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05:07 < simoncpu> oh hai
05:07 < simoncpu> hai, huomenta
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06:11 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:18 < horros> hmm.
07:18 < hawker-> hmm
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07:27 < hawker-> horros I feel like i have seen you around before on EFNet
07:27 < horros> Most certainly.
07:28 < hawker-> ahh, you didnt used to do cracking did you, maybe way back?
07:28 < horros> Nossir.
07:28 < hawker-> ahh thought maybe thats where it was from
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07:35 < horros> Hmm, anyone have their mail client actually say mails from David and Felix are signed?
07:35 < horros> Neither my Outlook 2007 nor Thunderbird seems to think they are.
07:35 < horros> and in Outlook I just get a smime.p7s attachment
07:37 < v-dogg> all I see is "Part 1.2" attachment :)
07:37 < horros> mmhm
07:37 < v-dogg> silly mac users...
07:37 < horros> That's what I see in Thunderbird too.
07:38 < horros> I even imported the attached S/MIME signatures in Outlook
07:38 < horros> Still nothing.
07:41 < horros> hmm
07:41 < horros> my own digital signature seems to be working fine with Thunderbird.
07:41 < horros> Apple Mail Fail :(
07:41 < horros> (or mailing list fail)
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07:43 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:15 < riddler> hello
08:16 < riddler> how i can set an anker in $ro->gen()
08:19 < horros> $ro->gen('route', $params, array('fragment' => 'foo'))
08:19 < riddler> thx
08:20 < riddler> simple :)
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08:23 < graste^china> huomenta
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08:25 < sth> Hey
08:25 < Rayne> hey guys
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08:29 < simoncpu> hai gaiz
08:43 < MikeSeth> whargharbl
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08:43 < MikeSeth> huomenta
08:58 < sth> mm Twitter has been updated
08:59 < sth> horros: ping!
09:02 < _cheerios> http://interwebscanner.blogspot.com/2009/06/good-wife-can-bring-balance-to-your.html
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09:10 < horros> sth: pong
09:10 < sth> Was that you on Facebook or another one by your name? :P
09:11 < horros> I'm not on facebook!
09:11 < ttj> Ooh... New and cute cleaning chick at the office.
09:11 < horros> Was it spelled "Markus" or "Marcus"?
09:11 < sth> Markus.
09:11 < horros> :O
09:11 < sth> There's a guy with your name on fb then
09:11 < horros> Oh my.
09:11 < ttj> You're not unique! :O
09:12 < horros> I wonder how much sleep I will lose over this!!!
09:12 < sth> -1 hour? :P
09:12 < horros> Sounds like a reasonable ballpark figure.
09:12 < ttj> About this much: |--| ?
09:12 < ttj> (May vary depending on resolution.)
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10:38 < sth> It would be super nice if Agavi's phing script did one of two things.
10:39 < sth> 1. Added default routing for new actions and modules
10:39 < sth> 2. allowed for a backspace when you make a damned error
10:39 < sth> The backspace thing might just be my ssh connection though :/
10:40 < Xylakant> sth: the backspace is probably a wrong terminal setting on your ssh connection
10:40 < Xylakant> because the build script does support it :)
10:41 < simoncpu> Marcus Cornivus?
10:41 < simoncpu> that name sounds familiar...
10:41 < sth> xterm-color.
10:41 < saracen> Yeah, I'm pretty sure I can backspace. Although I've noticed an error, where if I type something before the script has fully finished what it's doing, no text appears. Then I start to type my action name again once it is ready for input, and I get a name like MyAcMyAction
10:42 < saracen> It should clear user input when it's actually finished outputting to the screen or something
10:44 < sth> My backspace issue is something to do with Terminal.app's Delete as Ctrl+H
10:46 < simoncpu> sth: it's in your OS configuration
10:46 < simoncpu> some OS have weird /etc/inputrc
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12:42 < MikeSeth> man 5.3 is out
12:43 < graste^china> sth: ever tried ctrl+u to clear your wrong input (instead of backspace, that is)?
12:44 < sth> I thought ctrl+h was backspace?
12:44 < graste^china> ctrl+u deletes the whol line you typed
12:44 < graste^china> +e
12:44 < graste^china> useful for pwd prompts etc
12:46 < v-dogg> oh feck... upgrading FF to 3.5 deleted all saved passwords
12:50 < graste^china> lol
12:50 < graste^china> only for you or is it a bug?
12:52 < v-dogg> don't know
12:53 < graste^china> would be a bad bug for a release version :)
12:54 < horros> lol @ symfony users
12:54 < horros> myTools::print_r_with_pre($result);
12:55 < horros> Helpers for everything, eh?
12:56 < sth> lol
12:56 < graste^china> who doesn't need something like that some day? :)
12:58 < MikeSeth> hey lack of architecture is architecture too :D
13:00 < saracen> Bah, I've asked this before and I always forget to note the links. Where can I find information on caching?
13:00 < saracen> agavi, specifically, not just generic caching practices and stuff
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13:01 < graste^china> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#caching-answers
13:02 < graste^china> specify groups that suit yourself - don't forget to specify request parameters and attributes and also don't forget to handle global request attributes, if you need them for cached versions of your page/slots
13:03 < graste^china> you don't need to specify method="read" etc 
13:03 < sth> I hate how Agavi is littered with Americanism :P
13:03 < saracen> ah ha, thank you :)
13:03 < sth> initialize my ass :P
13:03 < graste^china> groups are basically directories
13:03 < saracen> sth: Yeah, it is annoying. 
13:04 < sth> When I write emails to Wombert, I deliberately emphasise the British spelling
13:05 < v-dogg> sth: both mojavi and agavi were originally coded in da USA
13:05 < sth> What's that got to do with the price of chips?
13:05 < saracen> What's that got to do with sharing shoes with asians that have little money?
13:06 < v-dogg> of course you can of course justify breaking BC just because americans are idiots but I still can't see that happening :)
13:06 < v-dogg> of course of course of course
13:06 < saracen> I guess this is why lots of source code ends at function init() =)
13:06 < saracen> Which makes your source sound like a chav, ennit.
13:07 < saracen> init() { $this->baby = true; } 
13:07 < saracen> chav->setAge(10);
13:08 < sth> I DEMAND THAT AGAVI RENAMES ALL METHODS TO BRITISH ENGLISH!
13:08 < horros> I DEMAND THAT AGAVI RENAMES ALL METHODS TO VICTORIAN ENGLISH!
13:09 < horros> That'd be a LOT cooler!
13:09 < sth> heh
13:09 < graste^china> I DEMAND AGAVI TO BE WRITTEN IN WHITESPACE (C)
13:09 < horros> Or maybe Cockney!
13:09 < sth> horros: Only if we can have a Sherlock and a Watson class
13:09 < graste^china> needs a good editor though...
13:09  * horros <3 Sherlock Holmes
13:10 < graste^china> watson? like this small windows app nobody really needs?
13:10 < graste^china> ^^
13:10 < sth> If we get those classes, we should put them in a Baker Street namespace
13:11 < horros> Agreed.
13:11 < graste^china> +1
13:13 < horros> throw new InvalidParameterException("What, pray tell, do you mean?")
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13:15 < saracen> graste^china: I have a view which returns raw image data which I wanted caching, I just want to cache it based on all request arguments
13:16 < saracen> Do I just add each request argument to a group with the source="request_data"?
13:16 < ttj> Can we also get the Agavi documentation in the form of an epic poem in blank verse?
13:19 < sth> Dizee Rascal's new track is pretty cool
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13:23 < saracen> sth: #agavi knows nothing of music
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13:27 < sth> Well nuts to them :P
13:37 < graste^china> saracen: never tried it with images, but: yes, I'd use request_data as source and depending on them the generated output should be cached
13:39 < saracen> graste^china: I got it working, had to change the output type to png :)
13:39 < saracen> thanks for your help
13:39 < simoncpu> do you guys know of a good alternative to SimpleXML?
13:39 < simoncpu> SimpleXML's inconsistent behaviour is driving me insane
13:39 < simoncpu> ...although i'm already insane to start with
13:40 < saracen> I get along fine with SimpleXML, you just have to do lots of casting :)
13:40 < simoncpu> yepp, but often it doesn't work as expected in for loop
13:40 < simoncpu> it pretends to be an array, but if you var_dump() it, only first element is shown
13:40 < simoncpu> but if you do forloop(), it loops through all the element
13:41 < simoncpu> it behaves as if it keeps an internal pointer as it loops
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16:27 < CIA-54> felix * r4168 /documentation/branches/felix-build-scripts-rewrite/DITA-OT1.5/build_dita2xhtml.xml: modified the toolkits build system to allow overriding the xsl for the toc-generation
16:28 < CIA-54> felix * r4169 /documentation/branches/felix-build-scripts-rewrite/build/ (5 files in 2 dirs): new agavi guide build script that incorporates all targets into one
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17:13 < erisco> how do I configure FPF to run on the read method but only for a specific action?
17:14 < Jarda> call It manually?
17:14 < erisco> from the action? sure, makes sense. have any example?
17:15 < Jarda> well, from the view
17:15 < erisco> of course, from the view, its html specific
17:15 < Jarda> wait a sec
17:18 < erisco> Jarda, I think it was in the old documentation but I do not know where that went
17:18 < erisco> I am looking through the API docs and I don't see anything in particular to get out of the context
17:18 < erisco> I will try looking at the view
17:19 < Jarda> something like http://codepad.org/fYiYLsNZ
17:20 < Jarda> where foo is the name of your input
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17:21 < Jarda> and formid the id of your form
17:21 < erisco> my form has no id. how does FPF find it usually?
17:22 < Jarda> I guess you have to give it a id, if you are calling fpf manually
17:22 < Jarda> but someone with more experience on the area could maybe verify this
17:24 < erisco> thanks Jarda, I will take a look at it
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17:32 < erisco> Jarda, getRequest() is not a view method... did you mean something else?
17:32 < erisco> I am having a hard time figuring out what may have been meant
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17:37 < Jarda> oh, this->context->getRequest()
17:41 < erisco> Jarda, that does exist, which is good
17:42 < erisco> however my form is not populating
17:42 < erisco> and that is because I made a mistake, hold on :P
17:44 < erisco> Jarda, yeah, it is not populating. darn
17:45 < Jarda> wait a sec, have to check my stuff
17:46 < erisco> Jarda, I keep making little errors here and there which is both annoying an embarrassing... have other stuff running through my head I guess
17:46 < erisco> anyways, I am getting an error because agavi is trying to write a log file which it does not have permission to do
17:46 < erisco> so I will see what that is about
17:47 < erisco> ah, FPF did not like my document
17:48 < sth> That was a lovely sandwich
17:49 < erisco> sth, what kind? :o
17:49 < erisco> Jarda, it worked beautifully. I missed a closing anchor tag. Thanks very much for your help and excuse my blundering
17:50 < Jarda> erisco: oh, I'm glad it worked :)
17:50 < erisco> well, it kind of worked, FPF does not seem to be detecting how to repopulate my tick boxes
17:51 < erisco> I have a series of checkboxes and they take advantage of the array name scheme, so they are all named projectTypes[]
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17:51 < erisco> the data is correctly in the query string but FPF does not seem to be giving the checked="checked" to those that were indeed checked
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17:52 < erisco> does it do this? I can easily write it myself
17:52 < sth> erisco: The German kind :P
17:52 < sth> Lieber something
17:53 < erisco> a German sandwich to me would be laced with sauerkraut :D
17:53 < sth> heh
17:54 < erisco> I have the last bits of a jar if it in the fridge... how do you make a sandwich out of it? I am hungry now
17:54 < Jarda> erisco: I think fpf can populate those, I just don't know how...
17:55 < erisco> Jarda, I will program it myself and find out later then
17:58 < erisco> well, damn, Agavi is not picking up on it at all
17:58 < erisco> it thinks it is an empty array
17:59  * erisco + Agavi - Arrays = Happy
17:59 < erisco> rearrange as needed
18:00  * erisco - Happy = Arrays - Agavi
18:00 < erisco> it also seems contradictory
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18:07  * erisco becomes a non-happy camper
18:07 < erisco> Agavi is losing the elements out of my arrays *again*
18:08 < erisco> furthermore, FPF cannot seem to deal with the array either
18:08 < erisco> but that looks like it could be a document error, so I will investigate
18:17 < v-dogg> fpf has no problems with arrays
18:17 < v-dogg> neither does validation
18:17 < v-dogg> so fix your coed ;)
18:20 < horros> hi
18:21  * impl rubs his eyes
18:23 < sth> impl: How'd the interview go?
18:23 < impl> sth: good, thanks
18:23 < impl> they'll make an offer today
18:24 < sth> Going to drop out of uni?
18:24 < impl> well, if I take it, yeah, for now anyway
18:24 < sth> :/
18:24 < sth> Are you just finishing your first year?
18:24 < impl> yeah, but I have two years worth of credits
18:25 < ttj> Wanna give me some of them?-)
18:25 < sth> So you only need to do 1 more year?
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18:27 < impl> sth: two more years, at least
18:27 < impl> ttj: haha. I think I'll go back in a few years. :>
18:28 < sth> pft
18:28 < sth> dropping out is for losers.
18:28 < horros> impl is giving out university credits?
18:28 < horros> I'll take some!
18:29 < sth> I finished university with a 3.7 GPA
18:29 < impl> :(
18:30 < horros> I don't think I'll ever finish university :(
18:30 < erisco> v-dogg, validation does, and I have repos... FPF probably is not at any fault... I need to fix my document
18:31 < erisco> impl, oh, cool, what are you applying for?
18:31 < impl> erisco: senior software developer
18:32 < erisco> awesome, where at?
18:32 < impl> http://www.adknowledge.com/
18:34 < erisco> impl, awesome. well best of luck
18:34 < impl> thanks :)
18:36 < ttj> My boss just decided that I'm going to write my thesis next winter.
18:37 < erisco> v-dogg, whew, FPF did work. saves a couple lines of code :)
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19:29 < shrink0r> hi all
19:36 < erisco> heya
19:43 < graste1> hi :p
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20:54 < _cherh> hmm, converted that CircuitBreaker code to be more generic. still need tests. maybe tomorrow i
20:54 < _cherh> ... i'll know if it was worth doing :)
20:56 < movvy2> hmm
20:56 < movvy2> circuit breaker code?
20:59 < _cherh> http://devzone.zend.com/article/4434-Why-your-PHP-App-NEEDS-a-Circuit-Breaker
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22:03 < _cherh> We don’t have 64 bit support for Linux in 3.5. Sounds like it’s coming at some point, though.
22:03 < _cherh> doh.
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22:06 < movvy2> hmm
22:08 < movvy2> that seems to be a nice concept the circuit breaker
22:27 < erisco> heheh, except for the database portion
22:28 < erisco> but database failure is definitely easier to detect and react upon
22:28 < movvy2> ja
22:28 < movvy2> well actually what am I talking about, im agavi php retarded
22:28 < movvy2> im just in here because our project im working on is based on agavi
22:29 < movvy2> and by working on I mean its my startup and thats the technology we are using, I have no idea baout web dev
22:36 < erisco> movvy2, good luck :)
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22:42 < movvy2> heh
22:43 < movvy2> well thank you
22:44 < _cherh> what's your startup about, movvy2 ?
22:46 < movvy2> hmm am i still connected
22:46 < movvy2> iu just walked accross the hotel, not sure if switching AP's bombed me out?
22:46 < _cherh> still here :)
22:47 < movvy2> ahh
22:47 < movvy2> well so I do VoIP stuff ofr a living, I install large enterprises usually 2000 employees or larger
22:47 < movvy2> so what our product does is we have a website that is SaaS (the agavi site i speak of)
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22:48 < movvy2> and on this side it has a connection to a server we place internal to the business
22:48 < movvy2> which has SIP turnking and LDAP syncing
22:48 < movvy2> what this allows us to do is generate calls from any device out of the companies PBX
22:48 < movvy2> it allows us to do cross corporation phone presence over the web
22:49 < movvy2> we can even do logic like if im traveling in .uk from the .us and I use this app on my iphone
22:49 < movvy2> it will see im in the UK
22:49 < movvy2> go back to the companies PBX, generate an outbound call out of that companies london office
22:49 < movvy2> and connect me to my party
22:49 < movvy2> so we never pay long sitance or roaming charges
22:49 < movvy2> its basically a web portal to any voice contacting situation ever, for corporations
22:50 < movvy2> we are also making a SOAP based API which anyon can access to make their own plugins for other products
22:50 < movvy2> thats the short of it
22:50 < movvy2> its a massive undertaking
22:50 < _cherh> how big is the market for saas for voip?
22:50 < movvy2> well no the important thing to note is we don't to media streams
22:51 < movvy2> we only control call control protocols
22:51 < movvy2> all voice goes over the companies normal telco lines
22:51 < movvy2> and as far this goes, there isn't  aprodcut like this on the market
22:51 < movvy2> or anything even near, so the answer is I dont know
22:51 < movvy2> I can't guage it cause no one has done it
22:51 < movvy2> based off my business plan, I believe ridiculous on our cost model
22:52 < movvy2> I mean I got the idea from my customers bitching about shit
22:52 < _cherh> sounds cool nonetheless. i just started using skype recently on my e71, that's how behind im on utilizing voip anywhere
22:53 < _cherh> good luck on the road. first startup or #x already?
22:53 < movvy2> well first startup with a real chance, but #4 on the total list
22:53 < movvy2> the other 3 were failures
22:53 < movvy2> check your pm
22:54 < movvy2> however this one, well, was coming along nicely, now im in a hickup phase I need to get out of :)
22:56 < _cherh> first one often goes sour, despite it seeming so good at the time :D
23:05 < movvy2> it always does, thats the way of life
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23:35 < saracen> I'm getting really forgetful ;x. I was just sitting here wondering why I feel slightly drunk
23:35 < saracen> Then I remembered it's because I was actually drinking ;x
23:36 < saracen> I'd forgotten all about it
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01:38  * arcane spins about on his chair
01:42  * impl slaps arcane 
01:43  * arcane goes symfony on impl
01:44 < impl> oh great, now I smell like French people.
01:44 < arcane> they crack me up, they are so rude
01:44 < arcane> check this ticket out http://trac.symfony-project.org/ticket/6566
01:45 < arcane> the documentation the second to last guy refers to, doesnt even say what he thinks
01:45 < arcane> and the second comment in means he never read the ticket properly anyway
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03:47 < v-dogg> huomenta
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05:53 < horros> huomenta
05:57 < simoncpu> weee weee weeeee
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07:00 < movvy2> oi
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07:45 < saracen> !
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07:48 < graste^china> huomenta
07:50 < sth> Morning
07:51 < saracen> morning
07:51 < movvy2> morning
07:52 < fnordfish> huomenta
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08:01 < sth> Hai gais
08:01 < sth> movvy2: You're in here too?!
08:05 < movvy2> yes
08:05 < movvy2> the startup project im working on is using agavi
08:06 < movvy2> and since impl just took a new job, im down an agavi dev :(
08:06 < movvy2> so i figured I would hang out here and maybe learn something
08:07 < movvy2> or meet someone
08:07 < movvy2> or at least get a nice irc chat in
08:07 < movvy2> anywyas sth gotta run, my ride is here!
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08:19 < codecop> hi all
08:34 < simoncpu> movvy2: #agavi is a bad place to hang out
08:34 < simoncpu> i haven't seen a single hot babe here...
08:35  * graste^china heard rumors, that chuckwalla's supposed to be pretty hot... <:
08:38  * Wombert stabs simoncpu, movvy2 and graste^china 
08:38 < Wombert> behave
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08:38 < Wombert> there are girls here on occasion
08:38 < saracen> I could be a hot babe for $10.
08:38 < v-dogg> and sometimes Wombert just acts like one
08:38 < graste^china> :)
08:39 < sth> saracen: You couldn't even be a presentable bloke for $10
08:39 < saracen> Your mum didn't agree
08:40 < saracen> sth: Why are we talking in dollars? =(
08:40  * saracen initializes.
08:40 < sth> You started it
08:40 < Wombert> INITIALI*S*ES
08:40 < saracen> Your face started it
08:40 < Wombert> hah!
08:40 < sth> heh
08:40 < Wombert> saracen: YOU'RE AN AMERICAN
08:40 < Wombert> THERE IS ZE PROOF
08:40 < saracen> Wombert: YOU'RE A GERMAN
08:40 < Wombert> YOU SAID INITIALIZE
08:41 < saracen> I think we know who wins this round.
08:41 < Wombert> saracen: oh, touché
08:41 < saracen> Wombert: That was the point =(
08:41 < sth> I'm going to ask kaos for an agavi subversion account and replace initialize and do a commit.
08:41 < saracen> sth said yesterday he was annoyed for your americanized zource codez
08:41 < saracen> about your*
08:42 < saracen> sth: Make everybody happy, __call and allow both
08:42 < sth> pft
08:42 < sth> No alternatives, just British English!
08:42 < saracen> On every class. I think the benefits of S over Z outweight the slowness
08:42 < v-dogg> Esperanto!
08:42 < v-dogg> and, of course, Finnish
08:43 < saracen> We could take a lesson from the sevenload guys and run every function call in agavi through the translation manager.
08:43 < saracen> The translation manager might be a problem, we'd have to write it in PUREMATH.
08:47 < Wombert> [10:43] saracen: We could take a lesson from the sevenload guys and run every function call in agavi through the translation manager.
08:47 < Wombert> uh? :p
08:47 < saracen> Don't they run their routing through the translation manager, so links like /myaccount would become /glockenspiel in german?
08:47 < sth> lol
08:48 < v-dogg> but not _every_ _function_ call :D
08:48 < saracen> I know not every function call, my point is we could copy the sillyness of it :P
08:48 < saracen> Because, I think it's silly =(. myaccount should _always_ be glockenspiel.
08:48 < sth> so every English word becomes Glockenspiel in German?
08:48 < Wombert> no
08:48 < v-dogg> I wouldn't call that completely silly
08:49 < Wombert> and it isn't
08:49 < saracen> sth: Thats right. You just have to say it in different tones for the meaning to change
08:49 < v-dogg> I thought you German only had one tone
08:49 < v-dogg> loud
08:49 < v-dogg> angry
08:49 < v-dogg> -you
08:49 < horros> shouty
08:50 < horros> accompanied by fist-waving
08:50 < v-dogg> :D
08:50 < saracen> and knee length socks
08:50 < simoncpu> and skirts
08:50 < horros> and tiroler-hats
08:50 < sth> "ZE GLOCKENSPIEL IST GUT, JA?!" *shouts, waves fist and wears German clothing*
08:50 < saracen> and a person gas chamber
08:50 < saracen> personal*
08:51 < saracen> Well anyway, I think it's silly. But I guess it seems to work for them. I just wouldnt do it, sounds like effort =(
08:51 < horros> sth: You can also yell "STEFANSCHNITZEL!"
08:51 < saracen> STEFANSCHNITGLOCKENZIL
08:51 < sth> I think the person who designed the glockenspiel should be hung before he got to make it
08:52 < saracen> sth: the glockenspiel is awesome
08:52 < sth> It's the most retarded thing I've seen since being here and David is only 2 metres away :P
08:52 < sth> saracen: Have you seen it?
08:52 < saracen> If he hadn't made it, we wouldnt have the most offensive word in German
08:52 < horros> GESCHWINDIGKEITSÜBERTRETUNGSGELDSTRAFE!
08:53 < saracen> Are we talking about the same glockenspiel? Of course i've seen them
08:55 < sth> The in the town centre in Munich?
08:55 < sth> the one*
08:55 < saracen> Oh, no. I'm talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glockenspiel
08:55 < saracen> The instrument
08:55 < Wombert> :<
08:56 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathaus-Glockenspiel
08:56 < saracen> sth: Is wombert crying?
08:56 < sth> saracen: http://galenfry.com/ge04/P039.jpg
08:56 < sth> saracen: Maybe on the inside
08:56 < saracen> Well, he's german. Makes sense
08:56 < saracen> I'm going to stop being racist now. =(
08:57 < saracen> What is it.
08:57 < saracen> Why is that a tourist attraction ;x
08:57 < Wombert> because the japanese tourists find it adorable :)
08:57 < saracen> Now the heap of metal on that peterborough roundabout looks cool.
08:58 < sth> heh
08:58 < saracen> I find it slightly adorable, only because the people are caged
08:58 < sth> saracen: Near the perkins roundabout?
08:59 < Wombert> http://www.bbc.co.uk/cambridgeshire/content/images/2004/11/22/pboro_roundabout2_203_203x152.jpg that one? lovely
08:59 < saracen> sth: I can't actually remember lol, I started driving a few months back now and I havent done much exploring and am only just figuring out where roads are in relation to me ;x
08:59 < Wombert> you have absolutely no sense of style, do you
08:59 < sth> heh
08:59 < sth> Wombert: That's a real thing
08:59 < Wombert> http://www.bbc.co.uk/cambridgeshire/content/articles/2004/11/22/peterborough_roundabout_calendar_feature.shtml
08:59 < Wombert> rofl
08:59 < Wombert> you brits are retarded
08:59 < Wombert> srsly
09:00 < saracen> Don't get brits confused with peteborough. I don't live there any more, and sth was probably the last white person to leave
09:00 < sth> lol
09:01 < saracen> Gladstone street, "Where it's perfectly OK to shit in your garden".
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09:05 < sth> wtf, Peterborough has a "sculpture trust" http://www.peterborough.net/lifestyle/articles/sculpture.asp
09:06 < saracen> http://www.peterborough.net/media/lifestyle/untitledsculp.jpg
09:06 < saracen> wut
09:06 < saracen> From what I remember, that's just all brown now?
09:06 < sth> I've not seen that one
09:08 < saracen> Remember seeing it frequently years and years ago
09:08 < saracen> god, thats such a shit website
09:09 < sth> Of course.
09:10 < sth> although, it's a good representation of Peterborough :)
09:15 < saracen> :D
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09:31 < _cheerios> huomenta
09:31 < sth> Hey
09:32 < ttj> Yay, found a store that sells Oliver Peoples in Helsinki.
09:33 < sth> Oliver Peoples?
09:33 < ttj> Eyewear.
09:33 < ttj> Looking for sunglasses.
09:33 < sth> But none of their glasses look nice
09:34 < sth> I wanted to buy a set of unbreakable glasses when I was on the plane to Germany
09:34 < ttj> I like the Strummers. Have to try them on.
09:34 < sth> Because I break sunglasses really quickly
09:34 < ttj> I don't. :)
09:35 < ttj> http://www.oliverpeoples.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/960x480/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/r/i/riley_ot.jpg
09:35 < ttj> Those are cool.
09:35 < horros> Woody Allen -glasses?
09:36 < ttj> Dunno?
09:38 < saracen> I hate it when I have to say "sudo" over the phone
09:38 < saracen> I say it su do, and the person on the other end always corrects me
09:39 < saracen> IT'S SUPPOSE TO BE SAID SU DO
09:39 < sth> Those are not cool glasses
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09:39 < reza_> hi
09:39 < sth> I say it like: sue-doe
09:40 < reza_> i would like to know how can i load diffrent master page for my website
09:40 < reza_> i didnot find it in manual
09:40 < saracen> sth: Most people seem to ;x
09:40 < Seldaek> hahaha http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3328/gummy.jpg
09:40 < saracen> It just always made sense for me to call it su do
09:41 < saracen> Because I was saying su before, and now I'm doing.
09:41 < saracen> I'm su do =(
09:41 < sth> ...
09:41 < sth> sue-doe damn it
09:41 < ttj> sth: They are!
09:41 < saracen> sth: Now how nature intended!
09:41 < saracen> It should really be two words, but it's obviously a program =(
09:41 < sth> saracen: you fail at life
09:41 < ttj> sth: Pair them with a nice sharp suit and a stainless steel and glass office environment and voila!
09:42 < reza_> is there any one can help to hoe change my master page
09:42 < reza_> ?
09:42 < sth> ttj: There's only one setting they'd look good, in a bin.
09:42 < ttj> Pfft.
09:42 < ttj> The nerd chic is so cool.
09:43 < v-dogg> reza_: $this->context->getLayer('decorator')->setTemplate(AgaviConfig::get('core.templates').'/myothermaster')
09:44 < v-dogg> or create a different layout in output_types.xml and load it using: $this->setupHtml($rd, 'myotherlayout');
09:44 < reza_> i must use it in action?
09:44 < reza_> v-dogg
09:44 < v-dogg> no, view
09:44 < reza_> ok
09:44 < reza_> just one thing
09:44 < reza_> i finish one web site with agavi
09:45 < reza_> and then upload it in my vps
09:45 < reza_> my vps has 256 mb ram 
09:45 < reza_> and there is only one site
09:45 < reza_> but i have the error of low memory
09:45 < reza_> is agavi need big memory?
09:46 < sth> reza_: I run agavi perfectly fine on 128M of RAM assigned to PHP
09:46 < v-dogg> same here
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09:46 < graste^china> perhaps your php memory limit is not set correctly
09:46 < reza_> yes i set in 
09:46 < reza_> set it
09:46 < saracen> or you're doing something weird with a huge structure with your own code
09:46 < reza_> on my ini and apache
09:46 < reza_> ye
09:46 < reza_> yes
09:47 < reza_> i connect to 3 Db that locate on other server
09:47 < reza_> everything is ok
09:47 < saracen> That still wouldn't do it, unless you're fetching a ton of data
09:47 < saracen> in one request
09:48 < reza_> no i manage it saracen
09:48 < reza_> when i increase my memery it work ok
09:48 < reza_> i love agavi
09:49 < reza_> if i can use master page and layouts
09:49 < reza_> i know agavi
09:49 < reza_> and i can use it
09:50 < reza_> agavi is good framework , i think the best
09:50 < reza_> thanks v-dogg 
09:50 < reza_> i try your help
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13:46 < CIA-54> felix * r4172 /documentation/branches/felix-build-scripts-rewrite/DITA-OT1.5/xsl/map2xhtmtoc_website.xsl: stylesheet for the website toc
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14:25 < E_mE> http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/2009/06/25/rape-fantasies-and-hygiene-by-state/
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15:23 < erisco> another full house! hey everyone
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15:23 < sth> Hai
15:24 < erisco> going to have to restart soon because my kernel is being updated
15:25 < sth> heh, poor linux users.
15:25 < erisco> but as a bonus, also in the updates, Pidgin can now connect to Yahoo Messenger properly and I can talk to my friend again
15:26 < sth> pft
15:26 < sth> Everything for linux results in a kernel recompile
15:26 < erisco> it does? at least I did not have to do the compilation myself
15:26 < erisco> anyways, brb :P
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15:28 < erisco> sth, see, that wasn't too hard
15:29 < sth> pft
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16:18 < luke`> What is the best way to use ezcomponents with agavi? require_once AgaviConfig::get('core.libs_dir') . '/ezcomponents/Base/src/base.php'; spl_autoload_register(array('ezcBase', 'autoload')); 
16:18 < luke`> Is this still the best way to access the components?
16:18 < erisco> that is what we do for Doctrine, so I'd say yes
16:19 < luke`> in the config.php, right?
16:19 < erisco> hmm, we do not do it there, no
16:21 < luke`> where then?
16:21 < erisco> still trying to figure that out :)
16:21  * luke` ok
16:21 < erisco> I know we load the library in autoload.xml where we should
16:21 < erisco> I am trying to find where we register the autoloader
16:26 < erisco> luke`, oh, of course
16:26 < erisco> we use the doctrine adapter that Agavi provides which allows us to configure its setup through databases.xml
16:27 < erisco> so I think your best bet is registering the autoloader in config.php
16:28 < erisco> there might be something more sophisticated but I don't see anything wrong with putting it in config.php
16:28 < Wombert> yes luke` 
16:29 < erisco> Wombert, oh, hi :)
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16:30 < luke`> thanks Wombert. I have been following agavi passively for the last year. So I am not sure what has changed and wanted to reconfirm my understanding
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16:51 < luke`> var_dump(AgaviConfig::get('core.lib_dir')); // I get null in config.php. Do I need initialize this variable?
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16:58 < luke`> weird, I only have core.app_dir set by default
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17:26 < erisco> luke`, you have that set because it is set in config.php
17:26 < erisco> luke`, you are right, lib_dir is not set at that time
17:27 < erisco> luke`, but you do know that it defaults to <core.app_dir>/lib
17:28 < luke`> erisco: that's my point, it doesn't default to anything. I get null
17:29 < erisco> luke`, I know, it is not set until later
17:29 < erisco> luke`, but it will be set to that default when it is unless you set it to something else in config.php
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17:43 < sth> Pissing .DS_Store files
17:45 < impl> s/\.DS_Store files/Macs/
17:45 < impl> kthx
17:48 < sth> diaf dropout
17:53 < sth> pwned.
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19:56  * erisco y
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20:24 < saracen> Isn't the author of dwoo in this channel?
20:26 < saracen> Seldaek: !
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20:31 < sth> saracen: http://speed.travian.com
20:31 < sth> Go play
20:33 < saracen> why would I want to?
20:33 < saracen> I never did play nukezone, you know. I just wanted to at college, but didnt know how to approach you cool kids.
20:35 < _cherh> sth, is travian like planetarion?
20:37 < sth> yeah
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21:15 < _cherh> steer clear of those blackholes :)
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21:22 < CIA-54> felix * r4174 /documentation/branches/felix-build-scripts-rewrite/topics/images/ (5 files): added the images to the topics, makes the editor work properly and the images will be copied by dita-OT
21:24 < CIA-54> felix * r4175 /documentation/branches/felix-build-scripts-rewrite/build/agavi-guide.xml: replaced the old build script by a proper ant script and some xhtml magic
21:27 < CIA-54> felix * r4176 /documentation/branches/felix-build-scripts-rewrite/build.sh: replaced the old build script by a proper ant script and some xhtml magic
21:30 < CIA-54> felix * r4177 /documentation/branches/felix-build-scripts-rewrite/ (8 files in 2 dirs): removed outdated build scripts
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21:43 < CIA-54> felix * r4178 /documentation/branches/felix-build-scripts-rewrite/build/agavi-guide.xml: fixed basedir to point to a location relative to the build script
21:45 < CIA-54> felix * r4179 /documentation/branches/felix-build-scripts-rewrite/DITA-OT1.5/xsl/map2xhtmtoc_website.xsl: custom stylesheet for the website toc
21:49 < impl> oh! snap!
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21:51 < Xylakant> hmm?
21:57 < impl> glad someone's doing that :D
21:58 < Xylakant> the dita stylesheet and build scripts?
21:58 < Xylakant> I've been wading through literally thousands of lines of xsl...
21:58 < impl> yeah
21:59 < Xylakant> but it certainly was time to fix that
21:59 < impl> they looked like a disaster the last time I looked at the docs stuff
22:01 < Xylakant> they haven't got much better
22:02 < Xylakant> i always thought of xsl as a pretty sick idea
22:03 < Xylakant>   <xsl:value-of select="$newline"/>
22:03 < Xylakant> bah
22:03 < Xylakant> pfui
22:04 < CIA-54> felix * r4180 /documentation/branches/felix-build-scripts-rewrite/DITA-OT1.5/xsl/ (3 files): reorganized the stylesheets a little, make a custom base that does not set doctypes on the output and a stylesheet for the website as well as for the xhtml documentation that inherit from it
22:05 < Xylakant> at least it seems to work just fine now with recent dita-ot versions
22:05 < Xylakant> which enables us to have nightly doku builds
22:09 < Xylakant> fixed some minor stuff along the lines, like the headings
22:09 < Xylakant> now I just need to fix the styling
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22:16 < impl> :D
22:16 < erisco> Xylakant, whatcha guys working on?
22:16 < Xylakant> doku
22:16 < erisco> that sounds like legend of zelda
22:17 < Rayne> deku != doku :)
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22:18 < erisco> haha, fair enough Rayne ;)
22:18 < erisco> DokuWiki? help me out ehre :P
22:18 < erisco> here*
22:19 < Rayne> i should play OoT again. never finished that game :/
22:20  * erisco has never played a single Zelda game
22:20 < Rayne> u failed hard
22:20  * erisco only got to watch as his friends played
22:20 < Rayne> hehe
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22:50  * erisco now feels lonely and out of the loop
22:53 < saracen> } while(true);
22:53 < erisco> what does that mean? and I *never* use do blocks
22:54 < saracen> I imaged there was a do statement before your text, so I encapsulated you
22:54 < saracen> Putting you back in the loop.
22:54 < erisco> run once but repeat if necessary is not a case I have ever come across strangely
22:54 < saracen> imagined*
22:55 < erisco> saracen, well, thanks, that's comforting
22:55 < saracen> np :p
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05:50 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:47 < codecop> morning all
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07:12 < Seldaek> saracen: ?
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07:12 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:04 < graste^china> huomenta
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08:08 < _cheerios> FRIDAY!!! \o/
08:08 < graste^china> casual friday!
08:09  * v-dogg takes of his pants
08:10 < graste^china> :)
08:10 < v-dogg> what? what do you mean being butt-naked is not casual?
08:10 < graste^china> in fact it is!
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08:20 < ttj> I always assumed that Casual Friday was just a trick to lure out the people who own bahama shirts and then know who to fire the next time the company does reductions.
08:21 < v-dogg> haha
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08:37 < Jarda> v-dogg: please put your pants back on
08:37 < Jarda> as we ar about to take some lunch oknp
08:38 < Jarda> me very hungry
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08:49  * sth slaps netbeans
08:49 < graste^china> :>
08:49 < graste^china> why's that
08:49 < sth> The UML tools suck
08:49 < sth> :P
08:50 < graste^china> who needs uml :p
08:50 < graste^china> uml sketching mode ftw
08:50 < sth> I was trying to make use case diagrams
08:51 < graste^china> <:
08:51 < graste^china> quixotic
08:51  * graste^china googled that
08:53 < _cheerios> that reminds me, should upgrade to 6.7
09:11 < Xylakant> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/07/universal-plans-to-bring-asteroids-to-theaters.ars
09:11 < sth> Yeah
09:11 < sth> IT's awesome
09:11 < sth> It's*
09:12 < sth> It's just going to be 5 minutes looped
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09:33 < _cheerios> Armageddon 2
09:33 < sth> c-c-c-c-c-combo breaker!
09:46 < ttj> Hmm... Can someone remind me where the name of the template variable is defined in the configs?
09:48 < ttj> Ah, nevermind, the sample app helped.
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10:52 < sth> Busy in the BX office today, Xylakant is putting up wallpaper.
11:27 < horros> mmm
11:28  * horros hugs netbeans and <editor-fold defaultstate="collapsed" desc="Whatsgoingonhere"> </editor-fold>
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12:06 < luke`> how do I get the $ro->getBaseHref() using ezc templates?
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12:28 < graste^china> horros do you have hints enabled in the editor?
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13:36 < nfq> yo Xylakant 
13:37 < Xylakant> hi
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13:38 < nfq> Xylakant: wombert around today?
13:38 < Xylakant> yes
13:39 < sth> It's not raining, honest.
13:40 < nfq> sth: here either.. would be cool if it did.. as it's fucking hot
13:40 < nfq> which is actually nice
13:40 < sth> It's like a tropical storm here :)
13:40 < nfq> haha nice
13:40 < sth> stupid munich, I wouldn't have seen this much rain if I stayed in the UK
13:41 < sth> Just when you think the rain is letting up, it starts getting harder
13:48 < Xylakant> so if we all quit in a second or so, we've been eradicated by a flash
13:48 < Xylakant> lightning...
13:48 < Xylakant> whatever
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14:03 < erisco> huomenta!
14:03 < erisco> kaos|work, how has working out that bug been going? I think I've found another case
14:04 < kaos|work> hi
14:04 < erisco> hey
14:04 < kaos|work> i have to write a patch to fix the issues we found first ;)
14:04 < kaos|work> but show me the case pls
14:04 < CIA-54> felix * r4181 /branches/felix-testing-implementation/src/testing/ (AgaviPhpUnitTestCase.class.php AgaviTesting.class.php): 
14:04 < CIA-54> allow controlling of the agavi boostrap in isolation environments by using the annotation
14:04 < CIA-54> @agaviBootstrap on|off (or true|false or yes|no)
14:04 < CIA-54> default is true
14:05 < erisco> a recent addition to RedRacer was RedracerIsArrayValidator because I needed to wrap input in the form of arrays into an ArrayObject
14:05 < erisco> you know, ?foo[]=blah&foo[]=something
14:05 < erisco> foo kept losing its items too
14:05 < erisco> I will try a repo on the example app again
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14:36 < erisco> kaos|work, ah, this appears to be a different case
14:36 < erisco> kaos|work, I do not have to export it wrapped in an ArrayObject, but I do seem to have to export t otherwise it is lost
14:37 < erisco> kaos|work, here is the patch: http://pastebin.com/d79f25cd3
14:38 < kaos|work> erisco: that behaviour is entirely correct tho
14:38 < erisco> kaos|work, why is this?
14:38 < kaos|work> you'r not validating the array properly (you actually have to validate each and every member for it to come thru)
14:39 < erisco> I see, but how would I validate every member of it?
14:39 < kaos|work> depends on how the array looks like
14:39 < kaos|work> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_12
14:45 < erisco> kaos|work, okay, my array is an array of ids in a database table. If I am to validate them, I would want to verify that they all exist, but I would want to obviously do it all in one query
14:45 < erisco> kaos|work, so how would I validate an array in one validator call?
14:45 < kaos|work> using a custom validator
14:45 < kaos|work> which flags all fields it checks manually
14:46 < sth> gah
14:46 < sth> It's taken me 4 attempts to make a macports file
14:46 < kaos|work> and we employ that guy ... :p
14:47 < sth> :(
14:47  * sth hides
14:48 < sth> Maybe I should have tried my patch before uubmitting it
14:48 < sth> submitting*
14:48 < Xylakant> maybe you should run a spellchecker before hitting enter as well ;)
14:49 < horros> Oh, I see sth is busy failing today.
14:49  * horros ducks
14:50 < sth> yup
14:50 < sth> Seems I'm having an off day
14:51 < sth> Xylakant: my irc client doesn't have a spell checker
14:51 < sth> I'd have to write on in perl first.
14:51 < Xylakant> well, you get what you pay for
14:51 < sth> Yeah, I paid nothing for irssi
14:52 < sth> But I did pay thousands of pounds for my education... money well spent it seems.
14:55 < Xylakant> well well. The famous difference between "kostenlos" und "umsonst". 
14:55 < Xylakant> go look that up :)
14:55 < sth> Just did
14:56 < Xylakant> I have to admit that in general he's doing pretty good work
14:56 < Xylakant> except when sorting wallpaper pieces for instance...
14:56 < sth> that *was* david
14:56 < Xylakant> maybe. but you're the intern, you take the blame.
14:57 < sth> How come Darko gets away with it?
14:57 < Xylakant> wait for next month
14:57 < sth> Oh, we take it turns, that's bad for me since I'm here for a month longer.
14:58 < Xylakant> hmm
14:59 < Xylakant> all right, off to the train
14:59 < Xylakant> cya all
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15:01 < sth> IT WORKS!
15:02 < E_mE> liar
15:02  * sth does a 80's celabration fist in the air jump
15:02 < erisco> kaos|work, how do I flag all the individual fields?
15:02 < sth> celebration*
15:02 < sth> Xylakant is right, I need a spell checker
15:03 < sth> E_mE: I never lie, unless it's for person gain :P
15:03 < kaos|work> $this->parentContainer->addArgumentResult(new AgaviValidationArgument('name', $this->getParameter('source')), AgaviValidator::SUCCESS, $this);
15:04 < kaos|work> or rather this->getParentContainer()
15:04 < E_mE> sth: is this not a reputation stunt then? :D 
15:06 < sth> No, kaos|work can confirm it works.
15:06 < kaos|work> can I ?
15:07 < kaos|work> :p
15:07  * E_mE points at sth 
15:07 < sth> arse
15:07  * sth hides
15:07 < sth> I'm not here
15:07 < E_mE> least you spelt that correctly ;)
15:08 < E_mE> though I'm not one to talk about spelling hehe! but then i don't write ASSSSSS!!!
15:08 < sth> "Arse" is much better than "Ass"
15:09  * E_mE Agrees
15:09 < erisco> kaos|work, thanks I will give that a shot
15:09 < E_mE> bit like Colour and Mum :P
15:25  * erisco <-- its his birthday
15:25 < sth> Happy Birthday and all that junk
15:26 < erisco> thanks sth :D
15:26 < erisco> I know you try not to be friendly, but you are in fact the first to wish me a happy birthday
15:26 < sth> My birthday is in 16 days
15:26 < erisco> July 19th?
15:26 < sth> yeah
15:26 < erisco> I'll try to remember :)
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15:29 < E_mE> my birthday soon too, its all July people round here :)
15:42 < erisco> kaos|work, do you literally mean $this->getParameter('source') or do you mean to replace source with something? the name of the array?
15:44 < kaos|work> erisco: literally
15:45 < erisco> kaos|work, and 'name' is replaced with each key in the array?
15:46 < kaos|work> it's the full qualified name
15:46 < kaos|work> which you can get via
15:47 < kaos|work> $this->getBase()->pushRetNew('key')->__toString()
15:48 < erisco> okay I will give this a shot now
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16:07 < erisco> kaos|work, should my validator config look any different than usual? do I need those extra base tags or something?
16:07 < erisco> I am just giving it <argument>projectTypes</argument>
16:07 < kaos|work> no
16:07 < kaos|work> yeah
16:07 < kaos|work> thats right
16:07 < erisco> hm, okay, must have done something else wrong
16:08 < erisco> kaos|work, the expression $this->getBase()->pushRetNew($key)->__toString(); is just returning whatever $key is
16:08 < erisco> as a string of course
16:08 < kaos|work> oh
16:09 < kaos|work> yeah
16:09 < kaos|work> of course
16:09 < kaos|work> sorry
16:09 < kaos|work> then you have to construct the name manually
16:09 < kaos|work> this would be projectTypes[key] in your case
16:09 < erisco> $arg.'['.$key.']'?
16:09 < kaos|work> yeah
16:10 < erisco> okay will try that
16:11 < erisco> kaos|work, is working like a charm, thanks
16:11 < kaos|work> :)
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16:20 < erisco> ah don't you love making a commit just to find that you missed something and either the code breaks or your commit message is wrong?
16:20 < sth> Wow, there's an english version of foo bar baz
16:20 < sth> But they're retarded
16:20 < erisco> is there not a way to repair commit messages?
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16:20 < erisco> sth must be having fun with his new spellchecker/dictionary :)
16:22 < sth> No, David asked for what comes after baz in metasyntatic variables
16:22 < sth> I had no idea so I did what any one would do, googled it
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16:24 < sth> I need a colour profile for this monitor
16:24 < sth> It's starting to annoy me
16:24 < erisco> a team should sit down and come up with a sufficiently long list of metasyntatic variables, so you call them
16:24 < sth> Almost as much as the way wombert says "Variable"
16:24 < sth> erisco: MIT already have
16:24 < erisco> and where is this list?
16:24 < sth> foo, bar, baz, qux, quux... etc
16:25 < erisco> just add more u's? really?
16:25 < sth> apparently
16:25 < erisco> that is both a short list and increasingly difficult to read
16:25 < erisco> three of the terms already casually existed
16:26 < erisco> okay, I am going to do this
16:26 < erisco> I will create a generator for such names, then hand pick the good ones
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16:26 < erisco> solving this "omg, quuux is getting ridiculous" problem
16:30 < erisco> there, a beautiful list of potential names
16:37 < erisco> hey, I regenerated "foo"... it must be good
16:40 < erisco> sth, okay, which do you like? http://pastebin.com/d60908d71
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16:42 < sth> none? :P
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16:49 < sth> My desk looks wrong.
16:49 < sth> David's trashed my desk
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16:53 < erisco> sth, aw come on! surely at least one of them
16:53 < erisco> what are they missing?
16:56 < sth> They're not catchy
16:56 < sth> foo, bar, baz are
16:57 < CIA-54> kirila * r4182 /trunk/test/tests/unit/config/AgaviConfigTest.php: tests for AgaviConfig; 100% coverage.
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17:19 < erisco> sth, sure they are. some of them are pronounceable
17:19 < erisco> maybe you just did not give them a fair chance yes?
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18:17 < sth> erisco: They suck :)
18:27 < erisco> sth, no way! there are only so many things to do with three letters
18:27 < erisco> I think $qux sucks
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21:20 < mob_yo> hello
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21:25 < mob_yo> is there a way to retrieve the name of the module in use at runtime?
21:25 < mob_yo> Something like AgaviConfig::get('core.module_dir')
21:25 < sth> It'll be in the context object
21:25 < sth> $this->getContext()
21:26 < sth> Something like: $this->getContext()->getModule()
21:26 < sth> maybe
21:26 < mob_yo> ah, ok I'll look at the source; thx :)
21:27 < sth> There's api docs on the agavi website
21:30 < mob_yo> aha AgaviExecutionContainer::getModuleName()
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21:48 < _cherh> http://components.symfony-project.org/ interesting. symfony is digging inroads to ezc/zend?
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07:09 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:38 < codecop> huomenta
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08:32 < _cherh> huomenta!
08:33 < sth> Morning
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10:42 < _cherh> meh. still doing the circuitbreaker code and i'm not yet even at tests phase.
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19:17 < justanothercoder> my agavi project wizard kinda hangs during Agavi > action-locate: 
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19:46 < impl> justanothercoder: what do you mean hangs?
19:46 < justanothercoder> sorry , i guess it took ages, it finally completed, but took several minutes at that stage
19:46 < justanothercoder> i waited for a few mins and then Ctrl + C 'ed it
19:47 < justanothercoder> then i ran it again , and it finished, i guess it takes quite a bit of time
19:47 < justanothercoder> is that normal? 
20:00 < v-dogg> no
20:00 < impl> blah
20:00 < justanothercoder> ok must be something wrong with my env
20:00 < impl> what OS, PHP version, Agavi version, and Phing version?
20:03 < justanothercoder> ubuntu-server PHP 5.2.5 pear 1.7.1 stable , agavi 1.0.1 , phing version 2.3.3 
20:07 < impl> hmh
20:08 < impl> nothing unremarkable there
20:09 < justanothercoder> tried it again, with a new project same thing happens, takes atleast few minutes   at that phase, maybe its my slice, i have a slice on slicehost with 256 megs of ram, but i checked prior to running agavi project-wizard and i have 120 megs of free mem
20:10 < impl> I don't think there's anything remotely intensive in that step
20:11 < impl> yeah.. all it does is check whether files exist
20:11 < impl> are you out of disk space or something?
20:12 < justanothercoder> impl: nope, got several gigs of free space
20:12  * impl has no idea
20:13 < justanothercoder> ok must be one of those random gremlins
20:13 < justanothercoder> i think it took 4 mins this time at that step
20:14  * impl has never heard of this problem before either
20:14 < impl> if you're feeling bored you could try to profile the build script using xdebug + kcachegrind
20:15 < justanothercoder> sounds like a fun weekend plan :)
20:15 < justanothercoder> not very familiar with xdebug or kcachegrind either
20:16 < justanothercoder> i've enabled xdebug once, but could never get it to work with emacs . 
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21:24 < _cherh> for the finns: http://www.tuubi.net/axe/hannes_sarjis.jpg
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21:52 < _cherh> as gmail allows any number of dots and plusses in the mail, anyone done a gmail email duplicate check?
22:05 < _cherh> wondering how to match "fo.o.bar" and "foobar" for similarity
22:05 < _cherh> (in an sql query)
22:18 < justanothercoder> _cherh :  i think you'll have to use regex
22:19 < _cherh> it's on the table as one of the options, but i haven't figured out how to do such a regex query. all i have is a brute-force way of fetching all gmail addresses, and doing preg_replace[.+] in userland, then checking for dupes.
22:20 < justanothercoder> maybe when you're storing the email addresses, you can have another column that strips the . and stores it without
22:20 < justanothercoder> an additional column, just to make your search easier
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22:30 < _cherh> mysql replace() to the rescue
22:31 < _cherh> select replace(replace(replace(email, '@gmail.com', ''), '+', ''), '.', '') as mail;
22:32 < _cherh> works too. thanks rubber duck!
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23:43 < _cherh> raid data-checks on a live server o_O 2000mins.
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08:01 < _cherh> huomenta
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08:23 < v-dogg> huomenta
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08:38 < _cherh> morning patch before morning shower and morning breakfast o_O
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08:40 < ttj> Morning jog.
08:41 < _cherh> :)
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10:32 < ttj> 16.5km. \o/
10:39 < _cheerios> you're in shape, bastard!
10:40 < ttj> Well, I have to try to keep fit so that I can run away from my boss.
10:40 < ttj> Unfortunately he's still faster than me. :(
10:41 < _cheerios> Old people can be truly annoying!
10:42 < _cheerios> I just jogged the first time in like a month. Same old quick 20min route. Hopefully knee has had enough rest now, I'll aim for 10km within two weeks.
10:43 < ttj> Just remember to run slow enough in the beginning.
11:07 < _cheerios> slowness begings by looking into swiftmailer to replace mail() -- some emails i'm sending are not going thru :<
11:20 < _cheerios> lol @ free yahoo mail. i get like HUGE ads :)
11:20 < _cheerios> they could've atleast put them to either side of the screen, instead of right next to the functionality.
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12:12 < MikeSeth> hayguise
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12:13 < MikeSeth> durr
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12:33 < _cheerios> swiftmailer in use, emails flowing -- hopefully with a higher percentage reaching their destination :)
12:33 < _cheerios> sup MikeSeth 
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13:23 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: swiftmailer v4 is nice
13:27 < _cheerios> 550 Access denied - Invalid HELO name (See RFC2821 4.1.1.1)
13:28 < _cheerios> SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<snip@snip.com>: host mx00.1and1.com [74.208.5.3]: 421 unable to verify sender domain
13:28 < MikeSeth> morons 
13:28 < _cheerios> still getting some errors. using sendmail (exim4), and reverse dns is setup
13:28 < MikeSeth> helohost checks should never yield errors
13:29 < _cheerios> those domains that are causing problems are personal domains, so it affects only them.
13:29 < _cheerios> errors from 1and1.com hosting though can be a bigger problem, if its 1and1 wide
13:29 < MikeSeth> the mta should be sending the correct hostname in HELO
13:29 < MikeSeth> if it doesnt then retard checks on the mx will fail
13:30 < MikeSeth> if the server admins bothered to actually READ the rfc (or djb's rants on the topic) then their smtp wont be fubar
13:30 < _cheerios> how can i check what gets sent? just to be sure i've done all i can on my end. haven't done much email debugging. atleast the message headers have all domain informatin correct, that i've checked.
13:35 < _cheerios> one problem could be that im not using a FQDN as my hostname, perhaps I should.
13:36 < MikeSeth> i donno what exim sends as helo host
13:37 < MikeSeth> if you are using smtp transport in swiftmailer [i imagine] you can configure the helo host
13:40 < _cheerios> only outgoing via sendmail, i do full-duplex (:p) separately with google apps for the domain. i'm an email n00b like that.
13:41 < _cheerios> i modified swift to set the correct Message-ID earlier. by default everything does seem to use the hostname, which I now set to the correct fqdn. I'll know on the next retry if things are good.
13:41 < _cheerios> perhaps i should look into exim configs to find out how-to retry immediately to find out
13:46 < _cheerios> should be fine enough. will monitor for a few days. who uses 1and1 anyhow. :p
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14:44 < _cheerios> wtf. tietoasema closing :< where will i get computer parts nearby now. sigh
14:45  * impl prods #agavi
14:45  * sth kicks impl in the nuts
14:46 < impl> HEY SIMON CAN WE HAVE PICTURES OF YOUR HAIRCUT?
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14:51 < sth> NO, MY HAIR IS STUPID
14:51 < sth> I'm so going to get mocked tomorrow at work
14:52  * impl would find that quite amusing :D
14:52 < sth> At least I won't need a haircut whilst I'm here
14:52 < impl> while*
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14:53 < sth> whilst works.
14:53 < impl> it's deprecated.
14:53 < sth> It's a British word
14:53 < impl> that's also deprecated
14:54 < sth> Not here in the UK
14:54 < impl> :D
14:54 < sth> It's a real word here
14:54 < sth> Well, there
14:56 < sth> It's going to take until the end of this month before I can have a decent style again
14:56 < sth> :(
14:57 < impl> lawl
14:57  * impl hasn't got a haircut in about 9 months now
14:57 < sth> hippy.
14:57 < impl> I kno rite
14:58 < impl> but at least you can't see my skull.
14:58 < sth> You need a military cut like mine :P
14:58  * impl will pass
14:58 < impl> :P
14:58 < sth> heh
14:59 < sth> It's quite surreal, I told the barber what I wanted and all of a sudden, he pulls out the clippers disregards EVERYTHING I said and attacks me with a 1cm clipper setting
15:00 < sth> At the end, he adds insult to injury when he puts gel on my hair, GEL?! It's like giving an double leg amputee a pair of new shoes
15:00 < impl> I hope you didn't tip him :P
15:00 < sth> no
15:00 < sth> I was in two minds if I should pay
15:01 < impl> lol
15:02 < impl> did you try to yell at him in German?
15:06 < sth> my power just went out
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15:23 < erisco> hey
15:23 < erisco> everyone
15:26 < erisco> especially Chuckwal1a, how are you doing?
15:30 < impl> :P
15:31 < erisco> impl, what's new?
15:31 < impl> not much, getting ready to start ze new job tomorrow
15:31 < erisco> I haven't seen Wombert around. he said he was going to contact me this Wednesday but mysteriously did not
15:31 < erisco> did something spring up for him?
15:31 < impl> he might be busy with client work :<
15:32 < erisco> sounds quite possible
15:32 < erisco> so you start work tomorrow do you impl?
15:32 < impl> yar
15:32 < erisco> excited?
15:32 < impl> yeah, should be fun. not to mention having to find a place to live and a car and crap too.
15:33 < erisco> oh, its far from where you live?
15:33 < impl> yeah, about a thousand miles :P
15:33 < erisco> wow
15:33 < erisco> yeah, that is certainly not a reasonable commute
15:33 < sth> impl, look on the plus side.
15:34 < impl> indeed not. :P
15:34 < erisco> did you have to drive there for the interview?
15:34 < sth> Now you're making decent money, you don't have to buy a murder van
15:34 < impl> nah, they flew me out (and I'm flying out again today)
15:34 < impl> sth: haha
15:34 < impl> true.
15:34 < impl> but I might buy one anyway... :D
15:35 < erisco> oh, so I never heard what the company does
15:35 < sth> They make adverts
15:35 < impl> they distribute ads.
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15:36 < erisco> online yes?
15:36 < impl> yeah
15:38 < sth> There's only a few people who can own a van
15:38 < sth> Murderers, Business men,  van rental places
15:39 < impl> Jesus.
15:39 < impl> He was a carpenter.
15:39 < sth> Sure, we'll ignore the fact vans hadn't been invented
15:39 < impl> sure they had
15:39 < impl> they were just horse-drawn vans
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18:36 < _cheerios> raid check finished after like a day
18:37 < Jarda> mike check
18:41 < _cheerios> ttj, flow festival yes/no/maybe?
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19:53 < ttj> _cheerios: Flow what?
19:53 < _cheerios> white lies + lily allen ++
19:53 < ttj> Umm... I'm lost...
19:53 < sth> That's funny, I'm watching Lost.
19:54 < ttj> www.flowfestival.com?
19:55 < _cheerios> yessirree
19:55 < ttj> Ouch, it costs money. :P
19:56 < _cheerios> get your company to sponsor *laugh*
19:56 < _cheerios> not sure if i'd go two or three day 77e vs 98e
19:58 < ttj> I barely got some business-related money arranged... I think I'd be pushing my luck trying to get something like festival tickets. :P
19:58 < ttj> "Oh, I need this much money for this thing, is that ok?" "Uhmm... Maybe." "Good, since they already sent the bill..."
20:00 < ttj> Ah, actually this one is a nobrainer. I think I'll be on vacation during Flow Festival and out of town. :/
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20:18 < _cheerios> gotta love the IM indicators where you can tell if people are typing/starting to type
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06:43 < _cheerios> huomenta
06:48 < sth> Morning
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07:34 < sth> Morning
07:34 < sth> Hey Tom.
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07:49 < graste^china> huomenta
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08:01 < sth> Hey
08:17 < MikeSeth> hurrr
08:19 < splatch_> hello :)
08:20 < MikeSeth> huomenta!
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09:12 < Xylakant> huomenta
09:18 < sth> Morning
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09:47 < _cheerios> http://www.wired.com/reviews/product/pr_veyron_convertible tagged "smallpenis" in slashdot :p
09:54 < graste^china> :)
09:55 < graste^china> $2.1m
09:55 < graste^china> hm
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10:01 < CIA-56> felix * r4184 /documentation/branches/felix-build-scripts-rewrite/build/agavi-guide.xml: fix excludes for svn directories
10:14 < sth> XKCD was funny today, it makes a change
10:18  * graste^china patches his xkcd shirt
10:19 < sth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqOBR_Xbw2I
10:19 < horros> sth: STOP FLOODING!
10:19 < graste^china> :D
10:20 < _cheerios> that comic, finnish-only, that i pasted a few days ago would fit her :p
10:20 < sth> horros: stop being a retard :)
10:20 < horros> no u
10:21 < horros> _cheerios: What comic?
10:22 < _cheerios> 21:24 < _cherh> for the finns: http://www.tuubi.net/axe/hannes_sarjis.jpg
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10:41 < MikeSeth> scus me
10:41 < MikeSeth> nom nom nom
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10:56 < simoncpu> huomenta
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11:57 < ttj> Might've asked this already, can't remember, but...
11:58 < ttj> Is there some way to create a validator that could just check that an array has certain keys and then just allow the array to be passed on?
11:58 < ttj> Or do I have to always export it manually?
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12:12 < _cheerios> florence and the machine <3
12:17 < simoncpu> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2430/3690149394_103feeb53f_o.jpg
12:17 < simoncpu> hahaha
12:20 < sth> haha
12:21 < ttj> Stupid validators. I'm going to the gym. :(
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12:32 < Wombert> no?
12:32 < Wombert> nom
12:32 < Wombert> :>
12:34 < sth> ha
12:34 < sth> OS X's dictionary has an awesome example for "scum"
12:35 < sth> informal a worthless or contemptible person or group of people : you drug dealers are the scum of the earth.
12:36 < sth> I need to stop playing tap tap revenge
12:45 < simoncpu> ttj: in validate(), just do somethin like: return array_key_exists($this->getData('key'), $somethingsometihng);
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13:10 < Wombert_> [14:36] sth: I need to stop playing tap tap revenge
13:10 < Wombert_> please :p
13:11 < sth> heh
13:11 < sth> Scared it will be another game I can beat you on?
13:13 < sth> Wombert_: I can understand why the sofa wasn't last time it was slotted together
13:13 < sth> The back hook is really hard to insert
13:13 < MikeSeth> haha Wombert_
13:13 < Wombert_> word missing, I assume it's "level" :)
13:13 < Wombert_> ah
13:13 < MikeSeth> i thought you'd make interns sleep on the floor :D
13:13 < Wombert_> :p
13:14 < sth> heh
13:14 < sth> Wombert_: Yeah, I missed that word :/
13:14 < sth> On the plus side, I found English crisps in Munich!
