Agavi

Log opened Tue Jun 01 00:00:56 2010
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05:36	dakykilla	MikeSeth: you around? I have a private question about a friend you may know.
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08:30	simoncpu	huomenta
08:37	simoncpu	uh....
08:38	simoncpu	do you guys know of companies that are want to outsource their agavi projects?
08:38	simoncpu	can't find agavi projects
08:38	simoncpu	only sees drupal and other cms stuff
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09:30	_cheerios	huomenta
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09:46	graste	huomenta
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11:29	horros	Errm.
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13:55	horros	Bah. There's no palette for XML-files in NetBeans => I can't add, say, validator snippets :(
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14:44	Jarda	there isn't?
14:45	Jarda	now that you say about it, I instantly started to miss it :D
14:50	horros	I'll probably write a plugin for it some evening.
14:50	Jarda	:)
14:51	horros	Only really need the palette itself, you can already add categories and drag+drop code to create snippets.
14:51	horros	Shouldn't be too hard.
14:51	horros	Now if there was a clever way of sharing the snippets too...
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15:03	Yossi_	Huomenta
15:05	Yossi_	php DateTimeZone class - from comments - "The plus and minus signs (+/-) are not intuitive. For example, "Etc/GMT-10" actually refers to the timezone (GMT+10:00) ... "Etc/GMT+10" actually refers to the timezone GMT-10:00. " http://www.php.net/manual/en/timezones.others.php
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15:15	Jarda	wtf :)
15:18	graste	somebody actually uses palettes?
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15:26	jok4er	hallo
15:26	jok4er	i have an action and this action is simple()
15:27	jok4er	How i get now Parameters from the URL? with $rd->getParameter oder this->getContext()->getRequest()->getParameter() i diddnt get enything
15:27	jok4er	why
15:27	Jarda	for simple actions validation isn't run
15:28	Jarda	if you need input parameters for your action, then it's not simple
15:28	jok4er	what do u mean
15:28	jok4er	aha
15:28	jok4er	ok
15:28	Jarda	so you need to run execute() (or some other execute*()) for validation to kick off and populate $rd
15:29	Jarda	and execute*() methods aren't run for simple actions
15:29	jok4er	aha
15:29	jok4er	so if have to set false to isSimple() return false;...
15:29	jok4er	and have to use execute...
15:29	Jarda	yes
15:29	jok4er	ok
15:30	Jarda	that's the whole purpose of simple actions. Agavi doesn't need to run several filters for these actions so it's lighter
15:30	Jarda	but it means you can't have much logic in them
15:31	jok4er	ok
15:32	jok4er	thanks
15:33	graste	simple actions only get those parameters you explicitely hand to them via createForwardContainer
15:34	graste	explicitly even
15:36	fnordfish	or when called as a slot
15:36	Jarda	fnordfish: yeah but you need to give the parameters for the slot, right?
15:36	fnordfish	right
15:36	Jarda	yup
15:37	fnordfish	so thats all about not to run validation - you dont need validation for parameters created inside of your app
15:37	fnordfish	at least you should know what you are passing around
15:39	graste	don't forget filters - for simple slots /actions there are no filters to be run http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#general_4
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15:58	horros	Cock. I messed up the palette for all file types now.
15:58	horros	:D
16:02	sth	wtg
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16:37	horros	Suggestions for XML-snippets to include in the palette?
16:38	sth	date time validation
16:39	horros	jots down
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17:06	horros	Hmm.
17:06	horros	It ALMOST works!
17:06	horros	...in as much as I can't drag any code to the palette, nor can I drag any code from the palette!
17:06	horros	:D
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17:27	horros	AHAHAHAHA
17:27	horros	IT WORKS!
17:27	horros	\o/
17:32	horros	Hmm, not sure why it doesn't indent the snippet though.
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18:17	horros	Neat. My plugin now works in 6.9RC1!
18:25	sth	my plugin works in your mum.
18:25	horros	Very mature, Simon.
18:26	sth	That's what she said
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19:59	_cheerios	anyone have an sql-way to drop foreign keys without knowing its real name from show create table (just the column name)?
20:00	horros	That's MySQL, yes?
20:01	_cheerios	yes
20:01	horros	Then I've no idea, I'm afraid.
20:01	horros	If it was PostgreSQL...
20:01	horros	;)
20:02	horros	You can probably poke around some metadata or the other in some way.
20:02	horros	Maybe take a look at how Propel reverse-engineers MySQL tables?
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20:07	_cheerios	fking hell :<
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20:36	Jarda	horros: share in blog or smth? :)
20:40	horros	Jarda: Yeah, I'ma add some components first.
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20:40	horros	Currently writing a route-component.
20:40	horros	just need to figure out all the possible attributes and stuff ;)
20:40	Jarda	neat
20:41	horros	Also, component suggestions are welcome.
20:41	horros	I just haven't been able to figure out how to make netbeans indent the code properly though.
20:43	horros	I might actually extend this like crazy and make it display the proper components for the proper config files depending on the namespace.
20:43	horros	This is actually quite fun!
20:43	Jarda	oh, cool
20:43	Jarda	is there a way to bundle them somehow and share?
20:43	Jarda	as a plugin or smth?
20:43	horros	Well, this IS a plugin.
20:44	horros	I don't know if you can share the components somehow though.
20:44	Jarda	mmkay
20:45	horros	Basically you just need to update the module to get new components, I suppose :)
20:45	horros	Maybe.
20:45	horros	I shall investigate closer.
20:46	Jarda	ok
20:54	horros	Jarda: Oh, and mind you, this is NB6.9RC1 only.
20:54	horros	Been some weird API-changes recently.
20:58	Jarda	that's the version I'm using
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20:58	Jarda	well, actually I just upgraded from beta to rc1 today
20:58	Jarda	but, still :)
20:59	horros	Jarda: You can have a fresh version right out of the oven in about half an hour if you want to :)
20:59	Jarda	i don't promise to be awake, but if I am, I'm interested :)
20:59	horros	I'll ping you :)
20:59	Jarda	cool
21:00	Jarda	I must admit I've been doing very little development with agavi lately. Been busy with C#/WinForms and J2ME
21:02	horros	Ha. I _think_ the action and module-attributes might be useful for a route too!
21:02	horros	:D
21:02	Jarda	maybe :)
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21:07	horros	kicks the GUI designer in the face
21:11	horros	So, errm, what's required for a route? just the pattern?
21:19	horros	PHEEW.
21:19	horros	Let's see now.
21:29	horros	Jarda: ping
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21:34	horros	Gah. Fecking NetBeans mucked up the harness dir AGAIN
21:39	horros	Jarda: NBM available.
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23:25	horros	humms
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23:39	horros	I suppose nobody's awake anymore :\|
23:41	jurica	i am
23:44	horros	Uhh, I forgot what I was about to ask :D
23:45	jurica	haha
23:52	sth	me too
23:53	sth	Not that it matters, horros smells like dead tuna
23:54	horros	What's the base-attribute for validators do?
23:56	horros	Bah. Ran out of lager. Maybe I'll continue writing these netbeans palette components tomorrow.
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07:11	horros	Huomenta.
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09:51	Yossi_	Huomenta
09:52	graste	huomenta
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14:04	Yossi_	Huomenta
14:06	Yossi_	When I create a forward container to another action - and I want to pass that action an object (say I've retried it from db), and I don't won't the action retrieve it again (the object is usually exported from the action's validation). would that be possible?
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14:09	graste	you can use objects, but have to think about validation/caching
14:09	graste	e.g. agavimodels have a reference to the giant context and if you try to fragment cache your slot, serializing/deserializing may just fail miserably
14:09	graste	only on the cached version your page breaks
14:10	graste	which you would only notice when testing fragment caching with primed cache
14:10	graste	for validation you may have cases where your validator gets an object from db via ID argument, whileas now your action may become object X instead of ID and you have to decide
14:10	graste	if everything's okay
14:11	graste	other than that: I don't know :-)
14:11	graste	atm
14:11	Yossi_	I didn't really understand the caching issue...
14:12	Yossi_	ah, I won't be caching this action
14:12	graste	just don't have big objects as cache groups
14:14	Yossi_	okay got you, passing an object might fail if I cache the slot, because caching might objects be an issue, right?
14:14	Yossi_	caching might objects => caching objects might
14:15	graste	yes
14:15	Yossi_	thanks
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15:48	horros	Quiet today.
15:52	_cheerios	doing Soita Mummolle campaigning today in Helsinki centre, ttj, join in at 17:30
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16:03	ttj	_cheerios: Umm... Sorry, can't. Need to go buy ties and then have dinner with Upper War Command at 19:00.
16:05	_cheerios	-> off to the streets, nerd on the way.
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11:35	Yossi_	Huomenta
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12:10	_cheerios	i wonder if double will work as a pk to replace int(11) without hiccups
12:13	_cheerios	would allow cramming in a uuid as a long, that fakes a normal integer :)
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13:06	_cheerios	meh, no 128-bit integer support. oh well.
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16:16	horros	cock.
16:16	horros	Close, but no cigar!
16:16	horros	INFO [org.netbeans.modules.xml.retriever.catalog.impl.CatalogModelImpl]: http://www.agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/compile/1.0
16:16	horros	:(
16:17	horros	java.io.FileNotFoundException: http://www.agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/compile/1.0
16:17	horros	:<
17:12	E_mE	can google identify pages by country, e.g. EN or DE, and it will list the same page for English in .co.uk/.com and German pages in .de ?
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20:26	Jarda	horros: what's impl doing in your netbeans?
20:27	horros	Jarda: Ruining everything :x
20:29	Jarda	horros: :/
20:30	horros	Jarda: Had my plugin working brilliantly, except it registered itself for all XML files.
20:30	Jarda	hmm, that's not that bad
20:31	horros	Am now attempting to get it to hide the palette unless it finds a <configuration>-element with the agavi namespace in teh file.
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22:53	_cheerios	fuck i hate wasting so much time trying to fix miniscule little fucking details :\|
22:54	ttj	That's why you have trainees.
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12:03	horros	grumble
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12:27	Jarda	rumble
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13:45	horros	Jarda: ping
13:45	Jarda	horros: pong
13:46	horros	Jarda: The NBM will be online in maybe 20min :)
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14:04	horros	Jarda: online!
14:04	horros	(see blog)
14:15	jurica	i'm curious, wahts the url to your blog horros? :)
14:17	horros	markus.necora.fi
14:18	jurica	thanks
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14:57	Jarda	horros: oh, cool (sorry for the lag, I'm doing actual work ;))
15:03	Jarda	looks great, have to try sometime when not this busy :)
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15:27	sth	Jarda: liar!
15:27	sth	Finns spend all day in saunas
15:33	impl	sth: tell David to fix Jabber
15:35	saracen	Ugh
15:35	saracen	I'm so bored
15:36	impl	I've never met anyone with a reasonable excuse to be bored
15:37	saracen	That's because your circle of friends are all ninjas
15:37	saracen	Plus, I believe I do have a reasonable excuse for being bored
15:37	saracen	My internet connection sucks
15:39	impl	get a bike and go ride it
15:39	saracen	I was aiming for fun where I didn't have to do anything really
15:39	saracen	Riding a bike sounds a lot like exercise
15:40	saracen	and I already lifted a box up the stairs today
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15:45	sth	impl: it works fine
15:46	sth	There's 3 people on it!
15:46	sth	saracen: so's your face
15:47	impl	sth: it does not
15:47	sth	It does too
15:47	impl	I try to connect and I get "Unknown Error"
15:48	sth	http://imgur.com/bSwTb.png
15:48	sth	proof!
15:48	sth	impl: also tell jurica
15:49	sth	it's his problem!
15:49	impl	how do I tell Jurica when I can't get on Jabber.
15:49	sth	he's in here
15:49	impl	YOU tell Jurica to make it work with Pidgin
15:49	impl	oh
15:49	sth	u.
15:49	impl	jurica: fix jabber.
15:49	impl	:<
15:49	sth	u r teh failure.
16:21	Jarda	what's jabber
16:21	horros	IM protocol.
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16:29	Jarda	ok
16:29	Jarda	never used
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17:39	saracen	BX has a jabber server now?
17:40	sth	Always has.
17:42	saracen	How disgusting
17:42	saracen	I bet that's the most German place on the itertubez
17:43	sth	It's mostly used for sharing funny links
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19:43	Jarda	what's the address?
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20:01	sth	Jarda: It's an IM protocol
20:01	sth	much like AIM or MSN Messenger
20:06	Jarda	I have no idea how to connect ie with adium
20:07	sth	Jarda: you can't. You don't have access
20:07	sth	It's limited to BX employees and impl
20:07	Jarda	okok
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20:49	movvy-	hello
20:49	movvy-	I am having the strangest thing
20:50	movvy-	anytime i go to my edit or copy, it populates the boxes with the same freaking info already
20:51	Jarda	agavi (or actually fpf) doesn't populate anything it isn't told to populate
20:53	movvy-	I agree, someone its always retrieving the first records information I guess
20:53	movvy-	I will have to look into it, it started when i added the copy feature
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21:15	movvy-	got it fixed
21:15	movvy-	messed up some parameters in my models ;)
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22:13	movvy-	hmm
22:13	movvy-	there isnt anywhere needed to add a validator other then the autoload conf right?
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22:46	movvy-	unknown validator found: NotificationSystem_NotificationDeviceNameValidator
22:46	movvy-	I keep getting this, i can see it there, just wrote it, its in the autoload
23:15	movvy-	got it...excellent!
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09:58	Yossi_B	Huomenta
09:58	Yossi_B	How can I set different 404 actions for different modules?
09:59	v-dogg	you can't
10:00	v-dogg	but I guess you could get the same affect by having a "catch-all" route for each module
10:01	Yossi_B	okay
10:01	v-dogg	<route pattern="^/mymodule" module="MyMod" action="DefaultAction" > <route pattern="actualaction" action="ActualAction" />
10:01	Yossi_B	seems like a common use case.
10:02	Yossi_B	v-dogg: thanks
10:02	v-dogg	parent route matches and sets the action and, unless one of the children overrides it, it gets executed
10:03	v-dogg	should work but no guarantees :)
10:36	Yossi_B	is it okay to redirect from an action?
10:42	Yossi_B	and would that be the correct way - $this->context->getController()->getGlobalResponse()->setRedirect($route)?
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12:38	v-dogg	Yossi_B: no, it's not ok
12:39	v-dogg	that's view's job
13:46	Yossi_B	I don't like it
13:55	Yossi_B	I have an Index action which needs to evaluate a situation and redirect to a different actions according to what it decides, it kind of a clutte for me to create a view for each possible redirect
13:57	Yossi_B	ah, maybe the best way is to select the route on the action, and have 1 view which job is to redirect
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14:20	Jarda	no, it would not be the best way
14:21	Jarda	redirecting (and choosing where to redirect) is always best be done in executeHtml in your view
14:21	Jarda	action shouldn't be aware of any html-related stuff
14:21	Jarda	(actually aware of any output type specific stuff)
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14:32	Yossi_B	Jarda: the point is, the actions 'mission' is to redirect. it doesn't matter the output type. the index by itself has no meaning.
14:32	Yossi_B	The Index action does the following:
14:33	Yossi_B	User hasn't played before: redirect to instruction
14:33	sth	Redirects should be done in the view
14:33	Yossi_B	:(
14:33	Yossi_B	they are now
14:33	Yossi_B	the action sets the route to redirect to
14:33	Yossi_B	and the view redirects
14:34	sth	I don't think it should even do that
14:34	Yossi_B	well, sometime you have a problem and you have a solution and that's all that matters ;)
14:34	Yossi_B	only sometimes
14:34	sth	no.
14:35	sth	you have a half baked solution
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14:41	Yossi_B	whats the difference between an action selecting a view that preformed a specific redirect and an action setting the route to redirect to. I don't see any disadvantages. I can see why it makes less sense if you forward to another action.
14:45	Jarda	if your actions only reason to existence is to rdirect, you most likely are doing something wrong
14:46	Jarda	executing the whole action execution chain for redirecting is just waste of resources
14:46	Jarda	at least you should make the action simple and do all logic in executeHtml in view
14:47	Jarda	and choosing where to redirect is almost never actions job
14:48	Jarda	the best way would propably be using a routing callback
14:49	Jarda	something like onMatched returning false and routing continuing to the next action
14:49	Jarda	like a catch 'em all situation for two routes and the one just passes the ball to the next if something isn't matched
14:51	Yossi_B	Hmmm, the index action takes a username (from an external request) and redirects to instructions if he has never played before, redirects to currect game if there is a game currently open, redirects to schedule if there is no game open. it can be all done in a callback. is it more appropriate to redirect from a callback?
14:52	Jarda	well, you can do all this also in the view
14:52	Yossi_B	one, or many?
14:52	Jarda	in one view
14:52	Jarda	$url = <do something to get the url>; $this->getResponse()->setRedirect($url);
14:53	Yossi_B	yup, I can do that, its not much different then the action setting the route and the view redirecting to it.
14:53	Jarda	yup but you don't need to execute the action
14:53	Yossi_B	executing the action is expansive?
14:53	Jarda	of course it is
14:54	Jarda	you need to run validation and stuff
14:54	Jarda	and several other filterts
14:54	Yossi_B	I do need to validate the username...
14:54	sth	Yossi_B: the action should never know about what it's running on.
14:54	Jarda	you don't have sessions?
14:54	Jarda	and logins?
14:54	Yossi_B	the username is coming from an external request
14:55	Jarda	"external request" isn't telling me much
14:55	Yossi_B	a domain not in my control
14:55	Yossi_B	3rd party app
14:56	Jarda	well, if you really really need validation for an redirecting action, still do the redirection logic in the view
14:56	Jarda	as it's html specific
14:56	Jarda	using an routing callback would be cheaper, though
14:58	Yossi_B	I need the validation, in strict mode, even if I validate in the callback, I still won't have it available with out an execute method.
14:58	Jarda	well you can control the flow in a callback.
14:59	Yossi_B	yup, I can...
14:59	Jarda	but still, never do any redirecting specific in an action
14:59	Yossi_B	but that looks even stranger to me...
14:59	Yossi_B	Okay got you
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20:35	movvy	alright if im validating something
20:35	movvy	lets say a form
20:35	movvy	and say 2 of the 4 things validate
20:35	movvy	are those 2 thigns that validated available for me in the error view?
20:36	jurica	i think in the default setting theres nothing availible if you dont validate every param
20:37	movvy	so basically i havea form
20:37	movvy	that has to select boxes with multiple property
20:37	movvy	and using javascript you can move elemtns between them
20:37	movvy	does that make sense
20:38	movvy	and they are recovered by the database
20:38	jurica	sounds sensible so far...
