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05:19 < luke`> Huomenta and happy new year 2009
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08:51 < v-dogg> huomenta
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14:34 < Spica> Huomenta
14:45 < Seldaek> so how can I setTemplate('someothermodule', 'sometemplate') (this does not work, nor with an array) in my view?
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15:02 < v-dogg> Seldaek: hmm... I think this would work: $this->setDirectory(AgaviConfig::get('core.app_dir').'/modules/MyOtherModule/templates'); 
15:03 < v-dogg> $this->setTemplate('MyOther/Template') (resolves to '/modules/MyOtherModule/templates/MyOther/template.php')
15:03 < v-dogg> (the default template suffix is .php but can of course be changed)
15:05 < Seldaek> oook.. guess I'll copy paste the template :p
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15:06 < Seldaek> but thanks v-dogg 
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15:10 < _cheerios> huomenta
15:10 < _cheerios> my head :(
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17:22 < nfq> huomenta
17:22 < nfq> yo Wombert 
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17:56 < Spica> Is the complete source code for Bloggie available somewhere? Couldn't find a link in the tutorial.
17:58 < v-dogg> http://svn.agavi.org/documentation/trunk/stages/stage3/
17:59 < Spica> Bril. Thanks.
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23:12 < bobbytek> is there such things as flash messages in agavi?
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23:22 < bobbytek> huomenta
23:22 < bobbytek> how can I get the date 30 days from a unix time?
23:29 < trophaeum> 30days? 30days in future? history? other?
23:29 < bobbytek> from $created_date, which is a timestamp
23:30 < trophaeum> just add 30*86400 to it
23:30 < bobbytek> that's what I thought
23:30 < trophaeum> 86400 = secs in day
23:30 < bobbytek> cheers
23:30 < trophaeum> np
23:30 < bobbytek> was wondering if I could just use days
23:30 < bobbytek> like + 30 
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05:39 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:51 < _cheerios> huomenta
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10:44 < CIA-55> felix * r3451 /branches/1.0/src/vendor/: 
10:44 < CIA-55> fixed the phpunit external to point to the 3.4 alpha 1 release
10:44 < CIA-55> -refs #380
10:44 < CIA-55> felix * r3452 /branches/1.0/test/tests/unit/request/AgaviWebRequestDataHolderParameterTest.php: 
10:44 < CIA-55> fixes a notice
10:44 < CIA-55> - refs #308, #955
11:27 < Spica> Huomenta
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11:29 < Spica> I svned tags/1.0.0beta6/src to libs/agavi and tags/1.0.0beta6/bin to bin/agavi. I then modified AGAVI_SOURCE_DIRECTORY of bin/agavi/agavi-dist to point to ./libs/agavi. When I run ./bin/agavi I get the following error: Class 'OutputStream' not found in {path_to_my_project_directory}/libs/agavi/dbuils/agavi/script/agavi.php on line 43.
11:30 < Spica> What did I setup wrong?
11:30 < Spica> I presume it is attempting to open streams but cannot locate the class file.
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14:22 < bobbytek> huomenta
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14:29 < bobbytek> Happy New Years my fellow agavis
14:33 < bobbytek> Does agavi have flash messages?
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14:41 < CIA-55> felix * r3453 /branches/1.0/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
14:41 < CIA-55> - adds the possibility to bootstrap a different environment in isolated tests
14:41 < CIA-55> - refs #308, #380
14:43 < CIA-55> felix * r3454 /branches/1.0/src/testing/AgaviPhpUnitTestCase.class.php: comment block added
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15:07 < _cheerios> bobbytek, there's a Flash class, that can be found by searching on agavi's trac.
15:11 < bobbytek> oh nice
15:11 < bobbytek> thanks
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15:34 < v-dogg> but that class uses Storage directly so do not copy it directly
15:36 < digitarald> hey v-dogg, how is ADT going? any new fancy projects? ;)
15:36 < v-dogg> no, haven't had any time to work on it
15:37 < digitarald> just reinstalled my new laptop, I'll take a look at the current state later
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16:37 < _cheerios> jee
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20:26 < Spica> I svned tags/1.0.0beta6/src to libs/agavi and tags/1.0.0beta6/bin to bin/agavi. I then modified AGAVI_SOURCE_DIRECTORY of bin/agavi/agavi-dist to point to ./libs/agavi. When I run ./bin/agavi I get the following error: Class 'OutputStream' not found in {path_to_my_project_directory}/libs/agavi/dbuils/agavi/script/agavi.php on line 43.
20:27 < Spica> I have a stand-alone phing 2.3.3 installation in libs/phing
20:29 < Spica> As fas as I understand, it does include phing/Phing correctly because otherwise it would die on line 36 of agavi.php. Moreover, I edited phing/Phing.php by changing include_once('system.io.OutputStream.php') to require_once('system.io.OutputStream') but this did not change anything.
20:31 < _cheerios> does running "phing" alone work?
20:31 < Spica> phing -version gives me a sane output.
20:33 < Spica> I do have an older phing installed system-wide but it should not matter as long as I export a number of variables (PHP_COMMAND, PHING_HOME, PHP_CLASSPATH and PATH) according to my stand-alone installation.
20:35 < Spica> If I touch a build.xml and then run phing it again behaves reasonably by claiming that the build failed.
20:35 < Spica> So I think if works. But I am not an expert on any things PHP.
20:46 < bobbytek> Where can I set the session timeout time?
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21:02 < _cheerios> Spica, culprits seem to be that double install of yours, or bad paths for the phing script. Phing 2.3.3 works here OK (just installed -- tho setting up the script was a pain.. dunno why phing::listener::AnsiColorLogger didn't work, as it was the sample script on phing's site)
21:03 < Spica> _cheerios: Despite my variables it still includes files from the old, system-wide phing installation.
21:03 < Spica> I think I will attempt to tweak include paths next.
21:04 < Spica> Or then I shall write a new ebuild for Gentoo that uses a more recent version of phing.
21:05 < Spica> It appears that no one has upgraded the ebuild for over a year now.
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21:16 < v-dogg> bobbytek: <storage ...><ae:parameter name="session_cookie_lifetime">1800</ae:parameter>
21:16 < v-dogg> factories.xml
21:29 < Spica> _cheerios: You were right. It was due to my double install. I wrote a new ebuild for phing-2.3.3 and now a call to ./bin/agavi/agavi produces a nice status output.
21:29 < Spica> _cheerios: Thank you!
21:30 < Spica> Wonder if I should do some testing on this ebuild and send it to Gentoo...
21:31 < Spica> Yes, works like a charm. At least for now.
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22:04 < Spica> This new agavi utility script is neat.
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22:10 < DracoBlue> Hello!
22:10 < DracoBlue> I am currently diving into giving my agavi 1.0 app a xmlrpc api.
22:12 < DracoBlue> I already dispatch the correct context, added a validation file. But when adding the "parameter"-names in the validation XML-files, I don't get when agavi maps the ordered list of rpc parameters to parameter names?
22:12 < DracoBlue> Maybe I got something wrong with how xmlrpc and agavi or in general works :)
22:24 < Spica> _cheerios: (or someone else) the tutorial has a minor inconsitency with the database and user names on the configuring-example-application.html page: the names in the text do not match the names in the code snippet.
22:25 < _cheerios> spica: best bet to contact mikeseth/wombert/v-dogg
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22:31 < Spica> _cheerios: Will do that. I just did not know who to contact.
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23:16 < bobbytek> v-dogg: cheers!
23:16 < bobbytek> and happy new years to you ;)
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02:21 < Seldaek> anyone around?
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06:52 < hashZILLA> huomenta and happy new year
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07:35 < nuge> hi all, just got recommended to check out agavi, does agavi use propel/doctrine or either?  does it allow auto model generation by looking at previously setup database schema with foreign keys etc?  
07:43 < _cheerios> nuge, you can choose what orm to use with agavi.
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07:52 < Wombert> huomenta my friends
07:57 < nuge> cheerios, ok, but when doing 'agavi model-create' (as per http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/creating-models.html) i assume this is using agavi's own builtin orm ?
07:58 < impl> Wombert: You're up way too early
07:59 < _cheerios> nuge, no it's agavi's own models (MVC)
07:59 < _cheerios> huomenta wombert
08:24 < Wombert> impl: wat
08:24 < Wombert> lies
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08:37 < _cheerios> is wombert going to write his "seven things" too? this meme is everywhere now, atleast planet php.
08:38 < Wombert> sevenwhat?
08:38 < _cheerios> 7 things someone might not know about you
08:38 < Wombert> nah, can't be bothered
08:38 < Wombert> anything in particular you want to know? :P
08:39 < impl> _cheerios: ask him why he carries dish soap around with him
08:39 < _cheerios> whaat? :p
08:39 < Spica> Huomenta
08:41 < _cheerios> seems they have rules n all: 1) Link your original tagger(s), and list these rules on your blog. 2) Share seven facts about yourself in the post - some random, some weird. 3) Tag seven people at the end of your post by leaving their names and the links to their blogs. 4) Let them know they've been tagged by leaving a comment on their blogs and/or Twitter.
08:41 < _cheerios> that could go on for sometime...
08:42 < Wombert> nobody tagged me
08:42 < Wombert> I don't use fucking twitter (it can die)
08:42 < Wombert> and my blog doesn't have comments
08:42 < Wombert> :)
08:42 < Wombert> lucky me then
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08:57 < v-dogg> huomenta
09:05 < Wombert> huomenta v-dogg 
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09:53 < v-dogg> huh! -12C
09:53 < v-dogg> *brrrr* 
10:09 < _cheerios> time for a jog, eh, v-dogg?
10:20 < v-dogg> I've been sick since xmas so no thanks, I'll pass :)
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11:27 < _cheerios> well, perfect day for programming then -- almost done cleaning 2008 out.
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11:35 < v-dogg> http://journalspace.com/this_is_the_way_the_world_ends/not_with_a_bang_but_a_whimper.html
11:36 < v-dogg> six year and not a single backup? just a simple two-disk raid1?
11:37 < v-dogg> only one acronym describes my feelings - WTF?!
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13:05 < Spica> How can debug routes? I am going through the tutorial but for one reason or another my ShowPostSuccessView cannot get a value from $rd->getParameter('post_id').
13:07 < v-dogg> if you end up in ShowPostSuccessView your route is most likely ok
13:07 < v-dogg> missing parameters is usually caused by strict validation mode
13:08 < v-dogg> (the default validation mode nowadays)
13:08 < v-dogg> note that you have to validate route parameters too
13:09 < v-dogg> but to answer your original question - ADT is often helpful as you can see which routes matched, which action(s) was called and you can compare request data pre and post validation
13:15 < Spica> I end up with ShowPostSuccessView so that's okay then.
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13:16 < Spica> How do relax the validation mode?
13:17 < Spica> *do I
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13:25 < v-dogg> <ae:parameter name="mode">strict|conditional|relaxed</ae:parameter>
13:25 < v-dogg> factories.xml
13:25 < v-dogg> of course strict is the recommended mode as it's the most secure
13:30 < Spica> Thanks. I am just testing new Agavi so it doesn't really matter.
13:32 < Spica> However, assuming that I would write production code, does this strict validation mode mean that I will have to configure a validator for each and every input? Whether it is from the URL or from a form.
13:32 < Spica> Or what does the strict mode mean?
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13:49 < Wombert> yes Spica 
13:49 < Wombert> and you should do that
13:49 < Wombert> never trust user input :)
13:55 < Wombert> generateColumnPositionPredicateExpressionByHeadingName
13:55 < Wombert> mmm
13:55 < Wombert> gotta love long method names
13:55 < Wombert> :>
13:55 < Wombert> at least it's descriptive :ugly:
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15:04 < Simon_Holywell> hi.  I am having trouble with the views.  My template is not receiving the $template var - var_dump($template) is returning NULL
15:05 < DracoBlue> do you use agavi 1.0?
15:05 < DracoBlue> try $t instead.
15:05 < Simon_Holywell> yep i am on beta6 will try $t thanks
15:06 < Simon_Holywell> brilliant thanks its up and running
15:07 < DracoBlue> nice. have fun :)
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15:43 < Seldaek> Wombert: heya, I've a validator issue
15:57 < DracoBlue> btw. wombert or who has access to the agavi page, the website still says testing 1.0.0 beta 5 is the current one.
15:59 < Seldaek> ok here is my problem with a description and code: http://pastie.org/351590
15:59 < Seldaek> if anyone has a clue.. I'd be glad
16:02 < DracoBlue> just a guess: if you don't validate the password it variable it won't be exported, so not accessible for the equals validator, I guess thatswhy it is not called at all. You could add a second not-required-validator for password, accepting exactly the empty password. So it will be exported in the case its empty. 
16:03 < Seldaek> I tried that without success iirc
16:03 < Seldaek> what would you suggest as an empty validator, regex with ^$ ?
16:04 < DracoBlue> I am not that used to validators yet, would have tried a string validator with max and min =0, though :)
16:05 < DracoBlue> am not sure if the agavi validator order is important, but did you put the password=""-validator at the top of the .xml file? 
16:05 < Seldaek> I tried with isset with no luck
16:06 < DracoBlue> eh, actually isset means, is parameter given
16:06 < DracoBlue> and not if it contains any content
16:06 < graste> how about depends/provides? something like this: http://pastie.org/351592
16:06 < graste> did not try it
16:07 < Seldaek> with a regex match=true pattern=#^$# it fails if it's empty
16:07 < Seldaek> that's bullshit imo
16:08 < Seldaek> the only way around it is to do required="false" but then my equals check doesn't work anymore
16:10 < DracoBlue> What about XOR and two validators then? One for the case the password is empty, and one for the case the password has at least 4 characters and equals password2?
16:11 < Seldaek> but it's impossible to validate that something is empty 
16:12 < Seldaek> I didn't manage that so far except with required="false"
16:12 < Seldaek> but taht creates other issues
16:12 < DracoBlue> yep, one second :)
16:12 < DracoBlue> *testingÜ
16:12 < Seldaek> Wombert: !:)
16:13 < DracoBlue> seldaek: equals "" ? :)
16:14 < Seldaek> it does not call the validator if it's empty that's the whole issue
16:15 < Wombert> the first validator needs provides="password_valid"
16:15 < Seldaek> it throws the error
16:15 < Seldaek> even though it's freakin' valid
16:15 < Wombert> the second needs depends="password_valid"
16:15 < Seldaek> and I have a die() in the validator, it's not called
16:15 < Seldaek> hm
16:16  * Seldaek tries
16:17 < Seldaek> AH.
16:17 < Seldaek> thanks a bunch Wombert 
16:17 < Seldaek> I lost the entire evening going nuts on that :)
16:17 < Wombert> (try that with symfony :D)
16:17 < graste> hehe <:
16:17 < Seldaek> just another detail while I'm at it
16:17 < Seldaek> I have the user parameter in the url
16:17 < Seldaek> well the route
16:18 < Seldaek> the easiest way to add it to the validation scheme is isset validator ?
16:18 < Seldaek> or isnotempty 
16:18 < Seldaek> there is no better way? not that it's a problem but I just wondered
16:19 < Wombert> there is no better way, correct
16:19 < Wombert> you need to validate all input
16:19 < Seldaek> yup but I don't want to validate that the user exists in the validation xml
16:19 < Wombert> quick explanation of "set" vs "empty"
16:19 < Wombert> anything that has a value (even null) is considered "set"
16:19 < Wombert> compare hasParameter()
16:19 < Wombert> however, emptiness is different
16:20 < Seldaek> yup of course
16:20 < Wombert> by default, it's the same as "set"
16:20 < Wombert> but for "web"
16:20 < Wombert> (AgaviWebRequestDataHolder)
16:20 < Seldaek> but if it passed the route, it won't be empty and will be set
16:20 < Wombert> parameters are considered empty even when they're an empty string
16:20 < Wombert> because browsers submit an empty string for empty form fields
16:20 < Wombert> otherwise, you could never do required="false" on validators for optional fields
16:21 < Wombert> (well, you could, but it would be very cumbersome)
16:21 < Seldaek> ok, I think:p
16:21 < Seldaek> I'm still not sure why the provides/depends worked though
16:21 < Seldaek> it just makes the dependant not execute unless the provides passed?
16:22 < bobbytek> Wombert, you go girl
16:22 < Wombert> yes, Seldaek 
16:22 < Wombert> that even works for arrays, mind you
16:22 < Wombert> for every element then
16:22 < Wombert> it uses the key
16:22 < bobbytek> can agavi provide a site map to robots?
16:22 < Wombert> actually has foo[key] etc set as providers then
16:22 < Wombert> bobbytek: what?
16:23 < Wombert> bobbytek: how is that the task of a framework
16:23 < Seldaek> ok.. 
16:23 < bobbytek> a utility
16:23 < Wombert> bobbytek: how should the framework know what pages you havse
16:23 < bobbytek> routing.xml
16:23 < Wombert> ..
16:23 < graste> =)
16:23 < bobbytek> this is more like static scaffolding here
16:23 < bobbytek> more like a template
16:24 < bobbytek> wtf is the agavi command line tool for then?
16:25 < bobbytek> it's partially a code generator
16:25 < bobbytek> more like a stub generator
16:25 < Spica> v-dogg: Again a pice of errata for the tutorial. Are you around?
16:25 < bobbytek> is that really the task of a framework?
16:25 < Seldaek> bobbytek: yeah but consider a route with an id parameter in it, how would it know all ids that exist?
16:25 < bobbytek> so don't be rude Wombert, for sheez
16:26 < bobbytek> it is a bit undeterministic, I agree
16:26 < Wombert> the command line tool generates actions and views and models
16:26 < bobbytek> by design Wombert
16:26 < bobbytek> not by decree
16:26 < Wombert> that's not at all related to the concept of a "page"
16:26 < bobbytek> site map relates directly to pages dude
16:26 < bobbytek> sorry
16:27 < bobbytek> Just because rails doesn't do it, doesn't mean it wouldn't be useful
16:27 < Seldaek> but you can add something in the projectbaseview for example that would log all the pages with their real url and title etc when they are executed
16:27 < bobbytek> This is exactly why I love grails
16:27 < Seldaek> and build a sitemap from that 
16:27 < Seldaek> if you want automated weird things
16:27 < bobbytek> not automated
16:27 < bobbytek> but help driven
16:28 < bobbytek> like scaffolding, for example
16:28 < bobbytek> you never really just use it raw
16:28 < bobbytek> you customize it
16:28 < Seldaek> well each action could have a getSitemap method
16:28 < Seldaek> and you call all those to generate it ? 
16:29 < bobbytek> I think that would be mixing concerns a bit, but I'm really just talking out my ass here :)
16:29 < bobbytek> I was thinking more of a design time thing rather than runtime
16:29 < Seldaek> okay but you can't know document ids at design time
16:30 < Seldaek> you could generate a small sitemap for pages that don't have variables in them
16:30 < Seldaek> but that's limited
16:30 < bobbytek> $ro>-gen()?
16:30 < Seldaek> gives the core pages of the site though probably
16:30 < bobbytek> this would mostly be for static pages
16:30 < bobbytek> meh, what do I know
16:30 < graste> how about a generator, that generates a common default route/slot with a sitemap template? every user can then work from that base, activate caching etc. - example could include something like iteration over existing routes (if that's possible) or some not-yet-existing model ;D
16:31 < bobbytek> graste, you are too smart and you flatter my ramblings :)
16:31 < Seldaek> just build a scraper script 
16:31 < Seldaek> and scrape your website to generate the sitemap :p
16:31 < bobbytek> how about a self introspectingone?
16:31 < graste> <:
16:31 < bobbytek> ya
16:31 < bobbytek> :)
16:31 < bobbytek> using meta tags 
16:32 < bobbytek> and rel attributes
16:32 < bobbytek> that actually would be pretty neat
16:33 < Wombert> [17:26] bobbytek: site map relates directly to pages dude
16:33 < Wombert> yes
16:33 < Wombert> but actions don't
16:33 < Wombert> I have one action/view to serve static pages, and that's it
16:33 < bobbytek> but urls do (routing.xml)
16:33 < Wombert> so?
16:33 < Wombert> which routes go in the sitemap and which don't?
16:33 < bobbytek> so what do actions have to do with anything?
16:33 < graste> and which pages are changed frequently and which are not?
16:34 < Wombert> products/(id:\d+)/gallery, how does that go into a sitemap?
16:34 < graste> hm, could guess that from caching
16:34 < Wombert> it doesn't work
16:34 < Wombert> period
16:34 < graste> ^^
16:34 < bobbytek> not without metadata of course
16:34 < bobbytek> either declarative or procedural
16:34 < graste> sitemaps are overrated btw just build something accessible :p
16:34 < Seldaek> Wombert: how do you do that one action for all statics ? like /(page:foo)/ and then /(page:bar)/ pointing to the same?
16:34 < bobbytek> sitemaps are part of a solution, not the solution
16:35 < Wombert> yeah sure Seldaek 
16:35 < Seldaek> or well page:(foo|bar)
16:35 < bobbytek> sitemaps make sites accessible
16:35 < bobbytek> help I should say
16:36 < bobbytek> Has agavi considered the decorator pattern for layout / template composition?
16:36 < bobbytek> This is kinda similiar in concept to how the FPF works
16:37 < bobbytek> SiteMesh has done this using meta tags, it actually works quite well
16:37 < bobbytek> kind of an IoC for pages
16:38 < bobbytek> With regards to sitemaps, something like this is actually probably better http://www.xml-sitemaps.com/ :)
16:39 < graste> looked somewhat weired when i first saw a grails example using sitemesh :P
16:39 < bobbytek> why?
16:39 < graste> hey
16:39 < bobbytek> btw, the dsl features in grails / rails is still something agavi lacks
16:40 < graste> for like 30seconds i wondered what those meta tags were about
16:40 < graste> =)
16:40 < bobbytek> I guess that's what the xml is for?
16:41 < graste> dsl like in rspec for example?
16:41 < bobbytek> or gorm :)
16:41 < Wombert> [17:36] bobbytek: Has agavi considered the decorator pattern for layout / template composition?
16:41 < Wombert> eh?
16:42 < Wombert> dsls for what?
16:42 < bobbytek> Wombert: nvm :)
16:42 < bobbytek> graste: so you have used both rails and grails?
16:42 < graste> rails w/ rspec, but had a short look at grails
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16:43 < graste> behaviour driven development seemed nice til i tried to use it for templates/views
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16:44 < graste> rspec is for test driven development
16:44 < graste> behaviour-driven they call it
16:44 < graste> buzzword bingo ^^
16:44 < bobbytek> haha
16:45 < graste> small library, that lets you define your requirements by example
16:45 < graste> you write examples and these tests are then autorun all the time in the background if you like
16:45 < graste> so you see very fast, if you break something
16:46 < bobbytek> I think grails took all the good stuff about rails and made it better, personally... 
16:46 < bobbytek> except maybe for testing, I haven't really looked into rails testing
16:46 < graste> somewhat nice, but a bit cumbersome for views as you are always having the problem to write examples/tests that are very specific (and you don't want to change your tests/examples all the time the wording/structure of your views change)
16:48 < graste> for models it seemed to work rather good though
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16:51 < Simon_Holywell_> Hi, I am having a strange one.  Agavi is throwing an exception because it cannot find my template.  Yet when I look at the attempted path there is very definately a template there with the correct name and extension.  I am using 1.0 beta6 is there anything simple I might have missed.  This is my first real play with Agavi
16:53 < v-dogg> Seldaek: did you figure out your password changing validators? if not I can provide you a working solution
16:54 < v-dogg> Simon_Holywell_: can you paste the exception and lsl -R app/modules/MyModule/templates
16:54 < Seldaek> v-dogg: yup Wombert helped thanks
16:54 < v-dogg> good things
16:54 < v-dogg> Simon_Holywell_: 10/10 times this there's a typo somewhere :)
16:54 < v-dogg> -this
16:55 < Seldaek> something I was wondering though.. how do you test your apps usually ?
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16:55 < Seldaek> I build the strcture but I wonder if I would better try and test the entire pipeline by simulating a page request and checking output or if it's better to test the action itself etc
16:56 < Wombert> both :)
16:56 < Wombert> agavi 1.0 has features for all of this, btw
16:56 < Seldaek> yeah
16:56 < Wombert> the sample app comes with tests, check those
16:56 < Seldaek> undocumented features?:p
16:56 < Wombert> this feature is experimental though, mind you
16:56 < Seldaek> ok
16:56 < Wombert> yes, undocumented
16:56 < Wombert> your option to document them yourself or pay someone to document is always there :)
16:56 < Seldaek> :P
16:57 < Seldaek> I'll check out the sample app
16:57 < Simon_Holywell> exception: Template "ShowSprintSuccess" could not be found. Paths tried:
16:57 < Simon_Holywell> D:\xampp\simon\app/modules/YourSprints/templates/ShowSprintSuccess.php 
16:57 < Simon_Holywell> files:
16:57 < Simon_Holywell> D:\xampp\simon\app\modules\YourSprints\templates\ShowSprintSucccess.php
16:58 < Simon_Holywell> damn just spotted the triple c
16:58 < Simon_Holywell> sorry for wasting your time
16:58 < Wombert> no worries, Simon_Holywell 
16:58 < Wombert> happens :)
16:59 < Simon_Holywell> all too easily unfortunately :)
17:01 < Seldaek> meh
17:01 < Seldaek> testing is so boring:p
17:01 < Wombert> you could use the commandline util to create actions/views/templates
17:01 < v-dogg> Simon_Holywell: using the agavi cli script reduces typo errors a lot :)
17:01 < Wombert> prevents those mistakes :)
17:01 < Wombert> Seldaek: not if you write them *before* you code
17:01 < Wombert> then it's really satisfying
17:01 < Seldaek> yeah perhaps
17:01 < Wombert> to have them all pass in the end
17:01 < Seldaek> but.. too late:)
17:01 < Wombert> yup
17:02 < Seldaek> and I'm really not thinking things through enough to do TDD :p
17:02 < graste> indeed, but hard to change behaviour
17:03 < Seldaek> ah well I'll seesome other time 
17:03 < v-dogg> graste: actually TDD makes it easier (or at least less prone to errors) to change behaviour
17:03 < bobbytek> TDD is only now becoming viable for web app dev, imo
17:04 < graste> i know, i tried bdd once
17:04 < v-dogg> bullshit-drive dev?-)
17:04 < graste> ^^
17:04 < v-dogg> dricen
17:04 < v-dogg> "#¤(/!
17:04 < graste> behaviour-driven
17:04 < Simon_Holywell> still getting the hang of the cli script.  the error came in when i was renaming the file because of my poor use of the cli
17:06 < graste> it's just nice to write some simple examples in nearly plain text and then make those red failing tests succeed :)
17:06 < graste> but you need the infrastructure and discipline for it
17:07 < v-dogg> the first is soon taken care of 
17:07  * v-dogg makes a new-year promise to check out agavi's testing framework
17:08 < graste> it's the same with pair programming - everyone just likes to state, that it's a waste, but I think it's really useful in many situations because of better code and knowledge transfer etc.
17:22 < Wombert> pair programming is uber
17:22 < Wombert> it's definitely more productive than two individual coders
17:22 < Wombert> I did pair programming with another guy once to implement a relatively complicated feature that required a lot of attention while coding, and the quality of the end result was just superb
17:23 < Wombert> there were no bugs. everyone caught the others' typos and mistakes
17:23 < Wombert> plug two keyboards in, and hack away, it's simple and rewarding
17:23 < Wombert> and when we ran into a conceptual problem, we both knew the reason right away
17:23 < Wombert> as well as the solution
17:24 < Wombert> I'd say it took just 1/3rd of the time than each of us individually would have needed to complete the feature
17:26 < Wombert> basically, scaling human brains horizontally works pretty well :>
17:26 < Wombert> supermarket, bbl
17:27 < Wombert> for impl: -super
17:30 < v-dogg> heh
17:33 < bobbytek> i don't fall for Wombert's marketing techniques
17:34 < bobbytek> Testimonials only work on suckers who watch infomercials
17:35 < graste> :o)
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04:02 < Wombert> nom
04:03 < impl> hai Wombert 
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04:13 < Wombert> ohai impl 
04:13 < Wombert> sup
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07:29 < v-dogg> huomenta
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10:12 < _cheerios> huomenta
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14:39 < Fou4th> well
14:39 < Fou4th> hi everone
14:39 < Fou4th> Just discovered very interesting bug/feature
14:41 < Fou4th> When I define method execute() in the Action class then validator cuts out all parameters passed in URL for example
14:41 < Fou4th> sorry, executeRead
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14:44 < MrJeep> hum
14:45 < MrJeep> not a bug I'm afraid
14:45 < MrJeep> if a parameter is not validated, either by get or post, it's removed
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14:47 < Fou4th> in that case sample application (bloggie) won't work at all
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14:48 < Fou4th> moreover, if I don't defined method executeRead agavi passess paramter to View's executeHtml
14:48 < Fou4th> yy
14:51 < Fou4th> in controller/AgaviExecutionContainer.class.php
14:51 < Fou4th> if($actionInstance->isSimple() || ($useGenericMethods && !method_exists($actionInstance, $executeMethod))) {
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15:39 < _cheerios> human feelings suck.
15:40 < _cheerios> useless things, the maker must've had a good laugh implanting these in.
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15:58 < horros_> _cheerios: emo!
15:58 < _cheerios> hehe
16:08 < v-dogg> Fou4th: all behaviour you described there is intentional. if bloggie doesn't work there's a bug in it, not in agavi
16:41 < Fou4th> well, is there any other documentation besides tutorial? I remember there was something, a few months ago
16:42 < Fou4th> There are some thing those I don't understand and have to read sources
16:43 < v-dogg> I don't know if the old docs are available
16:43 < Fou4th> old docs is not very helpful now
16:43 < Fou4th> there were some major changes in the code
16:44 < Fou4th> validation related for example
16:44 < v-dogg> sure but a lot in the old docs is still usable
16:44 < v-dogg> validation hasn't changed much
16:44 < Fou4th> So I thought there is something "secret" link to another piece of docs
16:44 < v-dogg> default validation mode only
16:45 < Fou4th> well, then why validation doesn't work if there are no methods in the Action classes? 
16:46 < v-dogg> it never has. validation is executed only if there's an action execute* method to be executed
16:46 < Fou4th> I mean if I have Action and View, then in View I can see parameters if Action class doesn't contain any methods except getDefaultViewName
16:47 < Fou4th> hmmm
16:47 < Fou4th> Why?
16:48 < Fou4th> In that case parameters from URL passed into View without validation
16:48 < v-dogg> if there is no executeRead (for GET), executeWrite (for POST) or a general execute() then there should be no reason to validate input data either
16:49 < Fou4th> Isn't it dangerous?
16:49 < v-dogg> no, if you use "strict" validation mode which is recommended
16:50 < v-dogg> if you use "conditional" or "relaxed" you must know what is validated yourself
16:53 < Fou4th> hmmm
16:53 < Fou4th> thanks
16:53 < Fou4th> is this file up to date: https://svn.agavi.org/documentation/trunk/topics/reference/validation/modes.dita ?
16:54 < Fou4th> I didn't find that text on the site
16:55 < v-dogg> the default is "strict" for all environments since beta6
16:56 < v-dogg> but affects only new projects, it doesn't change your existing configs
16:56 < Fou4th> does it mean that all parameters should be passed to validators in case of absent Action::execute* ?
17:01 < v-dogg> oops, I have to apologize, I was wrong
17:02 < v-dogg> unvalidated data is indeed available in the view if you don't have a proper  execute-method in the action
17:03 < v-dogg> so the validation - even in strict mode - only kicks in if the action is to be executed
17:03 < v-dogg> otherwise you cannot trust the data
17:07 < Fou4th> ok, thanks. And another question: is it possible to validate bunch of parameters at once? For example check that provided day,month and year values are valid date value.
17:08 < v-dogg> yes but I'm not sure if there's a working sample
17:08 < Fou4th> hmm, good
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17:09 < v-dogg> AgaviDateTimeValidator can be used to do just that
17:15 < Fou4th> ok, will take a look
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17:31 < Fastly_> greetings everyone!
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17:34 < Wombert> [18:02] v-dogg: unvalidated data is indeed available in the view if you don't have a proper  execute-method in the action
17:34 < Wombert> [18:03] v-dogg: so the validation - even in strict mode - only kicks in if the action is to be executed
17:34 < Wombert> [18:03] v-dogg: otherwise you cannot trust the data
17:34 < Wombert> wat
17:34 < Wombert> lies
17:35 < Wombert> really?
17:35 < Wombert> that would be a bug
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17:52 < v-dogg> Wombert: unless I screwed up the quick test I did, yes that is how it works
17:55 < Wombert> whoa
17:55 < Wombert> true
17:55 < Wombert> is that intentional?
17:55 < Wombert> I think not
17:56 < v-dogg> well... umm... I don't know. in a way it makes sense but on the other hand it is a huge inconsistency in the security model
17:57 < v-dogg> because in this case agavi fails to protect against developer mistakes
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18:19 < _cheerios> oysters *g*
18:22 < v-dogg> blue oysters club
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19:01 < graste> i would find it somewhat suprising, that strict validation doesn't kick in in such case - why should I expect non-validated inputs in views when I use strict validation? (regardless of existing action methods or not - at least I have an action)
19:03 < v-dogg> yes, it is definitely inconsistent
19:04 < Wombert> yes, we gotta fix that
19:05 < graste> if it stays like this it should be mentioned somewhere - I compiled a quick list of faq entries as a start for myself today - i would definately add something like this to my list
19:05 < graste> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html
19:07 < graste> s/definately/definitively
19:08 < graste> :x
19:10 < v-dogg> graste: good job with the faq
19:10 < Wombert> oh nice graste 
19:10 < Wombert> Is there any way to set a template file extension per output type?
19:10 < Wombert> you need a dot there, mind you
19:10 < Wombert> maybe mention that
19:11 < graste> thx, just something i did for myself, but I'm thinking about scrolling through some IRC logs to get some common questions - the info in that file is all taken from comments here
19:11 < Wombert> What's that isSimple() method all about (in an action)?
19:11 < Wombert> also, no filters are run, not even security filter!
19:12 < Wombert> no request data is available except for arguments explicitly passed to the container
19:12 < graste> setParameter('.ext') then?
19:12 < v-dogg> validating array input is something that should be in some FAQ. I've done it a million times and still can't remember all the variants :)
19:12 < Wombert> yes graste 
19:12 < Wombert> What is the name of a validator for?
19:12 < graste> k
19:12 < Wombert> it's optional, too
19:13 < Wombert> also guys...
19:13 < Wombert> request data is cloned for each run
19:13 < Wombert> but AgaviUploadedFIle objecrts aren't deep-cloned
19:13 < Wombert> which I think is good
19:13 < Wombert> but
19:13 < Wombert> mmmmmmh
19:13 < Wombert> they'll need some kind of state eventually
19:13 < Wombert> like a $moved flag
19:14 < Wombert> I reckon that a copy() method would be reasonable in addition to move()
19:14 < Wombert> How can I repopulate disabled input fields?
19:15 < Wombert> that is a good question; the solution you provide is not 100% perfect as it doesn't use the original values to re-populate, but it'll work in 90% of cases
19:15 < graste> isn't ther an $rd->YgetParams + myarray?
19:15 < graste> argh typos
19:15 < Wombert> well $rd != global rd
19:15 < v-dogg> how about using readonly instead of disabled?
19:15 < Wombert> values may be missing etc
19:16 < v-dogg> with strict validation shouldn't be a problem
19:16 < graste> i guess I should start maintaining that file :D
19:17 < graste> I'll update the list later according to your feedback - have to cook now :P
19:18 < graste> thx for input
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20:57 < Fou4th> hi again
20:58 < Fou4th> is there any example of passing a few arguments to validator (in validator.xml)?
20:59 < Fou4th> more specifically, I'm trying to use AgaviDateTimeValidator but without success
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21:03 < graste1> and did you have a look at the source code of the validator? http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/validator/AgaviDateTimeValidator.class.php
21:04 < graste1> if you have a nice working example i would like to steal it for my faq ^^
21:04 < Fou4th> yep
21:04 < Fou4th> I'm always getting xml validation error
21:04 < Fou4th> like
21:04 < Fou4th> Line 0: Extra element validators in interleave
21:05 < Fou4th> etc
21:05 < Fou4th> http://paste.org.ru/?p9fc0o
21:06 < Fou4th> I tried that code
21:06 < Fou4th> as I see in validators.rng it should work
21:06 < Fou4th> but it doesn't
21:12 < Fou4th> maybe error in validators.rng?
21:12 < graste1> hm, what about something like that: http://paste.org.ru/?7v1lq1 (didn't test it)
21:14 < Fou4th> ye, I think it's an answer, _common.rng has different namespace
21:15 < Fou4th> yep, it works, thanks
21:16 < Fou4th> at least doesn't throw xml validation error :)
21:16 < graste1> hehe
21:16 < graste1> tell me if it works
21:16 < graste1> i mean not only validates =)
21:16 < Fou4th> ok
21:17 < graste1> I'll have an example for personal use then ^^
21:23 < Fou4th> how to pass array of arrays into parameters?
21:34 < Fou4th> ok, got it
21:34 < Fou4th> a bit complicated way
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21:37 < Fou4th> well, that's the correct one
21:37 < Fou4th> http://paste.org.ru/?gjl5bw
21:39 < impl> Wombert: did you get my comments?
21:39 < impl> re RDH behavior
21:40 < Wombert> impl: no
21:40 < impl> I posted them on the wiki
21:41 < impl> but basically I agree with it except for the * and ? ones, which I think should just throw exceptions
21:41 < graste1> thx Fou4th :)
21:42 < graste1> why is it nested like that?
21:46 < Wombert> ah those
21:46 < Fou4th> graste1, I don't know :)
21:46 < Wombert> graste1, Fou4th: there can be more than one format
21:46 < Wombert> hence the array
21:46 < Fou4th> I just written that code consulting validator code
21:47 < Fou4th> and validators.rng
21:47 < Wombert> each format consists of two parts, format (date, time or datetime, I think your example is wrong) and the format string
21:47 < Wombert> you could use the name on the format container to document it with a description or so, that would also make things clearer
21:49 < Fou4th> this code works, just checked
21:50 < Fou4th> maybe there is some way to write such construction without these nested parameters?
21:50 < graste1> hm, don't understand that right now, will have to start making an example that works when I got time <:
21:53 < Fou4th> And another question, example has taken from default routing temlate
21:53 < Fou4th> 				<route name=".product" pattern="^/(id:\d+)" action="Product">
21:53 < Fou4th> 					<route name=".view" pattern="^$" action=".View" />
21:53 < Fou4th> there are also route ".edit", ".delete" etc
21:53 < Fou4th> Where should I place validator?
21:54 < Fou4th> Is it possible to create validators chain?
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22:02 < graste1> <validators method="write"> <validator class="and" name="email_rules"> <validator class="string" name="email_too_short"> ... </validator>  <validator class="email" name="email_valid"> ... </validator></validator></validators>
22:02 < graste1> something like that?
22:05 < Wombert> chain?
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22:05 < Wombert> Fou4th: you can use parent="..." and xincludes to import shared validation definitions
22:06 < Wombert> in case you have nested routes like that etc
22:06 < Wombert> (xml powah, baby!)
22:06 < Fou4th> hmm, forgot about xincludes, thanks
22:06 < Fou4th> Does agavi support it?
22:07 < graste1> yes
22:08 < Fou4th> graste1, no, validation for routes, each level of routes has its own validation file. SOmething like that
22:09 < Fou4th> in the example above I have to include the same code (that checks id) into all validation XMLs.
22:10 < graste1> you can xinclude them, i guess :>
22:10 < Fou4th> but if xinclude is supported there is no problem
22:10 < Fou4th> yep :)
22:10 < Fou4th> xml rulez
22:11 < Fou4th> What is original format of RNG-schemas provided with agavi? They are natively in RNG? Or there is exists RNC source for them?
22:15 < Fou4th> ops, have to go
22:15 < Fou4th> bye
22:15 < Fou4th> .ÕÞÛÅ
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22:43 < Wombert> nn
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04:36 < CIA-55> david * r3455 /branches/1.0/UPGRADING: UPGRADING info for per-container request methods, refs #667
04:39 < CIA-55> david * r3456 /branches/1.0/UPGRADING: note about XSL transformations for old configs
04:46 < CIA-55> david * r3457 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/view/AgaviView.class.php): Fixed #966: Slot container created inside a forward container retains is_forward parameter
04:47 < Wombert> huomenta btw
04:47 < Wombert> :>
04:50 < CIA-55> david * r3458 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/view/AgaviView.class.php): merge [3445:3457/branches/0.11]
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05:51 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:51 < Wombert> huomenta v-dogg 
05:52 < v-dogg> -13C
05:52 < v-dogg> ...*bRRrRRrRr*
05:53 < v-dogg> going to take same time to clear car windows
05:54 < v-dogg> even with the ever so clever windshield heating elements :)
06:05 < Wombert> v-dogg: yay
06:05 < Wombert> ford QuikClear ftw
06:05 < Wombert> best thing they ever invented
06:06 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quickclear
06:07 < Wombert> -7 here
06:07 < Wombert> mmmm
06:07 < Wombert> mmmmmm
06:07 < Wombert> do not wnt
07:00 < v-dogg> -16 here
07:00 < impl> 11C here
07:00 < impl> :D
07:00 < impl> no wait
07:00 < impl> 12.5C
07:40 < Seldaek> how can I check in the getCredentials() method if $rd->getParameter('user') == $this->getUser()->name ?
07:40 < Seldaek> (I'm using RBAC user)
07:41 < Seldaek> Iguess there is no "self" credential 
07:41 < Seldaek> some magic thingy you know :p
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07:45 < v-dogg> Seldaek: $request->getRequestData() or something
07:46 < Wombert> $this->getContainer()->getRequestData()
07:46 < v-dogg> but remember the global request data is not validated and thus insecure
07:46 < Wombert> watch out, the data is unvalidated
07:46 < v-dogg> oh, container of course
07:46 < Wombert> checks like these could also be implemented using custom methods and a custom security filter
07:46 < Wombert> it's all a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem, unfortunately
07:47 < Seldaek> yeah 
07:47 < Seldaek> well I can leave it as I did it I guess.. just checking in the read/write methods once I checked that the user exists
07:51 < v-dogg> or you could write a validator for it perhaps
07:51 < v-dogg> not sure what you are doing there :)
07:52 < Seldaek> it's just the edit profile  page
07:52 < Seldaek> and I redirect to the profile if you're not the guy you try to edit atm
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08:20 < v-dogg> Seldaek: so /profiles/vdogg opens the profile for edit if I open it and profile viewing page for others?
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08:34 < Seldaek> v-dogg: oh no:)
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08:35 < Seldaek> it's /profiles/vdogg/edit  that edits or redirects to /profiles/vdogg/
08:37 < v-dogg> you could use a validator and redirect in the error view
08:38 < v-dogg> or a routing callback and hide that page from other users completely (i.e. show 404 if haxor user tries to open my profile edit)
08:38 < Seldaek> yeah but then the error view might be just validation error from the form
08:38 < Seldaek> so I need crazy checks
08:39 < Seldaek> and well.. atm it just works
08:39 < v-dogg> just one check - did the user validator fail or not
08:39 < Seldaek> so if it's replacing a hack with a slightly cleaner hack.. I think I'll save me some time :)
08:40 < v-dogg> but I'm just throwing ideas here. do what ever feels good :)
08:40 < Seldaek> I could also do /profiles/edit/
08:40 < Seldaek> and then load whatever guy is logged
08:40 < v-dogg> yup. that's the common approach I guess
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08:41 < v-dogg> but maybe you also have superusers that can edit everybodys profile
08:41 < Seldaek> yeah that's what I thought
08:41 < Seldaek> even though right now I don't allow it
08:41 < Seldaek> once I've 32904923 users and huge moderator teams and all.. :p
08:42 < v-dogg> well, then you can just sell your shit to google and have them deal with it :p
08:42 < Seldaek> nah I'd rather buy them out
08:43 < Seldaek> (yeah you've to set goals)
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09:11 < Wombert> ohai fnordfish 
09:11 < Wombert> or fnordfish_ 
09:11 < Wombert> or fnordfish__ 
09:11 < Wombert> :p
09:12 < fnordfish__> cool im a tripplet
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09:13 < fnordfish__> narf
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09:40 < Wombert> fnordfish__: got my email?
09:40 < fnordfish__> not yet
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09:43 < Xylakant> huomenta
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10:01 < Wombert> v-dogg: canhas email reply plz kthx? :>
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10:03 < E_mE> happy new year everyone :)
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10:11 < v-dogg> Wombert: yes sir, can has
10:11 < Wombert> v-dogg: ohgreat
10:12 < v-dogg> canhas'ed
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10:34 < CIA-55> david * r3459 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php): Fixed #967: Request data is not cleared if default View is run in absence of suitable Action::execute*() method
10:41 < Fou4th> does anyone use eclipse?
10:41 < CIA-55> david * r3460 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/controller/AgaviExecutionContainer.class.php): ported [3458:3459/branches/0.11]
10:50 < CIA-55> david * r3461 /branches/1.0/src/controller/AgaviExecutionContainer.class.php: whitespace cleanup
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11:02 < v-dogg> Fou4th: yep
11:02 < v-dogg> me for instance
11:03 < CIA-55> david * r3462 /branches/0.11/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): whitespace cleanup
11:04 < CIA-55> david * r3463 /branches/1.0/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): merged [3460:3462/branches/0.11]
11:06 < Fou4th> v-dogg, do you know how to make tabs buttons more compact?
11:07 < v-dogg> nope
11:07 < Fou4th> when file name is too long corresponding tab button (of the editor) takes a lot of space in the tabs bar
11:07 < Fou4th> hate this
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11:43 < Fou4th> and another question. If I set attribute "method" in the "route" element then that value is used to choose which Action's execute* method to call?
11:44 < CIA-55> david * r3464 /branches/1.0/ (5 files in 4 dirs): more whitespace cleanup
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12:03 < Fou4th> why AgaviSetValidator throws an error when required arguement doesn't exist?
12:04 < Fou4th> How can I validate parameters generated by checkboxes?
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13:58 < bobbytek> Form Population Filter could not parse the document due to the following error:
13:58 < bobbytek> Line 39: failed to load external entity "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml-special.ent"
13:59 < v-dogg> do you have resolve_entities=true?
13:59 < v-dogg> or what ever the parameter name was
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14:05 < Fou4th> I'm trying to use slots to get output of another action and just discovered this error: Too many execution runs have been detected for this Context.
14:06 < Fou4th> But it doesn't occur on all pages.
14:06 < v-dogg> Fou4th: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/WTF
14:07 < v-dogg> your slot loads a layout which executes the same slot again => infinite recursion
14:07 < Fou4th> thanks
14:07 < v-dogg> hoem ->
14:11 < Fou4th> doesn't work for me
14:11 < Fou4th> BaseView class already has this code
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14:46 < CIA-55> david * r3465 /branches/0.11/ (6 files in 4 dirs): code style fixes
14:54 < v-dogg> Fou4th: but I'm still 99% sure the reason is correct 
14:55 < v-dogg> i.e. you execute the slot recursively
14:57 < Fou4th> v-dogg, maybe, but I still have no idea where is error
14:58 < Fou4th> slot definition: <slot name="account" module="Public" action="Login" method="Applet" />
14:59 < Fou4th> also there is executeApplet method in the LoginAction class
14:59 < CIA-55> david * r3466 /branches/1.0/ (6 files in 4 dirs): ported [3463:3465/branches/0.11]
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15:16 < MrJeep_> hi
15:16 < MrJeep_> happy new year everyone :)
15:23 < v-dogg> Fou4th: the problem is in the view side
15:41 < Fou4th> How can I set cookie?
15:41 < Fou4th> from view trying $this->getResponse()->setCookie('session_id', 123123)
15:42 < Fou4th> no effect
15:42 < Fou4th> from view trying $this->getResponse()->setCookie('session_id', 123123, 10000000)
15:42 < Fou4th> i.e.
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15:46 < v-dogg> that is exactly the way you should set cookies
15:47 < v-dogg> don't know why it wouldn't work. I haven't had any problems using it
15:50 < Fou4th> hmmm
16:05 < Fou4th> For some reason only cookie "Agavi=XXXXXXXXXXX" processed by browser
16:06 < Fou4th> ahmmm
16:06 < Fou4th> my fault
16:07 < graste> <:
16:10 < Fou4th> Is it possible to tell Agavi don't send cookie with name "Agavi"?
16:10 < v-dogg> yup
16:10 < v-dogg> <ae:parameter name="session_name">MyAwesomeSiteSessionCookie</ae:parameter>
16:10 < v-dogg> for <storage> in factories.xml
16:12 < Fou4th> cool
16:12 < Fou4th> thx
16:12 < Fou4th> I've set empty element, it's ok?
16:13 < Fou4th>         <storage class="AgaviSessionStorage">
16:13 < Fou4th>             <ae:parameter name="session_name"/>
16:13 < Fou4th>         </storage>
16:13 < v-dogg> oh you want to disable session completely?
16:14 < v-dogg> because that's what it is - session cookie 
16:14 < Fou4th> I think it's wrong 
16:14 < v-dogg> how?
16:14 < Fou4th> I've already discovered :)
16:14 < Fou4th> session problems etc
16:15 < v-dogg> what kind of problems?
16:15 < Fou4th> well
16:15 < Fou4th> my problem :) Agavi doesn't remember login user when this cookie is absent
16:15 < Fou4th> just discovered
16:16 < Fou4th> thought that's just useless cookie
16:17 < Fou4th> As I understand that's a session cookie that expires after browser close?
16:21 < graste> yes
16:26 < Wombert> "Agavi" is the session cookie
16:26 < Wombert> you need it
16:30 < Fou4th> How can I access request headers in Action/View class? I need to get "Referer" header.
16:36 < Wombert> $rd->getHeader('Referer');
16:36 < Wombert> and you need to validate it
16:36 < Wombert> (because it's user input)
16:39 < Fou4th> how it could be validated?
16:39 < Fou4th> I mean it's not a named parameter
16:39 < Wombert> <validator ... source="headers">
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16:43 < Fou4th> what should be passed as arguments in that case?
16:44 < Wombert> the name of the header
16:48 < CIA-55> david * r3467 /branches/1.0/test/tests/unit/request/ (2 files): coding style fixes
16:48 < Wombert> the default source simply is "parameters"
16:50 < Fou4th> well, maybe something else should be passed? I still don't have headers...
16:50 < Fou4th> set validator like this
16:50 < Fou4th> 			<validator class="set" source="headers">
16:50 < Fou4th> 				<argument>Referer</argument>
16:50 < Fou4th> 			</validator>
16:51 < Fou4th> and list $rd->getHeaders() is still empty
16:56 < Fou4th> fixed
16:56 < Fou4th> header name must be in uppercase
17:01 < Xylakant> Fou4th, using a SetValidator all the time is no good idea
17:01 < Xylakant> it's about the lowest level of validation you could possibly think of
17:01 < Xylakant> validation should be as strict as possible
17:01 < v-dogg> if you aren't going to validate properly you might as well turn off strict validation
17:02 < Xylakant> for a Referer you could check: is it a valid url, does it contain javascript code or html tags, etc.
17:04 < Xylakant> maybe even "is it a domain i want to allow as a referer"
17:05 < fnordfish_> Wombert: finally got your mail
17:06 < PyroBilly> oh yeah me too Wombert
17:06 < Fou4th> Sure I will replace it with someone more strict, it's just a kind of debug code
17:06 < PyroBilly> it's on the massive New Year stack
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17:10 < _cheerios> e
17:16 < Wombert> hehe PyroBilly 
17:16 < Wombert> it's "isset"
17:17 < Wombert> a set validator exports a value
17:26 < CIA-55> david * r3468 /branches/1.0/test/tests/unit/request/AgaviWebRequestDataHolderTest.php: fixed default/emptiness tests for AWRDH tests, refs #955 and #308
17:34 < CIA-55> david * r3469 /branches/1.0/test/tests/unit/request/AgaviWebRequestDataHolderTest.php: slight optimization for change in [3468], refs #955 and #308
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17:54 < CIA-55> david * r3470 /branches/0.11/ (6 files in 2 dirs): fixed #955: AgaviWebRequestDataHolder method implementations are all over the place
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18:05 < Wombert> hoem tiem
18:05 < Wombert> laetrs
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18:10 < CIA-55> dominik * r3472 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/translation/AgaviGettextTranslator.class.php): 
18:10 < CIA-55> add missing variable initialisation to AgaviGettextTranslator
18:10 < CIA-55> closes #968
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18:22 < CIA-55> dominik * r3473 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/translation/AgaviTranslationManager.class.php): 
18:22 < CIA-55> Use arbitrary timezone offset from datetime object when available in AgaviTranslationManager::createCalendar()
18:22 < CIA-55> closes #957
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19:12 < graste> Huomenta
19:22 < v-dogg> propel users: ADT (http://adt.projectbin.org/) now supports full query logging (no dependencies to Pear_Log or anything)
19:34 < graste> :o
19:34 < impl> ohhai
19:34 < _cheerios> i havent touched personal code after work tonight at all. you've 1up on me!
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19:41 < _cheerios> still feeling cold after coming in out of that weather, 3½ hours ago
19:43 < Wombert> nom
19:43 < impl> nom
19:46 < Wombert> pancakes
19:46 < Wombert> :>
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20:28 < MrJeep_> oh, so ADT is working again ?
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20:29 < MrJeep_> can't wait to try it
20:31 < v-dogg> it has been working all the time but the default config snippets it shipped with were broken awhile
20:31 < v-dogg> hence the big red warning sign
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21:23 < MrJeep_> :o
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22:07 < _cheerios> mad men <3
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01:07 < Wombert> nom
01:08 < impl> nom
01:08 < Wombert> ohai
01:08 < impl> how was party?
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01:28 < bobbytek> v-dogg: <parameter name="dom_resolve_externals">true</parameter>
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06:20 < Wombert_> impl: okay, I s'pose
06:20 < Wombert_> did you play Portal?
06:21 < impl> No
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07:10 < v-dogg> bobbytek: bad idea
07:10 < v-dogg> huomenta, btw
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08:43 < _cheerios> huomenta
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09:18 < moritz> huomenta
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09:19 < crazyhead> huomenta
09:21 < moritz> when I execute login on my RbacSecurityUser: where is a good place to store the username string because case I need it later in my model?
09:21 < crazyhead> on the user?
09:21 < crazyhead> setAttribute on user ^^
09:21 < moritz> ah ok
09:21 < moritz> that simple, huh?
09:22 < crazyhead> $this->getContext()->getUser()->setAttribute()
09:23 < moritz> I totally didn't see this:
09:23 < moritz> AgaviParameterHolder
09:23 < moritz>    |
09:23 < moritz>    --AgaviAttributeHolder
09:23 < moritz>       |
09:23 < moritz>       --AgaviUser
09:23 < moritz> thank you!
09:23 < crazyhead> every abstraction from agavi has an connection to the parameter holder
09:24 < v-dogg> almost, yeah
09:24 < v-dogg> but that's not the key point here. the key point is that user attributes are stored into the session
09:24 < moritz> ok
09:27 < crazyhead> $this->getContext()->getStorage is also one of my best friends ;P
09:28 < crazyhead> any (exactly) idea how xi:includes works? 
09:28 < crazyhead> i try to load other routings.xml (modul-based) over the app/config/routing.xml 
09:29 < v-dogg> crazyhead: usingn storage directly is not recommended
09:29 < v-dogg> only via user attributes
09:29 < crazyhead> why? if i need information over the hole system
09:31 < v-dogg> user is available for the whole system just as well
09:31 < v-dogg> xinclude example: http://svn.projectbin.org/adt/trunk/demo/app/config/action_filters.xml
09:33 < crazyhead> hmmm
09:33 < crazyhead> must i have a specific information in the included file?
09:33 < crazyhead> Line 3: XPointer evaluation failed: #xpointer(/configurations/*)
09:37 < crazyhead> Line 3: could not load ....../routing.xml#xpointer(/configuration/*), and no fallback was found
09:37 < crazyhead> the second message 
09:37 < crazyhead> (yes i know that their is missing an "s")
09:50 < crazyhead> -_-
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10:32 < Fou4th> crazyhead, maybe you missed namespace?
10:33 < crazyhead> hmm i duplicate the original routing.xml and i remove some routes and add some for testing..
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10:34 < Fou4th> well, I'm using this to include validation rules:
10:34 < Fou4th> 			<xi:include href="PostURL.xml" 
10:34 < Fou4th> 			xpointer="xmlns(a=http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/validators/1.0)xpointer(/a:validators/a:validator)"/>
10:34 < Fou4th> Try to do something like but with routing elements
10:35 < Fou4th> and don't forget to add xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" into top level element
10:37 < Fou4th> When validator catches an error agavi wants to load view *Error, but where should I see in this view to access error details?
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10:43 < Fou4th> o, never mind, just found an answer
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10:53 < crazyhead> <xi:include href="....../routing.xml" xpointer="xmlns(a=http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/routing/1.0)xpointer(/a:routes/a:route)" />
10:54 < crazyhead> -_-
10:54 < crazyhead> it dosnt work 
10:54 < crazyhead> xmlns:xi="htt... is set
10:56 < splatch> oi! :)
10:56 < Fou4th> what is the full path to routing.xml?
10:56 < Fou4th> is it main routing.xml?
10:56 < crazyhead> href="../modules/Search/config/routing.xml"
10:57 < crazyhead> the file gets found..
10:57 < Fou4th> are you sure that top level element is routes?
10:58 < crazyhead> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
10:58 < crazyhead> <configurations xmlns="http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config" xmlns:soap="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/wsdl/soap/" xmlns:wsdl="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/wsdl/" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude">
10:58 < crazyhead> 	<configuration>
10:58 < crazyhead> 		<routes>
10:58 < crazyhead> ...
10:58 < Fou4th> it could be "/a:configurations/a:configuration/a:routes/a:route
10:59 < crazyhead> also tried..
10:59 < crazyhead> its everytime the same error
10:59 < crazyhead> XPointer evaluation failed:
10:59 < crazyhead> Line 5: XPointer evaluation failed: #xmlns(a=http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/routings/1.0)xpointer(/a:configurations/a:configuration/a:routes)
11:00 < Fou4th> try namespace http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config
11:00 < crazyhead> and where to set?
11:00 < crazyhead> <configurations xmlns="http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config"
11:00 < Fou4th> xpointer="xmlns(a=http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/routing/1.0)xpointer(/a:routes/a:route)"
11:00 < Fou4th> in the xinclude call
11:01 < Fou4th> after "a="
11:02 < crazyhead> same error
11:03 < Fou4th> well, I think problem somewhere in the namespaces
11:03 < Fou4th> maybe you've set wrong namespace in that routing.xml?
11:04 < Fou4th> as I understand you are trying to include module's routing.xml into main routing.xml?
11:04 < crazyhead> yes
11:04 < crazyhead> i can send you both routings.. 
11:05 < Fou4th> http://pastebin.com/
11:06 < crazyhead> http://pastebin.com/d2dcbde1c
11:07 < crazyhead> http://pastebin.com/d2eec1538
11:07 < Fou4th> well, I recommend you rewrite second file and leave route elements there
11:08 < Fou4th> like this http://pastebin.com/m14c57f5c
11:08 < crazyhead> .. but i need every context in their, soap, web..
11:09 < crazyhead> or i create 2 files, one for web routings and one for soap routing.. ?
11:09 < Fou4th> no
11:10 < Fou4th> maybe yes
11:10 < crazyhead> ^^
11:10 < Fou4th> actually you may use one file and create xinclude query to include required parts
11:11 < Fou4th> but this could be a bit complicated
11:11 < Fou4th> it's like XPath
11:12 < Fou4th> If you have XML editor I would recommend you to debug these XMLs there
11:13 < Fou4th> maybe XML Editor will tell more specific error message
11:14 < Fou4th> <xi:include href="../modules/Search/config/routing.xml" xpointer="xmlns(a=http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config)xpointer(/a:configurations/a:configuration/a:routes/a:route)" />
11:14 < Fou4th> try this
11:19 < crazyhead> oki one mom
11:23 < bleachy> Hey crazyhead, try xpointer="xmlns(a=http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config) xpointer(/a:configurations/a:configuration/a:routes/*)". If you want to target a particular context in that file you can use xpointer(/a:configuratons/a:configuration[@context='web']/a:routes/*), provided the <configuration> block has a context="web" attribute.
11:55 < crazyhead> re, i try now the 2 things =) 
11:56 < crazyhead> first example:
11:56 < crazyhead> Line 5: Element '{http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config}route', attribute '{http://www.w3.org/XML/1998/namespace}base': The attribute '{http://www.w3.org/XML/1998/namespace}base' is not allowed.
11:58 < crazyhead> second example is the evaluation failed error..
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12:08 < crazyhead> HAH
12:08 < crazyhead> i got it
12:08 < Fou4th> Is it possible to use validation manager for form validation? I cannot access values that triggered validation errors
12:09 < Fou4th> So I can't print these values into form elements
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12:11 < Fou4th> $vm->getFailedFields() call gives me Fatal error
12:11 < Fou4th> Fatal error: Call to undefined method AgaviValidationReport::getFailedArguments() in /usr/share/php/agavi/validator/AgaviValidationManager.class.php on line 661
12:12 < graste> http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/validation.html 
12:12 < graste> there's an example for iterating errors
12:12 < Fou4th> but there are no error values
12:13 < Fou4th> I mean I want to get values of error fields to put them to the form, but I can't
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13:02 < _cheerios> http://vimeo.com/2723800 Zed Shaw - The ACL is Dead
13:10 < Fou4th> AgaviStringValidator
13:11 < Fou4th> Parameter min_error is not used already or is not used yet?
13:11 < Fou4th> max_error too
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13:35 < graste> dunno :)
13:53 < Fou4th> How it's supposed to display recursive data structures? Trees for example
13:53 < Fou4th> Add function to the template php files?
13:54 < Fou4th> Or build page in the View class using templates?
13:58 < graste> didn't do that and depends on what you want to achieve - but you could for example create slots in a loop and then you have this single slot just displaying one entry - so each entry would be cacheable (in case you don't want to cache the whole tree), if i'm not mistaken <:
13:59 < Fou4th> Well, I have XSLT renderer for such purposes but it looks a bit slow
14:01 < Fou4th> using a slots doesn't look like an effective solution, but maybe I'm wrong
14:04 < Fou4th> so the question is: Is it really bad to place functions in the templates/*.php files?
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14:09 < crazyhead> hmmm
14:10 < crazyhead> xi:includes seems like that t doesnt work with soap routes
14:13 < graste> i wouldn't place functions in templates
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14:16 < _cheerios> Fou4th, bad.
14:19 < Fou4th> ok, then how to render tree?
14:20 < graste> foreach($this->getAttribute('items', array()) as $item) { $item_id = 'item_'.$item->getId(); $contentlayer->setSlot($item_id, $this->createSlotContainer('Module', 'Slots.SingleItemAction', array('item'=>$item, 'some_more'=>'params'))); $item_ids[] = $item_id }
14:20 < graste> use item_ids[] to build your tree :x (could use level or whatever you need)
14:20 < graste> just a guess =)
14:22 < graste> could cache single items by creating a Module/cache/Slots/SingleItem.xml or cache the whole afterwards
14:22 < graste> 2nd guess =)
14:23 < graste> but as I said - never did that
14:23 < graste> :p
14:25 < Fou4th> hmm
14:25 < graste> if you got some nice examples for things that were not clear when you started using Agavi - I would like to use them for a FAQ I'm compiling for personal use :D
14:25 < graste> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html
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14:27 < Fou4th> well, It's whole agavi was not clear :)
14:27 < graste> welcome to the club :D
14:27 < Fou4th> I've started year ago, then stopped, and a few days ago started again
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14:35 < Fou4th> assume I have tree (like comments tree), in array(). Also I have empty View class. What should I do to render a tree? Step by step.
14:36 < Fou4th> As I understand I have to redefine view's setupHtml
14:37 < Fou4th> well, ok. Also I know how to create slot in setupHtml()
14:37 < Fou4th> and set it for layer
14:37 < Fou4th> and that's all :)
14:46 < Fou4th> But in that particular case it's possible to eliminate recursion...
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14:52 < _cheerios> "the only people who still watch TV in respectable numbers are the least desirable demographic" *g*
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15:34 < v-dogg> Fou4th: umm.. wat? can't you just render the array (tree) in the template?
15:34 < v-dogg> what are you creating slots for? 
15:42 < Fou4th> v-dogg, how?
15:43 < Fou4th> without recursion it looks weird
15:45 < v-dogg> but using slots recursively is either be slow as hell or fail completely because number of execution runs is limited
15:45 < v-dogg> +going to
15:47 < v-dogg> but placing a helper function to a template is ok
15:47 < Fou4th> cool
15:47 < Fou4th> then it will be really easy
15:48 < v-dogg> you could for example implement your own recursive iterator for that
15:49 < v-dogg> and maybe place it to a helper class/file which the view can load
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16:41 < crazyhead> graste: did you leave the FAQ their ? :) i see some interesting information for my devs
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16:54 < graste> for the moment it'll stay there
16:54 < graste> ^^
16:54 < graste> loooooong moment
16:54 < graste> but dunno if information are correct
16:54 < crazyhead> hmm :P
16:54 < graste> ;)
17:03 < _cheerios> "new research suggests that cities actually dull our thinking, sometimes dramatically so" o_O
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17:35 < Wombert> http://www.macrumorslive.com/ fail
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17:37 < graste> hm
17:38 < graste> don't know how updates for normal keynotes look like, but it looks weired <:
17:38 < _cheerios> heh
17:42 < MrJeep_> lol
17:43 < MrJeep_> Wombert: so did you get a new laptop ?
17:44 < MrJeep_> omg, the keynote is today 
17:44 < MrJeep_> ?
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17:49 < v-dogg> nice host
17:49 < v-dogg> (horros')
18:02 < _cheerios> mad men <3
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18:54 < _cheerios> "Public transport in Britain suggests there isn't a God anyway, but in case anyone hasn't noticed, or feels isolated for thinking such a thing, this campaign should help." *g*
19:02 < CIA-56> david * r3474 /branches/1.0/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge [3471:3473/branches/0.11]
19:09 < Wombert> you fixing #969, v-dogg, or should I?
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19:37 < v-dogg> Wombert: I was going to but decided not to because I wasn't sure which branches I should thouch 
19:38 < v-dogg> and figuring out branch merging (once again) would have taken me hours :p
19:38 < Wombert> it's only in 1.0 ;)
19:39 < v-dogg> oh :)
19:39 < v-dogg> I'll do it then
19:40 < Wombert> thanks :)
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19:42 < CIA-56> david * r3475 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/config/AgaviCachingConfigHandler.class.php): Fixed #970: Caching does not support customized view name schemes
19:54 < CIA-56> v-dogg * r3476 /branches/1.0/src/config/defaults/autoload.xml: Added AgaviValidationValidatorResult to default autoload.xml. Closes #969.
20:00 < CIA-56> dominik * r3477 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/translation/AgaviDateFormatter.class.php): 
20:00 < CIA-56> clone the calendar before setting a new timezone
20:00 < CIA-56> closes #962
20:05 < CIA-56> david * r3478 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/config/defaults/autoload.xml): cleanup and CHANGELOG for [3476], refs #969
20:07 < CIA-56> david * r3479 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/translation/AgaviDateFormatter.class.php): merge [3474:3478/branches/0.11]
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21:26 < impl> fucking son of a fuck
21:26 < impl> I'm like "I'll wake up at 9AM today"
21:26 < impl> when do I wake up? 3PM.
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21:42 < _cheerios> bum!
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21:57 < graste> <:
21:59 < Wombert> haha impl 
22:00 < Wombert> impl: go to bed before midnight
22:00 < Wombert> the only thing that works
22:00  * Wombert is doing the same thing in a bit, after getting up at 6pm today
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22:22 < Wombert> nn guise
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23:46 < bobbytek2> oh hai
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04:43 < hashZILLA> hello. can anyone help with rewrite rule for nginx? having some problem it seems
05:26 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:37 < hashZILLA> hi if i don't have any rewrite rules on my webserver, should i be able to direct agavi with www.mydomain.com/index.php/route?query=string ?
05:37 < hashZILLA> i mean www.mydomain.com/index.php?/route?query=string ?
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05:46 < Wombert> huomenta
05:46 < Wombert> impl: poekl
05:46 < impl> Wombert: hi
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06:51 < hashZILLA> hi if i rewriting is off on the webserver what is the format of an agavi url? www.domain.com/index.php?/route?query=string  or something else?
07:48 < trophaeum_> ne1 know shorewall around here? need a basic firewall on 1 of my boxen but shorewall seems to be the only thing easy to install on it but i have no clue how to configure it and its docs make my head hurt
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07:58 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:10 < Wombert> huomenta
08:10 < Wombert> :>
08:10 < Wombert> Rozza: howsitgoin
08:10 < Wombert> happy new year and stuffs
08:13 < v-dogg> hey Wombert & Rozza 
08:13 < Wombert> v-dogg: I'm re-building the changelog right now
08:13 < Wombert> changelog-0.10, changelog-0.11 (in 1.0) etc
08:13 < Wombert> any change done in 0.11 that was merged to 1.0 is listed in the respective 1.0 release
08:14 < Wombert> the current system doesn't work anymore - people have no idea which 0.11 fixes are in 1.0 and which aren't
08:14 < v-dogg> yup, sounds good
08:14 < v-dogg> can has b7 soon?-)
08:16 < v-dogg> kaffe ->
08:16 < Wombert> today, hopefully
08:16 < Wombert> there's one last issue to tackle, which is a bit more complicated
08:16 < Wombert> involves AgaviArrayPathDefinition and invalid key names... foo[[lala] and stuff like that
08:16 < Wombert> that's turning out to be a bit problematic
08:18 < Wombert> should we even list old releases from previous series?
08:18 < Wombert> like in 0.11
08:18 < Wombert> should it have a 0.10 changelog?
08:18 < Wombert> and in 1.0, 0.11?
08:19 < Wombert> but then only released entries, no work-in-progress items?
08:20 < Wombert> yeah that sounds reasonable
08:21 < v-dogg> yup
08:33 < Rozza> Hey Wombert and v-dogg 
08:33 < Rozza> its going ok(ish)
08:34 < Rozza> btw Wombert I went to a pet shop with Imogen at the weekend and they had a Chuckwalla for sale!!
08:34 < horros> Huomenta.
08:34 < Rozza> £250
08:34 < Rozza> Huomenta
08:34 < v-dogg> haha
08:41 < Wombert> no kidding?
08:41 < Wombert> but 250 bucks
08:41 < Wombert> dude
08:42 < Rozza> I was more interested in the Cayman Crocodiles they had
08:42 < Rozza> £1250 each
08:43 < v-dogg> just go and grab one from the sewer :p
08:44 < v-dogg> I'm sure all the sewers in the UK are filled with pet crocs ;)
08:45 < Rozza> DONT TALK TO ME ABOUT SEWERS
08:45 < Rozza> zomg
08:45 < Rozza> we have a shared sewer and its blocked
08:46 < CIA-56> david * r3480 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG CHANGELOG-0.10 CHANGELOG-0.9): new changelog structure
08:46 < v-dogg> shared sewers are like shared hosts - if something goes wrong you have to worry about other peoples shit :)
08:47 < CIA-56> david * r3481 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG CHANGELOG-0.10 CHANGELOG-0.9): merge [3479:3480/branches/0.11]
08:47 < Rozza> I'm tweeting that one!
08:47 < _cheerios> :)
08:47 < v-dogg> hehe
08:48 < Wombert> Rozza: heh
08:48 < Wombert> was it fat?
08:48 < Wombert> the chuckwalla I mean
08:48 < Wombert> and what did you buy for imogen
08:48 < Wombert> hamster?
08:48 < Rozza> pre-obese I'd say
08:48 < Wombert> in true chuckwalla spirit, then
08:49 < Rozza> nothing just went for a look - its cheaper than the Zoo ;) :p
08:49 < Wombert> ah, tough times
08:49 < Rozza> brb coffee!!
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08:58 < mib_fmv0vv> huomenta
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08:59 < radut> anybody here?
09:00 < Rozza> back
09:00 < Rozza> hmm nothing like bad coffee from the canteen
09:02 < radut> does anyone know how the slots from Agavi 0.11 are handled in 1.0?
09:03 < v-dogg> radut: slot handling hasn't changed as far as I remember
09:04 < radut> well
09:04 < v-dogg> so to answer your question, yes many of us know :)
09:04 < fnordfish> Huomenta
09:05 < radut> v-dogg:  I'm switching from agavi 0.11 to 1.0 and I'm getting an error that sais Could not find View "Slots_QuickAccessSuccess" for module "Default"
09:05 < radut> while in the 0.11 this error does not appear and the Slot is found
09:05 < radut> :)
09:07 < Wombert> class names must be fully qualified now
09:07 < radut> ?
09:07 < radut> Wombert: what do you mean by fully qualified?
09:08 < v-dogg> MyModule_MyActionSubDirectoryAction
09:09 < v-dogg> in MyAction/SubDirectoryAction.class.php
09:09 < v-dogg> oh, wait, no
09:09 < v-dogg> MyModule_MyAction_SubDirectoryAction
09:10 < radut> waw
09:10 < radut> that was it :)
09:10 < radut> thanks 
09:11 < radut> short question : any estimation on when will 1.0 stable ?
