Log opened Sat May 01 00:00:00 2010
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12:01 Jarda phing.info down?
12:01 Jarda I would like to upgrade phing to a level agavi supports..
12:08 sth yes, it is down
12:08 Jarda you don't happen to have the latest .tgz somewhere?
12:08 sth Nope, best I could do is tar what I have
12:09 Jarda I have to check if pear backups those somewhere (I just upgraded last week @ work)
12:09 sth It doesn't
12:09 Jarda it actually does
12:09 sth It does?
12:10 Jarda I have in pear/temp/download the tgz-packages
12:10 sth I don't have that
12:10 Jarda ok, that's on windows
12:10 Jarda so it might be different
12:11 sth I have to go, I have a mayday thing to get to
12:11 Jarda k bye
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16:09 Jarda hmm, anyone here familiar with agavi+sopa/wsdl?
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16:10 Jarda there's something in sample app
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17:17 CIA-70 david * r4525 /branches/1.0/RELEASE_NOTES: 1.0.4 release notes
17:17 CIA-70 david * r4526 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: Array names for slots in release notes
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10:58 _cheerios huomenta
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18:21 mohammad_II Arme[N], hi
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09:59 _cheerios huomenta
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10:18 sth Morning
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10:55 sth What a stupid day to be at work :x
11:00 Xylakant aren't you supposed to be in cologne?
11:00 sth We leave tomorrow
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11:01 sth David was in .at over the weekend, so he moved it.
11:02 sth If not, I'm massively late :)
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11:08 _cheerios wrong mac key-combo...
11:08 sth wtg :)
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11:19 sth This summerises what is wrong with dojo: <button dojoType="dijit.form.Button" id="basicFadeButton">
11:19 bascht anybody around w/ some knowledge in plugging together agavi + doctrine?
11:20 bascht I'm currently stuck 'cause the cli task seems to ignore everything below apps/models/doctrine/generated/* - looks like an issue with autoloading, but I'm not that deep into agavi yet.
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11:53 bascht k, nevermind. the 1.0.0 version of AgaviDoctrineDatabase doesn't pass anything to Doctrine::loadModels()... -.-
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14:48 MikeSeth bascht: there's a patched version in the pipe
14:48 MikeSeth if you want i can look up the patch
14:50 MikeSeth actually you should run 1.0.3
14:50 MikeSeth it should be patched in there AFAIR
14:53 bascht MikeSeth: Yep - I already sort of backported the 1.0.3 version into the 1.0.0 project.
14:54 bascht MikeSeth: thanks nevertheless. :)
14:54 MikeSeth bascht: welcome to the club either way
14:54 MikeSeth agavi + doctrine is sweet
14:55 MikeSeth took me some time to hook it up and set up proper schema management
14:55 MikeSeth but once you do it's just so delicious and moist
14:55 sth I dispise doctrine
14:56 MikeSeth quiet intern
14:56 MikeSeth smears sth
14:56 sth I'm not an intern
14:56 _cheerios how far is doctrine2 from completion?
14:57 sth pisses on MikeSeth's parade
14:57 bascht _cheerios: some months. ;)
14:58 sth I win.
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15:06 Jarda Propel 1.5 <4
15:08 _cheerios i hope doctrine 1.x branch will be kept alive, doctrine2 turns me off with the "annotations" usage
15:09 matbtt cheerios: you can use also XML configuration in Doctrine2
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15:10 _cheerios oops
15:11 bascht matbtt: yep.
15:11 _cheerios comment-garbage or xml? love the choices :)
15:11 Jarda xml <3
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15:11 _cheerios gah
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15:12 matbtt ...or YAML
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15:12 _cheerios not used to dual monitor setup and closing tabs elsewhere without focus...
15:13 sth I've killed MikeSeth :x
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15:28 MikeSeth oh I'm sorry I was busy being productive :P
15:29 Jarda lies
15:30 sth Liar.
15:31 MikeSeth don't make me occupy your country
15:33 sth Go for it
15:33 sth .il will never take .uk
15:34 MikeSeth uh huh
15:34 MikeSeth not if your liberals replace the population with arabs :P
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Log opened Mon May 03 16:55:50 2010
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17:52 Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
17:52 Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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17:52 Home page for #agavi: http://agavi.org/
Log opened Mon May 03 18:04:13 2010
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18:04 Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.3 :: legacy: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://twitter.com/Agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
18:04 Topic set by Wombert [~Wombert@munich.bitextender.net] [Fri Apr 16 19:11:22 2010]
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19:33 J-P_ hi
19:34 J-P_ I have a question about DNS rules
19:34 J-P_ (and I hope someone's good enough to know the answer)
19:34 J-P_ here I go
19:35 J-P_ Let's say I have a DNS server with a few records such as aliases and hosts
19:36 J-P_ now, I add a NS record which, if I understand correctly, will kind of "redirect" the whole rule-processing-thing to a new DNS server
19:36 J-P_ am I right at this point ?
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19:38 Xylakant err, you lost me there
19:38 Xylakant bascht, are you there?
19:39 bascht Xylakant: sort of
19:40 J-P_ :S
19:40 J-P_ what does the NS DNS record is supposed to do
19:41 J-P_ that would be my first question
19:41 bascht J-P_: I think you're mixing up redirection and delegation
19:41 J-P_ very possible
19:41 bascht do you want to redirect one record, or do you want to redirect 'every other record'
19:41 bascht ?
19:42 J-P_ I'd like to redirect one record
19:42 J-P_ my problem is, one of our client bought another company
19:43 J-P_ and now they want to have the old website (of the company they bought) redirected to their website
19:43 J-P_ (and they don't want to proceed using http redirection)
19:43 J-P_ however, they have a FTP server which is still very alive on the old ost
19:43 J-P_ host*
19:44 J-P_ so in other words, web request -> new server
19:44 J-P_ ftp requests -> old server
19:45 J-P_ right now they are setting the NS rule on the old hosting to point to GoDaddy
19:45 J-P_ If I understand correctly and I stress the "if" part
19:45 bascht J-P_: So I guess that could be done with a CNAME record
19:45 v-dogg not my area of expertize but wouldn't you need some context-aware router the achieve that?
19:46 v-dogg i.e. ftp://foo -> old http://foo -> new
19:46 J-P_ I honestly don't know
19:46 J-P_ CNAME is a host record ?
19:46 J-P_ like
19:47 J-P_ ftp -> 292.323.432.132
19:47 bascht J-P_: yep, its sort of like an dns redirect
19:47 J-P_ sounds right
19:47 bascht ftp -> nope, thats an INA record
19:48 bascht you could do a "web.oldhost.tld. CNAME web.newhost.tld"
19:48 bascht this should fix your web-redirection issue
19:48 bascht (and add another '.' at the end of the CNAME line)
19:48 J-P_ let's say however, that the guy I work with already said they have to set the NS record
19:49 J-P_ without really looking at how-that-dns-thing-really-works
19:51 bascht J-P_: aaah
19:51 J-P_ right now, with GoDaddy, I have setup an OffSite DNS
19:51 bascht J-P_: I guess that means that you should set the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritative_name_server#Authoritative_name_server
19:53 J-P_ They pasted all the rules they have in their current DNS http://pastie.org/943858
19:53 J-P_ does it mean I have to re-create them all on the offsite dns ?
19:54 bascht J-P_: if the offsite dns should become the new authority - then yes.
19:55 J-P_ ok I think I get it then
19:55 J-P_ I really have to read about that
19:55 bascht J-P_: its like a tree structure - with authority given from the root the the brances
19:55 bascht +h
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20:37 Jarda does anyone know a place I could "hire" a graphics designer (must be _very_ cheap)
20:38 Jarda I would need one logo
20:38 Jarda And I don't feel like using iStockphoto for logos :)
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21:18 J-P_ creating a nice logo is quite easy
21:18 J-P_ 1. start photoshop
21:18 J-P_ 2. type your company in Times New Roman
21:18 J-P_ 3. Right click on your text layer and click "Blending Options"
21:18 J-P_ then check everything on the left column
21:18 J-P_ click ok
21:19 J-P_ then file->save as for web
21:19 J-P_ and you have one awesome logo
21:21 Jarda :D
21:41 v-dogg http://cooltext.com/
21:42 v-dogg "Cool Text is the worlds most popular graphics generator. Online since 1998 ..."
21:42 v-dogg and you and the graphics you generate still look like 1998! \o/
21:46 horros I tried telling Boss that our website would look awesome with a rotating animated gif logo.
21:47 horros He didn't agree :(
21:48 Jarda omg, cooltext is the coolest thing
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23:43 movvy- heh
23:43 movvy- cooltext!
23:48 movvy- hmm, i need to figure out how to do soap
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03:59 movvy- how do i gen a url with a parameter?
04:00 movvy- $url = $ro->gen('NotificationSystem.editnotdevice');
04:00 movvy- <route name=".editnotdevice" pattern="^/editnotdevice/(notdevid:\d+)" action="EditNotificationDevice" />
04:00 movvy- i want to add on th param :)
04:04 movvy- mmm where did the docs link go on agavi.org :<
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05:56 v-dogg movvy-: $ro->gen('name', array('notdevid'=>123));
05:57 v-dogg http://www.agavi.org/apidocs/
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06:10 movvy- check you out v-dogg thank you
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06:43 movvy- hmm
06:43 movvy- it gave me some error when i did that
06:44 movvy- somehting about an array not being allows
06:44 movvy- so then i just tried passing notdevid straight
07:02 sth Shadda: pretty much
07:02 sth mm, that was meant to be /clear
07:02 sth but v-dogg is correct
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07:26 movvy- nope i figured it out :)
07:27 movvy- it was my own variable i was passing that had the error
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09:04 _cheerios huomenta
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10:40 _cheerios pulls up sleeves. time to kill some code.
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11:26 horros hmm
11:26 sth ..bop.
11:26 horros I can't get external schemas to work with Propel 1.5 :x
11:27 sth It's probably because you're full of fail :)
11:27 horros It was working brilliantly with 1.3 :x
11:41 bascht btw. the next/previous navigation for the agavi docs is broken.
11:41 sth I know
11:41 sth I'm pushing an update now
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11:43 bascht sth: neat. I'll wait here, clicking reload.
11:43 sth Give it a minute or two
11:44 sth Or alternatively, use the Table of contents button :)
11:44 Jarda horros: external what?
11:44 sth needs to delete the previous agavi sites
11:45 Jarda cool
11:47 horros Jarda: external schemas.
11:47 Jarda horros: neverheard :)
11:47 horros <external-schema filename="whatever.xml" />
11:48 Jarda humm
11:49 Jarda how is it not working? Like propel ignores it or throws an error?
11:49 Jarda (anyway, you should file a ticket about it) :)
11:50 sth bascht: Fixed.
11:50 horros It tells me "unexpected elemenet" for <tables>-tags, <table>-tags and just about anything I try.
11:50 horros It was working perfectly in 1.3 when I just had <tables><table ....>...</table></tables>
11:51 horros I don't want some ~100 table-definitions in one file :<
11:51 Jarda if it doesn't work the 1.3 way you really should file a ticket
11:51 Jarda as it's a BC break
11:55 horros humms
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12:01 horros ooooookay
12:02 horros seems you can only have one table in an external schema these days.
12:02 horros that's... completely and uttery rubbish.
12:03 bascht sth: thx
12:03 horros oor not
12:04 sth ?
12:10 horros aha. I must have a <database> tag in nthe smegging external schema too
12:10 horros which is slightly retarded.
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12:14 horros Grr.
12:17 MikeSeth propel lol
12:18 v-dogg ohshutup jew
12:18 v-dogg propel is awesome
12:18 v-dogg and 1.5 is even awesomerr
12:24 sth ...
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12:51 MikeSeth oh yeah?
12:51 horros nice
12:51 MikeSeth well I ordered a delicious sushi
12:51 MikeSeth what do you have to say to that motherfucker
12:51 horros the propel reverse engineering task generates a schema that the om-task can't use :D
12:51 v-dogg horros: nobody uses that reverse stuff
12:52 v-dogg so don't you use it either :p
12:52 horros Well, that's actually a tad beside the point; I can't reference schemas.
12:52 horros (nobody uses schemas in PostgreSQL!)
12:53 v-dogg we do but we set the search_path and don't worry about it afterwards
12:54 horros I remember I hacked Propel 1.2 to work with schemas actually.
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13:30 horros kicks Propel in the face
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13:32 horros It doesn't support SET DEFAULT for foreign keys :(
13:33 Jarda well, we allways keep SQL and propel schema separate
13:34 Jarda but it may be different as we don't have to have multiple instances (well, not atleas 10+) of our software deployed
13:35 horros we have around 250 or so (as far as I know) instances deployed :<
13:36 horros I also find it neat that the generator generates size="-4" :D
14:05 horros Hmm. The fancypants exception template has stopped working alltogether for me.
14:06 horros (I get a parse error from firefox)
14:08 horros problem seems to be lines 552:557 or so
14:10 horros maybe.
14:10 Jarda that's why we use plaintext
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15:21 v-dogg that's why I wrote the plaintext template :)
15:21 v-dogg shiny is shiny only now and then :)
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15:58 movvy- hello
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16:22 sth sets fire to David
16:22 Jarda vool
16:22 Jarda or cool
16:23 Jarda tell david to respond to my emails :(
16:23 sth I'd rather he answered the phone
16:30 bascht sth: when where you suppose to arrive in cologne?
16:30 sth Today
16:31 sth Probably should have been on the train.
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18:20 horros humms
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19:05 horros anyone have any real-world unit test samples that are NOT trivial?
19:05 horros as in, not "add a plus b together"
19:07 v-dogg what? you mean your application is not a bank software with one class - Account - which has two methods deposit(int) and int withdrawl() ?
19:08 v-dogg I was under the impression that example pretty much covers all software built
19:08 horros :D
19:09 horros I'm trying to figure out when and where to do unit tests with Agavi.
19:10 horros Seeing as it should be impossible for actions to feed, say, invalid numbers to models, as they are already validated
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19:17 horros oh yay. another "money bag" example
19:17 horros :x
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19:47 horros grumbles
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20:47 Jarda I don't know what you horros try to tell :)
20:48 horros Pardon?
20:48 Jarda I don't know if our unit tests are complex or not. Our models take a lot of arrays as input, and they need to do different kinds of things regardin the input array
20:49 horros Okay.. Where do these arrays come from? (If you don't mind me asking)
20:49 horros and, errm, what do you do to them?
20:49 Jarda so we (or I, can't speak with v-doggs mouth) try to separate all the different inputs and then make some rules how the model should process the input
20:50 Jarda so I make some dataproviders and write a simple test that takes the input and asserts it matches the provided expected results
20:51 horros Mmhm, the problem is we don't really "process" data as much as store it and retrieve it based on certain criteria
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20:51 Jarda I of course validate always the input, but I like to "document" the functionality of our models and methods. So that I can do "regression testing" if we need to add more functionality to a method or something similar
20:52 horros we store reports, restrictions, notes, whatnot, but do fairly little calculation or juggling with the data
20:52 horros humms
20:53 horros pretty much all we do is $foo = new Foo(); $foo->setBar($rd->getParameter('bar')); $foo->save(); return 'Success';
20:53 Jarda well that's why I like to test our app. It's complicated but not too complicated :)
20:53 horros :)
20:54 v-dogg we don't have that much calculations or other juggling either so some of our test are really just "put A in, check that A was stored in the database"
20:55 Jarda but the one thing I have discovered just since like 1-2 months. Adding functionality or refactoring stuff is so much nicer when the simplest of things are tested
20:55 horros v-dogg: That's not a unit test then ;P
20:55 v-dogg nope
20:55 Jarda yeah, all our tests are more or less integration tests
20:56 Jarda as we don't isolate them from db
20:56 horros which means doing TDD isn't really possible ;P
20:56 Jarda oh it sure is
20:56 v-dogg well... well... yeah.. kinda
20:57 Jarda but I don't want to do TDD. I like to write the dataproviders first, then write the method and then the test
20:57 Jarda as writing dataproviders makes it possible for me to really think first what the function of one method is
20:57 horros It's rather useless to create a unit test for my, say, user settings model, as it uses propel to fetch and store settings
20:57 horros so I really don't have anything to test which isn't an integration test
20:58 v-dogg yup. and adding an additional Data Access Layer there just seems utterly pointless
20:59 v-dogg horros, I feel your pain :)
20:59 horros This is "somewhat" annoying, as I'm supposed to hold a maybe two hour presentation on scrum and agile practices + a workshop for my co-workers thu-fri :D
20:59 v-dogg but hey, those bank account examples are still all nice and dandy :D
21:00 horros and I've been so mad busy lately I'm only now doing the presentation :(
21:00 horros (25 slides so far!)
21:00 v-dogg 20 slides bank account example?
21:01 horros no, 25 slides on scrum :D
21:01 Jarda well, starting to write tests was the most hard part
21:01 Jarda now I try to "prove" every bug with a test
21:01 v-dogg $this->assertTrue($account->isEmpty());
21:01 Jarda and almost every new feature gets a test
21:01 horros I was talking to cow-worker today and he found it utterly complicated that you had to add a line to routes.xml every time you create a new action :D
21:02 Jarda and I wrote a bunch of tests for a bigger kokonaisuus when I wanted to refactor it
21:02 horros I somehow fear this'll all end in a terrible disaster :(
21:02 Jarda it was refreshening to document the current behaviour
21:02 Jarda made it a lot easier to refactor
21:02 horros Jarda: So how do you handle running the tests then if they're integration tests?
21:03 Jarda horros: well in our case it's damn easy as we have a "test customer" with own "system customer id". Every table row we have references the "system customer"
21:03 Jarda so we kind of have our tests in a sandbox
21:04 Jarda but if this wouldn't be the case, I would be running the tests with a empty database
21:05 Jarda so we can do "DELETE FROM systemcustomer WHERE id = <testid>" and it empties all the other tables from the test customers rows as well
21:05 horros I'd assume doing TDD would be fairly annoying that way, as putting the db in a known state for every test is rather time consuming?
21:05 Jarda Well I don't feel that way
21:05 Jarda because lot of the results of our model methods depend on the current state of db
21:06 Jarda so we need to simulate different situations
21:06 Jarda like when testing result pagination we need to have tests for empty table, table with all the rows fitting on one page, table with multiple pages etc
21:07 Jarda (I love PropelPager btw :))
21:07 horros Mmmhm, however, we currently have some 90+ tables in our database :|
21:07 horros ...and _A LOT_ of actions that use models that interact with the database
21:08 horros so when tests are written for all of them, running the whole test suite will take way too long
21:08 horros which means nobody will ever do it
21:08 Jarda but we try to keep tests simple. So it usually takes like 1-5 inserts in SetUp() per test class to have a "testing environment" for the tests up
21:08 Jarda horros: that's where CI comes in
21:08 Jarda you don't populate the _whole_ db on every test
21:09 Jarda you populate only the parts you need (at least that's the way we do it)
21:09 Jarda and then let the CI run integration tests with a populated db
21:09 horros Sure
21:10 Jarda (but I'm such a newbie in this whole development thing and especially with testing, I might think totally different after 1 year or something like that :))
21:10 horros however, if you only run the tests for the "unit" you're currently testing, you don't know if you broke something else before you commit and the CI-server kicks in
21:10 horros unless you run the whole test suite
21:10 horros which isn't a good idea
21:10 Jarda well I like the idea
21:11 Jarda I do rapid development, I can make quick changes and count on the CI to catch any side effects I might have done)
21:12 Jarda well this is off course a problem if you have some post-commit hook that deploys your software to production on every commit :)
21:13 Jarda actually that would be very neat, how about it v-dogg?
21:14 Jarda but now off to bed, see you tomorrow :)
21:14 horros hmm
21:18 v-dogg I agree with Jarda req. not worrying about running the whole test suite everytime before commit (when working with a small team)
21:19 v-dogg if you broke something CI server will inform you and it's unlikely you'll disturb anyone else's work
21:19 horros Hmmh, true.
21:20 horros But in any case, you'd probably have to run the tests for a specific module every time
21:20 horros erh
21:21 horros run all the tests for the module containing the model/whatever you're currently working on
21:21 v-dogg of course the CI server will also inform your co-workers and that might be a problem :)
21:23 v-dogg hmph. missus fell asleep while putting the little on to bed which means it's me who has to take to dog out
21:23 horros $ find . -type f -name \*Action\* | grep -v '.svn'| grep '/actions/' | wc -l
21:23 horros 292
21:23 v-dogg and of course it's raining...
21:23 horros That's just for one module :<
21:24 v-dogg :)
21:25 horros You know, porting this to Agavi 1.0 is going to be quite a bit of work.
21:26 horros Deadbolt - Truck driving son of a bitch
21:26 horros <3
21:27 horros ~/ [...] he said, "Hi, you must be Mitch?" I said "No." and punched him in the teeth, 'cos I'm a truck driving son of a bitch! ~/
21:28 v-dogg cheerful music you've got there :)
21:29 horros Deadbolt is awesome :)
21:30 horros http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-82RwFZA0Ck <3
22:17 horros What's this now
22:18 horros "Output Type "html" has not been configured." :O
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23:42 nfq yo sth
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08:59 _cheerios huomenta
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11:01 riddler hello i have a questions about the Master Template
11:02 riddler normaly the MasterTemplate is in templates/Master.php
11:02 riddler in my case i create a new layouttype named "shop"
11:03 riddler and this layouttype is for different Clients so i created in the template Folder client folders
11:03 riddler like templates/RSH/Shop.php
11:03 riddler but $inner dosent have anny content
11:03 riddler why
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11:06 _cheerios comes to mind: check that inner is in the master tpl, and that factories.xml is configured
11:06 _cheerios correction, output_types.xml
11:08 riddler i am confused.. in output_types.xml? there is no inner ..
11:10 _cheerios k,then one less thing to check :)
11:15 riddler :-(
11:18 v-dogg riddler: pastebin your output_types.xml please
11:18 v-dogg and the view which loads the shop layout
11:19 riddler http://pastebin.org/202846
11:24 riddler http://pastebin.org/202865
11:25 riddler line 22 -25
11:25 riddler in the CMS i can set a layouttype and this is the place the layouttype will be set
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11:38 horros hmm.
11:38 riddler haha found the mistake.. shame on me
11:38 horros at what point in the startup sequence is the user-object initialized, and how?
11:39 Jarda horros: why do you ask?
11:39 horros I need to store something which is a resoruce as an attribute in the object which I need to refresh from the database (as it can't be serialized), for which I need the user id attribute
11:42 sth haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0MjH05iliI
11:42 Jarda well the user attributes are serialized to session afaik
11:43 simoncpu jejejejeje
11:43 simoncpu jejemon invades the #ajavi channel! jejejejejeje
11:45 Jarda horros: but user::startup() gets called pretty early in the chain
11:45 horros humm.
11:46 sth No invades #agavi except me.
11:46 simoncpu jejejejeje
11:46 sth Oh and maybe saracen
11:47 horros Is the whole user-object serialized? as in, does __sleep() and __wakeup() get called?
11:50 Jarda (why can't the object be serialized)
11:50 v-dogg horros: no, only user's attributes and it's done in user::shutdown
11:51 Jarda v-dogg: shutdown shuts the storage down, tight?
11:51 Jarda *right
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12:13 v-dogg Jarda: user::shutdown writes user attrbs to the session but does not explicitly shutdown storage (agavi does that)
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12:23 Wombert v-dogg: ping
12:23 v-dogg pong
12:23 v-dogg hai Wombert
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12:25 Jarda Wombert: pingpong, got my mail(s)? :)
12:25 sth Wombert's dead.
12:25 Jarda long live Wombert!
12:26 Wombert Jarda: been busy, sorry
12:26 Jarda Wombert: no problems, just wanted to know if you got them :)
12:26 Wombert v-dogg: can you move the ADT repos to github?
