Agavi

Log opened Wed Sep 01 00:00:25 2010
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08:47	_cheerios	huomenta
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10:32	_cheerios	HIGHWAAYYY THRUUU THE DANGERZOOOOOOOOOOONE
10:35	v-dogg	were you even born when that was a hit?-)
10:35	jurica	its still ahit!
10:36	v-dogg	:)
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11:24	Jarda	from top gun?
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11:30	rozza	huomenta
11:35	MikeSeth	I am fapping on cherrypy
11:35	MikeSeth	consider this treason!
11:43	v-dogg	awww... now every time I see a cherry pie I think of a jew fapping...
11:43	v-dogg	nasty
11:45	Jarda	http://www.cherrypy.org/ this one?
11:45	Jarda	at least the site is ugly as hell
11:45	Jarda	and seeing python code makes me cry every time
11:49	MikeSeth	the syntactic whitespace pisses me off to no end
11:49	MikeSeth	but other than this it's supremely nice
11:55	_cheerios	what's so cool about that cherry, MikeSeth ?
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12:29	_cheerios	ewww, the coffee i made tastes terrible
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12:35	v-dogg	the coffee I made tastes ok'ish but it's not my favourite bean sort
12:35	v-dogg	but the good ones are a bit pricy for office bulk usage :)
12:38	E_mE	v-dogg: what is your fav bean type?
12:39	E_mE	I had some weasel coffee a while back, was Very nice.. also Blue mountain.. nom!
12:43	v-dogg	the local roastery here roasts really nice Ethiopian coffee (Yirgacheffe if that says something to someone :)
12:43	v-dogg	that's my favourite at the moment
12:44	v-dogg	but they are running out of it and there's no good replacement for it
12:45	digitarald	Huomenta peps
12:45	_cheerios	v-dogg: ebay! :) http://compare.ebay.com/like/380103065632
12:45	digitarald	Folks
12:46	digitarald	long time no chat
12:46	_cheerios	sup digi
12:46	v-dogg	_cheerios: yes, there are quite a few others offering the same bean :)
12:46	E_mE	v-dogg: i recommend Blue mountain is very nice
12:46	v-dogg	even in Finland
12:47	v-dogg	but I would like to support local business
12:47	digitarald	btw, I was wondering is there is any development progress on agavi ... anything new?
12:47	digitarald	or is it now just jet-setting from conference to conference?
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12:56	Jarda	http://cia.vc/stats/project/Agavi
12:57	Jarda	too little activity in trunk IMO..
13:01	saracen	There's some new stuff which Wombert says he's been working on, for 1.1. But he hasn't committed any of the code :(
13:03	horros	Let's hope he doesn't pour water all over his mac again then :)
13:03	digitarald	too bad ... liked it
13:04	digitarald	but need my updates ;)
13:09	_cheerios	topiikki.fi launched, more netmedia in finland
13:10	Jarda	yours?
13:11	_cheerios	nope, mine is still in the works.
13:11	_cheerios	that one seems to be built on top of midgard framework. have heard the name before, not familiar with it.
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14:31	saracen	RAWR RAWR RA RA RAWR ROMA ROMA MA GA GA OHHH LA LA
14:34	v-dogg	hear hear
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14:50	graste	anyone got some quick tips for using swiftmailer or similar to send newsletters with personalized content?
14:51	graste	are you implementing your own queues etc. or just send mails over SMTP to the mailserver so that it may send it etc.
14:52	graste	just checking options here :-)
14:52	saracen	You might want to take a look at http://www.mailchimp.com/
14:54	jurica	saracen: is mailchimp a hosted mailing list or a newsletter service? i dont geht it at first sight
14:55	v-dogg	newsletter
14:55	v-dogg	a.k.a SPAM
14:55	jurica	:D
14:56	saracen	It makes spamming people easy!
14:56	v-dogg	yes
14:56	v-dogg	a nice service considering the pricing
14:57	v-dogg	I use it for wife's business' spam^^^^ email marketing
14:57	jurica	:)
15:17	graste	I don't want to spam ppl
15:19	v-dogg	why not? I'd buy erection pills from you any day!
15:20	v-dogg	or invest into your business idea
15:20	graste	:)
15:20	jurica	v-dogg: ive got some lovely colored pills for you! :)
15:20	graste	I've got huge amounts of money I need to deposit on your account for 14 days
15:20	graste	!
15:21	v-dogg	heh, reminds me of Wombs buying pain killers here in Finland. bright red pills freaked him out :)
15:23	v-dogg	and he wanted a ton but you get to buy only one package at a time so three of us bought one package and then made a suspicious pocket-to-pocket swap in front of the pharmacy
15:24	v-dogg	I'm pretty sure the pharmacy clerk figured out what was going on :)
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15:30	jurica	v-dogg: "Wombs" = Wombert?
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15:41	MikeSeth	graste: we use a third party
15:42	MikeSeth	wrote a python client to work with it's [ass-ugly] SOAP API
15:42	MikeSeth	its*
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16:33	v-dogg	jurica: correct
16:48	jurica	haha i would have loved to see it
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19:34	hzilla	hi vlidation quesiton, is there some non-obvious behaviour with provides when using a base parameter in a dependent validator? my dependent validators don't run even though a providing validator is running
19:39	saracen	hzilla: pastie pastie
19:40	hzilla	http://pastie.org/1131964
19:40	hzilla	if i remove the depends then teh validators run
19:40	hzilla	response_id is x
19:41	hzilla	and matches and passed in to $rd
19:41	hzilla	something to do with teh bases i think
19:41	hzilla	i would like to know what the actual values of the provides switches are
19:41	hzilla	i don't think they are bools
19:43	v-dogg	there is an non-obvious bahaviour there indeed - base affects provides-depends
19:43	hzilla	thought so but how
19:44	v-dogg	http://blog.veikko.fi/post/68983308/agavi-tip-validation-gotchas
19:44	v-dogg	check the example and the note under it
19:44	v-dogg	(2nd example)
19:44	hzilla	yeh i came across that in my searches
19:45	hzilla	however i was still ahving strouble with sub-arrays
19:45	v-dogg	yeah, I have no idea how it behaves with those
19:46	hzilla	so in my example the provides 'custom' is the array 'question'? but then how do subsequent bases work i wonder
19:46	v-dogg	you probably need to dig the compiled validation xml and/or var_dump stuff in validation manager
19:46	hzilla	or is 'custom' the response_id?
19:47	hzilla	hmm ok
19:47	v-dogg	(or use some more sophisticated debug method like xdebug :)
19:47	saracen	I doubt it's as easy as question[][custom], but might be worth a try
19:48	v-dogg	(but that sort of stuff is for teh real pros and is a bit gay if you ask me :p)
19:48	saracen	I just resort to custom validators when stuff like this happens :D
19:48	hzilla	hey xdebug has been a lifesaver in the past!
19:49	hzilla	saracen: probably the right way to go...
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19:53	v-dogg	"There can be only one!" is on tonight! :D
19:54	v-dogg	(do you kids even the what I'm talking about?)
19:54	v-dogg	+know
19:55	Jarda	no
19:56	Jarda	v-dogg: I use xdebug, am I gay? (beware, you're my employer..)
19:58	saracen	did you mean employee?
19:58	v-dogg	beware of what exactly?-D
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19:59	v-dogg	beware to keep my pants on and not reaching for the soap in the shower
19:59	Jarda	I might sue you :D
19:59	Jarda	or the company
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20:00	saracen	Anybody else here that's part of your company, v-dogg?
20:04	steffkes	if so .. i have to move to the north, eh? *g
20:05	v-dogg	saracen: no :)
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20:07	v-dogg	and the movie I was talking about which just started is Highlander
20:07	hzilla	that's a movie about being gay
20:07	v-dogg	in my top 5 when I was a kid :)
20:09	Jarda	along with Top Gun? :)
20:09	Jarda	(also a gay movie)
20:09	v-dogg	haha
20:09	hzilla	totally top 5
20:09	hzilla	classics
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20:13	hzilla	yo in a custom validator, if u are validating an array and one of the items in teh arrow is invalid how do u throw an error so that u know which item in the array is invalid?
20:13	hzilla	arrow? array i mean
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08:44	_cheerios	huomenta
08:45	jurica	hiho
08:45	_cheerios	anyone done graphics in a while? trying to find out how to make a "growing tree" in JS
08:49	_cheerios	like first it has a branch, then another, another another... "blossoming" into a full tree. then i'd attach events on objects on those branches
09:02	jurica	javascript? :D
09:02	_cheerios	JS/canvas would be preferable
09:02	_cheerios	html5 is the saviour, right?!
09:03	_cheerios	i've seen these in flash, forgot the techniques name
09:03	_cheerios	fractal tree perhas
09:03	jurica	but you dont mean accodrion menus? that expand on click
09:04	_cheerios	http://www.krazydad.com/bestiary/bestiary_fern.html
09:04	_cheerios	like that
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09:04	jurica	ah you mean a "real" tree :)
09:05	_cheerios	yes :)
09:06	_cheerios	might need to implement something like this in November, need to research. gfx isn't my usual.
09:06	jurica	ive got no idea :)
09:10	jurica	did i ever mention that i hate vmware server 2?
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10:10	_cheerios	new ipod touch looking good
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10:11	_cheerios	$229 for 8GB, nom nom
10:12	_cheerios	free engraving? :)
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10:13	_cheerios	179e in finland, not bad
10:13	_cheerios	doh, that was the nano; clicked on a touch ad and got other stuff
10:14	_cheerios	249e
10:17	_cheerios	then i'd have the old touch with its 480x320 res, samsung with 800x480 and the new touch with 960x640 res to taptaptap
10:17	_cheerios	is apple going to fix safari and OnContentEditable so TinyMCe and the like work?
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10:55	luke`	huomenta
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11:52	dk_	Hey guys
11:52	dk_	I'm using ezTemplates with Agavi
11:52	dk_	the for loop example in http://ez.no/doc/ez_publish/technical_manual/4_x/templates/the_template_language/control_structures throws a ezcTemplateParserException with the message "Unknown block 'for'."
11:52	dk_	Any help?
11:54	Jarda	most likely has nothing to do with agavi if it raises some ezx* ecxeption
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11:55	dk_	yeah, thats what I figured too, any clue on what caused that?
11:55	Jarda	never used ezTemplates
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12:41	E_mE	huomenta
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12:42	E_mE	can i create a container which contains a specific locale, so say im using a container to send emails and i want the container to use en/ locale, do i just pass 'locale'=>'en' to the AgaviRequestDataHolder for the container?
12:42	E_mE	or will it attempt to use the context's locale
12:53	v-dogg	I can't access company's FB page. it says the profile is not available, please try again later. wtf?
12:54	Jarda	me neither
12:54	v-dogg	support@facebook.com?-)
12:54	v-dogg	who can I call and complain!
12:55	Jarda	v-dogg: you look fat in the picture :)
12:55	Jarda	(and The Boss looks thin) :D
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12:59	v-dogg	it's the wind blowing my shirt!
12:59	v-dogg	:)
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13:01	Jarda	(or the distorted perspective)
13:12	saracen	(or the pies that were eaten)
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15:32	Yossi_B	Huomenta
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18:31	Spica^	Hello!
18:32	Spica^	Could someone help me out with the following error: http://pastebin.com/nUiGw8ew
18:33	Spica^	What I believe that I have done to get the error is that I upgraded Agavi from 0.11 RC1 to 1.0.0 beta 7.
18:34	Spica^	I say believe because the project I am modifying is from two years back.
18:37	v-dogg	Spica^: http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1089
18:37	v-dogg	upgrading either Agavi or PHP should do the trick
18:40	Spica^	v-dogg: Thanks. I am running php 2.5.14 so its likely that I have to upgrade Agavi then.
18:40	Spica^	Will try.
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21:16	Jarda	can I disable "Welcome" module creation?
21:16	Jarda	I'm trying to automate my new project build process
21:19	saracen	Jarda: It doesn't get build if you dont use the project wizard, I dont think
21:19	Jarda	I want to use the project wizard
21:19	Jarda	as I want to have all the settings.xml etc prepopulated with specific project stuff
21:20	saracen	If you just use project-create, instead. You can then just use the action-wizard to setup your other stuff and project-configuration-set-system-action for system actions
21:20	Jarda	I could of course replace the cli helper with my own implementation, but I don't see how that would be cool
21:20	Jarda	hmm.. of course like that
21:20	Jarda	but would be nice to have all the default actions built along with the project
21:20	Jarda	there has to be some way to disable the welcome module :D
21:21	Jarda	hmm.. actually..
21:21	Jarda	it might be in the build templates?
21:21	saracen	Yeah, there probably is a way of just disabling the welcome module. I've just got used to removing it and deleting the route :)
21:21	saracen	Yeah, sounds likely
21:21	Jarda	I'm anyway going to override the default templates for this helper
21:21	Jarda	so have to dig around
21:23	Jarda	shower and sleep -->
21:23	asonge	i need advice.
21:23	asonge	the website i'm building has an audio feature...and i'm not using a frameset...and i want the audio to keep playing across the site
21:23	asonge	tl;dr: i'm making the entire site ajax'd
21:23	asonge	so i'm thinking of dumping a json of html snippets that need to be substituted
21:25	asonge	basically, {"#Css selector": {"html": <slot stuff here>}}
21:25	asonge	should i use slots really or ?
21:25	asonge	i'm just feeling kinda confused
21:25	asonge	too many ways to do this
21:31	sth	asonge: ...
21:32	asonge	i'm trying to think of how to reuse all the code i made in the executeHTML on the views
21:33	sth	slots I guess, but the view code will need to be duped.
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21:36	asonge	any suggestions on an easier way?
21:38	sth	I can't think of one, other than making a shared method.
21:39	graste	not really - just lots of slots that are reusable - having slots, that are simple when runs as slots and non-simple otherwise may help as well :-)
21:39	graste	-s
21:40	sth	you could cheat and put the shared code in the action, but that will be icky.
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23:05	jurica	hey anyone still around?
23:05	jurica	did you ever have had to handle large file uploads via http?
23:06	graste	check php.ini - max post body size and max file upload size :-D
23:07	jurica	yup i know this, but there are other inconveniences like not knowing how far the upload is and so on
23:07	jurica	progressbar would be desirable for example
23:10	graste	there's some rfc or apache mod for such a things - otherwise you should have a look at flash/ajax upload thingys as they are able to show you the progress
23:10	graste	I'd recommend the flash/ajax thing :-)
23:11	graste	you can do it w/ silverlight as well :D
23:11	jurica	im suffering of a serious flash aversion ;)
23:11	jurica	bah!
23:11	horros	There's an extension for PHP.
23:11	jurica	ok but you never done it yourself before?
23:11	horros	http://pecl.php.net/package/uploadprogress
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23:12	graste	that's the one I couldn't remember!
23:12	graste	never tried it though
23:12	graste	I've done it with flash hidden in the page
23:12	jurica	i know some/most of the options but dont know how to do it best
23:13	jurica	i found a real cool js thing yesterday: http://github.com/valums/file-uploader
23:13	jurica	as far as i understand it uses html5 and falls back to a hidden iframe if html5 isnt supported
23:14	jurica	but i have no idea how to use it with agavi though it brings an simple php example
23:29	graste	you can use that small php file w/o agavi and onUploadComplete you call agavi via XHR/JSON and tell it to do a local file upload from the location where the file-uploader left the file
23:29	graste	or you can do it on a few other ways ^^
23:30	graste	"local file upload" as in move it to your final destination
23:30	jurica	i had that ide already but thought it was stupid ^^
23:30	graste	^^
23:31	graste	well, why not - converting that script to an agavi module would probably work as well
23:31	jurica	i would prefer to have an action doing it but im afraid that its a shitload of work and hard to debug cause i have no clue what and how to validate
23:31	graste	you could validate a valid session etc
23:32	graste	(and of course the file-related validations)
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00:12	asonge	running php on fastcgi with agavi, and i get index.php in all my routes...what parameters can i use?
00:13	sth	you need to set the rewrite rules I guess
00:13	asonge	i did.
00:14	asonge	the router is generating bad url's
00:14	sth	Oh.
00:14	sth	I've never used agavi with fastcgi
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00:24	asonge	ah, fixed it
00:25	asonge	it's it's index.php?/foo not index.php/foo
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09:19	FMJaguar	_cheerios: http://matthewjamestaylor.com/blog/floating-boxes-css-layout
09:23	_cheerios	sweet, thanks!
09:25	FMJaguar	<3
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09:44	_cheerios	i wonder why the floating boxes layout isn't more popular
10:02	Jarda	ChanServ: it's not that easy to implement
10:02	Jarda	to work everywhere and always
10:02	Jarda	I like to develop my css with blueprint css
10:02	Jarda	oh.. _cheerios, not ChanServ
10:12	_cheerios	blueprint? is it that good?
10:14	_cheerios	the one thing that has become part of my toolstack on css-side is lesscss
10:15	Jarda	well I like blueprint
10:15	Jarda	but it is fixed width
10:15	Jarda	as scalable is hard as hell to do the right way
10:15	_cheerios	wondering because you've users on mobile, tables and desktop. so many different resolutions. why choose segments to piss on with fixed layouts?
10:16	Jarda	well I hate "scalable" web sitest, that look shit on my 1920px wide desktop browser
10:16	Jarda	and are almost unreadable with my android when not in portrait
10:17	Jarda	I always end up doing max-width and min-width
10:17	Jarda	and then I realize I could as well do fixed width..
10:19	_cheerios	width = device-width, height = device-height, initial-scale=1.0, maximum-scale=1.0
10:20	_cheerios	that's my current setup
10:20	_cheerios	adding this floating boxes layout and it'll be complete; 2 column if enough res, 1 column if not. <3
10:20	Jarda	well.. it could work
10:21	Jarda	but it always depends on the use case
10:21	_cheerios	true. well, my aim is to do a webpage that works good on mobile too.
10:21	_cheerios	(eg. no pinch zoom needed)
10:21	Jarda	it'll become very unusable, if your menu is supposed to be on the left and it then floats above the content
10:22	Jarda	and you need to scroll up down logn ways instead of left/right
10:22	Jarda	I like the way android browser behaves
10:22	_cheerios	just an ordering issue, menu was going the on the right anyhow
10:23	Jarda	the layout is fixed width, but the text contents are fitted to screen width
10:23	_cheerios	got a sample page i can browse?
10:23	Jarda	in example http://www.codesense.fi/
10:23	Jarda	ok, the menu isn't that good on mobile devices
10:24	_cheerios	requires zoom on my android #fail
10:24	Jarda	and I'm no graphics guru or a designer at all
10:24	Jarda	zoom?
10:25	_cheerios	the layout fits to screen, appearing post stamp -size. need to taptap to read.
10:25	_cheerios	i said taptap to read, heh
10:25	Jarda	hm
10:25	Jarda	not on my htc hero
10:26	Jarda	the text is fit to screen and zoomed 100%
10:26	_cheerios	i've default zoom: medium
10:26	_cheerios	(default settings in android on samsung)
10:26	Jarda	I have "set text size: Normal"
10:26	_cheerios	that i have same
10:27	Jarda	but no zoom option on my browser
10:27	_cheerios	i have auto-fit pages checked
10:27	_cheerios	that could be it
10:27	Jarda	no such setting..
10:28	_cheerios	k, android 2.1 here
10:28	_cheerios	hopefully patches soon for this laggy phone :<
10:29	Jarda	but yes, floating divs are very nice if you know what you are doing
10:29	Jarda	I usually don't :D
10:29	_cheerios	hey, i'm a pro, trust me. lol :)
10:29	Jarda	always when I try to do nicely scalable pages they look atleast shit on IE :D
10:29	Jarda	that's why I've started to use blueprint and fixed width
10:30	Jarda	ok, my pages look shit always
10:30	Jarda	but the layout gets fucked up with IE
10:31	Jarda	some day I'll learn how to use photoshop. Until that I just use html+css :)
10:33	_cheerios	im on linux, photoshop is a thing in the past
10:33	Jarda	well, gimp/pixelmator/whatever
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10:35	E_mE	is there a way i can pass a Container attribute into the extension value, e.g.: <ae:parameter name="extension">.mail.php</ae:parameter>
10:35	E_mE	i want to be able to specifiy something like: <ae:parameter name="extension">{$mylocale}.mail.php</ae:parameter>
10:35	E_mE	which i can define in the view its self
10:50	_cheerios	i had priority inbox in gmail in the morning, now it's gone as i got to work
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11:34	simoncpu	priority inbox makes things confusing
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13:14	Jarda	propel is getting rid of phing. How about agavi..
13:14	Jarda	it feels completely utterly stupid to need to install an additional tool to run the helpers..
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13:45	saracen	I say it uses Symfony's console helpers
13:46	Jarda	propel? no it doesn't..
13:47	saracen	Sorry, to rephrase, I think Agavi should use symfonys console helpers, to run it's helpers
13:48	Jarda	oh, +1 for that
13:48	Jarda	actually, +1 for moving all development to symfony
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16:14	sth	/clear/clear
16:14	sth	err
16:22	saracen	I think you're looking for
16:22	saracen	Oh wai- my text has just disappeared
16:23	sth	ur a poop stick.
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20:40	jurica	f*** a can of bear just exploded in my deepfreezer
20:41	Jarda	om nom nom
20:41	jurica	^^
20:46	v-dogg	can of bear :p
20:47	jurica	bear in a can = can of bear! :)
20:48	v-dogg	are you sure it wasn't just beer?
