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02:20 saracen Wombert: I miss you
02:20 Wombert saracen: how
02:21 saracen I haven't had a need to speak to you for awhile.
02:22 saracen Next time you play L4D, invite me :P
02:22 Wombert :D
02:24 saracen impl: Started my uni course. They've got me using Expression Blend to create an E-Portfolio. :(
02:24 impl you brought this upon yourself
02:25 saracen One of the screens includes marge simpson, where I have to write down what colours have been used (RGB), and add a badly posterized gif image.
02:26 saracen I have done, yes. But, good news is I'm not paying for it
02:28 Wombert that sounds like
02:28 Wombert uhm
02:28 Wombert well, not like uni anyway
02:28 Wombert maybe in the UK :p
02:29 saracen Ha
02:29 saracen Well, I'm doing two courses. That one is E-Media. The other is Foundations of Computing. The latter one seems like a better fit
02:29 saracen This E-Media one seems pretty pointless
02:29 saracen two modules*
02:31 saracen Plus, it's distance learning. So maybe thats why. Apparently the same stuff they give to real students though.
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09:11 _cheerios two days i've woken up as early as 7:45am to go to the gym before work. it's tough, but good so far :9
09:14 ttj So, up for some boxing yet?-)
09:14 _cheerios LOL. no.
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09:52 _cheerios whee. Google AppEngine updated, now can send >70kb POSTs :)
09:52 _cheerios (nasty bug in their Python libs)
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10:30 MikeSeth pokes the ghost of Wombert
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10:40 Yossi_B Huomenta
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11:37 Wombert so, graste :p
11:37 Wombert Plat_Forms w/ kaos|work ? :p
11:58 E_mE http://i.imgur.com/xj6hQ.jpg
12:06 _cheerios twitter recruiting video...
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12:36 PZ_ moin
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12:36 PZ_ Whats the best way to pass variables if I use createForwardContainer?
12:37 PZ_ argh. sorry ;)
12:38 PZ_ it's to early to work ;)
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14:52 graste no, thanks Wombert
14:52 graste I'm shy
14:58 graste but the topic would be nice
15:02 saracen Wombert: Creating a custom renderer... Is there anyway of telling whether or not, while in render(), if this is the last time it will be called?
15:02 saracen Not sure if that makes sense ;x
15:02 Wombert nah, how could it know
15:02 Wombert :(
15:03 Wombert you mean the last time for... a series of slots?
15:03 Wombert or what?
15:03 Wombert => impossible :p
15:03 Wombert I mean
15:03 Wombert mmh
15:03 Wombert don't you have the view in there`?
15:03 Wombert or the layer?
15:03 Wombert mmh
15:03 Wombert yeah forget it
15:03 Wombert :p
15:03 saracen But... :(
15:04 Wombert you could probably look at the view and then the layer and then figure out if there are any slots and if so if you're currently rendering them and if so if it's the last in the list or w/e
15:04 Wombert but it actually sounds like what you're doing is something stupid
15:04 Wombert :p
15:04 Wombert what are you doing? :p
15:04 saracen It's been awhile since I've touched this code, so I can't remember exactly how it works, but I had it working, but in a hacky way
15:04 saracen Basically, using Mustache...
15:05 saracen Rather than using it's partial support, I wanted to basically use agavi's slots. The idea being, that rather than a rendered template being saved, the variables that are used within that slot are saved
15:06 saracen So you end up with a large array at the end, where you have global variables, then variables per slot (along with the name of the template they're supposed to be used with)
15:06 saracen But at the very end, this needs to be json encoded
15:07 saracen But if you don't know you're at the very end, ever render() returns a json encoded string
15:07 saracen Which, in the next render, you can json decode :D.... which, very hacky.
15:08 saracen Unless I can use a filter to convert an array to json, hmm
15:08 saracen But there was another issue. Trying to remember what it was ;x
15:15 _cheerios a hackyr!
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15:25 saracen Not sure why I didn't consider using a filter previously :(
15:30 Wombert or a simple layer template that encodes all the slots inside?
15:30 Wombert and then a helper that creates that temp layer and adds all slots to it?
15:35 saracen What I have now works...
15:35 saracen http://pastie.org/private/qrssiivrfgmaush6ctbyw
15:36 saracen That's what the json returns. Then I have a mustache renderer in JS, which runs through the slots and builds the templates. It fetches the templates dynamically for now. But I suppose building all the templates in to one large file would be better
15:37 saracen ("tmpl":"aa6b5ded7ad947384779e0e59471ff0a" for example, is the template name it needs to fetch).
15:37 saracen My only issue now for client side rendering is FPF.
15:38 saracen It's fine when there's an error upon posting a form, because I can just have agavi return html
15:38 saracen But for populating forms in general... :(
15:38 saracen Wombert: Write a JS version of FPF please :D
15:56 _cheerios i need to do this for my survey-code (js-form-population). as like every other programming project, probably 5minutes, tops.
15:58 MikeSeth oooh Wombert
15:58 MikeSeth Wombert: I told you about the exception handling right?
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16:04 Wombert I think so yeah
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16:15 MikeSeth Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce SVN as git.
16:16 E_mE Hi, I'm Linus Torvalds - I'm arrogent, Problem?
16:19 Yossi_B I was at an interview at a very strange company yesterday, which core busniess is a couple of (real nice) jewlery systems and some other sites - for which they develop their on MVC framework and have a dev team of 17 people including a QA team.
16:19 Yossi_B pretty crazy
16:19 Yossi_B jewlery web-sites that is
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16:36 graste thinks about watching "snatch" again
16:36 graste ^^
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17:33 E_mE can you define action_filter.xml in a specific module and for a specific action only?
17:41 Wombert yes to the first half, no to the second
17:46 E_mE guess i could put a $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute('invoke-hyperlinks', true, 'com.moo'); then in my filter look for that attribute
17:46 E_mE correct Wombert ?
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17:48 _cheerios kaos|work: time for hetzner upgrade? 32GB server for 59e/mo
17:48 Wombert E_mE: I would set it on the execution container...
17:49 Wombert E_mE: and remember the action runs after the filter :p
17:49 E_mE ah okay
17:49 E_mE well, i go into the filter first, commence down the chain
17:49 Wombert (but you can use initialize())
17:49 E_mE then process on the way out ;)
17:49 Wombert ah, on the way out
17:49 Wombert yeah sure
17:49 Wombert that works
17:49 E_mE \o/
17:49 Wombert if you set it on the request, then any subsequent action run (e.g. a slot) would have that filter enabled too
17:50 Wombert so, container it is
17:50 Wombert avoid global state
17:53 E_mE i was going to remove the attribute again
17:53 E_mE but you're point is cleaner deffo
17:55 kaos|work _cheerios: i saw that ... i'd much rather use their 300e server with 15 3gb hdds :D
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18:38 jurica setting up trace is major pain in the ass, i hate it!
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19:28 PZ_ Is it possible to create an XSSFilter (ActionFilter), who is going through all attributes (set in view or action) of type string? Or is it a bad idea?
19:35 Wombert filters don't run between action and view
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20:13 PZ_ ok, i just override setAttribute and i must never be worried again about this topic. Sometimes i'm thinking too complex...
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20:52 yannick Anyone previously had issues with simple header('Location') redirects? I have a test setup where I have two subdomained sites with some sort of single sign-on which redirects from to the other...
20:52 yannick and the stupid thing only gabs the query string path of the location string
20:54 yannick meaning, instead of going to sso.foo.domain.com/login?service=provider.foo.domain.com it goes to itself: provider.foo.domain.com/login?service=provider.foo.domain.com
20:54 yannick which doesn't work of course
20:54 yannick is php header broken?
20:54 yannick when dealing with sub sub domains
20:59 yannick anyone?
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21:15 _cheerios no idea. i've programmed myself other problems.
21:23 _cheerios likely cause is wrong location url.
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09:17 _cheerios huomenta
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12:17 Jarda http://thexploit.com/sec/critical-php-remote-vulnerability-introduced-in-fix-for​-php-hashtable-collision-dos/
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12:29 _cheerios trouble in paradise!
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12:34 ttj Oh wow, it's Thursday already.
12:35 ttj TJ27.
12:36 Wombert :D
12:39 ttj Wombert: Oh right, won't be going to Dublin.
12:39 Wombert mh
12:39 Wombert did we want to go to Dublin?
12:39 ttj My local contact is in South Africa then or something.
12:39 Wombert cause someone else said that the other day too
12:40 ttj Well, I wanted Guinness.
12:40 Wombert and I just can't remember
12:40 Wombert well let's go to South Africa instead?
12:40 Wombert :p
12:40 ttj Nah.
12:40 Wombert it doesn't really matter where you are when you're drunk
12:40 ttj Don't want to fly too far.
12:40 Wombert yes, true
12:40 ttj Copenhagen?
12:40 Wombert uh
12:40 Wombert mh
12:40 Wombert dunno
12:40 ttj Hot chicks.
12:40 Wombert Stockholm?
12:40 Wombert maybe
12:41 ttj Stockholm could be doable.
12:41 Wombert both have hot chicks I guess
12:41 Jarda Turku!
12:41 Wombert you single again? :p
12:41 ttj No.
12:41 Wombert :p
12:41 ttj But one can always enjoy the scenery.
12:41 Wombert right
12:41 Wombert brb
12:41 ttj Jarda: Actually!
12:41 ttj What about Turku-Stockholm?-)
12:42 _cheerios when's agile day?
12:42 ttj It got postponed to later in the Spring, I think.
12:42 ttj So not in March. Was it in May?
12:42 _cheerios seems so, may15+
12:43 _cheerios have to say it's a beautiful day in finland
12:43 _cheerios cold, but beautiful.
12:43 ttj Yeah, it's quite nice. I enjoy seeing the people suffer from the cold.
12:43 _cheerios :p
12:45 Wombert cold here too
12:45 Wombert :S
12:46 ttj But you can always deal with cold by putting on more clothes.
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13:37 kaos|work wtf ruby wtf
13:39 kaos|work https://gist.github.com/745669 ... you can catch anything except NotImplementedError ... which only works if you catch it explictly (even up to 1.9.2, didn't test 1.9.3 tho)
13:50 _cheerios are you doing something with ruby, kaos?
13:57 kaos|work yes
14:02 Jarda ttj: a cruise?
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14:26 kaos|work omg ruby, you need to do rescue Object to make that work, since an empty rescue defaults to rescue StandardError ... wtf++
14:27 _cheerios 24,9C. HOT NERDS IN THE OFFICE!
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14:38 _cheerios i need a rubber duck
14:43 _cheerios Q: I'm fetching pages. I want to limit fetches per domain to one call per second. A single fetch-operation (spans multiple tasks) can do multiple sub-fetches within the fetch-operation. How do I not block an operation from being stalled, while enforcing limits, that does many sub-fetches against the same domain?
14:44 _cheerios (and this doesn't even take into account any backoffs when things break...)
14:51 kaos|work _cheerios: use redis to store lists of urls to fetch per domain and then trigger a new task to fetch the next url for that domain (just passing the domain name) after each fetch operation with a 1 sec delay
14:53 kaos|work and use some tool like beanstalkd (https://github.com/kr/beanstalkd) or celery (http://www.celeryproject.org) or delayed_job (https://github.com/tobi/delayed_job) to control your delayed tasks
14:54 kaos|work personally i had a good experience with beanstalkd, and most of the issues we had were fixed in recently released 1.5
15:02 _cheerios i use celery myself. this all runs in a loop; just getting it to work with limits nicely is a bit of a pain w/out introducing some locks (is previous task still running?) that can introduce so much complexity & bugs
15:07 kaos|work thats why you should just schedule a new task after the current fetch is completed
15:08 kaos|work and store the list of urls to process somewhere else
15:08 kaos|work that scheduled task will just pop the head of the list and process it
15:08 kaos|work and if it generates new urls it will just append to that list
15:10 _cheerios kaos|work: http://pastebin.com/WEjshAj7 to highlight the problem some more w/dependant tasks
15:11 _cheerios if i didn't have the dependant tasks it'd be just popping a list of urls, NP there
15:12 _cheerios well, going by your suggestion i'd alter the list of URLs as "priority tasks (sub operations)" get introduced. that would work.
15:13 kaos|work when are these dependencies created?
15:13 _cheerios eg. 1 2 3 4 becomes 1 11 22 33 44 2 3 4 going by pastie)
15:14 _cheerios each number is a delayed task, they subtasks currently block the task until the additional fetches are done
15:18 kaos|work yeah, but how does task 1 know it depends on task 11 etc?
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15:21 _cheerios they're blocking task1 completion
15:22 _cheerios doing this more piecemeal and gathering all the pieces together at a later time, instead of doing all at once, might become viable very soon
15:24 kaos|work so task 1 starts, does 'something' and by doing 'something' new dependencies are created?
15:24 _cheerios yep
15:25 kaos|work then you can either push the dependencies to the top of the url list (which would screw the order of your urls, which might be ok depending on what you'r actually doing there)
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15:26 kaos|work alternatively you can process the first dependency (assuming task 1 didn't request any url) and push the other dependencies at the end of list and then push task 1 at the end
15:27 kaos|work but that will fail as soon as any dependency creates a new dependency
15:28 kaos|work so you'd have to push your dependencies to the top of the list in any case
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15:43 _cheerios hairy, yes.
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15:44 kaos|work what are you doing anyways? building a serach engine? :P
15:45 _cheerios pretty much
15:45 _cheerios scraping the web
15:45 _cheerios educational project, code will be open sourced too.
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16:01 Yossi_B H+U+O+M+E+N+T+A
16:02 Yossi_B I was at a start-up company this morning, which developed the Facebook app Photomania http://apps.facebook.com/photomaniafx/?ref=ts
16:02 Yossi_B 3 guys...
16:02 Yossi_B now they have some funds invested in them, they want to hier a few more devs
16:04 Yossi_B I am not sure I am too omfortable with a start up
16:04 _cheerios it's good to be founder in startups
16:05 Wombert well
16:06 Wombert you'd be employee number four
16:06 Wombert which means mad bucks if you ever get sold
16:06 Wombert but a photo app inside facebook...
16:06 Yossi_B a bit shaky?
16:09 Wombert not sure how anyone would make money off that
16:09 Wombert seems super redundant
16:10 Wombert http://www.crunchbase.com/company/photomania
16:10 Wombert the question is if they will and can expand outside of facebook
16:10 Wombert seems they're basically rivaling instagram and/or path then
16:10 Wombert but could work of course
16:10 Wombert not sure what their USP is...
16:12 Yossi_B not sure they have a USP, they have a following...
16:12 Yossi_B over 2 million users...
16:13 saracen "PhotoMania enables its users to turn their digital memories within photos into exciting visual art without the need of any technical knowledge."
16:13 Yossi_B they are likely already making money
16:13 Wombert well
16:13 Wombert that's the same as Path then saracen
16:13 saracen USP seems to be 12-year old girls on facebook that want to make themselves look like they're in a fish tank?
16:13 Wombert or is it not
16:13 Wombert or is it like that?
16:14 Wombert with rockets and explosions and shit?
16:14 Wombert haha
16:14 saracen I don't know what Path is. But, Yeah, from that description, I'm thinking explosions, fish tanks, wavey mirrors.