09:11 < radut> *be stable
09:11 < v-dogg> and another thing: Slots might turn out to be a not-perfect module name when you decide to use an action both as a slot and as a normal action :)
09:12 < radut> uhh
09:12 < radut> good to know
09:13 < v-dogg> if you are asking about the stable release I cannot answer. but 1.0 is already "stable" as in "can I install this in production"
09:13 < v-dogg> I'm using it in production in several projects
09:14 < radut> okays, thanks v-dogg
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09:40 < CIA-56> david * r3484 /branches/1.0/CHANGELOG: new CHANGELOG structure up until 1.0.0 beta 4
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10:00 < CIA-56> david * r3486 /branches/1.0/CHANGELOG: new CHANGELOG structure up until 1.0.0 beta 6
10:01 < E_mE> huomenta
10:33 < CIA-56> david * r3487 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG CHANGELOG-0.11): finished new CHANGELOG structure
10:38 < CIA-56> david * r3488 /branches/0.11/CHANGELOG: typo fix
10:40 < CIA-56> david * r3489 /branches/1.0/CHANGELOG: formatting fixes
10:41 < Fou4th> Is it possible to get debug information like which actions,views or templates were executed?
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10:57 < radut> Fou4th: there is a tool for that ... I haven't use it
10:59 < radut> http://adt.projectbin.org/
10:59 < Fou4th> hmm
10:59 < Fou4th> thanks
11:21 < CIA-56> david * r3490 /branches/1.0/CHANGELOG-0.11: merge [3481:3489/branches/0.11]
11:27 < CIA-56> david * r3491 /branches/0.11/ (2 files in 2 dirs): code style fixes
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11:28 < CIA-56> david * r3492 /branches/1.0/etc/phing/AgaviPackageTask.php: merge [3490:3491/branches/0.11]
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11:31 < CIA-56> david * r3493 /branches/1.0/ (10 files in 8 dirs): code style fixes
11:35 < CIA-56> david * r3494 /branches/1.0/src/ (7 files in 4 dirs): even more code style fixes
11:36 < CIA-56> david * r3495 /branches/0.11/src/database/AgaviAdodbDatabase.class.php: code style fixes
11:37 < CIA-56> david * r3496 /branches/1.0/src/database/AgaviAdodbDatabase.class.php: merge [3492:3495/branches/0.11]
11:44 < CIA-56> david * r3497 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php: phpdoc cleanup...
11:47 < CIA-56> david * r3498 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php: more phpdoc...
11:47 < hashZILLA> excuse me. what is the url format for agavi if not using rewrite rules? i guess something like http://www.domain.com/index.php?/route&query=string
11:48 < CIA-56> david * r3499 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php: more style fixes...
11:49 < CIA-56> david * r3500 /branches/1.0/test/lib/config/AgaviTestingConfigCache.class.php: adjust AgaviTestingConfigCache::callHandler() signature
11:50 < CIA-56> david * r3501 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php: mmmmm I hope this is it for now...
11:51 < Wombert> just path info, hashZILLA 
11:51 < Wombert> and it does figure that out automatically and generate the corresponding routes
11:51 < Wombert> so nothing you need to do
11:54 < Fou4th> is it possible to execute another view from current view?
12:00 < PyroBilly> I heard a rumour that Agavi has some built-in support for multiple-request forms (e.g. wizards) wherein submitted values are persisted between requests automatically. Is this true? I'd ask our local expert but he's ill, much like the rest of the UK.
12:07 < Fou4th> Fatal error: Call to undefined method AgaviValidationReport::getFailedArguments() in /usr/share/php/agavi/validator/AgaviValidationManager.class.php on line 661
12:07 < Fou4th> is it known bug?
12:10 < Fou4th> o, it's fixed in the trunk
12:16 < CIA-56> david * r3502 /branches/1.0/CHANGELOG-0.11: remove 0.11.6 RC1 changelog entries until that is released
12:19 < Fou4th> but doesn't work...
12:21 < v-dogg> trunk? 
12:21 < hashZILLA> Hey Womb.. i'm having a problem with my nginx routing not working - i have this: rewrite ^/([^?]*)(?:\?(.*))?$ /index.php?/$1&$2 last;
12:21 < Fou4th> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/963
12:22 < Fou4th> bug is in the beta6, when the next version of 1.0.0 branch will be released?
12:22 < hashZILLA> so can i use something to test? /index.php?/route&query=string or soemthing
12:24 < Fou4th> is there any kind of daily build available via pear channel?
12:24 < Wombert> nop Fou4th 
12:24 < Fou4th> well, is svn.agavi.org/branches/1.0/src/ stable?
12:25 < v-dogg> yes
12:25 < Fou4th> ok
12:26 < Wombert> pin it to a revision, maybe
12:28 < Wombert> hashZILLA: as I said
12:28 < Wombert> path info only
12:29 < Wombert> index.php/blah ...
12:30 < hashZILLA> i see. thanks i'll try and sort it out. 
12:30 < Wombert> hashZILLA: I suppose nginx doesn't support (?:) style subpatterns or so
12:32 < Wombert> try http://wiki.codemongers.com/NginxRewriteMultiCondExample
12:32 < Wombert> and have several branches
12:32 < Wombert> or routes with query string and without
12:32 < Wombert> hmm but it does seem to support this
12:32 < hashZILLA> yeh it works but i can't get the querystring passed in
12:33 < hashZILLA> so .com/route works
12:33 < hashZILLA> but .com/route?id=1 doesnt
12:33 < Wombert> then it probably doesn't support capturing patterns inside a non-capturing
12:33 < Wombert> it works, but just doesn't arrive?
12:33 < hashZILLA> well the action doesn;t get called as expected
12:33 < Wombert> did you var_dump($_SERVER); inside index.php to be sure?
12:33 < Wombert> hmmm
12:33 < Wombert> maybe it's doing something weird
12:33 < hashZILLA> i'll check that
12:34 < Wombert> can't say, I don't have an nginx install right now
12:34 < Wombert> I could try tomorrow
12:34 < hashZILLA> ok i'll keep trying anyway... thanks
12:35 < v-dogg> Fou4th: where do you get this validation error by the way?
12:36 < Wombert> have you tried "break" instead of "last", hashZILLA 
12:36 < hashZILLA> ok so request_uri = /alias1?id=1 and QUERY_STRING = /alias1&&id=1 - that;s not right is it?
12:37 < Wombert> yes, that looks wrong
12:37 < hashZILLA> so query string should be id=1 right?
12:37 < Wombert> no
12:37 < Wombert> query string should be /alias&id=1
12:37 < hashZILLA> i see ok
12:38 < hashZILLA> i'll fix
12:38 < Wombert> wait
12:38 < Wombert> rewrite ^/([^?]*)$ /index.php?/$1 last;
12:38 < Wombert> try that please
12:38 < Wombert> I think nginx always appends query string args
12:38 < Fou4th> v-dogg, which one?
12:38 < hashZILLA> looks good
12:38 < Fou4th> fatal error?
12:39 < Wombert> yea, hashZILLA?
12:39 < Wombert> aces
12:39 < hashZILLA> yep looks like the ticket
12:40 < hashZILLA> thank you
12:40 < v-dogg> Fou4th: yep, that bug
12:40 < Wombert> hashZILLA: greatness
12:40 < hashZILLA> indeed
12:40 < Wombert> remind me/us/someone to document that somewhere :)
12:40 < Wombert> also
12:40 < Fou4th> $this->getContainer()->getValidationManager()->getErrorNames();
12:40 < Fou4th> in the view
12:40 < Wombert> mind you nginx has -d and -f support
12:40 < Wombert> you can use that
12:40 < Fou4th> ErrorView class
12:40 < hashZILLA> ans -e
12:40 < Wombert> like in apache
12:40 < hashZILLA> and -e
12:40 < v-dogg> Fou4th: k
12:40 < Wombert> so you don't need static exclusion rules
12:40 < Wombert> yea
12:40 < hashZILLA> yep got that
12:40 < Fou4th> I've downloaded branches/1.0, it's working ok now
12:41 < v-dogg> Fou4th: you asked about debug stuff earlier. http://adt.projectbin.org/ is probably the best tool available
12:42 < hashZILLA> http://pastebin.com/m5e1b4539 - nginx rewrite rule example
12:42 < Wombert> winner
12:42 < hashZILLA> happy new year indeed. back to work!
12:43 < v-dogg> Fou4th: firephp is the recommended output type but it does support HTML too. HTML is injected into the reponse so it can be troublesome
12:44 < Wombert> lunchtiem
12:44 < Fou4th> v-dogg, yep, I've seen it, looks fine for me
12:45 < Fou4th> Is it ok to use models in the validators?
12:45 < v-dogg> yes
12:45 < Fou4th> good
12:46 < Fou4th> How can I choose template from the view's executeHtml() method?
12:47 < Fou4th> When validator fails it may cause at least two kinds of errors: input errors and some very fatal errors whose cannot be normally displayed to user (i.e. first kind displays form, second - just error message)
12:48 < Fou4th> of course I can do this stuff in one template
12:48 < Fou4th> <?php if ($t['ok']): ?> etc
12:50 < Fou4th> but I want to some kind of redirect (not $this->getResponse()->setRedirect(...) )
12:55 < liutis> Fou4th, set template  $this->getLayer('content')->setTemplate("SomeInput");
12:56 < Fou4th> liutis, thanks
13:04 < v-dogg> Fou4th: this might interest you: http://blog.veikko.fi/post/68773061/agavi-tip-checking-validation-results
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13:14 < Fou4th> v-dogg, great, exact match :)
13:15 < bobbytek2> why bad idea v-dogg?
13:18 < v-dogg> umm.. what was that again, bobbytek2 ?-)
13:18 < bobbytek2> v-dogg: <parameter name="dom_resolve_externals">true</parameter>
13:19 < v-dogg> ah
13:19 < v-dogg> because it resolves then on each request
13:19 < bobbytek2> is that the superset of resolve entities?
13:20 < bobbytek2> oh really?
13:20 < bobbytek2> instead of caching?
13:20 < v-dogg> as far as I know
13:20 < v-dogg> you'd need to use some network proxy or something if you wanted them cached
13:21 < bobbytek2> what about removing that setting?
13:21 < v-dogg> but why do you need those? 
13:21 < bobbytek2> the only reason I put it in is that someone told me I needed to in order to prevent FPF errors :/
13:21 < v-dogg> I mean why don't use use actual characters (utf-8 has about every char you'll ever need) and/or use numerical entities
13:22 < v-dogg> I think the only entity you need with utf-8 is &nbsp; which can be replaced with &#160;
13:22 < bobbytek2> Ask my designer :/
13:22 < v-dogg> smack your designer
13:23 < bobbytek2> how come no other html processing engine I know of has this issue?
13:23 < bobbytek2> aren't these standard entities?
13:25 < v-dogg> standard html, but fpf parses the document as xml (by default)
13:25 < bobbytek2> ah
13:25 < bobbytek2> why though?
13:26 < bobbytek2> it doesn't even have an xml processing instruction
13:26 < v-dogg> you can use parse_as_html or something but then you might get libxml problems then
13:26 < v-dogg> libxml has issues with html
13:26 < bobbytek2> hmm, damn gina
13:27 < bobbytek2> So  &#160; doesn't need resolving?
13:27 < v-dogg> no
13:27 < bobbytek2> I need to learn more about entities
13:27 < bobbytek2> so it's not external?
13:33 < bobbytek2> isn't it less semantic markup with numeric character references?
13:34 < bobbytek2> Probably not I guess
13:34 < bobbytek2> Not that I'm a zealot or anything
13:37 < Fou4th> when I create slot using createSlotContainer(), newly created slot doesn't have any parameters
13:37 < Fou4th> on beta6 it worked, on branches/1.0 doesn't
13:38 < Fou4th> getParameters() contains just 'module' and 'action' elements
13:39 < Wombert> bobbytek2: if you use utf8
13:39 < Wombert> then you don't need entities
13:39 < Wombert> except the standard xml ones, and a couple of others, like &#160;
13:39 < Wombert> Fou4th: validate your input :)
13:40 < Fou4th> Wombert, validator doesn't work
13:40 < Fou4th> already checked
13:40 < Wombert> do you have an execute*() method in the action?
13:40 < Fou4th> nope
13:40 < Wombert> you need that
13:41 < Wombert> that's how the validation system works
13:41 < bobbytek2> is there any advantages to character entitie references?
13:41 < bobbytek2> entity
13:41 < Fou4th> well, it's working now
13:42 < Fou4th> so since some commit after beta6 it's not possible now access parameters from "parent" container?
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13:44 < Wombert> no
13:44 < Wombert> there was a bug that let you access unvalidated request data in views if the action didn't serve the current request method
13:44 < Wombert> that was fixed
13:46 < Fou4th> so why I have to validate parameters passed by myself?
13:47 < Fou4th> So if I'm going to pass some class instance into slot I have to write validator?
13:48 < Wombert> no; you can mark the slot "simple", and then validation will be skipped, and only internally passed arguments will be available
13:48 < Wombert> public function isSimple() { return true; } in the action
13:48 < Wombert> if that slot is "dual use", you can return (bool)$this->getParameter('is_slot'); so it's only "simple" when run as a slot
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13:48 < MrJeep> morning
13:48 < Wombert> mind you however that isSimple() means that no validation is performed, and no filters are run - that includes the security filter
13:49 < Fou4th> hmm
13:49 < Fou4th> well, I think I won't forget that :)
13:50 < Fou4th> nooo, I HOPE that I won't forget :)
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14:00 < v-dogg> huomenta digitarald 
14:01 < digitarald> Huomenta v-dogg
14:01 < digitarald> Huomenta rest
14:05  * E_mE nods at digitarald 
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14:06 < digitarald> so, what's the plan for 2009? Same as last year?
14:06 < digitarald> ... world domination?
14:06 < Wombert> how about "finishing the forge"? :p
14:06 < digitarald> v-dogg: just saw your dev activity log ... *checking*
14:08 < digitarald> Wombert: amazing idea, working on it for 2 days already :) ... but we had guests over the holidays (they ended yesterday in Spain)
14:10 < digitarald> But u saw the commits on github ...
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14:11 < Rozza>  huomenta digitarald 
14:12 < digitarald> Huomenta Rozza :)
14:12 < digitarald> v-dogg: http://github.com/digitarald/redracer/tree/master/vendor/adt/filter/AdtDebugFilter.class.php
14:13 < digitarald> added doctrine profiling, if you want to copy it
14:14 < digitarald> output is here: http://github.com/digitarald/redracer/tree/master/vendor/adt/filter/AdtDebugFirePhpFilter.class.php#L36
14:14 < digitarald> I played with my own version of custom sources for ADT
14:14 < Rozza> v-dogg - liking the debugger :D
14:16 < v-dogg> Rozza: thanks :)
14:17 < v-dogg> digitarald: I was just about to ask you about that. I'll whip up a doctrine data source from that
14:19 < digitarald> the profiler is pretty simple, but ping me if you need documented code snippets
14:20 < digitarald> I think I worked on the output template, but have to check my changes against your code
14:22 < digitarald> damn, its so cold in the new office ... can't put honey in my tea because its frozen
14:24 < Wombert> lawl
14:24 < Wombert> where is that?
14:24 < Wombert> still palma?
14:25 < v-dogg> digitarald: then you need to put tea in the honey :)
14:25 < Fou4th> is there any example of using "or" in validator xml files?
14:26 < Fou4th> I've tried some nested <validators> blocks inside <validator class="or">
14:26 < digitarald> Wombert: Palma, sure ... near the icebergs
14:26 < Fou4th> but it doesn't work as I want
14:27 < digitarald> But 3° is definitely too cold for Spain
14:28 < v-dogg> Fou4th: just a sec
14:28 < Wombert> ehehehe v-dogg 
14:28 < Wombert> finnish ingenuity :>
14:30 < v-dogg> Fou4th: how did you expect it to work?
14:31 < Fou4th> v-dogg, I expect grouping
14:33 < v-dogg> Wombert: it isn't possible to "hook into" agavi's autoload and add classes/files to it manually, is it?-)
14:33 < v-dogg> Fou4th: elaborate
14:35 < Fou4th> <validator class="or"> consists of <validators> element, if one of <validators> elements is TRUE then <validator class="or"> is TRUE
14:35 < Fou4th> etc
14:36 < digitarald> v-dogg: tea in honey: didn't work, its not glas, its a plastic bottle to squeeze
14:36 < Wombert> v-dogg: Agavi::$autoloads['Foo'] = 'Lolz.class.php';
14:36 < Wombert> :>
14:36 < Wombert> v-dogg: for ze filter?
14:36 < v-dogg> yeah
14:37 < digitarald> because of Doctrine?
14:37 < v-dogg> because of the increasing number of files :)
14:38 < v-dogg> it should know what files to load without the need to put them into project's autoload.xml
14:39 < Fou4th> well, I found cause of my problem
14:39 < E_mE> i wish someone would invent a vector camera ;D take the true wonderment of maths and combine it to a photograph ;D
14:39 < v-dogg> Fou4th: umm.. are you saying it doesn't work like that or that it should work like that? because I think it does work like that and it should work like that 
14:39 < Fou4th> if validator element contains not defined argument it is not executed
14:40 < v-dogg> yup
14:40 < v-dogg> the parameter must be non-empty
14:40 < Fou4th> so it's ok now :)
14:41 < v-dogg> you can change this with your own validators but agavi's core validators work like this always
14:41 < Fou4th> including AgaviValidator ?
14:42 < v-dogg> what do you mean? that's the base class, not an actual validator
14:42 < Fou4th> I understand, my validator extends AgaviValidator
14:43 < Fou4th> and it doesn't work on missing parameters
14:43 < v-dogg> yeah and in those validators you can override checkAllArgumentsSet()
14:47 < Wombert> with required="false", you mean, Fou4th 
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15:53 < Rozza> zomg drains - still blocked :(
15:54 < Rozza> a 'Drainage Consultant' failed to clear it and then found out all the drains in the street are backed up
15:54 < Rozza> 90 mins on phone to waterboard, council, highways office - no one would admit liability
15:55  * Rozza hacked off
15:55 < Rozza> But waterboard came out and confirmed it was fixed and said as a gesture of goodwill will clear it
15:55  * Rozza is gonna have a bath tonight!!!
15:56 < Rozza> <end rant/>
15:56 < Rozza> :D
15:56 < E_mE> its the water boards responsiblity
15:56 < E_mE> after all you pay for sewage clean up?
15:56 < E_mE> Rozza: ive got a broken boiler =P 
15:57 < E_mE> loads of fail atm
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16:21 < Fou4th> hmm
16:21 < Fou4th> When some validators inside 'or' validator fail they mark their attributes as error?
16:22 < Wombert> Drainage Consultant
16:22 < Wombert> ahaha
16:23 < Wombert> srsly, british craftsmen
16:23 < Wombert> horrible
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16:24 < Wombert> but glad to hear you won't smell bad tomorrow, Rozza 
16:24 < Wombert> also, showering >>> taking baths in these tough times!
16:24 < Wombert> especially with the pound so weak now that you barely get one euro for it!
16:25 < Wombert> also
16:25 < Wombert> impl: poek
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16:59 < CIA-56> david * r3503 /branches/0.11/src/database/AgaviPropelDatabase.class.php: phpdoc fixes
17:02 < Fou4th> Wombert, there declared two parameters in the validator/AgaviStringValidator.class.php: min_error and max_error
17:03 < Fou4th> They will be implemented, right?
17:04 < Wombert> eh?
17:05 < Wombert> <error for="min"> ?
17:07 < Fou4th> ammm
17:07 < Fou4th>  * Parameters:
17:07 < Fou4th>  *   'min'       string should be at least this long
17:07 < Fou4th>  *   'min_error' error message when string is shorter then 'min'
17:07 < Fou4th>  *   'max'       string should be at most this long
17:07 < Fou4th>  *   'max_error' error message when string is longer then 'max'
17:07 < Wombert> uh
17:07 < Fou4th> cut from validator/AgaviStringValidator.class.php
17:07 < Wombert> yeah that's probably wrong then
17:07 < Fou4th> ok
17:07 < Wombert> <error for="min"> etc
17:09 < Wombert> hoem tiem
17:09 < Wombert> can't be bothered
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17:21 < Fou4th> looks like AgaviStringValidator never works for empty string
17:21 < Fou4th> s
17:21 < Rozza> :D Wombert
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17:30 < graste> does this answer it? (just a question) http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_10
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17:42 < v-dogg> Fou4th: like was explained earlier no agavi core validators are executed when the argument is empty or non-existent
17:43 < v-dogg> "executed" meaning nothing is validated. required error is of course thrown if the parameters is required
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17:53 < _cheerios> jee
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19:00 < v-dogg> hmm.. I can't figure out how AgaviDateTimeValidator wants its arguments 
19:00 < v-dogg> anyone has a working sample?
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19:04 < v-dogg> I think this is a bug
19:07 < _cheerios> bugs in php code are not possible! </tired>
19:08 < bobbytek2> Anyone know how you can tell if crontab is running in cygwin?
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19:09 < Wombert> nom
19:09 < v-dogg> Wombert: bug bug bug
19:09 < Wombert> lies
19:09 < Wombert> where
19:09 < v-dogg> no! truth!
19:09 < v-dogg> validators.rng
19:10 < v-dogg> name attribute missing for <argument>
19:10 < Wombert> :<
19:10 < Wombert> still?
19:10 < Wombert> wasn't that fixed years ago
19:10 < v-dogg> hold on, verifying
19:10 < Wombert> impl fixed that, pretty sure
19:10 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/942
19:11 < Wombert> <:
19:13 < v-dogg> ooow, new betas want!
19:14 < _cheerios> 4chan is everywhere these days http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/google/4159194/Google-Trends-hit-by-trolls-911-web-stunt.html
19:18 < _cheerios> more seriousness to ze chan: http://darkalucard.890m.com/2008/08/no-sex-since-1955/
19:18 < v-dogg> http://blog.veikko.fi/post/68983308/agavi-tip-validation-gotchas
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19:20 < _cheerios> this blog.name.tld thing is spreading, ic
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19:41 < v-dogg> _cheerios: you can use http://veikko.fi if it feels better :)
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20:02 < bobbytek2> Anyone here use Flot and have a good experience?
20:02 < bobbytek2> It looks pretty neat
20:02 < bobbytek2> Plus, I love me some jquery
20:07 < _cheerios> nope. we use jquery at work, but i haven't done much with it. all moo at home.
20:08 < bobbytek2> well, I like jquery a lot (much better than dojo)
20:08 < bobbytek2> moo looks good 
20:08 < bobbytek2> but I'm not a fan of prototype for my type of web dev (too verbose)
20:09 < bobbytek2> jquery is by far the most terse library I have ever used
20:10 < _cheerios> i used prototype and some other spin-off (rico?) back in 2005, then moved to mootools. jquery reminds me a lot of moo. since i began with moo, hasn't been need to move -- enough work learning one.
20:10 < _cheerios> Flot had nice looking examples
20:11 < bobbytek2> it works in ie6 too :)
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20:54 < impl> MOTHER
20:54 < impl> FUCKING
20:55 < bobbytek2> v-dogg: that seriously improved performance like a mother fucker
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21:27 < Wombert> impl: ahahaha
21:28 < impl> Wombert: my alarm didn't /go off/
21:28 < Wombert> impl: you are such a numpty
21:28 < impl> I woke up at noon and I was like 'MAN FUCK THIS' and I went back to sleep
21:28 < Wombert> lolol
21:28  * Wombert hugs
21:28 < impl> :<
21:29 < Wombert> what time is it now?
21:29 < impl> 4:30
21:29 < impl> PM
21:29 < Wombert> harr
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21:40 < _cheerios> hah!
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21:51 < graste> good time for breakfast i guess
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23:26 < bobbytek4> v-dogg: you chill'n dogg?
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04:43 < Wombert> huomenta
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05:27 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:14 < Wombert_> huomenta v-dogg 
06:14 < Wombert_> <:
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06:15 < Wombert> ohai picasso 
06:15 < Wombert> welcome to Agavi
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07:20 < Wombert> office ->
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08:22 < _cheerios> "PHP 4.4.x before 4.4.9 and PHP 5.2 through 5.2.6, when used as a FastCGI module, allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (crash) via a request with multiple dots preceding the extension, as demonstrated using foo..php" lulz
08:29 < v-dogg> wat?!
08:30 < horros> lol
08:30 < liutis> :)
08:31 < horros> _cheerios: link?
08:32 < _cheerios> from http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB08-231.html and monthly php bug page http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234102 covers it (and others) in more detail
08:33 < _cheerios> i'm on 5.2.6 and using lighttpd. o_O
08:33 < _cheerios> haven't tested if affected. it sounds so silly...
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09:08 < LBO_> huomenta
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09:14 < CIA-56> david * r3504 /branches/0.11/ (RELEASE_NOTES RELEASE_NOTES-0.10 RELEASE_NOTES-0.9): new RELEASE_NOTES structure for 0.11
09:17 < graste> Huomenta
09:26 < CIA-56> david * r3505 /branches/1.0/ (4 files in 2 dirs): merge [3496:3504/branches/0.11]
09:32 < CIA-56> david * r3506 /branches/1.0/ (RELEASE_NOTES RELEASE_NOTES-0.11): 
09:32 < CIA-56> new RELEASE_NOTES structure for 1.0 (again, this does not include 0.11.6-dev
09:32 < CIA-56> release notes until they are released. also, no merging is necessary here
09:32 < CIA-56> because release notes are always only for stable versions, so we don't merge any
09:32 < CIA-56> 0.11 release notes fragments until *after* 1.0
09:32 < CIA-56> david * r3507 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG RELEASE_NOTES): better version placeholders :D
09:33 < CIA-56> david * r3508 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG RELEASE_NOTES): better version placeholders :D
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09:50 < radut> v-dogg: are you here?
09:51 < v-dogg> yup
09:51 < radut> oh ... Huomenta everyone
09:51 < radut> :)
09:51 < radut> v-dogg: question on adt debug tool
09:51 < radut> how do I use it?
09:51 < radut> :D
09:52 < radut> I don't want to use the logger ... 
09:52 < v-dogg> then don't
09:52 < v-dogg> if you are talking about the loggerappender
09:52 < radut> ok
09:53 < radut> and how do I use the html output?
09:53 < radut> where and how should I call it from within the code?
09:53 < radut> is there any document on usage?
09:53 < v-dogg> install and enable the filter according to instructions here: http://adt.projectbin.org/
09:53 < radut> did that
09:53 < v-dogg> you don't call it, it just works
09:53 < radut> and where can I see the results?
09:54 < v-dogg> on the page like shown in the screenshots. if you don't see it something went wrong. 
09:54 < v-dogg> I'd recommend using firephp anyway
09:54 < v-dogg> works a lot nices
09:54 < v-dogg> nicer
09:55 < radut> and how do I switch to firephp as I've configured both in the filter
09:56 < v-dogg> if configured properly, it just works. there's no switch
09:56 < v-dogg> you can use both html and firephp at the same time
09:56 < radut> oh .. okays
09:56 < radut> I see
09:56 < radut> well it seems that I've misconfigured something as it is not working for me yet
09:56 < radut> brb
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09:58 < LBO_> hi v-dogg
09:58 < LBO_> What do you think about that: http://adf.lighthouseapp.com/projects/14987/tickets/14-adt-is-missing-after-forwarding?
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10:05 < v-dogg> if your output doesn't have body and head tags HTML injection fails for now, that's a known issue
10:05 < v-dogg> but why wouldn't your output have those tags? 
10:06 < v-dogg> does forwarding somehow mess up action filters?
10:10 < LBO_> yep
10:10 < LBO_> as I remember debug info is flushed after rendering
10:13 < v-dogg> gotta look into it
10:17 < Wombert> yeah it needs to be a global filter, I'd say
10:17 < Wombert> it can be both
10:17 < Wombert> implement both interfaces :)
10:18 < Wombert> and then there was a way to determine if the filter is running as a global one or not
10:23 < v-dogg> yeah, now that you mention this I remember you talking about it before
10:26 < LBO_> :)
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11:52 < saracen> halp
11:53 < saracen> Wombert: $this->getResponse()->setRedirect($this->getContext()->getRouting()->gen('contact'));
11:53 < Wombert> so?
11:54 < saracen> Well, when a redirect happens, has the way its done changed? Is the template loaded along with the browers redirect request now?
11:54 < Wombert> not by default
11:54 < Wombert> I think
11:55 < saracen> Hmm. Well, I used to have a removeAttribute (flash messages) in my template. Now when my contact form has been sent, and I redirect back to the input
11:55 < saracen> The message has already been removed from the template
11:55 < Wombert> 		if(!$this->redirect || $this->getParameter('send_redirect_content', false)) {
11:55 < Wombert> 			$this->sendContent();
11:55 < Wombert> 		}
11:55 < Wombert> in 1.0
11:56 < saracen> Where would the setting 'send_redirect_content' reside?
11:56 < Wombert> in factories.xml, of course :)
11:56 < Wombert> but
11:56 < Wombert> that stuff is buggy
11:56 < Wombert> I just noticed
11:57 < Wombert> it'll send a content-length of 0 no matter what
11:57 < saracen> <parameter name="send_content_length">false</parameter>
11:57 < saracen> Thats all i have in factories
11:57 < Wombert> then... I don't know :p
11:57 < saracen> Well, it def gets rendered. I can put a die message in there, and it hits it =(
11:57 < Wombert> die('lol'); in the template?
11:57 < saracen> :P
11:58 < Wombert> oh well
11:58 < Wombert> yes
11:58 < Wombert> it gets rendered, of course
11:58 < Wombert> the question is just if it gets sent or not
11:58 < saracen> Oh. Well, how do I prevent it getting rendered?
11:58 < Wombert> how could setting a redirect on the response prevent the template stuff in a completely different place!???
11:58 < Wombert> uhm... return from the method? :p
11:58 < Wombert> don't load a layout?
11:58 < Wombert> dunno what your code looks like
11:58 < saracen> Don't load a layout! Thats the one.
11:59 < saracen> I forgot I usually dont put that code in ;x
11:59 < saracen> Sorry, I'm an idiot =(
11:59 < saracen> works now :P
12:03 < CIA-56> david * r3509 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/response/AgaviWebResponse.class.php): Fixed #972: AgaviWebResponse sends Content-Length header with value 0 even if 'send_redirect_content' option is enabled
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13:07 < bobbytek4> Wombert: huomenta
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14:09 < MrJeep> good morning
14:12 < _cheerios> ajaxian looks a bit too messed up to read today
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14:19 < MrJeep> I agree :P
14:23 < v-dogg> heh
14:37 < Wombert> man
14:37 < Wombert> ajaxian
14:37 < Wombert> this guy
14:37 < Wombert> the clueless one
14:37 < Wombert> dionalala
14:37 < Wombert> he works at google
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14:48 < PyroBilly> he's a PR hire, not an engineering one
14:48 < PyroBilly>  /snark
14:50 < Wombert> ah
14:50 < Wombert> guessed so
14:53 < Wombert> impl: poeeeek
14:53 < Wombert> zomg he overslept again
14:54 < CIA-56> dominik * r3510 /branches/1.0/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
14:54 < CIA-56> - handle malformed paths in AgaviArrayPathDefinition by throwing an exception
14:54 < CIA-56> - update all relevant parts which use AgaviArrayPathDefinition and handle the exception if needed
14:54 < CIA-56> - adjust tests
14:54 < CIA-56> closes #973
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15:02 < MrJeep> Wombert: why do you say he's clueless ?
15:02 < Wombert> because loads of his articles are factually wrong
15:02 < MrJeep> arg
15:02 < Wombert> or clearly show that he doesn't understand what he's talking about
15:02 < MrJeep> and I thought that was a good site
15:03 < Wombert> oh, it's not a bad site
15:03 < Wombert> it's excellent to keep track of what's going on in ajax, js, html, ...
15:03 < MrJeep> I kinda bookmarked it thinking, hum that might be interesting to read to... yeah keep track
15:03 < Wombert> but it's very often much better to click the links and read the originals
15:03 < graste> good if you want to know some news about libs or something
15:03 < Wombert> and not rely on dion's summarys :p
15:03 < PyroBilly> it's a good place to find out about better devs
15:03 < graste> too much noise there imho
15:03 < MrJeep> noted :) 
15:05 < MrJeep> anyone knows good site then ?
15:05 < PyroBilly> I finished reading the internet over the holidays, but it's all rubbish
15:05 < graste> www.agavi.org
15:05 < graste> ^^
15:05 < MrJeep> lol
15:06 < MrJeep> good site to keep track of what happening in the web dev
15:06 < graste> =)
15:06 < MrJeep> made by someone who knows what's he's talking about :)
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16:14 < Rozza> huomenta
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16:15 < _cheerios> jee
16:15 < Rozza> check this out: http://agileweb.org/post/10790787/Awesome-cover-of-HotChip-s-Ready-for
16:16 < Rozza> funky :D
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16:20 < _cheerios> Rozza, nice!
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16:26 < Rozza> takes time but rocks
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16:30 < _cheerios> on youtubes music, no cover (mix), but had me repeating it a few hundred times http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pttccfzlb2w
16:32 < Rozza> that safe for work?
16:32 < Rozza> :p
16:32 < _cheerios> it does say "shit" in it
16:33 < v-dogg> youtube is always safe for work
16:33 < v-dogg> prove me wrong, please :)
16:33  * v-dogg wants dirt :p
16:33 < Rozza> :D
16:56 < _cheerios> "The other half don't disagree, they just find that fact enormously depressing" hehe
17:00 < _cheerios> i do need to read some literature moore. too much boring it stuff has plagued me for months!
17:02 < CIA-56> dominik * r3511 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/validator/AgaviDateTimeValidator.class.php): 
17:02 < CIA-56> the datetime validator can now handle unix timestamps and unix timestamps in milliseconds as input argument
17:02 < CIA-56> closes #974
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17:21 < Wombert> hoem tiem
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18:00 < _cheerios> "I earned my first money by creating a blackmarket in secondary school for sexual explicit material, which I bought cheap and sold expensive. This was one of the reasons I had to leave this school." // heh, planetphp 7things stuff has some originals
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18:37 < Wombert> re
18:37 < v-dogg> hey
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22:58 < hashZILLA> problem? http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/introduction.html
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02:33 < bobbytek4> what's "hoem tiem"
02:33 < bobbytek4> is that some german street slang?
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05:40 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:44 < aka-> huomenta!!!
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05:50 < Wombert> oww
05:51 < Wombert> eh
05:51 < Wombert> huomenta :>
05:51  * Wombert stabs impl 
05:51 < impl> SDLKJFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
05:51 < impl> I failed again. :<
05:52 < impl> BUT I remembered what I wanted to show you
05:52 < impl> http://us.php.net/manual/en/domdocument.normalizedocument.php
05:53 < impl> can we use that instead of ->loadXML(->saveXML())?
06:12 < Wombert> try it :>
06:12 < Wombert> if it does the trick in case of these xinclude node bugs etc... sure
06:13 < Wombert> (I don't have a suitable version for testing that)
06:13 < Wombert> impl: what do we do now wrt rng/xsd?
06:13 < impl> rape libxml developers until they give us what we want?
06:13 < Wombert> my suggestion would be to use rng for the base validation (<configurations> is the root and a bit of that stuff) and go back to xsd (gah) for the rest
06:13 < Wombert> and change the handling so that it collects all validation info first and outputs it together
06:13 < impl> /can/ we do that?
06:14 < Wombert> yeah
06:14 < Wombert> catch and gather them in validate()
06:14 < Wombert> I assume
06:14 < Wombert> right?
06:14 < impl> No, I mean, can we easily mix and match rng and xsd like that?
06:14 < Wombert> why not?
06:14 < Wombert> we simply use rng to assert that the root node is <configurations> and maybe some other things that are easier with rng
06:14 < impl> Because currently the rng's are validating the entire document at once
06:14 < impl> they just reference the _common.rng
06:15 < Wombert> well then we make an envelope.rng that pretty much just checks the start node, and done
06:15 < Wombert> would be my suggestion
06:15 < Wombert> brb shower
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06:37 < Wombert> re
06:37 < v-dogg> hai
06:41 < hashZILLA> hello. It seems that the adt interferes with my soap output type
06:42 < v-dogg> you can define output types for the HTML output
06:43 < hashZILLA> yeh the action filter is set to html but it breaks the soap output type
06:43 < v-dogg> how?
06:44 < hashZILLA> no idea - if i remove it from the action_filter.xml my soap works fine
06:44 < v-dogg> can you please check what actually happens 
06:45 < hashZILLA> http://pastebin.com/d16ce4470 <-action _filter
06:46 < hashZILLA> http://pastebin.com/d4e73b301 <- output_types
06:46 < hashZILLA> so its hard for me to debug the soap because i just get a soap error - empty xml doc
06:47 < hashZILLA> but if i remove the adt from the action_filter it works fine
06:50 < v-dogg> can you paste some of your soap output please?
06:54 < hashZILLA> its an empty soap response according to php-soap
06:54 < hashZILLA> SOAP: SOAP initialise failure: SoapFault exception: [Client] looks like we got no XML document in /mnt/dev/samurai/dev/SoapInterface.class.php:44
06:55 < hashZILLA> strange huh?
06:56 < hashZILLA> seems like it should only affect the html output
07:00 < v-dogg> output type enabling doesn't work
07:00 < hashZILLA> is that a bug then?
07:01 < v-dogg> or hmm... wait 
07:03 < v-dogg> nah, it works
07:03 < Wombert> hashZILLA: <configuration context="soap">
07:03 < Wombert> and put it in there
07:03 < Wombert> obviously
07:03 < Wombert> .....
07:03 < Wombert> to retain the order of output types
07:03 < Wombert> err
07:03 < Wombert> filters
07:04 < Wombert> you can have one global <configuration> section with all filters, but enabled="false"
07:04 < Wombert> then you enable individual filters inside the specific <configuration ...> blocks
07:04 < Wombert> and
07:04 < Wombert> [07:54] hashZILLA: SOAP: SOAP initialise failure: SoapFault exception: [Client] looks like we got no XML document in /mnt/dev/samurai/dev/SoapInterface.class.php:44
07:04 < Wombert> doesn't mean an empty response
07:05 < Wombert> you can do $c->__getLastResponse() if you have the "trace" option on
07:09 < Wombert> anyway
07:09 < Wombert> office tiem
07:09  * Wombert &
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07:16 < v-dogg> btw, I just realized (last night when I couldn't get sleep :) that making adtdebugfilter both global and action filter comes with a nice little side effect - if you only want to debug, say, routing or propel queries you can register it only as a global filter :)
07:16 < v-dogg> oh, he left already :(
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07:22 < hashZILLA> aha so i have so specify the context as well as the environment and not just the output_type. ok works now
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07:34 < hashZILLA> hey v-dogg i extracted the soap response anyway and the exception was this: Fatal error: Call to undefined method AgaviSoapRequestDataHolder::getCookies() in /mnt/dev/samurai/libs/adt/filter/AdtDebugFilter.class.php on line 122
07:35 < v-dogg> ah, of course
07:35 < v-dogg> adt filter only works with web requests
07:35 < v-dogg> for now
07:36 < hashZILLA> right well if i set context to web in teh action filter it works
07:36 < hashZILLA> :)
07:36 < v-dogg> yup
07:37 < v-dogg> but that's of course something that needs to be taken into account soon. thanks for reporting this
07:37 < hashZILLA> no problem
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08:21 < Seldaek> what's up with &nbsp; not being a defined entity (FPF whines) ? I switched to &#160; but .. I just wondered why this happened
08:24 < v-dogg> &nbsp; is defined in HTML and by default FPF parses the document as XML
08:24 < Seldaek> also that error message is highly fucked up imo http://pastie.org/356418
08:24 < Seldaek> ok v-dogg thanks
08:25 < Seldaek> I can't make any sense of that error.. "parse document" Which one? "line 33" Where?
08:26 < Seldaek> especially since afaik I don't have an "unescaped < in attribute value" 
08:27 < v-dogg> enable logging and check the original document
08:28 < Seldaek> ah now that helps :p
08:29 < Seldaek> :) value="<br /><b>Notice</b>:  Undefined index
08:30 < Wombert> :p
08:30 < Wombert> :)
08:30 < Wombert> it logs tne entire document in case of such an error
08:30 < Seldaek> thanks again then v-dogg :p
08:30 < Wombert> that helps
08:30 < Wombert> check ze error log
08:30 < Seldaek> yeah I enabled logs before but never checked what it did
08:32 < Seldaek> Wombert: btw I don't know how caching works exactly yet but I was wondering is it possible to have a magic cache that caches to the file system + memcached ?
08:33 < Seldaek> so it would fill up memcached and for the rest well fallback on the fs (which would load in memcached if possible at the time of reading)
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08:38 < Wombert> yeah Seldaek subclass AgaviExecutionFIlter for that
08:47 < Seldaek> k
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09:03 < Rozza> Huomenta!
09:04 < v-dogg> hey
09:04 < Rozza> Wombert: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7819230.stm
09:04 < Rozza> At the moment - I'd know who uses their ISP for mailing (old grannies?) but its the bigger plans
09:05 < Rozza> other news: Fail of the day - http://failblog.org/2009/01/08/pen-trick-fail/
09:09 < Rendez> Huomenta!
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09:13 < Seldaek> bwahaha the pen 
09:16 < _cheerios> Rozza, lol
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09:55 < Fou4th> http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/introduction.html
09:55 < Fou4th> there is no content on that page
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10:21 < Seldaek> Fou4th: the documentation seems to be messed up indeed
10:29 < PyroBilly1> Are there any issues with FPF using html_entitity_decode to recode named entities to characters before running?
10:29 < PyroBilly1> seems too obvious so I'd guess so
10:31 < hashZILLA> what method do i use to read a custom parameter from the output_types.xml?
10:31 < Seldaek> what's your issue exactly?
10:31 < PyroBilly1> Seldaek: my issue?
10:32 < Wombert> PyroBilly1: why not just not use entities? :p
10:32 < Wombert> alternatively, ext/tidy can do the necessary cleanup
10:32 < Wombert> there's an AgaviTidyFilter
10:32 < Wombert> Rozza: we have the same law here
10:32 < Wombert> it's fucking retarded
10:33 < Wombert> and it's all always justified by "terrorism" or "child porn"
10:33 < PyroBilly1> Or whatever the fear du jour is
10:34 < Wombert> like the australians
10:34 < Wombert> who want internet filters
10:34 < Wombert> that filter out child porn
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10:34 < Wombert> as if that did anything to get rid of the *cause
10:35 < Wombert> filtering out a problem... great idea
10:35 < horros> We have child porn filters here.
10:35 < Wombert> and who gets to decide what is put on the filter list?
10:35 < horros> Which work BRILLIANTLY!
10:35 < PyroBilly1> They should escape on output. Everyone knows that
10:35 < horros> or not.
10:35 < horros> Wombert: Over here it's the central crime police that decide what goes on to the filters 
10:35 < Wombert> PyroBilly1: eh?
10:35 < Rendez> Wombert: ja, it's kind of scary thinking on the filtering table
10:35 < Wombert> horros: *police*?
10:35 < horros> granted, the filters are secret.
10:35 < PyroBilly1> filtering vs. escaping joke that's all
10:35 < Wombert> holy
10:35 < horros> nobody can see them, and they never EVER tell you WHY something is on the list.
10:36 < horros> How's that for 1984.
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10:36 < Fou4th> «unicode test»
10:37 < Seldaek> <<failed>>
10:37 < PyroBilly1> Wombert: regarding named entities, it seems reasonable for FPF not to choke on valid HTML, that's all
10:37 < PyroBilly1> so I would have thought that it's FPF's job to make sure that it doesn't choke
10:37 < Seldaek> Wombert: did you see the docs are down btw?:)
10:38 < PyroBilly1> And Tidy moves our scripts around as well, although there may be ways around that
10:38 < Wombert> Seldaek: yes
10:38 < Seldaek> ok then
10:39 < Wombert> PyroBilly1: FPF *can* do that
10:39 < Wombert> which I think I and others have explained to you before
10:39 < Wombert> your options are
10:39 < Seldaek> Wombert: do you prefer I bother you with questions on irc or the mailing list ? because I  have a bunch of TODO items that include "ask wombert" :p
10:40 < Wombert> * not using XML parsing mode, but HTML parsing mode, which might screw up your markup if libxml decides to be buggy again
10:41 < PyroBilly1> Must have been someone else, but I know well the pain that ensues when attempting to use loadHTML
10:44 < PyroBilly1> but actually the question was not really about FPF per se, (our ancient templates mean there's no chance of making well formed documents) but more about whether using html_entity_decode() when loading HTML into an XML parser had been tried and found wanting
10:50 < Wombert> * load external DTDs
10:55 < Wombert> PyroBilly1: the thing is
10:56 < Wombert> it's quite likely that you'll have docs that are not well-formed xml
10:57 < _cheerios> woot. ping pong table arrived to office  \o/
10:58 < Wombert> _cheerios: nice
10:58 < Wombert> :>
11:02 < Rendez> http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9367
11:07 < v-dogg> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png
11:07 < v-dogg> same topic :)
11:31 < Fou4th> Can I alter validation manager to add some errors? In case I caught exception in the Action class for example
11:33 < Fou4th> As I understand I should modify $vm->getReport()
11:33 < Fou4th> addIncident etc, is it right?
11:34 < v-dogg> $vm->setError(name, message)
11:34 < Fou4th> o, thanks
11:36 < v-dogg> it's a legacy function that just hides the incident instance creation
11:37 < v-dogg> check the source to understand how incidents really work
11:37 < Fou4th> yep, I've already found that
11:54 < saracen> I has odd problem
11:54 < saracen> Redirects use a full url, not just relative ones dont they?
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11:56 < v-dogg> saracen: yes, but agavi completes the url automatically 
11:56 < v-dogg> if you want to generate an absolute url use gen('name', $parameters, array('relative'=>false));
11:58 < saracen> Yeah. My problem is that I've designed an agavi app which accepts any domain pointed to it. This means the HTTP_HOST, or whatever field agavi uses isn't completely correctly.
11:59 < saracen> My fix, was to pass in the options to gen() the hostname, which is retrieved via a routing callback
11:59 < saracen> This works, but now whenever I use gen() I get a full url, rather than a relative
12:00 < saracen> I need a way to pass in my own hostname, dynamically, which will still allow the use of relative generated routes
12:01 < saracen> I was wondering if I could stop passing the host option, and specifically target when agavi chooses to generate the full url
12:02 < Wombert> eh?
12:02 < Wombert> the hostname is wrong?
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12:02 < Wombert> then your apache isn't configured properly
12:02 < Wombert> :)
12:02 < Wombert> or something
12:02 < radut> Huomenta everyone
12:02 < Wombert> it should have the correct value in SERVER_NAME
12:02 < Wombert> you can also tell agavi to use a different field for that value
12:02 < Wombert> it's a request config param
12:03 < saracen> Well, I'm using nginx. If I set up an actual alias for it, it works fine. However, if I use it as the default site, it seems to only want to put in the name of my actual server (sixss)
12:03 < Wombert> <request class="AgaviWebRequest">
12:03 < Wombert>   <parameter name="sources">
12:03 < Wombert>     <parameter name="SERVER_NAME">HTTP_HOST</parameter>
12:03 < Wombert>   </parameter>
12:03 < Wombert> </request>
12:04 < Wombert> <request class="AgaviWebRequest">
12:04 < Wombert>   <parameter name="source_names">
12:04 < Wombert>     <parameter name="SERVER_NAME">HTTP_HOST</parameter>
12:04 < Wombert>   </parameter>
12:04 < Wombert> </request>
12:04 < saracen> Ah, so usually it gets it from SERVER_NAME?
12:04 < Wombert> yes
12:05 < Wombert> because most servers take the dynamic host name from there, and it's safer than HTTP_HOST
12:05 < Wombert> (where you can send random nonsense)
12:05 < saracen> Awesome, HTTP_HOST should work, as thats the source for my routing callback anyway
12:05 < Wombert> it's the first one
12:05 < Wombert> "sources"
12:05 < Wombert> not "source_names"
12:05 < saracen> kk =)
12:06 < Wombert> you can even do
12:06 < Wombert> <request class="AgaviWebRequest">
12:06 < Wombert>   <parameter name="sources">
12:06 < Wombert>     <parameter name="SERVER_NAME">my.static.host</parameter>
12:06 < Wombert>   </parameter>
12:06 < Wombert> </request>
12:06 < Wombert> HTTPS, REQUEST_METHOD, SERVER_NAME, SERVER_PORT and SERVER_PROTOCOL are the possible keys there
12:06 < Wombert> also handy if you're behind load balancers etc
12:09 < Seldaek> Wombert: wouldn't a wiki be a nice thingy to share agavi stuff / random tutorials ?
12:09 < Wombert> absolutely not
12:09 < Wombert> wikis are fail
12:09 < Fou4th> The main goals for 1.0 are comprehensive documentation, new tests for Agavi itself and a complete application testing system that allows unit tests, integration tests and functional tests. Also on the roadmap: complete move to XML-only configuration system with the associated improvements, and a refactoring of the routing. No further features are planned. Agavi 1.0 aims to be fully API compatible with 0.11.
12:09 < Fou4th> hmm
12:09 < Seldaek> Wombert: then what ?
12:09 < Wombert> a forge is coming soon, Seldaek 
12:10 < Seldaek> okay but that's just for code
12:10 < Seldaek> or not?
12:35 < graste> .
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12:55 < Seldaek> so my shitty server blurbs 17pages/sec (ab -c 10 -n 100)
13:26 < graste> Wombert: small bug? http://svn.agavi.org/branches/1.0/src/request/AgaviWebRequestDataHolder.class.php - line 419 - shouldn't that be names instead of name?
13:26 < graste> name instead of names
13:26 < graste> ^^
13:27 < v-dogg> (http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/request/AgaviWebRequestDataHolder.class.php#L419 easier with line numbers)
13:28 < graste> ;)
13:28 < graste> was using svn link :>
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13:28 < graste> next time
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13:46 < bobbytek4> does agavi plan on adding something like: http://haml.hamptoncatlin.com/docs/rdoc/classes/Sass.html
13:49 < v-dogg> no (not that I'm aware of)
13:50 < v-dogg> but my guess is this falls into "not agavi's domain" basket
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13:51 < v-dogg> unlike some other frameworks Agavi doesn't try to re-implement everything from every other framework/library/tool/whatnot
13:52 < Wombert> yes graste 
13:55 < Wombert> eww
13:55 < Wombert> ya
13:55 < Wombert> totally not Agavi's business, that
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13:59 < Rozza> you could always add http://phphaml.sourceforge.net/ to your own app though
13:59 < Rozza> you can choose which ever template language you want
13:59 < Rozza> But using a ruby one may be a challenge .. ;)
14:00 < CIA-56> david * r3512 /branches/1.0/src/request/AgaviWebRequestDataHolder.class.php: fixed typo in [3510], refs #973
14:01 < Wombert> thanks graste 
14:10 < bobbytek4> Well, I guess that's a fundamental difference in philosophy then
14:10 < bobbytek4> agavi wants to be lean and mean I suppose
14:12 < Wombert> nah, I wouldn't say Agavi is lean
14:12 < Wombert> but there is enough things to focus on in the core domain of a framework
14:12 < bobbytek4> compared to zend?
14:12 < Wombert> re-inventing CSS is really the last thing I could care about
14:12 < Wombert> yes, for instance
14:12 < Wombert> they push half-arsed stuff into releases because they don't have time to get them right
14:12 < Wombert> because some jackassery like a dojo integration took too much of their time
14:15 < bobbytek4> hehe
14:15 < bobbytek4> yes
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14:18 < Rozza> anyway isn't sass is supported out the box
14:18 < Rozza> because you process it and then it generates css
14:18 < Rozza> " sass input.sass output.css"
14:19 < Rozza> so all you do is use output.css in your app
14:19 < v-dogg> that's what it says on the page
14:19 < v-dogg> Sass can be used in three ways: as a plugin for Ruby on Rails, as a standalone Ruby module, and as a command-line tool.
14:19 < Rozza> so Agavi supports it :D
14:19 < Rozza> ;)
14:19 < Rozza> :p
14:20 < v-dogg> so "Agavi 1.0 Beta 7 - Now you can use Sass CSS!"
14:20 < v-dogg> yup :)
14:22 < Rozza> but to be fair for production use you would compress the css
14:22 < Rozza> so you'd use another tool to do that
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14:27 < bobbytek4> there is an online yui compressor now
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15:27 < Rozza> Wombert: http://www.phpconference.co.uk
15:27 < Rozza> :D
15:30 < Wombert> you going?
15:30 < Rozza> might do - its one I can afford!
15:31 < Rozza> it was good fun last time
15:31 < Wombert> yeah most are fucking expensive
15:31 < Wombert> well except for the digital freedom bloke
15:31 < Wombert> whatever it was called
15:32 < Wombert> I was given a free pass to php|tek in chicago... worth 1000 bucks, so I'm going. gonna be interesting
15:32 < Wombert> USA USA
15:33 < Rozza> Cool
15:33 < Rozza> that be good :D
15:43 < v-dogg> Wombert: NSA has #agavi logs so you'll go straight to Guantanamo from the passport control
15:44 < Wombert> zomg
15:44 < graste> after being held hostage at the airport for hours
15:44 < graste> :x
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16:16 < Wombert> fixed docs are fixed
16:18 < v-dogg> I noted some filter doc issues while doing the adt refactoring
16:18 < v-dogg> but.. hmm.. :)
16:19 < v-dogg> aa, it was AgaviDispatchFilter
16:19 < v-dogg> it still has copy-paste docs from AgaviExecutionTimeFilter :)
16:24 < Wombert> wat hapen
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16:25 < _cheerios> jee
16:25 < v-dogg> jee jee
16:27 < v-dogg> backups from _July_ and _August_ proved the customer has self deleted some data (somewhere between july and august) and the data was NOT LOST BECAUSE OF AN SOFTWARE UPDATE DONE IN DECEMBER!
16:27 < v-dogg> goddammit I hate these people...
16:28 < horros> v-dogg: I feel you.
16:28 < horros> We've had to dig out logs of what's happened too
16:28 < v-dogg> and they claimed they had edited the data still a day before the update
16:28 < horros> "NO! THE DOCUMENTS JUST DISAPPEARED!"
16:29 < v-dogg> yup...
16:29 < horros> "Umm, user with ID this and this, firstname this, lastname that has deleted that document at nn.nn"
16:29 < Wombert> v-dogg: write a big ass invoice :)
16:29 < v-dogg> Y-E-S S-I-R!
16:34  * horros Janis Joplin/Full tilt boogie - Pearl LP
16:34 < horros> I wish I had some Souther Comfort
16:40 < graste> <:
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16:52 < _cheerios> iz friday. what to do..
16:56 < Wombert> _cheerios: get laid
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16:59 < _cheerios> thats several hours of work
17:00 < graste> ^^
17:02 < CIA-56> david * r3513 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/response/AgaviWebResponse.class.php): 
17:02 < CIA-56> ported [3509/branches/1.0]:
17:02 < CIA-56> Fixed #972: AgaviWebResponse sends Content-Length header with value 0 even if 'send_redirect_content' option is enabled
17:05 < CIA-56> david * r3514 /branches/0.11/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:05 < CIA-56> ported [3510/branches/1.0]:
17:05 < CIA-56> - handle malformed paths in AgaviArrayPathDefinition by throwing an exception
17:05 < CIA-56> - update all relevant parts which use AgaviArrayPathDefinition and handle the exception if needed
17:05 < CIA-56> - adjust tests
17:05 < CIA-56> closes #973
17:05 < CIA-56> ported [3511/branches/1.0]:
17:19  * Wombert sighs
17:19 < Wombert> my plan for makingn the world a better place
17:19 < Wombert> make every person on earth a programmer just for one day
17:20 < Wombert> then everyone will want to speak english, use one currency, one timezone, and no bullcrap like daylight savings time
17:20 < graste> ^^
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17:21 < CIA-56> david * r3515 /branches/0.11/tests2/date/TimeZoneTest.php: 
17:21 < CIA-56> soo.... DST ended in november in pakistan, and as it was introduced as a test in
17:21 < CIA-56> 2008, we're going back to assuming that they don't (compare [2660]), this refs
17:21 < CIA-56> #806. dear pakistanis, could you introduce fixed rules plz, kthx? :)
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17:24 < graste> :D
17:24 < graste> reminds of my months down under
17:25 < graste> driving through the country
17:25 < graste> change timezone due to DST every few hundreds kilometers
17:25 < graste> =)
17:25 < graste> -s
17:26 < graste> at gold coast there where streets with neighbours residing in different timezones
17:26 < graste> nice if you want to meet at dinner time or something
17:26 < graste> ^^
17:27 < CIA-56> david * r3516 /branches/1.0/tests2/date/TimeZoneTest.php: merged [3505:3515/branches/0.11]
17:27 < Wombert> lawl
17:27 < Wombert> nice anecdote, graste 
17:28 < graste> and it's true - border of new south wales and queensland - one has DST the other not
17:28 < graste> just weired - but didn't disturb me as I was just driving around, watching the landscape ;)
17:29 < graste> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f3/Australia-Timezones-Daylight.png/220px-Australia-Timezones-Daylight.png
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17:40 < Rozza> Ciao Bella
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18:12 < Wombert> mmm
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18:41 < _cheerios> heh, latest naruto ending is wack
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18:44 < _cheerios> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BJI_pTR_B34 check it out, in HD ofc!
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18:57 < Fou4th> How can I get full URL of some route? IS there any one method for such purpose?
18:59 < _cheerios> Fou4th, what are you looking for that $ro->gen('myroute') doesn't do for you?
19:00 < Fou4th> I need full url, with schema etc
19:00 < Fou4th> $ro->getBaseHref() and $ro->gen() have the same part
19:01 < Fou4th> basePath
19:01 < Fou4th> Actually I need this URL to pass it to OpenID provider
19:01 < _cheerios> gen() takes a lot of arguments, you can pretty much make it spit out anything you want
19:02 < Fou4th> well, I've found a very few of options
19:02 < Fou4th> refill_all_parameters, use_trans_sid, separator and that's all
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19:04 < Fou4th> also these options are not documented so I don't know is it safe to use them
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19:05 < _cheerios> start with ro->gen('foo',array(),array('relative'=>false)) and then you can add your own schema there, if you need it be something else, or the host, etc
19:05 < Fou4th> Also I can construct URL as it's done in the AgaviWebRouting constructor but maybe there is already exists something
19:06 < Fou4th> thanks, I'll try
19:07 < Fou4th> well, looks exactly what I want
19:07 < Fou4th> thanks again
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19:29 < Fou4th> does agavi understand request parameters with period symbol (.)?
19:29 < impl> It should?
19:30 < Fou4th> I think it should
19:30 < impl> Did you try it?
19:30 < Fou4th> yep
19:30 < impl> umh, so, it works or it doesn't?
19:30 < Fou4th> doesn't
19:30 < impl> hmm
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19:32 < Fou4th> validator doesn't pass such arguments
19:32 < Fou4th> like http://example.com/url?param1=123&param.id=567
19:33 < Fou4th> it passes param1 and doesn't pass param.id
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19:34 < impl> Fou4th: You can't do a <argument>param.id</argument> at all?
19:34 < Fou4th> no
19:34 < impl> wtf
19:34 < Fou4th> 			<validator class="string">
19:34 < Fou4th> 				<argument>openid.mode</argument>
19:34 < Fou4th> 				<error>openid.mode fail</error>
19:34 < Fou4th> 			</validator>
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19:34 < impl> hold on
19:35 < impl> Fou4th: You're using 1.0 right?
19:35 < Wombert> that is a php limitation
19:35 < Wombert> it's param_id or so
19:35 < Wombert> imagine register_globals
19:35 < Wombert> ...
19:36 < Fou4th> hmm
19:36 < Fou4th> impl, 1.0, right
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19:36 < impl> Wombert: I thought it didn't bother fixing them for the superglobal arrays
19:36 < Wombert> ?
19:37 < impl> oh, you're right :>
19:37 < Wombert> imagine register_globals was on
19:37 < Wombert> then it would have to create $param.id
19:37 < impl> Wombert: well it doesn't replace *other* ones
19:37 < Wombert> which isn't a legal var name
19:38 < impl> ?x|y=f -> 'x|y' => string 'f' (length=1)
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19:38 < impl> :\
19:38 < Fou4th> Where agavi takes these values from?
19:38 < Wombert> ?
19:38 < Fou4th> $_GET or something like?
19:38 < Wombert> from $_GET and $_POST ...
19:39 < impl> in fact, seems like it doesn't fix anything besides .
19:39 < Wombert> possible
19:39 < Wombert> dunno
19:39 < Wombert> but it does fix ., right?
19:39 < impl> Yes
19:39 < Wombert> eh wtf
19:39 < Wombert> brb
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19:41 < Fou4th> is it possible to disable $_GET etc cleanup temporarily?
19:41 < impl> I dunno
19:41 < Wombert> yes
19:41 < Wombert> config param ummmm
19:41 < Wombert> dunno
19:42 < Fou4th> unset_input
19:42 < Fou4th> just found
19:42 < Wombert> "unset_input"
19:42 < Wombert> yes
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19:44 < Fou4th> damn
19:44 < Fou4th> it really converts them into underscored names
19:44 < impl> Yeah, PHP does
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19:45 < Fou4th> ok then, will hope that there will not be param_id and param.id in one request
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19:47 < Fou4th> is it possible to access all passed arguments?
19:47 < Fou4th> because their list is not static
19:48 < Fou4th> brrrrrr
19:48 < Fou4th> stop
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19:55 < Fou4th> assume I have an Action class, that handles POST and GET requests, I need to get list of all passed arguments in executeRead() method.
19:56 < Fou4th> How?
19:56 < Fou4th> argument names are unknown
19:59 < Fou4th> ah, never mind
20:00 < Fou4th> not all these arguments actually required so there is no problem anymore
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21:03 < MrJeep> hi
21:03 < MrJeep> I'm having some problem right now
21:03 < MrJeep> weird ones
21:03 < MrJeep> I'm putting a website on a production environment
21:03 < MrJeep> in production mode
21:04 < MrJeep> I have an error which says : 'Error'
21:04 < MrJeep> and nothing else
21:04 < MrJeep> I'm using beta 6
21:05 < MrJeep> riobel.lemieuxbedard.ca
21:05 < MrJeep> Wombert: poke
21:07 < MrJeep> arg
21:07 < MrJeep> that magic quote gpc thing
21:15 < Seldaek> solved?
21:17 < MrJeep> yeah
21:17 < MrJeep> let's say the exception template in production mode is not very helping
21:17 < MrJeep> but I guess this what he's been made for
21:22 < Seldaek> yeah, production shouldn't disclose too much
21:22 < Seldaek> but I guess you can enable logging on production to get more details?
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21:43 < Spica> Huomenta!
21:44 < Wombert> yes
21:45 < Wombert> the exception template also pays attention to display_errors now and just re-throws the exception if its off
21:45 < Wombert> (so no error is revealed, but its visible in the logs)
21:45 < Spica> I just upgraded from 0.11.1-rc1 to 1.0.0beta6. The agavi helper script has changed a bit and appears to require a prefix for my project. I have not used one since the older script did not either support(?) or at least did not require one. Can I just add a prefix now or is there a way to by-pass this? Adding an empty project.prefix=-line to my build.properties file did no good.
21:45 < Wombert> the prefix is just for base classes, Spica 
21:47 < Spica> So I can hit enter when generating new models, modules & actions?
21:52 < Spica> Ah, now I understand how it works. Bril. Thanks Wombert!
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22:27 < graste> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/africa_enl_1231523771/html/1.stm ^^
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22:40 < Wombert> http://blog.wombert.de/post/69460200/the-most-beautiful-game-ever-made
22:40 < Wombert> !!
22:45 < shrink0r> hmm
22:45 < shrink0r> guess I've worked too much today
22:45 < shrink0r> defintely lloks nice
22:45 < shrink0r> *looks
22:46 < shrink0r> but I don't really get it
22:46 < shrink0r> basically just playing around with those light rays?
22:50 < Wombert> ohaiii shrink0r 
22:50 < Wombert> no
22:50 < Wombert> you need to reach the bars
22:50 < Wombert> :)
22:50 < Wombert> happy new year, btw, shrink0r 
22:51 < shrink0r> thx
22:51 < shrink0r> to you too
22:51 < shrink0r> :)
22:51 < shrink0r> ah k
22:51 < shrink0r> got it
22:51 < shrink0r> nice
22:51 < shrink0r> oh mann, guess my iq is under 30 atm
22:51 < shrink0r> total exhausted ^^
22:52 < shrink0r> *totaly
22:52 < shrink0r> it's damn wonder I' still capable of writing half way understanable english
22:52 < shrink0r> *it's a ...
22:52 < shrink0r> ^^
22:53 < shrink0r> btw I really looking forward to input types
22:53 < shrink0r> :)
22:53 < shrink0r> can't wait
22:53 < shrink0r> stupid flash can't send post arrays
22:54 < shrink0r> so either amf remoting or a request wrapper on routing callback that prepares everything
22:54 < shrink0r> input types would come in handy here
23:11 < graste> :)
23:15 < Wombert> shrink0r: ya
23:15 < Wombert> but they're not easy to do
23:15 < Wombert> it's probably going to be more like a transformation layer before validation or so
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23:18 < shrink0r> yeah, tricky one
23:18 < Wombert> like... xml input
23:18 < Wombert> how do you decode it?
23:18 < Wombert> etc
23:19 < shrink0r> yepp, can't wait to see how you guys solve it
23:19 < shrink0r> :)
23:21 < shrink0r> off to bed
23:21 < shrink0r> cya tomorrow
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00:57 < bobbytek4> Does agavi support sgml output?
01:39 < impl> Sure?
01:39 < impl> It supports whatever you want to output
02:28 < graste> gn8 internet
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05:53 < Wombert> re
05:58  * Wombert nudges impl 
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06:08 < CIA-56> david * r3517 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG RELEASE_NOTES): 0.11.6RC1 release preps, #1
06:10  * Wombert stabs impl 
06:11  * impl stabs himself
06:11 < Wombert> 'sup
06:11 < impl> Java is nuts :<
06:11  * Wombert woke up at 7am
06:12  * Wombert on a saturday!
06:12 < Wombert> JAVA?
06:12 < Wombert> :<
06:12 < impl> Yeah, congratulations
06:12 < impl> I mean internally
06:12 < Wombert> <.y
06:12 < Wombert> :Sdsasd
06:13 < impl> // Inline implementation of Thread::current() // Thread::current is "hot" it's called > 128K times in the 1st 500 msecs of // startup.
06:14 < Wombert> ::
06:14 < Wombert> ?
06:14 < impl> This is C++
06:14 < impl> so it's a static method call
06:14 < Wombert> ah
06:14 < Wombert> I THOUGHT JAVA WAS WRITTEN IN JAVA
06:14 < Wombert> :>>
06:14 < impl> It's mostly written in C++ and Assembler
06:15 < impl> (yes, Assembler, I'm not kidding)
06:16 < Wombert> well
06:16 < Wombert> what's so bad about that :p
06:17 < Wombert> it's easier to read than... ML or something
06:17 < Wombert> :ugly:
06:17 < Wombert> MOV AX, 13h
06:17 < Wombert> INT 10
06:17 < Wombert> :>
06:17 < impl> http://pastie.org/357191
06:18 < Wombert> are you hacking it?
06:18 < Wombert> :>
06:19 < impl> I'm trying to make Python's threading implementation not suck
06:19 < Wombert> SO ITS GOOD ENOUGH TO RUN AGAVI?
06:19 < Wombert> :>
06:19 < impl> and the least suck threading implementation I know of is Java's
06:19 < Wombert> :S
06:19 < impl> Seriously, there's so much efficiency in it I don't know where to begin
06:20 < impl>     uintptr_t sp;
06:20 < impl>     __asm__ volatile ("movl %%esp, %0" : "=r" (sp));
06:20 < impl>     return _sp_map[sp >> PAGE_SHIFT];
06:20 < impl> somehow that returns the current thread
06:21 < impl> and their comment on it is "Getting current thread is down to one memory access"
06:21 < Wombert> mmm
06:22 < impl> So somehow the current thread is always stored at the top of the stack? I dunno
06:22 < Wombert> wouldn't a java-esque threading implementation be quite un-pythonic
06:22 < Wombert> yes, looks like it
06:22 < impl> No
06:22 < impl> Their bloody threading module is a shitty rip-off of Java's to begin with
06:22 < impl> it even says so in the source code
06:23 < impl> http://svn.python.org/view/python/branches/py3k/Lib/threading.py?rev=66274&view=auto
06:23 < impl> isn't that silly :>
06:24 < Wombert> ehehe
06:24 < impl> All these Python developers hyping how Pythonic their Python is
06:24 < impl> and then it's all just stolen from Java anyway
06:24 < impl> like the PHP5 object model
06:25 < Wombert> :>
06:25 < impl> totally, completely, utterly stolen from Java
06:25 < Wombert> wat
06:25 < Wombert> dis is implemented in py itself
06:25 < Wombert> mhm
06:25 < impl> Yeah
06:25 < Wombert> that's not very fast, is it
06:25 < impl> There's a lower-level one
06:25 < impl> written in C
06:25 < impl> No, it's not :P
06:25 < impl> which is why I'm going to fix it
06:25 < Wombert> oh
06:25 < Wombert> two?
06:25 < impl> Yeah, it imports a thread module
06:26 < impl> which it abstracts
06:26 < impl> the thread module is written in just C
06:26 < impl> the GIL makes Python suck a bit for threads anyway
06:26 < impl> and the whole thing makes me want to just turn to Java
06:27 < impl> except as soon as I look at Java it turns into J2EE which makes me want to stab myself in the face repeatedly
06:27 < impl> so then I say "well, fuck this, I'll just write my own language"
06:27 < impl> so I wrote about 30 lines of new threading code, get sick of it, and decide to go hack Python some more
06:27 < impl> and that's pretty much how my days go
06:28 < Wombert> lol
06:28 < impl> it's a vicious cycle :(
06:28 < Wombert> :p
06:28 < impl> I can tell what you're thinking too
06:29 < impl> "He could be spending this time fixing Agavi"
06:29 < impl> :<
06:29 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:29 < Wombert> huomenta v-dogg 
06:29 < Wombert> lol impl 
06:29 < v-dogg> haha
06:30 < v-dogg> yeah, impl, go to work! :p
06:30 < Wombert> I was thinking that, plus ", but if it makes him happy... ah man, I wish I was young again, those good old days"
06:30 < Wombert> enjoy it while it lasts :p
06:30 < v-dogg> hahaha
06:30 < Wombert> no, go to bed ^^
06:30 < impl> I'm not going to bed early anymore
06:31 < Wombert> you're just doing it wrong
06:31 < impl> it doesn't matter if I go to bed at 3AM or midnight, I always wake up at 2
06:31 < impl> :<
06:31 < Wombert> my cycle of sleeping awesomeness (I wake up by myself at 6:30 every morning, 100% fit, so ace) started when I spent a couple of days doing nothing
06:31 < Wombert> and sleeping till 4
06:31 < Wombert> then being annoyed, and getting to bed again
06:32 < Wombert> and getting up again
06:32 < Wombert> and then going to bed at 11
06:32 < Wombert> and all of a sudden
06:32 < Wombert> I woke up early and it lasted
06:32 < Wombert> very cool
06:32 < impl> :(
06:32 < impl> you are teh magic
06:32 < Wombert> no, I think it had to do of sleeping 18hrs/day for two or three days in a row
06:33 < Wombert> -of +with
06:33 < Wombert> and now it's very much fixed, which rocks
06:33 < impl> :<
06:42 < CIA-56> david * r3518 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/database/AgaviPropelDatabase.class.php): Fixed 975: Init queries are not run correctly for Propel 1.3
06:46 < v-dogg> guys, enjoy your freedom of sleep while it lasts...
06:47 < impl> v-dogg: NO BABBY FOR IMPL
06:47 < impl> 'sides, you've only got another year or so anyway, then you can sleep again, no?
06:47 < v-dogg> soon-father or two know it doesn't last forever... 
06:47 < v-dogg> *of
06:47 < impl> uh
06:47 < impl> oh
06:47 < impl> :>
06:47 < v-dogg> *knows
06:48 < v-dogg> dammit.. I'm so tired... :D
06:50 < CIA-56> david * r3519 /branches/0.11/RELEASE_NOTES: more release notes
06:50 < v-dogg> release notes is more release notes
06:53 < Wombert> wat
06:53 < Wombert> two?
06:53 < Wombert> awesome!
06:53 < Wombert> congratulations v-dogg 
06:54 < v-dogg> thanks
06:54 < Wombert> how far along is camilla?
06:54 < Wombert> boy or girl? or surprise?
06:55 < v-dogg> gotta learn how to use 'em contraceptives now I think :p
06:55 < v-dogg> it's still too early to tell. it's due at the end of August
06:56 < v-dogg> but I guess we'll find out when it's possible
06:56 < Wombert> :p
06:56 < v-dogg> easier to prepare if you know
06:56 < Wombert> yes
06:56 < Wombert> how old is erica now?
06:56 < impl> But more fun if you don't!
06:57 < v-dogg> 1y 8m
06:57 < v-dogg> she'll be 2y ~4m then
06:57 < Wombert> yeah two kids is pretty good. easy to handle, and you can split most yoghurt packs easily between two, but not three
06:58 < Wombert> (that, srsly, is my personal #1 argument why 2 kids > 3 kids)
06:58 < v-dogg> yeah, yoghurt it the main issues here :D
06:58 < impl> Wombert: I found some good American food you can feed to 3 kids
06:58 < impl> http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5431/1227218199105py2.jpg
07:00 < Wombert> oh boy
07:00 < impl> Yes, that's a deep-fried pizza taco.
07:00 < v-dogg> ...
07:04 < CIA-56> david * r3520 /branches/0.11/ (etc/phing/AgaviPackageTask.php src/version.php): 0.11.6RC1 version info
07:04 < v-dogg> we are watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuiynIn-g9s&NR=1 with Erica 
07:05 < v-dogg> intertube <3
07:05 < Wombert> nowai
07:05 < Wombert> teletubbies are so fail
07:05 < impl> Teletubbies is seriously creepy.
07:05 < Wombert> yes
07:06 < v-dogg> well, actually erica's #1 favourite is Moomin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNAmVxLcibA
07:07 < impl> is it a hippo?
