Log opened Sun Aug 01 00:00:00 2010
00:05 Rayne n8
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08:49 Jarda sth: does it need something to webkit?
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11:00 _cheerios huomenta
11:24 MikeSeth gentlemans
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11:44 _cheerios wondering how to do rate-limited api calls using Celery
11:45 _cheerios docs give a rate_limit decorator, i hope that does what i think it does
12:26 _cheerios worked like a charm, whee
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18:34 _cheerios tribalistas <3
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08:31 _cheerios huomenta!
08:33 MugeSo huomenta
08:36 jeeez [7aac56a9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.172.86.169] has joined #agavi
08:37 jeeez hi, i'm trying to learn Agavi. but every time i try the tutorial, routing doesn't work
08:37 jeeez is there some common beginners pitfall i'm falling into?
08:37 Jarda what do you mean?
08:37 Jarda are you getting an error?
08:37 Jarda do you have mod_rewrite and .htaccess enabled on your apache installation?
08:38 v-dogg not having mod_rewrite enabled is the most common pitfall
08:38 jeeez okay, let me look into that!
08:38 v-dogg or AllowOverride too tight (httpd.conf)
08:38 Jarda if you mean, that "http://mysite.com/myroute"; doesn't work, you could try "http://mysite.com/index.php/myroute"; and it most likely will work
08:39 jeeez 'http://testing/post'' i get 'The requested URL /post was not found on this server.' when i do that
08:39 Jarda well http://testing/index.php/post most likely will work
08:39 jeeez Jarda: awesome! it does!
08:39 Jarda and that's because mod_rewrite isn't enabled and/or AllowOverride is set to something too tight
08:40 jeeez i see. thanks!
08:40 Jarda no problem, that's why we hang out here :)
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09:00 simoncpu jeeez: agavi is a great framework, but the learning curve is steep
09:00 simoncpu i think you can help the community by posting notes along the way
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09:02 jeeez simoncpu: i'll do my part if i manage to survive :)
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09:20 Jarda a good mentor or this irc channel is worth millions :)
09:20 rozza Huomenta!
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09:54 MikeSeth I want to be rich :P
09:54 jurica who not
09:54 jurica ?
09:56 MikeSeth heh
10:07 MugeSo jurica: probably Bill Gates
10:07 jurica he already is rich
10:08 MugeSo yah, so he don't want to be rich now.
10:18 jurica that's no problem he can give me all his money :)
10:25 MugeSo lol
10:27 MugeSo I think he can't do that because he don't know your bank account nor address :p
10:28 jurica i can give it to him
10:28 saracen billy@microsoft.com
10:28 saracen You can reach him there
10:28 jurica ^^
10:29 jurica "hey heres my address and bank account donst hesitate to send me all your money! kkthxbb"
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10:37 sth Morning
10:38 horros Huomenta.
10:38 horros Back at work :(
10:39 sth I'm in the BX office again
10:46 jurica sth back getting on my nerves...
11:00 MikeSeth fight fight fight fight
11:01 MikeSeth http://krumo.sourceforge.net/
11:01 MikeSeth should I write an adapter for this
11:02 saracen No
11:02 sth MikeSeth: use xdebug with html errors
11:16 MikeSeth xdebug tends to fuck up the lighty setup I have
11:16 MikeSeth also I work in emacs, not sure if there's xdebug client
11:20 sth It's emacs, it has everything if you can do the hand crippling command
11:26 Jarda why xdebug. Why not firephp?
11:39 MikeSeth firephp/ADT is broken in my current setup
11:39 MikeSeth not sure if i broke it
11:39 MikeSeth we have a custom subframework based on Agavi that carries our own common stuff and includes ADT.. it seems ADT is broken atm
11:40 saracen Your custom subframework is just symfony, isn't it?
11:41 MikeSeth no, and fuck you
11:41 MikeSeth actually we have some nice stuff there and it keeps growing
11:41 saracen Yeah, symfony does have some nice stuff
11:41 MikeSeth for example a string argument validator that automatically trims input
11:42 MikeSeth cause I grow sick of retards with fat fingers failing to input their own name without putting three spaces in front of it
11:42 v-dogg MikeSeth: david broke logging API B/C in 1.0.2 or something which might be your problem with ADT too
11:43 MikeSeth possible
11:43 MikeSeth though I do see the ADT output in HTTP responses
11:43 MikeSeth I just don't see firebug interpreting it
11:44 v-dogg MikeSeth: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.2/src/validator/AgaviStringValidator.clas​s.php#L25
11:44 MikeSeth fffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
11:44 MikeSeth when did they sneak that in
11:45 v-dogg traaaaaaaac iiiiiss sloooooooouuuuuu
11:45 v-dogg goddammit it's slow today
11:46 v-dogg still waiting...
11:46 MikeSeth derp python
11:46 MikeSeth an abomination you want to copulate with
11:46 Jarda sth: why has no one fixed number validating on swedish locale!
11:46 Jarda I would give the ticket number, if trac would work :D
11:46 Jarda jurica: fix!
11:47 MikeSeth yes exploit the interns :P
11:47 v-dogg http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1078
11:48 sth Jarda: pft
11:48 sth THERE IS NO PROBLEM!
11:48 sth :)
11:54 jurica im no intern!
11:55 v-dogg :D
11:57 jurica and trac is working! its f*** slow but it works
11:57 jurica i should migrate it to mysql instead of using sqlite, i think that would help a lot
11:58 Jarda http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1293 sth, FIX!
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12:41 sth Jarda: I'm not allowed to fix the PHP for Agavi
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12:52 Jarda :(
12:52 Jarda then slap david :)
12:52 jurica that wouldnt help much i have to gratn access :p
12:53 sth Plus, I don't have access to the SVN server apparently :D
13:02 Jarda well you could slap david to fix the bug
13:03 sth No. :)
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13:38 Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: horros
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13:57 _cheerios *yawn*
13:57 v-dogg well said
13:58 v-dogg refill ->
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14:00 Wombert Jarda: this is not a problem/bug we can fix using code
14:01 Jarda Wombert: hmm, so I should say to the validator "don't use locales"?
14:01 v-dogg locale data has wrong format?
14:01 Wombert locale data has U+02212 as the minus sign, yes, v-dogg
14:01 Wombert (that's &minus;)
14:03 Wombert the group separator is also a weird character
14:03 Wombert " "
14:04 Wombert ah, nbsp
14:04 Wombert hmh, we could just support formats
14:04 Jarda but still, kinda sucks that agavi with swedish locale doesn't support negative numbers out of box :)
14:04 Wombert like the datetime validator does
14:04 Wombert Jarda: jadlkasjdklsdlasdl
14:04 Wombert seriously
14:04 Wombert fix it in sv.xml if it bothers you
14:04 Wombert or go complain to the LDML people
14:04 Wombert ...
14:05 Wombert there are a few other locales that use this symbol as well
14:05 Wombert we could do the "format" thing
14:05 Wombert then even with a list of formats
14:05 Wombert to also allow for more lenient parsing
14:05 Jarda hey, no offence! I just thought this would be a bug. At least it's most unexpected
14:06 Wombert 11:57 < jurica> i should migrate it to mysql instead of using sqlite, i think that would help a lot
14:06 Wombert jurica: yeah, good idea
14:06 Wombert jurica: and upgrade to 0.12 while we're at it
14:06 jurica urgs smells like work :/
14:07 Jarda took me hell lot of time to find out, why negative numbers don't work sometimes but sometimes work :D
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14:20 Jarda hmm.. why are all endless loops always while (true) { }
14:20 Jarda I would come up with many funnier alternatives :)
14:24 Jarda Wombert: hmm?
14:42 MikeSeth Wombert: lol your interns have attitude :D
14:42 jurica Wombert: left for lunch, and i'll repeat it again: i'm no intern!
14:43 MikeSeth as far as I am concerned anyone joining BX since I visited the office is an intern :D
14:43 jurica yep but not me, i think we didn't meet ;)
14:43 MikeSeth you were there in 2008?
14:44 MikeSeth oh wait
14:44 MikeSeth there was a guy David said isn't around
14:44 jurica nope
14:44 MikeSeth then you're an intern :D
14:44 jurica im not!
14:44 jurica NEIN NEIN NEIN!
14:48 simoncpu test received
14:49 jurica thanks simoncpu
15:13 rozza hugs Wombert - good trip?
15:30 Wombert yes rozza
15:30 Wombert wicked place, this japan
15:31 rozza Cool - sounds like a good trip!
15:31 Wombert had Kobe
15:31 Wombert man that was tasty
15:31 Wombert OMNOM
15:31 Wombert and slept in a capsule hotel
15:31 Wombert and... rode the bullet train
15:31 Wombert and had eel for breakfast
15:32 rozza lol
15:32 rozza you paid for that?:p
15:35 rozza Did you try jellied eels when you were in London? Traditional Fayre
15:35 rozza apparently
15:35 Wombert sth told me about that just a minute ago
15:35 Wombert I haven't
15:35 Wombert and I won't
15:35 Wombert ever
15:35 Wombert :p
15:41 sth :)
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16:05 MikeSeth Wombert: ffffuuuuuuuuu
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16:15 Jarda hmm.. alone at the office
16:15 Jarda Can take full advantage of my subwoofer :)
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16:31 jurica wtf a sub at the office?
16:33 Jarda this is a cheap logitech 2.1 setup
16:37 Jarda hmm.. I'm hungry also
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17:28 macen i've been forced to upgrade to magic mouse after having an episode trying to clean my mighty mouse
17:28 macen i miss the middle button :/
17:28 macen good though, apart from that
17:29 macen can see why trackpad is cool
17:29 jurica i love the magic mouse!
17:29 sth the magic trackpad > magic mouse!
17:29 jurica get magicPrefs then you can set up a middle button
17:31 sth I use bettertouchtool
17:32 saracen I use a laser mouse.
17:32 sth stfu arran.
17:32 sth :D
17:32 saracen :(
17:32 sth kicks arran whilst he's down
17:37 bascht_ begins to understand why people are scared of the #agavi irc channel
17:39 saracen rapes bascht_
17:39 jurica its not the channel its sth!
17:40 macen Jarda: excellent shout
17:40 macen jurica *
17:40 macen man your names are hard to interpret
17:40 jurica haha youre right :)
17:41 sth I only bully saracen
17:42 sth And it's not really bullying since it's the British sense of humour.
17:42 saracen Which makes me the only person sth can bully here. Anybody else would be reduced to tears
17:42 saracen So really, sth is a nice guy
17:43 saracen It's just a shame he looks so German
17:43 jurica no he isnt!
17:44 sth jurica: http://yfrog.com/j7simon1j
17:44 sth depends on the photo
17:44 jurica ...
17:47 macen sth: i have lost all respect for you
17:49 macen that's not german, that's something else entirely lol
17:52 saracen macen: Are you the one that I don't like?
17:52 macen no that's someone else
17:53 saracen It's been awhile, but I could have sworn it was you. It's either you or movvy-. But I'm sure movvy- is the Americano voip guy
17:53 macen i remember you as being the one with bad skin on his hands
17:54 macen and now sth is the gay one
17:54 macen brb
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18:03 jurica did anyone moved a sqlite database to mysql yet?
18:06 sth Well, off to berlin wednesday
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19:48 MikeSeth hurr durr
19:48 MikeSeth durr hurr
19:57 jurica yummy selfmade green pesto with red pepperoni noodles :D
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20:37 _cheerios http://whatthefuckismysocialmediastrategy.com/
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20:46 Rayne i fuckin' love these websites _cheerios
20:47 graste :-)
20:47 Rayne sup graste ?
20:48 graste ? :)
20:48 Rayne :)
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21:15 Wombert sth: poke
21:26 Jarda hmm wtf
21:27 Jarda agavi removing values from my input type="submit"
21:27 Jarda but only in production
21:27 Jarda not in dev :D
21:27 Wombert uhm
21:27 Wombert validate it?
21:27 Wombert :p
21:27 Jarda well not agavi, but fpf
21:27 Jarda no, it's in read when I populate by hand
21:29 sth ffs
21:30 Wombert are you validating it?
21:31 sth Wombert: I'll need to leave early tomorrow to find a small suitcase
21:31 sth I say early, about 6p
21:31 sth ,m
21:31 Wombert yea
21:31 Jarda Wombert: no, I'm not
21:32 Wombert or do it in linch break
21:32 Wombert Jarda: you should...
21:32 Wombert in fact, you have to
21:32 Jarda I just want to have different titles on my buttons :)
21:32 Wombert huh?
21:32 Jarda actually, I am validating one of tohes
21:32 Jarda *those
21:32 Wombert wait, it removes the values from the HTML source?
21:32 Jarda yup
21:33 Wombert maybe it's time to bundle an Agavi version with your app...
21:33 Wombert http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1236
21:33 Wombert you're not running 1.0.3 in production it seems
21:33 sth Wombert: can I store my larger suitcase in the cellar?
21:33 Jarda I am running the exact same revision
21:33 Wombert sth: sure
21:33 Wombert sth: or here in the office
21:34 Wombert Jarda: sure it doesn't use a pear installed version or something?
21:34 Jarda Wombert: 99% sure
21:34 sth Wombert: I figured the cellar in the office, then it's out of the way
21:34 Jarda Revision: 4549
21:35 Wombert I gotta run, sorry Jarda
21:35 Wombert might be libxml
21:36 Jarda I follow v-dogg's "no pear libs" rule strictly :)
21:36 Jarda god damn
21:36 Jarda so much for my deployment today :D
21:37 jurica sth: its too humid in the offices cellar
21:37 Jarda well.. this is why I should be running virtual machines for agavi development..
21:38 Jarda libxml in development 2.7.3
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21:39 Jarda libxml in production 2.6.32
21:43 Jarda it's the debian lenny versio
21:43 Jarda n
21:44 Jarda so it can't be that
21:45 Jarda hmm, but it is fpf doing the stripping
21:47 Jarda I'm confused
21:51 Jarda mmkay.. time to go to bed, I guess..
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04:38 MugeSo Huomenta
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07:46 jeeez is there some Easy way to learn agavi? :\
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08:30 Jarda by coding :)
08:30 Jarda and asking a lot of questions
08:30 Jarda and looking at the sample app http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples
08:30 Jarda also by reading the tutorial
08:31 Jarda http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html this faq can also be interesting
08:36 jeeez already on the tutorial. :)
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09:02 rozza Huomenta!
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09:07 _cheerios huomenta
09:11 jeeez is it the protocol or can i just say good morning? :\
09:12 _cheerios good choice of username for asking that
09:13 Jarda http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta
09:13 zemm some feedback: having read some of the documentation at agavi.org with browser half width of 24" monitor, it was frustrating since the page has width: 988px which is slighly more than half of 1920.. it would be more readable if it was "max-width" :)
09:14 Jarda zemm: that one should go to sth, he's somewhat in charge of the documentation at bitextender
09:14 zemm since the page & content works just fine after such tweak with firebug
09:15 zemm well, you gave nick hilight there..
09:16 Jarda yup :)
09:21 jeeez _cheerios: Houmenta :)
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09:36 _cheerios prods jurica :p
09:36 jurica hehe
09:36 jurica in the afternoon!
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09:55 sth Morning
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10:01 horros Huomenta.
10:01 Jarda horros: o/
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10:08 _cheerios iltalehti at ze office, lets see what kind of photos i end up in this time
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10:36 _cheerios sonera offering samsung galaxy s now too. though reading all the problems with samsung + android 2.1 really puts me off with the whole thing.
10:38 _cheerios hoh, 69,73e/mo (bundle)
10:39 zemm sonera /o\
10:39 _cheerios iphone4 32gb bundle comes to 77,83e/mo
10:43 MikeSeth hay guise
10:45 sth Ugh, who let MikeSeth in :x
10:45 sth I mean, Morning MikeSeth
10:45 MikeSeth silence intern
10:45 MikeSeth I mean morning
10:46 sth I'm not an intern
10:46 MikeSeth lol you are
10:47 sth Nuh-uh. I have a big boy contract :D
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11:31 Jarda oh, zemm is finnish also :o
11:31 horros Oh dear.
11:33 zemm Jarda: sharp notice since we have been in same finnish channels for couple of years :)
11:33 Jarda hmm.. true :)
11:35 zemm actually it was you talking about agavi #elsewhere for the n+1th time made me take a look
11:37 v-dogg :p
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11:43 erez Huomenta
11:44 erez new user here, is there a way I can check that a layout exist before I try to load it?
11:45 erez I am developing a multi-face cms like application, and I want to be able to support default and per site layouts, if that is possible, any ideas?
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11:55 Wombert welcome to Agavi, erez!
11:56 erez Thank You
11:56 Wombert erez: $this->container->getOutputType()->getLayout($layoutName)
11:56 Wombert throws an exception, so just wrap it in a try {} catch() {} block
11:57 Wombert erez: $this->getContainer(), please ;)
11:57 sth tuts.
11:57 erez Wombert: Great! I'll try that! thanks
11:58 Wombert Jarda: did you find your issue yesterday?
12:00 Jarda Wombert: no I didn't
12:00 Jarda I do have different libxml versions
12:01 Jarda but we use same libxml version (from debian lenny) with v-dogg on our production servers with no problem
12:01 Jarda the only different from those is that in my own production there is php 5.3.2 and weuse 5.2.x
12:12 Jarda Wombert: sorry.. I was using 1.0.3-dev after all
12:12 Wombert HAH
12:12 Jarda index.php had an absolute path to an old path
12:13 Jarda and as it's svn:ignored, I didn't see it had local modifications..
12:14 Jarda should have noticed yesterday when I was wathing X-POWERED-BY
12:14 Jarda of course it had to be 1.0.4-dev
12:14 Jarda couldn't agavi have the revision after that when using -dev -version :)
12:14 Jarda 1.0.4-dev-r1234
12:15 Jarda I did double check now when I tried to reproduce it with the sample app :)
12:16 Jarda well, now I have the sample app hosted on my prod server :D
12:17 Wombert 1.0.4-dev?
12:17 Wombert the bug is fixed in 1.0.3
12:17 Wombert and no, there can't be a revision number
12:18 Wombert we'd have to scan every file to find it
12:30 macen .svn/entries has it on line 11
12:31 macen Beanstalk extract it and put it in a .revision file through their deployment setup
12:32 Jarda Wombert: yes, but I was using 1.0.3-dev
12:38 v-dogg revision would have to be added in some pre/post-commit hook
12:38 Wombert but that modifies the file
12:38 v-dogg yup
12:39 v-dogg so, Jarda, just stfu and fix your shit :)
12:39 Jarda fixed already :)
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15:16 krycek_ is there an agavi-sh way to increase the execution time (set_limit_time)?
15:18 Wombert krycek_: eh?
15:18 Wombert krycek_: huh?
15:18 Wombert krycek_: that's a php.ini setting
15:18 Wombert or do you mean *for* the agavi binary?
15:18 krycek_ there is a function to change that
15:18 krycek_ set_limit_time()
15:19 krycek_ I'm calling that from my script, but maybe there is somewhere else to set that
15:21 Wombert set_time_limit()
15:21 Wombert and as I said
15:21 Wombert it's a php.ini setting
15:21 Wombert and of course, it's documented on the set_time_limit() manual page
15:23 krycek_ yeap, as I said, I'm already using it, I just want to know if there is any way to change that value to every action of a certain module, for example
15:25 krycek_ anyway, it's not that important, I can call it where I want it
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15:34 _cheerios prods jurica :p
15:34 _cheerios l8rs -> home
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15:37 MikeSeth uh huh BC breakage ;)
15:39 jurica is mad! SO MAD!
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15:42 Wombert MikeSeth: LIES
15:44 erez trac.agavi is kinda slow...
15:45 sth erez: We know :x
15:46 jurica im workin gon it but that crappy sqlite seems not to want to be moved to mysql
15:46 saracen wishes it used redmine :D
15:47 sth wishes it was based on symfony :D
15:47 jurica shoots sth
15:47 erez where does the agavi xsd schemas sit?
15:47 sth We should just make it all static HTML :D
15:48 sth erez: config/csd
15:48 jurica absolutely! no mess with sqlite anymore!
15:48 sth err
15:48 sth config/xsd in where ever you installed agavi to
15:48 erez xsd, thanks!
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15:52 Wombert erez: check out config/defaults/config_handlers.xml
15:52 Wombert al
15:52 Wombert all locations are defined there
15:52 Wombert you can easily redefine them in app/config/config_handlers.xml if you wish
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16:05 MikeSeth so
16:05 MikeSeth port Agavi to Python?
16:05 MikeSeth ;P
16:07 saracen unpossible
16:14 saracen Wombert: Any video for the japan stuff, or just the slides?
16:14 Wombert slides
16:15 Wombert it was on ustream
16:15 sth saracen: maybe you should just turn up to Wombert's future talks :D
16:16 saracen Meh, they're probably all the same
16:16 sth You mean they're all just speaches about invading Poland?
16:16 saracen The only reason I watch is for the accent. I don't think I'd learn anything new
16:17 saracen You're the second person today I've seen spell speech incorrectly
16:17 sth So I did :(
16:17 sth I'm sorry.
16:17 saracen :D
16:17 sth I'll turn in my British passport immediately
16:18 sth mm I wonder if I'll need my passport tomorrow, I know it's only a domestic flight but I might be interogated by the gestapo tomorrow
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16:26 saracen http://narf-archive.com/pix/f540052487d9f887c5fb2de9447db45f522d6d5b.jpg
16:52 sth wtf
16:52 sth retards. :)
16:59 saracen They sound like you.
16:59 saracen So yeah
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20:42 _cheerios wtf, as a Finn I can't even sell apps in Android marketplace?
20:42 _cheerios makes it quite a no-brainer to choose between development for apple/android?
20:43 v-dogg symbian for teh win!
20:44 jurica rofl
20:47 Jarda _cheerios: yeah.. sucks to be finn :)
20:47 _cheerios http://www.google.com/mobileads/publisher_home.html do mobile ads pay?
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20:49 _cheerios To apply for the AdSense for Mobile Applications beta program:
20:49 _cheerios (currently available only in the US and Canada) << OF COURSE
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03:35 MugeSo huomenta
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07:02 jeeez huomenta!
07:03 jeeez is it okay if i used the latest version to follow the tutorial or should i use only 1.0.1?
07:03 Jarda you can use the latest
07:03 Jarda the whole 1.0 should be BC
07:03 Jarda (bacwards compatible)
07:04 jeeez yup, got it!
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08:21 horros Huomenta.
08:24 v-dogg huomenta
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09:02 rozza Huomenta!
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09:27 jurica good morning
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09:32 _cheerios huomenta
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09:43 simoncpu huomenta kerkari
09:43 simoncpu kekarie
09:43 simoncpu keikari
09:43 simoncpu uhm, what's the correct translation for "dude"?
09:44 v-dogg in Finnish?-)
09:44 simoncpu yepp
09:44 saracen It's probably just "Finn"
09:47 v-dogg hmm.. I'd probably use "kaveri" (pal, no gender implied) or "j?tk?" (male)
09:50 horros or "j?b?" if you want to be cool.
09:50 jurica j?b? the hut?
09:51 v-dogg hahaha
09:52 v-dogg jaebae
09:52 simoncpu huomenta kaveri!
09:53 v-dogg or "kaverit" (plural)
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10:49 sth Morning
10:49 MikeSeth herp derp
11:12 E_mE huomenta
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11:52 horros kicks PHPUnit in the face
12:03 MikeSeth kicks PHPUnit in the groin
12:03 sth kicks horros in the face
12:04 horros pulls sth's shirt over his face and punches him in the teeth
12:05 MikeSeth burns the place down
12:05 MikeSeth I win
12:06 _cheerios what's a good solution for receiving SMS? i'd want to send SMS from my mobile to my webservice.
12:07 jurica i think some kind of umts usb stick would do it
12:07 Jarda _cheerios: or use labyrintti's api
12:07 jurica if you run linux there are a few tools that can send and receive sms
12:07 Jarda http://www.labyrintti.com/
12:08 Jarda you can configure it to call your webservice
12:08 Jarda you can get the phone number and message atleast
12:08 MikeSeth Jarda: is it paid
12:09 Jarda of course it costs
12:09 MikeSeth and why is it all in stranglish
12:09 _cheerios have to ask quote to get pricing x_X
12:09 Jarda but they offer nice deals for social networking sites
12:10 _cheerios seems im looking for a 2-way gateway judging by the jargon
12:10 Jarda I've used the 2-way gateway
12:11 Jarda user "orders" an access code
12:11 jurica oh an old mobile phone with a data calbe could also do it
12:11 sth GSM modems are bad if you're attaching it to a server in a DC
12:11 Jarda jurica: yeah, but that's pretty... well.. I wouldn't do anything business critical with that
12:11 sth Ideally, you need a M2M service from a GSM carrier
12:11 Jarda it doesn't scale etc
12:12 sth That has an API and etc
12:12 jurica yep, but for the beginning its quite ok imho
12:13 jurica on the other hand if you pay by usage for a service it might be better to use it from beginning ;)
12:13 _cheerios found some old price quote for labyrintti from 2005 (290e setup, 50e/mo and 0.10e/sms)
12:13 sth if you're just sending stuff to your self, most carriers give you a free email to SMS service
12:13 _cheerios http://www.clickatell.com/ perhaps
12:14 _cheerios it'd be for anyone with a mobile anywhere to my webservice
12:14 Jarda _cheerios: I did an sms service for one "social media" site. It costed 2 euros to send the message and labyrintti took something like 40-50% from that
12:14 Jarda no other charges
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12:16 Jarda it was like user sends "blabla" to some 12345 number and labyrinttis api calls my service which then generates an access code and returns it to the labyrinttis api which then sends the code back to the number
12:25 _cheerios revenue from sms's would be <3
12:26 jurica yay, im off for my ram upgrade :D
12:26 sth watches smokes pour out from jurica's macbook
12:26 jurica he lies!
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12:37 jurica YAY 5,75GB free memory! :D
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12:42 _cheerios anyone here using an ssd on their box yet? is it the gamechanger everyone says
12:44 jurica not in my notebook but a colleague uses one and it is fast as hell, windows 7 boots in around 10seconds, apps start really fast
12:44 sth Mac OS X runs super fast, boots in 3-4 seconds
12:47 _cheerios wondering if file browsing/opening would be fast in netbeans while devving, instead of this random sluggishness with a 7200rpm drive
12:49 sth Probably a bit faster
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13:00 simoncpu _cheerios: i think gammu can send/recv messages
13:00 simoncpu i've only tried sending sms via telnet/minicom
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13:02 _cheerios would this be like using eg. your own mobile as receiver?
13:02 simoncpu yepp
13:03 simoncpu i've tried using a huwawe usb modem though
13:03 simoncpu huwawei
13:03 simoncpu http://simoncpu.wikia.com/wiki/Experiments_on_GSM/GPRS/HSDPA_modem
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13:03 simoncpu my device looks like this: http://images.meremmelek.net/images/juylmfbecmsyn9549zm.jpg
13:04 simoncpu bought it for around ~$22 USD
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13:16 jeeez huomenta
13:17 jeeez i've been learning agavi for the past few days. how do i automate the wizards? instead of waiting for it to prompt each input
13:18 jeeez like when creating actions
13:18 Jarda hmm.. you can define the answers when calling, but don't ask me what the properties are named :)
13:24 simoncpu how do i automate the wizards? <-- create a wizard for the wizard?
13:24 simoncpu =)
13:24 v-dogg hire an intern
13:24 simoncpu thinks up of a meme
13:25 simoncpu i herd you like wizards, so i made you a wizard so that it can input while you input
13:25 simoncpu hehehe
13:27 jeeez simoncpu: i was trying to do that a while back :(
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13:47 horros :x
13:47 horros Fatal error: Cannot redeclare class AgaviInflector in /var/lib/hudson/jobs/blahblah/src/libs/agavi/util/AgaviInflector.class.php on line 32
13:52 Jarda so you broke it
13:55 saracen horros: Clear cache? :)
13:57 saracen http://trac.agavi.org/browser/trunk/src/util/AgaviInflector.class.php#L107
13:57 saracen The plural of money is monies
13:59 Jarda money (normally uncountable, but moneys or monies)
13:59 Jarda http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/money
14:00 v-dogg AgaviInsultor
14:00 Jarda oh I would love that
14:00 Jarda ...as long as sth wouldn't be writing it
14:00 Jarda it would just insult germans
14:00 jurica lol
14:00 v-dogg NEIN NEIN, DAS IST VERBOTEN!
14:01 jurica you forgot the third NEIN!
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14:05 v-dogg Da Womb
14:05 Wombert ohai v-dogg
14:08 v-dogg hai there
14:08 v-dogg what's up
14:09 v-dogg hey, tell me
14:09 v-dogg how is munich in november?
14:09 jurica lovely as allways!
14:10 v-dogg any non-biased opinions?-)
14:10 jurica usually it starts gettign really cold during november sometimes theres even snow, but temperatures are usually not too low...
14:11 jurica i dont know what youre normally used to ;)
14:12 v-dogg http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/tt/44ebd/
14:15 jurica LOL!
14:16 jurica i think an umbrella and a thin jacket would do it for you :)
14:17 v-dogg what's there for a tourist in munich?
14:17 v-dogg (me & missus)
14:17 jurica oh a lot
14:17 v-dogg BX headquarters
14:17 jurica not that exciting but perhaps ;)
14:18 v-dogg "this is where it all happens"
14:18 jurica bx office is right at the central station not the most beautiful part of the city
14:20 jurica but its not far from the center
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14:21 Jarda Wombert: do you have any plans for ADT?
14:21 Jarda that would materialize somewhere in the near future
14:22 Wombert v-dogg: when exactly are you planning on going?
14:22 Wombert v-dogg: I'll show you guys around
14:22 Jarda I have some ideas for it, but I don't want to work on them if you are planning something cool :D
14:22 Wombert v-dogg: but not first week of November, please
14:22 Wombert I won't be there
14:22 Wombert Jarda: let's chat about it this weekend, okay? or Friday
14:22 Wombert I'm on a train for the airport right now
14:24 Jarda Wombert: I won't be at a computer this weekend
14:24 Jarda leaving for a friends wedding at saturday morning
14:24 v-dogg Wombert: no actual plans yet but we thought about a weekend (plus perhaps a day or two) in German/France/Britain
14:25 Jarda will be back home somewhere around sunday evening
14:25 v-dogg and Munich is one possible choice
14:25 v-dogg not necessarily Nov, might be Oct too
14:26 Wombert v-dogg: all of Germany will be rainy I guess
14:26 Wombert October should be nicer
14:26 Wombert come for Oktoberfest :D
14:26 v-dogg was just about to say... :D
14:26 Wombert v-dogg: coordinate dates on facebook maybe?
14:26 v-dogg sure
14:27 Wombert Oct 11-13 is IPC
14:27 Wombert and there's also two other confs I might attend
14:27 Wombert cool-o
14:27 jurica i think its way too late now to find a room in munich for the time of octoberfest or it will be really really expensive
14:28 v-dogg couch @ BX?-)
14:28 v-dogg (don't think missus would go for it :D
14:29 jurica :)
14:31 Wombert it's a big couch though xD
14:32 Wombert gotta go, sorry
14:33 Wombert v-dogg: message me on FB, we can sort something out
14:33 Wombert bai
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14:35 jurica bx couch is really quite big, but theres no shower in the office :p
14:36 Jarda well if it's going to rain anyway..
14:36 jurica :)
14:39 jurica wow using mysql insted of sqlite really bumps trac performance...
14:39 MikeSeth indexes help too :P
14:39 jurica sqlite simply sucks
14:40 v-dogg and mysql doesn't?! :DD
14:40 jurica it does but not as hard as sqlite
14:52 saracen s/sqlite/your mum/
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15:04 MikeSeth derp trac is still slow
15:04 MikeSeth you need like caching and shit :>
15:04 jurica its still using sqlite i got a test enviroment on mysql
15:09 MikeSeth where are global exceptions caught?
15:12 _cheerios excellent rant http://adgrok.com/new-york-will-always-be-a-tech-backwater-i-dont-care-what-chri​s-dixon-or-ron-conway-or-paul-graham-say
15:13 Jarda MikeSeth: in filter execution :)
15:14 MikeSeth Jarda: apparently not
15:15 Jarda hmm
15:15 Jarda in Agavi::bootstrap()
15:15 Jarda on line 164 of Agavi.class.php
15:16 MikeSeth yes that's the earliest instance I could find
15:16 Jarda http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/core/Agavi.class.php#L164
15:16 MikeSeth but apparently there's no formalized mechanism
15:17 Jarda hmm?
15:17 Jarda what do you mean
15:17 MikeSeth I'm pondering some sort of exception logging
15:18 Jarda oh that one
15:18 v-dogg there is life after bootstrap(), too :)
15:18 Jarda do that in exception template?
15:18 MikeSeth i can
15:18 MikeSeth but it's a template
15:18 MikeSeth it isnt supposed to like log and shit
15:18 v-dogg you can bend the rules there :)
15:18 MikeSeth but I dont LIKE to :P
15:19 MikeSeth ponders a filter
15:19 Jarda http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/controller/AgaviController.class.​php#L273
15:20 Jarda that's the point everything from actions etc gets caught
15:20 Jarda but you seemed to know that already
15:21 MikeSeth humm
15:21 Jarda how about subclassing AgaviController
15:21 Jarda and overriding dispatch() ?
15:21 MikeSeth pain
15:21 MikeSeth doable though
15:21 v-dogg filter seems like a better idea
15:22 v-dogg but but hmm..
15:22 Jarda v-dogg: so some filter that just does try { } catch { }on the top of all?
15:22 Jarda I don't think that's doable
15:22 Jarda but most likely I'm wrong with this one :)
15:24 Jarda thunderbird gone crazy
15:24 Jarda it just randomly marks email as unread
15:24 Jarda and then again read
15:24 Jarda and then again unread..
15:26 MikeSeth thunderbird is a fucking pain
15:26 MikeSeth i am writing a tool to generate tb profiles from LDAP
15:26 MikeSeth so fucking ugly
15:27 jurica how does it work? you have all needet values to the users pop/ldap boxes in their ldap profiles?
