--- Log opened Sat Nov 01 00:00:07 2008
00:02 < _cheerios> better_name_, i'd suggest composing, like I mentioned earlier
00:02 < bobbytek2> better_name_: you really do need a better name :)
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00:02 < bobbytek2> bobbytek5 is available if you act fast ;)
00:03 < better_name_> bobbytek2: sorry if it's not clear enough... my english is not very good... but what i'm trying to achieve is separate parts of my layout but not like is done with slots, becouse i already have the data... and i dont want to execute another action
00:03 < bobbytek2> so basically, you just want to execute mulitple views and compose them?
00:04 < better_name_> yes
00:04 < bobbytek2> Well, I would say you should create a simple reusable action that can do this task
00:04 < bobbytek2> I kinda did this for my email Model
00:04 < bobbytek2> I wanted to be able to create an email from a template from within an action
00:05 < bobbytek2> which is actually pretty easy to achieve
00:05 < better_name_> but i'm afraid it would be slow.. no?
00:05 < bobbytek2> Why wouldn't you think that?
00:06 < better_name_> because it has to execute all filters and validations again
00:06 < bobbytek2> Have you benchmarked it?
00:06 < bobbytek2> Sounds premature if you haven't
00:07 < better_name_> not actualy... i thougth in creating a action from an action... but sounds the wrong way to go... that's way i'm here asking another opinions
00:08 < better_name_> do you have this code to share?
00:08 < bobbytek2> yeah, if you want it
00:09 < bobbytek2> http://pastie.org/305232
00:09 < bobbytek2> The meat of the code is in send()
00:09 < bobbytek2> the basic idea is to buffer the output and capture it with $container->getResponse()->getContent();
00:10 < better_name_> i'll try something like that then
00:10 < better_name_> thanks bobbytek2
00:10 < bobbytek2> np
00:12 < bobbytek2> keep in mind that I am very new to agavi
00:12 < bobbytek2> :)
00:12 < bobbytek2> But this approach was recommended by Wombert
00:13 < better_name_> that's the right way then :)
00:13 < bobbytek2> Style wise, Wobert says that setting the attributes like I did was a bad idea
00:13 < bobbytek2> However, I don't know why you don't just use slots
00:13 < bobbytek2> Just have an action that just has a default view name
00:15 < better_name_> what you did is exactly what setting a slot would do, but you have more control over the content and how to use it
00:15 < better_name_> that is what i want
00:16 < bobbytek2> right, I basically reimplemented a slot like mechanism
00:17 < Strzalek> Please don't kill be. But looking at symfony and admin gen is quite powerfull and speed up development a lot. I'm thinking of try sf in near future
00:17 * bobbytek2 kills Strzalek
00:18 < Strzalek> Yeah. But this is true ;)
00:19 < Strzalek> A lot of things there are lame but admin gen is cool. You type sth on console and you have it. Maybe sth add and forget about it. Foward to next
00:19 < bobbytek2> Well, why not RoR, that will speed up dev even further!
00:20 < Strzalek> I'm also looking at RoR, Django
00:20 < Strzalek> bobbytek2: I'm big Agavi fan, but I would like to speed up dev
00:21 < Strzalek> In Agavi I don't have possibility to do this now. Maybe in the far future will be some scaffold
00:22 < bobbytek2> For some dumb reason, agavi isn't passing my params to the validator (min/max)
00:23 < bobbytek2> Anyone have a working min/max example for number validator in 1.0 beta5 ?
00:23 < bobbytek2> :/
00:24 < bobbytek2> wait, I figured it out
00:24 < bobbytek2> they added new elements to the validation files
00:24 < bobbytek2> grr
00:26 < bobbytek2> and holy shit balls, is debug slow
00:27 < bobbytek2> too bad there is a bug in 1.00beta5 that prevents me from disabling it
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01:43 < Wombert> ohai
01:53 < bobbytek2> Oh, hi.
01:54 < bobbytek2> Wombert, I found the source of my validation woes
01:54 < bobbytek2> apparently min max are attributes now :/
01:54 < Wombert> ?
01:54 < Wombert> eh?
01:54 < Wombert> wat?
01:54 < bobbytek2> and don't work with element
01:55 < Wombert> huh?
01:55 < bobbytek2> one sec
01:55 < bobbytek2> http://pastie.org/305337
01:55 < bobbytek2> that works
01:56 < Wombert> uh!?
01:56 < Wombert> nah
01:59 < Wombert>
01:59 < Wombert> that will give you a config validation exception if you had validation on
02:05 < Wombert> bobbytek2: that is a 1.0 config file, right?
02:05 < Wombert> 1
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03:34 < bobbytek2> Wombert: that's the only way I could get it to work
03:34 < bobbytek2> I stepped through the code
03:34 < bobbytek2> I tried 1, etc.
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04:57 < better_name_> bobbytek2
04:57 < better_name_> Access to request data is locked during Action and View execution and while
04:57 < better_name_> templates are rendered. Please use the local request data holder passed to your
04:57 < better_name_> Action's or View's execute*() method to access request data.
04:58 < better_name_> some idea? i'm creating a new AgaviRequestDataHolder to pass to createExecutionContainer method
05:00 < impl> Those don't conflict
05:00 < impl> You can create as many new RDHs as you want
05:00 < impl> you just can't edit the global one
05:03 < better_name_> but i'm changing nothing in the global one
05:03 < impl> So... what's the problem then?
05:06 < better_name_> dont know... http://pastie.org/305374
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05:41 < better_name_> ok... i've found the problem
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08:19 < MikeSeth> huomenta
08:20 < MikeSeth> how are we all doing?
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09:04 < v-dogg> huomenta
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09:47 < Wombert> bobbytek2:
09:47 < Wombert> ...
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13:28 < bobbytek2> Wombert: Well, I think I see what happened
13:29 < bobbytek2> I upgraded, turned on transformations, tested and didn't remove caching
13:29 < Wombert> ...
13:29 < Wombert> bobbytek2:
13:29 < Wombert> [02:59] Wombert:
13:29 < Wombert> [02:59] Wombert: that will give you a config validation exception if you had validation on
13:29 < Wombert> [03:05] Wombert: bobbytek2: that is a 1.0 config file, right?
13:29 < Wombert> [03:05] Wombert: 1
13:29 < Wombert> not sure why you have transformations _on_ and validation _off_
13:29 < Wombert> is invalid
13:29 < Wombert> use parameters
13:29 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.0beta5/UPGRADING#L13
13:30 < bobbytek2> I'm going to retry now :)
13:33 < bobbytek2> http://pastie.org/305453
13:34 < bobbytek2> http://pastie.org/305454
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13:34 < Wombert> dude
13:34 < Wombert> read what I wrote
13:34 < Wombert> ...
13:34 < Wombert> [14:29] Wombert: [03:05] Wombert: 1
13:34 < Wombert> UPGRADING also shows it
13:34 < bobbytek2> dude, read what I post
13:34 < Wombert> bobbytek2: ...
13:35 < Wombert>
13:35 < Wombert> not what's so difficult about that
13:35 < bobbytek2> oh!
13:35 < Wombert> ...
13:35 < bobbytek2> I didn't realize it was part of the ae namespace
13:35 < bobbytek2> I thought it was from the default one
13:35 < bobbytek2> I'm a retard
13:36 < bobbytek2> Sorry, cause the use of ae seems to be inconsistent
13:36 < Wombert> no
13:36 < bobbytek2> Some files work
13:36 < bobbytek2> some not
13:36 < Wombert> it's for , and elements
13:36 < bobbytek2> I thought parameter was part of the validation schema
13:36 < Wombert> yes, not all config handlers have been ported to the new config infrastructure yet
13:36 < bobbytek2> my bad
13:36 < Wombert> (that's one of the reasons why 1.0 is still in beta)
13:37 < bobbytek2> Hey, MikeSeth said I should use it :)
13:37 < bobbytek2> But I understand
13:37 < bobbytek2> I'm not complaining :)
13:37 < Wombert> <:
13:38 < bobbytek2> okay, everything is cool
13:38 < bobbytek2> btw, the ae isn't in the sample app
13:43 < bobbytek2> Wombert: How is everything Agavi?
13:44 < Wombert> it is, actually
13:44 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/modules/Default/validate/SearchEngineSpam.xml
13:45 < bobbytek2> oh, I'm taking about stage3
13:45 < bobbytek2> that's what mike was telling me to reference
13:45 < bobbytek2> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/documentation/trunk/stages/stage3/app/modules/Public/validate/PostComments.xml
13:46 < MikeSeth> oh hai
13:46 < MikeSeth> did I break somnething?
13:46 < bobbytek2> Or is that the wrong branch?
13:47 < Wombert> no MikeSeth :p
13:47 < Wombert> that is the docs
13:47 < Wombert> and that file _does_ work
13:47 < Wombert> if you have transformations on
13:47 < Wombert> and as in that example
13:48 < bobbytek2> I have to understand what special xslt magic is happening
13:48 < bobbytek2> is transformations purely for backwards compat?
13:48 < bobbytek2> or forwards compat?
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13:52 < bobbytek2> Okay, I didn't have transformations on :)
13:52 < bobbytek2> And really, why would I?
13:53 < bobbytek2> (want to)
13:55 < MikeSeth> Wombert: do I have like 45 mind?
13:55 < MikeSeth> min*
13:57 < bobbytek2> MikeSeth: I would help you, but I have to run
13:57 < bobbytek2> ;)
13:58 < MikeSeth> bobbytek2: david is about to pick me up
13:58 < MikeSeth> thats what i meant
13:58 < bobbytek2> j/k!
13:58 < bobbytek2> As if *i* could help *you*!
13:59 < bobbytek2> are the parameters and errors container elements optional?
13:59 < MikeSeth> please, my skillz aren't that m4d. I just like consistency :>
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13:59 < MikeSeth> for validation?
13:59 < bobbytek2> And how can I link to the schema for in editor validation
13:59 < bobbytek2> yes
13:59 < bobbytek2> I like a man who likes consistency :)
13:59 < bobbytek2> A man after me own heart :)
14:00 < Wombert> MikeSeth: yea go ahead
14:00 < MikeSeth> well you need to specify arguments at the very least
14:00 < MikeSeth> but e.g. you dont have to supply parameters or errors
14:00 < bobbytek2> I mean, I see 2 ways of using errors in parameters
14:00 < Wombert> parameters
14:00 < Wombert> ?
14:00 < bobbytek2> within and and without them
14:01 < bobbytek2> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/modules/Default/validate/Login.xml
14:01 < bobbytek2> check out the first example
14:02 < bobbytek2> since no schema was linked to in the instance doc, I really have no clue if it is valid or not
14:04 < bobbytek2> but then in other examples, and are without their parent container elements and resp.
14:04 < bobbytek2> eg. http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/modules/Default/validate/SearchEngineSpam.xml
14:05 < bobbytek2> for n00bs, that's confusing :/
14:06 < bobbytek2> can't we use xsi:schemaLocation for this purpose in the examples?
14:06 < bobbytek2> That way it will always be clear
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14:07 < MikeSeth> oooh look who woke up :
14:07 < MikeSeth> :D
14:07 < bobbytek2> hey kaos|work_ :)
14:07 < kaos|work_> hello :>
14:08 < bobbytek2> MikeSeth: Does what I wrote make sense?
14:10 < bobbytek2> bbiab
14:10 < MikeSeth> kaos|work_: I figured out the coffee machine :D
14:10 < kaos|work_> heh
14:10 < MikeSeth> bobbytek2: hmmm
14:10 < bobbytek2> But before I go, are the schemas hosted online?
14:10 < kaos|work_> was like ultra complicated, eh ? :P
14:10 < MikeSeth> bobbytek2: we should really fix all the example code to use the new schema
14:11 < MikeSeth> especially my tutorial
14:11 < MikeSeth> ill do it soon
14:11 < Wombert> yes MikeSeth true
14:11 < MikeSeth> sooner if someone opens a tickets and assigns it to me :D
14:11 < Wombert> bobbytek2: we use RNG over XSD, at least at the moment, which has no formal mechanism to associate a schema to an instance document
14:12 < bobbytek2> Wombert: Why are there so many schema types?
14:12 < bobbytek2> Why not just use xsd?
14:12 < Wombert> because xsd sucks
14:12 < bobbytek2> I see xsd there though
14:12 < bobbytek2> is that out dated?
14:13 < Wombert> we're moving to RNG
14:13 < Wombert> xsd is for the old formats
14:13 < bobbytek2> ah
14:13 < Wombert> we'll have to see how it goes. maybe we use a combination of the two
14:13 < Wombert> xsd is definitely not enough
14:14 < Wombert> agavi will always only ever support the latest config format and only ship with schemas for those latest formats
14:14 < bobbytek2> What feature is it missing?
14:14 < Wombert> BC is maintained through XSL
14:14 < Wombert> well
14:14 < Wombert> you can't declare the root element of a file
14:14 < Wombert> which alone makes it pretty useless
14:14 < Wombert> also, it has no proper concept for interleaved element sequences
14:14 < Wombert> it's been a pain so far
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14:15 < Wombert> but RNG, on the other hand, does not give _any_ meaningful error messages
14:15 < Wombert> we need to see if we can do something about that
14:15 < bobbytek2> agavi will always only ever support the latest config format and only ship with schemas for those latest formats
14:15 < bobbytek2> So why are there old schemas then?
14:16 < Wombert> because it's beta
14:16 < bobbytek2> In the latest code, there are xsds
14:16 < bobbytek2> oh
14:16 < bobbytek2> okay, "ship
14:16 < Wombert> and because not all handlers have been ported yet, as I said
14:16 < MikeSeth> Wombert: we should get freenode host cloaking with agavi in the name
14:17 < bobbytek2> Wombert: but for validators, those are currently being validated with rng, correct?
14:17 < bobbytek2> basically anything that has a .rng file is using that?
14:18 < Wombert> MikeSeth: I applied over a year ago
14:20 < bobbytek2> Having never used RNG before, there schema format does seem a lot easier to read
14:21 < bobbytek2> *their
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14:27 < MikeSeth> Wombert: bug the staffers
14:31 < Wombert> MikeSeth: did
14:31 < Wombert> MikeSeth: go?
14:32 < MikeSeth> what?
14:32 < Wombert> lets go?
14:32 < Wombert> :>
14:32 < Wombert> omw
14:32 * Wombert &
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14:32 < MikeSeth> 16:03 if you arent here in 45 mins then I can watch an episode of heroes or dexter
14:32 < MikeSeth> heh
14:33 < MikeSeth> ok 1 moar coffee & cig
14:33 < MikeSeth> <3 all
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14:52 < _cheerios> frackin' ubuntu. can't they get their stuff working again - latest kernel still freezees both my office + home box.
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15:37 < bobbytek2> MikeSeth: Are you and Wombert next door neighbors?
15:37 < _cheerios> practically twins *g*
15:43 < bobbytek2> Is there a technique for populating disabled fields after an invalid form submission with FPF?
15:43 < bobbytek2> Since they are not part of the request, they will not be availble to the FPF
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16:03 < bobbytek2> MikeSeth: you around dude?
16:03 < bobbytek2> I think I found a solution, but want to bounce it off someone
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16:35 < MikeSeth> i am now
16:35 < bobbytek2> niceness
16:36 < bobbytek2> http://pastie.org/305232
16:36 < MikeSeth> ummmm
16:36 < MikeSeth> I dont think you have to do that
16:36 < MikeSeth> I mean
16:37 < MikeSeth> FPF knows how to repopulate forms
16:37 < MikeSeth> in case of validation errors
16:37 < bobbytek2> did you read my context though?
16:37 < bobbytek2> disabled form fields aren't submitted
16:37 < bobbytek2> so how would FPF know where to get the value from?
16:37 < MikeSeth> not sure how that works exactly tho.. gonna write a manual on that soon
16:38 < bobbytek2> well, a user agent will not transmit a disabled form field
16:38 < bobbytek2> So it won't ever be in $rd
16:39 < MikeSeth> hmpf
16:39 < bobbytek2> Some other mechanism must be used to notify FPF
16:39 < MikeSeth> so does this work?
16:39 < bobbytek2> yes
16:39 < bobbytek2> it does
16:39 < MikeSeth> nice
16:39 < bobbytek2> otherwise that particular field is empty
16:40 < bobbytek2> it might be nice if FPF added a hidden field for disabled fields or something
16:40 < bobbytek2> with a naming convention that could be used to rebind it on error
16:41 < bobbytek2> Who maintains FPF?
16:41 < MikeSeth> i dont think anyone specifically does
16:41 < MikeSeth> but you should open a ticket or something
16:41 < bobbytek2> I mean, how familiar are you with it's code?
16:42 < MikeSeth> not at all
16:43 < MikeSeth> FPF is one of those voodoo places where you only go when you have to :>
16:43 < MikeSeth> kaos|work_: you awake yet?
16:43 < bobbytek2> hehe
16:43 < impl> voodoo like
16:43 < impl> 1000 lines of code nobody understands
16:43 < impl> not even Wombert
16:43 < bobbytek2> code comments can help :)
16:43 < impl> nevarrrrr
16:43 < MikeSeth> we'll refactor all of this eventually
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16:53 < bobbytek2> Wombert: I had to do the following to get disabled field forms repopulated after an invalid submit: http://pastie.org/305232
16:53 < bobbytek2> Does that seem right to you?
16:53 < Wombert> !?
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16:54 < Wombert> disabled form fields do not submit in the browser
16:54 < Wombert> how can the framework repopulate them
16:54 < bobbytek2> with hidden fields
16:54 < bobbytek2> anyways
16:54 < bobbytek2> does this look like a reasonable solution?
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17:27 < bobbytek2> if a post parameter doesn't pass validation, it isn't available in $rd?
17:31 < bobbytek2> http://www.palinaspresident.us/
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18:32 < v-dogg> bobbytek2: by default, yes that's the way it goes
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18:35 < Wombert> http://mootools.lighthouseapp.com/projects/2706/tickets/98-hash-implementation-broken-by-design#ticket-98-8
18:35 < Wombert> fail
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18:37 < MikeSeth> Wombert: FACEPALM
18:38 < Wombert> so lame, srsly
18:38 < MikeSeth> its not a hash table
18:39 < MikeSeth> why did they call it hash
18:39 < MikeSeth> i mean if its just a frigging wrapper about js object..
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18:47 < Strzalek> huomenta
18:47 < nfq> MikeSeth: yeah, you're right.. I've told Jan to fix it
18:48 < nfq> but apparently it's going to break and bla bla
18:49 < Strzalek> Are there some agavi devs ;) ?
18:50 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: no we're all hiding from you :D
18:50 < Strzalek> Yeah MikeSeth, I know :]
18:50 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: I have topic to disscuss
18:50 < Strzalek> Admin Generator
18:51 < MikeSeth> oh that's gonna be a flamewar straight up
18:51 < Strzalek> Yes I know :]
18:51 < MikeSeth> got any specific idea that solves all the obvious problems for such an endeavour?
18:52 < Strzalek> I tryied to make schema of it on the paper on the morning, and I was thinking all day about it
18:52 < v-dogg> CRUD scaffolding last night, admin generator tonight...
18:52 < Strzalek> and I thing it isn't hard to write
18:52 < v-dogg> should we reserve tomorrow night for form helpers and the next night for ajax actions :)
18:53 < Strzalek> No, no no, helpers sux
18:53 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: no, the question is only how to make this universally applicable for all cases and configurations
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18:54 < Strzalek> Ok, so what are the cases? It never will be universal. And I don't want that. I just want to create administration in my project in 50-70% from console.
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18:54 < Strzalek> v-dogg: why you don't like the idea of admin generator or scaffolding?
18:54 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: well, you may or may not have a database, and you may or may not have an orm
18:55 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: oh we do. But we dont think this kind of thing may be universal enough to be bundled with the framework
18:55 < Seldaek> can anyone tell me how should the url be rewritten to index.php exactly (aka how does it read the "source url" and how should it look) ?
18:55 < Seldaek> i.e. I have /foo/bar
18:56 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: so dou you have some tools for private use?
18:56 < Seldaek> right now it is rewritten to /index.php?/foo/bar&
18:56 < v-dogg> Seldaek: you were using lighttpd, right?
18:56 < Seldaek> which doesn't work except when viewing /
18:56 < MikeSeth> Seldaek: enable .htaccess and it'll go away
18:57 < Seldaek> MikeSeth: lighttpd.
18:57 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: I have a pseudo-crud generator filter which consumes Doctrine ORM objects an knows how to create forms/save/validate them
18:57 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: but that's really not the kind of thing that you can share across projects unless theyre very similar
18:57 < Strzalek> Can you share?
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18:57 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: not really, it's company's property
18:57 < Strzalek> Ahh right
18:57 < Strzalek> Sure.
18:58 < Strzalek> Ok, maybe you're right. I'm planning write sth for my use
18:58 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: there is really no generic solution to CRUD unless you commit to a single ORM or so. Otherwise you have to make it so generic that you have to bind it to your project and such configuration is as much effort as writing crud from scratch
18:59 < Strzalek> Yes, you're right. Leave that.
18:59 < MikeSeth> this isnt problem with rails/cake etc because they force to use you their own activerecord
18:59 < MikeSeth> which is fail
18:59 < MikeSeth> heh
18:59 < Strzalek> Second topic - build system. Phing really sux. Why Agavi uses it?
18:59 < Strzalek> What are the arguments?
19:00 < v-dogg> history
19:00 < MikeSeth> it's written in PHP and nothing else is
19:00 < MikeSeth> that's pretty much the argument
19:00 < Seldaek> v-dogg: yes lighty, in case you missed it:)
19:00 < Strzalek> OK, but why not to write some CLI interperter in php, and normal php classess representing a task?
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19:01 < v-dogg> Strzalek: you are more than welcome to do that ;)
19:02 < Strzalek> Yes ;) ? Wombert have the same opinnion? I thought that he is phing fan
19:02 < v-dogg> phing has it's issues and we all are aware of those
19:02 < v-dogg> its*
19:03 < Strzalek> Hmm?
19:03 < v-dogg> but replacing it would be a huge effort
19:04 < Strzalek> Ok, phing is cool but for simple things. When you have to reallize some advenced problem you have to write tons of xml when you can simply write 50 lines of php
19:06 < v-dogg> you can also just embed php code if you want
19:07 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: just look in our build.xml, it has comments there saying exactly how we feel about phing
19:07 < MikeSeth> using words like "fuck" and "shit"
19:07 < v-dogg> courtesy of impl :)
19:08 < MikeSeth> well my name doesnt appear in the comments explicitly, but impl has my full support on this :>
19:08 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: so the question is why Agavi still use it. And even improving it (0.11 -> 1.0)
19:08 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: because we need a working build system and because no one has the time to work a new one from scratch
19:09 < MikeSeth> and frankly because PHP is shit and isnt designed for this kind of thing
19:09 < MikeSeth> but we cant expect anyone to have anything other than PHP ready (eg java for ant etc)
19:09 < Strzalek> Ahhhh okay :]
19:10 < v-dogg> 21:03 < v-dogg> but replacing it would be a huge effort
19:10 < Strzalek> Yes, yes
19:10 < Strzalek> mayby I could help
19:10 < MikeSeth> we'll be glad if you did
19:10 < MikeSeth> but I suspect it aint worth the effort
19:10 < v-dogg> 21:01 < v-dogg> Strzalek: you are more than welcome to do that
19:10 < v-dogg> :)
19:11 < MikeSeth> there's only so much that a PHP build system can do without having to mingle with the language itself, simply because PHP wont allow it
19:11 < MikeSeth> I'd *love* to see build system refactor e.g. action names
19:11 < MikeSeth> but the raw truth is that it can't be done
19:13 < Strzalek> I was looking at symfony build system and I is written in 3 or 4 files witch handles CLI operations
19:14 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: we could rewrite it in plain php but it'd still be limited to the same problems
19:14 < Strzalek> About what problems you are talking?
19:14 < MikeSeth> and we'd have to implement all those things that phing already does
19:15 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: it would be fundamentally constrained to only most basic operations (e.g. cloning templates, adjusting XML config, etc)
19:15 < Strzalek> Whay advanced functionality you expect?
19:15 < MikeSeth> if you wanted to do things like getting a list of views for an action you still wouldnt be able to do it correctly
19:16 < MikeSeth> the only real way around this is to keep metadata
19:16 < MikeSeth> but then if that goes out of sync you have even more nightmare
19:17 < Strzalek> Nahh
19:18 < Strzalek> problems, problems, problems ;/
19:18 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: the build system does what it does nicely
19:18 < Wombert> I wouldn't call it "nicely", but, yeah
19:18 < MikeSeth> realistically for anything above what it already does, you need an IDE, a stateful refactoring machine, static code analysis etc
19:19 < Strzalek> Ok, but for me problems i lack of deployment. So I think, ok, lets extend build system by my task and ... yyy eee wtf!?
19:19 < Strzalek> ;)
19:19 < Strzalek> You know what I mean ;)
19:20 < MikeSeth> you should be able to extend it
19:20 < Seldaek> Wombert: HALP?
19:20 < Wombert> wat?
19:21 < Seldaek> => can anyone tell me how should the url be rewritten to index.php exactly (aka how does it read the "source url" and how should it look) ?
19:21 < Seldaek> can't get my site running on the prod server with lighttpd
19:21 < MikeSeth> Seldaek: index.php/
19:21 < MikeSeth> we
19:21 < Seldaek> tried that..
19:21 < MikeSeth> well, not url, just the query part of it
19:21 < Wombert> oh bollocks
19:21 < Wombert> that was in the old docs
19:21 < Wombert> :D
19:21 < MikeSeth> ah lighty
19:21 < MikeSeth> DURRRRR
19:22 < MikeSeth> smoketiem
19:22 < Wombert> wait MikeSeth
19:22 < MikeSeth> wat
19:22 < Wombert> shall we go or something
19:22 < MikeSeth> if theres a place that open and has food, why not
19:22 < Seldaek> that's in the htaccess RewriteRule (.*) index.php?/$1
19:23 < v-dogg> the Jew is still in Germyland?
19:23 < Seldaek> and right now I'm rewriting /foo to /index.php?/foo
19:23 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: ya flying out tomorrow
19:23 < v-dogg> k
19:23 < v-dogg> how much sausages can you take with you?
19:24 < Wombert> url.rewrite-once = (
19:24 < Wombert> "^/~cbrown/projects/win-a-baseball-match/pub/(modpub|img|css|files).*" => "$0",
19:24 < Wombert> "^/~cbrown/projects/win-a-baseball-match/pub/([^?]*)(?:\?(.*))?$" => "/~cbrown/projects/win-a-baseball-match/pub/index.php?/$1&$2"
19:24 < Wombert> )
19:24 < MikeSeth> Wombert: check your iphone or smth :>
19:24 < Seldaek> Wombert: yeah but no
19:25 < Seldaek> that's exactly what I'm using
19:25 < Seldaek> and it fAILS
19:25 < Seldaek> only works for /
19:25 < Wombert> fix your lighty install? :p
19:25 < Seldaek> but /foo redirects me to /
19:25 < Seldaek> while it shouldn't
19:26 < Wombert> MikeSeth: wat is on ze phone
19:26 < Seldaek> bah
19:26 < Seldaek> AGAVI FAILS
19:26 * v-dogg smacks Seldaek
19:27 < v-dogg> nevah!
19:27 < Wombert> if it redirects you to /
19:27 < Wombert> then how can that be agavi :p
19:27 * Wombert stabs
19:27 < Seldaek> well I don't know
19:27 < Strzalek> Ok, so I go to write my admin generator
19:27 < Strzalek> ;]
19:27 < Seldaek> but it hits index.php alright
19:28 < Seldaek> hmm maaaybe if the url generation fails
19:29 < Seldaek> it COULD be my (if $url != $this->gen(Url("For", this, yay())) { redir() }
19:29 < v-dogg> mm... what is that?
19:29 < v-dogg> where? why?
19:29 < Seldaek> well it's for uber SEO skills
19:30 < Seldaek> basically it enforces /3-foo if you go to /3-foobar and 3 has a title of "foo"
19:30 < _cheerios> heh
19:30 < Seldaek> so I mean.. if the url gen fails, it could redirect me to the "correct" (but failed) url, which would end up being a redirect to /
19:30 < Seldaek> I'll have a look..
19:32 < Seldaek> DAMMIT
19:32 < MikeSeth> Wombert: i are confus
19:32 < Seldaek> it doesn't even reach the action code it seems
19:48 < Seldaek> DAMMIT
19:48 < Seldaek> seriously
19:48 < Seldaek> this is fucked up
19:49 < v-dogg> can you explain and perhaps paste some code that explains what all this "if $url != $this->gen(Url("For", this, yay())) { redir()" stuff is about?
19:50 < Seldaek> well sure
19:50 < v-dogg> because, if you are getting some weird redirects, I would put my money on the problem being some hack you have made, not Agavi nor Lighttpd :)
19:50 < Seldaek> but I don't think this is it after all
19:50 < Seldaek> and I don't know why, when I put var_dump('MOO');die; in my action (at thevery top), I don't even see it in the browser
19:51 < Seldaek> just blank fucking page
19:51 < bobbytek2> because your if is not correct syntax
19:51 < bobbytek2> where is the ()?
19:51 < bobbytek2> that won't even load
19:51 < Seldaek> man this was pseudo code
19:52 < Seldaek> and a joke about the selenium talk
19:52 < Wombert> nobody got it
19:52 < Wombert> :>
19:53 < Wombert> Seldaek: I'm sure it's your Dwoo thing
19:53 < Seldaek> that doesn't matter
19:53 * Wombert runs
19:53 < Seldaek> I'd be happy if it was
19:53 < Seldaek> it would probably be fixed by now:p
19:55 < Seldaek> so should I start crying or what?
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19:58 < v-dogg> mmm.. WTF...
19:59 < Wombert> laetrs
19:59 * Wombert 6
19:59 < Seldaek> yeah right
19:59 < Wombert> umm
19:59 < Seldaek> flee
19:59 * Wombert &
19:59 < v-dogg> beta5 and the build script throws ANSI colors on me
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19:59 < v-dogg> wasn't that fixed before beta5?
19:59 < Wombert> v-dogg: it was fixed after that I think
19:59 < Wombert> nah
19:59 < v-dogg> ok then
19:59 * Wombert &, srsly
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20:00 < v-dogg> go go already! :)
20:01 < Seldaek> v-dogg: :(
20:02 < Seldaek> is there anything preventing me from doing a die('moo'); in some arbitrary place ?
20:02 < Seldaek> like.. why does it ends up being a blank page
20:03 < Seldaek> works locally
20:03 < Seldaek> so I don't know
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20:03 < _cheerios> when a template exists, and you're not doing something silly like die;, then a segfault is very likely
20:04 < everplays> MikeSeth: hi there
20:04 < everplays> i'm looking @ new design
20:04 < everplays> it's really perfect
20:04 < v-dogg> agavi.org?
20:04 < everplays> yep
20:05 < v-dogg> nice to hear you like it
20:05 < MikeSeth> everplays: thanks, and welcome to the conspiracy
20:05 < v-dogg> nfq did it
20:06 < Wombert> just for the record, it still needs a lot of work
20:06 < Wombert> (the website)
20:06 < nfq> yeah!!
