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09:05 sth Morning
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10:17 saracen Something is wrong =(
10:17 saracen What would be the reason for validation not being executed, when I have executeWrite and read declared?
10:19 saracen I'm wondering whether it's just an issue with the new file layout + trunk
10:19 saracen This is in like a sub-sub-sub action
10:20 saracen Oh, or my fault
10:20 saracen I think i renamed the validate.xml file to validation.xml ;x
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10:25 sth pleb.
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15:50 Rendez hi
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16:02 Rendez is there any way routing can have any value set in settings.xml?
16:02 sth ?
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16:32 Rendez a regex pattern contains a few constrained elements
16:33 Rendez which are subject to change, just wondering if I could automate that by calling some var from settings.xml inside the routing.xml, for instance in pattern="..."
16:34 Rendez it would be nice to be able to do that
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17:00 Xylakant Rendez: you can in general include vars from the settings.xml by using %setting.name%
17:00 Rendez Xylakant: thanks, will try it right away
17:01 Xylakant there are a few exceptions but it should work in your case
17:01 Xylakant mainly it doesn't work for files that are parsed before settings.xml is parsed :)
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17:01 Xylakant so for example no replacement will happen in settings.xml
17:01 Xylakant which means that settings that refer to other settings will not work
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18:13 Rendez Xylakant: excellent
18:13 Rendez thanks mate
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18:31 Jarda http://twitter.com/big_ben_clock
18:38 sth haha
18:38 sth of course, the clock isn't called big ben
18:42 horros It isn't?
18:42 sth No
18:42 horros "Big Ben is the nickname for the great bell of the clock at the north end of the Palace of Westminster in London,[1] and is often extended to refer to the clock or the clock tower as well."
18:42 sth It's called Westminister Tower
18:43 sth wikipedia is wrong
18:43 sth Big Ben is only the tower
18:43 sth s/tower/bell/
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23:40 saracen sth:
23:41 saracen Or anybody. If I have a validator which returns true when a record in my DB exists
23:41 sth arran.
23:41 saracen If I want to reverse that, so it errors when it returns true, anyway to do that without editing my validator class?
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23:42 sth saracen: http://pastie.org/680828
23:44 saracen But you cant use that class when you *want* it to exist now, can you? ;x
23:44 sth No, I have two validators
23:44 saracen Yeah, I want to only have one
23:44 saracen I figured its possible if I use isset on the exported value of the previous validator
23:45 saracen But i just wish it was nicer to do :)
23:45 sth If you change severity to info for the validator
23:45 sth And then use hasParameter in the action/view you can sort of do it
23:47 sth I use my validators so that I have a callback in the routing that exports the object than a validator that checks the export
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05:10 Jarda why not use the "Not"-validator?
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08:58 graste huomenta
08:58 sth Morning
09:00 E_mE [n=Jeramy@5ad7b53d.bb.sky.com] has joined #agavi
09:09 sth well, it's been a month, but Wombert is finally in the office again
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10:41 E_mE Morning
10:42 sth Morning!
10:43 E_mE has a new job ;)
10:44 E_mE And working with Agavi! How awesome!!
10:45 v-dogg is nice :)
10:45 v-dogg did they already use agavi or didn't you do that?
10:45 E_mE I know you're nice v-dogg :P
10:45 v-dogg -n't
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10:46 E_mE how do you mean v-dogg ? You mean at my current job?
10:46 v-dogg yup
10:47 E_mE No, the application is far too big, it was like 450,000 lines and is used by over 400 francheses
10:47 E_mE but the new Job will be agavi so mega ++
10:47 sth E_mE: Where are you working now?
10:48 v-dogg by "current" I meant your new job
10:48 v-dogg were they using agavi already or did you come up with it?
10:48 E_mE sth: i work for the company that write the site for printing.com and manages the accountancy system called flyer link. com
10:49 E_mE v-dogg: they have on;y just started and i help them get agavi implemented and are so going to carry on using it since the team loves it ;)
10:49 E_mE sth: least thats the parts i was working on
10:51 simoncpu huomenta duuuuuude
10:51 simoncpu whoa
10:51 simoncpu E_mE: how did you get the team to love agavi?
10:51 simoncpu agavi hates people
10:52 simoncpu =)
10:52 E_mE like minded people ;)
10:52 simoncpu i was able to use agavi in one of our project because...
10:52 simoncpu because i am awesome
10:52 simoncpu but my teammates have a hard time understanding it
10:53 E_mE Yeah I'm helping one of my team mates along with it, and his helping me with mootools ;)
10:54 sth simoncpu: Someone on my twitter feed put it perfectly.
10:54 sth "Agavi the framework that hates you"
10:56 v-dogg :D
10:56 simoncpu that sounds like a perfect tagline for a parody page
10:57 sth It came from some guy at the PHPNW conf
10:57 v-dogg p0wned conf
10:58 E_mE sth: whats the twitter name?
10:58 sth one sec, I'll dig it out
10:59 sth "Agavi, the framework that hates you!" @funkatron
11:00 sth It's tempting to add that to the channel topic
11:05 Jarda I have no idea how agavi feels for me
11:05 Jarda I like it
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12:10 E_mE a location for the first Agavi conference :P http://www.thomson.co.uk/destinations/europe/italy/amalfi-coast/positano/hotels/​hotel-le-agavi.html
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12:19 E_mE http://www.bitbar.org/tetris/cake.html?fields=9
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14:53 saracen sth: I kept missing it last night, I just went to make a NOT validator and actuall saw agavi does have one ;x
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14:59 sth yup
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15:02 sth PHP still amazes me
15:02 sth finfo seems to ignore the magic file
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15:36 Jarda FileInfo is.. well
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15:42 saracen FIleInfoy.
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15:55 sth sets fire to arran
15:55 saracen ;o
16:03 horros I quite like my new phone.
16:05 saracen what isit?
16:05 horros E52
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16:09 sth figures.
16:09 sth A Nokia for the Finn.
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16:10 horros The other option would have been to get something rubbish.
16:10 horros Like an iPhone.
16:12 Jarda I'd need a new phone
16:12 Jarda no idea what to buy
16:13 horros The E90 has the build quality of an African mud hut.
16:16 sth saracen: There's no more free crap I can bring you
16:16 sth Unless you want me to swipe something from Wombert's or Xylakant's desk.
16:17 Xylakant horros: African mud huts actually last between 50 and 80 years
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16:30 saracen sth: That'd be fine
16:31 sth saracen: Xylakant has nothing on his desk other than a keyboard and a nail file
16:31 sth Wombert has paper work
16:31 sth pick one
16:31 sth :D
16:31 Xylakant sth: well, give him the nail file
16:31 saracen =(
16:31 saracen I'll have a german used nail file
16:31 sth haha
16:32 sth You should have asked for something from my desk instead.
16:32 Xylakant especially since it's a cardboard one I snagged from a hotel in barca
16:32 saracen Oh, nevermind
16:32 sth But that's not going to happen now!
16:32 sth :D
16:33 saracen sth, can't you bring me back something really cliche german? Comparable to the red bus souvenirs you can get in London
16:33 sth heh
16:33 saracen Whats really, really cliche? I cant think of anything
16:33 sth I'll stop off at the duty free
16:33 sth saracen: I'll bring back a microwave currywurst for you
16:33 saracen haha, awesome
16:34 saracen Suppose its more portable than a gas chamber.
16:34 sth rofl
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16:35 sth I don't think I'll take back any clothes when I go back to the UK
16:35 sth just buy new ones when I arrive
16:35 sth then I can fill my bags with crap
16:36 horros Lugging over a lot of german poo doesn't sound like a brilliant plan.
16:36 saracen which raises the question, is it german poo if it comes from sth?
16:36 sth I plan on just taking an empty carry on bag so I can buy my xmas gifts at the airport
16:37 sth saracen: I'd have to say yes.
16:37 horros saracen: I'd say it is, if it's produced from eating german food.
16:37 sth Since the food I'm eating is German
16:37 horros (read: sausages)
16:37 horros mmm
16:37 horros sausages
16:37 saracen sth: Check if it has an accent
16:37 sth saracen: It produces a lot of gas so it must be german :x
16:38 saracen highfives sth
16:38 saracen I really dont know how you've survived in that office
16:38 sth (this where everyone but the British are offended)
16:38 saracen Did your interview consist of a foreskin checkup?
16:38 sth saracen: By threatening to invade
16:38 horros sth: I'm not. I make fun of everyone.
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16:39 sth I think I might buy a can of red paint to paint a giant red cross on the wall
16:39 sth They're lovely and white :D
16:40 sth I wish PHP supported overloading a bit better than it does.
16:40 sth Having a constructor and an initialise method is crap
16:41 saracen ha, it certainly is
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17:04 saracen sth: "Tags":["plankton", "baseball", "decisions"],
17:04 saracen In phpcouch, how do I do something like that? I tried just passing an array
17:04 saracen but I get some exception error
17:06 saracen oh wait
17:06 saracen no i dont
17:06 saracen the problem is elsewhere, that bit worked
17:06 saracen nm!
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17:12 horros http://i.imgur.com/cWqcD.png
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17:13 v-dogg :D
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17:27 sth saracen fails at everything
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17:45 Jarda god damn stupid snow leopard
17:45 Jarda postgres is not starting after reboot
17:47 Jarda and the message is "/dev/null: permission denied"
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17:51 Jarda no fucking clue what to do
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18:06 v-dogg "/dev/null: permission denied" :D
18:07 horros refrains from making jokes about how Macs always just work
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18:14 Jarda ok, I didn't have postgres-user anymore
18:14 Jarda that's why su didn't work
18:15 Jarda but how can it be postgres user had dissapeared on a reboot
18:17 horros I believe it's cached in some fashion.
18:18 horros At least I have to log out and back in in order for, say, group changes to take effect.
18:18 horros Mind you, this is Linux.
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18:18 Jarda yeah, but postgres has been working for a month or so (installed after snow leopard upgrade)
18:18 Jarda well, maybe I hadn't logged out
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18:19 Jarda but still, how can a user dissapear
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19:06 E_mE heheh http://i.imgur.com/KitWi.jpg
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19:23 sth haha
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19:44 krycek_ shouldn't $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate'...) turn the FPF ON even if it's disabled in global_filters.xml?
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19:46 v-dogg krycek_: don't think so
19:46 v-dogg actually, I'm sure it doesn't
19:46 v-dogg if it's disabled in global_filters.xml it is never ran at all
19:47 v-dogg and 'populate' is checked inside the filter
19:47 krycek_ there is no way to enable it in the action if it's disabled in the global_filter then?
19:47 v-dogg don't think so
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19:48 v-dogg but if you disable it you are saying "I do not use this filter"
19:48 krycek_ i want it enabled for the whole site, except for one action
19:48 v-dogg but obviously you do want to use it :)
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19:48 krycek_ what can i do?
19:48 v-dogg what do you mean?
19:49 v-dogg 'populate', false, 'org.agavi....' for that action
19:49 krycek_ let me try that
19:50 krycek_ right, that was easy :)
19:50 krycek_ thank you, v-dogg
19:51 krycek_ ops, didn't work.. it was disabled in global_filters
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19:54 krycek_ actually, what I want is disable error messages (from FPF) for that action, because for that action I'm dealing with them differently
19:55 krycek_ oh boy, what you said before did work now... sorry for that and thank you again
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21:22 xcheshirecat Hi
21:23 xcheshirecat I have some problems understanding how translation works in validators. Mostly where we enter their value. I would appreciate help or a link to more explaination. Thanks
21:28 graste it's mainly specifying a translation domain and then adding translations for each of your (e.g. error-) strings to translation.xml for each language (and the given domain) - see http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_13 or http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#translation_0 and have a look at the sample application where that example is from :)
21:30 xcheshirecat thanks Ill take a look
21:31 graste good luck :>
21:42 xcheshirecat Just found it, working great, thank you very much
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21:47 E_mE_ does agavi support the concept of putting .* wildcards? $this->removeAttributeNamespace('com.eme.*');
21:50 graste dunno, did you have a look at the sourcecode? ;)
21:51 E_mE_ was just in process ;)
21:51 graste k, had a look
21:51 graste it's just a simple isset/unset
21:51 graste :>
21:52 E_mE_ ja
21:52 E_mE_ mmm that could be improved
21:52 graste file a feature request? :D
21:52 E_mE_ indeed
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22:04 E_mE_ graste: ticket created :) http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1173
22:04 graste :)
22:04 E_mE_ see i can perhaps write a patch for this
22:05 E_mE_ managed to get cats into the example, hehe
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22:06 E_mE_ mmm problem is the returning of the item(s) remove
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08:47 graste huomenta
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09:11 sth Morning
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09:13 E_mE huomenta
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09:36 Wombert om
09:36 Wombert nom
09:41 v-dogg nomnom
09:41 v-dogg what's up Wombert
09:43 MugeSo your "nom" is a french word?
09:44 sth MugeSo: No, it means to eat. Internet Slang 101.
09:49 MugeSo Oh! thanks sth, :-X
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10:32 simoncpu the internet is becoming self-aware!
10:32 simoncpu behold, for skynet is here
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11:32 sth stabs agavi
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11:41 sth My file uploads are being slow :/
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15:18 MikeSeth <3
15:26 v-dogg FPF <3
15:27 v-dogg FapPFap
15:27 MikeSeth true
15:27 Jarda what now?
15:28 v-dogg nothing special, just sitting here alone at the office
15:28 v-dogg fapping
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15:28 Jarda are you doing something awesome with fpf or just otherwise fapping?
15:30 v-dogg nothing extraordinary, just enjoying the fact that someone else is populating and injecting error messages for me
15:33 Jarda :D
15:35 v-dogg me is hungry
15:35 v-dogg the salad I had for lunch was not enough for a day this long
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15:52 Jarda I'm loving CSS3 <3
15:52 Jarda screw ie, not going to support :D
15:53 Jarda box-shadow, text-shadow, border-radius.. <3
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16:08 Wombert Jarda: those have the benefit of allowing graceful degradation
16:08 Wombert take http://www.agavi.org/support for example
16:08 Wombert corners are only rounded in ff and safari, not in ie
16:08 Wombert but even without rounded corners, it looks reasonable
16:10 v-dogg bah
16:10 v-dogg how do I get the selected value of a radiobutton group with mootools?-)
16:10 Wombert ask in #mootools? :p
16:10 Wombert hey E_mE
16:10 v-dogg I'm counting on you guys!
16:11 E_mE hay Wombert , good trip?
16:11 Wombert I don't think https://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1173 is a good idea
16:11 v-dogg and I'm in a hurry. I said I'd leave the office by 6pm
16:11 Wombert it'll be wildly inconsistent with everything else
16:11 v-dogg (t+10minutes)
16:11 Wombert v-dogg: that leaves oyu 50 minutes :P
16:11 Wombert oh
16:11 Wombert xD
16:11 Wombert hugs finland
16:11 v-dogg shut up weirdo :)
16:11 Wombert hugs v-dogg
16:11 E_mE really? It just i got into a situation where i wanted to delete everything in com.cats.user.*
16:12 E_mE instead of going com.cats.user.animals, com.cats.user.trees
16:12 Wombert wanna show me details in privmsg?
16:12 Wombert why isn't animals an attribut ein com.cats.user ?
16:12 Wombert *attribute
16:12 v-dogg bah. godda go nau, missus will be angry otherwise
16:12 v-dogg see ya :)
16:13 E_mE Wombert: fair point
16:13 Wombert bai v-dogg
16:18 Jarda v-dogg: why not iterate over the radiobuttons and check if it is selected?
16:19 Jarda Wombert: excactly, and I can emulate box-shadow on ie with "layered" divs if I want to in ie.css :)
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16:30 saracen Couchdb has confused me =(
16:36 sth You're easily confused.
16:36 saracen You know the whole \u9999 strick for endkeys?
16:36 saracen err
16:36 saracen trick*
16:37 sth Nope
16:37 saracen nm then =(
16:37 saracen i take it theres a #couchdb /me finds out
16:38 sth I do now though
16:48 sth I need to start keeping a cache of food at the office.
16:54 saracen Wombert: array('keys' => array('bleh')) in phpcouch
16:54 saracen Can't you make that just be 'key'?
16:55 saracen Because you use 'startkey' which also accepts an array, and not 'startkeys'
16:55 saracen It's just not consistant :P
16:55 sth You fix it then
16:55 Wombert no
16:55 Wombert saracen: http://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/HTTP_view_API#Querying_Options
16:55 Wombert POST
16:55 Wombert {"keys": ["key1", "key2", ...]} Trunk only (0.9)
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16:56 Wombert that's why it's "keys"
16:56 Wombert there is a #phpcouch channel btw
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16:56 sth There's key and keys
16:56 sth Really?
16:56 saracen I know, but last time I looked, nobody was there
16:56 Wombert it's rather empty, but it exists :)
16:56 Wombert well then you guys come idle in there
16:56 Wombert :p
16:57 saracen so, does phpcouch translate "keys" to "key" when the request is a GET type?
16:57 Wombert I think it just always POSTs
16:57 sth Seems pointless since saracen and I are the only users
16:57 Wombert but not sure
16:57 Wombert haha
16:57 Wombert :>
16:58 saracen I think for my next C++ project, I'll have to use couchdb, it just seems to simple in comparison to SQL queries in C++
16:59 saracen Noob question, I accidently deleted on of my _design documents awhile ago, is there a way to get back deleted documents? Or once it's deleted, it's deleted? I ask because there's revisions and such, I was wondering whether theres actually just a _delete flag
17:00 sth err
17:00 sth If you know the revision id of the document you can iirc
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17:04 E_mE sth: graze.com
17:04 E_mE on regards to a cache of food
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17:29 sth sweet
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17:35 sth I wonder if they deliver to Germany
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17:52 xcheshirecat Hi
17:53 xcheshirecat I add a page on my local site and Im trying to get it on the official site
17:54 xcheshirecat I transfered the module, and the routing that ar working local
17:54 xcheshirecat Still, it displays the page set when it is unable to find the page
17:54 xcheshirecat Is there another file I need to modify
17:54 xcheshirecat Thxs
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18:14 E_mE sth: i get a delivery once a week, had Olives, Seaweed nuts, cryalised ginger (yuck) and Smarties ;D
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19:01 _cheerios huomenta
19:03 _cheerios friend sends me a link telling me this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SARbwvhupQ&NR=1 describes me. google i/o? lets see...
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19:18 _cheerios V remake. tempting.
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19:21 sth Awesome
19:21 ttj _cheerios: Ditched the girl already?
19:22 _cheerios ttj, yeah. she bought me dinner but was otherwise itching for a fight *yawn*
19:22 ttj Bah. You suck.
19:23 _cheerios and she had fever. :<
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19:23 ttj And you dragged her out instead of taking her chicken soup and checking how good the mattress is. :O
19:27 sth I just ordered pizza because I can't be bothered to cook
19:29 _cheerios ttj, since when would nerds have social skills? :)
19:30 ttj Good point.
19:37 _cheerios i got her icecream to take the heat away.
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19:53 _cheerios met an old mate on the train back here, he had an n900. played around with it a bit.
19:54 _cheerios too quick of a glance to make any opinion on it. luckily he lives only a few blocks away :)
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20:05 ttj Ooh... It's going to be raining for the rest of the week. I can finally use my galoshes!