12:26 Jarda Wombert: we just moved them to repositoryhosting, why git? :)
12:26 Wombert because then I can fork it :p
12:27 Jarda but if v-dogg is willing, I can move them. (v-dogg is too old to learn new git tricks ;))
12:27 Wombert we're trying to get the firephp output working in safari
12:28 v-dogg I have nothing against it
12:29 Jarda Wombert: humm, how :o
12:29 Wombert no idea :p
12:29 Jarda I would die to have adt working in chrome
12:29 Wombert just looking into it right now
12:29 Wombert well, chrome is another story
12:29 Jarda oh, so you wouldn't be using the webkit developertools?
12:30 sth dum de dum...
12:30 Jarda Wombert: how should one move something from svn to github?
12:30 Jarda svn export -> git something ?
12:31 sth Chrome would be the same as Safari
12:31 Jarda v-dogg: do you have anything against it being under my account, or should we create one for adt or actually how does this whole githubthing work? :)
12:31 Jarda I know phpunit is under sebastians account :)
12:32 sth So if we manage to get this working in safari, it'd be the same for chrome
12:33 Wombert or you guys just give sth access to the adt repos
12:33 Wombert that's probably easiest
12:33 Wombert and saves us all lots of time ;)
12:34 Jarda ok, but I still would like to learn github
12:34 Wombert v-dogg: where did you find info about logging to firebug?
12:34 Wombert or did you just use firephp?
12:34 Wombert it sends some weird headers, right?
12:34 v-dogg firephp
12:34 sth I'm cloning it to git atm
12:35 Jarda wtf people try to decide :)
12:36 Jarda I created an account to github
12:36 v-dogg sth: from which repo? I was just about to kill svn.projectbin.org?
12:36 v-dogg I moved the project to another repo just the other day and since that two minor modifications has been made
12:36 Jarda http://adt.veikko.fi/svn/makinen_adt
12:36 Jarda oh there's no read access
12:37 v-dogg sure there is
12:37 Jarda is my url wrong then?
12:37 v-dogg should be
12:37 v-dogg 19832
12:37 v-dogg bah
12:37 v-dogg http://adt.veikko.fi/svn_public/makinen_adt/
12:37 Jarda oh, true
12:37 v-dogg (stupid url schema)
12:37 Jarda tell me about it
12:38 Jarda hmm, but github has this svn:externals thing, right?
12:38 Jarda so there would be no reason not to move to github?
12:38 Jarda (other than tortoisegit being full of shit)
12:39 Wombert svn read access doesn't work for me
12:39 Wombert at least for PHPUnit
12:39 Wombert dunno why
12:39 Wombert and you can't pin it to revisions
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12:39 Wombert so you'd have to use tags
12:39 Wombert that's the downside
12:39 Wombert hence my suggestion that sth just gets access
12:39 Wombert to SVN
12:40 Jarda ok
12:40 Wombert because that won't fuck up people's externals eventually :)
12:40 Jarda well we already did fuck them up
12:40 Jarda with moving away from projectbin
12:40 Jarda :)
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12:40 Wombert in fact
12:40 Wombert ponders
12:40 Wombert assuming that we support Firebug (via FirePHP) and Safari/Chrome Web Inspector
12:41 Wombert couldn't we get all the changes upstream then?
12:41 Wombert into Agavi?
12:41 Wombert for 1.1 or 1.2?
12:41 Wombert (probably 1.2)
12:41 Jarda http://adt.veikko.fi/trac/makinen_adt/timeline I did [82] [83] after we moved away from projectbin
12:42 Jarda Wombert: I'm willing to manage it if you think I'm capable of doing that
12:42 Wombert yeah
12:42 Wombert we just need some sort of event thingie
12:42 Wombert or callbacks
12:42 Wombert blah
12:42 Wombert logging
12:42 Wombert blah
12:42 Wombert I wanted to do that for 1.2
12:42 Wombert because it's becoming more and more necessary
12:42 Jarda but time is always an issue?
12:42 sth v-dogg: Which svn server is the most recent code on?
12:42 Wombert here's an idea
12:42 sth http://adt.veikko.fi/svn_public/makinen_adt/trunk/ ?
12:42 Jarda sth: that's the one
12:43 sth Awesome
12:43 Wombert let's
12:43 Wombert 1) implement safari/chrome support
12:43 Jarda we should write something to the front page of adt.projecting.
12:43 Wombert 2) drop HTML/CSS/JS output
12:43 Wombert or does anyone have objections?
12:43 Wombert v-dogg, what do you think?
12:43 Wombert is the standard HTML output worth keeping?
12:43 Jarda Wombert: no objections at all! (and v-dogg hates the html stuff)
12:43 Wombert the one that injects into the response?
12:43 Jarda it's broken and shitty and awful
12:43 Wombert yeah I thought I remembered something in that direction ;)
12:43 sth http://github.com/sthulbourn/adt
12:44 sth Fork and be merry.
12:45 horros Uh. I wish I could nest test suites in suites.xml
12:52 Jarda oh yeah, I got git on windows working
12:54 Jarda http://vimeo.com/11480457
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13:50 horros Humm, there we go. Hacked the AgaviTesting stuff to support nested <suite>-elements
13:52 horros so that if you have, say, <suites name="Default"><suite name="Default_Fragment">...</suite><suite name="Default_Unit">...</suite><testfiles>....</testfiles></suite>, running the "Default" target runs all sub-suites too, and you can run just the suite you want also
13:52 horros Perhaps a bit easier to use than run-tests.php -- --include-suite=x,y,z --exclude-suite=a,b,h
13:53 horros just in case anyone actually gives a toss.
13:54 v-dogg are you implying someone actually might?-)
13:55 horros Well, no, hence the last statement ;P
14:00 Jarda we don't use agavis suites.xml
14:08 horros Well, in the spirit of the license, I'll stuff the changes onto my blog perhaps during the weekend.
14:08 Wombert you realize that's just the spirit, not an obligation, right? :)
14:09 Wombert unless you ship your software to your customers, that is
14:09 Wombert if you just host your software, then no problemo...
14:09 Wombert (that's a loophole the A(L)GPL plugs)
14:09 Wombert but yea, thanks for sharing :)
14:10 horros Yessir.
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17:54 horros There. Code online.
17:55 v-dogg what codez is dat?
17:56 horros The patch for the testing stuff.
17:56 horros on mah blog
17:57 v-dogg da blog
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20:36 horros slaps phing
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11:21 Wombert miek!
11:21 Wombert pokes MikeSeth
11:24 MikeSeth o sup
11:26 impl what are these shenanigans
11:27 MikeSeth pets impl
11:27 Wombert good... evening?
11:27 Wombert impl
11:27 Wombert isn't it like
11:27 Wombert 5am
11:27 Wombert where you are
11:28 impl it's 4:30 yeah
11:28 impl I just was awokened because we're doing an emergency network change
11:29 Wombert I bet you are grumpy :>
11:29 Wombert what's the emergency?
11:29 impl I'm always grumpy, though
11:30 impl we switched load balancers yesterday evening, and stuff failed, so now it has to go back to the old one until they can figure out wtf
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11:32 sth oh, gj.
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12:01 CIA-70 david * r4527 /trunk/ (34 files in 14 dirs): merge [4515:4526/trunk]
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12:12 xboy Hi
12:12 xboy is it possible to access a web context from console context?
12:13 MikeSeth AgaviContext::getInstance('web')
12:13 xboy Thanks :">
12:15 MikeSeth man node.js makes me drool
12:18 _cheerios MikeSeth: same, been wanting to play with it for something for some time now
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12:28 MikeSeth anyone played with chef/ohai?
12:33 Xylakant skade has
12:34 skade well, i played with vagrant/chef-solo
12:42 sth It's a lovely rainy day in the new BX office.
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08:49 _cheerios huomenta!
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21:03 Jarda sth / Wombert, what's the status of phpcouch
21:10 sth "usable"
21:11 Jarda sth: trunk or a branch?
21:12 sth The branch
21:13 Jarda trac.phpcouch.org/browser/branches/simon?
21:13 Jarda http://trac.phpcouch.org/browser/branches/simon
21:13 sth no, david-php53
21:13 sth or what ever it is
21:14 Jarda k
21:15 Jarda is there some agavi integration available?
21:15 Jarda or should I just use directly from models?
21:16 Jarda (and is there any documentation available?) :)
21:17 Jarda oh, there is
21:17 Jarda nice
21:18 sth the docs don't really exist
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21:18 Jarda nono, but a agavi adapter exists
21:19 Jarda I just don't get the naming schema of the adapter, but I hope it works :)
21:20 Jarda PhpcouchAgaviPhpcouchDatabase.php
21:24 Wombert Agavi* is for Agavi
21:24 Wombert since this is not an Agavi class...
21:24 Jarda ok
21:24 Jarda so I need to autoload.xml that and then add it to databases.xml=
21:25 Wombert yea
21:26 Jarda hmm, how can I add a directory to subversion from commandline without checkouting?
21:42 Jarda Wombert: the instructions in the comments is wrong :)
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08:19 Jarda http://flowplayer.org/tools/demos/validator/index.html
08:19 Jarda now how to get those validation attributes from agavivalidation..
08:19 Jarda humms
09:06 Jarda sth: how am I supposed to filter results in phpcouch? :)
09:06 Jarda now I can get all documents of a db but that's not what I want :D
09:08 sth use a view in couch
09:08 Jarda hmm, any examples?
09:09 sth in the book
09:09 sth it's linked on the couch site
09:10 Jarda ok..
09:10 Jarda this might bee too much for me..
09:19 Jarda I'm too used to relational databases
09:23 MikeSeth huomenta
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11:56 Jarda sth: hmm, $entry = $db->newDocument(); $entry->foo = "bar"; $entry->save(); ----> Exception "Result not OK :("
11:57 Jarda but the result goes to couchdb
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12:11 Jarda is it because I'm using this CouchDBX on os x?
12:23 sth no
12:23 sth It's probably a bug in PHPCouch
12:23 sth Which adapter are you using?
12:31 Jarda hmm, I don't know :)
12:32 Jarda I just added this to autoload.xml and configured databases.xml as said in the class phpdoc http://svn.phpcouch.org/branches/david-php53/etc/adapters/agavi/PhpcouchAgaviPhp​couchDatabase.php
12:33 sth mk
12:33 sth I had issues with the default adapter, so I made my own
12:34 sth I made: http://svn.phpcouch.org/branches/david-php53/lib/phpcouch/adapter/HttpAdapter.ph​p
12:34 sth You'll need a pecl extension for it though
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12:57 _cheerios huomenta
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15:37 Jarda sth: oh yeah, the httpadpater worked
15:38 sth There's a problem with the stream_* methods in PHP
15:40 Jarda mmkay
15:40 Jarda well, I'm going to host this on my own servers, so using a pecl extension is not a problem
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18:16 Jarda horros: http://www.propelorm.org/changeset/1755
18:17 Jarda this might be somewhat related to what you were experiencing?
18:18 horros yup
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20:07 Jarda sth: please give example how to create views with phpcouch :)
20:08 Jarda I mean, please give example on how to "SELECT * FROM foo WHERE something = 'something'"
20:28 v-dogg you have probably already read this: http://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/HTTP_view_API
20:28 v-dogg or?
20:31 v-dogg sounds pretty straight forward. define the view and access it with choosen parameters
20:31 v-dogg is it not?-)
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20:38 sth Jarda: You create the views in couchdb
20:38 Jarda sth: oh, so I create a schema for schemaless database :)
20:39 sth No
20:40 v-dogg you define "filters"
20:40 sth essentially
20:40 v-dogg like callbacks
20:40 Jarda yup, but I thought I could do it more dynamically
20:41 sth you can make temporary views, but they're expensive
20:43 v-dogg the filter doesn't say "something = 'something'" but you tell the filter to filter based on something and then call /foo/myview/something
20:43 v-dogg or /foo/myview/someothervalue
20:44 Jarda oh ny I got it
20:44 Jarda now
20:44 sth foo/_design/bar/_view/baz
20:44 v-dogg (I might also be totally wrong because all this is based on what I've read, I have never used couchdb :)
20:44 sth And you can restrict based on ID.
20:45 Jarda I'm totally lost with this
20:45 sth if you want something like a WHERE in SQL
20:45 Jarda I'm _this_close_ to write this in postgresql
20:45 Jarda but I want to try new things
20:45 sth or you can filter in the JS for the view with if (doc.foo == 'foo') { emit... }
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09:09 _cheerios huomenta!
09:21 Jarda hmm, is it possible to modify the response object in a routing callback?
09:23 v-dogg please elaborate
09:23 v-dogg i.e. what are you trying to do :)
09:28 Jarda return a file from a callback
09:28 Jarda trying to avoid action execution when not necessary :)
09:29 v-dogg make the action simple and return fopen(file.txt) from the view
09:29 v-dogg that's the Right Way, not sure if you can hack it in the callback
09:30 Jarda mmkay
09:30 v-dogg (this was just discussed with xylakant the other day but I don't remember the ruling)
09:33 Jarda I just searched the logs
09:34 Jarda so I could do it by creating a responseobject and then return it
09:34 Jarda and avoid action execution totalluy
09:35 Jarda xylakant should come here and tell me why this should be not done :)
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10:11 rasten hello, first sorry for my english
10:11 rasten i have this problem: Fatal error: Class 'AgaviContext' not found in C:\Apache2.2\htdocs\anielska\index2.php on line 28
10:12 rasten it is in my frontend and strange thing because it starded to appear after my pc had reboot by himself
10:13 rasten maybe some ideas whats wrong?;>
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10:18 rasten i'll just add that my backend admin.php file and whole backend folder are in the same folder works just fine
10:23 saracen rasten: You should make sure that the agavi includes (agavi.php and config.php) are before any reference to AgaviContext
10:23 saracen Oh, and that you've bootstrapped
10:23 ttj _cheerios: Up for lunch?
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10:30 rasten @saracen yes i know, but before rebot i haven't changed anything in index2.php which looks like this:
10:30 rasten <?php
10:30 rasten error_reporting(E_ALL | E_STRICT);
10:31 rasten // +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
10:31 rasten // | An absolute filesystem path to the agavi/agavi.php script. |
10:31 rasten // +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
10:31 rasten require('agavi/src/agavi.php');
10:31 rasten // +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
10:31 rasten // | An absolute filesystem path to our app/config.php script. |
10:31 rasten // +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
10:31 rasten require('frontend/config.php');
10:31 rasten // +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
10:31 rasten // | Initialize the framework. You may pass an environment name to this method.|
10:31 rasten // | By default the 'development' environment sets Agavi into a debug mode. |
10:31 rasten // | In debug mode among other things the cache is cleaned on every request. |
10:31 rasten // +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
10:31 rasten Agavi::bootstrap('development');
10:31 bascht *NOISE*
10:31 rasten // +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
10:31 rasten // | Call the controller's dispatch method on the default context |
10:31 rasten // +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
10:31 rasten AgaviContext::getInstance('web')->getController()->dispatch();
10:31 rasten ?>
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10:33 rasten i also have admin.php file in the same folder which includes: require("admin/config.php") uses the same agavi src and works fine
10:36 horros Well done!
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10:44 _cheerios :)
10:44 _cheerios ttj: whereabouts?
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10:54 ttj _cheerios: Are you still sitting in Ruoholahti?
10:57 _cheerios yep
10:57 _cheerios oh, no
10:57 _cheerios Punavuori
10:58 _cheerios read the first R as in R??peri, lazy reading
10:58 ttj Ah. Well, I'm flexible as I'm taking a few days off work, so if you have any good suggestions I'm very much open to them. :)
10:59 Jarda bend down and..
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11:03 _cheerios there's good sushi across the street (hardest part is finding free seats during lunch hour), great salad place (though usually also no seats) nearby... hmm; ok'ish thai can be found abouts, creamy italian place down the street too (also quite full, prices were good)
11:05 ttj Bali Hai?
11:06 _cheerios haven't tried, sure.
11:06 ttj Let's see...
11:06 _cheerios heh @ eat.fi comments, someone waited 40mins for their lunch :D
11:07 ttj Ouch.
11:08 _cheerios popular place i guess
11:08 ttj I haven't experienced that, though.
11:08 ttj The wait, that is.
11:08 ttj I can be there at 12:33.
11:09 _cheerios k, cu then
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11:11 saracen I hope at least one of you puts on a pretty dress
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11:33 rasten ok i have solution. I cleared cache folder and it works now.
11:33 rasten but this is weird...some bug or what...?
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14:53 Jarda Xylakant: ping
14:55 Jarda Xylakant: I have pub/files/*.pdf and whenever a user writes domain.tld/files/foo.pdf in browser I would need to check permissions from session and database
14:56 Jarda Xylakant: should I do this in a routing callback and return a response object or what?
14:56 Jarda or should I run the action chain and check the permissions there?
14:56 Jarda I really would not like to return my files through php
15:09 _cheerios voddler seems good. just 10mins of advertisements that one must watch before free movie plays (can't alt-tab in the meanwhile either, pauses)
15:09 Xylakant well, you can use x-sendfile in a response
15:10 Xylakant actually, agavi will use x-sendfile if you just return an open file pointer to the file in the view
15:10 Xylakant so the overhead is minimized
15:14 Jarda fopen?
15:15 Jarda v-dogg did tell me about this x-sendfile, he just didn't remember what kind of magic agavi does :)
15:20 sth Jarda: return fopen() in the view
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15:53 horros humm. Ger - Fin hockey tonight.
15:54 Xylakant yeah. we kicked the americans, we'll teach you how to play hockey
15:58 horros Well, we lost against the bloody Danes. We've got umm, one, semi-decent line it seems.
16:04 Xylakant so i guess we're on par :)
16:14 Wombert [15:10] Xylakant: actually, agavi will use x-sendfile if you just return an open file pointer to the file in the view
16:14 Wombert no
16:14 Wombert you need to configure it to
16:16 Wombert <response class="AgaviWebResponse">
16:16 Wombert <ae:parameter name="use_sendfile_header">true</ae:parameter>
16:16 Wombert <!--<ae:parameter name="sendfile_header_name">X-Sendfile</ae:parameter>-->
16:16 Wombert <response class="AgaviWebResponse">
16:16 Wombert <ae:parameter name="use_sendfile_header">true</ae:parameter>
16:16 Wombert <!--<ae:parameter name="sendfile_header_name">X-Sendfile</ae:parameter>-->
16:16 Wombert ffs
16:16 Wombert <response class="AgaviWebResponse">
16:16 Wombert <ae:parameter name="use_sendfile_header">true</ae:parameter>
16:16 Wombert <!--<ae:parameter name="sendfile_header_name">X-Sendfile</ae:parameter>-->
16:16 Wombert </response>
16:16 sth thanks for the flood :(
16:16 Wombert X-Sendfile is the default name, Jarda
16:16 Wombert mind you though that N
16:16 Wombert adopsajdlksadjlsad
16:16 Wombert nginx expects an absolute path
16:17 Wombert or was it a relative one
16:17 Wombert dunno
16:17 Wombert but it's a bit different from apache and lighty
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16:46 MikeSeth nging derp
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17:14 movvy hello
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19:29 Jarda thanks :)
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20:07 horros yay hockey!
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20:10 Jarda germans doesn't know how to skate
20:10 Jarda they don't have ice there
20:11 horros Finns don't know what that stick is they have in their hand, judging from the Denmark-game.
20:11 horros :|
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20:32 Jarda horros: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/denmark_vs_finland_ice_hockey_2010.jpg
20:35 horros :D
20:47 Jarda hmm. Sometimes I feel like I would like to have a blog
20:48 Jarda the problem is, all the engines are more or less shitty
20:48 Jarda should write my own :)
20:54 Jarda also I would want to test node.js
20:54 Jarda no idea though what to do with it :)
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22:24 horros HAHAHAHAH
22:24 horros IN YOUR FACE, GERMANS!
22:29 matbtt_ 1:0 impressive!
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09:02 _cheerios huomenta
09:50 MikeSeth huomenta
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11:49 MikeSeth if I have a nested validator, and the first validator exports the value, will the next one read the exported value or the original one?
11:50 MikeSeth I basically need to trim() the parameter before submitting it to regex checks
11:56 Wombert the exported one, MikeSeth
11:56 Wombert first meaning the innermost, right?
11:57 MikeSeth Wombert: yeah, I figured it out, it works
11:57 MikeSeth should I write a patch for regex validator to support trim?
11:57 Wombert Agavi for great justice
11:57 Jarda Wombert: hi! would it be possible to get validation rules (from xml) per action exported somehow?
11:57 Wombert couldn't you do /^\s*(zomg)\s*$/, MikeSeth?
11:58 MikeSeth Wombert: and then export the value?
11:58 Wombert Jarda: how do you mean?
11:58 Jarda (I would like to have the rules in client side validation)
11:58 Wombert MikeSeth: can the regex validator even do exports?
11:58 Wombert hey that would be pretty cool
11:58 Wombert exporting
11:58 MikeSeth Wombert: if not then the action itself should trim it? because that'd suck
11:58 Wombert would be easy too
11:59 MikeSeth yep, it does support exporting
11:59 Wombert orly?
11:59 Wombert lemme checks
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11:59 Wombert yea but
11:59 Wombert it would be nicer
11:59 Wombert if you could specify which subpattern to export
11:59 Wombert just need a good param name now...
12:00 Jarda Wombert: I'd like to have input1 => type: string, max: 5, min: 1 or something similar to be used in javascript
12:00 Wombert Jarda: oh
12:00 Wombert humm
12:00 sth But what if you want a couple? :P
12:00 Wombert sth: subpatterns?
12:00 Wombert you can nest them! :)
12:00 Wombert Jarda: you could also just haxor things in such a way that an ajax request with a certain param won't run the action
12:00 MikeSeth er um.. actually it just exports the original getData() value..
12:01 Wombert yeah, MikeSeth, that's for when you want to export to a different value
12:01 Wombert rather useless at the minute
12:01 Wombert but if we have, say
12:02 Jarda Wombert: humm, not actually. Say, I have <validator class="string" required="false">....<parameter name="min">5</parameter></validator>
12:02 Jarda doing a "dry run" doesn't give me the validation parameters for this validator as it's not required
12:02 Wombert <validator class="regex">
12:02 Wombert <argument>foobar</argument>
12:02 Wombert <ae:parameter name="pattern">/^\s*foo(?'subpat'bar)\s*$/</ae:parameter>
12:03 Wombert <ae:parameter name="extract">subpat</ae:parameter>
12:03 Wombert <ae:parameter name="export">foobar_trimmed</ae:parameter>
12:03 Wombert </validator>
12:03 MikeSeth Jarda: you could ask the validation manager for the rules, no?
12:03 Jarda MikeSeth: how?
12:03 Wombert Jarda: no, what I mean is
12:03 Wombert why not have some sort of trick
12:03 MikeSeth Jarda: dont remember, look in the API docs :>
12:03 Wombert that if you call the action via ajax with a param
12:03 Wombert it will not run it
12:03 Wombert but run all validators
12:03 Wombert and send back results as JSON
12:03 Wombert Jarda: you can go through all registered validators
12:03 Wombert and also get their parameters
12:04 Wombert but that of course means you need to have corresponding functionality for each one on the client side
12:04 Jarda are the validators for method="write" registered in executeRead?
12:04 Wombert no
12:05 Jarda http://flowplayer.org/tools/demos/validator/custom-validators.html
12:05 Jarda this is the thing I'm talking about
12:05 MikeSeth Wombert: as it stands right now I have two options, write a filter that autotrims all action arguments, or write a sublcass of regexp validator that supports trim
12:05 Jarda I want to have responsible client side validation
12:05 MikeSeth otherwise I'll have to hack all validation XMLs to add trimming where regex is involved
12:05 Jarda I can of course do this already: http://flowplayer.org/tools/demos/validator/server-side.html
12:06 Jarda just have the errorview returning my errorneous fields as json
12:06 Wombert MikeSeth: lemme fix dis
12:06 Wombert MikeSeth: you realize string validtor supports trim
12:06 Wombert right?