20:06 < Wombert> so expect a lot more content, finer design etc soon
20:07 < Seldaek> _cheerios: I'm doing the die in the action class, and I did the exact same locally where it works, so i don't think it's segfault-worth
20:07 < nfq> but glad the general concensus is positive
20:07 < Wombert> yeah
20:07 < Wombert> but then,why wouldn't it be
20:07 * Wombert hugs nfq
20:07 < Wombert> but now
20:07 < v-dogg> Wombert: what are you still doing here?!
20:07 < Wombert> really
20:07 < Wombert> I need to go
20:07 < nfq> hugs wombert back
20:07 < Wombert> laters
20:07 < _cheerios> Seldaek, just giving you some food for thought, the problem is something you've caused, so it's for you to fix.
20:07 < MikeSeth> YES YOU DO
20:07 < Wombert> yeah mm
20:07 < MikeSeth> IM HUNGRY
20:07 < Seldaek> ah so you're one of those guys in basel nfq?
20:07 < Wombert> lolo MikeSeth
20:07 < Wombert> baii
20:07 < nfq> laters Wombert mike enjoy dinner
20:07 < MikeSeth> dont lol all I had today was cake
20:08 < MikeSeth> :<
20:08 < MikeSeth> MEAT WANT
20:08 < nfq> Seldaek: haha yeah.. how did you know?
20:08 < Seldaek> _cheerios: yeah.. well maybe it is.
20:08 < Seldaek> nfq: ah just looked at your site seeing the agavi.org footer
20:08 < nfq> aha
20:08 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: cake.. :p
20:08 < nfq> coolio
20:08 < Seldaek> nfq: I could use your help but I guess it's too expensive for me atm:P
20:09 < nfq> Seldaek: well, good work is not always about the money
20:09 < nfq> my main problem right now is mainly time
20:09 < MikeSeth> but its nice to get paid isn't it :D
20:09 < nfq> MikeSeth: defo!!
20:09 < Seldaek> heh
20:10 < Seldaek> yeah well I don't have time but I don't have any design skill either so.. :p
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20:16 < Seldaek> okay
20:16 < Seldaek> finally got something
20:16 < MikeSeth> im outta here
20:16 < MikeSeth> bbl
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20:20 < Seldaek> okay I found what caused it..
20:24 < bobbytek2> What was it?
20:25 < Seldaek> AgaviValidationManager was in strict mode
20:25 < Seldaek> and in conditional mode in development
20:25 < Seldaek> so in production it broke everything because I code sloppily apparently
20:38 < _cheerios> youtube is starting to suck too much "this video not available in your country"
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21:28 < v-dogg> Seldaek: if you intend to use strict in production you should use it in development too
21:28 < v-dogg> we actually discussed this with Felix last week
21:29 < v-dogg> he said different defaults like we have now, is bad
21:30 < v-dogg> and you just proved him right
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21:50 < bobbytek2> v-dogg: Do your models accept and return classes or simple arrays?
21:51 < v-dogg> arrays mostly
21:55 < bobbytek2> is there a reason for that?
22:00 < bobbytek2> Is it out of convenience, or is it to be more loosely coupled?
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02:24 < Seldaek> v-dogg: yeah, I don't know if this was default or not (the strict thingy), but it sucks indeed especially since I'm not too sure how to "fix" the non-strict mistakes (I guess I need a validator for each action or something even on read but not too sure)
02:24 < Seldaek> anyway I'll fix that someday maybe, but for now I just want the damn thing to run
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08:05 < Wombert_> wat happen
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08:34 < v-dogg> huomenta
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09:15 < _cheerios> huomenta
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09:40 < alenoosh> hi all , I'm trying to install the latest agavi via pear , I get the "install ok" message at the end but agavi is not installed and the agavi command does not work , what is the problem ?
09:42 < v-dogg> incorrect PATH?
09:42 < v-dogg> when you say "agavi is not installed" have you actually checked that the files aren't there?
09:43 < alenoosh> v-dogg, I type "pear install agavi/agavi-0.11.5" , yes agavi files don't exist
09:44 < v-dogg> where do you have pear installed?
09:45 < alenoosh> v-dogg, /usr/share/php
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09:48 < v-dogg> alenoosh: this has something to do with your pear but I have no idea what that might be
09:48 < v-dogg> so I suggest you use SVN or tar balls
09:49 < v-dogg> I never have agavi installed globally because different project use different agavi versions
09:49 < alenoosh> v-dogg, ok
09:50 < v-dogg> are you familiar with SVN?
09:50 < alenoosh> v-dogg, yes I am
09:50 < alenoosh> v-dogg, thanks
09:51 < v-dogg> checkout/export (or use svn:external) http://svn.agavi.org/tags/1.0.0beta5/src/ to myproject/libs/agavi
09:52 < v-dogg> and copy http://svn.agavi.org/tags/1.0.0beta5/bin/agavi-dist to myproject/dev/agavi.sh
09:53 < v-dogg> and adjust AGAVI_SOURCE_DIRECTORY to "../libs/agavi"
09:53 < v-dogg> and run "dev/agavi help" in the project directory
09:56 < alenoosh> v-dogg, Is it possible to use a newer version of agavi for a project that previously used an older version of agavi or it may cause conflicts
09:58 < Seldaek> depends on how old it is I guess
09:59 < Seldaek> you might have some adjustments to do but it shouldn't be too much work unless it's really old
10:01 < alenoosh> v-dogg, ok , by the way , what do you mean by "libs" and "dev" directories ?/
10:03 < alenoosh> Seldaek, thanks
10:08 < v-dogg> alenoosh: just a de facto standard for a project's directory layout (see http://phpseriously.com/archives/8-Getting-Started-with-Agavi-and-Propel-Part-1)
10:09 < v-dogg> alenoosh: 0.11 is compatible with 1.0, not sure about .10
10:09 < alenoosh> v-dogg, ok thanks alot
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11:50 < _cheerios> is fedora worth using?
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14:57 < rawb> my local apache/php setup runs other frameworks fine, but when trying to access a default agavi install (bloggie tutorial), my apache process crashes: http://pastie.org/305874 - there's nothing in agavi logs and nothing is printed on the screen/php log.
15:05 < timtomson> did you check your apache logs?
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15:09 < bobbytek2> Hello all in agavi land :)
15:14 < rawb> bobbytek2: appears to be related to http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/898
15:15 < bobbytek2> yeah, I had that issue too
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16:22 < _cheerios> libxml issues before, libxslt now *g*
16:24 < bobbytek2> hi _cheerios :)
16:37 < _cheerios> hello
16:51 < bobbytek2> any agavi tips for me?
16:51 < bobbytek2> :)
16:56 < _cheerios> use it
16:56 < bobbytek2> good call ;)
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17:11 < bobbytek2> Does php support static typing?
17:12 < bobbytek2> Or is it only for classes, and not things like primitives or arrays?
17:14 < v-dogg> you can use "function foo(MyClass $foo)" and "function foo(array $foo)"
17:14 < v-dogg> but that's it
17:15 < v-dogg> php can do nothing else to ensure variable types
17:16 < bobbytek2> so no int or string?
17:16 < v-dogg> no
17:16 < bobbytek2> that's a sadness
17:16 < bobbytek2> Are they going to fix that in php6?
17:17 < v-dogg> no
17:17 < v-dogg> or not that I have heard of
17:19 < bobbytek2> cool, thanks for explaining :)
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17:51 < v-dogg> mm... wtf
17:51 < v-dogg> any gurus around?
17:52 < v-dogg> haha, nevermind :D
17:53 < v-dogg> too many Index actions
17:53 < v-dogg> I added my validators to a wrong Index.xml :)
17:54 < v-dogg> Wombert_: feels redundant I have to add an integer validator for a parameter already validated by a routing regexp
17:58 < bobbytek2> why are you doing validation in your route?
17:58 < bobbytek2> or is it just by it's very construction that it prohibits invalid values for that parameter?
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18:15 < v-dogg> bobbytek2: the route pattern is (id:\d+) so I know already it is an integer
18:16 < v-dogg> but when using strict validation mode, I have to validate the parameter again
18:17 < Seldaek> you never know v-dogg, in php6 \d might include chinese numbers :p
18:20 < v-dogg> this time it made sense to add "DoWeReallyHaveSomethingWithThatIdValidator" but sometimes I just need another integer validator for a parameter already "validated" by the route pattern
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18:25 < _cheerios> really? i won't be turning on strict for a while then.
18:45 < Wombert_> GO VETTEL GO VETTEL
18:45 < Wombert_> WOOOOOHOOOOOO
18:48 < _cheerios> what what what?
18:49 < Wombert_> zomg
18:49 < Wombert_> :<
18:49 < v-dogg> F1?
18:50 < _cheerios> im reading forums that glock gave way for hamiltons championship. before that some shouting about vettel.
18:51 < Wombert_> nah bull. he was just slow or something
18:51 < Wombert_> on slicks
18:51 < Wombert_> don't think he did that on purpose
19:03 < nfq> Wombert_: well, I am so glad lewis has it
19:04 < nfq> he deserves it
19:04 < nfq> btu big kudos to massa alonso
19:04 < Wombert_> you know
19:04 < Wombert_> I think it doesn't make much of a differenc either way
19:04 < Wombert_> to me
19:05 < Wombert_> I'm not a hamilton fan, but don't care much more for massa either
19:05 < Wombert_> I'm mostly glad vettel had the balls to take on hamilton
19:05 < _cheerios> good comeback from mclaren considering last years fiasco. not sure what happened with ferrari, as räikkönen was disapointtingly out of the game too soon
19:06 < _cheerios> (maybe it was just räikkönen partying too much, shrug :))
19:06 < nfq> yeah
19:06 < nfq> kimi should have been better
19:06 < nfq> but
19:06 < nfq> alonso has been impressive end of season
19:06 < nfq> I don't like him or massa but they've both been great
19:07 < nfq> and the future looks like vettel, hamilton, kubica
19:07 < _cheerios> kimi will reign next year
19:08 < v-dogg> Wombert_: noted my bitching earlier?
19:11 < Wombert_> rawb: can you throw on gdb and send a backtrace?
19:11 < Wombert_> v-dogg: yeah but not much we can do I reckon
19:11 < v-dogg> yup
19:14 < _cheerios> fsck. hate missing receipts or forgetting to ask for 'em, heathrow express train cost 20 pounds :|
19:14 < Wombert_> do you still have the ticket?
19:15 < _cheerios> yep
19:15 < Wombert_> that says the price I think
19:15 < Wombert_> the "receipt" is quite useless
19:15 < Wombert_> and why don't you take the heathrow connect, it's cheaper and only 5mins or so slower
19:15 < Wombert_> 10 maybe
19:15 < Wombert_> not that much of a rip-off anyway
19:15 < _cheerios> *shrug* that's what we used when we came, i wasn't aware of all the possibilities.
19:16 < nfq> or just the tube
19:16 < nfq> it's longer but much cheaper
19:16 < _cheerios> that extra 30 stops didn't look tempting, impl :)
19:16 < nfq> where you going in london?
19:17 < _cheerios> just came back. we stayed at a hotel near Prince Regent's
19:19 < nfq> _cheerios: nice
19:28 < Wombert_> _cheerios: the DLR station?
19:29 < _cheerios> it's part of DLR, ye
19:29 < _cheerios> i took DLR, to jubilee to bakerloo and then the train
19:30 < nfq> in the docklands
19:30 < nfq> ?
19:30 < _cheerios> (though DLR->jubilee was out of order for the weekend, and I had to stress myself to find the connecting bus to jubilee)
19:33 < _cheerios> hmm, yes, i think it's part of the docklands
19:33 < _cheerios> quite crude area
19:42 < bobbytek2> I'm kinda confused about validation in agavi. My understanding about MVC validation from other frameworks is that it's main purpose is to scrub user input, to protect the application against deliberiate or unintential errors. From what I've seen people writing on here, it sounds as though business logic is being placed in custom validators. That goes against what I've been taught
19:42 < bobbytek2> IMO, a validator should never use a Model
19:47 < bobbytek2> er, in general I mean
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20:02 < bobbytek2> Anyone care to comment?
20:05 < saracen> When does it use the Model?
20:06 < saracen> Agavis validation does "scrub" the user input. Theres various built-in classes which do the
20:06 < saracen> opps
20:06 < saracen> which handle a lot of common things, such as validation input
20:07 < saracen> Making sure the input is a string, an integer etc.
20:07 < bobbytek2> right, well someone recommended performing authentication credential validation in a validator
20:07 < ttj> Wombert_: TOP GEAR!!!
20:07 < bobbytek2> That seems wrong to me
20:09 < saracen> bobbytek2: Who did?
20:09 < bobbytek2> I can't recall now :/
20:10 < bobbytek2> It seems weird that a validator would be enforcing business rules though, in general
20:10 < bobbytek2> Would you agree?
20:12 < saracen> What is it you're trying to do? getCredentials() and isSecure() should be enoigh for authentication checking. Which is outside of the validation rules
20:12 < saracen> enough*
20:12 < bobbytek2> that's authorization
20:12 < bobbytek2> no authentication
20:13 < bobbytek2> I'm talking about looking up a user in the db and verifying the password
20:13 < bobbytek2> that doesn't seem like it belongs in a validator
20:13 < bobbytek2> Would you agree?
20:14 < bobbytek2> Or any other business rule that isn't related to data sanitation
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20:14 < saracen> Where did they suggest you put that, in validateRead/validateWrite?
20:15 < bobbytek2> in a custom validator
20:15 < saracen> No, that doesn't seem right. The sample application has login handling
20:16 < bobbytek2> yeah, I noticed that
20:16 < bobbytek2> That was just an example really of what I was talking about
20:16 < bobbytek2> Something like comparing a submitted date to some date in the db would be another example
20:18 < bobbytek2> what is the proper way to reference a module in autoload.xml?
20:19 < bobbytek2> oh, nvm
20:19 < bobbytek2> :)
20:19 < saracen> ;p
20:21 < bobbytek2> saracen: do you have an example of how to do a password confirmation validation in agavi?
20:22 < bobbytek2> Would that require a custom validator, or would one of the standard valdators work for that?
20:22 < bobbytek2> Maybe the AgaviEqualsValidator?
20:24 < bobbytek2> That looks about right, judging by the code
20:25 < saracen> How are you going to get the password to compare it to?
20:25 < bobbytek2> the asparam parameter
20:26 < saracen> How are you going to get the password to compare it to?
20:26 < bobbytek2> the asparam parameter
20:27 < saracen> Why not just make a login function for AgaviUser? Have it setup everything upon login, on failure it could throw an error
20:27 < bobbytek2> http://www.pastie.org/305999
20:28 < bobbytek2> saracen: I have yet to see an example of extending AgaviUser, do you have one?
20:28 < Wombert_> impl: poke
20:28 < saracen> Oh, is this a hard-coded password?
20:28 < Wombert_> ttj: oh yes baby
20:29 < saracen> bobbytek2: Use factories.xml to specify your own class. Place your class in app/lib/user/ProjectUser.php
20:29 < bobbytek2> saracen: no
20:29 < bobbytek2> oh, nice thanks :)
20:29 < saracen> bobbytek2: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.0beta5/samples/app/lib/user/AgaviSampleAppUser.class.php
20:29 < saracen> Example
20:29 < bobbytek2> So what type of logic is intended to go in that class?
20:30 < bobbytek2> saracen: that password validation example works :) yay!
20:30 < bobbytek2> basically those 2 params tell the validator to use the value of the password field submitted as the reference
20:31 < bobbytek2> Thanks for the link :)
20:32 < saracen> bobbytek2: You could use it for loading your role definitions. Assigning the roles to the current session user upon login. For logging out the current user. For storing a user model as an attribute, related to the current session user.
20:33 < bobbytek2> okay, that sounds good. Should it be using the help of a Model for this?
20:34 < bobbytek2> I mean, should it be doing direct db access, or delagating?
20:34 < bobbytek2> That example just uses an array
20:34 < bobbytek2> I'm assuming a Model would be more appropriate for a real app?
20:35 < saracen> When using an ORM, I generally use the orms helper functions to find the user for me, and return the User model. Then, i store it as a AgaviUser variable, $this->setAttribute('dbuser', $user); or something.
20:36 < saracen> Well, for propel I did that anyway. For doctrine, I think I had to fetch the user each time I wanted it, because with agavi context included it would act weird
20:36 < impl> Wombert_: poke poke
20:37 < Wombert_> ohai impl
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20:42 < saracen> Wait. I;m confused. $request->getRequestData()->setParameter('lawl', 'lol') is not the same as $request->setParameter('lawl', 'lol');
20:42 < saracen> is it?
20:44 < Wombert> rawb: poke
20:44 < Wombert> nope saracen
20:44 < _cheerios> rent rose 20e starting next january. what about ya chaps, living getting more expensive over there?
20:44 < saracen> Confusion ends! Should be able to make this work now :)
20:57 < bobbytek2> What's the diff saracen?
21:02 < saracen> One sets parameters on the request class, the other on the request data that goes to an action
21:02 < saracen> Yet I still can't figure out why my action isn't being called. Hmm
21:06 < bobbytek2> oh, so request's parameters are totally unrelated then?
21:11 < bobbytek2> Is there a way to short-circuit validators?
21:19 < Wombert> bobbytek2: ?
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21:40 < bobbytek2> Wombert: I mean, if one validator fails, not to perform any other validations on that field
21:41 < Wombert>
21:41 < bobbytek2> is that for just that field though, or ALL validations not yet performed?
21:42 < bobbytek2> As an example, password shouldn't be empty should cause the password doesn't match confirmation password validator not to run
21:42 < Wombert> oh
21:42 < Wombert>
21:42 < Wombert>
21:43 < Wombert> :)
21:43 < bobbytek2> which one?
21:43 < bobbytek2> or both?
21:43 < bobbytek2> anyways, thanks :)
21:43 < bobbytek2> I knew the name had to come in handy at some point :)
21:44 < Wombert> name=
21:44 < Wombert> ?
21:44 < Wombert> of a validator?
21:44 < Wombert> that's unrelated
21:44 < bobbytek2> provides="password_given"
21:44 < Wombert> names of validators are mainly for grabbing its result easily
21:44 < bobbytek2> is that not a name reference?
21:44 < Wombert> no
21:44 < Wombert> it's something random
21:45 < Wombert> and depends references that
21:45 < Wombert> the second validator runs if "depends" is fullfilled
21:45 < Wombert> which is the case if the first validator succeeded
21:45 < Wombert> note that both can be a space-separated list of identifiers
21:45 < Wombert> in case you need that
21:46 < bobbytek2> oh, i see
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21:46 < bobbytek2> That's handy, thanks :)
21:48 < bobbytek2> http://www.pastie.org/305999
21:48 < bobbytek2> Something like that then?
21:48 < Wombert> yes
21:49 < bobbytek2> sweetness, thanks again
21:49 < Wombert> I'd call them "password_given" etc though
21:49 < bobbytek2> yeah, makes more sense
21:49 < bobbytek2> good call
21:49 < bobbytek2> ;)
21:50 < saracen> pumpkin pie is so awesome
21:50 < bobbytek2> well, that doesn't seem to validate for some reason
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21:55 < bobbytek2> ya, it doesn't like depends="password_given confirm_given"
21:55 < bobbytek2> But it will accept depends="password_given"
21:57 < bobbytek2> I wonder why, since the rng file specifies list of string :/
21:59 < bobbytek2> unless there is some xslt magic that is going on under the covers
21:59 < impl> ummhmhmhmhm
21:59 < impl> let me peer at this
22:00 < bobbytek2> http://www.pastie.org/305999
22:00 < bobbytek2> basically
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22:00 < bobbytek2> notice the equals validator
22:00 < bobbytek2> it depends on the 2 prior validators
22:01 < bobbytek2> http://www.pastie.org/306040
22:02 < impl> the xsd version just specifies xsd:string as the datatype
22:02 < impl> not a list
22:02 < impl> are you sure it's using the RNG?
22:02 < bobbytek2> that's xsd
22:03 < bobbytek2> yeah, I'll shoot you the stack
22:03 < bobbytek2> http://www.pastie.org/306040
22:04 < impl> weird :S
22:04 < bobbytek2> note that I'm using 1.0.0dev
22:04 < impl> from SVN?
22:04 < bobbytek2> yes
22:04 < impl> have you up'ed recently?
22:05 < bobbytek2> yes
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22:09 < impl> okay
22:09 < impl> impl knows what is wrong :>
22:09 < impl> problem is that Wombert doesn't know how to write XSDs
22:09 < impl> :D
22:09 < impl> er
22:09 < impl> RNGs
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22:15 < CIA-6> impl * r3261 /branches/1.0/src/config/rng/validators.rng: Update validators.rng to actually support attribute lists
22:15 < impl> bobbytek2: try now :D
22:15 < Wombert> wat
22:15 < Wombert> :<
22:15 < impl> YA
22:16 < Wombert> kekeke
22:16 * Wombert stabs
22:16 * Wombert stabs rng
22:17 < bobbytek2> k, will try
22:17 < impl> SING US A SONG, YOU'RE THE PIANO MAN
22:17 < impl> SING US A SONG TONIGHT
22:17 < impl> WELL WE'RE ALL IN THE MOOD FOR A MELODY
22:17 < impl> AND YOU'VE GOT US FEELING ALRIGHT
22:17 * saracen impregnates impl
22:17 * Wombert stabs the piano
22:18 < impl> Wombert: you're way too stabby lately
22:18 < impl> Wombert: too bad you don't live in the US, you could get a gun instead
22:19 < bobbytek2> k, that worked like a charm
22:19 < bobbytek2> thanks impl :)
22:19 < impl> yup
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00:29 < bobbytek2> Is it possible to access a model from within a AgaviRbacSecurityUser derived class?
00:31 < bobbytek2> nvm :)
00:34 < saracen> YOU HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION
00:35 < bobbytek2> wha??
01:07 < bobbytek2> how can I add an error to a validation manager that isn't associated with a field?
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01:38 < bobbytek2> saracen: I always pay attention to you :)
01:41 < bobbytek2> Anyone alive in here?
01:41 < bobbytek2> :(
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04:23 < bobbytek2> Is it considered bad form to use $ro to generate links in templates? Or would it be better to perform that in the view?
04:55 < impl> I don't have a problem using it in templates
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07:06 < v-dogg> huomenta
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08:06 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:48 < MikeSeth> WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
08:48 < MikeSeth> huomenta
08:50 * MikeSeth hugs all
08:51 < karmacoder> your all so crazy :D
08:51 < MikeSeth> srs?
08:52 < karmacoder> huomenta to you too
08:52 < karmacoder> MikeSeth: don't akt surprised ;)
08:52 < MikeSeth> do I really look surprised? :D
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08:54 < karmacoder> MikeSeth: well in my head you do, in irc it's hard to say
08:54 < MikeSeth> heh heh heh
08:55 < MikeSeth> bobbytek2: to answer your previous question you absolutely should use $ro in templates
08:59 < v-dogg> I don't see any problems with that either
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09:20 < _cheerios> meh. those flash scripts that generate nice fonts are such fail, as atleast on the site I used, they overlapped css-menus (linux). result: unusable site.
09:21 < _cheerios> are there slides from IPC sessions somewhere?
09:28 < Seldaek> should be
09:29 < Seldaek> not yet though it seems
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09:46 < horros> Huomenta.
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09:51 < Xylakant> huomenta
09:51 < v-dogg> huomenta
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10:34 < MikeSeth> Xylakant: where's David
10:35 < Xylakant> MikeSeth: Well, I don't know. Asleep? On the way to the office?
10:38 < MikeSeth> heh
10:38 < MikeSeth> just wanted to tell y'all I landed okay
10:38 < MikeSeth> turns out our flight company has arrangement with munich airport
10:39 < MikeSeth> cops block driveways on both sides with their cars so that no one could drive a car bomb into the F terminal
10:39 < MikeSeth> I loled
10:39 < horros> :O
10:39 < horros> MikeSeth: Do you live in Islamabad?
10:41 < Macen> they do that here now too
10:41 < Macen> we had someone do it in Glasgow
10:42 < Macen> the driver ran out of his car in flames and some dirty scott floored him while he was on fire heh
10:42 < Macen> win
10:42 < MikeSeth> horros: no, that's in Pakistan :|
10:42 < Macen> you live in Isreal don't you MikeSeth?
10:42 < MikeSeth> yeah
10:43 < horros> Ah, I see.
10:44 < Macen> we hear a lot about your troubles in the UK
10:44 < PyroBilly> Your flight company is El Al?
10:44 < Macen> something to do with Palestine
10:44 < MikeSeth> PyroBilly: yea
10:45 < PyroBilly> Those people know how to keep their planes in the air
10:45 < MikeSeth> too well I'd say
10:46 < PyroBilly> I went to Israel once and got a 45 minute interview from the stoniest woman I'd ever met, and all because my suitcase had some stickers from two Muslim countries
10:47 < MikeSeth> yeah, we call it "reasonable" security :>
10:47 < MikeSeth> some of you new guys, write ohloh reviews for Agavi plzkthx
10:48 < Macen> my ohloh rating makes me look like a noob
10:48 < Macen> stupid thing tells me i am 0 something
10:48 < Macen> and comes up if you search my name in Google
10:48 < Macen> cheecky sods
10:48 < MikeSeth> dunno i'm #1350 or something out of 130000 :D
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12:41 < krycek_> can a model be used to perform calculations and tasks that has nothing to do with DB?
12:43 < PyroBilly> krycek_: a model has nothing necessarily to do with any data store - so yes
12:44 < v-dogg> PyroBilly: tell that to RoR and Symfony people :)
12:44 < krycek_> ok... thanks
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12:52 < bobbytek2> Hey all :)
12:53 < MikeSeth> ohai
12:53 < MikeSeth> krycek_: absolutely
12:53 < bobbytek2> I think agavi should change it's name to payoti
12:53 < MikeSeth> krycek_: that's the idea of MVC models. Some people think that models only means database, which is wrong.
12:53 < bobbytek2> much more trippy
12:53 < MikeSeth> bobbytek2: you can fork :>
12:53 < horros> What on earth is Phing doing?!
12:54 < bobbytek2> Ain't nothing but a chicken phing on a string
12:54 < horros> If I have a target with a phpdoc -task, I can't seem to run my test-target which calls phpunit
12:54 < bobbytek2> Any suggestions on how can I add an error to a validation manager that isn't associated with a field?
12:54 < horros> because PHPUnit yells it can't find the class "ErrorTracker", which is a part of PhpDocumentor
12:54 < horros> :|
12:55 < bobbytek2> Or should I use some other channel for that?
12:55 < MikeSeth> impl: poke me when you're back plz
12:55 * bobbytek2 just wants FPF to display invalid user name or password to the user... but since it isn't really associated with a field, he cries
12:55 < MikeSeth> bobbytek2: an error is associated with a validator, not with a error manager
12:56 < MikeSeth> s/error manager/validation manager/
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12:56 < MikeSeth> WOMBART!
12:56 < bobbytek2> setError($name, $message)
12:56 < saracen> Who do I sleep with to get an agavi t-shirt then? :)
12:57 < MikeSeth> sorry I'm all out of these
12:57 < MikeSeth> Yossi and marklar|omni were real happy to get some, that I tell ya :D
12:57 < Wombert> ohai
12:57 < Wombert> shoan sent me an elephant from india :>
12:57 < Wombert> carved from wood
12:57 < Wombert> and inside the elephant
12:57 < Wombert> there is a small elephant
12:57 < Wombert> and its all made of one piece
12:58 < saracen> MikeSeth: Shame. My body was on offer =(
12:58 < Wombert> it's sitting here in our office nao with the blue elePHPants
12:58 < Wombert> :>
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12:58 < horros> Grumble.
12:59 < MikeSeth> next time come to the convention and youll get tshirts :D
13:01 < saracen> Can't I be anti-social and just pay a little money? :P
13:05 < horros> Damn PHP losing the stack :|
13:05 < horros> %&=()/=)%(&/
13:05 < horros> This is getting fairly annoying again.
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13:07 < bobbytek2> Should the view or action be mainly in charge of talking to the validation manager?
13:07 < bobbytek2> I would think that this would be an action responsibility
13:08 < krycek_> i think it's the action, because you can have a validate() method there
13:09 < MikeSeth> bobbytek2: how do you define 'talk to' validation?
13:09 < MikeSeth> actions set up validation and tell Agavi which views to use in case of validation error
13:09 < bobbytek2> interacting
13:09 < bobbytek2> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.0beta5/samples/app/modules/Default/views/LoginErrorView.class.php
13:09 < MikeSeth> views on the other hand can question the validation for error messages etc
13:09 < bobbytek2> That seems to be doing something that should be in the action, no?
13:10 < v-dogg> bobbytek2: "for all field error messages. errors that yield no match and those that have no corresponding field are inserted using rules defined in "error_messages"." (http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/config/global_filters.xml)
13:10 < MikeSeth> no, not at all
13:10 < bobbytek2> oh, thanks v-dogg
13:11 < v-dogg> bobbytek2: $this->container->getValidationManager()->setError('bogus_field', $error);
13:12 < bobbytek2> could I use null their?
13:12 < v-dogg> as a field name? I doubt it
13:12 < bobbytek2> So views have a finger in the "add validation error" pie?
13:12 < bobbytek2> v-dogg: ya
13:13 < krycek_> should i be worried about migrating my app to 1.0? i'm using 0.11.2
13:13 < v-dogg> bobbytek2: you can do that in the view or in the action. I'd say action is the correct place
13:14 < bobbytek2> v-dogg: I would have to concur, that's why I even asked cause it felt kinda wrong to me
13:14 < bobbytek2> Well, that example anyways
13:19 < v-dogg> krycek_: "worried" as in "is it easy to do when I want to do it" or "is 0.11 going to work in the future or should I migrate soon" ?
13:19 < MikeSeth> krycek_: you will have to update some config files
13:20 < MikeSeth> krycek_: other than this no worries as far as I know
13:21 < v-dogg> but you can go on using 0.11 too and migrate when you want to. unless something really critical comes up 1.0 will stay backwards compatible
13:21 < Wombert> krycek_: 1.0 is mainly refactorings, some cleanup, stuff like that
13:22 < Wombert> main things are... we threw out legacy namings for actions, models etc (they now need "full names"), and your config files now MUST have namespaces
13:22 < Wombert> krycek_: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/1.0.0beta5/UPGRADING
13:22 < krycek_> i need something that is only avaiable in 1.0, but i'm in the middle of the development... i was hopping don't loose too much time with it
13:23 < Wombert> what is it you need?
13:23 < v-dogg> Wombert: can has beta6 soon?-)
13:23 < Wombert> v-dogg: aye
13:23 < horros> grr
13:23 < horros> RuntimeException:
13:23 < horros> Fatal error: Class 'ErrorTracker' not found in C:\Projects\nappula-2.1-agavi-1.0\- on line 394
13:23 < horros> :x
13:23 < horros> Stupid Phing and/or PHPUnit :(
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13:26 < MikeSeth> Wombert: could I return e.g. false from view's execute() which'd mean send null response and quit?