15:27 MikeSeth no I have to infer a ton
15:29 Jarda there isn't any decent alternatives to thunderbird
15:30 jurica mail.app
15:31 Jarda not on windows
15:31 Jarda and mail.app has it's annoying features also
15:31 v-dogg outlookexpress.exe
15:31 Jarda in example it doesn't strip signatures off..
15:31 jurica outlook if you are happy and have an exchange server
15:32 Jarda happy? exchange?
15:32 Jarda we got rid of exhange as it was full of shit :D
15:32 Jarda and I do hate outlook also :D
15:32 jurica im quite happy with mail.app and chose it over thunderbird though youre right its not perfect
15:33 Jarda and it replies by default to the top of the post..
15:33 Jarda and I haven't found where it can be configured
15:33 jurica imho theres no other groupware solution than exchange, or at least i dont know it
15:33 jurica mail.app? no by default it puts answers to the bottom
15:34 Jarda not my Mail.app
15:34 Jarda I'm sure I haven't configured it to reply on top
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15:56 macen jurica: http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en-GB/business/index.html
15:56 macen a decent alternative if you don't mind "the cloud"
15:56 jurica google is not getting my mail!
15:57 macen why?
15:57 jurica because!
15:57 macen lols, then you mind the cloud
15:57 jurica and its browser based which is a problem when you work offline
15:57 macen nop
15:57 macen watch the vids
15:57 jurica i mind google, i dont knwo but somehow i dont trust them
15:58 jurica ah they make your mails availible through google gears offline?
15:58 macen yes
15:58 macen they only showecased Outlook but its a direct replacement for exchange
15:58 jurica thats cool
15:59 Jarda My personal mails are hosted in google apps
15:59 Jarda and I use any imap client for them
15:59 Jarda it's free and works very reliable
16:01 jurica its not going to happen with my mail, i have a small webspace/imap monthly subscription and are very happy with it
16:01 jurica *my personal/private mail
16:02 macen going in for a new maintenance contract with main customer
16:02 macen fingers crossed but all signs are good, might even get a new car :o
16:02 jurica good luck!
16:02 macen ty
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16:03 macen downside is i'll have to use actionscript for fullscreen presentations from web
16:04 saracen The real downside is you
16:04 macen /ignore saracen
16:05 saracen trim()
16:05 macen brb
16:07 Jarda saracen: trim() doesn't trim zeros :)
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16:52 macen saracen: i'm looking forward to developing with Agavi again, more insults and unhelpful comments from you and v-dogg
16:54 E_mE wants to murder PDO
16:54 saracen Awesome. Will it include more basic PHP and Agavi questions that get repeatedly asked, even when several people have given you answers?
16:55 E_mE sniggers
16:55 macen saracen: unfortunately it's inevitable isn't it
16:55 E_mE what to write down what you learn macen?
16:55 saracen I suppose so. I guess you are new to Ag- No wait. You were here before I got here.
16:56 macen i'm trying to develop more with PHP / Agavi so I can get a "proper job" as a developer
16:56 E_mE I thought you had your own company macen?
16:56 E_mE or has the credit crunch, munched your balls?
16:56 macen i got given a contract for regular money so it's like i'm employed now
16:57 E_mE good luck, i wont disclose which party :P
16:57 macen ha ty :)
16:57 macen how is chesterfield? you and your missus settled?
16:58 E_mE ja, we've been her for more then a year now
16:58 E_mE things are going well
16:58 E_mE you smashed anymore windows recently?
16:58 macen i'm still doing cs for that heh
16:58 macen not been out since
16:59 E_mE eletronic tag by any chance?
16:59 macen moved out last year - that, as you can probably imagine, was painful
16:59 macen E_mE: uhm, yes. you read it in the paper too heh
17:00 macen i'm officially a criminal :>
17:00 macen things are better now
17:00 E_mE not what i'd be proud about
17:00 macen it's no asbo
17:07 saracen Breaking windows when drunk is seriously cool.
17:07 macen i pleased you for once saracen
17:08 saracen What do you mean for once? Your incredibly bad programming skills please me consistantly
17:09 macen wait, i'll go and get a code snippet for you to look at before it starts to hurt
17:10 saracen Take it like a man, shorty.
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18:11 _cheerios sonera's netshop is a joke. it's so slow it's impossible to buy anything.
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21:38 _cheerios dejavu doing image upload with exif check to 2005ish
21:41 jurica woot?
21:56 _cheerios i made a flickr-clone 2005/2006
21:56 _cheerios jurica, oh, obligatory IT'S NOT HERE YET.
21:57 jurica ah
22:25 _cheerios http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/11907_Preview_of_new_Ovi_Store_clien.ph​p
22:25 _cheerios looking good
22:33 _cheerios Nokia will have really good handsets out Q1/2011 it seems.
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23:32 _cheerios S3 ofc goes down when I use it
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00:30 Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
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09:29 _cheerios huomenta
09:29 jurica hi
09:31 simoncpu huomenta kaverit!
09:32 _cheerios simoncpu: huomenta :)
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09:48 MugeSo huomenta
09:50 CIA-74 david * r4550 /trunk/CHANGELOG: credit Koichi for the response attributes idea
09:51 Jarda Wombert: want to have a patch for this one? http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1287 I can do it maybe tonight?
09:51 MikeSeth gentlemen
09:51 Wombert dnd
09:51 Wombert :>
09:51 Wombert <3
09:51 Wombert hugs Jarda
09:52 MugeSo Wombert: thanks for credit ;)
09:52 Wombert you got it
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09:53 Jarda dnd? Dungeons & Dragons ? :)
10:01 MikeSeth do not disturb
10:15 _cheerios 29hrs and then to Pori for Sonisphere! \o/
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11:38 Jarda hmm
11:38 Jarda is ttj around?
11:38 Jarda (and we don't need sth to insult ttj's shoes or whatever :D)
11:52 _cheerios him: "hey, cheerios, the features arent working anymore! WHAT'S GOING ON?!!"
11:52 _cheerios goes over to check what's the fuss
11:52 _cheerios me: "you're not logged-in"
11:52 _cheerios another day at the office :)
11:54 jurica :)
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12:14 horros re-kicks PHPUnit in the face
12:14 horros pre-emptively punches sth in the teeth
12:15 jurica horros: is this your new daily ritual?
12:15 horros Yes.
12:15 jurica grat!
12:15 jurica +e
12:16 horros It gets me into a nice and relaxed zen-like state.
12:16 jurica :)
12:18 horros I can't seem to get PHPUnit to create the junit-compatible log file :(
12:20 horros AHAA
12:20 horros kicks self in face
12:22 Jarda horros: could you rewrite propel to work with process isolation in tests?
12:22 Jarda and/or PDO
12:22 horros No thanks.
12:22 Jarda we can't use process isolation as PDO won't sleep...
12:29 horros Ha
12:29 horros There we go!
12:29 horros Hudson <3
12:36 jurica you use hudson for php tsting?
12:37 _cheerios ditton on hudson <3
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12:38 Jarda CruiseControl + phpUnderControl here
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12:50 _cheerios China's maglev trains to hit 1,000 km/h in three years, wow. :D
12:50 _cheerios that'd be quite some ride
12:50 jurica yay and its all german transrapid technology
12:51 horros hmmh.
12:51 horros now I need to figure out how to turn this master into a slave, and set up a new master
12:52 jurica setup a slave, transfer the config and delete the unneeded configs on the master?
12:53 _cheerios im just unfucking old code. boring, but will make days better :)
12:54 horros jurica: Weeeelll, the machine I set things up with is on the internal network. I need the new master to be on a public network and to delegate all jobs to the slave on the internal network :|
12:55 jurica urgs
12:55 jurica alternative: no machine on public network and use vpn :)
12:56 horros too much cocking about with that :P
12:56 jurica :)
13:02 horros humms
13:17 Jarda hmm.. there is executeRead, executeWrite, executeCreate
13:17 Jarda right?
13:17 Jarda but is there executeDelete?
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14:31 MikeSeth Jarda: umm
14:33 MikeSeth it's executeRemove()
14:33 MikeSeth http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/request/AgaviWebRequest.class.php​#L343
14:45 Jarda MikeSeth: oh, cool thanks
14:53 v-dogg so, still without response attrbs, is the global request object still the The Way to inject stuff into <head>?
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18:32 ttj Jarda: What do you need?
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19:58 Jarda ttj: just wanted to know if you are going to make your annual trip to turku this summer=
19:58 Jarda or have you already done it :)
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20:15 Jarda noooooo... AgaviUploadedFile isn't tested at all..
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20:34 ttj Jarda: I was meaning to sail a boat from Oulu to Turku now, but we've been so slow that I'm jumping off in Vaasa tomorrow.
20:38 Jarda ok..
20:41 horros ttj: Say hello to Suomen vapaudenpatsas from me.
20:42 ttj Hmm... What's that? :)
20:42 horros Many a beer has been drunk whilst sitting at it's foot.
20:42 horros ttj: Statue in the town square
20:42 horros (I grew up in Vaasa)
20:43 ttj Ok. Most likely won't really stick around Vaasa. Just getting the boat into the harbor and then catching the first train out. :)
20:44 horros ttj: Well, if said harbour is Vaskiluoto, you'll be going straight past the town square to get to the train station :)
20:44 horros btw, have they fixed the train lines from and to sein?joki yet?
20:44 ttj Dunno. Hopefully. :D
20:46 horros ttj: Tried to check, seems like it. VR.fi doesn't mention anything.
20:46 horros Otoh shouldn't be a problem, if they're not working, then they've been replaced with busses.
20:48 horros hmm, now I'm actually not even sure that there was a problem in sein?joki. I just thought I heard something along those lines on the news
20:49 ttj Could've been. Been very much in the dark in regards to news since last weekend.
20:51 horros might have been just a temporary glitch in the electrics yesterday
21:08 v-dogg uhh ohhh Chuck Norris' Missing in Action (1984) is on :)
21:08 v-dogg I remember watching this as a kid
21:08 horros Now you made me want to watch The Octagon again!
21:12 v-dogg heh, should probably watch that some time
21:13 v-dogg it has even Lee Van Cleef! Coolness guaranteed
21:18 horros kicks Ubuntu in the face
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21:35 Jarda I'm almost there with this AgaviUploadedFile thing. Only need to write tests for it... :)
21:35 Jarda so this might take until the weekend
21:35 graste ?
21:35 graste :>
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21:41 Jarda http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1287
21:41 Jarda I decided to work something for the 1.1
21:41 Jarda I really would like things to speed up
21:41 graste i c
21:41 graste good work :-)
21:41 graste yes
21:50 saracen Jarda: When i reported the ArrayObject issue to David, he did mention that it could probably just be removed. So hopefully it will happen :)
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21:51 Jarda saracen: well it depends how much BC we are willing to break
21:51 saracen BREAK IT ALL.
21:51 graste break everything before 1.0 :D
21:51 graste no, be kind to old supporters
21:51 graste :y
21:51 Jarda but ArrayAccess with proper OO getters is not that bad imo
21:53 Wombert ArrayObject can go
21:53 Wombert as the ticket says
21:53 saracen Not sure. I like array access on objects when in templates - I can see that you might want to use an AgaviUploadedFile in a template - but saying that, it'd be pretty easy to export the data as such
21:54 Jarda Wombert: of arrayobject can go. It's horrible :D
21:54 Jarda *of course
21:58 Jarda but..
21:58 Jarda this is already going to break BC as the signature of the constructor changes
21:59 graste don't make me change all those custom File implementations derived from AgaviUploadedFile :P
21:59 graste extended that class a few times in (legacy) projects we have here :-)
21:59 graste think they will have to stick to agavi version they have
21:59 graste anyways
22:01 Wombert it'll be BC
22:02 Jarda Wombert: oh some params to the constructor that does nothing?
22:02 Wombert I'll have to take a look
22:02 Wombert but we should be able to change it without side effects
22:03 graste :-)
22:04 Jarda well the only thing that really changes, is that we don't need to call the arrayobject constructor thus 2/3 arguments are not needed anymore in AgaviUploadedFile constructor
22:04 Jarda you will get a patch for the modifications tonight
22:04 Jarda but only for the AgaviUploadedFile
22:04 Jarda not the migrations and tests
22:05 Jarda those I'll look into later
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22:15 Jarda http://trac.agavi.org/attachment/ticket/1287/AgaviUploadedFile_ArrayAccess.patch
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22:32 saracen Jarda: Is the data stored in $data, rather than class properties, because it makes the constructors metge of option override easier?
22:32 saracen merge*
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23:23 erisco when I try to download the tarballs from the download page it just redirects me to the download page
23:23 erisco am I alone in this problem?
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00:26 MikeSeth uhm
00:41 erisco well, I figured out where MAMP put the pear script so I am doing fine
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05:51 Jarda saracen: well, for two (or three) reasons. 1) Merging with defaults is easier 2) the nature of arrayaccess ( 3) There's no significant performance problem with plain arrays )
07:10 saracen It doesn't look like Agavi actually merges in anything to alter the defaults when it creates the AgaviUploadedFile instance itself. It also seems weird that you'd want to change them. Now that you've provided setters/getters, it would seem more appropriate that overrides are done with them anyway.
07:11 Jarda well I didn't want to change the nature how it works
07:12 Jarda and I didn't yet look at all how it's implemented / integrated
07:24 Jarda hey
07:24 Jarda are php methods case sensitive?
07:27 saracen nope
07:27 Jarda ok
07:27 Jarda but array keys are?
07:27 saracen yeah
07:31 saracen Personally, I'd implement offsetGet to strip underscores, then call the real getSomething() implementation. offsetSet I'd leave blank to make it read only via the array accessor
07:31 saracen But that'd break BC :(
07:33 Jarda well personally I'd drop the whole array access thing as I'm not using it :)
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09:21 sth Morning
09:22 Jarda morning
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11:58 MugeSo http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DED979E0E0E1092A
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12:10 sth Why is youtube.jp so much better
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13:17 E_mE huomenta fellows
13:17 E_mE sth: why do you say that?
13:19 E_mE is there a way i can stop the agavi from limitting my executions in a particular context?
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13:19 davidc_ mouhaha :)
13:19 sth shit. :x
13:19 E_mE im trying to create an email queue in console mode but keep getting Caught exception: Too many execution runs have been detected for this Context. after 2 full cycles, which does call currently 10 create container routines"
13:19 davidc_ ahh sth
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13:20 E_mE each cycle calls 10 extra create containersi mean
13:21 E_mE ive got my code in a while loop until all mail is sent in the queue OR my loop counter exceeds 100
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13:21 davidc_ hehe
13:21 davidc_ howzit?
13:22 sth Not too bad
13:22 sth I'm in Berlin :D
13:22 sth How are you?
13:23 davidc_ I'm surviving, enjoying the non-arguinging-argument of david and pierre
13:24 sth haha
13:24 sth Went I first started at Bitextender, there was an argument between David and Dominik about how started the argument they were in.
13:24 sth s/went/when/
13:25 davidc_ I swear david is an artist at arguing
13:27 sth He really is
13:27 davidc_ Doesn't surprise me one bit
13:28 davidc_ It's even funnier when it's two germans arguing
13:28 sth Yeah, it's amazingly funny
13:28 davidc_ french are just arrogant when they argue but germans get really emotional and moving and stuff :D
13:28 davidc_ mouhahah's
13:29 sth there's also a lot of hand actions when Germans argue
13:29 davidc_ haha yeah htus my "moving" bit :D
13:43 v-dogg :D
13:55 E_mE can anyone advise me on how to stop or increase agavi from limiting the execution in console context?
13:59 v-dogg limiting what? execution time or container executions?
14:02 E_mE hi v-dogg, well ive got a console command to setup a email queue, which in hand creates a new AgaviExecutionContainer for sending out a email template, But, if the mail fails to send it will stay in the queue until its sent, but ... if after so many executons i get an exception: Caught exception: Too many execution runs have been detected for this Context.
14:03 E_mE where as the loop should keep going until my loop counter is reached or all have been successfully sent
14:04 v-dogg umm... there is a parameter for that
14:04 v-dogg which goes into factories.xml, iirc
14:05 v-dogg but you need to do some source digging to figure it out :)
14:05 E_mE ah for console context i guess
14:05 E_mE ah okay.. thank you :)
14:42 sth Bad joke: Englands bowlers are bringing pakistan to tears, that's all they need.. more water...
14:46 zemm downloads @ agavi.org still do not work, as someone said earlier :\
14:49 Jarda why would someone want to download tarballs :)
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15:00 zemm to justify the work of someone who put tarballs for download
15:01 sth zemm: fixed
15:01 sth They're gzipped tarballs
15:01 sth And, it was Womberts idea
15:01 sth Plus tarballs are easier to work with on unix imo
15:05 zemm sth: did you notice my proposition of considering the possibility of using css max-width on the site instead of static width?
15:06 sth Nope
15:06 sth When did you suggest that?
15:06 zemm couple of days ago
15:06 sth :/
15:06 sth Can you find it in the logs? (please)
15:07 sth (found it)
15:09 zemm the only thing that breaks is the footer as far as i noticed
15:10 sth mm moving to 960 wouldn't be a such a bad idea
15:13 zemm imho static is pity since the site scales so nicely as it is :) but just a notice and not so important one
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17:17 jurica off for vacation!!! cu in a week
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17:24 sth gj leaving :D
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17:34 saracen lol
17:36 sth "lol" indeed
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18:09 E_mE sth: beware, saracen full of thrush today
18:17 macen what's new
18:20 saracen comical genii.
18:20 macen so that's how you spell genius in the plural
18:21 saracen or geniuses. I'm not sure which the OED lists first, though
18:21 macen meaning you just checked
18:22 saracen No ;x, meaning I cant be bothered to check, otherwise I'd know which came first
18:37 sth genius |'d?i:n??s|
18:37 sth noun ( pl. geniuses )
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18:41 saracen You penii
18:44 macen time for pub
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18:04 v-dogg wtf: http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23agavi
18:05 v-dogg p1[php|perl|net|python]developer spamming
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23:41 MikeSeth herp derp
23:54 Rayne hurr durr mr. mike
23:54 MikeSeth durr hurr
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00:34 CIA-74 david * r4551 /branches/1.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add AgaviXsltRenderer, closes #1299
00:35 CIA-74 david * r4552 /branches/1.0/etc/routing/test-case-generator/README: IIS7 rewrite readme, refs #1265
00:37 CIA-74 david * r4553 /branches/1.0/src/database/AgaviSqlsrvDatabase.class.php: handle error charset fixes in ext/sqlsrv v2, refs #1264
00:38 CIA-74 david * r4554 /branches/1.0/RELEASE_NOTES: RELEASE_NOTES for some new stuff
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07:33 jeeez following the tutorial, after I did the steps in the tutorial section 5.2 i get http://pastebin.com/Nxdks6k4 this error
07:33 jeeez anyone who can guess what i did wrong? :\
07:35 v-dogg show /var/www/bloggie/app/modules/Posts/templates/IndexSuccess.php please
07:53 jeeez v-dogg: okay, that was like hitting my head. i edited the wrong file
08:38 sth If I had to guess, you was missing a ->toArray() somewhere anyway
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09:13 simoncpu_ ping6 bugzilla
09:13 simoncpu_ dang, wrong tab
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12:01 _cheerios HUOMENTA #AGAVI!
12:02 v-dogg huomenta
12:02 v-dogg apparently you survived the storm?-)
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12:04 _cheerios i read later that 40 got injured. not one of them. but totally soaked in 5mins (E71 still lives!)
12:04 _cheerios ->lunch
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12:42 Rendez huomenta
12:43 Rendez anyone seen Xylakant?
12:45 Rendez I just wanted to announce (unofficially) that we are looking for an Agavi developer. He has to be able to relocate to Mallorca for at least 3-6 months. Our company is almost 1 year old startup with prevision for next year and still a small and focused team of 3 devs including me.
12:45 Rendez If anybody wants to know more or knows somebody that might be interested in this opportunity please let me know
12:46 Rendez Conditions and workplace are absolutely great, and salary too
12:47 _cheerios Mallorca? not bad :)
12:47 Rendez Any question or suggestions, you can contact me on luis@vadingo.com
12:48 _cheerios do you work with digitarald, Rendez ?
12:48 Rendez hmm, not really, the original plan was.. he was going to join us at the beginning, but at the same time he got this job offer from Poken.com
12:49 _cheerios ok. i remember him working in/near mallorca, that's all.
12:49 Rendez so at the end I called E_mE and he joined us
12:49 Rendez he actually introduced me to this job
12:49 Rendez ;)
12:49 Rendez Harald I mean
12:49 Rendez I moved to Mallorca from Barcelona, and now I don't want to move back :D
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12:50 Wombert sth: ping
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12:52 Xylakant ohai
12:54 Jarda Wombert: is this something you meant with the comments http://codepad.org/Kb6X7q5m
12:54 Jarda Xylakant: o/
12:55 v-dogg hai guys
12:55 Jarda v-dogg: coffee. Now. Or I'm going to murder someone :)
12:55 v-dogg who's in charge of www.agavi.org?
12:56 Wombert me
12:56 Wombert wy
12:56 v-dogg Jarda: go make some! you CAN, I trust you
12:57 Jarda I'll go to the coffee house downstairs and tell them to bill you :)
12:57 v-dogg Wombert: I wanted to ask about the twitter buzz you have there. is it loaded automatically and if so, how do you filter the webdevelopmentwhatever.com spam?
12:57 Wombert v-dogg: it loads the timeline of @Agavi
12:57 Wombert API call is, hang on
12:57 v-dogg ah oh sure
12:58 v-dogg bah, stupid me. I thought it showed anything with #agavi tag
12:58 Wombert https://api.twitter.com/1/statuses/user_timeline/Agavi.json?include_rts=true&inc​lude_entities=true
12:58 v-dogg sure
12:58 Wombert include_rts includes retweets, which I then mingle a bit so the original author appears
12:58 Wombert include_entities includes @, # and http:// offsets for easy replacing, but the offsets are utf-8, so I couldn't be arsed yet to implement that stuff
12:59 Wombert (would have to start replacing from the back)
12:59 Wombert actually, I think I implemented it, wait a sec
12:59 Wombert yeah, I did
13:00 Wombert obviously, you have to order entities in reverse, across all categories, and start replacing at the end (with iconv_substr), or else the offsets change
13:03 v-dogg too much work :)
13:03 v-dogg I just what the text body and a direct link to the tweet
13:03 v-dogg me lazy-arse :)
13:04 v-dogg but I want anything with #hasttag
13:04 v-dogg http://search.twitter.com/search.rss?q=%23agavi
13:05 v-dogg might have to think about spam filtering or smth
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13:15 Wombert report those motherfuckers
13:15 Wombert I already did, but twitter isn't blocking them
13:18 Wombert for "agavi", you also get a lot of stupid hipster girls talking about agave tea but misspelling it
13:18 Wombert and a few hotels or restaurants in italy or spain or portugal that are called "Agavi"
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14:02 Jarda sevenload.com doesn't load when Accept is set to application/json
14:02 Jarda I guess internaly the exception is AgaviViewException with the message executeJson not implemented :)
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15:02 MikeSeth Jarda: that shouldn't happen unless there's a routing rule that says the header should switch to json output mode
15:02 Jarda there most likely is :)
15:02 MikeSeth then its a sevenload bug
15:03 Jarda of course it's not a bug.. if the response header is sane
15:03 Jarda 503 Service Not Available
15:03 v-dogg 666 Infernal Error
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15:29 _cheerios samsung galaxy s arrived to local gsm-store, time to go android...
15:38 sth just buy an iphone 4 :x
15:40 MikeSeth http://www.fic.com.tw/product/ce268.aspx
15:40 MikeSeth opinions anyone?
15:41 _cheerios sth: they're harder to get, plus no mac at home to dev it with
15:42 _cheerios weighs less than a kilo? niiice.
15:42 MikeSeth and costs slightly above $100
15:43 Wombert MikeSeth: is that from the 80s?
15:43 MikeSeth umad? :P
15:43 MikeSeth it's a 7" subnotebook
15:43 MikeSeth could fit in my shoulder bag
15:43 Wombert dude, look at it
15:43 Wombert you have a shoulder bag
15:43 Wombert oh dear
15:44 sth that's ugly :x
15:44 MikeSeth yeah cause i tend to carry a lot of shit around, diary, smoking stuff, wallet, keys, usb cables, phone etc
15:44 saracen MikeSeth: Didn't you know? If it's not white, with chrome edges or some shit and doesn't have a picture of an apple on it
15:44 saracen Wombert wont like it
15:44 sth MikeSeth: You'll need to carry around a mouse all the time
15:45 sth because the trackpad is the size of my thumbnail
15:45 MikeSeth no i won't
15:45 MikeSeth my linux setup is 100% mouseless
15:45 MikeSeth i3-wm + emacs :P
15:45 Wombert UH HUH
15:45 sth Does the screen detach and become a tablet or something?
15:45 Wombert AND HOW DO YOU PLAY FUNNY FLASH GAMES?
15:45 Wombert :p
15:45 saracen Whats the cost MikeSeth?
15:46 Wombert what I really like about this thing
15:46 Wombert is how they say
15:46 Wombert * Stylish and ultra compact design
15:46 MikeSeth $180
15:46 sth Wombert: lol
15:46 MikeSeth Wombert: I dont play funny flash games
15:46 _cheerios the keyboard might be a tad cramped for comfortable use
15:46 Wombert okay, what about Jewtube MikeSeth?
15:46 sth Because putting the speaker and the webcam on the right side of the monitor is awesome.
15:47 MikeSeth dont care about it either
15:47 MikeSeth i dont even click youtube links on reddit
15:47 Wombert afraid of being rickroll'd?
15:47 sth I can only assume a group product designers came together to decide on the least usable netbook design ever and this is the result
15:49 MikeSeth Wombert: no, valuing my time
15:49 MikeSeth facebook is a hive of retardation
15:49 MikeSeth also like half of the videos are blocked in israel
15:49 MikeSeth because of copyright law that says jews can't watch music
15:49 sth If you valued your time and money buy a dell 10 or something
15:51 MikeSeth its like $450 in Israel
15:52 MikeSeth vs $300 in white people's inhabitats
15:53 sth Cross the border then
15:54 Wombert sth: rofl
15:54 Wombert sth: he'll be shot in the face I guess
15:54 Wombert lemme check
15:54 Wombert Lebanon: yes
15:54 Wombert Jordan: possibly
15:55 Wombert Egypt: by Hamas
15:55 Wombert so, yeah
15:55 sth Stop being a girl :D
15:55 ttj But if Hani Salaam shoots him in Jordan, it might just be worth it. Getting shot by I nicely dressed person is always nicer than getting shot by fugly people.
15:56 ttj s/by I/by/
15:56 MikeSeth there's no Hamas in Egypt
15:56 MikeSeth but there is Islamic Brotherhood
15:59 Wombert same thing
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16:09 _cheerios good advice for mysql-users, been doing this w/user rights myself :( http://ronaldbradford.com/blog/why-grant-all-is-bad-2010-08-06/
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17:29 _cheerios samsung galaxy s at home now, charging. countdown to ANDROID-WHINE will begin in an hour or so...
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20:04 Jarda Wombert: new version of the patch coming up.. if trac allows me to..
20:06 Jarda Wombert: http://trac.agavi.org/attachment/ticket/1287/AgaviUploadedFile_ArrayAccess_v2.pa​tch
20:06 Jarda here you go
20:08 saracen Jarda: line 66 of the patch
20:08 saracen $defauls
20:08 Jarda oh, true
20:09 Jarda maybe I should try this out before writing a patch :)
20:10 Wombert and coding style there...
20:10 Wombert foreach (
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20:11 saracen Coding style again, also variable names. $this->tmp_name, for example
20:11 saracen It'll make your array accessor methods more annoying, because you'll need to strip underscores
20:11 saracen But germans love their consistancy
20:11 saracen Which is why they always lose wars
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20:12 _cheerios charged, whee. on android! FANBOI-MODE-ON!
20:13 Jarda saracen: array accessor methods?
20:15 saracen Jarda: Yeah, your ArrayAccess implementation. $var['tmp_name'] would translate to $this->tmp_name, which would be wrong, if you use the Agavi Style, as the classes properties would be called: $tmpName
20:15 saracen So you'd need to strip the underscore
20:16 Jarda I'm not using any predefined properties because of ArrayAccess
20:16 Jarda as you can see
20:16 saracen Oh i see, it also gets it from the indexMap
20:16 saracen So you could use predefined properties
20:17 Jarda I could. But that would not be a significant performance boost.
20:17 saracen It's not about the performance
20:19 Jarda oh, what then?
20:19 Jarda consistency? :)
20:19 saracen You've already corrected the performance, I only mention it because of the style guide / consistancy. Not really sure why the indexMap is required now, either. I'd also have called the method isUploadedFile() rather than getIsUploadedFile()
20:20 Jarda saracen: me too, but the old implementation of __call translated to getIsUploadedFile
20:22 saracen Yeah. I think it makes more sense though to translate offsetGet's call and make a special case for that, otherwise it seems to expose a method name which isn't very traditional
20:22 Jarda hmm.. yeah
20:25 Jarda saracen: I would need to have getIsUploadedFile() which then retusn isUploadedFile() and mark getIsUploadedFile() as @deprecated
20:27 saracen yeah
20:29 Jarda that's doable
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20:32 _cheerios 3G works, wifi works, gmail is rather nice with android
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20:40 johannes anybody has an idea about integrating an OpenID consumer with agavi? - My current idea is to do the openid outside the framework ...
20:43 _cheerios sucks to be finnish with a touch screen with android keyboard; ??? take away that no space included without additional tapping
20:58 Jarda ok Wombert, I'm leaving the bug for today, you can check the latest patch: http://trac.agavi.org/attachment/ticket/1287/AgaviUploadedFile_ArrayAccess_v5.pa​tch
20:58 Jarda _cheerios: you can download a scandinavian keyboard from the market
20:59 Wombert re
20:59 Wombert yeah, the index map bothered me, too, not sure if it's still necessary
20:59 Wombert haven't looked at it
21:00 Jarda well the point is. Someone may have been using $uploadedFile['TmpName']
21:00 Jarda and we kinda have to support that, don't we?
21:01 Jarda going to take a shower
21:02 _cheerios is html5 geolocation broken on android 2.1?
21:06 _cheerios also when i tried the provided google maps, it for a moment used the correct gps/wifi location then resorted to IP
21:30 Jarda that's what you get with a samsung :)
21:32 v-dogg someone worked with openid but who was it? digitarald?
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21:53 _cheerios besides this things've worked so far, faster cpu improved internet browsing experience
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22:20 MrJeep did someone ever see something like that with mysql:
22:20 MrJeep DROP FUNCTION DAMLEV;
22:20 MrJeep #1305 - FUNCTION somedatabase.DAMLEV does not exist
22:20 MrJeep CREATE FUNCTION DAMLEV RETURNS INT SONAME 'damlev.so';
22:20 MrJeep #1125 - Function 'DAMLEV' already exists
22:20 MrJeep I'm trying to drop a function, it's not working because it does not exists
22:20 MrJeep but I can't create it because it does exists
22:21 Wombert yeah
22:21 Wombert google for it
22:21 Wombert not sure what it was
22:21 Wombert but I think I've seen that before
22:22 MrJeep how would you call this problem ?
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22:38 v-dogg MrJeep: wrong search_path?
22:39 v-dogg oops, mysql
22:39 v-dogg I was in PostgreSQL land (it's happy place, you should visit sometime :)
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22:45 _cheerios re-booted phone and it can't find a cell network anymore, gg
22:46 v-dogg :D
22:46 v-dogg minor setbacks
22:54 Wombert why did you reboot your phone?
22:54 Wombert something went wrong with the gay trackball thingie?
22:54 saracen 20:30:35 < v-dogg> someone worked with openid but who was it?
22:54 _cheerios "reboot" as in just restarted, forgot to move contacts from phone=>sim on E71
22:55 saracen I did some work with it. As a consumer. I found all the libraries to be meh
22:55 _cheerios took 2mins for samsung to find cell networks on boot...
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23:02 _cheerios seems i need an app from the market to find out data usage on an android
23:05 _cheerios dl'ed netcounter, seems to work -- i guess it'll stay in the background as andriod doesn't have "close/terminate app" functinality
23:06 _cheerios phone rebooted, gg
23:12 _cheerios so no way to turn battery-chugging background apps i guess when not needing them right now
23:15 Wombert bwahahaha
23:15 Wombert I think you can install some kind of app
23:15 Wombert to close apps
23:15 Wombert awwwwww
23:15 Wombert android is such a pile of fucking fail...
23:20 _cheerios problematic, yes
23:20 _cheerios -> tired
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00:06 MrJe-1 i seem to be able to identify my mysql user defined function
00:07 MrJe-1 http://www.bigresource.com/MYSQL-Error-1305-trying-to-execute-User-Defined-Funct​ion-uBGowhGh.html#
00:07 MrJe-1 but I don't see a damn answer
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09:28 _cheerios huomenta
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09:36 _cheerios typing on a train with touch screen proved to be a challenge due all the rattling
09:40 _cheerios Contacts on Android seems quite broken. duplicates, duplicates and then some duplicates
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09:50 Jarda _cheerios: that's what you get with a samsung..
09:50 Jarda I remember telling you to get a htc :)
09:50 _cheerios do the androids differ that much?
09:50 _cheerios btw. what's a good notetaking app?
09:51 Jarda _cheerios: htc has it's own UI and contacts app
09:51 Jarda but I guess your duplicates are also in your google contacts
09:52 Jarda something like one set of contacts in google contacts and other set in SIM or something similar
09:52 _cheerios in the normal Contacts that is is shown i can set it to show ppl with phone-number only, that's ok
09:52 _cheerios but with its built-in "messaging" when it lists the contacts, it lists everything again not obeying those settings at all
09:53 _cheerios maybe i just need a better messaging-app
09:53 _cheerios which one do you use?
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09:54 Jarda the built-in. I don
09:54 Jarda 't know if it's by htc
09:54 Jarda or android built-in
09:54 sth Morning
09:54 Jarda but I don't have any other contacst than google contacts
09:55 Jarda I exported my contacts from my mac to csv and uploaded to google contacts
09:55 sth Why isn't your mac using google contacts too?