16:14 Yossi_B I wonder how they did the effects, it must be somthing off the shelf,
16:15 saracen https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/296041_168539829897185_1000​02235076335_372889_1117582979_n.jpg
16:16 Yossi_B I love you too saracen
16:17 saracen it might just be mixture of any graphic library + imagemagick fun
16:18 Yossi_B any i've passed the first test their and the interview, the test had qustion ranging from the diffrence between == and ===, what is memcached, how would you steal a session, whats the difrence between persistent and non persistent XSS attack whats wtong with select * where id = $_POST['user_id]
16:19 Yossi_B wow spelling
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16:20 Yossi_B on Sunday I am going to these guys - http://www.somotoinc.com/ they make software monetization tools (whatever that is). I understand some guys from ZEND went there
16:22 saracen === checks for moar equalness. memcached is a server which caches the best memes on the internet in case they ever disappear. I WOULDNT DOWNLOAD A SESSION.
16:22 saracen I'd have passed.
16:23 Yossi_B MOAR equalness - That made me smile
16:32 Yossi_B on sunday I was at the company who made viber and iMesh among others
16:36 _cheerios wasn't the FB S-1 filing news today that more ppl are using the mobile version, less the web -- hence webapp ecosystem going down.
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16:42 Yossi_B when google went public I though they were overpriced at $100 per stock
16:42 Yossi_B silly me...
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15:51 _cheerios beers at kaisla tonight, django-meet
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20:04 PZ_ Hello
20:04 PZ_ Has anyone used Agavi with OAuth?
20:04 PZ_ If a user requested a concrete site, he must be redirected after login to it.
20:04 PZ_ But in OAuth 2.0 it's forbidden to make a http-redirect after a successful login.
20:04 PZ_ I could make a meta-redirect, but I think it's also forbidden, no matter what kind of redirect is used.
20:04 PZ_ So I must solve the problem on server-side. But how?
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15:11 simoncpu hi
15:12 simoncpu i know this isn't an agavi-related question but what's a good PHP forum out there?
15:14 Wombert eh
15:14 Wombert forum software?
15:14 Wombert or a forum where you talk about PHP
15:16 simoncpu a forum software hehehe
15:16 simoncpu i know this is #agavi, but most answers that i've gotten here were better than ##php
15:16 simoncpu i.e., I was introduced to MooTools because of Agavi hehe
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16:15 hzilla_ yo i got FPF error Detected an illegal character in input string even though i got ignore parse errors on. what up
17:52 Wombert dunno
17:52 Wombert pretty hard to say without knowing what the input is...
17:54 hzilla_ i think there's a some character in utf8 that doesn't fit into the euc-jp collation. i swiched on force_encoding to euc-jp and the notice is gone but i get the infamous ? - anyway no biggie
17:55 hzilla_ ?
17:55 hzilla_ nasty
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18:06 Wombert well
18:07 Wombert hzilla_: I don't really have a magic eight ball to figure that out without you giving more details..
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19:48 hzilla_ Wombert: don't worry about it mate
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21:59 MikeSeth Wombert: what would you say if I hacked on the error handling?
21:59 MikeSeth i was thinking a system error action and a logging mechanism to trace exceptions
22:09 Wombert MikeSeth: a system error action won't work
22:09 Wombert MikeSeth: it has to be a simple exception template
22:10 Wombert MikeSeth: what if the module the system action is in has a faulty autoload.xml? and that caused the exception in the first place?
22:10 Wombert the only reliable way to have exception output is by not having it a native Agavi thing
22:10 MikeSeth Wombert: then you could alays fall back, but when the exception is in the application code, and not frmo within Agavi itself, you ought to be able to trace it
22:11 MikeSeth Wombert: the problem I am trying to solve is that some parts of code that aren't well tested throw exceptions in production but not in development
22:11 MikeSeth this is mostly related to 3rd party libraries like swiftmail
22:11 MikeSeth but overall a very annoying problem to debug
22:11 Wombert mh
22:12 Wombert the default templates re-throw the exception if display_errors is off, you know that, right?
22:12 Wombert that way a backtrace ends up in your web server logs
22:12 MikeSeth apparently it doesn't
22:12 MikeSeth I run lighty in production, maybe that's the cause
22:14 Wombert or you have your own exception template in production :)
22:14 Wombert which doesn't have the line
22:15 Wombert http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/exception/templates/shiny.php first bit
22:16 MikeSeth yarr
22:16 MikeSeth can't have shiny in production
22:16 Wombert just copy the first bit
22:16 Wombert if(!ini_get('display_errors')) throw $e;
22:16 Wombert that's all you need
22:16 Wombert do that at the very end of your own template
22:17 Wombert http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/build/templates/defaults/app/temp​lates/exceptions/web-html.php.tmpl like there
22:17 Wombert the error page will show
22:17 Wombert and then the exception is thrown
22:17 Wombert but not displayed, as display_errors is off
22:17 Wombert so it shows up in your logs with a full backtrace
22:20 MikeSeth aha
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22:42 Wombert http://www.xmlmind.com/ditac/
22:42 Wombert oO
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09:42 Yossi_B going here wedensday: http://www.wix.com/
10:30 Yossi_B I think I found a use case for DI
10:31 Wombert if all you have is a hammer...
10:32 Yossi_B well, I have a system which schedules promotional email, it does a shit load of stuff in the middle - it works by having the execution steps as classes which recive the promotion instance and preform tasks on it (can issue bonuses, upload data, remove unsubs, etc).
10:33 Yossi_B you can schedule a promotion in advance have stuff done on it even after it is sent (logs, response tracking etc). it does it by serializing the promotion instance into the db
10:34 Yossi_B the problem is that sometimes I add features which breaks the already running promotions
10:34 Yossi_B I guess I could use DI to load and use the correct version of the promotion class...
10:38 Yossi_B it has an XML factory, which I guess I can also version using NS and xslt the way agavi does it
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23:14 JonathanPete has anyone tried integrating paypal with agavi? The mechamism relies on being able to send all post data back to paypal (in the order it came). Is there a way of accessing the raw post data in agavi?
23:21 JonathanPete i found the solution for anyone interested: file_get_contents('php://input')
23:29 Wombert that's not the solution
23:30 JonathanPete u got a better idea?
23:30 Wombert are you on 1.0.x or trunk, JonathanPete?
23:31 JonathanPete 1.0.x
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23:31 Wombert then it's $rd->getFile('post_file')->getContents()
23:31 Wombert (you have to validate that)
23:31 JonathanPete the prob is
23:32 Wombert (an isset validator is enough)
23:32 JonathanPete when u say validate, do you mean fill in validate xml file?
23:32 JonathanPete or validate that it works
23:35 Wombert set up a validator for that "file"
23:35 JonathanPete gotcha!
23:36 JonathanPete what don't you like about file_get_contents('php://input') ?
23:37 Wombert well, it accesses input directly :)
23:37 Wombert just a minor thing really
23:37 JonathanPete yea. my oriiginal thoughts were to use that solely for the purposes of sending paypal the databack
23:38 JonathanPete then doing a proper validator for all the fields i actually need
23:38 JonathanPete and accessing them in the standard way
23:38 JonathanPete using $rd->getParam
23:41 JonathanPete i've still yet to look at the performance stuff you showed me :) Writing this app for a charity in my spare time and there would rather have a slow performing app but which is more quickly launched than a fast app and waiting longer. figured i could look at optomisation once we have something out.
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00:02 Wombert yeah, do it that way around
00:02 Wombert premature optimization is the root of all evil
00:02 Wombert although of course four second page load times are bad
00:02 Wombert even for a charity
00:02 Wombert if that happens, your visitors close the browser
00:02 Wombert (not made up, it's proven fact)
00:03 JonathanPete i agree. but its a booking system so i guess users will be inclined to have to use it.
00:04 JonathanPete there's kind of a message on there
00:04 JonathanPete saying come back in a month if you want a faster version
00:04 JonathanPete they've had a lot of users pestering them to book
00:08 Wombert right
00:08 Wombert still, should be a relatively easy fix
00:09 Wombert some query is slow or w/e
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00:26 saracen Wombert: I just linked a soft-of-friend to your RESTful video. your impromptu jokes aren't that bad for a German.
00:26 Wombert :p
00:26 Wombert there is a newer one
00:26 Wombert although I think the site is down now
00:26 Wombert yeah :S
00:27 saracen have link anyway? I'll check it out later
00:29 saracen They really need to invest in better cameras at these php conferences
00:59 Wombert the site is down saracen
00:59 Wombert no moar videos
01:06 saracen oh :(
01:06 saracen I just replied to your friend on FB
01:07 saracen Not sure he'll understand my point though.
01:10 Wombert my friend?
01:10 Wombert Dave?
01:10 Wombert he's a hater
01:10 Wombert I usually just ignore his stupid trolling against Apple
01:11 Wombert he posts one of those auto correct fail things every week as proof of how much Apple sucks
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08:11 Jarda has someone written a AgaviRedisStorage?
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10:41 horros hmmh
10:42 horros why is territory and variant empty when I do $tm->getAvailableLocales() ?
10:42 horros also, how do I poke around with the data found in supplementalData.xml ?
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10:50 Jarda hmm..
10:50 Jarda what was the formats agavis datetime formatting uses
10:50 Jarda not php's date(), atleast..
10:51 Jarda trying to get agavidatetimevalidator to parse input from php's date('c')
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11:23 luke` anybody have any feedback on backbonejs vs emberjs?
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11:34 _cheerios i've tried backbonejs on a small project. i didn't quite manage to make my bjs code clean event-handling -wise, it was a bit hard to follow what happens when/where. maybe with more familiarity it'd get easier.
11:37 kaos|work Jarda: http://unicode.org/reports/tr35/#Date_Format_Patterns
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11:44 kaos|work horros: getAvailableLocales returns the info from the locales as defined in you translation.xml
11:46 kaos|work horros: so when you just specify 'de_DE' in your translation.xml only language and script will be set
11:46 kaos|work but if you say 'de_DE_territory_variant' the other fields will be set as well
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11:47 kaos|work horros: and supplementalData.xml is currently only used directly by the TransationManager, there are a few function to query some data of it, but not all
11:49 horros ah. hm. I sort of need the ISO 4217 currency codes and the full names of the currencies in the language of the current locale :|
11:53 Jarda kaos|work: halp, I have an input like "2004-02-12T15:19:21+00:00"
11:53 Jarda how to validate :(
11:53 kaos|work then you need to check the $locale->getCurrencies() methods and friends
11:53 Jarda <ae:parameter name="formats">yyyy-MM-dd HH:mm:ssZZZZZ</ae:parameter>
11:53 Jarda doesn't seem to work
11:53 kaos|work like getCurrencyDisplayName
11:54 horros kaos|work: Ahaa! I shall investigate further. Thanks.
11:54 kaos|work but that will most likely not return you every currency, since they are not fully defined for every language iirc
11:54 Jarda maybe I should just use MyOwnCustomDateTimeValidator
11:54 kaos|work but you need to check that, haven't done anything in that regard for some time
11:54 horros I don't need every currency, just the ones in the XML feed from the european central bank :)
11:54 Jarda that just accepts anything strtotime accepts :)
11:54 kaos|work Jarda: your format doesn't match ;)
11:54 horros http://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml
11:54 horros that one.
11:55 Jarda kaos|work: yeah, the 'T' part of the input?
11:55 kaos|work yeah
11:55 Jarda how to match?
11:57 kaos|work yyyy-MM-DD'T'HH:mm:ssZ
11:57 E_mE did anyone here *enjoy* watchning the superbowl last night?
11:57 kaos|work err
11:57 E_mE because I for sure don't understand it or find it least bit interesting :/ start - stop - replay - start - wait - stop blah lah vlhalhlaflal
11:57 kaos|work yyyy-MM-dd'T'HH:mm:ssZ of course
11:58 kaos|work that might still fail for the timezone part tho
11:58 Jarda yup it fails
11:59 kaos|work yeah, thats a bit problematic, since the cldr only defines rfc822 based timezone formats (which is +0800 not +08:00)
12:01 Jarda maybe custom validator should be the way to go..
12:01 kaos|work Jarda: wait, i just checked the code, that should work
12:01 kaos|work gimme a sec, i'll check that
12:03 Jarda note to self: set content-type when using with curl
12:04 Jarda now it's actually trying to parse the date, so I get Fatal error: Call to a member function getCurrentLocale() on a non-object in /Users/nnarhinen/Sites/........./src/libs/agavi/validator/AgaviDateTimeValidator​.class.php on line 103
12:06 Jarda kaos|work: thanks it's working
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12:07 Jarda had to set content-type and set use_translation=true AND clear cache
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13:46 Yossi_B Huomenta
13:54 Yossi_B TIL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem
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14:08 horros damnit
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14:19 horros curses timezones
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14:25 graste word
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14:37 horros how do I get at the list of timezones in translation/timezones/zonelist.php? Or is there some better way to get a list of time zone/location thingies?
14:37 horros $tm->getCurrentLocale()->getTimeZoneNames() doesn't really provide me with what I need.
14:37 horros also, how do I get the GMT/UTC offset?
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15:12 kaos|work horros: yeah, timezones are the living hell
15:12 kaos|work horros: what exactly do you need? just timezone names?
15:13 horros A list of them timezones so I can show them to users, and the GMT offset so they can make sure it's right.
15:13 horros the files under translation/timezones seem to have those nicely
15:13 horros eg. Europe/Helsinki
15:13 horros which is what I'd want to show
15:13 horros and seems to have the offset from GMT too
15:14 horros except I haven't the faintest how to get at them
15:15 horros and the only reference to them I can seem to find is in AgaviTranslationManager::createTimeZone()
15:15 horros not sure if that's what I want/need :|
15:16 kaos|work you'r close ;)
15:16 horros but I suppose I _could_ grab a list of the timezones, get their ID and iterate over the array of IDs and shove them at createTimeZone() and then try to figure out how the hell to sort them alphabetically.
15:16 kaos|work actually i'm not even sure right now you can get that list
15:16 kaos|work lemme see
15:18 horros hmm. do eg. countries in Africa that happen to use the same GMT offset as Central European Time use the name Central European Time or something else?
15:18 horros god damn timezones :X
15:19 kaos|work horros: actually, no
15:19 kaos|work the key thing is daylight savings time
15:19 kaos|work which can differ in on/off dates in every country
15:20 kaos|work (well, pretty much except europe which has the same dates for most countries)
15:20 kaos|work so GMT+8 is just a definition of current offset
15:22 kaos|work in the cldr there is a list of (translated) timezone names for each locale
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15:23 kaos|work because i don't think you would want to display every timezone from zonelist.php there
15:23 kaos|work (and the only way would currently be using createTimeZone for all of them)
15:23 kaos|work and that would be slow as hell ;)
15:25 horros mmh.
15:26 horros feck. not quite sure how I should solve this in a clever way.