20:38	movvy	and when other things on the form don't validate, the FPF, isn't handling it
20:38	Jarda	yes, fpf just populates form values, not form content
20:39	movvy	correct, so I need to know what the user selected in the previous form, to be able to write my own logic for populating those boxes
20:39	movvy	if they error in other fields of the form
20:39	jurica	let the fpf populate you're boxes
20:39	Jarda	jurica: dynamic selects can't be populated if you don't build the options
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20:40	Jarda	fpf can just say selected="selected" but it doesn't know anything about the available options
20:40	jurica	wait a sec
20:40	Jarda	movvy: you can try var_dumping $rd
20:42	jurica	Jarda: i dont understand what you mean with "if you don't build the options"
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20:44	Jarda	jurica: something like <select name="foo"><?php foreach($t['options_from_database'] as $key => $value):?><option value="<?php echo $key;?>"><?php echo $value;?></option><?php endforeach;?></select>
20:44	Jarda	I think this is the case: dynamically adding options to select field
20:45	Jarda	and when in error view you don't have access to the values of the "right side" select, you have no idea what to show there in error view
20:45	jurica	ah ok
20:45	Jarda	so I guess in this particular case it would make sense to have decent client side validation
20:46	Jarda	and behave a little uglier if gone into server side validation and error view
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21:45	movvy2	hello im sorry
21:45	movvy2	my mother board died mid conversation
21:45	movvy2	can someone catch me up if i missed something
21:45	movvy2	goes to pricewatch to buy a computer
21:48	graste1	just have a look at the channel logs :-)
21:48	graste1	http://www.agavi.org/irclogs/agavi-201006.log
21:50	movvy2	thanks mate
21:51	movvy2	yeah jarda you hit it on the nose
21:51	movvy2	since in the original Form there is nothing populated in the selected box, its not possible for FPF to handle it
21:52	movvy2	although jarda
21:52	movvy2	for FPF to even work, it must have access to these values :)
21:52	movvy2	im sure it does, im going to var dump rd as suggested
21:52	movvy2	i will let you know
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23:08	movvy2	["messprod"]=> string(3) "cvp" ["selectedNotificationDevices"]=> array(0) { }
23:08	movvy2	it has one parameter but not another... strange
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23:20	movvy2	interesting
23:20	movvy2	I think its because im using array length
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23:22	movvy2	what other validator could i use?
23:26	movvy2	I just added an export command to that validator and it works, I believe i submitted this once and they said won't fix
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23:42	movvy2	nice, i think i got it figured out what I need to do now! :)
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00:03	movvy2	nice, got it working!
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02:18	saracen	sth: you about?
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09:40	sth	saracen: It was 2am, of course I was in bed at that time
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09:53	saracen	sth: lazy.
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09:57	graste	huomenta
10:02	fnordfish	huomenta
10:04	saracen	Any of you guys implemented OpenID with Agavi before?
10:04	v-dogg	I remember at least two guys talking about it in the past
10:05	v-dogg	digitarald might have been one of them
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10:16	sth	saracen: what did you want?
10:17	saracen	sth: I can't remember. It might have been to ask whether you'd ever had to implement openid, or to try and convince you that BX should write an openid lib
10:17	sth	oh, diaf then :D
10:18	saracen	Why are all of the libraries so terrible? :(
10:18	Yossi_B	Huomenta
10:19	sth	Then code one
10:20	saracen	That's kind of a distraction from wanting to just support openid :(
10:21	sth	make one, release it on github and then david will see it and rewrite it
10:21	saracen	lol
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10:49	Rendez	huomenta!
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10:50	Rendez	is there a way to display FPF errors when validating an array?
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11:10	v-dogg	Rendez: you mean displaying validation errors with FPF or displaying FPF errors (xml parsing errors)?
11:10	Rendez	the latter
11:11	Rendez	specially when using something like "<arguments base="payment_conditions[]" />"
11:16	Rendez	v-dogg: it's more difficult because they are checkboxes, and obviously unchecked they don't come in so they don't even run the validator
11:16	Rendez	but I can fix that in the errorview I guess
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11:31	Jarda	Rendez: I don't understand what's your problem :)
11:32	Jarda	how can checkboxes be errorneous? :)
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12:30	_cheerios	God Steve is talking 9pm tonight
12:31	sth	indeed
12:57	Rendez	what is it this time?
13:06	sth	wwdc
13:06	sth	new iphone, safari 5, maybe OS 10.7
13:06	sth	other stuff
13:06	sth	I'm hoping for a trackpad for my desktop
13:06	sth	because that'd be amazing
13:07	sth	http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/apples-magic-trackpad-revealed/
13:07	sth	I'd buy that in a heart beat
13:07	sth	Much, much, much better than the magic mouse
13:16	_cheerios	whom is target user for a trackpad? laptop users on a desktop? when would one user a trackpad over a mouse?
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13:19	Rendez	laters
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14:09	saracen	13:33:37 < sth> I'd buy that in a heart beat
14:09	saracen	13:33:46 < sth> Much, much, much better than the magic mouse
14:09	saracen	13:42:02 < _cheerios> whom is target user for a trackpad? laptop users on a desktop? when would one user a trackpad over a mouse?
14:09	saracen	You missed the point
14:09	saracen	sth is an apple fanboi, he'd buy anything from them in a heartbeat
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14:09	graste	<:
14:10	graste	"much much better" than the previous apple thingy(tm)
14:10	graste	^^
14:10	graste	babysteps!
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14:37	sth	I've been using a trackpad for a while now instead of a mouse, even at my desk
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14:58	macen	trackpad looks nice
14:58	macen	i refused to upgrade to the new magic mouse though as it has no "with a power cord" option
14:58	macen	batteries are so fail
14:58	Jarda	they are not
14:59	macen	heavy, big and run out too quickly
15:00	sth	There is no "with cord" version of the magic mouse
15:01	Jarda	I hate cords
15:01	Jarda	they're ugly and get always stuck under stuff
15:01	Jarda	and I dislike light weight mouses
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20:12	matbtt_	Huomenta.
20:13	matbtt_	In general I use validation in strict mode. However, for processing notifications from PayPal I would like to avoid that. Is it possible to switch validation off for just one action?
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21:29	Wombert	stabs impl
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21:47	sth	Wombert: fix jabber
21:47	Wombert	sth: is it broken?
21:47	sth	it is for noah
21:47	Wombert	I'll blame him :p
21:48	impl	:(
21:48	sth	also, the new iPhone is a let down
21:48	sth	and they're probably not selling them unlocked
21:49	sth	to .cz I go!
21:52	sth	maybe .be
21:53	Wombert	Belgians will make you evil
21:53	Wombert	oh wait
21:53	Wombert	you haven't seen Austin Powers 3, have you
21:53	Wombert	:<
21:53	sth	I possibly have
21:53	sth	It's either Belgium or Luxemburg
22:02	sth	err: http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2117/1275938801995.jpg
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08:48	Jarda	sth: why's the stevePhone a let down?
08:49	Jarda	for me it looks fucking nice
08:49	Jarda	if I only could get it unlocked, I could buy it for my personal cellphone
08:51	Jarda	I know v-dogg is an apple hater and won't buy me one for work cell :)
08:51	Jarda	(well, actually it's just because it's lacking j2me support)
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10:04		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
10:04		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
10:04		Irssi: #agavi: Total of 32 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 31 normal]
10:04		Channel #agavi created Sun Nov 26 07:43:22 2006
10:05		Home page for #agavi: http://agavi.org/
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10:34	_cheerios	day job is python, but i like following php progress (need to finish my orm++ still :))
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10:49	Yossi_B	Huomenta
10:50	sth_	A great start to the bloody day
10:51	sth_	(Morning)
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11:56	Jarda	ha, I was blaming v-dogg for sending 401 from SecureSuccessView
11:56	Jarda	but it seems this app has started when 1.0 was in alpha state and agavi did send wrong statuscode
11:57	Jarda	http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1010
11:59	horros_	Heh, had to blog about Leena Rauhala.
12:00	horros_	the Christian Democratic Party of Finland needs to be cast in concrete and sunk at the bottom of the ocean.
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12:02	Jarda	so I can blame impl_ for writing the wrong statuscode to the templates? :)
12:06	sth	yes.
12:06	sth	if it was him
12:06	Jarda	must have been ;)
12:07	Jarda	no, it was david :(
12:07	Jarda	http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/3305/branches/0.11/src/buildtools/code_templates/defaults/views/SecureSuccessView.class.php.tmpl
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14:24	hzilla	huomenta
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14:38	sth	hey hzilla
14:40	graste	http://pastie.org/996257
14:40	graste	how to get parameter foo? validate and get?
14:40	graste	validate and $rd->getParameter('foo');
14:40	graste	?
14:41	graste	:>
14:42	graste	k, gave myself the answer
14:42	graste	:p
14:42	sth	:)
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15:05	hzilla	hey ssth
15:05	hzilla	been a while
15:15	sth	yeah, I see you've gone back to .jp
15:16	hzilla	yeh in jp now until july
15:16	hzilla	when was david coming again?
15:16	hzilla	september maybe
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15:23	sth	no idea
15:23	sth	I've given up on tracking David's trips
15:25	hzilla	he's a bit of a nomad huh
15:25	hzilla	u still in munich?
15:25	sth	Cologne
15:25	sth	I'm on a contract with a cool startup
15:25	hzilla	oh yeh what is it?
15:25	sth	United Prototype
15:26	hzilla	what do they do?
15:26	sth	We're creating a social game [that's probably the limit of my NDA]
15:26	hzilla	agavi?
15:26	sth	yup
15:26	hzilla	how long?
15:26	sth	Until the end of July
15:27	hzilla	and how is cologne?
15:27	sth	I've been here since the start of may
15:27	sth	I like it more in Cologne than Munich, but that's because it seems like a city here rather than a town
15:27	sth	I miss dirt and graffiti :)
15:28	hzilla	is the food better?
15:28	sth	I missed the*
15:28	sth	The food is about the same.
15:28	sth	Less German food which is a plus :)
15:28	hzilla	indeed
15:28	sth	Where in .jp are?
15:28	sth	are you*
15:29	hzilla	i'm in tokyo, shinjuku-ku, shinanomachi
15:29	hzilla	not far from where i lived before. bit more downtown ish
15:30	sth	Cool
15:30	hzilla	my site is still running
15:30	hzilla	not too many bugs
15:30	sth	I figured it was :)
15:30	sth	So what are you up to in Tokyo?
15:31	hzilla	gonna start doing some more work on it soon. i had a launch party and doing a bit of sales and promo
15:31	hzilla	but skint so doing some side jobs
15:32	hzilla	keeping up appearances
15:32	sth	Is there much call for PHP in .jp?
15:32	hzilla	yeh sure
15:32	hzilla	i don't know many devs tho
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15:32	sth	I guess that makes finding new stuff a little harder
15:33	hzilla	yeh but if its japanese only then i probably wouldn't be able to get it anyway, so saying mugeso would relay it through here if he found something interesting i htink
15:34	hzilla	i'm looking into an streaming iphone app now
15:34	hzilla	need to make some sales
15:34	hzilla	and some viral flash stuff
15:35	hzilla	live streaming is big here - ustream is going off
15:35	sth	I had an idea for an app for soundcloud last week, then I found out it has one but it sucks
15:35	hzilla	soundcloud sucks anyway
15:35	hzilla	http://dommune.com/
15:35	hzilla	live
15:36	sth	Holy flash batman!
15:36	hzilla	i'm trying to setup a session there soon
15:36	hzilla	i'll let u know if i get on :)
15:37	sth	please do :)
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15:39	hzilla	there's people there too jacking on the dancefloor but they don't often show them.. maybe not busy tonight
15:39	sth	So other than the iPhone/iPad app, what's next for samurai?
15:41	hzilla	subscriptions system/downloads, live streaming, classifieds, facebook style ads, ticketing and more languages
15:41	hzilla	oh and analytics visualisation
15:41	hzilla	and api
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15:43	hzilla	and video
15:43	sth	So a lot :)
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15:45	hzilla	:)
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15:48	sth	mm, I still can't find a valid reason to buy an iPad
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15:53	hzilla	i think it could have some good uses for live music performance
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15:54	sth	I don't think you could mix in real time with one
15:57	hzilla	not mixing - like midi control or synthesis
15:57	hzilla	or one of those rolf harris wobble panel things
15:57	sth	for that it could be used
15:58	hzilla	that would sell millions
15:58	hzilla	i wanna see people shaking their ipads
15:58	sth	http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/03/31/ipad-apps-for-music-making-whats-coming-the-bigger-picture/
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16:01	hzilla	yeh definite possibilities
16:06	sth	I'd like to see more use of the iPhone being used as a controller for the iPad
16:06	hzilla	interesting
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13:13	Yossi_B	Whats the diffrence between doing $this->getContext() and $this->context ?
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13:15	sth	->getConect() is the prefered way since Agavi might change what that method does, which would break any code doing ->context
13:17	MikeSeth	Yossi_B: none, but you should do $this->getContext()
13:18	Yossi_B	Rgr
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14:07	Jarda	wtf, I deployed our app on monday and still zero error log entries :o
14:08	Jarda	have we done something right? :)
14:08	Jarda	and yes, we do also log php fatal errors :D
14:10	ttj	Maybe the error logger is borked?
14:10	Jarda	:(
14:10	Jarda	that might be
14:12	sth	that would be sweet irony :D
14:18	_cheerios	heh
14:19	_cheerios	log file with wrong permissions, been there...
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06:03	luke`	Huomenta
06:04	luke`	Is there a way to create multiple actions using the build script? I tried action-wizard, but it lets me create only one action at a time. I am looking for a functionality like in module-wizard.
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10:25	Yossi_B	HUOMENTA
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11:01	E_mE	huomenta
11:02	E_mE	how can i stop <ae:parameter>NO</ae:parameter> being interpretted as 'false', i want the actual NO wording to come thru?
11:03	E_mE	someone mentioned something about ae:literalize="false"
11:03	E_mE	but, that throws an exception for me
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11:16	sth	I'd say read the ticket, but you can't because trac is slow as hell
11:23	E_mE	which ticket sorry?
11:24	sth	I remember there being a ticket for this
11:25	sth	It's also probably just literalize="false"
11:26	E_mE	i tried that too, exception thrown
11:29	Yossi_B	I remember the ticket was for a version far out
11:29	E_mE	http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/AEPs/AEP-100
11:30	E_mE	thats mentioning envelope 1.1
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11:31	Yossi_B	well then, that sucks
11:32	E_mE	well Norway, you are lost in literialization
11:33	Yossi_B	yeah, I actually had the same issue
11:33	Yossi_B	well, I didn't have it, but I saw it coming
11:34	sth	E_mE: I guess you make a workaround in your code
11:34	E_mE	well i'll have to put tempo hack in
11:34	E_mE	str_replace('_', '', '_NO_');
11:36	E_mE	Norway better thank me for this ;)
11:37	steffkes	had the same thing same times ago in a project they managed i18n foo with ini files .. NO = .. did not work that good ;D
11:44	sth	steffkes: Is it raining in Munich?
11:45	steffkes	pure sun here
11:45	sth	bollocks :(
11:45	sth	I should have stayed in Munich, nothing but rain in Koeln
11:46	steffkes	Cologne .. bah :x
11:46	sth	Although, overall it is better here
11:46	steffkes	woot?
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12:26	E_mE	sth: you like K?ln?
12:32	sth	Yeah
12:32	sth	It feels like a city
12:39	luke`	Does agavi work the Doctrine 2.0b?
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12:46	ashishg	hello ppl
12:47	ashishg	i set up doctrine following the steps at http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-agavipt2/
12:47	ashishg	but then the system breaks
12:48	ashishg	it has import errors because the files generated by doctrine don't have require_once
12:48	_cheerios	http://kimsufi.co.uk/ wasn't aware of these guys before, prices seem good
12:48	ashishg	any help?
12:50	ashishg	[16:16] <ashishg> hello ppl [16:17] <ashishg> i set up doctrine following the steps at http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-agavipt2/ [16:17] <ashishg> but then the system breaks [16:18] <ashishg> it has import errors because the files generated by doctrine don't have require_once [16:18] <ashishg> any help?
12:50	ashishg	is this working? can anyone read this? :-/
12:51	sth	_cheerios: they seem too cheap
12:51	sth	1.2GHz/2GB RAM/250GB dedicated server for ?15
12:52	_cheerios	ashishg: i havent tried doctrine2 yet
12:52	ashishg	_cheerios: no, i used doctrine 1.2.2
12:53	_cheerios	doctrine1 worked out of the box using the instructions on doctrines site, i didnt do it the agavi-way (not sure whats in that article)
12:53	ashishg	basically i turned the db on (set it to true in one of the conf files)
12:53	ashishg	and generated php classes for my database
12:54	ashishg	and put them in app/lib
12:55	ashishg	what doctrine calls models
12:56	_cheerios	ashishg: see if http://www.boerngen-schmidt.de/2009/04/howto-configure-doctrine-and-agavi/ helps
13:00	_cheerios	mmm... vacation days starting end of the week, more time to dev! :D
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13:01	E_mE	sth: thats a fairly low spec machine for ?15
13:03	ashishg	read that
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13:04	ashishg	_cheerios: can you check if the listing 14 on http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-agavipt2/ is appropriate
13:04	ashishg	i think that part if a bit different
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13:08	_cheerios	ashishg: it's been a while since i've done agavi-work, tbh. make sure core.lib_dir points to where you think it points, and that the models are there
13:09	_cheerios	v-dogg, sth, MikeSeth, horros will be able to help better most likely
13:10	ashishg	it does, i check that :)
13:10	ashishg	but anyway, thanks
13:10	ashishg	i'll keep banging my head
13:20	_cheerios	you can always cheat until agavi works for you, by loading the models at the end of index.php
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13:21	_cheerios	don't let XML get you down :)
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13:28	_cheerios	installed safari5, need to restart computer.
13:28	_cheerios	macs...
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13:37	Jarda	remember yesterday I told about our error log being empty?
13:37	Jarda	today it isn't :D
13:37	Jarda	damn you postgresql dead lock
13:37	Jarda	s
13:37	Jarda	but it means our error logging does actually work :D
13:37	_cheerios	bravo :)
13:38	Jarda	now this means I actually have to figure out how to do proper locking
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13:57	_cheerios	i was beta testing heimoi.com with a few tens of ppl last night
13:58	_cheerios	found out that registration process was real shit, some things you just forget to test :D
14:06	Jarda	heimoi isn't agavi?
14:07	_cheerios	nope, it's my first project in python+django
14:07	Jarda	why=?