07:07 < v-dogg> we have moomin books, moomin toys, moomin plates and mugs
07:07 < v-dogg> no, it's moomin :)
07:08 < impl> It's cute :>
07:08 < v-dogg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomin
07:08 < Wombert> IT IS A HIPPO
07:08 < v-dogg> no you fools
07:08 < v-dogg> it is not!
07:08 < impl> they're trolls?
07:08 < impl> they look like hippos
07:08  * Wombert thinks back to when he was 1.5yrs
07:08 < v-dogg> I'm going to cry if you keep saying that!
07:09 < Wombert> I think I would be completely overwhelmed by that stuff
07:09 < impl> lawl
07:09 < Wombert> if it was running on a screeny thing box thing thing
07:09 < impl> I don't think so, but you might have to take out the dish soap and wash the screen every 10 minutes or so
07:10 < impl> and yes, I can see you doing that at 1,5 years :D
07:10 < v-dogg> haha
07:11 < impl> actually, speaking of that, I'm going to go draw a smiley face in the dust stuck to our TV screen in your honor, Wombert
07:11 < Wombert> impl: look
07:11 < Wombert> impl: there's two ways of walking around with glasses
07:11 < Wombert> #1 is mine - cleaning it every morning so I don't look like a nerd
07:11 < Wombert> #2 is yours - not cleaning it for years, just using your white polo shirt twice a day to rub off some ewwwwwy stuff
07:12 < Wombert> (which ruins the shirt)
07:12 < Wombert> (and the glasses)
07:12 < impl> and nobody can tell either way
07:12 < Wombert> (and doesn't improve things)
07:12 < Wombert> I can
07:12 < Wombert> :p
07:12 < impl> okey
07:12 < impl> but you can look past appearances, right?!?
07:12 < Wombert> from the fact that your shirt is dirty, and that you have creepy dirty nerd glasses
07:12 < Wombert> no
07:12 < impl> I got new glasses
07:12 < impl> :>
07:12 < Wombert> really?
07:12 < impl> they are sleek and sexy
07:12 < Wombert> show
07:13 < Wombert> sexy
07:13 < Wombert> uh-huh
07:13 < Wombert> I'm glad you're finally starting to be interested in girls
07:13 < impl> 02:13:00 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with Wombert
07:13 < impl> 02:13:00 <Wombert> pix
07:13 < Wombert> bwahaha
07:13 < impl> :DD
07:14 < impl> sorry, was too good to resist
07:14 < v-dogg> hahaa
07:14 < v-dogg> pix or didn't happen
07:14 < impl> fucking camera is focusing on the fucking lksjdflksjdf
07:15 < impl> HOLD ON
07:15 < Wombert> SIR THERE'S NO REASON TO SHOUT
07:15 < v-dogg> yes, we are all friends now
07:16 < impl> btw, I have a beard right now because I haven't been out in public for a week
07:16 < impl> so no comments on that
07:16 < Wombert> oh boy
07:17 < impl> motherfucking camera I swear to god
07:18 < Wombert> it's not going to turn into a piece of art either way
07:18 < impl> Shut up.
07:19 < impl> :(
07:19 < Wombert> come on
07:19 < Wombert> just do it
07:19 < Wombert> WE'LL DO IT LIVE
07:20 < impl> http://cynigram.com/~nfontes/impl_current.jpg
07:21 < impl> HAPPY YES?
07:21 < Wombert> :p
07:21 < Wombert> yeah they're cool
07:22 < impl> < Wombert> .oO( ugliest beard I have ever seen, srsly )
07:22 < Wombert> lies
07:22 < Wombert> as is evident by the space after "<" :>
07:22 < impl> that's how my client shows names :>
07:25 < v-dogg> here too
07:25 < v-dogg> space for @
07:25 < v-dogg> or +
07:25 < impl> Yeah ^^
07:25 < v-dogg> which we should use
07:26 < impl> but +o means RAGEEEEEEE to users!
07:32 < Wombert> well they make you look a lot less like a hardcore nerd anywa
07:32 < Wombert> y
07:32 < Wombert> >:>
07:33 < impl> Wombert: 'thanks'
07:33 < v-dogg> The requested URL /~nfontes/impl_before.jpg was not found on this server.
07:33 < v-dogg> :(
07:33 < impl> v-dogg: impl.jpg should exist
07:33 < v-dogg> I have nothing to compare with
07:33 < v-dogg> ah :)
07:33 < impl> yeah it does
07:33 < v-dogg> awesome :)
07:35 < impl> :D
08:04 < impl> \o/
08:05 < v-dogg>  /o\
08:06 < v-dogg> I'm thinking about putting adt's html toolbar into hibernation
08:06 < v-dogg> and concentrating on firephp stuff
08:07 < Wombert> ya
08:08 < v-dogg> the html toolbar has so many issues I don't have time to fix ( making it unobtrusive, making the output injection sane, creating a nice layout + js stuff etc)
08:08 < Wombert> what I'd suggest
08:08 < Wombert> is
08:08 < Wombert> I mean
08:08 < Wombert> it generates... what
08:08 < Wombert> json?
08:08 < Wombert> for firebug?
08:08 < Wombert> firephp
08:08 < Wombert> whatever?
08:08 < Wombert> we could eventually add a javascript include that you use
08:08 < Wombert> that can use the same json stuff
08:09 < Wombert> and genereates the toolbar onload
08:09 < Wombert> based on that data
08:09 < v-dogg> nopes, firephp uses http headers and js cannot access them (as far as I know)
08:09 < Wombert> a lot easier to maintain that way
08:09 < Wombert> yes but it puts a big json object into that header
08:09 < Wombert> afaik
08:09 < v-dogg> I thought about this
08:10 < Wombert> so you could just as well inject that json in <script type="text/javascript">Debug($data);
08:10 < Wombert> knowwhatImean?
08:10 < Wombert> it wouldn't even be agavi specific
08:10 < Wombert> :)
08:10 < Wombert> instead, it's a pure js project that can use the firebug data format
08:10 < impl> Don't take it too far, Wombert :>
08:10 < Wombert> to display debug info
08:10 < Wombert> someone else could do that, or it could be a gsoc project
08:11 < v-dogg> http://pastebin.ca/1305053 <- firephp headers
08:11 < impl> Hmm, should we start collecting ideas for this year's GSoC already?
08:11 < impl> v-dogg: O_o
08:12 < v-dogg> the html output should be parsed from json, that's the only sane way (we talked about this with digitarald)
08:12 < v-dogg> and I have tried to find a way to do this using firephp but haven't found one
08:15 < v-dogg> so, in the future when some one code the client side for it, html toolbar can output json and we have an alternative for firephp
08:15 < Wombert> nah
08:15 < Wombert> I'd do it different
08:17 < Wombert> subclass firephp
08:17 < Wombert> setHeader() doesn't send right away
08:18 < Wombert> and then you're pretty much done, I'd say
08:18 < impl> lol, I just wrote 'inverse-logarithmically'
08:18  * impl goes to bed
08:18 < Wombert> bai impl 
08:18 < Wombert> v-dogg: I'd use the *exact* same structure as firephp does
08:18 < Wombert> basically
08:18 < Wombert> you take *all* headers
08:19 < Wombert> put them into an array
08:19 < Wombert> json_encode that
08:19 < Wombert> finished
08:19 < Wombert> and this one big json structure is given to the clientside "html" toolbar
08:19 < Wombert> so it works on the same data that firephp generates
08:19 < Wombert> that's a lot more universal
08:19 < v-dogg> that's exactly what I had in mind
08:19 < v-dogg> BUT
08:19 < v-dogg> someone needs to do the client side
08:20 < Wombert> yes sure
08:20 < Wombert> but that doesn't have to be our concern right now :)
08:20 < v-dogg> 10:15 < v-dogg> so, in the future when some one code the client side for it, html toolbar can output json and we have an alternative for firephp
08:20 < Wombert> it's not even agavi related; it could be a joint effort across projects
08:20 < Wombert> I was thinking, v-dogg 
08:21 < Wombert> the actual output could be generated by a container
08:21 < Wombert> :>
08:21 < Wombert> theoretically
08:21 < v-dogg> elaborate, please
08:21 < Wombert> that is run in the global filter
08:21 < Wombert> and stuffs
08:21 < Wombert> but meh
08:21 < Wombert> mmmm
08:21 < Wombert> (for firebug, it would just send headers)
08:21 < Wombert> it's probably too difficult to do as a plugin
08:21 < Wombert> needs output typs and whatnot
08:22 < v-dogg> I'm not sure I follow
08:24 < Wombert> http://wildfirehq.org/
08:24 < Wombert> hmm
08:25 < Wombert> well you'd have a module
08:25 < Wombert> with an action
08:25 < Wombert> to send the debug info
08:25 < Wombert> by default, that just sends the firebug headers
08:26 < Wombert> but it could also generate the js include and json var assignment for injection into html
08:26 < Wombert> or, say, static html for insertion at the bottom of the page (not pretty, but hey)
08:26 < Wombert> problem with that is... it's not a "slot". it still needs to be injected into the doc
08:26 < Wombert> and those are different output types, which need to be configured
08:27 < Wombert> ah well I guess we need proper modules/plugins eventually
08:27 < Wombert> that can register stuff at startup etc...
08:28 < v-dogg> to prevent clashes with users js, css etc the output should be in a dynamically created iframe 
08:28 < v-dogg> the current static html approach is not going to work
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12:03 < Wombert> http://blog.wombert.de/post/69561648/things-i-hate-random-people-pming-random-people-on-irc
12:03 < Wombert> ...
12:04 < Wombert> some people
12:04 < Wombert> I swear to god if he leaves before that hour is over I'll find him and burn down his house
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12:23 < Seldaek> Wombert: I read somewhere in the agavi docs or something that couchDB had versionned documents but I saw no such thing on their website, did you write that?
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12:38 < Wombert> Seldaek: in the docs?
12:38 < Wombert> huh?
12:38 < Wombert> nah
12:38 < Wombert> they do, but the versioning is not reliable
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13:34 < Seldaek> Wombert: okay.. so I'm better off using my own revision thingy with mysql ?
13:35 < Wombert> probbaly
13:35 < Wombert> I mean
13:35 < Wombert> its a document database
13:35 < Wombert> no idea what you're doing etc
13:35 < Wombert> blah
13:35 < Seldaek> yeah well it's for some kind of wiki like functionality
13:35 < Seldaek> I need to track the changes to blame whoever fucks up
13:38 < Seldaek> anyway it works right now so I'll leave it as it, I just wondered if I could gain in simplicity by switching to couch
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13:49 < _cheerios> huomenta xX
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14:25 < hashZILLA> hello is agavi beta 7 going to require php 5.2.8?
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14:37 < v-dogg> hashZILLA: no unless you have magic quotes on
14:37 < v-dogg> "we'll now throw an exception if magic quotes are on and PHP < 5.2.8 is installed."
14:37 < v-dogg> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/953
14:41 < Seldaek> honestly who the hell would use quotes in a name attribute?
14:43 < Seldaek> it's like using $blöb as a var name
14:51 < horros> mmm, $blöb
15:05 < hashZILLA> k
15:15 < Spica> Huomenta
15:20 < _cheerios> there's supposed to be a nice full moon today (best of the year), anyone watching?
15:45 < Fou4th> $ php -r 'var_dump(08);'
15:45 < Fou4th> lol
16:01 < bobbytek4> yoyoyomenta
16:21 < v-dogg> Fou4th: that's actually quite reasonable
16:22 < v-dogg> as 08 is invalid
16:23 < v-dogg> some sort of type error would be the best way to handle this but PHP doesn't do type errors
16:40 < bobbytek4> php isn't cool
16:47 < Fou4th> v-dogg, well, it's reasonable and stupid at the same time
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17:14 < v-dogg> Fou4th: how is it stupid?
17:15 < Fou4th> it masks typos
17:16 < v-dogg> well, at least this feature is actually documented 
17:16 < v-dogg> http://fi2.php.net/manual/en/language.types.integer.php "Warning If an invalid digit is given in an octal integer (i.e. 8 or 9), the rest of the number is ignored. "
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05:22 < Wombert> huomenta
05:22 < Wombert> <:
05:23 < impl> atnemouh
05:28 < CIA-56> david * r3523 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/database/AgaviPropelDatabase.class.php): merge [3516:3522/branches/0.11]
05:29 < CIA-56> david * r3524 /branches/1.0/CHANGELOG-0.11: 0.11.6RC1 changelog
05:29 < CIA-56> david * r3525 /branches/1.0/CHANGELOG: release date
05:29 < Wombert> wathapen impl 
05:29 < Wombert> <:
05:30 < Wombert> dude I woke up at 6:15 on a sunday
05:30 < Wombert> how fucking ace is that
05:30 < impl> oh fuck you
05:30  * impl stabs
05:39 < Wombert> man
05:39 < Wombert> there is pretty much *nothing* new in beta7
05:39 < Wombert> ...
05:40 < impl> uh.
05:40 < impl> :>
05:41 < Wombert> not funny
05:41 < Wombert> http://pastie.org/private/9phyecxfccuyjhl0p2fg
05:41 < Wombert> and that took two months
05:43 < impl> Well...
05:43 < impl> Just say we took December off
05:46 < Wombert> mmm
05:46 < Wombert> it still annoys me
05:46 < Wombert> adasdasdsajdfgsadf
05:46 < impl> Then don't release it yet
05:53 < CIA-56> david * r3526 /branches/1.0/ (etc/phing/AgaviPackageTask.php src/version.php): 1.0.0beta7 version info
05:53 < impl> Or do, whatever
05:56 < Wombert> what is the alternative
05:56 < Wombert> nah
05:56 < Wombert> ...
05:59 < CIA-56> david * r3527 /tags/1.0.0beta7/: 1.0.0 beta 7 release tag
06:04 < CIA-56> david * r3528 /branches/1.0/src/version.php: back to -dev in version.php
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06:21  * Wombert burps
06:21 < Wombert> [07:10] arcane: oh looks like button_to missed out on the new routing changes
06:21 < Wombert> aaah symfony
06:22 < impl> lawl
06:24 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:36 < Wombert> huomenta v-dogg 
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06:42 < v-dogg> what's up
06:43 < v-dogg> other than b7
06:44 < v-dogg> button_to? what the heck is that suppose to be?
07:01 < impl> it creates a button. to something
07:06 < v-dogg> uh uh uh
07:06 < v-dogg> do want!
07:06 < v-dogg> <?php echo button_to('add to cart', 'shoppingCart/add?id=100') ?>
07:07 < v-dogg> creates
07:07 < v-dogg> <input value="add to cart" type="button" onclick="document.location.href='/fo_dev.php/shoppingCart/add/id/100.html';" />
07:07 < impl> snap
07:07 < impl> das some hawt shit rite dare
07:07 < v-dogg> you bet
07:09 < v-dogg> this is also brilliant: <?php echo mail_to('myaddress@mydomain.com', 'contact address') ?>
07:09 < v-dogg> ta DAA: <a href="mailto:myaddress@mydomain.com'>contact address</a>
07:09 < impl> wow that makes my life so much easier.
07:10 < v-dogg>  makes writing template SO much easier and faster and nicer 
07:10 < impl> ^_^
07:10 < v-dogg> funny people them symfonish
07:26 < Wombert> the funny thing is that it's more effort to type
07:27 < Wombert> did I tell you guys how fabien complained about that to me
07:27 < Wombert> saying he should never have introduced these crappy helpers
07:33 < trophaeum> u know what sucks? when ur used to an ergonomic keyboard and suddenly it stops working and your forced to some 2$ keyboard that would belong in a special bin at ur local dodgy bros inc computer store
07:33 < trophaeum> sigh
07:35 < v-dogg> Wombert: yup
07:36 < v-dogg> hehe, the shared host I use for small projects seems to have magic_q_gpc on :)
07:37 < v-dogg> that's a bit surprising because otherwise they seem to have a clue
07:38 < trophaeum> shared hosts... *blech* im so jaded these days with hosting after all the 'ur over ur cpu time quota' messages iv had in the past
07:38 < v-dogg> luckily they keep their systems up to date and they have been running 5.2.8 for some time now
07:39 < trophaeum> i normally track php rc's and use them and then the final as it comes out, iv seen enough php bugs to know more often than not those rc's are better than their older release brothers
07:40 < trophaeum> i am a little on the crazy side though
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09:11 < Wombert> omg omg
09:11 < Wombert> marklar|omni: WHERE IS MIEK
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09:20 < shrink0r> huomenta
09:20 < shrink0r> Wombert you early bird ^^
09:20 < shrink0r> release announcement at 7:16 :)
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09:21 < Wombert> :> shrink0r 
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10:45 < Fou4th> hi all
10:46 < Fou4th> just found a strange thing
10:46 < shrink0r> hi
10:46 < Fou4th> roles, credentials etc
10:46 < Fou4th> I cannot reset current user credentials
10:47 < Fou4th> There is method AgaviRbacSecurityUser::grantRole()
10:47 < Fou4th> and there is such construction in this method
10:47 < Fou4th> if(isset($this->definitions[$role]) && !in_array($role, $this->roles)) {
10:48 < Fou4th> When I want to reset user I'm executing: clearCredentials, clearAttributes, then grantRoles
10:48 < Fou4th> but it doesn't work
10:49 < Fou4th> because if roles has not changed crdentials adding code doesn't work
10:49 < Fou4th> because of !in_array($role, $this->roles)
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10:54 < Fou4th> so I've defined method clearRoles()
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10:54 < Fou4th> $this->roles = array();
10:55 < graste> huomenta
10:55 < Fou4th> And it solved the problem.
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10:55 < _cheerios> huomenta
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11:41 < _cheerios> "everyone's a billionaire in Zimbabwe"
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12:33 < LBO_> huomenta
12:34 < Fou4th> why cookie value passes the validator but action/view's parameters list doesn't contain it? 
12:34 < Fou4th> it's slot
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12:54 < shrink0r> Fou4th: cookie prob?
12:55 < shrink0r> git suhosin?
12:55 < shrink0r> *got
12:56 < Fou4th> shrink0r, slots problem
12:57 < Fou4th> I don't understand how to pass parameter (get/post/cookie) into the slot
13:06 < shrink0r> ah, k
13:06 < shrink0r> well a slot inherits the request data of it's parent
13:07 < shrink0r> you can add additional by just passing a new rqdh that you initialized with you new source_params
13:07 < Fou4th> no it doesn't
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13:07 < graste> validation perhaps?
13:07 < Fou4th> slot defined in output_types.xml
13:08 < Fou4th> validation works ok
13:08 < Fou4th> but slot doesn't receive parameters
13:08 < graste> i mean perhaps you forgot to validate the parameter you're missing
13:08 < Fou4th> no, I've checked
13:09 < Fou4th> validator is placed into xml file that corresponds to that slot's action
13:09 < Fou4th> and it's working
13:09 < graste> k :)
13:10 < shrink0r> sry, Fou4th. I was assuming you where setting the slot inside a view execution
13:10 < Fou4th> I need that cookie just in one small slot and don't want to place odd code into main action/view whatever
13:10 < Fou4th> nope
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15:08 < Fou4th> ahrrr
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15:45 < _cheerios> "i ran into an old friend... and brought her back for a lil... PENIS!!!" haha
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19:28 < Fou4th> well
19:28 < Fou4th> How agavi page caching works?
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20:00 < LBO_> Theres quite usefull post on caching at user mailing list
20:00 < LBO_> look for that via google
20:01 < LBO_> or, you can always read source. Hint: AgaviExecutionFilter
20:02 < LBO_> http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/browse_thread/thread/b40538716e2bbc3c/?pli=1
20:03 < LBO_> I don't know how much exactly is up to date
20:03 < LBO_> its old :)
20:03 < Fou4th> ok, thanks. will see tomorrow
20:03 < Fou4th> hmm, post dated by Feb 2007
20:04 < Fou4th> is it still actual information?
20:37 < _cheerios> h x = f x <^(+)^> g x // haha at actual syntax, like programming with batman smilies :D
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20:39 < ttj> _cheerios: What's that?
20:42 < _cheerios> it's the result of very dense haskell code
20:43 < ttj> Ok. :P
20:59 < Fou4th> in perl you may use pseudographic for writing code
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21:52 < _cheerios> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Hong_Kong_Night_Skyline_non-HDR.jpg
21:57 < Seldaek> nice
21:58 < _cheerios> soo many shiny, pretty lights \o/
22:06 < _cheerios> wow. i managed to read a comment that arose laughs, sadness, pity and hate all at the same time.
22:23 < _cheerios> heh @ Albert Ellis has been collecting “thousands of articles about how stupid people are” as research for a third, tentatively titled “A History of the Dark Ages: The Twenty-first Century. 
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23:36 < graste> gn8
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23:42 < impl> Wombert: So my German textbook is called "Auf geht's!"
23:42 < Wombert> impl: :>
23:42 < Wombert> viel spass damit
23:42 < impl> This seems like a weird name for a textbook
23:43 < Wombert> "let's go", basically
23:43 < impl> :>
23:44 < impl> on like the third page it's talking about Handys
23:44 < impl> keke
23:45 < impl> it looks like those ads that were in the mensa
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00:12 < Wombert> lol wat
00:12 < Wombert> :>
00:12 < Wombert> handy is such a stupid word
00:13 < Wombert> another great one is "bodybag" (no space there, of course)
00:13 < Wombert> which is a hip variant of a messenger bag that fits more snugly
00:13 < impl> Really?
00:13 < Wombert> well, only in germany
00:13 < impl> In English bodybag is a bag that you put dead people in
00:13 < impl> :\
00:13 < Wombert> yes I know
00:13 < Wombert> that was my point
00:13  * Wombert stabs
00:14 < impl> YOUR LANGUAGE IS SILLY HE HE HE
00:14 < Wombert> word
00:14 < Wombert> but now
00:14 < Wombert> I'm going to be
00:14 < Wombert> d
00:14 < Wombert> so I can get up
00:14 < Wombert> what's the word
00:14 < Wombert> umm
00:14 < Wombert> EARLY
00:14 < Wombert> tomorrow
00:14 < Wombert> :>>>>
00:14 < impl> pfshfsdf
00:14 < impl> I have to get up early too so I can return like 600 books to the library
00:14 < impl> so meh@you
00:14 < impl> :<
00:15 < Wombert> you should try the same thing you slacker
00:15 < Wombert> you didn't do a single useful thing last week did you :>
00:15 < impl> uh huh
00:15 < Wombert> :>>>
00:15 < impl> ~/projects/python/svn/branches/py3k % svn diff | wc -l
00:15 < impl> 494
00:15 < Wombert> nah, enjoy ze holidays
00:15 < Wombert> WHO CARES ABOUT PYTHON SRSLY
00:15 < Wombert> :p
00:15 < impl> :X
00:15 < Wombert> so is it gonna work?
00:16 < Wombert> ze threading?
00:16 < impl> oh, I dunno
00:16 < impl> I haven't tested it yet
00:16 < Wombert> ZE SRRRREDDING
00:16 < impl> it's only about 25% done
00:16 < Wombert> (helping you learn german)
00:16 < Wombert> oh
00:16 < impl> the changes I want to make :>
00:16 < impl> but when I show it to the Python devs they'll be like 'uh no this breaks the API, fuck off'
00:17 < Wombert> .<
00:17 < impl> ...
00:25 < Wombert> dude
00:25 < Wombert> http://blog.wombert.de/post/69849007/super-fatties-outnumber-the-fatties-in-the-u-s-of-a
00:25 < Wombert> fuck
00:25 < Wombert> man
00:25 < Wombert> a third obese, another third just quite fat
00:25 < Wombert> this is horrible
00:27 < impl> what
00:27 < impl> wtf
00:28 < impl> Wombert: actually overweight isn't really /that/ fat
00:29 < Wombert> impl: yeah well uh
00:29 < Wombert> that really depends
00:29 < Wombert> you know, it also means that 2/3rds of girls are fat
00:29 < Wombert> (I guess)
00:29 < impl> Probably
00:30 < Wombert> so, my estimate is that by the end of this year, there won't be any non-fat girls that are willing to get laid by python nerds
00:30 < Wombert> SUCKS FOR YOU DUDE
00:30 < Wombert> MOVE TO EUROPE
00:30 < Wombert> :>>>>>>>>
00:30  * Wombert hugs
00:30 < impl> hurhurhur
00:30 < Wombert> okay, but srsly
00:30 < Wombert> bedtiem
00:30 < impl> g'night :>
00:30  * impl goes in search of food
00:30 < Wombert> enjoy
00:31 < Wombert> I made something delicious for lunch today
00:31 < impl> the quality is less than the mensa
00:31 < impl> :<
00:31 < Wombert> 'twas
00:31 < Wombert> mmm
00:32 < Wombert> god why is this website flash
00:32 < Wombert> toasties + bacon + egg
00:33 < Wombert> uber
00:33 < impl> lawl
00:33 < impl> add cheese
00:33 < impl> and it's moar win
00:33 < Wombert> but not those toasties you have
00:33 < Wombert> they're better
00:33 < impl> of course :>
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00:34 < Wombert> they're round
00:34 < Wombert> and OMNOM
00:34 < Wombert> http://www.exclusiv-catering-salzburg.at/images/fingerfood-gross/toastie.jpg
00:34 < Wombert> mmmm
00:34 < impl> oh, we have those
00:34 < Wombert> but only egg and bacom
00:34 < impl> they're called English muffins
00:34 < Wombert> -m+n
00:34 < Wombert> yeah
00:34 < Wombert> a bit like those
00:34 < Wombert> yes
00:35 < Wombert> exactly those
00:35 < Wombert> :>
00:35 < impl> yeah, they're win
00:35 < impl> make that with cheese
00:35 < impl> it's great
00:35 < Wombert> I will, next time
00:35 < Wombert> :)
00:35 < impl> :D
00:35 < Wombert> okay great
00:35 < Wombert> now that is sorted
00:36 < Wombert> I can go to bed
00:36 < Wombert> :>
00:36 < Wombert> baii
00:36 < impl> lawl
00:36 < impl> bai
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04:21 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:01 < horros> huomenta.
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06:55 < Wombert> huomenta <:
06:56 < v-dogg> <:
06:56 < v-dogg> <3
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08:17 < moritz> huomenta
08:19 < moritz> in order to output hmtl into an ajax overlay window, do I create a route/action/template/view like when I output to a regular page?
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08:32 < v-dogg> moritz: yup
08:33 < v-dogg> it's a normal action like any other. it's just the output type that differs
08:33 < moritz> ok
08:33 < moritz> thank you
08:34 < moritz> so I'll create an ajax ouput type?
08:34 < v-dogg> there are just two things you need to worry about - (1) how to set the output type (url, header, something else) and (2) how to render the output (normally using a template, directly in the view, do you need a decorative layout etc)
08:34 < v-dogg> yep, create a new output type
08:35 < moritz> ok, cool, I'll worry about that later
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08:36 < v-dogg> all hail Wombs
08:37 < Wombert> ohai
08:37 < Wombert> wat hapen
08:37 < v-dogg> boating accident
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08:40 < v-dogg> that might have been
08:40 < v-dogg> too
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08:54 < radut> huomenta everyone
08:57 < v-dogg> huomenta
08:58 < radut> hey v-dogg -> about the validation modes ... you know : relaxed, conditional and strict
08:59 < radut> what do I have to do in order to keep the mode strict and still have the variables from POST available in $rd
09:00 < saracen> radut: Validate them
09:00 < radut> meaning?
09:00 < saracen> Each input needs a validation rule
09:00 < saracen> in validate/Action.xml
09:00 < radut> I was afraid yu would say that
09:00 < radut> :(
09:01 < radut> and if the mode is conditional?
09:01 < v-dogg> conditional means "relaxed" if no validators is defined, "strict" if even one validator is defined
09:02 < radut> uhh
09:02 < radut> ugly thing
09:02 < v-dogg> but what were you expecting? if you want stric validation, you need to _validate_ 
09:02 < graste> huomenta
09:02 < saracen> radut: Get used to using strict :P. It was annoying when I first found out I had to do it, but now I do it as making applications
09:02 < radut> actually ... I've set conditional
09:02 < radut> :)
09:03 < radut> and I have a validator for one input
09:03 < radut> so that's why it behaved as strict
09:03 < radut> the thing is I already have js validation and server-side validation apart from the one from .xml files
09:04 < radut> I'm affraid the rules will be too strict :))
09:04 < saracen> js validation doesn't mean much though =(
09:04 < Wombert> js validation, eww
09:05 < radut> yeah ... Wombert : js validation saves the user a lot of time and patience :)
09:05 < v-dogg> that's not "validation", that's just helping the user a bit
09:05 < radut> I'm not relying on js validation .. but still it's nice to have
09:05 < radut> yeah
09:06 < v-dogg> radut: but you can also register validators in code or validate manually
09:06 < v-dogg> xml validators are usually just the easiest choice
09:07 < saracen> I use a mix of both, usually when the validation requires something from the database. Just don't validate in execute*() :P
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09:09 < radut> hmm ... saracen why "don't validate in execute*()" ?"??
09:09 < radut> bad practice?
09:12 < saracen> I'm not qualified enough to say whether it's bad practice or not :P. But it makes life somewhat easier, only having to return a true or a false, and then let the error handler handle the problems/load the correct view and template
09:15 < saracen> Say the request is for a page, using a page_id. I can ask the models for the page in validateRead(). If nothing is returned, I can return false. Otherwise I just set a local variable $this->page, so that I dont have to do the same database fetch in executeRead()
09:15 < radut> I see
09:16 < radut> it makes sense
09:20 < Wombert> saracen: but you're aware of $this->export('var', $val);
09:20 < Wombert> right?
09:20 < Wombert> from inside a validator?
09:20 < Wombert> that will then be in the request data
09:24 < radut> yeah ... I saw that :)
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10:02 < LBO_> huomenta
10:02 < CIA-56> david * r3529 /branches/1.0/ (4 files in 4 dirs): ported AgaviCachingConfigHandler to new xml system; .rng schema intentionally omitted as we're figuring out how to proceed with validation. refs #519
10:03 < Wombert> oh fuck this
10:03 < CIA-56> david * r3530 /branches/1.0/samples/app/modules/Default/cache/SearchEngineSpam.xml: revert test data
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10:05 < MikeSeth> oh hai
10:06 < v-dogg> jewmaster mike
10:06 < MikeSeth> huomenta
10:06 < MikeSeth> sup all
10:09 < v-dogg> nothing unusual - world domination is on its way and people are beginning to see the light
10:09 < MikeSeth> DUH
10:09 < MikeSeth> I'm working on legacy refactoring again - Agavi saves my ass once more
10:11 < Fou4th> good evening everyone :)
10:12 < Fou4th> Where I can read about using agavi caching system?
10:12 < Fou4th> Yesterday I've got this link http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/browse_thread/thread/b40538716e2bbc3c/?pli=1
10:12 < MikeSeth> oh boy
10:12 < MikeSeth> i still have to write that.
10:14 < LBO_> Mike, can you tell us how much outdated is this post (follow the link)?
10:14 < MikeSeth> it isn't really
10:15 < MikeSeth> the buildsystem creates the per-action .xml cache files now - you dont have to do it manually
10:15 < LBO_> I though so
10:15 < MikeSeth> also, im not sure if the XML schema is the same
10:15 < MikeSeth> but that doesn't really matter
10:15 < Fou4th> ok
10:16 < LBO_> 10 minutes ago: ported AgaviCachingConfigHandler to new xml system; .rng schema intentionally omitted as we're figuring out how to proceed with validation. refs #519
10:16 < Fou4th> so caching system is working, right?
10:16 < LBO_> ŁD
10:16 < MikeSeth> Fou4th: yes
10:16 < LBO_> LD
10:16 < Fou4th> good
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10:34 < CIA-56> david * r3531 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviCachingConfigHandler.class.php: typos. and docs. and meh.
10:35 < CIA-56> david * r3532 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviCachingConfigHandler.class.php: bloody hell
10:35 < MikeSeth> lol
10:37 < graste> ^^
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10:46 < CIA-56> david * r3533 /branches/1.0/src/config/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ported AgaviLoggingConfigHandler to new xml system; .rng schema intentionally omitted as we're figuring out how to proceed with validation. refs #519
10:47 < CIA-56> david * r3534 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviLoggingConfigHandler.class.php: the dishwasher needs to finish *now* so I can make myself a coffee. refs #519, too
10:53 < MikeSeth> umm
10:56 < CIA-56> david * r3535 /branches/1.0/src/config/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ported AgaviOutputTypeConfigHandler to new xml system; .rng schema intentionally omitted as we're figuring out how to proceed with validation. refs #519
10:57 < Wombert> \o/
11:00 < CIA-56> david * r3536 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviOutputTypeConfigHandler.class.php: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ME
11:00 < graste> coffee time :x
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11:08 < trophaeum> that commit log is a classic
11:15 < CIA-56> david * r3537 /branches/1.0/src/config/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ported AgaviRbacDefinitionConfigHandler to new xml system; .rng schema intentionally omitted as we're figuring out how to proceed with validation. refs #519
11:47 < CIA-56> david * r3538 /branches/1.0/src/config/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ported AgaviSettingConfigHandler to new xml system; .rng schema intentionally omitted as we're figuring out how to proceed with validation. refs #519
11:50 < Wombert> weeeeeeeee
11:50 < Wombert> my companion cube arrived
11:50 < Wombert> :>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
11:51 < Wombert> *weighted* companion cube, that is
11:51 < MikeSeth> pics or didn't happen
11:51 < MikeSeth> also
11:52 < Wombert> I don't have it yet
11:52 < Wombert> but
11:52 < Wombert> lol
11:52 < MikeSeth> what's the correct way to specify the code template location under the new buildsystem
11:52 < Wombert> I already told the buddy
11:52 < Wombert> "pics or it didnt happen"
11:52 < Wombert> >>>>
11:52 < Wombert> also, customs don't seem to know what a WCC is
11:52 < Wombert> they charged extra or something
11:53 < Wombert> I think it's the same as before, MikeSeth 
11:53 < Wombert> check the build.properties that "agavi project" creates
11:53 < _cheerios> seems i need to play portal to understand
11:53 < MikeSeth> Wombert: doesn't work, still uses the system wide templates for some reason
11:54 < CIA-56> david * r3539 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/config/AgaviModuleConfigHandler.class.php): Fixed #976: Module setting values are not literalized
11:54 < Wombert> MikeSeth: lies
11:54 < Wombert> :<
11:54 < Wombert> MikeSeth: stab impl
11:55 < MikeSeth> wat
11:57 < MikeSeth> lol nvm I fail
11:59 < v-dogg> I couldn't get it to work with relative paths
11:59 < v-dogg> only whit a full path
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12:20 < _cheerios> so many new things to try (that object freezer looks interesting too) http://sebastian-bergmann.de/archives/841-Cool-PHP-Objects-Sleep-on-the-Couch.html
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12:41 < Wombert> MikeSeth: http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cubie1sb0.jpg
12:41 < Wombert> http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cubie4rg6.jpg
12:42 < MikeSeth> woot
12:42 < MikeSeth> want
12:45 < Wombert> yeah v-dogg 
12:45 < Wombert> but there is ${project.dir} :)
12:46 < v-dogg> which didn't work 
12:46 < Wombert> wat
12:46 < v-dogg> I'll retry in a sec
12:46 < v-dogg> maybe I messed up something
12:46 < MikeSeth> Wombert: just how big is it?
12:47 < MikeSeth> I want a cube too
12:47 < MikeSeth> but it has to be a HUEG!!!1! one
12:48 < Wombert> looks like 20x20x20cm
12:49 < Wombert> 15
12:49 < Wombert> http://store.valvesoftware.com/productshowcase/productshowcase_WCC-Plush.html
12:49 < LBO_> ${project.directory}\path\to\templates\inside\project\folder
12:50 < v-dogg> .directory?
12:50 < v-dogg> not .dir?
12:50 < v-dogg> that would explain it :)
12:50 < Wombert> ah!
12:50 < LBO_> yep :)
12:51 < v-dogg> Wombert: you gotta tell me these things! :D
12:51 < v-dogg> don't keep me in the dark :>
12:52 < MikeSeth> out of curiousity
12:52 < MikeSeth> do any of you spot patterns in view naming?
12:52 < LBO_> what do u mean by patterns?
12:53 < MikeSeth> e.g. I often do Form/Success/Error for editor actions
12:53 < MikeSeth> and for e.g. reports I do Form/Success/NoResults
12:53 < LBO_> Input/Success/Error
12:53 < LBO_> NoResult it is 
12:53 < LBO_> sometimes Empty
12:57 < v-dogg> Input/Success/Error 99% of the times
13:04 < CIA-56> david * r3540 /branches/1.0/src/config/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ported AgaviRoutingConfigHandler to new xml system; .rng schema intentionally omitted as we're figuring out how to proceed with validation. refs #519
13:10 < graste> input/success/error, maybe empty as well
13:11 < CIA-56> david * r3541 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviRoutingConfigHandler.class.php: dox
13:20 < CIA-56> david * r3542 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviLdmlSupplementalConfigHandler.class.php: ported AgaviLdmlSupplementalConfigHandler to new xml system, refs #519
13:21 < v-dogg> zis requires some funky music now
13:21 < v-dogg> did itunes drop the drm stuff already?
13:24 < Wombert> yup v-dogg 
13:24 < Wombert> not from all songs yet, but most of the stuff
13:25 < Wombert> watch out for the plus sign next to songs, that gives it away
13:25 < Wombert> very cool, I'll definitely buy more music than before now
13:25 < Wombert> happened a couple of times that I didn't because it wasn't available in plus format
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13:26 < v-dogg> this calls for Victor Wooten
13:30 < MikeSeth> Wombert: I think imma get on the itunes train
13:30 < MikeSeth> drm free songs = win
13:32 < Wombert> ya
13:33 < Wombert> also, 256kbits aac = win
13:33 < Wombert> :>
13:34 < graste> itunes :x
13:37 < graste> anyone know anything about this: Compilation failed: unknown property name after \P or \p at                                
13:37 < graste> happens when string validator is used with UTF8 and trim=true
13:38 < graste> seems to be related to server config
13:38 < trophaeum> graste, what ver of pcre have u got php using? i had 1 box that couldnt use utf8 preg_match's
13:38 < trophaeum> it was an antique fedora
13:39 < graste> just checking - 1 mom :)
13:39 < graste> 7.8
13:40 < graste> 2008-09-05
13:40 < Wombert> pcre compiled without utf8 support
13:40 < trophaeum> http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=46800 http://bugs.gentoo.org/238127
13:40 < Wombert> god
13:40 < Wombert> these motherfucking retards
13:40 < Wombert> I hate those idiots
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13:40 < trophaeum> Wombert, lol
13:40 < graste> :o
13:40 < Wombert> they have no fucking clue how to package software
13:40 < Wombert> all they ever do is mess things up
13:40 < Wombert> it's such a disgrace
13:41 < graste> =)
13:41 < trophaeum> and then we get left with the mess and are expected to write workarounds
13:41 < graste> okay then
13:41 < graste> hoster will get another message then ^^
13:41 < graste> thx
13:42 < trophaeum> theres something to be said for self hosted servers :)
13:42 < trophaeum> that might not be the answer but thats all i found lately related to it so chances are it is
13:44 < trophaeum> man php is comin up with some great bugs these days
13:44 < trophaeum> i thought their testsuite was meant to combat against this stuff sigh
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14:16 < MrJeep> huomenta
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14:16 < MrJeep> beta 7
14:16 < MrJeep> what's new in beta 7 
14:17 < MrJeep> oh yeah right, website
14:19 < MrJeep> just one quick question
14:20 < MrJeep> did the template changed
14:20 < MrJeep> in the config
14:20 < MrJeep> ?
14:23 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: it changed somewhere around rc1
14:23 < MikeSeth> $template changed to $t
14:23 < MikeSeth> but that only affects new applications
14:23 < MrJeep> oh sorry I was not clear. I meant the build templates
14:23 < MrJeep> in beta 7
14:23 < MrJeep> specifically the config templates
14:23 < MikeSeth> ah that I dont know
14:23 < MikeSeth> but it shouldnt matter
14:24 < MrJeep> ok ty
14:29 < v-dogg> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.0beta7/RELEASE_NOTES && CHANGELOG
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14:31 < MrJeep> this is specific to beta 7 ?
14:31 < Wombert> *what*?
14:32 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.0beta7/CHANGELOG
14:32 < MrJeep> I'll look at the change log instead
14:32 < Wombert> what is your question :p
14:32 < MrJeep> if the config template changed
14:32 < MrJeep> from beta 6 to 7
14:33 < MrJeep> that's all :)
14:33 < MrJeep> in other words, can I re-use the same templates I had in beta 6 ? :)
14:33 < graste> "changelog we can believe in!"
14:33 < graste> =)
14:34 < MrJeep> I'm reading the changelog now
14:34 < graste> i'm not talking about you :\
14:34 < MrJeep> :(
14:35 < graste> just wanted to bring an obama quote :<
14:35 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/changeset?old_path=%2Ftags%2F1.0.0beta6%2Fsrc%2Fbuild%2Ftemplates&old=3542&new_path=%2Ftags%2F1.0.0beta7%2Fsrc%2Fbuild%2Ftemplates&new=3542
14:35 < graste> sort of
14:35 < MrJeep> Wombert: wow
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14:48 < E_mE> huomenta
14:48 < E_mE> im trying to bring my live blog app onto the server
14:49 < E_mE> ive got index.php to point at the 1.0b6 agavi installation, but some how i keep getting this error: 
14:49 < E_mE> Fatal error: Unsupported operand types in /var/www/html/GWMigration/app/lib/agavi/1.0b2/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php on line 358
14:49 < E_mE> be great if anyone has any ideas
14:51 < MikeSeth> loading the wrong agavi instance are we :D
14:52 < E_mE> dont worry.. think problem solved :)
14:52 < MikeSeth> E_mE: prolly index.php
14:52 < E_mE> i have a diferent file instead of index.php loading hte framework hehe
14:52  * MikeSeth is right :D
14:52 < E_mE> MikeSeth: yo yo.. you less stressed now?
14:52 < MikeSeth> no
14:52 < MikeSeth> lol
14:52 < E_mE> hehe
14:52 < E_mE> im launching LiveBlog app writen with agavi and mootools
14:53 < E_mE> will display a blog that is updated ever 15 seconds :D
14:57 < MrJeep> what's the directive in build.properties to specify another template directory ?
14:58 < MrJeep> agavi.template_dir ?
14:58 < CIA-56> david * r3543 /branches/dominik-validation-argument-sources/: bai branch keke
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14:58 < MikeSeth> templates.directory=${project.directory}/xxx
14:58 < MrJeep> ty mike
15:11 < CIA-56> david * r3544 /branches/david-stampede_protection/ (580 files in 46 dirs): merge [2601:3543/branches/0.11]
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15:24  * E_mE wants to throw his Redhat Enterprise 4.0 in hte bin on the rackspace server :(
15:25 < E_mE> its finding libxml2.6.16 even though 2.6.32 is installed on the server
15:25 < E_mE> and i can see it in the /usr/lib/ direcctory
15:25 < E_mE> grr!
15:37 < Macen> i remember libxml on rhel4 being an absolute pain 
15:37 < Macen> i'm surprised you got past 2.6.12 tbh
15:38 < Macen> required kernel upgrades to go past 2.6.12, which incidentally meant i couldn't get rid of the config validation error seen in the Agavi WTF
15:38 < Macen> still have problems with that to this day on centos
15:38 < Macen> annoying..
15:39 < trophaeum> and this my dear friends is why i use fedora or gentoo on webservers sigh
15:39 < Wombert> E_mE: "finding"?
15:39 < Wombert> sure it's not just the wrong headers?
15:40 < E_mE> Wombert: well the guy at rackspace installed it from an RPM source
15:41 < E_mE> and in the /usr/lib directory there is:
15:41 < E_mE> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root      17 Oct  8 10:01 libxml2.so -> libxml2.so.2.6.32
15:41 < E_mE> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root      17 Oct  8 10:00 libxml2.so.2 -> libxml2.so.2.6.32
15:41 < E_mE> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 3248848 Oct  6 16:32 libxml2.so.2.6.32
15:41 < E_mE> but phpinfo() is finding 2.6.16
15:41 < E_mE> god knows how :S
15:41 < Wombert> as I said
15:41 < Wombert> it might just be the wrong headers
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15:42 < E_mE> thank you Wombert :)
15:42 < E_mE> ill ask him about that
15:42 < Wombert> E_mE: don't ask him
15:42 < Wombert> E_mE: try it
15:43 < E_mE> well his in the server :S
15:43 < E_mE> how do i adjust headers?
15:43 < Wombert> E_mE: ...
15:43 < Wombert> just run the app
15:43 < Wombert> and see if it works
15:44 < E_mE> well im upgrading from 1.0b2 to 1.0b6
15:44 < E_mE> and it keep getting exceptions
15:44 < E_mE> i*
15:47 < Wombert> yes
15:47 < Wombert> of course you are
15:47 < Wombert> because it looks like you have 2.6.16
15:47 < Wombert> which is my point
15:47 < Wombert> it might just be the wrong headers
15:47 < Wombert> or are you getting the ugly lax wc blah exceptions?
15:48 < E_mE> no the lovly message you wrote one
15:48 < E_mE> saying about nov 2004 etc
15:49 < E_mE> Wombert: im guessing you dont mean headers for compiling PHP, you mean headers for the libraries or so?
15:49 < E_mE> my knowledge here is little flaky :S
15:49 < Wombert> E_mE: then disable that exception
15:49 < E_mE> ok... see if it still works :)
15:49 < Wombert> yes
15:49 < Wombert> finally :p
15:49 < E_mE> hehe 
15:56 < E_mE> Wombert: it appears that libxml is built statically into the php-cgi :(
15:56 < E_mE> man my old boss has fucked things up now
15:56 < E_mE> i may need to compile manually :S and install onto the live server
15:56 < E_mE> thats a VERY scary prospect
15:57 < Wombert> yeah sure its compied in statically
15:57 < Wombert> you need to recompile php
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16:05 < saracen> Wombert: What do I need to do in order to forward files through agavi? I want to make a resource model, so images/css files etc. have to be accessed through the application itself. I remember talk of a special/more efficient way of doing this is the httpd supports it
16:05 < saracen> if the*
16:07 < v-dogg> normally you just return a file resource or the file content from the view
16:09 < v-dogg> the web server can speed up the process using a special feature called x-sendfile 
16:09 < v-dogg> and naturally agavi can do that for you :)
16:10 < saracen> Do I have to fiddle with the output type at all, or is that detected?
16:10 < v-dogg> you have to check the view source, I don't remember how it works
16:10 < v-dogg> and of course your web server must support it
16:10 < MikeSeth> saracen: the biggest problem is mapping file types to HTTP Content-Type
16:11 < MikeSeth> saracen: the webservers do it natively using built in tables; if you do that in the backend you will have to implement such a map to at least some degree
16:12 < trophaeum> http://au.php.net/manual/en/function.finfo-file.php would be easy enough to use
16:12 < MikeSeth> saracen: so, you really shouldnt do that
16:13 < trophaeum> you could also use the time limited urls that lighttpd/nginx has support for and just use static files with a url that will only last as valid for xx secs
16:13 < trophaeum> depending on what your doing though that can cause a lot of extra downloads on files
16:20 < saracen> Yeah, I don't need links that will expire at all. I just have a single app which handles multiple sites. At the moment I have a themes directory, and then just use the pub directory for files the themes link to
16:21 < saracen> But I wanted it so that the themes folder could contain the images as well, so a theme is encapsulated to a single place
16:21 < Wombert> so
16:21 < Wombert> return fopen('...', 'rb');
16:21 < Wombert> will fpassthru() the file on send
16:21 < Wombert> which is a bit faster
16:22 < Wombert> if you have a web server with x-sendfile support, you can enable that
16:22 < Wombert> and it will send the header instead of the contents
16:22 < Wombert> which is vastly quicker as the web server does the I/O
16:22 < saracen> nginx is what the live server is using, whats apparently called X-Accel-Redirect
16:22 < Wombert> and the php process can terminate
16:22 < saracen> thats*
16:23 < saracen> Ah, I see that I can tell agavi what header name to use
16:26 < MikeSeth> saracen: unless you have to generate/modify static content on the fly you really should abstain from doing what I think you're doing
16:29 < saracen> hmm
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16:45 < Wombert> baiiii
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17:06 < _cheerios> jee
17:17 < E_mE> can anyone give me insights to this exception: Compilation of configuration file '/var/www/html/GWMigration/app/config/factories.xml' failed for the following reason(s):
17:17 < E_mE> Configuration file "/var/www/html/GWMigration/app/config/factories.xml" specifies unknown class "GasworldRbacUser" for entry "user"
17:18 < E_mE> this error wasn't displaying before :S
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17:21 < E_mE> I've got GasworldRbacUser in my autoload.xml file
17:21 < E_mE> why has this started happening with 1.0b6
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17:23 < E_mE> anyone... 
17:23 < E_mE> please
17:27 < _cheerios> im still at 0.11.? :) if you were too, i'd say name(in factories)/className -problem.
17:27 < _cheerios> -> gym
18:00 < Spica> Huomenta!
18:02 < Spica> Any best practices how to limit the software's exposure to Propel classes to Agavi Models while still maintaining OO concepts in Actions, Views and Templates?
18:02 < Spica> I.e. I would rather convert everything to arrays of strings.
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18:19 < Spica> *rather not
18:27 < graste> hm
18:28 < graste> create agavi models with wrapped propel models inside? so agavi models can have your business logic while a nice __call method in your base agavi model can redirect getXXX method calls to the propel model - actions can then call agavi models instead of propel models while using propel getXXX methods if nothing specific is needed
18:29 < Spica> When you mention model here, do you mean just a general library class created with agavi model-create?
18:31 < graste> you've got a projectbasemodel for your application - you then create frontend agavi models that make use of propel models
18:31 < graste> just an idea
18:31 < graste> <:
18:31 < graste> so the __call would be in projectbasemodel
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18:33 < Spica> Will consider, thanks!
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19:25 < v-dogg> re graste's idea: if I understood correctly that would mean handing your models over to the template which might not be such a good idea
19:26 < v-dogg> because in an ideal world all data is "pushed" to the template and templates (meaning developers/designers writing templates) should have no access to "pull" data
19:28 < v-dogg> especially when this gives them access to model's full API making it possible to do something silly like changing its state
19:29 < v-dogg> so, instead, I'd either use plain arrays or build a container object (extending ArrayObject perhaps)
19:30 < v-dogg> personally, as 99 times out of 100 the data coming from the model is pretty simple, I use arrays almost always
19:30 < v-dogg> but now something totally different ->
19:33 < _cheerios> v-dogg, lazy models, all happens in the template :)
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19:43 < E_mE> what do i need to do to downgrade 1.0b6 config files to 1.0b2 ?
19:45 < _cheerios> hmm, revert changes in your vcs
19:46 < E_mE> vcs sorrY?
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19:47 < _cheerios> *g*
19:47 < v-dogg> version control system
19:47 < v-dogg> like svn
19:47 < graste> huomenta
19:47 < _cheerios> huomenta graste
19:47 < E_mE> well, the modules where written in 1.0b6
19:48 < _cheerios> does 1.0 get that many changes? 0.11 hasn't had a change like since jan 2006 or so :D
19:48 < E_mE> i know, im a fecking idiot for not using 0.11.5 from the start :(
19:48 < v-dogg> configs are slowly moving to the new format
19:49 < E_mE> currently i keep getting this error:
19:49 < E_mE> Fatal error: Unsupported operand types in /var/www/html/GWMigration/app/lib/agavi/1.0b2/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php on line 358
19:50 < v-dogg> why haven't I had almost any problems with 1.0? I feel like an outsider :(
19:50 < graste> because you know the code? ^^
19:50 < E_mE> you proberbly quite aware of XML ;)
19:50 < E_mE> my XML skills are still fairly primative, to the level of configuration and not much further
19:50 < E_mE> but i think ill of learnt my lesson
19:51 < _cheerios>  <hello>world</hello> :)
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19:51 < E_mE> :)
19:52 < E_mE> its the namespacing which is fubaring me i think
19:52 < E_mE> really the problems im having is that my web server is CRAP!!
19:52 < E_mE> tried to build PHP earlier, and libxslt needed libxml2.la
19:52 < E_mE> which isn't on the server
19:53 < E_mE> and there aint no `supported` rpm package
19:53 < v-dogg> graste: http://pastebin.ca/1306712
19:53 < E_mE> :S
19:54 < graste> hm, yes
19:54 < graste> :x
19:55 < graste> so without __call it would be okay? =)
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19:56 < v-dogg> handing models to the template? no, __call is not the issue imo
19:56 < graste> oh that
19:56 < graste> ^^
19:57 < twenty-three> huomenta :) (just to stick with the rules) can anyone say how to output a gd generated image the right way? (well, I've found a way but that one doesn't feel right)
19:58 < graste> he asked about using models without getting to integrated with propel - all i tried to say is that you can use agavi models to abstract them (as an additional layer so to speak)
19:58 < v-dogg> return the image data or a resource handle (don't know how gd works) from the view's executeMyImageOutputType()
19:59 < impl> oh god
19:59 < impl> what happened to ticket 519
19:59 < v-dogg> twenty-three: and either define proper http headers (content type etc.) in output_types.xml or set them manually in the view
19:59 < impl>  (In [3534]) the dishwasher needs to finish *now* so I can make myself a
20:00 < impl>  coffee.
20:00 < v-dogg> wombs running low on caffeine
20:00 < v-dogg> or finally going mad
20:00 < v-dogg> even more than normally
20:00 < impl> looks like he ported a bunch of config handlers though
20:01 < v-dogg> yeah, he's a hard-working lad
20:01  * impl looks at what the coffee commit is
20:01 < impl> haha
20:01 < impl> he duplicated the file
20:01 < impl> inside the file
20:01 < v-dogg> muahahaa
20:01 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/3534
20:01 < impl> *g*
20:02 < twenty-three> v-dogg, I defined an output type "png" with image/png headers, so that's alright - now $response->setContent($imgResource) is wrong because agavi thinks it's a file stream (normally you would output your image with 'imagepng()')
20:02 < graste> hehe
20:02 < _cheerios> heh
20:02 < graste> probably same kick ass shortcut action ^^
20:02 < v-dogg> twenty-three: return imagepng(); 
20:03 < twenty-three> v-dogg, this function doesn't return anything, it's pushing the image right into the output buffer
20:03 < v-dogg> umm.. ok
20:03 < v-dogg> then I'm not sure what to do
20:04 < graste> twenty-three: already wrote your hoster about pcre? ^^
20:04 < twenty-three> my current solution: catch the output with ob_start() and call $response->setContent()... this is how it works...
20:04 < twenty-three> graste, I did but there was no answer so far :)
20:04 < graste> as expected
20:05 < twenty-three> right
20:06 < E_mE> mmm im only get this error when loading one module, if i load a module that was written in 1.0b2, it works fine
20:06 < E_mE> ive trie changing the xml files to look like the 1.0b2 module
20:07 < E_mE> is there something else i need to focus on as well?
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20:11 < graste> namespaces mainly and therefore it's often ae:parameter now in configs
20:12 < graste> did you look at the api_changelog and upgrade files? ^^
20:13 < impl> tbh this ae:parameter stuff makes life so much easier
20:13 < impl> lemme show you
20:13 < E_mE> well my Module Conference/ works fine
20:13 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/config/util/dom/AgaviXmlConfigDomElement.class.php#L430
20:13 < impl> so nice :>
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20:15 < E_mE> oh i think im getting little bit of success now YAY! :D
20:15 < E_mE> ill take a look at that in little bit :
20:20 < v-dogg> installing Chrome...
20:20 < graste> :c
20:21 < v-dogg> is it not hip?
20:21 < E_mE> what platform v?
20:21 < E_mE> v-dogg: 
20:22 < v-dogg> vista
20:22 < v-dogg> looks weird
20:23 < graste> opera > * :P
20:27 < E_mE> v-dogg: do you not get fustrated by the interface ;)
20:29 < graste> he's only looking for the pron mode <:
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20:31 < v-dogg> there's a pron mode! 
20:32 < v-dogg> oh you mean incognito mode?
20:32 < graste> private mode 
20:32 < graste> whatever it's called :>
20:37 < saracen> Is there a way I can assign a global template variable? just like $ro is assigned, for example
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21:59 < _cheerios> woot. got one commit in before midnight.
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22:45 < Wombert> impl: DONT TOUCH SANDVICH
22:45 < Wombert> also
22:45 < Wombert> don't touch ldmlconfighandler... I need to rewrite it next week, support new ldml format etc
22:45 < Wombert> same with RACH, it needs some fiddling, not just updates
22:45 < Wombert> but we need to do the xsd/tng stuff
22:46 < impl> mk
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22:59 < E_mE> woooohoo finally managed to fix and downgrade :)
23:00 < E_mE> and get the live blog working :D
23:01 < Wombert> downgrade?
23:01 < Wombert> that operand types error...
23:01 < Wombert> you need to clear the cache
23:01 < E_mE> from 1.0b6 to 1.0b2
23:01 < Wombert> by hand, probably
23:01 < E_mE> so that XSL didnt need to be used
23:01 < E_mE> i did, i deleted it many times
23:01 < Wombert> huh?
23:02 < Wombert> you just need to update your configs
23:02 < E_mE> i had so many problems it was unbelieveable
23:02 < Wombert> to the new formts
23:02 < Wombert> then it won't use xsl
23:02 < E_mE> you got any good sites i research what your config change is following so i know roughly whats happening hehe
23:02 < E_mE> like XML and RNG stuff
23:03 < E_mE> as im little blind atm
23:03 < Wombert> impl: would you happen to remember what the exact things missing from stampede protection were?
23:03 < E_mE> or recommended reading.
23:03 < Wombert> I think it didn't serve old content yet, just always error pages? or so?
23:03 < Wombert> E_mE: you just need to update the configs to the new structure, if you don't have ext/xsl
23:04 < Wombert> so they use the new namespaces etc
23:04 < Wombert> like the sample app
23:04 < E_mE> so manually go throw every config file and update?
23:04 < Wombert> impl: email me
23:04 < Wombert> gtg
23:04 < Wombert> yes, E_mE 
23:05 < E_mE> ok cool, thanks sweet dreams and all :)
23:05 < Wombert> baiii
23:05  * Wombert hugs all
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05:19 < Wombert> huomenta
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05:42 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:44 < Wombert> :>
05:44 < impl> WOMBERT
05:45 < impl> ICH HEISSE IMPL, WIE HEISSEN SIE?!?!
05:45 < impl> But seriously, I don't remember what we had to fix in stampede protection
05:45 < impl> it was like one thing that wasn't behaving right too :(
05:45 < v-dogg> ich bin ein sauerkraut
05:45 < Wombert> :>
05:46 < impl> do you still have the test script we were using in the branch?
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05:57 < Wombert> impl: imma debug with xdebug and braekpoints dis tie m
05:57 < Wombert> should be easier
05:57 < Wombert> so hows your german lessons going
05:57 < Wombert> how many hours of classes do you have per week?
05:57 < Wombert> mmmh TOAST NOM NOM
05:57  * Wombert omnoms
05:59 < impl> Wombert: eh um
05:59 < impl> 13 hours
05:59 < impl> and I've only been to the very first class of German :P
06:00 < Wombert> 13 per week?
06:00 < Wombert> 13hrs of *german* classes?
06:00 < impl> so I can say HALLO and GUTEN TAG and TSCHUESS and AUF WIEDERSEHEN
06:00 < impl> no
06:00 < impl> 13 hours of *classes*
06:00 < Wombert> LOL
06:00 < Wombert> 13?
06:00 < Wombert> dude
06:00 < Wombert> :>
06:00 < Wombert> thats nothing
06:00 < impl> Yeah, I know
06:00 < impl> because I'm a lazy fuck and I like it that way
06:02 < impl> (plus I already have way too many credits, next semester I'll be technically third-year even though I'm only really second-year)
06:02 < Wombert> AHA
06:02 < Wombert> SO YOURE A BRIGHT GUY THEN
06:02 < Wombert> WHO WOULD OF THUNK
06:02 < Wombert> bwahah
06:02  * impl slaps Wombert 
06:02 < Wombert> mmmm
06:02 < Wombert> :>
06:03 < Wombert> yeah but that's cool
06:03 < Wombert> glad to hear it's going well (is it?)
06:03 < impl> < Wombert> .oO( What a stereotypically lazy American, man )
06:03 < Wombert> so basically, you pwn it, but you don't like it. that's rather fuinny.
06:03 < impl> Yes, exactly
06:03 < Wombert> hey I was meaning to ask that the other day
06:03 < Wombert> since when can you read my thoughts
06:03 < Wombert> in full IRC formatting
06:04 < impl> umh
06:04 < impl> I'm like Jesus
06:04 < impl> with dish soap
06:04 < impl> :D
06:10 < Wombert> :p
06:12 < Wombert> http://www.uncrate.com/men/style/shoes/air-jordan-2009/ sex
06:12 < Wombert> shame I don't play basketball
06:12 < impl> ...
06:13 < impl> they're just shoes =\
06:18 < Wombert> oh great
06:18 < Wombert> germany is getting internets filters!
06:18 < Wombert> yay!
06:19 < Wombert> the first one to guess how they're justifying it gets as many washing machines as he can carry at the same time
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07:45 < MikeSeth> huomenta
07:46 < v-dogg> huom.
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07:57 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:17 < liutis> huomenta
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08:44 < Seldaek> Wombert: got a moment to help me get my flow tests running?
08:44 < Wombert> uh
08:44 < Wombert> I can try :p
08:44 < Seldaek> because I tried to replicate the sample app thingy
08:45 < Seldaek> and well so far I get a fatal error about the XSL ext
08:45 < Seldaek> okay I guess that's normal
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08:56 < Seldaek> meh
09:01 < graste> huomenta
09:05 < Seldaek> Wombert: :) Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'AgaviConfigurationException' with message 'Configuration file "/test/config/suites.xml" does not have a registered handler' in \lib\agavi\src\config\AgaviConfigCache.class.php:175
09:05 < Seldaek> paths are from the project dir
09:07 < Seldaek> ah now I have another one.. 
09:14 < Seldaek> okay I give up for now, but Wombert (or whoever wrote the agavi test stuff) please consider writing some guide about how to set it up.. or at least what files should be copied/changed/ran with what cli params
09:15 < v-dogg> I believe felix is in charge of the test framework
09:16 < Wombert> yes
09:18 < v-dogg> and I also believe docs are coming when they are coming :p
09:19 < Seldaek> well I know how it is, but writing 10 lines on the matter might not be such a waste of time
09:24 < Wombert> Seldaek: figure it out, then write those ten lines
09:28 < Seldaek> well that's the problem
09:28 < Seldaek> I spent two hours looking at the damn thing and going from an error to the other
09:29 < Seldaek> so I'd gladly write the lines but figuring it out is a bit of an issue
09:30 < v-dogg> broken citrix is broken
09:30 < v-dogg> makes me so fecking mad. gotta do something else for awhile to cool down
09:32 < Seldaek> what's felix's nick btw?
09:32 < v-dogg> xylant
09:32 < Seldaek> ah right
09:32 < v-dogg> xylakant, sorry :)
09:33 < Seldaek> yeah :p
09:33 < v-dogg> Seldaek: let's try this together
09:33 < v-dogg> what did you do and what didn't work?
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09:36 < Seldaek> well I copied the stuff from the sample app
09:36 < Seldaek> from sample/test
09:36 < Seldaek> then modified run-tests.php to add some custom autoloaders I need for my libs
09:37 < Seldaek> and then I have two AgaviFlow test suites 
09:37 < Seldaek> and I tried php -c php.ini run-tests.php "TextUI/Command.php" --verbose
09:38 < Seldaek> and so far I got to the point where PHPUnit tells me it can't find RegisterFlowTests.php 
09:38 < Seldaek> which AgaviTests is feeding into it I believe
09:39 < Wombert> mmm
09:40 < Seldaek> and I am on windows btw, which probably doesn't help
09:40 < Wombert> RegisterFlowTests?
09:40 < Seldaek> yes
09:40 < Wombert> that's nowhere in the source code
09:40 < Wombert> did you add that?
09:40 < Seldaek> yes
09:40 < Wombert> why
09:40 < Seldaek> it's LoginFlowTests modified
09:40 < Wombert> use suites.xml to add tests or so
09:40 < Wombert> mm
09:40 < Wombert> hmm
09:40 < Seldaek> well because I want to test my register form
09:40 < Seldaek> yes it's added to suites.xml
09:41 < Wombert> class name right?
09:41 < Wombert> paste the file
09:41 < Seldaek> yes it's right
09:41 < Wombert> paste suites.xml and RegisterFlowTests.php
09:43 < Wombert> is it .php or .class.php?
09:43 < Wombert> I just copied LoginFlowTest.php to LoginFlowTest2.php, added to suites.xml, works fine
09:43 < Seldaek> http://ip.seld.be/paste/239/
09:43 < Seldaek> how did you run it btw Wombert ?
09:43 < Wombert> dude
09:43 < Wombert> are you blind
09:43 < Wombert> FlowTest
09:44 < Wombert> FlowTests
09:44 < Wombert> ...
09:44 < Seldaek> maybe:)
09:44 < Wombert> php run-tests.php
09:44 < Seldaek> bah
09:44  * Seldaek cries
09:44 < Wombert> ...
09:44  * Wombert stabs
09:44 < Seldaek> it MIGHT not be the only problem though :p
09:44 < Wombert> we'll see <:
09:45 < Wombert> so how the fark do I merge this farking branch fark
09:45  * Wombert stabs
09:45 < Wombert> I need to switch branches/david-stampede_protection to be based on 1.0
09:45 < Wombert> but ow
09:45 < Wombert> how
09:46 < Wombert> I could apply the diffs between 0.11 and 1.0 and commit, but that kinda wrecks the history, right
09:46 < Wombert> hmmm
09:46  * Wombert ponders
09:48 < Seldaek> okay now I'm back to the point where phpunit runs the tests but gets exceptions each time, let me throw that into a file see what they say
09:52 < Seldaek> ah dammit
09:58 < Seldaek> okay now I get unknown database blah, which is kinda good news, at least it ran
09:58 < MikeSeth> Seldaek
09:58 < MikeSeth> Dwoo = SO MUCH WIN
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09:59 < MikeSeth> thx
09:59 < MikeSeth> srsly I order you all to use it
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10:03 < Seldaek> okay :p
10:04 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: elaborate, please
10:09 < LBO_> omenta
10:09 < LBO_> huomenta*
10:10 < Wombert> MikeSeth: yes, please elaborate
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10:22 < MikeSeth> It saves me a lot of effort coding the UI
10:22 < MikeSeth> e.g.
10:22 < MikeSeth> I have a selectbox plugin that renders <select> elements
10:22 < MikeSeth> on top of it I have a language_selectbox plugin that retrieves & caches language selection from the model and draws a language selection box
10:22 < MikeSeth> now that I have those I can use them anywhere in the UI
10:22 < MikeSeth> instant winner
10:23 < MikeSeth> and when the dev cycle is over, I can take all the plugins and implement them as Dwoo cacheables
10:24 < MikeSeth> then I can slap the native agavi cache on top of the output and get a nice performance maxout
10:24 < MikeSeth> :P
10:24 < MikeSeth> I am refactoring a legacy assplication right now, rewritting spaghetti code in Dwoo
10:27 < Wombert> yeah okay plugins rock
10:27 < Wombert> but anything speciifc about dwoo that is different?
10:27 < Wombert> doesn't it have template inheritance or something
10:28 < MikeSeth> well DWOO is a templating DSL
10:28 < MikeSeth> but it is closer to PHP than Smarty ever was
10:29 < MikeSeth> e.g. in smarty you couldn't call {foo 1 2 3 array(cat="fish")}
10:29 < MikeSeth> in Dwoo you can
10:29 < MikeSeth> much improved templating syntax, in general, and way saner conventions
10:29 < MikeSeth> also, Smarty was designed to generate code that generates the output
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10:30 < Wombert> slow merge is slow
10:30 < MikeSeth> Dwoo was designed to generate code; it caches better than smarty ever could (and behaves nicer in error conditions)
10:30 < Wombert> hm
10:30 < MikeSeth> Smarty is a product of many years of trial & error, with feature creep etc etc
10:30 < MikeSeth> Dwoo is a clean PHP5 rewrite without the crud that accumulated in Smarty
10:30 < MikeSeth> so it fits very well with Agavi
10:31 < MikeSeth> Wombert: {a url("items.edit" array(id=$item.id))}Edit this item{/a}
10:31 < MikeSeth> way nicer than print $ro->gen...
10:32 < MikeSeth> I know your aversion for template engines :P
10:34 < Wombert> ewwwwww
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10:43 < graste> so it's: {a url("items.edit" array(id=$item.id))}Edit this item{/a}    vs.    <a href="<?php echo $ro->gen('items.edit', array('id'=>$item->getId()))" title="asdf">Edit this item</a>
10:43 < graste> ?
10:52 < LBO_> is that dwoo renderer available anywhere?
10:55 < Wombert> it's in the dwoo source I think
10:56 < CIA-56> david * r3545 /branches/david-stampede_protection/ (964 files in 156 dirs): porting branch to 1.0
10:57 < LBO_> indeed
11:02 < graste> don't see the improvement when using another template engine tbh :<
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11:32 < MikeSeth> LBO_: in the dwoo wiki
11:32 < MikeSeth> graste: yep.
11:37 < graste> k :)
11:58 < MikeSeth> weee Assemblage 23 on the radio
11:58 < MikeSeth> last.fm ftw
11:59 < Seldaek> MikeSeth: btw if you like syntax tricks you can do {a url(stuff); "title" /} or replace "title" with $bleh or anything even multiple like {a url(); foo(); $var; "str" /} 
11:59 < Seldaek> doesn't change much but well
12:02 < MikeSeth> Seldaek: <33333333
12:04 < MikeSeth> Seldaek: btw http://longcat.pastebin.com/m4d8ae6b1
12:04 < MikeSeth> add it to the mainline
12:07 < LBO_> Mike it looks nice - I hate idea of form object (vide ZF, sf), but such little parametrized helpers are great things
12:08 < MikeSeth> yeah very convenient
12:08 < Wombert> MikeSeth: errr
12:08 < Wombert> fail
12:09 < Wombert> :)
12:09 < Wombert> MikeSeth: allow two-dimentional arrays
12:09 < Wombert> for <optgroup>s
12:09 < Wombert> use count($arr) != count($arr, true) to see if its 2D
12:09 < MikeSeth> Wombert: I never use optgroups anywhere, I consider them in bad taste
12:09 < Wombert> they aren't
12:10 < Wombert> they rock
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12:10 < Wombert> COUNT_RECURSIVE instead of true
12:10 < MikeSeth> in all my practice I had to use them only once and even then it was eventually factored out in favour of ajaxy UI with quick search
12:10 < saracen> Wombert: I want to get a global variable in my templates, in that it doesnt have to be accessed via the template variable. I can't figure out how to do it. Is there anyway I can do this from a routing callback?
12:10 < Wombert> eh?
12:10 < MikeSeth> saracen: um, global $foo?
12:10 < Wombert> no
12:11 < Wombert> what does routing have to do with templates :p
12:11 < Wombert> sounds like you need to build your own renderer
12:12 < saracen> Wombert: Well, not much. But the routing callback gets the theme from the database
12:12 < saracen> Well, it does that via a model
12:12 < v-dogg> $rq->get/setAttribute() (but this might cause problems with caching, though)
12:16 < Seldaek> MikeSeth: also in trunk you've sub-templates available if you like that.. it's kinda like plugins defined in the template itself
12:16 < MikeSeth> Seldaek: is nice :D
12:17 < Seldaek> much better than includes on the performance end I believe
12:17 < Seldaek> didn't really bench it
12:18 < MikeSeth> Seldaek: you should make a compiling facility like Doctrine::Compiler
12:18 < MikeSeth> feed all the plugins into a big blob
12:18 < MikeSeth> does wonders to performance especially when you have e.g. apc in production
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12:19 < MikeSeth> though if you have apc then includes dont really matter anyway, with stat=0 performance penalty is near zero
12:19 < Seldaek> MikeSeth: well from my benchmarks.. using Dwoo.compiled.php as opposed to the autoload one doesn't change anything
12:19 < Seldaek> with apc that is
12:19 < Seldaek> people without apc don't have a right to bitch about performance anyway
12:20 < MikeSeth> Seldaek: to my observation, apc gives about 30% improvement in production
12:20 < Seldaek> yes but I mean compiled versus stock file doesn't seem to change much
12:20 < Seldaek> in doctrine maybe because it's hundreds of classes?
12:20 < Seldaek> but here it doesn't seem to be worth it.. making your plugins compilable however might help but sometimes it's a pain
12:23 < saracen> bah, I've forgotten. How do I change the template variable from $template to jus $t
12:23 < saracen> just $t*
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12:24 < LBO_> "var_name" parameter od phprenderer
12:25 < saracen> thank you
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13:27 < E_mE> huomenta!
13:28 < E_mE> if you want to see an Agavi+Mootools Live! Blog go to http://www.gasworld.com/conferences/south-america-2009/liveblog
13:28 < E_mE> ;D
13:29 < E_mE> there slive streams happening now :D
13:29 < E_mE> http://www.gasworld.com/blog/south-america-2009/juan-carlos-future-devs-metals-mining-industry
13:29 < E_mE> thats a live stream
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13:39 < Wombert> :>
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13:40 < E_mE> Wombert: you like?
13:41 < MrJeep> morning
13:42 < MrJeep> can i see ?
13:42 < E_mE> http://www.gasworld.com/blog/south-america-2009/juan-carlos-future-devs-metals-mining-industry
13:42 < E_mE> my Agavi+Mootools Conference live Feed :) MrJeep 
13:42 < MrJeep> oh nice :)
13:44 < Macen> Web site is looking a lot better E_mE 
13:45 < Macen> in fact looks like they could do with a new logo to catch up with the rest of the site
13:45 < E_mE> thanks ... 