15:26 Wombert you might want to just show the time zone name itself
15:26 Wombert Europe/Berlin is pretty universal
15:27 Wombert the time zone name itself is not translated in the CLDR
15:27 Wombert you can just fetch example cities
15:27 Wombert the translations map to something else
15:27 Wombert like
15:27 horros there didn't seem to be example cities for all the timezones listed in supplementalData.xml
15:27 Wombert America/Vancouver => Pacific Time (CA)
15:27 Wombert yeah there isn't
15:28 Wombert I think I'd just output the timezone names
15:28 horros also I don't want to show like EEST and EEDT if it's either daylight savings or standard
15:28 Wombert America/New_York and stuff
15:28 Wombert well and what does EEST mean anyway?
15:28 Wombert okay there is just one
15:28 Wombert but other abbreviations have several meanings
15:29 Wombert poor Canadians get their own time zone names :p
15:30 horros hmmh.
15:46 _cheerios finnish pres #1 story on reddit. shoveling snow. LOL.
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15:50 pelim @wombert: what is about the new authentication system in agavi, you told me last year its nearly ready ;-)
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17:55 PZ_ Hey
17:55 PZ_ That's curious:
17:55 PZ_ Call: gen(null, array('logintype' => null, 'code' => null, 'state' => null))
17:55 PZ_ Result: Empty string
17:55 PZ_ Call: gen(null, array())
17:55 PZ_ Result: /abc/xyz/?logintype=x&code=y&state=z
17:55 PZ_ Where is the path in the first example? Whats wrong? Is it a bug?
17:58 Jarda PZ_: you sure it's not a missing echo? :)
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18:06 PZ_ sure
18:06 PZ_ I will check it again :)
18:09 PZ_ No, it's really as I said
18:09 PZ_ The special thing is:
18:09 PZ_ <route pattern="" module="UserManagement" action="User.LoginFacebook">
18:09 PZ_ <callbacks>
18:09 PZ_ <callback class="routingCallbacks\LoginFacebook" />
18:09 PZ_ </callbacks>
18:09 PZ_ </route>
18:10 PZ_ That's required, because I must not make a redirect after successfull OAuth-Login.
18:11 PZ_ So every request could execute the User.LoginFacebook action.
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18:14 PZ_ Jarda: I never use echo, only var_dump. So I will see empty strings too ;)
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18:55 Jarda is the callbacks onMatched being called when using $ro->gen(null) ?
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19:02 PZ_ Yes, onMatched was called. The route is generated in the view.
19:03 PZ_ onMatched returns true
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19:20 Wombert wat
19:20 Wombert no
19:20 Wombert onMatched is not called
19:20 Wombert when generating a route
19:20 Wombert wtf
19:20 Wombert why would it be
19:22 Jarda yeah my bad onGenerate was i supposed tosay
19:23 Wombert PZ_: that behavior is intentional. your pattern is empty
19:23 Wombert PZ_: and since you gen null with different parameters, it constructs a new URL
19:23 Wombert from the pattern, with the new arguments
19:23 Wombert and since the pattern is empty and you give no arguments...
19:24 Wombert sorry
19:24 Wombert you do give arguments
19:24 Wombert but the URL itself is empty
19:24 Wombert it might be a bug that it does nothing at all in this case, but even if it did, you'd just get ?... without a prefix
19:24 Wombert I'm not sure why you do this stuff via the routing anyway
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19:33 PZ_ no, misunderstanding. onMatched isn't called, because a route was generated.
19:41 PZ_ The problem: User requested a special site. This ressource is secured. Now the user uses the facebook login. I send a callback url, for redirection by facebook after login or error. To login the user, I need an action for all routes.
19:43 PZ_ If user comes from facebook the url looks like example.com/whatever?state=xxx&code=xxx
19:48 Wombert wait
19:48 Wombert backtrack
19:49 Wombert describe the flow, step by step
19:52 PZ_ mom
19:55 PZ_ 1.) example.com/xyz/ - Secured. Login is shown.
19:55 PZ_ 2.) User clicks "Facebook-Login". Url: http://example.com/fblogin/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fexample.com%2Fxyz%2F
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19:55 PZ_ 3.) HTTP-Redirect to: https://www.facebook.com/dialog/oauth?client_id=xxx&redirect_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fex​ample.com%2Fxyz%2F?state=xxx&scope=a,b,c
19:56 PZ_ 4.) User interacts with facebook
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19:56 PZ_ 5.) Facebook redirect the user to: http://example.com/xyz/?state=xxx&scope=a,b,c
19:56 PZ_ xyz is a arbitrary (!) route!
19:58 PZ_ My pizza is ready to eat. Excuse me a moment.
19:59 PZ_ Sorry the urls aren't 100% correct in my examples.
20:05 Wombert okay
20:05 Wombert so
20:05 Wombert you could either do that in the request
20:05 Wombert or in user startup
20:06 Wombert (that really would be the much much better way)
20:06 Wombert or you just use a non-stopping route
20:06 Wombert <route pattern="" stop="false" callback="FacebookLoginCallback" />
20:06 Wombert and the callback authenticates
20:06 Wombert what happens if state or scope are invalid (for whatever reason)?
20:11 pelim hey i have a problem with the AgaviDateTime validator
20:11 pelim last week i ask you guys for a sample to validate date and time in separate input fields
20:12 pelim i configured the validator as following
20:12 pelim <validator class="datetime">
20:12 pelim <argument>date</argument>
20:12 pelim <argument>time</argument>
20:12 pelim <ae:parameters>
20:12 pelim <ae:parameter name="arguments_format">%s %s</ae:parameter>
20:12 pelim <ae:parameter name="format">dd.MM.YYYY hh:mm</ae:parameter>
20:12 pelim <ae:parameter name="export">startTs</ae:parameter>
20:12 pelim <ae:parameter name="cast_to">datetime</ae:parameter>
20:12 pelim </ae:parameters>
20:12 pelim </validator>
20:12 pelim any idea
20:13 PZ_ "or you just use a non-stopping route" <- Not possible, because I must handle errors.
20:16 PZ_ pelim: Your arguments must be like this: <argument name="AgaviDateDefinitions::DATE">starttime[Day]</argument>
20:18 PZ_ Wombert: "what happens if state or scope are invalid (for whatever reason)?" In this case the general login action is shown with the specific error output.
20:22 PZ_ pelim: http://pastie.org/3329354
20:23 pelim @PZ_ in your example each part of the date is in a separate input field
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20:29 PZ_ yes, and what do you mean?
20:30 PZ_ ah ok
20:30 PZ_ good luck ;)
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20:34 pelim PZ_: have two input fields one for the date and one for the time - maybe i have to write my own validator
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20:42 Wombert PZ_: you can return a response from onMatched()
20:43 Wombert (with a redirect)
20:44 pelim Wombert: do you have a solution for my datetime problem
20:45 Wombert I don't even know what the problem is, pelim
20:45 Jarda pelim: what's the actual problem?
20:46 Jarda and please, use a pastebin
20:46 Wombert yes
20:46 Jarda standard irc policy, no more than three lines pasted or smth..
20:48 Wombert pelim: <ae:parameter name="format">dd.MM.yyyy HH:mm</ae:parameter>
20:48 Wombert http://unicode.org/reports/tr35/#Date_Format_Patterns
20:49 Wombert YYYY is not always the calendar year, and hh is 12 hour format
20:51 PZ_ Wombert: Do you have an example for me? I thought i can only return a boolean.
20:52 Wombert http://trac.agavi.org/browser/trunk/src/routing/AgaviHttpRedirectRoutingCallbac​k.class.php?rev=4682
20:52 Wombert although you'll only want the last few lines as inspiration, PZ_
20:53 PZ_ thx
20:54 Wombert pelim: also, the formats parameter is "formats", not "format"
20:54 Wombert pelim: then it'll work fine (just tested it)
20:56 pelim @wombert changed the parameter name - but the validator don't work, just enters "23.02.2012" in the date input field and "13:00" in the time input field
20:56 Wombert yes
20:56 Wombert that works fine
20:57 Wombert object(DateTime)[748]
20:57 Wombert public 'date' => string '2012-02-23 13:00:00' (length=19)
20:57 Wombert public 'timezone_type' => int 3
20:57 Wombert public 'timezone' => string 'Europe/London' (length=13)
20:57 Wombert http://pastie.org/3329552
20:57 Wombert there
21:01 pelim @wombert: you are right it's working my fault
21:02 Wombert :>
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14:29 Yossi_B I need something which validates/calculates an arithmetic expression that I receive as a string... like "10*(5-2)"
14:30 Yossi_B should I just do a simple validation with regexp and then eval the string?
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14:36 Yossi_B I know I can do this with a stack... but ahhh
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15:36 Jarda hey: http://pastie.org/3334677
15:36 Jarda why is it calling both web.php and web-html.php
15:37 Jarda and where the hell is my actual error..
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16:33 Yossi_B Wombert: everywhere I go to interview I am telling people how great Agavi is
16:36 Yossi_B and when I went to a follow up interview with the photo mania guys the developer there actually remembered Agavi (i've said somthing like 'this is usally handled by the framework' and he said 'Agavi, right?')
16:36 Wombert :>
16:49 Jarda Wombert:
16:49 Jarda 16:36:36 < Jarda> hey: http://pastie.org/3334677
16:49 Jarda 16:36:52 < Jarda> why is it calling both web.php and web-html.php
16:49 Jarda 16:36:59 < Jarda> and where the hell is my actual error..
16:53 Wombert Jarda: display_errors off
16:53 Wombert exception is caught somewhere higher up
16:53 Wombert then thrown again by the template
16:55 Wombert ah, getInstance() fails, Jarda
16:56 Jarda hmm
16:56 Wombert Jarda: so initialize() catches an exception for some reason
16:56 Wombert displays it
16:56 Wombert and because the template throws the exception again
16:56 Wombert getInstance() shows it again
16:57 Wombert no idea why it renders web-html though
16:57 Wombert hmmhhmmmh
16:57 Wombert or do you init another context inside an action or something?
16:59 Jarda shouldn't be anything like that
17:00 Jarda and the stacktrace isn't helping me at the moment
17:00 Jarda don't even really know which action fails
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18:42 matbtt Huomenta!
18:43 matbtt The FPF can insert markup for styling error messages, but I don't find a way to wrap a forms fieldset tag. Is that possible?
18:44 Wombert matbtt: mh I don't quite understand
18:44 Wombert what do you mean by wrap a fieldset tag?
18:44 matbtt Hi Wombert.
18:46 matbtt I'm using Bootstrap from Twitter and would like to wrap my fieldset with a span using a specific class....
18:46 matbtt class = CSS class
18:47 matbtt <fieldset>...</fieldset> becomes <span class="xy"><fieldset>...</fieldset></span>
18:47 Wombert it can't do that
18:47 Wombert you can however add a class to the fieldset if you like
18:47 Wombert that's possible
18:48 matbtt that would help
18:50 Wombert okay
18:50 Wombert so
18:51 Wombert there is a parameter "error_class", defaults to "error"
18:51 Wombert that is actually just a shorthand for
18:51 Wombert <ae:parameter name="error_class_map">
18:51 Wombert <ae:parameter name="self::${htmlnsPrefix}*">error</ae:parameter>
18:52 matbtt Ah, nice.
18:52 Wombert it stops after the first rule found
18:52 Wombert so
18:52 Wombert what you need to do is add an expression that selects both the element and an ancestor fieldset
18:52 Wombert simple though:
18:52 Wombert <ae:parameter name="self::${htmlnsPrefix}* | ancestor::${htmlnsPrefix}fieldset">error</ae:parameter>
18:53 Wombert that should work
18:53 Wombert give that a try
18:55 Wombert <fieldset class=" error error error error error error error error error error">
18:55 Wombert :D
18:55 Wombert that'll still work tho :p
18:55 matbtt Thanks I'm just trying it out...
18:55 matbtt :D
18:56 Wombert works fine here, so... :)
18:56 Wombert (tested with the sample app)
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19:25 matbtt Wombert: Is there a reason why the FPF adds a whitespace before the CSS class name?
19:25 matbtt Line 440?
19:33 Wombert matbtt: because it only appends to the "class" attribute
19:33 Wombert matbtt: that's not a problem, it works either way
19:33 Wombert matbtt: the alternative would be to parse the attribute, but that's just slow and unnecessary
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23:05 matbtt_ Hi Wombert, thx a lot for the hint regarding error message styling. Works perfect!
23:05 Wombert matbtt_: awesome!
23:05 Wombert Agavi saving the day once again ;>
23:06 matbtt_ Yes
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09:19 Yossi_B HUOMENTA
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09:29 tlkshadow hello
09:29 Wombert yo
09:29 tlkshadow i have a error and i dont know it: No factory info for "security_filter
09:30 tlkshadow Has someone an idea?
09:30 Wombert uhm
09:30 Wombert <security_filter> missing from factories.xml?
09:31 tlkshadow but the action works the last 3 month
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09:34 Wombert tlkshadow: stuff does not magically stop working
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09:35 tlkshadow thats true
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09:38 Jarda Wombert: btw, Nokia Lumia 800 is awesome!
09:39 Wombert yup
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09:42 Jarda got one yesterday
09:42 Jarda well, it's not mine, but company got
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10:22 Yossi_B Huomenta
10:23 Yossi_B AgaviParameterHolder can be written as a trait in PHP5.4
10:24 Wombert no kidding
10:34 Jarda oh, the windows phone connector for mac actually works
10:34 Jarda microsoft hasn't have a decent track record on mac software until now..
10:37 _cheerios i tried to use the lumia a bit last night. it's a bit slippery in hand.
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12:13 Jarda http://niebezpiecznik.pl/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/yo-dawg-php.jpg
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13:42 Yossi_B Jarda: LOL :>
13:43 Yossi_B Can I post it to reddit?
13:43 Jarda not my picture
13:43 Jarda go ahead
13:49 Yossi_B submitted
13:50 Yossi_B (upload to imgur, don't wanna dos the blog)
13:50 E_mE ah fellow redditor ;)
14:07 Yossi_B it's a whole new world
14:07 Yossi_B http://joshosopher.tumblr.com/post/17295179484/php-5-4-traits-closures-and-proto​type-based
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14:16 E_mE looking forward to traits
14:17 Yossi_B I think it's less useful then what it appears - What will be the closures' context? If the function's $this isn't the objects scope then it's not that useful.
14:17 E_mE and array referencing
14:17 E_mE and instant object use :D
14:17 E_mE so long i wanted to do (new DateTime)->format('Y-m-d');
14:17 E_mE and $this->getArray()[20]; :D
14:18 E_mE feels more javascripty
14:18 Jarda E_mE: meh, you shouldn't do that dateime thing
14:19 Jarda date('Y-m-d')
14:19 E_mE what part of that is OOP?
14:19 Jarda but yeah, there are use cases for instant object usage
14:19 _cheerios honeybabysweettiedoll <3
14:19 Jarda E_mE: you use echo, that's not either OOP
14:19 Jarda you shouldn't force objects when they aren't useful..