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14:08	_cheerios	been doing python development for dayjob since end of 2008 or so, and django as well
14:08	_cheerios	less context switching between own projects + work
14:08	Jarda	ok
14:08	Jarda	I just don't see the beauty in python
14:11	_cheerios	symfony2 seems gr8 http://symfony-reloaded.org/ i wonder what the ETA for a stable release is
14:12	sth	you mean agavi?
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14:14	_cheerios	sth: is there agavi2 in 2010?
14:14	sth	1.1 might be pushing it :)
14:15	_cheerios	looking back at django/agavi differences i think the thing i enjoy the most is forms+models tie-in, allowing quickly devved forms. have php solutions on this end improved?
14:15	steffkes	_cheerios, sf2 not before 2011
14:15	sth	sf2 is just agavi anyway
14:15	steffkes	hrhr
14:15	sth	"Oh look, agavi has slots, let's copy that"
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14:22	Jarda	_cheerios: what do you mean by the tie thing?
14:23	Jarda	we do a lot like <input name="user[RealName]" /> <input name="user[Email]" /> and then in php $userModel->fromArray($rd->getParameter('user'));
14:23	Jarda	I really really hate form helpers'n'stuff. I like to write my own form markup with xhtml
14:36	_cheerios	1. create model 2. create form, tell it to use model for fields 3. print $form in template 4. create code to handle request/response
14:40	Jarda	the problem of that behavior is that eventually you run into situations where that isn't enough or it does too much
14:40	Jarda	and almost in every implementation doing something outside of that is too much pain in the ass
14:41	Jarda	http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=symfony+admin+generator+extend
14:41	Jarda	567 000 results
14:42	_cheerios	sure, it's been flexible enough so far. you can do the whole thing by hand if required. this just saves time, and works good
14:43	Jarda	but I can't see the downside doing forms the agavi way
14:44	Jarda	you get clean markup with fully customizable ui (css)
14:45	Jarda	say, I need to add a custom javascript thing for a specific input field
14:46	Jarda	I go to my form html, add class="myCustomClass" to the input and do the js magic
14:46	Jarda	all the implementations I've seen about "magic form creation and population" make those kind of situations such that you still end up writing everything by hand :)
14:49	_cheerios	django does this with something they call widgets and "extra" stuf
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14:51	_cheerios	biggest benefit so far has been all the tools you get at once, and python being stricter on the code + giving a few syntactical perks
14:51	_cheerios	though i dislike manually importing everything where in php you can just autoload shit
14:57	MikeSeth	hmmm
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15:39	Yossi_B	Anything SYmphony2 does agavi doesn't (except php namespace support) ? doesn't look like it form a quick look at the preview sitr
15:39	Yossi_B	*site
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15:52	Yossi_B	is PHP6 dead?
15:55	ttj	Huh?
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15:56	MikeSeth	more like stillborn
16:02	_cheerios	afaik php6 got killed to concentrate development on php 5.3 and onwards, php6 features being backported
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17:14	ClaudiuAndrei	hi everybody
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17:18	digitarald	Huomenta fellows
17:25	sth	Hi
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20:51	luke`	How is Agavi support for doctrine2?
20:52	Jarda	no one cares as propel 1.5 kicks ass
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20:59	graste	:o
21:00	graste	luke`: you can always integrate it yourself I'd guess (but I never used Agavi's doctrine adapter)
21:01	graste	just remember that wombert had fun with the last doctrine update's api changes =)
21:02	luke`	heh
21:24	luke`	graste: you just autoload all the doctrine models in autoload.xml?
21:25	Jarda	ahh, I'm so so glad to be a propel user
21:25	Jarda	it has a working agavi adapter :)
21:31	graste	luke`: I don't have a clue
21:32	graste	not that that's surprising though... :>
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21:51	ClaudiuAndrei	hi
21:51	ClaudiuAndrei	can somebody give me some examples of projects built with agavi
21:51	ClaudiuAndrei	?
21:55	graste	projects or just public websites?
21:59	sth	vadingo.com, mtv.de is (or was, depending if they've updated). sony's has some stuff with agavi
21:59	sth	sony*
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22:00	graste	mtv.de, sevenload.de, tvthek.orf.at, n24.de, 90elf.de, atv.at, and several more smaller/bigger sites from germany - see http://exozet.com/index.php/interact/de for a list of projects that often use agavi as a base for backend or frontend or both
22:00	graste	disclaimer: I'm working there :x
22:01	graste	http://www.icinga.org/ uses agavi for their monitoring app
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22:32	ClaudiuAndrei	sorry, i was away a little bit
22:32	ClaudiuAndrei	thanks graste and sth
22:33	ClaudiuAndrei	can you explain also the benefits of agavi and i would love some real world benchmarks also
22:33	ClaudiuAndrei	not some hello world
22:33	graste	it's hard to "benchmark" a framework
22:34	graste	I'd put it that way: Agavi's the first framework that I never had the feeling or need of working against the framework or it's philosophy
22:34	ClaudiuAndrei	what other frameworks did you use?
22:35	graste	it's well architectured and after having used it for a while I just can't easily get back to using other frameworks
22:35	graste	struts, rails, symfony to name 3 from 3 languages
22:35	ClaudiuAndrei	i'm currently using kohana for my personal projects
22:36	ClaudiuAndrei	which is great, but at work i might switch to agavi so i'm interested in finding out opinions about it
22:36	graste	see, kohana's got another philosophy and I know people who like it
22:37	ClaudiuAndrei	do you know kohana? can you explain the differences?
22:37	graste	the thing with Agavi is it's powerful featureset when it comes to routing, output types and views and the resulting flexibility
22:37	graste	never used kohana, but was introduced to it by colleagues
22:38	graste	a few things hit me as something I'm not liking (validation not strict by default, no output types, no clear MVC)
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22:39	ClaudiuAndrei	talking about kohana or agavi?
22:39	graste	kohana
22:39	graste	Agavi's nice :P
22:39	ClaudiuAndrei	:)))
22:39	ClaudiuAndrei	kohana has another design pattern now, hmvc, which i kind of like :)
22:39	graste	i c
22:40	graste	hm
22:41	graste	so how does that turn out in practice?
22:41	ClaudiuAndrei	i really love kohana, is really nice, for my way of working, but I will probably use agavi for work
22:41	ClaudiuAndrei	which i heard a lot of good things about
22:41	graste	just give it a try and ask here if you hit a wall
22:41	ClaudiuAndrei	is nice, it helps to modularize better the application
22:42	graste	like the slots in agavi?
22:42	ClaudiuAndrei	i don't know :), never used agavi
22:43	graste	well, each Agavi module does have actions/views/templates/caching/validation and you create your page using "slots" where each slot is MVC - slots may be "simple" to not have filters run when executing them
22:44	ClaudiuAndrei	are the agavi slots using mvc also?
22:44	graste	each slot can have its own caching lifetime, logic etc
22:44	graste	as you put your business logic in models your actions/views are pretty simple most of the time
22:44	ClaudiuAndrei	then i guess is similar the concept
22:45	graste	your views deliver content using data you got in the action or view by using models and outputting them according to the output type (default or set via routing)
22:46	graste	so you get a list of products in your action and output them in your view as HTML, CSV, PDF, XML, JSON or whatever
22:46	graste	your view may use templates for rendering
22:47	ClaudiuAndrei	pretty much as any good mcv framework
22:47	graste	yes
22:47	graste	except that many merge the action/view/template a bit too much
22:47	graste	+part
22:48	ClaudiuAndrei	how does the database layer work? does it have it's own orm?
22:48	graste	you can use whatever you like - use agavi models in your actions/views and let those agavi models use whatever ORM you like
22:48	graste	propel and doctrine support is built-in
22:49	graste	never used doctrine myself though
22:49	ClaudiuAndrei	i prefer lightweight myself
22:49	ClaudiuAndrei	:)
22:51	graste	the best thing about agavi is, that it's not WEB app only - the console or SOAP contexts are pretty cool too - just define contexts or output types and use them as you like - routing works for all of them and you don't need separate actions if you don't like it
22:52	graste	I think the sample app has it all
22:52	graste	if you want to have a look
22:53	ClaudiuAndrei	i will probably install it this weekend and give it a go
22:53	graste	beware of a steep learning curve
22:53	graste	:>
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22:53	ClaudiuAndrei	:)
22:54	ClaudiuAndrei	it's pretty simple if a software is built right, it's easy to learn :D
22:55	ClaudiuAndrei	seriously, do you have any kind of benchmarks, just for fun :)
22:55	graste	yeah - Agavi's not a RAD tool on itself, but you will be very fast once you know the knobs and levels
22:55	graste	about what?
22:55	graste	how to benchmar a framework?
22:55	graste	+k
22:56	graste	development speed-up? page delivery times?
22:56	graste	pretty useless :>
22:56	ClaudiuAndrei	i know, but i'm currious on how much clutter is in it
22:56	graste	developer happiness? :>
22:56	ClaudiuAndrei	:)))
22:56	graste	hm
22:57	graste	no clutter, just pure MVC - not that I would start up an agavi request dispatcher when I can have a reverse proxy to help me :-)
22:57	graste	but that's the same with all those frameworks
22:57	ClaudiuAndrei	delivery times would be a good start. I guess that both development speed and developer happiness are good, i never heard somebody complain about agavi this way
22:57	ClaudiuAndrei	but again, i never heard sobody complain about kohana either :P
22:57	graste	^^
22:58	ClaudiuAndrei	i take an example, i played with symfony again for work, not my choice :(
22:58	ClaudiuAndrei	and for a simple request is using 6 mb of ram
22:59	graste	I don't have benchmarks, but depending on my experience I'd say it's not faster or slower than symfony, but much more versatile and cleaner when developing with it
22:59	graste	you better don't use the AgaviContext much then :P
22:59	graste	or i18n features :D
22:59	graste	no
22:59	graste	just kidding
23:00	ClaudiuAndrei	i'll give it a try and tell you how i feel about it :)
23:01	graste	gets some fears about your memory benchmarks
23:01	ClaudiuAndrei	does it use code generation?
23:01	graste	it has phing and an agavi script that creates modules for you
23:01	graste	but that's it
23:02	graste	no scaffolding or so
23:04	ClaudiuAndrei	thanks a lot for your time and help
23:04	ClaudiuAndrei	i'll be back with question after i try it :)
23:06	graste	have fun and don't quit using Agavi due to flawed benchmarks :P
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23:10	ClaudiuAndrei	:))) thanks, i won't base my decisin on that :D, but it's nice to have an ideea
23:11	ClaudiuAndrei	and anyway i was looking for people who are passionate about the framework, if there are people passionate about it, then they (i mean you :P) have a reason, so i'll look into it and find out if it's for me
23:12	graste	only knows Agavi advocates (fanboys cough) - no Agavi haters around anywhere on the horizon :p
23:14	ClaudiuAndrei	yeap, i see that :)
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23:15	sth	we're too small to have "haters"
23:21	ClaudiuAndrei	thanks again, i'm leaving now
23:21	ClaudiuAndrei	i'll be back :P
23:21	ClaudiuAndrei	bye
23:21	sth	bye
23:21	graste	sth: just write some rants about other frameworks
23:21	graste	and publish them on reddit
23:21	graste	:P
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23:21	sth	Or standup in a conference and moan about others
23:22	graste	then send MikeSeth over to make them shut up :D
23:22	graste	ha
23:22	graste	:>
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00:49	ttj	I whole-heartedly hate David's orange shoes, if that counts towards having haters...
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01:45	saracen	ttj: David has orange shoes? ;x
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07:44	Jarda	http://tietokone.sestatic.fi/var/smf/storage/images/tietokone/uutiset/gatesin_ja_vanhasen_tapaaminen_poiki_tutkimushankkeita/7917373-1-fin-FI/gatesin_ja_vanhasen_tapaaminen_poiki_tutkimushankkeita_smf_article_main.jpg
07:44	Jarda	finnish prime minister with bill gates
07:45	Jarda	something like: "Hi shorty!" -"Hi poor!"
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09:00	_cheerios	huomenta
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09:47	saracen	23:31:26 < sth> Or standup in a conference and moan about others
09:47	saracen	I could see Agavi's belly from where I was standing
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10:01	horros	Oh, have to remember to put a few lines of Lotto today.
10:02	horros	...mainly for two reasons. 1) It's 7,1 million euro and 2) I want to start a book publishing company that would publish Sweep here in Finland, as the original publisher backed down because the christian democratic party pressured them enough.
10:02	horros	If I manage to publish the book, I'll include a page that says, with a HUGE font, "Greetings to MP Leena Rauhala!"
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10:12	Jarda	:D
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10:17	horros	also, why is my subversion broken in nb6.9rc1?
10:18	horros	It keeps resetting my config file and removing the tunnels section :x
10:32	ttj	http://www.newser.com/story/91029/banker-i-was-fired-for-being-too-hot.html
10:35	_cheerios	had some probs with nb subversion also, it kept created some odd metadata that ignored svn:ignores
10:36	_cheerios	heh
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11:42	horros	_cheerios: I fixed my issue by removing write permission for everyone from the config-file :D
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14:03	E_mE	Am I correct in hearing that when an action is defined as isSimple() and getDefaultView(), that the ActionName.xml validate file isn't run?
14:03	sth	correct
14:04	Rendez	E_mE: Is asking because I'm doing a slot action, and using isSimple(), getDefaultViewName() and retrieving the RD with $this->getContainer()->getRequestData()->getParameters()
14:04	Rendez	this action is only planned to be a slot
14:05	E_mE	well, i'snt that alittle risky, because if you are passing parameters to a simple action, but perhaps slightly more complex view... isnt that a risk?
14:05	E_mE	ja, I understand rendez
14:05	v-dogg	you can manually pass parameters for a slot'ed action
14:05	Rendez	so I'm merely passing parameters I already validated in the main action
14:06	Rendez	but they don't need to be validated, because they already are
14:06	E_mE	v-dogg, so doing a web request with parameters wouldnt reach the view... but a slot call would?
14:06	Rendez	E_mE argues it would be risky, but there is no access from routing.xml to this action
14:06	E_mE	rendez, i was saying its risking on the web front with entry via routing.xml....
14:06	Rendez	E_mE: curious about this too!
14:07	Rendez	I know
14:07	E_mE	im just trying to get this streight... to see if a slot has special abilities over a normal request to the same simple request
14:07	Rendez	I can test this quickly!
14:08	E_mE	but anyhow Rendez , coolio...
14:09	Rendez	yes, the parameters arrive
14:09	Rendez	this is risky :S
14:09	E_mE	you are not in strict mode are you?
14:09	Rendez	well, they don't arrive in the AgaviRequestDataHolder instance
14:09	Rendez	yes I am
14:09	Rendez	but they arrive in the container
14:09	E_mE	ok
14:09	v-dogg	if you create the container yourself you can pass extra parameters which aren't validated
14:10	v-dogg	and are available in the view even if the action is simple
14:10	Rendez	ep
14:10	Rendez	well, the point is validate/not validate
14:10	Rendez	as long as the action is only called as slot is sfae
14:10	Rendez	safe*
14:10	Rendez	but how good is this?
14:11	v-dogg	if it's called as a "normal" action normal validation rules apply
14:11	v-dogg	so no security risk there
14:11	Rendez	no, I just tested it
14:11	v-dogg	no what?
14:11	Rendez	well, I created a routing and called the pattern
14:12	Rendez	with isSimple and getDefaultViewName, I got the params in $this->getContainer()->getRequestData()->getParameters()
14:12	E_mE	ja my geolocation thing didnt work with strict on, so parameters are not arriving... -isSimple() in my actions
14:12	Rendez	I've got debug=true
14:13	E_mE	rendez, that doesn;t define whether its strict or not
14:13	Rendez	I checked and I've got strict
14:13	E_mE	factories.xml
14:14	Rendez	dude
14:14	Rendez	:D
14:14	E_mE	but i just tested it, and no parameters passed.. so we're cool :P
14:14	Rendez	what?
14:14	E_mE	sorry, didnt mean to write it on your forhead :P
14:14	Rendez	E_mE: no parameters passed where?
14:14	Rendez	using the container?
14:15	E_mE	to AgaviRequestDataHolder
14:15	Rendez	of course
14:15	Rendez	that's obvious
14:15	Rendez	specially if you use isSimple, no execute* methods are called, so no $rd instance gets there
14:15	E_mE	yes but in the view .. $rd exists
14:15	Rendez	ah right
14:16	Rendez	but you can always get to the container...
14:16	Rendez	I guess this is bullshit, and it's just better to write validate.xml
14:16	E_mE	ja indeed.. i prefer not use that my self
14:16	v-dogg	Rendez: something fishy going on at your end now
14:16	v-dogg	container's request data is always cleaned
14:16	E_mE	of course he lives right by the sea, how did you know v-dogg :P
14:17	Rendez	v-dogg: hm?
14:17	v-dogg	with strict validation mode
14:17	v-dogg	where do you use $this->getContainer()->getRequestData()->getParameters()?
14:17	Rendez	v-dogg: you're right :P
14:18	Rendez	the (bool) wasn't returning true in isSimple()
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18:26	E_mE	hmmm some friday AC/DC :D
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20:15	matbtt_	Huomenta, while making more and more progress in my project I start to question my app's module orchestration. I'm working on the web frontend of an online game and actually a module is equal to an area on the website, e.g. account module is the account section. In this section I can create characters or create guilds. The logic resides in subfolders of the Account module. However it is possible that character or guild related functions are requi
20:15	matbtt_	on other parts of website as well, e.g. in the community. Therefore I have also have subfolders for characters/guilds in that module.
20:16	matbtt_	This gets out of hands.
20:16	matbtt_	Any idea of a better structure?
20:17	matbtt_	How do you organize your apps?
20:29	matbtt_	:o nobody?
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21:32	Rayne	organization is overrated troll
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03:36	Madhat	Yahovah: sup
03:36	Madhat	Wombert: #stock
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03:36	Madhat	impl wants you to join
03:37	saracen	Madhat: You've forgotten the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rule of #stock
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14:30	Wombert	hey saracen
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22:55	erisco	FPF is repopulating my form but not displaying error messages... how can I look into this issue? In the past I had problems with FPF identifying the form... the action is equivalent to the current page
23:10	erisco	it magically works now
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01:57	CIA-74	david * r4546 /branches/1.0/RELEASE_NOTES: some info on Azure support
02:21	saracen	Wombert: sup?
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12:02	Jarda	now, tell me
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12:03	Jarda	fpf isn't injectin _any_ error messages
12:03	Jarda	but
12:03	Jarda	I'm still in error view
12:03	Jarda	wtf
12:04	Jarda	now, someone kick me in the face
12:05	Jarda	(MyModule/config/validators.xml had an overlapping validator)
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17:11	Jarda	aren't slots available in templates?
