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00:10 < Wombert> [19:32] matbtt: ...txh. Mmh, that's what I intended, but I'm not sure how this will behave if the request comes from a html client and does not contain any xml. We'll see...
00:10 < Wombert> oh he's gone
00:10 < Wombert> :<
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01:03 < nfq> Wombert: ping
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01:57 < Ox42> Hey, im browsing the agavi sample app...
01:58 < Ox42> $this->getContext()->getUser()->login($rd->getParameter('username'), $rd->getParameter('password'));
01:58 < Ox42> is that... a built in thing or.... just an example?
02:03 < saracen> An example
02:03 < saracen> You'll see a user class in lib/user
02:03 < saracen> which extends the built in class AgaviSecurityUser
02:03 < saracen> So when you make your own project, you'll probably want to do something similar
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07:29 < v-dogg> huomenta
07:40 < horros> I really do wonder who has time to sit around analysing geographical and continuity errors in movies and report them to IMDB :)
07:43 < Rick> there are thousands if not millions of movie watchers, all it takes is one person to notice it and report it to imdb
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08:52 < liutis> huomenta
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09:08 < _cheerios> huomenta
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10:03 < Wombert> huomenta
10:03  * Wombert yawns
10:07 < v-dogg> hai
10:07 < v-dogg> how was london?
10:16 < MikeSeth> oh hai
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11:00 < reza> How to create a Calendar for PersianCalendar
11:08 < Wombert> v-dogg: still there
11:08 < Wombert> :>
11:08 < Wombert> reza: ummmmmmm
11:08 < Wombert> good question
11:09 < marioprudhomme> editing a few hundred lines of xml should do he trick ;)
11:10 < Wombert> nah, it's a calendar implementation thing
11:10 < Wombert> I think there is only one for gregorian calendars at the moment
11:10 < Wombert> does ICU even have a persian (iranian, actually, right?) one?
11:14 < reza> yes
11:14 < marioprudhomme> hey wombert, agavi is maintained by a company of 4 employees and youre one of them, correct?
11:21 < everplays> hmm, Wombert i want to know about "Date and translation services" like reza but i could not find any document for it!
11:22 < everplays> give us a way to know about Date and translation
11:32 < reza> :-(
11:33 < Wombert> marioprudhomme: five
11:33 < Wombert> but basically, yes
11:33 < Wombert> marioprudhomme: why?
11:35 < marioprudhomme> do you get outside contributers?
11:36 < Wombert> yes, sure, it's not just us
11:36 < Wombert> why?
11:36 < horros> hai Wombert 
11:36 < horros> Good trip?
11:36 < Wombert> I er
11:36 < Wombert> need to shower
11:36 < Wombert> and pack
11:36 < Wombert> and check out
11:36 < marioprudhomme> Just trying to learn more about agavi
11:36 < horros> Wombert: Ah.
11:37 < Wombert> marioprudhomme: you know it's been around for ~4 years, right?
11:37 < marioprudhomme> NO, lol
11:37 < marioprudhomme> i heard about it like, 3 days ago
11:37 < marioprudhomme> from a reddits post, i thought it was a new framework
11:37 < horros> I'ma call Börs tomorrow to make sure the room reservation has gone through and is confirmed and everything is settled.
11:37 < Wombert> nono. just recently hit 1.0
11:37 < Wombert> horros: ask about mine, too
11:37 < Wombert> horros: and yell at them for not sending out confirm mails
11:38 < horros> Wombert: Sure thing, plz 2 msg confirmation number kthx
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11:44 < reza> hmm, Wombert i want to know about "Date and translation services"
11:50 < everplays> guys no one can help us? ^
11:56 < Wombert> guys
11:56 < Wombert> it's sunday
11:56 < Wombert> ...
11:56 < Wombert> try the users mailing list
11:56 < Wombert> for instance
11:56 < Wombert> and be a little patient
11:56 < Wombert> I don't have time right now, sorry
11:57 < reza> Ok
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12:25 < Wombert> bai
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13:00 < graste> huomenta
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13:08 < _cheerios> performance headaches suck. :< still trying to figure out if mptt is workable w/mysql
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13:25 < marioprudhomme> use a "left-right node strategy"
13:32 < saracen> nested set!
13:32  * saracen smacks marioprudhomme 
13:43 < marioprudhomme> lol
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13:55 < v-dogg> :)
13:59 < _cheerios> a better choice of index (3 keys) brought the query to ~ 2 sec, will do.
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14:13 < trophaeum> _cheerios, 2secs is acceptable? ^_~
14:13 < v-dogg> prolly not a query executed on every request :)
14:14 < _cheerios> not really. but it won't go much faster than that (4000 nodes).
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14:17 < _cheerios> if postgres is much faster it'll deffo score points w/me :)
14:21 < trophaeum> postgres if it requires a table scan with multiple threads hitn it at once will do one scan and feed all the threads the data they need at once :P
14:21 < trophaeum> scalability ftw
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14:22 < trophaeum> screw this no fulltext search unless your a table type that cant update and select at the same time (granted, i use sphinx) and screw this having to pick the suitable table type for your data, give me a nice stable db that scales and can do insanly complex queries and do them fast any day of the week
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14:23 < trophaeum> postgres's builtin ftss also supports synonym tables and a few other things including you setting how you want it to score the ranking for the order by in multiple different ways
14:23 < trophaeum> the list goes on :)
14:24 < trophaeum> if your queries are complex enough it'll even enable geqo (genetic query optimizer)
14:25 < _cheerios> does postgres have good master-master and master-slave replication solutions by now?
14:25 < trophaeum> hmmmm, theres multiple solutions, each have their strong/weak points, i couldnt tell u a list of names but i can tell you that i have done async master slave before and it was GREAT
14:26 < trophaeum> you can also do warm standby with using PITR (point in time recovery) stuff
14:27 < trophaeum> btw, my purpose for master slave was 2 fold, 1 backup 2 statistical analysis on the slave box so as not to kill the master
14:28 < trophaeum> oh and if you use myisam tables regularly, how many times have you had to do repair table blah? :) with postgres iv NEVER had it not just come online and have the tables fully intact
14:28 < trophaeum> and trust me, i tried
14:29 < trophaeum> pulling hdd power plugs/data cables/psu cable/kill -9/force a kernel panic
14:29 < trophaeum> it survived every time without having to do anything by hand to repair it
14:34 < trophaeum> oh and then you can write functions/triggers in perl, php, tcl, pl/sql (postgres stored proc lang, pretty odd for me personally, havnt used mssql or oracle much before so it hurts my head), cascading foreign key updates/deletes... i could go on but as u can see, im sick of mysql blowing up on me, postgres ftw
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14:36 < v-dogg> I have never used mysql for anything serious so I can't say anything about it
14:36 < v-dogg> but I can say: PostgreSQL ftw :)
14:38 < MikeSeth> o/
14:38 < MikeSeth> yes
14:39 < MikeSeth> PostgreSQL is Serious Business
14:39 < MikeSeth> o/~ IF YOU HAVE A WHITE FRIEND
14:39 < MikeSeth> o/~ THEY BE CLAPPIN LIKE THIS YO
14:39 < MikeSeth> lol @ rev. wright!
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14:47 < trophaeum> i used mysql for a 'serious' site once, 800 queries/sec, quad xeon 450, 4gig of ram, 6 disk array, it kept blowing tables out every few days and i would get 2am phone calls zomg the db is down
14:47 < trophaeum> and as you can see, there are more than a couple in here who agree
14:48 < _cheerios> sure. i just need more than a standalone single server setup (hence the m:m+m:s question).
14:49 < trophaeum> m s iv done with success and since it was async it was great when there were connection problems, i actually did m s s with the last s being a local db at home
14:50 < trophaeum> that was long ago too so better solutions will exist these days
14:50 < _cheerios> settings those up with mysql is almost a breeze. with postgres, i find random links from 2007 to different solutions and that's about it. doesn't inspire much trust to look deeper.
14:51 < trophaeum> shrug upto you, i just know what experience iv had with it all, mysql needs to die already
14:52 < trophaeum> http://bucardo.org/ looks fun
14:54 < _cheerios> so much fun you need to program perl to have it work proper :)
14:54 < trophaeum> PostgreSQL offers multiple solutions for multi-master replication, including solutions based on two phase commit. There's Bucardo, PgPool and PgPool-II, PgCluster and Sequoia as well as some proprietary solutions. Another promising approach, implementing eager (synchronous) replication is Postgres-R, however it is still in development.
14:54 < trophaeum> so says wikipedia
14:56 < _cheerios> if there was a solution in active development, proven track record, and backed by postgres itself -- that'd be nice.
14:57 < trophaeum> postgres doesnt do them itself at this point, its on the todo list, they are working on other fun stuff for performance and scalability though
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15:23 < cln> hello, i have a problem regarding submitting a form
15:23 < cln> method is set to post but there is no data transferred to the action
15:24 < cln> can anyone help me, pls?
15:24 < macen> all fields need to be validated
15:24 < macen> otherwise they won't appear
15:25 < macen> see app/modules/Products/validate/Product/view.xml in the sample app for examples
15:26 < MikeSeth> cln: Agavi has strict validation mode on by default
15:26 < MikeSeth> cln: which means that nothing passes to the action until it's validated
15:26 < MikeSeth> cln: you can a) write validation directives or b) disable strict validation
15:27 < macen> indeed
15:27 < macen> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/modules/Products/validate/Product/View.xml <<
15:27 < cln> ah ok, thx both of you
15:28 < graste> for some basic skeleton examples have a look at the validation related topics under http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html
15:28 < MikeSeth> if you are writing a production application i highly suggest the former
15:28 < graste> yes
15:28 < cln> is the xmlns entry still valid?
15:28 < graste> the sample application gives some nice examples
15:29 < MikeSeth> cln: it should be
15:29 < cln> ok
15:38 < cln> is it enough to write what´s given under http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_0 or do i also have to write certain validators additionally?
15:38 < cln> the data is still NULL
15:39 < cln> we´re testing here and used relaxed as param
15:41 < graste> better get used to strict mode
15:42 < graste> do you have a validator?
15:43 < graste> even in relaxed mode that would be used
15:43 < cln> yeah i know and we definitely want to use it later, but at first we want to get the action run properly the simplest way
15:43 < cln> no, atm no validator
15:44 < graste> and you really use relaxed mode?
15:45 < MikeSeth> cln: in relaxed mode, it will let everything through if no specific validator applies
15:45 < MikeSeth> cln: how did you switch to relaxed?
15:45 < graste> you can define the validation mode per context and environment - make sure you edited the correct part of you factories.xml file
15:47 < MikeSeth> <configuration environment="development"><validation_manager class="AgaviValidationManager"> <parameter name="mode">relaxed</parameter></validation_manager></configuration>
15:47 < MikeSeth> etc
15:51 < graste> sometimes it helps to delete the config cache ;)
15:51 < MikeSeth> are you running in production?
15:51 < MikeSeth> in development mode caches are cleared automatically
15:52 < cln> our validator for one input is:<validator class="string" required="false" name="title_bla">     <argument>title</argument>     <ae:parameter name="max">255</ae:parameter>    </validator>
15:52 < macen> when debug=true caches are cleared
15:53 < cln> error message is: unknown validator found: string
15:53 < graste> parent="" is missing
15:53 < v-dogg> yup
15:53 < graste> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/modules/Products/validate/Product/View.xml#L5
15:54 < graste> like this - validators specify "parent" validators until you get to the topmost (which is the one that makes it possible to use shortnames like"string" "and" etc. for validators)
15:54 < graste> otherwise you'd have to use full class names
15:54 < graste> AgaviStringValidator etc
15:55 < cln> ok, tyvm it works :)
15:55 < graste> :)
15:56 < v-dogg> I'd actually recommend full class names. less confusing
15:57 < v-dogg> I don't think those aliases actually give anything
15:57  * macen agrees 
15:57 < macen> took me ages to figure what was doin off in there :s
15:58 < macen> s/doin/goin
15:58 < macen> i must be stupid
15:58 < macen> where are the aliases defined?
15:59 < macen> I thought it just stripped Agavi* and *Validator then strtolowercase'ed it
15:59 < v-dogg> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/config/validators.xml
15:59 < macen> doh.
15:59 < v-dogg> ^ see parent=".."
15:59 < v-dogg> there
15:59 < macen> ahk
16:02 < graste> so it should be easily possible to define own shortnames, I'd guess :)
16:03 < macen> may as well change the class name heh
16:03 < MikeSeth> graste: in the new versions you can actually define validation templates to be reused in actual validation config
16:03 < graste> ^^
16:03 < graste> validations templates?
16:04 < MikeSeth> yeah
16:04 < graste> like some sort of nested validators to be reused?
16:04 < MikeSeth> just validation configuration that you can invoke
16:05  * graste likes to see an example, as he doesn't get teh point
16:07 < MikeSeth> I dont have one ready i havent even looked at it myself yet
16:07 < MikeSeth> it should be in release announcements of the last 1.0 prebetas
16:09 < graste> hm, don't remember something, but thanks for the tip anyways :)
16:09 < graste> may come in handy one time
16:11 < MikeSeth> where's mark
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16:12 < Strzalek> Huomenta
16:13 < Strzalek> anybody here?
16:13 < MikeSeth> no :D
16:13 < Strzalek> Hi Mike! ;0
16:13 < Strzalek> ;)
16:13 < Strzalek> I have some problems with config after a couple moths of break with agavi
16:14 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: http://pastie.org/403825
16:17 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: umm you upgraded from which to which version?
16:17 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: I'm porting old 0.10 app to 1.0
16:17 < Strzalek> starting with clean config
16:18 < MikeSeth> 0.10?!
16:18 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: sure ;) Oldschool
16:18 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: nahh, 0.11
16:18 < Strzalek> But databases I written new
16:18 < MikeSeth> well a LOT changed between 0.11 and 1.0
16:19 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: yes i know
16:19 < Strzalek> and my job i to port it
16:19 < Strzalek> but I told you - i have now clean 1.0 app
16:19 < Strzalek> and want to run first query with propel
16:19 < Strzalek> and have this databases config error
16:20 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: <parameter> and <parameters> also get ae: prefix
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16:20 < MikeSeth> other than this
16:20 < MikeSeth> clear your cache
16:21 < MikeSeth> make sure you updated system config files in app/config
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16:21 < MikeSeth> especially config_handlers.xml and compile.xml
16:22 < Strzalek> Huh
16:22 < Strzalek> in 1.0 i can't use single <parameter>...
16:22 < MikeSeth> yes
16:22 < Strzalek> without putting it into <parameters>...
16:22 < MikeSeth> <ae:parameters><ae:parameter>
16:22 < Strzalek> Aaaaa
16:22 < MikeSeth> this is how it should go
16:22 < Strzalek> Ok
16:22 < cln> how are errors transferred to an error page?
16:23 < cln> validation errors*
16:25 < Strzalek> Ok
16:25 < Strzalek> it still don't work
16:25 < Strzalek> but must go now ;/
16:25 < Strzalek> brb 40 minutes
16:25 < cln> did some1 answer me? i think, i had a disconnect ...
16:27 < graste> cln: you can display errors using your errorview and manually outputting them by iterating over errors (uncool) or use the form population filter (cool)
16:28 < cln> ah yes, i think i read that once
16:28 < cln> gtg now, ty for ur support
16:28 < graste> form population filter is configured in global_fliters.xml
16:28 < graste> good luck
16:29 < cln> cu
16:30 < MikeSeth> graste: there's actually a new pretty API that retrieves the error messages from validation manager in an ordered fashion
16:30 < MikeSeth> cln: form population filter can do this and more
16:30 < graste> yep, never used that api
16:30 < graste> and FAQ example is old
16:31 < graste> already in an unfinished faq 
16:31 < graste> haha
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16:34 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: huh, could you repair config for me?
16:34 < Strzalek> I can't fix it
16:35 < saracen> MikeSeth: http://www.fiveturns.org/meet_the_bottle/ - Because I know you play TF2 :P
16:36 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: same validation errors?
16:36 < Strzalek> Yes
16:36 < MikeSeth> 18:22 <MikeSeth> make sure you updated system config files in app/config
16:37 < MikeSeth> 18:22 <MikeSeth> especially config_handlers.xml and compile.xml
16:37 < MikeSeth> in most cases you should copy these from Agavi config templates when migrating
16:38 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: I told you - all of the "new 1.0" is pure agavi structued application with default configs proviaded by generator
16:39 < MikeSeth> and yet you still get this?
16:39 < MikeSeth> pastebin the file as it is now
16:39 < MikeSeth> saracen: mmmm
16:40 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: http://pastie.org/403840
16:40 < saracen> nom
16:41 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: the file looks completely valid to me
16:41 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: for me too ;}
16:41 < Strzalek> Ahhhhh
16:41 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: are you *sure* there's no mistake? paste your config_handlers.xml
16:41 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: I have 2 sections
16:42 < Strzalek> one for me, and one for my partner
16:42 < Strzalek> I updated first
16:42 < Strzalek> and second was withous ns's
16:42 < Strzalek> ;]
16:42 < Strzalek> No I have PHP error and I'm happy to finally see another error ;)
16:43 < MikeSeth> ahaha
16:43 < MikeSeth> old port
16:43 < MikeSeth> brb smoke
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17:16 < macen> woah the FAW grew huh
17:16 < macen> FAQ*
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17:37 < nfq> yo MikeSeth 
17:39 < MikeSeth> hey
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18:24 < Rayne> i have a weird problem:i have the following routing and validator: http://pastie.org/private/zf0dikw53hxbuhfcdbdhbw - but only the second "rewrite" route calls ShowPost, while the first route calls the 404 action. any clue?
18:28 < asonge> Rayne: try and use a different name?
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18:42 < ttj> Hmm... If I have a form with input fields evaluation[foo] and evaluation[bar], how would I go about validating these?
18:42 < ttj> Or: is there a manual on validators anywhere?
18:45 < saracen> You should just be able to validate them like any other input
18:45 < Rayne> asonge, oups
18:45 < Rayne> thanks
18:45 < saracen> <argument>evaluation[foo]</argument>
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18:47 < ttj> Hmm... Is there any easy way to turn validation off. I think I should dig into this in more detail a bit later, but I have to get this demo done by tomorrow morning and I really can't be arsed to fight with validation right now... :D
18:48 < matbtt> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_0
18:48 < Ox42> So, can you guys make an AgaviSimple ?
18:49 < Ox42> Or maybe just a book - Agaivi For Retards.
18:49 < ttj> matbtt: Thanks. :)
18:49 < matbtt> :) You're welcome
18:53 < Rayne> if i want to add a new action should i use agavi-dist or can i just create an action, view, validation, and template?
18:54 < matbtt> ttj: you may be interested in this http://blog.veikko.fi/post/68983308/agavi-tip-validation-gotchas, v-dogg collected some very useful hints 
18:55 < ttj> Thanks. That looks really useful. Gonna bookmark these and implement them properly after tomorrow. (Dangerous last words... :D)
18:55 < matbtt> very dangerous, indeed
18:57 < matbtt> Rayne: ..it's up to you. Manual creation is error prone if you have typos...
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18:58 < saracen> Plus you dont get the benefit of it creating the validation and cache xml files.
18:58 < saracen> If you do: agavi action-wizard it will also ask you what views to automatically create
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19:01 < Rayne> i used the wizard, thanks
19:01 < Ox42> God, As much as I dont get Agavi, I want to use it.
19:37 < macen> lol Ox42 I know the feeling well
19:38 < macen> what are you getting stuck on?
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19:56 < Rayne> how do you call your validators? my current validator is named »AppPublicPageValidator«.
19:57 < Rayne> (for validating the requested page id, like /blog/3)
19:59 < Rayne> hm... i placed its information into the autoload.xml but i think it should be placed inside validators.xml, am i right?
20:01 < matbtt> It needs to be placed in autoload.xml for autoload purpose, otherwise you get an error. 
20:01 < matbtt> Then you have a xml file with the name of the action
20:01 < matbtt> there you can add this validator.
20:02 < Rayne> great
20:02 < Rayne> thanks
20:02 < Rayne> where can i define the modul's default error view (if this is possible)?
20:03 < matbtt> ...see http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html and http://blog.veikko.fi/post/68983308/agavi-tip-validation-gotchas for further details
20:03 < Rayne> i do not want to create for every action an error view
20:05 < matbtt> ...mhh, don't know 
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20:09 < matbtt> ...I think one error view per action is the desired solution...
20:10 < Rayne> hm
20:13 < Rayne> matbtt, handleXXXError() @ action
20:14 < Rayne> damn
20:14 < matbtt> ...what?
20:15 < matbtt> ...the returned view name can also be an array containing Module/View. 
20:15 < Rayne> this allows only to change the view from XXXError to XXXFoobar
20:15 < Rayne> it can?
20:15 < Rayne> maybe an internal forwarding would be cleaner?
20:16 < matbtt> ...don't think so
20:17 < matbtt> ...try to return an array pointing to your generic error view
20:18 < Rayne> matbtt, this works but i do not think that this is clean
20:18 < asonge> "For a few dollars more."
20:18 < Rayne> but i'll use it
20:18 < asonge> fucking awesome.
20:18 < Rayne> asonge, ?
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20:18 < asonge> oh, wrong channel
20:18 < saracen> I havent felt like programming all week
20:19 < saracen> I hate these, "dry spells" ;x
20:19 < asonge> but it's a Clint Eastwood movie
20:19 < asonge> and clint eastwood is the man.
20:19 < graste> word
20:23 < macen> quote of the day "you are barking up the wrong tree" :x
20:25 < Rayne> i have the route /archive/(page_id:\d+) and it works quite well but i want if the page_id is "1" that the app http-redirects to route "/" (like example.com/archive/1 => example.com/). how can this be done? and where should this be done (i could place it in my page validator)?
20:26 < graste> :)
20:28 < Rayne> i know how but where would this be clean?
20:31 < graste> I'd say the view - perhaps send another http status code with it 
20:32 < graste> something liek "moved permanently" or whatever your requirements are
20:32 < Rayne> inside the validator should not work (netbeans does not show the getResponse object inside the validator object)
20:33 < Rayne> graste, yes i would send "moved permanently"
20:34 < graste> thent he view is the best place where it belongs
20:36 < Rayne> now i have to check where the http code will be set
20:38 < graste> same place: $this->getResponse()->setHttpStatusCode('301'); $this->getResponse()->setRedirect($this->getContext()->getRouting()->gen('route.to.somewhere')));
20:40 < Rayne> i trust netbeans to much (it does not display all methods/objects/variables in most cases because they are added dynamic - maybe)
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20:41 < graste> I use 6.5 myself at work and am quite happy with it, but sometimes it seems to choke on some things - but there are a lot of improvements in the line for 7.0 (according to netbeans php blog) 
20:41 < graste> looking forward to that release
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20:42 < Rayne> this setRedirect() does not redirect immediately (because it's only a setter) - but when does the redirect got initiated?
20:42 < graste> when the view returns
20:42 < Rayne> it is quite nice
20:42 < Rayne> so the view will be send to the browser too?
20:42 < Rayne> as fallback for browser which ignores the http redirect?
20:42 < Rayne> (if this is possible)
20:42 < graste> don't think so
20:43 < Rayne> will it render the template, too?
20:43 < graste> don't think so
20:43 < Rayne> hm
20:43 < saracen> It wouldnt really happen, but yeah, I believe you can send the header + content, if you setup the layer
20:43 < saracen> It would render it if you setup the layout I'd imagine
20:43 < saracen> Just dont call setupHtml()
20:43 < saracen> in the view
20:43 < saracen> just set the redirect and then return;
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20:44 < Rayne> i wrote for testing if ($page == '1') { /* redirect stuff */ return false } so i have not to create an else tree. is this "clean" or just stupid?
20:45 < graste> yep, but not return false or AgaviView::NONE
20:45 < Rayne> void not, too?
20:45 < Rayne> then i have to create an else tree (or it would load the model and would talk to the database)
20:46 < graste> someone did the same thing (if () redirect; return false;) and after removing that return false, the code worked ;)
20:46 < saracen> I just return nothing
20:46 < Rayne> default value, okay :)
20:47 < saracen> I dont really know what you're doing, but in a lot of cases you might want to return a different view name from your action, rather than doing some if statement in the view
20:47 < saracen> but it really depends
20:51 < Rayne> saracen, i want to redirect example.com/archive/1 to example.com/ because /archive/1 shows the equal content as example.com/ does
20:51 < Ox42> meh
20:51 < Rayne> Ox42, ?
20:51 < Ox42> <3 Agavi, but Agavi </3 
20:52 < saracen> Rayne: Yeah, if statement seems valid then
20:52 < Rayne> therefor i use this if with (now) "return;"
20:52 < saracen> yeah
20:53 < graste> perfectly SEO'd your app's now :P
20:53 < saracen> dont bother doing setupHtml before the if statement though, do it afterwards
20:53 < Rayne> hehe
20:54 < saracen> Does google not like multiple links pointing to the same page then
20:54 < Ox42> hey, which is better in SEO, /blog/my-post-name or /blog/my-post-name.html ?
20:54 < saracen> ?
20:54 < Rayne> in fact i am no seo but i do not have content twice ;-)
20:54 < Rayne> Ox42, html is so web 1.0
20:54 < graste> it's bad practice to have multiple URLs pointing to the same resource
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20:54 < Rayne> Ox42, as far as i know as non-seo it does not matter
20:54 < graste> it's not that much of a problem usually
20:55 < graste> BUT
20:55 < Ox42> Rayne: Your ... text makes no sense to me.
20:55 < Rayne> Ox42, :P
20:55 < Ox42> :D
20:55 < graste> there've been times where search engines throw things out of their indices when such techniques are used to get a lot of links to all the same pages
20:55 < Ox42> Man, agavi makes me happy and sad at the same time
20:56 < Ox42> why $this->context->getUser()
20:56 < Ox42> not Context::User ?
20:56 < saracen> Ox42: do you watch BSG?
20:56 < saracen> Ox42: There can be multiple contexts, this->getContext() just uses the default one
21:07 < Rayne> saracen, what is bsg?
21:07 < saracen> Battlestar Galactica
21:08 < saracen> The last episode, starbuck mentioned music making her 'happy and sad at the same time'. I thought Ox42 was making a reference to it :P
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21:21 < macen> Ox42: wrong sort of time to be asking such questions, although i bet someone magically turns up now i say that ;)
21:22 < macen> the context is a major part of Agavi but i don't think it's a class....and calling Context::User doesn't really make sense...
21:23 < macen> also i use getContext(), i think context-> is set through some wrapper..tend not to see it so much
21:23 < digitarald> Ox42: if you really, *really* want you can AgaviContext::getInstance()->getUser(), but if you need that think about redesigning your approach
21:24 < digitarald> I also usually use ->context ... I avoid the getters when there are public properties
21:24 < saracen> Yeah, like i previously mentioned, you can have multiple contexts, so it can't be treated as a singleton
21:24 < digitarald> it can ;)
21:25 < digitarald> since the context does not change during one process
21:25 < digitarald> only problem is, that it uses the default context during getInstance
21:25 < digitarald> not the "current" one
21:26 < digitarald> ergo: if you use the console and web is default, it fails
21:26 < saracen> What do you mean it doesn't change? You could probably have two different contexts running at the same time, no?
21:26 < digitarald> for example?
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21:27 < digitarald> I usually think in console vs. web
21:27 < Ox42> No, i was just wondering...
21:27 < Ox42> Because... user should be stored in a session, so Session::user or whatever..
21:27 < macen> sample app uses both ->context and getContext-> according to grep
21:27 < saracen> Well, it would be a weird case, but you could have an email context, so email handling has it's own controller.
21:28 < macen> heh :)
21:28 < macen> they say User Object isn't a session.... :) but i think of it as one atm...
21:28 < digitarald> Ox42: not everything is session based
21:28 < digitarald> console calls are not a session
21:28 < Ox42> ...
21:28 < digitarald> user is a user, session is just a data holder and can be everything
21:29 < Ox42> yes
21:29 < gigi> I got an unusual error today. It was in the cache directory so I just removed all cached files and the error went away.
21:29 < digitarald> session::get('authenticated') ... that could be a "user" too
21:29 < Ox42> but, most people would use $_SESSION['user_id'] = $user->id;
21:30 < gigi> it was supposedly a "syntax error"
21:30 < digitarald> Ox42: what framework did u use before?
21:30 < Ox42> But, build that into a framework, Session::User = $user;
21:30 < Ox42> digitarald: my own
21:30 < digitarald> agavi does not use singletons, every toolbox knows the context and is therefore attached to it
21:30 < digitarald> or is attached to the action container
21:30 < Ox42> What do you guys normally call your views?
21:30 < Ox42> like, for a signup
21:31 < digitarald> SignupView ;)
21:31 < macen> $this->getContext()->getUser()->setAttribute('user_id','foobar','org.foobar.etc') maybe
21:31 < Ox42> I should have Success and... Form? Input?
21:31 < macen> yes SignupInput as well
21:32 < digitarald> Ox42: if you want an easy access use something like ... *pasting*
21:33 < Ox42> _clean slate_ http://lolbook.net/
21:33 < digitarald> Ox42: http://paste.mootools.net/m7c021783
21:34 < Ox42> hmmmmm
21:34 < macen> Ox42: what IDE do you use? have you got code completion running?
21:34 < digitarald> see what I mean?
21:34 < Ox42> macen: nope
21:34 < Ox42> I use e
21:35 < macen> e?
21:35 < Ox42> mmh
21:35 < Ox42> m
21:36 < Ox42> http://impoll.org/damn.PNG
21:37 < digitarald> lolbook?
21:37 < Ox42> :)
21:39 < aka> hahaha
21:40 < digitarald> active code completition and a baseview/action like I pasted, and it works great. saves a lot of time
21:41 < Ox42> i dont have code completion
21:41 < Ox42> i have yet to find a good a.) framework and b.) IDE
21:41 < digitarald> I use eclipse, it does the job ... that means its not the perfect solution
21:42 < aka> PDT 2.0 is so much better than 1.x
21:42 < digitarald> agavi is the best solution, it does the job and more :)
21:42 < aka> I switched to PDT once 2.0 was released
21:42 < digitarald> oh, do I have it?
21:42 < digitarald> ok, 1.03
21:42 < _cheerios> Q: how to control the actual filename given for the View when using the agavi tool? I've modified the templates, but I need the name to follow the custom template naming conventions too.
21:42 < aka> man PDT2 is so much better, it was released like a month ago
21:43 < macen> http://downloads.zend.com/studio-eclipse/6.1.1/ZendStudioForEclipse-6.1.1.dmg
21:43 < macen> "cleaner" eclipse pdt
21:43 < macen> but zend :)
21:43 < aka> how so?
21:43 < aka> haha yeah
21:43 < macen> well...nice logos...etc
21:43 < aka> it is PDT though?
21:43 < macen> yes
21:43 < aka> like same code or it is their version?
21:43 < macen> different plugins
21:43 < digitarald> 2.0 sounds great
21:43 < aka> ahh
21:44 < digitarald> *click*
21:44 < macen> generally it's configuration mostly 
21:44 < macen> javascript stuff as well
21:44 < macen> and phpdoc, stuff like that
21:44 < aka> yeah 
21:44 < digitarald> redracer will be done in 1 some days with pdt 2.0
21:45 < aka> man IE is once again sucking hours of my life :(
21:47 < MikeSeth> yarr
21:47 < MikeSeth> hello all the new people
21:48 < graste> Netbeans!
21:48 < graste> <:
21:50 < aka> sup MikeSeth 
21:50 < MikeSeth> did I walk into a flamewar?
21:50 < MikeSeth> and BTW PDT 2.0 is excellent
21:50 < MikeSeth> a little unpolished and inconsistent
21:50 < MikeSeth> but overall fine
21:51 < digitarald> running Update Manager
21:53 < aka> Mike it kinda looked like it but this is one of the few times we all talked in a civilized manner about the IDE of our choice
21:54 < aka> I feel like a pussy for not attacking anyone... but hey it's Sunday
21:54 < MikeSeth> well this is more or less civilised society here
21:55 < digitarald> MikeSeth: how can you comment on all those reddit comments without having the urgent feeling to stab them in the eye?
21:55 < MikeSeth> digitarald: because reddit is the world capital of anal retentive
21:55 < asonge> don't you guys know? xml is dead.
21:55 < asonge> get with the program!
21:56 < MikeSeth> i dont get the yaml craze
21:56 < MikeSeth> it's really an useless format
21:56 < digitarald> its like humans think
21:56 < digitarald> ... unstructured
21:56 < asonge> well, if it was standardized to tabs only or something
21:56 < asonge> then it might be usable
21:56 < MikeSeth> dont take it personally rald
21:57 < MikeSeth> reddit is shit to everyone
21:57 < Ox42> For a slot, can you name it anything?
21:57 < MikeSeth> all the time
21:57 < Ox42> like, the action
21:57 < Ox42> the default says Widgets.Navigation
21:57 < MikeSeth> Ox42: whatever the array allows as index
21:57 < digitarald> is rald me? ... oh
21:57 < asonge> Ox42: that's the action name for the slot
21:57 < MikeSeth> your name isn't really rald? O_O
21:57 < MikeSeth> i somehow thought it was
21:57 < Ox42> asonge: but, for my sidebar, it should just be... Sidebar? and return isSimple ?
21:57 < digitarald> mh ... no
21:58 < MikeSeth> Ox42: isSimple is really intended for static content, because simple actions dont have validation or security checks applied to them
21:58 < asonge> Ox42: yeah, if your action is in actions/SidebarAction.class.php
21:58 < Ox42> MikeSeth: well, my sidebar is either Links to nav stuff, or a login box
21:58 < digitarald> I don't use reddit/digg/myspace/reddit ... I'm very unsocial :(
21:59 < Ox42> depending on fi you are logged in
21:59 < MikeSeth> Ox42: then you don't want it to be a simple action
21:59 < asonge> anyone know of a WKB parser for php that's worth a damn?
22:00 < MikeSeth> wkb = ?
22:00 < impl> what's WKB?
22:00 < asonge> well known binary...it's a format for geospatial data
22:00 < aka> me also wonders
22:01 < MikeSeth> never heard of it
22:01 < asonge> it's the binary storage of postgis
22:01 < impl> asonge: why are you working with geospatial data now
22:02 < impl> it seems like your job changes every week
22:02 < asonge> impl: for fun.
22:02 < impl> oh. :P
22:02 < asonge> geospatial shit is so challenging sometimes
22:02 < aka> now taht is a job I would love
22:02 < aka> You ahve 40 hours a week to have fun
22:02 < aka> $100k/yr
22:02 < asonge> oh man, i wish
22:04 < Ox42> ohmygod
22:04 < Ox42> it worked???
22:04 < impl> work for LEGO
22:04 < impl> that would be such an awesome job
22:04 < aka> what about Lego Land?
22:04 < aka> you ever heard of that joint
22:04 < asonge> impl: toying with making a combo strategy/mmorpg with a GIST backend
22:04 < impl> aka: of course
22:04 < Ox42> so, for a sidebar... I should have my function be execute() right?
22:04 < impl> I hear it's crap
22:04 < impl> the US one anyway
22:05 < aka> my nephew and nieces would whoop that ass if they heard that
22:05 < impl> lawl
22:05 < aka> and my lil brother got his drivers license that he swears it leagal in all states
22:05 < aka> there
22:05 < aka> It is right here in Cali
22:05 < aka> I drove by it today when i went to the ebach
22:05 < impl> Nice
22:05 < aka> For little kids it is sweet
22:05 < aka> for 18 year old college students... not so much
22:05 < aka> wait you are 18 right?
22:06 < impl> We don't have any amusement parks here, just huge research buildings :(
22:06 < impl> yeah
22:06 < aka> k
22:06 < asonge> impl: dollywood and that bibleland are right across in tennessee :P
22:06 < aka> hahaha
22:06 < impl> D:
22:06 < aka> I used to live less than amile from Dollyy's house
22:06 < aka> never saw her :(
22:06 < aka> but I drove by her house a lot and everytime looked for some mounds
22:07 < asonge> lol
22:07 < impl> :D
22:08 < aka> the closest I have been to seeing Dolly's rack is here in cali driving by San Onofre power plant
22:08 < Ox42> I wish agavi came with an ORM
22:08 < Ox42> then it would be awesome
22:08  * asonge hits Ox42 on the head 5 times
22:08 < aka> hahaha
22:08 < aka> hahahahaha
22:08 < aka> i am seriously lol'n harder than Stalin
22:08 < aka> that was awesome asonge 
22:09 < asonge> i almost typed /kb because i thought i was in the other channel
22:09 < aka> ;)
22:09 < Ox42> :( What did I doooo?
22:09 < asonge> said something stupid
22:09 < digitarald> btw MikeSeth, it's "Harald"
22:09 < impl> if our topic weren't so full of shit
22:09 < MikeSeth> digitarald: Harald it is, sir! :D
22:09 < impl> I would topic that
22:09 < digitarald> g'nite, folks
22:10 < impl> but Wombert is a topic whoar
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22:10 < MikeSeth> Ox42: we all oppose including ORM into the framework
22:10 < Ox42> O.o why?
22:10 < Ox42> i meant... some type of DB support
22:10 < impl> Because nobody agrees what the best ORM is, or whether an ORM should be used at all
22:10 < MikeSeth> you have enough support to do whatever you want
22:10 < MikeSeth> Agavi manages configuration & connections for you
22:11 < MikeSeth> everything else is application specific - not a framework problem
22:12 < graste> Ox42: you can use whatever ORM you like
22:12 < graste> Agavi supports all of them (I'd say)
22:13  * graste wonders if someone tried to use Agavi with something like Hibernate as an ORM :D
22:13 < Ox42> mmhm
22:13 < impl> Ox42: Whenever you're feeling smart, just remember the NY Times article
22:14 < aka> Ox42: You need to just figure out how to use your favorite ORM (which I don't think you have one yet) with agavi once and you will see how easy it is
22:14 < aka> hahaha impl
22:14 < aka> hahaha
22:14 < aka> I need to make a link with a shorter url and when someone is acting liek that write on a piece of paper and fold it up and hand it to that person
22:14 < aka> and say this site will really help you
22:14 < MikeSeth> wat
22:14 < aka> understand yourself
22:15 < impl> MikeSeth: http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/health/011800hth-behavior-incompetents.html
22:16 < Ox42> Ok, so... to use a slot I have to... define the slot in my view?
22:16 < graste> hehe
22:17 < graste> most probably
22:17 < graste> $this->getLayer('content')->setSlot('slotname', $this->createSlotContainer('ModuleName', 'Some.Action', array('param' => 'value'), 'html'));
22:17 < Ox42> graste: yeah, I saw that
22:17 < Ox42> But, I dont need params right now.
22:17 < graste> you don't need to specify them
22:18 < Ox42> Shouldnt I just be able to set a template in the View and hav eit...
22:18 < Ox42> do it?
22:18 < graste> you can set different templates in your view of course
22:18 < Rayne> has agavi an paginator feature?
22:18 < aka> I can't wait till I start diving head first into agavi in a month or two and Ox42 is helping me... it will be the saddest part of my life :(
22:18 < impl> haha.
22:18 < Ox42> lol aka
22:18 < Ox42> :)
22:18 < impl> Rayne: No, not built-in
22:19 < Ox42> *headdesk*
22:19 < MikeSeth> oh
22:19 < MikeSeth> dear
22:20 < MikeSeth> i remember THAT article
22:20 < graste> Rayne: no, but you could define a reusable slot (takes some params) for outputting pagination links and get those current page etc thingys from PropelPager or similar ;)
22:20 < Ox42> <slot name="sidebar" module="Default" action="Sidebar" />
22:20 < Ox42> getDefaultView returns 'NotLoggedIn'
22:20 < Ox42> SidebarNotLoggedInView.class.php
22:20 < Ox42> Sets template to "SignupLogin";
22:21 < Ox42> *SidebarLogin
22:21 < Ox42> But nothing happens :|
22:21 < graste> define nothing
22:21 < graste> ^^
22:21 < Ox42> Ah, http://lolbook.net
22:21 < Ox42> "nothing in the sidebar"
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22:23 < Ox42> and in my Master template I have <?php echo !empty($slots['sidebar'])? $slots['sidebar'] : ""; ?>
22:24 < aka> why not just echo it?  Not saying that is wrong but what is the advantage to that check?
22:24 < Ox42> aka: just... what I saw in the docs
22:24 < aka> ahh... for notices I bet
22:24 < graste> exactly aka
22:25 < Ox42> well, either way it does nothing
22:25 < aka> var dump slots :D
22:25 < aka> I var dump the shit out of stuff!
22:25 < graste> can break your layout if it happens in slots somewhere in your nice page design when you don't notice the error ;)
22:25 < Ox42> array(0) { } 
22:26 < aka> so your aren't getting $slots
22:26 < Ox42> so, slots not getting assigned...
22:26 < aka> how are you setting $slots ?
22:26 < graste> you sure your views etc get called like you expect them to be called?
22:26 < aka> right
22:26 < Ox42> graste: I guess not.
22:26 < Ox42> Agavi is messing with my head
22:27 < Ox42> <slot name="sidebar" module="Default" action="Sidebar" />
22:27 < Ox42> its like its never getting executed...
22:27 < saracen> die('executed') in the action?
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22:27 < graste> getDefaultView is not used by default when you have execute* methods with return values
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22:28 < Ox42> graste: I dont...
22:28 < graste> then die() somewhere :P
22:28 < Ox42> I removed them from SidebarAction.class.php
22:28 < Ox42> yeah, its not getting called
22:28 < saracen> impl: Do you speak to lucas at all elsewhere?
22:28 < impl> saracen: No :(
22:28 < Ox42> die("got there"); in defaultView doesnt do anything :|
22:29 < saracen> impl: His mum died on wednesday =(
22:29 < impl> saracen: Yeah, I know, god told me
22:29 < graste> do you have an execute* method?
22:29 < impl> Euthanized, though
22:29 < saracen> Ah =(. First time I've seen him in the channel for a bit, he just told me. And yeah
22:29 < saracen> Just thought maybe nobody had told you :P
22:30 < impl> :>
22:30 < Ox42> graste: nope
22:34 < Ox42> That is the right way to define a slot, correct?
22:37 < graste> just pastie.org your code or whatever
22:37 < graste> return 'Success' in getDefaultView() and create SidebarSuccessView.class.php in Default module with correct Default_SidebarSuccessView class name etc. should help usually
22:38 < Ox42> hmm
22:38 < aka> I kinda want a high contrast color theme for PDT, anyone know if there are color scheme packs for Eclipse (or more specifically for PDT2) ?
22:38 < aka> I can't seem to find any
22:38 < impl> dunno, you should use emacs though
22:38 < graste> hahahaha
22:38 < graste> VI!
22:38 < graste> <:
22:39 < Ox42> graste: Yeah, I tried that. It never even gets to SidebarAction
22:39 < impl> http://cynigram.com/~nfontes/emacs-20081207-0.png wats that you say, emacs?
22:39 < impl> look at that high-contrast excellence
22:39 < aka> hahaha
22:40 < graste> nice theme
22:40 < impl> thanks, it's the default
22:40 < aka> hahaha
22:40 < aka> nice ass
22:40 < graste> ^^
22:40 < impl> (well, okay, the default has a white background)
22:40 < aka> hey impl I been meaning to talk to you about a joint venture
22:40 < aka> LET'S WRITE A CHILDREN'S FAIRYTALE!
22:41 < impl> like, with penis pumps?
22:41 < saracen> I can get it published
22:41 < aka> yeah... I want these books to teach children stuff they don't know
22:41 < aka> I know when I was a kid I didn't, err wouldn't have known about them
22:41 < aka> thanks dad ;(
22:41 < aka> he called them "Experiments"
22:42 < impl> lawl
22:42 < impl> I wouldn't have known about them, either
22:42 < impl> ...thanks #php
22:42 < aka> hahaha
22:42 < saracen> My dad told me everything, too much infact
22:42  * aka wonders if horros, asonge, you and me being in here is going to toxify this channel
22:43 < aka> ohh and saracen 
22:43 < saracen> fuck you
22:43 < impl> I didn't learn anything about sex from my parents. All from #php.
22:43 < saracen> sorry, thats a reaction to somebody i dont know mentioning my name as if they know me
22:43 < aka> saracen: my dad knew I didn't learn by sight... I am more a person that learns by smell and fell
22:43 < impl> aka: well, saracen was here first :P
22:43 < aka> feel
22:43 < aka> I mean people from #php all being in here
22:43 < impl> yeah, saracen was here before he was in #php
22:44 < aka> ahhh
22:44 < saracen> Yeah, I'm new to php
22:44 < aka> well he wanted to publish the book... soooo
22:44 < saracen> I would have left, but you've got a female in the channel
22:44 < aka> I figured he was a vetrine
22:44 < saracen> I just cant get that here
22:44 < impl> he's from my crew of trolls, aka
22:44 < aka> saracen: Ox42 pretty damn close
22:44 < saracen> If you hadn't noticed =)
22:44 < aka> impl you know how I feel about trolls
22:44 < impl> You want to bang them?
22:44 < aka> go on
22:44 < saracen> We're awesome, we know.
22:45 < aka> yeah saracen cause I have never trolled ever
22:45 < impl> Harder, better, faster, stronger
22:45 < aka> lets get something straight I invented the double reverse backhand troll
22:45 < aka> DO IT!
22:45 < saracen> If you were a troll, impl would have recruited you
22:45 < saracen> I havnt seen you at maincon
22:45 < aka> god damnit I hate how the beach leave sand in my hair... now I ahve to shower (something I try to avoid at all costs)  :( 
22:46 < aka> so impl is the only troller?
22:46 < aka> troll camp
22:46 < impl> I don't recruit people
22:46 < impl> fuck that
22:46 < impl> that's effort
22:46 < saracen> WHAT? As if
22:46 < aka> impl you don't think I can troll :(
22:46 < saracen> The place if now full of #phpers
22:46 < saracen> I didnt realise it until I joined
22:46 < aka> fuck groceries are here and I am the big man in teh house
22:46 < aka> fuck this
22:46 < saracen> BUt i know half the channel
22:46 < aka> brb
22:46 < impl> omg
22:47 < impl> you are so full of shit
22:47 < saracen> How so?!
22:47 < impl> I didn't even invite infralite, another guy did
22:47 < saracen> "another guy"
22:47 < impl> yeah
22:47 < impl> his name was Hexagram
22:47 < impl> and he smoked a lot of weed
22:47 < impl> like A LOT.
22:47 < saracen> Oh, Hexagram
22:47 < saracen> Wait, who invited Hexagram?
22:47 < saracen> He was the worst recruit ever
22:47 < impl> Aegeon
22:47 < saracen> You responsible for that?
22:47 < impl> lawl
22:47 < saracen> WHAT
22:48 < impl> yeah they were like neighbors
22:48 < impl> or something
22:48 < saracen> So who invited you?!
22:48 < impl> I came with the Christians4Gentoo troll
22:48 < Ox42> (*sigh*)
22:49 < saracen> impl: But who invited you? =(
22:49 < impl> Nobody
22:49 < impl> The Christians4Gentoo site had a link to the IRC channel
22:49 < saracen> I mean, I was there since the beginning of time. I'm not technically a troll, although Jewbuntu was a good name...
22:49 < impl> does anyone monitor the Jewbuntu site?
22:50 < impl> I wonder how many downloads of Jewbuntu 7.10 we've had
22:50 < saracen> No idea
22:50 < saracen> is it even hosted @ derrida?
22:51 < impl> yeah it is
22:52 < saracen> cat: /var/log/apache2/access.log: Permission denied
22:52 < saracen> =(
22:58 < aka> you guys are pussy ass trolls
22:58 < aka> I used to hang with timecop
23:00 < aka> "The Gay Nigger Association of America is probably the most obscure trolling organization on Earth. Their mission is to defend the civil rights of all men of both African and homosexual..."
23:01 < impl> I know Jmax fairly well, aka
23:02 < Rayne> lol
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23:08 < Rayne> n8 guys
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23:54 < Wombert> nom
23:54 < nfq> Wombert: yo
23:55 < nfq> Wombert: I got a guy here in MooTools.. he's a good dev. And he's saying why he thinks Symfony's form validation are so much better than Agavi's
23:56 < Wombert> funny
23:56 < Wombert> :>
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00:01 < Ox42> where?
00:04 < Wombert> don't bother
00:04 < Wombert> he's annoying
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00:06 < Ox42> lol
00:17 < impl> nfq: why is it?
00:17 < impl> I've never used Symfony's, so
00:18 < nfq> impl: well, there was a discussion going on why this one dev thinks agavi's way of dealing with forms sucks
00:18 < nfq> and I can only argue so far
00:18 < nfq> But Wombert told him.. I also think this dev, who's actually great, didn't research Agavi well enough
00:19 < Wombert> it doesn't really matter
00:24 < impl> I'm just curious what the argument is
00:31 < Ox42> sooo, back to agavi
00:32 < saracen> back to your mums place
00:32 < saracen> Wombert: http://www.fiveturns.org/meet_the_bottle/
00:32 < saracen> because I found it funny =(
00:35 < Ox42> Anyone new here want to diagnose why my slot is never getting called
00:35 < Ox42> ?
00:36 < Wombert> you have ~60s before I hit the sack
00:37 < Ox42> http://pastie.org/404196
00:37 < Ox42> but Sidebar action is never called.
00:40 < Ox42> no?
00:41 < saracen> And you've put a die() in the action to make sure it isnt being executed?
00:44 < Wombert> are you loading the "wrapped" layout?
00:44 < Wombert> are you outputting the slot content in your decorator template?
00:47 < Ox42> sure.
00:47 < saracen> Youre def. loading the wrapped layout, and not just the default?
00:48 < Ox42> im not sure. I just used Master as my template, put $inner in it and it just worked
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00:48 < Ox42> OHHH
00:48 < Ox42> <_< I get it
00:49 < saracen> The standard one is probably being loaded, if youve edited nothing else :P
00:49 < Ox42> but, now I get unknown layout "slot"
00:49 < saracen> You see the one called simple? Just duplicate it can call it slot
00:50 < saracen> as you can see, you havent got one called slot, thats where layouts are defined
00:51 < asonge> saracen: is #php going to corrupt you?
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00:52 < Ox42> uh, saracen: why was I ignoring you??
00:52 < saracen> asonge: How so?
00:53 < asonge> saracen: it's a huge waste of time there full of preverts and their preversions.
00:54 < saracen> asonge: I dont know why I'm not banned yet, I've been trying pretty hard.
00:54 < asonge> i can fix that
00:54 < saracen> no, dont
00:54 < asonge> but that's what you want
00:54 < asonge> so
00:54 < saracen> Well, it appears to have led to one decent thing
00:54 < asonge> what's that?
00:55 < saracen> Talking to somebody about graphic design. I need an informal designer I can chuck work at
00:55 < asonge> ah
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00:56 < saracen> Ox42: I was on ignore?
00:56 < saracen> =(
00:56 < Ox42> saracen: you were...
00:56 < asonge> you know, agavi doesn't really have the highest adoption out of the list of frameworks, but i like how this channel is active enough
00:56 < saracen> I don't know why. I might have abused you in #php, I should keep a list.
00:56 < Ox42> hey asonge!
00:56 < Ox42> saracen: probably ;)
00:56 < Ox42> But... Why is 'slot' undefined?
00:57 < Ox42> http://lolbook.net shows the error
00:57 < asonge> Ox42: because it is.
00:57 < Ox42> <slots>
00:57 < saracen> Maybe so we could have this conversation, which would lead to you understanding how slots are defined.
00:57 < saracen> No. 'slot' as in the layout isnt defined.
00:57 < Ox42> oh
00:57 < Ox42> Ok, lets converse :)
00:57 < asonge> ugh. why does this system have to give the option on if it's big-endian or little-endian to the first 2 bytes on the system
00:57 < saracen> You can see the 'simple' _layout_ is defined.
00:57 < Ox42> mmhm
00:58 < saracen> just copy it and change its name to slot :P
00:58 < Ox42> heh really?
00:58 < asonge> i have to have 2 versions of this reader now
00:58 < asonge> one for little endian and one for big endian
00:58 < Ox42> ohgawd saracen: it blew up
00:58 < saracen> My work here is done!
00:59 < Ox42> wait, i fixed it :P
01:00 < Ox42> HOLY crap
01:00 < asonge> is there some type of function to reverse the endian-ness of an integer dynamically?
01:00 < Ox42> ohmygod ohmygod
01:00 < Ox42> I did it :)
01:00 < saracen> asonge: In what?
01:00 < saracen> What is it youre doing? =(
01:01 < asonge> parsing "well known binary"...it's the vector format postgis uses
01:01 < aka> man Ox42 you should stop mentioning Agavi in #php, it will turn people off to it
01:01 < asonge> aka: plus, we have to be selective to the audience, man.
01:01 < saracen> asonge: Abd I assume you're doing this in PHP? ;x
01:01 < saracen> and*
01:01 < asonge> saracen: yes
01:01 < saracen> asonge: How are you reading the data at the moment?
01:01 < Ox42> aka: yeah, i will do
01:01 < aka> For example: * Ox40 holds out his hand, a large "AGAVI" ring encircles his finger
01:01 < aka> wtf
01:01 < asonge> saracen: i'm making a massively multiplayer real time strategy game for idiots who donate $20/mo to these types of sites.
01:01 < aka> hahaha
01:02 < asonge> saracen: right now? i'm editing layers in QGis
01:02 < MrJeep_> anyone knows a good way in javascript to make a 'onValueChanged' event on a textbox ?
01:02 < saracen> No, but how are you reading it in PHP? unpack() or wut?
01:02 < aka> MrJeep_: you want on anytime someone presses a key?
01:02 < asonge> MrJeep_: you've got to keydown/keyup/keypress for that, honestly
01:02 < aka> yeah
01:03 < asonge> MrJeep_: onchange only works when you lose focus
01:03 < MrJeep_> does not work very well with right-click -> paste
01:03 < aka> unless you are talking about change when they lose focus
01:03  * asonge > aka
01:03 < asonge> saracen: i'll probably be using unpack for that, yeah
01:03 < MrJeep_> this is the keypress problem
01:03 < asonge> saracen: i recently wrote something that ripped the address book off the blackberry backup data format.
01:03 < saracen> asonge: Youre not making sense =(
01:03 < aka> asonge: f u
01:04 < asonge> saracen: but yeah, the endian-ness is determined by the first byte on the bit of data
01:04 < asonge> i swapped my bits and bytes
01:04 < saracen> Oh i see, that was their fix for having it on multiple systems lol?
01:04 < asonge> yeah
01:04 < asonge> http://edndoc.esri.com/arcsde/9.1/general_topics/wkb_representation.htm
01:05 < saracen> Thats bad, usually they check the endianness and keep to one specific format, but converting it on some systems
01:05 < asonge> right
01:05 < asonge> like "assume all values are little-endian"
01:05 < asonge> but no
01:05 < saracen> asonge: I'd just make my own bytebuffer in PHP, tbh
01:05 < asonge> you've got to look at the starting *bit* of every batch of data
01:05 < asonge> i think i can do some binary ops to swap endianness, no?
01:07 < asonge> i could just make a php class for every enum
01:07 < saracen> Err, pretty sure you can't. I mean, of course you only need to do one swapBytes function to deal with all 4-byte scenarios
01:07 < saracen> floats, ints etc.
01:07 < asonge> there's only 2 datatypes used
01:07 < saracen> which are?
01:07 < asonge> though, i think i overflow php with the uint32
01:07 < asonge> 32-bit unsigned
01:08 < asonge> php is 32-bit signed
01:08 < saracen> This stuff is so much easier in C++ =)
01:08 < asonge> but i'll just avoid having more than that many vertices in any particular polygon
01:08 < asonge> then it won't be a problem
01:09 < aka> asonge: stop doing advanced shit... way less problems
01:09 < saracen> Whats the other datatype it uses?
01:09 < asonge> double
01:09 < asonge> which is php's standard float
01:09 < asonge> so that one's fine
01:09 < saracen> Yeah, so you'll only need the one byte swap function
01:09 < asonge> as long as i launch on a 64-bit system, i'll be good then too
01:10 < saracen> Just wrap it in custom read methods
01:10 < asonge> yeah
01:10 < asonge> or just ternary the unpack's
01:10 < asonge> i think i might be able to just strtoupper them
01:11 < asonge> i can detect overflow by $int<0, right?
01:12 < asonge> since it's still 32-bit, the really high numbers *should* just show up negative
01:12 < saracen> yeah, as long as all the values from the format are signed :P
01:12 < asonge> (all these polygons will be drawn by hand anyway...and i don't see using *that* many vertices.
01:12 < saracen> Although, how does PHP handle integers when compiled on x64 machines?
01:12 < saracen> Are they still all 32-bit?
01:12 < asonge> they're 64-bit
01:12 < saracen> =(
01:13 < saracen> Oh, wait, thats a good thing. Thats the one time it will work properly :P
01:13 < saracen> on large numbers
01:13 < asonge> lol
01:13 < saracen> you seem to know everything you need to do :P
01:14 < saracen> Ask questions you need an answer for :P
01:14 < asonge> i just have to do it
01:14 < asonge> this is the worst part of programming
01:14 < asonge> actually writing it.
01:14 < saracen> yup =(
01:14 < saracen> Although, when reverse engineers file formats / protocols I generally have fun programming -- as long as its in C++ :P
01:14 < saracen> engineering*
01:15 < asonge> oh, here's one i don't know: i need to run AsBinary() around the field in postgresql but i'm using doctrine...how do you call native funcs in doctrine
01:16 < asonge> also, the origin for WKT/WKB is the bottom left...and then i'll be drawing all these polygons.
01:16 < asonge> where the origin is top left.
01:16 < saracen> Can you not just do AsBinary(?) in the query? ;x
01:20 < saracen> and that sounds like a math problem
01:20 < saracen> and I suck at math
01:21 < saracen> I need to sleep, got to be up at 6, it's already 1:21
01:21 < saracen> =(
01:21 < saracen> NN!
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02:51 < Ox42> meh
02:51 < Ox42> Why does this not work now _-_
02:53 < Ox42> oh nevarmind
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05:53 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:56 < Ox42> what does that mena?
05:56 < Ox42> *mean
05:56 < Ox42> I heard you say it a couple of times before
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05:59 < v-dogg> Ox42: topic ^
06:00 < Ox42> doesnt.. help.
06:02 < Ox42> huomenta Suomi?
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06:03 < v-dogg> Ox42: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
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06:07 < Ox42> Ahhhh
06:07 < Ox42> Huomenta... But im leaving now. 
06:07 < Ox42> atnemouH I guess...
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07:04 < liutis> huomenta
07:24 < aka> huomenta
07:34 < horros> Huomenta.
07:48 < digitarald> Huomenta
07:59 < MikeSeth> huomenta
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08:20 < digitarald> poll: what is the best svn plugin for eclipse?
08:21 < digitarald> I used subclipse for a long time
08:23 < digitarald> MikeSeth?
08:24 < graste_> huomenta
08:24 < digitarald> stackoverflow solved it
08:25 < graste_> what did stackoverflow say?
08:30 < MikeSeth> digitarald: umm
08:30 < digitarald> subversive
08:31 < MikeSeth> digitarald: one sec
08:31 < MikeSeth> uh i dont have it set up on this box
08:31 < MikeSeth> but basically
08:32 < MikeSeth> the latest subversive via its update url *and* you have to choose an svn connector library - the default one is broken
08:32 < MikeSeth> if you only have one in the dropdown list, you gotta install the package with the provider classes
08:32 < MikeSeth> IIRC the only one that works is the native java client (if you want to work with ssh and latest 1.5+ svn repos)
08:36 < digitarald> ok, I installed the java client
08:36 < digitarald> used it with subclipse too
08:36 < digitarald> installation page is outdated, kinda messy to install
08:37 < digitarald> and the svn team provider is not in the ganymed update site
08:37 < digitarald> ok. Mate time
08:37 < digitarald> lost 1 hour updating eclipse ...
08:40 < benschi> yeah, eclipse can be a pain in the arse.
08:41 < benschi> But as subversion client subversive is okay.
08:41 < digitarald> eeek, second "Updated available" today with 30+ items ... they develop damn fast
08:41 < benschi> as much as i noticed there are not big differences between subversive and subclipse
08:41 < digitarald> Saw that too in the screenshots
08:42 < digitarald> Tried ti figure out any differences
08:42 < benschi> there ain't in my opinion. But it seems like subversive integrates a litte better
08:47 < digitarald> lets see if Aptana works nice with 3.4
08:49 < digitarald> mh, PDT JS editor isn't as good as promised
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08:55 < malax> Ohai everyone! :)
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08:57 < digitarald> Huomenta! ;)
08:58 < MikeSeth> PDT still needs some licking tbh
08:58 < MikeSeth> but its already useful
08:59 < digitarald> I'm using it for years already
08:59 < digitarald> there are no real alternatives
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09:00 < MikeSeth> emacs
09:00 < MikeSeth> ;D
09:00 < MikeSeth> also huomenta minna-san
09:00 < benschi> domo argigatoo MikeSeth-sama!
09:00 < Macen_> huomenta !
09:01 < Macen_> ya eclipse only real IDE for me too
09:01 < Macen_> daren't surrender my soul to emacs....
09:02 < benschi> but if you have learned to get along with PDT, emacs, Textmate etc. you should not change, since you'll only put time into it and then notice, hey my old editor did the same thing
09:02 < Macen_> you see TextMate.....liek...ihave it, i use it for xml files, but i don't get it
09:02 < Macen_> how can it replace eclipse o.O
09:03  * graste_ is using netbeans with eclipse shortcuts :P
09:03 < Macen_> eclipse is a little thrown together and does produce random errors when it feels like it
09:04 < Macen_> i tried netbeans briefly...very similar to eclipse
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09:04 < Macen_> except its very much a Java prog
09:04 < Macen_> to my eye....
09:04 < Macen_> very different from what you usually get on os x
09:04 < MikeSeth> and my nose
09:08 < Macen_> indeed
09:09 < hZilla> chaps. does anyone have any advice on best techniques for collecting user behaviour analytics? such as visited pages, downloads, comments general activity, etc.
09:11 < _cheerios> hZilla, google analytics
09:11 < Macen_> I do use www.google.com/analytics
09:11 < MikeSeth> hZilla: google analytics.. or if you absolutely have to have a custom tool, Agavi filters :D
09:11 < Macen_> but i'd prefer to do it myself, the stats monitoring, which i am trying to do with one site, as i have time to spend on it
09:11 < hZilla> yeh i got that but i want more specific user information. i think filters sounds more like it
09:12 < MikeSeth> oh digitarald *now* I see the eclipse updates you were talking about
09:12 < _cheerios> hmm, user-specific, not sure how that'd work out -- everything else you can do
09:13 < _cheerios> had to google to be sure, not possible in GA
09:13 < Macen_> personal details cannot be tracked through google analytics, i've tried. if you append their email for example from an emarketing campaign, then you can see who visited but it obviously brakes a lot of tools graphs (or the url just won't appear)
09:14 < hZilla> yeh i want to do data collection of specfic user behaviour, and also media access frequencies and geoloc etc 
09:14 < hZilla> the nprocess the data and produce 'analytics'
09:14 < hZilla> but specific to my site
09:15 < Macen_> "media access frequencies"...this means the browser connection speed? GA does that. Geoloc, you should be able to get that presuming there's an API.
09:15 < hZilla> no i mean like how many times a stream is listened to and for how long
09:16 < Macen_> page times are calculated too :)
09:16 < Macen_> but you clearly want a custom solution,,
09:16 < hZilla> i was thinking about using an ad serving tool and creating a whole load of 'secret zones' for different areas of the site. then i can offload the anlaytics to that
09:17 < hZilla> and then use its api to pull data back when required
09:17 < Macen_> well there isn't an Analyitcs API so :)
09:17 < Macen_> http://www.google.com/support/analytics/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=55561
09:17 < hZilla> openx?
09:17  * Macen_ shrug, i just google'd it then
09:17 < Macen_> what's that? *interested*
09:17 < hZilla> openx? php ad serving
09:17 < Macen_> ahk
09:17 < Macen_> brb
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09:19 < macen> .
09:21 < graste_> hZilla: if you don't want to use google, you could try Piwik (alternative, that you install to your site) - haven't used it yet and can't tell you the state of the project, but at least it looks not that bad from their demos...
09:22 < graste_> http://piwik.org/
09:30 < _cheerios> i wouln't use anything that hits the db directly for loggin'
09:32 < graste_> yeah, as always it depends on your requirements (and you could always use another box for the stats logging)
09:34 < MikeSeth> digitarald: hey, sqlexplorer > eclipse data tools
09:34 < MikeSeth> you can actually edit triggers! 
09:35 < v-dogg> "Piwik is a PHP MySQL software program that..." 
09:35 < v-dogg> fail
09:36 < v-dogg> when do people learn that no everybody uses müesliql
09:36 < v-dogg> *not
09:37 < macen> surely you have it installed?
09:37 < hZilla> cool. looks like it has an api too
09:38 < hZilla> and it appears to be based on openx or something so they must have had the same idea some time back
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09:41 < v-dogg> macen: no, I do not
09:41 < macen> rly wow
09:42 < macen> and you use PHP obviously
09:42 < macen> that's odd 
09:42 < v-dogg> well ok, a few projects are running on shared hosts and there mysql is of course available
09:42 < v-dogg> but no, on my server I do not have mysql
09:42 < v-dogg> why would I?
09:43 < macen> don't you have roundcube? squirrelmail ?
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09:43 < v-dogg> macen: eh. no. why would I have?
09:44 < macen> webmail
09:44 < v-dogg> webmails... suck
09:44 < v-dogg> madly
09:44 < macen> o.O
09:44 < macen> what about when you are on the road with your laptop and it refuses to send an email?
09:44 < macen> because the host is weird
09:44 < v-dogg> imap
09:44 < macen> imap doesn't send email :p
09:44 < v-dogg> secure smtp
09:44 < macen> ya.. :)
09:45 < macen> i run both the above
09:45 < macen> and atmailopen 
09:46 < macen> i agree though, if they included their own ORM, you could choose what backend to use
09:46 < macen> but meh
09:46 < macen> most changes you are going to make are to the templates and so on
09:47 < v-dogg> ORM or not, you can either abstract with PDO or use adapters
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09:55 < horros> v-dogg: Aren't you supposed to be on your winter vacation?!
09:55 < horros> GO ON, GIT!
09:55 < v-dogg> :)
09:55 < v-dogg> I am!
09:57 < v-dogg> I've spent a good hour outside with Erica riding sledge and walking in the snow
09:57 < v-dogg> had to come inside to rest for a while 
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10:04 < E_mE> huomenta!!!
10:04 < Rayne> huh
10:04 < Rayne> hai guys
10:08 < Wombert> winter vacation?
10:08 < Wombert> <3
10:10 < E_mE> morning Wombert ... get back all okay?
10:10 < E_mE> you tried ze Doooomm?
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10:33 < MikeSeth> actually imap CAN send email
10:33 < MikeSeth> I don't suggest to do that
10:34 < MikeSeth> merely pointing out ;D
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10:36  * pookey moos
10:36 < pookey> morning all!  
10:36 < v-dogg> someone might also argue that running a mailserver (especially with some webmail stuff) on the same server as critical web services might not be a good idea
10:36 < pookey> can someone give me David's email address?
10:36 < v-dogg> david a bitxtender dot com
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10:36 < pookey> v-dogg: some might also argue that almost all peopel running a mail server shoulnd't :)
10:36 < pookey> thanks v-dogg 
10:36 < pookey> hi E_mE 
10:37 < E_mE> yo pookey .... Agavi > Synfomy  ;)
10:37 < pookey> pfft ;)
10:37 < pookey> not what your t-shirt said
10:37 < v-dogg> pookey: sorry, david.zulke@...
10:37 < v-dogg> err..
10:37 < v-dogg> .zuelke@
10:37 < pookey> ok, you'resure? ;)
10:38 < v-dogg> weird germys...
10:38 < v-dogg> yes. david.zuelke@... 
10:38 < pookey> MikeSeth: have you seen me in the t-shirt? 
10:39 < v-dogg> pookey: and regarding running mail servers: I agree and that's why I'm not running one :)
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10:42 < v-dogg> and there he is
10:42  * pookey moos at Wombert 
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10:43 < pookey> Peter was after your mail address, so I gave it to him - I assume that's not a problem?
10:43 < v-dogg> Wombert: why on earth do you use "ue" in your mail address?
10:43 < Wombert> wat hapen, pookey
10:43 < Wombert> v-dogg: ?
10:43 < Wombert> pookey: that's cool
10:44 < v-dogg> Wombert: david.zuelke
10:44 < Wombert> v-dogg: ü = ue in german
10:44 < Wombert> ä = ae
10:44 < Wombert> and so forth
10:44 < v-dogg> no-one converts them like that in mail addresses! :D
10:44 < v-dogg> mäkinen = makinen
10:44 < Wombert> I am german, so I do :p
10:44 < horros> maekinen!
10:44 < v-dogg> zülke => zulke
10:44 < Wombert> yeah, that's the rule in finnish ;) not in german
10:45 < MikeSeth> pookey: no. Lookink sexy? :D
10:45 < v-dogg> and you keep calling us weirdos...
10:45 < Wombert> but good point there. I shall register those
10:45 < MikeSeth> also hay guise
10:46 < pookey> Wombert: you uploaded the picture yet?
10:46 < v-dogg> horros: you don't seriously mean that, do you?! 
10:46 < pookey> MikeSeth: I always look sexy! *cough*
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10:50 < horros> v-dogg: mækinen!
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10:50 < E_mE> Wombert_: you seen your picture of flickr yet??
10:52 < Wombert_> sure
10:52  * Wombert_ &
10:52 -!- Wombert_ is now known as Wombert
10:54 < MikeSeth> URLS
10:54 < MikeSeth> NAO
10:57 < E_mE> one sec michalc 
10:57 < E_mE> MikeSeth: 
10:57 < E_mE> sorry michalc 
10:57 < E_mE> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/phpuk2009/
11:06 < macen> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mamchenkov/3320054075/ <-- lols
11:08 < macen> i think everybody here has to resign to the fact that at *some* point they have contributed to the 90% statistic...unless they learnt another language first....
11:12 < macen> maybe not Wombert ;)
11:12 < _cheerios> what "90% statistic" ?
11:12 < macen> see the image
11:12 < _cheerios> it didn't make sense, and there was some ugly douchebag on it too, closed it kwik
11:13 < Wombert> it's Stefan Koopmanschap
11:13 < Wombert> a very nice guy
11:13 < Wombert> and he's wearing an Agavi t-shirt, if you watch closely
11:13 < macen> "<pookey> PHP is a fucking filthy horrible language in 90% of usecases."
11:13  * Wombert &
11:14 < _cheerios> faster loops and arrays and i'd be happier
11:19 < ttj> Ooh... Where can we get Agavi shirts?
11:29 < MikeSeth> i swear to god
11:29 < MikeSeth> next year im going to phpuk to TROLL
11:29 < MikeSeth> (also there's no god)
11:35 < E_mE> why you say that MikeSeth 
11:35 < E_mE> ?
11:35 < E_mE> =P
11:37 < horros> I should troll the agile development conf
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11:43 < Wombert> MikeSeth: they actually tried to track you down
11:43 < Wombert> but didn't manage to
11:43 < Wombert> as a PR stunt
11:43 < Wombert> "THE HECKLER IS BACK"
11:45 < MikeSeth> Wombert: they who?
11:45 < MikeSeth> E_mE: because I can :D
11:45 < E_mE> people did ask after you
11:46 < E_mE> where is the crazy guy hehe
11:46 < E_mE> though Wombert did some hecklering heheh
11:46 < Wombert> no not really
11:46 < Wombert> I actually supported stefan
11:47 < Wombert> well and the sebastian bergmann talk thing
11:47 < MikeSeth> Wombert: did you do a promo for 1.0 on the conf?
11:47 < Wombert> I really have no idea why you brits think of this as heckling
11:47 < Wombert> in germany, it's normal and okay to do
11:47 < Wombert> it's basically discussing things
11:47 < Wombert> really no clue what all that is about tbh
11:47 < Wombert> MikeSeth: you bet
11:47 < Wombert> MikeSeth: symfony people were wearing agavi tshirts and stuffs
11:48 < Wombert> I will post some blog thing or so tonight
11:48 < Wombert> when I have time
11:48 < Wombert> not now
11:48  * Wombert &
11:48 < E_mE> hehe :)
11:51 < macen> it's rude
11:51 < macen> obvioussslllyyy
11:51 < macen> hence they give it a name called heckling :)
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11:53 < macen> personally i feel the direct approach is always best
11:53 < macen> but hey ho
11:53  * macen lunch
11:56 < digitarald> oh, Wombert in business outfit without agavi shirt ... you should make one with "developer" on the back
11:57 < Wombert> it's not rude
11:57 < digitarald> good idea to make them red, very easy to find them on flick
11:58 < Wombert> someone next to me (nik) asked the question if building traits support wouldn't make it easy to add a generic preprocessor to agavi
11:58 < Wombert> err, php
11:58 < Wombert> and then he said "maybe"
11:58 < Wombert> and I took the mic and offered him beer
11:59 < PyroBilly> traits implementation baffling tbh
11:59 < digitarald> oh I *love* it ... http://virtualwolf.org/images/ars/helpdeskwarning.png
12:00 < PyroBilly> Would have been more useful if it had arrived prior to LSB
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12:01 < Wombert> lunch
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12:33 < E_mE> yo PyroBilly :)  was great to meet you :)
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13:05 < PyroBilly> I've been having burge withdrawals
13:05 < PyroBilly> Let me know how you get on with that hot sauce too
13:07 < _cheerios> has anyone setup lucene before for search?
13:15 < trophaeum> _cheerios, use sphinx, iv used zend lucene, it gets slow at times, sphinx just blows it to shreds on both index and search performance
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13:17 < _cheerios> that's a zend lucene problem
13:20 < trophaeum> put it this way, index time for sphinx on 238k records of text with an attribute, 2mins, index time for zend lucene on 50k records of very simple titles, over 20mins
13:21 < trophaeum> search time on 238k records in sphinx, 2ms
13:21 < trophaeum> search time in lucene with zend on 50k records, seconds
13:22 < trophaeum> decide for yourself but sphinx is the best option by a LOT
13:22 < _cheerios> sure, but you don't need to use zend's code to work with lucene, what i was aiming at :)
13:22 < trophaeum> java? lol
13:23 < trophaeum> argue all u like but its php vs c
13:24 < trophaeum> sphinx is insane, i love it
13:24 < MikeSeth> in soviet russia databases search you
13:25 < _cheerios> trophaeum, have you tried solr, or xapian?
13:26 < trophaeum> no, no, sphinx has a pecl module
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13:34 < horros> GAH
13:34  * horros goes insane with AgaviXmlConfigHandler
13:35  * horros storms out for a smoke
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13:39 < aka> Huomenta
13:39 < aka> sup horros 
13:41  * horros makes 'tard sounds at self
13:42 < aka> MFer!
13:48 < horros> WHY IS MY DOMNODELIST EMPTY?!?
13:48  * horros breaks down and cries
13:49 < _cheerios> trophaeum, sphinx does sound ok; has the live updates worked out fine?
13:49 < trophaeum> yea, had no issues with updates as yet
13:49 < trophaeum> and since your using mysql the delta stuff with the replace into query will work well for u
13:58 < Wombert> horros: right namespace?
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14:07 < MrJeep> having a weird bug here
14:08 < MrJeep> I have a slot which only gets executed on development environment
14:10 < MrJeep> I looked for the "validation strict mode"
14:10 < MrJeep> the mode is still strict in both prod and dev env
14:11 < MrJeep> as for the action class
14:11 < MrJeep> only initialize is called
14:11 < MrJeep> but not execute() as well as both handle*Error
14:11 < MrJeep> rings a bell ?
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14:14 < Xylakant> huomenta
14:14  * horros slaps xinclude
14:14  * horros slaps xpointer
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14:16 < MrJeep> Wombert: do you have a min ?
14:16 < Wombert> nope MrJeep 
14:16 < Wombert> sorry
14:16 < MrJeep> :S
14:18 < MrJeep> could a slot be skipped on production env ?
14:18 < MrJeep> anyone ...
14:19 < MrJeep> I have a slot and execute() never gets called on production env
14:19 < MrJeep> as well as handle*Error()
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14:21 < bleachy1> MrJeep: Sounds like the slot is cached on the prod environment, and therefore never executed
14:21 < MrJeep> :o
14:25  * horros grumbles and curses
14:27 < E_mE> Wombert: did you tastie the doombar?
14:28 < Wombert> ja. was quite good. not so bitter and stuff
14:28 < Wombert> MrJeep: strict validation mode? fails? something like that?
14:28 < MrJeep> thought it could be validation mode
14:28 < MrJeep> but it's now
14:28 < MrJeep> however
14:29 < MrJeep> execute() on the slot didn't return anything
14:29 < MrJeep> no view name
14:29 < MrJeep> what's bugging me is, it was still working in dev mode
14:29 < MrJeep> even if no view were returned
14:33 < MrJeep> was a cache problem
14:33 < MrJeep> good call bleachy1 
14:33 < bleachy1> :) no probs
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14:42  * horros headdesks repeatedly
14:43 < horros> I'm too stupid for xpointers :(
14:44 < Ox40Work> O.o
14:44 < Ox40Work> Im so stupid I dont know what xpointers are
14:45 < _cheerios> x marks the spot, xpointers... well...
14:45 < aka> Ox40Work: google is sooo smart... you should ask him
14:45 < horros> AHAHAHHAEHTY)¤%(/=)¤ &/(_¤)&
14:45 < horros> I GOT IT!
14:46 < horros> <- Smart after all
14:47 < aka> well lets not get ahead of ourselves
14:47 < Ox40Work> aka: you said you were leaving!
14:47 < Ox40Work> You bastard :P
14:47 < aka> I am working
14:47 < aka> me and horros work together
14:47 < Ox40Work> suuuuure
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14:50 < aka> svn up
14:50 < aka> errr nm
14:50 < aka> god I hate havign 4 putty windows open
14:54 < horros> aka: You were right. I was rejoicing too soon :(
14:54 < aka> I am sure Ox40Work will help you... he took over my help to someone in #css
14:54 < aka> and he is doing a great job
14:54 < Ox40Work> you think so?
15:05 < MikeSeth> yarrr
15:06 < Ox40Work> im a pirate too.... :)
15:07 < MikeSeth> xi:include href="production.xml" xpointer="xmlns(ae=http://agavi.org/agavi/config/global/envelope/1.0) xpointer(/ae:configurations/*)" />
15:07 < MikeSeth> that's all the xpointer math you need
15:07 < MikeSeth> :D
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16:38 < Ox40Work> hey, can I define a slot that runs on all 'pages' but one?
16:40 < saracen>  Not sure if its the best way to do it, but for that one specific page you could use a different layout.
16:41 < Ox40Work> meh...
16:41 < Ox40Work> I was thinking I could make an action and just check the action
16:42 < saracen> Dunno, but making a new layout is easy enough, to load a different layout just do $this->setupHtml($rd, 'different_layout');
16:42 < saracen> from your view
16:42 < Ox40Work> yeah, but... oh.
16:42 < Ox40Work> Well.... it seems like a bad idea, no?
16:42 < saracen> Erm, maybe.
16:43 < saracen> I just thought, in order to do that other actions have to load first, so maybe you can diable it on that specific page ;x
16:44 < Ox40Work> hmm
16:44 < Ox40Work> Hey, do slots or the main action run first?
16:45 < saracen> thats what I was thinking, if you can change the layout via the main action, the main action must be ran first... I think.
16:45 < saracen> I'm really guessing here
16:45 < Ox40Work> hmm
16:45 < Ox40Work> I was really wondering about my login box
16:45 < Ox40Work> because, its a slot. It should show information based on if the ACTION validates the user...
16:46 < saracen> $this->getLayer('content')->removeSlot('slots_name');
16:46 < saracen> In the view of the page you want to disable the slot
16:46 < saracen> This is a guess, just looked up a bunch of API calls
16:46 < Ox40Work> awesome. :)
16:46 < Ox40Work> ok, that should work for that
16:46 < saracen> Say that when it works :P
16:47 < saracen> You can also getSlot('name') and maybe from there disable it, i dont know =)
16:48 < asonge> man, i love postgis
16:51 < Xylakant> the main action runs first, but the slots are rendered before the main template is rendered
16:51 < asonge> so between the action and the decorators
16:51 < Xylakant> no
16:51 < Xylakant> after the view of the main action has run
16:52 < Xylakant> then the slots are rendered
16:52 < Xylakant> and then the template of the main action
16:52 < saracen> makes sense
16:52 < Xylakant> and then all the decorators
16:52 < Xylakant> so you can change the layout in the the main actions view
16:52 < Xylakant> add slots or remove slots as much as you like
16:52 < Ox40Work> heh awesome
16:52 < Ox40Work> :)
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17:34 < E_mE> bye!!
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17:37 < Ox40Work> Huomenta
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17:38 < reza> hi every budy
17:38 < Ox40Work> well hello
17:38 < reza> is there any kind of document or Tutorial released?
17:38 < Ox40Work> on what?
17:38 < reza> on agavi 1-0-0
17:39 < Ox40Work> not that I know of, not yet at least.
17:39 < Ox40Work> I know it is in the works
17:40 < reza> do you when it will be published?
17:40 < Xylakant> well, I'm writing on it
17:40 < Xylakant> and I don't know
17:40 < Xylakant> it depends on how much I need to work in the next couple of weeks
17:41 < reza> i am work with agavi
17:41 < reza> and found it so wonderful
17:41 < reza> but i need some documentation 
17:41 < Xylakant> we all know that
17:41 < Xylakant> but we all need to earn our living
17:41 < reza> it is so important for agavi to be pupular
17:42 < Xylakant> yes, we all agree
17:42 < reza> we choos this framework for our project
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17:43 < reza> our project tie to your document
17:43 < Xylakant> but still, we all need to pay the bills
17:43 < reza> :)
17:43 < Xylakant> if you have any questions, feel free to ask
17:43 < Xylakant> write a mail on the mailing list
17:43 < Xylakant> drop in here
17:43 < reza> surely i will do 
17:43 < Xylakant> we'll do our best to leave no question unanswered
17:44 < reza> i think it is not a bad idea to donate for money on you site
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17:44 < reza> i am so apprisiate for you time and kind reply
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18:03 < v-dogg> but but but
18:04 < v-dogg> there _is_ a tutorial. granted, it has its issues but it's still worth reading
18:04 < v-dogg> so Ox40Work, go to agavi.org and click Docs
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18:14 < Ox40Work> why is agavi.org so slow
18:14 < Ox40Work> ok, I clicked it
18:16 < v-dogg> I'm surfing with 3G and it's now slow here
18:16 < v-dogg> but you're in the US, right?
18:17 < v-dogg> maybe so many others are also downloading wisdom from overseas that your pan-atlantic tube is getting tight
18:20 < Seldaek> Xylakant: heya
18:20 < Xylakant> hi
18:21 < Seldaek> is it normal the parse error in /agavi/tests2/validator/ValidatorTest.php:64 ?
18:21 < Xylakant> errm
18:21 < Seldaek> even without the parse error, the params seem completely wrong 
18:21 < Xylakant> no, but those are the old tests
18:21 < Seldaek> given the targetted constructor
18:22 < Seldaek> ok then
18:22 < Xylakant> i'll have a look into it
18:22 < Xylakant> thanks for the notice
18:22 < Seldaek> well np.. I just installed PDT2 and it bitches about lots of things
18:23 < Xylakant> ok
18:24 < Seldaek> "No grammar constraints (DTD or XML schema) detected for the document"
18:24 < Seldaek> that one is annoying
18:24 < Xylakant> hmmm
18:24 < asonge> eclipse errors you're looking at?
18:24 < Seldaek> just a warning not an error but well
18:24 < Seldaek> yes asonge
18:25 < v-dogg> what's new in pdt2?
18:25 < Xylakant> all right, i'm off
18:25 < Xylakant> bai
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18:26 < Seldaek> cy
18:26 < Seldaek> a
18:26 < v-dogg> worth mentioning, that is. I'm reading the release notes
18:26 < Ox40Work> v-dogg: what do you need to know?
18:26 < Seldaek> v-dogg: I don't know, it sucks less apparently
18:26 < Seldaek> it actually seems usable
18:26 < Seldaek> while I couldn't stand PDT1 for more than10mins
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18:36 < v-dogg> Ox40Work: wat?
18:38 < v-dogg> I was just referring to 19:39 < Ox40Work> not that I know of, not yet at least.
18:38 < v-dogg> regarding an agavi tutorial
18:57 < _cheerios> trophaeum, I got that mptt-query i talked about to be faster from 2s->0.09, if I discard calculating the depth of each node while retrieving the query
18:58 < aka> what db you using?
18:58 < aka> postgres?
18:58 < _cheerios> (which somewhat defeats the purpose for using mptt in the first place, but, atleast there's possibilities)
18:58 < aka> err sorry
18:58 < _cheerios> mysql
18:58 < trophaeum> no he's using the devil
18:58 < asonge> _cheerios: that is why i use the dual method...i record either depth or parent_id *and* lft/rgt
18:58 < aka> I thought I was in my Im window
18:59 < _cheerios> aka, maybe you mentioned it, but i didn't grok it at the given time
18:59 < trophaeum> trigger to record the level could work nicely
18:59 < trophaeum> i dunno how good mysql triggers are though?
18:59 < _cheerios> they should be fine, but i'd prefer to keep everything code, outside the db.
18:59 < asonge> easier to audit ^^^
19:00 < asonge> anyone know any good ways to *version* database schemata?
19:00 < aka> what does grok mean?
19:00 < asonge> find
19:00 < asonge> or understand
19:00 < aka> ahh ok
19:01 < trophaeum> im a fan of triggers, really simple way to work with various things that would take multiple ugly queries, same with denormalized tables (trigger updates the denormalized data for the common purposes of the site)
19:01 < _cheerios> asonge, we use a custom solution at work, which only goes forward. works ok, given how simple it is.
19:02 < asonge> _cheerios: yeah, i wouldn't need to go backwards.
19:02 < _cheerios> asonge, in our case, just a bunch of numbered sql files, and record the added versions to a table.
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19:02 < trophaeum> asonge, if i have a need for it i make a table with schema_revision with a single row and make scripts to auto update
19:05 < _cheerios> trophaeum, i'll lookup on how it'd work with a trigger -- i haven't used them, gives me a reason to test something in a use-case i'm facing, atleast.
19:06 < trophaeum> _cheerios, they can be a very powerful tool when used right, it also offloads that work to the db in a format the db knows well rather than a mishmash of frontend backend code to do the same work
19:06 < _cheerios> asonge, do you use triggers or what to record the depth?
19:08 < asonge> _cheerios: i look at the parent and then calculate lft/rgt from that...and the parent has depth
19:08 < asonge> (in the application)
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19:43 < Strzalek___> Anybody uses agavi with propel?
19:43 < Strzalek___> (1.3)
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19:45 < Ox40Work> I tried
19:45 < Ox40Work> but couldnt get propel installed *shrug*
19:45 < saracen> NOOB
19:45 < Strzalek> http://pastie.org/405002
19:46 < Ox40Work> jup, noob
19:56 < graste> Strzalek: agavi does work with propel - you should make sure you configured everything correctly
19:56 < v-dogg> Ox40Work: http://blog.veikko.fi/post/82466126/installing-a-project-local-propel
19:57 < v-dogg> use the suggested directory structure and the build.properties
19:58 < v-dogg> copy myproject-conf.php from dev/db/conf/ to app/config/
19:58 < Ox40Work> v-dogg: save that, ill need it when I get home
19:58 < Ox40Work> ;)
19:58 < v-dogg> set include_path in app/config.php
19:58 < Strzalek> graste: found mistake
19:59 < Strzalek> Hmm
19:59 < graste> nice post v-dogg :)
19:59 < Strzalek> hi v-dogg 
19:59 < v-dogg> fix databases.xml (propel is there ready, just modify the config file name and remove every other db)
19:59 < Strzalek> I yes, yes, everything's ok
19:59 < Strzalek> now
19:59 < v-dogg> Ox40Work: and that is it. then just use it
20:00 < Strzalek> i have myproj-conf.php in model/conf/
20:02 < v-dogg> well, that sounds like a wrong place for anything (a) configuration or (b) ORM related but you can keep it anywhere you like :)
20:03 < Ox40Work> v-dogg: hmmm
20:03 < Ox40Work> but I have to run the propel-cfg or whatever command from my project root?
20:04 < v-dogg> propel-gen. don't think it matters where you run it as long as the path to your propel dir (the on with schema.xml and friends) is correcto
20:05 < Strzalek> wooo
20:05 < Strzalek> v-dogg: you blog is alive
20:05 < Strzalek> :D
20:05 < Ox40Work> v-dogg: meh
20:05 < Ox40Work> I just dont like how propel makes you have.... 3 config files to get up and running
20:05 < Strzalek> I remember it with only 2 notes ;]
20:05 < v-dogg> Ox40Work: me neither
20:05 < Ox40Work> two of which are the EXACT same and have the same contents, in different formats.
20:05 < v-dogg> that's not true
20:06 < v-dogg> schema, runtime configuration and build.properties
20:06 < horros> v-dogg: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/panttivanki.jpg
20:06 < horros> lol apua!
20:06 < v-dogg> hahaha
20:06 < horros> (sorry you non-finns, I can't be bothered to translate)
20:07 < Strzalek> Yeaaahhh
20:07 < v-dogg> I can translate: "lol help"
20:07 < v-dogg> :)
20:07 < Strzalek> v-dogg: I'm looking at ADT
20:07 < Strzalek> great work!
20:07 < horros> v-dogg: That should be the new official Agavi request for comment!
20:07 < horros> +s
20:07 < Strzalek> lot of good changes in agavi world after I was active
20:08 < horros> Wombie can send out mails with "LOL APUA" in the subject!
20:08 < horros> BRILLIANT!
20:08 < v-dogg> +1
20:08 < v-dogg> +1*10^1000
20:09 < Ox40Work> wombie?
20:09 < v-dogg> but now: lol dog out and then lol bed time
20:09 < horros> lol
20:09 < v-dogg> Ox40Work: Womkraut
20:09 < horros> lol I'ma watch an episode of ST:TNG lol
20:09 < horros> -->
20:09 < Ox40Work> ... I feel like such an english-failtard.
20:09 < v-dogg> a.k.a. David "Wombert" Zülke
20:09 < v-dogg> (or Zuelke *sigh* :)
20:10 < Ox40Work> heh, still lost.
20:10 < horros> a.k.a. David "Lapinpolttaja" Zülke
20:10 < v-dogg> we're all friends nau
20:11 < v-dogg> Ox40Work: lead dev
20:11 < Ox40Work> ah
20:12 < v-dogg> über pedant german 
20:12 < horros> Also, I'd just like to state for the record:
20:12 < horros> Geschwindigkeitsübertretunggeldstrafe.
20:12 < graste> ^^
20:12 < v-dogg> lol
20:12 < v-dogg> apua
20:12 < Ox40Work> ...
20:12 < graste> pff :)
20:12 < horros> v-dogg: :D
20:13 < v-dogg> ->
20:13 < v-dogg> bai bai
20:13  * horros too ->
20:14 < Strzalek> Wooo
20:14 < Strzalek> widgets
20:14 < Strzalek> huh, lots of changes
20:14 < Ox40Work> damn it
20:14 < Ox40Work> #php on efnet is so sad...
20:14 < Ox40Work> <Two9A> PUBENLEISEN
20:14 < Ox40Work>  <saracen_> STOLENSPIEL
20:14 < Ox40Work> <aka> yall niggerz are good
20:14 < Ox40Work> god...
20:15 < asonge> Ox40Work: language.
20:15 < Ox40Work> sorry ;)
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20:18 < marioprudhomme> o_O
20:19 < Ox40Work> yep,
20:19 < Ox40Work> So, you guys will be happy to know that I am slowly getting the hang of agavi :)
20:20 < graste> best choice
20:22 < saracen> Ox40Work: Don't speak so soon =)
20:22 < _cheerios> you'll be saying the same thing in 2010
20:22 < saracen> Theres plenty left to be learnt
20:25 < Strzalek> graste: rails is better choice
20:25 < Strzalek> Hehehe ;)
20:25 < graste> haha
20:25 < graste> been there :p
20:26 < Strzalek> me too
20:26 < Strzalek> ;]
20:26 < graste> there are a lot of frameworks and they all have some nice things (well almost)
20:26 < graste> but the downsides are the big thing to look after when choosing one ;)
20:27 < asonge> graste: there's something wrong with all of them.
20:27 < asonge> with agavi, it's the fact that php is a shitty language to begin with, hehehe
20:27 < graste> yeah
20:27 < graste> unfortunately :)
20:27 < horros> I had high hopes for PHP 6 :(
20:28 < asonge> i hope merb doesn't let too many of the rails idiots kill their efforts and i can look at ruby again in a year
20:28 < asonge> imho, the language is beautiful
20:30 < graste> yeah, I like the syntax (even though closures are a beast sometimes ;) and that everything's an object and you get some mini-DSLs so fast :)
20:31 < graste> just nice, but didn't like the magic in rails sometimes - drove me crazy to find out what it tried to do instead of just letting me do what I wanted to do :)
20:31 < asonge> the community wasn't a big help either with their "it just works!"
20:31 < graste> yeah
20:32 < graste> all these todo-applications drove me crazy :D
20:32 < asonge> and there really wasn't much out there on how to solve scaling issues.
20:32 < graste> yep
20:32 < asonge> these come with time
20:32 < asonge> and there are plenty of merits there...just needs more time
20:33 < graste> it hides a lot of the complexity and then kills ppl who don't know what happens in the background with complicated model structures etc
20:34 < graste> and there are many bad designed beginners examples that badly needed some refactoring
20:34 < graste> on the other hand there's this 500 lines forum which just impresses you with some fine hacks ;)
20:34 < Ox40Work> <saracen> Ox40Work: Don't speak so soon =)
20:34 < asonge> hehe
20:34 < Ox40Work> I said slowly :)
20:41 < _cheerios> switching between php, py, ruby -- little to gain, unless there's some lib you really, really need to use.
20:43 < graste> yep
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20:44 < graste> and for most apps out there it doesn't matter what languages it's written in or what database it uses
20:44 < graste> I just wonder why everyone uses mysql when there's postgresql - but usually it's not my decision, what to use ;)
20:44 < graste> ^^
20:45 < Ox40Work> graste: whats the difference tho?
20:45 < marioprudhomme> graste, mysql took the market first
20:45 < Ox40Work> I mean, I know they are differnt, But I have always used mysql
20:45 < graste> for most apps it's probably not important Ox40Work
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20:45 < marioprudhomme> early postgre was a bitch when mysql was easy
20:46 < Ox40Work> mmhm
20:46 < Strzalek> Is there sth like core.root_dir?
20:46 < Strzalek> pre defined?
20:46 < Ox40Work> Just wondering if I should change for lolbook :)
20:46 < graste> most probably not worth it Ox40Work :)
20:46 < graste> just write a nice agavi app
20:46 < graste> and then you can switch anytime :p
20:46 < asonge> graste: and postgis...mmm...you ever even look at mysql's GIS functions? until 5.1, they all used bounding box no matter what.
20:47 < Ox40Work> heh graste
20:47 < graste> never had a look at it asonge
20:47 < graste> but I know postgis by name ;)
20:47 < asonge> it's the same c library they link against
20:47 < asonge> but mysql couldn't properly expose it
20:48 < asonge> and of course, indexes are only available on myisam for their GIS
20:48 < graste> hehe, that's why mysql and php just go together so well :D
20:48 < graste> haha
20:48 < Ox40Work> meh...
20:49 < graste> I'm always impressed how mysql uses temp files for even the simplest queries when I let them describe to me ;)
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20:49 < graste> so many pitfalls :D
20:49 < asonge> lol
20:50 < asonge> or how you can make a temporary table, but unless you index it it somehow goes obscenely slow.
20:50 < graste> :>
20:50 < asonge> the entire table is in memory ffs
20:51 < graste> I tried to use federated tables but gave up after all these caveeats and not implemented features
20:51 < graste> it felt like mysql just stole hours of my life by proposing a feature that's not at all production ready ;(
20:52 < graste> like count() after getting all remote records and counting them locally
20:52 < graste> instead of counting them remotely
20:53 < everplays> MikeSeth: ping
20:53 < graste> who the fuck came to the conclusion, that getting all records over network and then counting them on localhost is such a good idea 
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21:11 < macen> Strzalek: nop, asked this of mailing list last week
21:11 < _cheerios> "Thanks for your order!" ... amazon ate my monies again
21:11 < macen> basename on core_app best solution
21:13 < Strzalek> v-dogg: can I set logging options for propel in databases.xml? 
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21:22 < graste> you can set connection settings like charset - dunno for logging - DebugPDO or something should be set for query logging I think, doesn't it?
21:23 < Wombert> nom?
21:23 < graste> hi
21:24 < Wombert> how have you been, graste 
21:24 < graste> fine, thx
21:25 < Wombert> glad
21:25 < graste> did you promote agavi at that conference?
21:25 < graste> ^^
21:27 < impl> like nuts
21:28 < Ox40Work> hey, how can agavi parse all those files so fast?
21:28 < graste> it's magic ^^
21:28 < impl> Ox40Work: it caches them
21:28 < Ox40Work> the XML, the configs, the database stuff... the contexts, the layouts...
21:28 < impl> as PHP files
21:28 < impl> then it just includes the PHP
21:28 < Ox40Work> impl: but when I change them, it ... doesnt slow down
21:29 < impl> well, that's because parsing XML isn't as slow as some people like to make it out to be
21:29 < Ox40Work> heh
21:29 < Ox40Work> do you have FF3?
21:29 < impl> Yes
21:30 < Ox40Work> does http://lolbook.net look fucked up to you?
21:30 < impl> um... not really
21:31 < impl> it still looks like facebook.
21:31 < Ox40Work> the sidebar isnt floating weird?
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21:31 < impl> I don't think so
21:31 < Ox40Work> GAH
21:31 < Ox40Work> wtF?
21:31 < Ox40Work> It was messed up this morning -_-
21:32 < Strzalek> I hate propel
21:32 < Strzalek> this is shit
21:33 < Strzalek> 3h fighting to proper configure it with agavi and still not satisfaced
21:33 < macen> http://temp.youds.com/Picture%201.png 
21:33 < macen> Ox40Work...^
21:33 < Ox40Work> macen: hmm cool
21:33 < Ox40Work> works then...