14:20 E_mE Jarda, that is true, but i prefer to go towards OOP methodology over procedual
14:21 E_mE but I know what you're getting at
14:21 E_mE only place i use echo are in templates
14:21 Jarda and IMO echo date('Y-m-d') is way more clear to read than echo (new DateTime)->format('Y-m-d')
14:22 Jarda I don't really care about the performance hit of objects even though there is a penalty
14:24 E_mE Jarda: you said, personal preference :)]
14:24 E_mE *you said it
14:24 Jarda yeah
14:25 E_mE but im more excited about ->getArray()[20]; functionality
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14:27 Jarda me too
14:28 Yossi_B shameless whoring http://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/phpho/yo_dawg_php_539/
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08:32 Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi:: migration to GitHub underway :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.7 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
08:32 Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@adsl-69-110-14-145.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] [Fri Dec 30 21:02:51 2011]
08:32 Irssi: #agavi: Total of 30 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal]
08:32 Channel #agavi created Sun Nov 26 07:43:22 2006
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08:32 Home page for #agavi: http://agavi.org/
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09:54 _cheerios fridayfridayfriday
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10:27 Rozza oph yeah! _cheerios http://bit.ly/A7fOw9
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10:41 _cheerios seeing hunger games trailer i want to buy the book now
10:41 _cheerios i needed some kindle/amazon content already, all read out
10:41 _cheerios Rozza: :)
10:42 _cheerios cool stuff going on; Iron Sky -movie gets 1.5M views for its trailer before it's first film festival release.
10:42 _cheerios Tim Schafer gets $500k+ in 8hrs to fund an old-fashioned adventure game on kickstarter. Now at $1.2M w/month of donations to go...
10:43 _cheerios power of the crowd
10:43 horros hmm. I'm storing the locale that the user wants in the database. how should I go about setting the locale when the user logs in?
10:43 horros poke at translationmanager?
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10:53 _cheerios "The Hunger Games will be auto-delivered wirelessly to your Kindle via Amazon Whispernet. You can go to your Kindle to start reading"
10:53 _cheerios kindle at home, though, but something worth waiting for :p
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11:52 Jarda horros: have you looked at sample apps locale routing callback?
11:52 Jarda it has some examples on how to do it from a cookie
11:52 Jarda maybe you could use it as an inspiration?
11:53 horros got it working by poking at translation manager and setting the locale to $locale . '@currency=' . $currency
11:54 horros which is better than cookies, because I don't want it to revert to english if someone chooses another language and happens to clear the browser or whatever
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12:20 pelim im developing a a rest api for my application and i need to run the api module in a different context how can i configure this in agavi
12:21 Jarda make a custom api.php which bootsraps a differenct context
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15:58 _cheerios beerpizzaburgerswomenfriday
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16:01 Wombert ttj: happy birthday!
16:03 ttj Wombert: Thanks. How did you remember? :o
16:03 Wombert ttj: hehe
16:03 Wombert HOW COULD I NOT
16:03 Wombert ;)
16:04 ttj Hmm... Ze Germans must have created a modern version of Stasi and have started to amass a huge amount of data on everyone. :o
16:04 Wombert :D
16:04 Wombert want me to post on your facebook wall so others notice and the annoying post wave start?
16:05 Wombert *starts
16:05 ttj No. :(
16:05 Wombert :(
16:08 _cheerios *g*
16:09 ttj And while on the topic of ze Germans, I hope everyone has seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py_IndUbcxc
16:10 _cheerios ttj: hb! you probabl are not around autotalo to get your free beer?
16:11 ttj No, unfortunately. Spending the evening with upper war command.
16:15 _cheerios Same here. Well, I'll make up for it when you become a free man in a few weeks.
16:15 _cheerios Cheers
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16:23 Wombert will we be going to Vegas to celebrate, ttj?
16:25 ttj Wombert: How about Riga?
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16:28 Wombert ttj: pssh
16:29 ttj Ok. Leningrad.
16:29 ttj Las Vegas of the Soviet Union.
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23:38 pelim can somebody help me with my .htaccss configuration need the following rewrite rules / -> index.php & /api -> api.php
23:39 pelim this is my actual config but it doesn't work http://pastie.org/private/vwbzvqjwgflmolcvraqwvq
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02:17 Wombert_ pelim: uh why not just create a folder api/ and put an index.php in it? :p
02:17 Wombert_ you need to use a RewriteCond otherwise
02:19 Wombert_ also, this is the currently recommended set of rewrite rules
02:19 Wombert_ http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.7/src/build/templates/pub/dot.htaccess.tm​pl
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02:37 pelim womert_: with the new folder it is working - but is not my fav soloution
03:14 pelim is it possible to redirect from a action to a default view
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08:08 pelim_ $json = $rd->getFile('post_file')->getContents(); only returns null in a custom AgaviWebRequest
08:10 pelim_ $rd->files['post_file']->contents is set
08:22 pelim_ it seems that the braces of the if condition in line 412 is wrong
08:31 pelim_ http://pastie.org/private/wifrlv1f8m55x1ps4vjurw
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17:53 hzilla hey getting this *intermittent* error when running flow tests... how can i fix this? HP Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'PDOException' with message 'You cannot serialize or unserialize PDO instances'
17:54 hzilla using doctrine2
17:54 hzilla although no db calls
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20:08 Jarda hzilla: you need to set process isolation off
20:09 Jarda when you run your stuff in process isolation, it seems agavi's context or smth gets serialized
20:09 Jarda and agavi keeps pdo somewhere
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10:37 Yossi_B HUOMETNA
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13:37 everplays Germans, can you please guide me to some where that i be able to download tv program for kids (cartoon is preferred :P)? (for improving german skills)
13:45 Jarda everything in germany is dubbed to german
13:45 Jarda it was somehow disturbing to watch for instance "Blue Brothers" dupped in german..
13:46 Jarda the #1 thing I hated in germany while spending one summer there, was the dubbed television
13:46 graste :>
13:49 graste everplays: perhaps http://www.toggo.de/ or some other VOD pages of german tv channels - google "mediathek" and some channels like ARD, ZDF, ARTE etc.
13:49 graste also check austrian VOD sites: http://tvthek.orf.at/programs/genre/Kinder
13:49 graste not sure though :-)
13:49 graste about the "cartoon" part I mean
13:49 graste :>
13:51 everplays thanks :)
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14:04 everplays graste, any suggestion for music?
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09:34 horros Hmm. I need to convert currencies that are displayed to the user. I wrote a config handler that handles grabbing the current coversion rates from the european central bank.
09:35 horros now... would it be advicable to extend AgaviTranslationManager to make ->_c() convert the currencies as well as display them?
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09:51 Yossi_B horros - I've just made a dwoo plugin for that kind of thing.
09:53 Yossi_B altough I just needed it in the templates...
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10:04 horros Yossi_B: I also need it just for templates.
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10:24 Yossi_B extending the translation manager adding a new method to do the conversion and the return the string and then writing a one line dwoo plugin to call it in the templates sounds like the best solution
10:25 horros mm, I think I'ma override $tm->_c()
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11:42 Jarda Wombert: you wanna have couchdb (using PHPCouch) session storage in core agavi or should I add it to PHPCouch?
11:43 Wombert in phpcouch please
11:43 Jarda yeah, have to write one first :)
11:43 Jarda but I need one
11:43 Jarda :)
11:43 horros grumbles @ timezones
11:43 Jarda horros: I had to handle timezones client-side in javasccript last week
11:43 Jarda finally found a decent library for them: XDate
11:44 Jarda or datetime handling overall
11:44 horros I'm still not sure how I should solve this timezone-choosing stuff
11:44 Jarda I just copypasted the routing callback from agavi sample app
11:44 Jarda to one of my projects
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12:01 fzerorubigd Is there any way to get slots in action? I want to register them dynamicly and then get them inside action, is there any way?
12:01 horros eh?
12:02 fzerorubigd I want to get slot data inside action function
12:02 Jarda seems someone is doing view stuff in action..
12:02 Jarda slot data wtf?
12:03 fzerorubigd no, I want to send many type of email , and I want to use another module with simple action to generate body
12:04 Jarda create a new execution container
12:04 Jarda slots are purely view-related afaik
12:04 fzerorubigd slots are enaugh for me,
12:05 uhwo_ err
12:05 uhwo_ how about using a model to send the emails?
12:05 Jarda you're doing it wrong
12:06 Jarda wait I'll find how we do it
12:06 Jarda uhwo_: it actually is kinda cool to use agavi rendering for html emails etc
12:06 fzerorubigd uhwo_: model is used in fact, but I want to generate email body with new module and its action
12:07 ttj Wombert: Morgan Eva GT.
12:07 uhwo_ Jarda: Ah, treu
12:07 uhwo_ true even
12:07 fzerorubigd I just want to genereate a (i.e) register confirmation mail body in module mail action regconfirm
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12:08 ttj It's such a pretty car that even Wombert dropped off his chair and knocked the network cable out of his computer. <3
12:08 Jarda I can't find it atm..
12:08 fzerorubigd for now I can access slots inside view, but in fact I want to send function called inside action not inside view
12:09 Jarda but well you should just create an execution container for the action, run it and fetch output
12:10 fzerorubigd Jarda: ok, i try that
12:10 Jarda I'm pretty sure we have done it, v-dogg_ maybe remembers better..
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12:28 pelim how can i create a agavi ticket ?
12:50 fzerorubigd Jarda: thanks, its done.
12:51 horros pelim: I think the ticket tracker is read-only atm because everything is being moved to github and I don't think it's quite done yet
12:51 horros but you can probably shoot off an email to the -dev mailing list
13:40 MikeSeth so
13:40 MikeSeth tired
13:41 MikeSeth Jarda: is it a good idea to store sessions in couchdb?
13:41 Jarda MikeSeth: why wouldn't it be?
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13:41 MikeSeth I dunno, seems counterintuitive
13:43 Yossi_B I think what mikeseth is asking is - what are the benfits of using couchdb to store the PHP session vs the default PHP session impl and any other exsisting impl (other db, memcached etc)
13:43 Jarda I need to access sessions from multiple locations, not only php
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13:44 Jarda think "Spotify", where it is allowed to listen to music on only one client at the time per one user
13:44 Jarda I have a couchdb backend that is accessed from multiple clients
13:44 Jarda (and replicated etc)
13:44 Jarda so I thought it would make sense to store the session there also
13:44 Yossi_B ah, now it makes sense
13:45 MikeSeth er uhm
13:45 MikeSeth memcached?
13:45 MikeSeth though replication would surely be nice
13:46 Jarda MikeSeth: the dbs might be replicated to local devices (desktops, local servers, mobile devices) and the mechanism has to work also when connection to outside world is lost
13:47 Jarda of course I could just ignore session checks when access to memcached would be lost, but..
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16:57 E_mE can anyone recommend a better RSS Reader library then Zend_Feed_Reader?
16:57 E_mE which is also PHP5+
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09:59 Yossi_B Does anyone understand options? I was offered an options plan, what do I need to ask about it?
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10:04 Wombert Yossi_B: well, the most important thing is how many options there are overall :p
10:04 Wombert or else you have no idea what the percentage is you get, basically
10:05 Wombert also, when do they vest of course
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10:13 Wombert I'd try and find an article someone posted on twitter about this (didn't read it) but I'm in China, Twitter is blocked, and the Internets here are slow that IRC is basically the only thing that works at all
10:13 Yossi_B Wombert: thanks, what do you mean by when to they vest? expire?
10:14 Wombert vesting means when the options become active
10:14 Yossi_B why are you in china btw?
10:15 Wombert usually, you get options, but you can only convert them to stock after two years or something
10:15 Wombert (and you have to stay with the company for the whole to years)
10:16 Yossi_B ah... if I don't stay with the company then the options are meaningless?
10:18 Yossi_B I understand that this can also have implications on tax, that after sometime the profits from the stock are taxed lower
10:20 Wombert I have no idea what the tax situation is like in .il
10:21 E_mE Wombert: are you in China?
10:21 E_mE if so, whats it like .. .I've have plans to visit China next year
10:21 Yossi_B Me neither
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14:15 fzerorubigd hi, i get this error : Fatal error: Configuration file "/var/www/html/app/config/autoload.xml" does not have a registered handler in /var/www/html/libs/agavi/core/Agavi.class.php on line 63
14:16 fzerorubigd This code work on old server but on this new server i get this error, any one can help?
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15:18 _cheerios nice snowstorm
15:18 _cheerios anyone using statsd?
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15:38 kaos|work _cheerios: me
15:39 kaos|work but the python server
15:39 kaos|work not the nodejs one
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15:47 _cheerios i'm trying to configure the thing, but i can't get anything logged
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15:50 _cheerios something wrong with my graphene setup, it doesn't receive anything, except that carbon is up
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15:54 kaos|work afair it should just work out of the box if carbon is running
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15:57 kaos|work _cheerios: you can run the statsd with -v or -d (i can't remember) which should enable logging in stdout
15:57 _cheerios ok. seems up now. i got ports mixed up due the (imo) shit instructions
15:58 kaos|work you can try https://github.com/sivy/py-statsd tho
15:58 kaos|work didn't get updated for some time, but that worked pretty well too
15:59 ttj _cheerios: Haha, you'll never guess what.
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15:59 ttj Alongside the beer you promised for me, Kaarle XII also sent a card saying "Hey, it's your birthday, we want to buy you a drink." :P
15:59 ttj I think we took the Kalle-challenge a bit too far last year. :P
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16:00 kaos|work _cheerios: actually we had the python version running in production with quite some traffic and worked perfectly
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16:04 _cheerios kaos|work: confusing part was that talk of "graphite server" doesn't mean the web part, it means carbon
16:04 _cheerios ttj: it's good to be remembered :)
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16:07 ttj I don't know if it's good to be remembered on your birthday by a local bar. :P
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23:10 matbtt_ Huomenta.
23:12 matbtt_ The routing can populate parameters from matched route. All examples have parameters like id, name or product_id. But is it possible to have product[id] populated?
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12:31 Wombert _cheerios: where?
12:31 _cheerios YouPorn posted they're using now, 300k req/s
12:32 Wombert didn't youporn relaunch using symfony2?
12:32 Jarda- yeah
12:32 _cheerios https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/redis-db/d4QcWV0p-YM
12:34 _cheerios i wonder if i can muster energy to try tornado/gevent quickly for a project... for riiiiil good time
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17:00 simoncpu I miss Agavi
17:00 simoncpu I miss your method-aware routing
17:00 simoncpu and request-aware routing
17:00 simoncpu where you can differentiate between JSON, HTML, and XML output
17:00 simoncpu blah blah blah
17:00 simoncpu I miss Agavi
17:00 simoncpu goes back to Kohana hehehehe
17:01 simoncpu (otoh, I don't have to deal with XML stuff in Kohana hehehehehehehehe)
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17:53 graste :-)
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08:06 Wombert ttj: it'll probably break down after a few kilometers
08:06 Wombert (the Eva GT)
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09:23 horros hey Wombert
09:24 horros got two minutes or so?
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10:17 ttj Wombert: So? (the Eva GT)
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11:21 Wombert horros: sure
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11:23 horros Wombert: humm, I'm still not quite sure how to solve this "let the user pick his/her timezone"-thing :|
11:23 horros having the user have to remember to go change from DST to normal time by hand in their settings is... retarded.
11:24 horros but there are, what, some 400 variations in timezone-things, yes?
11:25 horros so showing them a list of all of them is also rather idiotic
11:25 horros plus I can't find any method of actually getting a list of the timezones in Agavi
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11:50 Wombert do you know their country, horros?