20:49	jurica	yep, it is the can that got leaky
20:59	jurica	oh
21:00	jurica	there are no bears in my fridge! :) its really beer :p
21:04	jurica	Jarda: i just saw in the irc log that youre using uploadify
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21:04	jurica	would you show me you're agavi action that handles the fileupload?
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22:03	steffkes	looks like a normal swfupload, doesnt it?
22:03	sth	yup
22:03	steffkes	and if so .. it's a normal http upload
22:03	steffkes	via post
22:03	steffkes	nothing special
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22:10	jurica	thanks for the advice
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22:11	jurica	vs AgaviFileValidator
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06:57	FMJaguar	<Jarda> actually, +1 for moving all development to symfony <-- ?? i'm moving from symfony to agavi
07:03	v-dogg	you need to recalibrate your sarcams detector
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09:23	Jarda	jurica: actually I can..: $this->getContext()->getModel('Files')->addFile($rd->getFile('file'))
09:23	Jarda	:D
09:25	Jarda	jurica: here's the validator http://gist.github.com/564991
09:26	Jarda	nothing very special
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10:23	jurica	Jarda: thanks! but what really hrld me back for hours yesterday was that i needed to pass the session id as argument to the swfoject
10:23	jurica	finally found it in the irc log that you had the same problem :)
10:23	jurica	would you show me your js that generates the flash button please?
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11:34	_cheerios	huomenta
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12:09	Jarda	jurica: oh, wait a second
12:13	Jarda	jurica: http://gist.github.com/565075
12:14	jurica	thanks again jarda
12:14	Jarda	no problem
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12:15	jurica	ah exaclty the same i use
12:16	jurica	whats the larges file you uploaded with it?
12:17	Jarda	well I tried with something like 150M .dmg
12:17	Jarda	and it went nice
12:17	Jarda	of course had to tweak the settings in php.ini
12:17	jurica	yep
12:18	jurica	i just have one last problem, my loggin session seems to run out while the upload is running, is that possible or was it jsut strange behavior? need to test this further...
12:18	jurica	but anywy where is the session time set?
12:20	Jarda	in factories.xml
12:21	Jarda	<storage class="AgaviSomethingStorage"><ae:parameter name="session_cookie_lifetime">900</ae:parameter></storage>
12:21	jurica	great thanks
12:23	jurica	is the amount givne in seconds or minutes?
12:29	Jarda	seconds afaik
12:37	jurica	yep just tested it
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14:33	horros	o_O
14:39	horros	Ah, there we go.
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17:58	_cheerios	why do i have so many bad ideas until a good one comes along...
18:09	jurica	yay tagging v1 of my app
18:11	_cheerios	i'm on like changeset million+ without release x_X
18:12	jurica	i call the minimum feature set fpr usage v1 :)
18:12	_cheerios	i'm almost at "v1" then :)
19:13	hzilla	_cheerios: perhaps because at the time u think that your bad ideas are good ones ;)
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20:31	jurica	which orm would you chose and why (for a mysql based app)
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20:35	Jarda	Propel. Because it's the best. :)
20:38	jurica	great answer
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20:51	v-dogg	jurica: are there really any other options besides Propel and Doctrine?
20:51	steffkes	jurica, have a look on doctrine2
20:52	v-dogg	of course "none". that's also pretty popular despite all the orm hype
20:52	jurica	i have no idea, i never used an orm in an php project but couchdb gives me trouble with all my relations
20:53	jurica	my options are: couch or switch to a sql db and im trying to figure out what would be the best solution
20:55	Jarda	well, I wouldn't go with Doctrine
20:56	Jarda	performance propel vs doctrine, propel wins 100-1
20:56	steffkes	against doctrine1 .. maybe, yes .. but not against doctrine2
20:57	Jarda	steffkes: what I've heard, d2 still uses heavy runtime inspection and dql always loses in perfomance..
20:57	steffkes	the main question while talking about an ORM is .. usability imho, and not really performance. everybody could use memcache/redis and stuff like that, if it's too slow
20:58	Jarda	and propelquery wins over dql 100-0
20:58	steffkes	Jarda, that may be .. i'm not familiar with the doctrine internals .. but, to be honest .. writing propel citeria shit .. is pita²
20:58	Jarda	steffkes: propel criteria is ancient history
20:58	steffkes	they changed it?
20:58	Jarda	PropelQuery is the current way
20:59	Jarda	Fooq
20:59	Jarda	dfafsda
20:59	Jarda	FooQuery::create()->filterByBar($bar)->find();
20:59	_cheerios	MY UNRELEASED ORM OFC
20:59	_cheerios	:)
20:59	v-dogg	:D
20:59	steffkes	ah, i see .. they are actually one version 1.5.2 .. k
20:59	_cheerios	ha, ancient php4ish syntax that propel, jarda!
21:00	jurica	_cheerios: if you would put it anywhere i would take a look at it ;)
21:01	Jarda	_cheerios: maybe, but my ide likes it..
21:01	Jarda	everyting autocompletes
21:01	Jarda	comparing to Doctrine_Query::select()->from('sometable')->where('Something = 1')-results()
21:01	Jarda	or something similar
21:01	_cheerios	Jarda, k. I never use autocomplete so I went with a short syntax -> Foo::filter(q::bar($bar))
21:01	Jarda	_cheerios: oh, that's completely undreadable
21:02	Jarda	write once - read never again
21:02	Jarda	the power of heavy code generation is readablitity and ide friendliness
21:03	_cheerios	a new syntax becomes second nature if it's logical.
21:03	jurica	propel looks cool, how does it integrate into agavi?
21:03	Jarda	jurica: nicely
21:03	jurica	i think i gonna give it a try
21:03	Jarda	well. as in you can give per environment configs via databases.xml
21:04	Jarda	and agavi handles also the autoloading of objects
21:04	Jarda	....classes
21:04	Jarda	sorry, have had a few classes of red wine already..
21:04	jurica	^^
21:05	Jarda	*glasses
21:05	Jarda	god damn
21:08	_cheerios	jurica, struggling to get my project to "v1" -- notime for github upload :)
21:08	jurica	:)
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21:09	jurica	grml cmd+w in the wring window
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04:12	hzilla	lo. ne1 got instructions for doctrine2 setup?
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18:56	hzilla	anyone got a doctrine 2 integration advice?
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19:13	Jarda	hzilla: saracen iirc has something working
19:18	saracen	hzilla: http://pastebin.com/ccNfcd6T
19:20	saracen	Some of the stuff to do with the class loader in the adaptor is probably redundant now, 'Entities' at the very least, as I just add all my namespaced models to autoload.xml
19:34	hzilla	oh thanks that's great
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20:34	Spica^	Hello!
20:34	Spica^	Is there anything in particular that I should take care of prior to updating (svn export) my copy agavi/src?
20:35	Spica^	(I hit http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1089 with my current version.)
20:38	Spica^	Other than clearing my app/cache I think.
20:38	Spica^	Works nicely.
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20:52	v-dogg	Spica^: agavi is 99.9% backwards compatible so you are usually pretty safe just upgrading
20:59	v-dogg	if in doubt or you run into troubles UPGRADING, RELEASENOTES etc. should help
21:15	Spica^	Bril. Thanks!
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09:11	everplays	i'm trying to use FirePHP with agavi, i tried http://adt.projectbin.org/ but i get > Fatal error: Call to a member function log() on a non-object in /srv/www/html/13/app/modules/Default/actions/IndexAction.class.php on line 19
09:11	everplays	here's IndexAction.class.php:19 $this->context->getLoggerManager()->log('Look Ma! Me debugging!', AgaviLogger::DEBUG);
09:11	v-dogg	enable logging in settings.xml
09:11	_cheerios	huomenta
09:12	Jarda	<setting name="logging">true</setting>
09:12	Jarda	or something similar
09:12	Yossi_B	London in 2 days!
09:13	everplays	logging was true but use_logging was false! (now both are true) still i have problem: Fatal error: Call to a member function getAttribute() on a non-object in /srv/www/html/13/libs/agavi/config/AgaviLoggingConfigHandler.class.php on line 112
09:14	Jarda	which agavi version?
09:14	everplays	Jarda: 1.0.3
09:15	Jarda	a sec, have to test
09:17	Jarda	ok, I don't have any adt loggers configured
09:17	Jarda	a longer sec
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09:19	Jarda	no, it works for me
09:19	jurica	good morning
09:20	Jarda	then you have to dig a bit deeper yourself
09:20	everplays	Jarda: hmm, i should notice that i commented <autoload name="AdtPropelDataSource">%core.app_dir%/../libs/adt/extras/AdtPropelDataSource.class.php</autoload>
09:21	v-dogg	everplays: there something fishy with your logging.xml
09:21	v-dogg	$defaultLogger = $cfg->getChild('loggers')->getAttribute('default'); <-- line 112
09:21	v-dogg	default logger missing?
09:21	Jarda	v-dogg: actually
09:22	Jarda	no loggers at all, my guess
09:22	Jarda	as getChild returns null if there's no "<loggers>" in config
09:22	v-dogg	true
09:23	everplays	v-dogg: http://pastie.org/1140996
09:23	v-dogg	clear cache
09:24	Jarda	heyhey
09:24	Jarda	you have duplicate loggers
09:24	Jarda	which both contain a "debug" logger
09:24	Jarda	even if that's not against the schema definition, it's still not desired most likeluy
09:25	v-dogg	and also default="default" vs. default="debug"
09:25	Jarda	yup
09:25	Jarda	you could only add the AdtRequestLogAppender to your existing debug logger
09:26	Jarda	no need to redeclare loggers :)
09:26	everplays	ahh! thanks v-dogg, Jarda. now works :)
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09:40	saracen	Thanks Arran,
09:41	saracen	Gabe actually did pass your previous email on to me and a few others who know about this stuff. You are right of course that the community site has no protection against CSRF currently. We didn't worry about it much for a while, but now with the WebAPI/OpenID stuff the severity is a little higher as sites can know you are logged in. We'll be doing some anti CSRF stuff in the near future.
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11:00	jurica	how do you trac database changes in your projects? do you use any migrations tools?
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11:10	horros	jurica: http://www.davedevelopment.co.uk/2008/04/14/how-to-simple-database-migrations-with-phing-and-dbdeploy/
11:10	horros	jurica: That's what I use, albeit it's a bit modified.
11:11	horros	and cow-worker is working on a brand new thingamawhizz
11:14	saracen	erm
11:28	_cheerios	jurica: my setup is a a db-table that keeps track of executed migrations, and then a migrations/ folder with pure .sql migrations or .py/.php -files that implement a migrate() function.
11:29	jurica	i stumbled across http://code.google.com/p/mysql-php-migrations/ yesterday and was wondering if anyone knows it
11:29	jurica	thanks for youre tips _cheerios and horros
11:36	_cheerios	i looked at that mysql-php-migrations, author sure likes to abstract a simple thing into something that looks complex :)
11:36	jurica	at first sight it doestn look that comlicated to me
11:37	jurica	having a down and up migrations is very reasonable
11:38	_cheerios	comparing to a hand-rolled single file 100-line object, it gave me that effect.
11:39	jurica	if it works i dont mind how big the object is :) and i really got used to a good migration tool
11:39	jurica	the one we use in/with our java app is awesome
11:40	_cheerios	i wonder what the rationale for down-migrations is; "we want to go BACKWARDS in our company!" makes for a cool tech demo, but... shrug
11:41	jurica	lets say you're migration works on mysql but not on an other db but you already commited that migration then you need a defined way back and rewrite the broken migration
11:42	_cheerios	there's bigger problems to fix first if there's an architecture like that :(
11:42	jurica	was just an quick example
11:44	jurica	or lets say you want to go back for any reason, imho the availability of down migrations can be useful
11:44	_cheerios	if that's how you want to roll, sure. it's not my style that's all.
11:49	jurica	yep
11:50	jurica	i think ill give it a try
12:02	FMJaggy	when is the brand new thingamawhizz coming out? or is it private
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13:12	everplays	guys i get AgaviDatabaseException (Database "" does not exist) on "AgaviDatabaseManager::getDatabase()->getConnection()" here's my databases.xml & its cached version http://pastie.org/private/uy9c2xhqkvjqy1os3fvmg
13:17	v-dogg	$this->getContext()->getDatabaseConnection() or something gives the default connection
13:18	v-dogg	your way requires the connection name
13:27	everplays	v-dogg: thanks dude, works fine :P actually i need to get dsn to use with ezComponent, any idea?
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13:31	v-dogg	$ctx->getDatabaseManager()->getDatabase()->getParameter('dsn'); perhaps
13:33	everplays	s/perhaps// :)
13:36	Rendez	huomenta!
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13:54	_cheerios	omg, I NEVER found Mac's printer settings.
13:55	_cheerios	seems you get to option via a big blue button that looks like a dropdown-button next to a dropdown in the Print-page
13:55	jurica	what?
13:55	_cheerios	they could've just named it "options" or something...
14:00	jurica	_cheerios: do you mean that blue button next to the printer select dropdown list?
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14:01	_cheerios	yep
14:01	jurica	its like every os x dialog expands
14:02	jurica	in apps where you open/save files you can show the complete view of folder structures with that same button
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14:04	_cheerios	hmm, haven't done that ever either. a mac thing i've never understood yet then. to me it seemed like something extra next to the functionality (choosing the printer).
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14:05	jurica	it is, by default the default settings are used, so why should you show them everytime you print, ich you want do change something click that button :) i like the way and imho its the same on windows isnt it?
14:06	_cheerios	it's good, just i didn't "see" it. if it was labeled (options <>), i probably would've.
14:07	_cheerios	dunno about windows, on ubuntu you have Printer Preferences
14:08	jurica	if youre lucky and own a printer with linux drivers :p
14:09	_cheerios	i hardly ever print anything. did today for someone else.
14:10	jurica	since my printer at home died i dont even own one myself anymore
14:10	_cheerios	i've never kept one. ugly things :9
14:10	jurica	yep
14:10	jurica	terrible monsers
14:11	jurica	s/monsers/monsters
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14:16	_cheerios	are there many open py/php jobs in germany these days?
14:16	jurica	i have no idea ^^
14:20	_cheerios	what process monitor system do you guys use? monit? supervisor? god? daemontools?
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15:26	_cheerios	(for the finns -- quick-cash parody) http://pikavilppi.fi
15:27	Jarda	wtf, made a monster javascript/ajax/json/foobar thingie and it worked out of box with ie6
15:27	Jarda	I just might be the most greatest js developer ever :D
15:28	_cheerios	probably better to have it work on other browsers beside ie6 now in 2010 :)
15:29	Jarda	my workflow: develop againsta firefox, test with ie6. If 1+1=2 => it works in every browser :)
15:29	sth	Jarda: I doubt it :)
15:29	sth	I just ignore <IE8
15:31	Jarda	well. our js is unobtrusive, so we could just make ie6 not to load the javascript files
15:31	Jarda	they would just get a shittier interface
15:31	Jarda	fair enough imo, but as far almost everything is working also with ie
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19:42	Jarda	hmm.. can I just add stuff to build templates and hope they get generated? :)
19:42	Jarda	or should I add custom build targets
19:48	Jarda	v-dogg: I know you know :)
20:07	v-dogg	what are you trying to do?
20:31	Jarda	adding some files to dev
20:31	Jarda	that I _always_ want to have there
20:31	Jarda	with project wizard
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20:34	v-dogg	custom phing target is all I can suggest
20:41	Jarda	sounds not fun..
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20:47	Jarda	ok, so I don't know how to use build templates..
20:57	graste	btw guys...I'm leaving Agavi for DOPE: http://www.secretgeek.net/dod_intro.asp :\
20:57	graste	DOD
20:57	graste	=)
20:58	jurica	bb and have fun :p
20:59	graste	:>
21:00	jurica	i like the logo :)
21:00	graste	wents off to c:\agavi-faq\>cp agavi-faq.html dod-faq.html
21:44	v-dogg	agavi-fap
21:45	graste	:)
21:47	graste	anyone here used cucumber with php/agavi?
21:47	graste	or cucumber at all?
21:52	v-dogg	cucumber om nom nom
21:53	graste	:>
21:53	graste	just read http://github.com/camelpunch/piracy/tree/master/features
21:53	graste	=)
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00:56	hzilla	hey if i have a form in a slot and there is a validation error, how do i pass the validation error back up to the calling view so that the FPF populates the form. It won't populate as a slot on error atm
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02:11		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
02:11		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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02:11		Channel #agavi created Sun Nov 26 07:43:22 2006
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06:40	Jarda	is there a way to "append" a route?
06:40	Jarda	I mean,
06:40	Jarda	you can do $ro->gen('routename+rss'); that produces something like /myroute.rss
06:41	Jarda	but if I already have an url but I want to "append" the .rss without messing up the parameters
06:41	Jarda	of course I can hack this with some magic string functions but..
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07:55	jeeez	hi, i get ' Call to a member function getDatabase() on a non-object in <file>' when i try http://pastebin.com/kP1GuexR in the model
08:02	v-dogg	$1 on use_database=false in settings.xml
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08:36	Jarda	$pdo = $this->getContext()->getDatabaseConnection();
08:36	Jarda	(most likely a shortcut of what you are doing)
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09:07	_cheerios	was wondering, is there a tool out there to a make a video replay of a repository, to see eg. /'s web design evolution over time?
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09:39	_cheerios	MikeSeth: if you're doing py-dev, check out uwsgi, it's faptastic.
09:41	_cheerios	having lots of sign-in errors w/android to my google accounts lately... i wonder what's up
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10:17	tlkshadow	Hello
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10:21	tlkshadow	I'am back with my Content-Encoding Error. I updated to the newest Version of Agavi (1.0.3) and i updated also the configuration files. But if i want to update the output_types.xml to this http://pastebin.com/4e6KmqMd from this http://pastebin.com/qHCasE6v i get an Content-Encoding error too
10:21	tlkshadow	i have no idea why? PHP Version ist 5.2.9 is this maybe the reason?
10:23	tlkshadow	debuging is nearly impossible ...
10:23	tlkshadow	i dont get agavi exeptions only Content-Encoding errors
10:23	v-dogg	Content-Encoding error? from where?
10:24	tlkshadow	From the browser
10:24	v-dogg	never seen
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10:24	tlkshadow	i dont get any AgaviExeptions
10:24	tlkshadow	and i have no idea why
10:25	tlkshadow	its the first time i miss agavi exeptions
10:25	v-dogg	wait. "from the browser" means the browser gives the error or you mean you see the error page in a browser?
10:25	v-dogg	paste the error (pastebin)
10:25	v-dogg	but I find it hard to believe it has anything to do Agavi
10:25	tlkshadow	see the error page in the browser
10:26	v-dogg	"from the browser"? ...
10:26	tlkshadow	so i have the url www.exaple.com/obt/documents/upload
10:26	v-dogg	where does the error come from. do you have a stack trace or any real information for us?
10:27	tlkshadow	no nothing
10:27	tlkshadow	i post a file in a from
10:27	tlkshadow	and after this i get an Content-Encoding
10:27	tlkshadow	error
10:28	tlkshadow	mom
10:28	tlkshadow	http://pastebin.com/HjGJHRmE
10:29	tlkshadow	i now the if i write exit before $file->move($upload_path.$filename); the page stops at the exit
10:29	tlkshadow	if i write exit(); after $file->move($upload_path.$filename); i get an Content-Encoding error
10:30	tlkshadow	why i dont get any agavi exeptions
10:31	v-dogg	are you working in development environment?
10:32	tlkshadow	yes
10:34	tlkshadow	new infos
10:34	tlkshadow	$file->move is working
10:34	tlkshadow	but i get still the Content-Encoding error
10:34	tlkshadow	so i dont return to the fileuploadpage
10:42	Jarda	tlkshadow: I guess you have some weird characters in your $upload_path or $filename
10:43	Jarda	and php raises a notice
10:43	Jarda	and your browser can't encode it or something similar
10:44	Jarda	try with a different browser
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10:44	Jarda	give us a screenshot of what's happening
10:44	Jarda	something
10:45	tlkshadow	the filename ist 300_165380.jpg
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10:49	tlkshadow	http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6473/contentencodingerror.jpg
10:49	tlkshadow	nothing to see
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10:54	tlkshadow	i wrote in { in the middle of the code. Normaly i get an agavi exeption or?
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10:58	tlkshadow	i add throw new AgaviException('FUBAR bla bla'); and i dont get an agavi exeption
10:58	horros	tlkshadow: "Ung?ltige oder unbekannte Form der Kompression verwendet" would to be indicate that there's something wrong with the setup of the server.
10:59	horros	If my lousy German isn't letting me down, it seems to say that the compression used (say, gzip or whatever) when sending the page is, well, unknown.
10:59	tlkshadow	hmm
11:00	tlkshadow	ok the provider said he has no ideas
11:00	tlkshadow	what they have to look at?
11:02	horros	Probably something with mod_deflate if the server is running Apache.
11:02	horros	Other than that, I've no idea, I'm afraid.
11:04	tlkshadow	is an lightHttpd
11:05	horros	I know absolutely nothing about that :(
11:05	tlkshadow	hmm ok
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11:06	jurica	did you configure that lighty youreself?
11:07	tlkshadow	no provider
11:09	jurica	if horros is right it might be mod_compress
11:10	MikeSeth	hay guise
11:11	tlkshadow	mod_... is nut usesed on an lighthttpd
11:11	tlkshadow	nut = not
11:13	tlkshadow	i have an error Fatal error: Call to a member function getDefaultMessageClass() on a non-object in /home/appdev.mach3.de/htdocs.svn/library/agavi/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php on line 195
11:18	tlkshadow	why i get this error?