13:27 < Wombert> MikeSeth: just don't return anything and don't setupHtml() or whatever
13:27 < MikeSeth> Wombert: rgr
13:27 * Wombert hugs MikeSeth
13:28 < krycek_> Wombert: what exactly "full name" means for actions and models?
13:28 < Wombert> Module_Sub_MarineAction
13:28 < Wombert> should always be that way if you used the build system, so no problem there
13:29 < krycek_> i'm not using the build system :x
13:29 < MikeSeth> krycek_: O_O
13:29 < MikeSeth> you should
13:29 < MikeSeth> it saves so much time
13:30 < krycek_> maybe with 1.0 then
13:31 < krycek_> but i thought Module_Sub_MarineAction was already mandatory
13:31 < krycek_> what is the alternative way?
13:31 < Wombert> MarineAction
13:31 < Wombert> or Module_MarineAction
13:31 < Wombert> etc
13:31 < Wombert> that was kind of lame, so we threw it out
13:32 < krycek_> oh, right... no problem then
13:32 < horros> heh
13:32 < horros> I needed to unset phpDocumentor_errors from the global scope in order to use PHPUnit
13:32 < MikeSeth> krycek_: you can still refer to subactions as Foo.Bar everywhere
13:33 < horros> It doesn't seem to want to be serialized.
13:33 < krycek_> good
13:37 < v-dogg> need kaffe....
13:37 < v-dogg> lots and lots of it
13:37 < MikeSeth> YES WANT
13:39 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: did you smuggle a suitcase full of bratwurst to jewland?
13:39 < MikeSeth> wat
13:40 < v-dogg> and tons of cheese burgers?-)
13:41 < MikeSeth> bratwurst == ?
13:43 < Wombert> sausage
13:43 < Wombert> the one you had for breakfast
13:43 < Wombert> along with egg and bacon
13:43 < Wombert> <:
13:44 * v-dogg smacks MikeSeth
13:44 < v-dogg> you don't know what you eat!? :)
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13:45 < MikeSeth> well how hard is it to use a fully qualified name then
13:45 < MikeSeth> "bavarian white sausage"
13:45 < horros> cd BuddhaOhneHals
13:45 < horros> :O
13:45 < horros> Oops.
13:45 < horros> :D
13:45 < v-dogg> haha
13:46 < horros> I was supposed to do cd build in that other window over there
13:46 * horros points
13:46 < horros> :)
13:46 < kaos|work_> MikeSeth: white sausage != bratwurst ;)
13:47 < MikeSeth> ah
13:47 < MikeSeth> see
13:47 < MikeSeth> FQSN
13:47 < MikeSeth> Fully Qualified Sausage Name
13:48 < horros> Damnit.
13:48 < horros> Now I'm hungry :(
13:48 < horros> OH yay! Payday today!
13:48 < v-dogg> bratwurst.... mmm....
13:49 < horros> I want chips and falafel
13:49 < horros> With a truckload of garlic sauce
13:49 < horros> <3
13:49 < MikeSeth> i bet they cant do falafel properly in (whereever you live) :D
13:50 < horros> MikeSeth: I buy falafel ingredients in an eco shop. Said ingredients are from Lebanon. :P
13:51 < MikeSeth> own mixes are always better
13:51 < MikeSeth> what kinda oil do you use?
13:51 < horros> Depends on what I have in my cupboard :)
13:52 < horros> And yeah, own mixes are of course better, but I can't be bothered :|
13:52 < horros> I haven't got all day!
13:52 < horros> :)
13:52 < MikeSeth> haha
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13:53 < horros> Hmm, I should try making my own mix some day.
13:53 < horros> when I don't have anything else to do.
13:53 < horros> Which would be, say, tomorrow.
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14:06 < MikeSeth> im full of good ideas :D
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14:13 < CIA-6> felix * r3262 /branches/felix-testing-implementation/test/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
14:13 < CIA-6> add tests for #695, #698
14:13 < CIA-6> refs #695, #698, #308
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14:53 < _cheerios> w/Zend optimizer, does it move your php installation someplace?
14:53 < _cheerios> (strange case of php binaries going missing :))
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15:23 < MikeSeth> oo durr
15:26 < saracen> Hmm, php templates become annoying when whitespace matters ;x
15:26 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: any change you could write a brief tutorial on how to set up an environment to build agavi's docs?
15:27 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: there's README in the root
15:27 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: though I have to commit the script that corrects & flattens the rendered deliverable for agavi.org publishing
15:27 < v-dogg> oh, brilliant :)
15:28 < saracen> It's possible for me to make a filter specific to a certain output type isnt it?
15:28 < saracen> wait. Must be, otherwise we'd all be in trouble
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15:29 < v-dogg> saracen: you can use executiontimefilter as an example
15:29 < MikeSeth> saracen: sure, just ask the container what type is requested
15:29 < saracen> Thanks guys :)
15:30 < MikeSeth> also
15:30 < MikeSeth> WRITE OHLOH REVIEWS
15:30 < MikeSeth> kthx
15:33 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: ah one small thing
15:33 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: the XSL file mentioned in readme is for the old blue template
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15:34 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: if you render for agavi.org you need the other xsl, s/custom/agavi/
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15:41 < Wombert> v-dogg: it worked fine!?
15:41 < Wombert> http://www.ohloh.net/projects/agavi/contributors
15:42 < Wombert> you already have an account in case you don't know :p
15:42 < Wombert> "v-dogg"
15:42 < saracen> Well. I think I rated it.
15:42 < krycek_> me too
15:42 < Wombert> we have four people that stacked, but didn't rate <:
15:42 < v-dogg> Wombert: yes, I have an account but the "Veikko Mäkinen" listed as a contributor is not linked to that account (I think)
15:42 < saracen> Target 'filter-create' does not exist in this project. =(
15:42 < Wombert> v-dogg: quite sure it is
15:43 < Wombert> https://www.ohloh.net/projects/agavi/contributors/25370371822386 that links to you
15:43 < Wombert> v-dogg: you logged in and stuff?
15:43 < v-dogg> hmm... now it looks ok... was I drunk last week I checked this? or did you put something to my breakfast bratwurst? :D
15:44 < MikeSeth> HOORAY
15:44 < MikeSeth> http://www.suspekt.org/2008/11/03/php-usb-device-to-solve-namespace-problems/
15:44 < MikeSeth> WE HAVE A WINNER
15:44 < Wombert> <:
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15:45 < v-dogg> hahaha
15:47 < MikeSeth> WRITE OHLOH REVIEWS
15:47 < MikeSeth> WRITE OHLOH REVIEWS
15:47 < MikeSeth> WRITE OHLOH REVIEWS
15:47 < MikeSeth> WRITE OHLOH REVIEWS
15:47 < MikeSeth> WRITE OHLOH REVIEWS
15:47 < MikeSeth> WRITE OHLOH REVIEWS
15:47 -!- MikeSeth changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: new: www.agavi.org :: bleeding: 1.0.0beta5 :: stable: 0.11.5 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/; use branches/0.11 (or branches/1.0 for HEAD, trunk is in hibernation now) :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta || WRITE OHLOH REVIEWS
15:48 < MrJeep> what's happening with the namespace problem ?
15:48 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: well, namespaces are now a problem in PHP
15:48 < MikeSeth> heh
15:48 < MrJeep> well afaik it's supposed to be in 5.3
15:48 < MikeSeth> and that's why it's a problem
15:48 < Macen> what do you want us to say?
15:48 < MikeSeth> because it\is\going\to\look\like\this
15:49 < MrJeep> but the last time i've checked they were not sure on the syntax
15:49 < MikeSeth> Macen: say whatever you feel
15:49 < MikeSeth> IMO explain how you use Agavi
15:49 < MikeSeth> that's the best kind of review agavi needs
15:49 < MrJeep> I was just wondering where they were at
15:49 < Macen> hmk
15:49 < Macen> fair enoug@
15:50 < Macen> it won't be very long then :p
15:50 < Macen> as it would otherwise likely be wrong
15:50 < Macen> heh
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16:01 < MrJeep> well it's going to be ugly I agree
16:01 < MrJeep> question.. why?
16:01 < MrJeep> be different ?
16:03 < Macen> http://www.ohloh.net/session/new is down for me
16:03 < Macen> i'll do it later
16:03 < Macen> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.ohloh.net/session/new
16:04 < Macen> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.ohloh.net
16:04 < Macen> not just me then
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16:21 < MikeSeth> ><
16:21 < Wombert> DONT TOUCH SAMMICH
16:21 < Wombert> :<
16:22 < aka> CANT HAZ!?
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16:27 < saracen> Sorry =(
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16:51 < impl> MikeSeth: sup jew
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16:52 < Wombert> Schematron validation of configuration file "/harddisk/hd~2/data/opt/share/www/aga/1.0.0beta5/samples/app/config/config_handlers.xml" failed: Could not transform schema file "/harddisk/hd~2/data/opt/share/www/aga/1.0.0beta5/src/config/sch/config_handlers.sch": Error occured while transforming the document using an XSL stylesheet:
16:52 < Wombert> Warning: unrecognized element schema
16:53 < Wombert> guys, impl: http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/909
16:53 < Wombert> a) should this be done in 0.11, or in 1.0 only?
16:54 < Wombert> b) impl: should I do this in loadConfigHandlers(), where you do a similar check for ext/xsl (you do it there so you can do the include() of our sublcasses xsltproc, but it would be more consistent to have them both there IMO)
16:54 < impl> Wombert: Let's make it throw the exception period
16:54 < Wombert> impl: well okay but _where_
16:54 < MikeSeth> impl: oh lawd
16:55 < MikeSeth> impl: turns out using -D to pass parameters to tasks dont work
16:55 < MikeSeth> -D does setUserParameter() which doesn't override setParameter() arguments
16:55 < impl> MikeSeth: ughhhh
16:55 < impl> I'll look into that
16:55 < impl> Wombert: bootstrap() is fine
16:55 < Wombert> "fuck this, man, fuck this"
16:56 < Wombert> impl: I had it there first but then we have this check there, the other check in loadConfigHandlers
16:56 < Wombert> kinda zomg-y, doncha think
16:56 < Wombert> also. 0.11 or 1.0?
16:56 < impl> both
16:56 < Wombert> k
16:57 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/910 more ideas? MikeSeth? v-dogg? MrJeep? _cheerios? bobbytek2? fnordfish?
16:59 < horros> Huomenta.
16:59 < MikeSeth> Wombert: add !masspoke to chuckwalla
16:59 < MikeSeth> heh
17:00 < Wombert> MikeSeth: :D
17:00 < saracen> impl: action-create - This doesn't accept a list of space(/comma) seperated actions? I can only make one at a time?
17:00 < Wombert> !masspoek you mean :>
17:00 < Wombert> man impl is here for just two minutes and bombarded with questions already <:
17:00 < MikeSeth> Wombert: i agree to 1 and 2, but 3 i only think it should be the same in dev and production, whether its strict or not dont matter
17:00 < v-dogg> Wombert: standard layout and slot layout: YES, check against is_slot in setupHtml(): YES (like showed in the WTF page), strict validation mode even in dev envs: YES
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17:01 < MrJeep> I'm for the idea of adding more best practice
17:01 < MrJeep> and I wish it could be for the whole framework
17:01 < Wombert> MikeSeth: yeah that's the point. it was here on IRC last week (twice even I think) that people didn't have validation, and stuff was then broken in production
17:01 < Wombert> MrJeep: yes but we need _more_ ideas if there is anything else to be done
17:01 < Wombert> v-dogg: anything else we should do?
17:02 < MrJeep> dinner time brb
17:02 < MikeSeth> Wombert: well I vouch for getModel() in views, models and actions with $moduleName defaulting to current module
17:03 < Wombert> mmmm but that's just convenience, MikeSeth
17:03 < MikeSeth> yes, but a damn good one
17:03 < fnordfish> Wombert: will add a note to the ticket :)
17:03 * Wombert hugs fnordfish
17:06 < saracen> .g btw <
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17:06 < horros> :x
17:06 < MikeSeth> .g tubgirl
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17:07 < saracen>
17:07 < v-dogg> wtf`?
17:07 < saracen> =)
17:07 < horros> Ick, I hate public triggers.
17:07 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: it begged
17:07 * v-dogg smacks Sandvich
17:08 < v-dogg> be quiet!
17:15 < krycek_> getModel() in views? isn't that already possible?
17:15 < MikeSeth> krycek_: no, you only have getModel() in the context object
17:16 < krycek_> oh, right
17:20 < v-dogg> that would be just a shortcut
17:21 < Wombert> anything else?
17:21 < Wombert> think of things that you do _every time_
17:21 < Wombert> and that would lower the barrier of entry for beginners
17:23 < v-dogg> well, I'd like to have lib/user/MyProjectUser (extends AgaviSecurityUser) automatically created with login/logout method stubs but I realise not everyone does login/logout this way
17:23 < saracen> I was just typing that, so, I second it.
17:24 < impl> saracen: no, just call it multiple times
17:24 < impl> is that really that difficult
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17:25 < saracen> impl: Yes, because then I have to put in the module name each time.
17:25 < impl> saracen: cd to the module directory and try it
17:26 < saracen> really? Ugh. The amount of weight I've lost doing this.
17:26 < Wombert> impl: ah btw I noticed that
17:26 < Wombert> the old build system gave a list of module names when asking for a module name
17:27 < Wombert> impl: I'm putting it into loadCOnfigHandlers() now
17:28 < impl> Wombert: k
17:28 < impl> Wombert: if you can't keep track of your project's modules you have problems
17:29 < saracen> Anyway. For the project user class. It would be nice if when making a new project, the build system asked you if you wanted one. Also, questions for setting up a default database. (all optional)
17:30 < v-dogg> database? what would it set up?
17:30 < saracen> It would add the entry to database.xml, and also enable the database enabled setting
17:31 < Macen> command line scripts ftw
17:31 < Macen> byee
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17:32 < v-dogg> saracen: the problem would be our several database implementations. each use different parameters
17:33 < aka> hey congrats on the new website guys... looks good
17:33 < v-dogg> databases.xml already has a few examples for you (propel and mysql I think) so all you really have to do is set use_database=true in settings.xml
17:33 < saracen> Hmm, true. Sounds like too much effort to hard code questions for params for each class. Bad idea =)
17:34 < v-dogg> maybe we should support only AgaviActiveRecord database, would be a lot easier :)
17:38 < krycek_> can i set an exception template per output type?
17:38 < Wombert> sure krycek_
17:38 < Wombert>
17:39 < krycek_> hmmm
17:39 < krycek_> 1.0?
17:39 < Wombert> 0.11
17:39 < krycek_> \o/
17:39 < Wombert> <:
17:39 < krycek_> and a default view for errors?
17:39 < Wombert> well you _could_ do that
17:39 < Wombert> but it's usually not what you want
17:39 < Wombert> public function handleError() {
17:39 < Wombert> return array('ModuleName', 'ViewName');
17:40 < Wombert> but in many cases, your error view is empty, and then sets the template to "Input" (for forms)
17:40 < Wombert> it might seem like annoying overkill at the moment to have 3+ views per action, but keep in mind the build system can generate them for you, and it will pay off the moment you need to add an API, or an RSS output type, or whatever
17:41 < Wombert> another thing you could do is automatically setting "Input" as the template in setupHtml() when the view name is "Error"
17:41 < Wombert> that might be a tad better; you get convenience, but also forward compabibility
17:41 < v-dogg> mm.. me lieks that idea
17:42 < krycek_> yeap... i guess i'm too lazy because i'm not using the build system... but i'll... soon
17:42 < v-dogg> if you are lazy you really really should use it :)
17:43 < v-dogg> and use our own code templates for actions/views/templates to make it even nicer
17:43 < krycek_> let me see if the exception_template thing works here... :)
17:45 < v-dogg> I have actually always done this in settings.xml... didn't even know you could do it output_types.xml
17:45 * v-dogg slaps Wombert
17:45 < v-dogg> you gotta tell me these things :)
17:46 < krycek_> Line 5: Element '{http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config}output_types', attribute
17:46 < krycek_> 'exception_template': The attribute 'exception_template' is not allowed.
17:46 * v-dogg slaps Wombert
17:46 < krycek_> don't know with that "}" there
17:46 < krycek_> ops
17:46 < krycek_> *why
17:47 < v-dogg> Wombert: you gotta stop giving false tips :p
17:48 < krycek_> how do you do that in settings.xml, v-dogg
17:49 < v-dogg> umm... actually.. I don't know :D
17:49 < v-dogg> the parameter I was thinking was context="" not output_type
17:51 < krycek_> maybe exception_template in was added after 0.11.2
17:52 < v-dogg> don't think so
17:53 < Wombert> lies
17:53 < Wombert> ...
17:53 < Wombert> [18:38] Wombert:
17:54 < Wombert> [18:46] krycek_: Line 5: Element '{http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config}output_types', attribute
17:54 < Wombert> spot the difference
17:54 < v-dogg> aaaa :D
17:54 < krycek_> ops
17:54 < krycek_> :T
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17:58 < krycek_> \o/
17:58 < krycek_> worked
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18:13 < CIA-6> david * r3263 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php: a bit more info for the exception thrown in case ext/xsl is not available, refs #519
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18:38 < CIA-6> david * r3264 /branches/0.11/src/version.php: 0.11.6-dev version info
18:41 < CIA-6> david * r3265 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php): Added standard warning about broken libxml versions, closes #909
18:41 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, are you using a monotype font for the tutorial or why does it feel so hard on the eyes?
18:42 < Wombert> it's the line height, _cheerios
18:42 < Wombert> will be fixed soon
18:42 < _cheerios> k, seems to be use in whole agavi.org
18:43 < MrJeep> it's the letter-spacing
18:44 < MikeSeth> there is line-height in documentation.css, it does not belong to original design
18:45 < MikeSeth> feel free to fix it i cant atm
18:49 < Wombert> errrrr
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18:50 < _cheerios> MrJeep, yer, s e e m s the t e x t indeed is m a d e that way :)
18:50 < _cheerios> oh man, almost 9pm
18:51 < _cheerios> still dinner to be made before can get some work done
18:51 < MrJeep> hehe :P
18:52 < Wombert> fixd
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18:52 < Wombert> (line-height)
18:52 < MrJeep> where ?
18:53 < MrJeep> docs ?
18:55 < _cheerios> the e x t r a wide letter-spacing is still there, but i won't press on this further. just noted, if others felt the same, as reading the text felt odder than on other sites. could be font-size differences too, it's not that bad if the font is quite tiny.
18:56 < Wombert> yeah its odd, _cheerios
18:56 < Wombert> I removed the letter spacing, and it was very narrow text
18:56 < Wombert> need some time to look into this
18:56 < Wombert> will start working on the site again wed/thu/fri
18:56 < MrJeep> maybe you have a different Arial on your comp
18:56 < Wombert> (well prolly not thu, but anyway)
18:56 < MrJeep> happened to me once with helvetica
19:04 * Wombert stabs impl
19:04 < Wombert> YOU DID ALREADY REMOVE RENDERERS DIDN'T YOU
19:04 < Wombert> WITHOUT TELLING ME
19:04 < Wombert> !!!
19:05 < MrJeep> remove renderers ?
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19:22 < fnordfish> i know - I#M at home, talking to Jana and hanking in the trac form
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19:26 < fnordfish> Wombert: pased the mayor three, more to come (likely)
19:26 < fnordfish> having some dinner now :)
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19:32 < Wombert> impl: HALP
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20:09 < saracen> Wombert: Say I have a date picker form and I want the date to appear in my route, is there a better way to go about doing this, other than redirecting on executeWrite() and inserting the dates in to my url?
20:09 < saracen> Hope that made sense ;x
20:09 < Wombert> prolly not
20:09 < Wombert> you need that anyway as a fallback for people who do not have javascript on
20:09 < Wombert> right?
20:10 < saracen> The date selecter is just drop down boxes: day, month, year
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20:10 < saracen> It seems to bug me, because I get conflicts if I obviously call the input elements: day, month, year, and then my route parameters the same name
20:10 < erisco> huomenta
20:11 < erisco> congratulations on the new web site! I loaded it up today and thought I clicked on the wrong bookmark
20:11 < saracen> I just wanted to know if there was a way you could tell agavi to use the parameters automatically, and redirect using magic
20:11 < erisco> it renders like crap in internet explorer 6 but who cares ^.^
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20:14 < Wombert> erisco: hehe
20:14 < Wombert> yeah that's on purpose
20:14 < Wombert> I couldn't care less about ie6
20:14 < Wombert> there are some things to fix in ie7 though
20:15 < Wombert> saracen: mmmh well
20:15 < Wombert> you could make those three optional
20:15 < Wombert> then it works with them in the url, or in the query string
20:16 < erisco> so I spent the entire weekend trying to get ubuntu 8.10 installed without a cd rom... I am lacking a sata power cable that I need to power both my hard drive and cdrom drive at the same time
20:16 < Wombert> impl: wat about http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/899 ?
20:16 < erisco> thus could not burn a cd. shopping around for a molex to sata power converter wasn't really in my interest but would have likely been faster... the end solution, after trying at least two dozen things, was quite extravagant
20:17 < erisco> using the non-free virtual box I booted the live cd so that I could use the "create bootable usb" utility now included in 8.10
20:18 < erisco> well, of course, wasn't that easy because virtual box needed a bit of work before it would pick up the usb devices. nonetheless, I finally got a bootable usb that did actually work... and now I am happily running 8.10
20:18 < erisco> which I am liking quite a bit, despite my curiosity in trying a different distro this time
20:19 < erisco> that was my weekend mostly :)
20:19 < saracen> Ha, Ubuntu owned my weekend too. Was getting it running on my girlfriends eee pc, with the netbook remix addon. Looks sweet now though
20:19 * Wombert shakes head
20:19 < Wombert> PCs...
20:20 < saracen> http://goto.fiveturns.org/freenode/agavi/logs Slow progress!
20:23 < Wombert> mmm
20:24 < Wombert> eww, tables :>
20:24 < saracen> Ha, if you want me to do that without tables I will shoot you. I've tried before. It wasn't nice =(
20:26 < _cheerios> the Bond trailer is pretty bad ass. long wait till Friday!
20:26 < _cheerios> re: http://www.007.com/
20:27 < impl> Wombert: wat.
20:28 < saracen> Watched it at the weekend. Not Casino Royal awesome
20:28 < impl> Wombert: I said to 'please try using the latest version from SVN' and there is no response after that
20:28 < erisco> this time 'round (on my freshly formatted hard drive) I am going to be using lighttpd and sqlite for development
20:28 < erisco> I am quite proud
20:29 < horros> I dislike sqlite.
20:29 < Wombert> impl: didn't you ask him on IRC or so?
20:29 < impl> Wombert: you do realize that I go to class during weekdays right?
20:29 < Wombert> impl: eh?
20:29 < erisco> horros, its not as powerful, yes, but its nice and clean and isolated
20:29 < Wombert> impl: yeah sure, why? :p
20:29 < Wombert> impl: I thought I remembered some discussion between you and Macen about it
20:29 < horros> erisco: I dislike it for its complete lack of any form of datatypes :P
20:30 < horros> (and referential integrity)
20:30 < erisco> I don't know of any other well-known flat-file-like databases though
20:31 < horros> I don't like flat-file-like databases.
20:31 < horros> But that's just me (it seems).
20:31 < impl> I don't either
20:31 < horros> HA!
20:31 < impl> Maybe it's the Enterprise in me talking
20:31 < erisco> I just liked the idea for development
20:31 < Wombert> impl: wat are you talking about
20:31 < horros> I knew there HAD to be at least one other sane person in the world!
20:31 < saracen> impl: Star Trek?
20:31 < impl> No, fuck off
20:32 < saracen> lawl
20:32 < Wombert> oh wait. sqlite
20:32 * Wombert stabs everyone
20:32 < erisco> it seems easier to work with multiple projects if each database is nicely separated and tied into its directories
20:32 < horros> OI!
20:32 < horros> No stabbing :(
20:32 < horros> It's already half past ten.
20:32 < erisco> so if I deleted the project files I don't have to forget to delete the database... and then have it sit around for a year and finally realize what it wasn't for anymore
20:33 < horros> erisco: So what if you leave a DB laying around?
20:33 < erisco> with Agavi using different database setups in development and production should be a breeze anyways right? :)
20:33 < erisco> horros, I try to be neat, is all
20:33 < horros> I think I have abouy 25 databases on my development box at work
20:33 < horros> 20 of which I've no idea what they're for :)
20:34 < horros> hrrmh.
20:34 < impl> erisco: of course the problem being that SQLite-SQL isn't compatible with MySQL-SQL or pgsql-SQL or Transact SQL or whatever else
20:34 < erisco> you could look at the access logs and see what's querying on them perhaps
20:34 < horros> erisco: Umm, "nothing". I know what I'm running, it's just databases I've created throughout the year for some reason or the other
20:35 < erisco> impl, yes, quite so. setting up a minimal abstraction layer for that isn't too difficult for that though, without resorting to an orm
20:35 < horros> years*
20:35 < horros> Hmmh, out with ze dog. bbl.
20:36 < erisco> impl, depending on the situation of course. I haven't found myself in the need of terribly rdbms-specific features
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20:36 < impl> like 'stored procedures'?
20:36 < erisco> nope. I'm still starting out, haven't needed anything like that
20:37 < erisco> I still have mysql, sheesh, I just want to give sqlite a try and see if I find it more manageable
20:37 < impl> .gv gay porn
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20:37 < impl> loool
20:37 < Wombert> ZE FUCK
20:37 < impl> 15:36:24 < saracen> noob, it's in agavi though. But, I don't think I'll make many friends if you trigger it =(
20:38 < saracen> I only wish you shared the same fear, bitch
20:38 < Wombert> .g fail
20:38 < Sandvich> 163,000,000 FAIL Blog: Pictures and Videos of Owned, Pwnd and Fail Moments @ http://failblog.org/ | Shipment of Fail @ http://www.shipmentoffail.com/ | Failure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure | YouTube - YoU FaiL , FaiLuRe ,EpiC FaiL!! @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1xqm7gmBjs
20:38 < impl> NOTHING FRIGHTENS THE GRAND IMPL
20:38 < saracen> MY BOAT WOULD
20:38 < impl> I WOULD COMMANDEER HER
20:39 < Wombert> if the grand impl ain't frightened by nothing, would he then tell me what
20:39 < Wombert> [21:29] impl: Wombert: you do realize that I go to class during weekdays right?
20:39 < Wombert> was about
20:39 < Wombert> also, impl, I want to add a Master.php to ze build templates and shit
20:39 < Wombert> how
20:39 < Wombert> :<
20:39 < impl> Wombert: all these HALPs when I'm not around and stuff
20:40 < Wombert> impl: oh I'm just saying HALP so you'll read it later and then reply or so
20:40 < impl> ANGRILY
20:40 < Wombert> you?
20:40 < Wombert> yes
20:40 * impl Led Zeppelin - Tangerine
20:40 < Wombert> wat happened to you
20:40 < impl> I'm just fucking with you
20:40 < impl> :D
20:41 < Wombert> :<
20:41 < saracen> I'd all so like to know what happened to you
20:41 < saracen> You used to be such a nice boy.
20:41 * Wombert stabs computer
20:41 < Wombert> COMPILE FASTER
20:41 < saracen> Ever since you went and hung out with a load of germans
20:41 < saracen> You've changed
20:42 < impl> .kick saracen lol dongs!
20:42 < um> impl: Error: You don't have the #agavi,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
20:42 < impl> oh gay
20:42 < impl> Freenode must have disabled the in-channel commands
20:42 < impl> or smth
20:43 < impl> well, lol dongs! to you anyway
20:43 < saracen> I got that, thanks
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20:46 < Wombert> AHA
20:46 < Wombert> mooh
20:46 < Wombert> it's really hoem tiem nao
20:46 < Wombert> bai
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21:15 < erisco> was that praising gentoo or taking a shot at it?
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21:25 < impl> Wombert: Finally fixed btw: "Opening php:// wrapper in append mode results in a warning"
21:28 < Wombert> impl: heh
21:28 < Wombert> in php?
21:28 < Wombert> oh wait I had a bug report about that or so
21:29 < Wombert> ah no that was another
21:29 < Wombert> http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=43510
21:29 < Wombert> you wouldn't happen to be compiling PHP right now right? :D
21:30 < impl> No
21:31 < impl> nfq: poke
21:32 < nfq> impl: 10 mins?
21:32 < impl> nfq: sure
21:34 < erisco> is unit testing ready to be used or is it still under development?
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22:02 < nfq> ok, impl wassup?
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22:07 < Whisller> hi
22:23 < impl> nfq: oh, hi
22:23 < nfq> hey impl
22:23 < impl> nfq: When you send business cards to be printed, do you do crop marks or bleed marks?
22:23 < nfq> crop marks
22:23 < impl> okay, good, thanks :D
22:23 < nfq> I usually include the slug and bleed area
22:23 < nfq> with 2mm
22:23 < nfq> I guess that's something in Imperial system
22:23 < nfq> I should know being English
22:24 < nfq> but i am so used to Metric by now
22:24 < impl> I think the standard here is 1/8in
22:24 < impl> it's not that big of a deal anyway, since my cards are just white
22:40 < impl> Wombert: 17:35:56 #php fov 02 Nov
22:40 < impl> er
22:40 < impl> Wombert: http://www.suspekt.org/2008/11/03/php-usb-device-to-solve-namespace-problems/
22:40 < impl> ^_^
22:40 < Wombert> ya
22:40 < saracen> That was pasted in here a few hours ago
22:40 < Wombert> impl: good you didn't have that porn site in the clipboard still :>
22:40 < impl> oh
22:40 < impl> what porn site
22:40 < Macen> 5mm here
22:40 < Wombert> Macen!
22:40 * saracen thinks Josh moment
22:40 < Wombert> impl and Macen
22:40 < Wombert> is that problem fixed
22:41 < Wombert> when creating actions
22:41 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/899
22:41 < Macen> not that i'm aware
22:41 < Wombert> did you try?
22:41 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/899#comment:3
22:41 < Macen> i had no way of getting notification of this
22:42 < Macen> this is a simple read function
22:42 < Wombert> well okay
22:42 < Wombert> can you try right now please?
22:43 < Macen> i mean, it was the default read option that was wrong
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22:43 < nfq> MikeSeth: you there?
22:43 < Wombert> 14:18 < Macen> Agavi > module-locate:
22:43 < Wombert> 14:18 < Macen> [property] Loading /Users/craigfairhurst/Sites/gosnews/app/modules/Users/build.properties
22:43 < Wombert> 14:18 < Macen> [property] Unable to find property file: /Users/craigfairhurst/Sites/gosnews/app/modules/Users/build.properties... skipped
22:43 < Wombert> 14:18 < Macen> Action for default system action [Index]:
22:43 < Wombert> 14:18 < Macen> its done it again
22:43 < Macen> Index never existed, that was it
22:43 < Macen> um
22:44 < Wombert> yeah but did you try again?
