Log opened Tue Sep 01 00:00:16 2009
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06:05 horros Huomenta.
06:06 simoncpu huomenta
06:06 simoncpu how do you make a singleton in agavi?
06:06 simoncpu AgaiISingleton is an empty interface
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06:09 horros Let me poke around and see.
06:10 horros Seems you extend AgaviModel and implement AgaviISingleton
06:10 horros then just do a $context->getModel()
06:11 horros It'll figure ot if it's a singleton based on wether or not it implements the singleton interface.
06:11 horros out*
06:11 simoncpu ah...
06:12 simoncpu oki, lemme try
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06:32 simoncpu btw, instead of using __construct(), i should use initialize(), right?
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06:42 horros Yessir.
06:46 simoncpu cool, tnx tnx
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07:01 Jarda I would like to do something like "February 2010" with translation manager
07:01 Jarda I can't figure out the syntax
07:02 v-dogg afaik you need a custom domain for it
07:03 Jarda yeah, that one I did figure out, but the question is about the formatting :)
07:03 Jarda no idea what format translator manager uses
07:04 Jarda not the one from strftime at least
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07:07 v-dogg http://userguide.icu-project.org/formatparse/datetime#TOC-SimpleDateFormat
07:07 Chermobi huomenta
07:07 v-dogg Jarda: try MMMM yyyy
07:11 Jarda v-dogg: are months in finnish written in lower case?
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07:13 v-dogg jep
07:13 Jarda ok, then it works, thanks
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07:23 graste_ huomenta
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08:23 Chermobi irc on mobile is deffo less distracting to work, but meh, i miss it
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Log opened Tue Sep 01 09:49:41 2009
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10:46 _cheerios meh. mirggi kept crashing. i guess i need to learn to use irssi :|
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10:56 CIA-87 felix * r4275 /branches/1.0/test/ (3 files in 2 dirs): adds some tests for the AgaviNumberValidator
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11:22 CIA-87 felix * r4276 /branches/1.0/test/tests/unit/validator/AgaviNumberValidatorTest.php: adds test for max and min errors
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12:33 _cheerios hmm, when using ro->gen(null) as a forms action, FPF gets disabled when a query param is eg. ?meh=http://foo.com:123/
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12:36 _cheerios actually, hmm, i wonder if its my routing or what, seems like a double-slash issue
12:37 _cheerios nah, route is open-ended... just double-slash disables fpf, yet route works :odd:
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12:43 _cheerios i wonder what year this double-slash issue will disappear from agavi
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13:01 Xylakant _cheerios: that's a bit a tricky problem with those double slashes
13:01 Xylakant some parts of the problem relate to apache defaults
13:01 Xylakant it's not a single problem but a mixture of more
13:03 _cheerios i've set lighttpd to identify as apache, that fixes ro->gen problems. but not against this (FPF can be disabled client-side on ro->gen(null) form-actions)
13:04 _cheerios actually a side-effect of a recent change, where i opted for ro->gen(null), to support the same input for multiple output types from different routes (html, mobile(xml)) etc.
13:04 Xylakant hmm
13:05 Xylakant could you write up a summary of what's not working properly?
13:07 _cheerios calling a view that has a template like, <form action="{$ro->gen(null)}" method="post" id="form" name="form">, will have its FPF disabled on a POST if the form's action has a doubleslash. As ro->gen(null) takes anything, this means forms won't work unless the request url is what one would expect.
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13:12 _cheerios problem-scenario came up when the action is called with eg. ?redirect=http://foo.com, and the form's action picked that up
13:12 Xylakant ok, that might be an fpf matching but
13:12 Xylakant maybe something does not get escaped properly
13:12 Jarda butt
13:12 _cheerios but it could as well be just // without any query params
13:13 Xylakant are you certain? I know that FPF sometimes gets in trouble on ro->gen(null)
13:13 Xylakant you'd have to ask david for details though
13:13 _cheerios yes, atleast on php5.2.6+lighttpd1.4.19
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14:06 shrink0r fnordfish1 graste_ : god, you are a bunch of angry programmers ^^
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14:08 graste_ ^^
14:09 fnordfish1 LOL
14:10 sth Hey
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14:14 zwenni Hi, I've an issue, that my decorator is not rendered and I'm pretty sure it has s.th. to do with some of the validate.xml files. Is there any possibility to find out quickly which file cause that problem?
14:15 zwenni The weird thing is, on a second machine everything works fine (checkout of the same repo).
14:26 graste_ libxml
14:26 graste_ version
14:26 graste_ s
14:26 fnordfish1 check out libxml version
14:26 graste_ ^^
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14:31 zwenni are both the same 2.6.32
14:32 graste_ hm
14:33 zwenni xsl versions are the same as well
14:35 zwenni ok, let's assume there's a problem parsing the xmls, why nothing is written into the logs?
14:35 Xylakant hmm
14:35 Xylakant decorator rendering usually does not depend on the libxml version
14:36 Xylakant and it should not depend on validation either
14:37 impl maybe your output_types.xml is broked?
14:38 impl that'd be my starting point anyway
14:38 zwenni i had a similar issue some days before, and it was an old namespace inside one of the validation files...
14:39 impl O_o
14:39 impl those should be auto-migrated
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14:39 zwenni as you said: SHOULD ;-)
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14:40 impl ;)
14:40 impl do you see any old namespaces in your current files?
14:40 zwenni tons of
14:40 impl oh
14:41 impl bah. there's probably a bug somewhere in there.
14:43 sth Hey impl
14:45 MikeSeth man
14:45 MikeSeth so much win
14:45 MikeSeth I wish I could physically lick Agavi
14:46 sth MikeSeth: lick a tshirt isntead
14:46 sth instead*
14:46 MikeSeth oh man I dont even know where I put it
14:49 saracen Maybe under the bed like a filthy magazine?
14:49 impl hai sth
14:49 saracen waits for his hai
14:56 sth stfu saracen
14:56 sth Oh I still need to deliver your shirt
14:56 sth It's only 2 miles away!
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14:58 saracen lol, no rush :)
14:59 sth Good because I'm lazy
15:09 MikeSeth sth: wait are you still in Germany?
15:18 sth UK
15:18 sth I'm on holiday
15:18 MikeSeth bastard :P
15:18 MikeSeth how's bx so far?
15:18 sth Pretty cool
15:19 sth Decided on a short holiday for a week and then I'm going back all refreshed :)
15:19 sth And drunk.
15:19 MikeSeth sounds like a plan
15:20 sth I bought some british tea to take back
15:20 sth It's hard to find twinnings tea in Munich
15:21 Xylakant like in any major supermarket?
15:21 sth I couldn't see any generic tea
15:22 impl how do you know about supermarkets
15:22 sth They have earl grey and other blends
15:22 impl Germany doesn't have supermarkets
15:22 sth heh
15:22 sth They have crappy stores :)
15:22 MikeSeth heh when I was in London I brought back some british tea
15:22 MikeSeth sie gutt
15:22 impl they have shopping cart ramps
15:22 MikeSeth or something
15:22 MikeSeth I wish in Israel there was automatic checkout like in .uk
15:23 sth heh
15:23 sth I like those self checkouts in the uk
15:23 MikeSeth yeah they never have lines and shit
15:24 sth Xylakant: you try and find: http://www.twiningsfs.co.uk/images/black_tea/pic_everyday_tea.jpg
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15:33 asonge i can't get a value for frequencyrange in http://pastie.org/601766 in my request data holder
15:33 impl it's because you suck.
15:33 impl hmm
15:33 sth And you're "retired".
15:34 asonge :P
15:34 asonge impl: i even put another validator for just a string outside it and it doesn't work unless i remove that or validator
15:37 asonge why is this thing acting so stupid
15:40 impl :\
15:40 asonge i think it has to do with it failing in the or and getting unset globally
15:40 asonge which is very unfortunate
15:41 impl I'm too lazy to go through the internals and figure out why it's failing atm :x
15:41 asonge i'm hands-deep in agavivalidationreport right now
15:41 impl I suspect that's not where the problem is gonna be
15:41 impl probably somewhere in AgaviValidator or AgaviValidationManager
15:43 asonge yeah
15:44 asonge nah, it's in the report
15:45 asonge the report under "succeeded validators" doesn't return frequencyrange in the list, but it doesn't appear in the failed validators
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15:48 asonge ah-hah, i think i have to turn down the severity on the failed validators in the or.
15:49 asonge that did it.
15:49 impl ah.
15:50 asonge it was in some weird netherworld
15:50 Xylakant asonge: if the parameter has been marked as "failed" by a single validator, it will be removed
15:50 asonge it was neither a failed argument or a succeeded one
15:51 asonge Xylakant: right, but the validators in the or statement exist only to provide a dependency for other validators
15:51 Xylakant yes
15:51 asonge and i didn't know why severity was useful
15:51 Xylakant so now you know :)
15:51 asonge it's like you have to rtfs to understand anything, lol
15:59 impl AND WE LIKE IT THAT WAY
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18:04 everplays yeah :P http://howzeh.ir/
18:05 everplays MikeSeth check it :) ^
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20:21 miniRC Huomenta!
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21:14 _cheerios google email services seem to be napping
21:14 erisco indeed, news has spread over the entire conscious Internet
21:17 erisco GMAIL IS BACK ONLINE
21:17 _cheerios http://www.google.com/appsstatus
21:19 erisco not listed in Google Search
21:19 erisco is*
21:22 erisco _cheerios, how go you personal projects? I am always interested
21:23 _cheerios keeping me busy, aiming to have an alphaish demo by middle of this month
21:25 _cheerios orm is on hold, missing like ~1 thing to be usable (mysql) in a might-burn-your-house-down way
21:25 graste ^^
21:26 _cheerios aggregator (feedraider.com) is eating the internet, though slightly buggy and ive had no time to fix stuff lately
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21:27 erisco _cheerios, I will be first in line if no one else has volunteered
21:30 _cheerios great. can use all the help on that front when the time is nigh, and esp. patches for broken stuff :p
21:35 erisco unless I absolute it hate it
21:35 erisco _cheerios, lots of encouragement right there for you :P
21:36 _cheerios hate.. my stuff? impossible
21:36 erisco oh, good then :)
21:40 erisco _cheerios, I am making my own progress as well (albeit slowly)
21:40 erisco almost have one of the many pieces to the RedRacer technical documentation complete... first draft
21:41 _cheerios i might be moving to new york next year if things take one of the possible routes at work
21:41 _cheerios i wonder what that'd be like
21:41 erisco it'd be the death of me considering I dislike cities
21:42 _cheerios my latest project is actually about cities, the one i'm typing code for at this very moment
21:42 erisco coincidence??
21:42 erisco leaves for supper
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22:40 erisco first draft finished and shipped!
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05:17 v-dogg huomenta
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06:50 horros Huomenta.
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08:34 zwenni Hey Xylakant
08:34 Xylakant hi :)
08:36 zwenni My issue from yesterday: It was a cache xml file for one of the slots...
08:36 Xylakant yes, that may happen
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08:37 Xylakant if you sometime cache just the slot
08:37 Xylakant for example if you have an ajax output type that gets cached with the same cache groups as the main action
08:40 Xylakant or if you have a cache definition that does not take the "is_slot" parameter into account and use the same action as a slot and as a full page
08:41 graste_ :o
08:41 graste_ huomenta
08:41 Jarda http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/more-on-todays-gmail-issue.html.
08:41 Jarda http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/more-on-todays-gmail-issue.html
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08:46 zwenni Found the exact problem!
08:46 zwenni <caching method="read write" ...> produces the error
08:46 zwenni if I change it to <caching method="read" ...> everything is fine.
08:47 zwenni bloody shit
08:48 nfq Xylakant: yo dude
08:48 Xylakant zwenni: you're on trunk, isn't it?
08:49 zwenni no, I'm on a branch
08:49 Xylakant that was a bug introduced with the changes that allow namespaces in config files
08:49 graste_ reminds himself again to remove the "read write" thingy from the faq
08:49 Xylakant but it was fixed a couple of days ago
08:49 zwenni hmm...
08:49 Xylakant reminds graste_ to leave that part in
08:50 graste_ =)
08:50 graste_ k
08:50 Xylakant nfq: what's up?
08:50 nfq Xylakant: you around after lunch for a quick chat?
08:50 zwenni Xylakant: ok, wait a sec
08:51 Xylakant whenever lunch is...
08:51 nfq hahah
08:51 nfq well, I am going to be in the office from 12.30
08:51 nfq so, I am available anytime from then..
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08:53 zwenni Xylakant: I'm running http://svn.agavi.org/branches/1.0/src rev. 4276 and it's not working.
08:54 Xylakant bah, use a trac link please ;)
08:54 zwenni :-)
08:55 Xylakant ok, i was referring to http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/4263/
08:55 Xylakant but it seems it was only fixed for validators
08:56 Xylakant I
08:56 Xylakant should be fixed soon
09:00 CIA-87 felix * r4277 /branches/1.0/src/config/xsd/parts/caching.xsd:
09:00 CIA-87 fixed 'method' attribute declarations in caching.xsd to accept {
09:00 CIA-87 http://agavi.org/agavi/config/global/types/1.0}php_label_list instead of {
09:00 CIA-87 http://agavi.org/agavi/config/global/types/1.0}php_label, refs #1133, [4263].
09:00 CIA-87 thanks Sven Hermann for the heads-up
09:01 Xylakant zwenni: could you please test
09:01 Xylakant that should fix it
09:09 zwenni one moment...
09:10 zwenni Is working! Great! Thanx a lot!
09:13 Xylakant you're welcome
09:37 sth Morning
09:38 codecop how to export in validator xml datetime to unix timestamp?
09:38 sth codecop: Write a custom validator
09:39 codecop ah
09:54 Xylakant codecop: the datetimevalidator should be able to do that
09:55 Xylakant set the parameter 'cast_to' to 'unix'
09:55 Xylakant btw: it's all in the api docs ;)
09:55 codecop api :) let look at it
10:06 codecop meh, it says unix timestamps doesnt work yet
10:12 Xylakant what?
10:12 Xylakant where?
10:15 codecop one min
10:17 codecop hm i cant find too where i was reading it
10:17 codecop :)
10:17 codecop nevermind
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10:21 _cheerios huomenta
10:46 codecop grr can anyone show in paste how to cast in AgaviDateValidator to unix timestamp?
10:47 codecop cant figure uot
10:48 codecop out
10:48 _cheerios what's the best way to store latitude and longitude into a database?
10:52 Xylakant codecop: could you paste your current config?
10:52 horros _cheerios: as decimals.
10:52 Xylakant _cheerios: use a GIS-enabled database
10:52 horros Yes that, if you need one.
10:53 _cheerios seems there is http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/spatial-extensions.html
10:53 Xylakant if you don't need/have one use two decimals with appropriate precision
10:53 horros MySQL :(
10:54 Xylakant I'd use postgis for any serious GIS app
10:55 codecop http://pastebin.com/m7dcd458a cant get to work cast_to unix timestamp
10:57 Xylakant hmm
10:57 Xylakant I don't see any error there
10:58 Xylakant the format parameter is probably redundant
10:58 codecop m, i got [start_at] => 1999-01-01 01-01-01
10:58 codecop but i expecting like 1254654654
10:58 codecop amd cant get it
10:59 codecop and
10:59 Jarda try to remove the format-parameter
11:00 codecop removed format, now empty result: [start_at] =>
11:00 Xylakant how does your input look like?
11:00 _cheerios not sure what kind of calculations location-wise needed so far. probably proximity (other places within a given radius)... anyone done GIS with postgres? what kind of calculations have you needed?
11:01 codecop m one thing im using latest svn 1.02dev i think
11:02 Xylakant codecop: how does your INPUT look like?
11:02 codecop http://pastebin.com/mcc7c19 there is inputed data in fields
11:02 Xylakant ah
11:02 Xylakant _cheerios: my brother has done extensive work with postgis
11:05 Xylakant codecop: that looks in general fine and I know that casting works
11:05 Xylakant could you try "type" => "unix"
11:05 Xylakant and remove format?
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11:06 Xylakant _cheerios: I could ask him if you'd have a list of questions
11:06 codecop type ž> unix thows exception datetimevalidator 290line
11:06 codecop type => unix thows exception datetimevalidator 290line
11:07 codecop http://pastebin.com/m4d99b22d
11:07 _cheerios Xylakant, thanks, will keep in mind -- all still in the planning phase.
11:08 codecop mayby latest svn branch is cousing it?
11:08 Xylakant I'd be surprised, there have been no changes to the DateTimeValidator
11:09 Xylakant _cheerios: if you need to join on points or proximity or need indexes on spatial constructs then you probably need a gis database
11:10 Xylakant if all you need is "all points that are close to a known point" then you probably don't
11:10 Xylakant you can get a good approximation by placing a bounding box around that and then eliminate all points that are not in the circle
11:11 Xylakant the bounding box can be indexed easily even with decimals
11:11 Xylakant anyways, lunch
11:15 codecop i thin i found smth parameter type=>'datetime' is the problem removed and get integer
11:16 codecop meh several hours of work day pufff.... and gone
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12:31 _cheerios seems geonames.org has the whole world mapped with freely available exports to play with
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12:52 _cheerios someone using n900, seems good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrYqemylpIo
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13:08 nfq yo Xylakant
13:09 Xylakant hi
13:13 nfq Xylakant: got a sec for a PM?
13:14 Xylakant in like 5 minutes
13:14 nfq k
13:21 _cheerios "When the screen lights up, it is an almost holy moment. The resolution is astonishing. It makes an iPhone look like a GameBoy."
13:23 Xylakant well, I could say that about my desktop monitor
13:23 Xylakant nfq: what
13:23 Xylakant 's up?
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13:38 jpdery _cheerios: what device ?
13:40 _cheerios n900: (links have hands-on videos) http://twitter.com/mixman/status/3710921162
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14:27 Rayne does anyone implemented modules as optional plugins/extensions [which are hooked up in any kind] when using agavi? for instance a optional "comments" module for "static content"?
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15:50 Jarda nice, agavi app running on snow leopards own php+apache
15:50 Jarda no problems <3
15:51 Jarda php5.3 and stuff
15:51 Xylakant fine
15:52 Xylakant could you run the unit tests?
15:52 Jarda haven't tried
15:52 Jarda trunk, branches?
15:53 Jarda oh nice, svn included
15:53 Jarda likes
15:57 Jarda Xylakant: Catchable fatal error: Argument 2 passed to PHPUnit_TextUI_TestRunner::run() must be an array, string given, called in /Users/jarda/work/netbeans/agavi/tests2/AllTests.php on line 32 and defined in /Users/jarda/work/netbeans/agavi/src/vendor/PHPUnit/TextUI/TestRunner.php on line 109
15:58 Xylakant hmm, PHPUnit version mismatch?
15:58 Jarda Xylakant: as you see, using the one from agavi trunk
15:58 Xylakant I'll have a look, thanks
15:59 Jarda I run it from tests2 with php -d include_path=../src/vendor/ AllTests.php
16:02 Jarda run.. ran? stupid english
16:02 Jarda hmm, now if I can install postgresql without macports I'm happy
16:04 saracen n900 has a resistive touch screen ;o
16:07 Jarda noes, no PDO_pgsql
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19:51 Jarda AgaviDateTimeValidator, How to combine fields containing 15.5.2005 and 15.55 to one DateTime? :)
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19:55 codecop Jarda, http://pastebin.com/d64a34a03 my validator, casts to unix timestamp
20:01 Jarda yeah, but I wouldn't want to split my inputs to more than two
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20:02 Jarda oh yeah, arguments_format might do it
20:03 codecop ah zo
20:04 codecop :)
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20:07 codecop Jarda, can share paste, when finish?
20:09 graste http://www.google.com/search?q=number+of+horns+on+a+unicorn
20:09 graste http://my.opera.com/dbloom/blog/2009/09/02/secret-opera-only-feature-in-gmail
20:10 graste just a coincidence, that an ex-opera employee now working for google posts this? ^^
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20:22 erisco HUOMENTA
20:23 Jarda codecop: yeah: http://pastebin.com/m56702749
20:23 Jarda didn't test that well
20:23 Jarda have to go to bed..
20:24 codecop thanx
20:24 codecop no i see the point
20:24 codecop saves time
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08:36 _cheerios http://programmer.97things.oreilly.com/wiki/index.php/Edited_Contributions
08:51 simoncpu short stories! nice...
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10:38 saracen_ haha
10:38 saracen_ i just met sth
10:38 saracen_ well, sort of.
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10:46 _cheerios was he the man you expected him to be?
10:46 saracen_ he was so much more.
10:46 saracen_ I dont think I can even remember now
10:49 saracen_ There must be away to speed up agavis bootstrap process
10:53 Xylakant saracen_: in what respect?
10:53 Xylakant use a bytecode cache and tune it
10:54 saracen_ using a bytecode cache. I guess it's just phps slowness
10:55 saracen_ but -c 1000 -n 100 - just the bootstrap process takes 10 seconds
10:56 E_mE saracen_: you got in production mode?
10:57 saracen_ yeah
11:07 E_mE awesome drain hole into the center of the earth ;) http://pixdaus.com/single.php?id=30364
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11:40 CIA-87 felix * r4278 /trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs):
11:40 CIA-87 - support for include/exclude patterns in testsuites
11:40 CIA-87 - adds the AgaviRecursiveDirectoryFilterIterator
11:40 CIA-87 - adds a suite for all tests
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11:41 _cheerios E_mE, menacing!
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11:43 E_mE ja, I keep thinking how horrid it would be to fall down it
11:56 _cheerios http://www.symfony-project.org/blog/2009/08/27/subversion-mirrors-for-phing-prop​el-and-doctrine for those using phing/propel might be moderately useful
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12:53 CIA-87 felix * r4279 /branches/felix-buildsystem-method-support/ (6 files in 6 dirs): merger [4278/trunk], adds support for include and exclude patterns in the suites.xml
12:56 CIA-87 felix * r4280 /branches/felix-buildsystem-method-support/src/build/templates/test/config/suite​s.xml.tmpl: add the default "All" suite to the suites.xml template
13:01 horros slaps Agilo Pro
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17:17 Jarda Xylakant: http://codepad.org/kgSTp4cj and http://codepad.org/ftrvCePQ
17:17 Jarda Xylakant: am I doing something wrong?
17:17 Jarda latest trunk
17:18 Xylakant I have no idea about the second one
17:18 Xylakant but the first one is because you need to set a default timezone in php
17:18 E_mE very awww http://www.olivepixel.com/misc/kitten/
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17:24 Jarda Xylakant: http://codepad.org/yTmQNV0i
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17:28 Xylakant looks fine to me
17:28 Xylakant some failures are expected
17:28 Xylakant or at least they're in the current trunk
17:30 Jarda ok, you just wanted to know about the tests on php5.3 @ os x
17:30 Jarda or so I thought at least :)
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19:56 Xylakant thanks for testing jarda
19:56 Xylakant the results look fine
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10:39 _cheerios alcohol before noon, this is looking to be super-productive day
10:40 _cheerios still smirking over a business card i received yesterday; "innovation manager" heh, funny
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14:47 saracen_ sth: i found it awkward.
14:49 Jarda now it's time to do some serious C# learning
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14:04 _cheerios sup MikeSeth
14:11 sth Hey
14:12 sth haha http://twitpic.com/gp6al
14:12 sth sfw
14:15 saracen_ lawl
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14:16 saracen http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CIOvqPqEztezIBCsAhjvATIIQLuhC​z8etiQ
14:16 saracen Are they saying black people can now build websites, or that women now can?
14:16 Rayne lawl =D
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14:18 sth saracen!
14:18 sth Shirt fit?
14:19 saracen I havent tried it on yet
14:19 saracen It needed washing!
14:19 saracen You'd gotten some mark on it
14:19 sth Oh yeah.
14:19 sth I have no idea what that was
14:20 saracen I settled for "german filth"
14:20 sth It might be dust or something, I used it to wrap some beer up before my flight
14:21 sth I used my agavi shirt to do that same
14:21 MikeSeth that oughta even it out then :P
14:21 saracen I'm surprised you managed to pick the morning I was actually in work
14:21 sth heh
14:21 saracen I'm only there for a little bit monday and friday mornings
14:21 sth It was the last day I was in P'Boro
14:22 saracen where you now then?
14:22 sth Munich
14:22 saracen oic
14:27 erisco so I am thinking of taking a new angle on my on-the-side freelancing thingie
14:28 erisco I noticed that I use a whole lot of "look at me" kind of wording on the site and I can do better than that
14:28 saracen can has look at your site?
14:28 saracen Just dont write it like this guy
14:28 saracen http://torjo.com/
14:28 erisco I am considering changing the subtitle from "Freelance Website Design & Development" which is boring, repetitive, to "Your Dream in Development"
14:29 saracen I was going to use his code, I didnt purely because he's a dickhead. I wonder if he's employed.
14:29 sth He's a C++ expert, he must be good!
14:29 saracen He uses templates, too!
14:30 erisco my original idea was "Your Vision in Development" but the alliteration is better
14:30 MikeSeth sth: don't say that near ka0s
14:30 erisco also, even though I am a single developer, I talk in "we" and "us"
14:30 saracen Is ka0s a C++ expert?
14:30 erisco not sure why, but maybe I should be personal?
14:31 MikeSeth sth: would eat you, me and all of us for breakfast
14:31 MikeSeth when i stayed at his place he was showing off qt 4.0 man that thing is mad awesome
14:31 erisco you guys had a sleepover?
14:32 erisco awww
14:32 MikeSeth his coffee machine gave me hard time
14:33 MikeSeth i oughta shave next time, too
14:33 MikeSeth 'nfact i oughta shave now
14:33 MikeSeth ponders purchasing a classic razor blade
14:33 MikeSeth fuck the recyclable bs
14:34 erisco electric is convenient :)
14:38 sth pft. kaos sucks at everything :D
14:45 erisco okay okay, here we go
14:45 erisco "You are envisioning a brand new idea for your website and only need a way to create it. Abstract Flow will help you. Get technical-knowledge-based direction. Get your concept developed. Make your dream real."
14:46 erisco what we do, what problem we solve, what you can expect
14:49 erisco come on been-there peoples... yay or nay and why? :)
14:50 erisco this is my non-serious business playground... and even if it wasn't I'd need the brutal opinions
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14:55 erisco sighs
14:59 erisco does no one respond without a ping? MikeSeth saracen sth :D
14:59 erisco with the low amount of anything happening in this channel I keep it set to notify on any message :P
15:01 saracen whaa
15:02 erisco shrugs
15:02 saracen i was having a shower
15:02 erisco you are not allowed
15:02 erisco unless you install an IRC client in there
15:02 MikeSeth erisco: i are confus, is that a product you are marketing?
15:03 saracen IRC isn't weather proof
15:03 erisco MikeSeth, a service, yes
15:03 saracen If you're going ircing you'll never weatherprooofs, oooo oo ooo oooooo
15:03 saracen Or was it waterproofs
15:03 MikeSeth erisco: that's a load of market droid speak, I can't deduce from it what your service DOES
15:04 saracen erisco: did you post your site url? I missed it =(
15:04 erisco http://www.abstractflow.com
15:04 erisco MikeSeth, hm, yes, that seems to be true :P
15:05 erisco well I do have a box next to that explicitly outlining what it is we do
15:05 erisco website publishing, website design, and web application development
15:05 saracen premature eargasm -- that sounds discusting.
15:05 saracen wee
15:05 saracen disgusting*
15:05 saracen err*
15:05 saracen argh. oo eww.
15:05 erisco only if you let your mind drift in that direction :P
15:06 MikeSeth erisco: who is the target audience for this, upper level management?
15:06 saracen erisco: I like the site.
15:06 erisco the sites I have done have either been for locals or for friends
15:06 erisco saracen, thanks
15:07 erisco MikeSeth, what would you recommend?
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15:28 MikeSeth erisco: IMO you should emphasize special applications and not just generic websites
15:28 MikeSeth you should present yourself as superior to your competitors and no just in terms of design
15:29 MikeSeth also, the wording is a little bland imo
15:29 erisco personally I am a poor artist :)
15:29 MikeSeth reeks of marketspeak
15:30 MikeSeth you need more example apps
15:30 erisco hm, I will need to build some then
15:30 MikeSeth preferably server-side
15:30 MikeSeth http://www.abstractflow.com/media/portfolio/large/needtodevelop.png
15:30 MikeSeth this is too generic a template
15:30 MikeSeth kill it
15:30 erisco my blog? :o
15:31 MikeSeth the SCREENSHOT
15:31 erisco I do need a template for my blog but I haven't decided on anything yet
15:31 erisco ah, the screenshot :P
15:31 erisco well, better yet, I should decide on some sort of design for the blog and just fix it
15:31 erisco default Habari layouts are lame
15:31 MikeSeth prematureeargasm has fever ray listed
15:31 MikeSeth i forgive them :P
15:32 MikeSeth And PLEASE
15:32 MikeSeth I mean PLEASE
15:32 erisco my friend runs that site, quite a music fanatic he is in ways of indie bands
15:32 MikeSeth kill every mention of the conspiracy sites
15:32 MikeSeth because no one wants to trust their money to nutjobs
15:32 MikeSeth and you dont wanna come off as one
15:32 erisco chuckles
15:32 erisco I've always had a bit of a place for those things, but *okay*
15:33 erisco I am spending a bit of time becoming familiar with flat earth theory at the moment
15:33 MikeSeth well that place isn't your business place
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15:33 erisco I'll believe you
15:34 MikeSeth you really need samples of dynamic applications
15:34 MikeSeth and list of techologies you are comfortable with
15:35 MikeSeth also if I am going to start security probing your contact us form
15:35 MikeSeth do you think I would be able to spam random people with it? ;P
15:35 erisco probably, I'd try
15:35 MikeSeth <!--<div id="menu">
15:35 MikeSeth <h2>Services</h2>
15:35 MikeSeth <ul>
15:35 MikeSeth <li><a href="/services/#publishing">Web Site Publishing</a></li>
15:35 erisco there is no captcha either
15:35 MikeSeth <li><a href="/services/#setup">Web Software Setup</a></li>
15:35 MikeSeth <li><a href="/services/#general">General Website Creation</a></li>
15:35 MikeSeth what's this? kill it with fire
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15:35 erisco hmmmmmm
15:35 erisco I killed it with a comment
15:36 MikeSeth no, you commented it
15:36 MikeSeth now I can read it
15:36 erisco must have somehow still existed...
15:36 MikeSeth ;P
15:36 MikeSeth also if this is an Agavi site, kick in the tidy filter
15:36 MikeSeth [that I wrote and bx rewrote :P]
15:36 erisco I do not know how to do that
15:36 erisco or know why I'd want to do that
15:37 MikeSeth tidy formalizes HTML
15:37 MikeSeth cleans it up, validates and indents it
15:37 MikeSeth so you get uniform, pretty html in the browser in case anyone looks
15:37 MikeSeth (I do :P)
15:37 erisco how do I turn it on
15:38 MikeSeth probably just register a global filter
15:38 MikeSeth "Using both server-side and client-side technologies, we can deliver dynamic and rich applications to your users from the ground up. These applications can give a boost to the functionality of your web site and offer new features that would otherwise be infeasible with basic web pages."
15:38 MikeSeth this is meaningless, it must be more specific and more aggressive
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15:39 MikeSeth imagine your audience is just one guy and the guy wants a website.. the marketspeak doesn't answer his questions
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15:42 erisco it is meaningless
15:42 erisco I think I have a certain disorder where regardless of what I do, I can only see the downsides
15:43 erisco and so when I do think of something that might work I end up scrapping it and then forcing to choose something subpar because I am out of time
15:43 erisco plus this behaviour is easily reproducible
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15:44 erisco ehem, but anyways, what questions should I answer MikeSeth?
15:44 erisco all I can comprehend is someone is already looking for a particular web application to be built
15:44 erisco so, what do I say to that person?
15:47 saracen "Do you feel lucky", just before pulling the trigger and running off with their money
16:03 erisco MikeSeth, I do not have the tidy extension installed
16:04 erisco wait, I am not compiling PHP anymore
16:04 erisco this will be easy :)
16:07 erisco now that the extension is installed why does the tidy class not exist =\
16:10 saracen you restart php?
16:10 erisco of course
16:10 erisco the extension is not loaded... checking it out
16:13 erisco okay, this is a bit strange :)
16:18 erisco eek, I am still on compiled php
16:18 erisco whoops
16:19 erisco hope I did not break too many things :P
16:25 erisco so now I have to clean out the compiled php installation
16:25 erisco and move back to the one in the repo
16:25 erisco what a mess
16:33 erisco wait a minute, Ubuntu is not on 5.3 yet? dangit
16:34 erisco oh well, I will just install in an isolated directory for my 5.3 goodness
16:34 erisco I cleaned out the compiled php installation with checkinstall... what an awesome tool!
16:39 _cheerios 5.3 wont be on ubuntu for a long time still, end of 2010 earliest iirc
16:39 erisco well, see, I just let php 5.3 install wherever it wanted to
16:39 erisco and that may or may not conflict with the repo packages
16:40 erisco so I will have php 5.3 but will install it somewhere specific
16:40 saracen I hear the hold back was because there was no hardened php for the release - there is not but it was only released end of last month, in beta
16:40 saracen now*
16:41 erisco Warning: tidy::parseString() [tidy.parsestring]: Could not set encoding ''
16:41 erisco that probably comes from the config I left blank
16:42 erisco best question is why it is not detecting encoding automatically
16:43 erisco gah, and why did tidy turn my document into a pile of poo
16:47 erisco yay its pretty now
16:51 erisco but my shared hosting does not have tidy installed
16:51 erisco sorry :(
16:51 erisco it looks pretty locally though :)
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17:11 Jarda syncing google calendar with iCal is hell
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17:19 Jarda Sspanning sync would be great, but $65 for calendar syncing is too much imo
17:20 Jarda and one-way syncing with webdav get broken too often..
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17:31 Jarda the problem is, I would like to be able to sync iCal, my nokia and google calendar
17:31 Jarda seems to be impossible..
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18:12 Rayne if a action creates dynamic slots, is the action then cachable or only the called slots?
18:15 graste i'd say it's cacheable, but you should really know on which parameters the slot creation depends to not have the first call cached and then stay with it
18:31 Rayne as expected, great! thanks for that information graste :)
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20:42 _cheerios what do you guys think of the name "tuurban" ?
20:42 erisco sounds like turban
20:42 _cheerios im thinking of using it for a startup about cities
20:43 _cheerios comes from Tú (You) + Urban
20:43 erisco it sounds like turban
20:43 _cheerios idd :)
20:44 _cheerios but, you'd know you went somewhere wrong going there *g* (that's one positive way to look at it! or, atleast you'd ask.. DID YOU MEAN TURBAN?! :D)
20:47 erisco _cheerios, help me. where do you get your ideas?
20:47 erisco they say ideas are cheap, so why do I have none?
20:48 _cheerios lots of hit and miss
20:49 erisco I am no good at this solo stuff...
20:49 erisco I need to work with someone
20:49 erisco but no matter how hard I try I cannot even give away my time and talent
20:50 erisco unless it be to something entirely devoid of any human characteristic
20:50 erisco lately it was "help our ad server"... "here, just look at our bug tracker and fix the bugs"
20:50 erisco well... thanks...
20:51 erisco what is this whole thing supposed to be? really? why am I lost?
20:51 erisco help
20:52 _cheerios i've found Open Coffee -like events to be very inspirational
20:54 erisco finding more reason to keep kicking around is something I've done for the past forever
20:55 erisco and still I am making nothing, devoted to nothing, and no one wants me
20:55 _cheerios hey, that's life -- enjoy it!
20:57 erisco but it sucks
20:58 erisco I have nothing to try at
20:58 erisco no idea
21:06 _cheerios i have ideas but im still not making any money :D
21:06 _cheerios i guess the ideas suck bigtime!
21:07 _cheerios ppl are so asleep at this hour. i asked on fb+twitter, and 0 replies. irc is where it's at!
21:09 erisco why do you want to make a city information guide?
21:10 erisco it seems done many times
21:10 erisco and how does it generate money?
21:10 _cheerios it's not going to be a guide
21:14 erisco what is it
21:23 _cheerios visualizing feelings in cities
21:24 erisco media collections relevant to cities? I am confused
21:32 _cheerios so am i. there's no working demo yet. later this monthl
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04:33 zeeg huomenta, huomenta, huomenta!
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07:18 sth Ah! late for work
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09:07 Xylakant hey, anybody who's using the testing subsystem online?
09:08 Jarda what do you mean?
09:08 Jarda we use AgaviTestCase if that's what you mean
09:09 Xylakant yes
09:09 Xylakant I'm just integrating the build system and the testing system, ie. the build system generates stub classes for tests
09:10 Xylakant so we thought about how to lay out the filesystem structure
09:10 Xylakant I could use some feedback on that
09:10 Xylakant this is our current working draft
09:10 Xylakant http://pastie.org/608350
09:11 Jarda we have /testing/phpunit/models/FooModelTest. etc
09:11 Jarda as we also have /testing/selenium/
09:12 Jarda if the base could be given in build.properties your draft looks fine
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09:16 Xylakant base can certainly be given
09:16 Xylakant the idea is to mimic the module structure in the testing subdirectory
09:17 Jarda Xylakant: does the build system also add them to AllTests or similar.. I mean, does it create suites also?
09:17 Xylakant we've been discussing whether to keep the unit tests in one place but we preferred the way it's currently laid out - by components
09:17 Xylakant Jarda: I've been adding wildcard selectors to suits
09:18 Jarda ok
09:18 Xylakant so you can have <suite name="All"><include>.*Test.php$</include></suite>
09:18 Jarda nice
09:18 Jarda and those test-stubs don't fail unimplemented
09:18 Xylakant they'll be marked as incomplete
09:18 Xylakant so they'll show up nagging but not as fail
09:20 Xylakant another thing we've been discussing whether to mimic the module structure in the test directory. The current draft uses a structure like the new proposed module structure
09:20 Xylakant but we could also use the old structure if the module uses it
09:20 Xylakant any thoughts on that?
09:20 Xylakant what would you prefer? always the new structure or depending on the module setting?
09:21 Jarda I think I would prefer tests organized similar to the module they are testing
09:22 Xylakant so for an old-style module the tests would be in Default/action/FooActionTest.php
09:22 Xylakant and Default/view/FooSuccessViewTest.php
09:22 sth It kind of makes sense to just copy whatever structure the component you're trying testing's format.
09:23 Jarda Xylakant: yes
09:23 Xylakant the new structure has the advantage of keeping stuff together that logically belongs together though
09:23 Xylakant all test for one component in a single place
09:23 Jarda I hadn't even heard about the new structure
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09:26 Xylakant http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/668
09:26 Xylakant see the comments on a recommended structure
09:28 Jarda what does impl mean?
09:28 sth implementation
09:28 Xylakant implementation
09:28 Jarda ok
09:28 Xylakant we wanted to honor impl :)
09:30 Jarda view.name is the same as the classname?
09:32 Xylakant no
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09:33 graste huomenta
09:33 zeeg dudes, agavi vs. django, any page?
09:33 Xylakant view.name would be Success for example
09:34 saracen zeeg: http://www.diffen.com/difference/Apples_vs_Oranges
09:34 Xylakant graste: huomenta
09:34 zeeg saracen, tnx ;)
09:34 Xylakant zeeg: it would be hard to compare a php framework to a python one
09:35 graste regarding http://pastie.org/608350
09:35 graste what's a containertest supposed to do?
09:35 zeeg Xylakant, I know PHP and python both. and i just wanna start a framework. I don't know which one is better. :)
09:36 horros saracen: http://improb.com/airchives/paperair/volume1/v1i3/air-1-3-apples.html
09:36 graste and 2.: flowtest would only fit in there, if it tests a form that uses that action only, wouldn't it?
09:36 saracen Can we customise the name for "impl". I want mine to be called "saracen"
09:36 graste saracen: module.xml
09:36 Xylakant graste: a flow test is a full action execution, including routing execution and all filters
09:37 Xylakant the container test just tests the single action, you have to set up all parameters and get the response object. no global filter will be executed
09:37 saracen horros: http://www.diffen.com/difference/Brick_Wall_vs_Space_Fish
09:37 Xylakant which makes it handy for slots and the like
09:37 zeeg Xylakant, PHP is more web-friendly and in other hand, Python is simple and powerful enough and fun to code :)
09:37 Xylakant zeeg: certainly
09:37 graste k
09:37 saracen PHP is something-friendly?
09:38 Xylakant but the language also influences the way the framework is constructed
09:38 zeeg Xylakant, any suggestion?! any dark corner on one of them?
09:38 Xylakant some magic that would work in python does not work on php
09:38 Xylakant I don't know django, I'm more the ruby guy if it comes to other languages
09:38 zeeg yeah, i like python way (django)
09:39 sth It's like I've not left the UK, I have hobnobs and tea :D
09:39 Xylakant you're missing the fog and the drizzling rain
09:39 zeeg but, I worry about good implementations of new thechnologies in django. web services, ajax,...
09:40 sth We don't have fog and rain all the time
09:40 Xylakant no, that's true
09:40 Xylakant you get snow in winter, sometimes
09:40 Xylakant and when there's rain then there's no fog
09:40 sth The UK begs to differ :)
09:41 Xylakant go, beg as much as you want :)
09:41 Xylakant zeeg: I guess there's ajax support in django
09:41 sth Xylakant: Want a biscuit?
09:41 Xylakant it works just fine in agavi
09:41 Xylakant no, thanks. I'd go for an english breakfast though
09:42 Xylakant no sausages please
09:42 sth that's the best part
09:42 Xylakant those things that you call "real bavarian sausages"?
09:42 Xylakant börks
09:42 Xylakant bavaria begs to differ
09:42 Jarda Xylakant: could we replace our selenium-tests with flow-tests?
09:43 sth Bavaria can go sit on a spike.
09:43 zeeg Xylakant, tnx :)
09:43 Xylakant Jarda: selenium can test browser behavior, flow tests can
09:43 Xylakant 't
09:43 Jarda yes, that's true
09:43 sth Linconshire sausages are awesome
09:43 graste Xylakant: directory structure seems to be consistent - another question though: where would you put tests like selenium etc.?
09:43 graste bah jarda beat me
09:43 graste :>
09:43 Xylakant i'd place them together with the flow tests
09:44 sth Ask saracen, he knows.
09:44 Xylakant unless they test something that's not related to a single action
09:44 graste but for selenium you could have clickpaths through the app etc
09:44 Xylakant then probably to the root of the testing directory
09:44 Xylakant in tests/selenium
09:44 graste yes
09:45 graste tests/selenium/usecaseX or tests/usecases/selenium
09:45 Jarda our selenium-tests are like "Push new-button, check if it appears in the list"
09:45 graste or similar
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09:45 Xylakant probably
09:45 Xylakant tests/usecases seems nice to me
09:45 emilsedgh houmenta
09:45 Xylakant and I'd not use tests/usecases/selenium
09:46 Xylakant all test directories are named after what they test and not after the technology they use
09:46 Xylakant emilsedgh: huomenta
09:46 Jarda Xylakant: the thing I wanted to know about flow-tests, is that if they test the output of one execute "route" or is it more like use-case testing?
09:46 graste if you have something like BDD/TDD it would make perfectly sense to have like tests/specs/spec1/selenium or tests/usecases/case1/selenium or similar
09:47 zeeg emilsedgh, houmenta???? hey dude, it is huomenta!
09:47 Jarda what the fuck is wrong with my english
09:47 Xylakant Jarda: flow tests test the output of a single route
09:47 graste replace selenium with the test file or so
09:47 Xylakant all filters and slots included
09:48 Jarda Xylakant: yeah, so it's not like "user logs in, checks his inbox, deletes a message and checks if it is in trash" :)
09:48 Xylakant no
09:48 Jarda so that's the job selenium has to do
09:48 Xylakant it's "user submits login form with invalid credentials, assert that there's an error message on the page, the response status code is 200 OK etc.."
09:49 Xylakant anything that involves multiple actions is a selenium test
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10:53 _cheerios huomenta
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11:49 sth My iPhone refuses to connect to IRC
11:50 Jarda steve doesn't like irc
11:50 sth heh
11:50 sth both irssi and colloquy don't connect
11:50 sth It might be because I'm using the 3G connection to do it
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11:54 horros What on earth would that have to do with it?
11:54 horros the iPhone has filters for what traffic can be used with the 3G-connection? :P
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11:56 sth horros: No, I think the network does though
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12:07 sth ttp://s2.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/terminal01/2009/9/6/7/nerd-venn-diagram-9​420-1252236207-2.jpg sfw
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12:10 ttj Hmm... How can I get the error message from a validator?
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12:12 Rick prod it with a stick
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12:13 benschi huomenta
12:14 sth ttj: Get The validation manager.
12:14 ttj sth: Ok, thanks.
12:14 sth $this->getContainer()->getValidationManager()
12:14 sth from views/actions
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12:19 Xylakant sth: uh oh. cadbury is on the verge of being bought by the americans
12:20 sth NOOO
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12:28 _cheerios any admins here to chime on "noatime"? any foreseeable problems setting it on?
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12:28 MikeSeth what, the fs mount attribute?
12:28 _cheerios yes
12:29 Xylakant _cheerios: the config file caching might just not work properly
12:29 Xylakant well, mtime is being stored, isn't it?
12:29 Jarda when would agavi set http response 500
12:29 Xylakant Jarda: on any exception that's not handled by the application code
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12:30 Jarda ok, so it should be catched by our error handler
12:31 Jarda getting internal server error from production
12:31 _cheerios changed to noatime to see if it helps, as our box was being hammered by kjournald write activity
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12:31 Xylakant Jarda: well, I guess you have an exception somewhere
12:32 Xylakant that you're not catching
12:32 Xylakant however, the 500 status code could be an apache response as well
12:32 Jarda but nothing in error_logs..
12:32 Xylakant hmm
12:32 Xylakant then it's rather an exception
12:35 Xylakant the default error templates don't log errors
12:35 Xylakant you can implement a logging though
12:36 Jarda we have error-logging
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12:40 Xylakant Jarda: in your error template?
12:40 Jarda yeah
12:40 Jarda for some reason the wrong template is being called
12:40 Xylakant well, then it gets hard
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12:41 Xylakant ah, depending on the point in the bootstrap process you may get a different template
12:41 Xylakant rules are
12:41 Xylakant if there is a template for the active output type, that one is rendered
12:41 Xylakant then if there is a template for the given context, that one is called
12:42 Xylakant and if everything fails (exception before context is known etc) the default plain one should be called
12:43 Xylakant _cheerios: my old company has noatime active on the dev server and no problems related to that
12:44 Xylakant I don't know about the production servers though
12:45 _cheerios seems on newer kernels there a "relatime" which is touted as the safe "noatime"
12:46 _cheerios not that anyone found noatime dangerous.. will see in a few days
12:50 sth I really hate the blackcurrent starburst
12:52 Xylakant i'll take them
12:54 sth heh
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13:36 sth ugh. The kettle needs cleaning. I just found lime scale in my tea
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15:16 CIA-87 felix * r4281 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/vendor/):
15:16 CIA-87 Updated the bundled phpunit version to 3.4RC3
15:16 CIA-87 closes #1152
15:28 sth Tomorrow, I bring a jumper to work. It's cold
15:30 graste it's germany!
