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02:00 CIA-73 saracen * r4547 /branches/hiphop/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Reverting [4496], [4505], [4541] and [4543] due to fixes in HPHP.
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08:38 AshishG good afternoon :)
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09:45 MikeSeth stretches
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09:50 _cheerios huomenta
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10:23 sth Morning
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10:32 Yossi_B Houmenta
10:35 sth hi
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10:52 AshishG sth: hi
10:52 sth Hi
10:53 AshishG Yossi_B: namaste
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10:55 Yossi_B AshishG: Shalom!
10:57 sth Shalom? That's Punjub not Indian :x
10:58 sth There's two errors in my last line
10:58 sth s/pubjub/arabic/ s/Indian/hindi/
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11:04 Yossi_B Hebrew...
11:14 vmakinen haha
11:14 vmakinen oops..
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11:14 v-dogg there
11:18 saracen i ated a cake.
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11:21 MikeSeth anyone tips for an opensource ESB?
11:23 sth saracen: where is my cake?
11:23 sth ESB?
11:24 saracen sth: bend over and I'll show you
11:25 MikeSeth enterprise service bus
11:25 MikeSeth basically message queue on drugs
11:25 sth oh.
11:25 AshishG sth: you know a lot about outside europe too :)
11:25 sth Indian culture is something you don't have leave the UK for
11:26 AshishG is smiling thinking if his comment just preceded the "oh" comment then it would be funny
11:26 AshishG sth: is it? i hear the indians there make a whole lotta mess. is that true?
11:28 sth We have large pockets of Indian people in the UK in most cities
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12:08 saracen Gladstone St: 1, Britian: 0
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12:20 macen sth: there are even pockets of british people in the uk too ;)
12:20 macen brb
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12:26 sth macen: well, shit.
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12:27 macen well yeah
12:27 macen in Blackburn, other half of Ribble Valley, as kids you play "spot the white man" heh
12:41 saracen racist!
12:43 macen lol
12:43 macen well you do
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12:46 saracen Well
12:46 saracen You do if you're a racist child, I suppose
12:48 macen ya heh
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13:04 MikeSeth I am pro-riots
13:04 MikeSeth IMO race war would be funny to watch
13:19 macen lols
13:20 AshishG with many windows open in irssi, you tend to get lost :P
13:20 Jarda how many? :)
13:20 Jarda I have something like 35 atm open
13:25 AshishG :-o
13:25 AshishG not that many for me
13:25 AshishG i found god!
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13:35 sth I have 6 irssi windows & 8 terminal windows
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13:36 ttj Argh... SGML...
13:44 AshishG sth: is a mortal like me :)
13:46 Xylakant ttj: in which ancient chest did you find that?
13:47 ttj Xylakant: USPTO patent stuff from circa 2001 and earlier.
13:47 ttj And now I'm completely annoyed because I assumed they would've nicely repackaged old stuff to XML or something so I could just use XPath. But no...
13:58 AshishG i'm in love with magic finders
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14:17 ttj Fuck me... A quick-and-dirty hack to translate the SGML files to XML altered the efficiency quite a bit. Previously parsing through about a year of patent data took an hour or two. Now it's apparently plus or minus two days.
14:18 AshishG ttj: are you a girl?
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14:19 MikeSeth so, rabbitmq anyone?
14:19 ttj AshishG: Depends. How much money you got?
14:20 sth MikeSeth: We're using it for a project
14:24 MikeSeth sth: works well?
14:25 sth unsure
14:25 sth It works.
14:28 _cheerios MikeSeth, should be a good choice if you need more than a nosql ghetto-queue.
14:31 AshishG ttj: m broke
14:32 MikeSeth _cheerios: I am pondering couchdb/python backend + rabbitmq + Agavi frontend
14:35 _cheerios anyone done maps mashups recently? i need a quick pointers (like how to get the maps bounding box to do the queries when dragged), and tips to get over basic hurdles.
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14:44 AshishG Jarda: was it you who was banging your head with a windows system? some prob with php and evironment variables?
14:44 Jarda no I don't think so
14:48 AshishG oh! there was someone here. i'm gonna be going home tomorrow and i migh end up doing something similar. i don't have linux on my laptop
14:48 AshishG something = banging my head on the wall which has windows.
14:49 AshishG any case, gotta run. catch ya guys later
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16:05 krycek_ what is the equivalent to getValidationManager()->getErrors() now that it's deprecated?
16:11 Xylakant krycek_: $vm->getReport(), you can use the report to inspect what went wrong
16:12 Xylakant it offers a far more detailed version of the results
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16:28 krycek_ hmm
16:28 krycek_ tkz
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18:41 krycek_ why a <textarea></textarea> (without any text) makes all the code below that tag doesn't work? after being filtered by FPF
18:43 krycek_ not even the highlight syntax from FF (source-view) works for the code below that tag
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18:53 krycek_ no errors, no messages into the logs files :|
19:08 krycek_ seems that passing an empty array for the form population filter was causing the weird behavior
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19:21 Xylakant hmm, but that would actually only lead to form fields not being populated as expected
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19:23 krycek_ that is what I would had expected
19:27 krycek_ is there any chance that FPF was being called 2x when populate with: $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', array("form_name" => new AgaviParameterHolder($item)), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');?
19:28 krycek_ being called twice could explain that behavior
19:41 Xylakant no, that will not cause the filter to run twice
19:50 krycek_ then the bug is somewhere else
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08:26 Guest75355 huomenta!
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11:58 Jarda http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/15359_iphone_jobs.jpg
12:00 jurica haha
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13:18 _cheerios i wonder if it's time machine making this mac slow
13:19 sth It might be spotlight
13:19 sth Check activity monitor
13:21 _cheerios 2MB/sec outgoing network traffic, that's time machine doing backups I guess
13:22 _cheerios not much cpu used, just disk a bit slowish
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13:23 _cheerios im out for a week and time machine has 7gigs of stuff to backup, heh...
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13:27 _cheerios http://zmievski.org/2010/07/time-machine-forensics // checking out timedog
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14:00 _cheerios TM is slowing things down. I'll just stop it till when I go home
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14:45 jurica _cheerios: TM = time machine?
14:46 _cheerios yes
14:47 jurica what do you use as destination?
14:47 _cheerios network disk, time capsule (?) it was called iirc
14:48 jurica ah
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15:16 krycek_ if I'm using something like: $this->getLayer('decorator')->setSlot('filter', $this->createSlotContainer('module', 'Filter', $rd)); in a SearchSuccessView, how to "echo" that slot into the SearchSuccess template?
15:17 krycek_ $slots["filter"] has nothing
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15:23 sth Are you adding it to the right decorator?
15:23 sth For example, most people add slots to the content layer.
15:24 sth s/decorator/layer/
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15:28 _krycek that was it... tkz, sth
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18:15 CycLoNe hey everyone
18:15 CycLoNe i have a question regarding the usage of propel in agavi
18:16 CycLoNe how do i include the classes propel built into agavi?
18:17 CycLoNe i've done it ad hoc by setting an include path in app\config.php that points to the class directory
18:17 CycLoNe but i don't feel well with this. is there any better solution?
18:23 luke` CycLoNe: are you referring to the propel library or the generated class files?
18:24 CycLoNe the generated class files
18:25 luke` I haven't used propel in ages. So I maybe wrong. But see http://pastebin.com/p79HpGVz
18:25 luke` that's the databases.xml from one of my older projects
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18:29 CycLoNe i assume, u've set an include in this ephr-conf.php that points to the propel class files, is that correct?
18:29 luke` yeah
18:29 luke` but my code is from 2008
18:29 luke` so things may have changed
18:31 CycLoNe even if so, still looks better than my current solution :)
18:31 CycLoNe thx
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20:10 _krycek I was using $ro->gen(null, array("city"=> null) to remove the parameter "city" from the current URL in 0.11, after updating to 1.0, it stopped working... any tips?
20:11 Jarda passing an empty array doesn't work?
20:11 _krycek but I want to keep the other params
20:12 Jarda hmm, ok
20:12 Jarda I don't know
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21:34 luke` _krycek: try $ro->gen(null, array("city"=>''));
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21:36 _krycek luke`, that kind of solve the problem, but I would like to not see that param in the URL
21:37 _krycek that's something that was working fine with v0.11 ;/
21:38 _krycek Xylakant, shouldn't $ro->gen(null, array("city"=> null) create a URL based on the current one without the "city" param?
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21:44 saracen _krycek: There's a param, omit_defaults you can pass in the options array
21:45 saracen which usually defaults to false. Not sure if this just effects defaults set up on the route
21:45 saracen or "current" defaults from the URL. But, if null doesn't work, you might want to true passing false
21:45 _krycek let me try that
21:46 saracen try passing false*
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21:52 _krycek no effect... I think it's because my param is not one defined by "defaults" tag
21:54 saracen Did you try passing false, as well> array("city" => false)?
21:57 _krycek yes, it generates a &city=0 URL
21:57 saracen oh :(
21:57 _krycek it works with zero or '', but I would like to remove it
21:58 saracen And it is setup as optional in the route, right? :)
21:58 _krycek the router doesn't know about that param
21:59 saracen Ah, I see
22:00 saracen Not entirely sure that's possible then. Is it added if you use the actual routes name, rather than (null)?
22:00 saracen If it's a case you want *some* of the fields adding, you could readd them by passing the array in again, I guess
22:01 _krycek but then I would have to keep track of every param added to the URL
22:02 _krycek that was something I loved about the routing, because I could add and remove param as need without worring about what was there before
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22:04 _krycek and like I said, it was working in v0.11... it looks like the current params have a higher priority than the ones I pass to the gen() method
22:07 Xylakant hmm, that would probably be a bug
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22:12 _krycek I going to open a bug report for that
22:12 Jarda is this how you should handle your errors? http://www.voice.fi/ (a popular finnish radio station)
22:13 Jarda but hey, it's enterprise!
22:16 Wombert _krycek: reading up on the issue
22:17 Wombert _krycek: is the param optional?
22:17 Wombert in the URL?
22:17 _krycek yes
22:17 Wombert can you show me the route?
22:17 _krycek ok, wait
22:18 Wombert oh wait, you're saying it's not defined in the route?
22:18 Jarda Wombert: hi o/
22:18 Wombert hi Jarda
22:18 Wombert just replying to your ticket...
22:18 Jarda Wombert: cool, was just asking about it :)
22:19 _krycek Wombert, http://pastebin.com/kxQEQ65Z
22:19 _krycek "city" is not defined in the route
22:19 _krycek that's the one I'm trying to remove from the URL
22:19 Wombert oh, I see
22:19 Wombert don't use gen(null) then
22:20 Wombert do gen('routename')
22:20 _krycek but there is a lot of other param that I want to keep
22:20 _krycek paramS
22:20 Wombert try gen('routename*')
22:20 _krycek ok
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22:22 _krycek noup, it cleared all params and keep the "page" because it has a default value
22:32 _krycek well, I opened a ticket (#1294)
22:32 _krycek -> home now
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23:06 jurica WTF how can you not score a penalty in the very last second of a game
23:07 sth Easily
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17:43 _cheerios germany wtf o_O
18:07 saracen I often find myself saying that
18:07 saracen Howdy Wombert
18:08 Wombert JA JA JA SIEG
18:08 Wombert GEWONNEN JA JA JA HURRA
18:08 saracen ;o
18:09 Wombert please tell me you watched the game :<
18:09 Wombert it was so epic :<
18:10 sth Why would we?
18:11 sth Besides, Cologne is crumbling because of the rain
18:11 sth Because they can't handle a "light shower"
18:11 sth the centre is flooded which of course means the "ubahn" is flooded too
18:12 sth the 1, 7 & 9 trams have stopped because of a bit of tree on the tracks
18:13 saracen Wombert: Nah, I didn't watch the epic game
18:13 saracen Last time I watched football, I slipped in to a coma until the next season
18:14 saracen It ended up being pretty recursive
18:14 saracen Until I was told i wasn't allowed to watch it anymore.
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18:59 MikeSeth Wombert: I saw by accident the rapination you guys just gave to Argentina
18:59 MikeSeth allow me to express my lol
19:10 Wombert :D
19:11 Wombert pets MikeSeth
19:15 MikeSeth I suspect there's gonna be a riot in the office tomorrow
19:15 MikeSeth as we have both e germans and argentinians
19:24 saracen I'd have thought having Germans in an office would cause a riot everyday
19:25 saracen amirite sth?
19:32 MikeSeth well now that all frenchies are gone it's quiet
19:32 MikeSeth the germans mostly drink a lot and say naughty things to customers
19:37 sth I <3 IT Crowd
19:38 sth saracen: I've lost count at how many times I've had to quash efforts to invade Poland whilst I've been in Germany
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02:51 MikeSeth http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/clnav/germany_disassembles_argentina​_40/c0tgkrf
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07:26 Yossi_B I for one, accept our new/old German overlords...
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19:09 nfq Wombert: yo
19:09 nfq you back?
19:11 Wombert hi
19:13 nfq hey dude.. skype sometime soon?
19:13 Wombert uh
19:13 Wombert maybe
20:08 Jarda Wombert: hi! any idea when you will have the time to respond to my ticket?
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20:31 _cheerios tuskaaaaaaaa!!!
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20:48 Jarda is digitarald here anymore?
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00:38 Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
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07:47 Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
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08:56 Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
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09:01 Wombert it's back, saracen and Jarda
09:02 saracen cancels reading symfony tutorial
09:06 Wombert traitor
09:06 steffkes saracen :D
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09:38 _cheerios huomenta
09:40 ttj Yo.
09:41 ttj Note to self: never get involved with Irish Car Bombs again.
09:43 saracen Is that the name of some Irish drink, or did you have a run in with the IRA?
09:44 ttj Judging by the feeling yesterday morning, it's hard to know what exactly happened.
09:56 _cheerios :)
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10:42 simoncpu huomenta
10:42 sth Morning
10:42 simoncpu it feels so good to use agavi again
10:42 simoncpu i have a question on validation:
10:42 simoncpu what if in my xml, i have
10:42 sth I'm with saracen, it's time to learn symfony
10:43 simoncpu <validator class="IPv4" required="false" myarg="myvalue">
10:43 simoncpu how can i access "myarg" from my validator?
10:43 sth pass it as a parameter
10:43 sth <ae:parameter name="myarg">myvalue</ae:parameter>
10:44 simoncpu $this->getParameter('myarg') ?
10:45 sth yup
10:45 simoncpu cool, thanks!
10:47 simoncpu is the second parameter the default value?
10:48 simoncpu i.e, $this->getParameter('myarg', 'mydefault');
10:48 sth yes, as always
10:48 simoncpu cool
10:49 simoncpu is reading the built-in validators in agavi's source code
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11:20 Yossi_B HUOMENTA
11:28 simoncpu huomenta dude
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11:34 _cheerios book recommendations of late? amazon shopping..
11:35 ttj Skunk Works by Ben Rich & someoneoranother.
11:35 sth Depends on the subject
11:35 _cheerios Kindle is really tempting too. anyone here been using one yet?
11:35 sth Nope
11:36 sth Been using an iPad instead
11:36 ttj Fanboi...
11:36 sth Finn.
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11:39 sth Wombert: I have your key
11:39 saracen Finnboi
11:40 ttj \o
11:40 sth saracen: Screw this framework, let's join #symfony instead :D
11:42 Wombert stabs all
11:42 Wombert sth: cool, will arrive ~7pm
11:42 Wombert (at the office)
11:42 Wombert unless you're leaving before that
11:42 sth Should still be here.
11:42 Wombert kk
11:42 Wombert see you then
11:42 sth (just)
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11:45 digitarald Huomenta
11:45 Jarda digitarald: hi, I have a question for you!
11:46 digitarald wasn't me!
11:46 Jarda digitarald: is there any better documentation available for your autocompleter, other whan source code
11:47 digitarald source code rocks
11:47 digitarald clientside had one
11:47 digitarald the link is outdated though
11:48 Jarda I have the following situation: user types the start of a product id in a text field, I would want to sow autocompletes like <product id> / <product name> and when the user selects, it would update the input field with product id
11:48 _cheerios ordered http://www.amazon.com/Business-Model-Generation-Visionaries-Challengers/dp/04708​76417/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278323289&sr=8-1
11:48 Jarda so it's not the situation in your demos
11:50 Jarda or do I have to write my own autocompleter (PITA)
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12:05 saracen 11:48:34 < sth> saracen: Screw this framework, let's join #symfony instead :D
12:05 Jarda 12:36:28 < sth> Finn.
12:05 saracen Done.
12:05 Jarda wtf
12:05 sth What?
12:06 Jarda where did that come from
12:06 saracen Doublequote
12:06 sth c-c-c-combobreaker!
12:06 Jarda paste #fail
12:06 saracen Ok
12:06 saracen #fail
12:06 sth Jarda: I mean nothing by it really. It's just a joke
12:07 sth I do it with the Germans too.
12:07 sth Insulting people's nationality is like defacto insult.
12:07 Jarda nono
12:07 Jarda I failed
12:07 Jarda stupid putty
12:07 saracen He means he called germans Finns, because it works like a defacto insult.
12:07 saracen calls*
12:08 saracen Anyway
12:08 sth No, I call the German's German. It's all about the tone :)
12:09 saracen This week is going to be fun, because I have to watch all of the Twilight films.
12:09 sth Why?
12:09 Jarda fun?!?
12:09 saracen Sarcasm, Jarda :)
12:09 sth saracen: If you want, I'll fedex you a noose.
12:09 Jarda oh, great
12:09 saracen sth: Don't worry, I've got one
12:10 saracen But yeah, I agreed to watching them
12:10 saracen girlfriend time and all that
12:10 Jarda hrrr
12:10 saracen I can't disappoint. It's just in my nature to be awesome.
12:10 Jarda I just watched alice in wonderland by tim burton
12:10 Jarda was fun
12:10 saracen wouldnt mind watching that
12:11 Jarda johnny depp speaking with a scottish accent when going mad, awesome!
12:11 saracen Spoiler!
12:11 sth I remember when I went to watch the last Dan Brown film on a date, I spent the whole time looking at my phone on facebook. She wasn't impressed
12:12 saracen You're such a playa
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12:12 ttj People who play with their phones in movie theaters should be shot.
12:12 Jarda sth: are movies in germany still dupped?
12:12 saracen ttj: I'd usually agree
12:12 digitarald Jarda: there are events for that
12:12 saracen but he said it was a Dan Brown film
12:12 saracen totally difference cirsumstances
12:12 digitarald but I planned a new class that adds that strict autocomplete feature to map searchable labels to ids
12:12 sth Jarda: yeah.
12:13 sth You can find original versions still
12:16 digitarald #symfony channel is horrible
12:17 digitarald only for basic questions that get answered in outdated documentation anyways
12:17 digitarald even bascht has rarely good answers ;)
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12:25 bascht digitarald: I'm only in charge of the polemic answers.