12:06 Jarda but I want to be able to give validation parameters in InputView, as I already have them in my xml :)
12:07 MikeSeth Wombert: yes but I am not about to go and add a truck of validators for 30 argument actions
12:08 Wombert is it such a big problem, really, MikeSeth?
12:08 Wombert won't most non-trimmed values fail validation anyway?
12:08 MikeSeth Wombert: I have retard users typing space after their username during signup
12:08 Wombert bahaha
12:08 MikeSeth fails to signup = lost money
12:08 Wombert :>
12:08 Wombert right
12:09 Jarda Wombert: do you mean I would do something like executeWrite() { if ($rd->getParameter('onlyvalidators')) { return 'ValidationParameters'; } //If not, proceed as usual }
12:10 Jarda and in MyActionValidationParametersView I would get the registered validators for write request?
12:10 Jarda as JSON
12:10 Wombert I'd simply return the validation result as JSON
12:10 Jarda Wombert: but the validation results is not what I want, afaik :)
12:10 Wombert hm
12:11 Jarda as it doesn't return any errors for empty fiels
12:11 Jarda but they still might have parameters
12:12 Jarda this would be doable with the snippet I just provided, but this would then trigger to requests (one GET and one POST) for each form opening
12:12 Jarda s/to/two/
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12:12 Jarda IMO there should be a way to ask validation manager "What are the validation rules for this action with WRITE method"
12:14 Wombert MikeSeth: http://pastie.org/955117
12:15 Wombert Jarda: probably...
12:15 Wombert there is AgaviExecutionContainer::registerValidators()...
12:15 Wombert but that heavily depends on the code generated from the config
12:15 Wombert (you could always load that config, btw :p)
12:16 Jarda hmm
12:16 MikeSeth Wombert: you should check that in :> I already wrote a custom regex validator that trims
12:19 Wombert WORKS
12:19 Wombert WHEE
12:19 Wombert <3
12:19 Wombert array
12:19 Wombert 'username' => string ' Wombert ' (length=9)
12:19 Wombert 'password' => string '123qwe' (length=6)
12:19 Wombert 'remember' => string 'on' (length=2)
12:19 Wombert 'foo' => string 'Wom' (length=3)
12:19 Wombert with
12:19 Wombert <ae:parameter name="pattern">#^\s*(?'foo'[a-zA-Z]{3})#</ae:parameter>
12:19 Wombert <ae:parameter name="extract">foo</ae:parameter>
12:19 Wombert <ae:parameter name="export">foo</ae:parameter>
12:19 Wombert (?'name'...) is a named subpattern
12:20 Wombert you can also do (?P<name>...) but that's not as convenient when using XML
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12:23 MikeSeth man if only you switched to git :P
12:23 MikeSeth i can't live without git anymore, I even use it for system administrator
12:23 MikeSeth installing new mail box:
12:23 MikeSeth cd /etc/postfix
12:23 MikeSeth git init
12:23 MikeSeth nano main.cf
12:23 MikeSeth ...
12:23 Wombert :D
12:24 Wombert you'd like homebrew then...
12:24 MikeSeth dunno cheap branching makes MikeSeth really happy
12:24 Wombert http://github.com/mxcl/homebrew
12:24 Wombert yeah, it's growing on me, too
12:24 Wombert mostly because patching things is not a matter of... making a patch and... fuck... emailing it? uploading it? booh
12:24 Wombert no
12:24 Wombert fork on github, fix, send a pull request, done
12:25 Wombert you can even apply pull requests *inside* github's interface
12:25 Wombert that's so fucking awesome
12:25 MikeSeth also stashes
12:25 Wombert yea
12:25 Wombert git stash, right?
12:25 MikeSeth hell yes
12:25 Wombert puts away your current changes?
12:25 Wombert yeah
12:25 MikeSeth stashes kinda creepd on me
12:26 Jarda Wombert: when is agavi going to be on github?
12:26 MikeSeth i just realized at some point of time that I can ACTUALLY stop whatever I am doing right now, stash away the current uncommitted changes, switch to another branch, fix bug, merge to master, push, go to production, pull, go back to emacs, switch back to my branch, pop the changes and keep on work
12:26 MikeSeth WITHOUT THINKING
12:27 MikeSeth wtf I have Boxxy as desktop background
12:27 Jarda Boxxy <3
12:27 Wombert but but but but
12:27 Wombert isn't there an emacs command that does all this with one keystroke?
12:28 Wombert :>>
12:28 v-dogg :D
12:28 v-dogg emacs doesn't have any one keystore commands
12:28 MikeSeth Wombert: now that you mention it I can write one
12:28 v-dogg min. 3 strokes
12:29 MikeSeth v-dogg: slanderous heathen!
12:29 Jarda Wombert: but back to my client side validation! Can this be easily achived with 1.0 or does it need modifications to agavi?
12:29 Wombert http://xkcd.com/378/
12:29 Wombert :>
12:29 Wombert Jarda: so do you want to get all validation rules?
12:30 Jarda Wombert: I want to get all the rules that can make my validation file (I'm good with only xml rules, no need for validate() etc)
12:30 Jarda s/file/fail/
12:30 Wombert Jarda: http://pastie.org/955128
12:30 Wombert that's what Agavi generates from a validation config
12:30 Wombert would that be enough?
12:31 Wombert lemme check something quick...
12:31 Wombert Jarda: reload http://pastie.org/955128
12:31 Wombert spot the if($method) at the top?
12:31 Wombert that could actually be perfect for you
12:32 Wombert simply write some kind of filter
12:32 Wombert that includes this file
12:32 Wombert and set $method to your taste
12:32 Wombert then grab all validators from the VM
12:32 Wombert and extract the rules you know
12:32 Wombert or all of them
12:32 Wombert and let the client handle it
12:32 Wombert but mind dependencies etc
12:33 Jarda humm humm, so should I create a new instance of AgaviValidationManager and then run this and yeah.. that could be doable to be pretty generic
12:33 Wombert maybe you could have something like
12:33 Wombert <ae:parameter name="com.saippuakivikauppias.kahvipaussi.clientside">true</ae:parameter>
12:33 Wombert on validators you want to run on the client side
12:33 Wombert Jarda: you could even use the current container's VM
12:34 Jarda of course it would be more cool if this would be in core agavi :)
12:34 Wombert well
12:34 Wombert hmmm
12:34 Wombert I'm sure there are ways to do this
12:34 Wombert :>
12:34 Wombert oh
12:34 Wombert actually
12:34 Wombert there will be
12:34 Wombert because I'm implementing a validtion filter for 1.1!
12:34 Jarda $this->getContainer()->getValidationManager()->getValidationRules('write'); or something similar :)
12:34 Wombert it's almost done actually
12:34 Wombert and then you would subclass that filter
12:34 Wombert and
12:34 Wombert humm
12:34 Wombert yeah
12:34 Jarda I'd like to have 1.1 branched
12:35 Wombert and then if there is a param or header
12:35 Jarda don't feel like developing against trunk
12:35 Wombert then you bail out
12:35 Wombert well, get over it :)
12:35 Wombert I can't help you with that
12:35 Wombert 1.1 will be branched when the first alpha/beta is out
12:35 Jarda ok
12:35 Jarda :)
12:35 Wombert I hope I can get some work done on that this week
12:35 Jarda oh, cool!
12:37 MikeSeth <ae:parameter name="com.saippuakivikauppias.kahvipaussi.clientside">
12:37 MikeSeth THE FUCK
12:38 MikeSeth rubs eyes
12:38 Wombert "com.soapstonevendor.coffebreak.clientside"
12:38 Wombert saippuakivikauppias is the world's longest palindrome :)
12:38 sth Liar.
12:39 Wombert saippuakalasalakauppias
12:39 Wombert saippuakuppinippukauppias
12:39 Wombert AWESOME
12:40 sth The longest palindromic word in the Oxford English Dictionary is the onomatopoeic tattarrattat
12:40 Wombert ENGLISH
12:40 Wombert dude
12:40 Wombert #
12:40 Wombert zomg
12:41 Wombert http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palindrome#Long_palindromes
12:41 sth No one cares about other languages.
12:41 sth Response to "saippuakivikauppias" being the longest palindrome: "Meh"
12:42 sth Response to "tattarrattat" being the longest English palindrome: "wow, I didn't know that"
12:42 Wombert no, the reply would be "wtf is tattarrattat"
12:42 Jarda brits..
12:42 Jarda they always ruin everythin
12:42 Wombert brits--
12:42 Wombert yes
12:42 Wombert wars
12:42 Wombert football
12:42 Wombert financial system
12:43 Wombert Jarda: just mind you that the format of the generated file can change
12:43 Wombert Jarda: so double-check when upgrading, at least major versions :)
12:43 Jarda yup
12:49 horros To be fair, the Italians ruin football more than the brits do.
12:50 sth We can't ruin football, it's our game.
12:50 saracen It's an American sport.
12:51 sth Nope
12:51 saracen Sure it was
12:51 saracen The Americans bought soccer over here just before the war
12:51 horros Don't mention the war!
12:51 saracen and we loved it so much, we named it after their football game which is more to do with hands
12:52 horros "hand egg"
12:52 horros I like watching Bundesliga.
12:55 Jarda I like wathing womens beach wolley
12:56 Jarda (as long as it's not germany or england playing)
12:58 horros hahahah
12:58 horros http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37I7VbNA6y0
12:58 horros Urban grind!
13:03 sth That's just noise.
13:04 v-dogg just like you! ;)
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13:06 sth v-dogg: I'll publish the photos of you drunk!
13:07 Wombert what photos of him drunk
13:07 Wombert oh
13:07 Wombert haha
13:07 sth Oh wait, wrong person
13:07 Wombert nevermind, sth
13:07 sth You finns are all a like :D
13:07 Wombert all Finns look the same
13:07 Wombert hahaha
13:07 Wombert hugs v-dogg
13:07 Wombert hugs ttj
13:08 Wombert I'm sure v-dogg will be humbled by the fact that he's just been compared to a man that wears galoshes
13:08 v-dogg ...
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13:14 CIA-74 david * r4528 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/validator/AgaviRegexValidator.class.php): Allow extraction of subpatterns in regex validator, closes #1283
13:18 CIA-74 david * r4529 /branches/1.0/RELEASE_NOTES: mini ref to #1283
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13:26 Jarda :D
13:27 v-dogg let's not forget Wombert wears pink sneakers
13:28 sth haha
13:28 sth Orange, but good guess.
13:28 sth He also wears a gay scarf.
13:29 Wombert THEY ARE NOT PINK
13:29 Wombert ZOMG
13:31 sth "They're lilac"...
13:32 steffkes :D
13:32 Jarda Wombert: which consumes less resources. Returning a response object from a routing callback or returning a fopen-handle from view? (Use case: I print a lot of thumbnails on one page but the thumbnails go "through" a filter {credential check etc})
13:32 Jarda I now return fopen from the view, but it still takes time to process 20-100 agavi actions on one page rendering
13:33 Wombert you can also set the fopen into the response in the routing callback
13:33 Wombert (that's just what Agavi does when you return it from a view)
13:33 Jarda of course I could move the thumbnails to pub/thumbs/ and only return a list of valid thumbnails.. humm...
13:33 Wombert $response->setContent(fopen(...));
13:33 Jarda and then filter the actual files through agavi
13:34 Wombert and if you then have "use_sendfile_header" enabled and mod_sendfile or similar installed
13:34 Wombert Agavi will return ASAP and have the webserver deliver the content
13:34 Jarda but returning a response object from a routing callback prevents action execution, right?
13:34 Wombert so you'd be looking at a few milliseconds overhead for Agavi startup, session opening, routing
13:34 Wombert yes
13:34 Jarda yup, cool
13:35 Wombert are you using Doctrine, Jarda?
13:36 Jarda so I can actually have something like <route pattern="^/thumbnails/(id:\d+)/(filename:\S+)$"><callbacks>....</callbacks></rou​te> without an action?
13:36 Jarda no, I use propel all the way
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13:36 steffkes propel .. uah ;o
13:36 Jarda (and I'm experiencing couchdb atm)
13:36 Yossi__ Huomenta
13:36 Wombert and for sessions?
13:36 Jarda steffkes: propel 1.5 is very nice <3
13:36 Jarda normally my sessions are in files
13:36 steffkes Jarda, i don't like the criteria foo =/
13:36 Jarda steffkes: 1.5 doesn't use criteria :)
13:37 Jarda (well it uses it internaly)
13:37 Jarda I'm waiting for AgaviMemcachedStorage
13:37 steffkes Jarda, no? then it was perhaps 1.3/1.4 that does? never checked backed after that the time .. about 1 year ago ..
13:37 Jarda (I know it's in trac)
13:37 Yossi__ is it possible with xml validation - to get somthing like $date as MM/dd/yyyy and $time as HH:MM and combine them to export a timestamp?
13:37 Jarda steffkes: yup, 1.3 and 1.4 uses Criteria
13:37 Jarda 1.5 introduced PropelQuery
13:38 Jarda which is like $foos = FooQuery::create()->filterByName('Foo');
13:38 Jarda Yossi__: it is
13:38 Wombert Jarda: why?
13:38 Jarda http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_13
13:38 Wombert why not use ext/memcache?
13:38 Wombert it has a session handler and locking
13:38 Jarda Wombert: humm, the php extension?=
13:38 Wombert yes
13:39 Wombert you'd need that anyway
13:39 Jarda because I haven't tried it :)
13:39 Wombert and it has session locking
13:39 Jarda maybe I just have to check it out
13:39 Wombert both ext/memcache and ext/memcached have session handlers with locking, afaik
13:39 Wombert locking makes sure one request finishes before the next one is handled
13:39 Wombert otherwise you get session race conditions
13:39 Wombert e.g.
13:39 Wombert one tab loads a list of search results
13:39 Wombert which takes 10s
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13:39 Wombert session open, <sql query...>
13:40 Wombert in the meantime, you add something to your cart in the other tab
13:40 Jarda session handling with memcached + routing callbacks should minimize the agavi execution overhead to pretty minimum
13:40 Wombert search query finishes, and writes back the *old* session data it had, without the item in the cart
13:40 Wombert boom, item gone
13:40 Wombert session race conditions are really, really ugly
13:40 Wombert and hard to solve, especially in a framework
13:40 Jarda they are
13:41 Wombert Jarda: make sure you use mod_sendfile
13:41 Wombert that gives a big boost
13:41 Jarda I should be using
13:41 Yossi__ Jarda: example one gets dd.MM.yyyy and casts it to another format. the second example get day,month,yeah and combines them with AgaviDateDefenitions:DATE|MONTH|YEAR
13:41 Wombert IO and throughput wise, and also because the PHP process can exit as soon as the response starts sending
13:41 Yossi__ however
13:42 Jarda Yossi__: wait a Sec, I'll give you an example
13:42 Wombert Jarda: really? combining date and time into one? nice
13:42 Yossi__ there are no defentions for HH:MM or MM/dd/yyyyy ... so I don't know how to combine them
13:44 Jarda http://pastebin.org/221365
13:44 Jarda I hope this was what you meant
13:44 Jarda had to dig a lot in the source for this
13:44 Jarda (when I wrote it, I mean)
13:44 Yossi__ Jarda: Brilliant, thanks
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13:50 Wombert rofl
13:50 Wombert Jarda
13:50 Wombert that works, really?
13:51 Wombert nice
13:51 Wombert although it should use ${} rather than sprintf I think
13:51 Wombert but oh well...
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14:04 Yossi__ Another question, if in exported an argument in validation - can I further validate the exported argument in the xml file?
14:05 Yossi__ for instance if add time and date for $startime and time2 and date to $endtime can I then validate them against each other ?
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14:05 Xylakant Yossi__: that should work
14:05 Yossi__ cool
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14:07 Wombert yes, sure, Yossi__
14:29 Jarda Wombert: yup it does work
14:29 Jarda at least for me
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14:37 Wombert oi J-P_
14:37 J-P_ what's up ?
14:38 Jarda Wombert: you could make agavi more popular and I could start offering agavi consulting (or insulting) in scandinavia
14:38 Jarda because being a consult must be great fun!
14:47 v-dogg must be!
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14:59 sth It's not too bad :)
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15:05 Jarda sth or Wombert, how long does it take to drive from munich to a place where I can take a ferry to Finland?
15:06 Jarda (I was thinking of combining Octoberfest and bying an Audi from Germany) :)
15:09 Wombert can you take a ferry from Denmark?
15:10 Wombert that'd take you ~10hrs or so
15:10 v-dogg why not take the ferry to Rostock?
15:10 Jarda from rostock
15:10 v-dogg oh, yes that way :)
15:10 Jarda I would fly to germany
15:11 Jarda and drive an audi to finland
15:11 Wombert ah
15:11 Wombert 8 hours maybe
15:11 Wombert depends on what Audi you buy :>
15:11 v-dogg I was just about to say ... :)
15:11 Jarda was thinking of A6 2.5TDI
15:11 Wombert model year?
15:11 Jarda something between 2004-2006
15:11 Jarda no idea what they cost in Germany
15:11 Jarda the familywagons
15:13 Wombert max mileage?
15:13 Jarda <150 000 preferred
15:13 Jarda km that is
15:13 Wombert 20k+
15:13 Jarda k
15:14 Wombert lots of 3.0 and 2.7s
15:14 Wombert mind you the 2.7 has that CVT gearbox
15:15 Jarda hmm hmm, have to think about it. Might bee too heavy though to drink lots of beer and then drive back home :D
15:15 bascht profile Jarda
15:15 bascht *argh*
15:16 Jarda :)
15:16 bascht Jarda: I was about to type right the same question - how you'd imagine to _buy_ and _drive_ a car right _after_ Octoberfest
15:17 Jarda well, I'm from Finland :)
15:17 Jarda we are used to be drunk all the time
15:17 skade yeah, but you are not used to rush from munich to rostock in potent car while being drunk :)
15:18 Jarda we aren't?
15:18 Jarda :)
15:20 Xylakant especially since controls are pretty strict around the octoberfest
15:20 bascht well, yep. our finish guest student actually did pretty well on his way home (by bike) after ~ 8 beer
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15:23 Wombert of course he was
15:23 Wombert he's Finnish
15:23 Wombert ask ttj about that one time where he "lost" is wallet...
15:24 bascht heh
15:28 bascht that guy from university was also pretty much hardcore. He once told me a story, when he went drinking with his pals in finland.
15:29 bascht he wanted to go sure, to not lose his wallet and phone, so he only had some money and his passport in his pockets
15:29 bascht next morning he woke up in a foreign car - without his pants.
15:30 Jarda those kind of things just happen
15:30 bascht i guess
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15:31 Jarda it's pretty normal
15:34 sth We've gone drinking and left people on the train sleeping
15:35 sth Once, we went drinking and left a guy on the train and took his wallet, he woke up in Wales
15:35 sth I miss university.
15:36 skade we had the habit of insisting that our driver is not drunk in front of the police
15:37 skade more fun for us, less for the driver :)
15:41 Wombert MikeSeth: poek
15:41 Wombert sth: rofl
15:43 Xylakant sth: you changed the layout for the docs on the website and removed both the links to the api docs and to the faq
15:43 Xylakant not good
15:44 Xylakant now I need to memorize them
15:44 Xylakant :(
15:44 sth agavi.org/apidocs
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15:45 sth But I do need to add them back
15:45 sth But it's adding them in a way that doesn't suck
15:46 Xylakant well, it's more the faq link that hurts ;)
15:46 sth http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html :D
15:47 sth I have an idea for how to add them so it doesn't suck
15:47 sth I'll add them in a minute
15:57 CIA-74 david * r4530 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php): Fix #1279: PHP 5.2.6 bug breaks FPF
16:03 Wombert ^^^ that's for you, MikeSeth
16:06 MikeSeth Wombert: 220 ohai
16:06 Wombert MikeSeth: can you test that please?
16:07 MikeSeth umm that wasn't really my bug, I filed it for someone else
16:07 MikeSeth but ill check it out
16:09 Wombert it should work fine as DOMDocument is a DOMNode and the type hint
16:09 Wombert ok
16:09 Wombert (put that person on CC next time)
16:09 Wombert (trac won't reveal email addresses)
16:09 Wombert (always handy when we have questions regarding a ticket)
16:10 MikeSeth that'd be nice if I remembered who that was AND could change my password ;>
16:30 Wombert on trac?
16:30 Wombert that's now LDAP-backed
16:31 Wombert so you probably can't change your password at the moment
16:32 sth You can if you know the URL
16:33 MikeSeth The password file could not be updated. Trac requires read and write access to both the password file and its parent directory.
16:33 MikeSeth I don't think this is a LDAP problem
16:33 Wombert MikeSeth: https://projects.bitextender.net/bitextender/passwd/ldap_passwd.php
16:34 Wombert log in with your current user/pw
16:34 sth I wasn't going to just paste that in...
16:34 Wombert cert is issued by CACert, so trust their root cert first rather than just trusting ours
16:34 Wombert www.cacert.org
16:34 MikeSeth Wombert: I don't KNOW my current pw.. that's why I am trying to reset it :P
16:34 Wombert it's pretty ironic btw that you can't get CACert root certs through a secure connection ;)
16:34 Wombert MikeSeth: oh :p
16:34 Wombert but how did you file the ticket last week then?
16:34 MikeSeth anonymously
16:34 Wombert MikeSeth: want me to reset it for you?
16:35 MikeSeth Wombert: yes please
16:35 sth Since I have no idea if allows access to other projects on the box...
16:36 Wombert it does
16:36 Wombert it's all one identity store
16:36 sth Sure, but the ACL for say, the agavi site might not be set and only require a valid user...
16:40 MikeSeth speaking of which you did kill my svn account on your dev box didn't you?
16:43 Wombert what dev box?
16:45 Yossi__ how would I validate that two parameters don't have the same value (string)?
16:46 Jarda Yossi__: in xml validation?
16:46 Yossi__ yup
16:46 Jarda wrap an equal-validator in a not-validator?
16:47 Jarda *equals
16:47 Yossi__ hmmm good idea
16:54 Yossi__ works
17:00 Jarda nice
17:01 Jarda now off to home
17:01 Jarda been here 10 hours :o
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17:25 sth I really need to stop using "Hans Gruber" as the demo name for everything
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17:55 bascht sth: Did you get a call from Mr. Gruber?
18:12 Xylakant Well, you could start using "Hans Reiser"
18:13 sth ha, I remember the tshirts that come from him
18:14 sth "Use ReiserFS or Hans will kill you and your fucking family"
18:15 Xylakant well. he meant that for sure.
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19:20 movvy hello
19:22 sth Xylakant: ping?
19:22 Xylakant hmm?
19:23 sth Pushing an updated copy of the agavi site, with links to the API docs and FAQ
19:24 movvy so do the agavi shell scripts do anything special other then creat a file in the correct path?
19:24 sth That's their main task
19:24 movvy or can i manually create them to save time
19:24 sth you can if you want
19:25 movvy i didnt know if they like edited a configuration or something at all
19:25 movvy i guess they also add a few headers
19:25 sth The error rate will just go up.
19:25 movvy and a standard class
19:25 movvy i understand
19:25 Xylakant movvy: well, if you create an action, the build script will create
19:25 Xylakant - the action
19:25 Xylakant - the appropriate views
19:25 movvy is there a windows version
19:25 Xylakant - the caching config
19:25 Xylakant - the validation stub
19:25 movvy the reason i get annoyed is because i have to sync to my shell
19:25 movvy creat over there, repo back
19:25 Xylakant - the template stubs
19:26 movvy yeah so alot, that answers my question
19:26 Xylakant the build script works just fine on windows
19:26 movvy where is it located?