13:45 < Macen> ya..
13:45 < Macen> it does look better
13:45 < E_mE> well, thats not my place.. tell the MD that
13:45 < MrJeep> so this is your ... personal professional blog ?
13:45 < E_mE> not, its  live stream from the Conference in Chile which is happening at the moment
13:47 < Macen> looks like the minutes to me
13:48 < E_mE> well its a transcript more
13:48 < Macen> ya
13:49 < Macen> why do you have link on the right going to http://www.gasworld.com/# ?
13:49 < Macen> where the peoples names are
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13:49 < E_mE> if you keep your eyes on hte feed, you will see it auto update
13:49 < E_mE> yes im aware of that
13:51 < Macen> i'd prefer to see it start with a height of 0px and then during the transition open up to the height of the box 
13:51 < Macen> but that would be entirely nit picky :)
13:52 < Macen> nice fade though it grabs your attention 
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14:03 < digitarald> E_mE: so the speech from our beloved King is updated live ... *starring*
14:03 < digitarald> ... doesn't update ... maybe I'd wait
14:03 < E_mE> ja he has to place posts
14:03 < E_mE> the next feed has started
14:04 < E_mE> digitarald: http://www.gasworld.com/blog/south-america-2009/eduardo-pellitti-drivers-for-growth-south-america
14:04 < digitarald> I'll fly to Chile in 10 days ... and will check if its really live :P
14:04 < E_mE> hehe, well it perform an ajax request every 15 seconds
14:04 < E_mE> to see if its updated
14:04 < E_mE> and if so, pops a new mesage on the top
14:06 < MrJeep> hum
14:06 < E_mE> ?
14:06 < MrJeep> trying to replace \n to br in a textarea with javascript
14:06 < MrJeep> it's not working very well
14:07 < MrJeep> what's wrong with this
14:07 < MrJeep> previewText = previewText.replace(/\n/i, '<br />');
14:08 < MrJeep> or this : previewText = previewText.replace('\n', '<br />');
14:08 < digitarald> double escape \\
14:09 < digitarald> first one should work ... with /\n/g
14:09 < digitarald> do u want to count characters?
14:09 < digitarald> or auto size?
14:10 < MrJeep> actually it's simpler than that. It's for a preview 'thing'
14:10 < MrJeep> I take the text from a textarea
14:10 < MrJeep> replace \n to br
14:10 < MrJeep> and put it inside a div
14:11 < MrJeep> \g indeed works
14:11 < MrJeep> thanks
14:11 < MrJeep> what's the 'g' modifier used for ?
14:14 < digitarald> global
14:14 < digitarald> :) ... replaces *all* matches
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14:24 < MrJeep> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
14:24 < MrJeep> make sense now :)
14:24 < MrJeep> ty !
14:24 < digitarald> no problem
14:25 < digitarald> best reference: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference/Objects/RegExp
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14:40 < E_mE> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7824939.stm <-- interesting
14:41 < Wombert> digitarald: lol
14:41 < Wombert> ehm
14:41 < Wombert> that wasn't the king of spain
14:41 < Wombert> ...
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14:43 < Rick> huh...
14:43 < Rick> weird php behavior
14:43 < Rick> ksort() on array keys of floats converts the keys to ints?
14:44 < digitarald> "We need to make sure every programmer knows how to write code that is free of the top 25 errors." :D
14:45 < digitarald> the 25 very generic and very typical errors
14:45 < digitarald> #1 ... Improper Input Validation
14:46 < Rick> its neat though... because using this trick you could convert unsigned int values (sorted as float) back to an int or something :p
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15:10 < MrJeep> interesting article
15:10 < MrJeep> except it does not give any example
15:11 < MrJeep> like
15:11 < MrJeep> CWE-642:External Control of Critical State Data 
15:11 < MrJeep> wtf is this
15:14 < Wombert> http://cwe.mitre.org/top25/
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15:27 < impl> o hai
15:27 < MikeSeth> 9/11
15:28 < Wombert> you started it
15:28 < Wombert> ohai impl 
15:29 < impl> I'm up before noon
15:29 < impl> sir.
15:29  * Wombert has been fiddling with stampede protection for the last six hours
15:29 < Wombert> great for you
15:29 < Wombert> sir.
15:29 < Wombert> :>
15:29 < impl> The problem was a race condition
15:29 < Wombert> orly?
15:29 < impl> yeah
15:29 < Wombert> right now I have the problem that the locks don't seem to be released properly
15:29 < Wombert> not sure why
15:29 < Wombert> it's a bitch to debug
15:30 < Wombert> I'd ideally need two xdebug sessions, but meh...
15:30 < Wombert> I think netbeans can only do one at a time
15:30 < Wombert> meh meh
15:30 < impl> the problem with trying to do atomic locks in PHP is that it's PHP
15:30 < Wombert> nah, memcache based
15:30 < Wombert> existing lock means sp is active for the element (so its fail safe in case the lock entry gets flushed)
15:31 < impl> your unlock() is probably off by a few lines of code
15:31 < impl> is the most recent version committed?
15:32 < Wombert> well
15:32 < Wombert> no
15:32 < Wombert> :)
15:32 < impl> can you commit it so I can look at it? :)
15:32 < Wombert> nah, it's this implementation of it that I'm toying with
15:32 < Wombert> the support inside agavi *should* be done
15:32 < Wombert> I think it was just some locking thing in the callbacks or so
15:32  * impl squints
15:33 < Wombert> I could show you the code, but it's not going to be reproducible
15:34 < impl> Okay, if you say so :>
15:36 < Wombert> impl: jabber? :>
15:37 < E_mE> Wombert: what is stampede protection? i assume its to prevent too many requests happening in a short period of times from one host?
15:37 < impl> Wombert: one second
15:38 < Wombert> something like that, E_mE 
15:38 < E_mE> cool
15:38 < Wombert> consider the home page of your website
15:38 < Wombert> it's linked to on digg
15:38 < Wombert> and it takes 10 seconds to generate
15:38 < Wombert> now the cache goes stale
15:38 < Wombert> and you get 1000 hits per second
15:38 < Wombert> which all take ten seconds to process
15:38 < E_mE> eeekkk
15:39 < Wombert> so for at least ten seconds, you get hits that all do the same stuff
15:39 < Wombert> that situation would probably bring the server down
15:39 < Wombert> solution is to execute the first hit, and keep the others waiting
15:39 < Wombert> (in a sleep() loop, or, better, by showing an ad that reloads after five seconds :D)
15:39 < Wombert> or, if there is old content
15:39 < E_mE> so do you have some sort information stored on the server to say! Yo wait other hosts till the cache has been executed?
15:39 < trophaeum> personally id serve the stale cache if it was still around
15:39 < Wombert> just serve the old content until the new one is ready
15:40 < Wombert> yes trophaeum 
15:40 < E_mE> ah i see
15:40 < impl> grar, WHY YOU DON'T CONNECT >!<>TYJWSDJF
15:41 < trophaeum> if ur storing in memcache with the data being an array/object, check the expire time and if your 95-8% (randomized) of the way there rebuild now and lock it flagging it as being rebuilt so no other threads jump in and do the same
15:41 < trophaeum> randomizer should handle when a lot of objects go stale at once nicely
15:41 < E_mE> Wombert: how do you possibly test if the stampede protection works, how can you replciation like a 1000 requests at once?
15:42 < Wombert> I don't need to do that; it's enough to somehow create a loop inside the action, hit it, then make a second request to see if it works
15:42 < trophaeum> live site? :) iv got a site that sustains 500req/sec
15:42 < impl> Wombert: What's the 'actual' Jabber hostname?
15:42 < E_mE> seen :)
15:42 < Wombert> impl: you don't need that, unless your client is retarded
15:42 < impl> my client is being retarded
15:42 < impl> :>
15:42 < E_mE> trophaeum: which site of your has 500req sec?
15:42 < Wombert> the purple one?
15:43 < Wombert> that works fine
15:43 < impl> No
15:43 < impl> Miranda
15:43 < Wombert> lol
15:43 < Wombert> forget miranda
15:43 < Wombert> doesn't work
15:43 < Wombert> never did
15:43 < impl> goddamnit
15:43 < Wombert> miranda = biggest retards in the universe
15:43 < Wombert> impl: take that purple one
15:43 < impl> Pidgin looks like ass on Windows
15:43 < Wombert> that they also have one linux
15:43 < impl> ASS.
15:43 < Wombert> yes pidgin
15:43 < Wombert> purple, bird, sth like that
15:43 < Wombert> why is it purple anyway
15:43 < Wombert> pigeons are white
15:43 < impl> the library is called libpurple
15:44 < Wombert> yes
15:44 < impl> which is probably because the developers are homosexual
15:44 < trophaeum> go file a bug report complaining then :P
15:44 < Wombert> you mean as homosexual as the miranda devs, who built it so it supports only *one* connection per service at a time?
15:44 < Wombert> *that* is homosexual man
15:44 < impl> you just have to copy the DLL file
15:44 < Wombert> miranda is *the* reason I switched to mac
15:45 < Wombert> impl: no, bollocks
15:45 < impl> you just have to copy the DLL file
15:45 < impl> you just have to copy the DLL file
15:45 < Wombert> I tried, and it doesn't work
15:45 < impl> it does too work, I just did it
15:45 < Wombert> you're not online :p
15:45 < impl> But the plugin itself works
15:46 < impl> now I'll install Pidgin to make you happy
15:46 < Wombert> miranda is an utterly depressing piece of crap
15:46 < Wombert> yes, but not tls
15:46 < Wombert> it's super fail
15:46 < Wombert> btw, in pidgin you need to restart
15:46 < Wombert> so user names show up
15:46 < Wombert> it's a bit retarded, too
15:46 < impl> no
15:46 < impl> incorrect
15:46 < impl> iChat Server is a bit retarded
15:46 < Wombert> it's not ichat server
15:47 < Wombert> I looked at the raw data
15:47 < impl> then why does it work magically with Openfire
15:47 < impl> :>
15:47 < Wombert> it submits the info fine
15:47 < Wombert> but you need to restart pidgin once so it actually shows the user names in the contact list
15:47 < Wombert> adium works fine... and that uses libpurple, too
15:48 < impl> then why does it work magically with Openfire :D :D :D
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16:04 < Seldaek> Wombert: miranda dev versions have been supporting multiple accounts per protocol for about a year now I think, and before that the dll copy thing worked perfectly fine
16:04 < Seldaek> interestingly enough miranda is part of the reasons why I really don't want to leave windows :p
16:05 < Wombert> Seldaek: back in 2005, it crashed every time
16:05 < Wombert> and took the database with it
16:05 < Wombert> and it was just a fuckign disgrace
16:05 < Wombert> and ugly
16:05 < Seldaek> well, I use irc in a console and I made my miranda looks as close as that as I could.. so.. don't care for ugly
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16:06 < Seldaek> as for the crashes, I didn't have any deadly crash iirc 
16:06 < Seldaek> some losses maybe in the early days I used it 
16:06 < Seldaek> anyway it doesn't matter :)
16:06 < impl> ZOMBIE SCHNITZEL
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16:18 < v-dogg> cwe.mitre.org is taking too long to respond... :(
16:19 < v-dogg> _everybody_ read Wombert's blog post at the same time
16:19 < Wombert> haha
16:19 < Wombert> :>
16:20 < Wombert> it takes some time to load
16:22 < v-dogg> usa's fatty count keeps amazing me
16:22 < v-dogg> 1/3 are obese, 1/3 overweight
16:23 < v-dogg> so that leaves the last 1/3 for normal and skinny people :o
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16:32 < _cheerios> jee
16:35 < _cheerios> EMERGENCY! FACEBOOK WON'T LET ME IN DUE "MAINTENANCE"
16:36 < Wombert> what is this facebook
16:36 < Wombert> srsly
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16:40 < impl> Wombert: It's a ripoff of your German site "StudiVZ"
16:41 < Wombert> wat
16:41 < Wombert> you stupid americans
16:41 < Wombert> too fat^H^H^Hobese to come up with your own ideas
16:41 < impl> D:
16:42 < MikeSeth> DER LIES
16:42 < impl> DER DAMN LIES, UND DER STATISTICS
16:43 < Wombert> DIE BART, DIE
16:43 < Wombert> :>
16:44 < impl> lolol
16:46 < _cheerios> i read yesterday finns are as dumb as germans (only brits are dumber), when it comes to knowing how many countries are part of EU
16:48 < _cheerios> any copying going on, does not suprise me at all :rollseyes:
16:50 < Macen> is it 12?
16:50 < Wombert> lol
16:54 < impl> Why would you know /how many/ countries are part of the EU?
16:55 < impl> Isn't it better to be able to tell whether a specific country is part of it or not, rather than simply know the count of how many there are?
16:55 < impl> sounds like a stupid statistic to me :>
17:01 < CIA-56> david * r3546 /branches/david-stampede_protection/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php: set lock only if action is cacheable
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18:42 < Seldaek> a validator can't modify it's input value can it? 
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18:56 < Spica> Anything particular that I should take into account when upgrading from beta6 to beta7?
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19:09 < v-dogg> Seldaek: it can
19:11 < v-dogg> $data = & $this->getData(...
19:11 < v-dogg> and/or via export 
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19:36 < Spica> Umm.. this is a php question rather than an Agavi question so please excuse me but is there any difference between the following three ways of printing a variable:
19:37 < Spica> <?php print $t['foo']; ?>
19:37 < Spica> <?php echo $t['foo']; ?>
19:37 < Spica> <?= $t['foo']; ?>
19:41 < _cheerios> last one uses short tags, which iirc, are deprecated in php 6
19:45 < v-dogg> yup
19:45 < v-dogg> and echo == print
19:45 < v-dogg> they are just aliases
19:45 < v-dogg> short tags is also a feature not enabled by default
19:46 < Spica> Damn. I have got used to short tags in Java.
19:46 < _cheerios> use a templating language like smarty to just do {$t.foo}, nicer
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19:47 < v-dogg> dwoo (dwoo.org) was praised just earlier today
19:47 < Spica> I have heard of smarty but do not really know what it is. I just confessed to v-dogg two hours ago that I had no idea what __get, __set and __call are for.
19:48 < v-dogg> almost like Smarty but better, they claim
19:48 < v-dogg> they being MikeSeth and Seldaek (<- dwoo developer)
19:48 < Spica> I did check them out already though. I am not sure if I like them.. particularly __call seemed dangerous.
19:50 < v-dogg> Spica: Smarty and Dwoo (and a million others) are templating languages that are supposed to make writing templates easier. PHP itself is of course a templating language but the syntax doesn't please everybody
19:51 < v-dogg> e.g. <?php echo htmlspecialchars($foo); ?> v.s. { $foo | escape}
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19:53 < krycek> what would be the equivalent to <?php echo $ro->gen("blah", array("param1" => 1)); ?> in dwoo?
19:54 < v-dogg> { url('blah' ... something
19:54 < v-dogg> I think that was also covered today, check the logs from this afternoon
19:54 < Seldaek> {url("blah", array(param1=1))} to be precise
19:54 < _cheerios> {$ro->gen('blah', $array)] // you need to have the array defined already
19:54 < v-dogg> Seldaek to ze rescue
19:55 < Seldaek> no you don't _cheerios 
19:55 < _cheerios> (smarty)
19:55 < Seldaek> ah yeah there you do
19:55 < krycek> hmmmm... good
19:56 < graste> i'll stick to php :p
19:56 < Seldaek> it's a matter of taste mostly 
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19:57 < krycek> i left smarty because it was a pain to deal with arrays
19:57 < v-dogg> matter of taste. said a dog while licking its balls (old finnish saying)
19:57 < krycek> dwoo looks better in that matter
19:58 < graste> hehe v-dogg
19:58 < graste> :>
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19:58 < graste> anyone likes savant?
19:59 < graste> but that uses php as well <:
19:59 < graste> hm
19:59 < graste> will have a look at dwoo to see if it rocks :>
20:00 < Seldaek> haha v-dogg 
20:00 < Seldaek> savant sounds quite pointless with agavi
20:00 < Seldaek> I mean agavi already provides the "template handling" stuff 
20:00 < graste> yep
20:00 < Seldaek> and that's all savant does anyway
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20:05 < graste> dwoo syntax doesn't look that bad tbh :)
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20:07 < graste> is it possible to have default values if something's empty or not defined? smth like {itemtext|'default'}
20:07 < Seldaek> in what context?
20:07 < graste> ? 
20:07 < graste> template?
20:07 < Seldaek> I don't know do you have a more precise example ?
20:07 < Seldaek> because I don't get default for what?:)
20:08 < graste> default value for e.g. an items' title
20:08 < graste> if it's empty or not defined
20:08 < graste> just as fallback
20:08 < Seldaek> ah, well it supports smarty's default mod so : {$title|default:"bleh"} works
20:08 < Seldaek> or you have the ternary op with {tif $title ?: "bleh"} 
20:08 < graste> never really used smarty
20:09 < Seldaek> that will return title is it's non null
20:09 < graste> :>
20:09 < graste> k
20:10 < graste> when you use it with agavi do you still use translation manager and similar in the template? e.g. for date formatting or route generation? or do you define everything in the view and just output?
20:11 < Seldaek> I use agavi stuff in the templates because it's much easier to write than constantly switching between two files and well the agavi internals aren't exactly short to write usually
20:12 < Seldaek> so I have a bunch of plugins that help
20:12 < Seldaek> like the url one for routes
20:12 < Seldaek> and a t for translations
20:12 < graste> i c
20:13 < Seldaek> but well that's really up to you
20:14 < graste> yeah, like the plugin system as far as i can tell after 2minutes - and your code coverage of course :D
20:14 < graste> gives this warm fuzzy feeling =)
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20:14 < graste> you should have an agavi folder in your plugins directory 
20:15 < Seldaek> well no :)
20:15 < Seldaek> but you have <parameter name="plugin_dir">%core.lib_dir%/renderer/plugins</parameter>
20:16 < graste> hehe
20:18 < Seldaek> and another thing I'd strongly recommend is (requires svn trunk) <parameter name="auto_escape">true</parameter>
20:18 < Seldaek> because after a while I realized that I had gotten used to not escaping anything since my own framework did it for me
20:18 < Seldaek> and I had holes everywhere so rather than trying to fix them well that approach is easier
20:19 < Seldaek> it escapes all unless you mark as safe
20:21 < graste> okay
20:21 < graste> good one
20:21 < graste> :>
20:22 < graste> may the IRC log of this channel be always available :D
20:22 < v-dogg> Seldaek: does it htmlentities() or htmlspecialchars()?
20:22 < Seldaek> specialchars I believe
20:22 < v-dogg> good
20:22 < Seldaek> yes
20:23 < Seldaek> htmlspecialchars(bleh, ENT_QUOTES, $charset)
20:23 < graste> btw Wombert? you said somthing about running 2 instances of netbeans to debug parallel or smth
20:23 < graste> did you try to run netbeans with different user dirs?
20:23 < graste> should imho work - at least two instances of netbeans - not sure about different debugging or whatever you need
20:24 < graste> but i think with different debugging settings for the session this should work as well
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20:28 < _cheerios> any place to order the php elephant?
20:28 < Spica> Where should I place my own execptions that are thrown by my models?
20:29 < v-dogg> where to place to code? app/lib/exception
20:30 < _cheerios> i got a pink django pony today to the office, this needs a retaliation :)
20:30 < Spica> v-dogg: Should I inherit the agavi exception class?
20:31 < v-dogg> _cheerios: put an agavi t-shirt on it :)
20:31 < v-dogg> Spica: nah, I don't see any point in that
20:31 < v-dogg> or wait
20:32 < Seldaek> _cheerios: not sure they are still on sale
20:33 < v-dogg> Spica: well, agavi exceptions can be rendered with agavi's exception templates but that's really useful for development only
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20:35 < Spica> v-dogg: Okay. So I just figure out how to write Exceptions in PHP and do not extend the Agavi classes.
20:35 < Spica> I hate it that Propel returns nulls instead of throwing reasonable exceptions.
20:36 < _cheerios> given how complex Propel is, there's probably a setting for that, Spica
20:36 < _cheerios> plus, sounds like how PDO behaves
20:37 < trophaeum> not that i remember, your talking about when you get no results from a query?
20:37 < v-dogg> I don't think so either
20:37 < Spica> _cheerios: Could be but I have not seen it in the documentation. And I haven't got around examining the source code.
20:37 < Spica> As for PDO.. I have hardly touched it myself.
20:37 < Spica> (Only in Bloggie actually.)
20:38 < Spica> trophaeum: Yes.
20:38 < trophaeum> Spica, nop, no support for that
20:40 < _cheerios> an exception for a query that went fine? hmm...
20:40 < _cheerios> i thought you meant it gave null when something was actually wrong
20:41 < Seldaek> _cheerios: apparently nexen.net (the guys that are selling the elephpants) are going to build a new batch soon, but atm they seem out of sale everywhere
20:41 < _cheerios> Seldaek, cool! thanks for looking that up!
20:42 < Seldaek> heh http://flickr.com/photos/cjbj/3074841785/
20:43 < _cheerios> yeah, that big one will do fine too *g*
20:43 < _cheerios> i'll place the django pony beneath one of the feet
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20:43 < Seldaek> hehe
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20:44 < _cheerios> would make for a good office prank atleast *g*
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21:05 < _cheerios> lol @ aeroplane software/test quote
21:06 < Spica> _cheerios: In my case, the method's contract says that it returns an array presentation of a tuple specified by the primary key. The normal behaviour would be to get a presentation for that tuple. If the primary key does not exist then the normal behaviour is compromised which, I think, can be quite well signalled by raising an exception.
21:06 < Spica> As for Propel, maybe it should not throw an exception for a good query that just happens to return an empty result set.
21:06 < Spica> (i.e. doSelect)
21:07 < Spica> But I am not sure whether it should do the same when retreiveByPk is used.
21:08 < Spica> I could imagine the contract specifying that it returns a single object that has corresponds the primary key given in as a parameter.
21:08 < Spica> And if no such object exists in the database, I do not think it would be wrong to raise NoSuchItemException or something similar.
21:09 < Spica> Because returning null can cause problems later if the caller accidentally attempts to call a method from null.
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21:37 < Spica> Umh.. one can just throw an exception from the function instead of declaring such intention in the signature?
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21:43 < Wombert> signature?
21:43 < Wombert> huh Spica?
21:44 < Wombert> php has no way of declaring exceptions thrown
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21:55 < v-dogg> yep, not like java
22:01 < graste> propelpeer::doDeleteAll doesn't clear the instance cache?
22:02 < graste> so retrievebypk finds entries that aren't in the db anymore?
22:02 < graste> -.-
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22:08 < Spica> Wombert: Okay.. so I thought. Just had to check. I am not much of a PHPist.
22:10 < Spica> What's the difference between === and == comparators?
22:10 < v-dogg> === is type sensitive
22:11 < v-dogg> false == 0 == ''
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22:11 < v-dogg> but false === 0 -> false
22:11 < v-dogg> i.e. false !== 0
22:12 < Spica> So I call $foo = $FooPeer::retrieveByPk.. and then check $foo === null?
22:12 < Spica> Or is !$foo sufficient?
22:12 < v-dogg> it is, because it's either a propel object instance or null
22:13 < v-dogg> but if the value can be empty string, false or 0, you need type sensitive comparision to make sure it really is what you think it is
22:15 < Spica> Okay. Thanks.
22:15 < v-dogg> bed time
22:15 < v-dogg> night
22:15 < Spica> For me, too.
22:15 < Spica> Nighty night!
22:22 < _cheerios> LOL SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK
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22:29 < graste> http://pastebin.ca/1307578
22:30 < graste> propel bug?
22:31 < graste> doDeleteAll() calls doOnDeleteCascade() which uses doSelect() which builds the instance pool caching - after that onDeleteAll prepares a statement to delete all rows from database, but doesn't clear the instance pool cache -.-
22:32 < graste> or I'm dumb :c
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22:58 < impl> mmmmm mmmmm mmmmm
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05:26 < impl> Wombert: German pronouns are fucked up
05:27 < impl> in other news, guten morgen
05:31 < Wombert> what's a pronoun
05:31 < Wombert> ohj
05:32 < Wombert> what's the problem
05:32 < Wombert> they're the same as in english
05:32 < Wombert> ich, du, er, sie, es, wir, ihr, sie
05:32 < Wombert> I, you, he, she, it, we, they, you
05:32 < impl> except
05:32 < impl> they're all sie
05:32 < impl> sie sie Sie
05:32 < impl> D:
05:33 < Wombert> wat
05:33 < Wombert> lies
05:34 < Wombert> ah that's maybe the polite form. you guys only have "you" (which makes things sooooo much easier)
05:34 < Wombert> here, I say "du" to people I know well, and "sie" to people I don't
05:34 < Wombert> like... random people, business partners, the girlfriend's parents until they offer me the "du" etc
05:34 < impl> yeah
05:35 < impl> wait, what girlfriend?
05:35 < Wombert> I don't have one
05:35 < Wombert> it was just an example
05:35 < Wombert> :>
05:36 < Wombert> I'm too picky, you know
05:36 < impl> That's what I figured the whole time
05:36 < Wombert> really
05:37 < impl> No :D
05:46 < impl> 'Russischer Präsident Putin zu Präsidenten Bush: "Ich heiße *Putin*, nicht Pootie-Poot!'
05:46 < impl> srsly. this is an example.
05:55 < Wombert> russian president putin to president bush: I am called Putin, not Pootie-Poot
05:55 < Wombert> simple :p
05:55 < Wombert> also impl 
05:56 < Wombert> you need to update the build system
05:56 < Wombert> settings.xml has a new format now
05:56 < Wombert> can you do that quickly?
05:56 < Wombert> if I commit now?
05:56 < impl> yes
05:56 < impl> and I know what the sentence said
05:56 < impl> I think it's a weird example for a textbook to use :>
05:57 < Wombert> yes
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06:04 < CIA-63> david * r3547 /branches/1.0/ (13 files in 5 dirs): sample app and code template configs updated to new structures, refs #519
06:04 < Wombert> gogogo impl 
06:04 < Wombert> can you do me a favor and quikckly create a new project then using "agavi project" and call it to see if all is fine?
06:04 < Wombert> that'd be ace
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06:07  * Wombert toast, nom
06:08 < impl> eh
06:11 < Wombert> wat impl 
06:16 < impl> I have to reboot to Linux to do this
06:16  * impl grumbles
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06:25 < Wombert> lol?
06:25  * Wombert smacks impl 
06:28 < impl> ICH FÜHRTE AUS WINDOWS, SIR
06:28 < Wombert> :>
06:28 < Wombert> "aus" after "windows"
06:28 < Wombert> also, that's imperfect
06:29 < Wombert> you should use perfect
06:29 < Wombert> "ich habe windows ausgeführt, sir"
06:29 < impl> w8
06:29 < Wombert> or better, "ich habe windows gestartet, mein herr"
06:29 < impl> lawl, I don't know tenses yet so I was just basing it on how you would use it in Latin
06:29 < impl> :X
06:29 < Wombert> because what you mean is "ich habe gerade windows gestartet"
06:30 < Wombert> "gerade" meaning "straight" (as in geometry, bleh) or "just now" ("gerade eben")
06:30 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:30 < Wombert> and then perfect is more appropriate
06:30 < Wombert> "ich startete windows" is what the morons in north germany say
06:30 < impl> whatś the ge for
06:30 < Wombert> you'll sound like a dick
06:30 < Wombert> ge? it's not compound
06:31 < Wombert> a Gerade is a straight
06:31 < impl> No
06:31 < impl> the gestartet
06:31 < Wombert> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerade
06:31 < Wombert> uh
06:31 < Wombert> holy cow don't ask me
06:31 < impl> in dict.leo.org they all say starten
06:31 < Wombert> its some kind of prefix
06:31 < impl> the magic prefix?
06:31 < Wombert> ich starte, ich habe gestartet, ich startete, ich werde starten
06:31 < Wombert> ich werde gestartet haben
06:31 < impl> Oh
06:31 < Wombert> ich hatte gestartet
06:31 < impl> it's inflectional
06:32 < impl> hur hur hur
06:32 < impl> duh
06:32 < Wombert> that's only for perfect and future past perfect or whatever it is called
06:32 < impl> I forget your language isn't stupid like English
06:32 < Wombert> I don't know anything about grammar, tbh
06:32 < Wombert> not in english, either
06:32 < Wombert> mostly because I don't caer
06:32 < Wombert> *care
06:32 < impl> I like grammar, probably too much
06:32 < impl> BUT YOU SHOULD CARE
06:32 < Wombert> why. it works without me giving a rat's ass
06:32 < impl> so do my glasses
06:32 < impl> ... :x
06:33 < impl> :D
06:34 < Wombert> but they *look* like a rats ass then
06:34 < Wombert> :>
06:34 < Wombert> ZING
06:34 < impl> maybe your grammar looks like a rats ass and you don't realize it :D
06:35 < impl> or maybe several rats' asses
06:35 < Wombert> mmmmm the new Jag XFR gets me into trouble
06:35 < impl> 		$path = new DOMXPath($document);
06:35 < impl> 		$path->registerNamespace('agavi', $document->documentElement->namespaceURI);
06:35 < Wombert> my plan was <nice car> -> Lotus Evora -> V8 Vantage
06:35 < impl> this is stupid :(
06:35 < impl> you bought a fucking Jaguar?
06:35 < Wombert> no
06:35 < Wombert> but I want one
06:35 < impl> Oh
06:35 < Wombert> but it doesn't fit in there
06:35 < impl> <nice car>
06:35 < Wombert> no, too expensive
06:36 < Wombert> I'm thinking about buying a Z4 coupe next winter
06:36 < impl> You might need some branching
06:36 < Wombert> they should be cheap then - going out of production
06:36 < Wombert> which is a shame, because they're pretty, and the new hard top roadster looks like ass and is for girls
06:37 < impl> lawl
06:37 < impl> I liked the Z3 more than the Z4 design-wise I think
06:37 < Wombert> no, that was a *real* girls car
06:37 < Wombert> the roadster was flimsy
06:37 < impl> it was not
06:37 < Wombert> and the coupe looked like a sneaker
06:37 < Wombert> not like a car
06:37 < impl> lool
06:37 < impl> :>
06:37 < impl> okay, you win
06:37 < Wombert> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:BMW-Z3-Coupé.jpg?uselang=de
06:41 < impl> Wombert: can I hardcore the namespaces into it or do you want me to make a half-assed attempt at making this work decently
06:41 < Wombert> In total, only 17,094 Z4 coupés (3.0si and M combined) were ever produced, compared to 180,856 Z4 roadsters.[8]
06:41 < Wombert> fuck
06:41 < Wombert> impl: what would that look like?
06:41 < Wombert> figure out the ns from the root element or so?
06:42 < impl> no, well, see, here's the problem
06:42 < Wombert> we could btw make a schematron schema for this... hmmm... and detect it
06:42 < impl> if someone upgrades their Agavi install
06:42 < Wombert> yes
06:42 < impl> and then gets a new build system
06:42 < Wombert> and leaves their templates in place
06:42 < Wombert> right?
06:42 < impl> and they're using an old envelope
06:42 < Wombert> I get it :p
06:42 < Wombert> not just that, also old parts ns
06:42 < Wombert> not just envelope
06:42 < impl> yeah
06:42 < impl> it's gay.
06:42 < impl> architecturally gay.
06:43 < Wombert> what if
06:43 < Wombert> we have attributes on the root node?
06:43 < Wombert> that would work, right?
06:43 < Wombert> for templates?
06:43 < impl> ewwww
06:43 < impl> :\
06:44 < impl> I'm just going to assume that the document is in the parts namespace
06:44 < Wombert> xmlns:at="http://agavi.org/agavi/build/templates/1.0" at:contentNamespace="http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/settings/1.0"
06:44 < Wombert> sth like that
06:44 < impl> also the other thing is that we can't be sure that this code will work anymore /anyway/
06:44 < impl> because the structure might have changed
06:46 < impl> oh, this shit is only used in generating new projects anyway
06:46 < impl> fuck it, we'll do it live
06:46 < Wombert> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:BMW_Z4_front_20071105.jpg
06:46 < Wombert> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:BMW_Z4_rear_20071105.jpg
06:46 < Wombert> so pretty :(
06:46 < Wombert> that exact color, too
06:47 < impl> lawl
06:47 < v-dogg> wow that's ugly 
06:47 < v-dogg> :p
06:48 < impl> v-dogg: he called the earlier model a "sneaker"
06:49 < v-dogg> as in a sneaker you put your foot in? yeah, a good description :D
06:50 < Wombert> v-dogg: WAT?
06:50  * Wombert stabs
06:50  * Wombert stabs
06:50  * Wombert stabs
06:50 < Wombert> also, lol@mexicans: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4229551/Man-arrested-for-allegedly-selling-daughter-on-internet.html
06:51 < impl> insulting the Automeister, bad move, v-dogg 
06:51 < Wombert> insulting the prettiest car EVER
06:51 < impl> Wombert: lol@100 cases of beer
06:51 < Wombert> okay that was exxagerated
06:51 < Wombert> still, it's sexy
06:51 < Wombert> and it's great fun to drive :>
07:04 < impl> Fatal error: Class 'AgaviXmlConfigParser' not found in /usr/share/php/agavi/build/phing/org/agavi/build/tasks/AgaviWriteconfigurationTask.php on line 89
07:04 < impl> ANGERRRRRRRRRRRR
07:12 < impl> gah
07:12 < impl> doesn't work
07:12 < impl> gah ksjdlfjadsfjk
07:35 < CIA-63> impl * r3548 /branches/1.0/src/build/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update build system to use whatever the fuck we just did, refs #519 too (where is my kaffe?)
07:36 < impl> I MAY REEVALUATE THIS IN THE MORNING
07:36 < v-dogg> the code or the commit message?-)
07:36 < impl> also 3548 is the model number of my network switch
07:36 < impl> The code
07:36 < impl> it works fine, but I'm not sure if I want to do it like that
07:37 < impl> My commit messages are awesome, they give character to the project!
07:38 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/3536
07:38  * impl chuckles
08:01 < Fou4th> does anyone using propel?
08:04 < v-dogg> yup
08:04 < Fou4th> with mysql driver?
08:05 < v-dogg> nope
08:05 < Fou4th> hmm
08:05 < v-dogg> or actually, yes I think one project still uses mysql
08:05 < v-dogg> why?
08:05 < Fou4th> well, it doesn't work with unicode properly
08:05 < Fou4th> with varchar columns for example
08:06 < Fou4th> it generates schema.sql with no mentions about "utf8" or something like
08:08 < v-dogg> you have to create the database with proper default encoding/collation 
08:08 < v-dogg> then the tables should be created correctly 
08:09 < Fou4th> well, I thought there is possible to generate CREATE TABLE statement with UNICODE and other related keyword
08:11 < v-dogg> so actually you don't even know how mysql works with unicode but you already stated that propel doesn't work properly?
08:12 < Fou4th> v-dogg, I don't have full access to the database
08:13 < Fou4th> and I can't change default charset etc
08:14 < Wombert> impl: definitely not; if it's not "xmlns", then we're screwed
08:14 < Wombert> mmmm
08:14 < Wombert> can we hand the ns as a param to the task?
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08:27 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:50 < MikeSeth> 10:44 <grendal_prime> sorry english bad..not my computer, my whiteman friends computer.
08:50 < MikeSeth> lol @ #php
08:50 < MikeSeth> 10:44 <grendal_prime> that sounds not right...
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09:53 < Fou4th> is it possible to move some routings definitions into modules? Without xinclude.
09:53 < Fou4th> As I understand I should set another class for routing in the config/factories.xml, is it right?
09:53 < Fou4th> extend AgaviWebRouting etc
09:58 < MikeSeth> why, what would that achieve?
10:02 < Fou4th> modules as plugins for example
10:02 < MikeSeth> my dream also
10:02 < MikeSeth> alas I dont know a way to make modules as independent plugins
10:02 < MikeSeth> it would be nice if routing indexed modules and included per-module routing instructions
10:02 < MikeSeth> but i suspect not a trivial problem
10:03 < Fou4th> yep
10:03 < Fou4th> I've tried with xinclude, but it's too complicated
10:03 < Fou4th> for simple cases it's ok, but for complex (webservices etc)...
10:04 < MikeSeth> yeah
10:04 < MikeSeth> and then you have all kinds of interesting issues of precedence etc
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13:03 < CIA-63> dominik * r3549 /branches/1.0/src/date/AgaviDateFormat.class.php: 
13:03 < CIA-63> Allow arbitrary number of fractional seconds for parsing date formats
13:03 < CIA-63> closes #977
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13:34 < Fou4th> how to validate files?
13:34 < Fou4th> <validator class="file" source="files"> ?
13:35 < v-dogg> source is not needed
13:35 < v-dogg> <validator class="AgaviFileValidator" severity="error" required="false"> 
13:35 < Fou4th> hmm
13:35 < Fou4th> than what I should pass as argument?
13:36 < v-dogg> the input name just like normally
13:36 < Fou4th> name of the <input> element?
13:36 < Fou4th> i see
13:36 < v-dogg> yup
13:37 < v-dogg> and remember enctype="multipart/form-data"
13:37 < Fou4th> hmm
13:37 < Fou4th> thanks
13:38 < MrJeep> good morning
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13:38 < MrJeep> reboot
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13:39 < Fou4th> still doesn't work
13:39 < Fou4th> maybe I've missed somthing
13:40 < Fou4th> ops
13:40 < Fou4th> sorry
13:40 < Fou4th> everything is fine :)
13:43 < Fou4th> validator/AgaviBaseFileValidator.class.php: $this->throwError('argument_wrong_type');
13:43 < Fou4th> argument_wrong_type should be mentioned in the phpdoc
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14:18 < digitarald> Huomenta
14:19 < MrJeep> hi
14:19 < MrJeep> what's up ?
14:21 < digitarald> patching old projects ... boring :)
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14:29 < _cheerios> heh @ friends status "AFK tornado"
14:35 < MrJeep> :S
14:49 < Wombert> I think I got it impl 
14:49 < Wombert> I don't seem to be writing the expiry value back into the cache
14:49 < Wombert> when a lock was obtained
14:50 < Wombert> that could be it
14:56 < MrJeep> the stampede thing ?
15:33 < Wombert> omg
15:33 < Wombert> OMG
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16:18 < Wombert> uh oh
16:19 < v-dogg> hai hoi
16:19 < v-dogg> what's up in ze krautland?
16:35 < Wombert> ah bollocks
16:53  * Wombert pokes impl 
16:53 < Wombert> dude?
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19:36 < impl> dammit Wombert
19:36 < impl> I HAS CLASS
19:37 < Strzalek__> huomenta
19:37 < impl> hello, sir
19:38 < Strzalek__> What's new in agavi world
19:38 < Strzalek__> I'm a little out-of-date ;)
19:41 < impl> we're at 1.0 beta 7, I imagine the RCs will start rolling out soon
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19:57 < CIA-63> dominik * r3550 /branches/1.0/CHANGELOG: 
19:57 < CIA-63> changelog for [3549]
19:57 < CIA-63> refs #977
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20:05 < impl> oh hai Wombert 
20:07 < Fou4th> is it ok to require_once one template into another? For example: edit form template and edit error template
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20:13 < Strzalek__> impl: what about forge?
20:14 < impl> Strzalek__: Haven't heard anything about that
20:15 < CIA-63> dominik * r3551 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/date/AgaviDateFormat.class.php): 
20:15 < CIA-63> add missing '0' when formatting milliseconds
20:15 < CIA-63> closes #978
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20:24 < E_mE> Wombert: you attending phplondon this year?
20:25 < Wombert> E_mE: dunno yet
20:25 < E_mE> early bird ends jan 31st
20:26 < E_mE> ive i get hte money by then im most likely going
20:26 < E_mE> but still up in the air
20:36 < Wombert> ohai impl 
20:56 < _cheerios> has it been a year since the crazyguy episode already?
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21:04 < Fou4th> ahmm
21:06 < Fou4th> What's the difference between setting attribute "required" in "validator" element and setting element <ae:parameter name="required"?
21:06 < Wombert> there is none
21:07 < Wombert> the implementation is... ah what can I say
21:07 < Fou4th> Well, which one is recommended?
21:08 < impl> 'fucked'
21:09 < impl> Fou4th: I would do it as an attribute to <validator>
21:09 < impl> makes more sense to me
21:09 < Wombert> yes
21:09 < Fou4th> hmmm
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21:13 < Fou4th> Don't like things that could be done by different ways
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05:40 < Wombert> huomenta
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05:49 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:16 < aka> huomenta!
06:16 < aka> yeah with a ! BLAM right in your face!
06:56 < v-dogg> too early and too little caffeine in the system for that sort of perkyness
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07:36 < v-dogg> ok, caffeine levels are getting close "almost operational"
07:36 < v-dogg> +to
07:36 < v-dogg> a little more and I'm ready to do some actual productive work
07:38 < digitarald> Huomenta
07:38 < digitarald> ... stocking up my cerial level first :)
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07:43 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:00 < digitarald> iphone will die ;) http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/palm-pre-ces.html
08:05 < _cheerios> fuuug, ended up on amazon again, looking for boooks to buy and already have 2 in the cart x_X
08:06 < _cheerios> palm still around? :p
08:07 < _cheerios> digitarald, what's the buzz about those live events for jquery? I've used livequery before, but haven't really dug into why it'd be cool, or why the new thing is even cooler?
08:08 < digitarald> _cheerios: the hype? noobs can forget about optimized document queries and just query all the time :D
08:09 < digitarald> mootools will have relayed events
08:09 < digitarald> using bubbling events and matching it to queries
08:09 < digitarald> i think that is liveevents in jq
08:10 < digitarald> but I don't know about buzz's in jq :)
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08:14 < _cheerios> right :) just following ajaxian and delicious, running into jquery hyperbole
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08:15 < Wombert> huomenta++
08:17 < graste> huomenta
08:18 < saracen> http://www.agavi.org/irclogs/agavi-200812.log - "17:31 < kaos|work_> if i can reproduce it
08:18 < saracen> Any progress on this problem?
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08:35 < Wombert> eh=
08:36 < digitarald> _cheerios: that is why I don't read ajaxian anymore ... its not a techzyne, its more like a fanzyne
08:36 < v-dogg> fanboys <3
08:36 < saracen> ? - If you search for that line in the log, you'll see a problem that was discussed. If it was fixed, I think it might be broken again =(
08:36  * v-dogg is an agavi fanboy
08:38 < digitarald> v-dogg: and u have a fanzyne ;)
08:50 < Wombert> ah
08:50 < Wombert> saracen: 
08:50 < Wombert> yeah no clue why dominik has't looked at it yet
08:50 < Wombert> ...
08:50 < Wombert> I'll shoot him an email
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09:04 < saracen> Wombert: Thanks :)
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09:50 < Macen> having trouble including css/javascript files locally because "pub" is in the document root
09:50 < Macen> instead of accessing http://localhost/domain/ I have to access http://localhost/domain/pub
09:51 < Macen> unless I put a .htaccess in http://localhost/domain/ saying DocumentRoot is /domain/pub
09:51 < Macen> but then javascript/css includes don't work??
09:51 < v-dogg> um? wat?
09:52 < Wombert> wat?
09:53 < v-dogg> not getting what the problem is here? with a correct .htaccess and base href everything should be just fine
09:54 < Macen> when you access your sites locally, do you access http://localhost/someproject/pub or http://localhost/someproject ?
09:54 < Macen> i think i can fix it with base href ...
09:55 < v-dogg> I create virtual hosts (different port) for different projects
09:55 < _cheerios> just http://somedomain, and all includes from /modpub/ (or some subdomain)
09:56 < CIA-63> david * r3552 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/storage/AgaviSessionStorage.class.php): Allow setting of session save path in AgaviSessionStorage, closes #979
09:59 < CIA-63> david * r3553 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/storage/AgaviSessionStorage.class.php): revert [3552], refs #979
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10:00 < saracen> You could also use virtual hosts with just aliases, by putting the entry in to your hosts file
10:00 < CIA-63> david * r3554 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/storage/AgaviSessionStorage.class.php): Allow setting of session save path in AgaviSessionStorage, closes #979
10:03 < CIA-63> david * r3555 /branches/0.11/CHANGELOG: whitespace
10:03 < v-dogg> Macen: virtual hosts might be a nicer what to handle several projects BUT everything will work just fine if your .htaccess (rewritebase) and base href are correct
10:03 < v-dogg> you do use base href, don't you?
10:04 < Macen> yes of course
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10:05 < Macen> i think it's a case of the base href not being correct 
10:05 < CIA-63> david * r3556 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/date/AgaviDateFormat.class.php): merge [3549:3550/branches/1.0], refs #977
10:07 < CIA-63> david * r3557 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/date/AgaviDateFormat.class.php): merge [3551/branches/1.0], refs #978
10:08 < CIA-63> david * r3558 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/storage/AgaviSessionStorage.class.php): merge [3554/branches/0.11], refs #979
10:12 < Macen> could i change $ro->getBaseHref() behavior from inside a project?
10:13 < v-dogg> there shouldn't be a need for that
10:13 < Wombert> !?
10:13 < Macen> i need to append "pub/" whenever the site is accessed locally, mainly because if you access the site through your browser without "pub/" in the domain, it doesn't know to use that
10:13 < Macen> yes
10:13 < Wombert> ...
10:13 < Macen> srsly 
10:13 < Wombert> 		<base href="<?php echo $ro->getBaseHref(); ?>" />
10:13 < Wombert> in <head>
10:13 < Wombert> problem solved
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10:14 < v-dogg> it won't be solved because I think it's a case of screwed up rewrite
10:14 < Macen> that is what i have but $ro->getBaseHref(); doesn't return "pub/"
10:14 < Macen> no..
10:14 < v-dogg> and where is your index.php and .htaccess and rewritebase ?
10:15 < Macen> which .htaccess?
10:15 < v-dogg> um... the one controlling the rewritebase I guess
10:15 < Macen> there has to be 2 because when the project is accessed on the server it goes straight to "pub/"
10:16 < Macen> but when it is accessed locally it is in "../pub"
10:16 < Macen> you see?
10:16 < v-dogg> that's probably confusing the routing
10:16 < Macen> RewriteBase is either "/" or "/project/pub/"
10:18 < Macen> if you navigate to "http://localhost/project/pub/" in your browser then the standard base href value is fine
10:18 < Macen> but when using "http://localhost/project" you need to append "pub/" to the base href ...
10:21 < DracoBlue> why don't you make /project/ as rewritebase in that case then?
10:21 < Macen> because all the files are in "pub"
10:21 < Seldaek> you could also try  http://pastie.org/361322
10:22 < Seldaek> but that might lead to bad surprises when going live
10:22 < Seldaek> which is why you should just use getBaseHref and build proper urls rather than hacking crap
10:22 < Macen> <?php print (strstr($ro->getBaseHref(),'domain.com')?$ro->getBaseHref():$ro->getBaseHref().'pub/'); ?>
10:23 < Macen> would be the easy solution 
10:23 < DracoBlue> actually you still have problems with non-relatvie generated agavi routing urls?
10:24 < CIA-63> david * r3559 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/request/AgaviWebRequest.class.php): added AgaviWebRequest::isHttps() convenience method, closes #980
10:24 < Macen> no it's ok, my server environment differs from the local one
10:24 < Macen> i wanted to account for this by extending $ro->getBaseHref() or smthn 
10:25 < Macen> i can do it manually in the decorator this is fine 
10:25 < DracoBlue> hmm, just an idea, what about putting the index.php from pub/index.php to /index.php, too and fixing the paths in that one?
10:25 < CIA-63> david * r3560 /branches/1.0/CHANGELOG: merge [3555/branches/0.11]
10:26 < DracoBlue> but that would maybe keep that issue with the pub-files, nvm.
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10:26 < CIA-63> david * r3561 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/request/AgaviWebRequest.class.php): merge [3559/branches/0.11], refs #980
10:26 < Macen> well this problem is symptomatic of another problem with accessing "http://domain.com/admin" for the administration system, which is actually /path/to/domain.com/pub/admin 
10:27 < Macen> where the app.php is the page controller, not agavi 
10:27 < Macen> because i haven't got round to changing it yet 
10:27 < DracoBlue> I would fix the pub/.htaccess then - so it does not match on /admin
10:28 < Macen> yes
10:28 < Macen> RewriteRule did this
10:31 < Wombert> saracen: poke
10:32 < Wombert> saracen: "Unknown post id, it may have expired or been deleted"
10:32 < Wombert> send the example over again please
10:32 < Wombert> ASAP
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12:02 < saracen> Wombert: Back now. Will sort that out
12:03 < saracen> Wombert: http://pastebin.com/m338e9b21
12:04 < saracen> Choosing the value 1 (frequency_is_daily) will cause an error for value 0 and 2
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13:04 < Wombert> guise
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13:04 < Wombert> survey
13:05 < Wombert> I'd like to drop support for changing output types in View::initialize()
13:05 < Wombert> and require the output type to be set before the action runs
13:05 < Wombert> either entirely, or at least in combination with caching
13:05 < Wombert> feedback please
13:06 < Wombert> v-dogg, E_mE, _cheerios, marklar|omni, fnordfish, saracen, Seldaek, ...
13:07 < Seldaek> my output is defined by the routes
13:07 < Seldaek> so I wouldn't complain
13:07 < E_mE> Wombert: this is what defines whether to called executeJson() or executeHtml() etc?
13:07 < Wombert> yes
13:08 < Wombert> usually you do that in routes, not in View::initialize()
13:08 < E_mE> in a way i tihnk it would be incorrect to define that in the view what so ever, since its defined by the request i assume
13:08 < _cheerios> i can't remember ever changing the output, but on the other hand, i'm usually against anything that limits what you can/can't do
13:08 < E_mE> its come in as a JSON request and its the action to define wether to change that?
13:08 < E_mE> if so required
13:08 < E_mE> ive not ever used that feature either
13:09 < Wombert> _cheerios: it's for cutting down complexity. the caching is a fucking mess only because of this possibility
13:09 < E_mE> Wombert: will thta affect 0.11 and 1.0b?
13:09 < Wombert> only 1.0, E_mE 
13:10 < E_mE> i think its a good idea, as it doesnt appear to be the views responsibilitiy
13:11 < fnordfish> Wombert: cant think of a case that would effect me ;)
13:11 < v-dogg> Wombert: I have one case (I remember) where the output type is set in view::init but that's just my lazyness (and originally incompetence :)
13:11 < Wombert> fnordfish: are you sure that none of your devs *ever* did that? :)
13:11 < v-dogg> but but... hmm..
13:12 < fnordfish> no - I'm not shure that some (special) devs would never ever do that, but i can't care ;)
13:13 < Wombert> v-dogg: speak up!
13:13 < v-dogg> what should I do if the pdf cannot be created and I want to show html error? forward to another action?
13:13 < fnordfish> i'm some kind shure - that no one dit it so fare
13:13 < Wombert> v-dogg: yes, I think so
13:13 < Wombert> v-dogg: good question
13:18 < fnordfish> but it is still http, so sending a redirect should work - or am i wrong?
13:18 < Wombert> ah yes sure
13:18 < Wombert> and v-dogg: you could do a forward() and force the output type to something else
13:18 < Wombert> that'd work fine
13:18 < v-dogg> yup
13:18 < v-dogg> http redirect is of course always a choice but in this case not a good one, imo
13:20 < v-dogg> because I'd need to store the error message into session and the restore it and make sure it wasn't shown twice and all that blah
13:20 < v-dogg> refresh wouldn't work etc.
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13:21 < saracen> Can't there be a way to force it? I dont know how it effects the cache as it is, but perhaps if your forced it, it could clear the cache for that page, if thats part of the problem
13:21 < saracen> Just in the cases where an error does occur.
13:22 < saracen> Oh, ignore. didnt see the talk of just forwarding
13:24 < Wombert> force what, saracen?
13:27 < saracen> Force the output type change, but doing so has consequences (like clearing the cache for that page, if need be).
13:27 < Wombert> saracen: are you on the users or dev list?
13:28 < saracen> users
13:28 < Wombert> kk
13:29 < saracen> why? :P
13:30 < Wombert> I'm writing an email about this right now
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13:32 < mach3_domke> Huomenta
13:33 < mach3_domke> i need someone who knows something ablout Criteria
13:33 < mach3_domke> :)
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13:35 < saracen> mach3_domke: #propel ? :P
13:35 < mach3_domke> yes
13:35 < saracen> I mean, you could probably get better help from the channel, #propel .
13:36 < mach3_domke> yes tanks
13:36 < mach3_domke> thanks
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15:17 < hashZILLA> in response to Wombert\s message, in what sort of situation might one want to change the output type?
15:20 < saracen> hashZILLA: v-dogg gave a pretty good example
15:20 < saracen> 13:13:02 < v-dogg> what should I do if the pdf cannot be created and I want to show html error? forward to another action?
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15:21 < v-dogg> also output type might be an option user selects when submiting a form
15:22 < hashZILLA> in that case is it not possible to set in the action?
15:22 < hashZILLA> no guess not...
15:23 < hashZILLA> i vote for stampede protection 
15:31 < hashZILLA> hang on.. like a user might want some output as a csv file or a pdf?
15:33 < Seldaek> yes.
15:34 < Seldaek> indeed in some cases it's required
15:34 < Seldaek> they are rare but it's hard to ignore too 
15:34 < hashZILLA> yeh that would be a problem
15:34 < Seldaek> maybe you could work around it by setting the required output in the request url with js but that's like fugly patching
15:36 < hashZILLA> maybe a silly q. is it not possible to determine the output type in the action?
15:36 < hashZILLA> if it is specified
15:36 < v-dogg> you can also extend routing to use $_POST and select the output there
15:37 < v-dogg> quite simple actually
15:37 < hashZILLA> ok so if the output type is not specified then don't cache it?
15:39 < hashZILLA> i mean specified in the route... chances are if its not specified its dynamically generated anyway so not much point in caching it
15:40 < hashZILLA> sorry i should make myself clearer... if the route specifies the output_type then accept that as being unchangeable and cache. If the output_type is not specified in the route then allow it to bypass the stampede protection 
15:40 < hashZILLA> something like that
15:42 < v-dogg> too strict rule. output type could also be set in a filter, among others
15:43 < hashZILLA> v-dogg: what feature might require that capability?
15:44 < v-dogg> user's prefered output type could be stored in a cookie
15:45 < Seldaek> would it be awfully messy to have output_type="uncertain" in the route
15:45 < Seldaek> for specific routes that could end up in output changes
15:45 < Seldaek> I guess it is :p
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15:48 < hashZILLA> v-dogg: i'm under the impression that stampede protection is pretty much exclusive for a web context and html output type no?
15:49 < CIA-63> david * r3562 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/storage/AgaviSessionStorage.class.php): Optionally set 'secure' flag on session cookies automatically, closes #981
15:50 < v-dogg> hashZILLA: no no, where did you get such an idea?
15:50 < hashZILLA> yeh i see it applies broadly
15:50 < v-dogg> and even if it was, all the arguments I have just stated are valid :)
15:52 < hashZILLA> ok my argument is simply that if the output_type changes between input and output then it may not qualify for stampede protection
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15:58 < Wombert> yeah probably
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16:00 < bobbytek> How do I set the session timeout time in agavi?
16:00 < Seldaek> Wombert: can't we mark a route as having dynamic output type (which would keep the current behavior) and the rest gets new bhavior ?
16:00 < bobbytek> nvm
16:01 < Seldaek> I know it probably doesn't ease up maintainability but it might fix the issue
16:01 < bobbytek> factories.xml: <storage ...><ae:parameter name="session_cookie_lifetime">1800</ae:parameter>
16:01 < bobbytek>  ?
16:01 < hashZILLA> if the output_type is changed to the type that is currently undergoing stampede protection then it gets routed back to the action?
16:03 < Wombert> eww Seldaek 
16:04 < Seldaek> yeah just an idea :P
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17:17 < CIA-63> david * r3564 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/storage/AgaviSessionStorage.class.php): merge [3562/branches/0.11], refs #981
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17:42 < krycek> what is the nearest framework to agavi in the python world?
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18:39 < Fou4th> krycek, I think there are no such framework
18:40 < Fou4th> I would recommend to look at WSGI/Pylons
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19:08 < CIA-63> dominik * r3566 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/validator/AgaviValidationError.class.php): 
19:08 < CIA-63> check types of the $arguments array elements in the constructor of AgaviValidationError
19:08 < CIA-63> closes #983
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19:13 < CIA-63> dominik * r3567 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/validator/AgaviValidator.class.php): 
19:13 < CIA-63> mark validators which aren't run due to the dependency check failing as not processed instead of success
19:13 < CIA-63> closes #984
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19:18 < CIA-63> david * r3568 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/validator/AgaviValidator.class.php): backing out [3567], incomplete, refs #984
19:27 < CIA-63> dominik * r3569 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/validator/AgaviValidator.class.php): 
19:27 < CIA-63> add missing dependency check for validators with argument arrays
19:27 < CIA-63> closes #985
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19:49 < krycek> Fou4th: thank you for the tip... i'll read about it
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20:37 < _cheerios> anyone used http://getsatisfaction.com?
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21:29 < _cheerios> what's the best php lib for amazon s3 out there ?
21:36 < _cheerios> found http://code.google.com/p/amazon-s3-php-class/, looks ok at glance
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21:51 < graste> at least somewhat active :>
21:52 < graste> what about http://code.google.com/p/php-aws/
21:56 < _cheerios> thanks, i'll check that too. came to the "where to store ze files?" part of my TODO and was thinking i'll just ditch everything to S3 this time.
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21:57 < graste> there's this s3fs in beta or something
21:57 < graste> perhaps this is an alternative
21:58 < graste> didn't have a closer look at it though
21:58 < graste> with it s3 is just a local filesystem for you
21:58 < graste> with custom packet size etc to save on bandwith/transfer costs
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22:19 < _cheerios> graste, yer, was thinking how to keep local copies of files in future when storing bigger files. s3fs seemed interesting, does this already -- tho bugtracker made it seem buggy :)
22:19 < graste> :)
22:20 < graste> damn bugs everywhere
22:20 < graste> :>
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22:44 < _cheerios> "Md5 implementation in PHP is fairly easy and nice but not as secure as of Python. Though, it may sound debatable." // bloggers, heh!
22:51 < trophaeum> wtf? lol
22:52 < impl> Python uses AES-256 MD5, duhhhhhhhhh.
22:52  * impl rolls eyes
23:02 < Seldaek> but it's okay because php's html output is processed faster by browsers!
23:54 < graste> =)
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07:07 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:22 < digitarald> Huomenta
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07:52 < MugeSo> Huomenta
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08:05 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:18 < hashZILLA> _cheerios... u were talking about s3-php class...
08:19 < _cheerios> yes?
08:19 < hashZILLA> wanted to know what u see as the advantage of that vs s3fs or subcloud at the OS level
08:21 < hashZILLA> subcloud being the supported version of s3fs
08:22 < _cheerios> i can't answer that. i've used neither, nor little in the way of networked storage that would be similar (NFS comes to mind).
08:23 < hashZILLA> ok i'm thinking of going with subcloud... i guess reducing the amount of code is a key advantage. it does md5 checks automatically etc.
08:23 < hashZILLA> anyway i'll be testing proper soon so i'll let u know what i find
08:23 < moritz> huomenta
08:24 < _cheerios> last night i was thinking an s3-php class gives me the benefits of S3 (i don't have to worry), and with a little code on top I can have files delivered locally to save on costs (plus to work in a way that is redundant+balanced), it'd be enough for me and meet my demands (plus I'd know the code).
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08:25 < hashZILLA> yeh i've been liking the ease of cloudfront as well. initial tests were blazing fast
08:25 < hashZILLA> nice thing about subcloud is it allows local caching too
08:27 < moritz> In the execute write method I'm expecting a variable amount of form fields that I'm going to post to the database  
08:27 < _cheerios> yeah. doing calculations on added s3 tag was the first thing i did last night too. came up to somewhere around $7/month (15GB out, 3mil GETs), which is not much for not having to worry about storage. Plus with local caching, that price will go down.
08:29 < hashZILLA> yeh its a good deal. the cloudfront is a little more i think but the edge caching is awesome and so easy to setup.
08:30 < _cheerios> cloudfront seemed a bit expensive, i won't go there yet ... but definitely, great value, when you need it.
08:31 < moritz>  the form fields represent the data of multiple objects of the same type
08:31 < _cheerios> (iirc the prices right at all -- might be wrong here)
08:32 < moritz> what is the best way to separate these form fields and map them to instances of their type? By label?
08:32 < graste> huomenta
08:33 < _cheerios> hashZILLA, with cloudfront will the transfer costs be s3 + cloudfront (~double) ?
08:33 < hashZILLA> _cheerios: yeh for now its a reasonable entry option. Another interesting thing is that they are planning on supporting RTMP so media delivery is going to benefit. Might cost a bit but its probably cheaper and snappier than prog http so worth it in my book
08:34 < hashZILLA> _cheerios: good question. not sure but by the nature of cloudfront it would only be one request to deploy it so it wouldn't be double in any case
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08:36 < hashZILLA> i did a simple mp3 test deployment from s3 into cloudfront. I'm in tokyo so first request from cloudfront was about twice as fast as direct from s3. Second request was instant!
08:36 < _cheerios> sounds like a winner
08:36 < hashZILLA> no doubt esp if you have image or media heavy sites
08:38 < _cheerios> im using it for a personal project first, hence local caching came up quickly, as I don't too much added costs :) storage will only take < 200MB, and file sizes are small, making it a good fit.
08:39 < _cheerios> storing videos or similar, i'd need revenue coming in first
08:40 < hashZILLA> in that case if you want to avoid writing extra code, it might be worth looking into subcloud. Unless you have specific caching strategies, it will do a standard last-access-first-out i think
08:40 < hashZILLA> i think s3fs also
08:40 < hashZILLA> which is free..
08:41 < hashZILLA> anyway as i sauy i'll be testing it out more heavily soon so will report back
08:41 < _cheerios> for this project, im trying to keep 3rd party software to a minimum, trying to keep it as close to pure php/http as possible -- kiss
08:41 < hashZILLA> haha fair play
08:42 < _cheerios> i've used mogilefs before, which works fantastic, but i think s3 will do the same -- plus I'
08:42 < _cheerios> cntd: ll have less worries.
08:43 < hashZILLA> yeh that's what it's all about
08:47 < _cheerios> simplifications give hope that my forever project will get a new start this month
08:47 < hashZILLA> what is the project?
08:48 < _cheerios> everything to do with feeds.
08:49 < hashZILLA> k
08:52 < moritz> how do I get Other attributes from the request data parameter holder other than the form field name
08:52 < moritz> how do I for instance get the ID attribute for a form field
08:58 < _cheerios> you'll have what you posted with the form, add what you need
08:59 < moritz> I mean how do I retrieve it?
09:00 < moritz> $rd->getAttribute('id')? won't work, will it?
09:00 < moritz> for an attribute of a form field
09:00 < _cheerios> off the top of my head; $form = $rd->getParameter('form'); $id = $form['id'];
09:01 < moritz> ah ok, I'll give that a  try
09:01 < moritz> thanks
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09:08 < moritz> that doesn't really work
09:08 < moritz> can anybody clarify how to retrieve an attribute of a form field from the $rd?
09:10 < _cheerios> did you add the attribute as <input type="text" name="id" value="my-form-id"/> to the form?
09:11 < moritz> <input type="text" name="username" id="member_name" />
09:14 < _cheerios> and $form['username'] will have thy data
09:20 < Seldaek> jesus fucking testing. I send the exact same arguments to the same action as I do in the browser, but it seems that the error filter is not doing its job in the test environment
09:39 < moritz> as of agavi version?
09:40 < splatch> oi boyz :)
09:44 < graste> is there a possibility to set the caching parameters (lifetime and groups) dynamically?
09:46 < v-dogg>  <input type="text" name="username" id="member_name" /> ==>> $rd->getParameter('username')
09:47 < v-dogg>  <input type="text" name="foo[username]" id="member_name" /> ==>> $foo =  $rd->getParameter('foo'); echo $foo['username']
09:47 < v-dogg> BUT
09:47 < v-dogg> the default validation mode will clear those fields if you don't validate them
09:48 < v-dogg> for moritz all this
09:48 < moritz> yes thanks v-dogg 
09:48 < v-dogg> the tutorial should cover all this
09:48 < moritz> tutorial?
09:48 < v-dogg> back to removal box packing ->
09:49 < v-dogg> moritz: see agavi.org -> docs
09:50 < Seldaek> v-dogg: any clue about my last rant up there? :)
09:50 < Seldaek> I really don't get it
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10:14 < v-dogg> Seldaek: no idea, sorry
10:14 < Seldaek> maybe you know if the FPF is triggered after the response is sent ?
10:15 < Seldaek> because test assertions use $this->response->getContent()
10:15 < Seldaek> so I was thinking maybe the FPF isn't executed yet.. it's the only way I can explain it.
10:16 < Seldaek> but if that is so.. it sucks :) half my tests rely on FPF errors
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10:27 < E_mE> huomenta
10:27 < E_mE> which validator should i use to match two arguments? the equals?
10:28 < Seldaek> if they must be equal yes
10:29 < Seldaek> http://pastie.org/362274
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10:30 < graste> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_5
10:31 < Seldaek> handy linky
10:36 < v-dogg> http://blog.veikko.fi/post/68983308/agavi-tip-validation-gotchas
10:36 < E_mE> ah v-dogg you updated your blog :D  that not happened for a long time hehe
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10:37 < E_mE> oh v-dogg a different blog
10:40 < E_mE> gosh all these articles and blogs etc
10:41  * E_mE pets Seldaek graste v-dogg 
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10:45 < Wombert> graste: that's your site, right?
10:45 < E_mE> v-dogg:  why do you use this one: <error for="required">Please fill this input</error>   ... is that not the same as <error>Please fill this input</error>?
10:46 < v-dogg> just to point out that you can have a specific message for required error
10:46 < v-dogg> and still have a different "default"
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11:00 < graste> yes Wombert
11:00 < Wombert> kudos
11:00 < Wombert> good stuff
11:00 < graste> not complete, probably with errors
11:00 < Wombert> including the yellow highlight and the GIFAR note
11:00 < Wombert> :)
11:01 < graste> yeah, think that's important
11:01 < graste> the gifar note
11:01 < graste> yellow highlight is just css magic
11:01 < graste> btw: 10:44 graste: is there a possibility to set the caching parameters (lifetime and groups) dynamically?
11:02 < graste> changing lifetime depending on request param or type of given object - something like that
11:03 < graste> would be nice for slots that are reused to display different objects - not all objects are created equal ^^
11:06 < E_mE> v-dogg: when or how would the default message be called?
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11:09 < E_mE> v-dogg: when or how would the default message be called?
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11:30 < JanK> hi
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12:47 < Fou4th> what is recommended way to store agavi based site settings?
12:54 < graste> settings.xml -> <settings prefix="foo"><setting name="bar">baz</setting><settings>      -    $baz = AgaviConfig::get('foo.bar');
12:54 < graste> ?
12:56 < Fou4th> well
12:56 < Fou4th> it's not good
12:56 < Fou4th> because I want to access settings from UI
12:57 < Fou4th> using AgaviStorage based class for example
12:59 < Fou4th> don't want to use AgaviConfig and settings.xml
12:59 < Fou4th> (files permissions, security etc)
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17:44 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/RFCs/Ticket964
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18:01 < _cheerios> heh @ kids jigsaw http://deceptivecadence.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/stockmann-sells-sm-porn-for-kids/ 
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19:25 < Spica> Huomenta
19:26 < Spica> Is input validation performed before a routing callback occurs?
19:44 < v-dogg> no
19:51 < Spica> But after?
19:51 < Spica> Umm.. that's not nice.
19:52 < Spica> Can I then use AgaviDateAndTimeValidator to check if a year or month numbers are valid?
19:53 < Spica> Or how does it work? Do I need to set DATE argument, too, in the validation configuration?
20:11 < Fou4th> Spica, take a look at this for example
20:11 < Fou4th> http://paste.org.ru/?swjohs
20:12 < Fou4th> you can pass some arguments and form date from them
20:13 < Fou4th> but it looks extremely weird :)
20:13 < Spica> Thanks. It does not look like the thing I want.
20:14 < nfq> hahah
20:14 < nfq> http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/19773/
20:14 < Spica> Maybe I will just use simple numbers as there is not much validation to do when checking a year and a month.
20:14 < Fou4th> well, it's not too hard to write such rules actually
20:15 < Spica> I would like to have some validation nonetheless. Now this thing appears to completely ignore all my validator configurations.
20:15 < Spica> But I will see to that tomorrow. I am getting too tired to think straight.
20:16 < Fou4th> Spica, you can write your own validator
20:16 < Fou4th> it's very easy
20:18 < Spica> Yeah, I know. I have done one already.
20:18 < Spica> *made.
20:20 < Fou4th> http://paste.org.ru/?o1mjom
20:20 < Fou4th> here it is
20:21 < Fou4th> it's not ideal
20:22 < Fou4th> could be reduced
20:22 < Fou4th> (maybe) :)
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20:54 < v-dogg> Fou4th: so you have three inputs that make up a date?
20:56 < v-dogg> this might interest you: http://blog.veikko.fi/post/68983308/agavi-tip-validation-gotchas (scroll down to "Validator Can Normalize And Export Combined Values")
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21:30 < graste> v-dogg: may I use your examples for my faq?
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21:37 < Seldaek> v-dogg: why is lal your ADT xml code with the ae: namespace?
21:38 < Seldaek> isn't that the old thingy?
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21:55 < Seldaek> hmm nice
21:56 < Seldaek> v-dogg: pretty cool your ADT stuff, especially integrated with firephp
21:58 < MrJeep> good wekend !
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05:49 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:50 < Wombert_> huomenta v-dogg 
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06:13 < v-dogg> what's up
06:14 < v-dogg> we are moving today \o/
06:18 < Wombert> WA
06:18 < Wombert> T
06:18 < Wombert> where
06:18 < Wombert> oO
06:18 < Wombert> bigger house
06:19 < Wombert> for more babys?
06:19 < Wombert> :>
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06:36 < v-dogg> yep :)
06:37 < Wombert> good luck with that then
06:37 < Wombert> hope you get it all done today etc
06:37 < Wombert> without freakinng out or anything
06:38 < Wombert> (not that anyone could ever upset a finn, but still)
06:38 < Wombert> -anyone +anything
06:38 < Wombert> there are *people* who can freak you out, I know that :DDD
06:39 < Wombert> bbl
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09:07 < _cheerios> huomenta
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09:09 < _cheerios> http://marc.info/?l=php-internals&m=123215764806132&w=2
09:20 < _cheerios> woot, BSG continued?
09:20 < Seldaek> yes sir
09:20 < Seldaek> final 12 eps :/
09:20 < Seldaek> or 10 
09:20 < _cheerios> FAP FAP FAP
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10:11 < Spica> Huomenta
10:12 < Spica> There was a setting somewhere that allowed me to override the default strict validation mode. Where can I find it?
10:13 < Seldaek> 			<setting name="use_security">true</setting>
10:14 < Seldaek> in settings.xml 
10:14 < Seldaek> I believe
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10:14 < Spica> Hmm.. does not sound correct to me. I think it was not a simple boolean value but a setting that could operate in several modes.
10:14 < Spica> I could be wrong though.
10:17 < Seldaek> I think you're right
10:17 < Seldaek> but I forgot where it is :)
10:18 < Seldaek> ah
10:18 < Seldaek> Spica: factories.xml, in AgaviValidationManager
10:19 < Seldaek> strict/conditional/relaxed
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10:20 < Spica> I only have <validation manager class="AgaviCalidationManager" /> in there. How do I set the mode of operation.
10:21 < Seldaek> expand that and add <parameter name="mode">conditional</parameter> inside
10:21 < Seldaek> or whatever mode you want
10:24 < Spica> Ah, right. Thanks!
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10:25 < Spica> Hmm. it still does not even attempt to validate.
10:25 < Spica> But the mode setting works because now it ignored all the unvalidated parameters.
10:28 < Seldaek> what do you mean does not attempt to validate? :)
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10:34 < Spica> I have an invalid validation configuration (action ShowEntry, validation xml ShowEntry.xml) and I believe it should die from an error. Instead it executes the action quite happily and load the correct template.
10:35 < Seldaek> weird
10:35 < Seldaek> well how invalid is it
10:35 < Seldaek> invalid xml markup or just bad settings?
10:36 < Seldaek> because the former should definitely break the execution
10:36 < Seldaek> latter I'm not sure 
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10:38 < Fou4th> Seldaek, make sure that you've set action's execute method
10:39 < Fou4th> (executeRead, etc)
10:39 < Spica> Invalid markup.
10:39 < Spica> Fou4th: So it does not validate unless executionXXX is set?
10:39 < Fou4th> yep
10:39 < Spica> Did not know.
10:39 < Fou4th> Me too
10:39 < Spica> That's why it ignores the configuration file then.
10:39 < Spica> Let's see..
10:39 < Fou4th> it was recently implemented
10:41 < Spica> Bril! Now it comes crashing down.
10:41 < Spica> Fou4th: Thanks!
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10:49 < Fou4th> looks like #propel channel is dead
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11:17 < Fou4th> How can I set another template for the view?
11:22 < Spica> How can I define min and max parameters for two grouped number validators? (http://pastebin.ca/1310750)
11:23 < Fou4th> Spica, I think datetime validator will be more simple
11:25 < Spica> Fou4th: You gave me an example last night but I did not get it. :)
11:32 < Fou4th> well
11:33 < Fou4th> http://pastebin.ca/1310755
11:34 < Fou4th> you pass three arguments into the validator
11:34 < Fou4th> element <ae:parameter name="arguments_format">%04d-%02d-%02d</ae:parameter> makes a string from these arguments
11:34 < Fou4th> (arguments order is important)
11:35 < Fou4th> then resulting string is matched against format <ae:parameter name="type">format</ae:parameter><ae:parameter name="format">YYYY-MM-DD</ae:parameter>
11:37 < Spica> Umh.. I only get two arguments, month and year, so do I really need a day argument, too? Could I reduce that to %04d-%02d and YYYY-MM respectively?