12:26 digitarald and deep thoughts
12:26 bascht indeed.
12:27 skade bascht is deep thought?
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12:31 bascht skade: usually more like marvin. (no android pun intended)
12:32 macen non-agavi question, would "PERIODE-KONTROLLE" be a valid translation for a spell checker link?
12:32 macen it's german.,
12:35 macen there is also die Rechtschreibung but i'm aware "die" means "the" which doesn't make sense
12:35 macen or does it, who knows heh
12:37 bascht macen: the same with 'Gift'. ;-)
12:38 Jarda digitarald: which events? (I need this now :D)
12:40 macen kk
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17:16 _cheerios hothot, i need a fan in the room :(
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17:38 macen fans++
17:50 saracen _cheerios: Get yourself a dyson
17:50 saracen airblade
17:50 saracen not airblade
17:50 saracen w/e the fan thing is called :)
17:53 _cheerios is that what you buy when you have some extra lying around to do the same thing?
17:54 sth They're better, use less electric, they're English, quieter
17:59 _cheerios it costs more than an AC unit?
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18:13 saracen sth: I have one on my desk at the moment
18:13 saracen Trust me, they're not quieter
18:13 saracen But everything else about them is +++
18:14 saracen I can actually have it on me and it doesn't annoy me. Because it's just a constant stream, not on/off. So my air doesnt dart about poking my EYES out
18:14 saracen hair*
18:14 macen get a hair cut
18:14 saracen But I like looking like a girl
18:14 macen i imagined you would
18:15 saracen I imagined you would, too
18:15 macen good come back :p
18:16 macen the other option is to have an evaporator in there to cool the air down
18:16 saracen Yeah, but I'm a geek. I'm not very hydrated, if I lost any more body moisture, I'd die.
18:16 macen mine sounds like a jet engine setting off in your ear but i don't mind it tbh
18:16 macen does the opposite of that
18:17 macen it uses evaporation to cool the air down so more water goes in the air
18:17 sth I'm very hydrated.
18:17 sth I drink like 3L a day
18:18 saracen I drink tears.
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19:41 saracen http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/bp.gif
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20:30 _cheerios have to get used to this airflow, and added noise, but deffo feels fresher here now :)
20:40 ttj I've been contemplating about moving to the office.
20:40 ttj VP is on vacation for this month and there's a sofa in his office.
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22:15 krycek__ can't I register an username for me at trac.agavi.org?
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01:49 _cheerios wow, time flies. from 1:40 to 2:50 in a blink.
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13:26 lollan Hi, is there a link about internationalization for agavi ?
13:26 Jarda what do you need?
13:27 Jarda you can check out the sample app, it has translations enabled
13:29 lollan Jarda: the sample app ?
13:30 lollan I didn't see it on the website
13:30 lollan What I need is to know which systems they use.
13:30 Jarda http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples
13:31 Jarda it's gettext iirc
13:36 lollan ok thanks Jarda
13:37 lollan I found agavi a bit by hazard, I plan to use it for the company I work in, is there some things I should now about performance or reputation, Jarda ?
13:39 Jarda well Agavi isn't that well known (compared to symfony or zend in example) but there's a company behind the development of agavi and the community (mostly this channel) is very helpful
13:40 lollan Ok thanks Jarda
13:45 Yossi_B Huomenta
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14:56 J-P Does anyone knows this company: http://www.outrider.com/ ?
14:57 J-P Looks like another so called SEO company
14:58 J-P They ask to put tags like this on pages: <img src="http://eu.decdna.net/n/12345/67890/CODE/x/e?
14:58 J-P value=1.50&trans=9876542452&domain=eu.decdna.net" width="1" height="1" border="0">
14:59 J-P and they claim there is a cookie created when someone clicks on a link from a search engine that is trackable by tag. or something like this..
14:59 J-P Is this BS ?
15:00 J-P (unless they create the ads)
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15:12 steffkes BS?
15:13 steffkes what they may do .. the image itself, is called with the referer the browser-agent sends ... but if this can be disabled/modified locally
15:16 saracen SEO is bullshit.
15:17 steffkes :D
15:17 saracen I read a PDF document last week from an SEO Expert, who said try to avoid making websites in PHP or ASP because "These pages are dynamically created when you click a link. Because search engines can't click links, they can't index your PHP pages", or something along the lines of that
15:18 steffkes expert .. o_O :D
15:19 saracen Yeah... In the email he also sent my boss, he wrote: "As a bonus Google also has a 'very hard to find' SEO guide which you can also download from my website."
15:19 saracen and gave the link
15:19 saracen If you search on google for: google seo guide
15:19 saracen You'll discover this very hard to find SEO guide
15:21 saracen Many web designers are so focused on making an impression with a 'nice looking' or 'clever and dynamic' design that they give little or no consideration to textual content. They also have an increasing habit these days of using php to design web pages that don't warrant it and don't even exist until a link is clicked. This is referred to as calling a web page 'on the fly', and web pages that are created on the fly,
15:21 saracen cannot be indexed by search engines, because they don't exist until a link is clicked and they are not able to clink links. So the first bit of advice would be NEVER make a website in php or asp if you don't have to. If you do have to, then try to avoid session strings, and make sure you have as many static php pages as possible with lots of content. (Same applies to all database codes i.e. asp)
15:22 macen he must mean where content can't be crawled by Google because the link is javascript or a form control
15:22 saracen Yeah, I figured he meant javascript. But he mentions PHP and ASP. Then at the end says "Same applies to all database codes" ;x
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15:22 saracen It's not a single slip up. He literally knows nothing
15:23 steffkes throw him away ;D
15:23 steffkes all the times .. people like these on are talking to your boss ;D
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15:24 steffkes s/on//
15:24 saracen Yeah :(. I put my foot down though
15:24 saracen "SEO IS BULLSHIT. JUST SAY NO"
15:25 saracen I really don't get how they appear to still be in busy. With all their "guessing" the search engine algorithms.
15:25 saracen I can beat their guessing easily
15:26 saracen business*
15:28 macen "I can beat their guessing easily" <---exactly
15:29 macen it's the web developers job to do it not some random company
15:29 macen it's so easy you get these people starting up companies because people are willing to pay for it
15:30 macen they want the regular money
15:31 saracen It's pretty funny. Search engines spend a lot of time tweaking algorithms in order to get the best information for *humans*. They do it pretty well. It seems to be a step backwards to then have a company tell you to design it for a machine. Any steps taken to make the user experiences better, is generally good for the search engine. I think the only specific think worth doing for search engines, is the description tag. Everything else is wo
15:31 saracen thing*
15:32 macen couldn't agree more
15:32 sth Better urls, semantic markup, good, fresh content.
15:33 sth good meta data
15:35 saracen sth: You're an SEO expert!
15:36 sth I know
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15:37 sth and it only took common sense and 1 minute worth of reading
15:37 saracen And after that, you were qualified to sum SEO up in a one-liner
15:37 saracen You should be rich
15:51 sth I know, rite.
15:52 steffkes perhaps we should combine our knowledge and become super-rich :D
15:58 Yossi_B well, ajax is pretty bad for search engines, so you might have to explicitly expose it to the machine
15:58 saracen You mean you didn't already have a fallback for browsers that have javascript disabled?
16:00 Yossi_B I never do that
16:04 Yossi_B not worth it
16:04 saracen But it's worth exposing to the search engine?
16:05 Yossi_B well, I never had to do that, but *you might*... depends what you are serving
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16:07 saracen I've never had to do it either :). I can't really think of an example where you'd be talking to the search engine only, but wouldn't make it compatible with browsers that had javascript disabled
16:08 sth if you're content is being served by ajax, you're doing something wrong
16:09 saracen if you're using "you're" wronglyer, your doing something wrong're.
16:11 sth :)
16:11 sth saracen: remind me to punch you if we meet again.
16:12 saracen sth: Fine. But if you don't have another t-shirt when we meet again, I'm taking the one off your back.
16:12 sth What's wrong with the one I gave you last time?
16:12 saracen I'm fat.
16:13 sth It's meant to be tight, it's a eurotrash shirt :D
16:13 saracen Ha, well, it's not just that. I don't want to break the cycle
16:13 saracen Everytime we've met so far
16:13 saracen you've given me a t-shirt
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16:13 sth I'm actually back in the UK soon
16:14 saracen I don't suppose you have David action figures do you?
16:14 sth I can get a nazi soldier figure if you want...
16:15 saracen David would be better. He'd look perfect in my war memorabilia cabinet.
16:15 sth I'll beat him and then stuff him in a case then.
16:17 saracen Just imagine. You could put him on a train. It'd get stopped somewhere in the UK, hot and stuffy, stuck inside of a case. Some Brit with a secrey love for Germans might water him down with a hose, while his comrades think he's being evil.
16:18 saracen He'd get*
16:18 saracen secret* sigh
16:20 sth wtg
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16:29 _cheerios after a lot of experimenting... seems placing the fan to face the balls is the optimal setting for keeping cool.
16:32 bascht .oO( tmi )
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16:37 saracen It's way better having it all aimed at your face, especially when shit hits the fan.
16:38 saracen goes off to watch several girls with fewer cups.
16:40 macen i totally know what you mean by that lol
16:41 macen "oh ****, better turn the fan on"
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21:19 _cheerios need to run JSLint more often :horror:
21:20 graste scm hook ftw
21:20 graste pre/post commit
21:21 Jarda JSLint?
21:22 Jarda okok
21:22 Jarda maybe I should try it
21:23 graste it's nice to detect errors like trailing commas etc.
21:23 graste where IE bails out :-)
21:23 Jarda hmm.. maybe the browser on Nokia E90 acts the same
21:23 graste and as a commit hook you'll get a mail on errors ^^
21:23 Jarda because my js doesn't work with it
21:23 graste hehe
21:24 Jarda which kinda sucks, as it still supports javascript, so the fallbacks doesn't work
21:24 Jarda so it's completely unusable with that browser
21:24 Jarda and it kinda should be supported
21:24 Jarda but now off to bed
21:26 _cheerios oh, game is on
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21:42 _cheerios entertaining game so far
21:42 graste yep
21:56 _cheerios omg robben :(
21:57 _cheerios WOOT1
22:01 _cheerios WOOT11
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22:18 _cheerios lol, elia could've scored.. too cold off the bench
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22:24 _cheerios what did bommel do in the end to get a yellow?
22:30 _cheerios twitter borked, client says api limit reached.
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23:25 _cheerios hmm, gzip_on in nginx but css/js gets served without conten-type and thus no gzipping :puzzled
23:48 saracen _cheerios: Is the request HTTP 1.1 or 1.0?
23:49 saracen nginx only serves gzip on 1.1 by default I believe
23:49 _cheerios 1.1, some oddity
23:50 _cheerios i'll recompile nginx from scratch tomorrow to see what's up.
23:50 saracen And you've added css/js mime types to gzip_types?
23:50 _cheerios they're in mime.types, that's enough?
23:50 _cheerios and, ah, that, yes, too
23:50 saracen I dont think just being in mime.types is enough
23:51 _cheerios gzip_types text/plain text/css application/json application/x-javascript text/xml application/xml application/xml+rss text/javascript;
23:51 saracen I'm out of ideas then :D
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00:00 _cheerios hmm, works on another domain. i wonder if it's due the static folder being behind a symlink on the other setup.
00:01 _cheerios location /foo { alias /path/to/foo }
00:05 _cheerios hmm, nope
00:08 _cheerios hmm, seems to work now. i wonder if it was just browser cache pulling my leg again.
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00:24 _cheerios btw. anyone know if there's a jquery script for adding a left-arrow ("speech bubble") to a div, for that comment box -effect?
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10:45 simoncpu huomenta
10:46 simoncpu i've been deploying my apps in debug mode
10:46 simoncpu what files do i need to edit to set it into production mode?
10:46 Jarda index.php
10:46 Jarda ::bootstrap('production');
10:47 Jarda or just do "agavi public-create" or whatever the task is called
10:47 simoncpu cool, thanks
10:48 simoncpu with production mode, the files are cached, right?
10:48 Jarda xml configuration is cached by default, yes
10:49 Jarda if you haven't enabled debug by hand to other envs than development
10:49 simoncpu i mean the pages
10:49 Jarda no, pages aren't
10:49 simoncpu will agavi serve static pages?
10:49 Jarda no
10:49 simoncpu uhm... i thought agavi serves static pages because there's the cache dir
10:50 Jarda you have to set up fragment caching by hand if you want to cache your action results
10:50 simoncpu hmmm... i don't know what that is, but i think i've heard that it's "bad"
10:51 simoncpu or it doesn't work
10:51 Jarda then you have heard wrong
10:51 simoncpu a few years ago....
10:52 simoncpu reads docs on fragment caching
10:52 Jarda http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#caching_1
10:54 simoncpu weird, i've just enabled production mode and i got this:
10:54 simoncpu PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function move() on a non-object
10:55 simoncpu http://simoncpu.pastebin.com/FbuGSYdx
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10:59 simoncpu uh... i think i don't have "production" settings in my xml configs
11:00 simoncpu aha! problem solved
11:02 simoncpu what's the advantage of setting send_content_length in AgaviWebResponse to true?
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11:03 steffkes that the browser knows how large the file is, that he actually loads
11:03 steffkes and that help's him to render it better/quicker
11:04 steffkes and for files .. show the user an progressbar .. because it's possible, otherwise not
11:04 simoncpu cool
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11:20 simoncpu eh
11:20 simoncpu why does "Go Netherlands" in dutch translates to "Go Canada" in english?
11:20 steffkes :D
11:21 simoncpu try it on translate.google.com
11:21 steffkes some unknown worldcup google-fun?
11:22 simoncpu hahaha
11:22 skade ?
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12:00 _cheerios huomenta
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12:51 AshishG has been travelling but now he is home
12:52 AshishG can't wait for Germany's match
12:53 jurica_ :)
12:53 jurica_ germany is going to win!
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12:53 AshishG i am hoping! :)
12:55 AshishG muller shouldn't have been yellow carded against maradona
12:55 jurica this yellow card was a bad joke
12:55 jurica messi also touched the ball with his arm
12:56 AshishG exactly
12:56 jurica but m?ller will be back in the final! :D
12:57 jurica i hope so much that it istn trochowsky whos going to play for m?ller but kroos
12:58 AshishG :)
12:59 AshishG btw, how do you stype that u
12:59 AshishG s/stype/type
13:06 Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: codecop
13:06 AshishG does one require a special keyboard or soemthing
13:08 sth alt+u
13:08 sth ?
13:09 Netsplit over, joins: codecop
13:09 sth or you could just buy a German keyboard
13:09 steffkes high-quality german keyboard :D
13:12 sth no such thing :)
13:13 AshishG :D
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13:14 AshishG alt + u = url list (m on mIRC)
13:17 steffkes just type ue .. it's okay for the nerd-chat ;D
13:22 Jarda in skandinavian keyboard we have ?-button left to enter
13:22 Jarda so pressing that button and afterwards u gives ?
13:23 sth on a mac: alt+u+u
13:23 sth alt+u o = ?
13:23 sth and so on
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13:28 MikeSeth what I am supposed to infer from a female employee sending an email to my system administrator address that has "fuck on the proxy" for subject
13:30 saracen She wants to have sex with you, via proxy. The proxy will be a man.
13:33 sth Or, if you have a proxy that filters content, she either wants porn unblocked or blocked
13:33 steffkes hrhr
13:34 steffkes http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/07/06/worldrsquos_greatest_work_in_progress/
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13:47 jurica AshishG: sorry went to lunch ;)
13:47 jurica i have a german keyboard ;)
13:48 jurica ? ? ? ? ? ? i have tem all :)
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13:49 sth you missed ss
13:49 jurica its no umlaut
13:50 sth Sure, but it's a retarded German char :)
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13:50 jurica thats right, but ??? arent retarded!
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14:28 AshishG smells racism
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14:39 sth I guess it's insitutionalised racism
14:40 sth Like the Welsh and English
14:40 jurica why does making a vmware snapshot takes forever?!?!
14:41 AshishG sth: hehe, you probably are gonna love sickipedia.org
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15:04 saracen sth: I literally hate your face
15:04 saracen just your face
15:04 saracen everything else is fine
15:04 jurica LOL
15:04 steffkes :D
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15:27 _cheerios oh the amount of sweat after a jog in this weather o_O
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22:27 AshishG Fck, Germany lost
22:28 AshishG I'm hating the idiotic octopus.
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22:40 AshishG Fcking octopus
22:48 AshishG 80% accuracy :-/
22:48 AshishG Anyway, no more cribbing, nite
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23:08 _cheerios mmm... airflow on the balls + munching watermelon = bliss
23:20 _cheerios alien vs ninja http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_QC2fatXQ
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09:09 Yossi_B Huomenta
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10:50 Yossi_B Everyone saw that yet? http://www.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUIrVofeRh0g&ei=7JA1TOb5KuSUsQbEwNzLAQ&usg=A​FQjCNGKtcdOAH0segIJYT8zxWjRrHRxLw&sig2=EQE7AOYEYPzo4QEefYYlXQ
10:50 jurica the link is broken
10:50 Yossi_B sorry that - http://www.google.co.il/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CB4QtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%​2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUIrVofeRh0g&ei=7JA1TOb5KuSUsQbEwNzLAQ&usg=AFQjCNG​KtcdOAH0segIJYT8zxWjRrHRxLw&sig2=EQE7AOYEYPzo4QEefYYlXQ
10:51 jurica haha due to sony the vid isnt availible anymore
10:51 Yossi_B LOL
10:51 Yossi_B too bad...
10:53 macen that's quality
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12:50 _cheerios huomenta!
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13:23 AshishG online from my nexus one :D
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13:30 saracen I guess it must be *that* good.
13:30 sth They really are.
13:31 _cheerios with android 2.2 and all?
13:32 _cheerios im hoping for some mobile dev end of this year
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13:52 macen the google.com/phone demo doesn't look very slick
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15:22 _cheerios jog FTW!
15:23 macen jog?
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15:34 saracen sth: I'm not a window cleaner!
15:40 sth Sure you are.
15:40 sth You licked the windows of the special bus really clean.
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19:39 J-P does someone knows (by any chances) a flash or flex (or something) embeddable pdf viewer ?
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04:16 movvy- PHP Fatal error: Class 'OutputStream' not found in /var/www/portal.seamless-soft.com/OperationPortal/opt/agavi/src/build/agavi/scri​pt/agavi.php on line 43
04:20 movvy- :<
04:53 movvy- sigh i cant get the agavi script to run on any box
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07:47 saracen movvy-: OutputStream isn't an Agavi class
07:47 saracen If it can't be found, it probably isnt in your path or autoloads
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09:23 simoncpu yay, it's friday
09:23 simoncpu tomorrow, it's saturday!
09:23 simoncpu then the day after that is sunday
09:23 simoncpu and then, back to monday :(
09:23 jurica some people also call it "weekend"
09:24 simoncpu O.o
09:24 jurica without the evil monday thing of course ;)
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12:17 _cheerios huomenta
12:17 ttj Yo.