17:19	sth	Depends on how they're defined.
17:20	sth	If they're defined in output_types, they're only available in the master template, if they're called from the view, they're available everywhere iirc
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18:23	Jarda	sth: ok thanks
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20:44	Jarda	ok wtf
20:44	Jarda	my mighty mouse won't scroll up
20:44	Jarda	only down
20:47	sth	clean it then
20:47	Jarda	yup, turned it upside down and rolled over a paper for a minute or so
20:47	Jarda	started working
20:47	Jarda	weird though
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20:56	Jarda	can I give parameters to a callback
20:56	Jarda	I could reuse a callback with a switch
20:57	sth	rofl http://i.imgur.com/YDjND.jpg (via impl)
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20:58	Jarda	routing callback that is
20:59	Jarda	well, I could of course try :D
21:07	Jarda	it seems I can't give callback specific parameters
21:07	Jarda	only route specific
21:21	Jarda	oh nice, this works
21:21	Jarda	maybe ugly, but works
21:21	Jarda	I'm returning AgaviWebResponse from a callback
21:21	Jarda	avoiding action executing ++
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09:53	graste	huomenta
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10:59	riddler	hello
11:00	riddler	how i can get the fragment 'article' in the View?
11:00	riddler	with $rd->getParameter('fragment') ?
11:00	Jarda	hmm, you mean the url fragment?
11:00	Jarda	it's not available in php
11:00	riddler	yes
11:00	riddler	oh
11:00	riddler	sucks
11:00	riddler	:D
11:00	riddler	thx
11:01	Jarda	if you mean the http://foo.tdl/article#myFraction
11:01	Jarda	or something similar
11:01	riddler	yes
11:01	Jarda	yup, you have to match it in js
11:01	riddler	ok thx
11:01	riddler	hmm i want to set a slot if the fragment is article_recommend
11:02	riddler	i think i add a new Parameter to the URl
11:02	riddler	thx
11:02	Jarda	yes, no problem :)
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11:23	v-dogg	#fragments are not sent to the server at all
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12:47	pashyon	hi everyone
12:47	pashyon	is it possible to cache the route of something?
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12:51	sth	cache in what way?
12:52	pashyon	hey simon
12:52	sth	Hi
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13:15	scompt	is it possible to manually validate some data using the configured AgaviValidators?
13:16	scompt	instead of having it automatically done through the AgaviRequestDataHolder
13:18	graste	like this? http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_6
13:20	Jarda	humm
13:20	Jarda	any google maps alternatives than bing?
13:21	Jarda	(need maps in an authorized web app but don't feel like paying 10k+ for them..)
13:21	graste	openstreetmap?
13:21	graste	yahoo?
13:22	graste	tell us what you find :-)
13:22	graste	would be interested to here the result
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13:25	steffkes	what against g-maps?
13:26	Jarda	steffkes: pricing
13:26	Jarda	prices starting from $10k
13:26	Jarda	per year
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13:27	steffkes	y would you need the enterprise-version? interal app? or more accesses than allowed?
13:28	Jarda	our web app isn't publicly available
13:28	Jarda	commercial and needs login
13:28	Jarda	so I've understood we can't use google maps then
13:28	Jarda	+no https
13:28	steffkes	yes, right .. that's what i was asking for ;)
13:29	Jarda	bing maps costs almost as much
13:29	scompt	graste, not quite, the validator is already defined, but instead of validating parameters coming in through the URL, I'm pulling a message off of a message queue and want to validate its contents
13:30	steffkes	Jarda, not sure .. but all the other map-providers may have rules that are almost equal to the google ones .. so i'd suggest have a look on OSM, like graste said
13:30	scompt	jarda, maybe roll your own with openstreetmaps?
13:30	scompt	ah, just saw someone already mentioned it :-)
13:30	steffkes	the "problem" with this is mainly the style of the presented map
13:30	Jarda	the coverage of openstreetmaps isn't enought for us
13:31	Jarda	it lacks too much streets
13:31	steffkes	okay, additional to this :D
13:31	Jarda	and street names
13:31	steffkes	welcome the premier version ^^
13:32	steffkes	the requirements you have .. are really not that friendly for free-maps *g
13:32	Jarda	I know.. but still $10k sounds too much..
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13:56	riddler	hello again
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13:57	riddler	i have a url like this test.de/1610490/mc_musicnews/1655018?type=article_recommend#article
13:58	riddler	is there i way if i set $ro->gen(null) to destroy the parameter type + value and the fragmanet
13:59	riddler	so the result should be : test.de/1610490/mc_musicnews/1655018
14:00	riddler	or do i have to set the route again? $rd->gen('article.musicnews',array('id'=>21321,'page_id' => ......
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16:43	luke`_	Huomenta
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16:44	luke`_	struggling with the doctrine adaptor. Works on my machine, but doesn't work on my colleagues'. It can't load the models correctly even though <ae:parameter name="load_models"> is pointing to the right place.
16:47	luke`_	anybody using doctrine 1.2 with agavi here?
16:47	hzilla	yep
16:58	Rendez	luke`_: this is how I'm doing
16:58	Rendez	<ae:parameter name="load_models">%core.lib_dir%/doctrine</ae:parameter>
16:58	Rendez	maybe is some other attribute you didn't include
16:59	sth	diff the two databases.xml files
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18:36	Jarda	(clear cache)
18:38	hzilla	error message?
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08:40	Jarda	localized routes aren't supported, yes?
08:40	Jarda	(I'm just talking with a ZF user, not needing them myself)
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08:53	v-dogg	no
08:53	v-dogg	it's doable but requires some effort (I remember someone having done it in the past)
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12:22	splash	hi there! How do i access error messages from validators in my Error404 action? (Which is my default error module)
12:24	Jarda	wait a second
12:25	Jarda	you say that when validation fails you show Error404 view?
12:27	v-dogg	and even more, you forward to Error404 _action_?
12:27	splash	yes, but that will change. i just want the option to access the error message. is there a possibility to do so?
12:28	splash	yes, i have a dummy text in it and its beeing displayed
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12:28	Jarda	well if you forward to action, you won't be able to get the validation errors afaik
12:28	Jarda	and it's most bad design ever :D
12:29	v-dogg	each execution container has its own validation result but there was a way to pass it on... just can't remember how
12:29	Jarda	and even if it's possible you should never do it
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12:32	splash	i dont forward activly, ah ok - the problem is elsewhere, the validator does not redirect me to the 404 page (verified it with another validator)
12:35	Jarda	validators don't redirect
12:38	splash	ok thanks
12:42	splash	but then the problem is elsewhere, i created an action which gets 1 parameter and it wont work if the paramter has a dash in it. (xyz -> works ... xy_z -> works ... xy-z -> fails and redirects me to the 404 action)
12:45	Jarda	show the routing.xml
12:47	splash	well that was it! thanks ...
12:48	Jarda	:)
12:53	splash	can you tell me how to find information for agavi? i know the guide and the api documentation, but are things like "all available validator methods" documentated? if this information is in the api docs where do i find it?
12:54	Jarda	well the api documentation does have all the methods, yes
12:56	Jarda	and then there's http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html
12:57	Jarda	but there's not a complete guide available that has every class and every method documented more than can be found from api docs
12:59	splash	ok jarda, thanks a lot for your time.
13:00	Jarda	and we are always willing to help here
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13:02	_cheerios	huomenta
13:08	_cheerios	looking at own orm code. i wonder what's left to do...
13:29	_cheerios	seems like a lot, testsuite doesnt even run :D
13:35	_cheerios	impossible to debug without xdebug, need that setup too...
13:35	MikeSeth	splash: it is generally a very good idea to study the structure of the source tree
13:35	MikeSeth	because that is THE authorative manual :)
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16:36	_cheerios	3hrs later testsuite now runs to note that all fails. progress.
16:40	steffkes	:D
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09:28	_cheerios	huomenta
09:29	_cheerios	RE: ORM: Tests: 29, Assertions: 24, Failures: 7, Errors: 10. // things be progressing :)
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11:50	AshishG	test
11:51	AshishG	hi
11:51	AshishG	ls
11:51	AshishG	woops
11:53	AshishG	can someone help me with this noob prob i have - is there some place where i can go and read about what all does $this->getContext() and stuff mean
11:54	sth	Yes, the PHP manual: php.net/oop5
11:55	AshishG	so whenever i read an agavi tutorial that goes $this->getContext()->getUser()
11:55	AshishG	it is a PHP thing and not an Agavi thing?
11:56	Jarda	to write applications with agavi you should have strong knowledge of Object Oriented Programming with PHP5
11:56	AshishG	sth: thanks though for pointing that out, i generally develop in python but wanted to try out agavi
11:56	Jarda	but in general, $this->getContext() returns the singleton instance of AgaviContext
11:56	sth	Well, $this refers to the current object (from within the object)
11:57	AshishG	sth: yes, i'm aware of that
11:57	AshishG	and you access methods and attirubtes with ->
11:57	AshishG	whereas the general class goes with :: (eg. $this vs self)
11:58	AshishG	that's right, right?
11:58	steffkes	yes
11:58	sth	stuff like self:: are normally used for static attributes and methods inside the class. $this-> would infer that it's from within an initialised instance
11:59	AshishG	yep, so changes if made are to the instance and not the class, i'll go look up what getUser() is, thanks everyone sth Jarda steffkes
12:00	sth	AshishG: since the agavi guide sucks so much, there's an IBM article set and the api docs (http://agavi.org/apidocs) are rather useful
12:01	AshishG	i'm using the IBM article
12:01	AshishG	in that too there was a prob with how doctrine models are loaded
12:01	AshishG	which took a long time to solve for me
12:02	AshishG	idea that i used was load base models first and then load others - make it a two step process
12:03	AshishG	just to reconfirm getUser() is part of PHP?
12:03	Jarda	no
12:03	AshishG	ha! hence my confusion this long
12:03	steffkes	:D
12:04	Jarda	getUser() returns the User instance (that normally holds session data etc)
12:04	Jarda	I suggest you look at the sample app http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples
12:04	Jarda	it has a lot of agavi use cases implemented
12:05	Jarda	and if that ibm agavi article series is the one I've been reading, I suggest not to follow it too strictly. It has very poor standards of using Doctrine models straight from views and actions
12:05	Jarda	you should always encapsulate your doctrine models (or propel models or plain sql usage) in AgaviModels
12:06	AshishG	Jarda: seems like the same guide you were reading
12:08	AshishG	is there anywhere i read about Agavi then, which is worthwhile?
12:08	Jarda	Well I learned reading the guide on agavi.org, looking at sample app and asked a lot of questions here
12:09	AshishG	Jarda: seems like i'm on the right track then :P
12:09	Jarda	:)
12:09	AshishG	it is generally ppl who have experience who are shy at asking questions, i'm only in college :)
12:10	Jarda	agavi isn't too newbie friendly, to be honest. But when you get into it, you start to do things like "hmm, I wonder if I could do this like this... yes!"
12:10	AshishG	hehe, may not be newbie friendly but that's why i have you guys :)
12:11	horros	Also you'll never ever want to go back to coding webapps without it.
12:12	AshishG	govts ban addictive stuff ;)
12:12	sth	Between the Guide, FAQ (link is on agavi.org/documentation - in the top corner), IBM articles, API docs and reverse engineering the sample app works well :)
12:13	sth	We're also in here most of the time, plus if you get stuck the mailing lists get a reasonably quite response
12:13	AshishG	sth: hmm... looks like this is gonna be fun long ride then
12:14	AshishG	oh and another quesiton: getUser()->setAttribute(a, b, c)
12:14	AshishG	a is the dictionary entry name?
12:14	AshishG	b is the value?
12:14	AshishG	and c is ... ?
12:14	Jarda	and c is the namespace
12:14	Jarda	in agavi you have attribute namespaces.
12:14	sth	key, value, namespace
12:14	Jarda	$user->setAttribute('key', 'value', 'namespace');
12:15	AshishG	ah!
12:15	Jarda	$value = $user->getAttribute('key', 'namespace');
12:15	AshishG	that helps, sth Jarda
12:15	Jarda	$array = $user->getAttributes('namespace'); // $array contains 'key' => 'value'
12:16	AshishG	'key' => 'value' meaning it's a 2D array?
12:16	Jarda	yup
12:16	Jarda	well, associative array
12:16	Jarda	http://fi.php.net/manual/en/language.types.array.php
12:16	AshishG	oh ok, dictionary in python terms
12:16	Jarda	yes
12:17	Jarda	I've never really coded with python
12:17	Jarda	php, Java and C#
12:17	AshishG	for some reason i've a mind-block against Java
12:18	AshishG	i mean, i've used it in my assignments which ask me to, but i haven't been able to love it yet
12:19	AshishG	i think i'll get back to work, you guys will see me around :)
12:20	AshishG	and thanks a lot everyone esp. Jarda sth :)
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12:45	AshishG	hello, m back and stuck
12:45	AshishG	i have set up the routing.xml with this line
12:45	AshishG	<route name="user.login" pattern="^/auth/login$" module="Auth" action="Login" />
12:47	AshishG	and then i have LoginAction.class.php in app/modules/Auth/actions
12:48	AshishG	and i have the LoginInputView.class.php in Auth/views
12:48	AshishG	but http://localhost/auth/login isn't working
12:49	v-dogg	and byt "not working" you mean what?
12:49	v-dogg	by*
12:49	sth	Is there an action?
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12:49	AshishG	not working is page not found
12:50	AshishG	Chrome says "link appears to be broken"
12:50	Jarda	where does your apache document root point to?
12:50	AshishG	an action? as in i have LoginAction.class.php
12:50	AshishG	in action
12:51	AshishG	which has only return 'Success'; in getDefaultView()
12:51	Jarda	if you want those kind of urls your apache document root should point to /path/to/your/project/pub
12:51	AshishG	but has code in executeWrite(ARDH $rd)
12:51	AshishG	Jarda: i've set up a virtual host
12:51	Jarda	AshishG: did you see the welcome module?
12:51	Jarda	(as told in the agavi introduction guide)
12:51	AshishG	yes, that worked
12:52	sth	Also, are rewrite rules setup correctly?
12:52	Jarda	what does http://localhost/index.php/auth/login say
12:52	Jarda	if that works, then your mod_rewrite isn't working
12:52	AshishG	i did not get rid of teh welcome module until all my doctrine models did load prorerly
12:52	AshishG	and the index page loads
12:52	AshishG	the custom one
12:53	v-dogg	does Chrome show some default error message in case of 404? and not what the server sends?
12:53	AshishG	Jarda: that pages says the same thing
12:53	AshishG	sth: .htaccess was auto setup
12:53	sth	It doesn't mean it's correct :)
12:53	v-dogg	AshishG: what's the action's class name?
12:53	AshishG	LoginAction.class.php
12:53	sth	mod_rewrite has to be enabled, AllowOverride has to be set to All, options needs +FollowSymlinks
12:54	v-dogg	and do you have any other routes defined?
12:54	AshishG	yes
12:54	v-dogg	AshishG: not the file, the class
12:54	AshishG	v-dogg: <route name="index" pattern="^/$" module="Default" action="Index" />
12:54	AshishG	and index page does work
12:54	v-dogg	paste your routing.xml. my money is on some other route messing things up
12:54	Jarda	AshishG: try to put in your Index template <a href="<?php echo $ro->gen('user.login);?>">Link to login</a>
12:55	Jarda	what's the url it's generating and what happens if you click it
12:55	AshishG	Jarda: try what?
12:55	AshishG	sth: you mean in the .htaccess file right?
12:56	Jarda	AshishG: in app/modules/Default/templates/IndexSuccess.php write that html code I gaver
12:56	Jarda	reload the index page
12:56	AshishG	yes, sorry, got it
12:56	Jarda	and tell us where the new link points
12:56	AshishG	i misread it the first time
12:56	AshishG	that was for Jarda
12:56	sth	AshishG: in the virtual host
12:57	AshishG	sth: even if i don't use the virtual host i have probs
12:58	AshishG	Jarda: doing that inserts a warning table on the page
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12:58	Jarda	AshishG: what does it say
12:59	Jarda	oh, it's missing one character
12:59	Jarda	$ro->gen('user.login');
12:59	Jarda	it's missing the last "'"
12:59	AshishG	whoops, how did i miss that with syntax highlighting!
13:00	AshishG	yes, the url is http://localhost/
13:00	Jarda	ok, then pastebin.org your routing.xml
13:01	AshishG	http://pastebin.com/JfLWFxtZ
13:01	AshishG	routing.xml ^^
13:02	Jarda	well at least you have two routes with the same name
13:02	Jarda	don't know if that's causing the error
13:02	Jarda	but try to change the latter
13:02	Jarda	most likely it is
13:03	v-dogg	it is
13:03	Jarda	as the xml is compiled to a php array
13:03	Jarda	where the latter then overwrites the first
13:03	Jarda	or something similar
13:03	AshishG	oh, yes, maybe
13:03	AshishG	let's check
13:03	AshishG	nope, doesn't help :(
13:04	Jarda	hmm, what environment are you bootstrapping in index.php. Just to be sure your cache is being cleared
13:05	Jarda	or you can clear it by hand by removing everything under app/cache/config
13:05	AshishG	i'll clear that
13:06	Jarda	but $ro->gen('user.login') should not generate an empty url with that routing.xml
13:07	AshishG	hey wait, it did work
13:07	AshishG	as in it works this way: http://localhost/index.php/auth/login
13:08	AshishG	after clearing cache
13:08	Jarda	yup. So your mod_rewrite isn't working
13:08	AshishG	how do i fix that
13:08	Jarda	well that's apache specific, and sth did tell the main points
13:08	AshishG	so sth was spot on
13:08	v-dogg	99 out of 100 times it's AllowOverride
13:09	AshishG	but clearing cache was requried too
13:09	v-dogg	duplicate route was the initial problem
13:10	AshishG	hmm, so names must be unique
13:10	AshishG	lesson learnt
13:10	sth	win. :)
13:12	AshishG	sth: adding AllowOverride can be done in the .htaccess file too right?
13:12	AshishG	in the app directory
13:12	v-dogg	no
13:12	v-dogg	AllowOverride is the directive that controls what .htaccess can do
13:14	AshishG	v-dogg: oh. i'll check out how that's done, do it and get back :)
13:14	v-dogg	httpd.conf
13:15	v-dogg	http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/core.html#allowoverride
13:16	Jarda	google still gives 1.3 per default?