11:50 Wombert I'd use http://php.net/manual/en/datetimezone.listidentifiers.php
11:52 _cheerios Wombert: you've used hadoop; what kind of jobs have you found it useful for in projects?
11:53 Wombert uh
11:53 Wombert that's a bit of a broad question, _cheerios :p
11:53 Wombert what's the problem you're trying to solve?
11:54 _cheerios this time i was wondering how to approach filtering incoming data for keywords
11:54 _cheerios keywords would grow towards infinity, while incoming data amounts would also grow.
11:56 _cheerios the job is easily split into pieces, made me wonder if hadoop would be a contender
11:57 Wombert that depends on whether or not you find a considerable delay acceptable
11:58 Wombert Hadoop is only useful for batch processing in regular intervals, you can't do anything quick with it
11:58 Wombert for several reasons
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11:58 Wombert e.g. there is quite a bit of overhead in the mapred engine, tasks just take some time
11:59 Wombert also, you absolutely must have big amounts of data for processing or performance will be poor; 64 MB is the default block size
11:59 Wombert so you'd have to collect incoming data for a few minutes and then write it to HDFS
11:59 Wombert if that's fine, then it might make sense
12:00 Wombert you typically compute indexes that you write somewhere (*SQL, HBase) for quick querying
12:00 Wombert like scores in a trust graph or w/e
12:00 Wombert if the job is splittable into steps, then that's great
12:00 Wombert provided that you don't end up with coordination issues or anything else that'd create a bottleneck
12:01 Wombert if the job is splittable into steps where you can later reuse results from earlier steps, then that's even better
12:01 Wombert cause then you can really scale the shit out of that thing
12:02 Wombert always make sure that whatever you're doing is parallelizable, since ultimately, you want horizontal scalability
12:02 Wombert then you'll just add storage/computing capacity and boom
12:02 Wombert mind you that running a hadoop cluster is not too hard, but you need your own hardware for *everything*
12:03 Wombert you won't get good results running the shizzle on hetzner
12:03 Wombert you need fast links between machines and you need to know what box is in what rack
12:03 Wombert then hadoop can heavily optimize jobs to ensure data locality
12:03 Wombert the last thing you want in mapred is a box that has to fetch data over the network
12:03 Wombert (hence the distributed file system with redundant storage)
12:04 Wombert (but that's actually infrastructure aware, so it can distribute the data within and across racks to maximize performance *and* durability)
12:04 Wombert also, the namenode still is the SPOF, although the next iteration of hadoop will have namenode HA
12:05 Wombert (that's already in the Cloudera CDH4 beta; absolutely use that distribution instead of vanilla Hadoop)
12:05 Wombert hope that helps, _cheerios :)
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12:07 _cheerios heh. you've done your homework.
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12:45 horros Wombert: Sorry, mum and dad came for a quick visit. Humm, yes, that could work... Have them choose their country and give them that list to choose from...
12:45 Wombert it's usually a small list, so... simple :)
12:45 Wombert AFAIK there is one zone at least per country
12:45 Wombert and in cases where there is just one zone, you can auto select it
12:46 Wombert you can also query by continent if you prefer that
12:46 Wombert and optionally order them by offset (you have to query those though)
12:46 horros Yeah, that might work.. I'll have to play around with it a bit.
12:46 Wombert mind you it's ISO23xx codes or w/e, not the normal ones
12:46 Wombert so it's "GB", not "UK"
12:46 Wombert and you need uppercase
12:47 horros I'm assuming TranslationManager::setDefaultTimezone() takes them Europe/Helsinki -style timezones?
12:47 horros is that even what I should use?
12:48 Wombert uh, not sure
12:48 Wombert try it :)
12:49 Wombert you could also use "@timezone=Europe/Helsinki" as the locale when formatting dates
12:49 Wombert (that exact string)
12:49 Wombert but I suppose that's less convenient
12:51 horros yeah, I'd rather set the timezone when they log in and be done with it :P
12:52 horros so if we store all dates in the db as UTC-times, all I should need to do is set the timezone and use TranslationManager:_d() and it should show up as the correct date and time?
12:55 Wombert not necessarily
12:55 Wombert http://derickrethans.nl/storing-date-time-in-database.html
12:55 horros oh cock.
12:56 Wombert well, that may or may not apply to your situation
12:56 Wombert :)
12:56 Wombert if you do not store future timestamps then you should be fine
12:57 Wombert or if all you care about is Europe, since we don't have erratic dictators who change DST rules with three days notice
13:00 horros Nope. I _do_ need to store future timestamps and I _do_ need to take into account douchebags like the Brazilians.
13:00 horros :P
13:00 Wombert well, enjoy that then
13:00 Wombert :>>
13:01 horros I fucking _HATE_ date calculation stuff :<
13:02 horros "Oh btw, TOMORROW we'll switch to DST! LOL!"
13:02 horros :XXXXXXXXXXXXX
13:02 krycek_ horros, hey, I'm here, be polite ;p
13:04 horros Sorry, no offence :P
13:04 horros timezones are weird beasts
13:05 Wombert you say that now
13:05 Wombert wait until you hear about 30 or 45 minute offsets
13:05 Wombert or the different time zones in Indiana
13:05 Wombert :p
13:05 horros then there's shit like china. uses the same timezone for the whole country, and the difference between when the sun is at it's highest point in the sky in the east and in the west is three hours
13:06 horros :P
13:06 horros Wombert: yes :<
13:06 Wombert yup
13:06 Wombert I applaud that
13:06 Wombert clever commies
13:06 horros in effect part of the country does like nine to five, and part of the country twelve to eight -days :P
13:07 horros this is the kind of stuff that can really do your head in if you spend too long thinking about it
13:09 horros Wombert: doesn't tibet or somesuch also use 45 minute offsets?
13:09 Wombert yes
13:09 Wombert it's Nepal I think
13:09 horros also them small islands were rather amusing that decided "oh btw, we'll go from UTC-11 to UTC+14, so we'll just skip December 31st LOL!"
13:09 Wombert http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepal_Time
13:09 Wombert :>
13:10 Wombert there was also another really fucked up time zone at one point
13:10 Wombert where they used the *exact* offset from UTC
13:10 horros bahaha
13:10 horros so like, "we're UTC+4:37"
13:11 Wombert http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombay_time_(time_zone)
13:11 Wombert and Nepal time used to be UTC+5:41:16
13:11 Wombert http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC%2B05:40
13:11 horros lol
13:13 Wombert shit is fucked up I'm telling you
13:13 horros oh don't I know.
13:14 Wombert if I was ze dictator of this planet, I'd force everyone to speak English, use the fucking metric system, no time zones, shoot anyone who ever thought DST was a good idea, and don't you dare use different date, time or number formats
13:14 v-dogg this is the kinda stuff that only german engineers should decide!
13:14 v-dogg haha, there! :D
13:15 horros haha
13:15 Wombert but then, maybe I'm not the right guy for that job, I've done too much work on i18n and I'd probably want my revenge
13:15 v-dogg bitter old i18n'er
13:15 horros Wombert: My situation at the moment is "i18n ahead, FULL RAMMING SPEED!"
13:16 ttj Wombert: English? Not German?
13:16 horros I swear I'll lose the little hair I have before I'm done with this.
13:17 Wombert nah German is too complicated
13:17 Wombert although English is pretty fucked up too
13:17 Wombert in some regards more than German
13:17 Wombert maybe we should pick Finnish
13:17 Wombert it is funny and it follows the alphabetic principle
13:17 Wombert (at least I think so)
13:17 ttj But with German you get the benefit of being able to spit at people while you speak because it's natural.
13:17 Wombert does it?
13:18 Wombert everything in Finnish is pronounced as you write it, right?
13:18 Wombert and vice versa?
13:18 ttj More or less.
13:18 horros Or some other language like, I dunno, Esperanto :P
13:18 Wombert no shit like "lead" (the metal) vs "lead" (to be in the...)
13:18 Wombert so when you hear a word, you can easily figure out how it's written
13:18 Wombert Spanish is the same
13:19 horros yeah, things are pronounced like they're written and written how they're pronounced.
13:20 uhwo_ Unless it's saturday night
13:20 Wombert we could pick Polish too
13:20 Wombert http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabetic_principle
13:20 uhwo_ then it might differ a bit
13:20 Wombert then we all sound like typewriters eating tinfoils falling down a flight of stairs
13:20 Wombert :>>>>>
13:21 horros :D
13:21 ttj Actually Finns have a redundant solution for the speaking/writing thingy.
13:22 ttj Firstly you just never speak to anyone.
13:22 ttj Send an SMS or an email.
13:22 ttj But if that fails, there is always the failsafe of having a language which works.
13:23 horros with about fifteen billion different suffixes :P
13:23 Wombert drinking beer, then punching people?
13:23 Wombert ah man I have to visit Finland again <3
13:24 ttj Wombert: If you do, we have to go to mökki.
13:24 Wombert what is m?kki?
13:24 _cheerios instant headache if trying to think of smart word filtering, beyond 1:1 match.
13:24 horros summer house
13:24 _cheerios cabin
13:25 Wombert and do what there?
13:25 horros d'uh
13:25 horros :P
13:25 ttj Mökki is entirely isolated from the rest of the world. You take lots of sausages and even more beer with you.
13:25 Wombert a sausage fest then
13:25 ttj Then you heat up the sauna, drink beer and then have a competition to see you drowns in the lake.
13:25 Wombert I'll... think about it :p
13:25 Wombert oh that sounds like fun
13:25 ttj Those who lose get a sausage.
13:25 ttj Those who win get a funeral if anyone can be bothered to fetch them from the lake.
13:26 horros also there may be mysterious puddles of vomit on the lawn that nobody takes responsibility for.
13:26 ttj Then after about 4-5 days or when alcohol runs out you drive back to the city and hope the police don't stop you.
13:26 uhwo_ Haha
13:27 ttj But yeah, as a concept it's brilliant. There is nothing to do at mökki since there is no electricity or anything else. So you just have to drink and eat and swim.
13:27 horros mine and uhwo's last m?kki-trip was rather amusing when we ran amok with the smoker and started smoking about every edible thing we could find
13:28 uhwo_ Smoked sausages \o/
13:28 horros the last pieces of smoked sausage weren't a huge success
13:28 horros but the smoked pike was rather good!
13:28 ttj Oh right. Then there's also the bit about creating a nuotio. Which turns into a kokko. Which then causes local firefighters to join your party.
13:28 uhwo_ no electricity is great
13:28 horros also carefully crafting j?tk?nkyntti?.
13:29 horros which never catch fire properly
13:29 ttj And because you're from Helsinki all the local people will hate you.
13:29 horros so you end up pouring liters and liters of petrol on the bastards
13:29 uhwo_ I really want some more equipment to the mökki
13:29 uhwo_ some old moped and a shotgun come to mind
13:30 horros tractor + shotgun!
13:30 uhwo_ tractor is a bit big :(
13:30 uhwo_ otherwise, that'd be awesome
13:30 horros pfffffft
13:31 ttj Because I'm a pussy I have to be somewhat skeptical of the shotgun. I prefer the idea of air rifles, which are safe enough that you can play poor man's paintball with them.
13:33 ttj But yeah, what say you, Wombert?
13:33 uhwo_ air rifles are cool also
13:34 horros except when you get that piece of skin between your thumb and your index finger pinched when you're loading it
13:34 uhwo_ Hah
13:34 Wombert shotguns?
13:34 Wombert I'm in.
13:35 uhwo_ :D
13:36 ttj So mökki it is.
13:37 Wombert I guess
13:37 Wombert depends on timing really
13:37 Wombert why the fuck is TAD on tues/wed
13:37 Wombert oh wait it's always been that way hasn't it
13:38 ttj Does it matter?
13:39 horros I think it's been wed/thu?
13:40 Wombert ttj: well it affects the timing of when we get drunk
13:40 Wombert or where, rather
13:40 Wombert Turku certainly
13:40 ttj Wombert: Every night and everywhere?
13:40 Wombert also Helsinki is a must again
13:40 ttj Wombert: Kalle on Thursday?-)
13:40 Wombert with sauna and bars and then Kalle
13:41 Wombert fuck yes
13:41 Wombert maybe you could start the fight *inside* this time
13:42 ttj Nah. It's Simo's turn this time.
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15:23 _cheerios huh. just a moment ago the skies were clear, now it's a snowstorm again.
15:23 _cheerios the weather is trolling me
15:41 _cheerios redis <3
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16:14 DracoBlue hai, is agavi on github already?
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16:38 DracoBlue :-D
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18:05 Wombert DracoBlue1: no
18:05 Wombert just the docs
18:06 Wombert we've run into problems and have not heard from GitHub support ye
18:06 Wombert t
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19:37 saracen Wombert: Your video about REST...
19:38 saracen Actually, need to sort dinner
19:38 saracen Hopefully you'll be about later :)
19:38 saracen bai!
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21:18 saracen Wombert: So yeah... REST. I remember you mentioning something about using a mime-type specific to your applications xml, such as application/whatever+xml. Is that correct?
21:27 Wombert application/vnd.com.asdasdsadasdas.asdasdasd+xml, yes
21:27 Wombert application/xml has no semantics
21:29 saracen Okay
21:29 Wombert if you link to some resource
21:30 Wombert and that's application/xml
21:30 Wombert then how would an app figure out how to handle it?
21:30 Wombert or if it can handle it?
21:30 saracen Is it ok to support both though, because, my issue at the moment is that, if I navigate to the resource with a web browser, it'll force-download it, rather than render. And as a tool to learn an API, I think the browser is sort of important
21:30 Wombert hence no application/json or w/e
21:30 Wombert I wouldn't
21:30 Wombert sounds like an issue with whatever retarded browser you're using :p
21:31 Wombert just look for "Mozilla" in the user agent string and send a different content type?
21:31 saracen Chrome, although I can't imagine it being different eith others.
21:31 saracen Well, I can send a different content-type based upon their Accepts header
21:31 saracen so if it can accept application/xml, is it ok to support it?
21:31 Wombert then people will send application/xml and shit will hit the fan later
21:31 Wombert do not do it
21:31 saracen :(
21:32 Wombert what's the problem?
21:32 Wombert sniff the UA
21:32 saracen But...
21:32 saracen So, you're saying, detect if it's a browser, then send application/xml. Otherwise, force it to use my content-type?
21:34 Wombert yeah that's what I'd do
21:35 saracen I don't like that. :P
21:36 Wombert why?
21:44 saracen Well, because it just seems wrong. application/xml is just completely generic anyway, to the point where to me, it only seems like the real use it activating an xml render engine. People abuse it, I get that.
21:45 saracen but if you're sending it anyway to browsers, to me it just makes more sense to send it to any client that wants to view it in its pointless form.
21:51 saracen no? :(
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22:15 saracen Ok, nevermind. Doing it your way, I see zee flaws
22:21 saracen Wombert:
22:21 saracen context.Response.Headers["Content-Type"] = "application/xml";
22:21 saracen context.Response.Headers["Content-Comment"] = "Browser detected, switched to application/xml. Your RESTful client MUST accept application/vnd.ami.data+xml OR application/vnd.ami.data+json";
22:21 saracen This an okay solution? Or abuse of headers?