22:44 < Macen> yeah and that time i used "Public", which is what i specified previously
22:44 < Macen> i never specified "Index"
22:45 < Macen> where does the build system run from again?
22:45 < Wombert> impl: it didn't look like you did any change regarding this
22:45 < Macen> i can take a look
22:45 < Wombert> -didn't +doesn't
22:45 < impl> I didn't
22:45 < impl> I can't replicate it though, which is why I said to try the newest from SVN
22:46 < Macen> i;ve updated from .03 to .05 since
22:46 < Macen> i see...
22:46 < Macen> let me try
22:46 < Wombert> Macen: can you reproduce it please and walk impl through the exact steps
22:46 < Wombert> that would be great
22:46 < Wombert> cause I wanna roll a beta6 tomorrow
22:46 < Wombert> thanks guys
22:46 < Macen> kk
22:47 < impl> ugh
22:47 < impl> let me reboot to Linux
22:47 < Wombert> would be nice if either of you could add a comment to the ticket with whatever the result is
22:47 < Wombert> thanks
22:47 < Wombert> see you tomorrow
22:47 * Wombert &
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00:20 < CIA-6> impl * r3267 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php: preg_quote correctly in case someone uses a pound sign in a file name (it could happen...)
00:23 < CIA-6> impl * r3268 /branches/0.11/src/config/AgaviConfigCache.class.php: Backport [3267] to 0.11
00:24 < saracen> impl: This likes you touched some PHP
00:25 < saracen> +1 for TEAM BOAT
00:27 < impl> saracen: \intersection, BITCH.
00:28 < saracen> That doesn't change anything
00:28 < saracen> I know it
00:28 < saracen> You know it
00:29 < saracen> My boat knows it
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06:38 < horros> Huomenta.
06:46 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:35 < _cheerios> huomenta
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07:50 < _cheerios> hmm, when would apt-get not install php binaries
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08:27 < _cheerios> wierd wierd wierd
08:33 < Rendez> Huomenta!
08:33 < MikeSeth> huomenta
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08:40 < Wombert> nom
08:42 < v-dogg> om
08:45 < _cheerios> marklar|omni, around?
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09:18 < MikeSeth> nooom
09:26 < CIA-6> david * r3272 /branches/0.11/ (429 files in 3 dirs): Updated timezone database to 2008i, closes #912
09:26 < horros> hrrm.
09:29 < Wombert> guys
09:29 < Wombert> I think we should restructure the changelog
09:29 < Wombert> so it at least has releases in chronological order, not in version number order
09:30 < Wombert> right now, changes ported to 1.0 from 0.11 are not obvious from the 1.0 changelog alone, unless you
09:30 < Wombert> a) scroll down to 0.11
09:30 < Wombert> b) use your magic ball to find out that the change was actually ported to 1.0
09:31 < Seldaek> I don't haz magic ball :(
09:32 < MikeSeth> Wombert: isnt there a separate changelog for every branch?
09:33 < Wombert> no
09:33 < Wombert> right now, a fix ported from 0.11 shows up further down at the 0.11 release info, not at the 1.0 release where it was included
09:34 < Wombert> which I think is a problem
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09:35 < MikeSeth> because changelog is merged?
09:39 < Wombert> yeah
09:39 < MikeSeth> so you need to manage changelog
09:39 < MikeSeth> hm
09:40 * MikeSeth ponders
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10:11 < CIA-6> david * r3274 /branches/1.0/ (430 files in 3 dirs): merge [3271:3273/branches/0.11]
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10:25 < CIA-6> felix * r3275 /branches/felix-testing-implementation/ (436 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
10:25 < CIA-6> Merged [3257:3274/branches/1.0] via svnmerge:
10:25 < CIA-6> ........
10:25 < CIA-6> r3257 | david | 2008-10-31 16:05:00 +0100 (Fri, 31 Oct 2008) | 1 line
10:25 < CIA-6> minor cleanup
10:25 < CIA-6> ........
10:25 < CIA-6> r3261 | impl | 2008-11-02 23:15:22 +0100 (Sun, 02 Nov 2008) | 1 line
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10:26 < Wombert> NSFW INDEED
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10:31 < Macen> how did i manage on windows
10:31 < dsias> I using a non standard app layout, how can i modify the build tools to work with my new layout?
10:31 < Macen> man..
10:31 < Macen> i think build.properties
10:31 < Macen> or build.xml
10:32 < dsias> I installed the agavi tools with pear
10:32 < Macen> agavi isn't a toolkit
10:32 < dsias> how will this work when I upgrade to 1.0
10:33 < Macen> i upgraded to 1.0b3 and there were a couple of problems
10:33 < dsias> agavi cli tool
10:33 < dsias> app
10:33 < Macen> and i mostly was serving static pages
10:34 < Macen> changing the agavi root folder then upgrading...i don't know how to keep your changes..
10:34 < Wombert> dsias: what is the question exactly?
10:34 < Wombert> I didn't quite get it
10:34 < dsias> what is the best way to make my configuration changes to keep them between updates
10:35 < dsias> I'm looking to have the agavi cli app work with project setup like /apps/someapp /apps/blog
10:35 < Macen> this is why we need a road map, so people can decide when to pick a version then stick to it
10:35 < Macen> unless there is a way to maintain updates
10:35 < dsias> so i can have several apps in one project
10:36 < CIA-6> david * r3276 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/build.xml): Fixed #914: build.xml is missing reset of code templates dir to default before copying dist.htaccess
10:36 < Wombert> dsias: well, 1.0 has a new build system
10:36 < Wombert> if that answers the question (not sure; I still don't quite follow)
10:36 < dsias> is it ready to go?
10:37 < Wombert> yeah I'd say so
10:37 < Macen> dsias: actually i think you are missing what modules are
10:37 < dsias> i have many module in an app
10:37 < whisller> But I think he is asking about several apps not modules Macen
10:37 < dsias> I want to keep all the project in one vhost
10:37 < whisller> hmm
10:37 < dsias> apps
10:37 < Wombert> Macen: actually i [sic] think you don't even know what he's talking about
10:37 < whisller> Not he don't ;p
10:38 < whisller> dsias: so you want have one copy of agavi and many apps referer to it?
10:38 < Macen> maybe :p
10:38 < dsias> yes
10:38 < Macen> but i think he is missing something
10:38 < Wombert> dsias: but why do you need to customize the build system for that?
10:38 < dsias> in the same vhost
10:38 < Wombert> uuuuh
10:38 * Wombert blinks
10:38 < Wombert> yeah but, err, what's the problem about that?
10:38 < dsias> if i change the layout from /app/.*
10:38 < Wombert> put it somewhere and done
10:38 < whisller> But you do not need to change anything in build system
10:39 < dsias> to /apps/bank /apps/blog
10:39 < Wombert> dsias: you do not need to change app layouts or build system things to use the same agavi instance in many apps!?
10:39 < dsias> the agavi build tool will not work
10:39 < Wombert> wrong
10:39 < dsias> it can't find the project on my system now
10:40 < Wombert> what does your layout look like right now
10:41 < Macen> i know what his problem is, i can't put it into words though...
10:41 < dsias> / apps/banking /apps/blog /apps/billing /apps/transaction_Processing_service
10:42 < dsias> where /apps/banking was /app
10:42 < Wombert> dsias: !?!?!?
10:43 < Wombert> why don't you have apps/banking/app/
10:43 < Wombert> apps/blog/app
10:43 < Wombert> etc
10:43 < Wombert> each blog/, banking/, ... folder contains app/ and pub/
10:43 < Wombert> ?
10:43 < dsias> I was hoping to just change the build rules
10:43 < Wombert> waitwait
10:43 < dsias> no
10:43 < Wombert> what does that have to do with the build system
10:44 < whisller> He want do something like in symfony, you've got many apps with one pub
10:44 < Wombert> whisller: yes, but... what's the problem about that!?
10:44 < whisller> I don't know ; p
10:44 < Wombert> it can be done, and it doesn't require changes to the build system
10:44 < whisller> I know that
10:44 < dsias> I change my layout to what you suggested
10:44 < dsias> i'll
10:44 < whisller> so dsias http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/pub/index.php
10:44 < dsias> it will work for sure
10:45 < Wombert> dsias: what does it look right now?
10:45 < whisller> As you can see, you can define path to your app config file
10:45 < whisller> It can be /blog/app/config.php , /dupadupa/app/config.php and so on
10:45 < whisller> So you can have one vhost and many apps
10:45 < Wombert> also, I really don't get the benefit. why do you need all apps in the same folder just for them to work in the same vhost?
10:45 < dsias> just thought it would be easy to change the build vars to let it work with my current layout
10:45 < Wombert> dsias: could probably be done in 1.0, but I'm really not sure if you're not making too much effort there!?
10:46 < dsias> just out env in svn
10:46 < Wombert> put each app into it's own folder (with just app/) and have one pub/ folder where you put... well, I don't know what
10:46 < whisller> dsias: easier will be change path to app in your index.php/blog.php etc
10:46 < Wombert> how does that work then... do you have pub/blog.php, pub/banking.php etc?
10:46 < Wombert> that works just like that
10:46 < Wombert> nobody forces you to have pub/ on the same level as app/
10:47 < Wombert> (look closely at what index.php contains)
10:47 < dsias> i used a different index.php at each entry point /blog/
10:47 < Wombert> ah like... pub/blog?
10:47 < dsias> in routing
10:47 < Wombert> dsias: could you _please_ post your dir structure?
10:47 < dsias> yes
10:47 < whisller> hmm :>
10:47 < whisller> Now I don't understand anything :D
10:47 < Wombert> yeah me neither :p
10:48 < Macen> join my club then :/
10:48 < dsias> in the web root /blog/ i have index.php call the controller of the correct app
10:48 < dsias> for each app
10:48 < dsias> / banking/
10:48 < whisller> ahh but
10:49 < whisller> are you trying whole app dynamicaly?
10:49 < whisller> using filter or something :>
10:49 < dsias> each has it own routing
10:50 < whisller> dsias: in your apps/ but your app like apps/blog/app, apps/something/app then in pub add /pub/blog, /pub/something and then just add vhosts for it.
10:50 < whisller> And then you will have separate apps
10:51 < dsias> hmm
10:51 < dsias> might be easier
10:52 < dsias> it seems to be working fine with mod_rewrite
10:53 < dsias> when will 1.0 be released?
10:53 < whisller> is, beta 5
10:53 < dsias> kewl
10:54 < whisller> http://www.agavi.org/download
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10:54 < dsias> ty
10:54 < dsias> love the new site
10:54 < dsias> :)
10:54 < whisller> yeah isn't bad
10:56 < dsias> will there be somewhere for users to upload code?
10:57 < whisller> btw add img { border: 0px; } in blog, because on FF logo has border
10:57 < whisller> as I know digitarald is working on it
10:57 < whisller> *in blog css
11:01 < Macen> possible to use gettext with heredoc anyone?
11:05 < PyroBilly> Just _(<< multiline blah
11:05 < PyroBilly> EOF
11:05 < PyroBilly> );
11:06 < PyroBilly> You may have to write your own string extractor though
11:09 < Wombert> yes dsias
11:11 < Wombert> PyroBilly: string extractor?
11:11 < Wombert> ah
11:11 < Wombert> http://grammatista-project.org/ ;)
11:11 < Wombert> though I think that cannot handle heredoc yet; good point
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11:18 < saracen> Anybody here know how I can tell doctrine to use a specific charset globally?
11:23 < Wombert> yeah it's some option
11:23 < Wombert> for the mysql driver
11:23 < v-dogg> Wombert: oh, btw, I don't think app/ is the place for log/
11:23 < Wombert> agavi supports those
11:23 < Wombert> v-dogg: ?
11:23 < Wombert> v-dogg: you mean in general?
11:23 < Wombert> could be, yeah
11:24 < Wombert> rather have a top level log/ folder? or what do you suggest?
11:24 < v-dogg> Wombert: yeah, that's application data and shouldn't be in the "code directory"
11:24 < Wombert> yeah probably
11:24 < Wombert> in fact, the same could be argued for app/cache
11:24 < v-dogg> yes
11:24 < saracen> Wombert: _was_ it ATTR_DEFAULT_TABLE_CHARSET? Because, that seems to have been removed now. =(
11:25 < Wombert> saracen: I dunno. check the docs
11:25 < saracen> The docs lie =(
11:25 < v-dogg> Wombert: I have a top-level dir data/ and log/ inside is (among other things)
11:25 < v-dogg> it*
11:26 < whisller> saracen: did you used SET CHARACTER SET utf8?
11:27 < whisller> but it is for mysql only
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11:27 < whisller> *mysql need it
11:27 < Wombert> http://trac.doctrine-project.org/browser/branches/1.1/lib/Doctrine/Connection/Mysql.php#L123
11:28 < saracen> whisller: I was hoping on a way to set it via databases.xml. It appears I can set it per table, but then doctrine says for some databases, that might not be enough. And that you should set it at connection level
11:28 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/database/AgaviDoctrineDatabase.class.php#L119
11:28 < Wombert> there you go saracen
11:29 < Wombert> that will cause mysql to connect right away, though (meh)
11:29 < saracen> Wombert: http://trac.doctrine-project.org/browser/tags/1.0.3/lib/Doctrine/Connection.php#L682
11:29 < saracen> =)
11:30 < Wombert> saracen: http://trac.doctrine-project.org/browser/branches/1.1/lib/Doctrine/Connection/Mysql.php#L123
11:30 < saracen> Damn it
11:30 < saracen> Thank you :)
11:30 < Wombert> mmm :p
11:31 < Wombert> I've never, ever used doctrine btw <:
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11:43 < _cheerios> if you can, add the charset to the mysql server to handle, so no need in code
11:44 < _cheerios> (given you use eg. utf8 only)
11:45 < horros> Bah.
11:45 < horros> I can't seem to get to work with Propel :(
11:48 < horros> DOMDocument::load(): Extra content at the end of the document in file:///blahblah/public.xml, line: 73
11:48 < horros> except
11:48 < horros> The file is 468 lines, and line 73 is
11:48 < horros> :(
11:52 < MikeSeth> man internets sure are slow today
11:57 < kaos|work_> MikeSeth: no, it's more like you'r back to a country w/o fast internets :P
11:59 < v-dogg> your internets is just not kosher :)
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12:00 < Wombert> nomnom
12:02 < MikeSeth> kaos|work_: and I *am* :D
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12:04 < horros> Ha.
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12:05 < horros> Needed to wrap everything in -tags in the external schemas.
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12:28 < MikeSeth> headache
12:29 < horros> bored
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12:45 < horros> Bah.
12:45 < horros> Stupid preg_quote
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13:30 < CIA-6> felix * r3277 /branches/felix-testing-implementation/test/tests/unit/routing/AgaviRoutingTest.php:
13:30 < CIA-6> added a test for #263
13:30 < CIA-6> refs #263, #308
13:39 < MrJeep> morning
13:40 < v-dogg> I'm pretty sure you mean "huomenta" :p
13:41 < MrJeep> hum, yeah this is what I meant
13:41 < MrJeep> :P
13:42 < CIA-6> felix * r3278 /branches/felix-testing-implementation/test/tests/unit/routing/AgaviWebRoutingTest.php:
13:42 < CIA-6> added a testcase for #365
13:42 < CIA-6> - refs #365, #308
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13:48 < CIA-6> felix * r3279 /branches/felix-testing-implementation/test/tests/unit/routing/AgaviWebRoutingTest.php:
13:48 < CIA-6> added a testcase for #277
13:48 < CIA-6> - refs #277, #308
13:58 < CIA-6> felix * r3280 /branches/felix-testing-implementation/test/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixes the testcase for the generation of the shortest possible urls
13:59 < aka> ;)
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14:05 < CIA-6> felix * r3281 /branches/felix-testing-implementation/test/tests/unit/routing/AgaviWebRoutingTest.php:
14:05 < CIA-6> fixed testcases for #444, by default the longest possible url is generated
14:05 < CIA-6> - refs #444, #308
14:35 < Goleo[66]> hi guys
14:37 < Goleo[66]> for use i18n i should make manualy dev folder or with specfy command make that? also *.mo files
14:37 < Goleo[66]> can somebody give me document about that
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14:44 < Goleo[66]> Wombert, hi :)
14:46 < fnordfish> Huomenta - where is the API doc? http://www.agavi.org/apidocs/ is kinda empty
14:47 < Wombert> fnordfish: "packages" in top right
14:47 < Wombert> I'll fix that in a bit
14:47 < CIA-6> felix * r3282 /branches/felix-testing-implementation/test/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
14:47 < CIA-6> added testcases for #764
14:47 < CIA-6> - refs #764, #308
14:48 < fnordfish> ah ic
14:48 < fnordfish> thanks
14:55 < Goleo[66]> for use i18n i should make manualy dev folder or with specfy command make that? also *.mo files
14:57 < v-dogg> you need to do those manually
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14:57 < Goleo[66]> v-dogg, thx :)
14:58 < Goleo[66]> v-dogg, but *.mo files i should write st into that file
15:04 < v-dogg> you write your translation string into .mo files. see gettext manual for more information
15:05 < v-dogg> this is not related to Agavi and I don't know gettext, sorry
15:06 < Goleo[66]> v-dogg, i should write my stroing in *.po file
15:06 < Goleo[66]> but i don't know what *.mo files is
15:08 < v-dogg> oh, sorry, I .mo is a compiled .po
15:08 < PyroBilly> Goleo[66]: This isn't really agavi but message me and I will explain the basics to you
15:09 < v-dogg> and you need to compile .po files with gettext tools
15:09 < v-dogg> PyroBilly to ze rescue :)
15:09 * Wombert grumbles
15:10 * Wombert ponders adding docs in all the spots where impl didn't bother to
15:11 < Macen> blah
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15:12 < Goleo[66]> PyroBilly, !
15:12 < v-dogg> Wombert: what would those spots be?
15:12 < Wombert> lots of build stuff mainly
15:13 < Wombert> I did a lot already but my wrist hurts
15:13 < Wombert> and I need to get more coding done today :>
15:14 < v-dogg> get a better keyboard (e.g. logitech's natural or whatever this is called)
15:14 < v-dogg> you need to have your wrists in an unnatural position with a normal straight keyboard
15:14 < Xylakant> v-dogg: wombert hat a great apple keyboard, don
15:14 < Xylakant> 't
15:15 < Xylakant> tell him to give that away :)
15:15 < Xylakant> he'll hate you for it
15:15 < Wombert> I like it :<
15:15 < Wombert> also, I had a msft keyboard once that I think was ergonomic, at least a bit
15:15 < Wombert> basically, I ruin my carpal tunnels during sleep, not during work
15:15 < Wombert> which is, kind of, meh
15:15 < Xylakant> well then
15:15 < Xylakant> sleep less, work more
15:16 < Wombert> all I really need is a chick to sleep alongside me to cuddle. then I don't need to use my arms as pillows
15:16 < Wombert>
15:16 < v-dogg> or just stop wanking :)
15:16 < saracen> chicks use _your_ arms as pillows
15:16 < v-dogg> or use left hand for a change
15:17 < Wombert> saracen: fine with me. as long as I don't put an arm below my head and twist the wrist all the way down to be comfortable
15:17 * Wombert tsabs v-dogg
15:18 < saracen> Wombert: Nothing is worse than being restricted because somebodies sleeping on your arm. Nothing!
15:18 < saracen> Anyway, I has question
15:19 < Wombert> saracen: it's fun. your arm goes numb and feels like it doesn't belong to your body. also, I guess it depends on taste. anyway
15:19 < v-dogg> if it's not wrist related, you just have to wait
15:19 < Wombert> has your question plz
15:19 < Wombert> haha v-dogg
15:19 < Wombert> imma grab caek
15:19 < Wombert> brb
15:20 < saracen> Event notification via emails. Say I send a notification, and then another one, which cancels out both notifications, I have to perform some logic to figure that out. Is this where creating an email output type/context would come in handy?
15:22 < saracen> For example, say I have an event. The admin cancels it. I don't want to send the email out to all attendees straight away, because he might uncancel it after 10 seconds. Then the admin uncancels it -- if the first cancallation email is still waiting to be sent, I need to take them both out of the queue, becauses nothings changed.
15:23 < saracen> I once implemented this via a model, it got messy quickly, because theres lots of different "types" of email that can be sent. It makes me wonder if other people are doing this through agavi, so it goes through actions and such.
15:32 < CIA-6> felix * r3283 /branches/felix-testing-implementation/test/tests/unit/routing/AgaviWebRoutingTest.php:
15:32 < CIA-6> added a testcase for #432
15:32 < CIA-6> - refs #432, #308
15:39 < Xylakant> saracen: the main problem you face is probably the queuing
15:39 < Xylakant> the way you describe that you'd want to store the mails to be sent for a short while
15:39 < Xylakant> so why don't you go and create some sort of notification queue where you store the timestamp, the type etc
15:39 < Xylakant> and whether it's a cancelation or an uncancelation
15:39 < Xylakant> and then have a cron or the like pull that queue and send the email
15:39 < Xylakant> and so you can handle all that "oh i changed my mind stuff" in the queuing code
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15:58 < Wombert> saracen, Xylakant: www.dropr.org
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16:08 < v-dogg> Wombert: what's that? should I be worried about the invalid ssl cert?-)
16:08 < Wombert> a message queue thing thing
16:08 < Wombert> yeah ssl cert = fail
16:09 < MrJeep> why does it need to be secure.. .?
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16:12 < Xylakant> probably because the trac login uses the same url
16:12 < Xylakant> or rather host
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16:19 < CIA-6> felix * r3284 /branches/1.0/test/ (7 files in 3 dirs): merges [3217-3283:branches/felix-testing-implementation]
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16:25 < CIA-6> felix * r3285 /branches/felix-testing-implementation/:
16:25 < CIA-6> Blocked revisions 3284 via svnmerge
16:25 < CIA-6> ........
16:25 < CIA-6> r3284 | felix | 2008-11-04 17:19:35 +0100 (Tue, 04 Nov 2008) | 3 lines
16:25 < CIA-6> merges [3217-3283:branches/felix-testing-implementation]
16:25 < CIA-6> ........
16:31 < CIA-6> david * r3286 /branches/1.0/src/ (44 files in 9 dirs): lots of docs and cleanup and such
16:32 < Wombert> impl: can you do the rest plz kthx
16:32 < Wombert> not much left tbd
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16:36 < saracen> Wombert: Will you be getting l4d?
16:37 < Wombert> saracen: good question
16:37 < Wombert> the trailer looks ace, but then, a multiplayer game cannot give you film-like entertainment
16:37 < Wombert> (a reason why I enjoyed games like Call of Duty loads)
16:37 < saracen> Did you ever play sven co-op?
16:38 < Wombert> decades ago, and it was lame
16:38 < Wombert> just like synergy or whatever it is called, I tried it for ~2mins
16:38 < Wombert> multiplayer FPS can be entertaining by providing plenty of lulz, but it cannot be entertaining by telling a story
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16:41 < _cheerios> jee
16:41 < saracen> true. I liked the concept behind sven, synergy and even hidden. But, I didn't play much, mostly because the maps were lame. Hoping l4d will sort of bring the best of both worlds.
16:41 < saracen> End of the day, with the people I play with, we can generally make a game out of anything. Would be nice if it has the playability of tf2 though
16:42 < _cheerios> heh, didn't see the f1 race http://fotos.subefotos.com/a984babe3db3feffe4e295c5e18197cfo.gif
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16:46 < saracen> lawl
16:47 < CIA-6> felix * r3287 /branches/1.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
16:47 < CIA-6> - fixes #902
16:47 < CIA-6> - adds testcases for #902
16:47 < saracen> I was going home at that point. Annoying as hell, I bet inplay betting at that point was all over the place.
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16:51 < CIA-6> felix * r3288 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/routing/AgaviWebRouting.class.php): - fixes #902
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17:33 < krycek__> is it a bad idea forward to another action in the action's execute()?
17:35 < Strzalek> krycek__: no it isn't
17:35 < Strzalek> you can do it by: return array("Module", "Action");
17:37 < krycek__> because it always will be forward to another action, and it does not depend on the output type but on a value from the bd
17:37 < krycek__> right
17:37 < krycek__> thanks man
17:38 < Wombert> nonsense
17:38 < Wombert> you can give control to a view that way
17:39 < Wombert> but not to an action
17:41 < krycek__> yeap... it calls AgaviController->createViewInstance
17:41 < krycek__> how to call an action?
17:43 < Strzalek> krycek__: in view $this->createForwardContainer("Module","Action", array($params));
17:44 < krycek__> right, in the view i knew how... i guess what i'm trying to do should be solved by a callback class in the routing
17:47 < krycek__> i'll end up with a lot of callback classes as a lot of actions will act depending of that info from the db
17:47 < Wombert> mind explaining what you are doing?
17:50 < krycek__> i'm tryint to create a shopping cart... but i thought of doing that a lil bit flexible... so i can have more than one product's type... view a product, add it to the cart, etc... will depending on the product's type
17:50 < krycek__> *trying
18:09 < krycek__> works fine with callbacks... but can't i access a parameter submitted by "POST" in onMatched()?
18:10 < krycek__> it looks like just parameters mapped in routing.xml are there
18:12 < impl> Wombert: the rest of what?
18:13 < impl> oh jesus
18:14 < impl> you put my bloody name everywhere
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18:22 < saracen> Yeah, impl who doesn't touch PHP anymoar
18:22 < saracen> +2 for TEAM BOAT
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18:41 < _cheerios> v-dogg, do you know who sings the song "Systeemi" (goes something like: "Aina systeemi valvoo, et yksin tee ees kuolemaa, sen tallentaa A-T-K, pelkkä tunnus et muuta oo....")? Feels old-fashioned, but it's got a charming touch :p
18:42 < horros> Sounds like Pelle Miljoona
18:42 < horros> I recongise the lyrics.
18:42 < horros> But I can't get the song in my head.
18:45 < _cheerios> google found the name Systeemi next to this artist http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiska . bleh. hard to find finnish stuff :)
18:47 < horros> wait
18:47 < horros> hmm
18:47 < horros> What genre is it?
18:48 < horros> Somehow the lyrics look like Pelle/Kakkahätä-77/Kohu-63 :)
18:48 < _cheerios> hehe
18:49 < _cheerios> genre lienee iskelmä
18:51 < horros> hold on a sec
18:52 < _cheerios> http://musiikkilataamo.hs.fi/Magellan/search.do?storeId=13401&pageSize=50&fromIndex=0&itemType=-1&searchType=ALL&searchTerm=%20Taiska&ref=adword_Taiska&gclid=CJSC2PKY3JYCFRmA1Qod1gbT2A
18:52 < _cheerios> it is her, there's a sample there
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18:57 < horros> Ah :)
18:57 < horros> Ah, yeah, KH-77 has a song called "Systeemi ei toimi" :)
18:57 < horros> that's probably what mixed me up :)
18:58 < _cheerios> probably as different as it gets to this tune :)
18:59 < impl> saracen: twisting my words for no reason doesn't make you funny, you know
18:59 < horros> _cheerios: Not really. I noticed the real title is Systeemi - System
18:59 < horros> _cheerios: Veljekset Perse has a song called Systeemi/System :)
19:00 < horros> (aka Brothers in Arse :D)
19:00 < _cheerios> yeah, i tried looking up the original as it felt it was a finnish dub-cover, but that found nothing on google
19:01 < _cheerios> this seems to be from a 1986 album. the lyrics are timely and even probably more so in 20 years :)
19:01 < horros> Aye :)
19:01 * horros cranks up Veljekset Perse/Brothers in Arse - Systeemi/System
19:02 < horros> http://www.mikseri.net/artists/veljeksetpersebrothersinarse.56409.php :)
19:02 < Wombert> re
19:02 < Wombert> impl: :D
19:04 < Wombert> impl: AgaviBuildLogger, AgaviProxyBuildLogger, AgaviOptionParser need docs
19:04 < Wombert> could you do that please?
19:04 < impl> AgaviOptionParser is fucked
19:04 < impl> fyi
19:04 < Wombert> not used or something?
19:04 < impl> you can't do -xyz, you have to do -x -y -z
19:04 < Wombert> I was just saying to felix "hey impl built this thing"
19:04 < impl> :D
19:05 < impl> No, it's just architected in the most retarded way possible
19:05 < impl> hehe
19:05 < Wombert> cause we
19:05 < Wombert> a) need that for console interface stuff
19:05 < Wombert> b) are using phpunit's for the tests atm
19:05 < impl> It just needs a few fixes
19:05 < Wombert> okay umm then... lets rewrite a generic one for 1.1 when we add console stuff or so
19:05 < Wombert> :>
19:05 < impl> it is generic
19:05 < impl> it just needs fixing
19:05 < Wombert> ok
19:05 < Wombert> impl: I know it's annoying but... could you do the docs like... _now_? :>
19:06 < Wombert> I'm fixing a couple of other things and then I'll try to roll beta6
19:06 < _cheerios> horros, hard to like after Taiska's voice -- but I could use the added energy from the band compared to this iskelmä -feel :)
19:06 < impl> Wombert: I'm leaving in 15 minutes but I'll try
19:07 < Wombert> impl: big hug
19:07 < impl> Wombert: I upgraded the RAM in my laptop from 1GB to 4GB today
19:07 < Wombert> impl: kick ass huh?
19:07 < impl> so I should be 400% more productive
19:07 < impl> lulz
19:07 < Wombert> on laptops, ram and fast disk are key
19:07 < impl> it has a 7200RPM disk :D
19:07 < Wombert> suppress_redirect_content, is that a good name for a flag that controls whether or not content is sent on redirects (in web response)
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19:07 < impl> Wombert: redirect_suppress_content
19:08 < impl> it's not 'redirect content'
19:08 < Wombert> gayness
19:08 < impl> u r a
19:09 < Wombert> I really should get home and watch wolf blitzer with his magic board thing helping me understand exit polls
19:09 < Wombert> but no
19:09 < saracen> 18:58:41 < impl> saracen: twisting my words for no reason doesn't make you funny, you know
19:09 < Wombert> agavi > world events that change our lives forever
19:09 < saracen> It makes me annoying though, right?
19:09 < impl> saracen: yes
19:09 < saracen> impl: +3 team boat.
19:09 < impl> Wombert: psh it doesn't matter until after 7PM EST
19:09 < impl> EDT?
19:10 < impl> EST
19:10 < Wombert> middle of ze night either way for me
19:10 < Wombert> so
19:10 < Wombert> I'll get up tomorrow unless mccain seized powah and started a nucular war
19:10 < Wombert> kek
19:11 < Wombert> impl: redirect_send_content ?
19:11 < Wombert> the problem is we have params like "send_content_length"
19:11 < Wombert> but mmmmh that's not so wrong actually
19:13 < v-dogg> no, that's fine imo
19:13 < v-dogg> send_content_on_redirect
19:13 < Wombert> too long
19:13 < Wombert> :<
19:14 < Wombert> and too gay, I thought about that mmm
19:14 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/916
19:14 < Wombert> NOT SAYING YOU ARE GAY, V-DOGG, BUT... :>
19:14 < v-dogg> BUT what?-D
19:15 < impl> Wombert: is the test suite failing?