13:16	sth	AshishG: nope
13:16	AshishG	v-dogg: yes sir, that's the page i refered to also wasn't sure if it was /etc/apache2
13:16	sth	Or in extras/httpd-vhosts.conf
13:16	sth	or something similar
13:16	sth	it depends where the vhost is setup
13:17	AshishG	yes yes that's where i definied my virtual host
13:17	AshishG	i'll just add the line AllowOverride All
13:18	steffkes	for checking htaccess working at all .. just put an custom DirectoryIndex Line in htaccess .. it's easer then testing mod_rewrite ;o
13:19	sth	no, entering junk is easier
13:19	sth	it should give a 500 error
13:19	steffkes	yes, right too
13:20	v-dogg	heh
13:21	AshishG	i'm lost :'(
13:21	AshishG	and AllowOverride All didn't help
13:21	AshishG	oh wait
13:21	AshishG	apache restart
13:22	steffkes	nobody will be lost ;o
13:22	AshishG	AllowOverride not allowed here - and as the doc says only allowed in Directory sections
13:23	sth	Yes, sorry.
13:23	sth	I normally define my <Directory> inside of the <VirtualHost>
13:24	AshishG	i just have DocumentRoot and ServerName
13:24	AshishG	and ServerName doesn't seem to be workign
13:24	steffkes	add a <Directory> Block for the agavi vhost, you've added
13:24	steffkes	or just pastie your complete / related apache conf
13:25	sth	The <Directory block will be in the httpd conf if you haven't defined one
13:25	steffkes	<AshishG> Jarda: i've set up a virtual host ^^
13:26	AshishG	steffkes: i'll add something like this <Directory />
13:26	AshishG	AllowOverride None
13:26	AshishG	</Directory>
13:26	steffkes	there has to be at least one ;D
13:26	steffkes	AshishG, you have to use absolute pathnames in there
13:27	steffkes	like said, pastie your apache conf? we'll have a look on it
13:28	AshishG	on my way to do that
13:29	AshishG	http://pastebin.com/hHB29kSr
13:31	steffkes	okay, looks good .. apache starts without problems?
13:31	steffkes	and you're getting no 500-error, if you put trash in your .htaccess file?
13:31	steffkes	or do you?
13:31	AshishG	Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
13:31	sth	that's fine, you can ignore it
13:31	AshishG	i'll put trash
13:31	AshishG	haven't done that
13:31	sth	It's just a warning
13:32	AshishG	sth: thankfully for me :P
13:32	AshishG	i've added this line to the .htaccess in pub
13:32	AshishG	sfasgfsfgsdf
13:33	AshishG	Internal Server Error
13:33	AshishG	miss config apache
13:33	AshishG	yep, .htaccess works then?
13:34	steffkes	yes
13:34	AshishG	but i stil need the index.php in the url
13:34	AshishG	:(
13:34	v-dogg	pastebin .htaccess
13:35	v-dogg	what's the public path to your doc root? / ("http://localhost/";)?
13:35	AshishG	http://pastebin.com/gLFHznL8
13:35	AshishG	autogenerated
13:36	AshishG	public path? as in if i go to http://localhost/ the index.php loads without that being added in the url
13:36	steffkes	ah eh .. did you enable mod_rewrite as module?
13:36	steffkes	before we try to debugging non-existing problems? :D
13:36	steffkes	s/debugging/debug
13:36	AshishG	steffkes: hehe, i did not enable or disable that
13:36	steffkes	then go enabling it now .. it's not enabled per default iirc
13:37	sth	It's not
13:37	sth	LoadModule mod_rewrote modules/rewrite.so or something similar
13:37	steffkes	just thought on it, seeing the IfModule tag in the htaccess
13:38	AshishG	LoadModule rewrite_module modules/mod_rewrite.so
13:38	AshishG	in httpd-conf
13:38	sth	yeah, uncomment it
13:39	AshishG	no, it wasn't there, i'll just add it
13:39	steffkes	and restart the apache-thing afterwards
13:40	AshishG	cannot load says
13:40	AshishG	cannot open shared object file
13:40	sth	mm, you may not have it compiled in
13:40	AshishG	no such file direcoty
13:40	AshishG	i'll check the exact path
13:40	sth	Which linux distro are you using?
13:41	AshishG	ubuntu
13:41	AshishG	it's under /usr/lib/apache2/modules
13:42	AshishG	found it
13:43	AshishG	yes
13:43	AshishG	it's working
13:43	steffkes	:>
13:43	sth	:)
13:43	AshishG	steffkes and sth rock \m/
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14:30	AshishG	hey guys, i need to reboot, i'll be back soon :)
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14:42	ashishg	now i'm stuck with Agavi telling me it cannot find the view LoginInput for the module Auth but i very much have LoginInputView.class.php in views and LoginInput.php in template
14:44	Jarda	the directory should be called "view" not "views"
14:44	Jarda	and is there some reason not to use the command line helper?
14:45	ashishg	oops, typo, it is views
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14:46	ashishg	if i change the to the Success view that all works just fine
14:46	Jarda	show the code for LoginInputView.class.php
14:47	ashishg	http://pastebin.com/yBsrX25E
14:48	ashishg	found my silly error
14:49	Jarda	so is there some reaseon not to use the command line helper?
14:49	Jarda	it makes your life so much easier
14:49	ashishg	i think i should take a break and stop bothering you guys and myself, i'm making all the silliest errors i've made in my life
14:49	ashishg	command line helper?
14:50	Jarda	the "agavi" executable
14:50	ashishg	aah
14:50	ashishg	the script to generate files
14:50	Jarda	yup
14:50	ashishg	hehe, yes, i use that, dunno how did i mess this up
14:50	Jarda	ok
14:50	Jarda	good
14:50	ashishg	it's just that i've been working with this thing since the mornign
14:50	ashishg	without much break
14:50	ashishg	or walks
14:50	ashishg	or anything
14:51	ashishg	my first agavi day :)
14:51	ashishg	so i think i'm tired and that's why i'm making all these funny little annoyning errors
14:53	steffkes	perhaps i should follow you and start the first real agavi project *g
15:01	ashishg	hehe
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15:20	MikeSeth	http://telaviv.craigslist.org/rnr/1785256278.html
15:20	MikeSeth	O_O
15:32	sth	You have Craigslist in your backwards part of the world? :D
15:37	MikeSeth	actually i pasted this to the wrong window
15:37	MikeSeth	but apparently, we do
15:40	steffkes	what, more then one window opened at the same time? ô_O crazy
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15:45	MikeSeth	i have 17 as of this moment
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15:55	sth	I have 7
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20:57	_cheerios	still battling with orm to get tests running! then can start refactoring for final uphill release battle :)
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21:23	_cheerios	wth, phpunit started to die while running tests
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23:28	_cheerios	Tests: 26, Assertions: 36, Errors: 3. // woo, closing in on being far away from finished with running tests :)
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00:41	_cheerios	OK (24 tests, 36 assertions) // whee. faster when removing failing tests that don't work due bad OO-design anyhow :)
00:43	_cheerios	programming frameworks is tough shit :\|
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08:16	ashishg	good morning everyone
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09:56	MikeSeth	yarrrr
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10:49	AshishG	hey, need a quick reference, how do you check if use is authenticated
10:49	AshishG	after $this->getContext()->getUser()->setAuthenticated(true)
10:50	AshishG	getAuthenticated?
10:50	sth	$this->getContext()->getUser()->isAuthenticated()
10:50	steffkes	isAuthenticated()
10:50	steffkes	http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/step8/introduction.html
10:50	AshishG	aaaaah! :P thanks both of you :)
10:50	steffkes	block 4 from the top :o
10:51	AshishG	hehe :)
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11:37	AshishG	i'm loving agavi <3
11:38	steffkes	it's the second agavi day hm? :D
11:38	AshishG	hehe
11:38	AshishG	yes
11:38	AshishG	i've made user authentication
11:38	AshishG	and adding to a database
11:38	sth	Neat
11:39	AshishG	right now it is just
11:39	AshishG	login logout add
11:39	sth	I really need to go over the agavi guide again
11:39	sth	It needs to be fixed in a few places
11:40	AshishG	oh, m not following the guide
11:40	sth	Good :)
11:40	AshishG	hehe
11:40	AshishG	where are you guys from?
11:41	steffkes	Munich ^
11:41	sth	I'm from England, working for a company based Munich, on contract to a company in Cologne :)
11:41	AshishG	sth: i envy your accent
11:41	sth	My very generic English accent?
11:42	sth	I've dropped any local accent I had.
11:42	AshishG	sth: English accent sounds good
11:42	AshishG	oh ok, so now it isn't a RP?
11:42	sth	RP?
11:42	AshishG	recieved pronunciation
11:42	sth	My accent is now just a middle class English accent
11:43	AshishG	oh, ok. (http://www.antimoon.com/how/pronunc-american-british.htm)
11:43	AshishG	i was thinking of developing a RP but i don't know where to start
11:44	AshishG	steffkes: i always wanted to come to Germany
11:44	steffkes	you're welcome =)
11:44	AshishG	esp the autobahns :)
11:44	steffkes	:D
11:45	sth	North Germany is better :x
11:45	steffkes	what?
11:45	AshishG	any Germany would be better than here
11:46	sth	Where's 'here'?
11:46	AshishG	here is India -- for good or bad
11:47	AshishG	sth: don't worry, you are allowed to make any politically incorrect remarks, i wouldn't mind :P
11:49	sth	I'd like to go to India, I wouldn't want to live there but I'd visit :)
11:49	AshishG	sth: if you are a girl then wear loads of clothes although it'll be hot, you don't want the street public staring you to death
11:50	AshishG	and taxis are cheaper than what you would think, they'll try to charge you more that they deserve :P
11:50	AshishG	but yes, culture wise i guess you'll enjoy :)
11:52	sth	Rather ignorantly, British people see India as the type of country we could live in for a year on a months salary
11:53	AshishG	haha, that can be true actually
11:53	AshishG	quick question: how do i access the error message from the validatro
11:54	sth	$this->getContainer()->getValidationManager()->getErrorMessages() iirc
11:54	AshishG	you rock, is there a place where i can get what all can be access how real quick without bothering you guys
11:56	sth	the api docs, http://agavi.org/apidocs/
11:56	sth	It'll take a bit of digging though
11:57	AshishG	i guess, i tried using that but couldn't
11:57	AshishG	maybe it's too much for day two :)
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11:59	sth	I normally go to class tree and hope there's a class with a name I'm looking for
11:59	AshishG	hehe, i'll try that
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12:46	AshishG	luke`: welcome
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04:39		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
04:39		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
04:39		Irssi: #agavi: Total of 24 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 23 normal]
04:39		Home page for #agavi: http://agavi.org/
04:39		Channel #agavi created Sun Nov 26 07:43:22 2006
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08:49	AshishG	hello
08:49	AshishG	for validators, what is the class for numbers?
08:50	AshishG	got it, number
08:50	AshishG	was trying int :P
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09:25	graste	huomenta
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09:29	_cheerios	huomenta
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09:59	hzilla	yo has anyone done a ustream integration?
10:33	_cheerios	nope
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10:35	hzilla	well i'll let u know how it goes
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11:18	sth	Oh bai Hash.
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12:05	therocketmaster	# Appears as ANNA
12:05	therocketmaster	(#G7::E010M1) Hello.
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12:19	_cheerios	fug. cant remember my spotify password
12:42	AshishG	:D
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13:39	Jarda	humm
13:39	Jarda	if I have a validator that exports a model
13:40	Jarda	can inject the model in agaviactiontestcase somehow
13:40	Jarda	or do I have to run validation and after that inject the model somehow
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14:28	saracen	;/
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03:02		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
03:02		Irssi: #agavi: Total of 22 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 21 normal]
03:02		Home page for #agavi: http://agavi.org/
03:02		Channel #agavi created Sun Nov 26 07:43:22 2006
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03:23	JP_	hi
03:23	JP_	quick one
03:23	JP_	I'm working a bit with html 5
03:24	JP_	and the form population filter is having a bit of fun
03:24	JP_	Line 26: Tag section invalid
03:24	JP_	it seems he's having problems with hte "section" tag
03:24	JP_	any ideas on how to make the FPF html5 friendly ?
03:24	JP_	(I'm on 1.0.3 btw)
03:43	JP_	sounds like this might be a libxml problem :s
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10:25	Jarda	JP_: 1.0.3 should be html5 compatible
10:25	Jarda	but hmm.. if you get errors, then do not hesitate to open a ticket in trac
10:26	Jarda	because this html5 thingie is new and most likely not widely used
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15:54	JP_	Thanks Jarda-
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15:57	JP_	before opening a ticket, maybe I should ask again
15:57	JP_	anyone's working with HTML5 here ?
16:00	JP_	v-dogg: are you ?
16:03	Jarda	I can tell he's not (he's my boss) :)
16:04	JP_	:o
16:04	JP_	and I guess you're not using html5 either ?
16:07	Jarda	no
16:07	Jarda	(well, not yet atleast)
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07:56		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:09:56 2010]
07:56		Irssi: #agavi: Total of 21 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal]
07:56		Channel #agavi created Sun Nov 26 07:43:22 2006
07:56		Home page for #agavi: http://agavi.org/
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10:43	Jarda	tell me, why does validator class="number" error on "-1"
10:43	Jarda	error for="type" becomes visible
10:49	Jarda	any positive number is allowed
10:49	Jarda	all negative throws this error
10:54	Jarda	no, this can't be
10:54	Jarda	I'm var dumping in numbervalidator
10:55	Jarda	parsing string "-1" returns to bool(false) and $hasExtraChars = true
11:00	Jarda	yup
11:00	Jarda	it really is so..
11:00	Jarda	have to try to make a patch against sample app
11:10	Jarda	can't reproduce against sample app
11:10	Jarda	I hate this..
11:11	Jarda	clearing the cache doesn't work
11:15	Jarda	now for the ultimate solution: have to enable ADT ;)
11:15	Jarda	actually. Not
11:16	Jarda	if it already shows in var_dump that it's string ("-1");
11:16	Jarda	then there's not much for me to see in adt
11:18	v-dogg	where does the input come from?
11:18	v-dogg	could it be some UTF BOM messing the string up?
11:22	Jarda	well actually not
11:22	Jarda	it was a select with predefined options
11:22	Jarda	but I changed it to a text field and wrote "-1" to it and it still failed
11:22	Jarda	I changed the name of the input
11:23	Jarda	rewrote the validator..
11:23	Jarda	rm -rf libs/agavi && svn up
11:23	Jarda	it have to be something with the minus sign translating to something php doesn't understand
11:24	Jarda	hmm.. some lunch and then some more head banging
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11:56	v-dogg	do you have translation enabled?
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15:02	Jarda	v-dogg: actually I do
15:09	Jarda	oh yeah
15:09	Jarda	it was this swedish locale that fucked things up
15:09	Jarda	but why?
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17:08	Jarda	hmm, trying to figure out caching for my mainmenu widget
17:08	Jarda	no clue though how to accomplish
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13:04	AshishG	is almost dead trying to upload files with ->getFile
13:06	v-dogg	why?
13:06	v-dogg	(i) Make sure your form has enctype
13:06	v-dogg	(ii) validate
13:06	v-dogg	(iii) profit
13:06	v-dogg	i.e. use via $rd->getFile() :)
13:07	AshishG	oh
13:07	AshishG	i didn't know (i) was necessary :D
13:08	sth	of course it is.
13:11	AshishG	you do it so that there are no upload security loops right?
13:18	steffkes	AshishG, even in python it's necessary to do (i), or not? ;o
13:19	AshishG	hehe
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14:46	AshishG	muhahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahaha
14:46	J-P	what's so funny ?
14:47	sth	That was more of an evil laugh than a "I'm laughing at something"
14:47	Jarda	sth: where's wombs or xylakant?
14:48	Jarda	or, why is number validator throwing error on swedish locale when using "-1" as input
14:48	sth	Wombert is in .au
14:48	AshishG	yes yes
14:48	AshishG	it was evil
14:48	sth	Xylakant is just not connecting any more :x
14:49	AshishG	i now have a functioning portfolio managemnet system with tags and all
14:49	AshishG	took three days for learning Agavi and doing this - a lot of help from you guys
14:49	AshishG	thanks all
14:50	sth	yw
14:50	AshishG	who's Xylakant and wombs?
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14:55	sth	developers of agavi
14:55	sth	We all work for Bitextender (Wombert, Xylakant and I)
14:55	AshishG	of = the ppl who work ON agavi?
14:55	AshishG	ohhh
14:55	sth	yes.
14:55	AshishG	nice
14:56	AshishG	i <3 irc
14:56	sth	There's a couple of other people in here that work on it too
15:10	AshishG	what boxes do you guys use around here? are there any windows or mac users?
15:10	sth	The entire Bitextender team use macs
15:12	ttj	Fanbois.
15:13	AshishG	that's fab
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15:13	sth	ttj: diaf
15:13	sth	Go boot your windows laptop...
15:13	sth	I'll see you in a week :x
15:14	horros	I like my Win7 laptop.
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15:37	_cheerios	north korea shows first footie game on tv, gets crushed.
15:48	J-P	did anyone had a chance to look at this bug : http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1292
15:56	_cheerios	the solution to programming problems seems to often be "more objects"
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16:08	MikeSeth	XML is like violence...
16:17	horros	MikeSeth: Gives you an adrenaline rush and sometimes a bloodied nose?
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16:24	MikeSeth	if it doesn't solve the problem, you apply more until it does
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16:31	graste	J-P: did not try html5 with fpf yet - do some fpf options help (like ignore_parse_errors=true)?
16:32	J-P	graste: :-O I didnt know about fpf options, is there a list somewhere ?
16:33	J-P	(I'll sure give a try to ignore_parse_errors)
16:39	sth	J-P: there's a list of them on the agavi guide
16:41	J-P	The form will not be refilled and no error messages inserted but will be displayed to the user instead of throwing an exeception.
16:41	J-P	great for not throwing an exception, but pretty bad because it will just not work...
16:42	sth	A fair trade off.
16:42	sth	But we're using HTML5 in this project and FPF isn't moaning
16:42	J-P	:o
16:43	J-P	you mean, section, aside, nav and so on ?
16:44	sth	yup
16:44	sth	global_filters.xml
16:44	sth	<ae:parameter name="force_output_mode">xhtml</ae:parameter>
16:45	sth	<ae:parameter name="savexml_options">LIBXML_NOEMPTYTAG</ae:parameter>
16:45	J-P	I guess this is what I've been missing!
16:45	J-P	thnx sth
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17:03	sth	I really love the stupidity of O2DE
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21:18	J-P	what's the key sequence to "clean" reboot a crashed linux box ?
21:43	sth	it'll do it automatically
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03:03		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
03:03		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:09:56 2010]
03:03		Irssi: #agavi: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
03:03		Channel #agavi created Sun Nov 26 07:43:22 2006
03:03		Home page for #agavi: http://agavi.org/
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09:10	AshishG	good morn everyone
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10:16	AshishG	does anyone know doctrine, how do you access multi key records using ->find()?