20:08 _cheerios i need to put on my wintercoat tomorrow. was a bit chilly out there.
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20:19 Jarda I need to pre-heat my car before driving to work :)
20:21 ttj I don't, I use the public transport. ;)
20:21 sth I do
20:21 sth I prefer it
20:21 ttj Well, I'm poor.
20:22 sth aren't poor people ubiquitous with public transport? :P
20:22 Jarda I would have to leave home 7:15 if I wanted to get to work by 8:00 via public transport
20:22 Jarda If I take the car, I can leave at 7:50
20:23 sth Actually, I only prefer public transport if there's a subway system
20:23 ttj sth: Ouch. :P
20:24 Jarda no subway here..
20:24 sth :D
20:24 sth Mind you, buses don't really annoy me either
20:30 _cheerios subway? meh. trains r less hassle.
20:31 _cheerios i drove an automatic rental in the states.
20:31 _cheerios nobody died.
20:42 _cheerios 623 miles driven.
20:48 ttj I don't have a license. :(
20:50 _cheerios highlights of drivin' skills: almost trashing a mercedez slk coupe in a busy san francisco street
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20:55 ttj SLK isn't a coupe, it's a roadster.
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20:56 ttj But yeah, my driving highlight was driving a Jeep into a small ditch in Tahiti.
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20:57 ttj Wait what, is there some SLK coupe? :O
20:57 ttj That looks sick (in a bad way). :O
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22:07 _cheerios ah, true, true. my car knowledge. <brand> <something> <myäk> ... four wheels, check! :D
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00:55 saracen sth: I'm experiencing phpcouch failure
00:55 saracen err
00:55 saracen fix it.
01:01 saracen sth: If you have the ability, can you make me an account on the phpcouch trac
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05:40 v-dogg huomenta
05:56 saracen I should probably go to bed =(
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07:05 MugeSo I found that 0.11.8 is marked as latest stable release in agavi pear channel and "pear install agavi/agavi" installs 0.11.8 :<
07:06 MugeSo that command should install 1.0.1!
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08:53 sth saracen: ping?
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09:16 v-dogg ummmm
09:16 v-dogg I don't want a failing validator to remove the value
09:17 v-dogg could this be done with severity?
09:17 v-dogg yes, severity=info
09:18 v-dogg hugs agavi
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09:36 Jarda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_May#Dismissal_from_Autocar_magazine
09:38 sth yup
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12:28 E_mE http://www.rogerdarlington.co.uk/Goodmorning.html
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13:42 saracen sth:
13:42 sth hi
13:42 saracen hi
13:43 sth what was you ranting about last night?
13:43 sth I was in bed by the time you was ranting
13:43 saracen :D
13:43 saracen phpcouch, the keys. I needed to place {} in my key, because it can act as a wildcard. ie, startkeys=["saracen", {}]
13:44 saracen passing array('saracen', '{}') produced ["saracen", "{}"], I was wondering if there was a way to escape
13:44 saracen Eventually I figured I could just do array('saracen', new stdClass()) and have json_encode make it a json object, but it seems a little weird
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14:01 sth saracen: You could have also used array()
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14:16 saracen sth: lies
14:16 saracen That would have made []
14:16 saracen unless agavi passes the force object option
14:16 saracen which it doesnt
14:16 saracen not agavi
14:16 saracen sigh
14:16 saracen phpcouch*
14:18 sth fail
14:19 saracen But yeah, you can't escape json_encode at all, which I don't know if will become an issue for some other stuff
14:19 saracen I was wondering whether you could pass a 'raw' option, where what you input is what you get, but that would get annoying for cases like this
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15:10 Fou4th hi all
15:10 Fou4th for some reasons agavi stopped working on my dev machine
15:11 Fou4th errors like this^
15:11 Fou4th Failed to write cache file "/home/cancel/webdev/devel/cache/config/routing.xml_development_web_7680dc3c127f​0444cf7c0110096e070ddefb720d.php" generated from configuration file "/home/cancel/webdev/devel/config/routing.xml".
15:11 Fou4th catalog has 0777
15:12 Fou4th rights
15:13 Fou4th different file each time
15:14 Fou4th ops
15:15 Fou4th no free space :)
15:16 Xylakant Fou4th: that might explain it ;)
15:23 Fou4th yep
15:23 Fou4th deleted some files, it's ok now
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15:33 sth Wow, I'm amazed people still run out of disk space
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15:40 saracen sth: cat /dev/urandom >> im_a_small_file and be amazed no moar
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15:43 sth rofl http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2009/11/04
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19:43 _cheerios huomenta
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20:03 CIA-65 david * r4339 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG bin/agavi.bat-dist): fix #1172: agavi.bat-dist lacks double quotes for PHP and Agavi path assignments
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20:26 saracen sth: I found something amazing
20:27 saracen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap,_Crackle_and_Pop#Other_countries
20:27 saracen Germany - Knisper! Knasper! Knusper!
20:32 sth yeah
20:32 sth One of the few cerials they have here
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20:38 CIA-65 david * r4340 /branches/1.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix #1174: AgaviParameterHolder::removeParameter() causes notice for invalid keys when calling with by-ref assignment
20:41 _cheerios david: are you using hadoop by now?
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20:47 _cheerios I'm wondering ifs tech would be usable for a simple document save/retrieval storage? hbase, probably being what i need.
20:51 CIA-65 david * r4341 /branches/1.0/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix #1175: AgaviAttributeHolder::removeAttribute() does not return values by reference if array key access is used
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20:57 sth I'm missing bonfire night :(
20:58 _cheerios meh @ "Your ideal highly available cluster would have 5 or more dedicated Zookeeper servers, 2-3 dedicated Master servers (one per rack for example), 1 very reliable Namenode/Job Tracker server with redundant hardware and the rest is the usual Datanode/Task Tracker/Region Server stack. If you don't even have twice that amount of machines, you will have to evaluate some trade-offs."
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05:30 Fou4th_ is agavi officially supports php for windows?
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05:41 Fou4th <b>Warning</b>: copy(E:\dev\uggw\app\cache\config\fac3023.tmp) [<a href='function.copy'>function.copy</a>]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in <b>E:\php-libs\agavi\config\AgaviConfigCache.class.php</b> on line <b>536</b><br />
05:45 Fou4th PHP 5.2.10
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07:39 simoncpu hi... if i need to access the model from my master template,
07:39 simoncpu where do i uhm...
07:40 simoncpu i need to code my model in the base model if i need to get its output in the master template, right?
07:52 Jarda whaat?
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07:53 simoncpu rewind, rewind, rewing
07:53 simoncpu *rewind
07:54 simoncpu where will i modify my models and views for use in the master template?
07:55 simoncpu base model base view, right?
07:55 Jarda no?
07:55 simoncpu but what if i only need to set it on this specific template?
07:55 Jarda please explain what you are trying to do
07:56 simoncpu i have a master template, which is used by 90% of the page
07:56 simoncpu in that template, i wish to display the machine's host name
07:56 Jarda I would do it as a slot
07:56 Jarda <?php echo $slots['hostname'];?>
07:56 simoncpu where will i do something like $this->setAttribute('hostname', foobar()); ?
07:57 simoncpu ahhh....
07:57 simoncpu looks up in the examples for slots
07:58 Jarda http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/step4/slots.html
07:58 simoncpu coool... thanks for the pointer
07:58 Jarda no problem :)
07:59 horros Huomenta.
08:13 simoncpu nice, slots work
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08:58 graste huomenta
09:06 sth Morning
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09:26 Fou4th 
09:28 horros I disagree.
09:38 sth I disagree with Markus.
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10:03 _cheerios huomenta
10:03 sth Hey
10:04 shrink0r howdy
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10:12 fnordfish shrink0r is in good mood today ;)
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10:25 Xylakant unusually good, yes
10:40 Xylakant #26">http://code.google.com/p/myspaceid-php-sdk/source/browse/trunk/samples/myspaceid​-oauth/index.php#26
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11:04 _cheerios Xylakant, ehh?? :D
11:04 Xylakant yeah, that's what I thought
11:04 Xylakant bonus points for the wikipedia reference
11:08 _cheerios someones first php code i spose
11:09 fnordfish the wiki article is a good read, anyways
11:10 fnordfish i mean, those linked in it (on heap etc.)
11:10 _cheerios ive not devved for myspace. is there money to be made in that ecosystem?
11:10 simoncpu dunno... i've only tried facebook
11:10 simoncpu didn't make a lot of money, but....
11:10 simoncpu BUT IT'S A GOOD WAY TO MEET GIRLS!
11:12 simoncpu eh... the code looks like a C application
11:12 simoncpu i sometimes write that way for CLI apps
11:12 simoncpu but it looks like a web app... html tags....
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11:25 Xylakant simoncpu: i guess there is some money to be made coding for myspace
11:25 Xylakant at least our customer wants me to do the openid integration for them
11:26 simoncpu cool... btw, speaking of apis and integration, do you guys know where using php as filesystem might be useful?
11:27 simoncpu i can't seem to finish my pet project, because i don't see the point in doing so...
11:27 simoncpu you know, mounting flickr or multiply or myspace pages in the file system or something....
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11:52 _cheerios omg. im getting so old. i saw like 30 kids loitering outside the office. then im told theyre uni students. heh. not kids after all :D
11:52 saracen lo
11:52 saracen l
11:52 saracen GET OFF MAI LAWN
11:53 horros _cheerios: Mmh, I wanted to grab a kids hair and beat his head repeatedly against the bus window this morning. Just for being an obnoxious insolent little brat with no manners who can't keep quiet.
11:55 CIA-65 david * r4342 /branches/1.0/ (433 files in 3 dirs): Updated timezone database to version 2009q, closes #1176
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12:53 Xylakant http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/ccurtice/?action=view&current=Sexphone.jpg
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14:56 shrink0r ^^ http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Thats-Helpful.aspx
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16:04 Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.1 :: testing: 1.0.2 RC2 :: maintenance: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://ohloh.net/p/agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC :: Yaaaaaarrr!
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17:23 krycek_ I don't know that FPF does that makes FF ignore next scripts after <script src=""></script>, putting <script src="">SOMETHING HERE</script> makes it read the next script tag
17:33 krycek_ putting a space inside of every script tag solved the problem, but looks like a bug
17:34 Jarda I guess fpf has nothing to do with that..
17:35 krycek_ but disabling FPF it works
17:36 krycek_ its very strange indeed, because FPF enabled or disabled works fine in chrome... but for FF, it needs to be disabled
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22:54 Rendez does anyone have an URL validator?
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08:17 Jarda shouldn't be too hard
08:18 Jarda some preg_match magic
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09:02 slocum hi, are there anywhere config_handles.xml examples?
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09:44 graste what do you want to know? how to use your own configs?
09:48 graste i'll paste an example; 1 mom
09:59 graste http://pastie.org/687707
10:00 graste wah 10 minutes :<
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11:48 slocum graste: great! thank you
11:49 graste no worries :)
11:49 slocum graste: i will try it
11:49 graste ping me if it works, so I can perhaps make a faq entry out of this
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16:30 slocum i have tried to add <parameter> to a <layout>; how can i get det values in Master.php?
16:30 slocum my output_types.xml -- http://pastie.org/687966
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16:35 Jarda what are you trying to do?
16:35 Jarda it seems to me, you're trying to do something that should be in settings.xml
16:36 Jarda something like <settings prefix="com.myapp."> <setting name="author">John Doe</setting> </settings>
16:37 Jarda then do AgaviConfig::get('com.myapp.author') in your templates
16:41 slocum i will try to include these values in <html><head><meta...>
16:41 slocum its only a test
16:42 Jarda well, I don't know if there is a better way to do it, but that AgaviConfig-thing should work there also
16:42 slocum when i do this in the level of <layout_s_>, then the values are in the http-headers
16:43 Jarda oh, ok
16:45 slocum i have tryed it with echo $t['author'] - but nothing ist in the output
16:46 graste IMHO you get parameters defined for a layout as the return value of the loadLayout() method
16:47 graste just as an example ;
16:48 slocum the layout "default" is loaded in BaseView.php
16:50 slocum ergo: i must load the layout manually?
16:50 graste did you try something like $rq->getAttribute('style_sheets', $domain, array()); ?
16:50 slocum no, i have not, i'll try it
16:53 graste bbl
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16:58 slocum graste: i can't access the value; hmmm?
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10:42 saracen impl: You about?
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11:10 skeud hello
11:11 skeud i'm trying to use the slots in Agavi
11:11 skeud but I'm facing to an issue that I don't understand
11:11 skeud I added the slot declaration in the output_types.xml
11:12 skeud and created "Navigation" and "Footer" action/template in my Widgets module
11:12 skeud and now I have an agaviException thrown ---> Unknown layout "slot"
11:22 Jarda http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/config/output_types.xml like this?
11:27 skeud yeah like this http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/step4/slots.html
11:28 skeud which is similar (just <slots>all my slots</slots>)
11:31 Jarda do you have <layout name="slot">...
11:32 skeud nope
11:32 skeud hum
11:34 skeud ok I checked the stage4 from the tuto
11:36 v-dogg if you don't specify a layout name explicitly agavi tries to load a layout called "slot" for slot'ed actions
11:39 v-dogg so, either define such a layout, give a different layout name in this->setupHtml (view) or alter the default name in your base view
11:40 skeud <layout name="simple">
11:40 skeud <layer name="content" />
11:40 skeud </layout>
11:40 skeud I had this simple layout by default
11:40 skeud and in the "tuto stage4" source code
11:40 skeud simple is just replaced by "slot"
11:40 skeud then I understand that I have to declare the layout
11:41 skeud but why the layer content is in the slot layout?
11:42 v-dogg that's where the content of the action is put
11:43 v-dogg every action has it's own
11:43 skeud oh ok
11:43 skeud thanks for the explanation
11:46 skeud have a nice sunday ;-)
11:55 v-dogg I'm tring to but this terrible hangover just doesn't go away..
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12:09 Jarda v-dogg: fail :D
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12:23 v-dogg Jallu-shots after midnight quite often leads to fails
12:25 _cheerios glögi+vodka killed the fever! a new man again!
12:33 v-dogg spotify over 3g on a moving train <3
12:35 v-dogg it seems to buffer quite a lot because not even tunnels make it pause
12:35 v-dogg very cool
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08:18 _cheerios huomenta
08:38 ttj Yo.
08:40 _cheerios meh @ water leak on the main metro station.
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08:44 ttj *shrug*
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09:38 E_mE huomenta
09:38 sth Morning
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09:45 simoncpu uh...
09:45 simoncpu is slashdot mod points permanent?
09:45 simoncpu i thought it was given randomly
09:45 simoncpu and i'll just wait for a couple of months until i'm put back into the pool
09:48 sth no, they're given to people who vote on stuff and submit new content
09:49 simoncpu ah.... okidoki
09:55 graste huomenta
09:56 simoncpu huomenta dude
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13:12 CIA-34 david * r4349 /branches/1.0/src/renderer/AgaviSmartyRenderer.class.php: removed code left over by accident in [4269], refs #1139
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18:51 luke` how do I get $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME']?
18:54 luke` $rd->getHeaders() returns null
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19:00 v-dogg have you checked $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] :)
19:00 v-dogg only http_ vars are cleared
19:08 luke` v-dogg: I hadn't
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19:51 luke` The email validator doesn't seem to be able to validate url encoded email addresses
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19:51 luke` ex: payment?cemail=sm123%2540mailinator.com
19:52 luke` but works fine for cemail=sm123@mailinator.com
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20:25 _cheerios anyone run mysql cluster?
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21:56 krycek_ i'm trying to put a "<" inside a <textarea> (using javascript)... but FPF is not accepting it
21:59 krycek_ i tried changing from "<" to "&lt;" but then what shows up in the textarea is "&lt;" and not "<"... have anyone ever tried putting a "<" in a textarea using FPF?
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22:05 krycek_ &#60; doesn't work either ;/
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05:06 luke` huomenta
05:06 luke` anybody awake?
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08:46 graste huomenta
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11:19 fnordfish http://twtpoll.com/lxt2xe
11:21 sth Can PEAR be classed as a framework?
11:22 v-dogg can Zend? ;)
11:22 v-dogg ok, it has improved into that direction lately, I believe
11:22 v-dogg it originally it was nothing more than a utility library
11:23 v-dogg *but
11:27 simoncpu can Agavi be classified as a framework?
11:27 simoncpu i don't think so
11:27 simoncpu Agavi, on the other hand, can be classfied
11:27 simoncpu as a torturing device
11:27 simoncpu hahaha
11:27 fnordfish i read turing device ;)
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11:31 sth Yay, a new software update for OS X
11:32 horros SWEET!
11:32 horros ...
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11:34 v-dogg I sense sarcasm :)
11:34 horros Well sensed :)
11:34 sth heh
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11:41 E_mE sth: you going to a jester to that canadian newspaper?
11:42 E_mE i think you should :D
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11:42 E_mE or say, "Agavi wouldn't of incorrectly sensed such death" hoho
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11:46 sth doubt it
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12:39 _cheerios huomenta
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13:09 Jarda my macbook is borken
13:10 sth fix it then
13:14 Jarda it'd cost 700e + work
13:14 Jarda maybe I just buy a new mbp
13:14 sth What did you do to it?
13:14 Jarda nothing, external display port stopped working
13:15 sth they don't 'stop' working without something happening
13:16 Jarda I have absolutely no idea, maybe the projector at uni broke it
13:16 _cheerios friends air stopped working on our trip, keyboard+mouse stopped functioning :)
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13:19 v-dogg _cheerios: didn't you hear what sth just said? they do _not_ just stop working
13:20 sth Not without being damaged
13:21 _cheerios wow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxiOKKF721U
13:25 horros The DVD on my Boss's iBook also did.. errm, not suddenly stop working.
13:29 v-dogg sth: so you are saying mac gear never just wear out?
13:33 sth depends on age.
13:33 sth But internal components should last for ages.
13:34 sth Moving parts sure, but the usb bus breaking would take some sort of shock to trigger
13:40 luke` trac down?
13:40 sth nope
13:42 Wombert Jarda: did you do a PMU/SMC reset?
13:43 _cheerios sth: except for batteries, those are unpredictable. replaced one that lasted a whole 7 charges. :)
13:44 Wombert Jarda: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1411
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13:51 Jarda Wombert: no, because it has something to do with the physical port. When I attach my external monitor the internal monitor starts to blink and nothing comes to the external
13:52 Wombert Jarda: do an smc reset
13:52 Wombert try it
13:52 Wombert I have had the exact same issue before
13:52 Wombert reset fixed it
13:52 Wombert well, my internal screen stayed dark no matter what, but still
13:52 Jarda ok, well the macbook is at the locl service point, have to try that when I get it back
13:52 Wombert isn't it still covered under warranty?
13:52 luke` settings.xml points to web.php as the production template. How do I use it when using ezcomponents? I can't set the header stuff within the ezt
13:53 Jarda Wombert: no, its 1,5 years old and no apple care
13:53 Wombert luke`: exceptions?
13:53 Wombert exception templates are always php...
13:53 luke` Wombert: yes
13:53 luke` cool
13:53 luke` then the build script maybe broken
13:54 luke` because it created web.ezt
13:54 Wombert luke`: https://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/exception/AgaviException.class.p​hp
13:54 Wombert oh?
13:54 Wombert yeah that might be
13:55 sth The build script is rather busted.