13:14 < MikeSeth> btw i installed nude zoey mod
13:14 < Wombert_> MikeSeth: nah the couch is just for me
13:14 < Wombert_> and playing playstation
13:14 < Wombert_> we have a plasma tv now
13:14 < Wombert_> you should come visit :)
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13:14 < Wombert_> rofl MikeSeth 
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13:14 < MikeSeth> meh if i come visit i might stay :D
13:15 < Wombert> internets on trains = fail
13:15 < sth> Well duh.
13:15 < sth> It's no good for persistant connections
13:15 < MikeSeth> Wombert: werent you going to move offices?
13:15 < MikeSeth> or are I confus
13:15 < Wombert> we did
13:15 < Wombert> to the other side of the floor
13:15 < Wombert> it's very nice now
13:15 < sth> MikeSeth: We/They did
13:15 < Wombert> :)
13:15 < MikeSeth> Wombert: wait did you kick out the other guys?
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13:15 < MikeSeth> thats nice btw, more room for juice crates
13:16 < Wombert> the polish folks from the other side of the *floor* (right door in the hallway) moved out, yeh
13:16 < Wombert> so we expanded basically
13:16 < Wombert> so pashyon for instance is still on the other side
13:16 < Wombert> :)
13:17 < MikeSeth> ahh the polish folks.. the food trading company
13:17 < MikeSeth> or clothes
13:17 < MikeSeth> something like that
13:17 < sth> for the amount of time people spend in the office, we could have just desk shared :)
13:17 < MikeSeth> well actually
13:17 < MikeSeth> in my current occupation i dont favour being in office
13:17 < MikeSeth> but @ bitxtender i'd rather be there 
13:17 < Wombert> no
13:17 < Wombert> :p
13:17 < Wombert> sth: pfff
13:18 < sth> Take today for instance, 3 empty desks :P
13:19 < Wombert> orly?
13:19  * Wombert ponders
13:19 < Wombert> who is missing :p
13:19 < sth> kaos.
13:19 < Wombert> ah
13:19 < MikeSeth> domi <3
13:19 < MikeSeth> btw
13:19 < MikeSeth> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Operation_LIONCASH
13:20 < Wombert> SFW?
13:20 < sth> OM NOM NOM CRISPS!
13:20 < Wombert> or, rather, safe for the old lady sitting next to me on ze train?
13:20 < MikeSeth> yeah
13:20 < MikeSeth> >:3
13:20 < Wombert> okay so we did that
13:20 < Wombert> now
13:20 < Wombert> is it also safe for normal people's standards?
13:20 < Wombert> :DDDDD
13:20  * Wombert hugs MikeSeth 
13:20 < Wombert> -for +by
13:21 < Wombert> rofl Last Thursday
13:22 < MikeSeth> Wombert I don't get it.. why do you even care about sfw.. ze german porn industry pwns brazilian and japanese porn hands down
13:22 < MikeSeth> ze germans are supposed to be kinkiest people :P
13:24 < Wombert> any way to find out a box's ip address(es) if there is no ifconfig? :p
13:24 < Wombert> rofl MikeSeth 
13:24 < MikeSeth> Wombert: lynx -dump www.whatismyip.org
13:25 < Wombert> rofl
13:25 < Wombert> you think there is lynx, but no ifconfig, yeh?
13:25 < Wombert> xD
13:25 < MikeSeth> what kinda box
13:26 < sth> I'd guess his laptop
13:26 < Wombert> no
13:27 < MikeSeth> <MikeSeth> what kinda box
13:28 < Wombert> dunno
13:28 < sth> linux?
13:28 < sth> windows?
13:28 < Wombert> I had the keyboard for a minute, it had no ifconfig, I was like "wtf, what is this shit" and handed it back
13:28 < Wombert> linux
13:28 < sth> You have to be a super user to use ifconfig on linux
13:28 < sth> It's there, but you need to be root
13:29 < MikeSeth> actually the box might be iproute2 only
13:29 < MikeSeth> /sbin/ip a a
13:29 < MikeSeth> err
13:29 < MikeSeth> /sbin/ip a
13:29 < Wombert> it wasn't there :<
13:29 < MikeSeth> can't happen
13:29 < Wombert> lies
13:29 < MikeSeth> uname -a, which kernel version?
13:30 < Wombert> florian has no interents right now
13:30 < MikeSeth> do this
13:30 < MikeSeth> ls /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf
13:30 < Wombert> I can't :P
13:30 < Wombert> we're on a train
13:30 < Wombert> ok
13:30 < MikeSeth> wah
13:30 < Wombert> actually, I might not be able to
13:30 < MikeSeth> what kinda fubar box is this
13:31 < Wombert> we're reaching frankfurt and he has to leave for an appointment
13:31 < sth> Wombert: cat /proc/net/arp lists an IP
13:31 < sth> as does arp -a
13:32  * MikeSeth shrugs
13:32 < MikeSeth> i dont have problems like this on a train
13:32 < MikeSeth> then again israeli train rides are 1hr max and everything is covered by cell antennas
13:32 < Wombert> yeah but israel is 10 square kikometers
13:32 < Wombert> and trains go 50kmh
13:33 < Wombert> :)
13:33 < MikeSeth> hahahahha
13:33 < MikeSeth> kikometers ahahahaha
13:33 < Wombert> I'm doing 300kph in the middle of nowhere
13:33 < MikeSeth> i oughta memorize dat
13:33 < Wombert> ah fu
13:33 < Wombert> :p
13:33 < Wombert> must change trains
13:33 < Wombert> laters
13:34 < MikeSeth> gg
13:34 < sth> See you at 7:09 :P
13:35 < MikeSeth> o,g ahahaha
13:36 < MikeSeth> trains are always on time? ahaha
13:36 < MikeSeth> well actually.. back when the israeli egged company was owned by germans buses were always on time too
13:36 < MikeSeth> then they nationalized it
13:36 < MikeSeth> fail ensued
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13:50 < sth> How do I render a form using Agavi, I have my Input view, but how do I make it display it?
13:51 < MikeSeth> put it in the template
13:51 < MikeSeth> templates/ActionInputView.class.php
13:52 < sth> Yeah, I have the form code in the template, the issue I have is the InputView isn't displaying, it's defaulting to the Success view
13:53 < MikeSeth> your action's execute method is supposed to return a view name
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13:54 < Jarda> return 'Input';
13:54 < sth> I see it
13:54 < sth> thnks
13:54 < Jarda> from action
13:54 < sth> Thanks.
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13:55 < sth> I didn't expect something like that to be connected to the action
13:55 < MikeSeth> sth: that's completely reasonable, the action determines which view to appoint
13:56 < MikeSeth> actions + views = primitive state machine
13:56 < Wombert> wat
13:56 < Wombert> of course :p
13:56 < Wombert> it needs to define which view to delegate presentation/behavior to
13:57 < Wombert> ticket inspectors seem to be afraid of me today
13:57 < Wombert> second ICE I'm on and they walked past me again when asking people for tickets
13:57 < Wombert> oh wait she's not a ticket inspector
13:57 < MikeSeth> ...
13:58 < Wombert> just a very retarded woman doing a survey
13:58 < MikeSeth> THE COMPUTER SAYS NO.
13:58 < Wombert> oh noes the train wheels are making stupid noises
13:58 < Wombert> for sure we will derail and crash in a ball of fire
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13:58 < Rayne> wombert rides crazy trainz?
13:59 < MikeSeth> in before soveit russia
13:59 < Wombert> in soviet russia, train rides you
13:59 < Rayne> haha
13:59  * graste^china thinks, that mac users are probably excluded from the survey (by default!)
14:00 < Wombert> btw graste
14:00 < Wombert> what are you doing in china
14:00 < graste^china> i'm in germany
14:00 < graste^china> it just feels like it
14:00 < Wombert> oh
14:00 < Wombert> zensursula
14:00 < Wombert> I see what you did there
14:00 < graste^china> indeed
14:00 < Wombert> MikeSeth: did you hear about our internet filtering
14:00 < Wombert> it's almost like iran here
14:00 < Wombert> all in the name of fighting child porn
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14:01 < Wombert> I joined the pirate party because I was so annoyed :p
14:01 < graste^iranianch> argh
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14:01 < Seldaek> they should just kill children
14:01 < Seldaek> it would solve the problem, no more temptation
14:02 < sth> Seldaek: win/win :P
14:02 < Rayne> lol :A
14:02 < sth> Although, I remember a war started because of something similar.
14:02 < Seldaek> nah people killing other people always ends up well :p
14:02 < sth> Oh awesome.
14:03 < sth> should I get in my de lorean and kill Wombert at aged 12? :P
14:03 < MikeSeth> Wombert: well with the exception of you being put to death for saying shit on msn, yeah
14:04 < sth> TextMate's keyboard shortcuts need fixing
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14:05 < Wombert> MikeSeth: literally "shit"? :p
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14:06 < sth> ugh, the weather can't make up it's mind, it's like the UK's weather
14:06 < Seldaek> I wonder if it works like the good old norton internet security fuckup where it disconnected the users from irc when you said trojan on a channel
14:06 < sth> Rain -> Sun -> Rain (repeat)
14:06 < Seldaek> i.e. you can get any iranian killed by saying shit to him on msn
14:06 < Seldaek> you tweet 'shit' and it's a genocide
14:06 < Wombert> loool
14:07 < Wombert> you might be belgian, Seldaek, but you're actually funny sometimes
14:07 < Wombert> :>>>
14:07 < Seldaek> thank you germanz
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14:11 < Wombert> oww
14:11 < Wombert> t-mobile hotspot
14:11 < Wombert> canhas
14:12 < sth> I swear I can feel rain sitting at my desk
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14:14 < Wombert_> or maybe not
14:15 < Wombert_> sth: is it cold?
14:15 < Wombert_> open the windows if yes
14:15 < Wombert_> so ze office cools down
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14:17 < justanothercoder> any best practices or examples that show how to use ajax in an agavi app, while letting it degrade gracefully in absence of js?
14:18 < Wombert_> justanothercoder: there is an example in the sample app
14:18 < Wombert_> routing.xml
14:18 < Wombert_> it switches to "json" as the output type if the Accept: header contains "application/json"
14:18 < Wombert_> which is what most ajax frameworks send these days
14:18 < Wombert_> (you could also check for X-Requested-With: XMLHttpRequest)
14:19 < justanothercoder> do you have a recommendation for an ajax framework, i haven't been using any?
14:19 < Wombert_> use the normal urls from the links, with unobtrusive js, and you're all set
14:19 < MikeSeth> I use jquery
14:19 < MikeSeth> nice results so far
14:19 < Wombert_> jquery is good I think, but it's made by john resig
14:19 < Wombert_> which makes it a bit fail
14:19 < MikeSeth> idk it works
14:20 < Wombert_> mootools of course
14:20 < Wombert_> I really can't say; I don't do enough client-side development
14:20 < MikeSeth> man the moo conspiracy has its roots EVERYWHERE
14:20 < MikeSeth> Wombert: you better be happy about it
14:20 < Wombert_> actually, I don't do much progrmaming at all these days
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14:20 < Wombert_> just consultings and srs bsns
14:21 < Wombert_> I walk in and say
14:21 < Wombert_> "your problems seem to be layer 8 related" and leave again
14:21 < justanothercoder> i have a multipage user registration forms. stage 1, stage 2 etc, i navigate between the pages via ajax, any advice on things i should note?
14:21 < Wombert_> it's a convenient job
14:21 < Wombert_> justanothercoder: make it one action
14:21 < Wombert_> use the routing to re-wire request methods
14:21 < Wombert_> so it goes to "stage1", "stage2" etc
14:22 < Wombert_> I don't have an example right now, but I'm sure others do
14:22 < MikeSeth> executeStage1() executeStage2() etc
14:22 < Wombert_> MikeSeth knows, apparently
14:22 < MikeSeth> or if its REALLY intricate, use subactions
14:22 < MikeSeth> Wombert_: duh, <route .... method="stage1">
14:22 < Wombert_> basically yes
14:23 < Wombert_> aschaffenburg
14:23 < justanothercoder> cool. thanks for the tips
14:23 < Wombert_> lets see if my neighbors with their reservations arrive
14:23 < Wombert_> for sure they're annoying old people
14:23 < Wombert_> justanothercoder: stay here, idle a bit, follow discussions and toss in your questions if you like :)
14:24 < justanothercoder> yep i check in here once a while, just lurk though, i don't know enough to add anything meaningful yet :)
14:24 < Wombert_> cool :)
14:25 < Wombert_> where are you from?
14:25 < justanothercoder> India :D
14:25 < Wombert_> (:
14:25 < Wombert_> working with shoan by any chance?
14:25 < justanothercoder> and no , i don' work in tech support
14:25 < justanothercoder> lol
14:26 < justanothercoder> nope.though i do know that he is from India too 
14:27 < MikeSeth> ahahahaha
14:27 < MikeSeth> there's now a stigma about indians doing tech support?
14:28 < justanothercoder> no, thats a stereotype i guess, that and running grocery stores or something
14:28 < Wombert_> rofl
14:28 < Wombert_> :>
14:28 < justanothercoder> lol
14:28 < Wombert_> "welcome to dell computer, sir"
14:28 < Wombert_> :>>>
14:28  * Wombert_ hugs india
14:28 < justanothercoder> crazy place
14:28 < justanothercoder> though
14:28 < sth> ISPs in the UK are bad for outsourcing
14:29 < justanothercoder> sth : why is that?
14:30 < sth> It's not the outsourcing that's the issue, it's the fact the ISPs don't trust the outsourced companies with their data
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14:30 < sth> So everytime you phone up, you get "Sorry, we can't do that, a rep will have to phone you back"
14:30 < Wombert_> duh 2G
14:30 < justanothercoder> i guess, but the home department been losing data so frequently, it kinda seems funny
14:31  * sth does the anti-rain dance
14:33 < MikeSeth> meh
14:33 < MikeSeth> the entire national identity database for israel is available on torrents
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14:34 < justanothercoder> and they think catching a pic of the future MI6 chief in swimming trunks on facebook was a big issue!
14:35 < Seldaek> MikeSeth: they just leaked it to have a reason to nuke iran saying "they stoled it zomg" :p
14:35 < justanothercoder> rofl
14:35 < justanothercoder> Seldaek : you're wrong. they don't need a reason :P 
14:35 < MikeSeth> no one is going to nuke iran
14:36 < MikeSeth> all this warmongering talk about saudi arabia, usa and turkey helping out israel in strike on iran is to further the divide between the iranian protesters and the illegitimate ayatollah regime
14:36 < justanothercoder> they are probably going to do a air raid like on the syrian reactor , if ever the threat arises
14:36 < MikeSeth> justanothercoder: I dont think so
14:37 < MikeSeth> by the way, israel has been VERY QUIET about the syrian installation we bombed last year
14:37 < MikeSeth> and ever since then syria's been more or less nice 
14:37 < justanothercoder> its funny that it was US that helped throw a democratic govt back in the 50s or something
14:37 < MikeSeth> justanothercoder: yeah oil interests
14:38 < MikeSeth> by the way
14:38 < justanothercoder> petrodollar warfare
14:38 < MikeSeth> even though everyone knows about the syrian installation bombing, most people dont know what happened to the guy who ran it
14:38 < MikeSeth> he got shot
14:38 < justanothercoder> yes the guy who allegedly leaked the info
14:38 < justanothercoder> for being a spy
14:39 < MikeSeth> no, the guy who RAN the syrian project
14:39 < MikeSeth> IDF sent a sub with special ops crew to lebanon 
14:39 < MikeSeth> they took him out with a sniper shot
14:39 < MikeSeth> when he was sunbathing on a balcony
14:40 < justanothercoder> if thats not awesome, i dont know what is
14:40 < _cheerios> http://blogs.tedneward.com/content/binary/WindowsLiveWriter/NOWyouknowwhyyouwanttolearnHaskell_984/foldleft_beer_2.png
14:40 < MikeSeth> well we here consider it a necessary evil, not awesome
14:40 < MikeSeth> shit costs a lot of money
14:41 < justanothercoder> i guess. gaza isn't a fun place either
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14:42 < MikeSeth> gaza was nice until hamas took over and fucked it up
14:43 < reza2> hi there
14:43 < reza2> i want to know about built in validator in agavi
14:43 < reza2> <validator class="number" name="post">
14:43 < reza2> what is th e class list
14:43 < reza2> ?
14:43 < justanothercoder> random factoid : did you know, the alleged 'father of our nation' was against the creation of israel, he thought they should just assimilate where they were and not get a separate country by driving palestinians out
14:44 < MikeSeth> reza2: it's either a validator class name (e.g. XXXYYYValidator) or a short string for default validators
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14:44 < MikeSeth> justanothercoder: who, ghandi?
14:44 < justanothercoder> yeah
14:44 < justanothercoder> thats the dude
14:44 < reza2> mike what kind of validator is exist in agavi 
14:44 < reza2> ?
14:44 < reza2> is email exist
14:45 < MikeSeth> reza2: a whole bunch o fthem
14:45 < reza2> or alphanumeric
14:45 < MikeSeth> umm yeah i think so
14:45 < reza2> ok
14:45 < reza2> where can i see the list
14:45 < reza2> ?
14:45 < MikeSeth> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/validator
14:45 < MikeSeth> "string" => AgaviStringValidator
14:46 < MikeSeth> "number" => AgaviNumberValidator
14:46 < MikeSeth> etc
14:46 < reza2> ok thanks mike 
14:46 < MikeSeth> for alphanumeric you probably want regex
14:46 < reza2> i find them 
14:46 < MikeSeth> justanothercoder: ghandi actually proposed that jews should sacrifice themselves 
14:47 < reza2> ok regex is avalable then i can validate every thind 
14:47 < MikeSeth> i find the notion of non-violence abhoring
14:47 < reza2> :)
14:47 < MikeSeth> reza2: you can always write a custom/specialized validator
14:47 < justanothercoder> MikeSeth: me too. he was a real nutcase
14:47 < MikeSeth> by the way validators have another special function, they can EXPORT data
14:47 < reza2> i wrote some validator and it work fine
14:47 < MikeSeth> so for example if you have an action that displays a blog post
14:48 < reza2> but i want to test bult
14:48 < MikeSeth> and you pass it an argument named post_id
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14:48 < reza2> yes its fantastic 
14:48 < reza2> we can write custom validator and there is some built in validator
14:48 < reza2> :)
14:48 < MikeSeth> then you can write a validator that takes post_id and replaces it with post contents retrieved from database
14:49 < reza2> yes it's possible
14:49 < reza2> thanks mike for your help
14:49 < reza2> is the class diagram exist
14:49 < reza2> for agavi?
14:50 < reza2> did ipidocs update ?
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14:52 < reza2> thnks mike
14:52 < reza2> let's do job with agavi
14:52 < reza2> :)
14:52 < reza2> bye
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14:59 < graste> ^^
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15:04 < MikeSeth> who are all these happy people
15:05 < sth> No idea
15:05 < sth> They obviously don't work for a living.
15:05 < graste> ^^
15:06 < justanothercoder> i'm just a ganja farmer :D
15:06 < graste> for a living?
15:06 < graste> ^^
15:07 < justanothercoder> i wish ;)
15:07 < justanothercoder> or maybe not, this ain't amsterdam
15:07 < graste> :)
15:08 < justanothercoder> maybe if texas secedes and ron paul gets elected. *sigh*
15:11 < MikeSeth> wahahaha ron paul
15:11 < MikeSeth> i love that guy
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15:11 < MikeSeth> too bad he has past associations and an army of quack medicine fans behind him
15:12 < justanothercoder> yeah he makes a lot of sense, especially his economic policies, but other issues like being pro-life , i think i don't agree with him
15:14 < MikeSeth> well he is actually decent in his pro-life position
15:14 < justanothercoder> yeah he wants to let the states decide
15:14 < MikeSeth> since he says that his personal beliefs are irrelevant and certainly there should be no federal law regulation abortions
15:14 < justanothercoder> which is a pretty good thing
15:14 < justanothercoder> its a constitutional thing i guess
15:14 < justanothercoder> i like the Jeffersonians 
15:15 < MikeSeth> usa never figured out that the New Deal basically fucked them
15:15 < MikeSeth> too bafd
15:15 < justanothercoder> yeah true. maybe if we could go back to the gold standard
15:15 < justanothercoder> and China thinks Yuan is going to replace the $
15:16 < MikeSeth> hahahahah good luck with that
15:17 < justanothercoder> yeah my thoughts exactly. lol
15:19 < horros> http://www.myconfinedspace.com/?attachment_id=83672
15:19 < horros> hahaha
15:20 < horros> Iä Iä Cthulhu ftagn!
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15:42 < _cherh> heh. girl who is trying to get people to sign up for the local gym picked me up from all the people passing by in the mall for the second time (last time like friday). i must be looking really out of shape.
15:42 < sth> Time to sign up I guess
15:42 < _cherh> thing is, i'm already a member
15:42 < justanothercoder> the perks of programming :)
15:43 < graste> :)
15:43 < _cherh> i asked if she's trying to ask me out, which she replied "certainly not"
15:43 < justanothercoder> ouch. lol
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15:58 < erisco> hello
15:58 < erisco> hi Wombert
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16:15 < Wombert> heh _cherh 
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16:38  * MikeSeth examines old code
16:38 < MikeSeth>                 $jqg->p('subgrid', true)->p('subGridUrl', 'lulz')->p('subGridModel', $columns);
16:38 < MikeSeth> O RLY
16:40 < sth> That makes perfect sense
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16:42 < MikeSeth> this is what happens when you smoke lebanese hash
16:42  * MikeSeth waves his fist at impl
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17:21 < _cherh> hehe mike
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17:36 < CIA-56> felix * r4185 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/ (3815 files in 194 dirs): 
17:36 < CIA-56> merging the changes from [4165:4184/branches/felix-build-scripts-rewrite]
17:36 < CIA-56> fixes #1115
17:37 < CIA-56> felix * r4186 /documentation/branches/felix-build-scripts-rewrite/: removing unused branch, refs #1115
17:57 < jpdery> is it possible to set error message associated to the current locale in a validator xml file ?
17:57 < jpdery> example :
17:57 < jpdery> <error for="something" locale="en_CA">The error message</error>
17:57 < jpdery> <error for="something" locale="fr_CA">Le message d'erreur</error
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18:04 < jpdery> anyone ?
18:07 < graste> <validator ... translation_domain="registration.errors">
18:10 < jpdery> but in that case I have to put my translated error messages into another file
18:10 < jpdery> right ?
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18:12 < graste> yes, you use translation.xml in you app/config dir
18:12 < Jarda> can I get the environment without context somehow? I mean, I would like to know in which environment I am in config.php
18:13 < graste> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#translation_0
18:13 < graste> @jpdery
18:13 < jpdery> :S I was hoping there were a way to put all my validator error message inside the validator file
18:13 < jpdery> but ty for your help
18:15 < graste> why would you want to do that? if you need to support another language for your application you just put another language part in translation.xml and translate them (including the validation errors)
18:16 < graste> so all your translations are handled by the translation manager in translation.xml (in this simple case)
18:18 < _cherh> ahaha http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/5757194/Workers-have-daily-smile-scans.html
18:21 < graste> o_O
18:24 < Jarda> hmm, I would like to throw an exception in my error handler, how can I get agavi to catch that..
18:24 < Jarda> now I get Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'Exception' with message
18:25 < graste> what do you want to do and why?
18:26 < Jarda> I would like to have a nice shiny exception template on development env to notice all those E_NOTICE things which easily get lost in html
18:27 < Jarda> like <a href="<?php echo $t['url'];?>">Link</a> would get something like "Undefined index: url in.." and I wouldn't notice
18:27 < graste> <output_type exception_template="...">
18:28 < Jarda> I would like to throw an exception from my error handler
18:28 < Jarda> graste: exception templates do work, if I do "throw new Exception("foo");" from a view, I get the exception template
18:30 < Jarda> but If i set in my error handler "throw new Exception" I get http://codepad.org/MhYiNVwu
18:33 < jpdery> graste: when a project is in development, I'm not yet sure the error messages in english are correctly spelled. I'm annoyed when I have to replace the "name" string in multiple files for each language used.
18:34 < Jarda> well, ob_get_clean(); echo $errmsg; exit; works for now..
18:36 < graste> hm, did you try to use a simple string as error message and define the translation for each language including english? so you would only have to make changes to the translation.xml
18:39 < jpdery> I agree that would be better ....
18:39 < jpdery> :)
18:46 < graste> .
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19:06 < sth> Hai
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20:05 < graste> http://giant.pourri.ch/lolpix/Programming%20Languages.png
20:06 < graste> lisp <:
20:07 < _cherh> i gave the pic disdain until the haskell one saved it
20:07 < graste> =)
20:08  * graste dislikes the delphi pic ;)
20:35 < _cherh> tired 'n cant get nothing done, guess its time to go to sleep and then back to work :dejavu
20:39 < graste> you're trapped in a loop
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20:56 < CIA-56> felix * r4187 /documentation/trunk/stages/: removing staging apps for backmerge, somehow svn mucks up if I don't
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21:03 < _cherh> kernel: [128558.118357] TCP(wget:26956): Application bug, race in MSG_PEEK.
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02:57 < luke`> huomenta
02:59 < erisco> luke`, hey
03:00 < luke`> hey erisco 
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06:54 < codecop> huomenta
06:54 < codecop> jow
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07:02 < ttj> Ugh...
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07:03 < ttj> I have a validator that takes an array (e.g. foo = array(0=>array('a'=>'a', 'b'=>'b'), 1=>array('a'=>'c', 'b'=>'d'))) and then exports it.
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07:04 < ttj> For some odd reason I lose the content of foo[0] but get foo[1].
07:04 < ttj> Anyone encountered anything similar? Or am I just doing it Wrong?-)
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07:05 < ttj> Also, is anyone else having trouble connecting to agavi.org?
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07:16 < ttj> Ok, seems that if I have foo = array(1=>array(...), 2=>array(...)), the validation stuff works.
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07:54 < graste> huomenta
07:55 < sth> Morning
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07:58 < _cheerios> huomenta
07:58 < _cheerios> heh @ "DON'T USE THE SVN VERSION! IT'S OLD AND BUGGY! DOWNLOAD THE LATEST ZIP FILE"
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08:27 < kaos|work> OMG
08:27 < kaos|work> Xylakant killed the server tonight :P
08:27 < Xylakant> :)
08:28 < Xylakant> it was a single commit
08:28 < kaos|work> see, you should have done many ;)
08:30 < sth> You would have said the opposite no matter what he said "Oh it was only 10 commits" "Oh you should have only done one"
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08:38 < Jarda> I would like to do something like this in my autoload.xml <xi:include href="%my-ext-xml-path%/more_autoloads.xml" xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" />
08:38 < Jarda> but all I get is Fatal error: Class 'AgaviSettingConfigHandler' not found in
08:39 < Jarda> I get the same also with <xi:include href="more_autoloads.xml"
08:43 < luke`_> I am trying to read a parameter from the url using routing. I have this in my routing.xml http://pastebin.com/m4fbe08c8 but I can't get the value of name_list when doing $rd->getParameters() in executeRead()
08:43 < Jarda> do you validate it?
08:44 < Jarda> modules/Gallery/validate/Category.xml
08:44 < Jarda> (and <validators>, not <validators method="write">)
08:45 < Jarda> no, modules/Gallery/Category/validate/Display.xml
08:45 < Jarda> sorry
08:45 < luke`_> I don't
08:45 < Jarda> you should
08:46 < luke`_> let me try that
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08:55 < E_mE_> Huomebt
08:56 < E_mE_> Huomenta*
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09:01 < sth> Bloody Munich. It's pissing it down
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09:31 < horros> ahaha
09:31 < Jarda> god damn
09:32 < horros> for us finns: http://www.oulunseurakunnat.fi/uutiset//5/elossa_fi_antaa_kirkolle_uutta_ilmetta
09:32 < Jarda> why doesn't this work
09:32 < horros> Nice logo.
09:32 < horros> :D :D
09:33 < sth> Finns sucl
09:33 < sth> suck*
09:34 < sth> Apparently not as much as my English at the moment
09:36 < Jarda> stupid agavi. xi:include works great in settings.xml
09:36 < Jarda> but not in autoload.xml
09:37 < kaos|work> Jarda: this is nonsense
09:37 < Xylakant> Jarda: did you declare the namespace?
09:37 < Xylakant> xi:include is an xml feature and works just fine in all xml configs 
09:39 < Jarda> <ae:configuration xmlns="http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/autoload/1.0" xmlns:ae="http://agavi.org/agavi/config/global/envelope/1.0"><autoload..>
09:39 < Jarda> in my included file
09:41 < kaos|work> Jarda: paste your entire file to some paste service pls
09:44 < Jarda> full autoload or the included file?
09:44 < kaos|work> autoload
09:46 < Jarda> well, it's just a normal autoload file, with <ae:configuration><autoload>skljkl</autoload><xi:include href="other_autoload.xml" />
09:47 < Jarda> I would not want to paste those files..
09:47 < kaos|work> and do you have the xi namespace declared ?
09:47 < Jarda> yeah, with xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"
09:48 < Jarda> and this has something to do with agavi caching, as far as I can tell.. Fatal error: Class 'AgaviSettingConfigHandler' not found in D:\....\agavi\config\AgaviConfigCache.class.php on line 206
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09:48 < Jarda> (I don't have caching enabled though)
09:48 < Xylakant> Jarda, please paste the file
09:48 < Jarda> and I have deleted app/cache/config
09:48 < Xylakant> otherwise it's all guesswork
09:49 < Xylakant> I'm training hard but I still haven't mastered readings the magic crystal ball
09:50 < Jarda> a sec..
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09:51 < Jarda> http://codepad.org/ce8OSIip
09:51 < Jarda> the thing really bugs me, is that I randomly get the not found error if I set the href=" to something bogus
09:51 < Xylakant> that's your autoload file or the included file?
09:51 < Jarda> both..
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09:56 < Xylakant> and it does work if you don't use the include?
09:57 < Jarda> yeah
09:59 < Xylakant> well, i get this error
09:59 < Xylakant> atal error: Validation of configuration file "/Users/fgilcher/Sites/factsheetslive/app/config/autoload.xml" failed: XML Schema validation of configuration file "/Users/fgilcher/Sites/factsheetslive/app/config/autoload.xml" failed: XML Schema validation with "/Users/fgilcher/Sites/factsheetslive/libs/agavi/config/xsd/autoload.xsd" failed due to the following error: Line 38: Element '{http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/autoload/1.0}autoloads': This
09:59 < Xylakant> You're including an invalid document part
10:01 < Xylakant> if i use something like this
10:01 < Xylakant> 		<xi:include href="%core.config_dir%/ezcomponents.xml" xpointer="xmlns(aa=http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/autoload/1.0)  xpointer(/aa:autoloads/*)"/>
10:01 < Xylakant> the config handler complains about an unloadable class, which is fine
10:01 < Jarda> I have already tried to include outside ae:configurations with <ae:configurations> in included file
10:01 < Jarda> <ae:configuration
10:01 < Jarda> I mean
10:01 < Xylakant> that's what I'd do
10:02 < Xylakant> the included file should be the same structure as the including file just for consistency
10:02 < Jarda> all I get is Fatal error: Class 'AgaviSettingConfigHandler' not found in agavi\config\AgaviConfigCache.class.php on line 206
10:02 < Jarda> no validation incidents or anything..
10:02 < Xylakant> however, the xpointer expression must point to the proper document part
10:03 < Xylakant> Jarda: which agavi version are you using?
10:03 < Jarda> latest 1.0 branch
10:03 < Jarda> 1.0.2-dev?
10:04 < Xylakant> hmm
10:05 < Xylakant> in the head of the 1.0 branch, line 206 is a closing bracket
10:05 < Xylakant> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php#L206
10:08 < Jarda> yeah, the same on my filesystem..
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10:09 < Wombert> canhas pastied configs please
10:10 < Jarda>  http://codepad.org/ce8OSIip
10:10 < sth> Wombert: my box of British food arrived.
10:10 < Wombert> sth: my sincere apologies
10:10  * Wombert is waiting for the rain to stop
10:10 < sth> I has starburst with lime 
10:10 < Wombert> owwww
10:10 < Wombert> nomnom
10:10 < sth> It's a rather small bag
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10:11 < sth> 215g
10:11 < sth> ours only have 4 flavours apparently
10:11 < sth> Strawberry, Lime, Orange & Blackcurrent
10:12 < Jarda> Wombert: please help me :)
10:12 < sth> Oh wait, they've changed them
10:12 < sth> It's lemon and lime :(
10:13 < Wombert> you cannot mix singular and plural
10:13 < Jarda> Wombert: actually I've tried very very many combinations..
10:13 < Wombert> <xi:include href="%core.config_dir%/ezcomponents.xml" xpointer="xmlns(aa=http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/autoload/1.0)  xpointer(/aa:autoloads/*)"/> should work
10:14 < Wombert> does anyone have the logs of this channel in irssi formatß
10:14 < Wombert> ttj maybe?
10:14 < sth> I do
10:14 < Wombert> http://www.agavi.org/irclogs/agavi-200907.log is cut off at the end
10:14 < Wombert> were you online all the time?
10:14 < Wombert> through a bouncer?
10:14 < sth> yup
10:14 < Wombert> good
10:14 < sth> I stay connected 24/7
10:15 < Jarda> ok, now I'm getting confused.. I didn't do anything and it started working
10:15 < kaos|work> gimme gimme gimme
10:15 < Wombert> can you email the missing ones to kaos|work, sth?
10:15 < Wombert> :)
10:15 < Jarda> I still have </ae:configuration><xi:include href="foo" /> and foo is <ae:configuration [namespaces]><autoload>... and just 5mins ago it didn't work
10:15 < Wombert> :p
10:15 < sth> http://thulbourn.com/agavi.txt
10:15 < Jarda> something odd with caching..
10:16 < Jarda> well, maybe I just blame windows
10:16 < Jarda> thanks anyway..
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10:17 < sth> Wow, my logs go back to April
10:18 < Jarda> actually all I did do, Is that I opened the AgaviConfigCache -file :D
10:18 < sth> I don't like rain :(
10:18 < sth> I won't be able to get lunch until it stops
10:20 < Jarda> yeah, it must have updated some kind of cache, as the line number altered (as I made a error by purpose in the xml file)
10:21 < v-dogg> it just started to rain here too
10:21 < v-dogg> oh well, I just have to post-pone my jog and do some work instead
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11:46 < kaos|work> can someone w/ 5.3 pls confirm that
11:47 < kaos|work> php -r "\$d = DateTime::createFromFormat('Y-m-d H:i:s.u', '2008-01-06 12:32:30.5655'); echo PHP_EOL . \$d->format('Y-m-d H:i:s.u') . PHP_EOL;" results in a negative microsecond value ?
11:47 < justanothercoder> its raining here too now! thunderstorms
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11:51 < saracen> kaos|work: http://pastebin.com/m2c7ef3c9
11:51 < MikeSeth> RAINING!!!!
11:51 < MikeSeth> bastards
11:52 < MikeSeth> its fucking 40c here
11:52 < MikeSeth> and high humidity
11:54  * macen bought an air cooler
11:54 < macen> works best on hot dry days 
11:54 < macen> tis win
11:54 < macen> (yes, we have heat as well in the uk)
11:55 < v-dogg> lies
11:55 < v-dogg> nothing but cold rainy days
11:55 < justanothercoder> well it was 44C here last month i think
11:56 < kaos|work> saracen: thx, same result as here then
11:56 < justanothercoder> high humidity and hot weather , suckiest thing ever!
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12:23 < sth> mm lime starburst
12:24 < saracen> SURE
12:27 < sth> We haz them
12:27 < sth> My mum sent me a bag
12:31 < kaos|work> candy mum is candy
12:33 < sth> That makes no sense.
12:33 < sth> kaos|work: You should hand back the starburst for that act of stupidity :)
12:33 < kaos|work> sth: i know that it makes no sense
12:33 < kaos|work> why do you think i wrote this ? :P
12:34 < sth> See my previous comment about acts of stupidity
12:34 < kaos|work> and watch the flying starburst
12:34 < saracen> sth: Can you remember what starburst used to be called? I've forgotten =(
12:34 < sth> opel fruit
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12:35 < sth> I still call them Opel Fruits
12:35 < saracen> Didnt the mascot used to be a dinosaur or something?
12:36 < sth> No idea
12:39 < sth> They're all gone :(
12:39 < sth> Time to open the apple pies which have been destroyed in the mail
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12:52 < CIA-56> david * r4189 /trunk/test/tests/unit/config/AgaviConfigTest.php: another test for AgaviConfig::fromArray() to make sure numeric keys are reindexed properly
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12:57  * MikeSeth pets kaos|work 
12:57 < MikeSeth> this man has good shit
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12:57 < jpdery> morning
12:58 < MikeSeth> o hai
12:58 < MikeSeth> new here? :P
12:58 < sth> This office has the worst ringtones
12:58 < sth> Hey Mike
12:58 < MikeSeth> sup sth
12:58 < sth> Not much, you?
12:59 < kaos|work> MikeSeth: hey :)
12:59 < kaos|work> how are you ?
12:59 < MikeSeth> rewriting a report in one of my agavi apps
12:59 < MikeSeth> kaos|work: fine, too hot though.. you?
12:59 < kaos|work> ah, can't complain
12:59 < MikeSeth> man the awesome shit you can do with Agavi
12:59 < kaos|work> little to hot for me too the last week :)
13:00 < kaos|work> but now it's 19c
13:00 < kaos|work> which is nice
13:00 < jpdery> 19c is a little cold I think ...
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13:00 < MikeSeth> i wrote an application proxy, on the front end it's an API for our local apps, on the other it's a screenscraper + cache talking to vendor html backend
13:00 < MikeSeth> i wanna see them cakers do THAT 
13:00 < MikeSeth> lol
13:01 < kaos|work> MikeSeth: :]]]
13:01 < MikeSeth> kaos|work: you werent with us @ PHPLondon '08 were you?
13:02 < MikeSeth> me: can YOUR framework handle 3 different templating engines, 5 different languages *AND* 3 separate APIs in the same application?
13:02 < MikeSeth> cake guy: ...
13:02 < MikeSeth> lol
13:02 < jpdery> When you called cakephp/rail/... criminals ?
13:02  * MikeSeth gloats profusely
13:02 < MikeSeth> jpdery: well not only then, but yes :D
13:03 < jpdery> hehe :P
13:03 < MikeSeth> I'm not nice to other people, I know :|
13:03 < jpdery> good old time :P
13:03 < MikeSeth> too bad the polacks that I got drunk with didnt show up
13:03 < MikeSeth> such nice guys
13:03 < MikeSeth> except for tequila & lime fashion arguments..
13:04 < jpdery> didnt go so well ?
13:04 < jpdery> tequila & lime fashion arguments....
13:05 < MikeSeth> no, just that the polacks on the one side and the catholic guy on the other side started arguing which was the proper way to lick lime salt 
13:05 < MikeSeth> polacks said youre supposed to put the salt on your left arm
13:05 < jpdery> lawl
13:05 < MikeSeth> the catholic said it was supposed to be your right hand
13:05 < MikeSeth> i said fuck you all and put it on both :D
13:05 < jpdery> hahaha
13:08 < jpdery> MikeSeth: is there a proper tutorial somewhere on the best way to make an api (well with agavi)
13:09 < MikeSeth> jpdery: there isn't ever a best way.. and afaik there's no separate tutorial for that, but the sample app and the unofficial faq have some examples imo
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15:06 < erisco> good morning
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16:24  * macen humps anonymous functions 
16:24 < macen> how to use these now :>
16:24 < macen> heh
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16:27 < erisco> macen, never used closures before? they are wonderful little things
16:27 < macen> noo
16:27 < macen> looking forward to better coding standards 
16:27 < erisco> hahaha
16:27 < macen> php is so fail :/
16:28 < erisco> php is ugly and everyone knows it and the competent users of it have to accept the fact
16:28 < macen> indeed
16:29 < macen> try getting an image that "sells" php
16:29 < macen> then try to get one that "sells" any other open source technology
16:29 < macen> i think this sums up php
16:30  * macen faps agavi download page
16:30 < macen> sexy:s
16:30 < erisco> you have quite a software fetish
16:30 < macen> quite
16:30 < erisco> humping closures and fapping to the agavi download page?
16:31 < macen> ya
16:31 < macen> it screenshots quite well, i though
16:31 < macen> t
16:31 < erisco> there are other ways to express your approval
16:31 < macen> well...
16:31 < macen> like what?
16:31 < macen> images are useful for presentations :D
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16:33 < erisco> no, I meant other ways than having sex with it
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16:37 < macen> oh
16:37 < macen> this is how i got into trouble the last time
16:37 < macen> doh
16:37 < erisco> how did you highlight last?
16:37 < macen> magic
16:37 < erisco> I did not know you could do stuff like that on IRC
16:37 < macen> (cmd+I)
16:37 < macen> ya
16:37 < macen> agavi
16:38 < macen> etc
16:38 < Jarda> foo
16:38 < erisco> ctrl+i just detached the channel window from the server window
16:38 < erisco> that didn't help
16:38 < erisco> but I use xchat, so
16:38 < erisco> no one ever uses the ability to change the appearance of the font... why?
16:39  * macen Colloquy 
16:39 < macen> there is a nice GUI colour window
16:39 < macen> suppose its for setting channel topics on Efnet ;)
16:40 < Jarda> irssi <3
16:40 < macen> you have to right click the input area in xchat
16:40 < macen> for bold etc
16:45 < erisco> ‏interesting
16:45 < erisco> ‬test
16:45 < erisco> :(
16:46 < erisco> tard
16:46 < erisco> yay
16:54 < macen> ahah
16:54 < macen> Germany in F1 next o/
16:55 < macen> didn't realise it had a break thought i'd missed something
16:55 < macen> they were so shit in England :x
17:00 < horros> I didn't see Silverstone :((((
17:00  * v-dogg slaps everyone using those annoying and lame colors
17:01  * erisco retaliates with a purple slap
17:02 < v-dogg> you know what /kb does, erisco?
17:02 < erisco> I do not think it does anything does it?
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17:03 < saracen> IRC can do anything, it's just the client which adds these additions features, such as colours and emphasis.
17:03 < saracen> additional*
17:03 < v-dogg> "Default alias for /KICKBAN is /KB"
17:03 < v-dogg> says my irssi
17:03 < erisco> that is strange, because /KB does not work for me while /KICKBAN does
17:04 < horros> I have a better alias for when I'm listening to french Oi-punk
17:04 < horros> 20:02 Aliases:
17:04 < horros> 20:02 baguetteoi /say UN DEUX TROIS QUATRE! FÖFÖFÖFÖFÖ SKÖÖÖFÖFÖFÖFÖFÖ RÖÖFÖRÖFÖÖFÖFÖ SKÖÖFÖFÖFÖFÖFÖ!
17:04 < erisco> hmm, French does not have that accent as far as I know of
17:05 < horros> That's what french sounds like in my ears.
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17:23 < jpdery> not french canadian though
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17:26 < jpdery> but I must say I have no idea how Ö sounds...
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20:57 < _cherh> heh @ http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multatuli (finns)
20:59 < horros> Eh?
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21:00 < horros> I guess I'm getting too drunk to understand what the funny part is :(
21:01 < _cherh> ur humor is too sophistikated!
21:01 < horros> Apparently so!
21:02 < horros> but no, srs! I want in on the joke!
21:04 < horros> I'm desperately trying to find the funny part :(
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04:15 < erisco> night
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06:31 < Wombert> huomenta
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06:56 < _cherh> huomenta
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07:00 < Wombert> nom
07:00  * Wombert kicks exceptions
07:01  * ttj kicks validators.
07:01 < ttj> Oh, Top Gear and their trip to the City was absolutely brilliant!
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07:16 < Wombert> ttj: word
07:16 < Wombert> ttj: I want an Audi TTRS
07:16 < Wombert> :<
07:16 < MikeSeth> I want a pony
07:17 < MikeSeth> with lasers and a coffee machine
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07:18 < Wombert> MikeSeth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfOQ3O4kD3I
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07:28 < ttj> Ooh... Where are all these cute cleaning girls coming from...
07:28 < horros> Oh my. Live and learn.
07:28 < horros> http://www.flickr.com/photos/decade_null/286831882/
07:28 < horros> "A couple of years ago local news told that a small room with no door (but with one window) was found in the building." :D :D :D
07:29 < horros> I knew the house was weird, but not THAT weird.
07:36 < MikeSeth> it happens all the time
07:36 < sth> Wouldn't that happen on EVERY level?
07:37 < MikeSeth> Wombert: wahahahaha
07:37 < sth> Or does the room go to the source?
07:37 < MikeSeth> pool's closed because of ayd's
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08:02 < graste> huomenta
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08:06 < _cheerios> huomenta @office
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08:08 < Jarda> anyone used adt?
08:09 < Jarda> I can't get it to output anything to firephp
08:11 < sth> ugh
08:11 < sth> Stupid German croissants
08:12 < sth> They add nutella instead of the chocolate paste/powder mixture :(
08:13 < _cheerios> sounds very italian
08:14 < sth> It's irritating.
08:14 < sth> I don't like the nutella crud
08:15 < sth> kaos|work: That starburst you threw at me yesterday has damaged the wall
08:19 < CIA-56> kirila * r4190 /trunk/test/tests/unit/config/AgaviConfigTest.php: use absolute path for class include
08:22 < CIA-56> kirila * r4191 /trunk/test/tests/unit/util/AgaviParameterHolderTest.php: tests for AgaviParameterHolder, 100% coverage
08:24 < Wombert> OMNOM
08:26 < sth> You have food over there?
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08:55 < MikeSeth> do they like bacon in .de?
08:59 < sth> No
09:02 < MikeSeth> meh
09:02 < MikeSeth> you bastidz should get superior eating habits :D
09:02 < MikeSeth> btw who's kirila
09:03 < sth> Oh it's an intern here
09:03 < MikeSeth> man it's so nice to be an intern over at bx
09:03 < sth> How so?
09:04 < MikeSeth> sth: the amount of clue in a single office room can be distributed to a small country for prolonged use
09:04 < sth> "amount of clue"?
09:05 < MikeSeth> sth: compare Agavi code to any other open source project
09:05 < MikeSeth> youll see what im talking about ;>
09:06 < sth> It's horrid, just look at the parts Wombert's done :P
09:07 < MikeSeth> oh please
09:07 < MikeSeth> if you want scary look at domi's routing code
09:07 < MikeSeth> but it works.. almost flawlessly too
09:10 < sth> I was kidding :)
09:10 < MikeSeth> seriously bx is awesome :D
09:11 < MikeSeth> all you interns should be like excited and shit
09:12 < MikeSeth> if it was my company, your day'd open at 0600 with a flag ceremony :P
09:12 < sth> haha
09:13 < MikeSeth> because srs bsns
09:13 < MikeSeth> lol
09:13 < sth> That'd be awesome
09:13 < sth> But at 11am if possible
09:14 < sth> It's hard enough getting people here for 10am
09:15 < MikeSeth> nah
09:17 < MikeSeth> actually you SHOULD wake up early
09:17 < MikeSeth> makes you more focused during the day
09:19 < Wombert> [11:04] MikeSeth: sth: the amount of clue in a single office room can be distributed to a small country for prolonged use
09:19 < Wombert> thank you, sir
09:19  * Wombert hugs MikeSeth 
09:19 < Wombert> and yeah, kirila is an intern here. she's working on C stuff
09:20 < Wombert> darko and sth are doing another secret srs bsns project
09:20 < MikeSeth> ummm
09:20 < sth> Indeed
09:21 < MikeSeth> i would say tits/gtfo but that would probably be sexual harassment amirite
09:21 < sth> Probably.
09:21 < sth> May I refer you to the XKCD girls on the internet comic?
09:21 < MikeSeth> dude
09:21 < MikeSeth> the fbi agent joke was around back when bbs access was considered EXPENSIVE
09:21 < MikeSeth> ;P
09:21 < sth> http://xkcd.com/322/
09:22 < MikeSeth> ah that one
09:23 < Wombert> ROFL
09:23 < Wombert> I didn't know that one
09:23 < MikeSeth> btw #606
09:23 < sth> 606 was funny
09:23 < Wombert> this was a triumph
09:23 < Wombert> yeah it was ok
09:23 < sth> heh comic 404.
09:23 < Wombert> but xkcd hasn't been properly kick ass for some time
09:23 < MikeSeth> forced meme lulz etc
09:26 < sth> Oh, that's super cool. Some muppet is drilling next door.
09:27  * sth waits for "What's a muppet?"
09:29 < Wombert> :(
09:29 < Wombert> people don't know what a muppet is? :S
09:30 < sth> Depends.
09:31 < sth> The UK's version is different
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10:21 < sth> I wish I brought a jumper to work with me
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10:36 < horros> sth: You can probably find one in some computer there.
10:36 < horros> AHAHAHAHA! See what I did there!
10:36 < horros> LOL!
10:36 < sth> Dude, #php made that joke 20 minutes ago
10:37 < horros> Oh my.
10:37 < sth> STOP FLOODING
10:37 < horros> N OU
10:37 < horros> damnit
10:37 < horros> :(
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10:37 < sth> Failure
10:50 < MikeSeth> no u
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13:47 < horros> sth: Stop flooding!
13:48 < sth> heh
13:49 < sth> win.
13:49 < sth> I need juggling balls
13:49 < horros> Don't you have a pair to juggle already?
13:49 < sth> I think I'll go to a toy shop on the way back from work
13:50 < sth> Sure, but juggling one handed is no fun.
13:50 < horros> So juggle bi-handed then?
13:50 < sth> It's not really juggling then
13:51 < horros> How do you reckon?
13:51 < sth> It's just throwing balls in the air
13:52 < horros> So on one hand (AHAHAH) you're complaining that juggling one handed is no fun, but on the other hand (AHAHAHA) you're also complainint that juggling with two hands is not juggling at all?
13:53 < horros> complaining*
13:54 < sth> Sure, two handed is, if you have more balls.
13:56 < MikeSeth> ...
13:56 < sth> That's the 'great' bitextender pen discussion over with.
13:56 < MikeSeth> ah juggling
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14:27 < sth> Awesome: http://www.bbc.co.uk/glow/
14:28 < nfq> sth: you not a mootools man?
14:29 < sth> Nope
14:29 < sth> rather use jQuery
14:29 < nfq> why?
14:29 < nfq> jQuery sucks ass
14:29 < sth> No reason
14:29 < sth> Seemed to be the most popular
14:29 < nfq> amazing though that the beep has got a library
14:29 < nfq> popular doesn't mean good
14:29 < nfq> I mean, you don't use Zend do you ?
14:30 < nfq> don't take me too seriously
14:30 < nfq> I just always give people shit for using jQuery
14:30 < sth> I used to use Zend :P
14:30 < nfq> haha
14:30 < sth> Well the framework
14:31 < sth> kaos|work must spend all day browsing funny videos else there's some funny comments in his code
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14:34 < kaos|work> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/eng/1246353621.html
14:34 < kaos|work> not a video tho
14:34 < kaos|work> :P
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14:39 < digitarald> hey, who is in SF?
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14:40 < digitarald> Huomenta ;)
14:43 < sth> That was pretty cool
14:43 < _cherh> heh @ failures page
14:46 < _cherh> ps ax | awk -F":" '{ print $2 }' | grep "Hello Bitches" | awk -F" " '{print $3 " " $4 }'
14:47 < _cherh> ps aux | head -1 | awk '{print $11$5}' |  tr '[\103\117\115\115\101\116\104\126\123\132]' '[\110\145\154\154\157\127\157\162\154\144]' | sed 's/o/o /'
14:49 < jpdery> I have a form which is a huge array
14:49 < jpdery> like values[1][some_field]
14:49 < jpdery> "some_field" can be replace by like 50 differents other field names
14:50 < jpdery> and 1 can be replace by like 1 to 100 or []
14:50 < jpdery> how can I validate that big array
14:51 < graste> step by step? :D
14:52 < saracen> 15:30:17 < nfq> I just always give people shit for using jQuery
14:52 < saracen> Wai does jquery suck?
14:53 < jpdery> graste: na :P
14:53 < saracen> On some shootout using different js frameworks, I tried in various browsers and jquery always came out on top
14:53 < jpdery> graste:
14:53 < jpdery> 			<validator method="write" class="string" required="false">
14:53 < jpdery> 				<arguments base="attributes">
14:53 < jpdery> 					<argument></argument>
14:53 < jpdery> 				</arguments>
14:53 < jpdery> 			</validator>
14:53 < saracen> Personally, I use mootools though :D
14:53 < jpdery> me 2
14:53 < jpdery> I hope it would validate the entire array
14:54 < nfq> saracen: many reasons..
14:54 < nfq> digitarald can help say why
14:54 < nfq> but, for me, the whole namespace philosophy is strange
14:55 < nfq> it's not proper oo
14:55 < nfq> animations suck
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14:55 < nfq> every serious agavi developer should use MooTools
14:55 < graste> well, you could just write a custom validator for your stuff, if you don't want to juggle around with the builtin validators - otoh there's a arraylength validator, dependencies to use etc.
14:55 < nfq> hehe
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14:56 < graste> well, I used both js libs and I must admit, that I really love the fact that I don't have to clutter the global namespace with things in jquery - and it will just happily coexist with other libs (what one wouldn't want anyway, but...)
14:56 < digitarald> saracen: jq doesn't suck, but its, as core, not as powerful as MooTools ;)
14:57 < digitarald> and if you like to use a library that extends prototypes, you should not fear cluttering the global namespace, you already cluttered prototypes ;)
15:00 < graste> I'm still not sure if I like libs that extend prototypes, but I've got the feeling, that I don't like it, but can happily live with it :P
15:00 < graste> and I'm using mootools atm, so that should answer everything ^^
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15:04 < nfq> digitarald: haha.. yeah, you're diplomatic 
15:05 < nfq> jq doesn't suck, true.. but, well... it's another beast and in a different universe than MooTools
15:06 < digitarald> graste: I don't like putting everything and the kitchen sink into one magic object and making it all controlled by selectors and elements. JavaScript can do a lot more than just walking up and down the DOM
15:06 < graste> ^^
15:07 < graste> true, but the selectors thingy is convenient for all those CSS users out there - probably that's the reason why it got hyped that much back in the days
15:08 < graste> they don't have to learn javascript (which they should imho :P)
15:10 < nfq> yeah, jq doesn't encourage learning JS.. saying that, I love MooTools and have never really learnt JS.. but find it far less noobish
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16:26 < sth> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sea/1192150038.html
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16:30 < _cherh> :)
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16:33 < CIA-56> david * r4192 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/vendor/): Updated to PHPUnit 3.4.0beta4, closes #1118
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16:41 < _cherh> "drunker badget disrupts traffic in germany" top news in finland! :p
16:41 < _cherh> *barger
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16:41 < Rayne> haha
16:47 < Rayne> http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/05/16/florida-officials-43-children-zapped-by-stun-gun-during-prison-tour/ wtf?
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16:53 < _cherh> doesn't surprise me much what american prison guards do
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18:07 < sth> Wombert: I got a custom build of apache to work with the sharing pref pane in Sys Preferences :)
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18:10 < digitarald> Wombert/anybody: do you know any agavi-using web company in San Francisco?
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18:18  * erisco cries
18:23 < v-dogg> why?
18:25 < sth> nuth?
18:25 < sth> wait, wrong channel
18:28 < v-dogg> re: prison guards zapping and tear gas'ing children; if zapping sends kids to hospital someone should probably realise this is not appropriate
18:29 < digitarald> v-dogg: just for convincing a client to change from java to agavi
18:29 < v-dogg> but tear gas isn't that bad. everyone should try :)
18:29 < v-dogg> digitarald: ok but I was asking erisco :)
18:30 < digitarald> I thought it was a general "why" question to all available statements
18:30 < horros> Tear gas is actually not a gas.
18:30 < horros> Useless trivia #48395
18:30 < horros> :)
18:30 < v-dogg> heh
18:30 < sth> What is it then?
18:31 < erisco> I am crying because Haskell hurts my brain
18:31 < horros> sth: IIRC it's small crystals.
18:32 < horros> I just remember it's not a gas.
18:32 < horros> As 2-chlorobenzalmalononitrile is a solid at room temperature, not a gas, a variety of techniques have been used to make this solid usable as an aerosol:
18:32 < horros> * Melted and sprayed in the molten form. * Dissolved in organic solvent. * CS2 dry powder (CS2 is a siliconized, micro-pulverized form of CS). * CS from thermal grenades by generation of hot gases.[1]
18:34 < v-dogg> I think the stuff they use in the army to demonstrate the effect was some kind of a small pill that was lit on fire
18:34 < _cherh> omg @ people. just received a "why are you so mean?" email from a friend.
18:35 < v-dogg> well, why are you then?
18:35 < v-dogg> :)
18:35 < horros> and
18:35 < horros> why is your friend completely without bollocks?
18:35 < v-dogg> prolly a girl who got stod up because _cherh wanted to code :)
18:36 < sth> erisco: A friend of mine wrote an app in haskell that converted one language to another
18:36 < _cherh> hehe
18:36 < erisco> sth, programming or spoken language?
18:36 < horros> sth: Alex?-)
18:36 < sth> programming
18:36 < sth> horros: No, someone I went to university with
18:36 < horros> No, wait, he was into erlang, not haskell.
18:37 < horros> *shrug* 
18:37 < horros> same shit.
18:37 < erisco> sth, right now their "real world haskell" book has me trying to write a function to determine the height of a binary tree
18:37 < sth> Fun
18:37 < horros> "5 meters"
18:37 < sth> -4
18:37 < erisco> sth, and I can say for myself that I've no idea how to deal with all the types
18:38 < sth> I've never tried haskell
18:38 < sth> I tried to convince my friend to parse javascript with regex
18:38 < erisco> thus far it is as confusing as all hell
18:38 < sth> Like the whole language :)
18:39 < erisco> sometimes it is not too difficult to write a function that works
18:39 < _cherh> v-dogg, my hypothesis is, that saying things out loud irl like you would on the internet doesn't translate well enough. need a softer touch.
18:39 < erisco> but then you realize your function is horridly slow and does plenty of unneeded computation
18:39 < erisco> so then you have to figure out how to translate the more procedural-like method into haskell
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18:40 < erisco> and then you get bitten by lazy evaluation with stack overflows
18:40 < erisco> tons of fun stuff =\
18:40 < erisco> I think the book expects a bit too much of the readers in its exercise problems given the information they cover
18:41 < v-dogg> _cherh: you just forgot ";))))"
18:41 < _cherh> maybe I need print of that on my t-shirt
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18:50 < _cherh> or perhaps, "if you dont get it, youre just too stupid. gtfo." without a smiley, as the print.
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19:01 < _cherh> heh. apparently this is over me calling the person a "N00B", which was too cold-blooded of a comment.
19:08 < graste> :)
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20:44 < _cherh> scary http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/7/751100/-How-I-lost-my-health-insurance-at-the-hairstylists
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21:37 < graste> so much for health insurances
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21:50 < macen> heh that sucks
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00:32 < impl> erisco: Trying your hand at Haskell?
00:32 < erisco> impl, I am letting Haskell cut my hands off
00:33 < impl> hah
00:33 < impl> I can't figure it out properly either
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04:06 < _cherh> gaah. can't get sleep.
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04:46 < _cherh> rain, thunder, sunshine - nice day in the making!
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05:38 < MugeSo> Huomenta
05:41 < MugeSo> just now, I've written ConfigHandlerTestCase abstract class which extends AgaviUnitTestCase to test my custom confinghandler.
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05:50 < _cheerios> huomenta!
05:50 < _cheerios> snicker @ http://www.iltasanomat.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/uutinen.asp?id=1708782 (video tab) moose riding in the lake
05:54 < ttj> Huoh. Only in Finland. :D
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06:10 < CyberLine> hi
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06:35 < MikeSeth> omg ahahahahahahaha
06:35 < MikeSeth> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistahardware/thread/720108ee-0a9c-4090-b62d-bbd5cb1a7605
06:35 < MikeSeth> huomenta
06:37 < _cheerios> :)
06:44 < CyberLine> omg
06:50 < _cheerios> some muppet is drilling upstairs. does not go well with listening to music with headphones.
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06:54 < MikeSeth> 09:26 <sth> Oh, that's super cool. Some muppet is drilling next door.
06:54 < MikeSeth> durrr
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07:34 < _cheerios> tired :< hungry :<
07:35 < Jarda> I have a input-array, with foo[<id>][Bar] .. [Baz] .. etc. I would like my validator to check if [<id>][Bar] is set and validate [<id>][Baz] & co after that. If not set, let them be
07:37 < MikeSeth> you use the validation base to check arrays
07:38 < ttj> _cheerios: Get some lunch and then come to Turku with us to have a few pints.
07:38 < Jarda> yeah, I know, but I would like to something like provides="<id-aware-thing>" and depends="<id-aware-thing>"
07:39 < Jarda> ttj: Mallaskukko? :)
07:39 < MikeSeth> Jarda: maybe this would help: http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html
07:39 < _cheerios> ttj, that'd be a good jog :rollseyes
07:40 < Jarda> MikeSeth: it doesn't, because depends="foo[%2$s][provider]" doesn't work..
07:40 < ttj> Jarda: We're not discriminating any types of beer as such. :)
07:40 < ttj> _cheerios: You can run on the train if you need a jog. ;)
07:41 < sth> Morning
07:41 < Jarda> ttj: Mallaskukko has some great imported Danish beers
07:41 < horros> Oh my. More finns!
07:42 < ttj> Hmm... Now that I start thinking, that place does sound somewhat familiar.
07:42 < sth> horros: That's all we need.
07:42 < horros> Yeah :(
07:44 < Jarda> http://www.mallaskukko.fi/www/
07:45 < horros> Jarda: Wait, you're the bloke who was one of the people who arranged the Turku Agile Day?
07:46 < Jarda> horros: true
07:46 < horros> Ah, right, thought your nick sounded familiar somehow.
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07:53 < WasabiCat> Hi, I'm running agavi 0.11.1, is there a way to override the constructor of a model to initialize ivars? Or should I override the initialize function? The reason I ask is because AgaviModel doesn't declare a constructor???
07:54 < horros> Yes, override the initialize() method
07:54 < horros> but make sure to call parent::initialize() too
07:55 < WasabiCat> yes, I will. Thank you very much horros 
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08:17 < graste> huomenta
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10:14 < horros> Oh my.
10:15 < ttj> v-dogg: Sangria tonight?-)
10:16 < v-dogg> woot?
10:16 < ttj> Coming to Turku and as per tradition, we have to go to the Cow.
10:17 < v-dogg> heh, ok then if missus lets me :)
10:17 < v-dogg> Jarda: any chance yours would?-)
10:18 < ttj> Excellent. :)
10:19 < Jarda> v-dogg: might be, but only after 19 or something like that
10:20 < ttj> Anyway, my phone number is on http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/. So give me a ring if you guys want to tag along.