10:17	steffkes	multi key records? what? :>
10:18	v-dogg	composite primary key?
10:18	steffkes	find multiple records with one find()?
10:18	steffkes	questions over questions *g
10:19	AshishG	yes
10:20	AshishG	yes to composite primary key
10:20	AshishG	sorry, had someone come over to the desk, hence the delay
10:20	MikeSeth	you can do something like findFooAndBar or something
10:21	steffkes	AshishG, doctrine 1.2.x or already 2.?
10:21	AshishG	i'm using 1.2.x
10:21	steffkes	then what MikeSeth said should do the job
10:22	steffkes	there are magic finders in doctrine
10:22	AshishG	magic finders?
10:22	steffkes	findFooAndBar( 'foo', 'bar' ) .. is internally converted to > WHERE foo = "foo" AND bar = "bar"
10:23	steffkes	sorry, "by" missing in the function name
10:23	steffkes	findByUsername( 'steffkes' ) goes to > WHERE username = "steffkes"
10:23	steffkes	things like that .. realized with the __call() method
10:24	steffkes	AshishG, http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.overloading.php#language.oop5.overloading.methods
10:25	AshishG	hmm... how long does it take for someone to come to be able to contribute something significant like you guys
10:26	steffkes	one week .. or two? ;D
10:26	AshishG	:D:D i wish
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10:31	Jarda	AgaviParseException: Form Population Filter could not parse the document due to the following error:
10:31	Jarda	[Fatal #68] Line 69: xmlParseEntityRef: no name
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10:31	Jarda	(this is from production log, I have no idea what this means)
10:32	Xylakant	empty tags that are not allowed to be empty spring to my mind
10:32	Xylakant	it should log the html output as well, have a look at line 69
10:32	Xylakant	probably you'll find an empty ul tag or something alike
10:34	steffkes	but AshishG it's like always .. a lot of knowledge comes from come to time .. reading other peoples articles, using open-source system - going through their code .. learning by reading & doing ;)
10:34	Jarda	Xylakant: hmm.. it works 99% of the time, so it has something to do with the elements we populate from the database
10:35	Jarda	v-dogg: do we log fpf errors?
10:35	Xylakant	well, like i said: an empty list
10:35	Jarda	Xylakant: and I actually had something to ask from you. Should "-1" as input to AgaviNumberValidator fail with swedish locale?
10:35	Jarda	it fails for type
10:36	Jarda	with $hasExtraChars = true
10:36	Xylakant	-1 fails for type?
10:36	Jarda	yup
10:36	Xylakant	well, how do you write negative numbers in swedish?
10:36	Jarda	with finnish and english locale it works, but with swedish it fails. Afaik with the normal minus sign
10:37	Xylakant	any swedes areound?
10:37	Jarda	horros: ping!
10:37	Jarda	he's almost swedish :)
10:37	horros	Jarda: ?
10:37	Jarda	horros: in swedish you write negative numbers like "-1", right?
10:37	Xylakant	^
10:38	Xylakant	\|
10:38	horros	Yes of course.
10:38	horros	Got to jet, be back in 15min or so
10:38	Jarda	hmm.. the sample app doesn't have swedish enabled
10:38	Jarda	let me try to enable it
10:42	Jarda	yup, it's reproducable with the sample app
10:43	Jarda	want me to open a ticket with patch against 1.0 HEAD?
10:43	Xylakant	yes, please do so
10:50	Jarda	god damn trac is slow
10:52	Jarda	Xylakant: https://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1293
10:54	sth	Morning
10:57	Jarda	someone care to try to reproduce?
10:58	Jarda	I know I can workaround this with something like <ae:parameter>no_locale</ae:parameter> for the validator
10:58	Jarda	but still I consider this as a bug
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11:43	AshishG	steffkes: hmm... how many years of experience do you guys have generally?
11:44	steffkes	AshishG, actually .. about ten, iirc
11:45	AshishG	:-o
11:45	steffkes	started with 16, alone at home ;D
11:45	AshishG	i mean, it would take me about 10 years from now for that
11:45	AshishG	hehe
11:45	steffkes	no, of course not :)
11:46	AshishG	we didn't have proper internet here in india back then
11:46	steffkes	my start was the typical guestbook ;D based on php4 .. *g
11:46	AshishG	hmm
11:46	AshishG	i always wondered what do oss developers do after they get a job
11:47	steffkes	you already have knowledge from your python-work .. even it's not php .. but it's programming. and sometimes you'll see differences .. but sometimes, it's almost the same
11:47	steffkes	i don't know :D
11:48	AshishG	steffkes: hmm, my python work started all alone
11:48	AshishG	and still goes on that way
11:49	AshishG	i wish ppl at my university knew/used it
11:49	AshishG	a mentoring hand is always good, someone to point out where you could have been better
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13:36	_cheerios	orm refactored, tests pass (OK (30 tests, 58 assertions)). i guess a break in place, then to add complex WHERE support (ands and ors and the like).
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15:45	Jarda	Propel <3
15:50	horros	http://www.kongregate.com/games/moly/gorillas-bas
15:50	horros	<3
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16:07	krycek_	Hi, why only the first route works:
16:07	krycek_	<route name=".list" pattern="^/list/(begin:\d+)-(end:\d+)$" action=".List" />
16:07	krycek_	<route name=".list" pattern="^/list/page/(page:\d+)$" action=".List" />
16:08	krycek_	putting the /list/page/... first make it work, but then the /list/(begin:\d+)... stop working
16:12	krycek_	hmm... cant I use the same name for different routes? these two are ".list"
16:12	ttj	If the routes are on the same level, I would imagine that having same names would cause problems.
16:12	ttj	If route foo.list would point to both.
16:13	ttj	But I would imagine that if that's the case, then the latter route would overrite the former.
16:13	ttj	s/overrite/overwrite/
16:15	krycek_	tkz
16:26	_cheerios	Jarda, propel 1.5 does look much better than previous propels syntax-wise
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23:09	_cheerios	finally got to php 5.3 LSB refactor for orm
23:10	_cheerios	only broke 5 tests...
23:12	_cheerios	wow, memory footprint went down by 50% with changes -- i'd be happy with passing tests tho. :)
23:16	_cheerios	25% slower though, oh well, the price you pay with php :)
23:18	graste	:o
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23:39	_cheerios	i'll bench vs doctrine2 + propel 1.5 in due time to see hopefully good results o_O
23:41	_cheerios	turned into a must-finish-my-open-source-contribution -project a long time ago. everything else that comes with this is a bonus :)
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06:10		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
06:10		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
06:10		Irssi: #agavi: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
06:10		Home page for #agavi: http://agavi.org/
06:10		Channel #agavi created Sun Nov 26 07:43:22 2006
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08:22	horros	ehehehahahah, first translation for you .fi challenged; the bloke says: "In homeopathy the qualities of the preparate are retained in the solution, because water can remember!"
08:22	horros	http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1135257621504.gif
08:22	horros	:D
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09:18	graste	huomenta
09:18	jurica	hi
09:18	jurica	what language is that?
09:18	Jarda	finnish
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09:20	graste	not that I know finnish though
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10:18	_cheerios	huomenta
10:31	sth	I know 2 Finnish words because of this channel, Huomenta and the other is Sauna, which everyone knew anyway
10:33	_cheerios	not bad :)
10:33	_cheerios	sweet, my team argentina is playing good.
10:35	sth	is playing well*
10:35	AshishG	horros: :D:D:D:D:D (a late reaction to the homeopathy remark)
10:36	sth	I liked the homeopathy overdose in London a few months back
10:36	AshishG	you like sweet sugar tiny balls things?
10:36	AshishG	i mum practices homeopathy (not professionally)
10:36	AshishG	s/i/mum
10:36	AshishG	s/mum/myu
10:37	sth	Oh, whilst I remember, did anyone in here try adding me as a friend on facebook yesterday?
10:37	AshishG	holy shit
10:37	AshishG	i am not correcting that typo
10:37	AshishG	i'm gonna go get a Dvorak keyboard
10:37	sth	No, you made it worse, it should have been: s/i//
10:38	AshishG	sth: hmm... point noted
10:38	AshishG	sth: i didn't not try adding you but i did ask you if it was you
10:40	AshishG	anyone uses Dvorak?
10:40	sth	Nope
10:45	_cheerios	nope
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10:57	AshishG	so no point in thinking about a shift?
11:02	jurica	why would u want to learn a new keyboard layout, i grew up with qwertz (yep i use german layout) and don't want to bother learning something new
11:03	horros	It's too bad them BAT-keyboards never gained popularity.
11:06	jurica	imho the worst thing about "non standard" layouts is, that you need to adapt to foreign layouts everytime you use someone elses hardware
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11:10	AshishG	jurica: hmm, that's always there
11:19	sth	ffs. Why can't people fill in tickets with EXACTLY what they want :x
11:19	_cheerios	learning both pc+mac layouts is painful enough :)
11:21	Jarda	sth: hmm?
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11:33	_cheerios	ack. objects are the salvation, conditionals are a sign of fail.
11:35	jurica	bah running eclipse in a windows 7 vm sucks!
11:35	Jarda	running eclipse sucks
11:35	jurica	Jarda: i don't have a choice
11:36	Jarda	god damn why must this be so hard.. having major difficulties with windows communication foundation (.NET 4.0)
11:36	Jarda	and I seem to be the only person on this planet with similar problems :D
11:36	Jarda	I'm almost ready to phone a microsoft professional about this
11:36	jurica	haha
11:38	sth	jurica: Why don't you have a choice?
11:39	jurica	i have to setup the dev enviroments for our cleversoft friends and they use eclipse
11:39	Jarda	omg, I have totally forgotten to merge between branches..
11:40	Jarda	monster merge on it's way..
11:41	Jarda	wtf, only two conflicts
11:41	jurica	what vcs do you use Ja?
11:41	Jarda	svn
11:41	jurica	*rda
11:46	jurica	i want more ram!
11:47	AshishG	i want a mac!
11:47	jurica	i could be mean now :p
11:48	AshishG	hehe, i've been playing around with a hackintosh
11:48	AshishG	but no wifi :(
11:48	jurica	i tried it after release but 1/3 of harware wasn't supported...
11:49	AshishG	Jarda: svn? i thought ppl hated that.
11:49	sth	jurica: Get david to order more
11:49	AshishG	jurica: hmm.. for me everything works but the webcam and wifi
11:49	jurica	sth: i should try that ;)
11:49	sth	He can't complain, he did it for the same reason on his mac
11:49	sth	He has 6GB now
11:49	jurica	sth: nice, but i want 8 :D
11:50	sth	That's like 5zillion EUR
11:50	sth	:D
11:50	AshishG	has only 1 GB
11:50	jurica	but'ill be 10zillion times as productive
11:51	jurica	AshishG: on what os?
11:51	AshishG	Win7 and 10.6.3 (hackintosh)
11:51	jurica	win7 with 1gb ram? oO
11:52	horros	:O
11:52	sth	wtf
11:52	horros	I've 4GB in mine.
11:52	Jarda	AshishG: well it works for me. I don't hate it.
11:52	sth	I can't even virtualise win7 it sucks up so much
11:52	Jarda	and I've never really got into git
11:53	Jarda	and I've tried!
11:53	Jarda	my Win7 machine has 4G of ram
11:53	jurica	git is great!
11:53	Jarda	(and 4 cores!)
11:53	AshishG	git vs mercurial?
11:53	horros	Jarda: Mine too.
11:53	Jarda	I've never tried mercurial
11:54	Jarda	I'm going to make v-dogg buy me 4G more when he gets back from his holiday :D
11:54	Jarda	I'm running constantly out
11:54	Jarda	well, it might have something to do with the fact netbeans eats all ram there is :D
11:54	horros	It doesn't for me.
11:55	horros	Then again, I actually close it every night.
11:55	Jarda	well. It usually crashes when it reaches 2G or something
11:55	jurica	you should check your java vm settings
11:56	Jarda	one day I was wondering why my comp is slow as hell. Firefox had 1,7G of ram in use and Netbeans 1,8G
11:56	Jarda	not much left for other applications :D
11:57	jurica	firefox's ram management really sucks
11:57	Jarda	and I never reboot or close applications if I don't have to
11:57	AshishG	Jarda: how about chrome?
11:57	Jarda	AshishG: chrome doesn't have firebug. Can't live without it
11:58	AshishG	Jarda: hehe, it has Firebug Lite and now the dev tools that come along with it are catching up real fast
11:58	Jarda	at home I use mac (Macbook Pro with 4G of ram). I use chrome +textmate on it. So I never have ram problems
11:58	Jarda	AshishG: yeah but ADT doesn't work with it
11:58	Jarda	it needs firephp
11:59	Jarda	http://adt.projectbin.org/
11:59	AshishG	is buying a Macbook really worth it? i've to spend wise before i have any money of my own (still a student)
11:59	Jarda	in case you wonder
11:59	AshishG	Jarda: i'll check that out
12:00	Jarda	well I wouldn't buy any other laptop anymore
12:00	jurica	AshishG: yep
12:01	AshishG	i mean hackintosh vs macbook
12:01	AshishG	how long do these last?
12:01	jurica	macbook: you take it out of the box and it works from the first minute on...
12:01	Jarda	my first macbook (the plastic white) lasted for something like 2 years. I bought it with 950 euros and sold it with 500 euros
12:02	Jarda	I have no idea about hackintosh. Never heard..
12:02	jurica	last week i sold a 3 year old white macbook with a broken battery for 370EUR
12:03	Jarda	at work I'm pretty much tied to windows, as almost half of my work is coding for the .NET framework
12:03	AshishG	no wait - 950 euro is cheaper than what it is here
12:03	jurica	AshishG: you said you're student?
12:03	Jarda	well 950 euros was the student price
12:04	Jarda	any uni student gets the discount
12:04	AshishG	jurica: yep, 3rd year for my UG, they have minimal discount here for studnets
12:04	jurica	the discounts here in germany are pretty nice for students
12:05	Jarda	I get actuallu the same discounts from our local dealer
12:05	AshishG	does germany have apple stores?
12:05	jurica	you can also check the refurb store
12:05	Jarda	we don
12:05	AshishG	i was just gonna ask about the refurb
12:05	Jarda	we don't have the official "Apple Store"s here
12:06	AshishG	that's good isn't here?
12:06	sth	There's like 2 in Germany
12:06	AshishG	nor do we
12:06	sth	Munich and Berlin
12:06	sth	In the UK, there's about 20
12:06	jurica	the macbook i sold was bought in the refurb store
12:06	AshishG	everything comes to the US first then to UK and then europe and then world?
12:07	sth	my bad. The German ones are in Hamburg, Frankfurt and Munich
12:07	Jarda	in Helsinki, there is this "Apple People Store"
12:07	Jarda	but they don't sell Apple People
12:07	Jarda	:(
12:07	AshishG	:D:D
12:07	jurica	but apples?
12:08	Jarda	actually it might have been Mac People Store
12:08	Jarda	I'm not completely sure
12:08	Jarda	oh yeah. it was Mac People Store
12:09	Jarda	but still they only sold computers :(
12:13	AshishG	anyway, have to go
12:13	AshishG	bbye
12:14	jurica	bye
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15:56	_cheerios	haircut after 5mo. woman told me i look like a band membe from Abba.
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15:58	bascht	_cheerios: before or after the haircut?
15:59	_cheerios	before :)
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17:35	_cheerios	more objects, 1700 lines of orm'ness.
17:35	_cheerios	all working. fed up with framework building :) needs joins + complex where's still to be "useful".
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17:49	_cheerios	lots of :: in syntax, php-penalty! eg. User::where(q::id__gt(1));, User::all();
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19:04	_cheerios	swype for touchscreen typing seems great on the intro videos
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04:05		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
04:05		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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04:51		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
04:51		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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08:41	_cheerios	huomenta!
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09:05	_cheerios	http://www.phparch.com/2010/04/22/four-new-php-5-3-components-and-goutte-a-simple-web-scraper/ good stuff
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11:21	_cheerios	i tried looking at php namespaces again, and turned around in disgust
11:21	_cheerios	when using namespaces php functions need to be prefixed with \ ? really, really -- wtf?
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11:27	AshishG	holy sh*t! the macbook pro 13 costs LESS in the US than normal macbook 13 here
11:28	_cheerios	i noticed tweets that iOS4 drops phonecalls and the new iPhone4 drops reception bars if you hold the phone in your hand :)
11:28	sth	yeah
11:28	sth	I looked at that
11:29	AshishG	nexus one :-~~
11:29	sth	I said at the time, it was retarded to have the radio antennason the outside like that
11:30	sth	"<apple_r+d> No one will touch two antennae at the same time..."
11:30	sth	I'll still get one, I planned on putting a case on the phone anyway
11:35	jurica	sth: don't spend your money on that you'll going go destroy it again!
11:36	macen	_cheerios: i know, they changed it from :
11:36	macen	fugly..
11:36	sth	jurica: My last iPhone was nearly 1 and a half years old when it broke
11:36	jurica	"nearly"
11:36	sth	It broke around Christmas time
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11:45	AshishG	no one likes the nexus here?
11:46	shrink0r	desire ftw
11:46	shrink0r	:)
11:46	jurica	sth: owns one ask him
11:47	sth	I hate it
11:48	AshishG	sth: why?
11:48	sth	It's going into the Rhein most likely
11:48	jurica	i don't like the desires purple like color
11:48	AshishG	the river? :D
11:48	sth	yes.
11:49	AshishG	what don't you like about it?
11:49	sth	Where do I start?
11:49	AshishG	with the software
11:50	sth	All of it is over engineered to the point, it only makes sense for Software Engineers to use it, but it forces you to concentrate on the phone rather than what's around you
11:50	AshishG	i got one from IO
11:51	sth	There's absolutely no design to anything
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11:51	sth	There's no consistancy between applications, so you end up learning 100 ways to something across all your apps
11:51	AshishG	it still as the apps grid like the iphone
11:51	AshishG	oh yeah, that's there
11:51	sth	I'm not talking about that
11:52	sth	But yes, the app selection is bad
11:52	AshishG	the only decent android apps are the ones done by google and the twitter app
11:52	sth	Forcing you to press a button to see your apps instead of a slide in either dirction
11:52	sth	Even the Google apps are bad
11:53	sth	The browser is really bad for usability
11:53	sth	Since you have to go through 10 menus to get to what you want
11:53	shrink0r	I quite pleased with desire
11:53	sth	The hardware on the nexus one is bad, the button strip is too close to the edge of the screen, the touch screen feels uncalibrated all the time.