12:18 simoncpu keikari!
12:18 simoncpu huomenta keikari!!!
12:18 jurica i clearly need more ram :(
12:19 simoncpu wazzup koira
12:19 simoncpu uh....
12:19 simoncpu does the phrase makes sense?
12:19 simoncpu yo koira, huomenta!
12:20 ttj simoncpu: Cut back on caffeine?
12:20 simoncpu hahaha
12:21 simoncpu do you guys know of a funny explitive in finnish?
12:21 simoncpu when learning new languages, explitives are the first thing that you learn, right?
12:22 ttj No, but do tell.
12:22 simoncpu CakePHP!!!!
12:22 simoncpu you are a CakePHP!!!
12:22 simoncpu your mom is Zend!
12:22 simoncpu =))
12:29 _cheerios "you use PHP?" is pretty funny
12:41 _cheerios backing up 812k items. wtf is this time machine shit.
12:46 macen i can't resist - you must be kidding
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12:47 macen it's like an automated version control for your filesystem
12:47 macen a life saver
12:57 sth Apple should have made the icon a delorean for Time Machine
12:57 sth I assume the comments of the source code are littered with references to time machine popculture refs
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16:08 macen anybody else noticing Beanstalk running slow?
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16:24 Wombert Beanstalk is terrible
16:24 Wombert and slow
16:24 Wombert and terrible
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16:35 simoncpu hi
16:35 simoncpu i think i've asked you guys about what's the most lightweight e-commerce frameworks out there
16:35 simoncpu but i forgot what that is
16:36 simoncpu can you guys recommend lightweight frameworks? i've read about magento and oscommerce
16:36 simoncpu and my impression is that they are heavy
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17:07 J-P anyone here worked a bit with AwStats ?
17:08 steffkes yes J-P
17:08 J-P ok I think I might be having a problem here but I'm not sure
17:08 steffkes at the beginning .. when nobody tolds me that logfile analysis sucks :D
17:09 J-P yeah well, I have to generate one...
17:09 J-P ayway
17:09 steffkes yes okay, and the maybe-problem?
17:09 J-P I generated my awstats report
17:09 steffkes :>
17:09 J-P when I look at the Pages-Url section
17:09 J-P i see URL that does not belong to the site I analysed
17:09 J-P url which I believe was the referer
17:10 J-P but listed as a site URL
17:11 J-P let me show you
17:12 steffkes oh yes .. please, i think i understand, but never seen that
17:13 J-P http://canesoral.bayer.dev.lemieuxbedard.ca/stats/awstats.canesoral.ca.urldetail​.html
17:14 J-P the site I've analysed is canesoral.ca
17:14 J-P so the first few lines in this report are ok : / /flash/Box_... /en/...
17:14 J-P but what is /MSOffice/cltreq.asp
17:15 J-P I fear the data could be wrong
17:16 Wombert http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=MSOffice%2Fcltreq.asp&aq=f&aqi=g1​&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
17:16 Wombert first hit
17:16 Wombert ...
17:16 steffkes some script-kiddies .. ;D
17:16 steffkes lol? ms-office to the request :D
17:17 steffkes J-P, some other wired urls .. may be generated by test-hack-scripts things .. just to test maybe-exploits on your website
17:18 J-P okay Wombert, what about "/radio%20metropole" then
17:18 Wombert ...
17:18 steffkes bye guys .. nice weekend
17:18 Wombert read what steffkes just told you
17:18 Wombert anyone can request any URL on your site
17:19 Wombert maybe it's a bot
17:19 Wombert maybe it's a worm trying to find victims
17:19 Wombert maybe it's a script kiddie trying to find an exploit
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17:20 J-P if such bot or something request /mysite/some-page, wouldn't it count for the page /mysite/some-page being requested
17:20 J-P instead of /some-weird-bot ?
17:21 J-P I'm just trying to understand here...
17:23 Wombert I don't understand what you mean
17:23 J-P go to : http://canesoral.bayer.dev.lemieuxbedard.ca/stats/awstats.canesoral.ca.urldetail​.html
17:23 J-P This is the list of url being requested
17:23 J-P ahh I get it
17:24 J-P the user requested /Msoffice-thing and got a 404 but it was still logged
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17:26 J-P alright, thanks
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18:01 _cheerios samsung galaxy s is tempting some, seeing adverts in cellphone shops... but i don't want an android that comes with <2.2
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18:04 Jarda don't buy samsun
18:04 Jarda buy htc
18:05 Jarda sense > *
18:05 Jarda (sense is the ui of htc androids)
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18:08 sth If you get an android phone, get one with the stock firmware
18:10 Wombert sth: why?
18:10 Wombert sth: why would you not enjoy waiting half a year for a firmware update
18:10 Wombert sth: or an entirely different UX than people using an LG phone
18:10 Wombert or a samsung phone
18:10 Wombert or a stock google phone
18:11 sth heh
18:11 sth I won't be buying an android phone again.
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20:20 _cheerios uh, a nap totally destroyed me. smoothie to the rescue.
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23:35 _cheerios sober, home, programming heimoi.com... a fine friday-saturday :)
23:37 ttj Sober, home, drinking hot chocolate and waiting for Barbarians at the Gate to get downloaded onto the PS3.
23:39 ttj http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarians_at_the_Gate_(film)
23:40 _cheerios im reading Silicon Valley Journey still (upto chapter 3 or so) http://www.tekes.fi/fi/community/Etusivu/307/Julkaisun%20tiedot/1308?id=130274
23:40 _cheerios i've the softcover, up there as .pdf -- worth reading if interested in doing biz in america
23:43 _cheerios i'd have to read onto what LBO really means to understand the gist of it, the abstract there didn't help :)
23:45 ttj LBO = take debt, buy out a company. :P
23:45 _cheerios thanks :)
23:46 ttj Sort of like if I take debt in the form of credit cards to finance my studies (an investment). Eventually I fail to pay back the debt and the more valuable parts of me (e.g. my teeth) are broken off and sold to the highest bidders.
23:46 ttj Turns out there's a business doing the same with companies.
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00:03 _cheerios somehow this reminded me of mice. heard of transformice? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJReZRji7tg
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10:22 _cheerios huomenta
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10:35 _cheerios oh man, have to jump into html5 custom-fonts today, they look so much better on browsers that support 'em
10:45 _cheerios http://www.fontspring.com/
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11:06 _cheerios floored by the difference o_O
11:06 _cheerios fonts really have sucked in past years...
11:08 graste :-)
11:32 _cheerios wth, getting 206 Partial Content on firefox for a font-face
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11:48 _cheerios ah, maybe it's the same access origin rule for fonts on ffox
11:54 _cheerios that was it. meh, not even subdomains (tho port is different)
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12:06 _cheerios only side-effect noticed so far is the slight flicker as the font renders
12:15 _cheerios applying font to whole page makes it feel a bit "dreamy"
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12:16 hzilla huomenta
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12:44 _cheerios i just don't get CSS yet it seems, when i override something via .foo a{} it doesn't apply at all, i need to use style="" tags in a itself.
12:45 graste css specifity is the key
12:45 graste specificity
12:45 graste the more specific your rule, the more important it gets
12:46 graste otherwise it's order of rules in the css file
12:47 _cheerios another @font-face problem; as the font is first rendered without the custom font, there's movement in bound spaces, as the custom rendered font is not always the same size
12:47 graste ".foo a" would be less important than let's say "#page .foo a" etc.
12:47 _cheerios id's trump classes with order?
12:48 graste ids trump classes
12:49 graste classes trump element selectors
12:49 graste etc pp
12:49 graste but it's not that easy
12:49 graste but for most cases that's enough
12:50 graste http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2010/04/07/css-specificity-and-inheritance/
12:50 graste is perhaps a good introduction
12:51 _cheerios thanks
12:53 _cheerios i wish i could get rid off this @font-face flicker when applying it to my css just on the go, i guess the seams are braking
12:53 graste the browser has to request the font first - perhaps they're displaying the site while still d/l the font
12:54 _cheerios ah, i noticed the movement happens only when doing force-refresh downloading everything again
12:54 _cheerios this is better now :)
12:55 _cheerios too used to ctrl+refresh always
12:58 _cheerios correction: happens on reload, but not when clicking via anchors to a page.
13:00 _cheerios best stylistic improvement with least effort this @font-face change...
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14:18 _cheerios <3 site with @font-face changes
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20:55 movvy hzilla!
21:02 _cheerios anyone know how to translate this to a western street address? Suginami???3??33-14
21:02 _cheerios what's the "street address" part?
21:17 _cheerios 1-1 eh, germany looks a bit lazy on the defense
21:17 movvy it sure isn't the epic destruction that was argentina
21:17 movvy that was awesome
21:20 _cheerios which team did the squad choose for this game?
21:20 _cheerios *squid
21:21 movvy i dont know actually
21:38 _cheerios SWEET
21:39 _cheerios love butt's expression :p
21:44 _cheerios uru goalie is n00b
21:44 _cheerios both goals are on him
22:01 movvy hmm
22:01 movvy so im using the mail function
22:02 movvy and it comes from www-data
22:02 movvy im guessing thats the account the webserver runs under in linux
22:02 movvy how do I change that address :)
22:03 movvy ahh, looks like a DNS issue
22:03 movvy I will work on it :)
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22:05 v-dogg dns? sounds like a missin From header to me
22:06 movvy I put in from
22:06 movvy http://drupal.org/node/48533
22:06 movvy but maybe this is drupal specific lol
22:07 movvy interesting
22:07 movvy i think you are right
22:07 movvy To avoid this, either set the X-From or directly use the pear mail class and directly send it via smtp over the appropriate mailbox.
22:11 AshishG 2:3, pause the frigging scoreboard :D
22:11 AshishG sorry, continue
22:20 _cheerios nice finish
22:22 hzilla_ _cheerios: Suginami???????????
22:23 _cheerios some tokyo city
22:23 hzilla_ ?? = chome - can be reomved and replaced with - so 3-33-14
22:24 hzilla_ ??? is the sub city
22:24 hzilla_ u would have to look that up somehow
22:24 hzilla_ suginami is hte prefecture
22:25 _cheerios is chome something like "th" or "rd" (as in 5th, 3rd...)?
22:25 hzilla_ chome is like block
22:26 hzilla_ haven't come across a translator but u could lookup lat/lng then reverse lookup again
22:26 hzilla_ perhaps two different apis such as yahoo + google
22:26 _cheerios k. this is just a random point i chose to try and understand the data when in japan.
22:27 hzilla_ alternatively u might be able to lookup through a jp post office api
22:28 hzilla_ yeh basically its prefecture,city,district-subdistrict-buildingno.
22:28 hzilla_ + apartment or building name
22:28 hzilla_ but for most maps u don't get that
22:29 hzilla_ note tokyo is a state not a city
22:29 hzilla_ i mean prefecture
22:29 hzilla_ so tokyo,shibuya,jingumae3-2-1
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22:30 hzilla_ note that if written in kanji there's no commas so u need to be able to read the kanji
22:31 hzilla_ however in the example u gave its broken into english prefecture then city in kanji then local numbers
22:35 hzilla_ actually this is a better structure: prefecture,city,subcity chome-block-buildingno.
22:37 _cheerios i looked it up with finnish google maps settings, not japanese -- probably why
22:37 hzilla_ poss. google's address is not that accurate in japan tho
22:40 movvy v-dogg
22:40 movvy it was totally the headers
22:40 movvy thanks so much!
22:40 movvy got it working :)
22:41 movvy very exciting :)
22:43 movvy hzilla, how was japan?
22:44 hzilla_ good thanks.
22:44 movvy how long were you there?
22:44 movvy seems like awhile!
22:44 hzilla_ 2 months or so
22:44 movvy thats pretty damn awesome
22:44 hzilla_ yeh it is :)
23:13 _cheerios regex question; how do i regex match any of the unicode numbers in that street address (Suginami???3??33-14)? I couldn't get \d to give me jack.
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23:15 hzilla_ they are double byte numbers
23:16 hzilla_ so not sure how to match double byte digits
23:16 hzilla_ maybe need to set an explicit unicode range
23:19 _cheerios k, i'll let japan addresses rest in the backburner for a while; got carried away :)
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10:57 _cheerios huomenta
11:04 v-dogg huuuuuhhuomenta
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11:12 _cheerios http://www.google.ru/intl/ru/landing/transsib/
11:12 _cheerios lots of video on rails, crossing russia
11:13 _cheerios reading a blurb on bill gates again puts me in awe http://www.kpkaiser.com/entrepreneurship/the-bill-gates-capital-play/
11:15 _cheerios i hope i can release next version of heimoi.com by tonight. should be doable. templates to tweak mostly left.
11:37 v-dogg 29,0 ?C
11:37 v-dogg would be a killer with out AC in the kids' room
11:38 v-dogg noisy but still worth every fecking euro
12:08 _cheerios AC required in finnish homes. times have changed..
12:12 graste ^^
12:13 graste there is no such thing as climate change :D
12:13 graste ask the fins
12:13 graste <:
12:20 v-dogg 29,7 ?C
13:10 v-dogg 30,6 ?C
13:11 _cheerios the night temperatures are currently at the level of normal warm finnish summer days :)
13:22 ttj Hmm... It was perfectly comfortable sitting in the shade at a bistro by the water enjoying the breeze, but why was I so stupid that I decided to come home...
13:22 sth next time take an iPad and then you can web surf :)
13:23 ttj Planning to pick up a couple of iPads from NYC and then deal them to Apple fanbois in Finland for a profit.
13:23 ttj Hopefully Apple won't launch them in Finland this year.
13:30 _cheerios jog + then swim in munkkiniemi later for today
13:31 _cheerios office fanboi got one, was all over it for a few weeks, now just thinks its useless :) (not sure if due that the appstore didnt launch so far, and that many of the ipad apps are quite alpha-quality)
13:32 sth The lack of an appstore might be a problem :)
13:53 ttj Can't you use the US one or something?
14:01 _cheerios ttj, apparently not, country-specific.
14:03 sth Depends if you have a US iTunes account
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14:17 v-dogg and there goes the 31C limit
14:17 v-dogg what's the weather like in Germyland?
14:22 sth Hot.
14:23 sth 31C apparently
14:23 ttj 40 degrees in Berlin, based on Facebook-complaints.
14:23 sth 36C according to Google
14:27 _cheerios templates polished \o/ -> jog
14:28 v-dogg no jog, release dammit
14:29 ttj Jogs were already done yesterday. Today was gym day.
14:29 _cheerios heh. jogged every day cept friday this week. (but been lazy on jogging all summer till now...)
14:30 ttj Where are you jogging?
14:30 _cheerios a small run around lepp?vaara
14:31 _cheerios 1-2 weeks more to be in shape to run usual tenner, i guess
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15:10 _cheerios phe-eeew. sweatyness.
15:25 _cheerios mmm.... robber's steak (rosvopaisti) from Wursti is <3
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16:07 _cheerios such inner hate towards shitty orms now after building one myself.
16:08 _cheerios dunno what's happening, i felt sick inside looking at shoddy open-source code one evening o_O
16:20 _cheerios hmm, textareas in opera grey by default (not white as with ff+chrome). some tweaking still it seems.
16:21 _cheerios and @font-face not loading for firefox, just for chrome+opera. meh.
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16:41 _cheerios glad to have minor problems to deal with, for a change.
16:41 _cheerios ->swimming!
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18:37 movvy oi
19:03 _cheerios seaside swimming <3
19:56 _cheerios Q: is it possible to clear rules for a given class, or do I have to override each value (eg. padding: 5px; -> padding: 0px;)?
20:12 graste1 just define a rule with higher specificity and overwrite the value
20:13 graste1 so .item will be red and underlined, while li.item will be more specific and not underlined
20:13 graste1 something like that
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20:58 _cheerios holland's karate kid on the field!
21:00 horros quite the ninja
21:04 _cheerios the game needs a goal badly
21:07 _cheerios hahaha, matiesen is too old for this game
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21:11 horros This is a boring game.
21:13 _cheerios yup. could even be decided with someone getting the red, as both teams are too lazy to play
21:13 horros yah
21:19 ttj Oh right, the football nonsense is still going on?
21:21 horros finals right now.
21:21 horros hol - esp
21:22 ttj Yeah. Just opened up the TV. Might as well watch the first match of this sillyness.
21:35 horros stupidly boring
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21:46 horros Oh my. I might actually have to drag my arse to Helsinki on the 7th of next month.
21:46 v-dogg poor you
21:49 _cheerios OMG
21:49 horros s?k?ll? jalkaan :X
21:50 horros oops, wrong channel
21:50 ttj What's wrong with coming to Helsinki?
21:50 horros Always tricky to figure out where to stuff the dog etc.
21:51 ttj I would imagine that stuffing the dog would be a one-time issue. :P
21:51 horros but; talk missus into looking after the dog -> catch the beat (early reggae, 50s/60s r'n'b, ska, motown and northern soul)
21:54 ttj Ha. There is justice in the world. My ex has fattened up.
21:55 horros :D
21:56 _cheerios LOL
21:56 horros HA!
21:57 horros ps.
21:57 horros BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
21:57 ttj So who am I supposed to support out of these two?
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22:27 _cheerios well fk me. css compressed foils @font-face
22:50 _cheerios the red came, but so late might not affect anything.
22:53 horros lol robben
22:55 _cheerios finally ended
22:56 horros ffff
22:57 v-dogg who won?
22:57 ttj Spain.
22:57 _cheerios 4mins to go, spain 1-0
22:57 _cheerios holland 8 players on field :)
22:57 ttj Some annoying little fucker filmed twice and now scored a goal.
22:58 horros + completely rubbish ref.
23:02 _cheerios barcelona wins!
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23:05 _cheerios finally deployed heimoi.com
23:05 _cheerios made it a few mins before midnight :)
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23:20 _cheerios wow, stadium looks great
23:29 ttj Oh great, now there's some jerk shouting "ESPANJA!" in the street.
23:32 sth That's nothing, there's millions of Germans speaking German here :x
23:32 ttj Haha. :)
23:33 _cheerios lol
23:42 _cheerios meetings in the morning -> zz
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08:40 _cheerios huomenta!
08:45 _cheerios wth, safari5 supposedly has geolocation support but I can't get it to work anywhere on the web w/samples
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09:17 _cheerios v-dogg: I noticed you poked around heimoi, what did you think so far?
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10:02 v-dogg _cheerios: interesting
10:03 v-dogg but not much to see yet at least at my area :)
10:04 _cheerios no aggregation of outside data yet, and only a few testers. Post something w/location to help on that part.
10:04 _cheerios i noticed I need to create a note for beta testers, as most just browse around for a few minutes, which doesn't help me much. :)
10:12 v-dogg excuse my newbieness but how do I post something?-)
10:12 _cheerios dashboard has an input mechanism that expands when clicked.