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10:51 < horros> What is this YII I keep hearing about?
10:51 < _cheerios> some chinese guys php framework
10:52 < horros> I see.
10:52 < horros> Rubbish, I presume?
10:53 < _cheerios> haven't used it
10:54 < _cheerios> based on what i saw when ive looked at their docs, i wouldn't touch it
10:55 < horros> Yii::createWebApplication($config)->run()
10:55  * horros giggles
10:56 < sth> Stupid Apple
10:56 < sth> I've had these headphones for 2 weeks nearly, and the rubber cap has come loose. :(
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12:05 < ttj> En route to Turku. Yay! \o/
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12:24 < Wombert> ttj: mind the polar bears
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12:40 < ttj> Wombert: Will do.
12:40 < Jarda> How can I prevent ro->gen() from encoding my urls
12:40 < Wombert> Jarda: you mean encoding specific arguments?
12:41 < Wombert> either through a callback, or by wrapping your values into an AgaviRoutingValue object
12:41 < Wombert> $ro->gen('staticpage', array('file' => $ro->createValue('foo/bar.html', false)));
12:41 < Jarda> I want to do something like $url = $this->ro->gen('foo', array('id1'=>$id1, 'id2'=>$id2));
12:41 < Wombert> false indicates that no further encoding is necessary
12:41 < Wombert> and IDs shouldn't be encoded?
12:41 < Jarda> and then redirect to it
12:42 < Wombert> mmh
12:42 < Wombert> ah
12:42 < Wombert> ampersands?
12:42 < Jarda> yeah
12:42 < Wombert> ok
12:42 < Jarda> &amp;
12:42 < Wombert> easy
12:42 < saracen> I had that problem a little while ago
12:42 < Wombert> you could do that through options
12:42 < Wombert> will show how
12:42 < Wombert> but there is also a better way
12:42 < Wombert> $this->ro->gen('foo', array('id1'=>$id1, 'id2'=>$id2), array('separator' => &, 'relative' => false));
12:43 < Wombert> 'relative' => false is not really necessary; agavi will build a full http:// url when redirecting, but it doesn't hurt
12:43 < Wombert> so
12:43 < Wombert> that is cumbersome
12:43 < Wombert> hence we need an easier way
12:43 < Wombert> go factories.xml
12:44 < Wombert> <routing...>
12:44 < Wombert>   <ae:parameter name="gen_options_presets">
12:44 < Wombert>     <ae:parameter name="redirect">
12:44 < Wombert>       <ae:parameter name="separator"><![CDATA[&]]></ae:parameter>
12:44 < Wombert>       <ae:parameter name="relative">false</ae:parameter>
12:44 < Wombert> $this->ro->gen('foo', array('id1'=>$id1, 'id2'=>$id2), 'redirect');
12:44 < Wombert> instead of the cdata blurb, you could also use &amp; (which results in "&")
12:44 < Wombert> but since that is more confusing, it's better to use cdata :)
12:45 < Wombert> does that sound helpful, Jarda? :)
12:45 < Jarda> yeah, will try that
12:45 < Wombert> let us know if there is any trouble
12:48 < Jarda> it worked, thanks :)
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12:50 < sth> I smell some weird cola drink
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13:37 < saracen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
13:37 < saracen> lawl, check out the featured article
13:39 < sth> Gropecunt Lane, ha
13:40 < saracen> lol, yeah, because they named it after the streets function
13:40 < saracen> how weird is that ;x
13:42 < sth> It's kinda cool
13:43 < saracen> Aye, it is. It's weird how we lost the nack for calling things what they are
13:43 < saracen> That would never happen now
13:43 < saracen> Which makes it so hard for me to find a decent place to grope some cunts.
13:44 < saracen> Google Maps doesnt even halp
13:44 < saracen> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Gropecunt&sll=53.93022,-4.042969&sspn=13.845552,20.170898&ie=UTF8&ll=54.162434,-1.362305&spn=13.769143,20.170898&z=5&iwloc=A
13:44 < saracen> wait, i lie
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13:45 < Wombert> ohai malax 
13:45 < malax> Huomenta guise!
13:45 < sth> Point A doesn't exist.
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13:51 < saracen> =(, theres another point which says it was formly gropecunt
13:52 < saracen> Anyway, I'm sure you can find prostitution on every road in Germany right? Isn't that the only way the women make money there?
13:53  * saracen insults 50% of channel.
13:53 < sth> We might as well go for the rest.
13:53 < sth> Mainland europe is full of inbred people :x
13:54 < saracen> And everybody here is ugly.
13:54 < saracen> I think we're done here.
13:54 < sth> Yup
13:54  * saracen highfives sth 
13:54 < sth> ^5
13:56 < saracen> "What do you know about Joomla... …or more to the point, can you code in it?  I’ve got a sales lead, but the IT manager is insisting on using Joomla – any thoughts?"
13:56 < saracen> Email from my boss. Anybody know how easy it'd be to pick up on Joomla? =)
13:57 < sth> Oh, I have another one... "I heard that symfony was waaaay better than Agavi"
13:57 < sth> :D
13:58 < saracen> "Cake is identical to Agavi, it just tastes better."
13:58 < saracen> "(because it's not german)"
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13:58 < saracen> I really should stop now, I fear I might be slapped around the face with a Jew.
13:59 < sth> How do you think I feel? I have the Agavi dev team sitting 10 ft behind me :)
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14:03 < sth> I think I've done all the activity state diagrams for this "srs bsns" project
14:03 < sth> Well, I have two more but they're not important.
14:03 < _cherh> diagarms? i can't even remember how to do those 
14:04 < sth> Go read a UML book or five.
14:06 < _cherh> next time ill write a diagram, i'll remember that
14:07 < sth> One doesn't "write" a diagram, one draws them.
14:17 < Wombert> [15:59] sth: How do you think I feel? I have the Agavi dev team sitting 10 ft behind me :)
14:17 < Wombert> intimidated I hope
14:18 < MikeSeth> bs
14:18 < MikeSeth> he has a huge boner
14:18 < MikeSeth> won't stand up and leave the table :P
14:20 < _cherh> hehe
14:20 < sth> http://thereifixedit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/tifi-towladder.jpg that's awesome
14:21 < _cherh> creative
14:21 < ttj> v-dogg: In Turku. Going to most likely walk around for an hour or two and then head for drinks.
14:21 < ttj> Off again->
14:21 < sth> thereifixedit.com is awesome
14:29 < v-dogg> ttj: roger
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14:49 < saracen> I has had a blank
14:49 < saracen> How do I get a model from a specific module?
14:50 < horros> getModel('modelname', 'modulename'); ?
14:50 < saracen> context->getModel('Module', 'Model'), getModel(array('Module', 'Model')), getModel('Module.Model')?
14:50 < saracen> Oh
14:51 < saracen> Agavi is inconsistant with that I feel =(
14:52 < MikeSeth> durr
14:52 < MikeSeth> context::getModel($model, $module)
14:52 < MikeSeth> I usually do something like function getModel($model, $module = null) { if (! $module) $module = this module; } in base actions/views/models
14:55 < saracen> but then what happens when you want a global model in that module? :P
14:56 < sth> getModel('global model')
14:56 < saracen> Oh, wait, you'd just get it from the context
14:57 < saracen> I see, so everywhere else you'd get it from the base actions/views/models =)
14:57 < saracen> makes sense
14:57 < MikeSeth> no you are right
14:57 < MikeSeth> the model loading is a wart
14:57 < MikeSeth> and in other contexts the order of parameters is inverse
14:57 < MikeSeth> (eg View::createXXXContainer)
14:57 < MikeSeth> it's a fuckup
14:57 < MikeSeth> hopefully to be fixed in 2.0
14:58 < saracen> When returning a view from a action it's array('Module', 'View'), which is what got me with the 'Model', 'Module'. Even though it's not part of an array.
14:58 < saracen> I don't understand why model loading even exists tbh
14:59 < saracen> The only use I see it for is passing the context? I can pass that as and when I need it my damn self.
15:01 < Wombert> true
15:02 < saracen> true for which comment? :P
15:02 < Wombert> the only advantage is that it handles the autoloading/inclusion for you
15:02 < MikeSeth> true is a superclass :P
15:02 < Wombert> and will also return the same instance if your model class implements AgaviISingletonModel
15:03 < saracen> Yeah, and I guess that is handy. But I still don't like using it :P
15:03 < saracen> Even though I still do use it =(
15:04 < v-dogg> stop using it then
15:05 < v-dogg> I think it's very handy (autoloading, autoinitialization, AgaviISingletonModel etc)
15:06 < v-dogg> and the parameter order is also ok - optional parameters last
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15:19 < sth> http://saymix.com/hello_world_inline_image.html view the source
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15:41 < codecop> heh ;)
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15:53 < saracen> weird
15:55 < sth> I like the ping sounds that you get from turning on tube lighting
15:57 < saracen> I like the sound of a girl breathing as she lies next to you
15:58 < saracen> Wait, thats too gay. I would like to append: "After you've punched her in the face"/
15:59 < sth> saracen: wtf are you smoking?
15:59 < saracen> LAMB
15:59 < saracen> lamb joints
15:59 < sth> I've not had lamb in ages. 
16:00 < saracen> I could introduce you to my dealer
16:00 < saracen> asda.com
16:00 < saracen> Say I sent you
16:01 < sth> Asda sell cancer meat
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16:10 < WasabiCat> does this disable the fpf for the current request only?
16:11 < WasabiCat> $this->context->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', false, 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
16:11 < WasabiCat> or for subsequent requests (read, write) as well?
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16:17 < saracen> the current request, for that container
16:17 < saracen> I think
16:18 < saracen> But its not session based
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16:26 < WasabiCat> cool, thanks
16:26 < Xylakant> saracacen, wasabicat: it's for the current request, not for the current container
16:27 < Xylakant> the FPF is a global filter that acts on the current request
16:27 < WasabiCat> thanks for clarifying that
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16:44 < Wombert> nom time
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20:54 < macen> capistrano o.O
20:54 < macen> rails madness
20:54 < macen> interesting :)
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21:02 < erisco> macen, is capistrano another framework or something? sounds familiar
21:03 < macen> ruby on rails script for deployment
21:04 < macen> automates common tasks 
21:23 < erisco> macen, ah, okay
21:23 < erisco> macen, what are you doing near the likes of rails? :P
21:23 < macen> ha i know
21:24 < erisco> what are we all doing near the likes of PHP? :(
21:24 < macen> i google'd it and got that, then went to check agavi logs to see which one Xylakant had suggested and it was capistrano as well
21:24  * erisco is being maimed by Haskell but still going
21:24 < macen> tell me about it
21:24 < macen> depressing isn't it
21:25 < erisco> its like I never knew how to program at all
21:25 < erisco> I knew they said it was different... but it is just no similarity
21:25 < erisco> its like, what is 2 + 2? and Haskell gives me "fish"
21:26 < macen> lols
21:26 < graste> psychadelic
21:26 < Xylakant> capistrano is not a rails tool, it's written in ruby and often used to deploy rails apps :)
21:26 < macen> bah
21:26 < erisco> Xylakant, that is what I thought
21:26 < macen> ruby on rals
21:26 < macen> rails*
21:26 < erisco> because I am pretty sure I have it bookmarked lol
21:26 < Xylakant> i'd probably go for "vlad the deployer" though
21:27 < Xylakant> the name just kicks ass
21:27 < graste> :>
21:27 < graste> indeed
21:27 < macen> oh ryt
21:27 < graste> never tried it though
21:27 < macen> i thought that was a joke lol
21:27 < Xylakant> nope
21:27 < erisco> sortBy (comparing (map (const ()))) ["ab", "a", "abc", ""]
21:27 < Xylakant> http://rubyhitsquad.com/Ruby_Hit_Squad.html
21:28 < erisco> today I learnt how that works to sort a list of lists by their length
21:29 < erisco> and how it can work on a list of infinite length
21:30 < erisco> compared to what I wanted to do that didn't, but was more efficient in certain cases
21:30 < erisco> but this one is more efficient in other cases as well... and, its...
21:31  * erisco really appreciates the excellent Haskell community and their new free "Real World Haskell" book
21:31 < erisco> so if anyone else wants to be mind fucked for along time, I suggest learning Haskell :)
21:33 < Xylakant> in that case I'd propose to learn brainfuck
21:35 < erisco> I think white space would have more of a deteriorating effect on one's sanity
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21:37 < macen> so why ruby?
21:37 < _cherh> haskell, still got the book next to my puter and i'm on like page 20 after 2 years :)
21:38 < erisco> _cherh, I am not sure what book you have, but I was on chapter 4 in order to figure out how to solve the exercises in chapter 3, which I am still working on
21:38 < erisco> and that is still with the help of the haskell channel :P
21:40 < _cherh> yeah, the syntax is... different.
21:40 < erisco> the evaluation is what messes me up, always
21:41 < erisco> I can actually live with the syntax... I just cannot most of the time figure out how what I am writing will evaluate
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21:50 < _cherh> coworker complained that while his programs evaluated, they never worked like he thought they'd work :)
21:50 < _cherh> and he threw haskell to /dev/null
21:51 < erisco> I sense this immense underlying power awaiting me on the top of the Haskell learning curve
21:51 < _cherh> good luck with that :)
21:56 < macen> lol
21:56 < macen> _cherh: you play planetarion?
21:57 < _cherh> i used to play it bigtime
21:57  * macen too
21:57 < macen> which round?
21:57 < _cherh> r4 to r11 + 14 or so
21:57 < macen> ahk
21:57 < macen> i left at about r4
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21:58 < _cherh> wow, round32 by now
21:58 < macen> lols yeah
21:58 < _cherh> my planetarion wikipage http://www.clawofdarkness.com/pawiki/index.php/Cheerios
21:59 < macen> Elysium :D
21:59 < macen> i was tech dude in their first round
21:59 < macen> which was r4 methinks :)
22:00 < macen> was majorly idle by that point 
22:00 < macen> 'grats on winning :)
22:01 < _cherh> WINNING ON THE INTERNETS! YES!! :D
22:01 < erisco> oh, here is something I did not know Xylakant
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22:01 < macen> hehe
22:01 < erisco> whitespace is written with Haskell, what a coincidence
22:01 < macen> it takes a certain type...
22:01  * erisco goes away to eat supper
22:01  * erisco does away to make THEN eat supper
22:01 < macen> you have to be popular 'cause of the alliance setup and so on
22:01 < macen> well done :)
22:02 < macen> i still chat on irc.netgamers.org
22:02 < macen> #php mainly
22:03 < macen> heh madness
22:03 < macen> night
22:05 < _cherh> true. took a bunch of networking ingame, idd.
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03:57 < erisco> g'night
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05:45 < Jarda> ok, anyone ran into firefoxs Connection Interrupted The document contains no data. thing with agavi?
05:45 < Jarda> I have no clue what's going on here..
05:45 < Jarda> in IE I get Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage
05:46 < Jarda> if I do var_dump("foo"); exit; in top of index.php it get's displayed
05:47 < Jarda> but after AgaviContext::getInstance('web')->getController()->dispatch(); it dies
05:47 < Jarda> pretty hard to debug..
05:49 < Jarda> oh, apache segfaults..
05:49 < Jarda> http://codepad.org/trDblEz1
05:57 < Jarda> and it's definitely my agaviproject crashing it..
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06:02 < _cherh> it's an apache segfault, yes. i got that a year or so back.
06:02 < _cherh> was the day i switched to lighttpd in 2 hrs
06:03 < Jarda> funny though, that my other agaviprojects do not segfault..
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06:05 < _cherh> do you have anything else running on the server besides agavi?
06:06 < _cherh> and is this 0.11 or 1.0?
06:11 < Jarda> 1.0
06:11 < Jarda> this is my desktop computer
06:12 < _cherh> k, i had it with 0.11
06:12 < Jarda> of course I could try with lighttpd, if this really is a apache related
06:12 < Jarda> might of course be somethign funny with my codebase also..
06:13 < _cherh> if its on your desktop, it's easier to debug atleast
06:13 < _cherh> i never could replicate the problem, only happened in production
06:15 < _cherh> would love to find out what the cause was.
06:21 < horros> I'm betting it's some PHP extension that's causing it.
06:21 < horros> Jarda: Do don't happen to have xdebug on there, do you?
06:22 < Jarda> no
06:22 < horros> Did you recenly add some funky feature to your app that uses a PHP extension?-)
06:22 < Jarda> no..
06:23 < horros> Hmm, try adding some logging or just plain old echo "HI"; die(); to your action and see if it gets that far or if it crashes before it
06:23 < Jarda> it dies before action
06:24 < horros> That's peculiar.
06:24 < horros> This started all of the sudden? 
06:24 < Jarda> yeah
06:24 < horros> hmm... PHP 5.2.9-2
06:25 < horros> Is this some debian-packaged PHP?
06:25 < Jarda> win32
06:25 < horros> Anything in the event logs?
06:27 < Jarda> I started with a fresh php.ini now
06:27 < Jarda> let's see if it's my old friend xsl crashing..
06:28 < horros> I was just about to say I have a raising suspicion it has something to do with xml-parsing :)
06:29 < horros> If it's not, I'm starting to run out of ideas where to look next :(
06:30 < Jarda> ok, something strange
06:30 < horros> Hmmh?
06:31 < Jarda> nothing
06:31 < Jarda> had a missing extension_dir
06:31 < Jarda> and now just the same as before..
06:34 < Jarda> php5.3 won't even start
06:35 < horros> Oh dear.
06:35 < horros> Hmm, did you try disabling XSL?
06:36 < Jarda> yeah, then I get the agavi shiny exception
06:37 < horros> Ok, try disabling the extension and adding AgaviConfig::set('core.skip_config_transformations', true) to your index.php
06:37 < horros> (before Agavi::bootstrap() of course.
06:37 < horros> )
06:39 < sth> Morning
06:40 < sth> This is one of the many reasons I won't use PHP on windows
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06:41 < _cherh> it's not windows, had the same on linux
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06:41 < sth> Oh.
06:42 < sth> Does other PHP code work?
06:43 < horros> _cherh: Assuming it *is* the notorious libxslt segfault thing :)
06:43 < horros> 09:01 < Jarda> funny though, that my other agaviprojects do not segfault..
06:43 < _cherh> could be. i remember when i had this it segfaulted only on like every third, or fifth try -- sometimes all the time.
06:44 < _cherh> it also began suddendly, couldnt pinpoint the cause
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06:44 < horros> That *REALLY* sounds like xdebug.
06:45 < horros> I had it causing completely random segfaults on apache 2.2/win32 
06:45 < horros> as in, it could go two days without segfaulting, then the third day segfault every second request.
06:45 < _cherh> apache would segfault and select a random file to display from /modpub/, that'd have the source but would show empty to user
06:45 < horros> Went away when I disabled xdebug
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06:45 < horros> _cherh: haha, that sounds funky :D
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06:46 < _cherh> was a lovely day
06:46 < horros> segfault-gnomes are always fun.
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06:48 < Jarda> http://codepad.org/EbXzUEHW
06:48 < Jarda> now tiwh xsl disabled..
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06:49 < horros> Ah, yes. Also add AgaviConfig::set('core.skip_config_validation', true);
06:51 < Jarda> Output Type "" has not been configured.
06:52 < horros> o_O
06:53 < horros> Well, at least we can say it _is_ xslt that's causing it to crash.
06:53 < horros> I think.
06:53  * horros humms
06:53 < _cherh> thing is, if it was xslt, why would a web-server change fix the problem?
06:53 < _cherh> (the solution that helped in our case)
06:53 < _cherh> (which is not reallya  solution at all :))
06:54 < horros> Not sure really.
06:55 < Jarda> this is kinda annoying..
06:55 < horros> But, well, if it IS crashing with the XSLT extension enabled, but is NOT crashing when it is disabled, I'd say it's a fair bet it's XSLT that's causing it to crash :)
06:56 < horros> Jarda: Maybe you have something funky in your config files that causes xslt completely fall over itself?
06:58 < _cherh> remember, his other agavi projects work fine. another thing that can cause headache is the agavi routing which is an alien piece of code, that usually works best with apache, but when it wouldn't this could be the cause *pure speculation*
06:59 < _cherh> -> office
06:59 < Jarda> well, I try to dig around..
07:01 < horros> It may be related to the "output type "" has not been configured" error you get
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07:22 < Jarda> yeah, now I've disabled xslt AND converted all my .xml:s to <ae: standard..
07:22 < Jarda> and "The document contains no data"
07:22 < Jarda> so I guess it's not xslt segfaulting..
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07:30 < sth> Gah, stupid Friday
07:30 < Jarda> tell me about it..
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07:54 < Jarda> it dies somewhere in the filterchain
07:55 < Jarda> dies in AgaviController
07:55 < Jarda> while executing $filterChain->execute($container);
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07:57 < Jarda> daviiiid
08:00 < sth> Is dead... 
08:00 < sth> Or just out of the office, I'm unsure on the differences
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08:20 < _cheerios> "Some firefox developer had a Very Bad (tm) idea to seed a random number generator by scanning the Windows Temp folders, which is now causing a 30 secs to over a minute pause in start up for a lot of users (particularly those that use IE, which creates a LOT of temp files). Yikes."
08:20 < _cheerios> lol
08:20 < Seldaek> where is that from? :)
08:20 < Seldaek> is it ff3.5?
08:21 < _cheerios> ff 3.5
08:21 < _cheerios> http://weblogs.asp.net/fbouma/archive/2009/07/09/the-firefox-3-5-fiasco.aspx
08:23 < Jarda> ok, I installed fresh apache, fresh php.. I really think this is because of my code
08:23 < Jarda> but where..
08:24 < Jarda> of course I did to the one thing you should never do.. code a whole day without commiting..
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08:32 < _cheerios> ubuntu has a similar problem for me in 9.04, as when my /tmp folder was a few gigs in size, some cleanup script of theirs halted boot unless the process was killed. clearing up /tmp from all the files "solved" the issue.
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08:49 < Jarda> lol
08:50 < Jarda> now I'm feeling quite stupid
08:51 < Jarda> I had changed BaseModel to have somethin like "protected $myOtherModel;" and in initialize "$this->myOtherModel = $this->context->getModel('myOtherModel');"
08:52 < Jarda> I guess agavi get's confused when it tries to initialize that model inside itself several times..
09:08 < sth> Yup
09:08 < sth> Recursion is a bitch :)
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09:58 < _cheerios> heh @ http://flamewhale.com/
09:58 < _cheerios> Jarda, stupid Agavi doesn't know what's best for it! :p
09:59 < Jarda> well, can't blame anyone else than me
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10:07 < graste> huomenta
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10:30 < _cheerios> I do wonder still by debian/ubuntu like to name firefox to something else, like in Jaunty ff 3.5 is "Shiretoko"
10:31 < saracen> Isnt that because the logos and name are trademarks?
10:38 < saracen> Argh, how should my constructor look when extending agavimodel? =(
10:38 < Jarda> something like that. The logo is not free, and mozilla doesn't allow distros to ship their own logo as "firefox"
10:38 < Jarda> you don't use constructors
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10:39 < saracen> Ah yeah, it uses initialize ;)
10:39 < Jarda> you use:
10:39 < Jarda> public function initialize(AgaviContext $context, array $parameters = array())
10:39 < Jarda> 	{
10:39 < Jarda> 		parent::initialize($context, $parameters);
10:44 < sth> phing's website is down :/
10:44 < _cheerios> ttj, finncon+animecon @ kaapeli. lets go! :D
10:46 < _cheerios> there's CANDY*LOVE, Lolita workshop, cosplay-dating... what's not to love?
10:46 < sth> Arse. I'd like to do some work, but it appears phings website is down so I can't install agavi.
10:49 < _cheerios> + parapara!
10:50 < _cheerios> gotta love those externals *g*
10:51 < Rayne> sth, if you use an linux distribution you could try to install pear by the package manager
10:51 < Rayne> eh phing
10:52 < sth> Nope
10:52 < sth> OS X :)
10:53 < Wombert> sth: pear install - 
10:53 < Wombert> --nodeps
10:53 < Wombert> besides, why do you install via pear
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10:55 < sth> Because?
10:56 < saracen> Only NOOBS install via pear
10:56 < saracen> You're not a NOOB are you sth?
10:56 < saracen> You do _know_ not to sit behind the door when shit is being handed out, right?
10:57 < saracen> Like CLUES
10:57 < saracen> and BRAINZ
10:58  * sth remembers to punch saracen on the way back to Peterborough
10:58 < saracen> lawl
10:59 < saracen> Anybody here used xmlrpc?
11:00 < saracen> Or used the native one for PHP5 and want to tell me where I can learn to use it? =(
11:00 < Wombert> xmlrpc is fail
11:00 < Wombert> srsly
11:00 < Wombert> it's the worst pile of crap ever invented
11:00 < Wombert> why do you want to use xmlrpc?
11:00 < Wombert> use SOAP or build a REST API
11:00 < Wombert> do *not* use XMLRPC
11:00 < saracen> Wombert: Because it's a remote service API
11:00 < Wombert> it's old, outdated, it was crap even back then, and nobody uses it anymore
11:00 < saracen> I has no control over it
11:00 < Wombert> saracen: tell them they're clueless fuckers and that the 1990s are over
11:01 < saracen> It's the french Wombert, I'm sure they know this already
11:01 < saracen> It's Gandis API =(
11:01 < Jarda> what is this SOAP thing people talk about these days..
11:02 < saracen> It's a way to keep clean
11:02 < Wombert> yes
11:02 < saracen> Haha, no wonder the French dont use it..
11:02 < saracen> I just made a funny.
11:02 < Wombert> durr hurr
11:02 < Jarda> hmm.. it
11:02 < Jarda> 's xml..
11:02 < Wombert> no
11:02 < Wombert> :)
11:02 < Wombert> it's a proper standard
11:03 < Wombert> $c = new SoapClient('http://blah.wsd');
11:03 < sth> saracen: if it's the french it's easy to figure out
11:03 < Wombert> $retval = $c->callSomeMethod()
11:03 < Wombert> no need to deal with xml etc
11:03 < sth> Just make them surrender.
11:03 < Wombert> (unlike in the rotten xmlrpc)
11:04 < Jarda> Wombert: so why SOAP over REST?
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11:04 < Wombert> Jarda: well, a WSDL describes an API completely
11:04 < Wombert> you don't have to implement stuff
11:05 < Wombert> for rest, you need to write wrapper code, serialization etc all yourself
11:05 < Wombert> soap does that
11:05 < Wombert> but rest is also good
11:05 < saracen> So anyway, when I include xmlrpc.inc in my model, PHP times out. I need the helpz
11:05 < Wombert> it depends on the use case
11:05 < Jarda> maybe I've understood REST wrong also.. :)
11:06 < Wombert> REST is just an approach
11:06 < Wombert> you GET/POST/BLAH to resources
11:06 < Wombert> URL design is crucial for good rest apis btw :p
11:06 < Wombert> Jarda: read http://tomayko.com/writings/rest-to-my-wife
11:06 < Jarda> yeah, I thought REST was just the urls, or something like that
11:07 < Jarda> never had the time to read about it..
11:07 < Wombert> it goes in that direction
11:07 < Wombert> whether a REST API uses XML, JSON or whatever for transferring information is outside the scope of REST itself
11:10 < archtech> However, of course we know only inferior people use XML.
11:11  * archtech looks around
11:11 < archtech> Correct?
11:12 < saracen> So, what xmlrpc lib should I use? =(
11:12 < saracen> archtech: IRC3 is going to use XML, so we'll all be inferior
11:13 < _cheerios> use my rest api, no my framework, no my orm that'll be just around the corner *g*
11:13 < archtech> saracen, what?
11:14 < archtech> saracen, you gotta be kidding.
11:14 < saracen> Nope. I never kid. I'm the most serious person in this channel.
11:14 < archtech> Well that's ok since no one needs IRC3
11:15 < archtech> But I'm not happy, I wish the text was transmitted via JPEG 2000 images scanned from a papertrail and then OCR-ed on the other end.
11:15 < archtech> Only that can beat XML.
11:17 < Wombert> nono
11:17 < Wombert> XML is a good thing
11:18 < Wombert> and most people who bash it do not know it's strength and weaknesses
11:18 < Wombert> of course XML is not perfect for everything
11:19 < archtech> Wombert, well that's ok since I'm not most people.
11:21 < Wombert> :)
11:21 < Wombert> XML is superior for data storage, markup, all this stuff
11:21 < archtech> And IRC is neither of those. I wouldn't agree for storage in general.
11:21 < Wombert> there are too many json/yaml zealots who advocate those for every single use case, because all they have is a hammer
11:21 < Wombert> yes, true
11:22 < Wombert> in fact, other formats might be a lot better for storage
11:22 < archtech> It's ok for markup, too explicit, but SGML was too complex for ya'll, so that's what you get.
11:22 < archtech> SGML was better.
11:22 < sth> There's a really stupid bug in Safari
11:22 < macen> hmm
11:23 < macen> will there be a php3 Agavi?
11:23 < Wombert> xml is good for exchanging information
11:23 < Wombert> macen: excuse me?
11:23 < macen> that requires min php5.3
11:23 < Wombert> Agavi runs on 5.3, if that is your question
11:23 < macen> will agavi be using any of the added niceness and make people upgrade to 5.3?
11:24 < Wombert> in a future release, likely, yes
11:24 < saracen> I was <trolling> when I said IRC3 was going to use xml btw. </trolling>
11:24 < macen> kthx
11:24 < macen> that would be lovely.
11:24 < saracen> Agavi doesnt run on PHP6 though!
11:24 < Wombert> lies
11:25 < saracen> It's true, I got errorz
11:25 < Wombert> last time I tried, it workd
11:25 < Wombert> what errors did you get?
11:25 < Wombert> it could be PHP6, you know, not Agavi :p
11:25 < macen> not php
11:25 < macen> Wombert: PHP 5.3
11:25 < archtech> saracen, but.. you're the most serious person in this channel.
11:25 < archtech> You can't troll.
11:25 < macen> has all the other language niceness 
11:25  * archtech explodes
11:26 < Wombert> macen: ?
11:26 < macen> will Agavi be using this? 
11:26 < saracen> Wombert: I can't remember, its quite likely it was PHP6 :), I might try again when I get home. If it earns me an agavi t-shirt
11:26 < macen> in some areas?
11:26 < saracen> Which you need to give to sth to give to me :)
11:26 < Wombert> macen: what?
11:26 < macen> to then make it php5.3 only
11:26 < Wombert> ...
11:26 < Wombert> [13:23] macen: will agavi be using any of the added niceness and make people upgrade to 5.3?
11:26 < Wombert> [13:24] Wombert: in a future release, likely, yes
11:27 < macen> good
11:27 < macen> i love you Wombert :)
11:27 < macen> in amnaly way ofc
11:27  * Wombert shudders
11:27 < saracen> Womberto you ever played Guild Wars?
11:27 < Wombert> saracen: hello no go away with this MMORPG shit
11:28 < saracen> lawl, forget that side of it. I did. I just picked it up again but playing PVP
11:28 < Wombert> I have better things to do than jacking lumber for weeks until I collected enough wood to buy a blue sword
11:28 < Wombert> I don't care
11:28 < Wombert> it's set in the medieval times or something
11:28 < saracen> WOOD TO BUY A BLUE SWORD
11:28 < Wombert> some fantasy bs
11:28 < saracen> ROFLMAO LOL YOU NOOB
11:28 < Wombert> it's about jacking lumber
11:28 < Wombert> all those games are
11:28 < macen> Wombert: is it too early to tell when 2.0 will become a priority?
11:28 < Wombert> they are for retards who meet up in real life
11:29 < Wombert> google "LARP"
11:29 < saracen> Wombert: TF2 is kinda fantasy too you know
11:29 < Wombert> they meet in self-made gay costumes and throw tennis balls at each other
11:29 < saracen> You dont really think theres a fat russian with a big gun do you?
11:29 < Wombert> "this is the fireball of azeroth"
11:29 < _cheerios> Wombert, hater!
11:29 < saracen> alright, alright, you dont have to tell me how lame it is
11:29 < Wombert> saracen: MMORPGs are for sad losers. the end.
11:29 < saracen> I already know, but please let me lie to myself. That group of friends wont play tf2 with me =(
11:29 < Wombert> saracen: although I have to admit that the gw client is *fucking* ace
11:29 < saracen> how so?
11:30 < macen> Wombert: when will 2.0 be ready? :/
11:30 < Wombert> the way it selfupdates
11:30 < saracen> Wombert: I was involved with building the first gw emulator. It's not that ace ;)
11:30 < Wombert> saracen: and how you can just drag the window to an arbitrary size
11:30 < saracen> I have a signed copy of guild wars for hackingz
11:30 < Wombert> macen: any specific issues with 1.0?
11:31 < macen> caching
11:31 < saracen> It's cool, but you'd have a right rant at them. They need Agavis validation system
11:31 < Wombert> macen: really?
11:31 < Wombert> macen: care to give more details?
11:31 < macen> i am implementing caching and want to use the agavi methods you are planning to create
11:31 < macen> i only need a rough date
11:32 < macen> please
11:32 < Wombert> macen: no
11:32 < Wombert> period
11:32 < macen> kk
11:32 < Wombert> we haven't even started planning yet
11:32 < macen> that's fine.
11:32 < Wombert> [13:31] macen: i am implementing caching and want to use the agavi methods you are planning to create
11:32 < Wombert> what caching?
11:32 < Wombert> for pages?
11:32 < Wombert> actions and stuff?
11:32 < macen> caching of functions that don't need to be loaded on page load
11:32 < macen> quite big operations that may update nightly
11:33 < Wombert> a lot of that stuff can be done through action caching
11:33 < Wombert> of course, you can cache things away to, say, the disk, easily yourself
11:33 < Wombert> the storage system, which by the way is scheduled for 1.1, not for 2.0, will just make that eaasier
11:34 < macen> this is fine.
11:34 < macen> will give me an excuse to not go into production till its ready.
11:34 < macen> heh! :)
11:34 < Wombert> :p
11:35 < Wombert> lunchtime
11:35  * macen tickles Wombert 
11:35 < macen> meep
11:35 < macen> you are the man :)
11:35 < macen> hehe
11:35 < Wombert> I'm hoping to pick up work on 1.1 full-time in two weeks
11:36 < Wombert> have been busier than anticipated lately
11:36 < Wombert> anyway
11:36  * Wombert &
11:36 < macen> bleh
11:36 < macen> w/e
11:36 < macen> tis k
11:36 < macen> bit early to be working on the stuff since 1.0 release
11:36 < macen> better to take timeouts
11:37 < graste> we want more features we won't use!
11:37 < graste> :D
11:37 < macen> nooo
11:37 < macen> no we don't!
11:37 < macen> clean code plsta
11:38 < saracen> I try hard, but he still annoys me.
11:38 < graste> ^^
11:38 < macen> hehe
11:44 < Jarda> Wombert: agavi "suffers" a bit of heavy xml usage
11:45 < Jarda> because when a dev thinks "which framework to pick" and opens agavi tutorial, he gets a shitload of xml-vomit
11:46 < Jarda> but now I admit that XML is pretty cool to use in validators etc
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12:24 < saracen> i didnt like the idea of using xml to start with either, but if I had to do everything thats setup in my xml in code, that'd be horrible
12:25 < saracen> especially if there was a bug, thats a lot of code to sort in multiple projects
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13:45 < rozza> houmenta!
13:46 < rozza> you get my email?
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13:47 < Wombert> yes
13:48 < Wombert> dude, drowning in srs bsns bs work
13:48 < Wombert> will get back tomorrow or sunday
13:48  * Wombert hugs rozza 
13:49 < Wombert> sorry for the hold-up
13:56 < graste> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YuR6V_Yr7Bk/ShqgIihMYTI/AAAAAAAABf8/zBeMs-4I7qE/s1600-h/topInternetHistory.png
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14:01 < sth> That image is wrong?
14:01 < sth> Flickr, twitter, facebook, wordpress should be in web 2.0 instead of 1.0
14:04 < _cheerios> an error has been found on the internet? lets digg.
14:10 < sth> Indeed
14:16 < graste> =)
14:16 < saracen> digg isnt 2.0
14:16 < saracen> neither if facebook and twitter
14:16 < saracen> is*
14:17 < sth> Sure they are.
14:17 < sth> Social networking/media automatically fall in web2.0
14:25 < graste> there should be more items in "most epic fails"
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14:26 < graste> esp related to AOL, patents, etc. :P
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17:00 < sth> I swear, there's enough salt on German pretzels to kill you
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17:33 < _cherh> bah. my ff3.5 setup is borked. dies on visiting applications/downloading torrents.
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17:39 < _cherh> anyone been running agavi on php5.3 in production? all good?
17:39 < sth> yup, works fine
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17:51 < saracen> 18:00:08 < sth> I swear, there's enough salt on German pretzels to kill you
17:51 < saracen> I hope it hurries up
17:57 < archtech> Does anyone know a function to convert from codepage code to Unicode codepoint? Hopefully not system dependent.
17:57 < sth> saracen: diaf
17:58 < sth> besides, I'm the only person who can get your a beloved agavi shirt
18:37 < _cherh> nipple shirts <3
18:46 < saracen> sth: no you're not
18:46 < saracen> impl will go there just to pick one up for me, even though its well out of his way
18:46 < Rayne> is it possible to change the cache settings in the "user space" (like »cache the current view for 10 minutes instead of the default 60 minutes«)
18:46 < saracen> just because hes got so much money
18:48 < sth> saracen: impl lives in the states.
18:49 < saracen> I know
18:49 < saracen> even though its well out of his way
18:49 < saracen> I said that.
18:49 < saracen> he'd do it out of pure love
19:01 < Rayne> someone tried nginx with agavi? who tried the nginx/agavi combinatino?
19:01 < Rayne> saracen, ?
19:07  * sth packs a 'S' for saracen 
19:17 < Rayne> lol
19:21 < _cherh> Rayne, i have
19:21 < saracen> i has nginx agavi combination
19:22 < saracen> but I don't want to talk about it, I has a headache so I'm off to drill my face
19:22 < saracen> bbl
19:22 < Rayne> your result/opinion of nginx so far is positive?
19:22 < Rayne> ic
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19:27 < _cherh> it's ok. though i dislike having the added work of watching after spawn-fcgi
19:27 < Rayne> _cherh, do you use lighty's cgi spawnscript?
19:27 < _cherh> yes
19:28 < Rayne> and different php.inis and different users (=> many cgi sockets)?
19:28 < _cherh> just a single php.ini
19:28 < _cherh> i wanted to try php-fpm, but it wasnt getting patches at the time and was stuck at like 5.2.8
19:28 < Rayne> but different users/sockets?
19:28 < Rayne> hm i read something about php-fpm
19:29 < Rayne> did you try lighttpd? _cherh 
19:30 < _cherh> what do you mean # users/sockets? i've just setup the thing with a number of processes, that's it pretty much
19:30 < _cherh> yeah, but got tired of requiring to run lighttpd+apache
19:30 < _cherh> well, still need apache if you want to use svn
19:31 < Rayne> _cherh, i read that you have to run different fcgi sockets on different ports when working with users (every user has an own socket/port)
19:31 < _cherh> havent heard of such
19:32 < Rayne> do you use different users or only for instance www-data _cherh ?
19:32 < _cherh> just www-data
19:32 < Rayne> ic
19:33 < Rayne> then you need only one socket/port
19:33 < saracen> you'll probably want to use difference instances in a shared hosting env.
19:33 < saracen> I get along fine with nginx, although atm php5.3 and lighttpds spawnfcgi dont like each other. It keeps crashing, yet to figure out why
19:34 < saracen> butt hats just on dev servers, I'm still using an older version of spawnfcgi and php5.2 on production
19:34 < Rayne> do you guys run apache2 + fcgid?
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19:37 < Rayne> on my test system i had a weird issue wich apache/fcgid. every file with a file extension like .php.html ended with an error 503. i asked some guys on #httpd but they had no clue and in some forums. they reproduced the issue.
19:37 < Rayne> php itself worked fine
19:38 < Rayne> but filenames like foo.php.some.other.stuff "crashed"
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19:39 < Rayne> (i am just interested if so named files work on your apache2/fcgid system)
19:42 < _cherh> never done that combo
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21:11 < Rayne> anyone have the answer for my question posted 20:46?
21:11 < Rayne> is it possible to change the cache settings in the "user space" (like »cache the current view for 10 minutes instead of the default 60 minutes«)
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21:29 < _cherh> i ate too much :<:<
21:40 < sth> Rayne: yes
21:40 < sth> But I have no idea how
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21:43 < sth> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#caching_1
21:43 < sth> Maybe something like that I guess
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23:05 < macen> tbh
23:06 < macen> i think i'll make my own vlad/capistrino 
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03:54 < erisco> this is all so interesting
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06:21 < Jarda> Oh, there's a builtin-in content-cache in agavi?
06:27 < v-dogg> heh, yes :)
06:27 < v-dogg> a pretty versatile one too
06:31 < Jarda> actually I don't get it
06:31 < Jarda> I'm trying to figure out the one in sample app
06:32 < Jarda> what does it cache? :) not the product at least..
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09:48 < _cherh> huomenta
09:58 < _cherh> Morgan Freeman *g*
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10:26 < Rayne> damn, where is nom nom nombert? :/
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10:52 < Rayne> o hai saracen WasabiCat 
10:53 < saracen> hai
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12:38 < sth> HAi
12:55 < _cherh> what's brewing in your twisted head today sth?
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18:53 < Jarda> how would you handle javascript including?
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19:09 < Jarda> with appendParameter?
19:20 < v-dogg> .js files?
19:20 < v-dogg> or plain coed
19:21 < Jarda> .js
19:22 < Jarda> I was thinkin something like <?php if isset($t['js']) foreach($t['js'] as $js):?><script type="text/javascript" src="<?php echo $js;?>"></script>
19:22 < v-dogg> usually people stuff file names into request in the view ($ctx->getRequest()->appendParameter) and loop thru those in the master view but that can become an issue if you add caching into the mix
19:23 < Jarda> would $this->appendParameter() in the view work?
19:24 < v-dogg> would
19:24 < Jarda> is there a downside?
19:25 < v-dogg> no unless you want your .js files included inside <head>
19:26 < v-dogg> don't if it makes a difference with .js
19:26 < v-dogg> with css it is a problem
19:26 < v-dogg> as there isn't a good way to handle it as far as I know
19:27 < v-dogg> +know
19:28 < Jarda> why can't I do it in <head> then? as I can set the title from the view, and that's in <head> :)
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19:30 < v-dogg> because other slots might overwrite the parameter (so appendParameter wouldn't work as one might expect, sorry about misleading there :)
19:31 < v-dogg> or wait, no
19:31 < v-dogg> erase & rewind
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19:32 < v-dogg> hmm.. too tired to think. 
19:32 < v-dogg> the problem is slots that try to se "global" things like stuff for the master view
19:32 < v-dogg> *set
19:34 < v-dogg> but it should work - even with caching - if it's the "main" action
19:35 < v-dogg> but no guarantees there aren't any other issues I don't remember now :)
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21:19 < _cheerios> huomenta
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04:35 < erisco> HUOMENTA
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10:49 < MikeSeth> huomenta
10:49 < MikeSeth> and durr
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13:27 < codecop> hm, floating point problem, if i enter number in input like: 1.2 i will got 12 after save in DB, but if i enter 1,2 it will become 1.2 Hm what i am doing wrong i want that all site users can enter numbers like 1.2 and 1,2 not force them to use comma
13:28 < codecop> or point
13:36 < _cheerios> check your types and what you can store into them and go from there
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13:43 < codecop> i got 2 db fields, both are floats, in first input i enter num like 10,5 and got 105 BAD, on second enter 10.5 and got saved 10.5
13:43 < codecop> in validator file both filds got param type: float
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13:44 < codecop> how to make work both dot and comma separated float numbers
13:46 < _cheerios> you can't have it both ways with a float field
13:47 < Rayne> codecop, just "repair" the "bad" numbers
13:48 < codecop> theare are too many float type params...
13:49 < codecop> but of course its just a question of time
13:49 < codecop> to repair all of them
13:49 < codecop> :)
13:49 < Rayne> is it possible to change the cache settings in the "user space" (so that the cache settings are not hard coded)?
13:50 < Wombert> codecop: wrong locale
13:50 < Rayne> (i am refering to the cache life time)
13:50 < Wombert> Rayne: mmmh
13:50 < Rayne> or would i have to clear the whole cache (or parts of it if possible)?
13:50 < Wombert> Rayne: not out of the box I think
13:50 < Wombert> yes
13:55 < Rayne> is it possible to search the cached file for /route/foo with built-in tools (without doing some weird core hacking)?
13:56 < Rayne> for instance to clear the /route/foo product because i updated its content and the cache life time is over 9000
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14:32 < erisco> Wombert, *poke*
14:35 < Jarda> Wombert: please explain sample apps product cache
14:35 < Jarda> what does it cache?
14:36 < Wombert> re
14:36 < Wombert> hurr
14:36 < Wombert> Rayne: of course. it depends on what your cache groups are, that's all
14:37 < Wombert> Jarda: view result, mostly
14:37 < Wombert> erisco: hai
14:37 < Wombert> erisco: I'm slightly pressed for time at the moment as I'd like to get some things done before next week kicks me in the balls again
14:38 < erisco> Wombert, is there something I can work on particularly in the meantime?
14:38 < Wombert> not aware of anything specific, erisco 
14:38 < Wombert> I need to get some code done right now, then work on stupid srs bsns documents
14:39 < Wombert> after that, I'll head home, grab dinner, and go through a list of redracer features someone suggested to me
14:39 < Wombert> that'd be in around three, four hours
14:39 < erisco> Wombert, thanks, sounds great :)
14:39 < erisco> Wombert, I have to work today but I have Mon-Fri again as usual, so
14:39 < Jarda> Wombert: but it does call the product-model?
14:39 < Jarda> etc
14:39 < Wombert> Jarda: the cache?
14:40 < Jarda> no, the action etc
14:40 < Wombert> Jarda: no, action execution is skipped, as is view execution
14:40 < Wombert> (when it reads from the cache)
14:40 < Jarda> ok, have to dig more
14:41 < erisco> Wombert, its already the 12th of July and I do not want to waste too much time *not* working on Redracer
14:41 < Jarda> I was under that impression that it caches about nothing :D
14:41 < erisco> Wombert, although I am learning Haskell in the meantime and that is quite entertaining
14:41 < Wombert> erisco: I know
14:41 < Wombert> I promise I'll get back to you
14:41 < Wombert> heh, well there's a bright side then
14:42 < Wombert> Jarda: if you have debug on, it'll purge the cache before handling the request
14:42 < Wombert> that might be where your impression stems from :)
14:42 < Jarda> ok
14:45 < Jarda> yeah, cool
14:45 < Jarda> (stupid me, sorry..)
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15:10 < Jarda> I know this is because I don't have ActionInput.php template
15:10 < Jarda> but it would help if I got the proper message
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17:22 < macen> i'm going to be developing a PHP5.3 API with Agavi, anybody know of any books that may help? PHP 5 OOP principles would be lovely, but the new PHP 5.3 features would be awesome, etc
17:23 < _cheerios> php.net has quite a lot of docs for you on the new features
17:24 < macen> aye
17:25 < macen> phparch has a few tutorials.expected them to have the latest publications but no luck
17:26 < _cheerios> heh @ term "twintern"
17:27 < macen>  https://www2.gotomeeting.com/join/205600035/106544945 will have a webcast on July 31st
17:31 < macen> 6pm uk time, if i calculated it correctly
17:31 < macen> 1:00 PM - 2:00 PM EDT
17:31 < _cheerios> can't recall ever watching a webcast
17:32 < macen> why?
17:32 < _cheerios> i prefer something to download instantly
17:32 < macen> you can usually ask questions though
17:32 < _cheerios> (or stream), as long as it's THERE NAO!
17:32 < macen> like PA creators hour
17:33 < macen> https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/205600035
17:33 < macen> that sort of thing
17:34 < macen> i left uni to do a webcast course
17:34 < macen> (yes, by Zend...)
17:35 < _cheerios> meh. not my thing. i'll read the notes made by someone.
17:36 < sth> macen: There's a cool ebook floating around, The little API book or something like that
17:37 < macen> oh?
17:37 < macen> no more keywords i can search with?
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17:37 < macen> i'm looking for anything 
17:37 < macen> a place to start etc
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17:42 < _cheerios> sth, this one? http://chaos.troll.no/~shausman/api-design/api-design.pdf
17:44 < sth> Yeah
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17:47 < Wombert> ohai
17:48 < sth> Hai
17:48 < _cheerios> haio
17:49  * sth goes back to watching Firefly
17:53 < macen> ty sth
17:53 < sth> yw
18:05 < sth> Wombert: I noticed that the jack plug on this set of headphones are different to the last pair
18:35 < _cheerios> o_O a finnish startup in news http://www.dazzboard.com/en/ not many of these
18:36 < _cheerios> X-Powered-By: ASP.NET, eehhh? who are these guys :D
18:38 < sth> I need to stop giving people links.
18:38 < sth> Wombert just posts them to twitter
18:44 < Wombert> sth: how are they different?
18:47 < sth> The jack is made from plastic instead of a rubber covering
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19:04 < _cheerios> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je1KOcBYGjM flash mobs
19:04 < _cheerios> still waiting for videos to pop up for the one i attended last week where i was dancing like a muppet
19:05 < sth> heh
19:05 < sth> I like the hammer one
19:06 < sth> Flash mobs are awesome
19:07 < sth> They should have done thriller
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19:35 < Jarda> is there a nice svn gui for os x?
19:36 < sth> Versions
19:36 < sth> But as if learned, cli is quicker than GUI apps
19:37 < sth> s/is/are/
19:39 < Jarda> well, too used to tortoisesvn at work
19:40 < sth> It helped that I have Wombert as a boss, so if it's not perfect and effecient he'll kill me
19:49 < Wombert> :p
19:50 < Wombert> sth: did you switch to command line then?
19:50 < _cheerios> cmd line for doing vc stuff? madness :)
19:51 < sth> Wombert: Yeah
19:51 < sth> I've been using it for the last couple of weeks
19:51 < Wombert> sth: and you like it?
19:51 < sth> It's quicker
19:51 < Wombert> cool :)
19:51 < Wombert> for some operations, a gui is good
19:51 < Wombert> e.g. committing 74 of 109 files
19:51 < sth> I tend to like cli apps more than gui apps anyway
19:51 < Wombert> in 52 folders
19:52 < _cheerios> i just like seeing all the changes made, before committing -- checking that things are alright; doing that via CLI :eek
19:52 < Wombert> svn diff | editor
19:53 < Wombert> :p
19:53 < _cheerios> that's not pure cli anymore, cheat
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19:53 < sth> svn diff | vi
19:54 < _cheerios> if the result is a bunch of text like i imagine it would, it'd still be not so pleasant
19:55 < _cheerios> instead of being able to quickly flip between files and use that monitor space we all like
19:55 < Wombert> svn diff | mate and you get colorized stuffz
19:55 < Wombert> but then, you're on a lunix system that crashes all the time
19:55 < Wombert> so no textmate for you
19:55 < Wombert> :)
19:56 < sth> heh
19:56 < _cheerios> macs only fail once a year when you buy a new one... i mean, repair it, that costs nearly a new one :)
19:56 < sth> I need to start planning my side project.
19:56 < sth> _cheerios: I get a new mac every year regardless
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20:59 < Wombert> so
20:59 < Wombert> noooooo where is erisco
20:59 < Wombert> :<
21:00 < Wombert> Jarda: 
21:00 < Wombert> [17:10] Jarda: PHP error E_NOTICE ob_end_clean() [ref.outcontrol]: failed to delete buffer. No buffer to delete. in /......./libs/agavi/exception/AgaviException.class.php:71
21:00 < Wombert> [17:10] Jarda: I know this is because I don't have ActionInput.php template
21:00 < Wombert> [17:10] Jarda: but it would help if I got the proper message
21:00 < Wombert> funny that
21:00 < sth> I hid his body under the sofa in the office.
21:00 < Wombert> sth: :D
21:00 < Wombert> sth: so I found that bug in PHP
21:00 < Wombert> with the \r\n and "header"
21:00 < Wombert> now
21:00 < sth> He just knew too much
21:00 < Wombert> how to test that?
21:00 < Wombert> I mean, I'd have to make a POST request somewhere, and then read the *request* PHP sent
21:01 < Wombert> now check out this sick shit
21:01 < Wombert> http://svn.php.net/viewvc/php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/ext/standard/tests/http/
21:01 < Wombert> server.inc
21:01 < Wombert> awesome
21:01 < sth> There you go :)
21:01 < sth> Break out gcc
21:01 < Wombert>  * $output is a stream on which everything sent by clients is written to
21:01 < Wombert>  */
21:01 < Wombert> function http_server($socket_string, array $files, &$output = null) {
21:01 < Wombert> I must buy that guy a beer
21:02 < sth> Wow, a http server in a function
21:03 < Wombert> it's ace
21:03 < Wombert> it forks off a process that listens
21:03 < Wombert> and the kick ass thing is
21:03 < Wombert> that thing sends back the request it got in a stream
21:03 < Wombert> THROUGH THE FUCKING FORK THING
21:03 < Wombert> I have no clue how that works
21:03 < Wombert> it's witchcraft
21:03 < Wombert> I'm also sceptical if it works :D
21:05 < sth> I think I've figured out how it works
21:05 < Wombert> what
21:05 < _cheerios> btw. tried firefox 3.5 today.. it couldn't find my internet connection. quite bugged that 3.5 is :<
21:05 < sth> It's voodoo in the stream methods
21:05 < sth> _cheerios: using windows?
21:06 < _cheerios> ubuntu 9.04
21:06 < _cheerios> googled around and it seems theres dozens of others with the same problem. hopefully 3.5.1 coming shortly.
21:06 < sth> There's an awesome fault with firefox for windows, I presume it does similar things in other OSs
21:06 < Wombert> _cheerios: I'm sure it'll work if you recompile the kernel
21:06 < sth> In windows at least, it uses the temp dirs to see a random number generator
21:06 < _cheerios> VERY FUNNY WOMBIE
21:07 < _cheerios> yeah, i read that. *g*
21:07 < sth> So if the temp dirs have the slightest bit of content, it takes like 30-60 secs to start
21:07 < Wombert> see, this is why I use safari
21:07 < sth> I presume it scans /tmp on mac os x and ubuntu
21:07 < Wombert> because it's not some rotten crap shit
21:07 < Wombert> WEBKIT FTW
21:08 < Wombert> END OF STORY
21:08 -!- Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.1 :: maintenance: 0.11.7 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) ::  have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://ohloh.net/p/agavi :: logs at http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC :: WEBKIT FTW
21:08 < sth> heh
21:08 < sth> WebKit is pretty cool
21:08 < sth> first to pass the acid3 tests
21:08 < impl> ACID3 is bullshit and you know it
21:09 < Wombert> impl: THERE YOU ARE
21:09 < sth> SO'S YOUR FACE
21:09 < Wombert> impl: halpz plz
21:09 < Wombert> also, how are you doing
21:09 < impl> I need to pack.
21:09 < Wombert> oh
21:09 < Wombert> :<
21:09 < Wombert> ah well, it can wait
21:09 < sth> Wombert: pwnd.
21:09 < impl> Wombert: No, ask. I'm too lazy to get up atm.
21:10 < Wombert> impl: it takes a minute or two, and you're not on jabber, which I guess means you have better things to do
21:10 < Wombert> <3
21:10 < impl> no
21:10 < Wombert> OR WILL YOU NEVER COME BACK
21:10 < impl> I can't get Kopete to connect to Jabber
21:10 < impl> and I'm too lazy to fix it
21:10 < Wombert> :<
21:10 < impl> because your stupid fucking OS X Jabber server is a piece of shit
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21:15 < sth> u r
21:17 < _cheerios> i got firefox 3.5 to responder, network.dns.disableIPv6=>true and voila. seems my router/isp doesn't like ipv6 dns requests.
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21:21 < sth> _cheerios: do you have a ipv6 connection?
21:21 < _cheerios> i have no idea what goes on in the network
21:29 < Wombert> I can tell you
21:29 < Wombert> it's like a series of tubes
21:30 < sth> lol
21:30 < sth> It's not something you can dump large amounts of information on
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21:44 < _cheerios> was it somehow possible to for pdo to "lazily" go thru a big resultset, so you dont need pagination with LIMIT set by yourself? that is, just throwing a select * from table to a loop?
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22:00 < sth> It's raining again. :/
22:03 < Wombert> sth: on behalf of the Axis powers, I apologize
22:03 < Wombert> _cheerios: cursors
22:03 < Wombert> mysql doesn't have then
22:03 < Wombert> *them
22:04 < sth> Stupid Axis forces. The Allied will march into Berlin for this..
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22:36 < _cheerios> hrm. annoying infinite loop by having a doubleslash in the route, and then doing a redirect with ro->gen to a child route, it appends the url to the existing one... /foo/bar//crap becomes /foo/bar//crap/foo/bar/crap/crap
22:42 < _cheerios> or in this case, doesnt matter where i redirect. good ol doubleslash 1, agavi 0 :<
22:53 < _cheerios> looking at AgaviWebRequest::initialize() $this->urlScheme = 'http' . (strtolower($HTTPS) == 'on' ? 's' : ''); $this->urlHost = preg_replace('/\]\:' . preg_quote($port, '/') . '$/', '', $SERVER_NAME); im just wondering why not use parse_url() when php provides it
22:59 < _cheerios> ah well. seems that code didnt do what i thought it did. need to install xdebug to find out where things go wrong. i guess now a quick fix is to remove ro->gen(null) from any generated urls. meh.
23:01 < _cheerios> lol @ people betting on where a cow would shit, and actually follow such a spectacle
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07:26 < v-dogg> huomenta
07:28 < Wombert> huomenta v-dogg 
07:28 < Wombert> up late today? :>
07:30 < Jarda> huomenta
07:31 < ttj> Yo.
07:32 < Wombert> yoyo, ttj 
07:32 < Jarda> I have inputs like: checkboxes: foo[1][enabled], foo[2][enabled] etc and text-inputs: foo[1][field1], foo[1][field2], foo[2][field1], foo[2][field2].. I want field1 and field2 validated always, but I want to trigger an error if foo[<id>][enabled] is set and according fields are _not_ set
07:35 < v-dogg> Wombert: holiday :)
07:36 < horros> v-dogg: You too? My vacation started _today_ \o/
07:36 < horros> ps. Huomenta
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07:40 < v-dogg> yeah
07:40 < v-dogg> me here zipping my hot cappucino :)
07:41 < horros> I'm sipping on my fresh Presidentti-coffee and reading Schwaber's Agile Project Management with Scrum
07:41 < Jarda> _quiet_ at the office...
07:41 < horros> Which is perhaps a bit sad, I have to admit.
07:42 < ttj> v-dogg: Hmm... If it's your vacation, what are you doing up so early?-)
07:42 < Jarda> ttj: you will learn after you have kids of your own..
07:42 < ttj> That's cruel.
07:45 < Jarda> Wombert: should depends="foo[%2$s][bar]" work? (the same syntax as in export)
07:45 < ttj> But there is absolutelyt no one at the office. Have to have lunch alone, apparently. :(
07:45 < Wombert> Jarda: I don't think so
07:45 < Wombert> Jarda: pastie config plz kthx
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07:46 < Jarda> can I do it in query? :)
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07:48 < Jarda> well, ly. :(
07:48 < Jarda> 10:45:48 <   Wombert> Jarda: I don't think so
07:48 < Jarda> what
07:48 < Jarda> http://codepad.org/OQgHCTmC
07:49 < Jarda> that's it now. I would like to have it so, that everything gets validated, but other fiels would be required only when Enabled is set
07:52 < Jarda> I could of course do it in validateWrite() but it's not elegant :)
07:52 < sth> haha today's dilbert is awesome http://dilbert.com/
07:54 < graste> huomenta
07:54 < fnordfish> huomenta
07:55 < ttj> sth: Our company is trying to take away paper cups and gave everyone a real, ceramic coffee mug. :)
07:55 < sth> That's fine.
07:56 < ttj> There was a brilliant arbitrage opportunity earlier: take all the real coffee mugs and then when they're a scarce resource, you can start selling them... Instant profit!
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08:00 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:01 < sth> HAI!
08:08 < horros> Top Gear time!
08:12 < sth> We watch it after work
08:29  * Wombert stabs horros 
08:29 < Wombert> DO NOT TELL
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09:18 < horros> Rather good episode :)
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09:56 < MikeSeth> ummm
09:56 < MikeSeth> can I match POST arguments in routes?
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10:07 < sth> Doubt it
10:08 < MikeSeth> yeah, I'll write a callback
10:41 < MikeSeth> mmp
10:41 < MikeSeth> views can return resource identifiers right?
10:41 < MikeSeth> riiight
10:47 < sth> yup
10:49 < Wombert> you can MikeSeth 
10:49 < Wombert> register it a s
10:49 < Wombert> as a source
10:49 < Wombert> similar to _SERVER and _ENV that are already there
10:49 < sth> This is awesome
10:50 < Wombert> (check startup())
10:50 < Wombert> sth: what
10:50 < sth> I've setup wildcard system on my mac without a dns server
10:50 < sth> So I now have *.srsbsns.dev 
10:50 < Wombert> orly
10:51 < sth> itrly.
10:51 < sth> err rly*
10:51 < sth> It's pretty cool, it uses a pac file
10:53 < saracen> I had to pretend to be German the otherday
10:53 < Wombert> why
10:55 < saracen> Not in real life, but I intend to when a similar situation occurs. I was having an argument with somebody that was wrong on the internet. I made a spelling mistake, and somebody else corrected me. To shield myself, I said "I'm german", which actually fixed it. It could have gone either way really and not prevented further abuse
10:55 < sth> Nope, I can't think of any puns.
10:55 < saracen> But it did
10:57  * sth hums the top gear theme
11:06 < MikeSeth> Wombert: I've seen it, but I went around with proper restful way - substituting in-form action URL ;>
11:06 < MikeSeth> (i wrote a reporting system, and you can select the output format, which loosely coincides with agavi output types)
11:08 < MikeSeth> you aren't supposed to switch output types from within the view right?
11:09 < MikeSeth> saracen: the proper response is "stfu grammar nazi"
11:09 < MikeSeth> lol
11:12 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: you can in initialize and imo in a case like that (user selects the output type per request) it is completely ok
11:13 < v-dogg> but I guess custom routing w/ _POST routing source would be even a tad nicer solution
11:14 < MikeSeth> actually im not convinved its even warrantied, since [in my reporting system] there are only two principal output types, rendered HTML and files
11:15 < ttj> http://toucharcade.com/2009/07/10/enviro-bear-2010-the-best-bear-driving-simulator-in-the-app-store/
11:15 < luke`> What is the best way to setup agavi to use a REST backend than a database? Should I create a REST manager like a database manager?