22:24 Wombert abuse
22:24 Wombert at least make it X-Content-Comment
22:25 Wombert seems pointless tho to send this at all
22:32 saracen "On October 24, 2011, an IETF draft was posted to deprecate the use of the "X-" prefix for non-standard headers."
22:32 saracen But yeah, on second thoughts, I won't send it anyway
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19:50 Wombert sth: you going to PHPUK next week?
20:05 Jarda- Wombert: have you looked at silex?
20:07 Jarda- seems it makes using simple web appas very simple
20:08 Jarda- almost like nodejs
20:08 Jarda- https://github.com/willdurand/Propilex here's a demo app written for propel
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09:38 Yossi_B Huomenta
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11:00 MikeSeth well, lol
11:00 MikeSeth <validator class="datetime" required="false" translation_domain="default.Authenticated">
11:00 MikeSeth <argument>options[period2]</argument>
11:00 MikeSeth <ae:parameters>
11:00 MikeSeth <ae:parameter name="formats">yyyy-MM-dd</ae:parameter>
11:00 MikeSeth <ae:parameter name="min">2003-07-14</ae:parameter>
11:00 MikeSeth <ae:parameter name="max">tomorrow</ae:parameter>
11:00 MikeSeth </ae:parameters>
11:00 MikeSeth <error>Invalid value for period2</error>
11:00 MikeSeth <error for="min">Period2 value rejected, database does not contain any data before 2003-07-14</error>
11:00 MikeSeth <error for="max">Period2 value rejected, time travel is not available.</error>
11:00 MikeSeth </validator>
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10:00 horros hmm, how do you remove the locale-bit from routings?
10:01 horros we're using the same route as the sample app uses
10:01 horros but now I'd need to generate a route without the locale at all
10:01 horros and $ro->gen('lol', array(), array('locale' => null)) doesn't work :<
10:06 Jarda- horros: the route is generated by imply
10:06 Jarda- does $ro->gen('foo-localeroutename') work?
10:06 Jarda- where foo is your generated route and "localeroutename" is the name of the locale route in your routing.xml
10:07 uhwo_ that worked
10:07 uhwo_ Thanks again, Jarda- :P
10:08 Jarda- cool
10:08 uhwo_ That wasn't too intuitive though :P
10:09 horros yeah, that was a bit... odd.
10:10 Jarda- it's the same mechanism as combining two routes
10:10 Jarda- like $ro->gen('myroute+pdf')
10:11 Jarda- you can use that to append stuff to the route
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10:18 Jarda- (where pdf is a route like <route name="pdf" pattern=".pdf" cut="true" stop="false" output_type="pdf" />
10:19 Jarda- handy at time
10:19 Jarda- s
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10:56 Yossi_B Hey Guys, Just to let you know, I got a new job
10:56 Yossi_B starting in a month
10:56 _cheerios grats, Yossi_B
10:56 Yossi_B Thanks
10:57 Yossi_B http://somotoinc.com/
10:57 Yossi_B I am leaving my current job and MikeSeth, who introduced me to Agavi
10:57 Yossi_B new place is using Symphony :( (they already gave me a book about it), but I will try to change that
10:58 Yossi_B started looking at the book last night and it looks suckish...
11:00 _cheerios don't fight change too much :p
11:01 Yossi_B I don't think they are to happy with Symphony anyway
11:01 Yossi_B during the interview I started talking about Agavi, and the most senior dev there said 'looks like we are switching frameworks'
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11:21 _cheerios Wombert: https://github.com/seedifferently/the-great-web-framework-shootout
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11:44 Wombert I've seen that
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12:57 Wombert Jarda: are you using GMail?
12:58 Wombert Jarda: it's somehow fucking up headers, so my mail client does not thread your messages in the conversation
12:58 Wombert In-Reply-To: <4f420bd4.0e640e0a.2391.ffffd38bSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
12:58 Jarda- Wombert: Thunderbird
12:58 Wombert that's the wrong message ID
12:58 Wombert it should be In-Reply-To: <001c01ccefae$18909be0$49b1d3a0$@fiedler@oe-konzept.de>
12:58 Jarda- thunderbird with google imap
12:58 Wombert mmh
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13:04 ttj Ooo... Mikhail Ryabko is coming to Finland in two months.
13:04 Jarda- who?
13:05 ttj Systema guy.
13:05 ttj http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lnczb3nS_E <-- The super pig.
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14:49 saracen Ugh, I give up
14:49 saracen Creating a javsscript frontend for a RESTful backend is essentially impossible.
14:53 _cheerios saracen: how is that?
14:55 saracen Well, depending on what you want to do. Using XML in the browser is painful with a custom namespace. Supporting IE8/IE9 is impossible if you want cross domain support. XDomainRequest doesn't allow custom headers, so you can't authenticate and there's no content negotiation.
14:56 saracen The libraries that make is easier, don't support setting up a default custom namespace for xpath, for example. Like, ui.ajax.org would fit the bill, but with a custom namespace, none of their live markup works.
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15:01 _cheerios Sounds like another case of broken Plug-And-Play. That thing never worked.
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15:11 Wombert saracen: why don't you use JSON for the web frontend?
15:12 Wombert using an XML API you have full control over via Javascript is just nuts
15:12 Wombert saracen: how is there no conneg?
15:12 Wombert saracen: just send an Accept header in the XHR?
15:12 Wombert oh in XDomainRequest
15:12 Wombert Y U USE CROSS DOMAIN SHIZZLE
15:17 Yossi_B aren't there are any javascript xml parsers which give universal namespace and xpath support?
15:20 Yossi_B http://dev.abiss.gr/sarissa/
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15:42 Jarda- Wombert: because sometimes you can't run your webapp on same host as the backend..
15:43 saracen I'm sure he knows that, he just believes I have complete control over everything
15:44 saracen Which is true, because I'm awesome.
15:44 saracen But, not something I'd like to assume the client wants to do
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15:47 Wombert Jarda-: proxy it maybe?
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16:40 Jarda- it's stupid that browsers think mobile.myapp.com is different host that backend.myapp.com
16:40 Jarda- so you end up doing request proxying
16:40 Jarda- which sucks
16:54 saracen Well, it is a different host. I like that. But, I just wish XDomainRequest wasn't so stupid
17:07 Jarda- me too
17:07 Jarda- have you tried EasyXDM?
17:07 Jarda- Some say it's decent
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18:44 Wombert aaah
18:44 Wombert http://gothamist.com/2012/02/20/partying_prince_of_monaco_punched_o.php#photo-5
18:44 Wombert I'm sure ttj will appreciate this article
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09:29 _cheerios skiing vacation closing in \o/
09:32 ttj Beijing closing in. Got the visa today.
09:33 _cheerios good times ahead!
09:36 ttj And: Only 8 more days of being a hippie left...
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10:17 Yossi_B I skied 2 times already this winter, and in a couple of weeks I'll go again
10:17 Yossi_B there has been a lot of snow this year
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10:56 horros DateTime::format Notes This method does not use locales. All output is in English.
10:56 horros Well that's bloody fantastic, now isn't it?
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11:10 kaos|work @horros: you can use agavis date package to format php DateTime objects
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11:32 _cheerios Rozza: RE: convore. The service was a pile of shit?
11:33 Rozza _cheerios: no they want to sell their grove.io
11:33 Rozza It looked nice
11:33 Rozza never really used it
11:34 _cheerios a friend works for grove.io, yeah; i got irc already, not needed.
11:35 _cheerios convore was slow, despite living on the cloud (amazon). some horrible choices in architecture i guess.
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11:45 Rozza can't see how the architecture would have been slow - probably a crappy amazon instance
11:46 _cheerios afaik convore was using tens of instances
11:48 Rozza nothing in http://eflorenzano.com/blog/2011/02/16/technology-behind-convore/ is slow per sea
11:48 Rozza *sae
11:48 Rozza should be able to scale massively
11:48 Rozza I still can't see it as very busy though, must have been busier in the US
11:49 Rozza / more popular
11:49 _cheerios on paper, i agree. in practice every pageload on convore was measured in the seconds, sometimes tens, or timeouts.
11:49 Rozza must be spinning up new threads as its so cold...
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11:49 chockster uhwo_: regarding translating strings outside source, we wrote a fairly simple script which converts those non-source files into PHP. The script then runs xgettext on the source and the newly generated files, then msgmerge to merge them with existing .po files, then cleans up the interim files and leaves you with a new .po that contains all the existing translations along with the new untranslated strings from source and other files
11:49 _cheerios dunno. it took of for a while being a new thing, but then it was so unusable slow that people couldn't really enjoy it.
11:50 Rozza grove.io looks ok better than using some google talk solution
11:50 Rozza and private
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11:50 Rozza but I heard hipchat is also popular
11:50 Rozza so gonna be difficult for them
11:51 chockster this has worked well enough now that the script hasn't changed for probably 7 years
11:52 _cheerios so many chat apps, i guess some that tie into a b2b need make some dough.
11:53 Rozza nods
11:58 uhwo_ chockster: Might have to think of something like that in the future. I chose to just write the few strings needing translations to a php file manually for now.
12:02 chockster We have approx 7500 non-source strings :-)
12:05 uhwo_ I can see why you'd want to script that ;P
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15:02 ttj Wombert: Served him right for being a jerk.
15:02 Wombert yup
15:02 Wombert I mean
15:02 Wombert rofl
15:02 Wombert :>
15:02 Wombert this dude punched out, what, three or four of those morons?
15:02 Wombert must suck for sure
15:02 ttj Yeah. :P
15:02 Wombert really awesome
15:03 ttj And he's like a middle aged grandpa and the four other guys were twentysomethings.
15:03 Wombert yes
15:03 Wombert "then allegedly punched out Niarchos, 26, and quickly landed blows on downtown hipsters Vladimir Restoin Roitfeld, 27, and Diego Marroquin, 33"
15:03 Wombert so full of win
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15:04 ttj Oh right, I forgot the hipster part.
15:04 ttj Even that in itself is reason enough.
15:04 ttj BTW, any good suggestions for Beijing?
15:05 Wombert not really
15:05 Wombert if you want the best duck in town, apparently you need to go to Made In China at the Grand Hyatt
15:05 Wombert it was pleasant, western prices, reasonable balance between style and poshness
15:06 ttj Ok.
15:06 Wombert I ordered a 4800 CNY bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon by accident :p
15:06 jpdery accident...
15:06 ttj I hope you didn't return it.
15:06 Wombert nah I noticed it way before they brought it out
15:06 Wombert he was still taking orders from others :p
15:07 Wombert yeah I had the conversion factor wrong in my head jpdery :p
15:07 ttj I still want to go back to Beirut.
15:07 Wombert was it fun?
15:07 ttj Epic.
15:08 ttj Tried to bribe a "Manager of the Beach" but neglected to notice from my drunkenness that there were two police next to him.
15:08 ttj And other cool stuff.
15:08 Wombert awesome
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15:08 Wombert also the wall is worth visiting
15:08 Wombert s/wall/Wall/
15:09 Wombert but might be a bit hard as an individual, don't get fucked over by your driver etc
15:09 ttj Yeah, I don't think I'm that interested in that.
15:09 Wombert the Forbidden City is... well... dunno
15:09 Wombert Tiananmen etc are an easy visit
15:09 Yossi_B I heard the food is really bad
15:09 Wombert well but you should consider it really
15:09 Wombert it's fucking impressive
15:09 ttj My primary agenda revolves basically visiting a couple of tailors I've scouted in advance, getting drunk and then heading to Shanghai to drink more.
15:10 ttj +around
15:10 Wombert sounds good
15:10 ttj I don't know if you remember Juuso from the gin-bottle-waterball thingy, but he's in Beijing now.
15:10 ttj And he knows Chinese. Nothing can go wrong!
15:11 Wombert oh, splendid
15:12 ttj I guess beer prices will be asymptotically approaching zero in China or something?
15:12 Wombert not zero, but reasonably cheap especially by Finnish standards
15:12 Wombert food as well
15:13 ttj Good. Because I'm broke from being a hippie. :P
15:13 Wombert if you pay more than 10 Yuan at a street corner you're getting fucked over :p
15:14 Wombert taxi from the airport to central station is ~90 CNY
15:14 Wombert didn't take the train
15:14 Wombert the subway is nice and efficient, but the people are insanely annoying
15:14 ttj Taxi might be good since I have no idea where my flat will be.
15:14 Wombert not efficient, ruthless, pushy and slow
15:14 ttj And I have the address written in Chinese, which doesn't help me too much.
15:14 Wombert make absolutely sure you have *flawless* written directions, in Chinese, and the full address
15:14 Wombert ok
15:15 Wombert that should be fine
15:15 Wombert where is it?
15:15 ttj Well, as said, it's written in Chinese and in a .jpg file...
15:15 Wombert it took me half an hour one evening to get to an event even though I had the full address
15:15 Wombert right
15:15 Wombert know the neighborhood at least?
15:15 ttj I know it's in Beijing. Beijing can't be too big...
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15:44 horros interesting
15:44 horros AgaviTimeZone::getOffsetRef() claims to "Returns the time zone raw and GMT offset for the given moment in time[...]"
15:44 horros except there's no return-statement at all
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16:01 Wombert there indeed is not, horros
16:01 Wombert horros: for your own sanity please use ext/date unless it lacks some kind of feature
16:01 Wombert horros: it's much faster too
16:02 Wombert horros: also why do you need the offset?
16:04 horros I don't necessarily. I was poking around in stuff under agavi/date
16:04 Wombert noted the bug tho, thanks :)
16:05 horros (same in the overloaded method in AgaviOlsonTimeZone, btw)
16:06 horros anyways, got to jet.
16:06 horros &
16:12 shrink0r Does anyone have an idea why I am always getting the default route matched when running a FlowTest with the web context? I have the routingInput setup correctly but when logging from the AgaviWebRouting the $_SERVER vars that are set inside the FlowTests dispatch method are always empty. Test isolation ftw?
16:20 Wombert hmmmh shrink0r
16:21 Wombert like this? http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.7/samples/test/tests/flow/LoginFlowTest.p​hp
16:34 shrink0r yepp, that's were I stole it from ^^
16:34 shrink0r I also checked that I have the correct static factory settings for the WebRequest inside the web@testing environment
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16:47 kaos|work horros: it's "returning" via the two reference parameters ;)
17:03 Wombert ooh
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17:51 Wombert horros: I'm thinking we should use http://symfony.com/doc/2.0/components/console.html for a new Agavi CLI thingie
17:52 Wombert it seems to have all of the interactive stuff, plus a shell mode as well
17:53 horros do we have to use that fugly foo:bar stuff :(
17:53 Wombert no
17:53 horros good!
17:54 Wombert http://odino.github.com/install-composer-dependencies-with-the-symfony2-cli/ <- shell stuff
17:55 kaos|work Wombert: new CLI thingy? like getting rid of phing? :P
17:55 Wombert yeah
17:55 shrink0r +1
17:55 kaos|work +1 :>
17:55 Wombert horros: although agavi: as a prefix might make sense
17:56 Wombert just to avoid collisions
17:56 Wombert if we then give people an easy way to extend it with their own commands...