19:15 < Wombert> impl: eh?
19:15 < impl> ~/projects/agavi/svn/branches/1.0/tests2 % php AllTests.php
19:15 < impl> Notice: Undefined variable: config in /home/nfontes/projects/agavi/svn/branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviAutoloadConfigHandler.class.php on line 84
19:15 < Wombert> ze fuck
19:15 < impl> Fatal error: Compilation of configuration file '/home/nfontes/projects/agavi/svn/branches/1.0/tests2/sandbox2/config/autoload.xml' failed for the following reason(s):
19:15 < impl> Configuration file "" specifies class "AgaviXmlConfigDomNodeListIterator" with nonexistent or unreadable file "/home/nfontes/projects/agavi/svn/branches/1.0/src/config/util/dom/AgaviXmlConfigDomNodeListIterator.class.php" in /home/nfontes/projects/agavi/svn/branches/1.0/src/core/Agavi.class.php on line 63
19:15 < Wombert> well you broke that I guess :p
19:15 < Wombert> eww
19:15 < impl> nuh uh
19:15 < Wombert> gayness
19:15 < Wombert> that was me :>
19:16 < impl> :>
19:16 < Wombert> [20:15] impl: Notice: Undefined variable: config in /home/nfontes/projects/agavi/svn/branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviAutoloadConfigHandler.class.php on line 84
19:16 < Wombert> sounds like your fault tho
19:17 < CIA-6> impl * r3289 /branches/1.0/src/build/agavi/phing/AgaviBuildLogger.php: Documentation (1/3): AgaviBuildLogger
19:17 < CIA-6> david * r3290 /branches/1.0/src/config/defaults/autoload.xml: fixed my dumbness from [3286]
19:17 < impl> Wombert: I dunno, it wasn't failing before
19:19 < CIA-6> david * r3291 /branches/1.0/src/config/AgaviAutoloadConfigHandler.class.php: fixed incorrect config file name variable
19:19 < Wombert> impl: it was you <:
19:19 < Wombert> so, "redirect_send_content" it is then?
19:19 < impl> ^_^
19:19 < impl> Wombert: sounds okay
19:19 < impl> (sry)
19:20 < Wombert> np :>
19:22 < CIA-6> impl * r3292 /branches/1.0/src/build/agavi/phing/AgaviBuildLogger.php: Documentation (1/3): Document parameters in AgaviBuildLogger
19:22 < CIA-6> david * r3293 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/response/AgaviWebResponse.class.php): Optionally allow sending of response content when redirecting in AgaviWebResponse, closes #916
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19:23 < CIA-6> impl * r3294 /branches/1.0/src/build/agavi/phing/AgaviProxyBuildLogger.php: Documentation (2/3): Document AgaviProxyBuildLogger
19:23 < impl> Wombert: I don't have time to document the OptionParser right now :(
19:24 < impl> but I'll do it when I get back tonight
19:24 < impl> nobody should ever look at that class anyway
19:24 < CIA-6> david * r3295 /branches/0.11/CHANGELOG: Changelog fix
19:24 < Wombert> impl: ok thanks
19:24 < Wombert> later is fine
19:24 < Wombert> I know, but still... 100% perfect API docs is one of our hallmarks :>
19:29 < Wombert> mmm guys
19:29 < Wombert> question
19:29 < Wombert> v-dogg: poek
19:33 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/0.11.5/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php#L515
19:33 < Wombert> should I get rid of that check?
19:33 < Wombert> right now, it means that if your slot does not do anything except for setting a redirect, that redirect won't happen
19:33 < Wombert> you need to do return '';
19:33 < MrJeep_> it's hard to read with that letter-spacing :S
19:34 < Wombert> I wouldn't say it is a bug; the check is clearly there on purpose, but I can't remember for what reason. might just be optimization or so
19:34 < Wombert> is the letter spacing big or small?
19:34 < MrJeep_> too big
19:34 < MrJeep_> it's 1px, I suggest to use the default value
19:34 < MrJeep_> which is nothing
19:39 < nfq> Wombert: Arial looks crap without default spacing
19:40 < MrJeep_> v e r y m u c h l i k e t h i s
19:40 < nfq> not quite
19:40 < Wombert> I removed the spacing and it looks like ass (almost literally)
19:40 < nfq> yeah
19:40 < nfq> I agree
19:40 < MrJeep_> I don't see any difference right now
19:40 < Wombert> well, I have time to optimize and stuff on friday
19:41 < v-dogg> Wombert: poek back, woot?
19:41 < Wombert> [20:33] Wombert: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/0.11.5/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php#L515
19:41 < Wombert> [20:33] Wombert: should I get rid of that check?
19:41 < Wombert> [20:33] Wombert: right now, it means that if your slot does not do anything except for setting a redirect, that redirect won't happen
19:41 < Wombert> [20:33] Wombert: you need to do return '';
19:42 < v-dogg> if getting rid of it doesn't have any side effect, yes
19:43 < Wombert> I don't think it has
19:45 < v-dogg> redirecting from a slot can't be very common but ...->setRedirect($url); return ''; is not kosher :)
19:45 < Wombert> yea
19:45 < Wombert> I probably thought something like... well I dunno
19:46 < Wombert> in worst case, you explicitly need to call clear() on the response
19:46 < Wombert> I'd say this goes under bugfix, almost
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19:55 < CIA-6> david * r3296 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php): Always merge slot response metadata even if response content is null, closes #917
20:04 < Wombert>
20:04 < Wombert>
20:04 < Wombert>
20:04 < Wombert>
20:04 < Wombert> look, impl
20:04 < Wombert> this is why you rock so much
20:04 < Wombert> I can just hand you a task and I know it'll be perfect
20:04 * Wombert hugs impl
20:04 < Wombert> now, mccain, please win this electin
20:05 < v-dogg> no wayh
20:05 < v-dogg> ze nigga is gonna win
20:06 < MrJeep_> mccain.. ? are you kidding ?
20:06 < CIA-6> david * r3297 /branches/1.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): merge [3274:3296/branches/0.11]
20:10 < Wombert> oh I should probably explain
20:10 < Wombert> mccain wins = impl leaves the US of A
20:11 < Wombert> at least that's my guess
20:11 < Wombert> :>
20:11 < v-dogg> :)
20:11 < MrJeep_> this is somewhat selfish :P
20:13 < Wombert> I know :p
20:13 < v-dogg> yeah, who cares about the rest of the world as long as we can get impl imported :)
20:15 < v-dogg> maybe we should just let them (american authorities) know impl is doing open source a.k.a. communism software and they'd deport him
20:16 < v-dogg> though, that plan could backfire and they'd send him to guantanamo
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20:22 < MrJeep_> with Big Bob
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20:44 < saracen> var parent = $this.getParent();
20:44 < saracen> SIGH, php > js programming
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21:00 < Wombert> ehhh
21:00 < Wombert> "lol"
21:00 < Wombert> impl: AgaviXmlConfigParser::transformProcessingInstructions() seems kind of
21:00 < Wombert> well
21:00 < Wombert> half-done ^^
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21:17 < CIA-6> david * r3298 /branches/1.0/ (CHANGELOG src/config/AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php): Fixed #918: AgaviXmlConfigParser::transformProcessingInstructions() is broken completely
21:17 < Wombert> coolness
21:17 < Wombert> check that when you're back, impl, just in case I missed something
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21:33 < E_mE``> huomenta
21:33 < E_mE``> impl: you voting?
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00:49 < MugeSo> huomenta
01:24 < MugeSo> How can i use AgaviDateTimeValidator :(
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01:40 < MugeSo> format syntax of AgaviDateFormat confuse me :(
01:42 < MugeSo> it is not the same as one of date function :(
02:15 < MugeSo> it's work!
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02:47 < krycek__> [MugeSo]: can you share some code? i'll have to use it, a look at it working may make things easier
02:47 < krycek__> but if you can't... no problem
02:49 < MugeSo> you mean code using AgaviDateTimeValidator?
02:50 < krycek__> yes
02:50 < MugeSo> ok
02:52 < MugeSo> http://pastie.org/307740
02:54 < bobbytek2> huomenta
02:54 < MugeSo> this accepts eg 'start_date'=>'2008/11/05', 'start_time'=>'20:33'
02:55 < krycek__> hmmm... i tought the format wouldn't be necessary because it should be locale aware
02:56 < krycek__> ops.. thought
02:56 < krycek__> sorry my english ;/
02:56 < krycek__> it may sound a little funny hhehe
02:57 < MugeSo> no problem ;)
02:58 < krycek__> you are with translation enable, right?
02:58 < MugeSo> yeah
02:59 < MugeSo> the validator doesn't work without translation feature :(
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03:00 < krycek__> that's why i think its weird it expects a static format
03:05 < MugeSo> of course, we can use it with out format parameter.
03:06 < MugeSo> However, when we use a format which different from locale one, it's required.
03:09 < krycek__> right, where are you getting infos about those parameters?
03:11 < MugeSo> from source code :p http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/src/validator/AgaviDateTimeValidator.class.php
03:11 < krycek__> i'll have to look too to see what arguments_formatdoes
03:11 < krycek__> *arguments_format does
03:12 < MugeSo> arguments_format formats input arguments.
03:13 < MugeSo> i use printf's format syntax.
03:13 < MugeSo> s/i/it/
03:14 < krycek__> "output" format, isn't it?
03:15 < MugeSo> no, input for validation.
03:15 < krycek__> oh, i see now... it splits your input string
03:15 < krycek__> cool
03:15 < MugeSo> ;)
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04:53 < v-dogg> huomenta
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08:04 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:11 < v-dogg> kaffe
08:14 < _cheerios> got some work done on personal project last evening after all the army hubbub and stuff, previous commit was 21/10 :|
08:17 < _cheerios> http://schlueters.de/blog/archives/86-Direct-MySQL-Stream-Access.html
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08:24 < horros> Huomenta.
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08:42 < MikeSeth> scuse me
08:42 < MikeSeth> YES WE CAN!
08:42 < MikeSeth> YES WE CAN!
08:42 < MikeSeth> YES WE CAN!
08:42 < MikeSeth> etc
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08:46 < Rendez> Huomenta Obama!
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09:08 < v-dogg> sounds like people here are pleased to see Obama win
09:13 < _cheerios> v-dogg: yeah, the african american here at the office is very much so
09:14 < v-dogg> heh
09:19 < MikeSeth> give him a banaWAIT
09:19 < MikeSeth> heh
09:19 < MikeSeth> well
09:19 < MikeSeth> the republican party is officially over
09:19 < MikeSeth> welcome to global socialism
09:21 < Seldaek> yeah for 4years
09:22 < Seldaek> unfortunately it might take more than that to fix 8 years of massive buttfucking
09:23 < v-dogg> he'll be assassinated within the first year :p
09:23 < E_mE> huomenta
09:24 < Seldaek> yeah that too v-dogg
09:24 < Rendez> v-dogg: I'm kinda obsessed with that
09:26 < E_mE> YAY! a more socially concious America is upon us
09:26 < E_mE> the poor shall be looked after that little bit more
09:27 < E_mE> and the rich can pay for the fuck ups they've helped to create
09:28 < Rendez> the world moves with the riddum, now comes the ascending curve
09:29 < E_mE> my boygott of america has ended :)
09:29 < E_mE> hehe
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09:30 < Rendez> the thing is that the president doesn't has any attachment to rich companies, that makes a big different and a more wanted target too :[
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09:31 < E_mE> Rendez: ja, thats how polticans should be, not influanced by pure money, but influanced by wanted to make peoples lifes better
09:31 < E_mE> but i do wonder if he will be murdered or so :/
09:31 < Rendez> yep, let's see how far is he willing to go
09:32 < E_mE> yeah, afterall he is a politician hehe
09:32 < Rendez> I'm sure it's more about he not being able to go too too far than he not wanting to...
09:33 < Rendez> that's why is imporant that if everything goes well he remains for 8 years
09:52 < moritz> good morning
09:52 < moritz> in order to update a deployed agavi project can I just svn the http://svn.agavi.org/tags/1.0.0beta5/src/ folder into /myLiveProject/PathToAgaviSrcFolder
09:57 < horros> I probably wouldn't, unless you've tested everything works :P
09:58 < v-dogg> but you can :)
09:58 < v-dogg> rm -rf app/cache is recommended after upgrading
09:58 < v-dogg> ooops!
09:58 < horros> :D
09:58 < v-dogg> app/cache/config :D
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09:59 < moritz> ok
10:00 < moritz> how do I find out in the current source folder which version is installed?
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10:00 < moritz> sorry
10:00 < horros> look at version.php ?
10:00 < moritz> in the version file
10:00 < moritz> no brainer
10:01 < moritz> only had one cup of coffe today : (
10:01 < MikeSeth> mmm coffee
10:01 < horros> mmm
10:01 * horros gets more coffee
10:01 < moritz> I'm running version 0.11.1
10:01 < moritz> I'm creating a new project based on an old project that was created with version 0.11.1
10:02 < moritz> I'd like to update to version 1.0beta 5
10:02 < moritz> before I start adapting
10:02 < horros> I'd probably still not do that for a live app.
10:02 < moritz> Is that recommended or does "never change a running system" apply here?
10:02 < moritz> well it's not live yet
10:02 < moritz> It'll be live in January
10:03 < moritz> so if there were problems I'd be able to sort them out
10:03 < moritz> but it could mean a lot of unnecessary work
10:03 < horros> Ah, I see. I thought you were talking about a live site/app that people actually use every day :)
10:03 < moritz> no. I was just being overly dramatic
10:03 < horros> But still, I'd take a copy of the current version and do some test runs.
10:04 < moritz> what do you mean?
10:04 < horros> hmmh?
10:04 < horros> copy app to new place, replace agavi in the freshly made copy, test said freshly made cofee
10:05 < horros> err copy.
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10:05 < moritz> ah you mean, just update it and see if anything bad happens?
10:05 < horros> if all goes well, upgrade agavi on the actual app. if not, wave hands about and run around screaming in panic.
10:05 < horros> moritz: Precisely.
10:05 < moritz> cool
10:05 < v-dogg> or you can use versioning :p
10:05 < v-dogg> like SVN
10:05 < moritz> yeah I'll give that a shot
10:06 < horros> v-dogg: On a live-ish app?
10:06 < moritz> v-dogg: what do you mean exactly
10:06 < moritz> no sorry
10:06 < moritz> the app isn't live
10:06 < moritz> it's just that I"m taking over an existing project
10:06 < moritz> so it's half built
10:06 < moritz> but not live
10:06 < horros> I see.
10:06 < horros> Then fire away!
10:06 < horros> I suppose.
10:06 < horros> (I'd still test it with a copy though)
10:07 < moritz> v-dogg: so you mean just try it and if it doesn't work roll back to the previous svn version, right?
10:08 < v-dogg> horros: 12:02 < moritz> well it's not live yet; 12:02 < moritz> It'll be live in January
10:08 < v-dogg> moritz: yes
10:09 < moritz> all the relevant agavi files for deployment are in the src folder right?
10:10 < v-dogg> yes
10:10 < horros> Yessir.
10:11 < v-dogg> but the build script (agavi.bat/.sh) has changed in 1.0, copy it from http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/bin
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10:12 < moritz> what does the build script require, just the source or the complete installation through pear?
10:15 < Xylakant> moritz: you can get the build script working with a checkout from SVN
10:15 < moritz> excellent, thanks
10:15 < Xylakant> you just need to feed it the proper path variables
10:15 < moritz> don't need phing?
10:15 < Xylakant> or rather modify the path set in the script
10:15 < Xylakant> you need phing though
10:15 < moritz> do need phing
10:15 < moritz> ok
10:16 < moritz> I'll give it a go
10:16 < Xylakant> yes, it's all phing tasks
10:18 < Xylakant> according to what I see in my crystal ball, there will be a beta6 today, so if you want to update, you could as well update to that one
10:18 < Xylakant> beta5 does have some known bugs
10:20 < v-dogg> and broken phing output on Windows
10:22 < moritz> ok cool, thanks
10:23 < luke`> huomenta
10:29 * MikeSeth compiles qmail angrily
10:30 < horros> How do you compile something angrily?
10:30 < horros> --enable-angry-mode ?
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10:31 < horros> maybe -fangry?
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10:37 < MikeSeth> --with-anger
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11:02 < kaos|work_> oh btw MikeSeth
11:02 < kaos|work_> http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/10/31/qt-creator-tech-preview-released/
11:02 < kaos|work_> ;>
11:17 < MikeSeth> woot
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11:18 < MikeSeth> kaos|work_: lol @ comments
11:18 < MikeSeth> people already want it to be vim/netbeans
11:18 < kaos|work_> heh
11:21 < MikeSeth> why not just slap some lisp on it :D
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12:14 < CIA-6> felix * r3299 /branches/felix-testing-implementation/ (54 files in 16 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:14 < CIA-6> Merged revisions [3286:3298/branches/1.0] via svnmerge from
12:14 < CIA-6> ........
12:14 < CIA-6> r3286 | david | 2008-11-04 17:31:48 +0100 (Tue, 04 Nov 2008) | 1 line
12:14 < CIA-6> lots of docs and cleanup and such
12:14 < CIA-6> ........
12:14 < CIA-6> r3287 | felix | 2008-11-04 17:46:01 +0100 (Tue, 04 Nov 2008) | 2 lines
12:15 < CIA-6> felix * r3300 /branches/felix-testing-implementation/test/tests/unit/routing/AgaviWebRoutingTest.php: minor cleanup
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12:19 < horros> Hrrmh.
12:19 < horros> How the smeg am I supposed to mock models?
12:21 < MikeSeth> make dummy methods that return fake values?
12:21 < horros> Well, yes.
12:21 < horros> But how do I get the damn mock object?-)
12:22 < horros> in PriceFinderModelTest... $finder = $this->getContext()->getModel('PriceFinder', 'Default');
12:22 * horros scratches his head
12:23 < MikeSeth> oh
12:23 < MikeSeth> hm
12:23 < MikeSeth> good question
12:24 < horros> I dont want to run the tests against the actual model, as it mucks about with the database and things like that.
12:24 < horros> and creating a completely new class with the same methods is just, well, silly.
12:24 < horros> since that's what the mock objects are supposed to do :)
12:25 * horros peeks at PHPUnit's source
12:26 < horros> hmm
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12:53 < horros> Ugh
12:53 < horros> PHPUnit's documentation is confusing
12:53 < MikeSeth> blame sebastian :>
12:54 < horros> // Create a Subject object and attach the mocked
12:54 < horros> // Observer object to it.
12:54 < horros> $subject = new Subject;
12:54 < horros> WTF is this Subject object?
12:54 < horros> :O
12:54 < MikeSeth> dunno
12:54 < MikeSeth> probably the test subjectr
12:54 < horros> Me neither.
12:55 < horros> In JUnit you'd get the mock object and call the methods on that
12:55 < horros> This is weird.
12:55 < horros> $subject->attach($observer); $subject->doSomething();
12:55 < horros> wtf is this attach method?
12:55 < horros> o_O
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12:58 < horros> It seems it's just some class that nobody bothered to describe :)
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13:28 < horros> Got it working :)
13:29 < horros> Just needed to grab the model so it gets loaded and then init the mock object as per the docs.
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13:34 < MikeSeth> horros: attach() looks like reverse listener-observer pattern
13:34 < MikeSeth> instead of $observer->addListener($subject)
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13:48 < horros> Peculiar.
13:48 < horros> It seems the code coverage doesn't notice that the model gets called :(
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15:10 < kaos|work_> MikeSeth: ping
15:11 < MikeSeth> ya
15:12 < kaos|work_> app design question: when doing a changelog (basicly an audit trail) should i do that in my business models
15:12 < kaos|work_> or in my orm models
15:13 < kaos|work_> (i guess business models, but in the orm models would be much easier for me *g*)
15:13 < MikeSeth> i do audit trail using the logging facility
15:14 < MikeSeth> certainly, in the business models
15:14 < MikeSeth> you *can* do it in orm but thats quite low level and often too late for auditing heh
15:14 < kaos|work_> well, i could make it work in the orm quite easily
15:15 < kaos|work_> i'm just not sure if should touch all business models now, or do it in the easy way and just hack it into the orm
15:15 < kaos|work_> "hack"
15:15 < _cheerios> HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK HACK
15:16 < saracen> snake snake!
15:18 < aka> humento or however you spell it!
15:19 < aka> Huomenta
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15:37 < MikeSeth> moritz__: yes, but there are some configuration layout changes
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15:37 < moritz__> would it be easier to just do it by hand?
15:38 < moritz__> because the script is giving me errors that it can't find the agavi project
15:45 < horros> Huomenta again.
15:45 < horros> hrmh.
15:45 < horros> PHPUnit is really starting to annoy me.
15:46 < v-dogg> moritz, MikeSeth, nonono, you definitely cannot use 1.0 script with 0.*
15:47 < v-dogg> nor vice-versa
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16:03 < Xylakant> but you can have 2 scripts installed
16:04 < moritz__> what do you mean
16:05 < moritz__> is there a good way to update from 0.11.1 to 1.0beta5
16:05 < moritz__> I mean an existing project
16:05 < Wombert> why don't you bundle agavi with the projects!?
16:05 < moritz__> that's written in 0.11.1
16:05 < Wombert> that's a lot better anyway!?
16:05 < moritz__> I did
16:05 < Wombert> so what's the problem then :)
16:05 < Wombert> does it have dev/agavi ?
16:06 < moritz__> you mean I just replace the 0.11.1 src folder with the 1.0 src folder?
16:06 < Wombert> no
16:06 < Wombert> ...
16:06 < v-dogg> he bundled it with a wrong script :)
16:06 < moritz__> no no
16:06 < moritz__> I've got 1.0 installed locally
16:06 < Wombert> moritz__: it has app/, pub/ and libs/ or so, right?
16:06 < Wombert> and libs/ has agavi/
16:06 < moritz__> yes
16:06 < Wombert> do you also have a dev/agavi folder?
16:06 < moritz__> and remote the app is built on 0.11
16:06 < moritz__> yes
16:06 < Wombert> or something like that?
16:06 < Wombert> then copy dev/agavi/agavi-dist to "agavi" in the main folder
16:07 < Wombert> adjust the pth
16:07 < Wombert> done
16:07 < Wombert> then always do ./agavi blah in the project dir
16:07 < moritz__> yes that works just fine
16:07 < Wombert> adjust the path = adjust the path to agavi install inside the "agavi" script
16:07 < moritz__> can I update all those things by hand
16:07 < moritz__> the agavi script remote
16:07 < moritz__> and the remote agavi src folde
16:08 < moritz__> cause somebody mentioned that the config stuff is different for version 1.0
16:08 < v-dogg> remote?
16:08 < moritz__> on the server
16:09 < moritz__> ok let me rephrase
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16:09 < moritz__> I have an app sitting on a server that's built with 0.11.1
16:09 < moritz__> can I just replace the agavi src folder on the server with a new version?
16:10 < moritz__> and replace the folder where the agavi shell script is sitting with the new version?
16:11 < v-dogg> moritz__: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/UPGRADING
16:11 < Wombert> but wasn't your initial question something completely different?
16:11 < Wombert> [16:28] moritz__: hi, can I use my local agavi 1.0beta agavi script (cli) to create a module and an action in a project that's checked out through svn and version 0.11.1?
16:11 < Wombert> technically, yes, as the stuff generated should work with both versions, but the build templates are in other locations etc etc etc
16:11 < moritz__> v-dogg: thank you
16:12 < moritz__> womber: i heard that's a no no
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16:13 < horros> How annoying.
16:13 < horros> In order to get proper code coverage reports I need to call the actual model methods, using mock objects doesn't work.
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16:17 < v-dogg> moritz__: to sum this up: your application will (most likely) work with both versions. just replace old agavi/src with a new one. HOWEVER the build script (agavi.sh/.bat needed to create actions etc.) will not work so after you have upgraded agavi on your development box update the script too
16:17 < PyroBilly> horros: use a factory to return mock data store objects that your real models can talk to?
16:17 < PyroBilly> or would that require too much rearch?
16:17 < moritz__> v-dogg: thank you
16:19 < horros> PyroBilly: Hold on while I parse.
16:19 < horros> :)
16:21 < horros> Let's see... Say I have a UserManager. Said UserManager has a method getUserById($id), which, surprisingly enough, returns a User-object. I can mock UserManager just fine, however, in the code coverage report UserManager::getUserById is shown as not touched
16:21 < horros> which is annoying, because I actually AM testing the UserManager.
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16:34 < Wombert> ze fuck
16:35 < v-dogg> waht
16:35 < Wombert> http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail;jsessionid=d8123d01e1c142ca11ad29fa8999?vulnId=CVE-2008-4920
16:35 < Wombert> ...
16:35 < Wombert> so some moron writes a page using agavi and doesn't validate input
16:35 < Wombert> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/32086
16:37 < saracen> http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/6970
16:38 < v-dogg> yet another reason to make strict validation default for all environments
16:38 < Wombert> its not an agavi issue
16:39 < v-dogg> I got that but still
16:40 < moritz__> can somebody tell me what the t in output_types.xml is used for
16:41 < v-dogg> moritz__: by default template variables are in $template, that renames it to $t
16:42 < moritz__> ok cool, thanks
16:44 < v-dogg> Wombert: that's so unbelievably stupid. who can we smack for that?
16:44 < Wombert> yeah
16:44 < Wombert> ...
16:44 < Wombert> fuckers
16:45 < kaos|work_> v-dogg: found by t0fx // http://forum.europasecurity.org white hat crew //
16:45 < kaos|work_> these ... if you can get hold of them ;P
16:45 < v-dogg> I don't speak frenchies :)
16:47 < v-dogg> "Directory traversal vulnerability in Agavi 1.0.0 beta 5 and earlier allows remote attackers to read arbitrary files via a .. (dot dot) in the cmplang parameter."
16:47 < v-dogg> what fucking cmplang parameter!!!
16:47 < v-dogg> god that makes me angry
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16:47 < kaos|work_> v-dogg: not only you ;)
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16:48 < whisller> write message on them board, how angry are you ;p
16:48 < whisller> and how they are stupid
16:48 < whisller> haxiors ;)
16:49 < horros> Errm.
16:49 < horros> cmplang?
16:49 < horros> o_O
16:49 < kaos|work_> this looks very much like taken from
16:49 < kaos|work_> http://www.fondation-solidaritesncf.org/index.php?module=page&action=Display&pageref=2005&cmplang=fr
16:49 < kaos|work_> but that seems to be generated by typo3
16:49 < kaos|work_> and ist not affected either :P
16:50 < v-dogg> Wombert, kaos|work_: you are blogging/mail listing/agavi.org news'ing this, right?
16:50 < saracen> kaos|work_: I just came to the same conclusion :)
16:50 < Wombert> v-dogg: yes
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16:50 < v-dogg> good
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16:59 < horros> hmm
17:00 < horros> Wait.
17:00 < horros> This is BRILLIANT!
17:00 < horros> I can make agavi return my own database manager when I'm in testing-mode!
17:00 * horros hugs Agavi
17:00 < v-dogg> :)
17:01 < v-dogg> you sure can :)
17:03 < saracen> I am so confused.
17:04 < saracen> Either I've programmed something to do this, and I can't remember how or why. Or something just odd is happening.
17:05 < saracen> Meh, I'll be back when I can explain it to myself first ;x
17:05 < horros> :)
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17:12 < kaos|work_> google, first page hit ... so ...
17:16 < saracen> Ok, found the problem. The credential a user gets is done via my database. Say I navigate to a page where I'm not suppose to be, agavi creates a forward container to the error page. However, if I then change the credential in the database, which should take effect the next time the page loads. It doesnt work unless I first navigate away from the page I was accessing, then go to it again. Refresh doesn't work.
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17:17 < saracen> This is a strange thing to be doing anyway, but the same applies when the user is on a page they're allowed to be. If I say they're not allowed to be while they're logged in, the next thing they do will still allow them to be on that page. Even though they dont have the credential.
17:17 < saracen> The credentials are being set.
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17:30 < impl> oh lawd
17:30 < impl> oh lawd
17:30 * impl stabs CVE
17:30 < kaos|work_> what i find rather interesting
17:31 < kaos|work_> that for example when i checked a php CVE recently i could not access it
17:31 < kaos|work_> because it wasn't made public, because php didn't fix it yet
17:32 < kaos|work_> is that like special treatment for special projects ?!
17:32 < impl> probably :P
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17:35 < Wombert> impl: you wouldn't have any useful contacts to resolve this quickly, would you
17:35 < Wombert> also, could you do teh docs then I can roll a release in a bit :>
17:36 < impl> I have class at 1
17:36 < impl> :(
17:36 < impl> gotta leave in like 3 minutes
17:37 < impl> oh, and ALL HAIL COMRADE OBAMA
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17:40 < Wombert> lolol impl
17:40 < Xylakant> HAIL
17:40 * v-dogg hails
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18:25 < PyroBilly> (17:04:12) horros: I can make agavi return my own database manager when I'm in testing-mode -- I'm happy for you too =)
18:31 < horros> :)
18:34 < horros> Hmm
18:34 < horros> Now what..? PHPUnit hangs :(
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18:55 < horros> I don't get it.
18:55 * horros scratches head
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19:24 < horros> hmm
19:24 < horros> it's hanging on $buffer = stream_get_contents($pipes[1]);
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20:09 < Whisller> hi
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20:14 < Wombert> guys
20:14 < Wombert> quick vote
20:15 < Wombert> everyone who is *against* making "strict" validation mode the default *in code* (not just in standard configs) in 1.0 speak up now
20:16 * horros keeps quiet
20:17 < horros> hmm.
20:18 < horros> Running the tests against PHPUnit@trunk seems to work almost-fine.
20:18 < saracen> Wombert: What do you mean *in code*?
20:20 < Wombert> right now, if you don't supply a mode, it assumes "lax" I think
20:20 < Wombert> you can still change it, but out of the box, even without agavi code templates or any speciifc setting, it will be strict mode
20:20 < horros> Running them against the version that's packaged with Agavi makes it hang in PHPUnit_Util_PHP::runJob()
20:20 < horros> :(
20:20 < Wombert> and we do that for development envs, too
20:20 < Wombert> horros: that phpunit uses sub-processes
20:21 < Wombert> horros: try #phpunit when Sebastian is there
20:21 < Wombert> maybe a bug
20:21 < horros> Yeah, I know it uses sub-processes.
20:21 < horros> It hangs on stream_get_contents after proc_open()ing php
20:21 < Wombert> 10 bucks it's your box :>
20:22 < horros> Seems to work with the latest trunk though, except for some headers already sent -notices from AgaviSessionStorage
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20:22 < Wombert> Fastly: oi
20:24 < _cheerios> Wombert, agavi has always been strict even as lax, a page comparing lax vs strict would be good to have around.
20:24 < _cheerios> i dont mind the strictness, as long as it's sane.