09:55 Jarda because I don't know how to
09:55 Jarda and before android I didn't use google contacts at all :)
09:55 Jarda so I had to initially import them somehow
09:57 sth Address Book -> Preferences
09:58 _cheerios dropbox for android seems to cure the notetaking problem
10:00 MikeSeth HFC Legend - opinions?
10:01 Jarda MikeSeth: HTC?
10:02 MikeSeth yeah
10:02 MikeSeth I was thinking of KFC at the time
10:02 MikeSeth ;>
10:02 Jarda mmm... kfc... :)
10:03 Jarda MikeSeth: should be fine. A bit slower thought than desire
10:05 MikeSeth Desire has a bigger screen
10:05 bascht yep. The Legend sucks in terms of screen size.
10:08 Jarda bascht: well yes. But the screen on my hero is big enough for me :)
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10:10 bascht Jarda: yep, for the most cases it's enough
10:20 _cheerios how do i get keychain nags off on mac when using chrome? it's been asking for every form submit with a pwd now.. annoying
10:21 Jarda I know. I haven't had the time to investigate that
10:21 Jarda it started recently
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10:38 jeeez what are ezt files? aren't template files supposed to be in PHP too?
10:38 jeeez i'm 'filling' out a skeleton framework made by a friend
10:39 MikeSeth eztemplate
10:39 MikeSeth and no, templates are rendered via template adapters, so you can hook up any engine
10:39 jeeez i see
10:39 MikeSeth there is eztemplate support in Agavi, though I personally prefer Dwoo or plain PHP
10:40 MikeSeth see app/config/output_types.xml
10:40 jeeez that's my boss' call :)
10:42 jeeez <ae:parameter name="default_extension">.ezt</ae:parameter> <-- that's all the code needed to change the rendering engine?
10:42 MikeSeth no, you need to specify a handler class
10:43 MikeSeth <output_type name="html">
10:43 MikeSeth <renderers default="dwoo">
10:43 MikeSeth <renderer name="dwoo" class="YuccaDwooRenderer">
10:43 MikeSeth here, I use a Dwoo renderer from my subframework
10:43 jeeez got it
10:44 jeeez the code i have in hand has 'AgaviPHPRender' as the class
10:44 jeeez but extension is set to ezt
10:45 jeeez that class can handle ezt too or is that a mistake?
10:45 MikeSeth no it can't
10:45 MikeSeth that's for plain PHP
10:46 MikeSeth http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/renderer/AgaviEzctemplateRenderer​.class.php
10:46 MikeSeth you want this one
10:46 jeeez will check it out, thanks
10:50 sth I guess that needs updating now ezc has become an apache project
10:50 MikeSeth s/updating/killing/
11:02 jeeez where can i find some documentation for eztemplate usage with agavi? :\
11:02 MikeSeth no idea as far as I can tell no one uses it
11:03 MikeSeth basically you need to configure the renderer and then it's all according to eztemplate rules (which is documented on its own site)
11:03 Wombert there's not much to it
11:03 Wombert configure the renderer, and you're done
11:03 Wombert it'll use it to render your templates
11:03 Wombert de
11:03 Wombert default extension will be .ezt or something, so you can omit that
11:08 jeeez http://pastebin.com/bsteXHEu is that right?
11:08 jeeez because it causes an error
11:08 sth mm Felix just turned up at the Exozet office
11:12 MikeSeth jeeez: I don't see a problem
11:12 MikeSeth what kind of error?
11:12 jeeez Fatal error: Class 'ezcTemplate' not found in <somedir>/libs/agavi/renderer/ezctemplate/AgaviEzctemplateTemplate.class.php on line 31 <-- trying to figure that out
11:13 jeeez i guess its because i'm not telling it where the eztemplate files are?
11:14 MikeSeth no, it needs the separate ezctemplate package installed and specified in autoload.xml
11:14 MikeSeth i dunno how to install it, probably via pear
11:15 MikeSeth see the vendor's site
11:27 jeeez should the build.properties be modified to make an Agavi project work in a new location?
11:27 jeeez apart from dev.properties
11:28 MikeSeth i can't think of a reason
11:28 MikeSeth usually you dont need to modify anything other than URL rewriting root
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13:05 _cheerios Russian man jailed for assaulting fortune teller who predicted he would go to jail http://bit.ly/c70pn5
13:14 sth win
13:14 Jarda epic
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15:34 MrJeep Wombert: I fixed my MySQL UDF function problem!
15:34 MrJeep I restarted the server :D
15:37 hzilla Wombert in Japan?
15:39 Wombert hzilla: not anymore I'm afraid
15:39 Wombert but it was a nice trip
15:39 hzilla that was quick
15:39 Wombert Tokyo, Kyoto, kobe beef, talks at the PHP user group...
15:39 Wombert just one week, yea
15:40 Wombert Koichi showed us around
15:40 hzilla nice
15:40 Wombert also went to Yokohama for a day, nice place
15:40 hzilla first time?
15:40 Wombert Minato Mirai in particular
15:40 Wombert yes
15:41 hzilla where did u stay in Tokyo?
15:41 Wombert Cerulean Tower and Conrad
15:42 Wombert Granvia and http://9hours.jp/ in Kyoto
15:42 hzilla aha so u got a dose of shibuya
15:43 hzilla any recrodings of talks etc?
15:52 Wombert http://bit.ly/9DT2ae http://bit.ly/cnhXCs http://bit.ly/clm2Z7
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16:13 _cheerios damn samsung battery loading on 2nd recharge for 2hr40mins already, i want my day to end :)
16:15 MrJeep great pres as always Wombert
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17:04 _cheerios whee 100%
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19:33 hzilla hey chaps
19:34 v-dogg anyone happen to have a http url validator or a decent regexp for it?-)
19:35 v-dogg where is agaviforge!
19:35 v-dogg slaps *
19:36 hzilla http://pastie.org/1084250
19:36 v-dogg whoaaa
19:37 hzilla u can comment out bits which u don't need
19:37 v-dogg thanks, much appreciated
19:37 hzilla workes with stupid facbook urls too
19:38 hzilla so how can i prevent the FPF from removing values from inputs which are not in the request data?
19:39 hzilla eg edit view on a form, some inputs have to be constructed. FPF removes tge values
19:43 sth The tld bit might as well be removed
19:44 hzilla possibly. depends how accurate u want to be
19:44 sth There's way more tlds than mentioned there (even ignoring the 2 letter version)
19:44 hzilla is there?
19:45 hzilla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains
19:45 hzilla few more i guess
19:45 hzilla but yeh
19:46 sth And the internationalised TLDs
19:47 hzilla wouldn't u need some unicode validator for that?
19:47 sth probably
19:47 sth They get converted to: xn-<something> too
19:47 hzilla so are u saying .* ?
20:17 Jarda hmm.. any reason you can't run tests with "phpunit"
20:17 Jarda why do I need to call the run-tests.php
20:18 Jarda now I can't run a single test easily
20:22 Jarda oh, it's because of the environment mangling..
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20:37 Jarda but still
20:37 Jarda there should be a way to run a single test easily
20:37 Jarda sth: summon felix here :)
20:39 sth Felix isn't here any more
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21:14 Jarda how about wombert then?
21:14 Jarda I need him also :D
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22:10 MikeSeth what did you break?
22:29 _cheerios how to record a stream of audio/video on a mac?
22:31 luke` _cheerios: either or both?
22:31 _cheerios one would be a good start, basically there'll be a tv-broadcasta and later a radio-broadcast.
22:32 luke` _cheerios: try audacity or wiretap for audio
22:32 _cheerios they'll be played live on a website, and (maybe) stored for later viewing.
22:32 luke` I have no clue about video recording
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23:12 Jarda hmm anyone awake?
23:12 Jarda if I'm using namespaces
23:12 Jarda do I have to use things like $dateTime = new \DateTime(); ?
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23:46 graste I think so
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00:01 Jarda yup I have to
00:01 Jarda or declare use \DateTime
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02:22 luke` what is the quick way to set an error in teh validation manager? ->getValidationManager()->setError(...) is deprecated I see.
02:25 hzilla http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_14
02:28 luke` hzilla: looks like methods to retrieve the errors
02:31 luke` but how do I set an incident?
02:31 hzilla setReport perhaps
02:32 hzilla i'm still using setError
02:32 hzilla perhaps something in the bloggie tutorial
02:36 luke` even the sample app has the deprecated ->setError(...) http://trac.agavi.org/browser/trunk/samples/app/modules/Default/views/LoginError​View.class.php#L27
02:36 luke` hzilla: what bloggie tutorial?
02:37 hzilla yeh i meant sample app
02:41 hzilla check the addIncident method
02:47 hzilla i'll mention to graste that we need an example in the FAQ though
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05:14 Jarda luke` & hzilla: setError which is marked as deprecated uses addIncident internaly, which isn't marked as deprecated
05:15 Jarda so I guess it's safe to use the addIncident method.
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07:58 jeeez how do i get an overview of an agavi project? as in, list of action, models and stuff
08:27 v-dogg explorer.exe :)
08:27 v-dogg or the project navigator of your favourite IDE/editor
08:49 simoncpu yeah i had the same problem too
08:49 simoncpu jeeez: there's a phpdoc in the site somewhere
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09:18 _cheerios It's Soita Mummolle day!
09:18 _cheerios (call your grandma)
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09:34 Jarda I called already yesterday
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10:14 _cheerios http://www.hs.fi/kulttuuri/artikkeli/P%C3%A4iv%C3%A4n+menot%C3%A4rppi+Flow-festi​vaalin+aloituskonsertti+Suvilahdessa/1135259233369
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10:14 _cheerios listed as main thing of the day to do next to listening to Chemical Brothers, woot :)
10:49 ttj _cheerios: Up for lunching?
10:50 _cheerios lunching with gf today
10:50 ttj Fair 'nuff.
10:51 simoncpu _cheerios: you are clear for take off
10:54 _cheerios ttj: or, apparently not -- she's too busy due the soita mummolle thing after all. what do you feel like eating?
10:54 ttj Food. Hangover.
10:55 ttj :P
10:55 sth girl :D
10:56 ttj Something greasy might be good.
10:57 _cheerios sounds like thai
10:57 ttj Friend was talking about some general Asian restaurant yesterday, which also has a sushi buffet
10:58 ttj Now if I could only remember what it was. Supposedly they also had thai stuff there...
10:59 ttj What about Tamarin?
11:00 _cheerios tamarin was.. in beginning of bulevardi?
11:00 _cheerios ah, no, yeah, that's fine.
11:00 _cheerios they have a good buffee usually
11:01 ttj Yeah. How about meeting there in ~45 minutes?
11:01 ttj Still need to drag myself out of bed and into the shower. :P
11:01 _cheerios you're on
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14:18 jeeez is it possible to have authentication mechanism as described in the tutorial without actually implementing the new user class?
14:23 jeeez i'll check out the logs tomorrow, do answer.
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14:30 Jarda jeeez: no it's not
14:30 Jarda you have to implement an user class
14:31 v-dogg no you don't
14:32 sth No you don't
14:32 sth you can just use AgaviUser
14:32 v-dogg $myUserModel = $this->getContext()->getModel('Users'); if ($myUsersModel->authenticate($data)) { $this->getContext()->getUser()->setAuthenticated(true) ...
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14:40 v-dogg _cheerios: ping
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14:41 _cheerios sup?
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17:01 hzilla hello. i'm wondering how to add an expiry date/time to a credential using the standard agavi user classes? is that possible?
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17:09 hzilla this would be a most desirable development of agavi
17:19 Wombert eh
17:19 Wombert what?
17:19 hzilla so credential has an expiry
17:19 hzilla or null
17:20 hzilla otherwise a subscription may expire but a session is still actibe
17:20 hzilla yet credential still applies
17:26 saracen a subscription?
17:28 hzilla yeh say for example u want to offer a subscription system for users to access site areas, at some point a subscription would expire, but you don't want to ahve to mess about checking expiry dates in every action so integration an optional expiry date to a credential would be great
17:29 hzilla expiry timestamp that is
17:29 hzilla it helps integrate subscription management into the core framework
17:32 hzilla i think this is quite an important feature to have
17:33 luke` Thats a good idea, but I don't think it belongs in the core
17:33 saracen Why would you have to check for it in every action?
17:33 saracen Why not just remove the credential?
17:35 hzilla in every action u maybe using getCredentials() so this would return the credential until the session expires
17:35 hzilla if you remove the credfential means u have to check the user class yourself for expired credentials
17:35 saracen Why not just do this? http://pastebin.com/53eGbL5F
17:36 hzilla yeh could do but i think its a nice feature to build into the core
17:36 saracen But I just did it in 9 lines of code
17:37 hzilla yes taht works for a single credential, and is a valid extension. i think its nice to have a credential expiry built into the core
17:38 hzilla it won't break anything and it useful
17:38 v-dogg umm?
17:38 hzilla whats so odd about that?!
17:39 v-dogg credentials are anyway valid only during a session and you must reload them when the session is started/recreated (you can't keep a session alive forever)
17:39 v-dogg and that's the place to do this kind of checking
17:39 hzilla yeh i know, what if you have short durations or long sessions?
17:40 v-dogg and no, it most definitively is not something that a framework core should do
17:40 hzilla disagree sorry
17:40 hzilla an optional expiry timestamp with a credential is perfectly reasonable
17:41 v-dogg disagree, sorry
17:41 v-dogg such a special need that you should implement it your self (using expiration rules of your specific application)
17:42 saracen http://pastebin.com/5E9iEPSz :D
17:42 hzilla credentials = access control. time is simply a dimension of that. of course agavi doesnt provide that so i will write it myself but i'm suggesting that this is a valid dimension to access control
17:43 saracen The RBAC is intended to be dead simple, because theres so many dimensions to it
17:43 saracen All that are very valid given any project, but its so simple to add your own anyway
17:44 hzilla i'm not suggesting the RBAC changes, i'm saying that for additional custom credentials we could allow an optional expiry
17:45 hzilla eg addCredential($role, $expiry)
17:45 hzilla take a pay-per-view system for example
17:46 saracen Anyway, this has gone south :)
17:47 hzilla saracen: your example will work but i think it would be nice for the framework to provide this. of course up to devs to consider further. leave it at that i guess
17:47 impl we're going to have slick integration with Zend_Acl soon anyway
17:48 impl and I'm sure it has something to make doing what you want easier because it is Zend after all
17:48 saracen impl: BS
17:49 saracen As far as I know, RBAC will still exist. The difference will be RBAC protects actions, just as it always has, but ACL protects resources
17:51 impl all I know is that the new SecurityFilter derivatives are going to hook into Zend_Acl so fu.
17:52 saracen I already know that, I was the first one that did it!
17:53 impl how does security filter not protect actions
17:53 impl you're retarded.
17:53 saracen I never said the security filter didn't. I said RBAC did
17:53 impl okay.
17:53 impl so?
17:54 impl Wombert: tell saracen he's wrong for me, as I have important SQL views to edit
17:54 saracen So. The security filter will probably including RBAC + ACL.
17:54 saracen include*
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17:54 saracen impl: Yeah, well
17:54 saracen TOASTER.
17:54 saracen and something about shoe laces
17:54 impl INTERIOR CROCODILE ALLIGATOR
17:55 impl I DRIVE A CHEVROLET MOVIE THEATER
17:55 saracen I said that the otherday while drunk, I got blank stares. Then I proceeded to warm them all they'll hear it eventually, as if it was doom
17:55 saracen warn*
17:56 impl nice.
17:56 impl you're always classy.
17:56 saracen Yeah, I certainly was. I also got knocked to the flaw when I was play fighting with some guy, and a girl offered me a pillow while I was down there. How bad must I have looked
17:56 saracen floor*
17:56 saracen zomg
17:56 saracen I'm getting dumber
17:58 sth Is that possible?
17:58 Wombert [17:41] v-dogg: such a special need that you should implement it your self (using expiration rules of your specific application)
17:58 Wombert +1
17:59 Wombert what hzilla is trying to achieve is outside the scope of a framework
17:59 saracen Just like FPF is
17:59 saracen oh wai-
17:59 Wombert and +1 to saracen's solution, that's neat enough
17:59 Wombert saracen: no, because every app needs form handling
18:00 impl just like every app needs an HTML tag library
18:00 impl but noooooooo
18:00 impl no helpers
18:00 impl helpers are evil, but FPF is good
18:00 impl ?_?
18:00 Wombert screw you :(
18:00 Wombert if you were being sarcastic, that is
18:01 impl oh I was.
18:01 impl :D
18:01 Wombert every app needs form handling. we chose one approach to do it
18:02 saracen What? And you're telling me that every application doesn't need credentials that expire? What have you been doing?!
18:02 saracen Wait, just realised I'm trolling
18:02 saracen ignore me
18:03 hzilla Wombert: my goal is access control via the framework. Credentials provide that but without a time dimension. adding a time dimension offers finer access control. Its easy enough to work around but thought the framework could offer this quite easily. that's all really
18:09 v-dogg there are many features a framework can easily offer but which it still shouldn't
18:10 v-dogg many frameworks a bloated with such features
18:11 hzilla i don't usually disagree with you guys but this is all about completeness of security features
18:12 hzilla anwyay i think we are clear on the pros/cons so i guess we can leave it at that
18:12 hzilla don't want to take up ppls time on this
18:48 saracen INTERIOR CROCODILE ALLIGATOR
18:51 sth KANGAROO!
18:53 saracen you ruined it
18:54 sth GOLDFISH!
18:56 macen saracen: Wait, just realised I'm trolling<--lol
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20:20 Jarda saracen: suntax error :(
20:22 Jarda oh and my scroll was way up..
20:27 Jarda Wombert: what's up?
20:28 Wombert nothing
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20:29 Jarda ok. When do have time for ADT development discussion?
20:29 Jarda +you
20:30 Wombert not now I'm afraid
20:30 Wombert weekend maybe
20:30 Jarda mmkay
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01:09 hzilla lo, when trying to use FPF with a GET on a form page and manually forcing the FPF to populate the form, it doesn't seem to set the select box to the appropriate value. it works fine with the usual POST. Is there something i'm missing re: select?
01:20 hzilla ah my bad - works fine
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07:20 jeeez where can i find details on validation in Agavi?
07:21 Jarda what kind of details do you need?
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07:22 Jarda there's a lot of information in the faq http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_0
07:23 jeeez a detailed doc would be nice, i'm designing a site with about a dozen fields in the registration page
07:25 Jarda oh you mean what validators there are and what parameters do they accept?
07:26 jeeez yes!
07:27 Jarda well I suggest taking a look at apidocs. In the package "validator" you find all the validators and their description gives the parameters
07:27 Jarda http://www.agavi.org/apidocs/
07:29 jeeez thanks
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07:54 jeeez how do I use validation to make sure two fields in a form are equal?
07:58 v-dogg jeeez: http://pastebin.com/65r7waYR
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07:59 v-dogg you can ignore the depends attribute. it's not relevant here
08:00 jeeez got it
08:01 jeeez so i can have one validator to make sure the password field is long enough, and then this one to make sure it matches with confirm_pwd right?
08:02 v-dogg yes
08:02 v-dogg let me paste the rest of that file... :)
08:03 v-dogg http://pastebin.com/F8mirZvy
08:05 v-dogg password validators are only executed if user checks "[ ] change password" (that's what the provides-depends attributes are for)
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09:04 _cheerios huomenta
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09:18 _cheerios tried iphone4 yesterday too; the smaller form factor was easier on the hand, plus it's smoother than android 2.1; good phone too, couldn't do a death grip on it by touching the antenna seam
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09:31 _cheerios i do wonder which is better in the end, the side-swipe of iphone or androids back-button.
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10:01 _cheerios v-dogg: is kahvilasi.com yours?
10:06 v-dogg yup
10:14 Jarda _cheerios: where did you find it?
10:27 _cheerios v-dogg is advertising it on twitter
10:28 sth _cheerios: the death grip is only a problem in the US
10:37 _cheerios sth: unlikely. i couldnt replicate but on forums others have with ease.
10:41 sth _cheerios: It happens, but not to the same level
10:41 sth Since most of europe has high signal density
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11:24 jeeez http://pastebin.com/AJdy8BCt i'm trying to adapt this to Agavi, but i'm not sure where to call exec() on the database. any leads?
11:27 saracen jeeez: Have you setup databases.xml?
11:30 saracen Well, anyway. That would be the start. If you want to access the dbh: $dbh = $this->getContext()->getDatabaseManager()->getDatabase()->getConnection()->getDb​h();
11:30 saracen http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/step5/the-database-manager.html
11:30 saracen Gives you a quick run down of how to setup and then query
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11:31 saracen ALL THOSE KEY STROKES
11:31 saracen FOR NOTHING
11:31 sth Only a convieniant 6 objects to go through!
11:31 sth convenient8
11:31 saracen sth: You can do it in once less, but I can't remember how
11:31 sth ffsfdaslkdfhasf I can't type
11:31 saracen It's like context->getCurrentConnection or something
11:32 sth saracen: using the $this->getYourMomma() :D
11:32 sth Or do_stuff();
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11:35 Wombert [11:30] saracen: Well, anyway. That would be the start. If you want to access the dbh: $dbh = $this->getContext()->getDatabaseManager()->getDatabase()->getConnection()->getDb​h();
11:35 Wombert nonsense
11:35 Wombert for AgaviPDODatabase, the connection is the connection
11:35 Wombert dunno what the hell getDbh() even is
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11:35 Wombert $pdo = $this->getContext()->getDatabaseConnection();
11:35 sth saracen: way to ruin agavi!
11:35 Wombert that's all you need
11:36 sth I need new headphones
11:36 Wombert and yes, jeeez, you simply need to define the database connection in databases.xml and then retrieve it with the line above
11:36 saracen I havent used pdo since the war, well, without some form of additional abstraction infront of it
11:36 jeeez Wombert: yeah, databases.xml is set
11:37 Wombert well then
11:37 Wombert $pdo = $this->getContext()->getDatabaseConnection();
11:37 saracen sth: Sorry for ruining agavi. Don't I feel like an idiot :(
11:37 sth Wombert: were these the headphones the guy you stayed with in London had: http://www.amazon.de/dp/B0016MNAAI/ ?
11:38 Wombert I think it was the 770s, yes
11:38 Wombert he had the 250Ohms
11:38 sth There's 3 versions
11:38 Wombert with a little pre-amp
11:38 sth I'm trying to avoid the need for an amp
11:38 Wombert then you need to get the 80 Ohm version
11:38 Wombert the sound is not *that* much different
11:38 Wombert I liked them a lot
11:38 sth So I guess the 80Ohm should do
11:39 Wombert he said the 80Ohm sounded different, but I don't remember in what way exactly
11:39 Wombert yes, they should be
11:39 Wombert let me know if they are good, because I was considering buying them too
11:39 Wombert in fact
11:39 sth all the reviews claim the 80? sounded smoother
11:39 Wombert janl has them too
11:39 Wombert I believe
11:39 sth Yeah
11:39 Wombert if you want to try them first
11:39 sth He's in M?nster for the week though
11:39 Wombert mh
11:40 saracen impl: Can you buy me something from the US then send it to me? If you gift it and don't put a price on, I can avoid paying VAT :D
11:40 sth Wombert: I caught up with him at the Apache Dinner last week
12:02 _cheerios battery lasting a lot better today on samsung; changed twidroyd to update only hourly, could've been that.
12:02 _cheerios (15mins before)
12:03 _cheerios 4hrs of usage battery down 12%, before i'd probably be down to 40% by now
12:04 sth You probably have an app that doesn't allow the phone to sleep
12:07 _cheerios i did disable netcounter, that was monitoring bandwidth-usage
12:08 sth That was probably it...
12:08 sth Also, Twitter for Android is probably the best client for Twitter
12:08 _cheerios i tried it briefly yesterday, but was annoyed that it wasn't that configurable
12:08 sth configurable in what way?
12:08 _cheerios it always gave the "start" screen with the buttons, i'd want the tweets
12:08 sth It remembers the last state
12:09 sth So if you leave it on tweets, it'll open on tweets
12:09 _cheerios also i had to click very carefully at the links in the tweets; in twidroyd i click the tweet, and it lists the urls, hashtags etc
12:11 _cheerios twitter's one did seem a bit snappier though, twidroyd is a bit sluggish when new tweets come in
12:13 _cheerios made me a bit puzzled on how to have 2 twitter client installed, and how to have the other one only active, when you can't kill apps in AndroidOS :p
12:14 sth I have a task manager installed :)
12:15 Jarda appsweep
12:15 v-dogg asssweep
12:20 sth I'm going to buy an iPhone when I return to the UK next
13:26 MikeSeth no you aren't
13:35 v-dogg listen to the jew, he knows his shit
14:02 sth :(
14:15 saracen sth: Can I have your android when you go gay?
14:15 saracen when you get an iphone*
14:16 sth Do you want to buy it?
14:16 saracen Do I look like I'm not poor?
14:16 sth yes
14:16 saracen lies
14:17 saracen Why have you added me on MSN?
14:17 saracen I thought we hated you?
14:17 saracen Or is that just me.
14:18 sth So, now do you see why? :D
14:18 saracen Yes :(
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14:26 Jarda "we hated you"
14:26 Jarda some kind of a gollum syndrome?
14:27 sth lol
14:27 sth I think he was trying to encompass the entire channel in his hate for me
14:31 saracen No, no the entire channel, just you and I
14:31 saracen I assumed that you have to live with yourself more than I do. And if I hate you, I can't see how you cannot
14:32 saracen not the*
14:32 sth I'd say I hate you more than anyone else in the world
14:33 Jarda sth: how about her mother? She has to live with the fact she's the reason why he exists? :)
14:33 Jarda s/her/his/
14:33 saracen her*
14:33 saracen I can be anything for you, sweetie.
14:33 Jarda pics or it didn't happen
14:34 saracen fetches his hacksaw and camera
14:35 sth Jarda: I can only assume saracen's mum comitted suicide shortly after birth
14:35 sth Or abondoned him
14:36 sth committed*
14:37 saracen What a morbid sense of.
14:38 sth saracen: I'm English, of course it's morbid
14:40 Jarda oh my god, I'm finally starting to get into this javascript-thing.
14:40 sth What's there to get?
14:41 Jarda well I can write jquery selectors without checking the docs all the time :D
14:41 sth pro tip with jQuery: use subselections, it's massively faster
14:41 Jarda subselections?
14:42 Jarda like $('#something').find('somethingelse') ?
14:42 sth yeah
14:43 sth It's amazingly quicker
14:43 Jarda I can see why.
14:43 Jarda but does it have browser specific differences?
14:43 Jarda I mean, seems chrome is amazingly fast with it's js dom handling
14:44 Jarda why on earth is my written english this bad again
14:44 sth Jarda: It'll make for a big increase in IE and Firefox
14:45 Jarda mmkay
14:45 sth Also be more specific with your selectors
14:45 sth instead of just #foo
14:45 sth add the HTML tag type
14:45 Jarda input#foo?
14:45 sth yup
14:45 Jarda yup
14:46 sth There's actually a good video by Paul Irish about this stuff
14:46 Jarda it's kinda funny. I always thought the id's would be indexed somewhere
14:46 Jarda as they are supposed to be unique
14:46 sth Nope
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14:46 Jarda I can see that searching by class is heavy, especially if you don't specify the element type
14:46 sth Because whilst they're meant to be unique, some idiots use them twice
14:47 sth Jarda: http://paulirish.com/2010/10-things-i-learned-from-the-jquery-source/
14:47 Jarda as you pretty much have to traverse the whole dom
14:48 sth yup
14:48 Jarda hnmm.. maybe I'll watch that tomorrow at work when it's friday and I can't get anything done
14:49 sth heh
14:49 sth It's a really good video
14:49 Wombert [14:45] sth: instead of just #foo
14:49 Wombert [14:45] sth: add the HTML tag type
14:49 Wombert that shouldn't be faster
14:49 Wombert unless
14:49 Wombert hm
14:49 sth It is
14:50 sth Well. according to Paul Irish
14:50 Wombert jquery should/could optimize that to getElementById()
14:50 Wombert which should simply be a hash table lookup in the browser DOM
14:51 sth It probably does
14:51 sth but classes it's good to use tag.class
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14:56 MikeSeth so
14:56 MikeSeth 2010 and still no working xpath implementation in the browser?
14:56 Wombert MikeSeth: some do have that, I think
14:56 Wombert but HTML is so bloody fucked...
14:57 Wombert god damnit HTML makes me angry
14:57 Wombert especially HTML5
14:57 MikeSeth HTML to SGML is what altar boys are to catholic priests
14:57 Wombert MikeSeth: also, document.getElementsBySelector() is now in most browsers
14:57 MikeSeth looks innocent but covers up rape
14:57 Jarda why did they make html5?
14:57 Wombert MikeSeth: HTML5 is *not* SGML anymore!
14:57 Jarda WHY?
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14:57 Wombert it doesn't have the weird ass SGML parsing quirks anymoire
14:58 Wombert but when you do that
14:58 Wombert I wonder
14:59 Wombert why not just use XML?
14:59 Wombert can you imagine how fucked up HTML parsers are?
14:59 Wombert where you don't have to close a <p> tag?
14:59 Wombert and you need to backtrack all the time and move stuff around in the document tree?
15:00 Jarda I can imagine.
15:00 Wombert in XML, you see a <p>, and you know that everything that follows after it that is not a </p> is a child of this element
15:00 v-dogg I don't want to imagine.
15:00 Wombert super easy parsing
15:00 horros But it's so complicated to have to actually match tags!
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15:01 Jarda but the kinda good news (might be) that, html5 allows closing your tags :D
15:01 Jarda so you can make valid xml without html5 parsers complaining
15:01 Wombert well, the one reason why XHTML served as application/xhtml+xml is problematic is that it switches browsers to XML parsing mode
15:01 Wombert well-formedness errors are fatal
15:01 Wombert and with user generated content, that might be an issue sometimes
15:01 Jarda Wombert: and IE is also a big problem
15:02 Jarda at least some version just prompted the user to download the file :)=
15:02 Jarda "I don't know what to do with this, help!"
15:03 Wombert yeah, but that's no big deal
15:03 Wombert also, I think that with all the features HTML5 has
15:03 Wombert there would be so much pressure on HTML noobs to just fucking sit down and learn to write well-formed XML
15:03 Wombert that people would adapt *very* quickly
15:03 Wombert btw, this is valid SGML: <em/foo/
15:03 Wombert same as <em>foo</em>
15:03 Wombert fucked up, no?
15:04 Wombert also, if you have a sufficiently bad DTD, you can even do some hacks like
15:04 Wombert <items>
15:04 Wombert item2
15:04 Wombert item2
15:04 Wombert </items>
15:04 Wombert and it parses as
15:04 Wombert <items>
15:04 Wombert <item>item2</item>
15:04 Wombert <item>item3</item>
15:04 Wombert </items>
15:05 Jarda btw
15:06 Jarda is it too ugly to do in templates something like <script type="text/javascript">var mySomething = <?php echo json_encode($t['myArray']);?>;</script>
15:06 Wombert nah, that's fine IMO
15:06 Jarda I don't feel like making ajax calls to assign the variables
15:08 Wombert I don't see a problem there
15:08 Wombert you could even use response attributes if you're running 1.1
15:08 Wombert and then output the vars in <head>
15:08 Jarda I start running 1.1 when you branch it :)
15:08 Wombert :p
15:10 Jarda we are doing a major upgrade to our app just now. 1.1 might fit in the schedule if a semi-stable release will be out in semptember :)
15:22 Wombert Jarda: first alpha/beta was planned for September
15:22 Wombert we'll see
15:22 Jarda mmkay
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15:43 impl saracen: I already sent you an elePHPant
15:43 impl didn't I?
15:46 v-dogg I never got mine... me so sad... :(((
15:50 sth WHERE'S MINE?!
15:51 impl I'm trying to acquire more so I can send out more
15:51 sth Have you seen the new style ones?
15:52 impl there are new ones?
15:52 impl link
15:52 sth 1 sec
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15:58 sth impl: http://twitpic.com/2797h6
15:59 _cheerios looks more plastic-y
15:59 impl sth: those don't look cute and cuddly anymore
16:01 v-dogg wat wat wat, that's not good
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16:03 sth pretty awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8
16:04 _cheerios sth: dude, autotune remix of bed intruder is teh awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw
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16:05 sth I know
16:08 saracen 14:41:21 < impl> saracen: I already sent you an elePHPant
16:08 saracen Yeah, i bought two from you
16:09 saracen My neice found one and assumed it was hers and took it home
16:11 _cheerios sth: good vid
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16:21 Wombert sth: yup, listening to the same thing
16:23 Wombert I am the man that arranges the tanks
16:23 Wombert lawl
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16:31 saracen Awww, Agavi's case is screwing me over
16:32 saracen Having a class loader for modules, to access models on it: modules\Module\model\Model()
16:32 saracen namespace class loader*
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16:54 sth Wombert: seen peep open?
17:01 Wombert sth: no
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17:04 movvy oi
17:10 sth Wombert: essentially, it replaces cmd+t in textmate (works in other editors too)
17:10 sth but it allows for path searching
17:10 Wombert interesting
17:10 Wombert sth: http://github.com/protocool/AckMate
17:10 sth It's worth the $9 since I have no idea when textmate 2 will be out
17:10 sth AckMate is buggy
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17:10 sth It stopped working for me
17:11 Wombert nine bucks?
17:11 Wombert the fuck
17:11 sth Do you just want my DMG? :)
17:11 Wombert nah
17:11 sth It comes with the source code too
17:11 sth I altered a few things
17:12 Wombert I'll give it a shot sometime
17:12 sth peepopen.com
17:13 sth AckMate was cool for a while, but it broke
17:13 sth I might alter AckMate's UI
17:14 sth I dislike it
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18:27 _cheerios ipod touch from jurica arrived \o/
18:27 sth yay
18:27 sth did he leave any apps on it?
18:28 _cheerios havent activated via itunes yet; i guess that means no
18:28 sth I guess
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18:36 sth "How many SEO experts does it take to change a light bulb, lightbulb, light, bulb, lamp, lighting, switch?"