11:15 < v-dogg> pedo bear driving simulator
11:17 < MikeSeth> luke`: I have a FooBarBackendProxy class which implements restful access to another Agavi app
11:17 < MikeSeth> luke`: works like a charm
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11:18 < MikeSeth> you can even integrate it as a model
11:18 < luke`> MikeSeth: does it integrate into the context like a database manager?
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11:18 < MikeSeth> not really, it's pretty much $client = FooBarBackendProxy::getInstance(); $result = $client->query($route, $args)
11:18 < _cheerios> ttj, ace :)
11:20 < luke`> Have you implemented it as a singleton agavi model?
11:20 < MikeSeth> nope, just a standalone class in libs/
11:32 < Wombert> singleton might be better
11:33 < Wombert> and configure it somewhere to read the backend from a config
11:33 < luke`> yeah... that it was I had in mind
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12:59 < sth> astraweb sucked.
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13:11 < sth> (nsfw language) http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4616/pleasebemorecareful.jpg
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13:28 < Jarda> qnice
13:30 < sth> Either dogs a mule or he's eating them or... :P
13:32 < jpdery> lalw
13:32 < jpdery> That's a nice way to begin this week
13:32 < sth> yup
13:33 < sth> There's nothing like humour
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13:39 < MikeSeth> hurr durr
13:40 < MikeSeth> the dog doesn't look happy
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13:47 < jpdery> Mike, I agree
13:49 < sth> Either "OH" on twitter means something or else there's a lot of people with the initials of OH
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14:03 < Wombert> sth: "overheard"
14:04 < sth> Oh, that makes perfect sense now :)
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14:36 < erisco> l
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16:02 < sth> Wombert: Can I haz top gear now? 
16:02 < Wombert> sth: gimme some minutes kthx
16:11 < MikeSeth> oh man what is it with you top gear greaks
16:11 < MikeSeth> s/greaks/freaks/
16:11  * MikeSeth doesn't get the car fetish
16:12 < impl> they like the show because it makes fun of Americans :(
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16:19 < WasabiCat> agavi rocks!
16:19 < MikeSeth> sure does
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16:26 < sth> I prefer symfony.
16:27 < MikeSeth> Wombert: hey want to fire an intern? 
16:27 < MikeSeth> :D
16:28 < sth> symfony is the real mojavi fork.
16:29 < MikeSeth> did it much good :D
16:30 < Wombert> rofl :D
16:31 < graste> -.-
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16:47 < saracen> 17:11:48  * MikeSeth doesn't get the car fetish
16:47 < saracen> Liking top gear has little to do with cars
16:48 < saracen> I don't really have an interest in cars, but its cool because of the awesome things they do
16:48 < saracen> thats why everybodys mum watches it
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17:59 < _cheerios> moo
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18:13 < Jarda> I like the way they tease Hammond
18:13 < Jarda> (or whatever his name was..)
18:14 < MikeSeth> eh
18:14 < Jarda> aabout his height
18:14 < Jarda> only watched a few episodes though
18:14 < MikeSeth> ... I have no idea whatcha talking aout
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18:53 < saracen> MikeSeth: He was talking about hammond, a presenter on Top gear :P
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18:59 < sth> wesome, a bug in safari 4
18:59 < sth> awesome*
19:02 < saracen> is it that it runs better on a mac?
19:03 < sth> That and when I scrolled it turned the page to greyscale
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19:24 < graste> prolly a feature (if you ask apple)
19:24 < sth> lol
19:24 < MikeSeth> "PLEASE REPORT FEATURES IN OUR FEATURE TRACKER"
19:24 < sth> "THE NEW ULTIMATE GREYSCALE BROWSER, 100% MORE GREY THAN OTHER BROWSERS!@
19:24 < sth> "
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20:54 < _cheerios> http://github.com/dsp/php/tree/master
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22:12 < mob_yo> huomenta fellow developers
22:13 < sth> Hey
22:13 < mob_yo> has anyone here ever gotten an exception like this?
22:13 < mob_yo> Could not find file for View "Edit/MainError" in module "Neighborhoods"
22:14 < sth> I'd guess you don't have view file for Neighborhoods.Edit.MainError
22:14 < mob_yo> it's there, and if I rename it I get this instead: Could not find View "Edit_MainError" for module "Neighborhoods"
22:15 < sth> Does the template exist?
22:15 < mob_yo> yes, and renaming that doesn't change the exception message
22:16 < sth> Seems odd
22:16 < mob_yo> what other files does the view need?
22:16 < sth> That should be it
22:16 < mob_yo> hmm
22:17 < sth> Action/View/Template should be all the files
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06:41 < sth> Morning
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06:58 < horros> Huomenta.
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08:00 < graste> huomenta
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08:02 < sth> Hey graste 
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08:06 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:33 < codecop> huomenta
08:37 < _cheerios> ha! feels good to be right about a piece of code, written by someone else, as to why it didn't work and just applying patch -- and it works :D
08:44 < sth> Is there a %core.app_dir% for agavi?
08:44 < sth> That goes to the app dir?
08:46 < sth> Just found app_dir
08:46 < sth> :P
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09:13 < horros> Man, I can hardly wait.
09:13 < horros> Three hours until dentist! \o/
09:14 < sth> Yay!
09:14 < horros> I hope they rip out that fucking wisdom tooth immediately.
09:14 < horros> :x
09:14 < sth> Doubt it
09:15 < sth> They'll just fill it
09:15 < horros> Fill it? There's no hole in it as far as I know. It's just attempting to emerge or something
09:15 < horros> and half of my face is hurting as a result of it.
09:15 < sth> Oh, that it?
09:15 < sth> Girl
09:16 < sth> "OH MY WISDOM TEETH ARE COMING THROUGH"
09:16 < horros> I also have some very sore hard lumps under/beside my cheekbone that's making it agonising to swallow
09:16 < horros> Which is a bit annoying because I'm hungry and I can't really eat anything.
09:17 < horros> I thought wisdom teeth would stay stationary after like 25.
09:17 < horros> :x
09:17 < Jarda> I have all mine removed, and I'm 23
09:18 < horros> I'm 27 and I have all of them left in my gob.
09:18 < sth> I still have mine
09:18 < sth> Mind you, I've got awesome teeth in the sense of, I've never had a single filling
09:18 < Jarda> me neither
09:18 < horros> sth: I've had one.
09:19  * horros Rotz & Wasser - Bleib niemals stehen!
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09:22 < horros> ~/ Biertrinken ist wichtig, singen wir seit Jahren! Sehen wir die Preise, wer soll das bezahlen? Deshalb forden wir, Freibier on Mass! Ganz egal ob aus Flashen oder vom Fass! ~/
09:22 < horros> lalalala
09:22  * horros boggles
09:22 < sth> Stupid German language
09:24 < horros> sth: Want me to attempt to translate?-)
09:25 < sth> Go for it
09:25 < sth> I should really learn more German
09:25 < graste> :D
09:25 < horros> "We've been singing for years that drinking beer is important. we see the price, who is going to pay? regardless, we demand, quantities of free beer! it doesn't matter if it's bottled or from a keg!"
09:26 < horros> or something along those lines.
09:26 < horros> I wonder what google translate has to say about this!
09:27 < horros> I seem to have been correct!
09:27 < horros> Beer drinking is important, we are singing for years! Let
09:27 < horros> the prices of who should pay? Therefore, we demand free beer on Mass! No matter whether or flash from the barrel!
09:27 < horros> :)
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09:42 < _cheerios> i can't believe ppl still have their wisdom teeth being >20
09:43 < _cheerios> always thought that was kids stuff before all these stories
09:44 < sth> Why would one not have their wisdom teeth?
09:44 < ttj> _cheerios: Are you sure you aren't mixing viisaudenhammas with maitohammas?
09:46 < _cheerios> ttj, no. i had all 4 removed when i was like 14; thus thought it was normal for that age
09:46 < horros> _cheerios: They don't usually remove them unless they trouble you
09:46 < horros> ...anymore.
09:46 < ttj> I don't think they're removed unless there's a specific problem or if they can do it as part of some other operation.
09:46 < horros> Different story back in the 80s/early 90s
09:46 < _cheerios> k, could be i was problematic *g* i'll buy that
09:47 < horros> Hell, I even hear they remove "hammaskivi" with ultrasound these days
09:47 < horros> unstead of those horrible-looking hooks they used 10 years ago
09:47 < horros> instead*
09:47 < ttj> They still use hooks. Just go to YTHS for the service that they give university students.
09:47 < _cheerios> i still get hooked when they scratch mine :<
09:47 < horros> I can't go to YTHS
09:48 < horros> I haven't paid my student fees for three years :)
09:48 < ttj> I stopped paying the guild fee. I wonder if they'll throw me out of the nerd club now. :(
09:48 < horros> I never did pay the nerd club fee.
09:48 < horros> But I still went to their free-drinks parties :D
09:48 < horros> I don't think anyone actually knew that I hadn't paid a dime.
09:49 < sth> I need to pay for my BCS membership
09:49 < sth> But I didn't use it before hand, so screw it
09:53 < _cheerios> heh @ logo designs that aren't overly clear http://tinyurl.com/ktu4j3
09:53 < Jarda> D:
09:53 < _cheerios> i looked, saw "just fat" -- then read on the article why anyone would call their fast food chain like that, and it's "just eat"
09:53 < horros> :D
09:54 < horros> _cheerios: You saw that church logo from Oulu?
09:54 < _cheerios> can
09:54 < _cheerios> can't remember
09:54 < horros> Hold on a sec
09:55 < sth> I can't help but think their tag line is: ...and pay.
09:55 < horros> _cheerios: http://www.oulunseurakunnat.fi/uutiset//5/elossa_fi_antaa_kirkolle_uutta_ilmetta
09:55 < horros> :D :D :D
09:56 < horros> (scroll down to the bottom of the page)
09:58 < _cheerios> looks like a high school students prank
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10:14 < stachu> hello
10:14 < stachu> I just wrote soap configuration for an action and i have problem cause it doesnt pass validation. I know that parameters are valid except that array is represented by stdClass.
10:14 < stachu> Should I write filter which casts stdClasses to arrays or there is another way to avoid generating stdClass?
10:22 < stachu> I can add to this that action requires parameter 'item' which is an array(array( 'title' => ... ) ...) and i use array of complexType in soap configuration if somebody dont understand what i am asking for
10:23 < MikeSeth> mmmman 
10:23 < MikeSeth> Agavi + Dwoo = victolee
10:24 < MikeSeth> stachu: which array?
10:25 < MikeSeth> I don't actually know how SOAP works so I have no idea how to adjust validation for it :<
10:31 < stachu> there is explained my problem in few lines: http://pastebin.com/m246d9b84
10:34 < MikeSeth> ohh 
10:34 < MikeSeth> i see but I donno how soap works so I don't have a solution here
10:34 < _cheerios> HUZZZAAAA
10:34 < MikeSeth> ask the devs :<
10:35 < _cheerios> ask the xml-perverts like Womberts
10:35 < sth> YAY!
10:36 < stachu> :)
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12:03 < MikeSeth> hmmmm
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12:10 < saracen> ITS WAHNING
12:21 < Xylakant> MikeSeth: soap should not need any special validation at all
12:22 < Wombert> MikeSeth: eh?
12:23 < MikeSeth> Xylakant: I'm not the one with soap questions tho
12:23 < Xylakant> ah
12:23 < Xylakant> I just read the line MikeSeth: i see but I donno how soap works so I don't have a solution here
12:23 < MikeSeth> Wombert: I wrote a reporting engine, the action sets up validators according to the report type, which is in $rd
12:24 < Wombert> yeah stachu, the stdClass stuff is done by ext/soap
12:24 < MikeSeth> ...which is unvalidated by the time registerXXXValidators() runs
12:24 < Xylakant> stachu: you need to pass an option to get arrays as arrays, not as stdclass objects
12:24 < Wombert> MikeSeth: yeah. chicken and egg problem
12:24 < Wombert> Xylakant: no
12:24 < Wombert> it's not an array
12:24 < Wombert> it's an object
12:24 < Wombert> SoapClient is just liberal in what it accepts
12:25 < MikeSeth> Wombert: i hacked it with reading unvalidated request data directly; but a correct solution here involves a routing callback anyway
12:25 < Wombert> so it turns his assoc array into an object, then encodes it according to the wsdl
12:25 < MikeSeth> by the way, is required= attribute in validation configuration mapped to validator parameters?
12:26 < MikeSeth> (ie how do I make validator required when creating it manually?)
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12:29 < graste> MikeSeth: 4th parameter
12:30 < MikeSeth> thought so
12:30 < graste> try something like that and tell me if it works: http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_6
12:30 < graste> =)
12:32 < MikeSeth> oh it works alright ;>
12:32 < graste> :)
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12:43 < stachu> Womber: so what is the solution
12:43 < stachu> i have added to base action http://pastebin.com/m509c2b97
12:43 < stachu> and know it works
12:44 < stachu> now*
12:45 < Wombert> nonono stachu 
12:45 < Wombert> <configuration context="soap">
12:45 < Wombert>   <validators>...
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12:49 < stachu> its a lot of actions with many validators - does it make sense to duplicate each validator and write validators for stdclass? Or do you mean to cast this classes in request using validator and export() method?
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13:41 < CIA-56> kirila * r4193 /trunk/test/tests/unit/config/AgaviConfigTest.php: The same AgaviConfigTest just with commented lines that do not work yet
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13:53 < _cheerios> what could be wrong in eth0 inet static setup still if address+netmask+gateway arent enough to get the packets flowing?
13:55 < CIA-56> kirila * r4194 /trunk/test/tests/unit/config/AgaviConfigTest.php: AgaviConfigTest.php with failing tests
13:56 < _cheerios> nm. typo'd the netmask.
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14:15 < hzilla> having a bit of a prob with my dev setup. on osx libxml 2.7.3 compiled in. libxslt is 1.1.24 but it says its compiled against libxml 2.6.16 (i think that's the leopard bundled version). Is that going to create a problem? i'm getting a segfault at the moment
14:17 < horros> hzilla: http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/898
14:18 < hzilla> ok thanks will test a bit more
14:22 < hzilla> yeh looks like that's the problem... :(
14:27 < _cheerios> gah, managed to get os installed without resolvconf.... kinda tough to get updates
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14:30 < _cheerios> err, wrong settings only // this is what staying in ze office past 5 does to you :)
14:31 < MikeSeth> heh
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14:34 < Wombert> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-agavipt1/
14:34 < Wombert> eternal win is eternal
14:34 < Wombert> digg it, reddit it, tweet it, blog it, tumble it, and most of all, comment and rate it
14:36 < Wombert> yeah hzilla, that's quite likely going to cause troubles
14:37 < _cheerios> nice
14:41 < hzilla> well the strange thing is that my libxslt build is correctly linked to libxml 2.7.3 (as indicated by xsltproc) so therefore i think its a php compilation issue... noticed some weirdness in the makefile so having a tinker to see if i can fix it
14:41 < _cheerios> with php you need to compile both libxml + libxslt, otherwise libxslt will point somewhere else
14:42 < _cheerios> (and possible libxml too)
14:42 < _cheerios> happened to me atleast
14:42 < _cheerios> -> home
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14:42 < Wombert> it *could* be just the headers that are wrong
14:42 < Wombert> happened to me before
14:43 < hzilla> yeh i'm trying that by hacking the makefile
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14:51 < hzilla> yup fixed it
14:51 < hzilla> i'll post my method on trac
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16:27 < mob_yo> hello
16:27 < mob_yo> does anyone here use config/validators.xml? What's that for?
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17:06 < Wombert> mob_yo: you can use it to set up common validators or validator definitions
17:06 < Wombert> look at src/config/defaults/validators.xml (which all validation configs inherit from)
17:06 < sth> oh hai
17:06 < Wombert> flaky internets
17:07 < sth> Get a better ineternet card
17:07 < sth> nternet*
17:07 < sth> ARSE
17:07 < sth> Internet*
17:07 < Wombert> sth: germany is big
17:07 < sth> You're not in Germany
17:07 < Wombert> if you go 300kph on a train in the countryside
17:07 < Wombert> reliable internets can be hard to get
17:07 < Wombert> I am
17:07 < Wombert> still, anyway
17:08 < Wombert> two hours until I hit switzerland
17:08 < Wombert> stopped at a station right now
17:08 < Wombert> 3g
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17:08 < sth> yuck
17:08 < Wombert> full speed hs[du]pa
17:08 < Wombert> <3
17:08 < sth> HSPDA
17:09 < Wombert> no
17:09 < Wombert> HSDPA :p
17:09 < Wombert> and HSUPA
17:09 < Wombert> vodafone <3
17:20 < jpdery_> Wombert: how much speed do you get from your 3g network ?
17:20 < Wombert> depends
17:20 < Wombert> up to 7.2mbps
17:21 < jpdery_> did  you hit that speed ?
17:21 < Wombert> if I'm in an area that covers that speed, yes
17:21 < jpdery_> ok
17:21 < jpdery_> seems mine is limited to 1.5mbps
17:22 < erisco> Wombert, do you live on a train or something?
17:22 < jpdery_> lol
17:23 < jpdery_> but still, 1.5mbps... 200kb/sec is very good for ma standards
17:23 < erisco> you mean 200kB surely
17:24 < jpdery_> bytes 
17:24 < jpdery_> bytes = B (caps) ?
17:24 < erisco> yeah, bits is lowercase b
17:24 < jpdery_> :o
17:25 < Wombert> :)
17:25 < Wombert> erisco: occastionally
17:25 < Wombert> -t
17:25 < erisco> that is why it is 1.5Mb, because that looks much bigger than 0.1875MB
17:25 < erisco> Wombert, I hope they are comfortable, those fast trains, being on them that long
17:26 < Wombert> could be worse yeah
17:26 < erisco> Wombert, I don't think we have any of them over here anywhere nearby
17:26 < Wombert> erisco: btw felix is taking care of the redracer roadmap
17:26 < jpdery_> Wombert: are you tethering from an iPhone ?
17:26 < Wombert> great. in a station, no 3G
17:27 < Wombert> fucking backwards state
17:27 < erisco> jpdery_, its okay, I never used to know about the capitalization distinction. I also learned how to peal a banana yesterday. do I ever feel like a fool now
17:27 < Wombert> bavaria ftw!
17:27 < Wombert> jpdery_: no
17:27 < sth> Bavaria fails.
17:27 < Wombert> jpdery_: iphone tops out at 3.6Mbits and has no HSUPA
17:27 < sth> I demand excellent weather
17:27 < Wombert> erisco: how did you peel a banana before
17:27 < Wombert> sth: yeah sorry, my apologies. I promise next summer will be better
17:27 < sth> heh
17:27 < sth> It better be
17:27 < erisco> Wombert, from the stem
17:28 < Wombert> and I sincerely hope this one will turn out to be fabulous after all
17:28 < sth> What's winter like? really cold?
17:28 < Wombert> <:
17:28 < Wombert> erisco: rofl?
17:28 < Wombert> sth: yeah and proper snow
17:28 < Wombert> well depends on the winter. sometimes, not so much snow, sometimes apocalyptic
17:28 < Wombert> last one was reasonable IIRC
17:28 < erisco> Wombert, in fact I never seen a banana peeled from anything but the stem. North Americans need a lot of teaching to catch up to primates
17:28 < Wombert> moving, prolly gonna lose signal soon
17:29 < Wombert> erisco: ahahahaha
17:29 < erisco> Wombert, so Europeans have always opened it from the "bottom" as well?
17:29 < Wombert> well from the long part thing that sticks out
17:29 < Wombert> you rip that and it opens
17:29  * erisco sighs
17:29 < Wombert> wait, that's how you do it, right?
17:29 < erisco> the long thing part that sticks out is the *stem*
17:29 < Wombert> that *is* the stem, right?
17:30 < Wombert> sth: help me with terminology here
17:30 < erisco> that is how we do it... or I *used* to do it
17:30 < Wombert> erisco: but that's the right way to open it
17:30 < Wombert> erisco: how else would you open it
17:30 < erisco> Wombert, no it is not
17:30 < erisco> Wombert, you would open it like a monkey
17:30 < erisco> Wombert, next time you have a banana, try pinching the black part on the other end of the banana (opposite end of the stem)
17:30 < sth> I call it the stalk/stem/long bit
17:30 < erisco> Wombert, it will split open very easily and you can peel it
17:31 < jpdery_> wow
17:31 < Wombert> butbutbut that ruins the banana
17:31 < erisco> Wombert, how so?
17:31 < Wombert> also, how is pulling the stem *not* easy
17:31 < erisco> you do not end up mushing it trying to get the stubborn stem to peel back
17:31 < sth> It is.
17:31 < sth> Buy sometimes the stem doesn't break
17:31 < sth> So you end up with mush
17:31 < Wombert> true
17:31 < jpdery_> all these smart guys... talking about the right way to peel a banana
17:32 < erisco> you do not squeeze the banana, you squeeze the black part on the end of the skin
17:32 < sth> heh
17:32 < erisco> there is no mush and no fuss
17:32  * Wombert blinks in disbelief
17:32 < erisco> I recommend getting a banana asap to try out this technique, it is what I did
17:32  * Wombert looks for the hidden camera
17:32 < Wombert> rofl
17:32 < Wombert> okay, deal
17:33 < Wombert> like squeeze the sides of the end part, right?
17:34 < erisco> Wombert, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGK7x6KjbjM&feature=related
17:34 < erisco> Wombert, I have found many such tutorials describing how to do this
17:35 < erisco> that is just one and not the first one I saw
17:35 < erisco> oh, this one is more brief: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inzk2fTUe1w&feature=related
17:36 < sth> I swear there's something wrong with my macbook
17:36 < erisco> Wombert, this can be an ice breaker for your next presentation ;)
17:36 < jpdery_> but that makes you look like a monkey ...
17:37 < erisco> jpdery_, better than making monkeys look more intelligent
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17:39 < mob_yo> no that's bs
17:39 < mob_yo> I'm a north american and I'm not retarded
17:40 < mob_yo> who wants to have to pull off that nub on the end once it's peeled
17:40 < sth> Of course not... :)
17:40 < mob_yo> the guy who made that video is fucking retarded
17:40 < erisco> mob_yo, I provided a link to a nationality-stereotype-free tutorial ;)
17:40 < mob_yo> yea I appreciate that
17:41 < erisco> mob_yo, you do not pull off the nub at all, it saves you all the hassle
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17:41 < erisco> mob_yo, if by nub you mean stem
17:41 < mob_yo> by the way, thanks for answering my question Wombert
17:42 < mob_yo> no I mean the crunchy part at the bottom that no one wants to eat
17:42 < mob_yo> but look, I'm not about to start a debate about the proper way to eat a bananna
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17:42 < erisco> mob_yo, oh, heh :P yes, you will have to discard of that part because it usually does not come away with the skin. however, if you are eating a banana, you are already in need of disposing the peel, so this should not be a problem
17:43 < mob_yo> everyone perceives this differently; it's not like it's *criminal* to eat it one way or the other
17:43 < sth> And now back to watching Firefly
17:43 < mob_yo> ;)
17:44 < jpdery_> I'm sorry to break this great banana-peeling-conversation but I'd like opinions on this : http://pastie.org/545692 . This is my base instance model class. 
17:45 < erisco> jpdery_, I would recommend a few changes
17:45 < jpdery_> Doctrine is the orm I use and, outside the model, I use the array notation to access values
17:45 < jpdery_> however, there is a few cases where the data would need to be modified before being outputted. The reason for the callbacks
17:45 < jpdery_> erisco: yes
17:45 < erisco> jpdery_, if you are aiming to remove direct Doctrine usage from the rest of your application, you will have to make the distinction between tables and records
17:46 < jpdery_> what would you recommand ?
17:46 < jpdery_> ok
17:46 < erisco> jpdery_, how do you do your record fetching?
17:46 < jpdery_> ManagerModels
17:46 < erisco> jpdery_, right, and we do the same in Redracer
17:46 < jpdery_> mostly like models onthe tutorial
17:47 < jpdery_> so the path I've taken is looking good :)
17:48 < erisco> jpdery_, I see, okay. In Redracer we decided to put all interacting with Doctrine purely inside of the ManagerModels to keep the records general
17:48 < erisco> jpdery_, but that doesn't matter and they way you did it is fine
17:48 < jpdery_> :)
17:48 < jpdery_> what's your opinion on the callback thing ?
17:49 < erisco> jpdery_, but I would recommend changes how you deal with the callbacks
17:49 < jpdery_> :) great now we're talking
17:49 < erisco> jpdery_, are you using it for pseudo-fields or things like setting a password and automatically hashing it?
17:49 < jpdery_> both
17:49 < erisco> jpdery_, and by pseudo-field I mean you have an underlying first_name and last_name and you want a full_name
17:50 < erisco> so you concat them in a pseudo-field getter and split them in the setter
17:50 < jpdery_> exacly, I use it for both
17:50 < v-dogg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGK7x6KjbjM&feature=related <-- retarded and totally wrong. why? because you can open a banana from the other end too without mushing it (unless you are a retarted and/or american) AND you can leave the last bit inside the banana skin and not drop it on your pants like this moron
17:51 < erisco> the great banana peeling flame war continues :D
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17:52 < erisco> jpdery_, I have personally always used real methods for doing this
17:52 < erisco> jpdery_, and I suppose you are doing the same thing because of the way you call the callbacks
17:53 < erisco> jpdery_, but maybe it would be better to have a naming convention and detect them automatically?
17:53 < Wombert_> without looking at this
17:53 < Wombert_> you guys might want to buy fowler's PoEAA
17:53 < Wombert_> a domain model would usually encapsulate / abstract away the data model
17:53 < erisco> jpdery_, this eliminates the need to register them
17:53 < Wombert_> depending on how far you're willing to take it
17:53 < Wombert_> basically, you have a setPassword() and a checkPassword(), no getPassword()
17:54 < Wombert_> the data store access happens inside the data model
17:54 < Wombert_> or through a data mapper
17:54 < erisco> Wombert_, checkPassword() returns the password string though?
17:55 < Wombert_> no
17:55 < Wombert_> you give it a password and it returns a bool
17:55 < Wombert_> the domain model has no concept of the password and its representation, because it's neither feasible for it to do nor practical
17:56 < erisco> Wombert, oh, I see. I must not know exactly what you are talking about :P
17:56 < Wombert_> similarly, you'd never expose cross-tables to the domain model layer
17:57 < erisco> Wombert_, by the way, what username does Felix use?
17:57 < Wombert_> so you have Author::retrieveBooks(), and Book::retrieveAuthors(), nothing else
17:57 < Wombert_> erisco: Xylakant
17:58 < erisco> Wombert_, all this time? thanks :)
17:58 < erisco> Wombert_, oh, so you are saying the API would never expose the cross tables. that is reasonable
17:59 < Wombert_> yes
17:59 < erisco> Wombert_, I was unsure on the overall database design to begin with so as far as xrefs go my models are not complete in the slightest, you can see that it is an ad-hoc implementation
17:59 < Wombert_> a domain model represents concepts from the real world
17:59 < Wombert_> the way the data is stored eventually is not relevant and should never leak into the design
18:00 < erisco> Wombert_, of course, but also consider that just because the API happens to reflect how the data is stored does not mean it is not a good API
18:01 < Wombert_> yes, it's bound to happen in many cases
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18:01 < Wombert_> e.g. when the model is relatively simple
18:01 < Wombert_> erisco: do you have PoEAA?
18:02 < Wombert_> Fowler, Martin: Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture
18:02 < erisco> Wombert_, no, but I have a zillion other books to catch up with
18:02 < Wombert_> while you're at it, buy the Gang of Four
18:02 < Wombert_> in fact, don't buy eithre
18:02 < Wombert_> I'll get them for you
18:02 < erisco> ?
18:03 < mob_yo> Wombert, is there a way to detect the difference between GET and POST variables in validation?
18:03 < erisco> jpdery_, I would strongly strongly strongly recommend not using __call like you are
18:03 < mob_yo> all that I'm aware of is source="parameters"
18:03 < jpdery_> erisco: I have personally always used real methods for doing this -> The base class also support adding methods. However, I prefer to use array syntax because I think it's mostly used in php (pdo, mysql_*, simple_xml...) and I'd like to stick on a single syntax.
18:03 < Wombert_> mob_yo: no, but you can distinguish between request methods, if that helps
18:04 < Wombert_> <validators ... method="read">
18:04 < Wombert_>    ...
18:04 < jpdery_> erisco: why is it that bad ?
18:04 < Wombert_> you can have any number of <validators> blocks
18:04 < mob_yo> perfect. thanks.
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18:04 < Wombert_> cool
18:04 < erisco> jpdery_, array syntax is a great thing and we use it too. however, why bother with the __call?
18:05 < erisco> jpdery_, it is not that it is particularly bad, it is just something that does not seem needed. Its implementation is also ridiculously slow, having to bring up the pcre engine every call
18:05 < jpdery_> You're right. I think this is a fossil from older code
18:06 < erisco> jpdery_, with both the real methods (thus the advantage of having them) and the array syntax through ArrayAccess, you are well set for accessibility
18:06 < jpdery_> and for a theoretical change of database engine / orm
18:06 < jpdery_> does it really happen in the real life ?
18:07 < Wombert_> sure
18:07 < Wombert_> and other things happen, too
18:07 < Wombert_> e.g. you integrate what you have with another system
18:07 < erisco> jpdery_, even if you did not switch ORMs, there is no guarantee that Doctrine's API remains constant. Should you really expose that?
18:07 < jpdery_> I like the idea of the model where outside the model, nothing knows a thing about if it's doctrine, propel, pdo, xml or whatever
18:08 < jpdery_> but I'm not sure switching a project from an orm to another happens a quite often
18:08 < jpdery_> erisco: never!
18:08 < jpdery_> :P
18:08 < erisco> jpdery_, you just have to remember that your model is the meat of your program. everything else is just sitting on top of it, aka the actions and views, to let the outside world interact with it
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18:10 < jpdery_> jeez, I'm re-reading myself and I'm barely understanding it...
18:10 < jpdery_> not good
18:10 < jpdery_> need. more. vocabulary.
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18:12 < jpdery_> and by the way: another website with agavi: http://www.paperwrks.com/
18:12 < jpdery_> hosted by my great friend godaddy.com so it's slow as hell
18:13 < erisco> jpdery_, you cannot understand what I wrote you mean?
18:13 < jpdery_> no, what I wrote :P
18:13 < erisco> oh :P
18:13 < jpdery_> I'm kidding
18:13 < jpdery_> but not _that_ much
18:14 < mob_yo> Who here is familiar with Domain Driven Design by Eric Evans?
18:15 < erisco> omg my name is Eric too
18:15 < jpdery_> this is a
18:15 < mob_yo> congrats
18:15 < v-dogg> jpdery_: http://www.paperwrks.com/about.certifications -> 404
18:15 < jpdery_> such a coincidence 
18:15 < jpdery_> no way!
18:15 < jpdery_> meh
18:15 < jpdery_> :()
18:15 < jpdery_> :(*
18:16 < v-dogg> and add product names to urls :)
18:16 < v-dogg> /prd/5 is just so 2007 :)
18:16 < jpdery_> we are not yet to the point to even have a single url for products)
18:16 < mob_yo> anyway I'm wondering about the best way to implement a Service in Agavi
18:16 < erisco> eww :o
18:16 < jpdery_> arg, .htaccess error once again
18:16  * erisco despises .htaccess
18:16 < jpdery_> hum no
18:17 < jpdery_> v-dogg: where did you click to get the 404 ?
18:17 < jpdery_> ahh
18:17 < jpdery_> footer
18:17 < v-dogg> yup
18:17 < jpdery_> ty btw v-dogg 
18:17 < erisco> when I started learning programming they told me that I *will* get frustrated and angry but to not give in
18:17 < erisco> I never had that problem until I started working with .htaccess files
18:18 < erisco> and particularly using mod_rewrite in .htaccess files
18:18 < Wombert_> rofl
18:18 < Wombert_> RewriteLogLevel 9 helps :)
18:18 < v-dogg> or just not touching the default set up :)
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18:20 < v-dogg> heads up: http://blog.mozilla.com/security/2009/07/14/critical-javascript-vulnerability-in-firefox-35/
18:21 < erisco> I did not even know that firefox compiled JavaScript
18:21 < erisco> is that feature new? I am only on 3.0.11
18:23 < sth> Wombert_: Do you know of anyone that wants a new house mate in Munich?
18:25 < jpdery_> just a thought about model once again, imagine I have a user, user_permission and a user_something_related_to_user table. Would it be right to handle all theses tables from a single UserModel class ?
18:26 < jpdery_> or would it be better to create UserModel, UserPermissionModel, UserSomethingRelatedToUserModel ?
18:26 < jpdery_> right now I, in that situation, I create a singe UserModel
18:27 < erisco> jpdery_, that depends on what you think the best API would be
18:28 < erisco> jpdery_, I would imagine that dealing with each table as its own manager model may be best
18:28 < erisco> it would be nice if you could somehow have classes not be exposed globally in PHP but that is the way it is
18:29 < jpdery_> I tried both approaches but I have a preference on the "grouping" method. I feels less attached to a database
18:29 < jpdery_> I agree
18:30 < erisco> what may be a bit strange perhaps is just wanting to get a list of all permissions from the database but having to go through the UserManager to do so
18:30 < erisco> when really none of the operations involve any User
18:30 < jpdery_> agreed
18:30 < jpdery_> in this case we need a PermissionModel
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18:31 < erisco> if you look at Doctrine, they provide the hybrid of being able to deal with specific tables or using the convenience shortcuts on the record models
18:31 < jpdery_> but UserPermissionModel could be inside UserModel
18:31 < erisco> $user->Permissions() or whatever
18:31 < E_mE> Huomenta!
18:31  * E_mE is in Switzerland! \o/
18:31 < jpdery_> oh, that makes me think...
18:31 < jpdery_> dealing with relations..
18:32 < jpdery_> right now, each instance model must wrap each "relation" inside it's proper instance model
18:32 < erisco> jpdery_, the way I decided to do it, for now, is to have a manager model for each table that I can deal with and provide convenience methods on the related manager models
18:33 < jpdery_> This is exacly what I did before, but I came with a project that had just way too much model classes
18:34 < erisco> jpdery_, the mini explosions of model classes almost made me wonder if one should create something like an entity engine
18:34 < jpdery_> explain :)
18:35 < erisco> jpdery_, well entity engines allow you to construct entities by combining parts rather than defining a new class
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18:35 < erisco> jpdery_, its typically used in computer games but it definitely has application in business applications as well
18:36 < erisco> jpdery_, in a game you may just have a "Unit" class that represents any movable being on the screen
18:37 < erisco> jpdery_, and you would instantiate a Property and give it to the object to refine what it is
18:37 < erisco> jpdery_, so you could name the Property "health" and give it the int 100
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18:38 < erisco> jpdery_, this is contrary to naming a new class that would do this initialization in the constructor
18:38 < jpdery_> interesting
18:38 < erisco> jpdery_, and doing it that way prevents dozens of classes that all look the same
18:40 < erisco> jpdery_, something else interesting is a new way you can build objects in PHP 5.3
18:40 < erisco> jpdery_, it is not actually an object, but it can be seamlessly treated as one
18:41 < erisco> jpdery_, you know that if you implement ArrayAccess that you can make your objects look and behave like arrays, yes? well, with 5.3, you have closures. so making an array of closures is effectively going to be used in the same way that you would use a class that implements ArrayAccess
18:41 < erisco> jpdery_, and I had been experimenting with that for doing dependency injection. I am not sure what any of its means, but its interesting
18:42 < erisco> on the way the zend engine works, I have no idea how clean it is to construct "objects" as an associative array of closures either
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18:46 < erisco> jpdery_, but most interesting of all is Haskell. if you want to make your head hurt for a while, or a bottle of Tylenol is cluttering your medicine cabinet, I recommend it a go
18:47 < jpdery_> I'll take a look :P
18:49 < erisco> jpdery_, http://trac.redracer.org/browser/branches/erisco/app/models/ProjectManagerModel.class.php is an example of one of the manager models I wrote. that is an implementation that I am relatively happy with for now
18:49 < erisco> but there are unaddressed issues
18:50 < erisco> jpdery_, you can see how I do not have anything special to relate the manager models, I just call them from each other as needed. You can see that in lookupProjectWithType() and lookupProjectList()
18:51 < erisco> jpdery_, each Project has one ProjectType. There is the ProjectTypeManager http://trac.redracer.org/browser/branches/erisco/app/models/ProjectTypeManagerModel.class.php too
18:53 < erisco> jpdery_, as you can see with the lookupProjectList(), there are numerous other relationships that I have to deal with
18:54 < erisco> it was convenient to just talk to Doctrine about those associations, rather than have something special defined in each ManagerModel
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18:55 < erisco> jpdery_, you can also see how I have dealt with the common CRUD operations in the RedracerBaseDoctrineManagerModel and how I satisfied the needed dependencies (namely the names of table-specific things)
18:56 < erisco> jpdery_, here: http://trac.redracer.org/browser/branches/erisco/app/lib/model/RedracerBaseDoctrineManagerModel.class.php
18:56 < jpdery_> very interesting
18:57 < erisco> jpdery_, but, as I said, there are many issues not addressed. how do I model xref tables? recursive tables? how do I preform deletes? how do I cache effectively?
18:57 < erisco> jpdery_, so, do not take what I've done as *the* way to do it. I'm experimenting as much as you are
19:01  * erisco sees that some of his comments are out-dated too
19:01 < sth> http://www.mrlodge.de/app/2266/eng/17.htm
19:01 < sth> That's epic win
19:01 < sth> You can poo whilst you do the washing up
19:02 < erisco> I cannot say that I have seen a toilet quite that close to the tub before
19:02 < sth> Because everyone wants their bathroom in the same room as their kitchen
19:02 < erisco> is that just from the lack of depth in the picture?
19:02  * erisco wails
19:02 < sth> erisco: They could have saved 1m2 if they just made people poo in the bath
19:02 < erisco> that is the kitchen!! I di dnot notice
19:03 < sth> Awesome isn't it
19:03 < erisco> those people are going to die from disease or sickness of some sort. that is gross
19:03 < sth> There's a lot of these living, bedroom, kitchen in one room things in Munich
19:04 < erisco> I really hope they do not pee standing up... splashing all over the kitchen counter... ewww.....
19:04 < sth> *gags*
19:05 < erisco> that is the weirdest thing to try and make compact. a 6 in wall would really help
19:05 < erisco> 6 inch*
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19:05 < erisco> and that is not too much to ask for space-wise
19:05 < erisco> I mean hell, even in RVs they separate the bathroom from the rest of the living space
19:06 < erisco> in an aft cabin too!
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00:09 < erisco> I really needed to talk to Wombert :(
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04:19 < Jarda> if you would want to quietly change a request parameter in validation, would you write it in your custom validator
04:20 < Jarda> example case: I have a search form with a field "year". If someone would type 2100 in the year field, I would like to quietly change that to 2009
04:20 < Jarda> or someone erases thea year, I would like to quietly change that to 2009
04:21 < Jarda> yes, I know I could make it a dropdown or something, but this was just a simple example
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04:25 < erisco> Jarda, probably you would make a custom validator that would export the corrected year
04:26 < Jarda> yeah, thought so
04:27 < Jarda> maybe even MyOwnCustomNumberValidator with <ae:parameter name="max">2009</ae:parameter><ae:parameter name="default">2009</ae:parameter>
04:27 < Jarda> would be a bit more generic
04:28 < Jarda> still exploring agavi best practices..
04:35 < erisco> Jarda, a date range validator sounds fine to me
04:40 < erisco> Jarda, the Agavi's DateTime validator can already do a lot of work for you if you want to take a look at it
04:41 < erisco> Jarda, it may be useful to just inherit it, call the parent validate method, and apply logic based on its boolean return value
04:41 < erisco> in your case, getting and exporting the default date
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05:06 < Jarda> yeah, thanks
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05:55 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:00 < digitarald> evening
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06:50 < Jarda> what was the &# value for nbsp;?
06:51 < v-dogg> 160
06:51 < Jarda> I keep forgetting that
06:52 < v-dogg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_XML_and_HTML_character_entity_references
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07:44 < _cheerios> huomenta
07:49 < graste> huomenta
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08:06 < sth> I don't think we need to worry about the germans any more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8150639.stm
08:06 < sth> They can't even fly planes
08:07 < _cheerios> lucky pilot to get out of that stall just in time
08:09 < sth> screw the pilot, the people on the path were lucky
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08:21 < blokkie_web> hi all
08:21 < sth> Hi
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08:24 < blokkie_web> In gentoo the agavi version is still 0.11.0  . Is there a big change compared to 1.0.1 ? 
08:25 < MikeSeth> a ton of changes, aye
08:25 < MikeSeth> install from pear
08:25 < MikeSeth> and read the changelog if you are upgrading
08:25 < MikeSeth> huomenta minna-san
08:26 < Xylakant> well, there's some changes but it should be backwards compatible in most places
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08:26 < Xylakant> we introduced a stricter naming scheme for models and actions
08:26 < MikeSeth> the buildsystem was rewritten after 0.11 too iirc
08:26 < Xylakant> it's now always Modulename_ActionnameAction as classname
08:27 < Xylakant> same goes for models
08:27 < MikeSeth> and the new schemas for config & backward compatibility translation
08:27 < Xylakant> there's build system changes but those are non-breaking
08:27 < blokkie_web> So  maybe I'll have to report it to the gentoo folks to update the portage ebuild 
08:27 < Xylakant> you should
08:28 < Xylakant> 0.11 will not be supported any more except for critical fixes
08:28 < MikeSeth> blokkie_web: in all likelihood, changing the version in the ebuild file is the only thing that needs to be done
08:29 < Jarda> I prefer project-local agavi etc. I don't like to depend on my linux distro
08:29 < Xylakant> Jarda: we do recommend project-local agavi installations
08:29 < MikeSeth> true
08:29 < Xylakant> but it's nice to have a recent global installation so you can create a project with "agavi project"
08:30 < Jarda> mostly because this way I can do an easy "svn co" on any LAMP/WAMP/MAMP system and copy index.php and htaccess from dev/pub and I'm all set
08:31 < Xylakant> Jarda: how about using "agavi public-create" ?
08:31 < Jarda> never used that
08:32 < Xylakant> it takes care of copying over everting from dev/pub to pub/ and replaces markers for environment, rewrite base etc
08:32 < Jarda> Xylakant: I have agavi executable on dev/
08:33 < Jarda> never actually installed agavi via pear
08:33 < Xylakant> well, then use that agavi executable
08:33 < Jarda> yeah, was referring to that "global installation" comment
08:33 < Jarda> I start my projects by first creating repo and adding externals etc
08:34 < Jarda> copying agavi executable to dev/ is part of that workflow
08:34 < Xylakant> right, if that's what you like :)
08:34 < Jarda> yeah, people are different :)
08:39 < blokkie_web> Xylakant:  indeed ,  in the current version 0.11.0 there is no agavi project-wizard
08:40 < Xylakant> it's called agavi project there
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08:53 < MikeSeth> btw any new plans for 5.3?
08:53 < MikeSeth> sup E_mE_ 
08:53 < E_mE_> yo MikeSeth 
08:53  * MikeSeth kicks curl in the face
08:53 < MikeSeth> stupid curl closes the file it writes to
08:53 < MikeSeth> tards
08:56 < blokkie_web> FYI  http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=256109   
08:56  * blokkie_web is a nice citizen :)
08:56 < sth> MikeSeth: The new version of agavi that runs on php5.3 is said to be able to make gold from lead :)
08:56 < MikeSeth> oh nice "palestinians" will love it then
08:57 < MikeSeth> klol
09:00 < sth> Its tears also cure cancer but it doesn't cry ever, it just throws exceptions :P
09:06 < MikeSeth> lol there was this article about a saudi scientist claiming that she reproduced Muhammad's medicine receipt made from camel urine that cures cancer
09:06 < Xylakant> sth: there are some problems with autoloading and namespaces though
09:06 < Xylakant> we don't allow \ in autoload names yet
09:08 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, anything to make money :)
09:12 < sth> Xylakant: I guess we just stab people that use them
09:12 < sth> I'll start with Darko
09:12 < Xylakant> do that during lunch break
09:12 < Xylakant> it's such a mess to clean up
09:12 < sth> I don't think he's going for lunch today, he has a bakery bag on his desk
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09:31 < blokkie_web> which port does pear  use for installation ? 
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09:32 < blokkie_web> nm 
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09:39 < blokkie_web> Fatal error: Call to undefined function ctype_digit() in /usr/share/php/agavi/build/agavi/transform/AgaviIdentifierTransform.class.php on line 50
09:39 < blokkie_web> this I get after a fresh pear install    and running for the first time  agavi project-wizard 
09:40 < Jarda> is your php configured with --disable-ctype?
09:41 < blokkie_web> mmmgh ,  good question
09:41 < blokkie_web> I should check that .. brb  
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10:21 < pookey> E_mE_: ping
10:21 < pookey> emo:~jeramy, has backup of your server, can it be removed?
10:23 < MikeSeth> hay pookey
10:23 < pookey> hi MikeSeth ! how you doin'?
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10:24 < MikeSeth> moderately well.. reading anti-jew propaganda on reddit and sighing
10:24 < MikeSeth> you?
10:25 < pookey> hungry - very hungry.
10:25 < sth> I hate how reddit makes a big deal out of being an athiest
10:25 < sth> They're worse than people that flaunt being christian
10:26 < sth> It's rather ironic
10:26 < pookey> work are relocating me... so I'm moving house shortly - finally getting on the property latter.  Finally passed driving test so will soon be on the roads, broken up with the g/friend (4.5 years)... it's all change at the moment
10:28 < MikeSeth> sth: I disagree
10:28 < MikeSeth> I think atheists should assert themselves and I think that religion should be fought and crushed
10:29 < MikeSeth> it has no place in modern society and effort must be taken to erase it
10:30 < MikeSeth> reddit is predominantly leftist though.. leftism makes me puke
10:31 < sth> MikeSeth: I think religion should be one of those things that should only be disclosed if asked
10:32 < MikeSeth> sth: which implies separation of church and state and prohibition of public expression of religion
10:32 < MikeSeth> in other words, freedom FROM religion and not OF religion
10:32 < MikeSeth> which I fully support
10:33 < sth> I wouldn't go round wearing a "I'm an athiest tshirt"
10:33 < MikeSeth> atheism is not a religion
10:33 < sth> (move the quote to after athiest)
10:33 < sth> No, it's the lack of
10:33 < MikeSeth> and in todays world, i would most certainly wear such a shirt
10:33 < MikeSeth> i should get one hm
10:34 < pookey> 'I don't think your god exists'
10:34 < graste> you should check if you're an agnostic first
10:34 < pookey> 'you might as well worhip faries'
10:34 < E_mE_> yo pookey 
10:34 < MikeSeth> I am not agnostic
10:34 < MikeSeth> I am atheist and anti-theist
10:34 < graste> even if I'll bring you a prove that god exists?
10:34 < pookey> I'm agnostic, and dyslexic.. I lie in bed at night wondering if there really is a dog
10:35 < MikeSeth> graste: hahahahahaha
10:35 < E_mE_> pookey: can we setup a back system between the server if that is okay? 
10:35 < MikeSeth> graste: you can't bring any such proof 
10:35 < pookey> E_mE_: will cost you... you'll need to find me a new g/friend
10:35 < pookey> or buy me a wife onlnie somewhere
10:35 < graste> but _would_ you then believe, that there's a god? because then you're agnostic :P
10:36 < E_mE_> ahahah, thai bride okay?
10:36 < pookey> E_mE_: that would be great -thanks
10:36 < E_mE_> pookey: be back in a few minutes, Pizza has arrived :)
10:36 < MikeSeth> graste: no, that doesn't make you an agnostic. An agnostic tolerates possibility of god/higher power without evidence. Atheists do not.
10:36 < pookey> E_mE_: generate a ssh key, install it into your home dir, cron an rsync - and let me nkow space requirements first
10:36  * pookey is atheist
10:36 < graste> tolerates but does only believe in it if there's a prove?
10:37 < E_mE_> talk to you in little bit pookey  :)
10:37 < pookey> if there's proof, I'll beleive, but it has to be real proof.  You'd be an idiot to deny existant in the face of scientific proof
10:37 < graste> that's it
10:38 < graste> so most of us are probably agnostic not atheist :P
10:38 < pookey> I disagree
10:38 < MikeSeth> graste: agnostics allow for existence of god despite lack of evidence. Atheists actively reject such existence
10:38 < MikeSeth> (and anthitheists belittle other people for not doing so)
10:38 < pookey> an atheist is confident there is no god, because there's no evidence.  if somenoe brings undenyable evidence... then we'll have to beleive
10:39 < pookey> MikeSeth: I don't agree with that.... I envy religious people to be hoenst
10:39 < pookey> I wish I could beleive in it all
10:39 < MikeSeth> pookey: do you also envy people who trip on LSD or exhibit schizophrenia?
10:39 < pookey> MikeSeth: I envy stupid people
10:40 < pookey> ignorence is bliss etc.
10:40 < MikeSeth> volunteer for a lobotomy
10:40 < pookey> if I cuodl be happy working behind a till, drinking stella every night and collecting children/benefits... that wuold be great
10:40 < sth> That's agnosticism.
10:41 < pookey> MikeSeth: good idea, you wanna do it? ;)
10:41 < MikeSeth> pookey: I have a chainsaw
10:41 < pookey> MikeSeth: can you strealize it under a flame first?
10:41 < pookey> sterilize too
10:44 < MikeSeth> i dont think you should be concerned 
10:44 < MikeSeth> after all, life won't make much sense after lobotomy if you survive or not
10:45 < pookey> seriously though.... joking aside, I'd quite like to feel tehre's a purpose to life, and I do kinda envy religious people who have somehow managed to convince themselves there is
10:47 < ttj> The purpose in life is to win.
10:47 < pookey> ttj: that's an objective, I don't really feel that's a purpose as such....  if you do win, how are things different  post-ttj ?
10:48 < pookey> at the end of it all, it doesn't reallly matter if you win or not... so long as you have fun doing so I guess
10:48 < MikeSeth> hedonism is not a natural consequence of atheism
10:48 < MikeSeth> but it is certainly very nice :D
10:48 < ttj> People will remember how ultimately cool I was and how I won everthing.
10:48 < ttj> +y
10:48 < pookey> ttj: I'm sure they will ;)
10:48 < MikeSeth> ttj: that's basically spreading your intellectual semen on as many people as possible
10:48 < MikeSeth> btw watch Bruno! 
10:48  * pookey has
10:49 < MikeSeth> is win
10:49  * ttj is going to go win some coffee.
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10:54 < sth> How does one "win" coffee?
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10:58 < ttj> You play the coffee machine and if you win, it gives you coffee.
10:58 < ttj> If you lose, you get something else that resembles coffee, but isn't.
11:01 < Jarda> sounds like our coffee maker
11:06 < blokkie_web> Jarda:  my php is indeed compiled without ctype 
11:06 < Jarda> so that probably is your problem :)
11:06 < blokkie_web> do I need it  for agavi ? 
11:07 < Jarda> if agavis build scripts use it, then I suppose you need :)
11:07 < blokkie_web> ok ,  one recompile on its way !  Thx for the tip
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11:16 < Jarda> error for="required" doesn't seem to work
11:16 < v-dogg> what validator?
11:16 < v-dogg> all those are validator specific
11:17 < Jarda> http://codepad.org/hD9qwash
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11:18 < Jarda> I blame you
11:18 < blokkie_web> Module for login system action [Default]:   is this new ? 
11:18 < Jarda> now that you mentioned
11:18 < Jarda> you have named that "required_error" instead of "required"
11:19 < v-dogg> Jarda: blame all you want. and then fix it. I'll go continue drinking beer out side :)
11:19 < Jarda> :(
11:19 < Jarda> not fair
11:19  * Jarda wants beer
11:21  * ttj wants outside.
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11:53 < _cheerios> anyone here setup software raid on linux recently and wants to point the way for a noob?
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11:56 < _cheerios> in any case; fresh debian install, raid0+1 scsi1+2 (marked as raid partitions), raid1 has / ext3. gives me a nice fat error 21 on boot. what (and how much) is wrong? :D
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13:12 < v-dogg> mmm mm mm 
13:14 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: durr lilo error?
13:14  * sth kicks RBAC
13:23 < _cheerios> RBAC <3
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13:27 < sth> It doesn't seem to be redirecting me to the login page :/
13:29 < v-dogg> you also need isSecure()==true
13:30 < v-dogg> rbac is checked only if the user is authenticated and the action is secure
13:30 < sth> ?
13:31 < sth> got it :)
13:32 < sth> shame about the lovely exception it throws
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13:35 < sth> "Too many execution runs have been detected for this Context."
13:36 < v-dogg> fix your code :)
13:37 < sth> "Oh OK!"
13:37 < sth> isSecure is triggering it
13:37 < v-dogg> you have a slot that uses decorated layout or your secure/login action is secure
13:37 < MikeSeth> guise
13:37 < MikeSeth> what would you like to see in Agavi reporting system?
13:37 < v-dogg> tits
13:37 < MikeSeth> there's a chance the stuff im doing right now is gonna go opensource
13:38 < _cheerios> ditton on tits
13:39 < sth> v-dogg: There are no slots, other than master and $innner
13:40 < MikeSeth> maaan org-mode is so nice
13:40  * MikeSeth licks emacs
13:42 < _cheerios> must be a change from the default emacs museum-mode?
13:45 < blokkie_web> MikeSeth:  what is this reporting system you are talking about ? 
13:52 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, i got the raid working. noobed not setting bootable flags.
14:00 < v-dogg> sth: then your login action is secure or secure action requires credentials (=> infinite internal forward loop)
14:01 < sth> Yeah, I've fixed it
14:01 < v-dogg> what was it?
14:01 < sth> isSecure was in the wrong place
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14:18 < saracen> I had an input template which is loaded from the Input view and Error view. Whats the best way of detecting it was accessed through the error view, so I can add a one liner?
14:18 < saracen> Or is it a case of setting an attribute in the error view?
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14:24 < Xylakant> saracen: do you want to add the one-liner somewhere at the top?
14:29 < saracen> Xylakant: No, it's implementing a back button, because my boss has forgotten you can use the browsers one. =(
14:29 < saracen> so it could be anywhere the forms buttons are
14:30 < saracen> Doesnt feel right to add a Error template just for it
14:30 < Xylakant> why would you want to use a back-button on an error view that is not on the input view?
14:31 < Xylakant> well, you can always either set a template var in the error view and act accordingly in the template
14:31 < Xylakant> or you can include the input template from the error template
14:31 < Xylakant> whatever suits you
14:31 < Xylakant> i'd try and go the include-route whenever possible
14:31 < saracen> I've got a form as a slot, if they post on the slot and theres an error, it's really annoying to get them back on that page with FPF with the other slots loaded and the one they posted to.
14:31 < Xylakant> i dislike excessive control flow in templates
14:31 < saracen> So it ggets posted to just that specific form
14:32 < saracen> so the back button, is indeed back to itself, on a page with other slots though
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15:34 < erisco> Xylakant, hey, I heard that you've taken control of the Redracer project Xylakant
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15:34 < Xylakant> did you?
15:35 < Xylakant> david and me wanted to create a feature list
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15:35 < Xylakant> david doesn't have time
15:35 < Xylakant> so I guess that leaves me
15:36 < Xylakant> I'll get back to you
15:36 < Xylakant> like, hmm, hmm...
15:36 < Xylakant> friday maybe ;)
15:37 < Xylakant> no seriously, I'll write up a list of things we need and would like to see but I'll have to check back with david, dominik and some more
15:38 < erisco> Xylakant, is there anything obvious I can work on for today and tomorrow?
15:39 < Xylakant> you could start writing a feature list as well :)
15:43 < erisco> I think you guys would have a better idea of what you want than I would
15:48 < Xylakant> well, it's supposed to be a forge
15:48 < Xylakant> so the best thing would be to have a look at other forges
15:48 < Xylakant> and see what they do
15:49 < erisco> Xylakant, cakePHP and sourceforge being the two references I was given, but they do many things completely differently
15:49 < Xylakant> so list the alternatives
15:50 < Xylakant> we could do it this way or that way, a) has the advantage of... etc
15:50 < Xylakant> just think about what you'd like to see in a forge
15:50 < Xylakant> there's also rubyforge for example
15:52 < erisco> why is rubyforge written in PHP?
15:53 < erisco> its also ugly as hell
15:54 < Xylakant> I think they took an existing forge application
15:55 < Xylakant> and they do host a lot of important ruby projects
15:55 < Xylakant> most notably gem
15:57 < erisco> really it seems very similar to sourceforge
15:57 < Xylakant> we probably will not need advanced stuff such as SCM integration or a forum
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15:59 < graste> we need cool snippets!
15:59 < graste> snippetforge
15:59 < graste> :D
16:00 < erisco> I kind of liked the cakePHP bakery... light, simple
16:00 < graste> to show the world agavi awesomness
16:00 < graste> +e
16:00 < graste> agaviawesomeforge
16:00 < graste> awesomeforge.com ?
16:00 < graste> =)
16:00 < erisco> we either are hosting projects or we are just showcasing them
16:01 < erisco> without forums or SCM, anyone running a project complicated enough needing them will need to host their project somewhere else
16:01 < graste> hosting somewhere else is okay, I'd guess - there's github, google code, sourceforge whatever =)
16:02 < erisco> awesomeforge.com Registrant: Arthur Technologies LLC
16:02 < graste> DAMN
16:02 < graste> the agavi guys probably know best what they want ;)
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16:03 < erisco> if you look at the bakery its a nice place http://bakery.cakephp.org/
16:03 < erisco> casual tutorials and code samples and things to help you around cakePHP
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16:04 < erisco> I think something like that for Agavi would be great because it demonstrates ways in which to use Agavi and it helps document it
16:04 < graste> snippets, custom validators, cool routing callbacks, nice filters
16:05 < graste> everything that is pluggable for agavi projects would be nice 
16:05 < erisco> or you know, how to do AJAX uploads http://bakery.cakephp.org/articles/view/comfortable-ajaxuploads-with-cakephp
16:06 < graste> and then snippets/tipps should be able to be tagged as "approved by the agavi maintainers" or "recommended" sthg like that =)
16:06 < graste> so that I don't try to use random stuff of random ppl :p
16:06 < graste> just to be disappointed afterwards :>
16:07 < erisco> yeah
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17:01 < jpdery> hi again
17:02 < jpdery> is agavi requiring specific extensions ? (except lib_xml and lib_xsl) ?
17:02 < jpdery> and pdo_* if used
17:07 < Seldaek> it shouldn't
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17:10 < Rayne> jpdery, i am not 100% sure but it should be possible to use agavi even without lib_xsl :-) but yes, that should be the main lib dependencies
17:10 < Wombert> it works without ext/xsl
17:10 < jpdery> ok ty
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18:48 < mob_yo> hello
18:49 < mob_yo> it there any documentation for the build system and/or build files? (e.g. build.properties and build.xml)
18:50 < mob_yo> I'm just wondering how to set the default view names
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19:23 < sth> Time for some iPhone hacking
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20:11 < jpdery> If I would be thinking about using a template engine, which one should I choose ?
20:14 < MikeSeth> HOLY SHIT WE ARE FAMOUS
20:14 < MikeSeth> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-agavipt1/
20:27 < graste> jpdery: PHP :P (or http://dwoo.org/ )
20:29 < jpdery> OMG!
20:29 < erisco> MikeSeth, that is pretty cool, but you guys were already famous to me :)
20:31 < erisco> MikeSeth, the funny part is I think there is more documentation there then on Agavi's site :P
20:32 < Seldaek> yeah it's fucking huge and only the first part of it..
20:33 < MikeSeth> gloriousz victoreh
20:33 < MikeSeth> who wrote it tho
20:33 < Seldaek> not you :p
20:33 < erisco> Vikram Vaswani, author of PHP Programming Solutions and PHP: A Beginners Guide
20:33 < erisco> founder and CEO f Melonfire (http://www.melonfire.com)
20:33 < erisco> at least that is what it says at the bottom
20:34 < Seldaek> he hangs on the ml (and irc I think)
20:34 < MikeSeth> ooh
20:34 < MikeSeth> s'nice
20:35 < MikeSeth> someone tell wombart
20:35 < erisco> congratulations guys :D
20:37 < Seldaek> MikeSeth: he made a mail to agavi-announce this morning about it
20:37 < Seldaek> rather yesterday 
20:38 < MikeSeth> dang
20:38 < MikeSeth> i picked it up on reddit
20:39 < Seldaek> hah
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20:46 < graste> hehehe
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21:02 < jpdery> does anyone knows how this is possible ? http://aspirin81.bayer.dev.lemieuxbedard.ca/images/IE6.jpg
21:02 < jpdery> the black spot are of course PNGs
21:03 < jpdery> it's working on my VM but it's not client's browser.
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21:58 < MikeSeth> jpdery: durrr what ie version
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23:21 < MikeSeth> oh man
23:21 < MikeSeth> i was writing a flame about Agavi on reddit
23:21 < MikeSeth> and I thought of absolutely THE BEST SLOGAN for Agavi
23:21 < MikeSeth> "It doesn't say no."
23:21 < MikeSeth> I'm so good durrr
23:22 < MikeSeth> :D
23:32 < saracen> It said no when I asked it to make me coffee, without any more dependancies
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06:50 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:56 < horros> Huomenta.
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06:59 < WasabiCat> huomenta
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07:01 < WasabiCat> is there a way to get the IP address of the client that made the request?
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07:05 < luke`> huomenta
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07:23 < _cheerios> huomenta
07:25 < Jarda> has someone added Swift to an agavi project
07:25 < Jarda> I added swift_required.php to autoload.xml, but I still get those Class 'Swift_Foo ' not found..
07:28 < _cheerios> bleh. should've showered :<
07:30 < Jarda> well, maybe I do it in an own Model and do "old school" "require_once..."
07:30 < ttj> _cheerios: ~6km jog in the morning. When will you join in?-)
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07:34 < blokkie_W> greetings earthlings !
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07:39 < _cheerios> ttj, when im in immortal shape like you
07:40 < WasabiCat> is there a way to get the IP address of the client that made the request?
07:46 < _cheerios> justwannasitdownandchill... but why is there work in my inbox :<
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07:55 < Jarda> how can I get the env I'm in in my code? :)
07:55 < Jarda> I'm using Swift and I need to know wheter to use smtp transport protocol or sendmail
07:56 < ttj> _cheerios: Pfft. You can set the speed and distance.
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08:07 < graste> huomenta
08:21 < MikeSeth> gentlemans
08:22 < MikeSeth> WasabiCat: REMOTE_ADDR from HTTP request headers
08:22 < MikeSeth> Jarda: getenv() for example
08:22 < MikeSeth> Jarda: but I do it using Agavi config anyway :>
08:23 < sth> Hey
08:24 < _cheerios> morning spam to go with morning coffee "I personaly became interested in being your friend even more than that ,but as time gose on we will know better , I will be very glad if you can reply me now so that i can send you my photos please do that fast"
08:42 < MikeSeth> some asshole tried to phish my steam credentials
08:42 < MikeSeth> I lol'd
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09:03 < WasabiCat> how do I get the HTTP request headers from agavi?