15:33 CIA-87 felix * r4282 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG tests2/AllTests.php):
15:33 CIA-87 - Updated old tests to use the bundled PHPUnit version
15:33 CIA-87 - removed the version check on PHPUnit, it won't work with svn checkouts and is redundant anyways
15:33 CIA-87 - closes #1153
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15:57 Jarda Xylakant: version-check merge to trunk? :)
15:58 Xylakant it's been so awesome weather on sunday
15:58 Xylakant been out in the mountains, a bit cold maybe but all sunny
15:58 Xylakant don't complain about german weather
15:58 sth Yesterday's weather was fine other than about being a lil' cold.
15:59 Xylakant Jarda: will do, hang on
15:59 Xylakant it's the version check that breaks the tests for you
16:03 Jarda yeah, figured it out :)
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19:00 digitarald anybody used SDO-DAS-XML?
19:00 digitarald or SDO at all?
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19:30 _cheerios never heard
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19:45 _cheerios "Psychologist: Facebook Makes You Smarter, Twitter Makes You Dumber" ahahaha
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20:52 v-dogg woot the feck
20:52 v-dogg PHP error E_RECOVERABLE_ERROR Argument 1 passed to AgaviCalendar::constructorOO() must be an instance of AgaviTimeZone, null given
21:10 _cheerios the men who stare at goats :p
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21:15 v-dogg I was running old 0.11 on a debian machine
21:15 v-dogg upgrading to latest 0.11.* revealed the problem
21:17 sth I'm so packing this jumper in my bag tomorrow
21:18 sth It's cold now :(
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21:26 _cheerios idd, wearing a hoodie lately
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21:33 sth MOAR HOODIES!
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21:58 _cheerios moar sleep
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07:36 _cheerios huomenta!
07:36 _cheerios meh, chrome doesn't support links on flickr images :< makes it kinda hard to browse
07:39 Jarda google doesn't want you to use flickr
07:39 Jarda use picasa instead
07:40 _cheerios 20% day at the office today. what can i get done in one day for demo? x_X
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07:49 sth Morning
07:50 graste huomenta
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08:25 sth Someone upset my starburst grid yesterday after I left :(
08:25 sth It's now uneven
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08:52 Xylakant yes, but it's a blackcurrant that's missing
08:54 sth But the grid was disturbed.
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09:00 Xylakant oh noes
09:00 Xylakant should I have taken more?
09:00 Xylakant like a full row?
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09:35 E_mE i wish PHP would enforce case sensitivity on programmer named functions
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10:00 Wombert ttj: moop
10:05 sth Is it normal for a replicated db to be a different size to the original?
10:05 sth Oh, wrong channel
10:05 Wombert yes
10:05 Wombert :D
10:05 Wombert sth: yes, it is
10:05 saracen looked at symfony
10:06 sth takes back the shirt
10:06 saracen Weird how different struts, symfony and agavi are
10:06 saracen In how they just handle actions
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10:10 Xylakant in what way is sf significantly different?
10:12 Wombert all actions in one class
10:13 saracen rather than execute* where * is a request method, it's executeIndex, executeAdd, executeEdit
10:13 saracen whereas structs seems to just have execute, but calls setName, setPassword based upon forms input
10:13 saracen struts*
10:14 horros http://asset.soup.io/asset/0453/8747_0991_800.png http://xkcd.com/619/ keke
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10:14 saracen haha
10:16 saracen I think agavi should enforce a new rule. For every bug reported, the reporter must draw an xkcd style comic
10:19 graste :)
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10:22 zwenni Hi. Would use a routing callback as a quick redirect solution (as mentioned in the agavi docu), but's giving me a 404...
10:23 zwenni I use it like that:
10:23 zwenni public function onMatched($parameters, $container)
10:23 zwenni {
10:23 zwenni if (isset($parameters['target']))
10:23 zwenni {
10:23 zwenni $response = $container->getResponse();
10:23 zwenni $response->setRedirect($parameters['target']);
10:23 zwenni
10:23 zwenni return $response;
10:23 zwenni }
10:23 zwenni }
10:26 Xylakant well, you need to return 'true' in case the target is not set
10:26 Xylakant otherwise the route counts as not matched
10:27 Xylakant but in any case, this is a royally dangerous thing you're doing there
10:27 Xylakant hey, mtv is promoting this donation fund
10:27 saracen donation fund?
10:28 Xylakant http://www.mtv.de?target=my-private-paypal-account.de
10:28 saracen oh.
10:28 Xylakant you really really need to put a tight check on that target parameter
10:30 zwenni Then you guys need to update your documentation: AgaviRoutingCallback::onMatched()
10:30 zwenni This method is called when the regular expression of the route matched. It may inspect and modify any of the parameters extracted from the route or add new parameters. If this method returns false, the route counts as not matched and all parameters modified will be reset. The callback may modify the execution container as well. If the callback returns a response object the resulting response is sent immediatly without any action execution. This behavior can be us
10:30 zwenni quick redirects.
10:30 graste ^^
10:30 zwenni If the callback returns a response object the resulting response is sent immediatly without any action execution.
10:30 Xylakant it is
10:30 zwenni And that's not the case.
10:30 Xylakant wrong
10:31 Xylakant it is
10:31 graste OTOH redirecting is supposed to be done in views as it is output type dependent
10:31 Xylakant the docs you're reading are for 1.0
10:31 Xylakant graste: not in all cases
10:31 graste obviously
10:31 graste like in this one
10:31 graste ^^
10:32 Xylakant if you just don't want to handle an url
10:32 Xylakant it's like placing a redirect apache directive
10:32 Xylakant it's handled before any app logic
10:32 Xylakant anyways zwenni I assume you're still stuck with 0.11
10:32 Xylakant that feature might not work there
10:33 Xylakant still you're not returning anything in case the target parameter is not set
10:33 Xylakant you need to return a boolean
10:33 zwenni well, you're right. Always forget it's still 0.11. Sorry, man.
10:33 graste :>
10:34 graste case solved, mr. watson
10:36 Wombert there *are* cases when such a redirect makes sense
10:36 Wombert e.g. when redirecting to the canonical representation of a url
10:37 Xylakant zwenni: I'm sorry you can't use that. You might consider updating, 0.11 has reached it's end of life time a while ago
10:37 Wombert yuo
10:37 Wombert yup
10:37 Wombert not maintained anymore
10:37 Xylakant there won't be any fixes any more
10:38 graste would redirecting via callback work output type independent or are there things to keep in mind?
10:38 zwenni Xylakant: Yes I know, we're preparing a huge update, hopefully at the end of the week.
10:38 Xylakant don't break my app
10:38 Xylakant ;)
10:39 Wombert zwenni: need any help? :p
10:39 zwenni I would never even think about that ;-)
10:39 Xylakant graste: the final output type may or may not be known at that moment
10:39 Wombert graste: that depends... at that moment, it's just a URL
10:40 Wombert if you have a .xml etc suffix then things of course will be more complicated
10:40 zwenni Wombert: the blue pill... ;-)
10:41 graste :)
10:41 Xylakant anyways, lunch
10:41 graste hf
10:42 Xylakant i will
10:44 sth mmm lunch.
10:52 Wombert mmm
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11:45 benschi huomenta
11:46 MikeSeth huomenta
11:50 sth Lunch was not very on nom nom
11:51 Wombert no
11:52 MikeSeth mine was delicious
11:52 MikeSeth :P
11:53 horros Mine wasn't :(
11:53 sth horros can join the "I wish the turkish place was open again" club :)
11:54 horros I had some hairyarm falafel the other day. It was delicious!
11:57 benschi I haven't had lunch yet :/
11:58 benschi hope my girlfriends gonna cook something nice
12:04 Xylakant hear hear
12:05 Xylakant in which cave did you live when emancipation rolled over the world? nowadays it's your job to feed her.
12:07 saracen feed her your sausage
12:16 Wombert oh dear
12:16 MikeSeth turks are going to fuck up your place
12:16 MikeSeth gg
12:17 MikeSeth Xylakant: also 5pts for emancipation :P
12:17 Wombert <feminist>well maybe your attitude towards women is the reason why you have no girlfriends (or just boats)</feminist>
12:21 Xylakant 10 reasons why beer is better than women
12:21 Xylakant 1) you can share a beer with friends...
12:21 Xylakant I'll spare you the rest
12:25 saracen Wombert: You said boats, so now I'm wondering if that comment was to me =(
12:25 saracen was it?
12:28 benschi Xylakant: no my job is to earn the money, hers to cook :)
12:29 benschi especially since she is a vegetarian and I'm not.
12:29 benschi if I would cook, the meal would be something something + meat :)
12:30 saracen your sausage.
12:33 Xylakant benschi: isn't it "meat + something"?
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12:38 Wombert saracen: of course not
12:40 saracen I can never tell when you're being sarcastic =
12:40 saracen (
12:41 saracen Anyway, I have a problem which isn't agavis fault.
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12:41 saracen ie6 + absolute positioned div + form elements underneath it = the form elements above _everything_, regeardless of zindexs being set
12:41 saracen Any ideas?
12:41 sth Sure, don't use IE6
12:42 saracen Hi. I'm a developer.
12:42 saracen I don't use IE6
12:42 saracen sth: Do you think the peterborough city council still use IE6?
12:42 sth Sure, don't develop for IE6
12:42 sth saracen: Probably
12:42 saracen Exactly =(
12:45 sth saracen: http://www.soxiam.com/Code/UsingIframeShimToCoverOverFormSelectBoxes
12:46 sth oh dead url :/
12:46 saracen i aint using no iframe
12:47 sth Anyway, that's the "only" way
12:47 saracen not if I have anything to do with it
12:47 saracen which i dont
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12:47 saracen I'll just disable javascript for ie6, then they'll get ordinary forms on separate pages
12:48 sth Fail :)
12:48 sth Mind you, PCC might be on XP by now
12:48 sth With IE7/8
12:48 sth I doubt it though
12:49 saracen Awful waste if not, didnt all the new computers they get have windows xp ID stickers on?
12:49 sth Probably
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12:55 E_mE C64 emulator for the iphone :) http://toucharcade.com/2009/09/05/c64-emulator-approved-by-apple-and-now-availab​le/
12:56 _cheerios is there a guide to postgres for basics? like setting up a new user, database etc.
12:57 benschi Xylakant: but just potatos aren't that tasty without anything else
12:57 E_mE _cheerios: hehe... tell me about it :P
12:58 E_mE _cheerios: i can recommend you a book if you like
12:58 Xylakant benschi: no? roastet potatoes with a bit of curry and coriander, some onions, make it spicy and hot
12:58 Xylakant serve with a sauce of yoghurt, olive oil, lemon and garlic
12:58 benschi thats actually a good idea
12:58 _cheerios E_mE, i prefer html online
12:58 Xylakant use olive oil
12:59 Xylakant for the potatoes
12:59 benschi sure!
12:59 Xylakant and add a bit of butter later
13:00 Xylakant it's perfectly vegetarian-safe (though not vegan), quick, cheap and very very tasty
13:00 benschi roasted potatoes also taste well with a bit of paprika
13:00 E_mE _cheerios: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/
13:00 sth You want gravy with roast potatoes :)
13:01 benschi sth: no really
13:02 sth I'm English, roast potatoes belong in a sunday roast
13:02 benschi don't english also drink warmish beer...
13:03 benschi but I guess its just a matter of taste
13:04 E_mE mmmmmmm bitter!
13:05 sth mmm
13:10 ttj I'm creating a forward container in a view; is it possible to trick the action that I'm forwarding to to run executeRead() as opposed to executeWrite()?
13:11 v-dogg yup
13:11 v-dogg you can pass the method to the container
13:11 v-dogg but you have to ask someone else how :)
13:11 v-dogg (or look at the parameter names in Teh Code)
13:11 ttj Ah! How stupid of me. :O
13:12 ttj Yeah, thanks, already digged it up. :)
13:29 Wombert last argument
13:31 saracen bah
13:31 v-dogg hai Wombs
13:31 v-dogg _o/
13:31 v-dogg how's it going? good to see you're back here :)
13:41 Jarda Don't worry, it's been engineered by a German, it won't let you down.
13:41 sth Jarda: No, it'll just try to invade Poland once in a while.
13:42 Jarda sth: that's from the cookbook
13:42 Jarda I'm trying to figure out lighttpd rewrite..
13:42 sth Mines from the big book of English stereotypes.
13:42 Jarda it's ugly, I can tell..
13:47 Wombert _o/
13:47 Wombert Jarda: lookahead assertion checks if there is a question mark or not
13:47 Wombert and then a backreference I think
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15:04 _cheerios function postgis_lib_version() does not exist // why do things have to be so hard :<
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15:27 _cheerios ah, skipping postgis installation instructions seemed to be the problem *yawn*
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15:40 _cheerios how do you run a webserver with postgres users with this ident auth?
15:42 MikeSeth _cheerios: create a postgresql user with the same name as the system webserver account
15:43 MikeSeth postgres ident system is retarded
15:43 _cheerios i was likely going to do that but asked in expectation of being called an idiot for doing just that :)
15:44 _cheerios just wanna play with some gis... that was the indent a few hours ago... :)
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16:59 _cheerios 5mins till food \o/
17:00 Wombert mmmh
17:00 Wombert must head home
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20:02 _cheerios jee.
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20:03 _cheerios a photo of one of the death sentenced norwegians wiping blood has to be one of the most fucked-up images i've seen in a while: http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1135249172748.jpeg
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20:05 erisco it is time again for the DWITE contest and I need a team name
20:05 erisco last year we ran as the 3.14thongs
20:05 erisco er, 3.14thons
20:06 erisco Holy Igneous Wax Munching Earwigs is an option
20:06 erisco Freakin' Sexy Explosives was a cool one but I doubt the school would bank for it
20:08 erisco oh oh, Harebrained Rapidity is great
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20:09 erisco that is exactly like what each contest feels like
20:09 erisco no time for testing, no time for thinking thoroughly
20:09 erisco quickest rapid solution and GO
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20:25 erisco benschi!!
20:25 benschi moin moin erisco
20:26 erisco all I know is some French, so are you saying "less less erisco"?
20:26 erisco that would be a bit insulting :(
20:27 benschi Moin Moin in northern german and meas "Hello"
20:27 erisco anywho, I pushed out the technical specification although I think I accidentally referred to it as the functional spec
20:27 erisco excuse that mixup
20:27 erisco already there are some changes to be made, I am jotting them down as I go
20:27 benschi I must say I've seen the mail but ignored it totally until now.
20:28 benschi today was my first day off
20:28 erisco I decided to implement the documented actions, views, validation, and templates to discover the needed model interface
20:28 erisco which then we need to document as well
20:28 benschi you should really doc it in the wiki
20:29 erisco I'll doc it by PDF and email it around. If someone wants to add it to the wiki, that's cool too
20:29 benschi this would be less effort to keep it updated
20:29 erisco I am the only one doing anything
20:29 benschi currently yes
20:29 benschi sorry for that
20:29 erisco it's fine, I understand, we're busy
20:30 benschi I reworked some of my code for the mailing stuff today but its not finished
20:30 erisco I am just very devoted and I really want to spend as much time as I can working on a project like this
20:30 erisco which has proved very problematic given the pace of everyone else
20:31 benschi Okay lets make a deal. I'll read the spec U send around tomorrow after i read it what should I do?
20:31 erisco anyhow, perhaps I will adopt the wiki concept but right now its too convenient to just have a text editor beside my IDE
20:31 benschi create trac tickets maybe?
20:32 erisco the spec is largely for David and Felix, both of whom have not yet replied to me
20:32 erisco for quite some time now, so I presume they have been quite busy lately
20:32 benschi Ow if you use eclipse you can edit the wikipages form within eclipse vim XMLRPC
20:32 benschi you mean bitxtender?
20:32 erisco if things settle with them, as they are the best-practice checkers, we can move ahead with the implementation
20:32 erisco yes, David and Felix both work at Bitextender
20:32 benschi I'll be in Munich at the 30th of this month
20:33 erisco sweet
20:33 benschi going to the october fest with them
20:33 erisco I kind of know where Munich is now that I am taking a World Issues class
20:33 erisco I have to plot all 192 countries tonight... and if Geography wasn't something I had no interest in I wouldn't complain
20:33 benschi which I wanted to visit for ages, but never really found the time nor the people to go there
20:34 erisco hope its fun
20:34 erisco are any of the bitextender peeps going to be there?
20:35 erisco anyhow, yes, a logical thing would be to transform the specifications into wiki documentation if that is how you'd prefer it
20:35 erisco and tickets
20:36 erisco and if you have better luck with putting the application all into your mind at once and deciding on what models are needed and what they need to do individually, that is needed
20:37 erisco otherwise my plan is to begin implementation of the actions views and templates and leave representation code for loading models and calling something on them that seems logical
20:37 erisco then we should be able to collect those representative bits, see what is common amongst them, and devise our models
20:38 erisco in other news, benschi, I registered a team for the school in a programming competition... our team name is Harebrained Rapidity
20:39 erisco and let me explain the reasoning, as I always have reasoning...
20:39 erisco "Our new name comes from our past experience with these competitions which we can sum up as: little time for testing, no time for thinking throughly and the quickest solution, taking no regard to best practice, wins. GO!"
20:41 erisco but, they have been enjoyable still if not frustrating at times
20:41 erisco plus they are good application items... so
20:41 benschi hehe
20:41 benschi I had to take place in such a style programming contest as well
20:42 benschi okay you have two hours time to make a programm which does this and that
20:42 benschi go
20:42 erisco it definitely pries at the problem solving portion of programming but certainly does not exercise the whole deal
20:42 erisco yeah, that is exactly how it is
20:43 erisco some problems we get are highly mathematical to
20:43 erisco too
20:43 benschi The program was fairly easy, but we were also rated on coding style and techniques used to archive the goal
20:43 erisco interesting. see, in all our competitions, the code you use is irrelevant
20:43 benschi also we had to write the unit test first
20:44 erisco unit testing? lmao, as if :P
20:44 benschi imao? w00t
20:44 erisco the DWITE competition, which is just informal, is five problems in 3 hours
20:45 erisco and faster solutions gain more points. the first 2 problems are generally really easy, the third one medium-grade, and the 4th and 5th difficult
20:45 erisco all the top teams score perfect outputs and so it is just a rush for time
20:45 erisco so figure 36 minutes tops for each question... its quite brutal
20:46 erisco the first two can be rattled off in the first 15-30
20:46 erisco the 4th and 5th can easily take 45 minutes
20:47 erisco we had maybe one round where we were not crammed for time
20:47 erisco because every time either the 4th or 5th would demand that bit extra that took so much time to resolve
20:48 erisco minds quickly shut down under the pressure too... and it is very easy to realize the effect
20:48 erisco so, yeah, Harebrained Rapidity just summed it up for me
20:48 erisco and to boot I never thought of it, a team name generator did
20:48 erisco :)
20:49 erisco I wish I was one of those brilliant people who twist together some wildly clever C/C++ code
20:49 erisco last year I stumbled around in Python, hardly having used it before, heh
20:50 erisco this year if I do not become more familiar with Python by competition time I will just resort to PHP
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20:51 erisco anyways, I have school stuff to do benschi
20:51 erisco which is quite unfortunate but, ah well
20:51 erisco see ya later
20:53 benschi see ya
20:53 benschi i'll be around for a couple of hours
20:53 erisco ugh, that is the other problem
20:53 erisco I am gone during the entirety of your guy's daylight
20:54 erisco guys' I guess... trying to mind the grammar ;)
20:54 erisco anywho, I'll probably be catching you some other time benschi as I doubt I will be done in two hours
20:54 erisco see ya
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08:12 _cheerios huomenta
08:12 _cheerios twitter down, what do i do now at work when i can't tweet?!
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10:11 _cheerios " left the office knowing that I had some paperwork to put together. My life was still over. Who would have thought it? Your life falls apart and you're supposed to go fill out a bunch of forms. Now that I'm 40 this all makes total sense." lol
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11:49 shrink0r hey guys
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11:51 shrink0r where would a nice place be, to regenerate the session id after a user has logged in, in order to prevent session fixation?
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12:10 luke` shrink0r: do it in the model during the authentication
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14:26 WasabiCat huomenta
14:26 WasabiCat are the optional parameters of AgaviSessionStorage (in particular session_id - [] - Static session ID value to set.) available to subclasses of AgaviSessionStorage (in particular AgaviPDOSessionStorage) ?
14:27 sth I'd imagine so
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14:44 MikeSeth mmmmmmmmm Agavi is so awesome
14:47 simoncpu i wish we had hot babes in the community... :(
14:48 sth A start would be having girls in the community
14:49 simoncpu MikeSeth: i urge thee to evangelize the women of this world
14:49 simoncpu and bring them to agavi
14:49 MikeSeth you can always troll Sarah
14:49 MikeSeth she'd sure appreciate Agavi :P
14:49 simoncpu sarah?
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15:04 MikeSeth simoncpu: Sarah Gollemon
15:07 CIA-87 felix * r4283 /branches/felix-buildsystem-method-support/src/build/ (5 files in 5 dirs):
15:07 CIA-87 - generation of model testcases now works
15:07 CIA-87 - stub model testcases are generated when a new model is generated
15:12 v-dogg WasabiCat: yes, they are all pushed into $this->parameters in initialize
15:13 v-dogg like pretty much all parameters so they aren't really specific to any class/implementation
15:13 WasabiCat great thanks v-dogg
15:13 v-dogg what ever you put in <ae:parameters> is passed to the class and you can access it using $this->getParameter
15:13 saracen YAWN
15:15 CIA-87 felix * r4284 /branches/felix-buildsystem-method-support/src/build/templates/code/actions/Hand​leRequestMethod.tmpl: removed trailing '^' character
15:16 MikeSeth ooooooh
15:16 MikeSeth Xylakant: when's that gonna get merged to 1.0?
15:16 MikeSeth do want
15:17 Xylakant MikeSeth: short answer: never
15:17 Xylakant it goes into 1.1
15:17 MikeSeth Xylakant: I'm good :P
15:17 Xylakant however, we can only generate test stubs
15:18 Xylakant so currently we use the information about the attributes to generate tests for the getters and setters
15:18 Xylakant but well, that's better than nothing
15:20 WasabiCat is there a way to hand agavi a (static) session id from the command line so that agavi can associate subsequent console requests with a user session?
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15:26 Xylakant hmm
15:26 Xylakant php would expect the session is in a get parameter or a cookie
15:26 MikeSeth WasabiCat: you could if you wanted to, but for console applications I use a special instance of AgaviSecurityUser object and null storage driver
15:27 Xylakant that's before agavi ever get to handle it
15:27 Xylakant however the agavi session storage accepts a session_id parameter
15:27 MikeSeth (under presumption that whoever invokes the console commands is a privileged administrator)
15:27 MikeSeth Xylakant: you could inject it with an ugly hack
15:28 WasabiCat Xylakant: right that let's me supply a static session id, which I'd still have to supply with each console requst
15:28 MikeSeth but I don't see what's the point, you'd have to manually paste the session ID every time
15:28 Xylakant you could set it in the factories.xml for a given env
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15:28 MikeSeth WasabiCat: you dont NEED a session or a session ID for console invocation
15:28 WasabiCat but I want to call secure actions
15:29 MikeSeth WasabiCat: that's why you create a special user
15:29 WasabiCat MikeSeth: can you tell me more about that?
15:29 MikeSeth WasabiCat: look in factories.xml, <user ....>
15:29 MikeSeth WasabiCat: you override it for context="console" with another class eg MyApplicationConsoleUser
15:29 WasabiCat ok
15:30 MikeSeth in that class you have e.g function getAuthenticated() { return true; }
15:30 WasabiCat ah
15:30 WasabiCat ok
15:30 MikeSeth and fill hasCredentials() with whatever security args the console user can rely on
15:30 MikeSeth WasabiCat: so whenever you use the console you are automagically logged in as that special user
15:30 WasabiCat so that user is always authenticated, get it
15:30 WasabiCat awesome, thanks MikeSeth
15:31 MikeSeth WasabiCat: don't thank me I didn't come up with it :P
15:31 MikeSeth WasabiCat: oh yes, if you do that you also need to override the storage with the null storage driver
15:32 WasabiCat ok cool
15:32 MikeSeth WasabiCat: otherwise it'll attempt to write cookies/http response headers when it initializes the session
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15:53 kassens hi guys
15:53 kassens is there a (unit) testing framework you suggest for agavi?
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15:54 sth Phpunit :)
15:54 E_mE ;)
15:54 kassens thanks
15:55 fnordfish anyone ever build an xml-renderer? could be some handy to generate an xml using solts, and each slot returns a DOMDocumentFragment
15:56 fnordfish or even better a DOMNode
15:56 MikeSeth fnordfish: uh you could
15:57 MikeSeth I suspect it's a sickening ordeal tho
15:57 fnordfish yea, i cold but i'm to lazy to do
15:57 MikeSeth fnordfish: what do you need, render API responses?
15:58 MikeSeth uses a custom XMLWriter class: $xw->push('response', array('type' => 'error'))->element('message', 'My error message')
15:58 MikeSeth <response type="error"><message>My error message</message></response>
15:59 fnordfish right, i have a working html-solted site, and i have to build a xml representation for an external system
16:00 fnordfish so, the content is quite dynamic... i could have each slot to return an xml-string and just print all that stuff; but thats quite lame
16:07 sth yay, altering the agavi guide!
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16:21 fnordfish k, just figured, that i do not really need an own renderer
16:22 fnordfish i will just return a dom node in my slots, the master slot will execute each and fetches their content to build the complete xml-doc
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16:31 simoncpu sth: hail to thee, o guide of agavi
16:31 simoncpu i await thee for your arrival!
16:31 simoncpu hail, agavi! hail!
16:32 simoncpu guide of agavi, you are the light that shines brightly on all shadow of doubt
16:33 simoncpu your light is knowledge for our soul
16:33 simoncpu seriously awaits for docs =)
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16:54 sth simoncpu: It's the same guide that's on the site, just updated and so it makes sense :)
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16:58 simoncpu sth: btw, what happened to the cookbook?
16:58 simoncpu i miss the cookbook
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17:12 sth Cookbook?
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17:15 saracen sth: Agavi used to have a cookbook
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17:15 saracen They sometimes I wish was still about too =(
17:18 sth What did the cookbook provide?
17:20 saracen recipes for success
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17:34 E_mE_ moosk
17:34 sth woosh?
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20:13 Rayne i read somewhere about changing the app structure but have not found the website again. do you guys know where that information is located?
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20:42 graste like this: http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#general_99 ?
20:47 Rayne no direct, but it links to http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/668 which i remembered (but not in den ticket system, i am getting older ;-))
20:47 Rayne thank you very much graste :)
20:47 graste no worries
20:47 graste :)
20:51 saracen symfony having all "actions" in one file does seem to make more sense for php =(
20:52 graste doesn't think so
20:52 saracen When you first picked up agavi, you didnt think it was odd the way its layed out?
20:54 sth Not really
20:54 sth But I'm like David, everything must be hyper organised
20:55 graste no, because I did work with other frameworks before (struts, rails. symfony) and after a few days with agavi I just started wondering why all those other frameworks out there don't have MVC like that with output types =)
20:55 graste I do like the impl layout from the ticket 688 better than the default layout though
20:55 sth Although, I do like the new fs style for agavi
20:56 graste it's just easier to see certain things like what template/views are there for this part of the app etc
20:56 graste with the old default layout it was much clicking around in directories
20:56 graste ^^
20:56 sth yeah
20:56 saracen But with methods like: executeIndex() in symfony, I'd have probably gotten used to that a lot quicker if I'd gone to symfony before agavi. as when I first went to agavi it was that that first threw me
20:56 graste like: is there a caching file etc
20:56 saracen I've never used another framework
20:57 saracen But with that method, you'd still get to use different output types
20:57 saracen Is there an argument between what is more efficient at all? Because I still think the separation is fine
20:57 saracen Just means i'd actually have less files to deal with ;)
20:57 graste dunno tbh
20:58 graste I just had the feeling with sf, that those actions are not that organized if you have more than say 2 or 3 action methods in that action file
20:58 graste had to scroll around and stuff
20:59 saracen Yeah, I mean, I havent used it at all. But having to keep searching through directories to find the files is a pain also
20:59 graste whileas with agavi I just open the file, think to myself: "ah, k", go on to view, etc
20:59 saracen I'd love it if there was an IDE plugin which let you click on an action name, and it'd auto open as tabs the whole chain for that action
20:59 saracen So that I could code for an action at a time
20:59 graste yes, that's where the impl layout works much better
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20:59 saracen Are you sure it was ticket 688? :)
20:59 saracen I'd like to have a look at the proposal
20:59 graste netbeans plugin, anyone? ^^
20:59 graste 668
20:59 saracen :D
21:00 saracen Other thing is, I use komodo, and it's directory tree fucking lags horribly.
21:00 saracen even on decent specced machines =(
21:00 saracen Eclipse php's thing fucked me over too many times =(
21:00 saracen maybe I should try netbeans :)
21:01 graste yeah, whne I tried komodo on windows 2 years ago, I really liked it
21:01 graste but speed wasn't decent
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21:01 graste and editors that are slow are just don't worth it usually
21:01 graste with big files it was just horrible ;)
21:04 saracen Admin_Teams_Colleagues_AddAction
21:04 saracen I also want namespaces :D
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21:05 saracen this structure does look so much better
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21:39 E_mE saracen: emacs or TextMate ;)
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05:47 Peyman huomenta agavi :)
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06:50 MikeSeth huomenta
07:10 Whisller morning
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07:26 sth Morning
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07:57 graste huomenta
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08:38 sth Busy here today
08:38 sth I'm the only one here
08:39 benschi houmenta
08:39 sth Hey
08:40 benschi sth: really that busy? Well I guess you have to get things done, so we can chill on ze octoberfest @30th
08:41 benschi and not sitting there with a Maß hacking code
08:41 sth I was joking
08:41 benschi thought so
08:41 sth The work day is meant to start at 9:30, it's now 10:41 and no one is here
08:41 benschi I still remember your words "Dominik is sleeping on the couch ..."
08:43 benschi jesus, I hate it when the ssh session breaks down shortly before you want to type a command
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08:46 sth Morning
08:46 sth Xylakant: Where is everyone?
08:48 Jarda Xylakant: trunk phpunit ping
08:49 Xylakant Jarda: what?
08:49 Jarda did you already merge the version-check thing from 1.0?
08:49 Xylakant no
08:49 Xylakant david will do that
08:49 Jarda ok
08:50 Xylakant he does the merges periodically and I'd introduce chaos if I'd merge a single rev
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09:02 v-dogg do it anyway. just for laughs and giggles :)
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09:19 benschi Xylakant: do you have a minute?
09:20 benschi With what would I start when I want to write a unit test?
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09:23 sth It feels like I'm in work on a saturday
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09:33 Xylakant benschi: no, not today
09:33 benschi alright
09:34 benschi I'll try to figure out as much as i can
09:43 MikeSeth benschi: spawn a test class, fill it with tests, run it
09:44 benschi I was wondering where I should place this file
09:45 MikeSeth whereever its convenient for you to store tests
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09:45 MikeSeth can go to eg dev/tests
09:45 v-dogg we have our tests in projectroot/testing/phpunit/
09:45 v-dogg and ../selenium/
09:45 v-dogg organized into subfolders based on where the actual code is in app/
09:45 v-dogg (or close, anyway)
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09:58 benschi I see thanks for the info. I thought there was some predefined folder structure where to put tests
09:59 andreea Huomenta :)
10:02 andreea I have a slot defined into output_types.xml for the master template. So it's a slot that must appear into all the pages from the site. The problem is that after a submit a form, the slot is not loaded anymore. Thanks
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10:11 _cheerios huomenta
10:14 MikeSeth andreea: can't happen. Are you sure the view that renders the form after submission doesn't load another layout?
10:17 sth Xylakant: we should link to the Agavi FAQ page from the guide or just add it to the guide.
10:18 MikeSeth also, isn't the action method (e.g. write) by default propagated to slots unless otherwise specified?
10:19 MikeSeth andreea: you probably want to explicitly specify method="read" in your slot definition
10:28 andreea i don't know. i will check. thank u very much
10:29 MikeSeth my pleasure, as long as I'm not wrong :P
10:29 andreea :)
10:31 Xylakant sth: link to the page
10:39 sth Xylakant: I'm a little confused as to what the guide is meant to be, is the start of the fully fledged documentation or just a guide on how to make a demo project?
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12:05 andreea MikeSeth: it turned out to be a validation issue ... Sorry for bothering u and thank you again :)
12:10 MikeSeth haha, happens
12:13 sth It's always validators :)
12:13 _cheerios http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/090909/odds/odd_us_safrica_pigeon
12:14 MikeSeth heh I am going to show that to my mate who's upstream for many african ISPs
12:14 MikeSeth theyre tearing their hair out with the idiocy of african networks
12:14 sth http://mashable.com/2009/09/10/carrier-pigeons-adsl/
12:14 v-dogg :D
12:15 sth :)
12:15 sth Both are funny :)
12:15 sth I can't believe there's a protocol for it
12:15 sth IPoAC
12:16 v-dogg the protocol is old news. someone actually using it - if only as a joke - is hilarious
12:20 Jarda benschi: the upcoming build system will support automatic test adding
12:20 benschi I see, thanks for the info
12:20 Jarda like agavi action-wizard will create a test stub for the action
12:20 Jarda etc
12:20 benschi neat
12:21 benschi is the build system still far far away, far away or around the corner?
12:21 Jarda I don't know
12:22 v-dogg 1.1 if I remember correctly
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12:23 benschi alright
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12:34 johnutzm huomenta!
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12:34 johnutzm I have a problem populating an edit form
12:35 sth Such as?
12:35 johnutzm when i add validation, it is cleared
12:36 johnutzm seems it calls the error view
12:36 sth Your validators are broken
12:36 Jarda do you have <validators> instead of <validators method="write">
12:37 sth One of them is failing
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12:38 johnutzm yes, i have
12:38 johnutzm thanks
12:43 johnutzm and for the id parameter from GET, I shoud put it inside a <validators method="read"> ?
12:44 v-dogg yes, if the method is actually GET
12:44 v-dogg i.e. if you POST to /foo?bar=buu you need write validators for 'bar'
12:45 benschi and if the parameter id has to be set always (read, write) then put it in <validators>
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15:05 E_mE Bittarman: not normal to see you round these parts :P
15:05 Bittarman E_mE: I popped in to idle and see if someone comes in
15:05 CIA-87 simon * r4285 /documentation/branches/simon-topics/: Start of documenation guide cleanup
15:05 Bittarman he mentioned that he uses agavi, so I thought I'd see if he turns up
15:06 E_mE attempting to convert him to Zend :P
15:06 Bittarman don't worry, I'm not here to troll and wave a ZF banner
15:06 E_mE hhehe
15:06 Bittarman no.. he's writing a book about Zend Framework, he needs no converting ;)
15:06 E_mE you'd loss anyhow :P
15:06 MikeSeth lol ZF
15:07 sth I stopped using ZF when I started working at Bitextender
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15:11 CIA-87 simon * r4286 /documentation/branches/simon-topics/tutorial/ (6 files): Introduction chapter proof (nearly finished)
15:11 saracen I stopped using ZF when I heard it was the nazis framework of choice
15:12 MikeSeth sth: wait, did you get hired permanently?
15:12 MikeSeth weee
15:12 sth yeah
15:13 saracen with your skills? ;o
15:13 sth :(
15:13 saracen that reminds me, I still havent tried on my shirt
15:13 sth My skills > yours
15:14 MikeSeth hahahaha
15:15 saracen my shirt fits
15:15 saracen sort of
15:15 sth They're meant to be slim fit shirts
15:15 saracen yeah
15:15 saracen I feel like I'm wearing a superhero costume
15:16 sth Yeah, you get used to it
15:17 sth when I started, Wombert said a large would fit me and I haven't the heart to tell him it didn't fit and I've been wearing an XL since forever
15:19 MikeSeth ahahaha
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15:20 saracen 16:13:00 < sth> My skills > yours
15:20 saracen and this is of course lies
15:20 sth saracen: If that was the case, you'd be sitting at the desk next to mine :P
15:21 saracen haha
15:21 saracen I'd never go to germany. I have a fear of the world
15:21 sth pft
15:22 sth The krauts aren't too bad
15:23 sth They've not once tried to eat me. <it crowd reference>
15:24 saracen haha, do you know if the guys at bitextender have seen the it crowd?
15:25 sth kaos has
15:25 sth I'm sure David has, there's not a nerdy thing on this planet he's not seen
15:26 saracen I still think you should have an IRC bot and a cassette tape to answer the phone. But rather than "Have you tried turning it on and off again?", it should be "Have you tried clearing the cache?"
15:27 sth No, a better one would be: "Have you checked the validators?"
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15:28 saracen I watched the one where they went to the theater the otherday. One of the best things in the world
15:30 graste http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/09/10/0318203/Pigeon-Turns-Out-to-be-Faster-Th​an-S-African-Net
15:30 CIA-87 simon * r4287 /documentation/branches/simon-topics/tutorial/ (a-word-about-actions.dita introduction-agavi.dita): Introduction chapter complete
15:30 graste ^^
15:30 sth saracen: That is by far the best episode
15:30 saracen aye
15:30 sth followed by the homeless/jacket episode
15:30 sth Or maybe by "The internet"
15:30 saracen haha
15:31 sth I hope it comes back for another series
15:31 saracen Ditto =(
15:33 saracen http://idle.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1363499&cid=29377081
15:33 saracen theres a mum joke that isnt half bad on slashdot ;o
15:34 sth haha
15:35 sth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2esYwKxiU
15:35 saracen yeah
15:36 saracen this bit is amazing
15:36 saracen "im disabled!"
15:37 sth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4gA5_m4neU
15:39 saracen ah, actually laughing out loud
15:39 saracen The timing is amazing, turning round to see Moss there
15:40 sth It's comedic gol
15:40 sth d
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15:49 Jarda I could work for bitextender if they were in !germany
15:50 simoncpu do you guys know how to bookmark a youtube link within youtube?
15:51 simoncpu my current unix workstation doesn't have flash
15:52 simoncpu aha, playlists!
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16:39 CIA-87 simon * r4288 /documentation/branches/simon-topics/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Start of setting up... chapter
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16:46 saracen halps
16:46 saracen I need keywords for what I want to do
16:46 saracen I know its a common problem
16:46 saracen I have pagination. I post a comment, now I need to redirect that user back to the correct page the comment will be on, via some sort of permalink
16:47 saracen Whats the most efficient way of searching the database for such? Any keywords I can use in google? :)
16:50 Jarda SELECT COUNT(*) / <rows per page> FROM comment WHERE foo..
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18:30 luke` huomenta
18:31 luke` anybody still awake here?
18:32 graste I think, timezones are working for us
18:33 luke` lol
18:33 shrink0r btw, luke thx for the tipp the other day
18:33 shrink0r ^^
18:33 shrink0r was kinda in a hazzle and forgot to reply
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18:34 luke` How do I prevent the validation from kicking in before executeRead? I am creating a search page which uses GET. So I have a executeRead() that checks whether the parameter is set. If not, shows the input view otherwise performs the search
18:35 graste why _would_ you want to disabled validation
18:35 luke` now the validation is kicking in prematurely and causing the parameter to never appear in the acction
18:35 luke` i dont want to disable validation
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18:35 luke` shrink0r: you are welcome
18:35 graste that's correct behaviour as you shouldn't use unvalidated params in your action
18:36 luke` let me rephrase my problem
18:36 graste :>
18:36 graste k
18:36 graste :>
18:36 Jarda luke`: <validator class="foo" required="false">
18:36 Jarda if ($rd->hasParameter..
18:37 luke` Jarda: my validate xml looks like http://pastebin.com/d730c6742
18:37 Jarda what are you checking for existance?
18:39 luke` Jarda: action looks like http://pastebin.com/d6a3b5f11
18:40 Jarda and what is your problem?
18:40 luke` :)
18:40 shrink0r shouldn't required=false solve the problem?
18:40 luke` when the page is initial loaded, I want to display the input view. On submit(GET) i want to run executeRead
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18:41 graste set the default view to 'Input'
18:41 Jarda luke`: $rd->getParameter('companyName'))==null one ')' too much
18:42 luke` Jarda: i just typed it into pastebin. :)
18:42 Jarda but I think your or-validator will evaluate as failed and you will get the error-view..
18:42 Jarda so if your or-validator isn't needed, put it as required="false"
18:42 luke` yeah... that's what's happening
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18:43 Jarda because it's clearly not required..
18:45 graste but either companyname or lastname is required - so perhaps adding a <error>either one is required</error> to the or-validator would be nice
18:46 graste and settings the default view to 'Input' as well as the default view when validation fails
18:46 luke` Jarda graste shrink0r: I maybe thinking about this incorrectly. Let me try something and come back
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18:51 graste @luke`: maybe this helps: http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#general_18 and http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_1
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18:51 graste just as an inspiration
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18:51 luke` graste: thanks.
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19:01 _cheerios jee
19:01 saracen joo
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19:03 _cheerios went for a beer earlier, now i need a coffee
19:05 graste went for coffee after coffee all day long; need alcohol now =)
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19:20 _cheerios i saw the biggest breats today. like. i have a big head, but these things were even bigger
19:20 _cheerios she worked for eff, cool points for that
19:20 saracen wait what
19:20 saracen Did I read that right?
19:21 sth yup
19:21 saracen You just compared breats to the size of your head?
19:21 graste =)
19:21 saracen breasts*
19:21 saracen lol
19:21 sth That's how shocked saracen is, he misspelled "breasts".
19:22 saracen =(
19:22 _cheerios ahh, right :D
19:23 saracen "And what size is your wifes breasts?" "Just a little bigger than my head"
19:23 saracen I could see it working
19:23 sth "How would you describe your girlfriend?" "See that boat..?"
19:24 saracen Wheres the kick button
19:24 _cheerios "my head rocks your boat"
19:24 saracen I can't remember me/impl explaining to you about the boat sth
19:24 saracen Did Womberto tell you?
19:24 sth You did
19:24 saracen oh
19:24 sth Or was it Wombert :x
19:25 saracen ;x
19:25 sth Either way, I know
19:25 saracen Well, either way I hope i explained that she isn't a boat =(
19:25 saracen or wombert did
19:27 sth Was you ever tempted to use as many nautical terms around her as possible?
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19:27 sth I would have made them in every sentence
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19:28 sth During sex: Prepare to be boarded!, Entering the port bow!
19:28 saracen haha, sth, I did the other week yeah, when it came up. I did it all that day
19:29 sth When she's off to the toilet: dropping the anchor into the harber.
19:29 sth harbour*
19:29 saracen She bought up the girl that is actually the boat, because she's getting married soon
19:29 sth There's just too many
19:29 saracen so I came up with quite a few then
19:29 sth You mean you just remember all the jokes from here?
19:30 saracen Some yeah, plus "dropping the anchor" can relate to just so many things
19:30 sth yup
19:30 sth "Best putting on some sunglasses to protect your portholes"
19:30 saracen I almost wish she was a boat, so I'd have me self a leg to stand on. (Theres one in there about captains with one leg, im struggling to find it)
19:31 sth I'm excellent with puns
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19:31 sth It's like a hobby
19:32 sth haha http://cheeseorfont.mogrify.org/play
19:33 saracen So yeah, her telling me the actual boat was going to get married. I did say something like "Oh right, finally dropping the anchor is she? Few years down the line and she'll be releasing a few lifeboats"
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19:39 saracen hmm
19:39 saracen why isnt my action being executed =(
19:40 sth Because we hate you so we rigged agavi to not work on your systems
19:41 saracen every other action does :)
19:41 saracen Did you hardcode the action 'results'?
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20:33 _cheerios Think about this: Tencent in China has 6M simultaneous players at peak; in Q1′09 did $360M gross rev (90% from virtual goods) o_O
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20:34 sth Just goes to show, people are retards
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20:37 _cheerios that would make facebook the biggest collection of retards
20:38 _cheerios (facebook being the biggest gaming site on the web)
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02:14 luke` huomenta
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07:25 _cheerios huomenta
07:29 zeeg _cheerios, huomenta :)
07:29 _cheerios sup zeeg
07:30 zeeg :)
07:31 sth brb, reboot
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08:03 graste huomenta
08:04 sth Hey
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08:41 Jarda the result from an action execute is a blank page..
08:41 Jarda actions initialize() get called, but after that the execution dies
08:41 Jarda executeRead() doesn't get called..
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09:03 johnutzm Jarda: how are your settings for error_reporting and display_errors ?
09:03 Jarda never mind, the problem was a weird content-cache (we don't use content cache in this project..)
09:04 Jarda has to check if this problem is reproducable
09:04 johnutzm ok, then
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09:35 CIA-87 simon * r4289 /documentation/branches/simon-topics/tutorial/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Chapter 2 revision done
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09:42 twenty-three huomenta guys :)
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09:42 twenty-three le shrinkor
09:42 twenty-three waited 4u all day long ;)
09:47 shrink0r yo twenty
09:47 shrink0r waazzup
09:47 shrink0r how's your new job?
09:48 simoncpu shrink0r: are you a human compression algorithm or something?
09:48 graste :)
09:48 twenty-three shrink0r: suckz =)
09:49 twenty-three graste: heya :)
09:49 sth http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/10/yeah-ok-so-facebook-punkd-us/ amazing! :)
09:53 graste hrhrhr
09:53 twenty-three nice article :)
09:53 graste yeah
09:53 graste comment: "we?re asking our lawyers if it?s ok if we stand outside their offices and tazer them as they leave. apparently that?s not ok though. we?re checking on water balloons now instead."
09:53 twenty-three they should rather spend their time by extending their shitty API or something =)
09:54 graste they have - integrating an optional fax thingy :D
09:54 twenty-three hihi, right
09:55 shrink0r :)
09:55 twenty-three "i can't get this damn app to work - but wait, this fax thingy makes me totally stay with facebook"
09:56 graste <:
09:57 sth It was a joke.
09:57 sth They only implemented it for one network
09:58 twenty-three we know :)
09:58 simoncpu it's still a few months 'till april 1
09:58 shrink0r simoncpu: no, I shrink humans that make bad jokes ^^
09:59 shrink0r the nick relates to my reallife lastname
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10:28 simoncpu huomenta
10:28 simoncpu is it possible to validate a field only if a checkbox is checked?
10:29 simoncpu according to the docs, "depends" is only for validating after the dependency has succeeded
10:32 Xylakant simoncpu: you could have a validator for the checkbox that provides the dependency
10:32 Xylakant and one for the field that depends on it
10:32 Xylakant the depending one would only run if the checkbox validator succeeds
10:32 Xylakant i.e. if the box is ticked
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10:34 simoncpu http://simoncpu.pastebin.com/m17e0d307
10:35 simoncpu i'm not sure if the "or" class can provide a dependency...