13:56 Wombert yp
13:56 Wombert that's indeed a bug
13:56 Wombert can you file a ticket for me, luke`?
13:56 Wombert thanks
13:59 luke` Wombert: sure... give me a few mins
14:08 luke` I keep getting "OperationalError: database is locked" when accessing trac
14:08 luke` Wombert:
14:18 sth Refresh
14:19 impl luke`: it happens because Trac/mod_python sucks, it'll go away if you keep refreshing
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14:20 luke` impl: are you using mysql behind trac?
14:21 impl luke`: I believe it's sqlite
14:21 luke` impl: that's probably the issue
14:21 luke` Wombert: http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1179
14:23 Wombert ty
14:24 Wombert sqlite is always the issue
14:24 Wombert :>
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14:38 impl also the build script is only busted because you changed it after I was done with it :(
14:44 sth heh
14:44 sth I blame Xylakant :D
14:44 impl Ich auch
14:44 Xylakant yeah, i know
14:45 impl but it's okay, I believe he was warned initially that it would be a dangerous task
14:45 impl and I respect a man who takes on dangerous tasks
14:45 Xylakant it's a bit a weird problem, phing not clearing properties the way it should
14:46 sth I know this wont help the windows users, but can we make one that just uses unix shell commands? :P
14:46 impl yes, that's why every single property I define is set as user-set
14:46 impl which is the highest priority possible
14:46 Xylakant I use user-set as well
14:46 impl because I didn't feel like dealing with Phing's retarded property priority hierarchy
14:47 Xylakant I haven't tracked the real issue atm
14:47 impl :(
14:47 Xylakant sth: we could use rake or something
14:47 Xylakant even ant would probably be an improvement
14:48 impl I wouldn't switch to ant
14:48 impl ant/phing aren't designed for this sort of usage
14:48 Xylakant but we can't use information from the app itself then or would have to implement some things again
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14:48 Xylakant probably a pure php/agavi implementation would be best
14:49 sth all else fails, make an ncurses implementation
14:51 Xylakant that still doesn't give us the option to use information from the app itself
14:51 Xylakant such as directory layout etc
14:54 saracen impl: You ignored my pm's the otherday
14:54 saracen I asked you about the rb600 =(
14:54 impl saracen: sorry, I didn't see them
14:54 impl what do you want?
14:55 saracen I wanted to know if you messed around with routerboards + wifi before
14:55 impl Xylakant: we can't do an Agavi buildsystem + have an Agavi project because of stupid things like AgaviConfig only having static members
14:55 impl saracen: if by 'wifi' you mean 'compiled the madwifi driver' then yes
14:55 Xylakant impl: I know
14:55 saracen No, by 'wifi' I mean't 'have you ever climbed a tree at two different locations, with roughly a distance of 20 miles between them and tried to get a signal'
14:55 Xylakant and then there's the singleton context etc
14:56 saracen and calculated fresnel stuffz
14:56 impl Xylakant: context is a factory for itself so it could potentially work if there aren't any conflicts
14:56 impl 'build' context or whatever
14:56 saracen AgaviConfig should die
14:56 Xylakant saracen: there's cables across the atlantic, you don't need to establish a wireless connection to talk to anyone over there
14:57 impl saracen: no, but you should talk to Marlow if you can get a hold of him
14:57 Xylakant impl: yes, if we can safely assume that. that's a big 'if'
14:57 saracen Marlow?
14:57 impl he uses my patch for providing wireless Internet access to Ireland
14:57 impl yes
14:57 saracen Oh i see
14:57 Xylakant saracen: getting rid of AgaviConfig is a bit of a problem
14:57 impl Xylakant: indeed.
14:57 impl for Agavi 2... :-)
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14:58 Xylakant yeah :)
14:58 saracen Xylakant: Yeah, I know =(. But if configuration could be tied to the context rather than being global, I'd like.
14:58 impl saracen: nobody wants to do $context->getConfig()->get(...) though.
14:59 Xylakant well, the problem is that settings.xml contains settings that must be known *before* you create a context
14:59 impl I feel like IoC/DI is useful, I just wish there were a good way to do it in PHP
14:59 saracen Nobody but agavi developers! It's a rare thing when I have to use AgaviConfig in my projects, maybe thats just me though
14:59 impl (in this regard)
14:59 Xylakant such as "which context implementation" should be used
14:59 Xylakant saracen: I often use AgaviContext
14:59 impl Xylakant: yeah, that'd have to be maintained elsewhere/not in AgaviConfig
15:00 Xylakant and I'm pretty certain you also do so
15:00 saracen Yeah, I understand the need for global configuration settings, but they could be moved
15:00 saracen I use them
15:00 Xylakant everytime you use %core.app_dir% in a config file you do
15:00 impl they're specific to bootstrapping the application instance
15:00 saracen But it's not like i'm constantly typing it out to be a problem
15:00 Xylakant saracen: where's the point in moving them
15:00 saracen Yeah, but I'd still be able to access it via that
15:00 impl Xylakant: so we can remove any singletons in the framework itself
15:01 Xylakant then we'd just have another config file that's global
15:01 saracen Xylakant: Because in php7 we'll have multithread support (I made this up) and then we can run two contexts concurrently
15:01 Xylakant well, you can do that
15:01 saracen I know, :)
15:01 Xylakant since AgaviConfig should not contain any context specific configurations
15:01 impl Xylakant: that's fine though, because it would vary for whether your bootstrapping the application over the Web or via the build system, etc
15:01 impl you're*
15:02 sth sets fire to saracen
15:03 saracen Well, my my contexts were part of two different applications, which I just happened to be using in, other, php project, I imagine I'd see problems
15:03 saracen if my*
15:03 saracen SO I'd have to bootstrap two of them
15:03 saracen Would that work?
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15:04 impl saracen: I don't think you can have two Agavi application instances running in the same script
15:04 sth I imagine one would error
15:04 impl I would be very, very surprised if you could get that to work out of the box.
15:04 impl even with rigging on your end
15:05 saracen Well, I'm pretty sure AgaviConfig would be the first problem, as it stores project paths, and I can't make two instances of it
15:05 impl yeah
15:05 saracen The Agavi context singleton would be another I suppose =(
15:06 Xylakant AgaviContext is not a real singleton
15:06 impl I guess we need a FactoryFactory
15:06 impl mm
15:06 impl factory factories.
15:06 Xylakant you can have multiple instances of it
15:06 impl yes, but you can't have multiple instances referencing different projects entirely
15:06 Xylakant the getInstance() method just returns the same instance as long as you pass the same name
15:06 sth Woo, apparently I don't follow the Agavi coding standards because I add a space between if and the bracket
15:06 saracen Yeah, which would work if both agavi projects you're using are the same version. You'd just have to make sure you don't include multiples.
15:06 impl sth: DEATH TO YOU
15:06 saracen But if they were different agavi versions running, that'd be potentially a fuck up
15:06 Xylakant sth: so do I and I get beaten up every time for it
15:07 sth I refuse to remove the space
15:07 impl at least you don't do if( foo )
15:07 impl :)
15:07 sth if (condition) is much nicer to look at than if(condition)
15:07 saracen sth: Do you do the same for switches/while/for?
15:07 sth yup
15:08 saracen I add a space most of the time, but I don't for switches() ;x
15:08 saracen it just looks weird to me
15:08 impl ew.
15:08 saracen Oh wait, yeah, I dont add a space for for or while either. Only for if ;x
15:08 impl that's inconsistent.
15:08 impl wtf
15:08 saracen Aye, I know
15:09 sth who ever came up with the agavi coding standards should be shot
15:09 saracen I try to add it when I remember to now, just because of the inconsistancy, even if it doesnt look right to me
15:09 saracen I didn't think agavi had coding standards, there's plenty of older stuff in there which is drastically different
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15:10 impl sth: they're from Mojavi (feti) and the original Agavi guys (Bob et al)
15:10 sth they're on the wiki
15:10 saracen Plus, fuck coding standards. Just use phc to output xml and get impl to write a transformer to make it all very consistant :)
15:10 sth Right, I'll make sure to hit Sean if I meet him
15:11 saracen phc for developers: Convert PHP into a well-defined XML format, process it with your own tools, and convert it back to PHP.
15:11 saracen Problem solved
15:11 impl I will stab you in the face
15:11 saracen But you love dealing with XML =(
15:12 saracen Isn't XSLT stuff your hobby
15:12 impl not really :p
15:12 saracen It was when you were 15
15:12 saracen I have logs.
15:12 impl k
15:13 saracen I dont actually know if you were 15
15:13 saracen But when I spied on you using agavi logs, when you first joined the channel
15:13 saracen It's all you spoke about; that and IRC bots
15:14 impl I would have been about 15, yeah.
15:16 saracen IRC AGE DETECTION. I guess stalking children on the old MSN chat rooms did pay off
15:18 saracen Anybody here ever used arch linux?
15:19 v-dogg mmm.. I think my first asus eepc had that
15:23 saracen do you remember liking it?
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16:20 Jarda v-dogg: I guess it had xandros..
16:20 Jarda at least the one I have has..
16:30 v-dogg oh, ok then
16:32 Jarda I can check it tomorrow
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17:02 CIA-34 david * r4350 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/build/agavi/script/agavi.php): Fix #1180: Duplicate error message if agavi console script cannot determine Phing version
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17:22 impl Duplicate error message?
17:22 impl that's bug-worthy?
17:22 impl *g*
17:29 E_mE very neat clock http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/20/biergert-and-funk-qlocktwo-gets-an-english-ve​rsion-our-sincerest/
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18:09 luke` How do I validate url encoded email address?
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09:04 horros For ye finns; http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/5852/minvahingossa.jpg
09:08 Jarda not funny :/
09:09 horros I find it incredibly funny.
09:09 horros And also the fact that people from Helsinki are complaining that "oh my god, I now have to walk AT LEAST THREE BLOCKS!"
09:11 v-dogg haha
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09:31 sth Morning
09:36 simoncpu http://mundy.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/30/ceiling_cat.jpg
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11:25 _cheerios huomenta
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12:50 _cheerios #php is funny in a sad way
12:54 saracen haha, i can't believe it
12:54 saracen I just cancelled my car insurance in record time
12:54 saracen I was literally on the phone 40 seconds
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13:04 Jarda Undefined index: propel in
13:04 Jarda D:\netbeans\ecomwebi21\libs\agavi\database\AgaviPropelDatabase.class.php:195
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13:11 v-dogg so a big red warning message to all propel users: DO NOT UPGRADE TO PROPEL 1.4
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13:11 v-dogg unless you are a symfony user. then it's all gogo
13:17 _cheerios :)
13:18 Xylakant Jarda: seems they changed the config file format
13:18 Xylakant shouldn't be too hard to fix
13:18 Jarda yeah, writing a fix to it just now
13:20 v-dogg an option to disable config parsing all together might be nice to have too
13:20 sth I get to draw for all of this week :D
13:26 Jarda ok, not that easy then..
13:26 Jarda autoloading goes nuts
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13:50 Jarda ok, working now, wanna have a patch Xylakant ?
13:50 Xylakant could you create a ticket and attach the patch?
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13:50 Xylakant that would be awesome, thanks
13:55 Jarda whoops http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1181
13:56 Jarda Mean't to do it while logged in..
13:56 Jarda well, doesn't matter I guess
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13:59 sth Trac is normally broken when I try to log in
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14:23 Xylakant Jarda: somehow it displays your name, so I guess you were logged in
14:23 Xylakant anyways, in any case - thanks for the report and the patch
14:24 Jarda no problems, hope it helps at least as a guide line of what need's to be done :)
14:25 Jarda *needs
14:49 Xylakant yes, since we have to keep 1.3 compat we can't keep the patch as it is
14:49 Xylakant but it's a start
14:49 Xylakant thanks in any case
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15:58 Jarda I thought it wouldn't break 1.3 compatibility
15:58 Jarda haven't got any time to test it though..
16:02 Jarda Xylakant: yeah, doesn't seem to break 1.3 compat
16:03 Jarda tried on a 1.3 project
16:03 Xylakant hmm, i just had a short look at the patch and I thought it did
16:03 Xylakant maybe I was wrong
16:05 Jarda but please proove me wrong, I am no expert :)
16:06 Xylakant :) I'd rather not
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16:33 Rendez hi
16:33 Rendez how would it be to include 2 parents in a validator.xml?
16:33 Rendez is it possible?
16:39 sth One inherits the other?
16:39 sth 1->2->3
16:44 sth Failing that, x:include is an option manybe
16:44 sth maybe*
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17:52 _cheerios first day feeling healthyish in ages. good times. means lots of programming to follow this winter \o/
18:02 Rendez sth: yeah, I though about it
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18:37 _cheerios pos terminal hanging up on me :<
18:38 _cheerios gnome-terminal fail
18:38 _cheerios needed a gui client to kill it
18:40 saracen Why not kill it in a terminal? (outside of X, of course :P)
18:43 _cheerios all the terminals hung
18:43 _cheerios ah, didn't get out of X niceness.
18:46 _cheerios meh. chrome-unstable has become unusable, back to firefox.
18:50 saracen :D
18:51 Jarda I'd like to use chrome
18:51 Jarda but no chrome for os x
18:52 saracen haha, bet you wish webkit ran on OSX so they could port it easier.
18:52 Jarda ...
18:52 saracen yes, it was sarcasm.
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19:05 sth Oh hai saracen
19:06 sth Jarda: the chrome build for OS X is fine
19:06 Jarda sth: the one with crossover office?
19:06 sth No
19:06 sth There's a native build
19:06 _cheerios meh, no light 13.3"(or higher) laptops (<1.4Kg) in the market with good cpu + 4GB ram?
19:06 Jarda http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel this?
19:07 sth yup
19:07 Jarda ok, haven't tried
19:07 sth _cheerios: the mbp is fine
19:07 Jarda should I buy the 13,3" mbp or just the new unibody mb
19:07 _cheerios too heavy, and air has only 2GB ram
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19:08 sth Jarda: the mbp
19:08 sth the mb sucks
19:08 Jarda yeah, the mbp has backlit keyboard
19:08 Jarda I've always wanted..
19:08 sth _cheerios: 2.5GB is 'too heavy'?
19:09 _cheerios yer, carry it around for a day and it starts to feel heavy idd :)
19:09 sth _cheerios: I carry mine around a lot
19:09 _cheerios messenger or backpack?
19:10 sth backpack
19:10 sth But I've used messenger bags before
19:11 _cheerios can you get the mbp with an ssd?
19:12 sth yup
19:12 _cheerios three things i hate about laptops 1) slow 2) small res 3) heavy -- other than that they're ok :)
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19:15 sth my mbp seems quick enough
19:15 _cheerios aiming to upgrade work laptop turn of the year, shopping a bit to see what's available
19:15 Jarda My '08 macbook broke, so I have to buy a new one
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19:15 sth mmm food
19:25 Jarda oh, google chrome actually works on os x
19:25 Jarda how about flash performance
19:25 Jarda if it sucks as much as firefox, it's back to safari
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19:27 Jarda farmville doesn't work properly
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19:37 sth OH NOES
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20:18 Jarda damn google developers
20:18 Jarda chrome doesn't respect os x key bindings
20:19 v-dogg ooor... maybe os x doesn't respect googles bindings
20:19 Jarda might bee.
20:20 Jarda be..
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22:04 Rendez I found out that the regex validator will fail if the match isn't being captured with a regex group
22:05 Rendez it took me a while to find that out, don't know if this should be avoided, or if it's necessary for the parameter to get to the action...
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22:29 _cheerios ugh :( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/11/charla-nash-chimp-attack_n_354001.html
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22:50 _cheerios mbps can be scary http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/macbook-pro-battery-flies-off-the-handle-bust​s-wide-open/
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22:55 sth sweet
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23:11 _cheerios should've updated e71 firmware earlier. it doesn't lag anymore while browsing menus :D
23:12 _cheerios well, n900 in a few weeks if it's good enough :new-gadget-drool:
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23:26 _cheerios hehe "The iDont add from Nokia featuring its N900 model." http://yoono.com/FBVsks6
23:30 E_mE_ are there any good examples of the FPF parameters, for inserting error message automatically etc
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09:23 sth Morning
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11:10 graste huomenta
11:12 sth Hey
11:14 fnordfish morning :)
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20:04 saracen I need to disallow access to an action based upon the request data received, is there a better way to do this rather than add the logic to both executeWrite and executeRead?
20:04 saracen It's not just one action I need to add this to, either. It's a few, based upon what they're accessing (which I can see with the request data)
20:05 saracen wait
20:05 saracen I suppose the best way would to just be to change my validator slightly and have it global
20:05 saracen nm!
20:05 saracen I've been drinking =(
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20:06 saracen Another question though!
20:07 saracen Is it okay to perform a forward from a validator?
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20:17 sth no
20:17 sth You would need die if you tried it
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20:22 _cheerios jee
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21:21 Rayne which library would you recommend for talking to openid servers? how about Zend's or http://www.openidenabled.com/php-openid/ ?
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22:19 Rendez huomenta!
22:19 Rayne hey Rendez
22:20 Rendez I am open to listen to the answer for that question
22:21 Rendez which are you using?
22:22 Rayne openid lib? just searching for a good one. read something bad about the openidenabled.com lib (stupid code, does not work with php6 [but with 5.version-not-named] because of php4 hacks)
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09:58 _cheerios huomenta
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11:22 E_mE huomenta
11:22 sth Hey
11:27 E_mE _cheerios: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-g-etgFk80&feature=channel
11:27 _cheerios E_mE, eye, hectic stuff :)
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11:30 E_mE sth: fine day in ze Deutschland?
11:31 sth It's sunny :D
11:31 sth How's the UK?
11:55 E_mE cloudy
11:55 E_mE and getting dark far to early
11:55 E_mE about 4pm now :(
11:55 sth It's about 5pm ish
11:56 sth Give or take 20 minutes
11:56 E_mE ja
11:56 E_mE but only 1 1/2 months till the days get longer again :D
11:56 sth :D
11:56 sth I really hate winter
11:57 E_mE im off to Vietnam for 2 weeks over winter, that will break it up abit ;)
11:57 E_mE hehe
11:57 simoncpu vietnam chix are hot
11:57 E_mE i like it when it snows in winter
11:57 E_mE simoncpu: so is vietnam ... drum roll
11:57 sth *dum dum tish*
11:58 sth I'm off to the UK for 2 weeks in the winter
11:59 E_mE give you an idea of how mad vietnam is, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebkogYErN3Y&feature=related
11:59 sth Is this just good morning vietnam?
11:59 E_mE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIOLihISKiA&NR=1
11:59 E_mE no
11:59 E_mE its insantiy
11:59 sth That was a great film, I should go find that
12:00 E_mE kind of half looking forward and half not looking forward to that part
12:02 E_mE sth: did you see it?
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13:41 _cheerios if anyone needs a google wave invite, pm me your email
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13:52 J-P_ did you get my private message ?
13:52 J-P_ ahh, this nickname is not registered
13:53 J-P_ lazy me
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15:02 J-P_ hi
15:02 J-P_ what's the easiest way to "validate" an empty string
15:03 Seldaek the notempty validator (not sure it's that anymore.. it's been a while)
15:03 Seldaek except you use a "not" validaator around it
15:04 Seldaek isnotempty is the name
15:05 J-P_ i'll take a look thnx
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15:12 sth haha http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2009/11/11/image/280088_RGB.jpg
15:12 sth sfw
15:14 J-P_ not working very well
15:14 J-P_ I'm trying to validate an empty string as well as any string
15:15 J-P_ maybe I should use the or operator
15:18 J-P_ any clues ?