11:19	MikeSeth	older Agavi version?
11:20	MikeSeth	actually hmm
11:20	MikeSeth	yeah
11:20	MikeSeth	in the last version they made changes to the logging classes which broke compatibility
11:20	MikeSeth	tlkshadow: upgrade to latest Agavi
11:21	MikeSeth	you also may have some sort of version conflict if you e.g. have two copies of agavi installed
11:22	tlkshadow	my agavi version ist 1.0.3
11:24	MikeSeth	tlkshadow: ohhh.. then you maybe need to enable logging in app/config/settings.xml
11:25	MikeSeth	also http://pastebin.com/HjGJHRmE
11:25	MikeSeth	$arrParameters['created_by'] = $_SESSION['user']['id_user']
11:25	MikeSeth	this is wrong
11:25	MikeSeth	use $this->getContext()->getUser()->getAttribute()
11:26	MikeSeth	and respectively setAttribute()
11:26	MikeSeth	also don't do this
11:26	MikeSeth	mkdir($upload_path,0777);
11:26	MikeSeth	it's dangerous
11:27	tlkshadow	the server is only in my company reachable
11:27	tlkshadow	ip blocked
11:27	MikeSeth	bad habit regardless
11:28	tlkshadow	ok so i removed $_SESSION....
11:29	tlkshadow	but still Content-Enconding..
11:29	MikeSeth	can you show me the error?
11:30	tlkshadow	http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6473/contentencodingerror.jpg
11:30	MikeSeth	lighttpd?
11:31	tlkshadow	yes
11:32	MikeSeth	hmmm
11:33	MikeSeth	firefox?
11:33	MikeSeth	yeah
11:33	MikeSeth	what about other browsers?
11:33	tlkshadow	ie said: connection problems
11:35	tlkshadow	so the page will show in executeRead but if i post the File i get the contentEncodingerror
11:38	MikeSeth	well, put a die() in the success view that runs after the upload
11:39	MikeSeth	upload a file - what happens?
11:42	tlkshadow	nothing
11:42	tlkshadow	i put it in ublic function executeHtml(AgaviRequestDataHolder $rd)
11:43	tlkshadow	even if i write it in the first line nothing happens
11:44	tlkshadow	sorry the view dies!
11:44	MikeSeth	so you get a blank screen?
11:45	MikeSeth	paste the view code
11:45	tlkshadow	http://pastebin.com/1i8BLLwp
11:48	MikeSeth	hmm
11:48	MikeSeth	do you have firebug/tamperdata?
11:48	tlkshadow	i have both
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11:48	MikeSeth	use firebug to see what headers are returned from the write method after you upload the file
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11:50	tlkshadow	how i can see the headers after the write method
11:54	tlkshadow	-----------------------------11538186919912\r\nContent-Disposition: form-data; name="files"; filename="300_165380.jpg"\r\nContent-Type: image/jpeg\r\n\r\n????
11:55	MikeSeth	uhhh
11:55	MikeSeth	why does it even return a jpeg file?
11:55	MikeSeth	and this makes no sense
11:55	tlkshadow	because the posted file is an jpg file?!
11:56	MikeSeth	yes but I was talking about the response headers
11:56	MikeSeth	not about the request ones
11:56	MikeSeth	so you posted the wrong ones ;>
11:56	tlkshadow	oh =9
11:56	tlkshadow	=)
11:56	tlkshadow	so Status: Internal Server error - 500
11:56	tlkshadow	X-Powerd-by PHP 5.2.8
11:57	tlkshadow	Content-Encoding: gzip
11:57	tlkshadow	Vary = Accept-Encoding
11:57	tlkshadow	Content-Type application/xhtml+xml; charset=utf-8
11:57	tlkshadow	Transfer-Encoding chunked
11:57	MikeSeth	oh ho
11:58	MikeSeth	so first is that you have a 500 error
11:58	tlkshadow	Server = lighthttpd/1.4.22
11:58	MikeSeth	the second is that you have gzip on
11:58	MikeSeth	so the first thing to do is disable gzip
11:58	MikeSeth	either in php.ini or lighttpd.conf
11:58	tlkshadow	ok the provieder said that gzip is off =)
11:58	MikeSeth	well they are lying because it clearly says its on
11:59	tlkshadow	ok
11:59	MikeSeth	gzip is probably what's causing the firefox error
11:59	tlkshadow	i call im right now
11:59	MikeSeth	when its gone you will see the normal exception page
12:02	tlkshadow	they are looking =)
12:05	MikeSeth	haha right
12:15	tlkshadow	they say the compression moduls is disabled
12:21	tlkshadow	we found something strange in the plainText Response
12:21	tlkshadow	in the first line there is written 1ece
12:27	tlkshadow	so the page ist running
12:27	tlkshadow	http://pastebin.com/sSLuQjXe
12:30	tlkshadow	view the first line
12:30	tlkshadow	this is the error
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12:30	tlkshadow	1ece
12:30	tlkshadow	and we are now looking why this is there standing
12:31	tlkshadow	i found the error it was an & in the navigation
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12:32	tlkshadow	but i still dont see the agavi exeption. but it seems to be an server side error
12:32	tlkshadow	thanks for the help
12:32	tlkshadow	i will tell if we found anything
12:33	MikeSeth	<tlkshadow> in the first line there is written 1ece
12:33	MikeSeth	that's a compression signature
12:34	MikeSeth	you may have php's builtin compression enabled
12:34	MikeSeth	what does phpinfo() say?
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12:35	MikeSeth	(compression may be enabled both in the webserver AND php so they could've disabled one but not the other)
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12:41	tlkshadow	what is etczip.ini
12:42	MikeSeth	no idea
12:42	MikeSeth	sounds suspicious
12:44	tlkshadow	yes
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12:53	tlkshadow	what is the exeption output? How he looks like is the question of the serveradmin
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12:53	tlkshadow	what returncode ?!
12:56	Jarda	one thing you could try, is to change your exception template from shiny.php to plaintext.php
12:56	Jarda	the shiny template is known to break
12:56	Jarda	although only with invalid xml
12:56	Jarda	some setting, don'r remember which
12:56	Jarda	either in settings.xml or output_types.xml
12:58	tlkshadow	i have changed it
12:58	tlkshadow	but ther is still an compression code
12:58	tlkshadow	4ce
13:01	MikeSeth	tlkshadow: run phpinfo() see what it says about compression
13:03	tlkshadow	so i go to lunch. ill be back in an half hour
13:03	tlkshadow	than i will show the phpinfo
13:03	tlkshadow	ok?
13:07	MikeSeth	lunch sounds nice
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13:45	tlkshadow	MikeSeth this is my phpinfo ... as HTML http://pastebin.com/46s3YzR4
13:46	tlkshadow	maybe u can see the compressin module which is sill running...
13:47	v-dogg	couldn't you copy the content instead of the html source
13:48	saracen	I just had a kitcat for breakfast
13:49	v-dogg	yes, I remember that ad - "have a breakfast, have a kitkat"
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14:02	horros	humms
14:04	tlkshadow	http://pastebin.com/gXCXw9Hd
14:06	saracen	v-dogg: :P
14:06	horros	Hmm. Is there a way to merge two PropelObjectCollections?
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14:15	MikeSeth	tlkshadow: it looks like you don't have PHP level compression
14:15	MikeSeth	tlkshadow: do a request to your server that doesn't trigger PHP; do you still see gzip headers in request/response?
14:20	tlkshadow	so a simple HTML page? or what?
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14:24	saracen	tlkshadow: yeah
14:25	tlkshadow	hmm modrewrite is working
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14:33	tlkshadow	the html file is not compressed
14:34	tlkshadow	no gzip headers
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14:46	tlkshadow	MikeSeth so the server admin found maybe the reason
14:47	tlkshadow	there is a satic-file-compression script running in the background. its in the default setup
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14:47	tlkshadow	now he is testing what happend when he shut it down
14:49	MikeSeth	tlkshadow: yep.
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19:11	hzilla	hi just starting to play with testing. how might i setup a test to test a listing model that lists doctrine records? is there any tutorial on this area? thx
19:13	steffkes	hzilla, doctrine 1 or 2?
19:15	hzilla	at the moment testing d2
19:15	hzilla	but might want to do 1.2 also
19:17	steffkes	okay and what exactly do you want to test? because actually .. the big difference between dc1 and dc2 .. is the system the use to work. dc1 needs to extend a base-class .. dc2 .. not
19:17	steffkes	for example
19:18	hzilla	well using d2 i have a file listing model which takes a page and row count and returns results
19:18	hzilla	the results are an array of d2 classes
19:19	saracen	a listing model that lists doctrine models?
19:20	hzilla	no a listing model that lists an object array of type File which is my d2 model
19:21	hzilla	file is just a table with a few basic fields and 100 records in it
19:21	saracen	Not sure what a listing model is. Unless you mean like a container, for File models. Like, a Directory model with contains File models
19:21	hzilla	like a pager
19:22	hzilla	using the d2 pagination extension i can set a page and row count and get a set an array of objects back
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19:23	MrJeep	kellyt
19:23	steffkes	we are not talking about unit-tests eh? more about .. functional-tests is the correct name therefore eh?
19:24	hzilla	well i think its a unit of a sort no?
19:24	hzilla	anyway the point is how to setup the data so tthat the asertion is tested correctly
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19:24	steffkes	but normally .. unit-tests are working with a mocked database .. so w/o any real db-operation?
19:25	hzilla	oh i see. well how would one test this without real data?
19:25	hzilla	or test data?
19:25	steffkes	static one .. called fixtures, http://www.phpunit.de/manual/current/en/database.html
19:27	hzilla	mm well i guess the unit test is not so important then - a functiontal test with the doctrine data is more complete i think
19:28	steffkes	then you want to read a little bit about selenium? :)
19:28	hzilla	go on then
19:28	hzilla	i 'll have a look...
19:29	steffkes	http://www.phpunit.de/manual/3.1/en/selenium.html
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19:31	hzilla	maybe i should do one step at a time...
19:31	steffkes	functional tests are really more complicated then unit ones
19:32	steffkes	the cover to "complete spectrum" you need both .. of course, but unit tests need definitive less time then functional tests
19:32	steffkes	and depending on your app .. unit tests cover most
19:34	hzilla	so how can my listing model be tested as a unit when it is trying to access a doctrine database?
19:36	steffkes	sorry, it's actually very easy, to point you on the phpunit manual ;) http://www.phpunit.de/manual/3.3/en/test-doubles.html
19:41	hzilla	ok thanks - i guess i'm in php unit territory now then
19:41	steffkes	it's really a good advise to read the complete tutorial first .. and then to start with his example
19:42	steffkes	yes, that is really very basic .. but he explains very detailed, what you have to unit to write good tests
19:42	hzilla	ok will do. thanks
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20:46	jurica	wich bugtrackers do you use?
20:46	jurica	+h
20:49	graste	redmine, mantis atm
20:49	graste	depending on projects
20:50	jurica	i want something simple its a one man project
20:50	jurica	so far i just know trac
20:50	graste	I like redmine the most from all the ones I tried (like jira, trac, mantis etc.)
20:50	jurica	why?
20:50	graste	hm
20:51	graste	mainly tickets w/ subversion integration
20:51	graste	like "refs #123" or "fixes #33" or "closes #543"
20:51	jurica	subversion integration is not that important since i use git
20:51	graste	in commit message
20:51	jurica	ah
20:52	graste	dunno which SCMs are integrated with redmine
20:52	graste	I only use svn at work
20:52	jurica	SVN, CVS, Git, Mercurial, Bazaar and Darcs :)
20:52	graste	hm
20:52	graste	http://www.simonecarletti.com/blog/2009/07/configuring-git-repository-with-redmine/
20:52	graste	should work :-)
20:52	graste	you can google the others :p
20:53	graste	cvs, poor you :>
20:53	jurica	SVN, CVS, Git, Mercurial, Bazaar and Darcs <- that what redmines site says ;)
20:53	graste	p
20:53	graste	ah okay
20:54	jurica	i like redmines interface
20:55	graste	I like it, that it's not overblown with features (while you can get a lot w/ plugins or whatever), but makes sorting features and defining own searches simple
20:55	jurica	i think ill try it
20:55	graste	you may define own trackers and manage multiple projects
20:55	graste	etc pp
20:56	graste	give it a try :-)
20:56	_cheerios	notepad as bugtracker, lone cowboy
20:56	graste	^^
20:56	jurica	setting up ruby scares me a bit
20:56	jurica	hehe
20:56	graste	CHANGELOG & TODO should be enough for everyone :p
20:56	graste	well, it's pretty simple with their install page, BUT still a lot of steps :-)
20:56	graste	apt-get everything ^^
20:57	jurica	:)
20:57	graste	oh and using mongrel for hosting is so much faster (instead of the builtin webrick server)
20:57	graste	but for a simple try that's not important, I guess ^^
21:01	jurica	ok thanks for the advice
21:12	steffkes	that BT has the simplest interface, i've ever seen .. but it's hosted -.- http://sifterapp.com/
21:13	asonge	i've got an API version part of my routing...how can i make it so that i don't have to add it to every validator xml file?
21:19	asonge	any clues? :(
21:20	jurica	i dont understand youre problem
21:21	asonge	i've got 2 slightly different sets of output for a mobile site and the embedded version of an iphone app
21:21	graste	asonge
21:21	asonge	which is best dealt with conditionals in my templates
21:21	graste	parent validator
21:21	asonge	but i need to get that piece of data to every action
21:22	graste	http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_16
21:23	graste	it's often params like "page number " or "offset" or whatever
21:23	graste	that you need everywhere
21:23	graste	put them in your project's parent validators.xml
21:23	graste	or define default sets of validators with shortnames
21:23	graste	to be used in other places
21:24	graste	aehm
21:24	graste	#validation_18
21:24	graste	my fault
21:24	graste	:>
21:25	asonge	thanks, got it
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01:26	saracen	sth: Is it really your birthday today, or are you fakebooking?
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08:07	jeeez	can someone have a look at this? http://pastebin.com/0rM9LHEn i need to know how to validate the checkboxes.
08:08	jeeez	The checkboxes are generated dynamically in the template
08:08	v-dogg	jeeez: http://blog.veikko.fi/post/68983308/agavi-tip-validation-gotchas
08:09	v-dogg	"Validating Array Inputs"
08:09	jeeez	already there, i should use ...<arguments base="rows[]"> <argument/> </argument>... i guess?
08:09	v-dogg	validation is easy but in case of an error you need to be able to re-generate the HTML which can be tricky if you create stuff dynamically especially on the client-side
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08:10	jeeez	i guess that's the problem :\
08:12	Jarda	it's not that hard, actually
08:12	Jarda	numeric indexes for the array and a hidden field before the checkbox
08:12	Jarda	so that you generate
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08:13	Jarda	<input type="hidden" name="myDynamicCheckBox[123]" value="0" /> <input type="checkbox" name="myDynamicCheckBox[123] value="1" />
08:13	Jarda	that way you can always see what was in the request data and according to that regenerate your checkboxes
08:14	v-dogg	or another option might be client-side validation for user-friendliness and if things still go sour on the server-side (client tampered with validation or javascript was disabled) just dump the data and abuse the user
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08:14	Jarda	v-dogg: or that. Actually the easier route..
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08:45	_cheerios	http://scribe.googlelabs.com/ neat
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08:59	jeeez	sorry, had a small interruption. :\
09:00	jeeez	thanks for the tip, i'm generating the data in both views [error and input] now :)
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09:07	tlkshadow	good moring =)
09:07	tlkshadow	new errors :) Compilation failed: unrecognized character after (? at offset 2 in /library/agavi/util/AgaviDecimalFormatter.class.php on line 715
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11:10	_cheerios	learned me some more bash then to pass the morning
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11:38	_cheerios	is there still a way to pool connections when using mysql?
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13:19	jeeez	what is the default value for the method parameter in the validator tag? read write or both? :\
13:19	v-dogg	"anything"
13:19	v-dogg	(so "both" in normal web context)
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19:10	_cheerios	jee
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21:13	Jarda	hmm..
21:13	Jarda	so.
21:14	Jarda	it isn't enough to just set request type to DELETE to make executeDelete() executed?
21:14	Jarda	I'm doing a DELETE request and all I get is the contents of executeRead
21:15	steffkes	how are you executing the delete reuqest Jarda ?
21:15	steffkes	s/reuqest/request
21:15	Jarda	jquery
21:16	Jarda	but I see from the headers, it really does a DELETE request
21:16	Jarda	and also from apache log
21:16	graste	Jarda: try executeRemove()
21:16	graste	that's the default mapping imho
21:16	Jarda	but why does it run executeRead() ?
21:17	graste	did you try execute()?
21:17	Jarda	oh yeah, executeRemove did the trick
21:17	Jarda	thanks
21:17	graste	:)
21:17	graste	first faq entry btw
21:17	graste	updated it a few weeks ago
21:17	Jarda	I got confused because it ran executeRead so I thought it was just transforming DELETE -> GET
21:18	Jarda	but now, off to sleep
21:18	graste	when you try HEAD requests remember to not send a body
21:18	graste	took me a few minutes back then ^^
21:18	Jarda	my first DELETE ever, and I did do it with a browser ;)
21:18	Jarda	-->
21:18	graste	:D
21:26	jurica	Jarda: would you let see me that jquery code please?
21:28	steffkes	jurica, never seen an 'method' : 'DELETE' ? *g
21:28	_cheerios	wombert: dude, your tumblrs been tumbled.
21:29	jurica	steffkes: not yet :p
21:30	_cheerios	i counted i've done 637 tasks for http://heimoi.com so far, 9 remain till launch.
21:31	_cheerios	"weekend project"
21:31	_cheerios	avg. of 57 tasks per month ~1.9 tasks per day
21:32	_cheerios	sounds about right when working evenings only, plus more at weekends
21:32	jurica	wtf i also want 7 day weekends!
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23:07	__cheerios	meep
23:08	__cheerios	anyone know a cure for log rotation? stuff in /var/log, eg /mysql/ stops logging after a daily log-rotation run.
23:08	__cheerios	bb tomorrow
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23:11	FMJaggy	does the rotator create the new file?
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23:12	FMJaggy	if so, check permissions on the file... if not, check permissions on the directory to see if the loguser can create the file
23:17	jurica	after rotating the service should be restarted, most apps dont like changing the log files on the fly
23:17	jurica	hopes _cheerios will read the logs ^^
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06:25	FMJaggy	isn't there a xss hole when deleting directly from the link?
08:02	v-dogg	what?-)
08:06	Jarda	FMJaggy: what do you mean?
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08:33	_cheerios	huomenta
08:41	FMJaggy	Jarda: lets say that is on your site (x.com/item/delete), i send you to a page on (y.com) that contains code that requests (x.com/item/delete)... if your browser is not explictly logged out of (x.com), won't your items be deleted by that
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08:48	DK	Hey ppl. why does $this->getContext() return NULL when called inside the initialize() of the base action class?
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08:49	v-dogg	DK: you haven't called parent::initialize
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08:50	Jarda	FMJaggy: depends a bit.. If you have Delete action, you of course would show in input view something like "Are you sure you want to delete?"
08:50	DK	so i should call parent::initialize first, then $this->getContext?
08:50	Jarda	but there is a problem, if they post directly to your action
08:51	Jarda	I'm doing delete atm with DELETE method, and you can't call that via javascript from a different domain
08:51	Jarda	DK: yup
08:52	DK	what do I pass to initialize() it says I missed a parameter
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08:52	Jarda	hey wait a bit
08:53	Jarda	how are you creating your model?
08:53	Jarda	actually, nothing
08:53	Jarda	yes, you call it with parent::initialize($ctx, $parameters)
08:54	Jarda	as your initialize has the signature of initialize(AgaviContext $ctx, $parameters = array());
08:54	Jarda	and $ctx->getModel() always passes itself to the initialize-method
08:54	v-dogg	base action was what he said
08:55	v-dogg	but same rule applies
08:55	Jarda	I have trouble with reading today
08:55	v-dogg	agaviaction::context is initialized in agaviaction::initialize(context, parameters) so before that's called it'll be null
08:56	v-dogg	so, if you override initilize() you need to call parent::initialize
08:56	v-dogg	/topic OO Basics Course. NOW!
08:57	everplays	hi, guys i get > Fatal error: Configuration file "/var/www/html/13/app/config/autoload.xml" does not have a registered handler in /var/www/html/13/libs/agavi/core/Agavi.class.php on line 63
08:58	Jarda	agavi version?
08:59	everplays	Jarda: 1.0.3
08:59	DK	See code at http://pastebin.com/F2kd2C6w I get the error " Argument 1 passed to OcBaseAction::initialize() must be an instance of AgaviContext, instance of AgaviExecutionContainer given,"
08:59	everplays	that's odd! as it works without problem in my foresightlinux box, i cloned my project (via git) & now i get fatal error
09:00	Jarda	DK: oh, that's my bad
09:01	Jarda	the signature is public function initialize(AgaviExecutionContainer $container)
09:01	Jarda	I thought you were talking about models
09:08	DK	Jarda: Thanks, it works! :)
09:16	_cheerios	http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-real-stuff-white-people-like/
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09:23	_cheerios	http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1135259988742.gif (translated: somewhere in middle-east.... A) they got me... B) 72 virgins await you in heaven!)
09:23	horros	waves fist at ze germans
09:23	horros	Verarbeitung fehlgeschlagen
09:23	horros	Die Transaktion konnte nicht verarbeitet werden. Bitte verwenden Sie ein anderes Zahlungsmittel oder versuchen Sie es erneut.