11:54	AshishG	you can have your fav apps placed on your homescreen
11:54	sth	It's not the same
11:54	AshishG	you are pretty pissed with it :P
11:54	AshishG	i liked it though, never used an iPhone but i've a ipod touch
11:55	sth	The's no detection for idle touches like with the iPhone. So if you've placed a finger on the edge of the screen by accident, you block any other touches on the phone
11:55	sth	The nofication system is utter garbage
11:55	AshishG	they'll have push in 2.2
11:55	sth	So you end up with 20 icons in the top bar for no reason
11:56	sth	Froyo introduced a load of new issues
11:56	sth	the wifi sharing nukes the battery in an hour
11:56	AshishG	hehe, i was transfering a lot (A LOT) of files via bluetooth and that did happen to me
11:56	sth	Flash ruins the browser
11:56	sth	Flash should never be put on a mobile device
11:57	AshishG	is wondering if Steve Jobs can hack into ppl's accounts
11:57	AshishG	and is jealous because he hasn't been lucky to have 2.2 yet - no flash in 2.1
11:58	jurica	i wish the ipad had flash support just vor paperc.de
11:58	sth	Froyo makes my phone run hot.
11:58	sth	jurica: I have an iPad and a site to find nearly every book for "free"
11:59	jurica	tell me the site!
11:59	sth	invite only :)
11:59	AshishG	:(
11:59	jurica	invite me!
11:59	jurica	^^
12:00	AshishG	me too :P
12:00	sth	I have one invite left.
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12:01	sth	jurica: I'll invite you, but you'll have to promise to invite David if he wants in.
12:01	jurica	deal!
12:01	sth	Got a non-BX email?
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14:35	krycek_	is there any way to get the referrer url (the url the current request came from)? I want to redirect the user to where he was before executing a action.
14:36	krycek_	it is different from the action login because you call an action and it forwards to the login action, what I want is to execute an action and returns to the previous url
14:41	MikeSeth	no, but you can preserve it beforehand
14:41	MikeSeth	oh actually
14:41	MikeSeth	if its within the same request
14:41	MikeSeth	you can just do $ro->gen(null)
14:42	MikeSeth	if you meant the http referer, then no, you have to save it
14:42	sth	You can't rely on the http referer
14:44	krycek_	I'm passing the referer as a param to the request (using $ro->gen(null))... it works, but I thought that maybe there was a better way
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14:57	Jarda	do you mean when user tries to open a secure action and agavi shows the login page?
14:58	Jarda	if you mean, then look at the sample app
14:59	Jarda	http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/modules/Default/views/LoginInputView.class.php
14:59	Jarda	and
14:59	Jarda	http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/modules/Default/views/LoginSuccessView.class.php
15:00	Jarda	oh, you already kinda did say this is not the case.. :D
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15:01	macen	lols
15:07	AshishG	going home
15:07	AshishG	bbye
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20:16	Jarda	hey you mac folk
20:17	Jarda	anyone know an easy way to install memcached + enable it for the php
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20:21	Jarda	damn
20:21	Jarda	ports..
20:21	Jarda	I hate ports
20:23	Jarda	wouldn't want to have that installed again..
20:34	sth	brew
20:34	sth	use brew
20:44	Jarda	I can't
20:44	Jarda	it won't install
20:47	Jarda	share/man/man1/brew.1: Can't create 'share/man/man1/brew.1': Permission denied
20:47	Jarda	tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors.
20:47	Jarda	Failed during: /usr/bin/curl -sSfL http://github.com/mxcl/homebrew/tarball/master \| /usr/bin/tar xz -m --strip 1
20:55	sth	Read the docs...
20:59	Jarda	I run the script as adviced
21:00	Jarda	well, not going to dig into this today
21:00	Jarda	might even install a debian virtual machine
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03:17		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:09:56 2010]
03:17		Irssi: #agavi: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
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07:56	AshishG	morning
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12:23	AshishG	someone who's been around IRC more: what do we use ^^ (double against single ^) to indicate something mentioned above?
12:27	Jarda	I've seen ^^
12:36	AshishG	yep, ^^ is the norm rigth? why not ^?
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13:10	jurica	how do i escape whitespaces in windows *.bat files?
13:11	sth	mmm
13:11	sth	You either wrap it in quotes or use shortnames
13:12	jurica	SET PHP_EXECUTABLE="C:\Program Files\PHP\php.exe"
13:12	jurica	doesn't work
13:12	jurica	stupid windows
13:13	sth	C:\Progra~1
13:14	jurica	tanks
13:15	jurica	+h
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13:52	AshishG	jurica: or you could go set up environment variables via the gui which will make sure everything goes right
13:52	jurica	you mean add the php path to the path variable?
13:52	AshishG	jurica: try xampp (and install at C:\
13:53	jurica	no xampp possible need to use iis7 with mssql :/
13:53	AshishG	http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310519
13:53	AshishG	that's evnironment variables :)
13:53	AshishG	then you can use "php" from anywhere without doing anything
13:54	jurica	i know what enviroment variables are ;)
13:54	sth	heh
13:54	AshishG	hehe, yeah
13:54	AshishG	sorry didn't read your comment
13:54	jurica	no problem
13:54	AshishG	yes to the path
13:54	jurica	but i like the idea ;)
13:55	sth	We don't let jurica out of the Bitextender office. We make sure he's chained to a computer at all times.
13:55	AshishG	:D but why's that?
13:55	AshishG	:P
13:56	jurica	they need someone doing the real work... unfortunatelly it's allways me ;)
13:57	jurica	but it somehow bothers me, that "agavi.bat -l" doesn't produce any output oO
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13:59	saracen	sth: Secretly add KILLDASHNEIN to the agavi cli to clear a projects cache for me
13:59	sth	I'm so adding that as an alias to clear the cache
13:59	jurica	did i ever mention that i hate windows?
14:00	saracen	sth: ty :D
14:00	sth	yes
14:01	sth	I'll add in the changelog as done by the Stig
14:01	saracen	:D
14:03	sth	I wonder if I can slip that in without David noticing
14:16	Xylakant	sth: david's on the beach according to the last twitter messages
14:17	Xylakant	and he hasn't been writing for a day. maybe he's cut off.
14:17	Xylakant	so if you want to do it, do it now.
14:17	jurica	anyone running agavi on iis7 here? and installed php with the web platform installer?
14:20	sth	Xylakant: He's comes online during the mornings.
14:20	sth	jurica: David has :x
14:20	jurica	david isn't here!
14:22	sth	Xylakant: Is all your stuff in Cologne now?
14:23	Xylakant	well, no
14:23	Xylakant	furniture and stuff is stashed in a container that's located somewhere in germany
14:24	sth	mm, I was going to ask if I could borrow your airbed but I guess thats in storage
14:24	Xylakant	no, it isn't
14:24	Xylakant	when do you need it?
14:25	sth	Late July.
14:25	Xylakant	it's at my parents place but i'll be home during the weekend. I'll have to look where i placed it though.
14:25	saracen	When people mention airbeds, I always think about people pretending to sleep on an invisible bed. Kinda like an air guitar.
14:25	sth	lol
14:25	jurica	haha
14:25	Xylakant	right, i'll try and bring it along on tuesday
14:26	saracen	Xylakant: Bring along nothing, claiming it was once slept on by Bon Jovi
14:26	sth	Xylakant: thanks. I have friend coming from Amsterdam for a couple of nights ~20th
14:26	Xylakant	i'll be in berlin from the 24th, so you'll have to keep it until end of august then
14:27	sth	That's fine
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22:38	movvy	Warning: date(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are required to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected 'UTC' for 'UTC/0.0/no DST' instead in /var/www/portal.seamless-soft.com/OperationPortal/opt/agavi/src/logging/AgaviRotat
22:50	saracen	http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Warning:+date():+It+is+not+safe+to+rely+on+the+system's+timezone+settings.&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
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23:11	movvy	ick
23:11	movvy	pdo won't compile either now
23:11	movvy	wth
23:12	movvy	but indeed that fixed that issue thanks
23:12	sth	sets fire to saracen
23:21	saracen	sth: fu
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03:02		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
03:02		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
03:02		Irssi: #agavi: Total of 19 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
03:02		Home page for #agavi: http://agavi.org/
03:02		Channel #agavi created Sun Nov 26 07:43:22 2006
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04:18		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
04:18		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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04:18		Home page for #agavi: http://agavi.org/
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18:13	hzilla	no
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06:54	simoncpu	huomenta dude
06:55	simoncpu	huomenta keikarre
06:56	simoncpu	wonders if it's grammatically correct
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07:38	Jarda	it is
07:40	simoncpu	awesome
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09:20	_cheerios	huomenta
09:21	graste	huomenta
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09:22	AshishG	good afternoon all
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09:24	_cheerios	played m?lkky (http://molkkyusa.com/) over juhannus. buying it today. nice outdoor game.
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09:34	Jarda	_cheerios: it
09:34	Jarda	it's a nice game with friends or family
09:34	Jarda	even kids can enjoy it
09:35	Jarda	and you can have handicaps etc
09:48	AshishG	$this->getContext()->getModel('Model', 'Module', array(parameteres)) should work, right?
09:49	AshishG	says the __construct() must be an array and string given
09:50	AshishG	array($string1, $string2) is passed i thought
09:57	AshishG	"must be an array, string given"
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10:11	Jarda	->getModel doesn't pass the parameters to __construct
10:11	Jarda	it passes them to initialize()
10:12	Jarda	public function initialize(AgaviContext $ctx, array $parameters = array()) { parent::initialize($ctx, $parameters); //and here comes your "construct" initialization }
10:12	AshishG	aah!
10:13	Jarda	remember to call parent::initialize
10:18	AshishG	i'm still lost
10:18	AshishG	We could go the long route with including the class file, creating a new instance with new Posts_PostModel and then calling the required initialize() method. However, there is an easier way. Any object with access to the AgaviContext (which is pretty much every object in the framework) can just call $ctx->getModel(<modelname>, <modulename>, <optional parameters>) to create a fully initialized instance of the given model.
10:19	AshishG	so all i do is $ctx->... and then the parameteres would be passed to initialize
10:19	AshishG	and there doesn't need to be any __contstruct?
10:19	Jarda	yup. No construct at all.
10:20	Jarda	php classes don't need to have a construct
10:20	AshishG	hmm, changing stuff
10:24	AshishG	WORKS
10:24	AshishG	THANKS
10:24	AshishG	whoops for the caps
10:24	Jarda	no problem
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10:41	sth	Awesome, Top Gear in HD :D
10:41	sth	[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~
10:41	sth	[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[5~[6~
10:41	sth	eek.
10:41	sth	I hate laggy SSH connections :x
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10:48	horros	Ooh, I actually wondered a few days ago when Top Gear will be back on the air.
10:48	sth	I can't remember if it was in HD last season or note
10:48	sth	-e
10:49	horros	It was.
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10:52	sth	Me?!
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10:57	Simon__	hi. I am having some trouble with some validation. I have ADT/FirePHP/Bug setup and I can see the post variable (an array of items) arrive into the Agavi system but post validation they are no longer available. It does not trigger an error from Agavi validation. So I am confused. I have put copy of the validator here http://pastie.org/1021541
10:57	Simon__	any ideas?
11:19	Jarda	Simon__: no failed validators?
11:20	Simon__	thats right no failures
11:21	sth	Do you have an execute[Read\|Write] in the action?
11:22	Simon__	yes i have an executeRead
11:22	Simon__	the search is done via get request and works fine apart from this one var not making it through
11:23	Simon__	here is a screen shot of what ADT is telling me http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/930/agaviadt.png
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11:26	AshishG	sth: top gear's out
11:26	AshishG	how's clarkson
11:27	AshishG	+?
11:27	AshishG	+?
11:27	Jarda	Simon__: have you tried with removing the "keyword_set" from depends
11:27	Simon__	i will try now
11:28	Jarda	I mewan fro the <validator class="inarray" name="check_value_true_or_false" depends="look_contains_items keyword_set">
11:28	Simon__	no difference unfortunately
11:28	Simon__	oh will try that one
11:29	Simon__	nope, but i see what you mean that depend is redundant
11:29	Jarda	hmm
11:29	Jarda	I don't get it
11:29	Jarda	it looks just the same as your other iarray -validator
11:30	Simon__	yeah, sure is baffling.
11:30	Jarda	oh, now I get it
11:30	Jarda	they have the same name
11:30	Jarda	so the latter overwrites the first
11:30	Jarda	almost certain that's the case
11:31	Jarda	check_value_true_or_false
11:31	Jarda	change the name of one of those
11:31	Simon__	thanks Jarda that is the case
11:31	Jarda	no problem
11:32	Simon__	good catch. Explains why it only recently stopped working. Added the filter and copied and pasted forgetting about the name attribute. Cheers
11:32	Jarda	well that's the thing. I started to look that they truly are identical :D
11:33	Jarda	and remembered how the compiled php looks. (it's iirc an array like validatorname => array(...))
11:35	Simon__	Ah I see. Duplicate array keys wiped each other out. Thanks for the explaination
11:39	Jarda	no problems
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12:23	macen	any football fans? ze germans knocked us out :/
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12:25	graste	and it was rather easy :x
12:25	graste	wonders what would've happend if it was 2:2
12:25	graste	+e
12:26	_cheerios	didn't notice how awesome it is with google results returning results by querying for it
12:26	_cheerios	england played rather bad...
12:27	_cheerios	lol, querying "world cup" that is
12:30	_cheerios	after 4 days at a cottage it felt so wierd being in the city as it was so noisy :)
12:32	AshishG	haha
12:32	AshishG	come to india and you'll die of noise pollution
12:33	AshishG	or ear rape
12:33	AshishG	ppl here blow their horns as if it is as necessary as the accelerator
12:33	Jarda	http://asset.soup.io/asset/0894/0762_09df_960.png
12:34	AshishG	:D:D:D:D
12:36	_cheerios	love the nudity during midsummer <3 female (&male!) hotness. 15 peeps enjoying sauna & swimming.
12:36	_cheerios	:)
12:36	AshishG	is still laughing
12:39	AshishG	Jarda: where did you find that? reader?
12:39	Jarda	from some random irc channel
12:41	Jarda	I'm loving my new desk in the office
12:41	Jarda	I can change the height of the desk by pressing buttons (works with electricity)
12:42	Jarda	I'm doing almost all my work standing up nowadays
12:42	AshishG	:D:D
12:42	AshishG	why why why! why am i still a student
12:42	AshishG	:P
12:48	_cheerios	Jarda, coworker has such a desk, he's leaving leaving the desk... hmm :D
12:48	_cheerios	I'd want that to go with a Salli -chair, though
12:49	Jarda	I'm using v-dogg's Salli when he's on vacation
12:49	Jarda	well actually I tried it and didn't like it
12:49	Jarda	I prefere standing
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12:50	_cheerios	is it the one with the gap for the balls?
12:50	Jarda	yup
12:55	AshishG	hmmm
12:55	AshishG	let's all make the student jealous, eh? :P
12:55	AshishG	where do i apply for a job? ;)
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14:01	Jarda	http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/vuvuzela_hits.jpg
14:05	jurica	cool where can i get it?
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14:12	AshishG	arrhh!! i can't get doctrine to update a record
14:13	digitarald	->forceUpdate()
14:14	AshishG	oh!
14:14	AshishG	refresh() doesn't work?
14:16	AshishG	save, refresh, forceUpdate, everything is an undefined method apparently :S
14:17	AshishG	nobody on #doctrine says anything ever :(
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14:19	_cheerios	wtf you need so many methods to do the same thing?! :D
14:21	AshishG	technically only refresh should be used
14:21	AshishG	and it should work
14:21	AshishG	but doesn't seem to
14:21	AshishG	:S
14:21	AshishG	:'(
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14:22	_cheerios	doctrine -- making simple complex since many years ago :)
14:23	jurica	lol
14:26	AshishG	:D:D
14:26	AshishG	now someone is helping :)
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14:49	krycek_	can I "redirect" a route to another one? for example, I want the "news.index" route to redirect to "news.list.page". I know I can do that creating a action and such, but in the routing.xml, can I do that?
14:50	sth	mimic the pattern and then set the same module and action maybe
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14:50	Jarda	routing callback might be possible
14:50	Jarda	sth: yeah but I guess he wants a http redirect
14:51	sth	callback then
14:51	Jarda	$response = new AgaviWebResponse()... $response->setRedirect($url); ... return $response;
14:51	Jarda	in onMatched()
14:51	AshishG	bbye everyone
14:51	Jarda	seomthing like that
14:51	AshishG	Jarda: thanks for the illusions link ;)
14:52	Jarda	AshishG: no problems :)
14:52	AshishG	sth: thanks for reminding me Top Gear was out. I'll watch as soon as i get home. burned a disc already. bye
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14:54	Jarda	http://twitter.com/judofyr/statuses/17244003505
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14:58	graste	o_O
15:03	horros	:D
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15:17	sth	wtf
15:17	ttj	Huh?
15:17	sth	14:55 < Jarda> http://twitter.com/judofyr/statuses/17244003505
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15:28	simoncpu	awesoooooome!
15:31	simoncpu	i'm confused
15:31	simoncpu	U+1F4A9 seems to be an optical disk???
15:32	simoncpu	ah, it was moved
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16:01	krycek_	Jarda, sth, thanks for the tip (callback)
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16:12	jurica	argh wheres the option in colloquy that the timestamp apears on the left side?
16:17	macen	Fiat style has it on the left
16:21	jurica	hmm do i have to restart in order to switch themes?
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16:27	macen	jurica: when you create a variant of the theme by clicking on Customize Style, you get a .css style sheet in ~/Library/Application\ Support/Colloquy
16:27	macen	put .timestamp {float:left;} in whatever custom theme style sheet you make
16:27	jurica	ah cool thanks!
16:28	macen	ya that's what i thought
16:29	macen	.timestamp {float:left;margin-right:3px;line-height:14px;} for the "standard" one ...although lines with smilies are by nature bigger so not sure about a truly central line-height method...
16:29	macen	as it doesn't appear to support line-height:100%;
16:32	jurica	works, nice
16:32	jurica	thanks again!
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19:54		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
19:54		Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
19:54		Irssi: #agavi: Total of 26 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 25 normal]
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21:20	AshishG	2:0
21:20	AshishG	anyone watching? :P
21:23	AshishG	Jarda? sth? v-dogg?
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21:25	graste	:P
21:25	AshishG	aah! fav team graste?
21:25	graste	3:0 was my bet <:
21:26	graste	fav team is germany :P
21:26	AshishG	hehe, awesome match yesterday :P
21:26	graste	indeed
21:26	AshishG	day before for me technically :)
21:28	AshishG	something i read, "My mate asked me if I saw the England goal.