11:53 < Fou4th> you may add fake day
11:54 < Fou4th> http://pastebin.ca/1310759
11:54 < Fou4th> like this
11:55 < Spica> Ah, right. Thanks!
12:04 < Spica> Fou4th: That last one works. Thanks a lot!
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13:08 < Wombert> on a layer, Fou4th 
13:09 < Wombert> also
13:09 < Wombert> [11:39] Fou4th: it was recently implemented
13:10 < Wombert> that's not true
13:10 < Wombert> it's always been that way
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14:53 < _cheerios> i have a $title variable in my view's that i'd like to be set as a variable behind the scenes (eg. not doing it explicitly in the view that has the title) for use in the template. what's the best approach?
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15:12 < Wombert> localhost:pub dzuelke$ ./console.php showprice -id 123456 -name nonsense
15:12 < Wombert> 3.14
15:12 < Wombert> :>
15:13 < Wombert> _cheerios: setupHtml()
15:15 < _cheerios> lol, all this to notice i'd done this before, but forgotten how it worked -- the code was already in place.
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15:47 < _cheerios> though -- when the view modifies the title, setupHtml() won't be enough, what extra covers this case?
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17:39 < _cheerios> why does something like <param value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Oy0O3xmChks&#038;hl=en&#038;fs=1"></param> kill an html layout, not being bound by width/overflow at all?
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19:55 < _cheerios> just spent like 3hrs making HTML look better, lulz :<
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20:24 < shrink0r> huomenta
20:31 < Wombert> ohai shrink0r 
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20:35 < graste> necessary and useful _cheerios
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20:51 < _cheerios> graste, true, not how i wanted to spend the weekend tho!
20:51 < graste> ^^
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22:05 < _cheerios> oh man. watching BSG after a long time. so nice. so nice.
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23:11 < CIA-10> impl * r3583 /branches/1.0/src/build/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Make AgaviWriteconfigurationTask a bit more extensible re David's comments, refs #519
23:12 < impl> what the fuck is wrong with trac
23:26 < graste> it's not redmine <:
23:27 < _cheerios> graste, that's probably a good thing :)
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23:27 < graste> opinions :>
23:29 < _cheerios> or pay $10/mo for lighthouse and don't worry about either
23:29 < impl> I don't see us migrating any time soon
23:29 < impl> we have way too much info stored in trac
23:30 < _cheerios> i use trac myself, it works
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23:31 < graste> yeah, that's what it does
23:31 < graste> working :)
23:31 < graste> I just don't like the ticket usability and svn/revision browser
23:31 < impl> man, whatever Wombert wanted me to do to to this XML validation shit is totally fucked
23:31 < impl> I'm just going to convert the whole thing back to XSD :<
23:32 < graste> btw I migrated a smaller project from trac to redmine - worked almost flawlessly - some wiki formatting didn't go well
23:32 < graste> was some time ago - probably better by now
23:32 < impl> yeah, we've got four years of records in there though :\
23:33 < graste> yeah migrating something like that's too risky to be worth the hassle
23:33 < graste> at least as long as you've got no reason to migrate :)
23:34 < impl> Yeah :P
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01:36 < graste> wtf
01:36 < graste> why's that article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nforbes/Agavi deleted...
01:36 < graste> as if other frameworks' articles don't smell like ads...
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01:37 < graste> so inconsistent to let agavi stay in the frameworks comparison table but mark that article for deletion
01:37 < graste> wikipedia admins my ass
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08:43 < v-dogg> huomenta
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09:37 < _cheerios> huomenta
09:37 < _cheerios> i irc, i am. c0ffee -->
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12:00 < digitarald> Huomenta
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13:47 < Wombert> alright guise
13:47 < Wombert> who wants to test ze new command line support
13:47 < Wombert> :>
13:47 < Wombert> v-dogg surely not, he's painting walls and building cupboards
13:48 < Wombert> maybe impl 
13:48 < Wombert> oh no, he's still asleep
13:48 < Wombert> digitarald!
13:48  * digitarald is not doing server-side coding
13:48  * digitarald ... not now
13:49 < digitarald> sorry, writing and signing dozens of thank-you cards
13:51 < digitarald> but I'd love to try it in 1hr
13:53 < Wombert> :)
13:53 < Wombert> then
13:53 < Wombert> ummm
13:53 < Wombert> saracen :)
13:53 < Wombert> btw saracen, did that validaiton fix work for you
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13:58 < _cheerios> dammit. totally choked on asking a cute girl for a date on my way out of the gym, ending up just opening the door for her while exchanging smiles. oh well! back to programming.
14:03 < Wombert> _cheerios: moron :>
14:03 < Wombert> _cheerios: go back next sunday, same time
14:04 < Wombert> _cheerios: wanna try console stuff?
14:04 < _cheerios> it'll never be the same. c'est la vie.
14:05 < _cheerios> i have some time, if it won't take much.
14:06 < Wombert> won't
14:06 < Wombert> actually
14:06 < Wombert> have you ever used command line stuff?
14:06 < _cheerios> w/agavi, no
14:06 < Wombert> like... quick "delete all entries" script that's run via cron
14:06 < Wombert> or so
14:06 < Wombert> ok
14:06 < Wombert> I can still email you the patch against 1.0 if you want :p
14:06 < _cheerios> or, er, i've run the test suite thingy, if that counts -- in 0.11
14:07 < Wombert> barely ;o)
14:07 < _cheerios> so, what do i do? i don't even have 1.0 yet
14:07 < Wombert> svn co http://svn.agavi.org/branches/1.0
14:07 < Wombert> email?
14:11 < Wombert> _cheerios: don't forget to chmod a+rwx samples/app/cache ;o)
14:11 < Wombert> and try if it works in the browser by calling samples/pub/
14:11 < Wombert> (it should)
14:12 < graste> huomenta
14:12 < Wombert> ohai graste 
14:12 < Wombert> are you on windows, graste?
14:15 < graste> no
14:15 < graste> ubuntu linux
14:15 < Wombert> okay
14:15 < Wombert> :)
14:16 < Wombert> still wanna try the command line support?
14:16 < Wombert> if you have a couple of minutes
14:16 < graste> why not - what's it about? 
14:20 < Wombert> actually
14:21 < Wombert> I could check in very soon
14:21 < graste> :>
14:33 < Wombert> WombookPro:pub dzuelke$ ./console.php getprice 123456
14:33 < Wombert> 3.14
14:33 < Wombert> WombookPro:pub dzuelke$ ./console.php getprice 123456 --name nonsense
14:33 < Wombert> 3.14
14:33 < Wombert> WombookPro:pub dzuelke$ ./console.php getprice 123456 --name nonsens
14:33 < Wombert> 3.14
14:34 < Wombert> meh
14:34 < Wombert> WombookPro:pub dzuelke$ ./console.php getprice 123456
14:34 < Wombert> 3.14
14:34 < Wombert> WombookPro:pub dzuelke$ ./console.php getprice 123456 -name nonsense
14:34 < Wombert> 3.14
14:34 < Wombert> WombookPro:pub dzuelke$ ./console.php getprice 123456 -name nonsens
14:34 < Wombert> No such product
14:34 < Wombert> this
14:34 < Wombert> :)
14:35 < graste> hm
14:36 < graste> k
14:36 < graste> getprice is a route for console apps?
14:37 < graste> should have a look at the samples app, i reckon
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14:41 < moritz__> huomenta
14:41 < graste> huomenta
14:42 < moritz__> how can I keep an array of objects alive between the executeRead() and executeWrite() of the same action?
14:42 < moritz__> $this->setAttribute('my_array', $array) in the action?
14:44 < graste> this would make your $array available in the view/template defined for the read or write method
14:45 < CIA-10> david * r3584 /branches/1.0/ (13 files in 8 dirs): Command line support (request/response/routing), closes #480
14:46 < Wombert> check it out folks
14:46 < Wombert> moritz__: in the session?
14:46 < Wombert> or what?
14:46 < moritz__> graste: is there a way to maintain an object in memory 
14:46 < moritz__> yes
14:46 < moritz__> Wombert: yes
14:47 < Wombert> $user->setAttribute(...)
14:47 < moritz__> ok cool
14:47 < moritz__> thanks
14:47 < Wombert> your stuff needs to be serializable though
14:47 < Wombert> which e.g. pdo objects aren't
14:47 < Wombert> okay _cheerios and graste 
14:47 < Wombert> svn up
14:47 < Wombert> be sure to chmod a+rwx samples/app/cache
14:47 < graste> and you shouldn't put everything in session ;)
14:47 < moritz__> what do I need to implement in order for my object to be serializable?
14:47 < moritz__> do I need to serialize my instance variables?
14:48 < Wombert> moritz__: try if it works first ;)
14:48 < moritz__> ok cool
14:48 < Wombert> calling the sample app in the browser should work, _cheerios and graste 
14:48 < Wombert> then go to the command line
14:48 < Wombert> cd samples/pub
14:48 < Wombert> php console.php
14:48 < Wombert> should bring up usage
14:48 < Wombert> php console.php getprice 123456
14:48 < Wombert> let me know if that works or not
14:49 < _cheerios> i have no console.php?
14:49 < graste> 1 mom - have an agaviparseexception somewhere ^^
14:50 < Wombert> graste: uh? what does it say
14:50 < Wombert> _cheerios: not?
14:50 < Wombert> I committed it tho :p
14:50 < graste> no worries - i altered the sample app - just checking
14:51 < _cheerios> *shrug* not here
14:52 < _cheerios> odd, i see it in the repo. x_X
14:52 < Wombert> _cheerios: do a fresh checkout :)
14:53 < graste> settings.xml: Line 2: Element '{http://agavi.org/agavi/config/global/envelope/1.0}configurations': No matching global declaration available for the validation root.
14:53 < graste> should I do a fresh checkout as well? ^^
14:55 < graste> nevermind
14:55 < graste> works
14:55 < graste> 2.14
14:55 < graste> 3
14:56 < Wombert> cool graste 
14:56 < Wombert> now we just need someone to test on windows :)
14:56 < CIA-10> david * r3585 /branches/0.11/ (228 files in 33 dirs): bumped copyright year to 2009
14:57 < graste> hehe
14:57 < graste> winwhat?
14:57 < graste> i've got a windows installation, but nothing configured, no wampp or similar
14:59 < graste> pretty neat this console stuff
15:00 < _cheerios> Wombert, works. the missing file problem was due a scripting error on my end, fixing that now :)
15:05 < graste> why'd you call it executeText()? wouldn't executeConsole() or something be better?
15:08 < graste> nevermind, don't know a better name for output type =)
15:10 < Wombert> yeah probably, graste 
15:10 < Wombert> just an example ;)
15:10 < graste> well, I like the new stuff
15:12 < graste> should make it possible to test some things in console without web request-response-cycle or create some console admin interface pretty easy, I guess
15:15 < graste> and you didn't even have to change much to implement it - mainly the new request class
15:18 < Wombert> :)
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15:26 < CIA-10> david * r3586 /branches/1.0/ (339 files in 49 dirs): bumped copyright year to 2009
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16:20 < _cheerios> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-google-employees-quit/
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16:50 < graste> seems to me like all big companies go - mgmt is a waste and life-work-balance is pretty fucked up if you want to get a decent salary or at least don't stay at your position forever
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16:52 < graste> many of them chose google for its reputation etc and ended up work for just another big company with constantly changing environments and project priorites or business goals
16:52 < graste> perhaps still better than others
16:52 < graste> who knows 
16:52 < graste> :>
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17:01 < graste> ps ax |grep sonata
17:01 < graste> ups
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18:07 < _cheerios> finally finished reading that techcrunch article. pe-heew.
18:14 < graste> :>
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18:52 < Fou4th> hi everyone
19:01 < _cheerios> 9pm x_X
19:01 < Fou4th> how cached page could be deleted from cache?
19:02 < Fou4th> for example, if I edit specific blog post I cannot see editing results on the index page because it's cached
19:03 < Fou4th> there should be some kind of reset method
19:03 < Fou4th> in the action
19:13 < _cheerios> haven't done caching in a while, what do the api docs say?
19:20 < Fou4th> nothing
19:21 < Fou4th> but anyway
19:21 < Fou4th> opensource is cool
19:22 < Fou4th> just found function clearCache
19:22 < _cheerios> sounds like the ticket
19:23 < Fou4th> well, almost everything sounds like the ticket
19:23 < Fou4th> good docs (reference, howtos etc) required
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19:33 < graste1> does it clea the whole cache or just a specific entry?
19:33 < graste1> +r
19:33 < Fou4th> http://www.agavi.org/irclogs/agavi-200706.log
19:33 < Fou4th> found that log
19:33 < Fou4th> 18:59 < Wombert> then you call clearCache(array('products', $id));
19:33 < Fou4th> so looks like a solution
19:33 < Fou4th> checking now
19:34 < graste1> yes :>
19:34 < graste1> you could use the updatedTimestamp of your blog post as a group request_data parameter in your display slots caching xml, i guess
19:35 < graste1> irc logs ftw
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19:42 < Fou4th> still don't understand a few things
19:44 < graste1> me neither :)
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19:44 < Fou4th> if I put something like '<group>index</group>' to the file Index.xml then where this group will be visible 
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19:45 < Fou4th> If I write something like "AgaviExecutionFilter::clearCache(array('index'));" in the action how it detects what cache entry shoul be deleted?
19:47 < Fou4th> ahmm
19:47 < Fou4th> understood
19:48 < graste1> ?
19:48 < Fou4th> well
19:48 < Fou4th> don't know again :)
19:49 < Fou4th> group name is actually a directory name in the cache
19:49 < Fou4th> (base64-ed actually)
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19:50 < Fou4th> so cache group name is really global name
19:50 < Fou4th> and deleting one group may affect many pages, so group looks like a most important element in the cache declaration XML
19:51 < graste1> yes - that's why you specify multiple group elemts usually
19:51 < _cheerios> seems google has updated their index with millions more pages for each search item
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20:24 < CIA-10> david * r3587 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php: Aggregate validation errors, refs #519
20:37 < CIA-10> david * r3588 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php: Error message formatting
20:43 < _cheerios> did mojavi really lack routing, or can i not understand my old project anymore? :)
20:54 < Fou4th>             $val = $this->getVariable($group['name'], $group['source'], $group['namespace'], $container);
20:54 < Fou4th>             if($val === null) {
20:54 < Fou4th> from ./filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php
20:54 < Fou4th> looks like bug
20:56 < Fou4th> when AgaviExecutionFilter::getVariable() return FALSE correspondig cache directory is not created
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21:00 < Fou4th> $ php -r 'var_dump(base64_encode(FALSE));'
21:00 < Fou4th> string(0) ""
21:02 < impl> _cheerios: Its routing was quite simple
21:02 < impl> dispatch.php?module=ModuleName&action=ActionName&other=parameters&go=here
21:03 < Fou4th> $ php -r 'var_dump(base64_encode(TRUE));'
21:03 < Fou4th> string(4) "MQ=="
21:03 < _cheerios> impl, ah, right -- module/action, that's it, nothing more. ty
21:03 < impl> yup
21:03 < _cheerios> i was like "WHERE THE HELL IS THE ROUTING.INI???" :p
21:04 < impl> Fou4th: uhmm
21:04 < impl> Fou4th: sec
21:06 < Fou4th> when using source="user_credential" for example in the cache definition, cache path sometimes is constructed incorrectly
21:07 < Fou4th> If user has that credentional then path is "content/cG9zdHNfbGlzdA\=\=/MQ\=\=/UHVibGljX0luZGV4/"
21:08 < Fou4th> arghhh
21:08 < Fou4th> sorry
21:08 < impl> Fou4th: hmh?
21:08 < Fou4th> just a sec
21:09 < Fou4th> If user has that credentional then path is "content/MQ==/SOMETHING", if he doesn't, then path is "content//SOMETHING"
21:09 < Fou4th> look at "//"
21:09 < Fou4th> there should be "0" i suppose
21:09 < impl> yeah
21:10 < impl> It probably just needs || $val === false
21:10 < Fou4th> it's because getVariable() returns FALSE
21:10 < Fou4th> yep
21:10 < impl> easy enough to fix
21:10 < Fou4th> but not easy to find :)
21:11 < impl> Indeed :P
21:11 < impl> Do you mind opening a ticket so we can credit you appropriately?
21:11 < graste1> ^^
21:11 < Fou4th> sure, I'm composing it rught now
21:11 < impl> Great, thanks :D
21:16 < Fou4th> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/988
21:19 < Fou4th> arrr
21:20 < graste1> :)
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06:18 < CIA-10> david * r3590 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php): merge [3589/branches/0.11], refs #988
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06:29 < CIA-10> david * r3591 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php: Evaluate ISO SVRL result to report Schematron validation errors, refs #519 and #761
06:38 < CIA-10> impl * r3592 /branches/1.0/src/config/xsd/ (_annotations.xsd _envelope.xsd _types.xsd): (1/3) Introduce base global XML Schemas for config system, refs #519
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07:28 < digitarald> Huomenta
07:39 < impl> \o/ conversion almost done
07:40 < Seldaek> impl: is it you felix or who was it I got all my name/nick mappings messed up :)
07:40 < impl> Seldaek: would I have known about it if I had done it?
07:41 < impl> Seldaek: oh, sorry, misunderstood
07:41 < impl> Seldaek: No, I'm not Felix; that's Xylakant
07:41 < impl> My name is Noah
07:41 < Seldaek> okay :p
07:42 < Seldaek> isn't he coming on irc anymore?
07:42 < impl> dunno, I assume he's busy working
07:42 < impl> Do you need to get in touch with him?
07:45 < Seldaek> well it's okay I'll ping back on the mailing list
07:45 < impl> alright :)
07:45 < Seldaek> I just feel less of an annoyance pinging people on irc :p
07:45 < impl> nah, we like ML traffic anyway
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07:50 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:00 < impl> mornin'
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08:16 < digitarald> is bloggie, the tutorial app, available for download?
08:16 < CIA-10> impl * r3593 /branches/1.0/src/config/xsd/ (30 files in 2 dirs): (2/3) Move internal parts schemas to a separate directory, refs #519
08:16 < impl> digitarald: yeah, it's in SVN, one second
08:17 < digitarald> http://svn.agavi.org/documentation/trunk/ ?
08:17 < impl> digitarald: yeah, in the stages directory
08:18 < CIA-10> impl * r3594 /branches/1.0/src/config/xsd/autoload.xsd: (2.71/3) One more..., refs #519
08:28 < impl> ugh, failing tests
08:31 < CIA-10> impl * r3595 /branches/1.0/src/config/ (20 files in 3 dirs): (3/3) Add new bridge files and update all references to XSD files, refs #519
08:39 < CIA-10> impl * r3596 /branches/1.0/src/config/xsd/_envelope.xsd: (3.14/3) Support any attribute in <configuration> blocks per [2579], refs #515, #519
08:41 < impl> =)
08:41 < impl> digitarald: Did you find it okay?
08:49 < CIA-10> david * r3597 /branches/0.11/samples/app/modules/Default/templates/LoginInput.php: what was *that*? [3578]
08:50 < CIA-10> david * r3598 /branches/1.0/samples/app/modules/Default/templates/LoginInput.php: merge [3597/branches/0.11]
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09:31 < CIA-10> impl * r3599 /branches/1.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Make module detection in the project management system only dependent on the existence of config/module.xml, closes #924
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10:58 < Macen> Error reading project file [wrapped: Unable to openbuild.xml for reading: fopen( build.xml) [/Applications/xampp/html/function.fopen.html]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory]
10:58 < Macen> no sign of it on the server either
10:58 < Macen> just isn't there
10:58 < Macen> could be because i upgraded to 1.0b6?
11:00 < Macen> trying to do "agavi action" , tells me the above, then asks me for the project prefix
11:00 < Macen> i'll do a backup and see what happens
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11:13 < CIA-10> david * r3600 /branches/1.0/tests2/sandbox2/config/config_handlers.xml: updated routing_*.xml definition for test cases config_handlers.xml, refs #519
11:42 < CIA-10> david * r3601 /branches/1.0/tests2/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed tests for rbac config handler
11:43 < CIA-10> david * r3602 /branches/1.0/tests2/config/RbacdefinitionConfigHandlerTest.php: really fixed tests for rbac config handler
11:46 < v-dogg> huomenta
11:46 < CIA-10> david * r3603 /branches/1.0/tests2/config/LoggingConfigHandlerTest.php: fixed tests for logging config handler
11:48 < Otmenych> just caught error
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11:49 < Fou4th> Configuration file "...../app/config/autoload.xml" does not have a registered handler
11:49 < Fou4th> ?
11:49 < Fou4th> how it could be fixed?
11:49 < Wombert> clear your cache
11:50 < Wombert> Fou4th: clear your cache
11:50 < Wombert> app/cache/*
11:50 < Fou4th> cache is empty
11:51 < Wombert> uh
11:51 < Wombert> what version?
11:51 < Wombert> did you update before trying if you're on svn?
11:51 < Fou4th> svn 1.0 branch
11:51 < Fou4th> checked out a few minutes afo
11:51 < Fou4th> *ago
11:52 < Fou4th> it's a fresh server, maybe some required software is missing?
11:59 < Seldaek> Wombert: I was looking at the sample app's autologon cookie.. isn't it a bit unsafe to set the username/password(hashed, but still) in the cookie? 
12:00 < Seldaek> I mean if the cookie gets stolen, you basically give access to your account, until you change your password
12:00 < Seldaek> or are you regenerating a new salt at each login or something?
12:00 < Wombert> no
12:00 < Wombert> also see the sample app user
12:01 < Wombert> it says that it's just an example
12:01 < Wombert> :)
12:01 < Seldaek> yeah okay
12:01 < Wombert> Fou4th: gotta go for lunch
12:01 < Wombert> will help you later
12:01 < Seldaek> but do you think that's safe enough to regenerate a salt each time?
12:01 < Wombert> I dunno tbh
12:01 < Wombert> laters man
12:01 < Wombert> sorry
12:01 < Seldaek> ok :)
12:01 < Seldaek> have a nice lunch then
12:14 < Fou4th> PHP Fatal error:  Class 'DOMAttr' not found in
12:15 < Fou4th> looks like DOM isn't installed
12:16 < v-dogg> lemme guess, you use some linux distros own php package?
12:18 < Fou4th> no
12:18 < Fou4th> I'm using newly installed freebsd
12:18 < Fou4th> pkg_add tells that it's installed
12:19 < Fou4th> phpinfo tells that didn't
12:19 < Fou4th> hate freebsd
12:19 < v-dogg> falls into the same category
12:19 < v-dogg> package maintainers decide what the default installation includes
12:19 < v-dogg> and basic components like DOM is missing
12:21 < Fou4th> they didn't turned on dom
12:21 < Fou4th> stupid system
12:21 < Fou4th> btw
12:22 < Fou4th> Agavi didn't tell about dom missing
12:23 < Fou4th> I've found that be var_dump()ing AgaviConfigCache::loadConfigHandlers()
12:23 < Fou4th> a, forget it
12:42 < Wombert> yeah Fou4th we don't have checks for that because ext/dom is enabled by default in PHP
12:42 < Wombert> if people disable it... their problem ;)
12:43 < Wombert> in comparison, we warn about missing ext/xsl, because that's not enabled by default
12:43 < Wombert> Seldaek: re
12:43 < Wombert> Seldaek: I really have no clue. it's just an example :p
12:43 < Wombert> Fou4th: also, enabling display_errors helps in such a case ;)
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12:55 < Seldaek> Wombert: okay.. I'll research it, because that seems really insecure to me, but all cookie schemes are insecure to a point anyway
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13:53 < MrJeep> good morning
13:53 < MrJeep> yet another week starting
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14:44 < Seldaek> digitarald: dude we need the agavi forge :p
14:45 < graste> indeed
14:51 < digitarald> great idea
14:51 < nfq> so, who's loving this new windows worm?
14:52 < digitarald> we should start it as open source project, so many people can contribute to the source
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14:52 < Seldaek> digitarald: what do you mean start it ? is it not started yet ? :p
14:52 < digitarald> nfq: I love Worms!
14:52 < digitarald> Seldaek: oh, right, yeah ...
14:53 < nfq> digitarald: yummy
14:53 < Seldaek> digitarald: but other than that yes.. if you're overwhelmed sure let's make it an open party, it can't really slow things down I guess
14:53 < Seldaek> although I can't say I could put time into this atm 
15:02 < Wombert> I will be able to next week
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16:02 < MrJeep> I think I heard about this worm on digg
16:02 < MrJeep> what is he supposed to do ?
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16:22 < CIA-10> david * r3604 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php): Fix #989: AgaviConfigCache::loadConfigHandlers() may trigger "cannot redeclare class" fatal error
16:23 < Wombert> MrJeep: it's Skynet
16:23 < MrJeep> zomg
16:23 < MrJeep> so my dreams were real after all!!!
16:23 < Wombert> Judgement Day is inevitable
16:24 < MrJeep> i'll build my own nocular bunker tomorow
16:24 < MrJeep> do you think they will event bomb Quebec ?
16:24 < MrJeep> I'm not sure skynet would know about us
16:25 < MrJeep> but seriously
16:25 < MrJeep> what's this worm ?
16:25 < MrJeep> except the obvious skynet
16:28 < CIA-10> david * r3605 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php): ported [3604/branches/0.11], refs #989
16:29 < Wombert> not quebec, MrJeep 
16:29 < Wombert> or canada, for that matter
16:29 < Wombert> you guys are really nice, but too backwards
16:30 < MrJeep> hehe
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17:28 < CIA-10> david * r3606 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/exception/AgaviException.class.php): AgaviException::render() should send shell exit code, closes #990
17:30 < CIA-10> david * r3607 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/exception/AgaviException.class.php): merge [3606/branches/0.11], refs #990
17:32 < CIA-10> david * r3608 /branches/1.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): shell exit code support for command line response, refs #480
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18:12 < _cheerios> "FORGET DATING - Make her want to fuck you in 60 seconds pdf in Essays" :p
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18:16 < MrJeep> what ?
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21:04 < MrJeep> is is possible to set / get attribute from a validator ?
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21:19 < MrJeep> is there any way to store information in a validator
21:19 < MrJeep> static information
21:20 < MrJeep> let's say I have 5 email field on a form
21:20 < MrJeep> I want to make sure that each 5 emails are different
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21:37 < graste> how about chaining validators using provides/depends and and operator?
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21:45 < MrJeep> look to me like a waste of time
21:45 < graste> I would try something like that: http://pastebin.ca/1312778 :D
21:45 < graste> or write a custom validator :o
21:45 < MrJeep> I found I could use get / set parameter with a custom validator
21:45 < MrJeep> but thanks for sharing your help :)
21:45 < graste> could you try my example? would like to know if that would work :D
21:45 < graste> :P
21:46 < MrJeep> hehe not much time sorry
21:46 < graste> =)
21:48 < MrJeep> this is how I did it : 
21:48 < MrJeep> http://pastie.org/365094
21:48 < MrJeep> if you're interested
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00:24 < bobbytek6> How can I set a param in route that isn't in the url?
00:25 < bobbytek6> Do I use defaults for that?
00:25 < bobbytek6> Or can I assign it in the route pattern?
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00:28 < bobbytek6> v-dogg: you here?
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00:42 < bobbytek6> :(
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01:51 < Fastly_> hi folks
01:53 < Fastly_> i've written what can be described as a helper function for templates, which reformats timestamps into a nice string... any thoughts on where is the best place put this?
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07:32 < v-dogg> huomenta
07:35 < digitarald> Huoment
07:35 < digitarald> a
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07:53 < liutis> huomenta
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07:56 < _cheerios> huomenta
07:57 < moritz> huomenta
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08:58 < Fou4th> hi all
08:59 < Fou4th> where can I read about slots and layers?
08:59 < Fou4th> tutorial didn't help
08:59 < v-dogg> http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/slots.html
08:59 < v-dogg> ok then
09:00 < _cheerios> has anyone modified 0.11 to save the content cache into a custom location, instead of the filesystem?
09:00 < _cheerios> (+read it from custom location too :))
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09:05 < Fou4th> For example, how I can access (in the template) renderer layers?
09:07 < v-dogg> tell us what you are trying to do first
09:08 < Fou4th> I'm trying to understand. As I understand now I cannot access arbitrary previously rendered layer
09:08 < Fou4th> just $inner with sum of all previous
09:08 < Fou4th> is it right?
09:10 < Wombert> yes
09:11 < Fou4th> ok
09:11 < Wombert> that is intentional, Fou4th 
09:12 < Wombert> also, there is no other way to do it
09:12 < Wombert> if you think about it :)
09:12 < Wombert> what does it gain you to access the layer before the last one, for instance
09:12 < Wombert> it's already too late to modify it or so :)
09:13 < Fou4th> well
09:16 < Seldaek> if you want access to different things, it's slots you need, not layer
09:16 < Seldaek> s
09:16 < Fou4th> I'm using slots already
09:16 < _cheerios> Wombert, few q's; is it possible to have 0.11 use memcache by just extending AgaviExecutionFilter and overriding read+write+check+saveCache() methods? Also, how do I store full copies of the page (no slots in use), having all the content on readCache lookup (iirc the saved cache consisted of parts of data that agavi still parsed -- might be wrong)?
09:17 < Wombert> yes _cheerios 
09:17 < Wombert> _cheerios: I didn't get the second part
09:17 < Fou4th> I don't have any questions about slots :)
09:17 < _cheerios> the cache was a serialized object/array of something. i'd need to look it up again, just a foggy memory.
09:17 < Fou4th> just aboutl layers
09:19 < Wombert> go ahead Fou4th :)
09:19 < Wombert> _cheerios: ah no you are passed all the necessary stuff
09:19 < Wombert> mind you however that grouping is difficult in memcache
09:20 < Wombert> because you have no "tree" where you can delete entire branches
09:20 < Wombert> it can be done, but it needs a couple of trick
09:20 < Wombert> s
09:20 < Wombert> I'm afraid I'm busy right now and can't help with that
09:20 < Wombert> but
09:20 < Wombert> once digitarald finishes the forge :D
09:20 < Wombert> I know people who can contribute their implementations
09:20 < _cheerios> no need to go that far, i guess. just needed some infoes to get on the right path on this issue, as i don't want to cache stuff on NFS anymore :)
09:22 < Wombert> _cheerios: just look at the default implementation
09:22 < Wombert> it's simple
09:22 < Fou4th> how to prevent one slot from caching?
09:25 < Wombert> Fou4th: eh?
09:25 < Wombert> don't set up caching for it? :p
09:25 < Wombert> or tell caching not to cache the template layer the slot is on
09:25 < Wombert> so it only caches, say, the content layer, not the decorator
09:25 < Fou4th> no, layer must be in cache
09:26 < Wombert> that is not possible, of course
09:26 < Wombert> think about it
09:26 < Wombert> you're doing echo $slots['foo']
09:26 < Wombert> in that layer
09:26 < Wombert> but are you sure?
09:26 < Wombert> you *can* have caching where some layers are still rendered every time
09:26 < Wombert> even though the action and view are served from cache
09:26 < Wombert> agavi can do that
09:27 < Fou4th> well, I need some fragment of screen exclude from the cache
09:27 < Wombert> so your decorator with logged in info etc is rendered every time
09:27 < Fou4th> but it is deep inside HTML code
09:27 < Wombert> I'm pretty sure you don't need to cache your decorator layer, Fou4th 
09:27 < Wombert> another alternative would be to set that slot on the outermost layer (which is not cached), and then doing a str_replace on $inner
09:27 < Fou4th> well, looks like I have to redesign html code
09:28 < Wombert> probably :)
09:28 < Fou4th> :(
09:28 < v-dogg> triangle nads for kaffe
09:28 < v-dogg> sweet elixir of awakening
09:29 < Fou4th> about caching
09:30 < _cheerios> i got no sleep last night. no amount of coffee can help me :)
09:30 < Fou4th> If I want to exclude some layer from cache I have to place it below all other layers in the <layout> stack?
09:31 < Fou4th> ahmm
09:31 < Wombert> Fou4th: layers are rendered in sequence
09:31 < Wombert> from start to end
09:32 < Wombert> by default, caching caches everything
09:32 < Wombert> but you can specify a certain layer
09:32 < Wombert> that layer will then be cached, but none after it
09:32 < Wombert> also, you can specify a layer, and slots inside it
09:32 < Wombert> that layer will then *not* be cached, but the slots will be included in the cache for you
09:33 < Wombert> (so you don't have to set up caching on the slot actions)
09:33 < moritz> is the datathat I get from AgaviRequestDataHolder $rd already sanitized from xss attacks?
09:33 < Wombert> no moritz 
09:33 < Wombert> you need to validate input
09:34 < v-dogg> hahaha
09:34 < v-dogg> http://agileweb.tumblr.com/post/14990641/wombert-oh-god-zomg-zomg-zomg-can-anyone-confirm
09:34 < v-dogg> good times <3 :DD
09:35 < moritz> do I validate form fields with the name: member[surname][1] member[surname][2] with a validator of the form>>>
09:35 < moritz> <argument>member[surname]</argument>  ?
09:35 < moritz> in the validator for that action
09:35 < v-dogg> that's one way
09:36 < moritz> and that applies to all member[surname] forms?
09:36 < v-dogg> moritz: http://blog.veikko.fi/post/68983308/agavi-tip-validation-gotchas
09:36 < v-dogg> scroll down to "Validating Array Inputs"
09:36 < moritz> awesome, thanks!
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10:13 < radut> huomenta everyone
10:14 < radut> one question regarding the agavi 1.0 xml validation
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10:14 < radut> prior to 1.0 in the validation xml there was an option to export a variable
10:15 < radut> most common usecase would be at password validation in a registration process
10:16 < radut> let' s say you have pass1 and pass2 and you compare them to be identical (same password was entered two times) and if they are the same export a variable named password
10:16 < radut> which you use later on
10:16 < moritz> how do I tell my validator only to execute on executeWrite() or does it do that automatically?
10:16 < radut> moritz
10:16 < moritz> yes
10:16 < radut> <validators method="write">
10:16 < moritz> thanks
10:17 < radut> definitelly works on Agavi 0.11 :)
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10:49 < Wombert> [11:14] radut: prior to 1.0 in the validation xml there was an option to export a variable
10:49 < Wombert> was there?
10:49 < Wombert> <parameter name="export">
10:49 < Wombert> is what you do
10:49 < Wombert> that's simply a feature of many validators
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10:49 < Fou4th> Fatal error: Call to undefined method AgaviModuleFilesystemCheck::setActionsDirectory() in /home/cancel/app/agavi/svn-1.0/src/build/phing/org/agavi/build/tasks/AgaviLocatemoduleTask.php on line 94
10:50 < Fou4th> bug?
10:50 < Wombert> 1.0 still does
10:50 < Wombert> Fou4th: sounds like it
10:50 < Wombert> Fou4th: make a ticket please, with steps to reproduce
10:52 < radut> Wombert: yes, you're right
10:53 < radut> Wombert: is that parameter name="export> feature still available in 1.0?"
10:55 < Wombert> yes of course
10:55 < Wombert> you can also still do <validator ... export="...">
10:55 < Wombert> that did not change at all in 1.0
10:55 < Wombert> not sure what you mean, radut 
10:56 < radut> well ... the exact case: i'll copy paste
10:56 < radut> <parameter name="export">password<parameter>
10:57 < radut> worked just fine using agavi 0.11
10:57 < radut> and now ... it doesn't
10:57 < radut> if I use a print_r($rd->getParameter('password')) it sais it's empty
10:58 < Fou4th> hmm
11:00 < Fou4th> radut, could you send complete validator's code? using pastie.org or something like
11:00 < radut> I'll paste it here if you want
11:00 < radut> :)
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11:03 < Wombert> that sounds like a bug then, radut 
11:03 < Wombert> what 1.0 version is that?
11:03 < radut> beta6
11:03 < Wombert> radut: http://pastie.org/ please
11:03 < Wombert> we'll reproduce and fix later
11:03 < radut> yeah
11:04 < radut> did that ... but I've never used that and dunno how to use it :)
11:04 < Wombert> radut: huh?
11:05 < radut> never used pastie.org
11:05 < Wombert> you paste text there and click "paste"
11:05 < radut> did that
11:05 < radut> you need the number they generated?
11:05 < Wombert> then tell us the link
11:05 < radut> :D
11:05 < Wombert> ...
11:05 < Wombert> oh boy :p
11:05 < radut> http://pastie.org/365562
11:05 < radut> cool
11:05 < Wombert> thanks
11:05 < Wombert> radut: but the validator runs?
11:06 < Wombert> it just won't export?
11:06 < Wombert> can you verify that?
11:06 < radut> yeah
11:06 < Wombert> (make passwords not match)
11:06 < Wombert> okay
11:06 < radut> let me check it again
11:06 < radut> to make sure
11:08 < Fou4th> maybe wrong namespace?
11:08 < radut> hmm
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11:09 < radut> apparently the validator is not working
11:09 < E_mE> huomenta
11:14 < radut> yeah
11:14 < radut> the validator won't work at all
11:14 < radut> :((
11:14 < radut> so .. nevermind my question
11:14 < radut> :(
11:15 < v-dogg> what's the problem
11:16 < radut> well ... I have a validator which is never called
11:16 < radut> :)
11:16 < radut> I now have to figure out why
11:20 < radut> new question: if the validation manager is set to "relaxed" from the factories.xml .. than the validators are not called even if there are validators defined?
11:21 < E_mE> does anyone know if there is a method i can remove ever.svn/ directory in one of my development trees?
11:21 < E_mE> besides doing rm -rf */.svn  and then rm -rf */*/.svn etc
11:21 < Fou4th> radut, check that your action has corresponding executeXXX method
11:22 < Fou4th> find . -name .svn -type d -exec rm -rf {} \;
11:22 < radut> it has executeWrite
11:22 < Fou4th> hmm
11:22 < E_mE> Fou4th: thank you.. looks like a vicious statement :S
11:22 < Fou4th> which validator is not eexcuted?
11:22 < Wombert> validation should still be run, radut 
11:22 < Wombert> please upgrade to beta7 first
11:22 < Wombert> we did some fixes with dependencies etc
11:22 < radut> oh, okay
11:23 < E_mE> radut: can you re-paste that please
11:23 < E_mE> ive cleared the screen by mistake
11:23 < Fou4th> find . -name .svn -type d -print0|xargs -0 rm -rf 
11:23 < E_mE> hmpf!
11:23 < E_mE> thank you
11:23 < Fou4th> that's another way
11:24 < Fou4th> the 2nd way is better that 1st because it doesn't produce lot sof error messages
11:24 < Fou4th> than*
11:25 < E_mE> thank you Fou4th ... i shall anaylse that statement :)
11:25 < graste> radut	new question: if the validation manager is set to "relaxed" from the factories.xml .. than the validators are not called even if there are validators defined? -> http://www.mivesto.de/agavi/agavi-faq.html#validation_0
11:25 < E_mE> looks interesting
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11:36 < E_mE> are then any examples of caching in modules
11:36 < E_mE> ?
11:36 < E_mE> i looked in sample app, and there is only very minimal code
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11:37 < Xylakant> huomenta
11:38 < kaos|work_> DICH KENN ICH !!!11111111
11:38 < kaos|work_> ;)
11:38 < Xylakant> short question: does anyone have a log appender that sends a mail when an entry is logged
11:38 < Xylakant> pass auf, ich weiss wo du wohnst und arbeitest.
11:38 < Xylakant> :)
11:38 < Xylakant> icb in aber nur ganz kurz da
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11:39 < Wombert> Xylakant: v-dogg probably has one
11:39 < E_mE> Wombert: is there any examples or so of caching around?
11:39 < Wombert> E_mE: sample app
11:40 < Wombert> and a mailing list post somewhere
11:40 < E_mE> okay ill check mailing list :)
11:40 < E_mE> thanks
11:40 < v-dogg> wootwootwoot
11:41 < v-dogg> no, I don't actually
11:41 < v-dogg> I only have an exception template with mail() :)
11:43 < _cheerios> v-dogg, haha, hacked in like w/mine /me waits for stick from wombert
11:45 < Wombert> what we should really have
11:45 < Wombert> is a syslog logger appender
11:45  * Wombert will write that later
11:47 < Xylakant> ok, thanks for the info
11:48 < Xylakant> i'll have to write the mailappender myself i guess
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11:50 < v-dogg> don't we have a syslog appender?-)
11:50 < v-dogg> I thought we did :)
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12:16 < CIA-10> david * r3609 /branches/1.0/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Renamed AgaviTranslationManager::getCurrentTimeZone() to getDefaultTimeZone() and made default timezone configurable, closes #994
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12:29 < CIA-10> david * r3610 /branches/1.0/ (6 files in 4 dirs): backing out [3609], it's broken, it's broken! refs #994
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12:36 < CIA-10> david * r3611 /branches/1.0/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Renamed AgaviTranslationManager::getCurrentTimeZone() to getDefaultTimeZone(), closes #994
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12:40 < CIA-10> david * r3612 /branches/1.0/RELEASE_NOTES: Document validation manager error/incident API changes in RELEASE_NOTES, closes #992
12:55 < CIA-10> david * r3613 /branches/1.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): backing out broken fix committed in [3599], refs #924 and closes #993
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15:04 < hashBROWN> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27721638/ - inauguration live... speech in an hour i think
15:05 < hashBROWN> http://www.loudminorityradio.com/2009/01/obama-yes-we-can/
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17:05 < _cheerios> jee
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17:08 < E_mE> obama has just entered power
17:09 < _cheerios> YO DAWG I GOT POWER!!!
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17:25 < MrJeep> hum, where is the documentation on the translation system ?
17:25 < MrJeep> I'm trying to translate a simple string
17:25 < MrJeep> in the domain default.title
17:25 < MrJeep> $tm->_('Home', 'default.title')
17:25 < MrJeep> but the string does not translate :S
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17:48 < CIA-10> dominik * r3614 /branches/1.0/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 
17:48 < CIA-10> Update date parsing and formatting
17:48 < CIA-10> see http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/RFCs/Ticket964
17:48 < CIA-10> closes #964
18:08 < v-dogg> MrJeep: with what translator?
18:08 < MrJeep> simple translator
18:09 < v-dogg> pastebin the translation file please
18:10 < MrJeep> sure
18:10 < MrJeep> http://pastie.org/365832
18:13 < v-dogg> just a sec, I'll re-paste in a sec
18:13 < MrJeep> ok ty
18:15 < v-dogg> http://pastie.org/365837
18:15 < v-dogg> that should do it
18:16 < v-dogg> the second part of the domain is a parameter for simpletranslator, not an actual domain
18:17 < MrJeep> let me try (ty)
18:17  * Wombert stabs Seldaek 
18:17 < Wombert> why are you calling me
18:19 < CIA-10> david * r3615 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/validator/AgaviDateTimeValidator.class.php): fixed #991: The AgaviDateTimeValidator doesn't check input value types for unix and unix_milliseconds formats
18:21 < MrJeep> it works very well, thank you
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20:44 < Seldaek> Wombert: oh. shit
20:45 < Wombert> Seldaek: hehe
20:45 < Seldaek> I don't know my phone was in my pocket and at some point I noticed I had a message saying "last call blah you've 2.5francs left on your credit" 
20:45 < Wombert> yeah
20:45 < Wombert> lol
20:45 < Seldaek> didn't get it :)
20:45 < Wombert> I figured
20:45 < Wombert> switch on auto keypad lock
20:45 < Wombert> :)
20:45 < Seldaek> it is
20:45 < Seldaek> not sure what happened
20:46 < Seldaek> I was moving some furniture so maybe I pressed it
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21:11 < graste> your nerdy neighbour hacked you to stop you from moving furniture around :X
21:12 < Seldaek> I don't think my phone is hackable 
21:13 < Seldaek> it's an old brick :)
21:21 < graste> hehe
21:21 < graste> ipod seems to be "hackable": http://tulipsociety.com/wordpress/?p=70
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21:35 < Seldaek> heh nice idea
21:50 < CIA-10> impl * r3616 /branches/1.0/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Fix #924 (for real this time): Build system does not always identify modules correctly, refs #993
22:01 < E_mE> in settings.xml, can i use %my.name.space.value% in another setting rule?
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22:42 < impl> E_mE: You should be able to, yeah, as long as you have a <setting name="my.name.space.value">
22:42 < E_mE> does it need to be declare before hand?
22:42 < impl> I think they're parsed and then evaluated.
22:42 < impl> Pretty sure, anyway
22:42 < E_mE> oh, it didnt work for me :(
22:42 < E_mE> but im using 0.11.x 
22:43 < E_mE> its for other project
22:43 < E_mE> not big problem really..
22:44 < impl> hmm, dunno
22:46 < E_mE> thanks for respond impl :) .. how you feeling about obama then?
22:48 < impl> Dunno, we'll see
22:48 < impl> I don't care for a lot of his policies
22:48 < impl> But he deserves an honest chance, so I'll let him go at it for a while
22:49 < E_mE> what about the ones that he thinks that the poor get better oppertunities with healthcare etc?
22:49 < impl> I don't like socialized welfare.
22:49 < E_mE> and the reversal of drug price fixing etc
22:49 < E_mE> why not impl ?
22:49 < E_mE> we have it in the UK
22:50 < impl> I prefer a much more hands-off government
22:50 < E_mE> and it works
22:50  * impl is borderline anarchist, fwiw
22:50 < E_mE> you may end up on waiting lists, but least yuo dont die if you dont have the money
22:50 < impl> heh, you don't die here either :P
22:50 < E_mE> ahh so equal distrabustion of wealth ;)
22:50 < impl> There are freak cases where things fuck up pretty badly
22:51 < impl> But in general, people don't die because they don't have insurance or something
22:51 < E_mE> ????
22:51 < impl> ah there was one just recently
22:52 < impl> I can't remember it now
22:52 < E_mE> impl: well i guess anything is better then tossy GW Bush
22:52 < impl> It's nice to have a president who can finish a sentence without sounding like a moron, yeah.
22:52 < E_mE> hehe, and is not in the pockets of huge business as well
22:52 < impl> Well, that we don't know... yet :P
22:53 < E_mE> thats what im liking more about Obama, is hes not a big oil or weapons tycoon etc
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22:54 < impl> anyway, we'll see what happens
22:54 < E_mE> impl: also the lovely u-turn on environmental policy
22:55 < impl> I'm not going to put my head in my ass and say he's going to fuck up, but I'm not going to give him more credit than he deserves right now either
22:55 < E_mE> ja, afterall he is a poltican hehe
22:55 < impl> yeah, exactly :P
22:55 < E_mE> :)
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01:34 < _cheerios> naps which have you wake up at 03am ... o_O
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06:36 < digitarald> Huomenta
06:40 < v-dogg> huomenta
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08:33 < liutis> huomenta
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08:52 < _cheerios> huomenta
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10:01 < CIA-10> david * r3617 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/date/AgaviCalendar.class.php): Fix #996: AgaviCalendar::setTimeInMillis() doesn't explicitly cast value to float
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10:06 < E_mE> v-dogg: you about?
10:06 < v-dogg> hai
10:07 < E_mE> hope all is well...  ive got eclipse on this machine since emacs is giving me few little probelsm with the # character.. but i remember you mentioned something about Eclipse PDT encoding problems?
10:08 < E_mE> can you jsut refresh me quickly or link to something?
10:09 < v-dogg> hmm.. I haven't had any problems anymore. it must have been solved or something
10:09 < E_mE> ok, can i set the default encoding for PDT?
10:09 < v-dogg> if I recall correctly it was just some files being opened with wrong encoding
10:09 < E_mE> ja i think i get that
10:09 < E_mE> i keeps opening up in macroman
10:09 < E_mE> it*
10:10 < E_mE> and russian chars are like a-b-g-q-h-a etc
10:10 < v-dogg> default encoding is somewhere in the editor preferences or somewhere
10:10 < E_mE> ok cool :)
10:10 < v-dogg> and then you have per project settings too
10:10 < E_mE> thank you
10:10 < E_mE> ah..
10:11 < E_mE> yes found it now that you;ve said that :)
10:11 < E_mE> v-dogg: do you ever find that PDT throws exceptions and can be little slow at times
10:14 < v-dogg> no, not really 
10:14 < v-dogg> actually, I think it works pretty well
10:15 < Wombert> netbeans >>>>>>> eclipse
10:15 < Seldaek> neveeer
10:15 < Wombert> yes
10:16 < v-dogg> why?
10:16 < Seldaek> if the UI didn't have that clunky java feeling to it.. maybe it would be nice, but I still miss some features (and no I don't remember which but I know it annoyed me very quickly)
10:16 < CIA-10> david * r3618 /branches/1.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): merge [3617/branches/0.11], refs #996 and #991
10:17 < Seldaek> other than that I agree it has nice stuff, too bad we can't have the best of both
10:29 < E_mE> Wombert: netbeans sorry??
10:29 < Wombert> ...
10:29 < Wombert> use google
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10:30 < graste> netbeans ftw
10:30 < E_mE> downloading now
10:32 < graste> :)
10:33 < graste> in latest versions/nightlies they built some nice stuff
10:33 < E_mE> is it possible with mod_rewrite, that after a rule has successfully be executed and the url modified, that i no longer processes any further rules, i had a good look for a few hours yday with little luck
10:33 < E_mE> graste: if it doesnt mess me about ill just be happy ;)
10:33 < graste> phpunit support, better code completion etc
10:33 < E_mE> and can put sensible syntax highlighting hehe
10:33 < E_mE> memory usage?
10:33 < E_mE> i hope that is better, eclipse is like the fattest of pigs when it comes to memory
10:34 < graste> yeah, supports everything like html/css/javascript with api help etc
10:34 < graste> if you first try it and are used to eclipse you can change keyboard layout to eclipse in options
10:34 < graste> probably easier then :>
10:35 < E_mE> im a emacs man my self, but # key has been causing me problems
10:35 < E_mE> as Alt is the meta key in emacs
10:35 < E_mE> and # is Alt+3
10:35 < graste> don't use emacs
10:35 < graste> i'm using vi if i have to :p
10:35  * E_mE stares at graste 
10:35 < graste> ^^
10:35 < E_mE> ;)
10:35 < graste> http://xkcd.com/378/
10:35 < graste> =)
10:37 < E_mE> heheheheh :)
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10:37 < E_mE> see emacs does it all, even butterfly manipulation
10:37 < graste> :)
10:37 < graste> xkcd probably has some other comics about it ;)
10:40 < E_mE> graste: do i need to start new project and import im guess?
10:43 < E_mE> dont worry .. its intutive software :)
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11:17 < CIA-10> david * r3619 /branches/1.0/samples/app/config/settings.xml: cleanup: disable logging by default in sample app, refs #998
11:18 < CIA-10> david * r3620 /branches/1.0/samples/ (11 files in 7 dirs): sample app improved: ProductFinderModel and ProductModel, tests and templates and actions are adjusted, refs #998
11:24 < CIA-10> david * r3621 /branches/1.0/samples/ (20 files in 7 dirs): sample app improved: changed $template to $t and renamed attribute "title" to "_title"
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14:03 < E_mE> is it fesible to downgrade from 1.0 to 0.11? would just be xml namespace changes etc?
14:05 < v-dogg> prolly but why would you want to?
14:11 < Rick> development to production switch?
14:13 < v-dogg> you mean someone would have different agavi versions on dev and production environments?
14:13 < v-dogg> that would be... quite silly :)
14:13 < Rick> maybe the company mandated after they found out they were using a beta version of agavi and that they should use stable?
14:13 < Rick> :p
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14:21 < MrJeep> good morning
14:22 < MrJeep> the Tidy filter... this is basically just a html "beautifier" ?
14:24 < MrJeep> so someone who "view source" will say "zomg that's beautiful" ?
14:28 < v-dogg> tidy filter can clean up the markup for, say, FPF
14:29 < Wombert> ...
14:29 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_Tidy
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14:32 < MrJeep> Well, as usual, wikipedia is the answer. However, I like chatting ...
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14:34 < MrJeep> anyway, is this extension on most of php packages ?
14:34 < MrJeep> my little mamp does not provide it
14:36 < _cheerios> you need libtidy, and compile sources --with-tidy
14:37 < MrJeep> do you think most hosts do ?
14:37 < _cheerios> shrug. i don't do hosts.
14:38 < MrJeep> :S
14:43 < v-dogg> my guess is it's not common on shared hosts
14:43 < v-dogg> especially if you are dealing with a host that refuses to upgrade from PHP 5.1.* :p
14:46 < MrJeep> haha yeah you're right, there is a good chance it could be a problem ! :P
14:46 < MrJeep> by the way
14:47 < MrJeep> the finally agreed to upgrade
14:47 < MrJeep> they said, We're not upgrading since php 5.2 is relatively new
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14:47 < MrJeep> I didn't know the date so I googled it
14:47 < MrJeep> seems like php 5.2 was release something like 3 years ago
14:48 < MrJeep> I was like... "oh sh1t" they are really behind
14:49 < MrJeep> but hey.. who am-I to judge a hosting company that offer 1 mb disk space, additionnal Mb at 0.5$...
14:49 < v-dogg> Version 5.2.0 02-Nov-2006
14:50 < v-dogg> yup, relatively new... 
14:50 < Seldaek> you can get "decent" (I mean up to date) hosting for a few bucks a month really
14:51 < v-dogg> yep
14:51 < Seldaek> if you choose to suffer your host well.. that's your own fault I'd say :)
14:53 < MrJeep> well, guess what. We went for the most un-affordable hosting company
14:53 < MrJeep> but it was not our decision
14:53 < MrJeep> the client wanted absolutely to go there
14:54 < MrJeep> as long as I have the right php version...
14:55 < Seldaek> well it's your fucking job to choose a host 
14:55 < Seldaek> if they think they know better they should do the damn site themselves
14:56 < MrJeep> well, their choices was kind of limited...
14:56 < MrJeep> 3 company here in town
14:57 < MrJeep> and they wanted to host it in a company in town... absolutely
14:57 < MrJeep> The first one have obvioulsy retarded plans
14:57 < MrJeep> Second one is perfect
14:58 < MrJeep> Third one does not have what I need in terms of php version (however, the tech guy told me they had it)
14:58 < MrJeep> but My guess is he does not know the difference between php 5.2 and 5.1
14:58 < MrJeep> possiblity php 5 and 4
14:59 < MrJeep> I guess I could have asked if they had php 8 and he would have saidyes
14:59 < MrJeep> anyway
14:59 < MrJeep> so we eliminate the third one
14:59 < MrJeep> the second one, they heard bad thing about hit
14:59 < MrJeep> that is completely untrue
14:59 < MrJeep> so it's goen
14:59 < MrJeep> so.. they go with the retarded hosting company
15:02 < E_mE> hmm downgrading form 1.0 to 0.11 is fairly difficult, for some reason agavi wont load my routing.xml
15:02 < E_mE> the routing table appears to just be empty :S
15:02 < v-dogg> E_mE: and tell use again why you are downgrading?
15:03 < E_mE> well i want to move the live site to the stable version
15:03 < E_mE> little edgy with the 1.0beta's at the moment
15:05 < E_mE> v-dogg: or do you recommend i manually upgrade everything from 1.0b2 upto 1.0b7
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15:07 < E_mE> if so v-dogg, do you know where the documentation covering the subject is?
15:07 < E_mE> for the xml namespace changes etc
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15:10 < MrJeep> hum
15:11 < MrJeep> I would simply look in the code_template
15:11 < MrJeep> and apply what's changed
15:11 < MrJeep> Ithink it will be mostly headers
15:11 < E_mE> well i need it excluding xsl
15:11 < MrJeep> and <parameter> to <ae:parameter>
15:12 < MrJeep> personnaly I would not downgrade to 0.11
15:12 < MrJeep> I see no reason to do, since 1.0 never blew up in my face
15:15 < E_mE> ok.. im gonna abandon that idea
15:15 < E_mE> but i need the documentation to upgrade without xsl
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15:16 < MrJeep> why don't you take an hour and simply update your xml config to b7 
15:16 < MrJeep> I won't take long with 2 editors side by side
15:17 < v-dogg> E_mE: why not xsl?
15:17 < E_mE> because the Redhat Server is so old i could make it crumble
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15:18 < E_mE> and i can't offord any downtime or broken parts of the server
15:19 < v-dogg> but surely you upgrade agavi in a development environment?
15:19 < E_mE> ja of course
15:19 < E_mE> but when i upload it to the server it needs xsl disable
15:19 < E_mE> d
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15:22 < v-dogg> "Phing is a popular project version-control system for PHP" 
15:22 < v-dogg> wtf?!
15:22 < E_mE> hehehe
15:22 < v-dogg> "It is a useful tool for organizing and maintaining different builds of your project."
15:22 < v-dogg> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/01/20/50-extremely-useful-php-tools/
15:22 < v-dogg> jackass...
15:22 < E_mE> v-dogg: is there a change log which highlights the changes i need to do?
15:24 < v-dogg> that list has some creapy shit :D
15:24 < v-dogg> *creepy
15:24 < v-dogg> PHP Object Generator for example
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15:25 < E_mE> who ever thought of that smegging page
15:26 < v-dogg> E_mE: yes, the changelog
15:26 < v-dogg> *THE* changelog
15:28 < E_mE> you spelt it correct first time v-dogg :)
15:30 < v-dogg> hmm.. I did?
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16:22 < Macen> <3 the words "output format"
16:22 < Macen> total innovation in 2 simple words
16:22 < Macen> web innovation*
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16:29 < E_mE> <a:configurations xmlns:a="http://agavi.org/agavi/config/global/envelope/1.0">   is that a typo?
16:29 < E_mE> since isnt it mean't to be ae: ??
16:30 < Wombert> it can be whatever:
16:30 < Wombert> it's just a prefix
16:31 < E_mE> ah ok
16:31 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_namespace
16:31 < E_mE> thank you
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16:42 < E_mE> so i'm guessing that ae: is global elements
16:42 < E_mE> which are used by a centralised configuration schema
16:42 < E_mE> so thats why configuration and parameters are prefixed with it?
16:42 < E_mE> am i correct?
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18:18 < _cheerios> jee
18:31 < _cheerios> mmm.. new php|arch mag
18:33 < _cheerios> actually, no. i got the decembers mag now, while i got januarys two weeks ago. okay...
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18:54 < CIA-11> david * r3624 /branches/1.0/samples/ (7 files in 5 dirs): moved product and product finder models to global scope, refs #998
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08:16 < _cheerios> huomenta
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09:18 < moritz> huomenta
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10:30 < CIA-10> david * r3625 /branches/1.0/samples/app/ (29 files in 17 dirs): sample app improvements: renamed SearchEngineSpam* to Products.Product.View* and added Products.Index, refs #998
10:38  * E_mE is starting to understand xml namespaces :D
10:38 < E_mE> Wombert: thanks for that wiki link that answered a few blind bats in my head :)
10:39 < Wombert> it's not about the prefi
10:39 < Wombert> only the URI counts
10:39 < Wombert> it would be pretty pointless otherwise because that's the point of namespaces
10:39 < Wombert> portability and interoperability
10:39 < Wombert> I can have an element "foo" from your namespace in my document, and an element "foo" from my namespace
10:39 < Wombert> and they don't clash
10:40 < Wombert> if namespaces were defined by prefixes, everyone would use "foo" or "lolcats" or something short
10:42 < E_mE> the URI first confused by the fact its a url, makes it appear to be a link
10:42 < E_mE> i also looked at xinclude which looks interesting
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10:46 < E_mE> mmm im getting error with this: http://pastie.org/367585   ... get this message: RELAX NG validation of configuration file "/Users/jeramy/Workspace/gasworld/app/lib/agavi/1.0b7/src/config/defaults/compile.xml" failed: 
10:46 < E_mE> RELAX NG validation with "/Users/jeramy/Workspace/gasworld/app/lib/agavi/1.0b7/src/config/rng/compile.rng" failed due to the following error: 
10:46 < E_mE> Line 2: Element configurations has wrong namespace: expecting http://agavi.org/agavi/config/global/envelope/1.0
10:53 < E_mE> i have the correct namespace from what i can see
10:57 < CIA-10> david * r3626 /branches/1.0/samples/app/templates/Master.php: master template cleanup
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11:01 < CIA-10> david * r3627 /branches/1.0/samples/ (app/templates/Master.php pub/modpub/): bai modpub
11:08 < E_mE> why is agavi telling me that the 1.0b7 default compile.xml file is not using hte correct namespace :S
11:08 < E_mE> RELAX NG validation of configuration file "/Users/jeramy/Workspace/gasworld/app/lib/agavi/1.0b7/src/config/defaults/compile.xml" 
11:14 < CIA-10> david * r3628 /branches/1.0/samples/app/templates/Master.php: Fixed locale identifier comparison
11:14 < E_mE> Wombert: sorry to disturb you, you got any insight in this
11:14 < CIA-10> david * r3629 /branches/1.0/samples/app/templates/Master.php: css cleanup
11:22 < CIA-10> david * r3630 /branches/1.0/samples/ (app/templates/Master.php pub/css/ pub/css/style.css pub/js/): more template cleanup, moved css to separate file
11:24 < CIA-10> david * r3631 /branches/1.0/samples/app/templates/Master.php: header div
11:30 < moritz> does the validation manager markup the form fields that failed validation, or the FormPopulationFilter?
11:31 < moritz> can the FormPopulationFilter run on GET as well?
11:33 < v-dogg> (1) FPF and (2) yes
11:34 < moritz> v-dogg: just add this to global filters next to write? <parameter>read</parameter>
11:34 < E_mE> v-dogg: am i be stupid not understanding why im getting that sodding RELAX NG validation error??
11:35 < v-dogg> moritz: yes, if you want it to run on every GET request. normally you don't
11:37 < v-dogg> moritz: $this->context->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', true, 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter'); if you want to enable population manually
11:40 < v-dogg> E_mE: what's the error?
11:40 < E_mE> E_mE: mmm im getting error with this: http://pastie.org/367585  ... get this message: RELAX NG validation of configuration file "/Users/jeramy/Workspace/gasworld/app/lib/agavi/1.0b7/src/config/defaults/compile.xml" failed:
11:40 < E_mE> [10:46] E_mE: RELAX NG validation with "/Users/jeramy/Workspace/gasworld/app/lib/agavi/1.0b7/src/config/rng/compile.rng" failed due to the following error:
11:40 < E_mE> [10:46] E_mE: Line 2: Element configurations has wrong namespace: expecting http://agavi.org/agavi/config/global/envelope/1.0
11:40 < E_mE> [10:53] E_mE: i have the correct namespace from what i can see
11:41 < E_mE> which indeed the default doesnt have the correct namespace
11:41 < E_mE> but i dont want to modify agavi core as its not something i expect is a problem :S
11:43 < v-dogg> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.0beta6/src/config/defaults/compile.xml
11:43 < v-dogg> that's without envelope namespace
11:44 < v-dogg> but your compile.xml has it
11:44 < v-dogg> this could be causing it
11:44 < Wombert> ewwww
11:44 < v-dogg>  beta6 link but it hasn't changed in beta7
11:44 < Wombert> indeed
11:47 < E_mE> oh so it is a problem?
11:48 < E_mE> well, i tried not using the namespace in my compile.xml
11:48 < E_mE> and the validation failed because of the RNG
11:48 < E_mE> v-dogg: Wombert ??
11:48 < Wombert> it's because you have xsl off
11:48 < Wombert> man
11:48 < Wombert> ...
11:48 < Wombert> be patient
11:48 < E_mE> eeek sorry dude
11:55 < Wombert> infinite loop is infinite
11:56 < E_mE> To say false is false is actually true =P
11:56 < v-dogg> voodoo, all voodoo I say
12:02 < CIA-10> david * r3632 /branches/1.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix #999: Default compile.xml and Sample app's Disabled module module.xml are still in old configuration format
12:02 < Wombert> there you go E_mE :)
12:02 < Wombert> thanks for spotting this
12:03 < E_mE> np :) thank you
12:06 < v-dogg> *cough* I spotted it! ;)
12:09 < E_mE> with my self v-dogg ;)
12:09 < E_mE> help*
12:16 < Fou4th> oh
12:16 < Fou4th> new pdt version just released
12:20 < Seldaek> v-dogg: if you're interested (I doubt it but whatever:) I built a more generic sql tracer that you can call by hand if you have a custom "ORM" (i.e. $this->pdoConnection->logger->log($sql))  http://pastie.org/367639
12:21  * Wombert pets v-dogg 
12:21 < Seldaek> the reported times are ocmpletely inaccurate but well I guess they'll still show if something is anormaly slow
12:23 < v-dogg> Seldaek: but but but hmm... you still need DebugPDO from Propel, right?
12:24 < Seldaek> no
12:24 < Seldaek> but as I said.. it's inaccurate :)
12:24 < Seldaek> query time is basically counting whatever happened between two queries
12:25 < Seldaek> and view time is everything between last query and filter execution
12:25 < Seldaek> but well, it's rough number that allow you to see if there is a major problem, which imo is the purpose of the thing
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14:22 < CIA-10> david * r3633 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/config/AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php): Fixed #1000: Infinite loop is infinite
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14:44 < CIA-10> dominik * r3634 /branches/1.0/test/tests/unit/translation/AgaviTranslationManagerTest.php: 
14:44 < CIA-10> update tests
14:44 < CIA-10> refs #962
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14:57 < E_mE> woop! i've successfully ported all the configuration files upto Beta 7 :D
15:01 < MrJeep> congrat!
15:02 < E_mE> 110 configuration file changes
15:02 < E_mE> manually performed MrJeep ;)
15:02 < MrJeep> :)
15:06 < v-dogg> I wonder if you could have used the xsl stylesheets to automate this
15:08 < CIA-10> david * r3635 /branches/1.0/samples/test/ (7 files in 4 dirs): fixed tests for sample app refactoring, refs #998
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15:13 < E_mE> v-dogg: well would of the configurations worked without XSL on the server?
15:13 < E_mE> has caching been ported to RNG?
15:14 < v-dogg> if you had use xsl to convert and then saved the result
15:14 < v-dogg> xsltproc oldconfig.xml stylesheet.xls > newconfig.xml
15:14 < E_mE> :S
15:15 < v-dogg> something like that
15:15 < E_mE> gosh
15:15 < _cheerios> lol, mention that in the upgrade guide for 0.11->1.0 :p
15:16 < E_mE> well, ive come out a better man doing this manually, because im aware of namespaces etc
15:16 < E_mE> where as before i was quite clueless
15:17 < v-dogg> _cheerios: have to verify it actually works first, I'm just guessing here :)
15:20 < E_mE> do the caching configuration files in modules/.../cache/files.xml not using the new namespaces yet?
15:20 < E_mE> XML Schema validation of configuration file "/Users/jeramy/Workspace/gasworld/app/modules/Gallery/cache/GetPage.xml" failed: XML Schema validation with "/Users/jeramy/Workspace/gasworld/app/lib/agavi/1.0b7/src/config/xsd/caching.xsd" failed due to the following error: 
15:20 < E_mE> Line 7: Element '{http://agavi.org/agavi/config/global/envelope/1.0}configurations': No matching global declaration available for the validation root.
15:21 < E_mE> let me try that magic command ;)
15:22 < E_mE> oh there is no XSL for caching xml
15:25 < E_mE> v-dogg: why has the caching XML not changed compared to most of the rest?
15:33 < Wombert> _cheerios: that is done on the fly
15:33 < Wombert> unless you have ext/xsl
15:33 < Wombert> there is E_mE 
15:33 < E_mE> oh i had to use: xmlns="http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config"  for the caching file
15:34 < v-dogg> heh, I tried converting .11 autoload to 1.0 with the xsl stylesheet... it works but the result is not that pretty :)
15:35 < Wombert> yes
15:35 < Wombert> those are not in beta 7
15:35 < Wombert> v-dogg: | xmltidy or so
15:35 < Wombert> I guess I could roll a beta8 today...
15:35 < v-dogg> yeah, could work
15:35 < v-dogg> \o/
15:35 < v-dogg> release partiiii
15:36 < Wombert> or more like | tidy - xml
15:36 < Wombert> or more like | tidy -xml
15:36 < Wombert> damnit
15:37 < v-dogg> didn't help
15:38 < v-dogg> every autoload element still has <ns13:autoload xmlns:ns13="http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/autoload/1.0" name="...
15:39 < v-dogg> i.e. every element has its own ns definition
15:40 < Wombert> :D
15:41 < v-dogg> there are kazillion configuration options though. one of them might clean that up
15:41 < v-dogg> for tidy, that is
15:48 < MrJeep> hu
15:48 < MrJeep> m
15:49 < MrJeep> i'm trying to do a simple thing with propel
15:49 < MrJeep> which is doing a simple select distinct()
15:50 < MrJeep> anyone has ever been able to do this ?
15:50 < MrJeep> I've found some example but they seems to be from a while ago
15:50 < MrJeep> and none are working
16:00 < Xylakant> MrJeep: did you try to do $criteria = new Criteria(); $criteria->setDistinct(); Peer::doSelect($criteria); =
16:00 < Xylakant> ?
16:00 < MrJeep> yeah
16:00 < MrJeep> I get a shitload of warnings like
16:00 < MrJeep> undefined index 1.... 2 3 and so on
16:00 < Xylakant> hmm
16:00 < MrJeep> then I added clearSelectStuff()
16:00 < MrJeep> still the same thing
16:01 < Xylakant> I'd say you'll have to file a bug :)
16:01 < MrJeep> :S
16:03 < CIA-10> david * r3636 /branches/1.0/samples/app/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed soap and text output, added list for text, refs #998
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16:15 < impl> OOOOOONEEE THOUSAAAAAAAAAND TICKETS
16:19  * Wombert stabs impl 
16:19 < Wombert> wathapen with this soap suff
16:19 < Wombert> you ruined something
16:19 < impl> wat soap stuff
16:19 < impl> I didn't touch the soap stuff
16:20 < v-dogg> yeah, real men don't wash
16:20 < MrJeep> that was quick on the trigger ...
16:22 < impl> :D
16:25 < MrJeep> impl, are you using propel or doctrine ?
16:25 < impl> MrJeep: I last used Propel, now I use SQL :>
16:26 < MrJeep> feeling limited with propel ?
16:29 < impl> Yeah
16:29 < Seldaek> I feel like my cpu is being raped when I load 100 classes to output one line of sql 
16:32 < v-dogg> &#"#¤(!/"!!!11!!
16:32 < v-dogg> stupid piece of shit zyxel NAS server and windows networking
16:35 < moritz> is this a me being an idiot error? Form Population Filter could not parse the document due to the following error: 
16:35 < moritz> Line 4621: xmlParseEntityRef: no name
16:36 < v-dogg> you have & somewhere in your output
16:37 < v-dogg> replace it with an entity &amp;
16:37 < moritz> ok, thanks
16:40 < MrJeep> impl : did you try propel ?
16:40 < MrJeep> err
16:40 < MrJeep> doctrine
16:48 < impl> MrJeep: I've never used it, no
16:48 < impl> If you pay me, I can learn it extensively in a week
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16:49 < Fastly> hey guys
16:51 < Wombert> ohai Fastly 
16:52 < Fastly> wassup David?
16:53 < Fastly> i've been crazy busy working on launching a new iPhone app. web dev got put on the back burner... it's looking good.
16:56 < Fastly> now i'm integrating a REST API
16:56 < moritz> I have some film titles that have & signs in them.  When I encode all the titles with htmlentities() titles like this: TÉMOIN INDÉSIRABLE will get messed up
16:56 < moritz> any quick fix?
16:56 < Xylakant> moritz
16:56 < moritz> yes
16:56 < Xylakant> htmlspecialchars()
16:57 < Xylakant> not entities
16:57 < moritz> ok I'll try that, thanks
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16:57 < Fastly> the last few web services i used were SOAP and the Facebook REST service, which included a nifty client
16:58 < Fastly> i'm trying to work out if cURL is tool for the job, or some other client such as Zend_Rest
16:58 < moritz> Xylakant: worked like a charm! thanks
16:58 < impl> I don't know how Zend_Rest works, but REST is supposed to be simple enough that you can just use basic HTTP requests with it so I imagine curl would be fine
16:59 < Xylakant> moritz: you're welcome.
17:00 < Seldaek> Xylakant: heya, still no news on my testing thingy? :)
17:00 < Xylakant> no, sorry - been working like a dog the last few days
17:00 < Xylakant> somewhere along the lines of ~10 hours/day on the average. 
17:01 < Xylakant> and I can say that it's not going to be better until at least mid next week
17:01 < Seldaek> okay no worry, I'm just eager to get those tests up and running but if you can't you can't, another thing though, assuming you're responsible for that, would you mind switching to phpunit 4.3.0alpha3? 
17:01 < E_mE> hehehe apprently the Bush Adminstration had 2377 robot.txt block line, but since obama has got into power this has reduced to 2 lines 
17:01 < E_mE> hehehe thats a radical change: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7844280.stm
17:01 < CIA-10> david * r3637 /branches/1.0/samples/ (5 files in 4 dirs): sample app soap improvements: we now transfer complete objects, and have a getProduct() operation alongside listProducts(). refs #998
17:02 < Xylakant> well, changing the external should be possible :)
17:02 < Seldaek> yeah that's what I mean
17:02 < Xylakant> i'll either do that or talk someone into doing it.
17:02 < Seldaek> sebastian fixed something for windows tests running in separate threads so it would be nice
17:03 < Wombert> lemme do that real quick
17:03 < Xylakant> kk
17:03 < Wombert> also
17:03 < Wombert> people
17:03 < Seldaek> thanks
17:03 < Wombert> test ze sample app plz kthx
17:03 < Wombert> console and soap and web
17:03 < Wombert> kthx
17:03 < impl> E_mE: there were just text versions of identical documents that were indexed
17:03 < impl> E_mE: people really take that shit too far
17:04 < Seldaek> Wombert: test like run the test suite ?