09:23	horros	:(
09:26	graste	:>
09:27	graste	transaction couldn't be processed...please use another payment method or try again
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09:34	horros	Yes, I know, but I don't have a Mastercard ..well.. card. Which means I can't use another payment method. And I've tried again for two days now :(
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09:35	_cheerios	http://www.scribd.com/doc/37113340/Why-Django-Sucks-and-How-we-Can-Fix-it
09:44	everplays	problem was php package of fedora which hasn't DOM. err!
09:59	_cheerios	"The single worst strategic mistake that any software company can make: Decided to rewrite the code from scratch." i have to keep this in mind :)
10:01	v-dogg	linux distro package maintainers <3
10:02	v-dogg	their motto always seems to be "We Know Better"
10:02	everplays	agrees with v-dogg
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11:07	jurica	FMJaggy: a link to x.com/item/delete wouldnt be an issue cause when you click on it youre browser will do an GET request, the link to actually delete an item would be x.com/item but it would have to be a DELETE request not a "normal" GET request
11:57	horros	Hey Germans, rather off topic but... Any place I can find a bundesliga-stream (specifically on sunday at 17:30 jerry time)?
12:01	jurica	its 18:30! :D
12:02	horros	Oh, why does bundesliga.de say 17:30 then? :O
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13:39	_cheerios	is there a decription of ideal web designer someplace, listing skills one should have?
13:40	ttj	Dunno, but I just watched Riot On! on YouTube. Maybe you can pick up some core skills to look for there.
13:57	_cheerios	dude, i want to see that.
13:57	_cheerios	i tried to find the torrent once, but nothing with seeds. link?
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14:33	ttj	_cheerios: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX133N1AImc&feature=related
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16:10	E_mE	why is it when i do unset($userParameters['city']); in my routing callback::onGenerate() the parameter still resides and gets inserted into the URL?
16:10	E_mE	i've var_dump() the keys in the same method, and its unset, but it still appears in URL :S
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18:05	E_mE	what does the agavi command need to know its in a current project directory?
18:05	E_mE	ive got build.xml and build.properties
18:05	E_mE	but it cant identify it :/
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18:54	Rendez	what's the way to overwrite a certain validator?
18:55	Rendez	<validator class="number" name="budget">.... then in another file doing parent="MyValidator.xml" or even <xi:include> to end up with <validator class="number" name="budget" required="false">...
18:59	Rendez	I only see these attributes, and none seem to allow this inheritance
18:59	Rendez	<xs:attribute name="name" type="xs:string" />
18:59	Rendez	<xs:attribute name="class" type="types_1_0:php_class" />
18:59	Rendez	<xs:attribute name="depends" type="xs:string" />
18:59	Rendez	<xs:attribute name="export" type="xs:string" />
18:59	Rendez	<xs:attribute name="method" type="types_1_0:php_label_list" />
18:59	Rendez	<xs:attribute name="provides" type="xs:string" />
18:59	Rendez	<xs:attribute name="required" type="types_1_0:boolean" />
18:59	Rendez	<xs:attribute name="severity" type="severity" />
18:59	Rendez	<xs:attribute name="source" type="types_1_0:php_label" />
18:59	Rendez	<xs:attribute name="translation_domain" type="xs:string" />
19:01	sth	use a pastebin...
19:02	Rendez	sorry
19:16	Rendez	ok, I found a solution, including the validators using xinclude and setting the xpath to leave out budget
19:17	Rendez	but I would prefer when doing parent=".." to actually be able to overwrite parent validators if I choose to
19:17	Rendez	maybe using an attribute in the validator override="true"
19:17	Rendez	is this something that could be considered being in a ticket?
19:18	Rendez	:)
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08:40	_cheerios	huomenta
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10:42	_cheerios	smirked @ "Nokia has released latest Ovi, first beta-tester OPK"
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10:55	horros	Hmm. I think I'll go to Hamburg on the 15th of next month!
11:02	jurica	hamburg is ugly!
11:02	horros	But it has Millerntor!
11:02	jurica	ah :)
11:02	horros	16.10.2010 15:30 FC St. Pauli vs 1. FC N?rnberg
11:03	jurica	cool i hope n?rnberg wins :p
11:03	horros	I hope Bayern gets kicked down to 2. bundesliga!
11:03	horros	:P
11:03	jurica	im pretty shure that wount happen in my lifetime :)
11:04	horros	I'm rather sure of it myself, to be honest :)
11:05	jurica	hehe
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13:09	_cheerios	anyone done video on their website? easiest way to add multiple webcams to a page?
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13:54	Jarda	_cheerios: flowplayer and some streaming service
13:54	Jarda	flowplayer is a finnish product, btw:)
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14:08	_cheerios	thanks. more choice than since i last checked these in 2005 or so. flowplayer 95 bucks, wowza server licence free (10 connections) or 65/mo. affordable.
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14:16	everplays	guys how i can get locale? (i want to load javascript language files)
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14:23	everplays	never mind, found it :) $this->getContext()->getTranslationManager()->getCurrentLocaleIdentifier()
14:30	_cheerios	wow, twitter gets 3billion+ requests/day
14:39	jurica	wow installing ms sql server is really a pain in the ass!
14:43	sth	yes it is
14:43	_cheerios	apt-get ms-sql-server :)
14:43	jurica	server 2008 r2 doesnt bring apt-get :(
14:43	jurica	that power shell sucks :p
14:43	sth	It's not really the installing that sucks, it's the configuring of it which blows
14:44	jurica	i just cant connect to the database module
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15:10	saracen	Why is David never here when I won't to moan at him :(
15:11	jurica	its his strategy
15:11	saracen	sneaky
15:11	sth	saracen: He's in the US
15:11	sth	Are you in the office today?
15:11	saracen	sth: Are you bored by any chance?
15:11	sth	Slightly
15:11	saracen	sth: No. Why?
15:12	saracen	I take it you're back home?
15:12	sth	No reason, I guess I just wasted the morning by sitting in front of it with a sniper rifle
15:12	saracen	You should be greatful I'm not in the building across the road. They have a white garage door, and it blinds me when the sun hits it
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16:31	jurica	how do i get a subactions template?
16:45	jurica	solved... ^^
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17:15	v-dogg	$this->getLayer('content')->setTemplate('My/SubSuccess') incase someone else was wondering
17:17	jurica	i tried it with a dot instead of the slash first...
17:22	jurica	does someone know a lib/extension for creating (nice) charts?
17:25	v-dogg	open flash charts and jgraph
17:26	jurica	prefers a flash free solution
17:27	v-dogg	sorry, it's "jpgraph"
17:27	jurica	ah
17:27	v-dogg	http://jpgraph.net/
17:27	jurica	thanks
17:28	v-dogg	google has some javascript stuff too if I remember correctly
17:28	jurica	uh jpgraphs looks nice on first sight
17:28	jurica	yep there are some google js libs for it
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19:18	CLN	hi, i have a problem, which is (simply said): my $rd after submitting a form is empty
19:19	CLN	any suggestions?
19:21	CLN	dumping $rd results in: http://pastebin.com/rSpf3V7J
19:23	CLN	its a POST form and executeWrite is running. so that works properly. just doesnt hand over the data to $rd, if i'm right
19:24	v-dogg	have you defined validators?
19:25	CLN	oh, lol
19:25	CLN	forgot that
19:25	CLN	thx :)
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04:28		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
04:28		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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05:02		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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15:39	everplays	14:08 < saracen> Wombert: Is there a handy function already for getting a list of modules? 14:09 < Wombert> no, saracen ( ref http://www.agavi.org/irclogs/agavi-200810.log )
15:39	everplays	still there's no way to get list of modules?
15:40	v-dogg	exec('ls -1 app/modules/') :)
15:41	everplays	hehe :) of course except listing directory v-dogg :P
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15:41	everplays	14:09 < Wombert> modules aren't registered anywhere
15:42	everplays	hmm, so there's no way else
16:07	saracen	Well
16:07	saracen	There isn't and there isn't
16:08	saracen	You could either just list the modules in settings. Or, you could create a config handler, which checks the directory and caches the result. But, you'd obviously have the clear the cache for the check to be ran again
16:12	v-dogg	or... you could just list the directory :)
16:30	everplays	hmm :)
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19:18	Jarda	v-dogg: but actually, module directory name isn't necessarily the module name
19:18	Jarda	it is by default when using module-wizard
19:18	Jarda	but it can differ
19:20	Jarda	so if you wan't to list the module names, you have to a) do some directory iterating to read all ModuleDir/config/Module.xml
19:21	Jarda	or b) write your own config handler for modules that register the modules
19:27	v-dogg	or... you could just default naming and list the directory :)
19:28	v-dogg	of course it's not generic but I would dare say it covers 999 of 1000 cases :)
19:30	Jarda	of course it does
19:30	Jarda	and I guess $ctx->getModel('Foo', 'Bar') wants the module directory name as the second parameter
19:31	Jarda	haven't tried, though
19:31	v-dogg	first kid asleep, now to work on the other
19:32	Jarda	one and only already asleep \o/
19:32	saracen	Punching solves this
19:32	saracen	But then again, I'm not a father
19:34	v-dogg	punching leaves too obvious evidence, sleeping pills in the evening milk are harder to spot in a criminal investigation
19:35	Jarda	if violence isn't working, you are using too little
20:12	v-dogg	hmm... something is wrong. I got them both into bed this easy and this early...
20:13	v-dogg	and I SWEAR no illegal methods were used!
20:13	v-dogg	nothing even questionable
20:49	Jarda	lies
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08:31	_cheerios	huomenta
08:31	_cheerios	guys, test out http://heimoi.com and give me some feedback. i'd like to know if it's more understandable by now for a first-time user, and what'd you change to make it better?
08:35	Jarda	http://heimoi.com/city/turku/ at least this site has _a_lot_ going on
08:36	Jarda	It's hard to tell what should be and where
08:41	_cheerios	do you think something like stackoverflow.com's approach would work, where it shows a yellowish welcome-bar at the top for anonymous users?
08:44	Jarda	it might
08:44	_cheerios	communicating new pages is so much work. heimoi.com only has around 4 different usable pages and still there's a lot of "hmm?" :)
08:45	_cheerios	*usable; "different" more like, as in pages one will use within the serbvice
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08:50	_cheerios	previous feedback from a nerdy first-time user was that it needs more gfx/screenshots on what it does, instead of just pure-text which it is now
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12:00	everplays	guys i get parse error for my validation.xml any idea? http://pastebin.com/TCA1GeTC (validation.xml) http://pastebin.com/YGn1wTpP (errors)
12:00	everplays	based on http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-agavipt5/#c2
12:01	Jarda	everplays: line 25-27
12:01	Jarda	<argument> instead of <arguments>
12:03	_cheerios	http://www.nokia.fi/n8ensikosketus give your email and you're in the win-an-N8 sweepstakes (one given out every day or so)
12:04	_cheerios	oh, heh, i read the email in full; need to rate their stuff 2/3's of the way for a whole month to be eligible
12:04	everplays	Jarda: fixed that one, but still i get error on :14 & :24 http://pastebin.com/YfdUHud5
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12:05	Jarda	line 28-30
12:05	Jarda	<error> instead of <errors>
12:05	everplays	thanks Jarda
12:28	Jarda	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmers%27_Day
12:29	Jarda	wohoo, day off \o/
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12:31	Rendez	huomenta!
12:32	Rendez	impl: sth: v-dogg: more pings
12:32	Rendez	I've got something to nag about the core, which is not firing a system action propertly
12:33	Jarda	you most likely are doing something wrong :)
12:34	Rendez	if so, I want to know what, because it's odd
12:34	Jarda	please describe your problem
12:34	Rendez	basically the namespaces 'org.agavi.controller.forwards...' are set whenever a system_action occurs
12:34	Rendez	except!
12:34	Rendez	for error_404
12:35	Rendez	and it's because the container calls AgaviRouting::execute() first, then if the actionName \|\| moduleName are not found, sets them there
12:35	Rendez	therefore the action createSystemActionForwardContainer() when it checks for actionName and moduleName, they are already set
12:36	Rendez	so where the NS 'org.agavi.controller.forwards.error_404' should be set, it never happens
12:37	Rendez	AgaviExecutionContainer::execute() around line 259
12:38	Rendez	if I modify AgaviRouting to not return valid action and module name, it works as expected
12:38	Rendez	so my guess is that somebody fixed AgaviRouting and by doing so caused this issue
12:39	Rendez	and by valid action and module name I mean something like 'Default' , 'Error404'
12:39	Rendez	$moduleName = AgaviConfig::get('actions.' . $type . '_module');
12:39	Rendez	$actionName = AgaviConfig::get('actions.' . $type . '_action');
12:45	Jarda	hmm.. wait what?
12:46	Jarda	line 261 is never called if I give some foobar in the url
12:47	Jarda	and that's because routing already gives valid action and module
12:48	Jarda	(I didn't read your lines yet)
12:49	Jarda	so, actually
12:52	Jarda	why is routing not calling $container->createSystemActionForwardContainer(`)?
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12:53	Jarda	ok, not that easy, as it should then handle also the output_types etc friend
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13:08	Rendez	Jarda, why is Routing setting the names already
13:09	Rendez	it's as easy as not doing so
13:10	Rendez	well, actually I think they way Routing works you need to set some names, but if we set them to null os something, that would be valid for $container-> createSystemActionForwardContainer() method to fire 404 accordingly
13:29	Jarda	I have no idea
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13:35	Rendez	I've added a patch extending AgaviWebRouting, but I think I'll open a ticket
13:35	Rendez	it's probably something that should be fixed or thought at least
13:39	horros	Nice. Running single tests in NetBeans doesn't run the bootstrap file.
13:39	horros	Grumble.
13:40	horros	Oh wait, yes it does.
13:40	horros	:D
13:41	horros	I just forgot to tell it to :D
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14:02	Jarda	horros: it most certainly does
14:02	saracen	Points to anybody who can figure out what version of PHP supports JSON_BIGINT_AS_STRING as an option for json_decode
14:03	_cheerios	nerdgasm trivia?
14:03	saracen	Rendez: So basically, you want to use createSystemActionForwardContainer in the controller?
14:05	Jarda	saracen: seom version after 21.5.2010 :)
14:05	saracen	But what would that eventually be? php 5.3.4?
14:06	Jarda	5.3.3 doesn't have it?
14:06	Jarda	actually hmm.. it
14:06	Jarda	it's in trunk
14:06	saracen	Because wasn't php 5.3.3 released on 07/2010
14:06	Jarda	so most likely 5.4
14:07	saracen	Those motherfuckers. Apparently, the line is in the current 5.3.3 source code. But it complains that json_decode only accepts 3 parameters
14:08	Jarda	so the constant is available
14:08	Jarda	?
14:08	_cheerios	docs say it's only in trunk, so, uh, there you go
14:09	saracen	Jarda: Yeah
14:09	Jarda	weird
14:10	Jarda	because in that changeset in trunk the constant is added
14:10	Jarda	so why would they have the constant without the other stuff?
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16:05	_cheerios	i really like the structure of facebook's Graph API
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17:23	sth	sets fire to saracen
17:26	saracen	sup
17:26	saracen	you bought tf2 yet?
17:36	sth	nop
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20:13	_cheerios	Followed the annotations-discussion on php-internals some. I don't get the enthusiasm adding that ugly-ass-crap into PHP.
20:24	krycek_	agreed
20:32	FMJaggy	link?
20:33	steffkes	following php-internals .. too much time? *g
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20:44	_cheerios	it's not that high traffic :)
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21:28	v-dogg	is there a web interface to reading it (that's now fugly :)
21:30	v-dogg	no_t_
21:48	_cheerios	i've subscribed, and have it on a gmail label.
21:48	_cheerios	that's my web interface :)
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23:04	jurica	where would be the right place to implement acl's? the model, action, filter? i need some opinions on that
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23:43	saracen	jurica: David and I used the security filter to call getAccessRules() on the action for that stuff. Used Zend_ACL. The security filter would get the rules, then execute the classes which manage them
23:43	saracen	the assertion classes
23:43	saracen	That way, you have access to data after validation. So you can export your models and run ACL against them, for example
23:45	jurica	lets say you have a page that lists all groups/whatever a user has access to, how would you do that? you would need to check in the model that retrieves that objects wether or not they are visible for that user
23:49	saracen	Oh, I wouldn't use ACL for something like that. If it's listing something, I'd just do something like fetchGroupsById($currentUserId) and display them their groups.
23:49	saracen	ACL comes in handy when you then have the user click "edit group" on one you've displayed them
23:50	jurica	then i think for my problem here it would be best to do an acl like thing in my model code
23:51	saracen	Well, what's the problem?
23:52	jurica	i need some more fine grained checks than credentials and roles offer me
23:53	jurica	an example: i have groups and one can upload files into groups and add members who are able to upload files themselfes
23:54	saracen	That sounds doable from what I suggested still
23:54	jurica	but then the group createor, the fileuploader and admins should be able to delete files
23:56	saracen	You'd be able to do all of that
23:57	jurica	but wouldn't be an access check in the model just fine?
23:58	jurica	lets say someone guesses the link for group deletion (not too hard to guess) and then the model just says: no youre not allowed to delete that group
23:59	saracen	Yeah. it pretty much just is a model check. Lemme give an example:
Day changed Tue Sep 14 2010
00:01	saracen	You have a user (role), and a group (resource). The user visits GroupEditAction. The filter grabs the rules required for this user to edit this resource. The rules are then executed, in this case, a predefined GroupOwnerAssertion class
00:01	saracen	The assert(role, resource) method is called on that class. In that class, it could be as simple as this: $role->getId() == $resource->getUserId()
00:02	saracen	Or, it could go and fetch a bunch of access privledges to check that user has access
00:03	krycek_	what does Zend_ACL offer exactly? the assertion classes?
00:07	jurica	saracen: thanks so far
00:08	saracen	http://pastebin.com/D3mKudNq
00:08	saracen	Hopefully this sort of helps :)
00:10	saracen	Notice that the ->allow('user', 'team') is using the getRoleId of the user, and getResourceId of the Team. If you look at the getRoleId for the user, you'll notice that if the user isn't authenticated, by default they won't have access to edit this resource. If they are a 'user' though, they get a step closer. That's when (as you can see by the action), the assertion will be executed. You could also have a role id called 'admin', returned f
00:11	saracen	Which is what I sometimes have. I implement the Role ACL interface on SecurityUser, and in getRoleId() I do a check to see if they have the credential 'admin', if they do, I return 'admin'. Then I have access to every resource
00:12	jurica	ah cool! where is getAccessRules() being called?
00:14	saracen	http://pastebin.com/9tP1T35J
00:15	saracen	From an extended exec container. You'll see that throw an exception, which can get caught in the security filter (I tried to highlight it, but it failed)
00:15	saracen	The acl setup from the previous paste, I just do in user::startup()
00:15	jurica	thats fine! thank you! ill take a closer look at it tomorrow
00:16	saracen	Feel free to ask again. David says that in 1.1, this will be a little easier to do. I think he's moved validation to be called from a filter, as you'll see we had to hack this in to the performValidation() method
00:17	jurica	ah
00:18	jurica	i think i have some zend_acl diffs lying around david gave me once...
00:20	jurica	im still a bit afraid of so much agavi hacking just for those acl's (and im not quite shure if i really need all this)
00:24	saracen	I think the benefits outweight extending 2 agavi classes. Doing these sorts of checks anywhere else just seems nasty
00:24	jurica	good point
00:26	jurica	i also was afraid that it would be a problem having "generic" credentials together with the fine grained acl's but as you mentioned before this is no problem
00:26	jurica	hmm seems like i have to do it this way :)
00:27	saracen	Yeah, the way I see it, credentials just protect the action, whereas the ACL protects the actual resource.
00:28	jurica	yep i did a quick hack and added some logic to an actions getCredentials method but its a pain in my eyes everytime i see it ;)
00:28	saracen	They still come in to it a lot. I mean, say theres an admin aciton which adds new users. That's just a simple credential. I'm not sure how ACL would help with that. You're not protecting anything. Unless of course, adding a user is too a group. Then the resource becomes the group
00:29	saracen	to*
00:33	jurica	i need sleep now ;) thanks for your help and good night!
00:33	saracen	night :)
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00:49	krycek_	$this->acl->allow('user', 'team', array('edit', 'delete'), new TeamLeaderAssertion());
00:49	krycek_	that kind of info is stored in the session?
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05:44	everplays	Huomenta
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06:22	FMJaggy	sup
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08:58	_cheerios	gah, Stockholm-Milan is cheap, Milan-Helsinki not quite.
08:59	Jarda	swim over
09:02	_cheerios	seems Air Baltic is the way to come back, via Riga. 115e or so
09:05	horros	I looked at going to Hamburg with Air Baltic. Flight leaves from Helsinki 21:45, flies via Riga and I'd arrive in Hamburg the next day at 7:30 or so.
09:05	horros	Five-or-so hours at Riga airport picking your nose...? No thanks.
09:07	_cheerios	stop in Riga on this one seemed to be "only" 2hrs. there were options of 15hr detours around the world...
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09:08	_cheerios	seems to be cheaper to do a flight back to Stockholm, then to Helsinki.
09:08	_cheerios	than "direct" to Helsinki
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09:27	horros	I also looked at flying with Ryanair to Bremen and taking the train to Hamburg, but that totalled at around 200e. I'd rather pay 50e more and fly with KLM via Amsterdam :)
09:27	horros	Plus it wasn't possible to get back home on Sunday with Ryanair.