21:28	AshishG	Unfortunately I missed it, I was too busy refereeing the match."
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21:33	graste	:o)
21:39	Jarda	HP should never make software
21:40	Jarda	I installed the software for my USB scanner on my mac
21:40	Jarda	now every time I unplug the scanner some process takes 100% cpu fro both cores
21:40	Jarda	too bad I'm using a laptop..
21:40	Jarda	now I only need to carry the usb scanner always with me :D
21:43	graste	<:
21:46	jurica	wow! what a goal...
21:46	horros	ahahah
21:46	horros	http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/06/28/how-do-you-hold-your-nokia/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+NokiaConversations-Posts+%28Nokia+Conversations+-+Posts%29
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21:55	AshishG	graste your bet
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22:49	Jarda	what. the. fuck.
22:49	Jarda	is memory this expensive again.
22:49	Jarda	8G for my macbook pro costs 367,9 fucking euros
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22:51	Rayne	Jarda, incl. apple taxes?
22:52	Jarda	nono
22:53	Jarda	plain kingston from a dealer
22:53	Jarda	it seems to be that expensive
22:54	Rayne	meh.
22:55	Jarda	I was thinking of buing 8G to my own macbook pro and give the 4G to my wife, who only has 2G on her macbook
22:55	Jarda	but 370 euros is quite much
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07:29	AshishG	anyone uses irssi? is there a magical way to scroll up? :P
07:29	Jarda	page up / page down
07:30	AshishG	aah!
07:31	AshishG	like "magic" :D
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10:46	AshishG	http://www.bitextender.com/team.html
10:48	_cheerios	almost noon and just managed to browse the web so far and finish a cup of coffee...
10:49	AshishG	yes yes, that happens
10:55	AshishG	ohh! you guys also provide training for agavi
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11:00	AshishG	sth: someone stole your photo from the site!
11:04	jurica	oh no we tried to take pictures of him... but no camera survived his face... :p
11:05	AshishG	:D:D
11:05	AshishG	get someone to sketch it ;)
11:05	jurica	do you want to try it?
11:05	simoncpu	stolen pic:
11:05	simoncpu	http://i37.tinypic.com/xfbz3o.jpg
11:05	jurica	haha
11:06	simoncpu	gee, i wonder who that is
11:06	simoncpu	hahahah
11:06	AshishG	hahaha!
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11:13	sth	jurica: die...
11:13	sth	The short answer is, there are no pictures on this planet of me in a suit
11:13	AshishG	hehe, i was wondering why hackers were in suits on that page
11:13	jurica	because the boss wants it?
11:14	sth	I detest formality to no end
11:14	AshishG	thou art great
11:14	AshishG	frankly i like suits
11:14	AshishG	somehow
11:14	AshishG	feels imp :P
11:15	sth	I have no where my suit is
11:15	sth	no idea*
11:15	sth	I know it's not in Germany, so that's a start
11:15	AshishG	:D:D
11:15	AshishG	what was it? armani?
11:16	sth	No
11:16	AshishG	hehe
11:16	sth	Hugo Boss.
11:16	AshishG	wonders what's so different about them that they cost so much
11:16	AshishG	the armanis
11:16	sth	I think I'll just have to buy another suit when needed
11:17	sth	The only problem them is, I need have them fitted
11:18	AshishG	i got my only suit that i have tailored
11:18	sth	Even then, I don't wear them correctly, I wear chuck taylors or something to take away the formality
11:19	AshishG	converse?
11:20	sth	yup
11:20	AshishG	that would look funny! :P no offence
11:20	sth	It can be done
11:20	AshishG	could find his size
11:20	AshishG	couldn't*
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11:22	sth	what size do you need?
11:24	AshishG	11.5
11:24	AshishG	that fits best
11:25	sth	Is that it? They're common.
11:26	AshishG	that i think was the problem. that range 11-12 was outta stock
11:26	AshishG	too common to be there :P
11:26	AshishG	+left
11:26	horros	People who use sneakers or a baseball cap with a suit needs to be taken outside, put against the wall and shot.
11:27	AshishG	did anyone try http://www.facebook.com/product_application/
11:28	sth	diaf horros
11:28	AshishG	what happened? did anyone hear back?
11:28	AshishG	how long does it take? they email?
11:29	sth	horros: you're a Finn, you point doesn't count.
11:29	AshishG	:-o
11:32	horros	sth: People who wear sneakers with suits are the kind of type that goes "Oooh, look at me, I'm a non-conformist and a bit of a hipster and I wear sneakers with a suit because I rebel against common sense what to wear at formal occasions and I'm also slighly dangerous and a bit of "wooooo" because I don't care".
11:32	horros	Thus, need to be shot.
11:32	sth	Well, you can find me in Cologne then.
11:32	horros	Not to mention it looks completely idiotic.
11:33	sth	Depends on the trainers
11:33	horros	No, it does not depend on the trainers.
11:33	horros	It looks idiotic.
11:33	simoncpu	a non-conformist can still wear a "proper suit"-- with wild necktie print!
11:33	simoncpu	w00h000
11:34	horros	simoncpu: Or a black turtle neck.
11:34	simoncpu	Apple sucks
11:35	simoncpu	Apple is gay
11:35	simoncpu	hahahahahaha
11:35	simoncpu	Apple users are gay!
11:35	simoncpu	hahahahahahaha
11:35	jurica	simoncpu: you suck!
11:35	simoncpu	lol
11:36	sth	simoncpu: you're an idiot
11:36	simoncpu	simon: you're an idiot
11:36	simoncpu	hahahahahahaha
11:38	Jarda	sth / jurica, how much does RAM cost in GER atm? I was buying 8G for my MBP, but it costs something like 370 euros here..
11:38	simoncpu	hides his apple toys to cover up his mac fanboyism
11:38	Jarda	can't afford that much atm..
11:38	sth	No idea.
11:38	jurica	wait a moment ill check it
11:38	sth	David bought 4GB for 200EUR iirc
11:38	sth	(in one stick)
11:39	Jarda	I have 2x2G atm
11:39	Jarda	of course I could replace only one of them
12:00	AshishG	you could donate one to a poor chap in a poor country
12:00	AshishG	<--
12:00	AshishG	;)
12:01	AshishG	anyway, i think i'll be leaving early today. actually now. will come online from home if i don't out, bbye everyone.
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12:15	Jarda	ok, so this most likely says this is a unused boxed set of 2x4G of ram that should fit my macbook pro, right? http://cgi.ebay.de/Top-8GB-2x-4GB-DDR3-SoDimm-Ram-Speicher-1066-1066Mhz-/170498051729
12:19	jurica	yep, totally new in original box etc...
12:20	Jarda	ok
12:20	Jarda	not bad price
12:20	Jarda	my german (or germany?) is a bit rusty
12:20	Jarda	or what the heck is the language called in english
12:20	jurica	german ;)
12:21	Jarda	I have managed to live one summer near Hamburg speaking almost only german
12:21	Jarda	but it was something like 5-6 years ago
12:22	jurica	its hard to keep a language in mind you dont speak regularly... at least for me
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14:18	jurica	how can i get a template in a view?
14:19	Jarda	what do you mean?
14:20	jurica	i need to print out some xml filled with values from the database and i want to have a seperate template for the xml
14:21	Xylakant	$this-->getLayer('<layername>')->setTemplate('path/to/file')
14:21	Xylakant	but you really should not use templates to produce xml
14:21	jurica	what would be the way to do it right?
14:22	Xylakant	DOM or XMLBuilder or anything like that is the proper choice
14:22	Jarda	I would construct it with Dom or simplexml and then just return $xml->toXml(); from the view
14:22	jurica	ok i keep that in mind for the next time, but for now the code is already there and i'm just "porting" it into an agavi app
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14:44	sth	gasp
14:45	sth	Using agavi incorrectly :x
14:45	sth	Mind you, I do it all the time, but that's because I've not created the docs for it...
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15:30	saracen	14:29:45 < Xylakant> $this-->getLayer('<layername>')->setTemplate('path/to/file')
15:30	saracen	14:29:57 < Xylakant> but you really should not use templates to produce xml
15:30	saracen	14:30:19 < jurica> what would be the way to do it right?
15:31	saracen	rewrites all his xhtml to use XMLBuilder
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18:09	digitarald	Huomenta
18:09	digitarald	whats new about agavi, any news?
18:11	nfq	[~nfq@dyn.144-85-159-160.dsl.vtx.ch] has quit [Quit: nfq]
18:15	digitarald	uh, 1.0 is out since 16 months
18:15	digitarald	time goes by
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18:43	bascht	digitarald: me - hanging around in #agavi. breaking news, I guess. :)
18:44	digitarald	bascht: not a news, I know you love it ;)
18:44	digitarald	did you already add a YAML config parser? ;)
18:47	digitarald	went into Android Java coding for some time ... nice to be back to my ugly PHP
18:48	bascht	digitarald: not yet. but I was close to going postal a few times, when debugging something between fpf and the agavi validation system...
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19:30	_cheerios	anyone tried mysql 5.5 yet?
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21:52	skade	i am totally happy that he didn't - i would be one of his first targets...
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09:42	__cheerios	huomenta
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11:01	Yossi_B	Huomenta
11:02	Yossi_B	Can I change a config parameter in global_filers.xml on the fly?
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11:09	sth	Probably
11:16	__cheerios	Maybe
11:16	__cheerios	No
11:16	__cheerios	Yes
11:28	Xylakant	Yossi_B: what do you mean by 'on the fly'?
11:29	Yossi_B	lol
11:29	Yossi_B	I mean, in an action... like AgaviConfig::set()... well anyway, I just moved it to settings.xml so it's all good. was just wondering
11:30	Xylakant	well, in theory you can but things may not work as you'd expect
11:31	Xylakant	the filterchain is set up before the action runs, so you might not be able to change the parameter before it's actually used
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12:22	__cheerios	haha http://twitter.com/teppo/status/17402282150
12:24	ttj	http://jobs.apple.com/index.ajs?BID=1&method=mExternal.showJob&RID=55854&CurrentPage=2
12:25	__cheerios	g
12:25	jurica	haha
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12:53	__cheerios	http://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2010/eu-rushing-to-get-acta-agreed
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13:05	MikeSeth	we are fucked
13:08	saracen	I didn't feel anything
13:24	__cheerios	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement#Provisions_on_Internet_and_information_technology
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13:36	sth	tbf, the ACTA won't effect personal piracy
13:37	sth	Because you're not counterfeiting
13:37	saracen	If you're Frank, can I be Shirley?
13:37	sth	No
13:38	sth	Also, you're only counterfeiting if you plan to see it.
13:38	sth	the only grey area I can see with it would be CAM/Telesync/screeners of movies
13:41	saracen	"ACTA would also require that existing ISP no longer host free software that can access copyrighted media; this would substantially affect many sites that offer free software or host software projects such as SourceForge."
13:42	sth	"No more firefox downloads"
13:43	saracen	Exactly what I thought. How horribly vague, does this mean we all have to use IE
13:43	sth	That's a lawset that no one will take any notice of
13:43	saracen	Maybe we should start early, and clone sourceforge, but make each download cost ?0.01 so it's above board
13:43	sth	heh
13:43	sth	github will have to be killed off too
13:43	saracen	I wonder if almostlegal.com is available :D
13:44	saracen	The porn industry always prevents me from registering domain names I want :(
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13:46	sth	heh
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17:24	sth	jurica: on that note, I use dropbox to put books on my ipad
17:25	sth	(I don't want to flood #couchdb)
17:25	jurica	i use itunes and ibooks
17:25	sth	I use dropbox and iBooks
17:25	jurica	i dont want to register a dropbox acc
17:26	sth	You put the PDFs/ePub files in your dropbox folder and then you can use the iPad app to transfer to iBooks
17:26	jurica	i'm fine with having them in itunes
17:26	sth	iTunes requires wires :x
17:26	sth	which I detest
17:27	jurica	i dont care since i sync once a day
17:27	sth	Other than the restore I had to do to get 3G working again and the activation process, I've not connected mine to iTunes once
17:28	jurica	i just have the wifi one and i connect it regularly to my mbp since i charge it there
17:29	sth	The 3G is pretty cool whilst I'm on the Cologne death traps (trams) in the morning
17:29	sth	so I can read RSS feeds using Reeder
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17:30	jurica	i dont want to pay another data plan besides the one for my iphone
17:31	jurica	and i bought the ipad mainly for reading books and home usage, so 3g wasnt worth it for me
17:31	sth	I'm considering dropping the data plan on my phone
17:31	sth	I don't use it now :x
17:32	jurica	i can't to this before end 2011...
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17:36	jurica	and i need it anyway cause i have no other phone and my mother would die if she wouldnt be able to phone me at home :)
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17:39	sth	I'm tempted to try the wired iPad app
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17:47	graste	I am not tempted to try ipod or ipad :D
17:47	sth	the iPad is amazing
17:47	sth	I'm glad I bought it
17:48	graste	for couchsurfing (not the thing Xylakant likes ;) it's probably really nice
17:48	sth	heh
17:48	Xylakant	Oh, I do like both.
17:48	graste	<:
17:48	sth	I'm sure Xylakant likes both.
17:49	Xylakant	iPad is pretty nice when you're traveling a lot
17:49	graste	hehe, esp. couchsurfers that bring their own ipad with them
17:49	jurica	i also dont regret spending money on the ipad
17:49	Xylakant	it's not a replacement for a laptop in all respects
17:49	graste	I doesn't want to, I'd say
17:50	graste	+t +be etc pp
17:51	sth	I use mine a lot in replacement for my macbook
17:51	sth	(reading + web surfing)
17:52	Xylakant	well, i don't like it for web surfing too much
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17:52	Xylakant	no tabs in safari
17:52	graste_	is now known as graste
17:52	Xylakant	it's nice for reading
17:52	graste	no tabs? wtf
17:52	sth	switching between windows isn't too bothersome
17:52	jurica	i love ipads mail.app
17:52	Xylakant	it fails on large mail volumes since it can't filter
17:52	graste	-.-
17:53	sth	The mail app needs a bit of work
17:53	Xylakant	sth: certainly, but you can't open links in the background
17:53	graste	I slowly begin to ask myself what it's good for then
17:53	Xylakant	and my typical reading method is reading pages and opening links in the background for further reading
17:53	graste	+1
17:54	Xylakant	and then the behavior of opening new windows in the foreground quickly gets annoying
17:54	graste	is middle clicking links all the time
17:54	graste	omg
17:54	graste	reminds me of internet explorer 6 back in 2001
17:54	graste	:P
17:55	Xylakant	it's an awesome device for people that don't need a full computer
17:55	graste	not that tabs are a necessity, but MDI or something similar (like tabs) is just too convenient for multiple documents/sites
17:55	Xylakant	it's nice for reading a little and doing some mail
17:55	graste	that's perhaps the best description I read for the ipad :-)
17:56	graste	perhaps I should get my parents one
17:56	graste	^^
17:56	Xylakant	maybe not a bad idea
17:58	graste	can I plug and play a printer to it?
17:58	graste	<:
17:58	Xylakant	well, I doubt that
17:58	graste	scanner printer combo actually
17:58	Xylakant	do your parents need one?
17:58	graste	yes
17:59	graste	they already have one
17:59	graste	print receipts etc
17:59	graste	well, doesn't matter
17:59	sth	there was an article about some HP printer that allowed iPad printing
18:00	sth	you apparently just email it the content
18:00	graste	haha
18:00	graste	:>
18:00	jurica	i think an ipad would be perfect for my parents but i guess the first site they would visit with it would be flash based and nothing would work :p
18:00	sth	heh
18:00	sth	I'd buy my mum one if she didn't use flash a lot
18:01	jurica	so i'm off now, bye
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18:06	Xylakant	Where's the difference between ant and maven?
18:07	Xylakant	The author of ant did apologize.
18:07	Xylakant	This also applies to PHING!
18:20	graste	:D
18:27	impl	someone should try to port maven to PHP
18:27	impl	that would be spectacular.
18:28	saracen	I'm sure if that happened, you'd use PHP.
18:29	saracen	http://www.php-maven.org/
18:29	saracen	You can use PHP again impl!
18:30	impl	aww, but the application is still Java
18:30	impl	doesn't count.
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18:33	sth	your face doesn't count
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18:35	saracen	sth: Trust me
18:35	saracen	His face does ocunt
18:39	sth	No it doesn't, I've met impl :x
18:41	saracen	Well, with the things I've done with his face, it definitely counted.
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19:11	luke`	I tried sushi for the first time last week
19:11	luke`	I didn't like it
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21:07	J-P	Hi
21:07	J-P	I might need a little help with xinclude
21:07	J-P	I'm trying to xinclude a module routing.xml file inside the main routing.xml file
21:08	J-P	does anyone have an example ?
21:08	luke`	J-P: check the unofficial faq
21:08	luke`	I also think the sample app has an example
21:10	J-P	<xi:include xpointer="xmlns(agavi=http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config)
21:10	J-P	xpointer(//agavi:output_type[@name='html']/agavi:layouts/agavi:layout[@name='default']/agavi:layers/*)" />
21:11	J-P	that ?
21:11	J-P	I think I found a better one
21:12	Jarda	I have an example
21:12	Jarda	a sec
21:13	Jarda	http://pastie.org/1025519
21:14	Jarda	J-P: ^^
21:14	J-P	ah great! thnx Jarda
21:17	Jarda	I use that myself
21:17	Jarda	I can have site specific routes at the top and then have my cms specific routes with xinculde
21:19	Jarda	and yes, I did write my own CMS :D
21:34	graste	<:
21:35	Jarda	and with that I wrote my own javascript/ajax file browser for ckeditor :D
21:36	graste	some ppl just have too much time :P
21:38	Jarda	hey! I didn't (for now, atleast) write my own wysiwyg textarea editor :D
21:38	graste	kk :P
21:38	graste	how about your own webserver?
21:38	graste	own blog?
21:38	graste	own SHOP!!!11
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21:39	graste	:)
21:39	Jarda	own blog is on it's way
21:39	Jarda	but now off to bed
21:39	graste	hf ^^
21:39	Jarda	we did already write a blog with v-dogg for our company :D
21:39	Jarda	-->
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21:57	graste	btw J-P: I'd put the xinclude at the bottom of <configurations> to be able to set the xpointer to "xpointer(/ae:configurations/*)" or simliar
21:57	J-P	noted
21:57	graste	that way you can have multiple contexts/environments in your module specific routing.xml
21:57	graste	like different routes for development/production environments
21:58	graste	or in case one module of yours needs to support "console" context routes
21:58	graste	or sth like that
22:04	_cheerios	lol, america is fucked up http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128078864
22:11	graste	o_O
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