17:04 < Seldaek> or use the sucker?
17:04 < Wombert> that too
17:04 < Wombert> :D
17:04 < Wombert> both
17:04 < impl> Now I have to email the BBC
17:04 < impl> and tell them that they are morons
17:05 < Seldaek> Wombert: why do you ask ? regression testing ?
17:06 < saracen> People were making blog posts about it, I wonder if thats BBCs source
17:06 < E_mE> impl: oh.. im surprised... 
17:06 < Xylakant> anyways, have a nice evening. I'll be cutting the day short here. at least once :)
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17:06 < Seldaek> Xylakant: any hint where I can have a look to see what happens with the FPF + test requests ? so *maybe* I can help solving it
17:06 < Seldaek> damn:p
17:07 < Seldaek> guess I'll have to crawl through the code
17:07 < saracen> impl: Don't email them. See them in person. That way, when you come to LONDON I can forcefully copulate with you.
17:09  * Wombert shudders
17:09 < Wombert> saracen: he's been there before
17:09 < Wombert> he said he hated the place
17:09 < Wombert> cause exit signs in the tube said "way out"
17:09 < Wombert> and that was stupid
17:09 < Wombert> and ruined it all
17:09 < saracen> I know. He kept bitching at me to go to the conference
17:09 < Wombert> or something
17:10 < impl> Thank you for your feedback
17:10 < impl> Comments about BBC News will be passed on to the appropriate area. 
17:10 < impl> idiots.
17:10 < saracen> impl: Great! Now we probably won't get any news for a week while they all sit down and rethink their lives
17:11 < impl> saracen: It wasn't a harsh email, I just told them that they were wrong
17:11 < saracen> They're BRITISH
17:11 < saracen> Which means they're sensitive
17:11 < impl> I don't care
17:11 < saracen> You Americans, you just don't understand our delicate feelings
17:11 < impl> maybe I should have told them to brush their teeth!?
17:12 < saracen> Maybe. But anyway, thanks for the reminder.
17:12 < saracen> brb.
17:17 < CIA-10> david * r3638 /branches/1.0/samples/ (3 files in 3 dirs): updated xmlrpc in sample app, refs #998
17:17 < Seldaek> wut
17:17 < Seldaek> did you add more xml namespace checks lately Wombert ?
17:18 < Wombert> Seldaek: more what?
17:18 < Seldaek> I just updated and got warnings on my rbac conf file
17:18 < Wombert> did you?
17:18 < Wombert> why
17:18 < Seldaek> I don't know :p
17:18 < Wombert> oh for empty roles?
17:18 < Wombert> or so?
17:18 < Seldaek> Line 19: Element '{http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/rbac_definitions/1.0}role': Missing child element(s). Expected is one of ( {http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/rbac_definitions/1.0}roles, {http://agavi.org/agavi/config/parts/rbac_definitions/1.0}permissions )
17:18 < Wombert> yes
17:18 < Seldaek> I suppose
17:19 < Wombert> I gotta look at that again
17:19 < Wombert> the same was in the tests
17:19 < impl> I don't think I changed that
17:19 < Wombert> impl changed that in the schema I think
17:19 < impl> behavior
17:19 < impl> did we have an RNG version of that?
17:19 < Wombert> no
17:19 < Seldaek> I do have a padawan role that's empty :)
17:20 < impl> I can fix that real quick
17:20 < impl> I probably just misinterpreted something
17:20 < Seldaek> would be nice
17:20 < Seldaek> otherwise I'll add a dummy permission but that'd be lame
17:21 < impl> yeah
17:21 < Seldaek> thanks for phpunit Wombert 
17:22 < Seldaek> ah no you didn't do it :p
17:23 < Wombert> not yet
17:23 < Seldaek> (and no it wasn't a mean joke I really thought I saw it in the update log :))
17:23 < CIA-10> impl * r3639 /branches/1.0/src/config/xsd/parts/rbac_definitions.xsd: Update rbac_definitions schema to be less restrictive about roles, refs #519
17:23 < impl> Seldaek: try that?
17:24 < Seldaek> thanks
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17:25 < Seldaek> (meaning it works:)
17:25 < impl> great :D
17:25 < CIA-10> david * r3640 /branches/1.0/src/vendor/: updated phpunit external to 3.4.0alpha3, refs #380
17:25 < Seldaek> hurray
17:26 < impl> I feel like I'm forgetting something
17:29 < Wombert> impl: you didn't
17:29 < Wombert> no need for CHANGELOG there
17:29 < impl> no, just, in general
17:29 < Wombert> it wasn't in a release
17:29 < impl> like I'm supposed to have a sammich in my hands
17:29 < impl> but for some reason I don't
17:30 < Wombert> is it a sammich, maybe?
17:30 < impl> except it's not :(
17:30 < Wombert> oh
17:30 < Wombert> :/
17:30 < impl> I'll just blame it on the coffee
17:37 < moritz> is there a sample xml file somewhere on how to use the AgaviDateTimeValidator?
17:38 < v-dogg> moritz: a small example here: http://blog.veikko.fi/post/68983308/agavi-tip-validation-gotchas
17:39 < v-dogg> the code comments are helpfull, too
17:40 < moritz> does the AgaviDateTimeValidator have to have 3 form fiels, one for year one for month and one for day? Or can it be configured to validate a date from a single string
17:40 < moritz> v-dogg: yeah your page has been really helpful already
17:40 < v-dogg> it can. read the comments from the source
17:40 < moritz> ok
17:41 < moritz> oh yeah I see
17:41 < v-dogg> or http://www.agavi.org/apidocs/
17:41 < v-dogg> (select "agavi" package from top right corner)
17:42 < v-dogg> (and hassle Wombert to fix the default package)
17:42 < impl> he already fixed it
17:42 < impl> it just hasn't been updated yet :D
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18:06 < MrJeep> impl, do you have an example of model you could show me ?
18:06 < impl> MrJeep: the tutorial app uses SQL-based models
18:06 < MrJeep> hopefully a somewhat-complex one
18:06 < impl> sec
18:07 < MrJeep> ty
18:07 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/documentation/trunk/stages/stage3/app/modules/Admin/models/PostsModel.class.php
18:08 < MrJeep> i see
18:08 < impl> it's pretty straightforward, really. :P
18:08 < MrJeep> I'll have a project using complex queries and I doubt propel will be able to do those query
18:09 < MrJeep> honestly, I was hoping for somethine a little more complex :P
18:09 < MrJeep> like getters sand setters and so one
18:09 < MrJeep> on*
18:09 < MrJeep> it's easy to apply I think
18:09 < v-dogg> haha, good comment there: "This code would be five times shorter if we used an ORM"
18:09 < v-dogg> :p
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18:10 < v-dogg> MrJeep: just mix propel/whateverorm and sql
18:10 < v-dogg> orms are for simple things, imo
18:10 < v-dogg> at least I don't even bother to figure out how to make complex queries with propel's criteria if I can do it in 5 secs with raw sql
18:11 < MrJeep> yeah, as soon as you must get out of the box you're kinda screwed
18:11 < impl> Not to mention Propel can't do stuff like call stored procs
18:11 < v-dogg> but stufff like $post = PostPeer::retrieveByPk($id); $post->fromArray($newData); $post->save()
18:11 < v-dogg> nice & simple
18:12 < MrJeep> but create a sql query where you must get teh distance between 2 points in km
18:12 < MrJeep> ... quite another thing
18:12 < v-dogg> there is no silver bullet
18:13 < MrJeep> :S
18:13 < MrJeep> but I'm having problem with propel whenever I want to use ... a new field
18:13 < MrJeep> i men
18:13 < v-dogg> but why let it bother you? why not use the easiest tool for the job?
18:13 < MrJeep> mean*
18:13 < impl> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/static/earthdistance.html
18:13 < impl> :>>>
18:13 < MrJeep> (something + something) as NewField 
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18:51 < Wombert> Seldaek: 
18:51 < Wombert> simple
18:52 < Wombert> li[not(ancestor::li)]
18:52 < Wombert> :)
19:00 < Seldaek> Wombert: haha my gf comes to me with my phone saying "wtf?" 
19:01 < Wombert> loool
19:01 < Wombert> :>
19:01 < Wombert> srsly dude
19:01 < Wombert> you should stop her from reading your text messages
19:01 < Wombert> or emails
19:01 < Wombert> or letters
19:01 < Seldaek> well I get one every 5months or so
19:01 < Wombert> it's gonna end in a bad way some day
19:01 < Seldaek> that's not from her that is
19:01 < Wombert> tell her I'm a sick convict and it's my way of stalking you
19:02 < Seldaek> and usually she doesn't, it's just that I gave her the phone because it's gonna ring when the food is ready :p
19:02 < Wombert> aha, so she's making sure
19:02 < Seldaek> anyway thanks but I'm not even sure that works since we needed to select the sub-li's after that
19:02 < Seldaek> basically transforming a ul/li into wiki syntax was the goal, but it seems the js xsl engine he used is buggy 
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19:13 < _cheerios> ah. best time of the day. getting home, and spending time on my pet project (agavi powered naturally).
19:14 < v-dogg> me too!
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19:15 < v-dogg> but I have beer too \o/
19:21 < Wombert> a friendly reminder to everyone
19:21 < _cheerios> wow. lost season5 opener seems to have quite the crowd on mininova. i've missed a season or two by now. hmm.
19:21 < Wombert> a new episode of LOST is out
19:21 < Wombert> hah!
19:21 < Wombert> man I gotta leave ze office
19:21 < Wombert> and head home
19:21 < _cheerios> ^^ :)
19:21 < Wombert> and watch
19:21 < Wombert> and eat
19:21 < Wombert> and sleep
19:21 < Wombert> :S
19:21 < _cheerios> that good, huh?
19:22 < Seldaek> Wombert: two actually
19:22 < _cheerios> season4 ending must've been a cliffhanger
19:23 < Wombert> nowai Seldaek 
19:23 < Wombert> double episode?
19:23 < Wombert> HOLY FUCK I MUST FINISH THIS
19:23  * Wombert stabs xsl
19:24 < Seldaek> yeah double premiere :)
19:25 < Seldaek> they didn't beat 24's 4 eps premiere though
19:26 < Wombert> they always do this actually
19:26 < Wombert> and every time it feels like christmas
19:26 < Seldaek> :p
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20:20 < CIA-10> david * r3641 /branches/1.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
20:20 < CIA-10> Completed support for multiple SOAP services in the same application, closes
20:20 < CIA-10> #1001. You can now even define types inside configuration elements AND inside
20:20 < CIA-10> configuration, they will be merged (great for re-use). Same goes for messages,
20:20 < CIA-10> but those don't have to be defined by hand very often. You can also set
20:20 < CIA-10> targetNamespace for each service individually on configuration elements. Enjoy.
20:22 < CIA-10> david * r3642 /branches/1.0/samples/test/tests/fragment/Products/Product/ViewSuccessViewTest.php: fixed tests for json (removed at the moment), refs #998"
20:23 < Wombert> :>
20:23 < Wombert> productive day was productive
20:23 < Wombert> well, I hunted down bugs for too long, but still
20:24 < Wombert> now
20:24 < Wombert> bai
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21:14 < Wombert> nom
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21:20 < Seldaek> lost 1 was.. average
21:20 < Seldaek> fucking mess 
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22:12 < CIA-10> dominik * r3643 /branches/1.0/src/translation/AgaviTranslationManager.class.php: 
22:12 < CIA-10> determine the correct timezone offset for datetime objects with custom offsets in php versions < 5.3 in AgaviTranslationManager::createCalendar()
22:12 < CIA-10> refs #957
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07:26 < Fastly> hey guys, does agavi enforce that every parameter must be validated now?
07:28 < Fastly> $rd->getParameter('foo') wont return any data in an action's executeWrite method...
07:28 < Fastly> i just upgraded to beta 7
07:30 < v-dogg> that is the default validation mode for new projects created with 1.0 but upgrading does not touch your existing configs
07:32 < Rick> yeah and enforcing such behavior would go against the agavi way, probably ;p
07:35 < Fastly> thanks.. this is weird. 
07:35 < Fastly> 		$test = $rd->getParameter('test');
07:35 < Fastly> 		$this->setAttribute('test', $test);
07:37 < v-dogg> are you sure you are not using strict validation mode? have you switched to production environment recently?
07:37 < v-dogg> pre-beta6 versions had "conditional" mode as the default for dev environment but "strict" for production
07:37 < Fastly> fairly recently
07:38 < v-dogg> check your factories.xml 
07:38 < Fastly> ah ha... 
07:39 < Fastly> think i got it
07:39 < Fastly> i tried installing adt earlier and then commented out the dev part of factories by accident
07:39 < Fastly> leaving strict
07:39 < Fastly> think you got it, more like ;-)
07:40 < Fastly> thanks
07:40 < v-dogg> no problem. we aim to please
07:40 < v-dogg> but when you said you "tried" installing ADT do you mean it wasn't succesfull
07:42 < Fastly> i'm using doctrine and didn't have time to remove all the propel stuff
07:42 < Fastly> will have another look shortly
07:43 < v-dogg> the only "propel stuff" there is is an optional datasource
07:43 < v-dogg> which reminds me, need to commit the doctrine logger
07:44 < v-dogg> so stay tuned, "doctrine stuff" coming your way (soon, don't know when :)
07:45 < Fastly> great stuff!!
07:46  * Fastly gargles disinfectant
07:47 < Fastly> now on to finishing off the auth on this web service integration. good to be moving forwards again :-)
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08:10 < _cheerios> huomenta
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10:32 < Xylakant> huomenta
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11:53 < E_mE> im attempting to perform caching on a slot, but ive got CSS which is added in my view
11:53 < E_mE> how can i cache this css inclusion
11:53 < E_mE> do i need to cache the master template somehow
11:55 < _cheerios> why not keep all css in a single file loaded in the decorator?
11:55 < E_mE> because i load different css depending on what page it is
11:55 < E_mE> so for gallery i load gallery.css
11:57 < E_mE> is it possible to cache the decorator?
12:00 < v-dogg> it's possible to cache request attributes (I assume you use them to load the css in the master template)
12:00 < v-dogg> or how do you do it?
12:09 < E_mE> ja im using request attributes
12:09 < E_mE> v-dogg: im guessing its: <template_variable source="request_parameter"> ?? or so
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12:18 < v-dogg> E_mE: <request_attribute>css</request_attribute>
12:23 < E_mE> ah thank you v-dogg 
12:23 < E_mE> :D
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13:01 < E_mE> v-dogg: do i put those request_attribute elements in my action's caching xml file?
13:01 < E_mE> or a different one?
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13:13 < E_mE> im using a filter to insert the CSS, the filter reads the reuqest attributes
13:13 < E_mE> it appears the cache isn't putting the css into  the request attribute
13:13 < E_mE> i am using a namespace
13:14 < E_mE> such as setAttribute('deps', ..., 'css');
13:14 < E_mE> is there a special circumstance i need to do for my caching elements?
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13:17 < E_mE> ah it has a namespace attribute..
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13:21 < E_mE> is there any conidations i need to take when doing cache's for slots which i load via a view
13:21 < E_mE> so for example ive got a tab list, which is a slot
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13:36 < Seldaek> so.. is there a way to have the filters initialized before the user is started up ?
13:37 < Seldaek> hm actually I could lazy-load stuff in the user class rather than doing it at startup time
13:38 < Seldaek> it would solve this at the same time I think
13:48 < MrJeep> morning
13:48 < MrJeep> anyone here's on Doctrine ?
13:49 < MrJeep> I think it would be better suited than propel for a project
13:50 < v-dogg> Fastly, mikeseth and digitarald come to mind
13:50 < v-dogg> oh and _cheerios 
13:51 < MrJeep> oh yeah mike
13:51 < MrJeep> how can I have forgot this
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13:52 < _cheerios> regex-noob-q: in a string of "[1,[2]]" -- how do i skip past the first comma, to match everything after [1,[?
13:55 < MrJeep> ->   /\[1,(.*?)/ ?
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14:02 < horros> Everything has b0rked :(
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14:25 < Seldaek> _cheerios: substr($foo, strpos($foo, ',') + 1) ? 
14:41 < Fastly> yo!
14:41 < Fastly> I'm a doctrine convert... previously used propel
14:45 < shrink0r> ncie
14:45 < shrink0r> *nice, how was the switch?
14:46 < shrink0r> and do you have a doctrine yaml to propel schema parser impetto? :)
14:50 < Fastly> i didn't switch mid project... planned to move along with a major new version (complete rewrite!!)
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14:50 < Fastly> no need for yaml... doctrine models are generated directly from the existing database schema
14:52 < E_mE> interesting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7841486.stm
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15:05 < Wombert> Re
15:05 < Wombert> :>
15:05 < Wombert> on ze iPhone :>
15:05 < _cheerios> lol fanboi
15:06 < _cheerios> havent tried irc on mobile yet, hmm
15:06 < Wombert> This one is pretty cool
15:06 < Wombert> brb
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15:17 < Seldaek> Wombert: if I want to lazy-load user roles I've to do it in hasCredential right ? I mean that's the only entry point from the framework into the user auth ?
15:17 < Wombert> probably
15:18 < Seldaek> okay let's go with that :p
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15:24 < v-dogg> fanboyz :)
15:25 < v-dogg> I've irc'd (via ssh shell) with a mobile phone for years!
15:29 < Seldaek> huh weird, now it goes to SecureSuccess (which is not setup)
15:29 < Seldaek> ahh dammit
15:29 < Seldaek> nevermind
15:30 < Seldaek> so yeah it seems to work Wombert :p
15:30 < Seldaek> -1 query executed except on secure pages, sounds good
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16:49 < MrJeep> does anyone here thinks is a good idea to be able to search an ajax response (with selectors) without having to insert it to the dom ?
16:49 < MrJeep> like
16:50 < MrJeep> var el = ajaxResponse.getElement('#some-id span.some-class');
16:50 < MrJeep> el.inject(....
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17:16 < _cheerios> mmmm... friday
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19:04 < v-dogg> W-T-F
19:06 < MrJeep> w-h-a-t-?
19:06 < v-dogg> trying to use Zend (1.7.3) with Agavi
19:07 < v-dogg> but it's autoload fucks things up
19:07 < v-dogg> *its
19:08 < v-dogg> oh crap
19:09 < v-dogg> zend's autoload tries to load agavi classes too
19:09 < v-dogg> even if I register it as late as in the action...
19:09 < v-dogg> Warning: include_once(Admin\Users\SendNotificationsInputView.php) [function.include-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in D:\workspace\camilla.fi\libs\Zend\Loader.php on line 83
19:10 < v-dogg> fueeck
19:14 < Seldaek> lovely :)
19:26 < saracen> http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.loader.html
19:27 < saracen> I remember there being a way you can seperate libraries autoload function, using spl_autoload or something. But I can't remember how.
19:28 < saracen> but you can make your own autoloader function for zend, then make it specifically not touch your agavi classes I suppose ;x
19:28 < v-dogg> saracen: yeah, that'd be easy
19:29 < v-dogg> just load Zend_* classes
19:29 < v-dogg> include str_replace('_', '/', $classname) . '.php';
19:30 < v-dogg> something like that
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19:36 < kaos|work_> hahaha zend
19:37 < kaos|work_> as if an if(substr($class, 0, 4) === 'Zend') would be that hard ... :P
19:37 < v-dogg> yeah...
19:38 < kaos|work_> well, anyways, i need food
19:38 < kaos|work_> and need to leave the office ;)
19:39 < kaos|work_> bye :)
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20:19 < v-dogg> wife and kid sleeping, I have cold pizza and a cold Long Drink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_drink)
20:19 < v-dogg> and what am I doing? coding of course
20:19 < v-dogg> perfect friday night
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20:22 < graste1> ^^
20:23 < v-dogg> you too?-)
20:23 < v-dogg> we are a sad bunch :D
20:23 < graste1> my pizza's hot ^^
20:24 < v-dogg> snob
20:24 < graste1> and i've got no kid and my gf's not here atm :P
20:24 < v-dogg> lucky bastard 
20:24 < v-dogg> ;D
20:24 < graste1> <:
20:27  * Seldaek has no pizza
20:32 < CIA-56> impl * r3645 /branches/1.0/samples/app/modules/Default/views/Error404SuccessView.class.php: Fix the usage text for the console context, refs #998
20:37 < _cheerios> v-dogg, quite the same but not much work done!
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20:43 < _cheerios> bleh. 1k paid. new year, new bills. :|
20:49 < MrJeep> hey, I'm still working here
20:49 < MrJeep> ... weird timezone...
21:04 < graste1> :>
22:00 < _cheerios> i hate redoing code ive lost.
22:01 < _cheerios> i so remember doing this code a year ago in some test, but then a few harddrives later :|
22:02 < impl> :\
22:13 < aka-> :/
22:23 < v-dogg> :?
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22:25 < v-dogg> wombaart
22:28 < Wombert> wat hapen v-dogg 
22:28 < Wombert> :)
22:28 < v-dogg> can haz deadline
22:28 < v-dogg> last week
22:30 < Wombert> tentacle
22:30 < Wombert> deadlinewat?
22:30 < v-dogg> good thing the customer is my wife and can recompensate the penalties with loving hugs :)
22:30 < Wombert> haha
22:31 < v-dogg> is this camilla.fi testing thingy
22:31 < v-dogg> +it
22:31 < Wombert> I just had a gin and tonic, too
22:31 < Wombert> cheers buddy
22:31  * Wombert hugs
22:31 < v-dogg> _o/
22:34 < graste1> \o/
22:36 < v-dogg> goddamit. I need to refer to my own blog post to get my array validators sorted
22:36 < v-dogg> I never learn this :)
22:36 < graste1> <:
22:36 < graste1> reminds of including your examples into my never complete faq :p
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22:42 < Wombert> did you see the trick dependencies in the sample app?
22:42 < Wombert> I like them
22:42 < Wombert> :>
22:42 < Wombert> granted, we should allow stuffs like depends="!foo" etc, but that one works, too
22:42 < Wombert> (1.0)
22:42 < Wombert> (products.product.view)
22:42 < graste1> yeah, saw that
22:42 < graste1> :p
22:43 < graste1> i'm interested in client side javascript validation as well - but i think another hit to the server just to get validation results is not the best idea
22:43 < graste1> ^^
22:44 < Wombert> oh that's something else
22:44 < Wombert> yeah might not be
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22:45 < graste1> would like to see some generator for client side validation - as <input ... class="agavi-required agavi-minlen=5 agavi-validemail" ...> - couldn't FPF set these classes and some javascript cliebt lib just parses inputs and their classes to validate the values?
22:45 < graste1> perhaps dependencies and operator-validators become tricky with it 
22:46 < graste1> dunno
22:46 < graste1> ^^
22:47 < kaos|work_> but then you'd have to implement your custom validators in javascript as well
22:48 < kaos|work_> and there are cases where validators access the database or some other resource
22:48 < graste1> but only one time to have some equivalents for the agavi validators
22:48 < graste1> that's true
22:49 < graste1> but in these cases you either want that (and live with the server hit) or don't validate on client side
22:50 < graste1> i'm not thinking about client-side validation as some 100% equivalent, but more as a "remove unnecessary hits from server as users are too dumb to use my nicely build convenient and usable form"
22:51 < kaos|work_> yeah, but you would still need to implement pretty much the entire validation system in javascript again
22:52 < kaos|work_> thinking about  arrays for example
22:52 < graste1> not for the standard validators i'd say
22:52 < kaos|work_> and the operator validators you already mentioned
22:53 < kaos|work_> but if you'd go for the simple way and would only support the most simple stuff, it should be easily doable withhin a day or so
22:54 < graste1> hm, what about something like input1: class="agavi-pwd agavi-provides=validpwd"    input2: class="agavi-depends=validpwd "
22:55 < v-dogg> anyone got a simple createPassword method handy?-)
22:55 < v-dogg> 5-8 random chars
22:57 < graste1> hm :)
22:57 < kaos|work_> like in a-zA-Z or with special chars ? ;)
22:57 < v-dogg> a-zA-Z0-9
23:01 < kaos|work_> http://pastie.org/369219
23:01 < kaos|work_> untested ;)
23:01 < kaos|work_> err
23:01 < kaos|work_> now ;)
23:02 < impl> Hallo kaos :D
23:02 < kaos|work_> hallo herr impl
23:02 < kaos|work_> :>
23:03 < v-dogg> hah, thanks kaos|work_ 
23:40 < Wombert> laters
23:40 < Wombert> also
23:40 < Wombert> [23:54] graste1: hm, what about something like input1: class="agavi-pwd agavi-provides=validpwd"    input2: class="agavi-depends=validpwd "
23:40 < Wombert> eww
23:40 < Wombert> it really sounds like a basic client side validation framework is better here
23:41 < Wombert> to quite a great (albeit little) man
23:41 < Wombert> do, or do not. there is no try.
23:41 < Wombert> laterd
23:41 < Wombert> -d+s
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00:37 < Seldaek> graste1: I'd see the js thing more like FPFJS would inject a script tag after the form with $('#password').validate('pwd', {depends: blah, whatever})
00:38 < impl> Let's not take this too far into the 'zomg HTML helper' zone
00:38 < graste1> well, would be okay for me - I just don't like spreaded script tags throughout the html code :)
00:38 < impl> FPF is bad enough as is :>
00:39 < graste1> unobtrusive js with just 2 linked scripts at the bottom of a page should be enough for everyone (tm)
00:39 < graste1> :)
00:40 < graste1> fix it then, impl
00:40 < graste1> :>
00:40 < impl> I don't think it should exist. :P
00:40 < graste1> hehe
00:40 < Seldaek> impl: I'm not talking about changing FPF anyway
00:41 < Seldaek> it would be a separate filter 
00:41 < Seldaek> but I'll probably never have time to do it so don't worry :p
00:41 < impl> yeah, I know, but what you /really/ want is like a 'template filter'
00:41 < impl> not an application-level filter
00:41 < impl> that's what really bothers me about FPF, it's sooo in the wrong place
00:41 < impl> :<
00:42 < graste1> ?
00:43 < Seldaek> well that wasn't my point either impl 
00:43 < impl> see, FPF only ever applies when your output type is (X)HTML
00:43 < Seldaek> doesn't really matter where it sits 
00:43 < impl> Seldaek: I mean, the framework in general doesn't have any good place for functionality like this
00:43 < impl> It's not that it shouldn't have it at all, it's that it doesn't fit nicely
00:44 < Seldaek> mh yeah, well I don't really see the problem with having filters being set up on this or that output type
00:45 < impl> but they need to be structured and organized that way
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01:15 < Wombert> mmmhai
01:15 < horros> hai Wombie!
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05:39 < Rick> is there something magic you need to do to get the old xinclude+xpointer thing in output_types.xml to work?
05:48 < Rick> nm
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07:38 < Rick> hmmmm
07:38 < Rick> the latest svn repo seems to be generating invalid validator xml?
07:40 < Rick> http://www.privatepaste.com/9a6pwqZxDe/download
07:45 < Rick> not sure what is wrong
07:45 < Rick> but it's stopping me from working :(
07:45 < impl> mmm?
07:45 < impl> oh, ack, if no validators match
07:45 < impl> ?
07:46 < Rick> dunno, I put in some validators and it still throws that error
07:46 < impl> Show me what it looks like with validators defined?
07:46 < impl> that /definitely/ shouldn't be happening
07:47 < Rick> shouldn't be happening with no validators either imho
07:47 < Rick> one moment
07:47 < impl> yeah, I'm going to fix that right now
07:47 < impl> would just like to kill two birds with one stone if possible ;p
07:47 < Rick> ah
07:47 < Rick> one moment :)
07:48 < Rick> i'm in the process of converting an old 0.11 to 1.0 by rewriting everything to make sure it's for 1.0
07:48 < Rick> old 0.11 project rather
07:48 < impl> lol, okay :p
07:50 < Rick> http://www.privatepaste.com/7112gwzOAB/download
07:50 < Rick> not sure if that was rewritten correctly since its throwing the error
07:51 < impl> are you defining custom validators somewhere?
07:51 < Rick> no
07:51 < Rick> I do in another project that uses an older revision of 1.0 and that doesn't get this problem
07:51 < impl> XML Schema validation of configuration file "app/modules/Default/config/validators.xml" failed:
07:51 < impl> That's the file that's failing
07:51 < Rick> I thought it was a nested error
07:52 < Rick> eg, Validation of configuration file "app/modules/Default/config/validators.xml" failed:
07:52 < Rick> because
07:52 < Rick> XML Schema validation of configuration file "app/modules/Default/config/validators.xml" failed:
07:52 < Rick> because
07:52 < Rick> XML Schema validation with "agavi/1.0/src/config/xsd/validators.xsd" failed due to the following errors: 
07:52 < Rick> etc
07:52 < impl> nah, those are just telling you more information about the same thing
07:52 < Rick> oh
07:52 < Rick> hmmm
07:52 < Rick> well
07:52 < Rick> the default file was giving the error (as earlier linked paste)
07:52 < impl> but fixing, one sec
07:52 < Rick> which doesn't make sense
07:52 < Rick> thanks
07:54 < CIA-56> impl * r3646 /branches/1.0/src/config/xsd/parts/validators.xsd: Make <validator_definitions> and <validators> more flexible (can contain 0 or more children instead of 1 or more) for validators.xml, refs #519
07:54 < impl> Give that a go? :)
07:54 < Rick> yeah
07:54 < Rick> moment :)
07:54 < Rick> that fixed it
07:55 < Rick> now I get a sql error (havn't set up any of the database yet :)
07:55 < impl> awesome :D
07:55 < Rick> thanks for the quick fix
07:55 < impl> yup
07:56 < impl> I'm going to bed now, but if you need anything either PM me here or send me an email (noah.fontes@bitextender.com) and I'll fix it in 7-8 hours
07:56 < Rick> sure no problem
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09:19 < _cheerios> huomenta
09:41 < minima3> how can i get the dsn value from teh database.xml?
09:41 < minima3> agaviconfig::get ???
09:48 < _cheerios> i've used dom+xpath, but that's not very agavi-like :)
09:59 < minima3> could u post the code?
10:20 < _cheerios> minima3, http://pastie.org/369480
10:21 < _cheerios> for agavi 0.11, not sure if 1.0 would be much different
10:42 < _cheerios> http://a829.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/6/l_8bb5ed6f37b97585ef61a3e0a51c0ab4.jpg (h
10:42 < _cheerios> (what should i do when i find an atheist^)
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11:05 < v-dogg> huomenta
11:06 < Wombert> huomenta v-dogg 
11:07 < v-dogg> hai
11:08 < v-dogg> what up
11:32 < minima3> @_cheerios it don't works. I got the exeption: Trying to get property of an non-object!
11:33 < _cheerios> minima3, suit it to fit your XML. that means it didn't find anything with the xpath.
11:35 < minima3> i used the normal databases.xml from agavi ... only with my parameters, of course
11:36 < v-dogg> "normal databases.xml"? what database implementation do you use?
11:38 < minima3> the databases.xml file from the sample dir of agavi ... "AgaviPdoDatabase
11:38 < v-dogg> ok
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12:46 < Wombert> property?
12:46 < Wombert> non-object?
12:46 < Wombert> wat hapen
12:46  * Wombert yawns
12:54 < minima3> i don' know. I wanna get the database dsn value. but how?
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13:01 < Wombert> ???
13:01 < Wombert> database value?
13:01 < Wombert> what?
13:02 < minima3> the values out of the databases.xml
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13:08 < graste> huomenta
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13:31 < _cheerios> gowd. spending 5hrs on getting recursion right. i suck. :|
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13:34 < Seldaek> v-dogg: would there be a way to show the ADT log folded (at least for async requests) ? 
13:34 < Seldaek> because having one displayed for the actual page is fine, but then it spams like hell when I try to debug my async stuff :)
13:39 < Wombert> minima3: why / what for?
13:43 < minima3> to change the db-connection on development- and live-system
13:43 < minima3> to read teh different dsn and username and password
13:45 < Wombert> huh?
13:46 < Wombert> why don't you simply set up more than one connection?
13:46 < Wombert> I don't get it
13:46 < Wombert> what are you trying to do?
13:47 < Wombert> minima3?
13:47 < Wombert> do you need different database settings for development and production?
13:57 < minima3> yes ... the database-name on the livesystem is fix ... i can't change it
14:02 < Wombert> minima3: I don't understand
14:02 < Wombert> minima3: explain what you are doing
14:03 < Wombert> why don't you simply define different configurations for production and development?
14:03 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.0beta7/samples/app/config/databases.xml
14:05 < minima3> i do so. but to connect to the database, i have to get the different values .. for the pdo-call
14:05 < Wombert> ??????????????????
14:05 < Wombert> what the hell are you doing?
14:05 < Wombert> $context->getDatabaseConnection()
14:05 < Wombert> gives you the pdo conneciton?
14:05 < Wombert> wtf?
14:07 < Wombert> minima3?
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14:08 < minima3> sorry, i was blinded ... 
14:08 < minima3> i never had said anything
14:08 < minima3> :(
14:09 < Wombert> minima3: what did you think was the point of databases.xml :p
14:09  * Wombert shakes head
14:10 < minima3> yeah, u r right ... i don't know ... ;)
14:10 < Wombert> also
14:10 < Wombert> getDatabaseConnection('foo') gets a connection by name
14:10 < Wombert> getDatbaseManager() gives the database manager
14:11 < Wombert> where you can call getDatabase() or getDatabase('foo') to get a database adapter instance
14:11 < Wombert> which holds all the configured information
14:11 < minima3> if i don't fill the "name", he gives me the default, right?
14:11 < Wombert> and has getConnection()
14:11 < Wombert> yes
14:11 < minima3> thx
14:11 < Wombert> $context->getDatabaseConnection($name) is simply a shortcut for $context->getDatabaseManager()->getDatabase($name)->getConnection()
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14:34 < CIA-56> david * r3647 /branches/1.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed #1004: Marshalling of document/literal wrapped SOAP responses is broken
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16:01 < hZILLA> yo seriously you guys should setup an agavi developers resource so people who want agavi developers can pitch jobs
16:02 < hZILLA> might even be able to take 5% on it and make some money
16:03 < _cheerios> wombert has no interest in taking agavi mainstream. atleast not until 1.0 hits the streets.
16:03 < hZILLA> yeh but what about the money i want to spend on agavi developers?
16:04 < _cheerios> better ask him. there's plenty good stuff to be made around agavi, like that forge project which would really help.
16:04 < hZILLA> i mean i want to hire developers
16:04 < hZILLA> contract work
16:05 < _cheerios> i understood :)
16:05 < hZILLA> i feel like asking here is a bit of a no-no and i don't want to hit the user's list so...
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16:11 < Seldaek> hZILLA: do you have a lot of money ? :)
16:13 < graste> ^^
16:14 < Seldaek> the yen rose 30% against the swiss franc in the last 6months so that's good for him :p
16:20 < graste> I'd prefer a job with lots of sunny days a year, working from an optional hammock, cocktails and cool drinks inclusive (coffee is a must, too), working hours as I need them etc. pp. - oh and a small salary to keep me and my gf happy in our house at the beach, 30 days of holidays to visit friends not working at that lovely sandy beach house would be nice as well :D
16:21 < Seldaek> sounds decent :p
16:21 < graste> did I mention interesting projects yet?
16:21 < graste> =)
16:21 < Seldaek> okay NOW you are dreaming
16:21 < graste> :\
16:22 < graste> perhaps if I let go of the optional hammock?
16:22 < graste> ;)
16:22 < Seldaek> I mean the beach is possible if you manage to work 100% remotely
16:22 < Seldaek> but the projects you know, they always suck :p
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16:23 < graste> yeh - and they won't get any better by working remotely and never talking to customers and users from person to person, i'd guess :>
16:23 < graste> but, well, they could come and visit me for a meeting
16:23 < Seldaek> indeed :p
16:23 < graste> :>
16:24 < Seldaek> client meetings on some long chairs sound fine
16:24 < Seldaek> less tension :p
16:24 < graste> yep
16:25 < hZILLA> Seldaek - i would say its enough to be worth some interest
16:25 < Wombert> should we add <ae:parameter name="foo" type="int">123</ae:parameter>?
16:26 < Seldaek> don't really see the point
16:26 < Seldaek> it's freakin' php
16:26 < Wombert> nope
16:26 < Wombert> not always
16:26 < _cheerios> what's the current syntax for the type="X" ?
16:26 < Seldaek> but question, is it useful to have the ae: namespace?
16:26 < Wombert> e.g. what if you want a literal string "true"
16:26 < Seldaek> just say twue
16:26 < Seldaek> :)
16:26 < graste> -.-
16:27 < Wombert> or <ae:parameter name="bar" type="constant">PDO::FETCH_ASSOC
16:27 < Wombert> or even
16:27 < Wombert> <ae:parameter name="bar" type="constant">PDO::FETCH_ASSOC | PDO::FETCH_NUMERIC
16:27 < Seldaek> yeah.. well if you are convinced about the usefulness why do you ask ? :)
16:27 < graste> smells like recreating missing language features <:
16:27 < graste> but useful nonetheless
16:27 < _cheerios> SOAP fanboi needs more type juggling :)
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16:51 < asonge> so, how do i add another layer to every action?
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16:52 < asonge> well, add a layer to all the actions in a module
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17:04 < Wombert> asonge: make a layout
17:05 < asonge> i have a layout, and there's some parts of the layout that i want to come from other files
17:07 < impl> \o
17:08 < asonge> hello impl, quick guidance?
17:09 < impl> asonge: just add another <layer> tag into your output_types.xml
17:09 < impl> :p
17:10 < impl> ah no wait, I see what ze problem is
17:10 < impl> Each module has a BaseView in the lib directory
17:11 < impl> there you can add a new layer to your layout in say setupHtml()
17:11 < Wombert> make a layout
17:11 < Wombert> and load that
17:11 < Wombert> that's better
17:11 < CIA-56> dominik * r3648 /branches/dominik-routing/ (1056 files in 114 dirs): merge [3222:3647/branches/1.0]
17:12 < impl> yeah, you're right, that does work better :>
17:13 < asonge> okay, i'm still trying to get my bearings in agave in general
17:13 < asonge> what files do i need to touch?
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17:14 < Wombert> "Agavi", please
17:14 < asonge> sorry
17:14 < Wombert> output_types.xml
17:14 < Wombert> add a new layer where you want it
17:14 < Wombert> or make a new layout
17:14 < impl> Add a new layout to your output_types.xml, and then in setupHtml in the BaseView load the layout (it should already be loading one layout)
17:14 < Wombert> just a matter of copy/paste
17:14 < Wombert> :)
17:14 < impl> you just have to switch it to the new one
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17:28 < hZILLA> Tequila is made from agave
17:29 < hZILLA> that should be the name of the forge or something
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17:35 < impl> Tequili
17:35 < impl> :>>
17:37 < hZILLA> i liki
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17:45 < graste> haha, that would gave a nice rating system for things on the forge then: plata < oro < reposado < añejo < extra añejo
17:46 < graste> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tequila#Types_of_Tequila
17:47 < Wombert> the forge is called "Red Racer"
17:47 < Wombert> that's a snake from the mojave desert
17:47 < graste> damn :p
17:48  * graste googles for red racers
17:48 < Wombert> tequila was the name of a blog project veikko started
17:49 < Seldaek> the forge is a lie :)
17:49 < graste> wtf: "It is the fastest snake in the desert moving at up to 7mph and can reach up to 6 feet long with a slender, whiplike body."
17:49 < Wombert> see
17:49 < Wombert> awesome, huh
17:49 < graste> indeed
17:50 < Wombert> Chuckwalla is also the fattest lizard in ze mojave
17:50 < Wombert> also awesome
17:50 < Wombert> Agaves are also the most awesome plants around there
17:50 < Wombert> note the pattern?:)
17:50 < Seldaek> fattest ? :p
17:50 < Seldaek> dude you're awesomely fat
17:50 < Seldaek> doesn't sound right
17:50 < hZILLA> ok what about Mezcal?
17:51 < Seldaek> make it a calendar application
17:51 < hZILLA> :(
17:51 < graste> :D
17:51 < hZILLA> and "red worm"
17:52 < Seldaek> fishing site ? :p
17:52 < hZILLA> getting carried away now
17:53 < Wombert> nono
17:53 < Wombert> look
17:53 < Wombert> only awesome names get to be agavi projects
17:53 < Wombert> all the lizards in the mojave desert are suckers
17:53 < Wombert> except
17:53 < Wombert> chuckwalla
17:53 < graste> haha
17:53 < Wombert> because the name is a winner
17:53 < Wombert> same for the snakes
17:53 < Wombert> they're all boring
17:53 < Wombert> but Red Racer
17:53 < Wombert> that is too cool
17:54 < hZILLA> i think mescal is pretty cool for something else
17:54 < graste> getting hungover?
17:55 < hZILLA> hmm ok i'll get my coat
17:55 < graste> :o
17:57 < hZILLA> my new phone: http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/27/casios-8-1-megapixel-w63ca-with-480-x-800-pixel-oled-flips-out/ (^^)/
17:58 < graste> :o
17:59 < _cheerios> 22mm? well, you can feel that in your pocket atleast. looks awesome tho. nice specs.
18:00 < hZILLA> yeh pics are awesome. obviously not pro quality but just perfect for carrying around all the time
18:01 < graste> 9-point auto focus and anti-shake doesn't sound too bad for a phone ;)
18:02 < _cheerios> that hello kitty keyboard would be a hit at ze office
18:03 < hZILLA> can even watch tv on it
18:11 < _cheerios> hmm, that's kind of a bummer. i don't own a TV, but then these mobile makes keep putting on in the mobile! the future is black :|
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18:22 < MrJeep_> hi
18:23 < _cheerios> hZILLA, how much does that thing cost over there?
18:23 < MrJeep_> could someone who's using doctrine with agavi give me a little help to set it up ?
18:24 < MrJeep_> impl ?
18:27 < _cheerios> MrJeep, I use the same loaders as on the doctrine manual -- nothing special done w/regards to agavi, afair.
18:28 < Wombert> you don't even need loaders
18:28 < Wombert> put it into your include path, done
18:28 < Wombert> it's not difficult
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18:28 < Wombert> and impl never used doctrine, AFAIK
18:29 < MrJeep_> I must have confused him with someone else
18:30 < MrJeep_> So the database configuration for doctrine is almost identical to the usual pdo connection database ?
18:31 < hZILLA> _cheerios: with the current exchange rate about US$500 i think
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18:31 < hZILLA> but you pay ot over two years on your contract
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18:32 < _cheerios> hZILLA, ugh, I didn't get the iphone due contracts like that (+ it didn't come with the normal instant-new-phone when lost/broken insurance)
18:32 < hZILLA> yeh iphone deal is much worse
18:32 < Wombert> owwwww
18:32 < hZILLA> this has the replacement and warranty
18:33 < hZILLA> etc
18:33 < Wombert> VITTU
18:33 < _cheerios> Wombert ? :)
18:33 < Wombert> godfuckingdamnit
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18:36 < hZILLA> iphone here is about $800 :/
18:39 < Wombert> _cheerios: it's too depressing to explain
18:42 < impl> MrJeep_: I don't use Doctrine, never have and likely never will
18:42 < MrJeep_> sorry, I confused something
18:43 < impl> aye, just read that, no problem
18:45 < MrJeep_> I remember you told me you used to use propel but now you're using plain sql
18:45 < MrJeep_> I kind of confused propel with doctrine
18:51 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1005
18:51 < Wombert> feedback please
18:54 < _cheerios> works for those whom need it, the rest can keep opting out till such requirements
18:56  * Wombert pets his companion cube
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19:10 < CIA-56> dominik * r3649 /branches/1.0/test/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add tests which check that a routing callback receives encoded values which it can decode manually
19:14 < CIA-56> dominik * r3650 /branches/dominik-routing/ (5 files in 4 dirs): merged [3649/branches/1.0]
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19:26 < _cheerios> wth, something is eating the last two chars of my html before output :)
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19:43 < v-dogg> huomenta
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19:50 < DracoBlue> v-dogg did you removed the issuetracker link for ADT from the website at projectbin?
19:51 < DracoBlue> I am curious what page is correct, http://adt.veikko.fi/ or  http://adt.projectbin.org/ ?
19:51 < v-dogg> projectbin
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19:52 < v-dogg> gotta redirect from veikko.fi, thanks for pointing that out
19:52 < DracoBlue> :)
19:52 < DracoBlue> btw. kudos for the introduction on validators at your blog, nice read.
19:53 < v-dogg> thanks, good to hear it has been usefull
19:53 < v-dogg> makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside ;)
19:54  * impl stabs configuration in the face
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19:55 < v-dogg> you people are so violent nowadays!
19:55 < DracoBlue> lol
19:55  * v-dogg hands over some prozac
19:55 < v-dogg> double doze for impl 
19:56 < impl> :<
19:58 < v-dogg> ok. my nurse wife took away the prozac pills and handed diazepam for replacement
19:59 < v-dogg> seems that prozac is for depression but obviously you guys need sedatives to cool down
19:59 < v-dogg> triple doze for impl 
19:59 < impl> lawl
20:15 < graste1> <:
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20:17 < Fastly> greeting folks
20:20 < graste1> ah, a classic read already: "In the coarse language, calling Cake et al applications MVC is the same as calling rape a date."
20:22 < _cheerios> *g*
20:22 < graste1> reminds me of my first attempt to set a title in symfony - after searching around and battling myself I ended up setting the title in the action and felt bad... :)
20:26 < graste1> I read all this weird 'crazy guy' bashing things all over than, but couldn't find something fundamentally wrong with his opinions
20:26 < graste1> wel, it took me months before I had the time (at least some) to take a look at agavi :P
20:26 < graste1> +l
20:26 < _cheerios> goes to say some about the state of php frameworks. too damn complex :)
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20:27 < graste1> just stumpling upon this old blog post again makes me read it again now that I've seen agavi - and now I even recognize some nicks :D
20:31 < graste1> yeah, well, I tried rails and symfony and found them not that bad for a fast (web!) development, at times somewhat limiting , rails being to magically at times for me, symfony with some nice fast startup docs, etc pp. pros and cons everywhere
20:33 < _cheerios> im kinda kicking myself for not having used rails back in 2006 or so. it was just so ahead of everything else.
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20:35 < graste1> yep, it got much hype and deserves at least some of it :)
20:36 < graste1> but months after the first hype rails app coming up everywhere they were starting to have the same problems with XSS and co. as other frameworks ;)
20:36 < graste1> much people used fat actions with queries all over the place without even thinking about it abviously
20:37 < graste1> -a+o -.-
20:43 < _cheerios> gets stuff done fast. i forget that important point way often, by writing most stuff from scratch
20:44 < graste1> that's the main selling point
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20:45 < graste1> ...til you or the customer needs some changes - then it's pure luck and dependant on the wishes and their consequences of what and how much you've got to change
20:45 < graste1> and of course of how good ypou implemented it :)
20:47 < graste1> it's just too often that I find myself implementing things not in the way things should be because of some constraints I'm usually not in control of :x
20:47 < graste1> guess, that's how it goes :)
21:07 < _cheerios> i just wish i can ship faster than i've before to get stuff done rather than inventing the bicycle all the time :)
21:08 < _cheerios> and wtf is messing with my agavi output, something is eating my html :<
21:10 < graste1> :))))
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21:20 < _cheerios> probably something in 0.11.6, i can't remember messing with the output
21:27 < _cheerios> nope. seems to be my end. i do wonder what i have managed to do wrong this time.
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22:39 < _cheerios> yeps. one php file had an empty line at the bottom. that's all it took. :<
22:40 < asonge> _cheerios: between that and BOMs, php can be hell
22:49 < _cheerios> i've been bit by this before. need to make some cleanup script clearleh. was hard to find. :<
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04:26 < asonge> how do you define custom targets and such?
04:27 < impl> asonge: In the project build.xml?
04:27 < asonge> yeah
04:27 < impl> it's the exact same syntax as phing's (or pretty close to ant's, if you're familiar with that)
04:27 < impl> http://phing.info/docs/guide/current/
04:27 < asonge> no, i'm not familiar with it
04:27 < impl> take a look at agavi/src/build/build.xml for an example
04:28 < asonge> thanks
04:28 < impl> yup :D
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05:56 < v-dogg> huomenta
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08:48 < _cheerios> huomenta
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10:47 < _cheerios> http://picasaweb.google.com/cbaxter/Random#5295033916418104930 *g*
10:50 < _cheerios> http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/730353 (what cops do at night)
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11:03 < _cheerios> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=link%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fotamut.org&btnG=Search // google thinks i have bad vision or something
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11:15 < Seldaek> okay I'm doing that $this->getContext()->getRequest()->getRequestData()->getHeader('USER_AGENT')
11:15 < Seldaek> and getting Access to request data is locked during Action and View execution and while templates are rendered. Please use the local request data holder passed to your Action's or View's execute*() method to access request data.
11:16 < Seldaek> I fully understand the error that's not the issue but.. how the fuck can  I fix it (excepted by passing $rd around if possible)
11:17 < v-dogg> that's exactly what you should do (or well, not $rd perhaps but the data you need)
11:17 < v-dogg> it's User-Agent, btw
11:17 < Seldaek> is it
11:18 < v-dogg> yeah, like the original header before PHP tampers with the name
11:18 < Seldaek> well my getHeader('REFERER') works
11:19 < Seldaek> I think..
11:19 < v-dogg> hmm..
11:19 < Seldaek> anyway okay
11:19 < Seldaek> thanks, but in this case it's really not pretty to pass it around
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11:20 < v-dogg> do you have some couplings you shouldn't have?-)
11:20 < Seldaek> couplings?
11:21 < v-dogg> different parts of your software are coupled in a way they shouldn't be?
11:21 < Seldaek> about the headers btw, getHeader has this: 
11:22 < Seldaek> $name = str_replace('-', '_', strtoupper($name));
11:22 < v-dogg> ah
11:22 < v-dogg> so it's stored internally like PHP stores them but you can access them with "real names"
11:23 < v-dogg> good to know :)
11:23 < Seldaek> v-dogg: well, it's not really couplings, just my autologon cookie (set in the user class) that would like the user agent.. and since it's not always called from the login action, it was imo better to just have the getHeader in one place
11:23 < Seldaek> well it's "stored" from $_SERVER I guess, reparsing the entire headers each time sounds a bit pointless
11:24 < v-dogg> yeah, true
11:29 < Seldaek> good good, autologon cookie as a 192 chars hash
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12:05 < CIA-56> david * r3651 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/controller/AgaviSoapController.class.php): Fix #1006: AgaviSoapController does not handle some SoapServer/SoapClient options properly
12:06 < CIA-56> david * r3652 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/controller/AgaviSoapController.class.php): merge [3651/branches/0.11], refs #1006
12:15 < CIA-56> david * r3653 /branches/0.11/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Added AgaviResponse::hasContent(), closes #1007
12:16 < CIA-56> david * r3654 /branches/1.0/ (4 files in 2 dirs): merge [3653/branches/0.11], refs #1007
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12:28 < _cheerios> fuck. im so inventing the bicycle all the time, this time pagination via timestamps -- proved to take a few hrs due lovely edge cases.
12:28 < _cheerios> --> gym
13:23 < CIA-56> david * r3655 /branches/1.0/samples/ (5 files in 5 dirs): renamed products and added ID column in console output, refs #998
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13:39 < Fou4th> it looks like AgaviTranslationManager works incorrectly if AgaviTranslationManager::defaultTimeZone is "System/Localtime "
13:40 < Fou4th> "System/Localtime" i.e.
13:45 < Wombert> more details please
13:45 < Wombert> also, that's not a valid time zone identifier :p
13:46 < Fou4th> well, I'm trying to trace one fatal error
13:46 < Fou4th> maybe it's known already
13:46 < Fou4th> Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to AgaviCalendar::constructorOO() must be an instance of AgaviTimeZone, null given, called in /home/cancel/app/agavi/svn-1.0/src/date/AgaviGregorianCalendar.class.php on line 117 and defined in /home/cancel/app/agavi/svn-1.0/src/date/AgaviCalendar.class.php on line 83
13:46 < Wombert> did you svn up?
13:46 < Fou4th> most probably it occures when validating datetime
13:46 < Fou4th> yep
13:47 < Fou4th> I've found already that it incorrectly detects timezone
13:48 < Fou4th> date/AgaviGregorianCalendar.class.php:110
13:48 < Fou4th> sorry, 112
13:48 < Fou4th> line $zone = $this->translationManager->getDefaultTimeZone();
13:49 < Fou4th> $zone is assigned with null
13:49 < Wombert> Fou4th: do you have a moment to try the same thing on 0.11?
13:50 < Seldaek> Wombert: can I disable the X-Powered-By header and change the name of the Agavi cookie?
13:50 < Wombert> Seldaek: why :(
13:50 < Wombert> give us some love
13:50 < Seldaek> I don't really want to but I was wondering if I could.
13:50 < Wombert> of course :)
13:50 < Seldaek> easily I mean :p
13:50 < Fou4th> Wombert, I'll try
13:50 < Wombert> Seldaek: config
13:50 < Wombert> storage for the session name
13:50 < Wombert> session_name I gues
13:50 < Wombert> and web response
13:50 < Wombert> umm
13:51 < Wombert> expose_agavi, probably
13:51 < Seldaek> okay :p
13:51 < Seldaek> so I'll leave it for now :p
13:52 < Wombert> there's also expose_agavi_version, which takes expose_php ini settings
13:52 < Wombert> by default
13:56 < Fou4th> no, code does not work for 0.11.5
13:57 < Fou4th> also found that:
13:57 < Fou4th> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-php-maint/2008-November/004670.html
14:03 < Wombert> there's not much we can do there
14:03 < Wombert> there is no way to figure out the timezone in that case
14:04 < Fou4th> well, why date_default_timezone_get() returns that value?
14:04 < Fou4th> timezone is configured
14:04 < Fou4th> don't understand
14:04 < Wombert> does it return that?
14:05 < Wombert> have you checked?
14:05 < Wombert> what's set in your php.ini?
14:05 < Fou4th> yep
14:05 < Fou4th> noting
14:05 < Wombert> set something there :)
14:05 < Fou4th> date.timezone isn't set
14:05 < Wombert> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-php-maint/2008-November/004670.html
14:05 < Wombert> is debian
14:05 < Wombert> right?
14:05 < Wombert> are you using debian?
14:05 < Fou4th> yep
14:06 < Wombert> oh man
14:06 < Fou4th> I've reinstalled system yesterday
14:06 < Wombert> why the fuck do they patch php
14:06 < Fou4th> hard drive died
14:06 < Wombert> instead of contributing their nonsense to PHP
14:06 < Wombert> this is so bad
14:06 < Wombert> all the time, always only trouble with debian
14:06 < Fou4th> it's not to easy to contribute to PHP :)
14:07 < Fou4th> I don't know, it was working very well. The only troubles were on freebsd
14:07 < Fou4th> maybe I've missed something
14:07 < Fou4th> will check again
14:07 < Wombert> Fou4th: can you test something please
14:07 < Fou4th> from nackup
14:07 < Wombert> no wait
14:07 < Fou4th> sure
14:07 < Wombert> php -r "new DateTimeZone('System/Localtime');"
14:07 < Wombert> does that work?
14:08 < Wombert> php -r "var_dump(new DateTimeZone('System/Localtime'));"
14:08 < Wombert> what does that give you?
14:08 < Fou4th> object(DateTimeZone)#1 (0) {
14:08 < Fou4th> }
14:09 < Wombert> php -r '$dtz = new DateTimeZone("System/Localtime"); var_dump($dtz->getOffset(), $dtz->getName());'
14:09 < Wombert> and that, Fou4th?
14:10 < Fou4th> Warning: DateTimeZone::getOffset() expects exactly 1 parameter, 0 given in Command line code on line 1
14:10 < Fou4th> bool(false)
14:10 < Fou4th> string(16) "System/Localtime"
14:11 < Wombert> php -r '$dtz = new DateTimeZone("System/Localtime"); var_dump($dtz->getOffset(new DateTime()), $dtz->getName());'
14:11 < Fou4th> int(21600)
14:11 < Fou4th> string(16) "System/Localtime"
14:12 < Wombert> php -r '$dtz = new DateTimeZone("System/Localtime"); var_dump($dtz->getOffset(new DateTime("now", new DateTimeZone("UTC"))), $dtz->getName());'
14:12 < Wombert> ?
14:13 < Wombert> pokes Fou4th 
14:13 < Fou4th> int(21600)
14:13 < Fou4th> string(16) "System/Localtime"
14:13 < Fou4th> actual timezone is "Asia/Novosibirsk"
14:13 < Fou4th> last line is not a script output :)
14:14 < Wombert> :D
14:15 < Wombert> php -r '$dt = new DateTime(); var_dump($dt->getOffset());'
14:15 < Wombert> and that, Fou4th?
14:16 < Fou4th> int(21600)
14:16 < Wombert> php -r '$dt = new DateTime(); var_dump($dt->format("T"));'
14:16 < Wombert> Fou4th?
14:17 < Fou4th> string(4) "NOVT"
14:18 < Wombert> php -r '$dt = new DateTime(); var_dump($dt->format("e"));'
14:18 < Wombert> ?
14:18 < Wombert> Fou4th?
14:18 < Fou4th> string(16) "System/Localtime"
14:18 < Wombert> okay
14:18 < Wombert> php -r '$dt = new DateTime(); var_dump($dt->format("O P Z"));'
14:18 < Wombert> Fou4th?
14:19 < Fou4th> string(18) "+0600 +06:00 21600"
14:21 < Wombert> damn
14:21 < Wombert> the problem is
14:21 < Wombert> we can use the offset
14:21 < Wombert> +0600
14:21 < Wombert> but
14:21 < Wombert> once you start doing calculations
14:21 < Wombert> it'll use GMT+0600
14:21 < Wombert> and not Novosibirsk
14:21 < Fou4th> yep
14:21 < Wombert> and Novosibirk has daylight saving time info
14:21 < Fou4th> I've found that too
14:21 < Wombert> so results would be wrong
14:22 < Wombert> meeeeh
14:22 < Fou4th> it also returns something like 2009-01-25T20:21:42+00:00 for utc
14:22 < Fou4th> for format('c')
14:22 < Wombert> what the fuck were the debian idiots thinking, seriously
14:22 < Wombert> oh man
14:22 < Wombert> :/
14:23 < Wombert> what debian version is that, Fou4th?
14:24 < Fou4th> it's lenny/sid. php:5.2.6.dfsg.1-2
14:26 < Fou4th> but the same version was installed on previous system and worked fine
14:27 < Wombert> hm
14:27 < Wombert> probably $TZ set there or so
14:28 < Wombert> fucking morons
14:28 < Wombert> they don't even have a reporting interface
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14:29 < Fou4th> I didn't found TZ assignments
14:33 < Wombert> Fou4th: they say "discussd upstrea, but was not desired
14:33 < Wombert> seems like it's not part of the package?
14:33 < Wombert> the patch?
14:33 < Wombert> hmm
14:36 < graste> <:
14:36 < Wombert> Fou4th: did you apply that patch or something?
14:36 < Wombert> or is there a way to determine if it was applied to the debian package?
14:37 < Fou4th> ./debian/patches/use_embedded_timezonedb.patch
14:37 < Fou4th> use the system-provided timezonedb data instead of php's bundled data.
14:37 < Fou4th> patch by Joe Orton <jorton@redhat.com> Copyright © 2008 Red Hat, Inc.
14:37 < Fou4th> and may be used/redistributed/modified under the terms of the rest
14:37 < Fou4th> of the PHP source
14:37 < Wombert> is that applied by default?
14:37 < Fou4th> test
14:37 < Wombert> where can I get info on it?
14:37 < Fou4th> arghhh
14:38 < Fou4th> stupid network
14:39 < Fou4th> sorry
14:40 < Fou4th> just a sec
14:41 < Wombert> got it
14:41 < Fou4th> you can unpack this file http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/php5_5.2.6.dfsg.1-3.diff.gz
14:41 < Fou4th> and find patch there
14:41 < Wombert> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/php5/php5_5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1~lenny1/changelog
14:41 < Wombert> there it is
14:58 < Fou4th> also take a look at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=469532
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15:13 < graste> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/modules/Default/templates/Products/IndexSuccess.php#L4 two closing <th>
15:13 < graste> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/tests2/validator/ValidatorTest.php#L64 syntax error
15:17 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1008
15:17 < graste> btw Wombert or someone else - how do I get netbeans to give me syntax completion in config files based on XSDs? I added XML and schema plugin and tried to add XSDs using tools|XML validation/schema or whatever that menu entry was and I failed miserably <:
15:18 < graste> you sure it's only debian we're talking about? probably the other distros are patching things as well, or?
15:18 < Wombert> not only debian, true
15:18 < Wombert> but I dislike debian the most
15:18 < graste> this joe orton guy has a redhat email at least <:
15:18 < Wombert> :)
15:18 < graste> haha
15:18 < Wombert> it says so in the ticket ;)
15:18 < graste> I like debian :P
15:18 < Fou4th> debian rulezz
15:18 < Wombert> they're idiots
15:18 < Wombert> they have messed up PHP so many times
15:19 < graste> hehe, dunno :)
15:19 < Fou4th> on every linux OS PHP has something "special"
15:19 < Wombert> but it shouldn't
15:19 < graste> well :)
15:19 < kaos|work_> that's way anyone who is running a serious business is _not_ using the distributions packages ;)
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15:20 < Fou4th> whay is "serious business"?
15:20 < Fou4th> what*
15:21 < Fou4th> many users happy with rhel/centos
15:21 < kaos|work_> well, anyone who wants/needs some recent php version ? :)
15:21 < kaos|work_> or anyone who wants to handle high loads, since then it's almost inevitable to compile php yourself anyways
15:23 < graste> 'sufficiently "popular"' should be wordpress or something, I reckon =)
15:24 < Fou4th> serious business usually uses stable versions
15:24 < kaos|work_> there are surely many cases where one can resort to the distributions package
15:24 < Fou4th> not bleeding edge
15:24 < Wombert> Fou4th: kaos|work_ was just kidding
15:24 < Wombert> or teasing
15:24 < kaos|work_> more like teasing ;)
15:24 < Wombert> graste: they're not implementing their own date/time/timezone handling, AFAIK :p
15:25 < graste> poke them to do it :D
15:26 < Wombert> Fou4th: I believe the only way around this is setting a default timezone in php.ini or translation.xml
15:26 < Wombert> sorry
15:26 < graste> anyone has any hints for me regarding netbeans xml auto completion? would be soooo nice :)
15:26 < graste> +got
15:26 < CIA-56> david * r3657 /branches/1.0/samples/app/modules/Default/templates/Products/IndexSuccess.php: fix duplicate </th>, refs #998
15:27 < graste> according to the schema, that is
15:28 < Fou4th> Wombert, yep, I've done it already
15:28 < CIA-56> david * r3658 /branches/1.0/samples/pub/console.php: make console.php callable from anywhere
15:28 < Fou4th> but I still don't understand how it was working before
15:28 < Fou4th> there was absolutely identical system
15:28 < Fou4th> with the same packages set
15:28 < Wombert> sure there was no TZ env var?
15:28 < Fou4th> without TZ or something like set
15:28 < Wombert> weird
15:28 < Fou4th> yep
15:29 < Fou4th> though
15:29 < Fou4th> there was old version of /etc/localtime
15:29 < Fou4th> that didn't match anythng in the /usr/share/zoneinfo
15:30 < Fou4th> for some reasons it was not updated since 2007
15:32 < Wombert> lol :)
15:32 < Wombert> that stuff being up to date is their argument for including the patch
15:32 < Wombert> oh man
15:32  * Wombert shakes head
15:33 < graste> :))
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15:37 < Seldaek> how the hell do I get to the validatoin manager
15:37 < Seldaek> (from the view)
15:38 < Seldaek> I apparently need to get the execution container
15:38 < Seldaek> but where is that?
15:43 < graste> perhaps $vm = $this->container->getValidationManager();
15:43 < graste> untested
15:43 < Seldaek> ah the container is there
15:43 < Seldaek> maybe, will try later gotta go now but thanks
15:46 < Fou4th> what is more prederred way for accessing containers, contexts etc: $obj->context or $obj->getContext() ?
15:46 < Fou4th> preferred*
15:49 < graste> I usually prefer getters as possibly in the future they do something important (other than returning the value)
15:50 < Wombert> from the container, yes
15:50 < Wombert> $this->getContainer()
15:51 < Wombert> exactly, graste 
15:51 < CIA-56> david * r3659 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/translation/AgaviTranslationManager.class.php): Fixed #1008: [EXPLETIVE] Fucking Debian fucking ruined their fucking PHP package once again, and now we need to waste fucking time to fucking fix it
15:54 < CIA-56> dominik * r3660 /branches/1.0/test/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add more routing tests
15:54 < CIA-56> david * r3661 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/translation/AgaviTranslationManager.class.php): ported [3659/branches/0.11], refs #1008
15:56 < CIA-56> dominik * r3662 /branches/dominik-routing/ (17 files in 13 dirs): merged [3651:3661/branches/1.0]
15:57 < graste> probably guy ritchie should make decent movies again now that he's finally divorced and should have the time - my first idea would be some kind of 'hackers' remake as film noir with wombert ranting about random things with heavy british accent  - oh and shooting things while he's at it <:
15:57 < Wombert> can I stab things?
15:57 < Wombert> that would be awesome
15:57 < graste> of course, that's a common in such movies :x
15:58 < graste> unavoidable even
15:59 < graste> perhaps german accent instead of british - there has to be one udo kier type of villain in every movie =)
16:01 < Wombert> ZE TIMEZONE MUST ALWAYS RRRRETURRRRN BERLIN TIME
16:04 < graste> <:
16:04 < graste> universal berlin time UBT
16:05 < graste> and no DST whatsoever
16:14 < graste> http://vimeo.com/2937785?pg=embed&sec=2937785
16:14 < asonge> i'm trying to make a task for my project...how should i get my project's basedir in the task class?
16:15 < Wombert> there should be ${project.dir}
16:15 < Wombert> not sure how to access that in phing
16:15 < Wombert> impl knows
16:15 < asonge> pass that from the build.xml somehow to the task?
16:29 < Seldaek> Wombert: there is none in the default core.*_dir though right? because I added one myself in config.php
16:30 < Wombert> asonge: no, that should be there already
16:30 < Wombert> asonge: I'm not a phing expert, sorry
16:30 < Wombert> Seldaek: say what?
16:33 < Seldaek> a core.project_dir value
16:33 < Wombert> Seldaek: asonge is talking about the build system
16:33 < Seldaek> I know
16:33 < Seldaek> but I'm asking at the same time about runtime stuff :p
16:34 < Seldaek> I mean it works fine with my AgaviConfig::set('core.project_dir', ..) but I just wished to check I didn't miss something
16:37 < Wombert> you didn't
16:50 < asonge> AgaviConfig doesn't contain core.project_dir
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16:54 < Seldaek> well mine does now
16:55 < asonge> lol
16:55 < aeiou> hi guys, just wondering if anyone had any examples of websites created with agavi? :)
16:58 < graste> http://www.sevenload.com/ AFAIK
16:59 < CIA-56> dominik * r3663 /branches/dominik-routing/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
16:59 < CIA-56> - add $context/intialize() to AgaviRoutingValue and add a createValue method
16:59 < CIA-56> - switch routing values to specify if a parameter should be encoded instead of specifying that it is already encoded
16:59 < CIA-56> - adjust routing config handler to serialize the routing information array instead of var_exporting it (this is not yet the final solution to this)
17:08 < asonge> "final solution"
17:13 < impl> asonge: it's ${project.directory}
17:15 < asonge> yeah, i got it
17:15 < asonge> and i have to set$x
17:15 < asonge> well, make a method for it
17:15 < aeiou> does agavi implement true mvc?
17:15 < asonge> aeiou: yes
17:15 < aeiou> and in what ways does agavis implementation differ from that of cakephp etc?
17:15 < asonge> a more useful version than rails/cake/etc
17:15 < aeiou> are there documents regarding this anywhere?
17:15 < aeiou> I would love to do some reading
17:15 < asonge> the docs
17:16 < asonge> there's even some text about bloggie
17:16 < asonge> http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/introduction.html
17:16 < aeiou> ok thanks i will give it some reading
17:17 < asonge> aeiou: now, agavi doesn't itself have an ORM, but it lets you interface with just staright PDO, doctrine, propel and one or two others i'm missing
17:17 < impl> Adodb and Creole, but nobody uses those :D
17:18  * impl &
17:19 < asonge> killall impl
17:19 < asonge> can't hide from me.
17:21 < aeiou> has anyone done any benchmarking for agavi? I would be interested in seeing how many req/s a simple hello world achieves
17:22 < Wombert> a "hello world" is a stupid test case for framework performance
17:22 < asonge> aeiou: this depends on the architecture and how you code your model structure
17:23 < asonge> when corrent caching gets you 10-100 times difference in the right spots, why quibble over 3 times faster?
17:23 < Wombert> that's not the point
17:23 < Wombert> a framework that is 10% faster than the other one is still not going to make a difference because the slow parts are the application code
17:23 < Wombert> database access, usually
17:23 < Wombert> "hello world" is just stupid
17:24 < asonge> yep
17:24 < Wombert> also, performance shouldn't be the #1 motivation to use a framework over another
17:24 < Wombert> much more important are things like maintainability
17:24 < Wombert> extensibility
17:24 < Wombert> finding programmers that are familiar with it
17:24 < Wombert> etc
17:24 < Wombert> computer hardware is much, much cheaper than manpower
17:24 < asonge> making the framework 3x faster when it's 10% of the total request time is a savings overall of 3%
17:25 < asonge> not worth the effort
17:25 < Wombert> no, 7.5% in that case, but yeah
17:25 < Wombert> ;)
17:25  * asonge feels stupid now
17:26 < asonge> anyway, always hit the thing that takes the longest...like avoiding connecting to the DB completely
17:28 < asonge> Wombert: will there be any place on the website for a cookbook of types for things like build targets for external libraries? (doctrine model generators, etc)
17:28 < asonge> type of things...my english is broken today
17:36 < v-dogg> hehe, this percentage talk reminds me of a MP here in finland who stated that if every Baltic Sea country would reduce water pollution by 5% it would add up to 45% total reduction! :D 
17:38 < v-dogg> (or whatever the sum was, don't remember how many countries have baltic sea coast line :)
17:39 < Wombert> aeiou: rasmus lerdorf benchmarked frameworks once
17:39 < Wombert> we were 25% faster than symfony
17:39 < Wombert> I don't remember the link
17:39 < Wombert> but he, too, did "hello world", which is a completely stupid test case
17:39 < Wombert> because it only benchmarks the (usually negligible) framework overhead
17:40 < v-dogg> and doesn't tell _anything_ about how framework handles _real_ application flow (routing, dispatching, validation, model execution, view execution, rendering, multiple actions etc.)
17:41 < Wombert> yes
17:49 < asonge> the thing i love so far about the agavi app structure is how easy it is too hook into inheritence at any point...application-level, module level, etc
17:49 < asonge> that said, it's not technically the framework, but the default suggested implementation
18:02 < Wombert> brb
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18:15 < _cheerios> hmm. seems my modifications to the agavi execution filter always end me in a 404, even if i want to head to something like Default/Secure. bleh :p
18:30 < CIA-56> david * r3664 /branches/dominik-routing/src/routing/AgaviRoutingValue.class.php: __sleep() and __wakeup() for AgaviRoutingValue
18:34 < CIA-56> david * r3665 /branches/1.0/samples/app/cache/: fix svn:ignore for cache dir
18:34 < CIA-56> david * r3666 /branches/0.11/samples/app/cache/: svn:ignore for cache dir
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19:24 < asonge> hrm, it seems the whitespace for @var in the coding standards is screwing with my return type hinting in PDT
19:24  * asonge files a bug with PDT to tolerate whitespace
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19:59 < CIA-56> dominik * r3667 /branches/dominik-routing/src/routing/ (AgaviRouting.class.php AgaviRoutingValue.class.php): 
19:59 < CIA-56> - make null as pre- or postfix in a routing value indicate that the routing should use the default values
19:59 < CIA-56> - make sure everything is a routing value in the parameters in gen()
19:59 < v-dogg> asonge: wat? now problem with PDT here
20:00 < asonge> v-dogg: $this->context-> won't return typehints
20:00 < asonge> $this->context completes, but nothing after then
20:02 < v-dogg> do you have app/cache/ full of cache files?
20:02 < asonge> yes
20:02 < v-dogg> then your eclipse is probably using those for code completetion
20:03 < v-dogg> many agavi core files are "compiled" (bundled into one file and comments are stripped) and cached
20:05 < asonge> i ctrl+click on ->context and it takes me to what it references
20:05 < asonge> and it's referencing the right file
20:07 < asonge> i'm only seeing the config files cached
20:08 < v-dogg> look for compile.xml_*
20:08 < asonge> it's just a giant list of require statements
20:09 < v-dogg> ah, ok. your running the app in development mode
20:10 < v-dogg> then I don't know what's going on but I've been using PDT for a few years and never had any problems with it
20:10 < asonge> yeah, i've been using pdt since the .1something years
20:10 < asonge> .1, .2, .7, then 1.0
20:11 < asonge> etc
20:29 < aeiou> ive been doing some profiling of magento ecommerce with xdebug, and i am astounded to find that Varien_Simplexml_element->extendChild() is called over 12,000 times on the homepage LOL
20:29 < aeiou> whoops wrong channel :-)
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20:35 < _cheerios> nothing like dirty laundry passed on irc *g*
20:49 < graste> :>
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00:20 < Seldaek> oh yay I managed to add an error message to a form field FROM php through the validation manager and FPF and all without doing ugly hacks.. 
00:20 < Seldaek> might not seem like it but it is some kind of achievement :P
00:22 < Seldaek> (and now I found the one liner version with the available helper that I missed.. whatever :p)
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06:23 < v-dogg> huomenta
07:01 < horros> Huomenta.