10:35 simoncpu the checkbox is tunnel_ipv6_isdefault
10:36 graste it most probably can
10:37 simoncpu okidoki
10:37 simoncpu tries the validation
10:42 simoncpu i tried it, but the "Gatways" validation class is still run even when the checkbox is unchecked
10:44 twenty-three did you try to add provides="ipv6_isdefault" to the first child of the or-validator?
10:45 simoncpu good idea... lemme try that
10:47 simoncpu twenty-three: whoa, that worked. thank you!
10:47 twenty-three np :)
10:47 graste ;)
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12:15 CIA-87 simon * r4290 /documentation/branches/simon-topics/tutorial/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Chapter 3 revision done
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12:59 graste http://www.geekherocomic.com/2008/03/21/03212008/
13:01 Jarda any example on how to use routing callback
13:01 Jarda onMatched gives me an empty parameters-array
13:08 graste example like in AgaviSampleAppLanguageRoutingCallback?
13:08 graste http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/lib/routing/AgaviSampleAp​pLanguageRoutingCallback.class.php
13:08 graste did you validate the routing parameters?
13:08 v-dogg validation happens after routing callbacks (of course)
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13:12 Jarda my callback was in the wrong xml-child..
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13:15 Jarda stupid fridays...
13:15 saracen Xylakant: Am I allowed to add my own stuff to compile.xml?
13:16 Xylakant as long as you're aware of what you're doing, yes, you are
13:16 Xylakant be careful though, adding too much stuff might actually decrease performance
13:16 saracen Well, I'm not aware yet. I was just wondering what the restrictions are. Does it work with actions?
13:17 Xylakant if the compiled file is too big it won't fit in a bytecode cache's memory slot
13:17 Xylakant and that will slow things quite a bit
13:17 Xylakant saracen: why would you place an action in the compile.xml?
13:18 Xylakant it should work at least in 1.0.x though
13:18 Xylakant but I'd really reserve the compile.xml for parts that are required on each and every request
13:18 v-dogg hmm..
13:18 v-dogg hmmhmm
13:19 saracen I probably should have started out with why. It's not for a standalone project or anything, just for some hacky fun. And not so much about the compile.xml but the iternals. Like if I load an action someplace else, when Agavi actually visits the action, will it choke?
13:19 saracen My thinking about to compile actions and views together
13:19 saracen err, grammar
13:20 saracen I was thinking about compiling actions and views together. Specifically when I know that the required action is the only action that requires these views
13:20 v-dogg if I want to use http auth instead of a "normal login page" can I just send WWW-Authenticate/401 headers in my login action (and put the login logic into myuser::startup)?
13:21 Xylakant saracen: since 1.0 autoloading is supported for actions and views and basically anything that can be autoloaded can be placed in the compile.xml as well
13:22 Xylakant you need to be careful about the order sometimes but in general that assumption is true
13:23 Xylakant so you can load an action file any place and agavi should not choke when the action is hit some other place
13:23 Xylakant you're barking up the wrong tree though
13:23 Xylakant I doubt you'll gain any performance or anything
13:25 saracen Eh well, will be easy enough to test. Won't have to use compile. Just throw all my view classes in to the action class, to see if theres any benefit from them being parsed together
13:27 Xylakant saracen: I seriously recommend against doing that
13:27 saracen Don't worry, I wouldnt
13:28 saracen Like, in a actual project
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13:28 saracen :D
13:28 Xylakant if an action has 2 views and you place both in the same file you'll load 50% bloat on every request hitting that action
13:33 v-dogg anyone has any thoughts on my http auth stuff?
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13:45 Jarda well, david once said "it's easily done with agavi". No idea if he had something else than your method in mind, v-dogg
13:45 Xylakant v-dogg: I never had to work with WWW-Authenticate but I guess that should work
13:46 Xylakant david so not here today so you might want to ask him on monday
13:46 sth I don't see why it wouldn't work
13:46 Jarda only problem is to tell the user his credentials suck
13:47 Jarda but maybe it is solved by agavi redirecting user back to login-action, which in turn asks for authentication
13:49 sth Why not use the browser's login box?
13:50 v-dogg that's exactly what I'd like to use but after N invalid logins I'd like to show "you are foobar'd. go away" page
13:51 sth You can do that
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13:59 v-dogg sth: how?
14:00 sth Just keep a count locally
14:02 v-dogg yeah, sure
14:07 sth mmm
14:07 sth I may have to eat my words
14:10 saracen Better than your own feces
14:10 saracen Or anybodies feces for that matter
14:10 saracen Not quite sure why I bought that up, but its a fact nevertheless
14:15 sth v-dogg: http://pastie.org/613576
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14:52 CIA-87 david * r4292 /branches/1.0/ (431 files in 3 dirs): Updated timezone database to 2009m, closes #1154
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17:39 dsadsa i'm trying to import some data from a csv file to a mysql db... i'v aready set everything i could think about charset to utf8: show variables like '%set_character_%' in mysql returns utf8 for all cases... my files are using utf8 format, the .cvs are in utf8, http headers and meta tag are set to utf8...
17:40 dsadsa but i'm getting funny chars... and that document: http://wiki.phpmyadmin.net/pma/garbled_data
17:40 dsadsa says that its my app the problem
17:40 dsadsa could it be something related to agavi?
17:40 dsadsa (i'm using agavi to import the data)
17:42 dsadsa i'm not using any str_ function to deal with strings... maybe agavi is using and i dont know... i read that some string function in php5 are not utf8 compatible
17:45 digitarald dsadsa: agavi to import data, its a mvc framework? u use doctrine or propel?
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17:46 digitarald make sure u set the charset for your connection
17:47 dsadsa character_set_connection utf8
17:48 dsadsa :(
17:48 dsadsa no... no doctrine nor propel
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17:48 dsadsa just raw sqls
17:50 dsadsa with "set names utf8" before every query it gets right in the DB but then i need to change the http header to iso-8859-1 to display it right in my webpage
17:51 dsadsa its weird at least
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18:48 digitarald dsadsa: so how are u actually importing over agavi?
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19:03 dsadsa digitarald: fopen... i just did a test with plain .php including some data in the db and its not agavi fault
19:03 dsadsa probably a mysql bug
19:04 digitarald use an orm ;)
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22:01 krycek_ "Database handlers now can send arbitrary SQL statements after connecting; useful for "SET NAMES utf8" in MySQL etc." (from http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/0.11.8/RELEASE_NOTES)
22:01 krycek_ how?
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23:05 krycek_ o.o
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23:11 krycek_ done, init_queries... agavi rocks!
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00:25 MikeSeth wahahahahaa
00:25 MikeSeth it sure does
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03:08 krycek_ I have a main action SearchAction that generates a slot called FilterSearch...how to preserve changes done in the SearchAction $rd to be used in the FilterSearch? I want the same in both actions and not a copy from the original $rd
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03:51 krycek_ createSlotContainer solved the problem
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07:12 impl changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi : www.agavi.org : stable: 1.0.1 : maintenance: 0.11.8 : svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) : have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness : got no reply? use the mailing lists! : http://ohloh.net/p/agavi : logs at http://www.agavi.org/irclogs : http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC : these are not my pants
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07:41 sth wtf
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10:29 CIA-87 david * r4295 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG RELEASE_NOTES): 1.0.2-RC1 CHANGELOG and RELEASE_NOTES preps
10:33 sth David really knows how to enjoy a conference
10:33 sth He's doing svn commits
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10:45 benschi sth: isn't he at an UNconference?
10:47 sth yup
10:52 benschi hehe then I guess they are sitting at a round table hacking :)
10:53 benschi no but seriously what do you do at such a conference?
10:53 benschi i've never been to one, so I donno
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11:29 hzilla huomenta
11:33 hzilla hello. how can i grab a routing parameter within a model? eg. site.com/article/123 - i want to get the 123 from within a model from the parameter holder.
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11:54 benschi_ hzilla: you need to pass them from the action to the model
11:55 benschi_ or, where i'm not sure, context->getRequest ...
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12:00 sth SUCCESS!
12:00 hzilla yeh was thinking i could do $this->getContext()->getRequest()->getParameter()
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12:26 v-dogg hzilla: don't do that. pass the parameter to the model
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12:26 v-dogg $mymodel->myFunction($articleId)
12:27 v-dogg or $context->getModel('MyModel', array('article_id'=>$rd->getParameter(...
12:31 hzilla ok i did that now
12:31 hzilla also how do i prevent $ro->gen() from converting & into &amp;?
12:32 hzilla for parameters
12:32 hzilla let me try seperator
12:34 hzilla yup got it
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13:52 Jarda v-dogg: fail, getModel('MyModel', null, array('param' => $rd->
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14:56 hzilla so what's a good method of returning results from a model to a view. Obviously handling single items such as true false is fine but what if i want to set a number of attributes which need to be visible in the view?
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14:57 hzilla or is it best to return an array to the action and then handle for the view there?
15:04 benschi hzilla: you could pass the whole model setAttribute('BarModel', $mymodel); and then work with the model in the view, by letting it return values you need
15:05 graste I'd return (arrays of) models (agavi models, that is) to actions/views (depending on actions being simple or not) and then send arrays or single values to the template - so you don't have any reference of the model in the template etc. (separating the layers) - if you like it convenient you could just return models to the views and give them to the template to be used directly
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15:18 hzilla graste: right so say for example a model reports a failure, you could take that response and then ask the model for a single error code value which you can pass to the template?
15:19 Jarda I do mostly $customer = $this->context->getModel('Customer, null, array($customerid)); $this->setAttribute('customer', $customer->toArray());
15:19 Jarda I don't like to pass a model to a template, if it is possible, that the database fails or something
15:20 Jarda it's safer to do try { $customer = $this->conte... } catch (CustomerNotFoundException $e) { return 'Error' } in the action or something like that..
15:24 hzilla hmm ok seems like there's a few ways to peel this onion
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15:25 Jarda IMO template (and view) are only for representing data, action is where all data retrieval from the models is done
15:27 graste when you have simple actions it's imho okay to get data in the view
15:28 graste but other than that I agree
15:28 hzilla ok thanks for the pointers
15:31 hzilla i'm running into a bit of repetition i want to eliminate. My action validator checks if an parameter id exsits in the database. is there a way to pass the doctrine object into the execute action so i can do further operations on it? rather than calling the database again to pick up the object
15:31 v-dogg you can export it from the validator
15:31 Jarda my point is also partially, that if I assign an array of data in an action, the view can use it as it wishes.. like executeHtml can do some modifications for html and executeJson can just do return json_encode($this->getAttribute('customer'));
15:32 Jarda hzilla: there's an example in the tutorial
15:32 v-dogg http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/lib/validator/AgaviSample​AppProductValidator.class.php
15:32 Jarda wait a sec
15:32 hzilla v-dogg: can that be done also from the validate() function inside the action?
15:32 Jarda hzilla: of course $this->setAttribute in validate()
15:32 hzilla righto ! thanks
15:32 v-dogg if you are already in the action (class)... :)
15:33 Jarda http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/step3/custom-validators.html
15:33 v-dogg $this->myClassVariable = .. or container attributes like Jarda suggested
15:35 hzilla hmm many options again!
15:42 graste http://pastie.org/614661
15:42 graste from the top of my head...perhaps it helps
15:44 graste I got the feeling, that we should make an faq entry out of the whole "how to use models etc. in a somewhat 'correct' way?" questions that are asked from time to time - not that I have the definitive way that I would use, but the above mentioned things are pretty much my good practice (not that I'm coding a lot lately) :P
15:44 graste I am/was struggling the same
15:45 hzilla i think some guidance on how to move parameters and attribbutes around would be helpful
15:46 hzilla although i'm sure there would be differences of opinion
15:46 hzilla the discussion might lead to a clearer best practice
15:46 graste yeah, but that should not be the problem - anyone may have own preferences and requirements
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15:48 graste guidance like in what? hints to export models in validators to use directly in actions to get them smaller? to put business logic in model methods to make leaner views? transporting arrays around to separate the layers? to use models to make yourself a bit more independent from data storagE?
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15:49 graste I don't even know if the things I outline above are agreed things that are not a too bad practice =)
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15:49 graste although I'm pretty sure, that there are ways that are worse by far
15:49 graste ^^
15:50 graste hints on tricks with output types and routing for common problems may be helpful as well
15:50 graste hm
15:50 hzilla i think the key is how to make the models as black boxed as possible so they can be resused without changing interfaces and return types etc.
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15:51 hzilla that requires a fairly consisten approach to programming them
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15:51 hzilla say for example i've been working on a payment processing model
15:52 hzilla the backends operate differently for different processors
15:52 hzilla but the actions and views don't want to know about that
15:52 hzilla so when i process a payment do i return a true/false? and if false how do i make the error message consistent
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15:54 graste yeah, that should probably get injected the needed information and objects to do it's work (without using the global context everywhere) - you may then easily use it everywhere in agavi apps (like in a validator to process a payment and fail the validator if your credit card info is invalid) or do it later in an action after doing several other things (talking to other systems, send mails etc)
15:54 hzilla and perhaps repeat billing/refunds etc
15:55 graste you'd probably build a paymentmodel and that has paypalmodels etc. derived or whatever
15:55 graste for the interfaces that exist out htere
15:55 hzilla yeh that;s what i have but i'm just working out how to pass the data around
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15:58 graste I think validators are a place that perhaps not too many people look into when dealing with these problems
15:58 graste calling models in validators and exporting things to actions is a nice way of doing things sometimes
15:58 Jarda I don't use return values to check if things work or not
15:58 Jarda I use exceptions
15:59 hzilla so you throw an exception instead of returning a false for example?
16:00 hzilla see that's probably a smart move
16:00 Jarda yeah, I'm programming like php would be strongly typed
16:01 graste that's okay imho and depends on the case, as I don't want to litter my code with try/catch all the time - in some places it is complicated to determine where to catch exceptions - e.g. if a model that is used by a model that is used by a model that is called in an action may hide the exceptional edge case pretty well and if you use the top level model you may be very surprised to see an uncaught exception later on in production :)
16:01 Jarda void-method are void and returning method return something they are supposed to..
16:02 Jarda graste: our error_reporting catches all otherwise uncaught exceptions and gives a nice error view
16:02 graste yeah - I like returning valid data like empty arrays when getting a collection of things just to not surprise the ppl that later on use that method and do a foreach (false) if I'd return that without them taking notice of that :)
16:03 graste yep Jarda - sensible thing to do :)
16:03 Jarda yeah, I hate methods that might return false or -1 or something in a error-like situation
16:03 Jarda otherwise returing an array or object..
16:03 graste still the operation failed unexpectantly in that top level model or action and the implementor of that method may not have thought of problems there..
16:04 graste results in creating corrupted data in worst case situations :)
16:04 Jarda graste: true that.. that's why I like java, where you _have_to_ catch the exception if a method is declared as throwing one..
16:04 graste hehe, yes
16:05 Jarda I like the syntax and behauviour of java, but otherwise it is unusable
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16:21 Jarda and it's nice that php will start to support try { try { try { etc
16:21 Jarda so you can catch the exception where you want
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16:46 macen pragmatic ?
16:46 macen Linkinus.app
16:46 macen shakes head
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17:19 _cheerios oh man. almost awake to start the day.
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17:48 _cheerios anyone done a flashcards app for learning?
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18:03 _cheerios has anyone learned a language recently (one that isnt used for programming)?
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18:19 simoncpu i was trying to learn esperanto, but i realized that it doesn't have practical applications
18:19 simoncpu so i stopped
18:20 digitarald :D
18:20 digitarald and spanish?
18:20 digitarald I gotta relearn french
18:21 digitarald had it in school but it got "overidden" by spanish
18:22 simoncpu i think i should learn mandarin or cantonese instead
18:22 simoncpu i realized that chinese chics are hot!
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18:33 everplays simoncpu: maybe http://lernu.net/ helps you :) for learning Esperanto
18:34 _cheerios I found http://www.mnemosyne-proj.org seems like a gem of software
18:34 _cheerios simoncpu, they're OK :)
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18:38 simoncpu everplays: yepp... i used lernu.net... =)
18:38 simoncpu _cheerios: whoa... i didn't know this tool exists! thanks...
18:40 _cheerios i'll use it to prep my swedish, take a dive on chinese and a bit of math -- i'll know how useful it is by end of this year!
18:43 Jarda I just bought a book in swedish
18:43 Jarda ...written in swedish
18:55 _cheerios great article on learning http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/magazine/16-05/ff_wozniak?currentPage=all
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19:08 sth Tomorrow's f1 race should be a good watch
19:09 Jarda I don't watch f1 as it's not free in finland
19:10 sth :/
19:10 sth I watch it on BBC iPlayer
19:13 _cheerios "...in a single lifetime one can acquire only a few million new items. This is the absolute limit on intellectual achievement defined by death. So he guards his health. He rarely gets in a car."
19:14 sth Jarda: if you don't mind bending a few laws. There's a windows app for p2p streaming of sports events
19:15 Jarda quality sucsk and no finnish commentary
19:16 sth Just watch the BBC streams
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20:22 luke` How do I set attributes for a PDO connection?
20:26 sth such as?
20:33 luke` sth: http://in.php.net/manual/en/pdo.setattribute.php
20:35 sth Oh get the db and just use setAttribute I guess
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00:39 neubian I'm trying to figure out the best way to do some routing. I want to route site.com/Calendar to the Calendar module, but then I actually want site.com/Calendar?action=DoThis to run the Calendar/DoThisAction
01:40 saracen Why not site.com/Calendar/DoThis?
01:41 saracen neubian:
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01:50 saracen neubian: http://pastebin.com/m7276b490 - just incase I'm asleep by the time you respond.
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08:50 _cheerios huomenta
08:55 MikeSeth huomenta
09:02 benschi moin moin
09:09 _cheerios benschi, have you listened to eläkeläiset?
09:10 benschi nope
09:10 benschi y?
09:10 _cheerios you might like them :D
09:10 _cheerios i liked the bands attitude on their first german gig, legend :D
09:12 _cheerios http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfBS0Be7EFc
09:15 benschi this is more for my roomie
09:15 benschi _cheerios: have a look at http://www.mercedes-benz.tv/mixedtape
09:16 _cheerios i get an error page?
09:16 _cheerios ah, loaded on 3rd
09:16 benschi Quite nice mixture on music every 3 months or so
09:18 _cheerios will it stream, or do i download the thing?
09:18 _cheerios the intro is taking for-e-ver
09:19 MikeSeth hurrrrr durrrr
09:24 _cheerios benschi, hmmm... quite a mixed compilation idd
09:25 benschi Yep it is a mixed compilation :)
09:25 benschi wait i look for the site your get the rest of the stuff
09:26 benschi http://71grad.de/2006/12/15/mercedes-benz-mixed-tapes-herunterladen/
09:27 benschi or ddl http://www.bitte-downloaden.de/mp3/mercedes.htm
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09:53 _cheerios heh @ bots following twitter
09:54 _cheerios used the word "gtd" in a tweet, and like half an hour later "Productivity501" begins following me
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11:10 MikeSeth twitter creeps me out
11:26 saracen twitter creeps creep me out
11:26 Jarda I don't get twitter..
11:41 _cheerios you follow celebs with it!
11:42 _cheerios there's nothing creepy about stalking people on the Internet by new web 2.0 means
11:42 Jarda ok
11:42 Jarda I have registered to twitter and my front page is full of wombert..
11:44 Jarda that maybe shouldn't be the purpose of twitter..
11:47 _cheerios :)
11:54 _cheerios some celebs like wombert fill all your digital twitter space. they're big. ;)
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12:31 CIA-87 david * r4296 /branches/1.0/tests2/date/TimeZoneTest.php: adjusted timezone tests to account for new MIT zone DST, refs #1154
12:33 CIA-87 david * r4297 /branches/1.0/tests2/ (10 files in 4 dirs): adjusted, fixed and cleaned up old tests to use less memory and not fail on PHP 5.3 engine/reflection bugs, refs #1153
12:34 Jarda why is david no more here :
12:34 Jarda :(
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12:43 kassens hi
12:44 kassens i've got two best practices questions:
12:45 graste huomenta
12:45 kassens 1) Load Models in a validator, for instance a ProductValidator for a /products/13 route or in the action and do a 404 from there?
12:46 kassens 2) When would I use Modules vs. "subactions" aka Products.View
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12:46 kassens that is, should i rather create a module for Product or put a Product.View, Product.Create action in a User module
12:49 graste 2) structuring is entirely up to you - I've seen multiple variations - I like it when modules are a top level like web site part (say you've got 5 menu items on your site) - other thing I used was to structure it after data that is handled (it depends on the apps you'Re writing)
12:50 graste 1) get the model in the product validator and give only valid products to your action - when validation fails due to wrong product id the error view is set and you may return a forward container to 404 in that case
12:50 graste my 0.02ct
12:51 kassens huh, i dont get your answer to 1)
12:51 kassens you're saying, that i should validate the models in a validator AND check the id in the action?
12:51 kassens if the validator fails, the route doesnt match
12:52 kassens i'm just not sure, if a validator would be a good place to put some business logic, like is this user allowed to retrieve this model
12:52 graste no, I tried to say, that you try to get the product in the validator (using the input data like id or whatever) and then export the ProductModel to be used by the action
12:53 kassens i could load the model in the Validator, and check the user credentials after it was loaded
12:54 kassens oh, i think i just mixed up routing callbacks with validators..
12:54 graste there's no business logic except calling a productmodelfinder or the like with the validated inputs - say you validated the id of the url to be numeric, non-negative etc. and then call $productFinder->getById($id) to get a valid $model which you $this->export($model)
12:55 graste if getById() doesn't return anything, the validator fails, the error view is called and you return 404 forward container
12:55 kassens yep
12:55 graste something like that
12:55 kassens right
12:55 kassens this sounds best to me
12:56 kassens i thought of a RoutingCallback to load the model
12:56 graste doing somethign like that in routing callbacks wozuld be possible, but is imho the wrong place
12:56 kassens yeah
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12:56 kassens validators seems cleanest to me now
12:56 graste as you would do this and perhaps don't even need it later on
12:56 graste as route matching goes on etc
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12:58 kassens would be cool, if i could say in the validator file, that invalid data should 404
12:59 graste the nice thing about the validators is, that you have very nice actions, that perhaps only have like 2 lines to give something to the view after calling business logic on your models (like $businessModel = ....; $this->setAttribute('foo', $businessModel->DoSomethingWith($rd->getParameter('product)));) where 'product' is the ProductModel from the validator
13:00 kassens right
13:00 graste the 404 thing belongs to the view and that's why in case of failed validation your error view is used and it's then up to your application on how to handle this
13:00 kassens a validator has access to the AgaviUser object, right?
13:01 graste I think so http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#general_20
13:02 graste the good thing about the 404 in view is, that you may later on decide, to not simply return 404 but present a page with related products depending on the input or render no 404 in case of let's say JSON requests etc
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13:39 rai Huomenta, is there anyway to use wildcard subdomains in routing?
13:40 sth Yes
13:40 rai how? ;)
13:41 sth <route name="name" pattern="^(foo:[^\.]+).(domain:.+)$" source="_SERVER[SERVER_NAME]" module="Foo">
13:41 _cheerios ooh. exciting f1 was it?
13:41 sth yup
13:42 sth Hamilton spun out on the last lap
13:43 rai thanks ;)
13:45 _cheerios gaah, i want to see videon on that! :D
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13:46 _cheerios http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUuKtUD2DdA&hd=1 :D
13:48 sth ALREADY?
13:48 sth Damn German stream
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13:53 shrink0r huomenta
13:55 MikeSeth man a lot of new people here
13:55 sth A few
13:55 sth But they're not active
13:56 graste define "a lot" when there're 24 ppl here (including chuckwalla and cia87 that is)
13:56 graste :P
13:56 MikeSeth dunno there were at least 3 folks today here that I've never seen before
13:56 MikeSeth the word is spreading
13:56 graste :>
13:57 shrink0r MikeSeth: you mean me? ^^
13:57 MikeSeth no
13:57 shrink0r k
13:57 MikeSeth where's Ross btw
13:57 MikeSeth he disappeared
13:59 graste perhaps the other zillions of php frameworks were tested by them and now it's time (for the last time!) to give a framework a try
13:59 graste no looking back =)
13:59 MikeSeth heh
14:03 shrink0r yeah, I heard about this great framework
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14:03 shrink0r what was it called again .... cookies, cake something like that
14:03 shrink0r :)
14:04 shrink0r since knowing agavi, I rather change the langauge than using an other framework
14:04 shrink0r ^^
14:05 sth I might learn django
14:05 MikeSeth heh
14:05 MikeSeth shrink0r: learn lisp
14:05 MikeSeth err
14:05 MikeSeth sth: learn lisp
14:05 MikeSeth all of you
14:05 MikeSeth learn lisp!
14:05 shrink0r ^^
14:06 MikeSeth NOW
14:06 shrink0r graste probally codes lisp
14:06 shrink0r ^^ gratse codes everything that isn't up the tree's by three
14:11 graste not even close :p
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15:47 CIA-87 david * r4299 /tags/1.0.2RC1/: tagging 1.0.2-RC1
15:48 CIA-87 david * r4300 /branches/1.0/src/version.php: back to -dev
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16:21 saracen Why doesn't Wombert show his love in this channel anymore =(
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16:24 Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi : www.agavi.org : stable: 1.0.1 : testing: 1.0.2 RC1 : maintenance: 0.11.8 svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) : have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness : got no reply? use the mailing lists! : http://ohloh.net/p/agavi : logs at http://www.agavi.org/irclogs : http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC : these are not my pants
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17:04 Jarda Wombert: please merge changes from 1.0 to trunk
17:04 Jarda atleast tests2/AllTests.php
17:04 Jarda Wombert: I lied, you did already..
17:10 Jarda no you didn't
17:13 sth Make your mind up
17:13 kassens this should be incorporated somewhere on the agavi page ;) http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html
17:14 sth It will be
17:14 sth Well, a link to it
17:14 sth It's on my todo list for tomorrow
17:15 Jarda sth: trunk tests fail :(
17:16 sth Well, trunk isn't meant to work
17:17 Jarda yeah, true that
17:17 Jarda 1.0 has a skipped test?
17:18 sth No idea
17:18 sth Not my department
17:18 Jarda ok
17:19 sth I'm in the "Give the guy from the UK a webapp to build" department
17:19 sth I need to get cards like this guy: http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2009/09/07
17:20 saracen sth: Is this a secret webapp you're building?
17:20 Jarda watching us open.. don't feel like opening videos
17:21 sth saracen: ya
17:21 saracen sth: You can tell me, I'm British.
17:21 sth Oh ok!
17:22 saracen lol
17:22 sth Well, I'm making an app to invade poland
17:22 Jarda I would like to live on the countryside of uk
17:22 saracen No you wouldnt
17:22 sth I have, it sucked
17:23 saracen You'd get a shit net connection.
17:23 Jarda I have watched a ton of british tv series
17:23 sth So?
17:23 Jarda love the countryside :)
17:23 Jarda and if it's on tv, it has to be true
17:23 sth It's not like the tv shows
17:24 Jarda there's no murder once a year?
17:24 sth More murders happen in the country side
17:24 Jarda and a fat police and a long skinny police trying to figure it out?
17:24 Wombert Jarda: yeah will do that
17:25 sth Hey Wombert, how was Hamburg?
17:25 Wombert on a train back home right now
17:27 sth I have another viewing tomorrow, nice house but it's even further outside of Munich
17:28 sth http://ferienwohnung-bayern.npage.de/
17:28 Wombert don't do it
17:28 Wombert I'll help you with the search next week
17:28 Wombert but under no circumstance take a place outside munich
17:28 Wombert it'll be dreadful
17:28 sth heh
17:29 sth Realistically, I need to be out on the 27th. Else I'm home less :/
17:29 Wombert you can't even go into town for a beer in the evening cause you'll never make it back
17:29 Wombert I'm serious
17:29 Wombert nah, we can figure that out
17:29 sth Awesome
17:30 sth I've sent off about 30 emails with no reponses
17:30 sth I have 4 places to call tomorrow
17:30 Wombert worst case you stay at my place for a bit or Florian's
17:30 sth I guess
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17:40 sth Pizza or no pizza? :/
17:41 Jarda pizza.
17:55 Wombert pizza
17:56 Wombert eats a cheese/ham sammich
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17:59 v-dogg pizza (sorry for the delay, I was eating pizza)
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18:28 shrink0r http://blogs.adobe.com/acdc/2008/08/using_json_to_exchange_data_wi.html
18:28 shrink0r :) the sad thing is, that this guy is serious
18:33 graste *click*
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18:34 graste :D
18:34 graste SOA enabled JSON obvously =)
18:34 graste too funny
18:35 _cheerios guys, which of these names sounds better (for a .com city startup); tuurban, urbanr ?
18:36 shrink0r it's like making a fire on your kitchen stove to get your food cooked :)
18:36 shrink0r I'd prefer urbanr
18:37 graste me 2 - tuurban sounds like the social app for the muslim part of your city's population
18:37 shrink0r :D
18:37 graste at least for us germans :p
18:37 _cheerios heh, is pronouncing urbanr OK-ish enough?
18:38 graste how'd you pronounce it?
18:38 _cheerios ur-ban-er
18:39 graste that's the way I'd pronounce it
18:39 graste :)
18:39 graste berlin.urbanr.com, uusikaupunki.urbanr.com
18:39 graste hehe
18:39 DracoBlue @graste the fitting soap via. json post at http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Keep-it-Simple-and-Stupid.aspx
18:39 graste *click*
18:40 graste hehe
18:40 graste hot stuff, too
18:41 _cheerios lol @ kiss
18:41 graste lately I'm sending base64 encoded soap envelopes around that contain json stuff just to have less encoding problems
18:41 shrink0r haha
18:42 graste I'm thinking about gzipping it for performance reasons
18:42 graste ^^
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18:42 graste btw, back to serious issues - I just had a look at a random web shop solution and got instant eye cancer :x
18:42 shrink0r hands over the squid hammer to graste
18:42 graste yeah
18:42 graste squid ftw
18:43 graste anyone here wants to conquer the world and create a web shop solution based on php and agavi? ^^
18:44 graste 2 years later we would have a nice solution with no community or market share but with perhaps a good code base =)
18:44 _cheerios sounds like years well spent
18:44 graste but as agavi 2.0 will be out there we'd have to rewrite from scratch instantly
18:44 graste =)
18:45 saracen Plus agavi is too bloated
18:45 _cheerios 2.0? well, 1.1 atleast. :)
18:45 saracen lets all move to codeigniter
18:45 hzilla i'm working on shop system for my site so i could contribute some code
18:46 sth saracen: I say we move to symfony
18:46 sth Maybe Cake.
18:46 _cheerios my weekend has been productive enough that i've nearly managed to write code for a form-submission (ok, it's not your average form... but still)
18:47 _cheerios http://www.supermemo.com/articles/programming.htm tempted to try
18:48 saracen sth: Or you could poke Wombert to hurry up with the storage subsystem =(. I'm hoping with a storage system there, agavis internals can perhaps cache more effciently
18:48 saracen It's not like it can use memcache/xcache at the moment
18:48 saracen But with an abstracted method, the developer could choose a system, if any =(
18:49 saracen There must be some gain from caching the module/action given from a route, for example, without it having to be parsed each time. Although I have no idea what this means in teh real world
18:49 sth You poke him.
18:50 sth Make 100's of tickets until it's done
18:50 saracen He ignores me, I think he filters messages that come from the British. I think you've got a better chance of penetration than I
18:50 sth Or until Wombert flys to the uk and kills you
18:50 saracen and thats what she said.
18:50 sth ...
18:50 saracen fuk you
18:50 saracen oh wut
18:50 saracen ssh lagggg
18:51 sth Ugh. my @php.net address is being spammed
18:51 saracen Did you convince them to give you one because you said you'd do documentation stuff?
18:52 sth yeah
18:52 saracen haha
18:52 saracen impl-clone.
18:52 sth Most I do is delete crap comments and vote on bug reports
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18:58 graste hehe
18:58 graste last time I added something to the bug tracking it was "duplicate, invalid" marked after like 2 seconds by wombert ;)
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19:01 v-dogg all hail Wümbert
19:01 sth Let's not
19:02 sth :)
19:02 v-dogg ok then
19:02 graste :)
19:10 graste hm, for a new webshop solution we need lots of buzzwords the others don't have - like RESTful and stuff ^^
19:11 _cheerios hello all you homo hitlers!
19:11 _cheerios </eläkeläiset>
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19:15 v-dogg graste: Written with Code Igniter should be enough buzz
19:15 sth Just make a framework out of the most obscure language
19:16 graste :)
19:16 sth Like make it out of haskell
19:16 impl pants
19:17 sth Yes, they go under your trousers
19:17 v-dogg has none
19:17 sth gives impl a gold star
19:17 graste I'd say we use couchdb and try to make use of http and restful design and code it all in whitespace so we need no obfuscation
19:17 graste but a good editor
19:17 graste <:
19:17 graste brainfuck being the 2nd choice
19:18 impl sth: Quiet, Britfag
19:18 sth graste: Nothing wrong with couchdb
19:18 sth impl: fatass Yank.
19:18 impl :(
19:18 sth Oh, I can use wizard of Oz jokes now you live in kansas
19:18 impl graste: brainfuck and whitespace aren't hard to write at all
19:19 impl I live in Missouri, sorry :(
19:19 impl graste: hard to maintain.. but not hard to write
19:19 impl like Perl :D
19:19 graste <:
19:19 sth impl, hick.
19:19 sth :D
19:19 impl sth: no worse than North Carolina :P
19:19 sth Hick.
19:19 sth :)
19:19 impl THIS TRUCK PULLIN' THIS TRUCK PULLIN' THAT TRUCK
19:20 impl looks at Wombert
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19:20 sth You should get that murder van now
19:21 Wombert yes sir?
19:21 sth impl, you could disguise it as the a team van
19:21 Wombert yes, do
19:21 sth Then go out killing people
19:23 graste drive-by agavi guerilla advertising
19:23 graste in missouri :x
19:24 DracoBlue A van for the A-Team? :hides:
19:25 graste hm, wombert you should think about that - create an A-Team that saves the world wherever your mercenaries are called to (and paid)
19:26 graste agavi rapid deployment force "we save the day - every day"
19:26 Wombert that's our business model, actually, but most clients don't like paying us for parachuting out of attack helicopters at night to fix some code
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19:27 graste hm, but their devs are doing overtime anyways and could open the rooftop for you
19:28 sth BX has a business model?
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19:29 graste I hope so
19:30 sth I swear my contract says we just play guitar hero and eat starburst to get through the day
19:30 saracen I was thinking about buying rockband/guitar hero today
19:30 saracen I feel left out
19:30 sth Wombert: Since you're the next one going to the UK/states moar starburst plz.
19:30 Wombert okay
19:31 sth I rock at Guitar Hero, I'm undefeated in Germany
19:31 Wombert do they have supermarkets in manchester?
19:31 saracen You can't get starburst in germany?
19:31 sth Wombert: yeah
19:31 sth saracen: no
19:31 saracen sth: Do you actually play a real guitar?
19:31 sth I used to be able to
19:31 saracen Why can't you just import some? :)
19:31 Wombert WHERE IS MAH CHANNEL TOPIX
19:31 sth Because we need to buy them in mass quantities
19:31 saracen They're only small
19:32 Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.1 :: testing: 1.0.2 RC1 :: maintenance: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://ohloh.net/p/agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC :: these are not my pants
19:32 saracen That was already set
19:32 sth saracen: To be worth while, we'd probably need to buy about 10 cases
19:33 saracen You people make me sick.
19:33 saracen 19:47:43 < saracen> sth: Or you could poke Wombert to hurry up with the storage subsystem =(. I'm hoping with a storage system there, agavis internals can perhaps cache more effciently
19:33 saracen 19:47:53 < saracen> It's not like it can use memcache/xcache at the moment
19:33 saracen 19:48:06 < saracen> But with an abstracted method, the developer could choose a system, if any =(
19:33 saracen 19:48:42 < saracen> There must be some gain from caching the module/action given from a route, for example, without it having to be parsed each time. Although I have no idea what this means in teh real world
19:33 sth Stop flooding
19:33 saracen 19:49:01 < sth> You poke him.
19:33 saracen Wombert: Consider yourself poked
19:33 saracen fuck you, you're not an op
19:33 saracen I dont have to listen to you.
19:33 Wombert yesyes
19:34 saracen Am I right about the internal stuffs at all?
19:34 sth saracen: Please join #php efnet.
19:35 saracen You're an op there?
19:35 saracen I was there ages ago, everybody was stupid.
19:35 saracen I'm not going back
19:36 saracen I remember I spoke to some girl who sucked at PHP and used to speak to some op would started being a cunt to her. It was so much of a drama I decided to never return / speak to her again.
19:36 saracen and she used to speak to*
19:37 saracen None of that made much sense
19:37 saracen Oh btw, I'm wearing my Agavi tshirt today
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19:40 sth Yay
19:40 sth Wombert: Catch the f1 race yet?
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19:42 Wombert sure
19:42 Wombert uk proxy for great justice
19:42 Wombert <3
19:42 Wombert red bull failed
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19:45 sth yup
19:45 _cheerios v-dogg, http://naurunappula.com/502231 :)
19:45 sth Shame about hamilton at the end
19:47 Wombert well, he tried too hard to catch button
19:47 Wombert (I wish he had)
19:49 sth I dont :P
19:49 sth button ftw
19:50 saracen stig ftw
19:50 sth Button just needs to finish one place behind Rubens for the next 4 races
19:50 sth And he's won
19:50 sth Or ahead...
19:50 Wombert three races left? or four?
19:50 Wombert how big is his lead?
19:51 Wombert vettel needs to win all races and button 0pts each for vettel to win or something?
19:51 Wombert failure
19:51 sth 4.
19:51 sth Rubens needs to get 3 points over Jenson on every race to win
19:52 saracen sth, did the criteria for your job include 'Must love starburst, forumla 1 and have watched fawlty towers'?
19:52 sth No, but it might as well have
19:52 sth I've yet to introduce David to Blackadder
19:52 saracen haha
19:53 sth The DVDs are on my home desk
19:53 sth Wombert: Button has a 26 point lead on Vettel.
19:54 saracen Screw DVDs, download them using (il)legals means
19:54 sth I buy all my favourite British sitcoms
19:54 saracen No wonder you need a proper job
19:54 saracen one that has an actual office and shit
19:54 sth heh
19:57 Wombert omnom twix
19:58 Wombert the last one for a while
19:58 Wombert I must change my eating habits
19:58 Wombert no fucking mcdonalds I swear
19:58 Wombert I'm fed up with this
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19:59 sth Good.
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19:59 sth If you don't I won't end up going
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20:58 sth Bloody dryers.
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21:25 neubian I'm sorta asking this in two channels. I'm having a propel issue when integrating with Agavi. Currently, I'm getting this error: Unable to open PDO connection [wrapped: SQLSTATE[28000] [1045] Access denied for user 'apache'@'localhost' (using password: NO)]
21:25 neubian agavi databases.xml
21:26 neubian http://en.pastebin.ca/1564644
21:26 neubian splex-conf.php
21:26 neubian http://en.pastebin.ca/1564638
21:26 neubian propel build.properties
21:26 neubian http://en.pastebin.ca/1564647
21:26 neubian propel runtime.conf
21:26 neubian http://en.pastebin.ca/1564648
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05:57 v-dogg huomenta
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07:42 sth Morning
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08:29 Xylakant huomenta
08:32 v-dogg huomenta, Xylakant
08:34 saracen Hai pals
08:34 saracen I'm wearing my agavi tshirt again
08:34 saracen Not because I'm a true awesome supporter
08:34 saracen I just realised I didnt have any other clothes when I left from my girlfriends house to work this morning =(
08:36 v-dogg so you're wearing nothing but a t-shirt?
08:36 v-dogg nasty
08:36 v-dogg casual monday
08:36 Xylakant I'd at least add pants
08:36 Xylakant you can live without socks and shoes
08:36 Xylakant but well, pants, that's something
08:36 Xylakant unless it's a real long shirt
08:37 v-dogg maybe casual in saracen's work means "nutty sacks hanging freely"
08:37 saracen psht
08:38 saracen no other tshirts. I'm wearing the same jeans too
08:38 sth It's an agavi shirt, they're not exactly big :)
08:38 saracen But thats allowed
08:38 saracen Theres a rule
08:38 sth You can wear the same jeans for ages
08:38 saracen tshirts 1 day. jeans ~3 days
08:38 saracen I had clean boxers :)
08:38 saracen So really everything else is fine, but the shirt
08:39 saracen The only thing its missing btw is a slogan
08:39 saracen something like 'Agavi developers like to have their caek and eat it'
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08:39 horros fecking unit tests and mock objects and dependency injection :x
08:40 saracen and jews
08:40 horros Yes, those too.
08:41 v-dogg and citrix
08:41 v-dogg and symantec
08:41 saracen and jews
08:41 horros kicks Spring in the face
08:42 sth drop kicks saracen
08:43 saracen sup.
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08:51 CIA-87 simon * r4301 /documentation/branches/simon-topics/tutorial/step5/ (introduction.dita the-database-manager.dita): Databases chapter revised
08:53 _cheerios i tried to see time, but didn't
09:13 Xylakant http://xylakant.soup.io/post/28469833/Image
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09:29 sth Morning
09:38 sth wtf type of way is this to make money: http://www.myhexcolor.com/
09:38 sth They're selling colours at $1 each
09:40 graste Do I own the color I buy?
09:40 graste Yes and no. Within the confines of this website it's yours! It will be identified by the name that you give it and it will link to your website. How cool is that?
09:40 graste Out there in the real world it's impossible to own colors (sorry T-Mobile).
09:41 saracen sth: A great way if people are stupid enough.
09:42 sth it appears people are
09:42 sth Look at the home page
09:42 saracen yeah
09:42 saracen lawl
09:43 saracen I used to try coming up with schemes like this
09:43 saracen Infact, sometimes I still think about doing them
09:43 saracen When I first started to learn PHP, I think I tried to make a site which allowed you to buy time.
09:44 saracen I also owned for a short period of time a site called depositorybox.com or something, where you could post a message and the more money you paid for it, the higher up the page it went)
09:44 saracen I got about 2 comments.
09:45 saracen So I got about 4 pence. The domain cost me about 8 pound.
09:47 graste you weren't patient enough and didn't produce enough hype ^^
09:47 saracen I was young and foolish
09:47 saracen It was at least 2 months ago.
09:47 saracen (i lie, it was years ago)
09:49 simoncpu sth: whoa, nice business idea
09:49 simoncpu but i think $1 is a good price
09:49 simoncpu if the site has high page rank
09:51 sth 2/10
09:55 sth I see that stupid website with this one: http://asciimilliondollarpage.com/
09:56 Xylakant he still has a long long way to go
09:59 sth Yeah, I don't see who would be stupid enough to buy ads/links on these sites
10:00 sth Obviously, there are people willing to do so. But it all seems so pointless, people go out of their way to block adverts on sites they're not going to go a website designed exclusively for adverts
10:01 Xylakant it's not about adverts
10:01 Xylakant it's about getting incoming links to your page
10:01 Xylakant so the google crawler picks them up
10:01 sth Well yeah, but they're doing such a bad job with SEO on those sites though
10:01 Xylakant it's a pretty basic misunderstanding about how the google pagerank works
10:02 Xylakant and well, if the page really becomes a hype it might get a lot of clicks
10:02 Xylakant it's a risky investment but otoh, it's pretty cheap
10:02 Xylakant a one time investment of 20$ per character
10:03 sth Well yeah, but this is no better than saracen's comment/time block thing at being noticed atm
10:04 Xylakant certainly
10:04 Xylakant but it at least has the potential to become a hype
10:04 Xylakant if some people invest in cool ascii arts
10:06 sth Nuts to it, I'm going back to quicksilver
10:07 sth Google Quick Box Search is buggy
10:17 Xylakant great. last software update wrecked itunes
10:18 sth yup
10:18 sth The iPhone sync options are now really, really cluttered
10:19 Xylakant no, wrecked as in "does not start up"
10:19 sth Oh.
10:20 sth err, retart?
10:20 saracen You guys remember milliondollarhomepage?
10:20 _cheerios coworkers snow leopard update turned his wifes mac into an expensive blinking light :D
10:20 Xylakant nice
10:20 saracen I'm pretty sure it was the first "milliondollarpage" thing.
10:20 _cheerios saracen, yeah i remember
10:20 Xylakant and I guess it's one of those macs that don't have firewire
10:21 saracen Aren't macs always expensive blinking lights?
10:22 Xylakant among other things yes
10:22 Xylakant they double as a very sturdy CD case
10:22 Xylakant and a very expensive portable firewire disk
10:23 Xylakant a cool looking but exceedingly heavy portable music player
10:23 Xylakant but among those other things, they work pretty fine as a laptop if you ever need one
10:24 saracen My lightbulbs can do all of that
10:24 sth You forgot door stop
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10:25 Xylakant oh, sorry, my bad
10:25 Xylakant your lightbulbs play music?
10:25 Xylakant "Darling, could you turn of the light in the kitchen, it's so noisy, please."
10:26 sth I'd like to see the lightbulb that can be used as a firewire drive too
10:26 saracen They do play music
10:26 saracen and yes, they can be used as a firewire drive
10:27 saracen I mean, I need to purchase an additional item
10:27 saracen an optical reciever, but when I turn my lights on and off real quick, I can get it playing some really awesome tunes
10:27 sth Like a house and fill it with say a mp3 player and firewire drive?
10:27 saracen Don't be stupid
10:27 saracen I wouldnt blatantly lie about my lightbulb being able to play music
10:28 sth Oh, but the optical reciever is totally plausable...
10:28 saracen yes it is
10:28 saracen And let me tell you, the speed of light is somewhat faster than your macs firewire
10:29 saracen Unless of course firewire does use fibre
10:29 saracen I've no idea
10:29 saracen But still, it's damn fast
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10:44 CIA-87 simon * r4302 /documentation/branches/simon-topics/tutorial/step6/ (3 files): chapter 7 revised
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10:58 _cheerios open source igoogle/netvibes-clone http://picok.org/
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11:28 sth http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2009/09/12/image/272680_20195.jpg sfw
11:29 _cheerios lol
11:33 horros sth: Old like a 1869 issue of The Times :(
11:37 _cheerios horros, i was chuckling at trolling is a art earlier :D
11:37 sth horros: turd muncher
11:38 horros sth: Nono, ur.
11:38 sth ha http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2009/09/10/image/272522_Oh%2C%20well%20if%​20Josh%20has%20it%20covered.jpg sfw
11:40 _cheerios the sounds of drilling concrete outside ze office windows is slightly distracting
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11:42 sth I guess Wombert is on this way to the office now
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11:47 sth I guess not.