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20:31 < Fastly> hey Wombert
20:32 < Fastly> how's it going
20:32 < Wombert> yo
20:32 < Wombert> dealing with this vulnerability nonsense
20:32 < Wombert> annoying
20:32 < Wombert> also
20:32 < Wombert> couldn't reproduce the xsl segfault yet
20:32 < Wombert> annoying, too
20:32 < Wombert> maybe you can work with impl to track it down or so
20:32 < impl> hi
20:33 < Fastly> sure - is there an active ticket i could contribute to?
20:33 < impl> I'm sitting outside
20:33 < impl> :D
20:34 < MrJeep> Wombert: you mean the libxml fuck ?
20:34 < impl> libxml can suck my cock
20:34 < Wombert> Fastly, MrJeep: http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/898
20:35 < Wombert> (your info is already there, Fastly)
20:35 < Wombert> but maybe you can provide impl with a backtrace or something
20:35 < Wombert> impl: oh, nothing to do? cool. canhas dox then plz kthx? :>
20:35 < MrJeep> install XAMPP for Linux 1.6.6 (not 1.6.6a)
20:36 < MrJeep> and you'll be able to reproduce
20:37 < _cheerios> Wombert, is that installation guide for php on your blog still valid? I need PHP etc., setup on a mac.
20:37 < Wombert> _cheerios: www.macports.org
20:37 < Wombert> "sudo port install php5 +fastcgi"
20:37 < Wombert> done
20:37 < Wombert> :)
20:37 < Wombert> much quicker
20:37 < Wombert> MrJeep: aha!
20:37 < Wombert> what's the difference between 6 and 6a
20:38 < Wombert> I wonder
20:38 < _cheerios> Wombert, sweet. thanks
20:38 < Wombert> (I don't have a linux right now I can test against)
20:38 < Wombert> _cheerios: you have a mac?
20:38 < MrJeep> fixed libxml
20:38 < Wombert> _cheerios: www.mysql.com has mysql etc
20:38 < Wombert> MrJeep: do they have a changelog or so?
20:38 < Wombert> we believe the craash happens in libxslt, not libxml
20:38 < Wombert> we're talking about xsl transforms segfaulting, not about the libxml validation errors, mind you
20:38 < _cheerios> Wombert, developers at ze office need hand-holding.
20:38 < _cheerios> *designers
20:53 < v-dogg> Wombert: *camilla waves*
20:53 < Wombert> ohai camilla
20:55 < _cheerios> http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/black_man_given_nations :)
20:55 < Wombert> As part of his duties, the black man will have to spend four to eight years cleaning up the messes other people left behind.
20:55 < Wombert> lolol
20:56 < Wombert> who here has a twitter account?
20:57 < _cheerios> i do, not much in use
20:58 < _cheerios> last entry: 8:14 AM Mar 28th, 2007 from web
20:58 < _cheerios> (and also the first)
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20:59 < saracen> What did you say you were doing?
20:59 < Wombert> ah _cheerios
20:59 < Wombert> can you reply to a tweet for me real quick then?
20:59 < _cheerios> sure. how? :)
21:00 < Wombert> gimme five minutes
21:00 < _cheerios> np. let me know when i'm ready to do something o_O
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21:06 < _cheerios> Ah, I see where you're coming from with the striness eyeing the agavi-users mailinglist.
21:07 < _cheerios> (wonders why he keeps mispelling strictness at striness)
21:14 < macen_> https://www.ohloh.net/projects/agavi/reviews ...
21:14 < macen_> MikeSeth: ^
21:14 < macen_> :S
21:15 < _cheerios> agavi saved mikeseth's life when chuck norris failed
21:15 < macen_> chuck norris sucked my balls because i asked him too :/
21:17 < Wombert> heh cool Macen
21:17 < Wombert> or, rather, macen_
21:17 < Wombert> WHATS WITH ALL THESE DUPLICATE NAMES THESE DAYS
21:17 < macen_> ty
21:17 < Wombert> YOU GUYS THINK THAT'S POSH OR WHAT
21:17 * Wombert stabs
21:17 < macen_> thats 'cause i left my work computer on!!
21:17 < Wombert> oww
21:17 < Wombert> happens
21:17 < macen_> yea
21:18 < macen_> this nick is to remind me of my fail
21:18 < Wombert> I had the cleaning lady waking the computer from sleep all the time
21:18 < Wombert> so now I switch off mail and irc and stuff before I leave
21:18 < macen_> i should setup a bouncer or something
21:18 < macen_> too much effort :>
21:21 < macen_> local network is getting upgraded, 24meg broadband :D
21:22 < macen_> is being installed as we speak
21:22 < macen_> i should make use of that, really :/
21:22 * macen_ byee
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22:53 < Wombert> lulz @ mccain's concession speech
22:53 < Wombert> opening music from Days of Thunder
22:53 < Wombert> closing music from Crimson Tide
22:54 < Wombert> very republican
22:54 < Wombert> both fun movies tho
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00:35 < MugeSo> huomenta
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00:55 < impl> Wombert: I was on my N800 fyi :>
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01:06 < Wombert> mmmm
01:06 < Wombert> I need to go zZzzzzZ
01:06 < Wombert> must get up at 5
01:06 < Wombert> (duh)
01:06 < Wombert> bai
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05:41 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:24 < Wombert> ohai
06:31 < v-dogg> hai to u
06:31 < v-dogg> how's it going
06:31 < v-dogg> found any more vulnerabilities?
06:32 < v-dogg> 'foo' parameter not sanitazed
06:38 < impl> Wombert: why up so early?
06:39 < MugeSo> Wombert: did you have good sleep?
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06:54 < Wombert_> v-dogg: yeah damn
06:54 < Wombert_> HOW COULD WE MISS THAT
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07:14 < v-dogg> hmm.. bugger
07:15 < v-dogg> I need to replace some propel stuff with raw sql but it seems that PDO/pgsql doesn't obey $pdo->setAttribute(PDO::ATTR_CASE, PDO::CASE_NATURAL); but returns all column names lowercased
07:15 < v-dogg> so my templates break
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07:18 < v-dogg> any easy way to convert all array keys without copying everything?
07:20 < v-dogg> Wombert: btw, is it somehow possible to have different validation modes per action/module/something?
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07:46 < Seldaek> don't think so v-dogg
07:46 < Seldaek> well if you only have string values you could do array_flip, then loop and reassign all the modified keys then flip again
07:46 < Seldaek> but I'm not sure that's any better:)
07:47 < Wombert> v-dogg: you can set the mode on the validation manager
07:47 < Wombert> but it's not configurable per module or action
07:47 < Wombert> but
07:47 < Wombert> you could use module/config.php to do that :)
07:47 < Wombert> although mmm
07:47 < Wombert> that is included once
07:47 < Wombert> so that won't work
07:47 < Wombert> well, Action::initialize() then :)
07:47 < Wombert> and read a config in there or so
07:48 < Wombert> base actions ftw
07:48 < v-dogg> brilliant :)
07:48 < Seldaek> or try array_walk but I'm not sure you can modify the key there if you take it by ref
07:48 < Seldaek> anyway I guess you don't need it anymore
07:49 < v-dogg> I do
07:50 < Seldaek> ah
07:50 < Seldaek> well I just tried it
07:50 < Seldaek> it doesn't work :)
07:51 < v-dogg> I wrote a small "remap" function that loops thru the array and remaps columns according to a remap array
07:51 < v-dogg> good enuf
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08:59 < whisller> hi
09:05 < MikeSeth> huomenta
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09:06 < _cheerios> huomenta
09:07 < horros> hmmh
09:07 * horros fails
09:08 < Macen_> MikeSeth: did you read my "review"?
09:08 < MikeSeth> Macen_: wat
09:08 < MikeSeth> ohloh?
09:08 < Macen_> MikeSeth: hi
09:08 < Macen_> yeas
09:08 * MikeSeth hugs Macen_
09:08 < MikeSeth> will do
09:09 < Macen_> :D
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09:49 < horros> Hmm.
09:50 < horros> I'm assuming Agavi does fuckall with the project-classmap.php -file that Propel generates?
09:51 < v-dogg> no, agavi doesn't touch it. it's just included in the project-conf.php
09:52 < v-dogg> but you can override project-conf.php values in databases.xml so I quess you can override classmap as well
09:52 < horros> It's not really a question of overriding the classmap, it's more a question of having to add all the bloody files to autoload.xml :)
09:53 < v-dogg> uummm.. wait. why?
09:54 < horros> How else am I supposed to do, say, $foo = FooPeer::retrieveByPk($smeg); unless I a) include FooPeer or b) autoload it?
09:54 < v-dogg> if you have propel initialized, it handles all that
09:54 < horros> Hmm.
09:54 < v-dogg> and your include_path correct
09:54 < horros> Then I must have some cockups here.
09:55 < v-dogg> that's exactly why the classmap is built
09:55 < v-dogg> the only reason :)
09:57 < horros> Well yeah.
09:57 < horros> hmm
10:00 < horros> \o/
10:00 < horros> SUCCESS!
10:01 < horros> Hmm.
10:01 < horros> Tests won't run though.
10:01 < horros> Hmm.
10:03 < horros> PropelException: [wrapped: No driver has been registered to handle connection type: ]
10:03 < horros> :(
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10:08 < horros> \o/
10:12 < horros> eh
10:12 < MikeSeth> durrr propel
10:13 < horros> CAnnot redeclare class BaseOperation
10:13 < horros> :(
10:15 < horros> errm
10:15 < horros> What!
10:15 < horros> Now it's rendering the Welcome-template on screen and dying :(
10:15 < horros> This is "a bit" messed up.
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10:24 < horros> GAH
10:25 < horros> I just can't get the bloody code coverage to work with these tests.
11:00 < MikeSeth> http://www.drawger.com/zinasaunders/?section=comments&article_id=6430 MUAHAHAHAHAHA
11:07 < horros> Ok, can someone please help me get this set up correctly?
11:08 < horros> Running the tests themselves seem to work just fine, but the code coverage now dies with
11:08 < horros> BUILD FAILED
11:08 < horros> exception 'PropelException' with message 'Unable to open configuration file: NULL' in C:\Projects\nappula-2.1-agavi
11:08 < horros> -1.0\src\libs\propel\Propel.php:272
11:08 < horros> Stack trace:
11:08 < horros> Oops, sorry, wonky paste.
11:10 < MikeSeth> sorry, I dont know anything about propel :<
11:11 < horros> It isn't really an issue with Propel.
11:11 < horros> Here's what happens if I remove app/lib/orm from the PHPUnit filter whitelist...
11:12 < horros> Generating code coverage report, this may take a moment.
11:12 < horros> Fatal error: Class 'NappulaDefaultBaseAction' not found in C:\Projects\nappula-2.1-agavi-1.0\src\app\modules\Defaul
11:12 < horros> t\actions\Error404Action.class.php on line 22
11:15 < MikeSeth> hmmm some init configuration missing in the former case?
11:16 < horros> Then how can it run the unit tests just fine?
11:16 < horros> Like I said, it's running the tests, and then fails miserably while generating the code coverage report
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11:27 < digitarald> IHuomenta
11:27 < MikeSeth> you're declaring a good morning interface?
11:27 < MikeSeth> :D
11:27 < PyroBilly> was just thinking exactly that :)
11:27 < digitarald> No, its a new Apple Product
11:27 < digitarald> with a typo
11:27 < MikeSeth> google "letter i found dead"
11:28 < digitarald> Good Morning as Interface, perfect ... reusable
11:29 < digitarald> every day that doesn't match the expectations fails silently
11:29 < digitarald> btw, blog.agavi css is a little bit drifted
11:30 < digitarald> somebody wrote on his blog that I'm a douchebag, because I don't add enough documentation to my open-source scripts and because I call myself "Web Craftsman" on my blog ... that's how my day started
11:31 < MikeSeth> criticizing other people as opposed to writing yr own code is always easy
11:32 < digitarald> so many people misunderstand open source as free-contract-&-consulting-offer
11:32 < PyroBilly> Being a good critic is its own art, but unfortunately most people aren't good enough critics to recognise one
11:40 < digitarald> he just blamed me that he lost 8 hours when he implemented my script ... preposterous
11:41 < digitarald> ... Today implements IHuomenta
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12:21 < digitarald> never had an idea that its so easy
12:21 < digitarald> !redracer
12:21 < RedRacer> RedRacer is a web-based source code repository, aggregating community contributions. [ Agavi 1.0.0-beta4 ]
12:21 < digitarald> !quit
12:21 < um> digitarald: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
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12:22 < digitarald> ok, I should namespace the commands
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12:29 < MikeSeth> anyone knows who runs housley.me?
12:29 < MikeSeth> http://housley.me/2008/10/27/watch-out-for-the-aas-cloud/
12:29 < MikeSeth> "My next post, which is hopefully due in a the next few days, is about the awesome Agavi PHP Framework - stay tuned!"
12:29 < MikeSeth> ???
12:31 < digitarald> He was here some time ago
12:31 < digitarald> I know that somebody posted http://totalhotspots.com/
12:31 < digitarald> and he owns that company
12:31 < digitarald> but I don't know his nick
12:32 < MikeSeth> I am reading funny russian posts from 206
12:32 < MikeSeth> 2006
12:32 < MikeSeth> russian coders bickering
12:32 < MikeSeth> one says that Agavi is "liek best shit evr" and the other one flames him for idolatry :>
12:33 < digitarald> could that distract you from work?
12:33 < MikeSeth> it sure does
12:33 < MikeSeth> lol
12:34 < MikeSeth> and guess what
12:34 < MikeSeth> http://jobfinder.pl/1544127206.php
12:34 < MikeSeth> http://www.pricematrix.ru/index.php/action/href=
12:34 < MikeSeth> heh
12:34 < MikeSeth> ITS EVERYWHERE
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12:35 -!- MikeSeth changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: new: www.agavi.org :: bleeding: 1.0.0beta5 :: stable: 0.11.5 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/; use branches/0.11 (or branches/1.0 for HEAD, trunk is in hibernation now) :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta || Who runs jobfinder.pl?
12:37 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, looks like whissler
12:37 < digitarald> u are googling agavi exceptions ... nice
12:37 < digitarald> whisller: !
12:38 < digitarald> just look at the footer, come on ;)
12:38 < digitarald> wanne have his phone number?
12:38 < digitarald> company, with email: http://whisnet.pl/
12:38 < digitarald> or "whisnet.pl" in skype
12:40 < whisller> ?
12:40 < digitarald> http://jobfinder.pl/1544127206.php
12:40 < whisller> uhh
12:40 < whisller> shit
12:40 * digitarald gets his large trout
12:40 < whisller> assholes crashed it
12:41 -!- MikeSeth changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: new: www.agavi.org :: bleeding: 1.0.0beta5 :: stable: 0.11.5 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/; use branches/0.11 (or branches/1.0 for HEAD, trunk is in hibernation now) :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta || :D
12:42 < whisller> Now I don't support this site. But thanks for info, I'll send message.
12:43 < whisller> For them
12:44 < MikeSeth> whisller: have them pay you for editing settings.xml
12:44 < MikeSeth> lol
12:44 < whisller> ;)
12:45 < MikeSeth> I just realized
12:45 < MikeSeth> we have zero presence in the russian market
12:45 < MikeSeth> and we could have it :D
12:46 < digitarald> who cares about russian market, china! ;)
12:47 < whisller> hmm attack whole world, russia, china, usa, go go go ;)
12:48 < whisller> guys one thing, add somewhere on page minimal requirements for execute agavi
12:48 < whisller> like min libxml,libxslt etc.
12:48 < whisller> or is somewhere?
12:48 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: what do you reckon, shoul Agavi ship with production-ready exception template?
12:48 < whisller> *is it
12:48 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: perhaps, though in most cases you want to fit it with your own design
12:48 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: so maybe a skeleton, not a full template
12:49 < v-dogg> I thought about something simple like one "Application Error" line, nothing more :)
12:49 < MikeSeth> Yeah.
12:49 < v-dogg> not stack traces or other sensitive'ish info
12:50 < MikeSeth> I also modify my code templates so that newly created PHP templates have something like "$templatename is not yet in use" in them
12:50 < MikeSeth> so that when I suddenly run into a blank page/slot i know where it comes from
12:50 < v-dogg> yeah
12:51 < digitarald> !redracer
12:51 < digitarald> !r.redracer
12:51 < digitarald> !r.who
12:51 < RedRacer> RedRacer is a web-based source code repository, aggregating community contributions. [ Agavi 1.0.0-beta4 ]
12:51 < digitarald> thx
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12:53 < bobbytek2> hey all
12:53 < whisller> digitarald: how is going work on forge?
12:53 < digitarald> ask RedRacer ... ah ... he left ;)
12:54 < digitarald> 1sec
12:55 * whisller is listening Moonspell - Tenebrarum Oratorium
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12:56 < digitarald> !r.status
12:56 < RedRacer> Check http://www.redracer.org for commits and updates. Don`t ask the authors every day!
12:56 < digitarald> ok, here u go whisller
12:56 < digitarald> :D
12:56 < whisller> ;p
12:57 < digitarald> but yes, I'm just refactoring my doctrine implementation
12:57 < digitarald> so its a better agavi example
12:57 < digitarald> wanted to see how I can add external control via irc :)
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13:22 < v-dogg> hey, why doesn't agavi respect my templates.directory
13:23 < v-dogg> 'eeeeelp
13:23 * v-dogg smacks Agavi
13:23 < Seldaek> it's obviously failday
13:24 < horros> v-dogg: I had the same problem :)
13:24 < horros> I just can't remember what I did to solve it :D
13:26 < v-dogg> absolute path works so it's ${project.dir} which doesn't work
13:29 < horros> My Propel is broken :(
13:29 < horros> " Cannot insert a value for auto-increment primary key (nappula_user.USER_ID) "
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13:39 < digitarald> !r.who
13:39 < RedRacer> RedRacer is a web-based source code repository, aggregating community contributions. [ Agavi 1.0.0-beta4 ]
13:39 < digitarald> damn, update!
13:41 < v-dogg> what is that?
13:42 < v-dogg> and is it necessary?-)
13:44 < digitarald> !r.quit :(
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13:44 < Seldaek> haha
13:48 < v-dogg> how do I tell agavivalidatormanager I have validated a parameter manually
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13:50 * v-dogg is learning to be 'strict' :)
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13:52 < v-dogg> MikeSeth:
13:52 < v-dogg> how do I tell agavivalidatormanager I have validated a parameter manually?
13:53 < v-dogg> addIncident()?
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13:55 < v-dogg> addFieldResult() seems more likely :)
13:57 < v-dogg> hmm.. ummm.. wait.. the parameter is already erased in validate() ?!
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14:22 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: I honestly have no idea
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14:31 < digitarald> damn, I never thought that its so easy to build an IRC bot with agavi
14:33 < digitarald> !r.quit
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14:33 < digitarald> !r.who
14:33 < RedRacer> RedRacer is a web-based source code repository, aggregating community contributions. [ Agavi 1.0.0-beta5 ]
14:33 < digitarald> update :)
14:33 < digitarald> !r.quit
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14:36 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
14:36 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: *STAB STAB STAB STAB*
14:36 < MikeSeth> I'm addicted :EEEEEEEEEEEEEE
14:37 < MikeSeth> eve
14:37 < digitarald> what?
14:37 < digitarald> I want it too
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14:39 < digitarald> please
14:42 < MikeSeth> eve-online.com
14:42 < MikeSeth> :<
14:43 < digitarald> omg
14:44 < MikeSeth> omg ><
14:45 < MikeSeth> ...it's just so win
14:45 < MikeSeth> on so many many levels
14:47 < MikeSeth> heh
14:53 < digitarald> time stealing thing
14:55 < MikeSeth> 490%
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15:16 < Macen_> SPOTLIGHT IS INDEXING FOR 19MINS
15:17 < Macen_> THE WORLD IS {NULL} FOR THIS LONG :|
15:17 < Macen_> failll
15:17 < Macen_> now where did i put that App..
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19:16 < shrink0r> huomenta
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20:53 < impl> holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck
20:54 < impl> hey Wombert, in javadocs do we use @var Type[] or @var array?
20:54 < Wombert> @var array I think
20:54 < Wombert> I ported three handlers during my train ride home btw
20:54 < Wombert> and played with
20:55 < Wombert> doesn't change the rng errors :<
20:55 < Wombert> I guess we gotta ditch it
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20:55 < Wombert> I'm not even sure phpdocumentor understands Lol[], impl
20:55 < impl> :(
20:55 < Wombert> also, what is "holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck"?
20:55 < impl> phpdocumentor is stupid
20:55 < impl> oh, I just remembered that I haven't commented that class yet
20:55 < impl> you're in so many of the same channels as me that whenever you connect to IRC my terminal lights up
20:56 < impl> so I was like 'oh shit'
20:57 < Wombert> lawl
20:57 < Wombert> <:
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21:13 < impl> und documented~
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21:22 < CIA-6> impl * r3303 /branches/1.0/src/build/agavi/script/AgaviOptionParser.class.php: Documentation (3/3): Document AgaviOptionParser
21:29 < Wombert> thanks impl :)
21:33 < Wombert> so how do we proceed with this rng mess
21:37 < Wombert> impl: http://www.baconnaise.com/
21:40 < Whisller> guys what else than "core.skip_config_validation" I must setup to execute new agavi?
21:42 < Wombert> whisller: ?
21:43 < Whisller> I've got blank page
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21:44 < Whisller> It was a problem with xml as I remember
21:46 < Wombert> segfault?
21:47 < Whisller> not sure, crash on bootstrap, I think this same as I show you hmm couple weeks ago
21:47 < Whisller> But then I've got old libxslt
21:47 < Whisller> I thought that it is fixed with new libxslt
21:48 < Wombert> we don't know what the cause is
21:48 < Wombert> but now that it happens for you
21:48 < Wombert> maybe you can work with impl and try to find the problem
21:48 < Whisller> libxml: 2.7.2, libxslt: 1.1.24 so my libraries are new
21:48 < Whisller> impl: are you there?
21:49 < Whisller> impl: which version of libxml and libxslt have you got?
21:51 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/898
21:52 < Whisller> ahh AgaviConfig::set('core.skip_config_transformations', true);
21:52 < Wombert> ...
21:52 < Whisller> heh yes i've found in logs thanks
21:52 < Wombert> ?
21:52 < Whisller> irc logs
21:53 < Wombert> right
21:53 < Wombert> just a question
21:53 < Wombert> oh well
21:53 < Wombert> forget it
21:53 < Wombert> ...
21:54 < Whisller> should be added in WTF
21:54 < Wombert> yeah
21:54 < Wombert> whatever
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21:58 < Wombert> hmm
21:58 < Wombert> https://trac.macports.org/ticket/14063
22:00 < Wombert> does your install have EXSLT support, whisller?
22:00 < Whisller> not sure
22:01 < Whisller> is it an external library to libxslt?
22:01 < Wombert> phpinfo()
22:02 < Whisller> exslt: enabled
22:02 < Wombert> k
22:04 < Whisller> strange thing because as in comments I see sometimes it works sometimes doesn't and it doesn't depends on libxml or libxslt version
22:04 < Wombert> yeah that's the problem
22:05 < Wombert> we really need all the help we can get to figure out what's going on
22:05 < Wombert> maybe you can send impl a backtrace or so
22:05 < Whisller> ok
22:05 < Wombert> I'm not very good with this stuff; he'd know what to do
22:05 < Wombert> (when he's back)
22:05 < Wombert> it's pretty important that we find the cause of this
22:05 < Wombert> segfaults are never good
22:05 < Wombert> maybe you can isolate the exact line where it segfaults in the meantime?
22:06 < Whisller> Hmm I've show you this line, maybe now it is somwhere else I'll check it
22:07 < Whisller> *show earlier
22:07 < Wombert> maybe put file_put_contents calls with APPEND flag next to the crashing code
22:07 < Wombert> to document where the crash occurs
22:07 < Wombert> (by dumping xml config file name or whatever info there is)
22:07 < Whisller> ok
22:07 < Wombert> does it crash on the command line, too, whisller?
22:08 < Whisller> wait...
22:10 < Whisller> hmm no
22:11 < Whisller> empty agavi project, execute index.php from pub
22:11 < Whisller> *executed
22:23 < Wombert> but on web it crashes?
22:23 < Wombert> sure that php.ini is the same and everything?
22:23 < Wombert> same php install used?
22:23 < Wombert> what's your memory limit?
22:27 < Whisller> terminal and web is using this same php.ini. 128MB, increate it and check
22:31 < Whisller> oh wait, shit sorry man php -ini show mi that terminal doesn't load php.ini even that path is good huh
22:32 < Whisller> But it is new installation of PHP so web and terminal is using default configuration
22:33 < Whisller> but other environment are this same
22:37 < Wombert> so now it crashes on CLI?
22:37 < Wombert> maybe it is some ini setting
22:37 < Wombert> or an extension that is loaded
22:37 < Wombert> something like that
22:37 < Wombert> try and find it :)
22:38 < Wombert> in fact, whoever finds the definitive cause of the segfault wins an agavi tshirt :)
22:38 < Whisller> hehe
22:40 < Whisller> It cannot be any ini setting because it is brand new installation of PHP. So I've just changed memory_limit nothing else. And why that little bitch (CLI) doesn't want to read php.ini heh
22:46 < Wombert> yeah but it crashes in the web server, right?
22:46 < Whisller> yeah
22:47 < Whisller> sounds like apache
22:47 < Whisller> or god know what
22:48 < Wombert> it could also be an extension or so
22:48 < Wombert> that's not loaded on cli
22:48 < Wombert> or xdebug?
22:48 < Wombert> apc?
22:49 < Whisller> I don't have apc xdebug either
22:51 < Whisller> hmm php --ini are showing loaded configuration file for CLI or web?
22:51 < Whisller> *is
22:52 < Wombert> php -i
22:53 < Whisller> mhm, first time I see it. php -i is showing good path to php.ini but doesn't want to load it. heh nevermind
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22:54 < Wombert> I must go to bed now, sorry
22:54 < Wombert> let's pick this up tomorrow
22:54 < Wombert> would be good to find a solution
22:54 < Wombert> nn
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02:25 < MugeSo> huomenta
02:27 < MugeSo> Can I create global models by agavi command with beta5 ?
02:47 < impl> yeah
02:47 < impl> agavi project-model-create
02:48 < MugeSo> oh! cool!
02:49 < MugeSo> impl: thnaks ;)
02:49 < impl> yup :)
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06:29 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:47 < v-dogg> does 5.3 have lambda functions?
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07:03 < horros> huomenta
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07:13 < MugeSo> v-dogg: I think so.
07:14 < MugeSo> at least, 5.3 alpha1 has.
07:15 < v-dogg> cool
07:16 < v-dogg> I was playing with an idea to replace action::validate with a special "register validation function as lambda" validator :)
07:17 < v-dogg> I already have a working sample with create_function but the problem is code scope (the function cannot access $this)
07:18 < v-dogg> and, if I remember Sebastian's presentation correctly, lambda functions could access $this
07:18 < v-dogg> (the phpunit guy)
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07:33 < horros> Let's see if the dog gets ANY food today.
07:33 < horros> grumble grumble
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07:51 < moritz> good morning
07:53 < moritz> in agavi 0.11.1 this should work, right? $this->getContext()->getLoggerManager()->getLogger()->log('repr mod update');
07:53 < moritz> in a routing callback class
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07:53 < v-dogg> it doesn't?-)
07:54 < moritz> no I get a php error (not an agavi exception) :Fatal error: Call to a member function getLogger() on a non-object in
07:55 < v-dogg> moritz: ah, no, AgaviLogger expects AgaviLoggerMessage
07:55 < moritz> ok cool
07:55 < moritz> i'll check that out
07:55 < Wombert> use_logging enabled?
07:55 < v-dogg> $this->context->getLoggerManager()->log('foo'); works
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07:56 < _cheerios> huomenta
07:56 < v-dogg> huomenta
07:57 < liutis> huomenta!
07:57 < v-dogg> Wombert: I have an action_filter problem - for some reason its output doesn't show when I do "return 'bbbblaaah'" in the view
07:59 < moritz> actually this: $this->getContext()->getLoggerManager()->log('repr mod update'); doesn't work either
07:59 < moritz> Fatal error: Call to a member function log() on a non-object in /Users/moritz/Sites/Independent_Pictures/trunk/agavi/app/lib/update/ReprModUpdateCallback.class.php on line 5
08:00 < moritz> any ideas
08:00 < v-dogg> moritz: settings.xml "use_logging"
08:00 < moritz> use_loggin =true
08:00 < v-dogg> but... uhm... how did $this->getContext()->getLoggerManager()->getLogger() work then?!
08:00 < moritz> true
08:00 < moritz> true
08:00 < moritz> true
08:00 < moritz> true
08:00 < moritz> false
08:01 < MugeSo> moritz: check context and environment
08:02 < moritz> could you please explain check context.
08:02 < moritz> I'm in development environment
08:03 < moritz> v-dogg: are you asking if $this->getContext()->getLoggerManager()->getLogger() ever did work?
08:03 < moritz> no it didn't
08:03 < v-dogg> moritz: I don't understand how $this->getContext()->getLoggerManager()->getLogger() didn't throw that error and $this->getContext()->getLoggerManager()->log() does
08:03 < moritz> they both do
08:03 < v-dogg> oh, sorry, I misread the earlier error message
08:04 < v-dogg> where do you call getLoggerManager? in initialize() ?
08:05 < moritz> no in a routing callback class
08:05 < moritz> I tried it inside a execute of an action
08:05 < moritz> same error
08:06 < v-dogg> the logger manager is not created for some reason
08:06 < v-dogg> 99% of the times this is because use_logging == false. the rest 1% is you alone :)
08:07 < moritz> damn
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08:10 < moritz> aha I cleared the cache a couple of times and turned loggin on/off a couple of times and now I get a beautiful agavi exception
08:11 < moritz> No directory defined for rotating logging.
08:12 < whisller> hi
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08:44 < moritz> where do you define a directory for "rotating logging"
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08:45 < moritz>
08:45 < moritz>
08:45 < moritz> %core.app_dir%/log/
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09:31 < E_mE> huomenta
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09:52 < moritz> what does huomenta mean?
09:53 < Rendez> moritz: you are going to be sentenced for that
09:53 < moritz> I'll have to switch to Windows?
09:54 < moritz> damn
09:54 < v-dogg> moritz: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta
09:55 < moritz> Huomenta it is lol
09:56 < horros> I was a bit surprised to see it still in use after a year and a half or so of absence from this channel :D
09:56 < horros> Us finns = win!
09:57 < v-dogg> \o/
10:01 < ttj> Boo! You suck!
10:02 * horros slaps ttj across the face
10:02 < horros> !
10:02 < ttj> Pfft.
10:02 * v-dogg too
10:02 < ttj> You Finns think you're something and really you're just a bunch of losers!
10:03 < horros> haha
10:03 < v-dogg> btw, Finland should have its own PHP Users Group
10:03 < horros> PHP/FI
10:03 < horros> :D
10:03 < v-dogg> because then Wombert would come to Finland and demo Agavi
10:03 < v-dogg> that'd be cool :)
10:04 < v-dogg> horros: :D
10:04 < ttj> Can't you just buy Wombert some plain tickets and get him to come drink beer with us here?