09:28	horros	PLUS I don't like flying with Ryanair because their planes feel like the fecking wings will come off at any minute.
09:29	horros	oh, and last time I used their services I was without my luggage for three days, because when we came back to Tampere the cargo latches had frozen or something and they couldn't get it open, so they just said "feck it" and went off. :D
09:29	_cheerios	atleast it wasnt the passenger latches :)
09:30	jurica	lol
09:30	horros	Yes, that'd have been most unfortunate. Would have had to go for a round trip to the UK and somewhere.
09:30	jurica	good morning btw
09:30	horros	And knowing Ryanair, they'd have charged you for it too!
09:31	jurica	horros: are you talking of youre hamburg trip to the st pauli game?
09:31	horros	Yessir.
09:31	horros	jurica: Did you see the game btw? I nearly threw my laptop off the balcony :x
09:32	jurica	no i went to my parents for lunch... didn't see anything of the sundays games...
09:33	jurica	plus i was still pissed by bayerns poor 0:0 on saturday
09:34	horros	St. Pauli scored a goal at oh, about 91 minutes. Except it was BARELY offside :x
09:36	jurica	hmm
09:36	jurica	hope bayern will win tomorrow
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10:53	MikeSeth	what the hell
10:53	MikeSeth	spammers shitting in our trac
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11:03	digitarald	maybe they thought its inactive
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11:46	Jarda	digitarald: +1 ;)
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13:03	Yossi_B	Huomenta... Back to Tel-Aviv after a week in London, what a bummer
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13:54	_cheerios	thinking of reading OAuth spec. 38 pages.
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15:05	MikeSeth	_cheerios: find that article about how twitter fucked up oauth
15:05	MikeSeth	think I saw it on ycombinator news feed
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15:39	digitarald	MikeSeth: even LinkedIn fucked up OAuth
15:39	digitarald	and they have Lindner as lead dev, one of the heads behind OAuth
15:42	digitarald	I guess u mean: http://arstechnica.com/security/guides/2010/09/twitter-a-case-study-on-how-to-do-oauth-wrong.ars
15:42	MikeSeth	yeah
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15:56	_cheerios	ain't easy!
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19:40	steffkes	i think it's time to start the new project .. w/ agavi =)
19:41	v-dogg	kick-off parteee! \o\
19:43	_cheerios	\o/
19:43	steffkes	*start the VMWare Engine :D
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20:19	FMJaggy	?
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20:39	steffkes	o_O .. wired accept-header parsing ..
20:43	FMJaggy	is there something for vmware/agavi
20:44	steffkes	what do you mean FMJaggy ?
20:44	FMJaggy	or do you just start a vanilla image
20:44	FMJaggy	"*start the VMWare Engine"
20:44	steffkes	just put an standard debian in an wmware on my win7-machine .. don't like to develop on win-platforms
20:44	steffkes	nothing special
20:44	FMJaggy	i have an ubuntu\
20:45	FMJaggy	sell me on debian
20:45	v-dogg	steffkes: what about Accept? problems?
20:45	steffkes	what-ever you like .. never seen a big difference between them. our first sys-admin has decided to go w/ debian .. and therefore .. i'll go too ;)
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20:46	steffkes	v-dogg, i've included application/json as last part in my accept-headers .. and agavi tries to render executeJson() .. which is a bit wired for me. because the first part is text/xml, and the second application/xml
20:46	steffkes	sorry, text/html of course
20:47	Jarda	steffkes: your routing has a too eager pattern
20:47	steffkes	Jarda, it's the samples-app from svn ..
20:48	Jarda	<route pattern="application/json" source="_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT]" output_type="json" stop="false" />
20:48	steffkes	hmm ah there .. it's just checking if the accept-header contains application/json .. hmm :/
20:48	v-dogg	but if your client says it accepts application/json...
20:48	Jarda	so you should put some more routes
20:49	Jarda	if you want to make it respect the order
20:49	steffkes	v-dogg, er yes .. it does, but as last part and not as first
20:49	steffkes	Jarda, yes, will do so .. thx :)
20:49	v-dogg	if you are sure what your client sends (i.e. you control your clients and I don't mean common browsers) you can add anchors to your route pattern
20:50	v-dogg	e.g. "if the first accept header is json, do json, otherwise server html"
20:51	steffkes	v-dogg, i am sure, what my client sends :) and that was i've expected orignally .. that the order machtes (for default)
20:51	v-dogg	and the pattern would then be of course pattern="^application/json"
20:51	steffkes	which is also not an good solution. just to say "the first" ..
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20:56	v-dogg	are you sure you want to send those headers then?
20:56	v-dogg	I wouldn't :)
20:56	steffkes	yes i will .. because couchdb response as text/plain sucks :p
20:57	v-dogg	accept=json if I want json, html(with all the variants) if I want html
20:57	v-dogg	mixed just gets me... mixed :)
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23:00	jurica	saracen: r u there?
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23:31	saracen	jurica: am now
23:31	saracen	sup?
23:33	jurica	i was thinking about what you told me yesterday and came to a point where i think one would get performance problems at some point
23:33	saracen	how so?
23:34	jurica	lets stay with my example and the groups that members + creator is allowed to see (creator doesnt need to be a member)
23:34	saracen	ok
23:35	jurica	if i my acl assertion sais that members + creator are allowed to see that group it needs to query the group out of the database and check wether the actual user is member or creaor if no -> go to hell
23:36	jurica	but if he is allowed to see it the actions executeRead method will query the database again for that same group so i need to so 2 db lookups
23:36	jurica	this kinda sucks doesnt it?
23:39	saracen	Yeah. You're saying something like: ViewGroupAction. So you get your group, usually in the validator. Then the assertion runs, and it needs to do another query to see if they're a member. So two queries. But...
23:40	saracen	It's not that large a performance hit, and that can be cached reasonable. Or you could load it upon login (but that's yucky.). Or you could make it one query, but that has limitations too
23:41	saracen	For example, if you lump together making a query that fetches an item and checks to see if the user is allowed to see it - you can't cache the item for everybody anymore
23:41	saracen	Well, I suppose you could, but it isn't very clean cut
23:41	saracen	somewhere, it'll be a hacky mess :D
23:43	jurica	short answer: i shouldnt worry about the second query?
23:43	saracen	Yes. Because at the point you begin to worry, you can easily cache it for the lifetime of that user or w/e
23:43	saracen	you need to worry&
23:43	saracen	*
23:44	jurica	ok thanks again
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05:46		Channel #agavi created Sun Nov 26 07:43:22 2006
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05:46		Home page for #agavi: http://agavi.org/
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05:55	Jarda	http://static.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/jattibusMP_uu.jpg
05:55	Jarda	cool
05:55	Jarda	kinda big (if you compare it with the cars..)
05:59	v-dogg	is that the thing comming to HKI today?
06:05	Jarda	no idea
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08:30	_cheerios	huomenta
08:32	everplays	huomenta
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09:39	jurica	good morning
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09:42	_cheerios	no new twitter interface for me yet, horror
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10:42	sth	Morning
10:48	_cheerios	http://www.slideshare.net/bryanrieger/rethinking-the-mobile-web-by-yiibu // good stuff
10:49	sth	I would, but I hate slideshare enough to never visit it
10:49	_cheerios	a lot of valid pointers that I found while browsing the web from different sources, while devving http://heimoi.com
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12:20	_cheerios	http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/15/google-fights-back-in-battle-for-talent-but-may-be-creating-a-worse-problem-for-itself/
12:20	_cheerios	nice way to get a paycheck rise
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12:27	ttj	Yeah, that seems quite a bad idea in practice. If people are only jumping around due to money and have no commitment beyond that, they should be allowed to leave.
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12:51	_cheerios	In other news, Google employees lust for PHP development.
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13:16	Rick	I thought google was a python shop
13:16	sth	It is.
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13:36	_cheerios	FB is less so.
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15:11	_cheerios	O-M-G http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I (i have a fear of heights too)
15:14	horros	_cheerios: fffffffffffff
15:27	jurica	scary!!! even on screen
15:31	sth	I didn't like climbing on the ladder at the NSA station in Berlin to get to the dome
15:31	sth	And that was only 100m perhaps
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16:28	saracen	13:25:51 < Rick> I thought google was a python shop
16:28	saracen	13:26:00 < sth> It is.
16:28	saracen	lies
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16:33	saracen	that video makes me feel suck
16:33	saracen	sick*
16:52	Yossi_B	Huomenta
16:52	sth	saracen: your face makes me feel sick
16:55	saracen	sth: your everything makes me feel aroused
16:55	saracen	then sick
16:55	saracen	which makes me even more aroused
16:55	saracen	especially when I've thrown up on myself
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17:48	davidc_	Hmm anyone saw David?
17:48	jurica	davidc_: do you mean wombert?
17:51	davidc_	yep
17:52	sth	Have you checked SF?
17:53	sth	Is David even in .de?
18:04	davidc_	Haven't checked anything :P
18:05	Jarda	have someone seen development in agavi 1.1?
18:05	Jarda	(I think it's in the same place as david..)
18:05	davidc_	hahaha
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20:32	FMJaguar	where is david
20:34	v-dogg	what's with everyone wanting david today... aren't the rest of us good enough anymore :(
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20:48	krycek_	He is always travelling. Is he rich or something?
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21:23	FMJaguar	nah i was just looking for 1.1
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22:52	MikeSeth	saracen
22:52	saracen	MikeSeth
22:52	MikeSeth	we will beat you up for all the timeouting you do you realize that right?
22:52	MikeSeth	><
22:52	saracen	It should stop now
22:52	saracen	:(
22:52	MikeSeth	shaky dsl?
22:53	saracen	Nah, my switch was fighting over the IP for this server
22:53	MikeSeth	haha happened to me too
22:53	saracen	I shut the switch down earlier and it must have reverted to its older settings :(
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22:57	MikeSeth	dhcp fights are always fun to watch
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03:03		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
03:03		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:09:56 2010]
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03:30		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
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04:03		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
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04:21		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
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04:45		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
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08:44	_cheerios	huomenta
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10:23	_cheerios	saw a WebGl presentation yesterday. :drool:
10:24	sth	Morning
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11:03	_cheerios	LOL @ Anssi Vanjoki in FT compares Android phone makers to 'Finnish boys who "pee in pants" for warmth in cold winter' http://bit.ly/9OnOyN
11:04	sth	_cheerios: Well, that's one way to describe Nokia
11:05	_cheerios	how?
11:05	sth	'Finnish boys who "pee in pants" for warmth in cold winter'
11:06	_cheerios	i don't get you at all
11:07	_cheerios	interesting piece about nokia and why innovation died there, stock options
11:07	sth	Sure, but I can't read the article because it wants me to register
11:07	sth	Which I'm clearly not going to do
11:07	_cheerios	some got the millions, some did not back in the 90s. morale drops
11:07	_cheerios	i couldn't read it either. smirked at Vanjoki's quip.
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12:33	ttj	Bah, you can easily read ft.com articles via Google News.
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14:31	_cheerios	I posted on php-internals and I don't really do php-dev anymore. wtf.
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14:47	MrJeep	woops
14:54	_cheerios	hmm, http://hueniverse.com/2010/09/oauth-2-0-without-signatures-is-bad-for-the-web/
15:37	_cheerios	how do ppl make those iPhone browser screenshots with the phone bewel around them?
15:38	jurica	press the power an home button at the same time
15:38	jurica	and smile!
15:38	sth	hen photoshop the iPhone around it
15:38	sth	then*
15:39	sth	Or you do a normal screenshot with the iPhone Dev kit
15:39	sth	Which I'm a member of!
15:39	sth	jurica: that reminds me, want the iOS 4.2 beta for the iPad?
15:39	jurica	oh yeah!
15:39	sth	Adds awesome sauce like multitasking
15:39	ttj	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq3CuMDXaPs
15:40	jurica	gimme gimme!
15:40	sth	I need the UUID of your iPad
15:40	sth	So I can add it to my dev account
15:40	jurica	where do i see it? in the configs anywhere?
15:41	sth	Got the dev tools installed?
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22:09	_cheerios	can php reflection modify the original, eg. function/class?
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22:37	jurica	i have a strange problem and i dont know how to debug it: i use uploadify for fileuploads and when i upload large files (arounf 400mb) the user gehts logged out of the site after the upload has finished, though the session_cookie_lifetime is high enough
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23:00	_cheerios	php-internals discussion is so nutty. added more $.2 cents there
23:03	FMJaguar	did you call everyone a n00b
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23:06	_cheerios	the one that calls others n00bs is often the n00b. ;) no, i'd forgotten how php even works.
23:08	FMJaguar	like/this/now
23:09	FMJaguar	actually\this
23:09	_cheerios	yes, sign your mails \Cheers,
23:10	_cheerios	suggested some stuff there http://news.php.net/php.internals/49735 syntax-wise
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08:30	_cheerios	huomenta
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09:58	_cheerios	I JUST SKYPED FOR THE 2ND TIME. I-AM-A-DINOSAUR!
09:59	_cheerios	srsly laptop would be better than imac tho, to move around the cam some more.
10:01	_cheerios	symbian has skype, android doesn't. o_O
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11:02	_cheerios	lol. facebok has a ? (tried to understand a feature) which on hover gives ???
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11:18	sth	jurica: its uploaded
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11:30	horros	slaps Propel
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11:52	horros	Hmm, do any Agavi-settings affect Propel's logging stuff?
11:52	horros	I can only seem to get propel logs up and until AgaviUser::startup()
11:53	horros	after that it stops logging :O
11:57	Jarda	horros: shouldn't
11:58	Jarda	show your databases.xml
12:16	horros	Jarda: http://pastie.org/1164602
12:17	Jarda	nothing funny there
12:18	horros	I shouldn't think so, no.
12:18	Jarda	then there shouldn't be anything agavi specific
12:18	Jarda	what are you using for session storage?
12:18	horros	So what on earth might cause it to just suddenly stop logging after AgaviUser::startup() ?
12:18	horros	Jarda: Humm, the default, whatever it is.
12:18	Jarda	oh, plain files
12:19	Jarda	are you doing something fnny in ::startup?
12:19	horros	The app works fine, does queries, sessions and renders templates and all of that
12:19	horros	Jarda: Funny and funny, I do two queries.
12:19	Jarda	hmm.. you don't happen to use ADT and propel query logging in action_filters.xml?
12:19	horros	Jarda: I _do_ have ADT enabled.
12:19	Jarda	it might "steal" the source
12:19	horros	Ah, that might explain it!
12:20	horros	I shall try to disable it and see if that fixes it.
12:20	horros	Good thinking!
12:20	Jarda	asctually it doesn't have to be necessarily in action_filters.xml as user::startup() happens before any filters iirc
12:22	horros	Jarda: It was ADT!
12:22	horros	I disabled it in logging.xml and global_filters.xml and lo and behold, I get proper logs.
12:22	Jarda	yeah. Thought so. The propel query logging sets a custom logger for propel. And afaik propel can't handle more than one logger
12:22	horros	Thanks!
12:22	Jarda	no problems
12:23	horros	I was starting to suspect I've gone mad, as I've had it working before.
12:23	Jarda	hmm.. yeah. That actually explains why I don't get the propel query logs to ADT before user startup
12:23	Jarda	as my adt filter hasn't set the logger yet..
12:24	Jarda	I have always query count = logged queries + 2 or something like that
12:39	_cheerios	ttj, oktoberfest-tent next to Sello's Base-restaurant tonight and saturday. 1liter beer mugs!
13:02	ttj	_cheerios: Kalle tonight.
13:02	ttj	I got my first Kalle point last night!
13:08	horros	Stupid wincachegrind :x
13:13	horros	Somehow turning on Propel logging makes xdebug generte an invalid cachegrind-file o_O
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15:49	_cheerios	train delays of 1-3hrs wtf. perfect day outside.
15:57	ttj	_cheerios: Grab some eat?
15:57	ttj	SYÖ! Helsinki weeks began today.
15:58	_cheerios	food sounds good but have to head home
15:59	_cheerios	traffic worries me some tho x_X
15:59	ttj	Pfft... You won't get home so might as well grab some chow. :P
15:59	_cheerios	DA BEERS ARE IN SELLO THO!
16:00	ttj	Nah.
16:00	_cheerios	and they have a live-band playing HUMPPA!
16:00	ttj	In that case: hell no!
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20:01	FMJaguar	agaviiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
20:02	saracen_	Yes?
20:02	FMJaguar	you are not agavi
20:02	FMJaguar	you are saracen_
20:02	saracen_	I used to be called agavi
20:03	saracen_	The project was named after me, because I'm really awesome and stuff. But I went in to hiding, because the teenage girls that kept following me everywhere got a bit annoying
20:08	v-dogg	mmm... this books is an excellent JS references for JS n000bs: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596517748
20:09	v-dogg	so many little things I have never bothered to look into although I am not a complete n00b w/ JS/prototyped languages
20:11	FMJaguar	is there a clear stance on the new operator
20:11	FMJaguar	i think one book says to use it and one doesnt
20:16	v-dogg	I don't know what other books say about it or what would be a clear stance on it but so far the only chapter dealing with "new" I've read explains "The Constructor Invocation Pattern" (of functions) and explains how the new operator affects "this"
20:17	FMJaguar	section B.11 "An even better coping strategy is to not use new at all."
20:17	FMJaguar	but Resig's book uses it everywhere
20:18	FMJaguar	i think it mentions the same issue but just deals with it
20:18	asonge	yeah, i usually use the closure returning an object method for objects
20:18	asonge	i don't use classes at all in js
20:18	asonge	using this just gets confusing and out of hand
20:19	v-dogg	"JavaScript itself is not confident in its prototypal nature, so it offers an object-making syntax that is reminiscent of the classical languages" ... "It is the worst of both worlds" :)
20:19	asonge	(function () { function privMethod() { ... } function pubMethod() { ... } return { pubMethod: pubMethod }; })();
20:21	Jarda	I also recommend crockfords home page
20:21	asonge	^^^
20:21	Jarda	crockford.com
20:21	asonge	that's where i learned all my js concepts
20:22	Jarda	It'll be nice to read the book after v-dogg :)
20:22	v-dogg	you can then explain all the tricky parts to me :)
20:23	Jarda	I was hoping for the opposite :D
20:25	Jarda	you still get to teach and guide me. One day it'll be the other way around ;)
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20:25	v-dogg	yeah, next week or so
20:27	jurica	jippeee just one more night!
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21:01	FMJaguar	so following this: http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/step1/creating-agavi-project.html
21:02	FMJaguar	the url at the bottom does not work, but /pub does
21:02	FMJaguar	the url is correct right?
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21:05	FMJaguar	there is one error during the build http://pastebin.com/3ySPD1yf
21:12	FMJaguar	ok i think i got it
21:14	FMJaguar	this line "Space-separated list of actions to create for Default:" should be answered 'Index' because 2 questions later it defaults to the Default\Index action
21:15	jurica	FMJaguar: the tutorial is full of errors :/ in the end it gets even worse
21:16	jurica	check the agavi sample app
21:16	FMJaguar	and the url actually points to the folder that it was installed in, i symlinked the app to / so the url would be /pub
21:16	FMJaguar	=(((
21:17	FMJaguar	maybe if i get someone in production i can rewrite it
21:17	jurica	you should make pub/ the htdocs dir in youre webservers config
21:17	jurica	which webserver do you use?
21:17	FMJaguar	apache2
21:19	jurica	check youre pm for a sample apache vhost
21:19	FMJaguar	i can fix all that up, the confusion was because i was misreading /bloggie/pub to be <root>/<app>/<pub> when it's <root>/<pub>
21:20	jurica	ah
21:21	FMJaguar	but now i'm scared to move on
21:21	FMJaguar	maybe i'll just stop and look at the welcome page for a few weeks
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21:34	Jarda	nah
21:34	Jarda	I learned the first steps via the tutorial
21:34	Jarda	it's not that bad
21:38	jurica	no but still full or errors :p
21:43	Rayne	still? meh.
21:46	FMJaguar	too bad its not a wiki
21:49	jurica	hmm a wiki is not a bad idea
22:07	v-dogg	don't say that to David
22:08	v-dogg	he will set you on fire
22:08	Rayne	NEIN NEIN NEIN []
22:10	jurica	i could set up the wiki get you all to the pone to use it and then we could drop the bomb on david together! :)
22:11	v-dogg	he would invade all our home countries (but first Poland)
22:18	Wombert	I'll also burn Lapland
22:18	v-dogg	hehee, hi there w?mbs
22:18	Wombert	notes minus points for v-dogg and jurica for ze attempted backstab
22:19	v-dogg	woot, I'm on your side you stupid kraut!
22:19	v-dogg	advicing him not to do it
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22:25	jurica	oh hi david :)
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23:29	FMJaguar	where is the sample project?
23:36	jurica	http://svn.agavi.org/trunk/samples/
23:37	jurica	use the stable release: http://svn.agavi.org/tags/1.0.3/samples/
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23:45	jurica	is off now, catching some sleep for oktoberfest tomorrow
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00:11	FMJaguar	what are people debugging with? xdebug?
00:12	FMJaguar	i made a module and i just get a 404, default module works, so not sure if it's hitting the router or what
00:14	FMJaguar	hmm since its a 404 it can't be hitting the router
00:15	FMJaguar	has to be allowoverride
00:15	FMJaguar	Law and Order: Special Agavi Unit
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10:30	FMJaguar	PST/Vegas
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10:30	FMJaguar	-8
10:32	v-dogg	righty-o
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12:48	sth	jurica: Does it all work?
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20:55	_cheerios	is it possible to know using javascript if a form's file input has been used (to select a file) ?