09:05 < MikeSeth> WasabiCat: http://www.agavi.org/apidocs/agavi/request/AgaviWebRequestDataHolder.html
09:06 < MikeSeth> ie $rd->getHeader('FOO')
09:06 < WasabiCat> great thanks
09:07 < sth> Burger King's breakfast menu is really bad
09:08 < MikeSeth> i hate burger king onion rings
09:08 < MikeSeth> they are wrong
09:08 < ttj> I hate fastfood. From now on I'm eating healthy and getting into shape!
09:09 < MikeSeth> a sphere is also a shape :D
09:09 < ttj> It's the wrong shape. :D
09:09 < MikeSeth> I'm just sayin yo ;P
09:18 < macen> hey MikeSeth 
09:19  * macen waves at rest of channel, too
09:19 < macen> great work guys feedback so far on Agavi and its principles have been absolutely fantastic 
09:21 < macen> the extensibility is clearly the crucial element and to achieve the end result you did is superb
09:22 < MikeSeth> you sound like a billboard :D
09:23 < macen> moreover, when this is applied over multiple projects the benefits are clear to see
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09:25 < macen> lets hope the open source community continues to attract the type of developer which makes it so successful 
09:25 < macen> and so quick too, to go from PHP5 to now. wow
09:26 < macen> thanks
09:29 < macen> and MikeSeth !
09:29 < macen> I have fluffled you many times good sir
09:29 < macen> How very dare thee
09:29 < macen> !!!
09:30 < macen> lol no, srsly, great work on Agavi 1 and Agavi 1.0
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09:32 < macen> Let's hope more Web sites like mtv.de and sevenload continue to fly the Agavi flag....
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09:34 < macen> hi Xylakant 
09:34 < Xylakant> hi
09:34  * macen off to clean the house
09:35 < Xylakant> I don't have to get that, do I?
09:35 < macen> you may be interested that it's an apartment not a house
09:35 < macen> the correct term would be home i believe
09:36 < macen> but, uh...would be nice yes please
09:37 < Xylakant> what I actually meant was the dialogue: Hai - Hai - Ok, I'm off cleaning
09:37 < Xylakant> anyways, have fun
09:37 < macen> hehe
09:37 < macen> tyvm
09:39 < macen> oh, and of course, Huomenta Xylakant 
09:39 < macen> i was not sure if my earlier tone was quite fitting enough for it
09:40 < macen> and yes, I do drink too much caffeine Xylakant. too quick to respond. I know that. would be nice if that was ok too.
09:41  * macen gone
09:51 < MikeSeth> I wrote a short promo snippet
09:51 < MikeSeth> http://pastebin.com/f4e0f08da
09:51 < MikeSeth> spread like aids :D
09:53 < _cheerios> not DRY! amateurish. :p
09:54 < MikeSeth> that's as dry as it can get kthx :>
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10:14 < v-dogg> dry pants
10:14 < v-dogg> but hey, I think it's beer time! 
10:15 < v-dogg> or what do you say, Jarda? :P
10:15 < Jarda> I think that in a few hours it's time to do some heavy car driving..
10:15 < Jarda> 340km or something like that
10:15 < ttj> Only if it's light beer. ::think
10:17 < _cheerios> had enough refreshments+sun yesterday at koffs park
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11:06 < Xylakant> http://bestatterweblog.de/uploads/talent.wmv
11:08 < sth>  watched that last week, it's awesome
11:08 < MikeSeth> what'a an atter?
11:09 < Xylakant> i hope that's not serious...
11:10 < MikeSeth>   Atter \At"ter\, n. [AS. [=ae]tter.]
11:10 < MikeSeth>      Poison; venom; corrupt matter from a sore. [Obs.] --Holland.
11:10 < MikeSeth>      [1913 Webster]
11:10 < MikeSeth> ><
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12:08 < reza1> hi there , i get a vps with Centos 5 . on write some web applications with agavi  and test it localy , 
12:09 < reza1> my php version on my VPS is 5.1.6
12:09 < reza1> can i install agavi ?
12:09 < sth> Since it's your vps, I suggest upgrading it
12:10 < MikeSeth> reza1: sure you can, if you have php & pear installed
12:10 < reza1> it recomended to use php version > 5.2.0
12:10 < reza1> is there any kind of bugs on it
12:10 < reza1> ?
12:11 < reza1> i don't know how to update php version , if it's possible help me
12:11 < MikeSeth> 5.2.0 should be fine
12:11 < MikeSeth> I have no idea how to work CentOS machines
12:11 < MikeSeth> redhat is shit, I use Debian exclusively
12:12 < Jarda> there is a 3rd party repo for newer php
12:12 < reza1> how can i update it ?
12:12 < Jarda> don't remember the name though
12:12 < reza1> i google but i can't find anything useful
12:13 < Jarda> epel
12:13 < Jarda> was the name
12:13 < Jarda> maybe
12:13 < reza1> it's on centos
12:13 < reza1> ?
12:13 < Jarda> "centos php 5.2" and "feeling lucky" and the first hit..
12:13 < Jarda> http://bluhaloit.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/installing-php-52x-on-redhat-es5-centos-5-etc/
12:14 < Jarda> actually it was remi
12:14 < Jarda> but still
12:14 < Jarda> there you go
12:14 < reza1> thanks jarda
12:14 < reza1> let me check
12:15 < graste> v-dogg	but hey, I think it's beer time! <- I think the correct term would be "beer o'clock"
12:15 < graste> whenever that is ^^
12:15 < MikeSeth> actually
12:15 < MikeSeth> it's 4:20
12:16 < graste> sounds pretty much like beer o'clock to me (even if it would be an alcoholic beer replacement for me) :P
12:17 < MikeSeth> dude
12:17 < MikeSeth> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=4:20
12:17 < MikeSeth> :D
12:18 < graste> omgomgomg
12:18 < graste> how could I not know this :\ the world's going to collapse... :<
12:20 < everplays> MikeSeth: you are from witch country that it's 4:20 there?
12:20 < MikeSeth> it's not literally 4:@0
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12:20 < MikeSeth> though it's 3:20
12:20  * MikeSeth is from Israrl
12:21 < MikeSeth> zionist occupier!
12:21  * ttj is from Finland and it's 3:20 as well! \o/
12:21 < ttj> 3:21. :(
12:21 < MikeSeth> foo mane padme hum
12:21 < MikeSeth> foo mane padme hum
12:22 < everplays> \o/
12:22 < everplays> MikeSeth: +1
12:22 < graste> 2:21 pm actually
12:22 < graste> in germany :p
12:22 < Jarda> 15:22 in Turku
12:22 < horros> 15:20 in Tampere.
12:22 < ttj> Turku is in its own timezone.
12:23 < ttj> http://liveupdate.ironmanlive.com/ppv/newathlete.php?rid=244&race=/events/ironman/germany/&bib=100&beta= <-- Our foreign minister is so cool.
12:23 < Jarda> yeah, we're still in 1982
12:23 < horros> 1982 was a good year.
12:24 < graste> 2 years later everything was fkd up
12:24 < graste> <:
12:32 < ttj> Hmm... Already went for a jog, but now I feel like I could go for another one. :(
12:33 < horros> I can't really do anything.
12:33 < horros> My face starts to hurt if I do anything that raises my pulse much.
12:33 < horros> :(
12:38 < horros> Right. Summer house. See you in a week or so!
12:39  * horros &
12:40 < MikeSeth> bastard
12:41 < jpdery> MikeSeth: yesterday I posted a screenshot and you asked me what version of IE it was. The answer is: Fabulous IE6 :D
12:41 < jpdery> http://aspirin81.bayer.dev.lemieuxbedard.ca/images/IE6.jpg
12:42 < jpdery> I've never seen such a bug with aspirin 81 and IE6
12:42 < MikeSeth> well, ie is retarded
12:43 < MikeSeth> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/
12:43 < jpdery> I know, such is the policy to keep IE6
12:43 < MikeSeth> there are fixez for this shit
12:43 < MikeSeth> its because of .png transparency
12:43 < jpdery> hehe, the fix are appliced
12:44 < MikeSeth> no, I mean javascript hax
12:45 < _cheerios> i onced used a site with the js hax on. "shit experience"
12:46 < jpdery> what's odd is, it's only screwing up on 1 computer
12:47 < jpdery> It's working on my VM with IE6
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12:50 < MikeSeth> penis pump what's happenin
12:50 < MikeSeth> penis pump what's happenin
12:50 < MikeSeth> penis pump what's happenin
12:50 < MikeSeth> what's happenin
12:50 < MikeSeth> what's happenin
12:51 < MikeSeth> PP4L!
12:52 < ttj> Umm...
12:53 < sth> Mike's lost the plot
12:53 < sth> Really warm here today
12:53 < MikeSeth> sth: www.wepump.in
12:53 < MikeSeth> probably nsfw
12:53 < sth> I'm not even going to try it
12:53 < sth> Germans need to figure out aircon
12:54 < MikeSeth> http://wepump.in/music/download.html
12:54 < ttj> Umm... Yeah... Judging by the previous, I don't think that the link will be work safe. :P
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12:56 < MikeSeth> arent you the ceo? :D
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13:13 < jpdery> we are trying to (help a guy) install one of our site on a (windows) server and one time out of 3, we are getting an exception : Couldn't locate driver named mysql
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13:15 < jpdery> what's troubling me is... it's very erratic
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13:21 < reza1> hi there
13:22 < sth> Hi.
13:22 < reza1> i want to update my php version to 5.2 for using agavi
13:22 < reza1> i have a VPS and Centos 5
13:22 < reza1> can you help me 
13:22 < reza1> Centos 5 64bit
13:22 < sth> reza1: https://rpmrepo.org/RPMforge/Using
13:23 < sth> Install that repo, it gives you instructions
13:23 < reza1> after i install this
13:23 < sth> Then remove PHP (yum uninstall/remove <php package name>) and then install PHP
13:24 < sth> The installed PHP version will come from the new repo
13:24 < reza1>  i have plesk know
13:25 < reza1> is there confilict with pelesk
13:25 < reza1> ?
13:25 < sth> Probably
13:25 < reza1> my php version is 5.16
13:25 < sth> Since plesk is rather scum like
13:26 < reza1> if i install agavi on this version
13:26 < reza1> is there any bug ?
13:26 < reza1> for it
13:26 < sth> Some stuff might not work
13:26 < reza1> witch stuff?
13:26 < sth> reza1: http://blog.ucvhost.com/?p=166
13:26 < sth> There's an article on how to do it
13:27 < sth> except their shell script is missing
13:27 < Xylakant> reza1: for example using agavi with magic_quotes_gpc=on will not work in php < 5.2.8
13:28 < ttj> MikeSeth: Fortunately I'm not.
13:28 < reza1> i am realey confused , 
13:28 < reza1> i donot know what can i do for updating it
13:28 < reza1> and run my application on it
13:28 < reza1> i donot know if i update php version what will be happen for my VPS
13:29 < sth> Plesk will likely stop behaving
13:29 < sth> unless you do it in some odd and obsurd way
13:30 < reza1> i will run only 2 apps on VPS
13:30 < reza1> and both of the developed on agavi
13:30 < reza1> i will ask from datacenter that i buy the vps
13:30 < reza1> witch version i ask for?
13:30 < reza1> php
13:31 < Xylakant> latest 5.2 would be a good option
13:31 < jpdery> watch this :
13:31 < jpdery> http://flintstonesvitamins.ca/test.php
13:31 < sth> Oh wait, Plesk apparently does work with yum php packages
13:31 < jpdery> scroll to the PDO section
13:31 < jpdery> (refresh if you don't see)
13:31 < Xylakant> agavi should run just fine on 5.3 but you'd probably have to check your app
13:31 < jpdery> then refresh a couple of time
13:31 < jpdery> pdo is dissapearing randomly
13:32 < sth> Xylakant: seems to be working fine other than the namespaces thing with autoload.xml
13:32 < Xylakant> sth: would you say the same about an app you've never seen?
13:32 < sth> Well no
13:32 < sth> I can only go on the experiences I've had
13:33 < Xylakant> see :)
13:33 < reza1> my current version of php on local that i develop 5.2.6 (opensuse)
13:33 < sth> But have there been any new bug reports with people using PHP5.3?
13:33 < Xylakant> no, not for agavi
13:34 < reza1> Xylakant: is php 5.2.6 ok and stable ? 
13:35 < sth> reza1: Does your VPS provider allow for snap shots of your vps to be made?
13:35 < Xylakant> reza: 5.2.6 is pretty old but otherwise fine. you'd have to disable magic_quotes_gpc if it's enabled
13:35 < reza1> Xylakant: witch version do you suggest ?
13:36 < reza1> sth: what do you mean exactly?
13:36 < sth> Because if you install PHP5.2 and it breaks plesk, it would be nice to have a backup that you could restore to
13:37 < Xylakant> reza: I'd always go for the latest 5.2.x version
13:37 < reza1> sth: i will ask them to install it ,  
13:38 < reza1> Xylakant: i see in php.net 5.2.10 released on 18-jun-2009
13:39 < reza1> http://www.php.net/archive/2009.php#id2009-06-18-1
13:39 < reza1> Xylakant: so as you say , i will ask for php 5.2.10 
13:39 < reza1> is it ok?
13:40 < sth> reza1: Good approach. If you don't know how to install it, get someone that does :)
13:41 < reza1> yes , i have no idea about it . my vps provider will do it , but at first
13:41 < reza1> i would like to know about the version to ask
13:41 < reza1> and then send  a ticket to them 
13:42 < saracen> who is your vps provider?
13:43 < reza1> vpsland.com
13:43 < reza1> just one question
13:43 < reza1> is php 5.2.10 ok  ? for agavi
13:44 < macen> yes.
13:44 < macen> yes it is.
13:45 < reza1> ok thanks 
13:46 < reza1> i am waiting for to see my apps on web , i found agavi fantastic . after agavi i can't work with other framework
13:46 < reza1> thanks
13:46 < reza1> have a nice time
13:46 < macen> lol
13:46 < macen> yes you will find it a breeze
13:46 < macen> if you get stuck read the API
13:47 < reza1> do you mean API in agavi.org?
13:48 < macen> what?
13:48 < jpdery> did anyone ever had this problem... pdo_mysql randomly disabling itself ? 
13:48 < reza1> mace:do you mean this link?
13:48 < reza1> http://www.agavi.org/apidocs/
13:48 < macen> um
13:49 < reza1> macen do you mean this link?
13:49 < macen> i have them downloaded on my computer....
13:49 < reza1> i don't see anywhere to download it
13:49 < macen> i give up
13:51 < _cheerios> jpdery, nope. felt liek windows version of segfaults given your earlier description.
13:52 < jpdery> ok
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13:52 < jpdery> well, in that case, there is nothing I can do.
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17:08 < _cheerios> anyone using gearman?
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19:01 < _cheerios> http://madeam.com/ mo frameworks!
19:01 < _cheerios> i need to get mine out this year to add to the bunch *g*
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19:04 < _cheerios> http://code.google.com/p/sierra-php/ another one with an xml fetish
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19:08 < v-dogg> heh
19:09 < v-dogg> sierra has its own ORM, own DB abstraction layer, own localization properties files, depends on Smarty and even has out-of-the-box UI templates!
19:10 < v-dogg> umm. but wait. I want to use Doctrine...
19:10 < v-dogg> and dwoo templates...
19:11 < _cheerios> NO SOUP FOR YOU!
19:11 < v-dogg> :¨ (
19:12 < justanothercoder> poor oliver twist. lol
19:16 < v-dogg> oh but sierra is also compatible with all my servers running php4!
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21:49 < Jarda> madeam <3 mysql-only <3
21:50 < Rayne> Jarda, eh whut? wuts great about mysql only?
21:50 < Jarda> sarcasm++
21:51 < Rayne> Undefined variable: sarcasm
21:51 < Rayne> hail E_ALL
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23:00 < erisco> give me work!
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03:53 < impl> WOMBERT
03:53 < impl> GOD DAMN IT
03:53 < impl> I have the name.
03:53 < impl> The name of the execution container THING.
03:53 < impl> It has a real name.
03:56 < erisco> impl, really? I gave many suggestions to it to. I thought calling it a "body" would have been fine... what is yours?
03:56 < impl> it's called the Tool.
03:56 < impl> http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~trygver/themes/mvc/mvc-index.html
03:56 < impl> someone just linked me to this
04:12 < erisco> impl, you are going to call it a Tool?
04:13 < impl> that seems to be what it's called
04:23 < erisco> impl, I cannot help but immaturely laugh every time I envision instantiating a Tool
04:23 < erisco> impl, (it is an insult, you know)
04:23 < impl> it doesn't have any actual class
04:23 < impl> I know.
04:24 < impl> it's just a general term that we'd use in docs
04:24 < erisco> making a Tool
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07:05 < blokkie_w> good morning !
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07:05 < rozza> houmenta
07:06 < codecop> huomenta
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07:30 < sth> Morning
07:35 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:39 < _cheerios> huomenta
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07:55 < graste> huomenta
07:58 < fnordfish> huomenta
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08:52 < _cheerios> hmm, seems if you bookmark a website on an iphone, it searches the website for /apple-touch-icon-precomposed.png + /apple-touch-icon.png to use as an icon.
09:00 < ttj> I hate heart rate monitors.
09:01 < ttj> I tried to keep under 145 and it felt that I wasn't getting anywhere. :(
09:01 < ttj> The typical ~5.5-6km jog went from ~27min to ~37min.
09:07 < sth> This is odd.
09:08 < sth> My login action automatically errors if it contains a executeRead method
09:08 < sth> But the same action in another project it works
09:12 < sth> n/m
09:12 < sth> My validators hate me
09:14 < v-dogg> you want <validators method="write"> perhaps?
09:14 < sth> yup
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09:16 < v-dogg> validators are executed when the action has a proper execute method (executeThisMethod() or general execute())
09:30 < sth> I figured it out before you said :)
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09:56 < Xylakant> jquery makes my eyes bleed
09:58 < graste> <:
09:58 < graste> why's that
09:59 < Xylakant> why does jquery.hover accept two callbacks, one for entering hover state and one for leaving
09:59 < Xylakant> while jquery.focus only accepts one
09:59 < Xylakant> and then there's jquery.blur
09:59 < Xylakant> talks about consistent api design
09:59 < sth> That's  a little inconsistant
09:59 < graste> :)
10:00 < Xylakant> and then the method names do not convey that they actually bind an event handler
10:00 < Xylakant> they rather convey that they're executing an action
10:00 < Xylakant> and the whole framework is the same mess
10:01 < Xylakant> $() can accept a css selector
10:01 < Xylakant> an id
10:01 < Xylakant> or html code
10:01 < Xylakant> oh my ...
10:01 < graste> :)
10:01 < graste> yep
10:01 < sth> That part is confusing
10:01 < graste> but there are some gems hidden in it
10:02 < sth> I say we all move to glow.
10:02 < Xylakant> I don't want to go digging for gems in a pile of turd
10:02 < graste> ^^
10:03 < Xylakant> there's no proper mechanism for defining classes of your own
10:03 < Xylakant> why is it element.attr() to set an attribute value
10:04 < Xylakant> but element.removeAttr() to remove it?
10:04 < sth> I say make your own
10:09 < _cheerios> i say moo!
10:11 < graste> let's start another js lib
10:11 < graste> fork mootools, add awesomeness
10:11 < Xylakant> my own what?
10:11 < Xylakant> javascript framework?
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10:16 < Xylakant> mootools used to be nice
10:18 < Xylakant> but there's still that thing here: https://mootools.lighthouseapp.com/projects/2706/tickets/98-hash-implementation-broken-by-design
10:20 < sth> GAH, jQuery caused our internet to go down.
10:24 < _cheerios> Xylakant, feels pretty minor but yeah
10:25 < Xylakant> it's not the broken implementation that puts me off
10:25 < Xylakant> it's how they handled that
10:25 < Xylakant> incidentially, prototype gets it right
10:26 < Xylakant> acknowledging that it's a bug but can't be fixed for the current version due to BC would have been fine with me
10:26 < Xylakant> but saying "that's how it should be" displays a lack of understanding what a hash actually is and how it should behave
10:30 < Xylakant> I moved from prototype to mootools because I preferred the structure
10:30 < Xylakant> but prototype has improved since then and I guess I'll just move back
10:34 < _cheerios> i went from rico -> prototype -> mootools, some dojo in-between, and now jquery at work
10:35 < Xylakant> jquery is not an option
10:35 < Xylakant> really, it isn't
10:35 < Xylakant> it has some nice widgets, granted
10:37 < _cheerios> we use it very lightly. not much client-side devving.
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10:48 < Xylakant> it might work out for that
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11:59 < graste> 12:16	Xylakant	mootools used to be nice
11:59 < graste> 12:18	Xylakant	but there's still that thing here: https://mootools.lighthouseapp.com/projects/2706/tickets/98-hash-implementation-broken-by-design
12:00 < graste> that's not minor in my eyes - their handling of it is lame :)
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14:31 < Xylakant> there's no function.bind() in jquery
14:32 < Xylakant> I'll be over at the toilet, need to puke
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17:11 < CIA-54> kirila * r4196 /trunk/test/tests/unit/config/AgaviConfigTest.php: A few assertions added to cover 100% the C file
17:12 < CIA-54> kirila * r4197 /trunk/test/tests/unit/config/AgaviConfigTest.php: broken test in php added
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20:46 < _cheerios> electric shocks for treating internet-addiction costing ~600e/mo banned in china. what will they use now? :)
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21:07 < reza1> hi there
21:07 < reza1> i install agavi successfuly on my vps
21:08 < reza1> and i create a new project
21:08 < reza1> i set agavi address in include path
21:08 < reza1> but Failed opening required 'agavi.php'
21:08 < reza1> what's the problem?
21:09 < reza1> the include_path is ok , i am sure
21:09 < reza1> have you any idea?
21:10 < _cheerios> when things are ok you don't get errors about them :)
21:10 < reza1> it install on /usr/share/pear/agavi
21:10 < reza1> i check it
21:10 < reza1> and i set on my include_path
21:11 < reza1> but ailed to open stream: No such file or directory in
21:11 < reza1> you are true cheerios
21:11 < reza1> what do you think ?
21:12 < _cheerios> just bad configuration. you have all the information you need to fix it.
21:12 < _cheerios> i can't help do more than that myself :
21:13 < reza1> i set chmod -R 0777  /usr/share/pear/agavi
21:13 < reza1> do you have any idea cheerios?
21:14 < _cheerios> i don't use agavi via pear. i'd check the include_path and restart the webserver.
21:15 < reza1> no i never restart webservice after insrtalling agavi
21:15 < reza1> it doesn't need it
21:15 < reza1> what about open_basedir in php.ini
21:15 < reza1> ?
21:24 < _cheerios> not using that, not on a shared host
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21:27 < reza1> ok
21:27 < reza1> so 
21:27 < reza1> what do you think ?
21:27 < reza1> why i can't access to this file ?
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08:52 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:53 < _cheerios> anyone installed mysql from source lately? how'd you get the gnu linker to find the libmysqlclient*.so? mainly interested in the options. now i added it to ld.so.conf, which isn't optimal imo
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13:02 < Rayne> om nom nom http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=260448634457&Category=15687&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D1
13:02 < Rayne> :A
13:02 < Rayne> o hai guys
13:02 < Rayne> happy caturday
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14:14 < _cheerios> heh @ "Perhaps time to get a Twitter acount?" remark. ouch :)
14:15 < _cheerios> from http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2009/07/silly-silly-forbes-no-its-not-nokias-motorola-moment-very-poor-reporting.html
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16:25 < erisco>  ##php
16:25 < erisco> oops
16:25 < sth> heh
16:26 < erisco> XChat switches tabs to the last opened channel, so naturally after I type /join #agavi it switches tabs halfway through the /join ##php command
16:40 < _cheerios> crap. im full and i want to eat more.
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16:45 < erisco> _cheerios, speaking of crap, that is the gelatin stuff I had to pick up this morning from my brother's dog
16:45 < erisco> consequently, that is why I cannot eat anything at all
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16:53 < _cheerios> dog owners pick shit. that's how things are.
16:55 < erisco> _cheerios, I am not a dog owner, though, and why do I get stuck with gelatin shit that jiggles like jello but is liquid brown and turns your stomach over?
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17:25 < v-dogg> erisco: I take it you don't have children either :)
17:26 < erisco> v-dogg, no I do not, it would be a bit inappropriate for me to have children
17:28 < v-dogg> yes, if jiggly poo (or any other kind, you get too see every kind) makes your stomach turn over :)
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19:35 < _cheerios> gah. wanted to do search today, but a snag totally killed motivation :<
19:37 < erisco> "do search", how do you mean?
19:38 < sth> Yeah, it's a bit vague
19:38 < _cheerios> play with sphinx on data i have
19:40 < _cheerios> php gzcompressed data can't be uncompressed with mysql as mysql adds (and expects) 4byte header in the fields
19:51 < impl> try using gzdeflate instead
19:52 < impl> or gzinflate
19:52 < impl> rather
19:52 < impl> er no wait
19:52 < impl> gzencode/gzdecode*
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20:00 < _cheerios> SELECT UNCOMPRESS(CONCAT(0x00100, SUBSTRING(COMPRESS('moo'), 4)));
20:00 < _cheerios> that's what i needed.
20:02 < _cheerios> close atleast. problem is i have the data in the db already. need a migration or a clever solution.
20:15 < erisco> I am writing a tutorial on how to make a basic web form in PHP. anyone care to review it when I am done?
20:16 < v-dogg> yes (quickly now, more closely tomorrow)
20:16 < erisco> ah, well, I will not have it done quickly
20:20 < erisco> v-dogg, I keep rethinking how to structure the field values and the errors :P
20:22 < v-dogg> pm a link to me when you have one ready
20:24 < erisco> v-dogg, well, I can give you what I have thus far
20:26 < erisco> v-dogg, normally the code is highlighted and spaced better but I am just going to give you a dump of it on an html page without styling
20:27 < erisco> v-dogg, http://needtodevelop.com/currenttut.html
20:28 < erisco> v-dogg, it leaves off part-way through but it should be relatively accurate up until then... have not proof-read any of it yet
20:32 < _cheerios> http://s.hassut.com/hassut/f/9/3/2039.jpg :)
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21:20 < _cheerios> for the record: using 0x0yyy0000 in the above sql seems to work for uncompressing gzcompressed data. not sure why 0x0y... wasn't enough
22:13  * erisco is nearing completion of his tutorial
22:14 < erisco> its over 3300 words thus far, excluding code. Been a while since I have wrote anything this lengthy
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06:40 < v-dogg> huomenta
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08:31 < MikeSeth> huomenta
08:36 < _cheerios> huomenta!
08:36 < _cheerios> mmm.. watching this trailer brings back many retro gaming moments http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-extended-insanely-twisted/52736
08:49 < _cheerios> http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/oceanco-yacht/9024-review-oceanco-269-alfa-nero.html
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09:24 < _cheerios> uhh.. ze neck pains :< maybe a job will ehlp
09:45 < MikeSeth> get a backrub
09:45 < MikeSeth> man why cant i get backrubs over the internet
09:53 < horros> Huomenta.
09:53 < horros> My name is Markus, and apparently I'm a workaholic.
09:53 < horros> Thus, I have a question; how'd I go about debugging tests?-)
09:54 < horros> assertResponseHasTag(array('tag' => 'p', 'content' => 'Anna salasana')); returns false, yet if I leave the field empty and hit submit on the page, I get a <p class="error">Anna salasana.</p>
09:55 < horros> Is there any way to get my paws on the response (output) to peek at what's actually happening?
09:56 < sth> Yes.
09:56 < horros> Ah, there we go.
09:56  * horros <- iidjit
09:56 < sth> Yup
09:57 < sth> I'm sure getResponse() was too hard for you :)
09:58 < horros> Hmm.
09:58 < horros> sth: Hey, I'm, on vacation! I'm not required to think!
09:58 < sth> Loser :)
10:01 < horros> Hmh.
10:01 < horros> FPF doesn't seem to be injecting the error when I'm running the test.
10:02  * horros curses
10:02 < horros> Why is this not working!
10:02 < sth> Becayse everyone/thing hates you
10:02 < horros> I see.
10:02 < horros> In that case, I'll go read my book instead.
10:02  * horros &
10:02 < MikeSeth> horros: the base submit url must be identical
10:03 < horros> MikeSeth: It ought to be.
10:03 < horros> as far as I can tell.
10:04 < horros> MikeSeth: Besides, my LoginAction::executeWrite() returns a nonexistent 'Meh' -view.
10:04 < horros> and var_dumping $this->response->getContent() returns the input template
10:04 < horros> Eait.
10:05 < horros> WTf
10:05 < horros> <base href="http://SERVER_NAME:0/" />
10:05 < horros> :O
10:05 < MikeSeth> oh, classic
10:05 < MikeSeth> agavi version?
10:06 < horros> 1.0.1
10:06 < MikeSeth> mmmhmm, sapi?
10:07 < horros> mmhm. PHP 5.2.10
10:08 < horros> Apache 2.2.11, name virtual host
10:08 < horros> running on port 80
10:09 < MikeSeth> durrrr i donno what causes this :<
10:09 < MikeSeth> i used to have this problem when running from console
10:09 < horros> Ah, yes, well, the tests run from the console, naturally.
10:10 < horros> I'll muck about with the sample app and see if I can fingure anything out.
10:10 < MikeSeth> well durr
10:11 < MikeSeth> you cant calculate baseHre in console
10:11 < horros> So how on earth are flow tests supposed to work then?
10:12 < horros> I can't really start making two separate templates, one with a hardcoded base href
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10:15 < Seldaek> I know I got flow test to work at some point, and didn't have to tinker with that afaik
10:17 < horros> I believe I had it working too, but I think that was pre-1.0.0
10:21 < Seldaek> ah I got them running again :p
10:21 < Seldaek> sort of.. 
10:24 < Seldaek> most tests fail with RuntimeException: Error in my_thread_global_end(): 2 threads didn't exit
10:24 < Seldaek> whatever that is:)
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13:13 < _cheerios> has anyone made their slot setups into template tags, instead of initing them in the views each time?
13:22 < MikeSeth> and then do what, swap them out in a filter?
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13:25 < _cheerios> just to void the necessarity of initing them everywhere separately once the slot has been setup
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13:26 < _cheerios> basically instead of a line in the view and tpl, you'd just have a line in the tpl
13:38 < _cheerios> "company denies its robots feed on the dead" now that's a headline *g*
14:19 < _cheerios> finally sphinx up and running <3 and a 500mg'er helped some w/neck pain <3<3
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18:19 < erisco> v-dogg, okay, I have finished the first draft of my tutorial
18:20 < v-dogg> lemme see, please
18:21 < erisco> v-dogg, http://needtodevelop.com/currenttut.html
18:21 < erisco> I am going to begin rereading it now too
18:22 < erisco> I think I want to say a few more things in the conclusion... hopefully I can refresh what those things were by rereading what I wrote :P
18:22 < erisco> v-dogg, I apologize for the lack of code highlighting and formatting... its just an html dump of it. Habari doesn't let me "partially publish" an article
18:23 < v-dogg> no problem :)
18:26 < v-dogg> I thought you were writing about Agavi :)
18:26 < erisco> v-dogg, I thought you thought I would have been too
18:26 < erisco> but sadly, no, I am writing in general. I spend enough time on ##php to want to refer something to people who do not understand how to do this
18:27 < erisco> and it was common enough to drive me to write how
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18:31 < erisco> "Check http://php.net if you I will include links for each one for your convenience."
18:31 < erisco> oops :P
18:33 < _cheerios> pretty low level introduction. makes for easier (?) understanding for newbies atleast.
18:33 < erisco> it is definitely designed to be basic
18:34 < erisco> as I reread I am making slight changes. let me know what you think I should C, U, D, or re-R ;)
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18:51 < erisco> one thing I am doing right now is giving examples as to how bad input data itself can be harmful
18:52 < erisco> instead of just the array-key and is it string or is it an array issues
18:52 < erisco> makes it sound a bit more convincing. I mention SQL injection and cross-site scripting attacks and link to their wikipedia pages
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20:12 < _cheerios> nice thunder!
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20:19 < erisco> finally got it published
20:20 < erisco> quite a lot of work to get something like that done, wow
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20:44 < erisco> v-dogg, so I guess you did not care to read it after you found out it was not about Agavi?
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20:50 < _cheerios> he's probably sleeping by now, it's nearly midnight.
20:53 < erisco> oh, one of those across-the-water people
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21:19 < _cheerios> bleh. css all messed up when returning html on ajax response :<
21:22 < _cheerios> hmm, moving <ul> outside the response seemed to fix the issue o_O
21:26 < sth> I hate returning HTML on a XHR request
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21:51 < _cheerios> haven't advanced to the js-tpl's plane yet
21:56 < _cheerios> was wondering what to use for search results when no string provided. britney spears.
22:08 < _cheerios> fs doctrine you pos :<
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07:32 < v-dogg> huomenta
07:32 < ttj> Yo.
07:32 < MikeSeth> huomenta
07:32 < MikeSeth> my finger hurts :<
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07:32 < simoncpu> weee wee wee
07:32 < simoncpu> huomentaweeweeeweee
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07:32 < splatch> welcome back :)
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07:32 < graste> huomenta
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09:23 < simoncpu> huomenta
09:23 < simoncpu> how do i use sessions in agavi?
09:23 < Xylakant> horros: you can also apply the appropriate patch
09:23 < Xylakant> I can look up the changeset for you
09:23 < simoncpu> does setAttribute() sets the sessions?
09:23 < Jarda> simoncpu: via user
09:24 < horros> Xylakant: That'd be splendid, good sir!
09:24 < simoncpu>  $this->getContext()->getUser()->setAttribute()?
09:24 -!- Xylakant changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi : www.agavi.org : stable: 1.0.1 : maintenance: 0.11.7 : svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :  have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness : got no reply? use the mailing lists! : http://ohloh.net/p/agavi : logs at http://www.agavi.org/irclogs : http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC : WEBKIT FTW
09:24 < simoncpu> uhm... why is it called getUser()?
09:25 < simoncpu> it sounds like a specialized login system
09:25 < Xylakant> user is the abstraction for any data that outlives the request
09:25 < Xylakant> because the data is usually tied to a user
09:25 < Xylakant> it could have been called usersession or whatever, it's user because it has always been user
09:26 < Xylakant> btw: agavi.org is available again
09:26 < simoncpu> ah oki
09:27 < _cheerios> Xylakant, what was up with the server in the end
09:28 < Xylakant> out of memory obviously
09:28 < Xylakant> trac ate to much ram
09:28 < _cheerios> heh :)
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09:29 < _cheerios> man, working on svn hooks :< lots of bash lines to decypher and debug
09:36 < Xylakant> horros: it's http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/4099
09:36 < Xylakant> so changeset 4099 on trunk
09:36 < Xylakant> it should apply clean to 1.0.1
09:38 < horros> Thanks, I'll give it a shot!
09:44 < Xylakant> it completely changes the flow testcase though
09:48 < horros> That's ok, I'm just getting started with the flow tests
09:48 < horros> It seemed to apply the patch properly as far as I can tell.
09:54 < horros> Hmm.
09:54 < horros> exception 'InvalidArgumentException' with message 'Template file could not be loaded.' in C:\Projects\nappula3\src\libs\agavi\vendor\PHPUnit\Util\Template.php:110
09:55 < horros> Perhaps the patch wasn't applied properly after all.
09:55 < sth> If I didn't know better, I'd say the cleaner changes the settings on my chair when she/he comes in
09:57 < Xylakant> hmm, weird error
09:58 < Xylakant> can you try and figure out what template file it tries to load?
09:59 < horros> Sure, sec
10:00 < horros> It's trying to load that new TestCaseMethod.tpl -file
10:00 < horros> which for some reason is not in my export
10:00 < horros> Let me try again.
10:00 < horros> hmm, wait
10:00 < horros> svn export doesn't copy files that aren't under version control, does it?
10:01 < horros> Hmmmmh.
10:01 < sth> unlikely.
10:01 < horros> Maybe I'll just switch to trunk instead.
10:02 < horros> Set it to writch the WC and go out for a smoke, make some coffee, maybe go fish for a while, make lunch, write a novel and then look at it.
10:02 < horros> ....and notice it's about 10% done.
10:03 < horros> I think it does a whopping 5kB/s
10:04 < sth> Cant get into town where there's 3G?
10:05 < horros> That'd be a 60km drive back and forth just to update Agavi.
10:05 < horros> Don't be silly, Si.
10:05 < sth> Sorry :(
10:06 < graste> flying to the Agavi hq in munich and getting the version on a usb stick would probably be faster than doing svn up via gprs :D
10:07 < sth> We'll mail you a USB key with trunk on it :)
10:08 < horros> Thanks Subversion!
10:08 < horros> It nuked my modified templates.
10:08 < sth> tw
10:08 < sth> err, yw
10:09 < horros> cig ->
10:09 < sth> It appears I've wasted my bandwidth downloading top gear, David's not in today
10:16 < horros> still updating
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10:25 < saracen> =(
10:26 < horros> yay
10:26 < horros> done
10:26 < horros> almost 20 minutes to do a complete svn up :)
10:29 < _cheerios> 30 seconds without the language support :p
10:31 < MikeSeth> horros: dont do svn switch on modified repos :P
10:32 < horros> MikeSeth: I didn't.
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10:38 < horros> hmmh.
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10:41 < horros> I still can't seem to get this to work.
10:41 < horros> :|
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10:54 < horros> Just can't get flow tests to work with FPF :(
10:54  * horros cries
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11:12  * sth mocks horros 
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11:36 < _cheerios> got obama condoms as a souvenir http://www.practicesafepolicy.com/store.php
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12:02 < Xylakant> horros: what's the problem?
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13:12 < sth> I have absolutely no idea how this class is being made.
13:12 < sth> I just wrote a custom validator and it already had an instance of one of my models
13:14 < impl> what? :P
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13:18 < sth> $this->getData($this->getArgument()); already contain an instance of my model
13:20 < sth> contained*
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13:22 < sth> If I change the <argument> value, it's back to being my input value 
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13:40 < saracen> sth: you just suck
13:41 < saracen> but in a t-shirt givable friendly way
13:41 < sth> Tough luck on that front
13:45 < saracen> sucker
13:45  * saracen has figured out the smallest part of a huge encryption algorithm, and it only took 5 hours =(
13:46 < sth> gj!
13:46 < saracen> ty! It's amazing that you start to think it'd just be easier to write in ASM
13:48 < saracen> and now I find out by searching for the algorithm, that its part of the random number generator used.
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14:02 < MikeSeth> saracen: durr, why are you doing that
14:02  * MikeSeth smothers saracen with elliptic curve cryptography
14:02 < _cheerios> saracen is going black hat
14:04 < sth> He needs something to cover his bad hair cut.
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14:04 < sth> :D
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14:10 < sth> wtf
14:10 < sth> Alan Sugar is now "Baron" Sugar
14:10 < sth> He's made a lot from selling crap computers
14:13 < saracen> MikeSeth: Guild Wars emulation :P
14:15 < sth> saracen: That's a worthy cause...
14:16 < MikeSeth> 
14:17 < saracen> youre a student, dont talk to me about worthy causes
14:17 < saracen> you could have just visited a library
14:17 < sth> I'm not a student any more
14:18 < saracen> Oh, erm
14:18 < saracen> Then i do not have any comeback
14:18 < saracen> so there
14:20 < sth> http://localhostr.com/files/76d7c5/photo.jpg see, expired.
14:21 < saracen> pink =(
14:23 < sth> I used to have awesome student hair
14:23 < MikeSeth> but then cops tracked it down?
14:24 < sth> No, I had it cut
14:29 < _cheerios> baldness at a young age is unfortunate
14:30 < sth> I'm not bald.
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15:00 < erisco> good afternoon everyone
15:00 < erisco> actually, it is not afternoon here and I am figuring it is nearing the evening in Germany
15:00 < erisco> I just averaged t
15:00 < sth> I'ts 17:22
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15:01 < erisco> +6 from me then, which is GMT+1 then?
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15:02 < erisco> Xylakant, did any discussion happen about the features for Redracer?
15:03 < sth> GMT+2 atm
15:03 < sth> It's "summer time"
15:03 < erisco> ah ha
15:04 < sth> Germany goes back to +1 in Oct
15:04 < erisco> we have daylight savings time too
15:04 < erisco> although I completely forget what the interval is
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15:05 < Xylakant> summer? where?
15:05 < Xylakant> erisco: david has been unreachable for most of last week. Sorry
15:06 < Xylakant> he's ill today, but should be back tomorrow
15:06 < erisco> oh, well I hope he gets well
15:06 < sth> He's being a girl with a cold.
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15:55  * Wombert stabs sth 
15:56 < Wombert> MikeSeth: wake up
16:01  * Xylakant pokes wombert
16:02 < Xylakant> i was curious and tested your keyboard
16:02 < Wombert> did it explode? :)
16:02 < Xylakant> not at all
16:02 < Wombert> very good
16:02 < Xylakant> feels all fresh and new
16:02 < Xylakant> all keys work
16:02 < Wombert> DID YOU WASH YOUR HANDS BEFORE YOU DID THAT
16:02 < Wombert> OR WAS IT ALL IN VEIN
16:02 < Wombert> :>>>
16:03 < Xylakant> i used gloves so i'd not leave any prints
16:04 < Wombert> good man
16:04 < Xylakant> silk gloves 
16:04 < Wombert> impl: people will chuckle and giggle and call us tools for calling it "Tool" :(
16:04 < Xylakant> and I threw them away afterwards
16:06 < Wombert> I'll reimburse you
16:07 < Wombert> now if you excuse me
16:07 < Wombert> I must go find miek
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16:16 < graste> wombert off to israel now? ^^
16:19 < erisco> impl, told you
16:20 < impl> Maybe you guys are just immature
16:20 < impl> I'll argue with him about it on Skype and inevitably win
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16:24 < erisco> is it not called an execution container right now? that is what we are naming right?
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16:50 < impl> erisco: it's the execution container plus all the stuff the execution container invokes
16:50 < erisco> right
16:50 < erisco> okay
16:51 < erisco> $you = new Tool;
16:51  * erisco chuckles
16:51  * impl already noted that there would never be a class with that name
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16:52 < erisco> "By convention, we call this grouping of an execution container and the items it invokes a tool."
16:52 < impl> yes
16:52 < impl> or maybe 'the tool'
16:52  * erisco snickers
16:53 < impl> oh come on
16:53 < erisco> "In any Agavi application, the tool is most important"
16:53 < impl> If we went with something like 'tool layer', would you find it less amusing?
16:53 < erisco> "We let the tool do the execution of our application"
16:53  * impl slaps erisco 
16:54 < impl> "You also perform penetration testing with the tool"
16:54 < erisco> maybe a toolbox
16:54 < impl> mh
16:54 < impl> it's not a toolbox though
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16:56 < erisco> okay, maybe we can just get used to calling it a tool
16:57 < erisco> we do use it to do all the work
16:57 < erisco> that'd make it a tool
16:58 < impl> it's better than most of the other crazy suggestions
16:59 < erisco> was "body" or "application body" that bad?
16:59 < impl> I don't know
16:59 < saracen> I havent read up
16:59 < saracen> But i hope you guys are joking
16:59 < saracen> Calling it a tool would be the worst name ever
16:59 < erisco> well, impl isn't
17:00 < impl> saracen: Why's that?
17:00 < saracen> He just wants things named after him, thats why
17:00  * erisco laughs out loud
17:00 < impl> a) I didn't come up with the name
17:00 < impl> b) Fuck you
17:01 < saracen> Because 'tool' is really generic, and doesnt fit
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17:01 < saracen> might as well call it the 'thing'
17:01 < impl> saracen: http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~trygver/themes/mvc/mvc-index.html
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17:03 < saracen> The user is a skeleton. You can't take this page seriously.
17:03 < impl> I'm really not in the mood today, saracen 
17:04 < saracen> You're considering the name tool, you're obviously in a humorous mood. Plus you need to stop saying that, you havent been in the mood the last 10 times I've spoken to you
17:04 < saracen> You're starting to sound like my girlfriend
17:05  * impl sighs and goes back to work
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17:05 < saracen> Fine, don't put out
17:05 < saracen> you'll miss it when its gone
17:06 < sth> ugh, he left
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17:31 < saracen> ugh, i've forgotten everything i learnt about mootools =(
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18:18 < shrink0r> graste: home first :P
18:20  * sth hits saracen with a cluebat
18:20 < graste> ^^
18:22 < saracen> sth: SUP SABRE?
18:23 < sth> Nothing
18:23 < sth> If David allows me I'll be back in the UK early sept
18:24 < sth> So you can have a tshirt then
18:26 < v-dogg> "if david allows me"? are you afraid he's going to me you fix your shit before he gives your passport back?
18:27 < v-dogg> :p
18:27 < sth> He runs Bitextender like a human trafficing  house
18:28 < sth> It depends if I'm allowed the time off for a holiday
18:31 < v-dogg> you get holidays? I thought that would happen only after a few years
18:31 < sth> I have 11 days for my internship
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18:55 < graste> http://my.opera.com/hallvors/blog/2009/07/20/most-expensive-javascript-ever
18:55 < graste> <:
18:58 < sth> I read that earlier
18:58 < sth> I think they were right to redirect opera users
18:58 < graste> <:
18:58 < graste> too funny :)
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19:01 < sth> Poor dell.
19:01 < graste> you think it was dell?
19:02 < sth> It wasn't HP
19:03 < sth> They're in the photo they link to
19:03 < sth> And all there other servers are dell
19:03 < graste> hehe,k 
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19:26 < graste> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0397/1778_265f.png
19:26 < graste> -.-
19:28 < _cheerios> heh
19:29 < graste> shrink0r: click that link!!1
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19:45 < sth> rofl, David's spilled water on ANOTHER laptop
19:45 < sth> It was about this time last year he did last
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20:07 < _cheerios> odd impulse to go from wanting a new laptop upping the odds of having to get one
20:19 < ttj> I think one of the more classical things to do is to use your laptop as a tray for carrying a bunch of coffee mugs to the meeting room with.
20:19 < ttj> And stuff that natural follows out of that situation.
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20:27 < graste> perhaps david should buy hardened, military grade all weather notebooks instead of macbooks from now on :P
20:28 < _cheerios> ttj, i'm tired of my work laptop -- but i noticed one of our servers is unused, im plugging that in later this week :)
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20:28 < ttj> I need to drag a couple of servers from the other end of the building to my cubicle so I can block anyone from moving into the same cubicle.
20:29 < ttj> That way I can get a double-sized area for myself, in addition to the window. \o/
20:29 < _cheerios> you need to stop jogging. that shit makes you thinner. that means, there's more room for coworkers in your cubiclez.
20:30 < ttj> Oh, regarding that, a really light jog on Thursday?
20:31 < _cheerios> "really light jog". somehow i have bad feeling about this.
20:31 < _cheerios> 5pm?
20:31 < ttj> Nah. I have die Infernal Maschine now that forbids me from running too fast.
20:31 < ttj> Sounds like a plan.
20:33 < ttj> It's telling me that on Thu I should have a 60min workout with TE 2.5, meaning that I guess my heart rate should stay under 140 or something.
20:34 < _cheerios> I think i'll order this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060799072?ie=UTF8&tag=moserware-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0060799072
20:35 < _cheerios> your 140 will be like 210 for me
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20:37 < ttj> Not likely. It's been turning out that I have been training in a seriously stupid way.
20:37 < ttj> Now I'm back to square 1 and trying to learn how to run very slow and keep my heart rate in check.
20:37 < ttj> (So some of the recent jogs have been only slightly faster than walking...)
20:41 < _cheerios> i heard that monitoring device is quite handy. never used one.
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20:51 < impl> millions of NOK is like $3
20:52 < _cheerios> SEBs revenue dropped from 3.5B SEK to .5M SEK. that's around minus $12.
20:53 < impl> :D
20:56 < _cheerios> sphinx is live and searching. weekend scrum accomplished \o/
21:01 < _cheerios> tomorrow finally time to look into varnish -- been waiting for this
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06:35 < electron> what would be the easiest way to add a login functionality to an agavi app? 
06:35 < Jarda> http://svn.agavi.org/branches/1.0/samples/app/lib/user/AgaviSampleAppUser.class.php
06:36 < Jarda> look at the sample app for how to use the login functionality
06:36 < Jarda> actually the command line generator should add a LoginAction automatically to one of the modules
06:37 < Jarda> then you just overwrite isSecure in your actions which you want to secure.. public function isSecure() { return true; } or something like that
06:37 < electron> Jarda : i installed via pear, where do i find the samples? are they downloaded automatically or do i have to get them from svn ?
06:38 < Jarda> I don't know. Never instaleld via pear
06:38 < Jarda> but they definitely are in svn
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06:39 < electron> Jarda : ok, also i tried downloading the tutorial bloggie app, for some reason i see no index.php file in the pub folder for the stage7, am i missing out something?
06:40 < Jarda> yeah, index.php and .htaccess are environment specific, so you copy them from dev/pub and modify to fit your environment
06:40 < electron> ah ok, got it. thanks 
06:40 < Jarda> np
06:41 < electron> you mentioned that the command line generator automatically adds LoginAction to one of the modules, does agavi come with other default actions , where do i find the documentation. 
06:42 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:44 < Jarda> iirc the command line generator creates Error404Action, ModuleDisabledAction, UnavailableAction, SecureAction
06:44 < Jarda> I don't know if this is well documented anywhere
06:46 < electron> Jarda : in the bloggie app, i see a folder called libs , i see a folder called agavi and several folders in it, exception, logging, renderer and lots more. what are these? 
06:46 < electron> also these folders aren't created when i use the project wizard, how do i get these?
06:47 < v-dogg> "mkdir exception"
06:47 < v-dogg> :)
06:48 < v-dogg> app/lib/ is for your own project-specific extensions
06:48 < v-dogg> like, if you want to extend AgaviSecurityUser to implement your own stuff you are supposed to put MyUser.class.php into app/lib/user/
06:49 < Jarda> actually libs/agavi is just agavi's src-folder
06:49 < Jarda> the same you get via pear
06:49 < Jarda> so it
06:49 < Jarda> so it's just a project-local agavi installation
06:49 < v-dogg> I take it he was talking about app/lib although he said "libs"
06:49 < v-dogg> oh no
06:49 < Jarda> I just downloaded one of the stage-tarballs
06:49 < v-dogg> sorry, that is actually, like Jarda said, the agavi core
06:50 < Jarda> the stages are meant afaik to be standalone apps to have a quick demo app
06:50 < v-dogg> time to make me a big hot capucino before trying to be any more helpful :)
06:55 < electron> ah ok . its more clear now :) thanks 
06:56 < electron> does agavi come with any libraries? like how zend does, i know i can always plugin other libraries, just curious, if agavi has some funky stuff of its own
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07:13 < _cheerios> huomenta
07:15 < _cheerios> apollo 11 code open sourced. now i just need a rocket and i'll be goin' to the moon, asap
07:16 < ttj> Next startup idea? Provide one-way space flight for persona non grata -types?
07:16 < electron> _cheerios : you're really hate glitches in the code, when you're at escape velocity
07:17 < electron> SpacetanamoR
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07:28 < graste> huomenta
07:29 < Jarda> electron: agavi has no such things as "Zend_Pdf" or similar
07:37 < hzilla> hey when i'm validating a form array input, the first argument gets cast as an int but the second as a string event though its an int and i specified int as a parameter
07:40 < Jarda> please paste your validator (and maybe also the html)
07:40 < hzilla> http://pastebin.com/d17821591
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07:40 < hzilla> in this case validation is successful, but qty is a string and product_id is an int
07:42 < sth> Morning
07:42 < Jarda> I'm not 100% sure, but I guess agavis own validators do not cast anything, unless you explicitly export, someone please correct me
07:43 < hzilla> yeh but the input value is exactly the same - they should be either both int or both string
07:43 < hzilla> not that its a big problem but it seems like an inconsistency
07:43 < Jarda> true, I've never user multiple arguments per validator, so I don't know
07:43 < ttj> _cheerios: Ok, so Thu at 5pm. Should I come by your office, or?
07:45 < hzilla> jarda: splitting them into separate validator gives a more consistent result (int)
07:45 < _cheerios> ttj, that, or by the bridge next to thaiger
07:45 < ttj> Ok, sure.
07:45 < Jarda> yeah, either this is a bug or then something else funny, maybe someone from bitxtender should look into it..
07:46 < _cheerios> ok, bridge it is
07:47 < hzilla> ok - i'll pass it over later
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08:58 < simoncpu> huomenta
08:58 < simoncpu> can a model instantiate another model within its class?
09:00 < v-dogg> $this->getContext()->getModel
09:01 < simoncpu> uhm... i thought models are "independent" classes that can be used outside agavi
09:01 < simoncpu> if i use  $this->getContext()->getModel, then it will make the class agavi-specific
09:01 < simoncpu> uhm...
09:03 < Jarda> yeah, if you extend agavimodel and call it's initialize, your models get context-aware
09:04 < Jarda> *its
09:04 < Jarda> and that's the way it shoudl be (imo)
09:04 < simoncpu> ah, okidoki... i think i get it now...
09:04 < simoncpu> another question
09:04 < simoncpu> if i do somethin like:
09:05 < simoncpu> $myclass =  $this->getContext()->getModel('MyClass');
09:05 < simoncpu> how can i pass a parameter to its constructor, like $myclass = new MyClass('param'); ?
09:05 < Jarda> $this->getContext()->getModel('MyClass', null, array('param'))
09:06 < simoncpu> coool
09:06 < simoncpu> thank you so much!
09:06 < graste> :)
09:06 < Jarda> and in your MyClass model you create a initialize(AgaviContext $context, array $parameters) and that param will be $parameters[0]
09:07 < simoncpu> ah, so i need to use initialize() instead of __construct()?
09:08 < Jarda> yeah
09:08 < simoncpu> btw, if the 2nd param in getModel() is set to null, will it automatically look for the model inside its own module?
09:08 < Jarda> no
09:08 < Jarda> then it looks in app/models/
09:08 < simoncpu> ah...
09:09 < Jarda> http://codepad.org/6nzaMc68
09:10 < Jarda> I don't use constructors in my models, as I do all constructing via initialize
09:11 < simoncpu> ah...
09:11 < simoncpu> we need to manually call AgaviModel's initialize() as well?
09:11 < Jarda> yeah, or do all the context-related stuff in you own initialize()
09:15 < CIA-54> david * r4198 /branches/1.0/ (433 files in 3 dirs): Updated timezone database to 2009k, closes #1121
09:17 < simoncpu> btw, how can i get the current module name?
09:17 < simoncpu> uhm... i thought getContext()->getName() returns the module name...
09:18 < graste> $container->getModuleName()
09:19 < graste> $container->getActionName() and $container->getViewName() as well
09:20 < graste> $this->getContainer()->...
09:21 < simoncpu> graste: cool, that works!
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09:37 < archtech> I've been wondering, have you guys ever considered profiting from that framework.
09:37 < CIA-54> david * r4199 /branches/0.11/ (433 files in 3 dirs): merge [4198/branches/1.0_], refs #1121
09:40 < Xylakant> archtech: in what way?
09:41 < archtech> Xylakant, I don't know. Paid support tiers, integration plugins.
09:41 < archtech> commercial-only components.
09:42 < Xylakant> like this http://bitextender.de/services.html ?
09:42 < Xylakant> yes, we did think about that and we actually do :)
09:43 < Xylakant> though we don't have commercial only components in a sense that would restrict the framework for non-paying users
09:46 < simoncpu> archtech: open source devs often indirectly profit from their work through name recall
09:46 < simoncpu> name recall == ability to negotiate for higher pay
09:47 < simoncpu> Hi! My name is Linus! I demand $1000 per hour!
09:48 < Xylakant> simoncpu: that's sometimes the case but I'd be careful with the "often"
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09:49 < riddler> hello
09:49 < simoncpu> uhm... uhm....
09:49 < simoncpu> Xylakant: open source devs have high karma; they will go to heaven :)
09:51 < archtech> simoncpu, seems like open source devs are also kinda gullible ;) ?
09:51 < archtech> Street cred isn't the best way to profit from OSS anyway.
09:51 < archtech> Unless you're Linus. Linus is one.
09:51 < archtech> If none of us here is Linus, we're out of luck.
09:53 < riddler> What is the best way to externalise my e-mail text?
10:02 < Xylakant> riddler: explain a little more, please
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10:06 < riddler> hmm i have a tool which sends emails at special points in the tool.
10:07 < riddler> and i have no idea how to externalise the e.mail text
10:07 < riddler> in the text ther are some placeholder for vairables like firstname, lastname a.s.o
10:08 < riddler> i search for the best way to handle this..
10:10 < riddler> How to save? Database, txt or XML?
10:10 < riddler> Best way to parse the saved text
10:10 < riddler> ?
10:11 < graste> templates?
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10:12 < riddler> graste do u have an example?
10:20 < Xylakant> riddler: a common solution would be to create your email by using a dedicated action/view/template combo
10:20 < Xylakant> the template contains the email-text
10:21 < Xylakant> you can create an execution container using $this->getContext()->getController()->createExecutionContainer('modulename', 'actionname', array(parameters));
10:21 < Xylakant> you can then execute that container and retrieve it's result
10:23 < Jarda> do ajax-requests strip unicode characters or something away
10:23 < riddler> ok
10:23 < graste> yes, or you create a model that encapsulates sending mails or your create some mail queue if you are required to bulk send or send emails async
10:23 < graste> depends on your requirements, I'd say (as always)
10:24 < graste> this old link from 2008 may also help as an inspiration: http://pastie.org/331251 I didn't have a close look at this; beware of the copyright; you may of course use ezcomponents, swiftmailer, zendmail or whatever fits your needs :)
10:25 < Jarda> because when I request a page via ajax &#160; doesn't print a "space", but &nbsp; prints
10:28 < _cheerios> thumbs up for swiftmailer. quick to setup, works great.
10:29 < Jarda> doesn't work with agavis autoload.xml though..
10:29 < Xylakant> I
10:29 < Xylakant> I'd not do it that way
10:30 < Xylakant> it uses the template/renderer directly
10:30 < Xylakant> it's far more work to get right than just creating an execution container
10:31 < Xylakant> it might give a slight performance advantage but unless you're sending thousands of emails that's not going to get you anything
10:32 < graste> yep, I like the clarity of the action/view/template solution you proposed
10:33 < Xylakant> it also allows you to sneak in a little logic
10:33 < Xylakant> so you might want to send an email to a user, but all you have is the userid
10:34 < Xylakant> you can retrieve that data in the maileraction
10:34 < Xylakant> anyways, off to lunch
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10:57 < simoncpu> hmmm... i think i should write an article on "what is a context" or something
10:57 < simoncpu> i had trouble understanding its concept at first
10:59 < simoncpu> omfg... i've just realized that i don't really know what a context is
11:00 < simoncpu> uhm... what is a context? what does it really mean?
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11:47 < _cheerios> python libs feel so weak after getting spoiled by php :<
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12:08 < electron> is there a walkthrough that explains how to implement a login system in agavi, i checked out the sample code, but i'm still a bit lost 
12:09 < Jarda> if I send a form using ajax-request, how can I get the validation-messages injected to my form? :)
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12:13 < graste> electron: perhaps redracer code helps a bit: http://trac.redracer.org/browser/trunk/app/lib/user/RedracerUser.class.php
12:13 < graste> after that you define necessary credentials in your actions with getCredentials(): http://trac.redracer.org/browser/trunk/app/modules/User/actions/IndexAction.class.php
12:14 < graste> Jarda: return those errors as json and display them back to the user
12:15 < graste> sth like http://pastie.org/553264
12:16 < graste> in your error view's executeJson
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12:16 < Jarda> hmm, I'll try something like that
12:17 < graste> you need to write some client side code of course
12:17 < graste> like iterating over the errors and inserting them as UL/LIs or whatever
12:18 < graste> or you return html code with error messages when your XHR call fails and insert that snippet directly in your <div class="error">
12:18 < graste> whatever you like :p
12:19 < sth> graste: wrong person :)
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12:22  * graste should remember to slap sth til he renames himself to SOMETHING =)
12:23 < sth> Nevar!
12:23 < sth> And I'm not named after 'something', I'm named after my actual name Simon Thulbourn
12:24 < sth> sth is my typical *nix username because I'm too lazy to type sthulbourn everytime I want to login
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12:27 < electron> graste : thanks, makes things a bit clearer. so if my understanding is correct, if i create a module called 'user' then all classes in libs/User/ will automatically be available in Modules/User/actions for extending right?
12:29 < graste> you don't need to create a user module - that's just the way redracer does it
12:31 < electron> graste : oh ok, supposing i had a situation where i have different options for different types of users, what would be the best way to do it. should i redirect after successful login, and have different views for different users? 
12:32 < graste> look at http://trac.redracer.org/browser/trunk/app/config/rbac_definitions.xml and then the routing.xml (bottom) and the defined default login module/action in settings.xml
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12:37 < graste> you mark actions as secure with the isSecure() method (returns true) and define the needed credentials to access this action (credentials are defined in rbac_definitions.xml) and the user class you use extends AgaviRbacSecurityUser - if credentials are not given, redirect to login, user logs in via loginaction (which uses User methods for convenience to check given password etc)
12:37 < graste> the user class is defined in factories.xml: <user class="RedracerUser" />
12:37 < graste> in that case
12:39 < electron> graste : will try it out. ty 
12:40 < graste> no worries
12:40 < saracen> Anybody got any idea how I could reverse this: 1 << ( n * 2 )
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12:42 < graste> >>
12:42 < graste> =)
12:43 < saracen> you suck :P
12:43 < graste> ^^
12:43 < graste> vv
12:43 < graste> :D
12:43 < saracen> >> DOOR.
12:44 < graste> but it's the true
12:44 < graste> you shift left and then reverse it by right shifting the equal amount of bits :p
12:45 < saracen> Bits would be cut off though, when you're moving it right, you're effectively appending zeros (or prefixing, depending on how you read your binary :P)
12:45 < saracen> At the minute, that equation will give me 64, when n is 3
12:45 < saracen> I need to figure out how to turn 64 back in to 3
12:46 < saracen> and I'm terrible at math, and my personal math genius is AFK
12:46 < saracen> I even went to ask impl, but he's AFK too =(
12:50 < Jarda> nice, upgrading mootools broke a ton of other js stuff
12:50 < Jarda> and I upgraded 1.2->1.2.3
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12:58 < Jarda> wtf
12:59 < Jarda> something breaks in 1.2->1.2.1
13:01 < Jarda> makes my head hurt..
13:05 < Wombert> yeah mootools do that sometimes
13:05 < Wombert> it's annoying :(
13:06 < Wombert> like that hashmap stuff
13:06 < splatch> hello :)
13:06 < Wombert> right, Xylakant?
13:06 < Xylakant> hmm?