15:20 J-P_ http://pastie.org/697331
15:20 J-P_ am-I missing somethign ?
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15:33 J-P_ help ?
15:34 Xylakant J-P_: an empty string counts as "not set at all"
15:34 Xylakant at least assuming this is a form submission
15:35 Xylakant you can just set 'required="false"'
15:35 J-P_ but then, the input will not be validated
15:35 J-P_ thus not present in the request data
15:36 J-P_ so I won't be able to "empty" the value of this field in my database
15:44 Xylakant J-P_: well, I assume you're passing $rd->getParameters() to the database?
15:44 J-P_ exacly
15:45 Xylakant personally, I think that's not exactly a good practice but anyways
15:45 Xylakant there's two ways of dealing with that
15:45 Xylakant you can either fiddle around with validation and provides/depends to use an agaviSetValidator to set the value if there is none present
15:46 J-P_ or set the value manually using an isset() in my model...
15:46 Xylakant or you can just create your parameter array and call $rd->getParameter('member[phone_fax]', '')
15:46 Xylakant and merge that with your parameter array
15:47 Xylakant i actually prefer explicitly constructing the data arrays I pass to the database
15:57 Jarda we export empty values as null
15:59 Jarda if we would have something like <input name="foo[bar]" type="text" /> the validator would do <ae:parameter name="export">foo[bar]</ae:parameter> and in the action $fooModel->fromArray($rd->getParameter('foo'));
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Log opened Fri Nov 13 16:35:12 2009
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16:50 bobbytek2 how do I fix this issue:
16:50 bobbytek2 Fri Nov 6 21:15:59 2009] Form Population Filter could not parse the document due to the following error:
16:50 bobbytek2 Line 2: failed to load external entity "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";
16:50 bobbytek2 I realize it can't resolve the dtd, but how should I fix?
16:51 bobbytek2 doesn't it have a dtd cache?
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17:02 bobbytek2 :(
17:05 Rendez I find hard to understand the FPF conf
17:06 Rendez in the <ae:parameter name="field_error_messages"> param
17:06 Rendez how would I do to add the class .error only to input[type=text]?
17:06 Rendez have anyone played with this already?
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17:10 bobbytek2 MikeSeth: any idea why this might be happening?
17:10 bobbytek2 The only thing that changed was php was recompiled with zlib
17:11 saracen Rendez: My *guess* would be <ae:parameter name="self::${htmlnsPrefix}input[@type='text']">
17:11 Rendez I think the problem is that it fallsback to "error_class_map"
17:11 Rendez that's why I am not seeing changes I presume
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17:15 bobbytek2 looks like http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd isn't resolving
17:15 bobbytek2 can I just get rid of it in the declaration?
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17:42 bobbytek2 okay, downloaded to my catalog
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17:42 bobbytek2 crises averted :)
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17:46 erisco HEY
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09:25 graste huomenta
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13:02 _cheerios huomenta
13:02 _cheerios 2010 next year. meh, feels big.
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15:31 spike hi
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17:26 _cheerios HEI, HEI, HEI!
17:27 _cheerios "London Cemeteries So Crowded People Encouraged To Share Grave w/ Stranger" :p
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17:38 _cheerios lol @ Macroblogging with Woofer. 1400 character MINIMUM. http://woofertime.com/
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20:01 luke` How do I log at multiple levels? Say I want a message to go both into the debug log and error log?
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20:36 graste <logger name="lukes_error_and_debug" class="AgaviLogger" level="AgaviLogger::DEBUG | AgaviLogger::ERROR"> ... </logger>
20:36 graste then define a layout and appender for it
20:42 graste http://pastie.org/698942
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00:55 spike I don't see any documentation about advanced routes that support regexps matching and the like, the definitive guide only speaks about straight /class/action matching
00:57 spike I've found this http://www.yiiframework.com/doc/api/CUrlRule#routePattern-detail but it's not clear to me how you're supposed to use it and if it's about what I'm talking about
01:09 spike duh, sorry, wrong channel
01:10 spike if nothing else in agavi that's crystal clear
01:13 saracen :D
01:13 saracen Maybe you shouldnt be using yii then :)
01:16 spike saracen: still trying to make up my mind
01:17 spike been reading documentation all day and going through examples and tutorials trying to port the python app I have to see what's like
01:22 spike I very much like agavi's structure and adherence to OOP and the fact that it is certainly something of its own, cakePHP, cogeigniter and yii all seem to share a few dubious approaches
01:25 saracen Well,, I don't have experience with other frameworks, but I can say that it took a little while to get my head around agavi, but that was mostly because even MVC was new to me. The documentation that's on the site wasn't written back then, but i got on OK by reading the source code. The source code is well written and documented enough you can get by. So if here, the mailing list and the existing documentation fails you, searching the source code on tr
01:25 spike on the other hand with agavi I feel like I'm writing xml and not php... and the code seems to share a lot of the verbosity, all in all it feels like I'm writing java in php...
01:25 spike saracen: your message got cut off "conde on tr"
01:25 spike code*
01:26 saracen code on trac will more than likely reveal what you want to know. It's still my preference to visit the source code first though :)
01:27 spike the other thing is there doesn't seem to be much of an available integration with stuff like jquery for the frontend part. I most definitely appreciate keeping things clean and tidy and allow people to integrate their own, but there is a noticeable cost in that
01:27 spike unless I've missed the obvious of course
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01:29 spike but if that's the case I don't really wanna write my own middleware to integrate jquery widgets with agavi, that's just too much work right now
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01:36 saracen What sort of integration do you mean?
01:38 saracen Never used jquery, but I imagine it's widgets just make posts/gets using xml/json. Agavi supports different output types and will detect whether the query came from your web broswer or a javascript request
01:38 spike integration between the view and model, so for example I can place a weidget "dropdown list" in a view and tie it to some table/json output generated by the controller
01:42 saracen Well, say the dropdown list was being populated with a list of user names. You'd create an action "Users/GetAll", which accesses your models to fetch a list of usernames from a data source. You could send that to your view, which would now take the request type in to consideration. If it was a ordinary HTTP request, it could load a template with XHMTL in. If it was an AJAX request, you could reply with some json
01:43 saracen So if later down the line you wanted to support a SOAP request, you wouldnt have to touch the action, nor your models
01:44 saracen Just the view, to support that request
01:48 spike saracen: I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying that once you start to talk about all the things that you'd normally want in a mid-advanced web app that have to do with ajax and interaction of js widgets it helps if your framework is ware of them Vs you have to write all the glue yourself
01:49 spike agavi's design make all of that certainly possible and elegant to implement, but nonetheless something to implement, which partially defeats the point
01:50 spike one of the reasons to use a framework is that you want to write an application to do something you have in mind, not write code to do input data validation of a form field with a js function (one of the many useful things that some frameworks support)
01:53 saracen I'd be interested to know what glue other frameworks are using, it's dead easy to get agavi to respond to a query in a format you'd like. As for the integration you just mentioned, where you could have JS validate your fields before a form is submitted - That isn't built in. No. But I do remember seeing some people working on it, so it got the validation you required from the XML configs
01:56 saracen Agavi doesn't do things like xhtml helpers either. It concentrates on the core, and remembers that the application you might be building doesn't have to be accessed via HTTP
01:59 saracen The javascript validation thing wouldn't particularly work well with my projects, because my validators most of the time are more complex than just checking for a number, string or specific format.
02:02 saracen The one helper to do with forms agavi does have is the Form Population Filter though. So when your form has been submitted, if validation kicks up a fuss, it will automagically fill in your forms with the posted data and insert error messages relevent to that input
02:03 saracen field
02:05 spike good to know, I'll keep writing my demo in all the 3 frameworks and see what it's like
02:05 spike I know already that if I was building a backend service I'd be using agavi, but I'm not, at least not only
02:06 spike and I'm not really sure I want agavi to write a frontend, it just doesn't seem to be design to target that unless you wanna write a big custom project and are ready to do all the leg work to add another layer
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02:10 spike anyway, gtg, thanks for the discussion
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09:55 _cheerios huomenta!
10:05 ttj Yo.
10:05 _cheerios hello mr-getting-too-old
10:11 _cheerios web 2.0 expo going on next week in NYC it seems. just watched some old 2008 material yesterday.
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10:25 _cheerios meh, too much to watch from last months w2e summit http://www.web2expo.com/webexsf2009/public/schedule/proceedings
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05:59 PeYKaR humenta!
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08:47 graste huomenta
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09:19 sth Morning
09:46 E_mE huomenta
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10:19 flukey hi all
10:19 flukey quick question, who here has used ExtJs?
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10:26 sth Yay, my book has arrived
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10:41 _cheerios huomenta
10:42 slocum Hi,
10:42 slocum I have a request a maximum of 2 Varibale
10:42 slocum a) objekt/var1/x
10:42 slocum b) objekt/var1/x/var2/y
10:42 slocum it is better that the request in * one * or more actions
10:43 slocum run?
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10:50 _cheerios what is the difference between a,b? i fail to see how anything would be different
10:54 slocum Request 1: var1 == product
10:54 slocum Request 2: var2 == specification product
10:55 slocum var2 is not ever required
10:59 _cheerios sure, and how does either route correlate with the number of actions? use as many as you need, oft one is enough.
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11:02 slocum I thought, I would create n-routes with action="product" and different pattern="..."
11:09 _cheerios if it solves your problem, go for it. just keep less is more in mind :)
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11:59 ttj Is there any way to give names to arguments in the validator config, with which you could then call the data from the actual validator?
12:00 ttj (I.e. I have a ProjectValidator which takes project_id and revision. But now I'm getting project_id, revision_from and revision_to from the request, and I'd like to create to new projects with ProjectValidator.)
12:01 ttj (But the validator is expecting stuff named "revision", not "revision_from" or "revision_to".)
12:02 sth mmm, you probably shouldn't be creating stuff in the validator
12:04 ttj sth: The behavior is very similar to http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/step3/custom-validators.html
12:05 ttj I.e. I'm checking that project_id is in fact a real project, and then I have the option of passing a revision to that. And during the checking, I also happen to initialize the project classes with which I can then play.
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12:55 sth ttj: None of those create anything. They just export data
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13:03 ttj sth: Sorry, problem with terminology. I export data. :)
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13:05 sth ttj: :)
13:07 ttj But anyway, I hacked my way around it by just having the validator check if there's revision, revision_to, or revision_from as an argument, and then using those as the revision to get. Not pretty, but don't have time to dig deeper at this point. :/
13:07 sth Well, you can only have 1 argument in a validator
13:09 ttj Umm...?
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13:10 ttj I've happily given it multiple arguments and then retrieved them with getData(). :)
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13:15 Jarda sth: don't lie. <arguments><argument>foo</argument><argument>bar</argument></arguments> is valid
13:16 Xylakant it's even possible to have <arguments><argument name="boo">foo</argument><argument name="far">bar</argument></arguments>
13:17 Xylakant you can retrieve the argument list by $this->getArguments() which will give you array('boo' => 'foo', 'far' => 'bar');
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13:18 ttj Xylakant: Excellent, that's precisely what I was looking for. :)
13:19 Xylakant ttj: take care, even though one might expect it, $this->getArgument('boo') will not work
13:20 ttj I'm thinking I'll primarily check the names for certain keywords (namely project_id and revision). If neither exists, then I'm just going to check if project_id and revision exist as the argument. If not, then fail.
13:21 ttj And just use getData().
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14:56 Rendez is there a simple way to check with datetime validator two dates and the first one being always inferior to the second?
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15:22 Xylakant Rendez: min' Either an string or an array. When its a string the the its assumed to be in the format 'yyyy-MM-dd[ HH:mm:ss[.S]]'. When its an array it will take the minimum value from a request field. These indizes apply: 'format' A custom format string which should be used when the field is an string. 'field' The name of the field to use as minimum value (could be a previous exported calendar object). Do NOT use unvalidated fields here.
15:23 Xylakant quoting from the datetime validator docs ;)
15:23 Xylakant yes, it works, you need two validators though
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15:23 Xylakant and you need to validate the field that you'd like to check against first
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16:29 Rendez Xylakant: excellent
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16:44 Rendez Xylakant: http://pastie.textmate.org/private/ow784o0jjy3rd9zkijycyq
16:45 Xylakant not going to work
16:47 Xylakant you need two validator
16:47 Xylakant s
16:47 Xylakant and min is supposed to be a parameter and not an argument
16:48 Rendez but I can't export and then user that in min no?
16:48 Rendez use*
16:49 Rendez ah, I export start_date and use it as min in the second validator?
16:55 Xylakant yes
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16:59 Rendez Xylakant: just checking why this is still incorrent: http://pastie.textmate.org/private/ow784o0jjy3rd9zkijycyq
17:00 Xylakant When its a string the the its assumed to be in the format 'yyyy-MM-dd[ HH:mm:ss[.S]]'. When its an array it will take the minimum value from a request field.
17:00 Xylakant you're passing a string
17:02 Xylakant http://pastie.textmate.org/701176
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17:15 E_mE Xylakant: can you change the string context format to dd/mm/yyyy ?
17:15 Xylakant what?
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17:16 Xylakant you can either enter a fixed string which has to be in ISO format as specified or reference a field
17:16 Xylakant if you do reference a field, then
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17:16 Xylakant These indizes apply: 'format' A custom format string which should be used when the field is an string. 'field' The name of the field to use as minimum value (could be a previous exported calendar object).
17:18 Rendez well the pastie isn't working for any, I'm still a bit confused
17:18 Rendez sorry
17:18 Xylakant what's not working?
17:19 Xylakant yes, since you're casting to a string you probably have to specify a format for the field you're referencing
17:19 Xylakant so it's probably more like this http://pastie.textmate.org/701176
17:21 Rendez I've seen by default it converts to dd.MM.yyyy
17:22 Rendez in method getMinOrMaxValue
17:24 Xylakant no, it certainly does not
17:25 Xylakant the default parse format is yyyy-MM-dd HH:mm:ss.S as stated in the docs
17:26 Xylakant however it will first try to feed the date to strtotime()
17:29 Xylakant but only if you're passing a fixed string as min value
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17:30 Rendez yes
17:30 Rendez well at least the first validator should pass
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17:33 Xylakant certainly
17:34 Xylakant but i can't help you with "it does not work"
17:34 Xylakant you really need to be more specific about how it fails
17:37 Rendez when parse() fires it throwError
17:37 Rendez if(!$cal) {
17:37 Rendez try {
17:37 Rendez $format = new AgaviDateFormat($formatString);
17:37 Rendez $cal = $format->parse($param, $itemLocale, $check);
17:38 Rendez basically I pass this two params with date() and want them to validate as date_format, they come in as strings yes
17:39 Xylakant no, i need the input data
17:40 Rendez something like 15-12-2009
17:40 Rendez string
17:41 Xylakant well, how is that supposed to work if you explicitly state that the input is in dd.MM.yyyy format
17:41 Rendez I thought the cast_to would take of that
17:41 Xylakant you input does not match the required format, hence the validator fails
17:41 Rendez ok
17:41 Rendez silly
17:42 Xylakant cast_to casts a validated format to a desired output format for exporting
17:42 Xylakant that's all it does
17:42 Xylakant it does not change the expected input format
17:42 Rendez working
17:42 Rendez I just misunderstood
17:42 Rendez thought that dd.MM.yyyy was ISO like
17:42 Xylakant kk, good it works now
17:42 Xylakant no
17:42 Xylakant iso is yyyy-MM-dd
17:43 Rendez good that dates is the less I've worked with then
17:43 Rendez thanks a lot
17:44 Rendez since start_date it's already specifying the format in "min" I don't need to do it again no?
17:44 Rendez <ae:parameter name="field">casted_start_date</ae:parameter>
17:44 Rendez <ae:parameter name="format">yyyy-MM-dd</ae:parameter>
17:45 Xylakant the second validator knows nothing about the first validator
17:46 Xylakant it just references a field and the format part of the min parameter just specifies which format it expects in that given field
17:46 Xylakant short answer: yes, you have to
17:46 Xylakant the first validator config only specifies in which format this field will be filled
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17:48 Rendez I checked the code to be more sure, thanks
17:48 Rendez though it works I'm so interested in knowing the internals now
17:48 Rendez :)
17:49 Rendez hmm I wonder if it can be min + 1 day
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22:20 _cheerios so, who watched the video featuring the Gallery guy?
22:21 ttj I watched Layer Cake.
22:26 _cheerios oh, and yesterday Lost Room. definitely worth checking if itching for a small doze of sci-fi.
22:31 ttj Yay, my project plan diffing is done.
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11:26 _cheerios http://nodejs.org/ cool stuff
11:27 sth I was looking at that last night
11:51 _cheerios im stoked.
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12:25 Jarda I don't get wat's so cool about that?
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12:27 _cheerios put another way, is there something uncool?
12:28 saracen javascript is pretty uncool
12:28 Jarda I need to see "create a blog in 5mins with nodejs" to see how this is cool
12:29 saracen I need to pointlessly serve a web page via nodejs in a few lines of code to see how uncool it is
12:30 Jarda so you create a server, then sys.puts('foo.tpl')
12:30 Jarda or did I get this right?
12:30 saracen Yeah, but that's not all!
12:31 saracen It can do so really fast (but not compared to other methods of doing it really fast), as long as you don't use UTF-8.
12:31 Jarda fu.listen(PORT, HOST);
12:31 Jarda fu.get("/", fu.staticHandler("index.html"));
12:31 Jarda fu.get("/style.css", fu.staticHandler("style.css"));
12:31 Jarda this looks very... unconvinient
12:32 _cheerios saracen, what's the thing about utf-8?
12:34 saracen Node supports 3 string encodings. UTF-8 ("utf8"), ASCII ("ascii"), and Binary ("binary"). "ascii" and "binary" only look at the first 8 bits of the 16bit javascript string characters. Both are relatively fast—use them if you can. "utf8" is slower and should be avoided when possible.
12:35 _cheerios Jarda, basically w/node you get a shot at a purely javascript, evented, non-blocking, highly concurrent setup.
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12:38 saracen More importantly
12:38 saracen If you ever wanted to do your own thing with v8, nodes source code is awesomely clean to look at how they've done stuff ;x
12:38 _cheerios not to mention the chat example
12:39 Jarda well, I have no idea what's so nice about that comparing to doing that with php :)
12:39 Jarda "it's the next ruby on rails, it's going to be big!"
12:39 Jarda wait, RoR isn't that big..
12:40 saracen I'm not hyping this thing, but PHP is shit for socket programming
12:40 saracen Why would you ever say that?
12:42 Jarda well, I can't see how the chat example is cool
12:42 Jarda maybe there's something I don't get..
12:44 saracen I think it's just to show off how easy it is to get up and running, tbh :)
12:45 saracen The coolness is the concurrent/async/event driven stuff. Even if you wanted to be cool and use glue some library that can do it to PHP, you'd cry tears of blood messing with the Zend engine
12:45 saracen -use
12:46 Jarda so the basic idea is, that the "web server" keeps track of the messages and pushes them to the clients?
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15:10 _cheerios someone using gearman ?