21:33 < macen> looks like it
21:34 < macen> nice and clean :)
21:34 < Ox40Work> I like it. heh, THANKS macen
21:34 < Ox40Work> everyone else either says "blah look like facebook" or "blah its not funny enough to be lolbook"
21:35 < macen> maybe some padding-right on div#footer :p
21:35 < impl> well... it does look like facebook
21:42 < _cheerios> mmm... good-night beer
21:45 < everplays> help. people give me a resource about "date & translation" in agavi! i used mailing list but still no one answered me!
21:45 < everplays> Wombert: ^
21:46 < _cheerios> how to create folders in svn w/netbeans? i only know how to checkout..
21:50 < graste> everplays: basicly you need to use AGaviTranslationManager and the app/config/translation.xml file
21:50 < graste> there you define translations (ha!) and then can do things like <?php echo $tm->_('Select', 'some.namespace.defined.in.translation.xml'); ?>
21:50 < graste> or currency and date formatting
21:52 < impl> hmm, where does sending an email confirmation message belong?
21:53 < impl> I feel like it's wrong to put it in the action
21:53 < everplays> graste: tnx, but what about date? i'm not using Gregorian time format so i need to convert it to my local time format
21:54 < graste> perhaps something like this help? http://pastie.org/405175
21:56 < graste> $tm->_d(time(), null, '@timezone=Europe/London'); $tm->_c(1200, null, '@currency=GBP');
21:56  * graste is the wrong person to ask for translation related things :D
21:59 < everplays> graste: hmm! tnx. i think if i can create a date type maybe i got everything i need > <ae: parameter name="type">datetime</ae: parameter>
21:59 < graste> good luck :)
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22:14 < asonge> impl: perhaps use some type of general notification abstracted in the user object?
22:15 < asonge> some notifications in the model maybe
22:15 < impl> well, the notifications would have to be aware of the output type is the issue I'm having. because maybe for instance I don't want to send an email if I'm using an automated API, I want to provide some other way of doing things
22:16 < impl> I feel like it belongs in the view more than anything
22:16 < graste> appoint view 'ConfirmationSuccess' on mail sent success in action :P
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22:17 < aka> hahahah meritt I am watching this run away video again
22:17 < graste> you could always add that json confirmation after that, I guess
22:18 < aka> when that lady tries to say "Maybe she met up with someone" and the guy cuts her off "No that is not ver likely" and leads into she is addicted to crystal meth
22:18 < aka> ohh shit wrong channel
22:18 < aka> mfer 
22:18 < aka> sorry
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22:30 < _cheerios> how do you get patch to add new files?
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22:38 < Ox40Work> So, I think I like freenode best
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23:05 < impl> FUCKING FREENODE
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03:16 < Ox42> yo!
03:16 < Ox42> Huomenta
03:29 < Ox42> So, who pasted that link to installing propel?
03:31 < macen> why propel
03:31 < Ox42> Why not? :)
03:31 < macen> look at the others you are new dude :p
03:31 < Ox42> I have yet to find something better.
03:31 < macen> now is the good time to check out the viable competition 
03:31 < Ox42> Well, what do you use?
03:32 < macen> it's down to personal preference only, and, my choice was made based on the fact that the models are generated in PHP by default (also, yaml etc)
03:32 < macen> this not case on Propel
03:32 < macen> !google doctrine
03:32 < um> macen: Search took 0.13 seconds: Doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine>
03:32 < Ox42> ah, doctrine.
03:32 < Ox42> I read their docs... It didnt give a straight forward "how to use" thing
03:32 < Ox42> It just says "Hey, we made a new SQL! "
03:32 < Ox42> ya know?
03:32 < macen> yeah i know
03:33 < macen> i needed MrJeep to get me going
03:33 < macen> i can give you the chanlog of this conversation and the associated screenies
03:33 < macen>  it' at the office though...
03:34 < Ox42> what did he basically say?
03:34 < macen> i'll get the transcript, links are in there, if they expired then well i have them
03:34 < macen> how to get started with Agavi
03:34 < Ox42> oh...
03:34 < Ox42> I have Agavi working
03:34 < Ox42> now I need DB support tho
03:34 < macen> are you sure you do?
03:34 < macen> oh yes
03:34 < macen> well Agavi handles the DB PDO
03:34 < macen> luckily for you :)
03:35 < macen> I could try to help myself...meantime will try to get the log
03:35 < Ox42> what do you mean "Agavi handles the DB PDO"?
03:36 < impl> databases.xml, sir
03:36 < impl> it has examples
03:37 < Ox42> hmmmm
03:37 < Ox42> Im just trying to figure out... if I add my DB stuff to database.xml in the propel section
03:37 < Ox42> and add a php reference or whatever to eh propel runtime... I can just add the classes it generated to /models and use it?
03:38 < Ox42> Because its 'installed'
03:42 < macen> here you go
03:42 < macen> http://paste2.org/p/157280
03:43 < macen> i cleaned the first few paragraphs to get you hooked
03:43 < macen> and then you'll just have to ignore other peoples comments and my noobish questions :P
03:43 < macen> ha
03:44 < macen> like i say, you get to edit the models in php
03:44 < macen> so if you have any ideas about basing anything in your php code on the ORM then you will already have it there in PHP to interpret 
03:44 < macen> this is my reason why i choose it
03:45 < macen> _read this_
03:45 < macen> http://codeutopia.net/blog/2008/03/02/doctrine-vs-propel/
03:46 < Ox42> hmmmmm
03:46 < macen> _doctrine_
03:46 < macen> :D
03:47 < Ox42> oh dear god
03:47 < Ox42> $items = Doctrine_Query::create()
03:47 < Ox42>        ->from('Example e')...
03:47 < Ox42> *barf* hell no
03:49 < macen> SEZY
03:49 < macen> i promise :>
03:49 < Ox42> SEZY?
03:49 < Ox42> seriously, I will use my own Model before I do that.
03:49 < macen> $doctrineProject = Doctrine_Query::create()
03:49 < impl> Ox42: Doctrine isn't a model
03:49 < impl> you use Doctrine in your models
03:49 < macen> $doctrineProject->from('Table tb');
03:50 < Ox42> yeah, no...
03:50 < Ox42> $items = Item::getBySomething();
03:50 < macen> nono
03:50 < impl> That's how YOUR model should look, but how that method works internally doesn't really matter.
03:50 < Ox42> impl: so...
03:50 < impl> So you can use Doctrine under the covers just fine
03:50 < Ox42> doctrine is a method between my model and my DB?
03:50 < impl> yes
03:51 < impl> it's a DAL
03:51 < Ox42> oh gah...
03:51 < macen> $this->getContext()->getModel('foobar')->getByYourModel();
03:51 < impl> ^
03:51 < Ox42> whats wrong with just using SQL?
03:51 < impl> Nothing
03:51 < macen> you can still
03:51 < macen> access the PDO 
03:51 < Ox42> But, whats the advantage of doctrine then?
03:52 < macen> i haven't used propel, v-dogg come save propel here, but *apparently* it falls over in complex scenario
03:52 < macen> my *world* is complex 
03:52 < impl> yeah it does
03:52 < Ox42> But...
03:52 < impl> but I think v-dogg and I both agree that Propel is nice for doing simple stuff
03:52 < impl> (e.g., getting all Foos)
03:52 < Ox42> I mean, $user = new User($idFromSomewhere);
03:52 < Ox42> $friends = $user->getFriends(); and it all jsut works
03:52 < impl> when you need to do something complicated, you just switch back to SQL
03:53 < Ox42> getFriends() { return Friend::getByUserId($this->id); }
03:53 < impl> Ox42: Look, here's the fundamental, the very fundamental problem
03:53 < impl> Ox42: The problem is that there isn't a clear, distinct mapping between tables in a database and objects in an object-oriented program
03:53 < impl> It would be nice if there WERE one, but there isn't
03:53 < Ox42> how so?
03:53 < Ox42> Uh, with mine there is...
03:53 < impl> No, there's not, because of the very fact of relations
03:54 < macen> purpose of ORM is to make code that works in both mysql and postgresql 
03:54 < impl> No it's not
03:54 < macen> for me^^^^
03:54 < macen> sorry to interrupt :)
03:54 < impl> heh
03:54 < macen> well yes it is for me because I don't want to rely on MySQL
03:54 < impl> I think people put way too much effort into writing database-agnostic applications than they should
03:54 < impl> then write it for pgsql
03:55 < macen> i'm one of those OCD types
03:55 < macen> yeah maybe it won't work out as i expect...
03:55 < impl> You're limited to a very poor subset of features if you attempt to be database-agnostic
03:55 < impl> for example, postgresql has datatypes for UUIDs and IP addresses
03:55 < Ox42> which makes no sense
03:56 < impl> (which are very cool)
03:56 < Ox42> its SQL for a reason... and database implementations shoudl follow it strictly
03:56 < impl> Ox42: Have you ever read the SQL standard?
03:56 < impl> It's in 11 parts. The main part is over 1000 pages long.
03:56 < Ox42> cool
03:56 < Ox42> perfect.
03:57 < impl> It's amazing that things follow the SQL standard as well as they do, honestly
03:57 < macen> too late for this
03:57 < macen> night :)
03:58 < macen> ...4am :/
03:58 < macen> bai
03:58 < impl> heh, night :<
03:58 < Ox42> Meh I need mountain dew
04:03 < Ox42> So, Getting Agavi Config data from databases.xml?
04:04 < impl> it's done /for you/
04:04 < impl> that's the point
04:04 < impl> there are adapters that run, then you just get an object via $context->getDatabaseConnection()
04:04 < impl> (see also AgaviDatabaseManager)
04:04 < Ox42> wait...
04:05 < Ox42> if I set it up, there is a DB implementation to use?
04:08 < impl> Ox42: why don't you spend a day browsing through the Agavi source tree and see if you can find something that would make you not sound like an idiot
04:08 < aka> hahaha
04:08 < Ox42> heh... because I was told Agavi didnt do any database stuff
04:09 < Ox42> or maybe I misunderstood
04:09 < aka> wtf I have told you that is does like 5 times
04:09 < Ox42> <_<
04:09 < impl> Ox42: then you tell me what is the fucking src/database directory for
04:09 < Ox42> impl: hmmmmmmmmm
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06:59 < v-dogg> Ox42: no, you were told you can use whatever db solution you want and agavi provides many adapters out of the box
07:00 < v-dogg> Ox42: just follow my instructions from last night, set the correct propel config path to databases.xml and start using your propel classes
07:01 < v-dogg> $this->context->getDatabaseConnection gives you the PDO handle from propel
07:01 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:06 < everplays> Strict Standards: Declaration of AgaviXmlConfigXsltProcessor::importStylesheet() should be compatible with that of XSLTProcessor::importStylesheet() in /usr/share/php/agavi/config/util/xsl/AgaviXmlConfigXsltProcessor.class.php on line 117
07:07 < everplays> working with sample application, agavi version: 1.0.0, php: 5.2.8
07:16 < impl> Have you guys ever had FPF add arbitrary text that contains <![CDATA[]]> tags to your textareas?
07:17 < v-dogg> impl: no
07:17 < v-dogg> everplays: are you sure you not running 5.3?
07:18 < v-dogg> because that sounds a lot like the API change they made to 5.3
07:19 < impl> I think that it's a problem in 5.2.8 too
07:19 < impl> The API was never supposed to be that
07:19 < v-dogg> yeah, I read the bug list
07:19 < impl> it was only that way for 5.2.6
07:19 < everplays> v-dogg: $ php -v
07:19 < everplays> PHP 5.2.8-0.dotdeb.2 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.3 (cli) (built: Feb 26 2009 07:51:59) 
07:19 < v-dogg> -list -report
07:19 < impl> yeah
07:20 < everplays> wow!
07:20 < impl> everplays: for now, you can either modify your Agavi to not contain the type hints
07:20 < impl> in that file
07:20 < impl> or you can just ignore it ;p
07:20  * impl tries to figure out why FPF is adding CDATA tags to his forms.
07:21 < impl> the fock.
07:22 < impl> If I have this in my <head>: <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="application/xhtml+xml; charset=utf-8" />, I get <![CDATA[]]> inside <textarea>s
07:23 < impl> if I leave it out, then I don't
07:24 < impl> oho, I see the problem
07:24 < impl> well fuck it then
07:35 < everplays> guys i have modified my AgaviXmlConfigXsltProcessor.class.php  should i create a ticket & post diff?
07:36 < v-dogg> that's a known issue
07:38 < v-dogg> but hmm..
07:41 < v-dogg> this is a bit weird. the ticket says that only happens with 5.2.9 or later
07:41 < v-dogg> could it be that suhosin modifies this in 2.5.8?
07:44 < impl> Debian could have backported it
07:45 < v-dogg> oh yes, that is perhaps more likely
07:45 < v-dogg> way to go package maintainers! :D
07:45 < impl> :P
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08:02 < liutis> huomenta
08:08 < liutis> hmhm, why i cant with FooForwardView, forward to some other MyInputSubaction with all $rd data, and i see it has $this->container->getValidationManager()->getErrors(); BUT he dont print them only FPF of inputed data is made
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08:12 < digitarald> my wtf error message today: http://www.eclipse-plugins.info/eclipse/redirect_do.jsp?id=964
08:13 < digitarald> Huomenta :)
08:19 < horros_> Huomenta.
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08:23 < horros> Hmm.
08:23 < horros> I can't seem to make xpointer reference a certain tag with a certain attribute having a certain value.
08:23 < horros> grumble
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08:39 < Hamerr> huomenta 
08:39 < graste_> huomenta
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09:04 < _cheerios> huomenta
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09:13 < _cheerios> digitarald, what's the moo way of crafting a query string from key-value params?
09:19 < digitarald> _cheerios: easy task :)
09:19 < digitarald> http://github.com/anutron/mootools-more/blob/master/Source/Native/URI.js
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09:26 < _cheerios> ty. had some string concatenation in my moo js for this and wanted that out :)
09:28 < digitarald> if you don't have arrays in your values, its easy
09:34 < MikeSeth> huomenta!
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10:20 < E_mE> huomenta
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10:46 < WasabiCat> huomenta
10:47 < v-dogg> Wombert: ping
10:47 < WasabiCat> I'm writing a little guest book feature where the user can enter a subject and content. I validate that those two form fields have content with xml based validation on the action.
10:47 < WasabiCat> When the user hits post the validation is triggered and the page is re-shown
10:48 < Wombert> WasabiCat: do not submit to the post action
10:48 < WasabiCat> but the form fields and labels have disappeared
10:48 < Wombert> submit to an addcomment action
10:49 < WasabiCat> Wombert: I don't know what you're getting at
10:50 < Wombert> *fields* and *labels* disappear?
10:50 < Wombert> the element?
10:50 < Wombert> +s
10:50 < Wombert> ?
10:50 < v-dogg> is the form in a slot perhaps?
10:50 < WasabiCat> the form fields on the page aren't shown when the fpf reloads the page
10:50 < WasabiCat> no just a form in a template
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10:51 < WasabiCat> I tried using a different and no decorator, but they still disappear
10:51 < v-dogg> not sure how you have done there but this is the "normal" way to do this:
10:51 < v-dogg> ShowMessagesAction prints posted messages
10:52 < v-dogg> + AddCommentAction in a slot (input form)
10:52 < v-dogg> that form is handled by AddCommentAction and after succesfull post you redirect back to ShowMessagesAction
10:53 < WasabiCat> is this "free stuff" from agavi or the preferred method of doing this?
10:54 < Wombert> do you have
10:54 < Wombert> wait
10:54 < v-dogg> don't know what you mean by that
10:54 < Wombert> oh
10:54 < Wombert> well
10:54 < Wombert> look, you have an ErrorView
10:54 < Wombert> in there
10:54 < WasabiCat> yep
10:54 < Wombert> you tell agavi to load the Input template again
10:55 < Wombert> your Error template is likely just empty
10:55 < WasabiCat> aha
10:55 < WasabiCat> duh ...
10:55 < WasabiCat> I'm an idiot
10:55 < Wombert> so you *should* have an error view
10:55 < Wombert> but no error template
10:55 < WasabiCat> thank you
10:55 < Wombert> you just reuse the input template (do not use the input view for errors!)
10:55 < WasabiCat> totally forgot about the validation manager stuff
10:55 < Wombert> you know how to set the input template, WasabiCat?
10:55 < WasabiCat> Wombert: yes I do thank you
10:56 < WasabiCat> It's all in the sample app too
10:56 < Wombert> yup for the login stuff :)
10:56 < WasabiCat> major brain fart on my end
10:56 < WasabiCat> :( 
11:01 < horros> Bloody buggering smegging xpath and namespaces
11:01  * horros curses and grumbles
11:02 < MikeSeth> This is why one of the first things I do on new projects is to replace the default empty template with a comment like <!-- This template is not in use -->
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11:13 < MikeSeth> oh man the new openflashchart reads json
11:14 < MikeSeth> no more fugly hax and custom output type to generate the dataset for it
11:14 < MikeSeth> victolee
11:22  * horros ponders how to weave joinpoints
11:26 < MikeSeth> horros: please dont tell me youre trying AOP in PHP
11:26  * MikeSeth is instantly horrified
11:28 < WasabiCat> Is there a way to extract the error messages to be translated from the xml validation configuration files with xgettext?
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11:28 < WasabiCat> Or is it better to use the simple translator for the validation error messages?
11:36 < MikeSeth> WasabiCat: IMO you can configure FPF to pass the messages through the translation manager
11:36 < MikeSeth> is that your question?
11:36 < WasabiCat> yes in essence
11:36 < WasabiCat> how though?
11:37 < v-dogg> umm.. you sure MikeSeth?
11:37 < v-dogg> you can set the translation domain for xml validation configs
11:37 < Wombert> horros: you doing fine?
11:37 < v-dogg> but FPF?
11:37 < Wombert> horros: in config handler?
11:38 < v-dogg> Wombert: tell ut
11:38 < Wombert> horros: you realize it registers a prefix for oyu?
11:38 < v-dogg> us
11:38 < Wombert> v-dogg: wat
11:38 < Wombert> no
11:38 < Wombert> yes
11:38 < Wombert> well
11:38 < Wombert> <validator ... translation_domain="...">
11:38 < Wombert> and for extracting them
11:38 < Wombert> http://www.grammatista-project.org/ :)
11:40 < v-dogg> me wins
11:41 < benschi> hrhr the grammatista trac is full of spam :(
11:41 < Wombert> ja :<
11:41 < Wombert> lunch
11:41  * Wombert &
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12:07 < horros> MikeSeth: Trying? I've already implemented it one way :)
12:07 < horros> Redoing the whole damn implementation atm :)
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12:58 < MrJeep_> anyone ever tried this ?
12:58 < MrJeep_> http://dillerdesign.com/experiment/DD_roundies/
12:58 < MrJeep_> to create round corners
12:58 < MrJeep_> on ie (use css on firefox and others)
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13:10 < MikeSeth> round corners are so this millenia
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13:12 < horros> Hmmm.
13:13 < horros> Can I somehow easily get the line number for a specific line in the configuration xml (with a custom config handler)?
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13:52 < MrJeep> morning
14:10 < Xylakant> horros: not that i know of, but why would you need it?
14:10 < Wombert> no horros 
14:11 < Wombert> there is an exslt function for that
14:11 < Wombert> or, saxon, rather
14:11 < Wombert> not sure which
14:11 < horros> Xylakant: Because of semantic errors that I can't really catch with xsd/rng
14:11 < Wombert> so you'd have to do that
14:11 < Wombert> butz
14:11 < Wombert> it won't help you much
14:11 < Wombert> because agavi might transform before
14:11 < horros> hmhz
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14:15 < benschi> Xylakant: you are the one who is writing at the docs for agavi right?
14:15 < Xylakant> yes, why?
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14:16 < Xylakant> based on mikes tutorial, that is :-)
14:16 < Xylakant> he deserves the credit
14:17 < benschi> true. But what I wanted to ask you was if it might be possible to add a chapter about testing an app
14:17 < Wombert> benschi: much, much later
14:17 < Wombert> not the highest priority now
14:17 < Wombert> it might not happen at all until at least 1.1
14:17 < Wombert> since the testing system is experimental
14:17 < benschi> but it seems to be "usable"
14:17 < Wombert> and I'd rather not have official docs for a feature that is certain to change
14:18 < Wombert> yes, but it will be changed without regards for BC
14:18 < Wombert> that's not a big problem since the hard part is decoupling your code for testing and coming up with the tests themselves
14:18 < Wombert> the code for the tests is the smallest amount of effort overall
14:19 < benschi> the reason why I asked was mainly because I roughly know how to write test for "easy" Java Apps and I was unsure what I would need to test lets say an action or a view
14:20 < Xylakant> benschi: have a look at the sample app
14:20 < Xylakant> it does have some tests for actions and views
14:21 < benschi> I already had a look at them and they helped a lot
14:22 < Xylakant> feel free to ask any question you might have
14:22 < Xylakant> either here or on the mailing list
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14:23 < benschi> sure thing. Thanks for the offer
14:23 < Xylakant> you're welcom
14:23 < Xylakant> e
14:23 < Xylakant> ...
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14:27 < benschi> Xylakant: ehm how can I build the docs? Especially on OSX?
14:27 < benschi> does it work with/in eclipse?
14:30 < Xylakant> there's a readme in the docs folder
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14:34  * benschi smacks himself for having his eyes closed
14:35 < Xylakant> it's a bit tricky though
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14:49 < Xylakant> and yes it works on OSX
14:50  * Xylakant is mac-fanboy
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14:53  * macen strokes Xylakant 
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15:01 < macen> ok
15:01  * benschi strokes Xylakant as well
15:02 < Xylakant> hey hey, enough. I know someone who might get jealous ;)
15:02 < macen> The last Web site I worked on (for about 12 months) want to re-invest in it and do eMarketing and other things as well, I choose not to use Agavi at start because the docs were, to quote the developers themselves, "shit" :p
15:02  * benschi strokes Wombert too
15:02 < benschi> okay, not that he gets mad ;)
15:03 < macen> but now I have a problem. I'm using Agavi and hopefully will twist there arm into having some support contract that lets me port the Web site to Agavi for purpose of memcached or something :p
15:03 < macen> but...
15:03 < macen> I need Agavi friendly services to begin with....
15:03 < Xylakant> well, it wasn't wombert that i had in mind. but he's a little ill, he could use some love and care :)
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15:04 < macen> eg. eMarketing, are there any "Agavi friendly" toolkits or out of the box solutions that will integrate with more than one server?
15:06 < benschi> well there are 41 participants in the channel - 2 still make 39 who want to be stroked over their heads.
15:07 < benschi> "Ich bin zwar warmherzig und brüderlich, aber ein warmer Bruder bin ich nicht" - German quote (I donno the english one for this)
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15:09 < Xylakant> well, benschi - the channels logs are available. so everybody might be reading this and be jealous.
15:09 < Xylakant> so you're not limited to 39 others
15:10 < benschi> Lets make them jealous
15:10  * benschi strokes Xylakant again and again :)
15:10 < horros> This is starting to sound suspicious.
15:11 < Xylakant> yeah, just thought the same...
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15:50 < Wombert> everplays: wombookpro:~ dzuelke$ php -r 'var_dump(version_compare("5.2.8-0.dotdeb.2", "5.2.8", "<="));'
15:50 < Wombert> bool(false)
15:50 < Wombert> so... get rid of debian or update to php 5.2.9
15:50 < Wombert> then your problem will be gone
15:51 < Wombert> see http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/3830 too
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15:57 < MikeSeth> alright
15:57 < MikeSeth> OpenFlashChart is full of win and is thus approved for Agavi!
15:57 < MikeSeth> Wombert: lol @ wombookpro
15:58 < MikeSeth> i have three boxen
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15:58 < MikeSeth> "pwninator", "raep" and "deathwish"
15:58 < MikeSeth> i'm positive!
16:00 < MrJeep> Wombert: bug bug bug (I think)
16:01 < impl> MikeSeth: his original MacBook was just called wombook
16:01 < MrJeep> cache problem
16:01 < impl> but then it turned into wombookpro
16:02 < MrJeep> meh
16:02 < MrJeep> v-dogg, impl ... anyone .. : http://riobelselection.net/fr/nos-produits/par-space/avec-1/poignee-L/page-1
16:02 < impl> MrJeep: ja?
16:02 < MrJeep> you will all see a list of collection ('SENIOR' BRIDGE...')
16:02 < MrJeep> (cache problem)
16:03 < impl> I like the design
16:03 < MrJeep> now select 'Groupe' and choose 'Autre'
16:03 < impl> okay
16:03 < MrJeep> the collection chooser disappear 
16:03 < MrJeep> hit back button
16:03 < MrJeep> no more collections
16:03 < impl> mmmmm
16:03 < MrJeep> untill I clear the cache
16:03 < impl> yes indeed
16:04 < MrJeep> I didn't specify any caching rules
16:04 < Wombert> wrong cache groups
16:04 < Wombert> collide somewhere or so
16:04 < everplays> Wombert: tnx dude. i changed my AgaviXmlConfigXsltProcessor.class.php & problem solved
16:04 < Wombert> everplays: lower error_reporting until its fixed
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16:06 < everplays> $Wombert++;
16:10 < MrJeep> arg
16:10 < MrJeep> I had some mixed-version cache.xml file
16:10 < MrJeep> anyone knows what could be wrong ?
16:11 < MrJeep> is there some doc about the cache system online ?
16:13 < MrJeep> impl, do you know where I can find doc on cache ?
16:13 < impl> MrJeep: I don't think any exists
16:13 < MrJeep> I guess it's possible to set a no-cache on the page that's screwing up
16:16 < graste_> you could use a caching callback to prevent caching in certain cases
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16:17 < graste_> just don't do big db queries in a callback, I guess :)
16:18 < graste_> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#caching_1 beware the yellow fade - someone with gimp skills should build me another animated gif to use :c
16:19 < impl> whoa what is this
16:20 < graste_> animated gif in teh background :P
16:20  * impl has never seen this site before
16:21 < graste_> couldn't find another one with nicer colors :P
16:21 < graste_> for the css-only yellow fade
16:21 < impl> it's mildly annoying :>
16:21 < graste_> indeed
16:21 < graste_> it should warn people to simply use stuff from that url :P
16:21 < graste_> +not
16:22 < impl> this is a nice FAQ though, I must say
16:22 < impl> nice work :D
16:22 < graste_> thx
16:22 < graste_> it links to your site :D
16:22 < MrJeep> enabled=false did the trick
16:23 < MrJeep> :D
16:23 < impl> graste_: My site? :P
16:23 < graste_> this disables teh whole fragment cache for that action
16:23  * impl doesn't have a site, unless you mean agavi.org
16:23 < graste_> not yours
16:23 < graste_> v-dogg
16:23 < graste_> :\
16:23 < impl> ah
16:23 < graste_> my fault
16:23 < impl> yeah, v-dogg has some nice tutorials too
16:25 < graste_> MrJeep: you could give parameters to a slot and use these parameters as caching group to have different caching in some cases
16:26 < MrJeep> ok
16:26 < MrJeep> I sure need to master the cache.xml file
16:26 < MrJeep> I can't want to see doc
16:26 < graste_> me as well - the example should get one started
16:27 < v-dogg> graste_: http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_14 this is out-dated by the new validation result query API :)
16:28 < v-dogg> I have to blog it for you apparently ;)
16:29 < graste_> I know
16:29 < graste_> didn't have the time yet
16:29 < graste_> should perhaps mark it as deprecated :D
16:29 < v-dogg> yeah, me neither
16:29 < impl> I don't think either was is deprecated
16:29 < impl> it just depends on how you want to do it
16:29 < impl> those functions internally use the result-querying interface anyway
16:29 < graste_> yeah, but FAQ should give somewhat "official" examples
16:29 < graste_> imho
16:30 < graste_> apart from dirty hacks :p
16:30 < impl> :P
16:30 < graste_> btw if someone has some nice code snippets or similar for the faq, just mail them to me or pastie them somewhere
16:32 < impl> speaking of that, has anyone found a nice way of doing CSRF-protection in forms? I wrote an email on it a few days ago, and it occurred to me that right now I have a model for it, as well as code in every view for actions with forms and a validator
16:32 < impl> I feel like it could be replaced with a cool filter or something
16:32 < graste_> I did it once in symfony with a hacky filter
16:32 < graste_> just appended hidden inputs with token and checked them
16:33 < impl> yeah
16:33 < v-dogg> sauna ->
16:33 < impl> you think that's too hacky?
16:33 < v-dogg> <3
16:33 < impl> v-dogg: damn yuo, it's like 25F here
16:33 < impl> and we HAS NO SAUNA
16:33 < graste_> and added a <script>var token='';</script>at the bottom of the html body as well to have the token available in external scripts
16:33 < v-dogg> impl: 25F is in real units?
16:34 < impl> v-dogg: -5
16:34 < graste_> never had the time to rethink the filter for agavi
16:34 < v-dogg> -8 here this morning
16:34 < impl> graste_: I might try writing one up
16:34 < v-dogg> but closer to 0 now which is not nice
16:34 < ttj> Yay, registered finally to the Turku Agile Day 2009. \o/
16:34 < impl> OH NO FINNISH INVASION
16:35 < ttj> Unfortunately no lunch or dinner for me. :(
16:35 < v-dogg> oh yes
16:35 < impl> ttj: Why not? :(
16:35 < ttj> The price would've been 100e with lunch and dinner or 5e without. :P
16:36 < impl> haha
16:36 < impl> I guess they feed you well!
16:36 < graste_> thing is, I didn't have the time to think about some implications or additional measures for security which perhaps may be nice - and it should be configurable too <:
16:36 < graste_> just implement one impl :>
16:37 < graste_> without a start nothing gets done ^^
16:37 < ttj> Well, I didn't even try to get the company to pay for it, since even getting more business cards (44e) was quite difficult. :D
16:37 < impl> graste_: I got a midterm in ~2 hours
16:37 < impl> so maybe tonight ;p
16:37 < impl> ttj: lawl
16:38 < hZilla> hello. how do you bypass the default layout when the site availability is set to false?
16:39 < hZilla> or in other words how do you specify the layout in setupHtml?
16:41 < Wombert> hZilla: uhm
16:41 < Wombert> look at the method declaration? :p
16:41 < Wombert> its in your project base view
16:42 < hZilla> ok no worries. i think i realised that after i asked it
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16:49 < DracoBlue> Huomenta
16:49 < DracoBlue> I was wondering if it's possible to define FPF-settings just for a specific module (or even better) for a set of actions?
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17:15 < hZilla> another quickie: if i have my webserver proxied on port 82, and want to strip port numbers from urls, what is the correct parameter for the request in factories.xml?
17:16 < hZilla> i thought is was something like use_authority">false< or something like that
17:18 < graste_> dunno, is it something like this: http://pastie.org/406120 ?
17:20 < hZilla> similar but i remember there was something similar to just strip the port number out of all web requests
17:21 < hZilla> like force_port false or something
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17:22 < hZilla> btw you faq is very useful
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17:25 < v-dogg> +5C beer goes wonderfully together with +100C sauna
17:26 < digitarald|> v-dogg: worked in Chile also with Pisco Sour
17:27  * v-dogg googles
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17:41 < digitarald|> digitarald|: Interested? I can bring some Pisco to the next conference ;)
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17:43 < Wombert> nonono
17:43 < Wombert> yes
17:43 < Wombert> hZilla: http://pastie.org/406120 is correct
17:43 < Wombert> your proxy should forward the info
17:43 < Wombert> if not, you can do
17:43 < Wombert>                         <ae:parameter name="SERVER_PORT">80</ae:parameter>                    
17:43 < Wombert> i.e. a static value
17:43 < Wombert> (yup, that works :D)
17:44 < Wombert> [18:20] hZilla: similar but i remember there was something similar to just strip the port number out of all web requests
17:44 < Wombert> [18:21] hZilla: like force_port false or something
17:44 < Wombert> there is no such thing, and it would be the wrong solution
17:44 < Wombert> the cause of the problem is that your relevant $_SERVER info is wrong due to the proxying
17:44 < Wombert> DracoBlue: you can do that at runtime
17:44 < hZilla> i see - thanks for the info
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17:52 < DracoBlue> @Wombert will try that ;)
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18:17 < MikeSeth> holy god im tired
18:17 < MikeSeth> huomenta 
18:20 < MrJeep> go 2 sleep
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18:40 < Wombert> 'thapen MikeSeth 
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20:08 < _cheerios> bleh. changed executionfilter months ago, so that there's only 1 view per 1 action (http://pastie.org/406329). noticed recently that hasCredentials(true) doesn't redirect to login, but gives a 404. credentials for logged-in user aren't enforced either. ideas?
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20:13 < _cheerios> correction, i meant isSecure(true)
20:22 < _cheerios> was it that isSimple() did not check secure, nor credentials?
20:22 < v-dogg> correct
20:23 < _cheerios> figures, that should help correc this
20:23 < v-dogg> it goes directly to the default view
20:23 < _cheerios> which i guess is 404 if none specified?
20:24 < v-dogg> no, agaviaction::getdefaultviewname() == 'Input'
20:26 < _cheerios> right. tongue slip.
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20:30 < _cheerios> hmm, somehow before the action even runs it defaults to a 404.
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21:16 < _cheerios> lol :headbang
21:17 < _cheerios> there was nothing wrong with the modification, 'twas that I'd moved Default/Login => Login/Login, and hadn't updated settings.xml to conform
21:19 < aka> we lost Ox40
21:19 < aka> :(
21:19 < _cheerios> define "lost"
21:21 < ttj> Lost, a drama television series which follows the lives of plane crash survivors who land on a mysterious island.
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21:25 < aka> he isn't in here ;)
21:25 < aka> I assumed he gave up
21:25 < aka> after me and impl had a sit down talk with him
21:25 < aka> *impl and I
21:27 < _cheerios> most likely better for him
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21:30 < _cheerios> fs. isSecure works, hasCredentials not yet. how did i find myself in this ditch.
21:32 < _cheerios> gah. naturally won't work as it's called getCredentials() in the action. got out of the ditch, but wondering if glasses would do good...
21:41 < _cheerios> i do recommend the 1action1view patch. makes working with agavi much nicer, imo.
21:42 < _cheerios> loginView sample (input+success for output_type=html): http://pastie.org/406452
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22:04 < graste> gets you some big files, doesn't it?
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22:05 < _cheerios> i have very little code in my views. it's mostly in modules and actions.
22:06 < _cheerios> most of my views just have empty placeholder methods
22:17 < graste> :>
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22:42 < _cheerios> heh http://www.frontalaufprall.com/2009/03/03/book-your-holiday-in-the-concentration-camp/
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07:00 < v-dogg> huomenta
07:09 < saracen_> define "hello"
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07:45 < digitarald> Huomenta
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07:59 < liutis> huomenta
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08:05 < horros> Huomenta.
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08:48 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:51 < MikeSeth> huomenta
08:53 < _cheerios> what you been upto in recent months MikeSeth? seemed like you got overwhelmed by work?
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09:03 < graste_> huomenta
09:06 < _cheerios> figures. keep stumbling on stupid ubuntu bugs all the time.
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09:07  * graste_ likes his ubuntu at home
09:09 < MikeSeth> work :<
09:09 < MikeSeth> grrrr
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09:14 < graste_> Agavi sticks out of the gloomy mishmash http://www.flickr.com/photos/kirth/3316284145/ :D
09:14 < ixulai> Morning from teh uk
09:15  * horros points ixulai at http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta
09:15 < horros> :)
09:15 < ixulai> Ooo
09:15 < ixulai> Huomenta
09:15 < ixulai> :)
09:16 < horros> :)
09:16 < graste_> <:
09:16 < ixulai> graste_: Did you go to PHPUK?
09:16 < graste_> no, I'm not 1337 and web2.0 enough
09:16 < graste_> and it's php :P
09:17 < ixulai> Me either. One of the speakers sits across teh desk from me tho :p
09:17 < ixulai> Thats my claim to fame
09:18 < ixulai> Is Felix about?
09:18 < v-dogg> nope
09:19 < _cheerios> anyone have insider information as to when 5.3 would be released?
09:19 < ixulai> What nick does he go by? Wanted to chat to him about contributing / proofreading docs.
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09:32 < v-dogg> ixulai: Xylakant
09:33 < ixulai> Cool, thanks v-dogg :)
09:34 < graste_> you could proofread my faq :D
09:35 < graste_> tutorial's more important though, I'd say <:
09:37 < _cheerios> url?
09:38 < v-dogg> _cheerios: I think I read Q1/2009 somewhere
09:38 < v-dogg> but this is a thing that annoys me too - php.net is so sucky 
09:40 < _cheerios> v-dogg, while doing what?
09:41 < v-dogg> trying to find what's going on
09:41 < v-dogg> development wise
09:43 < graste_> _cheerios: http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html
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09:55 < macen> i wonder if there could be some kind of cheat sheet for agavi
09:56 < macen> probably very difficult because everything configurable so..
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09:57 < macen> graste_: that faq is handy tyvm
09:57 < macen> didn't know it was yours!
09:57 < macen> just read it now.
09:58 < macen> man, so tired today :|
09:59 < horros> graste_: Great stuff!
10:00 < graste_> as it says...work in progress - take it with a grain of salt
10:00 < _cheerios> graste_, s/inofficial/unofficial?
10:00 < graste_> :x
10:01 < graste_> hm
10:01 < macen> keep it all on one page pls :) FF's Find text is useful when looking for something random ;)
10:01 < graste_> yep
10:02 < graste_> wtf does dict find both versions of un/inofficial
10:02 < graste_> doesn't make it easier to decide :p
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10:03 < _cheerios> graste_, hmm, it does seem to be a word. is that uk/us distinction there?
10:04 < graste_> dunno, wondering about that atm
10:06 < horros> inofficial is ye olde English.
10:07 < horros> "Get better dictionaries; contemporary Oxford and
10:07 < horros> Collins don't have it. (The only thing I have which does is Webster's
10:07 < horros> 1913, which would be about right - a century or so out of date). The
10:07 < horros> word does not occur in contemporary English"
10:07 < horros> Oops, sorry, wonky paste :(
10:07 < _cheerios> ty. as i rarely see anyone use the "in" version
10:08 < horros> In´of`fi´cial  blahblahblah
10:08 < _cheerios> but, google gives 50/50 on both -- so i must be biased
10:09 < horros> Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam Co.
10:09 < horros> Note: "published 1913" :)
10:09 < graste_> google war!
10:09 < graste_> it'son!
10:09 < graste_> =)
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10:11 < horros> It's not on. Use "unofficial" :)
10:12  * horros <- SAGP
10:12 < horros> (Self-Appointed Grammar Police)
10:14 < macen> lols
10:15 < graste_> good
10:15 < graste_> no change we can believe in
10:15 < graste_> <:
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10:16 < _cheerios> comprehensive looking faq, lots of stuff there
10:16 < graste_> just message me, when you got some good questions/answers
10:16 < graste_> to add them
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10:23 < MikeSeth> yarrr
10:23 < MikeSeth> graste_: "unofficial"! 
10:24 < graste_> :>
10:25 < MikeSeth> btw its very useful
10:26 < MikeSeth> graste_: one correction
10:26 < MikeSeth> in question 99
10:26 < graste_> hehe, tell me :)
10:26 < MikeSeth> you actually need the <handlers> block around it
10:26 < MikeSeth> if you just paste the code as it is in the ticket to config_handlers.xml it will fail silently 
10:26 < graste_> okay
10:27 < graste_> will fix it, when I have the time - thx :)
10:28 < MikeSeth> also in routing
10:29 < MikeSeth> where it says "The most important thing to remember is, that you have to validate all routing parameters to be able to use them in your actions and views."
10:29 < MikeSeth> that isnt exactly correct
10:29 < graste_> that's the feedback I need
10:29 < graste_> how'd you put it?
10:29 < MikeSeth> in strict validation mode (default in new applications) you have to validate all parameters, routing or not
10:30 < graste_> there are probably a lot of these smaller glitches in it as I'm new to Agavi :)
10:30 < MikeSeth> in relaxed mode it doesnt matter if the parameter was collected by a route match or from POST or URL query string
10:31 < MikeSeth> also, you should *not* make case insensitive URLs
10:31 < MikeSeth> especially on public websites - that's a potential SEO disaster
10:31 < graste_> hey, it's a note below it ^^
10:32 < graste_> it's just an example to show you, that you can use all this PCRE stuff :)
10:32 < graste_> and case-insensitive matching could be useful, if you redirect after it or something - you don't have to use it for the whole URL :)
10:33 < MikeSeth> oh nice caching groups support callbacks now
10:33 < hZilla> re: tutorial. since agavi is in strict validation mode some people might get caught out eg. slots and post_id
10:33 < MikeSeth> that FAQ is sure useful
10:33 < MikeSeth> especially for new folks
10:34 < graste_> like me \o/
10:35 < MikeSeth> ok now onwards to finish my openflashchart integration
10:36 < graste_> :>
10:43 < hZilla> is it possible to append a style sheet to a layout from a slot?
10:46 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: blog that when you are done
10:52 < graste_> yes, hZilla
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11:26 < v-dogg> kaffe
11:27 < Wombert> huomenta
11:27 < v-dogg> hai
11:33 < horros> mmmm
11:33 < horros> kaffe
11:33 < horros> <3
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12:03 < digitarald|> my professor just told me that can defend my degree work via videocam ... but for me these new technologies feel very awkward.
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12:13 < benschi> digitarald|: But it really is something different when you stand infront of the people, cuz you get to see their reacitions.
12:14 < digitarald|> I totally agree
12:15 < digitarald|> brb
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12:51 < E_mE> ah narfq
12:51 < E_mE> afternoon nfq 
12:51 < E_mE> hehe narrrrrfffffqqqq
12:51 < MikeSeth> digitarald: huh
12:52 < MikeSeth> digitarald: so you basically can have another guy with a laptop sitting behind the cam and googling all the arguments?
12:52 < MikeSeth> sounds like a winner strategy lol
12:52 < graste_> that would probably take him too long
12:52 < graste_> :>
12:53 < graste_> but hey - defending a degree is the last thing you have too worry about - it's basically about a subject you did some research for at least ^^
12:53 < graste_> so you're prepared, no matter what
12:53 < MikeSeth> right, right
12:53 < graste_> -o
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13:12 < kon> hi where to insert customized route encoding? AgaviRouting::gen is wasy to override for outgoing routes but where to override the incomming one?
13:15 < graste_> ?
13:15 < kon> AgaviRouting::parseRouteString() seems to be the one iam looking for right
13:16 < kon> i want to use the xml based routing without having a human readable url inside the browser
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13:16 < kon> like this one myhost/?4ad6ea4d4e654a65d46e5456a
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13:21 < graste_> hm, multiple possibilities jump to mind
13:21 < graste_> ask Wombert :D
13:21 < graste_> first choice
13:24 < graste_> a) a global filter could set module and action to execute based on some info or b) perhaps you could use a default matching route with a routing callback, that calculates the module/action to use - and then set a request param to use for further matching routes (with callbacks as well)
13:24 < graste_> just a guess
13:27 < horros> Bah.
13:27 < horros> They passed Lex Nokia :x
13:28 < graste_> :<
13:28 < kon> mh mkay i would make some tries
13:29 < horros> http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/03/parliament_passes_quotlex_nokiaquot_bill_589012.html
13:31 < graste_> welcome to 1984
13:31 < horros> Like co-worker said, I hardly think industrial espionage these days is someone mailing from address teppo@nokia.fi an attachment called "new_communicator_specs.pdf" to carl@sonyericsson.com
13:31 < horros> :x
13:32 < graste_> hehe
13:32 < graste_> correct
13:32 < graste_> they use skype (because it's encrypted!!1!) =)
13:32 < graste_> ^^
13:33 < horros> Alternatively, just copy the specs onto a USB-drive, take it home and use gmail
13:33 < graste_> <:
13:33 < MikeSeth> graste_: NSA is offering $100m to anyone who creates the technology to crack skype encryption
13:33 < graste_> yeah, officially
13:33 < MikeSeth> (which presumable includes capacity to tap into p2p)
13:34 < MikeSeth> I bet Skype pledged $100m to NSA 
13:34 < MikeSeth> win marketing ploy lol
13:34 < graste_> didn't skype just tell everyone that they would work together with governments/agencies and teh like?
13:34 < graste_> seems to me like a nice marketing stunt for both sides
13:34 < graste_> yeah
13:39 < MikeSeth> *shrug* i dont use skype anyway
13:39 < MikeSeth> i dont like talking to people
13:39 < MikeSeth> ;P
13:40 < graste_> nerd :P
13:40 < graste_> that's the reason you go to conferences, eh?
13:40 < graste_> ^^
13:41 < graste_> btw NSA should use the $100m to pay some energy bills and buy a power plant or two =)
13:42 < horros> I don't think $100m buys you a very good power plant.
13:43 < graste_> hehe, it's america with its good landlines
13:43 < MrJeep> good morning
13:43 < graste_> perhaps they can buy cpu time and energy from google data centres =)
13:44 < graste_> google power
13:44 < graste_> prolly their next product ^^
13:44 < digitarald> graste_: I think the same, just going there, presenting my points and backstabbing the prof if he asks really stupid questions
13:44 < horros> Results 1 - 10 of about 1,080,000,000 for power
13:44 < horros> :c
13:44 < digitarald> but he is a nice guy
13:45 < digitarald> google data ;)
13:45 < digitarald> oh wait, the next gold: google water ;)
13:45 < graste_> <:
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13:56 < hZilla> hello. If i have a form in a slot, such as on the blog tutorial and hit submit it doesn't call the action and instead tries to load the template for that slot. However, since its in a slot it's calling a non existent template... how can i call teh executeWrite action?
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14:00 < hZilla> maybe this will explain, advice appreciated: http://pastie.org/407099
14:02 < MikeSeth> hZilla: this is a common problem
14:02 < graste_> validation
14:02 < saracen_> hZilla: You could make a new route, which actually points to the slots action, and use constraint="write" in the route, so that it can't be read.
14:02 < graste_> ?
14:02  * MikeSeth looks
14:04 < MikeSeth> wait
14:04  * hZilla waits
14:06 < MikeSeth> saracen_ is right 
14:06 < MikeSeth> what you want is a special rule
14:07 < MikeSeth> with constrain= attribute
14:07 < saracen_> Man, I'm right for once =)
14:07 < graste_> ^^
14:07 < MikeSeth> the problem here is http
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14:07 < hZilla> is it calling the template because of validation error?
14:08 < hZilla> i would expect it to call the action
14:08 < hZilla> executeWrite
14:08 < MikeSeth> the action in the slot?
14:08 < MikeSeth> for that to happen the main action's view (that sets up the slots) must be executed
14:09 < MikeSeth> if the action didn't appoint that view, then you get no slots
14:09 < hZilla> the action in the form post route /blog/2 in this case => ViewPostAction->executeWrite
14:09 < MikeSeth> oh wait
14:09 < MikeSeth> im confused
14:10 < MikeSeth> i need to get my shit together and read the whole paste for once!
14:10 < graste_> defaultViewName() / handleError()?
14:10 < MikeSeth> hZilla: look in ViewPostAction; under which conditions does it call the input view?
14:12 < hZilla> ah its only executeRead
14:12 < MikeSeth> hZilla: http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/slots.html
14:12 < MikeSeth> that's *exactly* what you're doing :D
14:13 < hZilla> yeh basically... let me have a look some more... btw u should mention the validation gotcha in the slot call: post_id wont get validated in the slot by default
14:14 < hZilla> shit i put the execute write in the slot action instead of the viewpost action
14:14 < MikeSeth> it won't if you have the strict mode on, which is mentioned in the tutorial :P
14:15 < hZilla> ok
14:15 < MikeSeth> hZilla: that's how it should be done though! if your action is responsible for viewing blog posts, it should *not* be adding comments in its executeWrite()
14:15 < MikeSeth> but it does  http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3681015,00.html
14:15 < MikeSeth> err
14:15 < MikeSeth> wrong.
14:15 < MikeSeth> disregard, cocks etc
14:15 < MikeSeth> lol
14:16 < MikeSeth> hZilla: your executeWrite in ViewPost should do the same as executeRead(), and the view should set up a slot action which then will add the comment in its own executeWrite()
14:16 < hZilla> right!
14:16 < hZilla> got it
14:16 < hZilla> thank you
14:17 < MikeSeth> ill go smoke a ciggie
14:20 < hZilla> so when u load the slot after an executeWrite, it knows to call the executeWrite of the slot also?
14:21 < MikeSeth> hZilla: yes. Request parameters, output type and execution method (read/write etc) are copied from the parent container when you do $this->createSlotContainer() (which is mapped to $this->container->createExecutionContainer() that actually copies them)
14:21 < MikeSeth> you can override it all of course.. though you don't need to in this case
14:22 < hZilla> magic
14:24 < MikeSeth> hZilla: Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
14:24 < graste_> arthur c. clarke fans in here?
14:24 < graste_> :P
14:26 < hZilla> ok last question... in the validation for the comment post, how can i specify that a field is required only if the method is write?
14:26 < hZilla> let me guess... constraint?
14:27 < graste_> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_1
14:27 < graste_> method="write"
14:28 < hZilla> ok thank u - should keep checking your faq
14:29 < graste_> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#general_16 has a createSlotContainer example with the last parameter missing (which is the request method like read or write etc)
14:29 < graste_> think I should add it
14:29 < graste_> thx for pointing that out :)
14:30 < hZilla> glad i can help :)
14:35 < Rayne> where should be 3rd party libs stored?
14:35 < Rayne> libs/?
14:36 < Rayne> should they be registered in autoload.xml?
14:38 < graste_> however you want them - I wouldn't store them in app/libs though as they are not libs of your project - I would add them to the same level as your project folder - so ROOT/PORJECTNAME/app/...  and ROOT/libraries/firstlib 
14:42 < Rayne> and how should they be initialized? registered to agavi or "direct loading" when required (via an absolute or relative path)?
14:45 < graste_> autoload, I'd say - perhaps store an autoload.xml in the root of each of your libs and xinclude them in you project's autoload.xml
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14:47 < Rayne|aedion> graste_, would this be <ae:include /> or <xi:include />?
14:50 < graste_> http://pastie.org/407147
14:50 < graste_> :>
14:51 < graste_> if this snippet helps you, I think about adding it to the faq
14:51 < Rayne|aedion> fine
14:51 < graste_> would be nice, if you give some feedback after you implemented it for yourself in some probably other way :)
14:51 < Rayne|aedion> thanks graste_ 
14:51 < Rayne|aedion> i will try it
14:52 < graste_> good luck
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15:00 < Rayne|aedion> in which file is  » global_libraries_dir« defined?
15:00 < Rayne|aedion> %app.global_libraries_dir%
15:01 < graste_> you could do that in config.php or index.php
15:01 < graste_> AgaviConfig::set(...)
15:02 < graste_> AgaviConfig::set("app.global_libraries_dir", dirname(dirname(dirname(__FILE__))).'/libraries');
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15:05 < Rayne|aedion> is app.global_lib*_dir not definied by default graste_ ?
15:07 < graste_> core.lib_dir is defined by default imho
15:07 < graste_> but not app.global_libraries_dir as this is just for your third party stuff
15:08 < graste_> as I tried to tell you: it's all dependant on your likes and dislikes and requirements etc
15:08 < graste_> :>
15:09 < Rayne|aedion> on my installation lib_dir is not defined but inside the config.php is written as comment: »<core.app_dir>/lib«. weird.
15:09 < graste_> uncomment it <:
15:09 < graste_> or whatever :>
15:09 < Rayne|aedion> heh, need to write it - it's a "table styled comment" :P
15:11 < Rayne|aedion> but first i'll take a coffee :)
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15:32 < saracen_> http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6659/concerns.jpg
15:32 < saracen_> work safe
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15:42 < Rayne|aedion> graste_, what do i have to write inside the libraries xml config? i tried <?xml [...] <ae:configuration>[...]<autoload [...] but it returned only the error message "Line 0: failed to load external entity" and "file could not be parsed"
15:43 < Rayne|aedion> the weird thing is that the exception displays <agavi-src>/libs/myLib.xml (or if i used the same structure as graste_ <agavi-src/libs/myLib/autoload.xml)
15:45 < graste_> don't understand you tbh - the autoload of each library would look something like this: http://pastie.org/407206
15:45 < graste_> if you can't get xincludes to work just try autoloading files directly in your project's autoload.xml
15:47 < Rayne|aedion> i will use this in the project's autoload.xml temporary - i got not enough sleep tonight and so i am badly exhausted. anyway: thank you again
15:48 < graste_> no worries, you're welcome
16:12 < macen> i was just shown the output of an email marketing campaign from a leading UK company
16:12 < macen> not one graph to be seen
16:12 < macen> :o
16:13 < macen> not even some excel generated thing
16:13 < macen> heh
16:14 < graste_> graphs are often misleading :p
16:16 < macen> i think you mean statistics are often misleading ;)
16:20 < graste_> depends on their quality and premises
16:21 < hZilla> hey guys how about a stage 2 tutorial which is a shopping cart?
16:21 < hZilla> :p
16:23 < graste_> hehe
16:26 < _cheerios> gawd. took over 2hrs for food to come x_X
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16:46 < macen> "Note: With very little effort, you could enable AJAX form validation and submission. This would only require a slight modification of Views and templates. We'll see how this done later on."
16:47 < macen> don't think this is correct?
16:47  * macen off
16:48 < saracen_> Seems correct to me ;x
16:48 < saracen_> I need helps
16:50 < saracen_> Say I has a user uploading files as part of a form which includes a bunch of other inputs - when validation throws an error - What happens to the uploaded files? I need a decent method for "keeping them around", without having to submit the forms data in to a database (preferably). Do you think its wise to save the uploads, generate some unique id which I can then feed back in to the form using FPF and save this information to the session?
16:52 < PyroBilly> I think you are trying to hack around saving the draft data in the DB. Actually, saving drafts like this is a good pattern, and a necessary part of multi-page multi-session wizards
16:52 < PyroBilly> so don't fight it, go with it
16:52 < PyroBilly> embrace it and then you will become happy
16:58 < v-dogg> macen: ?
16:58 < macen> it doesn't show you later on?
17:00 < macen> i really have to go :sd
17:00 < macen> byee
17:00 < _cheerios> too. stuffed. to. head. home.
17:01 < saracen_> PyroBilly: So just sotre it in the db, and expire it if it nevers gets completed?
17:01 < saracen_> store*
17:01 < saracen_> I suppose I could do that
17:01 < saracen_> And always redirect them to the edit action, no matter what the validation error, and fill that up with the FPF values
17:04 < v-dogg> I don't know what macen was referring to but enabling ajax form submission and sending validation errors back as json (and inject them in the client side) is piece of cake
17:04 < v-dogg> but maybe you were talking about something else
17:05 < saracen_> v-dogg: He's just saying that it doesn't show you how to do it later on.
17:07 < _cheerios> http://github.com/blog/354-php-in-erlang
17:07 < Rayne|aedion> i added a class to the autoloader but the loader does not autoload the class. i checked Agavi::$autoloads and it contains mthe added class and its defined autoload name (with correct path). any idea why autoloading does not work?
17:07 < _cheerios> why do you think its not loading it, Rayne?
17:09 < v-dogg> aa, roger that, saracen_ 
17:10 < Rayne|aedion> _cheerios, "Fatal error: Class 'LibPaginator' not found"
17:10 < Rayne|aedion> i tried it in the view but i think it does not matter if i try it inside the view tempalte or in the view class or whatever
17:12 < v-dogg> Rayne|aedion: double check filename and the class name in it (case too!)
17:12 < saracen_> Rayne|aedion: pastie pastie - also, you _sure_ you have the path correct? =)
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17:12 < v-dogg> and then add die(__FILE__) into the file to see if it's loaded
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17:13 < _cheerios> Rayne|aedion, Agavi would throw an error if it couldn't autoload it. Likely the class name is wrong in the class itself.
17:13 < v-dogg> yeah, true. Agavi checks that the file exists
17:13 < Rayne|aedion> i wondered why agavi didn't throw an error - let me check that
17:14  * saracen_ wonders if the filename has been used for the class name
17:23 < Rayne|aedion> my paste: http://pastie.org/private/rw4phrn6eoavog27afdw
17:25 < _cheerios> is your class named "Paginator" in paginator.class.php?
17:25 < graste_> is that relative path correct? 
17:26 < Rayne|aedion> _cheerios, yes
17:26 < graste_> bbl
17:26 < Rayne|aedion> graste_, i think so, because its absolute path (created by agavi) is correct
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17:31 < saracen_> 17:10:07 < Rayne|aedion> _cheerios, "Fatal error: Class 'LibPaginator' not found"
17:31 < saracen_> name="Paginator"
17:31 < saracen_> That would appear to be your problem
17:31 < saracen_> Agavi loads the class based upon the name attribute.
17:32 < saracen_> Call it LibPaginator, and it will probably work
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17:32 < saracen_> Rayne|aedion @highlight ^
17:32 < Rayne|aedion> saracen_, i renamed it for testing only
17:32 < Rayne|aedion> sorry
17:32 < saracen_> Oh
17:32 < saracen_> Are they the same name now?
17:33 < Rayne|aedion> yes
17:33 < saracen_> And it still doesn't work? =(
17:33 < Rayne|aedion> no, does not
17:33 < Rayne|aedion> i can try to delete agavis cache but do not think that this will help
17:33 < Rayne|aedion> no, it does not :(
17:34 < saracen_> ../libs/MyPaginator/paginator.class.php
17:34 < saracen_> Is that still what youre doing?
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17:35 < saracen_> Thats a libs directory on the same level as app, rather than app/libs, right?
17:35 < Rayne|aedion> yes, same level as app
17:36 < Wombert> it needs to be an absolute path
17:36 < Rayne|aedion> as far as i remember agavi-dist created it
17:36 < Wombert> <autoload name="Paginator">%core.app_dir%/../libs/MyPaginator/paginator.class.php</autoload>
17:36 < Wombert> well, libs/ is usually just for big runtime libraries
17:36 < Wombert> such as agavi, doctrine, ...
17:37 < Wombert> custom lib stuff for the app *usually* resides in app/lib
17:37 < Wombert> but doesn't have to
17:37 < saracen_> I call it vendor :P
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17:38 < saracen_> Wombert: Even with what you pasted, if agavi wasn't loading it, shouldnt an exception have been thrown?
17:38 < Rayne|aedion> Wombert, agavi creates with this relative path a working absolute path so i wonder if this is the problem. but i will try this.
17:38 < Wombert> Rayne|aedion: pardon?
17:40 < Rayne|aedion> Wombert, the relative path "../libs/MyPaginator..." creates the equal absolute path as "%core.app_dir%/libs/MyPag..." does.
17:40 < saracen_> You mean "%core.app_dir%/../libs/MyPag..."?
17:41 < Rayne|aedion> yes, i mean that saracen_ 
17:41 < saracen_> But even still, its nicer to use what Wombert posted
17:41 < saracen_> It does avoid this confusion, somewhat, rather than guessing your relative path
17:42 < Rayne|aedion> it is quite confusing because i have no idea why this does not work (agavi knows the real absolute path). yes it is nicer saracen_.
17:42 < saracen_> Rayne|aedion: How are you trying to access this class, anyway?
17:43 < Rayne|aedion> saracen_, what do you exatcly mean by accessing? $foo = new Paginator ();
17:43 < saracen_> Yeah, I see
17:43 < Wombert> does the file have that class? :p
17:44 < Wombert> agavi would throw an error if it couldn't read the file
17:44 < Wombert> (during compilation=
17:44 < saracen_> Also check the permissions, I guess
17:44 < Wombert> nah we're doing is_readable() checks during compilation for that very reason
17:45 < saracen_> Ah
17:45 < Rayne|aedion> Wombert, agavi does not load this class - it would throw an exception if it would try to load it (i added an exception inside the class' file)
17:45 < saracen_> Rayne|aedion: But the classes you're calling, is it actually defined in that file?
17:45 < saracen_> With what name, etc.
17:45 < Rayne|aedion> saracen_, yes, it is
17:45 < Rayne|aedion> and permissions are allright
17:46 < saracen_> And the class name is the same as the name="" attribute?
17:47 < Rayne|aedion> yes, it is
17:47 < Rayne|aedion> the full error code: Fatal error: Class 'Paginator' not found in /opt/lampp/htdocs/<the-app>/app/modules/Public/templates/IndexSuccess.phtml on line 30
17:47 < Rayne|aedion> and on line 30 i try to create a new instance
17:47 < Rayne|aedion> no
17:47 < Rayne|aedion> wtf
17:47 < Rayne|aedion> wait
17:48  * saracen_ hopes for glaringly obvious mistake
17:48 < Rayne|aedion> line 30 is EOL
17:48 < Rayne|aedion> s/EOL/EOF
17:49 < Rayne|aedion> that makes no sense. i will check that tomorrow if i am not so tired like now.
17:49 < saracen_> =)
17:49 < Rayne|aedion> if i found the problem i will write a note here
17:49 < Wombert> restart apache?
17:49 < Wombert> apc is weird sometimes
17:49 < Wombert> or do you use xcache
17:49 < Wombert> or eaccelerator
17:50 < Rayne|aedion> no, onlay apache2
17:50 < Rayne|aedion> no change
17:52 < Rayne|aedion> weird thing:
17:52 < Rayne|aedion> require_once Agavi::$autoloads['Paginator']; $paginator = new Paginator (Paginator::$MODE_ZOOOMED);
17:52 < Rayne|aedion> works
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18:08 < Rayne|aedion> erm... i removed this require and now it works, too. i deleted the cache multiple times but it does not "break" again so it seems to work. but i have no idea why it did not work earlier (i haven't changed anything). so, this was enough rayne stuff for now. ;-)
18:09 < saracen_> =)
18:38 < trophaeum> ne1 usin zend_pdf with code to auto box text? seems it still doesnt do it by itself?
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20:40 < graste> .
20:48 < matbtt> Huomenta! This is OT but maybe somebody can share his thougts. Do you expose the IDs of your objects in IDs in your URLs or not?
20:49 < matbtt> Example: /accounts/xxxxx vs. /accounts/matbtt
20:49 < saracen_> asonge: You here?
20:49 < asonge> yes
20:49 < saracen_> Who keeps unbanning me? ;x
20:50 -!- nfq_ is now known as nfq
20:52 < asonge> saracen_: what you mean?
20:52 < asonge> you were never botbanned
20:52 < asonge> regular bans timeout after 2 hours
20:53 < asonge> if a bot kicks you, it's probably a couple months
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21:47 < saracen_> asonge: I see
21:47 < impl> saracen_: is your friend from .no?
21:47 < saracen_> .dk
21:48 < impl> Someone signed up from .no and I don't know who it is :(
21:48 < saracen_> Err, atleast I was pretty sure he was .dk ;x
21:48 < impl> did he actually sign up?
21:48 < impl> 'cause there's no one from .dk in the DB
21:48 < saracen_> Whats his name?
21:49 < impl> Espen
21:49 < saracen_> Per?
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21:49 < impl> okay, this is someone else then
21:49 < saracen_> Erm, that might have been one of the others
21:49 < saracen_> In the same channel
21:49 < impl> oh
21:49 < saracen_> We do has some .nos
21:49 < impl> tell him to confirm his fucking account.
21:50 < saracen_> kk, I'm asking if we know him
21:50 < saracen_> I only know most by alias
21:51 < saracen_> impl: svn the src to that think and give me an account :P
21:51 < saracen_> that thing*
21:52 < impl> it's versioned with Mercurial
21:52 < impl> atm
21:52 < saracen_> SIGH
21:52 < saracen_> That'll do =)
21:52 < asonge> impl just has to be different man
21:52 < asonge> though i've already had the mercurial lecture from bnovc :)
21:53 < saracen_> I thought if cool kids werent using svn, they were using git
21:53 < asonge> saracen_: i know.
21:53 < asonge> i'm too cool for svn sometimes, so i've got a cuople git repos
21:53 < asonge> but impl has to do mercurial.
21:53 < impl> All the important projects use Mercurial
21:53 < impl> Java
21:53 < impl> Mozilla
21:53 < saracen_> I havent yet, but I will do. I know i'm at the correct cool level, its just time
21:54 < saracen_> impl: LINUX
21:54 < saracen_> THOSE THING RUN ON LINUX
21:54 < saracen_> which uses git
21:54 < asonge> iirc, chromium is running on git now too
21:55 < impl> chromium is not important
21:55 < asonge> i actually would like to use a lighter browser when i'm not developing
21:56 < asonge> ff with all my plugins sucks
21:56 < asonge> and i don't like konq
21:56 < saracen_> Do you think Mercurial is running on Mercurial?
21:56 < saracen_> Because thats a bit of a paradox isnt it?
21:56 < saracen_> Whole chicken before the egg thing
21:56 < asonge> saracen_: that's why you obviously migrate.
21:57 < asonge> after maturation
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21:58 < impl> IT RETURNS
21:58 < Ox40> hi impl
21:59 < impl> hai
21:59 < Ox40> :D
21:59 < impl> Ox40: did you sign up for elephpants
22:00 < Ox40> i didnt see a site yet
22:00 < impl> http://elephpants.feedtheculture.org/
22:00 < Ox40> is that you?
22:00 < impl> yes
22:00 < asonge> 41 now.
22:00 < asonge> ell oh ell
22:01 < asonge> impl: did you -webkit-border-radius too?
22:01 < impl> asonge: yes
22:01 < impl> of course, I have no way to test it
22:01 < asonge> and iirc, opera suports border-radius
22:01 < impl> but I don't really care :D
22:01 < impl> It has border-radius
22:01 < asonge> no konqueror?
22:01 < impl> it has all three
22:01 < impl> man nobody fucking uses Konqueror
22:01 < asonge> lol
22:01 < impl> I don't even use Konqueror, and I'm a KDE whore
22:02 < asonge> i use midori and safari on my windows VM to test webkit
22:02 < Ox40> yay elephpants :)
22:03 < asonge> impl: border radius looks really odd in midori, lol
22:03 < Ox40> How many should I get, 2 or 3?
22:03 < impl> fuck Midori, I've never even heard of that
22:03 < asonge> impl: it's just a gtk interface to webkit
22:03 < impl> Ox40: iunno, you're the one paying for it :P
22:03 < impl> asonge: ah
22:03 < asonge> of course it's got no features, but it renders the same...and that's all that fucking matters
22:05 < Ox40> 6 more elephpants
22:06 < impl> actually we have 47 if two people would confirm their accounts
22:06 < impl> I did not expect this to go up this quickly :P
22:06 < Ox40> heh me either
22:06 < Ox40> Nice job with the site, too btw
22:06 < impl> thanks
22:07 < impl> saracen_ / Ox40: I might distribute it as a sample Agavi application, considering it anyway
22:07 < asonge> impl: you using pdo or pgsql?
22:07 < impl> PDO
22:07 < Ox40> impl: ooh
22:07 < Ox40> :)
22:07 < Ox40> I just need to get muh db stuff workin now
22:08 < impl> asonge: it's not exactly mission critical enough that I need to put a lot of thought into how efficient different DB adapters are and shit ;p
22:08 < Ox40> in my Model class I have $context->getDatabase() but context is null
22:08 < impl> Ox40: ...$this->context?
22:08 < Ox40> heh will that work?
22:08 < Ox40> because its not extending anything
22:08 < asonge> impl: right, just wondered which one you liked better
22:08 < impl> No, the context is only available to AgaviModels
22:08 < asonge> impl: lots of pdo holdouts
22:08 < Ox40> ./models/ActiveRecord.php is my class
22:08 < asonge> and you have pg_insert and pg_update in pgsql
22:09 < Ox40> impl: Wait, agavi has models? I am so confused :|
22:09 < impl> asonge: yeah. and pg_prepare
22:09 < _cheerios> shit. did the big mistake of falling asleep after getting home after work. and now its midnight. :<
22:09 < impl> asonge: it wouldn't have made much difference, really
22:09 < asonge> _cheerios: and there was a man next to you and a dress on the floor!
22:09 < impl> _cheerios: oops :(
22:10 < _cheerios> twas the indian food we ordered to office. still stuffed. :<
22:10 < Ox40> So, can I access the getDatabase() function from inside my standalone class now?
22:10 < impl> Indian food <3
22:11 < impl> Ox40: You can only getDatabaseConnection() on a class that has access to the current AgaviContext
22:15 < asonge> Ox40: you can implement your own initialize to receive the context
22:15 < asonge> and implement AgaviIModel
22:16 < Ox40> Ok... I have an ActiveRecord (dont flame) model. I used to have a DB and a DAL class that it worked with to do stuff...
22:16 < asonge> Ox40: make the AR class implement AgaviIModel
22:17 < Ox40> Now, I just removed the DB and DAL classes to have my User model extend ActiveRecord, activeRecord uses $this->context->getDatabase(); right?
22:17 < Ox40> asonge: ahhhh that would work huh ;)
22:18 < asonge> should.
22:19 < Ox40> hmm, damn abstraction
22:20 < Ox40> print_r($this->context->getDatabase()) failure
22:20 < Ox40> Non-object.
22:20 < Ox40> should i use $this->getContext()->getDatabase() ?
22:37 < Ox40> *headdesk*
22:44 < impl> it's getDatabaseConnection
22:44 < impl> sir
22:44 < Ox40> heh, its failing at context...
22:45 < Ox40> hold on a second tho
22:47 < Ox40> Ok, my class implemnts AgaviIModel and must define a getContext() function...
23:08 < _cheerios> impl, do want php stuffed toy!
23:13 < _cheerios> pledged for 2
23:14 < Ox40> :)
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23:36 < impl> _cheerios: :D
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23:56 < Ox40> Ok, If I define Validation parameters... it doesnt pass non-validated fields.
23:59 < saracen_> No, not in strict mode
23:59 < saracen_> The idea is to validate all inputs
23:59 < Ox40> hmm, that makes sense.
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00:00 < Ox40> can Agavi Validator  'escape' all the fields?
00:00 < saracen_> you mean like, remove html tags?
00:02 < saracen_> It has the potential to, but you shouldnt really do that. I mean, if its a matter of matter of trimming white space / removing dashes or something like that, then you could. But for removing tags, you do that when actually outputting them
00:02 < saracen_> -of matter*
00:02 < saracen_> htmlspecialchars($string)
00:03 < Ox40> naw, im just saying... if the input is:
00:03 < Ox40> " or 1=1;
00:03 < Ox40> I want it to \" or 1=1;
00:13 < Ox40> Like, heres another simple thing... I want a validator that makes something a MAX of 50 chars, but not required
00:14 < graste> just do output escaping :P
00:14 < graste> gn8
00:14 < graste> string trim=true max 50
00:14 < graste> validator
00:14 < graste> :P
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00:14 < saracen_> Yeah that string validator can do that
00:15 < saracen_> as fir the whole " or 1=1;
00:15 < saracen_> thing
00:15 < saracen_> Do output escaping with that
00:15 < Ox40> output escaping?
00:15 < saracen_> Well, that looks like SQL injection, so you'd escape it using sql escaping functions, not reliant on agavis escaping
00:16 < saracen_> agavis validators*
00:16 < saracen_> Because chances are you'll miss something
00:16 < Ox40> bleh
00:16 < impl> you could write a LooksLikeSQLInjectionFilter that goes through all the inputs
00:17 < impl> and sees if they have apostrophes in them
00:17 < impl> and then rejects them
00:17 < impl> or dashes
00:17 < impl> can't have dashes either
00:17 < Ox40> impl: Conal O'Brien ?
00:17 < Ox40> :)
00:17 < saracen_> impl: But thats stupid
00:17 < saracen_> What if you want an apostrophe in the data to be stored? You wouldnt reject then
00:17 < saracen_> You'd escape them
00:17 < impl> saracen_: duhhhh.
00:18 < saracen_> But making a validator to escape that is pointless
00:18 < saracen_> POINTLESS
00:18 < Ox40> mmhm
00:19 < saracen_> i should probably go get drunk so I can sleep
00:20 < impl> pshaw
00:27 < Ox40> O_O
00:27 < Ox40> I swear, this shouldnt be so hard
00:28 < saracen_> whats hard?
00:29 < saracen_> no penis jokes, plz
00:37 < Ox40> lol
00:37 < Ox40> I mean, I can get/set a session variable to say a user is logged in...
00:37 < Ox40> but I know agavi has a getUser() function
00:37 < Ox40> just no idea how to use it, or if i should
00:41 < _cheerios> http://www.symfony-project.org/doc/1_2/ or http://book.cakephp.org/toc/309/Basic-Concepts should help you grasp the contents. Different frameworks, same ideas.
00:41 < _cheerios> *concepts, not contents.
00:55 < saracen_> Ox40: $this->getContext()->getUSer()->-setAttribute('hair-colour', 'brown');
00:55 < saracen_> err, but with correct syntax
00:55 < Ox40> hmmm
00:55 < saracen_> that actually sets a session variable
00:55 < Ox40> then $this->getContext()->getUser()->getAttribute('hair-color');
00:55 < Ox40> (notice the correct spelling of color ;))
00:56 < saracen_> Yeah :P
00:56 < saracen_> I'm British, fuck you :P
00:56 < saracen_> But obviously the user isnt just for setting session sata
00:56 < saracen_> err data*
00:56 < saracen_> It's sldo used for security stuff
00:56 < Ox40> hmmmmm
00:57 < saracen_> $this->getContext()->getUser()->isAutheticated() $this->getContext()->getUser()->setAuthenticated(true) and all that stuff, when you've logged them in against a database
00:57 < saracen_> and also setting credentials
00:57 < Ox40> I used to always do this in my loader: if($_SESSION['user_id'] != ""){ $user = new User($_SESSION['user_id']); }
00:58 < Ox40> And then I could use the User _object_ in my script
00:58 < saracen_> well you still will be using the user object
00:58 < saracen_> most people extend it
00:58 < Ox40> extend what?
00:59 < Ox40> I just need a way to see that the user is logged in..
00:59 < saracen_> AgaviSecurityUser
00:59 < saracen_> And then I have a function in my user class, login()
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00:59 < Ox40> But I want a globally accessible object...
00:59 < saracen_> The user object is globally accessible
00:59 < marioprudhomme> global $object >:)
00:59 < saracen_> via the context
00:59 < Ox40> lol
00:59 < saracen_> $this->getContext()->getUser()
01:00 < saracen_> In templates you can just use $us->
01:00 < Ox40> hmmmm
01:00 < marioprudhomme> what does $us stand for
01:00 < marioprudhomme> user?
01:00 < Ox40> but, it wont get updates on every page reload will it?
01:00 < Ox40> marioprudhomme: apparently
01:00 < saracen_> Ox40: Start out by extending agavisecurityuser, make your own class which extends it then tell agavi about it in the factories.xml file
01:00 < saracen_> Ox40: Like what?
01:01 < Ox40> hmmm
01:01 < marioprudhomme> reckon $user was short enough to not need abbr.
01:01 < Ox40> ;)
01:01 < Ox40> well, brb
01:01 < saracen_> marioprudhomme: Well its user configurable.
01:02 < marioprudhomme> heh
01:03 < saracen_> Ox40: Just check over how the sample app does it, its pretty self-explanatory. But everything relating to the user should be done through that class, really
01:03 < saracen_> dont go implementing ot yourself
01:03 < _cheerios> marioprudhomme, output_types.xml has the shortcut namings
01:03 < saracen_> yit*
01:03 < saracen_> Im off to bed, can hardlt type
01:03 < saracen_> nn!
01:08 < marioprudhomme> you guys seen flourish?
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01:19 < MugeSo> huomenta
01:39 < Ox40> hmm
01:39 < Ox40> OK. So...
01:40 < Ox40> if I extend the AgaviSecurityUser, I can... Make it so that when a new 'page' is loaded, it reloads the user?
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02:08 < asonge> Ox40: if you wanted. bad idea, imho.
02:09 < Ox40> why?
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02:57 < Ox40> So, I think im going to make an AgaviSimple framework ;)
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03:31 < impl> Ox40: I think you're going to fail miserably
03:31 < impl> :>
03:32 < Ox40> yeah
03:32 < Ox40> me too
03:32 < Ox40> but I totally dont understand agavi
03:32  * asonge knew this day would come.
03:32 < Ox40> I need someone to like... sit down and explain :)
03:32 < Ox40> but, that doesnt happen on IRC, unless someone asks ME a question
03:32 < asonge> Ox40: why don't you go in and read all the code that happens for a particular request.
03:32  * asonge teehee's
03:32 < Ox40> asonge: lol ya
03:33 < Ox40> Right.
03:33 < Ox40> I have tried reading thru stuff
03:33 < asonge> that's how i learned some of it.
03:33 < Ox40> I really have. Everything is SOOOO abstracted, its impossible
03:33 < asonge> lol
03:33 < asonge> Ox40: you're just not getting the intent.
03:33 < Ox40> Seriously tho, you know what I mean, right?
03:33 < Ox40> yeah something like that
03:34 < Ox40> Like, ok. User registration. A user has just been added to the database. I want their user object to be available for the rest of their session, and reaload from the DB for every request.
03:34 < Ox40> Then show the Dashboard.
03:34 < Ox40> How the heck do I do it? I mean.... bleh.
03:34 < asonge> that's a really stupid idea.
03:34 < asonge> it defeats the entire purpose of a session
03:34 < asonge> though it's easily possible
03:35 < Ox40> asonge: but wait.
03:35 < Ox40> I guess you are right
03:35 < Ox40> but am I supposed to loop thru the User object (from the DB) and $this->context->getUser()->setAttribute($key, $value); ?
03:35 < asonge> erm...no?
03:35 < Ox40> Then how do I access user information.
03:36 < Ox40> In my sidebar, I want to show their name.
03:36 < asonge> $this->context->getUser()->setAttributes($user); for one thing.
03:36 < Ox40> hmmm
03:36 < asonge> then in the view, do $us->getAttribute('username');
03:36 < asonge> Ox40: you can also use a session namespace.
03:36 < Ox40> But, why not $us->username ??
03:36 < asonge> well, why don't you implement that in your own user object?
03:36 < Ox40> well... I guess :)
03:37 < Ox40> But, where would I put it in my project?
03:37 < Ox40> not /models
03:37 < Ox40>  /lib?
03:37 < asonge> lib/model/ProjectUser.php
03:37 < asonge> app/lib/model/ProjectnameUser.php
03:37 < impl> no
03:37 < impl> app/lib/user
03:37 < asonge> yeah, forgot
03:37  * asonge feels dumb
03:38 < impl> :p
03:38 < Ox40> asonge: dont worry, Agavi makes me feel even worse ;)
03:38 < asonge> 0x but yeah, you get my meaning
03:38 < asonge> grrr
03:38 < Ox40> I guess...
03:38 < impl> why is working with PayPal such a pain in the ass
03:38 < impl> this sandbox shit is retarded
03:38 < Ox40> app/lib/user/LolbookUser.php has a class called User extends AgaviSecurityUser
03:38 < impl> call it LolbookUser
03:38 < asonge> Ox40: has a class called LolbookUser
03:39 < impl> then you need to add it to autoload.xml
03:39 < impl> and then you need to specify it in your factories.xml
03:39 < impl> as your user class
03:39 < Ox40> so... getUser will automatically use that one once I set it in factories?
03:39 < impl> yes
03:39 < impl> Impressive, I know.
03:39 < Ox40> lol :)
03:40 < Ox40> ok, so, while I work on that, is this 'wrong' ? http://rafb.net/p/kT7v5I86.html
03:40 < asonge> Ox40: and to save your sanity, in your LolbookBaseAction/View/Model, make a function getUser() that returns $this->context->getUser()
03:40 < Ox40> asonge: that will do what?
03:40 < asonge> so you can just $this->getUser
03:40 < impl> Ox40: I wouldn't store the password in the session
03:40 < asonge> save yourself the time
03:40 < impl> even md5'd
03:40 < Ox40> hmmm
03:40 < impl> no reason to, honestly
03:40 < Ox40> But, then I have to loop thru it all...
03:41 < Ox40> and not assign the session one.
03:41 < impl> Well, for instance my user models don't even have a way of accessing the password
03:41 < Ox40> *headdesk*
03:41 < Ox40> :P
03:41 < impl> public function createAccount(Account_AccountModel $account, Account_PasswordModel $password)
03:42 < asonge> lol
03:42 < Ox40> O.o
03:42 < Ox40> God, this would be SO easy without agavi ;)
03:42 < asonge> ...
03:43 < impl> I can't even imagine using PHP without Agavi anymore
03:43 < asonge> Ox40: really, you could just store your usermodel right into the user attribute
03:43 < impl> it's just such a piece of shit
03:43 < asonge> Ox40: then you can just $userModel = $this->getUser()->getAttribute('user');
03:44 < asonge> Ox40: why do you have to set each attribute individually?
03:44 < Ox40> i dont.
03:44 < Ox40> Im just trying to think
03:47 < asonge> there's your problem.
03:47 < Ox40> :|
03:48 < Ox40> Its just so bad that Agavi implements stuff... but its all a dead end
03:48 < Ox40> It implements a database manager, but nothing else
03:48 < asonge> you do have to do something.
03:48 < Ox40> it has ... a securityUser model, but it doesnt do anyhting (really...)
03:48 < asonge> it does
03:48 < Ox40> I mean, I know it does stuff
03:48 < Ox40> but...
03:48 < asonge> it supports you setting whether your user is authenticated or not.
03:48 < Ox40> meh
03:49 < asonge> and you can store any types of attributes
03:50 < asonge> you would do $_SESSION['user'] = $user; ...the agavi would do: $this->context->getUser()->setAttribute('user', $user);
03:50  * asonge doesn't see the difference.
03:50 < Ox40> so, whats the difference between $this->context and $this->getContext()
03:51 < asonge> nothing really
03:51 < asonge> getContext is a method call, and most classes store their context in $this->context.
03:51 < asonge> every once in a while someone does something and it's not there
03:51 < asonge> getContext() not being support is very bad (tm)
03:52 < asonge> just ->context sometimes doesn't work if you don't implement it the same way as most agavi classes
03:53 < Ox40> meh
03:53 < Ox40> _MEHHHH_
03:53 < Ox40> Agavi : Obfuscation at its best (TM)
03:54 < asonge> this seems personally reasonable to me.
03:54 < Ox40> I want an _effin_ e-book. Or a tutor to come her and do it for me.
03:54 < Ox40> Oh, where is the sample app?
03:54 < Ox40> I have been trying at trac.agavi.org but the trunk>samples seems to... not be wha tI want
03:55 < asonge> Ox40: it's also outdated, look in branches/
03:55 < Ox40> darn you guys
03:55 < Ox40> makin me think :)
03:56 < Ox40> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/models/ProductModel.class.php
03:56 < Ox40> What... the heck?
03:56 < Ox40> getId() return $this->id
03:56 < Ox40> who does that??
03:57 < asonge> people who want to control all access?
04:00 < Ox40> I guess...
04:01 < Ox40> seems a little silly, ya know?
04:07 < impl> It's very Javaish
04:07 < impl> anti-Pythonic
04:07 < Ox40> :P
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06:17 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:20 < OxC2D> huomenta
06:20 < OxC2D> <good night>
06:24 < impl> grar
06:24 < impl> the routing is forgetting the port number again
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07:00 < digitarald> Huomenta
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08:18 < liutis> huomenta
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08:31 < graste_> huomenta
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08:46 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:59 < horros> Oh yeah. Huomenta.
09:01 < _cheerios> http://www.jurriaanpersyn.com/archives/2009/02/12/database-sharding-at-netlog-with-mysql-and-php/
09:04 < _cheerios> btw. has anyone here used hypertable?
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09:20 < _cheerios> interesting http://mashable.com/2009/03/04/social-media-comments/
09:40 < MikeSeth_> huomenta
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09:44 < ixulai> huomenta
09:45 < ixulai> Forgot I had this open in this screen session :x
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09:51 < hZilla> hi if you have an executeWrite function that requires authentication, do you put an isAuthenticated() check in the action?
09:52 < impl> Just the write requires authentication, not the action in general?
09:52 < hZilla> yes
09:52 < hZilla> read is public
09:52 < impl> hmm
09:52 < impl> you might consider writing a slightly more capable SecurityFilter
09:53 < hZilla> must be a common requirement, say for posting comments to a blog
09:53 < impl> indeed
09:54 < hZilla> btw the isAuthenticated check does work but just wondering if there is a more official way of doing it
09:57 < _cheerios> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9X3K2dRMdM (Dataparty i Örebro 1993)
09:58 < impl> hZilla: oh - I know it works
09:58 < impl> hZilla: Like I said, I recommend writing a better SecurityFilter
10:00 < v-dogg> or check it in the validation (either with a validator or in validateWrite())
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10:01 < hZilla> ok so if i make validateWrite() that gets called before executeWrite? so i can move the check to there?
10:02 < v-dogg> yup
10:02 < impl> Wombert: THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT
10:03 < v-dogg> it always is
10:03 < impl> v-dogg: I don't think it should happen in the validation :\
10:03 < v-dogg> unless it's debian's
10:03 < impl> lawl
10:03 < v-dogg> why not?
10:03 < Wombert> impl: what is?
10:03 < Wombert> impl: brb
10:03 < impl> v-dogg: because I think it belongs in the security filter :P
10:03 < impl> Wombert: PayPal, basically. How're you feeling today?
10:04 < Wombert> bad
10:04 < Wombert> brb
10:04 < impl> :(
10:07  * MikeSeth {{{{{ Wombert }}}}}}
10:09 < Wombert> impl: tell nao
10:09 < Wombert> wat belongs into sec fiulter?
10:09 < impl> Wombert: having an isSecureOnWrite and isSecureOnRead or something
10:09 < graste_> what about other verbs?
10:10 < impl> well the thing figures out verbs automagically based on configs
10:10 < impl> :>
10:10 < graste_> magic
10:10 < graste_> we don't want to be rails, do we? :P
10:10 < MikeSeth> or isSecure() could return an array :P
10:10 < impl> it's been like that since the dawn of time
10:10 < Wombert> is that necessary
10:10 < Wombert> not sure
10:10 < Wombert> but could be done ofc
10:10 < Wombert> why are you up anyway, impl 
10:10 < Wombert> you stupid slacker
10:10 < impl> because
10:11 < impl> on Tuesday I nearly missed my midterm exam
10:11 < impl> at 9:30, I woke up at 9:17
10:11 < graste_> haha
10:11 < impl> well today
10:11 < impl> I'm not going to fucking miss my exam
10:11 < Wombert> because you didn't go to sleep
10:11 < Wombert> brilliant plan
10:11 < MikeSeth> in b4 clappin
10:11 < impl> hey
10:11 < impl> 60% > 0%
10:11 < impl> mmk
10:12 < MikeSeth> all is lol that ends lol, right? :P
10:12 < impl> of course
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11:45 < ixulai> Hey guys; how emebedded is the XML config?
11:45 < ixulai> I.e. If i were to so wish, could I configure Agavi in straight PHP?
11:47 < ixulai> I'm trying to get buy in from some colleagues so we can possibly put forward a proposal to use Agavi for some work projects but they seem to be hung up on the fact that config is all XML based :(
11:47 < E_mE> whats wrong with the XML configuration ixulai ?
11:47 < E_mE> makes life alot easier
11:50 < horros> I've never understood people's "OH MY GOOD! IT'S XML! RUN FOR THE HILLS!" -reactions.
11:50 < E_mE> ixulai: i believe it is possible to remove the XML configuration system if you so desire, but you then need to build the components to replace it (ie with your php based configuration) ... long as the information is stored in a consistent and useable form for agavi to process further down the process
11:51 < impl> No
11:52 < impl> It used to be possible to take out the XML, but not anymore
11:52 < impl> because... nobody ever did
11:52 < E_mE> oh.. ah well
11:52 < E_mE> sorry... i used old information
11:52 < impl> and XML had so many more features than the other implementation (ini)
11:52 < graste_> I don't get the argument in "they seem to be hung up on the fact that config is all XML based"
11:52 < E_mE> impl: would 0.11 be able to extract XML?
11:52 < impl> 'extract' ?
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11:53 < E_mE> remove the XML config system is what i ment impl .. sorry
11:53 < impl> Yeah, probably
11:53 < E_mE> ixulai: if speed is your concern, well agavi will automatically build a cache for you XML configurations and use those instead of the XML ... in live mode at least :)
11:53 < impl> indeed
11:54 < E_mE> impl: you just woken up.. must be like 6-7am where you are?
11:54 < impl> I don't sleep anymore
11:55 < impl> it's almost 7AM
11:55 < impl> exam at 9:30... and I'll be damned if I'm going to miss it
11:55 < E_mE> hehehe
11:55 < E_mE> ah you nutter impl ... hardly any sleep and exam :o
11:55 < E_mE> whats the exam about?
11:55 < impl> Discourse analysis
11:55 < impl> and it's essay-writing, so I can totally just BS it.
11:56  * impl is not worried
11:56 < E_mE> Discourse analysis.. never heard that before
11:56 < E_mE> what you studying at uni?
11:56 < impl> Linguistics
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11:56 < impl> It's basically the study of the 'macro' elements of languages, stuff beyond just the structure of sentences
11:57 < impl> Patterns of conversation, social identities, that sort of thing
11:57 < impl> (Discourse analysis is, not linguistics)
11:57 < E_mE> that certainly different, big respect out to you impl ...
11:57 < impl> haha, thanks, I think :P
11:58 < E_mE> so what will you be able to use your new lLinguistics skills for?
11:58 < E_mE> AI on language or so ;)
11:58 < impl> Spying on people for the US government
11:58 < impl> *g*
11:58 < impl> I have no idea, really
11:58 < E_mE> certainly sounds interesting, im gonna wiki this one :)
11:59 < E_mE> your gonna be Obama's helpy helpy ;)
11:59 < ixulai> Eugh, sorry guys. Management bugging me. 
11:59 < impl> D:
12:00 < ixulai> E_mE: I don't know what the hang up is tbh. Initially i was like "XML based DSL for config smells funny" but after investigation it looks like its got some very string advantages
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12:00 < ixulai> s/string/strong/
12:01 < ixulai> Basically I think I just need an argument to placate. So if it is feasible I can go back and say "look, if you don't like the XML it can be done in other ways but try the XML first"
12:02 < impl> ixulai: they are aware that the configuration is cached to raw PHP in production mode right?
12:03 < ixulai> impl: Yeah
12:03 < impl> So they just don't like writing XML? :\
12:04 < ixulai> They claim they've no problem with XML but XML gets a lot of stick here cause projects in the past have always abused it.
12:05 < impl> ah
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13:00 < graste_> .
13:03 < impl> !
13:07 < aka> Huomenta!!!
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13:21 < hZilla> how does one abuse XML?
13:24 < ixulai> By using it where it shouldn't be for pointless gratification then stuffing the entire document in a database column for extra lols
13:25 < ixulai> And not using any useful features of xml such as schema validation
13:27 < hZilla> ha ok
13:29 < aka> orr if you snort to many lines of it
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13:52 < MrJeep> huomenta
13:58 < aka> huomenta
14:06 < saracen_> finally, I can see again
14:15 < horros> Let me ask you guys too:
14:15 < horros> Do I have to have an application "ready" in order to use the Google Maps API?
14:16 < horros> It wants to know the "website" :x
14:19 < saracen_> You embed the map using javascript, so it knows the website thats using it
14:19 < saracen_> So yeah, you need to give it the website
14:19 < _cheerios> iirc, just a domain check, so it works on the domain specified
14:19 < saracen_> Annoying going from development to production, as you need too different api keys for two different "websites"
14:19 < saracen_> two different*
14:20 < horros> How stupid.
14:20 < horros> That means I can't really develop locally, but need to push the app onto the development server every time I want to change something.
14:21 < horros> Incredibly annoying.
14:21 < saracen_> well, how do you access it locally?
14:21 < horros> Umm...
14:21 < saracen_> I have a local dns server, I think I just used the local address for one key
14:21 < horros> http://localhost ?
14:21 < saracen_> Might work =)
14:22 < saracen_> Mine are like: application_name.local.fiveturns.org
14:22 < horros> I can't make heads or tails from this :(
14:22 < saracen_> horros: if it doesnt like localhost, just fill some random domain name in your hosts file and it might work =)
14:22 < graste_> indeed
14:22 < horros> What exactly is it doing with the host name anyway?
14:23 < graste_> I once had like 3 domains registered and had to switch maps api key around
14:23 < graste_> to make it work on localhost virtual domains
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14:23 < saracen_> horros: Limiting it per domain name - Although, I dont see why an api-key per application wouldnt just do the same job ;x
14:24 < horros> Mmh, so I can add "smegface.localhost" to my hosts file and use that as my "website" when signing up for the API key?
14:24 < ixulai> You can get around having to change api keys by setting up a proxy for local development purposes.
14:25 < ixulai> Then you access both dev and production through the same url ... just make sure you know when you've got the proxy on ;)
14:25 < saracen_> horros: Yeah, or if it checks for a valid domain, just put: smegface.horros.com in your hosts file
14:25 < _cheerios> horros: could be for the cross-site communication between your site and googles server, so any hidden iframe they insert knows where to send the data back etc.
14:26 < horros> GAH!
14:26 < horros> This is all stupid!
14:28 < horros> Having to change the API-key after the app is ready to go live is not an issue.
14:29 < horros> I'ma try and see what happens.
14:29 < _cheerios> been working with facebook connect lately. got different domains + api keys for local, test, prod etc.
14:30 < horros> What is this "facebook connect" you speak of?
14:30 < horros> Gah
14:31 < horros> I can't remember my gmail password.
14:33 < horros> and I can't make ANY sense out of the fecking captcha
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14:55 < horros> woo
14:55 < horros> It's working!
14:58 < saracen_> :)
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15:01 < Wombert> [14:25] ixulai: And not using any useful features of xml such as schema validation
15:01 < Wombert> agavi does that :)
15:01 < Wombert> and it uses xsl
15:01 < Wombert> and other awesome stuff that only xml can do
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17:18 < Wombert> ohai
17:21 < _cheerios> hai-o
17:22 < saracen_> ohai-o
17:23 < saracen_> isnt that a state> =)
17:23 < saracen_> ?*
17:25 < asonge> ohio is.
17:26 < asonge> i mean, if you're petitioning for statehood like the UK, you should know the other states' names.
17:26 < asonge> deep down every briton wants to be american.
17:27 < ixulai> asonge: we do?
17:27 < asonge> ixulai: yes.
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17:30  * ixulai writes post it note to self "want to be american"
17:34 < saracen_> I wanted to be American once
17:34 < saracen_> But then I saw pictures
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18:17 < CIA-57> david * r3902 /branches/1.0/src/controller/AgaviController.class.php: doc block cleanup
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19:27 < _cheerios> testing out a linode.com account. sweet web frontend for the vps.
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21:32 < _cheerios> whee; via Standard Int'l  Shipping (estimated delivery date: April  8,2009)
21:35 < asonge> wtf takes that long to ship?
21:35 < _cheerios> iirc 20-38 days, i got the max, it seems
21:36 < _cheerios> in no hurry, anyhow. got plenty books lying around.
21:36 < asonge> ah, books
21:36 < asonge> i just spent $120 on books night before last
21:36 < asonge> i need to be reading more
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21:49 < matbtt> Hi all, does anybody know a reliable lib for generating IDs like dRJy2bB? Thx in advance
21:49 < asonge> matbtt: autoincrementing or random?
21:50 < matbtt> ...it must be random as its an distributed app...
21:51 < matbtt> ...autoincrement will end in key collision since objects can be created on different servers
21:55 < asonge> collision can still happen
21:55 < asonge> i mean...you're really looking for 32 chars of strings to avoid collision
21:55 < asonge> even then it's just improbable
21:55 < asonge> well, anything above 8 is improbable...i'd call 8 an eventuality
22:03 < _cheerios> google up guid, matbtt 
22:06 < matbtt> ...thx, uuid has 32 chars if you strip out the hyphen.
22:06 < matbtt> ...maybe I'll shall take uniqid with a prefix
22:06 < matbtt> ...uuid seems to large
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22:16 < _cheerios> :)
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23:00 < _cheerios> i googled for help on an agavi question, and actually got an answer. wicked. http://dracoblue.net/dev/access-httpuseragenthttp-in-agavi/122/
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23:10 < graste> ^^
23:12 < graste> actually I finally linked to the faq on my blog - dunno if google will show up on it (as it doesn't have updates rather often)
23:12 < graste> i took that post as the foundation for the faq entry about that
23:12 < graste> :>
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06:11 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:31 < horros> Huomenta.
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08:08 < liutis> why if i make redirect when search is success like $this->getResponse()->setRedirect('index'); iam redirected to Index page but if i make Page Refresh i got Do You want to make POST action again
08:08 < liutis> ?
08:08 < liutis> this shouldnt happen?
08:10 < liutis> ah, missed return; at the end :)
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08:35 < v-dogg> liutis: you don't need return; there
08:35 < v-dogg> something else is wrong
08:35 < graste_> huomenta
08:36 < v-dogg> liutis: but I'd recommend using routes instead of just 'index'
08:36 < v-dogg> ...->setRedirect($ro->gen('index'));
08:38 < liutis> i use routing, not index, just fo egzample there, but with no return; there was some php code, after like loadlayout and other
08:38 < liutis> cleared
08:39 < liutis> that unnesesary code
08:39 < v-dogg> ah, don't load layout
08:39 < v-dogg> yup
08:39 < liutis> heh now cool :)
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08:47 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:47 < horros> Huomenta.
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09:10 < _cheerios> digitarald, do you know if its possible to have onDomLoad() or similar for ajax responses, so you can load an external <script/> before the main JS on the response itself executes?
09:14 < hZilla> any advice on how to use agavi for flash remoting?
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09:24 < digitarald> _cheerios: you can access document.head right away and inject <script>
09:24 < digitarald> but I'm not sure when they'll load
09:24 < digitarald> check scriptacolous loader
09:24 < _cheerios> reason im asking is because facebook connect, i don't want to load their JS until necessary, and due current site design I need the top header loaded via ajax (which has the external script, and then code that uses it)
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09:29 < _cheerios> i'll go for a setTimeOut hack to buy me some time on this
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09:43 < macen> setTimeout *
09:46 < MugeSo> How can I throw validation error in Action::validate* ?
09:47 < MugeSo> $vm->setError($name, $message) is deprecated in 1.0.0 :(
09:48 < v-dogg> but as far as I know the way it does it is still the only way to set errors
09:48 < v-dogg> i.e. create incident and so on
09:49 < MugeSo> so why it is deprecated ?
09:51 < v-dogg> that you have to ask WasabiCat_ 
09:51 < v-dogg> oops
09:51 < v-dogg> Wombert 
09:51 < v-dogg> nick complete error :)
09:51 < MugeSo> right, I'll do so.