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11:54 MikeSeth Wombert: NEWS news on agavi.org is bork
11:55 v-dogg prolly best to trigger Xylakant's highlights too :)
11:55 v-dogg *ping*
11:55 sth It's working
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12:02 MikeSeth simoncpu: omg wtf
12:02 MikeSeth dont bring the boxxy cancer in here!
12:02 MikeSeth strangles a voodoo doll of boxxy
12:03 horros kicks ApplicationContext in the face
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12:54 sth I hate this office
12:54 sth People laugh at me when the post man walks in
12:58 Xylakant we don't laugh at you
12:58 Xylakant we laugh with you
12:58 Xylakant you're soo incredibly negative
12:58 _cheerios :)
12:58 Xylakant we even organized english weather for you so you'd feel more at home
12:59 Xylakant cold, grey sky, drizzling rain
12:59 sth This is like middle of winter weather for the UK
13:00 Xylakant we're even going to length to make you feel like christmas time
13:00 Xylakant david is singing songs
13:00 Xylakant why can't you be happy and content for once?
13:01 Xylakant gosh, I'd yell "Interns!" now but you're not even an intern any more!
13:03 impl but he still acts like one, so it's okay
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13:05 horros Oh my. impl.
13:05 impl hai
13:05 horros I thought you disappeared off the Internet or something.
13:06 impl nope. just hibernating from #php. :P
13:08 horros Wise choice.
13:11 saracen w00, i didnt go overdrawn
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13:17 sth diaf Noah :)
13:18 impl :D
13:20 sth makes note to bring milk to the office tomorrow
13:21 sth No milk so I can't drink tea
13:26 graste <:
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13:31 saracen sth: Drink coffee like a man.
13:31 saracen Unless it's flavoured tea, then I'll allow it regardless of it not being manly
13:32 sth It's just generic twinings tea
13:32 saracen get out.
13:33 horros tea + milk = eww
13:33 Xylakant I tend to agree on that
13:33 Xylakant I prefer lemon
13:33 sth Tea is awesome
13:33 MikeSeth oh please when they turn off the lights you all WANT to be british
13:34 horros Tea in and by itself is nice every now and then.
13:34 MikeSeth complete with Big Ben, Westminster crows and 5pm tea and crumpets
13:34 Xylakant "Could I have a drop of milk in my hot water, please?"
13:34 horros But tea + milk = fail
13:34 saracen tea + milk is good =(
13:34 saracen I just prefered flavoured tea now
13:34 saracen but generic tea is still workable
13:34 sth No one has tea and crumpets at 5pm
13:35 sth It's more of a breakfast/elevensies thing
13:35 MikeSeth sth: dont ruin my stereotypes :<
13:35 sth I just gave you another one
13:35 sth "Elevensies"
13:35 saracen Yeah, we always say that
13:36 sth I did :(
13:37 saracen You did? lol, it sounds like you used to be British
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13:37 saracen "Back in the day"
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13:38 sth No one gets it in Germany, so I have to stop using it
13:39 saracen Screw that
13:39 saracen Make 'em learn it
13:39 sth Plus, no one is in the office other than me at 11 to hear it
13:40 sth "Elevensies Simon?" "Sure Simon, fab idea"
13:40 saracen supercalifrag.
13:40 saracen Who was it that said that on radio 1?
13:41 sth ur a supercalifag
13:41 saracen And you're a expialidouche
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13:42 saracen I actually applaud both of our efforts there
13:42 MikeSeth hush newfags
13:42 MikeSeth you're all mod get
13:42 saracen mod get?
13:42 sth saracen: want to team up and beat MikeSeth with baseball bats?
13:42 sth We can get them from Amazon.de
13:42 saracen sth: Only if we can pretend to be Germans
13:43 saracen Do the ones from amazon.de have nazi symbols?
13:43 sth Have you not seen the picture?
13:43 sth http://thenextweb.com/files/2009/09/amazon-freakomendation-baseballbat-600x516.p​ng
13:43 sth a screenshot from amazon.de
13:44 saracen Wait, am I missing something. Because all I see is that it's an aluminum bat
13:44 sth Look at the related items at the bottom
13:45 saracen oh lol
13:45 saracen rofl
13:45 sth "People who bought this item also bought:"
13:45 saracen yeah, thats awesome
13:45 saracen We could be total anti-jew ruffians with that kit
13:46 Xylakant I kinda loved the ebay thing more
13:46 Xylakant when you'd search for dry ice they'd offer you "weapon grade plutonium" as an alternative
13:48 Xylakant http://ptrace.fefe.de/ebay-terrorbedarf.jpg
13:50 sth That'd be a lot more funny if more than 3 people in the channel could read it :)
13:50 Xylakant well
13:50 Xylakant use google translate and your imagination
13:51 saracen It's funny anyway, because he just told us what it said ;x
13:51 sth saracen: That could say: Dry ice? Are you looking for a way to invade poland again?
13:51 sth Mind you, that's just as funny
13:51 Xylakant do you see "poland" somewhere in there?
13:51 saracen it's win win
13:51 Xylakant or anything resembling "Poland"?
13:52 sth No, but you Germans are crafty :x
13:52 Xylakant yeah
13:52 saracen I'm annoyed glockenspiel isn't on there, being the only true german word
13:52 sth We didn't see it coming the first time, so why should we see it again?
13:52 horros saracen: Don't forget "geschwindigkeitsübertretungsgeldstrafe".
13:52 Xylakant we encode secret messages in the 26 letters of the latin alphabet
13:52 sth I was in the city centre when that pile of twisted metal was moving
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13:53 Xylakant sth: it's currently sounding wrong
13:53 Xylakant well, the glockenspiel
13:53 sth If that's wrong, I'd hate to see it when it's correct.
13:53 Xylakant because they did some conservation works
13:53 saracen i mean the intrument - this happened the last time I mentioned glockenspiel
13:53 sth yup
13:53 Xylakant and obviously swapped two bells
13:54 Xylakant now they're looking for someone to blame :)
13:54 saracen Somebody swapped the bells?
13:54 sth I just darted through and went for pizza
13:54 Xylakant yes, at least that's what the newspaper headlines said
13:54 Xylakant I couldn't care less though
13:55 sth It's like replacing big ben I guess
13:55 saracen and swapping the hands around
13:55 saracen That'd be confusing
13:55 sth minute hand on the hour hand and the hour hand on the minute hand?
13:55 saracen Or the hour hand on the second
13:55 sth That'd be an awesome prank
13:56 saracen Thats if the bigben has a second hand
13:56 saracen I actually have no idea if it does
13:56 sth There is no second hand on the clock tower
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13:56 saracen Guess that'd take a lot of work :)
13:56 sth I don't think you could do it
13:56 saracen But yeah, watching hours go by every minute would be an awesome prank
13:57 sth I thought of a way
13:57 saracen I'd still like to get around to asking anybody if they've got the time at 12:00, right underneath ben
13:57 sth You need to be inside the tower to do it
13:59 saracen What we could do, is climb to the top and attach some cables. Then attach the other ends to our car with flux capacitor enabled. Drive really fast, go back in time to it's construction and ask if they can put it on the wrong way for a future prank. Then go back to the future and try to trick people, then remember that we're the only ones that know it's not suppose to be like that
13:59 saracen And have a jolly laugh.
14:00 saracen We'd also need some lightening though
14:00 Xylakant we should have an "agavi-pranks" channel
14:01 sth It'd just consist of saracen's dumb ideas
14:01 Xylakant topic could be "having fun with and without agavi"
14:01 saracen #caek
14:04 MikeSeth lol
14:05 sth saracen: that's what she said
14:06 saracen sth: Sigh. It only works when somebody else says it
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14:08 sth saracen: that's what she said
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14:09 saracen Actually, that's what you said. But going back to the tea, I suppose afterall that is what she said.
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14:22 sth screw it, coffee will do
14:22 sth brb
14:45 saracen lol
14:50 sth I just wanted something that wasn't water
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15:25 WasabiCat with the new module layout thus ( module/ config module/lib module/impl etc.) do crud-style routes still work the same way?
15:25 WasabiCat specifically the sub actions of a folder don't seem to execute
15:26 WasabiCat <route name=".product" pattern="^/(id:\d+)" action="Product">
15:26 WasabiCat <route name=".view" pattern="^$" action=".View" />
15:26 WasabiCat <route name=".edit" pattern="^/edit$" action=".Edit" />
15:26 WasabiCat product just being the folder that contains the subactions
15:27 v-dogg there is no new module layout. config has been there about forever and I think lib too
15:27 WasabiCat I mean the actions instead of being inside the actions folder there is a impl folder
15:28 v-dogg it's just that module base actions and views are not automatically generated by the agavi cli helper
15:28 WasabiCat and inside each action get it's own folder
15:29 v-dogg umm... wait what? where is impl?
15:29 v-dogg is this something new in the trunk?
15:29 WasabiCat module/impl/action1/Action.class.php
15:29 v-dogg because I just created a new project with 1.0.2RC1 today and I can't see any impl folders
15:30 WasabiCat Xylakant: layed out the project for us and said this was the new preferred folder layout
15:30 Xylakant v-dogg: they're on trunk
15:30 v-dogg roger
15:31 Xylakant WasabiCat: the module layout does not influence the routes
15:31 Xylakant it's completely independent
15:31 WasabiCat the subactions still execute the same way
15:31 WasabiCat ok good to know
15:31 WasabiCat I'm sure I'll find the reason then
15:31 v-dogg Xylakant: it's just a new convention on how to organize you code?
15:31 Xylakant yes
15:31 v-dogg alrighty then
15:31 Xylakant each action resides in it's own directory
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15:32 Xylakant with all related files such as cache and validation configs, views etc
15:32 Xylakant subactions are nested directories
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15:35 CIA-87 felix * r4304 /branches/felix-buildsystem-method-support/src/build/templates/app/modules/model​s/ModelTest.php.tmpl: fixed testcase template for module models
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16:16 CIA-87 simon * r4305 /documentation/branches/simon-topics/tutorial/step8/ (. introduction.dita): start of auth system chapter
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16:34 v-dogg hmm.. because we have all this mojavi desert / agave plants thing going on couldn't we rename the cli helpers "action-wizard" target to "action-lizard"?-)
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17:30 sth Om nom nom pasta
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18:09 _cheerios jee
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18:57 sth rofl http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/9/14/128974184367019235.jpg
19:00 _cheerios :)
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19:02 Rayne sth, meh.
19:04 sth Topci lols are always funny
19:04 sth topical*
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20:17 sth My internet connect at home has gone from 100Mbit/s to just over 1Mbit/s :/
20:18 saracen the fuck is going on
20:18 asonge is there any easy way to momentarily pass the session id into a route? flash is fucked up and won't send session cookies.
20:18 saracen I can't alt+number in irssi anymore, alt+1 and alt+letters work though
20:18 Jarda asonge: yes..
20:19 Jarda $ro->gen('foo', array('sessionid' => session_id()))
20:19 sth saracen: escape + num
20:20 asonge that require session.trans_id or something?
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20:22 saracen restarted windows, works now
20:24 sth Either all my music is awesome or Genius Mixes on itunes 9 is pretty good at picking music
20:24 Rayne windows + irssi? wth.
20:24 sth Rayne: + ssh I guess
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20:35 MikeSeth asonge: I'm quite certain flash can and does set cookies correctly, I have an app here that does that
20:35 asonge MikeSeth: it's a huge "known bug" with swfupload
20:35 asonge and it seems to be flash's fault
20:35 MikeSeth shrugs
20:36 asonge MikeSeth: ah, seems to be the FileReference.upload function only
20:36 MikeSeth then you can do what Jarda said.. or use the Agavi facilities to get the session parameters, which is really the better way
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20:37 asonge well, i have http_cookies_only on
20:37 asonge and i'm not completely familiar with the agavi internals
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20:38 MikeSeth asonge: it's always good to poke around the codebase, you learn new and exciting things that make you tear your hair and go "oh god how come I didnt know this it will save me hours of work"
20:38 asonge MikeSeth: the suckiest part of this is you get bug reports about this from idiots.
20:39 asonge so you don't know the exact issues
20:39 MikeSeth oh yeah, never falls short of that one
20:39 asonge (oh, i've done my share of finding stuff)
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21:39 _cheerios gaah. django pisses me off. why can't life be peachy in every framework on earth :<
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21:40 digitarald huomenta fellas, which php version do u suggest for production server?
21:42 _cheerios haven't tried php 5.3 in prod yet, though locally i have odd errors at times i didn't have in php 5.2; makes me want to wait till 5.3.1 a bit
21:42 _cheerios i do plan to go 5.3 asap, though
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22:06 digitarald Xylakant: which php version do u suggest for production server?
22:06 digitarald and do u know freelance php devs in south Germany?
22:06 Xylakant Depending on where you developed and tested your app 5.2.10 or 5.3
22:07 Xylakant I don't know any in southern germany but I guess I know some that would move for some period there
22:12 digitarald we tested on 5.3
22:12 digitarald but its dev
22:15 Xylakant well, but that's the environment the app was tested and known to work
22:15 Xylakant so you'd have to test again on 5.2.x
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08:41 sth Morning
08:51 simoncpu huomenta
08:51 simoncpu how do you guys solve a problem where a specific view
08:51 simoncpu needs something in the header?
08:51 simoncpu i mean, <head>
08:58 graste the cheap way would be to set a global request attribute, that you use in the decorator/head slot as the decorator slots are rendered after the main view and its slots
08:59 graste but you have to be careful with your fragment caching then, as you have to cache this attribute (as it otherwise would be los in the cached version of the page)
09:00 Xylakant simoncpu: if you're on trunk you should set a response attribute
09:00 Xylakant that works nicely with fragment caching
09:01 Xylakant if you're on 1.0 you can set the attribute in the view's initialize method
09:01 simoncpu yikes, i think i still need to read about it
09:01 simoncpu i'm using 1.0
09:01 simoncpu i've just set an attribute in the view
09:01 Xylakant the initialize method is always called, even on a cached view
09:01 simoncpu but passing HTML from the view doesn't feel... right
09:02 Xylakant what kind of html are you passing?
09:02 simoncpu basically, i need to insert external javascript and css files =)
09:09 Xylakant well, just set the list of required files in a request attribute
09:09 Xylakant do the html generation in the decorator template
09:11 graste when do we get response attributes in a release?
09:11 graste :>
09:11 sth stabs the Munich weather
09:12 graste is waiting for them... :)
09:12 sth haha http://www.derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/
09:13 sth Read the top image
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09:52 shrink0r huomenta
10:15 Xylakant http://lisa.soup.io/post/26980658/achievement-unlocked
10:15 Xylakant for all the nerds out there
10:15 Xylakant not for wombert though
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10:34 v-dogg Xylakant: I just found something I reckon is a bug, do you concur?
10:34 MikeSeth I concur
10:34 MikeSeth it's definitely a bug
10:34 MikeSeth but maybe not
10:34 graste oh noes
10:34 MikeSeth maybe you should tell first
10:34 MikeSeth :P
10:34 v-dogg slaps MikeSeth
10:34 v-dogg stfu jew
10:34 MikeSeth no u
10:34 v-dogg I would if you'd stop messing about :)
10:35 v-dogg if I have an empty action cache config ( xml generated by the cli helper) and my action::execute doesn't return anything, an empty cache file
10:35 v-dogg is generated
10:35 v-dogg by empty I mean: it does nothing
10:36 v-dogg a:3:{s:9:"view_name";N;s:11:"view_module";N;s:17:"action_attributes";a:0:{}}
10:36 v-dogg and I get a blank page
10:37 v-dogg blank page is of course expected but the cache file is a bit nasty
10:37 v-dogg took a while to figure out why the action is not run (when I had added the missing "return 'Success'"
10:38 Jarda i had this also
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11:23 Xylakant v-dogg: that's expected behavior I'd say
11:24 Xylakant hmm, still interesting
11:24 Xylakant the viewname returned is null
11:24 Xylakant and the views to cache are null as well
11:25 Xylakant well well. please file a ticket, I guess that's something we need to discuss
11:25 v-dogg roger
11:25 Jarda Xylakant: why does it create the cache file?
11:25 Jarda if no caching for the module/action is specified?
11:25 Xylakant well
11:26 Xylakant it's implicitly specified to cache the view named "null"
11:26 Xylakant and the action returns "null"
11:26 Xylakant that's how that happens probably
11:26 Xylakant but I agree, that should not happen
11:26 Jarda of course this is only a problem during dev and now when I know this might happen I know where to look..
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11:47 splatch hello :)
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12:11 _cheerios MikeSeth, they fixed lisp! http://www.genyris.com/
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13:11 Xylakant http://asset.soup.io/asset/0462/1960_0cd3.jpeg
13:12 Xylakant I want one
13:12 Xylakant we could place that in the hall
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13:22 _cheerios i like it
13:28 MikeSeth _cheerios: it was never broken!
13:29 MikeSeth oh
13:29 MikeSeth so they strip the outer parens
13:29 MikeSeth that's such an old and dumb idea
13:29 MikeSeth emacs can do that, no speshul interpretorz needed
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13:34 bobbytek huomenta :)
13:34 bobbytek is there a more efficient way to express: $user['birth_date'] = $this->formatDate(isset($user['birth_date']) ? $user['birth_date'] : null);
13:35 MikeSeth does formatDate() accept null at all?
13:35 MikeSeth $_b = & $user['birth_date'];
13:36 MikeSeth no actually wtf
13:36 bobbytek yes, it does
13:36 MikeSeth you can just do $user['birth_date'] = $this->formatDate($user['birth_date'])
13:36 bobbytek I'm getting an error on that
13:36 _cheerios rtard conditional code, my guess
13:36 bobbytek [Sun Sep 6 19:17:17 2009] [error] PHP Notice: Undefined index: start_date in /data/web/smn/app/modules/Default/models/UsersModel.class.php on line 104
13:37 v-dogg what is $this->formatDate() ?
13:37 bobbytek just a wrapper function
13:37 bobbytek private function formatDate($value) {
13:37 bobbytek if ($value === null) {
13:37 bobbytek return null;
13:37 bobbytek }
13:37 bobbytek return date('m/d/Y', strtotime($value));
13:37 bobbytek }
13:37 bobbytek sorry for the paste, but it's small :)
13:37 Xylakant bobbytek: but you get an undefined index error on a completely different array key
13:38 bobbytek oops, well it's the same style
13:38 bobbytek $user['start_date'] = $this->formatDate(isset($user['start_date']) ? $user['start_date'] : null);
13:38 bobbytek now
13:38 Xylakant well
13:38 bobbytek was like $user['start_date'] = $this->formatDate($user['start_date'])
13:38 Xylakant if the index is not set then you can't pass it
13:39 bobbytek so why was that just suggested ?
13:39 _cheerios @ hiding bad code since 1999
13:39 Xylakant you're not passing null
13:39 bobbytek by MikeSeth
13:39 Xylakant ask mike, i didn't suggest it
13:39 bobbytek heh
13:40 bobbytek it's a php notice, so I shouldn't be that worried right?
13:40 MikeSeth bobbytek: $user['birth_date'] = $this->formatDate(isset($user['birth_date']) ? $user['birth_date'] : null) is wrong and if it were right it'd be equivalent of $user['birth_date'] = $this->formatDate($user['birth_date']) for both null and not null
13:40 Xylakant always program with strict errors on and eliminate all notices
13:40 bobbytek okay, so what is the correct way here?
13:40 v-dogg php notices are always something to worry about
13:40 Xylakant MikeSeth: it isn't when the key is not set
13:40 _cheerios initialize your variables with null defaults
13:41 bobbytek ah, i c
13:41 bobbytek sorry, I'm coming from java / groovy here
13:41 bobbytek I still don't understand why they are equivalent
13:41 bobbytek isset($user['birth_date']) will get a notice if null?
13:42 MikeSeth Xylakant: but then you allow two distinct null values
13:42 bobbytek then what's the point of isset?
13:42 MikeSeth bobbytek: to poke a variable that might be uninitialized
13:43 Xylakant MikeSeth: I fail to get your point
13:43 Xylakant the key might not be set in an incoming data array
13:43 bobbytek so this doesn't work with associative array access?
13:43 Xylakant which is not the same as being set to null
13:43 bobbytek how come ever other language this is valid
13:44 Xylakant bobbytek: it does work
13:44 bobbytek to access a key that might not be defined
13:44 CIA-87 simon * r4306 /documentation/branches/simon-topics/tutorial/step8/introduction.dita: Added user auth chapter
13:44 Xylakant it checks if the key is defined in the array
13:44 bobbytek what does $a[$key] return if key doesn't exist?
13:44 bobbytek null or undefined?
13:44 bobbytek and why does it notice?
13:45 Xylakant false
13:45 MikeSeth bobbytek: in PHP null acts as JS undefined
13:45 Xylakant isset returns false on keys that are set to null or not set at all
13:46 MikeSeth for example $foo = 0; isset() will return true
13:46 MikeSeth $foo = null; isset() will return false
13:46 Xylakant php > $arr = array('foo' => null);
13:46 Xylakant php > var_dump(isset($arr['foo']));
13:46 Xylakant bool(false)
13:46 Xylakant php > var_dump(isset($arr['bar']));
13:46 Xylakant bool(false)
13:46 Xylakant php >
13:46 MikeSeth isset() also won't yield a notice if you are probing a non-existent variable or array member
13:46 bobbytek but why does access in general?
13:47 bobbytek why is there any precondition to accesss?
13:47 bobbytek that just seems like wacky semantics
13:47 bobbytek that's too DBC for me
13:47 MikeSeth bobbytek: durr, start_date?
13:47 MikeSeth probably a bug in your code
13:47 sth Now to add to a previous chapter...
13:47 bobbytek $user = $stmt->fetch(PDO::FETCH_ASSOC); is the preceding call
13:47 MikeSeth sth: I am glad you are improving my writings :P
13:47 bobbytek how is that a bug?
13:47 sth MikeSeth: heh
13:47 bobbytek I am suppose to explicitly null everything???
13:48 sth MikeSeth: I even added a chapter :)
13:48 bobbytek that just seems like busy work
13:48 MikeSeth bobbytek: so if the column is null then isset() on it will return false, and operating on it in read context will return a notice
13:48 bobbytek why!
13:48 Xylakant bobbytek: access to an not existing array key is an error
13:48 bobbytek what is the rationale?
13:48 Xylakant it yields a notice
13:48 bobbytek that's silly
13:48 Xylakant no it isn't
13:48 bobbytek what other languages have such a feature?
13:49 bobbytek for associative arrays
13:49 MikeSeth not really, PHP isn't a strongly typed language and you can easily make a mistake and refer to members that do not exist
13:49 bobbytek it doesn't follow the principle of least surprise
13:49 sth bobbytek: It makes sense to check if you can use something before you use it
13:49 bobbytek not for a hash
13:49 bobbytek for ordinally indexed arrays, yes
13:49 MikeSeth bobbytek: what the notice really does is forcing you to do if(isset($foo)) then something($foo)
13:49 MikeSeth bobbytek: but PHP arrays aren't hashes
13:50 MikeSeth they're a half-assed mix of indexed arrays and dictionaries
13:50 bobbytek associative arrays then
13:50 bobbytek maybe that's the problem then
13:50 MikeSeth and yes, you do have to do it
13:50 bobbytek a bastard object model
13:50 MikeSeth consider this
13:50 MikeSeth $array('x' => 1, 'y' => null)
13:50 MikeSeth now what would $array['x'] + $array['y'] evaluate to?
13:51 MikeSeth PHP doesnt have an undefined type
13:51 sth Xylakant: I guess there's no weekly meeting today since David isn't here.
13:51 MikeSeth so what you get is notice and a null
13:51 bobbytek that makes sense though
13:52 Xylakant it
13:52 bobbytek so what am I suppose to do here:
13:52 Xylakant it's important in cases where you'd like to access nested array
13:52 bobbytek $user = $stmt->fetch(PDO::FETCH_ASSOC);
13:52 bobbytek I get all columns
13:52 bobbytek should I inspect each one with isset?
13:52 bobbytek and set to null if not set?
13:52 Xylakant you need to check whether the key is set and act accordingly
13:52 bobbytek is this the best practice?
13:52 Xylakant you can also suppress the notice
13:53 Xylakant that's a bit slower and might introduce errors
13:53 bobbytek to prevent the notice downstream?
13:53 bobbytek but since it's not fatal, I shouldn't be too concerned?
13:53 Xylakant you can use @$arr['key'] which will evaluate to null
13:53 Xylakant in case the key is not set
13:54 bobbytek <_cheerios> initialize your variables with null defaults
13:54 Xylakant it's sometimes useful if you're absolutely certain that the notice means nothing
13:54 bobbytek ah nice!
13:54 Xylakant but usually explicit checking is better
13:54 bobbytek I forgot about that
13:54 bobbytek it suppresses the notice right?
13:54 bobbytek @expre
13:54 Xylakant i'd go for the explicit check in at least 95% of all cases
13:55 bobbytek what about this case?
13:55 bobbytek $user['birth_date'] = $this->formatDate(isset($user['birth_date']) ? $user['birth_date'] : null);
13:55 Xylakant i'd go for the explicit check
13:55 bobbytek like that?
13:55 Xylakant yes, probably
13:55 bobbytek k, cool :)
13:55 Xylakant it depends on the surrounding code
13:55 bobbytek well, it just gets called after the other line above
13:56 bobbytek basically the formatDate is just encapsulating the date format
13:58 bobbytek so just do be clear, @$x is always valid and it will produce null when $x is not set?
14:02 Xylakant yes
14:02 Xylakant and you won't have a notice sticking it's head up to warn you that you just mistyped a varname
14:03 Xylakant which is not unlikely
14:03 E_mE Xylakant: thats a new one for me, personally i'd use isset(), what if the functionality become not correct behaviour in future releases?
14:03 Xylakant why would that?
14:04 E_mE well since $pet['cats'] throws a warning why wouldn't @$pet['cats'] not do in the future?
14:04 Xylakant @ suppresses the error reporting on every statement
14:04 E_mE or is it due to it pointing to null?
14:04 Xylakant i somewhat doubt they'll remove that in a future release
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14:04 MikeSeth er um
14:05 bobbytek but it also makes it null, correct?
14:05 Xylakant the value of $pet['cats'] is always null if the key is not set
14:05 bobbytek oh
14:05 bobbytek that I didn't know
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14:05 E_mE Xylakant: but yes you get a warning don't you?
14:05 Xylakant yes
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14:06 MikeSeth you cant/shouldnt initialize array members to null
14:06 E_mE just wondering why @$pet['cats'] doesn't ... but i'm guessing its because its requesting the pointer which is pointing no where
14:06 MikeSeth 13:54 <bobbytek> <_cheerios> initialize your variables with null defaults
14:06 MikeSeth this i mean
14:06 MikeSeth _cheerios was wrong
14:06 MikeSeth isset() would still return false on a null field
14:07 MikeSeth the answer is that if a field CAN be null then you shouldnt do any operations on it without making sure its not null
14:07 MikeSeth hence the notice
14:07 Xylakant MikeSeth: no
14:07 MikeSeth which forces you to do if (isset())
14:07 Xylakant the notice is an index access to an index that's not set
14:07 Xylakant accessing an index that's set to null does not throw a notice
14:07 MikeSeth mst@holocat:~$ php -r '$foo[bar] = null; var_dump(isset($foo[bar]));'
14:07 MikeSeth bool(false)
14:07 MikeSeth ah
14:07 MikeSeth the notice
14:08 Xylakant it's not about the null value
14:08 Xylakant it's about the notice
14:08 MikeSeth yeah I got it
14:08 bobbytek isset($foo[bar])
14:08 bobbytek so that expression is deferred some how?
14:08 MikeSeth bobbytek: isset() doesnt throw notices
14:08 bobbytek ah
14:08 bobbytek i see its value now :)
14:09 Xylakant E_mE: why @$pets['cat']; doesn't throw a notice?
14:09 Xylakant because a preceding '@
14:09 Xylakant suppresses all error reporting
14:09 MikeSeth and is very slow
14:10 Xylakant yes
14:10 Xylakant I mentioned that above :)
14:10 bobbytek very?
14:10 E_mE is that because it assumes that it can't be a notice report since @pet['cats'] is infact a null pointer
14:10 E_mE point to nowhere
14:10 Xylakant there are no pointers in php
14:10 MikeSeth E_mE: it doesnt work like that internally, there isn't really a pointer
14:10 E_mE reference then
14:10 Xylakant it's not a reference either
14:11 E_mE what would you call it?
14:11 Xylakant it's just an unset array index
14:11 Xylakant it's like accessing an undefined variable
14:11 Xylakant php > $foo = null;
14:11 Xylakant php > var_dump($foo);
14:11 Xylakant NULL
14:11 Xylakant php > var_dump(isset($foo));
14:11 Xylakant bool(false)
14:11 Xylakant php > var_dump($bar);
14:11 Xylakant PHP Notice: Undefined variable: bar in php shell code on line 1
14:11 Xylakant Notice: Undefined variable: bar in php shell code on line 1
14:11 Xylakant NULL
14:11 Xylakant php > var_dump(isset($bar));
14:11 Xylakant bool(false)
14:11 Xylakant php >
14:11 Xylakant it behaves the same way
14:11 MikeSeth E_mE: internally its stacks and hash tables
14:11 bobbytek thanks for the explanation guys!
14:12 E_mE MikeSeth: is there any documentation/site that goes deeper into that?
14:13 E_mE thanks Xylakant & MikeSeth :)
14:13 MikeSeth E_mE: what the zend internals?
14:14 E_mE yeah, if possible
14:14 MikeSeth well theres some documentation on it at php.net
14:14 MikeSeth but if you want to play with lowlevel platforms look at tamarin
14:14 MikeSeth im hacking on avm2 right now
14:15 MikeSeth its kinda awesome
14:15 E_mE cheers, ill note it down :)
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15:51 saracen Why is it that the request data gets passed to the methods in an action? ;x
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16:04 E_mE saracen: what do you mean sorry?
16:09 saracen executeRead($rd) execute($rd) validate($rd)
16:10 saracen Why doesn't agavi just do: $action->setRequestData($rd)
16:10 saracen and then we access it via $this->rd->getParameter('');
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16:18 E_mE saracen: thats a fair point..
16:18 E_mE but what about functions that don't require the $rd parameter, then it will be set in the Action class when not needec
16:18 E_mE d
16:19 E_mE and maybe could consider it a slight security risk or more complicated code by performing ->setRequestData() in some circumstances if im thinking correctly
16:20 E_mE not security risk to the end user, but if you want to implement a clearly defined barrier between what/what can't access the data
16:20 E_mE and parameter allow you to very simply forward on the data rather then creating a little more code to accomidate it ... just a thought
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16:23 E_mE saracen: what do you think?
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16:30 saracen E_mE: I think you can always access the data via $this->container->getRequestData(). That's where the request data actually is, then it passed by reference to like the validation manage, the actions methods etc. So while the barrier is more visual using the current method (Like, I know I shouldnt access the requestdata in getCredential() - I still could if I wanted to).
16:30 saracen manager*
16:33 E_mE saracen: guess the visual aspect as you describe i performed for that very reason, to steer people to using the data correctly from the start
16:33 E_mE -i +is
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17:02 luke` I can't read files uploaded on windows. The code works fine on mac and linux. But on windows I get an error "Warning:fopen(C:Sandboxxampptmpphp506C.tmp) failed to open stream no such file or directory ... AgaviUploadedFile.class.php line 166
17:02 luke` so the directory separater is getting stripped
17:03 v-dogg some f..ed up magic quotes thing?
17:05 luke` v-dogg: any idea on how to fix it?
17:05 v-dogg I'm just guessing here. do you have magic quotes on?
17:14 luke` I need get the client on the phone to figure that one out
17:16 v-dogg all these xampp etc. bundles are known to have weird setups
17:17 Jarda xampp...
17:17 Jarda why on earth would someone use that..
17:18 Jarda or wampp or similar.. php on windows is just a) install apache with wizard b) unzip php c) edit httpd.conf (add php handler and module) d) edit php.ini e) done
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17:26 luke` http://pastebin.com/d6b55011a <- php.ini
17:28 v-dogg it's really just a shot in the dark but try disabling magic_quotes_gpc
17:29 v-dogg it cannot be it though...
17:29 luke` that's what I just suggested to him
17:30 luke` v-dogg: I think that did it
17:33 v-dogg ok then :)
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18:26 jpdery hi
18:26 jpdery does anyone is familiar with this : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1017599/how-do-i-remove-accents-from-characte​rs-in-a-php-string
18:27 jpdery which means problems translating a string from UTF8 to ASCII//TRANSLIT
18:27 jpdery éèàç... translates to ?
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18:52 digitarald jpdery: doctrine has a helper for it
18:53 digitarald I guess u want it for slugs
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18:53 jpdery nop, only to transform a simple search query
18:53 jpdery unless "slugs" is exacly that
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18:57 digitarald jpdery: I have the link for doctrine source
18:58 digitarald http://trac.doctrine-project.org/browser/branches/1.2/lib/Doctrine/Inflector.php​#L106
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20:28 Rayne o hai interwebs
20:28 sth O hai
20:30 _cheerios hai-o
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20:56 sth I ordered the XKCD book
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20:59 Rayne epic win sth :)
20:59 sth I got the signed version
21:00 Rayne congratz!
21:00 sth Shame about the postage: 5-7 weeks
21:01 Rayne meh :/
21:05 _cheerios yer, i ordered new books from amazon again... in a few years i'll have a room full of books i've not read. the anticipation.
21:08 saracen I just bought the signed copy too. Already got some signed posters
21:09 sth It's a real shame about the shipping :/
21:09 saracen yeah
21:09 saracen When did this go live anyway?
21:09 sth today
21:10 saracen Good job you mentioned it :)
21:10 sth yup
21:10 saracen ty :)
21:11 sth yw
21:11 sth the signed copy is only available today
21:12 saracen Yeah, thats awesome. I don't think I've speedbought something so quickly
21:12 saracen at least not in a long time :)
21:13 sth heh
21:16 sth It'll be a surprise when the damn thing arrives
21:16 sth I'd have forgot it in 5 weeks
21:42 saracen I think my posters said the same, and they arrived in about 2 or so
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21:46 sth iplayer sucks ass
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04:53 neubian grrrrrrrrrr @TurboIRC
04:54 neubian OK, so I posted this question earlier, and to my surprise, TurboIRC doesn't give you any significant notice of a disconnect
04:54 neubian apologies if it has already been answered
04:54 neubian I'm very new to actually using Agavi, and I'm trying to use $rd->getParameter('HTTP_HOST') in the construct for a module's BaseAction -- because I want the resulting variables to be available to the actions of this module
04:55 neubian but I first got an error that $rd wasn't an object, so then I tried 'public function __construct(AgaviRequestDataHolder $rd) { ' and now I'm getting "Catchable fatal error" blahBaseAction::__construct() must be an instance of AgaviRequestDataHolder, none given, called in /path/to/Agavi/Controller.php
04:55 neubian My approach may be wrong entirely, so feel free to advise something different. Thanks.
04:58 Jarda you don't use construct, but you use initialize
04:58 Jarda wait a sec
05:00 Jarda public function initialize(AgaviExecutionContainer $container) then you call parent::initialize($container) and you have your context within you can access to request-data
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05:04 impl neubian: you should get that value from the routing, anyway
05:06 impl unless it's not in there. which seems like a possibility *sigh*
05:23 neubian impl, I'm getting that variable by setting it in validation.xml from the "server" source
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05:39 v-dogg there are so many things wrong there :)
05:39 v-dogg 1. you can't just make up arguments for methods called by Agavi
05:40 v-dogg 2. headers are not in 'parameters', they are headers - use $rd->getHeader('Host');
05:41 v-dogg 3. like all input, headers too need to be validated. otherwise they are not available in $rd (unless you tweak the validation mode but that's a big no no)
05:42 v-dogg 4. not sure if you even can access request data in action::initialize but you shouldn't anyway. validate it and access it in myaction::execute[Read|Write] via $rd
05:48 neubian v-dogg, if there are some variables that must be determined based on the HTTP_HOST and then used by every action in a module, where would you put the common code and then how would you call it? I was assuming (key word here) that the parent class of the module's actions would be the ideal place for said logic. But again, I'm new.
05:52 v-dogg quick and dirty method is put the validator for the header in MyModule/config/validators.xml (and make sure every actions' validation xml has it as a parent) and write parseHeadersAndDoStuff() into MyModule/lib/action/MyBaseAction
05:53 v-dogg and then call that method from your actions' execute
05:57 neubian "make sure every action' validation xml has it as a parent" --- this is throwing me. I just assumed the Agavi handled this when it was contained in the same module
05:59 v-dogg by default it does - if you created your actions using the cli helper your action validation configs have <ae:configurations ... parent="%core.module_dir%/Default/config/validators.xml">
06:00 v-dogg which means modules "general" validation config is also loaded
06:00 neubian yes, I'm _trying_ to keep it straight forward
06:01 neubian I used the agavi cmd to create all modules and actions
06:02 v-dogg good
06:27 neubian can someone point me do a more in-depth explanation of the validators.xml file -- preferably somewhere that explains more options than just the example in the tutorial ?
06:29 v-dogg there isn't that much to it really
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06:30 v-dogg it contains <validators> (validator group) and <validator> (validator instance)
06:30 v-dogg each validator has <arguments> <parameters> and <errors> (you can omit plurals and just use <argument> <parameter> etc. too)
06:31 v-dogg what parameters are needed depends on the validator
06:31 neubian Tom Eastep, who writes and maintiains "Shorewall" firewall has an excellent email signature: Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool. I'm that fool for today, because I've broken it.
06:31 v-dogg validator group can have a method name too
06:31 v-dogg <validators method="write"><!--- only for POST'ed data -->
06:32 neubian how about "source"
06:32 neubian attribute to the validator tag ?
06:32 v-dogg yes
06:32 neubian is that the variable name ?
06:33 v-dogg no, it's the input source like parameters, headers or cookies
06:33 neubian ok, so if the incoming source is http get what's the corresponding value for "source"
06:33 v-dogg parameter/cookie/header name is <attribute>
06:34 neubian I changed it from "post" to "get" and caught an error
06:34 neubian well, I received an error
06:35 v-dogg post=write, get=read
06:35 v-dogg check out that faq
06:35 v-dogg and the agavi tutorial
06:35 v-dogg and then http://blog.veikko.fi/post/68983308/agavi-tip-validation-gotchas
06:39 neubian v-dogg, congrats on the baby girl btw -- mine is 16 months old now. She'll completely steal your heart once she starts laughing (which will be a while)
06:41 neubian babies aren't fun at first
06:41 neubian I'm getting "Unknown source "read" specified in validator 4ab087bae81c69.09011795"
06:42 v-dogg source = parameters/headers/cookies
06:42 v-dogg what you are looking for is method
06:43 v-dogg <09:31 < v-dogg> validator group can have a method name too
06:43 v-dogg 09:31 < v-dogg> <validators method="write"><!--- only for POST'ed data -->
06:43 neubian I'm going to blame that one on the face that I'm on GMT-4 and it's 2:44am here
06:44 v-dogg maybe you should upgrade your timezone to + versions
06:44 v-dogg I recommend +2
06:45 neubian I'd be happy with -10 in Hawaii
06:48 v-dogg where are you now?
06:48 neubian Atlanta, GA
06:49 v-dogg ok
06:49 neubian warm, but no coastline within 5 hours of driving
07:04 v-dogg neubian: in case you dont' follow the users mailing list, here's more reading for you: http://blog.veikko.fi/post/189176770/a-great-article-series-on-agavi
07:05 neubian I'm subscribed, but most of my work is sysadmin work, so I'm a part-time php'er at best
07:05 neubian I rarely keep up with reading the mailing list
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07:13 _cheerios huomenta
07:18 neubian oh, ya, David just sent that
07:25 _cheerios Q: is publishing alpha-stage open source ok, or should open source be well-documented at (first) release?
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07:36 graste huomenta
07:42 sth Morning
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08:16 saracen Yay, credit card application went through :D
08:17 sth yay
08:17 sth That reminds me, I need to send mine in
08:18 v-dogg gimme the number, I'll make sure it works
08:19 saracen lol
08:19 _cheerios :)
08:20 simoncpu aaaaaaaaaargh
08:20 sth err me too
08:20 saracen I already have one, but throughout the credit crunch been trying to apply for others, and they just wouldn't have it =(
08:20 simoncpu why did i reply to the list?
08:20 simoncpu aaaaaaaargh
08:20 simoncpu is blushing
08:20 saracen simoncpu: I don't know, but I found it funny.
08:20 saracen pimping yourself out yo
08:20 saracen I think somebody should do it for free, because thats how the world should work.
08:21 _cheerios :)
08:25 sth http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/browse_thread/thread/bb1542265e18aceb
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08:26 simoncpu aaaaaaaaaargh
08:32 _cheerios you upped the chances of being the only bid, though -- with that "this one's mine!" reply
08:33 neubian it was a snappy response simoncpu :)
08:34 saracen thinks we should set up agavi samaritans for doing this SOS stuff out of the goodness of our hearts.
08:35 v-dogg saracen: why aren't you offering to do this then?-)
08:36 v-dogg and I think this channel and the mailing list does quite a lot of samaritan work already :)
08:36 neubian hey, I'm billing some $ for the project (very obvious to me now that I'm not billing enough). It would be greedy to not share.
08:37 saracen v-dogg: I would do if there was others involved :)
08:38 v-dogg do it with simoncpu but let him take the cash :p
08:39 v-dogg or donate your share to BT ;)
08:39 saracen I wouldn't mind doing that actually, as long as they consider me somebody not to actually rely on to get the project done, and purely just an additional helper. ;)
08:40 saracen ie. I'll help, not work ;)
08:41 neubian here's a sample of the app: http://samples.advancedopen.com/agavi-users.html
08:46 neubian more attractive, less attractive?
08:47 sth BX needs money for beer.
08:48 saracen neubian: Looks fine to me, plus would probably be easy to change the looks if need be once it's done
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08:58 neubian it already has changed a bit. I don't think there is any style info in the HTML page. I really did my best to make it scriptable.
08:59 neubian I've got to get to bed guys. I'll be back on here in about 6 hours.
09:01 _cheerios http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090915/tsc-helsinki-tackles-rabbit-menace-by-fe-b1​f5339.html
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09:46 v-dogg poor bunnies :¨(
09:46 v-dogg ;)
09:46 sth There's a lot of rozzers floating around the office today.
09:50 neubian how can I get the error view to output error messages
09:51 v-dogg validation errors?
09:51 neubian no, errors in the action
09:52 v-dogg action: $this->setAttribute('error_message');, template: echo htmlspecialchars($t['error_message'])
09:53 v-dogg or what kind of errors are you talking about?
09:54 Jarda if you are taljing about php-errors then you should make your own errorpage
09:54 Jarda which should have nothing to do with agavi
09:56 neubian probably php errors, but it's sorta hard to troubleshoot when I can't see the errors
09:56 Jarda check your php ini error_reporting and display_errors
09:56 Jarda agavi doesn't hide your errors
09:57 v-dogg and make sure you return a view name from the action :)
09:57 neubian hmmmm
09:57 v-dogg and always the first thing to do when something goes weird is to clear the cache :)
09:57 neubian I think it's these facebook libs
10:07 neubian development=true clears it every time, right?
10:09 v-dogg debug=true, yes
10:09 v-dogg the default environment is called "development" and it has debug=true (settings.xml)
10:20 neubian would validation cause the view to go to error?
10:20 v-dogg yes
10:20 neubian forgive me, at this point I've been up 24 hours
10:21 v-dogg AgaviAction::handleError() returns 'Error'
10:21 neubian k, v-dogg, can I get some kind of output on what validation is catching
10:21 v-dogg you can override it with your own if you want to use some other view
10:22 v-dogg retrieve validation manager from the container ($container in the template or $this->getContainer() in the view). all the info is there
10:23 v-dogg OR you can use FormPopulationFilter to inject error messages into your html form automatically
10:23 v-dogg which is of course better if you are building some ajax stuff might not work for you
10:24 v-dogg http://agavi.org/apidocs/ <- validator/AgaviValidationManager API docs
10:24 E_mE sth: why do you think iplayer sucks?
10:25 sth Is this where I find you made it? :P
10:25 sth It sucks at buffering
10:25 E_mE hehehe :P
10:25 sth Did you?
10:25 E_mE really, i don't tend to have problems with it
10:26 E_mE no I did
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10:26 E_mE didn\t
10:26 E_mE grrr
10:26 E_mE Didn't*
10:26 E_mE are you proxying iplayer though sth?
10:26 E_mE since you are in ze germanz land
10:26 sth yeah, but through a university server
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10:26 sth So it bw isn't an issue with the proxy
10:27 E_mE weird, I proxied to my UK server from france and it ran nicely
10:28 sth I think it's my home connection that's the issue
10:28 sth It's been really dodgy recently
10:29 E_mE maybe if you got time later you could try testing via my server see if it still happens?
10:29 saracen iplayer was taking ages to buffer last night
10:29 sth E_mE: Sure
10:29 saracen I assumed they just had problems
10:29 sth saracen: maybe
10:29 sth It was ok at the weekend for the f1
10:30 E_mE sth: just hit me up this evening
10:30 sth will do
10:30 sth I wouldn't mind a UK based server instead of my US one
10:31 E_mE well you can't use the server for dodgy activity sth
10:31 sth :/
10:31 sth I use mine for torrents atm
10:32 E_mE its a server which i use for hosting as well, don't want its IP address smeared in shit
10:32 sth Oh no, I wasn't on about using your server
10:32 sth I mean moving my dedicated server to the UK
10:32 E_mE ah see, well i recommend Rapid Switch, thats who im with, 100mbit connection dedicated server for about £60/mth
10:33 E_mE but £60 is quite a bit unless you have a method of claiming it back via a site or so
10:33 sth Nope
10:34 sth I normally just use my freelance work to pay for it
10:34 E_mE nice
10:35 sth I don't do a massive amount of freelance work, but it pays for my webhosting
10:37 sth rapid switches site lies
10:38 E_mE sth: how come?
10:39 sth Oh maybe not
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10:39 sth It claims to have servers for £60 as a quadcore, but none of their servers have £60 :P
10:39 E_mE heh
10:40 E_mE even if they did have £60, you'd never be able to retrieve it anyhow
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11:02 MikeSeth1 hurr durr
11:02 MikeSeth1 pidgin
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12:05 E_mE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PTS0_s0moc
12:09 sth that's a crap viral video
12:14 _cheerios heh @ sideways part
12:15 sth Renault will not dispute allegations of race-fixing as team principal Flavio Briatore quits the team.
12:15 sth eek
12:20 luke` Having trouble executing an action from the console. I keep hitting the 404. But when accessing the same action via the web context it works
12:21 luke` http://pastebin.com/d699904fc
12:23 _cheerios CNN in 2007, single day: 6 million hits/minute. ~10GB/s outbound traffic. // from a scaling Apache talk.
12:24 _cheerios Renault pwned?