19:26 sth Xylakant: http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial
19:27 Xylakant there's the agavi-dist for all shell users (unix, mac) and in the same directory you'll find agavi.bat-dist
19:27 Xylakant which is the windows batch file
19:27 Xylakant if you installed agavi using pear, you'll find the executable wherever your pear drops executables
19:28 movvy hmm
19:28 Xylakant sth: thanks, could we make that more prominent? i actually preferred the old way
19:28 Xylakant it sort of looks like the first part of the guide
19:28 movvy both of my bin folders only have a file named agavi :)
19:28 sth The old way was in the top right?
19:29 movvy i will dl it from agavi.org
19:29 Xylakant sth: yes
19:29 sth sure
19:30 Xylakant movvy: did you try calling the file?
19:30 movvy C:\Users\chadstachowicz\Documents\survey\bin
19:30 movvy '""@PHP-BIN@""' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
19:30 movvy operable program or batch file.
19:31 movvy i removed the -dist at the end obviously
19:31 movvy maybe im running it the wrong way? :)
19:32 movvy im guessing that i need php installed on this desktop
19:32 movvy let me try that first :)
19:33 Xylakant well, you need to plug in the proper path
19:33 Xylakant you'll also need php installed, certainly
19:39 sth back to the default version
19:40 Xylakant I do prefer that
19:41 Xylakant thanks
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20:07 movvy C:\Users\chadstachowicz\Documents\OperationPortal\bin
20:07 movvy hmm
20:07 movvy i tried to replace @PHPBIN@
20:07 movvy with my windows path to php.exe
20:08 movvy i think its my path with a space in it
20:08 movvy i must need to escape a space?
20:09 sth yup
20:09 Jarda sth: what you did to agavi site
20:09 sth Jarda: I haxed it
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20:09 Jarda so you know it renders like shit whit webkit? :)
20:09 Jarda http://screencast.com/t/ODliNjA5O
20:10 sth It renders fine in webkit.
20:11 Wombert Jarda: that's a twitter API timeout
20:11 sth http://imgur.com/XWL5n.png
20:11 movvy i dont understand what i need to do :<
20:11 movvy SET PHP_EXECUTABLE="C:\Program Files (x86)\PHP\php.exe"
20:11 sth movvy: you need to escape the slashes and spaces
20:11 movvy what is the escape charachter for bat?
20:12 sth \
20:12 Jarda ohe yeah
20:12 sth Jarda: fail :)
20:12 Jarda it was the twitter
20:12 Jarda well it still did render like shit
20:12 sth That's Wombert's fault
20:13 movvy hm stll fails at the space
20:13 sth He did that crap :)
20:13 movvy always fails at the space
20:13 Wombert move it to c:\ ;)
20:13 Wombert a lot of other things will break with spaces in pathnames too
20:13 sth Or use short paths
20:13 Wombert like... libxml
20:13 Wombert yeah, that's another option
20:13 Wombert dir /x or something
20:14 sth C:\Progra~1\PHP\php.exe iirc
20:14 Wombert well that is the question
20:14 Wombert Progra~2 I guess
20:14 sth maybe
20:14 Wombert because Progra~1 would be "C:\Program Files"
20:14 Wombert whereas Progra~2 is "C:\Program Files (x86)"
20:14 Wombert (I guess)
20:16 movvy lol
20:16 movvy ok both work
20:16 movvy i guess the next question is that this @PEAR-DIR@
20:16 movvy must also be replaces?
20:16 sth yes
20:17 sth Do you have this installed via pear?
20:17 sth s/this/agavi/
20:17 sth if so, in a project type: agavi bin-create
20:18 Wombert if you bundle agavi with your project
20:18 Wombert and I guess you do
20:18 Wombert then put the path to agavi in there
20:18 Jarda what the fuck. We use agavi cli helper with windows and we definetly don't use pear
20:18 sth Jarda: It's a place holder
20:19 Jarda we have project local agavi (as it should always be) and then we just copy the agavi.bat from bin/ to dev\agavi.bar
20:19 Jarda and replace the one variable with libs\agavi
20:19 Jarda and we are good to go
20:19 movvy lol
20:19 movvy so I got it to work however, it doesnt do anything
20:19 movvy it runs error free
20:20 movvy it seems all its doing is calling the agavi.php script :)
20:20 Wombert what does "it doesn't do anything" mean?
20:20 movvy it just gives me a blank line
20:20 Wombert ...
20:20 Wombert php.ini
20:20 movvy like in cmd i browse type
20:20 Wombert display_errors = On
20:20 movvy agavi.bat
20:20 Wombert error_reporting = E_ALL | E_STRICT
20:21 movvy looks like i need phing for windows
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20:22 movvy or maybe phing is just php files
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20:23 Jarda no you definetly need phing
20:23 sth it is, it's a pear package
20:24 movvy maybe i need pear for windows
20:24 Jarda yup
20:24 Jarda well it's easy
20:24 Wombert go-pear
20:24 Jarda just "php go-pear.php"
20:24 Wombert there is even a go-pear.bat
20:24 Jarda oh there is?
20:24 Jarda (I bet it just calls php go-pear.php)
20:25 movvy this is like chinese
20:25 movvy wtf is go-pear
20:26 Jarda movvy: look your php installation directory
20:26 movvy i did
20:26 movvy i just installed it, i looked before i asked
20:26 Jarda well, then take the zip version from php.net, it has the go-pear.php file
20:26 Jarda if the installer (yack) doesn't have it
20:27 movvy ahh
20:27 movvy ou must choose to install the extras
20:27 movvy it is not default on the php installation for windows
20:27 v-dogg (lol)
20:28 Jarda I never use the installer
20:28 v-dogg to "install" php you unzip the package and set two lines into apache's httpd.conf
20:28 Jarda as the zip works just fine
20:28 v-dogg the installer is just sillyness
20:31 movvy ahh
20:31 movvy now i understand
20:31 movvy i never even know what pear was
20:31 movvy thats pretty waesome
20:31 sth the installer doesn't work
20:31 movvy man im retarded
20:31 sth it only works with IIS
20:32 v-dogg pear? awesome? oh boy... :D
20:34 movvy haha
20:35 movvy anyways i got pear installed and it still seems to give me the error regarding phind
20:35 Jarda I dislike pear a lot
20:35 movvy phing
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20:35 Jarda well, did you install phing?
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20:38 movvy when i do pear install phing/phing it tries to do shit and eventually says failed
20:38 movvy this seems to be a common let down of many of these repo systems
20:39 v-dogg did you install the phinh channel?
20:39 v-dogg phing
20:40 Jarda (pear channel-discover pear.phing.info)
20:40 Jarda iirc
20:40 movvy that did something
20:40 movvy now i try the other command
20:40 movvy Jarda that one succeeded
20:41 v-dogg did you happen to read the intallation instructions on phing.info?
20:41 movvy i think me and you both know that answer after this discussion :)
20:41 movvy ok it seems to be installed now
20:41 movvy after adding the channel
20:42 movvy im gonna go try and find the install guide
20:43 movvy because somehow i have to relate phing/phing in the php files of agavi to phings installation in windows
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20:43 v-dogg ?
20:44 v-dogg no you don't need to do anything to agavi's files (except agavi.bat)
20:46 v-dogg what does "phing -v" say?
20:46 Jarda yup, phing should be automatically in your include_path
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20:48 movvy sorry can't find php.exe file
20:49 movvy im not sure which file i need to edit
20:49 movvy i did pear.bat already
20:49 Jarda most likely you didn't answer right to the go-pear.php question about php-path..
20:49 Jarda you need to define the full path (C:\...etc)
20:50 Jarda I suggest you remove phing and modify the reg-file go-pear created, and then run the reg-file
20:50 v-dogg but hey, wait
20:50 v-dogg I remember similar difficulties with the latest phing
20:51 v-dogg did they break it so that it makes some retarted assumption about php.exe's whereabouts?
20:51 v-dogg I seem to recall I had to modify some phing's .bat to get it right
20:52 Jarda nono, it's pear
20:52 Jarda I just had those similar problems
20:52 Jarda when I answered the default to go-pear question about php-bin location
20:52 movvy Jarda, i found the ini and fixed it
20:52 movvy phing -v
20:52 movvy C:\Users\chadstachowicz\Documents\OperationPortal\bin
20:52 movvy god damnit
20:52 movvy Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required 'phing/Project.php' (includ
20:52 movvy e_path='.;C:\php5\pear') in C:\PHP\PEAR\phing\Phing.php on line 22
20:53 v-dogg pear's awesomeness :)
20:53 movvy php5 doesnt even exist
20:53 Jarda (it was .\php.exe or something similar) and I needed to answer C:\php5\php.exe
20:53 v-dogg ok
20:53 movvy ahh
20:53 movvy i just went to php.exe
20:53 movvy sec
20:54 v-dogg why is pear such a huge pile of elephant dung
20:54 movvy are you telling me that i actually have to use the dir strcutre php5 ?
20:54 v-dogg it is so sad
20:55 Jarda no, just fix your include_path
20:55 Jarda in php.ini
20:56 movvy omg
20:56 movvy it worked
20:57 movvy well i mean phing -v
20:57 movvy lol
20:57 movvy thanks Jarda
20:57 movvy and v-dogg
20:57 movvy now lets try agavi again
20:58 movvy C:\Users\chadstachowicz\Documents\OperationPortal\bin
20:58 movvy Fatal error: Call to a member function getConfigurator() on a non-object in C:\P
20:58 movvy HP\PEAR\phing\Project.php on line 568
20:58 movvy that is what i get now with agavi.bat
20:58 movvy that looks like broken phing to me
20:59 Jarda which agavi version?
20:59 movvy good question jarda, what the easiest way to find out
20:59 v-dogg version.php in agavi dir
20:59 movvy hmm
20:59 movvy how to run it on windows ;)
21:00 movvy just point strigt to the php?
21:00 Jarda open it with your editor
21:00 movvy RC3
21:01 movvy 1.0.2
21:01 movvy should i upgrade to 1.0(3)?
21:01 Jarda yup
21:01 Jarda 1.0.3
21:01 movvy is all i have to do replace the agavi dir?
21:02 Jarda yup
21:03 movvy hopefully no major code changes i will have to make?
21:03 Jarda no
21:03 Jarda all BC
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21:03 movvy BC = Backend?
21:03 Jarda backwards compatible
21:05 movvy check this out, I think it runs now :)
21:05 movvy you guys freaking just rock
21:05 movvy and i now know how to upgrade agavi
21:06 movvy that great, I got it working and tested
21:10 movvy how do you just do a quick redirect in html?
21:10 movvy like in agavi
21:10 movvy in the view
21:10 movvy whats the easiest way?
21:11 Jarda $this->getResponse()->setRedirect($url);
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21:36 movvy awesome i got all that i wanted to working, including the bonus of getting all this stuff working for agavi on windows
21:36 movvy that was massive and an upgrade procedure with agavi.. all and all great stuff, and thanks for all the help
21:36 movvy one more question, does anyone have a good example of using SOAP based API with agavi
21:37 movvy i want to me a small authenticated API somehow, any examples or pointers, places to look etc...
21:39 Jarda well the sample app /branches/1.0/samples has some soap examples
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22:35 matbtt_ ...good evening.
22:36 matbtt_ ...according to documentation deeper nesting of routes is better for performance, but I feel it is getting ugly very fast
22:38 matbtt_ If you are using REST you have a resource collection and the respective resource. If additional routes depending on the resource are added the generation of the route looks like
22:38 matbtt_ example: characters.character.invitations.invitation
22:39 matbtt_ Bahh, is there a better way, at least to divide routing for resource and resource collection?
22:40 matbtt_ ...wait. It is worse. As the character depends on the account the route would be account.characters.character... and so on
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03:46 movvy i cant get the example remember button to work
03:47 movvy my cookie isnever set
03:47 movvy hasCookie('autologin') always returns false :<
03:47 movvy although i have verified during the login process it is set...any idea or configuration with php i may have incorrect?
03:48 movvy or maybe its a configuration in my browser?
05:30 Jarda movvy: did you validate the cookie in validate.xml?
05:31 Jarda erm... validate/YourAction.xml
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09:02 MikeSeth huomenta minna-san
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09:45 Yossi_ HUOMENTA
09:56 _cheerios huomenta
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10:45 Jarda hurr durr, is there a way to set output_type for flow tests?
10:45 Jarda running a view test is not what I want right now
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10:48 Jarda (there is)
10:50 Jarda oh, the flow tests are useless if not dealing with html output :/
10:52 Jarda Wombert, Xylakant:
10:52 Jarda 11:48:21 < Jarda> (there is)
10:52 Jarda ...
10:52 Jarda stupid paste
10:52 Jarda Wombert, Xylakant: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/testing/AgaviFlowTestCase.class.p​hp#L41
10:52 Jarda this can't be intentional?
10:53 Xylakant in what respect are they useless?
10:53 Xylakant no, that's a typo
10:53 Wombert where is that property set anyway?
10:53 Wombert oh
10:53 Wombert abstract
10:53 Jarda Xylakant: well I'd like to match my json is what is to be expected, and I can't see any method to get the response
10:54 Jarda only the "assertResponseHasTag" methods
10:54 Xylakant $this->respone?
10:54 CIA-74 david * r4531 /branches/1.0/src/testing/AgaviFlowTestCase.class.php: fix typo
10:54 sth wtf
10:54 Jarda oh true, it's protected, not private :)
10:54 Jarda I was searching for getResponse()
10:54 Jarda :)
10:54 Xylakant yes, certainly
10:55 CIA-74 david * r4532 /branches/1.0/samples/app/config/settings.xml: logging in debug mode for ze sample app
10:56 Jarda is there a reason AgaviFlowTestCase doesn't extend AgaviUnitTestCase?
10:57 sth mmm, they're replacing the backwards logo on the door
10:58 horros humm
10:58 horros according to firefox, my ajax-request took minus 11 milliseconds!
10:59 sth win
10:59 Wombert horros: make more requests and travel back in time :>
10:59 horros That's rather quick. And probably explains why it fails with an uncaught exception too.
10:59 sth timetravelling ajax.
10:59 horros there's no data available as it finished before it even started :(
11:00 CIA-74 david * r4533 /trunk/ (31 files in 14 dirs): merge [4527:4532/branches/1.0]
11:01 Xylakant Jarda: yes, certainly. A Flow Test is fundamentally different from a Unit test. That's why it does not inherit from AgaviUnitTestcase
11:02 Jarda ok
11:02 Jarda I just realized that. I would have to figure out how to have logged in user for flow test
11:05 horros right. off to the vet -->
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11:09 Jarda oh, forgot to run my initializeUser
11:09 Jarda this is not my day
11:09 Jarda god damn
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13:39 sth btopenworld? Either you've moved to the UK, or you're in a starbucks
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14:21 MikeSeth blog.agavi.org is down?
14:22 sth tumblr must be down
14:23 sth it seems to work for me
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15:57 steffkes hey guys .. short Q - anyone knows when Wombert will join again?
16:09 sth I can ask him to join after he's done
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17:08 MikeSeth steffkes: what do you need?
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17:50 saracen sth: The NHS have just sent me an amazing letter
17:50 sth pics?
17:51 saracen They've had a laptop stolen from their eye clinic, which contained a photo of the back of my eye, my name, sex, age and ethnicity.
17:52 saracen But it's the way they keep reassuring me they're taking it very seriously and are trying to get back the laptop with the help of the police
17:52 saracen What the fuck is anybody going to achieve with that information. It doesn't have my address, or anything. I doubt walking in to a bank, without any ID but a picture of the back of my eye will help them.
17:52 steffkes MikeSeth, i need David ;D
17:53 saracen steffkes: If it turns out to be an Agavi related question any of us could help you with, David will invade you.
17:53 steffkes saracen, please stop .. i know that .. it's just an private question, okay? :)
17:54 saracen We're all friends here
17:54 saracen You can tell us.
17:54 sth heh
17:54 sth I can rely it for when he gets out of the meeting...
17:55 sth relay*
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18:52 sth hahahahahaha http://clientsfromhell.net/post/573461767/marketing-people-in-germany-like-to-us​e-the
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19:00 steffkes :D
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19:43 Jarda sth: :D
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20:55 movvy heh
20:55 movvy maybe if they want to trick retina scanners
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21:03 Jarda god damn, why can't html tags have more ways to assign metadata..
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21:56 _cheerios SUOMIII!!!!
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21:58 kaos|work USA :P
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22:30 MikeSeth Wombert: steffkes was looking for you
22:30 MikeSeth oh hai Dominik
22:34 _cheerios kaos|work, no. SUOMIIIII!!!!
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23:19 saracen 19:54:09 < movvy> maybe if they want to trick retina scanners
23:20 saracen It's an image of the back of my eye :)
23:20 saracen Not even the front!
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23:26 MikeSeth begs for a CSI rip
23:26 Wombert fuck you slideshare
23:27 Wombert fuck you fuck you fuck you
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23:49 ttj 'sup, Wombert?
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10:36 bascht anybody around firm with array validation?
10:36 MikeSeth what's the question?
10:37 bascht I need to validate input that should go into a doctrine I18n array.
10:37 bascht like http://pastie.org/958338
10:38 bascht atm I am testing around with that validation config: http://pastie.org/958339
10:40 bascht but it just strips away the everying below the foo[0]['bar']*
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10:45 MikeSeth umum
10:45 MikeSeth you could do foo[][][]
10:45 MikeSeth or a nested/conditional validator
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10:57 bascht mhh - foo[][][] just throws an exception
11:00 MikeSeth mmmhmmm
11:00 MikeSeth here ask Wombert
11:00 MikeSeth he be the main wizard :P
11:00 bascht ;)
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11:00 Wombert wat hapen
11:01 bascht is in deeeep array validation troubles
11:01 Wombert if it helps
11:02 Wombert you could always tell yourself that Symfony couldn't do it at all :D
11:02 Wombert anyway
11:02 Wombert let's solve them then
11:02 Wombert got a pastie?
11:02 bascht growls
11:03 bascht 'k I won't mention sfForm.
11:03 bascht gimme a sec - I'm feeding pastie.
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11:06 bascht Wombert: here we go: http://pastie.org/958356
11:06 bascht I try to validate doctrine I18n input - so I basically need two different levels of the array structure
11:09 bascht just testing around with http://pastie.org/958361 strips out everything below the 2nd level
11:12 Wombert ponders
11:13 sth Morning
11:14 MikeSeth mongles sth
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11:29 Wombert bascht: http://pastie.org/958376
11:30 Wombert mind you it's not possible to validate array keys
11:30 Wombert you need to write your own validator for this
11:30 Wombert e.g.
11:31 Wombert http://pastie.org/958376
11:31 Wombert and MyTranslationValidator looks at the keys and flags the array if there are disallowed locales
11:31 Wombert or if some are missing
11:31 Wombert the error would be caught by a generic insertion rule in FPF, as it doesn't match an exact field, and end up above the form
11:34 bascht thx! I 'll give it a try.
11:39 sth sets fire to MikeSeth
11:41 bascht neat. I think I got it.
11:41 bascht thanks, Wombert
11:41 bascht steps back from MikeSeth
11:42 Wombert of course it's neat, bascht
11:42 Wombert it's Agavi :>
11:42 Wombert I like sfForm for one reason only
11:42 Wombert the form reuse/nesting feature
11:42 Wombert that's very cool
11:42 Wombert other than that, I think form libraries are a fucking pain
11:43 bascht yep, it's often misused and quiet a lot people just use <?php echo $form ?> - thats the real pain
11:51 bascht bernhard schussek has some awesome stuff in his github fork of sf. form validation, based on the doctrine validation looks really handy.
12:11 Wombert well
12:11 Wombert it might be handy, but it's not a smart idea in the long run
12:11 Wombert your external interface shouldn't expose your data model
12:12 Wombert you'll need a domain layer in between eventually
12:12 Wombert what you represent on the web and what you accept through forms or APIs is not the same as what you actually persist to the database
12:22 bascht not necessarily - as you could always derive custom form classes, or validation.
12:23 bascht but a boolean in my data model is very like to be a boolean in my web app and API - so that would double the validation logic.
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13:42 Wombert v-dogg and Jarda
13:43 Wombert I'm pondering ways to pimp ADT a bit
13:43 Wombert so that you can associate stuff like the action runtime directly with the action
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13:43 Wombert and maybe even sql queries and stuff
13:43 Wombert rather than having it in one fat output thingie at the end
13:43 Wombert also, IMO actions should be sorted in the order they *started*, not *ended*, but that might be too much hassle
13:43 Wombert you know... so a slot appears *after* the main action
13:44 Wombert in fact, ideally it would appear *inside* the main action
13:44 Wombert with nesting
13:44 Wombert could that be done, v-dogg?
13:47 v-dogg I don't see why not
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13:59 Wombert mmmm
13:59 Wombert need to understand this adt stuff...
14:00 Wombert ok, so the request log appender simply stores stuff somewhere
14:00 Wombert and then
14:04 v-dogg that's just for logging arbitrary lines
14:04 Wombert why is action timer data source
14:04 Wombert hmm
14:04 Wombert if I move that to action_filters.xml
14:04 Wombert is it different then?
14:04 Wombert lemme try
14:07 Wombert hm no that doesn't work
14:07 Wombert how do we do this, v-dogg?
14:08 Wombert I tried adding AdtActionTimerDataSource to the action_filters.xml declaration
14:11 Wombert but it still shows up in the "global" part of the log
14:11 Wombert not underneath the action
14:11 Wombert how do I add something to the action, v-dogg?
14:13 Wombert //
14:13 Wombert // THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT GOOD ENOUGH
14:13 Wombert // we'll probably just have to parse databases.xml or something
14:13 Wombert //
14:13 Wombert $result['class_name'] = get_class($this->context->getDatabaseManager()->getDatabase());
14:13 Wombert is this for the connection name?
14:13 Wombert there now is AgaviDatabase::getName()
14:13 Wombert :)
14:14 Wombert I think I'd like to move 99% of this into Agavi for 1.2...
14:14 Wombert or maybe even 100%
14:15 Wombert so that even the sending of logs to firephp happens in an appender or so
14:15 Wombert though for that we mostly need lots of events, I guess
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16:56 Jarda 1.2 is going to be the lts reelease? :)
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17:59 Wombert helsinki!
17:59 Wombert http://gizmodo.com/5537242/motherboard-city-population-2048kbytes
18:03 ttj Bah, can't see my house.
18:03 ttj It's just outside the picture. :(
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18:14 Wombert ttj: where in the picture is
18:14 Wombert what was it called
18:14 Wombert Rautatientori?
18:16 Wombert ah
18:16 Wombert found it
18:16 Wombert :)
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18:23 ttj Wombert: Huh?
18:24 ttj I live in Lauttasaari, which is the island that is connected to the downtown part with the two bridges in the lower left corner.
18:37 sth it's asdfkjasljdfhaslkdjfski
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09:28 _cheerios summer has come to finland
09:28 _cheerios yesterday was already ace. noux national park walk <3
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14:14 _cheerios played around with an ipad o_O
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14:40 ttj It's quite nice. Some blokes from Design had a couple of those at work a while back. Attracted a small crowd.
14:43 sth They're nice, but I don't know what the hell I'd use one for
14:44 ttj Assuming you could read and make notes on PDF documents, I could very well see having one for school-related things and couch-surfing when I can't be arsed to take out a laptop.
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14:47 sth Sure, in your case it's a worth while item
14:47 sth it takes you a day to boot your laptop
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14:54 ttj No it doesn't. Only 14 minutes. ;)
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21:11 saracen oh lawl
21:11 saracen sth: That image is amazing
21:11 saracen If I could topic http://img691.yfrog.com/img691/5585/simon1.jpg - I so would.
21:11 sth ha
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03:17 saracen impl: Do you think given time, my ragequitting will become funnier? Or should I just rejoin now?