15:11 sth I'm unsure if that's meant to be German or Garmin :/
15:11 _cheerios http://gearman.org/
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15:45 sth The hello world example with nodejs is slow to load
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16:01 Xylakant sth: you need to use faster events, not the slow ones...
16:10 sth Figured that out
16:10 sth There's a setTimeout of 2 seconds
16:11 sth I wonder if I could do my entire website using nodejs
16:11 sth as the server
16:11 saracen_ I don't know, but I bet I could use apache, nginx or lighttpd and have it done quicker.
16:12 sth stfu
16:12 sth :D
16:12 saracen_ :D
16:12 sth That's just crazy talk
16:12 saracen_ Using a HTTP server to serve HTTP requests? I'M A CRAZY MAN
16:13 sth I think something installed on my box has a memory leak
16:13 sth Even tar is taking forever
16:14 saracen_ that's what she said
16:14 sth So is your face
16:16 horros I accidentally your box :(
16:16 saracen_ I on purposely your box =(
16:17 sth I err, said in her box
16:20 saracen_ What said her box back?
16:21 saracen_ "Everybody attack!" and it turned in to a ballroom blitz?
16:21 saracen_ ballroom blitz.
16:21 saracen_ ballroom blitz.
16:22 Treffynnon has anyone got any experience of creating dynamic forms in agavi (the questions come from the DB)? can I use the form pre-population filter?
16:24 saracen_ The forms themselves would obviously have to generated in your template. But you can populate inputs using the Form Population Filter, yeah.
16:26 Treffynnon i can see the vars go into the filter parameterHolder correctly but they do not get merged into the outputted template with the fields I generate dynamically in the template
16:27 saracen_ http://pastebin.com/m6ce78346
16:27 saracen_ You can do it like that for example, if there's a input and the name="question[0]"
16:28 saracen_ Those examples only work if the form action="<URL>" is the URL you're currently on. Otherwise you have to give a form an ID
16:29 saracen_ http://pastebin.com/m316715ff
16:29 saracen_ Another example, with form IDs
16:29 saracen_ I think that'd work.
16:30 saracen_ Apart from my unescaped ' in the string :D
16:31 Treffynnon http://pastebin.com/d684b9f30 - i think mine is like your first example in the first pastebin
16:31 sth david and I went to see a software vendor today at lunch and they gave us little bags of M&Ms with their company name etched on the back.
16:36 Treffynnon saracen_: thanks the form ids work a charm
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16:44 saracen_ sth: Thats amazing ;x
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16:44 _cheerios jee
16:44 sth It is :D
16:44 saracen_ I wonder how you get M&M to do that for you ;x
16:45 saracen_ Unless they weren't M&M's, and they've just given you a pack of aids
16:45 sth mymms.com
16:45 saracen_ amazing :D
16:46 saracen_ That's christmas sorted for all of my friends then
16:46 sth ha
16:46 saracen_ you can even put a photo on them
16:47 sth in monochrome sure
16:47 saracen_ I wonder how my devil photo would come out
16:47 sth They have a preview
16:47 sth You can upload a photo and preview it
16:48 sth I did it with the agavi logo
16:49 saracen_ How did the agavi logo turn out?
16:49 sth Badly.
16:50 saracen_ =(
16:50 saracen_ checks out myecstasy.com
16:50 saracen_ =( domain parked
16:50 sth heh
16:50 sth That's a future porn site
16:51 saracen_ M&M's with porn on them would be amazing
16:51 sth Agavi Top Tip: Moajavi was most likely developed to help Sean Kerr make porn sites.
16:51 horros :D
16:52 sth Thus, so was Agavi :D
16:52 saracen_ 16:31:51 < sth> david and I went to see a software vendor today at lunch and they gave us little bags of M&Ms with their company name etched on the back.
16:52 sth That's something David doesn't out in the docs or his presentations
16:52 saracen_ So the software vendor, were they called Big Black Cock Software?
16:53 sth saracen_: no
16:53 saracen_ =(
16:53 saracen_ I had a job interview with them once, that's why i ask
16:53 sth Right, I need to go to Müller before it closes and I have no idea when it closes so I'm off now
16:54 Xylakant sth: at 8
16:54 sth The office needs more toilet paper
16:54 Xylakant the one at the main station at least
16:54 sth Thanks.
16:54 sth Xylakant: do you have any super glue at yours?
16:55 sth (Don't worry I've not broken anything of yours)
16:55 Xylakant ehm, i should have some 2 component glue but no real superglue
16:55 sth Ok, I'll check at central station
16:55 Xylakant depending on what you want to glue together that might do the job
16:55 Xylakant müller should have that
16:55 sth The fabric strap on my moleskine fell off this morning
16:55 Xylakant have a nice evening
16:55 sth You too
16:56 Xylakant uh
16:56 saracen_ Awww, look at you sth
16:56 Xylakant a damaged moleskine
16:56 sth I guess something like uhu would work
16:56 saracen_ Getting friendly with the natives
16:56 Xylakant don't you want to take it to a doctor to get it properly treated?
16:56 sth saracen_: It's all a lie, I plan to bomb every inch of munich before I leave :D
16:56 Xylakant a moleskine is more like a human being than a mere notebook :)
16:57 sth Xylakant: Moleskine said they would send a replacement for free
16:57 Xylakant :)
16:57 saracen_ MOLE SKIN
16:57 sth But it has content in it, so I'd rather repair it
16:57 sth Like my awesome turtle picture
16:57 sth http://twitpic.com/psuce
16:59 sth And I'm only 10 pages into this one
17:01 saracen_ that turtle would be awesome-er if it had a rocket launcher on it's back
17:01 saracen_ its*
17:01 Xylakant good luck repairing it
17:05 _cheerios "Just be aware, that according to the CouchDB book, continuous replication currently does not survive server restart." http://ephemera.karmi.cz/post/247255194/simple-couchdb-multi-master-clustering-v​ia-nginx << wth does that mean? can't restart server at all, or just something fails for awhile? *shrug* Wombert! clarify! :D
17:08 Xylakant _cheerios: after a restart, you need to restart the replication
17:09 Xylakant it's not stored in the database definition, so the information that the database should be replicated is lost on server restart
17:09 Xylakant which introduces a slight race condition if not done properly
17:10 Xylakant the database might accept connections in the window between server startup and enabling replication
17:17 Treffynnon I have my dynamic form working but because the validator is not dynamic the answers are not getting through is there some way to use regex in the valaidator argument tag? like <argument>question[0-9]+</argument> or something. i am sure this isn't the best practice but its an internal tool so...
17:23 graste <arguments base="questions[]"><argument>foo</argument></arguments>
17:24 graste would be for all <input ... name="questions[1][foo]" />
17:24 graste etc
17:24 graste if i'm not mistaken
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17:25 Treffynnon yeah that would work for an "html array" but my fields are called question1, question2, question3 etc.
17:25 saracen_ Why dont you make them an array?
17:26 Treffynnon didn't really want to as the number 1,2 or 3 is the id of the question in the database. thought i could shortcut it :(
17:26 sth No glue :(
17:27 saracen_ You're allowed to specify them Treffynnon. name="question[1282]" is perfectly valid
17:27 saracen_ You could then use <arguments base="questions[]"><argument /></arguments> - Which would allow of them through.
17:27 saracen_ all of them through*
17:28 saracen_ questions[1282]* :)
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17:31 horros Ah, soon, very soon... Food, lager and Top Gear.
17:32 sth It's a cool episode
17:35 Treffynnon saracen_: thanks. it all seems to be working now. so simple as well once you know the direction to go in! :)
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17:40 E_mE hahahhaah http://i.imgur.com/vTNfG.jpg Classic Catholicism
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18:07 E_mE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEjUAnPc2VA
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18:47 _cheerios "The project (KDE) has closed about 18,000 bugs over the past six months and the pace of development is snowballing" o_O
18:58 graste is not sure whether he should like this fact or not
18:58 graste is using gnome anyways
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20:49 Rendez yo E_mE
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22:38 _cheerios need..to..become..faster..at..this..shit
22:38 Rendez what shit?
22:38 _cheerios work
22:41 graste overrated
22:42 Rendez _cheeriosup your expectations
22:42 Rendez I need to sleep to speed up tomorrow :)
22:53 ttj _cheerios: Been jogging at all?
22:54 _cheerios ttj, nope. haven't done exercise of any kind in weeks
22:55 ttj Pfft.
22:58 ttj You should come to Krav Maga. :D
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23:03 _cheerios do you look like chuck norris by now after all that training?
23:05 ttj No.
23:13 _cheerios fug, how did it turn past 1am so quickly
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09:23 sth Oh hai
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13:47 saracen_ sth: My xkcd book arrived today
13:47 saracen_ From Ireland.
13:48 sth fuck you.
13:48 sth :D
13:49 sth I even ordered before you
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14:51 saracen_ sth: Ha :)
14:51 saracen_ Well, if they're being shipped from Ireland it's bound to take longer
14:51 sth If mine hasn't been delivered before I return for xmas, I'm stealing yours
14:51 sth saracen_: A guy in .nl got his 2 weeks ago
14:51 saracen_ Fine, but I should warn you
14:52 saracen_ I've already ejaculated on several of the pages
14:52 saracen_ sth: You should steal his copy
14:52 sth I'm not going to .nl
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14:52 sth I am coming to the UK though
14:52 saracen_ But nobody enters Spalding and gets out alive
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14:52 saracen_ That's a lie, they all do
14:53 saracen_ But nobody goes there in the first place
14:53 sth I did
14:53 sth ...once
14:53 saracen_ did you say you'd never do it again?
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14:53 sth No
14:54 sth It's one of those things, you must do it once. If you go twice, the police arrest you for attempted suicide
14:54 saracen_ haha, like the top of queensgate parking.
14:54 sth Yes.
14:54 saracen_ I can;t believe they still don't have a barrier
14:55 sth tbf though, if you're going to commit suicide, you'd do it in one way or another
14:56 sth There's about 20 ways to kill your self in queensgate car park
14:56 saracen_ True, but the top if the hot spot, because you land infront of all the people waiting for a bus
14:56 saracen_ Seriously, it used to make me so angry
14:56 saracen_ it would delay all the busses
14:56 sth Because you was late? :D
14:56 saracen_ Because some fat woman was up there crying
14:56 sth That's such a British thing.
14:57 saracen_ Yeah ;x
14:57 sth "Someone committed suicide at the bus depot, all the busses are running late now" "That bastard!"
14:57 sth Same with the tube bombing, people were annoyed because the busses were late the day after
14:58 saracen_ My mum gets to watch every single person up there. She works on the CCTV. The fat girl I refer to, I dont think she's still done it yet. But she's probably been up there like 8 times
14:58 saracen_ Attention seeking bitch
14:58 saracen_ It's a shame they're not allowed to leak videos
14:58 saracen_ =(
14:59 saracen_ Slow motion suicide on youtube would get a bunch of views
15:06 digitarald or a best of
15:09 _cheerios digitarald, was there a mootools stack that was useful for creating mobile-sites (vaguely remember something like this)? provided big buttons, and slidable screens that fit into a small form factor.
15:10 digitarald clientcide had them I guess
15:10 digitarald ex-cnet
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21:29 _cheerios "Dear Friend, this is Mr. Peter Wong from Hong. I am sending you this message concerning a Business Proposal of 44.5MUSD and I want you to partner with me in this project. This business with benefit you a lot."
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09:57 _cheerios "Hi there, you're part of a beta group receiving this feature" whee.
09:59 sth For what feature?
10:10 _cheerios retweet for twitter
10:11 sth Oh, I had that for a day and then they disabled it
10:11 sth for a week and now I have it back
10:11 sth Shame my twitter client doesn't support it
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13:35 riddler hello
13:35 riddler i have a problem
13:35 riddler i have this AgaviExeption and i have no idea why: SQLSTATE[HY000] [2002] Invalid argument
13:36 riddler I updated my PHP Version to 5.3
13:37 sth One of your PDO queries is wrong.
13:39 riddler wrong?
13:40 riddler but befor i updated my PHP Version it worked fine?!
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13:41 riddler my exeption...http://pastebin.org/55168
13:41 sth really?
13:42 riddler YES!!
13:42 sth What ever is in $query, pdo doesn't like
13:43 riddler $query?
13:43 sth The variable being passed at line 92
13:46 riddler hmm
13:47 riddler i my index action i call $ArticleFactoryModel->getArticles()
13:48 riddler and in this method i do an exit but i still get the error...
13:48 riddler but why?
13:53 sth No idea without seeing the code
13:54 _cheerios check your php errors. probably a pdo-mysql problem.
13:58 riddler so a problem with the update to php 5.3
13:59 riddler here is the code
13:59 riddler http://pastebin.org/55175
14:01 _cheerios google for "mysql 2002" or similar
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14:39 _cheerios http://outspokenmedia.com/social-media/twitters-new-retweet-feature-sucks/ :p
14:41 Xylakant why didn't they twitter that so people can retweet it?
14:41 saracen_ I has "feature" request
14:42 saracen_ The shiney exception template page. Can we have the console type output inside of a HTML comment. There's been times when I don't have the ability to render the page, but see raw HTML. I know I could add it myself, but
14:42 saracen_ meh :)
14:44 Xylakant saracen_: just use the plaintext template for html output?
14:44 saracen_ But I like it being pretty the majority of the time =(
14:48 sth saracen_: I still hate you. :/
14:48 saracen_ =(
14:48 saracen_ I havent looked at it much =(
14:48 saracen_ I need to go through it still
14:49 saracen_ I just read the introduction, some of what I already know
14:49 sth diaf.
14:49 sth :D
14:49 saracen_ :D
14:49 sth I ordered mine in the first hour of going on sale and I don't have it
14:53 saracen_ sucks to be you
14:53 Xylakant saracen_: well, you can just copy the relevant parts of the plaintext template I guess
14:54 saracen_ Aye, I know. I just wish it was default is all :)
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14:59 Xylakant well, feel free to create a ticket and attach a patch
14:59 Xylakant it's not up to me to decide whether we'll include it
14:59 Xylakant sounds like a good addition to me though
14:59 Xylakant like in the first parts of the document when you just pull it with curl or the like
15:00 Xylakant however, you can just have that in you private template set
15:00 Xylakant since you can change the templates that agavi uses for all of that stuff you can just have it default to yours
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15:19 riddler back again
15:19 riddler i have the error from the log file.
15:19 riddler [Thu Nov 19 14:42:19 2009] [error] [client 62.214.6.67] PHP Warning: PDO::__construct(): [2002] Invalid argument (trying to connect via unix://) in /home/marcel/marcel-domke.de/httpdocs/library/agavi/database/AgaviPdoDatabase.cl​ass.php on line 76
15:20 riddler so it is not the query..
15:20 riddler but why i get this error?
15:24 saracen_ riddler: Have you edited your database.xml file?
15:24 riddler yes
15:24 riddler last time: for 1 week
15:25 riddler why?!
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15:25 saracen_ I have no idea what that means, but it's probably a PID file issue
15:25 riddler aha
15:25 saracen_ <ae:parameter name="dsn">mysql://root:@localhost/mydatabase0r;unix_socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysq​ld.sock</ae:parameter>
15:26 saracen_ Well, not PID file. I dont know what they call those unix type socket file things
15:26 saracen_ But yeah
15:26 saracen_ Make sure your my.cnf file actually has that .sock file as it's default location, or adjust in agavi
15:29 saracen_ If that fixes it - Then shame on you :P. It's not an Agavi specific error and I had the same problem a few weeks back - I used google :P
15:30 impl hello friends
15:30 Xylakant do you have any?
15:30 impl no :(
15:30 saracen_ I used to be his friend
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15:31 Xylakant saracen_: former friends don't count
15:31 saracen_ :)
15:32 saracen_ impl: Do you know who owns jewbuntu.com? Is it god?
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15:38 saracen_ Xylakant: I need to pass the export of a previous validator to the next validator. However, the next validator has a different source (It's for a file upload). Any idea how I can get the result still?
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15:38 Xylakant saracen_: exporting to a different source is not currently possible IIRC
15:39 saracen_ Do you know of any hackish way? =(
15:40 Xylakant you might try and set the 'source' parameter to 'file'
15:40 Xylakant before exporting
15:40 Xylakant that may cause major havoc when you're using <base> or any of the operator validators
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15:41 saracen_ The base file validator checks the type, so that'd would cause an error. I suppose I could just get rid of my previous validator, and hackishly validate everything in this one, by getting data based on getRequest()->getRequestData()
15:42 Xylakant why would type checking cause an error?
15:42 saracen_ if(!$file instanceof AgaviUploadedFile) {
15:43 Xylakant you just need to export a proper AgaviUploadedFile
15:43 saracen_ Ah, true
15:43 saracen_ I'll try that
15:43 Xylakant it's pretty simple to construct those
15:43 saracen_ Oh, but saying that. The "previous" validator in question is used elsewhere, where I don't have to access it via a file uploaded validator later on
15:44 Xylakant you can pass arbitrary parameters to validators
15:44 Xylakant handle that in the config
15:45 Xylakant create a parameter such as "export_as" or the like
15:45 Xylakant cast_to is used in the datetimevalidator
15:46 saracen_ Yeah. I'd be nicer to contain the hack to one file though. I'll do that as a last resort I suppose
15:55 MikeSeth hhahahahahahahah
15:55 MikeSeth ze germans
15:55 MikeSeth there's a german support guy in here called Jon
15:55 impl saracen_: I thought you did
15:56 MikeSeth today afternoon i am smoking a cig downstairs and I see the guy rushing to work
15:56 MikeSeth I ask him [in English] hey Jon what's up?
15:56 MikeSeth He goes: "Oh, I am late for work. Yesterday was fire on my street, two people die, I go to techno party"
15:57 impl rofl.
15:57 impl <3 Germans
15:58 Rayne lol
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16:12 saracen hmm, my router keeps crashing =(
16:14 sth Then stop hitting it
16:20 Xylakant why in all devils name do people still release libs that are "tested on php 4.3"
16:36 saracen http://pastebin.com/m3782d613
16:36 saracen Found a better way for what I wanted :)
16:38 Xylakant well. that will cause about the same havoc as setting the source before exporting
16:38 Xylakant and it will break if you change the name of the parameter
16:38 Xylakant but well
16:38 sth Wireframing fun :|
16:38 saracen But I don't have to touch my other validator, and so far I'm keeping pretty consistant about exporting with the same name :)
16:39 saracen I could pass the name as a parameter for that argument, then it'd be all confined to the validator XML
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16:57 sth http://www.swirlycat.com/ sfw if you have headphones
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17:06 saracen sth :) Gotta love those things
17:06 saracen watching for 10 minutes then trying to walk down the stairs
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17:18 sth I watched it for about 15
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17:46 saracen did you have it fixed in the center of the screen though? :). In Chrome it doesnt make the window jump
17:46 saracen and you can just center mouse and get fucked up vision
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18:30 v-dogg someone watching google os webcast?
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19:18 saracen Fuck
19:18 saracen My sister might start going out with a guy who designs websites
19:19 saracen But he doesn't use XHTML and the layouts all use tables
19:20 v-dogg does your culture allow honor killings?
19:21 saracen haha
19:21 saracen i wish
19:22 saracen Seriously, I'm looking at his portfolio now. Sure, he's probably had more business than I have
19:22 saracen But they're all terrible
19:22 saracen I hope I get to meet him at some point
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19:38 saracen sth: Do you know if phpcouch supports the ability to add attachments?