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21:37	saracen_	_cheerios: Does onchange work?
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23:31	_cheerios	watched Rosemary's Baby, pretty good for an old horror movie
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23:46	_cheerios	RE: previous question, seems reading the input's value works fine.
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00:35	_cheerios	was there a way to show a thumbnail of the uploaded file (when an image) straight away?
00:36	_cheerios	(before the submit)
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13:38	_cheerios	rain, rain, rain...
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16:13	_cheerios	o_O PostgreSQL 9.0.0. This major update to PostgreSQL brings easy-to-use replication, mass permission-changing, anonymous code blocks, enhanced stored procedure support, exclusion constraints, deferrable unique constraints, and a variety of other enhancements.
16:13	movvy	cute
16:13	movvy	we are back to mysql though
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16:14	Yossi_B	Huomenta
16:14	Yossi_B	Anyone hiring web developers in London area and be willing to sponsor me for a Visa?
16:23	v-dogg	oh, RC1 already (re: _cheerios )
16:30	v-dogg	per-column triggers is one thing I'm eager to try as they could considerably ease the load on our servers (not that we have any load problems but less load is still always nice :)
16:48	_cheerios	my problem is shipping, not database -related :)
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19:05	_cheerios	v-dogg, seems to be final, mainpage not updated yet.
19:05	_cheerios	(docs say release date is tomorrow)
19:05	asonge	in agavi validation, i have an array input and i want to whitelist some keys
19:06	_cheerios	http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/release-9-0.html
19:06	asonge	is this possible, or do i have to have a dozen <validator> definitions?
19:06	v-dogg	_cheerios: yeah
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20:21	graste1	asonge, try writing a custom validator - it's easier than fiddling around with existing validators in many cases
20:53	_cheerios	i have a homepage! http://jussivaihia.com/
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21:25	v-dogg	you are quite hip :)
21:25	v-dogg	nice pic
21:28	_cheerios	thanks. :)
21:41	movvy	haha, fucking with validators
21:41	movvy	fucking classic
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06:05	FMJaguar	i used firefox 3.6's drag and drop, and because you have the binary data locally you can display it before you send it
06:05	FMJaguar	i am not sure if that translates to something that works on input elements though
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07:32	simoncpu	huomenta people!
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08:23	FMJaguar	!
08:23	v-dogg	huomenta
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08:54	_cheerios	huomenta
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09:23	graste	huomenta
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10:43	Yossi_B	Huomenta
10:46	_cheerios	estimated 400k asians gold farm for a living? :D
10:54	simoncpu	_cheerios: some chinese do it fulltime
10:55	simoncpu	looks profitable though, especially with the right tools (i.e., bots)
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14:37	_cheerios	facebook employs 39 psychologists working on the site? o_O
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15:38	Yossi_B	_cheerios:woot? Where did you hear that?
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16:05	_cheerios	linkedin
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22:02	_cheerios	RAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
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23:06	MikeSeth	holy dog zmq is awesome
23:07	MikeSeth	a tweaked request/response handler for Agavi and you can plug it right into Mongrel stack
23:11	_cheerios	im on rabbitmq, what's the diff?
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08:54	jeeez	huomenta
08:55	jeeez	i have a form with 4 fields. how do i write a validator that just makes sure atleast one of them is filled?
09:00	Jarda	wrap them in a or validator
09:05	jeeez	can u give an example ??please
09:05	jeeez	okay, got it
09:07	Jarda	http://gist.github.com/589381
09:07	Jarda	something like this
09:07	Jarda	not tested
09:08	Jarda	oh, of course in most cases you need in or validator <ae:parameter name="break">false</ae:parameter> or something similar
09:08	Jarda	to make it NOT stop on first successfull
09:09	jeeez	thank u
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10:18	Yossi_B	Huomenta
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10:51	_cheerios	huomenta
10:52	_cheerios	moved office 20m to the left.
10:59	MikeSeth	o/~ change
10:59	MikeSeth	o/~ 7 seconds away
10:59	MikeSeth	o/~ just as long as I stay
11:04	ttj_	_cheerios: Let's go to a paragliding course.
11:34	ttj_	There's the added perk that after the beginning course you can slap a lawnmower motor on your back and fly 700km trips. :P
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11:45	_cheerios	o_O
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11:52	ttj	_cheerios: Don't think about it too much, just say yes... :)
11:54	_cheerios	does the course begin by writing down your will? :)
11:54	ttj	No no, it's not like parachuting or anything like that.
11:54	v-dogg	wtf... Firefox flash plugin has crashed about 10 times within the last 24h
11:55	ttj	You take your wing and then someone pulls you into the air with a car or something like that.
11:55	ttj	You have your "parachute" already open, so nothing bad can happen. ;)
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11:55	ttj	The motorized version then just enables you to get in the air by yourself with a lawnmower engine. :P
12:00	_cheerios	github down? meh.
12:00	_cheerios	im not too fond of heights. seems pretty exciting, though :)
12:01	ttj	Well, I'm also scared of sitting near the window on the fifth floor at the office, but what the hell... :P
12:01	ttj	My other alternative is that I want to get a Hobie Cat 16 or something similar.
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12:03	_cheerios	ttj: heimoi.com quite there to face the public. now just need to start racking up users day by day.
12:04	ttj	I'll make you a deal. You come to the course with me and I start using heimoi.com. :P
12:04	_cheerios	uh-oh.
12:04	_cheerios	hell of a way to get a first user :D
12:05	ttj	http://juvankoski.kapsi.fi/kuvat/mova/pirun_valtakunta1.jpg
12:05	ttj	But think of how cool that is!
12:05	_cheerios	:)
12:06	ttj	I think you could even land that rather easily right to the front door of a bar.
12:06	ttj	And because the gear isn't too big, you could just check it into the coat check. ::think
12:11	_cheerios	http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/09/oktoberfest_2010.html
12:21	ttj	http://juvankoski.kapsi.fi/kuvat/mova/i_otaniemi1_290706.jpg <-- I can see my office from here!
12:23	_cheerios	quite a setup he has
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12:24	splatch	hi folks :)
12:24	splatch	does anyone needs additional PHP programmer ?
12:28	ttj	_cheerios: #17">http://www.x-pilot.info/x/mova-faq/#17 <-- Haha. "Suomessa lennetään ilmailusääntöjen mukaan erilailla, kuin tässä videossa Koreassa."
12:33	_cheerios	looks good on video, but yeah, dangerous
12:33	_cheerios	i was expecting something shot in the nighttime going thru vegas/NY center :)
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12:37	_cheerios	5000e to get started? (double when qualified for motor)
12:38	_cheerios	i like their faq. "is it safe?". "no"
12:43	ttj	:)
12:43	ttj	Well, I was just thinking of doing the PP1 and PP2 courses (without the motor stuff at this point).
12:43	ttj	That would apparently be ~1500e and you can borrow the equipment.
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13:25	MikeSeth	splatch: wanna move to Israel?
13:26	horros	Hmm. I'm sure I saw somewhere someone doing a route based on the user-agent header
13:27	MikeSeth	horros: it's a source
13:29	horros	well, yes.
13:29	horros	I'm more after an example tbh :P
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13:32	MikeSeth	i think there's one in the sample app
13:32	v-dogg	<route pattern="piip" source="_SERVER[HTTP_USER_AGENT]" output_type="piip" stop="false" />
13:34	horros	Thanks!
13:34	graste	:-)
13:49	horros	Hmm. This seems silly.
13:50	horros	What's the Proper Way (tm) to get Agavi to render a specific template (HTML-stuff, yes) when accessed with a specific browser?
13:52	v-dogg	one (or only a few) page or everytime?
13:53	horros	A few pages.
13:54	horros	Need to serve stripped down versions of some pages for mobile devices.
13:55	horros	Should I do some $rd->getHeader('User-Agent') trickery in the view or what?
14:06	MikeSeth	well you could define an output type
14:06	MikeSeth	for mobile devices that's prolly the way to go
14:06	_cheerios	m.site.com :)
14:08	horros	MikeSeth: Hrrm, yeah, but no but yeah but no but yeah but :\|
14:09	_cheerios	horros: with modern browsers, @media-queries client-side, and tweak CSS accordingly.
14:09	horros	_cheerios: But surely that'd cause the device to download three truckloads of useless rubbish that only gets hidden with css's display:none?
14:10	_cheerios	yup
14:10	saracen_	You werent planning on just showing everything, but in a different format then?
14:10	horros	No.
14:10	horros	16:02 < horros> Need to serve stripped down versions
14:11	_cheerios	WAP :D
14:11	saracen_	Is it mostly the templates that will change, or logic in actions/views too?
14:11	MikeSeth	output type is your friend
14:12	MikeSeth	write a filter that hammers down yer html
14:12	MikeSeth	or something
14:12	saracen_	output type is not always your friend
14:12	v-dogg	different output type and a route with a custom callback is prolly something I'd look into (custom callback so that you have do a bit more extensive user-agent string parsing)
14:13	v-dogg	or the same logic in baseview::initialize perhaps
14:13	_cheerios	i'd stuggest m.site.com, that sets a cookie, and user can toggle back'n'forth between mobile/normal -view, so you can tweak to your heart's content server-side without trying to get all UserAgent's right.
14:13	v-dogg	(you can still alter the output type in view::initialize)
14:14	horros	saracen_: Logic won't change. For the pages I need to serve up it'll display more or less the same content data (minus stuff that aren't important to see on mobile devices)
14:14	horros	Hmm.
14:15	saracen_	Then I'd use a custom callback, which just changes the decorator/content layer targets, so that it can use Template.mobile.php if the overrided template exists
14:15	saracen_	If it doesn't, it uses the default. If the mobile template exists and you've switched to mobile mode, it'll load that one
14:16	horros	I shall look into that. Seems like it'd probably be the most clever way to go.
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14:25	horros	Hrrm, how'd I go about setting the layer targets?
14:28	horros	ahaa...
14:28	horros	$container->getOutputType()->getLager()
14:28	horros	err, yes, getLager() indeed :D
14:28	saracen_	:D
14:28	horros	mmm, lager
14:31	v-dogg	now you got us all distracted...
14:37	v-dogg	go twitter go...
14:40	saracen_	horros: Just looking, this is the way I'd do it... (hold on sec :D)
14:41	saracen_	http://trac.agavi.org/browser/trunk/src/view/AgaviFileTemplateLayer.class.php#L43
14:41	saracen_	See the way translation adds a new target? You can setup new targets in output types, but I'm not sure how you'd do it conditionally like this. If you make your own FileTemplateLayer class, you can tell your layer sto use that one in output_types.xml
14:42	saracen_	output_types: <layer name="decorator" class="ProfileFileTemplateLayer">
14:42	saracen_	like that
14:43	saracen_	err, Project* not profile :D
14:43	horros	If this trickery I'm attempting to do doesn't work out, I'll give that a shot!
14:44	horros	Actually, smeg it. I'll give it a shot now!
15:01	splatch	MikeSeth: no, thanks :)
15:02	splatch	MikeSeth: I thought about remote work
15:02	MikeSeth	elance :>
15:02	splatch	I can provide vat invoice ;)
15:02	MikeSeth	how much do you charge per hour?
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15:02	splatch	MikeSeth: which currency do you preffer?
15:03	MikeSeth	usd, euro
15:06	splatch	MikeSeth: I think 1500-2000 euro for whole month, about 10 euro/hour
15:10	splatch	MikeSeth: good knowledge of xhtml/css, good zend framework, basics of Agavi, Symfony, Doctrine
15:11	horros	hrm.
15:12	splatch	I can teach he Agavi (I been using 0.11 rc..) and make he more productive
15:12	splatch	it's my employee :)
15:14	MikeSeth	splatch: remind me which country are you from? .pl?
15:15	splatch	MikeSeth: yes, you are right, I am from Poland
15:15	splatch	but I workin with US/China/India too
15:16	MikeSeth	I will ask my boss just in case
15:16	MikeSeth	you're ok with NDAs right?
15:16	splatch	MikeSeth: sure, if you pay, I will shut up :)
15:17	MikeSeth	hahaha
15:17	MikeSeth	damn polacks
15:17	MikeSeth	wait didn't we meed in London?
15:18	splatch	MikeSeth: no, I wasn't in London yet :)
15:19	MikeSeth	oh damn who was the guy that I drank with in London durr
15:19	saracen_	Must have just been some other guy stealing BRITISH JOBS RAWRRWRR
15:19	splatch	hehe, don't drink with polacks ;]
15:19	MikeSeth	saracen_: nay it was at the con
15:19	splatch	saracen_: I don't steal - I offer lower costs :)
15:19	MikeSeth	David's still mad at me
15:20	saracen_	splatch: Uh-huh :P
15:20	saracen_	Anyway, I'll ask a guy about work for you too
15:21	splatch	saracen_: it is not for me, but for my employee, which sit in my office at Warsaw
15:21	saracen_	Oh
15:21	horros	Bah. I broke it :x
15:22	splatch	anyway I also have GWT guy which can do sexy GUI with it (http://www.sencha.com/products/gwt/)
15:23	horros	ah well, I'll sort this tomorrow.
15:23	horros	-->
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16:30	MrJeep	just wondering
16:30	MrJeep	if a validator validates a request data
16:30	MrJeep	it is 'validated' even for slots view ?
16:30	MrJeep	I mean just slots
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20:46	FMJaguar	does anyone use a ide for xml schemas?
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22:07	_cheerios	gmail is being really slow (even using chrome)
22:12	saracen_	Wombert: pm
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09:03	_cheerios	huomenta
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09:25	splatch	hi
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11:53	horros	humms
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11:56	Jarda	humms back
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12:11	Yossi_B	Huomenta
12:12	Yossi_B	FMJaguar: I use a netbeans plugin for xsd
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12:45	horros	This is rather weird. I've extended AgaviFileTemplateLayer with my own that sets some targets, yes? I var_dump out the result of the array_merge call in AgaviFileTemplateLayer's constructor, and I see the targets. I var_dump($this->getParameter('targets')) in AgaviStreamTemplateLayer's getResourceStreamIdentifier() and wham, they're gone and I only see the targets I set in output_types.xml.
12:45	horros	o_O
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13:11	horros	Ha! Fixed it by setting the targets I wanted in output_types.xml and just setting a named parameter in my extended FileTemplateLayer-class's initialize method.
13:38	saracen	:D
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13:49	horros	Sweet. Now it serves up specific templates for android phones, iphones and my old e52!
14:05	_cheerios	browsing on mobile is <3 given the sites do not suck
14:07	horros	<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, height=device-height" /> is quite lovely!
14:27	_cheerios	yep
14:36	_cheerios	problems I've come acrross: 1) input + small screen + how the virtual keyboard comes up on a touc screen 2) different layouts on different resolutions are a small headache
14:43	saracen	wonders where David is
14:46	horros	According to facebook he reached SEN yesterday, which I'm assuming is the London Southend airport.
14:46	horros	Not sure though.
14:48	jurica	at least in the afternoon he was in munich
14:51	saracen	He PMs me occasionally when I'm not around, with no explanation just the question "are you here?"
14:51	saracen	It bugs me
14:51	jurica	haha
14:58	_cheerios	i vaguely remember his last tweet being "OKTOBERFEST HERE I COME"
14:59	jurica	these are usually my words :p
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15:18	MrJeep	which class is used to transform a string like myarray[key1][key2][key3] into a value of a real array ?
15:18	MrJeep	(it's quite possible I'm not clear)
15:20	MrJeep	got it
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16:13	splatch	MikeSeth: ping
16:14	splatch	saracen: ping
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16:50	saracen	splatch: sup?
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18:37	FMJaguar	horros: hmm i'll note that, since part of what i want to do is serve different templates for mobile
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18:50	FMJaguar	http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/step8/introduction.html
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18:52	FMJaguar	nm, it looked like the password was in the autologon, but it's the salted hash
18:52	FMJaguar	i think?
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04:17		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
04:17		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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04:28		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
04:28		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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04:54		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
04:54		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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05:04		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
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11:18	jeeez	hi, i'm planning to use an ajax request on a web page.
11:19	jeeez	should i create a whole action just to process it or can i just put a php file in pub?
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11:58	v-dogg	jeeez: (i) you should (probably) but (ii) you can (of course)
11:59	Jarda	I can't see why you would want to put an separate script to your pub..
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12:15	saracen	v-dogg: That was difficult to read :P
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12:26	v-dogg	:)
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14:57	_cheerios	huomenta
14:59	krycek_	huo
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15:21	horros	Umm, can I use an AgaviConfig-var as a caching group somehow?
15:24	horros	I suppose I have to set it as an attribute in the action?
15:26	fnordfish	horros: http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#caching_2
15:26	fnordfish	`configuration_directive`
15:26	horros	Ah, neat!
15:26	horros	Thanks.
15:27	fnordfish	np
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18:45	E_mE	at what point is the Translation Manager initiated? I'm trying to access the TM from a global filter, but i always get non-object errors
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18:49	E_mE	actually sorry not global filters
18:49	E_mE	user::startup()
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02:26	hzilla	->florence!
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09:40	_cheerios	anyone play with POOPR?
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09:54	horros	Hmm. Is it punishable by death to do an include() in a template? I have a page on which I need to display a section that is somewhat different for a few different cases. Seems silly to redo the whole template for all cases or have a shitton of ifs and elses there, and a slot is also rather silly, because the data has already been fetched and I'd rather avoid yet another roundtrip to the framework :\|
09:56	Jarda	horros: we do something like if ($t['editmode']) { include 'RowsForm.inc.php'; } else { include 'Rows.inc.php'; }
09:58	horros	Jarda: And no black choppers nor ninjas wearing BX-logos have assaulted you yet?
09:58	horros	Sweet.
09:58	Jarda	no, nothing like that :)
09:58	horros	Good stuff!
09:59	Jarda	But I'm tempted to move development to the direction where I make rows editable by javascript
09:59	Jarda	hit the "Edit" button and
10:00	Jarda	boom your rows are now in form mode
10:01	Jarda	but making that unobstructive (or whatever) still needs the edit templates for users with no javascript :)
10:02	horros	Users with no javascript can go jump in the lake as far as I'm concerned.
10:02	Jarda	:D
10:03	Jarda	we have to disable javascript for certain users (user agent switching)
10:03	Jarda	some nokia browsers _have_ javascript support but they do it wrong
10:03	horros	I'm quite curious what jQuery mobile will be like.
10:03	Jarda	so semi-functional javascript is the hell..
10:04	Jarda	horros: me too!
10:04	Jarda	I'll definitely do some demo project with it
10:04	Jarda	looks sooooooo sweet
10:04	horros	Yes, well, for people with the first gen S60 I have a suggestion - chuck the phone in the lake.
10:04	Jarda	horros: unfortunately E90 is still the best phone if you need to type much..
10:05	Jarda	and it's v3
10:05	horros	I never could get any of Nokia's WRT-stuff to work on the E90.
10:05	Jarda	but it's javascript sucks rats ass
10:05	Jarda	its
10:06	horros	Peculiar. the E52 seems to do a rather decent job of not cocking up too much when using JS.
10:06	horros	Even my jQuery tabs and accordions worked =)
10:07	Jarda	I'm also waiting eagerly for HTC Desire Z, qwerty (not on-screen) with scandinavian layout'
10:07	Jarda	horros: v-dogg has an E55 and it also manages to do quite good job with jquery
10:07	Jarda	but my E90 tries to use javascript and fails :)
10:08	horros	E55... That's the one with the really weird keyboard, yes?
10:08	horros	Ah, yes, yes it is.
10:08	Jarda	well ok, v-dogg's E55 doesn't let him out of any datepicker input, but that might be a developer error also :)
10:08	Jarda	I've tweaked the datepicker a bit :)
10:08	horros	hehe
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10:12	Jarda	also on the news: I'm hungry.
10:12	Jarda	v-dogg: !
10:22	_cheerios	android sucks, waiting for meego.
10:27	Jarda	not me..
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11:46	_cheerios	mmm.. sushi friday's
12:37	Wombert	oh god
12:37	Wombert	this is definitely the worst Friday of my life
12:37	Wombert	working on a Symfony project
12:37	sth	lolz
12:37	Wombert	this framework is such a fucking trainwreck
12:37	Wombert	it's incredible
12:37	Wombert	god damnit
12:37	Jarda	where's my agavi11 :(
12:38	Jarda	needs response attributes
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12:49	_cheerios	gaah, office internet being slow
12:56	v-dogg	internet seems to have a bad day
13:00	Rendez	Wombert: yes, you're right, please fix Agavi, I'm waiting for my ticket...
13:00	Rendez	:P
13:01	Rendez	Symfony ain't that bad, just not clean
13:03	Rendez	and its routing sucks
13:03	Wombert	it is bad
13:03	Rendez	and everything is plug-n-play.
13:03	Rendez	:S
13:03	Wombert	it is a fucking pile of junk
13:04	saracen	I like their tutorials.
13:04	Rendez	hah
13:05	saracen	Wombert: http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/step7/the-form-population-filter.html
13:05	saracen	Search "WTF", then click.
13:06	saracen	But yeah, symfony's tutorial over the december month thing is pretty neat.
13:08	_cheerios	symfony2 seems slick?
13:09	saracen	I haven't looked at that yet, I do plan on playing with it though
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14:25	MugeSo	Huomenta
14:25	MugeSo	Wombert: are you there?
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14:43	_cheerios	http://bit.ly/biK4kU no idea what he says, but funny still :)
14:48	v-dogg	Hey, Lapland burners, translate please
14:58	Jarda	funny even though I have no idea what he's talking about :D
14:59	ttj	http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/129102231738038661.jpg
14:59	Jarda	can't locate fail..