18:43 v-dogg :D
18:43 _cheerios heh
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19:07 horros "Hell hath no fury like a geek who's been mildly inconvenienced." :D
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20:34 movvy lol
20:34 _cheerios cool beans, access to appstore and android market.
20:34 movvy horros thats funny
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21:24 _cheerios safari works a bit funkily in ipod touch, need to accomodate for its behaviour (zooming in on textareas)
21:25 _cheerios is there a way to disable the zoom on clicking a textarea from happening?
21:26 _cheerios (with some html/js preferably)
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08:31 jeeez i have a form in my site. all goes well if i fill the form correctly, but if there's a mistake, it goes into AgaviParseException. any leads on why this might happen?
08:33 v-dogg your page contains broken xml
08:35 v-dogg validate the page or enable logging to let FPF (FormPopulationFilter) log the invalid xml is tries to parse
08:35 jeeez my page as in the form template or validate.xml?
08:36 v-dogg the complete html page
08:36 v-dogg as seen when you look at it in browser
08:37 jeeez got it, let me try validating it
08:50 jeeez v-dogg: you're awesome. thanks!
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09:06 Jarda if I have a hidden input field after a normal input field with the same name, the hidden field overrides the visible, right?
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09:17 _cheerios mmmm.. Oracle sued Google over Java-code in Android?
09:19 _cheerios http://gigaom.com/2010/08/12/everyone-hates-google-oracle-sues-search-firm-over-​android-code/
09:22 _cheerios Jarda: yep, normal form-rules.
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09:50 Jarda _cheerios: ok, great!
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12:32 Jarda http://www.collegehumor.com/article:1802364
12:33 v-dogg no titties :(
12:33 v-dogg not suitable for friday afternoon
12:47 macen that is epic
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17:37 Wombert hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh
17:37 Wombert nudges v-dogg
17:37 v-dogg wootwoot
17:38 v-dogg it wasn't my fault!
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17:38 Wombert v-dogg: pondering how to fix those debug mode race conditions
17:38 Wombert with config caches etc
17:38 Wombert if we did
17:38 Wombert if(AgaviConfig::get('core.debug') || self::isModified($filename, $cache)) {
17:38 Wombert and dropped the code that flushes app/cache/...
17:38 Wombert but then, content caches and compiled smarty templates and god knows what else people have wouldn't get removed
17:38 Wombert hmhm
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17:41 v-dogg are you expecting me to say something?-)
17:44 movvy hmm
17:44 movvy somehow hzilla turned off the thml displays on my agavi
17:44 movvy so it only writes to log files
17:45 movvy not nearly as fun
17:45 v-dogg the whatnow displays?
17:46 v-dogg error page?
17:46 movvy internal 500 error
17:47 movvy I am writing code for the first time after all the work hes helped do on my app
17:47 Wombert movvy: not an Agavi setting
17:47 movvy Wombert: got it
17:47 Wombert your PHP probably has display_errors disabled
17:48 Wombert is that it?
17:48 v-dogg or someone just changed the exception template
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17:51 Wombert or movvy is bootstrapping "production" in index.php
17:52 movvy this is def a production setting
17:52 movvy im sure of that
17:52 movvy is that error page disabled on production?
17:53 saracen_ yes
17:54 saracen_ Although I've only read 3 lines of what you've been saying. But, yes.
17:54 v-dogg well, not "disabled", there's a different exception template for prod and dev environments
17:55 v-dogg it's recommended that you design your own for production
17:55 v-dogg something a little more user-friendly than "Error."
17:57 movvy I understand that :)
17:58 movvy This will be our production environment and this box is actually the production one
17:58 movvy I'm having rewrite problems in windows apache
17:58 movvy so I haven't been able to get dev working fully ;<
17:58 v-dogg what problems?
17:58 movvy working on windows is just ridiculous
17:58 v-dogg I do 100% of my dev on windows and have not problems
17:59 v-dogg no*
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17:59 movvy http://192.168.1.199:8080/OperationPortal/pub/index.php
17:59 movvy i just always have to specify index.php
18:00 movvy in the path
18:00 movvy so paths without it are busted
18:00 saracen_ enabled mod_rewrite?
18:00 v-dogg fix your settings, don't blame windows :)
18:00 saracen_ movvy: Also, while in that mode, paths shouldnt be created without it. Are you using routing->gen() to generate your urls?
18:00 movvy i didnt say it was windows i was having problems getting it working
18:01 movvy saracen yes, the ones that are broken are ones that are not dynamically created in javascript
18:01 movvy but your correct all php linking is fine
18:01 movvy :)
18:02 movvy mod rewrite is enabled
18:02 movvy so im guessing maybes its some rewrite file
18:03 movvy it needs config right/'
18:09 movvy sigh
18:11 Wombert yes, you need to adjust the rewrite
18:11 Wombert is there a .htaccess?
18:11 Wombert does it have /OperationPortal/pub/ in it?
18:11 Wombert you should eventually make this your document root, by the way
18:11 Wombert otherwise, you'll always have pub/ in there
18:12 Wombert or is that intentional?=
18:12 movvy right now its intentional on this dev machine
18:12 Wombert k
18:12 movvy the .htaccess should be in pub right?
18:12 Wombert yes
18:12 Wombert just to make sure
18:12 Wombert index.php is *not* in your version control system, right?
18:13 movvy nope
18:13 sth I dislike Amazon DE, the one time I order with them instead of Amazon UK they decide not to deliver my package when I asked them to. :
18:13 Wombert the idea is that you generate index.php at deploy time
18:13 movvy hzilla set all this up, he taught me all this
18:13 Wombert using "agavi public-create" or so (can be fully automated)
18:13 Wombert k
18:13 movvy its def just rewrite rules on my machine
18:13 movvy i have the exact same rewrite rules on my windows aching as on my linux box
18:14 Wombert well, http://pastie.org/ and show us the .htaccess
18:14 movvy my .htaccess in pub looks identical
18:14 Wombert are you even running Apache there? or is it maybe IIS or something?
18:14 movvy http://www.pastie.org/1090665
18:14 movvy it is apache
18:14 Wombert your RewriteBase is wrong
18:14 Wombert RewriteBase /OperationPortal/pub/
18:15 Wombert also, make sure rewrite_module is enabled
18:15 Wombert and that AllowOverride is set properly for that directory in the apache configs
18:15 movvy I did that already the mod
18:15 movvy I checked that as well
18:15 movvy let me test
18:15 Wombert does the dir have AllowOverride All?
18:15 Wombert are you sure there are no other configs that override this setting?
18:15 movvy YES
18:15 Wombert happened to a client here just an hour ago
18:15 movvy it works :)
18:16 Wombert what was it?
18:16 movvy RewriteBase
18:16 movvy and AllowOveride on /
18:16 movvy combo
18:16 Wombert <3
18:16 movvy thanks dude, i really appreciate it
18:18 movvy now I just gotta work through all this doctrine stuff
18:19 movvy it looks much simpler then all the work i was doing manually to do database stuff
18:19 movvy but my error now works in my dev env
18:19 movvy in windows and i am happy
18:19 Wombert sweet
18:20 Wombert yes, the environments etc make deployment and all these things so, so much easier
18:20 Wombert especially if you work in larger teams, no more overwriting of database configs etc
18:20 movvy totally i understand the concept very well, after hzilla making me learn it all
18:20 saracen_ Wombert: Is there a way to remove the doc comments when generating actions/views etc?
18:20 saracen_ To save me from then having to delete them each time
18:20 Wombert or if you're behind a load balancer in production
18:20 Wombert just make a new section in factories.xml
18:20 Wombert <request class="AgaviWebRequest">
18:20 Wombert <ae:parameter name="sources">
18:20 Wombert <ae:parameter name="SERVER_NAME">HTTP_X_FORWARDED_HOST</ae:parameter>
18:20 Wombert boom, done
18:21 Wombert saracen_: yes
18:21 Wombert saracen_: just make your own code templates
18:21 Wombert saracen_: they can even be per-module
18:21 saracen_ I knew it would involve effort on my part
18:21 saracen_ I KNEW IT
18:22 saracen_ In the history of anybody ever using Agavi. Have they ever kept the *12* line comment above the methods in their actions?
18:22 Wombert saracen_: a lot of people have custom code templates
18:22 Wombert with their own coding style etc
18:22 Wombert it's not much work
18:23 Wombert it's a matter of dropping one file into one folder, and you're done
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19:48 Jarda I'm too lazy to use my own templates
19:48 Jarda I just use agavi defaults :)
19:49 Jarda well, at work we use the ones v-dogg made
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08:59 jeeez http://pastebin.com/B4vszp0D can someone help me with this?
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09:38 v-dogg jeeez: if you action doesn't have any execute method, input is not validated
09:38 v-dogg your*
09:40 v-dogg so just replece getDefaultViewName() with executeRead(AgaviRequestDataHolder $rd) in your action and you are golden
09:40 jeeez spot on. awesome.
09:40 v-dogg ->
10:00 jeeez v-dogg: something else wrong too. now it keeps going to 404
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10:30 Jarda I can't see the paste
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12:38 hzilla hey is it possible to generate a timezone list from locale?
12:38 hzilla ie for a user to set their preferred timezone from a list of defaults
12:39 hzilla getTimeZoneNames() returns only a selection for the currentLocale
12:43 hzilla or should i just knock one up statically?
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21:20 saracen jurica: so who was it you confused me for?
21:20 jurica cheerios ;)
21:20 jurica my brain is still in holiday mode ;)
21:20 saracen i suppose the names are similar :P
21:21 jurica they both contain an e and a s so they are for me!
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17:23 _cheerios playing Angry Birds on ipod touch all day :)
17:26 hzilla i discovered snes9x and clocked r-type 3
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18:23 Rayne r-type :A
18:24 Rayne do you guys have the uri to Wombert's "REST" rant?
18:24 Wombert what rant?
18:25 Rayne Wombert, your talk about REST
18:25 Wombert it's not a rant
18:25 Wombert http://www.slideshare.net/Wombert/phpjp-urls-rest
18:25 v-dogg haha "rant" :p
18:25 v-dogg NEIN NEIN NEIN DAS IST VERBOTEN!
18:26 v-dogg anything written all-caps can be qualified as a rant
18:26 Rayne thanks Wombert, i like the slides much
18:27 Wombert there are some mistakes in there though, Rayne
18:27 Wombert but no big ones
18:42 saracen looks like some rant about REST to me
18:52 Wombert saracen: eh?
18:52 Wombert saracen: I'm talking about REST
18:52 Wombert not ranting about it
18:53 sth I've been to the REST talk, it was a rant :x
18:53 sth Half way through it, he tried to rally an army to invade poland..
18:54 Wombert THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO
18:54 Wombert I CHANGED
18:54 Wombert PEOPLE CAN CHANGE
18:54 Wombert EVEN GERMANS
18:54 sth Liar, you're thinking about how many tanks you need right now, arent you?
18:55 v-dogg not many, I assume
18:56 v-dogg two for polacks, the french will surrender when you say "buu"
18:58 graste1 <:
18:58 sth mmm, he's been idle for too long. That could only mean one thing, he's rebadging lufthansa planes to say "luftwaffe"
19:09 saracen 17:40:54 < saracen> looks like some rant about REST to me
19:09 saracen 17:50:17 < Wombert> saracen: eh?
19:09 saracen 17:50:23 < Wombert> saracen: I'm talking about REST
19:09 saracen German: 0, England: 1
19:09 saracen +y
19:09 sth England: ?, Germany: 0
19:10 saracen I wouldn't go that far. England sucks
19:10 Wombert saracen: talk != rant
19:10 sth heh
19:10 Wombert I wasn't bashing it or anything
19:10 Wombert so
19:10 Wombert you are wrong
19:10 Wombert bai
19:10 sth Wombert: wait
19:10 Wombert sth: wat hapen?
19:10 sth Can we add a method to agavi to get current countries from the locale?
19:11 sth Instead of the list that include east Germany
19:11 Wombert sth: current countries?
19:11 Wombert heh
19:11 sth includes*
19:11 graste1 timezones, countries, you get teh point ^^
19:11 saracen sth: I'm sure your question gets asked everyday
19:11 Wombert it's in the CLDR data...
19:12 sth ordering the returned array alphabetically first would be nice too
19:12 Wombert sth: ...
19:12 sth just sayin'...
19:12 Wombert sth: unicode, heard of it?
19:12 sth :)
19:12 Wombert sth: then send me a patch
19:12 sth Human readable, heard of it? :D
19:13 Wombert is it just me or is everybody being a dick today
19:13 sth Well, we are.
19:13 graste1 <:
19:13 Wombert sth: it's utf-8 encoded data, so sorting it with php... meh
19:14 saracen Wombert: php5.3 it
19:14 saracen and forget about every other user
19:14 saracen It'd be nice if it could atleast do it if php5.3 is installed...
19:14 sth I guess, I'll just do the current country crap
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19:55 hzilla yo whats this about CDLR data? how do i populate a timezone dropdown list? at the moment i'm using some static php array
19:56 sth getTimeZoneNames from the locale
19:56 hzilla yeh that only returns the local country timezones it seems
19:56 hzilla for currentLocale
19:58 hzilla am i going to have to loop through the locales i spose
19:59 hzilla need a helper :p
20:02 v-dogg I don't think you need to loop thru anythin
20:04 v-dogg http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.2/src/translation/data/locales/en.xml#L11​36
20:04 v-dogg looks like a pretty comprehensive list to me
20:05 v-dogg so, unless agavi offers these for you, you can grab the list there
20:05 v-dogg ummm...wait
20:06 v-dogg no, sorry, I'm wrong. that's not he list
20:06 v-dogg the*
20:07 v-dogg oh fecking DateTime
20:07 v-dogg why the HELL isn't it serializable
20:08 sth There is a list..
20:08 hzilla $this->getContext()->getTranslationManager()->getCurrentLocale()->getTimeZoneNam​es() only returns 20 odd
20:09 sth There's like 400 or so in Agavi
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20:21 Jarda I hate dropdowns for timezone
20:21 Jarda they are all different and mostly you can't use the keyboard to find "Europe/Helsinki"
20:22 sth I think I'd just use a map or something
20:22 sth there's a few patterns worth trying
20:22 Jarda ideal would be a image with some serious javacript, so that you could just move your mouse over the image and it would hilight the zones
20:22 sth a map would be utter shite for accessability though
20:23 Wombert s/accessability/accessibility/
20:23 sth afk, off to read a dictionary
20:23 Jarda german learning a brit how to spell :D
20:23 sth s/learning/teaching/
20:24 Jarda hey, I'm from Finland, I'm excused already :)
20:24 Jarda I'm even from the eastern finland, where we couldn't go to school on winter time because of the wolves.
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20:25 sth pft
20:25 sth That's not an excuse
20:26 Jarda "I'm from Finland, what's your excuse?" :)
20:27 Jarda sth: do you know if wombert is going to keep a talk somewhere in Europe somewhere in the near future?
20:27 sth Probably
20:27 sth Pick a conference
20:28 sth If you can find a large PHP conf in .eu, there's a good chance he's applied to talk
20:28 Jarda v-dogg could send me to hear a speech :D
20:28 Jarda (listen?)
20:29 Jarda my english nowadays is even more crap than it used to be
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22:08 _cheerios swedish flag on a pig's tank in angry birds :p
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08:18 _cheerios brrr, felt like a normal finnish summer out there this morning
08:24 horros I went for a short jog at about 7am, it was quite enjoyable.
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09:01 simoncpu huomenta kevarit
09:04 v-dogg wasn't it keikari?
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09:10 simoncpu ahhh
09:10 simoncpu what's kevarit anyway?
09:10 simoncpu is confused
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09:31 horros simoncpu: A "kevari" is a light motorcycle (125cc) :)
09:38 simoncpu lol
09:39 simoncpu so my greetings translate to, "good day, motorcycle!"
09:39 simoncpu lol
09:40 horros Well, "Good morning, motorcycle" :)
09:40 horros +s
09:42 simoncpu ah...
09:42 simoncpu according to the logs, v-dogg told me that it's kaverit
09:42 simoncpu not kevarit
09:42 simoncpu kaverit == pal?
09:42 simoncpu :)
09:47 v-dogg but wasn't keikari some weirdo language you came up with?-)
09:48 simoncpu huomenta keikari! hahahahaha
09:54 Jarda stupid germans
09:54 Jarda I've been trying to buy 8G of ram to my mbp from ebay.de
09:54 Jarda I paid it in June and still no ram for me :(
09:55 Jarda 260 euros ://
09:55 jurica quite expensive...
09:56 jurica i ordered one 4gb module for 99EUR two weeks ago
09:57 Jarda jurica: 2x2?
09:57 jurica 1x4gb
09:57 Jarda oh
09:57 Jarda tha 260e I paid was cheapest at the time for 2x4 I found
10:06 jurica dsp-memory.de
10:06 jurica the online shop looks crappy but they're cheap and fast
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10:11 macen can't wait to get new imac
10:11 jurica did you order it already?
10:11 macen nop
10:11 Jarda jurica: well I'm not going to buy anything else before I get my memory or get my moneys back
10:11 jurica macen: which one do you paln to buy?
10:12 jurica Jarda: yup
10:18 macen jurica: iMac 27" core i5 with 256GB SSD
10:19 jurica nice
10:19 macen i got the contract with a nice payout to begin with so all is good
10:19 jurica istn there an ssd+hdd option for the 27" model?
10:20 macen mmh that'd be nice
10:20 jurica im not shure but i thought i saw it somewhere
10:23 _cheerios nice, SSDs for imac now? :jealous:
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10:57 Wombert sth: glad you like them
10:57 Wombert sth: I think I'll order them, too
10:57 Wombert sth: they're bulky though :< not good for travelling :S
11:00 sth you just put them in a case
11:00 sth or you leave them around your neck
11:00 sth It's what I plan on doing
11:01 jurica what are you talking about?
11:01 sth My new headphones
11:01 sth Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro
11:01 jurica ah
11:01 sth I wonder what they're like at full volume
11:02 sth I have them at about half at the minute
11:02 sth mmm, still awesome it appears
11:02 Wombert it's the 80 Ohms, right?
11:02 sth yup
11:02 sth they work with my phone too
11:03 Wombert well
11:03 Wombert obviously :p
11:03 sth I wasn't sure if I would need an amp
11:05 Wombert nah, 80 is well within the "normal" impedance range for headphones
11:05 Wombert the 250s work, too, they're just not very loud even at full volume unless you use an amp
11:05 sth Normal headphones for portable devices are about 32ohms for good headphones
11:05 Wombert "about 32" :p
11:06 sth Well, you might get 30ohms instead :)
11:06 sth like the apple in ear headphones are 23ohms
11:09 sth But it's nice only hearing my music instead of dull background noise
11:10 jeeez anyone tried using facebook api within agavi?
11:10 sth yes
11:10 sth We tried.
11:11 jeeez i'm trying to, with my half baked agavi knowledge :\
11:12 sth It wasn't difficult because of Agavi, it was difficult because FB's PHP lib is sucky
11:12 sth Also, don't use the iframe option, use FBML
11:13 jeeez will keep that in mind
11:13 Wombert iframes are a pain because of session cookies etc
11:13 Wombert (especially in Safari and probably Chrome)
11:13 horros Uhh, FB's API was complete and utter rubbish when I touched it about two years ago.
11:13 Wombert other than that, it's relatively simple... you need to make the facebook blah id your session id, and then you're set (when using FBML)
11:14 sth Or any other browser that ignores third party cookies
11:14 sth the fb graph apii looks good though
11:14 sth API*
11:14 jeeez graph api is nice
11:15 sth I quickly played with it
11:15 jeeez i'm trying to make a page that shows the Invite box to get ppl to see my site.
11:15 jeeez http://jeez.x10.mx/tee.php <-- my non-agavi implementation of it
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11:17 sth I always thought FB provided that dialog
11:17 jeeez yup, very simple code
11:17 jeeez just a tag :)
11:18 jeeez but i don't know Agavi enough, so have some questions on that
11:18 sth Such as?
11:18 jeeez i can just put the fbml code in the template, right?
11:19 sth Is FBML namespaced?
11:19 sth <fb:foo
11:19 sth appears so
11:19 jeeez yes
11:19 sth go nuts :)
11:19 sth Just add the namespace in the master template
11:20 Wombert what difference does it make whether or not you use Agavi
11:20 Wombert you just generate the FBML code instead of good old HTML...
11:28 jeeez i guess :\
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11:31 CIA-48 david * r4560 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/logging/AgaviLoggerMessage.class.php): Rename internal AgaviLoggerMessage parameters, closes #1302
11:32 WasabiCat huomenta
11:32 CIA-48 david * r4561 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/logging/AgaviPassthruLoggerLayout.class.php): Configuration options for AgaviPassthruLoggerLayout, closes #1303
11:33 CIA-48 david * r4562 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/logging/AgaviJsonLoggerLayout.class.php): AgaviJsonLoggerLayout, closes #1304
11:34 CIA-48 david * r4563 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/logging/AgaviScribeLoggerAppender.class.php): AgaviScribeLoggerAppender, closes #1305
11:38 Jarda Wombert: hi!
11:38 v-dogg what is this about fb and agavi?
11:38 Jarda Wombert: a question
11:38 v-dogg I had no problems with it during my 5 second test the other day
11:39 Jarda Wombert: if I have /users which lists all the users. I want to have only 20 listed and paginated for html output but want to show all of them in json
11:39 Jarda how to accomplish without much overhead
11:41 sth I'd add limit and offset as parameters on the request
11:42 v-dogg it would need some defaults for the html
11:44 v-dogg and I believe that's the actual question here - what's the proper way to have default values for parameters depending on the output type
11:47 sth well, in the executeJson method, one could assume if neither parameter is set, offset is 0 and limit is 20 (or some other number)
11:48 v-dogg but the logic happens before executeJson, in da action
11:48 sth returning all of the users if offset and limit are null could be awkward since it could be 1m users
11:48 sth /users would imply it's just returning users
11:49 sth which imo should happen in the view
11:49 Jarda that fights the base idea of reusing models and actions
11:50 sth You would be reusing the model and action.
11:50 Jarda in action: $this->setAttribute('users', $myUsersModel->getUsers(..));
11:50 Jarda in html view maybe some formatting for the data
11:50 Jarda in json return json_encode($this->getAttribute('users'));
11:51 sth that's what I'd do, but I'd do both in the view
11:51 Jarda I never do data fetching in the view
11:51 Jarda if it's not especially for the templates
11:52 Jarda and I was of course aware that I could fetch the users differently in different views
11:52 Jarda I just wanted to know what's the proper "agavi way" of doing this
11:53 Wombert I'd do it in the view as sth suggested
11:53 sth At this point, win! :D
11:55 Wombert you could also assemble the query etc in the action, but not execute it
11:57 CIA-48 david * r4564 /branches/1.0/RELEASE_NOTES: logging in RELEASE_NOTES, refs #1202, #1303, #1304, #1305
11:58 Jarda :(
11:58 Wombert stabs self
11:58 Jarda I was sure you would have some cool way of doing this
12:07 CIA-48 david * r4565 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/request/AgaviWebRequest.class.php): Fix #1281: Statically forcing the URL scheme to https in AgaviWebRequest is not possible
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12:45 Jarda cia could add the changeset url to the messages
12:46 v-dogg Chuckwalla used to do it (or some bot before it)
12:46 Jarda I could of course script it to my irssi
12:46 Jarda but that would most likely annoy people?
12:52 sth yes.
12:53 Jarda well, workaround: /alias agavitrac echo http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/$0
12:54 Jarda I'm too lazy to open browser and type the url by hand :D
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13:08 Wombert hmh
13:08 Wombert good news!
13:08 Wombert looks like I can make FPF a lot more lenient
13:08 Jarda meaning?
13:08 Wombert not all errors libxml reports are fatal
13:09 Wombert especially not in HTML parsing mode
13:09 Wombert I guess we can recover from quite a lot of errors
13:09 Wombert e.g. &nbsp;
13:09 Wombert \o/
13:09 Jarda and I've just memorized the unicode for that..
13:09 Jarda Wombert: 1.1 or 1.0?
13:09 Wombert 1.0.4
13:10 Jarda will it be the last version before 1.1? :)
13:10 Jarda well it of course depends on if there is something fatal
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13:16 Wombert Jarda: well, yeah, for fatals, there won't be a parsed DOM then either
13:16 Wombert but in many errors cases and almost all warning cases, there is
13:17 Wombert so... we can log an error and proceed
13:17 Jarda mmkay
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16:37 MrJeep hey Wombert, what was that long word in german for a speeding ticket ?
16:37 jurica strafzettel
16:38 MrJeep i think there were a longer word
16:38 MrJeep there was*
16:41 jurica hmm
16:42 steffkes i think it's long enough, no? :D
16:43 steffkes perhaps you mean Geschwindigkeitsüberschreitung ?
16:44 MrJeep I think I do !
16:44 jurica NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! i crashed my iphone
16:44 sth how?
16:44 steffkes to get an longer word .. just combine them both ;D "Strafzettel wegen Geschwindigkeitsüberschreitung"
16:45 jurica accidentally pulled out the cable while a software update was running
16:45 jurica it still works but all settings are lost
16:47 MikeSeth lol iphone suck
16:48 jurica every other device would also crash if you pull out the cable while updating its firmware
16:49 MikeSeth but iphone sucks :P
16:50 macen check this out.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10960230
16:50 macen that's one hefty speeding ticket
16:50 jurica LOL
16:50 jurica i love switzerland
16:51 jurica riding a bike inside a trainstation costs 300 SFR
16:51 MikeSeth speeding should be a criminal offense punishable by jail time
16:52 MikeSeth otherwise the state is inclined to encourage speeding and dole out exaggerated punishments in order to make money
16:52 MikeSeth which is clearly the case here
16:53 sth The swiss fine people based on speed and income
16:54 sth Which makes sense since a 300EUR fine is nothing to a guy with that much money
16:54 MikeSeth which is why fines should be jail time, not money
16:54 hzilla umm how about disqualification?
16:54 hzilla jail time is overlkill
16:54 hzilla costs more to keep the guy in jail
16:54 MikeSeth hzilla: not if the goal is to deter people
16:55 hzilla community service & disaqualification & fine makes more sense
16:55 MikeSeth if it isn't worth the cost to deter speeding then it shouldn't be a restriction at all
16:55 hzilla 2nd/3rd offence jail
16:55 MikeSeth after all, this isn't a crime that victimizes someone, but a potential in theory crime
16:56 MikeSeth from where I see it the state is just making money
16:56 MikeSeth which it shouldn't be able to do, being a not for profit entity
16:56 hzilla so u'd rather tax payers pay to jail someone than make them pay?
16:56 MikeSeth yes
16:57 MikeSeth come to think of it, unless somebody harms somebody there shouldn't be speed limits at all
16:57 hzilla fuck it. just shoot them
16:58 hzilla or perhaps round them all up like escape from new york and let them sort themselves out right?
16:59 MikeSeth well I dunno about that
16:59 MikeSeth but the state should not have any spare funds other than those collected from legitimate venues otherwise it starts playing a charity and partying on other people's money
17:00 hzilla i understand your point - eg. traffic cameras etc. but in principle jail is not the best solution as a deterent or a punishment
17:01 hzilla as i say, community service, disaqulifiaction and fine is ample
17:01 hzilla for most crimes
17:01 MikeSeth if the fine is fixed and not proportional to one's income, perhaps
17:01 MikeSeth otherwise the state has an incentive to persecute the rich
17:01 hzilla why not proportional? taxes are?
17:01 hzilla persecute?!!
17:01 hzilla good grief
17:02 MikeSeth taxes are a more or less legitimate venue
17:02 MikeSeth though in principle I don't agree that they should be proportional to one's income either, but rather to consumption of state services and protections
17:02 hzilla crimes are always punshied proportionally to the crime and the means of the criminal
17:03 MikeSeth hzilla: yeah, why send out 100 patrols and set up 100 red light cameras if you can catch one guy and recover the equivalent of 100 fines?
17:04 MikeSeth proportionally to the crime, yes, proportionally to the means of the criminal, I disagree
17:04 hzilla MikeSeth: that's assuming that the police are corrupt. That;s not how things operate in the UK and if that happend there would be a revolution
17:04 MikeSeth the police is quite corrupt and subject to special interests anywhere
17:04 hzilla police are there to protect the public not 'persecute' them
17:04 saracen 16:02:26 < hzilla> MikeSeth: that's assuming that the police are corrupt. That;s not how things operate in the UK and if that happend there would be a revolution
17:05 saracen lies
17:05 MikeSeth the "scientology is a cult" incident with Crown Prosecution Service comes to mind
17:05 MikeSeth was it not for the public outrage they would have put a kid in jail for holding a sign that states a fact
17:05 hzilla yeh there maybe case of corruption which are often investigated but its not systematic corruption
17:06 MikeSeth IMO the idea of preventive law enforcement by itself is at least in some degree a sympthom of corruption
17:06 MikeSeth essentially you convict people of a crime before they committed the crime, and in order to prevent them from committing a crime
17:06 hzilla where does that happen?
17:07 macen oops, look what i started lol
17:07 MikeSeth hzilla: anywhere, from speeding to drug control to gun control to seat belt laws
17:07 hzilla speeding?
17:07 hzilla that's a law and in this case it was broken
17:07 MikeSeth hzilla: yes but when you speed who is the victim?
17:08 saracen THE LAMPPOSTS
17:08 MikeSeth unless you run over someone there isn't one, which makes it an entirely different class of crime
17:08 hzilla point taken: but clearly the law is there to protect the safety of society
17:08 MikeSeth one in which the rights violated are of the society and not of the individual
17:08 MikeSeth and the society has a broad discretion to define what is or what is not a crime in this respect
17:09 MikeSeth for example the society could institute a law that makes it crime to drive while being black
17:09 MikeSeth and in fact until recently such laws did exist
17:09 MikeSeth (and in certain countries still exist if you replace black with woman)
17:10 saracen or, for example, could institute a law that makes it a crime to use symfony
17:10 saracen but MikeSeth beat everybody to that
17:10 hzilla so what is jail then other than exactly prevention? u support that?
17:10 MikeSeth hzilla: I support that because a) it is equal punishment on eveyr perpetrator b) it does not create the commercial incentive for the state, thus corrupting it and encouraging entrapment and discrimination
17:11 hzilla sounds like communism to me. i'm not going there!
17:11 MikeSeth communism is collective ownership of all properties
17:11 MikeSeth in communism there is no crime because all criminals are not communists :>
17:12 hzilla that;s a one-dimensional summation
17:12 MikeSeth well try living in a communist country
17:12 MikeSeth I have ;>
17:12 hzilla point being?
17:13 MikeSeth point being, "potential"/"victimless" crimes/crimes against society should be legislated against with rigorous skepticism
17:13 MikeSeth in this case they clearly have not been
17:13 MikeSeth given that a guy has to pay a million for not harming anyone
17:13 sth I live in east berlin atm, does that count? :)
17:13 hzilla sth: yes
17:14 hzilla MikeSeth: the fine is a punishement and a deterent exactly as it should be and they do the tax payers a favour by not taxing them more to lock up this fool
17:15 hzilla the argument about whether the law should exist in the first place is another one
17:15 hzilla and i don't think i want to get into that really cos its large topic
17:16 hzilla and finally the data shows that prison is ineffective for rehabilitation in the large part
17:19 hzilla btw MikeSeth what communist country did you live in?
17:20 ttj Regarding fines, one of the executives at Nokia was fined about 120 000 euros for driving 75km/h in a 50km/h zone with his motorcycle.
17:21 ttj He took it to court which then dropped it to around 6 000 euros.
17:21 hzilla yeh appeal process is vital
17:32 ttj Ooo... Only a couple of more weeks until we get new freshmen...
17:32 ttj Which is nice cause this vacation is turning me into an alcoholic.
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17:39 macen jurica: 27" iMac can have a second hard drive
17:39 jurica yup i looked it up ;)
17:39 sth all imacs can
17:40 sth you just sacrifice the DVD-RW
17:40 macen sth: did you put your SSD in yourself?
17:41 sth Nope, I don't have a SSD
17:41 macen hmk
17:41 sth I just know you can sacrifice the DVD-RW for a second drive
17:42 macen i wouldn't do that
17:42 macen going for 27" anyway
17:42 sth I would
17:42 macen external one instead?
17:42 sth Nope
17:42 sth I don't use it
17:42 sth Like, ever
17:43 jurica i would like to replace my optical drive for an ssd in my mbp but its to expensive for me right now
17:43 macen meh, i get given cd/dvd's too much
17:43 sth I've used my DVD-RW once and that was to install Snow Leopard
17:43 Wombert you could simply use a cheap SATA-to-USB dongle and use the internal drive as an external one :)
17:43 sth Yeah, if you wanted to
17:44 sth I wouldn't even need to use the DVD-RW for doing a system restore
17:44 sth I would simply put the Snow Leopard disc on a partition on one of the drives
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17:45 sth A small SSD drive (64GB) + a large 5400/7200RPM disk would be enough
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17:53 saracen http://www.break.com/index/pilot-pretends-to-faint.html
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22:45 CIA-48 david * r4566 /branches/1.0/src/config/defaults/autoload.xml: add forgotten autoload declarations, refs #1304 and #1305
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01:27 CIA-48 david * r4568 /branches/1.0/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Updated ISO Schematron to version 2010-04-21, closes #1306
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08:55 Jarda hmm.. how ugly would it be to have something like $mySearchModel = ....; $mySearchModel->performSearch(); $mySearchModel->setTemplate('MyCustomTemplate'); $contents = $mySearchModel->render();
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09:56 MikeSeth Jarda: ugly
09:57 MikeSeth implement the rendering part as e.g. simple action
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11:51 Yossi_B Huomenta
11:52 Yossi_B anyone has an example of validation validating one date to be prior to another?
11:52 Yossi_B should I write a custom validator for that ?
11:53 Jarda Yossi_B: what do you mean?
11:54 Jarda do you mean, that "date should be before last weeks monday" or "make sure user gave date1 that is after date2"?