10:04 < PyroBilly> sed -i -e 's/Romans/Finns/g' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso
10:05 < v-dogg> ttj: sure I can but if there was an official users group, he'd pay the tickets himself!
10:05 < ttj> Hmm... Brilliant plan.
10:07 < horros> Then we can have all the convetions here in Tampere!
10:07 < horros> ;)
10:07 < ttj> Tanpere? Pfft!
10:07 < horros> "Helsingissä kaikki muu on paskaa paitsi kusi"
10:07 < horros> :P
10:08 < ttj> The only reason to ever go outside Kehä I is to go to the airport in Vantaa.
10:08 < ttj> Absolutely no reason otherwise.
10:08 < v-dogg> haha
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10:12 < horros> bah
10:12 < horros> bloody construction wankers
10:13 < horros> we had "vuositarkastus" here, I said that there are some stuff that needs to be fixed in my apartment
10:13 < horros> last week I got a paper back and they wanted me to sign it to say it's all fixed
10:13 < horros> NOBODY HAS EVEN BEEN HERE!
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10:45 < _cheerios> haha
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10:54 < ttj> horros: I know the feeling. I ordered stuff XYZ for work. Then I get an email saying that I need to confirm that I've received the stuff before the supplier is paid.
10:55 < ttj> They sent me a mail saying that I need to click "Confirm" four times before the stuff arrived.
10:55 < ttj> And when it arrived, half of it was missing.
10:55 < ttj> And I kept getting more pressure that I need to confirm that I've received it. Lovely.
10:55 < horros> hehe
10:56 < horros> well, our customer got some document scanners from Canon. the documents need to be stuffed into our system. They'll start training the staff on Monday.
10:57 < horros> Except... NOBODY has told us ANYTHING about the whole project in two weeks => we've not done anything about it because we don't know WHERE the documents will be or what the filename format will be so we can import them.
10:57 < horros> Good luck with the training!
10:57 < horros> Bloody consultants.
10:57 < ttj> :P
10:57 < ttj> Damnit. Some meeting in 3 minutes and I don't want to go. I want to sleep.
10:58 < horros> Oh dear :(
10:58 < horros> *sigh*
10:58 < horros> NetBeans' "rename project" stuffed up everything completely
10:58 < horros> It copied all the files to a new directory
10:58 < ttj> And goddamn proxies. Have to configure every fucking piece of software individually. And when I take the laptop out of the office, then I have to change everything again.
10:58 < horros> EXCEPT the .svn directories.
10:59 < horros> So it's pretty much useless.
10:59 < ttj> :)
10:59 < v-dogg> haha
10:59 < horros> grumble grumble
10:59 < v-dogg> lunch ->
10:59 < horros> It seems almost like Monday :(
11:00 < v-dogg> Kepap om nom nom nom
11:00 < saracen> Every friday feels like monday to me, its the only day I have to go in to work =(
11:00 < ttj> Thank god it's Friday.
11:00 < horros> Agreed.
11:00 < v-dogg> yeah, only two more working days this week! :)
11:00 < ttj> One more meeting and then I can start slowly crawling out of the office->
11:01 < horros> In about two hours or so, I'll get into my car, drive to Hämeenlinna and make dinner for missus until she comes at about 18:30 \o/
11:01 < horros> s/comes/comes home/
11:01 < horros> just to avoid any possible confusion in your DIRTY DIRTY minds.
11:01 < ttj> I was just about to say that you have very nicely synchronized and scheduled everything.
11:02 < v-dogg> and then 18:33 you come. missus doesn't at all
11:02 < ttj> 3 minutes? Isn't that sort of exaggerating a bit...
11:02 < horros> v-dogg: 18:33?
11:02 < v-dogg> 31?
11:02 < horros> More like 18:30.5
11:02 < v-dogg> :D
11:03 < ttj> Nah, let's be fair. More like comes in 60 seconds...
11:03 < horros> Actually, I haven't seen missus since monday
11:03 < v-dogg> but now really: omnomnom
11:03 < horros> so 18:30.01
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11:03 < ttj> horros: "Moi, mistä sä tuut?!" "Moi, kuten kaikki kunnon tietotekniikan opiskelijat, mä tuun oman käden kautta."
11:04 < horros> hah
11:04 < horros> I am not, however, a tietotekniikan opiskelija!
11:04 < ttj> Good for you.
11:04 < horros> Agreed.
11:05 < ttj> Anyway, looks like the meeting already started->
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11:38 < saracen> p
11:38 < saracen> opps
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11:38 < saracen> Anybody here run in to problems setting up php fcgi + lighttp on ubuntu 8.04?
11:38 < saracen> lighttpd*
11:39 < _cheerios> nope
11:40 < saracen> Hmm, its not working. Lighttpd doesn't start. No errors, argh
11:41 < _cheerios> by default it uses port 80, which will collide with apache, if installed
11:42 < saracen> Nah, nothing else installed. I installed php5-cgi, installed lighttpd. Then made a symbolic link to 10-fastcgi.conf in conf-enabled
11:42 < saracen> Restarted lighttpd. Says its fine, but it hasnt actually started
11:43 < saracen> If i remove the fastcgi.conf, it works - but with no php
11:43 < saracen> The paths in fastcgi are correct too ;x
11:45 < saracen> oh wait
11:45 < saracen> error log is there )
11:45 < saracen> bind failed for: unix:/tmp/php.socket-0 Permission denied
11:45 < saracen> ah ha :)
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12:08 < trophaeum_> saracen, if your playin with non apache httpds, try out nginx, iv had better scalability experiences with it than lighttpd and its get a better security history as well
12:09 < trophaeum_> i use it in production for over 500req/sec on a single box without issues
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12:48 < mib_r9szwo> hello, can somebody post me a global_filters.xml with an error container description please, thank you
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12:59 < _cheerios> never had any error containers in my global_filters. what kind of use case needs that? always interesting in new stuff :)
13:02 < mib_r9szwo> oh i forgot to mention its the agaviformpopulation filter and i dont know how to give him the id of the error container to put the error messages in?
13:06 < v-dogg> mib_r9szwo: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/config/global_filters.xml
13:06 < v-dogg> would these comments be helpful?
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13:08 < mib_r9szwo> looks fine, thank you!
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13:26 < mib_r9szwo> hello again how would one implement one error container which contains all error messages?
13:27 < mib_r9szwo> like this: ${errorMessages}]]> ??
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13:29 < _cheerios> trophaeum_, nginx probably works okay for flash file uploads unlike lighttpd 1.4 ?
13:32 < trophaeum_> cheer had no problems with nginx to date with anything
13:33 < _cheerios> not sure if asked on this channel already, but did it have something like mod_evasive?
13:38 < trophaeum_> nop, check into csf (google csf firewall) for an alternative, u could always use nginx->apache reverse proxy though
13:40 < _cheerios> do you go with nging for dynamic content too?
13:40 < Macen> ohloh is soo slow
13:51 < digitarald> works fine here
13:52 < digitarald> maybe they should not add releases/packages feature ... they are a bit feature-addicted
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14:02 < Macen> yeh it just certain pages
14:03 < Macen> ohloh.net/sessions/new was down for 24 hours according to downforeveryoneorjustme.com
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14:10 < MrJeep> huomenta!
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14:51 < Wombert> huomenta
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14:52 < trophaeum_> cheer distracted, ya, i do
14:52 < trophaeum_> oops
14:52 < trophaeum_> gone
14:52 < trophaeum_> on well
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15:23 -!- Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: new: www.agavi.org :: bleeding: 1.0.0beta5 :: stable: 0.11.5 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/; use branches/0.11 (or branches/1.0 for HEAD, trunk is in hibernation now) :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta :: http://trac.agavi.org/wik
15:23 -!- Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: new: www.agavi.org :: bleeding: 1.0.0beta5 :: stable: 0.11.5 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: got no reply? use the mailing lists! :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/ (use branches/0.11 or branches/1.0, not trunk) :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Bounties
15:26 < mib_r9szwo> how can i turn on the agaviformpopulationfilter per request? it is on enabled="false" in the global_filters.xml
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15:28 < v-dogg> mib_r9szwo: $this->context->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', true, 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
15:29 < v-dogg> the boolean can also be AgaviParameterHolder if you want define the data for the population
15:30 < Wombert> nah
15:30 < Wombert> that won't work
15:30 < Wombert> mib_r9szwo: why do you have enabled="false" ?
15:30 < v-dogg> it doesn't work when the filter is not enabled?
15:30 < Wombert> if the filter is enabled="false" then it's never even loaded
15:31 < v-dogg> roger, sorry for the misinformation
15:31 < v-dogg> I have it enabled always :)
15:31 < Wombert> mib_r9szwo: you realize it only runs for "write" requests in the stock configuration, right?
15:31 < mib_r9szwo> ok so i have to enable it always ans set to false if i dont use it?
15:31 < Wombert> mib_r9szwo: explain your situation please
15:32 < mib_r9szwo> i have a form which should be the only one using the formfilter
15:32 < mib_r9szwo> other forms should not use it
15:33 < Wombert> enable it, leave empty, and then use the approach v-dogg described
15:33 < mib_r9szwo> ok ill try that
15:34 < v-dogg> and the next question is "why don't other forms use it?" :)
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15:34 < mib_r9szwo> sorry my problem is that only one route should use it other routes not
15:35 < Wombert> actually, you can leave out "methods" altogether
15:35 < v-dogg> sure, but why? FPF is awesome and should always be used ;)
15:38 < mib_r9szwo> if i understand righit can only be turned off for a special request but not turned on?
15:39 < v-dogg> no, Wombert just explained how to do that
15:40 < Wombert> mib_r9szwo: enabled="true" just controls whether or not the filter is loaded etc
15:40 < v-dogg> if you leave the "methods" parameter out from the config FPF will not run unless you tell it to
15:40 < Wombert> controlling whether or not FPF itself runs for a certain request or whichever can be done at runtime
15:40 < Wombert> and/or through configuration
15:41 < digitarald> hey Wombert
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15:41 < digitarald> meet RedRacer :)
15:42 < v-dogg> huomenta RedRacer
15:42 < mib_r9szwo> that works, thank you!
15:42 < digitarald> oh, I should teach him at least a "Huomenta" when he joins
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15:43 < RedRacer> Huomenta
15:44 < digitarald> better, amazing, feels so human
15:44 < digitarald> !r.redracer
15:44 < digitarald> !r.who
15:44 < RedRacer> RedRacer is a web-based source code repository, aggregating community contributions. [ Agavi 1.0.0-beta5 ]
15:44 < digitarald> and don't ask, v-dogg, it has no sense at all :P
15:44 < digitarald> !r.quit
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15:44 < digitarald> only as moderation tool and update feed for the plugin repo
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17:24 < fnordfish> Poll: switching to (1) 1.0.0beta5 (2) 1.0 branch (3) felix-testing-implementation branch (4) wait for 1.0.0beta6
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17:29 < Wombert> (2) sounds good
17:30 < Wombert> I'll roll beta6 on sunday
17:30 < v-dogg> (2)
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17:35 < benschi> Huomenta Folks.
17:36 < Wombert> ohai benschi
17:36 < benschi> Wombert can you describe in a short sentence what storage is for?
17:37 < Wombert> it's the session interface, at the moment
17:37 < Wombert> do not use it
17:37 < Wombert> ever
17:37 < benschi> Is it for transporting stuff from one request to the other
17:37 < Wombert> use the User object for session access
17:37 < Wombert> ( http://php.net/session )
17:37 < Wombert> the sample app has examples
17:39 < benschi> Cuz I have a app which is a search engine and when I use paging, I somehow have to get the query over to the next page
17:46 < Wombert> nonono
17:46 < Wombert> pass that in the url
17:46 < Wombert> session is a bad idea for that
17:46 < Wombert> then I can use only one search at a time!
17:50 < benschi> You have a point there ...
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17:54 < v-dogg> how is session a bad idea for that (not sure what "that" is but still curious :)
17:54 < Wombert> v-dogg: /search?p=2
17:54 < benschi> v-dogg: I think he means for saving a query temporaily
17:54 < Wombert> and query in the session?
17:54 < Wombert> nono
17:55 < trophaeum_> Wombert, query id in the url, search keyword in the session and the id's for the results of the search query in the session is a pretty good way out :) but its not the simplest to code
17:55 < trophaeum_> makes your session a little bloated but it makes it lightweight to find the results on page2
17:56 < v-dogg> that's close to what I do
17:56 < trophaeum_> do sql calc rows, select only the id, limit to say 3 or 4 pages worth of id's, store the total count of records found in the session, do select from blah where id in (listhere) and then if they go beyond the id's you have in your sessioon requery for the next 100 or watevr
17:58 < trophaeum_> you can always tell who's worked with high load sites by how they work with search data :)
17:59 < benschi> my next question would be how can i transport a query like '+apple +juice (foo bar)' in the URL when i use routing
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18:16 < Xylakant> trophaeum: if i'd do a search on a high traffic site i'd use a dedicated search engine that stores and caches query results
18:17 < Xylakant> why would I want to engineer a solution for a problem that someone else solved
18:28 < trophaeum_> Xylakant, true but that introduces extra dependancies that u have to take care of as well, u can easily enough do it in pure php in a way that is happily cross platform/cheap hosting/everything and much faster than requerying every page
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18:39 < benschi> Xylakant: what kind of search engine is that?
18:39 < benschi> usable for mysql?
18:40 < trophaeum_> http://www.sphinxsearch.com/ - good choice
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18:51 < benschi> thank you very much. I'll look into sphinx
18:51 < benschi> cu folks
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19:38 < impl> badum
19:38 < impl> badum
19:38 < impl> badum badum badum badum badum
19:41 < Wombert> impl: xD
19:47 < impl> http://www.236.com/video/2008/get_your_war_on_new_world_orde_10121.php
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22:03 < saracen> Wombert: The hold back for beta6 this segmentation thing?
22:11 < Wombert> no
22:12 < Wombert> impl did some comment cleanup and I'm still working on some nicer code template defaults blah blah
22:12 < Wombert> which are fucking annying, but what can I do
22:13 < saracen> ha =(
22:17 < impl> ugh
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22:31 < CIA-6> david * r3304 /branches/0.11/ (26 files in 8 dirs): added more best practices to code templates and generated system actions, closes #910 and #911
22:34 < Wombert> now for the fun part
22:34 < Wombert> porting the entire shit by hand
22:34 * Wombert stabs path renames
22:34 < Wombert> but
22:34 * Wombert hugs impl
22:34 < Wombert> it's all a lot easier with the new build system
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22:38 < Wombert> errr
22:38 < Wombert> impl: I think I need some help with this
22:38 < Wombert> is default/apps for project-wizard?
22:38 < Wombert> *defaults/app
22:38 < Wombert> in the code tpls dir
22:39 < Wombert> and what it doesn't find there it takes from the standard dir?
22:42 < impl> I think it probably explicitly copies things out of that directory
22:42 < impl> i.e., individual files are specified in build.xml
22:43 < Wombert> orly?
22:43 < Wombert> mmk
22:44 < Wombert> so you probably think the fancy configs with default layouts and FPF error message rule examples and shit should be in the defaults dir right?
22:44 * impl squints
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22:47 < Wombert> you could argue that by default, even defining an output type is too much
22:47 < impl> yes, yes I could
22:47 < impl> :)
22:47 * impl deletes
22:48 < impl> Wombert: I still also don't like that you have FPF but no HTML helpers, I mean they're basically the same thing
22:48 < impl> it's not like FPF will ever work with anything that doesn't have an output type of xhtml
22:48 < Wombert> LIES
22:48 < Wombert> do not delete it
22:48 * Wombert stabs
22:48 * Wombert stabs
22:48 < impl> :D
22:58 < Wombert> err impl
22:58 < Wombert> what config files do you modify in the build system besides settings.xml?
22:58 < Wombert> using DOM I mean
22:59 < impl> just settings.xml
23:01 < Wombert> kk
23:01 < Wombert> we need to keep that in mind when migrating that handler
23:01 < Wombert> do you want to only support the latest format there, too, right?
23:01 < Wombert> I'd say we do that
23:02 < impl> umm
23:02 < impl> sure?
23:02 < Wombert> why not
23:02 < Wombert> people with old settings.xml need to upgrade then
23:02 < Wombert> well, we gotta throw an exception or so...
23:02 < Wombert> maybe validate the document before changing it?
23:02 < Wombert> that'd be good I guess
23:02 < Wombert> imma maek a ticket for dis for ya
23:02 < Wombert> not urgent
23:05 < nfq> Wombert: dude
23:08 < CIA-6> david * r3305 /branches/0.11/ (2 files in 2 dirs): send http 401 on "forbidden" pages, refs #910 and #911
23:11 < CIA-6> david * r3306 /branches/0.11/ (4 files in 2 dirs): send http 503 on "unavailable" pages, refs #910 and #911
23:21 < impl> BRILLIANT IDEA
23:22 < Wombert> dude!
23:22 < Wombert> impl: yes. why didn't you do that in 0.11 too :p
23:22 < Wombert> you added it just to 1.0
23:23 < Wombert> impl: couldn't the wizard-specific stuff be implemented through the template fallbacks stuff you added?
23:23 < Wombert> ah nah that's just two-level, right?
23:23 < impl> I added it to 1.0?
23:23 < Wombert> mmmmm
23:23 < Wombert> yes
23:23 < Wombert> AND IT STAYS THERE
23:23 < impl> I don't /remember/ adding it
23:23 < Wombert> because it's in default
23:23 < Wombert> :>
23:23 < Wombert> for wizard things
23:23 < Wombert> so worry not
23:24 * impl DELETE
23:24 * Wombert repeatedly stabs with a blunt object
23:26 < Wombert> impl: templates/template.php.tmpl
23:26 < Wombert> what's that about?
23:26 < Wombert> and template.tmpl?
23:26 < Wombert> are those used anywhere?
23:26 < Wombert> they do not seem to be copied anywhere
23:26 < Wombert> which is odd or so
23:26 < impl> because you can specify the extension you want to use
23:26 < impl> it falls back to template.tmpl
23:26 < impl> if no template.EXT.tmpl exists
23:26 < Wombert> oh
23:26 < Wombert> win
23:26 < Wombert> but
23:26 < Wombert> is that for global tpls?
23:26 < impl> it's for all templates
23:27 < Wombert> oh
23:27 < Wombert> right
23:27 < Wombert> so my exception templates
23:27 < Wombert> mmmm
23:27 < Wombert> WHERE DO I PUT THEM
23:28 < impl> what?
23:28 < Wombert> nevermind
23:28 < Wombert> you don't want to know
23:28 < impl> stop fucking up my build system :(((((((
23:29 < Wombert> I think I need to rewrite some stuff there
23:29 < Wombert> this is odd
23:29 < Wombert> hmm
23:29 * Wombert tries
23:29 < impl> do not underestimate the fragility of build.xml
23:33 < Wombert> I was just teasing you ;)
23:33 < Wombert> impl: halp
23:33 < Wombert> Agavi > action-locate:
23:33 < Wombert> Execution of target "action-locate" failed for the following reason: /Users/dzuelke/Code/oss/agavi/branches/1.0/src/build/build.xml:1113:23: Agavi action not found at /Users/dzuelke/Code/oss/agavi/branches/1.0/lol/app/modules/Default/actions/IndexAction.class.php
23:33 < Wombert> [agavi.execute-target] /Users/dzuelke/Code/oss/agavi/branches/1.0/src/build/build.xml:1113:23: Agavi action not found at /Users/dzuelke/Code/oss/agavi/branches/1.0/lol/app/modules/Default/actions/IndexAction.class.php
23:33 < impl> I told you not to fuck with it
23:33 < Wombert> any way you could quickly add a message above or below saying "this will fail, that's oaky"
23:34 < Wombert> nah that's the usual thing happening during project-wizard
23:34 < impl> yeah yeah yeah fine
23:34 < Wombert> remember, the one red message that's okay
23:37 < CIA-6> impl * r3307 /branches/1.0/src/build/phing/org/agavi/build/tasks/AgaviExecutetargetTask.php: Make it INCREDIBLY REALLY CLEAR that RED MESSAGES are OKAY
23:37 < impl> >:|
23:41 < Wombert> impl: make it purple?
23:41 < impl> no
23:41 < Wombert> like the build.properties messages?
23:41 < impl> I can't change that
23:41 < Wombert> wat?
23:42 < Wombert> wait is this for _all_ errors?
23:42 < impl> That's generated inside phing
23:42 < Wombert> eh wat
23:42 < impl> it fires an event
23:42 < impl> that says
23:42 < impl> 'OMG SHIT FAILED'
23:42 < impl> then I catch the error and say 'no nvm shit didn't fail'
23:42 < impl> but the loggers handle it anyway
23:42 < Wombert> but that now happens for all failures, right?
23:42 < impl> No
23:43 < impl> only if you do
23:43 < impl>
23:43 < Wombert> oh
23:43 < Wombert> you know, I gotta give you mad props there
23:43 < Wombert> I can see, literally, all over the place, how hopeless phing is
23:43 < Wombert> but you still made it as awesome as it could possibly be
23:43 * Wombert hugs
23:44 < impl> :>
23:44 < Wombert> how bout rewriting the shit in plain php for 1.1?
23:44 < Wombert> :>
23:44 < impl> you mean python
23:44 < impl> http://conductor.transtruct.org/
23:45 < Wombert> DONT DO THAT
23:45 < Wombert> :<
23:45 < impl> it's so elegant
23:45 < impl> and win
23:45 * Wombert ponders
23:45 < Wombert> I could just continue this sunday
23:45 < Wombert> in fact, I will
23:45 * Wombert stabs
23:45 < Wombert> bai
23:45 < Wombert> it's late
23:45 < Wombert> 1am and I'm still @office
23:45 < Wombert> gayness
23:45 < impl> what happened to Saturday?
23:46 < Wombert> mmmm
23:46 < Wombert> meetings
23:46 < Wombert> bai gotta run
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01:36 < nfq> yo impl
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01:45 < Wombert> owwww we're back to 5.0/5.0 on ohloh :>
01:52 < impl> I can tell that made your day
01:53 * Wombert stabs
01:54 < Wombert> :<<<
01:54 < impl> :DD
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02:42 < Wombert> impl: I'll try and migrate back to xml schema next week
02:42 < Wombert> http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cpp/XSDTutorial_04.aspx has some useful info on how to do the namespaces stuff
02:42 < Wombert> it really is a shame that rng is so crappy
02:42 < Wombert> I was pondering using RNG to validate the envelope and xsd for the rest
02:42 < Wombert> (if that works; not sure)
02:47 < impl> hhghh
02:48 < Wombert> I know, it hurts
02:48 < Wombert> I <3 and stuff
02:48 < Wombert> but what can we do :<
02:48 < Wombert> well maybe write emails to all the xml and blah lists out there and ask for help
02:48 < Wombert> but I don't think it's the fault of our schemas
02:48 < Wombert> although I _have_ seen more useful error messages before
02:50 < Wombert> aha
02:50 < Wombert> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/xml/2003-November/msg00090.html
02:55 < Wombert> ha! http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324164
02:56 < Wombert> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326031#c15
02:57 < Wombert> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558452
02:57 < impl> motherfuckers.
02:58 < Wombert> impl: check the first one
02:58 < Wombert> 324164
02:58 < Wombert> it says interleave inside interleave ruins the error messages
02:58 < Wombert> we have that with validators
02:58 < Wombert> it's an interleave inside a combine="interleave" which probably does the same thing
02:58 < Wombert> (internally)
02:58 < impl> yeah
02:58 < impl> libxml is gay
02:58 < impl> GAY
02:59 < impl> I will rape those faggots
02:59 * impl grumbles
03:01 < Wombert> kay
03:01 < Wombert> I verified
03:01 < Wombert> it's easiest with module.rng
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03:02 < Wombert> make just in samples/modules/Default/config/module.xml
03:02 < Wombert> useless error message
03:02 < Wombert> then modify module.rng so that it only allows settings:
03:02 < Wombert>
03:02 < Wombert>
03:02 < Wombert>
03:02 < Wombert> tadaaa, all fine
03:03 < impl> huhu
03:03 < Wombert> I wonder if we should just disallow no-plural-tags stuff
03:03 < impl> I would like that
03:03 < Wombert> it's annoying me, lately, anyway
03:03 < impl> It's made my life a royal pain in the ass
03:03 < impl> probably yours too
03:03 < Wombert> sure it's more verbose, but
03:03 < Wombert> looooooooool
03:03 < Wombert> :>>>>>>>>>>>>
03:03 * Wombert is still laughing
03:04 < impl> what
03:04 < Wombert> dunno, I started laughing when you complained that your entire life was ruined due to our convenient xml format
03:04 < Wombert> and then I had to laugh more when you pointed out that the same was true for _my_ life
03:04 < Wombert> oh man
03:04 * Wombert chuckles
03:05 < Wombert> so anyway... it's more verbose, but it's also less ambiguous
03:05 < impl> That phrase must carry a lot more weight in German than in English
03:05 < impl> :<
03:05 < Wombert> (in fact, it takes out all the ambiguity)
03:06 < Wombert> okay, now we know what the problem is
03:06 < Wombert> let's discuss the matter next weekend
03:06 < Wombert> k?
03:07 < Wombert> also, libxml needs heaps of love: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=libxml2
03:08 < Wombert> anyway, I gtg to bedz
03:08 < impl> uh uhsuf
03:08 < Wombert> impl: what we need
03:08 < Wombert> srsly
03:08 < Wombert> is shitloads of money
03:08 < Wombert> so we can fix this world
03:08 < Wombert> I'd start with crappy software, and then go from there
03:09 < impl> I agree
03:09 < impl> :D
03:09 < Wombert> okay
03:09 < Wombert> lets figure out the "how" the weekend after next weekend
03:09 < Wombert> I deem the RNG disaster more important <:
03:10 < Wombert> baii
03:10 < impl> bai
03:10 < impl> :<
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08:21 < v-dogg> huomenta
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11:29 < _cheerios> huomenta
11:45 < nfq> yo Wombert
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15:20 < Macen> how are the docs coming along? we nearly there with them yet?
15:20 < Macen> will 1.0 be made with/whout them?
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17:08 < _cheerios> heh, gun sales up 50% on barack obama win.
17:15 < aka> is that real?
17:46 < MikeSeth> i damn home it is
17:56 < MikeSeth> ho-p-e
19:12 < bobbytek2> hey MikeSeth :)
19:12 < bobbytek2> how do you handle urls in css?
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22:18 < MikeSeth> bobbytek2: I just use relative paths
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07:23 < v-dogg> huomenta
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08:19 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:45 < _cheerios> http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1015142.shtml irish luck?
08:56 < MikeSeth> huomenta
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09:02 < MikeSeth> Wombert
09:02 < MikeSeth> any notes on refguide/tutorial?
09:02 < MikeSeth> if not im proceeding
09:12 < impl> Wombert
09:12 < impl> wait fuck I forgot
09:12 < impl> nevermind
09:28 < Wombert> lol impl
09:28 < Wombert> MikeSeth: yeah refman would be good I guess
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13:06 < _cheerios> It's A New Day, It's A New Day.... not a bad tribute song
13:56 < digitarald> MikeSeth: the tutorial
parts need overflow: auto
13:56 < digitarald> http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/slots.html text bleeds to the right
13:56 < digitarald> testen in Firebug, fixes it
14:20 < MikeSeth> ill check it in
14:23 < _cheerios> CHECK IT, CHECK, CHECK, CHECK, CHECK, CHECK IT IN
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14:55 < bobbytek2> love you skillz _cheerios, you a sick dj
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17:00 < RedRacer> Huomenta
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18:24 < digitarald> "Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in C:\xampp\htdocs\redracer\vendor\agavi\validator\AgaviValidationReport.class.php on line 234" ?
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18:44 < digitarald> no idea where that comes from :(
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18:46 < v-dogg> digitarald: someone else had that the other day
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18:51 < digitarald> tried several mode's
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18:52 < digitarald> v-dogg: any idea where to look?
18:52 < digitarald> Agavi 1.0.0-beta5, PHP: 5.2.6
18:54 < digitarald> stacktrace http://pastie.org/private/ilqaw1x8duajm1o8bf4na
18:56 < impl> digitarald: http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/3104
18:56 < digitarald> *banghead*
18:57 < digitarald> no download
18:57 < impl> yeah it's not released yet
18:57 < impl> :X
18:57 < digitarald> gimme nightlies ;)
18:57 < v-dogg> just update your svn:external ;p
18:58 < digitarald> git
18:58 < v-dogg> I know :)
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18:58 < v-dogg> someone should build some svn-git-svn bridge
18:58 < digitarald> b6 release planned?
18:59 < digitarald> there is git-svn ;)
18:59 < v-dogg> a couple days ago but something came up
18:59 < v-dogg> +of
18:59 < digitarald> mh, that bounty
19:00 < digitarald> checked out trunk: 'svn://svn.phpunit.de/phpunit/phpunit/branches/feature/parallel_test_execution/PHPUnit'
19:00 < digitarald> ...
19:00 < digitarald> URL
19:00 < digitarald> 'svn://svn.phpunit.de/phpunit/phpunit/branches/feature/parallel_test_execution/PHPUnit'
19:00 < digitarald> doesn't exist
19:01 < v-dogg> don't use trunk
19:01 < digitarald> ah, right
19:01 < v-dogg> branches/1.0
19:01 < digitarald> I remember
19:01 < digitarald> ... too late
19:01 < v-dogg> quickly before wombie sees ;)
19:02 < _cheerios> heh @ gambling. played blackjack with a mate on friday, i threw away a day's paycheck. and mate? well, he texts me he's at the casino right now *g*
19:04 < digitarald> ... updated ... hope that he doesn't check the logs ...
19:11 < impl> Fucking Wikipedia
19:11 < impl> It's like arguing with a brick wall
19:12 < ttj> _cheerios: A day's paycheck? Pfft! :P
19:12 < digitarald> daily paychecks?
19:16 < digitarald> if that FirePHP project from MikeSeth is uploaded somewhere, I'd love to test the integration!
19:17 < digitarald> makes so much more fun to use FirePHP, integrated in Agavi it would be even better
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19:37 < v-dogg> firephp project?
19:38 < v-dogg> I think one of the polish guys was going to write a firephp output rendering for this: http://www.adt.projectbin.org/
19:39 < v-dogg> currently only html output is available and looks like this: http://veikko.fi/temp/adt/adt-actions.png
19:39 < v-dogg> http://veikko.fi/temp/adt/adt-globalrd.png
19:39 < v-dogg> http://veikko.fi/temp/adt/adt-routing.png
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19:45 < bobbytek2> anyone use puremvc?
19:46 < v-dogg> no, we all use pure MVC *g*
19:46 < bobbytek2> I mean the cross platform mvc framework
19:46 < bobbytek2> I'm thinking about using it for my flex app
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19:52 < _cheerios> nope, no projects with flex/actionscript here
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20:18 < justanothercoder> hello everyone
20:19 < v-dogg> huomenta
20:19 < justanothercoder> hey v-dogg. wassup
20:20 < v-dogg> not much, coding
20:20 < justanothercoder> have you been using agavi for a while?