12:24 sth yup
12:24 sth No idea what the punishment is yet
12:25 sth Probably a heavy fine and kicked out for a season or two would be my guess
12:27 _cheerios i read Rosberg was moving to Renault for next season? That'd be a bit problematic then :)
12:28 sth yup
12:28 _cheerios or the latest gossip was: Räikkönen -> Mercedes, Alonso -> Ferrari, Rosberg -> Renault, iirc
12:28 sth We wont finnd out for a couple of days
12:29 sth And Mercedes buying a part of Brawn
12:37 _cheerios "all software becomes legacy as soon as its written" FFFFUUUUU!!!
12:40 MikeSeth1 you figure this NOW?
12:46 _cheerios me throws some holy bits on previous legacy comment
12:47 _cheerios MikeSeth reading the pragmatic programmer, was one of the cool quotes in the book
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13:27 WasabiCat huomenta
13:28 WasabiCat I'm having trouble executing subactions. Is there a flag somewhere that needs to be set somewhere to turn them on?
13:29 sth nope
13:29 sth You just do foo.bar for the action name in the build tool
13:30 v-dogg what kind of troubles are you having? action is not found or what?
13:30 WasabiCat no error message
13:30 WasabiCat they simply don't execute
13:30 sth Does it generate the files?
13:31 WasabiCat it is the first time I'm doing it though, so it's probably a simple mistake
13:31 v-dogg nothing is executed?
13:31 v-dogg you get a blank page?
13:31 WasabiCat yes
13:31 WasabiCat I didn't use the build tool to build them however
13:31 WasabiCat did it manually
13:32 WasabiCat is this the problem perhaps?
13:32 v-dogg you can do everything manually too but this is exactly why you shouldn't :)
13:33 v-dogg do you have execute() in the action?
13:33 v-dogg does it return a view name?
13:33 WasabiCat yes
13:33 WasabiCat v-dogg: let me try with the build tool first
13:33 v-dogg might be the easiest way
13:34 WasabiCat yes that was it
13:35 WasabiCat thanks alot
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14:33 hzilla hey when passing parameters into a slot, does the slot need to validate each parameter if its not a simple slot?
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14:35 Xylakant yes
14:36 Xylakant simple mode deactivates validation since there's no way to access the global request parameters
14:36 Xylakant in any other case all standard validation rules apply
14:40 hzilla ok thansk
14:46 hzilla and is it possible or advisable to pass doctrine objects into a slot? If so then how to validate?
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15:01 MikeSeth1 hzilla: pass them as arguments?
15:01 MikeSeth1 hzilla: I usually pass around serialized versions ($obj->toArray())
15:02 MikeSeth1 easier to work with and immutable - you can't do $obj->save() by accident or trigger unwanted listeners etc
15:02 fnordfish1 hzilla: wont recommend to pass ORMs around anywhere. you should consider wrapping the informations you are interested into some AgaviModels - to separate database-strunkture and application-structure. Anyway, you may write an own Validator for your Object, say an ArticleValidator, which accepts either an article-id or ArticleObject. Your ArticleValidator may export the (new) ArticleObject, so your Action/View has less to
15:02 MikeSeth1 fnordfish1: yep, I do that
15:02 MikeSeth1 though in some cases it makes sense to do the mapping in routing callbacks, not validation
15:04 MikeSeth1 hzilla: across actions btw its best to pass a single identifier
15:04 fnordfish1 MikeSeth1: yep, could become some handy when changing URL-layouts ...
15:04 MikeSeth1 otherwise if you take code that e.g. passes the object to a forward container and change it so that the action is called by the browser directly then you are in for some nasty surprises
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15:05 fnordfish1 however, i would leave the validation part to a validator - makes combinations easer
15:05 MikeSeth1 fnordfish1: yeah, but routing can reject match and return 404
15:05 MikeSeth1 during validation it's too late, you have to resort to hacks
15:06 MikeSeth1 (and you can have fallthrough stuff too)
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15:07 fnordfish1 i know. but its a place i would look for validation - kind of " would a new developer gues is right"
15:10 saracen Why is everybody *1
15:10 saracen I say everybody
15:10 saracen but really, i mean you two
15:11 impl wat
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15:11 sth1 like this? :P
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15:12 saracen yeah, exactly like that
15:13 saracen So, as me and E_mE slightly discussed yesterday. Apart from the visual seperation, is there any reason action/view methods get passed the request data, rather than it being set on the action/view and then accessed via $this->rd->getParameter('') etc.
15:14 sth Hi impl
15:15 CIA-87 simon * r4307 /documentation/branches/simon-topics/tutorial/step7/edit-a-post.dita: Editing a post added
15:15 impl hi
15:15 hzilla ok thanks all
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15:16 MikeSeth1 saracen: at the very least because they are not interdependent, and action Foo can freely invoke view BarSuccess
15:18 MikeSeth1 but, it'd be convenient to have $rd as a member of the action/view, but that'd come at a cost
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15:18 MikeSeth1 I imagine you wont be able to reuse the containers and you will need to do more when initializing one
15:18 saracen That would still happen if the request data was set on the view class. Leaving the view out, just an action: validate*, execute* get passed the request data
15:19 MikeSeth1 this would be so much easier if PHP had immutable data
15:19 impl don't fuck with the data
15:19 impl then it becomes immutable
15:20 saracen Well, any changes you already make are done by reference, so it probably changes the data in the container anyway
15:20 impl if you tell a user "no changing this" and then they change it, is that your problem? no.
15:25 saracen $rd->clearParameters();
15:25 saracen $rd->setParameter('hello', 'world');
15:25 saracen var_dump($rd->getParameters());
15:25 saracen var_dump($this->container->getRequestData()->getParameters());
15:25 saracen identical
15:25 saracen as you probably know already :)
15:29 impl that's because we have an obnoxious mechanism that prevents you from using code the way you'd expect it to be able to be used.
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16:27 WasabiCat does AgaviConsoleRouting support capture groups?
16:28 v-dogg what are capture groups?
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16:28 WasabiCat The body of the pattern is a plain string which matches the examined value literally. To match parts with a regular expression, you have to enclose the relevant parts of the pattern in parens (called capture groups) which behave almost the same way as in true PCRE.
16:29 macen :o
16:29 macen kk
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16:34 WasabiCat http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/step2/introduction-routing.html
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16:42 CIA-87 simon * r4308 /documentation/trunk/topics/ (42 files in 10 dirs): Merged from /documenation/branches/simon-topics: rewvision complete
16:42 sth Ah ha!
16:45 Jarda simon == simoncpu?
16:46 v-dogg no, sth
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16:48 Jarda ok
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16:52 MikeSeth WasabiCat: it probably does
16:54 WasabiCat <route name="jsed" pattern="^jsed" module="EF_ConfigurationManager" action="JSED">
16:54 WasabiCat <route name=".get" pattern="get (namespace:\S)" action=".Get" />
16:54 WasabiCat </route>
16:54 WasabiCat should that match jsed get net.etherflex.version?
16:54 WasabiCat I mean it does match
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16:55 WasabiCat but $rd->getParameter('namespace') is empty
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17:13 sth me == me :P
17:14 Jarda WasabiCat: are you validating?
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17:39 _cheerios i hate this time of the evening! have to cook dinner -- timeconsuming chore! --, and chill for a while to be able to concentrate at all on the important things, your own things... by flushing all that WORK *cold shivers* stuff out of the system. so inconvenient.
17:40 sth That's easy
17:40 sth I do it as soon as I leave the office
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17:50 CIA-87 simon * r4309 /documentation/trunk/stages/stage8/ (2223 files in 234 dirs): Added source code for stage 8
17:51 sth woot, r4310 :P
17:52 CIA-87 simon * r4310 /documentation/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Altered dita files to show source code for stage 8
17:52 sth wait, 3 files?
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17:52 Rayne it is super simon who saves the day!
17:53 sth heh
17:53 sth I'm just adding to the guide
17:53 sth which I'm done with now
17:53 sth so I can go back to my own project
17:53 _cheerios hmm, interesting phenomena where ppl setup targeted keyword pages on my site to promote their stuff. I wonder how I can take advantage of this to my benefit.
17:54 sth +1 for using phenomena
17:57 _cheerios in a way i've outsourced time consuming keyword-whoring research to these guys.
17:57 CIA-87 simon * r4311 /documentation/branches/simon-topics/: No longer needed.
17:58 _cheerios the 3. $$$ phase just is unclear
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18:09 _cheerios ttj, vintage dance weekend coming up the last weekend of this month; lets do three nights in a row (fri, sat, sun) OK? :)
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18:22 Jarda wtf, why does $ro->gen() add "//" in front of my urls..
18:22 Jarda one slash would be right..
18:23 Jarda I don't know if it is because of lighttpd or what..
18:25 Rayne lighty does not create the url for you ;)
18:26 Rayne check your routes and your markup code which includes $ro->gen()
18:33 Jarda it was a problem with my lighttpd rewrite
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18:39 _cheerios split() deprecated.. hmmk, i guess i better go over that php5.3 deprecated stuff list after all :D
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19:05 sth I'm going to guess and assume Brian Neu is from in here?
19:06 sth yup
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19:43 Jarda should parameter name="export" work with validator class="number" ?
19:44 v-dogg yup
19:44 Jarda http://pastebin.com/m4e831889
19:44 Jarda this doesn't export..
19:45 Jarda it get's run
19:47 Jarda http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/validator/AgaviNumberValidator.cl​ass.php
19:47 Jarda no export there, maybe explains this..
19:48 v-dogg weird
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19:49 sth file a ticket I guess
19:50 Jarda maybe tomorrow from work
19:50 Jarda too tired atm
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21:45 ttj _cheerios: Umm... No? :)
21:46 _cheerios think of it as a jogging-warmup... in a suit.
21:46 ttj Nah, already ran the Stockholm Half Marathon last Saturday.
21:46 _cheerios nice
21:47 ttj 2h00m21s.
21:48 ttj http://resultat.marathon.se/shm2009/Start/chiptider_en.cfm?startnr=10086&Lan_ID=​3
21:48 _cheerios all this talk of exercising makes me feel bad given i've not done anything sporty this week
21:48 ttj Oh damn, you should've started Krav Maga with me.
21:48 ttj It's so cool.
21:49 _cheerios is anyone else beside you left?
21:49 ttj Yeah, plenty of people. My right leg is somewhat busted up, though. :(
21:51 _cheerios no such problems here. boring life leads to no injuries :)
21:51 ttj When's our next jog?
21:52 _cheerios judging by the forecasts, next summer
21:52 ttj Bah.
21:53 ttj Just get yourself a jacket and let's go.
21:55 _cheerios haircut tomorrow. the reduced wind resistance will give me a +1 on our next jog.
21:55 ttj :)
21:55 _cheerios jacket? meh. you up the pace when it gets colder, keeps you warm.
21:55 _cheerios nn
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02:44 luke` Having trouble executing an action from the console. I keep hitting the 404. But when accessing the same action via the web context it works
02:44 luke` http://pastebin.com/d699904fc
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03:52 Jarda you have diffrerent module?
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04:27 luke` Jarda: which module?
04:36 Jarda route pattern="^generatepayroll$" module="Payroll" action="Generate"/> <route pattern="^/GenInv$" module="Invoice" action="Generate"/>
04:36 Jarda one Generate is in "payroll" module and one Generate in "Invoice" module
04:37 luke` yeah... there are two generate actions for two different purposes
04:37 Jarda ok, then it isn't the "sam action"
04:37 Jarda as you said before
04:38 luke` sorry.. maybe I should explain
04:38 luke` I am trying to access only GenInv right now
04:38 luke` when I copy the routing line for GenInv to the web context, it works
04:39 luke` but the same line in the console context, gives 404
04:46 Jarda I am not familiar with console routing, but how do you try to access it?
04:47 Jarda because you have ^/ then you have to access it like "php myapp.php /GenInv"
04:47 Jarda if I have understood console routing right..
04:55 simoncpu huomenta
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05:03 luke` Jarda: there is a console.php in the samples/pub/
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07:32 sth Oh, I wonder how my docs turned out last night
07:34 sth Google groups has the worst search ever
07:35 simoncpu sth: im really happy for you and imma let you finish, but yahoo groups is the best mailing list ui of all time!
07:35 simoncpu of all time!
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07:35 kanye yo
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07:35 sth kanye: haha
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07:36 MikeSeth yo kanye i'm glad for you and I'm gonna let you finish but recursion is the best recursion
07:36 MikeSeth of all time
07:36 sth yo MikeSeth i'm happy for you and I'm gonna let you finish but recursion is the best recursion
07:36 sth of all time
07:37 simoncpu rofl
07:41 sth 09:40 <+ron_frown> I wish somone would just take kanye out
07:41 sth 09:40 <+ron_frown> I respect that he has even "decent" talent
07:41 sth 09:40 -!- eviLbasse [evil@c213-100-23-235.swipnet.se] has joined #php
07:41 sth 09:40 <+ron_frown> but what a fucking douchebag waste of air/space/life
07:41 sth 09:41 <@sth_> Why, he'd only interupt his own assassination
07:41 sth 09:41 <@sth_> yo hitman, I'm real happy for you, and I'm gonna let you finish but Abe Licoln had one of the best assassinations of all time
07:42 sth On the plus side, the documentation come out fine: http://www.agavi.org/documentation-nightly-pdf.tar.gz
07:43 MikeSeth sth: did you ditch the dita buildscripts i hacked up back then?
07:44 sth Felix either ditched them or edited them
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07:45 MikeSeth the PDF looks nice
07:46 sth I just noticed an error though :/
07:46 sth I forgot to delete something
07:50 CIA-87 simon * r4312 /documentation/trunk/topics/tutorial/step7/the-form-population-filter.dita: Removed empty paragraphs from the docs
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07:58 simoncpu you sth! i'm really happy for you and immma let you finish, but the Bible is the best documentation of all time!
07:58 simoncpu of all time!
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08:18 _cheerios huomenta
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08:28 E_mE huomenta
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08:45 sth simoncpu: heh
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09:41 E_mE scrollbar mania experiment http://www.the389.com/works/scrollbars/
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10:29 E_mE if i have a string such as: a(1,2,3),b(2,44) how can i get REGEX to repeat my statement to pull out each of the 2 groups into separate variables? I can extract one of them, but not loop it
10:31 sth preg_match_all?
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10:36 E_mE sth: need to use REGEX directly
10:38 E_mE all i want for example is: ([a-zA-Z]+\((.+)\),) to be repeated
10:38 E_mE so it grabs a(1,2,3) and then b(2,44)
10:38 E_mE well infact that regex would pull a(1,2,3), and ignore b(2,44)... but you get the idea
10:39 E_mE hopefully :S
10:39 v-dogg why the hell do I need to register to collabnet to download SVN cli client?
10:41 _cheerios E_mE, var_dump(preg_split('/\),/', 'a(1,2,3),b(2,44)')); // thought you lose the ) on the first match
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10:42 _cheerios better choice of delimeters would help
10:42 E_mE ja
10:42 E_mE thank you _cheerios , much appreciated
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12:30 khashayar_ hi
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12:38 xrx Hi
12:39 xrx is there anyone who can help me?
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12:40 saracen xrx: Just ask your question
12:41 xrx I have a problem on how to validate on a specific scenario.
12:41 xrx I wrote the entire application with Multilingual support.
12:41 xrx I have a News module with an AddAction inside it, so the user can add an original News content
12:42 xrx and if he/she likes, can add translations for that news (based on locales added to translation.xml)
12:42 xrx to add a translation, user should check related checkbox for that language (i.e French), and in the client side, i'll show that part of the form to user to fill.
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12:42 xrx Here's the problem:
12:43 saracen I need to validate translation fields only if that language checkbox, checked on the add news' form.
12:43 xrx I need to validate translation fields only if that language checkbox, checked on the add news' form.
12:43 saracen I win!
12:43 xrx yeap :D
12:43 xrx so you read the rest :D
12:44 xrx Do you have any idea?
12:47 saracen if I wanna add validator to Add.xml, this won't work, cause i don't have the locales and which checkboxes checked.
12:47 saracen Why don't you have the checkboxes that get checked?
12:49 Jarda depends might be the keyword
12:50 xrx i can use the 'depends' but i need to add validators for 'title' & 'content' fields for each language
12:50 Xylakant xrx: at least in addReadValidators/addWriteValidators you can access the request data
12:50 Xylakant so you can check which box was ticked and add the proper validators
12:51 xrx what's the difference between add*Validators and register*Validators?
12:51 Xylakant xrx: i meant register*
12:52 Xylakant there's no add*Validator
12:56 xrx so you mean i add a 'provide' in Add.xml for checkbox, and in registerValidators, loop through each locale and add a validator for each language with a "depends" property?
12:57 saracen I'd just write a custom validator for this
12:57 saracen You'll have access to the translation manager and such in your own validator class, so you can check to see if the input from a checkbox matches up to what translations they have access to
12:59 saracen <checkbox name="translation[gb]" /> - Pass "translation" to your custom validator and have it check the keys
13:02 xrx saracen: May i see your custom validator?
13:06 saracen I dont have one, just saying you should write one :)
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13:07 saracen http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/validator
13:07 saracen Agavis validators are in there, clicking on simple ones should show you what you need to be able to write your own
13:21 xrx yes, i wrote custom validators before, but this case confused me, cause i don't want to hardcode the locales in the validators
13:23 sth You dont
13:23 sth You have a list which you call from where ever to check if it exists
13:23 sth I.e. config options, models etc
13:25 xrx thanks anyway, i'll check again with this idea
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13:56 _cheerios Fwix Launches API For Real-Time Local News, Announces $2.75 Million Series A Round
13:57 _cheerios seriously. wtf. for http://nashville.fwix.com/
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15:09 E_mE http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1214182/New-Montauk-Monster-be​aten-death-terrified-teens-Panama.html
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17:48 krycek_ echo $file->tmp_name; is return the right path, but withou slashes in it.
17:49 krycek_ anyone knows what can it be?
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17:52 v-dogg krycek_: magic quotes
17:52 v-dogg luke` had that just yesterday, didn't you?
17:52 v-dogg < krycek_> echo $file->tmp_name; is return the right path, but withou slashes in it.
17:53 luke`_ yeah... stupid magic quotes
17:56 krycek_ hmm... just tested against php 5.3 and tmp_name returned the path with slashes
17:56 krycek_ \o/
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17:57 v-dogg krycek_: are you using xampp or some other apache-php bundle?
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18:04 v-dogg krycek_: disable magic_quotes_gpc (php.ini)
18:05 v-dogg no idea why it's on by default... silly package maintainers...
18:07 Jarda but agavi has some magic_quotes_gpc -check
18:07 Jarda s
18:07 Jarda maybe this is a bug?
18:07 Jarda or kinda bug
18:10 krycek_ looks like a bug to me
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18:15 impl xampp is shit
18:15 impl leanr how to install software
18:16 v-dogg there, you heard the man :)
18:16 v-dogg now: obey!
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18:20 PeYKaR huomenta!
18:21 v-dogg huomenta
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18:50 _cheerios E_mE, your link pic was disgusting
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19:18 E_mE _cheerios: wimp :P
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20:14 _cheerios holy shit elephants have huge penises
20:17 everplays _cheerios: ha ha, how you found out? for first time you went to zoo?
20:18 _cheerios chuckled on a pic of people on a safari where one of the elephants got too horny to continue :)
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21:26 _cheerios http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GLJRzuodKo totally cute
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07:14 _cheerios huomenta
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08:06 sth Morning
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09:23 saracen hai pals
09:23 simoncpu_ninja oh hai gaiz
09:26 graste any additional tips or perhaps improvements to this: http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#caching_3 ?
09:27 graste just wanted to write down things, mentioned here in the channel or gotchas I ran into somewhere in the past ;)
09:28 simoncpu_ninja i didn't even know that there's fragment caching... =)
09:30 sth The UK Army spokes person is amazing
09:30 sth "Talking to people is a lot better than shooting them"
09:30 sth An actual quote
09:32 simoncpu_ninja the army is one of the few people who are reluctant to practice their profession....
09:33 sth I know, but it goes without saying that talking to them is better
09:34 simoncpu_ninja i think they mean, "psywar is more effective than bloody wars"
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09:39 graste l8er
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10:03 saracen ubuntu karmic owned me =(
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10:19 sth saracen: You're not leet enough to use it
10:24 saracen clearly
10:25 saracen i used it for a about 3 weeks. Then I upgraded again, now when i start it, X won't work and my ethernet adaptor won't up
10:25 saracen so i cant upgrade =(
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10:34 luke` MikeSeth: you there?
10:39 E_mE saracen: get a mac :P
10:42 saracen How would that help matters, I'd have ubuntu on it.
10:44 saracen rofl
10:44 saracen just got this ad pop up
10:44 saracen http://content.yieldmanager.edgesuite.net/atoms/6a/bb/87/3b/6abb873bc96b10f47f52​e20d219e3405.jpg
10:45 luke` The console stuff is spooky.
10:45 E_mE saracen: that yellow tooth looks like its been doctored to be yellow
10:45 E_mE no yellow teeth are ever that brightly yellow
10:45 saracen E_mE: Yeah, but I'm wondering if the secret to turning teeth white is to actually become black
10:45 saracen so its not as noticable
10:46 E_mE hahaha, see your point
10:46 saracen "mom learned that hi-contrast colours look brighter when surrounded by black"
10:47 saracen DON'T pay for white teeth! Pay for black skin!
10:47 E_mE what ever is cheapest goes for me ;)
10:48 saracen getting a full body tattoo is probably expensive
10:48 saracen but i guess you are paying for just the one colour
10:48 saracen maybe theres deals
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10:52 saracen this is going to be pretty funny. I had the idea to get my friend some mugs with our faces printed on them. Presents about 3 weeks late, but meh
10:52 saracen I look pretty homosexual in my photo - wearing these shiney devil horns =(
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10:54 E_mE saracen: you sourcey devil
10:54 saracen wanna see? :)
10:54 E_mE go on then
10:55 E_mE im feeling bit sourcey too :P
10:55 E_mE hehehehe
10:55 saracen http://www.fiveturns.org/mugs.png - I'm the first one, obviously. Don't worry, I'm suppose to look moody "I dont want too dressed like this" face.
10:56 E_mE hehe, thats quite silly
10:56 saracen Shame the others couldnt do as I requested. Decent camera + on a white background. Some of them just did it on dark brown wallpaper =(
10:56 saracen So yeah, I think we'll successfully put him off drinking tea forever
10:56 E_mE yes i can see some of the Photoshop extract method there :P
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10:57 E_mE well, are you not worried that his lips may get frightfully close to your face?
10:57 saracen yeah =(
10:57 saracen No, i'm excited
10:57 saracen it'll be hilarious.
10:57 sth diaf saracen
10:57 saracen why sth? WAI?
10:57 sth because.
10:57 saracen oh.
10:57 E_mE it be like someone walking on your grave when ever he takes a sip
10:58 saracen Personally, I wanted a picture of a penis touching the edge of where his lips would go
10:58 saracen But the vote was against it, incase the printers wouldnt do it
10:58 E_mE hahaha, you should get one where its molded into the edge of the cup, so it gets the feel of it every time he drinks :P
10:58 saracen lol
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11:01 luke` is trac on agavi.org broken?
11:01 sth 1 sec
11:02 luke` I keep getting "database is locked"
11:02 sth same
11:02 luke` maybe a backup is in progress
11:02 sth Nope
11:02 sth Trac is just crap
11:02 sth I broke it with my documenation push
11:02 sth documentation*
11:03 sth working now apparently
11:05 luke` why did agavi go back from 1.0.2-RC1 into dev?
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11:07 simoncpu007 18:55 < saracen> http://www.fiveturns.org/mugs.png <--- you look adorable
11:07 simoncpu007 *aaaaaw*
11:08 sth hahaha
11:09 sth You really look as if you didn't want to do that
11:09 sth luke`: No idea, ask the mailing list of bug Xylakant or Wombert
11:09 Xylakant luke`: what?
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11:10 Xylakant there is an rc1
11:11 Xylakant the only thing that went back to 'dev' is the version info on trunk
11:11 Xylakant or on the branch
11:13 saracen sth: My acting skillz
11:13 saracen Tbh, I was trying to come up with something funny, and my girlfriend forced me to wear it. We considered the look funny enough, but the camera she took it with was shit
11:14 saracen So then we had to take the photo like 10 times to get the same result the next week =(
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12:03 luke` Xylakant: thanks for clearing that up
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12:15 _cheerios ttj, free beers @ technopolis if you're around
12:25 ttj _cheerios: Now?
12:28 _cheerios yes, socializing friday from 2pm to 6pm (dunno how many around after 5pm tho)
12:31 ttj _cheerios: What's up tonight?
12:32 _cheerios not much for me this weekend... there's oktoberfest @ Sello :p
12:32 ttj Beers somewhere after socializing friday?
12:32 _cheerios they've got the tent and a big fosters truck on the yard
12:33 _cheerios possible. you at home atm.?
12:33 ttj Nah, office.
12:33 _cheerios i could drop by kamppi on the way home i spose
12:35 Xylakant _cheerios: no beer before the opening ceremony is done in munich
12:35 Xylakant we don't get any either
12:35 _cheerios when's that? :D
12:35 Xylakant around 10 tomorrow morning
12:36 _cheerios k. these guys are running this evening + tomorrow it seems.
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12:53 graste huomenta
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13:43 ttj _cheerios: How about ~6.30PM in Kamppi?
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14:09 _cheerios ttj, had too much wine already -- ill head to sello gym to freshen up
14:10 _cheerios +exhausting networking, man, all this talk + stack of bizcards
14:11 Rayne ololz http://www.nerdcore.de/wp/2009/09/18/einbrecher-geschnappt-weil-er-beim-einbruch​-facebook-checkte-%E2%80%93-und-sich-nicht-ausloggte/ (german article with english quotes)
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14:22 ttj _cheerios: Pfft. Pathetic.
14:29 sth Rayne: You should be shot for such a crap link
14:42 nfq yo Xylakant
14:42 Xylakant hey
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15:11 nfq Xylakant: you got a sec for a PM?
15:11 Rayne sth, :(
15:12 Xylakant a second maybe
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15:37 CIA-87 david * r4313 /branches/0.11/ (431 files in 3 dirs): merge [4292/branches/1.0], refs #1154
15:58 CIA-87 david * r4314 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/build/agavi/script/agavi.php): Fix #1155 (merged from [4240/trunk]): agavi.php erroneously always assumes it is a symlink if project.directory is empty
16:04 E_mE http://www.b3ta.com/links/GPS
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16:28 sth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwxN8sCIOOE&feature=player_embedded
16:33 E_mE this web app is pretty damn wicked: http://www.inudge.net/index.en.html
16:52 CIA-87 david * r4315 /trunk/src/ (15 files in 3 dirs): merge [4224:4234/branches/1.0]
16:59 saracen sth: damn right it is
17:11 sth E_mE: You can make any 1990's house song with that
17:12 saracen oh, E_mE I mean that to go to you :)
17:14 CIA-87 david * r4316 /trunk/ (433 files in 5 dirs): merge [4236:4246/branches/1.0]
17:15 sth sets mode +stupid saracen
17:21 sth Oh wait, already set :/
17:23 saracen +s for sexy, +t for tonguable, +u for uber, +p for perfect, +i for indestructable and +d for dazzling? Yep, already set.
17:23 CIA-87 david * r4317 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 4 dirs): merge [4250:4274/branches/1.0]
17:24 saracen removes mode -s from sth
17:24 saracen wait.
17:24 saracen Oh sigh, fine we'll go with your first one based on that
17:25 saracen gotta love self-owning ones self.
17:25 sth *golf claps*
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17:33 digitarald Huomenta
17:34 CIA-87 david * r4318 /trunk/ (448 files in 12 dirs): merge [4275:4314/branches/1.0]
17:40 CIA-87 david * r4319 /trunk/src/testing/AgaviPhpUnitTestCase.class.php: fix version info and docs, hadn't been adjusted for [4247], refs #1145
17:41 CIA-87 david * r4320 /branches/1.0/src/testing/AgaviPhpUnitTestCase.class.php: merge [4319/trunk], refs #1145
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18:14 Jarda oh yeah, trunk tests pass :o
18:14 Jarda (tests2, php53)
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19:08 Rayne how should a "dynamic" form bei implemented, where the user is able to add new input fields like "text" and "image" blocks (text = plain text, image = upload image + name title => when rendering export it for instance as html image with title attribute). to do this i could split those "types" into modules or module_actions, which run in slots. would this be a good idea? every request could generate some slots and this would add database readings
19:08 Rayne (at least), too. (my idea is similar to the text modules in typolight)
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22:24 E_mE___ is loving the new Action/View/Template structure in 1.1-dev
22:31 impl \o/
22:31 sth E_mE___: Looks good
22:31 impl you can actually use that in 1.0 too, you just have to copy the 1.1 build system into 1.0
22:31 impl it's a hack but I'm pretty sure it works
22:31 sth I need to arrange my project to conform to it
22:32 sth impl: ur a hack
22:32 impl ZING
22:32 sth u best go 2 da burn unit!
22:32 E_mE___ just one of the problems i found with the old system was, that files got lost amoungst each other
22:32 sth Apartment hunting sucks
22:33 E_mE___ sth: least your not paying UK prices :P
22:33 E_mE___ though i hear Munich is the most expensive place to live in Deustchland
22:33 sth yup
22:33 E_mE___ like €10/sqm
22:33 E_mE___ or something
22:33 sth I went to look an apartment yesterday
22:33 sth 520€
22:34 E_mE___ how many sqm?
22:34 E_mE___ 52? :P
22:34 E_mE___ or ~52
22:34 sth 28
22:35 E_mE___ jeez
22:35 sth But I don't think that includes the kitchen and bathroom area
22:35 E_mE___ is that just a bedsit or so?
22:35 E_mE___ no it doesn't
22:35 sth Nope
22:35 E_mE___ there considered requirements i think
22:35 E_mE___ living space i think is the luxury or so
22:36 sth I've viewed some apartments that didn't even have a seperate kitchen
22:36 E_mE___ gosh
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22:36 sth And those were 460€
22:38 E_mE___ what about apartments that are bit out of town?
22:38 E_mE___ they any cheaper
22:38 sth the 460€ was out of town
22:38 sth by 20km
22:39 sth Housing in Munich is super expensive
22:39 E_mE___ how big was that?
22:39 sth 30m2
22:41 sth At least the 520€ apartment is in the city, 7km from work
22:41 E_mE___ ja i guess you need to count up the cost of travelling 20km too
22:42 E_mE___ btw, is there any examples of <validator_definitions>?
22:42 E_mE___ can i create validators which can then be pulled in by action validate.xml files?
22:42 E_mE___ thats what im assuming
22:44 sth I'm pretty sure it's to define custom validators so you don't have to use the long name
22:44 E_mE___ ah see see
22:44 sth <validator_definition name="sample" class="SampleCustomValidator"> <ae:parameter name="something">true</ae:parameter>
22:44 sth </validator_definition>
22:44 sth from the Agavi FAQ
22:45 E_mE___ ah yes
22:45 E_mE___ thanks
22:45 E_mE___ that faq is great
22:45 sth yup
22:45 sth There really needs to be a ref manual for agavi
22:46 E_mE___ there needs to be an index or so
22:46 E_mE___ i was trying to find whether it is handleReadError() or handleErrorRead()
22:48 sth the former
22:48 sth A ref manual would solve so many of the questions in here
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23:08 sth changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.1 :: testing: 1.0.2 RC1 :: maintenance: 0.11.8 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://ohloh.net/p/agavi :: logs: http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC :: Yaaaaaarrr!
23:09 saracen my beard is so beardy
23:09 saracen i think i should shave
23:09 sth Dont
23:10 saracen You like the beard eh?
23:10 saracen You should have mentioned when you saw me
23:10 saracen I can't believe there was no verbal copulating
23:10 saracen couldnt think of a thing to say to you
23:10 sth Thar' beard of many douchebags will make ye face look more pirate like
23:10 sth I travelled 700 miles and you said feck all
23:10 Rayne epic win
23:11 saracen sth: Well, yeah. I'm a shy person
23:11 saracen and you're tall.
23:11 sth It be speak like a pirate day today, ye yonder will be amazed
23:11 sth saracen: Yeah, I'm like 6'4
23:11 saracen im like 5'9 =(
23:11 sth Midget
23:11 saracen fuck you
23:12 sth heh
23:12 saracen A man isn't based upon his height, but the ship he captians
23:12 _cheerios *boat
23:12 saracen SHIP
23:12 sth boat.
23:13 saracen Fine
23:13 sth Unless your girlfriend deserves the upgrade of size
23:13 saracen If i implant babby, will that count?
23:13 sth No, that just increases her birth.
23:14 saracen i see what you did there.
23:14 saracen This really is the limitless joke
23:14 sth yup
23:14 saracen Among sailing vessels, the distinction between ships and boats is that a ship is a square-rigged craft with at least three masts, and a boat isn't.
23:15 nfq a man doesn't captain a boat
23:15 nfq that's for boys
23:15 saracen Oh i see, I thought I was just open to abuse from impl and sth, seeing as I talk to them often
23:15 saracen but apparently not
23:15 saracen all aboard, bitches.
23:16 nfq haha
23:16 sth It's speak like a pirate day today
23:16 nfq can anyone tell me when using PHPDoc if it matters if I use tabs after @author or not?
23:17 nfq by default it's spaces
23:17 nfq but I want to use tabs
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23:25 sth It should be spaces.
23:25 sth col 18 should be where the value starts
23:27 saracen spaces are shit
23:29 nfq sth: if we use tabs, will affect future usage/parsing of PHPDoc?
23:29 sth No idea
23:30 sth the only thing it'll screw up is other people's editors if they have different tab/space settings
23:31 nfq sth: ja.. but we all use TM, so no worries there
23:31 sth We do in the BX office but I think we have different settings between us
23:32 sth Me & david have tabs set to 2 and felix has 4 iirc
23:36 saracen felix is twice the tab you'll ever be
23:39 sth That's why I cut his brake cables on his car earlier...
23:39 sth *whistles*
23:45 nfq sth: yeah, but felix is like.. different
23:46 sth You mean German? :P
23:47 _cheerios pk + 6 indexes, but i love my new sql table. can't believe creating a nice table design kept me awake till 3am...
23:47 sth Anyway, It' 2am and I have work tomorrow/today
23:49 nfq sth: dude sleep welll
23:49 nfq when's David back btw?
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23:52 saracen sth: It's only 00:52
23:52 saracen You surely have become so german you've adopted their hours have you?
23:52 saracen havent*
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10:03 codecop huomenta
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10:35 sth He's meant to be in france
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16:36 Jarda stupid os x, can't handle n+1 programs open at same time..
16:36 Jarda only netbeans+textmate+safari+firefox+itunes+neooffice+pgadmin..
16:36 Jarda oh, I have iPhoto also open
16:36 Jarda and it is eating all my 2gigs of ram
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16:37 _cheerios eclipse+firefox is enough for that on ubuntu :)
16:38 E_mE Jarda: why you got netbeans and textmate open?
16:38 Jarda E_mE: because I can :)
16:38 E_mE just thought you'd only need one or the other?
16:39 Jarda well, I do my hc coding in netbeans and some testing and "notes" in textmate
16:39 E_mE hc coding?
16:39 Jarda (hardcore)
16:39 E_mE thats not very hardcore :P
16:39 Jarda with a ":P"
16:39 E_mE TextMate is more hardcore hehehe
16:40 Jarda it's not.. no code completion (or code sense)
16:40 E_mE and testing you can use MacGDBp
16:40 Jarda testing as in "<?php echo strlen("foo"); ?>"
16:41 E_mE does that require Netbeans :P
16:41 Jarda no, that I do in textmate
16:41 E_mE I don't use NetBeans or Eclipse PDT my self becuase of the memory concerns
16:42 Jarda memory is cheap
16:43 E_mE meh!
16:44 E_mE i prefer that applications attempt to be more efficient then just assume they can consume as much as they like
16:44 E_mE thats what really pisses me off about web browsers
16:44 _cheerios i bought 8gigs (though only 6gigs worked) for my desktop for this very reason. :D
16:44 E_mE just swallows more and more memory
16:45 _cheerios some odd thing with ubuntus texteditor though it lags like hell when saving at times
16:45 E_mE _cheerios: get a Mac :P
16:48 _cheerios i need to make bullions of money first to make such a switch to an even-more of a poser-lifestyle
16:50 _cheerios heh, +4GB memory on macstore is +900e
16:50 _cheerios it's like, what, +50e on the street? :)
16:50 E_mE well you never buy RAM from Apple.com
16:55 _cheerios have you ever opened up your mac laptop to add more memory to it?
16:55 Jarda it is possible
16:56 E_mE well my iMac Bondi Rev .b back in 1998, but not the laptop
16:56 _cheerios the solid-state drives on the macstore probably aren't the state-of-the-art intels either
16:56 E_mE but it wont be too difficult to upgrade the RAM
16:56 _cheerios well, one day i'll have money like this. for now, i'm a poor lunix user!
16:57 Jarda I purchased my mac from a local dealer and they installed more ram without extra cost
16:57 E_mE 4 screws from the looks of it atm
16:58 E_mE Jarda: _cheerios http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1651
16:58 E_mE 8 screws sorry
16:58 _cheerios 3.217,01 EUR incl. VAT // for the 2.66Ghz mbpro
16:59 E_mE i got MacBook, not a pro
16:59 E_mE MacBook Alium that is
16:59 _cheerios plus it'd be +200 or more for the nice intel solidstate
16:59 Jarda _cheerios: you took addons from the store, that's always a failure..
16:59 E_mE i got mine for £800, ~€900
16:59 _cheerios Jarda, yeah, like +1300 worth (+4GB ram + DVI adapter + applecare)
17:00 Jarda you don't buy your ram from applestore, that's plain stupid
17:00 E_mE indeed
17:02 _cheerios http://jacobian.org/writing/snakes-on-the-web/ had that open all day, haven't read yet
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17:09 _cheerios i don't have any time to finish my orm. i wonder if i should just keep the code for myself, or put it on github as an interesting relic.
17:09 _cheerios anytime before like... later... this year.
17:18 _cheerios perhaps better later, with an honest attempt that "works"
17:20 _cheerios any quick-n-easy tabbed box css+html out there?
17:21 _cheerios first hit gives me something like http://htmldog.com/articles/tabs/
17:23 E_mE _cheerios: open up your ORM, i wouldn't mind seeing how you implemented the concept
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17:24 _cheerios yarrrr, but i need hackers to finish it!
17:25 E_mE hehe is it that mixed up :P
17:25 E_mE i attmepting writing a ORM and decided to give it a mix and just developing it in my own time as i see fit
17:25 E_mE -mix +miss
17:28 _cheerios i'll choose bite-sized projects next time.
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18:19 simoncpu beer + freebsd + agavi = awesome
18:20 Rayne happy caturday!
18:21 simoncpu oh hai gaiz
18:22 _cheerios laundry finished, time to go grab a big mug o beer also
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22:02 E_mE_ be with you in 30mins
22:02 E_mE_ just making some dough
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22:38 sth E_mE_: Get a better connection
22:39 MikeSeth all of you :P
22:39 sth heh
22:39 sth Yeah, MikeSeth and I have stable connections. You're all letting the side down
22:40 E_mE_ sth: i know, but im tied in :(
22:40 sth Get VM
22:40 sth screw sky
22:40 E_mE_ Virtual Machine?
22:40 MikeSeth <- in vm
22:41 MikeSeth lcoud computing ftw
22:41 sth No, Virgin Media
22:41 E_mE_ sth: are you joking? Virgin are even worse
22:41 sth At least their connections are stable
22:41 E_mE_ when i can it will probably go to O2 for internet
22:42 E_mE_ -it +i
22:44 E_mE_ is making Cinnamon Buns yummm :)
22:44 sth at 12am?
22:44 E_mE_ yep, dough rising now, will have to hit it back at 1:30am ;)
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22:59 E_mE_ grrr
23:00 sth heh
23:00 sth Could be your router/modem
23:01 E_mE_ well i used the sky router and it keeps putting static onto the line
23:01 E_mE_ in random occurances
23:02 saracen reverse the polarity
23:02 E_mE_ saracen: what do you mean?
23:02 sth It's from star trek
23:02 E_mE_ now cracked the user/pass from the router and use a linksys one
23:02 E_mE_ hehe
23:02 saracen I dont even watch star trek and I know what it means :P
23:02 saracen Its from other scifis too, probably just taking the piss
23:03 saracen What it means is obvious, but they use it when the context is all wrong
23:03 saracen like I just did
23:03 E_mE_ MikeSeth: what is the irc client for emacs called again?
23:03 sth E_mE: Stupidity :P
23:04 sth saracen: That's what she said
23:05 E_mE_ sth: you just can't handle the power of emacs ;) its a mans tool
23:05 sth pft
23:05 E_mE_ ;)
23:05 sth textmate is all you need
23:05 saracen hahah
23:05 saracen hahah
23:05 saracen textmate
23:05 saracen hahaha
23:05 E_mE_ TextMate doesn't work in terminal mode though does it sth ;)
23:06 sth Who cares?
23:06 E_mE_ well, if you are on a server and need to do bit of coding, i do
23:06 saracen why would you be on a server?
23:06 E_mE_ because I'm short :P
23:06 sth E_mE_: That's why there's a FTP/SFTP bundle for tm
23:07 E_mE_ meh to ftp, scp++
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23:07 saracen wait what
23:07 saracen Oh
23:07 saracen I missed the postfixed _ and got horribly confused
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23:08 E_mE[vm] there we go.. no disconnection problems now :)
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23:09 saracen :D
23:10 E_mE[vm] anyhow, its required from time to time that you need to edit files on the server do you not sth?
23:11 sth I just use echo and pipes for that
23:11 E_mE[vm] oh you like to live life on the edge huh? how envious ;)
23:12 sth No, I use vi if I have to
23:12 E_mE[vm] i used that in college and go quite fustrated with it, but respect for that :)
23:12 saracen I use nano, because I can't be bothered to pretend I'm awesome
23:13 E_mE[vm] saracen: but you can't play tetris
23:13 saracen E_mE[vm]: I can too
23:13 E_mE[vm] with nano?
23:13 saracen yup
23:14 E_mE[vm] show me baby!
23:14 saracen Oh, this is where the lie backfires
23:14 saracen I can't show you
23:14 E_mE[vm] you're upto your devilish behaviour again...
23:14 saracen Oh dear
23:15 saracen Is there any chance people will forget about the image
23:15 E_mE[vm] :) I won't hold it against you
23:16 sth saracen: no
23:19 saracen meh
23:19 saracen im bored
23:19 sth When you named your girlfriend did you smash a bottle of champaign over her bow? :P
23:19 saracen going to go to bed and use iplayer on my iphone i think
23:19 saracen sth: Yeah, of course. "I name you: Boat"
23:20 saracen I thought up a crude joke about how my sea men weren't allowed on the boat this time of month. But it'd be wrong to mention that here.
23:21 saracen Well, I guess they're allowed on. But there not allowed in, that's for sure.
23:21 saracen I've said too much. Going to bed, nn!
23:22 sth nn
23:22 E_mE[vm] nite saracen
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08:12 _cheerios huomenta
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08:14 ttj Yo.
08:43 _cheerios seems they were serving this at the oktoberfest tent yesterday http://www.krombacher.com/produkte/dark.php
08:52 _cheerios http://www.visit-x.net/rammstein/ does this play uncensored on german tv?
09:10 _cheerios wtf. mobile apps made by fucking nazis; "your password HAS TO contain upper and lower case characters and at least one number and be atleast 6 characters long"
09:12 _cheerios omg. and when it's atleast 6, it tells me, "accept WEAK PASSWORD <8 characters". unbelieavable.
09:15 simoncpu E_mE_: no need for irc clients with emacs
09:16 simoncpu aaaaaaargh
09:16 simoncpu i'm replying to an old msg... didn't realized that i scrolled my window up
09:16 _cheerios these guys made it quite a breeze to decide to not use their sh*t.
09:33 _cheerios "ahhh, it's time to relax......this compact disk playing on your home stereo..." *g* props for anyone remembering what album that intro is from
09:38 _cheerios Q: When everyone is unquestionably happy about something, that means it's a matter ripe for disruption?
09:41 _cheerios i need an app that answers my frickin' questions. should i sign up on yahoo! answers?
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09:54 simoncpu _cheerios: nope. try this app: http://www.jabberwacky.com/
09:57 _cheerios too caveman-like, slow.
10:08 ttj Ugh... Boss's boss is sending emails on a Sunday morning...
10:10 _cheerios urgent notice of immediate pay raise?
10:13 ttj Yep.
10:14 ttj Trouble getting rid of money in the budget, so everyone gets a Porsche.
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10:17 _cheerios each company has their unique problems
10:29 ttj Yeah, sucks being me. Can't even down the Dom P from the fridge because Krav Maga is in a few hours.
10:35 _cheerios i should go to gym, sauna some... get even more vibes up.. first some programming, though
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10:59 ttj _cheerios: Lunch?
11:01 _cheerios lets make it during the upcoming week for lunch/beers? there's a lot of events next week too.
11:01 ttj Lunch might be difficult. And beers during lunch... My bosses won't be too happy. ;)
11:02 _cheerios :)
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12:07 saracen Hai
12:07 sth stfu saracen
12:07 sth You ruin everything :(
12:07 saracen Haimenta*
12:07 saracen sorry.
12:08 sth In the event of an alien invasion, we're sacrificing you first
12:09 saracen Ok
12:20 sth saracen: <3
12:25 sth Best commit message ever: "Yo Dawg, I heard you didn't like bugs, so we removed some bugs..."
12:26 sth For a fix I dubbed the Xzibit bug
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13:13 CIA-87 david * r4321 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/exception/templates/shiny.php): Fix #1156: Shiny exception template prepends file paths with an underscore
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15:13 _cheerios http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2009/09/17/boll/index.html
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15:27 johnutzm hello
15:28 johnutzm i have a route that is matched even it should not
15:28 v-dogg huomenta
15:28 johnutzm these are my rutes: http://pastie.org/623618
15:29 johnutzm it should not match http://agp.local/admin/whatever , but it does
15:30 v-dogg and goes into which action?
15:30 v-dogg do you have an action module="Default" action="Admin"?
15:30 johnutzm it goes into the action for /admin/
15:31 v-dogg Default_AdminAction?
15:31 johnutzm yes
15:31 v-dogg just like it is suppose to
15:32 v-dogg pattern="^/admin" doesn't have $ in the end so it matches everything
15:32 v-dogg usually you don't define an actual action for a parent route but only for the children
15:34 johnutzm i've defined them so that its children would eventually inherit module and action if not specified
15:36 v-dogg but you have already defined a valid action for the parent route and none of the child routes match so module="Default" action="Admin" is used
15:38 v-dogg your route setup is fine and that's the way it is often done but the problem is that you have Admin.* subactions AND AdminAction
15:39 v-dogg I wouldn't use the "top-level" action if you have subactions in the same "namespace"
15:40 johnutzm ok, so i should remove module and action for /admin/
15:40 v-dogg only action
15:41 johnutzm and make it match /admin to Default_Admin_IndexAction
15:42 johnutzm ah..