11:54 Yossi_B I have from date, and to date (show entries from...to). so 'from date' should be prior to 'to date'
11:55 Jarda the first one can be achieved vitha AgaviDateTimeValidator. The latter has to be (afaik) implemented in a custom validator
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11:56 Jarda hmm.. unless
11:56 Jarda is there some comparison validator available in agavi core?
11:56 Yossi_B hmm, I don't know... if it helps I am exporting the dates to DateTime objects
11:56 Jarda if so, then you could export from datetime to unix timestamp
11:57 Jarda but I guess there is not
11:57 Jarda I would do this in a custom validator
11:57 Yossi_B okay, thanks
11:58 Jarda or if it's an one time thing, I'd use AgaviDateTimeValidator for the datetimes and then a simple comparison in validate() (or validateWrite())
11:58 Jarda in the action, that is
11:58 Jarda I could do: public function validate() { return $rd->getParameter('exportedToDate') > $rd->getParameter('exportedFromDate'); }
11:58 jeeez is it okay to have two routes to have the same action?
11:59 Jarda jeeez: it is ok technically. It can be however argued if that is good practice. Generally it's bad if same resources are available through different urls
12:00 jeeez http://pastebin.com/qQjgwECa
12:00 jeeez something like that
12:00 Jarda I wouldn't do it like that
12:00 Jarda wait a sec
12:00 jeeez sure
12:02 Jarda http://pastebin.com/V6PxmazT
12:04 jeeez okay, got it
12:04 Yossi_B Jarda: now I think I won't validate for it at all, I mean, it would just give an empty result set... which is technically fine I guess.
12:04 Jarda Yossi_B: yup
12:04 Jarda Yossi_B: of course if you are adding javascript, you can do some client side validation with datepickers etc
12:04 Yossi_B yup...
12:05 Jarda iirc jquerys datepicker has just an example like that
12:05 Jarda and when there's no potential security risk (just showing the empty set) only validating the comparison client side is imo fine
12:09 jeeez now, there has to be a executeRead() in the action to validate the value, right?
12:10 v-dogg for read request yes (or generic execute())
12:11 jeeez parsing a value off the url is reading and submitting forms is writing :\
12:13 jeeez correct me if i'm wrong
12:14 Jarda not quite
12:14 Jarda executeWrite == POST request, executeRead == GET request
12:14 jeeez i'm trying to get a value off the url, and also got a form to validate. they can both go in the same validate/xxx.xml?
12:14 Jarda but, a POST request might have values in url too
12:15 Jarda a sec again
12:15 jeeez sure
12:17 Jarda http://pastebin.com/seK2sZzK
12:17 Jarda someparam is present in all execute* methods
12:17 Jarda someotherparam is only in executeWrite
12:17 Jarda somethirdparam only in executeRead
12:18 Jarda ($rd->getParameter('someparam')) etc
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12:18 Jarda it doesn't matter if the params are from a form or from the url
12:19 Jarda agavi kind of merges them to one request data container
12:19 jeeez okay, makes sense now! thanks
12:28 jeeez can you have a look at http://pastebin.com/FxL35EF7 ?
12:30 jeeez what am i missing?
12:30 sth What's inside the action file?
12:31 v-dogg no execute* is my guess
12:31 sth Probably
12:32 sth Or he's got Write and Read the wrong way round
12:32 v-dogg and replace regexp validator with number validator
12:32 jeeez an empty executeRead() function wont do?
12:32 jeeez what do you mean by getting Write and Read the wrong way?
12:32 Jarda show the whole action
12:33 sth paste bin Registration_RegisterAction
12:33 jeeez on it
12:34 jeeez http://pastebin.com/zsisTvGt
12:35 sth remove the getDefaultView method
12:35 sth inside executeRead, return 'Input'; needs to be added to load the input view
12:38 sth on that note, lunch
12:38 saracen Yeah, you would eat lunch, wouldn't you
12:38 saracen fatbrit
12:39 v-dogg jeeez: a tip about form inputs & php: using arrays makes life simpler many times
12:40 v-dogg <input name="user[Name]" /> <input name="user[Email]" /> ...
12:40 v-dogg and in action $rd->getParameter('user') return array('Name'=>'...'
12:41 v-dogg might not help you but thought I mention this
12:41 jeeez thought of that too, though only retrospectively. will do that in the next iteration, hopefully
12:42 v-dogg most ORMs support $object->fromArray() (and you can even populate the form from the array you get from $obj->toArray())
12:42 jeeez if($rd->hasParameter('invid')){$this->setAttribute('_title', 'R');} else {$this->setAttribute('_title', 'E');} <-- i have that in executeHtml of Registration_RegisterInputView
12:42 jeeez but the title is always set to Register :|
12:43 jeeez i have return 'Input' in executeRead as mentioned earlier by sth
12:45 Wombert title? _title? which is it?
12:45 Wombert are you echoing the correct var? :p
12:46 jeeez it IS _title right?
12:46 jeeez Wombert: the second statement, do you Know something? :\
12:47 Wombert sighs
12:47 Wombert dude, you need to give meaningful error descriptions
12:47 Wombert [12:42] jeeez: but the title is always set to Register :|
12:47 Wombert what does that mean? what title?
12:47 jeeez i meant when i go to ~~/register page
12:47 jeeez which is where it should've been either R or E
12:48 Wombert [12:47] Wombert: what does that mean? what title?
12:49 Wombert what "title"?
12:49 jeeez the title of the page rendered by input view?
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12:51 Wombert jeeez: what title?
12:51 Wombert jeeez: the HTML <title> tag?
12:51 Wombert jeeez: some kind of heading?
12:51 Wombert be more specific
12:51 Wombert jeeez: are you echoing the var at all?
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12:53 jeeez when the view renders output, after executing the action?
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12:53 v-dogg yes
12:53 Jarda jeeez: instead of setting the attribute, do something like var_dump('E'); ecit;
12:53 Jarda *exit
12:54 Jarda so you know your view is actually called
12:55 jeeez okay, its not being called
12:55 Jarda empty page?
12:56 Jarda php doesn't have display_errors on and you are getting a fatal error of your typo ($rd->getPatameter insted of $rd->getParameter) in action's executeRead
12:56 Wombert error view because your validation fails?
12:59 jeeez yeah, it goes to error view
13:01 jeeez and i guess input is not being called at all
13:02 Jarda yup, handleError in action returns 'Error'
13:02 Wombert jeeez: because validation fails
13:02 Wombert isn't this a page for signing up?
13:02 jeeez yeah
13:03 Wombert oh, with an invite ID?
13:03 Wombert or what is that?
13:03 Wombert you know, you really should call that "invite_id" or "invitation_id"
13:03 Wombert not "invid"
13:03 Wombert because that's the kind of stuff that ruins a code base over time :)
13:03 Wombert so, is it an invite code?
13:03 jeeez yes, if someone else invites you to the site, you're automatically friends with them
13:03 Wombert eh
13:03 Wombert wait
13:03 Wombert ok
13:04 Wombert so can I sign up without this thing?
13:04 jeeez yeah
13:04 Wombert ok
13:04 Wombert now
13:04 Wombert a) remove that from the route
13:04 Wombert it's a query option
13:04 Wombert blah/register?invite_id=123123213
13:04 Wombert much better
13:05 Jarda Wombert: ok, that's my bad as I told him how to combine those two routes to one :)
13:05 Wombert b) write a validator that actually looks at the database
13:05 v-dogg NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN DAS IST VERBOTEN
13:05 Wombert <validator class="InvitationIdValidator" required="false"><argument>invitation_id</argument></validator>
13:05 v-dogg I'm going to make an irssi shortcut for that...
13:05 Wombert then, if an invite id is given, it'd show an error page
13:06 Wombert if not, all is fine
13:06 Jarda v-dogg: /alias davidrant say NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN DAS IST VERBOTEN
13:06 jeeez Wombert: thanks, let me try that
13:06 Jarda Wombert: no, required=false so not giving the code doesn't show an error page
13:07 Jarda but if the invitation would be wrong, then show an error page
13:07 saracen Cool people would make the invitation validator export the object of the user that invited them, so you can use that model in your register action
13:08 Jarda saracen: cool people don't use models, they fuck them
13:08 Jarda :o
13:08 saracen That's not cool people, that's filthy rich people!
13:09 Jarda .Equals(cool people);
13:09 Jarda I'd like to be cool :(
13:09 saracen Become a model and sleep with somebody rich
13:09 jeeez get filthy rich :\
13:10 Jarda v-dogg is not paying me enough for me to get rich..
13:12 saracen How long does mayonnaise last for? I bought this jar quite a few months back. It says "May 11" for the best before
13:12 saracen But is that the year
13:12 saracen I'm going to assume it is the year
13:12 saracen if I die, my password to everything online is: honeybees78
13:12 Wombert it is the year
13:12 Wombert rofl
13:13 saracen WHY DIDNT YOU SAY SOONER
13:13 saracen changes password to everything online
13:14 sth sets fire to saracen
13:18 steffkes there is enough fat inside, that it could be 2k12 :o
13:21 simoncpu weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
13:21 Wombert OMNOMNOM MAYONNAISE
13:23 MikeSeth calamari + mayonnaise
13:23 MikeSeth any fucking day
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13:27 sth As much as I love soundcloud.com, I wish their search was better
13:56 _cheerios dopplr made 753e profit last year. nokia bought it for 10million.
13:56 sth win!
13:58 _cheerios my bad, that was sales, it posted losses of 455k euros :)
14:00 _cheerios the internet is a cruel mistress
14:14 Wombert dopplr needs to die in a fire
14:14 Wombert besides
14:14 Wombert I don't think they have touched the code every since they were bought by nokia
14:14 Wombert it could be such an awesome product, yet it is so fucking lame
14:14 sth and yet you use it
14:15 Wombert it is useful because it sends me a newsletter telling me if there are other people going to be at the same location where I'm travelling
14:15 Wombert but the way it deals with itineraries and recommendations and urrrrrgh
14:18 sth I can't wait until I have my evenings again
14:18 sth I want to do a project I have planned
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14:47 MikeSeth Wombert: www.dealxtreme.com
14:48 MikeSeth ipad clone for $100
14:48 MikeSeth called "iPed"
14:48 MikeSeth <3 China
14:48 MikeSeth well dealextreme.com
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15:04 digitarald Huomenta
15:08 macen_ huomenta
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15:23 CIA-48 david * r4569 /branches/1.0/src/logging/AgaviScribeLoggerAppender.class.php: fix notice, refs #1305
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16:23 nfq he Xylakant
16:23 Xylakant hi
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16:27 hzilla mm how do i get my autologon cookie to work on a subdomain from my main site? eg. admin.
16:29 steffkes modify the cookie-domain .. to .domain.tld ?
16:30 Wombert what steffkes said
16:30 sth stabs imagick
16:31 hzilla ah looks like a factories setting
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16:56 sth Wombert: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY9u0LxIWJk
16:59 Yossi_B on the wikipedia MVC page - Agavi is not listed under php frameworks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model%E2%80%93View%E2%80%93Controller#PHP
16:59 Yossi_B I am adding it, k?
17:02 Yossi_B done!
17:04 sth I need an American itunes account
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22:35 hzilla oh wait u can set it in the method...
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23:23 Wombert hzilla: eh?
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23:23 Wombert [22:35] hzilla: oh wait u can set it in the method...
23:23 Wombert WHY THE FUCK IS IT HALF PAST ELEVEN
23:23 Wombert durr
23:24 saracen Why is your IRC client made for girls
23:24 saracen These are called channels, not chat rooms
23:25 saracen Speak of which, A/S/L!!!1
23:25 saracen ??
23:25 saracen Speaking*
23:28 hzilla was just wondering about cookie dominas but u can set that in teh webresponse in factories :)
23:29 hzilla a message was lost somewhere in translation i guess
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23:39 hzilla what does L mean in A/S/L?
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00:04 graste location
00:04 graste ?
00:12 hzilla imagine being asked that in a chat room.. scary
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01:11 saracen 23:10:36 < hzilla> imagine being asked that in a chat room.. scary
01:12 saracen haha, clearly you never used to chat in places where all the men are pretending to be women
01:12 saracen its a commonly asked question
01:12 saracen But you give a general response
01:12 saracen Not GPS coords
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01:36 hzilla indeed i haven't frequented places like that although i have been to some questionable establishments
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04:15 MugeSo huomenta
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04:55 simoncpu MugeSo: what's the japanese for hello and good morning?
04:56 MugeSo konnichiwa and ohayou ;)
05:03 Jarda huomenta (6am hee..)
05:15 simoncpu konnichiwa dude!
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08:45 _cheerios huomenta!
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09:06 jeeez can someone show a simple example of setting/reading cookies in Agavi?
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09:10 _cheerios theres some code in the example app, iirc
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09:57 jeeez is it possible to have agavi change action names?
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10:49 v-dogg jeeez: no, it's so complicated task that no general helper script has ever been built
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11:54 MikeSeth zots simoncpu
11:54 MikeSeth don't troll #lisp :P
11:55 simoncpu shhhh
11:55 simoncpu (no one noticed me)
11:55 simoncpu hehehe
11:55 MikeSeth eys they did
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11:55 MikeSeth 08:59 <johs> What a bad troll.
11:55 MikeSeth 08:59 <johs> His troll mother must be so embarrassed.
11:55 MikeSeth 09:00 <Davsebamse> indeed
11:55 MikeSeth 09:00 <Davsebamse> he could at least have waited so we could have the time to react on his trolling
11:55 MikeSeth 09:01 <jdz> he waited whole 30 seconds
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11:55 MikeSeth 09:02 <Davsebamse> yes, that is far to short if you want to troll someone
11:55 simoncpu whoa....
11:55 MikeSeth :P
12:00 jeeez <route name=".confirm" pattern="^/confirm/(token:\w+)(/{invid:\w+})?" action="ConfirmEmail"/> - that doesn't validate '~/confirm/a53a77a6111bab3509a9cc190e6e142233f610a6'
12:01 jeeez is there something wrong with the capture group?
12:02 simoncpu dunno what's \w is
12:02 simoncpu is it shortcut for getting the characters?
12:02 horros I think it's trying to match /confirm/something/something
12:02 simoncpu but ? means the last part is optional
12:02 horros No wait
12:02 Jarda horros: nope, the ?-mark makes invid optional
12:02 horros disregard me
12:02 horros I need a new pair of eyes.
12:03 Jarda simoncpu: \w+ is shortcut for [A-Z0-9\ ]+
12:03 Jarda or something similar
12:03 simoncpu Jarda: ah... oki thanks
12:03 simoncpu jeeez: have you tried escaping /?
12:03 Jarda Alphanumeric characters plus "_"
12:03 simoncpu (\/{invid:\w+})?
12:04 Jarda jeeez: what do you mean by validate?
12:04 jeeez it goes to the error view of confirmemail
12:05 Jarda jeeez: so it's not the route that is the problem
12:05 Jarda it's your validation
12:05 Jarda show your ConfirmEmail.xml
12:06 jeeez http://pastebin.com/g09ABPVR
12:08 Jarda your invid is marked as required
12:08 jeeez required is true by default?
12:08 Jarda yup
12:09 jeeez awesome, works :)
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14:25 saracen MikeSeth: What's that templating language you like?
14:25 MikeSeth www.dwoo.org
14:25 saracen cheers :)
14:25 MikeSeth by Seldaek who hangs around here
14:25 saracen Ah yes, I remember
14:28 sth dwoo's not too bad
14:31 MikeSeth dwoo is awesome
14:31 MikeSeth it's basically Smarty without all the ugly
14:32 MikeSeth the only thing I really hate about it is that the {literal} blocks are hardcoded into it
14:36 Wombert stabs Thrift
14:37 MikeSeth who?
14:39 Wombert Apache Thrift
14:41 MikeSeth this sounds suspiciously javaish
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16:54 MikeSeth http://pastebin.ca/1919469
16:54 MikeSeth I'll just leave this right here
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19:11 CIA-48 david * r4571 /branches/1.0/src/logging/AgaviScribeLoggerAppender.class.php: method docs, refs #1305
19:44 CIA-48 david * r4572 /branches/1.0/src/logging/AgaviScribeLoggerAppender.class.php: make classes configurable, refs #1305
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22:58 Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
22:58 Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:09:56 2010]
22:58 Irssi: #agavi: Total of 29 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal]
22:58 Channel #agavi created Sun Nov 26 07:43:22 2006
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22:58 Home page for #agavi: http://agavi.org/
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09:12 _cheerios huomenta. what's new?
09:13 simoncpu konichiwa!
09:13 v-dogg finland is still the best country in da world!
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12:33 graste MikeSeth?
12:35 macen ordering new imac :>
12:35 macen <3
12:35 macen 256GB SSD with 16GB RAM beat that :>
12:37 graste hm
12:40 macen sorry, showing off heh
13:08 hzilla hey v-dogg i have an improved url regex now if u want
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13:22 Jarda he's propably getting drunk atm :)
13:26 jurica who?
13:29 Jarda v-dogg
13:30 Jarda some corruption event at a cruise ship
13:30 jurica cool! getting drunk in the noon is alway a good decision ;)
13:30 hzilla must be those long daylight hours that start to get confusing
13:30 Jarda he left me at the office to do all his work ://
13:31 Jarda actually I came to the office at 2pm..
13:31 jurica giving his own work to a colleague is also a good idea!
13:33 MikeSeth graste: the original line was "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean the world isn't out to get you"
13:33 MikeSeth actually
13:33 MikeSeth "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't after you"
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14:09 hzilla hmm how do i set a date formatter for a specific language?
14:10 hzilla i see in teh FAQ some domains set to long_date/medium but i want to format per language
14:11 Jarda hzilla: a sec
14:14 Jarda hzilla: http://pastebin.org/613597
14:16 hzilla thanks!
14:17 hzilla and where may i ask are the string definitions such as eeee?
14:19 hzilla i c its cldr syntax
14:20 Jarda I don
14:20 Jarda 't remember where I got them from
14:22 hzilla http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/DateTime-0.61/lib/DateTime.pm#CLDR_Patterns
14:22 Jarda yup, something like that
14:32 ttj Oh wow. Something actually works at Sampo Pankki/Danske Bank...
14:32 Jarda ttj: I don't believe you
14:32 ttj When you explicitely tell them that "Fuck you, close down every contract I have with your sad bank immediately.", they were actually able to do that.
14:32 Jarda :D
14:33 ttj Everything else they absolutely fucked up.
15:09 _cheerios colbert's piece on newsweek country ranking :D
15:09 ttj URL?
15:10 _cheerios http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/350635/august-17-2010/new​sweek-ranks-the-world-s-best-countries
15:10 ttj Ah. Apparently it was a wrong strategy to start with youtube.com. :)
15:13 everplays http://pastebin.com/rWJF2GXy (translation/AgaviTranslationManager.php:914) so if i want to add new "calendar type" i have to change that, right?
15:13 luke` ttj: what kind of contracts do you have with a bank?
15:14 ttj luke`: Credit cards, some service contracts covering accounts, online banking, etc.
15:14 luke` ah ok
15:14 ttj Usual drill.
15:15 luke` and they don't give you freebies to retain/calm you
15:16 everplays cc Wombert ^
15:16 ttj luke`: Nope. That's not too common in Finland. And especially rare with Sampo.
15:17 ttj Every time you deal with a bank, it's sort of like getting ass-raped. With Sampo, it's sort of like being gang-raped by the entire fucking company. Multiple times.
15:24 everplays i think that's odd! agavi should try to make an instrance other type & if that failed must throw
15:25 everplays for example if calendarType was hebrew it should look for AgaviHebrewCalendar & AgaviHebrewCalendar doesn't exist throw
15:25 everplays (AgaviHebrewCalendar will be autoloaded)
15:26 everplays & if AgaviHebrewCalendar doesn't ...*
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15:34 Wombert everplays: only gregorian calendars are supported at the moment
15:36 everplays Wombert: do you accept port of other calendars (based on ICU)?
15:36 Wombert everplays: sure, if you really want to be so brave and do that... :)
15:37 Wombert does icu have a hebrew calendar?
15:37 Wombert we're based on a pretty old ICU version unfortunately...
15:37 everplays yes, it has
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17:17 Yossi_B I still have beef with the currency formater unable to drop insignificant fractional zeros
17:18 Yossi_B The library it is modeled after is able
17:18 Yossi_B but, I guess you can't have everything, and I have a filter to do that
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00:40 hzilla yo is there any agavi php trac lib/model out htere?
00:42 MikeSeth dont think so
00:42 MikeSeth track is in python
00:43 hzilla yeh i mean for xml-rpc
00:43 hzilla ticket lists etc
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09:06 _cheerios huomenta
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09:39 jurica _cheerios: what android device do you own?
09:42 _cheerios samsung galaxy s
09:43 _cheerios finished all levels in angry birds, waiting for more :)
09:43 jurica haha :)
09:43 jurica does the samsung still run 1.6 or did they manage to provide an update?
09:44 _cheerios not sure of older models, this one runs 2.1, and hopefully 2.2 update by end of next month
09:48 jurica ah
09:53 _cheerios hoping 2.2 brings some fixes, the phone is a bit sluggish to bring up eg. the keyboard
09:53 jurica hmm, perhaps this is a problem of samsungs great ui addons?
09:54 _cheerios possible, ye
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10:18 sth Morning
10:20 jurica hi sth
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10:23 sth Hi jurica
10:23 jurica how's berlin?
10:23 sth Awesome :)
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10:28 _cheerios helsingin juhlaviikot (http://www.helsinginjuhlaviikot.fi/en) begins! great time to be in Hki
10:33 jurica this guy looks funny! http://www.helsinginjuhlaviikot.fi/en/klassinen-musiikki/event/4/145---sibelius-​7-sinfoniaa-sinfoniat-3-a-4
10:33 Jarda He's the most internationally famous finish conductor
10:34 _cheerios like a character straight out of an ancient legend
10:35 Jarda he's funny also (at least when being on finnish talk shows)
10:40 _cheerios can't do wrong with a beard like that
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13:06 saracen With the date translator, how do I get it to just return a date string. At the moment, it keeps returning the date and time
13:12 Jarda hmm?
13:12 saracen $tm->_d('10-08-01') returns the date + time
13:13 Jarda saracen: http://pastebin.org/613597
13:13 Jarda in my example $tm->_d($myDate, 'shortdate') returns dd.MM.yyyy
13:15 saracen Ah, I see. Thank you
13:16 Jarda no problem
13:29 horros http://gizmodo.com/5616956/
13:29 horros That's awesome + funny and perhaps slightly nsfw
13:42 _cheerios lol
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13:51 _cheerios create ad, sign up to chatroulette, and people will come and watch your advertisement. i'm tempted to create an ad now.
13:54 Jarda hey, is it possible with svn to "create a patch from one specific changeset"
13:54 Jarda hmm..
13:54 Jarda I could of course merge this changeset
13:54 Jarda true!
13:54 Jarda thansk
13:59 v-dogg svn diff -r 123:124
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14:41 Jarda "Komentoa svn ei tunnistettu sis?iseksi tai ulkoiseksi komennoksi, suoritettavaksi ohjelmaksi tai komentojonotiedostoksi."
14:42 v-dogg fix your system then :)
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16:05 hzilla hmm if a parameter holder has parameters without names eg. array('val1', 'val2') how do i get val2 using getPaameter? getParameter(0) retunrs val1 bit getParameter(1) returns null
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16:13 Jarda hzilla: hmm.. $params = $myHolder->getParameters();
16:13 Jarda $params is then array(0=>'val1', 1=>'val2')
16:13 Jarda or atleast should be
16:14 Wombert hzilla: it's designed for key/value pairs
16:14 Wombert hzilla: there is no support for int keys
16:14 hzilla i c
16:14 Jarda oh, ok
16:14 Jarda home -->
16:15 hzilla well the parameters are stored but not readable right
16:15 hzilla not directly anywa
16:15 hzilla y
16:15 Wombert hzilla: did you store them with setParameter() or through the ctor?
16:15 hzilla ctor
16:15 Wombert yeah, that's just undefined behavior
16:16 Wombert or else we'd have to scan the array for int keys and throw an error or so
16:16 Wombert slow
16:16 hzilla i'm writing a trac xml-rpc model and teh ticket data has some undefined keys
16:16 Wombert I don't understand why it's not working though
16:16 Wombert if(isset($this->parameters[$name]) || array_key_exists($name, $this->parameters)) {
16:16 Wombert return $this->parameters[$name];
16:16 Wombert }
16:16 hzilla maybe my fault - i'll check again
16:17 Wombert dude this works
16:17 Wombert yeah it is
16:17 Wombert I just tested :)
16:17 Wombert $p = new AgaviParameterHolder(array('foo', 'bar'));
16:17 Wombert var_dump($p->getParameters(), $p->getParameter(0), $p->getParameter(1));
16:17 hzilla um yeh sorry :/
16:17 hzilla anyway is this forge thing on the way?
16:23 saracen Is there a way I can do this without having to extend something I generally wouldnt? http://pastebin.com/FwCr0cY8
16:23 Wombert saracen: eh?
16:24 Wombert saracen: you want to modify them at runtime?
16:24 saracen Wombert: Yes, and I feel I have good reason
16:24 saracen maybe.
16:24 Wombert saracen: definitely not
16:24 Wombert saracen: it's a very bad idea
16:24 Wombert a) it'll be super hard to trace why an option is set all of a sudden or why a url looks different
16:24 saracen It's modified in a routing callback, specifically
16:24 sth You can specify that in a callback, surely?
16:24 Wombert b) some pillock will eventually add code that calls other code that doesn't expect something to be set and
16:24 Wombert WHAT?
16:25 Wombert stabs saracen
16:25 saracen sth: You can on generate
16:25 Wombert zomg, explain use case
16:25 sth Then use it :)
16:25 Wombert saracen: explain what you're doing please
16:25 saracen Wombert: Haha, with pleasure. I wanted to catch you before I did it, but youw werent online
16:27 saracen Ok. So, we have secure routing callbacks. When you enter HTTPS, the base href is secure as well etc. Which meant, once you entered HTTPS, there was no way of escaping it (all relative links were obviously secure ones). We wanted the behaviour where, once in HTTPS, if you clicked another link, you'd go back to HTTP (unless that route had a secure callback on it)
16:27 saracen Somebody added scheme=http to the factory settings. But this meant that every URL was absolute
16:28 saracen What I've done, is when the secure routing callback is matched, set the default scheme to HTTP. This makes it so when you've come to a page via HTTPS. All generated links are HTTP (unless they have the specified callback)
16:28 saracen So they're only absolute in HTTPS
16:28 saracen make sense?
16:29 sth Why force HTTP?
16:29 saracen Was the behaviour requested. I suppose, we could be more on the ball and after a successful secure action (ie. login), forward them back to an insecure page
16:29 saracen But I'm not sure how many cases there are of this, or if we can always do that
16:30 saracen If setting the scheme, in a routing callback (under matched) is dangerous for whatever reason though, I'll have to find that out
16:30 sth You might as well just let them be on HTTPS
16:32 saracen Any other suggestions? :P
16:34 sth Beat them until they agree with me.
16:34 sth Also, I'm back in Peterborough next week
16:34 saracen Did nobody tell you?
16:34 saracen Peterborough isn't there anymore. Your family and loved ones probably burned in the bombing.
16:35 sth Oh good.
16:35 sth It was a bit of a shit town
16:35 sth s/town/city/
16:35 saracen s/city/town lets be realistic now
16:35 saracen It's really a town.
16:36 sth Sure, but it has a city charter, so town becomes city
16:36 saracen Yeah. It's a town.
16:36 sth Also, beer fest when I return
16:37 sth Real beer, none of this German brown water.
16:37 jurica LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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16:37 jurica i you would sit on the other side of the table i would just have kicked you sth!
16:38 saracen Wombert: !
16:38 sth jurica: then stop making bad beer :x
16:39 jurica at least our (munichs) bear is really awesome!
16:39 MrJeep is there some doc only that teach how to manually add a layer in a view ?
16:39 sth jurica: only the weissbier
16:40 jurica bah i dont like weissbier
16:40 horros I like Krombacher Pils
16:40 Wombert stabs horros
16:40 Wombert don't say that again
16:40 Wombert ever
16:40 sth ha
16:40 horros I like Krombacher Pils
16:40 horros I like Krombacher Pils
16:40 sth That's the crap I had to drink at the love parade
16:41 horros I like Krombacher Pils
16:41 horros moons Wombert
16:41 saracen horros: Say it all you like. Wombert has cucumbers with his drinks.
16:41 sth We only drank it because it was cold.
16:41 horros saracen: :D
16:41 sth saracen: seriously, who under 60 drinks a G&T in the UK? :P
16:41 Wombert MrJeep: look at AgaviView::loadLayout()...
16:41 MrJeep kk
16:42 saracen sth: students, when theres nothing else left. Not even dust.
16:42 sth lol
16:42 sth I don't even know any students that would drink it
16:42 saracen Even if there was no dust left?!
16:42 sth Even in that event
16:42 Wombert MrJeep: that code is pretty straightforward, but feel free to ask questions if you don't understand something
16:42 saracen The students you know just aren't hardcore enough
16:42 sth When I worked in a student bar, I didn't make a single G&T
16:43 saracen Wombert: You need to moan at my solution then tell me how to do it better moar
16:43 MrJeep ty Wombert
16:43 saracen sth: But did you serve any dust?
16:43 Wombert MrJeep: basically, $this->createLayer(), then $this->appendLayer() or $this->prependLayer()
16:44 Wombert saracen: doesn't seem entirely unreasonable... I'd need some time to come up with a good approach
16:44 Wombert saracen: as sth pointed out though, you could just leave HTTPS on...
16:44 sth saracen: tons of it
16:44 Wombert I hate sites that redirect me back to HTTP after a login
16:44 saracen Yeah, I'll discuss that with the other guys, leaving it on HTTPS that is
16:45 saracen sth: I see :(. Fine.
16:45 CIA-48 david * r4573 /branches/1.0/src/renderer/AgaviXsltRenderer.class.php: harden error handling, refs #1299
16:46 saracen sth: Start playing tf2.
16:46 sth Buy me a copy of TF2 then
16:46 saracen fu
16:46 sth You make more money than I do...
16:46 saracen No I don't
16:47 sth Wombert pays me on cucumber and crackers
16:47 Wombert true story
16:48 saracen lies
16:48 sth Like right now, I'm wearing a burlap sack because I have no clothes.
16:49 saracen Did Wombert suggest you to wear it? Does it have holes in it?
16:49 saracen No wonder he's paying you with 'cucumber'
16:52 sth jurica opted to be paid in magic beans
16:54 Jarda I'm not paid at all :/
16:54 Jarda you lucky ones..
16:55 saracen sth: Anyway. 14 quid set back
16:55 saracen and then I can crit you in the face
16:55 sth Does it work on a mac?
16:55 saracen I think Womberts been playing it on the mac
16:55 saracen It does now
16:55 saracen Not sure how well
16:55 sth Neat
16:55 saracen Apparently the performance is a little less, but Apple are releasing some fix soon for it's graphics drivers+vendors
16:56 sth They've already done that
16:56 saracen oh
16:56 saracen then hopefully it'll play awesomely
16:56 saracen Dont use your magic mouse though.
16:56 sth I don't have one
16:56 sth I have a magic trackpad
16:56 saracen I dont think a trackpad will work all that well, either
16:57 CIA-48 david * r4574 /branches/1.0/src/ (11 files in 5 dirs): use PHP 5.3 exception linking throughout, refs #1308
17:07 CIA-48 david * r4575 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php: fix fails in [4574], refs #1308
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18:30 macen http://css3.youds.com/ CSS3 Showcase if anyone's interested (limited atm, will develop)
18:35 saracen i want my 3 clicks back.
18:36 macen piss off
18:36 Jarda css3 <3
18:36 Jarda I use it a lot
18:37 Jarda I don't "support" IE users anymore. Meaning they get an uglier page
18:37 Jarda of course I test that the pages are usable with IE
18:38 macen i'm still supporting IE where possible, eg. if there is a filter property I will use it or an .eot font, etc
18:39 macen imac arrived <3 and ssd, too. now i need to wait for tools :x
18:39 Jarda what I'm trying to say. is that I've moved to css-shadows rather than playing around with background-images
18:39 Jarda etc
18:39 macen Jarda: there's a filter for that :)
18:40 Jarda box-shadows, rounded corners, text-shadows, gradients
18:40 Jarda macen: I don't feel like playing with them. They are even more rubbish than these -webkit- and -moz- stuff
18:40 macen they call it progressive enhancement on this course i'm doing
18:41 macen eventually IE users will get the "niceness" when they upgrade
18:41 macen i've done my last background image for navigation for sure
18:41 macen and all that stuff..
18:41 macen tables with cells for corners and the middle with a repeat
18:41 Jarda but it does suck to do border-radius:, -moz-border-radius: and -webkit-border-radius:
18:41 Jarda to do just one thing..
18:42 macen always has been though, even from -moz-opacity
18:42 macen that's where we innovate :)
18:42 macen opacity gave much more though, it meant you could fade in and out
18:44 macen laters
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18:50 saracen 17:40:42 < macen> opacity gave much more though, it meant you could fade in and out
18:50 saracen Agavi needs a quotes page
18:50 saracen I remember when they introduced scrollbars. I it was the shit. It meant you could go up and down
18:51 saracen -I
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20:14 CIA-48 david * r4576 /branches/1.0/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
20:14 CIA-48 exception templates render PHP 5.3's linked previous exceptions now. also
20:14 CIA-48 beautified both shiny (new icons, collapsible sections, other cosmetic stuff)
20:14 CIA-48 and plaintext (wordwrap to terminal size, no wordwrap when stdout isn't a
20:14 CIA-48 terminal, a few formatting things) templates and adjusted the tango icon license
20:14 CIA-48 info. closes #1308 and #1309
20:14 Wombert please test this :>
20:14 Jarda so this is all about exceptions?
20:14 Jarda svn up + some exception?
20:15 Jarda do I need 5.3?