09:54 < graste_> perhaps ask on the mailing list
09:54 < graste_> imho you're not the first to ask this
09:54 < graste_> :>
09:57 < MugeSo> graste_: oh, really? I'll check it ;) thanks
09:57 < graste_> yeah, I think someone asked this before in this channel
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10:03 < MugeSo> It's hard to search from all IRC logs :(
10:04 < impl> saracen_ was working on an application to search them
10:04 < MugeSo> sounds good :D
10:05 < impl> you'll probably have to prod him to actually finish it, he hasn't worked on it in a few months
10:05 < impl> or maybe I will
10:05 < impl> saracen_: WAKE UP BITCH. IT'S FUCKING FRIDAY. NOT SATURDAY.
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10:06 < graste_> shouldn't be that hard, I guess? download from time to time and grep them via web frontend or whatever <:
10:06 < impl> yeah, but he had a cool thing that would let you mark important pieces of history
10:06 < impl> or 'tag'
10:06 < impl> so you could link to it later
10:08 < graste_> :>
10:08 < MugeSo_> oops, I kicked power cable of swiching hub and it get down :$
10:08 < impl> haha
10:08  * graste_ demands a release for teh community to benefit from it
10:09 < graste_> <:
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10:41 < horros> Hmm
10:41 < horros> What output type should I use for an action that spits out raw (blob) data?
10:42 < horros> just make one up?
10:43 < v-dogg> you mean content-type?
10:43 < horros> No, output type :)
10:43 < horros> I'm assuming I don't want to load a truckload of layers and stuff :)
10:44 < v-dogg> yeah, just make one up
10:44 < horros> Roger that.
10:44 < horros> Thanks.
10:44 < v-dogg> one without anyt layers and content-type application/byte-stream or whatever it was
10:44 < horros> Yeah.
10:44 < horros> Cheers :)
10:45 < v-dogg> and nau: kaffe
10:45 < v-dogg> and then back to teh city
10:54  * horros Gyllene Tider - Ljudet av ett annat hjärta <3
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11:50 < hZilla> how do link sabreAMF into agavi? add to autoload? and factories?
11:51 < hZilla> or any pacakage for that matter
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11:56 < E_mE> huomenta
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11:59 < saracen_> impl: I'm at work, so screw you =(
11:59 < saracen_> Plus the whole thing about getting PHP to log the data is annoying
11:59 < saracen_> because your fail bot keeps dying
12:08 < impl> it never died when *I* ran it
12:09 < horros> k
12:09 < horros> I'm officially in love with AgaviDateTimeValidator <3
12:09 < impl> horros: for real.
12:10 < horros> However...
12:10 < horros> If I have three input fields (y m d)... can I get it to export an YYYY-MM-DD format?
12:11 < horros> I'm not really sure how this export/cast_to thing works.
12:12 < hZilla> is there an existing request class in agavi for flash remoting or must i roll my own?
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12:13 < hZilla> webservicerequest huh?
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12:33 < graste_> horros: 
12:33 < graste_> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_13
12:33 < horros> How the cock do I get out a timestamp out of an AgaviGregorianCalendar?
12:34 < horros> graste_: Well yes, but what that fails to mention is what exactly "<ae:parameter name="export">MyDatestamp</ae:parameter>" does
12:34 < horros> which is what I didn't know.
12:34 < graste_> that's the name of the parameter you get in your action/view
12:36 < horros> Yes, except it doesn't mention that.
12:36 < horros> However
12:36 < horros> How the cock do I get out a timestamp out of an AgaviGregorianCalendar?
12:36 < graste_> never used it - I wouldn't know how to get an AgaviGregorianCalendar :P
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12:37 < graste_> you can cast_to unix timestamp if that's sufficient for you
12:37 < horros> graste_: The above example code you provided in your FAQ gives me an AgaviGregorianCalendar -object :P
12:37 < horros> But yea, i found it.
12:38 < graste_> what did you do and how may I improve the faq entry
12:38 < graste_> :>
12:38 < graste_> feedback is always welcome
12:39 < horros> I didn't do anything, I read the source :)
12:39 < horros> I've no idea how it magically creates the object
12:39 < horros> but it yelled at me that I needed use_translation on in order to use the AgaviDateTimeValidator class
12:40 < horros> and that automagically created an AgaviGregorianCalendar -object in my requestdataholder
12:40 < graste_> good hint
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12:53 < E_mE> woop, finally get me a little site going: http://www.xylesoft.co.uk/
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14:53 < graste_> .
14:57 < _cheerios> WEEKEND!!! WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!
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15:04 < MrJeep> hi
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15:33 < E_mE> what do people think of my simple design for xylesoft.co.uk?
15:34 < MikeSeth> s/loves/love
15:34 < MikeSeth> more vertical whitespace in the top part
15:34 < MikeSeth> remove "more information coming soon"
15:35 < impl> yeah, you do kinda switch person in the middle of the sentence
15:35 < impl> lawl
15:35 < MikeSeth> change links color
15:35 < impl> I'm a huge advocate of the Agavi MVC Framework and also loves to use MooTools to make front-ends as intuitive and friendly as possible which allows him to .
15:35 < impl> however, I do like the design
15:35 < E_mE> ah yes
15:35 < E_mE> ah ok
15:35 < E_mE> ja i liked the simplicity of it
15:35 < E_mE> ok ill adjust now
15:35 < MikeSeth> and really reword the text so that it doesn't sound like you have a multiple personality disorder :D
15:36 < impl> who DOESN'T these days man
15:36 < MikeSeth> but you dont admit it in writing!
15:36 < graste_> word
15:36 < graste_> except you're in a writing battle with yourself
15:36 < graste_> :ß
15:37 < impl> that's an awesome smiley
15:37 < impl> :ß :ß
15:37 < saracen_> Ugh, I have to be social tonight =(
15:37 < graste_> accident
15:37 < E_mE> MikeSeth:  eheheh im trying ;D
15:37 < graste_> :\
15:37 < impl> saracen_: Just sit in the corner with your joker hat :ß
15:37 < saracen_> I dont have a joker hat ;x
15:37 < graste_> q:-)
15:37 < saracen_> Oh, i know what youre refering to now
15:37 < saracen_> And no
15:37 < saracen_> I can't =(
15:38 < impl> Why not? :ß
15:38 < saracen_> Wrong crowd
15:38 < saracen_> Its a family do
15:38 < saracen_> My grans 80
15:38 < saracen_> or something
15:38 < impl> Ah
15:38 < E_mE> MikeSeth:  impl    check now.. that look better?
15:39 < saracen_> E_mE: You still go from third person to first in the first paragraph =)
15:39 < impl> You could do like
15:39 < graste_> yeah
15:39 < E_mE> ah yes sorry
15:40  * E_mE suffers with band language skills :(
15:40 < E_mE> bad
15:40 < impl> Hi, I'm Xylesoft (aka Jeramy ...), a software developer who loves ..
15:40 < impl> or something
15:41 < graste_> I love...
15:41 < saracen_> cock.
15:41 < graste_> be personal :>
15:41 < E_mE> mmm, i have to say Xylesoft is me rather then my name is xylesoft
15:41 < E_mE> ja cool :)
15:41 < E_mE> ok ill rephase, ill demand your input ;)
15:41 < saracen_> E_mE: I too like the simple design
15:42 < E_mE> ja, im quite proud of it :) ... about the best thing ive ever designed hehe
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15:47 < MikeSeth> durr
15:47 < MikeSeth> you are still switching from "x is" to "I am"
15:48 < E_mE> aye :(
15:48 < E_mE> what about this:
15:48 < E_mE> Hi, I’m Jeramy Wenserit and develop applications under the title of <strong><em>Xylesoft</em></strong>, the name is inspired by a Xylem which is the part of a plant that pulls water into the plant and supplies its demand for thirst. I passionately enjoys developing web applications using PHP5, Javascript, XHTML and CSS, I live for following standards and constructing software in the aim of re-usability and scalability.
15:48 < MikeSeth> move the explanation of the name into a footnote
15:48 < graste_> yep
15:49 < graste_> s/enjoys/enjoy
15:49 < MikeSeth> "I enjoy", not "I passionately enjoys" less emotion IMO
15:49 < MikeSeth> and well
15:49 < v-dogg> emo <3
15:49 < v-dogg> :p
15:49 < MikeSeth> "I live for following standards" is almost lewd :D
15:49 < E_mE> lewd?
15:49 < E_mE> what does that mean
15:49 < impl> vulgar
15:49 < MikeSeth> well there are many awesome things one can live for
15:50 < graste_> yeah, clients probably don'T care for standards as much as you do - just tell them, that you work using standards or similar..
15:50 < MikeSeth> certainly w3c abrakadabra isn't one of them :>
15:51 < E_mE> i could use the slogen:  Xylesoft - Supplying the demand for growth.
15:51 < E_mE> haha
15:51 < E_mE> since xylems supply water to the plant heheh
15:52 < saracen_> I instantly though of erections.
15:52 < saracen_> But that could just be me,
15:52 < saracen_> thought*
15:52  * E_mE passes saracen_ a cup
15:53 < saracen_> I'm not making a mess or anything =(
15:53  * asonge passes saracen_ an algebra book to save his dignity
15:54 < aka> you must have something at some point to save it
15:54 < asonge> aka: are you saying saracen_ has no dignity?
15:54 < aka> I believe I am saying that and more
15:55 < saracen_> I'm confused, where does algebra come in to this?
15:55 < E_mE> ok next revision:
15:55 < E_mE> Hi, I’m Jeramy Wenserit and develop web applications under the title of <strong><em>Xylesoft</em></strong>. I enjoy developing web applications using PHP5, Javascript, XHTML and CSS, I attempt to construct software with the two main aim of re-usability and scalability while maintaining a level head on customer needs.
15:56 < saracen_> reusability*
15:56 < E_mE> ok cool
15:56 < saracen_> At least, I'm pretty sure it isn't hyphenated.
15:56 < E_mE> iWorks doesn't think so
15:56 < E_mE> with either method
15:57 < saracen_> I would get a dictionary out
15:57 < saracen_> But I've never owned one
15:57 < saracen_> Ask impl, he knows too much
15:57 < E_mE> I attempt to construct software with the two main aim of reusability and scalability while maintaining a level head with customers needs.
15:58 < E_mE> the end of that sentance is causing me concern
15:58 < E_mE> customers needs
15:58 < E_mE> to plurals one after another
15:58 < graste_> s/aim/aims?
15:59  * saracen_ is glad he has a personal editor
16:01 < impl> E_mE: you use "develop web applications" in two sentences right next to each other
16:01 < E_mE> ah yes
16:01 < impl> E_mE: after "CSS" there should be a period, not a comma
16:01 < E_mE> ill change that to technologies
16:01 < E_mE> ok
16:02 < impl> I think I'd also put an "I" before "develop" in the first sentence
16:03 < E_mE> impl: check site now :)
16:03 < impl> E_mE: looks good
16:03 < E_mE> ah one typo fix
16:04 < E_mE> s/using/with
16:04 < saracen_> impl smells
16:05 < macen> alt="-"
16:05 < macen> tut tut E_mE 
16:05 < E_mE> why tut? valid XHTML
16:06 < macen> true
16:08 < macen> your topcircle.png needs alpha channel in place of white bg
16:09 < macen> for 1024 screens
16:10 < macen> oo
16:10 < E_mE> :/
16:12 < E_mE> macen: what are you refering to sorry
16:12 < asonge> saracen_: adolescents popping boners hide them behind algebra books while in school halls.
16:12 < macen> the circular corner image
16:12 < macen> that covers up teh green
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16:12 < macen> it overlaps with the background at 1024 resolution
16:12 < marioprudhomme> Whats a model for you guys?
16:13 < graste_> contains business logic
16:13 < graste_> at least a lot of it
16:13 < graste_> ^^
16:14 < marioprudhomme> does it derive from an abstract class?
16:14 < marioprudhomme> i mean in agavi
16:15 < graste_> extends AgaviModel
16:15 < graste_> your app's models
16:15 < marioprudhomme> i hope thats not AR
16:15 < graste_> and your module specific models should extend your app's basemodels
16:15 < graste_> no
16:15 < graste_> it's OR mapper agnostic
16:15 < graste_> you can use whatever you like
16:16 < marioprudhomme> what base feature does it provide?
16:16 < graste_> plain sql (haha), PDO, propel, doctrine
16:16 < graste_> hm
16:16 < MikeSeth> PEAR MDB/DBDO, too
16:17 < MikeSeth> someone was working on oracle adapter and couchdb is in development
16:17 < marioprudhomme> yea i saw that guy on reddit commenting on how you guys sucked because your tuts contained plain sql
16:17 < marioprudhomme> heh
16:17 < MikeSeth> marioprudhomme: reddit is unforgiving
16:17 < MikeSeth> marioprudhomme: a newly spawned model is an empty class
16:17 < graste_> nothing really - but you can get models everywhere via $this->getContext()->getModel('asdf'); :>
16:18 < marioprudhomme> yea, its just, im kinda having my own religious war, on what a model should and should not be
16:18 < graste_> definitively business logic
16:18 < graste_> fat models, skinny actions/views so to say
16:18 < marioprudhomme> have you guys got a fine example
16:18 < graste_> at least that's how I would put it
16:18 < MikeSeth> marioprudhomme: this is very simple. A model is your application expressed as an API. If you lick out views and controllers clean, a model is what you have left.
16:19 < MikeSeth> well a set of models, so a set of APIs
16:19 < marioprudhomme> yea i agree graste, obese controllers arent pretty
16:19 < MikeSeth> they are the top level conventions derived from the business idioms present in the problem
16:19 < graste_> your model contains methods like retrieveSomeInterestingThings() or isSomethingAwesome() etc. which your actions and views use
16:19 < marioprudhomme> so mike, youre saying, lets say i delete all my controllers and views, i should be able to use my models elsewhere
16:19 < graste_> so they use your agavi models instead of direct database calls or propel models etc
16:19 < marioprudhomme> like a desktop app
16:19 < MikeSeth> graste_: yes.
16:20 < saracen_> 16:12:21 < asonge> saracen_: adolescents popping boners hide them behind algebra books while in school halls.
16:20 < saracen_> Oh I see
16:20 < MikeSeth> marioprudhomme: and in fact it is possible in Agavi
16:20 < saracen_> I just tuck.
16:20 < MikeSeth> saracen_: why bother
16:28 < marioprudhomme> yea seeing your model class source atm, pretty skinny
16:28 < marioprudhomme> jsut getting confused because all frameworks seems to have their own definition, most notably AR/ORM
16:29 < MikeSeth> marioprudhomme: AR/ORM is just a stupid mistake invented by rails and repeated by all rails clones
16:30 < MikeSeth> it was web 2.0 excitement, remember?
16:30 < MikeSeth> making a working crud ui in a minute was teh shit
16:30 < MikeSeth> who cares you will have to rewrite it later
16:30 < marioprudhomme> heh
16:30 < asonge> MikeSeth: it's still useful for making a manager-friendly backend.
16:30 < MikeSeth> made bosses happy
16:30 < asonge> throw it behind an admin login
16:31 < MikeSeth> asonge: that's what it is, a quick solution to the "leave me alone ffs" problem
16:32 < graste_> yep
16:32 < graste_> but then you give them features like in 15 minutes with your generated backend 
16:32 < graste_> and then they want additional things
16:32 < graste_> and you're screwed if the generated stuff doesn't fit :>
16:33 < marioprudhomme> im kinda happy to hear that
16:33 < marioprudhomme> i personally prefer a query builder over AR
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16:41 < asonge> MikeSeth: still nice to have a hybrid model though...use an AR pattern for some glorified phpmyadmin backend site
16:42 < marioprudhomme> im thinking of creating a few abstract models with common funcctionality
16:43 < v-dogg> if those are project-specific models, Agavi already does that for you :)
16:44 < v-dogg> MyProjectBaseModel and MyProjectMyModuleBaseModels are there at your disposal :)
16:44 < marioprudhomme> not in that sense
16:44 < marioprudhomme> common like, lets say i need a model that needs AR characterisktics
16:45 < marioprudhomme> having an abstract model youd extend from with a few common functions related to ar
16:46 < marioprudhomme> or related to whatever.
16:46 < marioprudhomme> .brb
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17:17  * macen kicks $customer 
17:17 < macen> baii
17:24 < v-dogg> *sigh*
17:24 < v-dogg> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-php-twitter-interface/index.html
17:24 < v-dogg> yet another IBM quality tutorial
17:25 < v-dogg> SQL Injections for everybody!
17:26 < fnordfish> http://www.priebsch.de/2009/03/had-a-look-at-the-magento-source-code-yet/
17:26 < fnordfish> have a nice weekend ;)
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17:27 < v-dogg> yeah, there you have WTF moments for several days :)
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18:08 < MrJeep> having a problem with doctrine
18:08 < MrJeep> doctrine does not want to load by base* models
18:08 < MrJeep> anyone ever had this problem ?
18:21 < MrJeep> basically :
18:21 < MrJeep> I add the load_models parameters in database.xml
18:22 < MrJeep> when I try to load SomeDoctrineClass, it tries to load generated/SomeDoctrineClass
18:22 < MrJeep> but it fails
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19:04 < _cheerios> havent changed doctr setup in months, loading fine, tho i use the doctrine way of loading ze models
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19:08 < MikeSeth> 19:18  * macen kicks $customer
19:08 < MikeSeth> 19:18 <macen> baii
19:08 < MikeSeth> that's so you macen 
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19:20 < asonge> MrJeep: you need 2 params for your model loader path
19:20 < asonge> MrJeep: 1 for the models, 1 for the basemodels
19:20 < MrJeep> :o
19:20 < MrJeep> didn't know about that
19:20 < asonge> :D
19:21 < MrJeep> could you paste me an example pleae ?
19:21 < asonge> sure
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19:24 < asonge> MrJeep: http://pastie.org/409642
19:25 < MrJeep> ty very much
19:25 < asonge> np :)
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19:36 < _cheerios> Grand One gala on 19.3, hums, of all the conincidences
19:49 < hZilla> hi i'm looking to enable flash remoting through agavi. if i link in a package such as sabreamf or amfphp, can i route requests through directly or does it require making a custom control/request/response interface?
19:54 < asonge> hZilla: how does amf work for requests?
19:54 < _cheerios> never done any flash remoting. do blog results, sounds interesting.
19:54 < asonge> how is the http request, is what i'm really asking.
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19:57 < asonge> seems it might be some derivative of json-rpc
19:59 < asonge> oh, it's binary
20:00 < asonge> hZilla: there should be an http header set (possibly using http-accept if you're lucky) that'll determine if it's an amf request
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20:12 < MikeSeth> yes
20:14 < MikeSeth> hZilla: create an output type for it, and write a route that enables this output type (e.g. stop="false" output_type="flash")
20:14 < MikeSeth> then you have support for that output type in all views
20:14 < MikeSeth> if the flash framework requires you to pipe everything through a single controller url, well, that's also not a problem ;>
20:17 < asonge> MikeSeth: it's going to be close to a json/xmlrpc service...there's a content-type set and a big binary blob of data.
20:17 < v-dogg> just out of curiosity, how would you deal with that, MikeSeth?
20:19 < v-dogg> routing callback, extend routing with a special flash source, DispatchAction that forwards to a right action or what?-)
20:19 < _cheerios> so many memories http://www.scummvm.org/screenshots.php?cat1=3&cat2=8
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20:26 < Ox40Work> hmmm
20:38 < _cheerios> asonge, what was your faqs url again? "agavi faq" on google gives null
20:38 < asonge> that faq ain't mine.
20:38 < asonge> and i don't know
20:39 < _cheerios> ah, yes, GRASte not ASONge :p
20:40 < asonge> :P
20:56 < _cheerios> iShoot fella made $700k+ for 6weeks work? Not bad. Iphone makes for a good living for some.
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21:03 < Ox40Work> beh
21:06 < graste> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html
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06:09 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:12 < hZilla> huomenta. how do i link a class into the agavi framework? i'd like to use a package from within a model
06:16 < v-dogg> autoload.xml or load it your self
06:27 < hZilla> ok i put this in autoload: <autoload name="SabreAmfCallbackServer">SabreAMF/CallbackServer.php</autoload>
06:27 < hZilla> so how do i instantiate it from within a model?'
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06:43 < v-dogg> hZilla: $amf = new SabreAMF_CallbackServer();
06:43 < v-dogg> :)
06:43 < v-dogg> ops, $amf = new SabreAmfCallbackServer() of course
06:44 < hZilla> yeh that;s waht i thought,,, didn't seem to give me love
06:44 < hZilla> must be doing something wrong
06:45 < v-dogg> use absolute paths in autoload.xml
06:45 < hZilla> its in my php include path tho
06:45 < v-dogg> %core.lib_dir%/foo/...
06:46 < v-dogg> still I think it's better
06:46 < hZilla> ok
06:52 < hZilla> i must be spazzing out because i get this even tho its defined in autoload: Class 'SabreAmfCallbackServer' not found
06:53 < v-dogg> old autoload.xml in the cache?
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08:36 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:40 < _cheerios> http://fabien.potencier.org/talk/22/phpquebec-2009-symfony-2
08:42 < _cheerios> seems fabien is putting a lot of emphasis on performance, benchmarking it as 5x faster than 1.2
08:50 < Wombert> for a hello world...
08:51 < Wombert> (and its that core thing, where you do everything by hand... mind the code)
08:52 < Seldaek> I want a blog benchmark or something
08:52 < Seldaek> those hello world are getting a bit annoying
08:52 < _cheerios> hello world benchies are nice, that atleast you know the limits of how fast your app will ever go for a given framework
08:53 < Seldaek> yeah sort of
08:53 < Seldaek> but if the model stack is slow as hell then what
08:54 < _cheerios> there was no release year for 2.0, and no roadmap. i wonder if 1.3 will be 2.0 *shrug*
08:54 < Seldaek> as soon as you do one query performance drops like crazy and you don't know about it because you were happy staring at this hello world
08:54 < _cheerios> what are the chances? and usually after HelloWorld, you're using the same 3rd party components, making every framework be pretty equal.
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08:55 < Seldaek> well no
08:55 < Seldaek> for instance if you use sf chances are you'll use doctrine or propel I dont remember what they bundle /advertise
08:56 < Seldaek> with agavi since nothing was provided I built my own light thingy that is probably much faster (and less flexible certainly but fuck that)
08:58 < _cheerios> that's a full-stack/half-stack conclusion more of, and full-stacks can be fast, given the components they use are good. php side has a legacy with shitty, slow frameworks (pretty much everything out there).
08:58 < Seldaek> :)
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09:32 < marioprudhomme> .
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11:39 < _cheerios> oh, cool, ?: in PHP 5.3. Stumbled on it on from fabiens slides, http://twitto.org/
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11:50 < _cheerios> nice fun; tweetcoding, as3 entries in 140chars, http://tweetcoding.machine501.com/
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12:05 < reza> I want create a link by $ro object sample "samplesite.com/user/frontend/edit/username/ali" but Agavi1 create "samplesite.com%2Fuser%2Ffrontend%2Fedit%2Fusername%2Fali"
12:05 < reza> Agavi 0.11.5 no problem
12:06 < v-dogg> reza: parameters are urlencoded
12:06 < v-dogg> what does your route pattern look like and how do you generate the url?
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12:06 < reza> I'm create a RoutingCallback for create url sample zendFramwork
12:07 < reza> in Agavi0.11.5 currect but in agavi1 no
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12:15 < reza> this problem only for Form tab
12:16 < reza> this problem is  only for action attribute in html form tab
12:17 < v-dogg> you still haven't answered my questions
12:18 < reza> No urlencoded
12:19 < v-dogg> 14:06 < v-dogg> what does your route pattern look like and how do you generate the url?
12:20 < reza> no i want a default routing for handle any request
12:25 < reza> im not any problem in locale but server 
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12:30 < Wombert> MikeSeth: poek
12:31 < Wombert> reza: uh
12:31 < Wombert> reza: you're saying its different in agavi 1.0 and 0.11?
12:31 < Wombert> reza: please show the gen() call, the route definition and the callback
12:32 < reza> Where
12:32 < Wombert> reza: ?
12:33 < reza> please a sample
12:34 < Wombert> reza: sorry?
12:35 < reza> i have a parameter by name Path 
12:35 < Wombert> [13:31] Wombert: reza: please show the gen() call, the route definition and the callback
12:38 < reza> $ro->gen('default', array('path'=>'user/frontend/edit', 'username'=>reza'));
12:38 < reza> In Agavi 0.11.5 =>  index.php/en/user/frontend/edit/username/reza
12:38 < reza> In Agavi 1.0.0 => index.php/en/user%2fontend%2fedit%2fusername%2freza
12:38 < _cheerios> hZilla, WTF. in japan you're expected to work 2 extra hours daily, without overtime pay?
12:41 < v-dogg> I'm pretty sure routing parameters have always been urlencoded...
12:41 < v-dogg> reza: show us the routing callback, please
12:41 < v-dogg> pastebin.ca or some other 
12:41 < v-dogg> do not paste to the channel 
12:42 < reza> :-> ok
12:43 < reza> http://pastebin.ca/1355194
12:44 < matbtt> Surprise, surpise: New PHPMagazin containing a nice article about Agavi! Well done!
12:45 < reza> http://pastebin.ca/1355198
12:49 < graste> matbtt: somewhere online to be seen?
12:51 < matbtt> ...don't think so, the website still shows the last edition. 
12:51 < Wombert> matbtt: is it out yet?
12:53 < matbtt> ...I have a subscription, so I found it in my letterbox yesterday :)
12:54 < Wombert> :)
12:54 < Wombert> is it on the cover?
12:55 < matbtt> nope :( but you can't miss it in the index :)
12:57 < reza> v-dogg : :-(
12:57 < Wombert> matbtt: not at all? :(((
12:57 < Wombert> mooh
12:58 < Wombert> btw, /user/frontend/edit/username/reza is complete nonsense as a URL
12:58 < Wombert> anyway
12:59 < Wombert> it shouldn't encode the parameter
12:59 < Wombert> lets see
13:00 < matbtt> Wombert: No, sorry.
13:01 < matbtt> ...but, one of the cover stories is "how you can profit from well designed and scalable application archictecture", I suppose they mean Agavi :)
13:02 < Wombert> :D
13:03 < Wombert> matbtt: do they have boxes with background info?
13:03 < Wombert> and all code listings?
13:03 < Wombert> (routing, config system and something else should be in a box each)
13:03 < Wombert> glad you liked the article
13:03 < Wombert> it's my first ;)
13:04 < Wombert> reza: I cannot reproduce this. we have a unit test that covers this particular situation. can you create a simplified reproduce case please?
13:04 < matbtt> 7 code listings, config YES! routing YES!, Views, Layer and Layouts YES! 
13:06 < matbtt> ...and as mentioned you cannot missed it in the index, as it's one five topics which are introduced with more than one sentence
13:06 < Wombert> ace!
13:06 < Wombert> did they manage to put the chuck norris thing in a footnote?
13:06 < Wombert> :>
13:09 < matbtt> no footnote, but there is a hint in the text that Chuck Norris does not need a special password. :)
13:11 < Wombert> :D
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13:14 < hZilla> eh? : <_cheerios> hZilla, WTF. in japan you're expected to work 2 extra hours daily, without overtime pay?
13:15 < _cheerios> hZilla, was reading an article on a foreigner taking up a gig in japan.
13:15 < hZilla> yeh well its quite a different work ethic here. in fact its quite silly and archaic
13:16 < hZilla> its based on time and not results
13:16 < hZilla> so people work long days but don't actually do much
13:17 < hZilla> just so that everyone is treated 'fair' or maintains the status quo
13:17 < hZilla> so not getting overtime is part of that deal
13:17 < hZilla> but the upside is job for life
13:17 < hZilla> etc,
13:19 < hZilla> in fact its so ridiculous that the birth rate is falling
13:19 < hZilla> because relationships are suffering
13:20 < hZilla> and now the government is trying to come up with sill schemes to try and improve relationships by encouraging workers to go home and talk to their partners
13:21 < Seldaek> it's alright as long as you're evolving robotics at the same pace you lose births
13:21 < Seldaek> eventually you'll be supplanted by robots and that's it :p
13:22 < hZilla> yeh cheaper in the long run
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14:46 < hZilla> is there a command to read the complete raw http request data from an action?
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16:13 < _cheerios> a boy, whom looked five years old, was at tears, shouting to a woman in a wheel chair; "i'll kill you all!". i smiled.
16:14 < _cheerios> strangest things happen while shopping for milk
16:23 < v-dogg> call me oldschool tight ass but that boy should have been spanked
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16:56 < macen> why does matched_routes in org.agavi.routing display what appears to be a random string when the matched route is "/" ?
16:58 < macen> ah..
16:59 < macen> well that makes sense yes... as there is no name on the route..
17:01 < v-dogg> that's the name agavi gave your route
17:01 < macen> what scenario would produce a matched_route[1] ?
17:03 < Seldaek> subroutes match several routes
17:03 < macen> k
17:03 < Seldaek> like /foo/bar could match / then foo then /bar and you've 3 items in matched routes
17:04 < macen> hadn't thought of sub-routes 
17:04 < macen> am trying to match home page, so that should always therefore by matched_route[0]
17:04 < macen> be matched by.*
17:04 < graste> and could prbably match routes that only change the output type or cut parameters etc
17:04 < macen> i think :>
17:05 < macen> this is in the view...
17:05 < macen> for executeHtml
17:05 < Seldaek> macen: well, name the root, and then $matched_routes == array('home')
17:05 < Seldaek> although Im' not sure what the hell you need that for :p
17:06 < macen> i want to tell if a slot (that is included in output_types.xml) should be shown when it's only supposed to appear on home page
17:06 < macen> if so do setupHtml
17:07 < macen> so this is useful. thanks
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17:10 < Seldaek> I'm not saying you have no use for it, but I just think there should be a better way to do this
17:11 < Seldaek> like dynamically inserting the slot only on the homepage
17:11 < Seldaek> rather than checking with weird means if the view should return anything
17:15 < v-dogg> I agree
17:15 < v-dogg> if it's just this one page, create the slot in the view
17:16 < v-dogg> one line of code instead of some weird hack
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17:35 < graste> word
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18:04 < marioprudhomme> yo
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18:07 < MrJeep> hi
18:08 < MrJeep> anyone knows a way to serialize a javascript object into a json string ?
18:09 < Seldaek> wits js?
18:11 < MrJeep> yeah
18:11 < MrJeep> but I just found a way
18:11 < MrJeep> with mootools
18:11 < Seldaek> ok
18:11 < Seldaek> most js libs have that yes
18:11 < benschi> huomenta
18:12 < marioprudhomme> jquery ftw
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18:48 < digitarald> any idea pdo::prepare returns false for a delete statement????
18:50 < digitarald> MrJeep, anybody?
18:51 < digitarald> maybe a server misconfiguration ... digging
18:54 < v-dogg> no errors?
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19:35 < digitarald> v-dogg: nothing
19:35 < digitarald> no exception
19:44 < v-dogg> weird
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21:49 < _cheerios> paid google apps 40e (one address) for the year to not have to worry about email. are there better deals out there?
22:01 < Seldaek> ..why did you pay exactly?
22:02 < Seldaek> I use it for free
22:02 < Seldaek> with unlimited addresses and domains..
22:02 < Seldaek> (which I guess is a better deal:p)
22:03 < _cheerios> they don't charge for 30 days :)
22:03 < Seldaek> well I've been using it free for years
22:04 < _cheerios> poor business you run! :p
22:05 < Seldaek> well can you tell me what benefits you get from paying?
22:05 < _cheerios> no idea, i haven't exactly used the thing yet to have much of user experience on this
22:06 < Seldaek> well, from what I remember, back when there still was a clear table detailing differences between standard edition and business one, the advantage were.. pointless
22:06 < Seldaek> but they seem to have taken that page down
22:06 < Seldaek> probably since it led people to realize it wasn't worth a buck more than the free edition :p
22:07 < Seldaek> ah 
22:07 < Seldaek> http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/editions.html
22:08 < Seldaek> so you have useless support, useless APIs, private video sharing (useless again imo), 99.9% uptime SLA.. well when google is down as we have seen it's because it went really bad and it affects everyone..
22:08 < Seldaek> and you can disable ads
22:09 < Seldaek> so all in all.. not worth $50 for me :)
22:09 < _cheerios> do you run a business w/the registered domain?
22:09 < Seldaek> not really, but I use it as my personal email
22:10 < Seldaek> so that's basically one account, with several aliases, a catchall (so virtually any number of email addresses), and domain aliases (so all my emails are valid on all my domains, like *@seld.be/seld.ch and other stuff I run
22:11 < Seldaek> don't see what a business would need that exceeds that.. unless you've more than 50 employees.
22:11 < Seldaek> and in that case you can just hire a guy to admin your mail server :p
22:12 < macen> email and phone support
22:13 < macen> but even for $50 you can't get someone to come round and do it for you :P
22:13 < OxC2D> god
22:13 < Seldaek> yeah and honestly, I don't need their fucking support in the first place
22:13 < OxC2D> I cant figure out how to make something better than agavi :|
22:15 < macen> it is strange how most "SME 50+ employee" companies manage their own email servers 
22:16 < macen> probably because spam filtering is so heavy on processor usage 
22:16 < macen> so shared hosting becomes less economically beneficial, i suppose 
22:19  * macen pets QuadCore Intel™ technology
22:26 < _cheerios> i'd so want to rent a double quadcore w/16GB ram to host my stuff
22:26 < OxC2D> I saw a server with 8, quad-core CPUS and 256GB of ram
22:27 < OxC2D> :)
22:27 < OxC2D> coolest server evar
22:28 < macen> double quadcore
22:28 < macen> how dare you :(
22:29 < OxC2D> :P
22:33 < _cheerios> OxC2D, what was it running?
22:33 < OxC2D> I think the new one was running MsSQL servers for the college.
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22:44 < _cheerios> 9 things left before new version is complete. *anxious*
22:44 < OxC2D> hmmmm
22:45 < OxC2D> Now...I gotta figure out WTF to do with agavi
22:45 < OxC2D> So, if I have a social networking site... I have my default module
22:46 < _cheerios> SkyNet
22:46 < OxC2D> with a signup action... what should be seperate, or should all actions be part of default?
22:46 < _cheerios> i made a separate module for login+registration++
22:46 < OxC2D> reeallly?
22:47 < _cheerios> i keep Agavi-core stuff in Default, nothing of my own
22:47 < OxC2D> hmm
22:47 < _cheerios> (bar the Index page... hmm)
22:47 < OxC2D> no, I mean /app/modules/Default
22:48 < _cheerios> yep
22:48 < OxC2D> ah
22:48 < OxC2D> hey, do you have any ideas?
22:48 < _cheerios> SkyNet
22:48 < _cheerios> someone has to start.
22:48 < OxC2D> I want to have a User object always usable in my script
22:49 < OxC2D> $this->context->getUser() works I guess... but I want to have a user class that gets reloaded on every 'page'
22:50 < _cheerios> you seem to be describing a session, and that's the AgaviUser is
22:50 < OxC2D> Well, if I went $_SESSION['user'] = $user; then I would have it's data, but... it wouldnt get 'reloaded' from the db on every page... right?
22:51 < _cheerios> um
22:51 < _cheerios> all that is done for you already. why are you even thinking about this?
22:51 < OxC2D> What is already done for me?
22:51 < _cheerios> what you're trying to do
22:52 < OxC2D> Make a user object where the user can signin and then my views/actions can use it do to 'stuff'
22:52 < _cheerios> yeah, thats very basic, and agavi does that out of the box
22:52 < OxC2D> Well, this is for lolbook... if that matters.
22:53 < OxC2D> So, is there a page on how this works or no?
22:53 < _cheerios> just the usual clumsy documentation at agavi.org and the agavi source
22:53 < OxC2D> hmm
22:53 < _cheerios> rest you can find at google.com
22:53 < OxC2D> boo. :P
22:53 < OxC2D> Ok, but I dont get how this works...
22:53 < OxC2D> How does a user object work without any DB interaction?
22:54 < macen> http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/security-primer.html
22:54 < _cheerios> you should probably read up on what a session is to understand the concept of a session
22:55 < macen> the user object is made up of session data
22:55 < macen> it is per-session data..
22:55 < OxC2D> _cheerios: I know what a session is
22:55 < OxC2D> and how it works
22:55 < OxC2D> and how to use it.
22:56 < _cheerios> and you ask these questions? i think not.
22:56 < macen> so you log them in and then load in the data to the user object
22:56 < OxC2D> macen: if I do $user = User::getByCredentials(username, pass); $_session['user'] = $user;
22:57 < OxC2D> then I come back on another page, after the DB has been changed, will that be changed?
22:57 < macen> there is no $_session 
22:57 < macen> that is what is done for you, like _cheerios is saying
22:58 < macen> but er, yeah
22:58 < OxC2D> And can someone PLEASE change the hilight color on agavi.org?
22:59 < macen> i hadn't noticed
22:59 < macen> good point...
22:59 < OxC2D> :P
23:00 < macen> read that page though
23:00 < macen> and then try to understand that you shouldn't be doing User::
23:00 < macen> also that there is no $_SESSION
23:00 < OxC2D> macen: User:: is my ORM
23:00 < OxC2D> or... dB management or w/e you want to call it
23:01 < OxC2D> SOMEHOW the db needs to be checked, and agavi doesnt do that, correct?
23:01 < macen> well...ok....but you can do this from model
23:01 < macen> OxC2D: correct ...
23:01 < macen> it does the _session_ data
23:02 < OxC2D> ok
23:02 < OxC2D> So I have to pull it out of the DB myself
23:02 < macen> yes
23:03 < macen> just like you would have to in order to start any user session
23:03 < macen> same concept
23:03 < OxC2D> ok
23:04 < OxC2D> oh BLAH
23:04 < saracen_> Wombert: Sorry about the password changes, wait a day or two and I'll give you my new one :P
23:04 < OxC2D> Im in my user model, making a login() function so I can log a user in once they signup...
23:04 < OxC2D> but I cant use $this->context 
23:04 < macen> what are you trying to do?
23:05 < OxC2D> $user = new User(); then I assign all the parts of it from the post ($user->username = $rs->getParameter('username');) then I save it ($user->save()), then I check to make sure it saved, and if it did, I log the user in
23:06 < saracen_> You people make little sense.
23:07 < OxC2D> Heh, what doesnt make sense about that. Its a user signup.
23:09 < saracen_> Whats with the User:: thing?
23:09 < OxC2D> my User object for the database
23:09 < saracen_> are you using some ORM?
23:10 < OxC2D> kinda
23:10 < OxC2D> my own
23:10 < Wombert> so
23:10 < saracen_> dont use your own
23:10 < OxC2D> why?
23:10 < Wombert> AgaviUser ($context->getUser()) is your sole interface to the session
23:10 < saracen_> i can already tell it sucks
23:10 < Wombert> a login() function belongs in a custom AgaviSecurityUser implementation
23:10 < Wombert> a model should not deal with application state, thus should not log in a user
23:10 < OxC2D> holy crap guys.
23:10 < Wombert> instead, the controller code would create the user, then set the state to logged in
23:11 < OxC2D> Why do you do this to me! :P Make a framework that does a ton of cool stuff, but SUCKS to work with.
23:11 < Wombert> if you'd like access to the *correct* context (there could be more than one at runtime), use AgaviModel classes
23:11 < OxC2D> ok wait.
23:11 < Wombert> you can implement AgaviISingletonModel to always get back the same instance
23:11 < OxC2D> My User model and my SecurityUser model are different.
23:11 < Wombert> [00:11] OxC2D: Why do you do this to me!  Make a framework that does a ton of cool stuff, but SUCKS to work with.
23:11 < Wombert> if it pisses you off so much, you're free to look elsewhere, of course
23:12 < OxC2D> No, it doesnt piss me off... none of the other frameworks do this much cool stuff...
23:12 < OxC2D> But, this one is like... impossible :P
23:12 < Wombert> uh huh
23:12 < saracen_> OxC2D: I too have a User model which represents records in a DB and of course have the SecurityUser.
23:12 < OxC2D> mmhm
23:13 < Wombert> what if you ever want to save a user *without* logging him in?
23:13 < Wombert> etc etc
23:13 < Wombert> models don't do that kind of stuff
23:13 < OxC2D> Wombert: uh, then dont call $user->login();
23:14 < Wombert> in fact
23:14 < Wombert> have you looked at the sample app?
23:14 < OxC2D> yeah
23:14 < OxC2D> trac is impossible to navigate :|
23:15 < macen> http://paste2.org/p/160442
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23:16 < saracen_> OxC2D: Download it then
23:17 < Wombert> its in the source tgz/zip...
23:19 < saracen_> I want one of these eeebox hd things =(
23:19 < saracen_> who the hell sells them
23:21 < OxC2D> macen: what if the username/password are invalid
23:21 < saracen_> OxC2D: an error is thrown if its invalid.
23:22 < saracen_> hence the catch
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23:22 < OxC2D> ah
23:22 < OxC2D> hmmmm
23:22 < OxC2D> so, would you have like...... oh WAIT
23:23 < OxC2D> I still need a method to assign the db stuff to the security user stuff...
23:23 < OxC2D> like, for signups, right?
23:25 < OxC2D> or would you have the SecurityUser somehow take care of that?
23:25 < saracen_> you could just assign the whole record to securityuser...
23:26 < OxC2D> cant...
23:26 < saracen_> why?
23:26 < OxC2D> $this->context->getUser()->setAttribute($user) says 'required array, got object'
23:26 < saracen_> ...
23:26 < _cheerios> haha
23:27 < OxC2D> See what I mean, :|
23:27 < saracen_> setAttribute... what do you think it would call the attribute if you give it $user?
23:27 < saracen_> 'mybestguess' maybe?
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23:28 < saracen_> not that you'd do it like that anyway
23:28 < OxC2D> saracen_: foreach($in as $key => $val){ $this->setAttribute($key, $val) }
23:28 < saracen_> but if you did, setAttribute takes a name then the data
23:28 < saracen_> NAW
23:28 < OxC2D> yeah
23:28 < OxC2D> :|
23:28 < saracen_> you could do setAttribute('user', $user);
23:28 < saracen_> But you wouldnt want to
23:28 < OxC2D> yeah
23:28 < OxC2D> I should extend the security user
23:29 < OxC2D> _WHERE_ would I put the file tho?
23:29 < saracen_> WHAT FILE?
23:29 < saracen_> Oh, to extend
23:29 < OxC2D> MySecurityUser extends AgaviSecurityUser
23:29 < saracen_> Take a look at the sample app
23:29 < saracen_> before I call you stupid
23:29 < OxC2D> -_-
23:30 < saracen_> Please don't be a macen clone =( I beg you
23:30 < OxC2D>  :P
23:31 < OxC2D>  /app/lib/user/myfile.class.php
23:31 < saracen_> Yes
23:32 < OxC2D> :)
23:32 < saracen_> Now everytime you could easily have looked at the sample app for an answer, I'm going to call you names.
23:32 < saracen_> Ok, Sandra?
23:32 < OxC2D> :P
23:32 < OxC2D> Sure Bethany.
23:33 < saracen_> =)
23:33 < OxC2D> But, the reason I asked WHERE is because my install doesnt have a /app/lib/user directory
23:35 < saracen_> Funny that
23:36 < saracen_> I too with it would make empty folders for me, *just incase*
23:36 < saracen_> err
23:36 < saracen_> wish*
23:36 < OxC2D> <_< heh, i was a little confused
23:37 < OxC2D> sample app says : "class LolbookUser extends AgaviRbacSecurityUser"
23:37 < OxC2D> er, minus the lolbook part
23:37 < OxC2D> but, I was told I should extend AgaviSecurityUser, did something change?
23:37 < Wombert> sighs
23:37 < Wombert> I'm sure you can figure that out yourself
23:37 < Wombert> nn folks
23:37 < OxC2D> :|
23:37 < saracen_> OxC2D: Wikipedia 'rbac'
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23:38 < OxC2D> hmmm, ok... role based access control
23:39 < saracen_> yeah
23:39 < saracen_> RbacSe... just extends secuser
23:39 < OxC2D> ahh ;)
23:39 < saracen_> but giving it methods for roles
23:40 < saracen_> So you might as well extend the rbacsecuser
23:40 < saracen_> all the cool kids do
23:40 < OxC2D> I can change it if I need to
23:41 < gigi> i have a question about roles. how do we get the role from the user if we grant a role in the user class?
23:41 < saracen_> $user->hasRole('role')?
23:42 < gigi> in my class which extends RbacSecurityUser ... $this->grantRoles(array($type));
23:43 < gigi> that gives me a false
23:43 < saracen_> then the user doesnt have the role 'role'?
23:44 < saracen_> Perhaps I didnt understand your question. hasRole checks to see whether they have that assigned role or not
23:44 < OxC2D> *headdesk*
23:44 < OxC2D> this... is truly awful
23:45 < saracen_> what is?
23:46  * OxC2D points around :P
23:46 < OxC2D> naw, you guys are good
23:46 < OxC2D> but, you know what I mean when I say "Nothing in Agavi is explained very well at all"
23:47 < gigi> yes, the user has a role. i var_dumped to check, and unless $this->grantRoles() isnt correct, it should've gotten a role.
23:47 < gigi> oh i see, so i have to do something like if (user->hasRole('role') == 'OFFICER') for example?
23:48 < gigi> i just figured i would get at least a TRUE if user had a role
23:48 < saracen_> $user->getRoles() - it appears in that list?
23:49 < gigi> i get empty on user->getRoles()
23:49 < saracen_> OxC2D: I thought the same thing when I first started out. But it is explained very well in-code. Browsing the code is your friend =)
23:49 < gigi> even though on login i grantRole
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23:51 < saracen_> gigi have you setup role definitions? ;x
23:51 < gigi> hmmm... where would i do that?
23:51 < saracen_> gigi: you understand the difference between a role and a credential, yeah?
23:52 < gigi> yes, a credential is for say... logging in or out... a role is to allow users to do certain actions
23:52 < saracen_> Ah. What you probably want to do is set a credential. Roles contain credentials, thus have to be pre-defined.
23:52 < saracen_> A credential is used for all of that
23:52 < saracen_> A role just contains credentials.
23:53 < gigi> ok, let me tell u what i want to do... i want certain users to be able to edit and delete everything... others only to edit and delete their own stuff.
23:53 < gigi> so i was assigning roles to do that.
23:54 < gigi> so that if u are viewing a page, if u have a certain role, it will depend whether you can edit the info or only view it.
23:55 < saracen_> Yeah, so what you could so is have the credentials: superadmin.delete superadmin.create superadmin.edit admin.delete admin.create and admin.edit
23:56 < saracen_> then you could crate two roles: superadmin and admin - and give them those "permissions"/credentials
23:56 < saracen_> The sample app has an example of this.
23:57 < gigi> yes, i was trying to follow it. let me go check it out some more.
23:57 < saracen_> But yeah, just keep in mind assigning a role, is just like assigning a bunch of credentials. Its like a shorthand way
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00:01 < gigi> the sample app... it just simply doesn't let u see a page if u don't have the right credentials... that's not really what i want.
00:01 < gigi> i want all to see  the page, but only some to edit/delete
00:01 < OxC2D> ok, but simple questions like "what is this function startup"?
00:02 < gigi> i guess i add the credentials to the edit/delete pages
00:07 < gigi> do we need to do anything else besides grantRole on user class? because i'm not seeing it if there is.
00:08 < gigi> when i var_dump roles on sample app i actually get the role, all i get is empty on my app
00:09 < OxC2D> so, would I call $this->context->getUser()->login($username, $password) ??
00:10 < saracen_> gigi: That is doing what you want it to do. The actions could be: view, edit, delete
00:10 < saracen_> View you would allow for everybody
00:11 < saracen_> edit and delete would require credentials
00:11 < gigi> right. just cant get a value for the role i set on user class
00:11 < saracen_> thats because you cant just assign some random role
00:12 < gigi> oh
00:12 < saracen_> like i said
00:12 < saracen_> roles are just a shortcut to a bunch of credentials
00:12 < saracen_> you need to tell agavi what credentials a role has
00:13 < gigi> i see. now where do we do this?
00:14 < gigi> all i see in sample app is the getCredentials() function in the top secret action
00:16 < saracen_> thats how it checks
00:16 < saracen_> im not sure how the sample apps sets up the definitions, it uses an xml file in config
00:16 < saracen_> but you could use any backend for this
00:16 < OxC2D> saracen_: heyyyyy
00:16 < gigi> oh i c. the rbac definitions in config file!
00:17 < OxC2D> Where the _hell_ is the login class called?
00:17 < gigi> ty
00:17 < saracen_> what login class OxC2D?
00:17 < OxC2D> er, login function of my user class
00:17 < saracen_> You mean when is it called?
00:18 < OxC2D> yeah
00:18 < saracen_> whenever you call it.
00:18 < OxC2D> hmm
00:18 < saracen_> call it from your login action or w/e you want
00:19 < OxC2D> so, how would I generate the path to post to my login action ? bleh
00:19 < saracen_> setup a route to the login action
00:20 < OxC2D> mmhm
00:20 < saracen_> in config/routing.xml
00:20 < OxC2D> yep, I did
00:20 < saracen_> then make a login form
00:20 < saracen_> post to that action
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00:21 < saracen_> making sure you first validate the inputs
00:21 < OxC2D> mmhm
00:36 < OxC2D> does this look about right?
00:36 < OxC2D> http://pastebin.com/m77eafbd8
00:48 < gigi> I'm still getting empty and false when i try to var_dump roles that i set in the user class
00:48 < OxC2D> you arent doing var_dump($this->getContext()->getUser()->hasRole('role')); are you?
00:49 < gigi> $this->us->hasRole('role'); in view
00:49 < OxC2D> ...
00:50 < OxC2D> it should return true/false
00:51 < gigi> regardless of whether i had definitions set for each role, i would think i should get the value I set in the login function
00:52 < OxC2D> $this->context->getUser()->hasRole('admin') should return true/false...
00:52 < OxC2D> just, try it that way
00:54 < gigi> $this->us is same as $this->context->getUser()
00:54 < OxC2D> ya
00:55 < gigi> problem is it's returning false when it should be returning true
00:55 < gigi> and it's returning empty for getRoles()
00:56 < gigi> so naturally it will return false, since it's empty
01:01 < gigi> hmm, when i var_dump it from login page i get a value.
01:04 < gigi> ok, i c, seems like i can only get the value in the action, not the view. which is where i want the value anyways.
01:05 < gigi> no, now i'm getting the value in the view as well
01:05 < gigi> weird. 
01:30 < gigi> so now that i got all that straight... i can't figure out how -own works. I want to the user to be able to access the page if he is viewing his own stuff, but how/where do I set that?
01:32 < gigi> on get credential I have character.delete, character.delete-own... problem is, how to know if page is *own*
01:34 < OxC2D> HOLY
01:34 < OxC2D> COW
01:34 < OxC2D> It works....
01:34 < OxC2D> <_<
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02:21 < gigi> I'm not understanding roles well still. In sample app If I return photos.add in getCredentials() and set user Chuck Norris to photographer which has permission to photos.add, i would expect him to be able to see this page, yet he can't
02:22 < gigi> When I change his role to photomoderator and permission to photos.edit, I can see the page
02:24 < gigi> are there any other files involved in setting roles?
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04:44 < OxC2D> guys, OH... my god.
04:48 < OxC2D> Hey, agaviers, I have a quick pregunta, any takers?
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06:14 < v-dogg> what the hell is "pregunta"
06:14 < v-dogg> huomenta, btw
06:15 < OxC2D> pregunta == spanish "question"
06:15 < OxC2D> so, what do you think: 
06:15 < OxC2D> http://Ox40.us/menu2.png
06:17 < v-dogg> looks ok
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07:54 < MikeSeth> huomenta
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08:06 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:10 < _cheerios> "Internal Server Error" while paying via paypal, geez
08:13 < _cheerios> gawd. i need a chat with impl later. bleh.
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09:14 < Wombert> no
09:14 < Wombert> m
09:20 < _cheerios> meh. need to build lighttpd from source. all the steps to remember to build and setup things :eyepop:
09:28 < _cheerios> reminds me, anyone compiled mysql from source on debian lately? another thing i might need to setup
09:31 < digitarald> Huomenta
09:32 < Seldaek> _cheerios: lighttpd hasn't too much options it's ok :)
09:32 < Seldaek> mysql never tried to pull that one
09:40 < _cheerios> might just use dotdeb to get mysql 5.1, enough work on lighttpd + need to play with debian lenny
09:41 < Wombert> _cheerios: it doesn't even have many dependencies iirc?
09:41 < Wombert> of course, if you were on a mac... "port install lighttpd" :D
09:42 < _cheerios> heh. that works if you get the latest version. i need quite a new lighttpd to get a fix for the continue:100 problems with file uploads.
09:43 < _cheerios> i hope the dependecies are few. i still have a 150 line howto on compiling php from source :)
09:45 < Seldaek> oh php is really awful 
09:45 < Seldaek> I had a line saved with like 50 packages to install for dependencies
09:47 < Wombert> _cheerios: unpack the source and fiddle with the portfile and it works ;)
09:47 < Wombert> they have 1.5-dev ports, too
09:47 < Wombert> Seldaek: but that's cause of all the extensions
09:47 < Wombert> not php itself
09:47 < Wombert> for the most part
09:47 < Wombert> mysql, sqlite, libxml, libxslt and so on
09:52 < _cheerios> Wombert, that easy? does it work? :)
10:22 < _cheerios> ace, my notes for ubuntu seem to be working 1:1 for debian lenny packages wise. *phew* that saved a lot of time.
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10:42 < Seldaek> Wombert: yeah I know but overall it makes compiling php a painful experience :)
10:42 < Seldaek> doesn't matter much who's at fault
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10:54 < _cheerios> php debian packages built. just missing suhosin patch, but that's OK i guess...
10:58 < Seldaek> oh I hate that thing
10:58 < Seldaek> which is why I didn't use dotdeb packages
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11:07 < _cheerios> all packaged, that was OK: Starting web server: lighttpd.
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11:51 < _cheerios> what compilation flags to give to mysql?
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12:27 < Wombert> I find it odd that so many people struggle with clean URL design
12:30 < _cheerios> in what kind of ways are they struggling?
13:09 < _cheerios> finally. mysql built and packaged. so many things can go wrong in so few lines...
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14:57 < MrJeep> with an output filter, would it be faster to find an element using a regular expression or importing the whole thing into a DOM document ?
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15:13 < Seldaek> MrJeep: regex are much faster than DOM crap afaik
15:14 < MrJeep> I think too
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15:38 < MikeSeth> hahahaha check out these winners
15:38 < MikeSeth> 3 am in usa
15:38 < MikeSeth> one of our boxes goes down on the datacenter's monitoring
15:39 < MikeSeth> noc monkies decide to take the server out of the rack and see what's wrong, end up replacing the chassis and the ram
15:39 < MikeSeth> destroy the filesystem in the process
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15:39 < MikeSeth> much lulz ensues as I have to run evil fsck over the disk and salvage whatever possible with rsync
15:39 < MikeSeth> LE FAIL
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15:51 < v-dogg> Le Wombah
15:54 < Wombert> wat hapen v-dogg 
15:54 < Wombert> MrJeep: I guess regex
15:55 < Wombert> or str_replace in fact
15:55 < MrJeep> I'm basically rewrite my 'navigation filter' (class to add a class attribute to navigation element based on the current module/action/param
15:56 < MrJeep> and to improve speed I'm looking to use regex instead of the dom document class
15:59 < gigi> anyone know how to redirect with parameters?
16:00 < asonge> gigi: redirect with $ro->gen should put params in
16:00 < gigi> ah, thanks
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16:02 < asonge> MrJeep: you could do this in javascript
16:02 < asonge> MrJeep: then you incur no serverside hit :)
16:03 < MrJeep> The way I made my filter, I think it's better server side
16:03 < MrJeep> example
16:03 < MrJeep> in the view :
16:03 < MrJeep> $rules = $this->getAttribute('rules', 'org.agavi.filter.NavigationFilter');
16:03 < MrJeep> $rules->addRune('field-id', 'ModuleToMatch', 'ActionToMatch', [parameters to match if available]);
16:03 < MrJeep> addRule*
16:04 < MrJeep> then if a route is matched (wildcard are also possible), the field id receive an extra class
16:04 < MrJeep> right now it works great
16:04 < asonge> the problem with regular expressions is matching against all href's in different attributes
16:05 < asonge> erm, href's in different tags
16:05 < MrJeep> I'm not using regex to match route
16:05 < MrJeep> oh
16:05 < MrJeep> just to make sure we understand each other, I'm using regex to find the element with a given id
16:05 < MrJeep> on the response
16:06 < asonge> the entire element?
16:07 < MrJeep> just the part of the element where the attributes area
16:07 < MrJeep> are*
16:07 < asonge> and then you'll look for class?
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16:08 < MrJeep> I'll look for id
16:08 < MrJeep> hopefully this will work as well as using the DomDocument
16:08 < MrJeep> but faster
16:08 < MrJeep> I hope so...
16:09  * asonge likes the jquery solution
16:10 < MrJeep> I'm sure it's equally good 
16:10 < asonge> well, the nice part is it takes no resources
16:10 < asonge> well, the client resources don't matter as much to scaling
16:11 < asonge> $('a').filter(function () { this.href==route }).attr('class', 'current-page'); ...where route is your full route, or stripped of the params
16:12 < _cheerios> i wonder at what time the socket path (for mysql) is inked in for php, as on my local builds it doesn't respect whats in my.cnf for some reason
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16:21 < asonge> _cheerios: i thought it was libmysql's responsibility to read the defaults...i guess now
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16:48 < _cheerios> mmm, might be an old config lingering around. will check make clean
17:09 < _cheerios> no change. i can live with this (for now). mysql starts with correct --socket=PATH, but php looks up to some default value
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18:19 < Wombert> any bash wizards? :>
18:20 < v-dogg> Just ask, and wait patientily :)
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18:29 < digitarald> That just made my day: http://www.hulu.com/watch/61238/saturday-night-live-macgruber-w-macguyver
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20:52 < _cheerios> that was the worst video ive seen. was mcgyver THAT bad?
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21:25 < CIA-57> david * r3903 /branches/1.0/test/ (5 files in 3 dirs): tests for routing regression, refs #1056
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22:45 < _cheerios> hello new work week
22:51 < E_mE> mooo'z at _cheerios 
22:52 < _cheerios> sup E_mE ?
22:53 < OxC2D> hey, ...
22:53 < E_mE> solving few bugs, your self _cheerios ?
22:53 < OxC2D> would putting function __get($key){ return $this->getAttribute
22:53 < OxC2D> ($key); } in my SecurityUser model be a bad idea?
22:54 < _cheerios> E_mE, got a bunch of good stuff done. So glad I got lighttpd + mysql + php built & debianized for Lenny. Might get my first Agavi service up next Sunday \o/
22:54 < E_mE> 0xC2D: check if it exists in AgaviUser class
22:54 < E_mE> :D cool _cheerios 
22:54 < E_mE> I start my new job week on monday :D
22:54 < E_mE> and end my current one on wednesday
22:56 < _cheerios> stressful times ahead :)
22:56 < _cheerios> given the times, i just hope i'll have a job every month :p
22:58 < E_mE> eeek, im sure things will be fine :)
23:00 < OxC2D> I dont get this whole 'economy crisis' thing....
23:00 < OxC2D> Im working 40.5+ hrs/week... havent seen a cut in hours at all.
23:04 < E_mE> are you contracted to work 40hrs/week though?
23:04 < E_mE> OxC2D: 
23:04 < OxC2D> 'contracted' ??
23:04 < OxC2D> lol, I work retail.
23:04 < E_mE> oh supermarket?
23:04 < E_mE> or a shop?
23:04 < OxC2D> Hardware Store
23:05 < OxC2D> I am their Website Manager / Receiving Manager / Floor Manager / Lawn & Garden Manager / *
23:05 < E_mE> well, when i mean contracted, i must work 7.5hrs/day in my new job, my contract says so
23:05 < E_mE> and i guess if they want me to work less i need to have a new contract etc
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23:19 < OxC2D> lol naw
23:19 < OxC2D> I just... work as long as I am needed, usually 8 hrs/day
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23:35 < E_mE> thats cool :)
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23:59 < OxC2D> Ok, so, anyone here know how to use HTTP_HOST to change routes in my routing?
--- Day changed Mon Mar 09 2009
00:00 < E_mE> routing call backs?
00:00 < OxC2D> http://www.mysite.com and http://mysite.com should go to Default->Index, http://anythingelse.mysite.com should go to Profile->Index
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00:51 < MugeSo> huomenta
00:55 < gigi> 		<script type="text/javascript" src="js/jquery-latest.min.js"></script>
00:55 < gigi> oops. sorry about that
00:58 < OxC2D> lol
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01:38 < OxC2D> can agavi make me an action / module?
01:39 < OxC2D> Im sick of making FooAction.class.php and copying, then FooSuccessView.class.php and FooErrorView.class.php and FooSuccess.php and FooError.php
01:49 < MrJeep> this is why there is a command line interface to create module project action view whatever
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01:58 < aka> Huomenta
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03:17 < OxC2D> MrJeep: ah, see, thats what I guessed...
03:18 < OxC2D> But didnt know for sure
03:18 < OxC2D> is there a reference for that?
04:19 < v-dogg> OxC2D: you still haven't looked at the tutorial, have you?
04:19 < OxC2D> _yes_. I _HAVE_
04:19 < OxC2D> I look at it all the time
04:19 < OxC2D> I spend most of my time trying to navigate it
04:21 < v-dogg> how did you install agavi? manually or pear?
04:21 < OxC2D> pear
04:22 < v-dogg> the, assuming your pear is set up correctly (correct PATH), just type "agavi" in to command line 
04:22 < v-dogg> then*
04:24 < OxC2D> ahhhh
04:24 < OxC2D> there it is :)
04:24 < OxC2D> well, bed time
04:24 < OxC2D> thanks man, cya
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05:05 < v-dogg> a modest nick name there
05:06 < impl> god is my student :D
05:07 < v-dogg> good quote :)
05:07 < v-dogg> thelenious monk once said "God is my slave"
05:09 < impl> hah
05:11 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCode2009/Ideas
05:11 < v-dogg> woot, it is colder now than it was an hour ago when the sun wasn't up
05:11 < impl> lawl, is it cold there?
05:11 < v-dogg> hell must be freezing....
05:11 < impl> it's uh 18C here
05:11 < v-dogg> -4C so not that cold anymore
05:11 < impl> :x
05:11 < impl> lawl
05:12 < v-dogg> gotta get going
05:12 < v-dogg> bbl ->
05:12 < impl> bai
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06:05 < v-dogg> huomenta #2
06:05 < OxC2D> whats 'good night'??
06:10 < v-dogg> in Finnish?
06:11 < v-dogg> hyvää yötä
06:12 < OxC2D> hmm
06:12 < OxC2D> Im part finnish :)
06:25 < benschi> huomenta
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08:20 < horros> Huomenta.
08:21 < graste_> huomenta
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08:54 < _cheerios> huomenta
09:07 < macen> huomenta 
09:07 < macen> in court today, it even made the local press :x
09:07 < macen> tried getting into the wrong house after too much beer heh eek
09:08 < macen> not good, funny or clever *repeats in head*
09:08 < _cheerios> lol *g*
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09:15 < _cheerios> what's the penalty going to be? being sober for 48hrs?
09:18 < MikeSeth> macen: waaat
09:19 < MikeSeth> they're pressing charges against you for tresspassing? lol
09:28 < horros> :D :D
09:29 < v-dogg> guys, I need your wisdom
09:30 < v-dogg> I have a list of things (let's say puppies) and a basic filter form (e.g. "show only brown puppies", "sort by poo size")
09:32 < Seldaek> you need sensible weights for the poo sizes?
09:32 < v-dogg> I thought about saving the filter values into the session and then have a routing callback to insert them into /my/list?filter_param=foo&filter-color=brown
09:34 < v-dogg> or actually, no need for a callback really
09:34 < graste_> just params with default values?
09:34 < graste_> in the form
09:35 < graste_> or without defaults and saving defaults to session so that each user has its own
09:37 < horros> Damnit!
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09:37 < horros> Why aren't the rewrite rules working!
09:37 < horros> :x
09:37 < Seldaek> ?
09:38 < horros> It's not removing index.php :(
09:38 < Seldaek> apache?
09:38 < horros> Mmmhm.
09:38 < Seldaek> is that a yes ?:p
09:38 < horros> Yes.
09:38 < horros> (and yes, I do load mod_rewrite, and yes, I do have AllowOverride All)
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09:38 < Seldaek> sorry I don't do humming over text
09:38 < Seldaek> okay
09:39 < Seldaek> and you do have the .htaccess working ?
09:39 < horros> Apparently it works somewhat, as DirectoryIndex index.php seems to work.
09:39 < Seldaek> try RewriteEngine On \n RewriteRule .* http://google.com/ [L] 
09:40 < horros> No worko :(
09:41 < Seldaek> what you don't get google ? then it must not read the htaccess
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09:42 < horros> It does.
09:42 < horros> If I change DirectoryIndex to index.php123 it b0rks.
09:42 < Seldaek> hm
09:42 < Seldaek> then mod rewrite isn't loaded straight?
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09:42 < horros> How peculiar.
09:42 < Seldaek> restarted apache?
09:43 < horros> If I removed the <IfModule rewrite_module> and </IfModule> everything works.
09:43 < v-dogg> <IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
09:43  * horros shrugs, whistles and continues like nothing has happened
09:43 < v-dogg> does it require the .c there?
09:43 < horros> No idea.
09:43 < Seldaek> no
09:43 < horros> This is a stock .htaccess that agavi project-wizard has created.
09:44 < Seldaek> <IfModule dir_module>
09:44 < Seldaek> that's from apache default conf
09:44 < v-dogg> k
09:44 < Seldaek> so rewrite_module seems alright
09:44 < horros> Hmm
09:44 < Seldaek> but if you know it's there
09:44 < Seldaek> screw the if
09:44 < horros> Another project I have has <IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
09:44 < v-dogg> horros: pu .c there
09:44 < v-dogg> oh
09:44 < Seldaek> weird
09:44 < v-dogg> removing that broke my routes
09:45 < Seldaek> :)
09:45 < v-dogg> horros: oh "another"
09:45 < Seldaek> hm interestingly, my agavi .htaccess is <IfModule mod_rewrite.c> 
09:45 < v-dogg> put the .c there. that must be it
09:45 < horros> Yup.
09:46 < horros> If I change it to <IfModule mod_rewrite.c> everything works.
09:46 < v-dogg> there :)
09:46 < Seldaek> weird
09:47 < horros> agavi's dot.htaccess.tmpl says <IfModule rewrite_module>
09:47 < horros> This is a checkout from tags/1.0.0
09:49 < horros> Where's Wombert when he's broken things!
09:56 < benschi> as far as i know rewirte_module works on Debian
09:56 < horros> Well, it doesn't work on Windows.
09:57 < horros> (Apache 2.0.63)
09:57 < benschi> see http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_rewrite.html
09:57 < horros> 11:55 < horros> Well, it doesn't work on Windows.
09:58 < v-dogg> me concurs
09:58 < v-dogg> doesn't really mean a lot to me if it works on Debian :)
09:58 < horros> Agreed.
09:59 < benschi> well it works under gentoo too, just tested it
09:59 < horros> 11:55 < horros> Well, it doesn't work on Windows.
09:59 < horros> ;)
09:59 < horros> That's all I really care about at the moment.
09:59  * benschi does not use windoors anymore
09:59 < v-dogg> haha
10:00  * v-dogg slaps benschi 
10:00 < v-dogg> that is really not that relevant here :)
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10:00 < benschi> w00t
10:00  * horros doesn't give a rat's arse if it works on Debian, Red Hat, Gentoo, OS X, DOS, CP/M or AmigaOS
10:00 < horros> But it most certainly does not work on Windows.
10:01 < horros> Wombert: Problems with dot.htaccess.tmpl :(((((
10:01 < horros> Wombert: tags/1.0.0 -checkout has <IfModule rewrite_module>
10:01 < Wombert> horros: and that doesn't work?
10:02 < Wombert> it should...
10:02 < horros> Wombert: Does not work on Windows with Apache 2.0.63, had to change it to <IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
10:02 < Wombert> APACHE DOCS SAY SO
10:02 < Wombert> oh man :<
10:02 < Wombert> fucking apache
10:04 < v-dogg> but hey, look on the bright side: it works on debian :p
10:05 < horros> v-dogg: Don't forget Gentoo!
10:13  * benschi smacks v-dogg and horros
10:14 < benschi> don't be so mean to me :(
10:18 < codecop_> how to enable credentials for User to Edit own Item and Admin to modify all items ? if i return in getCredentials array like //admin group can modify all pages
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10:18 < codecop_> $cred = array('admin.page.modify'); and $cred[] = 'item-'.$id; i got permission denied for user
10:20 < codecop_> array items becames like credetial1 AND credential2 user must have and not credetial1 OR credential2
10:20 < codecop_> how to make OR for credentiqals
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10:29 < riddL3r> Huomenta
10:29 < riddL3r> i have a questuion: How can i call my FileModel in my PdfModel?
10:32 < graste_> $this->getContext()->getModel() ?
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10:49 < riddL3r> Works, sry i asked, because my friend has some Problems with getModel because i diddn't use initilize. And than he has no $context
10:49 < riddL3r> This is the reason why i ask first... :)
10:49 < riddL3r> but THX
11:09  * v-dogg comforts benschi 
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11:29 < _cheerios> codecop_: based on nesting of arrays, it's and/or
11:38 < Wombert> meh codecop
11:38 < Wombert> :<
11:38 < _cheerios> reminds i should polish up the rbac2 implementation i made and publish it
11:46 < _cheerios> much easier to setup custom rules out of your ass
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11:50 < MikeSeth> om
11:50 < MikeSeth> nom nom
11:51 < Rayne> delicious cake?
11:51 < Rayne> hai
12:03 < MikeSeth> ohai
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12:18 < _cheerios> http://lohikarme.1g.fi/kuvat/Clubbing/Pacifique2009/ im somewhat regretting not having gone...
12:19 < MikeSeth> zomg
12:19 < MikeSeth> DO WANT
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12:19 < MikeSeth> who are all these people and how do I copulate with them
12:20 < v-dogg> holy crap...
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12:23 < horros> You know, ALL of those people look like the sort I'd rather punch in the face than talk to.
12:24 < v-dogg> talking is not what any of us (except you of course) had in mind
12:24 < horros> Like this bloke: http://lohikarme.1g.fi/kuvat/Clubbing/Pacifique2009/IMG_0567-Edit.jpg
12:24  * horros vomits
12:24 < v-dogg> haha
12:24 < horros> And to be equally honest, I probably wouldn't give a minute of my time to any of the chicks either.
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12:30 < Wombert> they're all weird
12:30 < MikeSeth> you suck as male pigs
12:30 < MikeSeth> srsly
12:30 < aka>  nah i am pretty good at it
12:31 < horros> MikeSeth: No, srs. Those people represent just about everything I despise.
12:35 < v-dogg> hey, why the hell does FPF inject an error container (but no errors) when I have a SILENT validation incident
12:36 < v-dogg> heh, and why am I using 1.0.0RC1 :D
12:37 < aka> haha :D
12:38 < macen> _cheerios: ya this is england
12:38 < v-dogg> umm.. but upgrading didn't fix that (I remember some silent incident stuff was fixed in some beta/rc release)...l
12:38 < saracen> Wombert: You've done it again.
12:38 < macen> so i have that to deal with, cell, no toilet for 12 hours
12:38 < saracen> Wombert: The bitextender logo is falling off the page on agavi.org
12:38 < macen> then they take me come back like 4 times already, all of which if i "sleep in" or whatever a warrant is issued for my arrest
12:39 < macen> s/take/make
12:39 < macen> but it'll all go away if i pay for the damage caused meh
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12:39 < _cheerios> seems we have a real criminal element on this channel :p
12:39 < macen> 'cept the CPS have to agree :P
12:40 < macen> i totally don't know how/why/what happened
12:40 < macen> but i woke up in a cell with no shoes, they stole my belt and my wallet and everything was gone
12:40 < macen> like :o 
12:40 < macen> AND NO TOILET
12:40 < macen> which is very bad when you are suffering from excessive alcohol comsumption
12:40 < macen> oh well......
12:41 < MrJeep> wwo
12:41 < MrJeep> wow
12:41 < MrJeep> I guess my monday morning does not suck so bad after all
12:42 < macen> idd
12:42 < macen> :(
12:42 < macen> back to work now.
12:42 < MrJeep> do you puked on the floor ?
12:42 < MrJeep> so*
12:42 < macen> nop, i managed to hold it in, if you ask nicely enough they let you use a toilet
12:42 < macen> i felt like a real man after managing this ;)
12:42 < macen> heh
12:43 < E_mE> :/ you been causing some trouble macen?
12:44 < macen> yes, drink and energy pills E_mE 
12:45 < macen> not good at all
12:45 < E_mE> why do you do that if you just end up in a cell :S
12:45 < macen> very bad in fact
12:45 < macen> that's what my parents keep saying, just don't go out if you keep doing things like that
12:45 < macen> like, it happened once, ok
12:46 < macen> gahh
12:46 < macen> oh well
12:47 < E_mE> what did you damage?
12:47 < macen> £2400 is the claim, it's a long story but she wants a new kitchen, which is why it went to court
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12:47 < macen> i thought it was my house, waited for ageessss, then decided to get in by smashing the window 
12:48 < macen> threw stone police appeared 
12:48 < macen> doh
12:48 < E_mE> wtf!
12:48 < E_mE> you really shouldnt drink if thats what can happen :S
12:49 < macen> ya this is true 
12:49 < _cheerios> queue in liquor + son -jokes
12:49 < macen> i really believed it was my house which is the weird bit
12:49 < macen> but meh
12:50 < E_mE> throwing stones at the police, they wearn't you house ;)
12:50 < E_mE> your*
12:50 < E_mE> did they give you a beating =P
12:50 < macen> haha no :p
12:50 < macen> they were very nice until they saw the broken window 
12:50 < macen> then they were less nice
12:51 < MikeSeth> tell them you are a scientologist
12:51 < E_mE> hehe, then demand extra services
12:51 < macen> a toilet would of  been nice
12:51 < macen> my gut was rotten inside :s
12:51 < MikeSeth> or better yet
12:51 < MikeSeth> say it is your religious belief that you must break a window when you're drunk
12:52 < MikeSeth> i'd be such a shitty solicitor lol
12:52 < macen> ah but i don't want the criminal record
12:52 < macen> and yes you would lol
12:52 < MikeSeth> criminal record is fun
12:52 < macen> sell if they force me to have one, i'll have fun with it
12:52 < MikeSeth> as in "fundamentalism"
12:52 < macen> s/sell/well 
12:52 < macen> they only drawback for me having it would be that i'd probably never be able to go into politics later in life
12:53 < E_mE> bet your neighbour  doesn;t like you anymore
12:53 < macen> no they all look at me funny
12:53 < E_mE> macen: im very glad about that ;)
12:54 < macen> (the house was in a different town, minor point)
12:54 < macen> lol
12:54 < macen> but i did *used* to live there
12:54 < MikeSeth> well at least you just broke their window
12:54 < E_mE> oh... did you even relise you where doing it? or was you unconcious?
12:54 < MikeSeth> not like you took a dump in their mailbox
12:54 < MikeSeth> which would've been amusing too :D
12:54 < E_mE> hehehe
12:54 < v-dogg> or got shot as a burglar
12:55 < macen> the locals round my way know because they printed a story with "My Name, My Age, who lives at My Street"
12:55 < macen> so like, denying it was me, was hard :s
12:55 < E_mE> v-dogg: no guns in the UK ;)
12:55 < v-dogg> hah, yeah RIGHT!
12:55 < v-dogg> (I know about your hand gun laws but still :)
12:55 < macen> yes E_mE entirely unconscious ..and very very cold..
12:57 < E_mE> v-dogg: gun problems deffo hehe
12:57 < macen> you should come live in Clitheroe E_mE if you are coming up north
12:57 < macen> it much better than chesterfield!
12:58 < macen> you could kip in the empty Woolworths
12:58 < E_mE> well, I dont want window smashing harassment ... 
12:58 < macen> then rent a flat :p
12:58 < macen> high on second floor...
12:58 < macen> problem solved
12:59 < E_mE> ja but you will still be in the 2-3mile radius... that could be a problem
12:59 < macen> oh ok
12:59 < E_mE> i shall organise holidays for when you visit chesterfield too hoho
12:59 < E_mE> because im geninually scare of you now... ::shakes::
12:59 < macen> well yeah if you don't want to live near me then living in Clitheroe is a bad idea :p
12:59 < macen> ehk
12:59 < macen> :)
13:00 < macen> well....Clitheroe is nice area....plus you could commute to Manchester or Preston
13:00 < macen> pretty big cities 
13:00 < macen> just don't live in Blackburn :p
13:00 < macen> that's like the polar opposite of Clitheroe 
13:00 < macen> heh
13:01 < E_mE> pay me £100K/yr and i might consider it ;)
13:07 < _cheerios> is this local paper online, copy? :)
13:07 < _cheerios> can add it to the agavi users page..
13:15 < Wombert> [13:38] saracen: Wombert: The bitextender logo is falling off the page on agavi.org
13:15 < Wombert> lies
13:15 < horros> All this talk about police, problems and being drunk reminds me of the fact that I was almost strangled a week ago or so.
13:15 < horros> But I think I mentioned that already.
13:15 < _cheerios> woot?
13:16 < Wombert> horros: wat hapen
13:16 < _cheerios> Wombert, its on its own line here on firefox.
13:16 < horros> Long story short: I grabbed a 'tard by the collar and threw him away and told him to fuck right off, and he proceeded to strangle the guy who was sitting next to me at the bar :D
13:17 < horros> Apparently he mistook the other guy for me.
13:17 < Wombert> you finns are aggressive people
13:17 < Wombert> I might just not come visit you after all
13:17 < horros> I'm far from aggressive.
13:17 < horros> I'm very mild mannered.
13:17 < _cheerios> heh
13:17 < horros> like I said, it's a long story :)
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13:19 < E_mE> finns are great drivers from what i've seen :)
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13:21 < marioprudhomme> yo
13:21 < marioprudhomme> anyone around?
13:23 < MikeSeth> sup
13:23 < MrJeep> oui
13:24 < MrJeep> mario, tu es de où?
13:24 < MrJeep> ... was sure he could speak french
13:25 < Wombert> marioprudhomme: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
13:25 < Wombert> saracen: reload
13:26 < Wombert> _cheerios: reload
13:26 < marioprudhomme> quebec
13:27 < marioprudhomme> i can speak french, hell, i AM french
13:27 < _cheerios> Wombert, no change here
13:28 < marioprudhomme> wombert, ty :P, wanted to ask if anyone knows a nice work around late static binding
13:28 < _cheerios> php 5.3 :p
13:28  * _cheerios hides
13:28 < marioprudhomme> it seems to take forever tho
13:28 < marioprudhomme> its gonna be php 5.2.9.9.9.9 before 5.3 comes out
13:29 < marioprudhomme> MrJeep, you in quebec aswell?
13:30 < MrJeep> yeah I'm in quebec
13:30 < marioprudhomme> city? :)
13:30 < MrJeep> Sherbrooke
13:30 < marioprudhomme> im in the ottawa region
13:30 < MrJeep> oh
13:30 < marioprudhomme> i know a guy in sherbrooke who lives in a shed
13:30 < MrJeep> a shed ? what's his name ?
13:31 < marioprudhomme> Patrick something
13:31 < marioprudhomme> :D
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13:31 < marioprudhomme> your names patrick? :>
13:31 < MrJeep> nop
13:31 < marioprudhomme> hehe
13:31 < MrJeep> :P
13:31 < MrJeep> well, nice to meet you
13:35 < Wombert> _cheerios: reload reload
13:35 < Wombert> so it refreshes the css from cache
13:35 < Wombert> MikeSeth: POEK
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13:36 < _cheerios> you need to add ?v=VERSION to your css/js on deployment clearleh! :p
13:36 < _cheerios> firefox is stubborn on caching :<
13:36 < MikeSeth> Wombert: ohai
13:36 < _cheerios> i trust its cool
13:37 < Wombert> MikeSeth: canhas help with ze dita stuff plz
13:37 < MikeSeth> Wombert: yessir
13:37 < Wombert> remember, the thing felix had a problem with
13:37 < Wombert> thanks
13:37 < MikeSeth> Wombert: umm i already told him how to do what he wanted
13:37 < Wombert> _cheerios: does it work now?
13:37 < Wombert> MikeSeth: orly
13:37 < MikeSeth> Wombert: or is that something about html output corruption?
13:37 < Wombert> looks at Xylakant 
13:38 < Xylakant> hmm?
13:38 < Xylakant> it still kinda breaks the layout :)
13:38 < MikeSeth> Xylakant: err I need to see
13:38 < MikeSeth> last time I remembered i was supposed to do that at 4 am :|
13:38 < Xylakant> :)
14:01 < digitarald> damn, I wish I had not accepted so many projects and could work on the forge at least 1 day per week
14:01 < digitarald> wait, summer of code is somehow payed ... maybe I can give my project to some student
14:05 < digitarald> Wombert: what about a CMS or CMF for agavi, as gsc
14:05 < digitarald> or asset management
14:05 < Wombert> mail suggestions to dev@ if you can
14:07 < digitarald> mh, if I'd do that, I'd need to add more details ...
14:09 < digitarald> Wombert: if you need a mentor, I'd be glad help out
14:14 < digitarald> Wombert: btw, the wikipedia page requires minor updates
14:14 < digitarald> ... ah, right ... I can edit ... doing it
14:15 < digitarald> is the logo somewhere as svg?
14:19 < E_mE> digitarald: the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agavi  <-- deleted?
14:21 < graste_> yeah wikipedia admins ftw
14:23 < matbtt> bloody bastards!
14:24 < digitarald> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agavi is still alive
14:25 < digitarald> seems that Wombert edited it to save it, and they accepted
14:26 < digitarald> maybe we should just port the german article to english, but that is probably also against holy wiki rules
14:28 < saracen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_application_frameworks
14:29 < saracen> stable version needs updating
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14:29 < saracen> I'm not a wikipeon, hence I'm not doing it myself :P
14:31 < v-dogg> great table... CodeIgniter: MVC: Modified active record pattern 
14:31 < Wombert> digitarald: I did, nd it was removed
14:32 < v-dogg> and AR is MVC how exactly?
14:32 < saracen> The table is the most useless thing ever
14:35 < graste_> Wombert: caching/executionfilter-related question: why does "request_parameter" as source exist, when there's "global_request_data" to do the same (without namespace attribute, that is)
14:35 < Wombert> graste_: legacy
14:36 < E_mE> Wombert: do you maintain the En.wiki agavi page?
14:37 < graste_> okay
14:37 < graste_> :P
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14:41 < Wombert> there is no english page on agavi
14:42 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agavi
14:44 < E_mE> no it was deleted Wombert 
14:44 < Wombert> yes, because it doesn't meet wikipedia's notability guidelines
14:44 < E_mE> any objects if i attempt to create a new one?
14:44 < Wombert> which is okay
14:44 < Wombert> its true
14:44 < Wombert> yes
14:44 < Wombert> don't please :)
14:44 < E_mE> ok
14:45 < Wombert> I'd like to wait for another couple of months and re-add it
14:45 < E_mE> sure thing
14:45 < Wombert> I really don't have any problems with them deleting it. I welcome them enforcing their rules so strictly. it ensures quality
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14:47 < _cheerios> wheres the copy they deleted? i want to see how nutty the page was
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14:56 < god> the French page is lacking, but it's still up.
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15:18 < saracen> god: No
15:18 < saracen> NO
15:18 < saracen> WHY?
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15:23 < graste_> because it can
15:24 < god> saracen: what?
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15:30 < saracen> god: You.
15:30 < saracen> Being here
15:30 < Wombert> BUTBUTBUT
15:30 < saracen> It makes me feel like projectile vomiting, preferably at you and your bicycle.
15:30 < Wombert> I ALWAYS THOUGHT GOD WAS AMERICAN
15:30 < Wombert> NOT FRENCH
15:30 < Wombert> saracen: www.agavi.org better now?
15:30 < Wombert> refresh for cache purge
15:30 < saracen> He is american, he fakes being french from time to time. I can't blame him - he's American.
15:31 < saracen> Wombert: Yeah, its fixed
15:31 < saracen> Although, I am on a different computer now
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15:32 < god> I'm American, but live in Canada. That's all.
15:32 < v-dogg> double fail
15:32 < v-dogg> :p
15:32 < saracen> god: You _live_ there now?
15:32 < v-dogg> (just kidding :)
15:32 < god> v-dogg: I'll roll over your house with our square wheels!
15:33 < saracen> I need a decent password, hook me up.
15:33 < MikeSeth> ecApdoch7 (ec-Ap-doch-SEVEN)
15:33 < MikeSeth> KairHej0 (Kair-Hej-ZERO)
15:33 < MikeSeth> pib7greivTi (pib-SEVEN-greiv-Ti)
15:33 < MikeSeth> SeOf1Floy (Se-Of-ONE-Floy)
15:33 < MikeSeth> IxUnBebhim7 (Ix-Un-Beb-him-SEVEN)
15:33 < MikeSeth> Weolv8fruHif (We-olv-EIGHT-fru-Hif)
15:33 < MikeSeth> choose any :D
15:34 < saracen> Thats really easy to remember =)
15:34 < god> hey, that's the list apg just generated for me, too!
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15:44 < saracen> 15:44:41 < god> I'll send him some weed :)
15:45 < saracen> god is BAD.
15:45 < saracen> Just thought I'd highlight this fact.
15:45 < MikeSeth> put him back in the freezer
15:45 < MikeSeth> we'll give him to the dog later
15:46 < god> I never said that, saracen. and why do you want to ruin my chances of GSoC?
15:47 < saracen> I do it for the lulz.
15:47 < saracen> But wait, this will never work.
15:47 < saracen> You're Jewish?
15:47 < saracen> Wombert is german.
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15:48 < v-dogg> we are all friends now (just don't mention the war)
15:48 < saracen> <3
15:49 < CIA-57> dominik * r3904 /branches/1.0/test/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
15:49 < CIA-57> add routing regression test
15:49 < CIA-57> refs #1057
15:49 < v-dogg> Wombert: we should add all these fawlty towers quotes to IRC wiki page :p
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15:55 < Wombert> we should v-dogg 
15:55 < Wombert> can you do that :D
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16:36 < CIA-57> dominik * r3905 /branches/1.0/src/routing/AgaviRouting.class.php: 
16:36 < CIA-57> fix callbacks not being able to change or add extra parameters
16:36 < CIA-57> closes #1056,#1057
16:36 < marioprudhomme> considering i have a class name inside a variable, is it possible to fetch a static variable from that class? like $className::$test;
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16:49 < macen> _cheerios: is this local paper online, copy? <---yes, but my story didn't make it
16:49 < macen> they could only say that i was on bail :p
16:49 < macen> it was a 4cm square article ;)
16:50 < macen> bastards though to print it, i bet the woman whose house it was rang it in
16:50 < macen> in a small town these things do tend to happen ...
16:50 < E_mE> dont get so drunk next time macen 
16:50 < E_mE> more public humiliation i say
16:50 < macen> all PR is good PR... :/
16:51 < macen> i'll follow it up with a double spread ad or something heh
16:51 < macen> and errrr, 100k£ for you E_mE ? hmm... ya... lol :p
16:51 < E_mE> i can imagine that, oh got to yonds for a website, make sure he doesn't smash your window in when you dont agree hehe
16:51 < macen> lols..
16:51 < macen> this would not happen
16:51 < macen> of course
16:52 < E_mE> dont know now, your an out of control drunk with violent tendencies 
16:52 < macen> according to the Clutheroe Advertiser i'm not violent, however i am released on unconditional bail
16:52 < macen> for criminal damage...
16:53 < macen> so i'm now officially part of societies under-body
16:53 < macen> yey for me
16:54 < macen> will soon blow over
16:54 < macen> worse things have happened
16:55 < macen> i'll remember to scan it and post to Facebook for you to marvel at :P
16:55 < macen> and possibly throw darts at, by the sounds of it :o
16:55 < macen> lol
16:55 < macen> byebyes
16:56 < saracen> Your a cock smoker.
16:56 < saracen> bye*
16:56 < saracen> you're*
16:56 < saracen> =(
17:04 < Rayne|aedion> did anyone answered my question (i had a ip reset after asking)
17:05 < Rayne|aedion> => if i have a SuberBlog module where should SuperBlog's administration logic be placed: inside the admin module or inside itself (SuperBlog)?
17:05 < E_mE> Rayne|aedion: depends how complicated your implementation is, but generally i'd put it into the same module
17:06 < E_mE> you could then have an admin module which wraps around the SuperBlog module
17:06 < Rayne|aedion> E_mE, is it possible to hook those modules administration logic into the admin module? ah, great :)
17:06 < E_mE> but then least all your code is based within its own domain
17:07 < E_mE> Rayne|aedion: just call the Model or call/create the action via PHP
17:08 < Rayne|aedion> is there a hook system which allows to register new modules (for instance created by $third_party_guy) or do i have to implement this by myself?
17:09 < Rayne|aedion> (examples: hook system at wordpress, module system at drupal, and so on)
17:19 < digitarald> Rayne|aedion: you'd have to implement it on your own
17:19 < digitarald> but a component system is "planned"
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17:26 < CIA-57> dominik * r3906 /branches/1.0/CHANGELOG: 
17:26 < CIA-57> changelog for [3905]
17:26 < CIA-57> refs #1056,#1057
17:31 < E_mE> me off 2 ze home
17:31 < E_mE> bye
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19:04 < _cheerios> laff @ http://www.sessions2.com/galleries/konemetsa08/001.jpg
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19:12 < riddL3r> huomenta
19:13 < riddL3r> i have a big problem :)
19:13 < riddL3r> so i have an input type file field witch name is: file
19:13 < riddL3r> so in my validation XMl of the action i use AgaviImageValidator as my validation class
19:14 < riddL3r> and my argument is only file
19:14 < riddL3r> if i try to send i only come to my handle error..
19:15 < v-dogg> hurry up to the problem part, I'm about to go... :)
19:15 < v-dogg> correct enctype in the form?
19:16 < riddL3r> http://pastebin.com/d69101267
19:16 < riddL3r> yes
19:16 < riddL3r> <form action="<?php $ro->gen(null); ?>" method="post" enctype="multipart/form-data">
19:16 < impl> _cheerios: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nforbes/Agavi
19:18 < _cheerios> i can understand why it was deleted
19:18 < _cheerios> ta for the link
19:19 < riddL3r> v-dogg some ideas?
19:20 < impl> The only thing that bothers me is that some of the other articles they have on Web frameworks are far far less notable than Agavi
19:22 < _cheerios> fs, dropped meh db while trying to drop a few tables in it. mondays.
19:22 < impl> :(
19:28 < riddL3r> a
19:29 < v-dogg> um... I don't think that Sean Kerr is the fellow behind Mojavi :)
19:29 < impl> v-dogg: he is, but not that Sean Kerr :P
19:29 < impl> oh, yeah
19:29 < impl> missed that 'that' in your line
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19:38  * _cheerios headbangs to Black Keys - I Got Mine, that's a powerful sound they have!
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19:50 < _cheerios> btw. anyone know how to apt-get apache2 without mysql taggin' along?
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19:53 < asonge> that's just libmysql, isn't it?
19:54 < _cheerios> The following NEW packages will be installed:: apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-common libaprutil1 libmysqlclient15off mysql-common
19:54 < _cheerios> i don't need the last two at all
19:56 < asonge> i don't see it listed as a requirement for apache2-mpm-prefork
19:56 < _cheerios> its not, but there it is
19:58 < asonge> i don't get prompted for mysql....hrm..
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20:06 < _cheerios> ah, apache2 depends on libaprutil1 which depends on libmysqlclient which depends...
20:07 < saracen> god: <3
20:07 < _cheerios> i built mysql meself, but its not installed as a separate package, thus apt-get doesn't see it
20:07 < _cheerios> (the libmysqlclient part)
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20:09 < _cheerios> when building mysql from source, how do you separate into three packages: mysql + mysql-common + libmysqlclient ?
20:09 < saracen> you install lighttpd instead :P
20:10 < _cheerios> i need apache2 for svn
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20:12 < _cheerios> likely solved by building apache2 from source too, as i get to point it at the mysql installation
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20:48 < _cheerios> heh. people get really happy when your free service gives free customer service on top of that.
20:56 < riddL3r> exit
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21:05 < _cheerios> odd php 5.2.6 behaviour, it can't find a method in my class even when its there, depending on where i call the method.
21:05 < _cheerios> time to upgrade local machine...
21:13 < E_mE> wow openX is quite yucky code :S
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21:22 < _cheerios> whiner!
21:27 < E_mE> poek _cheerios eye with some optcode
21:28 < E_mE> try and decode that out of your eye juice ;)
21:29 < Wombert> v-dogg: err
21:29 < Wombert> v-dogg: poke
21:31 < Wombert> ah, right
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21:39 < CIA-57> david * r3907 /branches/1.0/CHANGELOG: ticket title fix, refs #1057
21:48 < CIA-57> david * r3908 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/vendor/): Updated PHPUnit to 3.4.0beta1, closes #1058
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23:07 < graste> .
23:08 < OxC2D> ..
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02:55 < v-dogg> huomenta
02:57 < OxC2D> huomenta sir
03:19 < OxC2D> hey impllllll
03:20 < impl> OxC2D: what you want
03:20 < OxC2D> :P efnet
03:20 < OxC2D> or answer here
03:20 < OxC2D> that would make more sense
03:20 < OxC2D> (reply) but what do I gain?
03:21 < OxC2D> nobody said you were wrong
03:21 < OxC2D> just wonderin
03:21 < impl> first route in: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/config/routing.xml
03:21 < impl> example callback: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/lib/routing/AgaviSampleAppLanguageRoutingCallback.class.php
03:21 < OxC2D> yeah, I was studying that
03:24 < OxC2D> impl: Im just trying to figure out how I want to handle this. I want username.mysite.com to direct to the profile, but, I think if they do anything further, it should just go to http://mysite.com no?
03:25 < impl> Oh, I dunno.
03:25 < impl> I was assuming you were going to have sub-actions within each profile
03:25 < OxC2D> well, im not sure... :P
03:25 < OxC2D> I think well wait
03:25 < OxC2D> nevermind.
03:26 < impl> okay. :P
03:26 < OxC2D> Im just going to mod_rewrite it to /profile/username
03:26 < OxC2D> :|
03:27 < v-dogg> should be easily doable with agavi's routing
03:27 < OxC2D> Yeah, but im not sure how nicely it will play...
03:27 < impl> v-dogg: He has it working with the routing
03:27 < OxC2D> I guess it should just work as if I went to the main site, but show my profile on / instead of the homepage
03:27 < OxC2D> impl: no i dont ;)
03:28 < impl> you had it working last night
03:28 < OxC2D> well, kinda.
03:28 < OxC2D> i guess so actually
03:28 < OxC2D> I completely forgot about that :P
03:28 < impl> ...
03:28 < OxC2D> O_O
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03:35 < OxC2D> holy cow!
03:35 < OxC2D> it... worked!
03:35 < impl> I don't understand how you can constantly be surprised by things working correctly
03:36 < OxC2D> lol it usually doesnt happen... :P
03:37 < OxC2D> I usually play for 3 hours then FINALLY ... Like in agavi, I just do something on my way to a solution, and it just worked... and im like 'wow.. .hmmm'
03:37 < OxC2D> but, problem: http://kevin.made-me-lol.com/
03:37 < impl> uhm
03:37 < impl> did you delete your Default/lib/view/lolbookDefaultBaseView.class.php?
03:38 < OxC2D> nooooope
03:38 < OxC2D> im in a 'new Module'
03:38 < impl> or Default/config/autoload.xml
03:38 < impl> new module?
03:38 < OxC2D> yep
03:38 < impl> that you created using `agavi module-create`?
03:38 < OxC2D> I think I found a module generation bug maybe?
03:38 < OxC2D> module-wizard
03:38 < impl> No
03:39 < impl> Well, that invokes module-create
03:39 < OxC2D> ;)
03:39 < OxC2D> But...
03:39 < impl> Do you have the files I mentioned?
03:39 < OxC2D> Yep
03:39 < OxC2D> but they are Lolbook not lolbook
03:40 < impl> PHP class names aren't case sensitive
03:40 < OxC2D> but the filenames are...
03:40 < impl> oh.
03:40 < impl> true.
03:40 < OxC2D> yeah, capitalizing it fixed it
03:40 < OxC2D> :|
03:40 < OxC2D> why was it working before?
03:40 < impl> in your project, does the build.properties have project.name = lolbook?
03:41 < impl> er
03:41 < OxC2D> project.name=lolbook
03:41 < OxC2D> project.prefix=Lolbook
03:41 < impl> project.prefix rather
03:41 < impl> hmm
03:41 < impl> that's correct
03:41 < OxC2D> Yeah, weird.
03:42 < impl> Does anything else have it not capitalized?
03:42 < OxC2D> Why... its weird. I didnt change anything in the default module.
03:42 < OxC2D> hmm
03:43 < OxC2D> only one other one
03:43 < impl> which?
03:44 < OxC2D> MenuLoggedInView.class.php
03:44 < OxC2D> none of those were script-generated...
03:44 < OxC2D> :) It works tho... http://impl.made-me-lol.com/
03:44 < impl> Then you typed it wrong
03:44 < impl> ...
03:44 < OxC2D> :P
03:44 < impl> Jesus Christ.
03:44 < OxC2D> dont worry, i didnt make you an account... its just... anything you want right now
03:45 < OxC2D> :P
03:45 < OxC2D> Jesus christ what?
03:45 < impl> You typed the class name wrong and then said it was a bug in Agavi
03:46 < impl> :<
03:47 < OxC2D> lol no..
03:47 < OxC2D> It freaking _WORKED_ before
03:47 < OxC2D> and all of a sudden it stopped
03:47 < OxC2D> After I ran your module generation script...
03:47 < OxC2D> So, 1+1 == 2 right? Not in this case, but... ;)
03:47 < impl> Because you typed the name of the class wrong.
03:47 < OxC2D> I didnt!
03:47 < OxC2D> I didnt change ittttt
03:48 < impl> Look
03:48 < impl> Having written the entire project configuration system
03:48 < impl> I can say that I didn't have the time to go through already-written files
03:48 < impl> and tokenize them
03:48 < impl> and then lowercase the first letter in random class names
03:48 < OxC2D> lol
03:48 < impl> that aren't even related to what I'm currently doing
03:49 < OxC2D> i see that.
03:49 < OxC2D> Im just saying, something weird happened.