13:06 < Jarda> where's digitarald
13:06 < Xylakant> yes
13:06 < Jarda> hes script breaks
13:06 < Xylakant> which script
13:07 < Jarda> squeezebox
13:07 < Jarda> something odd, no error message but the content is somehow f*cked up
13:07 < Jarda> I have a table with inputs and they get rendered wrong..
13:10 < Jarda> ok, and now it works
13:10 < Jarda> this hurts my head even more..
13:26 < _cheerios> old cache?-)
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13:41 < Jarda> seems so
13:41 < Jarda> even though I pushed ctrl+f5
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14:10 < MikeSeth_> ohai
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14:52 < sth> I want to stab Mozilla
14:59 < saracen> He'd eat you
15:04 < sth> saracen: Yes, because we know Mozilla is just one person.
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15:19 < saracen> sth: I was talking about the dinosaur
15:20 < saracen> http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/07/mozilla.png
15:20 < saracen> This dude.
15:20 < saracen> Also, somebody convince me to buy an iPhone
15:20 < saracen> after fucking about with this shit openmoko which promises do everything and actually does *nothing*. I want something that can do everything and last.
15:21 < sth> saracen: Get an iPhone, it works.
15:21 < saracen> white or black?
15:21 < saracen> ;)
15:21 < sth> black
15:21 < saracen> Buying now.
15:22 < sth> most of the bx staff have them
15:22 < saracen> pay and go, but apparently o2 give you some form of data plan
15:22 < Rayne> and if you buy now you get one free internet, too!
15:22 < sth> saracen: Yeah
15:22 < sth> You get a year of free internet and wifi access
15:23 < saracen> sth: Do you has one?
15:23 < sth> yup
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15:24 < erisco> *37* people! this must be a record
15:24 < saracen> I cant find the 16gb one on the o2 website for buying ;x
15:25 < sth> erisco: yup
15:25 < sth> saracen: try cpw
15:25 < sth> Or Apple
15:25 < erisco> its all doing of that new Zend article I am sure :D
15:26 < sth> yup
15:26 < sth> I should write some Agavi articles
15:26 < sth> from the point of view from someone who just started to use it
15:27 < saracen> Whats with the "top up amounts". I dont have to top up do per month do I?
15:27 < saracen> As that to mean defeats the object of pay and go.
15:28 < sth> You can't buy a PAYG iphone without buying the initial topup
15:28 < saracen> Ah, so it's just the initial top up?
15:29 < saracen> Buying from Apple and CPW, do you know if they support changing my number for use on the new SIM?
15:29 < saracen> O2's website mentions it
15:31 < sth> yeah, I did it when I got a new iPhone
15:31 < saracen> Ah, just found the info
15:31 < saracen> Awesome
15:31 < sth> Just phone them up and tell them you've paid for a PAYG iphone and ask them to transfer your number
15:32 < sth> There's even a website to do it
15:52 < saracen> Ordered!
15:55 < Wombert> erisco/sth: we've had 50+ people before IIRC
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15:57 < _cheerios> what's new?
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15:59 < saracen> I feel dirty buying an apple product =(
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16:02 < sth> saracen: ssshhh, you'll soon want a mac computer
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16:16 < Wombert> yeah
16:16 < Wombert> started with an ipod for me
16:17 < Xylakant> I started with a real mac
16:17 < Xylakant> and I still don't own an ipod
16:18 < Xylakant> the good ole creative zen still does the job
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16:31 < saracen> sth: Was it you here that linked some stuff about tethering, which isnt usually allows on pay and go or something?
16:34 < sth> yup
16:34 < saracen> wut-did-you-doo?
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16:40 < sth> there's a website you visit
16:41 < sth> help.benm.at
16:41 < sth> select O2 and off you go
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17:40 < _cheerios> *burp* so stuffed. few hr nap helped.
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18:04 < __cheerios> more people would be killing for money if youdnt be in trouble with the law </obvious>
18:06 < graste> you're either good at something and earn some money to live, or you are a consulting business clown teaching others what they should've done and that you knew they're failing straight from the start and make make lots of money from this
18:06 < graste> or something like that
18:12 < __cheerios> how depressing, graste
18:12 < graste> depends :)
18:13 < graste> being a business clown gives bad karma
18:13 < graste> nobody needs that
18:13 < graste> <:
18:13 < graste> oh and don't get me wrong - nothing against business in general or startups etc ;)
18:14  * graste just hates those random ppl popping up randomly and telling others what they should've done differently without knowing shit :)
18:16 < __cheerios> any recent stories to share?
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18:18 < graste> none specific :)
18:19 < __cheerios> how boring
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19:39 < __cheerios> was wondering why chinese doesnt work in sphinx but its english+russian only by default. meh.
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20:19 < __cheerios> http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/9354p/fuck_you_blue_cross_i_give_you_fuckers_over/
20:20 < __cheerios> added to my "if-i-ever-move-to-usa checklist" x) make sure someone else pays your health insurance fully
20:21 < everplays> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj0_cC4C0i8
20:25 < __cheerios> :(
20:33 < Rayne> grrr
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20:56 < graste> hehe cheerios
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21:13 < __cheerios> if a direct correlation with faster page loads can be done with the # of pageviews, then a recent improvement I made improved pageviews for new and returning visitors by +23% and +38% respectively. definitely will put more effort into fast loading pages to see if there's a trend here.
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21:24 < saracen> "Your Apple ID is your current email address. Use the password you created when you set up your account online. If you forget or need to reset your password, go to iForgot."
21:24 < saracen> iForgot? What jokers.
21:36 < graste> ^^
21:36 < graste> iLoLed
21:42 < sth> saracen: pft
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03:31 < simoncpu> huomenta
03:32 < simoncpu> what happened to agavi's logo in wikipedia page?
03:32 < simoncpu> can i use the image in Agavi's sample app?
03:38 < impl> I don't know what license that image is under, but I wouldn't bet on it
03:38 < simoncpu> hmm... if i don't specify any license, wikipedia says that it will automatically be deleted on july 29
03:38 < impl> grrar
03:39 < impl> I'll ask Wombert in the morning.
03:39 < simoncpu> okidoki
03:40 < Jarda> it is morning
03:41 < simoncpu> i've uploaded plant.png for the mean time
03:41 < simoncpu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Agavi-logo.png
03:42 < impl> I think we have an SVG version somewhere
03:42 < simoncpu> cool
03:42 < impl> but I'll make sure. thanks.
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05:28 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:08 < simoncpu> huomenta
06:08 < simoncpu> is it possible to get the container within a model?
06:08 < simoncpu> i need to get the module name within a model
06:09 < impl> pass it to it explicitly; the model doesn't/shouldn't access that information by itself
06:10 < simoncpu> ah, i see
06:10 < simoncpu> but i need to use getModel() inside a model
06:10 < impl> you can get the context
06:11 < simoncpu> but if i don't specify the modulename in getModel(), it searches for global models
06:11 < simoncpu> instead of the current module
06:11 < impl> yeah .. so specify it explicitly ?
06:11 < simoncpu> uh... okay :)
06:11 < impl> $ctx->getModel('Name', 'Module', ...)
06:12 < simoncpu> i was planning to move the models to another module once the project grows
06:12 < simoncpu> i was hoping that there's a way to not explicitly specify the module name
06:12 < impl> umm
06:12 < impl> not that I know of
06:13 < Jarda> I use almost only project-models
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06:14 < v-dogg> simoncpu: you can do what MikeSeth does - add your own getModel() in the base action or view 
06:15 < v-dogg> which would first try to load the global model and then from the current module
06:15 < Jarda> that function can pass the container or modulename as a parameter then or something..
06:15 < simoncpu> hmmm... that's a good idea
06:16 < simoncpu> but it's like overriding agavi's functionality
06:16 < simoncpu> anyway, i'll probably do that once it's really, really needed...
06:17 < simoncpu> explicitly setting the module names in about 3 files is still manageable
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06:46 < graste> huomenta
06:50 < v-dogg> Jarda / simoncpu: the module name could be passed explicitly or one could grab the current module name from the container
06:50 < Jarda> v-dogg: models aren't container-aware (iirc)
06:51 < v-dogg> no but the model would be loaded in the base action (or view)
06:52 < v-dogg> this is what MikeSeth promotes
06:52 < Jarda> v-dogg: wasn't the problem that he wants to use getModel within a model?
06:52 < v-dogg> ah true
06:52 < Jarda> more coffee? :)
06:53 < v-dogg> I'm just going to stop helping anyone now :)
06:53 < graste> Jarda	v-dogg: wasn't the problem that he wants to use getModel within a model?
06:54 < graste> what's the problem with that?
06:54 < Jarda> graste: not knowing which module to look in
07:01 < graste> hm, either container as v-dogg pointed out or just laying out models where they belong - "global" models that all modules need in app/models and module specific models in app/modules/module/models? that's what I'd do I guess
07:02 < graste> dunno if that's the "correct" "accepted" "recommended" way of doing things though =)
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07:51 < simoncpu> do i still need to destroy sessions in agavi?
07:52 < simoncpu> i might fill up our server's tmp directory
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07:59 < _cheerios> huomenta
07:59 < benschi> homenta
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09:07 < simoncpu> hi
09:08 < simoncpu> does getModel return the value of your model's initialize() method?
09:19 < benschi> simoncpu: no it returns an Object aka your model
09:20 < MikeSeth> simoncpu: no, the model instance
09:20 < E_mE> Huomenta!!
09:20 < benschi> hey E_mE 
09:21 < E_mE> yo MikeSeth 
09:21 < E_mE> yo benschi  :)
09:21 < MikeSeth> hurr durr
09:21 < E_mE> 500 emails from a 2 week holiday \o/
09:24 < MikeSeth> im going to turkey tomorrow :P
09:24 < E_mE> Really? 
09:25 < E_mE> heh source code from the Apollo 11 Mission: http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009/07/apollo-11-missions-40th-anniversary-one.html
09:27 < Jarda> stupid mootools :(
09:27 < Jarda> or stupid ie
09:27 < Jarda> (and safari and chrome)
09:29 < saracen> halps
09:36 < _cheerios> hmm, i wonder what i did to my svn as it wont commit externals anymore
09:43 < _cheerios> svn diff wont list the external anymore, svn diff * will, commit for external will give http 400 back o_O
09:45 < saracen> Ok, so I have a two subdomains, which share the same agavi application. There's two seperate logins, which means two forms of authentication.
09:45 < saracen> Firefox doesn't seem to "share" the cookies/session, which works how I like
09:46 < saracen> IE does though, is there an "agavi" way of forcing the browser to use different cookies for the different domains?
09:47 < sth> Morning
09:48 < sth> saracen: I believe there is
09:48 < sth> Go read the Response class API
09:49 < sth> wait, wrong class
09:49 < v-dogg> factories.xml, <storage> and <parameter>
09:49 < v-dogg> but you have to look up the parameter name
09:50 < sth> http://www.agavi.org/apidocs/agavi/response/AgaviWebResponse.html
09:50 < v-dogg> and of course I'm talking about session cookies :)
09:50 < v-dogg> if you want other, user Response :)
09:50 < sth> Ah, of course :(
09:56 < _cheerios> hmm, rechecked project, committed... works. x_X
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10:17 < graste> <storage class="AgaviSessionStorage"> ... <ae:parameter name="session_cookie_domain">www.example.com</ae:parameter> <!-- cookie domain (be careful with leading '.' as cookies are then visible to all subdomains) --> ... </storage>
10:26 < Wombert> (and then put that into a <configuration> for the env in question)
10:26 < Wombert> (that's for saracen btw)
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10:31 < saracen> Hmm
10:31 < saracen> They share the same environment
10:31 < saracen> Is there a way to change the session cookie using a routing callback or something like that, Wombert?
10:31 < Wombert> no, the session has already been started at that point
10:31 < E_mE> Brüno Interview ;)  http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,634871,00.html
10:32 < saracen> So is my only option to change the environment?
10:33 < saracen> Dont suppose I can put something like POST['HTTP_SERVER'] in there either, can I? :P
10:36 < impl> Wombert: did you see the stuff about the logo that simoncpu wrote above?
10:36 < Wombert> no
10:36 < impl> Wikipedia is threatening to delete it unless we put the license on it
10:36 < impl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Agavi-logo.png
10:37 < impl> also if you have an SVG version that would be awesome
10:37 < Wombert> ah
10:37 < Wombert> god damnit
10:37 < Wombert> I don't think I have; but I have the indesign vector sources
10:37 < Wombert> might be able to export as svg
10:37 < impl> I can convert that to SVG
10:38 < Wombert> actually, *that* one... I don't think we have as a fully vectorized version
10:38 < Wombert> just as paths in photoshop
10:38 < Wombert> but the simple one definitely
10:38 < impl> oh, with the shadows and whatnot?
10:38 < Wombert> which is also the one we should use
10:38 < impl> ah
10:38 < impl> okay
10:38 < Wombert> I'll take care of the licensing stuff; remind me during the weekend puh-lease
10:39 < impl> I'll try, but I'm on vacation through Saturday
10:39 < Wombert> also impl 
10:39 < Wombert> ah
10:39 < Wombert> rofl
10:39 < Wombert> :>
10:39 < Wombert> I was about to ask whether you are *still* or *already* up
10:39 < impl> already
10:39 < impl> I'm sitting in the airport
10:40 < saracen> offtopic: Is there a command to remove bad symbolic links? I just linked about 50 odd things from a directory, but didnt give the full path name =(
10:40 < impl> I think I got 2 hrs of sleep interrupted in the middle when I was informed via text message that my flight is on time
10:40 < impl> at 3:15AM
10:40 < impl> prolly you can do it with `find` saracen 
10:41 < impl> find + xargs rm
10:41 < impl> make sure you use xargs properly so you don't rm / if your directory contains a space
10:41 < impl> directory/link
10:42 < sth> If you search the #php logs,  meritt asked the same question about 2 months ago
10:42 < impl> I don't log
10:42 < sth> I deleted mine
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10:43 < sth> A year of logs deleted, 500MB or so
10:43 < impl> heh
10:43 < saracen> I'm not one of those #php people
10:43 < impl> IRC whore.
10:43 < saracen> They were idiot.
10:43 < saracen> shit
10:43 < saracen> ironic
10:43 < saracen> idiots*
10:43 < impl> I'd set that as the topic but it's so long I don't feel like fucking with it
10:43 < impl> consider yourself lucky.
10:44 < saracen> That's how I always get away with it
10:44 < saracen> Rule 1) If you make it a mistake, make it longer than a topic and tweet.
10:44 < sth> yuck. I just found a bit of JS in this project I don't like.
10:44 < saracen> fuck sake
10:44 < saracen> grammar
10:44 < saracen> IF you make a mistake*
10:44 < saracen> In my defense, I'm retarded
10:44 < impl> I could tweet it, but I don't have twitter
10:45 < saracen> So what you're saying is, you couldn't tweet it
10:45 < saracen> Shouldnt you be at work anyway?
10:45 < impl> I could sign up.
10:45 < saracen> Wait, just remembered timezones exist
10:45 < impl> a) it's 5:45AM
10:45 < sth> Twitter is awesome
10:45 < impl> b) I'm on vacation
10:45 < saracen> You only started like last week?!
10:45 < impl> Yes, and I told them I was taking these three days off before I started
10:46 < impl> and they said 'k you win
10:46 < impl> ''
10:46 < impl> '.
10:46 < sth> And they were all "ROFL"
10:46 < saracen> Oh, i see
10:46 < sth> and impl was all "pwned"
10:46 < saracen> I forget, when I change my PATH, whats the command I use to set them, without having to logout and back in?
10:46  * impl is clearly in high demand.
10:47 < impl> export
10:47 < saracen> Your mum is too
10:47 < saracen> I take that back
10:47 < sth> I don't.
10:47  * impl shrugs
10:47 < saracen> lawlz
10:48 < saracen> Ok, this isnt working for me
10:48 < impl> wut u doin
10:48 < saracen> Some app I've got, has it's own lib dir
10:48 < saracen> I thought setting the lib dir in my path
10:48 < impl> no
10:48 < impl> LD_LIBRARY_PATH
10:48 < saracen> would make its executables use it
10:48 < saracen> Ah
10:48 < impl> or add it to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig
10:49 < sth> Talking of holidays...
10:49 < impl> vacations*
10:49 < sth> HOLIDAYS
10:49 < impl> VACATIONS
10:49 < sth> HOLIDAYS
10:49 < impl> SHUT UP YOU GOD DAMN BRIT
10:49 < sth> SHUT IT YANK
10:49 < impl> SCREW YOU
10:49 < saracen> this didnt work either =(
10:49 < impl> what did you type saracen
10:50 < sth> GO GET IN YOUR MURDER VAN WITH AUTOMATIC SEATBELTS AND EAT A CHEESEBURGER!
10:50 < sth> = win
10:50 < saracen> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=~/home/saracen/Voicemail/lib:"${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}"
10:50 < saracen> am I rubbish?
10:50 < impl> ~/home?
10:50 < impl> wtf
10:50 < saracen> opps.
10:50 < impl> opps indeed.
10:51 < saracen> works now :P
10:51 < saracen> ty for typoscouting
10:51 < sth> retard.
10:51 < saracen> Fuck you, sth. Fuck you.
10:51 < sth> diaf.
10:51 < impl> okay
10:51 < impl> plane is boarding
10:51 < impl> back on Saturday :D
10:52 < saracen> If you crash and land in the ocean
10:52 < saracen> I'm not getting my girlfriend to give you a ride.
10:52 < saracen> Due to the abuse you've given me
10:53 < sth> ?!
10:54 < saracen> sth: Before your time
10:54 < sth> mk
10:55 < saracen> But quick explanation: I showed impl a picture of my girlfriend, which included this other girl who was chubby with a big jaw
10:55 < saracen> He insisted the girl that looked like a boat was my girlfriend
10:55 < saracen> Boat jokes came next
10:55 < saracen> for months
10:55 < sth> Oh.
10:56 < sth> "All aboard!"
10:56 < saracen> Didnt I not mention boat jokes came next, for months?
10:56 < saracen> Whatever you say has been said by either me or impl
10:56 < saracen> STOP TRYING
10:56 < sth> Yes, but I missed them so I'm going to make mOAR
10:57 < sth> This is much like the cheese thread I had on facebook
10:57 < saracen> Your face is much like the cheese thread you had on facebook
11:00 < MikeSeth> saracen: I have a solution for your problem
11:00 < MikeSeth> don't associate with 'chubby people with big jaws' :D
11:00 < saracen> But then I would never make contact with the Americans =(
11:02 < Wombert> wait impl, where are you going :p
11:02 < sth> Wombert: Back home would be my guess
11:03  * MikeSeth fluffs Wombert 
11:06 < Wombert> wat hapen MikeSeth 
11:06 < everplays> any one tried using agavi for cli scripting? (STDIN STDOUT STDERR) is it possible?
11:06 < everplays> what about executeRead & executeWrite?
11:06 < MikeSeth> everplays: I do it all the tiem
11:07 < MikeSeth> <ae:configuration context="console">
11:07 < MikeSeth>     <routes>
11:07 < MikeSeth>       <route pattern="^import$" name="import" module="Tickets" action="ExecuteImport"/>
11:07 < MikeSeth> etc
11:07 < MikeSeth> ./cli import -import_name foo
11:08 < everplays> nice :) MikeSeth could you tell me when executeRead & executeWrite will fire in cli?
11:08 < MikeSeth> everplays: by default it's read, if you do method="write" in the route then it's write
11:08 < MikeSeth>  <route pattern="^activate-account$" name="activate" module="Management" action="ActivateAccount" method="write"/>
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11:10 < sth> Right, enough juggling
11:10 < everplays> last question: validation get applied on input (STDIN) or i should parse them manually?
11:11 < MikeSeth> everplays: input is parsed into action parameters normally
11:11 < MikeSeth> ./cli.php foo -fish cat -lol jews
11:11 < MikeSeth> $rd->getParameter('fish')
11:11 < MikeSeth> etc
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11:13 < MikeSeth> 11:11 <MikeSeth> everplays: input is parsed into action parameters normally
11:13 < MikeSeth> 11:11 <MikeSeth> ./cli.php foo -fish cat -lol jews
11:13 < MikeSeth> 11:11 <MikeSeth> $rd->getParameter('fish')
11:13 < MikeSeth> 11:11 <MikeSeth> etc
11:14 < everplays> ok got that. tnx MikeSeth
11:14 < MikeSeth> my cli.php:
11:14 < MikeSeth> error_reporting(E_ALL | E_STRICT);
11:14 < MikeSeth> require('/usr/share/php/agavi/agavi.php');
11:14 < MikeSeth> require(dirname(__FILE__) . '/../app/config.php');
11:14 < MikeSeth> $env = getenv('AGAVI_ENVIRONMENT') or 'development';
11:14 < MikeSeth> Agavi::bootstrap($env);
11:14 < MikeSeth> AgaviContext::getInstance('console')->getController()->dispatch();
11:16 < everplays> :P
11:18 < saracen> I want a <configuration> where I can customise it for the post[http_server/host]
11:18 < saracen> =(
11:18 < MikeSeth> durr what
11:19 < saracen> well, I'm only allowed to be selective based on the environment, and changing the environment doesnt make much sense to me all of the time
11:19 < MikeSeth> well, no, you can also apply configuration to contexts
11:19 < MikeSeth>  <ae:configuration context="console">
11:20 < saracen> But agavi seems to treat contexts as different input types (console, soap, web), what if it's also for web?
11:21 < saracen> Then i'd have to define the configurations which already use context="web" again, for another web app
11:22 < MikeSeth> saracen: contexts are not different input types
11:22 < MikeSeth> there's base configuration 
11:22 < MikeSeth> and then there's envo and context-specific blocks that override it
11:23 < MikeSeth> and you can use xpointer/xslt tools etc to generate needed configuration depending on any combination of factors 
11:23 < saracen> So, if I add a new context, which is also a web app. I'd need to duplicate code which is already saying context="web" right?
11:23 < saracen> Ah, yeah, xpointer - suppose
11:23 < MikeSeth> well
11:23 < MikeSeth> why do you add a new context when you already have a web context?
11:24 < saracen> I'd prefer it if there was something else still though. Maybe being able to be "selective" based on a configuration settings. <configuration config="myapp.setting.caek" value="birthday">
11:24 < saracen> Because it's still a web application, but the context is technically different (admin and user context - it's a bit of a weird setup).
11:24 < MikeSeth> xslt can do that
11:25 < saracen> But an admin and user environment doesnt seem to fit the bill either
11:25 < MikeSeth> saracen: oh well, sandbox
11:25 < MikeSeth> saracen: I dont understand why two envos are needed though
11:25 < MikeSeth>  <ae:configuration context="console">
11:25 < MikeSeth>     <request class="AgaviConsoleRequest" />
11:25 < MikeSeth>     <routing class="AgaviConsoleRouting" />
11:25 < MikeSeth>     <response class="AgaviConsoleResponse" />
11:25 < MikeSeth>     <user class="TicketingAdministratorUser" />
11:25 < MikeSeth>   </ae:configuration>
11:26 < MikeSeth> so console user is always a specific administrator account with specific capabilities
11:27 < saracen> I havent touched the code in awhile, I should probably revisit and try to remember why I decided on the way I did these things :D
11:27 < MikeSeth> yeah i know the feeling :>
11:28 < MikeSeth> but ive never found a need for distinct console envo
11:28 < MikeSeth> you really only need to override the user implementation
11:28 < MikeSeth> and that'ss it
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11:50 < Rayne> is it unclean to create a setter/getter combined method like GET "$foo->getUser()->isFirstRequest()" and SET "$foo->getUser()->isFirstRequest(true)"? i think it should be no real problem in some cases (for isntance simple boolean setter/getter)?
11:51 < Rayne> (article to that question (german): http://www.phphatesme.com/blog/wtf/setter-sind-keine-getter-auch-symfony-macht-mal-fehler/ )
11:54 < MikeSeth> um no
11:54 < MikeSeth> people do that
11:54 < MikeSeth> there isn't a problem IMO"
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12:05 < sth> Well that was "nice"
12:08 < MikeSeth> sth: mmp
12:08 < sth> We went to McDonalds, it was less than good
12:08 < MikeSeth> what else is new
12:10 < sth> I might be able to get some work done once the feeling of being stuffed has passed
12:29 < saracen> If you ever meet in person, you'll never be able to get work done again then
12:29 < saracen> (some sort of joke about me stuffing you, and it being ever lasting).
12:29 < Wombert> oh dear
12:30 < sth> saracen: You should part this channel and never come back
12:30 < saracen> You're all homophobic. =(
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12:32 < saracen> sth: You've missed a great setup
12:32 < sth> No, we're anti-retard :)
12:32 < saracen> you could've said "so saracen, there's a reason you chose a girl that looks like a boat - with included anchor"
12:32 < saracen> That one hasn't been said before.
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12:36 < sth> I swear, I'm turning up to work in shorts tomorrow
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12:37 < saracen> short shorts? or just shorts?
12:38 < sth> Long shorts
12:38 < sth> It's so damn warm
12:38 < saracen> Does this make you damn hot?
12:38  * saracen fetches some tissues
12:39 < saracen> I'm going to stop being homosexual now. <3
12:39 < sth> Reminds me never to meet you
12:40 < saracen> The t-shirt exchange will have to be by royal mail then =(
12:40 < saracen> XL, btw. I've put on the pounds.
12:42  * sth sends a S so it's too small
12:44 < saracen> I'd just have to cut out the logo and make a patch
12:45 < MikeSeth> obligatory http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33540
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12:54 < Wombert> saracen: your boat came with an anchor?
12:55 < jpdery> MikeSeth: hahahah!
12:58 < saracen> Wombert: Sure - but the moments gone =(
12:58 < saracen> I want to go see transformers again, how bad is that.
13:01 < MikeSeth> saracen: that proves conclusively you are not gay
13:02 < MikeSeth> gay people have taste
13:02 < sth> haha
13:02 < MikeSeth> that'd preclude them from ever wanting to watch transformers again
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13:02 < sth> I watched the first one recently, it was still crap
13:02 < Rayne> you drunk to mach gasoline saracen ? :P
13:02 < MikeSeth> sth: no, first time is gay
13:02 < MikeSeth> second time? not gay.
13:02 < Rayne> s/mach/much
13:03 < sth> MikeSeth: You do have a point, the only reason a guy would go watch transformers is for Megan Fox.
13:03 < MikeSeth> Rayne: ahahahaha gasoline lol
13:03 < MikeSeth> www.itsnotgayif.com
13:03 < sth> haha
13:03 < Rayne> wth ...
13:03 < saracen> Oh, transformers is rubbish
13:04 < saracen> But the girl is hawt
13:04 < saracen> So I guess that also proves conclusively i'm not gay
13:04 < saracen> Unless gay people that have taste, also think shes awesome
13:04 < MikeSeth> if you want hot
13:04 < MikeSeth> watch dark angel
13:04 < Rayne> it's not gay if you do it with your father... wait what? wtf!
13:04 < saracen> I have, I dont like her
13:04 < saracen> Girl Next Door - Elisha Cuthbert > all
13:05 < saracen> She didnt look so good in 24 though
13:05 < MikeSeth> i detest 24
13:05 < saracen> Rayne: you're more sick than I am
13:05 < saracen> This isnt about 24
13:05 < saracen> This is about hot women.
13:05 < saracen> !
13:05 < MikeSeth> it teaches idiots about counterterrorism
13:05 < Rayne> saracen, i just quoted that weird website :/
13:05 < MikeSeth> stuff they should have no business knowing
13:06 < saracen> wait
13:06 < saracen> what
13:06 < saracen> What does it teach them?
13:06 < saracen> I can't tell when you're being sarcastic yet =(
13:06 < MikeSeth> saracen: bullshit like improper counterterrorist tactics 
13:07 < sth> I like funny pages
13:07 < MikeSeth> and interrogation techniques
13:07 < Rayne> btw saracen my win vista installation killed itself by destroying some libs and messing up the ntfs partition. epic fail.
13:07 < saracen> thus tf2 failed?
13:07 < Rayne> could be possible, but i am not sure
13:08 < Rayne> will see after reinstall
13:08 < MikeSeth> btw all
13:08 < saracen> Oh, I just assumed it was related - because why else would I care about your NTFS partition :P
13:08 < MikeSeth> my roomie joe has finally gotten his new gaming rig
13:08 < MikeSeth> so add him on steam ;>
13:08 < MikeSeth> username jeamlandss
13:08 < saracen> I'll only add him if he's AWESOME.
13:08 < sth> I'll only add him if I'm awesome.
13:09 < saracen> sth: You're awesome today
13:09 < MikeSeth> I'm awesome
13:09 < saracen> But you must remove him tomorrow
13:09 < MikeSeth> now add him jews
13:09 < saracen> I've added him
13:09 < saracen> But he hasnt given me any love back yet
13:09 < MikeSeth> moar
13:10 < saracen> He hasnt accepted, but I know he was last online 14 hours ago
13:10 < saracen> privacy concerns!
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13:22 < sth> Damn it, I thought you left forever.
13:23 < MikeSeth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMZFYU76lOU
13:23 < MikeSeth> polish rock is so win
13:27 < everplays> damn! youtube is blocked here :(
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13:31 < Seldaek> haha MikeSeth 
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13:55 < splatch_> I never heard about this band
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14:01 < sth> Are there any docs on FPF?
14:01 < sth> like examples
14:10 < saracen> sth: 
14:10 < saracen> FPF if theres only one form, and that forms action is the page you're on:
14:10 < saracen> $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', new AgaviParameterHolder(array('name' => $rd->getParameter('Hello World'))), org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
14:10 < saracen> Or if there's multiple forms:
14:10 < saracen> $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', array('form1' => new AgaviParameterHolder(array('name' => $rd->getParameter('Hello World'))), 'form2' =>  => new AgaviParameterHolder(array('name' => $rd->getParameter('Hello World'))), org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
14:10 < saracen> Or a neater way:
14:10 < saracen> $populate = &$this->getContext()->getRequest()->getAttribute('populate', 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
14:10 < saracen> $populate['form1'] = new AgaviParameterHolder(array('name' => $rd->getParameter('Hello World')));
14:10 < saracen> pastebin isnt my friend.
14:10 < saracen> It'll make more sense when you break it down, baby.
14:10 < graste> by default FPF works only on POST
14:11 < graste> xpath expresssions and stuff in global_filters are teh tricky (use sample app as an example)
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14:27 < sth> saracen: OLD
14:27 < sth> Wombert already gave an example
14:27 < sth> You fail
14:28 < Wombert> :>
14:28 < Wombert> [16:10] graste: by default FPF works only on POST
14:28 < Wombert> as configured out of the box, rather
14:28 < sth> saracen: When I'm back next, you'll have to come to P'Boro to collect the shirt, you can get screwed if I'm going to Spalding to deliver it
14:31 < saracen> psht, post it :)
14:32 < sth> Screw you.
14:32 < sth> That'll be £2 I'll never get back :P
14:32 < saracen> Lies
14:32 < saracen> I'll paypal you the monies before you send
14:32 < sth> £3 with packaging
14:33 < sth> Paypal is for suckers
14:33 < saracen> I'll paypal you the monies before you send
14:33 < sth> See previous.
14:33 < saracen> See previous.
14:33 < sth> See previous.
14:33 < saracen> Recursive bastard.
14:33 < sth> See previous. // We seem to be in a loop
14:34 < saracen>  /* Agreed */
14:34 < sth>  // NO C COMMENTS 
14:36 < saracen> It was a CSS comment.
14:36 < ttj> %matlab ftw
14:36 < sth> ' It was a C style comment
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14:42 < saracen>  #it wasn't
14:43 < sth> was
14:43 < saracen> You fial
14:43 < sth> -- you fail too
14:43 < saracen> Again, with the irony =(
14:43 < sth> ;it's not irony if the person doing it is retarded :)
14:44 < saracen> ttmath isn't working for me =(
14:45 < sth> Parts of this srs bsns project needs refactoring
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14:45 < Wombert> ohai erisco 
14:45 < sth> Hai erisco 
14:45  * erisco yawns
14:45 < erisco> wow, everyone is expecting me :D
14:46 < erisco> just woke up heh
14:46 < erisco> good morning Wombert and sth
14:48 < Wombert> :)
14:48 < Wombert> erisco: we did a feature list today (Xylakant and me)
14:48 < sth> I was expecting you in a Matrix Architect manner.
14:50 < erisco> Wombert, awesome! is it digital?
14:50 < Wombert> not yet I believe
14:50 < Wombert> sth: those two sucked, srsly
14:50 < sth> I know
14:50 < Wombert> don't you eer mention them again
14:50 < Wombert> *evar
14:50 < sth> I should stop making references to them
14:51 < sth> The next time I make a reference to those two matrix films I'll buy you lunch.
14:51 < sth> But the Animatrix was awesome, so I can still reference them
14:54 < Wombert> yes
14:54 < Wombert> it was
14:54 < Xylakant> erisco: the list is not digital (yet)
14:54 < Xylakant> I can send you a scan :)
14:55 < erisco> that works
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15:01 < Wombert> heh
15:01 < Wombert> well Xylakant was planning to put it into an email today anyway
15:01 < Wombert> so... that'll be done soon
15:02 < Xylakant> erisco: I doubt you can read my handwriting
15:03 < erisco> okay, I can wait
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15:35 < Xylakant> erisco: do i have your email address?
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15:53 < Xylakant> list is on the way
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15:53 < Xylakant> take it as a draft
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16:20 < erisco> well... I just got laid off work
16:21 < erisco> Xylakant, that frees up my weekends then... heh
16:22 < Xylakant> what?
16:23 < erisco> well before I only had time from Mon-Fri to work on Redracer
16:27 < erisco> Xylakant, anyways, I will check out that list soon
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16:33 < erisco> did not think the recession would hit me too heh
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16:35 < v-dogg> erisco: where did you used to work?
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16:36 < erisco> oh nothing too fancy, a local gas station
16:36 < erisco> as a petroleum exchange technician
16:36 < erisco> aka a self-serve station gas bar attendant :P
16:36 < v-dogg> haha
16:39 < erisco> is it a good sign to be laid off at your first minimum wage job?
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16:54 < erisco> is anyone here an agavi dev and got to look at the current redracer code base?
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17:12 < _cheerios> jee
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17:40 < sth> wb
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17:43 < _cheerios> feet! http://www.flickr.com/photos/mixmaster/3746917732/
17:55 < Xylakant> not mine
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17:59 < sth> http://twitpic.com/b8fag
18:00 < sth> That's awesome
18:01 < erisco> I do not get what is so awesome about it :P
18:01 < sth> I was being sarcastic
18:01 < erisco> the feet one would be cool if it had a better perspective
18:01 < sth> erisco: It's how he's dealt with the headphone cord
18:01 < erisco> it is oddly misaligned
18:02 < erisco> sth, oh, is it wrapped around his neck?
18:02 < sth> yup
18:02 < erisco> haha, it is too, and the mp3 player is dangling on his shirt
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18:29 < Rayne> wheeeeee http://www.geekologie.com/2009/07/extreme_nutjob_skates_down_rol.php
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18:31 < erisco> Rayne, NO WAY!!
18:31 < erisco> that is the *coolest* thing I have *ever* seen
18:31 < Rayne> i hope so
18:33 < everplays> i don't know that i should laugh to stupid blockers or cry because they think instead us! geekologie.com is filtered. damn!
18:34 < erisco> Rayne, the ride looked quite uncomfortable however, heh
18:34 < erisco> I could only imagine doing banks and stuff with your legs spread that far apart
18:34 < erisco> some of them are uncomfortable enough in a roller coaster seat
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20:44 < _cheerios> Intel X25-M 80GB SATA SSD 2.5" (34nm) - 225e. Getting to "tempting" prices year by year.
20:47 < _cheerios> mysql.com been down like all day?
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20:53 < erisco> the X25-M is not appealing to me at all, I'd much rather dive for the -E
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21:07 < graste> -E?
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22:03 < erisco> graste, X25-E
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05:25 < erisco> impl, OMG!
05:25 < erisco> I found another project that uses Tools
05:26 < erisco> okay, I am on your side now, we can call it a Tool if other people call it a Tool
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05:29 < erisco> impl, http://phpapplib.com/doku.php?id=tutorial_quick_actions#making_a_tool
05:30 < erisco> mind you their tools are way different from our tools but who cares
05:51 < simoncpu> huomenta
05:51 < simoncpu> is there a way to directly read, write $_SESSIONS?
05:51 < simoncpu> i dunno if i remember correctly, but i think agavi clears up that variable or something
05:52 < simoncpu> i'm trying to integrate a legacy web app with a new app that uses agavi
05:52 < simoncpu> and i need to read the legacy web app's sessions
05:58  * simoncpu finds a way to override agavi's cookie with PHPSESSID
06:00 < simoncpu> in agavi 1.0, <ae:parameter> is used for factories xml instead of the old <parameter>, right?
06:00 < erisco> I believe all configs have moved to that
06:00 < erisco> just check the namespaces at the top of the config file and see
06:01 < simoncpu> cool, cool... PHPSESSID now works... i just set it at factories.xml
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06:01 < simoncpu> now i'm concerned if this won't have any unforseen side-effects
06:01 < simoncpu> it seems that agavi sets its own session vars
06:02 < erisco> I am not familiar with Agavi's usage of sessions so I cannot comment on your strategy there
06:04 < simoncpu> oki... thanks anyway =)
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06:55 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:09 < _cheerios> huomenta
07:10 < ttj> Yo.
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07:14 < _cheerios> I think I caught the fear-of-jogging-on-thursdays -disease on my way here.
07:15 < ttj> Oh? That sounds lame. ;)
07:15 < _cheerios> It's a very serious disease!
07:16 < _cheerios> Beyond that, good day for a jog.
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07:19 < ttj> So, I trust I'll see you somewhere outside Thaiger at 17.00?-)
07:20 < ttj> (And to be honest, my ankles are somewhat sore, so have to go easy... :)
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07:22 < _cheerios> Yeah, 5pm sounds good.
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07:46 < graste> huomenta
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08:53 < ttj> Is there some way to say in a validation config file that an argument for a validator can be optional?
08:54 < ttj> E.g. I want to pass at least report_id to a validator, but if revision also exists, pass that as well (but if it doesn't, don't fail).
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09:06 < sth> Morning folks
09:08 < sth> ttj: Read the schema for the valiation XML
09:08 < sth> It'll have all the supported parameters listed
09:11 < sth> Either that or write a custom validator
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09:20 < sth> Hai
09:23 < v-dogg> ttj: <validator ... required="false"
09:24 < v-dogg> or provides / depends in your case probably
09:25 < v-dogg> or hmm.. no. revision is only optional, not depending 
09:25 < Jarda> and both used by the same validator
09:25 < ttj> Yep.
09:25 < Jarda> if I got it right
09:25 < ttj> Tried to look at the schema, but there was nothing implying that it would support something like this right out...
09:26 < v-dogg> no, this you have to handle inside your validator
09:26 < v-dogg> once again I should have read the question one more time :)
09:27 < ttj> But if I don't even have "revision" in the request, it doesn't even go inside the validator.
09:27 < Jarda> but if you need to pass two parameters to a validator, it probably is a custom validator anyway
09:27 < ttj> Yeah, it is. But...
09:28 < Jarda> you can't check "if !empty().."
09:28 < Jarda> ?
09:29 < v-dogg> oh, yeah. by default agavi doesn't execute a validator if not all arguments are present
09:29 < v-dogg> so you need to override checkAllArgumentsSet
09:29 < v-dogg> to return always true
09:30 < ttj> Hmm... I'll just force some obscure default in routing.
09:30 < v-dogg> http://blog.veikko.fi/post/68983308/agavi-tip-validation-gotchas <- last gotcha
09:31 < ttj> Yeah, setting default revision for -1 seems to work ok.
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09:33 < ttj> Nope, doesn't work. :P
09:33 < ttj> Now revision is stuck at -1. :D
09:33 < v-dogg> heh
09:33 < v-dogg> do you export it from the validator?
09:35 < ttj> Well, I take report_id and revision into the validator and export a ReportModel.
09:35 < v-dogg> just override checkAllArgumentsSet and export proper default values (or nothing if null is ok) from the validator
09:35 < v-dogg> ah
09:35 < ttj> Ok, let's try checkAllArgumentsSet.
09:36 < v-dogg> just remember that such a validator needs to check 'required' itself as Agavi's default behaviour doesn't work anymore
09:37 < v-dogg> i.e. the validator is always executed 
09:42 < _cheerios> strpbrk!
09:43 < ttj> Ok, so just to spar this a bit more: I want checkAllArgumentsSet to just check that report_id exists. If it doesn't exist return false (and if $throwError and $isRequired exists, call $this->throwError()), right?
09:43 < ttj> s/exists/are true/
09:45 < v-dogg> hmm... if in my solution checkAllArgumentsSet always returns true and non-emptiness & $this->getParameter('required') checks are done in validator::validate()
09:47 < v-dogg> but if you put that logic into checkAllArgumentsSet so that it returns FALSE if all (required) arguments aren't set Agavi's default "throw required error" behaviour should work normally
09:47 < ttj> Yeah. Since it appears that the vanilla checkAllArgumentsSet does do some type of checking like that?
09:47 < v-dogg> yup
09:49 < v-dogg> time to take the dog out ->
09:49 < ttj> Thanks for the help.
09:54 < ttj> Ha! Now it works brilliantly. :)
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11:19 < _cheerios> ttj, v-dogg: http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/53075/Ote_facebookista
11:19 < Jarda> 403 forbidden again
11:19 < Jarda> what is it with riemurasia
11:20 < Jarda> do they have a check "your reverse ends with .net, you
11:20 < Jarda> 're not from finland"
11:20 < _cheerios> shrug, but its hilarious :D
11:20 < ttj> _cheerios: Yeah, that went around a year or two back. :)
11:20 < _cheerios> im not a riemurasia regular :<
11:22 < ttj> Neither am I, but I am on some of the university channels as well. :D
11:22 < _cheerios> Jarda, they might have some user-agent check to prevent bots.
11:22 < Jarda> might be
11:23 < ttj> Jarda didn't pass the Turing test?-)
11:23 < Jarda> :(
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12:26 < sth> Heat, do not want :(
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13:02 < sth> slkfhlsakdhgsodiug03w9uterdvnfvnsdoigq3t-2 stupid validators
13:02 < sth> I should know better by now
13:02 < sth> If there's an error, it's a validator's problem
13:15 < _cheerios> gaa, doomsday jog is nearing!
13:17 < _cheerios> heh @ "did you mean...?" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=recursion
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13:35 < ttj> Doomsday jog? :P
13:36 < sth> _cheerios: haha
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13:53 < _cheerios> ttj, last jogged on sunday... eta @ thaiger -7min 
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15:27 < erisco> good morning everyone :D
15:28 < ttj> Evenin'.
15:28 < erisco> they need something more global, literally, for timezone issues
15:28 < erisco> hmm... maybe just "hello!"
15:30 < ttj> Or "Huomenta"... *shrug*
15:30 < erisco> Xylakant, I made the database schema design yesterday based on my interpretation of the requirements. Do I respond directly to you or where do I update the requirement ideas?
15:30 < erisco> ttj, duh! that is the official greeting for Agavi. How silly of me to forget
15:30 < E_mE> anyone got any opinions on elgg?
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16:34 < saracen> IE seems to fail at cookies. I didnt want the sessions to be shared of subdomains. Which IE does listen to. But if it's on a subsubdomain name, it appears to be shared =(
16:34 < saracen> sub.sub.domain.com and sub.domain.com share the same cookies =(
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17:17 < sth> HAI
17:18 < sth> SasanRose: That sucks
17:18 < sth> saracen: rather
17:18 < SasanRose> sth: ?
17:20 < sth> wrong person :/
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17:23 < saracen> sub-a.sub.domain.tld and sub-b.sub.domain.tld don't share the cookies. sub-a.sub.domain.tld and sub-b.sub-a.sub.domain.tld do.
17:23 < v-dogg> SasanRose: what sth was going to say was "I suck"
17:24 < saracen> So maybe it's just 3 levels of subdomains that it doesnt work on
17:24 < saracen> either way, I have to change my domains names purely because IE sucks
17:26 < sth> As will I now :/
17:26 < sth> We're doing something similar with our srs bsns project
17:27 < saracen> Have you experienced something similar?
17:27 < saracen> I urge you to test it, just incase i'm horribly wrong
17:28 < sth> We will tomorrow
17:28 < saracen> Luckily, this is actually just for our dev environments though, but my boss has been raising tickets left right and center, because it keeps bugging up the system when he is allowed to do admin actions (because he's authenticated, under the admin. domain) even when he's logged in as a mere mortal
17:28 < sth> If not, you're just a douche :D
17:29 < sth> ARSE ARSE ARSE
17:29 < sth> I've forgotten to mail in my credit card application
17:29 < saracen> dev env: admin.accipio.local.6ss.co.uk, accipio.local.6ss.co.uk - For the production we'll just be using admin.accipio.co.uk and accipio.co.uk/www.accipio.co.uk
17:29 < saracen> lawls, I wonder if you apply again you'll start to get a bad credit rating :)
17:30 < saracen> I started getting declined cards, because I shopped around too much. =(
17:30 < saracen> Even though I have no debt and always pay on time
17:30 < sth> Same
17:30 < saracen> I wanted to stooze =(
17:30 < saracen> Natwest have me a card ages ago. They havent upped my limit, still at 500 quid
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17:31 < saracen> Which is pathetic =(
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17:31 < sth> My UK card is at 500
17:31 < sth> But I dont use it for anything over than online shopping
17:31 < sth> I want a German one for the same amount
17:31 < saracen> Ah, I try to use my card everywhere, as it used to be handy to have my actual money in savings account for longer (a whole month). But it's pointless now, when the interest rates are so stupid
17:32 < saracen> The practice probably nets me 0.00001 a month thesedays :)
17:32 < sth> heh
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17:33 < sth> I just use mine for buying books from Amazon
17:33 < sth> Hey Xylakant 
17:33 < Xylakant> hmm?
17:33 < Xylakant> what's up
17:33 < sth> Noy much
17:33 < saracen> I'm yet to convince my sister to let me open up an account for her daughter. Kids interest rates (locked away for like 10 years or so) are awesome. I suppose you just have to hope the kid grows up to not be a complete bastard, and keep the money just because it's in their name,
17:33 < sth> Watching stargate sg1
17:33 < saracen> sth: You're an SG fan? :D
17:33 < sth> yup
17:33 < saracen> Awesome
17:34 < sth> I watch all sci-fi shows
17:34 < v-dogg> stargåte
17:34 < saracen> I try to, but some just suck far too much
17:34 < v-dogg> macgyver is better :)
17:34 < saracen> lawl
17:34 < sth> I'm looking forward to SGU
17:34 < v-dogg> does he ever have a swiss knife in SG?-)
17:35 < saracen> Yeah. Me too, the desc. I've read of it makes it sound a little like they're going for the battlestar though :)
17:35 < v-dogg> that would be an awesome joke :)
17:35 < sth> v-dogg: heh
17:35 < sth> In the first episode they Carter said "It's not like we could just MacGyver one up"
17:35 < v-dogg> haha
17:35 < sth> Epic thunderstorm in north Munich
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17:36 < saracen> Theres an outtake on one of the DVDs (my brother owns every one for SG1 ;o), where Carter tells O'neill to get them out of the ice-cave by using something like chewing gum :)
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17:37 < saracen> It's the ep where they discover theres another stargate in the atlantic, and they can't dial back home because they get the engaged tone :)
17:37 < sth> yeah
17:37 < sth> Season 4
17:38 < saracen> Is your fav episode Window of Opportunity? :P
17:38 < saracen> Has to be one of the funniest episode
17:38 < saracen> s
17:49 < erisco> Xylakant, I made the database schema design yesterday based on my interpretation of the requirements. Do I respond directly to you or where do I update the requirement ideas?
17:50 < Xylakant> we need to push the requirements to the wiki
17:50 < Xylakant> so they can be edited
17:51 < Xylakant> for now just mail that to david and me
17:51 < erisco> we have a wiki?
17:51 < Xylakant> trac?
17:51 < erisco> oh, trac, okay
17:52 < Xylakant> anyways, need to go
17:52 < Xylakant> off for a concert
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17:52 < erisco> I was at a concert last night in matter of fact
17:52 < sth> He's *always* at a concert
17:53 < erisco> sth, just like Tom is always at the movies?
18:03 < sth> Yeah
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18:08 < impl> erisco: PAL is written by a clueless newbie
18:09 < sth> PAL?
18:09 < impl> http://phpapplib.com/
18:09 < erisco> impl, I have yet to try the framework but I did speak to him
18:09 < erisco> if my mind was not swimming I would have made a more intelligent discussion
18:09 < impl> He's a moron.
18:09 < impl> Don't bother.
18:10 < erisco> but, in short, most features seemed short-sighted and suitable only for the quick snap-together websites
18:10 < impl> He used to routinely come here, ask us about how we implemented things in Agavi, then advertise his own incomplete framework and ask us why we were still using Agavi.
18:11 < erisco> I feel like shit... not in pain, but I am a bit caffeine sensitive and I stupidly drank too much coffee late at night last night...
18:11 < erisco> got very little sleep and very disruptive sleep...
18:11 < erisco> I feel crazy and homicidal
18:11 < erisco> okay, maybe not homicidal, but, :P
18:11 < impl> :<
18:11 < impl> that sucks
18:11 < erisco> did he really? wow
18:11 < saracen> MAN UP, COFFEEMAN.
18:11 < erisco> I now smell strong gas fumes
18:11 < erisco> is this a good thing?
18:11 < saracen> Depends whether or not they're good gas fumes
18:12 < saracen> Start breathing deeper then report back
18:12 < impl> What kind of gas are we talking about?
18:12 < impl> gasoline? natural gas?
18:12 < erisco> 94 octane gasoline
18:12 < saracen> gaoline > natural gas to breath in
18:12 < erisco> I can tell the smell because I work at a gas station
18:13 < erisco> I also know what my dad fills the boat with... he has it running again
18:13 < erisco> damn thing smells around half the damn block...
18:13 < impl> well, natural gas naturally smells like nothing at all, but it has additives to give it an annoying smell so you notice it.
18:13 < erisco> s/work/worked/
18:13 < saracen> Surely thats false advertising then
18:13 < erisco> laid off :P
18:14 < impl> erisco: you got laid off from a gas station? that's painful.
18:14 < erisco> haha, yes
18:15 < erisco> well, if my mind permits, I am going to keep battling it out with Doctrine's schema and fixture system
18:15 < erisco> I have a completely ambiguous error that is a complete pain in the ass to figure out
18:15 < saracen> Doctrine has a few of those =(
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18:16 < erisco> I also fail to find complete documentation on configuration options for relationships and what they mean
18:16 < erisco> for example, I am trying to define a one-to-many with a custom ref table but I see nowhere explaining what the foreign column specified in the one class refers to
18:16 < erisco> is it a column in the xref table or a column in the many class?
18:20 < _cheerios> gah. must remember to check "best before" date before eating next time.
18:21 < erisco> we should make a non-bs ORM and just get it over with
18:25 < impl> it's not possible in PHP
18:25 < erisco> I am getting pretty convinced that schema files for Doctrine are a bad idea
18:25 < impl> because PHP sucks.
18:25 < _cheerios> ORMs are bs
18:25 < erisco> I think an ORM that requires you to put in work to do things rather than auto-magically-generating stuff would be a better approach
18:25 < sth> I like couch.
18:26 < erisco> couldn't we, instead of having this pseudo-SQL, have a layer where we write adapters for each database or something?
18:26 < impl> Have you ever looked at Propel?
18:26 < erisco> long time aho
18:26 < erisco> ago*
18:26 < impl> Well, that's what happens
18:26 < impl> and it's crap.
18:27 < saracen> It is fucking terribad
18:28 < saracen> I gave up with couchdb, because I couldnt use php5s http stuff with it. I couldnt be bothered to implement my own POST/GETs etc
18:29 < erisco> impl, writing the queries yourself in an adapter?
18:29 < sth> saracen: That's why we have PHPCouch
18:29 < impl> erisco: what?
18:30 < impl> erisco: oh, yes.
18:30 < impl> that's how Propel works.
18:30 < sth> mm, I need to get nudge david about my contract
18:31 < saracen> sth: PHPCouch, when using PHPs native http stuff suffers from the same problem.
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18:32 < saracen> I can't remember exactly what the problem was now, but it's something to do with redirects. couchdb will return *data* and also a redirect. PHP would follow the direct, and only return the data it got after being redirected. So you'd completely miss the data you were after (the actual record)
18:32 < impl> erisco: I think it would be much more useful to let people define models based on particular parameters, like model X uses model X.Internal.Postgres or model X.Internal.MySQL or something.
18:32 < impl> because, tbh, ORMs are just too limited to be useful
18:32 < erisco> I am not quite sure what you mean impl
18:33 < _cheerios> there's a good blog post on this http://blogs.tedneward.com/PermaLink,guid,33e0e84c-1a82-4362-bb15-eb18a1a1d91f.aspx
18:33 < Jarda> I like propel
18:34 < impl> erisco: Databases all support vastly different subsets and extensions to SQL
18:34 < impl> Generalizing them all into one interface is, frankly, retarded
18:35 < saracen> sth: Do you know if any more progress has been made on PHPCouch?
18:35 < erisco> well, so, that is why you have a layer where you are expected to return specific results and how the rdbms lets you do that is up for you to use
18:35 < impl> Because then you're left with the lowest common denominator, which is fucking stupid.
18:35 < Jarda> i write an xml-definition of a table, then I can have form with foo[Bar] and foo[Baz], and in agavi do $propelobj = new Foo(); $propelobj->fromArray($rd->getParameter('foo')); $propelobj->save();
18:35 < Jarda> and I'm done
18:35 < impl> erisco: yeah, and if the RDBMS doesn't support that feature at all?
18:36 < erisco> impl, how would it not?
18:36 < saracen> sth: Nm, just gone to trac :P
18:36 < erisco> impl, the adapter is specific to that database
18:36 < Jarda> if I later want to add a column to Foo, then I just add the column to xml, regenerate propel-classses and add a line to my form and I'm done
18:36 < impl> MySQL didn't support views or stored procedures until like a year ago.
18:36 < erisco> you mean if your application requires logic that would force you into use a stored procedure when your rdbms does not support them?
18:37 < erisco> I am sure there are alternatives even if they are much slower
18:37 < Jarda> regenerating classes is one command-line command
18:37 < impl> erisco: it's not 'requires logic', it's 'a stored procedure is the smartest way to do X'
18:37 < erisco> so, one storage device is not optimal. you advise to use something different or suffer the performance loss
18:37 < erisco> I do not see the issue, that would be expected
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18:38 < impl> that's difficult.
18:38 < sth> saracen: There's a branch which you should use
18:38 < impl> all DBMSes use a different dialect of pl/SQL. How would you even define a stored procedure?
18:38 < impl> er
18:38 < impl> Yeah, I guess it's pl/SQL.
18:38 < saracen> sth: php53?
18:38 < sth> yeah
18:38 < impl> And then if you define it, how would you map that to the 'slower' way?
18:38 < saracen> Just looking at it now, wondering if it fixed that bug
18:39 < impl> It's not feasible.
18:39 < erisco> I am really sure what you are getting at impl without concrete examples
18:39 < erisco> I am a bit slow today :P
18:39 < impl> If you have a stored procedure that does a bunch of calculations and then updates a table
18:39 < impl> that syntax is going to look different for every single RDBMS
18:39 < erisco> I do not believe the whole thing has to be about database abstraction alone
18:40 < impl> I'm just saying, it's not worth generalizing because it's simply not worth the benefit when you can call it directly from SQL and get exactly what you want
18:40 < erisco> what I am thinking is that we should focus on the tools that allow you to deal with the data after its out of the database
18:41 < impl> well, that's not really ORM
18:41 < erisco> and how the data is retrieved is up to an adapter, but that does not guarantee its easily database portable
18:41 < erisco> its just to make the package not by MySQL-only or something
18:41 < erisco> impl, well, I do not find ORM terribly useful, so I just want to pull out the bits I like
18:42 < impl> heh
18:42 < impl> I guess I'd have to see it done then
18:44 < erisco> the crud operations, the representation of rows as record objects, that like
18:44 < erisco> you define a model layer that does all the work with the database and then calls your "toolset" to provide the orm'y like things
18:45 < erisco> and the model layer would be familiar... it would be like queryForAllProjects() or whatever
18:45 < erisco> whether you abstract it a bit further to provide for multiple database support would be a design choice of your models
18:46 < erisco> impl, I feel crazy, maybe once I get Doctrine working I will try to show you what I mean
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18:46 < erisco> unless you think I am talking nonsense and am running into a wall :P
18:48 < impl> you'll find out very quickly if you run into a well.
18:48 < impl> wall*
18:48 < _cheerios> erisco: your sanity levels are reaching mikeseths.
18:50 < jpdery> hum, how much do you (anyone) think this could worth :
18:51 < saracen> I think NULL costs about nothing thesedays
18:51 < jpdery> macbook pro 17" (late 2008) with LED matte screen. 2.66 ghz, 4gb ram, 200gb 7200 rpm hard drive
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18:51 < jpdery> I'm wondering how much I can get
18:51 < saracen> jpdery: Try to sell it to Wombert, he recently spilt water on his macbook again
18:52 < jpdery> again!
18:52 < impl> jpdery: Mac users are stupid. Try $2000.
18:52 < jpdery> US ?
18:53 < impl> Yeah
18:53 < erisco> _cheerios, is that good or bad? I hear MikeSeth is one of those mad geniuses
18:53 < impl> or CAD or AUD, whatever is actually the most
18:53 < impl> I use '$' generally
18:53 < sth> OI!
18:53 < sth> WE R SMART!
18:54 < jpdery> US is the most but that was a stupid question on my part
18:54 < sth> I want a new 15" macbook pro
18:54 < jpdery> I would love to sell it for 2k US$
18:54 < saracen> Oh, jpdery I thought you were being funny =(
18:55 < jpdery> about selling my laptop ?
18:55 < saracen> 19:52:28 < impl> jpdery: Mac users are stupid. Try $2000.
18:55 < saracen> 19:52:54 < jpdery> US ?
18:55 < saracen> 19:54:06 < jpdery> US is the most but that was a stupid question on my part
18:55 < saracen> No, just with this whole conversation
18:56 < jpdery> ahh I see :P
18:56 < saracen> :P
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19:06 < erisco> impl, if I make something and its good can I use it for Redracer?
19:07 < erisco> I am going to end up in tears if I have to keep battling Doctrine like this :P
19:07 < erisco> cannot setup a many-to-many relationship and its making my head hurt more
19:08 < _cheerios> making an orm will only take like till 2010, have fun! ciao!
19:09 < erisco> I do not want to make an orm :(
19:12 < erisco> _cheerios, and who are you to speak? I thought you were making a web framework or something? :P
19:13 < _cheerios> i do have my own orm and it does handle m:m, but it's not release-quality; doesn't have hooks for some nice things orms need to have (tm)
19:15 < _cheerios> theres so many problems to tackle in writing an orm that its highly off-putting
19:15 < _cheerios> given that there's so many orms out there that solve most of the problems already, even if their syntax would suck, or that they'd be buggy, or, ...
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19:17 < _cheerios> i have been thinking of, after installing php53, to look at my orm again and just push it out, even if shitty alpha state it'd be usable *g*
19:20 < _cheerios> is it true for everyone here that the more you program the more anal you become on how the code looks?
19:21 < erisco> is that not supposed to happen as you become more aware of what design problems are?
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19:24 < jpdery> you mean, graphically look ?
19:24 < _cheerios> w/regards to placement of ( $ space + - / eg. ($a*($b+$c)) vs ($a * ($b + $c)) vs ( $a * ($b + $c)) ...
19:24 < jpdery> You're not alone
19:24 < jpdery> but I hate myself for doing this
19:25 < erisco> _cheerios, ah, formatting. yes, I care about how it looks :P
19:26 < erisco> that is important too though right?
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19:30 < _cheerios> somewhat. it gets to the level where you consider the other side an amateur if they dont fit into your perspective of how the formatting should be done.
19:30 < _cheerios> lo rozza 
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19:35 < erisco> impl, okay, since my mind is particularly out, I am not going to work on Redracer today
19:36 < erisco> instead I am going to try crazy things while my mind is crazy
19:36 < erisco> its fitting
19:36 < erisco> I did finally get the schema to work with Doctrine after help from #doctrine
19:36 < erisco> so progress *has* been made :P
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20:29 < E_mE> wow the guy who wrote PAL really is quite self obsessed
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20:39 < erisco> E_mE, did you talk to him too? or what?
20:39 < erisco> I refrain from comment until I try out PAL. I believe in fair assessment
20:39 < E_mE> http://magarshak.com/piano
20:39 < E_mE> thats his site
20:41 < erisco> o_O
20:41 < erisco> I could write something just as amazing about myself, that is what makes it bizarre heh
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20:42 < E_mE> I ponder if he has a twitter account with a sample rate of 5 minutes on his life ... hohohoho
20:42 < E_mE> oh im being very nasty... appologies
20:44 < sth> Twitter is awesome
20:45 < E_mE> sth: agreed when used correctly :)
20:45 < E_mE> not when it involves self masturbation to the nth degree
20:45 < erisco> making a website about yourself like that is a bit strange perhaps
20:46 < erisco> but lets not presume there are not things to learn form the work he does. I intend to try out PAL fairly
20:46 < erisco> when I get the chance... I am working on impl's impossible project
20:47 < E_mE> i wasn't critiquing PAL, just the self glorification :)
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21:31 < E_mE> nfq: are you happy with ControlPanel or would you like a better name?
21:31 < E_mE> EFCore ?
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01:12 < erisco> impl, well, I did what I wanted to do
01:12 < erisco> as far as I know
01:15 < erisco> now to polish it up (majorly) and write something using it
01:15 < erisco> oh, wait, heheh, I forgot an important task
01:15 < erisco> handling relationships nicely! :P
01:16  * erisco gets back to work
01:27 < erisco> but I can get together the portion I have. there are more "tools" I want to add and relationship conveniences would be among that ;)
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05:29 < movvy> hola
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06:00 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:35 < _cheerios> huomenta
06:37 < Jarda> I have a form like <form><fieldset><input name="foo[1][Bar]" /></fieldset><fieldset><input name="foo[2][Bar]" />...
06:37 < Jarda> can I make fpf inject class error to the fieldset?
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06:44 < _cheerios> http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=142284 (from 2008, but still :<)
06:44 < _cheerios> ah, yes, title: "Denmark: Street war between Hells Angels and immigrant gangs"
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07:17 < erisco> Xylakant, good morning
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07:20 < erisco> well, I am going to bed. Sorry I did not get that email back to you guys yet Xylakant
07:21 < erisco> I did not feel up to speed today... but I will get it to you tomorrow. I did get the Doctrine schema written and working today
07:22 < erisco> night!
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07:39 < graste> huomenta
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07:56 < Jarda> is app/lib/validator the right place for my custom validators?