20:15 Wombert well... remove a closing > in factories.xml and load it up on 5.3 and you'll see :)
20:15 Wombert yes, PHP 5.3 only
20:15 Wombert although the new icons and layout thingies are always there of course
20:16 Wombert the linking just gives some extra info, mostly in the backtrace... rest is identical still, and will be at least until we drop 5.2 support
20:16 Jarda mmkay
20:16 Jarda gonna try
20:18 Jarda hmm.. do I have any sane project atm :D
20:18 Jarda oh nice
20:19 Jarda doing a svn up
20:22 Jarda oh yeah, nice
20:23 Jarda so. a PropelException should also show the underlying PDOException?
20:23 Wombert no
20:23 Jarda oh, ok.
20:23 Wombert unless they already added support for it
20:23 Jarda what kind of support is needed?
20:23 Wombert http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/4574
20:24 Jarda (I'll patch it, if there isn't support already)
20:24 Wombert well, if the PropelException interface allows it...
20:25 Wombert yeah, needs a third ctor argf
20:25 Jarda did you modify AgaviException?
20:25 Wombert *arg
20:25 Wombert no
20:25 Wombert doesn't have a ctor, so I didn't have to
20:25 Wombert it's in PHP 5.3
20:25 Wombert http://de3.php.net/manual/en/exception.construct.php
20:26 Wombert hm
20:26 Wombert that icon doesn't look right
20:27 Wombert meh
20:27 Jarda But I'm still gonna patch this :D
20:27 Wombert or hmm
20:27 Wombert Jarda: well, send the patch to propel devs so everyone profits :)
20:27 Jarda of course
20:27 Jarda I actually have svn access
20:27 Wombert it's not that useful though since propel wraps the exception info
20:27 Wombert so you get the full messagwe
20:28 Wombert this is something that we *might* drop for 1.2
20:28 Wombert so you don't see the DOM errors anymore in the AgaviConfigurationException
20:28 Wombert instead, you'd look at the DOMException
20:28 Wombert but not sure yet
20:28 Wombert not that obvious to many people I guess, so...
20:28 Wombert :S
20:30 Jarda actually the patch is kinda trivial..
20:30 Jarda have to modify the way the constructor calls the parent constructor..
20:30 Wombert add the arg to the ctor and attach , 0, $e in all places where an exception is caught and a new one is thrown
20:31 Jarda well, imo no need..
20:31 Jarda http://www.propelorm.org/browser/branches/1.6/runtime/lib/exception/PropelExcept​ion.php
20:31 Jarda the "inner exception" is already available
20:32 Wombert hm
20:32 Jarda but you're right, as propel already wraps the information, it's not that usefule..
20:33 Wombert you see the backtrace of the pdo exception though
20:33 Wombert which at least for people familiar with propel might be useful and/or interesting
20:33 Wombert but the "last" exception is the one that matters
20:33 Wombert which is also why Agavi hides the others by default
20:33 Jarda yup
20:33 Wombert since nobody gives a fuck why the DOMException occurred, or where, or how
20:33 Wombert in fact, most people wouldn't understand it
20:33 Wombert so...
20:34 Jarda but actually..
20:34 Jarda is this going to break on 5.2?
20:34 Jarda the additional parameter to constructor, that is..
20:36 Wombert I'm not sure
20:36 Wombert do you have a 5.2 box where you could try?
20:37 Jarda at work, yes
20:37 Jarda a sec
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20:39 Jarda doing svn up
20:39 Jarda hmm, fucked up my local copy.. a few secs more..
20:42 Jarda Fatal error: Wrong parameters for Exception([string $exception [, long $code ]]) in
20:42 Jarda thought so..
20:42 Jarda som version_compare needed
20:42 Jarda or then "fuck of 5.2 users"
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20:53 Jarda http://www.propelorm.org/ticket/1101
20:56 Wombert Jarda: when you extend?
20:56 Wombert Jarda: or when you call?
20:56 CIA-48 david * r4577 /branches/1.0/ (355 files in 3 dirs): updated timezone database to 2010l, closes #1310 and refs #1268
20:57 Jarda Wombert: no, just upgraded agavi and took one closing > from factories.xml
20:57 Wombert Jarda: can you please run this on a 5.2 box:
20:57 Wombert php -r 'throw new Exception("foo", 0, new Exception());'
20:57 Wombert wait, what?
20:57 Wombert it fucks things up on 5.2?
20:57 Jarda agavi\config\AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php on line 385
20:57 Jarda yup
20:57 Wombert zomfg
20:57 Wombert stabs self
20:57 Wombert stabs PHP
20:58 impl still waiting on that Python rewrite...
21:06 Wombert Jarda: okay, so basically, it just falls on its face, right?
21:06 Wombert Jarda: meh meh meh
21:07 Jarda Wombert: yeah
21:07 Wombert Jarda: can you hang around for a few minutes while I revert that change
21:07 Wombert would be much appreciated
21:07 Jarda http://screencast.com/t/ZjVkYzk0YTAt
21:07 Jarda no problem
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21:16 CIA-48 david * r4578 /branches/1.0/ (13 files in 7 dirs): revert [4574] and [4575] and remove exception linking from AgaviXsltRenderer and AgaviScribeLoggerAppender. Thank you, PHP 5.2, for having retarded ctor arginfos. Closes #1308 for good.
21:16 Wombert can you try again now, Jarda?
21:16 Wombert also, do you have a command line script there? try that too with a foobar'd config
21:17 Wombert (especially since you're also on windows)
21:17 Jarda so no exception linking anymore? :/
21:17 Wombert well, it's still supported if you do it in your code and stuff, but not in Agavi, no
21:18 Wombert I can't be arsed to add version_compare everywhere...
21:19 Jarda oh, so you didn't change the way the exception template renders
21:19 Jarda good
21:19 Wombert it won't give you the DOMException anymore though
21:19 Jarda no, but the PDOException is there with my patched PropelException
21:20 Jarda and exception handling with windows fork now
21:20 Jarda didn't check command line, why would you want me to do that?
21:20 Jarda (we are using plaintext exception template, btw)
21:21 Jarda on my own projects I use shiny, but v-dogg doesn't like it :)
21:21 Wombert plaintext in web?
21:21 Jarda yup
21:21 Wombert oO
21:21 Wombert does it look fine, more or less?
21:21 Wombert indents correct and stuff?
21:22 Jarda http://screencast.com/t/ODQzM2EzYzAt
21:22 Wombert ok, so it assumes 80 characters width, that's good
21:23 Wombert thanks Jarda
21:23 Jarda no problem
21:23 Jarda well I too have seen shiny getting broked in some occasions
21:24 Wombert it shouldn't happen anymore
21:24 Jarda ok
21:24 Wombert I fixed pretty much all of these cases
21:24 Wombert you could switch it back and see if it still happens ;)
21:24 Jarda haven't seen it myself in a long time
21:24 Jarda and I use it on my own projects
21:24 Jarda v-dogg is the one who dislikes shiny :D
21:25 Jarda and he's proud that he was the one writing the first version of plaintext ;)
21:30 Jarda Wombert: that shiny svg stuff works on IE?
21:30 Jarda (no, I haven't tested)
21:33 Wombert Jarda: do you have ie9? :>
21:33 Jarda I actually have the dev preview
21:33 Wombert Jarda: could you try for me?
21:33 Jarda one sec
21:34 Wombert Jarda: the latest version has svg support
21:34 Wombert Jarda: you'll need to adjust shiny.php in one line
21:35 Wombert Jarda: in line 59, do $svg = true; just for quick testing
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21:37 Jarda hmm.. I see no difference
21:37 Wombert Jarda: no icons show up?
21:37 Wombert is $svg=true ?
21:38 Jarda no icons
21:38 Jarda let me try that I am changing the right file
21:39 Jarda yes, I changed $svg = true; before the header() call
21:39 Jarda I downloaded this platform preview this week
21:40 Wombert ok, so it's not working?
21:40 Wombert meh
21:40 Jarda it seems not to work
21:40 Wombert ok, thanks Jarda
21:40 Jarda well, no one uses ie to develop :)
21:41 Jarda I don't have anything better to do today :)
21:46 Wombert :)
21:46 Wombert IE9 will be quite nice tho
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21:52 Jarda maybe..
21:52 Jarda Hopes are up :)(
21:52 Jarda oh he left already
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02:52 hzilla hmm if i am dynamically generating a png image in a view how might i embed that into the template?
03:05 hzilla ok got it
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16:39 Wombert whee
16:41 graste :)
17:05 Wombert graste: turns out
17:05 Wombert graste: FPF can be more lenient about parse erros
17:06 Wombert unless the error is fatal (really fucked up HTML or malformed XML), we can continue
17:06 Wombert e.g. in the famous &nbsp; not defined case
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17:40 graste if being more lenient means &nbsp; is not a problem anymore, then I'm all in for it :-)
17:41 graste and I'd not fail with exceptions, but just don't repopulate anything
17:41 graste as in production environments that's preferred instead of an error page <:
17:48 hzilla looking for soap advice. i want to authenticate soap routes so writing my own user class. Is it best to not use sessions and authenticate all requests and load permissions every call?
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19:37 Jarda hzilla: sample app doesn't help you?
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14:44 graste http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/logging/AgaviRotatingFileLoggerAp​pender.class.php#L54
14:45 graste Wombert: can we str_replace '&' as well? It pretty much sucks to have an & in the filename when working on the shell :-)
14:45 graste some other chars perhaps as well
14:45 graste ;>
14:46 Wombert xD
14:46 Wombert graste: just set your own prefix
14:47 graste yeah, that works
14:47 graste but still... :>
14:47 graste oh and line 86 $files seems to be unused
14:48 graste or I'm blind
14:48 graste either way...sucks :D
14:49 graste about the lenient parsing of the FPF - I'm all for it
14:49 graste too many devs use &nbsp;
14:49 graste :>
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15:02 Yossi_B Hi
15:03 Yossi_B anyone can think of a reason my dwoo plugins aren't loading? i've added the folder nicely to output types... dwoo is working, just my custom plugins aren't
15:05 Yossi_B maybe %core.libs_dir% isn't set by default
15:06 graste probably
15:06 graste config.php :-)
15:06 graste index.php
15:08 Yossi_B yes, that's it... Mike does it in config.php included by the dispatcher...
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15:27 MikeSeth Yossi_B: Stock Dwoo plugin doesn't accept more than one plugin directory
15:27 MikeSeth Yossi_B: the one in Yucca does
15:37 Wombert hmm guys
15:37 Wombert MikeSeth, v-dogg, Jarda, ..
15:37 Wombert want to make fpf more lenient
15:37 Wombert we can recover from &nbsp; not found etc
15:38 Wombert but what should be the default?
15:38 Wombert silently swallow everything except fatals?
15:38 MikeSeth what it is now, it compels us to unfuck our templates
15:38 Wombert or what?
15:38 Wombert the problem is that currently, HTML parse mode can't deal with HTML5 elements
15:38 MikeSeth you know what would be REALLY nice though? line numbering in FPF error output
15:38 Wombert as it doesn't know <section>
15:39 Wombert MikeSeth: patches welcome :p
15:39 Wombert actually, there might be one
15:39 MikeSeth umm
15:39 MikeSeth isn't <section> a <fieldset> element?
15:39 MikeSeth that's not HTML5
15:39 Wombert HTML5 has <section>
15:40 Wombert and <article>
15:40 Wombert and shit
15:40 Wombert and libxml's HTML parser complains about these
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16:02 pablosan Huomenta
16:06 pablosan any one use recaptcha with agavi? i have problem with getting values from captcha in action
16:09 Wombert pablosan: I haven't, but I like recaptcha :) what's the exact problem?
16:09 Wombert pablosan: you'll have to validate the captcha string, I guess
16:09 Wombert let me check their php library
16:10 Wombert yeah, recaptcha_check_answer... you can't use $_POST there
16:10 Wombert http://code.google.com/apis/recaptcha/docs/php.html
16:10 Wombert use $rd->getParameter('recaptcha_challenge_field') and $rd->getParameter('recaptcha_challenge_field') and define validators for them
16:11 Wombert I guess basic "string" or "isset" validators will be fine in this case
16:16 hzilla wombert help! i can't understand why my soap user class request data parameters are returned blank, when the request data clearlyh has the parameters in there
16:16 Wombert hzilla: eh?
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16:16 hzilla yeh i know
16:17 hzilla i am doing soap auth using the user class startup function
16:17 Wombert with headers?
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16:17 hzilla well its in the reqeust data at the moment
16:17 Wombert ewww
16:18 Wombert $client->getProduct('user', 'pass', 1234): ?
16:18 Wombert that sucks dude
16:18 Wombert use SOAP headers
16:18 hzilla ok how define headers in the routing.xml?
16:19 Wombert mh
16:19 Wombert you'll need <soap:body> and <soap:headers> I think
16:19 Wombert and headers are individual parts
16:19 Wombert or so
16:19 hzilla ok i 'll try that but the mad thing is...
16:19 Wombert you realize you need to validate this stuff, right, hzilla?
16:20 hzilla how do i validate pre user class startup? or should i skip the start up and validate each action?
16:20 Wombert pre startup?
16:20 Wombert let me think
16:20 Wombert uh
16:20 hzilla well the usre class is validation in itslef really isn;t it?
16:20 Wombert dunno, use a filter or User::startup(), doesn't that work?
16:20 Wombert http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-tipjax1.html
16:21 Wombert http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/ws-tip-headers.html#head1
16:21 pablosan any one use recaptcha with agavi? i cant get values form captcha in action by $rd->getParameters()
16:21 hzilla pablsosan - gimme minute i'll send u my code
16:21 Wombert pablosan: http://pastie.org/1107800
16:22 pablosan thanks
16:22 hzilla wombert:ok i'll validate and use headers but the problem i encoutrered was very strange
16:23 hzilla i can dump the reqData out into the soap response and can see the parameters in tehre
16:23 hzilla but if i use getParameters() on it i get a blank. most strange
16:25 pablosan now it's ok, it works fine :)
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16:29 saracen 14:37:20 < Wombert> silently swallow everything except fatals?
16:29 saracen +1
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16:35 hzilla oh by the way was looking at this and appears 'auto_start' option has no effect? http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/storage/AgaviSessionStorage.class​.php
16:36 Wombert yeah
16:36 Wombert it's messed up
16:36 Wombert has been for quite a while
16:37 hzilla k
16:37 Wombert also, if(session_id() === '') { is messed up I think
16:37 hzilla no biggie, using null storage anyway
16:37 Wombert will be fixed in 1.1 with the session rewrite
16:37 Wombert yea
16:38 hzilla wombert: check this http://samurai.fm/soap-test.php
16:38 hzilla u can see parameters in teh response
16:39 Wombert where are you dumping it?
16:39 Wombert are the fields defined in your wsdl etc?
16:39 hzilla user calss attribute
16:39 hzilla yeh
16:39 Wombert are you validating if necessary?
16:39 Wombert etc ec
16:39 hzilla wait that's not the problem
16:39 hzilla point is u can se the params there
16:40 hzilla however if i do ->getParameters() on it i get a blank
16:40 hzilla fucking weird
16:40 Wombert they look odd anyway
16:40 Wombert not sure what this structure is
16:40 Wombert would have to look at the WSDL
16:40 hzilla nevermind i'll change it anyway
16:40 Wombert but api_user and api_key definitely should be headers, not method params
16:40 hzilla ok
16:41 hzilla what is making me cry is taht _>getParameters() doesn't work on it
16:42 hzilla but anyway i'll see what happens
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16:47 Wombert getParameters on what, hzilla?
16:47 hzilla requestData
16:47 Wombert hzilla: this whole thing is an object
16:47 Wombert not an array
16:47 Wombert it's one big object with your fields
16:48 hzilla yeh its an AgaviSoapRequestDataHolder
16:48 hzilla so i do a ->getParameters() on it and i get a blank
16:48 hzilla even though the params are clearly there
16:48 hzilla howver ->getSourceNames() works
16:50 hzilla i even directly dumped out the parent AgaviParameterHolder class parameters out after making them public and they were blank
16:50 hzilla so i guess the parameters are not stored there or something?
16:50 Wombert they should be
16:51 Wombert maybe they're not unserialized yet?
16:51 Wombert oh yeah, only after Controller::dispatch()
16:51 Wombert then it starts handling the SOAP call and that's where it unpacks the data, I think
16:52 hzilla but idon't get how it can be in the reqData object but not retrievable via getParameters()
16:52 hzilla oh its populated later?
16:52 Wombert you sure it's there
16:52 Wombert yes
16:53 hzilla ok let me test it in the view hen
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16:54 hzilla aha yeh its there now if i dump from the view
16:54 hzilla so i can't read the headers in teh user class startup anyway
16:55 hzilla so i'll have to do teh auth in teh baseaction i guess?
16:56 Wombert hzilla: write a filter
16:56 Wombert if the headers are fine, proceed
16:56 Wombert if not, throw a SOAPFault
16:57 hzilla u mean routing callback?
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16:58 hzilla oh yeou mean an action filter
16:58 hzilla ok got it
16:58 Wombert global filter, hzilla
16:58 Wombert much better
16:58 hzilla ok cool
16:59 hzilla right just got to work out the header defs then
16:59 Wombert hzilla: once they are defined correctly, Agavi will fetch them for you
17:00 Wombert hzilla: and populate them into $rd
17:00 Wombert as headers
17:00 hzilla nice
17:00 Wombert there is a feature somewhere that allows you to set a bunch of headers that you want auto-defined on each method
17:01 Wombert in case you ever have a lot of methods in your api and don't want to redefine the headers for each of them
17:01 Wombert but do the basic steps first
17:01 hzilla sure starting with one then make a def and apply it to all
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17:34 pablosan Huomenta
17:45 _cheerios huomenta
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17:52 ttj Yo.
18:02 _cheerios wow. put a square lopsided in a square => dizzyness :D
18:02 _cheerios sup ttj
18:03 _cheerios (makes the outer square seem lopsided)
18:04 ttj Not much. Back in Helsinki and already bored...
18:26 ttj Wow. You can have a person assassinated in Colombia for about GBP 50-100.
18:49 _cheerios ...for less than a night's out. life is cheap in Columbia.
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19:09 saracen citation required
19:10 ttj That was from some interview of a local assassin in Ross Kemp on Gangs.
19:21 saracen I see, crazy
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20:14 hzilla hey Wombert, re:soap filter. seems to be working so far but about throwing soap faults, is that supposed to return a sensible error message? my soap client just gets an http error and no message if i throw a soap fault http://pastie.org/1108176
20:17 Wombert hzilla: first of all, drop authenticate() and make it authenticateWithApiKey($container->getRequestData()->getHeader('api_user'), $container->getRequestData()->getHeader('api_key')); or so
20:17 hzilla Hai!
20:18 Wombert hzilla: then, throw new SoapFault('Client', 'Authentication failed');
20:18 Wombert or 'Server'
20:18 Wombert that should work better on the client side
20:19 Wombert hzilla: fault code is the first arg; they're documented here: http://www.w3.org/TR/soap12-part1/#faultcodes
20:19 Wombert oh, 'Client' is wrong, sorry
20:19 Wombert wtf
20:19 Wombert wait
20:20 Jarda Wombert: the implementations use those wrong (in my experience)
20:20 Wombert Jarda: codes? yeah possibly
20:20 Jarda I have seen something like "Internal error (from Client)". Like WTF?
20:20 Jarda when I was the client :D
20:20 Wombert "Sender" might be a good choice, hzilla
20:21 Jarda what the system tried to say, was that I was using wrong soap version
20:21 Jarda but then again, "Internal error (from Client)", wasn't very helpful..
20:24 hzilla hmm throw new SoapFault('Sender', 'Message'); gives me SoapFault exception: [HTTP] Internal Server Error in /var/www/
20:30 Wombert what's in the response content?
20:31 Wombert oh wait, did you enable exceptions?
20:31 hzilla empty
20:31 hzilla how so?
20:31 Wombert in the SoapClient ctor options?
20:31 hzilla trace is on
20:31 hzilla i;ll have a look
20:31 Wombert new SoapClient($wsdl, array('exceptions' => true));
20:32 hzilla nah same crappy response
20:33 Wombert hzilla: where does that happen? in the soapclient constructor?
20:33 Wombert hzilla: sure you configured the filter only for soap contexts? :D
20:33 hzilla yeh i did
20:33 Wombert maybe it's throwing the exception when serving the WSDL page...
20:33 hzilla it in the interface call
20:33 Wombert ok
20:33 Wombert try
20:34 hzilla btw about request data - getHeader not a member of that dataholder in the filter
20:34 Wombert $response->setContent(new SoapFault(...));
20:34 Wombert return;
20:34 Wombert hzilla: huh?
20:34 Wombert hzilla: can't be, you sure you configured this right?
20:34 Wombert it definitely has a getHeader() method
20:35 Wombert hzilla: can you pastebin the wsdl part with the headers so I can reproduce this?
20:35 hzilla ok then reqData is not an obkect
20:35 hzilla ok
20:36 Wombert maybe $this->getContext()->getRequest()->getRequestData()...
20:36 hzilla http://pastie.org/1108214
20:36 Wombert oh yeah that's it
20:37 Wombert there is no request data on the container yet
20:37 Wombert in a global filter
20:37 hzilla ok cool
20:37 Wombert change it... does that fix it?
20:37 Wombert mh dude your WSDL doesn't look right
20:38 Wombert Parameters empty and stuff
20:38 Wombert but well
20:38 hzilla yeh add later
20:38 hzilla i don't need params for a listing tho
20:39 Wombert okay lemme implement this for the sample app
20:39 Wombert will need that soon anyway
20:39 hzilla the setContent thing doesn't help either...
20:40 hzilla btw i think this is explicit header defs - not sure about implict in the port
20:58 Wombert hzilla: alrighty, so
20:59 Wombert hzilla: http://pastie.org/1108244 this is how you define headers
20:59 Wombert actually, <header> comes after <body>, but Agavi fixes that for you on compile
21:00 hzilla ok that helps
21:00 Wombert now you have two headers, containing a string, called "api_key" and "api_user"
21:00 Wombert hzilla: I think your problem is that your WSDL isn't alright
21:00 Wombert hzilla: but not sure
21:00 Wombert hzilla: got wsdl caches on in the client?
21:00 hzilla apparently diabled
21:01 hzilla if i change the wsdl def it affects the call so they aren't cache
21:01 hzilla d
21:07 Wombert hzilla: a tip here for better debugging
21:07 Wombert copy/paste the request body that you see from the trace
21:07 Wombert go to soap.php
21:07 Wombert and add this
21:07 Wombert AgaviContext::getInstance('soap')->getRequest()->setInput('<SOAP-ENV:Envelope xmlns:SOAP-ENV="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/"; xmlns:ns1="http://agavi.org/sampleapp"><SOAP-ENV:Body><ns1:getProduct><id>123456​</id></ns1:getProduct></SOAP-ENV:Body></SOAP-ENV:Envelope>;');
21:07 Wombert or whatever your contents are
21:07 Wombert before the dispatch() line
21:08 Wombert then call soap.php directly
21:08 Wombert from a browser
21:08 hzilla aaaaah
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21:17 hzilla wombert did u test that wsdl with a client call? i just get an error with no description. wsdl is generating fine
21:18 Wombert yes
21:18 Wombert let me wrap this up here
21:21 Wombert wtf
21:22 hzilla ok headers work for me but soapfault still gives me nothing
21:22 Wombert wtf wtf
21:22 Wombert if you set it, it works
21:22 Wombert $container->getResponse()->setContent(new SoapFault('Sender', 'Invalid Credentials'));
21:22 Wombert then return
21:22 Wombert throwing it doesn't
21:22 Wombert if you call soap.php directly you'll see that Agavi renders it
21:22 Wombert with an exception page
21:22 Wombert why the hell is it doing that
21:24 hzilla if i set that soap fault in the filter how do i break execution? the filter continues to run
21:25 Wombert return?
21:25 hzilla right
21:25 Wombert :p
21:25 hzilla yeh i get the message now
21:25 Wombert ok, that works, and I've found the cause
21:25 Wombert it must have been like that for a loooooooooooong time
21:26 hzilla <3
21:50 CIA-48 david * r4579 /branches/1.0/src/exception/templates/shiny.php: Use inline-block for toggle arrows (floats aren't included in clickable area) consistently, and fix link title, refs #1308
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22:34 hzilla yo whats the non deprecared way of setting errors in the validation manager?
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09:19 jurica good morning
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09:31 rozza Huomenta
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10:39 _cheerios "A Finnish guy and a Russian guy went to sauna. The Russian guy died."
10:41 jurica and looked like a raisin afterwards? :)
10:41 horros 11:41 <@horros> This is neat. If you save your password at, say,
10:41 horros http://foo.bar/login and you have, say, a form where you add
10:41 horros users... Firefox now has decided it's a BRILLIANT idea to
10:41 horros pre-fill the "password1" field with the password saved at the
10:41 horros login page.
10:41 horros Oh my. Pardon the wonky paste.
10:41 horros But yeah. What an awesome feature!
10:41 horros I want to murder someone right about now.
10:43 Jarda cool
10:44 jurica it fill pre-fills a clear text field with the saved password?
10:44 horros No, it prefills the first password-type field in the first form of any fecking page you load under the domain.
10:45 jurica ah
10:46 simoncpu neato
10:46 simoncpu lololol
10:46 horros one would think that it'd be smart enough to figure out that if this form-tag is completely different and the password-field's name is completely different and the form id is completely different... that one perhaps would not really want the field filled out with some random password from some other place
10:47 Wombert you can switch of password autofills, horros
10:47 Wombert autofill="false" or something
10:48 horros So some rubbish weird annoying non-standard form muckery then?
10:48 Jarda yeah, it's also most annoying in situations, where you want to change your password and there's two password fields below each other..
10:49 Jarda and even more when the password changing is part of other settings
10:49 Jarda so when it fills the first one (which mide even be hidden with javascript) you get a notice in submit, that "please retype your password" or similar
10:49 Jarda when I just wanted to change some fucking setting..
10:52 Wombert call it new_password and new_password_repeat
10:52 Wombert or so
10:52 Wombert and current_password
10:52 Wombert solves teh problemz
10:52 Wombert or switch to Safari, it's doesn't do retarded stuff like that :>
10:52 v-dogg Wombert: it doesn't solve it
10:53 v-dogg different input name, that is
10:53 Jarda Wombert: firefox just checks, that "oh, this field is of type password, let's fill it.."
10:53 v-dogg yep
10:53 Wombert really?
10:53 Wombert rofl
10:53 Wombert :>>>
10:54 horros Wombert: It doesn't help.
10:54 horros Hell; <input type="password" name="dnr_password_1_4c722fe7d4b6c">
10:54 horros + reload =>
10:54 horros <input type="password" name="dnr_password_1_4c7230037817e">
10:54 horros fills them out
10:54 Wombert bahahah
10:54 horros annoying stupid annoying heap of shit
10:55 horros I even randomly generate the ID for the form, an s_key -parameter on the URL and tried setting id:s for the password fields
10:55 horros it seems to just pick the first form on the page and fill out the first password-type field it finds.
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10:56 Jarda yup
10:58 Jarda horros: I once made a form where user could upload a file, give it a name and have the file protected by a password
10:58 Jarda which then sent the password via email to a group (I know, not the most secure way of doing it, but still..)
10:59 Jarda well, the form had fields "file (type:file)", "display_name (type:text)", "file_password (type:password)"
10:59 Jarda it had then always display name and password pre-populated :D
11:00 Jarda because stupid firefox always assumes always "hey, there's an input above password field, that has to be the username.."
11:01 Jarda so if you did something unexpected, you sent your credentials to a whole group of people :D
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11:01 Jarda I had to workaround it with js
11:02 sth I've not seen that in FF for OS X
11:02 horros Jarda: ahaahhaha
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11:04 Yossi_B Huomenta
11:05 Yossi_B Anyone knows how do I validate a direct binary stream (file upload)? what would be the argument for the validator?
11:06 sth the file upload field
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11:14 Wombert Yossi_B: direct binary stream?
11:14 Wombert Yossi_B: clarify please
11:14 Yossi_B without multipart
11:16 Yossi_B as I understand a file post without multipart just posts a binary stream
11:16 Wombert from a browser, Yossi_B?
11:18 Yossi_B Wombert: yup, with an htmlhttprequest
11:18 Wombert Yossi_B: HTML only defines behavior for application/x-www-form-urlencoded and multipart/form-data
11:19 Wombert Yossi_B: PHP isn't very good at this streaming thing... it will read the entire input from the web server before it starts up the userland script
11:19 Yossi_B basically using this with their html5 widget http://www.plupload.com/
11:19 Wombert Yossi_B: so do you want to stream, or do you want to accept an upload?
11:21 Wombert well, anyway, to answer your question... are you POSTing or PUTing?
11:21 Wombert it'll be in a file called "post_file" or "put_file"
11:21 Yossi_B post
11:21 Yossi_B I want to upload a file
11:21 Yossi_B Okay, great
11:21 Wombert why not tell it to use multipart tho?
11:21 Wombert then you'll also get the original filename and stuff
11:21 Wombert if you need it...
11:22 Yossi_B I might switch to multipart, only it says : multipart
11:22 Yossi_B Boolean state if the files should be uploaded using mutlipart instead of direct binary streams. Doesn't work on WebKit using the HTML 5 runtime.
11:22 Wombert mh, dunno
11:22 Wombert not sure why you're using this thing anyway
11:22 Wombert you won't be able to report back progress or anything
11:22 Yossi_B because it allows files drag and drop
11:23 Yossi_B its for an internal app, so I can force them to use FF
11:23 Yossi_B Anyway, thanks a lot!
11:45 _cheerios ttj: http://yfrog.com/61cswkj hot
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13:20 CIA-48 david * r4581 /trunk/ (362 files in 7 dirs): merge [4570:4580/branches/1.0]
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13:27 E_mE Can i execute an action in a Console context, which loads data and builds an agavi cache resource for a Web context (HTML output), so when my web users request a page they always get a cached page no matter what?
13:27 E_mE reason i ask is i dont want my users to be victim to 3rd party web services lag etc
13:38 CIA-48 david * r4582 /branches/1.0/src/logging/AgaviPassthruLoggerLayout.class.php: fix docs, refs #1303
13:38 Wombert E_mE: uh, why not curl?
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13:39 E_mE well it uses cUrl to gain the twitter feed
13:39 E_mE but i want to store it in the agavi cache
13:39 E_mE which means the users web request is never responsible for downloading the data from twitter
13:40 E_mE for example, the twitter feed on the frontpage of agavi.org
13:40 E_mE unless there is an aspect of curl im not aware of
13:42 Wombert why don't you call the page in a cron script with curl
13:42 E_mE with a parameter such as ?reload=true or so?
13:43 E_mE which then builds the HTML cache for me
13:44 E_mE also, asking cronjob to do it surely can't garrentee that a mortal user won't catch the request
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13:46 CIA-48 david * r4583 /branches/1.0/src/logging/AgaviPassthruLoggerLayout.class.php: that part makes no sense, refs #1303
13:46 Wombert so what are you trying to do again, E_mE?
13:49 E_mE I want the load the last Status message in my twtitter account in the footer of a website using CURL. But, I want to create a cronjob to request the data separately and cache the Agavi Action/View for my frontend users. So the user never perform the cURL request them selfs, so the twitter data is always there and ready for users visiting the site.
13:50 E_mE at the end of the day, i dont want my website to become 500ms or 1second slower due to twitter sometimes going fubar
13:51 sth You could just use the iframe thing from twitter
13:51 Wombert uh
13:51 Wombert why don't you just have a cron that fetches the XML or JSON?
13:51 Wombert and then the app reads that file?
13:51 _cheerios twitter has a json-api, just get in it javascript
13:51 Wombert or did I misunderstand something?
13:52 E_mE i did think storing the twitter JSON response into a database table, but thought this might be little over kill
13:52 sth I just had a php script grab from the API and then stored it in a sqlite db
13:52 E_mE _cheerios: that would involve every using having Javascript
13:52 E_mE sqlite db, that could be an idea
13:52 sth E_mE: If they don't have JS enabled, they deserve to diaf
13:52 _cheerios E_mE: https://twitter.com/goodies/widget_profile
13:52 _cheerios everyone does use JS, E_mE
13:53 _cheerios if they don't, they lose out. on your twitter status. no big deal :)
13:53 E_mE _cheerios: that looks good actually
13:53 E_mE can that widget be customised at all?
13:53 sth Seriously, the amount of people that don't have JS enabled is slim
13:53 sth E_mE: colours, size amount
13:54 _cheerios if you're targeting some 70's UNIX users, E_mE, yeah. go with curl. :)
13:54 sth s/ze/ze,/
13:54 E_mE wicked, thanks guys :) _cheerios hehe :)
13:54 sth In all fairness, the agavi site fetches the tweets and then caches the it
13:55 E_mE sth: into a DB?
13:55 E_mE or file
13:55 sth It just uses agavi's caching system
13:56 E_mE ah and a single user generally takes the weight of the request?
13:56 sth yup
13:56 E_mE ah ok
13:56 E_mE what if twitter goes down?
13:56 sth then you get an error
13:57 E_mE okaily dokily
13:57 sth if by some quirk the API is down the same time a new page needs to be rendered
13:57 sth Which with twitter at the moment is about 50% of the time
13:57 Rick why do you need sqlite if you just want to store a single file
13:58 sth I used SQLite on my personal site
13:58 sth I actually still do, but for flickr now.
13:59 sth It picks up photos in my photostream that are tagged with "website"
13:59 Wombert who said something about sqlite?
13:59 sth I did, about 2 minutes ago
13:59 sth 13:54 < sth> I just had a php script grab from the API and then stored it in a sqlite db
14:01 CIA-48 david * r4584 /branches/1.0/src/logging/AgaviJsonLoggerLayout.class.php: allow configuration of serialization behavior, closes #1304
14:06 Jarda I like sqlite
14:06 CIA-48 david * r4585 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge [4581:4584/branches/1.0]
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16:01 _cheerios i've rediscovered a long lost love for tags. will experiment with in heimoi.
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16:03 Jarda tags like "this item tagged as shit" ?
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16:10 Rendez where are the Agavi XML namespace defintions?
16:10 Rendez the xmlns url's like in routing.xml
16:11 sth they don't exist
16:11 sth They don't have to
16:11 Rendez I mean besides "http://agavi.org/agavi/config/global/envelope/1.0"; and similar, it's all in the XSL files?