19:40 saracen Oh, suppose it supports inline attachments, just not standalone ones yet
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19:57 _cheerios hello
19:57 saracen sup
19:58 _cheerios i went to a django people meet today
19:59 _cheerios boring.
19:59 saracen ;o
20:00 _cheerios and there were php haters there.
20:00 Jarda :D
20:00 v-dogg haha
20:02 saracen _cheerios: Are you going to infiltrate them? Get ranked highly, do a few talks at conferences and just when you're fully trusted say: "Django is shit"
20:03 saracen It's sort of how I wish Tom Cruise is actually just doing a real Mission Impossible. He's going to become top man for Scientology, and then when he becomes like the Pope
20:03 saracen Just fuck them over
20:04 _cheerios i went to the church of scientology in san francisco few weeks ago
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08:34 graste huomenta
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09:14 sth Morning
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09:50 _cheerios homenta
09:50 _cheerios *huomenta
09:55 Xylakant *huomenta*
09:55 Xylakant haz more starz
09:55 sth What's wrong with just "Hi"
09:57 _cheerios reminds me of a video i saw yesterday; a trendy guy in a suit walks down the street past a fellow cleaning the street, notices he's an old high school acquintance, tells him smuggly that he's a doctorate just back from San Diego writing his 3rd paper, asking how things are for him. The fellow answers, I'm the one with the one meter penis. Cue in; "education can't get you everything".
10:19 Xylakant sth: why say "hi!" if you can say "huomenta!"?
10:24 horros Huomenta.
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10:48 Jarda I had something to ask from Xylakant and now I have forgotten it
10:48 Jarda why can't you be on irc 24/7 :)
10:48 Xylakant because I try to have a social life
10:49 v-dogg I'm here 24/7 and I have a social life!
10:49 v-dogg or wait.. no I don't
10:49 v-dogg but anyway, my irssi runs in a acreen session
10:49 Xylakant I also tend to sleep at night
10:49 Xylakant well, what's the point of that?
10:50 Xylakant if you're not there to read it, why have it open?
10:50 Xylakant this is not the "Idle Wars" channel
10:50 v-dogg someone can ask me something and when I get back from my busy social life I can read it
10:51 Xylakant well, but then the person asking you might have gone
10:51 Xylakant how do you respond?
10:51 Xylakant there's email for that
10:51 v-dogg ok then, you win :)
10:51 Xylakant feel free to post questions to the mailing list
10:52 horros I used to run irssi in a screen-session
10:52 horros Then I noticed I don't actually even read the damn backlog.
10:52 horros :)
10:52 v-dogg but then you got old and lame
10:52 Xylakant I actually do read those mails
10:53 Jarda I don't like to install an irc-client to several machines
10:53 Jarda one screen running 24/7 on my virtual is the easiest
10:54 Jarda I can just run my putty from a usb-stick if the computer I'm on doesn't have it (or other terminal)
10:54 Xylakant well, "Jedem Tierchen sein Plaisierchen" as they say in germany
10:54 Xylakant I just take my machine along
10:56 sth I only keep irssi running because I want my name when I get back (on efnet only0
10:56 sth s/0/\)/
10:57 Xylakant http://ekelias.soup.io/post/34896133/Image
10:58 Xylakant sth: you don't need to escape the closing bracket there
10:58 Xylakant you only need to escape it when there is a matching opening bracket such as in /(foo\))/
10:59 sth Better to safe than sorry? :P
11:00 sth It's the dell at the end which makes that picture
11:01 Xylakant yes, certainly
11:01 Xylakant on both accounts
11:01 Xylakant just wanted to be typically-german-pedantic
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11:35 E_mE I seem to of encountered a strange situation where i've got an OR validator with 2 further validators, and I've debugged the inside validators with var dump, and one of the two validators is indeed returning TRUE/Success, and so is the OR validator.. but... The parameter which is structured like array[var_name] isn't coming thru to the action's parameters?
11:36 graste is there some builtin php method to change paths like "../../foo/bar/../../baz/boo" into "../../baz/boo"?
11:37 graste normalize or whatever you would call this - don't want to google "php and normalize" ^^
11:38 E_mE you only want the last segment?
11:38 fnordfish nope - he wants the real path
11:38 graste !
11:39 graste those path work in css files, but they look ugly as hell ;)
11:39 graste +s
11:39 graste is off to google :x
11:41 sth realpath() ?
11:41 graste that's for absolute paths
11:41 sth But that's only the local real path not the web one
11:41 graste skimming the comments of that entry atm
11:41 graste :x
11:50 fnordfish graste: the bash way: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/normalizing-path-names-bash
11:50 fnordfish happy transforming ;)
11:58 Xylakant E_mE: can you provide a more detailed description of your problem. maybe a paste of the relevant config part?
11:58 Xylakant +
11:58 Jarda Xylakant: no one has had time to investigate the propel issue?
11:59 Xylakant I haven't, david was on a conference, dominik is with me at a customer
11:59 Xylakant so rather not
11:59 Jarda ok, no problem
12:00 Jarda my patch is working for now, but but.. we are about to go live with that in a few weeks :D
12:00 Jarda well, if it passes the tests..
12:00 E_mE Xylakant: just xdebugging it, if i fail, ill pastie :)
12:01 Xylakant ok, it might just be something easy to spot
12:01 E_mE good point, two ticks
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12:03 E_mE_ Xylakant: http://pastie.textmate.org/private/jcn11geg0lpsu0xokhrxa
12:03 Xylakant you can't have two validators validating the same argument
12:04 Xylakant well, you can
12:04 E_mE_ oh
12:04 Xylakant but if the first one fails, it marks the argument as failed
12:04 E_mE_ bugger
12:04 Xylakant and the second one cannot mark it as succeeded any more
12:04 Xylakant however, you could export to a field
12:05 Jarda http://wtfcode.net/
12:05 Xylakant but well, why don't you solve this in another way?
12:05 Xylakant go and remove the or, just allow the field to be empty
12:06 Xylakant treat "empty" as "add"
12:07 E_mE_ you mean in the custom validator, if the arguement data is empty just return true?
12:07 sth Wombert has just arrived at the office in a mood.
12:07 Xylakant just set "required" as "false"
12:07 Xylakant then the validator will never run
12:08 Xylakant and you can check whether the value was provided in the action
12:08 E_mE_ ah if there is no data, then require="false" just ignores it
12:08 Xylakant sth: uh
12:08 Xylakant E_mE_: yes
12:08 sth At least he's here :)
12:08 Xylakant required="false"
12:08 E_mE_ but if there is data, then the validator will return an error if the condition has failed
12:08 Xylakant yes
12:08 E_mE_ Xylakant: sorry was a typo
12:08 E_mE_ okay coolio, thank you
12:08 Xylakant yeah, i guessed it was a typo, just wanted to make sure
12:09 E_mE_ ;) thanks
12:09 Xylakant you can check with $rd->hasParameter('hotel[company_id]'); whether the value was provided
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12:10 E_mE_ so if the value is empty, it wont pass an empty hotel[company_id] parameter to the action?
12:11 E_mE_ should i perhaps add an isset validator to make sure its passed to the action perhaps
12:12 E_mE_ Xylakant: ?
12:13 Xylakant Why would you need that?
12:13 Xylakant if you call getParameter() on a value that was not provided by the user, you get null
12:14 Xylakant there are some edge cases where you need it
12:14 E_mE_ i guess thats quite a solid way of going about it actually
12:14 E_mE_ always assuming the worst
12:14 Xylakant if you pass $rd->getParameters() to a database connector it might be of interest
12:15 E_mE_ ah okay :) no its just testing for company_id
12:15 E_mE_ i go with your methodology, thank you
12:15 Xylakant but since you want to treat that value as "new" anyways you can either check whether it was a special value (0 for example) or not provided at all
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10:56 _cheerios huomenta
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11:44 _cheerios who has used metaclasses in their programming?
11:48 Jarda you mean like javas Object?
11:48 Jarda or what
11:50 _cheerios something like that, i dont understand metaclasses fully, asking here if someone can explain their use-case
11:52 Jarda ok, I don't know what you want, but I have used Factory Pattern a lot, where I have the base type which has abstract and non-abstract methods
11:53 Jarda and the classes inheriting the base type are all compatible with the base type
11:53 _cheerios metaclasses looks to me like a way you can "embed" classes without inheritance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaclass
11:53 Jarda ok
11:54 Jarda well, does php even support them?
11:54 _cheerios given the concept is alien to me, i don't think so
11:57 Jarda yeah
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12:26 E_mE huomenta
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12:59 _cheerios what are you guys hacking on this weekend? i'm trying to push heimoi.com forward.
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14:30 _cheerios heh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-68ToW1UFlw
14:31 ttj Fucking Ikea.
14:32 ttj Destroyed a closet I bought today. :D
14:36 _cheerios the closet failed as a sparring partner?
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14:42 ttj Yeah.
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16:00 Jarda _cheerios: hacking some css3 at mother in law :)
16:00 Jarda in a moment some beer and pizza
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21:40 hzilla hello. does agavi have any helper function to convert seconds into hh:mm:ss format?
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08:40 Jarda god damn fink
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10:04 Jarda hmm
10:05 Jarda /foos/1 /foos/1/delete /foos/add or /foos/1, /admin/foos/1/delete, /admin/foos/add
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11:18 _cheerios huomenta
11:28 _cheerios wow, just wow http://blogs.tampabay.com/photo/2009/11/terrorism-thats-personal.html
11:49 MikeSeth git is so nice
11:49 MikeSeth SO NICE
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14:30 Jarda is it a way to tell file-validator that "max_size" is the same as php's max
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14:38 sth Not that I know of, you could always create a custom validator that uses it
14:44 v-dogg I think you could use configuration directives to hack it together
14:44 Jarda it's not nice filevalidator fails with a generic error on that case
14:44 v-dogg AgaviConfig::set('uploadmax', ini_get_whatever()); in config.php
14:45 v-dogg and %uploadmax% in the xml
14:45 Jarda spent a couple of minutes figuring out why the validator fails
14:45 Jarda even installed adt on the project :D
14:46 v-dogg oh but wait. forget what I just wrote
14:46 v-dogg it's all nonsense
14:47 Jarda now I have to find out how to use agavi's content cache
14:47 v-dogg you'd want to "catch" php's error in the validator. there's no use checking the file size there if php has already invalidated the upload
14:47 Jarda I have a _lot_ of thumbnails coming through agavi...
14:47 Jarda maybe not the best way to do it, but..
14:49 xboy hey guys, i am just wondering how can i translate errors' text using gettext???
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14:49 xboy i mean in .xml files
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14:50 v-dogg <validator ... translation_domain="my.app.mymodule.validation">
14:51 v-dogg check the sample app for more detailed example
14:51 xboy i did add the translation_domain, i mean how can i tell gettext to scan and find that texts
14:52 v-dogg oh, sorry. that's out of my scope
14:52 v-dogg never used gettext
14:53 v-dogg but in the worst case you could write a dead simple parser with simplexml or dom
14:55 xboy i thought of that, to write a script to create a temporary php file, and search with gettext on it, and delete it in the end, but first, i wanna make sure if there's any way by agavi or not?
14:57 v-dogg you could check out what Grammatista could do for you: http://grammatista-project.org/
14:58 xboy ok, thanks for your help
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20:11 _cheerios http://aprs.fi/?call=230249000&mt=m&z=11&timerange=21600 Silja Europa doing donuts
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22:00 _cheerios MikeSeth, im so behind on my git learning. But, now ran into a problem when finally deploying a site w/git, that I need to learn more.
22:07 ttj Haha! Ikea closet repaired and sliding doors installed! \o/
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00:46 saracen Anybody here used paypal IPN and know if you can set it up to support multiple sites from the same account? Or do I need to handle the notifications all from the same place? ;x
00:49 saracen nm, just read I can override with notify_url
00:55 hzilla i implemented the web payments pro & express checkout but not ipn bit yet
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08:27 riddler Huomenta
08:30 riddler can someone look on my routing.xml because i think i have a problem with two-digit ID's in my routes
08:30 riddler http://pastebin.org/56279
08:31 riddler i can't edit articles with two-digit IDS
08:31 riddler i only come to the overview page, insted of the article edit page
08:33 v-dogg \w will match exactly one char
08:34 v-dogg \w+ would match one or more
08:34 v-dogg and if you really use digits you want \d+
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08:36 v-dogg http://fi.php.net/manual/en/regexp.reference.backslash.php
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08:58 Jarda wel,, \d\d could work
08:59 Jarda if you really want two digits
08:59 Jarda afaik
08:59 Jarda ... but after reading the rest I see that's not the case
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09:26 riddler thx
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10:54 _cheerios huomenta
11:12 ttj Yo.
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13:09 digitarald hey peeps :)
13:09 digitarald Huomenta
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13:22 graste http://www.xent.com/pipermail/fork/Week-of-Mon-20091109/054578.html
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17:15 E_mE some awesomeness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRSK4k3D-50
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17:36 _cheerios jee
17:38 graste :)
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17:47 _cheerios heh @ http://qdb.us/300391
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18:56 Jarda :o
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20:18 _cheerios finnish winter. open the window and mosquitoss fly in.
20:26 Jarda :D
20:31 Xylakant well, clever beasts
20:31 Xylakant they obviously prefer it warm
20:35 Jarda no polar bears here :/
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20:48 xboy hi there, i don't know it's the right place to ask. but appreciate any help. i wanna to say self::$var which $var is a variable
20:57 matbtt self::$$var where $var contains the name of your static attribute
21:00 xboy yes
21:01 xboy i did it but it got : Fatal error: Access to undeclared static property:
21:02 matbtt ...?
21:03 xboy self::$$var didn't work.
21:04 _cheerios xboy, there's #php for beginners.
21:04 matbtt ...the error message should be clear, declare this static attribute/property or ensure that $var contains a valid value
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21:05 matbtt :)
21:06 xboy yes, that's my bad
21:06 xboy cause $var is a cont
21:06 xboy const*
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10:53 xboy Hi
10:53 xboy I need a help with validation in a slot
10:54 xboy i have a News module, inside its ViewAction, i use Comment module as a slot
10:54 xboy and Comment shows a form to add comments
10:55 xboy there's some validation for my Comment form
10:56 xboy if there's an error in Comment validation, it'll show the errors in Comment's AddAction
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10:56 _cheerios huomenta
10:57 xboy but i want that to show the errors in where it was, i mean in News' ViewAction
10:57 _cheerios *sigh* ubuntu 9.10 and dialog button don't work anymore in Eclipse, can hover over them with a mouse but clicks go unnoticed :(
10:57 xboy how can i do that???
11:19 v-dogg our database uses latin9 (iso8859-15) encoding but a software (php/agavi) uses utf-8. everything works fine but occasionally users accidentally copy-paste chars that cannot be converted to latin9
11:19 v-dogg and I'd like to handle this either by throwing a validation error or just silently dropping those
11:19 v-dogg BUT
11:19 v-dogg iconv raises E_NOTICE
11:20 v-dogg would be so easy if I could catch an exception.. but noooooo... PHP internals don't use exceptions
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11:20 v-dogg fuckers...
11:20 v-dogg any idea how I could detect illegal chars in the input?
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11:34 _cheerios use //IGNORE ?
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11:36 v-dogg ugh.. how did I miss that...
11:36 v-dogg thanks mate :)
11:37 Jarda //IGNORE ?
11:37 v-dogg $originalValue = iconv('UTF-8', 'ISO-8859-1//IGNORE', $originalValue);
11:37 v-dogg http://fi2.php.net/manual/en/function.iconv.php
11:38 Jarda was I in a split or something?
11:38 v-dogg 13:19 < v-dogg> iconv raises E_NOTICE
11:38 Jarda seems I'm missing a question
11:38 v-dogg when there are chars it can't convert
11:38 Jarda oh, k
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12:48 Jarda I have an input array like foo[1][bar] foo[2][bar] foo[3][bar], I would like to make bar unique
12:48 Jarda how to validate, a custom validator?
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13:03 Xylakant Jarda: that would have to be a custom validator
13:04 Xylakant hmm
13:04 Xylakant is the length of the array known?
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13:12 Jarda no
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15:06 Xylakant Jarda: then a custom validator is probably the only way to go
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15:25 sth haha, Juri's productivity just nose dived when I gave him a puzzle cube
15:45 _cheerios my computer keeps thinking longer than me, not good for productivity
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16:00 J-P_ how can I access config values from a module.xml file ?
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16:15 v-dogg J-P_: AgaviConfig::get('modules.mymodule.foo') or something. var_dump AgaviConfig::toArray() to see what's in there
16:15 J-P_ thnx!
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17:16 CIA-19 david * r4351 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/response/AgaviWebResponse.class.php): Fix #1186: AgaviWebResponse throws notice if "http_headers" parameter is not an array
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22:09 hzilla does agavi set no-cache pragma in dev mode?
22:55 graste don't think so, but you may either specify default headers per output type in output_types.xml or you could set headers in your views or you override AgaviWebRequest and make it configurable via factories.xml parameters when you define your own CustomWebRequest derived from Agavi's :D
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00:02 hzilla graste: ok its not a major issue at the moment. Just wondering why jquery gets weren't being cached
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08:06 Jarda how can I get the referer from agavi?
08:21 Jarda I guess there's no way to do that in model..
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09:52 graste huomenta
09:57 E_mE huomenta
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10:07 sth Morning
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20:13 matbtt Huomenta.
20:13 matbtt I experience an issue with fragment caching, which I cannot solve.
20:14 matbtt I want to cache the result of an action, nothing special so far.
20:16 matbtt But somehow some view attributes are missing if the cache is loaded.
20:18 matbtt I'm using a master template with slots. One of these variables is used to identify the user as authenticated. This attribute is set in base view class, but somehow it is not used(?) when the content is restored from cache
20:18 matbtt Any ideas?
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21:36 hzilla_ matbtt: have u checked the faq? http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html
21:39 hzilla_ i have an unrelated question. How do i pass parameters into a slot that is defined in the output_types.xml?
21:41 hzilla_ ah nevermind i worked it out
21:43 matbtt @hzilla_: yes, i did. but obviously i don't get it.
21:45 matbtt ...but, wait....
21:47 matbtt I hate me! I missed to define <template_variable> in the cache settings.
21:48 matbtt ...after changing the cache settings and reloading all the stuff it seems to work. Thx hzilla_ for the advice to check the faq again. :)
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08:51 digitarald Huomenta
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09:01 graste huomenta
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10:02 user_ Huomanta
10:03 user_ Hello
10:04 user_ Yo
10:04 user_ if I want to define a slot in output types that will be available for me across the site, I just don't speficy an Action fro ti?
10:04 user_ *for it
10:05 user_ like:
10:05 user_ <slots>
10:05 user_ <slot name="leftBar" module="Default" />
10:05 user_ <slot name="rightBar" module="Default" //>
10:05 user_ </slots>
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10:09 fnordfish Yossi_: why would you not need an action?
10:11 Yossi_ because its just html I need across the site, in some actions, (side menus, login form, etc...).