03:17 saracen :(
03:19 impl you should just rejoin
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06:25 luke` Huomenta
06:25 luke` If I have a bunch of static pages, should I create a separate action for each page or a single action with diff views?
06:40 v-dogg I have usually gone with one action, one view, N templates
06:40 v-dogg $this->getLayer('content')->setTemplate($rd->getParameter('pagename'));
06:42 v-dogg if they are completely static then you can just return the content too
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09:48 Jarda return file_get_contents('/path/to/templates' . $rd->getParameter('page')); (you might of course do some validation magic
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17:57 movvy i am installing a my app on a new server and i get this\
17:57 movvy The XSL extension for PHP is used by Agavi for performing transformations in the configuration system; this may be disabled by setting
17:58 Xylakant yes, that means exactly what's in the message
17:58 movvy i understand, but it works on other servers, i have never seen this before
17:58 movvy so thats why im confused about what this even means
17:59 Xylakant well, this server does not have the xsl extension installed
17:59 movvy ok that makes more sense
17:59 movvy so thts the real problem then
17:59 movvy thanks
17:59 Xylakant if you have all config files in the appropriate namespace then things will work without the xsl extension
17:59 Xylakant you'll just have to disable the warning
18:00 movvy awesome well it sounds liek its easier to install XSL,
18:00 movvy :)
18:00 movvy its a new server that someone rackspace clouds built with their base image
18:00 movvy and it has like NOTHING install
18:00 movvy ed
18:00 movvy so im just installing all kinds of packaged trying to get shit to work :)
18:03 movvy i installed xsl for php5 and restart paache and that problem seems gone, now its new problems but i can fix these :)
18:03 movvy permission issues on cache folders
18:03 movvy do you guys have a recommended security setting on these cache folders?
18:04 Xylakant well, as usual: lowest possible priviledges
18:04 Xylakant i'd probably go for owner, group and assign the group to apache or whatever your webserver runs with
18:05 movvy appreciate the insight
18:05 movvy ;)
18:05 Xylakant world writeable is massively insecure
18:06 movvy i honestly need to study back up on permission on linux alot i think
18:07 movvy by world writeable you mean chmod 777 ?
18:07 movvy heh
18:21 v-dogg free advice to any future parent: any toy with batteries is devil's work
18:22 v-dogg and you need fecking tools to open them and get the batteries out
18:25 movvy heh
18:49 movvy xylakant would you actuall chown the dir to the webserver user?
18:51 movvy hmm
18:51 movvy how can i tell what user apache runs under, i thought it was typically apache
18:55 Xylakant movvy: well, that really depends on which linux distribution you run
18:55 movvy hi xylakant
18:55 movvy have you ever seen this
18:56 movvy http://portal.seamless-soft.com/
18:56 Xylakant and well, to chown the directory, use chown.
18:56 Xylakant yes, i've seen that
18:56 movvy that makes ne of us
18:56 Xylakant and it means what it says
18:56 movvy yes, but i dont know what that is from, it doesnt refernce a file
18:57 movvy or is that in the index
18:57 movvy hmm
18:57 movvy is this some new thing in agavi 1.0(3)?
18:57 Xylakant there is a bug (the one referenced in the message) that causes a massive security hole
18:57 Xylakant well, a php bug that is
18:57 Xylakant see http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/953
18:58 Xylakant so you can either turn magic_quotes_gpc off
18:58 Xylakant or upgrade php
18:58 movvy i just installed php fresh yesterday
18:58 Xylakant turning magic quotes off is a good idea anyways
18:59 Xylakant you're running debian stable i guess
18:59 movvy yup
18:59 Xylakant they still ship 5.2.6
18:59 Xylakant 2 years outdated
18:59 movvy so what command to upgrade do you happen to know?
19:00 v-dogg dotdeb.org
19:00 v-dogg http://www.dotdeb.org/instructions/
19:00 Xylakant i stopped running debian because it's upgrade policy sucks
19:01 movvy what are you running now?
19:02 Xylakant freebsd
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19:03 movvy Xylakant upgrading php did it
19:03 movvy it works like a champ
19:03 Xylakant disabling magic quotes is still a good idea
19:04 movvy ok will do!
19:04 movvy out of curiosity does anyone here know any graphics designed they would recommend
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19:23 movvy i figured agai would toss me an error for having no db connected yet
19:24 movvy instead i just get an internal 500 error..
19:24 movvy more interesting thenanything else
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19:47 saracen 18:22:57 < movvy> instead i just get an internal 500 error..
19:47 saracen Are you running in the production environ.?
20:10 movvy im pretty sure its dev, let me check saracen
20:10 movvy how r u btw?
20:10 movvy hope all is going well
20:13 saracen i r good :), although, I'm on a lazy streak recently. How about yourself?
20:15 movvy I'm doing alright, finally trying to get my SaaS portal up to a proper hosting location
20:15 movvy and redundant / highly availalbe etc
20:15 movvy and finishing up some alst feature
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03:23 movvy strange, after my rebooting a server
03:25 movvy nm, im stupid :)
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05:15 movvy hmm
05:16 movvy so i turned of magic quotes that xylakant asked
05:16 movvy and php on this box is 5.2.11
05:16 movvy and i get that screen
05:23 movvy :<
05:23 movvy it keep redirecting to this strange page and its very annoying
05:24 movvy i think it has something to do with upgrading to agavi 7.3
05:24 movvy it redirects there after the agavi error
05:24 movvy :<
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09:35 MikeSeth movvy: errr what
10:28 v-dogg agavi 7.3 :)
10:28 v-dogg going to be a long wait then
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12:02 MikeSeth anyone, Agavi-specific recommendations to action locking? e.g. when one instance of action is running, never start another?
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13:37 Wombert MikeSeth: a filter is probably best for this
13:38 Wombert where you set a lock
13:38 Wombert or you use some sort of optimistic locking as an alternative, but that might not work in your case
13:39 MikeSeth yep
13:39 MikeSeth exactly how I'm implementing it
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16:25 Wombert hummmm
16:25 Wombert is hax0ring away on extended REST support
16:28 sth stabs the dojo dev team
16:51 Wombert what did they do? :>
16:51 Wombert yell at them in #dojo
16:51 sth dojo.connect doesn't seem to work in IE
17:04 saracen Wombert: pm
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17:41 movvy extended REST support? :)
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17:44 movvy I am still working on pagination
17:56 Jarda propel does it for you
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18:16 movvy propel?
18:17 movvy ahh
18:17 movvy does doctrine have something similar
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18:25 Wombert http://tinyurl.com/2bldh62
18:26 Wombert no wait
18:26 Wombert movvy: http://tinyurl.com/22nhjqf
18:26 movvy lol
18:26 movvy i did google it afterwards :)
18:26 movvy thats a good webpage hehe
18:27 movvy i feel everytime i work on one piece of my site, i find 4-10 more that could be better
18:27 movvy or i should do someday
18:27 movvy its never ending :<
18:28 Wombert it's software ;)
18:28 movvy i know
18:28 movvy i just think at some point you should get an i win badge
18:28 movvy like even in medacine, eventually the virus is dead and exists no more
18:29 movvy like polio
18:29 movvy and leoparsy
18:29 movvy those doctors, were just like i win
18:29 movvy rock \m/
18:29 movvy those may be bacteria, im not sure what causes them
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23:55 movvy hmm
23:56 movvy how do i generate url's with normal get params :)
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00:38 Wombert just generate them with the params...
01:39 movvy i figured it out wombert :)
01:40 Wombert cool
01:41 movvy isn't it late there mate ;)
01:53 Wombert quite
01:54 Wombert :>
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08:59 _cheerios huomenta!
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09:41 saracen sth: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs571.snc3/31165_389313026478_628881​478_4556314_2969741_n.jpg
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10:14 Jarda french tanks have 6 gears. one forward and 5 backwards
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10:15 graste huomenta
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10:38 fnordfish huomenta
10:42 Jarda huomenta
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10:49 graste :-)
10:54 saracen Jarda: lol :)
10:54 MikeSeth Jarda: the forward one is if the enemy surprises you from behind?
10:55 sth Morning
11:00 saracen morn
11:00 sth How's the project that sounds like bingo?
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11:03 MikeSeth stay away from bingo
11:04 sth That's what she said
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11:53 Jarda MikeSeth: yup
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12:30 sth I brought everything with me of any use.
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12:55 Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: codecop_, horros
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13:46 Jarda Wombert: you here? Why is it not possible to do $this->assertIsSecure() in AgaviActionTestCase (and as it's not possible, how can I assert it, a container attribute/parameter?
13:54 MikeSeth Jarda: assert($container->getActionInstance()->isSecure()) iirc
13:54 MikeSeth horros: +1 for hostname
13:56 Jarda MikeSeth: humm. Let me try that
13:58 Jarda oh, I need tu run the action for that
13:59 Jarda actually not
13:59 Jarda $this->assertTrue($this->createActionInstance()->isSecure());
13:59 Jarda thanks for the pointers
14:00 Jarda don't know if it makes any sense asserting those kind of things
14:00 Jarda but it adds coverage :)
14:03 Wombert it does make sense, sure
14:03 Wombert imagine a developer deleting isSecure() by accident ;)
14:04 Jarda well in this app we have in our ProjectBaseAction isSecure() { return true; } :)
14:04 Jarda there are two actions not secure: login and help :)
14:04 Jarda well, if someone removes the isSecure from baseaction we now notice it :)
14:04 Jarda which is kinda nice
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14:11 Wombert the test could also be against the base action only
14:11 Wombert where your test case uses a subclass
14:11 Wombert and then you do the check
14:11 Wombert (you can instantiate without initializing in that case)
14:12 Wombert or if your base class is not abstract (but it is, right?) then test that directly
14:13 Jarda well, I like the idea of keeping the isSecure test in every action test
14:13 Jarda if we ever decide to refactor this behaviour
14:14 Jarda so we can be sure every tested action still is secure
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22:23 Jarda sth: http://log.maniacalrage.net/tagged/cs4cr
22:27 Jarda http://i.imgur.com/yQIDA.jpg
22:27 Wombert that's awesome
22:31 Jarda how does one install mysqld on os x
22:31 Jarda I feel dirt even trying
22:31 Wombert www.mysql.com
22:31 Wombert download it
22:31 Wombert install
22:31 Wombert done :p
22:32 Jarda postgres has a nice one click installer
22:32 Wombert so has mysql
22:32 Wombert you just need to download it
22:33 Jarda I tried to download something for os x and got just a vomit of README INSTALL-BINARY and lots of stuff under bin/
22:33 Jarda doesn't count as a one click installer :D
22:34 Jarda oh, and phpmyadmin is full of shit
22:35 Jarda (postgres funboy talking :))
22:35 Jarda *fanboy
22:35 graste ^^
22:36 Jarda oh I had to download the .dmg which wasn't even close to the top of the list
22:36 Jarda god damn stupid web site designers
22:38 Jarda ok so this didn't contain mysqladmin
22:38 Jarda so I still need to install phpmyadmin
22:38 Jarda this really makes me angry
22:39 Jarda oh it did, it just didn't adjust path
22:39 Jarda or maybe it did and I need to logout/login
22:39 Jarda (I hate macs)
22:42 _cheerios i havent setup phpmyadmin as i couldnt figure out how to get php+a web server setup on mac :)
22:42 Jarda hmm?
22:42 Jarda it comes shipped :)
22:42 _cheerios used the mysql-gui thingy, works okeyish
22:42 Jarda apache2 + php5.3
22:42 _cheerios it does? hmmk :)
22:42 Jarda yup..
22:43 Jarda sudo apachectl start
22:43 Jarda and you are good to go
22:43 Jarda or you can click throught the gui administration in system settings
22:43 _cheerios wheres the config + basedir?
22:43 Jarda /etc/apache2
22:43 Jarda don't know about the web root, maybe under /Library
22:44 Jarda I use virtual hosts under my /Users dir
22:44 Jarda but now this remote server I tried to create a db dump from died
22:44 Jarda I just clicked some tables from phpmyadmin and chose "gzip" and download
22:44 Jarda and the whole mysqld is gone..
22:45 Jarda well, not my headache today..
22:46 Jarda did I already tell I hate mysql?
22:47 Jarda seems it's just a toy
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23:02 Wombert http://www.sequelpro.com/
23:07 sth sequal pro has issues
23:13 Jarda yup using it right now
23:13 Jarda just pretty useless without a dump to work on
23:13 Jarda have to wait for the hosting provider to get mysqld up and running again
23:15 Jarda I had a dump somewhere, no idea where, though
23:18 saracen Wombert: When using RESTful verbs with Agavi, rather than just return 'Success', 'Error' from the action - returning view names such as 'ReadSuccess', 'CreateSuccess' etc. is better, right?
23:18 saracen Or is there another method you prefer?
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23:18 Wombert uh?
23:18 Wombert why would you do that?
23:19 Wombert executeRead(), executeWrite()
23:19 Wombert oh
23:19 Wombert I see what you mean
23:19 saracen :)
23:19 Wombert yeah probably
23:19 Wombert if you do it all through one action
23:19 Wombert which you should
23:20 Wombert the only challenge arises if you want to have both a web interface and a machine api through the same actions
23:20 Wombert because HTML overloads POST for forms
23:20 Wombert and because you need GET to display an edit form for instance
23:20 Wombert but that problem is not specific to Agavi
23:20 Wombert I'd have an "api" context, on a subdomain, and swap "create" and "write", too
23:21 Wombert so "PUT" maps to "write" and "POST" maps to "create"
23:21 saracen Yeah, it's been awhile since I touched this code, but I think I have some router helpers for displaying the form etc.
23:21 Wombert or maybe leave "POST" as "write" and map "PUT" to "update"
23:21 saracen Which work independantly of the "api" in a way
23:21 Wombert btw, wtf is going on with my irc client
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23:21 saracen lawl
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23:22 Jarda Wombert: we use the same actions both with browser and machine api
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23:22 Wombert oh ffs
23:22 saracen :(
23:22 Jarda we just have in our executeJson/Xml/Text in InputView something like "return 'GET Method not supported'"
23:23 Jarda and do all the magic in executeWrite
23:23 Jarda (and we don't use PUT at all)
23:23 Wombert yes but
23:23 Wombert Jarda
23:23 Wombert Agavi should handle this really
23:23 Wombert it could look at the action, determine the method is not supported and send back a 409 error
23:23 Wombert including Allow: GET, PUT headers etc
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23:24 Wombert btw guys
23:24 Wombert I came up with this badass trick of versioning REST APIs
23:24 Wombert Accept: application/vnd.com.acme.shop+xml;version=2;q=1,application/vnd.com.acme.shop+xm​l;version=1;q=0.5
23:24 Wombert very ace
23:24 Wombert :>
23:27 Jarda humm
23:28 Jarda so you say you switch something somewhere and decide which api to give?
23:28 Jarda and they are in wsdl or something?
23:28 Wombert nonono
23:28 Wombert never document REST APIs in a WSDL
23:28 Wombert that's out-of-band communication you want to avoid
23:29 Wombert REST has the concept of hypermedia
23:29 Jarda oh, still talking about REST :)
23:29 Wombert you document media types, and that's it
23:29 Jarda (I'm a bit tired..)
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23:30 Jarda btw, I might need to create a soap service with Agavi (as they are easier to implement in different languages). Is there any magic in creating wsdl:s in agavi (other than writing the wsdl by hand to routing.xml)
23:30 Wombert you don't write the WSDL by hand in routing.xml
23:31 Wombert all you do is define input and output parameters
23:31 graste the accept q= thingy is not bad, but I think I saw it somewhere else before ;)
23:31 Wombert 99% of that is xml schema, which you can click together in eclipse
23:31 graste and agavi should do fine for REST apps as I see it
23:31 graste :-)
23:31 Wombert graste: q, yes, as that parameter is defined in HTTP to indicate "quality" of preference
23:31 Jarda Wombert: humm, tru true
23:31 Wombert but not ;version=xx
23:31 Jarda Wombert: I just had a quick look at sample app and it's wsdl
23:32 Wombert graste: also, decoding input variants is hard at the minute
23:32 Wombert Jarda: no, look at it again
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23:32 Jarda (actually why does /wsdl give the wsdl as there is no /wsdl route and the actual file is called wdsl.php)
23:32 graste hard as in impossible for a framework?
23:33 graste how is the input types thingy going?
23:33 Wombert Jarda: that's further down in routing.xml
23:34 Wombert Jarda: it's a separate context at the moment, but it doesn't have to be
23:34 graste should agavi loog at the body of requests to determine things? does it just check headers in routing and then determine everything else via validation? how'd you implement REST style apps?
23:34 Wombert (or is it still?)
23:34 graste s/loog/look/
23:34 Wombert Jarda: WSDL is served over HTTP, like a web page
23:34 Wombert Jarda: SOAP request is tunneled through an HTTP POST
23:34 Wombert Jarda: Agavi generates http://pastie.org/964523 for you
23:34 Wombert from the types you have (you need to model these anyway) and the little <wsdl:input> and <wsdl:output> snippets
23:35 Wombert graste: hard, yes, impossible no if you restrict it to HTTP
23:35 Wombert graste: no, see this is the thing
23:35 Wombert I thought that for a while
23:35 Wombert bu
23:35 Wombert but ultimately, for formats where you need to look at the body, it's gonna be a standardized thing
23:35 Wombert like SOAP or RPC
23:35 Wombert for REST, the payload is just data
23:36 Wombert but noun and verb are in the URI
23:36 Wombert so we don't need to look at the payload to determine what action to run
23:36 Wombert all there is left is finding the right place to decode the payload
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23:36 Jarda Wombert: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/config/routing.xml#L111 I don't get why this matches GET /wsdl
23:37 Jarda as it's supposed to be cathed by agavirouting and as index.php defines context to be web, there is no mathing routes
23:37 Wombert Jarda: it matches any pattern
23:37 graste yes, but what if you've got formats where you only find out if you can handle the (standardized) XML format by looking at the namespace or similar?
23:37 Wombert Jarda: Apache?
23:37 Jarda Wombert: yup
23:37 Wombert Jarda: Options MultiViews?
23:37 Wombert that'll auto-select "wsdl.php" for you :)
23:37 Jarda I guess so
23:37 Wombert you might wana switch that off
23:37 Jarda oh, ok
23:38 Wombert graste: then you write a request/response/controller for it
23:38 Wombert like we have for SOAP and XMLRPC
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23:38 Wombert a REST interface will never require this
23:38 Wombert by definition
23:38 graste yes
23:38 Jarda but I could do just <route name="^/wsdl$" module="Default" action="SendWsdl" /> ?
23:38 Wombert yes, and move that to the "web" context
23:38 Jarda (I hate to have .php in urls :)
23:38 Wombert I'm not sure why I made a "wsdl" context for that, Jarda
23:39 graste because you can!
23:39 saracen :)
23:39 graste wsdl-chuck-norris
23:40 Jarda and it's not enterprisy to have "The wsdl can be downloaded from htts://api.foo.tld/wsdl.php";
23:40 Jarda :)
23:40 Jarda and if you are creating a web service you want it to be enterprisy :)
23:40 graste Wombert: are you working on some REST examples? read something on twitter about a conference tutorial you prepared?
23:40 Wombert the "wsdl" context is just a "web" context, Jarda
23:41 Wombert look at the SendWsdl action
23:41 Wombert graste: hell yes that will be fucking kick ass
23:41 Wombert seriously
23:41 Wombert I hope it gets accepted for IPC
23:41 Wombert will do it with Ben Ramsey
23:41 graste :-)
23:41 Jarda Wombert: yup, that made me think I could just do it as a normal web route
23:41 graste that's the one I read it at, I think#
23:41 Wombert graste: I gave a very basic version of that talk before at PHPLondon, I think you saw the video
23:41 graste yes
23:42 Wombert but it doesn't address HATEOAS
23:42 Wombert which is important
23:42 Wombert there was no time to cover this and it's complex
23:42 graste pretty basic, but it
23:42 graste yes
23:42 graste exactly
23:42 Wombert you know about HATEOAS?
23:42 graste :-)
23:42 graste certainly
23:42 Wombert <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
23:43 Jarda I don't understand HATEOAS, but I haven't read that much about it
23:43 graste looks at "REST and HTTP" and "RESTful web services cookbook" on his desk
23:44 Jarda I don't see my desk
23:44 Jarda a) it's pitch black here and no lights on b) I'm lying on the softa with my mbp wondering what the hell am I doing awake at these hours..
23:44 Jarda *sofa
23:45 graste :P
23:49 saracen mbp?
23:49 saracen massively butch partner?
23:50 saracen oh, macbook
23:50 MikeSeth lol heroes cancelled
23:50 saracen Really? About time, I gave up end of season 1
23:51 Jarda I have up on the first episode
23:51 Jarda I just can't stand hayden panettiere
23:51 Jarda the most annoying actor ever
23:51 Jarda well, after julia roberts and hugh grant
23:51 Jarda s/actor/actress
23:52 saracen But Hayden is hot
23:52 saracen And no matter how many times you beat the bitch, she'd always heal
23:52 Wombert troubling words, saracen
23:52 saracen Win.
23:52 MikeSeth at least they didn't call her Zoey
23:52 Wombert troubling words
23:52 Wombert like in Firefly?
23:52 Wombert :p
23:53 Wombert I HOPE YOU HAVE SEEN FIREFLY AND TOO DEEM IT THE BEST SERIES EVER
23:53 saracen Wombert: Hai, you know I'd never lay a finger on my boat
23:53 Jarda well, now I'm off to bed
23:53 Wombert anyway
23:53 saracen Hai*
23:53 Wombert saracen: :D
23:53 Wombert saracen: no because then it^H^Hshe would sink
23:53 Wombert anyway
23:53 MikeSeth Firefly is the best series ever
23:53 Wombert did you hear that Vladimir Klitschko is now doing Hayden?
23:53 MikeSeth "Pain is scary"
23:53 MikeSeth vladimir who
23:54 saracen Defying Gravity started off well. I think it was MikeSeth that recommended that
23:54 saracen Do you always recommend stuff that gets cancelled? :(
23:55 MikeSeth Defying Gravity was actually good
23:55 MikeSeth it had this mistique about it
23:55 saracen Yeah, it was very different
23:55 MikeSeth I'm watching Breaking Bad now
23:55 saracen Tell me about it in a year if it's not cancelled
23:55 MikeSeth that show is on par with The Wire and Sopranos
23:55 MikeSeth it's in 3rd season atm
23:55 saracen Oh, thats not bad
23:56 saracen Shame Caprica turned out to be rubbish
23:56 MikeSeth wtf NO
23:56 MikeSeth ok well.. arguing about tastes
23:56 saracen Oh come on, it's not up to BSGs quality
23:56 MikeSeth I like Caprica
23:56 MikeSeth even though.. Zoey
23:56 saracen I think they could have made it a lot better
23:56 saracen Zoey is annoying
23:56 MikeSeth and Defying Gravity.. Zoey
23:57 saracen Zoey in Defying Gravity... she wasn't bad :)
23:57 saracen I like her and the dudes relationship
23:57 saracen Their troubles bought tears to my broken eyes
23:57 MikeSeth the actress is great
23:57 saracen She was in an episode of Dexter wasn't she?
23:57 saracen A cop who killed her daughter and husband
23:58 MikeSeth but I think she had a way better character in Dead Like Me
23:58 saracen Never seen it
23:58 MikeSeth you should
23:58 MikeSeth it's funny and cynical
23:58 MikeSeth got cancelled after 2nd season.. too bad
23:58 saracen :(
23:58 MikeSeth http://www.scotty.ro/wallpapers/Celebritati/Ellen-Muth/Ellen-Muth-03.jpg
23:59 MikeSeth WANT
23:59 MikeSeth wait no
23:59 MikeSeth what is this
23:59 MikeSeth DEAD LIKE ME MOVIE DETECTED
23:59 MikeSeth OH DEAR OH DEAR OH DEAR
Day changed Tue May 18 2010
00:00 Wombert :>>>>
00:00 Wombert <3 MikeSeth
00:00 Wombert (the girl is ugly tho)
00:00 MikeSeth I HAS A BONER
00:00 MikeSeth a gift from heaven
00:00 saracen A boner is a gift from heaven? Old age showing signs eh?