10:13 _cheerios i really need to write that introduction that ppl have been asking me of :D
10:13 v-dogg :)
10:15 jurica im curious, what are you talking about? :)
10:18 _cheerios jurica: http://heimoi.com my latest project
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10:19 jurica hmm looks interesting...
10:20 sth Morning
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13:28 _cheerios http://globalwebindex.net/thinking/lite/
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16:31 hzilla mongodb?
16:32 steffkes- couch!
16:32 jurica relax!
16:36 hzilla damn software moves too fast
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16:39 steffkes- fullack
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17:31 saracen mytvmongo > couch
17:31 saracen opps
17:31 saracen mongo > couch*
17:35 sth poop > your face
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17:36 _cheerios home sweet home
17:43 saracen oh what
17:43 saracen argh
17:43 saracen My girlfriend has cut the cheese all wrong :(
17:44 _cheerios v-dogg, the 500 error was caused by a frackin' print -line. Fixed. I need to debug more gracefully locally :p
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09:06 _cheerios huomenta!
09:10 simoncpu huomenta keikari
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11:05 _cheerios jurica, no account for you it seems. foreignkey failure :)
11:07 v-dogg heimoi discriminates foreigners :p
11:08 _cheerios i'll fix that tonight. just finnish+german supported. working multi-database code, seems a bit of data-sync kinks still.
11:08 _cheerios *finnish+english, not german
11:35 jurica ah was afk right after sign up
11:35 jurica so i exposed a bug? :)
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11:40 jurica what would be the easyest way to validate a xml file? write a custom validator?
11:44 sth validate it in what way?
11:44 sth As in agavi validator or to check if it's a well formed doc?
11:45 jurica to check if the format fits my expectations
11:45 sth You need to write a DTD then
11:45 sth and then validate against it
11:48 jurica how do i validate against a dtd?
11:49 steffkes xsd whould be easer, hm? writing dtd .. *uargh*
11:50 jurica sd? the xml is quite simple so writing the dtd woultn be too hard
11:52 steffkes xsd .. xml schema definitoon .. i personally like the xsd way more then the dtd .. but both is possible, of course
11:52 sth I forgot about xsd files :)
11:52 sth XSD would be easier
11:53 steffkes and to answer your question .. create a DomDocument, load the file, setup the dtd/xsd-relation .. and let it the server do the work
11:53 steffkes s/it//
11:58 jurica hmm sorry dont unserstand it completly ;) right now i'm at the point that i have a usable upload for my xml file and some schema definition xsd or dtd on the server, how to setup this relation you're talking about?
11:59 steffkes okay, basically, there are two ways (at least for dtd) .. include the relation to the dtd-file, in your xml file. then you can load it, and validate it .. because you know which dtd to use
12:00 steffkes if there is no notice/info inside the document, which dtd to use .. you can set this information after loading the xml-document. that is also the way to go, for the xsd
12:00 steffkes quick example: http://pastebin.com/MxhRyMJR
12:01 jurica the xml is delivered by a thrid party, so theres no notice to the dtd inside...
12:01 jurica thanks i think that'll help me!
12:01 steffkes like said .. that's only one possibilty .. the other is, to load it, and do the relation afterwards .. like in the sample with the xsd
12:02 steffkes checkErrors() is btw nothing other then libxml_get_errors() handling
12:02 steffkes which contains LibXMLError Objects with further information about the errors
12:03 jurica and whats is the right place for that validation code? the model that handles my xml?
12:03 jurica or a seperate validator?
12:04 steffkes that's a good question .. which i cannot answer, sorry ;) just played around with agavi. but i'd try an seperate validator, but seperate the steps
12:05 steffkes so .. now .. lunchtime =) brb
12:05 jurica bye ;) and thanks!
12:05 sth I'd do it in the a validator (then you can use FPF if there's an error)
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12:06 sth So you basically end up extending the file upload validator
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12:09 jurica perfect, that helped a lot! brb
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12:53 _cheerios mfking time machine backing up 7gigs of something every hour. sigh. going off permanently.
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20:07 _cheerios hothothothot.
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20:11 ttj _cheerios: It's quite cool at the terrace...
20:12 _cheerios NOT POSSIBLE. i found the coolest place to Sello. great air contioning inside.
20:12 _cheerios *to be
20:12 _cheerios if i was a laptop-guy...
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20:50 _cheerios jurica, the problem you ran into reminded me of another thing to fix. Good thing to invite non-finns for testing! :)
20:50 jurica hehe
20:50 jurica tell me when i should try it again
21:02 _cheerios anyone know of a country_code => (main) language_code mapping?
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21:20 _cheerios jurica, you can try now :knock wood:
21:21 jurica my username and mailadress is taken!
21:22 _cheerios i'll go and clear them, user creation died half-way
21:22 jurica kk
21:22 jurica what db backend are you using?
21:22 _cheerios mysql
21:23 jurica ah
21:27 _cheerios database cleanup when something dies half-way == pain :)
21:27 jurica haha i know what youre talking about ;)
21:27 jurica tell me when youre done
21:38 _cheerios jurica, i updated data manually -- you can try loggin' in directly and see if I got 'em fields right
21:38 jurica works
21:39 _cheerios not much in the service, but feel free to play around and post stuff to test it
21:39 jurica kk
21:40 jurica i do agree with what you said, you should write this introduction :p
21:46 _cheerios techie believes everything is obvious, nobody understands techie :)
21:47 jurica epic: the sign up link on the landing page when youre logged in :p
21:48 v-dogg that actually confused me too :)
21:48 v-dogg "what didn't I sign in?"
21:49 jurica :)
21:50 _cheerios hmm. intentionally mainpage untouched. I can remove that part. :)
21:51 jurica the learn more link is fine, but the sign up button is kind of unnecessary
21:51 _cheerios jurica, the Nearby-page didn't work due cookie problem (missing data). I need to work on that part. I'm storing geolocation to cookie, but geodata takes a while to process; sometimes in time, sometimes not.
21:52 jurica ah, so i need to delete the cookie for the nearby page?
21:53 _cheerios no. it _should_ fix it self, but could be broken too :) what browser are you on?
21:53 jurica safari 5 on mac os
21:53 _cheerios Safari is only browser that doesn't support geolocation. Even version5, even when they say it should.
21:53 jurica lol
21:53 sth It does
21:54 _cheerios how? do they have their own api?
21:54 sth Prefs -> Security -> Location Services
21:54 _cheerios i used the w3c method at work, did nothing.
21:54 _cheerios ah, turned off by default? lol
21:54 _cheerios well, good to know, will need to add that to a faq.
21:54 sth It's turned on by default
21:55 jurica the google map isnt working when adding a post, is this a general bug?
21:55 _cheerios never worked at office, i'll check that setting tomorrow
21:55 _cheerios jurica, same cookie problem w/missing location.
21:55 jurica ah
21:55 sth navigator.geolocation.getCurrentPosition()
21:58 jurica nearby page doesnt work althou i enabled geolocation
21:59 sth html5demos.com/geo
21:59 sth worked fine for me
22:01 _cheerios jurica, k, i need more work on that pesky cookie.
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22:03 jurica yep in firefox it works :p
22:03 sth works in safari too
22:04 jurica not fo rme
22:04 sth Do you have it disabled in Sys Prefs -> Security?
22:05 jurica sysprefs?
22:06 jurica ah
22:06 jurica no location services arent disabled
22:07 sth safari 5 has added drag files from finder to upload
22:07 sth Try it in Gmail
22:07 jurica google is NOT seeing my mails!
22:08 sth ...
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22:14 _cheerios deffo need to fix this thing before going public. i'd go nuts with these email-alerts of exceptions :)
22:14 jurica haha
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22:16 MikeSeth weee
22:16 _cheerios i need to learn to chain javascript too, anyone done that, to keep this synced? eg. ajaxcall()->showmessage()->getbeer() ?
22:16 MikeSeth You know, I find Agavi and Python a perfect combination
22:17 MikeSeth _cheerios: you want to script an interactive scenario?
22:17 MikeSeth ordinarily this is done with callbacks and event queues and timers
22:18 _cheerios yeah, ordinarily i have callbacks, but .. when i want that callback to fire, and then things to proceed...
22:18 MikeSeth just the chaining itself is easy, you just return the instnce of this
22:18 MikeSeth well I imagine you can wrap the callback in a function
22:18 MikeSeth er, not the callback
22:19 MikeSeth rather the result the chainable methods return
22:19 _cheerios i saw some worker queue implementations on ajaxian a while back, but havent had the time to look into 'em yet (no dire need)
22:19 MikeSeth _cheerios: you can script event-driven scenarios in any modern framework
22:19 _cheerios like http://ajaxian.com/archives/javascript-asynchronous-method-queue-chaining
22:19 _cheerios im using jquery. any tips for that one?
22:20 MikeSeth so if you want chainable syntax for that purpose you'd be basically writing a DSL that schedules stuff and binds events
22:20 MikeSeth in jquery you have tools to schedule stuff forward and work with events
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22:33 jurica test
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09:28 _cheerios does anyone here have a need for a better orm, to co-dev it some on github? i'd like to get mine to betaish-usable stage.. but it needs some programming still.
09:29 _cheerios core is <2k lines, most beautiful php ever :)
09:29 jurica rofl
09:29 steffkes better orm? °-°
09:29 steffkes always interested :D
09:30 jurica post the github link, i would like to take a look at it
09:30 _cheerios it's missing where-construct recursion, and joins; then a basic sql-package would be ready. point would be to get it usable for nosql databass then (mongo, redis etc.)
09:32 _cheerios jurica: i'll try to get it up by end of this weekend then.
09:32 _cheerios (will learn me some github while at it)
09:33 jurica oh if its not on github yet dont hesitate with uloading, im quite loaded with my own stuff for the moment :) but im very curious about such projects
09:34 _cheerios k, well, putting it out might attract some experienced php-dev. will see. i don't need tickets/feature-requests, i need patches. :)
09:34 jurica but its worth learning git ;)
09:34 jurica hehe
09:34 _cheerios im using git already, just not github.
09:35 jurica ah
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13:33 saracen Wombert
13:34 Wombert hai saracen
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15:19 _cheerios whee
15:21 MikeSeth let me show you my pokemans
15:21 MikeSeth my pokemans
15:21 MikeSeth let me show you them
15:30 _cheerios i gave my pinkie to the devil, volunteered to lead a project at ze company i work for.
15:47 saracen You should get your men to port Quake to Agavi on company time
16:02 sth You should get them to write a JS PDF viewer
16:03 saracen Or a javascript interpreter, so that people with javascript disabled can still run javascript.
16:03 saracen javascript interpreter in javascript*
16:06 Wombert that won't work
16:06 Wombert well it would
16:06 Wombert but
16:06 Wombert basic stuff you could even do with node.js
16:06 Wombert however
16:06 Wombert you need a browser for the DOM
16:06 Wombert and related stuff
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16:08 sth Wombert: I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
16:09 Wombert sth: I am German, remember?
16:09 sth Oh right, no concept of sarcasm
16:10 saracen lol
16:10 saracen And yes. I was being sarcastic :(
16:11 saracen With everybody else using javascript to emulate pre-existing technologies, it makes sense to try to make a javascript interpreter in JS
16:15 jurica isnt it allways claimed as very big step for a programming language when its compilier can compile itself, so wouldnt selfinterpretation make sense too then? ;)
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16:19 sth A JS PDF reader would be cool
16:20 jurica why?
16:22 sth Just to say it can be done
16:22 sth Same reason for the Gordon runtime
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16:35 nfq yoyo Wombert
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19:31 __cheerios i hate it when frameworks suck. like django now. it often feels like a product of ex-php scriptkiddies.
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19:41 jurica whats wrong with it?
19:42 __cheerios it's a can of worms, i say
19:43 __cheerios http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/11077
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19:53 jurica haha: "The Web framework for perfectionists with deadlines." i guess you totally agree? :)
19:55 Wombert __cheerios: the obvious point was when they added support for more than one database connection to django
19:55 Wombert the
19:55 __cheerios read about Android experiences on the net, seems HTC Desire has shitty radio components (hard to get good 3G). Samsung Galaxy S then again doesn't have Froyo, and seemingly low battery life. :|
19:55 Wombert the patch was 21000 lines
19:55 Wombert check it out: http://code.djangoproject.com/changeset/11952
19:55 Wombert lame, huh?
19:56 __cheerios Wombert, I'm using that code -- and well, the code has bugs like: I need to PRINT a variable for code to work. That's Django for you.
19:56 __cheerios The framework is made of magical fail.
19:57 __cheerios Funny, I've multidb support in my orm and it's <2k lines. Go figure.
19:58 jurica would you give me an example where one would need multiple database (connections) in one request?
19:59 __cheerios working with many different sources of data that are under your control
20:00 jurica concrete example please, perhaps im just to narrow minded right now
20:01 __cheerios database A has Peanuts, database B has Salt. You want both for salted peanuts.
20:02 jurica i would call it a database design mistake :p and put everything in one db
20:04 __cheerios all eggs in one basket needs a big basket
20:05 __cheerios made a workaround for #11077 that did not require touching django source (thank god). now, maybe I can get work done.
20:06 __cheerios Wombert, the sad part is, frameworks rule by popularity use -- and Django's going to be around for a long time. It's like the PHP of frameworks.
20:07 __cheerios Though PHP 5.3 and onwards looks like quite a good package. How have you guys been liking it?
20:10 __cheerios I enjoyed most of the features except namespaces. If there was a setting to have PHP-functions to work without \ in front, it'd be OKish.
20:10 Wombert yeah, it's pretty good
20:15 __cheerios disappointing, i tweeted my django hate and no new followers. will check in a few days if I can google my statement :)
20:16 __cheerios the more I've done web-dev, the more i'd want solid libs that do one thing well, that I could use together to make the "best framework ever".
20:16 __cheerios (in an ad-hoc manner, not as in make a new framework)
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20:55 __cheerios tweaking the UI, tweaking the UI
21:12 __cheerios whee, peoples on twitter woke up saying what a sad state of affairs must be. (they're on rails likely :))
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21:21 __cheerios I've tweeted 6 times today. I blame lack of sex due gf being away.
21:24 __cheerios hahaha, facebook has added hover-popups on usernames. closing in on myspace functionality little by little.
21:27 __cheerios v-dogg, I fixed the "Sign Up" while logged-in UI-wtf. :)
21:27 __cheerios Need to fix that geolocation-spaghetti still.
21:28 v-dogg :)
21:29 v-dogg uh.. home desktop makes nasty noises...
21:29 v-dogg time to backup I guess
21:30 luke` __cheerios: whats you twitter handle?
21:35 __cheerios http://twitter.com/mixman
21:51 sth @sthulbourn :P
21:53 hzilla question! if i want to deliver a png using fopen but fopen is disabled in php how do i deliver the png?
21:53 jurica <img src=""> :p ?!?
21:53 sth you can't.
21:53 sth you need to enable file handles
21:53 Jarda sth: you are wrong
21:54 hzilla its a google chart i'm genereating
21:55 hzilla http://pastie.org/1044539
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21:56 v-dogg hzilla: use a http client like Zend_HttpClient (or whatever it's called)
21:56 v-dogg they don't use fopen but sockets
21:56 hzilla i c. curl would not be suitable?
21:57 v-dogg of course it is if it's installed on your server
21:57 v-dogg it's a http client too
21:57 hzilla ok thanks
21:57 v-dogg and if its API don't put you off :)
21:58 v-dogg *doesn't
21:58 sth if file handles are disabled, it doesn't matter how it's accessed since fopen/file/file_get_contents is busted
21:58 Jarda use a decent hosting provider :)
21:58 hzilla hey its my server!
21:59 Jarda then just enable fopen
21:59 hzilla i was locking it down
21:59 hzilla i thought fopen was unsafe?
22:00 v-dogg don't do unsafe things with it :)
22:00 sth No, not really
22:00 sth just don't let retards on the server :)
22:00 v-dogg in a shared environment perhaps
22:00 hzilla hmmm ok it would save time and hassle! i will do that
22:01 v-dogg would disabling file handles also disable http://fi.php.net/stream_socket_client ?
22:01 v-dogg because that's what zend_httpclient uses
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22:05 hzilla woop my site now has charts!
22:12 sth yay
22:15 hzilla gonna add a geo map too. looking forward to that
22:15 sth photoshop has stolen all my ram
22:15 sth and didn't release it after I quit :/
22:17 __cheerios you all have your own domain. ordered mine. can broadcast my ego soon, too.
22:19 jurica hehe
22:19 sth I own my surname :)
22:19 jurica so do i
22:19 __cheerios surname was taken, took first+lastname, will do fine.
22:19 sth I'm also the 4th result for: special memorial state on Google :)
22:20 jurica i love my firstname@surname email address
22:20 sth same
22:21 sth With Gmail as my provider for mail, I can do: name+<tag>@domain.com
22:21 __cheerios godaddy is holding my surname
22:21 jurica one day when google eats all youre mails youll regret it and remember my words
22:22 sth heh
22:22 sth I tried to get David to move the BX emails to Gapps
22:24 jurica thats something i would refuse to do
22:25 Wombert see
22:25 __cheerios people are complaing when their facebook status updates are all over the internet
22:26 sth There's nothing wrong with GApps
22:27 __cheerios seems facebook added rss feeds for them
22:28 sth Wombert: do you have anything to eat or drink up there?
22:28 sth :D
22:28 Wombert sth: I'm at the office
22:28 sth ugh
22:28 jurica haha i guess Wombert will eat all your stuff sth :p
22:29 __cheerios lol
22:29 sth Wombert: LEAVE MY ORAGINA ALONE! I expect it to be in the fridge when I arrive tomorrow
22:30 Wombert there is milk and a little strawberry fruit thingie in my fridge
22:30 sth Orangina*
22:30 sth I'll pass on both :)
22:31 v-dogg Orangina - Squeezed from the finest hand-picked orang-utangs
22:32 v-dogg no sugar added
22:32 sth This is grapefruit flavour
22:32 Wombert oh really?
22:32 Wombert nice
22:32 Wombert lemme go get it
22:32 sth It's the same as the one you took on Tuesday :x
22:32 v-dogg :p
22:34 __cheerios fire alarm went on again, probably same one as earlier today.. lets see if it goes on next at 3am
22:34 jurica Wombert: will prove it for you sth :p
22:36 sth I'm destined to never drink orangina again :x
22:37 jurica not when Wombert is near you
22:37 v-dogg think of all the orangs you'll save
22:40 sth It's not orange flavour :x
22:40 jurica orangs can also press out grapefruits
22:40 Wombert Bohemian Rhapsody 3
22:40 Wombert <3
22:40 Wombert sth: I gave the bottle to Felix
22:40 Wombert he likes it
22:41 jurica haha
22:43 sth :(
22:43 sth Want to take the rest of my Lemon Fanta too?
22:46 graste :>
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22:57 __cheerios What would you choose? 1. rewrite old code (15k lines), then update site 2. bear with the old code, and just do the changes
23:04 jurica bear with the old code!