07:57 < v-dogg> yes
07:57 < Jarda> thanks
07:57 < sth> Morning
07:57 < graste> new agavi powered site online
07:57 < graste> for all the germans in berlin at least ^^
07:57 < sth> Is it work from home day today?
07:57 < graste> http://www.freeguide-berlin.de/
07:58 < sth> I like the events box
07:58 < sth> And the events for the day box half way down
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08:05 < simoncpu> i'm curious, does adding a *.html extension increases the probability that the site will be ranked higher?
08:07 < sth> No idea
08:11 < graste> probably not
08:19 < Jarda> how can I export multiple variables from a validator
08:20 < Jarda> let's say I want to validate arguments foo and bar in my FooAndBarValidator. If they are not set, I want to export them as floats 1 & 2.
08:27 < sth> Export an array containing them?
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08:32 < Jarda> how do I specify them in <ae:parameter name="export">
08:33 < sth> ?!
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08:41 < Xylakant> call export twice jarda
08:42 < Xylakant> export takes an optional second parameter which is the name to export to
08:47 < Jarda> so if I have <ae:parameter name="export">foo</ae:parameter><ae:parameter name="export">bar</ae:parameter> I will do $this->export($foo, 'foo'); $this->export($bar, 'bar);?
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08:50 < Xylakant> there's no need for the parameters then
08:51 < Xylakant> the parameter is taken into account by export if you don't pass an explicit name
08:51 < Jarda> ok
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09:00 < Jarda> should this work for arrayinput?
09:01 < Xylakant> what do you mean with "work for arrayinput"?
09:01 < Jarda> <input name="asd[Foo]" /> and <input name="asd[Bar]" />
09:02 < Jarda> $this->export(null, 'Foo'); doesn't seem to work
09:05 < sth> Why does agavi hate me? :(
09:08 < Xylakant> jarda: export(null, 'Foo') will set the request parameter 'Foo' to null
09:08 < Jarda> yeah, can I get the base into it?
09:08 < Xylakant> which is considered empty anyways
09:09 < Xylakant> have you tried $this->export('bar', 'asd[Foo]');?
09:10 < Jarda> yeah, it works
09:10 < Jarda> but makes it less reusable
09:11 < Xylakant> erm? why?
09:12 < Jarda> If in some form i have asd[ and in another form asdf[
09:13 < Xylakant> and how do you pass arguments to your validator?
09:15 < Jarda> arguments base="asd"
09:16 < Xylakant> right
09:17 < Xylakant> $this->export('bar', '%0$s[Foo]'); should work
09:17 < Xylakant> might as well be %1$s, fiddle around with the numbers a little
09:17 < Xylakant> you need a recent version of agavi 1.0 though
09:18 < Jarda> latest 1.0 branch
09:19 < Xylakant> that should do the job
09:23 < Jarda> needs a bit hacking for multidimensional arrays
09:24 < Jarda> tried (just for fun) to do asd[1][foo]
09:25 < Xylakant> that works as well
09:25 < Xylakant> try %0$s[%1$s]['foo']
09:25 < Jarda> yeah, but figuring that out in the validator is a bit more job
09:26 < Xylakant> right
09:26 < Xylakant> but you should know the structure in which you'd like to export when registering the validator
09:26 < Xylakant> and you can always pass that in as a parameter
09:26 < Jarda> <ae:parameter?
09:27 < Xylakant> so you could do <ae:parameter name="export"><ae:parameter name="foo">%0$s[%1$s][foo]</ae:parameter><ae:parameter name="bar">%0$s[%1$s][bar]</ae:parameter></ae:parameter>
09:28 < Xylakant> and retrieve the information with $this->getParameter('export');
09:28 < Jarda> yeah, now we're talking! :)
09:29 < Xylakant> that will give you array('foo' => '%0$s[%1$s][foo]', 'bar' => '%0$s[%1$s][bar]');
09:29 < Xylakant> you can pass any other parameter that you need
09:31 < Jarda> nice, now it works
09:31 < Jarda> thanks so very much (again..)
09:32 < Jarda> $this->export(null, $this->getParameter('export[foo]', ''));
09:36 < Wombert> uh
09:36 < Xylakant> why are you exporting null there?
09:36 < Wombert> wat are you doing
09:36 < Jarda> well, null was just a demo
09:37 < Jarda> Wombert: cool things (I guess..)
09:37 < Wombert> ah
09:37 < Wombert> nah, all good
09:37 < Wombert> :)
09:38 < Jarda> something like your SampleAppProductValidator, but a bit more complex
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11:20 < Jarda> Wombert: do you have an idea how I could get fpf to inject class="error" to a fieldset containing validation errors? :)
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11:48 < Wombert> Jarda: uh
11:48 < Wombert> mmm
11:48 < Wombert> ah yes, no problem actually :)
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11:49 < Wombert> Jarda: <ae:parameter name="error_class">foo
11:49 < Wombert> right?
11:49 < Wombert> what that actually does it
11:50 < Wombert> Jarda: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.1/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php#L941
11:51 < Wombert> so you'd do <ae:parameter name="error_class_map"><ae:parameter name="ancestor::${htmlnsPrefix}fieldset">error</ae:parameter></ae:parameter>
11:51 < Wombert> done
11:51 < Wombert> cool shit gug
11:51 < Wombert> huh
11:51 < Wombert> :)
11:51 < Wombert> but let me check something
11:52 < Wombert> :S
11:52 < Wombert> okay that won't work
11:52 < Wombert> as it then bails out
11:53 < Wombert> after the first hit
11:53 < Wombert> your element won't get an error class
11:53 < Wombert> HOWEVER
11:53 < Wombert> :)
11:53 < Wombert> so you'd do <ae:parameter name="error_class_map"><ae:parameter name="ancestor::${htmlnsPrefix}fieldset | self::${htmlnsPrefix}*">error</ae:parameter></ae:parameter>
11:53 < Wombert> done
11:53 < Wombert> that should do the trick
11:53 < Jarda> global_filters?
11:53 < Wombert> let me know if that works, Jarda, I'm curious myself
11:53 < Wombert> yeah
11:55 < Jarda> it has now class="error error"
11:55 < Wombert> yeah
11:55 < Wombert> but other than that it works, right?
11:56 < Jarda> yeah
11:56 < Wombert> two erroneous fields?
11:56 < Jarda> no, one
11:56 < Wombert> oh?
11:56 < Wombert> hm
11:56 < Wombert> lemme check
12:03 < Jarda> var_dump($this->container->getValidationManager()->getErrors()); gives me array(1) { ... } so it has to be one errorneous field, right? :)
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12:04 < Wombert> odd
12:04 < Wombert> ah
12:04 < Jarda> but this allready is cool, as class="error error" is valid html and works as expected :)
12:04 < Wombert> it happens because it does the same when applying the class to the label
12:04 < Wombert> actually it should produce a validator warning
12:05 < _cheerios> http://www.manuel-pichler.de/archives/60-Why-I-love-PHP.html :)
12:06 < Wombert> Jarda: self::${htmlnsPrefix}*[not(local-name() = 'label')]/ancestor::${htmlnsPrefix}form | self::${htmlnsPrefix}*
12:07 < Wombert> as an alternative, make two rules
12:07 < Wombert> self::${htmlnsPrefix}label/ancestor::${htmlnsPrefix}form | self::${htmlnsPrefix}label
12:07 < Wombert> ancestor::${htmlnsPrefix}form | self::${htmlnsPrefix}*
12:07  * Wombert tries that
12:08 < Wombert> hm no that doesn't work
12:08 < Wombert> ah lawl
12:08 < Wombert> self::${htmlnsPrefix}label
12:08 < Wombert> ancestor::${htmlnsPrefix}form | self::${htmlnsPrefix}*
12:08 < Wombert> like that of course
12:08 < Jarda> ok, I'm lost.. where am I supposed to put those to? :)
12:09 < Wombert> so if it's operating on a label, it only gives that the class, otherwise, it also gives the form (you need to use fieldset) a class in addition to the element itself (which will then be a form field)
12:09 < Wombert> well you have one rule there already, right?
12:09 < Wombert> just add another
12:09 < Wombert> 				<ae:parameter name="error_class_map">
12:09 < Wombert> 					<ae:parameter name="self::${htmlnsPrefix}label">error</ae:parameter>
12:09 < Wombert> 					<ae:parameter name="ancestor::${htmlnsPrefix}form | self::${htmlnsPrefix}*">error</ae:parameter>
12:09 < Wombert> 				</ae:parameter>
12:09 < Jarda> now I get it :)
12:09 < Wombert> and you need to use fieldset, not form
12:10 < Wombert> of course
12:10 < Wombert> see, this is why xpath >>>>>> css selector bullshitz
12:10 < Wombert> graste: wanna add that to your faq? :>
12:11 < Jarda> cool!
12:11 < saracen> Wombert: You're a liar.
12:11 < saracen> What happened to L4D?
12:11 < Jarda> thanks
12:11 < Jarda> (and when v-dogg comes back to work from his holiday he takes my fieldset-stuff away, I'm pretty sure about that :D)
12:13 < Wombert> oh he's on a holiday?
12:13 < Wombert> where did he go
12:15 < Jarda> I think he's at home :D
12:15 < Jarda> but off from work anyway
12:15 < v-dogg> working from hoem, that is
12:15 < v-dogg> at least now
12:15 < v-dogg> stupid customers...
12:18  * Jarda needs to make a blog for agavitips
12:18 < graste> re :P
12:19 < Jarda> which blogengine to install? :D
12:19 < v-dogg> they all suck 
12:19 < Jarda> yeah, I guessed that
12:19 < v-dogg> there just isn't a good solution if you want to blog code samples
12:20 < Jarda> diy..
12:20 < v-dogg> tried even that... :)
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12:24 < Jarda> is redracer going to answer to this question or what the hell is redracer? :)
12:26 < saracen> redracer is like sourceforge, only for agavi related stuffs I think, with less features
12:26 < saracen> Basically a code respository, from what I hear
12:28 < graste> Jarda: paste the complete example :D
12:28 < graste> would be nice to see some advanced fpf magic
12:28 < graste> =)
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12:31 < Jarda> http://codepad.org/yS7eM7qb
12:31 < Jarda> that's it, now my fieldsets get class="error" and I can hilight them from all the other stuff
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12:46 < graste> okay, thx
12:47  * graste opens a random global filters file to look where it should be added
12:52 < Jarda> sorry..
12:52 < graste> hm, so that snippet decides what class to add in case of error and where?
12:53 < graste> each label and the surrounding fieldset gets the error class?
12:53 < Jarda> http://codepad.org/DeGFt59N
12:54 < Jarda> yeah, it adds the class=error to errorneous inputs and their labels as well as their parent fieldset
12:54 < graste> cool
12:55  * Jarda ♥ fpf
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12:56 < graste> yeah
12:56 < graste> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUbBnM9O7uk
12:56 < graste> that "yeah" was FPF related :P
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13:09 < _cheerios> graste, loool
13:11 < graste> :
13:11 < graste> :)
13:11 < graste> any head will do!
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13:24 < _cheerios> bored @ office. time to call it a week I guess.
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13:27 < graste> indeed
13:27 < graste> beer o'clock
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13:39 < sth> Anyone know where the validator xml dtd is?
13:41 < sth> Or a specification for said document?
13:42 < sth> n/m
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13:50 < Wombert> graste: the "foo | bar" makes an xpath node collection as a result
13:50 < Wombert> however, what I first suggested would be applied to both the element when it gets its class and the respective label
13:50 < Wombert> so the ancestor::blah selector would match twice, with the class applied twice too
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14:00 < Jarda> ok, maybe it's time to call it a week
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14:22 < erisco> good morning, again, this time after sleep
14:23 < saracen> Hai
14:27 < Wombert> hence the first rule only matches labels (which is never true for input fields), while the second matches anything (but not labels, they're caught in the first rule) PLUS the fieldset, and the class is thus applied to both
14:27 < Wombert> (that was for graste)
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14:44 < E_mE> Wombert: you got 2 minutes for a question regarding routing?
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14:45 < Wombert> E_mE: no, but why don't you just ask away?
14:45 < Wombert> plenty of people here
14:45 < E_mE> sure :)
14:45 < Wombert> graste_: 
14:45 < Wombert> [15:50] Wombert: graste: the "foo | bar" makes an xpath node collection as a result
14:45 < Wombert> [15:50] Wombert: however, what I first suggested would be applied to both the element when it gets its class and the respective label
14:45 < Wombert> [15:50] Wombert: so the ancestor::blah selector would match twice, with the class applied twice too
14:45 < Wombert> [16:27] Wombert: hence the first rule only matches labels (which is never true for input fields), while the second matches anything (but not labels, they're caught in the first rule) PLUS the fieldset, and the class is thus applied to both
14:46 < E_mE> is it possible to load in a collection of routing rules (outside of the main routing.xml) and insert them into the routing table? Rather then relying on routing.xml on its own. I know you can do xincludes, but that isn't dynamic enough to load them in at runtime
14:46 < graste_> o_O
14:46 < graste_> thx Wombert
14:47 < Wombert> E_mE: subclass ze routing and do it there
14:47 < E_mE> so extend the routing class and write in my own loading functionality?
14:47 < Wombert> yeah
14:47 < Wombert> loadConfig()
14:47 < erisco> do we still have docs on how to organize models into sub directories?
14:47 < erisco> aka, how do I do this :P
14:47 < E_mE> coolio, thanks Wombert ... i will ponder on this :)
14:48 < Wombert> erisco: models/Yellow/Sub/MarineModel.class.php => Yellow.Sub.Marine, class Yellow_Sub_MarineModel
14:48 < erisco> interesting example :P thanks, that is clear
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14:52 < CIA-67> david * r4200 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/validator/AgaviArraylengthValidator.class.php): Fixed #1122: AgaviArraylengthValidator doesn't work with files
14:54 < graste_> is it intended, that the number validator returns 1 in case of "0" given and 0 in case of "0.0" ?
14:55 < CIA-67> david * r4201 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/config/defaults/validators.xml): Closes #1123: Validator shortcut "arraylength" should default to minimum of one element
14:58 < CIA-67> david * r4203 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/config/AgaviValidatorConfigHandler.class.php): merge [4201/branches/1.0], refs #1123
14:59  * sth sets fire to saracen 
14:59 < saracen> WHAT
15:00 < saracen> I just happened to be looking btw
15:00 < saracen> I don't sit here waiting for something to happen
15:00 < sth> LIAR
15:00 < saracen> =(
15:00 < sth> You have a notify script for when I talk
15:00 < saracen> Yeah, but only so I can ignore you
15:00 < saracen> I dont know how that makes any sense
15:00 < saracen> ..
15:00 < sth> ...
15:00 < CIA-67> david * r4204 /branches/0.11/RELEASE_NOTES: 0.11.8 release notes
15:00 < saracen> get off my PERIODS
15:01 < saracen> that's what she said.
15:01 < sth> That only works when someone else says it
15:01 < saracen> I know, but nobody else was going to =(
15:01 < saracen> I should probably log in to IRC twice, for this occasion though
15:01 < saracen> It happens quite a lot, I have to complete punchlines because nobody else is quite as hilarious as me
15:02 < saracen> This is where I'd reply "cuntwagon."
15:02 < sth> No, none is as retarded as you 
15:02 < saracen> Anyway
15:02 < saracen> What did you need/want?
15:02 < sth> Nothing
15:02 < saracen> well, I need something from you
15:02 < saracen> All the informationz
15:02 < sth> I just want to set a fire 
15:02 < saracen> Is PHPCouch in a usable state?
15:03 < sth> saracen: OK!, I'll download it on to a 1.44MB floppy drive!
15:03 < sth> saracen: We're using it in the BX offices
15:03 < sth> Needs bulk operations, but it seems fine so far
15:03 < saracen> How are the views being handled?
15:04 < sth> With pure awesome
15:04 < saracen> Really?
15:04 < sth> Ya rly.
15:04 < saracen> Explain!
15:04 < saracen> I did wonder how phpcouch would go about it
15:04 < sth> Well, you take normal awesome and refine it and the outputted product is pure awesome
15:05 < saracen> sounds awesome
15:05 < saracen> With jokes like this, you could be my secondary IRC client.
15:06 < sth> You'd like that wouldn't you.
15:06 < saracen> I'd love that, honey
15:06 < sth> WELL TOUGH, I WON'T DO IT
15:06 < saracen> =(
15:17 < erisco> is it conventional to include "cache columns" in tables? Ie, Projects have many Tags and I would like a list of all projects and their tags. Without withdrawing the project for each tag it has (what a left join would do) would one perhaps add a separated list of tag names in the Project table?
15:18 < erisco> otherwise the only other way to get all the associated tags that I can think of is to query the database an equal amount of times as the number of projects there are
15:19 < erisco> the hassle is keeping these caches in sync, of course, but it should not be too difficult
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15:22 < erisco> perhaps I should ask in #sql :P
15:50 < CIA-67> david * r4205 /branches/1.0/RELEASE_NOTES: 1.0.2 release notes, first take
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16:05 < Xylakant> erisco: I wpi
16:05 < Xylakant> I would not do it
16:05 < Xylakant> the maintenance is a PITA
16:05 < Xylakant> I'd do the left join
16:05 < erisco> Xylakant, I have been talking on #sql and it seems the alternatives are either doing group concats or multiple queries
16:06 < erisco> Xylakant, the number of rows withdrawn, because its a cartesian product, grows very rapidly and I fear even beginning down that path
16:06 < erisco> Xylakant, because it is not just projects and their tags I need, its their developers and their releases too, and who knows what else spring sup
16:07 < Xylakant> well, the number of rows is not (number of projects) * (number of tags)
16:08 < Xylakant> it's (number of projects) * (number of associations between projects and tags)
16:08 < erisco> Xylakant, I know
16:08 < Xylakant> but what do you need that list for?
16:08 < erisco> but even if you average the cases for examples, rather than doing summations, if you are listing 10 projects per page and each project has on average 3 developers and 4 tags...
16:09 < erisco> and who knows how many releases :P
16:09 < erisco> Xylakant, well, there are abbreviations that I can make instead. Instead of listing the developers I can do a sub query for the number of developers
16:10 < erisco> and just grab the latest release rather than a list of releases
16:10 < erisco> particularly, it is search results
16:10 < Xylakant> keep the list simple at the moment
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16:11 < erisco> okay, but what is the idea for the future? this is not the only case I have run into the problem
16:11 < erisco> I'm trying to find what would normally be done even if just for knowledge-sake
16:11 < erisco> it evidently is not too easy so I will take shortcuts
16:12 < erisco> but I'd like to know anyhow for my other work :)
16:14 < Xylakant> there's multiple variations of what can be done
16:15 < Xylakant> if you really need to list all tags for each project and each associated developer and each release in the list
16:15 < Xylakant> and have 1000 entries per page 
16:15 < Xylakant> you might as well consider not using a relational database to do the search
16:15 < Xylakant> use a search engine that
16:15 < Xylakant> is specialized on that
16:16 < Xylakant> the search index stores the data in a denormalized form
16:16 < Xylakant> because normalized data is usually crap for fulltext searches
16:16 < Xylakant> bang, problem gone
16:18 < erisco> okay, what if I do a search by name, sort by name, date, last release date, and current rating?
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16:18 < erisco> search by name... nah, search in the name, short and long description
16:19 < erisco> and not display anything about releases or number of developers and save it for the project page
16:19 < Xylakant> solr can handle that
16:19 < erisco> that sounds more reasonable
16:19 < Xylakant> or now, using sql?
16:19 < Xylakant> for now a search by tag and project name is sufficient
16:19 < erisco> well, it should be doable with SQL, it would at most just involve a could sub queries
16:20 < erisco> search by tag! of course :)
16:20 < Xylakant> why subqueries?
16:20 < digitarald> Huomenta
16:20 < Xylakant> huomenta
16:20 < digitarald> erisco: didn't u use Doctrine?
16:20 < erisco> digitarald, yes
16:21 < digitarald> greetings from Baghdad on the bay ... agavians
16:21 < erisco> Xylakant, actually, never mind. I was imagining the sub query for the current rating but it could be more complicated than that
16:21 < erisco> so I will leave it out
16:21 < digitarald> erisco: are the dql queries too limited for that purpose?
16:22 < erisco> digitarald, MySQL and many rdbms are too limited =\
16:22 < erisco> digitarald, really, its from a lack of "shaped queries"
16:23 < digitarald> I'd just use Doctrines DQL for now and see how it scales
16:23 < erisco> digitarald, I am just going to take Xylakant's advice and trim the features. He said my best bet for that kind of functionality would be a more specialized engine
16:24 < erisco> which we are clearly not going to use to power redracer as that would be impractical :P
16:24 < digitarald> Doctrine has a search plugin, but I'd not recommend it
16:24 < erisco> Xylakant, thanks for the help :D
16:24 < Xylakant> you're welcom
16:24 < Xylakant> e
16:25 < erisco> digitarald, well, this involves withdrawing rows with their relationships... so you can a) do multiple queries, b) do group concats, c) do left joins and suffer
16:26 < erisco> digitarald, it is not something Doctrine can fix magically
16:26 < digitarald> doctrine DQL usually results in multiple queries
16:27 < erisco> digitarald, the number of extra queries would be significant even if it did happen to catch the cases
16:27 < erisco> and that is not really desirable either
16:29 < digitarald> do you want a score system, ordered by relevance?
16:30 < erisco> no
16:30 < erisco> its not the text searching that is the issue
16:31 < digitarald> but tags, right?
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16:32 < erisco> no :P
16:32 < erisco> digitarald, its okay, I have it worked out for now
16:32 < erisco> digitarald, thanks though
16:33  * digitarald scrolls up to find the issue
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17:02 < E_mE> prepare to be moonwalked for ever: http://www.eternalmoonwalk.com/
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17:10 < erisco> E_mE, that is really cool, thanks for showing me it
17:10 < E_mE> yeah i was quite impressed ... seems like it goes on for ever hehe
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17:42 < Rendez> E_mE LOL
17:42 < v-dogg> has anyone managed to get 5.3 working on Windows? (plain vanilla Apache 2.2 from apache.org and php installed as a module so thread safe VC6 binaries)
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18:16 < MikeSeth> hay guise
18:16 < MikeSeth> im in turkey :D
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18:43 < Jarda> I really should boot up my windows-box and try php5.3
18:45 < MikeSeth> why\what's\so\special\about\it?
18:45 < MikeSeth> lol
18:45 < sth> Jarda: Why boot windows?
18:45 < Jarda> well I tried to install php5.3 on my work machine and it didn't work
18:45 < sth> It'd be much easier to use a Mac or a Linux machine :D
18:45 < Jarda> sth: to check if it is only on my work desktop
18:45 < Jarda> we use windows at work
18:46 < Jarda> (which is really just fine, much better than linux)
18:46 < sth> For what? A coaster?
18:46 < Jarda> for doing work..
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18:47 < Jarda> and I did use linux (several distros) for years as my only operating system
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18:48 < Jarda> now I use mac at home, windows at work
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19:33 < erisco> Xylakant, are we just restricting users from rating multiple times by IP address?
19:33 < erisco> or setting a cookie or both or what?
19:34 < v-dogg> any ip-based solution is not going to work
19:34 < v-dogg> some don't get to vote at all, some as many times as they like
19:34 < erisco> v-dogg, I realize
19:34 < Xylakant> set a cookie, store it in the session
19:34 < Xylakant> that's enough
19:35 < Xylakant> please log the ip and the session id
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19:44 < sth> oh bai felix
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20:12 < saracen> I asked this awhile back I think, but - what do you guys use for PDF generation?
20:17 < sth> Hopes and dreams
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20:18 < sth> Wb
20:19 < erisco> Xylakant, would you log this in the database along with each rating record?
20:19 < erisco> sorry for asking so many little questions but, you know, I'm knew to real-world practices and all
20:19 < Xylakant> There's two ways of doing it. either you log each rate in the database or write it to a parseable log-file
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20:26 < erisco> so, if I already had a rating table that kept track of the likes and dislikes, would it be better to add more columns to that table or make a second table for the logs?
20:26 < erisco> is there worth to keeping it separate?
20:37 < erisco> well, I will start with it separate and see how that goes
20:50 < Xylakant> I'd keep it separate in any case
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22:33 < aka> erisco: I would def keep that seperate if you need logs
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08:16 < simoncpu> hi... how can i get the base model?
08:16 < simoncpu> my base models are located at app/lib/model...
08:16 < simoncpu> getModel() gets the global models at app/models
08:16  * simoncpu needs to create a unit test for the global models
08:17 < horros> Ah, that reminds me of something... IMO the base models, actions and views should be abstract.
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08:27 < simoncpu> yikes
08:28 < simoncpu> btw, what's the difference between an interface and an abstract class?
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09:13 < simoncpu> huomenta... i have this weird problem
09:14 < simoncpu> an application in our web server sets various session variables... it uses the session id PHPSESSID
09:14 < simoncpu> in order for agavi to read the vars, i've set session_name in factories.xml to PHPSESSID as well
09:15 < simoncpu> now, according to livehttpdheader, my browser sends this cookie:
09:15 < simoncpu> PHPSESSID=xxxx; PHPSESSID=xxxxx
09:16 < simoncpu> so agavi can't read the other app's sessions
09:16 < simoncpu> hmmm
09:16 < simoncpu> lemme try clearing my browser cookies
09:18 < simoncpu> aaargh, nevermind
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09:44 < _cheerios> huomenta
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10:19 < _cheerios> ttj, http://vierityspalkki.fi/2009/07/23/julkishallinto-sekoilee-shkisen-liiketoiminnan-edistmisess/ :) "10000e for two days of consulting with a seminar for 6500e" etc., problem being "no results were gained" :p
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11:30 < _cheerios> why do i find myself optimizing queries with only 50mil rows in the db :<
11:31 < _cheerios> and the queries are like dead simple and use indexes :<
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13:57 < saracen> Anybody here ever used tcpdf with agavi?
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14:03 < impl> That looks like crap.
14:05 < saracen> You ever seen a pdf lib for php that didn't
14:05 < saracen> Anyway, doesn't appear this is a tcpdf problem as such ;x
14:06 < saracen> If I include() a url that points to my agavi application, inside of my agavi application, the web server times out
14:06 < saracen> I'm not including the same page, so it doesnt appear to be recursion
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14:06 < impl> Zend_Pdf is okay, but very minimal
14:06 < saracen> This is just my test, the actual problem is tcpdf wants to access an image which is dynamically created with agavi - it gets the same timeput problem
14:06 < saracen> timeout*
14:06 < saracen> So any ideas why it'd be doing this? ;x
14:07 < impl> anything in the error_log?
14:08 < saracen> Which error_log? =( I've never set up logging on agavi
14:08 < impl> Apache or PHP
14:10 < saracen> Nope, although I've only just enabled PHP error logging. Maybe I should generate another error to make sure its working
14:16 < saracen> oh wait, only having one instance of php running with fcgi is bound to cause these problems =(
14:16 < saracen> sigh
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15:16 < saracen> I using agavis caching on dynamic image creation. These images get fetched a lot during one specific page load (a reaults page, the images are graphs). Sometimes, some of the images don't load. Is it probable that this is due to a race condition, with the new image requests clearing the cache in dev mode?
15:17 < CIA-65> david * r4206 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG RELEASE_NOTES TODO): 0.11.8 release preps
15:19 < CIA-65> david * r4207 /branches/0.11/ (etc/phing/AgaviPackageTask.php src/version.php): 0.11.8 version info
15:30 < Xylakant> saracen: yes, that's indeed possible
15:30 < Xylakant> there are race conditions with caching and multiple requests in debug mode
15:34 < saracen> yeah, seems to work fine in production mode. Just wanted to be sure I shouldnt be hunting down a bug
15:41 < CIA-65> david * r4208 /tags/0.11.8/: tagging Agavi 0.11.8 release
15:57 < sth> saracen: you suck.
16:01 < saracen> sth: you suck moar
16:02 < saracen> Right, I better begin my mission of moving
16:02 < saracen> be back in like 12 years
16:02  * saracen &
16:03 < horros> Huomenta.
16:05 < _cheerios> huomenta :)
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16:26 < sth> David's busy today
16:28 < ttj> _cheerios: ~17km! \o/
16:28 < _cheerios> nice :) i still need to jog a small one today
16:29 < _cheerios> trapped myself by listening to http://bit.ly/7fJZt and its been downhill ever since
16:29 < ttj> http://sportstracker.nokia.com/nts/workoutdetail/index.do?id=1317557
16:30 < ttj> Had to draw the map manually, so naturally the distance is downwards as obviously decreasing the points decreases the distance measured.
16:30 < ttj> Need to get a foot pod for the hr monitor.
16:31 < _cheerios> no public viewing of your links
16:31 < ttj> Oh?
16:31 < ttj> Can you try it again?
16:33 < _cheerios> works
16:33 < _cheerios> swell route
16:34 < ttj> Yeah, it was really nice to run. Haven't been to Kaivari before.
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16:37 < _cheerios> ttj, btw. you wouldn't know any Sainio by any chance?
16:40 < _cheerios> music is wierd. listening to a tune that feels like yesterday... 18 years ago!
16:43 < ttj> Hmm... Doesn't ring a bell.
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17:28 < _cheerios> anyone setup tokyo w/php?
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19:05 < _cheerios> these "nosql" alternatives *shrug* maybe its just the configuration, but i can't get them to even finish the queries mysql has trouble with (= ~1sec execution times)
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22:32 < _cheerios> hmm, got mongodb running now. performance is there. but, give it one bad query and the server hangs infinitely. slightly beta quality...
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22:55 < _cheerios> seriously fast, though. totally ditchin' mysql :p
22:56 < _cheerios> (one sample query) mysql: took: 1.532988, mongo: 0.001688
23:00 < erisco> _cheerios, surely that is just something that plays into mongo well... three orders of magnitude fasteR?
23:01 < _cheerios> query is "a=X AND b<=Y AND c !=Z" for 26mil rows, three columns of ints
23:03 < erisco> so is this our wave of the future db?
23:04 < _cheerios> for simple lookups mysql is just as fast
23:04 < _cheerios> well, it's nowhere near as rich as mysql. mongo will suit me for a few tables.
23:05 < impl> They're just different
23:05 < impl> Each one has pros and cons
23:08 < _cheerios> i'll probably keep mysql, but insert the same data to mongo for the tables i'll use it on, and query mongo for results where mysql is a bottleneck (slow query log)
23:10 < _cheerios> less headache tweaking queries and might get some actual work done :D
23:23 < _cheerios> same query, executed second time, just changing a single digit like; FOO <= ...3... changed to ...2... mysql: 0.02sec, mongo: 0.0005sec ; definitely differences under the hood.
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01:12 < erisco> is "tags" a reserved attribute?
01:13 < erisco> no, does not seem so, never mind, different problem
01:13 < impl> gah reserved attribute
01:13  * impl stabs EVERYTHING AT ONCE
01:14 < erisco> sorry, I was getting a very convincing error :P
01:14 < erisco> but I fixed it
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01:17 < erisco> impl, the more I get into this project, the more messy it seems to become
01:17 < erisco> its a weird feeling that I am having
01:17 < erisco> is that normal?
01:17 < impl> yes
01:17 < impl> there are two reasons for that
01:17 < impl> one is that software isn't perfect, and so you're being limited by it
01:18 < impl> the other is that you aren't experienced with large applications, so you don't know how to deal with the limitations
01:18 < erisco> well, I will just keep plugging away
01:19 < erisco> hopefully when it is more stable we can go back and clean it up
01:20 < impl> indeed
01:26 < erisco> impl, can FPF work on checkboxes? I am having difficulty
01:26 < impl> I believe so, yes
01:26 < impl> what are you having problems with?
01:26 < erisco> I have checkboxes all with the name tags[] and I need to ensure at least one is checked
01:26 < erisco> so I am using the Arraylength validator
01:26 < impl> mmm
01:27 < impl> try manually numbering them tags[0..n] ?
01:27 < impl> might be a bug there, but I don't think so
01:28 < erisco> impl, ah, it does work now
01:28 < erisco> how does FPF decide where to place the error? in my case it put it at the top of the form
01:28 < erisco> my markup is valid but horrendous atm :P
01:34 < impl> erisco: you define it in global_filters.xml
01:35 < impl> it has a bunch of placement rules
01:37 < erisco> okay, I will keep that in mind
01:37 < erisco> thanks
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06:04  * Wombert stabs impl 
06:04 < impl> NEIN
06:06  * impl stabs Wombert back
06:06 < Wombert> god I'm so pissed at the php brazil organizers#
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06:07 < Wombert> I had a reminder in my calendar for yesterday, to file some talk proposals
06:07 < Wombert> php brazil said their cfp was open until july 25th
06:07 < Wombert> and then they closed it sometime mid-day
06:07 < Wombert> just because
06:07 < Wombert> ...
06:07 < Wombert> apparently I was minutes too late when I tried it in the evening my time
06:08 < impl> :(
06:08 < impl> you don't want to go to Brazil anyway.
06:08 < Wombert> why not
06:08 < impl> because everyone from .br on the Internet are a bunch of jerks.
06:09 < Wombert> I noticed
06:09 < Wombert> "yeah let's be stereotypically random and corruptishly south american and just close the cfp whenever we feel like it, not when we said we would"
06:10 < Wombert> really properly annoying
06:11 < impl> yeah
06:11 < impl> I would like to ban *.br
06:11 < impl> *.fr
06:11 < impl> and *.videotron.ca
06:11 < impl> from all of the Internet
06:12 < Wombert> I like the frenchies
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07:25 < horros> Huomenta.
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08:10 < Jarda> can I get environment in template somehow?
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08:47 < _cheerios> huomenta
09:11 < Wombert> Jarda: sure. AgaviConfig::get('core.environment');
09:11 < Wombert> Jarda: but why? :)
09:11 < Wombert> Jarda: if($env) in templates is usually evil, though sometimes necessary
09:11 < Wombert> Jarda: also, why are you working on a sunday
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09:32 < horros> Hmm, like I suspected yesterday, I'm probably losing my mind.
09:32 < horros> I'm pondering getting a BMW 5-series Touring :|
09:33 < Wombert> a new one?
09:33 < Wombert> you don't mean this stupid whatever-it's-called-version they released the other day, right, horros?
09:33 < horros> No, used. I don't have that kind of minies :|
09:33 < horros> monies too.
09:33 < Wombert> an E39 then, right?
09:34 < horros> I've no idea regarding those E-this or that.
09:34 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_E39
09:34 < Wombert> but get a post-facelift one
09:34 < Wombert> they're nice
09:35 < horros> Mmmhm.
09:35 < horros> BMW 525 dA Touring FACELIFT Steptronic Shadowline
09:35 < horros> 185hp/500Nm
09:38 < Wombert> yeah, facelift you want
09:38 < Wombert> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Bmw_528_interior_96.JPG http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:BMW_e39_interieur_EuroSpec.jpg
09:39 < horros> mmhm
09:39 < horros> Those pre-facelift ones look exactly like every single beemer since like -88 did.
09:40 < horros> They finally got rid of that annoying fuel usage gauge thingie, didn't they?
09:40 < horros> No, wait, it's still there.
09:40 < horros> :(
09:40 < Wombert> yeah that's retarded
09:41 < Wombert> newer model bmws don't have it anymore
09:41 < Wombert> but 525 diesel?
09:41 < Wombert> that doesn't have 185hp
09:41 < Wombert> and most importantly, not 500Nm :)
09:42 < horros> It's tuned.
09:43 < ttj> Bah. Just save a bit and get a new TT.
09:43 < ttj> But, now for some typical Sunday activities and off to the office to shred tons of paper.
09:45 < Wombert> tuned to 500nm?
09:45 < Wombert> dude
09:45 < Wombert> :p
09:45 < Wombert> ttj: same here in a few
09:45 < horros> What on earth would I do with a TT?
09:45 < horros> Wombert: Mmhm.
09:46 < Wombert> horros: 525d	I6 24V	2497	80/82.8	1:17.5	Common rail turbodiesel	120 kW (163 PS; 161 bhp) @ 4000	350 N·m (260 ft·lbf) @ 2000	8.9 (man) / 9.1 (aut)	2000–2003
09:46 < Wombert> durr
09:46 < horros> Turbotec tuned engine.
09:46 < Wombert> 525d  I6 24V  2497  80/82.8 1:17.5  Common rail turbodiesel 120 kW (163 PS; 161 bhp) @ 4000 350 N·m (260 ft·lbf) @ 2000 8.9 (man) / 9.1 (aut) 2000–2003
09:46 < Wombert> from 350 to 500Nm? my ass
09:46 < Wombert> that poor engine won't live much longer
09:46 < Wombert> how much kms does it have on the clock?
09:47 < horros> Don't remember, I'm afraid.
09:49 < horros> Possibly also pondering an A6
09:49 < Jarda> Wombert: I actually would want ti like <slot environment="production.*"  ..
09:50 < Jarda> Wombert: coding a non-paid site
09:51 < Wombert> Jarda: you can define different layouts per environment
09:51 < Wombert> best way is probably to conditionally register the slot in the view
09:52 < Jarda> well it's about google analytics
09:53 < Wombert> yeah
09:53 < Wombert> I did the same thing
09:53 < Wombert> with per-env layouts
09:56 < Jarda> ok
09:58 < Jarda> pattern="^/({locale:[a-z]{2}(_[A-Z]{2})?})"
09:58 < Jarda> I don't get that
10:02 < horros> Oh my. Audi RS6 -03 4.2l biturbo Quattro.
10:02 < horros> MTM tuning kit, so about 500hp or so.
10:02 < horros> 47 500e :((
10:03 < horros> Stupid country and it's stupid car taxes.
10:03 < Jarda> if using the translation used in sample app, do I have to create own templates for all the languages?
10:03 < horros> Grumble.
10:03 < horros> Jarda: Nossir.
10:03 < horros> Jarda: You can just do $tm->_('Your string here', 'translation_domain_here');
10:03 < Jarda> ok, so plain html doesn't get translated
10:03 < horros> Nope.
10:04 < Jarda> like <p>I am foo</p>
10:04 < horros> Nope.
10:04 < Jarda> so the answer actually is yes, I have to create per locale templates :)
10:04 < Jarda> PITA to manage..
10:05 < horros> No, you _do_ _not_ have to create per locale templates ;)
10:05 < horros> if you output all the text through the translation manager
10:05 < Jarda> so everything should be outputted $tm->_('FOOOOO')
10:07 < Jarda> <p><?php echo $tm->_('My name is Foo', 'domain');?></p><p><?php echo $tm->_('And I am Bar, 'domain');?></p>
10:07 < Jarda> nice
10:07 < Jarda> well, localization is a bitch
10:07 < horros> It sure is.
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10:37 < sth> Morning
10:37 < Wombert> Noon.
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10:52 < sth> I should probably get ready, the race starts in an hour
10:56 < _cheerios> Massa took a 800g spring to his face? Ouch. :<
11:00 < sth> Yeah from the back of a brawn
11:03 < sth> off to ze office
11:04 < _cheerios> http://bash.org/?739936
11:16 < Wombert> rofl _cheerios 
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11:50 < ttj> horros: I believe you would typically drive a TT. But not being from Tampere, I don't know how you would use them there. ;)
11:51 < horros> How on earth would I fit in missus, dog, rabbit and other assorted things in a TT? :P
11:51 < ttj> You don't. That's the point.
11:52 < ttj> "No, we will not drag stupid animals along. They won't fit in the car."
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11:52 < horros> Well, you see, I actually _like_ my dog.
11:52 < ttj> That's why we have Fedex.
11:53 < horros> F1 @ Hungaroring -->
11:53 < hzilla> anyone know where to watch the f1 live hd bbc?
11:53 < hzilla> or not hd
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13:43 < _cheerios> Räikkönen to be on podium with Hamilton? EH? :D
13:43 < _cheerios> what happened to brawn+redbull?
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13:59 < sth> _cheerios: failure
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15:00 < hzilla> hamilton's a brat
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18:30 < _cheerios> http://www.onlive.com/ interesting. they stream the games to your computer, thus playing any game on TV without a console (needs their hardware plug-in) works too
18:32 < _cheerios> maybe can game on Linux finally too *g*
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19:34 < Jarda> any downsides of making something like ProgBaseAction extends AgaviAction and ProgBaseAdminAction extends ProgBaseAction - ProgBaseAdminAction contains just "isSecure() { return true; }"
19:34 < Jarda> ?
19:40 < erisco> _cheerios, that is not the only project like that
19:41 < _cheerios> erisco, is there anything "live" ?
19:41 < erisco> I am trying to find its web page. its in beta
19:42 < erisco> its objective is to work through a web browser though
19:42 < erisco> and stream MMO's to you and such
19:44 < erisco> _cheerios, the main issue is clearly lag. having a higher ping is going to make all the controls feel sluggish and unresponsive
19:45 < _cheerios> sure. they'll need servers where the players are. with dsl connections the lag is 10-30ms, which should be playable for most games bar intensive fps.
19:46 < erisco> that is their plan, to install servers where there is demand
19:46 < erisco> I am not sure how enticed I would be personally to use the service
19:47 < _cheerios> sure? if it'd work good enough, it'd be like video rental for games.
19:48 < erisco> I guess being a linux user it would mean more than a windows user perhaps, or a mac user
19:49 < erisco> and it'd perhaps be more popular for single player games where requirements are high and there usually isn't a demo
19:50 < _cheerios> yup. i wouldn't mind playing eg. Metal Gear Solid 4 that came for PS3 on Linux. If they can pull that off, I'm there :)
19:50 < erisco> I would also be really concerned about the bandwidth needed... I do not know if I could stream it well enough
19:51 < erisco> haha, yeah, that would be cool. Or play Halo 3 in your browser... then I would have never needed an xbox
19:52 < erisco> so how are they going to get licensing to do that when it dissuades me from buying their products?
19:52 < erisco> *shrug*
19:52 < _cheerios> i'll wait and see :)
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20:47 < saracen> [1045] Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
20:48 < saracen> Anybody know how to pass a dsn string to doctrine without a password?
20:48 < saracen> I don't want to use a password, but it still says i'm using one =(
20:48 < saracen> tried mysql://root@localhost/database and mysql://root:@localhost/database
20:51 < saracen> nm, my bad
20:51 < saracen> it's working.
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21:02 < everplays> guys is there any way to add validation on dynamic way? for example how i can validate dynamic forms with agavi?
21:02 < everplays> %s/guys/guys, /
21:10 < _cheerios> you can write all the validation code you want in eg. validateWrite(AgaviRequestDataHolder $rd){}
21:12 < sth> ugh
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21:12 < Rayne> o hai
21:12 < sth> hi
21:12 < Rayne> does any one use arch linux + agavi?
21:12  * sth sporks Wombewrt
21:12 < Rayne> hey sth
21:12 < sth> Rayne: I can't imagine how it'd be different from any other version of linux
21:12 < sth> Wombert*
21:13 < Rayne> sth, no idea, but will try it soon - just installed arch but havent found for isntance xslt on the packagemanager
21:13 < everplays> _cheerios: tnx dude 
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22:11 < saracen> 22:13:21 < Rayne> sth, no idea, but will try it soon - just installed arch but havent found for isntance xslt on the packagemanager
22:11 < saracen> if its not there, compile php yourself :)
22:12 < saracen> Or just use a linux flavour with better package management
22:12 < saracen> :)
22:12 < Rayne> saracen, i assumed that, gnah 
22:13 < sth> Or slap saracen 
22:13 < saracen> that fix all your problems
22:13 < saracen> it helps my dad
22:14 < saracen> that'll*
22:14 < Rayne> haha
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22:47 < Rayne> wth, agavi-dist does not return anything except i do not enter the correct path to the agavi /src
22:50 < impl> that's because the default path is @PEAR_DIR@/agavi or something
22:50 < impl> you need to copy the file to your own project and edit it
22:50 < Rayne> impl, i updated it
22:50 < impl> then you updated it wrong :P
22:50 < Rayne> hm
22:51 < Rayne> no
22:51 < Rayne> because it will return my random added echos in the agavi.php at /src/build/agavi/script/agavi.php
22:51 < Rayne> but if i write there a non-existing function name it does stop there parsing (without an error). have to check the logs or php.ini. weird. :/
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22:52 < impl> it doesn't call that script until it has the correct source directory
22:52 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/trunk/bin/agavi-dist#L88
22:52 < Rayne> it call's that script because the script returns some random inserted echo messages
22:53 < impl> and I'm telling you that's not possible until the source directory is correct :P
22:53 < Rayne> it is correct
22:53 < impl> then what on earth *is* wrong?
22:54 < Rayne> i have no idea, it does nothing except printing my random added echoes
22:54 < Rayne> but if something "unexcepted" happens it does not throw an error :/
22:54 < impl> ...
22:56 < Rayne> if i add `echo 'meh.'` it will return .meh. if i add throw new Exception('fu'); it does nothing.
22:56 < Rayne> or olol_this_function_is_funny()
22:56 < Rayne> error reporting is E_ALL
22:57 < impl> you probably have display_errors off.
22:57 < Rayne> hm, that could be possible
22:58 < Rayne> i hate you arch shipped php.ini grr >:|
22:58 < Rayne> thanks impl :/
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23:52 < erisco> I do not feel inspired or driven right now :(
23:53  * erisco is looking for inspirational help
23:56 < impl> hmh
23:56 < erisco> oh, favourite song is on
--- Day changed Mon Jul 27 2009
00:01 < erisco> impl, bad day by daniel powter... I like it because I have the b flat whistle to play it with :)
00:01 < saracen> psht
00:05 < erisco> saracen, do you play any instruments?
00:07 < saracen> No, i'm suppose to be learning to play guitar, but I have too many breaks for far too long for anything to stick :)
00:07 < saracen> So, £500 guitar and £250 worth of amp keeps gathering dust =(
00:08 < erisco> I used to take piano lessons when I was younger but after four years I began to lose interest and by six years I quit
00:08 < erisco> Something about the whistle resonated with me when I started playing not just a few months ago
00:09 < erisco> many instruments are quite complicated in design, such as the flute for example, and some are not very practical to bring around like the piano
00:09 < saracen> =D
00:09 < erisco> but the whistle... while a bit limited in its range, is so very simplistic that it... I don't know
00:09 < saracen> bad day I used to really like, but I listened to it too much ages ago
00:09 < saracen> ruined it for me :)
00:10 < erisco> I guess it related strongly to what I like in good programming
00:10 < erisco> clear, simple, robust
00:10 < saracen> Bet you can't wait until Whistle 2.0
00:10 < erisco> haha :P
00:10 < saracen> Next biggest thing is social whistling
00:11 < erisco> well, that is kind of the flute, which is a really complex instrument in comparison
00:11 < saracen> And when whistle tweets, short bursts that you can send people
00:11 < saracen> then*
00:11 < saracen> hah
00:11 < saracen> The Flute - Whistle 2.0
00:11 < erisco> heheh, nah, I want the whistle to remain the way it is ;)
00:12 < erisco> but its great because I just have it sitting at my desk and whenever I am stuck on something or just feel bored I can pick it up and play something
00:12 < erisco> do not have to leave my chair at all :P
00:12 < impl> I want to learn Harmonica
00:13 < erisco> harmonica sounds fun :D
00:13 < saracen> harmoncia is apparently easy. "Our" drummer picked it up for one song and learnt it really quick. Cant remember what the song was now though
00:13 < saracen> Was something that obviously didnt involve a drummer :)
00:14 < erisco> you can drum and play harmonica at the same time
00:14 < erisco> and you can put a bicycle horn under your armpit
00:14 < saracen> Yeah, he dosnt have the setup for it though
00:14 < saracen> :D
00:16 < erisco> oh, so I looked into PAL
00:16 < saracen> im off to bed, nn guys
00:16 < impl> oh yeah? :D
00:17 < impl> night boatluvr
00:17 < saracen> =(
00:17 < erisco> and it really felt like a naive project developed by a newb
00:18 < erisco> and since I had spent at least a year or two trying something similar, I sort of know what it looks like
00:18 < impl> heh
00:19 < erisco> that is how I got as wickedly awesome as I am though
00:19 < erisco> ;)
00:19 < erisco> long time gruelling with trying to build a web framework =\
00:19 < impl> haha. :P
00:19 < erisco> I wonder if I still have some copies around of my old work...
00:19 < erisco> oh, I used to have some really interesting ideas
00:20  * impl is hungry
00:20 < erisco> is it the legacy of every PHP programmer? building their first web framework?
00:20 < impl> I don't think I ever made anything more complex than a templating engine
00:21 < erisco> oh, hahaha, templating... where it began...
00:21 < erisco> yes I remember wanting to devise my own templating language and I remember building a parser for it
00:21 < erisco> well, many parsers
00:21 < impl> I'd show you some of my old stuff but it's all packed away
00:21 < impl> you would laugh :(
00:22 < erisco> how would I laugh? my past work is not any better guaranteed
00:22 < erisco> but I do not really care to see it either :P
00:22 < impl> haha
00:22 < impl> I don't blame you
00:22 < erisco> I can just join ##php and look at pastebins if I am desperate
00:23 < impl> I really want to get away from PHP
00:23 < erisco> you can't because of Agavi :)
00:23 < erisco> I can't because I have nothing other to do in any language
00:23 < erisco> in fact that is why I am do demotivated right now :(
00:23 < impl> If I have my way, Agavi 2 won't be PHP :D
00:23 < erisco> I do not know what to do
00:23 < erisco> I am all for migrating Agavi to another language... but what one?
00:24 < impl> dunno
00:24 < impl> I've tossed around Python a few times, but there are a lot of things about Python that really piss me off
00:24 < erisco> I mean, the quick pick is Python but that just isn't original. Agavi is not common place... we need something that is as much of an outcast as Agavi... like Haskell perhaps? :)
00:25 < erisco> I'd say Scala because I have heard highly of it but I am not a fan of Java
00:25 < erisco> which, if it resembles, not sure how much I'd like Scala either but I have not given it a chance yet (still on Haskell)
00:25 < impl> I don't know about Haskell
00:26 < erisco> the code base would look entirely different... how would you begin such a port? bleh
00:26 < impl> oh, we wouldn't
00:26 < impl> Agavi 2 is from the ground up
00:26 < erisco> really now?
00:27 < erisco> how exciting :)
00:27 < impl> that's the idea
00:27 < impl> http://www.dabeaz.com/python/GIL.pdf <-- if you're interested in why CPython is retarded, see here
00:27 < erisco> so its the time to forget about legacy support and get all the new awesome ideas into it
00:27 < impl> exactly
00:28 < erisco> haskell can easily utilize multiple cores :)
00:28 < impl> I rewrote part of Python's threading
00:29 < erisco> so, as it is right now, how closely does Agavi 2 resemble Agavi 1? or is it still so far off that there are not any good ideas for it yet?
00:29 < impl> Agavi 2 ... doesn't exist right now
00:30 < impl> there are no plans at all
00:30 < erisco> I know but some ideas have to be there
00:30 < erisco> none? I am pretty sure there were at least a couple tickets
00:30 < impl> oh, yeah, like 'make it PHP6 only'
00:30 < impl> and there's a ticket from like 2005 that says to rename stuff
00:33 < erisco> haha, well, whatever you guys come up with, I am sure it'll be great
00:33 < erisco> and a new language would put a cool spin on it
00:34 < erisco> impl, thanks for that document I plan to read it
00:35 < impl> sure
00:37 < archtech> erisco, there's a reason why every programmer builds a framework
00:38 < archtech> and it is that for some reason, really poor efforts top the popularity charts.
00:38 < archtech> The better efforts are less visible.
00:38 < archtech> Thus causing the masses of PHP coders tot hink they should do it on their own.
00:39 < erisco> the known solutions suck, so sucky programmers make more sucky solutions?
00:39 < archtech> basically
00:39 < erisco> I could agree with that
00:40 < impl> the reason is that the poor efforts have the lowest barrier to entry, archtech 
00:40 < impl> just like PHP itself
00:40 < erisco> yeah =\
00:40 < erisco> and it really shows. #haskell for example has many smart, helpful, inventive people
00:41 < erisco> ##php has people asking for free scripts to build web sites
00:41 < archtech> erisco, that's more the aftermath of... math.
00:41 < impl> Not really.
00:41 < archtech> The more popular a platform is, the smaller the "smart" core.
00:41 < impl> #haskell has more people in it than ##php
00:41 < archtech> It's mostly because the masses go with whatever is popular.
00:42 < archtech> While people using Haskell have different motivations.
00:42 < archtech> impl, and how much is that?
00:42 < archtech> impl, 40, 50?
00:42 < impl> ?
00:42 < archtech> The only thing this says is coincidentally Haskell people like IRC more.
00:43 < archtech> impl, when I said the more popular a platform is, I didn't mean on IRC.
00:43 < archtech> Counting people in IRC is a poor metric.
00:44 < impl> Sure, but so what?
00:44 < archtech> So.. nothing, what's your point :P?
00:44 < impl> Your claim is based on some sort of non-scientific analysis too.
00:44 < impl> who knows what the confounding factors are?
00:44 < archtech> It's like social clubs.
00:45 < archtech> And in fact like social sites.
00:45 < archtech> Cool people move in, the place gets popular.
00:45 < archtech> Less cool people hear about it and all want in. Cool people get out.
00:45 < archtech> And the place becomes mediocre.
00:45 < archtech> *shrug*
00:45 < archtech> :)
00:45 < impl> I don't think there were ever cool people in PHP.
00:45 < archtech> Haha.
00:46 < archtech> Maybe you're onto something there :P
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03:42 < MugeSo> Huomenta
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05:35 < Jarda> huomenta
05:36 < Jarda> have any of you had issues with eclipse galileos exclude-path?
05:36 < Jarda> I have put app/cache/config to exclude, and eclipse still suggests completions from there..
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05:40 < simoncpu> hello
05:41 < simoncpu> when manually setting the cookie name in agavi,
05:41 < simoncpu> my browser sometimes sends two cookies
05:41 < simoncpu> if the user fails to log out
05:52 < simoncpu> aha!
05:52 < simoncpu> agavi sets a cookie with the same name,
05:52 < simoncpu> but different path
05:52  * simoncpu reads the session storage class
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05:59 < Jarda> digitarald: here?
06:00 < simoncpu> w00t
06:00 < simoncpu> i think i've solved my problem by explicitly setting the cookie path to /
06:00  * simoncpu hopes this solves the problem
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06:43 < MikeSeth> hay guise
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06:51 < simoncpu> oh hai
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07:35 < sth> Morning
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07:37 < graste_> huomenta
07:37 < sth> Morning graste_ 
07:38 < graste_> stilll in germany? ^^
07:38 < graste_> -l
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07:42 < _cheerios> huomenta
07:44 < graste_> hi
07:44 < sth> graste_: yup
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08:02 < horros> Huomenta.
08:15 < codecop> huomenta
08:23 < E_mE> huomenta!
08:24 < sth> Happy Birthday E_mE 
08:24 < E_mE> Ah thanks sth :) I keep forgetting
08:24 < sth> heh
08:30 < Jarda> i'm doing an ajax-request with mootools, it encodes my 'ä' to &Atilde;&curren;
08:30 < Jarda> seems that mootools doesn't understand that the response is utf-8
08:31 < Jarda> firebug says that the requests response headers contain:
08:31 < Jarda> Transfer-Encoding	
08:31 < Jarda> chunked
08:31 < Jarda> Content-Type	
08:31 < Jarda> text/html; charset=UTF-8
08:41 < CIA-65> kirila * r4210 /trunk/test/tests/unit/util/AgaviAttributeHolderTest.php: 100% coverage tests on AgaviAttributeHolder
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08:45 < horros> Oh yeah. Top Gear.
08:51 < sth> ssshh
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09:09 < MugeSo> How can I test my routing callback class?
09:09 < MugeSo> Is there  RoutingCallbackTestCase class or someone developping it?
09:10 < graste_> or you just write some log messages :)
09:11 < graste_> ask Xylakant to get a  routingcallbacktestcase if there's none :D
09:12 < Xylakant> mugeso: there's none
09:12 < Xylakant> would we need one?
09:12 < MugeSo> :(
09:12 < MikeSeth> yall who play l4d
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09:12 < MikeSeth> GET LOGITECH L9 MOUSE
09:12 < MikeSeth> DO IT
09:12 < sth> L4D is for suckers :)
09:12 < MikeSeth> no u
09:13 < sth> 3heh
09:15 < MugeSo> ok I'll create routigncallbacktestcase.
09:16 < MugeSo> then, which is better that extends AgaviFragmentTestCase or AgaviUnitTestCase ?
09:18 < Xylakant> MugeSo: Why do we need a routingcallbacktestcase?
09:18 < Xylakant> can't you use the regular AgaviUnitTestcase for that?
09:23 < MugeSo> because all routingcallbacktest are very formulaic.
09:25 < MugeSo> but, as you say, i can do it using the regular one :$
09:29 < MugeSo> Xylakant: ahh, I was too serious :( I'll just do as you say. Thanks
09:43 < simoncpu> houmenta
09:43 < simoncpu> does the Form Population automatically prefill dynamically generated drop down boxes?
09:44 < simoncpu> the form is manipulated after the form is rendered, right?
09:45 < Xylakant> simoncpu: the fpf is the last thing to happen on a standard request, so it manipulates the form after the form has been rendered
09:45 < simoncpu> coooooool
09:45 < Xylakant> and the fpf will not generate the options for dynamically generated drop down boxes
09:45 < Xylakant> it can't
09:45 < simoncpu> but if it has already been generated,
09:45 < simoncpu> can it pre-select it?
09:46 < Xylakant> certainly
09:46 < simoncpu> cool
09:46 < Xylakant> there's no difference to a static drop down as far as the fpf is concerned
09:47 < simoncpu> yepp yepp
09:47 < simoncpu> as long as the document is a valid xml doc
09:49 < _cheerios> hmm, somethings changed with json_decode between php526 529?
09:49 < MikeSeth> no, why?
09:49 < MikeSeth> not as far as I know anyway
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09:58 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, var_dump(json_decode("", true)); I get a string back in 5.2.6, in 5.2.9 i get NULL
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09:59  * MikeSeth shrugs
09:59 < MikeSeth> anyone has a clever way to inject Agavi-generated values (e.g. gen()'d routes) into javascript?
10:01 < E_mE> personally i use inline Javascript variables:
10:01 < E_mE> so have my functions/classes etc in a seprate file
10:01 < E_mE> then declare:  var myblah = <?php echo $ro->gen('cat.are.cool'); ?>
10:01 < E_mE> t;
10:01 < E_mE> damn it
10:01 < E_mE> var myblah = <?php echo $ro->gen('cat.are.cool'); ?>;
10:01 < E_mE> then in my JS files, reference myblah
10:02 < MikeSeth> so basically you do bindings the same way i do
10:02 < MikeSeth> heh
10:02 < E_mE> guess you could generate JS variable files or so?
10:02 < E_mE> but that could be time consuming
10:02 < codecop> yes i am generating js from agavi 
10:03 < codecop> that is slower
10:03 < codecop> ..
10:03 < codecop> cached js ~288-300ms and mootools standart js ~130ms
10:03 < codecop> depends on size
10:05 < _cheerios> MikeSeth,  var_dump(json_decode('""', true)); // this works... i guess they're just being more anal now o_O
10:10 < horros> Brilliant Top Gear :)
10:11 < sth> Quiet
10:12 < sth> We've not watched it yet
10:20 < horros> See, as opposed to you, I'm not a complete bastard, and it wouldn't cross my mind to ruin someone's Top Gear episode.
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10:42 < _cheerios> this json_decode() issue doesn't make much sense. json_encode encodes "" to "". found some internals discussion on json spec technicalities, but *shrug*
10:43 < Xylakant> _cheerios: I did have the same problem
10:43 < _cheerios> ah, no, json_encode does encode to """" -- should've vardumped
10:44 < Xylakant> it's a pita, they don't follow the spec for jsone
10:44 < Xylakant> json_encode
10:44 < Xylakant> so they have to violate the spec for decode as well
10:44 < Xylakant> and now json_decode decodes invalid json
10:44 < Xylakant> narf
10:47 < _cheerios> json_decode((string) $c) becomes json_decode(sprintf('"%s"', (string) $c)) x_X
10:49 < _cheerios> given how much time goes into the type hinting/casting discussion, making it "PHP-like", things like this... I don't understand
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10:52 < simoncpu> huomenta
10:52 < simoncpu> how can i manually set the action's view?
10:52 < simoncpu> i.e., if i do return "Success" from IndexAction,
10:53 < simoncpu> IndexSuccessView is used; how can i use SomethingSuccessView instead?
10:54 < _cheerios> iirc, return array("Something", "Success)
10:54 < Jarda> no
10:54 < Jarda> the first item is module iirc
10:55 < Jarda> array('Module', 'SomethingSuccess') could work
10:55 < simoncpu> so i guess i'll just use that action's view and redirect it 
10:56 < simoncpu> hmmm
10:56 < simoncpu> lemme check
10:58 < simoncpu> Could not find file for View "SomethingSuccess" in module "Module"
10:58  * simoncpu tries specifying the subfolder
10:58 < Jarda> yeah, 'Subfolder/SomethingSuccess
11:01 < simoncpu> cool, it works
11:01 < simoncpu> thanks!!!
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11:57 < simoncpu> is there a facility in agavi to determine if the current site is using http or https?
12:04 < Xylakant> simoncpu: we don't recommend using a view from a different module
12:04 < Xylakant> it hides interdependencies
12:07 < simoncpu> i'm currently using agavi to create a ui that changes the web server and ip address of the machine
12:07 < simoncpu> when the ip address is changed, i need to redirect the user to the new IP address
12:08 < simoncpu> but i don't know whether to redirect using http or https
12:08 < simoncpu> the view's module is still the same
12:09 < Xylakant> I was referring to your question above
12:09 < simoncpu> ah.....
12:09 < Xylakant> we don't recommend using another actions view either
12:09 < simoncpu> i see...
12:09 < MikeSeth> ahh doctrine migrations.. are so awesome
12:10 < Xylakant> if action B uses a view from action A you always have to remember that
12:10 < Xylakant> there's no hint in the naming scheme etc
12:10 < simoncpu> btw, i've just used the action's view to redirect the user to the correct page
12:11 < Xylakant> that's the better way to solve it
12:11 < simoncpu> i find out that the URL doesn't change when using a different view 
12:11 < simoncpu> *found
12:11 < simoncpu> yepp yepp
12:11 < Xylakant> anyways
12:11 < Xylakant> you can use Request::isHttps() to check for https requests
12:11 < simoncpu> cooool
12:12 < simoncpu> Request is accessible inside AgaviView, right?
12:12 < Xylakant> however you can also use Routing::gen('routename', array(parameters), array('relative' => 'false')) to generate an absolute url
12:12 < Xylakant> it will generate an https link if the incoming request was https as well
12:13 < Xylakant> you can also pass a relative url to Response::setRedirect() and it will prepend the proper protocol, hostname and base
12:14 < Xylakant> Access to the request object is given through View::getContext()->getRequest();
12:14 < simoncpu> nice... the second solution is the one that i need
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12:47 < sth> heh
12:47 < BasementCat> wer is teh ceiling cat?