00:00 saracen :(
00:01 MikeSeth er um
00:01 MikeSeth ...
00:01 MikeSeth facepalm *
00:03 saracen :(
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04:18 movvy ello
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07:28 v-dogg awww... http://www.agavi.org/irclogs/agavi-200606.log
07:28 v-dogg good times :)
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07:33 Jarda you were so newbies (so was agavi)
07:33 Jarda and still the same faces here :D
07:36 Jarda 16:56 < v-dogg> oh swhee-heet
07:36 Jarda 16:56 < v-dogg> macgyver is on in 10 minutes
07:36 Jarda wtf
07:39 v-dogg :D
07:41 v-dogg they don't show it anymore :(
07:42 v-dogg like I said, good times they were
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09:43 graste huomenta
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10:08 Rendez huomenta!
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10:08 Rendez has anybody worked with a whole set of cities-regions-countries in Europe / Worldwide
10:08 Rendez do you know any service that provides up-to-date information, among with Postal Codes?
10:09 Jarda at least in Finland the national postal codes cost quite a bit
10:10 Jarda but google maps provides pretty up to date information :)
10:10 Rendez yeah, Gmaps will be the second part of the implementation
10:10 Rendez we are developing a hotel-booking like company, so we need all the cities in the world
10:11 Jarda good luck with that
10:11 Rendez haha
10:11 Rendez come on, there must be some company that has this already
10:11 Rendez and translated!
10:11 Jarda some countries change their name annually.. I don't even want to think about their cities :D
10:13 saracen Rendez: If Google and Yahoo can't come up with the goods, I imagine it'll be the very expensive data from some country-local GIS company that can
10:13 Rendez yeah, I thought of any GPS device must be using some DB
10:14 Rendez maybe we have to ring Tom-Tom
10:14 Rendez and ask!
10:15 saracen TomTom took over TeleAtlas, and I think they provide services to their data
10:15 saracen http://www.teleatlas.com/Support/MultinetSupport/index.htm
10:15 saracen "You've made a smart decision by choosing to invest in Tele Atlas map data to power your LBS or geospatial application."
10:17 Rendez hmm ty
10:17 saracen But Google (used to?) use them, anyway
10:17 saracen So, meh
10:20 Rendez M$ too
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10:38 sth Morning
10:39 sth Google still does.
10:41 Rendez I just called them
10:42 Rendez so I'm awaiting a call from one of his partners
10:42 Rendez to try is free :)
10:44 sth trial is always free
10:45 sth The API will be like 5 cents a call or something
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12:25 Jarda just like doing drugs
12:46 saracen My boss and I are discussing which is better: http://www.enixu.com/team3d.png or http://www.enixu.com/team3d.jpg - Which do you prefer? :) - Don't take in to consideration the resolution. The final will be sharp for both.
12:46 sth http://www.enixu.com/team3d.png
12:46 saracen Really? The first one?
12:47 v-dogg I like the second one
12:47 sth The font on the second one blows.
12:47 saracen sth: What about the actual logo though? If the font was changed, which would you then prefer?
12:47 sth The first.
12:48 sth Although, I'd remove the ball from the top
12:48 saracen Yeah well, what do you know - you went to work in Germany. Traitor
12:48 saracen sth: The ball is suppose to make it a person. There's a share to represent a little man
12:48 saracen The ball is his head
12:48 sth I gathered, but it would look better without it
12:49 saracen shape*
12:51 Jarda I opened the second one twice
12:51 Jarda and was wondering what's the difference
12:51 sth gj
12:51 saracen lol :)
12:51 Jarda and why people here could make an argument :D
12:52 sth stupid finns...
12:52 sth :)
13:06 Jarda now I want to kill some kittens
13:06 Jarda what the hell did M$ designers think when they wrote this
13:07 saracen They were thinking this: http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/9931/561d.jpg
13:07 Jarda when using asyncronous web requests in .NET's WebClient you can't handle any exceptions..
13:12 sth It's no worse than: http://9gag.com/photo/23024_540.jpg
13:13 Jarda ;D
13:14 saracen sth: ha :)
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14:45 xboy Hi
14:46 xboy Is it possible to get the contents of a template from its view?
14:48 v-dogg file_get_contents
14:51 Xylakant err, what are you trying to do?
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15:06 xboy I just want to get the contents of the template in view, and then pass that to another action
15:07 xboy suppose i have a EmailVerify action, and i want to after verification, just redirect user to index page. but want to show that message on top of the index page
15:08 xboy so I want too pass that message from verifysuccess template to index action
15:08 sth Dude, I think you're after some sort of flash message implementation
15:09 xboy yes, kinda
15:09 xboy but i want to put messages remain in template files, instead of putting them in view
15:10 saracen Why?
15:10 sth Well, normally one would store the message in the session and then have a slot that checks to see if there's a flash message in the session
15:11 xboy sth: Yeap, I did something like that
15:12 xboy saracen: Cause for situations that i have an executeJson in my view, i should copy the same message from template in the executeJson method
15:13 sth It's the same principle...
15:13 saracen It's the same, but your way sounds weird - because that means your json template and xhtml template are the same?
15:14 saracen If you don't want to duplicate code, why not just add a new method to your view, a common execute method, which sets the attribute
15:14 saracen (@see https://trac.agavi.org/ticket/487 for flash messages)
15:15 xboy saracen: Thanks
15:15 Wombert don
15:15 Wombert t call it "execute" tho
15:15 saracen call it executeGermans
15:16 graste function commonExecuteMethod($rd)
15:26 krycek_ is there any way to prevent agavi from deleting config files on every request? (without disabling "debug" setting)
15:26 krycek_ or is it all the "debug" key is for?
15:27 Wombert that is what "debug" is for, yes
15:27 krycek_ ok, tkz
15:34 v-dogg krycek_: you want to switch debug=off but don't want to switch to production environment?
15:36 krycek_ yes, but I already create a <ae:configuration environment="development"> to set just that
15:38 v-dogg I usually switch debug=off for development environment and define a different "development-nocache" which has debug=on
15:38 v-dogg 99% of the time I don't need to build configs on every request
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15:43 krycek_ and debug=on is problematic when developing ajax app (concurrent requests)
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16:39 MikeSeth http://www.sadanduseless.com/2010/05/steve-jobs-vs-bill-gates/
16:41 graste I don't know if I want to click on a link with sadanduseless as domain
16:41 graste okay, just couldn't resist :x
17:12 macen was worth it :)
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19:10 mknet Hey everbody, has anyone from you ever heard of the quercus?
19:10 mknet I mean, the quercus project
19:11 mknet e.g. to use PHP in the Google App Engine
19:13 mknet I just tried to deploy my current Agavi app to tomcat using Quercus but it doesn't work cos of an Exception describing that I should upgade my libxml installation.
19:14 mknet Anyone's here?
19:14 mknet :-D
19:22 v-dogg should you consider upgrading then?
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19:28 mknet Well, I can't beacuse I don't use the native PHP implementation - I try to use Quercus (a Java implementation of PHP - maybe I should have said this earlier ;))
19:29 mknet My goal is to run Agavi on the GAE
19:31 mknet I also twittered the Quercus URL using @agavi . So maybe you could have a look. :) http://quercus.caucho.com/
19:32 mknet gotta go now
19:32 mknet see you later
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19:53 krycek_ "Quercus outperforms straight mod_php by about 4x for MediaWiki and Drupal."
19:53 krycek_ O.o
19:55 graste there are no silverbullets :P
19:55 krycek_ "PHP applications can now enjoy connection pooling, distributed sessions, fail-safe load balancing, and proxy caching. These benefits require no change in the PHP code."
19:55 Jarda ok, opening 130Mt file into textmate isn't that smooth..
19:55 Jarda 130MB
19:55 Jarda that is
19:56 ttj What's the difference?
19:57 Jarda well, we are in an international channel
19:57 v-dogg language
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19:57 ttj I thought Finnish was the de facto language here. *shrug*
19:57 v-dogg although, Fins rules here
19:57 v-dogg Finns
19:57 v-dogg yup :)
20:05 horros yay fin - rus
20:05 horros (we're so getting our arses handed to us)
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20:19 v-dogg all hail Wombert
20:21 v-dogg would it be completely improper to call him f?hrer?-)
20:22 graste hm :-)
20:22 ttj I guess it's more fitting than Il Duce.
20:22 v-dogg hahaha
20:22 graste code/architecture-nazi perhaps :D
20:23 horros or El Caudillo de Espa?a
20:23 v-dogg nice men
20:24 horros Which reminds me, I should pick up a book on the spanish civil war. Gap in my education there, I'm afraid.
20:24 v-dogg too bad we are stuck with this democracy nonsense
20:25 graste <:
20:26 horros I say we overthrow the government and kick off some anarcho-syndicalism.
20:30 Wombert horros: start with Picasso's Guernica
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21:08 horros FECKING ZEBRA
21:08 horros :X
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22:27 mknet Back again
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22:29 mknet @Wombert: I just tried my agavi app on Quercus and get some AgaviException regarding libxml: A libxml version greater than 2.6.16 is highly recommended. ....
22:29 mknet Is this the same scenario you rember?
22:30 Wombert yes
22:30 mknet *remember
22:30 Wombert Quercus doesn't have ext/libxml or ext/dom
22:30 mknet such a pity
22:30 Wombert it won't work, unfortunately...
22:31 Wombert they also don't have ext/spl I think
22:33 mknet I know that you plan to support Windows Azure but from my perspective the Google App Engine is the better choice ... regarding the option of free usage ... as far as I know Microsoft don't offer a limited free usage, don't they?
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22:38 _cheerios gae is java+py only
22:39 _cheerios how is azure? havent looked into it
22:41 _cheerios seems pricier than alternatives with odd limits (db to 1GB/10GB for fixed fees?)
22:41 mknet @cheerios: Yeah, I know about the language limitations
22:42 mknet The cool thing about the GAE is that you can try how you can work with the plattform in production for free
22:42 _cheerios shame gae doesnt distribute the app globally, seems all instances are in US
22:48 mknet and you mean this is bad because of the latencies?
22:49 mknet what about Microsoft? Do they spread the apps all over the planet? :)
22:51 _cheerios well, gae scales, but usage would suck for asian users.
22:52 mknet ok, I get it - but what about MS?
22:56 mknet sorry - gotta go for now - many thanks for your help
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09:02 _cheerios huomenta
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09:52 graste huomenta
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10:35 macen Steve Jobs completely trashing Flash... http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/
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10:46 graste apple speaking about "open" vs. "proprietary"... haha :-)
10:58 sth That be old.
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11:06 Jarda graste: mind you, flash is a standard. And a closed standard is imo very bad. Closed software itself isn't that bad
11:07 v-dogg didn't they open the spec recently?
11:08 v-dogg so it would be an open proprietary standard like PDF
11:10 sth I dislike flash, there are very few reasons to use it now.
11:10 Jarda sth: +1
11:10 graste mind you, Jarda, that I'm not a fan of either Flash or Apple products/behaviour :P
11:10 Jarda and flash on any other platform than windows is full of shit
11:10 Wombert it's shit on *all* platforms
11:10 graste word
11:10 Wombert simple static flash sites eating up 100% cpu
11:10 Wombert making my laptop's fans kick in
11:10 Wombert do not want
11:10 Jarda Wombert: but on windows it's almost usable
11:11 Jarda on rare occasions
11:11 Wombert and there is two more reasons why flash on the ipad is a bad idea
11:11 graste make it a good candidate for a worldwide web/audience, eh? :P?
11:11 Wombert a) 90% of flash apps out there use mouseover etc, just not suitable for a touch device
11:11 graste on rare occasions :-)
11:12 Wombert b) apple has LLVM, Grand Central for threading etc, and all the other crazy things to optimize stuff at runtime... you can't do that in a VM
11:12 Wombert or with a VM
11:12 Wombert because such code won't use the necessary native APIs
11:12 Wombert besides
11:12 Wombert if we're really honest
11:12 Wombert we all hate eclipse and netbeans and stuff because they don't feel native
11:13 Wombert netbeans is a nice IDE (or will be once they add fucking highlighting of whitespace characters), but it still feels odd
11:13 Wombert native apps ftw
11:13 Jarda well I actually hate netbeans bacause it just doesn't work 100% of the time
11:14 Jarda working right 75% of time is not enough for me
11:14 horros I'm hoping they'll get their shit together in 6.9
11:15 horros the xml editor is useless in 6.9M1 if you use custom namespaces
11:15 horros (read: editing agavi config files)
11:15 v-dogg just like we all hoped for 6.8.. and 6.7... and... :)
11:15 horros 6.8 wasn't bad
11:15 horros except for the "slight" bug which caused the damn autocomplete thing to fail
11:15 Jarda 6.9 has slightly better perfomance in auto complete
11:16 horros apparently caused somehow by the hg plugin, which you can't remove, because then it removes the whole damn team feature.
11:16 Jarda and it actually works ~all the time
11:16 horros :x
11:16 Jarda well, until it crashes
11:16 v-dogg but in the other news: how the HELL doesn't Illustrator have "align to text baseline" option
11:16 Jarda then I have to restart netbeans
11:17 horros granted, netbeans works brilliantly with Java.
11:17 v-dogg or is it just hidden somewhere and I can't find it
11:17 horros also this guarana business is driving me nuts
11:17 horros I can't make heads nor tails out of this :x
11:18 v-dogg Couranga! Be Happy!
11:18 v-dogg oh, Gouranga it is
11:18 Jarda horros: hrrr... java..
11:20 horros I like Java.
11:55 horros breaks down and cries
11:55 horros I don't understand any of this!
11:55 horros :x
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12:01 v-dogg you just realized what you said about Java and it hit you how horrible Java actually is?-)
12:01 v-dogg many grown man has broken into tears in a situation like that
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12:03 horros v-dogg: Well, no. I can't get this whole Guarana business to work at all.
12:05 horros fecking jQuery
12:06 horros this is driving me insane :(
12:48 Jarda atm I hate sqlite, ado.net and datagridview
12:49 Jarda very fucking much!
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13:14 Wombert hey v-dogg
13:14 Wombert and Jarda
13:14 Wombert wouldn't it be good to wrap $filterChain->execute() in a try {} catch(Exception $e){... throw $e;} in ADT?
13:14 Wombert and log everything anyway?
13:14 Wombert that'd be jolly helpful when exceptions occur
13:15 Wombert as you'd still see request data and whatnot in Firebug
13:15 ttj Haha. My boss just sent an email asking me if we need to talk. I told him yesterday that I'm going to take my holiday bonus as vacation time instead and I'm going to fly to Goa for two months and just get high and might not return.
13:15 sth And whilst you're changing it, remove the user-agent check
13:16 sth ttj: You'll look out of place instantly.
13:16 Wombert do that, ttj
13:16 sth Just take the pocket square with you :D
13:16 Wombert get high on a beach in your galoshes, with a pocket square
13:17 ttj sth: Will do. Sneaker-boy: You're still banned from having an opinion. :P
13:17 sth Sneaker boy?
13:17 sth David is the one with horrid Starwars shoes.
13:17 ttj Does he still have the orange sneakers?
13:18 Wombert HELL YES
13:18 Wombert AND THEY ARE BRILLIANT
13:18 sth He's wearing them now :x
13:18 Wombert damn straight
13:18 Wombert I am
13:18 ttj Damn gay is what it is.
13:18 sth Indeed
13:18 Wombert funny enough, guys' opinion is split 50/50 between ZOMG AWESOMESAUCE and "lulz you're gay"
13:18 Wombert all girls love them
13:19 Wombert and they usually say so without being asked
13:19 ttj Girls also love high heels yet I don't wear them.
13:19 Wombert you're just envious because wearing an ascot tie or pocket square doesn't get you laid more often
13:19 Wombert and you haven't made the connection between the two yet
13:19 sth "Love" in the sense that you tolerate "special" people (like Arran) when you see them
13:20 Wombert so your subconscious falls back to dissing me instead to vent your frustration
13:20 Wombert it's okay ttj
13:20 Wombert I don't mind
13:20 Wombert :>
13:20 Wombert p.s. your galoshes are gay
13:20 Wombert :>>>
13:20 ttj Wombert: Yeah, of course. Fortunately I'm in a nice relationship so I don't have to worry about chasing girls. ;)
13:20 ttj I can just enjoy beer, TV, and complimentary BJs.
13:21 Wombert touch?
13:24 Jarda Wombert: absolutely!
13:25 ttj But alas, my galoshes are also broken. :/
13:25 sth How do you break galoshes?
13:26 Jarda Wombert: feel free to contribute ;)
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13:34 ttj sth: They stitching started coming apart slightly. Also, a guy I know also managed to step on something sharp which poked a hole in the rubber.
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13:44 _cheerios lol @ Goa -quip
13:54 sth mmm, I've set this project up so everyone is a character from Die Hard
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15:39 CIA-74 david * r4534 /branches/1.0/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Fix #1284: Regression: Invalid XHTML in shiny exception template when first line in stack frame is HTML. Adds test for this and other issues. Also refs #1009, #1240 and #1242
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17:42 movvy what is Goa?
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17:47 saracen 12:18:16 < sth> "Love" in the sense that you tolerate "special" people (like Arran) when you see them
17:47 saracen :(
18:03 sth :D
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18:27 graste GOA = group of amateurs || part of india and former portugese colony || sub genre of trance music
18:27 graste <:
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18:53 saracen sth: http://fiveturns.org/wat.png
18:53 saracen Was it not obvious that I was being sarcastic at the end? :(
18:54 saracen of my first comment, that is
18:54 sth yes.
18:54 sth the second person is an idiot
18:55 saracen I thought so too
19:05 Wombert sth: can you kill Hans Gruber?
19:11 sth Why?
19:12 saracen The clues in the name.
19:16 sth I'm naming all the people in the dummy data after people in Die Hard
19:16 sth I have John McClane beating Hans 8-0 in tennis
19:21 saracen You're making a tennis game? :P
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19:34 sth nno
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09:39 _cheerios huomenta!
09:39 _cheerios lots of stuff from google io
09:40 MikeSeth huomenta
09:40 MikeSeth _cheerios: did ya hear Google is gonna compete with S3?
09:43 _cheerios seems so. didnt see a pricing comparison yet to see if its any/much better.
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09:44 MikeSeth yeah I wonder if this will lead to price competition
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10:27 graste huomenta
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10:46 fnordfish moin moin ;)
10:47 graste huomenta :p
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12:54 Wombert harrrr
13:25 CIA-74 david * r4535 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/routing/AgaviRouting.class.php): Allow configuration of prefix for route generation through options, closes #1285
13:27 CIA-74 david * r4536 /trunk/ (34 files in 15 dirs): merge [4533:4535/branches/1.0]
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14:38 sth http://9gag.com/photo/23365_540.jpg
14:38 sth sfw
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15:11 _cheerios i liked the one about bank loans
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16:18 fnordfish since graste pointed me on r4535 - is there a svn rss feed?
16:20 sth of changesets?
16:20 sth feed://trac.agavi.org/timeline?changeset=on&max=50&daysback=90&format=rss
16:21 sth http://trac.agavi.org/timeline?changeset=on&max=50&daysback=90&format=rss
16:21 fnordfish ahh, I just found that one: http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-commits/feed/atom_v1_0_msgs.xml
16:21 sth or that
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16:24 sth huzzah! Wombert left the office I'm in, no more bad humming. :D
16:24 fnordfish k - the google feed is more verbose, the trac contains links to tickets and stuff :/
16:25 sth the one I posted doesn't
16:25 Wombert hey fnordfish
16:26 fnordfish hey Wombert
16:26 Wombert fnordfish: http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1285
16:26 Wombert I believe you had this problem before
16:26 Wombert now solved
16:26 fnordfish yeah r4535 - graste told me ;)
16:27 fnordfish great one.
16:29 fnordfish the thing is, I'm not on that project any more, this was needed for. So I need to get a new project ;)
16:31 Wombert fnordfish: who needed this?
16:31 Wombert shrink0r?
16:31 fnordfish nope - that tv-thing. in combination with an lighty-modsecdownload routing callback
16:36 fnordfish sth: your rss reader is lying - the are links to tickets and merged revisions - even the ticket's title is included. which makes it win over the google-feed for me ;)
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04:33 MugeSo huomenta
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08:55 _cheerios huomenta
08:55 Jarda huomenta
09:00 v-dogg mik? VITUN j?rki tuossa on, ett? Win 2003 serveri ruksaa windowsin palomuurin p??lle, kun koneen liitt?? domainiin
09:00 v-dogg kiva fiits?ri et?hallittavilla koneilla
09:01 v-dogg and I need coffee/sleep/vacation
09:01 v-dogg goddammit (niklas just asked why I'm talking in Finnish here)
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09:24 Jarda http://ilia.ws/archives/217-Scalar-Type-Hints-are-Here!.html
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09:28 dsias Are there any ecommerce application built with agavi?
09:29 Jarda open source?
09:29 Jarda not that I know of
09:29 dsias guess it time to build one then
09:30 dsias is there a list of open source project built with agavi yet?
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09:37 Jarda I don't think there is
09:37 Jarda there used to be some "show cases"
09:37 dsias would be nice to add a section to the main site
09:37 dsias I think it would help get more people using agavi
09:38 Jarda you should bug sth about that :) (he can then bug david or felix)
09:38 dsias thanks
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09:40 graste huomenta
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12:04 Jarda https://twitter.com/mikkohypponen/status/14414621870
12:14 Wombert Jarda: The client accepts the certificate generated by Forefront TMG on behalf of the web server, because the HTTPS Inspection certificate was previously placed in the client computer's Trusted Root Certification Authorities certificate store, and the computer trusts any certificate that is signed by this certificate.
12:14 Wombert pretty standard thing
12:14 Wombert nothing out of the ordinary
12:17 v-dogg hey! stop mocking our national IT security hero!
12:17 Jarda :(
12:17 v-dogg in mikkohypponen we trust
12:23 Wombert well
12:23 Wombert I guess he doesn't understand SSL
12:23 Wombert what a tool
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13:27 horros He did say something equally stupid a while back too, IIRC.
13:29 sth "My encrypted 1024bit firewall was hacked"
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13:58 steffkes oh noize! :D
13:58 CIA-74 david * r4537 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/config/AgaviOutputTypeConfigHandler.class.php): Move check for default output type to end of config file compilation, closes #1286
14:00 CIA-74 david * r4538 /trunk/ (29 files in 12 dirs): merge [4536:4537/branches/1.0], refs #1286
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23:40 _cheerios 0day nginx+php (upload) exploit? o_O http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?2,88845
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16:51 luke` Huomenta
16:53 luke` Does anyone know why I don't get 'home' as the parameter to my view when accessing domain.com/pub/? But domain.com/pub/page1 gives param as page1. Relevant part of my routing.xml at http://pastebin.com/p3qpSZaq
17:10 saracen The url should never be domain.com/pub
17:10 saracen You should make pub your root directly
17:10 saracen err
17:10 saracen directory
17:11 saracen *
17:11 saracen As for the default, try /home
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17:16 sth or use $rd->getParameter('page', 'home');
17:17 saracen (which isn't exactly the same :P)
17:17 sth Who cares? :D
17:25 luke` saracen: I know about pub issue :)
17:25 luke` I just started dev on it, so didn't bother to set it up that way
17:25 luke` I tried /home too, but doesn't work either
17:26 saracen Just to be clear, when I mean /home, I mean: <defaults><default for="page">/home</default></defaults>
17:26 saracen If you've tried that, i dunno :)
17:30 luke` saracen: got it. I had to set the route optional. So pattern="^/(page:\w+)?$" works :)
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21:20 Jarda is there something wrong with svn?