03:49 < OxC2D> Thats all im saying ;)
03:49 < impl> kay
03:49 < OxC2D> by the way, nice configuration system ;)
03:49 < impl> Thanks, I hate it
03:49 < OxC2D> lol
03:49 < OxC2D> why?
03:49 < impl> Internally it's awful to work with
03:49 < impl> The core is a 1500-line XML file
03:50 < impl> this is supplemented by 3000 lines of PHP code that the XML file interacts with
03:50 < OxC2D> -_-
03:50 < OxC2D> eeew
03:50 < OxC2D> See, Agavi is less 'programming' and more 'configuration' ;)
03:50 < impl> Although, I must say, I'm proud of it
03:50 < impl> it's highly flexible
03:50 < OxC2D> yep it is
03:50 < OxC2D> and it works ;)
03:51 < impl> You can add your own targets so you can run agavi my-project-do-something
03:51 < impl> and it knows what to do
03:51 < impl> and you can add hooks for every task, target, and log message
03:51 < impl> entry and exit
03:55 < OxC2D> :|
03:55 < OxC2D> wow.
03:55 < OxC2D> But, hey dude. Got a Question again ;)
03:55 < OxC2D> is agavi messing with my 'stuff'? :P I have $user = User::getByUsername($rd->getParameter('username')); and i can print_r($user) just fine.
03:56 < OxC2D> and the ID is there, but if I call $u->getStatus() , echoing $this->id in getStatus produces nothing
03:56 < OxC2D> god, this is odd
03:56 < OxC2D> I can even print_r($this) and I get everything, but $this->id produces nothing
03:57 < OxC2D> oh duh
04:24 < OxC2D> heh nvm
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06:34 < v-dogg> http://i.gizmodo.com/5166798/24-solid-state-drives-open-all-of-microsoft-office-in-5-seconds
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07:43 < fholmstrom> MikeSeth you heathen
07:44 < MikeSeth> ahahahaha you be trollin
07:44 < fholmstrom> ye
07:44 < fholmstrom> ;>
07:44 < fholmstrom> boored + sick
07:44 < MikeSeth> well i get to install another debian machine
07:44 < MikeSeth> ;P
07:44 < fholmstrom> !
07:45 < fholmstrom> Im a windows faggot now a days
07:45 < fholmstrom> spent the last 8 months knee deep in C# and .NET
07:45 < fholmstrom> realized I love it
07:45 < MikeSeth> .NET is good
07:45 < um> MikeSeth: (net takes no arguments) -- Returns some interesting network-related statistics.
07:45 < MikeSeth> wat
07:45 < fholmstrom> ;D
07:45 < fholmstrom> .NET is awesome
07:45 < um> fholmstrom: (net takes no arguments) -- Returns some interesting network-related statistics.
07:46 < MikeSeth> ??
07:46 < fholmstrom> wtf is the bot dooing
07:46 < MikeSeth> dunno it isn't yours is it?
07:46 < v-dogg> what it has been doing since 2006 - nothing useful
07:46 < fholmstrom> MikeSeth: no
07:47 < v-dogg> seriously, it um has been here as long as I have
07:47 < impl> um: fuck you
07:47 < v-dogg> -it
07:47 < MikeSeth> .wat
07:47 < impl> I don't even know who runs um
07:47 < fholmstrom> agavi 1.0 stable out yet?
07:47 < MikeSeth> fholmstrom: O YA
07:47 < v-dogg> no-one does
07:47 < impl> fholmstrom: yep, two weeks ago :D
07:47 < fholmstrom> gratz
07:47 < impl> I think Bob or Mike (the original Mike) does
07:47 < impl> and it's just... been here
07:47 < fholmstrom> lol
07:48 < impl> &thx
07:48 < MikeSeth> and now its here to teach us about the wonders of microsogt
07:48 < fholmstrom> we got a php project comming up at work, think im going to use agavi for it
07:48 < fholmstrom> client is cheap and refuses to pay up the 100 grand for the CMS we use ;P
07:48 < impl> lol
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08:03 < MikeSeth> fholmstrom: oooh I see what you did there ;P
08:04 < fholmstrom> MikeSeth: i didnt do anything?
08:04 < fholmstrom> :(
08:04 < MikeSeth> ;P
08:04 < fholmstrom> (I honestly dont understand)
08:05 < MikeSeth> dunno im just being stupid
08:05 < MikeSeth> http://wepump.in/music/
08:05 < MikeSeth> ;P
08:07 < fholmstrom> :P
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08:19 < horros> Huomenta.
08:19 < graste_> huomenta
08:20  * graste_ thinks horros begins work at the same time :p
08:20 < graste_> +to
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08:20 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:20  * v-dogg thinks graste_ keeps waiting for horros to show up
08:21  * graste_ unmasks as horros' stalker
08:21  * horros calls some very unfriendly blokes with lead pipes
08:22  * graste_ bribes them with a carton of beer
08:22 < horros> mmmm
08:22 < horros> beer
08:22 < v-dogg> mmmm
08:22 < v-dogg> thanks graste_, now we don't get anything done anymore...
08:23  * horros wipes some drool
08:23 < graste_> :<
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09:11 < _cheerios> would be tough to be back in Hki by 19.30 on 19.3; http://www.rekaksois.com/grandone/?sivu=gaala
09:12 < v-dogg> 1700 train
09:15 < _cheerios> would be great place to have an agavi t-shirt on, all the marketing + TV + bling bling folk are there
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09:19 < _cheerios> v-dogg, ace, will be a fun day
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09:40 < v-dogg> _cheerios: that means you're coming to agile day?
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09:41 < _cheerios> yeah. just wondering if i should take the 0630 or 0730 train to be at turku @ 09 or 10
09:42 < E_mE> huomenta
09:44 < macen> huomenta
09:45 < macen> if you are in the UK (turku??) take the earlier one every time...
09:45 < macen> we are known for bad trains aren't we E_mE 
09:46 < macen> if i hear about 1 more train being late, or some other problem with trains, i may write a letter :x
09:46 < macen> DON'T THEY KNOW THEY ARE ALWAYS LATE
09:46 < macen> lols
09:47 < macen> Solution: spend money on the trains to get them running on faster lines
09:47 < macen> Government: no feck off
09:47 < macen> Banking crisis: we need 100x what the trains need
09:48 < macen> Government: ok
09:48 < macen> killdiekill 
09:51 < macen> I'm sure E_mE will claim with his genius Radio 4 tuned mind that i'm over simplifying a very complex problem
09:52 < macen> i've given up on all the UK media ...for now... they are inane stupid people paid far too much money to not tell us what is actually happening
09:52 < macen> very annoying.
09:52 < macen> anyway.
09:52 < MikeSeth> macen: socialism IS a complex problem
09:54 < macen> yeah, sure, but why tell us all the time "trains are late" ....i don't think there is one person in the entire UK that doesn't know this alrady 
09:54 < macen> so stfu ta
09:54 < macen> mister announcer 
09:55 < graste_> tourists!
09:56 < macen> doh
09:56 < macen> hand out leaflets at immigration just explaining that when you book a train, it will never arrive
09:56 < macen> lol
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09:57 < graste_> nobody will read that
09:58 < graste_> and it's too late to do something anyways
09:58 < graste_> <:
10:02  * macen goes to write a letter :>
10:02  * macen Dear Sirs,
10:03 < macen> RE: Repeat Advertising of late train service
10:03 < macen> etc.
10:03 < macen> heh
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10:37 < MikeSeth> hahahaha
10:37 < MikeSeth> announcer
10:38 < MikeSeth> it should play tf2 sounds when trains are late
10:38 < MikeSeth> "YOU FAIL. STALEMATE."
11:03 < graste_> anyone tried some automatic fragment cache testing? any ideas? what to test and what not to test? how to do it? etc. pp.
11:04 < macen> tut...TF2 meik
11:05 < macen> back to real world now kek
11:09 < horros> I'm bored.
11:09 < horros> Writing forms, validators, insert/update/remove, display 
11:09 < horros> bleh
11:09 < horros> boooooooooooriiiiiing
11:09 < horros> :x
11:12 < graste_> write yourself some kind of generator and donate it to teh community :p
11:18 < macen> this is my life goal
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11:19 < macen> so far, the requirements are quite lax, it needs an additional lib folder but also a module
11:21 < macen> http://paste2.org/p/161801
11:21 < macen> is about 30% there
11:22 < macen> still needs to be able to be based on an ORM model, rather than being built through the add method
11:22 < macen> and also output agavi validation.xml
11:23 < macen> there are other things, like, what about multi page forms, but it is quite extensible so adding this would basically be a case of adding another layer just like the fieldsets 
11:23 < macen> i'm pleased with it so far
11:23 < macen> and am hoping it is not fundamentally wrong in some way...
11:25 < horros> Ok, now what the hell am I doing wrong?
11:25 < horros> I have a route, set output_type="xml" cut="true" 
11:25 < horros> but it's still executing executeHtml() in the view
11:25 < horros> :|
11:32 < graste_> route's not matching because it's not at the top of routing.xml?
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11:51 < malax> Huomenta everyone.
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12:48 < Wombert> v-dogg: poel
12:48 < v-dogg> hai hou
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12:54 < graste_> .
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13:02 < _cheerios> merge. conflict. conflict. conflict. conflict. \o/
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13:12 < MrJeep> morning
13:13 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: MUSHROOM MUSHROOM
13:16 < MrJeep> huh
13:17 < _cheerios> MikeSeth; if things weren't band enough, there's a video of me and my beatles hair circulating the internet :)
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13:28 < malax> is there a way to provide a port number to $ro->gen() like 'hostname'?
13:28 < malax> s/like 'hostname'/like the 'hostname' parameter
13:29 < saracen> yes
13:30 < saracen> 3rd param of gen() is $options
13:30 < saracen> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/routing/AgaviWebRouting.class.php#L58
13:31 < saracen> Theres whats supported. for example: ->gen('yes.no', array(), array('port' => 1337)) 
13:31 < malax> saracen, outch. Havn't seen this handy list while scrolling throu the sourcecode.
13:32 < malax> thanks a lot
13:32 < saracen> no problem :)
13:33 < saracen> god: ?
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13:49 < Wombert> mm
13:50 < asonge> hello thar
13:51 < MikeSeth> ohaiz
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14:56 < god> saracen: yes?
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16:13 < CIA-57> david * r3909 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php): Fix #1060: Form Population Filter inserts markup container for validation errors even if there are no messages to insert
16:15 < CIA-57> david * r3910 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php): merge [3909/branches/0.11], refs #1060
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16:37 < CIA-57> david * r3911 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/config/AgaviWsdlConfigHandler.class.php): Closed #1061: Generated WSDLs should not have namespace attribute on soap:body elements if service is document/literal
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17:03 < MrJeep> why is there so many regression in the routing lately ?
17:03 < MrJeep> if someone feels to explain :P
17:05 < Wombert> because it was rewritten
17:05 < CIA-57> david * r3913 /trunk/ (1499 files in 197 dirs): merge [2658:3912/branches/1.0], this gets trunk in sync with 1.0
17:06 < v-dogg> umhmmp.
17:07 < v-dogg> calendar events are such a pain to work with
17:08  * Wombert stabs graste_ 
17:08 < Wombert> enter your email address in tickets!
17:08 < Wombert> it won't be shown publicly
17:08 < graste_> :>
17:08 < Wombert> only to admins
17:08 < Wombert> but now I changed your ticket
17:08 < Wombert> and you'll never notice
17:08 < graste_> moep
17:09 < v-dogg> to print a calendar should I loop thru the events and add reserved dates to some calendar structure, OR iterate over days and build some "is_this_day_reserved" query mechanism
17:11 < CIA-57> david * r3914 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php): Allow configuration directives as caching group values, closes #1059
17:11 < Wombert> v-dogg: the former
17:11 < Wombert> more efficient I guess
17:11 < Wombert> although when updating
17:12 < Wombert> you have to query that info eventually
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17:12 < Wombert> eremit! still alive!
17:12 < eremit> Wombert, lol ... just thought about you today :D 
17:13 < Wombert> MUST BE FATE
17:13 < saracen> I think about Wombert every day
17:13 < saracen> well, nights, really
17:13 < macen> bye guise
17:13 < macen> :x
17:13 < eremit> Read the Agavi article in the php magazine :-)
17:13 < saracen> macen: Die painfully
17:14 < Wombert> eremit: damn the buggers didnt send me a copy
17:14 < asonge> Wombert: they need subscribers, i guess
17:14 < saracen> was this article in german? =(
17:14 < eremit> Yes it was ... 
17:14 < Wombert> and it doesnt hit newsstands until tomorrow
17:14 < eremit> Wombert, should I send you a copy? 
17:14 < Wombert> nah that's fine I'll pick one up tomorrow
17:15 < saracen> somebody translate it =(
17:16 < graste_> shrink0r sends greetings to Wombert
17:17 < Wombert> thanks graste_ 
17:17 < Wombert> hug him for me
17:17 < Wombert> you know, graste_ 
17:17 < Wombert> every time he comes here
17:17 < graste_> shrink0r yelled 'no' and ran away
17:17 < Wombert> I feel kinda sorr
17:17 < Wombert> y
17:17 < Wombert> cause one day
17:17 < Wombert> it was a really bad one (for me)
17:17 < Wombert> I join IRC
17:18 < Wombert> and he's like "hi wombert"
17:18 < Wombert> and I was like "wtf are you kidding I hope you weren't waiting for *me* to turn up and answer your question all day"
17:18 < Wombert> and he went "no I just wanted to say hi"
17:18 < graste_> :)
17:18 < Wombert> so I yelled at him, and he was just trying to be nice
17:18 < Wombert> so, hug him for me, please
17:19 < Wombert> actually, he was *being* nice, not just trying
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17:22 < _cheerios> puuh
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17:30 < saracen> http://www.agavi.org/irclogs/agavi-200810.log
17:30 < saracen> "14:16 < shrink0r> hi Wombert
17:31 < saracen> I had nothing better to do.
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17:59 < _cheerios> anyone here installed Adobe AIR on a server?
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18:18 < MrJeep> is there a link for the article in phpmagazine ?
18:20 < _cheerios> s3fox freezees ff3.0.7 on my homecomp. worked much better at work, iirc.
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20:31 < asonge> win 2
20:34 < graste> chelsea?
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23:14 < _cheerios> http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/pattie_maes_demos_the_sixth_sense.html finally watched this, deffo awesome
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00:51 < Ox40> huomenta
01:14 < Ox40> Hey, is there a way to show a View like... "IndexView" from "Signup Action" ??
01:17 < impl> return array('ViewName', 'ModuleName')
01:17 < Ox40> ;) thanks
01:17 < Ox40> just curious, im sure Ill encounter it some day
01:17 < impl> I'm pretty sure that behavior is documented in the template that every generated action comes with
01:17 < Ox40> O.o
01:18 < Ox40> haven't seen it. Maybe not looking close enough. But thanks anyways
01:21 < saracen> impl: Have you met Ox40? He's the new macen.
01:22 < Ox40> saracen: impl is my go-to-guy, if he likes it or not ;)
01:22 < saracen> Ox40: Yeah, it won't work.
01:22 < Ox40> what wont?
01:22 < saracen> impl: Of course that was a rhetorical question. I know you know him, I just needed a link between the two people so I can bash them twice.
01:23 < saracen> bash them both*
01:23 < saracen> Ox40: It won't work.
01:24 < Ox40> what WONT?!
01:24 < saracen> *it*
01:25 < Ox40> *oh*
01:25 < saracen> RTFMBIRYFO.
01:25 < saracen> I appended my own acronym: Before I Rip Your Face Off.
01:26 < Ox40> ah
01:26 < saracen> I think it's not self-explanatory.
01:26 < Ox40> er, *ah*
01:26 < saracen> now*
01:26 < saracen> *now*
01:26 < saracen> =)
01:26 < Ox40> :P
01:52 < Ox40> so. I added my validator to autoload.xml and use <validator class="usernameavailable"> and its failing hardcore
01:55 < asonge> Ox40: you need to put the entire classname in.
01:55 < asonge> lolbookusernameavailable
01:55 < Ox40> oh, why does email work tho?
01:56 < Ox40> or should I just rename it UsernameAvailable?
01:56 < asonge> there's shortcuts for the agavi validators
01:56 < Ox40> ah
02:05 < Ox40> So, same error. I dont have to add it to validators.xml do I? :P
02:09 < saracen> no
02:09 < saracen> whats the error?
02:09 < Ox40> <autoload name="LolbookUsernameAvailableValidator">%core.lib_dir%/validator/LolbookUsernameAvailableValidator.class.php</autoload>
02:09 < Ox40> unknown validator found: lolbookusernameavailable
02:10 < saracen> what happens if you put the entire classname in?
02:11 < Ox40> unknown validator found: lolbookusernameavailable
02:11 < saracen> what happens if you put the entire classname in?
02:11 < Ox40> er sorry, It didnt copy right
02:12 < Ox40> it was the same, but with 'validator'
02:12 < saracen> whats the classes name?
02:12 < saracen> its actual definition
02:12 < saracen> class LolbookUsernameAvailableValidator { } ?
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02:12 < Ox40> extends AgaviValidator yes
02:13 < saracen> and this is in app/config/autoload.xml?
02:13 < Ox40> yeah
02:13 < Ox40> hmm, app says the WHOLE class name with caps
02:13 < Ox40> s/app/sample app/
02:14 < Ox40> yeah, that did it I think
02:21 < Ox40> *headdesk* Well, ok. Its being called now. But, if I return 'true' wait...
02:22 < Ox40> Yeah, no matter what I return (true or false) the error message never shows
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02:39 < impl> you need to call $this->throwError()
02:41 < Ox40> ah-HA. See, thats not in the Validator example
02:41 < Ox40> There we go, perfect. Thanks man.
02:41 < Ox40> Now, can I use my validator in an action? I want to have my JS check if a username is available.
02:42 < Ox40> I know how to ajax it, but... I have to make an action using it first.
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04:45 < v-dogg> huomenta
04:45 < Ox40> huomenta sir
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06:17 < v-dogg> < Ox40> hmm, app says the WHOLE class name with caps
06:17 < v-dogg> where?
06:18 < impl> I accidentally the whole class name
06:18 < v-dogg> :p
06:18 < v-dogg> and
06:18 < v-dogg> < Ox40> ah-HA. See, thats not in the Validator example
06:18 < v-dogg> what example?
06:18 < v-dogg> it is in http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.0beta9/samples/app/lib/validator/AgaviSampleAppProductValidator.class.php
06:19 < impl> Probably the one in the tutorial
06:20 < v-dogg> ah. yeah.
06:20 < v-dogg> because the validator only sanitizes
06:20 < impl> ja
06:21 < v-dogg> want kaffe. now kthxbai
06:23 < impl> :P bai
06:31 < horros> Huomenta.
06:35 < v-dogg> huo-men-ta, sir!
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08:05 < horros> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=473197
08:05 < horros> Woo!
08:05 < horros> Progress on the bug we reported1
08:05 < horros> -1 +!
08:07 < Wombert> Right now I don't have a good idea how to solve this for both failure scenarios.
08:08 < Wombert> they could switch back and forth
08:08 < Wombert> TLS, SSL, TLS, SSL and so forth
08:08 < horros> This bug was driving us completely bonkers.
08:08 < horros> We have a server that has, oooh, about 3000-or-so users
08:08 < horros> and every now and then someone would call and complain they can't connect
08:08 < Wombert> gotta head to ze office nao
08:09 < Wombert> btw horros 
08:09 < horros> and we just couldn't find ANYTHING in the server logs and we couldn't reproduce it on our own computers.
08:09 < Wombert> For your convenience, we have set up a test site requiring client
08:09 < Wombert> authentication on https://www.wompat.fi.
08:09 < Wombert> a) thanks for loving wombat
08:09 < Wombert> b) you finns are such friendly people
08:10 < Wombert> c) if all OSS users were finns, all bugs would be fixed by now \o/
08:10 < Wombert> hugs horros 
08:10 < Wombert> hugs finland
08:10  * Wombert uses /me
08:10 < horros> :D
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08:35 < _cheerios> huomenta
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09:26 < graste_> huomenta
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09:30 < Wombert> nom
09:32 < macen> huomenta 
09:33 < macen> back to non-agavi related projects :/
09:33 < macen> stupid $customer
09:34 < MikeSeth> Wombert: you know, I agree about the finns
09:34 < MikeSeth> finnish contribution to internet technologies is fundamental
09:35 < v-dogg> sorry about Linux, though ;)
09:35 < MikeSeth> hahahaha
09:36 < graste_> <:
09:42 < horros> :D
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09:48 < E_mE> huomenta
09:50 < MikeSeth> huomenta!
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10:06 < macen> link to article?
10:06 < Wombert> ...
10:06 < Wombert> it's a magazine
10:06 < Wombert> you pay money to buy it
10:06 < graste_> that's so last century
10:06 < graste_> :)
10:07 < macen> ehh this does not compute
10:09 < macen> glad to hear things are happening. :)
10:10 < macen> scan it etc
10:10 < macen> or smthn 
10:10 < macen> lol
10:10 < macen> omg, had niece over other day who is 4 months with new mother
10:10 < macen> bought one of those digital printer things
10:11 < macen> simply omg no
10:11 < macen> i think there was a problem with the conversion of the colour profiles or something in the images
10:11 < macen> because on borderless printing they were green
10:11 < macen> just fail
10:12 < MikeSeth>  http://lists.ethernal.org/oldarchives/cantlug-0211/msg00174.html
10:12 < MikeSeth> READ THIS
10:14 < Wombert> MikeSeth: wait so
10:14 < Wombert> this is peer programming
10:14 < Wombert> but with just one programmer to pay
10:14 < Wombert> genius
10:15 < MikeSeth> and I do have a ducky! 
10:15 < horros> http://www.businessinsider.com/unsold-cars-around-the-world-2009-2
10:15 < horros> :O
10:17 < Seldaek> yeah I thought about buying a human-model from a cloth shop for that purpose
10:18 < Seldaek> just have it sit there for when you need help
10:18 < _cheerios> horros, same here in finland in that one pic of the peers i saw :)
10:19 < Wombert> horros: imma take one of them Jag XFs if nobody wants them
10:30 < horros> Wombert: Me too!
10:30 < horros> Hell, I could even shell out a few hundred bucks.
10:32 < v-dogg> aren't you generous
10:32  * horros grumbles at Google Maps
10:33 < horros> How bloody hard can it be to change the colour of a GPolyline when clicked?!
10:33  * horros curses and throws random objects around
10:34 < horros> Wombert: Oh dear, ze germans shooting about :(
10:34 < graste_> MikeSeth	http://lists.ethernal.org/oldarchives/cantlug-0211/msg00174.html
10:34 < graste_> like it
10:34 < graste_> ^^
10:34  * graste_ searches for a rubber duck
10:34 < horros> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7936817.stm
10:34 < horros> :(
10:35 < graste_> "Police say the gunman, who was reported to have been wearing black combat gear, has fled into the town."
10:40 < graste_> I'm still waiting for the first non-male gunman that doesn't wear black, listens to good classical music instead of norwegian black metal, goes to church every sunday, eats solely healthy food, isn't member of a gun club and only plays educational games in his spare time (after the voluntary service in multiple organizations, that is) - just to see what reason they make up in the media for the shooting then...
10:41 < graste_> stereotypes ftw
10:41 < MikeSeth> graste_: in short you wanna watch Noir
10:41 < graste_> some sort of film noir called "Noir"?
10:42 < horros> lol, Panarin says the US will fall apart and have a new civil war next year :D
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10:43 < graste_> north vs. south again? or hiphop-style west vs. east coast?
10:49 < horros> Both, actually.
10:49 < horros> He says the US will split into six separate parts.
10:49 < graste_> i c
10:50 < MikeSeth> graste_: no, anime
10:50 < MikeSeth> about two girl assassins
10:51 < graste_> :x
11:31 < _cheerios> http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200904/finland
11:34 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, the "Noir" one?
11:35 < _cheerios> ah, you mentioned the name. nm.
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12:49 < horros> hah
12:49 < horros> I was pondering what the hell was going on when $ro->gen() seemed to generate an URL to just the domain
12:50 < horros> I figure it'll work better if I actually echo out the results onto the page too.
12:50 < horros> :x
12:50 < horros> Time for kaffe it seems.
12:52 < v-dogg> this happens to me at least once a week :)
12:52 < v-dogg> <?php somefunction(); ?>
12:53 < v-dogg> without echo
12:53 < horros> mmh
12:53 < horros> I just did that.
12:53 < horros> <a href="<?php $ro->gen('smegface'); ?>">blah</a>
12:53 < horros> :x
12:55 < fholmstrom> I just got my own office!
12:55 < fholmstrom> ah yeah.
12:55 < fholmstrom> *aw yeah
12:56 < _cheerios> use smarty in your templates smegfaces :p
12:57 < Seldaek> dwoo :P
12:57 < Seldaek> but yeah, it helps not forgetting echo, if you're not gonna use short tags, php templates are painful to write imo
12:58 < _cheerios> been watching smarty3 progress. i hope they finish it in upcoming months. all i need is array() support!
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13:12 < Seldaek> didn't look at that in a while
13:12 < Seldaek> where is it?
13:16 < _cheerios> http://groups.google.com/group/smarty-developers
13:16 < _cheerios> trying to get support for it http://groups.google.com/group/smarty-developers/browse_thread/thread/705e64e7753b26a2 to get $ro->gen() cleaned in templates
13:17 < _cheerios> seems posting to the group takes ages for the posts to show up
13:19 < Seldaek> well
13:20 < Seldaek> my dwoo plugin for urls is like: {url routeName param=val param2=val} 
13:21 < Seldaek> and it even can do {url routeName param param2} 
13:21 < Seldaek> in which case it goes fetch param from $rd
13:21 < Seldaek> and re-injects into $ro
13:21 < Seldaek> very convenient, screw arrays
13:21 < v-dogg> how about options?
13:21 < _cheerios> Seldaek, http://paste.servut.us/suu6 trying to get that bloat fixed
13:22 < Seldaek> well I never needed any v-dogg, but in that one case where you need custom things, you can always {$ro->gen('route', array(blah ..), optionsblah)}
13:22 < horros> I've needed some v-dogg every now and then.
13:22  * horros sniggers
13:23 < Seldaek> tss:p
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13:24 < Seldaek> _cheerios: yeah that looks like crap indeed, example #1 for me would be: {a url('profile.user', username=$us->getAttribute('username')); $us->getAttribute('username') /}
13:25 < Seldaek> or rather just $us->username, but that's not depending on the template layer
13:38 < _cheerios> yeah, some template friendlier access-setups rather than pita-javaish getAttribute() calls could be in place, havent gone that far yet in my projects
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13:57  * Wombert stabs his prio queue impl
13:58 < horros> hmm
13:58 < horros> k
13:58 < horros> this is tricky.
13:58  * horros scratches his head
13:58 < horros> I get stuff from JS that I need to pass to a route :|
13:59 < horros> perhaps I can do something like $ro->gen('bleh');?>/jsvar1/jsvar2
13:59  * horros tries
14:00 < asonge> horros: you can always stick it on the query string
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14:01 < horros> Yes, that's what I'm attempting :)
14:03 < v-dogg> then why not let ro->gen() do that?
14:04 < asonge> v-dogg: how? if you want to throw stuff in from client-land.
14:05  * asonge hrms for a second and thinks of $ro->gen being "exported" into a js file
14:05 < horros> v-dogg: Yeah, how'd I do that?
14:05 < asonge> Route.gen('foo', {id: id});
14:05 < asonge> horros: yeah, it's ugly
14:05 < horros> v-dogg: as I get the js variables from, well, javascript.
14:06 < v-dogg> but but but
14:06 < asonge> horros: you could generate placeholders and replace them
14:06 < asonge> but eh
14:06 < v-dogg> so you didn't mean $ro->gen('bleh');?>/ literally?
14:06 < horros> asonge: What possible advantage would that have?
14:06 < asonge> v-dogg: you'd need to generate part of it
14:06 < v-dogg> because $ro looks a lot like PHP to me 
14:07 < asonge> v-dogg: no, he did mean '<?$ro->get('bleh');?>/'+jsvar+'/'+jsvar;
14:07 < asonge> but i was talking about possibly exporting the routes as a giant js array and having a lib for this, lol
14:07 < horros> mm, yes, precisely.
14:08 < horros> map.openInfoWindowHtml(latlng, '<a href="<?php echo $ro->gen('smeg');?>/' + jsvar1 + '/' + jsvar2 + '">Blah</a>");
14:09 < v-dogg> I still don't get it :)
14:09 < horros> What do you not get?
14:09 < v-dogg> is is that parsed by PHP?
14:09 < asonge> you don't generate links from js-land?
14:09 < asonge> the <?php part is.
14:09 < horros> That's generated in a lambda function after an onClick() 
14:10 < v-dogg> oh ok
14:11 < horros> see: GEvent.addListener(map, "click", function (overlay, latlng, overlaylatlng) { lat = latlng.lat(); lng = latlng.lng(); map.openInfoWindowHtml(latlng, '<a href ......>'); });
14:11 < v-dogg> yup yup
14:11 < horros> And I need to pass the coordinates of the click to an action
14:14 < horros> Now to figure out the route :D
14:15 < asonge> i wonder how hard it would be to serialize the routing to json and make a json lib to do routing
14:16 < horros> Or use AJAX to get $ro->gen() to generate the route and then spit it out in a nice XML-format!
14:16  * horros sniggers
14:16 < asonge> ugh
14:17 < horros> Hmm.
14:17 < horros> I can't seem to get this route right.
14:23 < horros> I seem to be retarded.
14:23 < horros> :(
14:24 < Wombert> wat?
14:24 < Wombert> coordinates of a click
14:24 < Wombert> sounds like get params to me :)
14:25 < horros> What's this now!
14:25 < horros> :x
14:25 < horros> pattern="/smegface/{lat:\d+(\.\d+)?}/{lng:\d+(\.\d+)?})?$"
14:26 < horros> $ro->gen('smegface', array('lat'=>14.2314, 'lng'=>116.4593)); seems to generate "/smegface/116.4593?lat=14.2314"
14:26 < horros> I r stupid :(
14:27 < horros> errm
14:27 < horros> pattern="/smegface(/{lat:\d+(\.\d+)?}/{lng:\d+(\.\d+)?})?$" even
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14:33 < horros> Ok, I seem to be able to have both of the arguments optional
14:33 < horros> but I can't get it to generate either /smegface OR /smegface/nn.nnn/nn.nnn
14:33 < horros> ie. don't accept /smegface/nn.nnn
14:34 < horros> GAH
14:34 < horros> ¤%()%=&(/
14:35 < v-dogg> hmm...
14:35 < v-dogg> I have a similar case, I think
14:35 < v-dogg> lemme check it
14:35 < horros> pattern="/smegface(/{lat:\d+(\.\d+)?})(/{lng:\d+(\.\d+)?})$"
14:36 < v-dogg> ok, mine is not like that
14:36 < v-dogg> pattern="^/({covecomid:\d+})?(;{covid:\d+})?"
14:36 < horros> that works, in as much as if I give BOTH it works, if I give either it works...
14:36 < horros> but now the route doesn't work if I don't have any parameters
14:37 < v-dogg> hmm..
14:37 < horros> if I try to wrap both the lat: and lng: subpatterns in parenthesis and chucking a ? at the end, I get a "unmached parenthesis" error from preg_match 
14:37 < horros> which is a bit baffling to be honest.
14:38 < horros> that is 
14:38 < horros> pattern="/smegface((/{lat:\d+(\.\d+)?})(/{lng:\d+(\.\d+)?}))?$"
14:38 < horros> gives me Warning: preg_match() [function.preg-match]: Compilation failed: unmatched parentheses at offset 36 in C:\Projects\agavi-1.0.0\src\routing\AgaviRouting.class.php on line 1503
14:38 < v-dogg> my pattern actually does what you want except you want that optional / in the beginning
14:39 < v-dogg> so, just drop it and be done with it :)
14:39 < horros> v-dogg: Doesn't your pattern actually work if you do $ro->gen('blah', array('covid'=>4)); ?
14:39 < v-dogg> yes
14:39 < horros> so what happens to covecomid then?
14:40 < v-dogg> foo/;4
14:40 < horros> I don't want the route to match if either of the parameters aren't there
14:40 < v-dogg> ah, of course
14:40 < horros> so to reiterate
14:40 < v-dogg> erase and rewind
14:40 < horros>  /smeg should match
14:40 < horros>  /smeg/nn.nnn/nn.nnn should match
14:40 < horros>  /smeg/nn.nnn should NOT match.
14:41 < horros> :)
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14:52 < horros> damnit!
14:52 < v-dogg> word
14:53 < v-dogg> I can't get FPF to re-populate after a forward
14:53 < horros> This can't be *this* hard :|
14:53 < v-dogg> Wombert: Ze Finns need you!
14:53 < v-dogg> we have given and given
14:53 < v-dogg> now we need something back
14:54 < horros> :D
14:54 < digitarald|> vodka?
14:57 < saracen>  // make concrecte adapter connect
14:58 < saracen> I wonder what Wombert was trying to say there.
14:59 < v-dogg> concrete adapters are used to plug in different kind of cement blocks into Agavi
14:59 < horros> hahaha
14:59 < v-dogg> see, agavi doesn't lock you in!
14:59 < horros> v-dogg: Does it work with siporex too?
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15:00 < v-dogg> horros: of course
15:00 < horros> Brilliant!
15:00 < saracen> Ah, so it was suppose to be concrete =)
15:00 < horros> v-dogg: This is for building modular houses, yes?
15:01 < horros> <route name="backdoor" />
15:01 < Wombert> where is that
15:01 < v-dogg> could be. but also bridges and space stations. agavi doesn't make assumtions
15:01 < v-dogg> assumptions
15:01 < Wombert> I need to go for a walk and grab caek
15:01 < horros> v-dogg: True, but I don't think sending concrete blocks into space is a particularly good idea.
15:02 < v-dogg> I wouldn't know :)
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15:07 < HM2K> you guys should get listed at http://www.phpframeworks.com/add-a-php-frameworks/
15:07 < HM2K> it says to just email the guy
15:08 < v-dogg> maybe we don't want to :)
15:09 < v-dogg> mike could send them a mail telling they are criminals, though :p
15:10 < v-dogg> (all but _two_ say MVC :)
15:10 < HM2K> crimincals?
15:10 < HM2K> *criminals
15:10 < v-dogg> inside joke, nevermind :)
15:11 < Wombert> The comparison tables are crap
15:11 < Wombert> always
15:11 < Wombert> all of them
15:11 < Wombert> the ones I could come up with would be crap, too
15:11 < Wombert> because they're biased
15:11  * horros still giggles at MVC: ActiveRecord
15:11 < HM2K> yes, but it's best to be on them, than not at all
15:11 < Wombert> we deliberately don't ship an ORM, for instance
15:11 < Wombert> so that makes us look bad there
15:11 < Wombert> or does it not?
15:11 < Wombert> well it doesn't if it's explained properly, but...
15:11 < HM2K> it depends what people want
15:11 < Wombert> true
15:11 < Wombert> this: http://flow3.typo3.org/about/comparison/ for instance is an ass backwards comparison table
15:12 < Wombert> because I would argue that *no* framework needs a JSR-283 content repository
15:12 < HM2K> yes, but at least it's listed there
15:12 < Wombert> but that one's obviously biased ;)
15:12 < Wombert> "MVC w/ AJAX support"... etc
15:13 < horros> I like that typo3 thing
15:13 < horros> They have a green "CHECK" mark on "JSR-283 Content Repository"
15:13 < horros> yet if you hover over it it says "planned"
15:13 < horros> :D
15:14 < Wombert> the table is wrong because we have a bunch of these things
15:14 < Wombert> security, template, mvc+ajax (giggle)
15:14 < HM2K> php frameworks are making me hit my head against my keyboard... :/
15:14 < Wombert> but I can't be bothered to tell them to change it
15:14 < Wombert> because it only ends in a stupid argument over what a framework should do
15:14 < Wombert> and I don't feel like having that with another framework author
15:15 < Wombert> anyway
15:15 < Wombert> I really must grab caek nao
15:15 < Wombert> because it stopped snowing and the sun is there
15:15 < Wombert> this has been changing every fifteen or so minutes
15:15 < Wombert> hurry, I must
15:15  * Wombert &
15:17 < v-dogg> run, Forrest, run!
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15:17 < v-dogg> horros: yeah, that "MVC: ActiveRecord" got me smiling too :)
15:18 < asonge> lmfao, it says agavi supports scaffolding.
15:18 < asonge> it's flat out wrong just as much as it is biased
15:20 < v-dogg> dammit
15:20 < v-dogg> zis is not working the way I want!
15:20  * v-dogg slaps agavi
15:21 < v-dogg> and don't even try to repeat that infamous quote of yours, horros!
15:21 < horros> :D
15:22 < asonge> v-dogg: i'm sure it works just as it's coded
15:32 < v-dogg> time to commit & go hoem
15:33 < v-dogg> (and continue working there)
15:33 < v-dogg> good thing I work alone and can violate my "don't commit broken stuff" rule
15:34 < v-dogg> because I just did violate it. violently :p
15:36 < v-dogg> Wombert: when you are back and in a good mood for just having a caek, please tell me: can POST, forward to action B and have FPF to inject validation errors (from action B)
15:42 < Wombert> v-dogg: ummm
15:42 < Wombert> forward?
15:42 < Wombert> yes
15:44 < Wombert> v-dogg: http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/browse_thread/thread/9890cf5cf93d03f3#
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16:10 < CIA-57> saracen * r3915 /branches/1.0/src/ (55 files in 18 dirs): spelling corrections
16:21 < _cheerios> cool, the smarty3 syntax I used there in my example is how it'll work in smarty3!
16:21 < _cheerios> i just typed that in as an example :)
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16:24 < MrJeep> I've heard there is an article in php magazine about agavi
16:24 < MrJeep> is it available online ?
16:25 < Seldaek> no
16:25 < Seldaek> paper only, german only
16:25 < Seldaek> and it's not free
16:28 < MrJeep> :S
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16:29 < CIA-57> david * r3916 /branches/0.11/src/ (42 files in 15 dirs): merge [3915/branches/1.0]
16:56 < digitarald|> Seldaek: scan?
16:56 < digitarald|> mh, maybe they have a copy protection
17:05 < Ox40> what is smarty 3?
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18:15 < Rayne> i have a question which belongs the input validation an ae namespace. is it intended to mix "non-namespaced" and namespaced information inside the validation files (example: http://pastebin.com/m3584217b ) - or did i understand soemthing wrong (if i remove ae: from the <parameter> it breaks)
18:15 < Rayne> it is quite confusing when you have to mix these spaces
18:15 < Ox40> dont worry, I still havent figured it out ;)
18:19 < v-dogg> common agavi configuration elements like <parameter> and <configuration> (including plurals) 
18:22 < Rayne> v-dogg, did you write to me?
18:22 < v-dogg> both of you
18:22 < Rayne> i do not get what you want to say :/
18:23 < v-dogg> that those elements need to be in agavi envelope namespace
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18:26 < Rayne> v-dogg, what i do not get: "Backwards compatibility " - there is no backwards compatibility for those <parameter> tags?
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18:27 < v-dogg> Rayne: you mean 0.11 configs don't work anymore?
18:28 < Rayne> i think so (but i never used 0.11)
18:28 < v-dogg> they should but it requirest xsl php module as fas as I know
18:29 < v-dogg> I might remember incorrectly
18:30 < Rayne> v-dogg, what was the reason to introduce the ae namespace?
18:32 < v-dogg> one reason was xsd validation I think
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19:33 < _cheerios> jee
19:34 < graste> "Picked up new www.phpmag.de issue with my Agavi article in it! Little error though: CSV export URL is /products.csv not /products/csv" - wasn't the route pattern like ".csv$" and should match any character before 'csv'?
19:34 < graste> @ Wombert
19:35 < graste> read the article - pretty thourough tour de force through the feature set
19:35 < Wombert> no, it's outside the regex
19:35 < Wombert> err
19:35 < Wombert> its not in braces
19:35 < Wombert> so it will be escaped
19:35 < graste> okay :>
19:36 < digitarald> Wombert: will there be a copy on agavi.org? Or some hint for the fans to buy the mag?
19:36 < graste> you didn't advertise why agavi's better in your article :P
19:36 < v-dogg> Wombert: take a copy with you next week
19:36 < graste> digitarald: the quote above is the hint on agavi.org :D
19:36 < Wombert> digitarald: there is something on the front page, and I sent out emails
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19:36 < digitarald> oh, I'm always too late
19:37 < Wombert> and there won't be a copy, no... it's a magazine that you buy in stores :p for money :p
19:37 < Wombert> graste: I was told not to :)
19:37 < v-dogg> Wombert: I can then read it out loud in the evening in some pub :)
19:37 < Wombert> v-dogg: :D
19:37 < digitarald> Wombert: only for Germans ;) (and I'll not mention the war!)
19:37 < v-dogg> with a loud voice and doing hitler impersonations
19:38 < digitarald> "Engineered in Germany by Germans"
19:38 < graste> hehe
19:38 < _cheerios> he doesn't write docs, but he writes articles IN GERMAN, FOR PAY. what a business man.
19:38 < digitarald> "Featured in a German PHP-Mag"
19:39 < graste> _cheerios: I could try to translate it for money *whistle*
19:39 < graste> ^^
19:39 < digitarald> I would scan it to PDF for money
19:39 < graste> =)
19:40  * digitarald wonders why he is still in the office ...
19:41 < Wombert> graste: besides, I figured it would be obvious by the time the reader had finished :)
19:41 < _cheerios> i just got home. met some mates. had a beer :/ but now, 2hrs till midnight to code! \o/
19:41 < impl> glub glub glub
19:41 < graste> hehe, well
19:41 < impl> I need GSoC mentors!
19:42 < digitarald> I need a student ;)
19:42 < asonge> impl: where's my elephpants
19:42 < digitarald> ... implfor real?
19:42  * graste is no student anymore
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19:42 < impl> Well, yeah, we need mentors
19:42 < impl> asonge: Damien says they'll be sent out [to me] on Monday
19:42 < digitarald> add me, I love to be the smartass
19:43 < v-dogg> do mentors get loads of money?
19:43 < asonge> i hope they don't freeze trying to leave canada.
19:43 < impl> $500
19:43 < Wombert> no
19:43 < digitarald> and I use agavi since 0.1
19:43 < Wombert> but I'd like you to be one, v-dogg 
19:43 < digitarald> or 0.0
19:43 < Wombert> oh right, 500 bucks
19:43 < digitarald> ah ... good times
19:43 < graste> what do mentors do?
19:44 < impl> They help students on their projects
19:44 < digitarald> answer questions
19:44 < asonge> supavise
19:44 < digitarald> help planning
19:44 < digitarald> supavize, right
19:44 < asonge> aren't they also responsible for making sure that google isn't getting screwed?
19:44 < impl> To some extent
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19:44 < digitarald> impl: if you need somebody, I'd do it ... I can tell a bit about agavi and stuff, I have a degree in telling people about technical things
19:44 < asonge> (so many of the php GSoC projects were changed from their original purpose or the students flaked out)
19:45 < impl> digitarald: lawl
19:45 < impl> digitarald: okay, I'mma put you under maybe for now
19:45 < digitarald> that's so mean ... why is there a wanne-be section?
19:46 < digitarald> if you need somebody, I'd help the guy that chooses the forge project
19:46 < graste> !
19:46 < digitarald> I ... have ... "some experience"
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19:47 < digitarald> and its a simple project. I'll be in my old university next month, I can ask some students to apply
19:47 < impl> digitarald: 'cause the prevailing order of mentoringship goes from core developers to not-core contributors to other peoples, according to my handbook of justice
19:48 < digitarald> ... when I put on some tunes in the club
19:48 < graste> digitarald: that's the way to get students - persuading with music
19:49 < digitarald> I completely understand the supremeness of the core devs ... my name is in agavi, does that make me a not-core dev?
19:49 < impl> digitarald: That said, give me your full name, email address, and sign up on http://socghop.appspot.com/ and give me a link ID
19:49 < digitarald> roger that!
19:51 < Rayne> do you use the fpf or is it just to expensive?
19:52 < digitarald> I use it all the time
19:52 < _cheerios> Rayne, huh? Couldn't live without w/agavi.
19:52 < graste> 3:0
19:52 < Wombert> Rayne: it only runs when necessary
19:53 < Wombert> which basically means it only runs in error situations
19:53 < Wombert> and the 10ms or so it takes to process a reasonably big document don't matter in that case
19:53 < Rayne> not in every "write" (formally known as post) situtation?
19:53 < Wombert> (and if its 500ms, screw it)
19:53 < Rayne> hehe
19:53 < Wombert> well in that case, it scans the doc for forms
19:53 < Wombert> but that's not too expensive
19:53 < Wombert> usually, you do a redirect anyway
19:53 < Wombert> in which case it won't even load anything (iirc)
19:54 < Wombert> or, rather, the response is empty then
19:54 < Rayne> i never used xpath so i just asked ;-)
19:54 < Wombert> dom and xpath are pretty fast and efficient
19:54 < Wombert> if you spot any performance problems or so, let me know
19:55 < Rayne> if i spot problems, if i spot ;-)
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19:59 < digitarald> Rayne: rare problems with fpf are mainly invalid xhtml, usually coming from cms or external sources.
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20:01 < Rayne> i have not used fpf yet but the idea to use xpath/dom is just great
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20:18 < _cheerios> Hailey Williams <3<3
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20:29 < Ox40> ok, so if I have a profile view...
20:29 < Ox40> and I want to show, at the bottom of 'my whiteboard' a form only if the you are logged in...
20:36 < _cheerios> then do so. duh.
20:37 < Ox40> But, should it be in the TEMPLATE (<? if ($us->isLoggedIn()) ?> or what?
20:38 < _cheerios> yep
20:38 < graste> or in view just create and echo the form slot if user is logged in
20:39 < graste> if (loggedin) createSlotContainer...
20:39 < graste> etc
20:39 < Ox40> hmmmm
20:39 < Ox40> good one ;)
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20:46 < v-dogg> $us->isAuthenticate()
20:46 < v-dogg> +d
20:49 < Ox40> ;)
20:49 < Ox40> but, I think... yeah, that would be easiest, but... best practice/
20:50 < Ox40> well, now im working on moving my signup to a different 'module'
20:50 < DracoBlue> better different action and calling as slot? ;)
20:51 < Ox40> wtf? I used agavi module-wizard, the new module shows up in the shell and in winscp
20:51 < Ox40> but not in expandrive
20:52 < v-dogg> I meant $us->isAuthenticated() is already there (AgaviSecurityUser $us is available in the template and it has a method isAuthenticated()
20:53 < v-dogg> so no need to write isLoggedIn() method
20:53 < Ox40> yeah
20:53 < Ox40> i know, i just had the wrong function name ;)
20:54 < v-dogg> k
20:54 < v-dogg> bed tiem
21:04 < Rayne> where and how do i enable the fpf? action_filters.xml? and which syntax?
21:05 < asonge> i think it's global_filters.xml
21:06 < Rayne> ah yes
21:06 < Rayne> there it is
21:06 < Rayne> thanks
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21:07 < graste> there are multiple error thingies possible - "error_messages" "field_error_messages" "multiple_field__errormessages" - something like that
21:10 < _cheerios> fs pos flash player keeps dieing on me :< sniff
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21:14  * _cheerios headbangs to http://www.myspace.com/florenceandthemachinemusic Kiss With A Fist
21:17 < graste> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6067
21:17 < graste> ^^
21:18 < _cheerios> "lulz"
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21:31 < Rayne> fpf is damn strict but that is great even i had to use an x/html validator to found the problem (forgot "action" on the form element)
21:33 < graste> you may use the tidyfilter before fpf in global filters - you could then add another section to disable tidy filter in development environment to not get lazy :)
21:34 < graste> and remember: &nbsp; -> &#160; =)
21:35 < Rayne> yes, i read about this "issue"
21:35 < Rayne> hm
21:38 < asonge> graste: what would it take to get standard htmlentities in there?
21:39 < graste> dunno
21:39 < DracoBlue> shouldn't do a proper doctype do the trick? ;)
21:40 < asonge> DracoBlue: doesn't seem to :P
21:40 < graste> ^^
21:40 < Rayne> is it possible to define another template to be rendered inside the view?
21:40 < DracoBlue> ah brave new world, sorry ;)
21:40 < Rayne> (only template, not another view + its template)
21:40 < graste> you can set the template to use
21:40 < graste> ->setTemplate('some/template'); or something like that
21:41 < graste> if you don't like the default name or whatever :)
21:44 < Rayne> graste, where do i call ->setTemplate? inside the view and on $rd does not work.
21:45 < Rayne> oh. or something like that.
21:45 < Rayne> hm
21:45 < Rayne> i could load a layout by calling setupHtml($rd, 'layout')
21:48 < DracoBlue> Rayne what exactly do you want to do? ;)
21:49 < graste> $this->setTemplate() doesn't work to set another template to use?
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21:49 < graste> in view, that is
21:50 < Rayne> graste, Call to undefined method Admin_LoginErrorView::setTemplate()
21:50 < graste> oops
21:51 < Rayne> DracoBlue, i have two login templates - one is "i want to login" and the other is "the posted data is wrong". it would be cool to have only one template for both actions.
21:53 < DracoBlue> You still want to display the Input-View, when the posted data ist wrong?
21:53 < asonge> DracoBlue: well, you use the input template from the error view
21:53 < graste> try $this->getLayer('content')->setTemplate('AddInput'); or whatever that template is called
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21:58 < Rayne> this snippet works well
21:58 < Rayne> this is just for testing
21:59 < Rayne> but if i could find out how to check if the submitted data is wrong (or i set a tempalte variable) i have one form instead of two equal forms
21:59 < Rayne> incl. printing a message like "whoops, email/password wrong"
22:02 < graste> create InputView and extend ErrorView from InputView or something like that ;)
22:03 < graste> on error the action/validator should use the errorview and reuse the input template or whatever
22:03 < graste> can't think anymore
22:05 < DracoBlue> hmm, but validation failure is still an valid input with some extra info.
22:05 < DracoBlue> I would use an error-view if there is a real error with displaying the login-view (for instance spambot is blocked, login is disabled, login server down).
22:06 < DracoBlue> and use the input-view in case one wants to login, and success-view as soon as login worked to display the message.
22:06 < DracoBlue> but that does anyone for his/her likes ;)
22:06 < Rayne> heh, i hope ;-)
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22:13 < Rayne> DracoBlue, super generic testing template: http://pastebin.com/d585cd844 (i set a boolean variable as you can see here for checking, if the user submitted data - i could bet that i could check if the form was submitted by calling agavis context, but this would be too much logic for a template i think).
22:15 < DracoBlue> Rayne, there is even the oppertunity to take the FPF to even add you the errorbox (anmeldung fehlgeschlagen text) in case of error.
22:15 < graste> hm, think you could just use FPF for that message? 
22:16 < Rayne> i could? hm...
22:16 < DracoBlue> one sec ;) v-dogg made a blog about that some weeks ago
22:16 < graste> Yes, you can! *obama*
22:16 < Rayne> haha *g
22:16 < DracoBlue> http://blog.veikko.fi/post/75101068/agavi-tip-automatic-output-of-validation-errors
22:17 < DracoBlue> that:
22:17 < DracoBlue>  <ae:parameter name="container"><![CDATA[<div class="errors">${errorMessages}</div>]]></ae:parameter> 
22:17 < DracoBlue> makes you a nice div.errors with the errormessages ;).
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22:19 < Rayne> that's neat
22:19 < Rayne> i have just to configure the global filters :)
22:19 < graste> as I tried to tell you: there are multiple items: "field_error_messages" e.g. for datavalidator, normal field errors use the "field_error_messages" parameter, "error_messages" is the fallback for errors not related to specific fields - I think you can even add error messages in the view if validators don't set them for you
22:20 < graste> have a look at the sample application
22:20 < graste> or wait - I copy that example to the faq =)
22:20 < graste> haha
22:21 < DracoBlue> graste-crawler strikes again! ;)
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22:23 < DracoBlue> a while back I was wondering, if one could set up different "configs" for the FPF for different actions?
22:24 < DracoBlue> Sometimes I want to display a big-fat error message, sometimes I just want to make it tiny and below the entire form, so same class and same location application-wide is not that neat.
22:25 < graste> hm
22:25 < graste> true
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22:25 < DracoBlue> this is currently only possible by writing in "action"/view the specifc attributes in fpf-namespace, isn't it?
22:26 < graste> think so - overriding the default settings for the fpf
22:26 < graste> dunno how to do it, but you could try it and contribute to the faq :D
22:27 < DracoBlue> :P
22:28 < DracoBlue> I'll get my self some kind of standby.
22:28 < DracoBlue> See you tomorrow ;)
22:28 < Rayne> cu DracoBlue 
22:28 < graste> cu
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22:36 < Rayne> cu :)
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23:51 < impl> saracen: excellent commit, sir
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00:15 < Wombert> wat
00:15 < Wombert> where impl 
00:15 < Wombert> wat hapen
00:17 < impl> The spelling fixes
00:17 < impl> :P
00:17 < Ox40> h.uomen-ta!
00:26 < Wombert> ah
00:26 < Wombert> yes
00:26 < Wombert> but he's at the boathouse, impl 
00:26 < Wombert> so he won't read that till tomorrow
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01:52 < Ox40> Hey, why does my default module hav eall these random stuffs?
01:52 < Ox40> UnavailableSuccessview, etc?
01:53 < impl> Agavi has six built-in actions
01:54 < Ox40> Ah
01:54 < Ox40> So, those have to stay?
01:54 < impl> error404, unavailable (you can turn off the entire site), module_disabled (you can turn off a single module), login, secure, and default
01:54 < impl> well
01:55 < impl> if use_security is off you don't need login and secure and they shouldn't be there anyway
01:55 < impl> I don't like the fact that they're built in
01:55 < impl> the other ones you need
01:56 < Ox40> ok
01:56 < Ox40> how do you disable the whole site?
01:56 < impl>       <setting name="available">true</setting>
01:56 < impl> switch it to false
01:57 < Ox40> hmmm
01:57 < Ox40> :)
01:57 < Ox40> awesome
01:57 < Ox40> it works :)
01:58 < impl> durr
01:58 < Ox40> ^_^
02:13 < Ox40> hey impl dude. :) If I want a funciton that check username validity... should I have an action that does that and runs my validator... or just have a validator on the action that runs the validator?
02:13 < impl> Uhh
02:14 < impl> I'm guessing the latter, but I'm not sure what you mean by either one
02:14 < Ox40> lol
02:14 < Ox40> ok, I am using some JS to check if a username is taken.
02:15 < Ox40> Its going to ajax post to the Action Signup->CheckUsername.
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06:08 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:17 < MugeSo> huomenta
06:21 < horros> huomenta!
06:21 < impl> \o
06:44 < v-dogg> finland, japan, usa
06:44 < v-dogg> we are quite the global bunch :)
06:44 < v-dogg> but now something totally different
06:45 < v-dogg> the dog to a vet ->
06:50 < impl> :<
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07:17 < saracen> 00:26:47 < Wombert> but he's at the boathouse, impl
07:17 < saracen> impl: I hate you =(
07:18 < impl> saracen: <3
07:18 < saracen> whats the time where you are?
07:18 < impl> 3:18
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07:20 < impl> saracen: Are you interested in being a potential mentor for us for GSoC?
07:20 < impl> I'll add you to the 'maybe' list, no hard commitments
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07:48 < v-dogg> impl: i haz link id nau
07:48 < impl> v-dogg: kay, what is?
07:49 < v-dogg> vmakinen
07:50 < impl> v-dogg: awesome, thanks. 'definitely' right?
07:50 < v-dogg> yes
07:53 < horros> impl: done, link id: mlervik
07:54 < impl> horros: cool, thanks
07:54 < impl> horros: oh, your email too please
07:54 < horros> impl: which mail address?-)
07:54 < impl> Whatever one you want us to use :P
07:54 < horros> my gmail address or my REAL address?-)
07:55 < horros> ah, markus.lervik@necora.fi
07:55 < impl> The domain component is not viewable by the public anyway
07:55 < saracen> 07:20:48 < impl> saracen: Are you interested in being a potential mentor for us for GSoC?
07:55 < saracen> what would that involve?
07:55 < impl> saracen: telling a student what to do and why they fail so much at whatever they fail at
07:56 < saracen> Is there a limit to the abusiveness?
07:56 < impl> saracen: I'll put you with god, so no.
07:56 < impl> He likes it anyway.
07:56 < digitarald> Huomenta
07:56 < impl> hallo digitarald 
07:56 < impl> How's it?
07:56 < saracen> impl: Haha, putting me with god would be pretty lawl.
07:57 < digitarald> sitting in the sunny office, distracted by open source hobbies
07:58 < impl> haha :D
08:02 < impl> saracen: anyway, if you're interested, I'll put you on the maybe list. Just give me your email and sign up on http://socghop.appspot.com/ and give me your Link ID.
08:03 < horros> impl: Humm, I'm definitely interested if there's some project I can actually be a mentor for.
08:07 < impl> horros: check out http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCode2009/Ideas
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08:09 < saracen> ..."as well as provide a Web interface that allows for tagging, searching, and archiving IRC conversations"...
08:09 < saracen> tagging?
08:09 < saracen> I say thats stolen!
08:09 < horros> impl: I could probably do 1, 2, maybe 4 and perhaps 6/7
08:12 < saracen> impl: god is going to have a struggle I think =)
08:14 < impl> He's going to have a struggle just filling out the application :P
08:14 < saracen> Whys that? ;o
08:14 < saracen> Just, because he's god
08:14 < saracen> or some other reason?
08:14 < impl> Yeah
08:14 < saracen> ah
08:14 < impl> Did you look at it?
08:14 < saracen> I haven't, no
08:14 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCode2009/StudentApplicationTemplate
08:15 < saracen> haha
08:16 < saracen> impl: Do these applications go to google, or just agavi?
08:16 < impl> Just Agavi
08:16 < impl> god_: I hope you're reading this :D
08:16 < saracen> Sneak me his application when he sends it in =)
08:16 < impl> lawl
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08:17 < MikeSeth> !
08:17 < saracen> !
08:17 < impl> !
08:17 < saracen> Reminds me of MGS.
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08:26 < horros> Hmpf. I think I'd make a crap mentor, I still can't figure out this route pattern.
08:26 < horros> :x
08:26 < horros> I is stoopid.
08:26 < horros> :(
08:27 < impl> That's okay, you just have to figure it out before the student does :D
08:27 < saracen> impl: I should be a student doing chuckwalla :P
08:27 < saracen> But I suppose it requires more time
08:28 < impl> saracen: you can't be a student, as you're not enrolled in school :P
08:28 < horros> impl: Fix this for me!
08:28 < saracen> impl: pi.
08:28 < horros> pattern="/smegface(/{lat:\d+(\.\d+)?})(/{lng:\d+(\.\d+)?})$"
08:28 < impl> lol smegface
08:28 < horros> That sort of works but not quite
08:28 < horros> I want /smegface to match
08:29 < horros> and /smegface/nn.nnn/nn.nnn to match
08:29 < horros> but not /smegface/nn.nnn
08:29 < impl> /smegface((/{lat:\d+(\.\d+)?})(/{lng:\d+(\.\d+)?}))?$
08:29 < horros> ie either BOTH of the parameters must be there or NONE of the parameters.
08:29 < impl> did you try that?
08:29 < saracen> impl: Thats not right either
08:29 < horros> impl: yes
08:29 < horros> impl: Warning: preg_match() [function.preg-match]: Compilation failed: unmatched parentheses at offset 36 in C:\Projects\agavi-1.0.0\src\routing\AgaviRouting.class.php on line 1503
08:29 < horros> except there aren't any unmatched parentheses
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08:30 < impl> rawr
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08:30 < impl> umm
08:30 < horros> I shall have to have a look at the routing code.
08:30 < impl> don't bother
08:30 < horros> Ok..?
08:30 < impl> lawl, sorry, it's pretty insane
08:30 < impl> maybe
08:31 < impl> /smegface(/{lat:\d+(\.\d+)?}/{lng:\d+(\.\d+)?})?
08:31 < impl> $
08:31 < horros> Let me try
08:31 < saracen> 08:29:08 < horros> but not /smegface/nn.nnn
08:31 < impl> dat doesn't match dat
08:31 < saracen> impl: Wouldnt that still allow for that? ;x
08:31 < impl> No
08:31 < saracen> LIES
08:31 < impl> NO LIES LERN TO REED
08:31 < saracen> Whats with the first optional then?
08:31 < saracen> Why bother making it optional?
08:31 < impl> its not
08:31 < horros> saracen: The first isn't optional
08:32 < saracen> Oh, I see
08:32 < impl> Yeah, what now
08:32 < horros> saracen: It would match /smegface/nn/nn or ../nn.nnn/nn.nnn or so
08:32 < saracen> Yeah yeah =(
08:32 < impl> or /nn/nn.nnn
08:32 < horros> yeah
08:32 < WasabiCat> huomenta
08:32 < horros> sec phone
08:32 < MikeSeth> i tried out PHP 6 yesterday
08:32 < saracen> MikeSeth: \did\you\have\fun?
08:32 < MikeSeth> namespace Application\Fail\I\Want\To\Cry
08:33 < impl> Did you find it was identical to PHP 5.3?
08:33 < MikeSeth> impl: no. For one, $foo = $var ?: 'default' works
08:33 < saracen> This is the reason I'm going to jump on board with roadsend, and make sure it isn't a namespace fuckup
08:33 < impl> lol
08:34 < WasabiCat> how do I enter FormPopulationFilter error messages into an html form that has no <ul> or <li> or any other htmlprefixes? I tried leaving the <parameter name="parent::${htmlnsPrefix}"> blank, to no avail
08:34 < saracen> It must have *some* htmlprefix?
08:35 < horros> impl: /smegface/nn.nnnn still matches :(
08:35 < WasabiCat> it's in a <form> something like this <input type="text" name="subject" id="bb-subject" value="<?php echo $current_post->valueForKey('subject'); ?>" />
08:35 < impl> wat.
08:35 < impl> how is that possible :\
08:36 < WasabiCat> just use input?
08:36 < impl> WasabiCat: Sorry, was talking to horros :P
08:36 < MikeSeth> impl: tell ka0s
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08:36 < horros> impl: Something's borked.
08:36 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:36 < horros> I generate a route with array('lat'=>14.2314, 'lng'=>116.4593)) as the parameter
08:36 < impl> WasabiCat: you can match on say
08:37 < impl> self::${htmlnsPrefix}input[not(@type='checkbox' or @type='radio')] | self::${htmlnsPrefix}textarea
08:37 < horros> impl: It generates /smegface/116.4593?lat=14.2314 
08:37 < horros> :x
08:37 < impl> horros: aw shit.
08:37 < horros> I managed to get that yesterday too
08:37 < impl> okay, how about this
08:37 < impl> /smegface(?:(/{lat:\d+(\.\d+)?})(/{lng:\d+(\.\d+)?}))?$
08:38 < horros> Warning: preg_match() [function.preg-match]: Compilation failed: unmatched parentheses at offset 36 in C:\Projects\agavi-1.0.0\src\routing\AgaviRouting.class.php on line 1503
08:38 < WasabiCat> impl: thank you that's great! is the pipe "|" an "or"
08:38 < horros> This is starting to piss me off.
08:38 < impl> WasabiCat: yeah - it's xpath syntax
08:39 < WasabiCat> ok cool thanks impl 
08:39 < impl> horros: I think something is borked.
08:39 < impl> Where is Wombert? :(
08:39 < impl> horros: try ... this
08:39 < impl> /smegface\((/{lat:\d+(\.\d+)?})(/{lng:\d+(\.\d+)?})\)?$
08:40 < impl> no wait
08:40 < impl> that won't work, no way in hell
08:40 < impl> mrrrrrr
08:40  * impl slaps
08:40 < horros> :D
08:40 < horros>  /smegface/(/14.2314/116.4593\)? 
08:40 < horros> :D
08:40 < impl> yeah hush
08:40 < impl> :x
08:41 < impl> I realized I was being retarded
08:41 < horros> I guess I could work around this with a validator though.
08:41 < horros> It just seems funny.
08:41 < impl> No, that'd be stupid :(
08:41 < impl> I know you can do this
08:41 < horros> I think it *should* work so it'd match either /blah or /blah/foo/bar but not /blah/foo
08:42 < impl> damn it.
08:42 < horros> I think there's definitely something funky as it complains about unmatched parentheses even though the are definitely not
08:43 < impl> yeah
08:43 < horros> I broke it :(
08:43 < impl> can you open up AgaviRouting and var_dump() the string it's trying to match right before then?
08:43 < horros> Sure
08:47 < horros> hold on
08:47 < horros> now what the hell is going on here
08:48 < horros> string(39) "#/smegface/()(/(?P\d+(\.\d+)?)))$#"
08:48 < horros> :x
08:48 < MikeSeth> um
08:48 < impl> Wow, that's really broken
08:49 < horros> I say.
08:49 < horros> Should I open a ticket for this?
08:51 < impl> no, because
08:51 < horros> I can't believe I'm the first idiot who through about doing a route like this.
08:51 < impl> I don't know what the expected behavior is
08:51 < impl> but I'm sure Wombert will come in and say
08:51 < impl> "blah blah the two of you are morons here's how it works"
08:52 < horros> Mmh, I'm sort of expecting that too.
08:52 < _cheerios> haha
08:54 < saracen> impl: Have you seen Toy Story and do you have a few moments to spare?
08:54 < impl> saracen: I've seen it, a long time ago
08:54 < saracen> Have moments to spare? =)
08:54 < impl> I guess
08:54 < impl> I'm going to bed soon
08:54 < impl> because I don't want to make my brother breakfast
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09:02 < v-dogg> meh 
09:02 < v-dogg> meh meh meh
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09:03 < v-dogg> zi is still not working!
09:03 < v-dogg> and wombie said it would
09:03 < v-dogg> but he didn't read the question
09:07 < saracen> wha
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09:08 < v-dogg> action A forwards to action B and passes a few request parameters too. B validates those parameters but I can't get FPF to inject error messages or values after the forward
09:10 < v-dogg> one problem is that FPF uses global rd but the values (that didn't validate) are only in the forward container
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09:11 < horros> Hmm.
09:11 < horros> This routing problem is really starting to annoy me.
09:12 < v-dogg> I could store the values in the request and bypass validation totally and/or use a special method (i.e. not read/write)
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09:49 < MugeSo> Wombert: how do you think about http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1062 ?
09:49 < MugeSo> and please set its type enhancement :$ 
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09:51  * horros kicks routing in the face
09:51 < Wombert> would have to think about it, MugeSo 
09:51 < Wombert> another question, MugeSo 
09:51 < Wombert> do you use stuff like stylesheets etc on demand
09:52 < Wombert> i.e. by appending to a request attribute in views?
09:52 < Wombert> for css and js to include?
09:52 < Wombert> many people do that
09:52 < Wombert> but it spins out of control when you do it in slots and have caching
09:52 < Wombert> because you have values from cache overwriting current data etc
09:52 < Wombert> and I was thinking
09:52 < Wombert> it could maybe be done with filters and container attributes
09:52 < Wombert> but *maybe* (really not sure) it could also done with what you just suggested
09:53 < horros> Wombert: Do you have a minute or so to spare?
09:54 < Wombert> horros: just ask
09:55 < horros> Wombert: I seem to have some very weird issues with routing. I have pattern="/smegface/(({lat:\d+(\.\d+)?})(/{lng:\d+(\.\d+)?}))?$"
09:55 < MugeSo> Wombert: I set them into view's attributes.
09:55 < horros> Idea being it'd match /smegface or /smegface/nn.nnn/nn.nnn or /smegface/nn/nn.nnn etc, but NOT /smegface/nn.nnn
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09:55 < horros> that pattern seems to break the routing code
09:55 < horros> Warning: preg_match() [function.preg-match]: Compilation failed: unmatched parentheses at offset 34 in C:\Projects\agavi-1.0.0\src\routing\AgaviRouting.class.php on line 1506
09:56 < horros> The preg it's trying to match is string(39) "#/smegface()(/(?P\d+(\.\d+)?)))?$#" 
09:56 < horros> :|
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09:57 < Wombert> does it work if you leave out the curly braces, horros?
09:58 < horros> Let's see
09:58 < Wombert> it's likely that you cannot do nested braces that contain parameters
09:58 < Wombert> because it might not be able to construct a meaningful reverse string from it
09:58 < Wombert> or in other words
09:59 < Wombert> it cannot associate the fact that the fragment is optional with any specific parameter inside
09:59 < horros> well, it can't seem to generate a route now
09:59 < horros>  /smegface?lat=14.2314&lng=116.4593 
10:00 < Wombert> yes
10:00 < Wombert> you need to do the pattern different
10:00 < horros> I've tried pretty much everything I can think of so far :|
10:00 < Wombert> lets see
10:01 < horros> It's a bit weird that it generates a preg pattern with unbalanced parentheses though
10:01 < horros> I tried looking through the routing code but it quickly became rather hard to follow :)
10:03 < MugeSo> Wombert: I think response class is better to store those attribute, because style sheet or js is part of "response"!
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10:03 < MugeSo> They are not part of container!
10:05 < Wombert> true
10:05 < Wombert> MugeSo: this might actually allow reasonable caching of stuff like this
10:06 < Wombert> it's a good idea. I'll discuss it with some people who might be able to give good feedback on it, and then I think we could include it in 1.1 if we decide that it's reasonable and feasible etc :)
10:06 < Wombert> thanks for the suggestion
10:06 < Wombert> I would have done with with container attributes in a different namespace or so, but I agree, response attributes would be better
10:06 < MugeSo> ;)
10:08 < MugeSo> It's nice :D
10:08 < MugeSo> Thank you for your understanding.
10:08 < CIA-57> felix * r3917 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/ (8 files in 5 dirs): reorganizing the tutorial, wording changes etc
10:08 < Wombert> horros: pattern="/smegface(/{lat:\d+(\.\d+)?(?=/\d+(\.\d+)?)})?(/{lng:\d+(\.\d+)?})?$"
10:09 < Wombert> hope I have no typo there
10:10 < Wombert> that is a positive lookahead assertion
10:10 < Wombert> it asserts that the /123.456 is followed by another /123.456
10:10 < Wombert> if not, it doesn't match
10:10 < Wombert> and then, mooh, the second one would still match
10:10 < Wombert> oh smeg
10:10 < Wombert> use query args :p
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10:10 < horros> Wombert: :D
10:13 < horros> I find this rather peculiar.
10:13 < horros> Bug meh, I'll just use query args then.
10:17 < Wombert> you could always use two patterns :p
10:18 < Wombert> oh wait horros 
10:18 < Wombert> it can be done actually
10:18 < Wombert> :D
10:18 < horros> Oh?
10:18 < Wombert> pattern="/smegface(/{lat:\d+(\.\d+)?(?=/\d+(\.\d+)?)})?(/{lng:(?<\d/)\d+(\.\d+)?})?$"
10:18 < Wombert> should work
10:19 < Wombert> might have to use &lt; for the <
10:19 < graste_> :D
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10:20  * graste_ should send Wombert this shirt: http://store.xkcd.com/xkcd/#RegularExpressionsShirt
10:20 < horros> Wombert: Warning: preg_match() [function.preg-match]: Compilation failed: unrecognized character after (?< at offset 64 in C:\Projects\agavi-1.0.0\src\routing\AgaviRouting.class.php on line 1506 :O
10:21 < Wombert> wat
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10:22 < saracen> What was the last thing I said in here? ;x
10:22 < saracen> I got stuck in a screen session some how, and have no idea if I just spammed you all
10:22 < horros> "#/smegface(/(?P\d+(\.\d+)?(?=/\d+(\.\d+)?)))?(/(?P(?<\d/)\d+(\.\d+)?))?$#" is what it's trying to match against
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10:24 < graste_> 10:07	saracen	wha
10:24 < graste_> but i was disconnected after that
10:24 < graste_> ^^
10:24 < E_mE> huomenta
10:27 < Wombert> oh sorry horros 
10:27 < Wombert> eh wait
10:27 < Wombert> pattern="/smegface(/{lat:\d+(\.\d+)?(?=/\d+(\.\d+)?)})?(/{lng:(?<=\d/)\d+(\.\d+)?})?$"
10:31 < horros> Wombert, you're a star!
10:31  * horros hugs
10:31 < Wombert> get what it does?
10:31 < graste_> send him an xkcd tshirt then
10:31 < graste_> <:
10:31 < graste_> you
10:32 < horros> Wombert: Yes, I think I do :)
10:32 < Wombert> cool :)
10:33 < horros> ah, yes, positive lookahead on the first regexp and positive lookbehind on the second
10:34 < horros> makes sense!
10:34 < Wombert> yup
10:34 < Wombert> :)
10:34 < Wombert> the lookbehind however
10:34 < Wombert> must be of fixed length
10:34 < Wombert> that's why I said it won't work first
10:34 < Wombert> but all we really need to do is assert that there's a digit and a slash
10:34 < Wombert> because that's enough to ensure the previous pattern matched
10:35 < horros> ah, yeah
10:35 < horros> clever :)
10:35 < Wombert> yo could also do a negative lookbehind
10:35 < Wombert> that looks for smegface/
10:35 < Wombert> (?<!smegface/)
10:35 < Wombert> note that your url is now either /smegface or /smegface/123.456/123.456 but not /smegface/
10:35 < saracen> l4d updates that dont fail! w00
10:36 < horros> Wombert: Yeah, precisely how I want it :)
10:36 < MikeSeth> l4d has updates?
10:37 < Wombert> MikeSeth and saracen: nowai!
10:37 < Wombert> btw saracen I cracked another boat joke yesterday
10:37 < Wombert> ah you saw it
10:37 < Wombert> :D
10:37 < MikeSeth> I HAX UR BOAT
10:37 < MikeSeth> lol my flatmate joe
10:37 < Wombert> I've played it once or twice and it was really hard
10:37 < saracen> Wombert: Yeah I did =(
10:37 < Wombert> wrong window
10:37 < MikeSeth> there was this kids cartoon on tv
10:38 < MikeSeth> which is basically diversity bullshit so it has a lot of contrived "minority" characters
10:38 < MikeSeth> and it's drawn entirely in freehand, so the style is that all the characters have big eyes and confused looks
10:38 < MikeSeth> so there's this black kid that walks into a bathroom
10:39 < MikeSeth> and there's a toy boat floating in the tub
10:39 < MikeSeth> and so the kid looks at the boat and theres an awkward pause
10:39 < MikeSeth> and then joe says in perfect black accent "sup boat"
10:39 < Wombert> LOL
10:39 < MikeSeth> i havent laughed so hard in my life
10:40 < saracen> http://www.fiveturns.org/l4dpc.png - somewhat related, I suppose
10:40 < MikeSeth> hahahahaha mean
10:41 < saracen> There isn't enough space, so we had to come to the agreement that the man in the wheelchair is also asian and blind
10:43  * E_mE ponders how long some nut job in the Germany authority is going to blame music and Shoot'm up games as the cause for that kids rampage :(
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10:54 < MikeSeth> and we're going to laugh into his face
11:09 < E_mE> MikeSeth: ja hehe, but quite annoyingly my brother seems to think its computer games fault ... as he quotes "This has only been a problem in the past 10 years, you didnt see this happened like 20-30 years ago" ...
11:09 < E_mE> damn nutter i say
11:11 < E_mE> hehe this is cool: http://www.breathingearth.net/
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11:40 < Xylakant> well, E_mE, linking the shooting to computer games already happened. The shooter used to play counter strike.
11:40 < Xylakant> hmm, I used to play CS as well
11:40  * v-dogg ducks and covers
11:41 < horros> I've never played CS, so I'm safe!
11:41 < horros> \o/
11:41 < Xylakant> yead. chaos and wombert already ran as well
11:42 < Xylakant> but wombert plays L4D... hmmmm
11:42 < Xylakant> I'll better get my body armor
11:43 < horros> Just get a big lump of metal like Marty McFly
11:43 < horros> Or was it Marty McFly?
11:43 < horros> Hmm. I know Réne in Allo, Allo used the same trick!
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12:05  * Wombert stabs Xylakant 
12:05 < Wombert> chaos?
12:05 < Wombert> :<
12:05 < Xylakant> see, murderers everywhere...
12:13 < horros> hmm
12:13 < horros> how do I make a parameter required for write but optional for read?
12:13  * horros ponders
12:14 < MikeSeth> o/~ JUUUST BECAUSE YOU'RE PARANOIIID
12:14 < MikeSeth> o/~ DOESN'T MEAN THE WORLD ISN'T AFTER YOU
12:17 < saracen> lol
12:19 < v-dogg> horros: url parameter?
12:23 < Xylakant> horros: handle that in validation? or in a callback?
12:23 < Xylakant> I'd really do that kind of stuff in validation
12:23 < Wombert> yeah
12:23 < Wombert> and with query args :p
12:24 < Wombert> sounds like your urls are not really RESTful!
12:26 < v-dogg> RESTroom
12:26 < v-dogg> hey, Wombert horros ttj and _cheerios 
12:26 < v-dogg> everything set for next Thu?
12:27 < _cheerios> just need to book VR tickets
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12:27 < Wombert> oh
12:27 < Wombert> right
12:27 < Wombert> I need mobile numers
12:28 < _cheerios> +358 HELLO KITTY
12:28 < Wombert> olo
12:31 < saracen> http://goto.fiveturns.org - is that showing a bunch of graphs to the outside world?
12:32 < Wombert> yes
12:32 < DracoBlue> Hello! ;)
12:32 < Wombert> DracoBlue: you had something yesterday
12:32 < Wombert> mmm
12:32 < Wombert> ah that
12:32 < Wombert> yeah that's easy
12:33 < Wombert> see, you'd have a bunch of rules
12:33 < Wombert> for different form types
12:33 < Wombert> <form class="fail">
12:33 < Wombert> and then you do input[ancestor::form[@class="fail"]] and stuff
12:33 < Wombert> it's all possible with xpath
12:33 < Wombert> as a last resort, you can set all the rules at runtime if you wish
12:33 < Wombert> using $rq->setAttribute('error_messages', ..., 'org.agavi....');
12:34 < Wombert> but you know that already :)
12:34 < Wombert> also interesting to you, I guess, graste_ 
12:35 < graste_> re
12:35 < graste_> timing
12:35 < graste_> !
12:35 < DracoBlue> ah thanks
12:35 < DracoBlue> I'll try that ;)
12:35 < Wombert> ze powah of xpath :)
12:36 < Wombert> you can do the same thing for the "error" class if you want btw
12:36 < Wombert> so if there's one form where you want elements to have the class "boat" instead if they have errors
12:36 < Wombert> no problem
12:36 < Wombert> o
12:36 < Wombert> lunch
12:36 < graste_> and rules are metched top to bottom until one form type rule matches?
12:36 < graste_> matched
12:37 < graste_> anyways, thx for the hint
12:38 < saracen> w00, real time power consumption for the whole house.
12:38 < saracen> Now that i've set it up, I'm bored =(
12:38 < graste_> :o
12:39 < saracen> I guess I can always go do sad things, like see the ripple in the graph when I put the shower on...
12:39 < graste_> where do you get your data from?
12:39 < saracen> http://www.currentcost.com/
12:39 < saracen> Bought that device
12:40 < saracen> it has a usb connection thing, which outputs xml every 6 seconds, which I've plugged in to my mini-itx router =)
12:40 < saracen> whole things on UPS, so in theory the graph should show power cuts, too =)
12:40 < graste_> <:
12:40 < graste_> you have multiple devices?
12:50 < saracen> nope
12:51 < saracen> thats monitoring the main supply to the house, the cable that comes in to the building and goes to the meter
12:51 < saracen> They have per-application monitoring products coming soon that, that will use the same monitor thing, I think you can have up to 10 or something
13:06 < graste_> okay, wondered about that
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13:11 < E_mE> oh my imac and screen has arrived :D
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13:31 < Wombert> E_mE: did you rob a bank or something?
13:32 < MikeSeth> an apple bank
13:32 < MikeSeth> made of stainless glass and wooden coins
13:37 < Wombert> <:
13:39 < E_mE> my new job sent me my Imac plus Apple Cinema display :D
13:39 < E_mE> just setting it up, i've got emacs across two screens :D
13:39 < E_mE> 2.4Ghz iMac with 4GB RAM :D
13:39 < E_mE> 20"
13:40 < Wombert> 24" here :>>
13:40 < E_mE> i did wish for 24" .. but ah well, my desk looks like a spaceship deck now ehheh, 3 screens populating my vision hehe
13:40 < MikeSeth> i got 24" :D
13:41 < MikeSeth> also a display :D
13:41 < E_mE> well i got 56"  =P
13:41 < E_mE> 53 sorry
13:41 < E_mE> combining all 3 screens (including hte macbook hehe)
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13:57 < horros> hai
14:01 < v-dogg> for($i=0; $i<$i; ++$i) {
14:01 < v-dogg> hmm...
14:01 < v-dogg> :)
14:01 < v-dogg> I'm getting empty results from that method...
14:02 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: interesting
14:02 < horros> Well done!
14:02 < MikeSeth> mst@dev:~$ php -r 'var_dump(0<0);'
14:02 < MikeSeth> bool(false)
14:02 < MikeSeth> naturally :D
14:03 < v-dogg> haha. and now I made an infinite while()
14:03 < v-dogg> I rock!
14:04 < horros> Well done!
14:05 < _cheerios> it's not thursday, good man, get a hold of yourself!
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14:27 < god_> impl: I read the chat from last night -_-
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14:34 < saracen> impl: That was this morning
14:34 < saracen> I mean
14:34 < saracen> god: that was this morning
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16:46 < digitarald> v-dogg: u already had the new and fixed SqueezeBox (endless image loading)?
16:51 < v-dogg> no, I haven't tried it
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16:52 < v-dogg> I have to take a better look some day
17:04 < digitarald> v-dogg: if you have a minute http://digitarald.de/journal/85857891/squeezebox-patch-day/
17:11 < v-dogg> not right now, sorry, but I will take a look later
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17:18 < Whisller> evening
17:23 < digitarald> Whisller: you know the rules! ;)
17:24 < Whisller> Are you saying about my gretting? :P
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17:25 < saracen> I just watched Twilight
17:25 < digitarald> Did you cry?
17:25 < digitarald> ... did you read the book?
17:25 < saracen> I didn't read the book, no
17:25 < digitarald> ... did you watch it with a girl?
17:25 < saracen> I didnt watch it with a girl. I feel...
17:25 < saracen> weird.
17:25 < Whisller> No only not that :(
17:25 < digitarald> my wife wants to watch it again and again
17:25 < Whisller> It looks like a cady shit ;p
17:26 < Whisller> *candy
17:26 < saracen> digitarald: Really? Jesus
17:26 < saracen> I mean, I dont usually mind chick flicks, some are Ok
17:26 < saracen> But that didnt hold up
17:26 < saracen> It was rubbish
17:26 < saracen> Nothing really happened
17:26 < digitarald> it was fun, the music was nice
17:26 < saracen> I guess its part one aye?
17:26 < digitarald> Different vampire ideas :D
17:26 < saracen> How many books are there?
17:27 < digitarald> I mean, I watched Underworld right before watching that movie :D
17:27 < saracen> I like vampire stuffs, the idea is good, but they could have made it a little more interesting
17:27 < digitarald> 5, I think
17:28 < saracen> last vampire film I watched was interview with the vampire
17:28 < saracen> That wasnt very good either
17:28 < digitarald> classic ;)
17:28 < saracen> I think my favourite has to be Lost Boys, but only because it was like the first one I ever saw when I was a kid
17:29 < saracen> Kiefer Sutherland played a good part in that film =)
17:30 < digitarald> my favorite vampire movie ... hard ... so many
17:30 < digitarald> I think I prefer Vampire: The Masquerade ... the game :D
17:30 < saracen> haha, never played it
17:30 < saracen> Have you ever seen Lost Boys?
17:31 < digitarald> no, added it to my list ;)
17:31 < saracen> I might have to watch that again, havent seen it in years =)
17:32 < digitarald> ok, worst was "30 Days of Night"
17:32 < digitarald> I think Blade is my favorite
17:33 < digitarald> and of course From Dusk Till Dawn
17:34 < saracen> Blade got old for me =(
17:34 < saracen> There really needs to be a really scary vampire film made =(
17:37 < digitarald> the old ones are the best ;)
17:37 < digitarald> try Nosferatu
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17:40 < Rayne> if i have a website which has a public and admin area, which templates do i need when i use slots? One public template which calls all public slots and one admin template which calls all admin (and some public if necessary) slots?
17:41 < Rayne> or should i create for every module at least one template which loads slots?
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17:42 < Rayne> for instance sevenload: the use soooo many slots that i think they use only few "real" "main" templates
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17:47 < MrJeep> huh
17:47 < MrJeep> which templates do you need when you are using slots ?
17:47 < MrJeep> explain pleez
17:48 < MrJeep> :)
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17:53 < Rayne> MrJeep, i thought something like "Public" and "Admin". But it could be even "Index", "News", "foobar", "Admin", "Contact"... but if many templates are used every template has to define the slots like "sidebar x", "sidebar y" and so on. how do you use slots?
17:54 < Rayne> i compare slots with drupal's blocks, but i am not sure if i these features are the same
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17:56 < graste_> you create slots in views where you need them
17:56 < graste_> so you can reuse slots where you need them
17:57 < graste_> just build slots, that don't expect or know too much and use them whereever necessary
17:57 < graste_> and stuff all your business logic and foreach loops etc in model instead of building large views
17:58 < graste_> so your actions/views stay lean and may be reused more easily (as well as they can use model methods you created for other slots)
17:59 < graste_> switching templates is imho only necessary when you have specific needs - otherwise just build up your page from slots (and hence use their templates)
17:59 < graste_> l8er :)
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18:13 < Wombert> saracen: poek
18:13 < Wombert> poeeeeeeek
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19:00 < _cheerios> heh. seems i managed to c&p the same thing 43 times over in my two year old code without writing a proper abstraction. must've been in a hurry :p
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20:02 < MrJeep> caught a random exception :
20:02 < MrJeep> 		console.log('success');
20:02 < MrJeep> arg
20:02 < MrJeep> wrong comp
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21:46 < Rayne> graste, thanks
21:47 < graste> ?
21:47 < Rayne> you talked some time ago to me (i was not on my computer at this time)
21:47 < graste> oh that, yeah, no worries :)
21:52 < _cheerios> omg. facebook looks so lame now :<
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22:37 < jonleblanc> agreed _cheerios, it would be nice if they would make up their mind on site layout
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23:19 < _cheerios> friday the 13th, again
23:25 < Rayne> oh noez!
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23:52 < Rayne> i think i get this layer thing, yay
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05:21 < impl> If anyone here is awake and has a few moments, I'd really appreciate it if you could go over http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCode2009/OrganizationApplication and tell me what you think could use improving :)
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06:39 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:40 < v-dogg> impl: looks good
06:40 < impl> v-dogg: cool, thanks :)
06:42 < v-dogg> you could perhaps emphasize even more that mentors work with agavi and communicate with each others (including project managers) on daily basis already
06:42 < v-dogg> oh, wait
06:43 < v-dogg> this is mentioned in the next paragraph :)
06:43 < impl> hehe
06:43  * v-dogg reads the rest now before more comments
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07:36 < horros> Huomenta.
07:36 < impl> hallo horros
07:37 < horros> Hai impl 
07:40 < impl> horros: have a few seconds to go over the org application?
07:41 < horros> Sure.
07:41 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCode2009/OrganizationApplication
07:41 < impl> thanks :)
07:41 < horros> If this is going to be as complicated as the student application, I don't think I'll bother :D
07:41 < impl> haha
07:41 < impl> The questions are answered in this one ;)
07:41 < horros> PHEW!
07:42 < horros> Let me pop off for a smoke and I'll have a read.
07:42 < impl> sure :D
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07:55 < horros> Zere we go. Fresh cup of joe in front of me.
07:56 < impl> \o/
07:56  * horros rectifies his imaginary reading glasses and starts to wade through the document
07:57  * horros sniggers slightly at "innumerable number of individuals"
07:58 < impl> :D
07:59 < horros> impl: Am I supposed to comment on this in some way?-)
07:59 < impl> horros: if you find things you think should be changed, it'd be awesome
07:59 < horros> impl: ps. missing a "by"
07:59 < impl> whar?
08:00 < horros> "[...]through analysis of some of the principles employed Agavi as proverbial "stepping stones" toward [...]"
08:00 < impl> ah thanks
08:00 < horros> Shouldn't that be "employed by Agavi"?
08:00 < impl> yeah
08:05 < horros> impl: Hmmmh, seems to look good.
08:05 < impl> Awesome :D
08:05 < impl> Thanks for having a look over it
08:06 < horros> No worries :)
08:24 < horros> Why the smeg do I have AC/DC - Hell's bells playing in my head?
08:24 < horros> :x
08:25 < v-dogg> and now I do too
08:25 < v-dogg> thanks mate... :p
08:25 < horros> :D
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08:25 < impl> Me too :(
08:25 < horros> "Pistetään vahinko kiertämään" :D
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08:25  * horros sniggers and rubs his hands together
08:26  * v-dogg cranks up GrooveFM
08:26 < v-dogg> not the shitty Finnish GrooveFM but the million times better groovefm.de
08:27 < horros> The finnish Groove FM is complete and utter crap.
08:27 < v-dogg> nowadays, yes
08:27  * horros cranks up some Toots & The Maytals
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08:27 < v-dogg> it used to play a good variety of funk, soul, jazz, acid jazz etc
08:27 < graste_> huomenta
08:28  * horros hugs Toots
08:28 < v-dogg> now it's just disco and other, like you so well put it, utter crap
08:28 < graste_> <:
08:29  * horros unplays Toots and plays Perkele - Längtan instead
08:31 < v-dogg> good huomenta graste_ 
08:31 < v-dogg> (that looks so weird :)
08:32 < impl> kay, I'm heading to bed
08:32 < graste_> hm
08:32 < graste_> ONCE
08:32 < graste_> i was disconnected
08:32 < graste_> and since then...
08:32 < graste_> <:
08:32 < impl> if I'm not up by noon, make sure Wombert actually submits the GSoC application
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08:32 < impl> er, 5PM your time
08:32 < graste> cet?
08:32 < graste> ^^
08:32 < impl> Yeah
08:33 < impl> In fact, as soon as he joins, as many of you guys need to ask him about it as possible
08:33 < impl> :D
08:33 < horros> ~/ IRWIN GOODMAN, OLET AINA MUN SANKARI!~/
08:34 < horros> diu diu diu
08:34 < saracen> I think the clock is wrong in my kitchen, or I've mastered time travel ;x
08:34 < impl> saracen likes tuuurtles
08:35 < saracen> I got out of the shower at 8:30, I've spent about 5 minutes looking for socks, brushed my teeth and made a cup of coffe, and it's still 8:30.
08:35  * impl &
08:35 < saracen> DONT GO IMPL
08:35 < saracen> WE NEED TO TALK
08:35 < impl> bout what bitch
08:35 < v-dogg> he wants to break up
08:35 < v-dogg> he want to have "the talk"
08:35 < saracen> I'm not breaking up with you yet
08:35 < saracen> I just need advice
08:35 < impl> aww, shit, you need a new boat?
08:35 < saracen> Should I use my time travel skills to fight crime or be evil?
08:36 < impl> hmm
08:36 < saracen> impl: Wombert managed to have a few more boat jokes last night
08:36 < impl> Neither, do both. Fight the War on Drugs.
08:36 < saracen> Only he was speaking to me on ventrilo this time =(
08:36 < impl> haha
08:36 < saracen> Felt more personal, hurt deep
08:37 < impl> Well, I mean, after a few years you must have put quite a few leaks into your boat, if you know what I mean
08:37 < impl> so it's about time for a new one
08:37 < impl> just sayin'
08:38 < saracen> I'm a gentlemen, I always wipe my boat down after use.
08:38 < impl> That doesn't stop leaks, mate
08:38 < saracen> Yarr it does, mate
08:38 < impl> avast! thar she bloooows!
08:38 < saracen> I wish
08:39 < impl> Hopefully the GSoC admins use these IRC logs as the basis for their analysis of our community.
08:39 < horros> :D
08:40 < saracen> The keyword they'll look for first will be 'GSoC' to see if we've bad mouthed them
08:40 < saracen> TNX FOR INDEX IMPL
08:40 < horros> In that case: Hello GSoC admins! We're in reality very nice and friendly! \o
08:40 < impl> We just have a thing for boats.
08:40  * horros hugs GSoC admins
08:40 < saracen> Apart from when you add children to the mix!
08:40 < horros> <3
08:40 < impl> saracen: shh :D
08:40  * impl chuckles
08:41 < saracen> Stop pretending to be cool
08:41 < impl> No. :(
08:41 < impl> lol, David is sitting on a bus on the way to work debugging the Agavi mailserver
08:41 < saracen> Anyway, you needs to try your hardest to let god be my student =)
08:42 < impl> saracen: I'll try. :D
08:42 < impl> It depends on how many applications we actually have, you're not priority as a mentor since you aren't a core developer and stuff
08:42 < impl> although you kinda are
08:42 < impl> what with those spelling fixes and everything
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08:44 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:51 < horros> ~/ Saat multa horsman, se rentun ruusu on! ~/
08:51 < horros> lalalala
08:52 < horros> ~/ Viideltä saunaan ja kuudelta putkaan, se on sellainen työmiehen lauantai! ~/
08:52 < horros> diu diu diu
08:52  * horros hugs Irwin
08:56 < _cheerios> :)
08:56  * horros Irwin - Ei tippa tapa
08:56 < horros> <3
08:56 < saracen> I think my shower uses ~9k watts ;x
09:04 < graste> per hour, that is :p
09:04 < graste> just don't shower for hours ^^
09:07 < _cheerios> FRIDAY!!!!
09:08 < _cheerios> extra time on own projects, and maybe, just maybe, my first agavi-based service launch \o/
09:08 < horros> Woo!
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09:26 < macen> huomenta 
09:28 < Xylakant> huomenta
09:29 < graste> hi
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09:36 < horros> Wombert: Did you get my phone number yesterday?
09:37 < Wombert> absolutely, horros 
09:37 < horros> Good!
09:37 < graste> 09:32 - impl: if I'm not up by noon, make sure Wombert actually submits the GSoC application
09:37 < graste> 09:33	- impl: In fact, as soon as he joins, as many of you guys need to ask him about it as possible
09:37 < graste> ^^
09:37 < graste> done
09:38 < Wombert> I just finished the remaining tasks for it
09:38 < Wombert> starting submission right now
09:42 < v-dogg> could integrating ADT to Agavi be a GSoC project?
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09:42  * horros kek @ today's xkcd
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09:48 < Wombert> v-dogg: woot
09:48 < Wombert> yup
09:48 < Wombert> v-dogg: can you add it to the ideas page?
09:49 < graste> could ADT display caching information?
09:49 < v-dogg> I can but not right now. cool?
09:49 < Wombert> v-dogg: do it today before 21:00 your time please
09:50 < v-dogg> can you poek me later to make sure I remember?-)
09:50 < Wombert> not really
09:51 < Wombert> I'll sign out of IRC in a bit because i need to work on something that requires focusing :p
09:51 < Wombert> well maybe I won't
09:51 < Wombert> but yes, can remember you
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09:57  * macen buys v-dogg some post-it notes
09:58  * macen pets ical
09:59 < macen> i discovered "Notes" on my iphone the other night
09:59 < horros> Well done!
09:59 < macen> totally rocks meh
09:59 < macen> ty! ;p
10:00 < horros> I found "Notes" on my E90 immediately.
10:00 < horros> It has a button that says "Notes".
10:02 < v-dogg> Lotus Notes
10:02 < macen> ya but i actually used it
10:02 < v-dogg> it should have that!
10:05 < horros> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxTUf5V4Wjw
10:05 < horros> kek
10:14 < graste> I discovered notes on my e51 over a year ago :\
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10:15 < _cheerios> anyone setup sphing here before, bar trophaeum? what's the best getting started tutorial?
10:15 < _cheerios> *sphinx, even
10:18 < graste> zend shamework
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12:32 < mach3_domke> Huomenta
12:34 < mach3_domke> I have a Problem. I tried to set the exebility of an action with getCredentians() return array(administrator)... but every time i get this error: Invalid configuration settings: actions.secure_module "", actions.secure_action
12:35 < mach3_domke> accessibility
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12:38 < _cheerios> does your settings.xml specify those?
12:38 < mach3_domke> i dont think so, because i dont know what i have to specify 
12:38 < mach3_domke> i can show u my settings.xml..
12:39 < _cheerios> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/config/settings.xml
12:39 < _cheerios> the defaults are fine
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12:43 < mach3_domke> works..
12:43 < mach3_domke> thx
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13:39 < mach3_domke> Another Question:how i have to write the permission's?
13:39 < mach3_domke> Like this? :<permission>Default.Index</permission> or <permission>default.index</permission>
13:41 < v-dogg> those permissions have nothing to do with Agavi's actions names so it's totally up to you
13:41 < v-dogg> those are credential names and you return required credential from action::getCredentials()
13:42 < mach3_domke> ah
13:42 < mach3_domke> i think i get it
13:42 < horros> fecking google maps
13:42 < horros> :x
13:43 < v-dogg> mach3_domke: so if you have a role "administrator" (in rbac_definitions.xml or wherever you keep your credentials) with a "permission" (credential) 'foo.BAR.Lol'
13:43 < mach3_domke> ah ok
13:43 < v-dogg> and your action returns 'foo.BAR.Lol' only administrators are allowed to execute the action
13:43 < mach3_domke> works :)
13:44 < mach3_domke> THX
13:44 < horros> Bah. I have a gpolyline and I want to find the "middle point" of it (so the distance to start and end is equally long).
13:44 < horros> I may have to calculate the complete distance of the damn thing and then calculate the distance of each segment and find which segment contains the middle point.
13:44 < horros> :x
13:45 < benschi> horros: do you know how many segments there are?
13:46 < horros> benschi: I do.
13:46 < benschi> use the arithmetical middle 
13:46 < benschi> thats it
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13:46 < horros> as in, if I have three points I select number 2?
13:46 < benschi> n/2 for odd
13:46 < horros> That's not going to work out very well
13:47 < horros> as segment 1 may be, say 15 units long and segment 2 may be 3 units.
13:47 < benschi> oh i thought it was just two points
13:47 < horros> That'd place my marker thing in a completely illogical place :)
13:47 < benschi> no you would not
13:47 < horros> benschi: Nono, like I said, it's a polyline of n -> inf. points :)
13:48 < benschi> (15+3)/2 would make segment 9 the one containing the middle of the distance
13:48 < horros> yes but but but
13:48 < horros> that's what I initially said, innit? :)
13:49 < horros> I may have to get the complete distance and then calculate each segment's distance to find which one contains the middle point
13:49 < horros> benschi: And in the above mentioned example I have two segments.