12:47 < BasementCat> i iz declares wars!!!!111!
12:47 < sth> I want to pack as many scifi refs in to my app as possible
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12:47 < Guest33163> waaaah
12:47 < Guest33163> freenode doesn't want me to become teh BasementCat
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12:48 < simoncpu> reminds me... i'm hungry right now
12:48 < simoncpu> i'll eat a (real) cheese burger
12:48 < simoncpu> brb
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16:22 < _cheerios> "This release marks the end of maintenance for Agavi 0.11.x, as previously announced." --- nooo. i finally have to upgrade :<
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17:17 < erisco> good afternoon everyone
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19:03 < sth> Hai
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19:51 < Jarda> I would like to be able to share a search result, should I do something like foo/search/share?bar=baz&quux=barbaz
19:51 < Jarda> or do the whole search with get?
19:52 < v-dogg> get is the easiest way
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19:53 < v-dogg> someone has also redirected to a /search/this/and/that -kinda route
19:53 < v-dogg> but imo that's not wise
19:54 < v-dogg> but. bed tiem ->
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19:59 < impl> Freenode is such a fucking piece of shit worthless network
19:59 < impl> Incompetent fucks.
20:01 < _cheerios> theyve had their fair share of problems recently, idd
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23:30 < E_mE> can i load more the one routing.xml from separate directories to create a collated routing table?
23:31 < E_mE> i know i have to use AgaviRouting::loadConfig()
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00:56 < E_mE> Wooohooooo!!! managed to get agavi to load multiple routing.xml files from separate locations. EPIC WIN!
00:57 < E_mE> they now merge and build a full routing table, allowing for custom modules to manage the own routing tables and enabling and disabling routes as modules become active/disactive!
00:57 < E_mE> okay now time for bed me thinks, i thinks this should be bloggy worthy
00:57 < E_mE> and agavi makes it easy as piss :)
00:58 < E_mE> well not easy as piss, but damn right smooooooth!
00:58 < E_mE> just needs hair wax
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01:03 < impl> E_mE: I'd like to see how you've done that, so please do blog it :>
01:03 < E_mE> ill pastebin if you like impl ?
01:03 < E_mE> the config_handlers gave me bit of a pickle
01:04 < E_mE> but i made minor errors with the plurals 
01:04 < impl> sure
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04:03 < horros> Huomenta.
04:06 < MugeSo> Huomenta
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04:44 < simoncpu> huomenta
04:44 < simoncpu> is it possible to control where fpf would insert its error messages?
04:44 < simoncpu> you see i have an IPv4 address field which consists of a text box and drop down box
04:45 < simoncpu> i need to insert the messages below those two elements
04:45 < simoncpu> instead of below the textbox
05:01 < MugeSo> simoncpu: use error_messages, field_error_messages or multi_field_error_messages parameter
05:06 < simoncpu> thanks
05:07 < MugeSo> multi_field_error_messages is for checkbox or radiobox, filed_error_messages is for other fileds. error_messages is used for errors not related to any field. error_messages is also used if field_error_messages or multi_filed_error_messages is not set.
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05:53 < simoncpu> aha!
05:53 < simoncpu> so i need to write my own rule, right?
05:54 < Jarda> http://blog.veikko.fi/post/75101068/agavi-tip-automatic-output-of-validation-errors
05:55 < Jarda> and
05:55 < Jarda> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/config/global_filters.xml
05:56 < simoncpu> cool
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07:28 < graste_> huomenta
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07:39 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:16 < Riddler> hallo i have a problem with an regex! Can someone tell me whats wrong? I want to search for all double <br /> in an text file. my regex => <%TAG%[^>]*>
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08:31 < E_mE> huomwnr
08:31 < E_mE> huomenta, .. irc sleepy fingers
08:35 < sth> Morning
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08:42 < graste_> @Riddler: tbh parsing HTML with regexps is not the best idea - you should use a HTML/XML parser (perhaps using tidy --clean before)
08:49 < Riddler> graste_ the server i have to use is in php 4
08:51 < Riddler> fuck i have no idea how to parse the fucking TXT
08:51 < Riddler> this ist my txt http://pastebin.com/d20b0781b
08:52 < Riddler> and i want to parse every double <br /><br /> because this is a new Message
08:54 < graste_> well in that case you could try something like /<br />\s*<br />/ with a multiline regexp
08:55 < graste_> something simple like that
08:56 < graste_> text: /<br />\s{1}<br />/m
08:56 < graste_> you get the point
08:56 < Riddler> preg_match_all("/<br />\s{1}<br />/m",$file,$arrResult);?
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09:06 < MikeSeth> Riddler: its because of / and \
09:06 < MikeSeth> do this
09:06 < MikeSeth> preg_match_all('#<br />\s{1}<br />#m', ...
09:06 < MikeSeth> (this is also not really a correct way
09:07 < graste_> yeah forgot the \/
09:07 < MikeSeth> Riddler: first, if you use the / delimiter, then br /> would be interpreted as end of regexp
09:07 < MikeSeth> which is why you use #
09:07 < MikeSeth> or some other char
09:08 < Riddler> ok
09:09 < Riddler> but the pattern found nothing :(
09:09 < MikeSeth> besides you could probably do the whole thing with preg_replace
09:09 < Riddler> but i want to count the results
09:12 < MikeSeth> <?php
09:12 < MikeSeth> $txt = file_get_contents('foo');
09:12 < MikeSeth> preg_match_all('#<br\s*/>#m', $txt, $m);
09:12 < MikeSeth> var_dump($m);
09:12 < MikeSeth> (foo is your file)
09:13 < MikeSeth> for double <br>s: 
09:13 < MikeSeth> preg_match_all('#<br\s*/>\s<br\s*/>#m', $txt, $m);
09:13 < graste_> :)
09:14 < graste_> "Some people, when confronted with a problem, think “I know, I'll use regular expressions.” Now they have two problems." -- Jamie Zawinski
09:14 < graste_> "Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can." --Jamie Zawinski
09:14 < graste_> :P
09:15 < MikeSeth> i can summarize the whole gamma of responses i have to that with one word
09:15 < MikeSeth> "emacs"
09:16 < ttj> Let's not curse in here. :/
09:24 < Riddler> thx works :)
09:24 < Riddler> In german we would say "Schwere Geburt". :)
09:25 < Riddler> severe birth in english ;)
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09:50 < simoncpu> hi
09:51 < simoncpu> when i group two or more validators using class="and"
09:51 < simoncpu> and specify a single error message for the validators,
09:51 < simoncpu> the error messages are displayed on top of the form
09:51 < simoncpu> what gives?
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10:14 < _cheerios> looking at my orm again today. i understand why i dropped it a year back. programmed myself into a paperbag full of barbed-wire x_X
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10:57 < E_mE> sth: nudge .. you about? 
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11:02 < sth> Yeah
11:02 < sth> E_mE: pong!
11:02 < sth> Quickly man, it's lunch time.
11:02 < E_mE> do you attending German lessons or so on a part time basis?
11:03 < E_mE> Attend*
11:03 < sth> Not yet, but I need to
11:03 < E_mE> would you know how much per term/semester is costs?
11:04 < sth> I'm going to book my self into an intensive course for a month during september
11:04 < E_mE> man ive not slept enough
11:04 < E_mE> s/is/it/
11:04 < sth> They range from 450€ to about 700€
11:04 < E_mE> per term?
11:04 < E_mE> or year
11:04 < sth> For a course
11:04 < E_mE> ah okay cool :) thank you ::Thumbs up::
11:04 < E_mE> enjoy lunch ;)
11:05 < _cheerios> E_mE, you dreaming of germany?
11:05 < sth> A course lasts for a month
11:05 < saracen> sth: Don't give in, just tell everybody to learn English
11:05 < E_mE> irc one month for a minimum of €450 :o
11:05 < sth> Coming to Munich?
11:05 < sth> saracen: haha
11:06 < E_mE> no no, there are plans in 2-3 years time to move to Germany
11:06 < saracen> You're not really british if you don't have that attitude :)
11:06 < E_mE> and its more my GF who is the one who needs to learn
11:06 < E_mE> saracen: hahaha
11:06 < saracen> ENGLISH. DO YOU SPEAK IT, MOTHERFUCKER?
11:06 < saracen> That's the only thing you need to learn to say in german
11:07 < E_mE> saracen: point and speak louder, if that doesn't work smash the place up with the confidence that you tried your best ;) Thats the english way hoho
11:07 < sth> E_mE: http://www.dkfa.de/english/Program/Language-Courses/Intensive-Courses
11:07 < sth> This is for Munich
11:07 < saracen> lol E_mE 
11:07 < E_mE> thank you sth, thats a great help :)
11:08 < sth> That site is ran by the local university here
11:08 < sth> I like the recursion on the site
11:09 < E_mE> you helped develop it?
11:09 < sth> Click on any of the course links -- you know the ones that are for the German courses -- You end up on a German PDF :P
11:09 < sth> Nope
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11:48 < _cheerios> i so want to strangle the kid blowing a whistle somewhere outdoors :<
12:02 < sth> I used to have a water gun for that purpose
12:02 < E_mE> air rifle sounds bit of a more permi
12:02 < E_mE> solution
12:11 < Wombert> [13:06] saracen: ENGLISH. DO YOU SPEAK IT, MOTHERFUCKER?
12:11 < Wombert> you know that fonts vid?
12:12 < sth> http://encyclopediadramatica.com/ENGLISH_MOTHERFUCKER_DO_YOU_SPEAK_IT
12:14 < Wombert> sth and saracen: http://blog.wombert.de/post/150804955/pulp-fiction-in-typography
12:15 < graste_> :)
12:31 < ttj> Wow. Ze Germans are cool. Apparently they make quite decent and affordable bikes.
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12:32 < simoncpu> sth i uploaded the official microsoft salut at ED
12:32 < simoncpu> hahaha
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12:48 < sth> still makes me laugh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuYkH60w4Ns
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12:51 < Seldaek> hah sth great
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14:57 < CIA-65> kirila * r4211 /trunk/test/tests/unit/util/AgaviParameterHolderTest.php: Improved tests with integer index and reference coverage
14:58 < MikeSeth> GO GO INTERNS
15:03 < Xylakant> haha
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15:11 < sth> MikeSeth: Interns get a bad deal here, we're forced to fetch coffee, we don't have desks and chairs, we sit cross legged in a corner with only bread for lunch.
15:11 < sth> We get 56k dialup internet
15:11 < MikeSeth> THAT'S your complaint?
15:12 < sth> Yeah
15:12 < MikeSeth> in my shop you get assrape for eval()
15:12 < sth> Darko is burning news papers for heating...
15:13 < MikeSeth> kids these days
15:13 < MikeSeth> i used to program PDP11 in OCTAL with pencil and paper
15:15 < digitarald> Huomenta
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15:22 < sth> Wombert made me use emacs' C-x M-c M-butterfly to code a class :/
15:22 < sth> No get the reference :D
15:22 < sth> now*
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15:24 < Wombert> I do
15:24 < Wombert> <:
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15:34 < Xylakant> i do
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15:51 < CIA-65> ow
15:51 < impl> wtf
15:52 < sth> wtf
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16:00 < Xylakant> hmm?
16:00 < impl> it ow'd.
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16:12 < CIA-65> ow
16:12 < sth> ...
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16:16 < Xylakant> it always ows
16:17 < Xylakant> it still does not show the commits
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16:25 < impl> lol
16:25 < impl> Xylakant: how's the testing stuff going, anyway?
16:26 < Xylakant> I'm using it in projects
16:26 < Xylakant> so it's improving. slowly but steady
16:26 < impl> awesome :D I didn't realize it was production-ready
16:26 < impl> or at least close to it
16:28 < Xylakant> well, there's still some kinks to iron out
16:28 < Xylakant> I would maybe call it alpha 
16:29 < impl> nice :>
16:29 < impl> do we have an actual intended release date for 1.1?
16:32 < Xylakant> no
16:32 < impl> ohkay :>
16:32 < impl> (sorry, I have been out of the loop :x)
16:33 < Xylakant> np
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17:14 < sth> Quote of the day: 
17:14 < sth> 18:08 < SeoBob> pastebin sucks
17:14 < sth> 18:08 < SeoBob> shows everyone my code
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18:59 < digitarald> mh, that new article on ibm doesn't use Doctrine to its full potential
19:00 < _cheerios> link?
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19:00 < digitarald> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-agavipt2/
19:01 < digitarald> why does he insert all mock-up data with queries ... he could use data fixtures
19:03 < _cheerios> why does it take him 20 pages of code to create 1 page of HTML? :)
19:13 < graste> not bad this series of articles though (I hope)
19:14 < graste> I don't like that he uses doctrine in his action without creating/using an agavi model for it - but perhaps he wants to show this in a later article ;)
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21:38 < _cheerios> i'm nevr doing an orm again after i finish this one x_X
21:43 < sth> lol
21:46 < saracen> got my iphone today sth :)
21:48 < sth> Good
21:48 < saracen> What apps you got? :P
21:50 < sth> Byline, Tweetie, Skype, Fahrplan, Facebook, Flightcontrol, Air sharing, columns DLX, remote & München
21:51 < sth> Wombert is the app king
21:51 < sth> He has loads on his iPhone
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21:51 < saracen> Did you pay for them, or is there a free way? :P
21:52 < sth> There is a free way, but I paid for my apps
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04:47 < Jarda> an error in the ibm-developer application
04:48 < Jarda> he's using <link href="/css/default.css" which fails if the application is not in /
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04:55 < Jarda> oh, and I don't like the way he's using routing
05:00 < Jarda> uhh, and data retrieval with doctrine straight from the views executeHtml()..
05:01 < Jarda> I understand that one has to simplify when making an "introduction", but one should not make things completely wrong :)
05:40 < macen> uhm, hi
05:40 < macen> Wombert :o
05:40 < macen> HE HAS JAILBROKEN
05:41 < macen> i for one forgive Wombert, because they were restricting using iPhone 3G as an internet connection on laptop
05:41 < macen> but now you can pay for it
05:42 < macen> despite Wombert possibly going to jail, I was wondering whether or not Agavi could be used to call from different branches based on user access level
05:43 < macen> eg.
05:43 < macen> I make something I think is fantastic
05:44 < macen> and the decision makers are very, very busy
05:44 < macen> and do not have time to be looking at preview Web sites (which they do not trust anyway...don't ask why I never get an answer"
05:44 < macen> )
05:44 < macen> so for example, there is a slow which currently says "Welcome Back, user"
05:45 < macen> but it could say "Recent Activity, there was a new news post, a new distributor in Ireland, " etc
05:45 < macen> now the decision makers are informed when a stable release is ready for viewing
05:45 < macen> via email with a changelod
05:45 < macen> log
05:46 < macen> they are asking to kindly visit their web site and make sure they like everything then tick a box
05:46 < macen> however, could i display a slot, from a different branch of the same project.......
05:46 < macen> and how messy would that be
05:47 < macen> this would be uber cool 2.0 methins
05:47 < macen> ks
05:47 < macen> or, i'm missing something stupidly obvious that will look like hell on earth in my code and I'll probably ask again in a year or so...
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06:43 < Jarda> how should I make agavi to automatically login an user when in "testing" env?
06:44 < Jarda> well, I of course could do an test to test login, which then initializes the user...
06:44 < Jarda> :D
07:00 < hzilla> hello. how can i specify the view to redirect to from a validate() in an action? it redirects to the error page which for a form is the input page
07:01 < Jarda> why from validate?
07:01 < Jarda> you can return false and in handleError return the view you want?
07:02 < hzilla> ok i see
07:02 < hzilla> thanks
07:02 < Jarda> np
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07:09 < Rozza> Huomenta
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07:19 < _cheerios> huomenta
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07:29 < horros> Huomentyawn
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07:30 < Jarda> grah
07:33 < Jarda> how can I access $_SERVER -variable from within agavi?
07:35 < graste_> huomenta
07:36 < graste_> directly
07:36 < graste_> see bottom of the faq entry: http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#general_11 
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07:37 < Jarda> well, can't do that because of different contexts..
07:37 < Jarda> well, maybe I just do something like $foo = isset($_SERVER) ?
07:37 < graste_> ?
07:37 < Jarda> $_SERVER is not set when using phpunit
07:42 < _cheerios> time to morning jog some sense into the body x_X
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08:03 < sth> ugh, it's getting quite hard to get to work at a reasonable time
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08:22 < _cheerios> jog felt good. now i can bang my head finishing up ze orm x_X
08:26 < ttj> I should go for a jog today, but unfortunately don't think I have the time. :(
08:27 < ttj> Maybe tomorrow and Friday, since the weekend is also already booked for travelling.
08:29 < _cheerios> as long as it aint raining im goin' every day this week
08:34 < ttj> Oh, someone got bitten by the bug?-)
08:36 < ttj> I've been drooling at roadbikes (e.g. http://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=844).
08:36 < ttj> Will have to wait until winter, though, to see if I can snatch one at a hefty discount during the off-season sale.
08:39 < _cheerios> looks ace
08:49 < Jarda> how can I manually set the session_id for sessionstorage
08:49 < Jarda> (for phpunit-testing..)
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08:52 < MikeSeth> Jarda: as parameter in factories in testing envo
08:53 < Jarda> ok, thanks
09:09 < Jarda> <ae:parameter name="session_id">sdjfklasjdfklajskldfjklö</ae:parameter> doesn't work
09:09 < _cheerios> http://php.net/~derick/meeting-notes.html#named-parameters :(
09:10 < Jarda> I'm using AgaviPdoSessionStorage
09:10 < Jarda> if I manually give the session_id the session doesn't get saved into db at all
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09:22 < MikeSeth> ummm
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09:22 < MikeSeth> it's session_name
09:22 < MikeSeth> not session_id
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09:51 < Jarda> but I want to set session_id, not name..
09:56 < Xylakant> Jarda: why would you want to set the session id?
09:59 < Jarda> Xylakant: we use Pdo to store our sessions, and then access the session data in our User-class. For some very strange reason when trying to fetch information via propel using session_id() as primary key it fetches nothign
10:00 < Jarda> if giving the session_id as a fixed "asdfasf" string to propel it fetches it right
10:00 < Jarda> and this is only when using phpunit, everything works great when using web-context
10:00 < Jarda> (I'm trying to write a login-test)
10:03 < Jarda> I'll try to use vanilla pdo now..
10:04 < Xylakant> why would you want to access the database in your login test anyways?
10:04 < Jarda> because our login()-method does that
10:04 < Jarda> $user->login() I mean
10:05 < Xylakant> yes
10:05 < Xylakant> but where does the session id come in?
10:06 < Jarda> when we add content to the session-table
10:06 < Xylakant> wait
10:06 < Jarda> (I haven't done the login-manager, don't blame me) :)
10:06 < Xylakant> you're writing directly to the session table?
10:06 < Jarda> yes
10:07 < Xylakant> örks
10:07 < Jarda> there are columns that are not used by sessionstorage
10:07 < Xylakant> why that?
10:07 < Jarda> ask v-dogg :)
10:07 < Jarda> I guess it's for better management of sessions
10:07 < Jarda> (license stuff etc)
10:08 < Xylakant> right
10:08 < Xylakant> I'm not going to ask why you're not using User-Attributes for that
10:09 < Xylakant> there's one major problem with that: now you're tied to an sql session storage and can't swap that out
10:10 < Jarda> I guess we need to check, that only one person per account can be logged in simultaneously
10:11 < Jarda> (or lets say five accounts per company)
10:11 < Xylakant> right
10:14 < Xylakant> the session storage should accept the a parameter named session_id to set a static session id
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10:15 < Jarda>  <ae:parameter name="session_id">sdjfklasjdfklajskldfjklö</ae:parameter>
10:15 < Jarda> this is what i tried
10:15 < Xylakant> 		<storage class="AgaviSessionStorage">
10:15 < Xylakant> 			<ae:parameters>
10:15 < Xylakant> 				<ae:parameter name="session_id">foobarbaz</ae:parameter>
10:15 < Xylakant> 			</ae:parameters>
10:15 < Xylakant> 		</storage>
10:16 < Xylakant> can you post your whole factories.xml somewhere?
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10:20 < saracen> I had to give a presentation yesterday for some stuff which uses agavi - there was no errors!
10:20 < Xylakant> nice
10:21 < flungabunga> hey all, know where I could find a decent online resource for using the routing.xml in v1.0.1?
10:24 < Jarda> Xylakant: now I got it.. when trying to login straight from phpunit, the session isn't saved before it
10:25 < Jarda> that's why it is not in the db..
10:25 < Jarda> but gets saved when phpunit fails..
10:26 < Jarda> so I thought it would have been in the db, when it wasn't
10:26 < Jarda> now I need a way to save the session before I call ->login()
10:29 < Xylakant> hmm
10:30 < Xylakant> in general your problem is that the session will not be stored before the request finishes
10:30 < Xylakant> it's pretty much the last thing that happens
10:31 < Jarda> $context->getStorage->shutdown()
10:32 < Jarda> in my tests setUp()
10:32 < Jarda> at least it works..
10:32 < Xylakant> yes, but the you need to start the storage again
10:32 < v-dogg> usage of pdo storage and manipulating session directly enables us to (a) see how's logged in and (b) kick people out either per username but also by customer id 
10:33 < Jarda> Xylakant: no, it works without calling startup)=
10:33 < Xylakant> yes, in that case that may be true
10:34 < Xylakant> it might not work with other storages
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10:35 < Jarda> yeah, thanks for your help, (at least you did make my brain work..)
10:35 < Jarda> now my logintest works
10:36 < Jarda> next up model-testing..
10:42 < saracen> I've been robbed
10:43 < saracen> I topped 10 pound on both me new SIM and my old SIM yesterday. Then did the o2 number transfer
10:43 < saracen> It didnt merge the credits =(
10:44 < Xylakant> why did you top up your old sim in the first place?
10:48 < saracen> Well, they transferred that credit. Thats not the one thats disappeared =(
10:49 < saracen> I didnt plan on topping up mind you, I had to to listen to a voicemail from my boss
10:49 < sth> Why did you top up either sim!?
10:49 < saracen> Well, it says the credit gets transferred.
10:49 < saracen> I thought it would be transferred and merged, how fucking hard can it be.
10:50 < saracen> I topped up the new SIM because it asks you to do so to activate it, which I thought you still needed to do in order to transfer the number over. But now I'm guessing not.
10:51 < saracen> I still think it's logical to do so though, I only feel like an idiot because there transfer system is stupid. So, I'm going to keep telling myself I'm now.
10:51 < saracen> not*
10:51 < saracen> bah
10:51 < saracen> if ( newSimCredit ) credit = newSimCredit + oldSimCredit; How hard is that!
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10:53 < sth> It's O2 UK, they suck
10:53 < saracen> they transferred my bolt ons to, so I had to reselect the wifi one
10:53 < saracen> Hoping they dont charge me ;x
10:54 < sth> Phone them
10:54 < sth> Explain everything to the letter
10:54 < saracen> To an indian. NO!
10:54 < sth> They're quite good at screwing everything up
10:54 < sth> O2 doesn't have indian call centres
10:54 < sth> They're Scottish iirc
10:55 < saracen> No, but UK call centres have indians
10:55 < sth> So?
10:56 < Jarda> context should be static, yes?
10:56 < saracen> why should it be?
10:56 < Jarda> if I run a login-test first, then on my other test suites, context should have a logged in customer?
10:56 < Jarda> well it is according to code.. public static getInstance..
10:57 < saracen> Thats a static method
10:57 < Jarda> which returns an item of a static array
10:57 < sth> Yikees!
10:57 < sth> My macbook is dirty
10:59 < saracen> Jarda: Are you wanting to store the context as part of one of your own classes?
10:59 < Jarda> no, I want to do unit testing..
11:01 < saracen> Never looked in to it, =(
11:02 < saracen> But if it's anything like the rest of agavi and when you use the context
11:02 < saracen> You dont have to store it anywhere statically
11:02 < saracen> Only the AgaviContext class needs to do that, because it's a singleton design patttern
11:02 < saracen> pattern*
11:03 < Jarda> yeah, that's why I think it's strange that after context->user gets authenticated it isn't anymore after the test..
11:03 < Xylakant> Jarda: All tests are run in isolation, at least by default
11:03 < Jarda> Xylakant: ok, context getting reseted?
11:03 < Xylakant> each test gets a completely fresh environment
11:04 < Xylakant> no test should depend on what another test did
11:04 < Xylakant> if you need a logged in user for each test do it in setUp()
11:04 < Jarda> yeah, have to do that..
11:04 < Xylakant> that's called before each test
11:05 < Jarda> thanks
11:06 < Jarda> well, this makes perfect sense now when I think about it
11:06 < Jarda> (I'm a total newbie when it comes to testing..)
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11:26 < saracen> Yay. They've topped up my credit, and apparently sent me an email (the text saying they have came through, but the email hasnt)
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12:27 < sth> Oh arse. I didn't fix my routing issue before I went to lunch
12:28 < MikeSeth> TEN HOSE TREATMENTS
12:29 < _cheerios> :)
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12:29 < Jarda> unit testing is a bitch when dealing with db-related models
12:30 < Jarda> whenever doing a insert/update I have to revert that..
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12:34 < MikeSeth> Jarda: cheat! :P
12:34 < MikeSeth> Jarda: set up your test table values in a transaction, then just roll it back
12:34 < MikeSeth> or use fixtrues
12:34 < MikeSeth> doctrine ones are nice :D
12:35 < Jarda> well, maybe the easist would be to do $pdo->exec('DROP DATABASE foo'); and exec('pgdump..');
12:35 < Jarda> in beginning of AllTests.php :)
12:35 < sth> Turd.
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12:51 < Seldaek> mhh framework shootout at zendcon, I hope we'll see blood :p
12:52 < graste_> easy win for agavi
12:53 < sth> If anyone is going, take small soft objects to throw at David
12:55 < saracen> soft?
12:56 < saracen> psht
12:56 < graste_> like cotton swabs?
12:57 < sth> Like foam balls and etc
12:57 < sth> saracen: He'll catch starburst like a seal catches fish if you throw them
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14:37 < Xylakant> uh.
14:38 < Xylakant> never do "find in project 'return false'" -> "replace all by 'return true'"
14:38 < Xylakant> if all you want is to replace all instances in the open file
14:38 < sth> Then don't press the shift key when you press command+f
14:39 < Xylakant> well, caps lock was on
14:39 < Xylakant> darn
14:39  * Xylakant praises svn revert
14:39 < sth> caps lock doesn't affect the command+f command
14:43 < saracen> Maybe he was pressing shift because it was on and he wanted a lowercase character :)
14:44 < Xylakant> yeah, well I guess something like that
14:44 < Xylakant> anyways, it takes an awful lot of time
14:44 < sth> That doesn't work on a mac
14:44 < sth> once caps lock is on, shift doesn't convert to lower case
14:46 < Xylakant> which is a little weird
14:47 < sth> uhhh, why didn't I think of this earlier? I need to phone barclay card and have them convert my Limey creditcard into a Kraut one.
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15:04 < simoncpu> huomenta
15:04 < simoncpu> i have two submit buttons in my form: Back and Next
15:04 < simoncpu> is it possiblew to disable validation whenever the user clicks "Back"?
15:04 < simoncpu> *possible
15:04 < saracen> Why would you want to?
15:06 < simoncpu> because i'm writing a wizard ui... validating the user input whenever the user wants to go back to the previous form doesn't seem to be a good idea
15:06 < sth> Instead of having a button for back, use a link
15:07 < simoncpu> i could use a button + javascript
15:07 < sth> Because you will end up with a user entering all their details and pressing back by accident screwing it all up
15:07 < saracen> It would only validate the existance of "back". If you set up provides/depends for the submit button
15:07 < sth> Because they think the back button is submit
15:07 < simoncpu> ah...
15:08 < simoncpu> setting a "depends" sounds like a good idea
15:08 < simoncpu> lemme try it
15:08  * simoncpu reads the docs
15:08 < sth> I fear for the UX on your app
15:08 < sth> :P
15:09 < saracen> If you wanted to be uber, you'd just validate all input anyway, so then you could temp store the user form if they do hit back, then if they click continue on again, it'd have the values they filled in previously. But this highly depends on the type of form :)
15:11 < simoncpu> that sounds cool, but i'd like it to save the data without validating it
15:11  * simoncpu tries the simplest solution first
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15:16 < simoncpu> yikes... both my back and next button have the same form name
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15:27 < simoncpu> w00t... my form now works
15:28 < simoncpu> last question: i have this validation xml http://simoncpu.pastebin.com/m10c560ac
15:28 < AlphaOmega> I am going thru the agavi tutorial, and i noticed there are sample projects of bloggie, stage1 - stage7.  But there is no php files in any of the pub directories....how am i supposed to see the stage projects?
15:28 < simoncpu> i grouped two validators
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15:28 < simoncpu> but the error messages are not displayed at the bottom of the two elements
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15:32 < Xylakant> AlphaOmega: how about that: http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/step1/getting-a-new-checkout-to-work.html
15:32 < Xylakant> it's explained in the guide
15:37 < AlphaOmega> i thought this was how to copy an existing application
15:37 < AlphaOmega> ok, please explain step 2
15:37 < simoncpu> do you guys have a sample on multi field error messages?
15:37 < AlphaOmega> > Copy and adapt the build script in dev/bin/
15:37 < AlphaOmega> What do i adapt?
15:37 < AlphaOmega> eh no
15:37 < Xylakant> the build script is either agavi.bat-dist for windows
15:37 < AlphaOmega> you didnt understand my question i think
15:37 < Xylakant> or agavi-dist for unix
15:38 < AlphaOmega> i need the files in /pub
15:38 < AlphaOmega> not app/pub/ 
15:38 < AlphaOmega> or dev/pub
15:38 < Xylakant> yes, i do understand
15:38 < Xylakant> and that's the right instructions
15:38 < AlphaOmega> so after this, ill have files in /pub ?
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15:39 < saracen> AlphaOmega: You only ever usually have one file in /pub. 
15:39 < Xylakant> yes
15:39 < Xylakant> saracen: wrong
15:39 < AlphaOmega> ok, so do i do this inside of stage1 folder?
15:39 < Xylakant> i have three or more dispatcher files on a regular basis
15:40 < saracen> Oh, does bloggie give examples of soap and console etc then?
15:40 < AlphaOmega> agavi cmd not found in stage 1
15:40 < Xylakant> no, not yet
15:40 < Xylakant> AlpahOmega: have you been following the guide from the beginning?
15:41 < AlphaOmega> yes
15:41 < AlphaOmega> What i want to do is use stage1
15:41 < AlphaOmega> er
15:41 < AlphaOmega> what is stage1.tgz for?
15:41 < Xylakant> which files to copy is explained in the step before
15:41 < Xylakant> http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/finishing-the-basic-setup.html
15:41 < AlphaOmega> i thought it was supposed to be an example of bloggie at that point
15:41 < Xylakant> yes, it is
15:41 < AlphaOmega> then howcome no index.php in the stage1 pub dir?
15:42 < Xylakant> it's an example of how the contents of your scm would look like if you followed all instructions
15:42 < AlphaOmega> ok,
15:42 < Xylakant> because you're not supposed to have the dispatcher files in scm
15:42 < AlphaOmega> im going to start over, and this time, i will commit the bloggie code to me scm
15:42 < AlphaOmega> my*
15:42 < Xylakant> you can treat the stage1.tgz as if it were an export from your scm
15:43 < Xylakant> anyways
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15:43 < AlphaOmega> hm ok
15:43 < AlphaOmega> thanks for the insight
15:43 < Xylakant> what you need to do is create the agavi executable in dev/bin/agavi
15:43 < Xylakant> so for unix/linux you copy agavi-dist to agavi
15:43 < Xylakant> make the file executable
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15:44 < Xylakant> and fill in the full path to the agavi lib at the top of the file
15:44 < AlphaOmega> so stage1-stage7 is just for looking at, not for using, i should use my bloggie example only
15:44 < Xylakant> you can use them
15:44 < Xylakant> after you created the executable agavi script
15:45 < AlphaOmega> oh i see
15:45 < AlphaOmega> there they are
15:45 < AlphaOmega> ok, i kinda skipped that last step b/c i dont have a new developer i want to copy the project for, so i didnt think i needed it for anything
15:46 < Xylakant> well, it's the same procedure if you create a new working environment for yourself
15:46 < Xylakant> it's not uncommon to have more than one environment for one developer
15:47 < Xylakant> when I'm working with a lot of branches I often have three or more 
15:47 < AlphaOmega> ah gotcha, now i see it, everytime you check out an agavi project for the first time, you have to run "public-create" ?
15:49 < Xylakant> if you're following standard practices, yes
15:49 < AlphaOmega> ok cool, thanks a lot, im just trying to learn agavi for the first time
15:49 < AlphaOmega> so i want to learn the right way
15:49 < Xylakant> the reason is that some files depend on the environment where you want to run agavi
15:49 < AlphaOmega> right, i have other projects in other langs, like python, java
15:50 < AlphaOmega> general rule of thumb, no env specific config files get comitted
15:50 < AlphaOmega> just a template, and agavi tutorial goes over that
15:50 < Xylakant> that's it
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16:01 < Xylakant> AlphaOmega: Theres a tutorial at IBM devworks as well
16:02 < Xylakant> the links are in the blog
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17:06 < _cheerios> the monster... it breathes
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17:21 < sth> Hai
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18:03 < _cheerios> o_O schumacher to race again?
18:04 < sth> yup
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18:25 < nfq> _cheerios: awesome, now we'll see what he's like against Hamilton and Vettel
18:25 < nfq> excited about that
18:26 < digitarald> hey peeps
18:27 < digitarald> Huomenta :)
18:27 < nfq> haha.. hey digitarald 
18:27 < digitarald> I remember a draft of the sevenload technology stack ... anybody has the URL?
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18:32 < sth> digitarald: Find Wombert's old presentations
18:34 < sth> http://www.slideshare.net/Wombert/phplondon-agavi-20080807
18:34 < sth> slie 56
18:34 < digitarald> just found it
18:34 < sth> slide*
18:34 < digitarald> thx
18:34 < sth> That presentation is good because my name is on it
18:34 < digitarald> and an image?
18:35 < digitarald> damn, in German ...
18:36 < digitarald> damn Germans
18:36 < sth> http://blog.thomasbachem.com/2007/05/28/
18:37 < sth> It's easy to figure out
18:37 < sth> http://blog.thomasbachem.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/sevenload_systemarchitektur.png
18:37 < digitarald> ah, great
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18:49 < Jarda> Schumacher \o/
18:50 < sth> :D
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19:16 < digitarald> ok, I have to get this company to agavi!
19:16 < digitarald> so many Java devs that need to see how clean PHP can be
19:16 < sth> digitarald: To help swing it, we now offer support plans
19:17 < digitarald> nice, its a Lausanne/CH based company ... so pretty close
19:17 < sth> Oh, the swiss.. :P
19:17 < digitarald> brb, lunch
19:17 < digitarald> its an international startup, 20% are actually French-Swiss
19:19 < sth> Oh cool
19:19 < sth> Wait, lunch? it's 9pm in .ch
19:19 < digitarald> another office is in SF
19:19 < digitarald> thats where I am right now, overall for 2 months
19:20 < digitarald> San Francisco
19:20 < sth> Ah, cool
19:22 < digitarald> do you have any other architecture documents for agavi?
19:22 < digitarald> something comprehensive?
19:22 < digitarald> ah, lunch ... forgot :D
19:22 < digitarald> brb
19:22 < sth> I'll still be here :)
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19:25 < benschi> houmenta
19:26 < benschi> Jarda: You think Schumacher will win any race at all?
19:31 < sth> I think he will
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19:52 < benschi> sth: would be really nice, but i seriously doubt it
19:52 < benschi> though it'll be nice seeing him race against Vettel :)
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20:05 < Rayne> if i want to write a fancy cli app then i have to load some fancy argv interpreter like pear's console plus or does agavi own a fancy interpreter?
20:06 < sth> Agavi probably stores them in AgaviRequestDataHolder
20:07 < Rayne> but i have to write validators to get that data so i should need an fancy interpreter or are there console interpreters build in? (don't know one)
20:08 < Rayne> you know, fancy paramters like -OmGwTfBbQ lulz
20:08 < sth> unsure
20:15 < digitarald> back
20:15 < digitarald> so ... agavi vs. JSF ... easy fight
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20:21 < Rayne> digitarald, JSF?
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20:25 < digitarald> java
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20:46 < Rendez> hi
20:49 < sth> Hi.
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21:30 < impl> omg
21:30 < impl> who just failed the phing mailing list
21:30 < sth> ?
21:31 < impl> http://cynigram.com/~nfontes/ggphing.png
21:32 < sth> Oh
21:38 < sth> haha < r3d--> does bing have jason api
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22:33 < nfq> yo impl 
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01:46 < E_mE_> impl: what did you think of newswipe?
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02:01 < impl> E_mE_: I only watched the first and the third episode, then fell asleep I think
02:01 < impl> but it was really good
02:02 < E_mE_> :) cool, you should watch rest of the series when you get a chance :)
02:02 < impl> yar, I plan to
02:02 < E_mE_> ive just been busy writing a mini ORM with some simple CRUD functionality :D
02:03 < impl> nice :D
02:03 < E_mE_> i feel that Doctrine seems to hold me back a little, not that it isn;t powerful
02:03 < E_mE_> just it find my self bumping into more hurdles then being surprised by it, if you get my drift
02:04 < E_mE_> so i decided to invest some time into a small ORM which has the power to be extendable :)
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03:58 < erisco> I am still kicking around... just been a bit busy the past couple days
03:58 < erisco> been working on a media player all day
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05:26 < simoncpu> huomenta
05:26 < simoncpu> how can i match an error message to a specific form field?
05:27 < simoncpu> i.e., http://simoncpu.pastebin.com/m4324d7a8
05:30 < Jarda> make multiple validators
05:33 < Jarda> http://codepad.org/FH9QDWNH
05:34 < Jarda> and you can make that also <validator class="isset" provides="fields_set">...</validator> <validator class="string" depends="fields_set">...
05:35 < Jarda> so that only the firsta validator gets run if user hasn't provided all required fieldas
05:35 < simoncpu> ah...
05:35 < simoncpu> so i need to use one validator for one field
05:36 < simoncpu> i mean, for the string validator
05:40 < Jarda> yeah, per field validators
05:42 < simoncpu> oki, here's my new validator
05:42 < simoncpu> http://simoncpu.pastebin.com/m7c98b80f
05:42 < simoncpu> isset doesn't seem to work though
05:42 < simoncpu> if i don't enter any values, "exceeded maximum length" is displayed instead of "please enter required fields"
05:43 < simoncpu> i even tried setting severity="critical" and required="true" to no avail...
05:43 < simoncpu> ei
05:43 < simoncpu> lemme try provides
05:45 < simoncpu> weird... still the same
05:45 < simoncpu> http://simoncpu.pastebin.com/m1f254932
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05:51 < Jarda> a sec
05:52 < simoncpu> cool, this works now
05:52 < simoncpu> http://simoncpu.pastebin.com/m65fe7082
05:54 < Jarda> yeah, that's the other options
05:54 < Jarda> I didn
05:54 < Jarda> I didn't remember, that it was class="isnotempty", not "isset"
05:55 < Jarda> I like to wrap all required fields to one validator, to get one message "Please provide required fields" and then agavi hilights those required fields, but that's up to you how you like to handle those situations :)
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05:57 < simoncpu> yepp... i'd like to do that too, especially if the form becomes too large
05:57 < Jarda> well, isnotempty works in that
05:57 < simoncpu> whoa... i've realized something
05:57 < Jarda> don't remember what isset is for..
05:57 < simoncpu> FPF can not only insert HTML tags...
05:57 < simoncpu> it can also insert javascript as well
05:57 < simoncpu> so in theory, it's possible to highlight the fields with errors
05:57 < simoncpu> cooooool
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05:59 < Jarda> well, for me it is enough, that fpf injects automatically class="error" to those fields
05:59 < Jarda> then I can add a red border or something to inputs
06:00 < Jarda> then I can do something like $(".error").myJavaScriptMagic()
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06:00 < Jarda> I don't like inline javascript
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07:17 < graste_> huomenta
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07:53 < sth> Morning
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07:57 < Rozza> huomenta!
07:57 < Rozza> wheres Wombert nowadays?
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08:35 < sth> Rozza: At his desk
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08:42 < WasabiCat> the curly braces in the Agavi routing patterns { } is that a standard regular expression feature?  I've not been able to find documentation on those other than their range function as in \d{4} ( 4 digit long number )
08:42 < Rozza> sth: but why not in irc - he's avoiding me !
08:44 < WasabiCat> this pattern for instance only matches with the outermost curly braces { } in place "^/memberzone/import/({anchor_date:\d{4}-\d{1,2}-\d{1,2}})$"
08:50 < MikeSeth> WasabiCat: no, this is an agavi extension
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08:51 < WasabiCat> Is there anything about this in the docs ?
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08:51 < WasabiCat> does this only pertain to named parameters?
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08:58 < sth> Hungry.
08:58 < sth> afk
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09:07 < _cheerios> huomenta
09:08 < simoncpu> Rozza: he doesn't like you. he wants hugs and kisses
09:09 < benschi> houmenta
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09:10 < _cheerios> heh @ people being disgusted that schools in Helsinki are replacing chalkboards with smartboards
09:11 < simoncpu> where can i find these people?
09:11 < simoncpu> it sounds like a good way of obtaining free smartboards =)
09:13 < _cheerios> mostly ppl stunned that "the money is spent in vain as the chalkboard was much cheaper, and worked fine -- total bollocks investment!"
09:14 < _cheerios> ive never used a smartboard, but checking the youtube video it seems very practical
09:14 < Xylakant> come on
09:14 < Xylakant> chalkboards are sooo school 1.0
09:14 < sth> We have smartboards in the UK
09:14 < sth> like everywhere
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09:17 < _cheerios> how are they?
09:17 < sth> How are they what?
09:18 < sth> I guess I should qualify my previous statement, they're everywhere in education
09:19 < _cheerios> when you've used them, how have they been?
09:22 < sth> Pretty cool
09:23 < sth> They have major benefits compared to white boards
09:23 < sth> At least in the UK
09:23 < sth> s/UK/university/
09:24 < sth> Because the lecturer can save the contents and upload them as a jpeg 
09:24 < sth> Same goes for group meetings
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09:31 < _cheerios> all that writing down... looking at the teachers back most of the hour... trying to see what he's writing... trying to understand what he wrote.... gone? meh :( 
09:32 < sth> It's cool
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09:32 < sth> Because you don't need to go to lectures any more
09:32 < Xylakant> which is uncool
09:33 < Xylakant> because you can't interact with the lecturer any more
09:34 < sth> We still did. We'd go to a coffee shop and discuss stuff
09:35 < sth> I spent more time in coffee shops in my final year of university than I did in front of a computer
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09:57 < Jarda> I guess context isn't changeable after bootstrap?
09:58 < Jarda> so routing etc can't change it
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10:01 < Xylakant> Jarda: the context can't be changed
10:01 < Jarda> yeah
10:01 < Xylakant> but you can always bootstrap a second context
10:01 < Xylakant> what are you trying to do?
10:01 < simoncpu> i live in a 3rd-world country where there's smartboards are unheard of...
10:01 < simoncpu> we just use a projector
10:02 < simoncpu> and our teachers have to manually make a powerpoint presentation
10:02 < simoncpu> s/there's//
10:02 < Jarda> Xylakant: check whether we are in testing-context (via browser that is) or in "development-context"
10:02 < Jarda> separate databases
10:02 < Jarda> but I can do it in my developmen environment in index.php
10:02 < sth> I love how a var_dump of a model can cause safari to break
10:02 < Xylakant> Jarda: that should be done via environments anyway
10:03 < Jarda> Xylakant: yeah, I mixed those. Of course I meant environment..
10:03 < simoncpu> sth: i wish safari supports scrollable tabs
10:04 < Xylakant> you can never bootstrap a second environment
10:04 < simoncpu> it's the deal breaker for me... i still find myself going back to my first true love,
10:04 < simoncpu> firefox
10:04 < Jarda> Xylakant: well, I can do something like ?environment=testing and check that in index.php, and then when in testing-env allways append that parameter to routing?
10:05 < Xylakant> why would you do that?
10:05 < Jarda> why wouldn't I?
10:05 < Jarda> so that I don
10:05 < Jarda> so that I don't have to manually change that in index.php
10:06 < Jarda> selenium-tests etc
10:06 < Xylakant> well, I'd get two working copies
10:06 < Xylakant> but anyways
10:07 < Jarda> two working copies needs svn commit and svn update
10:07 < Jarda> makes testing complicated
10:07 < Jarda> and I maybe committing breaking code to repo
10:07 < Jarda> of course git would help with this..
10:07 < Xylakant> you can check any incoming data in the dispatcher file
10:08 < Xylakant> you can have two dispatcher files as well
10:08 < Xylakant> which is probably less complicated
10:13 < Jarda> but is it possible to give (in factories.xml or somewhere else) an parameter which gets appended every time?
10:21 < Xylakant> not that I know of
10:21 < Xylakant> you could maybe pull some stunts to get that done
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10:28 < Jarda> but if I end up using two different dispatchers, how do I tell that to routing?
10:28 < Jarda> if I have pub/testing.php in example
10:28 < Xylakant> routing will magically prepend the proper prefix
10:29 < Jarda> I can't use htaccess then?
10:31 < Xylakant> erm
10:31 < Xylakant> the urls need to differ in any way
10:32 < Xylakant> the standard htaccess file would allow having a second dispatcher file named "testing.php" and calling the site as /pub/testing.php/foo
10:33 < Xylakant> Apache2 can do that and it's supported in agavi out of the box
10:33 < Jarda> wait a sec
10:34 < Jarda> oh yeah, it doesn't magically rewrite /index.php-> /
10:35 < Jarda> great
10:35 < Jarda> this is fine
10:35 < Jarda> thanks
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10:36 < Xylakant> you're welcome
10:44 < Jarda> oh cool, now I can have in my Testing-module <module enabled="false">...<ae:configuration environment="testing.*"><module enabled="true"...
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11:25 < v-dogg> environments <3 
11:25 < v-dogg> :)
11:50 < _cheerios> http://www.janinerewell.com/tantheman.html
11:53 < sth> that's cool, but odd
11:53 < E_mE> heh, be careful what you tweet: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8173731.stm
11:54 < sth> nuts to that
11:54 < E_mE> _cheerios: thats little freaky :S
11:54 < E_mE> reminds me of ham with the faces of a bear in it 
11:55 < E_mE> which you get in UK deli's
11:55 < Seldaek> well what's really dumb is that they got more bad press for the lawsuite than what they got from the actual "diffamation"
11:55 < Seldaek> so they should sue themselves back to hell
11:55 < E_mE> Seldaek: did you read the, "We are a sue first, ask questions later type of company" hehehe
11:58 < Seldaek> haha no that wasn't in the article I read about that
11:58 < Seldaek> what a bunch of morons
11:59 < Seldaek> (damn this chan is logged, if they read it they'll sue me)
12:00 < E_mE> i think she had the right to state that she wasn't happy to live in mold, i think mold should be outlawed in rented apartments etc
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13:00 < Rozza> E_mE: hello dude
13:05 < E_mE> ah Rozza, how do's?
13:11 < E_mE> this should lighten up your lunch: http://emailsfromcrazypeople.com/2009/07/28/no-pets-clause/
13:12 < MikeSeth> http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/95nut/text_a_girl_and_ask_if_her_if_you_can_tap_that/ I can't stop laughing
13:12 < E_mE> s/your/people's/
13:12 < E_mE> MikeSeth: read what i post thats very funny too :)
13:13 < impl> pfft
13:13 < impl> CAcert
13:13 < MikeSeth> E_mE: you poast on reddit? wow
13:13 < impl> CHEAP BASTARDS
13:13 < MikeSeth> i stopped for a long time
13:13 < E_mE> ive not posted on Reddit for quite a long time 
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13:14 < E_mE> MikeSeth: i mean the url i just posted above ;)
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13:21 < saracen> OH FUCK IT
13:22 < saracen> 8 minutes is not an hour, accordinging to my extremely black pizza.
13:22 < saracen> was looking forward too that too, damn getting distracted by coding
13:24 < MikeSeth> ahh
13:24 < MikeSeth> E_mE: i thought you texted your gf too lol
13:25 < E_mE> ill ask her tonight :P see what she replies hehe
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14:10 < MikeSeth> hey i can nest subactions as deep as i can right
14:10 < MikeSeth> routing cant find my foo.bar.fish action for some reason
14:12 < _cheerios> that's not deep
14:13 < saracen> Thats what she said
14:13 < saracen> sth: Right, right?!
14:13 < MikeSeth> nvm i suck at the airplane
14:13 < saracen> My uncle used to do that, he got arrested.
14:14 < _cheerios> if you wanna see suck, you need to see the source to my orm someday. it works, but it's still fail :<
14:14 < saracen> I'm going to find food, rather than make lame jokes. bai
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14:14 < sth> ?Q
14:15 < saracen> =(
14:15 < saracen> I used it correctly.
14:15 < sth> saracen: you need to start being funny or die...
14:15 < sth> :D
14:15 < saracen> lol, i'm pretty sure I have other options in life
14:16 < sth> No you don't
14:21 < sth> I've found out what impl does at work: http://meritt.us/fort/
14:25 < _cheerios> heh
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14:43 < Rayne> weird, do i have to enable the form population filter or do i have to enable an php extension for using it?
14:44 < MikeSeth> Rayne: no, but by default it only refills forms in write methods and only if form submit url equals action url
14:45 < Rayne> pew, the url equals and the mode is "write"
14:45 < Rayne> hm
14:49 < Xylakant> Rayne: you need valid XHTML for the FPF to work
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14:52 < Rayne> i could swear that the fp filter throws an error for approx 10 minutes because html was malformed... but now i wrote <b><table><tr></tr>/</table></b> in the template but it does not throw an exception... confusing, i have no idea what i broke :/
14:53 < Rayne> the error template is loaded, wth :/
15:01 < Xylakant> Rayne: IIRC the FPF does not complain about invalid html im production mode any more
15:03 < Rayne> change to production mode does not help Xylakant 
15:03 < Rayne> eh
15:04 < Rayne> i use development
15:04 < Xylakant> right
15:04 < Xylakant> then it's not that
15:04 < Xylakant> what does not work?
15:04 < Rayne> the fpf does not fill my forms and does not append error messages like "invalid number"
15:05 < Rayne> i run currently an nginx server with fast-cgi to an php-cgi worker which runs without an wrapper 
15:10 < Xylakant> can you post your global-filters.xml somewhere?
15:18 < Rayne> good idea
15:18 < Rayne> http://pastie.org/565401
15:19 < Xylakant> looks nice
15:19 < Xylakant> and it's a post request?
15:20 < Rayne> yes, it is
15:20 < Xylakant> and the output type is html?
15:20 < Rayne> yes, have not modified the output settings
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15:20 < Xylakant> and the resulting html code is valid?
15:21 < Xylakant> what does the form look like?
15:22 < Rayne> html ist valid
15:22 < Rayne> http://pastie.org/private/f91rc4fsuamxisaqs5eqhg
15:26 < Xylakant> weird
15:26 < Xylakant> have you tried removing the explicit value from the input tag?
15:26 < Rayne> the validation: http://pastie.org/private/npgedfs57shoesvsd2shqg
15:26 < Rayne> no, but fpf should overwrite this by default
15:26 < _cheerios> classic <?php $ro->gen('validators.form'); ?>
15:27 < Xylakant> I'd guess so
15:27 < Rayne> arrrr :/
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15:27 < Rayne> d'oh
15:27 < Rayne> as _cheerios said
15:27 < Xylakant> _cheerios: in general that shout work
15:27 < E_mE> digitarald: do you watch top gear?
15:27 < Rayne> thanks _cheerios …
15:28 < Xylakant> ah
15:28 < Rayne> and thanks Xylakant :)
15:28 < Xylakant> the echo is missing
15:28 < Xylakant> darn
15:28  * Xylakant is blind
15:28 < Xylakant> good that the day is nearly over
15:28 < Rayne> heh
15:28 < Rayne> that was so unneccessary :/
15:29 < Rayne> hey digitarald 
15:29 < digitarald> E_mE: no
15:30 < E_mE> ah okay :)
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15:36 < digitarald> hey Rayne
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17:58 < digitarald> ah, people that make their framework choice depending on google trends ... frustrating
17:59 < digitarald> agavi vs. symfony vs. jsf ...
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18:12 < _cheerios> link? :)
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20:06 < digitarald> round ping
20:10 < digitarald> horros, impl, luke`, MikeSeth, saracen, macen, sth, v-dogg ...
20:10 < digitarald> I have a huge project in Switzerland, promising start-up
20:11 < skoop> anyone seen Wombert around?
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21:29 < digitarald> ok, symfony it is
21:29 < digitarald> So I'm on the safe side when I need more people
21:44 < _cheerios> :)
21:59 < sth> Hi
22:12 < saracen> digitarald: sup?
22:13 < saracen> Oh
22:13 < saracen> Oh
22:13 < saracen> opps
22:14 < digitarald> hey
22:14 < digitarald> oh
22:14 < digitarald> saracen
22:14 < saracen> hai
22:18 < digitarald> whats up ... I'm kinda sad that I go the symfony way :(
22:20 < sth> ugh
22:21 < sth> VE SHALL NOT HAVE ZE SYMFONY MENTIONED
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22:38 < digitarald> : you are right
22:39 < digitarald> next version will be agavi, but we only have 2 weeks and I have 2 other devs who know the unnamed framework better than my beloved agavi
22:42 < digitarald> sucks ... I feel bad ...
22:51 < digitarald> is there a good php restclient?
22:52 < digitarald> is there any?
22:52 < digitarald> curl ftw
22:54 < _cheerios> check out recess framework :p
22:59 < _cheerios> "Due to a non-backward compatible change in PHP between PHP 5.2.9 and 5.2.10 Zend Optimizer (the runtime side of Zend Guard) does not work under 5.2.10. Zend is aggressively working..." seems Zend has their woes too. :)
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00:07 < _cheerios> managed to unfuck parts of my code \o/ i might become a programmer yet :<>
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05:53 < simoncpu> huomenta
05:54 < simoncpu> have you guys experienced a situation where you initialized two or more object via getModel()
05:54 < simoncpu> and the objects inherit the same base models
05:54 < simoncpu> and the objects would overwrite the member variables in the other objects?
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07:36 < graste_> huomenta
07:43 < sth> Morning
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08:31 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:49 < _cheerios> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrQuR1LHAVI good wakeup music
08:53 < E_mE> _cheerios: thats great tune
08:55 < sth> I have this playing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQg8IhpcLWg
08:56 < E_mE> sth:  FREAK!
08:58 < sth> It's an awesome song
08:58 < _cheerios> sounds like last year of hs that tune, idd
09:04 < Xylakant> it seems that retired germans lead a boring life
09:05 < Xylakant> yesterday and 81 year old stormed a meeting of Jehovah's Witnesses 
09:05 < Xylakant> armed with a machine pistol and a samurai sword
09:05 < Xylakant> and two bags of ammo
09:05 < Xylakant> i guess the machine pistol was a keepsake from WW2
09:06 < _cheerios> wtf :)
09:06 < sth> Damn Axis powers.
09:06 < Xylakant> :)
09:06 < Xylakant> see, they are still training
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09:16 < graste_> :o
09:19 < macen> hi guys
09:19 < macen> PHP5.3 conference tonight https://www2.gotomeeting.com/join/205600035/106544945
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09:35 < everplays> http://gnaughty.sourceforge.net/ it was last thing that i thought needs a GUI client application \o/ maybe never!
09:35 < Xylakant> well, then
09:35 < Xylakant> how did you stumble across that
09:37 < E_mE> thats certainly a good question ;)
09:37 < macen> does anybody use Eclipse with a workspace located on a network drive ?
09:37 < everplays> via twitter :)
09:38 < macen> on OSX
09:38 < macen> it's telling me it can't lock files :/
09:38 < macen> why do i bother hmpf
09:39 < fnordfish1> macen: i'd run pretty well using a sftp
09:39 < macen> only way round it i can think of is to rsync the files over to the network drive every other second
09:40 < macen> fnordfish1: expand?
09:40 < E_mE> its a work macen ;)
09:40 < E_mE> word*
09:41 < macen> like a tunnel?
09:42 < fnordfish1> i use mac fuse and mounted remote filesystems via sftp-fs
09:43 < fnordfish1> runs pretty good with eclipse - textmate has it's problems with network-drives ...
09:44 < E_mE> why not use a SCM between your network and local machine?
09:44 < simoncpu> i use macfuse to edit my files inside a vm... pretty cool
09:45 < macen> E_mE: hows chesterfield? 
09:45 < _cheerios> i'll retweet that, everplays :p
09:45 < E_mE> fine thank you, now how about an answer to my question?
09:45 < _cheerios> where was the original? :D
09:46 < _cheerios> got it
09:47 < macen> E_mE: i have to reboot bbl
09:47 < ttj> How can a hangover last two days... :(
09:48 < E_mE> ttj: depends what you've ingested :P
09:48 < _cheerios> ttj, just jogged -- how much have you jogged today??? :D
09:49 < Jarda> testing is ♥ 
09:50 < everplays> E_mE: _cheerios: who tweeted about this has a private account but here's the shot :) http://imagebin.ca/view/giucZJc8.html
09:50 < _cheerios> TESTING IS FOR PUSSIES WHO CANT CODE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
09:50  * _cheerios hugs his tests
09:51 < everplays> why you are interested in? want to read the source? \o/
09:51 < _cheerios> twitter feed needs daily doze of funnies
09:52 < _cheerios> need more females on my feed. they'd get the hint that i need to get laid and would offer to tap them.
09:52 < E_mE> heh
09:53 < E_mE> can i tap you _cheerios ?
09:53 < E_mE> :P
09:54 < E_mE> lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannulated_cow
09:56 < ttj> Yumm.... Pizza.
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11:00  * Wombert pokes sth 
11:00 < sth> Hai
11:01 < sth> Wombert: wut?!
11:01 < Wombert> jabberz
11:01 < sth> Oh right
11:01 < Wombert> [11:49] Jarda: testing is ♥
11:01 < Wombert> :>>
11:01 < Jarda> wat
11:02 < sth> my laptop crashed last night so I didn't bother to restart my stuff
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13:03 < everplays> can anyone use wikipedia? it seems wiki is down!
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13:05 < Xylakant> oooh nooos
13:05 < Xylakant> the internetz are dead
13:05 < graste_> :\
13:05 < Xylakant> well, at least google works
13:08 < graste_> is there any other internet?
13:08 < graste_> :D
13:09 < Xylakant> there's still bing!
13:09 < sth> Xylakant: the internetz still work
13:15 < Xylakant> oh, nice
13:15 < Xylakant> good that i know
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13:26 < _cheerios> ttj, We Love Helsinki tonight? If the rain'd just stop :<
13:27 < _cheerios> electronic music in ze parks and streets http://www.hytky.org/rytmikaravaani/en/artists/
13:29 < _cheerios> and now with some lightning :<
13:35 < sth> http://groups.google.com/group/make-the-web-faster/browse_thread/thread/61466de12694a124?hl=en
13:35 < sth> Some people need to be shot
13:35 < _cheerios> lol
13:44 < graste_> too many party killers in that thread
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13:52 < ttj> _cheerios: Still having a terrible feeling. :(
13:54 < ttj> Just got rid of my old mattress. Now I need to order a new one.
14:02 < saracen> http://ec.atdmt.com/ds/I9I90TJGRTCW/Totaljobs_CWjobsjune_080609/CW_RON_PHP_300x250_may09.swf?ver=1&clickTag1=http://ads2.net-communities.co.uk/openx/www/delivery/ck.php?oaparams=2__bannerid=851__zoneid=274__cb=88a00d76d9__oadest=http://adserver.adtechus.com/adlink/5159/425851/0/170/AdId%3D396475;BnId%3D1;itime%3D48438927;key%3Dkey1+key2+key3+key4;nodecode%3Dyes;link%3Dhttp://clk.atdmt.com/go/155647309/direct;ai.117515096;ct.1/01&clickTag=http://ads2.ne
14:02 < saracen> That was a much longer link than I thought it was. But anyway, I don't like the adverts coding style.
14:04 < sth> Honestly, if that's the level they're expecting, even you could get a job there saracen :P
14:04 < saracen> Says the man I've helped with agavi questions
14:04 < saracen> tut tut
14:04 < Xylakant> he now has the experts at his back
14:04 < saracen> Anyway, pokes at my coding skillz apart
14:05 < saracen> sth: Did you test the subdomainage problem on IE at all?
14:05 < sth> Not yet
14:05 < sth> afk, I haz a meeting
14:05 < CIA-52> kirila * r4225 /trunk/test/tests/unit/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Updated tests: Integer strings: eg: '1' is the same as 1
14:05 < saracen> There is no one.
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14:24 < _cheerios> heh @ (comment on financial ministers quip on Finlands economic state) "same thing with the economic rise as with the world economic crisis... doesn't concern Finland"
14:34 < sth> Back
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14:53 < E_mE> sth: when will you start compressing you PHP huh? 
15:19 < graste_> it's only a filter away in agavi (or something like that) =)
15:20 < Xylakant> actually
15:20 < Xylakant> the old mojavi compiled file was delivered without comments and stripped ws
15:32 < sth> E_mE: Dude, I was the one who posted it to google groups
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16:27 < macen> http://www.priebsch.de/
16:28 < macen> starting half an hour early according to the applet 
16:28 < macen> (in 30 minutes) ..
16:36 < _cheerios> macen: start the party \o/
16:44 < macen> should we ask a question?
16:44 < macen> "why is php so fail" 
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16:46 < macen> "why are no PHP frameworks true representations of MVC"
16:46 < macen> epic heckle lols
16:47 < macen> I'll leave that one too mikeseth methinks
16:48 < macen> he has earnt the privilege 
16:48 < macen> :p
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17:39 < sth> Hai
17:45 < jpdery> hi
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17:47 < Rayne> o hai
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17:50 < sth> Wombert left this on my facebook wall:  Stole a chewing gum from you desk. Axis powers will pay reparations to the allies as compensation.
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18:02 < Rayne> lol :D
18:05 < graste> :o
18:08 < sth> I found an awesome hotel here in Munich
18:08 < sth> http://localhostr.com/files/d8745d/photo.jpg
18:08 < sth> If I had a marker pen, I'd add "srsly"
18:15 < graste> haha
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18:28 < impl> hey guys
18:28 < sth> Hey
18:29 < impl> do me a favor and vote up http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=41631 plz
18:31 < sth> Done
18:32 < impl> thanks
18:35 < _cheerios> fcking twitter, work
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21:21 < Rayne> where do i define the basehref?
21:28 < digitarald> it comes from the routing
21:29 < Rayne> so i cannot change the base href to a sub dir?
21:31 < Rayne> my fault, rewrite rule sucked
21:31 < Rayne> thanks digitarald 
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