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07:22 < v-dogg> hey horros, whats ya doing
07:23 < v-dogg> have you been busy lately or have I?-)
07:24 < horros> I have.
07:25 < horros> Terribly busy tying up the last lose strings of the old app before I start shifting my attention full time on the new (1.0-based) app
07:26 < horros> I think I've done all of my tickets for the old app now. Might have to do a few more bugfixes if anything comes up during testing :|
07:28 < horros> What's new in Agavi-land?
07:30 < v-dogg> nuttin I guess
07:34 < horros> ahahaha
07:34  * horros reads ticket #1008
07:34 < horros> Jesus christ.
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07:42 < _cheerios> huomenta
07:47 < horros> Hmm. Peculiar.
07:50 < horros> I wonder if I'm missing some extension or something. Everything works fine on my laptop, but complains about validators.xml on co-workers fresh install :|
07:51 < horros> http://pastebin.com/m7d572cb5
07:52 < horros> Now what have we messed up?
07:52 < _cheerios> I counted i have 51 tickets left before my own agavi service will see daylight. So many. :<
07:53 < v-dogg> horros: doesn't really look like XSL error but check xsl being available anyway (by default it isn't)
07:53 < v-dogg> actually, that's probablyit
07:53 < horros> validators.xml contains the usual <ae:configurations> stuff and an empty <validator_definitions></validator_definitions>
07:53 < horros> v-dogg: XLS is enabled
07:53 < horros> do I need to enable some other extension than php_xsl ?
07:54 < v-dogg> not that I recall
07:54 < horros> Hmm.
07:54 < horros> This is strange.
07:55 < horros> I had the same problem on my desktop machine at work too, I thought there was some change with the config files again
07:55 < horros> but I updated agavi on my lappy, and everything works like it should.
07:55  * horros scratches his head
07:56 < horros> Getting him to send me the output of php -m
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08:25 < v-dogg> there's no way to define svn:external which would exclude externals? 
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08:26 < v-dogg> e.g. I have agavi as svn:external but I don't want agavi's phpunit external
08:28 < Seldaek> afaik it's not possible no
08:28 < Seldaek> you can block phpunits repo in your firewall though :p
08:28 < _cheerios> get /src only? is this external something annoyingly new in 1.0?
08:28 < Seldaek> phpunit is in /src/vendor no?
08:29 < Seldaek> yeah it is
08:29 < _cheerios> fail. :<
08:29 < Seldaek> a bit.. but I don't really mind it
08:30 < Seldaek> I've 4 or 5 externals total, it doesn't really matter
08:32 < _cheerios> i prefer creating projects out of those externals, and then adding the local externals to meh projects, instead of direct linking over the stormy (slow) internets.
08:34 < horros> wtf is going on here?
08:34 < v-dogg> normipäivä :)
08:34 < horros> Yeah.
08:34 < horros> Perhaps I'll just stop working and hit the boozer.
08:35 < v-dogg> sorry, non-finnish folks :)
08:35 < horros> I just can't figure out what the hell is wrong.
08:35 < horros> The extensions looks fine.
08:35 < horros> Everything works on my old desktop and on my laptop.
08:35 < horros> Nothing works on the new desktop or co-worker's install.
08:36 < horros> This _has_ to be a PHP problem, somehow.
08:36 < horros> PHP is starting to annoy me more and more again.
08:36 < _cheerios> usual checklist: php, libxml, ???
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09:00 < horros> Smegging intarweb broke.
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09:00 < horros> _cheerios: PHP - installed (check!), libxml enabled (check!)
09:00 < horros> I've no idea what the "usual checklist" is and what to check for.
09:02 < _cheerios> right. in the past all fingers pointed to libxml, or some old php version.
09:03 < horros> On my desktop I installed the latest PHP version available (5.2.8?)
09:03 < horros> yeah, 5.2.8
09:03 < horros> My lappy is running 5.2.6
09:04 < horros> ...and co-worker is running 5.2.6
09:04 < graste> huomenta
09:07 < horros> http://pastebin.com/m1d3d7043
09:07 < horros> That's the error in full.
09:07 < horros> Like I said, I get the exact same error on my desktop with a fresh checkout of the app, but everything works fine on my laptop.
09:11 < horros> Aha
09:11 < v-dogg> umm.. $ro->gen(null) with "/foo?param1=asd&param2=qwerty" breaks FPF :)
09:11 < horros> I told him to svn up 3rdparty\agavi and now everything works!
09:11 < horros> Must have managed to check out a broken revision on Friday :)
09:13  * v-dogg giggles at cheaps hacks
09:13 < v-dogg> str_replace('&', '&amp;', $ro->gen(null)) 
09:13 < horros> haha
09:14 < Seldaek> v-dogg: weird.. I thought gen() was outputting &amp;'s
09:14 < v-dogg> it is, except with gen(null), it seems
09:14 < Seldaek> probably just concatenates $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] and some other shit
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09:52 < E_mE> huomenta
09:57 < E_mE> heheh i love this classy site: http://realukraine.info/
09:58 < E_mE> no coping of Twitter what so ever =P
09:58 < E_mE> and great english
09:58 < E_mE> copying*
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11:31 < bleachy1>  Huomenta
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11:37 < bleachy1> Does anyone know if I can have multiple <caching> blocks with different lifetimes for the same action and request method, and target a particular block based on some variable?
11:43 < _cheerios> that reminds me; what's the best approach to define different cache backends per action? eg. action A to use filesystem, B to use memcache... ?
11:44 < v-dogg> prolly only via custom executionfilter
11:44 < v-dogg> or are you talking about how/where to implement that?
11:47 < _cheerios> best practices w/agavi for such a requirement, yep. i can define a custom executionfilter, but that's just one, used globally in agavi. i'd have to resort to some if/else kludge within it atm., that i can think of.
11:48 < _cheerios> bleachy1, sorry to add to the noise. :)
11:48 < bleachy1> no probs :) I think i need a custom exec filter as well anyway
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11:51 < _cheerios> v-dogg,  basically i'll have like 20mil static pages (with high TTL), which i want to store to a solution like NFS, while reserving memcache for more important stuff (SQL/low-TTL pages)
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14:29  * v-dogg slaps E_mE_ 
14:29 < E_mE_> v-dogg: not my fault :(
14:30 < E_mE_> blame smegging ISP
14:30 < v-dogg> yeah, but it's easier to slap you than your ISP
14:30  * _cheerios stabs E_mE_
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14:30 < E_mE_> is it annoying you all?
14:30 < E_mE_> if so ill leave the channel until i get home
14:30 < _cheerios> no big deal atm. as no chatter going on
14:31 < E_mE_> ok 
14:31 < E_mE_> ill leave anyhow, keeps signing into other chanels
14:31 < E_mE_> till laterz
14:31 < v-dogg> yeah, but I'll still find it totally acceptable to slap you for it :)
14:32 < E_mE_> =P  ... dirty!
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14:32 < MrJeep_> hum beta 8 was due for tuesday... last week ?
14:44 < MrJeep_> I'm reading the doc right now
14:44 < MrJeep_> on bloggie
14:44 < MrJeep_> What are Models?
14:44 < MrJeep_> Models are classes that contain your application logic. They access databases, send e-mails
14:45 < MrJeep_> As far as I remember, I was told to send emails in action
14:45 < MrJeep_> is this still right ?
14:46 < v-dogg> I doubt that's what you were told
14:48 < MrJeep_> I'll search the log :P
14:49 < v-dogg> you do that :)
14:50 < v-dogg> I would very much agree with the definition aboce
14:50 < v-dogg> above
14:51 < MrJeep_> I would have too, but I was told the opposite
14:51 < MrJeep_> here's the log
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14:52 < MrJeep_> 18:17 < marklar|omni> dont send email from models
14:52 < MrJeep_> 18:17 < marklar|omni> let the action handle it
14:52 < MrJeep_> there you go
14:52 < MrJeep_> http://www.agavi.org/irclogs/agavi-200803.log
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14:56 < v-dogg> umm.. ok... I disagree. strongly.
14:58 < MrJeep_> give me the change to make an educated choice and tell me why you disagree
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15:00 < asonge> i'd say it depends.
15:01 < asonge> because i'll be using agavi as a pipe mail recipient to process email
15:03 < asonge> i'd almost be sending email from my view
15:07 < gigi_> sudo ifconfig
15:07 < gigi_> oops sorry
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15:09 < MrJeep_> well well well, It's nice to have a framework because it makes things a little more standard, however, it seems that everybody have is own way of doing the same things ..
15:10 < asonge> MrJeep_: i think the reason why you're sending email will matter more than the fact that you're sending email
15:10 < MrJeep_> I send emails after.. lets say... someone registered on a site 
15:11 < asonge> i'd put it in the model
15:11 < graste> sudo make me a sandwich :x
15:12 < MrJeep_> a few months ago, someone with a great knowledge of how-models-should-works explicitly told me to not do that
15:13 < MrJeep_> I think he had good points
15:13 < MrJeep_> beside teh fact that he knew that a lot more than me
15:13 < MrJeep_> anyway
15:13 < MrJeep_> +
15:15 < MrJeep_> I must say I hate doing things the wrong way
15:15 < MrJeep_> and I hate even more doing things the wrong way when I've done like 20 projects with agavi
15:15 < PyroBilly> were it my app you would see a call to a mail method in a model from an action. the model would then use a mailer object to do what the action told it to.
15:15 < PyroBilly> what you would not see is calls to the mailer object - or god forbid mail() - in the action itself
15:17 < PyroBilly> (unless sending mail was an inevitable byproduct of something else, in which case the action would have no say over whether it gets sent or not)
15:17 < MrJeep_> but what I could see is a notify method in the action which use the mailer object to send a mail
15:17 < MrJeep_> marklar|omni: got something to add ?
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15:19 < MrJeep_> plus, in the blog application
15:19 < MrJeep_> the posts are loaded in the view
15:19 < MrJeep_> why ? I feel it's the wrong place
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15:38 < graste> someone should setup a common and recommended good practices page for agavi :>
15:38 < MrJeep_> yeah
15:39 < MrJeep_> when using a framework I'm thinking, yay, now I go into any agavi project and I feel at home
15:40 < MrJeep_> right now, I think everyone have it's own way to doing things with agavi
15:40 < MrJeep_> some will load data in actions, others in view
15:40 < MrJeep_> some use the fpf for error outputing, others uses something different
15:40 < MrJeep_> and.. models... 
15:41 < Macen_> +1 for more best practice information 
15:41 < MrJeep_> don't event need to comment the situation about models
15:41 < MrJeep_> +1 too :)
15:41 < graste> :>
15:44 < graste> the thing that strucks me most in agavi is, that there are clever things built in, but nobody know about them and reinvents things til someone on irc (or never in case you're not on irc ;)) mentions to you, that you just wasted your time implementing something that could've been done in like 15mins as a POC
15:44 < graste> +s
15:44 < MrJeep_> My guess is they uses mailing list for this
15:45 < MrJeep_> which is a big fail in my view
15:45 < MrJeep_> compared to a forum
15:45 < MrJeep_> way easier to know what's been written before you subscribed to the mailing list
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15:46 < v-dogg> http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users
15:48 < MrJeep_> still think a forum would be better.. 
15:48 < MrJeep_> unless there is some kind of categories
15:48 < MrJeep_> or way to group things
15:49 < MrJeep_> ... I guess I didn't have enought sleep
15:49 < MrJeep_> I feel like a woman, angry at anything
15:50 < v-dogg> are you pregnant?-)
15:50 < MrJeep_> hope not
15:50 < v-dogg> :)
15:50 < MrJeep_> hehe :P
15:51 < MrJeep_> Let's just say I feel al ittle lost in all those choices
15:51 < MrJeep_> and my guess is newcomers will also feel lost
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15:56 < v-dogg> MrJeep_: well, at the end it is always opinions, your specific cases (no, you don't get absolute and general guide lines) and what you are used to
15:57 < MrJeep_> I'd better keep that in mind
15:57 < v-dogg> I used to have quite a lot app logic in actions, I pushed propel objects into views, I had domain logic in propel objects etc.
15:58 < v-dogg> nowadays I have separate models and pretty much everything is done there. propel objects are exposed only for the models (actions and views know nothing about propel)
15:58 < v-dogg> and I have _zero_ application logic in the actions
15:59 < graste> you sure? :>
15:59 < v-dogg> because I have spend so much time refactoring code from actions into models when I have discovered that some other action also needs same functions
15:59 < v-dogg> graste: no of course not :)
16:00 < v-dogg> MrJeep_: but the point is you need to code a lot to create your own way of structuring code and, sadly, trial & error is the most common way to do this
16:00 < MrJeep_> I wish I could skip this
16:00 < MrJeep_> over the time I've done many projects
16:00 < v-dogg> having these discussions here is a great addition and helper in that process
16:01 < MrJeep_> I really dislike going back to a project where (now) I know I've done it badly
16:01 < v-dogg> these discussions and everything else you read and learn shortens the trial-error path :)
16:02 < v-dogg> as long as you want to improve you will always look back and think "wtf, why the heck did I do that like THAT?"
16:03 < MrJeep_> about your model, do you "encapsulate" your propel model inside some kind of model object ?
16:03 < MrJeep_> what I mean is :
16:03 < v-dogg> and methodologies improve and evolve too, there is no constant state
16:03 < graste> do you have an $this->orm in your agavi model? ^^
16:03 < MrJeep_> wrapping the propel (record) model inside another model, so methods like get* or set* are available
16:03 < MrJeep_> I do
16:04 < v-dogg> no, I use propel objects directly but return arrays/arrayobjects/custom objects
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16:04 < MrJeep_> i see
16:04 < graste> k
16:04 < MrJeep_> I've added a wrapper
16:04 < MrJeep_> because I think getters are usefull
16:04 < Macen_> more examples from agavi, people who have experience with it, would be useful
16:04 < Macen_> so that trends can be spotted that way
16:04 < Macen_> learn by example rather than trial and error
16:05 < MrJeep_> sometime, formating, or special parameters, or event language is extremly usefull
16:05 < Macen_> i think it's a much more sensible way to learn 
16:05 < MrJeep_> Macen : I agree
16:06 < MrJeep_> example : function getTitle() { switch ($currentlanguage) case 'en' : return $this->om->getNameEn()
16:07 < MrJeep_> most of it is handled by __call however
16:08 < MrJeep_> any thought? 
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16:11 < E_mE> huomenta
16:13 < E_mE> i attempting to find a resolution to prevent routing encoding variables, for example, we have a legacy banner system with a routing rule of pattern="^/log.php?b=(id:\d+);r=http://(url:\S+)"   and domain name i put into url:  always retruns like www.cats.com%2F rahter then www.cats.com/  which is in the database.  Is there a way round this? 
16:13 < asonge> v-dogg: i've found myself not accessing ORM's from actions as well
16:15 < MrJeep_> You must use a routing callback I think
16:15 < MrJeep_> which will unencode this
16:17 < E_mE> ok MrJeep 
16:17 < E_mE> thanks
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16:27 < kaos|work_> E_mE: in 1.0 this will be possible w/o a callback 
16:27 < E_mE> ah cool, im using 1.0b7
16:27 < kaos|work_> but it's not yet ready (it's working in the dominik-routing branch already)
16:27 < CIA-56> david * r3669 /branches/1.0/samples/app/ (14 files in 4 dirs): renamed Secure1* to Secret1* and Secure2* to Secret2* to prevent confusion with the Secure system action, refs #998
16:28 < E_mE> ah :) cool
16:28 < kaos|work_> but it should be ready by in a few days
16:28 < kaos|work_> -by
16:28 < E_mE> ah okay i shall notify me boss of this :D
16:29 < E_mE> thanks, your thinking one step ahead of my needs kaos|work_ ;)
16:29 < kaos|work_> you'r not the first one with that problem :)
16:29 < kaos|work_> but for now you can simply add a callback
16:29 < E_mE> oh there goes my self importances =P
16:29 < kaos|work_> just do 		$userParameters['string'] = rawurldecode($userParameters['string']); in onGenerate
16:30 < MrJeep_> unit testing for agavi 1.0 is working?
16:30 < MrJeep_> action testing i mean
16:30 < MrJeep_> in other words, testing a project
16:31 < kaos|work_> MrJeep_: yes and the sample app has examples
16:31 < MrJeep_> woot
16:31 < E_mE> kaos|work_: much apprisated :)
16:32 < E_mE> kaos|work_: whats the option going to be called ?
16:32 < kaos|work_> it's not an option
16:32 < kaos|work_> we will introduce something called routing values
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16:33 < kaos|work_> which you can pass to gen()
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16:33 < E_mE> it going to be automatic?
16:33 < kaos|work_> no
16:33 < kaos|work_> and in that routing value you can instruct the routing to not encode the value
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16:50 < _cheerios> jee
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17:07 < CIA-56> dominik * r3670 /branches/dominik-routing/src/routing/ (AgaviRouting.class.php AgaviRoutingValue.class.php): remove pre and postfix from AgaviRoutingValue constructor and add a fluent interface instead
17:08 < _cheerios> kaos|work_, what's the best practice in 0.11 to hook up different caching backends on actions? action A to NFS, action B to use memcached etc.
17:19 < kaos|work_> _cheerios: subclass agaviexec filter and implement it yourself
17:19 < kaos|work_> gtg
17:19 < kaos|work_> bye
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17:22 < _cheerios> kaos: mostly the part about hooking up the correct executionfilter to actions is what I'm after, how's that done best?
17:23 < _cheerios> afaik i can have global factories.xml, and perhaps a modules factories.xml (haven't tried), but even so that's not enough -- need to have some way to define it for eg. the cacheAction.xml 
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17:47 < asonge> where do i grab the agavi sample app?
17:48 < graste> svn co 
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18:54 < Seldaek> Wombert: any idea why I can't add a validation error message to an input submit ?
18:55 < Seldaek> I wanted to inject a message if a DB error occurs and then return 'Error'; makes sense I guess, but I can't inject on the submit, so I have to target the last item of the form, which is kinda lame
18:55 < Seldaek> the other option being to set an attribute and then display it if it's there, but that's a bit ugly and not taking advantage of the FPF which is a shame
19:02 < Wombert> Seldaek: hm
19:02 < Wombert> Seldaek: good catch
19:03 < Seldaek> oh man
19:03 < _cheerios> http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/vermischtes/2009/01/26/auto-unfall/mann-landet-im-kirchdach.html nice parking job in germany
19:03 < Seldaek> I had to come here half drunk and request something for you to say good catch =
19:04 < hZILLA> you should be proud
19:04 < hZILLA> :p
19:04 < Seldaek> well I mean.. usually when I bitch about something either I'm ignored or what I ask is denied :p
19:05 < Seldaek> next time I'll totally get pissed before I ask :p
19:05 < hZILLA> i'm half drunk and just impressed you got a 'good catch'
19:05 < hZILLA> respek
19:06 < hZILLA> :/ g'night
19:06 < Seldaek> cya :P
19:15 < _cheerios> gah, some tunes have such a great 10 seconds to them -- and the other 3:20 just doesn't feel like anything afterwards
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21:15 < gigi_> hello... i just installed agavi, but when i type agavi on the command line I get nothing in return, not even invalid command. anybody have any idea as of what might be happening?
21:15 < gigi_> names
21:20 < graste> install via pear? command 'agavi' without anything should give some status information
21:20 < gigi_> yes, via pear
21:21 < gigi_> right, but it doesnt give anything back
21:21 < gigi_> i'm trying to see if reinstalling my work. i set it to beta after installing, so i uninstalled, set to beta and now reinstalling
21:23 < _cheerios> if the thing uses php in the background, check php error logs
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21:38 < Wombert> gigi_: check error_reporting and display_errors
21:38 < Wombert> probably something is going wrong but you're not seeing it
21:38 < gigi_> Starting to download XML_Parser-1.3.2.tar (Unknown size)
21:38 < gigi_> k
21:38 < Wombert> eh?
21:40 < gigi_> oh, nevermind about that, i might've accidentally pasted that in
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21:57 < gigi_> its not finding phing
21:58 < gigi_> i uninstalled phing and agavi, and reinstalled both, and still got that error
21:59 < gigi_> i see the problem
22:00 < gigi_> i have php.ini pointing to a library for zend. i need to take that out of ini and put it into my bootstrap file and then all should work
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22:09 < gigi_> all works fine now, thanks for the tip on turning errors on
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07:34 < _cheerios> huomenta
07:35 < horros> Huomenta.
07:42 < trophaeum> gah, how can array_slice be about 50x slower than doing a for loop with multiple lookups
07:50 < _cheerios> because it's in C, while a for-loop is PHP... oh wait
07:50 < trophaeum> lol, my thoughts exactly
07:51 < trophaeum> optimizing a chunk of code and it went from .9sec->18secs
07:51 < trophaeum> -_-
07:51 < _cheerios> huge array?
07:52 < trophaeum> 25k keys, single text word in each (exploding lots of content by space)
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08:15 < MugeSo> trophaeum: array_slice sorts the array before slice.
08:16 < MugeSo> I think this behaivour needs time.
08:17 < MugeSo> How about when set 4th argument 'preserve_keys'?
08:17 < MugeSo> for array_slice
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08:40 < Wombert> ohai
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08:48 < v-dogg> hai
08:56 < guillerr> ohaio 
08:57 < trophaeum> MugeSo, ooooo, didnt realize that *doh* ill look into it, thx
08:57 < horros> hi
08:57 < MugeSo> hi
08:58 < MugeSo> trophaeum: no problem ;)
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09:15 < _cheerios> closing tickets, setting state in commit message. pretty cool.
09:15 < v-dogg> please, tell us more 
09:15 < v-dogg> something homecooked or trac or what?
09:16 < _cheerios> <3 lighthouse
09:16 < _cheerios> http://www.lighthouseapp.com/help/setting-up-subversion-integration
09:19 < v-dogg> ack
09:26 < horros> v-dogg: We just have a few scripts that do it :)
09:28 < v-dogg> with what project mgmt tool?
09:29 < horros> I ment closing tickets and shit in commit messages
09:29 < horros> (svn + trac)
09:29 < v-dogg> yup
09:31 < Wombert> pff
09:31 < Wombert> svn+trac does the same stuff
09:31 < graste> huomenta
09:31 < horros> Wombert: I just said that :)
09:31 < Wombert> just gotta add "reopens" as a keyword, that'd come in handy
09:31 < Wombert> huomenta graste 
09:31  * graste likes redmine
09:32 < horros> I was thinking of extending the post commit hook a tad
09:34 < v-dogg> I should find some reasonably prized "it just works" service with svn and some good (easy to use) project management 
09:34 < v-dogg> I don't want to set one up myself
09:34 < horros> What exactly does project management apps _do_?
09:35 < horros> We've gotten along fine with trac (wiki + creating milestones/versions + booking tickets)
09:36 < horros> We used to have some groupware software or the other, but it was hard to use, completely inflexible and everyone hated it so nobody actually used it.
09:36 < v-dogg> all I need is tickets, milestones and integration with SVN so Trac is just fine
09:37 < _cheerios> v-dogg, lighthouse is free, as long as you're fine with a private project and 2 member team only
09:37 < v-dogg> I'm alone with my projects more or less so my needs are pretty simple. but currently my tickets are actual post-it tickets 
09:37 < v-dogg> and that's not pro :)
09:38 < horros> :D
09:40 < _cheerios> in lighthouse you don't see full diffs on the changeset tho, something that's nice in trac, when looking at changesets.
09:40 < _cheerios> just the files that were modified are displayed
09:40 < v-dogg> _cheerios: yeah, that's one thing I'd like to have
09:41 < Wombert> v-dogg: lighthouse+beanstalk
09:41 < Wombert> http://beanstalkapp.com/ integrates with several services, like lighthoue
09:45 < v-dogg> I'm not that fond of lighthouse
09:46 < v-dogg> not really sure what it is that annoys me (appart from the lack source/diff/changeset browser)
09:59 < _cheerios> that's because you're a hater at heart, raa raa!
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10:44 < CIA-57> david * r3671 /branches/1.0/samples/app/ (config/factories.xml templates/Master.php): Master.php and factories.xml cleanup, refs #998
10:49 < CIA-57> david * r3672 /branches/1.0/src/validator/AgaviValidationReport.class.php: doc fix
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11:31 < CIA-57> dominik * r3673 /branches/dominik-routing/src/routing/AgaviWebRouting.class.php: fix gen(null) (and similar) not using the query string parameters
11:34 < CIA-57> dominik * r3674 /branches/dominik-routing/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
11:34 < CIA-57> add support for multiple callbacks per route
11:34 < CIA-57> add parameters support to callbacks
11:34 < kaos|work_> !!
11:34 < kaos|work_> :>
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11:51 < Seldaek> Wombert: what about my "nice catch" there.. should I expect you'll fix it, should I create a ticket ?
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11:52 < MikeSeth> oh hai
11:53 < Seldaek> heya :p
11:53 < MikeSeth> sup Seldaek 
11:55 < Seldaek> don't know, saw your post in dwoo's forum
11:55 < Seldaek> sup with your brain I might ask?
11:55 < MikeSeth> um 1 sec
11:56 < _cheerios> kaos|work_, re: yesterdays executionfilter. How do I define executionFilter A for action A, and filterB for action B in the caching?
11:56 < MikeSeth> Seldaek: from my template: {date_format $period_format $row.period}
11:57 < MikeSeth> format string, then date
11:57 < MikeSeth> in documentation the order is reverse
11:57 < Seldaek> well I don't know why this works in your template.
11:57 < MikeSeth> well it doesn't work any other way
11:58 < Seldaek> just look at the plugin's sources.. it's $value, $format, $default
11:58 < MikeSeth> then something is broken in the plugin's guts
11:59 < MikeSeth> if I pass parameters as $row.period $period_format then it renders ``Y/m'' 
11:59 < MikeSeth> which is the content of $period_format
12:00 < Seldaek> well.. no
12:00 < MikeSeth> well, scientific fact :>
12:00 < Seldaek> the test is {date_format $dwoo.now "%Y%H:%M:%S"}
12:01 < Seldaek> and the test passes
12:01 < MikeSeth> wha
12:01 < MikeSeth> uh
12:01 < MikeSeth> the format string is not in date() syntax?
12:01 < Seldaek> strftime
12:02 < Seldaek> date is not locale aware afaik 
12:02 < MikeSeth> oh lawd
12:02 < MikeSeth> shoulda looked into the source
12:02 < Seldaek> it's in the docs
12:03 < MikeSeth> I used date() Y-m-d syntax
12:03 < MikeSeth> that's why it fell through
12:03 < MikeSeth> nvm
12:03 < Seldaek> but did you get a valid output out of that? 
12:03 < Seldaek> that's what I don't get:p
12:03 < kaos|work_> _cheerios: you can't do this that way 
12:04 < MikeSeth> Seldaek: no, I got the format string returned to me verbatim
12:04 < MikeSeth> Seldaek: which is the correct behaviour if you pass date() syntax as format string ;>
12:04 < _cheerios> kaos|work_, I'd want to store one actions stuff to NFS, anothers to memcached. I don't want both going to the same backend.
12:04 < MikeSeth> btw all, PDT 2.0 doesn't suck
12:05 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, is it final? I used pdt2 nightlies and they sucked
12:05 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: 2.0 final works
12:05 < Seldaek> MikeSeth: yeah but you said it worked if you passed it inverted..
12:05 < MikeSeth> well hogs ram like a bitch
12:05 < _cheerios> thus being on netbeans these days
12:05 < kaos|work_> MikeSeth: netbeans ftw
12:05 < MikeSeth> Seldaek: yea
12:05 < MikeSeth> kaos|work_: java durrr 
12:05 < kaos|work_> you should get a mac
12:05 < kaos|work_> and textmate
12:05 < MikeSeth> kaos|work_: though I like netbeans api > eclipse api
12:05 < Seldaek> MikeSeth: ah well.. I guess it used your time value as a format
12:05 < MikeSeth> yes yes
12:05 < kaos|work_> (it even runs emacs :D)
12:05 < Seldaek> and just output it straight
12:06 < MikeSeth> have wombart send me one ;P
12:06 < Seldaek> which might have looked "fine"
12:06 < kaos|work_> :D
12:06 < Seldaek> although it didn't really fit your Y-m-d
12:06 < kaos|work_> _cheerios: yeah, i know. the problem is that you can only have one exec filter 
12:06 < MikeSeth> Seldaek: i committed fixes to my tree already so its moot anyway ;>
12:06 < Seldaek> yeah okay
12:06 < _cheerios> kaos|work_, fail :<
12:06 < kaos|work_> _cheerios: and you'd need to decide in there what backend you want
12:07 < kaos|work_> which sadly isn't really easy doable i think
12:07 < kaos|work_> but Wombert probably knows more
12:07 < Seldaek> MikeSeth: btw PDT2.0 is great.. ok but what did you use before?
12:07 < MikeSeth> Seldaek: emacs. And I still use emacs. :P
12:07 < Seldaek> because coming from phpeclipse, PDT always pissed me off 
12:08 < Seldaek> but it has some nice things I want.. but other things that annoyed me too much
12:08 < Seldaek> same with netbeans really
12:08 < Seldaek> some nice stuff but too much annoyances
12:08 < MikeSeth> true
12:08 < MikeSeth> emacs still > *
12:08 < Seldaek> yeah well no
12:08 < Seldaek> but I won't even discuss that:p
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12:30 < Wombert> _cheerios: I had the exactly same idea yesterday
12:30 < Wombert> will do
12:31 < Wombert> well uhm
12:31 < Wombert> you know
12:31 < Wombert> supporting parameters there
12:31 < Wombert> or something
12:33 < Seldaek> Wombert: read my question above?
12:34 < Wombert> no
12:34 < Wombert> :p
12:34  * MikeSeth petz0rs Wombert 
12:34 < Wombert> and I don't have time right now, Seldaek 
12:34 < Seldaek> Wombert: the FPF inject error on submit
12:34 < Wombert> MIEK
12:34 < Seldaek> should I submit a ticket
12:34 < MikeSeth> 9/11!
12:34 < Seldaek> or what
12:34 < Wombert> ah right
12:34 < Wombert> Seldaek: nah, will look at it later
12:35 < Wombert> remind me again maybe
12:35 < Seldaek> yeah but I might as well do a ticket:p
12:35 < Seldaek> so I don't forget and I don't have to stalk you
12:35 < _cheerios> you mean like; xsd allowing custom tags (or just using <parameter/>) <custom name="storage">NfsStorage</custom>, instantiate all backends in execute(), and choose what is provided here or use "default" ?
12:36 < Wombert> !?
12:36 < Wombert> no, _cheerios 
12:36 < Wombert> just parameters for <caching>
12:36 < Wombert> so you can read it in your execution filter methods
12:36 < Wombert> there is just ne storage
12:37 < Wombert> 1.1 will solve that
12:38 < _cheerios> and i'll gladly use 1.1 when it comes out, until then...
12:38 < Wombert> until then, you subclass the execution filter and do it yourself
12:39 < _cheerios> i do need to modify the caching.xsd to allow for eg. storage="" for <caching/> right?
12:39 < _cheerios> any other checklist items come to mind?
12:40 < _cheerios> and if i have a custom caching.xsd, where do i place it for agavi to pickup?
12:41 < kaos|work_> _cheerios: wombert will add <parameter> support in the caching.xsd
12:41 < kaos|work_> so you can place it there 
12:41 < _cheerios> ok. for 0.11, tyvm :)
12:41 < _cheerios> i can do the filter np's
12:41 < kaos|work_> heh
12:41 < kaos|work_> i dunno if he'll do it for 0.11 *g*
12:41 < kaos|work_> you can try to humpzor him to do it xD
12:43 < kaos|work_> but
12:43 < kaos|work_> until then
12:43 < kaos|work_> you can do (untested, but that should work)
12:44 < Seldaek> Wombert: can haz trac account?
12:44 < kaos|work_> 			<handler pattern="%core.module_dir%/*/cache/*.xml" class="AgaviCachingConfigHandler">
12:44 < kaos|work_> 				<validation>%core.agavi_dir%/config/xsd/caching.xsd</validation>
12:44 < kaos|work_> 				<transformation>%core.agavi_dir%/config/xsl/caching.xsl</transformation>
12:44 < kaos|work_> 			</handler>
12:44 < kaos|work_> overwrite that in your config_handlers.xml with your custom xsd
12:45 < kaos|work_> and most likely use a custom config handler (since it would need to extract the params to somewhere)
12:46 < kaos|work_> Seldaek: wat username ?
12:47 < Seldaek> what what
12:47 < Seldaek> I just want an account
12:47 < Seldaek> with Seldaek as username 
12:47 < kaos|work_> so username Seldaek 
12:47 < kaos|work_> keke
12:47 < Seldaek> if that's the question :P
12:47 < kaos|work_> yes, that was the question :P
12:48 < Seldaek> j.boggiano@seld.be if you need
12:48 < kaos|work_> no, do not need 
12:48 < Seldaek> okay.. spambots will have it for nothing then
12:48 < Seldaek> :(
12:48 < kaos|work_> one moment
12:48 < Seldaek> sure
12:48 < kaos|work_> will remove it from the log ;)
12:48 < Seldaek> ah no 
12:49 < Seldaek> well it doesn't matter
12:49 < Seldaek> it's in too many places already it won't make a difference
12:49 < kaos|work_> ok ;)
12:53 < _cheerios> kaos|work_, thanks. will try those tonight.
12:54 < Wombert> _cheerios: I'll add that later
12:54 < Wombert> for 1.0
12:55 < Seldaek> wtf is wrong with your trac
12:55 < Seldaek> I keep losing the session
12:55 < Seldaek> weird weird
12:56 < Wombert> works for me
12:56 < Seldaek> well it says I'm not logged, but I can go in preferences.. and then it posts as anonymous
12:56 < Seldaek> real weird:)
12:56 < Seldaek> anyway http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/1011
12:58 < Seldaek> okay it was fucked up because I was on a new ticket form when I logged in and the form set a cookie
12:58 < Seldaek> cleaned up cookie and it's fine now
12:59 < Seldaek> no lost it again..BLAH
13:03 < _cheerios> your tubes might be going thru ukraine, and they're stealing more than gas this time around
13:03 < Seldaek> omg
13:03 < Seldaek> they stoled my wombert-generated password :(
13:14 < CIA-57> david * r3675 /branches/dominik-routing/ (3 files in 3 dirs): support for old routing configs with callback attribute, updated sample app routing.xml
13:30 < v-dogg> ok, I have to admit: for a free service beanstalk + lighthouse is quite awesome
13:32 < _cheerios> hmm, beanstalk can't be used much for free with that 20MB limit, given it's your SVN repo.
13:34 < v-dogg> sure
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13:35 < _cheerios> for small companies tho, $10 + $15 / mo, it's very little given the convenience -- but, i'd still be somewhat vary keeping my SVN on someone elses server
13:36 < Seldaek> assembla allows you to keep svn on your stuff I think, plus they have an option for nightly backups to S3
13:37 < Wombert> beanstalk does backups to s3 after each commit
13:38 < Seldaek> assembla can call any url after some events (including commits) so you can then trigger S3 :P
13:38 < Wombert> so can beanstalk :p
13:38 < _cheerios> lulz
13:39 < Seldaek> and btw please don't take 3 months to commit my patch :)
13:39 < Seldaek> I made an effort and looked at the damn code instead of whining :p
13:39 < v-dogg> I don't like lighthouse's UI :(
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13:39 < Seldaek> haha
13:40 < _cheerios> assembla does offer git, tho
13:40 < v-dogg> don't like trac either but it's not as bad :)
13:40 < Seldaek> redmine is pretty cool 
13:40 < v-dogg> is there are tortoisegit available already? 
13:40 < Seldaek> almost makes me want to stop hating RoR :p
13:40 < v-dogg> not going to even consider switching before that :)
13:40 < Seldaek> nope v-dogg, not a decent one at least 
13:40 < Seldaek> afaik the windows gui is still a piece of shit
13:41 < Seldaek> well a few months ago ..
13:42 < _cheerios> btw. is vcs/ticketing hosting the new web hosting?
13:43 < Seldaek> well a lot of young/lonely/poor developers don't have dedicated boxes
13:43 < Seldaek> and most of those don't run on shared php hosts
13:43 < Seldaek> so I guess there's a market
13:44 < Seldaek> you can save up a bunch on sysadmin fees if you're a small company too
13:45 < _cheerios> sysadmin time is away from programming time :<
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13:54 < MrJeep> morning
14:10 < MrJeep> anything new, interesting ?
14:10 < Seldaek> it's 2009 !
14:23 < MrJeep> seriously ?
14:23 < MrJeep> I was not sure if we were in 2008 or 2010
14:24 < Seldaek> yeah, it's confusing that some years are odd numbers
14:25 < MrJeep> plus cars and a lot of stuff  being 1 year in advance
14:25 < MrJeep> if I might say
14:28 < Seldaek> now that really made no sense dude !
14:32 < saracen> I have pages that should only be viewed by people that have access to them, based upon their user id. Should I deny them access via validate(), or should I assign the user credentials based upon the id for _every_ page they're allowed to see everytime they visit the site... - I would go with validate() because it would only require one result from the database, rather than fetching all pages they have access to... but I'm wondering if it makes sense to
14:39 < MrJeep> Seldaek: me or the cars ?
14:39 < MrJeep> saracen: I had the same thing to do recently
14:39 < MrJeep> well, +- 2 years ago
14:40 < MrJeep> what I came with, which is probably the worse plan
14:40 < MrJeep> was to set credential on user with the id of the page
14:40 < MrJeep> (or title or whatever)
14:41 < MrJeep> example : $this->addCredential('can_view_page_' . $somePageId);
14:41 < MrJeep> then in the page, set the proper credential in getCredentials
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15:00 < Seldaek> ouch :)
15:00 < Seldaek> saracen: do it in validate if you can, or even in execute and return Error or something if the user has no access, it's not such big a deal
15:01 < Seldaek> it will be much cleaner than having 59404 credentials anyway
15:03 < MikeSeth> here's a curious question
15:03 < MikeSeth> what if you need to check permissions based on requested output type?
15:03 < MikeSeth> e.g. i have a report action that should only allow CSV exports to specific people
15:03 < MikeSeth> but HTML reports are available to everyone
15:08 < Seldaek> funny indeed
15:08 < Seldaek> I guess check requested output and then do your shit in execute
15:13 < bleachy> Could you not use a custom security filter to carry out this logic after successful login? Check output type against user ID, forward to 403 on error etc.
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16:05 < MikeSeth> bleachy: you could
16:19 < bleachy> Yeah it was just a thought - you could do the check after credentials have been accepted. Obviously you would have to add a function into the report action (or whatever action) to expose the restricted output types, but its one way to do it i think.
16:27 < CIA-57> dominik * r3676 /branches/dominik-routing/src/routing/AgaviRouting.class.php: move setting of relevant routing attributes(module,action,etc) before the callback execution
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16:48 < MrJeep> hum, I'm in a thinking mode right now about models
16:49 < MrJeep> I'm wondering if I should wrap the "record" into a model
16:49 < MrJeep> like the Propel*Object (not the propel peer object)
16:50 < MrJeep> + Usefull since it's easy to add method for more functionnality to the record
16:50 < MrJeep> - One more level, and a lot more model class
16:50 < MrJeep> what di you think ?
16:53 < Seldaek> keep it simple if you don't have a gigantic structure imo
16:53 < Seldaek> or need for extreme flexibility
16:54 < MrJeep> so you suggest not to wrap it
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17:20 < DracoBlue> Heya!
17:21 < DracoBlue> Does somebody have a hint/link for me, how I feed the FPF with parameters without not just after validation, but also example for the initial view?
17:22 < DracoBlue> *-without +for
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18:12 < v-dogg> DracoBlue: $this->context->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', $data, 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
18:13 < v-dogg> $data = array('form-id'=>$agaviParamHolder) OR just array/pmholder if the action of the form is gen(null)
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18:16 < DracoBlue> thank you!
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19:01 < _cheerios> jee
19:01 < CIA-57> david * r3677 /branches/dominik-routing/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed and hardened behavior of gen() with disabled routing
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19:10 < _cheerios> get your hard on with agavi
19:10 < _cheerios> uh. your agavi release document is a bit longish.
19:11 < _cheerios> what happened to "zip it, and ship it" ?
19:15 < CIA-57> david * r3678 /branches/0.11/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix #1010: Sample App's and code templates' SecureSuccessView responds with a 401 HTTP status code instead of 403
19:17 < CIA-57> david * r3679 /branches/1.0/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merge [3678/branches/0.11], refs #1010
19:23 < _cheerios> salmiakki xylitol chewing gum is too addictive :<
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19:38 < _cheerios> trophaeum, you'd setup varnish right? while i was contemlating caching options today, i thought, perhaps this'd be also solved by signalling specific actions (and those only) that require file-based-storage with expires/etag HTTP headers in order to varnish do its thing. Do you think this'd be feasible?
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20:08 < Wombert> Seldaek: poke
20:08 < v-dogg> Wombert hai
20:09 < Wombert> ohai v-dogg 
20:09 < Wombert> wat hapen
20:09 < v-dogg> nutting, just browsing the internets 
20:10 < Wombert> I'll need your help tomorrow
20:10 < Wombert> we'll merge the routing rewrite branch
20:10 < Wombert> and release beta8
20:10 < v-dogg> you need to blog more, I've already read every internet page at least once
20:10 < Wombert> and that needs a lot of testing, quickly
20:10 < Wombert> v-dogg: I realized the other day that I could blog at least one agavi article per week
20:10 < Wombert> on so many nice topics
20:10 < Wombert> :<
20:11 < Seldaek> Wombert: ?
20:11 < v-dogg> yeah, I'd like to do some agavi tip marathon too but no tiem :(
20:11 < DracoBlue> Does not sound confident enought that you would start that? @wombert
20:11 < Wombert> DracoBlue: blogging?
20:11 < DracoBlue> blobbing once a week a nice agavi article :)
20:11 < Wombert> DracoBlue: it's more that I cannot be bothered, or I keep forgetting, or I am about to start when I realize what a pain it is to do with Tumblr :)
20:12 < Wombert> Seldaek: that error you want to insert
20:12 < Wombert> Seldaek: is that tied to a field?
20:12 < v-dogg> Wombert: yeah! tumblr isn't totally hopeless but there still has to be an easier way to write articles!
20:13 < v-dogg> from all the blogging solutions I've tried tumblr is the best so far
20:13 < Wombert> v-dogg: isn't blogging *code* hard to do?
20:13 < Seldaek> Wombert: I tie it to the submit "field"
20:13 < Wombert> with syntax shits and shits?
20:13 < v-dogg> yup
20:13 < Wombert> Seldaek: so the input has a name
20:13 < Seldaek> yes
20:13 < Wombert> Seldaek: and the validator acts on that field?
20:13 < Wombert> okay
20:13 < Seldaek> with my patch, yes
20:13 < Seldaek> well there is no validator
20:13 < Seldaek> I inject that from my action
20:14 < Wombert> Seldaek: you realize that this stuff doesn't work in IE, do you :p
20:14 < Seldaek> I do try { $model->save(); } catch($e) { blah add error 'db fail omg'; }
20:14 < Seldaek> and no, I didn't realize that
20:14 < Seldaek> but I don't think it will fail
20:14 < Wombert> fuck
20:14 < Wombert> fuck fuck
20:14 < Wombert> house
20:15 < Seldaek> if it was a validator maybe
20:15 < Seldaek> but as it is it should work no?
20:16 < Seldaek> Wombert: and about your blog thing, I think it would be _very_ nice and helpful to many of us
20:16 < Seldaek> and probably wordpress has a shitload of plugins to help post code like [code]blah[/code] 
20:16 < Seldaek> heck I'd even set it up for you :p
20:16 < Seldaek> if that's all it takes
20:18 < Wombert> I'm not touching wordpress dude
20:18 < Wombert> nowai
20:18 < Wombert> Seldaek: yes, should work
20:18 < Wombert> ie just doesn't submit submit names
20:18 < Wombert> (but the value instead, meh)
20:18 < Wombert> err
20:18 < Wombert> no, wait, that was buttons
20:19 < Wombert> also, odd why you don't want to display the error *above* the form, but... :p
20:19 < DracoBlue> Wombert, use bloggie instead *hides*
20:21 < Wombert> :p
20:22 < Wombert> v-dogg: if you're bored, pimp ADT
20:22 < DracoBlue> +1! :)
20:22 < Wombert> you're gonna have plenty of free evenings over the next months ;)
20:23 < v-dogg> I'm going to have _zero_ free evenings - camilla is away 1,5 weeks straight plus several days here and there
20:25 < Wombert> oh
20:25 < Wombert> :S
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20:28 < Seldaek> Wombert: well.. I might want to do above
20:28 < Seldaek> but I don't know how, I have no ghost field above it so.. :)
20:29 < Wombert> you do realize that FPF has several stages for validation errors, right?
20:29 < Seldaek> well.. maybe :P
20:29 < Wombert> multi_field_error_messages, field_error_messages, error_messages
20:29 < Wombert> that's the sequence
20:29 < Seldaek> I see
20:29 < Wombert> so if you define error_messages
20:30 < Wombert> and don't set a field name for the error
20:30 < Wombert> then it's gonna use a rule from error_messages
20:30 < Seldaek> which I don't have.. but okay I get the idea :)
20:30 < Seldaek> I'll try that it's indeed better :p
20:30 < Wombert> the context node is the form
20:30 < Wombert> not an input
20:31 < Seldaek> k
20:31 < Seldaek> that being said, don't hesitate to commit my patch anyway :)
20:31 < Seldaek> so I can inject it on top and on the bottom.. if I want to :p
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20:56 < graste> if you want a wikimedia commons picture of yourself on wikipedia chose something like that: http://kqe.de/pruell/Nathan_Myhrvold.jpg
20:57 < graste> a paper becomes a whole new meaning in that context -.-
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21:10 < Wombert> Seldaek: I'm not sure everyone would want that behavior
21:10 < Wombert> I need to think about it
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21:39 < nfq> Wombert: yo
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21:56 < Seldaek> Wombert: okay.. well think then, but I don't see how it imposes itself on anyone.. just don't use the fucking submit name if you don't want to add something to it ?
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22:17 < CIA-57> david * r3680 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/exception/templates/shiny.php): Fixed #1009 with a sledgehammer: Shiny exception template produces invalid XHTML
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22:22 < CIA-57> david * r3681 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/exception/templates/shiny.php): merge [3680/branches/0.11] (also with a sledgehammer), refs #1009
22:29 < _cheerios> found my favorite song for today, paper planes <3
22:37 < krycek> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sei-eEjy4g ?
22:38 < krycek> wow 30M views
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22:38 < _cheerios> This video is not available in your country.
22:38 < krycek> what is your country?
22:39 < _cheerios> Finland
22:39 < _cheerios> it's the right video tho, if paper planes by M.I.A
22:39 < _cheerios> crazy cools ong
22:39 < CIA-57> david * r3682 /branches/0.11/src/exception/templates/shiny.php: a slightly smaller sledgehammer, refs #1009
22:40 < CIA-57> david * r3683 /branches/1.0/src/exception/templates/shiny.php: merged a slightly smaller sledgehammer from [3682/branches/0.11], refs #1009
22:41 < graste> wombert, while you're at it - there's an invalid "padding-left: auto" in that file
22:41 < graste> probably in sample app as well :p
22:41 < Wombert> lies
22:41 < Wombert> :<
22:41 < E_mE> mmm webkit is telling me it doesn;t know the &pound; entity, is there a way i can inform it?
22:41 < graste> no lolcats anymore? :<
22:42 < graste> write them a letter!
22:42 < graste> scnr
22:42 < Wombert> E_mE: why use the entitiy?
22:43 < E_mE> well htmlentities() is automatically doing it
22:43 < E_mE> because of some sodding & and other odd chars
22:43 < E_mE> so i need them
22:43 < Wombert> ...
22:43 < Wombert> htmlspecialchars()
22:44 < E_mE> oh
22:44 < E_mE> hmpf!
22:44 < Wombert> nn
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23:08 < _cheerios> "should we do it now, or with the computer?" *g*
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06:52 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:16 < horros> Huomenta.
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07:21 < liutis> huomenta!
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07:47 < v-dogg> this should interest wombert and other top gear fanboyz: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1127714/EXCLUSIVE-The-drivers-Top-Gear-stunt-driver-The-Stigs-famous-racing-whites.html?ITO=1490#
08:31 < hashZILLA> got a strange error: Fatal error: Unsupported operand types in /usr/share/pear/agavi/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php on line 466
08:31 < hashZILLA> could this by my fault?
08:32 < hashZILLA> beta7
08:32 < v-dogg> clear cache and try again
08:33 < hashZILLA> i'm in dev mode so doesn't the cache just get overwritten anyway?
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08:37 < Seldaek> it should, but doesn't cost anything to clear it :)
08:37 < Seldaek> as of it being your fault..I guess it's possible but most likely a xml>php compiler issue
08:41 < hashZILLA> i think this is a symptom of a different problem which i have noticed before. if i make two soap context calls at roughly the same time i get a collision and error
08:41 < Seldaek> oooh 
08:42 < Seldaek> yeah the compilation takes some time 
08:42 < Seldaek> and you can quickly run into concurrency issues with ajax calls
08:42 < Seldaek> told wombert, he said it's expected and won't change since it's debug only 
08:44 < v-dogg> hashZILLA: that's a typical race condition then, most likely
08:44 < v-dogg> happens a lot with debug=true if you have several requests coming in
08:44 < hashZILLA> so in production its not a problem? or just that the chances of it happening are lower?
08:45 < v-dogg> second, I guess. I don't know how the stampede protection affects this
08:46 < v-dogg> but for development I have two environments (I work alone): development-nocache and development
08:46 < v-dogg> the first being what "development" is by default
08:46 < Seldaek> hashZILLA: I believe you have no problem at all in production since it doesn't rebuild the configs there
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08:46 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:47 < hashZILLA> i see so in dev mode if a soap request comes in on an interface, it regenerates the wsdl, so if another comes in on the same interface it hits a race condition?
08:48 < hashZILLA> but in production the cache is not regenerated so both requests can read the cache file or something?
08:48 < Seldaek> yeah in production typically the first request builds all the cache
08:49 < Seldaek> and then they just read
08:49 < Seldaek> which can't really go wrong imo
08:49 < Seldaek> unless you change the config and it's rebuilding while under a heavy of load
08:49 < Seldaek> -of
08:49 < Seldaek> but well I guess at worst you have a few requests that don't make it
08:50 < hashZILLA> yeh i just repeated the test and i got the same error...
08:50 < Seldaek> try turning debug off and hammer it, shouldn't fail anymore
08:50 < hashZILLA> ok i'll try that test later
08:51 < v-dogg> I had a similar problem when I released a beta version for a customer to test and forgot debug=true
08:52 < hashZILLA> strange error though... unsupported operand
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08:53 < Seldaek> it's probably because it did "include cache/blah.php" and the file while in the process of being written or something, so it ended at some invalid point
08:54 < Seldaek> s/while/was/ - tough morning
08:54 < hashZILLA> possible but chance of that happening twice are slim i think
08:54 < hashZILLA> i just repeated it
08:54 < v-dogg> see what's on the line then
08:54 < hashZILLA> will do!
08:55 < graste> huomenta
08:57 < hashZILLA> hmm well it looks like an include fails so the + operand can't add a false to an int
08:57 < hashZILLA> or an array
08:58 < hashZILLA> self::$handlers = (array)self::$handlers + include(AgaviConfigCache::checkConfig($cfg));
08:59 < Seldaek> yeah, makes sense
08:59 < Seldaek> can't add array and null
09:02 < hashZILLA> i guess even if this condition could be fixed there will be a failure elsewhere?
09:03 < Seldaek> yeah, besides you can't "fix" it
09:04 < Seldaek> you can fix the warning.. but it won't add what it's supposed to add
09:04 < Seldaek> so doesn't do you any good
09:05 < hashZILLA> yeh i just wonder if it could be handled a bit more gracefully other than a fatal error. Perhaps just return the empty response and let the client handle it
09:05 < Seldaek> I think it's better to have such error rather than unexpected things breaking all around the place 
09:05 < Seldaek> because then you wonder what the hell is wrong
09:05 < Seldaek> and start debugging a non issue 
09:06 < hashZILLA> true but this error is actually getting returned in the soap response which is not nice
09:06 < hashZILLA> anyway main concern is if this is going to happen in production...
09:07 < hashZILLA> perhaps the stampede protection will fix it?
09:07 < Seldaek> afaik it won't unless you mess with the config file while the site is running
09:07 < v-dogg> hashZILLA: wrap php error into an exception and handle exceptions in some sophisticated manner
09:07 < hashZILLA> yeh i have so it continues ok...
09:08 < hashZILLA> ok well i guess i'll live with it for now. thanks for input
09:09 < v-dogg> this is anyway a critical error (that is very unlikely to happen in production) you cannot recover from so ending the application execution and returning a user-friendly error message is all you can do
09:09 < v-dogg> and what you must do
09:14 < hashZILLA> yeh its just a bit tricky across a soap interface
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09:15 < hashZILLA> when you 'user' is another computer
09:17 < v-dogg> shouldn't any API you publish have a defined way to tell something went wrong?
09:18 < _cheerios> ooh. many pretty slides from zendcon2008
09:22 < hashZILLA> yes i'm trying to make it as robust as possible
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09:39 < CIA-57> david * r3684 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php): Fixed #1011: FPF does not insert error messages or classes for submit buttons
09:40 < CIA-57> david * r3685 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php): merge [3684/branches/0.11], refs #1011
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09:44 < Seldaek> Wombert: why's the second patch wrong ?:| 
09:44 < Wombert> because it handles input[type="button"]
09:44 < Wombert> and not button[type="submit"]
09:44 < Seldaek> ah well.. okay
09:44 < Wombert> (compare: "The patch also doesn't handle <button> elements. I'll have a look myself.")
09:44 < Seldaek> but the patch wasn't malformed at least:)
09:45 < Wombert> yes, but I committed before I saw it :p
09:45 < Seldaek> yeah doesn't matter anyway
09:45 < Seldaek> as long as it's done
09:45 < Seldaek> even though I'll probably never use it now.. :p
09:46 < Seldaek> and why shouldn't it handle input type="button" ? isn't that valid anymore?
09:49 < Rick> um
09:49 < Rick> ah
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10:01 < Wombert> Seldaek: a button input never submits
10:01 < Wombert> :)
10:01 < Seldaek> and can't it have errors attached anyway ? poor thing
10:01 < Wombert> nah
10:01 < Wombert> we do the same thing with disabled inputs etc
10:02 < Wombert> we only treat elements that can be "successful" according to the HTML spec
10:02 < Seldaek> okay
10:07 < Wombert> _cheerios: http://pastie.org/373042
10:07 < Wombert> I cannot add this into agavi
10:07 < Wombert> there is no way to read the values
10:08 < Wombert> so it'd be pointless
10:08 < Wombert> for 1.1 maybe
10:09  * _cheerios hugs. thanks for the help.
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10:42 < E_mE> huomenta!
10:42 < E_mE> damn my routing is broken again
10:42 < E_mE> <route name="banner" pattern="^/click" module="Banner">
10:42 < E_mE>                 <route name=".new.click" pattern="^/(bannerid:\d+)$" action="Click" /> </route>
10:43 < E_mE> that route cant be found, but if i remove the (bannerid:\d+) from that rule it works fine
10:43 < E_mE> ok time to get to the bottom of this
10:45 < E_mE> oh man, the request url in the web routing is being recieved as   string '/k.php/1/1' 
10:45 < E_mE> eeek something VERY wrong there :S
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11:01 < E_mE> i am correct here? $rd->getHeaders(); should get the headers of the request?
11:03 < E_mE> because i appear to be getting no data what so ever from it
11:03 < E_mE> empty array
11:04 < graste> strict validation?
11:05 < E_mE> validation restricts headers :|
11:06 < graste> everything including get, post, cookies, headers, route params etc pp
11:06 < graste> imho
11:06 < graste> ^^
11:07 < graste> <validator ... source="headers"> <argument>REFERER</argument>
11:07 < E_mE> well, thats a level of defense i would of never forseen heeh
11:10 < E_mE> thank you graste btw
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11:26 < E_mE> mmmm headers dont seem to be getting me data even with this rule:
11:26 < E_mE> <validator class="isset" source="headers" required="true">
11:26 < E_mE>                     <argument>REMOTE_ADDR</argument>
11:26 < E_mE>            </validator>
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11:50 < Wombert> ...
11:50 < Wombert> E_mE_: that is not a header
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13:32 < v-dogg> attention Finns: http://www.asteriski.fi/agile09/#p01
13:36 < ttj> What's Sotku?
13:36 < Wombert> is it in english
13:37 < horros> Perhaps I shall attend.
13:37 < CIA-57> dominik * r3686 /branches/dominik-routing/src/routing/ (2 files): add legacy routing callback interface
13:37 < horros> If I can be bothered to drive to Turku.
13:37 < E_mE_> where do i find _SERVER and _ENV information
13:37 < v-dogg> ttj: ex. Sotilaskoti turned into Asteriski's party house :)
13:37 < E_mE_> ive looked around getAttributes('source') with no luck
13:38 < E_mE_> and dumped attribute namespaces
13:38 < E_mE_> in the AgaviRequest
13:38 < Wombert> in $_SERVER
13:38 < Wombert> and $_ENV
13:38 < v-dogg> yeah :D
13:38 < E_mE_> Wombert: do i access $_SERVER and _ENV directly?
13:38 < E_mE_> not via the framework
13:38 < Wombert> yeah
13:38 < E_mE_> oh... 
13:38 < Wombert> cause that stuff is not input, and not standardized
13:38 < ttj> v-dogg: Ah, good point. It said party so I automatically thought that it was some club or something. :P
13:38 < Wombert> (some is through the CGI spec, but... bleh)
13:39 < E_mE_> okay cool.. i was thinking that AGavi delt with all this 
13:39 < E_mE_> and its been the simplest answer all along hehe
13:39 < Wombert> not yet... eventually it might
13:40 < E_mE_> im guess HTTP_USER_AGENT is header correct?
13:40 < Wombert> yes
13:40 < E_mE_> :)
13:40 < Wombert> HTTP_* are headers from the request
13:40 < MrJeep> good morning
13:41 < MrJeep> hi Wombert 
13:41 < MrJeep> what's new ?
13:41 < horros> v-dogg: Boss told me to register and reserve a room at Börs :)
13:42 < Wombert> wat is börs
13:42 < E_mE_> should i be using <argument>USER_AGENT</argument> or <argument>HTTP_USER_AGENT</argument> with validation.xml ?
13:42 < horros> Sokos Hotel Hamburger Börs
13:42 < v-dogg> used-to-be fancy hotel
13:42 < ttj> Wombert: A hotel/bar/restaurant complex in Turku.
13:42 < Wombert> hamburger?
13:42 < Wombert> nom
13:43 < Wombert> lawl @ v-dogg 
13:43 < Wombert> E_mE_: USER_AGENT
13:43 < ttj> Sort of like Kämp but not even close. :P
13:43 < Wombert> or maybe even User-Agent
13:43 < v-dogg> horros: beers in the evening!
13:43 < horros> v-dogg: Will have to see if the missus can take care of the dog!
13:43 < horros> Otherwise I'll have to drive back to either Tampere or Hämeenlinna in the evening.
13:43 < v-dogg> ok, beers during the day then. you can have juice if you're driving :)
13:44 < horros> :D
13:44 < horros> Or I can take the train!
13:44 < v-dogg> haha, brilliant! 
13:44 < horros> And have beers in the morning on the train, beers during the day, beers in the evening and then crawl back home on all four!
13:44 < CIA-57> dominik * r3687 /branches/dominik-routing/ (25 files in 12 dirs): merged [3663:3685/branches/1.0]
13:44 < horros> BRILLIANT!
13:45 < v-dogg> sounds like a plan
13:45 < ttj> Wow, I guess I'm coming too.
13:45 < ttj> Student fee doesn't include lunch or dinner. :O
13:46 < horros> *nelson*
13:47 < ttj> Where's the dinner?
13:48 < horros> Hehe, boss said I definitely need to get someone to look after the dog, and pretty much ordered me to "network all evening" (= get stupidly drunk)
13:48 < ttj> My boss is in Tampere. He'll never even know I'm going. :P
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13:53 < horros> Hmm. Something just struck me. I don't get päiväraha because lunch and dinner is included in the fee!
13:54 < v-dogg> (don't tell anyone)
13:55 < horros> :D
13:55 < v-dogg> ttj: <@Nailor> v-dogg: muistaakseni lounas on ict:llä ja päivällinen kupittaan paviljongissa, en mene vannomaan
13:55 < horros> v-dogg: Hmm, any reason for the trailing comma in AgaviDebugToolbar.js:56 ?
13:55 < _cheerios> heh, had the usual monthly white letter on ze laptop -- checked the total, and was "damn, my salary's gotten quite a cut", then read the title, which stated "ulkomaan päiväraha" :)
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13:55 < Wombert> päiväraha: is that "bucks from ze employer to by foodz"?
13:55 < horros> My IDE says IE won't like that.
13:56 < v-dogg> horros: bugz
13:56 < horros> Wombert: Yeah, tax free monies!
14:04 < nfq> Wombert: ping
14:05 < horros> v-dogg: I forget, is the judgement church (! (tuomiokirkko)) on this side or the other side of the river?
14:06  * horros sniggers at "judgement church"
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14:06 < v-dogg> hehe
14:07 < v-dogg> this side (and the uni, ict building and the suggested food places are too
14:07 < v-dogg> börs is not :)
14:08 < horros> Aye, I actually know where ÅA is! The uni is pretty close to it, yes?
14:08 < v-dogg> horros: you registered already?
14:08 < v-dogg> yup
14:08 < horros> Not yet.
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14:12 < horros> There we go, registered.
14:12 < horros> Would have been nice if the invoice contained the company's name and not only mine :)
14:12 < horros> Then again, that's not my problem.
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14:23 < Macen> anybody ever come across a way of automatically translating a .po file using Google Translate or such?
14:23 < v-dogg> horros: registered (and complained about the invoice :)
14:25 < v-dogg> horros: need an improved copy of the invoice?
14:25 < v-dogg> complaining payed off :)
14:25 < Seldaek> btw how do you guy set up error/exception logging for production ?
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14:26 < Seldaek> Macen: you could run it line by line into babelfish or something and scrape the results I guess
14:26 < horros> v-dogg: Hmm, I guess it'd be clearer if it actually mentioned the company name :)
14:26 < horros> so yeah.
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15:38 < E_mE> Wombert: you remember that problem i was having with routes not working correctly a few months ago.
15:38 < Wombert> E_mE: nope
15:38 < E_mE> i think i resolved it now, it was my mod_rewrite rules, there was a little evil hob goblin in it
15:38 < Wombert> DID YOU STAB IT
15:38 < Wombert> :>
15:38 < E_mE> Wombert: you want me to do a test case and try and replicate it
15:39 < E_mE> ja, i stabbed it good, right behind the windpipes ;D
15:39 < Wombert> well if the rewrite rules were *wrong*, then... not
15:39 < Wombert> if they were correct, then yes :p
15:39 < E_mE> i did a var_dump() on the url being recieved from agavi, and /click/1 was being recieved by agavi as k.php/1/1 ... major failure
15:46 < CIA-57> david * r3688 /branches/david-stampede_protection/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php: release stampede lock on view when execution needs to start over in case action is cached, but view isn't
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17:36 < CIA-57> dominik * r3689 /branches/dominik-routing/src/routing/ (AgaviRouting.class.php AgaviRoutingValue.class.php): 
17:36 < CIA-57> made AgaviRoutingValue::__toString return only the encoded value w/o pre and postfix
17:36 < CIA-57> add phpdoc
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17:59 < v-dogg> ping 192.168.1.2
18:00 < v-dogg> ooops :D
18:00 < v-dogg> no reply :)
18:00 < v-dogg> I seriously need some sleep...
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18:55 < MrJeep> Wombert ?
18:55 < MrJeep> need an advice
18:56 < MrJeep> tell me if you're there
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19:10 < v-dogg> MrJeep: agavi related or something else?
19:10 < MrJeep> models again
19:11 < MrJeep> I asked yesterday, however I haven't been answered
19:11 < MrJeep> about wrapping the "propel record" object
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19:11 < MrJeep> instead of returning arrays, returning objects and so on
19:12 < MrJeep> ( I mean returning an array of objects)
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19:12 < v-dogg> so you'd return MrJeepResultObjects?
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19:20 < MrJeep> yes, Kind of
19:20 < MrJeep> example
19:20 < MrJeep> $criteria = new Criteria()
19:20 < MrJeep> $criteria-> (..........)
19:20 < MrJeep> foreach (TablePeer::doSelect($criteria) as $result)
19:21 < MrJeep> $results[] = $this->context->getModel('MrJeepSomething', null, array('orm' => $result)
19:21 < MrJeep> return $results
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19:23 < MrJeep> + (the only one I can think of so far) It gives the ability to easily add methods that performs custom things when retrieving the data
19:23 < MrJeep> example : if a table contains a field to store an image
19:23 < v-dogg> do some general result container (extend agaviparameterholder perhaps) that can contain singular data, arrays or propel object
19:23 < MrJeep> it's easy to add a method like : getValidImage()
19:24 < MrJeep> oh
19:24 < MrJeep> however, the "bad" things is it needs a lot more model
19:24 < v-dogg> how?
19:24 < v-dogg> why?
19:25 < MrJeep> well, you need a model for your "Peer" classes
19:25 < MrJeep> and you need a model for your "record" class
19:25 < v-dogg> don't understand
19:25 < MrJeep> ok
19:25 < MrJeep> hum let me give you an exampel
19:25 < v-dogg> your model should chew the data ready to be used
19:25 < v-dogg> and your view should just grab what it needs and show it (and format it maybe)
19:26 < v-dogg> like I've said I mostly return simple arrays
19:26 < MrJeep> http://www.pastie.org/373438
19:26 < v-dogg> sometimes arrayobjects with custom iterators
19:26 < MrJeep> http://www.pastie.org/373438
19:26 < MrJeep> first like is the model which retrieve / create / update or delete data
19:27 < MrJeep> second link is the object that represents a record
19:28 < MrJeep> in the case of a product model
19:28 < MrJeep> you need a "ProductFinder" model
19:28 < MrJeep> and a ProductRecord model
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19:28 < MrJeep> so instead of 1 class, you need 2, this is why I said you need more models, (I was talking about the classes)
19:28 < v-dogg> umm... not sure what your motives here are but sounds a lot more complicated than it should
19:29 < v-dogg> propel objects are "object that represents a record"
19:30 < MrJeep> yeah, but from my previous discussions, the model should now depend on the orm
19:30 < v-dogg> productfindermodel retrieves those object using standard propel functions, does the chewing if needed, and returns then in some orm-free format
19:30 < MrJeep> it should be "easy" to move from propel to example, doctrine
19:30 < MrJeep> right now, it returns orm-free formats
19:30 < v-dogg> no, that's bs. who said so?
19:31 < MrJeep> Mike and marklar
19:31 < v-dogg> you cannot push the orm dependency deeper and deeper
19:31 < MrJeep> and I think it makes a lot of sense
19:31 < v-dogg> model uses the orm but hides it from the rest of the application
19:31 < MrJeep> exacly
19:31 < MrJeep> this is waht they told me
19:31 < v-dogg> just like mike uses pdo in his models
19:32 < v-dogg> no no no, don't believe you
19:32 < MrJeep> and this is what the code I've shown you does
19:33 < v-dogg> let me repeat what I just said: Model uses the database layer (ORM/ActiveRecords/Pdo/mysql_*)
19:33 < v-dogg> and that, I'm pretty sure, is what mike has told you
19:33 < MrJeep> yeah, this is what I'm saying
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19:33 < v-dogg> no, that' not
19:33 < v-dogg> 21:30 < MrJeep> yeah, but from my previous discussions, the model should now depend on the orm
19:33 < MrJeep> arg
19:34 < MrJeep> now -> not*
19:34 < MrJeep> nknklenkefwo typo
19:34 < v-dogg> yep, that's how I read it
19:34 < v-dogg> and that's wrong
19:34 < v-dogg> third time: Model uses ORM
19:34 < MrJeep> give me a change to re-explain
19:34 < v-dogg> it depends on it
19:35 < MrJeep> What I meant is : on the outside, we don't know if the model is using propel/pdo/what-ever
19:35 < v-dogg> that we agree on
19:35 < MrJeep> good
19:35 < v-dogg> 21:31 < v-dogg> model uses the orm but hides it from the rest of the application
19:35 < v-dogg> 21:31 < MrJeep> exacly
19:36 < MrJeep> so now to the main subject
19:36 < MrJeep> as you've seen
19:36 < MrJeep> on the code I've shown you
19:36 < MrJeep> right now I have a class which wraps a propel record object
19:36 < MrJeep> adding the possibility to add custom getters / settters
19:37 < MrJeep> I'm not sure it's good
19:37 < v-dogg> extend, don't wrap
19:37 < MrJeep> I've been told the opposite
19:37 < MrJeep> and I think it's right becase 
19:38 < MrJeep> 1. right now if I decide to move a project to doctrine, All Ineed to do is update the __call method on this base class and it's done
19:38 < v-dogg> no, I think you have understood wrong: I think the point was not to return propel objects from the model but "wrap" them or, in other words, return some general container
19:39 < MrJeep> the point was returning array or array of objects
19:39 < v-dogg> switching between ORMs is a huuuuge design decision and personally is not something I'd prepare for with that much effort
19:39 < MrJeep> in other words, I don't want to use propel objects directly
19:39 < v-dogg> you are making things extremely complicated
19:39 < v-dogg> but you have to, eventually
19:40 < v-dogg> you can add layers on top of them but you still end up using them directly
19:40 < MrJeep> I think you misunderstand me
19:40 < MrJeep> directly outside the models..
19:40 < v-dogg> and switcing is still a nightmare
19:40 < MrJeep> example : in templates
19:40 < v-dogg> yes, we still agree on that
19:40 < v-dogg> but you are talking about extra layer between the model and the orm
19:41 < MrJeep> hum, not exacly (but again, we might be misunderstanding each other once again)
19:42 < MrJeep> let's take an example
19:42 < MrJeep> in my module : RiobelProductsModel
19:42 < MrJeep> look at the method getProducts
19:42 < MrJeep> http://www.pastie.org/373438
19:43 < MrJeep> getProducts builds a criteria and call the fetch method (which simply add the basic stuff to the criteria)
19:43 < MrJeep> then id execute the criteria with doSelect()
19:43 < MrJeep> and each result is wrapped inside a RiobelProductModel object
19:44 < MrJeep> foreach (RiobelProductPeer::doSelect($criteria) as $result) $results[] = $this->context->getModel('RiobelProduct', null, array('om' => $result));
19:44 < MrJeep> there is no more layer
19:44 < MrJeep> this returns an array of RiobelProductModel
19:45 < v-dogg> RiobelBasePropelPeerModel
19:45 < MrJeep> if I take the first element and call teh method getName(), behind all it does is $this->om->getName()
19:45 < v-dogg> opps
19:45 < v-dogg> is that an agavimodel?
19:45 < MrJeep> yeah
19:45 < MrJeep> this extra layer is to make sure I don't use the propel object directly
19:46 < MrJeep> I give myself a layer I can adjust if somehow I have to switch (it's in theory of course) but if it happens, I don't have to update all teh templates
19:46 < MrJeep> if I were to switch to doctrine or simply pdo right now, I only would have to update my models
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19:47 < MrJeep> and now RiobelProductModel->getName would instead simply do return $this->om->name (on doctrine)
19:47 < MrJeep> so this is how I use model right now
19:47 < MrJeep> I'm gonna ask another way
19:47 < MrJeep> is this overkill ?
19:47 < MrJeep> :D
19:48 < v-dogg> 21:28 < v-dogg> umm... not sure what your motives here are but sounds a lot more complicated than it should
19:48 < v-dogg> :)
19:48 < v-dogg> but I should see your other models to get a full picture
19:49 < MrJeep> let me show you rhe base model calsses
19:49 < MrJeep> base classes : http://pastie.org/373466
19:50 < v-dogg> I'm sorry but I have to get one thing done and then get some sleep
19:50 < MrJeep> oh ok
19:50 < MrJeep> np
19:50 < v-dogg> we have to continue some other time
19:50 < MrJeep> sure
19:50 < MrJeep> have a good night
19:50 < v-dogg> you too
19:58 < MrJeep> anyone else want to discuss this ?
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20:24 < krycek> MikeSeth: what is the song of the day?
20:24 < krycek> i liked the other one
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21:38 < _cheerios> Was thinking of anonymous instances for php last night [i need better ways to spend my time, clearly]. For php6, they should move @ => silence(), with @ being E_DEPRECATED in 5.3+ and @ could be used for anonymous instance creation in the likes of $result = @User->find(1); Wombert, pull some strings and make it happen? :)
21:54 < asonge> _cheerios: anonymous instances are basically a shortcut to new Foo(); so you can -> right off the bat?
21:55 < asonge> _cheerios: because you could do User::create()->find() with LSB in 5.3
21:55 < asonge> and not have to implement ::create in every class
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21:56 < _cheerios> asonge, yes. Too verbose that Foo::blah() :<
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22:03 < CIA-57> add typehints to date classes
22:03 < CIA-57> polished the docblocks in the date classes a bit
22:03 < CIA-57> closes #997
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03:38 < Fastly> i don't suppose any of you are awake at this crazy hour?
03:38 < Fastly> heh
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04:08 < MugeSo> Huomenta
04:09 < MugeSo> It's 13:08 in Japan. so not crazy :p
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05:26 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:44 < Fastly> greetings v-dogg, MugeSo :-)
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06:33 < horros> Huomenta.