21:21 sth er
21:21 sth not that i can tell
21:21 Jarda oh, now it answers
21:23 Jarda http://twitter.com/Rendez/status/12516174344
21:23 Jarda hehe
21:40 MikeSeth 19:40 [freenode] CTCP PING reply from e-cat: ????!
21:41 MikeSeth err
21:41 MikeSeth ><
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22:35 movvy yo
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07:31 luke` huomenta
07:39 luke` Please help with http://pastebin.com/DtSY57JX
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08:27 v-dogg luke`: I'd do it in validation
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08:47 luke` v-dogg: do you have a sample handy? I can't figure out how to change the input?
09:22 v-dogg in a validator?
09:23 v-dogg either: $data = &$this->getData(argumentname) or by exporting
09:24 v-dogg $this->export($value) and <param name="export">parametername</param
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09:38 luke` v-dogg: so how/where does contact-us become ContactUs? http://pastebin.com/DtSY57JX. What does $this->export($value) do? How is it different from $rd->getParameter('foo')?
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11:15 _cheerios anyone done web-sites aimed at mobile use, that try to give the full experience crammed into a smalls creen?
11:17 _cheerios looking for tips on css, icons and best-practices for small screen resolutions
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12:32 graste have a look at the dev.opera.com articles - usually it depends on your use cases and target audiences etc., but some nice css media queries should be enough to get going, when your markup is nice :-)
12:32 graste http://dev.opera.com/articles/mobile/
12:34 graste I think source order isvery important
12:34 graste esp. for older devices with bad css/js capabilities
12:34 graste and try to use something like <a href="sms:1234567890">message me</a> :D
12:43 graste oh and small images and small/no cookies etc. as certain devices (iphone *cough*) have size limits for things they put into their cache etc.
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16:43 movvy oioi
16:49 MikeSeth stretches
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21:06 _cheerios how to get opera mobile to not show "birds eye" view at first? content-size should fit screen.
21:07 sth birds-eye-view?
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21:07 _cheerios well, zoomed out
21:09 _cheerios <meta name = "viewport" content = "width = device-width, height = device-height" />
21:09 _cheerios ah, didn't know of such a tag.. i hope it helps
21:10 sth that, if anything restricts the page size the devices res
21:10 sth assuming it's like the android and iPhone browser
21:11 _cheerios sweet, that works. default for eg. opera mobile is 980px wide
21:12 sth you might want to try that in an android or iPhone browser
21:12 _cheerios works good in android emulator
21:12 _cheerios but, i might need some handholding between stylesheets still to get different sizes for browsers. now im defaulting to 320px
21:14 _cheerios so nice. k, voddler movie time
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21:14 _cheerios im going for a mobile-first web-approach
21:15 _cheerios restricting yourself to 320px width really throws out the fluff...
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02:55 movvy how do i generate the full url of something
03:43 movvy nm
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05:20 Jarda movvy: $ro->gen('foo', array(), array('relative' => false));
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09:06 _cheerios huomenta
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10:31 Wombert hmm
10:31 Wombert http://logging.apache.org/log4php/
10:33 v-dogg apache?
10:33 v-dogg oh, since March 2010
10:33 Jarda what's the deal with that?
10:33 v-dogg logging framework
10:34 v-dogg more or less the same thing as Agavi already offers
10:34 v-dogg (actually I think agavi's/mojavi's system was greatly influenced by log4j)
10:35 Jarda ok, I thought it would be some mind blowing thing as Wombert pasted it :)
10:35 Wombert it just might make sense to use their stuff eventually
10:35 Wombert given how they're an apache project...
10:35 Jarda apache equals good?
10:36 Wombert wait
10:36 Wombert Logger::configure(dirname(__FILE__).'/../resources/appender_echo.properties');
10:36 Wombert okay, we won't use their stuff eventually
10:36 Wombert stabs .properties files
10:36 v-dogg :D
10:36 Jarda apache equals uggly, atleast
10:37 v-dogg $x = Logger::getLogger("wombat");
10:38 v-dogg they are on to you Wombert
10:40 v-dogg log4php.appender.R.layout=LoggerLayoutPattern <-- mmm... nesting properties... :)
10:40 Wombert I want a preprocessor for php :<
10:40 v-dogg if they already use XML configs why the hell keep properties, too?
10:42 Jarda I want Agavi.NET
10:43 Wombert mmmh
10:43 Wombert we could use LINQ
10:43 Wombert and other nice stuff then
10:43 Wombert ponders
10:43 Wombert I was always going to use Python, but Python's OO sucks donkey balls
10:43 Wombert Ruby is not an option
10:44 Wombert Javascript might be quite cool actually
10:44 Jarda C# is my secret mistress
10:44 Wombert Agavi on node.js ;)
10:44 Wombert node.js = uber win
10:46 Jarda Wombert: you had any issues with php 5.3 from dotdeb?
10:46 Jarda (I know you are using it)
10:47 Wombert dotdeb?
10:47 Wombert am I?
10:47 Jarda agavi.org is
10:47 Wombert oh
10:47 Wombert X-Powered-By:Agavi/1.0.4-dev on PHP/5.3.2-0.dotdeb.2
10:47 Wombert indeed
10:47 Wombert I have no idea
10:48 Jarda I was just thinkin should we start to migrate towards 5.3
10:48 Jarda but we need to have our php as debian package
10:51 sth I guess Juri didn't want to compile it
10:52 Jarda but the only thing I/we really need from 5.3 is better DateTime :)
11:00 Wombert is it so much better in 5.3?
11:00 sth Yes
11:01 sth DateTimeInterval
11:01 Wombert aah
11:01 Wombert right
11:01 Wombert duh
11:01 Wombert I gave
11:01 Wombert let me think
11:01 Wombert four talks on PHP 5.3
11:01 Wombert two hours each
11:01 Wombert covering that in great detail
11:01 Wombert </goldfish>
11:01 v-dogg haha
11:03 Wombert so php 5.4 has traits
11:03 Wombert and static type hints
11:03 Wombert all I want now is "upcoming" in strtotime and overloaded methods
11:04 v-dogg has traits? says who?-)
11:04 v-dogg I was waiting for them in 5.3 already :)
11:05 Wombert they're already checked in :)
11:05 Wombert plus the fcgi process manager
11:05 horros hi
11:07 sth hai markus.
11:07 horros Simon.
11:07 horros nods
11:07 sth slaps the KVB
11:08 sth I walked to the office because the trams were every 15 minutes and I just missed the previous tram
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11:10 horros hrrm. stupid floats
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12:01 Jarda Wombert: trunk is 5.4?
12:05 Jarda http://gizmodo.com/5544902/whats-next-for-android
12:08 sth ha
12:08 sth DrunkHulk is quite funny
13:03 MikeSeth why is everyone so happy about android
13:06 sth I'm not
13:06 sth I hate my nexus one
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13:30 _cheerios sth: what's wrong with it?
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14:17 Jarda I don't hate my Hero
14:17 Jarda I don't love it either
14:17 Jarda it's just a phone
14:17 Jarda :)
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14:18 sth I enjoyed using my iPhone, there was always epic coolness in the UI
14:19 sth With Android, there's nothing
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15:37 Wombert stabs hudson.zones.apache.org
15:38 horros stabs WRT and Guarana
15:41 sth stabs the trees in Cologne
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16:27 graste stabs BP :D
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16:36 Wombert fuck this
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18:56 nfq Wombert: yo
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20:42 _cheerios so, is the last LOST season worth watching? haven't begun yet.
20:43 Jarda I'm still insulted by the Welcome module
20:43 Jarda it's not my "first project"
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21:38 saracen Jarda: You don't have to have it generated when you create a project
21:42 movvy sweeet.
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21:46 _cheerios woot, nokia n8 out in germany?
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21:46 _cheerios meh. pre-order.
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08:41 Jarda hmm
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09:33 _cheerios huomenta
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09:49 graste huomenta
09:49 _cheerios has anyone here been running a production ec2 setup? tips/pointers for robust setup?
09:49 _cheerios graste: thanks for the mobile help earlier, got the site working properly without any zooming at 320px
09:52 graste :-)
09:55 _cheerios contemplating setting up servers in ec2-asia for targeting that market
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15:08 J-P morning
15:08 J-P is there a way to know the retrieve the current environment ?
15:09 J-P AgaviConfig::get('environment')
15:09 J-P ?
15:10 Wombert core.environment...
15:11 Jarda although that's usually not needed :)
15:32 J-P thnx wombert
15:32 J-P is there by any chance a way to see the presentation you've made at confoo ?
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15:38 Wombert the slides are online...
15:39 Wombert and a good part of it was hands-on examples
15:39 Wombert http://www.slideshare.net/Wombert/agavi
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16:27 Jarda I haven't seen a 1.1 beta yet ;)
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16:34 graste ^^
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17:07 Yossi_ Huomenta
17:08 Yossi_ can xml valdiator and a custom validator work together?
17:09 Xylakant certainly
17:11 Xylakant Just use the class name of your custom validator as "name" and make sure that the class is loaded or in the autoload config
17:12 Yossi_ ah, okay I got this figured. the I tried to cast a date string to datetime object using xml and then use the object in the custom validator. it didn't work until I told the xml validator to export the value
17:13 Xylakant well, yes. but that's only because the datetimevalidator ignores "cast_to" if "export" is not set
17:13 Yossi_ ah... okay
17:15 Xylakant It's actually in the API doc: "'cast_to' Only useful in combination with the export parameter."
17:16 Yossi_ ah... well... I have ADD ;)
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17:49 graste nice daily wtf Xylakant :o
17:50 Xylakant yes, so true. I've seen this far too often.
17:51 graste :>
17:52 graste and it's a good rule to not just simply re-use whatever's there :-)
17:52 graste otoh there're time constraints and you can't rewrite everything all the time
17:52 graste coding life sucks :D
17:57 Xylakant well, certainly. You shouldn't reuse code "just because it's there".
17:57 Jarda hmm what am I missing
17:57 Xylakant writing the glue code is sometimes quite a bit of work
17:58 Jarda from yossis datetime problems to some wtf
17:59 Xylakant oh, yes. you're missing the sidechannel communication
17:59 Xylakant graste refers to http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Code-Refuse.aspx
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18:00 Xylakant narf. wrong key
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18:06 Jarda :o
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18:06 Jarda I'm glad I work with v-dogg
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18:14 Yossi_ how do I get AgaviResponse from the action, so I can redirect?
18:15 Yossi_ Okay I see its in the FAQ
18:17 Xylakant Yossi_: not at all.
18:18 Xylakant well, you can, but you should not
18:18 Yossi_ yeah, should be in view
18:18 Xylakant redirect should be in the view
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18:24 Yossi_ ahh... Warning: rawurlencode() expects parameter 1 to be string, array given in /usr/share/php/agavi/routing/AgaviWebRouting.class.php on line 417
18:25 Yossi_ the routing produces the right route, despite this warning...
18:30 Yossi_ my bad, as expected
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23:38 saracen Wheres wombert when you actually need him :(
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00:01 CIA-73 saracen * r4539 /branches/hiphop/src/translation/AgaviGettextTranslator.class.php: Commented out code which relies on create_function.
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03:52 MugeSo Huomenta
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05:59 horros Huomenta.
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09:20 MugeSo What's the best way for generating cross context routed URL?
09:23 MugeSo I mean.. e.g. you are in a "web" context and generate url for "console", "soap" or "email".
09:24 graste hm, perhaps something like AgaviContext::getInstance('web')->getRouting()->gen('asdf');
09:25 graste s/web/email/
09:25 MugeSo I did so. but it has a problem.
09:26 saracen sth: What time do Germans wake up?
09:26 saracen Specifically David?
09:27 graste MugeSo: check SERVER_NAME in $_SERVER or the override in factories.xml
09:27 graste perhaps it helps
09:28 MugeSo When some system class such as request or storage depend on variable or constant which is not defined in current context.
09:30 MugeSo of course, the variable or constant defined in the target context.
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09:41 _cheerios huomenta!
09:42 MugeSo saracen: David has. he tweeted 9 min ago.
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10:04 sth Morning
10:05 sth David's been awake for a while
10:05 sth yet he's not in the office
10:05 sth He's going to enjoy the cleaners walking into his flat when he's half dressed
10:07 sth saracen: pong
10:09 Wombert picking up my new glasses, sth :)
10:10 sth liar.
10:13 sth http://9gag.com/gag/23888/
10:13 sth I'm unsure if I want some of those
10:15 Wombert no, because you'll look like a fucking creep :>
10:15 sth heh
10:16 sth So I have my new chard and the signature is: http://twitpic.com/1r69zc
10:16 Wombert you realize that it's not valid like that, and that shopkeepers *do* compare the signature occasionally, right?
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10:17 saracen A signature can be anything, so as long as he can reproduce it
10:17 saracen There shouldnt be a problem :D
10:17 sth Yeah
10:18 sth I have proof of my ID
10:18 saracen My signature on all of my cards is pretty much different, as I fail at reproducing it
10:22 CIA-73 saracen * r4540 /branches/hiphop/src/ (13 files in 6 dirs): reverting [4499], [4504] and [4511] due to fixes in HPHP.
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10:34 MugeSo How can I use config variable such like core.app_name in routing pattern?
10:38 Xylakant %core.app_name%
10:40 MugeSo That don't work :(
10:43 Xylakant hmm, weird
10:44 Xylakant when and where do you define core.app_name?
10:44 MugeSo in settings.xml
10:52 MugeSo AgaviToolkit::expandVariables/literalize is not called for pattern on neither AgaviRouting class nor AgaviRoutingConfigHandler :<
10:54 Xylakant hmm, ok
10:54 Xylakant strange
11:00 MugeSo I guess it was postponed to avoid making but because the pattern has complex syntax and it parsed with AgaviRouting::parseRouteString.
11:00 MugeSo s/but/bug/
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11:05 MugeSo for now, I'll write callback to do what i want.
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11:25 sth Xylakant: He's here.
11:26 CIA-73 saracen * r4541 /branches/hiphop/src/view/AgaviTemplateLayer.class.php: Type casting $args from __call to an array (see [4505]), to avoid error/warning notices.
11:35 MugeSo just throwaway code :p http://pastie.org/977675
11:41 CIA-73 saracen * r4542 /branches/hiphop/ (52 files in 23 dirs): synced with trunk
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12:43 saracen sth: You busy?
12:44 saracen zomg
12:45 sth Nope
12:46 saracen nm, was going to have you check something, but it's a recent commit of mine which has made everything fail
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12:55 CIA-73 saracen * r4543 /branches/hiphop/src/view/AgaviTemplateLayer.class.php: Type casting $args from __call to an array (Really, this time)
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13:23 Wombert haha
13:23 Wombert the dishwasher here in the office is made by "smeg"
13:24 Wombert that also describes it's quality pretty well
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13:27 sth they make nice fridges
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13:32 Jarda nice looking that is
13:33 sth Well, they work as fridges as well :)
13:35 saracen For about a week or so
13:35 saracen Then they just look nice
13:46 Wombert haha saracen
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14:02 sth They're pointless though, the freezer is rather small
14:07 sth You could put one fishfinger and one chip inside and just close the door
14:12 saracen My new fridge freezer is huge
14:12 saracen I could fit myself inside of it, one fishfinger and one chip
14:12 saracen then possibly a small child
14:12 saracen But I wouldnt, because that'd get weird
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14:18 Wombert if anyone ever gets murdered in your area
14:18 Wombert I'll send police this channel log
14:18 Wombert I'm sure they will find it useful
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16:31 graste http://code.google.com/p/implementing-rest/wiki/ByLanguage
16:33 movvy oi
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16:50 sth movvy: you know "oi" isn't a very pleasent greeting right?
16:52 Wombert recess isn*t restful
16:52 Wombert that's fucking bullshit
16:56 ttj Oi.
16:57 sth sets fire to ttj
16:57 ttj Meh.
16:58 sth Oh, it's finally stopped raining
16:58 ttj Beer garden time?
16:59 sth behave, it's 5pm. I've got another good 3-4 hours left
17:02 ttj Ah, so David is indeed a slavedriver.
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17:15 graste it's a wiki, wombert ^^
17:16 Wombert oh
17:16 Wombert right
17:16 Wombert goes to deface it
17:16 graste we can add Agavi and pwn them all
17:17 Wombert ANGRY WMBRT WAS HERE AND CALLS BS ON ALL THIS STUFF ALSO WAT IS THIS REST THING KEKE?
17:17 graste you can poke mamund :D
17:17 graste hehe
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17:18 graste you should put your anger in a bullshit bingo buzzword landing page for decision makers and managers around the world about the awesomeness of agavi
17:18 graste with synergy level they've not seen before
17:27 sth http://forum.opencart.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=14909
17:27 sth the last post really does make that thread
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17:37 graste never heard of "opencart", but that post indeed makes that thread
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18:21 horros Hmm. NetBeans 6.9RC1
18:21 graste :-)
18:22 Jarda horros: have to update @work
18:25 horros Damnit. My neatly organised truecrypt drive is starting to get cluttered :x
18:27 horros Humm.. How is the order filters are run determined?
18:28 horros peeks at ADT to see if it sheds some light
18:29 horros Ah, neat, the XML editor seems to be working in 6.9RC1
18:30 horros Or rather, it's not as fucked up as the one in M1 was
18:30 graste ^^
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20:31 Jarda horros: you developed java?
20:32 horros Yessir.
20:33 Jarda you don't happen to know if Java ME is _not_ supported on OS X?
20:33 horros I've not the faintest idea. I don't use OS X.
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20:33 Jarda oh, nevermind. 6.9 Netbeans supports Java ME on OS X
20:33 Jarda sorry to disturb..
20:34 horros two secs on google: http://java.sun.com/javame/downloads/sdk30_mac.jsp
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01:54 JP_ hi
01:55 JP_ I was wondering
01:55 JP_ is it possible to create per-module output type and routing (files) ?
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02:19 saracen JP_: Nope, but if you wanted to be able to easily install the modules in the future, you could store local routing/output type configurations in the modules /config dir
02:19 saracen Then just xinclude them in the main configs
02:35 JP_ alright thnx!
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06:22 Jarda saracen: I'd like to start working on a "plugin system". So that we could have whole modules as plugins
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08:32 _cheerios huomenta
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09:22 Yossi_ Huomenta
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09:46 graste huomenta
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10:16 Xylakant sth: That's your work, no point in denying: http://xylakant.soup.io/post/57717102/No-Germans-allowed
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10:23 MikeSeth I smell troll
10:25 sth It probably was.
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11:32 _cheerios heh @ finnish x-factor winner being busted for bringing 26kg of droogs into finland in 2001. claimed it (khat) was salad. :)
11:32 _cheerios got 45 days of communal service and 540e fine (17yo old).
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11:49 sth is that it?
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12:14 Wombert hai
12:15 Wombert pondering how to log st
12:15 Wombert something to one logger only
12:15 Wombert and nothing else should be logged to this logger
12:18 Xylakant well, $lm->getLogger('foo')->log() seems fine to me
12:18 Xylakant we should consider adopting a scheme similar to what log4j does
12:19 Xylakant sadly, the log4php project seems dead
12:19 sth We could pick it up...
12:21 Xylakant i'm a bit sceptic about that. lots of work, hard to get right in php
12:22 Wombert no Xylakant
12:22 Wombert that checks a severity
12:22 Wombert so I need to give it one
12:22 Wombert so all events of that severity are also sent to that logger
12:23 Xylakant right. works for me since i never us $lm->log() directly
12:25 Wombert Logger::log() does the check
12:26 Xylakant yes, certainly. but i always configure my loggers to log all and write straight to the logger. so i never pick up messages that get sent to other loggers
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12:42 Wombert arrrrrrrr
12:42 Wombert stabs
12:42 Wombert v-dogg: poek
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12:54 v-dogg woooootsa
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12:54 v-dogg woooootsa
12:54 Wombert_ v-dogg: you use logging much, don't you?
12:55 Wombert_ have you figured out a way to log to a specific logger, no matter the severity, and not have that logger log anything else?
12:58 v-dogg I don't think I have ever even tried
12:59 _cheerios v-dogg: bid for providing search for yle.fi, 350-400k EUR http://www.hankintailmoitukset.fi/fi/notice/view/2010-007126 :)
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13:05 v-dogg whoaa :)
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14:02 Jarda Wombert: pingpong
14:03 Jarda Wombert: if I wanted to make a rest client that sends the payoload as JSON, what do I have to do in our agavi app?
14:07 Jarda I was thinking about extending AgaviWebRequest, which then would json_decode the payload and populate request data
14:07 Jarda so it can be used in actions normaly
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14:11 Wombert yeah, pretty much Jarda
14:11 Wombert you mean rest server, right?
14:13 Jarda yup
14:13 Jarda I'm (maybe) writing a J2ME or Windows Mobile client
14:13 Jarda and I just want to make a nice api that can be published
14:14 Jarda do I have to add a new context that uses this MyJsonWebRequest
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14:14 Jarda or can it be done more generally
14:14 Wombert you could
14:14 Wombert or you just look at the Content-Type?
14:15 Wombert that's what it's for after all...
14:15 Jarda what do I swicht? output_type or?
14:15 Wombert btw... if it's plain json that you're using, it won't be a rest api, just crud :)
14:15 Wombert gtg, meeting
14:15 Jarda k
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14:25 Jarda hmm, where the hell should I be looking for the Content-Type?
14:26 Jarda I guess routing.xml is way too late
14:26 Jarda in the chain, that is
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14:30 fhtw hello?
14:31 Jarda hello, hello
14:32 fhtw i'm trying to install agavi in xampp in win7 but when i try to start it via cmd it gives me an error that the phing version.txt couldn't be found
14:32 Jarda have you installed phing?
14:32 fhtw yes
14:32 Jarda please paste the whole error to pastebin
14:32 fhtw C:\xampp\php\PEAR\phing\Phing.php:811: No VERSION.TXT file found; try setting ph ing.home environment variable.
14:33 fhtw that's all it says
14:33 Jarda oh yeah, the phing home thingie
14:34 Jarda it most likely has something to do with xampp
14:34 Jarda I dislike using any *ampp
14:35 Jarda as installing apache+php is an easy task without any stupid wrappers
14:36 fhtw so i should try installing apache and that should solve the problem?
14:36 horros well, just settings the PHING_HOME environment variable should fix it too.
14:36 Jarda it should, yes
14:36 horros (maybe)
14:36 Jarda I just have no idea what it is supposed to be
14:37 fhtw ok i'll try that - see you later :)
14:37 horros It's supposed to point to the Phing installation ;)
14:37 fhtw and thanks
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15:04 fhtw hi guys. installing in apache worked! thanks for your help!!
15:10 Wombert Jarda: uh, in your subclassed web request?
15:10 Wombert where else :p
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15:22 simoncpu huomenta!
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15:35 J-P Wombert: yesterday I was wondering if it was possible to create per-module routing.xml and output_types.xml files
15:35 J-P I've been told that it's not
15:36 Wombert of course it isn't
15:36 J-P but I should use xinclude and put those files inside the module
15:36 Wombert the routing determines what action and module to run
15:36 Wombert yes, you can do that
15:36 J-P I know, but don't you think it would be a great feature ?
15:36 horros :D
15:36 J-P possibily quite difficult to do
15:37 J-P since it would imply that something parse through all modules
15:37 J-P but it would totally rock for simplicity of code re-usability
15:40 Xylakant and suck for performance and introduce all kinds of funny behavior
15:41 Xylakant in which order would the routes be included?
15:41 Xylakant just to name one
15:43 Wombert yes
15:43 Wombert and how do you override existing routes?