10:12 fnordfish right, so you don't need to run the action, but have to run a view, which will determinate a template to render
10:13 fnordfish for very static content you may just put that in the layer's template
10:14 fnordfish if you have some dynamic stuff (user name etc.) you need an action, which can be "simple"
10:15 Yossi_ errr
10:16 Yossi_ I hate thinking about this stuff...
10:17 Yossi_ I am going to place the slots through my master template, but only on certain condition (isAuthenticated and special cases)
10:18 Yossi_ I can 1. create a new layout for isAuthenticated, and a new layout for special cases
10:18 Yossi_ or 2. have the slots avalible to me on all actions, and check for these conditions on the template level...
10:18 Yossi_ if 2 is possible I would like that...
10:19 fnordfish 2. makes sense, if your layout does not change a lot. say, some of the content is just missing
10:21 Yossi_ okay thanks, I am going try that
10:21 fnordfish you would create a slot, in which the view determinate whether the user is logged in or not and load a special template for each condition
10:21 Yossi_ okay, so I create slots w/o actions
10:21 Yossi_ right?
10:22 fnordfish nope - there is not such a thing like a slot without an action
10:22 fnordfish the action can be empty (no execute*())
10:23 fnordfish and the action can be simple (http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#general_4) to avoid running validation and stuff
10:29 Yossi_ so I need to create a sloty action?
10:30 Yossi_ that uses a layout that only has the slot
10:38 Yossi_ nm... I figured it out
10:41 fnordfish right - usually you have a "simpl" layout, which contains a single, empty layer
10:42 Jarda slot content is always the output of an action
10:42 Jarda afaik
10:43 fnordfish not action, view
10:43 Jarda fnordfish: action returns the view to ouptut
10:44 Jarda I think the view itselft is the output of an action
10:47 fnordfish mom - the action defines the view to execute, the view might return some output or set a template to render … if the action is not simple and the execute*() return null, nothing is rendered
10:48 fnordfish cause there was no view executed
10:51 Jarda ok, well, for me it's easier to understand that view is the output of an action :)
10:56 v-dogg fnordfish: doesn't that example just say the result is the output of an action?
10:56 v-dogg if the action decides not to render a view, nothing is outputed
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10:56 v-dogg (ok, we can also just drop this hair splitting now :)
10:57 v-dogg damn you spotify
10:57 v-dogg "there is a problem with the connection to spotify..."
10:58 v-dogg if I get something for free I expect it to work withou problems!
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11:04 fnordfish :) i would say, that the action does not have so much power in what is actually rendered … it will either define a view, which will all output-stuff — thats why the view is split up into which _output_type is used, not the action
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16:37 CIA-19 felix * r4352 /trunk/src/build/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
16:37 CIA-19 fixes some problems with the view output type method generation and action request method generation
16:37 CIA-19 - does not create duplicate methods any more
16:37 CIA-19 - allows empty responses for prompts
16:40 CIA-19 felix * r4353 /trunk/src/build/phing/org/agavi/build/tasks/AgaviExecutetargetTask.php: added some additional comments about the reasons for not using phings Project::copyUserProperties()
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17:52 _cheerios where do i get my tv-shows + anime fix now that mininova went legit?
17:54 sth tvtorrents
17:56 _cheerios anything public?
17:57 sth no
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18:24 _cheerios meh, making things harder. :<
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19:22 _cheerios feck, today's like thursday already?
19:29 sth yup
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22:34 _cheerios time to learn some git. somehow managed to delete all my stuff...
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22:47 _cheerios uh. messed up!
22:51 ttj Wow. As far as I know this is the first time that a Facebook friend of mine has quit Facebook because of death.
22:54 _cheerios hmm?
22:55 ttj Noticed that a friend of mine had joined a "R.I.P. <name here> <dates here>" group.
22:55 ttj Then I thought that that's a bit of a cruel joke and tried to look at the other guys profile, who was a Facebook friend of mine.
22:55 ttj And his profile is dead and with a bit of digging it turned out that he had actually died.
22:56 _cheerios :(
22:57 ttj Oh. Suicide.
23:01 _cheerios meh, can't merge a healthy branch back to HEAD :<
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23:03 sth I _really_ hope ttj friend didn't die of head wounds.
23:04 ttj Jumped out the window, apparently. So I'm guessing that might also create a bit of a headache. *shrug*
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23:05 sth I say that because of _cheerios rambling about git
23:06 ttj Yeah. :)
23:06 _cheerios dude, this is serios.
23:21 graste isn't git the system that doesn't let you lose data ^^
23:21 graste * supposed to be the *
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23:33 _cheerios i've not lost data, it's just that I can't get HEAD merged back to normality
23:38 _cheerios not forking the git revisions yet. they have some of the data, but not all of it. highly confusing. clearly im not used to multiple branches at play.
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13:02 E_mE i'd like an opinion please, is better to pass Object instances into the functions parameter or a form of ID or unique reference and then allow the function to construct an instance for it self?
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13:03 Jarda depends
13:03 Jarda if passing a id means an additional query to db then I wouldn't do it
13:04 E_mE Jarda: ja, it does... I've been having little run in with a colluege of mine, and he thinks ID's etc should always be passed
13:05 E_mE I'm think there are places for both implementations, if its a tightly coupled library/framework or so, i guess passing object instances around are a good idea
13:05 E_mE though if its an organic application which constantly grows and has conditions/aspects changing reguarlly, then i guess the ID method is better
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13:06 Jarda and it depens of the kind of the object. I never pass Propel Objects as a parameter if the method is public
13:06 Jarda as I only use propel objects internally
13:07 Jarda (and propel has instance caching, so passing an id doesn't duplicate sql-queries)
13:07 E_mE Ja, im the same with Doctrine too, i always pass arrays from a model into the frameworks action/view etc
13:07 macen why doesn't cornerstone or versions support branch merging :/
13:07 E_mE Jarda: fair point
13:08 macen svn merge best for mac?
13:08 Jarda macen: cli
13:08 Jarda E_mE: but I guess there's not one right answer for your question
13:09 E_mE Jarda: agreed, i think its per implementation specific i guess... thank you for your opinion, just wanted to cross reference this
13:09 Jarda no problem :)
13:10 macen SmartSVN is pretty fail for a mac application
13:10 Jarda I use tortoise on win, haven
13:10 Jarda haven't found any good app for os x
13:10 Jarda so I'm using CLI at home
13:10 E_mE macen: Versions is good, though learning via CLI far improves your understanding
13:11 macen nods
13:11 macen tried Versions on trial download, settled on Cornerstone
13:11 macen should read the docs more
13:13 macen http://pastebin.com/m7145dfd3 <--
13:14 macen smartsvn is working for now
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13:51 Xylakant E_mE: I'd always pass objects around
13:52 Xylakant receivers should never be bothered how and where to look up Object instance or even create them themselves
14:00 sth I used to use versions
14:00 sth Then I started at BX and David kept making fun of me
14:15 _cheerios wasted all day trying to figure out shitty django orm :<
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14:34 E_mE Xylakant: good point, i guess if you constantly follow a standard API, the passing objects around is perfectly valid
14:35 macen getBaseHref() not returning the port? :/
14:35 macen says it should in the comments
14:35 Xylakant macen: it won't if it's not necessary
14:36 macen Xylakant: and if it is?
14:36 Xylakant so it won't return :80 for http
14:36 Xylakant then it should
14:36 Xylakant at least it does for me ;)
14:36 macen it should be using 10088
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14:40 Xylakant well
14:40 Xylakant are you behind a proxy?
14:41 macen it seems to think the port is 80
14:41 macen getUrlPort() returns that
14:47 macen $this->urlPort = (int)self::getSourceValue($sources['SERVER_PORT'], $sourceDefaults['SERVER_PORT']);
14:47 macen sets it to 80
14:48 macen what passes $parameters to initialize in the web request?
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14:52 macen scratches head
14:53 macen its with Zend Server CE
14:53 macen 1.0.1
15:03 macen running on Mac OS X 10.6
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16:09 Rendez it's possible to set a <setting name="">ArrayHere</setting> array?
16:11 v-dogg nested <settings> elements should produce an array
16:11 v-dogg <setting name="myarray"><setting>foo</setting><setting>bar</setting> ...
16:13 Rendez no, it doesn't
16:13 Rendez E_mE resolved...
16:13 Rendez <setting name="cat">
16:13 Rendez <ae:parameter>Item 1</ae:parameter>
16:13 Rendez <ae:parameter>Item 2</ae:parameter>
16:13 Rendez </setting>
16:13 Rendez works
16:14 Rendez good to know you can do that too in settings
16:14 Rendez :9
16:14 E_mE v-dogg: im surprised in you :P
16:24 v-dogg why is that?
16:28 E_mE v-dogg: you normally have the correct answer :)
16:35 v-dogg bah :)
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23:13 Coeus82 Hello, I was wondering if there were any sample agavi applications I can have a look at
23:13 sth There's one on the website
23:14 sth agavi.org/guide iirc
23:14 sth There's also a complete app in the svn repo
23:15 Coeus82 thanks
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11:59 Rendez anyone used SwiftMailer?
12:00 Rendez ignore my question, I found the issue
12:01 Rendez seems like asking here helps by itself huh
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14:07 mario1 hey
14:07 mario1 is agavi Hmvc?
14:28 _cheerios wtf? SWIFT - EU to grant USA nearly unlimited access to all EU banking data http://bit.ly/6QlALF
14:28 _cheerios mario1, whats the diff between mvc2 and hmvc?
14:29 mario1 well, buzz words aside, im refering to where you can dispatch another request within views
14:29 mario1 to achieve reusable components/widgety/controller
14:29 mario1 for example, a cart widget to be displayed on top of every page
14:30 _cheerios sounds like what agavi does out of the box
14:30 mario1 ok cool, well, i had a follow up question to that ;)
14:30 mario1 so, lets say an inner request has an error in its path
14:30 mario1 and dishes a 404
14:30 mario1 what happens in this case
14:31 mario1 does the page render correctly, with a missing "Box" where the widget is sposed to be
14:31 mario1 or does it return entirely a 404 OOPS! page
14:31 mario1 or a 500
14:31 mario1 internal error
14:33 _cheerios good question, i believe it'll be separate as you'd expect. can't vouch 100% -- v-dogg / MikeSeth would probably be able to verify outright.
14:35 _cheerios (as the operation basically spawns its own container not tied to the main request)
14:36 mario1 yea
14:36 mario1 thats why im wondering, does the inner request overwrite the higher request with a 404
14:37 mario1 in your opinion, what should happen?
14:37 mario1 http wise
14:39 mario1 was looking thru the agavi docs, dont think theres a specific page about inner request dispatching
14:40 _cheerios it's been a while for me, can't remember what did what outright.
14:41 mario1 thats cool, thanks
14:41 mario1 ill stick around for mike to come back ;)
14:43 _cheerios mario1, http://pastebin.ca/1691129
14:44 _cheerios nearest example i could find in my code
14:44 _cheerios there were other types of containers too, iirc.
14:45 _cheerios view/AgaviView.class.php source has more details
14:46 mario1 ok, lets say here, the action you pass didnt existed
14:46 mario1 what would be the behavior of the page
14:47 _cheerios you'd get an exception
14:47 mario1 so essentially a 500 type of error
14:48 mario1 with the agavi exception screen
14:49 _cheerios should my memory serve me right, yes
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14:50 mario1 great, thanks for the info :)
14:50 _cheerios (as the processing of the slot itself has not begun)
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14:51 mario1 all makes sense, kind of
14:51 mario1 as an inner request has nothing to do with http stuff
14:51 mario1 more related to the system
14:51 _cheerios i wonder if wombert will be going "..." reading these logs later...
14:52 mario1 why? lol
14:53 _cheerios if my help is off by a millimeter from the correct answer, he will.
14:53 mario1 hah
14:53 mario1 well, its also hmvc related in general
14:54 mario1 i reckon other frameworks have different takes on this subject
14:54 mario1 so everyone kinda have its opinion
14:56 mario1 brb, my dogs being a meanie
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19:57 CIA-19 david * r4354 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php): Fix #1183: FormPopulationFilter raises warning with old PCRE versions
19:58 CIA-19 david * r4355 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php): Fix #1185: HTML meta tag charset detection in AgaviFormPopulationFilter never matches strings without quotation marks (also refs #1183)
20:06 CIA-19 david * r4356 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php): Made HTTP Content-Type response header charset detection in AgaviFormPopulationFilter more robust, closes #1187
20:20 CIA-19 david * r4357 /branches/1.0/ (63 files in 3 dirs): Updated timezone database to 2009s, closes #1188
20:25 CIA-19 david * r4358 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/vendor/): Updated to PHPUnit 3.4.3, closes #1184
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23:48 Wombert pokes Jarda
23:48 Wombert err
23:48 Wombert pokes Jarda
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00:15 v-dogg no poking of my staff!
00:15 v-dogg and no quits after poking
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10:17 _cheerios huomenta!
10:19 _cheerios hangover sunday
10:22 _cheerios DNS errors... sigh. work internet work!
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12:16 Wombert hey Jarda!
12:16 Jarda Wombert: !
12:17 Wombert about propel 1.4
12:17 Jarda yea
12:17 Wombert btw, can you do me a favor and always put your e-mail address into reporter fields
12:17 Wombert trac won't show it
12:17 Wombert but it makes sure you receive updates to the ticket by mail
12:17 Wombert anyway
12:17 Jarda yes
12:18 Wombert I need to say propel 1.4 makes me very angry
12:18 Wombert it's full of needless bc breaks, stupid bugfixes, commits with ten things in one go and all that stuff
12:18 Wombert but we need to fix it somehow
12:19 Wombert your patch can be simplified a bit, as propel 1.3 also doesn't need the "propel" key on the first level
12:19 Wombert also, it has the PropelConfiguration object which might make our life easaier
12:19 Wombert but what I don't like about your patch is that it pulls "classmap" into the same level as the adapter override
12:19 Wombert whilst in the config, they're not on the same level
12:19 sth Oh hai
12:20 Wombert so I was thinking about adopting propel's own scheme for defining settings
12:20 Wombert you'd then do
12:21 Wombert <ae:parameter name="overrides">
12:21 Wombert <ae:parameter name="datasources.bookstore.connection.dsn">booyah</ae:parameter>
12:21 Wombert <ae:parameter name="classmap.NewClass">NewClass</ae:parameter>
12:21 Wombert something like that
12:21 Wombert that's more effort to type
12:21 Wombert however
12:21 Wombert it's more forward compatible, because in most cases, we won't have to add new code to support new settings
12:21 Wombert just two exceptions
12:22 Wombert the first is classmap, that when specified on its own should probably be merged
12:22 Wombert and the init queries
12:22 Wombert right now init queries in overrides are appended
12:23 Wombert the code would be, more or less, this:
12:23 Wombert foreach($this->getParameter('overrides') as $key => $value) {
12:23 Wombert $propelConfig->setParameter($key, $value);
12:23 Wombert }
12:24 Wombert ($propelConfig is the PropelConfiguration object returned by Propel::getConfiguration(PropelConfiguration::TYPE_OBJECT);)
12:24 Wombert v-dogg, you wrote that, right?
12:25 sth Right, I need to get to Ostbahnhof to pick up my keys
12:26 Wombert yay sth!
12:26 sth :)
12:26 Jarda Wombert: yeah, I agree (and I agree on the stupid things in 1.4). My patch was just a quick effort to make things work with 1.4
12:27 Jarda I actually didn't look into agavi overrides etc that much :)
12:27 Wombert the thing is that we need to find some kind of solution that works in the long run
12:27 Wombert you understood the problem with the overrides?
12:27 Jarda yeah
12:27 Wombert the "overrides" thing in agavi overrides not the entire config, but only the part for the specified (or default) datasource
12:27 Wombert but now the "classmap" key is on the top level, not inside the datasource anymore
12:28 Jarda yes
12:28 Wombert this is also quite awesome: http://propel.phpdb.org/trac/ticket/815
12:28 Wombert makes me sad
12:28 Wombert propel is going to the dogs :(
12:29 sth bbl
12:29 Jarda Wombert: yeah me and v-dogg do not totally agree with francois
12:30 Jarda but unfortunately I have no time atm, have to run, you can send me email at niklas@narhinen.net
12:34 Wombert k
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14:36 Jarda Wombert: I see you are not very pleased with the direction of propel either..
14:37 Jarda of course moving is better than no acivity at all, but the direction could be a bit different..
14:39 Jarda Wombert: I could try to find time (poke v-dogg about that ;)) next week to rewrite the patch properly and write a test for the overrides. If you haven't got the time to do it yourself?
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14:41 Rayne Jarda, what is wrong with propel?</not up2date>
14:42 Jarda Rayne: they have changed the internals and say "everything is BC"
14:42 Jarda the new lead is all about symfony
14:42 Jarda "it works with symfony without changes, it's BC"
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14:43 Jarda 1.4 breaks agavi integration and they have migrated classmap to configs, so you can't have the same classmap on every system etc
14:44 Jarda 1.5 changes directory structure so that 3rd party libraries (like agavi) can't just include propel nicely etc
14:44 Jarda I guess the new structure is more symfonyish
14:44 Rayne i thought propel wants to be independent!?
14:44 Jarda and propel now has milestones according to symfonys milestones..
14:45 Jarda yeah, the new lead (francois) is all about symfony, as I said
14:45 Rayne a french lead? :P
14:45 Jarda yeah..
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15:05 Wombert though he split with the Symfony folks (he used to be a Symfony dev), and not on good terms
15:05 Wombert [15:43] Jarda: 1.4 breaks agavi integration and they have migrated classmap to configs, so you can't have the same classmap on every system etc
15:05 Wombert wait
15:05 Wombert does thatmean
15:05 Wombert looks
15:06 v-dogg classmap is now in project-conf.php
15:06 Wombert hm
15:06 Wombert okay
15:06 Wombert how is that an issue?
15:06 Wombert 'Table1TableMap' => 'behavior/map/Table1TableMap.php',
15:06 Wombert no absolute paths, so no problem
15:06 Wombert right?
15:06 Wombert or what did you mean, Jarda?
15:07 v-dogg -conf.php is environment specific and classmap is not
15:07 Wombert okay, but how is that an issue?
15:07 Wombert you'd have to copy -conf.php either way, right?
15:07 Wombert whether or not it includes the classmap isn't really relevant
15:07 v-dogg we used to have -conf.php in svn ignore
15:08 Wombert I still don't get why it changes anything!?
15:08 Jarda Wombert: we don't have phing on our production servers
15:08 Wombert (besides, you know you can use Agavi's override feature so you can use one -conf.php for everyone, right?)
15:08 v-dogg you can't just do svn up after someone has added a propel om class
15:08 Wombert but why don't you use agavi's overrides?
15:08 Wombert and have one checked in -conf.php?
15:09 v-dogg dunno really, I just never used it
15:09 Jarda we may have to move into that now
15:09 v-dogg maybe because I don't want to commit those database settings into svn
15:10 Wombert <database name="propelom" class="AgaviPropelDatabase">
15:10 Wombert <ae:parameter name="config">/Users/dzuelke/Code/oss/propel/branches/1.4/test/fixtures/bookstor​e/build/conf/bookstore-conf.php</ae:parameter>
15:10 Wombert <ae:parameter name="overrides">
15:10 Wombert <ae:parameter name="dsn">blahblah</ae:parameter>
15:10 Wombert </ae:parameter>
15:10 Wombert </database>
15:10 Wombert v-dogg: you don't have to
15:10 Jarda but changin the whole -conf -thing and saying "we are fully bc" is just bullshit
15:10 Wombert <configuration environment="production">
15:10 Wombert <xi:include href="secret.xml">
15:10 Wombert <xi:fallback />
15:10 Wombert Jarda: yes, I agree completely
15:10 v-dogg I'm sorry, gotta go get us a pizza, missus is hungry and cranky :P
15:10 v-dogg ->
15:11 Wombert :p
15:12 Jarda it's maybe bc when used from symfony or used just as a lib
15:12 Jarda but it definitely breaks integration to agavi (and I know people have done similar integrations to Zend)
15:20 ttj o
15:20 Jarda p
15:20 ttj Yeah, wrong button.