23:05 jurica atleast unless you plan building new killer features or so
23:05 __cheerios sloccount says 37k lines, but there must be some fluff there.
23:06 graste rewrites are just too bloody expensive most of the time
23:06 graste just fix those issues and get some spare time ;>
23:06 __cheerios fine. /notes down to make plan A that researches possibility of doing changes to current codebase while retaining sanity
23:07 jurica or: find a customer that likes the side and try to convince him to pay the whole rewrite :p
23:08 jurica but im off now, have to get up really early tomorrow... bye
23:08 graste which takes ages and introduces other issues :P
23:08 __cheerios worst thing about the site is doctrine+pdo -mix, as doctrine (1) broke down on so many occasions :(
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23:48 nfq hey Wombert
23:57 hzilla off to belgium in the morn
23:57 Wombert belgium
23:57 Wombert eww
23:57 Wombert hzilla: you in tokyo in two weeks by any chance?
23:58 sth I'm in London tomorrow :D
Day changed Thu Jul 15 2010
00:02 nfq Wombert: got a chance to chat tomorrow?
00:02 Wombert maybe
00:02 Wombert maybe not
00:02 nfq I'd really appreciate it
00:02 Wombert nfq: can't you just send me an email? :(
00:02 nfq won't take long
00:02 nfq Wombert: I'll try but it's a topic which needs voice chat
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00:17 hzilla i'm back in london now
00:17 hzilla whats your plan there?
00:18 sth pass through, go to the apple store
00:18 sth try and buy an iPhone
00:21 hzilla u goin to sth?
00:21 hzilla too
00:22 sth eh?
00:22 hzilla ru going to jp?
00:22 sth Oh, no.
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00:25 hzilla oh your in london
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00:28 __cheerios lol @ http://www.uusisuomi.fi/kotimaa/97169-is-aviopari-hukkasi-toisensa-alkossa-kaksi​-katoamisilmoitusta
00:28 __cheerios "couple loses each other in liquor store -- two missing persons reports"
00:29 __cheerios First by the husband. Three hours later by the wife. Curiously husband was noted saying the marriage had lasted 10 years, where as the woman said only 5. The police ponders the man must've felt the marriage being twice as long.
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08:02 simoncpu huomenta
08:02 simoncpu i have this weird problem where the files at app/cache/config are encoded with ioncube
08:03 simoncpu weird.... why is it automatically encoded? how does agavi generate the cache?
08:03 simoncpu PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STRING in /usr/local/www/app/cache/config/compile.xml_production__246f5002a463e99a2fd79448​23389e0982ee4174.php on line 10
08:10 simoncpu weird
08:11 simoncpu if i switch to development environment, everything is fine
08:20 simoncpu does the cache copy some files underneath? weird... i really can't see why ioncube encodes the files
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09:06 Guest1392 huomenta!
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09:49 MikeSeth simoncpu: open up the compiled XML (the PHP file) and see what it did there
09:49 simoncpu the compiled xml file contains encoded code
09:50 simoncpu dunno why that happens...
09:50 simoncpu maybe agavi copies some code from the framework and puts it in the compiled file?
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09:50 MikeSeth oh humm interesting
09:50 MikeSeth it does generate a lot of boilerplate code
09:51 MikeSeth all the initialization stuff with big argument arrays and constructor invocation
09:51 MikeSeth but it should be plain PHP code, not encoded
09:51 MikeSeth if it is encoded then there must be some sort of magic in Agavi that does that but I am unaware of any
09:51 MikeSeth scratches his head
09:51 simoncpu yeppp
09:52 simoncpu but it's kindda weird... this only happens if i switch environment from development to production
09:52 MikeSeth wrong window
09:52 MikeSeth maybe the generated code is ran through some facility which ioncube intercepts
09:53 MikeSeth also in dev mode agavi config caches are wiped and regenerated on every invocation
09:53 simoncpu we don't have an encoder in the machines
09:53 simoncpu ah....
09:53 MikeSeth are you SURE what you're looking at is ioncube encoded?
09:53 simoncpu yepp yepp
09:54 simoncpu aha... does agavi use an initial compile php or something?
09:54 simoncpu or does it generate the files at first run?
09:54 MikeSeth at first run
09:54 MikeSeth with its own compilation tools
09:54 MikeSeth do agavi project-cache-remove
09:54 simoncpu uhm... i installed the files manually
09:54 MikeSeth this will kill off the current config cache
09:54 simoncpu i don't have that helper script
09:55 MikeSeth then wipe out app/cache/config/*
09:55 MikeSeth I'd of course recommend PEAR installation
09:55 MikeSeth how do you create classes and files if you don't have the build script?
09:56 simoncpu i have the build script in my dev box, but the production box only contains the minimum files
09:56 MikeSeth oh
09:56 simoncpu btw, wiping out the cache dir yields the same result
09:56 simoncpu the files are regenerated, but with encoded contents
09:57 MikeSeth that is.. extremely strange
09:57 simoncpu indeed
09:57 MikeSeth ioncub must be intercepting some file write function or something
09:57 MikeSeth this makes no sense whatsoever
09:59 MikeSeth Agavi config parsers write plain PHP code
09:59 simoncpu i've checked the xml files and the difference between production and development is the debug setting:
09:59 simoncpu <setting name="debug">false</setting>
09:59 simoncpu and the executiontimefilter, which i have turned off in production
09:59 MikeSeth yes, and the wipe/generate cache cycle
10:00 MikeSeth which is iirc triggered by the debug setting
10:00 simoncpu maybe writes plain php, but it copies existing files
10:00 MikeSeth what existing files?
10:00 MikeSeth ohhh
10:00 simoncpu dunno... template or something?
10:00 MikeSeth no, i don't think it does
10:01 simoncpu whoa... i accidentally omitted the noun
10:01 MikeSeth but it is entirely possible that ioncube encodes SOMETHIGN that it reads
10:01 simoncpu i often "accidentaly the verb" but not nouns
10:01 MikeSeth and that it reads it already encoded
10:01 simoncpu beer is still having an effect on me
10:01 MikeSeth in this case
10:01 MikeSeth turn off the encoder
10:01 MikeSeth clean the cache
10:01 MikeSeth run the application once
10:01 MikeSeth turn on the encoder
10:01 simoncpu i've replaced the agavi framework with plain php
10:01 simoncpu but my user app is still encoded
10:01 MikeSeth you should end up with a working config
10:01 simoncpu this setup works
10:01 MikeSeth hmpf
10:02 MikeSeth this is extremely bizzare, but I have no experience with ioncube so I can only guess wtf
10:03 simoncpu MikeSeth: that technique would probably work, but the problem is, we need to distribute our web app as cds or as appliances
10:03 simoncpu so we can't do any manual stuff...
10:04 MikeSeth simoncpu: look into ioncube's api; maybe see if you can exclude agavi source directory from encoding
10:04 MikeSeth (encoding it may also violate the agavi license, I am not sure)
10:04 simoncpu yikes
10:04 simoncpu it does??
10:04 simoncpu yikes yikes......
10:04 MikeSeth i donno
10:04 simoncpu we didn't modify any agavi code though...
10:04 MikeSeth it MAY
10:05 simoncpu reads the license carefully
10:05 MikeSeth though no that doesnt make sense
10:05 MikeSeth if you distribute the application with source of the framework
10:05 MikeSeth anyway poke at ioncube.. or make a hack to exclude Agavi's code generation from its influence
10:06 simoncpu oki... i'll look into it
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10:16 sth Morning
10:22 _cheerios *chuckles* @GlennF: Apple is holding a press conference on Friday, but will they hold it the right way?
10:25 MikeSeth these aren't the bars you're looking for
10:26 _cheerios the bars are not real
10:26 _cheerios oh boy. :)
10:34 _cheerios how come fonts on windows are jagged? http://browsershots.org/http://heimoi.com/ what fonts must one use for them to look nice and sharp?
10:40 sth There's no anti-aliasing
10:41 sth WinXP just sucked for fonts
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10:42 _cheerios must be my memory, i thought windows had the better looking fonts (i was on win2k before moving to linux)
10:43 sth No
10:43 sth The anti-alias setting in windows XP failed
10:44 sth win2k didn't have it (too old)
10:44 sth So the setting you're seeing in the screenshot is the default XP AA, which sucks
10:47 steffkes _cheerios, perhaps 16px Arial .. is a bit .. er .. ugly ;D
10:47 sth (anything)px Arial is ugly
10:47 steffkes no :>
10:47 steffkes better then the tahoma .. which every page used one year ago :D
10:48 simoncpu Tahoma you were my first love
10:48 sth arial is just a cheap knock off
10:48 simoncpu no that I've found Verdana, I'll never let her go
10:49 sth Verdana is a pile of junk
10:51 _cheerios steffkes: what works best?
10:55 sth sadly, arial.
10:56 sth font-family: Helvetica, arial, tahoma, sans-serif;
10:56 sth Go nuts
10:56 sth I'd rather read a page in webdings than in tahoma
10:58 steffkes _cheerios, http://imagebin.org/105391 perhaps that direction ..
10:58 steffkes lower size, more space
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11:14 simoncpu Helvetica is Adobe Photoshop-centric
11:14 simoncpu hahahahaha
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11:37 v-dogg +1 for line-height++
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11:47 sth simoncpu: if you could change names a few more times, that would be awesome
11:48 simoncpu hahahaha... i was trolling other channels
11:48 simoncpu i.e., drupalhater was a nickname especially designed for #drupal :)
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14:21 AshishG hola
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15:08 _cheerios mmm... coffee.
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15:09 _cheerios i need to turn in a project plan tomorrow. any pointers?
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15:10 MikeSeth any project?
15:10 _cheerios web-dev with a months deadline
15:10 _cheerios me + a couple other guys, needs structure and how-to go about it
15:14 _cheerios + how to go about sounding like a manager. ive only read dilbert so far to prep me.
15:15 MikeSeth dunno
15:15 ttj Dilbert's good.
15:15 MikeSeth a generic tips site?
15:16 sth It's a comic about bad management of engineers
15:16 sth :)
15:16 MikeSeth i literally have elbonian developers
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15:23 _cheerios MikeSeth: i guess i'll google some tonight
15:52 _cheerios rain & thunder. now this is more like finnish summer.
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17:36 movvy oi
17:37 movvy cheerios
17:37 movvy are you looking for a financial plan
17:38 movvy or like a project plan
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18:57 _cheerios toy story 3 99% on rottentomatoes o_O
18:57 _cheerios i guess i should watch 1+2 sometime
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19:07 Cyclone hi guys, is there any guide about how to get started with the agavi testing framework?
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19:26 _cheerios anyone used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand_Flow_Technology?
19:28 Wombert http://i.imgur.com/CweBl.png
19:28 Wombert or swap the exception order?
19:28 Wombert "zomg" is the one you really care about, it's the one closest to the code you called so chances are it has the most useful info for you
19:31 _cheerios what's the best collaboration tool for a shared document atm.?
19:31 _cheerios word + excel'ish
19:32 Wombert http://imgur.com/ecxH8.png has a proper example for the exception type and message
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19:34 saracen_ Wombert: When are you going to put a plain-text stack trace as a comment in the pretty error template? :(
19:34 Wombert saracen_: patches welcome
19:34 Wombert :p
19:35 Wombert help me with the problem instead of being a smartass
19:35 Wombert should it be this way around
19:35 Wombert or reversed?
19:35 Wombert after all, the code you called threw an AgaviRenderException
19:35 Wombert not a DOMException
19:35 Wombert so shouldn't that be first?
19:36 saracen_ Wait, who are you talking to? /me reads up
19:37 Wombert could also collapse the exception(s) above it
19:39 Wombert prods v-dogg and MikeSeth and Jarda and bascht
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20:11 v-dogg wooot
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20:32 J-P hi
20:32 J-P is there other open source project made with Agavi such as "Redracer" ?
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21:05 graste icinga or how they're called - are they open source?
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21:28 J-P it's made with agavi ?
21:31 graste they made a blog post to praise agavi
21:31 graste ^^
21:32 graste http://www.icinga.org/2009/07/28/ode-to-agavi/
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22:02 _cheerios improved the copywriting a bit (babysteps!) http://heimoi.com/features/
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22:18 _cheerios getting the eerie feeling the copywriting + benefits need a lot of work (writing + finished product -wise)
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09:11 _cheerios huomenta!
09:17 _cheerios I read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management in the end
09:17 _cheerios (helps with the jargon)
09:24 steffkes _cheerios, should we play a round bullshit-bingo? ;D
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09:32 _cheerios i'll be better equipped on that by end of next month. i can consult ttj when needed.
09:38 _cheerios classic, setup laptop some months ago, forgot pwd
09:39 ttj _cheerios: Hmm?
09:39 _cheerios you work for a big corp, jargon is day-to-day, no? :)
09:40 ttj I actually was bored the other day and decided to analyze the company's "Operational Mode" document on a word-level.
09:40 ttj So now I've ranked the top bullshit words used by the company at this moment. :P
09:40 _cheerios lol
09:41 ttj It was surprisingly boring. The top words were stuff like "management", "business", "development", "solutions", "services", "strategy", "product", "team", "process", "portfolio", "operational", "strategic", etc.
09:41 _cheerios i get the "offer solutions, not problems!" all the time.
09:42 ttj :)
09:44 _cheerios managers don't want to hear problems, too low-level.
09:45 _cheerios (atleast around here)
09:45 ttj They're not problems, they're challenges.
09:45 _cheerios surprised me that bringing up problems is seen as shying away from responsibility
09:45 steffkes ttj .. i think you forgot to list the bullshit-words? :D
09:45 ttj Problem is way too negative.
09:46 ttj steffkes: I acknowledged that issue by saying that the results were boring. ;)
09:46 steffkes insert some random ones *g
09:46 ttj Well, fortunately I'm not contributing to that document.
09:47 ttj A couple of friends of mine did actually do a more detailed analysis on airlines by looking at their annual reports and analyzing the frequency of words or phrases.
09:48 _cheerios Reminds me of the recent news that PHP bug tracker might change wording of "bogus" to something less negative, when closing reported tickets.
09:48 ttj Can't remember the specific conclusions, but I think there was a trend that when the going got tough, the airlines were more prone to repeating some key phrases over and over again.
09:48 ttj _cheerios: Oh, and relating to big companies, you absolutely have to get the two seasons of Better Off Ted.
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10:09 _cheerios new found interest in listening to classical music. at the end of performances the audience is clapping enthusiasticly, the computer is reaching out.
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11:32 saracen Anybody here working on any Agavi projects they might need some help with at some point? I'm pretty bored recently, might be fun to have a change and just work on something with very little commitment :).
12:40 _cheerios what RichText editor are you lot using atm.?
13:08 steffkes _cheerios, no one .. if it's really needed, something like markdown/textile
13:18 _cheerios i despise the things personally, but we've got one use. meh.
13:21 ttj http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1owcncKCHg
13:25 _cheerios classic
14:28 ttj _cheerios: Coming to Rantamaraton this year?
14:29 _cheerios uh, which are you taking on? the whole mara?
14:29 ttj Half.
14:29 _cheerios i could probably go for the 10. :)
14:30 ttj Pfft. Don't pussy out. :P
14:32 steffkes for the business guys: http://i.imgur.com/G80Kj.gif
14:34 _cheerios if i print and put that up, will i end up with my head on a stick?
14:35 ttj I just forwarded that to a bunch of people here. :)
14:35 ttj It's a summer Friday at the office, so naturally the only thing being done here is forwarding links.
14:37 _cheerios i put it up on the whiteboard. lets see.
14:37 _cheerios if my desk is clear on monday i'll know
14:40 ttj Bah. They won't clear your desk.
14:40 ttj I've printed and taped stuff like that across the office millions of times.
14:40 _cheerios :)
14:40 ttj "Work harder! Millions on welfare depend on you!"
14:40 ttj And Dilbert strips.
14:40 _cheerios ah, i need a good dilbert on the wall
14:47 _cheerios printed 4
14:47 _cheerios http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-09-20/ <3
14:53 ttj Haha, one of the Directors is harassing the secretary about how to turn on Out-of-Office stuff. :P
14:53 steffkes dilbert.com really needs an API for the strips *g
14:53 ttj This only happens in TV shows... Sheesh.
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19:18 _cheerios ttj, ugh, now i have season1 -- wasn't expecting it to dl so quick. went off swimming and the bits assembled in my absense.
19:43 _cheerios phil :p
19:55 ttj Yeah, the series totally rocks. :)
19:55 ttj Veronica <3<3<3
20:00 _cheerios ^^ my mom is called veronica
20:01 _cheerios i ate, now feel like stuffing myself with more food. friday's...
20:15 _cheerios iphone4, now with a free bumper!
20:21 _cheerios finland release on july 30th, hmm
20:22 _cheerios funny watching these "dropped call" statistics. i've never had my phone drop a call before (discounting going under a tunnel with no reception :)).
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20:47 _cheerios for those around whom have no idea what's happening, we'll have this meeting again tomorrow *g*
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23:04 _cheerios "Ilosaarirock festival was sold out for the 13th time, a total of 21 people partied together" *g*
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01:01 _cheerios oh man, debugged a 40-line code for 2hrs++... transaction management x_X
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12:00 _cheerios hmm, can do UNIX_TIMESTAMP(datetime) but not UTC_TIMESTAMP(datetime), grr...
12:04 _cheerios what's the way, or alternative, to convert datetime (UTC) to utc timestamp w/mysql?
12:17 _cheerios TIMESTAMPDIFF looks like a solution
12:41 _cheerios decided to rewrite core functionality after all. needs a better infra, faster w/rewrite.
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16:33 _cheerios rewrite success. works already better and does the basic job.
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18:37 _cheerios Run This Raid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY-Ios-tUC8
18:51 _cheerios heh @ free air guitar
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19:32 _cheerios Time zones in Python - welcome to hell, idd :|
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20:30 ttj Ooo... Rashad vs. Rampage...
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20:52 ttj Hmm... Two rounds of pussyfooting around and now the guys are finally working...
20:54 _cheerios end of good programming times, time to pick up gf from airport
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09:45 jurica hiho
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09:48 _cheerios huomenta!
09:48 ttj Yo.
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11:24 _cheerios windows 7 phone looks rather hot (video) http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/19/windows-phone-7-in-depth-preview/
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11:29 saracen _cheerios: But it has IE on it :(
11:35 steffkes it's windows(tm) ..
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12:49 Wombert windows 7 has still the same retarded architecture underneath
12:49 Wombert I read a really bad review somewhere the other da
12:49 Wombert y
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12:58 jurica win 7 phones biggest problem will be that no older win mobile app is running on it
13:02 steffkes the main problem .. is windows -.-
13:04 jurica :)
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15:41 movvy ehllo
15:48 Wombert is anyone using arrays as logger messages?