15:43 Wombert and your cool forum module, should it be under /forum? or do you want a prefix?
15:43 Wombert if yes, then how do you do that
15:43 Wombert etc etc etc
15:44 Wombert we've been over this a million times
15:44 Wombert it's not gonna happen for 1.x, ever
15:44 Wombert the only possibility to do this would be for people to register modules
15:44 Wombert but I bet a lot of folks would complain about that as well...
15:44 Wombert (and it doesn't solve the route order problem either, to name just one)
15:45 Wombert and then it continues with output types... what if you and I both have an "html" output type?
15:45 Wombert we're bound to
15:45 Wombert but they're different
15:45 Wombert now you mix the modules
15:45 Wombert boom
15:45 ttj BOOM!
15:45 _cheerios <route pattern="^/forum" routes="Forum.config.routing.xml" > :)
15:46 Xylakant _cheerios: but that's equivalent to
15:47 Xylakant <route pattern="/forum"><xi:include href="Forum.config.routing.xml" />...
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16:02 J-P I was thinking more specifically about layouts
16:02 J-P anyway
16:02 J-P I see I was not the only one to raise the question
16:05 Yossi_ how do I get the contents of an uploaded unsaved file? using the $rd->getFile($field)->tmp_name as the file path?
16:09 Yossi_ well then, trial and error...
16:11 Yossi_ yup...
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16:19 Wombert Yossi_: there is a getContents() method...
16:19 Wombert sighs
16:21 Yossi_ Ah there is an AgaviUploadedFile class ;)
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16:32 bascht anyone around that can keep me from smashing my computer?
16:33 bascht same procedure as every week, validation of nested arrays: http://pastie.org/979972
16:33 MikeSeth maybe that'd be a good idea
16:33 MikeSeth umm shouldn't it be
16:33 bascht currently the validator just makes one huge flat array out of the post values.
16:34 MikeSeth base="foo[]"><argument>bar</argument>
16:34 MikeSeth I am frankly not sure
16:35 bascht MikeSeth: i tried it like that - but the problem stays the same - I just get one flat array.
16:36 MikeSeth humm why'd the validator flatten it
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16:38 bascht .oO( because he sucks )
16:41 bascht Wombert gave me a hint lateley, but that was for arrays with keys
16:53 Wombert bascht: first, remove the quotes
16:54 Wombert <input name="foo[][bar] value="baz" />
16:54 Wombert then
16:54 Wombert <validator class="string" required="false">
16:54 Wombert <arguments base="foo[]">
16:54 Wombert <argument>bar</argument>
16:54 Wombert </arguments>
16:54 Wombert </validator>
16:54 Wombert for every item with any key in foo, validate the key bar
16:54 Wombert simple
16:54 Wombert :)
16:54 Wombert the base is what it iterates over
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16:58 pashyon hey everyone, some netbeans users around?
16:59 graste +1
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17:02 pashyon i am having problems with my xml files
17:02 pashyon i am allways getting nullpointers when i am editing something
17:02 pashyon java.io.FileNotFoundException: http://www.agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/output_types/1.0
17:02 pashyon
17:02 pashyon at java.net.HttpURLConnection.getResponseCode(HttpURLConnection.java:373)
17:02 pashyon at org.netbeans.modules.xml.retriever.impl.URLResourceRetriever.getInputStreamOfURL​(URLResourceRetriever.java:128)
17:02 pashyon Caused: java.io.FileNotFoundException: http://www.agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/output_types/1.0
17:02 pashyon yay spam :)
17:03 pashyon it says: Cannot find the declaration of element 'ae:configurations'.
17:03 pashyon any idea?
17:05 bascht Wombert: nope, I still get a flat array.
17:05 bascht falls down and weeps
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17:08 bascht if i got that straight, then it should look like that: http://pastie.org/980045
17:10 Yossi__ test
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17:14 Wombert bascht: should they all be in the same index?
17:14 Wombert you realize those inputs will submit as foo[0][bar], foo[1][baz], foo[2][bang], right?
17:15 Wombert well, not submit, but php will interpret them like that
17:18 bascht gnarh
17:18 graste pashyon: try another netbeans build
17:18 Jarda I haven't had any problems with netbeans
17:18 Jarda using 6.9rc atm
17:19 Jarda well.. with netbeans + agavi xml files
17:19 graste those nullpointers happened months ago for me too, but some later stable nightly builds the problem disappears
17:19 graste disappeared
17:19 Jarda a lot other problems of course :D
17:19 graste i'v got the beta atm imho
17:19 Jarda horros had some problems with it too
17:19 Jarda he said rc helped
17:20 bascht Wombert: yep, my bad. I mixed up the indexes, 'cause I wanted them to index by field-name, but thats bullshit for 1:n relations
17:21 Wombert so what's your final, complete reproduce case where the problem occurs, bascht?
17:22 horros Yah, it doesn't happen with 6.9RC1 anymore.
17:23 bascht Wombert: its a list of 1:n related fieldets, with input fields, that should be added / removed dynamically in the frontend
17:23 Wombert that is not a reproduce case
17:23 Wombert that is a vague description
17:23 Wombert give me a template, a full validation file and an action that show the problem
17:23 Wombert as a patch against the sample app, ideally
17:23 Wombert bascht: if you want to have it dynamic, then you need to name the fields with JS
17:24 bascht I'm pretty good at making vague descriptions.
17:24 Wombert so you end up with products[0][name] and products[0][price] rather than products[][name] and products[][price]
17:24 bascht yep, thats what Xylakant told me five secs ago
17:24 Wombert because as I said, PHP will make [0] and [1] out of those
17:24 bascht ;)
17:24 Wombert so it was all your fault
17:25 Wombert good :)
17:25 graste that's what she said :x
17:25 graste @saracen :D
17:25 bascht Wombert: erm. right. ;)
17:27 bascht now for some dillinger escape plan, to calm down...
17:28 Wombert bascht: nah, seriously, does it work now?
17:29 bascht Wombert: I need to kick in some keys via js - so I'll be back in a few minutes
17:30 bascht but I guess it should work that way.
17:32 Wombert fabulous
17:33 bascht i guess this is what happens if you've spent too much time with sfForms
17:38 Wombert you forget how php works you mean?
17:38 Wombert yes :p
17:40 Jarda well, how html and php works
17:40 Wombert it's mostly a PHP thing
17:41 Wombert the [] I mean
17:41 Jarda well, might be true
17:41 Jarda but imo no language has a sane way to guess which index is whic
17:41 Wombert of course not
17:41 Wombert there is no way to guess
17:41 Jarda of course you can do some wild guessing
17:41 Wombert it's a logical problem that you can't solve with code
17:42 Jarda that's why I mentioned html also
17:42 Jarda everyone that writes his html forms by hand knows this :)
17:42 Jarda or atleast knows after spending couple of hours figuring it out :D
17:43 Jarda oh my fecking god netbeans on os x is fugly
17:43 Jarda even eclipse isn't this ugly
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17:46 graste "even eclipse"
17:46 graste ^^
17:47 Jarda I code all my php on os x with textmate (at work with windows I use netbeans), but now for Java I decided to install once again netbeans on os x
17:47 macen all java apps on os x are fail
17:48 macen winblows language imo
17:49 macen i had problems with snow leopard, downgraded through fresh install in end
17:50 macen textmate crashing etc (sth mentioned something similar)
17:50 macen going to buy a new mac, i've only a 7,2 so it was probably down to hardware
17:50 macen *hopefully :)
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18:12 horros If all Java apps are "fail" on OS X, then maybe, just maybe, it's OS X that's at fault, and not the Java apps..?
18:13 horros sniggers and ducks and dodges the flames
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18:30 macen plenty of better alternatives available
18:30 Jarda well, I'm currently learning how to do J2ME
18:30 Jarda (it's far better than symbian)
18:31 macen nice
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18:41 E_mE if i create a slot from which in a view and i've got validation mode as strict, will i not recieve the parameters i've passed?
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18:42 E_mE just I've read this: strict => only validated input (get, post, cookies, headers etc.) is passed to the action/view
18:43 Yossi_ E_mE: you would have to validate in the slots action
18:43 E_mE well ive got validation setuo in my file.xml
18:43 E_mE for each attribute
18:44 E_mE s/attribute/parameter/
18:44 Yossi_ so xinclude it in the slots action
18:45 E_mE sorry?
18:46 Yossi_ let me get this right, you have an action which views creates a slot which runs another action
18:46 E_mE yes, im writing a paginate action, and i want to include the pagination as a slot in my master action/view
18:46 E_mE ive got Paginate.xml, with the parameters it requires
18:47 E_mE if i have conditional setup, then all the parameters appear to arrive... but with strict all of them are empty, even though none are required and im actually passing parameters
18:47 Yossi_ you have to validate them again in the slots action
18:48 E_mE in validate() method?
18:49 Yossi_ in the validate/$actions_name.xml
18:49 E_mE ive got that file populated
18:49 E_mE ill show you
18:49 Yossi_ strange...
18:49 graste or you make your paginate action simple
18:49 Yossi_ yes
18:50 E_mE http://pastie.textmate.org/private/leecj3wdy5art42tqhfcq
18:50 Yossi_ but then it won't get any request parameters other the the ones explicitly sent to it.
18:50 E_mE my action only contains getDefaultViewName() as the processing is done in SuccessView
18:50 graste without execute method it doesnt work
18:51 graste validation i mean
18:51 E_mE ahhhhhh
18:51 graste just add it and it will work (tm)
18:51 Yossi_ right
18:52 E_mE thank you grastes
18:52 E_mE it also throws errors now :P
18:52 E_mE because i used <validate> instead of <validator>
18:52 E_mE doh!
18:52 graste :-)
18:52 E_mE thank you for your help too Yossi_ :)
18:53 Yossi_ ;)
18:54 E_mE yay works :)
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19:36 Jarda hey horros, can you explain your use case of AgaviSecureWebRequest?
19:37 Jarda humm.. oh, it seems to be deprecated
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19:43 horros It is?
19:43 horros Hmmk.
19:45 Jarda horros: well still, what was your use case?
19:45 Jarda :)
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19:51 horros Jarda: Extracting certificate info from client SSL-certificates.
19:55 Jarda so your clients were something else than browsers?
19:55 Jarda and sent client certificate with the request?
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19:55 Jarda did you issue the certificates or something else?
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19:59 horros Jarda: No, the clients were browsers.
20:00 horros Our first line of defense is nobody gets at the server without a valid client certificate.
20:00 horros They then have access to their own install of our app, to which they authenticate with their username/password.
20:00 horros but can't even get a login-screen for other instances.
20:02 Jarda ok
20:02 Jarda where did they get the certificates?
20:02 Jarda and how do you tell the browser to use a specific certificate
20:02 horros Umm, we sign the certificates with our own CA.
20:03 horros And you can't tell the browser to use a specific certificate. If there's one that "fits" the server certificate, it's used automatically. If there are multiple, FF asks which one you want to use.
20:07 Jarda ok
20:08 Jarda I'm totally unfamiliar with that kind of certificate usage
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20:24 Jarda Wombert: you here?
20:33 Wombert yes?
20:35 Jarda Wombert: http://pastebin.org/286206
20:35 Jarda is there something horribly wrong with that?
20:40 Wombert ponders
20:40 Wombert nah, looks fine
20:40 Wombert although
20:41 Wombert let me find my implementation
20:41 Jarda yup
20:41 Jarda but my quick tests indicated this works for now
20:45 Wombert http://pastie.org/980508
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20:48 Jarda ok thanks
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21:15 _cheerios hello
21:16 _cheerios i tried typing on a HTC Hero today just to see how it's like. frustrating, that's what. physical qwerty <3
21:16 Jarda I have a Hero
21:16 Jarda no complaints
21:17 Jarda it takes a bit time to get used to it
21:29 _cheerios it made me instantly proficient in Klingonese.
21:30 _cheerios mainly tried it to see how different CSS needs to be to accomodate for touch screen layouts
21:30 _cheerios touchable areas need to be huge, HUGE
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22:33 horros _cheerios: I have 14.1 inches of touchable area!
22:33 horros (on my laptop, no sexual innuendo here)
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08:39 _cheerios huomenta
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11:28 CIA-73 david * r4544 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/build/build.xml): Build target public-create should overwrite existing files, closes #1288
11:33 CIA-73 david * r4545 /trunk/ (29 files in 11 dirs): merge [4538:4544/branches/1.0]
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13:11 luke` I have a single action to serve static pages. In the view, I am setting the template based on the routing var. How do I forward to 404 when the template is not found?
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13:14 sth luke`: you have a validator that checks if the static page exists
13:18 _cheerios Powerslave <3
13:18 horros Old french punk <3
13:25 luke` sth: is there a way to check the existence of the template via agavi api? or do I need to fall back on file_exists
13:27 horros http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=28418
13:27 horros Oops.
13:27 horros Pardon me.
13:27 horros kicks PuTTY in the face.
13:27 horros Luckily it wasn't anything more incriminating!
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13:43 sth luke`: file_exists()
13:44 luke` sth: done. Now is there a shorthand to the 404 page?
13:45 sth in the error view return: $this->createForwardContainer(AgaviConfig::get('actions.error_404_module'), AgaviConfig::get('actions.error_404_action'));
13:56 luke` sth: works perfectly. Thanks a ton.
13:57 luke` why doesn't fpf like &nbsp;?
14:01 v-dogg because it's html, not xml
14:02 v-dogg you can force fpf to parse as html but that's not recommended (because of libxml is not that good at it)
14:03 v-dogg xml defines only &gt; &lg; &amp; and some quote entities
14:03 v-dogg but when using utf8 &nbsp; is about the only entity you need and for that you can use &#160;
14:12 graste any bash professionals in here? is there something like call_user_func or $functionname available/possible for bash?
14:35 luke` thanks v-dogg :)
14:43 luke` I updated factories.xml as per #1029 and now I get this error http://pastebin.com/iq51udRW
14:44 v-dogg missing namespace
14:44 v-dogg <parameter vs. <ae:parameter
14:44 v-dogg do I win?-)
14:45 sth You win nothing.
14:45 v-dogg you won your mom from the lottery
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15:49 _cheerios Angel investment in the US: 16 billion Euro
15:49 _cheerios Angel investment in the EU: 200 million Euro
15:49 _cheerios :p
15:52 _cheerios haha @ opera world record speed test parody http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaT7thTxyq8
15:57 _cheerios "In Indonesia, developers are considered an entry level position, not a lucrative career path."
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16:06 ttj Bah. Kids these days. Back when I was young, we got to shovel tons of shit before getting accepted to even make coffee...
16:06 ttj Entry-level positions...
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16:51 macen who'd of thought crazy people like this guy http://www.imilly.com/google-cookie.htm would ever come in handy...
16:51 macen had my first experience of Google ranking a site I visit above others based on my cookies
16:51 macen dunno if it's old news or not....
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21:13 jurica hi, is there a opportunity to check needed credentials for an action with an or relation instead of an and relation?
21:17 Jarda jurica: what do you mean whit that?
21:18 jurica i want to give access to an action when the user has credential a OR credential b
21:18 Jarda what do you mean by "and relation"
21:18 Jarda (I didn't know agavi supports that)
21:19 jurica when you return an array of more than one credential your user needs all credentials
21:19 Jarda oh, like that
21:20 jurica lets say you return array('a', 'b') the user needs a AND b for access
21:31 sth You'll probably need to subclass the security filter
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21:32 jurica hmm ok thanks
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21:50 v-dogg no no no no
21:50 v-dogg n00bs
21:51 v-dogg return array(array('a'), array('b'));
21:51 v-dogg (I meant Jarda and sth :)
21:52 v-dogg jurica: return array of arrays
21:53 jurica thanks, i tried it but it didn't work
21:53 jurica or i did something wrong?!
21:55 v-dogg probably :)
21:55 jurica nope
21:55 jurica it doesnt work
21:55 jurica it needs a and b
21:57 v-dogg why is trac.agavi.org taking forever to answer
21:59 Rayne that is obvious, it is not agavi powered >:|
21:59 Rayne it works for me btw.
21:59 jurica because trac sucks
21:59 v-dogg sth must have installed some Finn blocker there
21:59 sth :D
21:59 Jarda v-dogg: if I'm noob then it's because you haven't told me everything yet :)
22:00 sth blame jurica, he's the admin of the agavi trac
22:00 jurica we dont know why it's slow david tried to fix it but as we see without success ;)
22:00 sth Maybe someone should port trac to agavi :D
22:00 Jarda trac is shit. Too bad there really aren't any sane alternatives
22:01 sth There's a ruby alternative, but david wont use it because it's ruby
22:01 jurica redmine
22:01 Rayne what's wrong with ruby?
22:01 v-dogg jurica: try return array(array('a','b'))
22:02 jurica but i think a problem is that we use sqlite instead of mysql
22:02 sth Well, we should try it with mysql...
22:02 jurica v-dogg: you're my hero!
22:02 v-dogg http://www.agavi.org/apidocs/agavi/user/AgaviSecurityUser.html#hasCredentials
22:03 jurica sth: yep, but i have no time to switch the db backend
22:03 sth Don't talk to me about time :x
22:03 sth I'm probably negative hours on this project
22:03 jurica hehe
22:03 sth I guess I'll find out tomorrow night
22:04 jurica im sorry have to leave now, a freind just arrived
22:04 jurica v-dogg: thanks!
22:04 sth Bye
22:04 sth jurica: Might see you monday
22:04 sth I'm returning to pickup some stuff
22:04 jurica ah
22:04 jurica ok see you monday, bye
22:04 sth I'd have done it today, but this release is a bastard.
22:05 sth Bai
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09:38 Jarda wtf germany winning eurovision song contest
09:39 Jarda but hey, the first decent looking german girl I've seen :D
10:20 horros http://i50.tinypic.com/2r5qfwn.jpg
10:20 horros Germans.
10:20 horros rolls eyes
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11:08 MikeSeth lulz
11:08 MikeSeth Wombart look what germans did
11:08 MikeSeth http://i50.tinypic.com/2r5qfwn.jpg
11:10 Wombert yeah, haha
11:10 Wombert you Jews didn't give Germany any points
11:10 Wombert I guess you still feel offended or something
11:10 Wombert although you were probably right, looking at that picture...
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12:33 Jarda Wombert: you wanna help me with my json input capable webrequest? :)
12:33 Wombert huh?
12:33 Wombert you already have one
12:33 Jarda Wombert: is there a non-hackish way to "emulate" http form file uploads"
12:34 Wombert eh? explain please
12:34 Jarda I mean, I have actions that call a model like $foo->doSomething($rd->getParameter('somearray), $rd->getFile('somefile'));
12:34 Jarda can I reuse this action with json input
12:34 Jarda or do I have to post a multipart form from my desktop client
12:34 Wombert whoa
12:35 Wombert multipart
12:35 Wombert :<
12:35 Wombert that's, umm
12:35 Wombert I am not aware of capable http clients or servers
12:35 Wombert multipart over http is... hard :<
12:36 Wombert besides, what you're describing doesn't sound particularily restful
12:36 Wombert I assume you want to create a resource with attachments?
12:36 Jarda that's most likely the case, yes :)
12:37 Jarda actually it's just "upload a file with some additional info about the file"
12:37 Jarda but I have already done multipart POSTing from a C# desktop app. It's just ugly and feels wrong :)
12:38 Jarda (by writing the boundaries 'n stuff by hand and writing it to the payload)
12:40 Jarda it's like /foos/123/attachments/321
12:41 Jarda but there would need to be a description about the file
12:41 Jarda so in browser context it would make sense to have this as a multipart form
12:41 Jarda and I really would like to reuse my actions
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13:27 Wombert yeah Jarda
13:27 Wombert not 100% sure
13:28 Wombert alas, I'm mad busy, need to give a talk in 30 minutes etc etc
13:28 Wombert so...
13:28 Wombert ttyl maybe
13:28 Wombert sorry mate
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10:49 graste huomenta
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12:41 horros Hmm. At what point in the request does validation fire? eg. can I access validated request parameters from a filter?
12:42 _cheerios what's a good VPN setup for a mac ?
12:42 horros I suppose I have to be able to.
12:42 horros scans through fifteen billion Agavi source files
12:45 Jarda _cheerios: what do you mean?
12:48 _cheerios was wondering if i could access this mac (with gui) from ubuntu
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13:25 horros Hmm, can I register filters on a per-module basis?
13:28 horros Aha, seems I can!
13:34 _cheerios 30yrs today. A DINOSAUR! x_X
13:37 ttj Congrats.
13:42 _cheerios thanks, ttj! was supposed to dine with gf tonight, but she's sick today. All excuses to try mecca or other michelin-star restaurant are welcome :)
13:43 Jarda horros: oh you can?
13:44 horros Apparently so.
13:44 Jarda _cheerios: so I guess you mean VNC instead of VPN?
13:44 horros Jarda: See AgaviController::loadFilters
13:45 Jarda humms
13:45 _cheerios Jarda: Ah, right.
13:45 Jarda iirc os x has some built in vnc server
13:45 horros Nor quite sure how it all works together yet.
13:45 Jarda found under system preferences -> sharing or something similar
13:50 horros Hmm.
13:50 horros This isn't making any sense!
13:51 Jarda my computer isn't making any sense
13:51 Jarda how can I get the uptime of windows
13:52 horros A, no, it does seem to automatically load action filters for modules.
13:52 horros Let's see!
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13:53 Rendez huomenta!
13:54 Rendez the FPF class is able to set class names to elements other than the input, like the parent div
13:54 horros Jarda: Yessir. Just dump an action_filters.xml into the module config dir and WHAM! you're done.
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13:54 Rendez the config I set though has no effect for some reason
13:54 Jarda horros: oh, cool
13:55 Rendez e.g. <ae:parameter name="ancestor::${htmlnsPrefix}div[contains(@class, 'group')]">error</ae:parameter>
13:55 Jarda I never knew that
13:55 Rendez well, "parent::${htmlnsPrefix..." that'd be
14:23 horros scratches his head
14:27 horros Errm.'
14:31 horros humm.
14:31 horros weeps a bit
14:31 Jarda please elaborate
14:31 horros I can't figure out how to access validated parameters in my filter :(
14:31 horros I probably need to do some trickery.
14:32 Jarda $context->getRequest()->getRequestData()?
14:32 Jarda or something similar
14:32 horros d'oh.
14:32 horros humm.
14:33 horros Oh, integers aren't integerified by default.
14:33 horros pokes around validation
14:34 LOL_HAMAS <-
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14:35 horros hmm.
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14:38 horros Errm, what exactly do I need to do to make it cast it to an integer? :|
14:38 horros Do I need to export it or whatnot?
14:39 horros Wait, what? In the filter I get a string, but in the action I get an integer :O
14:40 MikeSeth horros: cast_to parameter?
14:40 horros I tried that :|
14:40 MikeSeth and
14:40 MikeSeth ?
14:40 horros It seems the number validator casts it if you use the type-parameter or the cast_to -parameter
14:41 horros same as before, in the filter (where I use $context->getRequest()->getRequestData()->getParameter() I get a string, in the action where I do $rd->getParameter() I get an integer
14:41 MikeSeth no it won't cast if you used the type parameter
14:42 MikeSeth the filters run before validation
14:42 horros But I want validated parameters in my filter :(
14:42 horros Perhaps I need to validate it by hand somehow then.
14:43 MikeSeth uhm actually dont take my word for it
14:43 horros Actually.
14:43 horros Come to think of it...
14:43 horros I'm an eedjit.
14:43 horros I should write this as a custom validator and not a filter.
14:43 horros facepalms
14:44 horros Right. On to figure out how to write custom validators!
14:44 horros flies off with his superhero cape flapping
15:02 graste :-)
15:02 graste easy as pie!
15:04 graste http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_17
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20:09 Jarda _cheerios: did you try percentage or something else?
20:10 _cheerios reading up on materials; varying advice
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