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15:52 johnutzm thank you, v-dogg!
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16:08 johnutzm there's another
16:09 johnutzm i tried to enableAdtDebugToolbarFilter but it gets an error at: include(dirname(__FILE__) .'/../'. $this->getParameter('template') );
16:09 johnutzm looks like $template is empty/not defined
16:09 johnutzm where should i define it?
16:09 Jarda v-dogg is expert at adt (he's written it)
16:10 Jarda http://adt.projectbin.org/ this is everything you should define
16:10 johnutzm i did a copy-paste from there
16:11 Jarda If you are using the html output, then I have no idea if it even should work atm..
16:11 johnutzm by default it was set to firephp debugging
16:11 johnutzm and that was working
16:11 Jarda I'm using firephp, it works
16:12 graste probably there are $template and $t - depending on the agavi version, I'd say?
16:12 v-dogg nope
16:12 graste k
16:12 graste :P
16:12 v-dogg sounds like html template is either missing or incorrectly configurated
16:12 v-dogg but use firebug
16:13 v-dogg that html stuff has so many issues
16:13 johnutzm i wanted to try something new :D
16:13 v-dogg try country music or group sex
16:14 v-dogg not adt html output
16:14 Jarda mmm... group sex
16:15 johnutzm nope, i think adt is sexier :)
16:16 Jarda you are a nerd
16:16 Jarda obviosly
16:16 johnutzm :))
16:16 johnutzm yeah
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17:30 digitarald anybody wrote an agavi translator for xliff?
17:31 digitarald want to avoid gettext
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17:52 Wombert v-dogg: help
17:52 v-dogg what's up
17:55 Wombert v-dogg: you know, having propel shits in dev/schema/
17:55 Wombert and calling propel-gen bleh
17:55 Wombert and the build.properties is set up so that it puts things in app/config etc
17:55 Wombert can you pastebin build.properties plz? .>
17:55 v-dogg I can do something better
17:56 Wombert orly
17:56 v-dogg http://blog.veikko.fi/post/82466126/installing-a-project-local-propel
17:56 Wombert hugs v-dogg
17:56 Wombert ah
17:56 Wombert propel.output.dir = ../../..
17:57 Wombert I had = ${project.dir}/../
17:57 Wombert which is nooooob
17:57 Wombert where
17:57 Wombert hm
17:57 Wombert hmmm
17:57 Wombert where does the build.properties go?
17:57 v-dogg dev/db
17:57 Wombert ok
17:58 Wombert worksworks
17:58 Wombert hugs v-dogg
17:58 v-dogg goodgood
17:59 Wombert weird tho
17:59 Wombert :S
17:59 Wombert that project.dir is not set
17:59 Wombert hmhm
17:59 Wombert $PHING_COMMAND -f $PROPEL_GEN_HOME/build.xml -Dusing.propel-gen=true -Dproject.dir=$*
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18:16 nfq yo Wombert
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19:09 _cheerios http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/world/africa/20cairo.html?_r=2
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20:43 sth Hai
20:46 E_mE evening sth
20:46 sth Hey E_mE
20:47 Rayne o hai
20:47 sth Hey Rayne
20:48 E_mE evening Rayne
20:48 sth I need to buy another monitor
20:48 sth Maybe I'll steal the spare one
20:49 sth Until I get my own
20:49 sth I'm sure Wombert will allow it
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20:49 E_mE dual monitors do make debugging a dream
20:50 sth yup
20:51 sth http://personas.media.mit.edu/personasWeb.html
20:52 E_mE thats bit bizzare
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20:54 sth Cool though
20:54 E_mE not sure what its trying to tell me
20:54 E_mE its says Sports
20:55 E_mE Im not sporty at all
20:55 sth At most I guess it's picked up a thread about me and rugby for sport
20:57 E_mE ah it tells what what categories of websites exists that related to you name
20:57 E_mE haha my Girlfriend got illegal hehehe
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21:02 E_mE sth: great concept :)
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21:06 sth http://oraclespeak.wordpress.com
21:06 sth I love this site
21:10 _cheerios http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCzbNkyXO50 Gay Scientists Isolate Christian Gene :)
21:15 _cheerios heh @ googles image search for your own name. I got all kinds of mugshots under my name
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05:08 saracen catches worm
05:15 ttj shoots the bird.
05:19 saracen was a dragon
05:21 ttj still shot the bird.
05:21 Jarda firebird, sunbird?
05:21 Jarda thunderbird?
05:23 ttj I'm not too picky.
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06:56 saracen ugh what is this
06:57 saracen Watching the final cut of children of the gods (sg1). People keep saying its better. Just got to the scene where they meet the whole new team, and the dialogue is shit. Some of the cuts make it that it doesnt even make sense anymore
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07:13 twenty-three huomenta
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08:52 E_mE huomenta
08:52 sth Morning
08:52 sth *grumbles*
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09:46 saracen ls -al
09:46 saracen oh dear
09:46 saracen needs coffee
09:46 v-dogg Total: 0 files
09:46 saracen I actually wanted /names. I knew this was my IRC client, so I guess thats a start
09:47 v-dogg sorry, I erased your harddrive
09:47 v-dogg haha
09:47 horros v-dogg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xipB8SDtP8
09:47 horros This is *awesome*!
09:48 horros "Kenties huomenna ei ole Eurooppaa eikä maailmaa! Silti rakkaus ei kuolla saa! Jos se kuolee, minä häpeäisin!"
09:48 v-dogg ... :D
09:48 horros I wonder how much crack Gösta Sundkvist had been smoking when he wrote that.
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10:58 luke` Is this still the right way to create a slot? $this->getLayer('content')->setSlot('teaserSearch',$this->createSlotContainer('S​earch','TeaserSearch'));
11:00 saracen Yup, I believe it is
11:01 sth Hey saracen
11:03 luke` saracen: How do I get it in the template? $t['teaserSearch'] ??
11:04 v-dogg $slots['slotname']
11:06 luke` v-dogg: thanks
11:06 luke` saracen: thanks for your inputs
11:12 saracen np, sorry was talking to my boss. He's learning xhtml/css :)
11:12 saracen Hai sth
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13:21 sth Oh, Wombert has got to the people of Munich :x, there was a guy whistling jingle bells outside
13:21 MikeSeth jingle bells
13:21 MikeSeth jingle bells
13:21 MikeSeth I PREFER COLD DAMAGE SPELLS
13:25 impl lols
13:26 saracen New credit card and new monitor == I'm now slightly poorer
13:27 MikeSeth but happier
13:27 impl Did you finally buy a monitor you can actually read?
13:27 saracen Not so much
13:27 saracen impl: I've had a monitor I can sort-of-read for ages
13:27 saracen This new one is for my girlfriends house, because I hate using a laptop when I'm there
13:27 saracen It was only 200 quid. One I'm on now was 600
13:28 saracen and its still shit, because there are no decent monitors in the worldz
13:28 impl lol
13:28 impl I like my monitor :<
13:28 saracen i bet I could find a problem with it.
13:29 impl I bet I could find more problems with your eyes, bitch.
13:29 MikeSeth I have a Samsung T240
13:29 MikeSeth its awesome
13:29 saracen This monitor is awesome, apart from every now and again, on certain colours, green pixels dart about until I turn it off and on again
13:29 saracen I've hard its a problem other monitors suffer from, but its rarely seen because its hard to find the colour it fucks up on
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13:29 impl what monitor is it?
13:30 saracen Hazro HZ26Wi, you won't have heard of them.
13:30 impl that sounds like a TERRORIST BRAND
13:31 saracen But yeah, the only time I ever see this problem is in phpmyadmin. The green background when you hover over a row - thats my THIS-IS-A-FUCKING-SHIT-MONITOR activator
13:31 saracen and everytime I see it, I cry
13:32 saracen I used to have it as my background colour so I could detect when it was happening, but it made me too depressed. It occurs every hour or so
13:32 saracen New montior I got is Dell 2209WA
13:32 saracen 22" - I could get a higher res 24" for the same money, but it's a TN panel
13:33 saracen and TN panels are shit.
13:33 saracen *IPS panels are the shit.
13:33 saracen huge difference.
13:37 saracen I spent 15 minutes on the phone activating my card. "While its activating, I'll talk to you about our latest offers and shit". As if it takes 15 minutes to activate
13:37 saracen Conveniently, by the time she finished her script, my card was activated
13:37 saracen Kept asking me things I'd already said "no" to when I first signed up for the card
13:37 saracen stupid bitch. And she made me sound cheap
13:38 saracen "Why don't you want payment protection" "Because it costs me, and thats purely the reason"
13:38 sth That's what she said
13:38 saracen She also asked me if I had anything "life events happening soon", "like what?" "a wedding, buying a house, holiday etc." "Erm, no. That sounds really sad doesn't it?"
13:39 saracen any*
13:39 saracen She told me nothing was happening in her life easier
13:39 sth I try to annoy them as much as possible
13:39 saracen I GUESSED THAT.
13:41 saracen sth: Do you say things like "This is a really shit phone call, in that youre asking me questions I've already given answers to. But on the plus side, you've got a sexy voice and I'm having a sly wank. please continue"
13:41 sth No, I like to make it sound as awkward as possible
13:41 saracen At least, I was about to say that to her, but I reached the point of no return and just said "Eughghghhhh."
13:43 sth 9/10 I just hang up
13:49 saracen depends what its for
13:49 saracen If I get a call and its clearly about shit
13:49 saracen i just hang up
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13:49 sth "Do you want double glazing?" *click*
13:50 saracen "Do you want double glazing?" "Thats what she said." "huh?" *click*
13:50 saracen Very similar
13:51 horros I used to sport with keeping telemarketers on the phone for as long as possible.
13:51 horros I think 35-or-so minutes was my record with a magazine salesbloke.
13:52 sth I'd do that by asking random questions
13:52 saracen I've always found it really weird people ring you to ask if you want windows. Most people probably have double glazing now. It just seems really redundant. It's like ringing up to ask somebody if they'd be interesting in buying a spoon, or any everyday item
13:52 sth "Can I make papermaché out of it?"
13:53 horros saracen: I've had someone call me up asking if I want to buy razors.
13:53 horros I told them I'm an orthodox jew and don't shave.
13:53 saracen lol
13:54 horros I'm not sure she bought it though.
13:54 saracen In a really deep voice, you could have said you were a woman. I suppose it depends on the company behind it though, like some dont make womens razors
13:55 horros I'm pretty sure it was Gillette.
13:56 saracen lawl, just reminded me of when I was young. My dad had to go see somebody, I can't remember what it was about now. But a person opened the door and my dad said "Is your husband in", and he said "Huh? What. I am the husband. I mean, it's me. I'm a man". My dad appologised. The guy even looked like a man, but he must have been wearing his wifes, pink dressing gown
14:00 MikeSeth lol my cell provider kept sending me spam
14:00 MikeSeth until one day they sent me a "new year prayer"
14:01 MikeSeth so i called them and told them that im an atheist and if they dont stop theyll find themselves on the front pages of [big local newspaper] for religious oppression
14:01 MikeSeth no more spam so far
14:01 impl saracen: you have to talk to a person to activate your credit cards?
14:02 impl we just punch in our birthday, social security number, and the number on the card to a robot and it tells us 'Your card is now activated!' and hangs up
14:02 saracen impl: I didnt with my other card, it was a robot
14:02 impl ohokay
14:02 saracen Yeah, I did with my last one. Maybe its some credit crunch thing, where they want to convince you to buy all this shit you dont need + charge you for a 15 minute call
14:04 saracen haha, I'm seriously trolling that dude that makes tcl scripts for eggdrops
14:04 saracen perplexa
14:07 MikeSeth impl: we dont even have that
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14:08 MikeSeth you get the card and an envelope with the pin code
14:08 MikeSeth no activation bs
14:08 saracen we get that + the activation =(
14:08 saracen Then you need to activate it online
14:08 saracen From that moment on, you can sign in with a guessable username and guessable password
14:12 sth No one will be able to guess my username for barclays, I can't even remember it
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14:25 horros MikeSeth: Same.
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14:26 MikeSeth well israel has an universal identity system
14:26 MikeSeth so on any bank logon you actually input username, password AND id number
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14:27 horros I input my username (some 8 numbers or so), my password and a constantly chaning six-digit numbe.r
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14:28 MikeSeth horros: oh they gave you an rca token or smth?
14:28 horros Nah, it asks you for security code "42", and you look that up on a small card
14:29 MikeSeth fail
14:29 saracen is the small reference card per customer? :D
14:29 horros Nono, we all share the same card.
14:29 horros ...
14:29 saracen how pointless
14:30 horros Of course it's per customer.
14:30 horros Don't be silly.
14:32 saracen Oh, i thought it was AwesomeProtection, like my natwest login which just asks me to provide 3 letters of my password, but different letters each time.
14:33 horros hah
14:33 horros anyways.
14:33 horros hoem tiem
14:33 horros ->
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14:40 E_mE sth: reason to kill Virgin Media: http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html
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14:45 sth yeah
14:46 sth Bethere/O2 is the best isp in the UK
14:46 sth but the 50Mbit users have full access :)
14:51 simoncpu ironically, i'm making a ui for traffic shaping right now
14:51 simoncpu it's like i'm making weapons for dictators to opress the people
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15:11 E_mE sth: when my contract ends with Sky, I'll be using o2/Be
15:12 E_mE simoncpu: put a hack into it ;)
15:15 simoncpu hehehe... i don't want to go to prison... =)
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15:29 saracen I wish I could get Be where I live =(
15:29 E_mE how comes you can't?
15:30 saracen they require LLU enabled exchanges
15:31 saracen http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/EMWHAPL
15:31 saracen :D
15:34 sth And saracen sucks
15:35 MikeSeth our telco is deploying ngn network
15:35 MikeSeth soon we're all gonna have 50mbps
15:35 E_mE ouch saracen you out in the sticks
15:35 saracen E_mE: Yeah. =(
15:36 E_mE even Cornwall has better connections then you
15:36 MikeSeth btw all
15:36 MikeSeth www.simplynoise.com
15:36 E_mE and thats saying a lot considering McDonalds only arrived like 10 years ago heh
15:36 saracen Why make me depressed, E_mE?
15:37 E_mE force you to move to a better place and 'GET With the times!'
15:38 E_mE MikeSeth: what an odd concept
15:44 MikeSeth very nice though
15:44 MikeSeth nicely blocks out the crap noise coming out from other offices
15:44 MikeSeth walls are thing here
15:44 MikeSeth this building is shit
15:47 E_mE head phones?
15:50 saracen GET /with_the_times HTTP1.1
15:54 simoncpu HTTP/1.x 404 Not Found
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16:49 saracen simoncpu: I'm going to timeout unless you do another carriage return
16:56 impl
16:57 E_mE impl: I know exactly what you mean! here here!!
16:57 impl :D
16:58 v-dogg hey, how did I clear the content cache again
16:58 v-dogg by group
16:59 impl delete the directory? :>
17:01 saracen impl: You know how to play the game, simoncpu clearly doesn't =(
17:02 saracen I'm fed up of emailing my boss. I don't want him to come on IRC and see me trolling, shaking my arse though.
17:02 saracen Maybe I should install a jabber server
17:02 saracen But then I'm wondered he'll know when I'm working.
17:02 saracen worried*
17:02 saracen Like, in to early hours of the morning, and then getting up at 3am
17:02 saracen err
17:03 saracen 3pm*
17:03 saracen I need something like facebook messaging. faster than email, but slower than real time
17:04 sth twitter
17:04 sth Text messages
17:05 saracen twitters a bit public though
17:05 saracen I need like UDP IRC
17:06 sth Twitter is fine
17:06 saracen Where you dont actually have to connect and be about
17:07 sth sets fire to saracen's hair
17:07 saracen I've never used twiiter
17:07 saracen err
17:07 saracen twitter*
17:07 sth I use it a fair bit
17:07 simoncpu plurk plurk plurk
17:08 saracen sth: For communication with colleagues?
17:08 sth Sure, only Felix and David are on it from BX though
17:08 saracen It's just for when I'm explaining things, but I want to escape the whole formalities. I dont want him being like "Hi arran" each time on an instant message client
17:08 simoncpu 01:03 < saracen> impl: You know how to play the game, simoncpu clearly doesn't =( <--- YOU HAVE LOST THE GAME
17:08 simoncpu mwahahaha
17:09 saracen I INVENTED THE GAME
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17:09 saracen sth: Can you block other people from seeing the messages then?
17:09 sth It's all or nothing
17:09 saracen thats what she said
17:09 sth You can't select certain messages to be private, but you can set your profile to be private
17:10 sth so only people you follow can see them
17:10 simoncpu saracen: i find plurk better than twitter
17:10 simoncpu because you can interact with various plurkmates, and you can set specific plurks private
17:10 saracen sth: I see. Bah, I think I'll go down the jabber route
17:10 sth loser
17:10 sth It'll never be as cool as the bx jabber server
17:10 saracen simoncpu: If you say plurk again, I'm going to hunt you down and rape you
17:10 saracen What a terrible name
17:11 simoncpu plurk?
17:11 simoncpu :D
17:11 saracen Does anybody know where simoncpu lives?
17:11 sth He really wants to be raped.
17:11 saracen I'm going to plurk him
17:11 sth wtf is aplurk
17:11 simoncpu uh... "Arran" sounds male
17:11 simoncpu i'm straight, dude... :p
17:11 sth It is.
17:12 sth simoncpu: Hence the rape part
17:12 saracen THIS JUST IN: RAPE VICTIMS DON'T GET ASKED THEIR SEXUAL PREFERENCE
17:12 simoncpu plurk is an improved twitter
17:12 saracen sth, I was going to rape you but then I realised you might not like to be raped.
17:13 saracen It's not an improvement on the name
17:13 saracen plurkmates, how terrible is that
17:14 saracen If I told one of my female friends I might plurk them later, I'd be sure to get a slap
17:14 sth plurk is retarded
17:14 saracen A plurk right to the face, no doubt
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17:14 saracen Have you seen their site? lol
17:14 saracen "Tired of your existing Social Networks?
17:14 saracen Share your life easily with friends, family and fans."
17:14 nfq [n=nfq@dyn.83-228-154-242.dsl.vtx.ch] has joined #agavi
17:15 saracen Which kinda translates to: Tired of sharing your life on other social network sites? Share your life on our clone of other network sites
17:19 simoncpu http://tinyurl.com/nkbg8h
17:30 saracen simoncpu: http://tinyurl.com/nkbg8h
17:31 v-dogg < impl> delete the directory? :>
17:31 v-dogg gives impl the evil eye
17:33 sth v-dogg: I wouldn't, he gets turned on by such things
17:34 saracen socket puppets really does it though
17:34 saracen err
17:34 saracen sock*
17:35 saracen sth: What jabber client does BX use?
17:36 sth adium
17:37 sth But then again, we all use macs
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20:24 benschi huomenta
20:26 sth Hey
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20:33 benschi sth: 9day to go :)
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20:37 benschi october fest I'm coming for ya :)
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20:45 sth benschi: errr..
20:45 sth :D
20:45 sth Got your agavi shirt ready?
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20:47 benschi no sir
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21:06 sth benschi: I'm sure you'll be issued with one
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21:53 krycek_ what do you use/recommend for deploying/publishing a web page?
21:54 saracen I use rsync
21:54 saracen Because I can do it straight from my svn directory, without having to export first
21:54 saracen (you can tell rsync to avoid certain files, like those in .svn/)
21:55 krycek_ and something especial for db changes?
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23:15 krycek_ saracen: i had never given a chance to rsync. I decided to try it now after your suggestion... unbelieveble result
23:15 krycek_ i always thought it would be slow... but its fantastic
23:16 saracen :D
23:17 saracen About the db changes, I dont know whats best. I generally use phpmyadmin or just command line mysql tool to import a db, because I rarely change the database
23:17 impl rsync is the only thing I could get to work for us at work
23:17 impl svn exports failed absolutely miserably when you try to do them on 50 servers simultaneously
23:19 saracen This has nothing to do with rsync, you just wanted to tell everybody how many servers he can deal with simultaneously!
23:19 saracen But yeah, svn export fails on one server for me
23:21 impl YOU try running 50 servers that have to behave identically in different physical locations
23:22 saracen dont wanna
23:22 impl bitch.
23:22 saracen My fakeagavi is much faster.
23:23 saracen It supports actions, views, routing and slots. In a similar, but half baked manner. What should be next?
23:25 impl We don't use Agavi :p
23:25 saracen you probably dont even use PHP :P
23:25 impl We do use PHP
23:25 saracen do you use a framework?
23:25 impl But I'm slowly migrating everything from PHP to Ruby, Python and Java.
23:26 impl Nah
23:26 impl Well, we have some stuff done with ZFW
23:26 impl Our revenue-generating application is literally like 600 lines total though.
23:26 impl Brilliant stuff.
23:26 saracen pm me what it is, I can make a startup in the UK.
23:27 impl nah :D
23:27 saracen I'll pay you
23:27 impl http://adknowledge.com/uk/
23:27 impl 'fraid you're too late
23:27 saracen Oh yeah, I just remembered where you work :P
23:28 impl Too immoral for you?
23:28 saracen so its an advertising platform thing?
23:28 impl Yeah, well, kinda.
23:28 saracen I have morals? Hi. I'm saracen.
23:28 impl Let's talk about how you won't fuck things besides your boat.
23:29 saracen I've sailed plenty of different dreamboats
23:29 impl That's a lie and you know it.
23:29 saracen Fine, I have morals
23:29 impl pwned.
23:29 saracen Im a feminist and everything
23:29 impl impl 1 saracen 0
23:29 saracen I could really have done with #main today, first troll in ages
23:29 saracen i actually missed it
23:30 impl :(
23:30 saracen Theres a guy on quakenet staff who was actually bragging about fucking a 15 year old, Jenny, who is also in the channel. He obviously didnt realise that even if she doesnt tell the authorities, and that if somebody else does
23:30 saracen He'd still be in a heap of shit
23:31 saracen he said he wouldnt, so I said to solve the argument, I'd report it and we'll find out
23:31 saracen He's been shitting himself all day.
23:31 impl rofl
23:31 impl You're a bastard.
23:31 saracen But apparently he's quakenet staff. I've been killed and had my "Q account" suspended
23:32 impl ooh, tough luck.
23:32 saracen I use irssi, it doesnt make clear you've been killed. So people were like "what happened" and I had no idea what was going on
23:32 impl At least it wasn't a marginally useful network like Freenode
23:32 saracen Theres a bunch of ircops in the channel. So I'm making it obvious that I'm not even noticing the kills, and I never used my Q account - I'd forgotten I had one
23:32 impl haha
23:33 saracen Somebody pasted me the like "Q account suspended", and I was like "What? I was killed again? And I had a Q account lol?"
23:34 saracen I suspect I'll get one in 50 minutes, that seems to be around about the time he can convice a ircop that doesnt know the story to do something to me
23:34 saracen Anyway, all I actually got was his postcode. But I could get everything
23:34 impl You guys have stupid postal codes.
23:34 saracen Because guess who gave me his postcode? Jenny. The girl he fucked. She's of legal age now, and she's pissing herself laughing.
23:34 saracen Oh, he's a german
23:34 impl oh
23:35 saracen But yeah, UK has stupid postal codes
23:35 saracen Bet you thought that when sending out those elephpants
23:35 impl yup
23:36 saracen I think I should implement some sort of filter in my agavi ripoff
23:36 impl nah.
23:36 saracen yah
23:37 impl it's your project, not mine
23:37 saracen http://pastebin.com/d1047d79a
23:37 saracen That too basic for routing do you think?
23:37 impl oh
23:37 saracen pastebin+fuckedalignment=win
23:37 impl this isn't the C++ version anymore?
23:37 impl well, this is worthless then.
23:38 impl if I wanted a PHP version of Agavi I'd use Agavi.
23:38 saracen No, that's still there and it's "basics" closely resemble agavi
23:38 saracen But, I figured I'd do a basic version in PHP and then maybe port that to C++
23:38 saracen Because theres a lot of things I dont understand why Agavi does
23:38 saracen and the developers here dont like reveiling details because they dont understand I'm ripping the shit off
23:39 saracen Which is understandable, to them I'm an end user, rather than a hacker of internals
23:40 saracen http://pastebin.com/d6f3cae0a
23:40 saracen Output types :), which is more about the decorators and slots than it is actual output types yet
23:41 saracen http://pastebin.com/d75f5096c
23:41 saracen an action :)
23:41 saracen Not sure sure about the namespaces yet. I couldnt work out if it should be project\actions\module or w/e, I dont know what order
23:42 impl heh
23:42 saracen validation needs to suppose validator classes
23:42 saracen to support*
23:42 impl http://cynigram.com/~nfontes/mojavi/
23:42 saracen But you might know how to answer this. Why is $rd passed to every method of an action? :)
23:42 impl To ensure idempotency, probably.
23:42 saracen I've downloaded that before. I did think about updating it to php5.3
23:43 impl needs a sammich.
23:43 saracen I'm not entirely sure what idempotency means, but doesnt that imply that changes to $rd don't effect the world?
23:43 saracen Because they do =(
23:49 impl no, they mean that if you pass the same input, it'll give you the same output
23:49 impl which I guess isn't necessarily true of actions anyway.
23:49 impl so *shrug*
23:49 saracen views are the same imo
23:50 saracen So yeah, its things like this that stopped me with the C++ version
23:50 saracen Because I haven't heard of a reason why I should be passing around an object
23:50 impl well, there's a lot of stuff in Agavi that is legacy from Mojavi 3
23:50 impl there's probably a decent chance that's one of those things
23:51 saracen Yeah, attributes used to be passed I think. The only reason I could come up with for passing $rd, was because it looks weird not passing *anything* :)
23:51 saracen It looks so dumb all on its own, accepting no input.
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23:52 impl god damn it, I got mustard on my bed.
23:52 impl may need to invest in a table sometime soon here
23:52 saracen haha
23:52 saracen My beard is seriously getting annoying
23:52 saracen Oh, btw, did you see my devil picture?
23:52 impl no
23:53 saracen http://www.fiveturns.org/mugs_.png
23:53 saracen Each of these are going on a mug each, for my friends birthday
23:54 saracen To put him off his tea everyday.
23:54 saracen I'm the first "do not want" image.
23:54 saracen if youve forgotten what I look like :P
23:54 saracen second image is Helen, aka. Boat.
23:54 saracen last image is actually *real* boats sister.
23:55 impl haha.
23:55 impl nice photoshop blurs there where you couldn't cut them out nicely.
23:56 impl very professional. :D
23:56 saracen Yeah, not my fault. Mine and Helens was done against a whiteish wall, as I requested, on a semi-decent camera
23:56 saracen The 2 bottom left are camera phones, on a grey wall. The 3rd one along was actually dont with a decent camera, but against a BROWN wall
23:56 saracen hence his hair at the top is fucked
23:56 impl haha
23:57 saracen If only they'd have done what I requested, useless fucking friends
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23:57 saracen But hopefully they'll "do" for the comical effect
23:57 impl I'm sure :p
23:58 saracen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loWFypHb48k
23:59 impl I can't understand what he's saying
23:59 impl oh haha
Day changed Tue Sep 22 2009
00:00 saracen "This is BBC world news, I'm Jonathan Charles kept hidden for almost 2 decades and forced to bare children" :)
00:00 saracen He doesn't stop to breath
00:00 saracen skillz
00:00 impl he has a stupid name
00:01 saracen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDC05bqP2qQ&feature=related
00:01 saracen these are awesome
00:02 saracen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFPMbUGCPis&feature=related
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00:10 saracen impl: So you rewriting the PHP code, are you using any frameworks for the other languages?
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00:15 impl saracen: oh, I was kidding about that. We just wrote a big chunk of it in PHP and I don't think there are any intentions to use anything else.
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07:40 _cheerios huomenta
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07:53 ttj Yo.
07:55 _cheerios saw an n900 again. couldn't take my eyes off it. :p
07:55 ttj :)
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08:04 Jarda I'd like to have one also
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08:56 E_mE http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/quiz/newsid_2118000/2118070.stm <--- hehehe question 9
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09:05 horros Yayi!
09:05 horros 10 out of 10!
09:05 horros <- very smart!
09:07 simoncpu_ i got 1. i thought it was a parody site or something,
09:07 simoncpu_ until i realized that it was bbc
09:07 simoncpu_ i mean, throwing eggs at them is the right thing to do to MPs, right?
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09:11 _cheerios joins the horros club with this quiz
09:12 horros _cheerios: ^5!
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10:20 nfq yo Xylakant
10:20 Xylakant hi
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10:32 _cheerios how is user restrictions done in lunix? like, adding a new user, is there a easy/quick way to bind their access to certain directory. doesn't need to be nuclear-proof solution.
10:33 simoncpu chown user directory
10:34 simoncpu chmod 700 directory
10:35 simoncpu _cheerios: oh wait... what do you mean by bind?
10:35 simoncpu you mean chroot?
10:35 _cheerios i need to give access to a 3rd party for some logs
10:35 _cheerios would be nice if they dont get to do much more than that :)
10:36 _cheerios via sftp
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10:42 simoncpu ah, then you need chroot
10:43 _cheerios meh. need to patch openssh, and do all kinds of wonky stuff.
10:45 _cheerios ah, "Since version 4.8, OpenSSH supports chrooting"
10:45 simoncpu openssh has built-in chroot, i think
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11:54 WasabiCat Wasabi E_mE
11:55 E_mE hi
11:56 nfq Xylakant: you got time for a chat today?
11:56 E_mE hows it going WasabiCat ?
11:56 E_mE you managed to resolve that problem yday?
11:59 WasabiCat E_mE: no
11:59 WasabiCat I get a 500 on all routes
11:59 WasabiCat I'm sure it's some setting or something
11:59 E_mE you got .htaccess setup ?
11:59 WasabiCat but I'm not sure what
11:59 WasabiCat yeah it's all setup
11:59 WasabiCat and I had routes working before
12:00 E_mE what did you do before it went tits up?
12:00 E_mE or was it the pull that did it?
12:00 WasabiCat hm
12:00 sth nfq: He's at lunch atm
12:00 WasabiCat I haven't played around with the html interface much at all
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12:02 sth nfq_: He's at lunch atm
12:03 nfq_ sth: thanks mate
12:04 v-dogg WasabiCat: 500 server error?
12:04 WasabiCat yes
12:04 v-dogg are you sure it isn't agavi's exception template you are seeing?
12:06 WasabiCat yeah it's just a blank page
12:06 E_mE v-dogg: YES!
12:06 WasabiCat but I'm on it
12:06 E_mE i knew i remembered that problem from somewhere, Mr Rendez infact
12:07 MikeSeth WasabiCat: put a die('foo') in first line of index.php
12:07 v-dogg WasabiCat: is it a debian machine by any change?
12:07 Rendez HTML entities
12:07 E_mE MikeSeth: done that already :P
12:07 Rendez must be utf8
12:07 MikeSeth that's how I always diagnose this :P
12:07 v-dogg tities... hihi
12:08 WasabiCat v-dogg: no mac os
12:08 WasabiCat ah the empty exception template
12:09 v-dogg change it, figure out the exception, solve problems
12:09 v-dogg profit
12:09 v-dogg :)
12:10 WasabiCat thank you thank you thank you
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12:26 _cheerios google chrome blue screened on me
12:26 MikeSeth lies
12:27 _cheerios i shit you not. killed the processes. works again.
12:27 simoncpu yo _cheerios, i'm really happy for you and imma let you finish,
12:28 simoncpu but firefox is the best browser in the world!
12:28 simoncpu of all time!!!
12:28 sth Safari 4 > *
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12:28 simoncpu yo sth, i'm really happy for you and imma let you finish, but firefox with grapple theme is the best browser of all time!!!!
12:28 E_mE sth: all web browser will piss me off unless they sort out there memory problems!
12:29 simoncpu yo E_mE, i'm really happy for you and imma let you finish, but firefox is the leakiest browser of all time!!!
12:29 MikeSeth yo simoncpu I'm really happy for you and imma let you finish, but Kanye West is the best meme forcing jackass of all time
12:30 simoncpu of all time!!!11!
12:30 sth yo MikeSeth, I'm really happy for you and i'm gonna let you finish, but recusion is the best recursion of all time... of all time!
12:30 MikeSeth it are fact
12:30 MikeSeth 4chan owns yuo
12:31 sth that reminds me
12:31 simoncpu moot is the most influencial dude of all time!
12:31 sth http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs222.snc1/6935_1191888873419_11142​90114_30652670_6750980_n.jpg
12:31 sth sfw
12:31 E_mE simoncpu: no, adams cock is
12:33 MikeSeth actually zombocom spammed the polls
12:33 MikeSeth lol
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12:49 mknet Huomenta everybody
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12:51 mknet I just tried to debug my agavi app with PDT and the ZendDebugger and got an error message back which says about skipping an import 'coz the namesapce was already imported
12:52 mknet I search for the error on the web and found one pastie entry which sounds familiar to me :)
12:52 mknet http://pastie.org/576778.txt
12:53 mknet Does anybody know something about this issue?
12:53 MikeSeth mm lessee
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12:54 mknet it's not exactly the message I got
12:55 MikeSeth well your xml doesnt match your local schema
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12:55 MikeSeth oh wait
12:55 MikeSeth this isnt your error?
12:56 MikeSeth "skipping import" is usually one of the first lines in an exception when target xml is malformed
12:56 MikeSeth you probably want to read the whole message
12:56 mknet it reads as follows:
12:56 mknet http://pastie.org/625819
12:57 mknet this is my error
12:57 mknet The strange thing is that the error occurs only while I'm debugging
12:57 MikeSeth Line 2: Element '{http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config}configurations': No matching global declaration available for the validation root
12:58 MikeSeth are you debugging in a separate agavi environment?
12:59 MikeSeth paste the config itself i guess
12:59 mknet no it's the same environment as in the deployed version
13:01 MikeSeth scratches head
13:01 MikeSeth libxml broken? O_O
13:01 MikeSeth this happens when you don't have a root element that the schema requires
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13:04 mknet obviously :-D
13:04 mknet okay, I just that you guys could have a clear idea of the issue. I'm going to make out the cause of the error and will get back to you
13:04 mknet hmm
13:05 MikeSeth mknet: imo capture the invocation envo eg with livehttpheaders or firebug and replay it
13:07 mknet that would work out and wouldn't solve the issue. It works fine executing it via the browser and xampp
13:07 mknet it's just a "debugging issue" LOL
13:07 MikeSeth no, can't happen, something in the environment is causing this
13:07 MikeSeth the request is different in some way from the one you'd send with a browser
13:08 MikeSeth are you SURE youre not running the debug instance under another version of webserver/php/debugger/libxml?
13:08 benschi mknet: the actual error is just Line 2: Element '{http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config}configurations': No matching global declaration available for the validation root.
13:08 benschi the skipping just means, that the parser already knows the namespace
13:08 mknet I have to check in detail and will get back to you, okay?
13:09 benschi somewhat like include_once
13:10 benschi but i don't understand the error message at all
13:11 mknet hmm
13:12 luke` is a function that checks whether a file has already been cached, a good candidate for a routing callback?
13:14 benschi mknet: could you paste line 2 of the settings.xml?
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13:14 mknet sure
13:15 mknet it's a really special line ;)
13:15 mknet <configurations xmlns="http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config">;
13:15 benschi try ae:configuration :)
13:15 benschi ae:configurations
13:16 benschi since 1.0 most of the config files are prefixed with ae
13:16 mknet yeah, I also thought the same as I pressed Cmd + V ;)
13:16 mknet yeah, I use those prefixes in other files
13:16 benschi same goes for configuration and parameters and parameter
13:17 mknet but didn't upgraded all config files yet
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13:19 luke` MikeSeth: ^
13:21 mknet same story
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13:22 benschi ah well at least I tried to help ya
13:23 mknet you're right and I am really grateful :)
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13:28 MikeSeth so its fixed?
13:28 MikeSeth luke`: wot
13:29 benschi MikeSeth: no, doesn't seem like
13:29 luke` i am intending to generate pdf invoices and cache them. Can I use routing callback to check if the pdf is already generated?
13:30 benschi mknet: btw this is from a new project <ae:configurations xmlns:ae="http://agavi.org/agavi/config/global/envelope/1.0"; xmlns="http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/settings/1.0">;
13:31 benschi a new projects settings.xml
13:31 luke` MikeSeth: any thoughts?
13:32 graste luke`: perhaps fragement caching is what you could try - if you've got an output type PDF you may try it - and if it works you'll send me a snippet for the FAQ ;)
13:32 graste executePdf() {...return $pdf; }
13:32 MikeSeth luke`: yes, though that's more of a caching issue imo
13:33 luke` ok
13:33 luke` the routing callback is still a gray area to me
13:33 luke` when/why do you use it?
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13:33 graste with output_types.xml headers like content-type disposition etc. for d/l; common pdf route for .pdf etc
13:33 MikeSeth mknet: as I said, record requests with and without debugging and compare them
13:33 mknet benschi: Okay, I'm gonna copy the line to my configuration
13:35 mknet same story ...
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13:36 graste routing callbacks are nice, when you want to save some keystrokes while generating urls with $ro->gen() OR if you have to decide whether the current url should match or not (on some complex logic) OR if you want to return a reponse directly (1.0.1+; like a 404 container) OR if you want to set some cookies/req attributes/whatever when some routes matches etc.pp.
13:36 graste many possibilities
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13:39 mknet oh wait, i got another error
13:40 mknet I guess the prefix thing is the solution
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13:57 nfq yo Xylakant
13:58 Xylakant hi, no time, sorry
13:58 Xylakant tomorrow
13:58 Xylakant unless its very very urgent
13:58 nfq Xylakant: no, it's fine.. but lets find time tomorrow please
13:58 nfq thanks dude
13:59 mknet Okay, it was fixed by using prefixes for the envelope elements :-D
14:00 Xylakant nfq: i'll try, i should manage that
14:00 nfq thanks Xylakant and it won't take long
14:02 benschi \o/
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14:06 Rayne do you hardcode your agavi apps (for instance routes like /news/xyz) or do you use a more generic setup, which allows the enduser to define own routes and for instance content modules (via web-ui)? like specialized applications or generic applications
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14:16 benschi Rayne: Well if your app is like a blog, then i would make sense to identify posts by /post/hello-im-a-post instead of /post/3
14:17 benschi but I'll make both available via route and DB
14:21 Rayne benschi, but you could even create a dynamic routing system for the blog posts by using an web user interface which allows to create "new blogs" with own routings (could require a new routing class or could be build upon a slot based system [just an idea] which triggers some modules)
14:22 Rayne i wonder if agavi is better to create specialized systems (with defined input fields and routes) or generic systems, which are editable by the enduser (like "add new blog with route base /blog2/)
14:24 Rayne like the default validation rules are perfect for specialized systems where the developer knows which input fields are requested by the customer
14:31 saracen sth: 9 days until SGU.
14:32 E_mE SGU?
14:32 E_mE Sid Grins uncontrollably :D
14:33 benschi Rayne: I think agavi is more meant for well-defined systems, then for generic once
14:34 MikeSeth Rayne: sure you can :P
14:36 saracen E_mE: Stargate Universe
14:36 Rayne my thoughts exactly @ benschi
14:36 MikeSeth saracen: you BETTER like Defying Gravity
14:37 benschi but as mike says, "you can.."
14:37 MikeSeth Rayne: you can do this with XSLT
14:37 saracen MikeSeth: Never heard of it
14:37 Rayne i have not negated it :)
14:37 MikeSeth saracen: holy shit what!!!
14:37 saracen recommended watch? :)
14:37 MikeSeth saracen: absolutely
14:37 saracen I'll get on the down
14:37 MikeSeth 10 episodes are out already
14:38 MikeSeth last one had us gaping for air
14:38 Rayne MikeSeth, with xslt? sound's interesting - i will search for something to read about that hint
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14:39 MikeSeth Rayne: Agavi XML configuration supports XSL transformation, Wombert sometimes does cool stuff with it like custom XML configuration which allows you to do exactly what you want
14:39 benschi MikeSeth: I don't understand how dynamic routes can be created using xslt
14:40 MikeSeth benschi: for just that you dont even need XSL IMO
14:40 MikeSeth you just parametrize
14:40 Wombert I don't think xslt would be helpful here
14:40 Wombert callbacks?
14:41 MikeSeth Wombert: yep
14:41 MikeSeth and you too btw, all of you
14:41 MikeSeth WATCH DEFYING GRAVITY
14:41 MikeSeth i dunno how this series slipped under everyone's nose
14:41 MikeSeth it's brilliant, scientific and 100% bs free
14:44 saracen theres dvd rips ;x
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14:45 impl zoomj
14:45 saracen jzoom
14:45 MikeSeth oh
14:45 MikeSeth and most important
14:45 MikeSeth Caprica is coming soon
14:45 MikeSeth must
14:45 MikeSeth want
14:45 MikeSeth can has?!
14:46 impl wat?
14:46 MikeSeth Caprica
14:46 MikeSeth the prequel to BSG
14:46 MikeSeth it makes you pedo
14:46 MikeSeth seriously
14:47 benschi Caprica was damn hot in these ultra tight latex suites
14:47 MikeSeth benschi: you've seen the first ep right
14:48 benschi Sure
14:48 benschi all of them, even the old BST
14:48 MikeSeth man I cant even adequately describe the feelings that thing caused in me
14:48 benschi BSG
14:48 benschi I can guess.
14:48 MikeSeth no I mean first ep of caprica, it was released on DVD but never broadcasted
14:48 benschi ow wait -> finder
14:49 benschi yes have seen it, but i don't recall any pictures right noe
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14:50 MikeSeth remember when Zoey comes to the teacher? and the teacher talks to her and then draws the infinity logo on the table with her finger?
14:50 MikeSeth that creeped the fuck outta me
14:50 MikeSeth i was all like
14:50 MikeSeth "o shi.. here be cylons"
14:50 saracen lol
14:50 saracen I watched it
14:50 saracen Was alright
14:50 saracen Got the woman from deadwood in it
14:51 MikeSeth i liked virtual virgin sacrifices
14:51 saracen Those little kiddies were pretty hawt.
14:51 MikeSeth yeah as I said
14:51 impl uh.
14:51 MikeSeth makes you pedo lol
14:51 saracen :D
14:51 impl pix ... ?
14:51 impl !
14:52 saracen It made sense there was 2 of them at the start. If you had that in the virtual world, you'd never leave.
14:52 saracen impl: naw
14:52 impl oic
14:52 MikeSeth http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3362/3451955234_97678dbbeb.jpg
14:52 impl she's white
14:52 saracen haha
14:52 saracen Her face is a bit boat like, too
14:53 impl YOUR MOM IS A BIT BOAT LIKE
14:53 saracen But I'd dock her
14:53 saracen not my mum
14:53 saracen fuck you, mr. timealot
14:53 impl :D
14:53 MikeSeth floods impl with linetrap vids
14:54 impl saracen: I'd set it to the topic but I'm afraid it's too long
14:55 impl is hungry.
14:58 saracen impl: Thats what she said
14:58 impl she's hungry?
14:59 saracen fu
14:59 impl YOU SUX AT TIMING LOLS
15:00 saracen YOU SUX AT BEING NORMAL
15:00 impl THAT'S WHY I MAKE TWICE THE $ AS YOU
15:00 saracen im on fire with my comebacks
15:00 saracen You make like 5x, fool
15:00 saracen another fine comeback!
15:00 impl whatever
15:00 impl I didn't want to over-estimate
15:05 saracen thats what she said
15:06 Rayne Wombert, you mentioned the callbacks as the routing ones (do not know if there are more)? they look a little bit "hacky" because of that parameter reference passing but interesting
15:06 Wombert no time
15:06 Wombert sorry
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15:07 Rayne meh, yust yes|no would had be enough to know .-.
15:07 Rayne yust … arg
15:08 impl the S-Bahn comes in probably 6 or 7 minutes
15:08 impl and he's timing it exactly perfectly so he can get home in exactly 21 minutes
15:09 benschi lol @impl
15:09 impl I'm serious
15:11 sth saracen: Yay, only 9 days!
15:12 Rayne lol impl
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15:43 simoncpu uh, caprica?
15:43 simoncpu is there a 2nd episode for caprica?
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17:02 Jarda how to get a file from stdin (PUT)?
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19:39 Rayne i am searching for an agavi callback overview (a list of callbacks) - the api did not help much (there is only one class and one interface!?)
19:39 Rayne i hope you guys know a website which refers them
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19:43 v-dogg routing callbacks?
19:43 v-dogg or caching?
19:44 Rayne v-dogg, are there only routing and caching callbacks?
19:45 Rayne if yes: then i need no callback listing;)
19:45 v-dogg I can't think of anything else
19:45 v-dogg but I'm just a noob
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19:58 graste1 anyone used caching callbacks? would like to see something useful done with them ^^
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20:10 Rayne v-dogg, you are kidding?
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20:31 digitarald anybody an idea when the caching system of agavi will be standalone?
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20:32 digitarald Wombert planned it for some time now
20:32 digitarald was always a nice-to-have
20:33 impl I think we first outlined that in like early 2008
20:33 impl so 'someday'
20:37 digitarald and dispatcher system?
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20:37 graste1 dispatcher system?
20:37 digitarald was a gsoc project, but it would be soo useful
20:37 digitarald event system
20:38 digitarald observer pattern
20:38 digitarald publish/subscribe pattern
20:38 digitarald hooks, if made simple
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20:40 graste1 :)
20:41 digitarald its in the gsoc list
20:41 _cheerios pubsubhubbubsubpub!-p
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20:41 digitarald now somebody else has to make it who is not student ;)
20:41 graste1 like yourself?
20:42 digitarald I would convert http://components.symfony-project.org/event-dispatcher/ … after review and getting suggestions on how to make it better and what I should not copy ;)
20:42 digitarald I need it sooner or later
20:42 digitarald but maybe I should wait for a CMS project to be finished, it should be already in there
20:44 digitarald if we have that in agavi core, integrating plugins will be so much easier
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20:45 digitarald and the pattern itself is simple
20:46 graste1 would love to see something like that
20:47 digitarald +1
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20:51 simoncpu i'm drunk
20:52 simoncpu i can't even see the text that i'm typing right now...
20:52 Rayne congratz
20:54 simoncpu f*ck, i can't go home right now
20:54 simoncpu waaaaaaaaaaaaah
20:54 simoncpu i can't go home... i don't know where i am
20:54 simoncpu goes home
20:54 simoncpu blah
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21:04 digitarald going-home-fail
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21:16 krycek_ http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1029 <- the </response> line should be </request>
21:16 krycek_ and "Example app/config/factories.xml for Agavi 0.11 (assuming the affected environment is called "production" and your Apache version is 2.2.19): " in the second example shouldn't be "for Agavi 1.0"?
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21:42 erisco I do not know whether to be unsettled or relieved...