17:57 Wombert still, the biggest challenge is to figure out modularity
17:57 Wombert and how to do multi-step stuff
17:57 Wombert the goal really should be that one can write a Netbeans/Textmate/whatevs interface on top of it
17:58 Wombert I was thinking that batch commands maybe could be defined separately, e.g. "project" would just be a pre-defined series of calls *without* loops, and this definition could be readable by external tools to provide the same behavior
17:58 Wombert not sure if that makes sense tho
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18:00 horros hmm.
18:01 Wombert 'cause that's one of the biggest issues, right? "agavi project" keeps asking for stuff in a loop until you stop entering things
18:01 Wombert besides, in your plugin, you shouldn't have to detect prompts or w/e anyway
18:01 Wombert it should all be arguments
18:02 Wombert but for something like "agavi project", you can't really do that
18:02 Wombert since it's a million args
18:02 horros yeah, partially. also the fact that it's very hard to detect if the plugin provided some invalid parameter or if we're just waiting for output because it's taking 834958925 billion years for phing to do it's thang.
18:02 Wombert yeah that's what I mean
18:02 Wombert if instead of waiting for shit you simply make ten or so calls to a process
18:02 Wombert you don't have to do that
18:03 Wombert you get output (it would be different for piped stuff of course, no colors etc)
18:03 Wombert and you get return codes
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18:05 kaos|work Wombert: what about one of that subtasks breaking
18:05 horros lol
18:05 horros I wonder if there's something ACTUALLY wrong or if facebook is just stopping me from posting a video whose title is "Ich m?chte Fotze" :P
18:05 kaos|work i had that recently with the standard command line tools and it left me with a half created module :P
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18:11 kaos|work Wombert: but how would the tool know which parameters to put where if we would define those multi step things
18:11 kaos|work you would still need to know which parameters exists at all in advance
18:11 kaos|work and then you can just call agavi project with everything supplied
18:11 Wombert eh?
18:11 Wombert no
18:12 horros as long as one gets return codes (consistently) I think the netbeans plugin would manage
18:12 Wombert "project" is defined as "basic-create" (which expects arguments), "defaults-create" (which may or may not), and then "action" or something
18:12 matbtt Huomenta.
18:13 Wombert for each of the steps of course the external tool would have to know the arguments
18:13 Wombert but it'd follow the instructed steps without having to ask the user for all arguments in advance
18:13 matbtt I'd like to render HTML without decorating content. Is there a best practice how to achive this.
18:13 Wombert in fact, we could, on success, output the next command to STDERR and use that as an indicator for the external tool on what to do next
18:14 Wombert if we make this all text based like a real unix thing... it'd work well with all kinds of other things I reckon
18:14 matbtt Actually I would go for an executeHtml() in my View and load a different layout depending on the existence of a parameter
18:14 Wombert matbtt: you mean just the content without a decorator?
18:14 Wombert matbtt: well then just do that :)
18:14 kaos|work Wombert: but then you'd need to know what is the next command which could be different depending on what the "wrapper task" is
18:14 kaos|work and i think we could pretty easily let the tool ask which parameters are available
18:14 Wombert kaos|work: that's why we could output it if we wanted to
18:15 Wombert kaos|work: that's not possible
18:15 Wombert and it's exactly the kind of stuff that right now gives horros a hard time with his Netbeans plugin
18:15 kaos|work yeah, i know, but what are the arguments to most of our cli tools? its names, lists and paths
18:16 matbtt Yes. But is passing a parameter best practice for that
18:16 Wombert matbtt: uh
18:16 matbtt :D
18:16 Wombert matbtt: well you have to know what layout to load *somehow*...
18:16 kaos|work and i think if you'd define some basic types + arrays of these you can pretty much cover every parameter you can pass to the cli tools
18:17 kaos|work and then you can just ask a command which arguments it expects
18:17 matbtt Correct. Then I'll use the parameter
18:17 shrink0r Wombert: writing the next command to stderr could cause problems while testing or during integration builds, right?
18:17 kaos|work but gtg, we can fight about that later :P
18:17 matbtt which controls which layout to chose
18:17 Wombert shrink0r: we'd only do that if the output is redirected to a pipe obviously
18:17 Wombert shrink0r: posix_isatty() :)
18:17 Wombert (although, Windows, meh)
18:18 shrink0r ah k
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18:18 Wombert kaos|work: too complex
18:18 Wombert and overblown
18:18 Wombert how do you know dependencies etc
18:18 horros hmm
18:18 Wombert it's fine if the external tool has that knowledge hardcoded for commands
18:18 Wombert (but it could still print the help output into the dialog for instance)
18:19 horros maybe for eg. netbeans the wizard thing should just be split up like it is for other projects
18:19 Wombert horros: split up how?
18:19 horros eg create project separately, create module separately, action wizard separately etc
18:19 horros so no create project with 5 modules that each have 4 actions
18:20 Wombert horros: well but then the user has to know what the steps are, which especially for creating a new project is a PITA and a massive stumbling block
18:20 Wombert horros: why not say "project = base-setup, defaults-setup, module"?
18:20 Wombert and module = module-create, action-create?
18:20 Wombert with a very simple syntax to pre-define arguments
18:20 Wombert and then you'd just run a bunch of wizards in sequence
18:21 horros mmh. perhaps if the users don't have the option to create multiple modules when creating the project
18:21 horros because UI/UX-wise the wizard would suck
18:21 Wombert yes, that's what I said, no looping
18:21 Wombert I think that's a fair tradeoff
18:21 horros yeah.
18:22 horros I'm assuming no looping means action-create only creates one action
18:23 horros what about views?
18:23 shrink0r god, if I could only where the hell between FlowTestCase::dispatch and AgaviWebRouting::initialize I am losing the fucking $_SERVER infos
18:23 shrink0r is losing all his hair
18:23 Wombert horros: yeah good question... views :(
18:23 horros eg. action-create creates LolAction, but what views? only Success? not sure if that's a very good idea :|
18:24 Wombert horros: what if the definition was sonething like "action = action-create, view-create+" ?
18:24 horros mmh
18:24 horros that'd work
18:24 Wombert maybe we should workshophax0r this around TAD?
18:25 Wombert unless you want to tackle it before that
18:25 horros so it creates the action, then the wizard thing could ask for a view, generate it and have an option to generate another view and another view etc
18:25 Wombert (I won't have any time to)
18:25 Wombert yeah pretty much
18:25 Wombert any multi-step operation would simply be defined as a series of specific steps
18:25 horros I _might_ have some time to do something about it somewhere around mid-april :P
18:25 Wombert and this definition would be used by the CLI itself and by external processes
18:26 horros <- completely overworked
18:26 Wombert horros: well then fuck that and let's just put aside two days around TAD?
18:26 horros Wombert: works for me
18:26 Wombert maybe Jarda and/or v-dogg want/can help as well
18:26 horros yeah
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19:26 shrink0r is starting to drule foam - one more hour looking at phpunit's src and I'll probally experience some irreversable mental damage
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19:58 Jarda- Wombert: +1 for symfony console component
19:59 Jarda- and I definitely would want to help
19:59 Jarda- it's only a matter of time
19:59 Jarda- currently I'm busy as hell
19:59 Jarda- also at work
19:59 Jarda- we are so busy, that v-dogg has had to start coding again ;)
20:00 Jarda- and he's like "could you please come and help me with this tricky problem .. now I have this variable, how can I check if it matches a value.."
20:01 Wombert hah
20:01 Wombert I knew he was a noob! :>
20:01 Jarda- now I hope he's not reading this channel :D
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20:33 v-dogg y u dis me, me so sad nau :(
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20:42 Jarda- yeah I know.. no respect for the elder..
20:47 Wombert hugs v-dogg
20:52 horros https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/405385_10150546864612327_69​9972326_9548152_1192422536_n.jpg
20:53 horros bastardly bastard buggering bastard that took me ages to solve :x
20:53 horros the text just says kindergarden kids solve this in 5-10 minutes, coders in about an hour and people with higher education should give it a go :P
20:58 Jarda- horros: I'll pm you
20:59 Jarda- ha, got it :9
20:59 Jarda- :)
21:01 horros took me about half an hour on and off pondering it :P
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21:02 Jarda- without the "kindergarden" hint it would've tooken longer
21:02 Jarda- I tried to simplify it
21:02 Jarda- and it worked
21:02 horros yeah, I disregarded that hint :P
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21:11 graste finally found the tune of this channel
21:11 graste http://www.chilloutzone.net/video/fak-fak-fak.html
21:11 Jarda- agreed :D
21:11 graste =)
21:12 graste thinks it's Wombert in disguise
21:12 Wombert wat?
21:12 Wombert loooool
21:13 graste I think it's you looking at PHPUnit's source
21:14 graste someone should setup a site like http://wombertislookingatthings.com with pictures about "looking at phpunit's source", looking at another framework's source, looking at vdogg, looking angry, etc pp
21:14 Wombert :<
21:14 graste :D
21:15 horros :D
21:15 graste I guess the above video is fine for all my defined cases
21:15 graste :D
21:16 Jarda- nah, I should've taken video of Wombert trying to align a glass at a restaurant. The glass was square but the bottom and top was in an angle
21:16 Jarda- it would've been a great gif
21:16 Wombert I did that?
21:16 Wombert oO
21:16 Wombert probably my subconscious
21:16 graste =)
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21:16 Wombert I do that all the time with glasses and napkins and tables
21:16 Wombert :(
21:16 graste :D
21:17 Wombert glass must be in the center of the napkin
21:17 graste things must be in order
21:17 graste I can feel with you
21:17 Wombert napkin must be parallel to the table edge
21:17 horros zere are procedures to be followed
21:17 graste :>
21:17 Jarda- yeah. You shouldn't confuse germans with glasses that can't be aligned
21:17 graste looks forward to iron sky
21:17 horros wasn't that released already in germany?
21:17 graste only at berlinale
21:18 horros ah
21:18 Jarda- yeah, definitely gonna watch it
21:18 Jarda- but the funny thing is, it's like the most expensive film ever made in finland
21:18 graste hehe
21:19 Jarda- and the reviews were like "great film, especially for a low budget film"
21:19 Jarda- we are just so poor :(
21:19 graste yeah well
21:19 graste I think it's about the relative price compared to the look and feel ;>
21:19 graste so it's all good
21:19 graste and
21:19 graste -and
21:20 graste http://www.maniacworld.com/meanwhile-in-finland.jpg
21:20 graste Jarda waiting for iron sky
21:20 Jarda- :)
21:22 horros lol
21:22 horros just watched the official trailer
21:22 horros hahahaha "the battle for earth" - "is gonna" - "get" - "nazi"
21:22 horros bahahaha
21:25 Wombert horros: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/405385_10150546864612327_69​9972326_9548152_1192422536_n.jpg
21:25 Wombert [19:53] horros: bastardly bastard buggering bastard that took me ages to solve :x
21:26 Wombert fuck that shit
21:26 Wombert I just spent like five minutes on it
21:26 graste I looked at it for a minute, felt bad and quit the tab
21:26 graste no I will never know
21:26 graste now
21:28 horros Wombert: :P
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22:03 graste Why is http://trac.agavi.org/browser/trunk/src/routing/AgaviHttpRedirectRoutingCallback​.class.php only in trunk but not in 1.0? Should work there as well?
22:04 graste hm
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09:12 _cheerios what's with rape news from britain lately?
09:12 Jarda- is saracen single again? (:D)
09:13 _cheerios first a sect of 6 muslims running their teen-prostitution ring, and then this 11-year old "willingly" being taken by two grownups and filmed while doing it.
09:16 _cheerios atleast there's the entertainment section with Araj?rvi making the rounds :p
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10:58 ttj v-dogg: What half marathon are you aiming for?
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11:09 Jarda- is he aiming for one?
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11:26 simoncpu aims for the marathon of Life
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13:19 saracen 07:50:23 < Jarda-> is saracen single again? (:D)
13:19 saracen I approve of this joke
13:22 saracen Wombert: If I expand a resource, should I remove the link rel to the resource that is now inlined?
13:24 Wombert saracen: no, never
13:24 Wombert saracen: <link rel="self"
13:29 saracen http://pastie.org/private/m8rs1ezl0ndidmeunqbc5w
13:29 saracen Just to make sure we're on the same page
13:30 saracen So, it should look like the last one, where the employees have been expanded, but the link rel to it still exists?
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13:40 saracen Wombert: *highlight* :(
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14:15 Wombert saracen: oh sorry
14:15 Wombert I misunderstood you
14:16 Wombert no, not like the last one then
14:16 Wombert first and second are fine
14:16 Wombert I thought you didn't want a <link rel="self" on an employee or something once you've inlined it
14:17 saracen Hmm, but, now I'm unsure. Because, the links I suppose are also useful for knowing what URL to post a new employee to
14:17 Wombert but there is <employees> and you can look at the <link rel="self" in there
14:17 saracen I've also discovered that some other APIs actually expand the link element, so that its content contains the resource. Not sure I like that.
14:17 Wombert unless you want to make it easier for clients of course
14:18 Wombert eh?
14:18 Wombert <link><employees /></link> ?
14:18 Wombert that's bullshit
14:18 saracen #0_pgfId-1009503">http://developer.netflix.com/docs/REST_API_Conventions#0_pgfId-1009503
14:19 saracen There was 2 others that I found on Google
14:19 Wombert trolol
14:19 Wombert noobs
14:19 Wombert <link href="http://api.netflix.com/catalog/titles/series/70023522/cast"; rel="http://schemas.netflix.com/catalog/people"; title="cast">
14:19 Wombert or
14:19 Wombert <cast>
14:19 Wombert <link href="http://api.netflix.com/catalog/titles/series/70023522/cast"; rel="self" title="cast">
14:19 Wombert their way is nonsense
14:20 Wombert btw, some people (like @mamund, whose stuff I really like otherwise) do things like...
14:20 saracen Ah good, I felt really annoyed when I found it because it doesn't make any sense to me
14:20 Wombert <link rel="...user" />
14:20 Wombert but also
14:20 Wombert <user>
14:20 Wombert <link rel="...user" />
14:20 Wombert so they don't use "self" inside the entity
14:20 Wombert which really makes no sense and should be avoided IMO
14:20 Wombert e.g. when you have a tree of categories, that'll break
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20:01 Jarda- god damn
20:01 Jarda- trying to find an email validator for C#/.NET
20:02 Jarda- maybe I should just copypaste the regexp from agavi..
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23:35 hzilla any1 at phplondon on friday?
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09:10 _cheerios ah. tomorrow to italy!
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10:35 Yossi_B I have a question about FPF
10:37 Yossi_B I have a form that is build by Java Script - so after the submition FPF can't populate the fields and errors (since the form elements are not there). can I make FPF throw the neccessery data I need to repopulate/display errors correctly by parsing it with javascript (the most important thing is the form input name which triggered the error)
10:37 horros_ Yossi_B: You can get the errors from the validation manager
10:38 Yossi_B I know that, but isn't there a way to make FPF produce html elements which contain the error data ?