15:49 Wombert v-dogg, Jarda, MikeSeth, fnordfish, graste?
15:49 Wombert (relying on AgaviLoggerMessage::__toString() to treat the array as message lines and joining with \n)
15:50 fnordfish Wombert: not that i'm aware of ;)
15:51 fnordfish There was one thing I had shrink0r to do for me though and I'm not that certain how it was handled - guess it was a custom LogMessage class
15:52 Wombert what was that exactly, fnordfish?
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15:55 fnordfish I'm not 100% sure, it was like logging one message into two different log files. Like I have a debug log, which logs into the ordinary timestamp based log file and into a issue based logfile. say, i have two importers A and B, I want to let them log into date_debug.log and A.log or B.log
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16:09 fnordfish OH. the other thing was, to log into dat_debug.log and into DataBase
16:10 Wombert can't you just have two appenders for that?
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16:12 fnordfish well I want to log a single message, which knows about it's context (like Import-Job-A) so i need to extend the Message
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16:17 Wombert fnordfish: why not $lm->log(array('_type' => 'event', 'job' => 'A', 'time' => time(), 'event' => 'completed'));
16:17 Wombert ?
16:17 Wombert fnordfish: and then have a layout that converts this to, say, JSON?
16:21 fnordfish well, because, when i have a FileAppender and DBAppender, the logfile shall just be the good old known logfile, but the DB may have to know, to which table the log shall be written
16:24 fnordfish like $lm->log(new MyMessage('text', AgaviLogger::DEBUG, 'JobA'));
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16:29 fnordfish anyways, $lm->log(array(..)) need me to provide a "defaultMessageClass" which can handle array inputs, which is pretty much the same thing the sample above is doing manually
16:36 fnordfish well, when i think about it, seems like a cool idea - the special logger i was talking about has to be done for guys starring at windows' sys-log "Event Viewer" and may not convert JSON manually ;)
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08:27 _cheerios huomenta
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09:09 graste huomenta
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09:29 jurica f***** windows acls i hate them!
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09:49 _cheerios plotting business model generation canvas to whiteboard at work
09:49 _cheerios fun fun
09:49 _cheerios http://www.businessmodelgeneration.com/
09:50 jurica fighting against mssql server and encoding problems at work: no fun!
09:53 jurica and i run out of milk and coffee :(
09:59 ttj Thinking of having lunch, a siesta, and then hitting the gym to earn more HeiaHeia points.
10:18 sth Morning
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11:01 graste doctrine or propel? should I give doctrine a try?
11:04 bascht graste: yep, you should. :)
11:06 steffkes graste, yes!
11:06 jurica why? :)
11:08 sth both suck :)
11:16 ttj What's this ORM hat _cheerios was talking about recently?
11:16 jurica i think he didnt put it on github yet
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11:30 _cheerios status on it hasnt changed. feedraider re-write + heimoi launch taking time.
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11:44 ttj Ok, fair 'nuff.
12:08 jurica how can i control which of the error messages of a defined validator are shown?
12:15 sth It uses what ever messages are specified
12:15 sth If you don't want them to show, remove the <error> from the action's validator xml
12:15 jurica i found it in the unofficial faq ;)
12:16 sth There's also the generic <error> (with no for attribute) for fallbacks
12:17 jurica works, thanks!
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18:41 saracen Argh
18:42 saracen wishes routing was smarter at detecting errors
18:45 sth I wish you was smarter
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19:27 saracen sth: fu :(
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19:51 krycek is http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1294 a valid bug?
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19:52 hzilla whoamental
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21:36 impl krycek: hmm
21:37 impl krycek: I *think* there's another way to remove params
21:38 krycek hmm... the last time I asked no one seems to know about it
21:39 impl blah this code is so complicated
21:39 impl stabs
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00:20 saracen Agavi removes HTTP_HOST, right?
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01:26 MikeSeth yea
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09:21 _cheerios huomenta
09:22 ttj Yo.
09:23 ttj 20km of running this week.
09:24 _cheerios i've only done like 2.5km or so :p need to jog tonight then.
09:24 _cheerios bbq'd last night
09:24 ttj Hey, join HeiaHeia! :P
09:27 _cheerios do they have a developer api? i could integrate with heimoi :)
09:27 ttj No idea. :)
09:30 ttj It's actually surprising how addictive HeiaHeia is, considering that it's actually very primitive and simple.
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09:31 steffkes ttj, i will try it :p
09:32 ttj Cool. :)
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09:32 _cheerios what phone do you keep in your pocket for it to work when jogging?
09:32 ttj I don't. I just insert the data manually.
09:33 _cheerios manual labor :x
09:33 ttj But I guess there are different apps that are able to publish e.g. jogs to HeiaHeia.
09:33 ttj eCoach on N900, at least.
09:36 _cheerios i checked out samsung galaxy s at a dna store coming off work
09:37 ttj Any good?
09:37 _cheerios android starting to be ok. no 12mo contract made me not want to touch it, plus many nitpickings about the phone on the net.
09:37 _cheerios overall good first impression
09:38 ttj Cool. Have to admit that I haven't really followed the market too closely since ~2000-2002. :)
09:39 _cheerios stuff like "doesnt usb mount on mac", and "need to tweak kernel to not become sluggish until patched by samsung" are worrysome
09:44 _cheerios good part was that i was able to hit those virtual keys on it, without making as many typos as i did on a 3gs
09:46 ttj That reminds me, need to look into the Maemo5 kernel that enables overclocking.
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10:05 _cheerios ugh. project has 300 templates. 2 devs. i need to delegate some of these to bitheaven.
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10:18 ttj Ok, enough playing with kernels and transitioncontrol. Time for lunch. :)
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10:46 MikeSeth oh you
10:46 jurica ?
10:47 MikeSeth dunno ;P
10:47 jurica hehe
10:48 sth Morning
10:48 jurica hi sth
10:48 sth Hey Juri
10:48 jurica i dont know why but every time i read sth im thinking of "something"
10:48 MikeSeth but nothing particular comes to mind?
10:48 MikeSeth slaps sth
10:50 sth sets MikeSeth on fire
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11:30 saracen jurica: I know exactly what you mean, sth is a terrible nickname.
11:30 sth saracen: It could be much, much worse. I could be you.
11:30 sth I think I would have committed suicide by now if I was you
11:31 jurica simon dont be mean to our guests!
11:31 sth He's not a guest
11:32 saracen It's true, I am one with the Agavi channel.
11:32 saracen Yahovah: Just to let you know, you're still here. Incase you've forgotten.
11:33 saracen You're just wasting the internets bandwidth
11:34 sth saracen: I'm going to hunt you down next time I'm in the UK
11:34 saracen It shouldn't be difficult, you know where I work
11:34 sth Only sort of
11:34 saracen You've forgotten? :(
11:34 sth I can only remember S. Bretton
11:35 saracen Just follow the nice houses
11:36 saracen Still find it so weird you live so close by
11:36 sth I love North Bretton, when my mum moved there, it was a reasonable area, now it's starting to become bad
11:37 saracen Yeah, I think that can be said for the majority of Peterborough, though
11:37 sth Yup
11:37 saracen My parents moved out at a sort of decent time. We only had a prosititute living next door to us for a few weeks
11:37 jurica did you moved there with youre mom sth? if so that would be a reason for it becoming bad :p
11:38 sth No, my Mum moved there when I was living in Reading
11:38 sth Well, Reading/London
11:38 saracen What were you doing in Reading?
11:38 sth Working
11:38 saracen Yeah, but what? :)
11:39 sth I was a bioinformatics specialist
11:39 saracen And you gave it all up to work with PHP.
11:39 sth I was working with PHP there
11:40 saracen Oh, weird
11:40 sth I also made social media applications there
11:41 sth I spent 6 months making a mode of action database system and 6 months making social media/networking webapps
11:44 ttj Hmm... Isn't having a prostitute living nearby nice? All the services are close by, etc.
11:44 sth ttj: Sure. but I don't live near your Mum's house...
11:44 sth :D
11:45 ttj Wouldn't matter, in her line of work she's rarely home anyway.
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12:15 hzilla huomenta
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12:46 sth Hey hzilla
12:47 hzilla hey
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12:51 sth 2
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12:57 _cheerios html5+svg+css looks to be interesting in future
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12:58 _cheerios http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BsB0HpS768 (Paul Rouget on Mixing the web! (Mozilla Summit 2010))
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15:45 jurica yeah eclipse eating "220%" of my cpu, i'm back in the java world!
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16:29 MikeSeth lol eclipse
16:29 MikeSeth use emacs
16:29 ttj vim
16:30 jurica unfortunately its a jboss/j2ee project so eclipse really makes sense here...
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16:40 saracen nano.
16:40 sth textmate.
16:40 jurica yeah great name some more unix editors :p
16:41 jurica you didnt mention joe
16:41 saracen Chrome
16:41 sth cat and echo!
16:41 jurica oh yeah
16:41 jurica i'll chose cat and echo, thanks simon!
16:41 sth yw
16:42 saracen How do you insert lines in the middle of content with echo?
16:42 sth fine, I'll allow sed too
16:42 jurica head and tail
16:42 saracen :D
16:42 jurica with pipes will do it :)
16:45 jurica i think i'll chose eclipse this time, but cat, echo, sed, head, tail seem to be a really sane alternative for the next project
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17:05 nfq yo saracen
17:10 MikeSeth EMACS
17:10 MikeSeth infidels
17:10 impl EMACS EMACS EMACS
17:11 Wombert emacs!
17:12 impl what are you doing here Wombert
17:12 impl this is my channel now.
17:14 sth You'll turn it into another #php
17:14 sth you've already started with /colsay
17:18 impl it's actually gay.pl
17:18 sth you should give it to deppy then :x
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17:24 saracen nfq: hai
17:26 nfq hey saracen can we speak a little later? i am tied up right now
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18:53 movvy hello
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21:47 Jarda Wombert: no, I'm atleast not using. And I haven't seen v-dogg using it either..
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00:54 saracen RAWR
00:54 saracen NOMNOMNOM
00:55 saracen ch00 ch00
00:55 saracen BRRR
00:55 saracen BRRRRRR
00:55 saracen RING
00:55 saracen RING
00:55 saracen banana.
00:55 saracen saxomophone.
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00:58 saracen nfq: You free? :)
00:58 nfq saracen: yeah, shortly... just wrapping something up.. you around in 30 mins?
00:58 saracen Yeah, should be
00:59 nfq thanks dude
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08:23 _cheerios huomenta
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08:29 _cheerios lol @ http://judasphone.com/
08:30 _cheerios love the antenna decal (2nd) :p
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09:42 _cheerios http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/21/a-joke-iphone-sticker-turns-into-a-busi​ness/
09:43 jurica i would buy that sticker cause it looks cool!
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15:42 movvy hello
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21:27 hzilla ...creak...
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21:46 J-P hi
21:46 J-P who has been coding the "Redracer" project ?
21:46 J-P I have a few question :D
21:46 movvy ...creeek...
21:46 movvy sorry hzilla
21:46 movvy i mozied on out totally forgetting my agenda
22:05 J-P well
22:05 J-P I'll ask anyway
22:05 J-P I looked at the code
22:06 J-P and I've seen several places such as :
22:06 J-P $this->data = array_merge(
22:06 J-P $this->defaults, array_intersect_key($data, $this->defaults)
22:06 J-P );
22:06 J-P where, before merging parameters
22:06 J-P it makes sure only a series of parameters can be merged
22:07 J-P is there a security reason for this ?
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22:15 saracen J-P: Is it not the other way around? I guess the point would be to only add to the array values that override the defaults, rather than merging in a bunch of "unsupported" values
22:15 saracen But that would be array_intersect_key($this->defaults, $data), I believe
22:16 J-P well that's what I meant
22:16 J-P possibly, the code I pasted is from Redracer
22:16 J-P but I really was wondering about the "why" part
22:18 graste dunno the code, but I'd say it depends on the location - in routing callbacks you should be careful as validation did not yet kick in IIRC
22:18 graste or?
22:18 graste ^^
22:18 J-P it's in models
22:19 saracen It depends on the way it's used I suppose. For example, say $this->defaults is an options array. And at some point you can call getOptions(), It would be strange to find key/values which weren't real options, only because they'd been merged in from your user code. Some times it might look weird, sometimes it might be a security issue. Maybe they've just opted to do it everywhere for consistancy
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06:15 saracen Yawn
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13:21 Rendez is there a way to make "export" work with the validators who have a base="" attribute?
13:23 Rendez http://pastebin.com/yefCaZmb
13:24 Rendez see data[0][citytown] isn't a solution, the array may contain more than one value
13:24 Rendez I wish there were the attribute base="" also for <ae:parameters>
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13:44 v-dogg Rendez: data[%2$s][citytown] should work
13:45 Rendez v-dogg: awesome
13:46 Rendez man that stuff should go into the FAQ right away
13:46 Rendez why the second param btw?
13:46 Rendez %2
13:46 E_mE wow didnt know you could do that
13:47 v-dogg hardly anyone does :)
13:47 Rendez I'm going to start my own wiki of "agavi amazing discoveries"
13:47 E_mE v-dogg: do you have a technical tomb on your desk?
13:47 E_mE hehe
13:48 Rendez ok, the %2 is the second level of the array
13:48 Rendez got it
13:48 Rendez well, index + 1, so 0 is level 1, 1 is level 2 and so forth
13:49 Rendez v-dogg: thanks for this awesome tip
13:49 v-dogg no problem
13:50 v-dogg it is "documented" here http://blog.veikko.fi/post/68983308/agavi-tip-validation-gotchas (last comment by Niklas a.k.a Jarda) :)
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14:53 Rendez v-dogg: yet agavi keeps being very hermetic
14:53 Rendez how's the agavi documentation app coming along?
15:01 sth doc app?
15:10 jurica i guess he means the totally broken bloggie thing?
15:10 sth Maybe
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15:42 hzilla lo. if i want to create an action within a folder in a module using the agavi build script action wizard eg. Module/actions/SubSection/IndexAction.class.php - how do i specify that?
15:42 sth Use a dot
15:43 sth MajorAction.Subaction
15:44 hzilla ok thanks i;ll try that
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18:20 Rendez sth: Jurica: I mean the documentation I know BT is workng on..
18:20 Rendez BX*
18:20 Rendez but n any case, it's always debatable both the amount and the quality of docs there are for Agavi
18:20 Rendez E_mE: and I would like to get some time to do something about it
18:21 Rendez at least bring together all this batch of knowledge that is spread across Veikko's blog, the FAQ and more and more
18:51 sth Rendez: Since I'm the person who does it and I'm not working on it... :P
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20:45 krycek__ why I get this error http://letel.com.br/v2/pub/ ? index.php:1 has a: require('/home/letel/www/v2/libs/agavi/agavi.php');
20:45 krycek__ it's working fine locally
20:47 krycek__ I've already removed all cache/ files
20:58 v-dogg php cannot find the file? or what's the error?
20:59 v-dogg if php says it can't access the file, then it can't access the file :)
21:01 krycek__ the error is: "Headers already sent"
21:01 krycek__ where have you read that about it not being able to access the file?
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20:14 hzilla hey if i use an xinclude for validation (i.e. edit.xml includes same config as create.xml) the FPF doesn't populate the form. Take out the xinclude and it works. any idea?
20:18 movvy what is an xinclude
20:18 movvy is that like using an already made validation file
20:19 hzilla yeh or other xml
20:19 movvy sounds like that would have saved me some work
20:20 movvy lol
20:20 hzilla yep
20:20 hzilla bit of an issue with the fpf tho
20:20 Jarda hzilla: show code
20:20 Jarda both create.xml and edit.xml
20:21 Jarda it definitely should work
20:21 Jarda (and have you cleared config cache?)
20:26 hzilla http://pastie.org/1059460 - cleared cache
20:26 hzilla remove the xinclude and teh fpf populates correctly.
20:29 Jarda show generated configs, both edit.xml.....php and add.xml.....php
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20:34 hzilla http://pastie.org/1059468 - these?
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20:38 hzilla http://pastie.org/1059470 is the xml defs
20:39 Jarda those are what I'm talking about. Hmm.. let me read them through
20:39 graste1 hzilla? I know it doesn't help you, but I'd just not use the xinclude there, but instead use the module's validators.xml file or the application's global validators.xml file: http://pastie.org/1059469
20:40 graste1 sry, don't have time to have a look at your specific problem :-)
20:40 graste1 I fell in love with parent="..." system for validators - it's just so convenient for common arguments
20:40 hzilla graste: yeh but that would include teh validators in other actions which don't need them right>
20:40 graste1 no
20:41 graste1 you just define everything you need and give it a name, that you'll use them
20:41 graste1 then
20:41 Jarda I can't see anything wrong with the compiled xml
20:41 Jarda but but
20:41 hzilla graste1: see your point but why not use xinclude? reduces amount of code considerably
20:41 Jarda we use something like modules/MyModule/validate/my_common_validators.xml and then use that as the parent on the ones I want to be reusing
20:42 hzilla right...
20:42 hzilla i'll try that instead. still xinclude should work...!
20:42 graste1 I see it as shortnames, that are more readable than XIncludes
20:43 Jarda it really should, I do not know why it isn't
20:43 graste1 http://blog.agavi.org/post/284778196/save-letters-use-short-validator-names
20:43 Jarda I never name my validators
20:43 Jarda if I'm not debugging with adt
20:44 Jarda oh, those validator names
20:44 graste1 but yes, if you found out, what the problem with the xincludes is, I'd like to know if it is something interesting, as it may happen, that I'll fall upon that in projects as well :-)
20:44 hzilla yeh 3 options to choose from here. prob go with Jarda's idea since it means i don't have to make a load of validaotr definitions
20:44 hzilla and names
20:45 hzilla graste1: will do
20:47 graste1 but you'll have a single place to change it and when your action structure changes, the default validators are still there (or may move up to global validators.xml), while your xincludes may now break if you changed too much or rename things - but as always: it depends on usecases/requirements
20:48 graste1 had the xinclude hell with 50+ cache.xml files when something changed - but still better to change to xicnlude with some search/replace instead of modifying the cache.xml files directly :-)
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20:52 hzilla indeed
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09:06 _cheerios huomenta!
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09:06 ttj Yo.
09:07 ttj Nice way to start a Monday. Half of the office is without power and network connections.
09:07 ttj I just commandeered my colleague's cubicle.
09:07 _cheerios ah. so the morning thunderstorm did manage to claw someone :)
09:08 ttj There was a thunderstorm?
09:11 _cheerios woke me up around 7am or so
09:12 ttj Hmm... Woke up at half past eight or something. Just noticed that the ground was wet, but otherwise nothing out of the ordinary...
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09:25 _cheerios while adjusting imac, be careful not to hit a round shaped button behind it...
09:28 Jarda haha
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09:36 jurica hi
10:01 MikeSeth fucking SOAP
10:01 MikeSeth kicks SOAP in the nuts
10:01 MikeSeth why oh why do they let ASP.NET programmers expose services as SOAP
10:01 MikeSeth why does it HAVE to be so broken
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10:02 Jarda what's broken?