21:43 erisco I just got banned from a forum I had been a member of for many years
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21:56 erisco Wombert, Xylakant
21:57 Xylakant if it's anything that takes more than like 3 minutes - i was just going to bed
21:57 erisco of course, you are always going somewhere, that was guessable ;)
21:58 erisco I just wanted to say hi is all
21:58 Xylakant ah :)
21:58 Xylakant hi :)
21:58 erisco but good night I guess... geez it has to be getting late there
21:58 Xylakant midnight
22:00 erisco just about now then
22:00 erisco should have turned
22:00 impl Wombert:
22:01 sth impl: playing GT4
22:01 sth Yes, we're still in the office
22:01 sth at midnight
22:01 impl Tell him that we're renaming future Agavi releases to use codenames instead of version numbers until release time
22:01 sth again.
22:01 sth heh
22:02 erisco who is making the name generator?
22:02 sth impl: What are the code names?
22:02 impl Popular religious figures.
22:02 impl Agavi 1.1 "Mohommad"
22:02 impl Mohammad even
22:03 sth I want Mother Terasa
22:03 impl that can be 2.0
22:03 sth 1.2?
22:03 erisco clearly you should go from 1.1 to 2.0
22:03 impl 1.2 is "the Jesus"
22:04 sth 1.3?
22:04 impl "L. Ron Hubbard"
22:04 sth Bored at work?
22:04 erisco just call it Hubbard
22:05 impl sth: no, I just don't want to do this thing :(
22:05 impl writing scripts to monitor the output of log files is gay.
22:05 sth see notice
22:05 impl All I've heard is crap about it but no qualifying statements
22:05 impl nice.
22:06 impl I'd respond to you in notice but I'm too lazy
22:06 sth heh
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22:08 erisco so Xylakant is missing out on the fun sth?
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22:08 sth yeah, he has guests
22:08 erisco ah, well that is too bad
22:09 erisco not that I've played GTA4 and probably wouldn't care to
22:09 erisco but the concept of playing a game that I find fun at midnight in the most unlikely of environments sounds fun
22:10 erisco is more of a halo person
22:10 erisco and Urban Terror... a great mix between what I'd classify halo as and what I'd classify quake as
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22:12 sth I'd rather play guitar hero
22:12 erisco aw really?
22:12 sth Or cod
22:13 erisco I hate to be the "GH isn't real guitar" guy but... I mean it in the sense that playing a real instrument is more fun
22:13 erisco I like games that can let me do something that I couldn't do otherwse
22:14 erisco not that I play guitar, but I could learn without dire consequences
22:14 erisco compared to shooting people and blowing up cars :)
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22:15 erisco realistic shooters have me perplexed. I should probably just play them more to figure out exactly what they are about
22:15 erisco the best I had was about an hour of COD4
22:15 Seldaek you must have started playing shooters in the last two years, on consoles
22:16 Seldaek otherwise you wouldn't talk like that
22:16 Seldaek heresy!
22:16 erisco I have played shooters since Quake
22:16 erisco and Doom II or something
22:16 erisco I am only so old you know ;)
22:16 Seldaek how can you play halo then
22:16 sth I've been playing FPS games since wolfenstein
22:16 sth ...the first one
22:17 Seldaek I'd rather play quake all day than hear someone mention halo :p
22:17 erisco because I find its take on shooters enjoyable and that is because of the form of tactics it brings
22:17 sth I'd rather play CoD4
22:17 sth MW2 looks awesome
22:17 Seldaek bahh
22:18 erisco encounters in Halo are really interesting and partly due to the increased complexity they bring
22:18 erisco in my opinion
22:18 Seldaek well I don't agree, at all, ever
22:18 erisco there is the highly strategical end and the arcade/frag-fest end and I really think Halo offers a great setting for strategy
22:18 Seldaek but whatever, I gotta sleep
22:19 erisco you should explain your position Seldaek
22:19 Seldaek well I'm not bashing strategy, I loved the first rainbow six, and even the latest more arcade ones
22:19 Seldaek take the first ghost recon too, or SWAT3 even
22:19 Seldaek there you're talking strategy
22:19 erisco I enjoy Urban Terror thoroughly because it takes arcade frag fests and throws a bit of the strategical play on top (just a sprinkle)
22:20 erisco some realism but not too much
22:20 Seldaek halo is strategy for disabled console gamers
22:20 erisco and I think its wonderful
22:20 erisco I just believe the strategy in halo plays out a lot differently
22:20 erisco in fast paced shooters the strategy is all setting up for the encounter
22:21 erisco whereas in Halo most of the work goes into the encounter itself
22:21 Seldaek well.. try Rainbow Six Vegas 2 if you can
22:21 erisco shields, health, it draws out the process of killing
22:21 Seldaek it's kinda arcady, has been bashed on a lot by hardcore rainbow six fans
22:21 Seldaek myeah I see what you mean
22:22 Seldaek you don't like killing enough :P
22:22 erisco probably not
22:22 erisco to be completely honest, I do not think I get the same thrill that others may
22:22 Seldaek trying to think of something, but I don't know
22:23 erisco I still like shooters but, like you've guessed, the actual killing isn't something I teabag over
22:23 Seldaek crysis had some decent "do this and that while you fight" stuff to get you out of shooting people a bit
22:23 erisco vehicles... vehicles are a load of fun to me
22:23 Seldaek but I don't know.. didn't really enjoy it athat much apart from the eye candy
22:23 erisco I've played the demo of territory wars which was about the only other shooter I got to play with extensive vehicle usage
22:23 erisco I just need to play more variety of shooters really
22:24 Seldaek maybe maybe
22:24 erisco my experience has been quite spotty throughout the advancement of the genre
22:24 erisco Crysis eye candy is pretty amazing
22:24 Seldaek if you haven't, try Deus Ex
22:25 Seldaek awesome storyline, some gadgets and shit to play with as well as shooting people
22:25 erisco Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Deus Ex, okay
22:25 erisco oh, and here is something embarrassing: never played portal and never played half life
22:25 Seldaek deus ex is old, not so shiny anymore, there are some texture packs out there though
22:25 erisco but I have played Red Faction which I greatly enjoyed
22:26 Seldaek yeah that was fun, I grabbed the 2 recently, wonder if it's any good
22:26 Seldaek portal is a great experience but hardly a shooter game
22:26 erisco you shoot portals right?
22:26 erisco that you fall through?
22:26 Seldaek half life well it's a classic so you should play it for the sake of it
22:26 erisco yes
22:26 Seldaek yeah you shoot portals ok
22:27 Seldaek but it's mostly a puzzle game
22:27 erisco puzzle game, yeah, more like it
22:27 Seldaek puzzle/platform sort of
22:27 Seldaek with a gun
22:27 erisco a portal gun
22:27 Seldaek but that's it for the shooter part
22:27 erisco if he did have to kill someone he'd just shoot a portal at their feet
22:27 erisco then one on the ceiling
22:27 erisco and they'd fall forever
22:27 Seldaek yeah
22:28 erisco until dehydration and starvation
22:28 Seldaek well you could accelerate them and then take off the ground portal
22:28 Seldaek and slam
22:28 erisco ouch
22:28 Seldaek it's prettier than starvation
22:28 erisco oh, shoot a portal on the wall behind them and on the wall behind you
22:29 erisco then duck when he shoots
22:29 Seldaek just play the damn thing :p
22:29 erisco I think I've developed enough strategy for it now to just whizz through every level
22:29 erisco is it worth it now?
22:29 Seldaek yes I'm sure you still have to master some things
22:30 erisco hm okay
22:30 erisco Battlezone... I cannot believe I have seen no modern game like it!
22:30 erisco or maybe I missed it
22:30 erisco but I thought Battlezone and Battlezone II were awesome
22:30 erisco really glitchy when it came to some things but really awesome
22:31 Seldaek do you have an account on gog.com ? :p
22:31 erisco hm, no
22:31 Seldaek I see in my catalog that they ahve rainbow six, ghost recon, and painkiller
22:31 erisco if its on PC and old I never feel pain in pirating it
22:32 erisco not that I have the machine to run newer games anyhow, heh
22:32 Seldaek no but it's so cheap and they make sure it runs on win7
22:32 Seldaek and I feel bad for having pirated them when I was a kid
22:32 Seldaek so I figure they deserve $5 now
22:32 erisco and I run Linux so hopefully they run on wine
22:32 Seldaek couldn't say :)
22:33 erisco well, really, my theory is that if the games had been rated G they'd already have been given away on cereal boxes
22:34 Seldaek absolutely
22:34 Seldaek I kinda like the convenience of it though
22:34 erisco and the trustworthiness, quality
22:34 erisco most exciting thing for me is this new cloud computing idea
22:34 Seldaek yeah and well, I still have some kind of redemption feeling even if it's $5
22:35 erisco I hope that flies
22:35 Seldaek yeah that's weird but interesting
22:36 Seldaek and I guess it'd be a blessing for linux gamers
22:36 erisco I still do not comprehend how I, with a really crappy connection, would manage to sustain a consistent (and consistently good) experience
22:36 erisco a blessing for cross platform compatibility yes, so that often includes mac users
22:36 Seldaek yeah that's the only sketchy part, well that and latency
22:36 erisco but also for the game producers as you cannot pirate an unreleased game
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22:36 Seldaek yeah but I don't consider mac users as humans and they are not gamers anyway they just like to polish their apple toys
22:37 Seldaek I just feel bad for the linux folks
22:37 erisco the latency they are addressing, or at least the one company is addressing (not OnLive) with localized servers
22:37 erisco but also, evidently, there is 100ms of delay or so for things like the wiimote
22:37 erisco and who notices that? I haven't
22:37 Seldaek really 100ms?
22:37 erisco that was the claim
22:37 Seldaek but it's console shit, not shooters
22:37 Seldaek of course latency doesn't affect every game the same
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22:38 Seldaek but 100ms can be painful on reaction time really
22:38 erisco my guess is that physical devices tend to be slower but I'd want to get a better analysis than just a winged statistic
22:39 Seldaek however if everyone plays in the cloud and multiplayers game are ran in local networks, I guess it would kinda compensate the lag you usually get to the server
22:39 erisco another huge issue is hardware
22:39 erisco to be cost effective you need a server than can run many games simultaneously
22:40 Seldaek well.. it would be shared hardware so you already have a gain there
22:40 Seldaek of course you've to handle peak hours especially if you have to use localized servers
22:40 erisco yeah, and that is the thing
22:41 erisco I believe their current statistic is 8 instances of COD or something simulaneously
22:41 erisco some shooter
22:41 Seldaek anyway I think I remember saying Ishould go to sleep :p gotta wake up in 5.50, countdown running..
22:41 erisco heheh, good night then
22:41 erisco I have to eat supper
22:41 Seldaek mh
22:41 Seldaek 8 instances on one machine
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22:42 erisco yup
22:42 Seldaek + encoding of the 8 hd streams
22:42 erisco yup
22:42 Seldaek at 60+fps
22:42 erisco and their encoding process is 6ms or something
22:42 erisco nope, 30fps
22:42 Seldaek well I know a lot of people that won't play that at 30fps
22:42 erisco OnLive wants 60fps but Gaikai (I think they're called) says that is ridiculous and is going for 30fps
22:42 Seldaek again, shooters
22:42 erisco yeah well people are unrealistic as to the need of that
22:43 erisco a new frame every 33ms
22:43 Seldaek yes and no
22:43 erisco average human reaction time is 200ms
22:43 Seldaek 60fps does seem more fluid than 30
22:43 Seldaek it's not really about reaction time at that point
22:43 erisco given that various situations change reaction, but
22:43 erisco I'd have to look pretty darn closely I think
22:43 Seldaek just fluidity
22:43 erisco for me its at about 20fps where I start noticing choppiness
22:44 Seldaek especially with horizontal rotations and shit I think you see it
22:44 erisco but anyways, 30fps is what they aim for
22:44 Seldaek yeah, well it's reasonable for most people
22:44 Seldaek the anal 60fps guys will refuse to play on remote hardware anyway
22:44 Seldaek they ain't the target audience I guess
22:44 erisco OnLive wants 60fps and HD and that is basically being criticized as impossible
22:44 Seldaek well it's a good target
22:45 erisco and they claim a 1ms encoding time
22:45 Seldaek I just hope they don't wait until they reach that to release
22:45 erisco which also has some people laughing, but then again Gaikai said they could have specialized encoding hardware made for a 2ms time
22:45 Seldaek myeah.. well that might be possible if you pass the video stream on to dedicated encoding boxes
22:45 Seldaek 1 or 5ms nobody is ever gonna be able to prove they're lying anyway
22:46 Seldaek but that's good in any case
22:46 erisco no not really, and Gaikai said they can do it without anything too special, software driven, in 6ms
22:46 Seldaek I'm mostly only worried about network latency and bandwidth problems
22:46 erisco so they won't bother with that extra expense
22:46 erisco yup
22:46 erisco I have problems streaming video
22:47 erisco ever since our network was hit by lightening something has been off
22:47 erisco really off
22:47 erisco and I have yet to find what
22:47 Seldaek well I'm sure my connection and computer could handle it, and I might survive the 50ms lag
22:47 Seldaek but their servers are another issue
22:47 erisco often when someone calls the internet connection drops
22:47 Seldaek if they don't want it to be too pricey
22:47 erisco but our wireless phones do not conflict in frequency
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22:47 Seldaek huh
22:47 erisco yeah =\
22:48 erisco after the lightening strike, on our switches port number 8 (on an 8 port switch) would light up orange which is evidently the (under use) indicator
22:48 erisco it also killed the modem's power supply which was replaced
22:48 erisco but maybe its really the modem
22:49 erisco not that our router doesn't seem to go unresponsive either
22:49 erisco I am guessing we were cursed with network difficulties forever and the only escape is to move away :P
22:49 Seldaek well ok.. for 1000euros you can get a pretty good machine, on two years that's 40euros per month, assuming you get reduced costs due to sharing hardware between users and mass orders.. it sounds kinda doable for 30something per month to have a dedicated box per person, that runs game perfectly fine, and might have some left for encoding
22:49 Seldaek not sure about bandwidth costs
22:50 erisco Gaikai's approach is to sell this idea to various companies such as Nintendo
22:50 Seldaek yeah I don't know I'd try replacing the modem before moving out
22:51 erisco sometimes our router just becomes unresponsive too which confuses me
22:51 erisco maybe its because of garbage coming out the modem
22:53 Seldaek yeah weird stuff
22:53 erisco and streaming video... I do not get it. youtube wipes it out
22:53 Seldaek can't get a good modem/router ?
22:53 erisco but I do not know what "it" is yet :P
22:53 erisco well another router is another $75 or so
22:53 erisco and good seems hard to judge
22:53 Seldaek I got a pretty awesome modem/router from the isp
22:54 Seldaek honestly I never got a decent one except from ISPs
22:54 erisco our modem is from our isp, yup, its probably $25 or so, not that bad
22:54 Seldaek they always crashed under high (bittorrent) stress
22:54 erisco our router is a linksys which replaced a custom box we used to run
22:54 Seldaek but somehow the ISP can give me that thing for free that never has any problems
22:55 erisco oh, its isn't free for us
22:55 erisco that extra :)
22:55 erisco here is your Internet service... to use it you need our modem... more money please!
22:55 erisco you can buy the modem or rent the modem
22:55 Seldaek yeah I remember the first adsl connection
22:56 Seldaek about $250-300 for the modem
22:56 Seldaek fuckers
22:57 erisco anyhow, my dinner is really getting cold and I am sure you really want to go to sleep
22:57 erisco good talking with you Seldaek!
22:58 Seldaek aye aye
22:58 Seldaek enjoy
22:58 Seldaek hard to be a geek
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06:12 simoncpu hi
06:12 simoncpu is digitarald here?
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07:06 _cheerios huomenta
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08:22 E_mE huomenta
08:22 E_mE http://i31.tinypic.com/2q9f0xd.jpg
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08:35 E_mE did anyone see those picture of Sydney covered in Red Dust?
08:35 E_mE http://blog.flickr.net/en/2009/09/22/red-dust-over-sydney/
08:42 sth wtf
08:43 E_mE weird huh
08:44 sth very
08:44 sth Good for photos though
08:44 E_mE ja
08:47 _cheerios heh
08:47 _cheerios scifish pics those sydney ones, the future is here, and its red!
09:04 sth http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/09/oktoberfest_2009.html
09:04 sth Picture 11 shows the end of the street where the office is
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09:09 _cheerios v-dogg, http://bit.ly/1ckbHi "Keskusta on Suomen suosituin nuorisopuolue" // translated: "center-party is the most popular youth party"
09:09 MikeSeth _cheerios: "school food is good food"?
09:10 _cheerios MikeSeth, wass?
09:10 MikeSeth _cheerios: dude southpark
09:11 _cheerios my only south park influence was way back in 97-98 :)
09:12 sth Southpark sucks
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09:24 v-dogg _cheerios: :p
09:40 E_mE sth: very cool pictures
09:47 sth yeah
09:49 E_mE is jealous! Wish i was there
09:50 sth From where they are in pic 11, you could throw a stone and smash one of the windows to the office
09:53 E_mE or you could be nice and give flowers to police officers ;)
09:53 sth Or not :)
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10:29 sth thisisphotobomb.com
10:29 sth Awesome site
10:42 _cheerios coworkers reaction to the 2nd photo was priceless :)
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11:40 _cheerios hmm... http://gizmodo.com/5365299/courier-first-details-of-microsofts-secret-tablet?sky​line=true&s=x
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11:54 sth _cheerios: I'd buy it
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11:59 saracen Camp devil photo is now my facebook profile picture, hooray for letting old school friends know how shit my life turned out
12:00 sth haha
12:00 sth I already know
12:00 sth s/know/knew/
12:00 saracen :D
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13:35 saracen I just got drive-by boated
13:35 sth :D
13:39 sth You got "rowed"
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13:41 saracen sth: :) not bad
13:42 saracen MikeSeth: Watched all of defying gravity
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13:56 nfq yo Xylakant
13:56 saracen "It’s not ‘the community’, there’s no ‘one community’, but it’s this whole thing about working together with people and it’s fairly social"
13:57 saracen I think Linus is looking for the word "community".
13:57 Xylakant hey
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14:48 saracen Sigh, new monitor has dead pixels
14:48 saracen I always get dead pixels
14:48 saracen Why can't I have a monitor which isnt shit =(
14:49 Xylakant I'll send you a nice "I see dead pixels" sticker if i find one
14:56 sth http://www.zazzle.co.uk/sarah_marshall_dead_pixels_sticker-217355603346049055
15:04 saracen eww, sarah marshall. Idiot russell brand is in that
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15:15 sth yup
15:22 saracen My girlfriend worked at a news paper in peterborough during summer break from uni like last year. One of the writers there got called in by Russell Brand, because she'd written something about him.
15:23 saracen He called her up live and she said their building was just around the corner from the broadway, so she went
15:23 saracen He took the piss out of her apparently in a joke like way, because she'd written something he didnt agree with
15:23 saracen Afterwards he actually made a pass at her, by literally using the words "It's a one in a life time oppertunity for you"
15:24 saracen once*
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15:27 sth It's one way to pick up girls I guess
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15:53 E_mE Picture #2 is amazing http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/09/dust_storm_in_australia.html
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16:00 graste crazy sand storm
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17:18 saracen http://www.fiveturns.org/IMG_0080.JPG
17:18 saracen This does feel kinda of awesome
17:18 saracen Shame its going to my girlfriends =(
17:18 saracen also a shame the iphone is shit at taking pictures =(
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17:31 sth Oh hai
17:32 sth saracen: Nice chair
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17:32 saracen sth: Thanks, I sit on it myself
17:34 Rayne hey guys
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17:46 sth Hey Rayne
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20:26 _cheerios jee!
20:29 Rayne o haiz _cheerios
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20:37 _cheerios good networking tonights
20:38 _cheerios lots of cute ladies
20:39 saracen wait
20:39 saracen what?
20:41 _cheerios something on your mind, saracen?
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21:07 _cheerios probably the oddest moment of the evening was this guy handsome hunk winking at me for a long time
21:07 _cheerios then i noticed it was an old friend
21:13 sth haha
21:32 saracen lol
21:35 sth _cheerios was then upset that no one was trying to pick him up
21:37 _cheerios nearly so! :| i had my best geeky-hair day, and almost warded off all social creatures. however, there was one courageous one! she http://bit.ly/16ghfd came up to chat.
21:39 _cheerios cool, finally my name is on googles autosuggest.
21:39 _cheerios all that twittering pays off o_O
21:43 _cheerios btw. anyone here live in stanford?
21:43 _cheerios i might come over for a week end of next month
21:45 hzilla finally back to coding
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21:50 _cheerios hzilla, couldn't get my head around to more than poking at notes :|
21:51 sth Mine doesn't come up :(
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22:14 sth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5clBon69g&feature=player_embedded#t=66
22:14 gigilsu hello all. I need to build an ecommerce website and I was wondering if agavi might be a good choice to build a shopping cart with
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22:23 graste agavi certainly is a good choice in any case :)
22:27 gigilsu i've used it before, but not to build a shopping cart. I know they have "premade" ones out there, but by the time your done customizing you might as well build one from scratch
22:27 gigilsu using a framework like agavi of course :)
22:27 gigilsu call it a half-scratch :D
22:28 graste :)
22:29 graste a good thing with agavi is, that by adding output types like JSON or XML or CSV your shopping cart app will be easily extensible
22:29 graste think of ajax product status calls in the background, add products to cart via ajax or generate product lists as CSV etc.
22:30 graste pretty fast to add, after you created an agavi model, that encapsulates some business logic for the actual cart
22:30 graste i'd say
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08:17 _cheerios huomenta
08:41 ttj Yo.
08:42 ttj Bought a pair of wrestling shoes so now I can properly kick ass in Krav Maga. <3
08:45 _cheerios thug
08:52 ttj Pfft.
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08:58 sth Morning
08:59 v-dogg ttj: do you also have a tight wrestling outfit with 80
09:00 v-dogg 's colors and a cool wrestler name like Thunder :)
09:00 v-dogg then you'd kick ass even without krav maga!
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09:02 _cheerios we should go jogging like that
09:04 E_mE haha http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1919216
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09:32 ttj v-dogg: Nah. Black pants and a black t-shirt.
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10:35 _cheerios http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/world/middleeast/05baghdad.html?_r=1
10:37 ttj http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-audi-a5-sportback/2010-audi​-a5-sportback-1.jpg
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13:03 xboy Hi
13:03 xboy I have a question
13:04 xboy I have to Actions: Add & Edit
13:04 xboy in EditAction's Validate method, i called AddAction's Validate
13:05 xboy like this $this->getContext()->getController() ->createActionInstance('News', 'Add')->validate($rd)
13:06 xboy and first line of Validate in AddAction is: $tm = $this->getContext()->getTranslationManager();
13:07 xboy When the Validate method from EditAction runs, I'll get this error; Fatal error: Call to a member function getTranslationManager() on a non-object
13:08 xboy Any idea?
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13:11 WasabiCat wasabi E_mE
13:12 impl xboy: that seems counterintuitive to me. why don't you just set up custom validators and call them from the validation config XML for each action?
13:20 v-dogg or gather common validators into one xml file and set parent=""
13:21 v-dogg in Add.xml and Edit.xml
13:21 v-dogg or xinclude
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13:41 E_mE http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/8272799.stm
13:44 _cheerios sanity, ahoy-a
13:46 sth I guess xboy didn't like the answer
13:46 sth E_mE: That's awesome
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13:47 sth Xylakant: 15:41 < E_mE> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/8272799.stm
13:47 E_mE does Xylakant like getting drunk on hand gel sth?
13:47 E_mE :P
13:47 sth No, I just happened to tell him about it before he joined
13:47 sth But who knows :|
13:48 E_mE hehe
13:48 sth The Germans are weird :P
13:48 E_mE You're just jealous sth ;)
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14:07 xboy_ v-dogg: thanks for your answer
14:07 xboy_ but that doesn't work for me
14:08 xboy_ let's say it this way, how can i call a method in action Add from action Edit
14:08 xboy_ ?
14:14 Xylakant xboy_: what are you trying to do?
14:16 xboy_ i wanna call method Validator in AddAction from EditAction
14:17 Xylakant does the EditAction extend the AddAction?
14:17 xboy_ i did this: $this->getContext()->getController() ->createActionInstance('News', 'Add') ->validateWrite($rd)
14:17 Xylakant no way
14:17 Xylakant you're messing around in the guts of the framework
14:17 xboy_ but i got an error: Fatal error: Call to a member function validate() on a non-object
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14:19 xboy_ So, what should i do?
14:19 Xylakant yes, expected
14:19 Xylakant what do you want to achieve?
14:19 sth xboy_: Before you timed out, v-dogg gave you a sterling solution
14:19 sth Use an xinclude in the edit.xml
14:19 impl Circumventing the object hierarchy is stupid.
14:20 xboy_ i have a complicated validator, that parts of the job should be done in validator()
14:20 impl xboy_: create a custom validator and reference it from both XML files
14:20 sth xboy_: If that's the case you need a custom validator
14:20 xboy_ i did that too
14:20 impl well that's the solution. anything that you can do in validate() can be done in a custom validator
14:21 Xylakant impl: that's not entirely true, but those cases are very very rare
14:21 xboy_ so, i thnks this is the one
14:21 Xylakant xboy_: I sincerly doubt that
14:22 xboy_ cause i can't handle it on custom validator
14:22 impl post some code
14:22 Xylakant so what are you trying to do?
14:22 xboy_ ok
14:22 sth Please, paste the contents of the validate method
14:22 impl sth: hello, echo
14:22 xboy_ I have a multilingual News module
14:22 sth impl, help, echo
14:24 Xylakant xboy_: so what - i've had that before
14:24 Xylakant you need us to give something to work with so we can help you
14:24 xboy_ for adding news, user should add current language content into the form, but if he want to add a translation, he should check corresponding checkbox to enable the fields for that language
14:24 xboy_ ok
14:24 Xylakant I'd bet my right index finger that you're on a wrong approach
14:25 xboy_ let me paste the code somewhere
14:26 sth pastie.org
14:26 xboy_ here's the add.xml validator
14:26 xboy_ http://pastebin.com/m1242db71
14:27 Xylakant ok
14:27 Xylakant that validates every field in the title array to be a string and so on
14:27 Xylakant looks fine
14:27 xboy_ and here's the AddAction method
14:28 xboy_ http://pastebin.com/m6ab43ab6
14:28 Xylakant where does the validate method come into it?
14:28 xboy_ take a loot at validateWrite()
14:28 impl okay and for what reason can that not be done in a custom validator?
14:29 E_mE impl: is that new structure you're implementing with the impl/ directory going to remain as impl/ or you planning on changing it?
14:29 impl It's named impl in my honor by Wombert
14:29 impl :D
14:30 xboy_ no, i'm not planning to change it
14:30 E_mE nice :)
14:30 Xylakant E_mE: since that's a mere config option, you're free to honor yourself :)
14:30 impl ^^
14:30 Xylakant xboy_: let
14:30 Xylakant let's start with the simple things
14:30 E_mE Xylakant: i think i keep impl homage alive
14:30 xboy_ the problem with custom validator is that i don't know which checkboxes has been check (translations)
14:30 E_mE i'll
14:30 Xylakant unrelated to your problem: Don't return the input view in handle*Error
14:31 Xylakant it will cause havoc when you start caching
14:31 xboy_ i'll remember it, thanks
14:33 Xylakant you'll get unexpected behavior when somebody checks no translation textbox but adds a title in that language
14:33 Xylakant it will show up in the titles array
14:34 Xylakant and if there is no content for that language, your loop in line 42 will produce a notice and error out
14:34 xboy_ there's a default field for title and content of current language that should be filled
14:34 Xylakant right, if that's the expected behavior, fine then
14:35 Xylakant you can pretty much take the whole code you have in validateWrite and just wrap that in a validator
14:36 Xylakant you need some minor changes
14:36 xboy_ I'll appreciate if you tell me how?
14:36 Xylakant ctrl + x -> ctrl + v
14:37 Xylakant scnr
14:37 Xylakant you'll have to change some parts
14:37 Xylakant reading from the request data should not be done by accessing the requestdataholder
14:37 Xylakant it's done by "$this->getData(argument_name)"
14:38 Xylakant that takes the validation base into account
14:38 xboy_ got it
14:38 Xylakant creating an error is done by $this->throwError() not by accessing the validation manager
14:38 xboy_ ok, i'll change that too
14:39 Xylakant it might be too late to change that, but you could reorganize your form setup to make all of that easier
14:39 Xylakant currently you're using
14:39 Xylakant title[french] and content[french]
14:39 Xylakant so you have separate array
14:40 Xylakant so you could reorganize that to look like this
14:40 Xylakant translations[french][title] translations[french][content], translation[french][filled] and so on
14:41 Xylakant then you could just iterate over the translation array
14:41 Xylakant that would slash the whole code by half probably
14:41 xboy_ yes, that's good idea, thanks
14:41 Xylakant makes the whole validator far easier as well
14:42 Xylakant you might even be able to do that without a custom validator then
14:43 xboy_ my problem with custom validator and xml is that i can't find out, which translations' checkboxes has been checked
14:43 Xylakant yes
14:43 Xylakant but the way I propose
14:43 Xylakant the checkbox would be part of the array
14:44 Xylakant so you'd use translations[] as base
14:44 Xylakant and the validator would get all fields that are in the translation
14:44 Xylakant and if you use translations[french][checkbox] or a similar name
14:45 Xylakant then you'd get the checkbox, the content and the title passed to the validator
14:45 Xylakant and that certainly works
14:46 xboy_ you mean i should add a "provides=..." in [french][checkbox] ???
14:46 Xylakant but I think then I think that you could have a validator that has base="translations[]" provides="translation_filled" for the checkbox
14:46 Xylakant and rbase="translations[]" depends="translation_filled" for the other ones
14:47 Xylakant that should actually work
14:47 xboy_ is it okay to have two validator with the same base?
14:49 Xylakant yes, certainly
14:49 Xylakant it's even ok to have two validators with the same argumetn
14:49 xboy_ ok, but i think it makes a problem
14:50 Xylakant why?
14:50 xboy_ conside, if current language is English, and we have Frensh & Spanish for translations
14:50 xboy_ if user checks, French
14:50 xboy_ validator will validate Spanish too
14:51 Xylakant no
14:51 xboy_ am i right?
14:51 Xylakant since the box is not checked
14:51 Xylakant the provides will be false
14:51 Xylakant and all depending validators will not run
14:51 Xylakant since the base should be taken into account
14:52 Xylakant (kaos just checked the code, it does)
14:54 xboy_ you mean I should add base="translations[]" provides="translation_filled" for each language?
14:55 Xylakant no
14:55 Xylakant why for each language?
14:56 xboy_ cause i think, if we write one for all, checking one checkbox, triggers the provide
14:57 Xylakant did you test it?
14:57 xboy_ no
14:58 Xylakant well then
14:58 Xylakant as i said
14:59 Xylakant the base is taken into account
14:59 xboy_ i'm ok with the <arguments base="trnaslation[]" provides="translation_fiiled">
14:59 xboy_ what should do with <argument> part for checkboxes
15:00 Xylakant that should be the name that you gave to the checkbox
15:00 Xylakant so if your fields are named like this
15:00 Xylakant translations[french][checkbox], translations[french][content]
15:01 Xylakant then it's <arguments base="translations[]"><argument>checkbox</...
15:01 xboy_ got it
15:01 xboy_ appericate it
15:01 Xylakant the provides/depends must be on the <validator> tag
15:02 xboy_ my bad, sorry
15:03 xboy_ may i know your opinion about something else?
15:04 Xylakant you can always ask
15:04 xboy_ thanks
15:04 xboy_ would you please take a look at the datetime validator
15:05 Xylakant in what respect?
15:06 xboy_ i added two parameters, for English and Persian
15:07 xboy_ how can i add another, for default. i mean if the locale was not English nor Persian
15:09 Xylakant that's not how it works
15:09 Xylakant the locale is used if you pass a translation domain as format
15:09 Xylakant you can specify "I want the short date format of the indian locale to be accepted"
15:11 Xylakant that's what the locale parameter is for
15:11 xboy_ yes, absolutly, i mean, if I add another locale in the future, it doesn't need to change the code
15:11 Xylakant the datetime validator just blindly tries every format you specify
15:11 Xylakant and if any of those matches, he's happy
15:11 xboy_ i see
15:14 xboy_ Xylakant: thanks for your help.
15:15 saracen <validator class="equals">
15:15 saracen <argument>new_password</argument>
15:15 saracen <ae:parameter name="asparam">new_password_confirm</ae:parameter>
15:15 saracen <error>Password do not match</error>
15:15 saracen </validator>
15:15 saracen Thats right, isnt it?
15:15 saracen Make sure new_password and New_password_confirm are identical, if not, throw error?
15:16 Xylakant i think you can just pass two arguments
15:16 Xylakant the asparam thing is deprecated
15:25 impl pretty sure you can yeah
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15:39 WasabiCat huomenta
15:41 WasabiCat php exceptions don't trigger the agavi exception templates even though they are correctly specified in settings.xml and output_types.xml
15:41 WasabiCat any help?
15:41 WasabiCat output = PHP Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'Exception' with message ...
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15:48 Xylakant erm
15:48 Xylakant that really depends on where the exception is thrown
15:49 Xylakant we can only catch it if it's thrown anywhere after the dispatch call
15:49 Xylakant or in the bootstrap process
15:49 Xylakant it would help to see the stacktrace
15:49 WasabiCat it is thrown from inside an action
15:50 Xylakant hmm
15:50 Xylakant that's weird
15:50 WasabiCat http://pastie.org/629088
15:51 Xylakant is that the full trace?
15:51 WasabiCat yes
15:52 Xylakant i fail to find the dispatch call
15:52 Xylakant how is that being called?
15:53 WasabiCat from the console
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15:55 Xylakant how does the dispatcher file for that look like?
15:55 WasabiCat the console.php?
15:56 WasabiCat http://pastie.org/629096
15:57 Xylakant there is stuff missing from the trace
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15:58 WasabiCat no seriously this is all I get on the command line
15:59 Xylakant still, none of the calls that are in your dispatcher file appears in the trace
15:59 Xylakant and still, since the error must happen inside one of those calls, it has to show up
15:59 Xylakant maybe it's cut somewhere
16:00 WasabiCat that's possbile
16:00 WasabiCat there might be a limit to the output
16:01 Xylakant well, your calling this command here
16:01 Xylakant moritz$ etherflex jsed set net.etherflex.version 2.0.0
16:01 Xylakant what's "etherflex"
16:01 WasabiCat that's right
16:01 Xylakant and what's the content of that file most important
16:01 WasabiCat that's console.php renamed as etherflex
16:01 Xylakant ah
16:01 Xylakant ok
16:01 WasabiCat #!/usr/local/php5/bin/php
16:02 Xylakant what's the content of that file
16:02 WasabiCat http://pastie.org/629096
16:02 WasabiCat same as before
16:02 Xylakant JSED.class.php
16:02 WasabiCat custom class in libs/
16:02 Xylakant most important in and around line 191
16:02 WasabiCat writes json to the file system
16:03 Xylakant yes
16:03 Xylakant might that code be triggered in $jsed = JSED::getInstance();
16:03 WasabiCat line 191 throw new Exception("{$this->path}:set() is unwritable.");
16:03 Xylakant seriously. i can only guess without a full stacktrace
16:03 WasabiCat this is where the exception is thrown
16:04 WasabiCat because the filesystem permissions don't allow write
16:04 WasabiCat this code is called from inside an agavi action
16:04 WasabiCat namely jsed.set
16:04 WasabiCat so this exception should theoretically trigger the agavi exception mechanism, no?
16:05 Xylakant if that happens somewhere inside controller::dispatch(), yes it should
16:06 Xylakant without a full trace I cannot say anything about whether that's true or not
16:06 WasabiCat let's asume it is
16:07 WasabiCat what could be blocking the agavi exception templates from being executed?
16:07 WasabiCat perhaps they aren't loaded correctly?
16:07 Xylakant then it should trigger the agavi exception mechanism
16:07 Xylakant I could guess about that with a full trace
16:08 Xylakant come on please, get me some details on that
16:08 WasabiCat will do
16:08 WasabiCat thanks Xylakant
16:09 Xylakant all i can currently do is step line by line through your code
16:09 Xylakant but that's not really helpful
16:10 Xylakant in general: as long you have an exception template defined in settings.xml, this one should be loaded and executed if the error happens within dispatch() or bootstrap()
16:10 Xylakant there's a full try/catch around those
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17:31 Fou4th hello everyone
17:32 Fou4th how can I get agavi context from the static method for example?
17:32 Jarda please explain
17:32 Fou4th i need getContext() but not from agavi classes
17:33 Fou4th actually I need database connection object
17:33 Jarda pass it as a argument somewhere where you have the context?
17:34 Fou4th it's impossible unfortunately
17:34 Jarda if you don't have agavi context available, then why do you need the context
17:35 Fou4th it's available, somewhere
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17:35 Jarda ok, I'm confused what you are trying to do..
17:35 Fou4th AgaviContext::getInstance('web')
17:36 Fou4th just found that
17:36 Fou4th so nevermind
17:36 Jarda well, I'm not sure it is safe to do it like that..
17:36 Jarda but good luck :)
17:36 Fou4th for my purposes it's safe, that's code from index.ph bootstrap code, so I hope it work
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18:25 impl Fou4th: it only won't work if you're writing code that is (a) not entirely dependent upon being used in the same context as web (e.g., could be called by console context), and (b) actually /is/ called by another context
18:25 impl just keep that in mind
18:26 impl generally speaking it's a much better idea to pass the context to your object somehow
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18:30 _cheerios jee
18:43 ttj Home already?
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18:52 _cheerios yeah, later than i expected
18:53 _cheerios wanted to go via the post office, but, oh well.
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19:04 Jarda imho if you need to call AgaviContext::getInstance you are doing something wrong..
19:06 saracen Unless you're doing something right.
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23:39 saracen MikeSeth: Why would you do this to me?
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23:40 saracen Get me to watch defying gravity, which is really awesome, and then have me find out it might be cancelled
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07:14 Jarda $this->setAttribute('foo[bar]' isn't supported?
07:14 v-dogg I'd say it is
07:17 Jarda var_dump($this->getAttributes gives me array(["foo[bar]"] =>
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07:50 rozza Houmenta!
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08:59 mknet Hello everybody, is there a feature in agavi which allows module specific routing configurations?
09:02 simoncpu module specifc?
09:02 simoncpu what do you mean?
09:03 mknet yeah, routings which are only valid if a specific module is deployed in the app
09:04 mknet in this case some kind of extension/plugin development would be very easy to manage :-D
09:08 fnordfish mknet: i used to deliver a routing.xml with those kinda modules an xinclude them
09:09 mknet i see
09:10 mknet i don't know xinclude very well... So, if the modules are not installed is the routing.xml still valid?
09:10 mknet Could you make an example on pastie, pls?
09:11 fnordfish well you have to change your project routing in case of adding/removing module
09:12 mknet oh, i see
09:12 mknet yeah, but that would be the important point for me
09:12 mknet just to deploying the module and that's it
09:13 fnordfish http://pastebin.com/me01ab52
09:14 mknet thx, that's ow I understood your solution ...
09:14 fnordfish i dont know how you are deploying your modules, but adding removing could be a task in your deploying routine
09:14 mknet hm ...
09:15 fnordfish you could write xourself a phing task or whatever
09:15 mknet That's write
09:16 mknet but I want to provide a software for near anybody. My imagination is just one upload
09:16 mknet pretty similar to a wordpress installation
09:17 fnordfish guess wordpress is using a kind of interface for installing modules ...
09:17 fnordfish anyway, have to go. sorry for being so short.
09:17 mknet np , thx anyway
09:37 simoncpu i hope you guys are still students
09:37 simoncpu because you can earn money by implementing this via google code
09:37 simoncpu :D
09:37 simoncpu *google summer of code
09:38 saracen stop rowing me
09:39 sth No.
09:39 sth It's friday and I have nothing better to do
09:40 simoncpu row, row, row your boat gently down the stream
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09:42 mknet marely marely marely life is but a dream ...
09:42 simoncpu http://tinyurl.com/ydkdbdp
09:42 mknet or something like this ...
09:44 sth simoncpu: I'm not
09:44 saracen simoncpu: nice.
09:44 simoncpu what happened to saracen's head?
09:44 saracen done got rowed
09:45 simoncpu there sould have been a pic with saracen in a devil costume
09:45 saracen uh-huh
09:45 saracen never happened
09:46 sth Facebook says otherwise
09:46 saracen lies
09:47 sth http://www.facebook.com/album.php?profile=1&id=604040464
09:48 sth http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs243.snc1/9028_178799480464_604040​464_4045656_2056402_n.jpg
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09:53 saracen unfair.
09:58 simoncpu uploaded for safety
09:58 simoncpu http://i34.tinypic.com/xfbz3o.jpg
09:58 simoncpu just in case
09:58 simoncpu mwahahaha
10:01 saracen .
10:02 saracen You just started WAR my enemy.
10:02 sth I love how the virgin sponsor on the brawn cars changes every race
10:02 sth There's nothing the British are better at than war.
10:04 saracen Moaning > War
10:05 sth And queuing
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10:10 graste huomenta
10:17 saracen sth: Read Womberts twitter page yesterday and saw that he said that BX's/his next facebook app should use fbml rather than an iframe
10:17 saracen Wondered if you worked on it and know the reasons?
10:17 saracen We're considering making a facebook app and would like to know the best way to jump in to it :)
10:18 sth saracen: Sure, I worked on it
10:18 sth If you use FBML you don't have to worry about the authentication issues as much
10:18 sth We had a massive issue with sessions in the iframe
10:19 saracen Am I going to run in to other issues, like, using a javascript lib?
10:19 sth We used js quite heavily, which was fine
10:20 sth But if you use ajax to perform calls in the iframe, you need agavi to generate the urls for it
10:20 saracen so working with fbml and using mootools is fine?
10:20 sth probably
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10:38 saracen I didnt know facebook has a pirate language
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10:41 v-dogg fbml?
10:41 horros v-dogg: Facebook Markup Language
10:41 v-dogg ok...
10:42 v-dogg I'm just not hip :(
10:44 saracen So, any tips / code for integrating agavi with facebook? :)
10:45 sth hahaha a renault just crashed in the practice on the same corner :D
10:46 sth saracen: Sure, don't make facebook apps
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10:47 saracen sth: I dont think thats a tip for integrating with facebook.
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10:48 v-dogg saracen: but still, don't crash and if you do happen to crash, learn from it
10:48 saracen xboy: Are you an increment from xbox?
10:48 Jarda it's good v-dogg isn't on facebook, I can write naughty things on his wifes wall without him noticing
10:48 v-dogg but I AM!
10:48 v-dogg my wife made me join..
10:48 horros Oh dear.
10:49 v-dogg but I haven't even logged in in months
10:49 sth saracen: The main one is, the facebook libs suck. So if you can, write your own
10:49 saracen horros: Do you stay up all night having text with her?
10:49 horros Come again?
10:49 v-dogg I think that was aimed at Jarda :)
10:49 horros ...THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
10:49 Jarda my mom is on facebook..
10:50 Jarda I didn't accept her friend request
10:50 saracen horros: I meant Jarda =(
10:50 saracen I just recently accepted my mums one. So I saw a comment today I didnt read who it was from, I was just about to reply "What, are you emo or something?" and then I saw it was her.
10:51 Jarda :D
10:51 saracen "If all the world's a stage, I want to operate the trap door."
10:51 saracen Thats what she said.
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10:51 saracen He'll come back as xboz
10:52 saracen I'll be waiting for the overflow to xbob
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10:52 saracen =(
10:52 horros xboå, xboä and xboö
10:52 horros :)
10:52 saracen Now he's going to wonder what drugs youve been taking
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16:45 E_mE http://www.everythingisterrible.com/2009/09/advanced-dos-strategies.html
16:45 E_mE so crap its good!
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16:46 erisco E_mE, its subliminal messaging. Did you notice the intro graphic looks like Africa?
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16:47 E_mE erisco: i see what you mean hehe
16:48 erisco today I want to answer a question
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16:49 E_mE this is quite cool also: http://www.b3ta.com/links/Txt_Island
16:49 erisco is database portability worth anything?
16:49 erisco that is my question
16:50 E_mE what do you mean? as in is it worth making your application cross DBMS compatible?
16:50 erisco yes
16:50 erisco been a while since I looked at this question and now I view it with a resounding no
16:50 E_mE depends on the application i guess
16:51 E_mE but use something liek Doctrine and 95% of the work is done for you
16:51 erisco but I hate Doctrine
16:51 erisco it is absolutely horrible for not only application performance but development time
16:52 erisco and where does the other 5% come from? what is the purpose of database portability?
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16:52 E_mE i can symphise with development time, i can answer performance really
16:52 E_mE can't
16:52 erisco what we have sitting in RedRacer now is an epic mess
16:52 erisco for database interaction
16:52 impl start over
16:52 impl :p
16:53 impl it'll almost certainly be 10x better
16:53 erisco start over what?
16:53 impl the database stuff in RedRacer
16:53 saracen I only wish people wouldnt have told me to wrap my doctrine models
16:53 erisco only if Doctrine gets the boot and we decide on a rdbms to support
16:53 saracen I did so, but when I think about it, what a completely pointless waste of time.
16:54 E_mE saracen: wrap your doctrine records?
16:54 E_mE thought having an agavi model which requests a Doctrine_Record would be the more sensible idea?
16:54 erisco yes, to abstract your application from a third party library
16:54 E_mE Ah i see
16:54 erisco the API Doctrine offers, along with most orms, has you work with record objects
16:55 erisco such as in updating a record you will be doing so in your controller
16:55 Fou4th anyone tried to add openid server feature to some project written on agavi?
16:55 Xylakant [n=Xylakant@p5792F95D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #agavi
16:55 E_mE anyway im off
16:55 erisco Xylakant, Wombert, what is the importance of database portability for RedRacer?
16:55 E_mE watch 2001: A Space odyssey :D
16:56 erisco I ask because it is easily the messiest and slowest aspect of RedRacer
16:56 Xylakant erisco: use a standard ORM but otherwise rely on MySQL I'd say
16:56 erisco (and any application I try to make database independent)
16:56 saracen I just had a 9% alc beer on an empty stomach and I feel slow and dumb =(
16:56 Xylakant I'd probably go for doctrine
16:56 E_mE saracen: Duvel beer?
16:56 E_mE i want some booze tonight but im too poor :(
16:56 erisco Xylakant, Doctrine is a significantly large and complex code base and it really weighs down development
16:57 saracen E_mE: That might actually have been it. Ive never drank a beer that high % before that was in a can I dont think
16:57 Xylakant erisco: it's faster than hand-coding all the stuff, seriously
16:57 erisco Xylakant, not to mention abstracting the API is a ludicrous effort. I got partway but it sucks
16:57 saracen I havent got the can next to me, I poured it in to a glass
16:57 saracen I only looked at % :)
16:57 erisco Xylakant, how is that so?