16:11 Rendez XSLT*
16:11 sth XSD
16:11 Rendez oh
16:12 Rendez good, so AgaviCache uses them in debug mode I guess
16:12 Rendez is there a way to tell AgaviConfig to load a different .xml file?
16:12 Rendez I want to define (in my case) static files and their environments
16:13 Jarda Rendez: what do you mean?
16:13 Rendez I want to create one to load static files (js / css) upon matched routes and separating by environments as well
16:13 Rendez so I can build a scalable structure of JS/CSS files
16:14 Jarda And where does agaviconfig fit in the big picture?
16:14 Rendez matching routes could be a good solution, since it's a way to specify files not dependant on modules only
16:14 Rendez Well, I want to use the same XSD model
16:15 Rendez and I'll need AgaviConfig to create those variables
16:15 Rendez the same way it caches all other configs
16:16 Jarda http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#general_22
16:16 sth You can do an <x:include> from the settings.xml if you just want to load another xml file
16:16 Rendez nice
16:16 Jarda but I can't see how your situation would need a special config handler
16:17 Rendez this is awesome
16:17 Rendez thanks you two
16:17 Jarda as you can have per environment rules liks <settings environment="development."><setting name="something">Something</setting></settings>
16:17 Jarda and of course use XInclude with a null fallback
16:17 Jarda that's what we use for database connections
16:19 Jarda http://pastie.org/1109969 (if you are interested)
16:20 Rendez sth: the xi:include approach we've taken already
16:20 Rendez ;)
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16:48 Rendez Jarda: yeah
16:49 Rendez I will need a special config handler class because I will need to validate the routing defined is valid and export the configs independently, to later be able to fetch the resulting array in the base action
16:50 Rendez the idea is to build an automated Master.php section where JS and CSS will be sourced in teh <head>
16:50 Rendez all of this upon matched routes, giving a lot of flexibility
16:50 Rendez to just load what's needed in every part of the web application
16:50 Rendez I'll start later and share here some results when I got something
16:50 Rendez ;)
16:51 Rendez I'm not the best at explaining with words
16:53 steffkes then use your hands ;D
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17:04 saracen $ruleset2010 = $this->getContext()->getModel('RateRuleset');
17:04 saracen $ruleset2010->setName('2010 Rules');
17:04 saracen opps
17:05 saracen accident paste
17:05 sth I totally have 2 lines of THAT project
17:05 sth Also, eww hard coding years in
17:05 saracen Just do me a favour and don't sell it
17:05 sth I think I will...
17:06 saracen sth: It's just prototyping, until theres an interface :)
17:06 MrJeep hello
17:06 MrJeep is there anything wrong with this createForwardContainer call ?
17:06 MrJeep http://pastie.org/1110057
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17:07 MrJeep even if I force it to use the 'read' method
17:07 MrJeep it still use 'write'
17:07 saracen MrJeep: Dunno. But I can tell you that you *might* want to use: Team/Group/Update
17:07 saracen Oh
17:07 saracen its just read/write thats the problem?
17:07 MrJeep yep
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17:13 saracen MrJeep: I can't see anything that's wrong with it
17:13 MrJeep I think I might have found what's wrong.. 2 min
17:15 MrJeep nop I haven't found it
17:22 MrJeep is it a bug ?
17:23 MrJeep or if the current request method is write, then a create a forward container and explicitly ask for a read method, write will override read ?
17:24 saracen I shouldn't have thought so, I mean AgaviView then calls createExecutionContainer in the execution container class
17:24 saracen Which specifically has this line:
17:24 saracen if($requestMethod === null) {
17:24 saracen $requestMethod = $this->getRequestMethod();
17:24 saracen }
17:24 saracen So only if you don't provide the arg, does it override it
17:25 saracen MrJeep: Try changing the method to 'shoelace' or something, and see if it creates an error anywhere
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17:26 MrJeep turns to the write method but not does throw an error
17:27 MrJeep and I'm using agavi 1.0.3
17:27 Wombert it definitely works
17:27 Wombert I just tested it here
17:28 MrJeep is there something wrong in my syntax then ?
17:30 Wombert no
17:30 Wombert dunno what the problem is, but I guess you're doing *something* wrong :)
17:30 MrJeep I have agavi 1.0.3 from pear
17:30 MrJeep i must be..
17:31 Wombert yeah, it definitely works fine with 1.0.3, I just tested it here with the sample app
17:32 Wombert what is the forward for, by the way?
17:32 MrJeep create form (once completed) -> update form (with a success message)
17:32 MrJeep wordpress-style I might say
17:32 saracen Why not redirect? :(
17:32 Wombert why don't you redirect?
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17:33 Wombert you should redirect...
17:33 saracen Because it prevents refresh reposts
17:33 Wombert since you're creating a new resource, I guess
17:34 MrJeep I thought it was cleaner that way. Otherwise I have to pass a "success-something" parameter to the url
17:35 saracen You can always set an attribute on the user. Then removeAttribute (which also returns it) and load it in the main template above everything. Flash message-style
17:35 MrJeep ah! makes sense
17:35 saracen if 487 is the trac ticket, which has examples of that
17:36 saracen -if
17:36 saracen http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/487
17:36 saracen There we go
17:36 saracen So you can throw in a bunch of messages, redirect the user. Upon render, it will display them once. if they refresh, they'll no longer exist
17:36 MrJeep great thanks!
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21:48 _cheerios i posted lolz on the facebook. great stuff http://stuffnoonetoldme.blogspot.com/
21:51 _cheerios for the gents http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VGsreexPmwc/TBlOMzHdx9I/AAAAAAAAA9Y/ewhDaKpLZ_Y/s1600/​16.jpg
21:54 jurica lol those are awesome!
21:59 _cheerios boredom makes one seek out the new. out of angry birds levels, gf out for a few days.
21:59 _cheerios boozing and programming home
22:10 _cheerios liking swype on android. wish it would support finnish...
23:08 sth try swipeit
23:08 sth essentially the same app, but has more languages
23:09 sth it's like $6 though
23:09 sth or you can commit piracy and download it through aptroide
23:10 sth aptoide*
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23:39 Rayne is swype really that good?
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23:57 _cheerios just testing it out so far, learning the shortcuts
23:58 _cheerios trying to make this touchscreen more usable for typing :)
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00:06 _cheerios found out that it's nigh impossible to type on these things while walking, which is a bit of a bummer :)
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06:55 jeeez do you guys know Shoan?
07:00 v-dogg yup
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07:06 jeeez nice :)
07:06 Jarda (who's shoan?) :)
07:06 v-dogg (as well as one really can know someone by just talking to him on IRC :)
07:10 jeeez he's my boss :\
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09:52 MikeSeth ohai
09:58 _cheerios ohai!
09:59 simoncpu lololol
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10:17 jurica hiho
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11:14 jeeez i'm trying to use slots with ez templates, but it doesn't work. i tried {use $slots} and {slots['nav']} but its not printing anything
11:14 jeeez any ideaS?
11:14 jeeez *ideas
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11:27 jeeez how do i check if i initialized the template right? i tried creating a dummy path to it, and the page renders fine
11:27 jeeez *init the slot
11:28 Jarda where is your slot defined?
11:28 Jarda registered dynamically in the view or defined in output_types.xml?
11:29 jeeez outpyt_types.xml
11:29 Jarda show code
11:29 Jarda (pastebin)
11:30 jeeez the whole file?
11:30 Jarda well yes
11:30 jeeez http://pastebin.com/F7gkEnAu
11:32 Jarda and are you loading a different layout than "standard" in your view?
11:32 Jarda and do you have Widgets.Navigation action in Default module?
11:33 jeeez the latter, i do. i tested it by creating a dummy path to that page
11:36 jeeez how do i check if some other layout is loaded?
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11:41 Jarda well the loading is done in View::setupHtml()
11:41 Jarda so you can figure it out there
11:41 Jarda but hmm..
11:41 Jarda most strange validation problem
11:55 Jarda sth: where's felix or david? :)
11:57 sth wut now?
11:58 Jarda need help with validators :)
11:58 sth just ask, I might be able to help
11:58 Jarda a sec
12:00 Jarda http://gist.github.com/547299
12:00 v-dogg a-what-hub-now?
12:01 v-dogg git is communism!
12:01 Jarda problem is, the first text input always sends an empty string, so the "atleastonerecipient" is never failing
12:02 sth use a different name for the text input
12:02 Jarda v-dogg: we are changing to git, didn't you hear it already?
12:02 Jarda sth: but I don't feel like merging them in action ?)
12:02 Jarda :)
12:02 sth stop being lazy :D
12:03 Jarda agavi should allow me being lazy :(
12:03 Jarda atleast by allowing me to export to end of array or something :)
12:04 Jarda and now I have to play around with OR-validator..
12:05 Jarda stupid agavi :(
12:05 sth u r stupid
12:06 Jarda not gonna say anything about your mother today.. ;)
12:06 sth why not? your mother was a hamster.
12:06 sth ..and your father smelled of elderberries.
12:10 Jarda hmm.. and now or validator is picking only the first one
12:10 Jarda what was that parameter called again..
12:10 Jarda break.
12:11 Jarda ok, well I'll go with this solution
12:11 Jarda allthough it's far from ideal!
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12:23 sth haha http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/demotivational-posters-com​-nom-nom-unism.jpg
12:23 sth sfw
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12:23 _cheerios :)
12:23 jurica haha
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14:22 _cheerios gah, ears ringing after mornings headphone music listening
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15:17 sth Anyone know of a colour picker for mootools that doesn't suck?
15:19 Jarda mootools sucks ;)
15:20 sth i know
15:20 saracen Knowing that, you've answered your own question
15:21 sth Fine, I'll reword, one that sucks slightly less than the rest
15:22 Jarda how about mooRainbow?
15:22 sth Doesn't work with recent versions
15:22 Jarda oh cool
15:23 Jarda change to jquery :)
15:23 sth It's not my project to choose
15:23 sth besides, I'd switch to Prototype
15:24 Jarda you are crazy
15:24 sth jQuery can suck a nut
15:28 steffkes +1 for jQ .. who (really) want's to change to PT and y?
15:34 krycek_ -1 for jQ :)
15:36 sth PT is just better
15:36 sth Of course, not using a JS lib is better
15:37 _cheerios crap, should've gone home while it wasn't raining yet.
15:45 horros Been raining most of the day here :(
15:45 horros Well, at least it gets the sekak?ytt?j?-scum off the streets.
15:47 sth bless you.
15:54 saracen sth: Have you bought tf2 yet?
15:54 sth no
15:54 sth ur buying it for me
15:56 saracen The last time I bought I game for people, the two of them became an item, one became jealous of my interations with the female one and in the heat of an argument, the female one lied to the male one and they haven't spoken to me since.
15:56 saracen I'm not falling for it again
15:57 sth lol
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16:14 CIA-48 david * r4587 /trunk/ (. src/exception/templates/plaintext.php): merge [4585:4586/branches/1.0]
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16:34 MrJeep hello!
16:34 MrJeep I'm having a hard time here with validators
16:34 MrJeep I'm wondering if someone can help
16:34 MrJeep my form has 3 fields :)
16:34 MrJeep and the user must fill either the first twos OR the last one
16:35 MrJeep I'm a bit confused with the AND and OR validators
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17:28 MikeSeth <or><and><v1><v2></and><v3></or>
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17:36 Wombert yeah that should work, MikeSeth
17:36 Wombert well
17:36 Wombert eh
17:36 Wombert MrJeep: either or, right?
17:36 Wombert then MikeSeth's solution won't work, as it would allow filling all three
17:36 Wombert use xor instead
17:36 MrJeep oh sorry, I found it out
17:36 Wombert that should do
17:37 sth :)
17:37 MrJeep I did the same as MikeSeth
17:37 MrJeep and it's working :)
17:37 sth mm I think burgermeister for dinner tonight.
17:37 MrJeep ... but I'll take a look at the xor
17:38 sth It's possibly the best burger I've ever had
17:54 Wombert MrJeep: but you can fill all three validators, right?
17:54 Wombert and it will work?
17:54 Wombert (unless that is what you want)
17:54 Wombert the xor should fix that
17:55 MrJeep either the two first or the last one, thanks for pointing it out and therefore I'll use the xor validator ;)
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18:44 _cheerios pizza + turkish yoghurt (not together) = feeling sleepy
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19:26 Jarda Wombert: I hate <or> validator having break=false by default
19:27 Jarda maybe I should subclass AgaviOrValidator and define it to be the "or" validator
19:27 Jarda and have it use break=true as default
19:29 Jarda http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_U0X1cbYoYSA/THN-Nowrj2I/AAAAAAAAB_o/dZqa3ArVVOo/s1600/​6127.jpg
19:29 v-dogg should be easy to re-define in validators.xml
19:29 Jarda v-dogg: it is
19:29 v-dogg I mean redefine the default
19:29 Jarda oh
19:29 Jarda ok
19:29 Jarda true
19:29 Jarda in <validator_definitions>
19:29 v-dogg yup
19:29 Jarda I start to sound like david
19:30 Jarda writing one word per line
19:30 Jarda only my lines don't make as much sense :)
19:31 Wombert :p
19:31 Wombert people have been telling me that ever since I started using IRC
19:31 Wombert too many lines
19:32 Wombert why
19:32 Wombert :<
19:32 Jarda germans and their small talk..
19:32 Jarda just blabla and no real stuff ;)
19:33 Jarda Wombert: is there a way to register filters programmatically?
19:33 Jarda or do I have to define them in global/action_filters.xml?
19:36 Wombert action_filters.xml
19:36 Wombert or, uh, meh, dunno
19:39 Jarda but I kinda would need to register them programmatically
19:39 Jarda via my own config handler or similar
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20:16 MrJeep extend the controller object maybe (or the object that's used to register the filter) ?
20:16 MrJeep (wild guessing...)
20:17 graste ?
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20:25 _cheerios LA LA LA LA LAA....
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22:07 _cheerios ah. one problem down, next.
22:30 _cheerios finnish big brother 2010 participant pics http://www.iltasanomat.fi/kuvagalleria/frame.asp?id=79558 (yeah, i know you wanted this!)
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07:55 jeeez is it possible to have more than just submit in a form?
07:55 Jarda more than one?
07:55 Jarda or then please reformat your question :)
07:55 jeeez as in, two buttons each of which take the info to different places
07:55 Jarda yes and know
07:55 Jarda fdsjkl?sjfsdls?a
07:56 Jarda yes and no
07:56 Jarda (my english, again..)
07:56 Jarda you can have several submits
07:56 jeeez but wont they all lead to the same action?
07:56 Jarda but they all post to the same action you have defined in <form action="">
07:57 jeeez hmm
07:57 Jarda but if you validate the value of the submit
07:58 Jarda you can do $rd->hasParameter('myotherbutton')
07:58 Jarda and switch view/redirect/etc
07:59 jeeez that sounds interesting, so inside executeWrite, if it has that parameter, then i execute a different action, right?
07:59 Jarda no
07:59 Jarda normally you don't want to excute actions inside actions..
07:59 jeeez i mean a different function from the model
07:59 Jarda oh, that one, yes
07:59 jeeez typo, sorry about that
07:59 Jarda no problem
08:00 Jarda I have done something like:
08:00 Jarda if ($rd->hasParameter('saveandpublish')) { $model->saveAndPublish($data); } else { $model->save($data); }
08:01 jeeez and an empty validator for the button would do?
08:01 Jarda well a isset-validator or string validator will do
08:01 jeeez cool, thanks :)
08:01 Jarda remember to mark as required=false
08:01 jeeez yup
08:01 Jarda and you of course have to give the submit a name
08:02 Jarda in my case it would be <input type="submit" name="saveandpublish" value="Save and Publish" />
08:03 Jarda I have also done somehing like this: I have two buttons, "Save" and "Save and continue editing" in view I then check which one was pushed and then redirect either to some front page or then back to the edit template
08:04 jeeez kind of what i'm looking for :) give me a few mins, i'll try it out and get back to you
08:04 Jarda yup
08:14 jeeez complication. :\ the validation rules are different for different buttons.
08:15 Jarda oh so you mean "if button A is pressed, validate fields 1,2,3, if button B, then validate fields 1,3,4,5"
08:15 Jarda or something more complex?
08:15 jeeez not even that complex
08:15 jeeez let me explain my scenario
08:15 Jarda yup
08:16 simoncpu i think i encountered that same problem
08:16 simoncpu recalls how he implemented his validation
08:16 simoncpu can't recall
08:16 jeeez i have a registration page with a normal reg and fb reg options
08:17 jeeez so the user can fill up the forms and click Register or leave them empty and just click 'FB Registration'
08:17 jeeez for the latter, i don't need any data from the user, so the fields can be blank
08:17 Jarda well that's easy
08:17 simoncpu fields can be set to optional
08:17 Jarda simoncpu: no, you are wrong
08:18 simoncpu Jarda: no, i am simon.
08:18 Jarda == 'wrong'
08:18 simoncpu Jarda: you are jarda :p
08:18 jeeez simoncpu: if i do that, normal registration's validation will break :\
08:18 Jarda jeeez: a sec
08:18 jeeez sure
08:19 simoncpu i think the normal registration button can be set to depend on other fields
08:20 jeeez [excuse me if i'm wrong :\ ] if i do that, wont it still ignore blank fields that have required=false?
08:21 Jarda jeeez: http://gist.github.com/548959
08:21 simoncpu jeeez: no, i'm wrong, but i love to sow confusion amongst humanity
08:21 simoncpu mwahahaha
08:21 Jarda that should work
08:22 jeeez simoncpu: but Jarda's solution seems to do what you suggested!
08:22 simoncpu yeah... lololol
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10:27 MikeSeth huomenta minna-san
10:50 simoncpu arigato roboto
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11:30 Rendez Huomenta!
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11:31 Yossi_B Huomenta
11:31 Rendez anybody has a friend, or past co-worker or contact that might be interested in this possition? please let me know http://jobs.freelanceswitch.com/jobs/8996
11:31 Yossi_B How can I build urls for static files without saving per environment settings ?
11:32 v-dogg Yossi_B?
11:32 Yossi_B yes
11:33 Yossi_B I mean non relative urls
11:34 Rendez non-relative?
11:34 Rendez unless you create a routing line for it...
11:34 Rendez there's no other way
11:34 Yossi_B so if I have my project on http://dev/~yossi/projectname/ - so I want to generate a url like http://dev/~yossi/projectname/images/someimgae.jpg
11:35 Yossi_B and to make it still work when I move to production and it has a real domain
11:35 Yossi_B no can do?
11:36 Rendez use relative urls
11:36 Rendez always
11:36 Rendez if http://dev/~yossi/projectname/ is your index, then the same will apply for production
11:36 Rendez so you just need to add "images/" to settings
11:37 Rendez <settings prefix="com.projectname"><setting name="images">assets/images/</setting></settings>
11:37 Rendez <?php echo AgaviConfig::get('com.projectname.images'); ?>myimage.jpg
11:38 Rendez if... that's your question
11:43 v-dogg if it really is a static file just use src="images/someimage.jpg" and make sure your base href is correct
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11:54 Rendez the good thing about defining routes of common use in settings is that if you change the folder name or w/e you can just change 1 line in settings
12:00 Yossi_B Rendez: The url must be non-relative - it's passed to another application on another domain
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12:01 Rendez so?
12:01 Rendez it's the base href what changes, so you can still use relative urls
12:01 Rendez if the images url's change from environment, then you're doing something odd
12:02 Yossi_B how do I get - http://dev/~yossi/projectname/ - that part
12:02 Rendez if you have no option, 'cause you might not have control over that, then you need to define a route in settings.xml that is different from each other
12:02 Yossi_B what I mean is
12:02 Yossi_B The URL
12:02 Rendez $this->getContext()->getRouting()->getBaseHref()?
12:02 Yossi_B is sent to another project - via an API -
12:03 Rendez and you don't need that part, if it's the BASE
12:03 Rendez what are you exactly trying to do..
12:03 Yossi_B ah right, baseHref...
12:03 Yossi_B that's what I needed
12:04 Yossi_B basicly its an app that uploads images on one domain and sends the urls to another domain... forgot about getBaseHref
12:04 Yossi_B Thanks
12:08 Jarda nono
12:08 Jarda $routing->gen('my.route', array(), array('relative' => false));
12:09 v-dogg no no, we are dealing with static files here, not routes
12:10 Jarda ok, too much lines
12:10 Jarda didn't bother reading through :)
12:11 Jarda well ok, for static files you can do $ro->getBaseHref() . 'something/something.jpg'
12:11 Yossi_B yes :)
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13:30 E_mE if i'm using the Console context in agavi, but what to get the Web Base HREF via $ro->getBaseHref(); is it possible to do so? Just currently im getting "Call to undefined method AgaviConsoleRouting::getBaseHref()"
13:30 E_mE which i understand why
13:30 E_mE but wondering if there is a work around
13:31 Jarda E_mE: $this->getContext('web')->getRouting()->...
13:31 Jarda should work
13:31 Jarda actually hmm.
13:31 v-dogg statically
13:31 Jarda should it maybe be AgaviContext::getInstance('web')
13:31 E_mE can you run more then one context at a time?
13:31 E_mE ill try :)
13:32 Jarda yup, AgaviContext::getInstance('web')->getRouting() should work
13:32 E_mE fingers crossed..
13:32 E_mE just testing now
13:36 E_mE success, thaks jarda
13:36 Jarda no probs
13:38 E_mE jarda, actually.. the output appears to be: http://SERVER_NAME:0./
13:38 E_mE not correct
13:38 Jarda hmm
13:38 Jarda v-dogg: a little help here ;)
13:39 E_mE i guess it gets the URL based on the PHP global variables
13:39 v-dogg ah, of course. it doesn't have $_SERVER stuff in console context
13:40 Jarda but you should be able to pass the hostnames in Routing::gen()
13:40 v-dogg or define them in factories.xml
13:40 Jarda oh, that too
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13:42 v-dogg fiuu... just in time before Wombs came and started to yell at us...
13:42 Jarda Wombert: I can't use shiny.. it won't render :)
13:42 Jarda (and I know why)
13:43 Wombert Jarda: wat hapen
13:43 Jarda Wombert: http://gist.github.com/549333
13:44 Wombert sighs
13:44 Wombert E_mE: ...
13:44 Wombert ...
13:44 Wombert ...
13:44 Wombert https://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1285
13:44 Jarda maybe it's our User::shutdown() or something that dies because it can't insert to database..
13:44 Wombert E_mE: check http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1285
13:44 Jarda but it still makes the shiny not to render
13:44 Wombert Jarda: that's not a problem in shiny.php
13:44 Wombert Jarda: shutdown function throws an exception
13:45 E_mE thankss guys
13:45 Wombert E_mE: you don't have host or port on console, obviously
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13:45 Wombert so you need to define that statically
13:45 Wombert with 1.0.4+, you can also define the prefix, which is necessary
13:45 E_mE Wombert: ja, thats what i thought when i saw http://SERVER_NAME:0./
13:45 Jarda Wombert: so should we fix our shutdown to be quiet or just use plaintext? :)
13:45 Wombert Jarda: figure out why shutdown dies
13:45 Wombert it shouldn't do that
13:46 Wombert Jarda: it's not a problem in shiny.php
13:46 Wombert fix the underlying issue
13:46 Jarda Wombert: I know why User::shutdown() dies. (It's the same reason why I get the exception, actually)
13:46 v-dogg the problem is shiny breaking and firefox going bananas
13:46 Jarda but still it makes things a bit hard to debug when I can't get any rendered output
13:47 Jarda plaintext is always readable :)
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14:00 Wombert eh?
14:00 Wombert wat?
14:00 Wombert rofl
14:00 Wombert wait, what?
14:00 Wombert firefox shows nothing at all?
14:01 Wombert that's gay :)
14:01 Wombert safari renders up until the parse error :)
14:01 Wombert get a real browser :)
14:02 Jarda firefox shows just an "this xml is not well formed, bla bla"
14:02 Jarda I'll get a real browser once all the necessary plugins are available for webkit
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14:13 Wombert Jarda: safari has extensions :)
14:13 Wombert and I'm not using a single one of them :)
14:13 Wombert although I wanted to write a secure login extension that warns when filling out a login form that was delivered over HTTP
14:13 Wombert that might be a nice idea
14:13 Wombert it could check in the background if the page works via https:// and then auto redirect
14:14 Wombert and it would block submitting then over http altogether
14:14 Wombert *them
14:14 Jarda Firefox plugins I use (and need): Modify Headers, Web Developer, Firebug, FirePHP, JSONView, Selenium IDE
14:15 Jarda Firebug (kinda) is replacable with webkits dev tools
14:16 Jarda but firephp is the one most needed extension because of adt, couldn't live without
14:18 Wombert ja
14:25 saracen lives without adt :P
14:26 Jarda well that's why I'm better than you :)
14:26 saracen Your mum says different
14:26 Jarda my mum is mute..
14:27 saracen s/says/signs/
14:27 Jarda she doesn't have hands..
14:27 saracen Oh well, the things I did to her didn't require her to
14:32 Jarda now you made me sad..
14:32 saracen :(
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14:54 Wombert :<
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15:11 E_mE Wombert: whats you feelings of exporting branches/1.0 to a production app, is it stable?
15:21 horros wait, uh, how did I set the view to use a different template than the "default" again?
15:21 horros been away too long again :x
15:22 saracen horros: $this->getLayer('content')->setTemplate('WetFish')
15:22 horros Hmm, NetBeans didn't offer a setTemplate there
15:22 horros stupid pos
15:26 Wombert it's a __call overload, horros
15:26 Wombert setParameter('template', 'WetFish')
15:30 horros Ah, I see.
15:30 horros Makes sense.
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15:42 saracen wonders why it's a __call overload
15:44 horros Hmm, so, any clever ideas how to handle a) site-wide skins and b) per-user preferences for skins?
15:45 horros mainly the part of preferrably autoloading the templates from a different directory based on the preference
15:45 horros which would also involve me only having to edit the base view or somesuch :)
15:45 saracen horros: You mean, you want theme overrides?
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15:46 saracen So there's a base theme, then you can override it?
15:46 horros well, I want the admin to be able to switch the old theme to the modern theme site-wide, but also for users to be able to switch it back to the old theme if they feel like it.
15:47 horros things is, I'd rather not edit every view and add some ->setTemplate('modern/Foobar'); ->setTemplate('modern/Barfoo'); etc etc
15:47 saracen Yeah, you don't have to. I have a themes directory. Where I can place a specific file in, which will override a template
15:48 saracen The theme folder is named. So in user startup, or w/e, you could select their specific theme
15:48 horros yes, but how do I tell Agavi to load templates from said folder?
15:49 saracen lemme add a bunch of stuff to pastebin for you
15:49 Wombert that's easy, horros
15:49 Wombert you use the "targets" list
15:49 horros Wombert: I suspect it is, but I'm too stupid to figure it out :(
15:49 Wombert just like Agavi does internally to prefer localized templates over buildin ones
15:49 Wombert *builtin
15:49 Wombert arjkasdha
15:49 Wombert not builtin
15:49 Wombert normal
15:49 Wombert blah
15:49 Wombert you get the idea
15:49 Wombert looks for code
15:50 Wombert looks for code
15:50 horros Yeah, I thought I could probably use that to my advantage somehow
15:50 Wombert http://github.com/digitarald/redracer/commit/961c6ac0528f148b75ae2a02de39a573b82​678f3
15:50 saracen http://pastebin.com/2mJh4hmS
15:50 Wombert http://github.com/digitarald/redracer/commit/a56e49396f8f6189d6b5ec252ab5e6ca3f7​e2438
15:50 Wombert http://github.com/digitarald/redracer/commit/30cd893d6c2cbcda8f34be59dd723bf6e5c​83d97
15:50 horros but I suppose it's better to ask and get the proper way to do it instead of hacking about and mucking around with a ton of stuff best let alone :)
15:51 Wombert then in the base view or so, override setLayer() or bleh and set a default theme
15:51 saracen horros: Make sure you read my paste. I highlighted the specific areas you'll wait for the output types. :P
15:51 Wombert or something
15:51 Wombert ${foo} is simply a parameter on the layer
15:52 horros I see!
15:52 saracen http://pastebin.com/idQNuEsN
15:53 horros I shall fetch me another cup of coffee and investigate. Thanks :)
15:53 horros Finally starting to get around to porting our app, which presents a neat opportunity to redesign a lot of layouts which plainly just suck.
15:53 Wombert porting to... 1.0?
15:54 saracen horros: You should pay me peanuts to help you.
15:54 horros Wombert: Yessir. Still running 0.10 with some hacks from 0.11 and whatnot :(
15:54 horros And it annoys me to no end.
15:54 horros saracen: I'd rather do it myself + have cow-workers do it so everyone learns their way around 1.0
15:56 Wombert oh dear
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19:27 macen vroom, SSD how to guide by yours truly.. http://ssd.youds.com/
19:27 macen can't recommend it enough, thanks for whoever mentioned it :)
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19:59 _cheerios kala-nom-nom-kukko http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalakukko
20:10 Rayne hey guys, how was the swype alternative for android named (ot ftw)?
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20:16 _cheerios swipeit? i tried looking for it in the market, found nothng
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20:17 Rayne which mobile do you use _cheerios ?
20:18 _cheerios samsung galaxy s
20:19 Rayne the 1ghz thing?
20:19 _cheerios waiting for official update. needs lag-fix + android 2.2.
20:19 _cheerios yeah
20:19 Rayne well, i need some fuckin fixes for the alarm clock and the 3,5 jack (remove it and the internal player starts to play … fail) …
20:20 Rayne (motorola milestone, the european droid)
20:21 horros I quite like my HTC Desire.
20:21 Jarda I almost like my HTC Hero
20:21 Rayne i like the milestone but motorola seems to break every firmware release
20:21 Jarda a few fucking annoying things
20:21 Jarda which might get solved upgrding to 2.1
20:22 Jarda haven't had the time to do it yet
20:22 Rayne i hope they will ship 2.2 without some stupid bugs
20:22 _cheerios everything seems to work ok'ish enough on my phone, just that it lags sometimes, eg. bring up the "phone feature" of this mobile sometimes takes seconds; to start to make a phone call.
20:23 Jarda well the phone feature is just an addon ;)
20:23 Rayne that's awful …
20:23 _cheerios most annoying thing is the lock-button, which is hard to press, and i oft find my phone unlocked taking it out of the pocket; i probably need a non-default swipe pattern
20:25 Jarda hey. Am I completely stupid, if I make a custom "UserLoginValidator"
20:25 Jarda which takes the clear password and login id as arguments
20:25 Jarda and then populates user and sets authenticated and stuff
20:27 Rayne meh, no "swipe it" in the milestone store but it displays "kamasutra: etc. pp." as alternative. oh wow
20:32 _cheerios new kindles on sale, hmm, buy button where are you...
20:33 _cheerios odd, have to order from amazon.com if not in UK
20:33 Rayne you would buy a kindle to buy overpriced old books? wth is wrong with you?
20:33 Rayne Jarda, what is wrong with your idea?
20:34 _cheerios Order now for mid-September delivery: Due to strong customer demand, Kindle is temporarily sold out.
20:34 _cheerios to put stuff (pdfs, books) to read whilst commuting and otherwise out
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20:46 _cheerios adobe reader is out for android, can get good stuff from gutenberg
20:50 _cheerios reading experience is good, in landscape mode.
20:50 Jarda Rayne: nothing, I guess
20:50 Jarda hmm.. can you spot why this isn't working: <route pattern="application/json" source="_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT]" output_type="json" stop="false" />
20:50 _cheerios if text would flow better in pdfs horizontal would work good, now the text is a just a wee-bit tiny
20:52 Wombert Jarda: looks good (compare to sample app, it's there too)
20:52 Wombert Jarda: not the first route or anything?
20:53 Wombert gotta go, sorry
20:53 Jarda Wombert: it's the first rout
20:54 Jarda hmm.. it might actually help to have the json output type declared
20:56 Jarda yup, that was it :D
20:56 Jarda stupid (or tired)
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21:55 _cheerios annoying, dropbox sync patchy lately; need to restart it for sync to really work
22:11 FMJaguar dropbox used to crash my pc, i replaced the network card and it works ok now
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22:27 MikeSeth that's strange
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05:07 Jarda q
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08:29 _cheerios huomenta
08:33 ttj Yo.
08:34 ttj Goddamnit. Trying to pack shit for a trip with a hangover is pure hell.
08:35 Jarda you fail.
08:35 ttj Pfft. I consider this winning. I actually woke up and there's still like 4 hours until boarding starts.
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09:27 sth fail!
09:50 v-dogg how do people deploy javascript files (with Agavi)? we are beginning to have so many small files that I'd like to compress them into one or a few files automatically
09:54 simoncpu i just put it at the pub folder
09:54 simoncpu ah... you mean, yahoo compressor?
09:57 Jarda simoncpu: yahoo compressor isn't very automatic..
09:57 Jarda if we have to do it by hand on every deployment..
09:58 v-dogg it can be automated
09:59 Jarda oh, ok
09:59 v-dogg or well, don't know about yahoo but YUI (used by Mootools) is a open source Java lib
10:06 v-dogg but but but.. hmm..
10:07 v-dogg what we do now - as we use very little javascript - is tell what javascript files to load in a view
10:07 _cheerios i put all files in a css/ dir, grab 'em, pack 'em, and store as packed.1231411.js
10:08 sth js in css/, are you crazy?
10:08 _cheerios er, typo, css/ + js/ both separate ofc
10:09 _cheerios only problem is i file-order -preference at times; eg. jquery this needs to load before jquery that.
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10:10 v-dogg then I'd need some environment specific config to figure out what file(s) to load
10:10 _cheerios i used to list css+js in some config file, then just resorted to loading all i had in dirs, and removing shit i dont use :)
10:14 Jarda browser generally do cache js well, true?
10:14 Jarda *browsers
10:14 Jarda so everything that is common, could be loaded already in login view
10:14 sth yes
10:15 Jarda so that the first page load takes a bit longer
10:15 Jarda and after that they come from cache until you do cache refresh?