13:49 < benschi> so the segments are not equally long/big
13:49 < horros> One from 0 to 15 and another from 15 to 18
13:50 < horros> benschi: Precisely.
13:50 < horros> That's why I said I may have a segment that's 15 units (say, kilometers) and one that's 3 units
13:50 < benschi> ahw crap, I thought of a segment beeing equally long intervals
13:50 < horros> nah, think of routes with waypoints.
13:51 < horros> the waypoints aren't necessarily an equal distance from each other
13:52 < graste> you want to mark the point half the distance from starting point to endpoint with many points between?
13:52 < benschi> I thought, from a to b there are 15segments, each segment equally long. But your right, didn't think about that they need not to ne equal
13:52 < horros> graste: Yes.
13:52 < graste> hehe
13:52 < horros> grumble
13:53 < v-dogg> WTF
13:53 < v-dogg> "Spam detection ... identified this incoming email as possible spam. ...  4.1 points, 3.0 required"
13:53 < v-dogg> 4.0 AWL                    AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list
13:53 < v-dogg> auto _white_ list?
13:54 < graste> hehe
13:54 < graste> priceless
13:54  * horros curses the fact that he skipped "long maths" in upper secondary
13:54 < horros> :x
13:54 < v-dogg> doesn't white list mean I want to _accept_ everything no questions asked?
13:54 < horros> Guess I should have listened to dad :(((
13:54 < benschi> horros: I just wrote math test yesterday so you're welcome
13:55 < horros> I've not done any maths is school for ages
13:55 < horros> last thing I did was discrete maths (set theory and all that crap)
13:55 < horros> which as a complete and utter waste of time
13:56 < graste> horros try it the cheap way if googling doesn't help? calc overall distance, then walk through segments getting the distance til you get to the segment with the midpoint and then find point where distance til segment + missing distance to midpoint (on that polyline) is?
13:56 < horros> graste: That's what I initially said :D
13:56 < graste> :\
13:56 < horros> JS + lots of calculations = usually fail though.
13:57 < horros> You know what?
13:57 < horros> It's Friday.
13:57 < horros> Fuck this.
13:57 < horros> (pardon my language)
13:57 < graste> can't believe, that there's no function or lib or whatever on the whole internet that already does this for you ^^
13:57 < horros> I'm going home and having some lagers.
13:58 < horros> graste: That's what I said. I can't be the only person in the world trying to achieve this.
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14:02 < horros> perhaps I could use a whatsitcalled (the "vector" if you will shooting out at a 90 degree angle for a line/point/whatever)
14:03 < horros> and use that to find the coordinates where it intersects with the polyline
14:03 < horros> except then I'd need to know what direction to start looking in.
14:03 < horros> bah
14:04 < horros> to reiterate
14:04 < horros> It's Friday. Fuck this. -->
14:07 < horros> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:07 < horros> I found something!
14:07 < graste> <:
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14:08 < graste> link?
14:08 < horros> hahah, I'll never get home!
14:08 < horros> graste: http://wheresthepath.googlepages.com/cSnapToRouteDemo.html
14:08 < horros> I can use that and feed it coordinates of the middle point between the start and end points
14:08 < horros> and then it should magically snap to the nearest point on the polyline!
14:09 < graste> you still have to calc things and find out the middle gpolyline ;)
14:11 < horros> well, this helps me on the way
14:11 < horros> a lot :)
14:11 < graste> :)
14:11 < horros> I may even lower my goals a bit :D
14:11 < horros> ANYWAY
14:11 < horros> now. srs. home.
14:11 < horros> -->
14:11 < graste> so you'll not only get your lagers, but also deserve them
14:11 < graste> ^^
14:11 < horros> Precisely!
14:12 < graste> have a nice weekend then <:
14:12 < horros> You too!
14:12 < horros> \o
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14:51 < mach3_domke> in my action i want to make an redirect. How? like this? $this->getContainer()->getResponse()->setRedirect($this->context->getRouting()->gen('admin.user_list'));
14:53 < _cheerios> even the sample app has examples on this
14:54 < mach3_domke> u mean the sample in the login action
14:54 < mach3_domke> ahh
14:54 < graste> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#general_13
14:54 < mach3_domke> i think i have the mistake
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15:00 < mach3_domke> thx
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15:10 < Edward_Hyde> People, is the path to root_dir/libs available somewhere (something like %core.libs_dir%)? I couldn't find it and I dont think using %core.app_dir%/../libs is the right way.
15:11 < _cheerios> app/config.php has the provided paths
15:11 < graste> core.lib_dir
15:18 < v-dogg> no
15:19 < v-dogg> app_dir/../libs
15:19 < v-dogg> lib_dir is app_dir/lib
15:19  * graste should start reading things...
15:25  * _cheerios should start heading home
15:26 < Edward_Hyde> Yeah, that's what I noticed... I'm assuming libs/ is for putting 3rd party libraries. I can't specify this is config.php because looks like it's parsed after autoload.xml. Guess I'll have to use the '/../' thing then.. or change the include_path.
15:26 < Edward_Hyde> thanks!
15:26 < graste> you could set that var in index.php?
15:27 < graste> dirname(dirname(__FILE__))).'/libraries' or teh like
15:28 < Edward_Hyde> Yes... would work fine too. Just looking if there was a default way to do it.
15:28 < graste> I'd say index.php :)
15:28 < v-dogg> index.php?
15:29 < v-dogg> oh yes
15:30 < Xylakant> well, use your app's config.php rather than the index.php for application settings
15:30 < v-dogg> but I'd say definitively not in index.php
15:30 < v-dogg> yeah
15:31 < v-dogg> config.php is after all for configuration and more likely to stay in the same place relative tp libs/
15:31 < v-dogg> *to
15:32 < graste> then I don't understand this problem: ". I can't specify this is config.php because looks like it's parsed after autoload.xml."
15:32 < Xylakant> it's not
15:32 < graste> thought so
15:32 < Xylakant> config.php is included in the index.php before bootstrap
15:32 < Edward_Hyde> I'm writing this in config.php: AgaviConfig::set('core.libs_dir', dirname(dirname(__FILE__)) . '/libs');
15:33 < Edward_Hyde> then I get an exception when loading the page
15:33 < Edward_Hyde> because it can't find this value
15:33 < Edward_Hyde> very strange.
15:34 < Xylakant> could you post your autoload file somewhere?
15:34 < Edward_Hyde> Of course. Just a second.
15:35 < Xylakant> the reason to use config.php over index.php is not that index.php might change the location relative to the libs dir but rather that you can have multiple dispatcher files
15:35 < Xylakant> one web-related, a console one, a soap dispatcher etc.
15:36 < Xylakant> and they're all going to use the same config
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15:39 < Edward_Hyde> Oh my god... I found the problem. Got confused by Eclipse tabs. :( Sorry to waste your time. config.php works as intended.
15:39 < graste> :>
15:40 < graste> try netbeans or vi :D
15:40 < Edward_Hyde> I'll go back to vi now.
15:40 < graste> ;)
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15:42 < macen> netbeans or vi
15:42 < macen> lol
15:42 < macen> quite a difference :p
15:42  * macen throws TextMate into the mix
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15:48  * saracen throws macen into a mix
15:51 < v-dogg> +er
16:02 < Xylakant> well, i have mixed feelings about that...
16:03 < Xylakant> anyways, I'll pack up and go
16:03 < Xylakant> off to berlin
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16:09 < aka> yall mfers hatin on eclipse?
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16:09 < v-dogg> no, I like it
16:10 < aka> word
16:10 < v-dogg> or, no, I don't dislike it
16:10  * aka trying to bring some street slang into #agavi
16:10 < graste> I don't dislike it, too
16:10 < aka> I can't disagree with either of you
16:10 < aka> c wut I did thar?
16:11 < graste> because that would mean you understand us :P
16:11 < graste> and the points we make
16:11 < graste> <:
16:11 < aka> hahaha
16:11 < aka> man we are 3 smart cookies
16:11 < aka> but really we are humans btw
16:11 < macen> i was *this* close to eating you
16:12  * aka whipes his brow
16:12 < aka> that was close
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17:10 < macen> E_mE: you got mac
17:10 < macen> lucky boy
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17:11 < E_mE> ive got 2 macs ;)
17:12 < macen> ah but are you taking them both to chesterfield? :p
17:13 < macen> doesn't look  like macbook in that photo
17:15 < MrJeep> photo ?
17:15 < E_mE> yes there going to chesterfield, and it is a macbook 
17:15 < E_mE> MrJeep: ill link ya :
17:15 < E_mE> :)
17:16 < MrJeep> :o
17:16 < E_mE> http://tinyurl.com/carejw
17:19 < E_mE> what you think MrJeep ?
17:20 < MrJeep> nice :D
17:20 < MrJeep> but my desk's more messy right now
17:20 < E_mE> i only got the imac yday (from my new job ;D )
17:20 < MrJeep> plus you don't have any place to eat things such as spagetti
17:21 < MrJeep> nice :D
17:21 < MrJeep> i'll show you my desk when I get home :D
17:21 < MrJeep> but I'll clean it up
17:21 < MrJeep> how does that new mackbook is ?
17:22 < E_mE> its great!! i love it
17:22 < MrJeep> they look great
17:22 < MrJeep> I'd really like to have the new 17"
17:22 < E_mE> so well built and works beautifullly
17:22 < MrJeep> but my mbp is just working great right now
17:22 < E_mE> i like the 13" one, compact :D
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17:23 < MrJeep> well they did a very nice job with it
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18:24 < v-dogg> impl: ping
18:40 < _cheerios> woot. ff crash... hmm
18:42 < _cheerios> http://www.cio.com/article/464169/When_Agile_Projects_Go_Bad this page crashes meh browser every time
18:43 < ttj> Apparently that's when agile projects go bad.
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19:53 < impl> v-dogg: pong
19:54 < v-dogg> I was just hoping to use you as a backup when I couldn't contact Wombert :)
19:54 < Wombert> :D
19:54 < v-dogg> http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCode2009/Ideas
19:54 < Wombert> impl: check v-dogg's idea :)
19:54 < v-dogg> added ADT there
19:54 < impl> oh, nice
19:55 < v-dogg> but now, the dog really needs to poo (and camilla is getting sick of me just ircing with you guys :)
19:55 < impl> lawl
19:59 < impl> v-dogg: I sorted your idea in the ideas list
19:59 < impl> just so you don't go 'zomg where did it go' :P
20:07 < _cheerios> "The knife hiding behind the smile or 笑裏藏刀 is a useful phrase to be aware of in business and politics in China." :p
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20:20 < Rayne> where should i place an "admin control panel" layer? %core.template_dir%?
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20:23 < _cheerios> google is giving me blank pages on searches *sigh*
20:24 < Rayne> that's internet cencorship at its best :)
20:25 < _cheerios> i broke google :/
20:25 < Rayne> don't be evil _cheerios !
20:28 < Rayne> woa _cheerios, now google reader needs 5 seconds to show me the latest feeds... heck, what did you do?
20:29 < _cheerios> i set the evil bit on *g*
20:30  * _cheerios notices that i'm 3 eps behind BSG tomorrow w/new ep coming out
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20:52 < _cheerios> lol @ "I once invested $40,000 in a collection of web names that all had the ending 724. At the time I thought I was clever, but in the end, no one wanted them as a set. I lost all my money."
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20:58 < MrJeep> weekend woot !
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21:03 < macen> _cheerios: what version / OS? (FF crashing)
21:12 < _cheerios> ubuntu 8.10 + ff 3.0.7
21:16 < macen> if you installed via apt-get...
21:16 < macen> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Installing_Firefox#Linux has the steps to get the official version from http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0.7/linux-i686/en-US/firefox-3.0.7.tar.bz2
21:18 < _cheerios> i'd be happy if flash didn't grey out on me all the time
21:18 < _cheerios> i can live without that single site :)
21:19 < macen> lol :p
21:25 < _cheerios> wow. a website builder got $20mil financing
21:25  * _cheerios checks if its 2009
21:26 < _cheerios> maybe if i build one quick, i can get someone to give me $5mil
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21:32 < _cheerios> i smiled @ http://darmano.typepad.com/logic_emotion/2009/02/professional-prism-of-trust.html
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21:37 < Rayne|aedion> is this correct: http://pastie.org/415703 ?
21:37 < Rayne|aedion> (in fact it works, but looks to me weird)
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21:37 < Whisller> evening guys
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21:40 < Rayne|aedion> with weird i mean <slot /> works but should this not be <slots><slot name="foo" /></slots> instead?
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22:01 < graste> most of the time you can omit the wrapping elements
22:01 < graste> but you shouldn't imho, as it makes it easier to xinclude certain things
22:01 < graste> and just sometimes you need them
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22:08 < Rayne|aedion> as i thought, thanks again graste 
22:08 < graste> most of the time you omit them in validators i think
22:08 < graste> like <errors>...</errors>
22:08 < graste> etc
22:09 < Rayne|aedion> hm, yes
22:09 < Rayne|aedion> mostly
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02:02 < Wombert> nom
02:22 < benschi> Wombert: still up?
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02:44 < impl> what what
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03:20 < Wombert> benschi: nah, up already :)
03:20 < Wombert> impl: wat
03:22 < impl> :>
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07:53 < v-dogg> huomenta
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10:07 < _cheerios> huomenta
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10:58 < digitarald> Huomenta
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11:34 < _cheerios> gah, couldn't get continue100 fixed with latest 1.4 lighty -- guess its all the way to 1.5 then
11:41 < _cheerios> anyone got their nginx setup to share, as plan-b?
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11:42 < graste> huomenta
11:49 < _cheerios> http://www.releaseusnow.com/
11:59 < _cheerios> trophaeum, is php-fpm the way to go with nginx?
12:05 < trophaeum> _cheerios, i would so no personally, i have had really good experience with spawn-fcgi myself, ill be honest that i havnt tried it properly though, it wouldnt let me apply it + suhosin together when i tried it so that turned me off of it
12:06 < trophaeum> someone said it applies with suhosin since then but... i suspect it'll miss some of suhosin's checks in php-fpm's addons myself
12:06 < trophaeum> so, my suhosin fanboiism wins out here
12:12 < _cheerios> so bummed that i have to deal with a webserver change to fix some file upload problem. bleh.
12:13 < trophaeum> hehe
12:13 < trophaeum> at least you know where to start
12:13 < trophaeum> youll become an nginx fanboi in time though
12:13 < trophaeum> wait and see
12:14 < _cheerios> does the rewrite rule for agavi need any changes?
12:15 < _cheerios> "^/(modpub).*" => "$0" +++ "^/([^?]*)(?:\?(.*))?$" => "/index.php?/$1&$2"
12:21 < trophaeum> haha, good question, most of the time i take the lazy way and reverse proxy to an apache2 threaded mpm with fastcgi php there, the nginx direct sites i run have very few and very specific rules
12:21 < trophaeum> the reverse proxy to apache causes me less headaches on having to adapt things like that
12:35 < _cheerios> "PS: If people say content is king they are absolutely right. But never forget in the internet speed is Kaiser!" :)
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12:59 < Xylakant> huomenta
12:59 < shrink0r> huomenta
12:59 < shrink0r> what up?
13:03 < Xylakant> ach, die berliner wieder im channel :)
13:04 < shrink0r> :)
13:12 < _cheerios> trophaeum, ok, nginx+php up -- just need some proper init.d scripts now. *yawn*
13:12 < nfq> hey Xylakant 
13:13 < Xylakant> hey :)
13:13 < nfq> I got a silly thing with error filters
13:13 < nfq> In global_filters I got this 	<parameter name="container">
13:13 < Xylakant> explain
13:13 < nfq> and 	<parameter name="markup">
13:14 < nfq> with this in the container <![CDATA[${errorMessages}]]>
13:14 < nfq> and this in markup <![CDATA[<span class="post_error">${errorMessage}</span>]]>
13:14 < nfq> no, what ideally I'd like is the error to be contained ins some div or label
13:15 < Xylakant> uhh.
13:15 < Xylakant> I have to admit that I've never dug deep into the fpf
13:15 < nfq> so, this would be the HTML <label > Subject %%error here%%</label>
13:15 < nfq> ah, k
13:15 < nfq> I'll keep playing then
13:15 < nfq> thanks!!
13:15 < Xylakant> wombert would be the right one here
13:17 < _cheerios> trophaeum, doing a quick unscientific benchmark nging+spawn-fcgi loses out to apache2+mod_php by about 10%
13:18 < Xylakant> _cheerios: and if you take into account memory load and delivering static files?
13:19 < _cheerios> is there a nice cli-way to summarize memory used during a benchmarking run?
13:20 < Xylakant> well, I haven't done much benchmarking in that respect
13:20 < Xylakant> but I know that the reduced memory load is a reason to use lighty/nging
13:20 < Xylakant> or fastcgi in general
13:21 < Xylakant> because with mod_php the child always drags the php interpreter around even when just delivering a css file or the like
13:22 < Xylakant> however, you could just use a cdn to get around that as well
13:22 < Xylakant> serve your app from one host, the static files from another
13:22 < Xylakant> which has a couple of other advantages as well
13:23 < _cheerios> true, but i've minimised such setups due the added setup+maintenance required
13:23 < _cheerios> not running yahoo.com yet
13:23 < Xylakant> well
13:24 < Xylakant> you could serve that from the same physical box
13:24 < Xylakant> keeping it logically separate makes it easier to scale out when required 
13:25 < Xylakant> however, it's still additional maintenance and I rarely get to see such setups
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13:35 < Xylakant> anybody hungry?
13:35 < Xylakant> http://scanwiches.com/
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13:38 < graste> :D
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13:45 < _cheerios> Xylakant, mainly dug into the "nginx so fast!1!!". now to learn how to setup vhosts for nginx to see if nginx is any better at dealing with file uploads...
13:46 < Xylakant> _cheerios: I must admit that I've never used nginx, only lighty. However, since lighttpd development is kinda slow i've been considering a swithc
13:46 < _cheerios> i've been lighty for years, but i need flash uploads to work, and they don't in 1.4 :<
13:47 < _cheerios> i've now used 2hrs already on this, time i could've spent on way better things!
13:48 < Xylakant> _cheerios: why don't they?
13:48 < Xylakant> I'm pretty certain I used flash uploads on lighty
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13:48 < _cheerios> when i do an upload with flash i get wrong response from lighty due http1.1 continue:100
13:49 < Xylakant> ah
13:49 < Xylakant> well, that one is not supported in lighty
13:49 < Xylakant> but I think you can switch that one off
13:50 < _cheerios> im all ears, if you know a working solution. i tried server.reject-expect-100-with-417 = "enable/disable", but it was always http 400 back.
13:50 < Xylakant> you'd need to change that on the flash-side
13:50 < Xylakant> I'm certain we had that working
13:52 < Xylakant> i know that I had it working with this one
13:52 < Xylakant> http://digitarald.de/project/fancyupload/
13:52 < Xylakant> the full flash source is included, so if you know your way around in actionscript, you might be able to poke around a little
13:53 < macen> 1337: Half-time Manchester United 1-2 Liverpool 
13:53 < macen> even the time is leet
13:53 < macen> go redmen :>
13:54 < macen> doesn't php support checking file upload progress now?
13:55 < macen> submit to an iframe and voila 
13:55 < macen> suppose that needs javascript to do properly but probably easier to support without javascript eh
13:57 < Xylakant> macen: flash uploads support a couple of things you can't do with submitting to an iframe
13:57 < Xylakant> upload multiple files at once
13:57 < Xylakant> make a selector display only certain given extensions
13:57 < macen> well this is something i have done more than once
13:57 < Xylakant> check the filesize before uploading it
13:58 < macen> ya, Browse.. value is fail in JS
13:58 < Xylakant> that's just not going to happen with js + iframe
13:58 < macen> but then you may as well use a Java applet to do full validation and stuff before uploading
13:58 < Xylakant> but why java when you can use flash?
13:59 < macen> i have used ruby to do file upload progress checking before
13:59 < Xylakant> it's not about the progress bar
13:59 < macen> only because that was before flash was an acceptable solution
13:59 < Xylakant> it's about the whole user interface
14:00 < macen> hmm..i wonder if php can get file size from a file that's being uploaded
14:00 < macen> you could check then straight after the upload takes place
14:00 < Xylakant> and then?
14:01 < Xylakant> abort, throw an exception?
14:01 < macen> if it's an iframe, you can submit back to the user
14:01 < macen> alert('Fail')..
14:01 < Xylakant> yes, that might work. what good is it going to do?
14:01 < asonge> macen: you can't be sure until it's uploaded, but i think there's a content-type set on upload...which is often innaccurate
14:01 < Xylakant> like 95% of you users will have flash installed
14:02 < asonge> APC has an upload progress hook
14:02 < Xylakant> so you provide a flash interface with a nice gui, upload progress etc
14:02 < asonge> how it works? i have nfi.
14:02 < Xylakant> and for those that don't have flash you just fall back to the regular file upload
14:02 < Xylakant> check after upload etc
14:03 < asonge> Xylakant: i thought java had more access to the filesystem
14:03 < macen> there are lots of nice user interfaces in javascript Xylakant 
14:03 < macen> but without pre-post server side file validation 
14:03 < Xylakant> macen: have you hat a look at the one i posted?
14:03 < asonge> macen: i find for uploads <4-5MB, the progress bar is a waste of bandwidth/time
14:03 < Xylakant> the whole gui is javascript/html
14:03 < asonge> but you're talkin validation
14:03 < macen> no i'm trying to find out if you can check file size *while* it's being uploaded
14:04 < macen> like you can check the progress of file uploads in php
14:04 < macen> so can you check the file as well
14:04 < macen> maybe?
14:04 < asonge> macen: you can force the upload into userland and parse multipart mime uploads yourself
14:04 < Xylakant> yeah, and what I'm trying to say: it's probably going to work to check on the php side
14:04 < Xylakant> but you'll write a lot of code and still not get all the other benefits
14:05 < asonge> macen: basically you force all of $_POST to php://input
14:05 < macen> this isn't the one i use, but it's from the same author (in extjs) http://aariadne.com/uploadform/
14:06 < Xylakant> macen:  but that one lacks checking of filetype on the selector
14:06 < macen> yeah
14:06 < Xylakant> it lacks selecting multiple files
14:06 < macen> um, you can do multiple file uploads
14:06 < Xylakant> yes
14:06 < Xylakant> but i have to select each file individually
14:07  * macen nods
14:07 < macen> yea
14:07 < macen> not so bad?
14:07 < Xylakant> and the one i posted you can just select a list in the file browser
14:07 < Xylakant> massively bad if i want to upload 100 images from a single folder
14:07 < graste> (15:03:01) asonge: Xylakant: i thought java had more access to the filesystem
14:07 < macen> this is the browser limitation though 
14:07 < macen> so you could argue it's down to the browser 
14:08 < graste> with java applets I think you have to sign them and include proper security policies which the users have to accept
14:08 < Xylakant> macen: that's what I'm telling you
14:08 < graste> and java is not as widespread as flash
14:08 < Xylakant> the flash uploade gets around that
14:08 < Xylakant> it allows all of those features
14:08 < macen> ok
14:08 < Xylakant> it even allows posting arbitrary metadata with each file
14:08 < macen> yeah
14:08 < Xylakant> a title, a description etc
14:09 < Xylakant> and flash is really really widespread
14:09 < macen> yes it is
14:09 < macen> the progress bar can be done without flash though 
14:10 < macen> but there are other limitations 
14:10 < Xylakant> well, well. if i use flash for the userinterface, why not use it for the progress bar as well?
14:10 < macen> you would do :)
14:10 < macen> i don't think it is always a requirement though
14:11 < Xylakant> what? the progress bar?
14:11 < Xylakant> or the nicer interface?
14:11 < macen> the interface is always required
14:12 < Xylakant> see. and the component i use provides a simple way to create a progress bar
14:12 < Xylakant> it's five minutes of coding
14:12 < Xylakant> so yes, i usually add it
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14:12 < Xylakant> why? because it shows the user that something is happening
14:13 < macen> it's the filesystem access that is needed really 
14:14 < macen> if we got that in the browser without flash there wouldn't be much left that flash could do that the browser couldn't
14:14 < macen> how far you then take it in making the user experience better is down to you
14:14 < macen> but meh
14:14 < Xylakant> well, go ahead, add it to all browsers out there
14:15 < macen> sure, impossible!
14:15 < Xylakant> and make it so that all scripting languages work without breaking
14:15 < Xylakant> so you're stuck
14:15 < macen> idd
14:15 < Xylakant> use the single, one file at a time upload
14:15 < Xylakant> use java
14:15 < Xylakant> use flash
14:16 < Xylakant> and the requirement is always to provide the best user experience that can be done
14:16 < macen> without flash isn't the end of the world, unless you need to select multiple files or are handling large file uploads
14:16 < macen> but then you would say, well why not use it every time
14:16 < macen> to which i wouldn't know the answer, as flash is fully supported mostly 
14:16 < macen> so yeah, stuck
14:17 < Xylakant> well, as long as you make it degrade gracefully when no flash is installed on the client, fine. use it all the time
14:17 < Xylakant> there are valid reasons not to use it
14:17  * macen nods
14:18 < Xylakant> you might be in an environment where you know that no flash is available
14:18 < Xylakant> corporate intranet springs to my mind
14:18 < Xylakant> the budget is really really tight and you have to squeeze every cent out of it
14:19 < Xylakant> and so on
14:19 < macen> like you say if it degrades gracefully then ok
14:19 < macen> and i think 95% is a very fair figure 
14:19 < Xylakant> anyways, I'll be off for some time. need to find some place to charge my laptop
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14:25 < _cheerios> uploads seem to work on nginx, on swfupload demos atleast. still struggling with nginx configs; not quite as petite as lighttpds on all fronts :<
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15:43 < Strzalek_> Huomenta
15:43 < Strzalek_> could somebody remember what to set in output_types to have all tpl from views in one folder
15:43 < Strzalek_> not in modules/__NAME___/templates
15:44 < Strzalek_> but all in for e.g. tpl/__NAME__/*.php
15:49 < _cheerios> trophaeum, i guess before becoming a fanboy i'll hate it -- damn these regex conversions driving me nutty :)
16:01 < Strzalek_> MikeSeth: ^^
16:05 < _cheerios> if there's nging/regex gurus around, http://pastie.org/416204, what was the fix for rewerites working when inside a route (eg. /bar/), but not when you're at /? I get index.php added for / route.
16:08 < macen> eek
16:09 < macen> forgot to include google analytics code on a landing page from emarketing campaign
16:09  * macen sacks $self
16:09 < saracen> macen: totally related
16:10 < saracen> _cheerios: http://pastebin.com/m31e59554
16:10 < saracen> Thats what I use
16:11 < _cheerios> -e to -f... :headbang, thanks
16:11 < saracen> Yeah, I went through the same thing a few months back =(
16:19 < _cheerios> saracen, got a better way to setup fastcgi_param  SCRIPT_FILENAME  path-to-agavi-root$fastcgi_script_name; ? that is, without having to specify the root path there always, or is there some setting i could use instead of retyping?
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16:29 < v-dogg> Strzalek_: directory, iirc
16:29 < v-dogg> yes. <parameter name="directory">%core.template_dir%</parameter>
16:30 < _cheerios> 5hrs on a stupid web server change. atleast i got my upload problem solved :<
16:33 < Strzalek_> v-dogg: <ae:parameter name="directory">%core.template_dir%/${module}</ae:parameter>
16:33 < Strzalek_> put this into rendere section
16:33 < Strzalek_> and no changes
16:38 < v-dogg> no, it's layer's parameter
16:38 < v-dogg> <layer name="decorator"><parameter name="directory">%core.template_dir%</parameter>
16:40 < Strzalek_> v-dogg: yesss, but this is for layouts tpl. I want collect all views templates intro one folder
16:40 < Strzalek_> Ahhhhhh
16:40 < Strzalek_> hmm
16:41 < Strzalek_> nah
16:41 < Strzalek_> ;/
16:44 < v-dogg> views templates? what do you mean?
16:45 < _cheerios> i guess, he wants every template in module/NAME/templates to be in SOMEPLACE/templates
16:45 < Strzalek_> v-dogg: I mean change app/modules/${module}/templates/${template}${extenstion} to app/templates/${module}/${template}${extenstion}
16:46 < Strzalek_> _cheerios: more or less, tes
16:46 < Strzalek_> yes
16:49 < Strzalek_> can I set this in configuration?
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16:54 < Strzalek_> v-dogg, _cheerios so?
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16:56 < Strzalek_> hi Whisller leszczu ;)
16:56 < _cheerios> my guess is that you need your own executionfilter for that
16:56 < Whisller> hi Strzalek_ leszczu :P
16:56 < Whisller> Strzalek_: sssijjj ;)
16:56 < Strzalek_> _cheerios: sux
16:57 < Strzalek_> I thing this is worth to add in agavi 1.1
16:57 < Strzalek_> or some relase
16:57 < Strzalek_> could be useful
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17:00 < saracen> _cheerios: Sorry, was watching tv
17:00 < saracen> I just setup an include
17:00 < saracen> lemme pastebinz
17:03 < saracen> _cheerios: http://pastebin.com/m3e01c37c
17:04 < saracen> you can override location / after the include, too
17:05 < _cheerios> ty, the set $root cleaned up what i wanted
17:09 < MrJeep> question
17:10 < MrJeep> I'm validating a hidden field
17:10 < MrJeep> using a custom validator
17:10 < MrJeep> but I wish the error message to be displayed next to another field
17:10 < MrJeep> is there a way to do that ?
17:14 < v-dogg> I still don't get why my solution is not adequate
17:15 < v-dogg> just put it in your content layer
17:15 < v-dogg> there is no "layouts tpl"
17:16 < v-dogg> Strzalek_: just confirmed this
17:17 < v-dogg> <layer name="content" ><parameter name="directory">%core.module_dir%/${module}</parameter></layer>
17:17 < v-dogg> Template "IndexSuccess" could not be found. Paths tried:
17:17 < v-dogg> D:\workspace\camilla.fi\app/modules/Calendar/fi/IndexSuccess.php
17:17 < v-dogg> and so on
17:19 < Strzalek_> Naaahhhh
17:19 < Strzalek_> my fault
17:19 < Strzalek_> ;/
17:21 < Strzalek_> v-dogg: i was setting this in decorator ;)
17:21 < Strzalek_> ;/
17:21 < Strzalek_> thanks
17:28 < _cheerios> saracen, what does the "site config" do?
17:28 < _cheerios> oh, that was just your header... i'll go in the corner now
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17:47 < nfq_> hi MikeSeth 
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18:29 < _cheerios> group emails suck for conversation. people get so riled up it's always a fight
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18:57 < _cheerios> gah. updating swfupload after 2 years and it doesnt work the same way, bleh! :p
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22:08 < Strzalek__> v-dogg: quick tip - sessions in ADT
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22:13 < macen> FPF
22:14 < Rayne> what is adt?
22:16 < DracoBlue> http://adt.projectbin.org
22:16 < DracoBlue> it's agavi development tool(kit?).
22:18 < Rayne> ah, ic
22:18 < Rayne> great
22:18 < DracoBlue> yep ;)
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22:26 < Rayne> is it possible to use the validator to check $_POST data and command line parameters, both (with only one rule)?
22:27 < Rayne> something like `agavi-app.php -user foo -password bar user_add` => variable user = foo, variable password = bar - now as $_POST: $_Post['user'] => variable user, $_POST['password'] => password
22:38 < Rayne> hm, does agavi support a cli mode yet? haven't found anything yet
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22:44 < Rayne> Wombert, <3
22:45 < Rayne> okay, this was weird but i have a question: does agavi have a cli mode yet?
22:45 < Wombert> what's up Rayne 
22:45 < Wombert> 22:26 < Rayne> is it possible to use the validator to check $_POST data and command line parameters, both (with only one rule)?
22:45 < Wombert> 22:27 < Rayne> something like `agavi-app.php -user foo -password bar user_add` => variable user = foo, variable password = bar - now as $_POST: $_Post['user'] => variable user, $_POST['password'] => password
22:45 < Wombert> 22:38 < Rayne> hm, does agavi support a cli mode yet? haven't found anything yet
22:45 < Wombert> yes
22:45 < Wombert> check the sample app
22:45 < Wombert> it has a CLI interface
22:45 < Rayne> oh, i'll check that
22:45 < Rayne> thanks
22:46 < Wombert> when in doubt
22:46 < Wombert> use validation for normalization of data
22:46 < Wombert> that's perfectly adequate and intended
22:47 < Wombert> simply different <configuration> blocks and you're good to go
22:47 < Wombert> 16:56 < Strzalek_> _cheerios: sux
22:47 < Wombert> 16:57 < Strzalek_> I thing this is worth to add in agavi 1.1
22:47 < Wombert> 16:57 < Strzalek_> or some relase
22:47 < Wombert> 16:57 < Strzalek_> could be useful
22:47 < Wombert> ...
22:48 < Wombert> why am I writing release notes if people don't read them
22:48 < Wombert> ...
22:49 < _cheerios> lets call the attention polizei, i hear germans have some left-over facilities *g*
23:01 < impl> :O
23:04 < graste> <:
23:12 < _cheerios> not funny! picked that up from a british comedian.
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07:30 < v-dogg> HUOMENTA!
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10:04 < _cheerios> huomenta
10:05  * _cheerios still angry spending so many hours on lighttpd->nginx move, those hours, i'll never get them back
10:11 < Seldaek> _cheerios: why are you switching anyways ?
10:12 < _cheerios> just to fix a continue:100 bug with flash uploaders
10:13 < Seldaek> huh okay:)
10:14 < _cheerios> small, yet big, problem :<
10:17 < digitarald> _cheerios: flash uploader?
10:17 < digitarald> continue:100?
10:17 < MikeSeth> les burp
10:18 < _cheerios> yeah, lighttpd 1.4 returns http 400, instead of 200
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10:21 < _cheerios> just switched from mogilefs->S3. i'm SO going to get billed end of this month o_O
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10:50 < v-dogg> what kind of data do you store there, if I may ask?
10:53 < Seldaek> porn obviously
10:55 < _cheerios> photos, avatars, favicons
10:56 < Seldaek> is it easy to implement those services ?
10:57 < _cheerios> if you're storing files and don't want to handle infra yourself, S3 is the simplest way to go about it
10:58 < _cheerios> http://code.google.com/p/amazon-s3-php-class/
10:59 < v-dogg> and you pay for storage + transfer?
11:00 < _cheerios> yes
11:00 < _cheerios> its best for backups + small files. anything bigger, you'll want to setup your own front-end caching solution to not transfer your monthly paycheck directly to amazon.
11:01 < _cheerios> ofc, if you're running a business making millions of dollars, the caching solution isn't needed ;)
11:08 < v-dogg> aren't we all :)
11:09 < v-dogg> too bad google and yahoo keep buying us out all the time and we need to come up with even more million dollar ideas
11:10  * _cheerios hides the ramen while going into the soapbox
11:30 < _cheerios> hmm, amazon US storage is 17% cheaper than EU. latencies be damned, that's savings :)
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11:46 < _cheerios> funny when you have numbers straight in your face, you start thinking cost-savings ;)
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12:17 < _cheerios> anyone watched Stewart v Cramer?
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14:07 < _cheerios> trophaeum / saracen, what additional mods do you run w/nginx? im looking at stub_status as one to compile in.
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14:30 < Wombert> [13:17] _cheerios: anyone watched Stewart v Cramer?
14:30 < Wombert> ya
14:30 < Wombert> boring
14:32 < Wombert> 16:56 < Strzalek_> _cheerios: sux
14:32 < Wombert> 16:57 < Strzalek_> I thing this is worth to add in agavi 1.1
14:32 < Wombert> 16:57 < Strzalek_> or some relase
14:32 < Wombert> 16:57 < Strzalek_> could be useful
14:32 < Wombert> ...
14:32 < Wombert> read the damn release notes
14:32 < _cheerios> im still in 0.11
14:35 < Wombert> I mean Strzalek_ 
14:41 < _cheerios> fs. so close, and then on Debian Lenny I can't get spawn-fcgi to work (exit 0, oddly)
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15:01 < WasabiCat> huomenta
15:08 < WasabiCat> I'm wondering on this day of rest whether somebody could suggest a solution to the problem of the user pressing the back button on the browser after posting a message on my web page
15:08 < WasabiCat> if the user presses the back button after successfully posting to the database I redirect to the index page
15:09 < WasabiCat> but if he or she persistenly presses the back button or presses and holds the back button to jump to a previous page he circumvents my redirect system and gets back into the edit-post action
15:10 < WasabiCat> Is there a common way to deal with this? I came up with several solutions, but none that are bullet proof
15:10 < macen> are you asking for a way to brake the browsers back back button?? 
15:10 < macen> send a unique id with the form, when it's "used" store it in the session, if it's there upon re-use, perform some other action
15:17 < WasabiCat> thanks macen 
15:24 < saracen> WasabiCat: After they've successfully edited the post, are you redirect()ing them?
15:24 < WasabiCat> yes
15:25 < saracen> What exactly are you trying to prevent, couldnt they just revisit the edit-post action anyway? ;x
15:28 < WasabiCat> saracen: I guess they could but I'd prefer them to use the buttons that allow them to do it
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15:32 < saracen> You're breaking a browsers feature =(
15:36 < Rayne> top #2 behind "this website is optimized for \"da intarbreak exploder 5.5\"": "do not use the go-back button or you'll break the website" - seen on a huge isp's website
15:39 < saracen> lawl
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15:46 < _cheerios> http://supersinkut.blogspot.com/ :)
15:48 < ttj> WTF?
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15:50 < _cheerios> im in one of the goofs in the pics *g*
15:50 < _cheerios> *s/im in one/im one
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16:45 < _cheerios> spawn-fcgi.c.207: child spawned successfully: PID: 20448 \o/ back in biz
16:45 < Rayne> gratz cherrio
16:46 < Rayne> http://www.disarm.se/data/bildunttext_nsfw/an_cheerio.jpg
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16:53 < _cheerios> haha
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17:22 < macen> hmm
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17:37 < _cheerios> rx200 network driver went berserk :<
17:39 < _cheerios> http://sebastian-bergmann.de/archives/856-Quality-Assurance-Tools-for-PHP.html
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19:22 < graste> huomenta
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20:24 < _cheerios> bleh, getting "Invalid parameter number: number of bound variables does not match number of tokens" on php5.2.9+mysql 5.1 for a query that works fine on 5.2.6+mysql5.0 locally.
20:27 < macen> what's the SQL?
20:28 < macen> i recently upgraded to 5.2 and they added extra keywords that weren't encapsulated in ` `'s 
20:28 < macen> which threw errors
20:29 < _cheerios> a very basic pdo_query("update ? ? ?", array($a,$b,$c))
20:30 < macen> odd
20:30 < macen> i've never seen bound variables in mysql o.O
20:31 < macen> is one null?
20:31 < macen> (the array items)
20:32 < macen> that should all be done before it's sent though
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20:34 < _cheerios> no, all values there
20:34 < _cheerios> http://fi.php.net/manual/en/pdostatement.execute.php
20:38 < _cheerios> omfg. i had to write lulz + 1, instead of lulz+1
20:39 < macen> what??
20:39 < _cheerios> could be some strict standard setting, foo=? doesn't work either, but foo = ? does.
20:39 < macen> that's insane 
20:40  * _cheerios yawns
20:40 < macen> humm
20:40 < macen> i don't get that
20:40 < macen> heh
20:41 < macen> i love that my emarketing software is in spanish 
20:41 < macen> a true reason not to give the customer access
20:42 < macen> "you won't understand it, it's only got a Spanish language pack" "uhh ok"
20:48 < _cheerios> Wombert / trophaeum, you're in the know; any ideas on the above pdo issue?
20:49 < Wombert> no, sorry
20:50  * impl eats Wombert 
20:50 < Wombert> I do not taste good, dude
20:51 < impl> ...
20:51 < Wombert> also, eating people is gay :)
20:51 < impl> did not want to know
20:51 < impl> this
20:51 < impl> :D
20:51 < impl> I'm glad I'm making you as immature as I am, though :D
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20:58 < v-dogg> everplays: oh, you are using propel with agavi?
20:58 < everplays> v-dogg: yep :)
20:59 < v-dogg> then you might want to add ADT into the mix too :)
20:59 < v-dogg> it adds a nice firephp output for that propel logging you were asking about the other day
21:00 < everplays> perfect, i love FirePHP
21:00 < v-dogg> http://www.screencast.com/users/v-dogg/folders/Jing/media/5e9ca907-843d-4616-a9a3-76d7729d0d6f
21:01 < v-dogg> more about ADT: http://adt.projectbin.org/
21:02 < everplays> v-dogg: tnx dude.
21:02  * everplays can debug faster :)
21:04 < v-dogg> bed tiem ->
21:07 < _cheerios> re: my pdo problem, seems i'd just used ->query() where i should've used ->execute() -- query() shouldn't even work with optional params according to php docs.
21:10 < _cheerios> ah, right, im using doctrine here, not pdo directly, and it has the ->query(string, array) syntax. just a doctrine thing, nothing to see here, just another oddity.
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21:23 < _cheerios> and then the good old ////foo///bleh bug I last saw with apache w/agavi. I hope I'll get by with just a regex change
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21:26 < _cheerios> saracen/trophaeum, you don't get extra slashes in your routing w/nginx? If i do domain.com// it keeps the second / and b0rks the routes
21:28 < _cheerios> googled up a snarky response from nginx author ;); if ($request_uri ~ //) { return 404; }
21:28 < impl> crazy Russians
21:32 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Deprecated/0.9/ReleasePlans
21:32 < impl> this stuff is awesome
21:32 < impl> I don't think I'm going to delete it
21:34 < _cheerios> impl, what options were there on the table with mangled urls with /// ? Was it SCRIPT_NAME to look at, or what?
21:34 < impl> let me look at the tkt
21:34 < impl> I thought that was fixed
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21:36 < impl> _cheerios: this what you're seeing? http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/502
21:37 < _cheerios> likely, browsing to // results in http:///my/profile kind of urls being generated
21:37 < impl> Are you using a ridiculously old version of Apache or something?
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21:38 < impl> "I just realized that this is, pretty much, a fix. The only issue left is one where the double slashes appear in an _existing directory_ portion of the URL, which is rarely the case for most applications as they run in the document root - plus, it can easily be fixed with an external redirect. Hooray!"
21:39 < _cheerios> err, that is //my/profile (should check source, not paste what firefox prints me :))
21:39 < _cheerios> im on nginx :)
21:39 < _cheerios> could be some configuration im unaware of. just set it up yesterday.
21:41 < impl> I dunno :P
21:41 < impl> Could just be their Webserver sucks, or our routing sucks with it
21:41 < impl> 17:28:13 < _cheerios> googled up a snarky response from nginx author ;); if ($request_uri ~ //) { return 404; }
21:41 < impl> I like this solution :D
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21:43 < _cheerios> looking at $_SERVER vars for // both apache+nginx look the same
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21:44 < _cheerios> REQUEST_URI for both is //, but it didn't seem to bork apaches routes iirc
21:47 < _cheerios> nginx request_uri // query_string /, i guess that's enough to confuse things. the extra // is kept while making the urls
21:48 < _cheerios> the fix seems like made for this situation, but hmm
21:54 < impl>       if(isset($_SERVER['SERVER_SOFTWARE']) && strpos($_SERVER['SERVER_SOFTWARE'], 'Apache/2.2') !== false) { 
21:54 < impl> could be
21:54 < impl> that just needs to add nginx then
21:58 < _cheerios> impl, http://pastie.org/417138
21:58 < _cheerios> very different results for same url
21:59 < impl> quite
22:00 < impl> I wonder why nginx is cleaning it up so much
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22:01 < _cheerios> added request_uri's to it, forgot
22:02 < impl> We can't depend on REQUEST_URI unless we're... not using a rewrite? I think
22:02 < impl> You'll have to ask Wombert about this
22:03 < Wombert> nono _cheerios 
22:03 < Wombert> you need some other flag there
22:04 < _cheerios> show me the light, Wombert 
22:05 < _cheerios> i tried the same regex i used in lighty, again different results, but not correct
22:05 < impl> http://blog.pastie.org/2009/01/getting-open-with-back-under-control.html This is why I hate OS X and OS X users
22:05 < Wombert> rewrite ^/([^?]*)$ /index.php?/$1 last;
22:05 < Wombert> from http://www.agavi.org/irclogs/agavi-200901.log
22:05 < impl> HURRR I WANT MY MENU TO LOOK PRETTY SO LET ME RUIN THE OPERATING SYSTEM
22:07 < _cheerios> added http://pastie.org/417138 w/same regex as lightys
22:07 < Wombert> _cheerios: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.0/etc/routing/test-case-generator/README
22:07 < impl> _cheerios: that matches lightys then
22:07 < impl> oh wait no
22:07 < Wombert> _cheerios: lighty's rewrite rules won't work
22:07 < impl> I lised
22:07 < Wombert> because lighty has the query string in the rewrite
22:07 < Wombert> nginx hasn't
22:07 < _cheerios> Wombert, that's what I used already
22:07 < Wombert> nginx just appends it like apache does
22:08 < Wombert> then what's the issue
22:08 < Wombert> can we look at that on thursday maybe?
22:08 < _cheerios> broken uris with that one you gave me, same one as i had
22:08 < Wombert> there's a tons of edge acses in the routing
22:08 < Wombert> it needs a rewritten input handling
22:08 < Wombert> for all the web server quirks and bugs
22:09 < _cheerios> pastie update with re's used: http://pastie.org/417138
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22:12 < _cheerios> Wombert, I don't carry a lappy with me, if that's what you meant by thursday. But yeah, I'll try to launch my site next weekend, so got next week to figure this out.
22:14 < Wombert>   rewrite ^/([^?]*)(?:\?(.*))?$ /index.php?/$1&$2 last;
22:14 < Wombert> that producs the trailing &
22:14 < Wombert> there is no query string in the input in nginx
22:15 < _cheerios> URI: /u//jtest -> /u//jtest//login/logout // it just appends the generated routes on the request, hmk.
22:15 < Wombert> the collapsing of //// to / happens on many servers
22:15 < Wombert> it would also happen with PATH_INFO, for instance
22:15 < Wombert> REQUEST_URI doesn't exist on all servers, for instance
22:15 < Wombert> and its different across servers
22:15 < Wombert> on apache it's REWRITE_URL
22:15 < Wombert> etc etc
22:17 < _cheerios> http://pastie.org/417156 these are what im using for fastcgi
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22:20 < _cheerios> haha
22:20 < _cheerios> "PHP Fatal error:  Uncaught exception 'AgaviException' with message 'You are running the Apache HTTP Server with a 'ServerTokens' configuration directive value of 'Minor' or lower."
22:20 < _cheerios> i can't even fake being Apache, agavi calls me out on it.
22:26 < Wombert> Apache/2.2.14
22:26 < Wombert> or so
22:27 < _cheerios> now works as lighttpd, gives agavi 404 due the //
22:28 < _cheerios> and routes get generated normal
22:28 < Wombert> good
22:29 < Wombert> you'll have to generate some test cases once I continue working on that script
22:29 < Wombert> but that's still a couple of weeks away
22:29 < _cheerios> masking nginx as apache2. there's some humor in that.
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22:55 < nfq> Wombert: ping
22:55 < Wombert> your skype died or so, nfq 
22:56 < nfq> Wombert: nah, yours hehe
22:56 < Wombert> I'm on...
22:56 < nfq> restarting 
22:56 < nfq> me too
22:56 < nfq> hehe
22:56 < nfq> fucking skype
22:56 < Wombert> now?
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23:50 < Wombert> nn
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05:46 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:44 < horros> Huomenta.
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06:47 < Wombert> humenta horros 
06:49 < v-dogg> hai gais
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07:13 < MugeSo> huomenta
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08:05 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:08 < MikeSeth> huomenta o/
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08:22 < graste> huomenta
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09:28 < macen> oh ffs
09:29 < macen> stupid colo people removed rDNS of primary server IP
09:29 < macen> DUHH
09:29 < macen> bastards
09:29 < macen> (huomenta) 
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09:34 < mach3_domke> Huomenta
09:36 < mach3_domke> I have a question about the validation XML. in every validator node u have the attribute class. Now i choose number.. My Question is: is -1 a number or a string
09:37 < horros> It's a number.
09:37 < mach3_domke> thx
09:38 < mach3_domke> another question: if i use -1 do i have to use min and max ?!
09:39 < horros> That'd largely depend on what you're trying to accomplish.
09:40 < mach3_domke> ok
09:40 < mach3_domke> i think i don't need it in my example
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10:22 < mach3_domke> is there another Tutorial for agavi, as the tutorial on agaiv.org/docs/tutorial?
10:23 < mach3_domke> Because i need to get at the current Page route
10:24 < horros> mach3_domke: $ro->gen(null)
10:25 < mach3_domke> hmm mybe u missunderstand me :)
10:26 < mach3_domke> i have a Slot. This slot is set in the output types.xml. So now i want to get in the Action the current page, because i want to change the Templates if it is for exaple the index Page
10:30 < mach3_domke> i think i have it :)
10:46 < _cheerios> i'm on a reuters article, atleast my back is *g*
10:48 < _cheerios> http://uk.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUKTRE52F0MS20090316 pic#2
10:58 < graste> <:
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11:26 < MrJeep> it looks like I don't need to put arguments inside an <arguments> tag anymore (validators)
11:26 < MrJeep> same thing for errors
11:27 < MrJeep> and parameters
11:27 < MrJeep> I'm guessing this is the new standard ?
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12:17 < mach3_domke> where can i read something about the metod onMatched?
12:22 < v-dogg> what do you want to know? 
12:22 < v-dogg> API docs: http://www.agavi.org/apidocs/agavi/routing/AgaviRoutingCallback.html
12:23 < v-dogg> source: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.0/src/routing/AgaviRoutingCallback.class.php
12:23 < v-dogg> example: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.0/samples/app/lib/routing/AgaviSampleAppLanguageRoutingCallback.class.php
12:25 < mach3_domke> i want in my Action something like the current page route ..
12:26 < v-dogg> $ro->gen(null) gives you the current URL, $this->context->getAttribute('matched_routes', 'org.agavi.routing') gives you an array of matched routes (remember: more than one route could have been matched)
12:28 < mach3_domke> thx
12:29 < v-dogg> oops. ->context->getRequest()->
12:29 < v-dogg> of course
12:36 < _cher> "Proof of concept: Port Agavi to Python" :p
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12:51 < MrJeep> morning
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13:17 < Treffynnon> i know this isn't the right place to ask, but is anyone able to help me with an annoying Phing build problem I am encountering: http://www.pastie.org/417605   ->  for some reason I cannot work out the build file is Taring the entire disk (/) and not just the directory I thought I was asking it to
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13:23 < v-dogg> validation report expert(s) needed
13:23 < Wombert> wat
13:24 < v-dogg> ADT says my name="dateset" validator failed but $report->byValidator('dateset')->getErrors() gives array(0)
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13:26 < Wombert> maybe it failed without an error message
13:26 < Wombert> $report->byValidator('dateset')->has() ?
13:26 < Wombert> getIncidents() ?
13:26 < v-dogg> has() == true
13:26 < Wombert> then there's incidents
13:26 < v-dogg> yup
13:27 < v-dogg> don't get it, though
13:27 < Wombert> so maybe a bug in ADT, or a bug in the filter
13:27 < Wombert> is there messages?
13:27 < Wombert> do you throw an error, or just return false
13:27 < Wombert> etc
13:28 < v-dogg> it's OR validator without a message. inner validators throw errors but that's not relevant
14:01 < MrJeep> Wombert: is there a place in agavi where all the content of a directory is read ?
14:01 < Wombert> n
14:02 < MrJeep> weird, I had a bug because macosx (I think) was creating files like ._OriginalFileName
14:02 < MrJeep> sending an output before the session could be started
14:03 < MrJeep> resuting in a sh1t load of <?> characters
14:06 < macen> fecking colo goons
14:06 < asonge> i have a new love
14:06 < asonge> and it is erlang
14:06 < macen> "I just double checked the changes, all the others are correct and working, but there seems to have been a typo with the '[main server ip]' record causing it to not work. I'll get that fixed for you, sorry about that. "
14:07 < macen> faill
14:07 < asonge> macen: lol
14:18 < Wombert> bla
14:18 < Wombert> asonge: orly?
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14:23 < asonge> Wombert: yarly
14:23 < asonge> Wombert: it's very nice, there's a couple ways to do web stuff too!
14:24 < asonge> though, imho, there needs to be something more complex like agavi there :)
14:25 < asonge> seems that it's picking up speed, as more people are doing long-polling to get "real time" in the browser
14:25 < asonge> and when threads are cheap, erlang excels
14:30 < macen> yeah but can you make chocolate coffee in your office
14:30 < macen> that's what you should be asking yourself
14:30 < asonge> lol
14:30 < Wombert> !?!?!?!
14:30 < Wombert> asonge: see
14:31 < Wombert> I did that in 2000
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14:31 < Wombert> with XMLHTTPRequest
14:31 < Wombert> to get notified when users closed the browser
14:31 < Wombert> along came 2004
14:31 < Wombert> some moron invents the term "Ajax"
14:31 < asonge> right, but scaling long-polling is a fucking bitch
14:31 < Wombert> along comes 2006
14:31 < Wombert> another moron invents the term "Comet"
14:32 < asonge> Wombert: i just like calling it long-polling...because that's what it is.
14:32 < asonge> the term accurately describes the behavior.
14:32 < asonge> (why do things have to have shiny names?)
14:33 < asonge> i wonder how hard it would be to make a web framework in erlang...the "views" would be very easy to implement
14:35 < Wombert> have you looked at couchdb?
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14:35 < Wombert> (speaking of erlang)
14:36 < asonge> yeah
14:36 < asonge> couchdb is a webservice for mnesia in erlang, hehe
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14:36 < asonge> in erlang, you have native access through mnesia
14:37 < asonge> no need for couchdb there
14:37 < asonge> my first exposure to a purely functional language though...i don't know how much i like that part...it seems to work okay though
14:38 < asonge> no loops and not many constructs at all
14:38  * horros humms
14:38 < horros> Is it friday yet?
14:38 < Xylakant> last thing I heard was today is monday.
14:38 < Xylakant> but that might depend on where you are on this planet
14:39 < horros> Damnit :(
14:39 < Xylakant> you could always define your own time system
14:39 < Xylakant> getting the rest of the world to follow might be a little harder
14:40 < Xylakant> as swatch had to learn with it's internet time...
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14:40 < horros> I don't think Boss would agree that the week would be Friday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Sunday
14:40 < Xylakant> well
14:40 < Wombert> @beat ftw
14:40 < Xylakant> If you ask me: If you work on weekends, fine with me.
14:41 < horros> I don't!
14:41 < horros> I drink heavily on weekends.
14:44 < macen> kek
14:44 < macen> drink heavily on weekdays :>
14:45 < macen> just at night 
14:45 < horros> I'm old. I sleep during the night.
14:46 < macen> how do you get to sleep without beer 
14:46 < macen> this is an impossible task 
14:46 < macen> 10 pints of beer = guaranteed sleep :>
14:47 < Wombert> blah
14:47 < horros> macen: Rather simple. I have 10 pints of lager before I go to bed.
14:48 < macen> i only recently discovered how cheap beer is in the UK
14:49 < macen> *if* you don't buy it at the bar
14:49 < macen> good thing too
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15:09 < Strzalek> <!-- Dear Phing: Go fuck yourself. You fucking worthless piece of shit. -->
15:10 < Strzalek> Love this snippet ;D
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15:42 < MrJeep> I asked something this morning
15:42 < MrJeep> not sure if it has been aswered
15:43 < MrJeep> I've noted there is no more need to put <argument> inside <arguments> (same for errors and ae:parameters) in a validator
15:43 < MrJeep> I was wondering if this is the "new" standard
15:47 < Wombert> it was never necessary
15:47 < Wombert> most plural tags were always optional
15:47 < Wombert> *have always been
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16:59 < _cheerios> seems my amazon order arrived early. if i just had time to read :)
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17:04 < CIA-57> felix * r3918 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/ (17 files in 5 dirs): 
17:04 < CIA-57> - continuing the tutorial rewrite, refs #1063
17:04 < CIA-57> - adds chapters about action execution, validation, error handling, creating new models
17:04 < CIA-57> - reworks other parts to be correct for agavi 1.0
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17:22 < v-dogg> Wombert: could there be some voodoo magic so that ro->gen() would use & instead of &amp; when redirecting?
17:23 < Wombert> let me check if ; is a reserved char
17:23 < Wombert> if yes, then no
17:23 < Wombert> if not, then yes
17:23 < Wombert> but I'm pretty sure it is
17:23 < Wombert> you aware you can use gen options presets for this?
17:23 < v-dogg> sure
17:23  * E_mE just finished his first day at the new job... 
17:23 < v-dogg> or wait, presets?
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17:24 < v-dogg> gen('foo', array(), array('separator'=>'&') is what I do now
17:24 < v-dogg> not really an issue but just thought I'd ask :)
17:25 < Rayne> does agavi have a form creation system equal (or not equal) to Zend_Form? (it is like fpf + validation in one system/package)
17:26 < v-dogg> no
17:27 < v-dogg> agavi has something better: fpf + validation that work with any form creation system you want to use :)
17:27 < graste> ^^
17:28 < Rayne> i wonder if it is possible to create forms dynamic and validate them "manual" (without a static xml validation file) - should be possible?
17:28 < v-dogg> macen is building something like that 
17:28 < Wombert> yeah sure
17:29 < Wombert> you can validate anything "by hand"; of course
17:29 < Wombert> v-dogg: nah
17:29 < Wombert> <parameter name="gen_options_presets">
17:29 < Wombert>   <parameter name="redirect">
17:29 < Wombert>     <parameter name="separator">&amp;
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17:29 < Wombert> (&amp; => & as result)
17:30 < Wombert> then gen('foo', array(), 'redirect')
17:30 < v-dogg> oh, cool
17:30 < v-dogg> no, I wasn't aware of that
17:30 < v-dogg> thanks
17:30 < Wombert> you'd have another, 'email', that also sets 'relative' => false (in fact, you should prolly do that, although agavi will do it for you too)
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17:35  * v-dogg smacks self
17:36 < v-dogg> I'm reading validation gotchas written by me and I still didn't get array validation to work
17:37 < v-dogg> and I was || this close to stabbing Wombert 
17:37 < v-dogg> but then I found a typo :)
17:37 < Wombert> <:
17:37 < v-dogg> (in my code, not the blog article)
17:40 < v-dogg> array exporting (from validators) has issues
17:40 < CIA-57> david * r3919 /branches/1.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
17:40 < CIA-57> Fix #1064: SOAP support's document/literal wrapped marshalling incorrectly wraps SoapFault objects
17:40 < CIA-57> Fix #1065: SOAP support's document/literal wrapped marshalling cannot handle certain empty structs
17:41 < Wombert> v-dogg: really?
17:41 < Wombert> v-dogg: why
17:41 < Wombert> v-dogg: should work fine
17:42 < v-dogg> prolly I just don't know how to use it then :)
17:43 < v-dogg> <arguments base="covnotes[]"><argument/></arguments>
17:43 < v-dogg> and severan inputs name="covnotes[]"
17:43 < v-dogg> how do I export an array with normalized values?
17:44 < v-dogg> <ae:parameter name="export">idpairs[]</ae:parameter> (with or without []) results in:
17:44 < Wombert> for that same key?
17:44 < v-dogg> Fatal error: Cannot create references to/from string offsets nor overloaded objects in
17:44 < v-dogg> Fatal error: Cannot create references to/from string offsets nor overloaded objects in D:\workspace\EcomWebi2.0\libs\agavi\util\AgaviArrayPathDefinition.class.php on line 210
17:45 < Wombert> try just "idpairs"
17:45 < Wombert> I think it creates the same array structure then
17:45 < v-dogg> "(with or without []) "
17:45 < Wombert> there is no way to access the keys at the moment
17:45 < Wombert> oh really?
17:45 < Wombert> hm
17:45 < Wombert> huh-hum
17:48 < CIA-57> david * r3920 /branches/0.11/ (430 files in 3 dirs): updated timezone database to 2009c, closes #1066
17:50 < Wombert> v-dogg: canhas ticket with reproduce case puh-leez?
17:50 < Wombert> then domi can take a look
17:51 < v-dogg> is it ok if I do that on wednesday?
17:51 < v-dogg> I have that demo/plan day tomorrow and I'm still working on last changes :)
17:52 < Wombert> uh
17:52 < Wombert> er
17:52 < Wombert> sure
17:53 < CIA-57> david * r3921 /branches/1.0/ (430 files in 3 dirs): merge [3920/branches/0.11], refs #1066
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18:09 < MrJeep> to whoever might know, is it possible to create a validator wihch will validate (for instance) a hidden field but will display the error message as if an other field triggered the error ?
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19:05 < _cheerios> antti-jussi niemi didn't look to pretty after that tackle on the stretcher :<
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19:17 < _cheerios> btw. any idea what could cause file "corruption" in a sense, that when doing a one liner change, a diff marks the two files completely different?
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19:23 < Wombert> _cheerios: EOL change
19:23 < Wombert> editors do that sometimes
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19:24 < _cheerios> the joys if mixed mac/pc development i guess :<
19:25 < _cheerios> my culprit is textmate, anyone done any settings changes to their textmate when working with svn?
19:31 < _cheerios> need -x --ignore-eol-style but subclipse does not support it seems
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19:40 < _cheerios> or even at svn level, can eols be normalized for this not be an issue?
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20:32 < minima3> huomenta
20:33 < minima3> i got a question :)
20:33 < asonge> then ask :)
20:33 < minima3> i generate links to images with a module
20:33 < minima3> and now i have to cache the "output"
20:34 < minima3> could somebody give me a short example?
20:34 < minima3> i know, that's very short infos, but i u have to know more, please ask
20:35 < asonge> that's something i don't know the answer to...though i think that it's easily possible, considering you set up your output_type's and your cache files correctly
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20:35 < asonge> but i don't really know how the caching system works (completely, anyway)
20:35 < asonge> i'm pretty sure it's generic enough to work with image data
20:36 < minima3> hm ...
20:36 < _cheerios> what are you trying to cache here again?
20:36 < asonge> _cheerios: an image
20:37 < minima3> the logik to put the image to the frontend
20:37 < _cheerios> what does this "logik" consist of that needs caching so much?
20:37 < minima3> there are 2 oder 3 database selects
20:38 < asonge> the image generation is bound to take up more resources than the select statements
20:39 < minima3> i dont know, what i have to cache
20:39 < _cheerios> setup memcached if you need to cache sql queries
20:39 < minima3> but theses are actions, who dont have to go through ever request
20:40 < _cheerios> agavi only does slot+page caching, storing the contents on your filesystem.
20:40 < _cheerios> if such is fine, then look into setting up caching with agavi
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21:22 < macen> yeah, i am
21:22 < macen> slowly but surely 
21:22 < macen> need a project for it to go in :)
21:24 < macen> only just seen ticket 668, though
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21:24 < macen> blah
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21:29 < MrJeep> still no answer to my question :S
21:30 < MrJeep> validating a field, but pushing the error message into another field
21:30 < MrJeep> (to validate a hidden field to be exact)
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21:43 < MrJeep> Wombert: can you help ?
21:45 < DracoBlue> MrJeep, did you tried an OrValidator?
21:45 < MrJeep> no I did not, however, both fields needs to be validated :S
21:46 < DracoBlue> I mean an or validator around one of your fields.
21:46 < MrJeep> well, let me check
21:46 < Wombert> make a validator
21:46 < Wombert> without an error message
21:47 < Wombert> that provides "zomg"
21:47 < Wombert> then second validator on that other field that depends on "zomg"
21:47 < Wombert> and always fails
21:47 < Wombert> that will however remove the argument of the second validator from the request data
21:48 < Wombert> I'm not quite sure why you want the hidden field's error message to be shown next to another field
21:48 < Wombert> wouldn't be above the form or so be enough
21:48 < Wombert> I mean, it's going to be something like "invalid token" or so anyway, right?
21:49 < MrJeep> address validation
21:49 < MrJeep> I have an address, then it's validated by google map
21:50 < MrJeep> the data from google map is encoded in json (as a string) and store inside an hidden field
21:50 < MrJeep> if for some reason the json data is wrong, I want to display the error next to the address field
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21:52 < MrJeep> make sense ?
21:59 < DracoBlue> so, you take the adress as input and a second input: a hidden json field to store the javascript generated json from google map?
22:01 < MrJeep> hehe something like that yeah
22:01 < DracoBlue> Why don't you directly validate the adress by using google maps webservices from php-site?
22:01 < MrJeep> To handle suggestions
22:01 < MrJeep> it's faster
22:01 < DracoBlue> Hmm ok ;).
22:02 < DracoBlue> How about an And-Validator with both fields in then? And the json-one with serverity=SILENT?
22:02 < MrJeep> sound like a good idea
22:02 < MrJeep> Or  I just put the hidden field next to the real field
22:03 < MrJeep> but I'll explore the AndValidator
22:03 < MrJeep> :)
22:03 < DracoBlue> hehe good luck ;)
22:09 < Wombert> that won't associate the error with the field, however
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22:11 < DracoBlue> ah, yes :(
22:17 < DracoBlue> @Wombert: Thank you! Issue solved on windows, hope linux server is the same ugly version :).
22:18 < Wombert> I need to rewrite the entire routing input handling for 1.1, but it's not so trivial
22:18 < Wombert> I'm happy that it works on most cases so far (except some double slashes problems); fixing the current implementation is hard
22:19 < Wombert> anyway, if its resolved, shoot another mail to dev@ so everyone sees the issue is solved :)
22:19 < DracoBlue> yeah, will check the linux server tomorrow - and hope the issue get's sorted ;)
22:20 < DracoBlue> good luck wit your routing ;). Good night everyone.
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23:04 < _cheerios> when could AgaviUploadedFile->move() fail silently?
23:05 < _cheerios> well, found the answer -- when you're uploading something thats bigger than your php settings allow
23:05 < _cheerios> E_ALL doesn't seem to cover that
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23:38 < MrJeep> woot
23:38 < MrJeep> found a way to transfer the validated error
23:38 < MrJeep> change the name of the argument just before throwing the error
23:39 < MrJeep> I guess this will blow up in my face someday
23:39 < MrJeep> but right now it seems to be working
23:51 < _cheerios> trophaeum, im getting wierd nginx behaviour, basically the thing blocks my machine (io blocks?) whenever its dealing with files x_X
23:51 < _cheerios> are there some basic settings to go over?
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05:31 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:54 < ttj> Gossip Girl!
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07:12 < trophaeum> am
07:12 < trophaeum> oop
07:12 < trophaeum> wrong window
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08:10 < horros> Huomenta.
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08:23 < horros> ttj: ping
08:23 < graste> huomenta
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08:50 < ttj> horros: Pong.
08:52 < horros> ttj: You still tagging along with me and Wombie to Turku tomorrow?
08:53 < ttj> Sure.
08:53 < horros> Good. Wombies plane will be at hki-vnt @ 14:15
08:53 < horros> +- a billion hours
08:54 < ttj> Ok. I'll try to get to the airport by ~14:30.
08:55 < horros> Roger.
09:00 < horros> ahahaha!
09:00 < horros> It works! It works!
09:00 < horros> \o/
09:00 < horros> \o\
09:00 < horros> /o/
09:08 < MikeSeth> huomenta
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09:17 < E_mE> Huomenta!
09:19 < impl> SARACEN
09:19 < impl> YOU FUCKED ALL THE FILES YOU EDITED
09:19 < impl> WITH CARRIAGE RETURNS
09:19 < impl> WE DO NOT ACCEPT CARRIAGE RETURNS
09:19 < impl> IN OUR SOURCE CODE
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09:20 < horros> Oh dear!
09:20 < impl> Very much so indeed!
09:20 < impl> well, it could be me. I'm not sure yet. but I think it was saracen. :>
09:21 < impl> and I like yelling at him
09:21 < horros> Best to shift the blame as soon as possible!
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09:21 < impl> Yes, indeed
09:22 < impl> I'm porting the API docs to doxygen because phpDocumentor sucks cocks
09:22 < impl> This might involve editing every file by hand :>
09:24 < impl> mmm, another one with these damned carriage returns edited last by saracen
09:24 < impl> this must be his fault
09:28 < impl> doxygen is quite cool, because a) it's really fast, and b) it can output XML
09:29 < horros> BUT OMG XML IS EWW!
09:29 < horros> FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON!
09:29 < MikeSeth> oh lawd
09:29 < horros> BUT IT'S XML SO IT MUST BE EWW!
09:29 < MikeSeth> poor impl had to run dos2unix on teh files!
09:31 < impl> MikeSeth: actually
09:31 < impl> M-x replace-string C-q C-m RET RET
09:31 < graste> hahaha
09:32 < impl> :x
09:32 < horros> RET RET
09:32 < impl> don't be dissin' on the emacs lingo
09:32 < horros> I'd love emacs if I had like 20 more fingers.
09:33 < horros> Save? Sure! Alt-Meta-Ctrl-Shift-7-A-X-AltGr-£ !
09:33 < graste> <:
09:33 < graste> :wq ftw
09:33 < graste> ESC :wq
09:33 < graste> to be fair
09:34 < horros> ctrl-w <enter>
09:34 < graste> :>
09:34 < MikeSeth> impl: <333333333333333
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10:18 < impl> Changing every file in the Agavi source code takes sooooo longgggg to commit
10:19 < CIA-57> impl * r3922 /branches/impl-doxygen/ (777 files in 51 dirs): Adding experimental branch to test whether doxygen is a viable alternative to phpDocumentor
10:19 < graste> 777 files
10:20  * impl tests olson to make sure it still works
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10:21 < impl> YES I BRANCHED 1.0 AND NOT TRUNK, NO I DON'T CARE
10:24 < Wombert> why are you still up you loony
10:24 < impl> I'm changing my sleep schedule
10:24 < impl> How else am I supposed to wake up for class at noon?
10:27 < CIA-57> impl * r3923 /branches/impl-doxygen/src/translation/data/timezones/ (428 files): Checking timezone auto-generation
10:27 < impl> http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1676/inheritgraph39.png
10:28 < impl> Kinda cool :>
10:29 < graste> pretty clean for an autogenerated graph
10:29 < impl> quite
10:29 < graste> did you just graph everything in /src?
10:30 < impl> Yeah
10:30 < impl> That's not all of it though
10:30 < impl> that's just a chunk
10:31 < graste> well, it's kinda well organized imho - you should do that with some more frameworks ;)
10:32 < impl> On the generated documentation you can click the classnames and it goes to their description
10:32 < impl> it's pretty cool
10:41 < saracen> 09:19:51 < impl> WE DO NOT ACCEPT CARRIAGE RETURNS
10:41 < saracen> 09:19:53 < impl> IN OUR SOURCE CODE
10:41 < saracen> Well, diff should show them, not my fault
10:43 < saracen> wMy dual core mini-itx board shows 4 cores
10:43 < saracen> I'm confused.
10:43 < saracen> -w
10:45 < Wombert> hyperthreading?
10:46 < saracen> Ah, yes :)
10:46  * horros humms
10:47 < horros> Turku tomorrow \o/
10:47 < horros> I haven't been there for the past four years or so!
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10:47 < ttj> Turku si teh roxorz.
10:47 < horros> ttj: I thought you never ventured outside Ring III :P
10:48 < ttj> Well, I'm originally from Salo, which for the sake of simplicity is ~Turku.
10:48 < horros> haha
10:49 < ttj> Actually I think we should just define that Turku = !Helsinki.
10:49 < ttj> But otherwise you're right; I seldom venture outside Ring I. :P
10:49 < horros> Well, !Helsinki == !Helsinki && Helsinki == Helsinki :|
10:53 < ttj> Hmm... Let me rephrase.
10:53 < Wombert> will I recognize you by the lapland burner sign, horros, or should I just call you once I'm through customs and ask you where I should go :p
10:53 < horros> :D
10:53 < horros> I haven't decided if I'ma do a big LAPINPOLTTAJA-sign yet :)
10:53 < Wombert> the latter is prolly easier :p
10:53 < ttj> Oh right, the sign.
10:53 < Wombert> I arrive in terminal 2
10:53 < Wombert> I think
10:53 < Wombert> let me check
10:53 < horros> I see.
10:53 < Wombert> it doesn't say
10:53 < Wombert> but I guess, yeah
10:53 < horros> Mmh, luckily the airport has great big signs saying which planes arrive at which terminal :)
10:53 < impl> horros: Make another sign that says just 'Wombert' on it
10:53 < ttj> Wombert: Checking anything in or just hand luggage?
10:53 < Wombert> hand luggage
10:53 < impl> omg
10:53 < Wombert> I'm checking in right now
10:53 < ttj> Shit.
10:53 < impl> wait until you see how he packs his suitcase
10:53 < ttj> That means I have to be there earlier. :/
10:53 < impl> WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE
10:53 < Wombert> arrival 14:15, so I'll be out 14:30-ish
10:53 < ttj> Yeah.
10:53 < Wombert> 14:45 if I get confused by the signs, which is not unlikely
10:53 < Wombert> 15:00 if I get confused by the signs AND they crack me up constantly
10:53 < Wombert> which is even more likely
10:53 < ttj> I was counting on you checking some luggage in and then the Helsinki-Vantaa airport crew screwing everything up since there's snow outside.
10:53 < Wombert> oh is there
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10:53 < Wombert> now I'm frightened!
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10:54 < Wombert> but
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10:54 < impl> oh wat
10:54 < impl> Chuckwalla come back
10:54 < Wombert> he is there
10:54 < impl> oh
10:54 < impl> so he is.
10:54 < Wombert> anyway
10:54 < Wombert> I must check in quickly
10:54 < ttj> It's amazing; last time I flew in from UK and there happened to be a bit of snow, it took them like 2-3 hours to unload the frickin' bags.
10:54 < Wombert> wat is that website that has airliner infos
10:54 < Wombert> and layouts
10:54 < Wombert> and shit
10:54 < impl> Wombert: 
10:55 < impl> "Initialize this action."
10:55 < impl> or
10:55 < impl> "Initializes this action."
10:55 < Wombert> excellent question, impl
10:55 < Wombert> we discussed this here in ze office the other day I think
10:55 < impl> I like the latter
10:55 < horros> ttj: Ryanfail couldn't get the cargo holds open so my bags took an extra trip Tampere - Stanstead - Riga - Tampere :x
10:55 < Wombert> or did I discuss with you?
10:55 < impl> not with me
10:55 < Wombert> ah http://www.seatguru.com/
10:55 < ttj> horros: Well, that serves people right for flying RyanAir in the first place. :P
10:55 < horros> True :|
10:56 < ttj> But I wasn't too impressed by BA+ground crew for making me sober up in the middle of the night.
10:57 < horros> Finnair sent my bags to like Ulan Bator or somewhere
10:57 < ttj> Haha. :D
10:57 < horros> Was fun to be in Dar es Salaam for two days without a change of clothes :x
10:57 < Wombert> buggers alredy snatched the emergency exit seats
10:57 < ttj> Wombert: :(
10:57 < horros> Wombert: Get some place near the fourth row :)
10:57 < ttj> Wombert: What are you flying? Luftwaffe?
10:58 < horros> You get quickly on, and you're the first people who get off.
10:58 < Wombert> ttj: yup, just got myself the tailgun seat
10:58 < Wombert> horros: oh really :p
10:58 < ttj> :)
10:58 < Wombert> 10C will do
10:59 < Wombert> aces
10:59 < Wombert> done
10:59 < Wombert> :)
10:59 < Wombert> with boarding pass on the phone
10:59 < Wombert> I bet that won't work and I will piss off some business class jackasses with their blackberries
11:04 < horros> And then the plane will be overbooked
11:04 < horros> and there's hard cross winds in helsinki so you can't land!
11:04 < Wombert> but the pilot will land anyway and we slide off the runway
11:05 < horros> and explode in a huge ball of fire
11:05 < Wombert> or he does a go-around and we need to land in... RUSSIA
11:05 < Wombert> omg
11:06 < horros> And then you'll try to reach Moscow but freeze to death :(
11:06 < horros> ye gods I'm tired :(
11:06 < Wombert> "da, da, is no problem, LH3112, runway clear in moment ivan must drive lada away"
11:07 < horros> :D :D
11:08 < ttj> But seriously. A Russian friend of mine was telling me that he was flying on business in Russia in the 90ies and they seriously seated him in the cockpit. The crew had sold a ton of seats "off-the-book" and some people were essentially on the aisles.
11:08 < horros> haha
11:09 < ttj> Unfortunately my friend knew Russian and could understand the discussion in the cockpit where one guy was asking the pilot whether or not he thought they had too much weight to get off the ground before the forest behind the runway.
11:09 < horros> Btw, didn't Soder Aviation try to go fetch some people from lapland in an old Russian military Tupolev without windows?
11:09 < ttj> "Yeah yeah, it will lift off. It always does. Plus we've had more weight and still haven't died."
11:09 < horros> haha
11:10 < ttj> Dunno, but that sounds horrible. :P
11:10 < ttj> Putolev. <3
11:11 < ttj> And what was the other one? Kiljusiin. :P
11:11 < graste> in russia plane lands you
11:12 < Wombert> +soviet :D
11:12 < graste> :c
11:14 < ttj> In Soviet Russia planes don't land; it's your soul that takes off.
11:14 < graste> :>
11:14 < ttj> (And someone else can formulate the grammatically correct version.)
11:14 < graste> doesn't have to be
11:14 < horros> ttj: Ah, sorry, my mistake, they wanted to fly a route between Helsinki and Kittilä with an Antonov An-72 cargo plane :D
11:15 < horros> Fly a passenger route that is.
11:15 < ttj> :P
11:15 < horros> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Antonov_An-72_ES-NOG.jpg
11:15 < horros> The CAA wasn't particularly fond of that idea.
11:15 < horros> :)
11:16 < ttj> I would certainly fly that over BA's 747 and first class. :P
11:16 < horros> I don't think I've flown with BA
11:16 < horros> KLM was nice.
11:18 < impl> Lufthansa gives you a sammich
11:18 < impl> for lunch
11:18 < impl> :>
11:19 < horros> Usually the only thing edible on an airplane is the plastic fork they give you :(
11:19 < impl> It was a pretty good sammich
11:19 < ttj> But fortunately decent airlines will have cute flight attendants who will make sure that you don't sober up.
11:20 < horros> I got a cup of joe and two pieces of chocolate candy on my Finnair flight from Tampere to Helsinki.
11:20 < horros> Mind you, the whole flight takes like 40 minutes :)
11:20 < ttj> Out of which 2 minutes is normal flying and the 38 minutes are takeoffs and landings.
11:20 < horros> Yes :)
11:21 < horros> Malev has pretty decent service.
11:21 < ttj> It's always fun to see youngsters attempt to join the Mile High Club in intra-Europe routes.
11:21 < horros> but the flight attendants' uniforms are horrible :|
11:22 < ttj> A Hungarian friend of mine who lives in Finland flies Malev quite a bit and he was telling me that it was great when Malev joined Oneworld.
11:22 < ttj> They had some problems with the frequent flyer miles.
11:22 < ttj> He always flies with the cheapest tickets, but he used to get miles for first class flights. :P
11:22 < horros> Ah right, they did, didn't they.
11:23 < ttj> Gave quite a nice return on invested money.
11:23 < horros> Hmpf, I haven't travelled anywhere for the past two years :(((
11:23 < horros> Stupid work keeping me stupidly busy.
11:23 < Wombert> [12:19] ttj: But fortunately decent airlines will have cute flight attendants who will make sure that you don't sober up.
11:23 < Wombert> that's the problem with lufthansa
11:23 < Wombert> they are a good employer
11:23 < horros> I think I'ma hop on a plane to Prague and go stay at Hostel Elf for a weekend.
11:23 < Wombert> flight attendants have long-term contracts and good conditions unlike most other airlines
11:24 < Wombert> which also means that there is a chance you get on a flight and they're all dudes
11:24 < Wombert> or old women
11:24 < Wombert> happened to me
11:24 < ttj> :O
11:24 < horros> Oh dear.
11:24 < ttj> I'm so never flying Luftwaffe ever again!
11:24 < Wombert> other airlines have these young hotties
11:24 < horros> Wombert: Except Malev.
11:24 < Wombert> nope
11:24 < Wombert> I've had hot ones on malev
11:24 < horros> http://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/Malev/malev_crew004.jpg
11:24 < horros> :x
11:25 < Wombert> also, malev makes the best sandwiches
11:25 < ttj> There was this fat one on BA last time around. Everytime she came, I had to drink the beer in one go so I could try to get the hotties next.
11:25 < Wombert> well yes okay horros 
11:25 < Wombert> speaking of malev
11:25 < horros> Wombert: Sammiches weren't the issue, the issue was the hotness of the cabin crew :)
11:25 < Wombert> I had a trip there once where I flew from Cluj-Napoca to Bucharest with Carpatair
11:25 < Wombert> in a saab 2000
11:25 < Wombert> turboprop
11:25 < Wombert> it has an active noise cancellation system
11:25 < Wombert> which was broken
11:26 < horros> :D
11:26 < Wombert> so I almost got deaf
11:26 < ttj> :P
11:26 < ttj> Sounds like an experience.
11:26 < Wombert> and that very plane, two weeks ago, did a nice crash landing somewhere in romania
11:26 < Wombert> comforting :)
11:26 < ttj> Haha. :D
11:26 < graste> haha
11:26 < Wombert> well okay they have three of those, so maybe it was not the exact same one
11:26 < horros> haha
11:27 < Wombert> http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/03/01/323238/video-carpatair-saab-2000-captured-landing-without-nose-gear.html
11:27 < ttj> But apparently the most frightening airlines can be found from Africa.
11:27 < ttj> They can occasionally even land on the right runway. But that's the exception to the rule.
11:27 < horros> Ah, YES!
11:28 < horros> Finnair has gotten rid of them pesky ATR-72s!
11:28 < Wombert> I'll never fly with a finnish airline
11:28 < Wombert> finnish is too verbose a language
11:28 < Wombert> in case of emergency
11:28 < Wombert> the words are too long to communicate quickly
11:28 < Wombert> so you'll crash
11:28 < Wombert> do not want
11:28 < horros> Hungarian is too.
11:29 < Wombert> true
11:29 < Wombert> I had no choice tho
11:29 < ttj> There's always a choice: BMW M3 and driving really quickly.
11:29 < Wombert> not really
11:29 < horros> ttj: Like driving @ 850km/h?
11:29 < Wombert> because you park it in romania, get out, look turn around, then turn around again, and it's gone
11:29 < ttj> horros: Yes.
11:29 < Wombert> :)
11:30 < ttj> Wombert: Drive it into the lobby of the office.
11:30 < horros> Man, I love flying.
11:30 < horros> <3
11:30 < ttj> I hate flying. I'm too tall to enjoy it.
11:30 < Wombert> I don't. too tall
11:30 < Wombert> ya
11:30 < Wombert> well its okay, but there's nicer things
11:31 < horros> If I have to travel, say, 3500km, I sure as hell prefer flying over car+train+boat
11:31  * graste thinks that flying is like going by bus - at least in economy class
11:31 < horros> Pretty much
11:32 < horros> except it's 8304958608x faster
11:32 < horros> and there's a better view
11:32 < Wombert> also, you need to drink too much tomato juice or the AC kills you
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11:34 < graste> well the view _could_ be nice - when I flew over the himalaya they dimmed the lights and closed the window blinds to make everyone sleep as they thought that would be the correct thing to do...
11:35 < graste> branches of the himalaya, anyway
11:37 < CIA-57> impl * r3924 /branches/impl-doxygen/src/build/doc/: This is not, nor was it ever, needed, really
11:39 < horros> unnecessary, comma.
11:39  * horros sniggers
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11:44 < impl> it's not unnecessary
11:44 < impl> There's a word for what that is called but I can't remember what it is
11:45 < impl> Begins with an 'a'
11:46 < saracen> analwagon
11:46 < impl> Real mature.
11:46 < impl> :D
11:46 < saracen> OH
11:46 < saracen> OH OH
11:46 < saracen> You're ugly.
11:46 < impl> Yeah I know
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11:47 < saracen> =(
11:47 < saracen> You need to talk to some girls to give you a make over
11:47 < saracen> Washing your hair, few snips
11:47 < saracen> It works wonders
11:47 < impl> plz, no
11:47 < impl> I can wash my own hair
11:47 < saracen> I cant actually remember what you look like =(
11:48 < saracen> You *can* but *do you*?
11:48 < impl> I'm not disgusting, sir.
11:48 < Wombert> he's not richard stallman
11:48 < saracen> Oh come on, whats with the lack of multiple word emphasis
11:48 < Wombert> he showers every morning
11:48 < Wombert> I think
11:48 < impl> actually I need to pick up more shampoo today
11:48 < Wombert> at least he didn't smell last time
11:48 < impl> thx for reminding me
11:48 < impl> asshat.
11:49 < horros> I rarely use shampoo.
11:50 < saracen> Thats because you're not worth it
11:50 < impl> do they have many words for hair-washing-products it in Finnish?
11:50 < impl> s/it//
11:50 < horros> saracen: No, that's because my hair is so short I don't need to use shampoo.
11:50 < horros> impl: Not really.
11:50 < impl> mmm, you should.
11:51 < Wombert> FINNS HAVE A HUNDRED WORDS FOR SNOW
11:51 < Wombert> :
11:51 < Wombert> :ugly:
11:51 < horros> And 492 words for booze!
11:51 < impl> module
11:51 < impl> project
11:51 < impl> wtf
11:52 < impl> (I wanted to see whether they were the same length, sorry.)
11:52 < saracen> http://www.loreal-paris.co.uk/_en/_gb/home/index.aspx
11:52 < saracen> they dont even have their main slogan up
11:52 < horros> "The interesting thing to note is that the text inside the link is not actually an attribute, rather it.s a a separate child node within the A element."
11:52 < horros> Ummm
11:53 < horros> It's not interesting at all.
11:53 < horros> Idiots.
11:53 < horros> :x
11:53 < impl> Some people are just discovering what the DOM is, horros 
11:53 < impl> let them be
11:53 < horros> Hmm.
11:53 < horros> Perhaps.
11:53 < saracen> Who's Dom?
11:54 < horros> saracen: A fat italian.
11:54 < impl> British humor, it never gets old!
11:54 < saracen> It usually gets laughs though, americunt.
11:54 < horros> One word: Benny Hill.
11:54 < horros> :x :x :x
11:54 < saracen> He's an american import
11:54 < saracen> He just hasn't told anybody
11:55 < horros> Slap the bald guy over the head, run around in circles chasing each other, women's clothes fall off
11:55 < horros> Hilarity ensues.
11:55 < horros> :x
11:55 < Wombert> MEMCACHED
11:55 < saracen> I'd watch Benny Hill over Eddie Murphy any day
11:55 < Wombert> WHY ART THOU NOT WORKING
11:56 < horros> saracen: I'd rather stick red hot needles in my eyeballs than watch either of them.
11:56 < horros> Now Allo, Allo! THAT was brilliant!
11:56 < saracen> Why should dressing up as a bunch of fat people ever be funny. Especially in American, he could have hired any american and avoided dressing up.
11:57 < saracen> -n
11:57 < impl> fuck how does this build system have so many fucking tasks
11:57 < impl> jesus fucking christ
11:57 < horros> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF_cB9AfNKA
11:57 < horros> :D
11:57 < saracen> But would he?
11:58 < saracen> haha horros 
11:59 < horros> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBharndqLNA&feature=related
11:59 < horros> Herr Flick <3
12:01 < horros> ze good news is zere is no more bad news!
12:03 < saracen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45HfdGs5oXo&NR=1
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12:14 < CIA-57> impl * r3925 /branches/impl-doxygen/src/ (73 files in 11 dirs): API documentation port to doxygen format for src/action and src/build
12:16 < Wombert> impl: there's one or two things doxygen can't do
12:16 < Wombert> but I don't remember what it was
12:16 < Wombert> brb
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12:40 < MrJeep> Wombert: I managed to find a way to thow the error of a validator on an other validator
12:40 < MrJeep> however
12:40 < MrJeep> you'll probably slap me in the face
12:40 < MrJeep> http://www.pastie.org/418636
12:40 < MrJeep> but I can handle it
12:46 < saracen> but have you ever been slapped in the face before?
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12:47 < Wombert> uhm
12:47 < Wombert> $this->throwError('name', 'field'); should work fine
12:47 < Wombert> or something in that direction
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12:51 < MrJeep> saracen: yeah, many times ! :D
12:51 < MrJeep> Wombert: I'll take a look
12:56 < saracen> MrJeep: Slapped by a german? It's completely different, you have to watch out for their tentacles.
12:56 < impl> Wombert: it can't do parameter types unless they are array/an object type
12:56 < impl> Wombert: that's the only limitation I've found so far
12:56 < Wombert> impl: pardon?
12:56 < impl> Wombert: doxygen
12:57 < Wombert> impl: one important thign... it has different syntax. does this syntax work with IDEs
12:57 < Wombert> in some parts
12:57 < impl> man fuck your IDEs
12:57 < Wombert> ...
12:57 < impl> It uses Javadoc
12:57 < saracen> YOUR EYE DEE EEES
12:57 < impl> but instead of @param string Foo
12:57 < impl> you do
12:57 < impl> @param $name Foo
12:57 < Wombert> extremely gay. why.
12:57 < Wombert> why name the arg. it's in the bloody signature
12:57 < Wombert> also
12:58 < impl> well
12:58 < Wombert> how do I know that it's a string then?
12:58 < Wombert> also
12:58 < MrJeep> saracen: ahhaha
12:58 < impl> dude
12:58 < Wombert> classes?
12:58 < Wombert> also
12:58 < impl> wtf "classes?"
12:58 < impl> it's designed for C++
12:58 < impl> of course it supports classes
12:58 < Wombert> @param ArrayObject[] An array of objects
12:58 < Wombert> would be sweet
12:58 < impl> No
12:58 < Wombert> yes
12:58 < Wombert> anyway
12:58 < impl> It doesn't do that
12:58 < Wombert> I have stuff to do
12:58 < Wombert> laters
12:58 < impl> and phpDocumentor sucks
12:59 < impl> this takes less than 10 seconds to generate the entire docs
12:59 < impl> because it caches shit
12:59 < impl> without the cache
12:59 < impl> it's about 20 seconds
12:59 < graste> doc generation time is not important :p
12:59 < impl> and it generates tree hierarchies
12:59 < impl> and it looks nicer
12:59 < saracen> I have a feeling you're making these numbers up, impl.
12:59 < impl> and it's easier to navigate
13:01 < impl> and it outputs XML
13:01 < impl> so we can transform it using XSL
13:01 < impl> into anything we want
13:01 < impl> so
13:01 < impl> doxygen wins
13:01 < impl> screw you
13:01 < impl> sir
13:01 < _cheerios> VR tickets for agile day booked. i have to wake up at like 05 :<
13:01  * impl -> breakfast -> class
13:02 < horros> I think Wombert's point is valid. What happens to IDE autocomplete support if you port the code comments to doxygen format?
13:02 < impl> horros: doxygen supports @foo
13:02 < impl> it can use either one
13:03 < Wombert> yes, we can transform to DITA, which is very important
13:03 < Wombert> that's quite good
13:03 < Wombert> still, impl, please compile a list of drawbacks compared to phpdoc
13:03 < Wombert> and also the changes in syntax
13:03 < Wombert> also
13:03 < Wombert> good work
13:03 < Wombert> :)
13:04 < saracen> impl is a tool, don't compliment his work =(
13:04 < saracen> it's work*
13:04 < saracen> its* work*
13:05 < horros> but but but
13:05 < horros> if doxygen does @param $foo Foo
13:05 < horros> and phpdoc does @param Foo $foo
13:05 < horros> It'sa gonna break :(
13:06 < saracen> thats not what impl said it does
13:06 < saracen> @param foo desc vs, @param $foo desc
13:08 < Wombert> the $blah is so totally fucking unnecessary
13:08 < Wombert> what idiot came up with that
13:08 < Wombert> it's in the bloody method signature
13:08 < saracen> It wouldnt be if you did the comments for each param out of order =), but I agree
13:09 < MikeSeth> if I write an adapter for jqgrid, anyone wants it?
13:10 < horros> saracen: Regardless, It'll break.
13:11 < saracen> I know it's not a great aolution, but can't you just parse the source files and generate doxygen compatible comments, seeing as there isn't that much of a difference - and gain the best of both worlds.
13:11 < horros> Pardon?
13:12 < horros> I'm talking about IDE code completion.
13:14 < saracen> I know, it was a not-so-related comment
13:14 < saracen> On how to generate all the fancy doxygen stuff
13:15 < Wombert> yeah, that'd be the last resort thing, saracen 
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13:15 < Wombert> quite impressive that it takes 10s to generate docs
13:15 < saracen> doxygen makes sense for C++, as obviously the type is also in the method signature.
13:15 < Wombert> fucking phpdoc uses half a gig of memory or so and takes 15 minutes
13:15 < horros> Wombert: Yes, but umm, so what? 
13:17 < Wombert> its annoying
13:17 < Wombert> plus doxygen generates xml which we can transform to dita
13:17 < Wombert> which means
13:17 < horros> annoying > non-working IDE code completion imo
13:17 < Wombert> we can freely link from manuals to api docs etc
13:17 < horros> :|
13:17 < Wombert> yes, that's not gonna happen tho
13:17 < horros> err, the other way around
13:17 < horros> or something.
13:17 < Wombert> regardless of what impl says
13:17 < Wombert> working code completeion is prio #1
13:17 < horros> But yeah, if code completion stops working, I will cry a crocodile tear.
13:18 < _cheerios> Jone Nikula giving entrepreneur well-being speech 24.3, I'm going *g*
13:18 < horros> Then, once I'm done, I'll hop on a plane, go to see impl and give him a royal beating.
13:18 < horros> _cheerios: Oh dear.
13:18 < horros> Sounds like a Sarasvuo-speech.
13:19 < horros> I'm surprised Nikula doesn't give a speech on the essence of being an Äijä and how day-to-day äijänism can improve your life.
13:19 < saracen> Can't phpDocumentor output xml? ;x
13:22 < horros> It can output docbook afaik.
13:22 < horros> But Wombert hates DocBook
13:22 < horros> Or something
13:23 < Wombert> docbook is useless
13:23 < horros> I have an idea!
13:24 < horros> We make impl write some docbook -> dita xlst!
13:24 < saracen> He'd enjoy it
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13:33 < digitarald> Huomenta
13:36 < Wombert> srsly, the dita stuff will be big
13:36 < Wombert> I hope it'll gain some traction
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13:42 < MikeSeth> Working code completion for what?
13:42 < Wombert> for IDEs
13:42 < MikeSeth> with eclipse/pdt its quite easy to troll eclipse to do agavi code completion
13:42 < Wombert> it's not necessary
13:42 < MikeSeth> you need to feed it some .php files
13:42 < Wombert> you add agavi to the lib and done
13:42 < Wombert> it reads the phpdoc blocks
13:42 < Wombert> but that's the point
13:42 < horros> mmh.
13:43 < horros> doxygen != phpdoc => no working IDE code completion
13:43 < Wombert> if doxygen requires different syntax
13:43 < MikeSeth> yeah it works out of the box with my projects
13:43 < Wombert> that pdt can't read
13:43 < Wombert> then its useless
13:43 < Wombert> but I don't think that'll happen
13:43 < Wombert> horros: nono
13:43 < Wombert> horros: *maybe*
13:43 < graste> :>
13:44 < horros> Wombert: Should be solved with a quick test :)
13:44 < horros> phpdoc does @param type Description 
13:44 < horros> doxygen does what? @param $name Description?
13:44 < graste> hehe: http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=144544
13:44 < Wombert> phpdoc also supports @param $name type desc
13:44 < Wombert> or so
13:45 < Wombert> graste: oh noes
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13:45 < horros> Wombert: So doxygen does @param $name type desc ?
13:46 < horros> I can't seem to make heads or tails out of doxygen.
13:46 < horros> I'm having teh stupid again today it seems :|
13:46 < graste> :\
13:47 < Wombert> horros: I have no ides
13:47 < Wombert> *idea
13:48 < graste> it would suck, if IDE completion stops working
13:48 < graste> not that I use it very often, but anyways
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13:49 < Ox40Work> Hey, can Agavi (practically and legally) be packaged in one zip file with a redistributable application.
13:51 < Wombert> uhm
13:51 < Wombert> of course!?
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13:53 < MikeSeth> it should probably work with loadable PEAR archives as well
13:54 < Wombert> just put agav/src somewhere
13:54 < Wombert> include agavi.php from there
13:54 < Wombert> done
13:54 < Wombert> and bundle the license info etc somewhere
13:54 < Wombert> agavi does not need to be on the include path, or in a specially named folder or anything
13:59 < Ox40Work> well, I know that apache is run kinda like... not a 'module' but...
14:00 < horros> Eh?
14:00 < Ox40Work> Well, its not like zend.
14:00 < Wombert> what does that have to do with it?
14:00 < Wombert> zend?
14:01 < Ox40Work> ZendFramework you just include a /framework/ directory in your source and you are done.
14:01 < Ox40Work> In my install, agavi is... 'nowhere near my webroot'
14:01 < Wombert> and what does that have to do with apache?
14:01 < Wombert> then change that
14:01 < Wombert> ...
14:01 < Wombert> what's the problem?
14:01 < Ox40Work> Just saying, in my installation, I cant just package up my webroot and send it somewhere.
14:01 < Ox40Work> Im talking about starting a new app...
14:01 < horros> ...
14:01 < Ox40Work> And what I would do to make sure it is all in one directory
14:01 < Wombert> you can do it with a ten year old app, too
14:02 < Ox40Work> So, where would I put the agavi framework files?
14:02 < Wombert> whereever you want?
14:02 < Wombert> ???
14:02 < Ox40Work> lol
14:02 < Wombert> jesus
14:02 < Wombert> christ
14:02 < Wombert> make a libs/ folder in your project, for instance
14:02 < Wombert> dump agavi in there
14:02 < Ox40Work> then reference it from _______(where)___________
14:03 < Ox40Work> Like, how do I make my app know where the libs are?
14:03 < Wombert> from your pub/index.php do include('../libs/agavi/src/agavi.php'));
14:03 < Wombert> WHAT IS THE PROBLEM
14:03 < Wombert> oh my
14:03 < Ox40Work> THANK YOU
14:03 < Wombert> ...