10:03 MikeSeth some retarded 3rd party API that fails to parse the values of arguments it claims it understands
10:03 macen http://www.apple.com/apple-events/july-2010/ Steve Jobs in iPhone 4
10:03 macen *on
10:03 macen lols^
10:03 MikeSeth you know shit be whack when your simple type argument appears as System.Xml.XmlNode[] literal on the receiving end
10:04 macen "er, turns out all smartphones' reception drops, ..."
10:04 ttj http://www.effectgames.com/effect/article.psp.html/joe/Old_School_Color_Cycling_​with_HTML5
10:04 MikeSeth lol Jobs trying to wash spots off leopard
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10:37 sth Morning
10:37 sth I survived the Love Parade :D
10:38 jurica imho its not funny to make fun out of that or to be exceptionally proud of it ...
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10:53 sth jurica: It's a very british thing to make fun of a tragedy, we have had jokes about every major tragedy in the UK
10:53 sth 2 weeks ago, there was some guy running around the north of england trying to kill police officers, we had jokes within the first minute
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10:56 jurica ... not my taste but ok if you say so
11:04 MikeSeth sth: imagine the /fun/ we have with suicide bombers
11:05 jurica who's we?
11:06 MikeSeth we
11:06 MikeSeth as in Israel
11:06 jurica youre from isreal?
11:06 MikeSeth I am
11:06 jurica ah
11:06 sth MikeSeth: We've never had suicide bombers, but we had the IRA for a time.
11:09 MikeSeth well good for you
11:09 MikeSeth it doesnt look nice
11:09 MikeSeth then again IRA was a serious terrorist organization with amateur politics
11:10 MikeSeth Hamas is an amateur terrorist organization with with serious politics
11:10 MikeSeth through which they manage to accomplish way more of their illegitimate goals than through terrorism
11:11 macen they are in power now MikeSeth
11:11 macen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_F?in
11:12 sth Yeah, they kind of won.
11:12 MikeSeth this kind of resolution is impossible in Hamas
11:13 MikeSeth Imagine that the goal of IRA was to eradicate the British and physically replace them with the Irish
11:13 MikeSeth all in order to create another world wide Irish imperial state
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12:24 Rendez huomenta!
12:24 Rendez is there a way to pass variables to exception templates?
12:25 Rendez they are not rendered :(
12:34 Rendez but everything is null
12:40 Rendez only vars $e, $context and $container... they are empty
12:40 Rendez what if we want to use the translationManager or other stuff?
12:43 Rendez ok got it, exceptions before execution do NOT have the vars
12:44 Rendez sorry
12:44 Rendez :D
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14:59 hzilla Agavi users should be kind to their brethren, agavi users or not!
15:04 hzilla Then they will become Agavi users and live in peace and contentment
15:07 MikeSeth hzilla: discovering MDMA?
15:11 macen lol
15:11 macen lucky guy ;)
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15:16 jurica 'the string "--" is not permitted within comments' this f***** error msg took half my day
15:20 steffkes should be clear, eh? :D
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15:24 hzilla MikeSeth: nice one. I discovered that 15 years ago. no just naturally luvdup these days
15:24 MikeSeth yeah right
15:26 hzilla Theoretical physics makes it easy for me to be happy
15:27 hzilla (and agavi of course)
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16:53 hzilla how does one read the current action name from a template?
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17:08 jurica hzilla: i'm looking for the link i found some time ago
17:08 Jarda $this->getContainer()->getExecutingAction()
17:08 Jarda iirc
17:08 Jarda oh, template
17:09 Jarda well, you should set that in the view
17:10 jurica oh yes i had an other problem back then, in the end i was looking at the url via ($this->getContext()->getRouting()->getInput()
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17:32 hzilla ok cool
17:32 hzilla thanks
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19:47 J-P can anyone give me a little help with a good old SQL query ?
19:47 J-P http://pastie.org/1060823
19:48 J-P I'm getting the error : Column not found: 1054 Unknown column 'tag_rank' in 'where clause'
19:48 J-P and obviously, I don't know why
19:49 J-P I thought I was able to create an alias of a sub query and then use it in the where and order-by caluse
19:49 J-P clause*
19:50 hzilla which table is tag_rank in?
19:51 J-P none, it's an alias of a sub query
19:51 J-P SELECT ....., (SELECT COUNTN()) as tag_rank
19:51 hzilla oh i c
19:51 J-P (and btw, I'm not sure alias is the correct term here...)
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19:53 hzilla if u take it out of the order by do you get a result?
19:53 J-P SQLSTATE[42S22]: Column not found: 1054 Unknown column 'tag_rank' in 'where clause'
19:54 J-P for some reason mysql refuses to see tag_rank
19:54 hzilla prob best to ask in #mysql - i'm no sql pro
19:55 hzilla they will no doubt tell you not to use a subquery though
19:55 J-P "Standard SQL doesn't allow you to refer to a column alias in a WHERE clause. This restriction is imposed because when the WHERE code is executed, the column value may not yet be determined."
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19:55 J-P :(
19:56 hzilla uhuh
19:57 J-P "hzilla: they will no doubt tell you not to use a subquery though"
19:57 J-P highly inefficient ?
19:57 hzilla yeh basically
19:58 J-P what's the efficient way then ?
19:59 hzilla joins or splitting the query into parts. using hte EXPLAIN keyword helps optimise the queries
20:00 hzilla or diagnose problems at least
20:01 hzilla but probably best not to optimise your queries until you know your schema is fixed. so just make it work first then optimise later
20:02 J-P ok I'll follow that
20:07 J-P thank you!
20:08 hzilla welcome
20:14 J-P well, I found a way around my problem
20:14 J-P temporary table
20:14 J-P probably not very efficient either
20:14 J-P but right now it's working, I'll optimize (or attempt to...) later
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20:16 graste premature optimization just doesn't cut it anyways :-)
20:20 hzilla its embarrasing to suffer from premature optimisation
20:28 Jarda hey guys
20:28 Jarda if you are speaking about mysql, JOINS with GROUP BY aren't efficient
20:29 Jarda I mean if you do something like SELECT foo, COUNT(baz.id) FROM bar JOIN baz ON baz.bar_id = bar.id GROUP BY foo
20:29 Jarda it takes a hell lot of memory even if you JOIN on indices
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20:30 Jarda it's often more efficient to do SELECT foo, (SELECT COUNT(*) FROM baz WHERE bar_id = bar.id) FROM bar
20:30 Jarda but that's only on mysql
20:31 Jarda with postgresql joining with group by is more efficient :)
20:31 Jarda and I have only experience of MyIsam
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20:33 jurica is this joining with grouping performance problem enginedependend and still there if you use innodb?
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20:35 Jarda 21:31:14 < Jarda> and I have only experience of MyIsam
20:35 Jarda and this issue is only when dealing with tables with like million rows each
20:36 Jarda and can be worked around with giving more memory to mysqld
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08:52 _cheerios huomenta
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09:02 _cheerios http://www.gsmarena.com/german_stiftung_warentest_iphone_4_is_the_real_signal_lo​ser-news-1837.php
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09:27 jurica i
09:27 jurica hi
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09:30 rozza Houmenta
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09:31 _cheerios how goes ross?
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09:35 _cheerios rozza: how's streetbook, you're working for them, right?
09:35 rozza yeah
09:35 rozza good - houmenta _cheerios
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09:35 _cheerios huomenta :)
09:36 rozza whats been going on in the agavi world? Its been a couple of years!
09:37 _cheerios the version of agavi has incremented a bit, that i've noticed. :)
09:37 MikeSeth_ omg Ross
09:37 rozza ;)
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09:37 MikeSeth long time man
09:37 rozza hugs MikeSeth
09:37 rozza yeah - thought I'd pop onto irc a bit more
09:37 MikeSeth you good?
09:38 rozza Yeah bonza!
09:38 MikeSeth same here
09:38 rozza working with python <3
09:38 MikeSeth playing with Python
09:38 MikeSeth lololo
09:38 rozza it rocks!
09:38 MikeSeth <3
09:38 MikeSeth yeah it does
09:38 MikeSeth python backends + Agavi = h34v3n
09:38 rozza cool!
09:39 _cheerios do come around more often, irc is the place to be, esp. #agavi
09:40 rozza Will do - have set it as auto join ;)
09:40 jurica i was thinking about porting agavi to python in my spare time, but i'm afraid it would be a "bit" too much for me...
09:40 _cheerios are there other local startups brewing that you know of, rozza?
09:40 rozza jurica: I pondered doing similar
09:40 MikeSeth hasn't everyone
09:40 rozza but there are already some nice frameworks
09:40 _cheerios i went with django due switching to it at dayjob during 2008.
09:40 rozza so no need :p
09:40 MikeSeth django is eerie
09:41 _cheerios django is magical fail, but i'll leave that topic be :)
09:41 rozza yeah I use django too, its ok
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09:41 jurica rozza: wich ones? im not that familiar with the python world yet
09:41 rozza I wont go much further than ok
09:41 rozza jurica: django, pylons, turbogears, zope, flask, web.py, web2py
09:41 rozza and more!
09:42 MikeSeth dunno, python for web applications doesn't feel natural to me
09:42 jurica thats enough ;) thanks
09:42 MikeSeth twisted is nice I'll give you that :D
09:42 rozza MikeSeth: yeah - but there are some even nicer paradigms for aysnc coming out
09:43 rozza http://github.com/saucelabs/monocle - using generators you can write code that looks synchronous but actually be async ala twisted
09:44 rozza havent played much with it yet - but looks nice and you can use twisted with it, so lower learning curve
09:44 rozza all fun :D
09:44 rozza right I must work!
09:45 MikeSeth yeah I played with SimPy, they kind of use yield for exactly this kind of stuff
09:45 rozza cool - will check that out
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10:51 sth Morning
10:52 macen morning
10:54 jurica hi
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12:43 Yossi_B Hello
12:46 Yossi_B can I do something <configuration environment="production|development">....</configuration>
12:51 sth iirc, you can use a regular expression for env
13:01 MikeSeth (production|development)
13:16 _cheerios meh, site got under googles malware list. anyone had same happen? does it take long to get off it, when requesting review?
13:17 v-dogg heimoi?
13:17 _cheerios no, muxlim
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13:26 _cheerios of the domains listed as intermediaries for malware includes our ad hosting company :)
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14:07 _cheerios yep, via ads it is (as reported by googles webmaster tools)
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14:24 _cheerios "Your request for review was accepted. Please check back later to view the results of your request."
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17:41 J-P I think I've seen it somewhere, but is there a way to know the current view (from inside the template)
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18:01 v-dogg J-P: $container should know it
18:03 v-dogg getViewName() and getViewModuleName()
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19:04 J-P thanks v-dogg !
19:05 jurica J-P: would you repeat the answer for me? i missed it on my way home
19:05 J-P v-dogg: J-P: $container should know it
19:05 J-P [12:03pm] v-dogg: getViewName() and getViewModuleName()
19:05 jurica ah thanks
19:06 sth It's in the logs... :)
19:07 jurica now its a two times in there!
19:08 J-P :D
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21:20 J-P if I change the template of a view (as explained here : http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#general_18) why does the FPF does not repopulate my form ?
21:21 J-P plus is there a way to know that the 'Success' view was used even if the Input template is used
21:26 v-dogg if FPF doesn't kick in form's action="" is the most likely cause
21:26 v-dogg and didn't you just ask how to get the view name in a template? and didn't I give the answer?-)
21:30 J-P yes you did indeed
21:30 J-P however
21:30 J-P what it returns is
21:31 J-P knowing my action return the Success view and inside this view I changed the template to the Input view, getViewName() return 'Input'
21:32 J-P this is why I asked again with slightly different words
21:33 v-dogg ok, that was unexpected
21:33 J-P I was hoping getViewName would return 'Success'
21:33 v-dogg I would have bet money for that
21:33 J-P and it would have made sense
21:34 v-dogg but anyhows, I have used "flags" in a situation like that
21:34 v-dogg $this->setAttribute('is_editable', true) in the view for example
21:34 v-dogg and the template checks for that
21:35 J-P I guess this is what I'll do
21:36 J-P oh by the way, getViewName also returns the module name such as (in my case) Question/ManageSuccess
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21:39 J-P oh
21:39 J-P I might have a bit wrong here
21:39 J-P once again
21:40 J-P getViewName returns the proper view
21:40 J-P even if the templates changes
21:40 J-P except it's displayed as a "path"
21:40 J-P so
21:40 J-P v-dogg, me wrong again
21:40 J-P I must learn to triple-check my stuff before asking
21:50 J-P is there a way to force the FPF to populate even if the action of the form changes ?
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01:07 JP_ v-dogg: are you there ?
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10:45 _cheerios huomenta
10:45 jurica hi
10:48 rozza Huomenta!
10:48 _cheerios heh @ samsung galaxy bugs people are running into. The phone is tempting, but if SMS's can go to wrong people when respoding *meh*
10:48 _cheerios hi rozza, jurica!
10:50 _cheerios well, other option is the non-phone iphone4 coming out on friday in finland.
10:52 saracen I hope you're right-handed
10:52 _cheerios (wanting android/iphone for developing)
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10:59 sth s/right-/left-/
10:59 _cheerios rozza: did you get vim setup in the end, or reverted back to textmate?
10:59 sth iPhone 4 ftw
11:00 rozza _cheerios: yeah all setup and yes I reverted back :)
11:01 rozza good to learn but not my favourite by any means
11:01 jurica sth: did you buy an iphone 4?
11:01 _cheerios heh. home come? i tried vim, i really put effort, but i couldnt get the plugins to work without throwing me errors now and then.
11:01 rozza ah I got it all working with nice plugins, its just so pugly and even then some of the plugins dont feel right
11:02 rozza like nerdtree - its bolted on and adds a filetree - but it doesn't seem to gel brilliantly
11:03 rozza I'm now on the hunt for an ide, that can do code analysis based on remote code and remote server configs not local ones
11:03 rozza but no joy :-/
11:03 _cheerios true. had probs as well with basic things like search, and opening files, and what buffer they'd endup in.
11:08 _cheerios sth: ive seen complaints from both sgs+iphone4 users that the alarm clock doesnt always work, due os crashing or just not doing anything. the quality of these high-end phones is a bit lacking :)
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11:09 sth jurica: I'm tempted to go on Friday and get one
11:09 jurica my 3gs alarm clock never failes
11:09 jurica and iOS never crashed in my hands...
11:10 sth Nor mine
11:10 saracen Apple fans do tend to lie
11:10 jurica saracen: its no lie
11:10 saracen jurica: But Apple fans still tend to lie
11:11 jurica im very objective!
11:11 jurica i never got windows 7 to crash
11:12 sth I have
11:12 saracen They've been tricked in to thinking build quality actually matters, because they get to say it lasts ages. Then being so loyal, they upgrade - making a device which lasts so long that it outdates its system specs redundant
11:12 jurica im using an iphone or ipod touch as my alarm clock now for almost 2 years and it really never failed
11:12 saracen Same, it's never failed on me either :)
11:13 jurica !
11:13 jurica :)
11:13 saracen But I've failed it before. The amount of times I just ignore the alarm
11:13 saracen and fall back to sleep :(
11:13 jurica but thats not the devices fault :) i know that
11:14 saracen I dunno. There should be an app that makes your iphone a sound canon
11:15 sth I used to put my iPhone in a pint glass when I was at uni
11:15 sth (when I went to bed)
11:18 jurica that wouldnt help much
11:19 sth It makes the alarm louder, the vibrations more annoying
11:19 jurica i would take it out in the morning turn off the alarm, turn around and just continue sleeping
11:33 MugeSo jurica: you should put your iPhone several meters away from your bed, it force you to walk to turn off the alarm ;)
11:33 sth I tried that. It doesn't work
11:33 jurica MugeSo: wouldnt help either ;) i just would ignore the noise :)
11:33 sth :D
11:34 sth I either ignored it or turned it off and went to bed again
11:34 jurica i just can manage to get up when i have to, if there is time left or so i just wount get up :p
11:37 MugeSo :(
11:37 jurica but thanks for the advice ;)
11:40 MugeSo you are welcome.
11:40 MikeSeth hurr durr
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13:08 _cheerios so many tasks, so few weeks left to tackle. /me yawns
13:09 _cheerios sth: minus with iphone4 is i'd need a mac at home to be able to dev for it :)
13:12 MikeSeth iphone do not want
13:12 _cheerios (unless remote screening office imac, hmm)
13:39 _cheerios reading android issues on code.google.com is a bit depressing, given how slow gets fixed and how many ppl have still issues (even with latest 2.2)
13:40 sth Android issues linger for a year and then just get marked as wont fix
13:56 jurica _cheerios: are you shure that there is no iphone sdk f?r windows?
13:57 Jarda there is no XCode for windows
13:57 jurica i thought apple had a solution for windows dev
13:59 Jarda hmm
13:59 Jarda well, if there is, I have never heard about it
14:00 jurica im really not shure!
14:02 sth One could use the jailbreak dev env
14:02 sth (in windows)
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14:03 jurica i thought there was an official/supported was but i guess i make a mistake here
14:03 sth Nope
14:04 sth Mac OS X is the only supported platform
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14:05 sth http://nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu/~asr/kid/meme/
14:05 sth that's awesome
14:05 sth The Japanese have made that kid into a meme
14:07 _cheerios lol
14:07 jurica sth: florian mentioned once that you made a iphone app, but he wasnt shure what excactly you did...
14:08 sth I once made a text storage app
14:08 sth To try put the platform
14:08 sth s/put/out/
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14:09 sth Back before the app store
14:09 jurica you wrote it in native objective-c?
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14:09 sth yup
14:09 sth Then compiled with gcc for arm
14:10 jurica where/how did you learn objective-c?
14:10 sth I read a few books, read everything I could on creating apps for a jailbroken iPhone
14:11 sth I have the Oreilly iPhone hacking book too
14:11 sth "iPhone Open Application Development"
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14:36 mfk hy, can someone help me ? :)
14:37 sth Sure if you ask
14:37 mfk i`m trying to install agavi on xampp/windows but i get this error: Error: Phing version could not be determined; Phing 2.4.0 or later required
14:38 sth Have you installed phing via pear?
14:38 mfk aaa just a moment
14:39 v-dogg means "no" :)
14:40 mfk D:\xampp\htdocs\agavi-test>D:\xampp\php\phing.bat
14:40 mfk Buildfile: build.xml does not exist!
14:40 mfk i have the phing.bat on the xampp
14:41 mfk D:\xampp\php>pear install phing/phing
14:41 mfk phing/phing is already installed and is the same as the released version 2.4.1
14:41 mfk install failed
14:41 mfk i had this before ...
14:42 v-dogg phing.bat is not on PATH and Agavi can't find it?