10:16 Jarda but the problem is, that we have some js files that are like $('input').click(function() { doSomethingVerySpecificThatCannotBeCommon(); });
10:16 Jarda that are loaded only per view
10:16 Jarda either we would have to start using very unique class names and or id's or then continue loading js-files per view
10:16 Jarda and that makes minifying and combining files difficult..
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10:43 Yossi_B Huomenta
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11:22 tlkshadow huomenta
11:23 tlkshadow i have a problem
11:23 tlkshadow it is very simple i think
11:23 tlkshadow so i created a new action view template
11:23 tlkshadow cald Admin_Sample_SampleOverviewAction.class.php
11:24 tlkshadow and the view an the template
11:24 tlkshadow but every time i go to the page
11:24 tlkshadow Firefox throw an error: Content Encoding error
11:25 tlkshadow but all the Files r utf-8 and the html is also utf-8
11:25 MikeSeth examine the output in firebug
11:25 horros gently weeps and continues to trudge through about 15 old Propel 1.2 criteria and rewriting it all into a huge query with ModelCriteria
11:25 tlkshadow if i write exit(); 4 the class Admin_Station_StationOverviewSuccessView extends AdminBaseView {... i get a white page
11:26 MikeSeth tlkshadow: firebutg
11:26 MikeSeth firebug*
11:26 tlkshadow whats whit firebug?
11:26 tlkshadow with
11:28 MikeSeth tlkshadow: use it to diagnose what the actual HTTP output is
11:28 tlkshadow <parsererror>XML-Verarbeitungsfehler: Kein Element gefunden Adresse: http://localhost/xampp/appdev%20-%20ROOT/sites/obt/pub/index.php/Admin/Sample/Ue​bersicht Zeile Nr. 1, Spalte 1:<sourcetext>^</sourcetext></parsererror>
11:28 tlkshadow it is german.. =)
11:28 tlkshadow XML Validationerror
11:28 MikeSeth then you have invalid XML somewhere :>
11:28 tlkshadow hmm
11:28 tlkshadow sucks
11:28 horros It's probably the fancy shiny exception template that's causing it.
11:28 tlkshadow but all otherpages are working
11:29 horros If my German is any good.
11:29 horros try switching to the plaintext exception template and see if you get an error out of it.
11:29 MikeSeth yeah possible
11:29 MikeSeth tlkshadow: flip the exception template in app/config/output_types
11:30 horros I had similar errors too, and it was caused by something throwin an exception and the shiny template barfing in some way.
11:37 tlkshadow ok mom
11:38 tlkshadow in app/config/output_types?
11:39 tlkshadow u mean settings.xcml
11:39 tlkshadow xml
11:39 tlkshadow ?
11:40 horros You can set it in both.
11:40 sth tlkshadow: enable logging in settings.xml
11:41 sth you'll be able to see what agavi is trying to output
11:41 horros in output_types, <output_type name="html" exception_template="%core.agavi_dir%/exception/templates/plaintext.php">
11:41 horros or somesuch
11:41 sth something like that
11:41 sth But if you enable logging, like I said, you'll be able to see the XML error
11:41 tlkshadow nothing happens
11:41 sth Since it'll write a file in app/log
11:42 sth if it has permissions to write there
11:42 horros ooor in settings.xml <ee:configuration environment="whatnot"><exception_template><exception_template>%core.agavi_dir%/.​...../plaintext.php</exception_template></exception_templates></ae:configuration>
11:43 horros err, environment="blah"><exception_templates><exception_template>
11:43 tlkshadow <exception_templates><exception_template>%core.agavi_dir%/exception/templates/pl​aintext.php</exception_template><exception_template context="console">%core.agavi_dir%/exception/templates/plaintext.php</exception_​template></exception_templates>
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11:45 tlkshadow http://pastebin.org/774987
11:46 tlkshadow http://pastebin.org/774990
11:52 tlkshadow nothing changed
11:52 tlkshadow no log files
11:58 MikeSeth tlkshadow: umm
11:58 MikeSeth the first thing I'd do is manual HTTP request or sniffing with firebug/tamperdata to see what comes out
11:59 tlkshadow what does tamperdata mean
12:00 steffkes http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=tamperdata
12:01 MikeSeth tlkshadow: it's a firefox extension that allows you to forge HTTP requests
12:02 tlkshadow ah
12:02 tlkshadow ok
12:02 MikeSeth I prefer firebug for this kind of thing
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12:28 macen http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1001167 woop
12:28 macen love the new mac :>
12:29 macen was a bit scary taking the logic board out heh
12:30 macen <- update
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13:34 horros humms
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14:54 horros slaps Propel
14:55 Jarda don't
14:56 horros unslaps Propel
14:56 horros slaps ModelCriteria
14:56 Jarda don't
14:56 Jarda I like ModelCriteria
14:57 horros I've an object A and an object B. B has a fk to A. I can't figure out how to do a query on A based on some criteria for B
14:57 Jarda hmm, so B -> A is one->many ?
14:58 Jarda no
14:58 Jarda A->B is one->many ?
14:58 horros No, B->A is a many to one
14:58 horros that is, many B's can reference the same A
14:59 Jarda well that's not trivial with normal sql either then, is it?
14:59 saracen slaps Propel
14:59 horros and A doesn't need to know if there are any Bs referencing it.
14:59 horros Jarda: Sure it is. SELECT * FROM a LEFT JOIN b ON (a.id = b.ref_a)
14:59 horros or somesuch.
15:00 Jarda horros: ok, but then you get multiple a's?
15:00 horros don't care.
15:00 Jarda you should, please be more specific with your question
15:00 horros and frankly, I won't, because the criteria I slap on B is guaranteed to only return one B if said B exists.
15:00 Jarda oh, ok
15:04 Jarda well that is a tricky case indeed
15:04 horros What I basically have is an object B that has a start and an end date. It's not possible to have two B's within the same time period (ie B2 starting between B1.start and B1.end)
15:04 horros and I need to filter As based on which is the current B
15:04 horros :)
15:05 Jarda and there's no good "works for all" way of implementing that in an ORM
15:05 Jarda as mostly the situations for those relations arent 1:1
15:06 horros aye.
15:07 Jarda but actually
15:07 Jarda you should be able to do
15:08 Jarda AQuery::create()->useBQuery()->filterBySomeBProperty($foo)->endUse()
15:11 horros Hmm. Thanks, I'll look into that.
15:11 Jarda I always that works only the other way round
15:11 Jarda +thought
15:40 _cheerios http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Co6GAaXFw
15:40 _cheerios it's almost friday...
15:40 _cheerios (nsfw)
15:41 _cheerios CONTAINS MAN CHEEKS
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15:52 Jarda nono
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16:14 MikeSeth el oh el
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16:45 asonge has anyone ever attempted to export the xml from the validators into javascript to create a client-side validator?
16:46 MrJeep I actually returned the validation data in json format
16:47 MrJeep then process it in JS and add some error tags
16:47 asonge how are you grabbing the validator data?
16:47 asonge is it stored in some array somewhere?
16:49 MrJeep yeah, 1 min i'll paste you some code
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16:51 saracen lol macen
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16:52 MrJeep I think it's going to take longer than 2 min since my linux dev server crashed
16:52 MrJeep once again
16:52 macen saracen: what's the catch
16:52 MrJeep ( this is crazy a VM crash the whole system down)
16:53 saracen macen: No catch. Just your presence, it makes me laugh.
16:53 macen saracen: having skin flare ups today?
16:54 saracen No, why? Does your presence usually do that to people?
16:55 macen saracen: you're unusually hostile
16:55 saracen I am? Does your presence usually make people unusually hostile?
16:55 macen i like that you monitor my entry and exit from the room
16:55 macen that's sweet
16:56 macen if i answer the question with a question will that make it ok?
16:56 saracen I made a script to alert me
16:56 macen go get some E45 and do one
16:57 saracen do one?
16:59 sth Indeed, do one
17:00 saracen Fuck it, I might even do two.
17:00 sth saracen: I'm coming to hunt you down
17:01 saracen when?
17:02 saracen btw, I don't live in peterborough anymore :P
17:02 saracen Plus, your family all died in the bombing. I don't know why you'd want to return to a ruin
17:02 sth lol
17:03 sth I lived in Germany, so I'm used to living in bombed out cities :D
17:03 saracen Yeah, but Peterborough was already a ruin. Ruin x2 is like nothing you've ever seen
17:03 saracen Well, just imagine your face
17:03 saracen but slightly better looking
17:03 saracen ruin x2.
17:09 sth So what you're saying is, Peterborough now looks like someone has hit you in the face with a crowbar 100 times, set you on fire, subjected you to the spanish inquisition and then strapped you to the world trade center on 11-9
17:10 saracen Yes, but worse. The kids on the back of the bus, playing their 28kbps mp3s managed to survive.
17:10 saracen So, I guess your parents might still be alive afterall.
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18:50 macen bye
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19:14 MrJeep in global filters, is it possible to make all validation error displayed at the top of the form ?
19:14 MrJeep I'm pretty sure it is
19:14 MrJeep (but I don't quite know how)
19:21 v-dogg wait a sec, I'll show you
19:21 MrJeep thnx
19:22 asonge MrJeep: you ever find that code to grab the validator structure?
19:22 v-dogg http://blog.veikko.fi/post/75101068/agavi-tip-automatic-output-of-validation-err​ors
19:24 v-dogg MrJeep: parameters under "error_messages" are pretty straight forward should you want to change something
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19:25 MrJeep thanks, it's pretty straightforward indeed
19:25 MrJeep asonge: 1 min (for real this time)
19:27 asonge hehe, i've got time before putting in clientside validation
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19:27 MrJeep http://pastie.org/1118400
19:27 asonge days, actually
19:27 asonge oh, i wanted it before it ran
19:28 asonge i'll poke around, though
19:29 asonge basically, i want to send the structure of the xml file down to javascript and reimplement the validators i use
19:29 asonge so there's not even an xhr
19:29 asonge unless required by the class
19:31 MrJeep asonge: there is js class I made to display the errors : http://pastie.org/1118409
19:31 MrJeep oh
19:31 MrJeep ok you really what the content of the file
19:31 MrJeep not the errors
19:31 asonge right
19:32 asonge i'd like it after all the parsing agavi seems to do
19:36 MrJeep isn't it stored in cache/config ?
19:37 asonge looking
19:37 Jarda it is in cached config
19:37 Jarda but it's not that easy to parse runtime
19:38 Jarda I have bugged agavi devs many times about the possibility to export the validation data easily for client side validation, but they haven't had any decent method
19:38 Jarda else than submiting with a "dryrun=1" parameter etc after every input change
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20:10 asonge yeah, i'm looking into it and it seems to be tied into the AgaviExecutionContainer having the correct methods, so it at least has to be a post req to load the write validators...
20:12 Jarda I have always wanted to find the time to investigate it deeper
20:12 Jarda even come up with a solution
20:25 asonge i think i might've come up with something...messy.
20:29 asonge oh my...isn't the speshul.
20:29 asonge you can't get the arguments, it's a protected method
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20:43 asonge Jarda: i've got it. a bit of a hack to get around protected data ;)
20:44 asonge you have to make a fake validator and extend validator to get access to getValidators()
20:46 asonge getArguments*
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21:00 Jarda yup
21:07 asonge okay, this is too insane now.
21:07 asonge i think i might just patch up the Validator object myself for a hack.
21:07 Jarda whit some tweaks to AgaviValidator it shouldn't be that hard to have a common solution
21:08 asonge the problem i'm running into now is protected children on the Or validator...and anything else like that.
21:08 asonge any validator with children
21:08 Jarda and with the upcomin 1.1 and it's response attributes I might even find the time to create a full Client side Validation Framework for agavi
21:09 asonge how far away is 1.1?
21:10 Jarda david keeps talking about "a few months"
21:10 Jarda but he has been saying that a while already :)
21:11 Jarda http://gist.github.com/552008 here's what I've got this far
21:11 Jarda had to modify the getArguments to be public
21:12 Jarda would be interesting to investigate this a bit more
21:14 asonge the problem is you have to edit all the validators with children
21:15 asonge add a getChildren() method
21:15 Jarda yup
21:16 Jarda but If I would be doing this properly, I would be doing some more inspection while looping
21:16 Jarda and make 1:1 javascript validators to match the php validators
21:16 Jarda one day when I find the time..
21:26 asonge right
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22:53 jurica hates rearranging all the windows on the laptop screen when pluging in an external screen
22:58 steffkes UltraMon <3
23:00 jurica meh crappy windows tool ;)
23:12 jurica steffkes: does ultra mon really remember window possitions and arranges all windows on their old positions?
23:12 steffkes hrhr yeah .. it does :) work's perfectly at the old agency .. where i used an laptop standalone or w/ two external monitors.
23:13 steffkes no idea .. how it does .. but it does. i'm pretty sure there is at least one fanboy which offers an mac-version of it? ;o
23:14 jurica im looking for somethink like this for a long time...
23:16 steffkes you're joking? can't believe that .. but never used a mac myself
23:17 jurica perhaps im using wrong search terms... gut even "ultramon+mac os x" doesnt find anything new
23:19 steffkes "If so, OS X supports multiple monitors right out of the box, and it works well enough you shouldn't need a third-party addon for this functionality." .. haha, fanboy-talk :D
23:19 steffkes yeah jurica just searched for it .. discussions from 2005 .. and one statement from realtimesoft in mid of 2009 . that there is no plan to port it to mac :/ sry
23:20 jurica hmm that would be a good point to start osx coding...
23:20 asonge steffkes: mac comes with something like that (ish)
23:20 asonge steffkes: it's a beefed up version of linux's spaces
23:20 asonge workspaces*
23:21 asonge you can assign apps to open in certain desktops
23:21 jurica thats not what were talking about
23:21 steffkes i think, that will even work on mac :D
23:21 asonge osx automatically remembers where you closed your windows so *shrug*
23:21 jurica yep out of the box since leopard
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08:37 _cheerios huomenta
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09:11 horros Huomenta.
09:16 graste huomenta
09:16 horros Question; If I do a propel query and get back a bunch of objects, and I then shove it at a template and do things like echo $object->getName(); and whatnot.. What if I have some 20-odd relations that I also need to output, but need to filter them? As in, foreach($object->getSomeStuffz() as $blah) or whatnot, and I need someStuffz to be filtered by, say, a start and an end date?
09:17 horros I'm whole heartedly against what in the Java world is called Open Session In View, but there doesn't seem to be a neat way to trigger hydrating of related objects in propel according to some criteria :|
09:18 horros I suppose I have to write a completely different (agavi) model for all of this junk.
09:18 horros Which, quite frankly, sucks :<
09:24 horros Hmm, yes, yes I have to.
09:24 Jarda horros: hmm.. slow down a bit :)
09:24 Jarda too much information at once
09:24 horros Unless...
09:27 Jarda horros: $authors = AuthorQuery::create()->filterSomething(); $authors->populateRelation('Book');
09:27 Jarda of course ->find() to the query
09:27 horros Jarda: hmm!
09:28 v-dogg it's the WHERE part in SQL, ya know :)
09:29 horros Jarda: Ah, that's brilliant.
09:29 horros Lots of stuff to learn about Propel 1.5
09:29 Jarda populateRelation takes a criteria as second argument
09:30 horros Yah, once I knew it even existed I took a peek at the source :)
09:30 Jarda :)
09:30 Jarda it is actually documented: http://www.propelorm.org/wiki/Documentation/1.5/Relationships#MinimizingQueries
09:32 horros I somehow missed that yesterday :O
09:40 _cheerios minimizing queries == premature optimization
09:41 v-dogg premature ejaculation
09:41 v-dogg sorry, friday
10:10 horros I just made an interesting observation.
10:10 horros The dishwasher washes remarkably faster if you actually turn on the water too.
10:11 horros facepalm
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10:35 haji help! i need to implement dynamic form & i separated it to a module. forms are dynamic so i need dynamic validation too & it's not possible via validation.xml
10:36 haji my first question is: can i set validation mode to relaxed/conditional for that module & have strict for others? (i know if i use conditional mode and leave validation for that module empty, i will get what i want, but i prefer to use strict mode for other modules if that's possible)
10:36 haji my second question is: how i can use FPF for dynamic forms?
10:36 haji /* tried to send my questions via mailing list but had problem :( */
10:37 MugeSo you can setup validator via registerValidator method of action.
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10:39 MugeSo registerWriteValidator, registerReadValidator too.
10:39 haji hmm, then FPF works like using validators.xml?
10:39 MugeSo yap
10:39 haji thanks MugeSo
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11:12 MugeSo oops! not registerValidator but registerValidators!!!
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13:41 Rendez I'm using config_handlers.xml with a couple of definitions and it doesn't seem to be even calling the XSDs, it's defined in autoload.xml etc
13:42 Rendez is there anything that extra in particular its needed for them to be loaded?
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13:45 Rendez http://pastebin.com/NcrxRbW4
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15:06 MrJeep macen, you new iMac ?
15:07 macen MrJeep: yeah
15:07 MrJeep you bought one with SSD ?
15:07 macen MrJeep: http://ssd.youds.com - self installed :)
15:08 macen probably going to do a processor upgrade next..
15:08 MrJeep that must be awesome for loading tons of p0rn !
15:08 macen restarting is as quick as it was to close and load an application ;)
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15:13 MrJeep awesome
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18:35 Rendez does anybody know XSD fairly well here?
18:36 Rendez XML Schema validation
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01:08 FMJaguar a new security infrastructure that decouples authentication and authorization and will allow you, among other things, to access validated request data, so you can for instance implement an ACL subsystem to perform authorization checks directly on your business objects.
01:08 FMJaguar did this happen?
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19:41 FMJaguar !
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22:24 Wombert FMJaguar: it's pretty much finished, but not committed yet
22:24 Wombert I demoed it a while back
22:24 Wombert will be in 1.1
22:25 Wombert you can still do all this with regular validation in the meantime
22:27 Rayne about which cool feature are you guys taling?
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22:56 asonge http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#routing_7 <<< i'm trying to get routes generated with .json on the end...seems to not be working
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23:05 asonge ah, cut=true is missing
23:06 graste1 :-)
23:07 graste1 should I add cute=true to the rss example?
23:07 graste1 :D
23:07 graste1 cut*
23:09 graste1 probably not
23:09 graste1 or
23:09 graste1 well
23:09 graste1 whatever
23:30 asonge you probably should, as the example won't work right without it ;)
23:42 graste1 yeah
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04:16 hzilla hello. need advice on 3d array validation formatted as top[][sub][] - can validate top but not sub at the moment. tried provides="sub" depends="[sub]" but no joy as yet
04:17 hzilla http://pastie.org/1123414
05:02 hzilla oh u use provides="array[]"... nice
05:02 hzilla no wait...
05:03 movvy isnt it late?
05:03 movvy or do you seriously get up this early?
05:04 hzilla i've been sleeping shifts these days
05:04 movvy lol what does that mean
05:04 movvy like 4 hours at a time?
05:04 hzilla yeh something like that
05:04 movvy sounds crazy, but whatever works
05:05 hzilla its not as bad as it seems...
05:07 hzilla u win at golf?
05:31 movvy no, I sucked today
05:31 movvy shot a 93, sad day
05:32 movvy I fly to san francisco in about 7 hours
05:32 movvy well 6 now, so I need to sleep!
05:32 hzilla ok later
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09:19 MikeSeth huomenta
09:25 saracen 22:34:59 < Wombert> FMJaguar: it's pretty much finished, but not committed yet
09:25 saracen do it :(
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09:46 Yossi_B Humenta
09:46 Yossi_B Huomenta
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12:41 _cheerios huomenta
12:41 _cheerios moving code Sunday
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16:41 hzilla ne1 home? need to validate strings in a 3d array like array[][subarray][]. so far i have this but can't seem to acccess the final array values
16:41 hzilla http://pastie.org/1124198
16:43 hzilla oh u can use array[][subarray] as base...
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21:57 _cheerios anyone here done a Q&A site (eg. Yahoo Answers) ?
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22:38 _cheerios i've re-created forums. hmm. cool?! :D
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12:09 Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
12:09 Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:09:56 2010]
12:09 Irssi: #agavi: Total of 32 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 31 normal]
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17:09 Yossi_B Huomenta
17:09 Yossi_B Going to London next week
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20:02 MrJeep to anyone using Doctrine
20:03 Jarda Propel ftw
20:03 MrJeep what's wrong in this schema: http://pastie.org/1127085
20:03 MrJeep I'm trying to load each Division loaded with each expertises
20:11 FMJaguar what is the error
20:16 MrJeep fixed
20:16 MrJeep there were no errors
20:16 MrJeep but the Divisions were not loaded
20:17 MrJeep i added the second table in my select and et voil?!
20:17 Rendez ah, always remember to add tables which have internal joins with doctrine
20:17 Rendez even if it's only the primary key
20:18 Jarda $results = FooQuery::create()->joinBar()->find(); //done
20:19 Rendez Doctrine_Query::create()->from('TableA')->innerJoin('TableB')->findAll();
20:19 Rendez as Jarda stated
20:19 Jarda bah, I'm talking about Propel :)
20:20 Rendez meh
20:20 Rendez Doctrine 2 will swap Propel
20:20 Rendez :P
20:20 Jarda doctrine will always loose in performance and ide support
20:21 Rendez Have you seen the recent slides about the progress of D2?
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20:21 Jarda FooQuery::create()->filterByBaz($baz)->find(); //everything autocompletes
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20:21 Jarda Rendez: I'm not interested in doctrine, as long as it doesn't use as much code generation as propel
20:21 Rendez you should take a look
20:21 Rendez Doctrine 2 will blow your mind
20:22 Jarda no it won't. At least a month ago it didn't
20:22 MrJeep about Doctrine 2
20:22 MrJeep ...
20:22 Rendez internal data mappers, more generation of code and SPL classes that resemble data mappers instead of the crappy Doctrine_Record
20:22 MrJeep is it supported by agavi yet ?
20:22 Rendez I don't think so
20:22 MrJeep :(
20:22 Rendez but you could write the adaptor
20:22 Rendez :P
20:22 Rendez we will write it soon I think, we want to move
20:23 Jarda what the fuck
20:24 Jarda $qb = new QueryBuilder(..); $qb->select('u')->from('Models\User', 'u')->orderBy('u.username', 'ASC');
20:24 Jarda (C)q = $qb->getQuery();
20:24 Jarda $users = $q->execute();
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20:25 Jarda that just blows my mind with how much it sucks
20:25 Jarda it's even easier to write all sql by hand..
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20:26 Jarda $users = UserQuery::create()->orderByUsername()->find(); //done
20:29 Jarda the one cool thing about d2 is the use of annotations
20:29 Jarda but then again, xml for the win
20:44 MrJeep I'm getting the following error with Agavi recently
20:44 MrJeep Notice: Use of undefined constant null - assumed ' null' in /usr/share/php/agavi/core/AgaviContext.class.php on line 407
20:44 MrJeep the thing is, there is no "null" at line 407
20:44 saracen Jarda: You don't have to do all of that
20:45 saracen And Doctrine 2 supports XML
20:45 v-dogg now now kids, let's not fight, alright
20:46 saracen I'LL FIGHT IF I WANT TO
20:46 MikeSeth Python.
20:46 saracen throws a sandvich at v-dogg
20:46 saracen Golang.
20:47 MikeSeth Golang <3
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20:57 Jarda I don't get why people dislike propel so much
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20:59 FMJaguar i'm still not sold on orms in a php env
21:01 FMJaguar the only thing thats convienent so far is being able to attach behavior like soft delete / loggable / blameable which isn't really part of the orm anyway...
21:01 v-dogg you stick to plain sql?
21:03 FMJaguar i am using sql in one place and doctrine in another, but maybe it's because i do a lot of calculating/reporting directly on the data
21:03 Jarda query abstraction is the one main selling point for orms to me
21:04 FMJaguar maybe the complex table inheritance will help in some places
21:04 FMJaguar we'll see!
21:04 Jarda writing "SELECT foo, bar, baz FROM quux WHERE " is just boring
21:04 Jarda and in the end your code becomes
21:05 Jarda if ($something) { $sql .= ", foo=" . $pdo->quote($something); }
21:05 Jarda which becomes unreadable
21:05 Jarda compared to
21:05 Jarda if ($something) { $query->filterBySomething($something); }
21:06 MikeSeth quux!
21:06 MikeSeth I see someone read the jargon file :P
21:07 Jarda never
21:07 FMJaguar in either case you can do filterbysomething or inline
21:08 Jarda query abstraction with heavy code generation is just plain love
21:11 FMJaguar maybe it's just that when people go that route they tend to remove layers of seperation with it. Maybe once i have a good setup i'll implement both approaches
21:12 FMJaguar then i will start agaviscreencasts.com and become famous
21:12 FMJaguar then invite Jarda for a dualscreencast
21:12 FMJaguar the possibilities are endless
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21:14 graste do screencasts and add snippets or something to the faq afterwards :P
21:32 Rendez graste: dude, I'll expand the Answer about custom_handlers with the example I'm just finshing
21:32 Rendez it's been a pain so far
21:32 Rendez :D
21:34 Rendez but I think the example will reveal a lot of things for custom configurations
21:34 Rendez I gotta go, bye plp
21:53 graste :>
21:53 graste thx
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22:15 saracen 20:32:26 < MrJeep> is it supported by agavi yet ?
22:15 MrJeep Doctrine 2
22:15 saracen MrJeep: I wrote a simple adaptor for it. You have to use namespaces with your models.
22:16 saracen Which isn't a problem, you can just add to autoload
22:16 MrJeep nice, do you want to share ?
22:16 saracen Can do, /me finds
22:18 saracen http://pastebin.com/CY1171sh
22:19 saracen Adaptor isn't entirely completely, like, no returning of resource etc.
22:19 saracen But, basically, I add getEntityManager() to my actions and views, which call getEntityManager on that adaptor
22:19 saracen The entity manager is used very frequently, so you'll probably want those convenience methods
22:23 saracen (Oh, and the adaptor makes an assumption that you use apc when not in debug mode - for caching)
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23:21 FMJaguar what is with the \class\names
23:21 FMJaguar is that going to always be legal?
23:22 FMJaguar for namespaces that is
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23:24 FMJaguar guess so http://wiki.php.net/_media/rfc/php.ns.txt?id=rfc%3Anamespaceseparator&cache=cach​e
23:50 saracen Yeah, \it's\here\to\stay :(
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08:21 Jarda php namespaces are so fail
08:21 Jarda I can't see is starting to use them anytime soon..
08:21 Jarda s/is/us/
08:21 _cheerios huomenta
08:21 _cheerios Jarda: same reaction
08:23 Jarda why couldn't they implement them like decent languages? Would it be too hard to parse namespace MyNamespace { class MyClass { } }
08:23 Jarda namespace \MyNamespace; class MyClass { }.. that looks retarded, is almost unreadable..
08:24 Jarda and now that they did this implementation, it's gonna stuck here forever
08:24 Jarda well.. as long as agavi doesn't force us to use namespaces, we are good to go
08:25 _cheerios not to mention that you need to namespace internal PHP framework calls like \strlen($foo)
08:28 Jarda yup
08:32 _cheerios that was the dealbreaker for me. is there any fallback, so it uses strlen anyhow? i havent tried namespaces much
08:36 Jarda I guess you could say use \;
08:36 Jarda or something similar
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10:14 Yossi_B Huomenta
10:14 luke` Huomenta
10:18 Rendez Huo-menta
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11:31 Rendez could anybody spot what's wrong here? http://pastebin.com/GNZjfHpR
11:32 Rendez The error is [Error #1843] Line 9: Element '{myNameSpace}file': Character content other than whitespace is not allowed because the content type is 'element-only'.
11:58 Yossi_B hmmm
11:59 Yossi_B how do you import the agavi XSD's you refrence?
12:01 Yossi_B Rendez:how do you import the agavi XSD's you refrence?
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12:02 Rendez how is that relevant, it parses, it's only a validation error
12:02 Rendez <handler pattern="%core.config_dir%/static_files.xml" class="VadingoStaticFilesConfigHandler">
12:02 Rendez <validation>%core.lib_dir%/config/xsd/static_files.xsd</validation>
12:02 Rendez <transformation>%core.lib_dir%/config/xsl/static_files.xsl</transformation>
12:02 Rendez </handler>
12:03 Yossi_B just wondering...
12:04 Yossi_B how does this %core.config_dir% work exactly? you run the xsd through a config handler or something?
12:04 MugeSo Rendez: show statif_files.xml
12:04 Rendez exactly
12:05 Rendez http://pastebin.com/EbPwF2UJ
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12:05 Rendez the part the validation doesn't like is the <file>
12:06 Rendez the complexType that defines it is correct though
12:08 Yossi_B Rendez: what I was wondeing, in the xsd, how do you refrence the agavi xsd files... how can use the namespace like routing_1_0, absolute path to the files?
12:09 Rendez no
12:09 Rendez you define the routes in config_handlers.xml
12:09 Rendez and then if you're using a custom class to handle the result, you must include it in autoload.xml
12:10 Rendez then the XSD is run before the XML is even parsed
12:10 Rendez to validate the content
12:10 Rendez if it validates, the config handler you defined (if you extended the AgaviXmlDom... class) has an execute() method which allows you to play with the result
12:14 MugeSo where is file_name type defined?
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12:14 Rendez MugeSo: it's a simpleType
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12:19 MugeSo then, where is simpleType definition
12:20 Rendez imagine it's a xs:string
12:20 Rendez the XSD is longer, don't want to paste it all
12:21 Rendez the problem is when doing this...
12:21 Rendez <xs:element name="file" type="file" minOccurs="0" />
12:21 Rendez the type file defines another sequence, and an attribute
12:21 Rendez so the XML needs <file><file></file></file>
12:21 Rendez :S
12:31 MugeSo http://pastie.org/1128662
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12:35 Rendez MugeSo: thanks!
12:35 Rendez I was just arriving to the same result, but your pastie confirmed it
12:35 Rendez :D
12:37 Rendez Yossi_B: I'll explain the result in the FAQ anyways, if you want to get more in depth in the topic
12:41 Yossi_B Rendez: would love that
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14:25 Jarda hmm.. agavi only renders the exception template if display_errors is On?
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14:27 MikeSeth no, but the fallback template checks and rethrows the exception if it isn't
14:28 Jarda nono, that can't be the case
14:28 Jarda our custom exception template only shows when display_errors is On
14:28 Jarda if it's Off, then the handling goes to our shutdown-function
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14:30 Jarda no
14:30 Jarda I blame v-dogg !
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15:33 Rendez how else do you want to show them?
15:33 Rendez depends on the level of errors you've set as well
15:33 Rendez << @Jarda
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15:42 _cheerios nobody wants to see errors :)
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15:58 ttj http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2010/08/30/image/300691_How_Google_Maps_ac​tually_works%20.jpg
15:59 saracen WRONG, it'd have to be laid down
16:00 ttj :/
16:01 saracen Just saying
16:01 saracen It's not accurate.
16:04 MrJeep lawl
16:08 saracen NSFW http://ircimages.com/ircimages/6/f/6f7965c730514304c0c9cbb85cd197aa.jpg
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16:40 Rendez http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc9xq-TVyHI&feature=player_embedded
16:43 jurica saracen: thats disgusting!
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16:55 saracen jurica: No. It's awesome :D
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17:14 jurica saracen: no its not!
17:15 v-dogg picture of Homer ruins that otherwise beautiful image
17:15 jurica ...
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19:51 _cheerios anyone done "revisions" support to their apps? what kind of approach did you take?
19:52 _cheerios eg. do i copy the old rows that were altered in full, or go with something custom?
19:52 _cheerios scenario: User modifies something on site, a revertable changelog.
19:55 graste as always: it depends
19:56 graste copying a whole row will not always suffice as there may be references and depending changes etc
19:56 graste which you now need to record as well
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20:01 Asad I have noticed the model part of agavi tutorial uses a Manager model and a singular model (entity class?) .. Is this based on a known programming pattern?
20:01 _cheerios ok, i'll cheat; store the only the changes, and only make the easy changes revertable.
20:19 jurica _cheerios: are you speaking of something like database migrations?
20:20 graste1 more like history/undo when your data model is stable atm
20:20 graste1 imho
20:20 graste1 versioning
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20:25 _cheerios like wiki revisions http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rubber_duck_debugging&action=history
20:26 _cheerios i've db migration code already (lifesafer)
20:27 jurica ah
20:28 jurica brb need to reboot
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20:36 jurica re
20:49 FMJaguar Doctrine has a Versionable plugin, maybe looking at that might help
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21:03 _cheerios doctrine :shiver:
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21:04 steffkes _cheerios, doctrine1 .. ack, doctrine2 .. completly rewritten on 5.2 code basis
21:04 steffkes or at least 5.3 .. iirc
21:04 steffkes makes more sense then 5.2 :o
21:05 _cheerios phpsalama.com later this year :)
21:11 jurica _cheerios: what will it be?
21:11 _cheerios my unfinished ORM in the wild :)
21:13 jurica ah
21:13 jurica you still didnt put it on github?
21:14 _cheerios nope, i iz slow
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21:22 pablosan huomentra
21:25 pablosan i wonder if you had this problem after logout i clicked back button and of course i was redirected once again to authenticated area. i know that there is solution for that in js with onunload event but maybe there is better idea?
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21:40 Asad I got d/ced here goes again. Does anyone here know what's the pattern used for agavi models called? I have never seen "Managers" interacting with typical "domain objects" earlier.
21:50 FMJaguar is it like this? http://tutorials.jenkov.com/java-persistence/dao-manager.html
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23:03 _cheerios anyone with CSS chops to tell how http://lanyrd.com/ does their adaptive columns, based on how wide the browser window is?
23:15 FMJaguar that specific site? or in general?
23:15 FMJaguar in general you could use http://matthewjamestaylor.com/blog/perfect-multi-column-liquid-layouts
23:19 FMJaguar some people find blueprint css interesting too
23:21 FMJaguar for that site it just looks like everything is % based divs
23:23 _cheerios it's different. the columns go underneath each other when the width gets small.
23:23 _cheerios (desired effect)
23:25 FMJaguar seems like it's because the divs are floated
23:25 FMJaguar err the way they are floated
23:25 _cheerios why i like that is that you can view the same page on a small mobile screen, while having many columns on the desktop version
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