15:21 ttj But! http://www.mr-lee-catcam.de/pe_cc_u.htm
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15:23 Wombert ohhhh nice
15:23 Wombert dances
15:23 Wombert gooood stuff
15:23 Wombert hey
15:23 Wombert ttj
15:23 Wombert my buddy
15:23 Wombert how are you doing
15:23 Wombert would you happen to be travelling to mainland europe anytime soon
15:24 Wombert it's been a while since we had a drink
15:24 Wombert and how are you doing
15:24 Wombert and all
15:24 ttj I'm ok. Getting a type of promotion. More work, same pay. :P
15:24 ttj Thinking of Paris after New Year's, since EasyJet is starting to fly there for like ~30 euros.
15:24 Jarda Wombert: Turku Agile Day next year?
15:25 Wombert I might, yeah
15:25 ttj Wombert: Car working?
15:25 Jarda I plan on being not as drunk as this year..
15:25 Wombert yeah it's fixed. was the battery.
15:25 Wombert I was pondering NYC for new year's
15:25 Jarda Wombert: the registration is done with Agavi ;)
15:25 Wombert there was an error fare as continental joined star alliance
15:25 Jarda (by me)
15:26 Wombert so you booked LHR-JFK or FRA-JFK or MUC-JFK or so
15:26 Wombert via expedia.fr
15:26 Jarda (while being drunk)
15:26 Wombert and then after the return flight, you added an American Airlines flight from like... dunno... Austin to Dallas
15:26 Wombert and then the price fell to ~150 eur
15:26 Wombert and no fuel surcharge was added
15:26 Wombert quite nice
15:26 ttj Wow.
15:26 ttj And since the USD is worth shit these days I bet you can get a hotel from Manhattan for about 4.3 euros per night.
15:27 Wombert sadly, no
15:27 Wombert expect 300 eurs per night for a good hotel
15:27 Wombert minimum
15:27 Wombert it's new york...
15:27 Wombert :)
15:27 Wombert I was there in october
15:28 ttj But, what's in NYC?
15:28 saracen Space for 2 towers
15:28 Wombert well, there are a couple of nice bars
15:29 Wombert like that one in chinatown that is in an unmarked place
15:29 Wombert and they set the counter on fire before they close
15:29 Wombert and stuff
15:29 Wombert pretty ace
15:29 Wombert though I must say, in almost every regard, San Francisco is nicer
15:31 Wombert hmm, turku agile day is pretty much right after ConFoo.ca
15:38 saracen GET BEHIND ME DOKTOR
15:38 saracen I'm bored =(
15:39 sth Hey saracen
15:39 saracen hai
15:39 sth Oh, the new star trek film has been released
15:40 saracen You not seen it yet?
15:40 sth I wouldn't mind watching that again
15:40 saracen I like the direction, I hope they make moar with the same cast
15:40 sth me too
15:41 sth I should tell Felix that the radiator in his kitchen doesn't work
15:41 saracen You could tell the radiator that Felix in the kitchen doesn't work
15:41 saracen I'm not sure why, but you could
15:42 Wombert I think he knows
15:42 Wombert but I'm not sure
15:42 saracen Do you two know if couchdb supports anything like a redirect/symlink document?
15:43 sth eh?
15:44 saracen Basically so that I could have a document which points to another document in the database
15:44 sth oh, no.
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20:20 _cheerios like playing with time o_O
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22:01 matbtt Huomenta!
22:02 matbtt I'm using Doctrine as ORM in a project and I wonder if there is best practice approach how to define the models within an application...
22:03 matbtt ...actually I have ManagerModel wrapping one DB = Doctrine Table
22:04 matbtt ...but as Model I'm using the Doctrine Record
22:07 matbtt I've seen some implementations like RedRacer, they also define own Model classes which will be populated from Doctrine query result arrays. Is that a better solution?
22:13 Rayne it is overhead but it is a good idea to use the model classes which agavi is able to handle without doing some weird hacks or "cross calling" (just my opinion)
22:16 matbtt I see a clean separation by using ManagerModel and Model classes, especially as a Doctrine Record is actually more than just a simple Domain Object...
22:21 matbtt ...but I'm not sure how to handle Model class in case of large cross-table selects.
22:23 matbtt ...what's the model in this case?
22:25 Rayne the agavi model
22:25 Rayne if i understand you right
22:26 Rayne i would not recommend to put the db stuff into actions or views
22:27 Rayne so "another model layer" in your case (the agavi model) which deals with doctrine should be fine
22:27 matbtt ...actually I have ManagerModels which deals with Doctrine records, so no DB stuff etc in view.
22:28 Rayne are these doctrine manager models?
22:28 Rayne or agavi models?
22:28 matbtt ...Agavi Models
22:28 Rayne where is the problem? *scratchesbeard
22:28 matbtt :)
22:29 matbtt ...yup, let me think of an example
22:29 matbtt ...okay actually I have to handle Characters in a game.
22:29 Rayne let's write an mmorpg! :)
22:30 matbtt ...yes!
22:30 Rayne :D
22:30 matbtt ...actually I do have three modules: Account, Community, Integration
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22:31 matbtt ...all of these modules handle Characters with very different aspects.
22:33 matbtt ...narghh, my fault. I assume I need three different Character Models with specific Manager classes....
22:37 matbtt ...but, there is still one Problem. E.g. one Character belongs to one World. Both are own Entities and would be presented by own Models. What is the outcome of a query to the Character table with a join to the World table?
22:39 matbtt ...does the Character model have a reference to another Model or just to the name of the World. If the first is the case I would rebuild the object graph as (Agavi) Models which is more overhead and error prone.
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22:43 Rayne you have to decide how your models have to interact :/
22:43 Rayne hey v-dogg
22:43 matbtt ;)
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08:40 graste huomenta
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09:24 _cheerios huomenta
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10:31 horros Yesterday's Top Gear <3
10:31 horros I nearly pissed my pants just now.
10:34 _cheerios Today's feelings towards Django are far from <3. The core devs are a bunch of knobheads.
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10:50 Wombert well
10:50 Wombert what can I say
10:50 Wombert :)
10:53 Xylakant a "we're nicer knobheads" might be appropriate ;)
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12:16 Yossi_ HUOMANTA
12:17 Yossi_ Any body has example of how to work with the Agavi date facility?
12:17 Yossi_ I need to get something like time stamps for last week (first day of last week to last day of last week)
12:18 Yossi_ and last month in same manner
12:18 Yossi_ anybody have anything like that accessible ? I really don't want to go writing it myself with mktime
12:25 Yossi_ can has help?
12:38 Jarda I don't understand
12:40 Jarda $start = $translationManager->createCalendar(new DateTime("-1 weeks"); $start->set(AgaviDateDefinitions::DAY_OF_WEEK, AgaviDateDefinitiosn::MONDAY);
12:42 Jarda while ($start->get(AgaviDateDefinitions:DAY_OF_WEEK) != AgaviDateDefinitions::SUNDAY) { $start->add(..
12:43 Jarda something like that
12:43 Jarda if I understood you Yossi_ riggt
12:47 _cheerios Data centers such as those run by Google already use around 1 percent of the world's energy o_O http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-GreenBusiness/idUSTRE5AT01220091130
12:47 Yossi_ ah sorry for being away
12:52 Jarda or then just purely with DateTime. $dt = new DateTime("last week monday"); for ($i = 0; $i < 7; $i++) { $dt->modify("+$i days"); echo $dt->format('Y-m-d'); }
12:53 Yossi_ wow thanks
12:53 Yossi_ I was unaware of PHP's DateTIme class what so ever...
12:56 Jarda oh, I had a bug in that, of course echo $dt->format.. ; $dt->modify("+1 days");
12:56 Jarda but you maybe got the point :)
13:07 Yossi_ yeah I got it, thanks
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14:16 Rendez in an action how do I return a specific view that's not from the action?
14:21 Xylakant by returning an array though I do not advise to do so
14:21 Xylakant use a proper internal forward
14:30 Xylakant the issue is that using a different view from an action is a shortcut that may come back to bite you
14:31 Xylakant it introduces dependencies that are hard to track - every action that uses that given view will have to set up the proper variables and stuff
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14:37 Rendez Xylakant: got ya. My case is that actions such as login, register, account-verification and such have to redirect to the home user page
14:38 Rendez if the user is logged in
14:38 Xylakant yes, so?
14:38 Rendez I am writing too many return 'Redirect';
14:38 Rendez I thought of abstracting it
14:38 Xylakant well you can
14:38 Xylakant have a base view
14:38 Xylakant and then have all redirect views extend that
14:39 Rendez the point is not creating such views
14:39 Xylakant you're certainly free to use another actions view
14:39 Rendez but just oe
14:39 Rendez one*
14:39 Xylakant I know
14:39 Xylakant All I'm saying that I've seen those shortcuts come back to bite you
14:39 Rendez I see
14:39 Xylakant if you're certain you won't get bitten, feel free
14:40 Rendez just thinking..
14:40 Xylakant I've been bitten often enough to take the long road ;)
14:40 Rendez in any case, how's the array?
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14:45 Rendez Xylakant: ok, I'm going to "extend" a few Views
14:45 Rendez I'm curious, how do you pass the array formed?
14:46 Xylakant it's array('Module', 'View')
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14:47 Xylakant and I think you have to spellt the view's name as 'ActionNameViewName'
14:48 Xylakant And I'm not absolutely certain that this will actually work with a custom directory structure
14:48 Xylakant that's another interesting question
14:48 Jarda Xylakant: well I think it's fine to do try { $model->getById($id); } catch (FooNotFoundException $e) { return array('Default', 'Error404Success'); }
14:48 Xylakant it should though
14:48 Jarda (I use it a lot)
14:48 Xylakant Jarda: Using exceptions for control flow is flawed at a most basic level
14:49 Xylakant and I know people that used to use that a lot
14:49 Xylakant until they noticed that the error view should have an error message
14:49 Xylakant and then had to go through all those cases where they used ti
14:49 Xylakant it's just not well encapsulated
14:50 Xylakant It will work fine in 95% of all cases
14:50 Jarda well, this could be achieved also by $foo = $model->getById($id); if (!$foo) { return array('Default', 'Error404Success'); }
14:50 Jarda I happen to like exceptions :)
14:51 Xylakant but it is as with every shortcut: it will in most cases and it will create a metric fuckton of work if it turns out that you took the wrong shortcut
14:51 Rendez for me Exceptions are basically client (coder) error tracking
14:51 Rendez you should show exceptions to the final user
14:51 Rendez shouldnt*
14:52 Xylakant Jarda: exceptions are a really nice and powerful feature and I love their addition to php
14:52 Xylakant but exceptions are what their name suggests: Exceptional occurrences
14:52 Rendez Xylakant: thanks for the tip
14:52 Jarda try { $foo = $fooModel->getById($rd->getParameter('id')); } catch (FooNotFoundException $e) {return array('Default', 'Error404Success'); } catch (FooSecurityException $e) {$this->setAttribute('error', $e->getMessage()); return 'Error'; }
14:53 Xylakant and not finding what you've been looking for in a database is usually a normal mode of operation
14:53 Xylakant unless you're absolutely certain that it should be there
14:54 Xylakant but well, that's a different topic
14:54 Jarda there's absolutely no way to (without glue and ugliness) return different conditions from your model, in example those "not found" and "no credentials"
14:55 Jarda of course you could do if ($count == 0) { return null; } if (!$isallowed) return -2; etc
14:55 Jarda but that's more hackish than using exceptions
14:56 Xylakant if (!($foo = $model->getById(1)) { return 'NotFound'; } elseif (!$foo->hasPermissions()) { return 'NoPermissions' };
14:56 Jarda yeah, I was just saying I don't like to replicate those permission checks to action
14:57 Xylakant permission checks should be handled differently anyways
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14:57 Xylakant that's what User::getCredentials() etc are for
14:58 Xylakant Action:: getCredentials() and User::hasCredentials() actually
14:58 Jarda very interesting discussion, unfortunately I have to get home now :)
14:58 Xylakant have a nice evening
14:58 Jarda Xylakant: get credentials doesn't work when checking if the "foo" is created by the user etc
14:58 Jarda but now off -->
14:58 Xylakant why not?
14:59 Xylakant it certainly does
15:00 hzilla seeing strange behaviour that looks like a potential agavi bug
15:00 hzilla exporting a couple of arrays from a validator
15:01 hzilla prior to export data is as expected
15:01 hzilla in following actions one element is lost
15:03 hzilla export() injects data into the agavirequestdataholder right?
15:06 Xylakant yes
15:06 Xylakant can give a pastie of how the data looks like before and after the export?
15:07 Xylakant maybe the validation config as well?
15:08 hzilla sure
15:16 hzilla http://pastie.org/720281
15:16 hzilla one array element is lost
15:18 hzilla teh input data is 'dub+house'
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15:21 Xylakant right
15:22 Xylakant I see what's the issue though that might actually be a bug
15:23 hzilla what's that then?
15:24 hzilla can i work around for now? or fix?
15:26 Xylakant I just had a short look at the code and there's no obvious error
15:27 Xylakant I'd have suspected that the exported values don't get properly flagged as "success"
15:27 Xylakant but they should be
15:28 Xylakant and it's weird that just the values of the first key disappear
15:28 hzilla yes that's the strange bit
15:29 hzilla let me check i'm bnot calling this validator somewhere else
15:31 hzilla nope. i removed all slots from the master template except this one and its the same. this is a layout slot
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15:36 Xylakant sorry, no quick fix here
15:36 Xylakant I'd have to build a reproduction sample and I currently don't have the time
15:36 hzilla can u suggest a work around? perhaps a second validator?
15:37 Xylakant Not atm. It might help if you'd have a stand-alone sample that I can go and try
15:38 hzilla i don't really. i'll try an explicit second validator. reckon that might work
15:39 hzilla but u have access to my svn so u can use that if u want
15:39 Xylakant yeah, I might. But I haven't updated for like 2 month ;)
15:40 Xylakant try and poke me in like an hour or two. I'll be done with work then
15:40 hzilla k
16:32 hzilla ok i found the bug
16:33 hzilla AgaviArrayPathDefinition.class.php line 266
16:33 hzilla if($cur) should be if($cur != '')
16:33 hzilla its evaluating 0 as false
16:33 hzilla 0 being the first item in the array
16:34 hzilla the first item in teh path string
16:41 Xylakant nice
16:41 Xylakant could you create a ticket?
16:42 hzilla ok
16:43 Xylakant are you certain that this is the bug?
16:44 Xylakant getPartsFromPath() actually only accepts strings
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16:46 Wombert [15:48] Xylakant: And I'm not absolutely certain that this will actually work with a custom directory structure
16:46 Wombert [15:48] Xylakant: that's another interesting question
16:46 Wombert it does
16:46 Xylakant yeah, I did guess so
16:46 Xylakant but good to have a confirmation
16:47 Wombert [15:37] Rendez: Xylakant: got ya. My case is that actions such as login, register, account-verification and such have to redirect to the home user page
16:47 Xylakant actually, how so?
16:47 Wombert do a *redirect*
16:47 Wombert don't forward internally
16:47 Rendez I did
16:47 Wombert if you forward (or return a different view), then your URL is /login or so
16:47 Rendez it's working great with the array()
16:47 Rendez I found it clean enough
16:47 Wombert you shouldn't do that
16:48 Wombert the URL represents the wrong resource
16:48 Wombert you have /login in the location bar of the browser, but you're actually showing the user home page
16:48 Wombert and if he refreshes, he gets a warning about re-submitting a POST form
16:48 Rendez no, it's a redirect
16:48 Rendez not a forward
16:48 Xylakant Wombert: I think his redirect view does the redirect
16:48 Wombert ok
16:48 Wombert ah
16:48 Wombert I see
16:48 Wombert nevermind then
16:48 Rendez Xylakant just adviced to not tie it up
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16:49 Xylakant anyways, how do we figure from array('Default', 'Error404SuccesView') where to locate the view in the new directory structure?
16:49 Rendez but it's actually just a redirect line
16:49 Rendez new folder structure isn't separated by modules?
16:49 Xylakant it is
16:50 Rendez you mean the same you set up for EF2?
16:50 Xylakant but the view may be named "SuccessView" and be located in modules/Default/impl/Error404
16:51 Wombert hey hzilla
16:51 Xylakant and since the information which action the view belongs to is hidden in the view name I'm a bit puzzled how that works
16:51 Wombert hzilla: is this the issue you are having? http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/browse_thread/thread/825c1a6b778446d1
16:51 Rendez I guess you need the name of the Action
16:51 Xylakant judging from the paste it looks as if that's the issue
16:52 Xylakant Rendez: yes
16:52 Rendez or a very special naming for Views and look inside all action
16:52 Rendez s
16:52 Xylakant haha, nope
16:52 Rendez I don't see what's wrong with array('Module','Action/Impl','View')
16:52 Xylakant that's tied to your module structure
16:53 Xylakant to the actual directory layout
16:53 Rendez unless you can set up a previous method to retrieve the first two
16:53 Xylakant even worse
16:53 Wombert ah yeah Xylakant you're right
16:53 Wombert of course it needs to be different then
16:53 Xylakant pfui
16:53 Xylakant *shudders*
16:53 Wombert return array('ModuleName', 'Yellow.Sub.Marine.SuccessView');
16:53 Wombert not
16:53 Wombert return array('ModuleName', 'Yellow.Sub.MarineSuccessView');
16:54 Xylakant I think the proper way to pass it would be Action.ViewName or something like that
16:54 Wombert that doesn't help
16:54 Wombert you need the separators
16:54 Rendez what if you had $impl = createForwardViewContainer('Module','Action'); and then return array($impl, 'ViewName');
16:54 Wombert wat?
16:55 Wombert oh you mean the returned info should be module, action, view?
16:55 Wombert why?
16:55 Rendez no, just the first param should be a container with Module and Action names
16:55 Rendez just a thought
16:56 Rendez I like the naming approach better though
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16:59 Rendez Yellow.Sub.Marine.SuccessView xD
17:00 Rendez that would be a fisheye
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17:06 hzilla Wombert: yes that appears to be the same issue
17:07 Wombert thanks hzilla
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17:12 Treffynnon Hi. I have a form for creating new users in my system. The application uses RBAC and I have an rbac_definitions.xml document in place. Is it possible to get the roles from the XML document to in a drop down to allow the admin to set the new users "group"?
17:13 Treffynnon could this same list of roles be used to then validate the selection from the dropdown as well?
17:17 hzilla Treffynon - the config should be in $this->definitions from your user class
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17:28 hzilla Xylakant: yes the array keys are flattened in the export method
17:30 Treffynnon hzilla: thanks for the pointer
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