15:00	Jarda	other than being in the uk :)
15:05	sth	could be Ireland
15:05	sth	Probably somewhere near Dublin
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15:49	MugeSo	I will talk about agavi updates in "Framework Update Lightning Talk" session of PHP Conference Japan 2010.
15:50	MugeSo	And David said he send me update detail! However it have not arrived!!
15:52	MugeSo	It's only 12 hours until starting the session!
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16:38	MugeSo	Why sample app don't have build.xml nor build.properties?
16:40	impl	I wonder where David is
16:41	Wombert	is here
16:41	Wombert	impl: new SSL cert has intermediate CA and jabberd is being a pussy about it
16:41	Wombert	MugeSo: will reply asap
16:41	MugeSo	Wombert: thanks
16:41	impl	Wombert: is this the ridiculous CA architecture I set up when I was there?
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17:08	Wombert	impl: no, Thawte
17:08	impl	ah
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17:42	MugeSo	I'm going to bed in preparation for tomorrow!
17:43	MugeSo	"Framework Update Lightning Talk" will start at 2:15 am GMT, after Rasmus' talk :D
17:44	MugeSo	ustream channel is here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/phpcon2010-a
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19:14	MrJeep	did anyone tried to use HTML 5 and the form population filter ?
19:16	MrJeep	I added those 2 lines to the FPF
19:16	MrJeep	<ae:parameter name="force_output_mode">xhtml</ae:parameter>
19:16	MrJeep	<ae:parameter name="savexml_options">LIBXML_NOEMPTYTAG</ae:parameter>
19:16	MrJeep	which unfortunately make it close all element such as meta base ...
19:16	MrJeep	it creates an end tag
19:16	MrJeep	and the html does not validate anymore
19:26	Jarda	use xhtml5
19:28	MrJeep	how ?
19:28	MrJeep	switching doctype ?
19:35	asonge	you can't use html5 as xml...because it isn't.
19:35	Jarda	asonge: you can
19:35	Jarda	it has a xml serialization
19:35	Jarda	called "XHTML5"
19:35	asonge	rly.
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19:37	Jarda	http://blog.whatwg.org/xhtml5-in-a-nutshell
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00:08	MugeSo	unfortunately my main PC troubled, and most of my files gone!
00:10	MugeSo	So i can't read my email currently!
00:19	MugeSo	I got it!
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03:02		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
03:02		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:09:56 2010]
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03:08		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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12:49	Jarda	hmm.. anyone who has played around agavis templating system?
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14:03	_cheerios	huomenta
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03:04		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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12:48	MugeSo	ok, I can connect now.
13:38	Yossi_B	Huomenta
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21:55	_cheerios	weekend hackathons are productive, almost re-wrote feedraider.com's core parts
21:56	Jarda	would love one..
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22:20	_cheerios	android has android voices o_O
22:31	_cheerios	applied a lag fix for my mobile yawn
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09:32	_cheerios	huomenta
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09:34	_cheerios	lively in the office premises now with another company taking half the space :)
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09:49	splatch	MikeSeth: ping
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11:02	_cheerios	nngh, a few hours on these Isku chairs and my legs cramp. :<
11:07	Yossi_B	Huomenta
11:12	_cheerios	cool http://destmapper.com/
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13:33	_cheerios	stalin is now following me. great.
13:33	_cheerios	my fanbase consists of dead people.
13:35	Jarda	:D
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14:01	_cheerios	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8027301/Segway-company-owner-dies-riding-two-wheeled-machine-off-cliff.html o_O
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14:13	Wombert	oh god, symfony...
14:13	Wombert	see, sfSessionStorage() has auto_start
14:15	Rayne	hello *
14:16	_cheerios	wombert falling in love with symfony? o_O
14:16	Wombert	not at all
14:16	Wombert	such a fucking trainwreck of a framework
14:16	Wombert	bugs left and right
14:16	Wombert	god fucking damnit
14:16	horros	_cheerios: Ha, I _just_ read that segway news elsewhere =)
14:17	Jarda	god damn jquery ui datepicker..
14:17	Jarda	FFUUUUU
14:18	v-dogg	Wombert: why do you care?
14:18	Wombert	v-dogg: 'cause I'm working on a project where they use symfony
14:18	Wombert	and it's making me really, really angry <3
14:19	Wombert	it's such a ridiculous framework
14:19	Jarda	Wombert: may I ask _why_ you are working with the project?
14:19	Wombert	I've found three undefined offset notices in one day
14:19	Wombert	cause one of their cool plugins is written badly
14:19	Wombert	no wiat, all of them
14:19	Wombert	and nobody really cares to write clean, robust code
14:20	Wombert	so it falls on its ugly face every other minute
14:20	Wombert	also, they have environments
14:20	Wombert	but only "dev" and "prod"
14:20	Wombert	cool huh?
14:20	Wombert	no custom db config for you!
14:20	Wombert	must have your own config file
14:20	Wombert	and the entire thing is like that
14:20	Wombert	it's just so fail
14:21	Wombert	sfSessionStorage does session_start() and self::$sessionStarted = true; in initialize()
14:21	Wombert	then sfDatabaseSessionStorage calls parent::initializ
14:21	Wombert	e()
14:21	Wombert	sets auto_start to false first
14:21	Wombert	then afterwards calls session_start() unconditionally
14:21	Wombert	so not only does it always start a session no matter what you configured
14:22	Wombert	it also doesn't set self::$sessionStarted to true;
14:22	Wombert	and you can't do it yourself since it's protected
14:22	Wombert	subclassing it is then
14:22	Wombert	because, hey, why would they bother double checking their code to make sure it doesn't completely suck fucking donkey balls
14:22	Wombert	sometimes I think I really put too much effort into making Agavi robust and clean and relatively bug-free
14:23	Jarda	I thought bitextend does agavi consulting :o
14:23	Jarda	are you adding "Symfony Insulting" to your service portfolio? :)
14:23	Wombert	yea Jarda if you'd like to pay me more than they do to work on your Agavi project, be my guest
14:23	Wombert	it's not strictly a symfony-related thing here, but it inevitably involves working with it
14:23	Jarda	Wombert: you have to ask v-dogg. I'd love to work with you :)
14:24	Wombert	:p
14:24	Wombert	I have to admit though, Agavi's auto_start in the session code has been broken for years
14:24	Wombert	at least it's properly broken :p
14:24	Wombert	not in such a crappy I-don't-give-a-shit kind of way
14:26	v-dogg	haha
14:26	v-dogg	"we do things properly - even bugs"
14:29	Jarda	http://www.bbc.co.uk/glow/
14:29	Jarda	cool :o
14:31	_cheerios	what's the cool part? :)
14:31	Jarda	the widgets
14:32	luke`	Wombert's rant is a gem :)
14:33	Wombert	I've been doing this for three days, and I've already found so many parts in the code where it's so obvious that whoever wrote it just doesn't give a shit
14:33	sth	you should hear his rant about how they changed the colour of gummi bears...
14:33	Wombert	sth: that is only a conspiracy
14:34	Wombert	it doesn't make me nearly as angry as this crap
14:38	luke`	sth: lol
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14:52	MikeSeth	Wombert: looked at mongrel2 yet?
14:52	Wombert	no
14:52	MikeSeth	you should
14:52	MikeSeth	zed shaw is the man
14:52	MikeSeth	I might be writing an Agavi handler for mongrel2
14:52	MikeSeth	it's so win
14:53	_cheerios	what can you do with it better?
14:53	MikeSeth	_cheerios: it's basically a ZeroMQ based application server
14:54	MikeSeth	with global configuration and application deployment tools
14:54	MikeSeth	it relays HTTP requests to zeromq bindings using publish/subscribe model
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15:27	luke`	MikeSeth: sounds like nodejs
15:27	_cheerios	MikeSeth: sounds fancy enough
15:28	splatch	MikeSeth: hi
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16:47	MikeSeth	lol impl in zombie mode
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21:41	_cheerios	meh. alphanumeric list (eg. [0,5,'a','6','B',25]) to be sorted so that the result is (retaining order) upto 3 numerics, 1 alpha (=056a65B). problem is, it took me over an hour to implement. dinosaur :(
21:42	_cheerios	* result is "for every line" makes more sense, for that vague description
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22:27	horros	Ahaha, Red Bull <3
22:28	horros	(The PR-boss Helmut Marko) "Kimi has been the fastest on some stages, but it's hard to read Red Bull if the text is upside down."
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09:50	_cheerios	seems i missed this :) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1315336/United-Nations-appoint-space-ambassador-act-contact-aliens-visiting-Earth.html
09:51	MugeSo	Huomenta
09:51	Yossi_B	Huomenta
10:07	horros	_cheerios: Yeah, I want that job if it's on a monthly salary.
10:07	_cheerios	i hadn't realized how much faster things are to build than five years ago. should stop procrastinating and just do things, webapps take only a few days now to do; not even weeks.
10:08	_cheerios	(RE: rewriting feedraider.com)
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10:24	jurica	finally wants some information on salama!
10:25	_cheerios	:)
10:31	_cheerios	#newtwitter seems ok
10:36	Jarda	can't spot any difference
10:39	_cheerios	wider layout, can see previews of tweets. nothing must have yet, maybe easies following hashtags. search at top is good.
10:47	splatch	hi :)
11:08	Yossi_B	Hi
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12:01	Rendez	huomenta!
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14:35	CLN	hey everyone i have some questions regarding the usage of propel in agavi
14:36	CLN	i dont seem to have understood the mechanics of that
14:36	luke`	I used propel ages ago
14:36	CLN	hmm
14:38	CLN	when i create the propel models (in my case in app/lib/propel) , how can i instantiate them? and how can i bound them together with the agavi models? i'm not rly through with this. maybe theres some major mistake in my structure?
14:41	v-dogg	you add AgaviConfig::get('core.app_dir') . '/lib/propel' to your include_path and initialize Propel (either manually or by configuring AgaviPropelDatabase in databases.xml)
14:41	v-dogg	autoloading takes care of the rest
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14:42	E_mE	is there a channel for APC?
14:42	v-dogg	not that I know of
14:42	v-dogg	#pecl perhaps?
14:42	E_mE	just our staging and production are sharing code
14:42	E_mE	which is cached in APC
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14:48	_cheerios	bad idea without namespacing :)
14:59	E_mE	ahhhh interesting
15:00	v-dogg	shouldn't APC use cached stuff based on file names, not class names etc.?
15:03	_cheerios	i understood he was storing values to APC beyond the filecache
15:04	_cheerios	using different servers is a quick rememdy to caching woes due different environments
15:04	Wombert	was there even a question? :p
15:05	_cheerios	wombert speaking during working hours, how un-german :)
15:05	CLN	(v-dogg): now i get an error in \AgaviPropelAutoload.php:35 require(propel/Propel.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream
15:06	Wombert	propel needs to be on your include path, too, CLN
15:06	Wombert	(that stuff is in the propel docs tho :p)
15:06	CLN	i have it there
15:09	CLN	written set_include_path(AgaviConfig::get('core.app_dir') . '/lib/propel'); in app/config.php + linked the propel conf file in the databases.xml
15:09	v-dogg	CLN: propel/Propel.php is where you installed Propel
15:10	v-dogg	ie. it's part of the Propel core, not your om files
15:10	CLN	ah
15:13	CLN	so i totally misunderstood the meaning
15:13	CLN	ok the error vanished
15:14	CLN	thx, lets see how far i come now
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15:36	Wombert	once the propel runtime and your models are on the include path and you have databases.xml configured with <database name="..." class="AgaviPropelDatabase"><ae:parameter name="config">%core.app_dir%/project-conf.php</ae:parameter></ae:database>, you should be good to go
15:36	Wombert	just instantiate any model and work with it and save it, and a connection will be created for you etc etc
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15:39	rozza	hugs Wombert
15:39	rozza	hello mate
15:39	Wombert	what up rozza
15:39	Wombert	all good?
15:39	Wombert	hey didn't you switch jobs again?
15:39	rozza	yeap - you stopped flying off round the world?
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15:40	Wombert	yes, for a few weeks anyway
15:40	rozza	jet setter eh?
15:40	Wombert	remind me, where do you work now?
15:40	Wombert	and is it going well?
15:40	rozza	yeah I'm working for a start up :o
15:40	rozza	all good
15:40	rozza	<3 python <3
15:40	Wombert	more jetlag than jetset unfortunately...
15:40	rozza	lol - you seem to be having fun!
15:40	Wombert	in ye olden days I'm sure flying that much was a lot more glamorous
15:41	Wombert	so and so, it can get tiresome after a while...
15:41	MikeSeth	yeah <3 python
15:41	MikeSeth	from a screenscraping library I wrote:
15:42	MikeSeth	if rec['country_code_iso'] == 'PS': raise ValueError('No such country')
15:42	MikeSeth	;P
15:43	rozza	:p
15:43	rozza	I work @ www.streetbook.ocm
15:44	rozza	* www.streetbook.com
15:44	rozza	even
15:44	rozza	hyper local type stuff / forums mostly
15:44	Wombert	MikeSeth: much better are all the list thingie things and dicts and owwww tuples and mmmmh arg dereferencing with ** and owwwww <3 python
15:45	rozza	but with a bit of up my street style street pages - ala: http://www.streetbook.com/gb/london/sw11-6/hillier-road/
15:45	rozza	still doing a pilot area of london but growing
15:46	rozza	hows bitexender coming on?
15:47	rozza	http://www.bitextender.com/team.html - Simon looks very shady
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15:48	MikeSeth	lol dominik looks like he isn't an insane infinite recursion C++ coder
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15:48	jurica	rofl!
15:49	MikeSeth	Wombert: you need a girl on the team
15:49	Wombert	MikeSeth: can I hire your mom?
15:49	Wombert	:D
15:49	splatch	hi MikeSeth :)
15:49	MikeSeth	you can
15:49	MikeSeth	but it won't do you any good
15:49	MikeSeth	splatch: sup
15:49	Wombert	rozza: busybusy working on projectz all over the place
15:49	MikeSeth	splatch: oh right.. lemme ask ze boss
15:49	rozza	thats good
15:49	Wombert	MikeSeth: is she an angry Russian Jew mum that will hate me on the basis I'm German? :>
15:50	splatch	MikeSeth: you read my mind ;-)
15:50	Wombert	"OHAI GERMANZ I WILL HAVE MY VENGEANCE NAO"
15:50	splatch	hi Wombert
15:50	Wombert	yo splatch
15:50	Rayne	lol guys :3
15:50	digitarald	Wombert: I was wondering how I can continue to fight to switch to Agavi at my startup ... whats up with the stagnant development?
15:51	rozza	hugs digitarald
15:51	Wombert	digitarald: give me time (=money) and I will work on it :p
15:51	rozza	houmenta
15:51	Wombert	we're just too busy with things
15:51	Wombert	also
15:51	Wombert	I'm working on a symfony project right now
15:51	Wombert	so I'm finally qualified to make statements about this framework
15:51	digitarald	rozza!
15:51	Wombert	and it's a motherfucking trainwreck
15:51	saracen	15:58:14 < Wombert> MikeSeth: is she an angry Russian Jew mum that will hate me on the basis I'm German? :>
15:51	saracen	Doesn't everybody hate you on that basis?
15:51	digitarald	I know, working with it full-time since over a tyear
15:51	Wombert	saracen: point well made
15:51	saracen	Why would a russian jew mum be any different
15:51	digitarald	luckily without any db, just web service driven
15:52	Wombert	I mean, puh-leeze, no arbitrary environments? just dev and prod? so fucking retarded...
15:52	Wombert	so you copy configs around
15:52	Wombert	and shit
15:52	Wombert	and all so gah
15:52	Wombert	and buggy and full of little oversights
15:52	digitarald	Hudson does that for me, but yes
15:52	Wombert	it's driven me insane tons of times last week already
15:52	MikeSeth	Wombert: let's.. just not go there
15:52	digitarald	invested also a good part of my energy to work around bugs and design flaws
15:53	Wombert	MikeSeth: going to England next week for PHPNW and I'll be on ze frameworks panel and I'll rip this fucking thing apart :>
15:53	Wombert	digitarald: I've witnessed it now... it's less productive on basic levels than Agavi
15:53	saracen	Symfony has something awesome Agavi doesn't
15:53	MikeSeth	splatch: will you please email me@mikeseth.com with: 1) the guy's profile/experience/CV 2) how long he's going to be availableb 3) how much he wishes to charge
15:54	MikeSeth	Wombert: rape it to death, take a dump on the body
15:54	digitarald	especially if you don't want the magic or the magic even gets in your way
15:55	rozza	digitarald: I heard there are some good frameworks in python ;)
15:55	_cheerios	aren't all the hip kids on nodejs + mongodb + (something like) sammy by now? :)
15:56	rozza	_cheerios: you need more erlang in that stack
15:56	Wombert	oh god don't get me started on mongodb
15:56	Wombert	what a fucking retarded "database"
15:57	MikeSeth	lol mongodb
15:57	MikeSeth	hurr durr it's web enabled
15:57	krycek_	saracen, I have to ask, what does symfony have?
15:58	MikeSeth	krycek_: odmin genaratar!
15:58	_cheerios	the french, the french!
15:58	saracen	krycek_: sex appeal
15:59	_cheerios	im clearly working too hard when there's nobody at the office after 4pm
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16:01	MikeSeth	pokes splatch
16:01	rozza	lol: lol: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/28/acs_ico/
16:02	saracen	You see, I bet symfony has a least one female in it's community. And she probably understands symfony better than most users understand Agavi. Then we're got the whole france vs. german situation. France: Has the city of love, and the people are dirty, filthy, animalistic sex-driven crazies. Then you've got Germany: Home of harsh sounding words with people that just want to invade everywhere.
16:02	saracen	No sex appeal. And sex sells
16:03	MikeSeth	Yeah, the only problem is, when you work with mission critical technology, you want rock solid engineering foundation, not some skank with a manual
16:03	_cheerios	first job ad i've seen for javascript-programmers emerged this month in finland
16:03	MikeSeth	:P
16:03	_cheerios	the times are a changing
16:03	saracen	MikeSeth: All true, but without sex, nobodies going to have heard about your mission critical technology
16:04	rozza	laters folks!
16:04	MikeSeth	maybe if you work in the retard section of the industry
16:04	rozza	[~Rozza@87-194-71-98.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: rozza]
16:04	MikeSeth	but I doubt any of us here does
16:04	splatch	MikeSeth: ok, I assume you don't know Polish :)
16:05	_cheerios	how do you calculate the 4chan-quotient for your site?
16:05	MikeSeth	splatch: I probably will be able to read with some effort
16:05	MikeSeth	_cheerios: "1" is a constant :P
16:06	saracen	I think the biggest step BX can take, is to stop having wombert flying around advertising the framework, which his harsh sounding language. But to pay a stripped to do it and get her to wear glasses so she doesn't look so out of place.
16:06	saracen	stripper*
16:06	saracen	with his* sigh
16:06	MikeSeth	"oh my god is that a full blown routing implementation sticking from the back of her pants"
16:06	Wombert	[16:03] MikeSeth: Yeah, the only problem is, when you work with mission critical technology, you want rock solid engineering foundation, not some skank with a manual
16:07	MikeSeth	bows
16:07	saracen	Why not have both?
16:07	saracen	I DEMAND BOTH.
16:07	Wombert	<3
16:07	MikeSeth	i'mma go out with a girl who's an ubergeek next week
16:08	Wombert	PIX
16:08	Wombert	NAO
16:08	saracen	Good luck with crossing the streams with her
16:08	MikeSeth	um er
16:08	saracen	I couldn't think of a better geek innuendo :(
16:09	MikeSeth	I'll ask her if she's ok with me showing them ;>
16:11	Wombert	MikeSeth: NO YOU DON'T
16:11	Wombert	ZOMG
16:11	Wombert	you want to mix these two worlds?
16:11	Wombert	really?
16:11	Wombert	nowai
16:11	Wombert	show me her facebook profile :p
16:11	Wombert	WombookPro:trunk dzuelke$ svn revert -R apps/frontend/config/factories.yml
16:11	Wombert	Reverted 'apps/frontend/config/factories.yml'
16:12	Wombert	see, because I have a different session storage set up
16:12	MikeSeth	I deleted my own facebook profile
16:12	MikeSeth	so I couldn't anyway
16:12	Wombert	and I must commit / because I changed an external
16:12	MikeSeth	also switch to git ffs
16:12	Wombert	stabs symfony
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16:15	E_mE	i missed that phpnw is soon, gosh
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16:17	CLN	ok, just to make it clear for myself, i think i'm slowly getting to something: instantiate an agavi model via the agavi context and then get the propel model loaded into it - am i on the right path here?
16:22	splatch	MikeSeth: ok, I going to provide cv you tomorrow morning
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16:36	MikeSeth	splatch: okay, no rush
16:42	CLN	no, it still doestn work
16:44	CLN	if i have my include path like http://pastie.org/1186624 it failed to open stream in PropelAutoloader.php (tried with "new MODELNAME")
16:45	CLN	and if its like http://pastie.org/1186622 it cant find class BaseMODELNAME
16:45	CLN	MODELNAME refers to the propel models
16:45	MikeSeth	sorry I can't help you CLN.. I use Doctrine
16:47	CLN	ok... maybe v-dogg or Wombert have some advice
16:52	saracen	Do propel models still require base classes?
16:52	CLN	yeah, for getters, setters and so on
16:53	saracen	Oh, lame :(
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17:11	Jarda	saracen: it's activerecord..