14:03 < Wombert> look at index.php
14:03 < Ox40Work> -_-
14:03 < Wombert> it's not that hard
14:03 < Wombert> also
14:03 < Wombert> the sample app does the same thing (just with a different folder level)
14:03 < Wombert> and as I suggested 12 minutes ago
14:03 < Wombert> use only src(
14:04 < Wombert> src/
14:04 < Wombert> and put the license files elsewhere
14:04 < Wombert> I mean, you're a programmer, surely you can figure this out yourself
14:04 < Ox40Work> Well, here is where I stand: I have only my recollection of how things are layed out on my server.
14:05 < Wombert> right
14:05 < Wombert> but that doesn't matter
14:05 < Ox40Work> I have no internet access at home to experiment with, and currently have no access to 'look around'.
14:05 < Wombert> because if you look at index.php
14:05 < Wombert> i's immediately obvious
14:05 < Ox40Work> So, I was trying to ask a simple question...
14:05 < Ox40Work> and you basically answered it
14:05 < Wombert> great!
14:05 < Ox40Work> :D
14:05 < Ox40Work> Was it good for you too?
14:05 < Wombert> it was fantastic
14:05 < Wombert> made my day
14:05 < Wombert> now back to work
14:05  * Wombert &
14:06 < Ox40Work> :D
14:08 < E_mE> mmmm twix nom nom :D
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14:12 < Ox40Work> ummmm twix?? :| *grab*
14:13 < E_mE> Twix Chocolate bar Ox40Work ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twix
14:14 < Ox40Work> yeah, i live in the US. ;) I know what twix is.
14:14 < Ox40Work> It was more of a "HOLY COW you have a TWIX?!"
14:14 < E_mE> ja :)  made by mars
14:14 < Ox40Work> mars?
14:14 < Ox40Work> I didnt think they were still in business
14:15 < E_mE> think they are owned by Nestle 
14:15 < E_mE> one mo
14:15 < Ox40Work> ah
14:16 < E_mE> i cant be bothered to find out hehe
14:18 < Xylakant> I still remember the days that Twix was called Raider around here...
14:18 < Xylakant> from time to time you can still get them, that way they can keep the brand name
14:20 < Xylakant> used to eat those for lunch break in school...
14:20 < Seldaek> really ? haven't seen raiders in ages
14:20 < Seldaek> a shame really
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14:28 < Wombert> mars is not owned by nestle afaik
14:30 < graste> wtf does wikipedia know everything? who writes these entries =) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars,_Incorporated
14:30 < Wombert> yeah
14:30 < Wombert> they also make pedigree!
14:30 < Wombert> and kitekat
14:30 < Wombert> and cesar, owwwww, with the cute white dog
14:30 < Wombert> owwwwwwwww
14:31 < horros> Eww pedigree, kitekat and cesar :<
14:31 < horros> Also, eww Mars bars :(
14:38 < saracen> WHY WONT IT WORK
14:41 < saracen>  * Starting domain name service... bind9                                                                                                                                                                                               [fail]
14:41 < saracen> tell me why
14:42 < horros> Look at the logs?
14:45 < saracen> there doesnt appear to be any
14:45 < E_mE> hehe the company i work for runs smallr.com
14:48 < saracen> http://smallr.com/95l =)
14:48 < E_mE> oh your the culprit
14:49 < saracen> nevar
14:49 < asonge> lmfao.
14:49 < saracen> It just accidently happened
14:49 < E_mE> not falling for your recursive links ;)
14:49 < Seldaek> I tried that many times with different url shorteners
14:49 < Seldaek> never found any where it worked
14:49 < Seldaek> :(
14:50 < saracen> Seen examples of it before
14:50 < saracen> simple incrementing urls :)
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14:50 < Seldaek> yeah well what I was trying to do is use services where you can name urls
14:51 < Seldaek> and point blah.com/recursion to itself
14:51 < Seldaek> but they don't allow that :/
14:51 < saracen> ha :P
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14:52 < saracen> "Redirection limit for this URL exceeded"
14:52 < saracen> I wonder what happens if I chain a bunch of them
14:52 < saracen> then redirect to the original
14:52 < Seldaek> yeah 
14:52 < Seldaek> I did it with liip.to/recursion 
14:52 < Seldaek> which goes to tinyurl and back
14:53 < Seldaek> but at some point it stops I'm not sure if it's the browser or what
14:53 < Wombert> it does, at least with safari
14:53 < saracen> yeah, stops here too
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14:53 < Wombert> quick NOMNOM, bbiab
14:54 < saracen> http://smallr.com/95o - I think thats a link of about 10
14:54 < saracen> still does it
14:55 < saracen> I'll stop now E_mE, sorry :)
14:55 < E_mE> hehe I can your games ;D my eyes are everywhere ;D
14:55 < E_mE> see*
14:56 < saracen> =)
14:59 < impl> 09:08:25 < saracen> It wouldnt be if you did the comments for each param out of order =), but I agree
15:00 < impl> I already found one method
15:00 < impl> that was wrong
15:00 < impl> btw
15:00 < impl> Granted, I wrote it to begin with
15:00 < saracen> WUT
15:00 < impl> but it was still wrong
15:00 < impl> so
15:00 < impl> fuck you
15:00 < saracen> What?
15:00 < impl> also what is with this "omg it's not going to work in Eclipse bullshit"
15:00 < saracen> WHAT?
15:00 < impl> you guys haven't even tried it
15:00 < saracen> WHAT?
15:01 < saracen> Are your comments and the thing you pasted related at all?
15:01 < impl> Yes
15:01 < saracen> Explain
15:01 < impl> one method had the @param's out of order
15:01 < impl> or rather, was missing an @param in the middle
15:01 < macen> huomenta
15:01 < saracen> where?
15:01 < saracen> stfu macen
15:01 < saracen> REAL MEN BE TALKING
15:02 < impl> src/build/agavi/script/AgaviOptionParser.class.php
15:02 < saracen> trac me
15:02 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/build/agavi/script/AgaviOptionParser.class.php#L296
15:04 < saracen> Oh, i actually know what youre on about now
15:04 < saracen> anyway, the problem is phps hint typing
15:04 < saracen> So I think you should just go a head with it, and when people complain that their IDEs are shit
15:04 < saracen> inform them, that likewise, so is PHP
15:04 < E_mE> properbly wouldn't happen in emacs ;D
15:06 < macen> how are you guys using phpdoc for code completion ?
15:06 < macen> i don't get it :x
15:07 < saracen> impl: Even though I know macen isn't ignoring me at client-level. Can you tell him I said stfu.
15:07 < macen> oh, the code comment thing
15:07 < impl> macen: saracen says stfu.
15:07 < macen> haha
15:07 < macen> i unignored him for a brief second
15:08 < saracen> Funny that.
15:08 < saracen> You seem to always have me unignored for brief seconds when it matters
15:08 < macen> lolk
15:08 < macen> (no really, that was funny)
15:09 < saracen> (wait, what does this do? Is this where I should insert messages people don't care about)
15:09 < saracen> (does irssi support this?)
15:09 < macen> back on ignore
15:10 < macen> that was fun and extremely confusing
15:10 < macen> but meh
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15:34 < horros> yay home!
15:34 < Wombert> lazy finns
15:34 < Wombert> now, really, OMNOM
15:34 < horros> office a few hours tomorrow in the morning and then no more office until monday!
15:34 < Wombert> there was a meeting in between I almost forgot about :>
15:34 < horros> How win is that!
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15:43 < Ox40Work> lawl
15:43 < Ox40Work> liip.to/recursion
15:43 < Ox40Work> you can just watch the browser go what... the ... fu-what... the...fu-what...the...fu-wh...
15:44 < impl> Iceweasel has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.
15:44 < impl> My browser is smarter than your browser.
15:44 < Ox40Work> impl: "Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete."
15:44 < impl> well it's certainly not WTFing then
15:44 < Ox40Work> Your brower is my browser
15:44 < Ox40Work> but, watch the status bar.
15:44 < Ox40Work> ;)
15:44 < impl> ...
15:44 < impl> yes
15:44 < impl> no shit
15:44 < impl> it's redirecting.
15:44  * Ox40Work hugs impl
15:45 < Ox40Work> Did you get ur elephpants yet?
15:45 < impl> No, but they should be shipping.
15:45 < impl> (to me)
15:45 < Ox40Work> yeah
15:45 < Ox40Work> Sweet. :)
15:45 < Ox40Work> Mine have 'impl hates Ox40' scribbled all over them :]
15:45 < impl> No, but I'll include a special present for you.
15:46 < Ox40Work> it better not be a bag of poop.
15:46  * horros suspect poo
15:46 < Ox40Work> lol
15:46 < horros> :D
15:46 < impl> :<
15:46 < impl> it's rly not!
15:46 < horros> Anyway
15:46 < horros> I'ma go watch some ST:TNG before missus gets home and starts yelling at me.
15:47 < Ox40Work> :p
15:47  * Ox40Work wonders what his special present will be
15:57 < MikeSeth> aww sttng
16:01  * MikeSeth ponders erlang & haskell
16:02 < asonge> MikeSeth: i'm learning erlang now!
16:02 < MikeSeth> erlang is awesome
16:02 < asonge> it is
16:02 < MikeSeth> especially when you need to do realtime stuff
16:02 < asonge> i already don't like erlyweb though
16:02 < MikeSeth> havent looked yet
16:02 < asonge> yeah, i've got an irc bot written in it already
16:02 < MikeSeth> but patter-based binding - awesome!
16:02 < asonge> erlang, not erlyweb
16:02 < MikeSeth> pattern*
16:02 < asonge> oh, yeah
16:02 < asonge> and you can use guards and stuff
16:03 < asonge> the messaging is also extremely simple
16:03 < asonge> the threading implementation in erlang is amazing
16:04 < asonge> well, "processes"
16:04 < asonge> but you can communicate between machines the same way you can communicate between threads/processes...to erlang, it doesn't matter if you're on the same cpu or core or machine
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16:42 < saracen> Didnt somebody list the minimum dependancies for agavi once? can has?
16:43 < Wombert> bog standard php install
16:43 < Wombert> xsl for config BC is optional
16:43 < saracen> need moar specifics
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16:44 < saracen> like, it requires libxml and such
16:50 < graste> browse the last commits of felix - think the tutorial has some more specifics
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17:20 < MikeSeth> im prett sure we documented it somewhere
17:24 < saracen> google picks up nothing, I havent yet searched the commits
17:24 < saracen> Im lazy
17:25 < graste> !
17:26 < saracen> Dont you ex-clam-ation-mark-me.
17:26 < saracen> =(
17:27 < graste> http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/3917
17:29 < saracen> graste: I love you.
17:31 < saracen> So, libxml, dom, SPL, Reflection, pcre?
17:33 < graste> pcre's important
17:33 < graste> and the others as well :p
17:34 < saracen> =)
17:44 < MikeSeth> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5005118/Computer-programmer-from-Finland-has-lost-finger-replaced-with-USB-drive.html
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17:45 < _cheerios> gaah. i need a newer kernel version pronto, this wireless problem (goes down all the time) is causing me hairloss :<
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17:49 < Wombert> mmmm stampede protection
17:49 < _cheerios> 80K dl's and my mouse cursor starts to go wonky, jeez ubuntu fail :<
17:58 < v-dogg> Wombert, horros ping pong
17:59 < Wombert> wa hapen v-dogg 
18:00 < v-dogg> what's the plan for tomorrow
18:00 < Wombert> uh
18:00 < Wombert> we arrive
18:00 < Wombert> hm
18:00 < Wombert> how long is the drive?
18:01 < Wombert> 2hrs?
18:01 < Wombert> 3hrs?
18:01 < Wombert> sometime between 5 and 6 we arrive, I guess
18:01 < Wombert> I'll check in at the hotel first
18:01 < Wombert> and then we guys meet for dinner or wat?
18:01 < v-dogg> <2 hrs from the airport unless there's lots of traffic (which is very likely between 15 and 17)
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18:02 < Wombert> okay so we're there no later than 6
18:02 < v-dogg> cool
18:04 < saracen> where you guys going?
18:05 < Wombert> the land of the weirdos
18:05 < Wombert> I'm just going to see the word "saippuakivikauppias" in person
18:05 < saracen> Germany?
18:05 < Wombert> :>
18:05 < Wombert> no, finland
18:06 < saracen> Ah ha :)
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18:26 < shrink0r> huomenta
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18:31 < Rayne> offtopic, but wtf: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Bulletproof-JavaScript-Detection.aspx
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18:35 < shrink0r> :D
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18:55 < Whisller> evening
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19:13 < horros> Wombert: *nudge*
19:14 < Strzalek_> Ok, don't have ideas what's wrong
19:14 < Strzalek_> http://pastie.org/419033
19:14 < horros> Wombert: I'll be at the airport at around 1400 hours, and will be waiting for you where you exit from the border check/customs thingie.
19:15 < Wombert> okies
19:15 < horros> Wombert: red boots, jeans, harrington jacket, short hair.
19:15 < horros> :)
19:15 < Wombert> red boots, that should be easy then :p
19:15 < horros> yessir :)
19:15 < Wombert> I'll try and wear a red scarf, black coat
19:15 < Wombert> glasses, tall
19:15 < Wombert> :p
19:15 < horros> Roger that :)
19:15 < Wombert> fuck it, I'll call you before I go through the door
19:15 < horros> Roger that :)
19:15 < Wombert> and make you jump around and wave arms
19:15 < Strzalek_> Wombert: could you have a look?
19:16 < horros> right. Movie, lager and missus time -->
19:16 < Xylakant> Strzalek_: your namespaces are all wrong
19:16 < horros> Wombert: See you tomorrow \o
19:16 < Strzalek_> Why!?
19:16 < Strzalek_> Xylakant: what are proper ns's?
19:16 < Xylakant> the ReturnArrayConfigHandler is the only one the needs the 0.11 namespaces
19:16 < Wombert> horros: wait
19:17 < v-dogg> horros: I'll tip off the customs for a germy smuggling drugs in his rectum
19:17 < Wombert> v-dogg / gorros
19:17 < Wombert> v-dogg: lawl
19:17 < v-dogg> you'll know Wombert for his funny walk
19:17 < v-dogg> from
19:17 < Wombert> v-dogg / horros: can I pick up a prepaid sim card for 3g data use
19:17 < Wombert> ?
19:17 < Wombert> do they sell those in .fi?
19:17 < Strzalek_> Xylakant: ehhh, what are 0.11 ns?
19:17 < Wombert> with time or bandwidth credit?
19:17 < v-dogg> Wombert: not sure but I have two. you can use them
19:18 < Wombert> v-dogg: oh nice
19:18 < Wombert> hope my 3g express card doesn't have sim lock then :)
19:18 < v-dogg> and I have access to uni campus wlan, too
19:18 < Wombert> [20:17] Strzalek_: Xylakant: ehhh, what are 0.11 ns?
19:18 < Wombert> seriously Strzalek_ 
19:18 < Wombert> can't you read exception messages
19:18 < Wombert> Configuration file "/Users/strzalek/Sites/projects/webstore/trunk/app/config/admin_menu.xml" is not in the Agavi 0.11 legacy namespace (http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config) and/or does not contain a <configurations> element as root node.
19:19 < Xylakant> Strzalek: there's another error: you're specifying config_handlers.xml as parent
19:19 < Wombert> Xylakant: no, that's his config_handlers.xml :)
19:19 < Wombert> that's fine
19:19 < Wombert> I was confused first, too. he didn't paste admin_menu.xml
19:19 < Wombert> v-dogg: ohcool
19:19 < Wombert> win, then
19:20 < Xylakant> yeah, only noticed on the second look as well...
19:22 < Strzalek_> Ok, but I'm still confused. Should I change xmlns:ae or xmlns?
19:22 < Strzalek_> Aahhhhh
19:22 < Strzalek_> I should change admin_menu namespace
19:22 < v-dogg> bed tiem ->
19:23 < Strzalek_> Ok, great :D
19:23 < Strzalek_> Thanks and sorry ;)
19:23 < v-dogg> Wombert: gimme a call when you know ETA to Turku
19:26 < Wombert> v-dogg: wilco
19:26 < Wombert> Strzalek_: the entire file must be in that namespcae
19:26 < Wombert> like configs in 0.11
19:27 < Strzalek_> Yes
19:27 < Strzalek_> Btw - Wombert what do you thing about routing.xml for each module?
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19:29 < Wombert> Strzalek_: not possible
19:30 < Rayne> via xinclude?
19:30 < Wombert> I think we discussed that in the past
19:30 < Wombert> it would mean that we have to know all modules in advance
19:30 < Strzalek_> Maybe
19:30 < Wombert> which means
19:30 < Wombert> a) modules.xml (and then people will complain)
19:30 < Wombert> b) scanning filesystem (slow)
19:30 < Wombert> also
19:30 < Wombert> if you have a routing.xml in your modules
19:30 < Rayne> i should be possible to get a module list by checking the module-path/s?
19:30 < Wombert> whats their order then?
19:30 < Rayne> hm
19:30 < Rayne> true true
19:30 < Wombert> and what if you have a route in a module
19:30 < Wombert> that must run at the very top
19:31 < Strzalek_> Wombert: yes, you're right
19:31 < Wombert> because its one of those non-stopping routes
19:31 < Wombert> and then you also need output types
19:31 < Wombert> what if those collide
19:31 < Wombert> etc etc etc
19:38 < saracen> Why do all mobile phones suck
19:41 < Rayne> because the mobile phones are not mobile phones?
19:44 < Rayne> todays epic mobiles freeze and/or run out of ram when you want to call someone - wth dude?
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20:48 < saracen> Wombert: I just ordered something from Germany. If it goes wrong, I'm going to hold you accountable for it, seeing as you're the only german I have some form of contact with.
20:56 < Wombert> what did you order
20:56 < Wombert> crazy porn?
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21:08 < saracen> Wombert: Neo Freerunner phone
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22:23 < E_mE> i hear that the iphone OS 3.0 will have Copy/Cut/Paste
22:26 < saracen> and I can't wait until browsers have tab support
22:29 < E_mE> when i was using the iphone the other day, i wished there was a clear session/cookies feature, but couldnt see it
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22:45 < saracen> impl: Whats happening with the elephpants so far?
22:57 < E_mE> hahahah how to smash a creme egg with style: http://www.funnyordie.co.uk/videos/408c55185c/things-to-do-with-a-cadbury-cream-egg#player
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01:32 < MugeSo> Houmenta
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01:34 < Ox42> Ok, huomenta
01:38 < MugeSo> I'm going to speak about Agavi at study session, which is held in Tokyo next Monday :D
01:39 < Ox42> awesome :)
01:46 < MugeSo> So, now I'm thinking what should I  speak.
01:46 < MugeSo> the attenders probably use symfony or cakephp.
01:47 < Ox42> booooo!
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05:43 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:23 < Wombert> huomenta :>
06:45 < hZilla> hi would anyone like to take a look at the rough design for my new site and give some feedback?
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07:01 < CIA-57> impl * r3926 /branches/impl-doxygen/ (198 files in 36 dirs): Use @return instead of @retval; we can use an alias to cover up this discrepancy
07:04 < horros> Huomenta!
07:05 < ttj> Hmm... Time to pack.
07:05  * horros packs: clothes on, extra shirt, set of underwear and a pair of socks
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07:12 < digitarald> Huomenta
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07:17 < Wombert> horros: I won't wear a red scarf
07:17 < Wombert> cause it turns out its cold in finland
07:18 < v-dogg> http://at8.abo.fi/cgi-bin/en/get_weather
07:21 < horros> Wombert: Mmkay
07:21 < horros> I'll still be wearing my red boots, blue jeans and harington-jacket :)
07:21 < horros> (which has an english flag on it and says "Condemned 84")
07:21 < horros> Also, I'll be wearing a black-and-white checkered scarf :)
07:22 < v-dogg> "turns out its cold in finland"... WHAT DID YOU EXPECT THEN YOU SILLY KRAUT! WE LIVE IN IGLOOS HERE!
07:22 < horros> ps. mind the polar bears!
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07:27 < Wombert> :>
07:28 < horros> Wombert: Not to worry, I have a rifle in the back of the car.
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07:41 < Wombert> horros: excellent
07:42 < impl> I think I'll just fork Doxygen
07:42 < impl> that should solve all our problems
07:43 < impl> :>
07:43 < Wombert> impl: I was about to suggest
07:43 < Wombert> fix it :)
07:43 < Wombert> maybe the code is not horrible and you'll even enjoy it
07:43 < Wombert> is it C?
07:43 < Wombert> C++?
07:44 < Wombert> kirila could fix it, too
07:44 < Wombert> now
07:44 < Wombert> airport ->
07:44  * Wombert &
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07:47 < ttj> Hmm... I think that's everything...
07:47 < ttj> Need to get some more hairwax on my way to the office...
07:49 < v-dogg> hmm.. what's going on here now..
07:50 < v-dogg> can't I modify route parameters in callback's onGenerate?
07:50 < v-dogg> anymore, that is. I know I have done this before
07:51 < v-dogg> aaaa
07:51 < v-dogg> PHP error E_NOTICE Object of class AgaviRoutingValue could not be converted to int in ....
07:54 < v-dogg> still no luck
07:56 < Xylakant> v-dogg:
07:56 < Xylakant> since the routing rewrite all callbacks get the parameters wrapped
07:56 < Xylakant> in an AgaviRoutingValue object
07:56 < Xylakant> so we can store whether that value needs encoding or not
07:57 < v-dogg> yeah. Just needed to throw some ->getValue()'s in there and now it works
07:57 < Xylakant> so you'll need to call getValue() on the object to retrieve the value
07:57 < v-dogg> thanks
07:58 < Xylakant> and you really should write back RoutingValues as well
07:58 < Xylakant> $routing = $this->getContext()->getRouting();
07:58 < Xylakant> $userParameters['post'] = $routing->createValue($post->getId());
07:58 < v-dogg> ok
07:58 < Xylakant> that way you can control encoding and the like
07:58 < v-dogg> yup, very cool
07:58 < Xylakant> or you could call setValue() on the object that came in
07:59 < Xylakant> haven't tried that but it should work
07:59 < v-dogg> it does
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08:28 < graste> huomenta
08:30 < CIA-57> felix * r3927 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/ (9 files in 3 dirs): added chapter about routing callbacks and layers/layouts
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08:38 < CIA-57> felix * r3928 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/ (stage1/ stage2/): once again rebuilding the stage apps
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08:45 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:49 < Xylakant> huomenta
08:50 < horros> hmmh, quick shower, get my stuff together and then I'm off 
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08:51 < Wombert> ...
08:52 < Wombert> macen: no offense, but if you don't have anything meaningful to contribute in your reply to dev@, then why do you even bother
08:53 < CIA-57> felix * r3929 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/stage1/ (92 files in 29 dirs): new stage1 app
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08:56 < _cheerios> i hear macen has a taste for alcohol, could explain things
08:57 < Wombert> besides being compeltely pointless and completely confusing, I think there's also a couple of complaints in it about the lack of documentation on the matter
08:57 < Wombert> which shouldn't be surprising given how the feature was released two weeks ago
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09:00 < Xylakant> well, he's right about the lack of documentation, let's face that. It's in the new guide, so if you want to have a sneak preview, feel free - it's all in the repository. 
09:01 < Xylakant> any kind of feedback is welcome
09:01 < Wombert> airport
09:01 < Wombert> bai
09:05 < Xylakant> bai
09:07 < _cheerios> agavi has never been about documentation, but more mindless hacking :)
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09:09 < Xylakant> well, _cheerios, no. no documentation but we have something in mind when we're hacking ;)
09:09  * horros humms
09:09 < Xylakant> we could do an agavi hacking session over at the beergarden though :)
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09:10 < impl> wat
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09:10  * impl invites himself
09:10  * horros too
09:10 < impl> :>>
09:10 < _cheerios> hackers + beer, always works
09:10 < horros> but mostly for the beer
09:10 < horros> mmmmm
09:10 < horros> beer
09:10 < horros> <3
09:10 < impl> by the liter
09:10 < horros> Yes!
09:11 < horros> Münchener Halle has nice 1 liter jugs of Löwenbrau
09:12 < Xylakant> well, if you feel like coming over in summer, we certainly won't mind
09:12 < horros> Not that I'm particularly fond of Löwenbrau
09:12 < Xylakant> though we're not drinking Löwen...
09:12 < horros> I am, however, fond of 1 liter jugs of beer!
09:13 < Xylakant> that's easy to find in munich.
09:14 < horros> Münchener Halle is, surprisingly though, in Hannover :)
09:14  * horros Camera Silens - Réalité
09:15 < v-dogg> mm.. music
09:15 < horros> Camera Silens = win!
09:16 < v-dogg> I'm going to go with something soft: Eldar Djangirov
09:16  * horros Camera Silens - Pour la Gloire
09:17 < horros> I'ma annoy Wombert and ttj all the way from Helsinki to Turku by playing old 80s Oi! punk
09:17 < horros> :D
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09:17 < v-dogg> heh
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09:18 < v-dogg> is call_user_func_array bad performance-wise?
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09:18 < impl> Yeah
09:18 < v-dogg> does it make a difference if I use it to call static methods?
09:18 < impl> but I mean, there's not a whole lot you can do about it
09:19 < v-dogg> hmm..
09:19 < impl> One of the reasons for adding LSB to PHP was to avoid having to use call_user_func, iirc
09:19 < horros> LSB?
09:19 < impl> late static bindings
09:19 < horros> Ah yes.
09:20 < horros> Damnit
09:20 < horros> Listening to Camera Silens makes me want to drink copious amounts of lager and have a fight.
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09:27 < CIA-57> felix * r3930 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/stage1/ (1956 files in 162 dirs): adding bundled agavi version
09:29 < v-dogg> is call_user_func* _really_ bad?-)
09:32 < _cheerios> bad, and bad; i meant you can do 1000req/s++ with it
09:32 < MugeSo> it beats memory for every call :(
09:33 < _cheerios> you can't really do without call_user_func_* if you're doing nice stuff, bar turning to reflection (and even then you might use it)
09:36 < v-dogg> I can either hack propel builders and create my own doSelectJoinThisAndThisAndThatTable() or I can do all joins/object hydrates dynamically with ~10 x row count (~1-100) call_user_func_array calls
09:37 < horros> Right. Off to the petrol station and then on towards new adventures!
09:37 < horros> v-dogg: So errm, what about this evening then?
09:37 < horros> We'll probably be in Turku around five-ish, methinks.
09:38 < horros> Unless my car gets hit by a huge rock on the motorway.
09:38 < v-dogg> or you hit a polar bear (wombers is hoping to see some)
09:39 < v-dogg> I was thinking about dinner ~18-19
09:39 < impl> v-dogg: this is why I don't use Propel anymore. :P
09:39 < v-dogg> horros: börs has a nice (but maybe a bit pricey) restaurant
09:40 < horros> v-dogg: I see. Friend of mine gets off work at about 17-ish too (I'm staying at his place this evening)
09:40 < v-dogg> or we can pick one of the millions of S-groups standardized restaurants :)
09:40 < horros> But not Fransmanni!
09:40 < horros> Damn french :x
09:40 < macen> wombert: well I do usually try and help people and as I'd used it once I tried to find *something* on it so that I didn't completely make a fool of myself but couldn't so finished the email....with that
09:41 < macen> sooo frustrating.....
09:41 < macen> "oh that works, I wonder why, meh...will see"
09:41 < macen> %&£^£%^$&^@
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09:41 < Xylakant> macen: wombert is off :)
09:42 < macen> ahk :)
09:42 < Xylakant> i know that it's hard without documentation, i'm working full time on it
09:42 < macen> good luck. :)
09:42 < Xylakant> if you feel like you can check out my branch, there's build instructions in there
09:42 < Xylakant> and it explains the callbacks feature :)
09:42 < macen> i'm mad busy with other projects at the moment so having to to non-Agavi stuff :( 
09:43 < macen> totally sucks
09:43 < ttj> horros: I technically have a conference call from 12.30 to 16.30. :P
09:43 < horros> hehe
09:44 < ttj> Although if I call in, they'll give me tons of action points.
09:44 < Xylakant> well, in case you do, feedback is welcome
09:44 < horros> anyways
09:44 < horros> I have to be off
09:44 < Xylakant> so be off
09:44 < horros> ttj: See you at the airport
09:44 < horros> \o
09:44 < horros> -->
09:44 < Xylakant> go, go, go away ;)
09:45 < v-dogg> Xylakant is just bitter he can't come to Turku :)
09:45 < Xylakant> i've been there before
09:45 < v-dogg> I remember :)
09:45 < Xylakant> :)
09:45 < Xylakant> but i'll come over some time
09:45 < Xylakant> actually i'd like to see finnland in winter
09:52 < macen> the Agavi courses would probably be of interest to me if not now in the future, maybe when the exchange rate is a little better heh
09:53 < macen> i used Zend courses a while ago, for around the same money
09:54 < macen> this was before PHP5 was on the horizon
09:55 < macen> they used php|arch forums for the non-essential information and tasks, but the majority of the training was given through "online" classes
09:56 < macen> they speak into a mic, you reply on their IRC type web chat thingy
09:56 < macen> and the screen is some powerpoint presentation they can draw on and make notes etc
09:56 < macen> better than school :>
09:57 < macen> they get pretty good attendances, 20-30 people at each one i was on
09:57 < macen> so could ask questions for each other etc
09:57 < macen> quite interesting 
09:57 < macen> very useful, a great way to learn
09:58 < CIA-57> felix * r3931 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/stage1/dev/bin/: add the build script to svn:ignore
10:00 < Xylakant> macen: we're currently not offering (online) courses though we plan to offer some in the future. We do offer workshops where we come over to your place and educate your team or help you start out your project. 
10:00 < Xylakant> online courses might really be something interesting, thanks for that idea :)=
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10:01  * macen nods
10:01 < macen> it was ace.
10:01 < macen> even if "Brought to you by Zend" :p
10:01 < macen> heh
10:01 < macen> anyway, coffee.
10:06 < DracoBlue> Good morning ;)
10:06 < DracoBlue> I am currently facing the problem, that the FPF tries to re-utf8-encode my already utf8-encoded site.
10:07 < DracoBlue> Any idea, what could cause that?
10:09 < CIA-57> felix * r3932 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/stage2/: copying stage1 app to stage2
10:10 < Xylakant> DracoBlue: missing content-type meta tag and using html parsing mode?
10:13 < DracoBlue> by html parsing mode, you mean: parse_xhtml_as_xml ?
10:13 < DracoBlue> it's set to false.
10:14 < v-dogg> why?
10:14 < CIA-57> felix * r3933 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/topics/tutorial/step5/introduction.dita: introduction for the database chapter
10:15 < DracoBlue> v-dogg, good question :P
10:15 < Xylakant> could you show us the head-section of your html output?
10:15 < Xylakant> or try whether the problem occurs when you set parse_xhtml_as_xml to true?
10:16 < CIA-57> felix * r3934 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/topics/tutorial/ (3 files in 2 dirs): some corrections in the build intructions
10:17 < DracoBlue> I'll test that first
10:17 < DracoBlue> so long http://pastebin.com/d1cb3057a
10:18 < DracoBlue> no idea why we are using a transitional doctype, though.
10:20 < DracoBlue> I guess that's the issue, the html is pretty invalid ... n/comment
10:21 < Xylakant> Dacoblue: your chars are getting mangled in the title?
10:21 < DracoBlue> the title chars are broken, too.
10:22 < Xylakant> put the meta-tags first
10:22 < Xylakant> especially the content-type one
10:22 < DracoBlue> ok! Will try that.
10:23 < Xylakant> and the parse_xhtml_as_xml setting does not depend on a strict doctype - it just requires you to actually obey your doctype :)
10:26 < DracoBlue> ok, putting it before the title solved the issue.
10:32 < Xylakant> fine
10:32 < CIA-57> felix * r3935 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added new chapter about installing a new copy of the app
10:47 < v-dogg> benchmarking the call_user_func* stuff and the memory usage is not an issue
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10:47 < v-dogg> not in my case at least
10:47 < Yossi_> Huomenta
10:47 < Yossi_> can some one remind me how I form a redirect in the view?
10:47 < v-dogg> huomenta
10:48 < v-dogg> $this->getResponse()->setRedirect($url);
10:48  * E_mE is lovely PostgreSQL  Sequences :D
10:48 < v-dogg> $url can be a relative url 
10:49 < Yossi_> oh yeah I just found it in the manual, thanks
10:58 < CIA-57> felix * r3936 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/ (41 files in 19 dirs): stagee2 app and fixes to the instructions
11:00 < CIA-57> felix * r3937 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/stage3/: copying stage2 app as base for stage3
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11:21 < mach3-domke> hello
11:22 < MikeSeth> o hai
11:22 < mach3-domke> i have a problem with AgaviUploadedFile... here the error -> http://pastebin.com/d47c4ad85 
11:23 < MikeSeth> mach3-domke: probably missing write permissions on target dir
11:23 < mach3-domke> hmm 
11:29 < mach3-domke> hmm is this a correct path? uploades/2009/February/11/15-31-07/
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12:40 < MrJeep> hellow
12:50 < CIA-57> felix * r3938 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/ (12 files in 9 dirs): stage3 app and fixes to the instructions
12:50 < CIA-57> felix * r3939 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/stage4/: copying stage3 app as base for stage4
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12:54 < mach3_domke> Back again..
12:55 < mach3_domke> error still there. My Upload ist local not working. 
12:55 < mach3_domke> Some ideas how i can fix it
12:56 < mach3_domke> http://pastebin.com/d5a3216d 
12:57 < macen> are you using ADT??
12:57 < _cheerios> MikeSeth already told you, macen 
12:57 < _cheerios> * mach3_domke even
13:01 < Xylakant> mach3_domke: you'll have to show us at least what you're doing
13:01 < Xylakant> there's about a million reasons for that error
13:01 < Xylakant> or rather possible causes
13:01 < mach3_domke> ok mom
13:02 < mach3_domke> http://pastebin.com/d65a143e9
13:02 < mach3_domke> not more...
13:02 < mach3_domke> $converter is from ezComponents.. for reasizing the image
13:03 < Xylakant> well. what's the contents of $dir?
13:04 < mach3_domke> this-->
13:05 < Xylakant> emtpy?
13:05 < mach3_domke> "/uploads/2009/March/18/13-04-22/"
13:05 < Xylakant> does that directory exist?
13:06 < mach3_domke> yes
13:06 < Xylakant> is it writeable by the webserver?
13:07 < DracoBlue> ehm, "/uploads/2009/March/18/13-04-22/" 
13:07 < DracoBlue> this won't work, except you really have a folder called /uploads in the root server directory.
13:07 < Xylakant> that's what I've just been asking )
13:07 < mach3_domke> no in the pub directory
13:08 < mach3_domke> ther is the folder uploads
13:08 < DracoBlue> @Xylakant *hides* ;)
13:08 < Xylakant> well mach3_domke: then the directory does not exist
13:08 < Xylakant> does it exist or not?
13:08 < Xylakant> what does "ls /uploads/2009/March/18/13-04-22/" say?
13:09 < mach3_domke> nothing..
13:10 < mach3_domke> i dont understand
13:10 < Xylakant> and "cd /uploads/2009/March/18/13-04-22/; pwd -P" 
13:11 < mach3_domke> the project starts in pub/index.php
13:11 < Xylakant> and so? you're feeding an absolute path - starting with a '/'
13:11 < mach3_domke> aha
13:12 < mach3_domke> my mistake..
13:12 < mach3_domke> it is only "uploads/2009/March/18/13-04-22/"
13:12 < Xylakant> aha
13:12 < Xylakant> well, that might be the problem
13:13 < mach3_domke> and ther folders get created
13:13 < mach3_domke> But they are empty
13:14 < mach3_domke> But i am using XAMPP
13:14 < mach3_domke> maybe this is the Problem
13:14 < mach3_domke> because on my webserver it works..
13:15 < mach3_domke> but i want to test my application on my computer...
13:15 < Xylakant> well, the generic "Unable to move file" is the message when php's move_uploaded_file fails
13:16 < mach3_domke> here my PHP INFO
13:16 < mach3_domke> http://pastebin.com/d77d2a0b9
13:16 < Xylakant> it's most likely a problem with your installation
13:17 < Xylakant> best bet would be to write a short testing script that uses plain old "move_uploaded_file" to see what the problem is
13:17 < mach3_domke> with the installation of xampp? or what?
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13:17 < mach3_domke> i have..
13:17 < mach3_domke> and it works..
13:18 < mach3_domke> http://pastebin.com/d4f9bc317
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13:18 < mach3_domke> works fine.. now you understand my Problem :)
13:19 < mach3_domke> i have no idea why it is not working.. i repeat: on my webserve it works.. :(
13:19 < _cheerios> use your head :p
13:21 < mach3_domke> haha :) to slap it on the table?
13:22 < Xylakant> well, you could remove the error suppression in AgaviUploadedFile
13:23 < Xylakant> to get the real error message
13:23 < mach3_domke> how?
13:23 < Xylakant> well, edit agaviuploadedfile.class.php
13:24 < Xylakant> in line 214
13:24 < Xylakant> there's the call to move_uploaded_file
13:24 < Xylakant> remove the '@'
13:25 < mach3_domke> removed.. but the same error MSG again
13:25 < Xylakant> try adding a die(); after the move_uploaded_file
13:26 < mach3_domke> empty PAGE!
13:26 < mach3_domke> mom
13:26 < mach3_domke> i will enter ini_set(displayerrors..
13:26 < Xylakant> no error, nothing?
13:26 < Xylakant> something in the php log?
13:27 < mach3_domke> nothing..
13:27 < DracoBlue> maybe $this->is_uploaded_file is false ?
13:28 < mach3_domke> no its 1
13:28 < mach3_domke> --> true
13:28 < Xylakant> wel, then it should not display a blank page when you place a die() in there. 
13:28 < mach3_domke> bool(true)
13:29 < mach3_domke> where i finde the php log?
13:29 < mach3_domke> u mean the agavi error log?
13:30 < Xylakant> no, i mean the logfile where your php installation writes it's errors
13:30 < Xylakant> the php error log
13:30 < mach3_domke> ah 1 monemt
13:33 < mach3_domke> hmm nothing usefull in there...
13:34 < mach3_domke> http://pastebin.com/d5b643daa
13:39 < Xylakant> well, ok. you diabled error_logging
13:39 < Xylakant> no surprise your log is empty
13:40 < mach3_domke> how can i enable it?
13:40 < Xylakant> in your php config?
13:41 < Xylakant> by setting log_errors to "On"
13:44 < mach3_domke> mom
13:48 < mach3_domke> in the php.ini i cahnged it to On but in php_info there this: error_log	no value	no value
13:49 < kaos|work_> you need tor restart apache
13:49 < mach3_domke> i have
13:51 < kaos|work_> you editred C:\xampp\apache\bin\php.ini ?
13:51 < mach3_domke> i edit it to all php.ini files. there are to
13:51 < mach3_domke> 2
13:56 < mach3_domke> so now it works.. but there are no error logs...
13:58 < mach3_domke> i install the path fpr xampp 1.7
13:58 < mach3_domke> maybe after it i can upload with agavi..
13:59 < mach3_domke> nope..
14:00 < Xylakant> well, that's a bit difficult to debug from here :(
14:01 < mach3_domke> yes :(
14:01 < mach3_domke> i am realy realy :')
14:01 < mach3_domke> :(
14:02 < mach3_domke> sad
14:07 < DracoBlue> mach3_domke I sent you a PM.
14:21 < mach3_domke> DracoBlue now :)
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15:54 < marioprudhomme> would you guys say a model is more of a value object type of classes that is meant to be persisted by some service, or more a model is the service (or process) itself, such as hiding sql queries in a model, etc
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15:55 < marioprudhomme> or both
15:58 < Rozza> huomenta
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15:59 < MikeSeth> marioprudhomme: a model is an interface and an implementation
16:00 < MikeSeth> marioprudhomme: as an interface, it expresses the top level API of your application 
16:00 < MikeSeth> as an implementation, it hides away the details
16:00 < MikeSeth> marioprudhomme: so, a model is NOT an ORM instance or a value object intended for persistence
16:00 < MikeSeth> marioprudhomme: note, however, that we're talking about *MVC* models
16:01 < MikeSeth> an object can be a data model (nothing to do with MVC)
16:01 < marioprudhomme> yea hiding SQL was an example
16:01 < marioprudhomme> could be xml or text file, whatever
16:04 < marioprudhomme> mike, so lets say i had a User entity in my app, if i was to create a user model, id most likely have as functions things like register($userData), authenticate($username, $password), unregister($userID)
16:04 < marioprudhomme> that makes sense to you?
16:04 < MikeSeth> absolutely
16:05 < MikeSeth> note that for a completely ideal MVC, your model should not return (and accept) implementation specific structures (e.g. DataObjects returned by MDB)
16:06 < marioprudhomme> that would be where the ORM comes in?
16:07 < marioprudhomme> so like, you dont reference directly database fields names
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16:09 < MikeSeth> marioprudhomme: no, I meant, if you have e.g. getUser() then it should return an array of user fields, NOT a database library-made object (which you usually can modify, save() etc)
16:10 < marioprudhomme> or simply a value object
16:10 < marioprudhomme> thanks for your input, i think im going in the right direction with this
16:14 < marioprudhomme> on a side note, lets say i deleted everything, the database, the data, anything that knows how to persist, my model's interface should still make sense and be usable with other libs
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16:14 < marioprudhomme> is the wanted effect, i assume
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16:18 < MikeSeth> well 
16:18 < MikeSeth> it depends on the codebase 
16:18 < MikeSeth> in some cases you cant really achieve this
16:19 < MikeSeth> but you should try
16:19 < marioprudhomme> i mean surely the inside of the model will change, but the interface remaining the same
16:19 < marioprudhomme> in most cases
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16:56 < CIA-57> felix * r3940 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/ (32 files in 9 dirs): added layouts
16:58 < CIA-57> felix * r3941 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/tutorial.ditamap: removed some old chapters from the map
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17:11 < Ox40> huomenta
17:14 < E_mE> am im dreaming that PHP are removing <?= from future releases?
17:15 < MrJeep> I'm dreaming of girl-on-girl action but I guess your dreams are O.K. too...
17:16 < Ox40> lol
17:16 < MrJeep> :D
17:17 < MrJeep> why would you like to see <?= removed ?
17:18 < E_mE> not saying I do, just i think i remember someone mentioning they will be removing it?  I don't mind it to much, but ive learnt to always use <?php echo ... 
17:18 < macen> yes _cheerios said so
17:18 < macen> i was switching to it and he said no point it's going
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17:20 < macen> tbh i just believed him although will ask about it next time he's here
17:20 < MrJeep> E_mE: I hope they either remove it or make it mandatory
17:20 < MrJeep> by mandatory I mean they can't be turned off.
17:20 < macen> MrJeep: you can always enable it with ini_set? :p
17:20 < Ox40> Hey, im setting up a new project, and I want to use smarty (well, the customer wants me to use smarty)
17:21 < Ox40> Im at "Default template extension [php]: "
17:21 < saracen_> macen: You miss the point. If it was forced, then we could always use it, and know other users won't have problems.
17:21 < macen> "Agavi ships with several such adapters, such as plain PHP template renderer, Smarty renderer, DWOO renderer and so on." taken from http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/layers.html
17:21 < macen> i have no idea what "and so on" is
17:22 < Ox40> lol
17:22 < Ox40> basically, do I have to do anything to use Smarty?
17:22 < macen> http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/browse_thread/thread/df2777b776faf77e/563d5badcdfc197c
17:22 < macen> "Simply subclass AgaviSmartyRenderer and extend getEngine() so it  registers the plugins after the smarty instance was created. "
17:23 < Ox40> yeah...
17:23 < Ox40> But, I just want to use smarty.... :)
17:23 < Ox40> no plugins for smarty.
17:23 < Ox40> how do I answer this question (is my question).
17:23 < Ox40> default template extension
17:24 < macen> not sure i doubt it matters unless you have configured loadssss of modules / actions / views
17:24 < macen> you can always change the file names later
17:24 < Ox40> yeah, but is it just asking how they will be named?
17:25 < macen> yes it is.
17:25 < Ox40> I probably want .tpl then....
17:25 < Ox40> er, tpl
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17:25 < macen> there is no list of template files or anything in agavi
17:25 < marioprudhomme> test
17:25 < macen> fail
17:25 < marioprudhomme> :(!
17:32 < saracen_> Ox40: Yeah, choose the extension smarty uses would be my guess
17:32 < saracen_> which I think is .tpl
17:34 < Ox40> cool
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17:44 < Ox40> is the master template always in PHP or... is my shit not set up right?
17:46 < _cheerios> it's you
17:47 < Ox40> thought so
17:48 < marioprudhomme> heh
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18:01 < Whisller> evening
18:05 < digitarald> Morning
18:05 < Ox40> afternoon :)
18:06 < graste> Huomenta!
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18:31 < _cheerios> nice to get support tickets.. in indonesian. good luck getting a reply.
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18:55 < impl> damned Finns and Wombert are off getting drunk when they should be checking email to see whether Agavi got into GSoC this year
18:55 < impl> I'M LOOKING AT YOU, HORROS.
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19:12 < Ox40> ok, i need a guru now
19:12 < Ox40> :)
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19:19 < digitarald> Ox40: gurus are at sleep
19:19 < Ox40> lol :(
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19:22 < _cheerios> fs. ubuntu. pos. crap. :#¤%#.
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20:38 < Ox40> dude, serioulsy. Whats up with your connection?
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22:07 < Ox40> impl asonge yoyo?
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22:16 < Ox40> blah, my form is getting repopulated but none of the validators are running....
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22:36 < Ox40> weird....
22:36 < Ox40> <parameter> works on one site, but it HAS to be <ae:parameter> on another. Weird.
22:36 < graste> look at the namespaces
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23:09 < Wombert> finland is as funny as I imagined it to be
23:10 < Wombert> also, very friendly people
23:12 < graste> :>
23:23 < graste> damn you gmx for fucking up my imap account...if some email provider you pay for fucks up on some server change or update it makes me wonder, what their core competence is...
23:23  * graste waits for a fix from them...
23:25 < Wombert> we did not make it into the google summer of code :<
23:25 < graste> wtf
23:25 < graste> why's that
23:26 < Wombert> dunno
23:26 < Wombert> last year they said we needed a website
23:26 < Wombert> :<
23:26 < graste> <:
23:26 < graste> what's their excuse this year?
23:26 < graste> ^^
23:26 < Wombert> I don't really have a problem with not getting accepted EXCEPT that BZFlag got accepted for the third year in a row
23:27 < graste> omg, had to google this :p
23:28 < graste> perhaps agavi needs a "screenshots" link ;)
23:29 < graste> well, at least you now have some page in the wiki with ideas for improving agavi :>
23:34 < Wombert> we've had that in 2008 :<
23:34 < Wombert> [01:33] lh: Wombert: will do in a moment, taking to someone else atm
23:34  * Wombert waits
23:36 < graste> hm, well, now you have to do it all alone :P
23:36 < graste> gn8 internet ^^
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23:44 < CIA-57> david * r3942 /branches/david-input-types/: branch for input types
23:45 < CIA-57> david * r3943 /branches/david-storage-system/: branch for storage system
23:47 < Ox40> hmm
23:47 < Ox40> oook
23:59 < CIA-57> david * r3944 /branches/david-input-types/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): first take at input types, including JsonDecoderValidator, refs #816
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00:02 < saracen_> 00:01:44 <@saracen> .gf BZFlag vs agavi
00:02 < saracen_> 00:01:49 <&Cugnot> By results on google: BZFlag beats agavi by 373,000 to 167,000!
00:02 < saracen_> Wombert: They use pagerank to decide, I tell you
00:02 < saracen_> You should have renamed agavi to obama
00:02 < CIA-57> david * r3945 /branches/david-storage-system/src/ (12 files in 7 dirs): storage manager basics, refs #661
00:03 < Wombert> [01:45] lh: Wombert: i am very sorry. you had a great ideas list and application. this is one of those we just cannot accept everyone cases.
00:03 < Wombert> no complaints otherwise
00:03 < Wombert> last year it was "no website" and "kinda weak ideas list"
00:03 < saracen_> Yeah, it's by popularity :)
00:03 < Wombert> none this year
00:03 < Wombert> so it was just luc
00:03 < Wombert> k
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00:06 < saracen_> Well, it's not luck, it's selected for a purpose
00:07 < saracen_> I guess they want to cover various genres, but not over and over. bzflag for the students designing games and stuff I guess ;x
00:07 < saracen_> php gets wordpress
00:07 < CIA-57> david * r3946 /branches/david-storage-system/src/request/AgaviWebRequest.class.php: committed by accident in [3945], refs #661
00:08 < Wombert> well
00:08 < Wombert> we could try and sneak in under the php umbrella
00:08 < Wombert> but not sure if I want that
00:08 < Wombert> anyway
00:08 < Wombert> I have to head to bed
00:08 < saracen_> night man
00:09 < Wombert> weird finns messed up the timezones so its 2:08
00:09 < Wombert> and the conference (tech!) starts at 8:30
00:09 < Wombert> which I find outrageos
00:09 < Wombert> +u
00:09 < Wombert> but they're nice people otherwise
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00:10 < Wombert> also they give you free karl fazer chocolate in this hotel
00:10 < Wombert> which is nice too
00:10 < saracen_> steal it all
00:10 < saracen_> I suppose its a decent hotel, probably won't get away with that
00:11 < saracen_> We went to some cheap travellogde in november, I've still got about 200 packets of suger
00:11 < saracen_> and 3 towels
00:11 < saracen_> I dont even know why, I was drunk and we found a closet full of the stuff
00:11 < Wombert> lols
00:13 < Wombert> so
00:13 < Wombert> bai
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00:30 < god_> anybody here wanna pay me $4500 to work on an Agavi project?
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00:36 < saracen_> god_: You mean pay you $4400 to learn how to make an agavi project?
00:37 < E_mE_> bonus!
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01:35 < Ox40> Anyone got hints for adding recaptcha to an agavi project?
01:35 < Ox40> I can think of about 5 ways to do it
01:48 < Ox40> Hey
01:48 < Ox40> If I include something in autoload.xml, why is it not available in the View?
01:51 < E_mE_> Ox40: ?
01:51 < Ox40> ok, I found the answer, but how do I use complie.xml?
01:53 < E_mE_> Ive not had to use compile.xml, but I believe that relates to more of the core of the framework
01:54 < E_mE_> Hence it existing more inside the framework codebase rather then the project configuration
01:54 < Ox40> hmm, im trying to include a file that isnt a class basically
01:54 < Ox40> its just a bunch of functions
01:54 < E_mE_> oh, use config.php for that
01:54 < E_mE_> one moment
01:54 < E_mE_> yes app/config.php
01:55 < Ox40> ok
01:55 < E_mE_> such as: require AgaviConfig::get('core.app_dir') . '/lib/helpers.php';
01:57 < Ox40> cool
01:57 < Ox40> thanks
01:57 < E_mE_> no problem :)
01:57 < Ox40> now I just need to know why it looks like complete crap: http://wallpaper.ox40.us/signup
01:57 < E_mE_> compile.xml i believe contains all the core classes, such as AgaviAction etc
01:58 < Ox40> (compile.xml has nothing in it :|)
01:58 < E_mE_> what does?
01:58 < Ox40> recaptcha
01:58 < Ox40> it looks all... tweaked
01:58 < E_mE_> :S
01:58 < E_mE_> CSS conflicts?
01:59 < Ox40> i dunno... maybe
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03:24 < MugeSo> Ox40: I have recaptcha model and validator
03:25 < Ox40> really?
03:25 < MugeSo> Yeah :D
03:25 < Ox40> Dude, that would be awesome, because im having a litle bit of a problem ;)
03:25 < Ox40> I made a validator, but... it adds the 'invalid' stuff to the <noscript> that Recaptcha makes
03:26 < MugeSo> invalid stuff?
03:26 < Ox40> yeah, the errors
03:27 < Ox40> if it doesnt validate. It doesnt work :P
03:27 < Ox40> Wanna help an agavier out? :)
03:29 < MugeSo> It is part of a project, so i'll separate it, please wait.
03:30 < Ox40> heh no problem :)
03:37 < god_> I HATE GSOC :(
03:37 < god_> I'm going to cry
03:37 < god_> anybody working on AgaviForge? I was getting excited about it
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04:02 < MugeSo> Ox40: http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/php/Agavi_Recaptcha
04:03 < MugeSo> SVN repository is http://svn.coderepos.org/share/lang/php/Agavi_Recaptcha/
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05:04 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:04 < MugeSo> huomenta
05:12 < impl> Morning y'all
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05:51 < Wombert> morning impl 
05:53 < impl> Hai Wombert 
05:53 < Wombert> http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/php/Agavi_Recaptcha <- nice
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05:56 < Wombert> why do you keep ignoring me on jabber :<
05:57 < impl> I was sleeping, sir
05:58 < Wombert> right
05:59 < impl> I was
05:59 < impl> I just woke up at midnight
06:00 < Wombert> is that good?
06:00 < Wombert> you're leading a fucked up life man :)
06:00 < impl> Well, I got 8 hours of sleep
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07:43 < Wombert> huomenta
07:43 < Wombert> <:
07:45 < v-dogg> oh hai
07:50 < Wombert> <:
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08:12 < radut> huomenta everyone
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08:55 < macen> lalala
08:55 < macen> huomenta 
08:55  * macen tired
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10:42 < graste> huomenta
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10:43 < Xylakant> huomenta
10:57 < v-dogg> huomenta
11:00 < digitarald> Huomenta
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11:11 < v-dogg> Wombert: get a shell and run irssi in a screen
11:11 < v-dogg> or a bouncer or watevr
11:11 < Wombert> :<
11:12 < v-dogg> don't hop in & out like a playboy bunby :)
11:12 < v-dogg> don't hop in & out like a playboy bun
11:12 < Wombert> xD
11:12 < v-dogg> lag :(
11:12 < Wombert> j
11:12 < Wombert> a
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11:26 < E_mE> huomenta!
11:26 < E_mE> What a beautifully sunny day its today
11:27 < E_mE> theres one problem living in such a place as cornwall, its always sunny when you have to work hmpf! will get to the weekend and everything will change for the worse guaranteed :)  
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11:28 < impl> Man, you UKians must not get nice weather very often
11:28 < impl> because you're the third person, in three different channels, that's mentioned in the last half hour or so
11:28 < impl> :>
11:28 < E_mE> hahaha ;D
11:28 < E_mE> well, its because the weather is so nice
11:28 < E_mE> clear skys 
11:29 < E_mE> impl: it appears to be a very very british past time to talk about the weather
11:29 < impl> hah, cool
11:30 < E_mE> kind of like office chat, "oh hi, yes hi there... What lovely|horrible weather today?  Yes, (delight/aw)ful... ok then bye now"
11:30 < impl> Usually when someone does that in the US they're trying to hit on someone
11:30 < impl> :x
11:31 < E_mE> britain is just full of gays =P
11:31 < impl> lulz
11:31 < E_mE> hahaha, or open minded lovveeerrrz
11:31 < impl> as an American, I'm afraid I have to reject that view completely
11:32 < impl> gayyssss
11:32 < impl> (that you're open minded, not that you're gay)
11:32 < E_mE> as an american, you will find a way to make a smash hit film about it ;) and put mushy quiet momentarily love music over the conversion =P
11:33 < impl> Oh, yes, we're quite good at that!
11:33 < E_mE> and try to condense more norms into a sentence then is almost humanely possible
11:33 < E_mE> :)
11:34 < E_mE> of course middle class norms/morals ;) god no don't we go near sensible ones hahahaha
11:34 < impl> And the movie inevitably makes a huge profit off of the fat whores here who are obsessed with pop culture because they're too fucking fat to be a part of it
11:35 < graste> hehe, good question, Xylakant :P
11:35 < graste> had that problem myself when writing faq entries <:
11:35 < E_mE> hahaha, there sitting there crying about there eating problem, and wishing for the day such a film appears to correct them and make them slim by watching television hahaha
11:36 < E_mE> hehe sorry impl :)
11:36 < E_mE> all in good fun ::passes beer:: :)
11:36 < impl> E_mE: crying about their eating problem WHILE EATING A MINI CAKE
11:36 < impl> :D
11:36 < E_mE> or a tub of ice creams ;D
11:37 < impl> oh yeah, we love it right out of the tub
11:37 < E_mE> Like chief wigum in the simpsons, you want to leave the force because I'm fat, admit it ::chomp chomp on ice cream:: 
11:37 < impl> you know how you keep your forks/spoons/knives in your kitchen in a drawer or something
11:37 < impl> we keep ice cream scoops
11:37 < impl> :D
11:38 < impl> graste: it's a good question indeed, I think something off of this list might work (possibly prefixed with 'action'): http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?o2=&o0=1&o7=&o5=&o1=1&o6=&o4=&o3=&r=2&s=bundle&i=2&h=1000000000#c
11:38 < impl> We just have to find the right word
11:38 < E_mE> how long before you create a saving devise that just kind of injects a entire tub into your stomach and fires the pleasure receptors in your brain ;D
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11:39 < impl> E_mE: Well we already have soft serve ice cream because we're too lazy to chew or even bite, so not too long, i imagine
11:39 < E_mE> :) 
11:39  * E_mE pets impl 
11:40  * E_mE back to PostgreSQL book
11:40 < graste> "module part" is too loose, "slot" is not correct as it could be the main action..., "feature" doesn't fit as there could be multiple actions/modules/whatever for it, "execution something", "bundle", "request cycle", "work package"
11:40 < graste> all fail
11:40 < impl> \o/ postgresql
11:40 < E_mE> postgresql++ :D
11:40 < v-dogg> +1
11:40 < impl> graste: I was thinking "ensemble"
11:40 < graste> <:
11:41 < graste> "smithereen"
11:41 < graste> :D
11:41 < graste> no framework out there has smithereens
11:41 < impl> haha
11:41 < impl> The nice thing about terminology is once you see it a few times, you get past the "this is a weird word to use for X" and just accept it
11:41 < impl> so we could probably pick whatever we want
11:42 < graste> work pile, pile, bucket
11:42 < graste> bucket! =)
11:42 < graste> rename slots to chicken
11:42 < impl> nooo they be stealin my bucket
11:42 < graste> bucket of chickens
11:43 < graste> rename framework to kfc
11:43 < impl> haha
11:43 < graste> hcicken parts
11:43 < impl> if we're feeling particularly racist, we can rename filter to bling and validation to watermelon
11:44 < graste> add some bling to your app to fix xyz
11:44 < saracen_> public function executeGrab(KfcChickenHolder $ch)
11:44 < graste> hm, makes sorta sense
11:44 < graste> okay, that's it then
11:44 < saracen_> Surely you'd rename filter to Nazi?
11:45 < impl> no, we're trying to keep it aligned with 'things black people like'
11:45 < saracen_> Black people don't like Nazis?!
11:45 < graste> http://carcino.gen.nz/images/index.php/04980e0b/32ec70e4 
11:45 < impl> Well, I dunno
11:45 < impl> graste: rofl
11:46 < saracen_> lol.
11:46 < graste> oldie, but goldie
11:46 < impl> how about: action petting zoo
11:47 < saracen_> http://www.diediedie.com/Scumbag/24smallchildren.htm
11:48 < graste> "bucket"'s not too bad, I think or work package (but that's too agile dev related and doesn't hit it exactly either)
11:48 < impl> lawl
11:57 < Wombert> "doohickey"
11:58 < impl> Wombert: I think we need to rename Agavi to KFC
11:58 < impl> seriously
11:58 < impl> it's an awesome suggestion
11:58 < Wombert> no thanks
11:58  * impl forks
11:58 < Wombert> we can call the thing bucket anyway
11:58 < Wombert> or bukkit rather
11:58 < Xylakant> I'm pro pharmacopoeia 
11:58 < Wombert> there must be some word in some language for "bunch of things that happen to be related"
11:59 < impl> There is
11:59 < impl> # S: (n) collection, aggregation, accumulation, assemblage (several things grouped together or considered as a whole) 
11:59 < Wombert> call it "bunchacode"?
11:59 < Xylakant> I actually do like something along "execution pack"
11:59 < Wombert> nah :
11:59 < Wombert> <
11:59 < Wombert> it needs to be something funny
12:00 < impl> COTEC
12:00 < Xylakant> I'd like something that expresses that it's the smallest actually executable unit of work in the framework
12:00 < impl> Components Of The Execution Container
12:00 < Wombert> (which it isn't)
12:00 < impl> It is too
12:00 < Xylakant> it actually is, wombert
12:01 < Xylakant> what's smaller and can be executed?
12:01 < impl> Yeah, call it the Cec.
12:01 < impl> Components of the Execution Container. The Cec.
12:01 < Wombert> no acronyms plz unless they are cool
12:01 < Wombert> which that one isn't
12:01 < impl> It's not an acronym
12:01 < impl> it's a word
12:01 < Wombert> find a way to make it "caek" and we're in business :>
12:01 < saracen_> I can't see where this discussion started, thus have no idea what you're on about. Which I don't like =(
12:01 < impl> It just happens to have started as an acronym
12:02 < impl> saracen_: see the mailing list
12:02 < Wombert> saracen_: we're looking for a word to describe that action-view-template-cache-validate bundle
12:02 < Wombert> bundle?
12:02 < Wombert> :>
12:02 < impl> I don't like bundle
12:02 < impl> or pack
12:02 < Wombert> "bundle"!
12:02 < impl> Bundle or pack implies it's removable
12:02 < impl> or separable
12:02 < impl> from the framework as a whole
12:02 < impl> which it isn't
12:03 < impl> Wombert: Calling framework components stupid things like "caek" is just going to get us weird looks
12:03 < saracen_> Isn't all of that encapsulated by the execution container? ;x
12:03 < impl> Sure, we can fool around but let's not be retarded with official terminology
12:04 < impl> saracen_: Yeah
12:04 < impl> we want to name that exactly
12:04 < impl> the things-that-are-encapsulated-by-the-execution-container
12:04 < saracen_> Some things are un-nameable. But using the phrase "Encapsulated by the execution container" makes sense to me :P
12:05 < Wombert> coffee time
12:05 < impl> That's why I suggested an acronym, saracen_ 
12:05 < impl> The phrase by itself is too long to use everywhere
12:05 < Xylakant> saracen: go write documentation where you always need a full sentence to describe that core element of agavi
12:05 < saracen_> acronym would be better, then you could list the "layers", exactly like people talk about the 7 layers of the OSI Model
12:05 < impl> We can't use layers
12:05 < impl> we already have those
12:06 < saracen_> It's a completely different context
12:06 < impl> Yeah, that's a problem
12:06 < impl> It becomes ambiguous
12:06 < saracen_> components then, but then we can't use components in the acronym
12:06 < saracen_> But also, components might eventually become ambiguous
12:06 < saracen_> If you expand agavi to some form of plugin system, "components" might come up again
12:06 < impl> Yeah
12:07 < impl> Let's not start on the plugin system stuff
12:07 < impl> that was an already several-hour argument
12:07 < saracen_> Anyway, they are actually layers. I think people would understand the concept =(
12:07 < impl> No they're not
12:08 < impl> It's a flow from one part to the next
12:08 < saracen_> Meh, fine
12:08 < Xylakant> in what respect would the combination of action,view,template be a layer?
12:08 < saracen_> It isn't. I'm wrong :)
12:08 < Xylakant> right, so we have that one settled
12:08 < Xylakant> back to the flamewar :)
12:08 < saracen_> Hey
12:08 < saracen_> Why don't we call them layers?
12:09 < Wombert> it's not layers
12:09 < Wombert> we're talking about the related parts that form an operation or so
12:09 < saracen_> I know.
12:09 < Wombert> bbl
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12:09 < saracen_> Sorry, I just wanted to be annoying =(
12:09 < impl> Xylakant: What do you think about the acronym idea?
12:09 < Xylakant> you are, I'll have to admit that ;)
12:10 < saracen_> What about the keyword 'stack'?
12:10 < impl> No
12:10 < impl> Agavi used to have an ActionStack
12:10 < impl> And Symfony still does
12:10 < impl> totally unrelated
12:10 < saracen_> Execution Stack =(
12:10 < Xylakant> hmm. I sort of like the idea of an acronym if we can't find anything better
12:10 < Xylakant> it's not a stack
12:10 < Xylakant> you can sort of stack those things
12:10 < saracen_> =(
12:11 < Xylakant> but in itself it's not ordered in a stack-like-fashion
12:11 < impl> What about execution queue?
12:11 < Xylakant> back to the acronym
12:11 < saracen_> That's just the common meaning of the work stack in computer languages =(
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12:11 < Xylakant> saracen_: well, guess where that came from
12:11 < saracen_> Execution Heap =)
12:11 < impl> saracen_: stack is LIFO, queue is FIFO, I think
12:11 < Xylakant> from the way book stacks behave
12:12 < Xylakant> you put something on top
12:12 < Xylakant> you need to take it off before getting the book below
12:12 < Xylakant> I'd prefer something that actually contains the essence of what we're describing
12:13 < saracen_> Other frameworks don't already use a keyword for this, no?
12:13 < Xylakant> other frameworks don't have that concept
12:13 < impl> Other frameworks don't have an execution architecture like ours
12:14 < saracen_> ah
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12:22 < saracen_> It's annoying that "Execution" and "Container" are such long words.
12:23 < impl> Well
12:23 < impl> I think execution + <something> would work
12:23 < impl> if we could find a suitable <something>
12:24 < Xylakant> i still do like execution bundle
12:25 < Xylakant> or execution unit
12:25 < Xylakant> we need a term that implies that all elements belong together but don't have a specific order
12:25 < saracen_> SO, when you mention "Execution Container" isn't all of this a given anyway? ;x
12:26 < Xylakant> saracen: we need a term to describe what's _inside_ the container
12:26 < impl> execution unit is nice.
12:26 < impl> I like that.
12:26 < saracen_> Why do you? Most people are still going to have to be explained what the execution container is, in that description you just say "theres an order"
12:26 < saracen_> Execution unit doesn't describe what's inside.
12:27 < Xylakant> ok, so what's wrong with execution unit?
12:27 < saracen_> unit and container pretty much say the same thing.
12:27 < Xylakant> no
12:27 < impl> No they aren't
12:27 < Xylakant> a container contains something
12:27 < Xylakant> hence container
12:27 < impl> An execution container contains a single unit of execution
12:27 < Xylakant> there's something in it
12:27 < Xylakant> and that something in it is in our case an execution unit
12:29 < Xylakant> I like about it that it implies
12:29 < Xylakant> - the elements belong together and form a non-seperable unit
12:29 < Xylakant> - there is no real order on those elements
12:29 < Xylakant> - together they are executable
12:30 < Xylakant> - they work together to perform something
12:30 < impl> I don't think it implies the second statement there, but I don't think we want it to imply that either
12:30 < Xylakant> well, unit does not imply an order
12:30 < Xylakant> like stack or queue would
12:31 < impl> No, but it doesn't imply not an order either
12:31 < Xylakant> that's what I actually wanted to say
12:31 < impl> because stuff is executed in order :P
12:31 < saracen_> 'a single unit of execution', I think theres a reason to use it. No other word would really fit
12:31 < impl> ah okay
12:31 < impl> saracen_: what?
12:31 < saracen_> 12:27:24 < impl> An execution container contains a single unit of execution
12:31 < saracen_> Just the way you described it :P
12:31 < impl> Yeah, so, execution unit.
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12:32 < impl> good, glad that's settled then
12:32  * impl takes a shower
12:32 < Xylakant> so let's rewrite the whole documentation before wombert returns from his coffee :)
12:33 < Xylakant> graste? any opinion on that?
12:33 < impl> Whatever you do, don't let him disagree
12:33 < impl> Just do it and beg for forgiveness later
12:33 < impl> :D
12:33 < Xylakant> I'll just do it
12:33 < Xylakant> and when he complains i'll just say "go ahead, the documentation is all yours...' :)
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12:37 < E_mE> hehe scanwiches: http://scanwiches.com/
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12:49 < E_mE> wow: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7952317.stm
12:49 < E_mE> i found my old flat in london
12:52 < graste> hm
12:52 < graste> half an hour disconnect
12:52 < graste> do we have an acronym?
12:52 < graste> ^^
12:52 < saracen_> No. Just a name
12:52 < saracen_> Execution Unit
12:53 < Xylakant> graste: there's also the irc logs if you're curious about what happens when you're off :)
12:53 < graste> yeah
12:53 < graste> ActionCacheTemplateViewExecution - ACTiVE :x
12:53 < graste> execution unit is sooo...faceless <:
12:54 < graste> sin't there something left in the mojavi desert you guys haven't used yet for naming things ^^
12:54 < graste> *isn't
12:55 < digitarald> Oasis ...
12:55 < Xylakant> the desert is actually named mojave :)
12:55 < digitarald> mh ... already taken :)
12:56 < digitarald> got one ... Calico
12:56 < Xylakant> but i have to say that i find "Common Side-blotched Lizard" a bit non-descriptive for that
12:56 < digitarald> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico,_California
13:00 < impl> we're not naming a product
13:00 < impl> we're just naming some concept in the framework
13:01 < impl> it doesn't need a weird-ass name
13:01 < impl> and I would prefer for it not to have one
13:02 < impl> it's not like this is a tangible entity that people can pick up and play with
13:02 < impl> anyway, -> food -> class
13:02 < saracen_> You mean your parents never gave you an execution unit when you were a child?
13:02 < saracen_> You missed out, man
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13:34 < graste> :>
13:34 < graste> definitivly
13:34 < graste> +e
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13:45 < hZilla> what about a 'faction'
13:45 < hZilla> sounds a bit political i guess but the meaning is appropriate i think
13:45 < Xylakant> action combo :)
13:46 < Xylakant> 3 - 2 - 1 - FIGHT :)
13:46 < hZilla> or 'distraction' - haha
13:47 < hZilla> vector is nice too
13:48 < hZilla> implies route but not collection tho
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13:54 < graste> ohai fnordfish
13:54 < graste> ^^
13:56 < graste> let's call it ACT - action combo team
13:56 < graste> it's one act of the application
13:56 < graste> ^^
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13:58 < Xylakant> AAE agavi action executable :(
13:58 < Xylakant> or  Autonom Agierende Einheit for all german speaking people in here
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14:00 < graste> ^^
14:00 < graste> an acronym seems to be the best
14:03 < graste> what words are there to use? Action, Cache, Validation, Template, View? something else?
14:04 < graste> Route, OutputType, Config perhaps
14:05 < graste> I like "unit" - but "execution unit", hm - sounds like a group of ppl executing other ppl :x
14:06 < Wombert> yes
14:08 < graste> work unit
14:08 < Xylakant> I've been thinking about that as well - but "unit of work" is a pattern name
14:08 < graste> an ACTiVE unit
14:08 < graste> indeed
14:09 < graste> but there are patterns for everything - so many naming collisions possible ;)
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14:09 < Xylakant> that's true
14:09 < Xylakant> but I'd prefer not to collide with fowler on that ground
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14:10 < Xylakant> fowler tends to have more supporters than we do
14:10 < graste> ;)
14:10 < MikeSeth> Felix, remember, we are members of the pattern gestapo!
14:10 < graste> haha
14:10 < graste> no, you are
14:10 < graste> :P
14:10 < Xylakant> i actually do like patterns
14:10 < Xylakant> i like having names for concepts
14:11 < Xylakant> that's why we have this discussion
14:11 < graste> so what does it do? what's the concept of one action/view etc lifecycle
14:11 < Xylakant> it's the smallest unit that does actually do any real work in agavi
14:12 < Xylakant> i'd really love to take "action" for it as it's an action in terms of what you can do
14:12 < Xylakant> you feed it some data, it provides a response
14:12 < graste> operational unit
14:12 < Xylakant> but action is already taken by the action
14:12 < Xylakant> nice one
14:13 < graste> processing, processing operation, processing unit
14:13 < graste> processing unit perhaps
14:13 < Xylakant> processing unit is usually the cpu
14:13 < graste> it's not central ;)
14:14 < Xylakant> yeah, there's gpu as well
14:14 < graste> WPU - work processing unit
14:14 < Xylakant> agavi processing unit
14:14 < Xylakant> agu :)
14:14 < graste> APU
14:14 < Xylakant> apu )
14:14 < graste> :>
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14:14 < graste> Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
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14:15 < Xylakant> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apu_Nahasapeemapetilon
14:15 < graste> simpsons style
14:15 < Xylakant> not the worst simpson reference you could possibly have
14:15 < graste> yes
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14:24 < digitarald|> amazing how people fill wikipedia with series stuff ... *every* character, *every* episode
14:26 < Xylakant> it's called "being a fan" :)
14:27 < digitarald|> "fan with too much time"
14:28 < saracen_> If #agavi was a TV series, what character do you think would get the ladies?
14:29  * v-dogg 
14:31 < Xylakant> I don't want any. I do have enough. Or rather sometimes too many.
14:32 < saracen_> Wait. Ladies?
14:33 < Xylakant> well, you started talking about ladies :)
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14:35 < saracen_> can has some? =(
14:36 < Xylakant> nope
14:36 < Xylakant> I'm neither lending nor borrowing not selling
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14:37 < Xylakant> ok, I'll get back to the tutorial
14:37 < saracen_> I guess we've discovered who the evil character is =(
14:37 < graste> :
14:37 < graste> :)
14:38 < Xylakant> ze germanz are alwayz ze evil karacterz
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05:35 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:35 < impl> Huomenta
05:35 < v-dogg> ~4 hrs of sleep isn't quite enough
05:36 < impl> :(
05:36 < impl> True that
05:38 < v-dogg> "dzuelkeAt Dynamo bar in Turku where everyone is the same and friendly and the beer is good #finland #commies"
05:38 < v-dogg> twitter, about 4 hours ago
05:38 < impl> lool
05:38 < v-dogg> :)
05:41 < digitarald> Huomenta
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07:40  * everplays says happy Nowrooz - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nowrooz :)
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08:20 < graste> huomenta
08:26 < Xylakant> huomenta
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08:38 < CIA-57> impl * r3948 /branches/1.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix #1067: Build templates for ProjectBaseView and output_types.xml use different name for slot layout
08:40 < impl> Surprised nobody noticed that earlier
08:43 < Xylakant> impl: only occurs when you start a new project with 1.0
08:43 < impl> aye
08:44 < Xylakant> i noticed that while testing my instructions for the tutorial
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09:52 < _cheerios> huomenta
09:52 < Wombert> huomenta
09:52 < Wombert> and
09:52 < Wombert> bai
09:52 < Wombert> :)
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10:08 < WasabiCat> huomenta
10:12 < WasabiCat> is there a way to hide a named parameter from the url 
10:34 < E_mE> huomenta!
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12:21 < _cheerios> "Also, a 1000-pound gorilla might eventually come out of your display and start throwing barrels at you. You've been warned." i love good docs.
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12:43 < Xylakant> _cheerios: is that the documentation for donkey kong?
12:43 < _cheerios> heh. no, sphinx :)
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12:50 < digitarald> I can't resist to install those splash screens on all my sites ... http://blog.hugsformonsters.com/post/87657240/overly-judgemental-ie6-splash-pages
12:52 < impl> I swear, I’m not this much of a dick to my users, but as a former PC user/Xbox owner, I have enough pent up MS-Hate to fill a fucking water tower.
12:52 < impl> fucking macfags don't even understand how operating systems work anyway
12:53 < impl> that said, those are pretty funny
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12:57  * graste can't find teh funny in those IE6 splash pages
13:01 < _cheerios> graste, impl likes pictures with dick. if you don't, fine.
13:01 < graste> ic
13:01 < graste> ^^
13:02 < _cheerios> i met wombert yesterday. he really is a nerd.
13:02 < graste> hehe
13:02 < graste> :)
13:02 < impl> Did he wash his glasses with dish soap?
13:02 < _cheerios> he was licking his sweater of chocolate crumbs
13:03 < _cheerios> it looked wierd. but he likes chocolate i guess. wherever it can be found.
13:03 < impl> rofl
13:03 < graste> =)
13:04 < v-dogg> he likes chocolate but he _loves_ Finnish Fazer's Blue choco :)
13:05 < _cheerios> yes he does
13:05 < Strzalek> How to check if POST data were send?
13:05 < Strzalek> Is there sth like $rd->postRequest() which returns bool?
13:06 < _cheerios> v-dogg: http://www.mtv3.fi/grandone/ we won best startup at the gala i went later on.
13:07 < _cheerios> im so tired. its 3pm and im TRYING to wakeup, but not succeeding.
13:10 < impl> Strzalek: you use executeWrite to handle POST and executeRead to handle GET
13:11 < v-dogg> _cheerios: nice, congrats
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13:19 < Strzalek> impl: yes I know but I want detect it in view :)
13:20 < impl> Why?
13:20 < graste> just validate it
13:20 < graste> and it should be there in execute() or executeWrite()
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13:28 < mach3_domke> Huomenta
13:28 < mach3_domke> i have a question about actions..
13:28 < impl> 'kay
13:29 < mach3_domke> i have an Module "Default" and an action PlaylistAction.class.php
13:29 < mach3_domke> now i created a new Module "Mobil" and there i have a PlaylistAction.class.php too
13:29 < impl> sure
13:29 < mach3_domke> is that ok?
13:30 < impl> Yeah - the class names are prefixed by the module name so it's fine
13:30 < mach3_domke> ok
13:30 < mach3_domke> fine
13:30 < mach3_domke> i have than a question abput routing :)
13:31 < mach3_domke> i have a route <route name="rsh.mobil" pattern="^/mobil" module="RSH" action="Mobil.Index"> and this rout implements a subrout  <route name=".mobilplaylist" pattern="^/MobilPlaylist$" action="Mobil.Playlist" />
13:31 < impl> sure, although this I might not be able to answer ;p
13:31 < impl> okay
13:32 < mach3_domke> what happend if i have another route which has the some attribute name value like <route name=".mobilplaylist" pattern="^/MobilPlaylist$" action="Mobil.Playlist" /> but it is a Soubroute
13:32 < mach3_domke> Subroute
13:33 < impl> The route names are concatenated
13:33 < impl> so the first route the name is actually "rsh.mobil.mobilplaylist"
13:33 < impl> and in the second case it would be "<parent route name>.mobilplaylist"
13:33 < impl> so there wouldn't be any problem
13:33 < mach3_domke> ok thanks that was all
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13:34 < impl> yup
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14:16 < _cheerios> Zed recommends django. http://www.zedshaw.com/blog/2009-03-20.html
14:17 < digitarald> I'd look into it too when I had the time :)
14:19 < _cheerios> the mvc is a pos compared to agavi, but it wins out as an overall package (easy models+orm)
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15:15 < MrJeep> under linu
15:15 < MrJeep> linux*
15:16 < MrJeep> is it _that_ hard to enable the json module ?
15:16 < MrJeep> jeez
15:16 < _cheerios> ?
15:18 < MrJeep> hosting company
15:18 < MrJeep> retarder...
15:18 < MrJeep> ded*
15:18 < MrJeep> only 1 hosing plan, 1MB disk space
15:18 < _cheerios> heh
15:18 < MrJeep> but we had to push really hard to make them install php 5.2+
15:19 < MrJeep> but now there is no json module enabled
15:19 < MrJeep> it'S on linux
15:19 < MrJeep> we just a shitload of ajax
15:19 < MrJeep> all in json
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15:20 < MrJeep> so
15:21 < MrJeep> they are telling me it's complicated to enable json
15:21 < MrJeep> on linux
15:21 < MrJeep> true or false ?
15:21 < MrJeep> i think with ubuntu it could be easy as apt-get install json-package-for-php-or-whatever
15:21 < DracoBlue> apt-get install php5-json
15:22 < DracoBlue> oh, in 5.2 it's shipped in the core, isn't it?
15:22 < DracoBlue> btw. you could still go for a php-based json implementation, if they really can't manage it.
15:23 < MrJeep> that's what I'll do if they fail
15:25 < stachu> could you tell me how to force FPF to add error before field when im using $this->getContainer()->getValidationManager()->setError('item[categories][]', 'Required!')
15:25 < stachu> ?
15:25 < stachu> it works fine when i try to add ...setError('item[category_id]', ... it looks like problem with arrays []
15:26 < stachu> and it adds error on top of the page
15:26 < _cheerios> MrJeep, json comes bundled with 5.2.0+, nothing extra to do
15:27 < MrJeep> apparently they did find out a  way to screw up
15:27 < _cheerios> i wouldn't expect much expertise from a hosting place offering 1MB disk space :)
15:27 < MrJeep> yeah but the client wanted to go there
15:28 < _cheerios> as long as you're getting paid for the extra trouble, however many months it can take!
15:28 < _cheerios> time to call it a week
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15:53 < graste> stachu: try  <ae:parameter name="error_messages"> or  <ae:parameter name="multi_field_error_messages"> if <ae:parameter name="field_error_messages"> doesn't work
15:54 < CIA-57> felix * r3949 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/ (53 files in 21 dirs): finished chapter about slots, refs #1063
15:55 < CIA-57> felix * r3950 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/stage5/: copying stage4 app as base for stage5, refs #1063
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16:00 < v-dogg> Le Wombert
16:01 < Wombert> ohai v-dogg 
16:01 < Wombert> I'm hungover now
16:01 < Wombert> and feel kind of sick
16:01 < v-dogg> :p
16:01 < Wombert> should be an entertaining flight back then
16:01 < v-dogg> take something strong like vodka 
16:02 < v-dogg> it'll help
16:02 < v-dogg> eventually :)
16:02 < Wombert> v-dogg: tweet something
16:02 < v-dogg> heh
16:02 < v-dogg> suuure
16:02 < v-dogg> I came home, made a few calls and then went to bed 
16:02 < v-dogg> but I'm still tired
16:03 < Wombert> I think I'll sleep on the plane
16:03 < Wombert> should help
16:03 < graste> sleeping on a plane doesn't work for me
16:04 < graste> on the other hand I don't know how axhausted you are  ^^
16:04 < graste> finns are crazy ppl :P
16:06 < Wombert> of us all, I was clearly in the best shape
16:06 < asonge> win 3
16:06 < Wombert> until we arrived at helsinki airport
16:06 < v-dogg> Wombert: you such a hard-core boozer :)
16:06 < Wombert> maybe it was horros' driving! :D
16:07 < v-dogg> this is everyday life for you
16:07 < v-dogg> fast cars and parties 
16:07 < stachu> graste: could you take a look? http://pastebin.com/m60f0bd93    its only 40 lines
16:09 < stachu> i have tried changing this parameters but it still dosent work
16:09 < stachu> always it runs error_messages
16:12 < Wombert> you need to do
16:12 < Wombert> item[features][2][0]
16:12 < Wombert> for the first one
16:12 < Wombert> it counts them for you
16:12 < Wombert> the input name can remain item[features][2][]
16:12 < Wombert> $this->getContainer()->getValidationManager()->setError('item[categories]', 'bleee');
16:12 < Wombert> that should not work for <select name="item[categories][]">
16:12 < Wombert> maybe a bug
16:15 < graste> v-dogg	this is everyday life for you
16:15 < graste> 	v-dogg	fast cars and parties
16:15 < graste> we're ze germans
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16:19 < stachu> he's gone, but thanks anyway
16:20 < graste> :)
16:20 < graste> sorry
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16:38 < horros> hi
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16:51 < Xylakant> hey guys
16:52 < Xylakant> does anyone know a good library to create rss feeds?
16:53 < horros> Sorry, no :(
16:53 < horros> I just had a brilliant idea.
16:53 < horros> I'm gonna sign up to twitter and lie about everything!
16:55 < Xylakant> horros: get the new eagle account
16:55 < horros> The comeagainwhatnow?
16:55 < Xylakant> you'll get an immediate 1000 followes
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20:00 < macen> _cheerios:  http://www.pharmacy2u.co.uk/productdetail.aspx?code=ENEP84
20:00 < macen> epicness 
20:01 < macen> (srsly) 
20:01 < macen> dangerous with alcohol :>
20:06 < CIA-57> david * r3951 /branches/david-input-types/src/validator/AgaviValidator.class.php: allow passing of result code to AgaviValidator::export(), refs #816
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20:07 < CIA-57> david * r3952 /branches/david-input-types/src/validator/AgaviJsonDecoderValidator.class.php: 
20:07 < CIA-57> more reliable detection of decoding errors, allow specifying of export result
20:07 < CIA-57> code (see previous commit; still unsure whether this should be NOT_PROCESSED or
20:07 < CIA-57> SUCCESS, I think NOT_PROCESSED is better, but it uses SUCCESS at the moment).
20:07 < CIA-57> refs #661
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20:14 < horros> hi
20:14 < horros> I talked myself out of going to the gig \o/
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20:27 < CIA-57> david * r3953 /branches/david-input-types/src/validator/AgaviJsonDecoderValidator.class.php: make NOT_PROCESSED the default status for values exported from a json object, refs #816
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20:39 < _cheerios> omfg at making php do things its not supposed to. hilarity :)
20:39 < Rick> ?
20:40 < Rick> what do you mean?
20:40 < Rick> what do you think php is not supposed to do?
20:40 < _cheerios> act like an object-oriented language
20:43 < Rick> is there something specific you're reacting to? cos I don't see anything wrong with that?
20:43  * Rick grins
20:44 < Rayne> i would rename #agavi's topic to "php sucks but we use it" if i could :P
20:44 < Rick> php sucks but it's the only viable option until someone bothers to make something better? :p
20:48 < _cheerios> Rick, looked at http://blog.agilephp.com/2009/03/19/real-programming-with-php-53-part-1-array-processing/ . You can make PHP behave like the Ruby examples, with the same amount of lines, and just as clear code -- but its just not built-in.
20:48 < Rick> _cheerios: that's the thing, I don't like ruby :-)
20:49 < Rick> though anonymous functions would be nice
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20:53 < _cheerios> these devilish tricks that will make you eyeroll will be in my orm when it just ever sees the light of day :)
20:56 < Rick> haha
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22:24 < E_mE> macen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octacosanol  <-- look at that
22:29 < E_mE> hehe http://woodgears.ca/jenga_pistol/
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01:20 < saracen_> still no name for the Contents of the Execution Container?
01:21 < saracen_> Maybe you should just call it \
01:21 < saracen_> Being the only thing you can do when theres no alternative, apparently.
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01:57 < Ox40> Hey, how would I go about returning an image type from an action?
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02:02 < impl> Ox40: wat you wants
02:02 < Ox40> >>[Ox40] Hey, how would I go about returning an image type from an action?
02:03 < Ox40> Can / Should it be defined inoutput types?
02:03 < impl> You would create an output type for your image, say 'jpeg', that has an associated Content-Type header, create an executeJpeg() in your view, and return the contents of the jpeg image from that function
02:03 < Ox40> I have a script that outputs an image as a captcha, but... I thought it would be best to incorportate that as an action, yes?
02:03 < impl> sure, that's fine. the action just doesn't handle the Html output type.
02:04 < impl> I highly recommend using reCAPTCHA though, it helps the world :>
02:04 < Ox40> I tried recaptcha...
02:04 < Ox40> its a pain in the butt, and the audio accessibilities stuff is pure awful
02:05 < impl> And yours is going to have audio at all? :P
02:05 < Ox40> Yep it does :)
02:05 < Ox40> http://www.phpcaptcha.org/try-securimage/
02:06 < impl> Oh, you're just using a library.
02:06 < Ox40> :)
02:07 < impl> anyway, yeah. that's fine.
02:07 < Ox40> :)
02:07 < Ox40> cooolio
02:07 < Ox40> How do I make sure that that action gets that output type tho???
02:08 < impl> <route name="jpeg" pattern="\.jpg$" output_type="jpeg" cut="true" stop="false" />
02:08 < Ox40> cut?
02:08 < impl> cut means 'remove this part of the pattern from matches against future patterns'
02:09 < Ox40> but, it should just die shouldnt it?
02:10 < Ox40> well, that route would have module and action in it right?
02:11 < impl> Nope
02:11 < Ox40> O.o
02:11 < impl> it doesn't die because you have stop="false"
02:11 < impl> so you put it at the top of your file, and then any further routes it sees
02:12 < impl> it tries to run executeJpeg() in the view instead of executeHtml()
02:12 < impl> because you switched your output type to jpeg
02:12 < Ox40> O.o sounds like a good way to make a disaster
02:12 < impl> not really, it works pretty well if you want to e.g. publish your data in HTML and XML
02:13 < Ox40> hmmm
02:15 < impl> you can obviously also just set output_type="jpeg" on a specific route
02:15 < Ox40> that would probably be better ;)
02:15 < Ox40> because I dont want it always being *.jpg
02:15 < Ox40> and matching it twice seems pointless
02:16 < impl> yeah, that might be a better idea in your case.
02:16 < Ox40> ;)
02:19 < Ox40> is executeJpeg called in the view or action or both?
02:20 < Ox40> in the action, then return a view that does what and then what? man, ... confused
02:24 < impl> ?
02:24 < impl> actions have executeRead, executeWrite methods correspond to GET/POST/etc
02:24 < impl> views have executeHtml, executeJson, executeYourOutputTypeHere corresponding to the output types
02:29 < Ox40> ah
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02:32 < coachz> hi
02:32 < coachz> i'm looking for a tool to help me speed up writing a php/mysql database driven site,  is agavi it ?
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02:35 < impl> coachz: That's not a question that we can answer easily.
02:35 < coachz> can you answer it with much difficulty then :-)
02:36 < impl> Well... how well do you understand MVC?
02:36 < coachz> i have strong db skills and javascript, asp, vba, vb and web skills but am learning php and need to put together a site that hits about 20 mysql tables
02:37 < coachz> i know nothing about MVC
02:37 < impl> You'll want to research that first.
02:37 < coachz> how long does it take to be an MVC expert
02:37 < impl> Oh, a few years or so
02:37 < coachz> nice
02:37 < impl> Agavi doesn't provide any intrinsic database features besides connectivity to an external adapter (like PHP's PDO, or Propel, or Doctrine)
02:37 < coachz> so it sounds like hand coding will be my fastest way to build this app
02:38 < impl> Well, it's possible to use MVC without being an expert in it, but I would at least make a valiant attempt to figure out how it works first.
02:38 < coachz> are there any other tools besides Agavi that speed up site design for db driven sites
02:38 < impl> There are several PHP Web frameworks
02:39 < impl> Most (all?) of them are based on MVC as well
02:39 < coachz> they are only useful to me if they will actually speed up my development though and not have a huge learning curve
02:39 < Ox40> oooff, VB knowledge is not a plus ;) :P
02:39 < impl> Well, I can't say that
02:39 < impl> 'cause I'm not you :P
02:40 < coachz> i'm open to any suggestions
02:40 < impl> I can't give suggestions because I don't know the nature of your project. :P
02:41 < coachz> just doing inserts / updates and deletes of mysql database relational tables
02:41 < coachz> that's it
02:42 < impl> well, if you just need a simple Webapp that only does CRUD, Agavi probably isn't the best solution for you
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02:42 < coachz> can you recommend anything ?
02:43 < impl> Ruby on Rails :P
02:43 < coachz> short learning curve ?
02:44 < impl> You could probably get an application running in a night with it. Everyone else does.
02:44 < coachz> sounds pretty friendly to learn
02:45 < impl> Yeah, it's not very extensible, but if it's all you need then *shrug*
02:45 < impl> The right tool for the right job.
02:45 < coachz> well thank you for the info
02:45 < coachz> maybe i can get a faster design that way
02:46 < impl> sure, g'luck
02:47 < Ox40> :|
02:47 < Ox40> The problem with that question is "How fast can I learn ___"
02:47 < coachz> do i have to learn the Ruby language first to use Ruby on Rails ?
02:47 < Ox40> I mean... Man, you can spend 2 years with PHP and still not know how to do some stuff...
02:47 < impl> Kinda.
02:47 < Ox40> coachz: there was a good example somewhere, google it
02:47 < coachz> The question is actually  "Which takes the least learning to get results"
02:48 < Ox40> coachz: just plain old PHP
02:48 < Ox40> plain and simple.
02:48 < Ox40> I can get you with a webpage in 2 seconds.
02:48 < coachz> a good example of ruby on rails ?
02:48 < Ox40> Easy, RoR is... not quite that easy.
02:48 < Ox40> yeah, there was one somewhere
02:48 < impl> coachz: go to their site
02:48 < impl> they have screencasts and shit
02:49 < coachz> ok, thanks very much
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05:19 < arcane> impl smells
05:19 < impl> nuhhhh uh
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05:48 < Wombert> mmmm
05:48  * Wombert eats impl 
05:50 < Wombert> Ox40: http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/php/Agavi_Recaptcha
05:50  * impl is basic, unfortunate for your stomach acids
05:52  * Wombert eats impl with quite a sour sauce
05:52 < impl> lawl
05:52 < Wombert> impl: seen users@ ?
05:53 < Wombert> I like it
05:53 < impl> uuh, what about it?
05:53 < Wombert> I hope you do, but I kinda guess you won't :p
05:53 < impl> "squad"?
05:53 < Wombert> the suggestion I made re: name
05:53 < Wombert> mhm
05:53 < Wombert> :<
05:53 < impl> not particularly :P
05:53 < impl> i think it sounds cheesy
05:53 < Wombert> oh yeah that's kind of intentional
05:53 < impl> :\
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06:42 < horros> Huomenta.
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07:13 < v-dogg> huomenta
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08:38 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:38 < _cheerios> last BSG ep? :<
09:46 < saracen_> then tv movie :)
10:05 < _cheerios> sweet
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10:32 < graste> huomenta
10:43 < Rayne> hey guys
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14:23 < Wombert> saracen_: ping
14:25 < saracen_> Wombert: png
14:25 < saracen_> err
14:25 < saracen_> pong*
14:25 < saracen_> sup?
14:27 < Wombert> saracen_: l4d
14:27 < Wombert> come quick
14:27 < Wombert> 3 in lobby :)
14:27 < saracen_> No can do
14:27 < ttj> Haha. :D
14:27 < Wombert> saracen_: you suck
14:27 < saracen_> I'm at the dock (@see maritime). =(
14:28 < saracen_> aka. girlfriends house
14:28 < Wombert> :<
14:28 < saracen_> Her EEE PC won't be up for l4d I think :P
14:29 < Wombert> heh
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14:46 < MrJeep> l4d runs on mac ?
14:46 < MrJeep> looks like a nice shooter
14:54 < stachu> i have created validator which contains $this->throwError(null, 'item[features][2][0]');, $this->throwError(null, 'item[features][4][0]');, it adds class "error" to good labels but appends all two errors after first input element, could you tell me how to change it? In my validator each error should be after particular <input>.
14:55 < Wombert> MrJeep: bootcamp
14:55 < MrJeep> I see
14:55 < stachu> i would appriciate any help
14:55 < MrJeep> I seriously should install bootcamp someday
14:56 < MrJeep> I did before, installed vista.. but It used a damn 40 gigs of my hard disk
14:56 < MrJeep> I hope XP can use a smaller partition
14:59 < Rayne> MrJeep, i use xp on a 5gb one and have 2gb free (programs stored on another partition, xp does needs approx 1-2gb)
14:59 < MrJeep> with bootcamp ?
14:59 < Rayne> no, but bootcamp should not make xp much fatter
14:59 < Rayne> actually i have no apple system
15:00 < MrJeep> when I installed vista bootcamp did not let me create a partition smaller than 40 gb
15:00 < Rayne> does l4d makes still fun after playing hours?
15:01 < Rayne> MrJeep, vista needs this space for... i have no idea for what, but my vista installation on a 60gb partition consumed 40gb (after install it was "only" 20gb - i think the most space is used for extracting weird tools for faster execution or so)
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15:34 < _cheerios> to-be so many wasted hours. ubuntu failing, even crashed once by now :<
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15:42 < MrJeep> linux is fun
15:43 < MrJeep> your ubuntu's crashing a lot ?
15:49 < digitarald> it was even already in pre-1.2, when I created $build('a.classX') ... you used it zilenCe :)
15:49 < digitarald> ups ...
15:49 < digitarald> ignore that ...
15:49 < digitarald> I assume that you already forgot it ...
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16:00 < _cheerios> MrJeep, no problems usually. just some recent software update made my wireless unstable.
16:01 < _cheerios> which is pretty frakkin unacceptable
16:01 < horros> Hai _cheerios 
16:01 < _cheerios> lo horros, how was the rest of the day? :)
16:01 < horros> Rather... Beer/wine/cognac-filled :|
16:01 < horros> I had a terrible hangover yesterday :(
16:03 < horros> I actually still feel worn out. I'm getting old :(
16:03 < _cheerios> heh, i felt a mere two glasses of champage, a glass of red wine and a dark beer the following morning. if i'd gone with you guys, i'd probably been hospitalized due excessive alcohol consumption :)
16:04 < horros> haha
16:04 < horros> I _think_ I arrived at the hotel at around 4am
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16:29 < v-dogg> how was the trip back to hki/tre?-)
16:34 < _cheerios> very uneventful here. tried to get some sleep. failed. ended up reading blog entries.
16:57 < Wombert> saracen_: when you gonna disembark from the boat
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17:05 < ttj> What is it with girls and leaving tons of stuff behind.
17:06 < ttj> I now have a womens' wristwatch, some dishes, toothpaste, toothbrush, and some hairpins.
17:08 < v-dogg> and girl friend coming over in 5 minutes :p
17:08 < ttj> She just left and left the watch.
17:09 < v-dogg> oh it was her stuff ;)
17:10 < ttj> Yeah. I threw away all of my ex's stuff quite a while ago. :D
17:11 < horros> v-dogg: hki-tre was very uneventful and I nearly fell asleep :|
17:12 < horros> and tku-hki was peculiar. The moment I got hungry all the ABCs seemed to vanish.
17:12 < horros> Before that, there was like 16839485 ABCs per 10km
17:13 < ttj> Haha. Amateurs. Tonight is going to consist of one housewarming party, then checking out this new club that opened yesterday and then a friend of mine has been bitching and moaning about going to see another club he hasn't been to yet.
17:13 < ttj> horros: Murphy's Law. :D
17:14 < horros> Yes, quite :)
17:14 < horros> I managed to talk myself out of going to the gig missus was dragging me to
17:14 < horros> which was nice
17:16 < ttj> Wombert: Oh, Riikka said hi and thanks for the shirt. Apparently it fights me very tightly right now, making it a perfect measure for checking if I gain weight.
17:17 < _cheerios> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VnQP51hCq0 :p
17:19 < Wombert> ttj: their way of saying they are serious (toothbrush)
17:19 < Wombert> ttj: cool
17:19 < Wombert> ttj: did she like the weird squirrel
17:20 < ttj> Yeah. But that may have been a mistake, since I was temporarily left without any attention. :(
17:20 < ttj> Oh shit, have to run. Party->
17:25 < graste> running to a party seems desparate
17:25 < horros> Wombert: Had a good flight back with Luftwaffe?