16:57 E_mE saracen: i like your priorities :P
16:57 saracen haha
16:58 saracen I never look at the names =(
16:58 erisco Xylakant, without Doctrine the database interaction is very explicit and simple
16:58 saracen Weird names and characters, they dont stand out to me at all
16:58 erisco Xylakant, and that is superb for trouble shooting
16:58 erisco and understanding the application
16:58 sth looking at the alc% on beer is stupid
16:58 Xylakant well, it's your call
16:58 E_mE saracen: I'm bit of a wine lover
16:58 saracen I actually like the DQL of doctrine. They're planning on seperating it later on, but for now if you do actually like it, you can roll your own easy enough.
16:59 E_mE but thats mostly due to being employed by a wine importer for 4 years
16:59 E_mE anyways, me off
16:59 E_mE have good weekend guys
16:59 saracen But I wish I hadnt been told to abstract. The chances of you changing your models and keeping them identical is slim, just as it is changing DB
16:59 erisco Xylakant, is it? Then I want to drop Doctrine from the project entirely and just support MySQL
16:59 saracen You abstracted for red racer right? I bet if you remove doctrine, you'll still end up entering action/view/template code.
17:00 saracen The more you abstract, it seems the slower it gets.
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17:00 saracen E_mE: See ya and ditto
17:00 erisco application performance is one thing but what really bothers me is the extra complexity in development
17:00 E_mE ;)
17:01 erisco Xylakant, you guys use MySQL anyhow correct?
17:02 graste why is it more complex?
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17:03 erisco documentation, trouble shooting, comprehension... and multiple levels of thereof
17:03 Xylakant erisco: I wouldn't worry about performance but about maintainability
17:03 erisco and maintainability is really lame with Doctrine
17:03 Xylakant well, no
17:04 graste if that's the case, your agavi models should abstract from this, so you may change implementation later on?
17:04 Xylakant look at migrations for example
17:04 erisco which we are not using
17:04 erisco and why use them exactly with source control?
17:04 Xylakant it looks like nothing important but that's a very useful feature
17:05 erisco the database management tools Doctrine provides are useful to a degree but equal expressiveness exists with SQL
17:05 erisco and the benefit is that its SQL, not yaml or something
17:05 Xylakant well, migrations are _THE_ way of versioning database changes
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17:06 erisco then write SQL that does the migration, right?
17:06 Xylakant and all the boilerplate code around
17:06 Xylakant you need to manage the versions etc
17:06 erisco manage them? in what way?
17:06 Xylakant well
17:06 erisco what boilerplate code?
17:06 graste without migrations your chances of going back a few iterations of your data model are very bad - especially with complex code bases
17:07 graste you really don't want to search through your submit logs for database changes
17:07 Xylakant such things a figuring out "at which version is my database, what's the current highest migration" etc
17:07 Jarda I like to use propel with agavi
17:07 saracen just use couchdb, problem solved.
17:07 Xylakant saracen: false assumption
17:07 graste there is no silver bullet :p
17:08 Xylakant being schemaless does not solve all migration problems
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17:08 Jarda like in model initialize: $this->myObj = ObjPeer::retrieveByPk($parameters[0]);
17:08 erisco how hard is it to detect the current migration version and moreover, how do you detect it?
17:08 Xylakant erisco: see, that problem is solved in doctrine
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17:09 erisco I know it is but must I dig through their source to figure out their method?
17:09 erisco do they inspect the database?
17:09 Xylakant they have a table in the database that store the version
17:09 erisco ah look here, something direct and simple http://code.google.com/p/mysql-php-migrations/
17:10 Xylakant well
17:10 Xylakant as I said: your call
17:10 Jarda I couldn't think of doing anything bigger without an ORM, as writing sql by hand is just stupid..
17:10 Xylakant I wouldn't want to write all my db-retrieval code by hand
17:10 erisco I truly do
17:10 saracen Jarda: Use your own helpers.
17:10 graste me neither
17:10 erisco have always wanted to
17:10 Xylakant Doctrine and propel generate all the standard boilerplate sql
17:10 Jarda saracen: I don't want nor have to. Propel is doing a great job
17:11 Xylakant saracen: certainly
17:11 Xylakant I can always write my own helpers
17:11 Jarda if I need something wery complex I write by hand and hydrate
17:11 Xylakant wait, why am I using agavi?
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17:11 Xylakant oh, it's because I'm too lazy to write my own framework
17:11 Xylakant I could
17:11 Xylakant but I don't have the time to
17:11 Jarda propel+agavi helps me build a rapid deployment application
17:12 Xylakant the same is true for an orm
17:12 Xylakant and for a jslib
17:12 Xylakant I *can* write all of that
17:12 Xylakant I really can
17:12 Xylakant been there, done that
17:12 Xylakant but I just don't want to
17:12 Xylakant I prefer spending my time going shopping
17:12 saracen I've lost your point.
17:12 saracen The idea was to ease writing SQL, not create an ORM
17:13 saracen or a framework
17:13 Xylakant saracen: the point is: I can always write my own helpers that ease this and ease that
17:13 Xylakant or I can use the tools that exist
17:13 saracen That are crap.
17:13 Xylakant and there are two serious ORM libs out there
17:13 Xylakant so I don't need to create and maintain a lib of helpers
17:13 Xylakant because there is one
17:13 graste erisco: what's happening, when ppl want to help you with your project and aren't fond of using SQL directly? wouldn't it be easier to assign them tickets and they simply use agavi models to make changes, store settings etc? instead of thinking about how to write SQL and stuff?
17:13 saracen If you want to use an ORM, Propel and Doctrine are great. But my response was to that of "writing your own SQL"
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17:13 Xylakant graste: that's not an argument
17:14 Xylakant anyone who doesn't know SQL better stay away from Doctrine and Propel
17:14 Xylakant anyways, I'll be off
17:14 Xylakant hungry
17:14 Xylakant need food
17:14 graste I'm talkin about an abstraction layer between devs and the db
17:14 Xylakant and theres none in the fridge
17:14 graste of course you should know some sql
17:14 erisco graste, if they are not fond of using SQL directly then, by my current standard that I am going to test for myself, they should look elsewhere
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17:15 saracen erisco: Didnt you know? People that are not fond of using SQL directly are really, really fond of using Doctrine and DQL.
17:15 saracen </sarcasm>
17:16 erisco my objective is to stick as closely to the reality of SQL and your database as possible
17:16 graste why? what does it help?
17:16 erisco in the opinion that it is wholly part of your application
17:16 erisco I have already listed my points once or twice
17:16 saracen I agree
17:17 graste the whole part of systems/applications is: input -> processing -> output
17:17 saracen I think Doctrine on its own would be OK, but the whole idea of abstraction makes it a mess
17:17 Jarda let's say we need to make a new feature in our application to have customers. I say "agavi action-wizard" and "agavi model-create" , make a "Customer"-table declaration in propel's schema.xml call propel-gen, write in CustomerModel public function toArray() { return $this->obj->toArray(); } call it from the action and write the html
17:18 graste why should devs think about the data storage part (if system/software architecture is somewhat stable) instead of about the problem domain
17:18 erisco if I'm wrong let me screw up with it and I'll know ;)
17:18 Jarda then I have my customer-model available everywhere (with a ton of different retrieval methods by criteria)
17:18 erisco okay, time to develop, talk to you later
17:19 saracen Jarda: You call Propels model from your action?
17:19 Jarda saracen: no
17:19 Jarda I use agavimodels which use propel-models
17:19 graste +1 Jarda - and then you can focus on the problem domain from then on
17:19 saracen How? By inheritance?
17:19 saracen or by proxy methods?
17:20 Jarda saracen: no, by 20:06:40 < Jarda> like in model initialize: $this->myObj = ObjPeer::retrieveByPk($parameters[0]);
17:20 graste same here - agavi models abstract the data modeling by using propel models (not using inheritance)
17:21 graste ony using inheritance for the agavi models as in BaseModel etc.
17:21 graste s/ony/only
17:21 Jarda no inheritance as I want to be able to change away from propel if I have to
17:21 Jarda only having to rewrite parts of my models
17:21 saracen Yeah. Same as I have
17:21 saracen And its not ideal.
17:22 Jarda of course I end up writing "proxy" methods
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17:22 Jarda which is not ideal
17:23 saracen No. So, the data you return in an array, or hydrate to your own classes, do you think they pretty much represent Propel models? And if you were to change to, Doctrine, for example, you'd have to make some changes to the returned data to mimick what you had when using Propel?
17:24 saracen Because I get that feeling. My class is pretty much a proxy to a doctrine model (no inheritance). I feel if i was to change the underlying ORM, I'd have to still make a lot of weird fucked up adjustments to the array returned
17:24 saracen To never have to touch my controller/models/view code.
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17:27 graste I get that feeling myself from time to time, but then I see methods, that are completely business logic related and only use agavi models - those methods don't need changes when changing the ORM
17:28 graste so no changes to action/view/template/model when changing ORM apart from those proxy models
17:28 graste pretty much okay with me
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17:49 Wombert help
17:49 Wombert help help
17:49 Wombert criterion help
17:49 Wombert pokes Jarda
17:51 erisco Doritos are good
17:51 erisco why does Doritos get past the spell checker?
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17:53 simoncpu any word that starts with a capital letter gets past the spell checker
17:55 erisco that is not true
17:56 erisco not my spellchecker
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21:38 Rick is pear being weird for anyone else?
21:38 Rick it breaks on trying to install phing
21:45 sth Got the config settings correct?
21:47 Rick think so
21:47 Rick I think one of the pear servers might be down atm
21:47 sth phing doesn't use pear's servers
21:47 Rick surely it says it has dependencies though wouldn'ti t?
21:48 sth Unsure what deps phing needs, if any
21:48 Rick not sure, I just reinstalled pear from ports, that seemed to fix the problem (or the server went up?)
21:48 sth mac ports?
21:48 sth Or bsd ports?
21:49 Rick bsd
21:49 Rick Updating channel "pear.php.net"
21:49 Rick Channel "pear.php.net" is not responding over http://, failed with message: Connection to `pear.php.net:80' failed: Operation timed out
21:49 Rick Unknown remote channel: pear.phpunit.de
21:49 Rick Package "pear.phing.info/phing"; dependency "pear.php.net/Xdebug"; has no releases
21:49 Rick Did not download optional dependencies: pear/VersionControl_SVN, channel://pear.phpunit.de/PHPUnit, pear/PhpDocumentor, pear/Xdebug, pear/PEAR_PackageFileManager, use --alldeps to download automatically
21:49 Rick :?
21:50 sth I think it's your pear install
21:50 Rick hmm
21:50 sth It's unlikely that all those are down
21:51 Rick just nuked it
21:51 Rick still gets the .de error, seems to be working otherwise now though
21:52 Rick very odd
21:52 Rick earlier it was hanging for awhile
21:53 sth Odd
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09:43 Rick slots are supposed to be available in view templates (assuming loadLayout()) right?
09:43 Rick not just the master template?
09:44 Rick i'm doing a 'reboot' on an older project made for 1.0.0, and I had slots working in view templates, but now with the reboot with 1.0.1 I can't seem to do it
09:44 Rick it's odd
09:44 Rick I know the slots are being loaded (they work in the master template)
09:44 Rick but $slots is empty for view template
09:44 Rick did that behavior change? (or was I doing it wrong to begin with?)
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10:06 Rick hmm, nevermind, I think I solved it
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10:34 Jarda what did you do?
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10:55 Rick Jarda: somehow slots were working in my original app under decorator in content, I added the slot definitions under the content layer
11:00 Jarda ok
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14:58 Rayne does agavi work with php 5.3 or are there some issues?
14:59 Rick should work fine
14:59 Rick at least i've had no issues
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15:28 Jarda yeah, I'm using agavi with 5.3
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15:36 erisco okay I have this crazy idea to use couchDB after its recommendation yesterday
15:36 erisco is it not crazily interesting?
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15:39 Rayne it sounds interesting, yes
15:39 erisco and then with that they have this wild notion of an application server
15:40 erisco so now I must know how to get this thing functioning with Agavi
15:40 Rayne does anyone uses couchDB?
15:40 Rayne you know, i mean http://www.phpcouch.org/
15:40 erisco Bitextender already has a project for it?
15:40 erisco did not even notice
15:41 erisco well, I am still reading about couchDB and right now it seems one needs to use curl for communication
15:41 Rayne hm, seems to be in an really early stage?
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15:41 erisco couchDB itself? yes
15:41 erisco I have this crisis with databasing though and its solution is making my head spin
15:42 erisco ... in a good way ;)
15:42 erisco there are those things in life that never seem to get along with you and unfortunately, relational databasing is one of those things :(
15:43 erisco mod_rewrite is another
15:44 erisco this document-oriented thing is so out there from anything else I've heard of that... well... I absolutely must try and make friends with it
15:49 erisco Rayne, oh, and you can fetch a post AND its comments with just one query
15:49 erisco Rayne, did you know that? :)
15:51 Rayne erisco, you are even able to do that with some crazy sql code - is it easier with couchDB?
15:51 erisco Rayne, you bet
15:52 erisco how do you do that with SQL without concatenating the comments into a string or replicating the post over n comments?
15:52 erisco (both of which being poor solutions)
15:52 Rayne erisco, do you have some examples/articles?
15:52 erisco yes, in fact
15:52 Rayne i am no database pro, but in most cases it is ugly
15:53 erisco but this couchdb stuff is quite a whirlwind of new concepts to understand, at least for me, so the explanation never made 100% sense
15:53 erisco but I am installing couchdb to give things a try now
15:53 erisco digging up that article...
15:54 erisco http://www.cmlenz.net/archives/2007/10/couchdb-joins
15:54 erisco and no I do not believe the solution is ugly
15:55 erisco which makes me happy
15:55 Rayne i will bookmark that article and will read it later, thanks :)
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18:35 khashayar581 Hi there
18:35 khashayar581 the other day, Xylakant helped me about a validator in my multilingual News
18:36 khashayar581 i tried that, but no success
18:36 khashayar581 would you please help me about it?
18:37 hzilla whats up?
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18:38 benschi huomenta
18:38 erisco it must be the 26th!
18:39 benschi Yes it is
18:39 khashayar581 the problem is, i have a form to add a news with available fields for translations
18:39 benschi is still drunk :)
18:39 Rayne poor benschi :/
18:39 Rayne <flood>
18:39 erisco so in this blind fit of rage I set lets give Doctrine the boot and stick it to plain ol' SQL
18:39 Rayne idea: stackable content modules like "heading=lvl1", "text",
18:39 Rayne "heading=lvl2", "text", "image", "text" (for an similar implementation
18:39 Rayne see typolight's article management).
18:39 Rayne concept: a content modules api, which is called by creating a slot. a
18:39 Rayne unique id for that content (or uri node) should be passed with the $rd
18:39 Rayne to that slot. the slot itself interprets the data in
18:39 Rayne $rd['api.cm[]'] and creates according to its information [optional
18:39 Rayne completed by some database calls] slots, which contain the registered/created
18:39 Rayne content modules. would this be a hack?
18:39 Rayne </flood>
18:40 Rayne oh, damn so much linebreaks
18:40 erisco blind to the fact SQL queries are not nice static things you can plug variables into
18:40 erisco and I realized this when I went to write an update method...
18:40 Rayne i hate you mr. geany editor who added linebreaks
18:40 erisco line break at the end of the file right?
18:40 erisco I believe that can be turned off
18:40 khashayar581 but there's a checkbox for each language, and i want to validate a specific language fields to be validate, if it's checkbox has been checked
18:40 Rayne (every ~80 chars!?)
18:41 erisco er, that is probably line wrapping
18:41 Rayne erisco, EOF-linebreaks are disableablebalndfljasdflsdjf
18:41 Rayne you know what i mean
18:41 Rayne disable able. eh.
18:41 erisco I have not installed Geany since last distro release
18:41 erisco but doesn't it line wrap after the line length limit you set?
18:41 Rayne i use mostly netbeans, but geany for viewing simple files :)
18:41 erisco or is that only netbeans that does that?
18:42 erisco I cannot remember if Geany did line wrapping
18:42 Rayne i wraps what i did not remember from the last time i used it
18:42 erisco benschi, so now I am trying to drive the stake into relational databases by looking at an alternative approach: couchDB
18:43 erisco but its pretty wacky thus far :)
18:43 hzilla khashayar - there is example of how to check if checkboxes are enabled on teh agavi faq - combined with provides/depends you can validate the tranlsations: http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html
18:43 erisco benschi, couchDB, heard of it?
18:43 khashayar581 hzilla: thanks for that, but i did read that FAQ
18:44 khashayar581 but this one is kinda tricky
18:44 khashayar581 and wouldn't work easily
18:45 hzilla khashayar581: post your code to pastebin
18:45 khashayar581 ok
18:47 erisco is eating honeycombs furiously
18:47 benschi erisco: couchDB is nice
18:47 benschi I've worked with it a little bit
18:47 khashayar581 hzilla: here's the validator http://pastebin.com/d77efb11b
18:48 khashayar581 i changed it based on what "Xylakant" told me
18:48 erisco so, yeah, I want to give it a go
18:48 erisco I really want to make friends with a database that doesn't make me cry at night
18:49 khashayar581 and my form values looks like this: translation[en][check] - translation[en][title] - translation[en][content]
18:49 benschi couchDB isn't really a database, is it? To me its more like a document storage engine
18:51 erisco it's a document-oriented database
18:51 erisco with an application server aside
18:51 sth So Wombert drunk is quite fun
18:54 hzilla khashayar: have you considered not using a checkbox and simply checking if there is any content in the textarea?
18:54 hzilla that would be a simpler and more intuitive solution perhaps
18:54 benschi Has anyone mastered creating tests for an agavi app?
18:54 Rayne my idea as paste: http://pastie.org/private/ujewksmz6kde19kct4jw
18:54 erisco benschi, so what do you say? I think it is going to play beautifully
18:54 benschi cuz thats next on my plan
18:55 Rayne has anyone a suggestion to that idea?
18:55 benschi erisco: Where?
18:55 erisco in RedRacer
18:55 benschi sorry clear thoughts are not my strength today
18:55 benschi Yeah
18:55 khashayar581 hzilla: i think that's kinda confusing since each language may have more than one translatable fields
18:56 benschi I've considered it as well
18:56 erisco couchDB for redracer? really?
18:56 benschi yes
18:56 erisco well clearly this is the sign to use it
18:56 benschi yes especially since redracer is meant to mainly store documents
18:57 erisco Rayne, I do not know what you are talking aout
18:57 Rayne meh.
18:58 Rayne erisco, do you know typolight?
18:58 Jarda loves agavi
18:58 Jarda loves propel
18:58 Jarda loves beer
18:58 Jarda loves rapid deployment development
18:58 erisco propel is pretty brittle
18:58 erisco Rayne, I do not but Google reveals it as a CMS
18:59 Rayne yes, that cms has a neat article management system (at least i like it):
18:59 Rayne every article includes differenet modules like "heading", "text", "html text", "image", "poll", and so on
19:00 erisco benschi, I have to figure out the best way to communicate with it though... surely not curl?
19:01 benschi erisco: curl!
19:01 benschi :)
19:01 erisco I guess but what's the speed going to be like doing it that way?
19:01 Rayne and every module has an own management interface. if you open /some/article, typolight renders the modules by weight. so it is easy to provide new modules.
19:01 erisco isn't there a socket we can talk to?
19:02 Rayne wait, i have an idea to show you guys what i mean
19:02 benschi not that I know of
19:03 hzilla khashayar: its a tricky one because it requires knowing the parent key of the check, so it seems that in your code if any of the checks are set the provides is set and therefore all other titles and content are required
19:03 hzilla personally i haven't tried that before but i'm sure its possible
19:04 hzilla you need to test with one at a time to make sure you are checking one translation at a time and the provides is not triggered for all translations
19:05 erisco ah look benschi, there is phpillow
19:05 hzilla so you may need to wrap the whole validator in another super validator for the parent key
19:06 hzilla something to try anyway
19:06 Rayne in the following screenshot you see an article in "backend" mode. it lists the attached modules which renders some preview, in this case "text" and "gallery": http://www.typolight.org/tl_files/images/screenshots/edit-an-article.jpg
19:07 khashayar581 Xylakant told me that writing this would solve the problem, and it'll consider the language part in the array, but unfortunately it didn't
19:07 Rayne my idea is so far: i would attach those "content modules" by creating for each one a slot, in which the modules render themself ("consistent interface")
19:08 khashayar581 checking one checkbox doesn't trigger that, but it need all checkboxes to be checked to trigger it
19:08 khashayar581 its kinda weird
19:09 Rayne and the "article" could be a slot itself, which i pass an unique id like 321. the "article" itself creates slots according to the information it founds by searching for "node 321" in the db
19:09 Rayne if those slot information is not hardcoded, it could be possible to add new modules with ease
19:13 erisco http://arbitracker.org/phpillow.html
19:13 erisco bitextender will not need phpcouch so badly
19:18 erisco benschi, so the main question is when are we ready to start working?
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20:42 erisco uh, did a bomb hit Germany?
20:42 v-dogg poland strikes back
20:42 erisco haha
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20:59 sth wut?
20:59 v-dogg 23:42 < erisco> uh, did a bomb hit Germany?
21:00 sth erisco: Phpcouch is in use within bx
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21:26 erisco sth, there is actually source? I did not check
21:28 Rayne who ported the custom filesystem layout from 1.1 to 1.0.1? (i could swear someone did …)
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22:41 Rayne where can i find some information about /build.xml?
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10:28 sth http://www.stopwritingramblingcommitmessages.com/
10:37 impl http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/3865
10:37 impl No.
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12:18 sth You did that on purpose?
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14:13 gigilsu good morning all. I am getting an error, which might be getting triggered by having different versions (1.0 and 1.1) in server and localhost
14:13 gigilsu I checked out a project and I'm getting an error on localhost that I'm not getting on server
14:14 gigilsu config_handler.xml is the problem. The error is: Line 2: Element '{http://agavi.org/agavi/config/global/envelope/1.0}configurations': No matching global declaration available for the validation root.
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14:15 gigilsu I tried changing 1.0 to 1.1, but that didnt help
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14:18 gigilsu I want to update agavi on server, but I want to make sure everything runs fine on local before i update
14:18 Rayne if i pass an array when creating a slot i retrieve only its keys which contain arrays and not the values to other keys. my snippet: http://pastie.org/private/2bsnd9fvxfg9aki3t0gzw - any ideas what is wrong?
14:19 Rayne added a dump
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14:21 sth Rayne: Tried adding an export to the validator?
14:22 Rayne no, i will try that
14:22 Rayne but does that make sense? i use only the default "isset" validator
14:31 gigilsu so actually, my problem is that there is an old version of agavi installed in my system. When I ran agavi help it says Agavi 0:11.8. How do I update it? Do I simply remove the agavi directory in /usr/local/lib/php/agavi and move the new version there?
14:32 gigilsu I suppose I could just change the path on index.php as well
14:36 Rayne gigilsu, i put my favourite agavi build into ~/app/../libs/agavi_%version% and then include it on the index.php
14:36 Rayne instead of installing agavi with pear or placing it into /usr/local/…
14:36 Rayne so i am able to change between versions with ease
14:38 Rayne sth, i updated the validator http://pastie.org/private/2bsnd9fvxfg9aki3t0gzw
14:38 gigilsu Rayne: If I don't pear install, is there anything else I need to do after I download? Because it's still not working for me after I change the path to the downloade version
14:38 Rayne gigilsu, you need to edit some files
14:38 Rayne and you have to add pear
14:39 Rayne i placed it into /libs/pear. and /libs/agavi_%version%/build/agavi/script/agavi.php has to include it
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14:40 Rayne but when you do not use the cli-builder then you do not need to add pear
14:40 Rayne eh phing
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14:42 gigilsu Rayne: could you point me to any docs for this. Cant seem to find any installation instructions other than pear install
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14:43 sth gigilsu: There's very little docs
14:44 Rayne err … i have only written a poor article about it on my german weblog. but you should find that information somewhere on the agavi website, too
14:45 sth I might convince BX to allow me to spend a month or two to write a ref manual
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14:50 gigilsu it doesnt really matter to me if the old version gets overwritten. I didn't start using agavi until version 1.0. If i pear install version 1.1 will it overwrite the other one?
14:58 v-dogg this is why pear shouldn't be the first suggested installation method
14:58 v-dogg yes, it might be the quickest way but sooner or later you have problems like this
14:59 v-dogg project A uses version X, project B uses Y
15:02 Rayne fixed "bug" in my validator: $data = $this->getData($this->getArgument()); \n $this->export($data);\n but values are missing again.
15:03 sth Cool
15:03 Rayne …
15:04 gigilsu v-dogg: ok, so could you suggest to me what I *should* do then?
15:05 sth Ideally, you should have a local copy of agavi in the project's libs dir
15:05 gigilsu I would actually like to have both 1.0 and 1.1
15:06 Rayne if i force exporting to a key like $this->export($array, 'BBQ') i can fetch the whole array with all values. *confused*
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15:13 gigilsu also... if I have 2 versions of agavi, when I run agavi project, which version will it use?
15:14 Rayne => index.php
15:14 Rayne ic
15:14 Rayne you mean that shell/bat script
15:15 Rayne if you use pear and did not hack the defaults it should be the pear version, but you can update these scripts :)
15:17 Rayne according to my array issue: agavi does only trust/export the given <argument />s, but not the arguments childs if not explicit validated/exported?
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15:29 gigilsu_ I created a new project and I still can't get it to work. I haven't modified any files. Tutorial says I should be able to see agavi welcom page, as I've been able to do succesfully on server
15:30 gigilsu_ I get the following: Agavi::bootstrap();
15:30 gigilsu_ in index.php (app/config.php is not the right place for this).
15:31 gigilsu_ in index: require('../app/config.php');
15:31 gigilsu_ and config.php is there
15:32 gigilsu_ server is running agavi 1.0... local agavi 1.1
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15:37 gigilsu Hello again all, having connection problems
15:37 gigilsu I'm having trouble getting a project going with 1.1
15:38 gigilsu created a new project and i'm getting following error:
15:38 gigilsu Agavi::bootstrap();
15:38 gigilsu in index.php (app/config.php is not the right place for this).
15:38 gigilsu in index.php I have path as ../app/config.php and the file is there.
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15:40 gigilsu also says the following: pasting the whole message to pastie
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15:41 gigilsu http://pastie.org/632426
15:42 gigilsu The version is actually 1.0.1 not 1.1
15:45 Rayne gigilsu, read that message …
15:45 gigilsu Rayne: I read it but I didnt understand it
15:46 Rayne du hast kein xsl/t modul für php am laufen - oder du deaktiviert die verwendung von xsl
15:46 Rayne arfff fuck -.-
15:46 Rayne wrong language
15:46 gigilsu hehe, that i definetely did not understand :)
15:46 Rayne gigilsu, you need the xsl module for php or you have to disable the xsl performing like agavi said
15:47 Rayne i recommend you to enable/install the xsl module
15:52 gigilsu Rayne: thanks a bunch, I thought I had xsl on, but just check phpinfo, wasnt on :)
15:53 Rayne you are welcome
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16:01 gigilsu I need help with one more thing. This is for an existing project. I didn't include the files in config on subversion, should I have?
16:01 Rayne => agavi.org, there is some information about version controlling
16:04 gigilsu Rayne: I don't mean I got agavi from subversion, I mean my project is in subversion
16:04 Rayne i understand that ;)
16:05 Rayne there are some hints when you use version controlling for your apps
16:06 gigilsu There must be an xml file I need to edit so it wont be looking for the cache files
16:09 gigilsu i'm looking, but cant find it
16:09 gigilsu its trying to copy files that dont exist, from cache/config
16:10 gigilsu because I left them off version control
16:14 gigilsu while we're at it: add all files in bloggie/app/cache/config to the ignore list as well.... that's why i left them off
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16:16 gigilsu other than leaving those files off version control, I'm not finding anything else in the docs about them
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16:33 gigilsu http://pastie.org/632457
16:33 gigilsu could you please explain to me why its trying to copy those files that do not exist in my local copy
16:41 sth They're cache files
16:42 sth you need to give the app/cache dir permission to write there
16:43 gigilsu i have it set as 755, same as on my server
16:44 sth agavi project-cache-remove
16:46 gigilsu that didnt help
16:58 gigilsu well, i changed permissions to 777 and that did it, i can control groups and users on linux better than on mac
16:59 gigilsu i'm not sure who the owner of the file in cache would be
17:00 gigilsu not sure what owner is really running the app, apache maybe?
17:00 Rayne we do not know your setup
17:01 gigilsu I'm running apache2 on a mac and installed it via port
17:04 gigilsu I changed back to 755 and chowned it to same group and user as apache and that worked
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17:27 sth gigilsu: It'll be who ever apache runs as
17:27 sth And you can control groups/users just as easy on macs as on linux
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18:33 gigilsu sth: I can control them just as easy, I just don't know how to create a group on a mac
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06:23 simoncpu huomenta dude, huomenta
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07:26 _cheerios huomenta
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08:40 Rendez hi
08:40 Rendez how dangerous can a symlink be, say from pub/js to...../libs/javascript
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08:42 Rendez the Rewrite in Public/ would always redirect it I guess, but I'm pondering the possible risks
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09:14 simoncpu i guess that would be ok, as long as there's no sensitive info at libs/javascript
09:17 Rendez yes I guess so too
09:17 Rendez thanks
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09:42 xboy Xylakant: Hi
09:43 xboy Xylakant: I did what you told me about validation, but it ain't work
09:44 Xylakant how does your form and your validation file look like?
09:44 xboy let me send a it
09:44 v-dogg put it in pastebin.org or similar
09:46 xboy here's the add.xml
09:46 xboy http://pastebin.com/d75aa15cb
09:47 xboy and the form elements look like: translation[en][check] ... translation[en][title] ... translation[en][content]
09:48 Xylakant and what do you mean by "not working"
09:48 Xylakant what is the result?
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09:50 xboy i have two langs, it only triggers "translations_filled" when both of the cheboxes checks
09:50 simoncpu huomenta
09:50 simoncpu can two routes have the same name?
09:50 xboy but event with both checked, it ain't check the title & content validator
09:50 sth simoncpu: one will overwrite the other
09:51 v-dogg simoncpu: can as in you don't get any errors, but otherwise can't
09:51 Xylakant xboy: I'll have to hand that over to kaos, he's the expert on this
09:51 Xylakant but he's not yet here, so you'd have to wait
09:52 xboy Ok, i'll appreciate that
09:52 xboy i'll wait
09:52 simoncpu ah, i see... thanks!
09:53 simoncpu btw, this will be my first time to use agavi with jason
09:53 simoncpu is this the correct route for using the url
09:53 simoncpu but with different output types?
09:53 simoncpu http://simoncpu.pastebin.com/m2e90625d
09:56 Xylakant I'd anchor the pattern on the json route
09:56 Xylakant left and right
09:58 Xylakant xboy: could you poke me later in case I forget, please?
10:00 xboy absolutly, when do you think would be ok?
10:00 Xylakant like in 2 - 3 hours
10:00 xboy Sure
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10:55 E_mE did anyone get the chance to hear about this utter bullshit? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8277378.stm
10:55 sth yeah
10:56 E_mE i can't believe it, i mean what right does anyone have in who I may ask to look after my children...
10:56 sth The UK sucks for policies like these
10:57 E_mE yeah, totally...
10:57 horros http://imgur.com/RzRcw.jpg
10:57 horros kek
10:57 E_mE i'd love to punch the creator of that legislation Extremely hard
10:57 E_mE horros: the Good Parts Book is very ++
10:57 E_mE i got a copy my self :)
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11:28 sth http://asset.soup.io/asset/0459/4171_8441.jpeg
11:29 horros STOP FLOODING, SI!
11:32 sth Go lick a kitten, Markus
11:32 horros I'm allergic to cats :x
11:33 sth That makes more awesome (to me)
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12:41 xboy Xylakant: i just want to remind you in case of you forgot.
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12:49 sth xboy: Not only is Xylakant not here, nor is anyone else
12:49 sth (In the office)
12:51 _cheerios stanford trip for end of next month confirmed \o/
12:51 ttj What's in Stanford?
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12:55 sth Universities
12:56 _cheerios for this tip i'm tripping with students -- lectures, meeting berkeley startups, vc/angel/lawyer advice for startups, visits to m$+google and y-combinator, parties, parties, halloween
12:56 xboy sth: He asked me to remind him hmmm...
12:56 sth I know
12:56 sth He's back now :)
12:56 xboy :D
12:57 sth More documentation fun :)
12:57 sth I have Rbac roles to do, ORM integration and FPF
12:57 sth Oh, static pages too
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13:21 sth I've been "rowed"
13:21 sth Damn you saracen
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14:13 Wombert yo brothers
14:13 Wombert who has updated to 1.0.2rc1 yet?
14:13 Wombert v-dogg / Jarda?
14:13 Wombert MikeSeth?
14:13 Jarda Wombert: what
14:13 Jarda living on the edge, using svn HEAD on development
14:14 Jarda 1.0 branch
14:14 Jarda which reminds me of maybe fixing the revision as we are planning to release..
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14:37 hzilla hi is it possible to specify the engine type for creating tables in the database config?
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14:41 hzilla ah i guess thats a doctrine question...
14:42 hzilla ah i guess thats a doctrine question...
14:42 sth ja.
14:42 Wombert quite :)
14:53 xboy Xylakant: Just wanna remind you :)
14:54 Xylakant yes, i pinged kaos
14:54 Xylakant haven't forgotten you :)
14:54 xboy Thanks dude
14:54 Xylakant he'll take a look at that
14:59 sth xboy: We're expecting your name to overflow soon
14:59 sth :)
15:15 xboy sth: beg your pardon?
15:16 sth xbox -> xboy, it's an increment
15:16 sth So at some point, xboz
15:16 xboy lol
15:16 sth Then wrap around, if you only use a-z
15:16 sth Hence the overflow
15:17 xboy maybe i should change the o part
15:17 xboy how's that -> xbpa
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15:31 Wombert sth: no, it's left to right
15:31 Wombert xbox -> xboy -> xboz -> xbpa
15:32 Wombert err right-to-left
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15:52 impl you guys are nerds.
15:52 Wombert says the uber nerd of them all
15:53 impl mmm nuh uh, I'm only good for manipulating people now
15:54 impl which is very anti-nerd btw
15:55 sth Aw, impl things he can have a social life :P
15:55 impl no, I think I can get an account on these servers :(
15:56 sth "these"?
15:56 impl at work
15:56 impl I need 'approval'
15:56 sth Oh, that's always fun
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15:57 sth I hate it when it goes to the level of "you need permission to alter the config on this server..."
15:57 sth That then takes 2 weeks
15:57 sth And by that time, you're late
15:57 impl yeah.
15:57 impl I know.
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17:39 _cheerios jee
17:43 _cheerios *g* @ 50ish male going willingly for some rough sex with "Janet", ending up being butt-raped by a male
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05:43 simoncpu huomenta dude, huomenta
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08:21 sth Morning
08:22 xboy Morning :)
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10:36 E_mE hehehe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfprIxNfCjk
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10:39 nfq yo Xylakant
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10:41 Xylakant hi
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14:04 nfq yo Xylakant
14:04 Xylakant hey
14:06 Xylakant what's up?
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15:35 Xylakant has anyone seen xboy around lately?
15:36 Xylakant or does anyone have his email address?
15:38 nfq Xylakant: yo
15:38 Xylakant what's up?
15:48 nfq Xylakant: PM quick?
15:48 Xylakant very quick
15:49 nfq rather tomorrow?
15:50 Xylakant I'm pretty busy for the rest of the week
15:50 Xylakant and tomorrow is company octoberfest
15:50 nfq ah nice
15:50 nfq ok, I'll ping on thursday
15:50 nfq it wont be long either way
15:51 Xylakant right
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20:41 sth E_mE_: get a better connection
20:43 E_mE_ sth: sorry that was the iphone
20:43 E_mE_ think i kept going in and out of signal
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20:44 E_mE heh, speak of the devil, the iMac just went to sleep
20:46 sth haha
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21:12 E_mE sth: nudge
21:15 sth hi
21:16 E_mE you like computer games?
21:16 E_mE and can you play iplayer?
21:16 sth yes and yes
21:17 E_mE look for "Charlie Brooker's Gameswipe"
21:17 E_mE if you have ever watched screenwipe or newswipe you will understand
21:17 E_mE its a REALLY good programme
21:18 E_mE talking about computer gaming in a quite cynical and satyrical manner :)
21:18 E_mE its play atm, so you may need to way an hour or two to watch the catchup
21:18 sth cool
21:18 E_mE unless you can watch live
21:18 sth thanks for the tip
21:19 E_mE ;) i just discovered it on the TV
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21:50 E_mE sth: did you manage to catch the rest of gameswipe?
21:51 sth no, I'll watch it later
21:51 E_mE its amazingly great :D endless laughs
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05:14 PeYKaR huomenta
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08:24 CIA-87 felix * r4322 /branches/felix-buildsystem-method-support/src/vendor/: updating bundled phing to 2.4.0 RC 1
08:26 sth Morning
08:27 E_mE huomenta
08:27 sth I watched that show last night before bed
08:28 E_mE what did you think
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08:28 sth pretty funny
08:28 sth It was almost like a 45 minute zero punctuation without the cartoons
08:29 E_mE i think his analysis that games are advancing in almost every area besides story line/game play is absolutely correct?
08:30 E_mE sth: ja his shows are pretty frantic, thats just his style hehe
08:30 simoncpu E_mE: i'd like to play Counterstrike inside a holodeck
08:31 E_mE yeah i;d like to play Q3A in a holodeck too ;)
08:39 sth Lovely: http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/get-off-google-or-i’ll-sue/
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08:47 E_mE sth: thats cool hehe, like to see them win ;)
08:48 sth I wouldn't, it'd screw up the internet
08:49 E_mE sth: oh noes! Not the internet!! please no!!
08:49 sth "Oh my site is more important than yours, so you have to remove the listing from Google"
08:50 E_mE I'd ask him to elaborate why .. see what he comes up with hehe
09:08 v-dogg that link doesn't work
09:09 sth v-dogg: On windows/linux by any chance?
09:09 v-dogg win
09:09 sth It appears only mac users can click it
09:10 v-dogg http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/get-off-google-or-i%E2%80%99ll-sue/
09:10 v-dogg there
09:16 simoncpu even bush was unable to sue the people who stole his keywords, "epic failure"
09:17 simoncpu oops, wrong keyword
09:17 simoncpu "miserable failure"
09:17 simoncpu misses the good 'ol days of google bomb
09:21 sth heh
09:22 sth "French military victories"
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09:31 Xylakant sth: are there any?
09:31 sth No
09:31 sth They briefly looked as if they could win the battle of Waterloo
09:31 sth Then the English won, again...
09:31 sth People should learn from History, never invade the English
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10:38 CIA-87 felix * r4323 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/vendor/):
10:38 CIA-87 - updated bundled PHPUnit to the release version 3.4.0
10:38 CIA-87 closes #1159
11:05 CIA-87 david * r4324 /branches/1.0/ (LICENSE LICENSE-PHPUNIT): license infos for phpunit 3.4-stable (also mentions the sfYaml bundle in phpunit and includes the corresponding license), refs #1159
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11:05 _cheerios huomenta
11:26 sth Hey _cheerios
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11:40 _cheerios sth, what's new?
11:40 _cheerios in 2009 bloggers visit you
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11:48 sth In Soviet Russia, blog reads you
11:50 _cheerios techcrunch,readwriteweb,nextweb,etcetc in ze office
11:52 simoncpu behold, for Agavi shall rise and shall be made known amongst ze people!
11:53 simoncpu the time has come for Agavi to step back...
11:53 simoncpu into the light!
11:53 simoncpu worlds will tremble once again; empires will fall!
11:53 simoncpu aliances will shatter....
11:55 _cheerios i was at remix2009|hki in the morning, silverlights slogan was (something akin) "light the web"
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12:31 MikeSeth _cheerios: what what what
12:31 MikeSeth bloggers in whose office?
12:32 _cheerios muxlim's office
12:35 MikeSeth btw git > svn :P
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12:40 v-dogg MikeSeth: btw, why?
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12:41 MikeSeth distributed, cheap branching, you can work simultaneously on different changesets in same wd etc
12:41 MikeSeth incremental commits are awesome
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12:57 _cheerios heh @ coworker; "when we're getting new offices, im asking for a cubicle, to put space between YOU and me" :p
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13:03 simoncpu git git git
13:04 v-dogg clit clit clit
13:05 simoncpu incremental clit commits are awesome! =)
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13:22 Rozza Yo dudes
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13:26 _cheerios cute bloggers <3
13:26 v-dogg you doing incremental clit commits there?
13:27 horros I'm committed to clit.
13:28 horros a clit, to be specific.
13:32 v-dogg yeah, let's be specific. after all I'm mailing these irc logs to your missus
13:33 sth My German joke of the day: Leaving the apartment this morning, talking to my Wombert: "Got everything? keys, wallet, phone... WWII trophy? Oh wait, the allies have that"
13:34 v-dogg :p
13:35 sth s/my//
13:35 sth It was altered from another chanel
13:35 sth channel*
13:35 sth I can't type :(
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13:52 MrJeep Hi. I just svned to the last agavi and since then (I think) I have a ping error when I try to create a module
13:52 MrJeep Error importing phing/mappers/RegexpMapper.php
13:52 MrJeep anyone else is having this error ?
13:55 Xylakant which phing version?
13:55 Xylakant which agavi branch?
14:01 Xylakant MrJeep: ?
14:02 MrJeep trunkarg
14:02 MrJeep arg
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14:02 Xylakant hmm
14:02 Xylakant that would be surprising
14:03 Xylakant since we don't bundle phing (yet)
14:03 MrJeep I'm re-svning 1.0
14:04 sth From EFnet #php: <ichi> hey guys is there a reason why @fsockopen would return nothing? <NiteLiteW> try removing the @ <ichi> i did it threw an error
14:04 horros cries
14:04 Xylakant haha
14:04 MrJeep it's working now
14:04 horros I'm seriously considering re-leaving that channel.
14:05 MrJeep I somehow forgot I should use /branch/1.0
14:05 _cheerios 0.11 is where it's at!
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14:07 Wombert where is benschi
14:07 Wombert kicks
14:07 sth Dead, in a ditch, he went via Manchester, UK
14:07 sth tis what they do to foreigners there
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15:12 nfq Rozza: long time
15:12 nfq how you doing?
15:12 nfq yo MikeSeth
15:13 Rozza yo nfq
15:13 nfq man, long time.. you doing well?
15:13 Rozza yeah I was on #pylib so it thought I'd wander by
15:13 Rozza yeah good and groovy
15:13 Rozza you?
15:13 nfq yeah. pretty well in fact
15:16 Rozza cool :D
15:17 Rozza you still in Austria ?
15:23 Rozza laters all
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16:46 nfq MikeSeth: you around?
16:54 hzilla hi i am trying to include OAuth libs into an model. Do i have to require all the class files in the dependent model?
16:54 hzilla or is there some neater way?
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19:57 E_mE_ is it possible to display $inner; inside a slot?
19:58 E_mE_ because i need to create a template which had 3 slots, which one of those slots contains 2 further outputs, one being another slot and the other being the $inner
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20:10 _cheerios hello.
20:11 E_mE_ hi _cheerios ... do you know if you can display $inner inside one of the slots?
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20:12 _cheerios i'd say 100% as a knee-jerk-reaction
20:12 _cheerios *100% no, even
20:12 E_mE_ so its not possible?
20:12 _cheerios wtf did i drink earlier today. my head feels like lead, gotta lay off the drink during the week :<
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20:22 _cheerios date tomorrow <3 i wonder what kind of a turn things'll take :p
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20:30 digitarald MrJeep: test with your elbow, that's all I know
20:31 MrJeep digitarald: lol
20:31 MrJeep if I get third degree burns then it's too hot ?
20:33 digitarald yes, than try the knee
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20:35 MrJeep ;)
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20:38 _cheerios i saw a pic of someones elbow today. it looked like a hairy ass.
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20:40 ttj _cheerios: Date? Uh-oh...
20:42 _cheerios ttj, uh-oh indeed :)
20:42 ttj Boozing on Saturday?
20:43 _cheerios hmm, depending on tomorrow.
20:44 ttj First date?
20:45 _cheerios yes
20:45 _cheerios i'm a tad nervous. she's older than me.
20:45 _cheerios (first time for me, that such is the case)
20:46 ttj So how does this affect Saturday? Tomorrow's Thu and I hope you're not thinking of going on two dates in three nights?-)
20:48 _cheerios if shes a sane one, i'll book saturday with her.
20:49 ttj Can anyone say needy? :P
20:50 _cheerios c'mon, you're settled already! i need someone to cook me breakfast too.
20:50 ttj Bah, I'm trying to dodge the missus... :P
20:50 ttj I'd have a free-booze party on Fri, but I've been ordered to spend "quality time". :(
20:52 _cheerios i spent too much between the sheets last week. downside being that its been hard to switch context for this week.
20:54 ttj Wait-what? Why should you have to change the context?
20:54 ttj In fact, why should you have to change anything, in that case? :P
20:54 ttj Embrace status quo!
20:57 _cheerios gets in the way of hardcore working mindset :)
20:57 ttj Pfft.
20:57 ttj Work-a-holic.
20:59 _cheerios i try, but fail at times!
21:00 _cheerios too big n hard deadlines for projects that im trouble getting finished
21:00 _cheerios s/deadlines/ambitions perhaps
21:00 ttj And wait, you want to date? You, my friend, are not sounding very coherent at the moment. :P
21:01 _cheerios only accidentally i do. :)
21:05 ttj So no way that I can entice you for some club hopping, etc.? >:P
21:06 _cheerios i'll probably be all depressed and heartbroken tomorrow evening, so I'll be easy to lure for such jolly adventures!
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21:09 ttj Heh.
21:11 _cheerios (hint: free booze will be more than welcome in such occationas)
21:11 ttj Well, unfortunately I can't weasel my way out of Friday...
21:12 ttj And there's no free booze on Sat, but free and quick entrance to shallow clubs with easy and cheap chicks, so... :P
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21:16 _cheerios woot. 8k uniques broken \o/
21:18 _cheerios "shallow", that's what im for... x_X
21:19 _cheerios sleep -> gym -> work -> women -> ???
21:20 _cheerios probably continues with problems. nn
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23:47 benschi Who is awake
23:47 benschi ???
23:48 E_mE moo
23:48 benschi Im lost in munich
23:49 E_mE hehe, not got an iphone?
23:49 benschi Yes i have
23:49 benschi But still
23:49 benschi Im lost
23:50 benschi Ive to Get the right train
23:50 benschi This is heavy
23:51 benschi In my condition
23:51 benschi Hehe octoberfest was great with the guys from bitxtender
23:52 benschi :D
23:54 benschi E_mE: What timezone u r in?
23:56 benschi Well Train is comming Cu guys :)
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