17:11	Jarda	still.
17:12	Jarda	and will always be
17:12	Jarda	CLN: show databases.xml
17:13	CLN	(Jarda): http://pastie.org/1186692
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17:16	Jarda	hurr durr.. let me show what I have
17:16	Jarda	a sec
17:17	v-dogg	CLN: what's the directory structure under app/lib/propel/? you should have your om class dir right under that if that's what you have in include_path
17:18	v-dogg	e.g app/lib/propel/myproj/FooTable.php
17:18	CLN	its build/classes/tcms/om
17:18	v-dogg	yeah, guessed that
17:19	v-dogg	and there's the problem
17:19	Jarda	http://gist.github.com/601180
17:19	Jarda	thats then dev/db/build.properties
17:19	Jarda	app/config.php
17:19	Jarda	and app/config/databases.xml
17:20	Jarda	I know v-dogg uses similar structure
17:20	Jarda	(he's the one I've copied mine :D)
17:20	v-dogg	but those paths are relative to propel-gen -script (at least when using per-project installation)
17:20	Jarda	v-dogg: true
17:20	Jarda	propel should _always_ be per project (in dev/libs/propel)
17:21	v-dogg	so may I suggest something in addition to that - http://blog.veikko.fi/post/82466126/installing-a-project-local-propel
17:21	Jarda	but now child nees attention -->
17:24	CLN	well, propel-gen is within a completely different dir than my project
17:25	CLN	let me try some settings in build.properties
17:25	v-dogg	CLN: if you now just want to get things up and running, alter the include_path to app/lib/build/classes/
17:26	v-dogg	and worry about fine-tuning later
17:26	v-dogg	but installing per-project is the only sane way if you ask me
17:27	v-dogg	makes deploying easier, gives you better control and you can have different project using different propel versions
17:27	CLN	i tried this include_path already
17:27	CLN	but then it cant find the parent class
17:27	Wombert	uh?
17:27	v-dogg	plus you don't have to worry about messed up bundles like Xampp penetrating your rear end :)
17:27	Wombert	case issue or something? hm nah
17:28	Wombert	CLN: try to get the propel stuff working without Agavi first
17:28	Wombert	in like index.php
17:30	CLN	k, i'll try
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17:45	CLN	cant get it running :S same errors as before (require fail or parent class not found)
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19:24	FMJaguar	i'm adding validation so i can access the request parameters, and all of a sudden i'm getting kicked back to the handleError , but i'm not getting errors from the validator
19:24	FMJaguar	or anywhere
19:26	v-dogg	http://adt.projectbin.org/ to the rescue
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19:26	Jarda	v-dogg: the site is outdated (still)
19:26	FMJaguar	its setup
19:26	Jarda	CLN: show your -conf.php
19:27	FMJaguar	i added some backtraces http://pastebin.com/pcETfZhg
19:29	FMJaguar	but it looks like it's just tracing the call from the controller
19:30	v-dogg	FMJaguar: doesn't really help
19:30	FMJaguar	is there any debug logging i can turn on
19:30	v-dogg	but handleError is called when validation failed. there isn't really any more to it
19:30	FMJaguar	oh ok
19:30	FMJaguar	i wasnt sure if it failed or just was not setup correctly
19:30	v-dogg	pastebin your validator setup
19:30	Jarda	FMJaguar: what does adt say about failing validators?
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19:31	Jarda	(99% of times of weird validation failures it's one of my parent validation configs, that has some shit in them..)
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19:57	Jarda	http://gist.github.com/601443
19:57	Jarda	what's wrong with that?
19:58	Jarda	var_dump($slots); in Master.php gives array()
19:58	Jarda	does slots have to be defined before setupHtml or something?
19:59	v-dogg	you are defining a slot in 'content' layer. did you mean 'decorator'?
20:00	Jarda	true.
20:00	Jarda	I blame graste.
20:00	Jarda	http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#general_16
20:00	Jarda	thanks
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20:02	splatch	hello :)
20:09	v-dogg	do html meta keywords make a difference any more? does anyone care about them?
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20:27	FMJaguar	so what do you use these days to manage a mailling list
20:28	FMJaguar	looks like mailman
20:28	FMJaguar	thx
20:30	CLN	sry, i'm a bit late now, but i got a solution
20:30	CLN	@jarda
20:34	CLN	fyi: the solution, i got, was to go into my -conf.php set the include_path to build/classes there and after that manually include the classmap-...-conf.php into the relating array field
20:34	v-dogg	huh?
20:35	v-dogg	isn't it included in myproject-conf.php?
20:35	CLN	no, it wasnt
20:36	Jarda	CLN: that's why I wanted to see your -conf.php
20:36	CLN	k :)
20:36	Jarda	my initial guess is, that your generator and runtime versions are different
20:37	CLN	previously the classmap was embedded directly into the conf array
20:37	v-dogg	... install propel per project...
20:38	CLN	i'll remember that
20:38	CLN	didnt know that i can do this
20:38	Jarda	you only run into problems with pear or tarballa installations
20:38	Jarda	use my config and per project installations, and you should always be fine
20:38	Jarda	I've had absolutely no problems
20:40	FMJaguar	http://pastebin.com/jR1JuQLV
20:40	FMJaguar	validation xml from earlier
20:40	v-dogg	screwed up paths and/or mixed versions is always behind weird propel issues
20:41	v-dogg	_always_
20:41	v-dogg	and it makes me MAD that people still use Pear
20:41	CLN	well
20:42	CLN	until now i _really_ thought by using pear such problems wouldnt occur anymore
20:42	CLN	i learned much today
20:42	v-dogg	and shit like "copy this script there, set PATH to foo" etc. in installation docs scare people away
20:43	v-dogg	(manual installation)
20:44	v-dogg	I even opened a ticket about this but I still seem to be the only one recommending it (with Jarda on my side, of course :)
20:44	graste	wonders about scaring people away as the same people are supposed to be able to write such stuff (and so in fact should be able to read and understand such things) <:
20:45	graste	and that doesn't relate to pear or propel
20:45	graste	but many sw projects
20:46	graste	of course there's always a doc or comment missing...but when there's a guide ppl are scared away by it and simply unzip it or take the old version from their distributor :-)
20:46	CLN	i'm outta here
20:46	CLN	thx for your help
20:46	CLN	jarda, i saved ur conf for later
20:46	CLN	good evening
20:47	v-dogg	CLN: my blog article has a complete reference including suggested build.properties :)
20:47	v-dogg	spread the word, make me less angry :)
20:48	CLN	this one? http://blog.veikko.fi/post/82466126/installing-a-project-local-propel
20:48	CLN	bookmarked it already :)
20:49	v-dogg	good good :)
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20:51	Jarda	hmm.. is there some css-property for "fill up all place horizontally available"
20:51	FMJaguar	width:auto?
20:51	Jarda	left-floating elements
20:52	Jarda	so width: auto; doesn't work
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20:56	FMJaguar	does width:100% use the parent containers width?
20:57	Jarda	yup
20:57	v-dogg	or, depending on the browser, something else :)
20:57	FMJaguar	or do you want to go outside the parent width?
20:59	Jarda	hmm..
21:00	Jarda	<ul><li>First</li><li>Second></li><li> </li></ul>
21:00	Jarda	and <ul> has fixed width
21:01	Jarda	I'd like to make the last one just fill all the ul's width
21:01	Jarda	maybe I have to do this with javascript :)
21:01	graste	probably (except you know widths and count of LIs per "row" etc)
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21:11	Jarda	well, javascript works
21:11	sth	newtwitter has issues
21:11	Jarda	are you surprised?
21:12	v-dogg	I want newtwitter g'dammit
21:12	sth	Jarda: Ues
21:12	sth	yes*
21:12	v-dogg	I must be the _only_ on still using the old UI
21:12	sth	for what they are, very.
21:12	v-dogg	haha! and now I got it!
21:12	graste	I'm on the old one as well
21:13	graste	but hey - who cares :p
21:13	steffkes	what is twitter?
21:13	sth	A social network based around 140 char updates
21:14	graste	It's an alternative to RSS to stay up2date on certain topics :D
21:15	graste	oh and it's an hype multiplier and xss/csrf honey pot
21:15	FMJaguar	well rss usually points to actual articles or news somewhere
21:16	FMJaguar	tweets lower that to 'hey you have a keyboard, your in!'
21:16	v-dogg	haha, first experience... not so good... it opened an javascript-overlay-popup-thingy that doesn't fit my small screen and doesn't scroll
21:16	Jarda	I don't get the whole twitter thing..
21:16	v-dogg	and I can't close it or do anything else either
21:17	graste	I do not follow many ppl that not post nice URLs (at least from time to time)
21:17	graste	I do not need twitter for "personal updates" as I usually don't care
21:17	graste	but for links it's a nice alternative to my hundreds of feeds
21:18	graste	signal to noise ratio is important on both :-)
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21:19	v-dogg	seriously! it opens the fecking overlay everytime even if I refresh
21:19	v-dogg	I can't do anything :D
21:20	v-dogg	can't tweet, can't logout
21:21	steffkes	tzes, who needs logout?
21:23	v-dogg	changing to full screen view revealed the OK button to get rid the message
21:25	Jarda	oh, jquery ui #fail
21:25	Jarda	tabs don't provide valid urls..
21:27	Jarda	is there some header set when a page is loaded into an iframe
21:27	Jarda	I want to provide a "embed this" link
21:28	Jarda	of course ?iframe=1 works also..
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06:04		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
06:04		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
06:04		Irssi: #agavi: Total of 25 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 24 normal]
06:04		Home page for #agavi: http://agavi.org/
06:04		Channel #agavi created Sun Nov 26 07:43:22 2006
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06:38	FMJaguar	no validation makes me sad
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08:58	_cheerios	huomenta
09:02	_cheerios	"JENNIFER ANISTON is taking extreme lengths to banish her 'girl-next-door' image once and for all - she's set to strip, take drugs and indulge in a threesome in her next movie, according to reports."
09:02	_cheerios	sweet!
09:05	_cheerios	lol @ http://erkie.github.com/
09:06	_cheerios	looks intense http://techportal.ibuildings.com/2009/12/01/profiling-with-xhprof/
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09:18	splatch	hi
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09:54	sth	jurica: ping?
09:54	jurica	pong
09:55	sth	I just shared another folder on my dropbox account, it has beta 2 of the iPad firmware in it
09:55	jurica	ah cool
09:55	jurica	i'll test it next week
09:56	sth	Hopefully twitter will work on this version
09:56	jurica	twitter works on my ipad with beta1
09:56	Jarda	no one uses iPad
09:57	Jarda	(and/or Twitter)
09:58	sth	jurica: the app behaves oddly if you use the task manager to close it
09:59	sth	Like it will claim all your DMs are new, or all of your replies are new, it'll even claim you haven't signed in
10:00	jurica	hmm yeah youre right it logs me out everytime...
10:04	sth	:)
10:05	jurica	some games don't show any graphics... the beta is still bugged but multi threading is really awesome
10:05	jurica	sometimes mail is buggy, but its still useable
10:14	_cheerios	is #newtwitter better than the ipad twitter app?
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10:40	Yossi_B	Huomenta
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11:28	_cheerios	(for the finns, real-time tram location) http://transport.wspgroup.fi/hklkartta/
11:36	_cheerios	will come handy for the winter days
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11:56	v-dogg	fffuuuu
11:56	v-dogg	response attrbs. want.
11:57	v-dogg	lunch, too
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12:20	Yossi_B	that real time tram location mash-up is awesome
12:21	jurica	its really cool
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12:26	Jarda	shame it's done with ajax-requests every second
12:26	Jarda	would be a lot cooler if done with node.js and sockets ;)
12:27	Yossi_B	and how would you view it in the browser?
12:27	Jarda	...
12:28	Jarda	you obviosly haven't seen the node.js demo application..
12:28	jurica	nor did i
12:28	jurica	do you have a link at hand?
12:29	Jarda	http://github.com/ry/node_chat/
12:29	Yossi_B	isn't node.js a server side thing? browser does http requests which don't allow socket like communications, am I rite?
12:31	Jarda	afaik it's definitely so, that node.js pushes things to the browser
12:31	Jarda	not the other way around
12:31	Jarda	and that's the cool part of node.js
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12:33	Yossi_B	hmmm... that's not the way I understand it...
12:33	Jarda	but I might have understood wrong
12:33	Jarda	haven't actually never used node.js
12:33	Jarda	*ever
12:35	_cheerios	Yossi_B: there's coment and soon websockets in all major browsers
12:35	_cheerios	*comet
12:37	Yossi_B	Hmm, looking at the chat app, there is a long pull xhr http request always running, so in a way I guess that's used for node.js to push data, the xhr request shuts and a new one opens every 20 secs or so to avoid time out I guess
12:38	Yossi_B	ah... that long held http request is comet...
12:38	splatch	MikeSeth: I sent cv :)
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14:28	_cheerios	finally did pretty graphs and stats for site; retention, churn rate, feature usage (in % between features), active members, logins/day, signups/day
14:28	_cheerios	anything else i should add that should be always tracked (bar basic GAE stuff) ?
14:29	_cheerios	*GA even, not app engine :p
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15:25	_cheerios	wine, beers if around punavuori :)
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17:39	Wombert	hey wow
17:39	Wombert	so
17:39	Wombert	symfony has this magic autoloader
17:39	Wombert	that scans dirs and shit
17:39	Wombert	and adds them to a list of autoloadable classes
17:44	Wombert	if a file is in modules/foo/lib, then it's put into the hashmap as foo/classname
17:44	Wombert	and if the current module is foo
17:44	Wombert	then you can autoload the file
17:44	Wombert	because the whole fucking framework is one giant big stateful stack based mess
17:45	Wombert	so if you don't call the class from an action
17:45	Wombert	but instead from a component
17:45	Wombert	(same thing, just more retarded)
17:45	Wombert	then it'll fall on its ugly face
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17:53	horros	I can sense anger in the air.
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18:22	FMJaguar	hmm does the adt toolbar have more info than the firephp output, or is it a configuration problem?
18:23	FMJaguar	on the screenshot http://adt.projectbin.org/pics/adt-actions.png there is an action/validation panel, it's not on my output
18:25	Wombert	FMJaguar: I think you need to register an action filter as well
18:25	Wombert	have you checked the install instructions?
18:26	FMJaguar	yeah, i think i missed that step though
18:26	FMJaguar	son of a agavi it works
18:27	FMJaguar	i want my yesterday back
18:31	Wombert	<:
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19:03	FMJaguar	im sad that they took out the jquery mailing lists
19:04	v-dogg	who and why?
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22:22	Jarda	v-dogg: do you happen to have any legacy code available where you write validation errors by hand?
22:23	Jarda	nevermind
22:23	Jarda	found already
22:37	FMJaguar	link?
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23:27	impl	Wombert: poke
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10:10	_cheerios	huomenta
10:10	_cheerios	drinking all evening, woke up at 4:45am and couldn't get to sleep again x_X
10:10	splatch	_cheerios: I wake up at 7:45 am and I overslept 40 minutes :\|
10:12	v-dogg	woke up at 3:30 am to give pain killers to the little one and it took 45 minutes to get back to sleep. and then the alarm went off 6:30 am
10:12	v-dogg	and now I'm a bit tired...
10:16	_cheerios	... and i made some bitter coffee x_X
10:18	splatch	we have so bad weather here that I would sleep all day
10:19	splatch	rain, rain, rain - from 5 days I didn't see normal sun
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10:20	Jarda	I'm hungry
10:21	_cheerios	beautiful days in finland in contrast :)
10:22	splatch	blah
10:22	splatch	Poland wather is even worse than Finland
10:23	horros	It's a beautiful autumn day here.
10:24	Jarda	it most certainly is.
10:24	Jarda	sun is shining
10:24	horros	aye.
10:24	Jarda	I have no idea what I'd eat.
10:24	horros	a bit nippy though. 4C according to Schmidt.
10:25	Jarda	I like cold weather
10:25	horros	as do I
10:26	Jarda	I generally like all weather except the dark rainy (as in r?nt?) autumn days just before real winter
10:26	_cheerios	Symfony2 looks like a copy of Django regards to the templating language and model-form generation: http://slides.seld.be/?file=2010-09-28+Symfony2.html
10:26	horros	The only thing that's annoying with autumn is that it's impossible to dress right. Dress so you don't freeze in the morning and you're sweaty in the afternoon. Dress so you're ok in the afternoon and you'll freeze your sack off in the morning hours =)
10:27	horros	Jarda: I didn't particularly enjoy walking over a bridge in Vaasa a few winters back. Winds straight from the (frozen) sea, checked the thermometer after the bridge... -32C.
10:28	horros	That was slightly too much for my taste.
10:29	Jarda	horros: well, ok, agreed :)
10:31	horros	socks, wool socks, combat boots, long johns, verkkarit, jeans, short sleeved t-shirt, long sleeved under shirt, army wool shirt, gramps' old big very heavy wool coat, scarf around my face and cap on my head and I damn near froze to death anyway :D
10:32	splatch	_cheerios: one of the biggest Symfony mistakes is YAML (C) by splatch :P
10:33	_cheerios	the last slides with xml-soup didn't look much better :)
10:33	Jarda	mmm... soup....
10:34	splatch	_cheerios: the DI way that they can do is better, but this is only my opinion - old guy who work with Java
10:41	_cheerios	love making metrics, this morning doing feature activity usage, eg. ppl posting a blog in last 30 days, ppl that have posted (but not anymore in last 30 days), and ppl whom have never pushed the button and plotting it nicely on a stacked column chart <3
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10:59	everplays	how i can access to parameters in registerValidators (or validate) method of an action?
11:00	v-dogg	parameters from request data i.e. user input?
11:21	everplays	v-dogg: yes, actually i have to get form_id then i can register validations needed for that form
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11:36	everplays	err! unstable internet connection
11:38	jurica	hates trac, started to bug on commit nr 28245!
11:53	everplays	doesn't know if anyone answered his question but here's the answer (to be logged in channel) > $this->getContext()->getRequest()->getRequestData( )->getParameter( 'PARAM_NAME' )
12:21	_cheerios	mmm.. cake after nepalese-lunch
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12:23	v-dogg	I thought cake was a lie
12:24	Jarda	you are a lie
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12:24	jurica	i want cake!
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12:24	Jarda	the office is emptyish..
12:24	v-dogg	our mobile office C300 is very active
12:24	v-dogg	or was it 300C
12:25	v-dogg	gansta car
12:25	Jarda	is it already moving towards ze office?
12:25	v-dogg	yes
12:25	v-dogg	eta 60 min.
12:38	ttj	_cheerios: It's Thursday... ;)
12:45	_cheerios	ttj: what happens?! :D
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13:02	Jarda	Hey, I'm C#.
13:03	Jarda	Hey, could you please Double.Parse("100.01") ?
13:03	Jarda	No, because "Input string in wrong format"
13:03	Jarda	sometimes I miss php a lot...
13:06	Jarda	hrr
13:07	ttj	_cheerios: Kalle-päivä!
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13:41	jurica	sth: ping
13:45	ttj	_cheerios: So, Kaarle XII tonight at 20:30? ;)
13:53	_cheerios	company evening tonight, starts with bowling 6-8
13:55	ttj	So, take your company with you to Kalle. ;)
13:57	_cheerios	muslims :)
13:58	ttj	Water. :)
13:58	jurica	i guess kalle is somehow related to alcohol? :)
13:59	ttj	It's a club in Helsinki that has been around for ~30 or so years. Thursdays are Kalle-days. :)
13:59	jurica	ah
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14:52	_cheerios	4pm and i feel like falling asleep
14:53	jurica	so do i
14:53	v-dogg	same
14:55	_cheerios	just got that metrics-feature i was chirping about earlier done, though. it's so sweet :)
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18:49	v-dogg	I'm adding a simple xml output type and I'm wondering about best practices
18:49	v-dogg	the view side
18:50	v-dogg	I need to output simple messages like <myApp><piip>djjdjd</piip></myApp>
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18:51	v-dogg	so I thought about creating dom/simplexml root in setupXml() which would be called by view::executeXml()
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18:51	v-dogg	in executeXml I would then add whatever it need and then output the whole thing
18:52	v-dogg	good/bad/better ideas?
19:05	Jarda	sounds fine to me
19:10	Jarda	ttj, horros. Mark the date: 16th - 17th of March 2011
19:10	Jarda	(v-dogg also)
19:10	horros	Will do.
19:12	horros	Done!
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19:12	Jarda	great
19:13	horros	I'll be there, unless my I have my head in my armpit.
19:13	horros	That expression doesn't translate very well, does it =)
19:14	Jarda	especially if you have additional words there :)
19:14	horros	err, yes :)
19:15	horros	Jarda: I hope Ellnestam is invited to speak again? I have tons to discuss with him again :)
19:16	Jarda	horros: I sure hope so. He's Akis friend so I guess he will speak unless he has something else to do at the time
19:16	Jarda	but yes, he's invited
19:16	horros	Brilliant!
19:18	Jarda	actually the first turku agile day was decided to be held because Aki just said to us.. "hmm... I'd like to have someone who'd pay for flying my friends from sweden here..." "hey! we could arrange a conference about agile software development!"
19:18	horros	:D
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19:33	Jarda	I'd like to export validation errors in executeJson() (you all guess why)
19:33	Jarda	I know how to get the messages
19:33	Jarda	but how to get the errorneous fields also?
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21:34	Jarda	axtually now i also now how to get the fields but i can't bind the two together..
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23:56	ttj	Jarda: Where's the afterparty?
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