17:26 < Wombert> nope horros 
17:26 < Wombert> plane was full of blithering idiots
17:26 < graste> so, business as usual <:
17:27 < horros> oh dear :(
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17:29 < horros> oh bloody buggering primavera, I need to make dinner before missus gets here!
17:29 < horros> -->
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17:58 < v-dogg> uhm...
17:58 < v-dogg> http://repositoryhosting.com/
17:59 < v-dogg> what's the catch? can't be that cheap
17:59 < v-dogg> I was going to go with this: http://beanstalkapp.com/pricing (personal plan)
18:00 < v-dogg> and they don't even have trac, just repos
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18:09 < graste> url doesn't open here - either my net or theirs ;)
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18:12 < graste> for that prices - why don't you get yourself a nice virtual server somewhere
18:13 < graste> should be comparable and you get as many users etc. as you liek
18:13 < graste> don't want to bother with administration and management?
18:13 < v-dogg> no
18:13 < v-dogg> and $6 for a VPS?
18:13 < v-dogg> where?
18:14 < graste> first url doesn't open here
18:14 < v-dogg> works here
18:14 < graste> just saw the $15 personal plan
18:15 < graste> hosteurope.de offers simple VPS with root access for about 13 euro
18:15 < v-dogg> http://repositoryhosting.com offers unlimited number of repos (SVN or Git) + Trac, unlimited users and 2Gb storage for $6
18:15 < graste> hm
18:16 < graste> not bad :)
18:16 < v-dogg> +$1 / 1Gb 
18:16 < graste> and you don't have to install anything ;>
18:16 < v-dogg> yup
18:16 < v-dogg> I just spend 2 minutes creating a project and now I have SVN repo and Trac ready 
18:18 < v-dogg> I don't want to host either myself
18:19 < graste> yeah, that's somethign that bothers myself as well - don't want to bother security updates etc
18:19 < graste> that's what admins should do ;>
18:19 < v-dogg> repositoryhosting.com also has automatic backup either to your disk space or to Amazon S3
18:19 < graste> so you can download your repositories
18:20 < graste> as backup
18:20 < v-dogg> that too
18:20 < v-dogg> with "your disk space" I meant the 2Gb storage at their server
18:21 < v-dogg> or manually downloading or automatically to Amazon S3
18:21 < graste> thought so
18:22 < v-dogg> all sounds too good to be true :)
18:23 < v-dogg> 30 days (free trial) to find out what's the catch :)
18:23 < graste> hehe
18:23 < graste> speed perhaps
18:23 < graste> but for the price it has to be very slow to be called a catch
18:23 < graste> ^^
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18:29 < v-dogg> 1st test commit (several hundreds of files) didn't take too long
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18:31 < saracen_> Wombert: Tomorrow :P
18:31 < graste> I still can't open that url, weird
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18:39 < v-dogg> for somereason trac doesn't close tickets from my commit messages
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18:42 < Rayne> what do you exactly mean with "input types" Wombert ? (see https://www.ohloh.net/accounts/Wombert)
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19:00 < horros> http://loadingreadyrun.com/videos/view/410/Man-Cooking-Swiss-Meat-Roll
19:00 < horros> kek
19:01 < horros> hmm, movie time
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19:34 < stachu> graste: maybe you know how to depend on this validator? <validator class="isset" provides="selected_features"><arguments base="item[features][][]">
19:37 < graste> something like <validator class="..." depends="item[features][][selected_features]"> perhaps
19:37 < graste> never had to do something like that :)
19:37 < graste> good luck
19:37 < graste> show me the example, if it works as expected - makes a good faq entry probably :P
19:38 < graste> v-dogg provided a similar example: http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_4
19:39 < stachu> ok
19:39 < stachu> thanks
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22:17 < graste> .
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22:23 < digitarald> useful++ *gg* http://www.zend.com//code/codex.php?ozid=1028&single=1
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23:03 < Wombert> graste: http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_11
23:03 < Wombert> values can also be an array itself
23:04 < graste> hmm
23:05 < graste> and then?
23:06 < Wombert> well then its nicer
23:06 < Wombert> :)
23:07 < graste> how?
23:07 < Wombert> without the foo,bar,baz and "sep" stuff
23:08 < graste> I gather as much as that, but don't know how to specify an array there...argument=day, values=weeknames[]?
23:11 < graste> btw one question - how do you name your validators? valid_something or invalid_something - how do you decide the naming scheme? :>
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23:13 < Wombert> no clue really
23:13 < Wombert> I mean, I don't do any actual programming with agavi
23:13 < Wombert> I just invent features and hope they will be useful to people <:
23:13 < graste> hrhr
23:14 < Wombert> (kind of serious, which is also kind of sad)
23:14 < Wombert> usually, I'd pick a name that describes the intended outcome
23:14 < Wombert> date_valid
23:14 < Wombert> etc
23:14 < Wombert> although "valid" strikes me as odd
23:14 < Wombert> so
23:14 < Wombert> "product_id"
23:14 < Wombert> "product_name"
23:14 < Wombert> might be better
23:15 < Wombert> "valid" or "invalid" in the name seems redundant
23:15 < graste> probably - otherwise you'd have failed validations in the request with names like "valid_something"
23:15 < Wombert> anyway, we should start thinking about how to get your faq into a proper documentation thing
23:15 < graste> I've got a trac account thanks to felix and dominik
23:15 < Wombert> yes but
23:15 < Wombert> I'd rather have it in DITA
23:16 < graste> <:
23:16 < Wombert> because that has always been the intention
23:16 < Wombert> it's made for exactly this stuff
23:16 < Wombert> and we could cross-ref with docs, api docs etc
23:16 < graste> well, it's handcrafted html anyways
23:16 < graste> should be no problem to craft some xml then I'd say
23:16 < Wombert> (assuming noah will find a way to produce dita output from doxygen)
23:16 < graste> although I didn't do DITA before
23:17 < graste> thing is, I like the syntax highlighting (even though the colors are the default ones and rather weird sometimes)
23:18 < graste> I think most of the entries are not neccessary anmore, when there's a new overhauled version of the tuitorial or the like
23:18 < graste> -i
23:18 < graste> .c
23:18 < graste> wah, tired
23:23 < Wombert> an FAQ or knowledge base thing is always good to have
23:24 < Wombert> with dita, it's even possible to reuse content, so stuff could be in a KB, the tutorial, and a reference guide
23:24 < Wombert> although it's hard to tell a continuous story this way
23:24 < Wombert> I've read a book (on DITA) written in DITA, and it was incredibly boring and kept repeating things over and over
23:28 < graste> yeah, well, good docs are hard to do
23:29 < graste> tutorial is nice, snippets are always a thing ppl search for
23:29 < graste> imho
23:29 < graste> at least I don#t want to have to read a whole book just to get started with something
23:29 < graste> and most programming books are boring anyways
23:30 < graste> historical lessons for 30% of the time, rest ios some snippets that are not production ready
23:30 < graste> and misleading in worst case
23:30 < graste> that's why I think it's important to focus on a good practices tutorial and nice sample application for Agavi
23:31 < graste> with as much snippets and things to learn, to get started
23:31 < graste> I mean: who knows about the translation manager or the fragment caching or fpf before diving into a real application
23:32 < graste> so nice examples are necessary
23:42 < Wombert> WHERE IS CHEERIOS
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00:47 < Ox40> Dear god...
00:47 < Ox40> !ban *!Rendez@* -_-
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03:47 < Ox40> hey, where did I set the VAlidation User?
03:47 < Ox40> FActories.xml
03:47 < Ox40> nvm
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07:00 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:06 < horros> huomenta
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07:45 < v-dogg> repositoryhosting.com seems very very cool
07:45 < digitarald> Huomenta
07:45 < v-dogg> but now a newly-created projects trac gives me internal server errors :)
07:46 < v-dogg> but I guess that's normal with trac
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09:25 < CIA-57> felix * r3954 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/topics/tutorial/step4/slots.dita: fixes missing id, fixes build error, refs #1063
09:32 < CIA-57> felix * r3955 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/ (8 files in 5 dirs): chapter about accessing the database, refs #1063
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10:10 < graste> huomenta
10:12 < MikeSeth_> weeee
10:18 < _cheerios> huomenta
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11:11 < Wombert> nom?
11:41 < horros> nom
11:43 < saracen_> nom.
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12:22 < saracen_> Test!
12:23 < saracen_> w00t, sort-of-clean-keyboard
12:23 < saracen_> Why don't they make a keyboard so you can easily clean under the keys =(
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13:05 < [CycLoNe]> hi everybody, i have a problem regarding the installation of agavi with windows/xampp 1.7.0
13:05 < [CycLoNe]> i went through this tutorial: http://www.simonholywell.com/computing/internet/agavi-1.0-beta-on-xampp-1.7.0.html
13:06 < [CycLoNe]> but when i run agavi in cmd i get the following error:
13:06 < [CycLoNe]> project.php:152: cant load default task list
13:07 < [CycLoNe]> in this line there is a call of a .properties file
13:07 < [CycLoNe]> but this doesn´t exist
13:07 < [CycLoNe]> has anyone an idea what went wrong and how i can fix this?
13:13 < _cheerios> google up the error "cant load default task list" should get you moving
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13:24 < [CycLoNe]> what i get is only old results from propel installation which isn't helpful
13:31 < _cheerios> looks like phing/pear related (if you used pear). i don't use windows, nor xampp, nor pear so its hard to say -- haven't run into that.
13:39 < [CycLoNe]> hmm
13:43 < Rayne> is it possible to validate form arrays (like <input name="foo[bar]" /><input name="foo[baz]" /><input name="foo[wh00t]" /> ?
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13:43 < Rayne> where the index is not known (or is only foo[])
13:44 < Rayne> but it is known that the content has to be a string witch x chars
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14:04 < Rayne> well, i found the solution in the mailing list :)
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14:16 < MikeSeth_> [CycLoNe]: there's a problem with your installation I assume
14:16 < MikeSeth_> [CycLoNe]: install it using PEAR
14:16 < [CycLoNe]> i had
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14:16 < [CycLoNe]> using channel-discover
14:16 < MikeSeth> what agavi version did you install?
14:16 < [CycLoNe]> 1.0.0
14:17 < MikeSeth> could you please paste this into pastebin
14:17 < [CycLoNe]> what exactly do u want me to paste?
14:17 < MikeSeth> the errors from agavi/phing
14:17 < MikeSeth> also
14:17 < MikeSeth> pear config-set preferred_state beta <- this shouldn't be done for 1.0.0
14:17 < MikeSeth> make sure pear actually installed 1.0.0 and not old beta version
14:18 < [CycLoNe]> hmm i didnt do that because it wasn´t the beta i installed...
14:18 < [CycLoNe]> so u think, that´s the source of the error?
14:18 < MikeSeth> I don't know
14:18 < MikeSeth> did you also install phing or use the one that comes with xampp?
14:18 < [CycLoNe]> i used this from xampp
14:18 < MikeSeth> oh
14:19 < MikeSeth> then uninstall it and install the latest one from phing.info
14:19 < MikeSeth> i think the latest xampp allows you to do that with pear
14:19 < MikeSeth> (it didnt cause any troubles for me on my windows dev box)
14:19 < [CycLoNe]> how do i uninstall phing seperately from xampp?
14:20 < MikeSeth> pear uninstall phing
14:20 < MikeSeth> pear uninstall phing/phing maybe
14:20 < MikeSeth> or you could just try pear upgrade phing
14:23 < [CycLoNe]> "nothing to upgrade"
14:23 < MikeSeth> which phing version?
14:23 < [CycLoNe]> for uninstalling phing i have to uninstall agavi first
14:23 < MikeSeth> phing -v 
14:23  * Wombert yawns
14:24 < Wombert> pear uninstall phing-phing --force
14:24 < Wombert> or so
14:24 < Wombert> xampp people are idiots
14:24 < Wombert> they really are
14:25 < Wombert> they ship completely broken phing installs
14:25 < Wombert> and other broken pear packages
14:25 < MikeSeth> wtf did you want, its friggin windows
14:25 < Wombert> they also do not bundle the licenses of those
14:25 < Wombert> which means license violations
14:25 < Wombert> I told them months ago, but it seems they don't care...
14:26 < Wombert> [CycLoNe]: pear upgrade -f phing/phing
14:27 < [CycLoNe]> it does upgrade
14:27 < [CycLoNe]> 2.3.3 now
14:27 < MikeSeth> wfm @ 2.3.3
14:27 < [CycLoNe]> wfm?
14:27 < MikeSeth> works for me
14:27 < [CycLoNe]> k
14:28 < MikeSeth> not what it means on craigslist lol
14:28 < Wombert> btw http://www.simonholywell.com/computing/internet/agavi-1.0-beta-on-xampp-1.7.0.html
14:28 < [CycLoNe]> yeah, it works
14:28 < [CycLoNe]> thank you!
14:28 < MikeSeth> Wombert: you should tell simon to drop beta instructions
14:28 < MikeSeth> [CycLoNe]: welcome to the conspiracy
14:28 < Wombert> btw [CycLoNe] and MikeSeth 
14:28 < Wombert> if you have a moment
14:28 < [CycLoNe]> thx :)
14:28 < Wombert> hop onto their irc channel or forum and yell at them
14:28 < MikeSeth> whose forum
14:28 < MikeSeth> phing?
14:28 < Wombert> (xampp people)
14:28 < MikeSeth> ah
14:28 < Wombert> no phing is fine
14:28 < Wombert> as I said
14:28 < Wombert> it's a XAMPP problem
14:29 < MikeSeth> i can write a script to flood their ticketing system.. they have one amirite
14:29 < MikeSeth> heh
14:29 < graste> :>
14:29 < MikeSeth> phing is fine? well impl has a different idea 'bout that
14:29 < MikeSeth> what was it that the comments in the code said last time
14:30 < MikeSeth> in b4 "in soviet russia, phing unfucks you"
14:30 < MikeSeth> [CycLoNe]: you've seen our tutorial right?
14:30 < MikeSeth> oh man i need to update it :<
14:30 < Wombert> felix is doing that
14:30 < Wombert> its coming next week
14:30 < Wombert> big big update
14:30 < [CycLoNe]> yes, i wanna go through that now
14:30 < Wombert> also [CycLoNe] 
14:31 < Wombert> be sure to download the normal source zip
14:31 < Wombert> and look at samples/
14:31 < Wombert> you can run it right there
14:31 < Wombert> samples/pub/index.php
14:31 < MikeSeth> Wombert: do you think we should switch the action layout to the one you suggested in the ticket in the stock distro?
14:31 < [CycLoNe]> ok
14:31 < Wombert> no MikeSeth 
14:31 < Wombert> no support from the build system yet
14:31 < MikeSeth> huh?
14:31 < Wombert> so we cant
14:31 < MikeSeth> what do you mean no support
14:31 < MikeSeth> it generates the stuff okay
14:32 < Wombert> you mean http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/668 right?
14:32 < MikeSeth> ya
14:33 < MikeSeth> create actions in the build system work
14:33 < MikeSeth> unless i wuz really stoned and remapped the whole thing manually
14:33 < MikeSeth> which i might have
14:33 < MikeSeth> but I *think* it works
14:35 < graste> one small gotcha with that layout are the file names - they are all the same throughout modules, everything is called Action.class.php and Success*.php etc. - makes it hard to use in IDEs if you have a habit of opening like 30+ file tabs :P
14:35 < graste> otherwise I like it ;)
14:35 < MikeSeth> graste: meh, problem doesn't exist in emacs :D
14:35 < MikeSeth> (in pdt, worksets ftw)
14:36 < Wombert> graste: yeah but we can't do anything bout that :)
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14:36 < graste> :>
14:36 < Wombert> MikeSeth: it doesn't, no, there is no support for it
14:36 < Wombert> impl needs to do that
14:36 < graste> can't? I can't believe that :P
14:36 < Wombert> mabye you guys can bug him about that
14:36 < graste> but hey
14:36 < graste> not that important
14:36 < MikeSeth> Wombert: then htf did i convert my whole eve financing app to the new layout?
14:36 < MikeSeth> durrrr
14:37 < MikeSeth> durgs++
14:37 < Wombert> I don't know, maybe you stabbed Yussi to do it
14:37  * horros humms
14:37 < MikeSeth> no, he dont play Eve :>
14:37 < horros> I hope I didn't overcheesify my pizza :|
14:38 < MikeSeth> i had this huge hamburger just now
14:38 < MikeSeth> [CycLoNe]: out of curiousity, how did you hear about Agavi?
14:38 < horros> I had a pizza in the freezer onto which I added the world's most bluecheese and then some extra cheese!
14:38 < horros> Cheese ftw!
14:39 < graste> put some cheese on top for a nice finish
14:39 < horros> I ran out of cheese :(
14:39 < graste> :\
14:39 < MikeSeth> traeson!
14:39 < horros> cheeson!
14:41 < graste> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/818
14:41 < graste> what's that about exactly?
14:42 < graste> plugins for what?
14:42 < graste> where
14:42 < Wombert> nobody knows :)
14:42 < Wombert> apps maybe
14:42 < Wombert> no clue really
14:42 < MikeSeth> wishlist lol
14:42 < Rayne> woa, 7 monts ago and no clue yet *g
14:42 < Wombert> it'll be moved to 2.0 anyway
14:42 < Wombert> :>
14:42 < graste> that's why there's so much information in that ticket
14:42 < graste> i see
14:42 < Wombert> plugins, components, modules, bleh
14:42 < Wombert> I think that particular one
14:42 < Wombert> is for "externals"
14:42 < Wombert> where you can plug in 3rd party libraries
14:43 < Wombert> and access them through the context
14:43 < Wombert> so you don't need to wrap them in models
14:43 < Wombert> (which is not wrong; the concept of domain models, which we use, has the notion of "services" for exactly that, but it bothers some people)
14:43 < [CycLoNe]> MikeSeth, i read an article about mvc architecture, a comment to it listed some mvc frameworks and one of them was agavi
14:43 < Wombert> or no, I should rephrase that
14:44 < Wombert> [CycLoNe]: link? :>
14:44 < graste> :>
14:44 < Wombert> anyway, the domain *layer* knows services in addition to just the models
14:44 < Wombert> [CycLoNe]: I see you are german
14:44 < graste> k
14:44 < Wombert> latest PHP Magazin has a tutorial article on Agavi
14:44 < Wombert> you might want to check it out
14:44 < graste> tz, self plug
14:45 < [CycLoNe]> ok, thx
14:45 < MikeSeth> [CycLoNe]: which article was that?
14:45 < graste> <:
14:45 < [CycLoNe]> just a mom :)
14:45 < MikeSeth> Wombert: woot where
14:45 < MikeSeth> Wombert: is that deadtree?
14:45 < Wombert> affirmative MikeSeth 
14:45 < Wombert> and in german
14:45 < MikeSeth> well do they at least say positive things
14:45 < graste> hahaha
14:46 < MikeSeth> and by positive i mean "abandon all you know it's meaningless now"
14:46 < MikeSeth> your puny days of grinding crap code are over etc?
14:46 < graste> well, the unknown author wasn't allowed to speak bad of other frameworks ;)
14:46 < MikeSeth> o rly
14:46 < MikeSeth> maybe we need another phplondon'08 :>
14:47 < graste> I need a coffee
14:47 < MikeSeth> [CycLoNe]: I wonder if it was an article I wrote :P
14:47 < [CycLoNe]> hehe
14:48 < [CycLoNe]> i`m still searching it
14:48 < [CycLoNe]> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/php/2005/09/15/mvc_intro.html?page=1
14:49 < graste> woah, 2005 :D
14:49 < MikeSeth> certainly not mine heh
14:49 < MikeSeth> yes thats like
14:49 < MikeSeth> from before 0.11
14:49 < graste> took you some time to find an IRC client, [CycLoNe] ;-)
14:49 < MikeSeth> when we had action stack heh
14:49 < [CycLoNe]> page 6, 6th comment
14:49 < graste> *click*
14:49 < [CycLoNe]> hehe no
14:49 < [CycLoNe]> i read it like, november last year
14:49 < MikeSeth> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/php/2006/03/02/mvc_model.html WHAT THE SHIT
14:50 < MikeSeth>    public static $sessionID;
14:50 < MikeSeth> ?!?
14:50 < graste> well, your search for a PHP framework has ended
14:50 < graste> here
14:50 < [CycLoNe]> and started trying with agavi in december/january
14:50 < MikeSeth> that's true, heh
14:50 < [CycLoNe]> :)
14:50 < graste> same for me, prolly november, anyways
14:50 < MikeSeth> let's set onlamp.com on fire for this heresy
14:51 < MikeSeth> blasphemy
14:51 < [CycLoNe]> :O
14:51 < Wombert> MikeSeth: I wrote it
14:51 < Wombert> so it is errr
14:51 < Wombert> positive, yes :p
14:51 < MikeSeth> Wombert: your name is Joe Stump?
14:51 < MikeSeth> cuz unless it is, you didn't ;>
14:51 < MikeSeth> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/php/2006/03/02/mvc_model.html <- this
14:51 < Wombert> no the magazine article
14:52 < MikeSeth> ah
14:52 < MikeSeth> well then i expect it to be fine material :D
14:52 < Wombert> I hope so
14:52 < graste> he ran out of space at the end
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14:53 < MikeSeth> Wombert: i was flaming onlamp.com
14:53 < MikeSeth> for spreading lies like http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/php/2006/03/02/mvc_model.html?page=2
14:53 < graste> too many more things to note, so little space left
14:53 < ixulai> huomenta
14:53 < MikeSeth> huomenta 
14:54 < [CycLoNe]> Wombert, this? http://phpmagazin.de/itr/ausgaben/psecom,id,375,nodeid,60,_language,de.html
14:55 < ixulai> Should action specific xml validation get cached?
14:56 < Wombert> [CycLoNe]: no http://it-republik.de/php/php-magazin-ausgaben/Apache-Solr-oder-Sphinx-000294.html
14:56 < Wombert> ixulai: sorry?
14:56 < Wombert> ixulai: sure it gets compiled like any other, yeah
14:56 < Wombert> why?
14:57 < ixulai> Thought so
14:57 < [CycLoNe]> ok, thx i`ll check it out
14:58 < ixulai> I'm just trying to add some user input to an action with strict validation but can't get the validator working. The ValidationManager unsets it.
14:58 < Wombert> ixulai: is it broken or so?
14:58 < ixulai> On closer inspection the validators aren't getting cached.
14:58 < Wombert> ixulai: paste your action and the xml file
14:59 < Wombert> nah that's not the reason for the problem :)
15:01 < ixulai> The action is just a stock action created by the wizard
15:01 < Wombert> so it does not have an executeRead(), I presume
15:01 < Wombert> nor an execute()
15:01 < Wombert> which means it doesn't serve the "read" (=HTTP GET for web requests) request method
15:01 < Wombert> so no validation will occur either, and it jumps straight to the view determined by getDefaultViewName()
15:02 < Wombert> the phpdoc comments in the file should explain that (I hope they still do :p)
15:02 < ixulai> ah.
15:02 < ixulai> doh
15:03 < graste> you mean like this page long comment nobody reads?
15:03 < graste> =)
15:03 < ixulai> I was trying to get the params in the view. I assumed that "read" would be implcit if there is no action to perform.
15:04 < graste> yeah
15:04 < graste> that's how most ppl think
15:04 < graste> even myself a few months back
15:05 < ixulai> hrm, ok. let me give that a whirl then
15:08 < MikeSeth> Wombert: validation on presence of executeXXX annoys me... 
15:08 < Wombert> it used to be different
15:08 < Wombert> you had getRequestMethods()
15:08 < Wombert> where you returned Request::GET | Request::POST
15:08 < ixulai> woo, it works
15:08 < Wombert> then in execute()
15:09 < Wombert> you'd do if($request->getMethod() == Request::GET)
15:09 < MikeSeth> Wombert: no I mean I have to keep up blank execute methods or the view is exposed
15:09 < Wombert> *that* was gay I'm telling you
15:09 < MikeSeth> lol have you seen the last southpark?
15:09 < Wombert> MikeSeth: but otherwise there would be no way to skip the action stuff
15:09 < Wombert> no, I don't watch SP 
15:09 < MikeSeth> THEN YOU SHOULD
15:09 < MikeSeth> not watching  SP makes you a horrible person
15:17 < [CycLoNe]> well, thx for your help, i`m off now
15:17 < [CycLoNe]> bye
15:17 < MikeSeth> come back :P
15:17 < [CycLoNe]> i will :)
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16:14 < Wombert> v-dogg: mmmm
16:16 < horros> bored :(
16:18 < Wombert> horros: watch more TNG
16:18 < Wombert> make it so!
16:18 < Wombert> :>>>>
16:19 < Wombert> shower ->
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16:29 < horros> I've already watched um... six episodes today :(
16:30 < MikeSeth> haha
16:30 < MikeSeth> wait till you get to ds9
16:30 < MikeSeth> youll be forced to watch half a season every time
16:30 < horros> VGR is on it's way down.
16:30 < horros> And mind you, I've seen ST:TNG * 2 (or 3) already, ST:VGR * 1 and ST:DS9 * 1 :)
16:30 < MikeSeth> I have mixed feelings about VGR
16:30 < MikeSeth> particularly about the first and last episodes
16:31 < horros> I like the Q-episodes.
16:31 < horros> Also, I like Seven of Nine
16:31 < horros> :)
16:32 < _cheerios> i enjoyed vgr, but i never saw it till the end -- last ep was them being under attack and nearly getting enterprise destroyed (finale/season opener of season2-3)
16:34 < MikeSeth> horros: "FUN WILL NOW COMMENCE"
16:34 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: there was enterprise in vgr? O_O
16:35 < _cheerios> *shrug* i remembered there always was, it was 1997 -- it wasn't the enterprise voyager then, just voyage? heh
16:38 < Wombert> MikeSeth: the other day
16:38 < Wombert> horros told his girlfriend, while watching TNG
16:39 < Wombert> "bring me a beer"
16:39 < Wombert> "make it so"
16:39 < Wombert> she smacked him hard in return
16:39 < Wombert> _cheerios: btw
16:39 < MikeSeth> ahahahaha 
16:39 < MikeSeth> mean
16:39 < _cheerios> lol
16:39 < Wombert> I sucked (not licked) mint sauce from the chocolate candy off my woolen sweater
16:39 < Wombert> because wool is hydrophobic
16:39 < Wombert> the alternative would have been getting a stain on it
16:39  * Wombert stabs
16:40 < MikeSeth> ...
16:43 < horros> MikeSeth: She didn't find it amusing :(
16:43 < horros> phone, bbiab
16:43 < MikeSeth> horros: i bet she didnt
16:47 < MikeSeth> ahahahahahah http://github.com/Netfart/phishy-cms/tree/master AHAHAHAHHAHA
16:49 < _cheerios> Wombert, right. that was hard to tell apart :)
16:49 < Wombert> _cheerios: it's not nerdy :<
16:50 < MikeSeth> IN SOVIET RUSSIA
16:50 < MikeSeth> LULZ KILLZ YUO
16:50 < MikeSeth> man im bored
17:07 < horros> Me too.
17:08 < graste> welcome to the club :D
17:09 < horros> I've been bored all day since missus left at around 8am
17:12 < graste> perhaps we should try out this phshy cms thingy
17:12 < graste> at least they're honest in their readme <:
17:14 < horros> WHAT
17:14 < horros> What kind of sillyness is this?
17:14 < horros> Why is this new Kung-Fu Panda movie only 25 minutes long?
17:14 < horros> :(
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17:22 < Wombert> [17:50] MikeSeth: man im bored
17:22 < Wombert> l4d then
17:22 < Wombert> saracen_: poke
17:22 < Wombert> saracen_: you still at the boathouse?
17:23 < MikeSeth> Wombert: no can has, @office
17:23 < Wombert> kek
17:30 < horros> hmm
17:30 < horros> maybe more ST:TNG!
17:30 < horros> Yes. Make it so!
17:40 < horros> damnit
17:40 < horros> Complete and utter failure whilst defrosting some spinach. I shall try again with a lower power setting.
17:40 < horros> I turned the last batch into charcoal :x
17:46 < asonge> hooray!
17:46 < asonge> how's the spinach now, popeye?
17:46 < horros> Defrosting was a success \o/
17:56 < saracen_> 17:22:37 < Wombert> saracen_: you still at the boathouse?
17:56 < saracen_> negative
17:56 < saracen_> But, I don't feel like playing L4D atm, either :P
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18:11 < horros> This is annoying.
18:11 < horros> I can't find a particular album as a vinyl anywhere now.
18:11 < horros> And one of my usual outlets had it a few months back
18:12 < horros> but I was stupid enough not to order it :x :x :X
18:12 < horros> I've tried a few distros, ebay, amazon and anything else I can think of too :(
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18:25 < Wombert> nom
18:30 < MrJeep> this is weird
18:30 < MrJeep> I'm having some random (I think) errors with doctrine
18:30 < MrJeep> my base models don't want to get loaded
18:31 < MrJeep> I used the settings from another project which loads correctly
18:31 < MrJeep> but on this project it fails
18:31 < MrJeep> is this config file is ok ?
18:31 < MrJeep> http://pastie.org/423575
18:35 < Wombert> do you initialize doctrine in config.php?
18:36 < MrJeep> hum, no, I've never had to
18:36 < MrJeep> but I think I'll have
18:37 < MrJeep> how ?
18:38 < asonge> MrJeep: do you have both model dirs added to the doctrine autoloader?
18:39 < MrJeep> no, I thought that was done in database.xml
18:39 < asonge> <ae:parameter name="load_models"> <ae:parameter>%core.app_dir%/models/orm/generated</ae:parameter> <ae:parameter>%core.app_dir%/models/orm</ae:parameter>
18:39 < asonge> (well, it is)
18:39 < asonge> that's from my database.xml file
18:39 < asonge> you have to specify both the model dir and the model generated dir
18:39 < MrJeep> I have the exact same thing
18:39 < asonge> ah
18:40 < MrJeep> http://pastie.org/423575
18:40 < asonge> hrm
18:41 < asonge> the only difference i have is model loading set to conservative
18:41 < asonge> i'm actually just about to find out if this works right now :)
18:41 < MrJeep> :D
18:42 < MrJeep> it seems that the second parameter (the model path for the  generated stuff) is not used
18:42 < MrJeep> I can set a bad path and it's not throwing an exception
18:43 < MrJeep> this is odd
18:43 < MrJeep> on some projects, this setting works perfectly
18:43 < asonge> well, the order on mine is reversed, but *shrug*
18:43 < asonge> that can't matter
18:44 < MrJeep> ... it  does
18:44 < MrJeep> it's working now
18:44 < MrJeep> lawl
18:44 < MrJeep> funny thing
18:44 < asonge> well then there you go
18:45 < MrJeep> finally :)
18:45 < MrJeep> thank you for pointing this out
18:45 < Wombert> mhm
18:45 < Wombert> well
18:46 < Wombert> that stuff is only set
18:46 < Wombert> when the db is initialized
18:46 < Wombert> or something
18:46 < asonge> well, latent connection isn't bad
18:46 < asonge> unless you turn it off
18:46 < Wombert> and if you have an object in the session
18:46 < Wombert> etc etc
18:46 < Wombert> things like those can happen
18:46 < asonge> (should really write a parser for class constants for settings/values and attributes/values)
18:46 < asonge> like pdo has
18:47 < asonge> you know, i despise having to come back to php on my spaer time instead of erlang.
18:48 < asonge> stupid contract work
18:50 < Wombert> the doctrine lazyload stuff
18:50 < Wombert> is not well implemented
18:50 < Wombert> if you define a charset for a connection
18:50 < Wombert> which you have to for mysql
18:50 < Wombert> it will connect
18:50 < Wombert> and not do lazy connecting
18:50 < asonge> lol
18:50 < Wombert> and since you have to do that
18:51 < Wombert> if you specify a charset in agavi
18:51 < Wombert> it will connect
18:51 < Wombert> every time
18:51 < Wombert> I mean, doctrine has nice features and ideas and stuff
18:51 < Wombert> but I can find bugs in it by just skimming through source code
18:51 < asonge> well, it's structured decently
18:51 < Wombert> yeah but the code is all over the place
18:51 < asonge> for having the limitations php has in place
18:52 < asonge> okay, my dog is being dumber (than usual)
18:52 < Wombert> I guess Agavi is not a typical open source project, though, since most don't have an anally pedantic code cleanliness nazi with severe OCD like me looking over things
18:52 < asonge> lol
18:52 < Wombert> BUT AT LEAST THE CODE IS PRETTY
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19:13 < graste> but nobody does ever see that :P
19:13 < graste> we need nationwide tv ads and magazine campaigns 
19:13 < graste> !
19:13 < graste> worldwide!
19:14 < Wombert> graste: speaking of TV
19:14 < Wombert> tonights Tatort is a Münster one
19:14 < Wombert> will be funny
19:14 < Wombert> can recommend
19:14 < graste> dunno
19:15 < graste> I'm usually not watching Tatort
19:15 < graste> like all ze germans
19:15 < graste> :P
19:15 < graste> but well, I hear that music
19:15 < graste> where's that remote
19:15 < graste> ffs
19:16 < graste> hm, I should give it a try
19:18  * horros grumbles
19:19 < horros> It still annoys me that I was too drunk to ask for the receipt in that one bar on Thursday evening.
19:19 < horros> I might possibly have said "NONO, I DON'T NEED A RESCHEIPT!"
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20:13 < Wombert> not a good episode, graste 
20:13 < Wombert> :<
20:14 < horros> grr
20:14 < horros> Stupid rabbit
20:14 < horros> I wish I had a shotgun :x
20:25  * arcane horros's 
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21:03 < horros> :O
21:03 < horros> jake :O
21:04  * horros kainams arcane 
21:04  * arcane is sprung
21:04 < arcane> What's going on
21:05 < horros> Not much
21:06  * arcane spins in his chair with excitement
21:06 < horros> Heading to bed to read my book!
21:07 < horros> What on earth are you doing _here_? :)
21:08 < arcane> Just absorbing the Agavi'ness, even if i don't use it :)
21:08 < horros> I see!
21:09 < horros> Considering using it for some project, or just curious?
21:09 < horros> Did asonge get you into this!
21:09 < horros> :)
21:10 < arcane> Always considering good solutions, just researching i suppose
21:10 < arcane> Already have a pretty comfortable dev kit on-top of symfony, so will be some time before i swap
21:10 < horros> Ah. I see.
21:11 < horros> (ps. agavi > symfony ^100000)
21:11 < arcane> How come?
21:12 < horros> Wombert can explain a lot better than I do.
21:12 < horros> I heard his Agavi sales pitch on wednesday! It made me want to use Agavi even though I already do!
21:12 < horros> :)
21:12 < arcane> I am a little fedup of my bug reports getting ignored etc too
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21:14 < horros> Oh dear.
21:15 < Rayne> oh horros 
21:15 < Rayne> :P
21:15 < horros> arcane: Anyways, good to have you on board!
21:15 < horros> Or at least waiting on the pier!
21:15 < horros> :)
21:15 < arcane> :D
21:16 < horros> Right. Bed & book time for about half an hour and then zzz.
21:16 < horros> See you on the other side! \o
21:16  * horros &
21:16  * arcane waves
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22:23 < Ox40> So, I have a secure action... if I am not logged in, I get the error "Template "LoginSuccess" could not be found."
22:24 < Ox40> Where do I set the action for an unauthorized access?
22:30 < _cheerios> settings.xml
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02:15 < MugeSo> Huomenta
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06:30 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:46 < horros> Huomenta.
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06:56 < Wombert> huomenta? :>
06:57 < horros> Yes, quite!
06:57  * horros Camera Silens - Semaine Rouge
06:57  * horros hugs
06:59 < horros> ahahahaha
06:59 < horros> Wumpscut's new album apparently starts with a woman citing a news article about Matti Saari
07:00 < horros> (Finnish school shooter who had Wumpscut quotes on his website (or youtube profile, I forget))
07:01 < horros> And the song is called "Schlechter Mensch". Perhaps not what Mr. Saari would have hoped for.
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07:04 < Wombert> :<
07:04 < Wombert> mmmh
07:04 < Wombert> I could go to bed
07:04 < Wombert> or
07:04 < Wombert> I could take a shower and drive to ze office
07:04  * Wombert sighs
07:06  * Wombert The Boomtown Rats - I Don't Like Mondays
07:09 < horros> I iz tired.
07:09 < Wombert> me too
07:09 < Wombert> and I woke up at... mmm
07:10 < Wombert> 11-ish yesterday I think
07:10 < Wombert> grabbed breakfast
07:10 < Wombert> and went back to bed
07:10 < Wombert> and slept till 3 or 4
07:10 < Wombert> was super tired afterwards
07:10 < Wombert> and now I still am
07:10 < Wombert> friggen frigg
07:10 < Wombert> I want that seize-the-day-spree back I had in january
07:10 < Wombert> when I'd wake up before 6pm without an alarm
07:10 < Wombert> that was nice
07:10 < Wombert> :<
07:13 < horros> Don't overwork yourself :(
07:13 < horros> I did that about a year and a half ago
07:14 < Wombert> I don't think I'm doing that
07:14 < horros> Pretty much all of the autumn was like I come home at about 5pm, tired as hell. Refuse to go to bed
07:14 < Wombert> it's just the normal fluctuations in... not motivation but
07:14 < Wombert> hmmm
07:14 < horros> then attempting to get to sleep at maybe 10pm, but not able to sleep at all
07:14 < Wombert> hmmm
07:14 < Wombert> no, I can sleep fine I think
07:14 < horros> then falling asleep at maybe 2am and completely unable to get up or get anything done
07:14 < Wombert> but I need a new bed, a nicer one
07:14 < Wombert> mine gives me pain in the back I think
07:15 < horros> Mmh, a good bed is probably the best investment one can ever make.
07:16 < horros> I absolutely love my bed, and the frame cost me about 150e, and I got the mattresses for free
07:16 < horros> but they're just perfect for my back
07:16 < Wombert> nah, I'll have to spend more like 500-1000 on a mattress
07:16 < Wombert> that hotel in london
07:16 < Wombert> they have perfect beds
07:16 < Wombert> you fall asleep like... immediately
07:16 < horros> It varies from person to person though
07:16 < Wombert> wake up w/o issues
07:17 < Wombert> and don't remember sleeping
07:17 < horros> I, for instance, require a rather hard mattress
07:17 < Wombert> no sign of tiredness etc
07:17 < Wombert> and the mattress is *very* hard there
07:17 < Wombert> and mikeseth and impl did stay at that hotel too and said the same thing
07:17 < Wombert> it's rather miraculous
07:17 < Wombert> actually, I need to ask them what brand of mattress and sheets and bleh they use
07:17 < Wombert> because it was that brilliant
07:18 < horros> I stayed at a hotel in Oulu and the mattress was way too soft and my back hurt like a motherfucker when I woke up
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07:18 < Wombert> actuallxy
07:18 < Wombert> I will wait until after Chicago
07:18 < Wombert> cause
07:18 < Wombert> that hotel
07:19 < Wombert> has Sweet Sleeper Beds
07:19 < Wombert> and they're selling them
07:19 < Wombert> http://europe.sheraton-hotelsathome.com/
07:19 < v-dogg> more kaffe ->
07:19 < Wombert> it is expensive tho
07:19 < Wombert> eww
07:19 < horros> 3500e :O
07:21 < horros> "100% white percale 200 tc duvet cover"
07:21 < horros> That's not good.
07:22 < Wombert> is it not? :<
07:23 < horros> My dog is chocolate brown :D
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07:24 < horros> and you cannot, however much you try, not get any dog hair in the bed.
07:34 < Wombert> heh
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07:58 < MikeSeth> horros: heh i've read accounts of dog hair making it *under* the shrink wrap around the tv remote
07:59 < v-dogg> there is no place where dog hair can't penetrate
08:18 < horros> yeah
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08:18 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:18 < arcane> horros loves the dog hair in bed
08:19 < horros> Yes, absolutely.
08:19 < horros> I love the pinching feeling!
08:19 < horros> I had a dog hair that had penetrated my foot yesterday.
08:19 < horros> It was quite painful.
08:20 < arcane> wtf? is your dog superdog
08:20 < arcane> how does dog hair attack feet..
08:20 < horros> No, just a Labrador Retriever.
08:20 < horros> The "top" hair is very pointy and sharp and, if you step on it in a peculiar manner, it can pierce your foot :x
08:21 < arcane> thats crazy
08:22 < horros> That's the most interesting spam I've had in a while.
08:22 < horros> "Subject: Bacon"
08:22 < horros> :D
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08:24 < arcane> Now i have a major bacon urge
08:24  * arcane leers at graste 
08:24 < graste> huomenta
08:24  * graste hands over some bacon
08:25 < horros> Bored.
08:26 < graste> still?
08:26 < horros> Yes.
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08:29 < horros> Is it friday yet?
08:31 < v-dogg> almost
08:32 < horros> Sweet.
08:32 < arcane> damn you buggies!
08:32  * arcane swears at his non-agavi framework
08:33  * horros nelsons arcane 
08:33  * arcane is nelsons arcane
08:33 < arcane> Why is this file include hard coded?!
08:33  * arcane waves fist
08:34  * arcane goes and whinges somewhere more appropriate
08:43  * horros cranks up some more Camera Silens
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09:00 < horros> GESCHWINDIGKEITSÜBERTRETUNGSGELDSTRAFE!
09:03 < MikeSeth> om nom nom delicious pastry
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09:25 < CIA-57> felix * r3956 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/stage6/: copying stage5 app as basis for the stage6 app, refs #1063
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09:31 < kassens> morning
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09:32 < kassens> the tutorial is outdated here: http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/sample-app-prepare.html Section: "Removing the welcome Action", the  WelcomeAction is no more
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09:32 < kassens> again for Wombert ;) the tutorial is outdated here: http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/sample-app-prepare.html Section: "Removing the welcome Action", the  WelcomeAction is no more
09:33 < kassens> oh, just noticed its moved to an own Module
09:34 < v-dogg> the tutorial is outdated. a new is coming soon
09:34 < kassens> oh, cool
09:34 < v-dogg> yup, just remove the module and the route from routing.xml and you are golden
09:34 < v-dogg> plus there are some files in pub/
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09:37 < kassens> good change ;)
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10:01 < _cheerios> Wombert, is the hadoop book worth buying?
10:02 < graste> I have an XML output type and in a view the executeXml() just returns $dom->saveXML(); directly - how to configure the fragment cache for this? <output_type name="xml"><layer name="content" /></output_type> would not do much as there's no layer, is there?
10:05 < kassens> if i have a Public and User module, where makes the login action the most sense? i guess public, since it should not be restricted
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10:08 < graste> k, obviously when I omit the layer name it works as expected
10:09 < _cheerios> upto you. i keep login stuff in a login module :)
10:12 < horros> Hmm. I can't seem to get DITA to work properly.
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10:16 < horros> ha
10:16 < horros> there we go.
10:18 < horros> Hmm.
10:18 < horros> Something's wonky.
10:19 < MikeSeth_> horros: OTK sux
10:19 < MikeSeth_> everything is broken there
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10:20 < horros>   [xslt] C:\DITA\xsl\dita2xhtml_custom.xsl:45:47: Fatal Error! java.io.FileNotFoundException: C:\DITA\xsl\xslhtml\custom_html.xsl (The system cannot find the file specified) Cause: java.io.FileNotFoundException: C:\DITA\xsl\xslhtml\custom_html.xsl (The system cannot find the file specified)
10:20 < horros> :((
10:20 < arcane> wonky as bro
10:21 < MikeSeth> horros: you didnt read the readme
10:21 < MikeSeth> did you?
10:21 < horros> MikeSeth: I did.
10:21 < horros> (which readme?)
10:21 < MikeSeth> the one that comes with the tutorial source
10:22 < horros> I did.
10:22 < horros>  Directory of c:\dita\xsl
10:22 < horros> 23.03.2009  11:47            15 279 dita2xhtml_custom.xsl
10:22 < MikeSeth> umm 
10:22 < horros> However, that's not what the build process complains about.
10:22 < MikeSeth> then new version of otk is trying something funny
10:22 < MikeSeth> grep custom_html *xml 
10:23  * horros ---------- C:\DITA\XSL\DITA2XHTML_CUSTOM.XSL <xsl:import href="xslhtml/custom_html.xsl"/>
10:24 < MikeSeth> ah
10:24 < horros> Hmm.
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10:24 < MikeSeth> it imports a stylesheet from otk that isnt there any longer
10:24 < MikeSeth> comment it
10:25 < horros> yeah
10:25 < horros> now it seems to work
10:26 < MikeSeth> the buildfiles i wrote are fugly..
10:26 < horros> Yez. I'm assuming it's supposed to look rather "ascetic"?
10:27 < MikeSeth> no, it's all I had patience for without buying a book on ant
10:27 < MikeSeth> and xslt
10:36 < horros> This is annoying me
10:36 < horros> Why are all the links opening in a separate window?
10:36 < horros> :x
10:36 < MikeSeth> they shouldnt iirc
10:37 < MikeSeth> probably from the index frame
10:37 < MikeSeth> but not from each other
10:37 < horros> yes.
10:37 < horros> mmhm.
10:37 < horros> It still annoys me.,
10:37 < MikeSeth> as of the moment otk doesnt really allow you to customize index page generation
10:37 < MikeSeth> at least it didnt when i worked with it
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10:50 < E_mE_> huomenta
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10:57 < horros> Ooh, netsplit.
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10:59 < v-dogg> :)
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11:28 < MikeSeth> horros: so does it work in the end?
11:28 < horros> miek: yes, I got it to compile the docks
11:28 < horros> err
11:28 < horros> docs
11:28 < MikeSeth> oh aight
11:29 < horros> Then I got busy with other stuff
11:29 < horros> (appearing to be busy but avoiding doing work)
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12:00 < splatch> hello :)
12:01 < splatch> hmm
12:01 < splatch> Symfony 1.2 has support for Forms :)
12:01 < splatch> http://www.symfony-project.org/book/forms/1_2/en/
12:04 < Wombert> all form creator systems are fail
12:04 < Wombert> except for the fact that you can re-use and nest
12:04 < Wombert> which is kind of nice
12:04 < Wombert> the nesting especially
12:04 < _cheerios> its cool. helps creating forms from scratch be it from models or not with little work.
12:05 < splatch> hm.. IMO Agavi FPF is much more better than form generation
12:06 < digitarald> splatch: I use symfony for some projects (for one clients who wants it). And I avoid those form helpers like hell ...
12:06 < splatch> helpers are simple functions
12:06 < splatch> _l('foo', array('baz' => 'git')) ?
12:06 < digitarald> I know FPF ... I don't understand how people can make forms with those 9999 classes and methods
12:07 < digitarald> ok, so its a complete Form framework
12:07 < Wombert> well, you *can* reuse, you *can* create programmatically, and it *does* tie in with validaiton. plus, you can say "nest this form here"
12:07 < Wombert> the problem is that... simple things need hacks in code
12:07 < Wombert> I've seen some ZF tickets
12:07 < Wombert> where people need a div here
12:07 < Wombert> or a class there
12:07 < Wombert> etc
12:07 < Wombert> it spins out of control rather quickly when it comes to complexity
12:08 < digitarald> if it would be something well designed, really agnostic ... but this sfForm has a really crude API
12:08 < Wombert> it's also nothing that we could possibly ever achieve with our approach
12:08 < Wombert> but every one has up and downsides
12:08 < horros> Oh Wombert 
12:08 < Wombert> yes horros 
12:08 < Wombert> wat hapen
12:09 < horros> I remember we were talking about something (in the car?) which I was supposed to ask Derick about
12:09 < horros> but I forgot what it was!
12:09 < Wombert> right
12:09 < Wombert> I don't remember either
12:09 < Wombert> :>
12:09 < horros> :D
12:09 < Wombert> it wasn't this strtotime() change
12:09 < Wombert> because he likes that already
12:09 < horros> Hmm.
12:09 < horros> Yes.
12:10 < splatch> I've been using Pear_HtmlForm or something like that
12:10 < splatch> about 3 or 4 years ago
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12:10 < splatch> and sfForms looks like this pear package
12:10 < horros> I've never used a single "form generation" thingamawhizz.
12:10 < horros> I find them annoying.
12:10 < splatch> :)
12:11 < splatch> but but but
12:11 < splatch> I've idea for Agavi :)
12:11 < splatch> additional package
12:11 < splatch> for making Ajax validation
12:11 < splatch> anyone done this?
12:11 < splatch> does anyone have don this?
12:11 < Wombert> oh that's pretty simple
12:11 < Wombert> I said how on the dev list the other day
12:11 < Wombert> you'd have a validator that always fails for ajax calls
12:12 < Wombert> so the action is never run
12:12 < Wombert> it's very easy to do
12:13 < Wombert> <validator class="equals" source="headers" required="false">
12:13 < Wombert>   <argument>X-Requested-With</argument>
12:13 < Wombert>   <parameter name="value">zomglol</parameter>
12:13 < Wombert> </validator>
12:13 < Wombert> put that in your validation xml
12:13 < Wombert> done
12:13 < Wombert> X-Requested-With is sent by ajax toolkits
12:13 < digitarald> splatch: great article on the sfForm API: http://redotheweb.com/2008/09/23/document-driven-development-in-practice-rethinking-sfforms/
12:14 < Wombert> but they never send "zomglol"
12:14 < Wombert> so it always fails
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12:15 < Wombert> (and then of course in your error views you need to collect error messages etc, encode them as json, and send them back, but a base view method can do that)
12:17 < Wombert> (plus, you can put that validator definition into your base validators.xml, then you never have to define it anywhere again)
12:18 < splatch> Wombert: does validators are merged from app/ to given modules?
12:18 < splatch> is there something like application scoped validators?
12:18 < Wombert> ...
12:18 < Wombert> <configurations ... parent="...">
12:18 < Wombert> DRY
12:21 < splatch> Wombert: parent is relative from current file?
12:23 < MikeSeth> http://www.artlebedev.ru/kovodstvo/idioteka/2009/03/23/
12:26 < splatch> Wombert: long time ago I was talking with you about dependency injection in Agavi, are you going to do something with this stuff?
12:26 < splatch> Wombert: can Agavi support modules in Phar packages?
12:30 < horros> v-dogg: poek
12:30 < horros> v-dogg: Do you have any idea where and when the slides from the conf will be up?
12:34 < E_mE_> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7955205.stm   <-- state of the UK and there government database ... fun fun fun!!
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12:53 < MrJeep> good morning
12:54 < MrJeep> Wombert: I reinstalled winxp with bootmap yesterday. On mac os, however, the partition is named "Untiteled" do you know how I can rename this partition ?
12:54 < MikeSeth> E_mE_: our ENTIRE citizen database is floating around the internet
12:54 < MrJeep> (without erasing the disk) 
12:55 < E_mE_> MikeSeth: what the israeli one?
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12:57 < benschi> MrJeep: rename it under windows
12:57 < benschi> then it should showup correct
12:57 < MrJeep> Great
12:57 < MrJeep> ty
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13:09 < Wombert> [13:26] splatch: Wombert: long time ago I was talking with you about dependency injection in Agavi, are you going to do something with this stuff?
13:09 < Wombert> yes, that's on the list for 2.0
13:09 < Wombert> [13:26] splatch: Wombert: can Agavi support modules in Phar packages?
13:10 < Wombert> I don't think it can right now, but it should easily be possible; I'll look into that (phar + agavi is on my list of things to research)
13:10 < Wombert> benschi/MrJeep nah
13:10 < Wombert> rename it in disk utility
13:10 < MrJeep> :O
13:10 < Wombert> or right-click
13:10 < MrJeep> cannot without erasing
13:10 < Wombert> get info
13:10 < Wombert> rename
13:11 < benschi> Wombert: I did it within windows and then it worked
13:11 < horros> Oh no!
13:11 < Wombert> benschi: not for me :<
13:11 < horros> Dependency Injection!
13:11 < horros> DI/IoC IZ BAD!
13:11 < horros> For the same reasons AOP is bad!
13:11 < horros> And anything written in Java!
13:11 < horros> And Windows!
13:11 < horros> Oh, and XML!
13:17 < MrJeep> lbcadmin
13:18 < MrJeep> wrong chat
13:22 < Wombert> v-dogg: poke
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13:23 < graste> Wombert:  is it possible to cache an executeXml() { .... return $dom->saveXML(); }
13:23 < graste> https://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1068
13:23 < Wombert> noooooooooooooo
13:23 < graste> what am I doing wrong
13:24 < Wombert> https://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1068#comment:1
13:24 < graste> :o
13:24 < graste> :\
13:25 < graste> I don't get it
13:25 < graste> "...if no caching rules are defined for an output type"
13:25 < graste> how to cache the output?
13:26 < graste> there' s no layer
13:26 < Wombert> then everything is cached
13:26 < Wombert> you need to specify a view name
13:26 < Wombert> horros: http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Swedish_Campground.txt
13:27 < graste> my cache is defined like I wrote in the ticket
13:27 < Wombert> yeah
13:27 < Wombert> that will work
13:27 < graste> k, then my testing wasn't incorrect
13:27 < graste> thx
13:28 < graste> oh and what about action forwards - cacheable too?
13:28 < horros> Wombert: heh :)
13:28 < graste> does it cache, that it has to forward with specific params´ß
13:29 < benschi> Wombert: But this is how it works after you've installed windohs
13:30 < Wombert> it didn't for me
13:30 < Wombert> graste: sure, those are cached
13:30 < Wombert> graste: that all works, no worries :)
13:31 < graste> k
13:31 < graste> have to update the externals, I guess to get the fix ;)
13:31 < graste> thx
13:37 < MikeSeth> E_mE_: yep
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13:53 < v-dogg> Wombert: poek
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13:56 < Wombert> ah
13:57 < Wombert> v-dogg: so, about the export stuff w/ arrays
13:58 < v-dogg> yes
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14:08 < Wombert> v-dogg: so
14:08 < Wombert> explain desired behavior
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14:08 < Wombert> say we have <arguments base="foo[]"><argument />
14:08 < Wombert> how do you export now?
14:08 < Wombert> our idea was
14:08 < Wombert> export "bar[]"
14:08 < Wombert> will export to bar[$key]
14:09 < v-dogg> foo[1] => bar[1]
14:09 < v-dogg> yes
14:09 < Wombert> ok
14:09 < Wombert> and the syntax for that is bar[] ?
14:09 < Wombert> say we have
14:09 < Wombert> say we have <arguments base="foo[]"><argument>bar</ar...
14:10 < Wombert> then export would have to be "bar[][bar]"
14:10 < Wombert> right?
14:10 < Wombert> or even "bar[][baz]" if you want to rename that other key too
14:11 < v-dogg> hmm
14:11 < v-dogg> yes
14:12 < v-dogg> foo[1][bar] => bar[1][bar] (or renamed key bar[1][baz])
14:12 < Wombert> yes
14:12 < Wombert> so [] means "take the respective key from the input"
14:13 < Wombert> right?
14:13 < Wombert> now what happens
14:14 < Wombert> a) if you have fewer brackets than the input
14:14 < Wombert> b) if you have more brackets than the input
14:14 < Wombert> c) if you have static values in places where the input has dynamic brackets
14:14 < Wombert> a) should reduce, IMO, which is trivial (e.g. input foo[] exported to bar means last foo entry ends up in bar)
14:14 < Wombert> b) is difficult
14:14 < Wombert> c) should just behave similar to a) I think
14:15 < Wombert> now for b) again
14:15 < Wombert> what do we do if your input is foo[], and you export to bar[][]
14:16 < Wombert> for foo[x] does it export to foo[x][0] (for the first foo[x]) or to foo[0][x] (for the first foo)
14:16 < Wombert> ?
14:17 < splatch> Wombert: thank you for response :)
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14:45 < Wombert> v-dogg: WE HAVE IDAE
14:45  * Wombert pokes v-dogg 
14:45 < Wombert> pokes v-dogg 
14:45  * Wombert pokes v-dogg 
14:45  * Wombert pokes v-dogg 
14:45  * Wombert pokes v-dogg 
14:45  * Wombert pokes v-dogg 
14:45  * Wombert pokes v-dogg 
14:45 < Wombert> WAKE UP
14:46 < MikeSeth> couldnt you just attach a sapper to his sentry or something
14:46 < Wombert> FINN SAPPIN MAH SENTRY
14:46  * Wombert hugs MikeSeth 
14:47 < graste> probably having a sauna
14:47 < graste> as all finns do
14:47  * ttj declares himself a Count. \o/
14:48 < v-dogg> Wombert: woot woot wotoototo
14:49 < Wombert> so
14:49 < Wombert> we've spent hours
14:49 < Wombert> thinking about this
14:49 < Wombert> and felix had a simple idea
14:49  * graste thinks he's got a highlight on "sauna"
14:50 < v-dogg> graste: no, actually I have highlight on "cunt" but seems I typo'd it and it matches "Count" ;p
14:50 < Wombert> v-dogg: sprintf!
14:50 < Wombert> so simple
14:50 < Wombert> so obvious
14:50 < Wombert> it even allows key swapping :)
14:50 < Wombert> and empty ones are still allowed
14:50 < Wombert> that way, everything *just works*
14:50 < v-dogg> sold!
14:50 < Wombert> good, right?
14:50 < Wombert> solves your prob?
14:51 < Wombert> foo[] you export to bar[%s]
14:51 < Wombert> if you have emails[] you just rewrite to users[%s][email]
14:51 < v-dogg> sounds brilliant
14:51 < Wombert> if you have users[][email] you rewrite to emails[%s]
14:51 < Wombert> etc
14:51 < graste> <:
14:52 < Wombert> and with %1$s etc you can even swap args
14:52 < Wombert> or whatever the syntax is for this sprintf stuff
14:52 < Wombert> what's more
14:52 < Wombert> you can do composite keys even
14:52 < Wombert> users[][email] to user_%s[email]
14:52 < Wombert> (not the other way round ofc but we can't do much about that)
14:53 < Wombert> v-dogg: kaos|work_ should have that implemented in a few mins and then if you could test it really quick that'd be brilliant
15:01 < Wombert> sorry
15:02 < Wombert> ofc the examples are wrong
15:04 < Wombert> first value is always the first part, second the second part etc
15:04 < Wombert> users[][email] has parts "users", "0" and "email"
15:04 < Wombert> so
15:05 < Wombert> you'd have to use user_%2$s[email]
15:05 < Wombert> etc
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15:40 < Wombert> v-dogg: patch comiiiiiiing
15:56 < kaos|work_> http://pastebin.com/m4800f3
15:57 < kaos|work_> Wombert, v-dogg, Xylakant 
15:57 < Wombert> v-dogg: try plz kthx
16:03 < v-dogg> wtf... why doesn't tortoise apply the patch
16:03 < Wombert> did you download raw?
16:03 < Wombert> maybe line endings
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16:05 < Wombert> hm ho that's not it
16:06 < v-dogg> you can't apply it either?
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16:08 < Wombert> its broken
16:08 < Wombert> just a sec
16:08 < kaos|work_> http://www.pastie.org/424367
16:08 < Wombert> pastebin is fale
16:08 < kaos|work_> since pastbin removes @@ at the beginning of a line ...
16:09 < v-dogg> heh
16:09 < v-dogg> why?
16:13 < Wombert> because it's fail
16:13 < Wombert> :>
16:13 < Wombert> it was designed by a committee of swedes who couldn't decide on the line highlight marker
16:13 < Wombert> and no finn was there to decide @@ is a bad idea
16:13 < Wombert> :>>
16:14 < graste> scandinavians...
16:15 < Wombert> I was told the perfect businessman would be someone with the people skills of the swedes and the decision making skills of a finn
16:15 < Wombert> :>
16:15 < Wombert> the story sounded very much like the one about germans and swiss
16:15 < graste> what about the norvegians?
16:15 < Wombert> I'm sure you could do the same with americans and canadians :>
16:15 < graste> :>
16:16 < Wombert> the norwegians do not need to decide anything
16:16 < Wombert> they have enough oil anyway
16:16 < graste> Wombert: "Warning: base64_encode() expects parameter 1 to be string, object given..." when I try to cache something with ..source="request_data">someObjectInRequestFromValidator<..
16:17 < Wombert> lies
16:17 < Wombert> :<
16:17 < graste> doesn't it create hash from object...can't understand why it does this
16:17 < Wombert> graste: old php version? :>
16:17 < graste> dunno
16:17 < Wombert> give it a __toString()
16:17 < Wombert> or use a callback
16:17 < graste> hm
16:17 < graste> wonder why it worked on other actions
16:17 < graste> have to have a closer look, I guess
16:18 < Wombert> ja
16:18 < Wombert> :>
16:19 < graste> english!
16:19 < graste> <:
16:23 < graste> wtf
16:24 < graste> when I change it from source="request_data" to source="request_parameter" it works
16:24 < graste> shouldn't that be the same
16:24 < graste> wait, it uses a forward, hm
16:25 < graste> hmmmm
16:26 < graste> argh
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16:32 < graste> Wombert: if I forward to another action (return $this->createForwardContainer(..., $params)), I have to use "global_request_data" as cache group source, but when I call that action directly I have to use "request_data"? Am I correct? would suck that way as I'd have to specify 6 caching groups instead of 3
16:32 < graste> 3 always empty
16:32 < graste> then
16:33  * Wombert thinks
16:33 < Wombert> hm no
16:33 < Wombert> why?
16:33 < Wombert> request_data should work fine
16:33 < graste> I used request_data everywhere but now I see, that I have problems with caching (error message above) when first action forwards to second
16:35 < graste> hm,  forward creates an execution container
16:35 < graste> why doesn't it work :X
16:35  * graste wants to go home... =)
16:35 < Wombert> will have a look in a moment
16:36 < graste> thx, no stress :)
16:56 < E_mE_>  /me quite ashamed but yet proud to of performed his first Merge :o
16:56 < E_mE_> Wombert: look what i found ;)  .. give me 2 ticks
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16:58 < _cheerios> jee
16:58 < _cheerios> yii+CI in latest php|arch
16:58 < E_mE_> Wombert: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=earls+court&sll=51.494851,-0.249424&sspn=0.082293,0.22316&ie=UTF8&ll=51.492333,-0.193634&spn=0.005144,0.013947&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.492579,-0.193651&panoid=y3k_P3EHsyy022lW2v68yw&cbp=12,1.907554141897247,,0,5
16:58 < E_mE_> ;D
16:59 < Wombert> OMNOM
16:59 < Wombert> :>
16:59 < graste> <:
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17:00 < Wombert> v-dogg: works?
17:00 < Wombert> okay graste 
17:00 < Wombert> so
17:00 < Wombert> you have an action
17:00 < Wombert> where cache groups work fine with request_data
17:00 < Wombert> and one of the values is an object
17:00 < graste> wait, I'll paste it :)
17:01 < Wombert> but
17:01 < graste> but global_request_data works all the time, I think
17:01 < Wombert> well
17:01 < graste> on the second
17:01 < Wombert> but if the action is called as a slot
17:01 < Wombert> or a forward
17:01 < Wombert> it doesn't?
17:01 < graste> not as a slot
17:01 < graste> wait
17:06 < graste> http://pastie.org/private/7bncvwfjwsmnepekeceoca
17:07 < graste> is it because of that validator getting the $segment in case it's not there?
17:07 < graste> hm, no
17:07 < Wombert> it must be something else
17:08 < Wombert> graste: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php#L227
17:08 < Wombert> it always does this encoding thing
17:08 < graste> yes
17:08 < _cheerios> E_mE_, white lies, great band! <3
17:09  * _cheerios -> off to exercise
17:09 < E_mE_> _cheerios: what?
17:09 < graste> thing is: why does global_request_data work?
17:10 < Wombert> graste: figure it out please :)
17:10 < Wombert> I have no idea
17:11 < graste> me neither
17:11 < Wombert> can you show an error message w/ stack trace please
17:13 < graste> http://pastie.org/424433
17:16 < Wombert> lol
17:16 < Wombert> wtf
17:16 < Wombert> ( ! ) Catchable fatal error: Object of class __PHP_Incomplete_Class could not be converted to string in...
17:17 < graste> yeah
17:17 < graste> but why
17:17 < Wombert> LOL
17:17 < Wombert> :>
17:18 < Wombert> dz-imac:~ dzuelke$ php -r '$x = new __PHP_Incomplete_Class(); var_dump(is_object($x));'
17:18 < Wombert> bool(false)
17:18 < Wombert> d
17:18 < Wombert> nice one
17:18 < graste> :D
17:18 < Wombert> so
17:18 < Wombert> my guess
17:18 < Wombert> you store something
17:18 < Wombert> in a session somewhere
17:18 < Wombert> or somesuch
17:19 < Wombert> and it can't be serialized properly
17:19 < graste> damn, now I'd have to crawl through code I didn't write or just use global_request_data :P
17:19 < Wombert> it looks like one of them objects
17:19 < graste> the $segment is the difference
17:19 < Wombert> maybe add all models to __autoload() as a first attempt
17:19 < Wombert> err autoload.xml
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17:25 < graste> Wombert: added the three related model classes to autoload and it seems to work
17:25 < graste> strange thing, that "request_data" now works whileas before I had to use "global_request_data"
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17:26 < Wombert> :>
17:27 < Wombert> gotta run, graste, sorry
17:27 < Wombert> as I said
17:27 < Wombert> likely data from the session
17:27 < Wombert> or
17:27 < Wombert> restored from a cache
17:28 < graste> restored from cache
17:28 < graste> nothing else
17:28 < graste> probably
17:28 < graste> cu
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18:07 < asonge> so, i may have a new interface to contribute back to agavi: syncml
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20:52 < Wombert> v-dogg: doesitwork?
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22:09 < _cheerios> F1 on sunday? o_O
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22:18 < _cheerios> lol @ quote: "coupon" surpassed "britney spears" as search query
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04:57 < v-dogg> huomenta
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08:03 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:29 < graste> huomenta
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09:38 < E_mE_> Huomenta!
09:39 < E_mE_> _cheerios:   what did you mean by this `_cheerios: E_mE_, white lies, great band! <3` ?
09:39 < _cheerios> its a band from london, and you were based in UK, iirc
09:40 < _cheerios> thought you might know them!
09:40 < E_mE_> no sorry :)
09:40 < E_mE_> i'll look them up
09:40 < E_mE_> You know Abba =P
09:40 < E_mE_> Ah your Finnish aint you?
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09:41 < _cheerios> ye
09:41 < E_mE_> Burzum ;D
09:41 < E_mE_> or Mayhem hoho
09:42 < E_mE_> there great bands :D
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09:53 < horros> What's Burzum and Mayhem got to do with Finland?
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10:00 < E_mE_> horros: there bands horros 
10:00 < E_mE_> ho feck
10:00 < E_mE_> horros: sorry norway :'(
10:00 < E_mE_> i trusted my brain and fail!!
10:00 < E_mE_> sorry
10:01 < horros> Epic fail :(
10:01 < E_mE_> But there good bands either way :D
10:01 < horros> True.
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10:25 < CIA-57> felix * r3957 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/build-pdf.sh: pdf build file, refs #1063
10:25 < CIA-57> felix * r3958 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/build/agavitutorial_pdf.xml: pdf build file, refs #1063
10:30 < horros> I've not even written a single line of code yet, and I already hate the facebook API.
10:32 < graste> ^^
10:42 < horros> stupid annoying piece of crap
10:43 < v-dogg> haha
10:44 < horros> ZIS IS NOT FUNNI!
10:45 < v-dogg> what are you doing with fb api anyways?
10:45 < horros> facebooky things!
10:46 < v-dogg> ok, that makes sense
10:46  * horros The Gonads - Oi mate
10:47 < horros> ~/ your wife is fat and you're a twat! ~/
10:47 < horros> lalala
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11:20 < _cheerios> puuh
11:21 < ttj> Yay for Kela and credit card companies... I'm broke. \o/
11:22 < graste> obviously your provider doesn't know ;)
11:22 < ttj> Provider?
11:22 < graste> damn german
11:23 < v-dogg> ttj: he means your girl friend :p
11:23 < ttj> Oh, she's broke as well. :D
11:23 < ttj> I'm contemplating on joining _cheerios today for free beer.
11:23 < graste> your internet access company or whatever that's called in english
11:24 < v-dogg> ISP
11:24 < graste> provider!
11:24 < graste> ISP
11:24 < graste> :>
11:24 < graste> v-dogg strikes once again
11:24 < v-dogg> _internet_ _service_ PROVIDER
11:24 < ttj> Now I'm just confused... What's this about now?
11:24 < v-dogg> I'm too
11:24 < v-dogg> and so is graste 
11:24 < v-dogg> so all good and normal
11:24 < graste> you're broke, but you're still online :<
11:24 < graste> finns don't get it, I guess :<
11:25 < ttj> Broke as in if I had any less money, I would owe someone.
11:25 < graste> so probably that's the proof, that ze germans are not funny at all
11:25 < graste> :\
11:26 < ttj> Well, if you were funny then what would we need the Brits for anymore?
11:26 < _cheerios> ttj, im goin' to see Jone Nikula on yrittäjyystiistai today. to see how much äijä-factor he really has live.
11:26 < ttj> _cheerios: Yeah, noticed. I guess there's free beer there.
11:27 < graste> :)
11:27 < _cheerios> last time free drinks + sandwiches after the lecture, yes
11:29 < _cheerios> usually some entrepreneuring minds there. in for the latest gossip :)
11:29 < _cheerios> met the guy behind http://www.selkifabrik.fi/fi/ last time. interesting challenge he's taken upon.
11:30 < ttj> I've been to some of the AES events.
11:31 < ttj> Seems that all of a sudden there's tons of free drinks and snacks available everywhere. Even the courses at school are starting to subsidize my boozing.
11:34 < _cheerios> a sign of the times. economy goes to the shitter, mo booze on the table.
11:36 < ttj> Works for me.
11:36 < _cheerios> AES? an encryption standard comes to mind.
11:36 < ttj> Well, given the context of the discussion, I was referring to Aalto Entrepreneurship Society. :)
11:36 < _cheerios> right. them. :)
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12:02 < v-dogg> kafFE!
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12:20 < digitarald> Huomenta!
12:23 < Wombert> v-dogg: did you test ze patch?
12:25  * Wombert stabs
12:30 < v-dogg> yeah, sorry I didn't reply last night.
12:30 < v-dogg> I did apply the patch and been using it without problems
12:30 < v-dogg> I haven't tried any fancy exporting yet, though.
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12:36 < Wombert> v-dogg: so did you do <parameter name="export">bar[%2$s]</parameter> or so?
12:36 < Wombert> can you check if that works (your original use case, wasn't that something like this?)
12:40 < v-dogg> I can't remember what the original problem was anymore :)
12:40 < v-dogg> sec. phone.
12:42 < Rayne> how can i use propel with agavi? the example does only include a php file inside the config dir
12:44 < v-dogg> Rayne: after that you just use it ($object = new MyFoo(); $object->setName('Chuck'); $object->save();
12:44 < v-dogg> Wombert: my problem might have been <arguments base="foo[]"><argument/> ... <ae:parameter name="export">bar[]</ae:parameter>
12:45 < v-dogg> that works now
12:45 < v-dogg> lemme revert the patch and check it without it
12:47 < v-dogg> => Fatal error: Cannot create references to/from string offsets nor overloaded objects in ...
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12:54 < v-dogg> Wombert: this might be a problem: 
12:54 < v-dogg> HTML: <input name="foo[][bar]" value="asd" /><input name="foo[][bar]" value="qwe" />
12:55 < v-dogg> Validator: <arguments base="foo[]"><argument>bar</argument> ... <ae:parameter name="export">bar[][bar]</ae:parameter>
12:55 < v-dogg> ["bar"]=>  array(1) { [""]=>  array(1) { ["bar"]=>  string(3) "zxc" }
12:57 < v-dogg> <ae:parameter name="export">bar[]</ae:parameter> works with that too (exports every [bar] value into one array) 
12:58 < Rayne> v-dogg, i have no idea how this could help me :( what should i place inside "project-conf.php"? where should the xml config go?)
13:00 < v-dogg> propel converts runtime-conf.xml into myproject-conf.php
13:00 < v-dogg> Rayne: http://blog.veikko.fi/post/82466126/installing-a-project-local-propel
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13:03 < kaos|work_> v-dogg: this wouldn't work
13:03 < Wombert> v-dogg: <ae:parameter name="export">bar[%1$s]</ae:parameter>
13:03 < Wombert> no wait
13:03 < kaos|work_> i think we can document that
13:03 < Wombert> v-dogg: <ae:parameter name="export">bar[%2$s]</ae:parameter>
13:03 < Wombert> that
13:03 < kaos|work_> yup
13:03 < graste> kaos|work_	i think we can document that
13:03 < graste> should
13:03 < kaos|work_> yah
13:03 < kaos|work_> i meant, it's ok to leave it "broken" if we document it
13:04 < v-dogg> yup
13:04 < Wombert> as you want the second part from the input (first is "foo", second is the key. third is *not* "bar", because only the argument *base* is available, but that's no problem, as the argument itself that you gave ("bar") is known and static)
13:05 < v-dogg> yup
13:05 < v-dogg> <ae:parameter name="export">bar[%2$s][bar]</ae:parameter>
13:05 < v-dogg> works
13:05 < Wombert> great
13:05 < CIA-57> felix * r3959 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/stage4/app/ (5 files in 3 dirs): adds missing routing callbacks to the staging app, refs #1063
13:05 < Wombert> v-dogg: the last bracket can be empty
13:05 < Wombert> []
13:05 < Wombert> that will do appending
13:05 < Wombert> but only the very last one
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13:06 < Wombert> there's not really a use case for any others I think
13:06 < v-dogg> hehe "no use case! edge case! not going to be implemented/fixed evah!" (phpism :)
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13:08 < Wombert> well, if you can think of one, let us know
13:08 < Wombert> also, burana caps ftw
13:08 < CIA-57> felix * r3960 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/stage5/app/ (6 files in 3 dirs): adds missing routing callbacks to the staging app, refs #1063
13:09 < v-dogg> Wombert: oh yes, the moneys
13:09 < Wombert> v-dogg: eh?
13:10 < CIA-57> felix * r3961 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/stage6/ (36 files in 11 dirs): adds partial feed support, refs #1063
13:10 < v-dogg> your moneys
13:10 < horros> ur monies
13:10 < horros> Hmm.
13:11 < horros> This isn't working very well.
13:14 < CIA-57> felix * r3962 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/stage6/app/ (7 files in 4 dirs): adds missing routing callbacks to the staging app, refs #1063
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13:33 < MrJeep> good morning fellows à
13:34 < Xylakant> good morning :)
13:42 < splatch> hello :)
13:46 < CIA-57> felix * r3963 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/topics/tutorial/step4/using-callback-for-title-in-url.dita: added information about adding the callback to the autoload and routing configs, refs #1063
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13:59 < horros> fecking facebook
14:02 < horros> Let me reiterate: stupid smegging idiotic blood piece of crap facebook.
14:05 < graste> successful nonetheless =)
14:07 < digitarald> very
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14:38 < CIA-57> felix * r3965 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/ (21 files in 8 dirs): makes the pdf version of the guide far less layout-impaired, refs #1063
14:53 < CIA-57> felix * r3966 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/topics/ (47 files in 10 dirs): makes the pdf version of the guide far less layout-impaired by replacing tabs with 2 spaces for indenting, refs #1063
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15:18 < fnordfish> is there any change to get http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1055 megred into 1.0.0 ?
15:20 < fnordfish> or is 1.0.1 coming soon?
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15:32 < Wombert> wat hapen
15:32 < bleachy> `:q
15:33 < bleachy> oops - wrong window :-s
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15:35 < asonge> how do you set the module/action for a console instance?
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15:40 < Wombert> asonge: er
15:40 < Wombert> asonge: did you check out ze sample app?
15:40 < Wombert> it has a console iface
15:40 < Wombert> you might wanna go the same route (i.e. with a dedicated context), as it has special request/response/bleh impls
15:40 < asonge> yeah, i'm looking around
15:41 < asonge> well, there's only 1 action i'm using for this
15:42 < Wombert> you still should do it this way
15:42 < Wombert> you only do it once, and it's not much effort :)
15:42 < asonge> right
15:42 < asonge> i'm seeing how the internal flow is right now between ConsoleRequest and ConsoleRouting etc, etc
15:43 < impl> you can do 'page' controllers too
15:43 < impl> $controller = AgaviContext::getInstance('console')->getController();
15:43 < impl> $controller->dispatch(null, $controller->createExecutionContainer('Administration', 'Package.Notify'));
15:43 < impl> like so
15:46 < asonge> i could write a pipe mail context, but that'd require parsing email headers
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16:30 < Rayne> v-dogg, thanks for the link to your weblog. my problem is the following message: "Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach()  agavi-1.0.0/src/database/AgaviPropelDatabase.class.php on line 205"
16:31 < v-dogg> pastebin your -conf.php, please
16:32 < v-dogg> looks like your don't have connection settings defined
16:33 < v-dogg> afaik propel doesn't check what you have in your runtime-conf.xml, it just converts it to a php array
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16:43 < Rayne> v-dogg, from datbases.xml: http://pastie.org/425545
16:43 < Rayne> what should i place inside project-conf.php?
16:43 < Rayne> (short afk for lunch)
16:57 < Wombert> Rayne: your propel runtime-conf.xml does not have a default database I think
16:57 < Wombert> something like that
16:57 < Wombert> yes
16:57 < Wombert> that's it
17:07 < v-dogg> Rayne: like I said, propel builds myproject-conf.php _from_ runtime-conf.xml
17:07 < v-dogg> so, normally, you yourself don't put anything there, it's generated
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17:45 < _cheerios> jee
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17:49 < Rayne> v-dogg, but why is this line written inside the shipped agavi config.xml file? my current version with error messages: http://pastie.org/425607
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17:49 < v-dogg> Rayne: it's there as an example
17:50 < v-dogg> copy myproject-conf.php (generated by propel) into app/config/ and change the file name in databases.xml
17:51 < Rayne> d'oh
17:51 < Wombert> eh?
17:51 < Rayne> this is not may day ...
17:52 < Wombert> you *need* the project-conf.php
17:52 < Wombert> it has the base db conn info
17:52 < Wombert> plus the autoloads
17:52 < Wombert> you can, then, override specific settings
17:52 < Wombert> like user or pw or dsn
17:52 < Wombert> using "overrides"
17:52 < Wombert> not using those you have there - that won't work
17:53 < Wombert> can you show him, v-dogg 
17:54 < Rayne> i know what you guys mean... my fault
17:56 < Wombert> works now? :)
17:56 < Rayne> no :P
17:56 < Wombert> Rayne: the idea is that you have one runtime-conf.php with dummy conn data
17:56 < Wombert> and override that using databases.xml for each env
17:56 < Wombert> so you don't have to modify runtime-conf.php ever
17:59 < v-dogg> Rayne: how doesn't it work now?
18:00 < Wombert> 12:44 < v-dogg> Wombert: my problem might have been <arguments base="foo[]"><argument/> ... <ae:parameter name="export">bar[]</ae:parameter>
18:01 < Wombert> the correct "export" value would be "bar[%2$s]", mind you
18:01 < Wombert> otherwise, the indexes might get lost
18:01 < Wombert> (if that doesn't bother you, fine)
18:01 < v-dogg> ah, yes. 
18:02 < v-dogg> in my test case it didn't but good to know
18:02 < Rayne> in my include path is my local phing installation... i have no idea why. does agavi include this by default? does agavi need phing when running as "website"?
18:02 < v-dogg> no
18:02 < Rayne> weird
18:02 < Rayne> phew
18:02 < v-dogg> agavi (nor propel) doesn't need phing exept when building
18:03 < v-dogg> Rayne: so how doesn't it work now? phing is not needed so that cannot be it
18:04 < Rayne> v-dogg, but it is in my include path and i have no idea why. the agavi propel autoloader requries (propel/Propel.php) (hardcoded!) but it is not accessable because only "." and "local-phing" are in the include path
18:04 < Rayne> i create a new agavi project
18:04 < Rayne> maybe i mixed something up in the current one
18:05 < v-dogg> propel != phing
18:05 < Rayne> i know :/
18:05 < v-dogg> and, of course, you need to have propel in your include_path
18:05 < v-dogg> this is all in my blog article
18:06 < Rayne> i think so, but this phing thing overwrites it complete
18:06 < v-dogg> wat? overwrites? what? where?
18:06 < Rayne> (the include paths)
18:06 < v-dogg> phing should not affect this in any way
18:06 < Rayne> no more word until i set up a new agavi project, shh! ;-)
18:06 < Rayne> i know
18:07 < v-dogg> it has nothing to do with your agavi project either!!!
18:07 < v-dogg> just set propel into your include_path
18:07 < v-dogg> set
18:07 < v-dogg> now
18:07 < v-dogg> include_path
18:07 < v-dogg> path/to/propel
18:08 < Rayne> v-dogg, calm down i just create a new agavi project because the current is mixed up (or whatever)
18:08 < Rayne> there's something wrong
18:08 < Rayne> stop
18:08 < Rayne> ;-)
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18:12 < reza> hi every one
18:12 < reza> i do the tuturial in website but i have a problem
18:12 < reza> in the Public_ShowPostSuccessView
18:13 < reza> $rd->getParameter('post_id')
18:13 < reza> didnot work
18:13 < reza> public function executeHtml(AgaviRequestDataHolder $rd)
18:13 < reza> this is for my view
18:13 < Wombert> do you have execute*() in the action
18:13 < reza> yes
18:13 < Wombert> the tutorial assumes non-strict validaiton mode, I guess
18:14 < reza> class Public_ShowPostAction 
18:14 < Wombert> we're working on a new one
18:14 < reza> executeRead(AgaviRequestDataHolder $rd)
18:14 < Wombert> ask xylakant to send it to you (pdf) when he's back
18:14 < v-dogg> but no validator?
18:14 < Wombert> it'll also be published
18:14 < Wombert> this week
18:14 < v-dogg> \o/
18:15 < reza> is it posible from routing.xml
18:15 < reza> ?
18:15 < reza> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
18:15 < reza> <ae:configurations xmlns:ae="http://agavi.org/agavi/config/global/envelope/1.0" xmlns="http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/routing/1.0">
18:15 < reza> 	<ae:configuration>
18:15 < reza> 		<routes>
18:15 < reza> 		
18:15 < reza> 			<route pattern="^/$" module="Public" action="Index"/>
18:15 < reza> <route pattern="^/blog/(post_id:\d+)$" module="Public" action="ShowPost" name="ShowPost"/>
18:15 < reza> 			
18:15 < reza> 		</routes>
18:15 < v-dogg> pastebin!!
18:15 < reza> 	</ae:configuration>
18:15 < reza> </ae:configurations>
18:15 < v-dogg> reza: no multiline pastes here
18:16 < reza> ok , i am new
18:16 < v-dogg> always pastebin (pastebin.ca /.com or some other)
18:16 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
18:16 < v-dogg> but yes, you need to validate route parameters too
18:16 < Rayne> v-dogg, the included phing path was my fault cause i hacked the agavi.php for using it without pear
18:16 < v-dogg> like Wombert said, the tutorial assumes non-strict validation mode (nowadays the default)
18:17 < reza> ok thank you so much
18:17 < reza> i stay for the pdf
18:17 < reza> i wil ask xylakant
18:17 < reza> for it
18:18 < reza> is the manual publish this weak?
18:18 < v-dogg> 20:14 < Wombert> it'll also be published
18:18 < v-dogg> 20:14 < Wombert> this week
18:18 < reza> tnx
18:18 < Wombert> v-dogg: have you proofread it yet?
18:18 < reza> i will wait
18:18 < v-dogg> Wombert: no
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18:19 < v-dogg> and, as much as I'd like to help, I can't do it this week :(
18:20  * Wombert hugs
18:20 < Wombert> that fine mate
18:21 < kaos|work_> http://trac.agavi.org/attachment/ticket/1063/tutorial%202009-03-24.pdf
18:21 < kaos|work_> but reza is gone already
18:21 < kaos|work_> :(
18:21 < Wombert> god fucking damnot
18:21 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/attachment/ticket/1063/tutorial%202009-03-24.pdf
18:21  * Wombert stabs reza
18:21 < Wombert> PATIENCE
18:21 < Wombert> some people
18:21 < Wombert> ...
18:22 < v-dogg> oh, cool
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18:22 < v-dogg> gotta invite Niklas
18:23 < v-dogg> now where is that lazy bugger 
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18:27 < v-dogg> btw, did I advertise this already: http://repositoryhosting.com/
18:27 < Wombert> no
18:28 < kaos|work_> you didn't find any catch ? :)
18:29 < v-dogg> no :)
18:29 < v-dogg> only that they have just started
18:30 < v-dogg> oh and they still don't have post-commit hooks set up (trac ticket manipulation + custom http triggers)
18:31 < v-dogg> but they promised that within the next weeks
18:32 < v-dogg> I set up backups to Amazon S3 yesterday
18:32 < Wombert> <:
18:32 < Wombert> ohai
18:32 < v-dogg> I'm cool and hip and everything now :)
18:32 < Wombert> I'm in ur bukkits
18:32 < Wombert> backing up datas
18:35 < v-dogg> heh
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18:45 < Seldaek> huh Wombert.. I read fabpot as fapbot.
18:45 < Wombert> lawl
18:46 < Seldaek> the beer is tricksing me 
18:46 < Seldaek> evilsy beer
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19:09 < Wombert> hoem tiem
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19:59 < impl> Wombert: 
19:59 < impl> http://i40.tinypic.com/5wjbr8.jpg
20:00 < Wombert> :>>>
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20:00 < graste> wtf
20:00 < Whisller> evening
20:00 < impl> This makes my day much nicer
20:02 < Wombert> dude
20:02 < Wombert> why is your twitter color scheme so gay
20:02 < Wombert> is there something you'd like to tell me
20:02 < impl> Because I fucking hate twitter
20:02 < Wombert> oh
20:02 < impl> and looking at my profile means you have to look at LOL WTF CONTRAST HALP
20:06 < graste> where'd you get those elephpants from :P
20:06 < Wombert> in soviet russia, elephpant buys YOU
20:06 < impl> http://www.nexen.net/elephpant.php :P
20:06 < graste> :)
20:06 < impl> I gotta figure out something awesome to do with them before I mail them all out
20:08 < graste> like how many are thoses? 50?
20:08 < graste> -s
20:08 < impl> Yeah, 50
20:08 < graste> :D
20:09 < saracen_> impl: Sorry for my pretend disappearence, I couldn't concentrate enough to read it.
20:09 < impl> saracen_: That's fine, no worries
20:09 < impl> It sucks anyway
20:10 < saracen_> But anyway, take a picture of all of them in sexual positions layed out across the floor. Like some sort of eleorgy.
20:10 < saracen_> thats ele-orgy, btw.
20:10 < graste> and the classic circle
20:10 < impl> lool
20:10 < impl> I want my roommate to see them like this first
20:10 < graste> build A G A V I with them
20:10 < impl> graste: HAH. Yes, will do.
20:11 < saracen_> But seriously, sexual positions. Then posted it to your website, next to this one: http://www.nexen.net/images/rsgallery/display/DSCN5580.JPG.jpg
20:11 < impl> rofl
20:11 < impl> nothx
20:11 < saracen_> Going, do it for the lulz, solider,
20:11 < saracen_> Go on* even ;x
20:12 < saracen_> You'll be pleased to know my download daemon is coming along nicely :P
20:12 < impl> Meaning you haven't started?
20:13 < saracen_> No, it's working. But, sort of deviated from doing it a strict MVC way, because, well, that'd be pointless.
20:13 < impl> I was going to tell you that, but I thought it'd be better to let you figure it out for yourself
20:14 < saracen_> Using cURL. They have a multi interface, so that you can have multiple downloads in the same thread. So what I've got at the moment is multi interfaces in multiple threads. Dispatcher just selects what thread has the fewest download jobs on to do the work
20:15 < impl> sounds quite reasonable to me
20:15 < impl> are you using Qt?
20:15 < saracen_> No.
20:15 < impl> Why not?
20:15 < saracen_> What would I use it for, threading?
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20:16 < saracen_> I'm using boost.
20:16 < graste> you mean booze
20:16 < graste> :P
20:16 < impl> saracen_: yeah
20:16 < impl> they have built-in socket stuff too
20:17 < impl> ah see, boost just added the Thread library
20:17 < impl> it didn't used to have it
20:17 < saracen_> It's had it for awhile
20:17 < impl> hm, okay
20:17 < impl> does boost work on Windows?
20:17 < saracen_> Of course
20:19 < saracen_> Coming from too high a level languages and languages with no threading support (read: PHP) left me confused about when to use mutexs and context switching, but I'm slowly getting on
20:19 < saracen_> I think the thing that I spent ages "WTFing" about was the context switching today ;x
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20:23 < graste> threads are a beast
20:26 < v-dogg> impl: can haz elephpants shipped to finland?
20:26 < impl> v-dogg: you can, if you order one on the site :P
20:26 < v-dogg> for our secret and ever so dirty ele-orgies
20:26 < impl> there's going to be a second order
20:27 < impl> and the quicker people fill it up, the quicker it gets dispatched :P
20:29 < v-dogg> what was the price again (im ircing with my nokia e90 and can't be arsed to open david's mail with the page url)
20:29 < impl> they're $9 each, and shipping is $7 + $2 for each additional elephpant
20:30 < impl> so one elephpant would be $15
20:30 < impl> er
20:30 < impl> $16
20:30 < impl> impl can math
20:30 < v-dogg> heh
20:31 < graste> hm
20:31 < v-dogg> i could take two and do some asking around for other takers
20:31 < graste> I'd take one .)
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20:32 < impl> http://elephpants.feedtheculture.org/ :>
20:32 < v-dogg> but yes yes, i'll put my order via the page
20:32 < impl> I was linking for graste :P
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20:33 < graste> thx
20:33 < impl> v-dogg: it's nothing personal, but if you don't do it through the site then I'll a) forget where I put your shipping information and b) forget to make you pay
20:34 < v-dogg> of course, i totally understand
20:36 < v-dogg> are those shipping cost good for finland too?-)
20:37 < impl> ja, it's $5 + $2/additional for domestic and $7 + $2/additional for international
20:37 < impl> (where domestic = US)
20:37 < asonge> impl: mine first.
20:37 < impl> asonge: IT WILL BE SHIPPED WHEN I FIGURE OUT HOW TO SHIP THINGS
20:37 < asonge> lol
20:37 < graste> hrhr
20:37 < asonge> impl: you about to order your second box? hehehe.
20:38 < asonge> 21 extra elephpants now
20:39 < impl> :D
20:39 < impl> almost halfway there
20:41 < asonge> imagine if you were making a profit on these!
20:41 < asonge> hehehe.
20:42 < impl> I couldn't bring myself to do that, at least not to you guys ;p
20:42 < impl> maybe if I were going to sell them to the PHP community at large
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20:52 < graste> re :\
20:54 < graste> impl: how'd you get your money? :)
20:55 < graste> -d+ll
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20:59 < impl> graste: I switch it into payment mode when there are actually 50 orders
21:00 < graste> yeah, but what do you accept? :)
21:00 < graste> ah, doesn't matter
21:00 < impl> ah
21:00 < graste> I'll get it to you
21:00 < graste> :P
21:00 < impl> Credit cards or PayPal
21:00 < graste> kk
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21:00 < impl> or you can mail me a check I guess..
21:00 < graste> nah, too oldschool
21:01 < impl> :P
21:01 < graste> could mail you money
21:01 < graste> hard euros for you
21:01 < graste> ;D
21:01 < impl> haha
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21:05 < kaos|work_> loooool impl
21:05 < kaos|work_> i see you made some friends xD
21:06 < impl> kaos|work_: Uh huh!
21:07  * impl grins
21:08 < saracen_> impl: Have you had all payments for the first 50?
21:08 < impl> saracen_: Yep
21:08 < saracen_> All via paypal?
21:09 < impl> Well, paypal or CC
21:09 < saracen_> CC through paypal?
21:09 < impl> Yeah
21:09 < saracen_> Aren't you having to pay the very annoying fees for recieving money via paypal?
21:10 < saracen_> Or do you get away with a personal account, because you make no money?
21:10 < kaos|work_> impl: boost had the thread library for ages
21:11 < impl> kaos|work_: oh, okey
21:11 < kaos|work_> they just recently updated to conform to the c++0x spec
21:11 < impl> saracen_: nah, I just deal with the transaction fees. it's not bad.
21:11 < kaos|work_> iirc
21:11 < impl> like $3 per $100
21:11 < kaos|work_> and boost rocks ... except the documentation of some packages :)
21:12 < kaos|work_> but a lack of docs makes me kinda feel at home *ggg*
21:12  * graste heard of frameworks out there with similar problems
21:12 < saracen_> kaos|work_: For *some* packages?
21:13 < graste> but btw, nice start with the tutorial PDF
21:13 < saracen_> I haven't come across a package that had decent docs yet :)
21:13 < kaos|work_> oh, the boost:thread ones were quite ok
21:13 < saracen_> I still think they lack =(
21:13 < saracen_> Wonder if asios has got any better, will need to go through them soon
21:14 < kaos|work_> documentation always lacks behind code
21:14 < kaos|work_> oh
21:14 < kaos|work_> asios docs suck
21:14 < kaos|work_> very much
21:14 < kaos|work_> you can only work thru the examples
21:14 < kaos|work_> that kind of helps
21:15 < kaos|work_> i think spirit hat some nice docs
21:15 < kaos|work_> never used it tho ;)
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22:47 < graste> http://twitter.com/wikileaks
22:47 < graste> ...
22:53 < _cheerios> cool bird
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00:04 < saracen_> I've had to use a mutex so much... I wonder if this is normal ;x
00:06 < impl> saracen_: Well, you get that a lot because threads are share-everything
00:06 < saracen_> It's just this one particular class, which tbh does share everything. So I've pretty much put a mutex on the setter and getters
00:07 < saracen_> Still something bugged. Still runs at 100% cpu on linux. Doesn't one windows. =(
00:07 < impl> you using nonblocking IO?
00:08 < impl> if you are, make sure you throw a usleep() in there during your accept()/read() loop
00:08 < impl> brb, -> food
00:09 < saracen_> Yeah, nonblocking, and I'm using boosts sleep. Otherwise it would also show up in windows as 100%. Problem that I solved before when I was doing it is I guess what people that know what they're doing, call a deadlock
00:16 < saracen_> Oh. Boosts timing is nanoseconds. 1000 of them won't cut it :)
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00:37 < impl> saracen_: 1000 should
00:37 < impl> 10 should really
00:37 < impl> it's just the give the CPU a chance to do some other work
00:43 < saracen_> Too low and it goes 100%
00:43 < saracen_> Meh, i'll take more of a look tomorrow
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06:39 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:20 < horros> Huomenta.
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07:33 < horros> saracen_: *nudge*
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08:00 < reza> hi every body
08:01 < reza> i have a problem yesterday , wombert told me about a pdf 
08:01 < reza> that updated to a new vesion
08:01 < reza> may ask for it , if any one has ir ?
08:01 < v-dogg>  http://trac.agavi.org/attachment/ticket/1063/tutorial%202009-03-24.pdf
08:02 < horros> Hmm.
08:03 < reza> thank you v-dogg
08:03 < horros> I wonder where I should "init" my app settings.
08:04 < reza> let's do job we agavi :) 
08:04 < reza> with
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08:08 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:09  * horros humms
08:09 < horros> halp
08:09 < horros> Where should I "hit" my custom appsettings.xml!
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08:22 < mib_cokl4v> huomenta
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08:25 < mib_cokl4v> i have a question about models..
08:25 < mib_cokl4v> http://pastebin.com/d6dba50de
08:25 < graste> huomenta
08:25 < mib_cokl4v> there u can see my ArticleFactoryModel und my ArticleModel. So my ArticleModel works fine..
08:26 < mib_cokl4v> if i give an id of an ID i got an Object from My ArticleModel
08:27 < mib_cokl4v> the same if i use getArticle from my ArticleFaytoryModel.. but i think its the wrong way to get for each article the model
08:27 < v-dogg> another issue: $this->_context = $context; <<-- AgaviModel doesn't have $_context but $context
08:27 < v-dogg> and a better practise is to call parent::initialize
08:28  * horros humms
08:28 < mib_cokl4v> $this->_context because in my public function getArticles i canT use $context...
08:29 < v-dogg> what?
08:29 < graste> why?
08:29 < mib_cokl4v> dont know.. 
08:30 < mib_cokl4v> but i think from line 20 to 26 i can make it better.. or?
08:30 < mib_cokl4v> or is this a way to get the model from may ArticleModel
08:30 < mib_cokl4v> it works but looks wrong.,.
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08:33 < horros> ArticleModel::setArticle($id) does look like a bit of a misnomer.
08:33 < horros> as you're not really "setting the article id"
08:33 < horros> well, you are, but you're doing a lot of other stuff too.
08:34 < _cheerios> AR's look so much nicer...
08:34 < mib_cokl4v> hmm what i have to correct?
08:34 < mib_cokl4v> i want to learn :)
08:34 < mib_cokl4v> how i write better code :)
08:35 < mib_cokl4v> setArticle -> getArticleById()?
08:36 < mib_cokl4v> i mean setArticleById
08:37 < _cheerios> mib_cokl4v, my tip would be to use http://www.doctrine-project.org/ for your database interaction (unless you're writing performance critical code). would take away 90% of that code, unless you really want to program all that.
08:41 < mib_cokl4v> looks nice..
08:44 < v-dogg> impl: ping
08:44 < mib_cokl4v> but further destination is to use propel..
08:45 < mib_cokl4v> but >my<
08:50 < benschi> huomenta
08:51 < horros> What he hell is happening here :O
08:52 < horros> $this->generate($code) fails miserably!
08:52 < horros> o_O
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08:54 < horros> Everything looks fine even after $code = 'AgaviConfig::fromArray(' . var_export($data, true) . ');';
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08:55 < horros> and then $this->generate('code'); seems to chop off half of the stuff o_O
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08:58 < horros> what
08:58 < horros> the 
08:58 < horros> hell
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09:00 < _cheerios> try $this->generate($magic); $this->wavehands();
09:01 < horros> http://pastie.org/426333
09:01 < horros> What the bloody buggering hell is going on here?
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09:02 < horros> actually
09:02 < horros> hmm
09:02 < horros> false alarm!
09:03 < horros> <- idiot
09:03 < _cheerios> return $code; ? :p
09:04 < _cheerios> i went home yesterday after listening to jone nikula. and i fell asleep. im not sure if it was nikulas fault.
09:04 < horros> Hmm
09:05 < horros> Shouldn't you have gone home, put on some Kotiteollisuus and trashed the place and been all Äijä?