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07:56 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:16 < _cheerios> wth happened to google apps gmail, the theme is all pastel light suddenly :<
08:46 < MikeSeth> dunno i changed the default one anyway
08:46 < MikeSeth> looks like ass
08:46 < MikeSeth> also huomenta
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09:03 < CIA-57> david * r3691 /branches/1.0/ (7 files in 2 dirs): ported [3690/branches/0.11], refs #997
09:09 < CIA-57> david * r3692 /branches/0.11/ (433 files in 3 dirs): updated timezone database to 2009a, closes #1013
09:10 < _cheerios> im stuck with this one. google apps doesnt have themes like regular gmail, afaict
09:18 < CIA-57> david * r3693 /branches/1.0/ (433 files in 3 dirs): merge [3692/branches/0.11], refs #1013
09:20 < CIA-57> david * r3694 /branches/0.11/src/translation/data/timezones/ (Asia_47_Calcutta.php Asia_47_Katmandu.php Asia_47_Saigon.php): unused timezone cleanup, kind of refs #1013
09:20 < CIA-57> david * r3695 /branches/1.0/src/translation/data/timezones/ (Asia_47_Calcutta.php Asia_47_Katmandu.php Asia_47_Saigon.php): merge [3694/branches/0.11], refs #1013
09:24 < CIA-57> david * r3696 /branches/0.11/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 0.11.6RC2 release preps
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09:25 < Wombert> nom
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09:36 < CIA-57> david * r3697 /tags/0.11.6RC2/: tagging 0.11.6RC2 release
09:37 < CIA-57> david * r3698 /branches/0.11/src/version.php: -dev version info
09:39 < CIA-57> david * r3699 /branches/1.0/CHANGELOG-0.11: 0.11.6RC2 changelog
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09:52 -!- Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: www.agavi.org :: bleeding: 1.0.0beta7 :: testing: 0.11.6RC2 :: stable: 0.11.5 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches, not trunk) :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Bounties
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10:15 < Seldaek> _cheerios: indeed, bu they should be coming, they recently added Labs and themes were following iirc
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10:36 < E_mE> huomenta
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10:53 < CIA-57> david * r3700 /branches/david-stampede_protection/ (964 files in 101 dirs): merge [3546:3699/branches/1.0]
10:55 < CIA-57> david * r3701 /branches/david-stampede_protection/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php: dox
10:59 < _cheerios> Rick, yeah, I'll get my ninjas there too!
11:49 < CIA-57> david * r3702 /branches/david-stampede_protection/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php: hand action groups, not view groups (they don't even exist) to aborted... callback if output type is not cacheable
11:55 < CIA-57> david * r3703 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php): Merged support for anti-stampede callbacks in Execution Filter (from [2448:3702/branches/david-stampede_protection]). Example implementation to follow. Closes #744
11:56 < CIA-57> david * r3704 /branches/david-stampede_protection/: bai branch, refs #744
11:57 < _cheerios> holy batman. was it already 10 months since i pasted that snippet. time flies :<
11:58 < _cheerios> that means I'll have a year of py skills under my belt by summer, and yet I still feel like a n00b with the language.
12:00 < v-dogg> but it'll look good on you cv
12:00 < v-dogg> "can code PHP, Python, HTML, CSS and XML"
12:01 < _cheerios> and javascript!!1
12:02 < v-dogg> oh that too
12:18 < _cheerios> though, "understands Agavi" would probably get more oooh's ;)
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12:19 < horros> http://www.myspace.com/triplesp
12:19 < horros> Ooops.
12:19  * horros slaps mouse
12:20 < v-dogg> yeah, blame that poor thing
12:20 < horros> great coding music though.
12:20  * horros codes with a rage
12:20  * horros tries to put out the fuming keyboard
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12:44 < v-dogg> has anyone ever used lighthouse and managed to create a ticket via email?
12:45 < v-dogg> I'm sending email to the address found in my project's ticket page but nothing happens. no error nothing
12:45 < _cheerios> wrong email likely. use the projects email, not the tickets.
12:46 < v-dogg> I am
12:46 < v-dogg> You can create new tickets for this project by emailing ticket+ ....
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12:48 < _cheerios> "The people who use this email must be a member and must send emails from the email address they use with Lighthouse"
12:49 < _cheerios> http://help.lighthouseapp.com/faqs/getting-started/how-do-i-send-tickets-via-email
12:50 < v-dogg> have read that a million times and checked my profile and email settings two million times ::)
12:50 < _cheerios> tested for the hell of it, and to my coworkers dismay. works.
12:51 < v-dogg> frustrating..
12:51 < _cheerios> could be email lag. i sent from gmail, took about 10+ secs.
12:52 < v-dogg> I sent first tests two days ago :)
12:52 < Wombert> guise
12:52 < v-dogg> what up
12:53 < Wombert> is there anything we can improve about the sample app
12:53 < v-dogg> HA!
12:53 < v-dogg> new email ticket created 
12:54 < v-dogg> and now verifying the problem...
12:54 < Wombert> slow mail servers? :p
12:59 < v-dogg> if I send the ticket from my desktop's thunderbird: no go. If I send it from a webmail it works
13:00 < v-dogg> I was about to blame ISP's SMTP but switching to another one didn't fix it
13:02 < kaos|work_> v-dogg: sounds like some encoding issue
13:03 < Wombert> v-dogg: canhas long finnish word plz
13:03 < Wombert> or horros 
13:03 < Wombert> or ttj 
13:03 < Wombert> or _cheerios 
13:03 < horros> Yes?
13:03 < Wombert> kaos|work_ needs one
13:03 < Wombert> and wanted to crack a joke
13:03 < Wombert> and now I ruined it
13:03 < Wombert> :S
13:03 < kaos|work_> :p
13:03 < Wombert> by asking in here
13:03 < horros> Ah, you need a long finnish word?
13:03 < v-dogg> hääyöaie
13:03 < Wombert> yes, probably to poke fun at v-dogg's email problems
13:04 < Wombert> v-dogg: even I know that's not a word :D
13:04 < horros> Lentokonesuihkuturbiinimoottorialimekaanikkoaliupseerioppilas
13:04 < v-dogg> Wombert: lies!
13:04 < v-dogg> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/h%C3%A4%C3%A4y%C3%B6aie
13:05 < horros> ^^^ That's officially the longest finnish word.
13:05 < v-dogg> I just learned this morning that that word is virtually impossible for a non-finnish speaker to pronounce
13:05 < Wombert> v-dogg: yeah
13:06 < v-dogg> some scientist has study how people with different linguistic background actually hear words differently
13:06 < v-dogg> had
13:07 < horros> Damn Swedes.
13:07 < horros> They have a longer official word :(
13:07 < horros> "nordöstersjökustartilleriflygspaningssimulatoranläggningsmateriel-underhållsuppföljningssystemdiskussionsinläggsförberedelse-arbeten"
13:07 < v-dogg> and apparently foreign people don't hear that word (hääyöaie) the way we do
13:07 < horros> :x
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13:11 < Seldaek> v-dogg: I'm sure we don't read it the same either
13:12 < Seldaek> sounds like someone yawning to me, but that's just my interpretation
13:13 < v-dogg> hehe
13:13 < v-dogg> no, you don't read it same because all you weirdos pronounce letters differently based on other letter in the word
13:14 < v-dogg> where as us Finns don't have to guess how to pronounce a word when we see one :)
13:14 < Seldaek> well that and the fact I have no clue how ot pronounce ä in finnish
13:14 < Seldaek> is it a or o
13:14 < Seldaek> well.. I guess it's not a or o but.. closer to which ? :p
13:15 < Seldaek> ä in swedish is o I think
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13:15 < Seldaek> but then my definition of a may vary from language to language too.. so it's probably pointless to discuss intonations on irc :P
13:17 < MikeSeth> hmmm
13:17 < MikeSeth> any easy way to look up the module a model's in?
13:17 < MikeSeth> models dont have containers
13:17 < MikeSeth> so I can't do getModuleName() anywhere
13:18 < Seldaek> all my models are in /lib :(
13:19 < Seldaek> (but at least I don't have to guess where they are :p)
13:24 < MikeSeth> no I dont need to guess where they are
13:25 < kaos|work_> preg_match(#^([^_]+)$#', get_class($this)); 
13:25 < kaos|work_> *runs*
13:25 < MikeSeth> just wanted to implement a getModel() method in the base model which will imply that the requested model is in the current module unless specified otherwise
13:25  * MikeSeth hugs kaos|work_ 
13:25 < MikeSeth> you know how to crush hope
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13:25 < kaos|work_> this is the only way i could think of
13:25 < MikeSeth> same here
13:25 < kaos|work_> and i probably would _not_ use that ;)
13:25 < MikeSeth> same here
13:26 < MikeSeth> i said fuck it and left the module parameter to be explicit
13:26 < MikeSeth> that's an inconsistency in the API tho
13:26 < kaos|work_> hehe
13:26 < MikeSeth> actions and views belong to modules and can say which module they're in
13:26 < MikeSeth> but models can't
13:27 < kaos|work_> well, models are in generel way to much 'detached' of everything else
13:28 < Wombert> v-dogg: http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/723#comment:4
13:30 < Wombert> v-dogg: two updates
13:31 < Wombert> you can use that
13:31 < Wombert> guise
13:31 < Wombert> cause
13:31 < Wombert> model names now need to be string
13:31 < Wombert> -string +strict
13:31 < Wombert> I think
13:31 < Wombert> like action and view names
13:31 < Wombert> unless they're autoloaded, ofc
13:33 < CIA-57> dominik * r3705 /branches/dominik-routing/src/routing/AgaviRouting.class.php: 
13:33 < CIA-57> - restore params if onMatched returns false
13:33 < CIA-57> - set the module/action directly into the container
13:33 < CIA-57> - fix routes having ignores preventing callbacks to add additional params
13:33 < CIA-57> - only use the parameters of the current route and in callbacks newly created parameters in expandVariables
13:34 < Fastly> hey guys... i have a url structure that goes something like: http://ths/directory/country/city/location OR http://ths/directory/country/state/city/location  i'm keen to have $ro->gen build the appropriate url when supplied the location. here's my current route: http://pastie.org/374152
13:35 < Fastly> i want to avoid having two route "tree" e.g. directory.country.region.city.location and directory.country.city.location
13:35 < Fastly> just directory.country.city.location
13:36 < Fastly> i'm guessing i need to modify <route name="city" pattern="^(/{city:[A-Za-z_0-9]+})"> to include an optional region value
13:37 < Fastly> btw, we're launching tomorrow and the site will pimp agavi on the bottom, so if there's a small button anywhere i'd be happy to add this too :-)
13:38 < Fastly> brb
13:38 < Wombert> Fastly: no button yet. but good idea, that
13:38 < v-dogg> I once made an agavi badge... I wonder where it is :)
13:39 < Fastly> a small version of the icon would look cool
13:39 < Wombert> (/{state:[^/]+})?/(city:[A-Za-z_0-9]+)
13:40 < Wombert> then you do <default for="state">/{}</default> and it will only show up if you pass in a state
13:40 < Wombert> mind you however
13:40 < Wombert> that when you're looking at a city
13:40 < Wombert> with a state
13:40 < Wombert> i.e. current URL is /directory/usa/nc/raleigh/airport
13:41 < Wombert> and you want to generate a URL to /directory/germany/munich/airport
13:41 < Wombert> then you need to explicitly pass null as the state
13:41 < Wombert> oh wait
13:41 < Wombert> that's bollocks
13:41 < Wombert> nevermind
13:41 < Wombert> heh
13:41 < Wombert> :)
13:41 < Wombert> I am wrong
13:41 < Wombert> sorry for the confision
13:41 < Wombert> -i+u
13:42 < Fastly> heh thanks Wombert 
13:43 < Wombert> about curly braces
13:43 < Wombert> you only need them for optional parts
13:43 < Wombert> you want the state optional, AND the slash preceding it
13:44 < Wombert> so for the city, it's not necessary
13:44 < Fastly> so the above is correct
13:44 < Wombert> same with country
13:44 < Wombert> ah no
13:44 < Wombert> you need it there
13:44 < Wombert> because of the {2}
13:44 < Wombert> sorry
13:45 < Wombert> yes, that's correct
13:45 < Wombert> the problem is
13:45 < Wombert> hmmmmmmm
13:45 < Wombert> the problem is the location
13:45 < Wombert> let me think
13:45 < Wombert> yes, that won't work
13:45 < Fastly> btw, i'm happy to open this as an example for the agavi community
13:46 < Wombert> for /directory/germany/munich/airport, it'll detect "munich" as the state and "airport" as the city
13:46 < Wombert> what you could do
13:47 < Wombert> is set a callback on that route
13:47 < Wombert> that checks if the given state is a valid state
13:47 < Wombert> gah that doesn't work either
13:48 < Wombert> gah
13:48 < Wombert> okay, then you need to put it into the country
13:48 < Wombert> with a lookbehind assertion
13:48 < Wombert> like this
13:50 < Wombert> <route name=".country" pattern="^/({iso_id:[a-z]{2}})(/{state:(?=/au|/ca|/us)[^/]+})?">
13:50 < Wombert> sth like that
13:50 < Wombert> lemme try that
13:50 < Fastly> thanks :-)
13:52 < Fastly> brb
13:56 < MrJeep> v-dogg: hi!
13:57 < v-dogg> huomenta
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14:00 < horros> Hmm.
14:00 < horros> Not fun.
14:00 < MrJeep> how are you ?
14:00 < horros> I need to start driving at about six am on March 19th
14:00 < horros> :x
14:01 < v-dogg> horros: for the agile conf?
14:01 < horros> aye
14:01 < horros> unless...
14:01 < horros> I go to Espoo and stay at my brother's place on the 18th
14:02 < v-dogg> and then you can enjoy the new tku-hki freeway 
14:02 < v-dogg> unless their system crash and they need to close it
14:02 < MrJeep> v-dogg: I have thought about our little discussion, event if we didn't agree, I think I made a decision
14:02 < horros> v-dogg: Yeah.
14:02 < horros> With my luck they shut down all the tunnels and I need to drive through Forssa.
14:02 < horros> :)
14:03 < v-dogg> or you get killed by a huge falling piece of rock :)
14:03 < horros> Or that.
14:04 < horros>  Etäisyys 176,3 km Kesto ca 2:20 tuntia 
14:04 < horros> :(
14:05 < Wombert> lolol
14:05 < Wombert> @finland
14:05 < Wombert> see, this is why we don't have speed limits
14:05 < Wombert> no speed signs to break down
14:05 < Wombert> :>
14:05 < horros> http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b279/prostheticsummer/1233085230195.jpg
14:05 < horros> ahahah
14:06 < horros> Can't really see how 180km would take me 2:20 to drive though.
14:06 < horros> Stupid Eniro.
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14:15 < Wombert> Fastly: okay
14:15 < Wombert> 			        <route name=".country" pattern="^/({iso_id:[a-z]{2}})((?&lt;=au|ca|us)/{state:[^/]+})?">
14:15 < Wombert> the &lt; is encoded
14:15 < Wombert> would be a < usually
14:15 < Wombert> so what this does is
14:15 < Wombert> it asserts that the / is preceded by either au or ca or us
14:15 < Wombert> it's called a lookbehind assertion
14:16 < Wombert> this is possible because pre-and postfixes also support regular expression
14:16 < Wombert> that's why you also need to put
14:16 < Wombert> <default for="state">/{}</default>
14:16 < Wombert> into that route
14:16 < Wombert> so it's generated properly
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14:16 < Wombert> the compiled pattern is
14:16 < Wombert> #^/((?P<iso_id>[a-z]{2}))((?<=au|ca|us)/(?P<state>[^/]+))?#
14:16 < Wombert> for those interested
14:16 < Wombert> ;)
14:17 < Seldaek> is there why not just (iso_id:(au|ca|us))?
14:17 < Seldaek> -is there
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14:17 < Wombert> Seldaek: he wants one route for all
14:17 < Seldaek> is there a translation guide somewhere ? was the other question :P
14:17 < Wombert> not separate ones for au/ca/us
14:17 < Seldaek> ah sorry I missed that the state was bound to the other
14:17 < Wombert> and if he doesn't use the lookbehind assertion
14:17 < Wombert> then
14:17 < Seldaek> yeah okay:)
14:18 < Wombert> this: /directory/us/nc/raleigh/airport works fine
14:18 < Wombert> but this: /directory/de/munich/airport would have "munich" in the state and "airport" in the city
14:18 < Wombert> this special case is valid, but there are many cases where people have optional route parts that should be in the query string
14:18 < Wombert> for this very reason
14:18 < Wombert> they can be ambiguous
14:19 < Wombert> however, he's emulating a directory, and directories have such a structure
14:19 < Seldaek> alrighty :)
14:19 < Wombert> Fastly: I reckon you could take it a step further and somehow fiddle in the correct states into the routes for each of the three countries, but that would be a bit much. validaation is sufficient for that (a callback if you really wanna catch it that early, but it's not necessary imo)
14:20 < Seldaek> so.. translation.. any guide somewhere or RTFsourcecode ?
14:20 < Wombert> sample app? :p
14:20 < Seldaek> I hate an idea how it works with gettext and all but I don't know 
14:20 < Seldaek> s/hate/have :p
14:21 < Wombert> and unicode CLDR / LDML docs
14:21 < Wombert> and ICU
14:21 < Seldaek> okay:)
14:22 < Fastly> sample app sound fine - will strip out some details to focus upon the core agavi routing capabilities
14:23 < Fastly> the power of it really isn't apparent when the code is hidden
14:24 < Wombert> does it work, Fastly?
14:24 < Fastly> that, and next month let's put together a wider case study that we discussed 
14:24 < Wombert> Fastly: with "sample app", I was referring to Seldaek ;)
14:26 < Fastly> ahh ok
14:27 < Seldaek> Wombert: can I prevent the /cache cleanup in debug mode ?
14:27 < Seldaek> partly I mean.. cleaning up the config cache sure if you want.. but I'd like to keep my dwoo cache intact
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14:40 < MrJeep> v-dogg: http://www.lemieuxbedard.ca/too-many-model-classes.png
14:40 < MrJeep> This is why I think I'll drop the way I'm using right now
14:40 < MrJeep> and use something a little simplified
14:41 < _cheerios> *g*
14:41 < kaos|work_> MrJeep:  is that editor smultron ?
14:42 < Wombert> Seldaek: set a different path ;)
14:43 < Wombert> smultron is so retarded
14:43 < Wombert> it always saved random corrupt chars to my files
14:43 < Wombert> and stuffs
14:43 < Wombert> but that's not smultron
14:43 < Wombert> is that coda?
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14:44 < Wombert> yeah, coda
14:44 < MrJeep> yeah it is
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14:48 < MrJeep> anyway, v-dogg I just have too much model classes
14:49 < MrJeep> and it makes me feeling lost
14:49 < E_mE> does mysqli allow you to get the field names without performing a query?
14:54 < Seldaek> MrJeep: maybe if you stopped having one model for "one" and one model for "multiple" for each model.. it would help :p
14:56 < E_mE> only thing i can see is mysqli_fetch_fields() but that requires a query before hand :/
14:57 < Wombert> E_mE: EXPLAIN table
14:57 < Wombert> I guess
14:57 < Wombert> not sure
14:58 < Wombert> SHOW COLUMNS FROM table
14:58 < E_mE> ja that works
14:58 < E_mE> :) thank you wombert, will just parse it now :)
14:58 < E_mE> even get datatypes.. perfect
14:58 < MrJeep> Seldaek: exacly, that was the argument of yesterday
14:58 < Wombert> E_mE: it should be in rows and stuff, not sure
14:59 < Wombert> Seldaek: but that's lame
14:59 < Wombert> :<
14:59 < E_mE> ja, its a row of all the attributes in left most column
14:59 < Wombert> I always have finder and instance models
14:59 < E_mE> and then datatype 
14:59 < Seldaek> I have a model.. that can return a data array of multiple "it"
14:59 < Wombert> so guys
14:59 < Wombert> help please
14:59 < Seldaek> or it can be one nice instance
14:59 < Wombert> is there anything the sample app needs
14:59 < Wombert> in terms of cleanup
14:59 < Wombert> now is the time
14:59 < Wombert> (1.0)
15:00 < Wombert> (I changed it a bit already)
15:00 < Seldaek> Wombert: maybe you could have it use a sqlite database with real data in it rather than $users = array('chuck norris'=>...) 
15:01 < Seldaek> just so it looks a bit more real
15:02 < Wombert> yeah I thought about that already
15:02 < Wombert> but then people without sqlite are screwed
15:03 < Seldaek> if you can have xsl, you can have sqlite
15:03 < Seldaek> besides pdo sqlite is on by default now I think
15:03 < E_mE> Wombert: do you also mean displaying examples of usage?
15:04 < Wombert> yeah stuff like that
15:04 < Wombert> nothing too big I guess
15:05 < Wombert> I think I should move header and footer to slots
15:05 < Wombert> and move them to a Slots. or Widgets. action together with the menu
15:05 < E_mE> are there examples of features (for example) on how to gain information from the system
15:05 < E_mE> like me not knowing to use $_SERVER etc
15:05 < Seldaek> yeah it should be simple otherwise grasping it when you get started is too painful
15:05 < Seldaek> for more complex stuff.. we should have that wiki :P
15:05 < E_mE> or is that something you think is better off in the docs
15:06 < Wombert> probably docs
15:06 < Wombert> it'd be like a needle in a haystack, that
15:06 < E_mE> ja fair point
15:07 < E_mE> i proberbly think of something well im least thinking about it hehe
15:07 < E_mE> seems to be the way
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15:16 < Wombert> meh
15:17 < Wombert> php bug
15:17 < Wombert> and if we don't work around it
15:17 < Wombert> agavi wil require 5.2.6+
15:17 < Wombert> meh meh meh meh
15:17 < Wombert> (good I still have 5.2.5 on this box)
15:23 < Macen> i noticed there is no db in the sample app
15:24 < Macen> i still use my own db "layer" or whatever you wish to call it
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15:27 < Macen> there is nothing to be gained from switching and having to learn new code when the interaction with a database is fairly simple
15:28 < E_mE> Wombert: is there PHPUnit examples in the sample app?
15:28 < E_mE> for use with agav
15:28 < E_mE> i
15:29 < Wombert> yes
15:30 < E_mE> YAY! \o/ ive been waiting for those the most :D
15:30 < E_mE> ive always been intregued how you boot up the whole app before running your own tests
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15:31 < Macen> but you still can't access data from $_SERVER? :P
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15:33 < E_mE> ill get alan partridge on your arse if your not careful ;)
15:33 < Macen> oh god no thanks
15:34 < Macen> just no lol
15:34 < Macen> "go away alan"
15:35 < CIA-57> dominik * r3706 /branches/dominik-routing/test/lib/routing/GenSetPrefixAndPostfixRoutingCallback.class.php: update test callback
15:35 < E_mE> "This is a bramley apple turn over, its extremely hot... it may go your way or it may go my way. But either way one of us is going down" ... "Ah Lynn its hotter then the sun"
15:36 < CIA-57> david * r3707 /branches/dominik-routing/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
15:36 < CIA-57> changed routing config handler to only write serialized data to the cached
15:36 < CIA-57> config, instead of PHP code that does the importRoutes() and unserialize() on
15:36 < CIA-57> the var_export()ed string. This is because var_export() in PHP < 5.2.6 escaped
15:36 < CIA-57> null bytes incorrectly, so unserialize() couldn't read the string
15:37 < Macen> oh dear :/
15:42 < CIA-57> dominik * r3708 /branches/dominik-routing/src/config/defaults/autoload.xml: add autoload for legacy callback
15:53 < Wombert> great
15:53 < Wombert> php segfaulting
15:53  * Wombert stabs
15:55 < MrJeep> Wombert: you're using model much like the ones I use ?
15:55 < MrJeep> finder model and instance model?
15:56 < MrJeep> that was the discussion I had with v-dogg yesterday
15:56 < MrJeep> I'm wondering what's best
15:57 < MikeSeth> i dont think there's a best way
15:57 < MikeSeth> depends entirely on your application's needs
15:57 < Wombert> I don't use models
15:58 < Wombert> I don't code applications
15:58 < Wombert> :)
15:58  * MikeSeth blushes
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16:00 < MikeSeth> lol @ my code
16:00 < MikeSeth> 				    default:
16:00 < MikeSeth> 					$p = '??? >_<';
16:04  * impl grumbles
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16:23 < MrJeep> huh
16:29 < Wombert> VITTU
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16:40 < MrJeep> hum, okay
16:40 < MrJeep> i guess I'll just have to listen to my own common sense
16:41 < MrJeep> and believe I'm doing the best thing
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16:49 < _cheerios> time to head home
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16:50 < hashZILLA> i thought the sample app could do with an example of how to integrate a js lib...
16:51 < Wombert> yeah
16:51 < Wombert> will do that for 1.1
16:51 < Wombert> just small tweaks for now
16:51 < hashZILLA> k
16:53 < MrJeep> how to integrate a js lib ?
16:53 < MrJeep> create /pub/js
16:53 < MrJeep> donwload mootools to /pub/js
16:53 < MrJeep> then in the master <script.....
16:53 < MrJeep> This is how I would do it :P
16:55 < impl> yeah ... :P
16:59 < Wombert> anyone on 5.2.6?
16:59 < Wombert> and anyone on 5.2.5?
16:59 < Wombert> MrJeep?
16:59 < Wombert> v-dogg?
16:59 < MrJeep> let me check
16:59 < Wombert> horros?
16:59 < Wombert> Fastly?
16:59 < Wombert> fnordfish?
17:00 < MrJeep> im on 5.2.5
17:00 < Wombert> graste?
17:01 < Wombert> svn co http://svn.agavi.org/branches/dominik-routing && cd dominik-routing/test && php run-tests.php --include-suite Routing
17:02 < impl> Wombert: PHP 5.2.6-1+lenny2 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 (cli) (built: Jan 26 2009 22:41:04)
17:02 < impl> they may have fucked with it though
17:02 < Wombert> impl: what happens there?
17:02 < Wombert> impl: try anyway ;)
17:03  * impl is. but svn up takes a while.
17:05 < impl> Wombert: I'm getting 'E' for every single one
17:05 < impl> oh
17:05 < impl> lool
17:05 < impl> Your default timezone is 'System/Localtime', which likely means that you're
17:05 < impl> running Debian, Ubuntu or some other Linux distribution that chose to include a
17:05 < impl> useless and broken patch for system timezone database lookups into their PHP   
17:05 < impl> package, despite this very change being declined by the PHP development team for
17:05 < impl> inclusion into PHP itself.
17:05 < impl> :DDDD
17:07 < Wombert> oh my god
17:07 < impl> Wombert: It works fine here, no segfaults reported, not even in /var/log
17:07 < impl> OK (67 tests, 104 assertions)
17:07 < Wombert> impl: it should show
17:07 < Wombert> 1) testGenWithCallbackExpectIncomingParameterIsEncodedAndCanBeDecoded(AgaviWebRoutingTest)
17:07 < Wombert> RuntimeException: 
17:07 < Wombert> if it segfaults
17:07 < Wombert> (hence no message)
17:07 < impl> nope
17:07 < impl> all good
17:07 < Wombert> k
17:07 < impl> :>
17:08 < Wombert> MrJeep?
17:08 < Fastly> 5.2.8
17:08 < impl> you know what I blame
17:08 < impl> OS X
17:08 < Wombert> Fastly: that works ;)
17:08 < Wombert> Fastly: already tested
17:08 < Fastly> hmm.. we've been here before ;-)
17:08 < impl> THIS IS NOT THE XSL BUG
17:08 < Fastly> i wanted to throw my shiny new macbook out the window
17:08 < Fastly> love it now
17:09 < impl> bbiaf
17:09 < Wombert> mine is developing bright stains on the keys
17:09 < Wombert> from simply being used
17:09 < Wombert> like regular pc laptops
17:09 < Wombert> where the matte keys get shiny over time
17:09 < Wombert> uncool
17:10 < Wombert> and at the palmrest, the aluminum oxidizes a bit I think
17:10 < Fastly> hah i bought the dinky new wireless apple keyboard
17:10 < Wombert> but luckily, that cannot be seen unless viewed from the side
17:10 < Wombert> Fastly: 79 bucks for that - no way
17:10 < Fastly> i got a reduction
17:11 < Fastly> whilst buying the cinema screen at the apple store... best xmas present (to myself) ever
17:11 < fnordfish> Wombert?
17:11 < Wombert> fnordfish: what's your php version?
17:12 < fnordfish> nope - i'm on 5.2.8
17:12 < fnordfish>  got a linux live server on 5.2.6
17:12 < liutis> PHP Version 5.2.6-2ubuntu4
17:13 < Wombert> 5.2.5 is what I need
17:13 < Wombert> :)
17:13 < liutis> |-)
17:15 < CIA-57> david * r3709 /branches/dominik-routing/src/routing/AgaviRouting.class.php: fix a sodding segfault
17:15 < fnordfish> got a 5.2.4 ;)
17:16 < fnordfish> haha - found a PHP 5.2.5 (cli) (built: Apr 19 2008 18:03:19) 
17:16 < fnordfish> Copyright (c) 1997-2007 The PHP Group
17:16 < fnordfish> Zend Engine v2.2.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2007 Zend Technologies
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17:23 < CIA-57> david * r3710 /branches/dominik-routing/src/routing/AgaviRouting.class.php: dox
17:24 < graste> Wombert: are there any known issues with fragment caching? testing with apache benchmark and concurrent access seems to mess up the performance
17:24 < graste> we use caching callbacks at some points to define group keys
17:25 < graste> stampede protection is not merged yet, i reckon?
17:25 < Wombert> no, and you need to implement it yourself
17:26 < graste> could the callbacks be a problem?
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17:27 < Wombert> graste: depends on what they do
17:27 < Wombert> graste: did you pre-warm the cache once
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17:27 < Wombert> and then benchmark?
17:28 < graste> yep, pre-warming should've been done
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17:28 < Wombert> return something static from your callbacks and see what the result is ;)
17:28 < graste> callbacks are using things from the global request I think (but no database queries)
17:29 < Wombert> no, that wouldn't be a problem
17:29 < Wombert> you can use global request data as cache keys without callbacks, btw
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17:29 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php#L266
17:31 < graste> yeah, we know
17:31 < graste> hm
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17:58 < horros> Wombert: You called, sir?
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18:14 < CIA-57> david * r3711 /branches/dominik-routing/test/tests/unit/routing/AgaviWebRoutingTest.php: AgaviRoutingValue tests, refs #448
18:15 < CIA-57> david * r3712 /branches/dominik-routing/src/routing/AgaviRouting.class.php: allow null as value in an AgaviRoutingValue, refs #448
18:16 < _cheerios> hmm
18:17 < Wombert> (that stuff is neat)
18:18 < _cheerios> are there any internets problems in germany atm? my host (hetzner) doesnt seem to be responding for meh ips
18:18 < Wombert> yes
18:18 < Wombert> hetzner has had a bigass downtime today
18:18 < Wombert> power supply
18:18 < Wombert> in RZ3, RZ4, RZ5 and RZ9
18:19 < _cheerios> okay, explains the "no route to host"
18:19 < Wombert> you prolly need the rescue system for a manual filesystem check
18:19 < Wombert> no, it's been up again since 11:40
18:19 < Wombert> _cheerios: http://www.hetzner-status.de/
18:19 < _cheerios> manual fsck? sounds like possible trouble :<
18:19 < impl> Our technicians working with pressure to solve the problem. 
18:19 < impl> Our technicians working with pressure to solve the problem. 
18:19 < impl> Our technicians working with pressure to solve the problem. 
18:20 < Wombert> Nevertheless please note that due to numerous failed servers, the recovery of all servers will take some hours. Disturbance notices can be sent to rz3@hetzner.de. The handling time will be several hours. 
18:20 < impl> Wombert: ARE YOU WORKING WITH PRESSURE?
18:20 < Wombert> impl: germans :p
18:20 < Wombert> impl: 1800psi
18:20 < impl> :D
18:20 < Wombert> (is that a lot?)
18:20 < Wombert> (fuck the sodding imperial system)
18:20 < _cheerios> After the return of power supply at 11:40 am approx. 9,400 servers from around 12,000 failed servers have booted autonomous. Further 2,100 servers are meanwhile up again. Presently 350 servers are still not available.
18:20 < impl> I don't know, I don't understand imperial pressure units
18:21 < _cheerios> The maintenance work on the UPS systems are still running.
18:21 < _cheerios> We expect to close the maintenance work at around 10:00 pm.
18:21 < _cheerios> After that the UPS will run in normal operation. 
18:21 < _cheerios> i guess i'll just wait some more
18:21 < impl> I can do mm Hg and Pa
18:22 < Wombert> impl: 
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18:25 < _cheerios> busy day at work, didn't have time to check my own stuff at all! :<
18:25 < Wombert> _cheerios: that's why it's called "work"
18:25 < Wombert> and that's why you're getting paid :p
18:29 < _cheerios> bleh, and ofc the db server is the one that doesnt want to boot
18:31 < _cheerios> Wombert, hopefully employed in 2009 without losing a job atleast once in these times!
18:31 < Wombert> :)
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18:31 < Wombert> gotta go catch ze tube
18:31 < Wombert> bai
18:32 < Wombert> owwwwww
18:32 < Wombert> new lost episode waiting @~
18:32 < Wombert> fabulous
18:32  * Wombert &
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18:41 < _cheerios> hmm, running repair table on a 20gig table probably means it's going to take a moment *yawn*
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20:08 < _cheerios> fug. still repairing :<
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20:17 < kaos|work_> _cheerios: a repair table usually does a full table copy
20:17 < _cheerios> gaah. as long as this'll be over by midnight :<
20:18 < kaos|work_> which takes ages unless you'r on some really fast hdds ;)
20:18 < _cheerios> reminds me, anyone been running master-master mysql here lately?
20:18 < kaos|work_> uuuh
20:18 < kaos|work_> you sure you want to do that ?
20:19 < kaos|work_> or rather: why would you want to do that ?
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20:22 < _cheerios> just to not need slave->master promotion when the master dies
20:22 < _cheerios> less hassle, more availability. hopefully.
20:24 < kaos|work_> from what i heard you should really try to avail using master-master with mysql
20:25 < kaos|work_> and what's your problem about slave to master promotion ?
20:25 < kaos|work_> you can basicly just use the slave as master
20:25 < kaos|work_> you'd just need to take special care before bringin the master back up
20:25 < _cheerios> i've read such too, but it should be fine, as long as writes only go to the other master. It'll be like master-slave, except the slave can take over instantly, without me needing to look after.
20:26 < kaos|work_> nothing really stops you from writing to a slave
20:27 < _cheerios> in master-master situation, you mean?
20:28 < _cheerios> it'd be upto the software doing the right thing, yer, more error-prone than master-slave, deffo.
20:28 < kaos|work_> no, even in master slave
20:28 < _cheerios> there you can, just mark the slave read-only?
20:28 < kaos|work_> you just get 'problems' when reintroducing the master
20:29 < _cheerios> you can try to write, but those writes wont go anywhere
20:29 < kaos|work_> well, i'm not thaaat much into all that master slave stuff
20:29 < kaos|work_> but i know that i've (and not only once) accidently wrote stuff to the slave
20:29 < _cheerios> it's a my.cnf config. if you're using master-slave, i recommend setting it.
20:29 < kaos|work_> and this stuff gets stored in the slave
20:29 < kaos|work_> oh, it
20:29 < kaos|work_> is not my job to edit my.cnfs 
20:30 < kaos|work_> luckily :D
20:30 < _cheerios> :)
20:30 < kaos|work_> but then you still could just remove that setting with a script if the master goes down ;)
20:31 < kaos|work_> but as i said, you'd need to take special care then when bringin the master back up
20:31 < kaos|work_> and i really don't know about the master-master situation
20:31 < kaos|work_> but i _think_ if you really just use one master for writing
20:31 < _cheerios> in master-slave the real problems continue when the master is up, and you need to start syncing :<
20:31 < _cheerios> *(old) master
20:31 < kaos|work_> yeah, that's what i'm referring to
20:32 < kaos|work_> then master-master _should_ work
20:32 < _cheerios> im hopin' m-m will help this, and there seemed to be some nice scripts on the internets to help with this (they diff the db for you, and sync)
20:32 < _cheerios> http://www.maatkit.org/
20:32 < kaos|work_> well, you should be able to restore the (down) master from the binlog of the (up) master
20:33 < _cheerios> "This tool offers unique synchronization algorithms that can efficiently find and resolve differences between two MySQL tables, which need not be on the same server. A smart DBA can repair an out-of-sync slave server without reloading all the data in a fraction of the time otherwise required. It is the only such tool that can optionally operate over replication, guaranteeing consistency and avoiding race conditions."
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20:33 < _cheerios> binlogs :< i hate when mysql tells me the binlogs are wack out of number or something.
20:34 < kaos|work_> well, replication wont work w/o them
20:34 < kaos|work_> the only other thing you could do is using mysql cluster
20:34 < kaos|work_> but that probably only _works_ if you have a mysql enterprise package
20:35 < _cheerios> true. it's just that when i've had trouble it's usually gone to "sigh, okay, start over by dumping in all data from other server"
20:35 < kaos|work_> where the mysql guys can fix your server ;)
20:35 < _cheerios> im not going to mysql cluster. have enough trouble understanding mysql, and getting that right!
20:35 < kaos|work_> yeah, fiddling around in the binlog is a pita, but luckily this isn't my job either xD
20:36 < _cheerios> 1 row in set (1 hour 44 min 49.79 sec) \o/
20:49 < _cheerios> whee, back online
21:01 < _cheerios> cant wait to get this old mojavi junker replaced with the shiny agavi one. life will be so much easier.
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21:12 < MrJeep> hum, just wondering.. why did you forked mojavi to create agavi ?
21:12 < MrJeep> I mean, a few years ago
21:12 < MrJeep> when agavi was created
21:15 < MrJeep> v-dogg: after a lot of thinking, I've decided I'm not going to use instance model anymore. They are most of the time too much trouble for their actual use
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21:29 < asonge> MrJeep: mojavi wasn't really being that actively developed
21:31 < Wombert> it was dead
21:37 < impl> oh shit
21:37 < impl> I forgot about ze bugs
21:37 < impl> and spent an extra hour just talking to people
21:43 < _cheerios> i got nothing done this evening so far :<
21:49 < MrJeep> me neither
21:49 < MrJeep> :)
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22:44 < Wombert> nn guise
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23:13 < saracen> Is there a decent way to get active routes for link highlighting? Atm I compare $ro->gen(null) to the urls in the menu. There a better way than this?
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23:30 < MrJeep_> I have a filter for this
23:31 < MrJeep_> this is basicly how I compare route
23:31 < MrJeep_> http://pastie.org/374701
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23:36 < impl> wtf did Wombert do to my build system
23:36 < impl> ARGH
23:36 < impl> WTF
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23:39 < impl> gawd he should be banned from touching this shit
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23:54 < MrJeep_> lawl
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00:22 < CIA-57> impl * r3713 /branches/1.0/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix project configuration system user-specified template extension bugs, closes #1002, #1003
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01:56 < Fastly> hey is anyone here?
01:56 < impl> Ja
01:57 < Fastly> i'm getting this error:
01:57 < Fastly> [Fri Jan 30 01:54:07 2009] [error] [client 81.86.33.27] PHP Fatal error:  AgaviDoctrineDatabase::require() [<a href='function.require'>function.require</a>]: Failed opening required 'Doctrine.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear:/usr/share/php') in /home/default/ths3/htdocs/lib/agavi/1.0.0beta7/src/database/AgaviDoctrineDatabase.class.php on line 89
01:57 < Fastly> trying to load my project up to the live server
01:57 < impl> Did you install Doctrine? :P
01:58 < Fastly> i put require_once('/home/default/ths3/htdocs/lib/doctrine/1.1.0-RC1/Doctrine.php');  in the doctrine.php
01:58 < Fastly> yes, it's included as an svn:external in the project
01:58 < impl> I think it tries to require it before then
01:58 < impl> I would simply set the include path in your config.php
01:58 < impl> to include the directory where Doctrine.php resides
02:03 < Fastly> cool... 1 step closer to launch
02:03 < Fastly> now:
02:03 < Fastly> [Fri Jan 30 02:03:15 2009] [error] [client 66.249.72.194] PHP Fatal error:  Class 'BaseSupplier' not found in /home/default/ths3/htdocs/app/models/doctrine/Supplier.php on line 
02:05 < Fastly> hmm...
02:08 < Fastly> now this is weird
02:08 < Fastly> i confirmed that both Supplier.php and BaseSupplier.php are in place
02:09 < Fastly> BaseSupplier siting an a subdirectory called /generated where Supplier.php is
02:09 < Fastly>  /home/default/ths3/htdocs/app/models/doctrine/generated
02:10 < impl> mmm, is it not autoloading properly maybe? :s
02:10 < impl> dunno :\
02:10 < Fastly> adding the the folder containing Doctrine.php to include_path in config.php fixed the above
02:10  * impl doesn't have any experience with Doctrine
02:11 < Fastly> however the above generated folder casues the same issue
02:11 < Fastly> k 
02:11 < Fastly> how are you doing, anyway?
02:11 < impl> alright, doing some coursework atm :>
02:11 < impl> you?
02:11 < Fastly> are you also going to this london php conf next month?
02:11 < Fastly> launching new version of website...
02:11 < impl> nah, I don't have the funds for that
02:12 < impl> well, I figured, but besides that... ;p
02:23 < Fastly> you're right
02:23 < Fastly> it is an autoload issue
02:23 < Fastly> i added this manually to autoload.xml :
02:23 < Fastly> <autoload name="BaseSupplier">%core.app_dir%/models/doctrine/generated/BaseSupplier.php</autoload>
02:23 < Fastly> hmm...
02:23 < Fastly> now it's asking for the next class
02:24 < Fastly> methinks this isn't working: spl_autoload_register(array('Doctrine', 'autoload'));
02:32 < impl> yeah... agreed
02:32 < impl> I dunno why
02:32 < impl> maybe something is wrong in your doctrine config ?
02:33 < impl> set to your development path or so?
02:38 < Fastly> all my paths are relative, not absolute, and the directory structure is the same
02:38 < Fastly> unless there's something hidden away
02:39 < Fastly> i'm adding about 40 new autoloads now
02:39 < Fastly> which should do the trick in the short ter
02:39 < Fastly> will post to the mailing list if i don't find a proper solution
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06:41 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:23 < horros> huomenta
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07:44 < _cheerios> huomenta
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09:56 < _cheerios> woot. php5.3beta1 http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/php-src/NEWS?revision=php_5_3_0beta1&view=markup
10:07 < Macen> they finally fixed _everything_?
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12:11 < v-dogg> hmm... *big design decisions*
12:11 < v-dogg> *much pressure*
12:11 < horros> I also have big decisions to make.
12:12 < horros> I'm just about to chuck the laptop off the balcony and head off to the local boozer and get shitfaced.
12:12 < _cheerios> IT'S FRIDAY!!!!!!!!!!1
12:15 < horros> Yes!
12:16  * horros Klamydia - Pilke silmäkulmassa
12:16 < horros> \o/
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13:42 < Fastly> horros: LOL
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14:05 < v-dogg> "Welcome to Agavi! You successfully created your first project! Awesome!"
14:05 < v-dogg> not quite my first but thanks anyway :)
14:06 < v-dogg> new generation of the software was just started \o/
14:07 < v-dogg> several bad design choices made years ago are about to get wiped \o/
14:08 < v-dogg> I'm on fire and high on caffeine \o/
14:08 < v-dogg> I can't get my hands down \o/
14:13 < horros> :D
14:15 < horros> hehe
14:16 < horros> My being annoyed seems to shine through the commit messages.
14:16 < horros> (In [2410]) <snip> If I never ever *ever* have to _ever_ touch that fucking miserable heap of stinking horse shit ever again, I'll be a happy camper. 
14:18 < MrJeep> good morning !
14:18 < MrJeep> friday, finally !
14:18 < v-dogg> installed netbeans and now reading the quick start tutorial...
14:18 < v-dogg> where are all the netbeans fanboyz?
14:19 < v-dogg> you one of them horros?
14:19 < horros> Yessir!
14:26 < v-dogg> quite a few "possible accidental assigment" warnings...
14:26 < Seldaek> yeah those are fucking stupid
14:26 < Seldaek> but it's possible to disable somewhere
14:27 < horros> v-dogg: You can turn them off.
14:28 < horros> Tools => Options => Editor => Hints
14:28 < MrJeep> why does the editors with the most features have to be made in java
14:28 < horros> Because Java = WIN!
14:28 < MrJeep> netbeans, eclipse. zend studio
14:28 < MrJeep> beh
14:29 < MrJeep> java speed on my office computer = huge fail
14:29 < Seldaek> yeah but java developers are numberous
14:29 < horros> Well, don't write code on your old P2 266 then :P
14:29 < Seldaek> all those university drones :p
14:29 < Seldaek> so they gotta do something right?
14:30 < horros> And also, don't run JDK 1.3.x :P
14:30 < v-dogg> to be honest, I don't have any major issues with Eclipse/PDT so I don't know why I'm wasting my time with netbeans now :)
14:30 < Seldaek> I concur, I found it very hard to like netbeans coming from eclipse
14:31 < Seldaek> it's likely you'll be pissed at some stuff and just never open it again :p
14:31 < MrJeep> not a p2 266 but close
14:31 < MrJeep> dual 2ghz mac pro g5
14:32 < horros> Seldaek: I came from eclipse.
14:32 < horros> I instantly fell in love with NetBeans.
14:32 < Seldaek> I can't stand the UI style mainly
14:32 < Seldaek> I know it's stupid
14:33 < v-dogg> can I filter out app/cache/* from being indexed by the code hinting?
14:35 < horros> Not sure.
14:35 < horros> Move it outside the project :P
14:35 < Seldaek> or move netbeans off your computer :P
14:35 < v-dogg> that's what I've been doing now
14:36 < v-dogg> I couldn't do it with eclipse either
14:37 < horros> Google is being useless again.
14:39 < _cheerios> http://85.25.144.122/nn/0/242/933/457527.jpg
14:39 < v-dogg> haha
14:40 < horros> ha
14:40 < v-dogg> one in return http://apina.biz/12185.jpg
14:42 < _cheerios> lol
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15:03 < Wombert> http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=47206 please vote (and maybe comment if you can be arsed), this would otherwise affect Agavi 1.0
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15:10 < Seldaek> done
15:11 < Seldaek> I wish they'd just allow different overrides without bitching
15:12 < Seldaek> as long as the parent's function signature is still compatible with the child.. I don't see the problem
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15:14 < horros> Voted.
15:14 < Wombert> Seldaek: it's not, due to type hints
15:15 < Seldaek> Wombert: well.. as long as it's more restrictive than the parent, imo it is.
15:15 < Seldaek> well no 
15:15 < Wombert> nope Seldaek 
15:15 < Wombert> :)
15:15 < Seldaek> in this case it doesn't apply
15:15 < Wombert> the only thing that's wrong about their e_strict stuff is optional args
15:15 < Seldaek> but my argument still stands :p
15:15 < Wombert> if you have ($foo) and subclass with ($foo = 'lol')
15:15 < Wombert> that gives an e_strict
15:16 < Seldaek> yup 
15:16 < Wombert> which sucks
15:16 < Seldaek> and you can't do $foo => $foo, $bar
15:16 < Seldaek> imo you should be able to do that too
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15:20 < liutis> voted.
15:20 < horros> Told my co worker to vote too.
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16:10 < E_mE> can i set caching lifetime="24 hours" attribute to be a specfic day of the month or so?
16:17 < Wombert> no, E_mE 
16:17 < Wombert> that's not possible
16:17 < Wombert> strtotime() can't do that
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16:26 < E_mE> Wombert: maybe this could be an improvement for caching? 
16:26 < Wombert> E_mE: it's not possible
16:27 < E_mE> even without using strtotime() , create a custom date checker?
16:27 < Wombert> well then it would be possible
16:27 < Wombert> but for that, you should rather buy Derick a couple of beers so he implements it in strototime()
16:28 < E_mE> kind of create a library to say  lifetime="monthly on 1" for every months on the frist =P
16:28 < E_mE> heheheh, that could be a good path
16:29 < E_mE> didnt relise he was the maintainer of the datetime aspect of php hehe
16:30 < Macen> lifetime="30 days" ???
16:30 < Macen> gotta run
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16:32 < horros> Wombert: How would strtotime() do that?
16:33 < Wombert> horros: well its broken
16:33 < Wombert> thursday 16:00 gives next thursday
16:33 < Wombert> friday 23:00 gives today
16:33 < Wombert> but friday 09:00 also gives today
16:33 < horros> hmm.
16:33 < Wombert> which is a bit weird, but the way strtotime() works
16:33 < Wombert> it needs a "future" keyword or so
16:33 < Seldaek> you can do monday + 5 days for example to get a bit more interesting results
16:34 < horros> I can talk to him about it.
16:34 < Wombert> horros: I did suggest this to him
16:34 < Wombert> he liked it
16:34 < horros> I'd assume there's some reason why it works like that. I know Derick is a bit of a datetime nazi :)
16:34 < Wombert> but said it wouldn't be until a couple of months that he'd start implementing it
16:34 < Wombert> horros: I think it's the same way C's strtotime() works
16:34 < horros> Yah.
16:35 < Seldaek> I think it's because it evaluates terms one by one 
16:35 < Seldaek> so friday sets the time to today and then 09:00 sets it to today at 9am
16:35 < E_mE> Derick is a nice chap :) i spoke to him breifly at phpnw :)
16:36 < Wombert> yes Seldaek 
16:36 < Wombert> likely
16:37 < horros> Derick is brilliant. I've known him for years.
16:39 < saracen> I've slept with him!
16:40 < E_mE> hoho
16:40 < saracen> =(
16:41 < E_mE> he let you down saracen and not called you back?
16:41 < saracen> They never do :(
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16:43 < E_mE> saracen: i wouldnt do that to you ;) hoho
16:44 < Seldaek> horros: I gotta admit, netbeans integration of things rocks compared to eclipse where everything is a bunch of plugins by different teams
16:44 < Seldaek> I'll try to force myself into using it for a while see what happens
16:45 < Seldaek> I guess the sucky GUI issue will fade with time
16:45 < horros> You can use phpdoc to set types for variables in the latest nightlies now too
16:45 < Seldaek> nice nice
16:45 < Seldaek> although I don't have the nightly..
16:46 < E_mE> netbeans is working well for me
16:46 < E_mE> better then eclipse
16:46 < E_mE> well certainly less problems
16:49 < Seldaek> once thing that pisses me off already is the task scanning thingy that doesn't seem to cache anything
16:49 < Seldaek> one*
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17:03 < _cheerios> an apple, a whiskey shot and off to the gym we go ->
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18:02 < saracen> Hmm, I must be missing something ;x
18:03 < saracen> My validators trigger handleError(), but not the Error view. Not even if I return 'Error' from handleError
18:05 < saracen> Sigh, nm. I was putting login in the wrong view =(
18:06 < Wombert> nomnom
18:06 < saracen> logic*
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18:47 < _cheerios> mmm.... jelly donut
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18:52 < CIA-57> david * r3714 /branches/dominik-routing/test/ (4 files in 3 dirs): tests involving objects and routing values and callbacks
18:55  * Wombert stabs his RSI
18:55 < Wombert> VITTU
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19:50 < v-dogg> anyone using gears?
19:50 < v-dogg> or some other similar product?
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19:51 < _cheerios> that clientside db thingy from google?
19:51 < v-dogg> and take two for Wombert :
19:51 < v-dogg> 21:50 < v-dogg> anyone using gears?
19:51 < v-dogg> 21:50 < v-dogg> or some other similar product?
19:51 < v-dogg> _cheerios: yeah
19:51 < _cheerios> no, not using, as it requires downloading it.
19:52 < impl> [reddit] http://code.google.com/p/blackgold/issues/detail?id=3
19:53 < _cheerios> "Hans Reiser may have some suggestions regarding problems of this type."
19:59 < Wombert> nope
19:59 < Wombert> v-dogg: did you see ze ticket
19:59 < Wombert> wrt Calendar::roll()
19:59 < v-dogg> php.net?
19:59 < v-dogg> oh that
20:00 < v-dogg> yes, I did and I'm planning to try it next week
20:01 < MrJeep> I hate tards...
20:01 < v-dogg> I'm actually going to need a calendar view soon so it'll come handy
20:01 < Wombert> "Point the 'localhost' entry in your hostfile to an external ip and deny everything." chch
20:01 < Wombert> v-dogg: I was under the impression that you pointed dominik at this issue
20:01 < Wombert> or not?
20:02 < v-dogg> what do you mean "pointed"?
20:04 < Wombert> v-dogg: didn't you have a problem with roll()
20:04 < Wombert> and asked dominik
20:04 < Wombert> and then he got confused ;)
20:04 < Wombert> and make this ticket?
20:05 < v-dogg> not sure anymore but I think he had opened the ticket before I came across the problem
20:05 < v-dogg> but yes, I had problems building a calendar view
20:06 < v-dogg> using roll() or add(), don't remember anymore
20:06 < v-dogg> but I still have the test code somewhere (at the office)
20:06 < v-dogg> I'll test this next week
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03:36 < asonge> anyone alive here, i think i've found a bug
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03:50 < impl> asonge: k
03:50 < impl> what is it :~
03:55 < aka> you know finding bugs isn't taht great unless you can help get it fixed
03:55 < aka> impl: should we call his number? :DF
03:55 < asonge> impl: i found a but, it was fixed, but it's since regressed
03:55 < asonge> impl: this wasn't the bug i talked about 20 min ago though
03:55 < impl> are they BOTH still bugs?
03:56 < asonge> one was a typo by me
03:56 < asonge> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/808 has regressed in trunk
03:56 < asonge> or should i be using branches?
03:56 < impl> you should be using branches/1.0
03:56 < impl> lols
03:56 < impl> trunk hasn't been touched in years
03:56 < asonge> lol
03:56 < aka> haha
03:56 < asonge> that would explain some weird things
03:57 < impl> last commit to trunk is 6 months ago
03:57 < aka> haha good to know that :D
03:57 < impl> it's in the channel topic :>
03:57 < asonge> my window isn't that wide.
03:58 < impl> :D
04:05 < asonge> is it me, or does var_dump'ing anything with context infinitely loop?
04:06 < impl> var_dump should be able to stop that behavior
04:06 < asonge> well, it isn't.
04:06 < impl> try installing xdebug
04:06 < asonge> i've got to remove it
04:06 < asonge> and reinstall it
04:09 < asonge> ah-hah, it stopped it (i forgot to change the extension dir, i feel stupid)
04:09 < impl> :x
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08:14 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:39 < _cheerios> it's not saturday, it's BSG day \o/
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09:09 < v-dogg> huomenta
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12:53 < saracen> Is there any way to set automatic redirection to the Login page as a HTTP redirect, rather than an internal forward?
12:56 < twenty-three> you could extend the AgaviSecurityFilter and set the Location header instead of creating a forward container
12:58 < saracen> good idea =) Thanky ou
12:58 < saracen> you*
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13:00 < saracen> Hmm, i could just check that its been forwarded in the actual login action, and redirect from there also I guess ;x
13:01 < graste> twenty-three: :P
13:03 < twenty-three> saracen, yeah you could - it's a bit simpler - but with overriding you could save one execution filter run :)
13:03 < twenty-three> graste, good morning =)
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13:41 < saracen> CONFUSION
13:42 < saracen> Is there something specific I should be calling my classes if they're in a subdirectory of the /app/models folder?
13:49 < Wombert> why, saracen?
13:49 < Wombert> I mean why redirect to login?
13:49 < Wombert> hmm
13:50 < Wombert> and yes
13:50 < Wombert> redirecting from the login action is better
13:50 < Wombert> because that is specific to web pages
13:50 < Wombert> and not really something to put in the security filter
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14:30 < saracen> Wombert: Doesn't matter. I was just being lazy. I wanted to do it so the "login" link would be highlighted on the page :)
14:30 < saracen> But, i just expanded the functionality so I could highlight any meny item from the view
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14:41 < horros> Huomenta.
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15:17 < Wombert> wtf is going on with google
15:18 < Wombert> the german one
15:18 < Wombert> oO
15:25 < Wombert> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/31/google-flags-whole-internet-as-malware/
15:25 < Wombert> :>
15:26 < _cheerios> :)
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15:49 < MrJeep_> hi
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15:51 < matbtt> Huomenta! Is there any recommendation how to implement a RESTful application with Agavi? I'm not really sure, how to do this. Agavi maps HTTP method to verbs, e.g. GET = read. So I have to implement executeRead. But with REST I do have resources and resource collections differenciated by the URI, e.g. /accounts and /accounts/1. Is there a possibility to map them to two different methods, e.g. executeReadAll, executeRead? Thx for help 
16:00 < Wombert> matbtt: those are two different resources
16:00 < Wombert> a list of items, and a specific item
16:00 < Wombert> so you'd have two different actions
16:00 < Wombert> matbtt: you can use the routing to modify the request method
16:00 < Wombert> or constrain a route to a specific method
16:01 < Wombert> e.g. <route name="foo" pattern="^/bar$" constrain="write" method="yabbadabbadooh" />
16:01 < Wombert> that matches /bar, only if the request method is "write", and changes teh request method to yabbadabbadooh
16:02 < Wombert> matbtt: in REST, you'd have one action representing an item usually
16:02 < Wombert> like... ProductActiomn
16:02 < Wombert> with read(), write(), delete() and create() methods
16:02 < Wombert> (or remove? don't know the default mappings off the top of my head)
16:02 < Wombert> also, the standard mappings are not *too* useful for rest
16:02 < Wombert> usually, you post to /products in rest to create a new one
16:03 < Wombert> and put to /products/12345 to change a specific product
16:03 < Wombert> however, two problems:
16:03 < Wombert> a) PUT input is moved to a file no matter what the content type is
16:03 < Wombert> b) you can only process urlencoded input at the moment
16:04 < Wombert> i.e. if you want your rest service to *accept* json in put and post payloads, you need to have a custom request implementation
16:04 < matbtt> ...thx for the detailed answer. 
16:04 < Wombert> a soltuion for this is scheduled for 1.1
16:04 < Wombert> but it's not trivial
16:04 < Wombert> in case of json, we could simply decode it and treat the stuff as request params
16:04 < Wombert> but in case of xml, it really gets tricky
16:04 < Wombert> and decoding xml to something meaningful at the time the context starts up is next to impossible
16:04 < Wombert> because only the action really knows how to deal with the data
16:05 < Wombert> matbtt: but you made me think
16:05 < Wombert> I think I should change the PUT handling to decode urlencoded data to request params (if the content type is form/urlencoded or whatever it is)
16:05 < Wombert> what do you think?
16:07 < Wombert> yeah I think that would be good
16:08 < matbtt> ......two resources = was my first idea and if you break it down to the roots of REST you will end up with this approach. However I have to admit that I took a closer look how its implemented in Rails and they have one controller the resource and the collection. Regarding PUT handling: I think the change would make sense. 
16:08 < Wombert> I think rails' approach is nonsense, tbh
16:08 < Wombert> see the problem is
16:08 < Wombert> a website is not restful
16:09 < Wombert> you have these... useless "resources" that are used to allow humans to do things
16:09 < Wombert> like modify a product
16:09 < Wombert> and pretty much everyone uses get for that
16:09 < Wombert> that's why most people have edit actions and view actions and delete actions
16:09 < Wombert> the probably best approach would be to have a product action
16:09 < Wombert> with four execute methods that handle the actual rest stuff
16:10 < Wombert> and then additional ones with "made up" request methods for the web forms
16:10 < Wombert> executeDeleteForm()
16:10 < Wombert> or so
16:10 < Wombert> which returns an input view or something
16:11 < Wombert> especially in that contect decoding urlencoded data in the case of PUT would make sense
16:11 < Wombert> otherwise, your "update" action on the web wouldn't quite work
16:11 < Wombert> since forms can't PUT
16:11 < Wombert> I'll implement this later for 1.0
16:13 < Wombert> bbiab; I'd be happy to continue this discussion matbtt 
16:14 < Wombert> I've never really talked to anyone who actually ventured on the undertaking of building a *true* RESTful interface on top of agavi
16:14 < Wombert> but I still guess that of all frameworks, it's the one that gets the job done best because it doesn't make too many assumptions that lock it in to the "webpage" stuff
16:15 < matbtt> ...really? I thougth REST is the next big think :)
16:15 < matbtt> thing
16:15 < Wombert> matbtt: good one
16:15 < Wombert> most people out there are struggling to grasp the concept of client/server and things being stateless ;)
16:16 < matbtt> :)
16:16 < Wombert> it's hard enough to convey the idea that an ajax response should be determined from an Accept: header
16:16 < Wombert> and not from a different url
16:17 < Wombert> people have five optional parts in their "latest product" url, with sort order and pagination and filters and booh
16:17 < Wombert> all those should be query string args
16:17 < Wombert> etc etc
16:17 < Wombert> gonna be a long way, but I agree that REST is lovely
16:17 < Wombert> now, really, bbiab
16:19 < matbtt> ...ok, thx again for sharing your views! I'll try to apply them... :)
16:35 < E_mE> what are peoples opinions on using an external library for managing RSS feeds with a challenge programming task for a Job oppertunity?
16:36 < E_mE> i think its sensible as it shows your not going to waste your time writing a RSS feed library if one already exists?
16:36 < E_mE> opinions pleeeaseeeee 
16:43 < Wombert> yes
16:43 < Wombert> matbtt: one important thing.... change the mapping of agavi's request methods/verbs
16:44 < Wombert> it maps POST to write and PUT to create by default
16:44 < Wombert> simply because web pages work that way (they usually only have "read" and "write" operations)
16:44 < Wombert> it'd probably be helpful to change this mapping to create/retrieve/update/delete for POST/GET/PUT/DELETE
16:45 < E_mE> Wombert: that a yes to my statement?
16:45 < Wombert> yes E_mE 
16:45 < E_mE> ;D cool
16:45 < asonge> how do i grab valies from the module's settings.xml?
16:45 < asonge> *values
16:46 < matbtt> ...Wombert: Thx for the hint. If I don't err you mentioned that on agavi mailing list...
16:47 < matbtt> sometime ago
16:47 < Wombert> asonge: AgaviConfig::get('modules.modulename.*')
16:47 < Wombert> asonge: lowercase module name!
16:47 < asonge> thanks
16:49 < Wombert> matbtt: if you say so... I don't remember that, though my memory is comparable to that of a goldfish
16:49 < Wombert> :)
16:49 < Wombert> I think I'll compile a list of things to blog about later
16:49 < Wombert> had quite some ideas lately for articles on features
16:49 < Wombert> REST comes to mind, but also SOAP stuff, or how to do form error insertion nicely etc
16:50 < Wombert> could do a weekly blog article then, showcasing a feature
16:50 < Wombert> -could +will
16:50 < Wombert> it's badly needed
16:54 < asonge> man, creating a simple db manager in doctrine is going to be *easy*
16:55 < asonge> Wombert: one thing that agavi seems to really be asking for is premade module repos with an installer
16:55 < asonge> but there's other things that are more important
16:56 < matbtt> Wombert: http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/browse_thread/thread/336cf81f6766f0ff/a7a1b394bda1d943?lnk=gst&q=REST+PUT#a7a1b394bda1d943 :)
16:58 < matbtt> Wombert: Don't be afraid, you're not the only one how feels sometimes like a goldfish. A blog about features would be awesome
16:58 < horros> Wombert: What does "Klänge und gesänge" mean?
16:59 < matbtt> I'm stupid who knot how, argh... should quit for today
17:01 < matbtt> horros: real question?
17:02 < horros> Pardon?
17:02 < horros> Yeah, it is a real question.
17:02 < horros> My German skills are a bit rusty.
17:02 < matbtt> "Klänge" = german plural of Klang, Klang = sound or tone
17:02 < horros> Yeah, it's the "gesänge" that I'm uncertain about :)
17:03 < matbtt> "Gesänge" = german plural of Gesang, Gesang = singing or vocals
17:03 < horros> Ah, right!
17:03  * horros listens to Stomper 98 - Für die Ewigkeit
17:04 < horros> Vereint & stark!
17:04 < horros> \o/
17:07 < horros> Hmm.
17:08 < horros> "Niemand hat gesagt das es leicht wird" = Nobody has said it will be easy?
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17:15 < Wombert> lol matbtt 
17:15 < Wombert> see
17:15 < Wombert> that is what I mean
17:15 < Wombert> goldfish
17:15 < Wombert> I had the very same idea before
17:15  * Wombert sighs
17:16 < matbtt> ...therefore I leave know for a beer and some ... poker!
17:17 < Wombert> enjoy
17:19 < matbtt> ...thx
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17:21 < v-dogg> huomenta
17:22 < v-dogg> sinus infection </3
17:23 < horros> Oh dear.
17:23 < v-dogg> feels like my cheeks are about to explode
17:24 < horros> v-dogg: Put some water to a boil, chop up some fresh thyme, boil for a little while, inhale fumes :)
17:24 < v-dogg> yeah, was going to do that but without any herbs
17:25 < v-dogg> I doubt we even have thyme
17:25 < horros> Basil works pretty well too.
17:25 < v-dogg> no, I _know_ we don't have any _fresh_ thyme :)
17:25 < horros> Everyone should have fresh thyme!
17:25 < horros> It's the bestest herb evar!
17:26 < v-dogg> I'll keep that in mind :)
17:26 < v-dogg> but now supper for the little missus
17:30 < Wombert> ugly, v-dogg 
17:30 < Wombert> had that last year
17:30 < Wombert> it's very annoying
17:31 < Wombert> shake your head a bit or jump up and down :D
17:31 < horros> Shake all that snot right up to your forehead!
17:31 < horros> :D
17:34 < Wombert> yeah but
17:34 < Wombert> don't blow your nose too hard, v-dogg 
17:34 < Wombert> that only makes it worse
17:34 < Wombert> gently, or the stuff gets into your brain or eye socket
17:34 < horros> Actually, you shouldn't really blow your nose at all
17:34 < Wombert> and then you die or get blind
17:34 < Wombert> ewwwww
17:34 < Wombert> *horror*
17:35 < horros> v-dogg: Also, have some SIPULIMAITO!
17:35 < horros> You're _bound_ to have the ingredients to that!
17:35 < horros> (milk and onions)
17:35 < horros> :D
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18:01 < v-dogg> horros: I have some garlic flavoured chips? would that work?-) 
18:01 < v-dogg> and teh missus is away so I can eat them without any background noise :)
18:03 < horros> haha
18:03 < v-dogg> hellasärö (~stove noise) in Finnish
18:03 < horros> :D
18:11 < asonge> is there any reason why i can't use %modules.dogma.agavi.template.directory% in output_types.xml
18:12 < Wombert> yes
18:12 < asonge> Wombert: what should i use instead?
18:12 < Wombert> the module info is loaded when the module is first used
18:12 < Wombert> you can't do that
18:12 < asonge> so, i'd need to just do something static based off %core.template_dir% ?
18:14 < Wombert> hmm
18:14 < Wombert> you could use a variable instead
18:14 < Wombert> ${lulz}
18:14 < Wombert> and then set that on the respective layer in your module's base view's setupHtml() method
18:14 < Wombert> which reads the value from its module.xml
18:15 < Wombert> $layer->setParameter('lulz', ...);
18:15 < Wombert> that's the best I can offer, I think
18:16 < asonge> i'm counting on other places in the code for the module to remain static, so i think i can just do %core.template_dir%/Dogma/templates
18:17 < asonge> rm, not template_dir
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18:39 < _cheerios> sipulimaito <3<3 x_X
18:40 < horros> _cheerios++++++++++
18:40 < horros> Sipulimaito is the bestest thing evar when you have the flu!
18:40 < _cheerios> i had some in xmas. not much, but some. then i decided to hit the medication harder instead.
18:43 < horros> hehe
18:43 < horros> Hmm, it's off to the boozer!
18:43 < horros> \o
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19:06 < asonge> i'm having some issues getting an action to route http://pastie.org/376115 is what i have
19:07 < Wombert> impl: poek
19:08 < Wombert> the anchor at the end, asonge 
19:08 < Wombert> is the problem
19:08 < asonge> which one?
19:08 < Wombert> you need to remove the $, obviously
19:08 < Wombert> and then you have the problem that /dogmalololol matches that, too
19:08 < Wombert> so you need to move .index to a sub-route
19:09 < Wombert> all of them, actually, asonge 
19:09 < Wombert> if a route has children
19:09 < Wombert> then you must not anchor the pattern at the end
19:09 < asonge> okay, i'll go reread the routing
19:09 < Wombert> asonge: that has nothing to do with the routing
19:09 < Wombert> asonge: it's PCRE basics
19:09 < asonge> i get the anchoring
19:09 < asonge> i just misremembered the routes i deleted
19:11 < Wombert> asonge: http://pastie.org/376121
19:11 < Wombert> module, action etc are inherited from the parent route
19:12 < Wombert> (not really inherited; the information is simply set by hte parent route as it matches)
19:12 < Wombert> action and name attributes with a leading dot don't overwrite the parent value, but instead get appended to it
19:12 < asonge> i see, thanks
19:13 < Wombert> asonge: http://pastie.org/376121
19:13 < Wombert> updated
19:14 < Wombert> asonge: I'd do it different though
19:14 < asonge> please advise then
19:15 < Wombert> asonge: http://pastie.org/376127
19:15 < Wombert> sorry
19:15 < Wombert> asonge: reload http://pastie.org/376127
19:16 < Wombert> so you have /
19:16 < Wombert> and /tables
19:16 < Wombert> and /tables/12345
19:16 < Wombert> also, create
19:16 < Wombert> mmm
19:16 < Wombert> reload http://pastie.org/376127 again, asonge 
19:17 < Wombert> grr and again
19:17 < asonge> lol
19:17 < asonge> i just noticed my own error having create after the name of the table
19:17 < Wombert> the important thing is
19:17 < Wombert> as the routes with children must not be anchored at the end
19:17 < Wombert> that their actual action must be in a child
19:18 < Wombert> with a ^$ pattern
19:18 < asonge> yeah, i get it
19:18 < Wombert> so only that specific string matches for them
19:18 < Wombert> k
19:18 < asonge> that way /tableblah doesn't match
19:18 < Wombert> exactly
19:18 < Wombert> the actions are then nested
19:18 < Wombert> know how that works?
19:18 < Wombert> you have directories then
19:19 < Wombert> the 1.0 sample app has examples of that (svn only)
19:19 < Wombert> it uses the same structure
19:19 < asonge> yeah, that's what i was peaking through when you started pasting stuff at me
19:19 < asonge> :)
19:19 < asonge> you really don't learn everything until you actually start doing it a lot
19:21 < MrJeep_> hum
19:21 < MrJeep_> need a little bash script help :s
19:21 < MrJeep_> I'm trying to put the current directory into a variable
19:21 < MrJeep_> CURRENT_DIR={pwd}
19:21 < MrJeep_> I don't remember how to put the result of a command into a variable
19:22 < asonge> FOO=$( pwd )
19:22 < asonge> iirc
19:23 < asonge> yep
19:23 < MrJeep_> thnx
19:23 < MrJeep_> :)
19:37 < asonge> Wombert: ah, you threw me for a loop, you prefixed a . on Tables :)
19:37 < Wombert> I fixed that, asonge 
19:37 < Wombert> [20:17] Wombert: grr and again
19:37 < asonge> i refreshed and didn't see it, lol
19:37 < Wombert> :p
19:38 < asonge> it's nice though that somebody actually thought things through instead of copying the rails version of mvc
19:39 < asonge> i'm actually enjoying learning this
19:39 < Wombert> rails is not mvc
19:39 < asonge> i know, it claims to be
19:39 < Wombert> rails is a bunch of trade-offs to look shiny
19:39 < Wombert> and then it bites you in the arse when things get complicated or big or hectic
19:39 < asonge> zend framework is worse, honestly
19:40 < Wombert> zend framework has one big problem
19:40 < Wombert> it calls itself a framework, but it offers no such framework as guidance
19:40 < Wombert> you hire someone who claims to know ZF and he will have no idea what your project looks like
19:40 < Wombert> because ZF offers no standardized approaches
19:40 < Wombert> it's a toolkit, not a framework
19:40 < asonge> not only that, it's a bitch to use their recommended MVC structure and actually use inheritence
19:40 < asonge> well...there's a "suggested" project structure
19:41 < asonge> but the way they do autoloaders, you can't actually extend any classes
19:41 < asonge> without hacking up something ugly
19:42 < asonge> so if you want several of your "controller action" classes to inherit generic behavior...good luck
19:42 < Wombert> their autoloader... don't get me started on that one
19:42 < Wombert> did you file a bug with them, v-dogg?
19:43 < Wombert> I have an account for their bug tracker in case you can't be bothered to fucking send them an email and wait for *a human person to create an account for you*
19:43 < Wombert> at least it used to be that way some time ago
19:43 < Wombert> horrid
19:43 < Wombert> cause their autoloader... it simply tries to include the file
19:43 < Wombert> so retarded
19:43 < Wombert> it doesn't even to a file_exists(), or a check if the class name starts with Zend_
19:44 < asonge> namespacing will be nice, but i've since stopped rushing to it
19:45 < v-dogg> Wombert: nah, didn't file anything
19:45  * asonge goes off to cook lunch
19:45 < v-dogg> might to so next week when I prolly need to work more with Zend stuff
19:46 < v-dogg> s/to/do/
19:46  * v-dogg goes to bed
19:46 < v-dogg> night
19:48 < Wombert> bai v-dogg 
19:50 < krycek__> is agavi forge going to be launch together with 1.0 final?
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19:53 < krycek__> *launched
20:26 < _cheerios> http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/722109 // cool stuff
20:27 < _cheerios> kids pics, of all things :)
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22:39 < _cheerios> lulz, waldo's people to represent finland in eurovision
22:42 < _cheerios> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybbNQnSPseA
22:42 < _cheerios> the ending of the video is a nice touch
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23:48 < _cheerios> fear the mighty /
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