10:39 Jarda- Yossi_B: no
10:39 Yossi_B :(
10:39 Jarda- you have to create it in the template
10:40 Yossi_B :(
10:40 v-dogg FPF doesn't create anything really, it modifies the DOM
10:40 Jarda- I've done something similar myself. I had javascript adding rows to a table of inputs. and they were like <input type="text" name="newrow[12][Something]" /> then I had a <input type="hidden" name="newrowindex" value="12" />
10:41 Jarda- and I update the hidden input with javascript
10:42 Jarda- then in my template I did something like <?php for ($i = 0; $i <= $t['newrowindex']; $i++) :?> <tr> ... <input type="text" name="newrow[<?php echo $i;?>][Something]" /> ... </tr> <?php endforeach; ?>
10:43 Yossi_B not that simple in my case...
10:43 Jarda- so it created the form and then fpf populated it
10:43 Yossi_B hmmmm
10:43 Jarda- or then just use ajax for the form post
10:44 Yossi_B hmmm not sure what is the correct solution in my case, honestly I don't have to produce the form using JS.
10:44 Jarda- I don't really use FPF nowadays
10:45 Jarda- as I use Backbone.js
10:45 Yossi_B what is that ?
10:45 Jarda- and make almost everything client-side
10:45 Jarda- use teh google
10:45 Jarda- it's MCV-like stuff for javascript
10:45 Jarda- running client-side
10:46 Jarda- agavi is just outputting the initial template and then serving and accepting JSON
10:47 Yossi_B yes I could do that
10:47 Yossi_B but I kind of liked FPF, it saves a ton of time messing with errors and stuff
10:48 Jarda- yeah, I've created something similar for JSON+ajax
10:49 Yossi_B did you create a somthing in the base view to return all error and submitted info as json ?
10:50 Jarda- http://pastie.org/3435771
10:51 Jarda- http://pastie.org/3435774
10:51 Jarda- so my error views are empty, they just extend MyProjectBaseValidationErrorView
10:52 Jarda- lunch -->
10:52 Yossi_B nice!
10:52 Yossi_B thanks!
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10:59 Yossi_B I guess you don't have to use it exclusively for ajax, in normal request you can also use the json data by placing in the template and then operating on it
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11:29 E_mE Under the <system_action /> in settings.xml, is it possible to pass parameters to the action?
11:29 E_mE request parameters that be
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12:27 horros_ errh
12:28 horros_ how do I write a validator that gets a parameter which is one of "foo", "bar" or "baz" and a if (and only if) the value of the first validator is NOT "foo" then the second validator is required..?
12:29 horros_ as in, if the parameter passed to the first validator is "bar" or "baz" then the second validator must run, but if the value is "foo" then the second validator must NOT run (because then the value passed to the second validator won't be present)
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12:42 horros_ hmm
12:47 Jarda- horros_: whoaa
12:55 horros_ hmh?
12:56 Jarda- your problem
12:56 Jarda- tricky one
12:56 horros_ mm, otherwise I wouldn't have asked :P
12:56 Jarda- I would maybe validate them all with required="false"
12:56 horros_ can I instantiate a validator inside a custom validator..?
12:56 Jarda- and then in Action::validateWrite() validate the logic
12:57 Jarda- I know, not a perfect solution
12:57 horros_ well, better than nothing :P
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13:01 kaos|work horros: 'foo', 'bar', 'baz' as argument values or argument names?
13:01 horros values
13:01 horros as in, options from a select-element
13:03 kaos|work https://gist.github.com/17fb97463600f95a7eda
13:03 kaos|work like that?
13:05 horros hmm.
13:06 horros so how do I then validate "bar"?
13:06 horros err
13:06 horros "foo"
13:06 horros :P
13:07 kaos|work put another validator in there? :D
13:07 horros PERHAPS!
13:08 kaos|work you can put an or validator around the first validator and add a second inarray validator which checks if the value is 'foo' and provides something else
13:08 horros hmm, yeah, that'd work.
13:09 horros errh. my computer suddenly started saying that my copy of windows is not genuine o_O
13:09 kaos|work evil you!!!11
13:09 horros except it is :P
13:10 horros errh
13:10 horros now the text disappeared :O
13:10 horros O_o
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13:55 horros damnit
13:55 horros it almost works!
13:56 horros http://pastie.org/3436814
13:56 horros that works if I pass UTC to the first validator
13:57 horros and the one that depends works if I pass, say, 32 as location (the timezone shows up as validated)
13:57 horros but the location-validator with value 32 fails o_O
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14:14 kaos|work postgresql F T W
14:15 kaos|work it's just so awesome what you can do with single queries :>
14:17 kaos|work horros: set the severity to info for the validators in the or
14:17 kaos|work but leave to or validator as is
14:17 kaos|work but you might want to add <argument>location</argument> to the or validator then
14:17 Jarda- kaos|work: yeah postgres is awesome
14:17 kaos|work otherwise it won't mark location as failed if both child validators fail
14:18 kaos|work and i just love generate_series()
14:18 kaos|work so simple and yet SO powerful
14:20 horros kaos|work: hmmh, let me give it a go
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14:24 horros hmm, I think it's working now
14:24 horros need to run some tests
14:24 horros but cheers =)
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14:56 _cheerios ski ski ski ski; my mind can be read like an open book atm.
14:56 _cheerios kaos|work: is that postgres-speak for python
14:56 _cheerios 's range()
14:58 kaos|work _cheerios: yeah, but it has some nice touches
14:58 kaos|work like when being used as selected field it actually causes the result to grow in rows
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18:58 ygagnon Wombert: Ping!
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19:00 Wombert yes?
19:03 ygagnon Wombert: What are you trying to achieve in IOS
19:04 ygagnon Background sync'ing?
19:06 Wombert ygagnon: no
19:06 Wombert I'd like to see an API provided by iOS that allows apps to subscribe to an event that's fired when a network connection becomes available again
19:07 Wombert so they can perform quick syncs
19:08 ygagnon I never used this thing, but I thought SCNetworkReachabilitySetCallback may have been the solution to your problem ;)
19:09 ygagnon Also, are you using an ios wrapper app like phonegap?
19:09 ygagnon for html/js/css?
19:10 Wombert ygagnon: a *running* app can use that
19:10 Wombert should be obvious from the docs :p
19:11 ygagnon Why would you like to sync a not running app?
19:11 Wombert sighs
19:12 Wombert I'm on an airplane and add an item to a todo manager that syncs through the cloud
19:12 Wombert when I get home to my computer, launch the corresponding todo app, the item won't be there
19:12 Wombert I read articles on a news reader on the phone while offline, and when I get back to google reader, the items are still marked unread
19:12 Wombert etc etc
19:13 ygagnon I understand, nevermind :P Was trying to help
19:15 Wombert :)
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01:35 saracen But i'm le tired.
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05:56 luke` huomenta
05:57 luke` saw some talk of postgres earlier. How do I convince a client to choose postgres over mysql?
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07:59 Jarda- meanwhile in finland.. https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431368_289845537749622_1426​46372469540_788573_2142378612_n.jpg
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15:41 fzerorubigd hi all, Is there any way to override propel log config in agavi?
15:41 fzerorubigd i mean in agavi config not propel config
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20:22 Jarda- horros: can you use this somehow in your agavi stuff?
20:22 Jarda- https://blogs.oracle.com/netbeansphp/entry/php_5_4_support_built
20:22 Jarda- would be so cool to say just "use netbeans, no apache etc configuration needed"
20:22 Jarda- a little bit like nodejs..
20:41 horros Quite possibly.
20:42 Jarda- easy way to bootstrap an agavi project etc
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11:47 Jarda- huomenta..
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10:18 Jarda horros: could you please answer to the frenchies? :)
10:24 Yossi_B Huomenta
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14:36 tlkshadow hi
14:37 tlkshadow is it possible to set an output type in an Agavi Action?
14:40 Jarda afaik no
14:40 Jarda and actions shouldn't care about output types, really
14:40 Jarda IIRC wombert has found _one_ occasion where action should care about output type
14:43 tlkshadow hmm
14:45 tlkshadow i have an export form and there the user can choose between XML csv and sql
14:45 tlkshadow and after i get the results in the action, i want to use executeXml for xml and so on
14:47 everplays tlkshadow, http://mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#general_6
14:49 everplays tlkshadow, as Jarda said, your action doesn't need to know about output type, as data is same
14:50 Jarda tlkshadow: if you want to have it from the form data, then do the output choice in view::initialize
14:52 everplays also you can alter action attribute of form via js (for example add .csv to url if user selected csv)
14:52 Jarda tlkshadow: http://pastie.org/3480030
14:54 tlkshadow thx Jarda i try this
14:56 tlkshadow works! thx
14:56 tlkshadow s
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15:45 graste I think you can set the output type in the initialize method of a view (and feels rather not okay)
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16:09 Yossi_B You can place a callback on the form post route in routing.xml and have that callback set the output type
16:10 graste yep
16:10 graste didnt click the pastie link
16:10 graste that's the view approach
16:10 Yossi_B although the best solution by far is just use js to change the form's action
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16:11 graste well js for forms is always tricky for accessibility reasons
16:13 Yossi_B that's what I do anyway... havn't had any complaints
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18:55 Jarda I think the view::initialize is kinda clean approach
18:55 Jarda stupid browsers that can't do accept headers..
18:58 saracen I prefer setting the output type in routing.xml. Either use a callback to match a header or w/e, or just include .xml$ at the end of your route pattern and force the output type on that route.
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19:11 Jarda saracen: callback to match header? :(
19:11 Jarda ok, well I've done that also
19:11 Jarda but most of the time <route source="..." pattern="application/json" output_type="json" />
19:11 Jarda is enough
19:11 Jarda but of course if you want to have logic, like actually parsing the header for ranks etc, then you need a callback
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19:13 Jarda saracen: but in situations where I have a "reporting form", where I can give dates, other criterias AND the desired output type (excel, pdf, xml, html whatever) then the form data + view::initialize is a good approach
19:13 Jarda changing the action attribute with json seems so hackish
19:14 Wombert ohai
19:14 Wombert sup
19:29 Jarda Wombert: talking about how to tell which output type to execute when doing a "export to various formats" -form
19:30 Jarda I'm suggesting view::initialize and request parameter
19:30 Jarda some are suggesting routing callback
19:30 Jarda some modifying the form action with javascript
19:31 Wombert the action?
19:31 Wombert why the action?
19:31 Wombert the Accept header if any
19:31 Wombert (then you'd have to submit via XHR tho)
19:31 Jarda to append something like .pdf to the end of action
19:31 Wombert I guess I'd go for view::initialize
19:31 Wombert although that part of the code is something I've always wanted to remove
19:32 Wombert since it adds a fuckload of complexity
19:32 Jarda http://pastie.org/3480030
19:32 Jarda that was my suggestion
19:32 Wombert since if you change the OT that late in the game, some stuff has to be started over
19:32 Wombert the FPF is one nasty while(true) loop already anyway
19:32 Wombert yeah I suppose that works
19:32 Wombert setOutputType() really could do with a string arg p
19:33 Wombert s/p/:p/
19:33 Jarda :)
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19:57 Wombert graste1: Plat_Forms!
19:57 Wombert no excuses
19:58 graste1 havent programmed in years :x
19:58 graste1 and dunno aws
19:58 Wombert psshhh
19:58 graste1 true story
19:58 graste1 <:
19:59 graste1 I can run around and slap the other teams for doing it wrong?
19:59 graste1 is there a team size restriction?
20:00 graste1 xylakant knows aws in and out :P
20:08 Wombert I thought it was supposed to be three people
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08:30 Yossi_B Huomenta
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15:33 Yossi_B I have an abstract class with a an abstract method that expect an object of type Father
15:34 Yossi_B and a concrete implementation which implements this method but says it expects Child, which inherits from Father
15:35 Yossi_B PHP doesn't like that... it says that the method declaration is not compatible with the abstract decleration
15:35 Yossi_B why does that makes sense....
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16:18 v-dogg which php version?
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16:54 Yossi_B 5.3 somthing...
16:55 Yossi_B it has namespaces. the parent class is namespaced while the child isn't
16:56 kaos|work Yossi_B: that behaviour is correct oop behaviour
16:56 kaos|work you are restricting the things you can pass to your function in your implementation
16:57 kaos|work while you would only be allowed to relax the constraints
16:57 Yossi_B yes, that is true and the actual object I passed is restricted to to that constraint the way I see it
16:58 kaos|work so if your abstract base required the param to be a Child you could use Father in your implementation
16:58 kaos|work but not the other way around
16:59 Yossi_B that doesn't make any sense to me
16:59 kaos|work well, lets create an example ;)
17:00 Yossi_B it may work, but I think it would be more useful the other way around
17:01 kaos|work no, it allows breakage
17:01 kaos|work if you'd do it your way ;)
17:02 kaos|work say i have some code which is programmed against your base class
17:03 kaos|work there i pass a Father object to your method
17:04 Yossi_B yes
17:04 Yossi_B and the method uses methods only available on the child
17:04 Yossi_B which the father doesn't implement at all because he is not inheriting
17:04 kaos|work now if you have a concrete impl of your base class restricting the argument to Child
17:04 kaos|work your code would break
17:05 kaos|work because it tries to pass Father where Child is expected
17:06 Yossi_B No, I am trying to pass a Child where a Father is expected
17:06 kaos|work while the abstract base says it allows Father (and anything which has a is_a relationship to father)
17:06 kaos|work no, you are not passing it
17:06 kaos|work you are restricting your method to only allow Child
17:07 kaos|work which is 2 entirely different things
17:09 Yossi_B What I originaly wrote - "I have an abstract class with a an abstract method that expect an object of type Father"
17:09 Yossi_B "and a concrete implementation which implements this method but says it expects Child, which inherits from Father"
17:10 Yossi_B isn't a CHILD is_a FATHER
17:10 Yossi_B as you said - (and anything which has a is_a relationship to father)
17:10 kaos|work yes, thats why you can PASS Child everywhere instead of Father
17:10 Yossi_B I can pass
17:10 kaos|work but you can't require a function which expects Father to now only expect Child
17:10 Yossi_B hmm
17:11 Yossi_B I got you now
17:12 Yossi_B I still don't get I should only be allowed to relax the constraint
17:12 kaos|work you'll see in a minute when i'm finished with my little code snippet ;)
17:14 Yossi_B well relaxed constraint in CHILD->FATHER thing may not guarantee compatibility on the Father with things you maybe able to do on the Child. so while you can call it 'relaxing' it really also allows breakage
17:15 kaos|work https://gist.github.com/292e69cc23474af4392c
17:15 Yossi_B so you can get father object to your class, without any explicit intent on your side, and totaly not be able to do things you are expecting to do on the child
17:17 Yossi_B well, actually to get a father class you have to explicitly state so in the method sig, right?
17:19 Yossi_B Okay, I think I got it now...
17:25 Wombert simpler example
17:25 Wombert I have code that can deal with your abstract Operator class, where drive() is declared to accept Vehicle, and my code calls that
17:26 Wombert now you subclass Operator to Driver and declare drive() to accept Car
17:26 kaos|work Wombert: how can it get any simpler than my gist? ;)
17:26 Wombert my code cannot use your Driver class, even though it's an Operator, since I cannot pass the expected Vehicle
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