14:42 sth probably
14:42 mfk and how do i fix this ? :)
14:42 sth Does windows have a locate command in the command prompt?
14:43 v-dogg D:\xampp\php\phing.bat
14:43 sth I've not really used windows for anything other than IE testing in about 5 years
14:43 v-dogg my visual locate is enough :)
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14:44 v-dogg mfk: set PATH=%PATH%:D:\xampp\php\ or in My Computer -> Properties -> something -> environment variables
14:44 v-dogg or just add it to agavi.bat
14:44 mfk i put on agavi.bat: SET PHING_COMMAND="D:\xampp\php\phing.bat"
14:44 sth I can't wait until I'm done with this project, I'm going to rewrite the guide I think
14:46 mfk v-dogg: i am in the environment variables, what to do there ? :)
14:47 Jarda modify PATH
14:47 mfk the: %SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\System32\Wbem;%SYSTEMROOT%\Syste​m32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files\TortoiseSVN\bin;C:\Program Files\QuickTime\QTSystem\ ?
14:47 Jarda yup
14:47 mfk ok, what to edit ? i don`t understand :(
14:48 v-dogg OR you could just ditch the whole Xampp mess and go with plain vanilla PHP...
14:48 Jarda add D:\xampp\php\ to your PATH
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14:48 v-dogg download, unzip, double-click PEAR_ENV.reg, done
14:49 mfk i edit the PATH, what now ? restart or something ... ?
14:49 Jarda just reopen command prompt
14:50 mfk same error
14:51 Jarda write "phing -v" to the command prompt
14:51 mfk D:\xampp\htdocs\agavi-test>phing -v
14:51 mfk No VERSION.TXT file found; try setting phing.home environment variable.
14:51 mfk D:\xampp\htdocs\agavi-test>
14:52 Jarda there you go
14:52 Jarda that's your error
14:52 Jarda and I have absolutely no idea how to adjust that on xampp
14:53 mfk cool ...
14:53 mfk shoud i change xampp ?
14:54 Jarda 15:48:02 < v-dogg> OR you could just ditch the whole Xampp mess and go with plain vanilla PHP...
14:55 mfk hmmm is this a apache module or ... ?
14:57 mfk i`m something like this now: http://forums.codewalkers.com/image.php?u=64587&dateline=1206362684
14:57 mfk :))
14:58 _cheerios keychain on mac gone crazy, asking for confirmation all the time w/Chrome -- has multiple entries for Chrome in keychain entries o_O
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15:12 mfk i will kill myself :)\
15:13 mfk To rectify the error we must complete a little bit of a hack to trick the agavi batch file into recognising our phings version is greater than 2.4.0. Navigate into your XAMPP PEAR folder (D:\xampp\php\PEAR\phing) and create a new directory called ‘etc’. Inside your ‘etc’ directory create a new text file called ‘VERSION.TXT’ containing the following text ‘Phing 2.4.1’.
15:13 mfk but now i get the:
15:13 mfk D:\xampp\php>agavi
15:13 mfk D:\xampp\php\PEAR\phing\Project.php:152: Can't load default task list
15:14 mfk any ideas ? :(
15:25 J-P v-dogg: are you there and, if so, did you work on Redracer ?
15:26 J-P oh and by the way, is it possible to manually set what $ro->gen(null) will generate (somehow)
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16:00 MikeSeth mfk: looks like you dont have phing installed
16:02 saracen 14:25:47 < J-P> oh and by the way, is it possible to manually set what $ro->gen(null) will generate (somehow)
16:02 saracen To what extent? It'll generate the current URL
16:03 J-P To make a long story even longer: I'm working on a create/update form (much like the forms within WordPress)
16:03 J-P when you update the data, the form is simply re-displayed with a "success" box on top
16:04 J-P now, when I create data, upon success, I want to create data and change the form url to the "update" url
16:04 J-P otherwise resubmiting the form will result into re-creation of data therefore duplicated data
16:04 J-P right now, I simply check in the template if something has been created and then generate the update url accordingly instead of the create url
16:05 jurica so you arent using the same action for creating and updating an item?
16:05 J-P but, and this is only for "clean code", I was wondering if it's possible to always generate the "current" route with $ro->gen(null) but inside the view modifiy what ro->gen(null) will output
16:05 J-P exacly
16:05 jurica i would redirect to the edit form after insertion is finished
16:06 J-P except in that case i'll have to use some "flag" to show the "success" message
16:06 J-P right now, I only have to check which view is used
16:06 J-P ex: in the success view I specify I want to use the Input template
16:06 jurica oh yeah youre right
16:07 J-P and in the input template I check if the current view is "Success" to display the message
16:07 J-P I think it's cleaner that way
16:08 jurica can't you set this flag in the ecexuteWrite method?
16:08 jurica and then use it from either where you're coming creation or update
16:08 J-P and then create a forward container ?
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16:09 Yossi_B Huomenta
16:09 jurica i think this is how i would do it...
16:09 jurica hi Yossi_B
16:09 Yossi_B if I have model in $modulename/models/subfolder/$modelname, how do I get it with getModel?
16:10 J-P getModel('Subfolter.ModelName', $moduleName) I think
16:10 J-P jurica: but In that case I would need twice the action/module/view
16:10 J-P anyway, I think that point is just a matter of taste
16:10 J-P and both solution are probably equaly good
16:11 jurica J-P: i thought you already have it twice, once for creating and once for updating items
16:11 J-P nop right now it's all in the same "manage" action
16:11 Yossi_B J-P: works, thanks
16:11 J-P woot :D
16:13 saracen Hai developers
16:13 saracen So, I have this website, http://www.enixu.com/ - which I don't think I've ever showed anybody before and given how many people design websites these days, like the 16 year old neighbour next door
16:13 saracen I don't expect to be found on Google
16:14 saracen However, do you think it's worth me adding more to the website, when my skills are backend design? Like throw in a bunch of fancy stuff, maybe photos of servers etc.
16:14 J-P possibly pictures of kittens
16:14 J-P that's always good
16:15 sth saracen: a portfolio would be nice
16:16 J-P I agree
16:17 MikeSeth hurr durr
16:18 MikeSeth saracen: I don't see it mention emacs anywhere
16:18 MikeSeth that's SUSPICIOUS
16:18 saracen haha
16:18 saracen sth: Same design + portfolio?
16:21 sth Yeah
16:52 hzilla fuck me
16:52 hzilla php filter_var() doesn't validate urls with hyphen in the domain name
16:53 MikeSeth lololo
16:53 MikeSeth file a bug
16:53 MikeSeth lololo
16:54 sth the filter_* methods are useless
16:55 hzilla hzilla: that bug exists in a single php version, iirc
16:55 hzilla 5.3.2
16:55 hzilla lol
16:57 MikeSeth haha winner
16:58 hzilla how do u guys do quick url validation then?
16:58 hzilla i have a regex but its long
17:00 sth regex.
17:02 steffkes no validation :>
17:02 sth /^(?=[^()]*(?:\([^)]*\)[^()]*)*\z)(?![^ ]* (?=[^)]+(?:\(|\z)))(?:(?:[a-z\d() ]+(?:[a-z\d() -]*[()a-z\d])?\.)+[a-z\d]{2,6}|\[(?:(?:1?\d\d?|2[0-4]\d|25[0-4])\.){3}(?:1?\d\d?​|2[0-4]\d|25[0-4])\]) *\z/si
17:02 steffkes rofl
17:03 MikeSeth FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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17:03 sth That's marginally incorrect though
17:04 MikeSeth sth: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
17:04 hzilla wtf
17:04 MikeSeth regular expressions = duct tape of the internets
17:06 hzilla sth: is taht supposed to validate a url?
17:06 MikeSeth no it's supposed to validate sth's self esteem
17:07 MikeSeth in the old good days people'd get shot for this
17:07 MikeSeth :P
17:07 hzilla lol
17:07 MikeSeth anyway im heading hoem
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17:21 sth Well, it'll validate an IP or hostname
17:21 sth correct version /^(?=[^()]*(?:\([^)]*\)[^()]*)*\z)(?![^ ]* (?=[^)]+(?:\(|\z)))(?:(?:[a-z\d() ]+(?:[a-z\d() -]*[()a-z\d])?\.)+[a-z\d]{2,6}|(?:(?:1?\d\d?|2[0-4]\d|25[0-4])\.){3}(?:1?\d\d?|2​[0-4]\d|25[0-4])) *\z/si
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17:25 hzilla i see well i'll save that for future referernce
17:25 hzilla thanks
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20:10 Jarda I tried out Asp.NET MVC yesterday
20:10 Jarda looks interesting
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20:20 graste slaps Jarda around with proprietary trouts
20:24 Jarda <3 C# and VisualStudio
20:24 graste :P
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03:58 Home page for #agavi: http://agavi.org/
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04:19 MugeSo I overslept this morning :(
04:20 MugeSo I turn off alarm and sleep again.
04:50 MikeSeth i wish I could do that
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05:25 movvy anyone got an example rewrite config for agavi?
05:27 movvy hmm, not working, can't seem to get agavi to work on IIS.
05:34 Jarda movvy: on IIS you should ask Wombert
05:34 Jarda 1.0.4 does have support for IIS
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Log opened Thu Jul 29 12:03:50 2010
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12:04 Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
12:04 Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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Log opened Thu Jul 29 14:13:48 2010
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14:13 Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
14:13 Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:09:56 2010]
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14:34 hzilla hm facebook down
14:34 v-dogg not here
14:35 hzilla hm
14:35 hzilla perhaps a uk issue
14:38 hzilla perhaps it has been blocked in the UK
14:38 hzilla for blasphemy
14:53 saracen Loads here fine (UK)
14:53 saracen Maybe it's a hzilla issue
14:54 saracen blocked for stalking pre-teens
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14:59 hzilla its back now so i was acquitted of such heinous allegations
15:01 hzilla interesting robots file http://www.last.fm/robots.txt
15:02 Rick cute
15:03 _cheerios :)
15:05 MikeSeth why don't you take a seat
Log opened Thu Jul 29 15:26:27 2010
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15:26 Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
15:26 Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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15:29 sth They're Asimov's 3 laws of robotics
15:34 hzilla aha yes i remember now
15:53 steffkes http://buttonz75.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/why-never-to-ask-favours-from-the-desi​gners/
15:57 sth ugh, I hate bloggers who just steal content
15:58 sth original: http://www.27bslash6.com/missy.html
15:59 steffkes tzes .. bad guy -.-
16:02 _cheerios heh. total of 55 iphones in finland tomorrow in Helsinki area.
16:03 _cheerios 37C in finland (record high ever) today. guess i should go out and catch some D.
16:05 jurica wtf? 37?C?!?!
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16:07 E_mE wow 37?c
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17:25 _cheerios anyone got the "friends :p" link to a video i posted earlier?
17:25 _cheerios irclogs are missing stuff
17:26 _cheerios nm. found it.
17:27 _cheerios reddit search worked!
17:28 jurica _cheerios: logs are missing cause i rebooted the server several times today
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17:48 J-P anyone knows what's wrong with that SQL function
17:48 J-P http://pastie.org/1065625
17:48 J-P it seems I ahve a syntax error near ''
17:48 J-P You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ''
17:51 v-dogg I can tell you what's wrong with that...
17:51 _cheerios yikes :p
17:52 v-dogg You have an error in your choice of database server. Please check postgresql.org for a real database :)
17:52 J-P lawl
17:53 J-P if you put the 'matter-of-taste' away, do you know what's wrong ?
17:53 J-P Last time I've written sql function was in 2002-ish
17:54 J-P oh boy
17:55 J-P http://pastie.org/1065636 this is how I fixed the damn problem
17:57 _cheerios i'd fix it like http://pastie.org/1065640
17:57 J-P hehe ok
17:58 J-P any specific reasons ?
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19:36 rubi hola
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21:59 _cheerios tempted on ipod touch 8gb again, then googled rumors that new lineup for them coming in september x_X
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09:05 _cheerios huomenta
09:09 _cheerios iphone4 went on sale 07am today. i wasnt queuing
09:10 horros I bet there was a three kilometer queue at the ipeople store.
09:14 v-dogg weren't you there?-)
09:15 _cheerios the irony of the situation is, that likely Nokia's N8 will be the least bugged/broken phone when released in September, and it's running Symbian!
09:16 Jarda http://www.bannedinhollywood.com/top-10-offensive-board-games/
09:16 horros I don't have particularly high expectations for the N8 tbh.
09:16 Jarda I'm still thinking of bying the N8
09:16 Jarda if it doesn't cost like 900 euros
09:17 horros In fact, they should dump Symbian already.
09:17 _cheerios yeah, if Nokia would just release that N9 they're holding back for Q4
09:17 horros so they're releasing N8 in september and two or so months later a new one?
09:17 horros o_O
09:18 horros How's that for a marketing strategy.
09:18 _cheerios the N900 successor with Meego is supposed to come
09:18 horros ah, I see.
09:18 Jarda N900 was a big dissapointment at least for me
09:18 horros I disliked the N900. A lot.
09:19 Jarda I really wish Nokia would make better phones
09:19 horros Agreed.
09:20 Jarda Using any Nokia touch device after HTC android phones or iPhone feels like using a phone from the 90's
09:20 _cheerios first time that I can remember, yesterday lightning without sound. felt odd watching a huge storm that made no sound :)
09:21 Jarda I do like the E90 v-dogg gave me for work phone. But it's best when used in work situations
09:21 Jarda for my private use I like my HTC Hero
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09:23 rozza Huomenta!
09:25 rozza I've got a HTC desire and it rocks
09:27 rozza and will rock more once froyo is deployed
09:28 horros I've a Desire too and it's brilliant.
09:28 horros I also have an E90, though I haven't used it for quite some time now.
09:30 Jarda I would really need to upgrade to Android 2.1 on my Herop
09:30 Jarda I just don
09:30 Jarda I just don't have Windows at home
09:30 Jarda so it makes it a bit hard :)
09:30 Jarda OTA upgrades aren't available because my 1.5 is too old
09:32 _cheerios then android users can moan about 2.3 availability for their phones in Q4 :)
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09:45 _cheerios ttj: free product idea; nokia to develop slim phone that ties into an ipod touch (for power). Only needs number keys (or nothing, if can be used via ipod/ipad). Should be like 2mm slim, otherwise size of a match box. Win-win? :D
09:45 ttj _cheerios: Another idea: vacation in ~45min.
09:47 _cheerios those using xcode, what's the best "getting started guide"? Should I just browse the provided docs? Aim to learn some iphone devving running it in provided simulator.
09:48 jurica _cheerios: (bit ot) but do you need a ipod tocuh for testing? :)
09:48 _cheerios i could use an ipod touch for testing web browsing with it (ux to be usable with fingers), and some ios devving
09:49 ttj Or alternatively: "Fuck land, I'm on a boat, motherfucker / Fuck trees, I climb bouys, motherfucker / I'm on the deck with my boys, motherfucker / The boat engine makes noise, motherfucker"
09:50 jurica _cheerios: if you want to buy a used onr let me know, mine is lying around since i got my iphone
09:51 _cheerios fifty bucks? :D
09:52 jurica if you pay the shipping we got a deal ;)
09:52 _cheerios i wonder if it'll get taxed too. shouldnt inside EU?
09:53 jurica usually if oyu send packages as presents (write it on it and there is no bill inside) they dont charge taxes
09:57 Jarda and if it's inside eu you don't have to pay taxes
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10:46 simoncpu huomenta kerekari
10:46 simoncpu keirikari
10:46 simoncpu kereikari
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11:41 _cheerios what's the cheapest phone for latest android development?
11:42 jurica afaik there arent to many phones that can run 2.2 yet
11:44 saracen Android is ported to x86 though, right? So presumably, if your development doesnt require phone features (gps, gsm, camera) you could just load it on to any PC
11:48 sth I want to throw mine out of a window
11:54 jurica still didnt get an iphone 4 sth?
12:00 sth Nope
12:01 sth I was too hung over yesterday to go to belgium
12:10 jurica how much does it cost over there?
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12:11 sth 629
12:11 jurica 32gb version?
12:11 sth 16GB
12:12 sth Which is about the same price as it is in the UK
12:14 jurica but you cant get it without a service plan in the uk?
12:14 sth If you buy it from Apple, you get it factory unlocked
12:16 jurica yay just ordered 4 more gb of ram for my mbp
12:20 sth 2x4GB sticks?
12:21 jurica 1x4gb
12:21 jurica should be enough
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12:22 sth that'll--
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12:22 jurica cmd+w in the wrong window = bad
12:22 sth heh
12:22 sth that'll take you to 6GB?
12:22 jurica yep
12:23 jurica so its not "4 more gb" just 2 but i ordered 4gb ;)
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15:25 _cheerios i'll call it a week! ciao later.
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15:26 Jarda same here
15:28 JP__ Hello!
15:28 JP__ I'm trying to build mootools-more with packager
15:28 JP__ and I'm getting this
15:28 JP__ http://pastie.org/1067048
15:28 JP__ some warninds
15:29 JP__ First, Events.Pseudos does not exists in /Elements (but Element.Peseudos does)
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15:43 JP__ plus there is list of warnings
15:43 JP__ does it mean the build didn't work correctly ?
15:52 jurica JP__: no offense but i think that question is a bit wrong here ;) i would try to get help at the mootools chan, mailinlist or so...
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16:46 JP__ jurica: lol!
16:46 JP__ I think you're quite right!
16:46 JP__ wrong chan
16:47 jurica hehe
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17:23 danielh Huomenta
17:25 danielh I'm having problems with writing an XSD for a custom configuration file
17:27 danielh If I place my XSD somewhere in my application, how can I reference the Agavi schemes?
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18:59 CLN hey guys, i have a problem with the testing framework in agavi
19:00 CLN i cant start the run-tests.php (even via command line)
19:00 CLN it says everytime that it failed to require ../../src/.testing.php
19:01 CLN i'm running it on win7 with xampp, can anyone help me?
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08:11 _cheerios huomenta
09:35 ttj Yo.
09:36 ttj The free WLAN on trains is quite nifty...
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09:58 _cheerios good improvement
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11:20 Jarda ttj: in business class?
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12:32 Jarda sth: did you get adt working with chrome/safari?
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13:38 _cheerios when you find yourself in a corner, js closures to the rescue <3
14:26 CIA-74 david * r4548 /branches/1.0/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Add Japanese translation for sample app, closes #1298
14:29 CIA-74 david * r4549 /branches/1.0/samples/app/config/translation.xml: forgot to add ja_JP to translation.xml, refs #1298
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15:38 sth Jarda: yes
15:38 sth I got a working prototype running
15:56 Jarda sth: did you modify adt?
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20:54 v-dogg http://www.slideshare.net/Wombert/phpjp-urls-rest
20:54 v-dogg "NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN DAS IST VERBOTEN" made me lol :)
21:04 graste :)
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22:29 sth Jarda: only to remove the user agent check
23:37 Rayne lol, great work :3
23:54 sth It needs more work though
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