09:06 < _cheerios> that might've happened in an alternate reality. in mine, i woke up at 11:30pm
09:08 < horros> Nikulafail :(
09:08 < horros> I saw Nikula once in Salainen Agentti!
09:12 < v-dogg> oh thanks for the reminder
09:12 < v-dogg> I needed to call MP-myymälä :)
09:15 < E_mE> humenta
09:16 < E_mE> huomenta
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10:16 < saracen_> 07:33:31 < horros> saracen_: *nudge*
10:16 < saracen_> sup?
10:20 < horros> saracen_: Did you do some facebook connect stuff with Agavi?
10:20 < horros> Or has Wombert lied!
10:20 < horros> Oh god starving
10:20 < horros> grocery store, be back in 10-ish
10:22 < saracen_> No, I didn't
10:22 < saracen_> That was asonge I believe
10:23 < saracen_> People often confuse us, because his name is "asonge" and mine is "saracen"... </sarcasm> silly wombert.
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10:31 < horros> saracen_: I see.
10:31 < horros> I shall have to yell at alex then.
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10:57 < hZilla> hi if i call an action with a jquery form ajax post, and i want to return Json where do i set the output type? return 'Json' in the action?
10:58 < saracen_> No, that would return the view name. You can setup output types in output_types.xml
10:58 < saracen_> Then in your routing, add the attribute: output_type="ajax"
10:58 < saracen_> to your route
10:59 < hZilla> right but say u want to return html for the executeRead and Json for the executeWrite in the same route?
10:59 < horros> You don't return html or json from the action.
11:00 < horros> You return it (or render a template) in the view.
11:00 < hZilla> yeh i know but i want to tell the view to render a different output based on http type
11:00 < saracen_> A view can have setupHtml and setupAjax methods
11:00 < horros> Mmhm?
11:00 < horros> That's what the output_type does.
11:00 < horros> If output_type = html, the view uses executeHtml()
11:00 < horros> if it's "xml", it uses executeXml()
11:01 < horros> if it's json, it uses executeJson()
11:01 < saracen_> Oh, executeHtml and executeAjax *
11:01 < horros> etc
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11:01 < graste> hZilla: it's all in the sample application - use a route like <route pattern="application/json" source="_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT]" output_type="json" stop="false" /> on top of the routing.xml
11:01 < graste> the use your executeJson() in the view
11:02 < hZilla> i see... i think that's the answer i'm looking fro
11:02 < hZilla> thanks
11:02 < graste> executeJson returns json_Encode($whatever)
11:02 < graste> no worries
11:05 < CIA-57> felix * r3968 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/ (8 files in 5 dirs): 
11:05 < CIA-57> start of the form processing chapter
11:05 < CIA-57> adds missing dita file for chapter 6
11:07 < CIA-57> felix * r3969 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/tutorial.ditamap: fixes build error, wrong path to the output-types chapter in dita map, refs #1063
11:13 < CIA-57> felix * r3970 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/topics/tutorial/step6/basics-output-types.dita: 
11:13 < CIA-57> fixed some layout issues in the pdf output, replaced tabs by spaces
11:13 < CIA-57> - refs #1063
11:22 < CIA-57> felix * r3971 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/stage7/app/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
11:22 < CIA-57> replace all html entities (&copy; &nbsp;) by either the appropriate char or a numeric entity - that makes FPF happy
11:22 < CIA-57> - refs #1063
11:26 < CIA-57> felix * r3972 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/stages/ (18 files in 6 dirs): merging changeset [3971] to all applicable stage apps, removes html entities, refs #1063
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13:31 < kaos|work_> _cheerios: ze website is DOWN
13:32 < saracen_> Lawl. I was just looking to see if there was a boost logging library, somebodies made a proposal for one. http://torjo.com/index.html - I'm not going to use it simply because of what he's put on the front page about himself.
13:32 < graste> haha
13:33 < saracen_> I think he loves himself more than C++.
13:33 < _cheerios> kaos|work_, gaah. hetzner or me? hmm :)
13:33 < graste> nobody can love c++
13:34 < graste> or should
13:34 < graste> anyways
13:34 < saracen_> =(
13:34 < benschi> but plain C ain't much betta
13:35 < kaos|work_> _cheerios: you, i've been getting 500 and 503 responses all day
13:36 < _cheerios> yeah, shitty old version acting up. should be 2.0 (finally) this week. like i've said for the past two weeks...
13:36 < kaos|work_> weeks 
13:36 < kaos|work_> you mean
13:36 < kaos|work_> years ? :D
13:36 < kaos|work_> graste: c++ rocks!
13:37 < saracen_> I liek C++ =(
13:37 < _cheerios> ok, ok, 2½ years only!
13:37 < kaos|work_> :]
13:40 < _cheerios> dont have the u/ps here at work, bleh
13:40 < kaos|work_> :/
13:41 < kaos|work_> don't you finns do everything with your phone anyways ? ;)
13:44 < graste> kaos|work_: I don't liek it :P
13:44 < kaos|work_> how deep did you dig ? ;D
13:45 < graste> not deep ofc!
13:45 < _cheerios> kaos|work_, up. seems php had hung.
13:45 < _cheerios> (fcgi)
13:45 < kaos|work_> _cheerios: yay, i have nooz again
13:45 < graste> can't be arsed with pointers to array of function pointers :P
13:46 < kaos|work_> except you don't really do that in php ;)
13:46 < kaos|work_> err
13:46 < kaos|work_> c++
13:46 < graste> mostly did some plain old ansi c and then some MFC bullshit as I had to
13:46 < _cheerios> kaos|work_, i have this fancy phone which im notusing to the mac :)
13:46 < _cheerios> *max
13:46 < kaos|work_> hehe _cheerios 
13:46 < kaos|work_> graste: mfc ... you name it
13:46 < kaos|work_> bullshit
13:46 < kaos|work_> and that's not c++
13:46 < kaos|work_> it's c with classes
13:46 < kaos|work_> ;)
13:46 < graste> yeah
13:46 < graste> that's what I figured
13:47 < graste> after that experience I just stood away from it
13:47 < graste> it's all prejudices
13:47 < kaos|work_> which i can understand :)
13:47 < kaos|work_> but after working with the pure winapi for some time you'd actually even appreciate mfc
13:50 < graste> :)
13:51  * graste liked Delphi back in the days... *duck&cover*
13:55 < kaos|work_> VCL ftw xD
13:59 < graste> some years after abandoning delphi I used mfc and visual studio to create a chat application (client/server, threading etc) and just got headaches all the time =)
13:59 < graste> and not just because of threads
13:59 < graste> but also because of those components and view elements you want to use
13:59 < graste> nothing really usable with settings you need
14:00 < graste> just plain suckage
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14:22 < Wombert> nom
14:24 < Wombert> graste: lets have a look at that
14:28 < CIA-57> david * r3973 /branches/1.0/src/util/AgaviToolkit.class.php: doc fixes... meh
14:36 < Wombert> graste: if I send you a patch, can you test it?
14:39 < v-dogg> Wombert: arraypath patch is not commited yet, is it?
14:39 < Wombert> v-dogg: nope
14:39 < Wombert> will today
14:39 < v-dogg> cool
14:40 < v-dogg> I'll upgrade right away and keep testing it
14:40 < v-dogg> I really like Trac, btw
14:40 < v-dogg> just thought I'd let you all know :)
14:41 < v-dogg> and lighthouse is crap if you ask me
14:41 < graste> Wombert: I'm back
14:41 < graste> yeah, I could test it
14:41 < v-dogg> so regarding propel's future I vote for Trac
14:41 < Wombert> v-dogg: :)
14:41 < Wombert> the only thing nice about jira would be the "fix version(s)" field
14:41 < Wombert> trac doesn't have that :(
14:41 < v-dogg> what's it for?
14:42 < Wombert> well
14:42 < Wombert> you have a field where you can define in what versions it has been fixed
14:42 < Wombert> which is always good to know
14:43 < v-dogg> yeah, true
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14:43 < Wombert> whenever I have a php bug report, I need to wade through cvs logs, and then find the changelog entry, to know which version has the fix
14:43 < Wombert> I mean, we have milestones, but those only tell half the story
14:43 < Wombert> because if we backport a fix to an older release
14:43 < Wombert> that information is not immediately apparent from the ticket itself
14:44 < v-dogg> ticket refs in commit messages help too
14:45 < v-dogg> which is something repositoryhosting should fix asap
14:45 < v-dogg> the only thing really bothering me with it
14:47 < graste> Wombert, if you send me a patch I could give it to my teammates to apply it and check the results
14:48 < Wombert> graste: will asap
14:48 < graste> thx :)
14:48 < Wombert> give me ~1hr
14:48 < Wombert> max
14:48 < graste> no worries
14:56 < CIA-57> david * r3974 /branches/1.0/ (432 files in 3 dirs): Updated timezone database to 2009d, closes #1070 and refs #1066
15:01 < CIA-57> david * r3975 /branches/0.11/ (432 files in 3 dirs): merge [3974/branches/1.0], refs #1070 and #1066
15:06 < CIA-57> david * r3976 /branches/0.11/CHANGELOG: Mar, not Feb, and no RC for 0.11.7
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15:07 < mach3-domke> huomenta
15:07 < mach3-domke> i think i found a bug..
15:08 < mach3-domke> I want to validate my registration Form
15:08 < mach3-domke> i have a field zip
15:08 < mach3-domke> and in the validation XML i set as class "number"
15:09 < mach3-domke> paramters are min = 5 und max = 5 because in germany zips have only 5 letters
15:10 < mach3-domke> But i get every time my error msg from the validation XML
15:10 < mach3-domke> but if i change the class to "string" it works..
15:10 < mach3-domke> but i don't want that user can write Letters
15:10 < mach3-domke> what now?
15:11 < Wombert> nono, mach3-domke 
15:11 < Wombert> "min" and "max" are for the value range
15:12 < Wombert> you should have two validators on that field
15:12 < Wombert> a string validator that make sure it's exactly five characters
15:12 < Wombert> and a number validator that makes sure it's a number
15:12 < Wombert> alternatively, you could use a regex validator and use \d{5}
15:13 < mach3-domke> whats the class name of regex
15:13 < mach3-domke> regex?
15:13 < Wombert> and maybe "type" => "int" for the number validator
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15:17 < mach3-domke> where can i read about an validator with regex example
15:17 < mach3-domke> because i have no idea how to write..?!
15:18 < mach3-domke> where i have to write the pattern : \d{5}
15:19 < graste> just have a look at the source of the AgaviRegexpValidator class
15:19 < graste> there should be all available parameters and its names
15:21 < Wombert> graste: you know the workaround for the issue you guys are having is using a slash, right?
15:22 < mach3-domke> no
15:23 < mach3-domke> so it works half.. if i write 12345 it pass
15:23 < mach3-domke> if i write my zip 24768 i get the error validation meg
15:24 < mach3-domke> http://pastebin.com/m2089e484
15:24 < mach3-domke> meg = msg
15:24 < Wombert> ...
15:24 < Wombert> \d{5}
15:24 < Wombert> not {5}
15:24 < Wombert> and not "int"
15:27 < mach3-domke> Warning: preg_match() [function.preg-match]: Delimiter must not be alphanumeric or backslash in C:\xampp\htdocs\xampp\pressWeb\library\agavi\validator\AgaviRegexValidator.class.php on line 55
15:28 < graste> Wombert: well, yes (he tried that too long ago, but it seems to work as another possible workaround)
15:28 < graste> it didn't work weeks ago, don't ask
15:29 < graste> I explicitely asked that before creating the ticket :P
15:29 < graste> ..
15:29 < graste> but hey
15:29 < graste> it works
15:29 < graste> handling should be consistent nonetheless
15:29 < graste> thx for your effort
15:30 < mach3-domke> what?
15:30 < graste> ?
15:30 < graste> was not talking to you :)
15:31 < mach3-domke> the regex validator still not working with the pattern \d{5}
15:31 < mach3-domke> oh 
15:31 < mach3-domke> ok
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15:41 < kaos|work_> mach3-domke: use "/\d{5}/"
15:45 < mach3-domke> Works..
15:45 < mach3-domke> THX
15:46 < benschi> how good are 225 served request for trac messured with ab2 -k -t 30 -c 10
15:48 < mach3-domke> another question..
15:48 < mach3-domke> i have in my form the field password and password_check
15:48 < benschi> on a pentium 4 2,8 with 512 RAM?
15:48 < mach3-domke> how i can check if password = password_check what and Where is the Best way/Place?
15:48 < Wombert> benschi: ver
15:48 < Wombert> y
15:48 < Wombert> 225/s 
15:48 < Wombert> ?
15:49 < benschi> ups not per sec thats 12,8
15:49 < Wombert> <validator class="equals">
15:49 < Wombert>   <argument>password_check</argument>
15:49 < Wombert>   <parameter name="value">password</parameter>
15:49 < Wombert>   <parameter name="asparam">true</parameter>
15:50 < benschi> gnaa damn it, wrong server 7,4 req/s
15:50 < Wombert> or
15:50 < Wombert> <validator class="equals">
15:50 < Wombert>   <argument>password</argument>
15:50 < Wombert>   <argument>password_check</argument>
15:51 < Wombert> that will have the error set on both fields, then
15:52 < Wombert> graste: so
15:52 < benschi> but no matter how hard i try, trac doesn't seem to send expire headers...
15:53 < Wombert> graste: http://pastie.org/426614
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16:00 < Ox41> Wombert: you need a signup validator?
16:00 < Ox41> oh nevermnd
16:01 < Ox41> well, this is what I have for the same question, if anyone cares http://rafb.net/p/wz76Ot65.html
16:03 < Wombert> yeah
16:03 < Wombert> or you just use two arguments :)
16:03 < Wombert> but ofc you need to validate the length, too, if you wanan do that
16:04 < Ox41> So, how cool does this look? http://plans.boostmobile.com/monthlyunlimited.aspx
16:05 < saracen_> Looks like it's been to slimming world.
16:05 < Ox41> ?
16:05 < saracen_> The design. My widescreen monitor laughs at it.
16:06 < Wombert> looks good
16:06  * Wombert stabs graste 
16:06 < macen> kekhi
16:07 < macen> am i mistaken or is there somewhere that you can configure the name of "GET" requests, eg. where it is changed to "Write" ?
16:07 < macen> ugh
16:07 < Wombert> GET is mapped to "read"
16:07 < macen> "Read"
16:07 < Wombert> :)
16:07 < macen> ya
16:07 < macen> is this so?
16:07 < Wombert> lowercase, btw
16:07 < Wombert> sure
16:07 < macen> where :x
16:07 < Wombert> you can change the mapping in factories.xml for AgaviWebRequest
16:07 < Wombert> lemme check
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16:08 < Wombert> <parameter name="method_name"><parameter name="GET">fubar
16:08 < Wombert> sorry
16:08 < Wombert> <parameter name="method_names"><parameter name="GET">fubar
16:08 < macen> where have i seen this before, this is in the new sample app correct?
16:09 < macen> i was going to say because its not in the tutorial stages and it possibly should be?
16:10 < macen> are the tutorial stages (bloggie, from felx's rewrite) updated / created with the agavi 1.0 build system?
16:11 < Xylakant> yes, they are
16:12 < Xylakant> and there's a mentioning that you can configure the mapping of method names
16:12 < Wombert> it should not be in the tutorial
16:13 < Wombert> it's something very advanced
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16:13 < graste> Wombert: the patch works for the case we have :)
16:13 < Wombert> graste: cool
16:13 < Xylakant> it's mentioned that you can do it and it's also mentioned that you should not do it
16:13 < Xylakant> unless you have very good reasons
16:13 < macen> which is why i was asking
16:14 < macen> ok thks
16:14 < v-dogg> in what case would you want to remap them?
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16:15 < macen> I'm not sure
16:16 < macen> they are changed in the first place because SOAP, XML-RPC and other non HTTP environments wouldn't use standard HTTP verbs
16:16 < Wombert> yeah
16:16 < Xylakant> well, you'll only confuse developers and make it impossible to create plugins that do any specific execution
16:16 < Xylakant> SOAP, XML-RPC etc don't use that mapping anyways
16:17 < Xylakant> there are no GET,HEAD,PUT request in SOAP
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16:18 < CIA-57> felix * r3977 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/topics/tutorial/agavi-services.dita: fixes layouting bugs in pdf versions, #1063
16:20 < Xylakant> in the classic HTTP context you'd only add custom verbs to the mapping if you feel like declaring some. But that's a rare rare case.
16:22 < graste> :)
16:22 < graste> it's a FAQ entry anyways
16:23 < graste> btw nice work with the tutorial, Xylakant (even though I just had the time to scroll through instead of actually reading)
16:23 < graste> you could release it as "Agavi in action" :D
16:23 < Xylakant> thanks, feedback would still be welcome :)
16:23 < Xylakant> that's a bit the goal we're aiming for
16:24 < graste> how'd you prefer feedback? mentioning the page? patch against source? just hints?
16:24 < Xylakant> to actually make that the guide more than the tutorial
16:24 < graste> it is already more, I think
16:24 < Xylakant> welll, patch against source would be awesome
16:24 < Xylakant> but any other feedback is still great
16:24 < Xylakant> we'll try to get nightly builds but it currently doesn't build on our webserver
16:25 < Xylakant> don't aks me why, some sort of version issues with java and stuff certainly
16:26 < Xylakant> about the tutorial: i'd mostly be interested whether the order in which things are explained makes sense
16:26 < Xylakant> whether it's understandable for a new dev etc
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16:28 < graste> okay
16:34 < pashyon> just reached chap 4 and its good understandable, had no probs so far
16:36 < CIA-57> david * r3978 /branches/1.0/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Harmonized handling of dots and slashes in action, view and model names, closes #1071 and refs #1069
16:36 < Wombert> graste: this will not be backported to 0.11
16:36 < graste> don't need that
16:36 < Wombert> (because it's not really broken, just a bit inconsistent in places, and I can't be bothered, as the code is completely different)
16:36 < graste> and there's a workaround for it anyways
16:36 < Wombert> yup
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16:46 < Xylakant> pashyon: please note that there's a mini-bug in agavi 1.0 that affects the tutorial. if you follow the instructions by the letter you'll hit it when you get to slots. the name for the layout that's generated is false - it's fixed in the provided sample apps though
16:46 < Xylakant> and it's fixed in agavi as well, will be in 1.0.1
16:54 < CIA-57> dominik * r3979 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php): fix #1072: Race conditions in AgaviConfigCache::writeCacheFile() may produce corrupt files
16:58 < CIA-57> felix * r3980 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/ (13 files in 7 dirs): 
16:58 < CIA-57> adds chapter about form processing
16:58 < CIA-57> adds post creation code to the stage7 app
16:58 < CIA-57> refs #1063
17:02 < Xylakant> there's a new tutorial build at https://trac.agavi.org/attachment/ticket/1063/tutorial-03-25-1800.pdf
17:02 < Xylakant> enjoy
17:02 < macen> ty
17:02 < macen> well..
17:02 < macen> i'm looking at the tutorial atm
17:02 < macen> the "RequestMethods and Action execution"
17:03 < Xylakant> yes?
17:03 < macen> to setup a new methodname do you not need to create output type?
17:03 < Xylakant> no
17:03 < Xylakant> you just change the mapping
17:04 < Xylakant> it's a request method and output types are a completely separate mechanism
17:05 < macen> if you create an output type say "captcha" then in the view you would be able to receive these with executeCaptcha 
17:05 < Xylakant> macen
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17:06 < Xylakant> an output type named "captcha" would call the view's executeCaptcha() method
17:06 < macen> where are the mappings?
17:06 < Wombert> what mapping?
17:06 < Xylakant> for output types?
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17:07 < macen> methodnames
17:07 < Wombert> what do you need to map there
17:07 < Wombert> ...
17:07 < Xylakant> have a look at the chapter about output types
17:07 < Xylakant> anyways, I'm off
17:07 < macen> k
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17:09 < Wombert> v-dogg: you there?
17:10 < Wombert> I need someone on windows to test something quickly
17:10 < Wombert> volunteers please
17:10 < Wombert> it's really very very easy
17:10 < Wombert> svn up 1.0, test sample app, done
17:10 < v-dogg> alone with erica, available in 2 hours
17:11 < Wombert> ok
17:11 < Wombert> anyone else? :>
17:12 < CIA-57> david * r3981 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php): merge [3979/branches/1.0], refs #1072
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17:40 < Wombert> uh oh
17:40 < Wombert> v-dogg: poke
17:40 < Wombert> poooke
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17:51 < Wombert> okay v-dogg 
17:51 < Wombert> we had to remove the foo[] feature
17:51 < Wombert> because
17:51 < Wombert> an attacker could append foo[28] to the URL
17:51 < Wombert> then your export would be in foo[29], not in foo[0]
17:51 < Wombert> foo[28] would still be removed by validation, but the keys would be off
17:52 < Wombert> and that might potentially be harmful
17:53 < Wombert> you usually cannot rely on keys in validation, because there is no way to validate them
17:53 < Wombert> but
17:53 < Wombert> when exporting
17:53 < Wombert> people might assume that the values are 0-indexed
17:53 < Wombert> and I don't think it's necessary anyway
17:54 < Wombert> in case of doubt, you'd write your custom validator that does this :)
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18:05 < Strzalek_> Does anybody use doctrine here?
18:05 < Strzalek_> Huomenta ;)
18:07 < Ox41> yes, some people do
18:07 < Ox41> I have not found a need for it
18:07 < Strzalek_> Ahh
18:07 < Strzalek_> i need help ;)
18:07 < Ox41> plain old SQL ftw
18:07 < Ox41> :)
18:08 < Strzalek_> blaahhh
18:08 < Strzalek_> Ox41: bad habit
18:08 < Strzalek_> ;)
18:08 < Ox41> ??
18:08 < Ox41> mine?
18:10 < Wombert> as long as you use pdo and prepared statements...
18:10 < Ox41> <_< um... oh yeah...
18:10 < Ox41> definately.
18:11 < Ox41> No im lying. I have a ton of "SELECT * FROM `{$this->table}` WHERE `{$this->{$this->identifier}}` = '{$input}'";
18:11 < Ox41> but, $input is escaped and fixed before hand
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18:30 < CIA-57> david * r3982 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/util/AgaviArrayPathDefinition.class.php): Fixed #1075: Fatal error in AgaviArrayPathDefinition::setValue() in combination with arrays
18:31 < CIA-57> david * r3983 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/util/AgaviArrayPathDefinition.class.php): merge [3982/branches/1.0], refs #1075
18:34 < v-dogg> Ox41: don't quote sql identifiers
18:34 < CIA-57> david * r3984 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/validator/AgaviValidator.class.php): 
18:34 < CIA-57> Fix #1073: Exporting parameters from validators with an argument base causes fatal error
18:34 < CIA-57> Fix #1074: Allow control over exporting behavior in combination with argument bases
18:35 < v-dogg> Wombert: I'm at your service if you need windous testing
18:35 < Wombert> v-dogg: php version?
18:35 < Wombert> v-dogg: svn up and test the sample app for me
18:35 < Wombert> but it should work fine
18:37 < CIA-57> david * r3985 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/validator/AgaviValidator.class.php): merge [3984/branches/1.0], refs #1073 and #1074
18:37 < Wombert> v-dogg: also, please confirm that your export stuff works now
18:37 < Wombert> mind you foo[] as export is not possible anymore
18:37 < Wombert> we had to remove that as I explained above
18:37 < Wombert> but it shouldn't be necessary anyway in normal circumstances
18:40 < v-dogg> something specific you want to me try with the sample app?
18:40 < Wombert> no
18:40 < Wombert> if it works, then all fine
18:41 < Wombert> feck, test failure
18:41  * Wombert stabs
18:41 < v-dogg> works
18:41 < Wombert> cool
18:41 < v-dogg> then exporting ->
18:41 < Wombert> if you are bored, go to AgaviConfigCache::writeCacheFile()
18:41 < Wombert> remove the @ in rename()
18:41 < Wombert> and see if you get errors
18:41 < Wombert> (flush the cache first if necessary)
18:41 < Wombert> no wait, don't flush it
18:42 < Wombert> hah
18:42 < Wombert> !
18:42 < Wombert> v-dogg: switch off debug mode
18:42 < Wombert> see if that still works
18:42 < Wombert> then modify a config file
18:42 < Wombert> and try again
18:42 < Strzalek_> Wombert: http://snippie.net/snip/9173b27c
18:44 < v-dogg> Wombert: works and works
18:45 < Wombert> Strzalek_: !?!?
18:45 < Wombert> Strzalek_: that makes no difference
18:45 < Wombert> http://trac.doctrine-project.org/browser/branches/1.1/lib/Doctrine.php#L523
18:45 < Wombert> look what doctrine does
18:45 < Wombert> v-dogg: thanks
18:46 < Strzalek_> Wombert: what if you want app/models sth/shit/models
18:46 < Strzalek_> ?
18:46 < Wombert> make it an array?
18:46 < Wombert> ...
18:46 < Wombert> my god
18:46 < Wombert> <parameter name="load_models">
18:47 < Wombert>   <parameter>app/models
18:47 < Wombert> and so forth
18:47 < Wombert> is that so difficult?
18:47 < Wombert> and try not to use swear words just for the sake of it, thanks
18:48 < benschi> Wombert: How is trac run on agavi.org? Via mod_python?
18:48 < Wombert> benschi: I think so, yes
18:48 < Strzalek_> Ok, so tell me why when I'm generating from database Categories table i have error when loading it?
18:48 < Strzalek_> But when rename it to Test
18:48 < Strzalek_> it worsk?
18:48 < Strzalek_> works?
18:48 < Wombert> Strzalek_: does that have anything to do with the load_models stuff?
18:48 < Wombert> sounds like a doctrine question
18:49 < Wombert> benschi: I can't be bothered to wade through configs I don't understand... you'd need to ask kaos when he's back
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18:49 < Strzalek_> Wombert: figure out that it try to load Categories.php first, before generated/BaseCategories.php
18:49 < benschi> just wondering, cuz i was playing with trac today and did some test with mod python and mod wsgi
18:50 < v-dogg> iTunes shuffle <3
18:50 < benschi> and wsgi seems to be a lot faster
18:50 < benschi> at least for me
18:50 < Strzalek_> and than have an error becouse Categories has extend BaseCategories
18:50 < benschi> just wanted to let you know
18:50 < CIA-57> david * r3986 /branches/1.0/test/tests/unit/routing/AgaviRoutingTest.php: adjusted test for change in [3978], refs #1071
18:50 < v-dogg> the other night it found some nice Chick Corea I hadn't heard in a long time. this time it fetched some old Pearl Jam :)
18:51 < Wombert> Strzalek_: I don't understand the question
18:51 < Strzalek_> OK, never mind
18:51 < Wombert> and I don't understand how your snippet would change anything
18:51 < Strzalek_> It wouldn't
18:51 < Strzalek_> sorry for the mess
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18:53 < Wombert> jake
18:53 < Wombert> dude
18:53 < Wombert> you're still alive
18:53 < Wombert> :>
18:54 < CIA-57> david * r3987 /branches/1.0/CHANGELOG: whoops, changelog authors wrong in [3984], refs #1073 and #1074
18:57 < CIA-57> david * r3988 /branches/0.11/CHANGELOG: merge [3987/branches/1.0], refs #1073 and #1074
18:58 < CIA-57> david * r3989 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/vendor/): updated PHPUnit to 3.4.0beta2, closes #1076 and refs #1058
19:02 < Wombert> home
19:02 < Wombert> bbiab
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19:37 < asonge> is there a way for the console context to return a specific output code?
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19:49 < Wombert> nom
19:49  * Wombert pokes jake 
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20:04 < graste> asonge: try $this->getResponse()->setExitCode($number); 
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20:09 < asonge> graste: thank you
20:09 < graste> np
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20:19 < _cheerios> jee
20:21 < _cheerios> urggh. im gettin' better at this networking thing.
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20:35 < _cheerios> chuckling later on at "yeah, doing an MBA" -- checking on facebook later... in Harvard :p
20:42 < Wombert> asonge: like the console stuff?
20:47 < graste> fkn german government and their censorship
20:47 < graste> I could just throw up all the time when I read their "arguments"
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20:55 < _cheerios> move to australia, they're a merry bunch!
20:58 < graste> well, been there, done that :)
20:59 < graste> but now they have their filtered version of the internet 
20:59 < graste> probably our government copies half their entries, when it's time =)
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21:01 < graste> nonetheless I like aussies, they're nice and laidback fellows
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21:09 < _cheerios> ttj, was diili a big thing in finland?
21:45 < _cheerios> seen much, but not this. bold ad. http://www.canneslions.fi/ylf/images/stories/ylf08/press/there_are_places_dicks_shouldn%27t_visit__a188860d99d20f253c2b3d571f67ca75.pdf
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22:09 < impl> v-dogg: pong
22:13 < _cheerios> is it normal that after "svnadmin load" on a big repo, the repo corrupts? i had to "svnadmin recover" to get anything to show again
22:17 < _cheerios> "big" is 5gigs gzipped in this case. things seem to work now, but *shrug*
22:19 < _cheerios> me and numbers, 50megs even.
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22:25 < graste> ^^
22:25 < graste> impl, I pledged for 5
22:25 < graste> :D
22:26 < impl> graste: awesome :D
22:27 < _cheerios> ppl are still pledgin?
22:27 < graste> you reckon
22:27 < _cheerios> i thought it hit the 50 limit eons ago
22:28 < Wombert> http://twitter.com/dzuelke/status/1390778265
22:28 < Wombert> nn
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01:31 < Rayne> does mtv use the agavi framework? ( http://blog.brati-network.de/blog-eintrag/Benutzt-MTV-de-Agavi--207.html )
01:32 < Rayne> or is this just a fake blog entry?
01:36 < impl> ~ % wget -q -O - --save-headers http://www.mtv.de/ | grep 'X-Powered-By'
01:36 < impl> X-Powered-By: Agavi/1.0.0-dev on PHP/5.2.6-1~westend+etch1
01:36 < impl> :)
01:39 < Wombert> yes, they do
01:39 < E_mE> holy feck, 5MB mtv.de
01:39 < Wombert> I'm not quite sure why they have exceptions on in production mode though...
01:40 < Rayne> is the developer known who created this mtv site?
01:40 < Rayne> E_mE, 5m?
01:41 < E_mE> check firebug when you perform a request Rayne 
01:41 < Rayne> k
01:43 < Rayne> E_mE, i got only ~ 2m?
01:43 < E_mE> Ja I got that first time round, for some reason it went upto 5, i think an advert or so spammed m
01:43 < E_mE> e
01:44 < Wombert> it's not the kind of site that only one developer can write
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01:44 < Wombert> http://www.exozet.com/index.php/interact/de/References/Detail/id/941
01:45 < E_mE> I'm heading to bed
01:45 < E_mE> nite nite
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01:47 < Rayne> omgosh i hate this "i-mix-languages-for-epic-slang shit" like "anteesen" ...
01:47 < Rayne> thanks for the link
01:47 < Wombert> I guess you mean "anteasern"
01:47 < Wombert> but whatever
01:47 < Wombert> I'll try and get some sleep once again
01:48 < E_mE> shot of whisky Wombert 
01:48 < E_mE> ;)
01:48 < Rayne> exactly "anzuteasern" :P
01:48 < E_mE> nite 
01:48 < Rayne> more exact
01:48 < Rayne> aarrr whatever
01:48 < Rayne> tired rayne is tired
01:48 < Rayne> gn8 guys
01:48 < Wombert> I only have a bottle of Red Label, E_mE
01:48 < Wombert> that won't help
01:48 < Wombert> :)
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01:49 < Wombert> ah well
01:49 < Wombert> nn folks
01:49 < E_mE> enough of it will =P
01:49 < Wombert> true, but I'd rather not try :>
01:50 < Wombert> g'night man
01:50 < Wombert> why are you still up anyway
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05:58 < MugeSo> huomenta
06:21 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:20 < horros> Huomenta.
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07:41 < v-dogg> wümbart!
07:41 < v-dogg> no, sorry, wuembart :p
07:42 < v-dogg> Wombert: http://pastebin.ca/1372691 enhancement to AgaviStringValidator, interested?
07:43 < v-dogg> e.g <ae:parameter name="modify_func">strtoupper</ae:parameter>
07:44 < impl> v-dogg: +1, but you spelled 'length' wrong and spell out the word 'function' please :D
07:44 < v-dogg> or <ae:parameter name="modify_func"><ae:parameter>strtolower</ae:parameter><ae:parameter>ucfirst</ae:parameter></ae:parameter>
07:44 < v-dogg> impl: roger :)
07:45 < impl> v-dogg: wonder if we should do a general callbacks sort of thing
07:45 < v-dogg> yup
07:45 < impl> (or is that straying too far?)
07:46 < Wombert> "filters"
07:46  * impl squints at Wombert 
07:46 < v-dogg> yeah, that'd be nice
07:46 < Wombert> v-dogg: can you commit the "trim" docs fix please
07:46 < Wombert> and for the modify thing
07:46 < Wombert> make a ticket for 1.0.2
07:46 < v-dogg> can do
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07:47 < Seldaek> not sure what you mean by filters Wombert, but it would be cool to have a <filters> node in the validation xmls that would execute first, normalizing data, and then it would be validated
07:47 < v-dogg> or the other way around
07:47 < Seldaek> so you can trim and whatnot at that point and then check if it's empty
07:47 < impl> we have input thingies now
07:47 < Wombert> well you can just use a validator for that
07:47 < Wombert> that was always the plan anyway...
07:47 < impl> input types.
07:48 < Seldaek> okay
07:48 < Seldaek> is it in the new docs? :)
07:48 < impl> It's not even in branches/1.0 yet
07:48 < impl> :>
07:48 < Wombert> input types really = just one new validator :)
07:48 < Wombert> to decode json
07:48 < Wombert> xml you need to write yourself (obviously)
07:48 < v-dogg> impl: 6 ele orders coming your way shortly :)
07:49 < impl> v-dogg: oh! snap!
07:49 < Wombert> he only has 4 left
07:49 < Wombert> (I guess)
07:49 < impl> Wombert: 28 elePHPants currently pledged
07:49 < impl> gotta get to 50 :>
07:51  * horros ponders
07:51 < Wombert> zomg
07:51 < Wombert> it's late
07:51  * Wombert shower &
07:51 < v-dogg> I wonder how many I should order to justify a direct order from nexen
07:51 < v-dogg> because seems silly to ship them to the US first :)
07:51 < impl> v-dogg: the minimum for a direct order is 50
07:51 < v-dogg> k
07:52  * horros curses facebook
07:52 < impl> v-dogg: I actually don't know whether Damien has another box right now
07:52 < impl> I *heard* that the one I've got right now was his last for a month or two
07:53  * horros cries
07:55 < CIA-57> v-dogg * r3990 /branches/1.0/src/validator/AgaviStringValidator.class.php: PHPDoc fix
07:56 < v-dogg> better parameter names for 'modify_funct(ions)' ?
08:00 < Seldaek> filters? ?
08:01 < horros> Hmm.
08:01 < horros> I may have to rewrite most of the facebook php client library stuff to actually fit into Agavi.
08:02 < horros> because this API annoys the bejeesus out of me.
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08:08 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:10  * horros curses facebook some more
08:14 < _cheerios> what did facebook do to you?
08:15 < horros> It has a horrible API?
08:15 < horros> It's client library is crap?
08:15 < horros> It's all terribly confusing?
08:15 < horros> All the tutorials are for some older API version?
08:16 < horros> That's what annoys me to start with.
08:19 < Wombert> Seldaek has a point though
08:19 < Wombert> something generic... hmhm
08:19 < v-dogg> impl: so now there are 34 eles pledged, right?
08:19 < Wombert> also
08:19 < Wombert> can anyone get me a BarcampLondon ticket please?
08:19 < Wombert> ask friends and stuff
08:19 < Wombert> flying tomorrow
08:19 < Wombert> office ->
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08:20 < _cheerios> horros: oh, devvin' -wise.
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08:48 < Xylakant> huomenta
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08:57 < impl> v-dogg: sure are :D
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09:13 < graste> huomenta
09:13 < fnordfish> huomenta
09:14 < horros> Ahahahahaha
09:14 < horros> Silly Germans.
09:14 < horros> They're going to implement a child porn blocking thing like us Finns have.
09:15 < horros> and the "Family minister" said "Child porn on the internet is like a drug and can lead to addiction and even WORSE CRIME!"
09:15 < horros> :D :D :D
09:15 < graste> yeah
09:15 < graste> sux
09:16 < horros> Ursula von der Leyen needs a punch in the face.
09:17 < horros> Or two.
09:17 < graste> introducing censorship hidden behind a childporn smokescreen
09:17 < graste> indeed, several other government persons, too
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09:24 < Xylakant> interesting link in that discussion: http://www.lawblog.de/index.php/archives/2009/03/25/die-legende-von-der-kinderpornoindustrie/
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09:26 < horros> Hmm.
09:26 < graste> yeah, read that yesterday
09:27 < graste> the numbers they gave as proof were, well, let's say interpreted incorrectly
09:27 < graste> that is, wrong
10:00 < Wombert> http://www.zlty-pes.sk/zf.png
10:00 < Wombert> rofl
10:00 < Wombert> :>
10:00 < graste> wtf :D
10:01 < graste> now create an agavi overview and post both pictures side by side
10:02 < Wombert> http://blog.wombert.de/post/22107574/how-ross-tamed-a-legacy-beast-with-agavi
10:02 < Wombert> :)
10:02 < Wombert> although that's not the same graph, to be fair
10:02 < Wombert> I think impl once did one
10:02 < graste> hehe, yeah he tested graphing with dot
10:03 < graste> few days ago or so
10:03 < Wombert> that was api docs though
10:03 < Wombert> not a trace graph
10:03 < graste> yep
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10:04 < graste> that post is not available anymore, you should do a new one :P
10:07 < Wombert> it was the same picture :)
10:08  * E_mE is forced to use # for commenting in his code :'(
10:08 < E_mE> I shall be clever and setup emacs to do automatic replacements mwhahah
10:08 < graste> we need the new content :P
10:08 < graste> agavi 1.0 arrived
10:08 < fnordfish> Xylakant: my japanese is a bit rusty
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10:23 < CIA-57> david * r3991 /branches/0.11/RELEASE_NOTES: 0.11.7 release notes
10:24 < CIA-57> david * r3992 /branches/0.11/RELEASE_NOTES: typo
10:25 < CIA-57> david * r3993 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG etc/phing/AgaviPackageTask.php src/version.php): 0.11.7 version info
10:26 < Wombert> fnordfish: look
10:26 < Wombert> daniel made it into securityfocus!
10:26 < Wombert> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/33826
10:27 < graste> :-)
10:41 < Xylakant> does anybody have feedback on the guide
10:41  * graste not
10:42 < Xylakant> I finally got the build script to do my bidding
10:42 < Xylakant> we might get an html version up on the agavi site soon
10:43 < CIA-57> felix * r3994 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/build.sh: 
10:43 < CIA-57> made the build script produce the proper html for the page. probably that should be split into the build itself + the post processing for the webpage.
10:43 < CIA-57> refs #1063
10:44 < fnordfish> Wombert: yah - saw, and poked him already it 
10:44 < fnordfish> -it ... 
10:45 < fnordfish> Xylakant: have a printout, but not read et :(
10:45 < Xylakant> well, that printout is probably already outdated
10:46 < graste> :)
10:46 < Xylakant> there's a new version attached to the ticket
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10:46 < CIA-57> felix * r3995 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/build.sh: 
10:46 < CIA-57> narf. removed the comment from the stage tarball generation...
10:46 < CIA-57> refs #1063
10:47 < fnordfish> Wombert: actually I saw that one: http://secunia.com/advisories/33982/2/
10:48 < fnordfish> any ways. I was running thru the office shouting "behold the agavi book!"
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10:51 < CIA-57> david * r3996 /branches/1.0/RELEASE_NOTES: 1.0.1 release notes, WIP
10:51 < Xylakant> slap your devs with it
10:51 < Wombert> its gonna end up at a couple of hundred pages
10:51 < Xylakant> beat the condensed agavi knowledge in their brains
10:51 < Wombert> I guess
10:52 < Wombert> which is good
10:52 < Wombert> :>
10:52 < graste> :x
10:52 < graste> don't you dare!
10:52 < Xylakant> a couple hundred pages?
10:52 < Xylakant> easily
10:52 < graste> no, I mean fnordfish
10:52 < Xylakant> we're at about 70+ at the moment
10:52 < graste> beating me
10:53 < graste> as I said: "Agavi in action"
10:53 < graste> :>
10:54 < CIA-57> david * r3997 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG etc/phing/AgaviPackageTask.php src/version.php): 1.0.1 RC1 version info
10:56 < horros> *BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPP*
10:56 < horros> Pardon me.
10:56  * horros rubs belly
10:56 < Xylakant> brr. the website layout of the guide is a bit broken
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11:15 < CIA-57> felix * r3998 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/build.sh: 
11:15 < CIA-57> The rough way of fixing the broken layout - append a closing div.
11:15 < CIA-57> refs #1063
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11:34 < digitarald> Huomenta
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11:38 < CIA-57> david * r3999 /branches/0.11/TODO: TODO update
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11:50 < CIA-57> david * r4000 /tags/0.11.7/: tagging 0.11.7 release
11:50 < Wombert> harrr
11:50 < Wombert> snatched r4000
11:50 < Wombert> :>
11:50 < horros> Hmm. Agavi nukes cookies that aren't validated, yes?
11:50 < Wombert> yes horros 
11:50 < horros> Right.
11:51  * horros curses facefail some more
11:52 < horros> I can't seem to find a list of cookies that facebook set/gets/expects/whatever.
11:52 < horros> Hmmh.
11:52 < horros> I need to h4x0r this Facebook class.
11:52 < horros> It uses $_GET/$_POST/$_COOKIE
11:52 < Wombert> yes
11:52 < Wombert> its fail
11:52 < horros> It is, indeed.
11:52 < Wombert> they're morons
11:53 < Wombert> they should have abstracted it
11:53 < horros> The whole API and documentation and tutorials and everything is just a huge steaming pile of annoying fail.
11:56 < CIA-57> david * r4001 /branches/0.11/src/version.php: back to 0.11.8-dev
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11:59 < horros> Hmm.
12:00 < horros> I should be able to work around this by passing the AgaviRequestDataHolder to the Failbook class and stab validate_fb_params / get_valid_fb_params
12:01 < Wombert> that stuff is procedural?
12:01 < Wombert> christ
12:01 < horros> No
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12:01 < horros> Facebook::validate_fb_params()
12:04 < Wombert> static?
12:04 < Wombert> oh lawl
12:04 < Wombert> did I mention I wanted to punch mark zuckerberg, should I ever meet him?
12:08 -!- Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: stable: 1.0.0 :: maintenance: 0.11.7 :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) ::  have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: http://ohloh.net/p/agavi :: logs at http://www.agavi.org/irclogs :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/IRC
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12:14 < CIA-57> david * r4002 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG-0.11 RELEASE_NOTES-0.11): synced 0.11.7 release notes and changelog
12:15 < horros> lol @ new apple itunes store thing
12:15 < Wombert> lunch
12:15  * Wombert &
12:15 < horros> apparently the situation is this: you create an app that costs n euro. apple takes it's commission, 30%.
12:16 < horros> You can "return" the apps to the store and get a full refund (n euro)
12:16 < horros> and apple takes the whole 100% from you
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12:16 < horros> so basically if you sell apps for, say, 10 000 euro, you get 7000 from apple. say everyone returns the app...
12:16 < horros> which means you get to pay 10 000 euro to apple.
12:16 < horros> Apple <3
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12:47 < graste> wtf horros
12:47 < graste> you're serious with that apple store thing?
12:47 < graste> i knew about the 30%, but "returning" apps? wtf
12:47 < graste> haha
12:48 < _cheerios> a "refund policy" isn't that strange...
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12:52 < horros> graste: Yessir.
12:52 < horros> _cheerios: No, but the fact that apple makes 30% from each app sold regardless of if it's refunded is.
12:53 < graste> too funny
12:53 < horros> graste: http://kotaku.com/5181471/apple-putting-the-squeeze-on-iphone-developers
12:54 < horros> "In the event that Apple refunds any such price to an end-user, You shall reimburse, or grant Apple a credit for, an amount equal to the price for that Licensed Application. Apple will have the right to retain its commission on the sale of that Licensed Application, notwithstanding the refund of the price to the end-user."
12:54 < graste> it's so ridiculuous =)
12:55 < _cheerios> the cost of doing business
12:55 < horros> Of course all the apple fanboys think this is a "good idea"
12:55 < graste> alone the fact that you can get a refund software
12:55 < graste> I'm mean: it's used now
12:55 < graste> :D
12:55 < graste> -m
12:55 < horros> "Assuming apple is saying their 30% goes towards the hardware, bandwidth, software, distribution, testing etc. Its quite reasonable."
12:55 < horros> QUITE REASONABLE MY ARSE!
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12:56 < graste> perhaps they should further on resell "used" refunded software for half the prize =)
12:56 < graste> and get 30% of that as well
12:56 < graste> ^^
12:56 < horros> :D
12:57 < horros> This is so true: "In the real world only Bill Gates gets screwed for doing stuff like this."
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12:58 < v-dogg> [.] resolve as [fixed]
12:58 < v-dogg> there! I have earned myself some kaffe!
12:58 < v-dogg> Trac <3
13:01 < E_mE> horros: 30% is reasonable if you consider the variations i price for each of apps, some cost like 59p or so where as other cost £5,99 or so
13:02 < E_mE> but the problem arises that the poor sod that makes apps which cost 5,99 is compensating for the 59p app
13:02 < graste> it's not reasonable
13:02 < graste> the refund policy is given by apple and you have to do it
13:02 < graste> that's quite astonishing
13:03 < graste> 30% is something you can live with as an developer
13:03 < graste> but not that refund thingy
13:03 < E_mE> I'm merely referring to the 30% commission they earn, not refunds
13:03 < graste> okay, we're on one side then on that
13:03 < graste> :P
13:05 < E_mE> :)
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13:15 < horros> E_mE: Nobody said the comission for bought software is unreasonable.
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13:15 < horros> E_mE: What's unreasonable is that apple keeps the comission and charges the developer 100% of the refund price if an app is refunded.
13:15 < v-dogg> but charging the developer for refunds...
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13:15 < Wombert> I'd do 50/50 or so
13:16 < Wombert> I mean
13:16 < Wombert> if you bring back something to a department store
13:16 < Wombert> because they have a refund policy
13:16 < Wombert> then the department store also has costs from this
13:16 < Wombert> and its ummm
13:16 < Wombert> I mean
13:16 < Wombert> devs should write good software, then they don't have to accept refunds :
13:18 < kaos|work_> i think nobody disagrees if apple would keep their actual costs
13:19 < kaos|work_> but that's not what they do, they actually make money off the developers bucket when someone wants a refund for his app
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13:20 < kaos|work_> which tbh stinks
13:24 < _cheerios> sell your iphones, boycott apple!
13:25 < saracen_> Anyone selling an iPhone?
13:25 < digitarald> I want a Nokia, KTHX
13:26 < digitarald> sell your Nokia, boycott Nokia!
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13:28 < horros> I have decided I hate the front of the Jaguar XF
13:31 < _cheerios> integrating payment solution is so boring :<
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13:35 < Wombert> horros: you must be out of your mind
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13:40 < horros> Wombert: no u
13:41 < horros> The XKR > XF ^ 10 000 000 000 000 000
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13:42 < benschi> Wombert does Agavi support couchdb?
13:43 < Wombert> what?
13:43 < benschi> I mean as a DB 
13:43 < Wombert> um
13:43 < horros> Ok, this facebook class is really starting to annoy me.
13:43 < Wombert> if you have a reasonable api for it...
13:43 < Wombert> phpillow is utter crap
13:43 < Wombert> and my phpcouch is... er... outdated
13:44 < Wombert> ( http://phpcouch.org/ )
13:44 < benschi> yeah tried to work with it, but havent gotten far
13:44 < Wombert> and phpillow is stupid because it requires you to write schemas and all kinds of things that completely miss the point of couchdb)
13:45 < benschi> couchdb as i understand it is just for storing stuff
13:45 < benschi> text mainly
13:45 < Wombert> uh
13:45 < Wombert> no
13:45 < Wombert> it's a document database
13:45 < benschi> darn
13:46 < benschi> Well under a document i understand a title a content, foot notes etc.
13:47 < benschi> just like they state on the intro page
13:47 < Wombert> uh
13:47 < Wombert> no
13:48 < horros> http://www1.autoalanverkkopalvelu.fi/mediakone/aineistot/113/galleria_xf4i.jpg
13:48 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document-oriented_database
13:48 < horros> How can you seriously say that's a "good looking car"
13:48 < horros> :x
13:48 < Wombert> horros: see
13:48 < Wombert> it's brilliant
13:48 < Wombert> :x
13:48 < horros> No, it's shit!
13:48 < horros> :x
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13:49 < benschi> thank Wombert I'll read some more before asking more stuid questions
13:49 < Wombert> benschi: it's a document centric approach
13:49 < horros> http://saloncars.com/catalog/images/08JaguarXKR.jpg
13:50 < horros> <3
13:50 < horros> That's a billion times prettier.
13:50 < Wombert> you do not have columns or anything
13:50 < Wombert> or a schema
13:50 < Wombert> just arbitrary properties
13:50 < Wombert> you'd store products, categories, users, shopping carts bleh as individual documents
13:51 < benschi> So each document can be different, were as on mysql e.g each row follows the table schema.
13:51 < Wombert> yes
13:51 < horros> Hmm.
13:51 < horros> Is there any way to figure out where request parameters came from?
13:52 < horros> ie. get/post/cookie ?
13:53 < Xylakant> well cookie yet
13:53 < Xylakant> xes...
13:53 < Xylakant> oh come on
13:53 < horros> :D
13:53 < Xylakant> yes :)
13:53 < benschi> neat. :) 
13:53 < Xylakant> cookies are available in getCookie() in the AgaviWebRequestDataHolder
13:54 < Xylakant> but you can't figure out whether something was a GET or a POST value
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13:54 < horros> Hmm.
13:54 < mach3_domke> Huomenta
13:54 < horros> Actually, I don't think it matters.
13:54 < Xylakant> is there any specific reason why you'd want to do that?
13:54 < horros> Yes.
13:54 < horros> the facebook class is utter crap.
13:54 < horros> That's the reason :)
13:55 < horros> They muck about with $_GET / $_POST / $_COOKIE directly.
13:55 < Xylakant> hmm?
13:55 < Xylakant> yeah, great
13:55 < horros> which is fail when trying to implement Facebook Connect with Agavi.
13:55 < mach3_domke> Is it possible to set a Slot in an Action wich is set in the Masert.php Template? 
13:55 < Xylakant> you can't set slots in actions, only in views
13:55 < mach3_domke> in views..
13:55 < mach3_domke> sry
13:56 < Wombert> mach3_domke: if you set the slot in that view, then you can output the slot in that view's template
13:56 < Wombert> but not in master.php
13:56 < Wombert> the execution is isolated
13:56 < mach3_domke> ok 
13:56 < Wombert> I understood you right, right?
13:57 < mach3_domke> yes
13:57 < Wombert> you have an existing slot, right?
13:57 < Wombert> that you output in master.php
13:57 < Wombert> and inside that slot's view, you want to define another slot, also for master.php
13:57 < Wombert> correct?
13:57 < mach3_domke> no
13:57 < Wombert> :<
13:57 < Xylakant> ok, my turn then :)
13:57 < Xylakant> but in the slot you can retrieve the layer with $this->getLayer('<layername>');
13:58 < mach3_domke> in Master.php Template i have the output <?php echo $slots[sub_navi]; ?> and i want to set the sub:navi slot in the UserProfilView
13:58 < Wombert> aaaaaah
13:58 < Wombert> yes
13:58 < Wombert> that's easy
13:58 < Xylakant> where the layername is the name of the layer that uses master.php as template
13:58 < mach3_domke> so than default?!
13:58 < Xylakant> and then you can call setSlot() on that layer
13:58 < Wombert> you want to declare a slot at runtime, nasically?
13:58 < Wombert> *basically
13:58 < Wombert> no, "decorator"
13:58 < Wombert> layer, not layout
13:58 < mach3_domke> cool works :)
13:59 < Wombert> $this->getLayer('decorator')->setSlot('sub_navi', $this->createSlotContainer('Module', 'Action'));
13:59 < mach3_domke> thank u :)
13:59 < mach3_domke> i have :)
13:59 < Wombert> you can also give that slot arguments, request method, output type etc if you need
13:59 < Wombert> cool-o
13:59 < mach3_domke> but i think i found a bug in the documentation
13:59 < mach3_domke> http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/slots.html
14:00 < mach3_domke> please search for "Displaying an Action in a slot" on the site
14:00 < mach3_domke> than i tell u 
14:00 < mach3_domke> there u have a code blog.. public function executeHtml(AgaviRequestDataHolder $rd)
14:01 < mach3_domke> and ther in the last lines is written $layer... but its an Action..
14:01 < mach3_domke> and there u cant set a slot right?
14:01 < Wombert> nah that's a view snippet
14:01 < mach3_domke> or i miss understand the tut?
14:02 < mach3_domke> oh yes :) ists executeHTml
14:02 < mach3_domke> i read the whole time executeRead
14:02 < Wombert> mach3_domke: http://trac.agavi.org/attachment/ticket/1063/tutorial-03-25-1800.pdf
14:02 < mach3_domke> sry..
14:02 < Wombert> the new tutorial
14:02 < Wombert> much better (and bigger)
14:03 < mach3_domke> thx
14:03 < mach3_domke> :)
14:04 < mach3_domke> thats cool..
14:05 < CIA-57> david * r4003 /branches/1.0/src/build/templates/ (2 files in 2 dirs): proper fix for #1067, [3948] was incorrect
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14:08 < horros> gah
14:08 < horros> grumble
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14:12 < _cheerios> http://www.mod-top.org/index.html
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15:04 < benschi> Wombert_: how outdated is phpcouch? Just not finished or did couchDB change something that aint reflected?
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15:09 < _cheerios> http://www.zlty-pes.sk/zf.png Hello World with a framework :)
15:09 < graste_> graph it with agavi :P
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15:11 < Seldaek> all that mess clearly shows how easy it is to take one class out of ZF and use it on its own :p
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15:11 < benschi> how do you do such graphs anyways?
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15:12 < Seldaek> benschi: that thing I believe http://pecl.php.net/package/inclued
15:12 < E_mE> man thats horrible that graph
15:13 < Seldaek> it is :)
15:13 < E_mE> its so damn bigs far to complicated to even start to make sense of it
15:14 < Seldaek> I guess agavi wouldn't be that small either given the abstraction it provides, but hopefully less intertwined
15:15 < macen> clearly do an Agavi one
15:15 < macen> but only show if it is good :p
15:15 < macen> in which case i'd prefer to live in blissful ignorance 
15:15 < benschi> E_mE: You could plot it out and use it a wallpaper
15:16 < E_mE> there is an agavi one about
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15:16 < E_mE> saw it a year or so back
15:16 < E_mE> benschi: suicidal wallpaper =P
15:17 < benschi> guess you mean this http://blog.agavi.org/post/56501818/agavi-performance-in-rasmus-lerdorfs-froscon-simple
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15:17 < E_mE> no, from an actual project
15:17 < E_mE> its not in detail due to it be prioritery
15:18 < benschi> E_mE: You first have to find a wall where it fits.
15:20 < E_mE> well i cant find it atm
15:21 < E_mE> but when i do ill post it 
15:23 < benschi> Thanks :) Have to go back to my Syscalls, Interrupts blah blah
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15:59 < Wombert_> slow merges are slow
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16:34 < benschi> Wombert: how outdated is phpcouch? Just not finished or did couchDB change something that aint reflected?
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16:35 < Wombert> no idea benschi 
16:35 < benschi> so i gotta try
16:35 < benschi> well fair enough
16:36 < fnordfish> i've got quite a curiosity here - I've registered a new Action/View/Template as a outputtype-slot ... the thing will be executed, it will run into the template. But the result will not apear in the final site.
16:37 < Wombert> do you echo it? :p
16:38 < fnordfish> well - yes ;)
16:39 < fnordfish> and when i die in that template the template content does show up
16:51 < graste_> fnordfish: 
16:51 < graste_> probably you set the slot two times
16:51 < fnordfish> cool - when i change an existing slot, it's working
16:51 < graste_> or your slot uses a require_once and so the second time the slot is empty
16:53 < saracen_> I'm so confused
16:55 < fnordfish> solved - I DO NEED VACATION - typo in the master template 
16:56 < fnordfish> so - Wombert was right ;)
16:56  * Wombert coughs
16:56 < Wombert> typo?
16:56 < Wombert> that should give you a notice...
16:56 < Wombert> why do you develop with notices off
16:57 < fnordfish> not if testing if ($slots['typo'])
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16:57 < fnordfish> .. isset ..
16:58 < Xylakant> cool down
16:58 < Xylakant> you'll get your vacation
16:59 < fnordfish> T-9d
17:00 < Xylakant> jap
17:03 < MrJeep> fnordfish: T9d.. poker?
17:04 < Wombert> T minus 9 days
17:04 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countdown
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17:20 < CIA-57> david * r4006 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php): Fix #1079: Pass current execution container to caching callbacks in execution filter
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17:42 < fnordfish> bye
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17:43 < horros> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280324899952#description
17:43 < horros> haha
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18:41 < _cheerios> bacchikoi!
18:44 < _cheerios> ♪ let's grow old together and die at the same time ♪
18:46 < v-dogg> haha
18:46 < v-dogg> what on earth are you singing there?
18:47 < _cheerios> White Lies <3<3
18:48 < _cheerios> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gkquZue5ck on the letterman show, pretty damn good live
18:57 < _cheerios> i love bands whose single is the weaker song in the album. great stuff.
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19:27 < _cheerios> "Just tell me what I need to do, and I will write the SPL docs What format do they need to be in. What program is used to make them etc and how to commit them." << clear attitude problem :)
19:29 < v-dogg> sounds familiar.. :)
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20:16 < asonge> so i'm guessing libxml is rated as "broken" in osx :)
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20:36 < asonge> fucking config.cache fucking with my --with-libxml-dir
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20:46 < saracen_> Wheres that agavi FAQ =(
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21:00 < Rendez> would upgrade agavi by pear decompress phing and other pcks and install them?
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21:51 < impl> saracen_: http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html
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22:25 < kassens> hi
22:26 < kassens> i need a quick refresh on how "subactions" look like
22:26 < kassens> i.e. action="Product.View"
22:27 < kassens> this is a folder /Product/ added to each path (template, view, validatino etc? )
22:30 < _cheerios> fs :< guess i can't use the box while software raid is resyncing
22:35 < _cheerios> kassens, it means the action is looked up in /modules/?/actions/Product/ViewAction.class.php -- which you naturally made with agavi-tool
22:35 < kassens> _cheerios: ok, cool
22:36 < kassens> just figured it out
22:36 < Wombert> sample app...
22:36 < kassens> btw. would it be hard to change the agavi executable to ask for all parameters at the start
22:36 < Wombert> yes
22:36 < kassens> before doing anything?
22:36 < Wombert> yes
22:36 < kassens> would be cool…
22:36 < Wombert> and you can automate it almost entirely by passing the args
22:36 < Wombert> yeah, but that's not how phing works
22:37 < kassens> btw. i've tried rails again recently
22:37 < kassens> somehow its a total fail :P
22:38 < kassens> as far as i've seen it they dont have a concept similiar to the slots
22:39 < kassens> which means loading a menu generated from user data to the master template is ugly
22:42 < Wombert> dont they have partials or something retarded
22:42 < graste> they have
22:43 < graste> they've got layouts and then in your views you can use partials for subrendering of things
22:45 < kassens> well, but these partials are just rhtml files, so basically just a view
22:45 < Wombert> but those aren't full-blown actions that you can reuse on their own etc, right?
22:45 < Wombert> how do you do proper separation of page components then?
22:45 < kassens> and i'd need to pull model data from the view
22:45 < graste> they aren't - you just pass parameters to them and rails gives you some magic variables like list count or whatever
22:46 < graste> pretty fugly to use, if you need something special
22:46 < kassens> i like that i can just render an action somewhere in my page
22:46 < kassens> which i also could update with ajax or whatever
22:46 < graste> in rails?`
22:47 < kassens> no, agavi :D
22:47 < graste> just wondered =)
22:47 < impl> kassens: The 'agavi executable' is a 1500-line XML file
22:47 < impl> It does not like to be touched
22:48 < Wombert> they don't have output types either
22:48 < Wombert> well okay, you can end a page in .rss and then
22:48  * Wombert chuckles
22:48 < Wombert> that's a lot like caekphp
22:49 < kassens> while i dont like php, agavi is just pretty clean and makes php bearable
22:49 < impl> Yeah, that's our opinion too
22:52 < graste> :)
23:22 < _cheerios> anyone played with software raid?
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23:26 < _cheerios> seems i managed to kill one of the drives while setting up mdadm. my luck.
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01:15 < MugeSo> Huomenta
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01:18 < MugeSo> Wombert: Why are you waking? :p I think it's early morning in your country.
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01:20 < E_mE_> MugeSo: your from tokyo or so aint you?
01:20 < MugeSo> E_mE_: yes
01:20 < impl> MugeSo: he's got a flight to London today
01:21 < MugeSo> impl: OIC
01:21 < E_mE_> I would love to visit Japan, could you at some point in the future give me some recommendation on where is fairly cheap to stay and so?
01:22 < E_mE_> As i know hardly anything, besides the obsession of fish :)
01:22 < MugeSo> ahh
01:23 < E_mE_> That okay with you MugeSo ?
01:24 < MugeSo> I've never travel　to Tokyo :D
01:24 < MugeSo> so,
01:24 < MugeSo> I do not know where is suite for you :<
01:24 < E_mE_> Well doesn't nessarily need to be Tokyo, just any anywhere interesting :)
01:25 < E_mE_> Fish + Place Too Sleep + Culture = Success
01:25 < impl> lawl
01:26 < E_mE_> MugeSo: I'll nudge you closer to the time if it happens :)
01:27 < Wombert> MugeSo: it's 2:30am :)
01:27 < Wombert> I need to go to bed
01:27 < Wombert> then pack
01:27 < Wombert> then office
01:27 < Wombert> then flight
01:27 < Wombert> then meeting
01:27 < impl> wat time is your flight
01:27 < Wombert> afternoon
01:27 < Wombert> 1500 or so
01:27 < Wombert> 1515
01:27 < impl> ah
01:27 < impl> did you get tickets yet?
01:27 < E_mE_> wimp =P
01:27 < Wombert> I did check in online
01:27 < impl> no I mean for barcamp
01:27 < Wombert> and used an email address that doesnt exist for boarding pass, #fail
01:27 < Wombert> oh
01:27 < Wombert> no
01:27 < Wombert> :)
01:27 < impl> :x
01:28 < Wombert> alex has one for me apparently
01:28 < Wombert> we'll see
01:28 < E_mE_> anyway, night guys
01:28 < Wombert> bai E_mE 
01:28 < impl> E_mE_: night
01:28 < impl> Wombert: So you're pretty much just looking for an excuse to go to London, right? :P
01:29 < Wombert> nah I actually have a bisnes appointment :)
01:29 < Wombert> plus free barcamp ticket
01:29 < Wombert> plus free stay @ alex' place
01:29 < Wombert> so
01:29 < impl> ohkay :P
01:29 < Wombert> quite the bargain
01:29 < impl> indeed
01:29 < Wombert> I'll do an agavi talk, too
01:29 < Wombert> and maybe another
01:29 < Wombert> like
01:29 < Wombert> hm
01:29 < Wombert> dunno yet
01:29 < Wombert> :>
01:29 < Wombert> something on rest and how to design urls that don't suck
01:29 < MugeSo> Wombert: it's tooooo late!
01:29 < Wombert> that'd be a good start
01:29 < Wombert> MugeSo: yes, I know
01:29 < impl> how is your knowledge of data structures, Wombert 
01:30 < impl> 'cause PHP has got these now: http://us.php.net/manual/en/spl.datastructures.php
01:30 < impl> and I haven't seen a single person mention them or talk about them anywhere yet
01:30 < Wombert> I just set up twitterfeed.com to syndicate ohloh and the blog to twitter
01:30 < Wombert> impl: actually, I have duplicated the prio queue for a project
01:30 < Wombert> but we'll move to 5.3 there which is good
01:30 < Wombert> impl: I'll cover that in my ipc spring talk, too
01:30 < impl> ah, cool
01:30 < Wombert> the Almost Pythonic one
01:31 < Wombert> but I don't think I can do that one at barcamp
01:31 < impl> well Python doesn't really have these either :P
01:31 < Wombert> requires more preparation
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01:31 < MugeSo> E_mE_: regarding fish, Tsukiji is best place!
01:31 < impl> yeah
01:31 < impl> MugeSo: btw, I had a look through your Agavi talk
01:31 < impl> nice slides (the ones with pictures anyway)
01:31 < impl> :P
01:32 < MugeSo> impl: thanks :D
01:33 < Wombert> and yes true, impl 
01:33 < Wombert> but
01:33 < Wombert> http://www.php.net/~helly/php/ext/spl/classCallbackFilterIterator.html
01:33 < Wombert> will be fun, for instance
01:34 < Wombert> now
01:34 < Wombert> bai
01:35 < MugeSo> good night, Wombert
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04:49 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:07 < MugeSo> huomenta v-dogg
05:15 < v-dogg> how's it going?
05:38 < horros> Huomenta
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08:12 < _cheerios> ah, hd changes. can try software raid again..
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08:25 < _cheerios> [>....................]  resync =  1.2% (8822848/730467392) finish=194.1min speed=61936K/sec
08:25 < _cheerios> whee, try #2
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08:43 < E_mE> huomenta
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08:51 < MugeSo> E_mE: If you like fish, I recommend you Tsukiji. That is the most famous marketplace.
08:51 < E_mE> ja I'm just looking at it now, though can you eat fish there or rather look at fish?
08:51 < E_mE> can you walk around the place freely?
08:52 < MugeSo> you can eat fish.
08:52 < E_mE> man that would be so good, you ever tried Fugu?
08:53 < graste_> huomenta
08:53 < MugeSo> because it is a market for trader, you could't walk around there freely. :(
08:54 < E_mE> MugeSo: I honestly don't know if thats stupid question for a japanese person to whether they have eatten Fugu or not hehe
08:54  * impl was waiting for someone to bring that up
08:54 < MugeSo> Yeah, I've ate fuge.
08:54 < impl> Is it good?
08:55 < MugeSo> E_mE: not so stupid! it's very expensive!!
08:55 < E_mE> I hear its very nice, apparently a fairly ceremonial past time
08:55 < MugeSo> It's good :D
08:55 < E_mE> Ja, I hear like $2-300 for one meal or so
08:55 < horros> $2 for a meal isn't that bad.
08:55 < horros> hahahaha!
08:56 < E_mE> hahahah
08:56 < horros> <- comedian
08:56 < MugeSo> lol
08:56 < E_mE> horros: you should go on the Edinbough circuit ;)
08:56 < horros> And what would I do there?
08:56 < horros> If there's no beer involved, I'm not interested!
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08:57 < E_mE> Well there is a yearly Comedy festival in Edinbough in August, which last for a month
08:57 < horros> I see.
08:57 < horros> Is there beer involved?
08:57 < MugeSo> E_mE: If you want to eat fugu, Shimonoseki is famous place in japan . but there is very far from Tokyo.
08:57 < E_mE> where the countries  (may some of the worlds) most famous comedians gather... There is lots of beer, its in scotland =P
08:58 < horros> Brilliant!
08:59 < E_mE> MugeSo: I watched a great documentary few days ago about the obsession with Fish in Japan, and they travelled all over Japan, even featured Fermented Sushi which really looked quite disturbing
09:00 < E_mE> Which really makes me want t visit :D 
09:00 < MugeSo> horrors: beer is also popular in japan ;) we say "toriaezu bi-iru" mean "First of all, beer!" :D
09:01 < E_mE> Yes I've heard that Japanese big business executives like to get little drunk each evening =P
09:01 < horros> That's what I said when me, ttj and Wombert arrived in Turku.
09:03 < MugeSo> E_mE: Ahh, you mean "Nare-zushi" right?
09:04 < E_mE> Not sure, but they ferment it fro 6 months in rice
09:04 < E_mE> for*
09:05 < MugeSo> probably that's Nare-zushi.
09:05 < MugeSo> I've never ate it yet.
09:05 < E_mE> From the looks of it, doesn't look too nice to eat :S
09:06 < _cheerios> a nice sushi plate is like 30e in kamppi (local mall). gaaa!! stop talking about sushi :p
09:06 < E_mE> I think i could live on sushi _cheerios  ;D
09:07 < MugeSo> hahaha!
09:07 < E_mE> One of my favorite dishes i've had was this fishy tasting sea weed
09:08 < E_mE> quite crunching but yet still quite sloppy if you get me?
09:08 < E_mE> quite water texture
09:08 < E_mE> but man i could of eatten plate fulls :P
09:08 < impl> _cheerios: http://www.sushithaicary.com/images/pic8.jpg
09:08 < impl> see at the very end of the bar, at the top, the boat
09:08 < impl> you can get sushi served in that :D
09:09 < _cheerios> heh, nice touch
09:10 < impl> yeah, it's like $70 though :<
09:11 < _cheerios> what's with the cat? http://www.ichiban.fi/ also featured in the kamppi sushi place
09:12 < MugeSo> we eat $7 shushi in plastic box instead of boat :)
09:12 < E_mE> Thought the cat is more a Chinses tradition actually?
09:12 < MugeSo> s/shushi/sushi/
09:12 < impl> MugeSo: Americans like to pretend we're going to exotic foreign places when we eat out, so we make it all fancy :D
09:13 < E_mE> thats because your all to lazy to walk to the passport office =P haha
09:13 < E_mE> even drives ...  awaits attacks
09:13 < impl> Passport offices are in our post offices :P
09:14 < MugeSo> the cat is called MANEKI NEKO.
09:14 < impl> What does he represent?
09:15  * E_mE was wrong, appologies
09:15 < _cheerios> cool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneki_Neko
09:15 < MugeSo> prosperous business 
09:16 < MugeSo> it's nice ;)
09:17 < E_mE> eheheheh: A Maneki Neko in Tokyo, Japan beckons customers to buy lottery tickets.
09:17 < E_mE> the business of buying lottery tickets =P
09:19 < E_mE> This guy looks a little scary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-legged_money_frog
09:24 < MugeSo> yeah, maneki neko is more cute than that :D
09:25 < MugeSo> now, I'll leave office
09:25 < MugeSo> bai
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09:36 < fnordfish> huomenta
09:38 < graste_> moin ;)
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09:42 < reza> Huomenta ;) 
09:42 < reza> hi every body 
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09:42 < reza> i download the tuturial pdf 
09:42 < impl> we have a PDF?
09:43 < impl> shit, I need to review the tutorial
09:43 < impl> I totally forgot about that
09:43 < impl> fucking. memory.
09:43 < reza> tutorial 2009-03-24.pdf
09:43 < reza> i have question 
09:43 < impl> Where did you get that from?
09:43 < reza> on page 32
09:44 < reza> wfrom this link
09:44 < reza> http://trac.agavi.org/attachment/ticket/1063/tutorial%202009-03-24.pdf
09:44 < impl> oh, it's on the ticket
09:44 < impl> got it, thanks
09:44 < reza> i have a question on page 32
09:44 < reza> app/modules/Posts/lib/validator/PostValidator.class.php.
09:45 < reza> this file didnot exist
09:45 < reza> but validate folder and xml file exist
09:45 < reza> and work fine
09:45 < impl> You need to create it
09:45 < reza> ok i will 
09:46 < impl> Crap, there's a lot of code in there that's not in code blocks correctly.
09:46 < reza> is there any command in agavi 
09:46 < impl> No, not to create a validator. At least not right now.
09:46 < reza> i found agavi very very  fantastic , 
09:47 < reza> ;-)
09:47 < impl> Thanks :)
09:47 < graste_> btw
09:47 < graste_> there's a newer PDF
09:47 < graste_> http://trac.agavi.org/attachment/ticket/1063/tutorial-03-25-1800.pdf
09:47 < graste_> reza
09:47 < graste_> it's work in progress
09:47 < graste_> :)
09:47 < reza> thank you graste
09:48 < impl> We definitely need to get the PDF page numbers and the page numbers on each page to line up.
09:48 < impl> That will bother the hell out of me. :>
09:48 < graste_> and if you're interested have a look here: http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html
09:49 < graste_> IRC logs are valuable as a source of information as well as long as the tutorial is not yet finished :)
09:49 < reza> wow
09:49 < reza> fantastic
09:50 < reza> surly i will
09:50 < reza> is ther any update on http://www.agavi.org/apidocs/
09:50 < reza> ?
09:50  * graste_ doesn't know :)
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09:50 < impl> No, but there will be soon
09:50 < impl> (fuck, I need to work on that too)
09:51 < reza> in this manner i think agavi become the populest framework for php
09:52 < reza> ;-)
09:52 < graste> :>
09:53 < reza> i want to be thankfull for your support 
09:53 < reza> :)
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10:15 < benschi> huomenta
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10:53 < Xylakant> huomenta
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11:29 < E_mE> Xylakant: would you say that any core concept of agavi can easily be replaced or extended? so e.g. the routing or the configuration system?
11:29 < E_mE> maybe not easily as such, but the possibilities are there
11:30 < E_mE> I'm just updating the facebook agavi group, which was VERY out of date
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11:46 < _cheerios> its military-grade extensible with cream and a cherry on top
11:49 < E_mE> people have successfully created Facebook applications in Agavi Correct?
11:49 < horros> I'm working on it.
11:50 < E_mE> Okay, there is a question in top board in the agavi group hehe
11:50 < horros> Pardon?
11:50 < E_mE> Not sure if this is the best place for this post but I can't find anywhere else. Has anyone managed to create a PHP Facebook application, written within the Agavi framework?
11:50 < E_mE> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
11:50 < E_mE> Thanks
11:50 < E_mE> Rob
11:50 < graste> it's pretty easy to exchange specific parts of agavi in factories.xml - either with completely new classes or just extended versions of the existing ones
11:50 < graste> I'd say
11:51 < E_mE> horros: whats your application going to do, rape FB'ers ;D
11:52 < horros> I can't say at the moment, I'm afraid.
11:52 < E_mE> np :)
11:52 < graste> my guess: world domination
11:54 < E_mE> firing sushi from each canon ;)
11:55 < graste> :>
11:55 < Xylakant> E_mE: you can swap out some of the internal components, but I'd not say that it's easy in all cases
11:55 < impl> y'all crazy
11:55 < Xylakant> replacing the controller or context is possible
11:55 < Xylakant> but it takes some work
11:56 < Xylakant> anyways, off for lunch
11:56 < E_mE> okay, i just updated the FB group description to say it was possible
11:56 < E_mE> didnt state it was easy though :)
11:56 < graste> ^^
12:01 < _cheerios> good consultant answer
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13:02 < benschi> yeah formel 1 2nd Free Training :)
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13:46 < CIA-57> felix * r4010 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/topics/tutorial/step4/introduction.dita: linked the arcsin templates, refs #1063
13:46 < CIA-57> felix * r4011 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/topics/tutorial/step6/introduction.dita: shortened headline to fit the navigation
13:47 < _cheerios> williams, brawn, toyota? interesting f1 season ahead :)
13:47 < CIA-57> felix * r4012 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/build.sh: changed some output to be clearer, refs #1063
13:54 < benschi> all cars look kinda wired. The front wings really look like harvesters
13:54 < benschi> *make them
13:57 < asonge> Wombert: i heard you knew how to fix libxml on osx :)
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14:02 < benschi> asonge: http://www.boerngen-schmidt.de/2008/12/php-53-mit-neusten-libxml-libxslt-unter-os-x/ maybe this could help ya
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14:09 < asonge> benschi: i do not speak german :/
14:10 < benschi> asonge: what I did to get php running with the latest libxml was
14:10 < benschi> compile libxml, change the dynamic links on the php binary
14:11 < benschi> I was not sure how to tell the compiler to use the /usr/local/include before the standart dirs
14:12 < asonge> well, the problem here is i linked against a copy in /opt/local (from macports)...but apxs freaked out because its libxml conflicted.
14:12 < asonge> also, after that, i fucked up osx real bad by replacing its libxml
14:13 < asonge> this did many bad things.
14:13 < asonge> now, i'm tring to fix that first
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14:18 < benschi> ohw sorry donno. I have read how to fix it someplace
14:18 < benschi> but i cannot find it right now
14:19 < asonge> i read how to fix it before i fucked it up
14:19 < asonge> and i can't find where it was
14:21 < benschi> maye downloading it from the official libxml page and reinstalling might help?
14:21 < benschi> but i guess you already tried that
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14:25 < benschi> asonge: think it was this page http://jamesclarke.info/notes/libxml2/
14:25 < _cheerios> hahaa, my fat ass made it to the herald tribune
14:28 < horros> wut?
14:29 < horros> _cheerios: Was the Herald Tribune at the Nikula-seminar?
14:29 < horros> ;)
14:29 < asonge> benschi: it was, i'm getting libxml from my coworkers machine now
14:30 < asonge> benschi: once she figures out how to copy/paste without somehow losing her finder window.
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14:30 < _cheerios> heh. yesterdays herald tribune it seems.
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17:19 < _cheerios> jee
17:21 < _cheerios> pretty sad. servers commodity hdd, in raid-mode, is slower than my hdd at home.
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17:24 < asonge> so i fix my libxml stuff in osx (mostly) and iconv breaks.
17:25 < saracen_> you're not fixing hard enough!
17:25 < asonge> why do people say osx is so easy to dev on?
17:25 < asonge> is it because it's unix with photoshop capabilities?
17:25 < asonge> because i remember being on ubuntu was easier
17:26 < asonge> also didn't have to remap home/end/pgup/pgdown and variants thereof
17:26 < saracen_> I've never heard anybody say that. Unless they were talking about TextMate, which I have no clue about. But it can't be *that* good.
17:27 < asonge> textmate is pretty nice
17:27 < saracen_> I just hear all the time its good for graphic design, and music composing
17:27 < asonge> i've used osx in a previous life and textmate bundles are so easy to make
17:27 < fnordfish> bye
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17:27 < saracen_> But is it really all that and a bag of chips, compared to other editors?
17:28 < asonge> it took me a few hours to learn their bundle system and make a bundle where you could rsync with a scroll bar (with %'s!) when you wanted to upload (command+shift+U)
17:28 < asonge> saracen_: put it this way: i'd start any project in textmate...then commit the code skeleton
17:28 < asonge> then co into eclipse+pdt or another IDE for managing
17:29 < asonge> it basically replaces what i use vim for
17:29 < asonge> oh god dammit, it's still fucking broken
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17:32 < Xylakant> asonge: why do you want to update libxml?
17:32 < Xylakant> don't you use a ports install of php?
17:33 < asonge> Xylakant: was just compiling php by hand
17:33 < Xylakant> sudo port install php5 works like a charm
17:33 < asonge> how quick is it to update?
17:33 < Xylakant> yes, but why in heavens name?
17:33 < asonge> because i compile php by hand everywhere else except windows is why.
17:33 < Xylakant> what do you mean by "update"?
17:34 < asonge> i often run patches on php and build experimental extensions and such
17:34 < Xylakant> well, if you feel like compiling php by hand then you could still install the libs via macports
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17:34 < asonge> osx is so broken under the pretty bits
17:34 < Xylakant> well, mine works like a charm
17:35 < asonge> because you never run patches or php5.3 snaps
17:35 < Xylakant> oh yes, i do
17:35 < asonge> they have snaps in macports?
17:35 < Xylakant> i just don't run around and build all libs myself
17:36 < asonge> well, it's the osx ones that are getting found first, so my macports versions don't work
17:36 < Xylakant> php5-devel @5.3.0alpha3 (www, lang, php)
17:36 < Xylakant>     PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor
17:36 < Xylakant> well well
17:36 < Xylakant> build php 5.3.0 alpha from macports
17:36 < Xylakant> download source
17:36 < Xylakant> use the configure line from the macports version
17:36 < asonge> 5.3 is out of alpha and it's in rc1, i thought
17:36 < Xylakant> done
17:37 < Xylakant> the 5.3 macports build will pull and install all libs and dependencies
17:37 < Xylakant> and the configure line is so that it picks up the libs from macports
17:37 < asonge> will it link against the apxs i compiled myself?
17:38 < asonge> erm, the apxs for the apache2 i compiled myself
17:38 < Xylakant> did you install apache on your own as well?
17:38 < asonge> yep
17:38 < asonge> that's working fine
17:38 < Xylakant> you can certainly feed that somehow
17:38 < Xylakant> at least when you're doing your own build
17:39 < Xylakant> though I haven't tried that yet
17:39 < asonge> if i ever do this again, i'm doing more in macports
17:39 < Xylakant> I use lighty from macports
17:39 < asonge> yeah, good choice :)
17:39 < asonge> i usually go lighttpd, but i've got a couple things that depend on apache2 oddities
17:39 < asonge> oh god, --with-iconv worked
17:40 < asonge> --with-iconv=/path/to/iconv *and* --with-iconv-dir=/path/to/iconv
17:42 < Xylakant> well, but the macos apache is just fine
17:52 < CIA-57> felix * r4013 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/ (build.sh postprocess-website.sh): build scripts now take the resources directory into account
17:59 < asonge> i defeated it.
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19:07 < CIA-57> felix * r4015 /documentation/branches/felix-tutorial-app-rewrite/topics/tutorial/ (8 files in 7 dirs): linked the resources and the staging apps, refs #1063
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19:14 < kassens> do i need to validate parameters from the routing?
19:22 < v-dogg> yes
19:22 < kassens> humm, ok
19:23 < kassens> v-dogg: whats with values exported from routing validators? (f.e. i export a BlogPostModel in the routing?)
19:24 < Xylakant> why would you export a blogPostModel in the routing?
19:25 < Xylakant> and how would you do that?
19:26 < kassens> Xylakant: for example a string instead of the database id
19:26 < kassens> i.e. myblog.com/posts/agavi-rocks
19:26 < Xylakant> but that's still not a model
19:26 < Xylakant> you just changed the identifier you're using in the url
19:26 < kassens> its possible to define a routing validator that loads the model from the database and set it, or doesnt match the route 
19:27 < Xylakant> well, that's no validator then
19:27 < Xylakant> it's a callback
19:27 < Xylakant> and no, don't do that
19:27 < Xylakant> bad idea, really
19:27 < kassens> right, i wasnt sure about the name
19:27 < kassens> but, yeah it was a AgaviRoutingCallback i think
19:27 < v-dogg> the correct way is to do it in a validator
19:28 < Xylakant> the problem is if you do it in the routingCallback you'd still have to validate it
19:28 < Xylakant> and you'll break any interface that does not use urls
19:28 < Xylakant> so passing the identifier via post will break
19:28 < Xylakant> you can't add a soap/xml-rpc/json-rpc interface
19:28 < Xylakant> you can't add console jobs 
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19:31 < Xylakant> no reason to run away...
19:39 < Xylakant> phew, new guide is online
19:39 < Xylakant> http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/introduction.html
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19:54 < Xylakant> cu all, have a nice weekend+
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21:54 < digitarald> guide should have a changelog ;)
22:29 < _cheerios> i don't know how i manage this, but i never get agavi loggin' to work when i need it
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23:10 < _cheerios> i found yet another php framework from slashdot comments http://www.phpulse.com/
23:11 < _cheerios> looks pretty scary
23:17 < Ox40> looks more like a CMS
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23:26 < _cheerios> "Perhaps soon there will be a study to determine that vegetables feel pain as well, then all of the vegans will only be allowed to eat rocks."
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01:56 < asonge> is there any "agavi way" to use a "helper" func across templates?
01:56 < asonge> for example, i need to format phone numbers (US only for now, so hooray NANPA)...i've got the func, but dunno where would be a good spot to put it
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05:00 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:01 < impl> Morning
05:01 < v-dogg> asonge: extend renderer and auto-assign yuor template helper class
05:02 < asonge> v-dogg: that's what i ended up doing
05:02 < v-dogg> good lad
05:02 < v-dogg> ;)
06:37 < horros> Huomenta.
06:40 < v-dogg> victory!!!11 \o/
06:48 < v-dogg> resolution:  => fixed
06:48 < v-dogg> times 2
06:48 < v-dogg> *satisfaction*
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07:08 < horros> Nice time trial in F1
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10:38 < graste> huomenta
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11:03 < twenty-three> huomenta
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11:18 < marioprudhomme> How do you guys deal with dynamic-data partial templates?
11:19 < marioprudhomme> for example, a "You have 8 items in your cart" bar
11:19 < marioprudhomme> without repeating the code in every controller to fetch all the cart info
11:20 < Rayne> marioprudhomme, slots?
11:21 < marioprudhomme> where would the cart info fetching take place?
11:21 < impl> In the slot action
11:22 < impl> action/view
11:22 < marioprudhomme> hmm, lemme read on that, sec, thanks btw
11:22 < impl> you can cache it pretty easily
11:23 < marioprudhomme> oh yea, cachings not the problem, i was more asking about strategy
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11:25 < marioprudhomme> Slots are a named placeholder in your template that's tied to the result of a specific action execution
11:25 < marioprudhomme> making sense now
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11:26 < impl> yeah
11:26 < impl> :D
11:33 < horros> brilliant sports weekend \o/
11:33 < horros> today was f1 time trials, at 17:00 finland - wales football, tomorrow f1 australian gp!
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11:42 < marioprudhomme> hmm, f1 has started again?
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12:10 < horros> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNfVv_S22-I
12:10 < horros> ahahahaahahah
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12:24 < _cheerios> huomenta
12:24 < horros> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt_D6vAImOI&feature=related
12:24 < horros> hahaha
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12:27 < _cheerios> ho ho ho
12:28 < _cheerios> barcamp helsinki @ 4.4 (saturday 10:00 - 18:00)
12:32 < _cheerios> goin' just to see the Fjord offices :)
12:32 < _cheerios> more from http://www.arcticstartup.com/2009/03/27/event-roundup-seedcamp-barcamp-and-arcticevening-coming-up/
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13:06 < _cheerios> no more BSG :(
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15:32 < graste> http://www.pagetutor.com/trillion/index.html
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16:21 < _cheerios> there's no place like home. cleaning day \o/
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17:42 < Wombert> no
17:42 < Wombert> m
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17:53 < v-dogg> om nom
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17:59 < _cheerios> impl: "He brings up a good point in regards to the current docs implementation that the version number that the docs are made for should be made very visible on every documentation page." << replied this here instead
18:00 < _cheerios> (re: someone applying the docs to 0.11)
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18:21 < impl> _cheerios: yes, I agree
18:33 < horros> FINLAND - WALES: 2 - 0 !!!!
18:33 < horros> \o/
18:36 < _cheerios> we are the winners!
18:36 < _cheerios> gaa!! 3hrs and still cleaning
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19:13 < _cheerios> buying beer increases odds of drinking beer
19:16 < horros> It does, doesn't it?
19:23 < v-dogg> in what sport did we beat waled?
19:23 < v-dogg> curling?
19:23 < v-dogg> wales, even
19:24 < horros> Football!
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19:25 < v-dogg> oh that :)
19:34  * _cheerios is done with cleaning. bleargh.
19:41  * horros is off back to the boozers
19:41 < horros> dear lord I'm going to be hung over tomorrow
19:41 < horros> started drinking lagers after missus left around noon :x
19:42 < graste> :)
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22:07 < _cheerios> good god!
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22:14 < [CycLoNe]> hi, i'm going through the agavi tutorial i have a problem in step "Creating a new action"
22:15 < [CycLoNe]> when i write the new route into the routing.xml i can´t access /show, i get a 404
22:15 < [CycLoNe]> anyone, who can help me?
22:16 < Rayne> [CycLoNe], paste route
22:16 < [CycLoNe]> <route name="post" pattern="^/post$" module="Posts" action="Post.Show" />
22:16 < Rayne> this is'nt your show route
22:17 < Rayne> if you copied this snippet: change the name attribute
22:17 < [CycLoNe]> to what?
22:18 < Rayne> to "my-cool-show-route-rocks-ass"
22:18 < graste> you should access "/post"
22:18 < [CycLoNe]> k
22:18 < [CycLoNe]> doesn´t work
22:18 < graste> not "/show"
22:18 < graste> as your route says
22:18 < [CycLoNe]> i copied it directly from the tutorial
22:19 < Rayne> i think the copied the route and updated it correct (but forgot the name)
22:19 < [CycLoNe]> you mean the regex?
22:19 < Rayne> s/the/he
22:19 < graste> either an error in the tutorial or it will be corrected a few sentences later
22:19 < graste> didn't read it wholly :)
22:19 < Rayne> show us your whole routes configuration and the url you want to access [CycLoNe] 
22:21 < [CycLoNe]> http://pastie.org/430124 <- routing.xml
22:21 < [CycLoNe]> i want to access the url: http://localhost/agblog/pub/show
22:22 < graste> but your route says: "^/post$"
22:22 < [CycLoNe]> ah no
22:22 < Rayne> [CycLoNe], eh... update the route
22:22 < [CycLoNe]> ja
22:22 < [CycLoNe]> ehm
22:22 < [CycLoNe]> post doesn`t work either
22:22 < Rayne> pattern="^/show
22:22 < [CycLoNe]> show was just a try
22:22 < Rayne> then update the validation configuration or disable it for the action
22:22 < Rayne> module/$module/validate/Action.xml
22:23 < Rayne> ah, this post you mean
22:23 < Rayne> hm
22:23 < Rayne> weird
22:24 < graste> ?
22:24 < Rayne> the action file Post.Show does exist [CycLoNe] ?
22:25 < [CycLoNe]> actions/Post/ShowAction.class exists
22:25 < Rayne> why is there a dot inside the action parameter?
22:25 < [CycLoNe]> created by action-wiz
22:25 < [CycLoNe]> to make clear its a sub action
22:25 < graste> app/modules/Posts/actions/Post/ShowAction.class.php - classname should be Posts_Post_ShowAction I think
22:26 < [CycLoNe]> what would name the index action then?
22:27 < [CycLoNe]> the index action works
22:27 < [CycLoNe]> located as /Posts/actions/IndexAction.class
22:27 < Rayne> look up... settings.xml i think
22:27 < graste> dunno your settings.xml
22:28 < graste> put the post route before index and try again, as I don't get what your problem is :)
22:28 < Rayne> this %foo.bar% is only a variable
22:29 < [CycLoNe]> http://pastie.org/430127
22:29 < Rayne> [CycLoNe], did you rename your action's file as graste said? if not remove for testing the dot inside the action parameter
22:29 < [CycLoNe]> settings.xml
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22:30 < graste> (23:27:30) [CycLoNe]: located as /Posts/actions/IndexAction.class
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22:30 < graste> should be okay
22:30 < [CycLoNe]> removing the dot, doesn´t work
22:31 < graste> no, the dot is okay
22:31 < [CycLoNe]> putting the new route before the index route, neither
22:31 < graste> hm
22:32 < graste> are you reaching your Post/ShowAction? did you try to put a die() in it?
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22:32 < [CycLoNe]> no, where should i put it?
22:33 < graste> how does your action look like? :)
22:33 < graste> pout it in execute or getDefaultViewName
22:33 < graste> whatever fits yourself
22:33 < Rayne> [CycLoNe], if you want after <?php
22:33 < [CycLoNe]> it has a describing comment
22:33 < graste> or try to remove the content of the files and see if all crashes =)
22:33 < [CycLoNe]> then function getDefaultViewName()
22:34 < [CycLoNe]> which returns 'success'
22:34 < [CycLoNe]> no, doesn't seem to reach the showaction
22:36 < Rayne> hm
22:39 < graste> what tutorial do you read?
22:39 < graste> the online HTML one? or one of the PDFs?
22:39 < [CycLoNe]> the won´t be a rewrite rule in the .htaccess, right?
22:39 < [CycLoNe]> html one
22:40 < graste> usually there should be rewrite rules
22:40 < graste> otherwise your URL looks like pub/index.php...
22:41 < Rayne> only when you told agavi to crate one
22:41 < Rayne> or did this change in 1.0.1?
22:41 < graste> dunno
22:41 < graste> never used it :P
22:41 < [CycLoNe]> automatically written when changing or calling routing.xml?
22:41 < Rayne> i rememeber that i asked me to genereate an htaccess file
22:41 < Rayne> doh, i should write slower
22:41 < [CycLoNe]> wll, the tutorial didn´t explicitely tell me to say yes on creating .htaccess
22:43 < [CycLoNe]> and no, there doesn´t even exist a .htaccess wihtin /pub/
22:43 < Rayne> [CycLoNe], create a second project which will create you a sample htaccess
22:43 < [CycLoNe]> k
22:44 < graste> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/pub/_.htaccess
22:46 < graste> index.php/post should work without the htaccess
22:47 < Rayne> not index.php?/post ?
22:47 < graste> yeah
22:50 < [CycLoNe]> yeah, this works
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22:52 < [CycLoNe]> thx so far, i'm trying now with .htaccess enabled
22:52 < graste> good luck
22:52 < graste> :)
22:53 < Rayne> you're welcome
23:07 < [CycLoNe]> i'll go on tomorrow, thx 4 ur help :)
23:07 < [CycLoNe]> nn
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06:00 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:06 < _cheerios> huomenta
07:15 < _cheerios> raikkonen wtf :<
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07:30 < _cheerios> disappointing end of race for rosberg with those supaslicks
07:31 < macen> jenson button
07:31 < macen> wow
07:31 < macen> jenson in hamilton out
07:31 < macen> kek
07:31 < _cheerios> kubica lol
07:31 < _cheerios> what a finish!
07:36 < _cheerios> hamilton so lucky
07:36 < _cheerios> to get any points in this race
07:38 < _cheerios> still wondering how räikkönen managed to spin, bleh :<
07:43 < macen> he was third then went back to 4th
07:43 < macen> safety car was out how can that work
07:43 < macen> ehk
07:43 < macen> w/e pretty good for F1
07:44 < _cheerios> neither ferrari nor mclaren up there, yeah, change.
07:47 < macen> amazing
07:48 < macen> british driver second career win fist drive for new team's first ever drive
07:48 < macen> liek whaa
07:49 < macen> they say the team is only 3 week old
07:49 < macen> wtf
07:49 < macen> too early here for this level of change!
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07:51 < macen> _cheerios: who your driver??
07:51 < _cheerios> my driver? i'll root for räikkönen
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08:43 < macen> what do you call a Web site that is built for browsers without JavaScript
08:43 < macen> when the existing site has JavaScript
08:43 < macen> eg 'text-only' mode
08:44 < macen> 'no-JavaScript' mode 
08:44 < macen> but leymans term?
08:44 < macen> plain HTML mode?
08:47 < macen> 	Support for access to all features without JavaScript
08:47 < macen> would be the blunt message
08:48 < macen> 	Plain HTML availability for access to all features without JavaScript
08:49 < macen> bah blunt is best :>
09:35 < nfq> awesome race I say
09:35 < nfq> so glad for jenson
09:35 < nfq> and it's good ham and massa aren't killing it
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11:47 < _cheerios> one can really find themselves in a dead-end performance wise with a huge array and an array_search combination. :)
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16:03 < Rendez> hi
16:04 < Rendez> anyone using entropy package too
16:04 < Rendez> is getting this with "agavi" cmd?
16:04 < Rendez> PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: pdf: Unable to initialize module
16:04 < benschi> Rendez: seems like a PHP Problem
16:05 < Rendez> I know
16:05 < benschi> okay :) Sorry then. 
16:05 < Rendez> I'm not an expert
16:06 < benschi> seems like php is trying to load the module pdf, but for some reason it won't work.
16:06 < benschi> Maybe a version conflict of the Module extension
16:09 < Rendez> yep
16:09 < Rendez> where would you find that module?
16:16 < benschi> on which OS are you?
16:18 < benschi> basicly php -i | grep -i extension_dir
16:19 < benschi> this is where the modules should be. With the entropy package it shoul be somewhere in /usr/local/php5/lib....
16:20 < benschi> oh btw. if you are on OS X Rendez and you run php in the Terminal.app the shipped PHP Version of OS X is used not the entropy one!
16:20 < Rendez> ah, good to know
16:21 < Rendez> how do I switch that?
16:29 < benschi> export PATH="/usr/local/php5/bin:".$PATH
16:29 < benschi> but the buils system should run fine with the shipped PHP Version
16:29 < benschi> guess there is something wrong in ya php.ini
16:30 < benschi> better check there
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17:07 < Rendez> benschi: thanks a lot
17:15 < benschi> no problem
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22:00 < Wombert> nom
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22:03 < E_mE> Wombert: you see any of protests in london?
22:04 < Wombert> no I didn't see anything of london this time except paddington station, earls court station and kings cross and the barcamp venue :)
22:04 < Wombert> plus heathrow but that doesn't count :)
22:04 < E_mE> Did your talk go well?
22:05 < Wombert> and alex' place, of course, which was nice
22:05 < Wombert> yeah
22:05 < Wombert> 10 people I think
22:05 < Wombert> or so
22:05 < Wombert> it was quite late in the evening
22:05 < Wombert> some people had left already
22:05 < Wombert> I need to rework my presentation entirelx
22:05 < Wombert> y
22:05 < E_mE> :/ well better to have 10 clever people then 100 stupid hehe
22:05 < Wombert> its too many bullet points
22:05 < Wombert> not enough
22:05 < Wombert> code
22:06 < E_mE> you got it hosted anywhere?
22:06 < Wombert> but frameworks are quite abstract and hard to convey isually
22:06 < Wombert> not yet, uploaded to slideshare
22:06 < Wombert> but it's been stuck in the queue for 26 or so hours now
22:06 < E_mE> ja, I guess there is so many possiblities and so much information to cover, guess a ~1 hour talk is very difficult to potray it
22:06 < Wombert> it was just 30 minutes
22:06 < Wombert> but still, it's hard to do visually
22:07 < Wombert> because it's nothing you can "touch"
22:07 < Wombert> the slides are basically the same as the london ones
22:07 < Wombert> w/o examples (did a live hands on this time) and w/o the mvc and framework intro
22:08 < E_mE> ah yes... maybe you should focus on unique and the aspects of agavi which make it power and unique over other systems ?
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22:08 < E_mE> but I saw the presentation quite a while ago now, so i'm probably talking crap
22:09 < E_mE> did anyone at the talk leave with Agavi in there future plans?
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22:18 < Wombert> I hope so :)
22:18 < Wombert> the cards are really always good to hand out
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