20:21 < v-dogg> mm... 3-4 years maybe
20:22 < v-dogg> not sure. but about as long as it has existed :)
20:23 < justanothercoder> i am pretty much a spaghetti coder, just trying to figure out MVC and using ORM
20:23 < justanothercoder> i'm learning propel. is that what agavi uses?
20:24 < v-dogg> agavi doesn't tell you what ORM to use, you can use any ORM you like
20:24 < v-dogg> many of us use Propel, others Doctrine
20:24 < v-dogg> others something else or none at all
20:25 < justanothercoder> oh cool. if i had a question about propel, would it be ok to ask here?
20:25 < v-dogg> sure but there is also #propel
20:26 < v-dogg> you are more likely to get an answer there
20:26 < justanothercoder> oh ok thanks. i'll try it there. i'm just learning the ropes
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21:23 < bobbytek2> v-dogg: what do you use?
21:25 < v-dogg> propel
21:26 * v-dogg &
21:44 * bobbytek2 |
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22:35 < dsias> I have been testing locale and it seems it picks the wrong locale if the parameter has random data from an internal call. In my case it set a cookie for 'de'. Is there a way to only have the language call back work for the main request?
22:38 < dsias> Accept-Language en-US,en;q=0.8,de;q=0.5,en-us;q=0.3
22:39 < dsias> the internal request is a slot
22:44 < dsias> I'm debugging it now. The parameter is set to 'in' and should be 'en_US' .
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00:16 < Wombart> Huomenta
00:18 < Wombart> impl: thanks for the mail. The cfp was on my todo list anyway. wp article is... meh
00:19 < Wombart> I finished three handlers. Rng rocks but the libxml shittiness sucks
00:19 < Wombart> We need to go back to xsd I guess
00:20 < Wombart> Req plural tags wouldn't solve all problems
00:20 < Wombart> Will check in tomorrow when I have proper internets
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00:29 < Wombart> I've fucking had it with this iPhone thing
00:29 < Wombart> It runs out of ram all the time
00:30 < Wombart> Go back to another tab and it reloads the page
00:30 < Wombart> If safari hasn't crashed that is
00:30 < Wombart> Gay
00:31 < ttj> Just buy a Nokia.
00:31 < ttj> We have the world's most widely deployed mobile platform... ;P
00:31 < ttj> Thus it must also be the best. :P
00:31 < Wombart> Why can't they put 1gb of ram into this thing
00:32 < Wombart> 128mb... Pffffft
00:32 < Wombart> Browser runs out of mem, kicks tabs
00:32 < Wombart> Then is kicks browser
00:32 < ttj> Oh! The new Top Gear is out!
00:32 < Wombart> Wtg Steve jobs
00:33 < Wombart> Mmmmmmmm top gear do want
00:33 < Wombart> But
00:33 < Wombart> Bedtiem
00:33 < ttj> No butts.
00:33 < Wombart> Bai
00:33 < ttj> Pfft.
00:34 < impl> WOMBART
00:34 < impl> did you get my email
00:35 < impl> oh
00:35 < impl> yes you did
00:35 < impl> hrhrhr
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01:38 < saracen> trophaeum_: Can you show me your nginx rewrite config section? Trying to get it to work with agavi
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02:06 < saracen> nm, got it working :)
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04:57 < v-dogg> huomenta
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05:00 < MugeSo> huomenta
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06:51 < horros> Huomenta.
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07:29 < alenoosh> hi all , I have installed the 0.11.5 version of agavi and I get this error when running the agavi command : http://pastebin.com/m5d18d54b
07:31 < v-dogg> alenoosh: that's not an error, just a notice
07:31 < v-dogg> it tries to read your project specific build.properties but you don't have one
07:32 < alenoosh> alenoosh, but when I run "agavi project" to create an agavi project , it fails
07:32 < v-dogg> but it's not required so you don't have to worry
07:32 < v-dogg> ok, would you mind pasting _that_ error then
07:33 < alenoosh> v-dogg, ok => http://pastebin.com/m3ce97f7d
07:34 < v-dogg> you need to give a _full_ path like it says
07:34 < alenoosh> ok let's see
07:35 < v-dogg> just create the project directory and run "agavi project" in that directory
07:36 < v-dogg> agavi suggests the current directory by default so you only need to hit enter
07:36 < alenoosh> v-dogg, oh yes it works this way , thanks alot
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08:08 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:08 < digitarald> Huomenta!
08:08 < digitarald> MikeSeth: *ping*
08:08 < digitarald> wanne test AgaviFirePHP ;)
08:10 < v-dogg> I do
08:11 < v-dogg> digitarald: did you notice my point about agavi debug toolbar the other day?
08:11 < digitarald> no
08:11 < digitarald> was it pro or contra? ;)
08:11 < v-dogg> 21:16 < digitarald> if that FirePHP project from MikeSeth is uploaded somewhere, I'd love to test the integration!
08:11 < v-dogg> 21:37 < v-dogg> firephp project?
08:11 < v-dogg> 21:39 < v-dogg> http://veikko.fi/temp/adt/adt-routing.png
08:11 < v-dogg> 21:38 < v-dogg> I think one of the polish guys was going to write a firephp output rendering for this: http://www.adt.projectbin.org/
08:11 < v-dogg> 21:39 < v-dogg> currently only html output is available and looks like this: http://veikko.fi/temp/adt/adt-actions.png
08:12 < v-dogg> 21:39 < v-dogg> http://veikko.fi/temp/adt/adt-globalrd.png
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08:13 < digitarald> ah, i see the logs, posted right after my question
08:13 < horros> http://veikko.fi/temp/adt/adt-globalrd.png
08:14 < horros> oops
08:14 < horros> That looks rather neat.
08:14 < luke`> huomenta
08:15 < v-dogg> I'm going to "announce" it on the mailing lists today if I have the time
08:16 < v-dogg> it's still in pre-alpha state but helpful nonetheless
08:16 < digitarald> "this is why I (v-dogg) love XML configs" :)
08:16 < v-dogg> yeah :)
08:17 < digitarald> did u check firephp?
08:17 < v-dogg> oh, btw, I'm not sure the demo works anymore.
08:17 < MikeSeth> digitarald: oh hai
08:17 < MikeSeth> digitarald: ill get my files to you
08:18 < v-dogg> I have looked at it briefly once but not really used it
08:18 < digitarald> mail ät digitarald.de, if u want to mail it
08:19 < digitarald> v-dogg: I love, that it keeps the output clean, all data is wrapped in the response headers
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08:19 < digitarald> of course that's not 100% clean too, but since it's only for development
08:19 < v-dogg> yup
08:19 < digitarald> wanted to look at Wildfire this week
08:20 < digitarald> http://www.wildfirehq.org/
08:20 < v-dogg> digitarald: this is exactly why I wanted to refactor debug toolbar's data gathering into an abstract class. now we can easily output everything as HTML or, say, with FirePhp
08:23 < digitarald> mh, wildfire seems to be just for the news. some pattern with a nice name that uses a lot of buzz words ... I don't see any specs :(
08:28 < v-dogg> digitarald: btw, ADT uses SimpleTabs and it would be awesome if it could store (and restore) the currect tab into/from a cookie ;)
08:29 < digitarald> ok :)
08:29 < digitarald> noted, I'll create a ticket in the forge
08:29 < digitarald> ah, first I'll add a ticket system to the forge *workaholic*
08:29 < v-dogg> haha
08:33 < v-dogg> ok, the ADT demo works again (upgraded agavi to 1.0 beta5
08:40 < luke`> what is ADT?
08:41 < v-dogg> http://adt.projectbin.org/ (screenshots: http://veikko.fi/temp/adt/adt-actions.png :: http://veikko.fi/temp/adt/adt-routing.png :: http://veikko.fi/temp/adt/adt-globalrd.png)
08:42 < horros> v-dogg: Btw, you have a typo in your README.txt :)
08:42 < horros> "2. run php sync-modpup.php (copies stuff to demo app's pub/modpub)"
08:43 < v-dogg> unable to locate typo
08:45 < horros> "modpup"
08:46 < v-dogg> ah, thanks :)
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08:47 < v-dogg> fixed :)
08:48 < v-dogg> o hai Wombert _o/
08:48 < luke`> doesn't adt do what xdebug does?
08:50 < v-dogg> luke`: xdebug shows what routes Agavi matched, incomming parameters, cookies and headers before and after validation, validation errors, Agavi's environment variables?
08:51 < v-dogg> if it does, then yes :)
08:51 < luke`> ah ok
08:56 < v-dogg> btw, the ADT toolbar's template stuff is stupid and output injection is retarted, please don't look at the code I will fix it some day :)
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09:01 < v-dogg> horros: did you try it?-)
09:01 < horros> v-dogg: Nossir, not yet. Will try it out at some point today.
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09:08 < MugeSo> cool! ADT :D
09:13 < CIA-6> david * r3308 /branches/1.0/src/config/ (12 files in 4 dirs): ported compile.xml, *_filters.xml and translation.xml config handlers to new infrastructure, refs #519
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09:59 < horros> \o/
09:59 < horros> Getting 30/1 cable modem intarweb today!
10:13 < digitarald> whats wrong with "" ?
10:18 < digitarald> v-dogg: I have Snippets.xml with ... what would be the xpointer for that?
10:19 < digitarald> I should mention that I never got xpointers to work :/
10:19 < digitarald> maybe its my setup
10:20 < digitarald> xml path is correct, file exists
10:21 < digitarald> "Line 7: XPointer evaluation failed: #xpointer(id('resource-minimal'))" ...
10:22 < digitarald> horros, MikeSeth? :)
10:24 < digitarald> and now he is ranting about the namespace
10:25 < digitarald> "Element 'validator': This element is not expected. Expected is (
10:25 < digitarald> {http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config}validator )."
10:27 < horros> digitarald: No idea, sorry :(
10:28 < digitarald> had the namespace problem sereval times days, removed all includes :(
10:31 < digitarald> this worked: ""
10:31 < horros> Makes sense :)
10:31 < digitarald> but why does v-dogg's action_filters-snippet.xml work :(
10:31 < digitarald> http://svn.projectbin.org/adt/trunk/demo/app/config/action_filters.xml
10:31 < digitarald> no namespace used
10:32 < horros> I'm guessing it's because you have a around the validator configs
10:32 < horros> maybe
10:32 < horros> I dunno, I know fuckall about xinclude :)
10:33 < horros> ( isn't allowed in the agavi config namespace thingie by the schema)
10:34 < digitarald> I just thought that I'm on the save side when I copy v-dogg's code :D
10:34 < digitarald> MikeSeth: *ping* FirePHP sent?
10:35 < horros> Off to the city, back in an hour/an hour and a half or so.
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10:49 < justanothercoder> hello
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10:53 < MikeSeth> digitarald: oh zomg
10:53 < MikeSeth> one sec rebooting to lunix
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10:59 < MikeSeth> http://pastebin.com/f6caf27b0
10:59 < MikeSeth> http://pastebin.com/f793504bf
10:59 < MikeSeth> digitarald: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
10:59 < MikeSeth> justanothercoder: hello
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11:01 < justanothercoder> hello mike
11:03 < digitarald> thx
11:04 < MikeSeth> digitarald: note that because firephp has its own log levels, appender isnt quite the correct place to implement it
11:04 < digitarald> noticed
11:05 < digitarald> did my own implementation
11:05 < digitarald> isn't getRequestData locked?
11:05 < digitarald> ah, not in initialize
11:06 < digitarald> where did u put the extended FirePHP ... app/lib/ ?
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11:09 < MikeSeth> digitarald: app/lib/logging
11:09 < MikeSeth> digitarald: and yeah you should mobe that call to initialize
11:12 < digitarald> I saved the log level in the logger parameters
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11:25 < digitarald> damn, small changes ... big error
11:25 < digitarald> "Fatal error: Class 'AgaviSettingConfigHandler' not found in C:\xampp\htdocs\redracer\vendor\agavi\config\AgaviConfigCache.class.php on line 127" ?
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11:54 < digitarald> Fixed, no idea where it came from
11:55 < digitarald> I have another strange issue that I can't tackle
11:56 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: have you checked out the debug toolbar?
11:57 < digitarald> http://pastie.org/private/gylowtmx4ptfheoagu7ykq
11:57 < digitarald> this *always* validates "OhMyMy" as validate
11:57 < digitarald> but /[a-z][a-z0-9-]{3,32}/u should be lowercase only
11:58 < v-dogg> digitarald: isn't this the something thing we discussed a few weeks back?
11:58 < v-dogg> blah
11:58 < v-dogg> something = same issue
11:58 < digitarald> yes
11:58 < digitarald> still found no real solution
11:59 < v-dogg> packet loss between fingers and brain
11:59 < digitarald> and no idea why this obvious thing should fail
12:00 < digitarald> I suspect some charset problem
12:05 < digitarald> no idea
12:05 < digitarald> I always thought that I'm a regexp god ... feeling more like a regexp clown
12:07 < digitarald> eek ... /[a-z][a-z0-9]{2,29}/.test("FancyUp") ... true
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12:21 < MikeSeth> OH WELL LESSONS LEARNED
12:21 < MikeSeth> jms' qmail-dk will crash silently if it doesnt like your headers
12:21 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: i think I did
12:22 < PyroBilly> digitarald: yes it matches "ancy"
12:23 < PyroBilly> oh and er 'Huomenta' too
12:27 < digitarald> found it, forgot ^$ ...
12:27 < digitarald> idiotic
12:32 * horros waits impatiently for the operator to turn on his 30/1 intarweb
12:32 < horros> WORK FASTER ELISA!
12:32 < horros> :x
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12:39 < digitarald> anybody wants to share his FPF configuration?
12:41 < MikeSeth> I dont have any
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12:51 < v-dogg> the sample app has
12:51 < v-dogg> and is willing to share
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13:13 < digitarald> v-dogg: looking for different approaches, but already build a new xpath for me
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13:24 < justanothercoder> hello
13:24 < justanothercoder> am trying to follow the Bloggie tutorial on agavi.org, however the list of prompts i get seems to vary from the ones mentioned in the website, is that normal?
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13:26 < Macen> the build system is under development yes
13:26 < v-dogg> yup
13:27 < justanothercoder> so are there any docs to help me understand better? or are they under development?
13:27 < MikeSeth> i should prolly update the screens
13:27 < MikeSeth> ehh
13:28 < Macen> unless you put the specific version number at the start of the tutorial
13:29 < justanothercoder> its a bit confusing, an updated screen would help.
13:29 < justanothercoder> hmm that would be helpful too
13:29 < Macen> presuming its possible to check that version out of course
13:32 < MikeSeth> oh and we should put up links to tarballs do
13:32 < MikeSeth> durr so much stuff to do
13:34 < justanothercoder> are there significant changes in the build process in 0.11.5 ?
13:35 < MikeSeth> justanothercoder: IIRC no, not externally anyway
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13:37 < justanothercoder> i guess you're using comma separated values to enter the names of the modules etc, compared to whitespace separated values as shown in the website
13:38 < v-dogg> ah, yes, that was recently changed and I still use commas every f***ing time :)
13:38 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: zomg me too
13:38 < MikeSeth> let's all bug impl :D
13:38 < v-dogg> let's!
13:38 < justanothercoder> lol
13:38 < justanothercoder> which version are you guys using?
13:38 < MikeSeth> i use many
13:39 < justanothercoder> so in future, it will be whitespaces?
13:39 < v-dogg> latest from the SVN branches/1.0 or 0.11
13:39 < justanothercoder> or is that something that might change?
13:39 < v-dogg> justanothercoder: it already is in 1.0 beta5
13:39 < v-dogg> and probably even older betas
13:39 < justanothercoder> okie i'll try updating to that
13:39 < v-dogg> are on on windows?
13:40 < justanothercoder> freebsd
13:40 < justanothercoder> i tried to update via pear, but i am unable to pull the beta
13:40 < v-dogg> you still might want to grab the latest from branches/1.0 and not beta 5
13:40 < v-dogg> there are a few minor issues in beta5
13:40 < justanothercoder> ok will do. i'll do it via svn
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13:57 < v-dogg> hmm.. firephp is not outputing anything
13:58 < v-dogg> come on! do something
13:59 < v-dogg> throw an error or something, don't just do nothing
13:59 < v-dogg> annoying
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14:05 < MrJeep> morning!
14:07 < v-dogg> works \o/
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16:45 < _cheerios> huomenta
16:51 < _cheerios> ace weather outside
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17:02 < Macen> getting pretty dark around here
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17:27 < krycek_> is blogie avaiable to download?
17:27 < krycek_> i can't find it
17:28 < v-dogg> you can get from the SVN at least
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17:43 < Malek> Hello
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17:45 < Kodeart> guys, congrats on the new website :) really really nice
17:46 < Rick> powered by agavi I'd hope
17:46 < Rick> :p
17:47 < krycek_> Line 45: Entity 'nbsp' not defined ... form population filter can't handle ?
17:47 < v-dogg> nah, wombert and guys thought code ignitor is much easier to use
17:48 < Rick> hehe
17:48 < v-dogg> krycek_: xml dom can't handle it because it's not xml. use
17:48 < krycek_> ok
17:49 < Rick> 160? isn't that the fake space :p
17:49 < Kodeart> lol @ v-dogg
17:49 < Rick> is that what turns into?
17:49 < Rick> huh it is, neat :)
17:49 < krycek_> works
17:54 < krycek_> http://svn.agavi.org/documentation/trunk/stages/stage3/app/modules/Admin/views/Posts/EditFormView.class.php
17:54 < krycek_> is that working?
17:54 < krycek_> i changed from $rq->setAttribute to $this->setAttribute and it is now working
17:55 < Strzalek_> no , no, no
17:55 < Strzalek_> $rq is okay
17:56 < Strzalek_> It tells FPF to populate given data
17:57 < krycek_> but it's a local variable and won't exist when FPF executes
17:57 < v-dogg> ?
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17:58 < v-dogg> krycek_: Request is very global and is used to pass data between different parts of the system
17:59 < v-dogg> in this case it's used to pass data to the form population filter
17:59 < krycek_> hmm... i see...it will exist indeed... but didn't work for me... don't know why
17:59 < v-dogg> do you get an error?
18:00 < krycek_> noup...
18:00 < v-dogg> but it doesn't populate the data into the form?
18:00 < krycek_> it doesn't
18:01 < krycek_> and FPF is executed because it couldn't parse &bnps;
18:02 < v-dogg> has the form id 'post' ?
18:04 < krycek_> no... fields are a little different from the blogie sample... name="user[name]" for example
18:05 < v-dogg> but have you changed both field names - form _and_ the data to be populated?
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18:07 < krycek_> yes... i think its correct... otherwise it wouldn't work changing just $rq-> to $this->
18:07 < krycek_> i guess
18:08 < v-dogg> well, that doesn't make any sense if that works
18:08 < v-dogg> can you paste your code (html and view), please
18:09 < krycek_> changing the field name from user[name] to "name" make it works
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18:09 < krycek_> but i would like to use user[name]
18:10 < v-dogg> you can, but obviously you must change it both in the html markup and in the populating...
18:11 < Wombert> re
18:11 < v-dogg> you can even use both 'user[name]' => value and 'user' => array('name' ...
18:11 < Wombert> I don't think that works :)
18:12 < v-dogg> sure it does
18:12 < v-dogg> with parameterholder
18:12 < Wombert> ah
18:12 < Wombert> yes
18:12 < Wombert> sorry, I thought you meant fpf populate array
18:12 < Wombert> :>
18:12 * Wombert hugs v-dogg
18:13 < krycek_> i will try
18:15 < Wombert> do, or do not
18:15 < Wombert> there is no try
18:15 < krycek_> but how can i create 'user[name]' => value without doing that to each field?
18:15 < v-dogg> ?
18:16 < krycek_> now it is getting the values from $user = $rd->getParameter("user");
18:16 < krycek_> right?
18:17 < krycek_> and setting it back to the form: $rq->setAttribute('populate', array('user' => new AgaviParameterHolder($user)), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
18:17 < krycek_> how to set it like you said?
18:18 < krycek_> like user[name]
18:19 < v-dogg> ok, let's start from the beginning. you pre-populate forms using $this->context->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', array('form-id'=>$agaviParameterHolder()), 'org.filter....
18:20 < v-dogg> the parameterholder has data you want to populate into your form
18:21 < v-dogg> you can initialize the parameterholder with values when you create id ($params = new AgaviParameterHolder(array('field1'=>'value1', 'field2'=>'value2 ... )
18:22 < v-dogg> or you can set values using $params->setParameter('field', $value);
18:22 < krycek_> yes, but like so i will have to do it one by one ;/
18:23 < krycek_> http://pastie.org/311537
18:23 < krycek_> that works
18:23 < krycek_> but you said it makes no sense
18:23 < v-dogg> please let me finish
18:23 < krycek_> sorry
18:25 < v-dogg> now, with array inputs () you can either use: $params->setParameter('foo[name]', 'value') or $params->setParameter('foo', array('name'=>'value')
18:26 < v-dogg> when you say "that works" what exactly does it do? show you inputs with "individual" and "company" as values?
18:26 < v-dogg> because you have those in your markup
18:26 < krycek_> [justanothercoder]: that user[name] works too
18:26 < krycek_> ops
18:27 < krycek_> no , user[name] works too
18:27 < justanothercoder> youuu calleddd
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18:35 < krycek_> \o/
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18:35 < krycek_> works
18:36 < krycek_> the right way now
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18:46 < Wombert> lol justanothercoder
18:46 < justanothercoder> :)
18:46 < horros> Wombert: Hilfen mir, bitte!
18:47 < Wombert> wat happen horros
18:47 < horros> "Die Größen der Jacken fallen ziemlich normal aus, sind aber eher eine halbe Nummer zu klein. Ist aber lange nicht so dramatisch wie bei den Sommer Harringtons!"
18:47 < horros> The large models are like half a size too small?
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18:48 < horros> and something about the length and uhh, what? Not as dramatic as the summer-harringtons?
18:48 < horros> I knew I should have stayed in uni and studied more German :(
18:48 < Wombert> the size of the models are pretty normal/average; if any, then half a size on the small side. it's nowhere near as dramatic as with the summer harringtons though
18:48 < horros> Ah, I see!
18:48 < horros> Thanks :)
18:52 < digitarald> wow, I solved all strange code errors today. Started as a bad day, ended as a productive day
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19:18 < _cheerios> http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1135240735276.jpeg crowded :)
19:22 < saracen> Wombert: How can i turn on strict validation in debug mode atm?
19:22 < Wombert> it should be with the standard factories.xml
19:22 < Wombert> oh wait
19:22 < Wombert> well check factories.xml
19:23 < saracen> ah, i see it :)
19:23 < saracen> Thank you :)
19:25 < nfq> yo Wombert
19:25 < Wombert> yo
19:29 < CIA-6> david * r3309 /branches/0.11/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixes #921: logging.xml and output_types.xml handlers have variable name escaping problems
19:31 < saracen> The isset validator should still work, even if the form value == '', right?
19:32 < Wombert> I _think_ so, not sure
19:32 < Wombert> '' = not set on the web
19:32 < Wombert> (as browsers submit an empty string)
19:32 < Wombert> it gets that info from the web request data holder which acts differently
19:33 < saracen> Hmm, I has a problem then. I'm using - Which, is obviously not submitting a value. Before strict validation was on, i just checked if the key existed
19:34 < saracen> Is there a way i can just say that, for that specific input name, it just "falls through"?
19:34 < MrJeep> this is worth reading : http://dissociatedpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/can-i-have-my-spider-back.gif
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19:40 < justanothercoder> can i pull the latest beta via pear?
19:41 < saracen> http://www.agavi.org/download
19:41 < saracen> Underneath the RELEASE NOTES and CHANGELOG text, is for the pear install
19:41 < bobbytek> How can I kill an agavi user session outside of agavi?
19:42 < v-dogg> wipe out session data (where ever you store it)
19:45 < bobbytek> what is the key that agavi uses to store user data under?
19:45 < krycek_> how to skip the validation depending on the value of a field?
19:46 < bobbytek> nvm
19:47 < bobbytek> how to unset the whole session? unset($_SESSION) ?
19:49 < bobbytek> My problem is that I have a dual app on my server
19:49 < bobbytek> my app + cubecart
19:49 < justanothercoder> saracen : that doesn't work. i did > pear config-set preferred_state beta
19:49 < justanothercoder> it says
19:49 < bobbytek> They seem to be using 2 different sessions
19:49 < justanothercoder> Failed to download agavi/agavi, version "1.0.0beta", latest release is version 0.11.5, stability "stable", use "channel://pear.agavi.org/agavi-0.11.5" to install
19:49 < bobbytek> I need to keep them synchronized somehow
19:51 < bobbytek> Cubecart is running as an iframe within my application
19:51 < bobbytek> for some reason, the cubecart session variables aren't availble in my app :/
19:54 < v-dogg> the session id is stored into a cookie. is that cookie accessible by both apps (same name, path, domain etc.)
19:55 < bobbytek> oh, they must be using different cookies then
19:55 < bobbytek> Can I specify the cookie name some how in agavi?
19:57 < v-dogg> factories.xml ...
19:57 < v-dogg> it defaults to 'Agavi' so unless you have changed it they both use the same name
19:57 < v-dogg> so it leaves: path, domain etc.
19:58 < bobbytek> cubecart certainly doesn't use that name :)
19:59 < bobbytek> if you mean they = agavi & cubecart
19:59 < v-dogg> ah, sorry, I thought you had two Agavi apps
19:59 < bobbytek> nope, but thanks for the help! :)
20:00 < bobbytek> How can I skip validation for a disabled field?
20:00 < bobbytek> Is a custom validator required for such a thing?
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20:03 < krycek_> required="false"?
20:04 < bobbytek> then that will always be not required
20:04 < bobbytek> basically, I have a field which is required for new members
20:04 < bobbytek> I disable it later so that it cannot be changed
20:04 < bobbytek> Is this the wrong way to go about things?
20:05 < krycek_> i guess you have to use AgaviAndOperatorValidator for that
20:06 < krycek_> i would like to see a example of that... i couldn't find any in the sample apps
20:06 < bobbytek> And operator eh... hmm
20:06 < bobbytek> what does that do? just adjuncts the condition?
20:10 < v-dogg> bobbytek: register validators manually in the action's register[Write|Read]Validators()
20:10 < _cheerios> with AndValidator you can bundle two errors into one, if the first fails, the execution stops there (= 1 error message) but both are still required to pass validation
20:11 < _cheerios> *two validators (and hence two errors) into one
20:11 < krycek_> _cheerios: where is an example of that?
20:12 < krycek_> *there :T
20:12 < _cheerios> krycek_, http://pastie.org/311656
20:12 < krycek_> cool... that is what i wanted... thanks
20:13 < bobbytek> v-dogg: should I use the AndValidator?
20:14 < bobbytek> okay, so dynamically register the validator then
20:15 < bobbytek> but what if I want to keep the definitions in xml?
20:15 < bobbytek> can I enable them instead some how?
20:15 < bobbytek> _cheerios: what's the difference between that and using provides / requires?
20:16 < _cheerios> bobbytek, ive never used provides/requires yet
20:16 < bobbytek> oh, that's what I've been using for that
20:17 < _cheerios> the .xml sample was from like 2007 or so. not sure that there was any provides/requires back then, and even if it was, i never found out :)
20:19 < bobbytek> heh
20:24 < krycek_> i set my validators #2 and #3 to depends on validator #1, but when #1 is valid, #2 and #3 are marked as valid too... is that the expected behavior?
20:25 < v-dogg> bobbytek: http://pastebin.ca/1250778 AND-validator and provides-depends example
20:26 < bobbytek> when to use one over the other?
20:26 < bobbytek> or is AND obsolete?
20:27 < bobbytek> I don't know how to validate a field that wasn't submitted :/
20:28 < bobbytek> if the field is submitted, ensure that is not empty, it is a date, and it is today or in the future
20:29 < bobbytek> if the field is not submitted, and the user has role "started", then valid
20:29 < bobbytek> I can't get my custom validator to fire in the second case :/
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20:31 < v-dogg> bobbytek: so it boils down to "user has role => date not required" ?
20:32 < bobbytek> yes
20:32 < bobbytek> and do not perform those other validations
20:33 < v-dogg> 22:10 < v-dogg> bobbytek: register validators manually in the action's register[Write|Read]Validators()
20:34 < bobbytek> but what if I want to keep the definitions in xml?
20:35 < bobbytek> can I enable them instead some how?
20:35 < v-dogg> not sure, never done that
20:36 < bobbytek> v-dogg: you have an example of registerReadValidators ?
20:36 < v-dogg> well, you could make a UserHasRoleValidator and make other validators to depend on that
20:37 < bobbytek> is a requirement that the field be submitted though?
20:37 < bobbytek> I mean, can you run validators on fields that don't exist?
20:37 < v-dogg> yes, with required=false
20:38 < v-dogg> http://pastebin.ca/1250879 <- registerValidators
20:38 < v-dogg> gotta go ->
20:38 < bobbytek> k, thanks!
20:45 < bobbytek> well, I think required means not-empty, not isset
20:46 < bobbytek> because it never fires :/
20:50 < bobbytek> what's the difference between a role and a credential?
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20:54 < krycek_> a role has credentials... role is like "administrator"... credential is like "photo.edit"
20:57 < bobbytek> okay, this is f'd
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20:57 < bobbytek> now when the field is empty but submitted, my validator doesn't fire :/
20:57 < bobbytek> wtf
20:58 < bobbytek> I can't win :(
20:58 < impl> :-ooooo
20:59 < bobbytek> it just calls executeWrite :(.....
20:59 < bobbytek> why no validate?
21:00 < impl> What validator are you using?
21:02 < bobbytek> http://www.pastie.org/311705
21:03 < bobbytek> it *WILL* fire if I enter a value for start_date
21:03 < bobbytek> but not if it is empty
21:04 < impl> You need a notempty validator too
21:04 < bobbytek> I want to allow empty
21:04 < bobbytek> I need to in fact
21:05 < impl> errr?
21:05 < bobbytek> I thought required="false" was sufficient?
21:05 < bobbytek> if the field is submitted, ensure that is not empty, it is a date, and it is today or in the future
21:05 < bobbytek> if the field is not submitted, and the user has role "started", then valid
21:05 < bobbytek> that's the basic requirement
21:05 < impl> hmm
21:06 < bobbytek> right now I can't get it to validate when an empty value is submitted
21:06 < impl> I wonder if this is a bug, it doesn't sound like the right behavior
21:06 < bobbytek> I thought required="false" was sufficient for taht
21:06 < impl> but I'm probably overlooking something
21:06 < impl> oh
21:06 < impl> what happens if you put required="true"?
21:07 < bobbytek> well, then it probably won't fire either
21:07 < bobbytek> one sec though
21:08 < bobbytek> that will mess up the case where it is disabled and submitted
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21:09 < bobbytek> ya, that didn't do anything
21:09 < bobbytek> basically, there are 3 cases
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21:09 < bobbytek> 1. Disabled and submit
21:10 < bobbytek> 2. Empty and submit
21:10 < bobbytek> 3. Specified and submit
21:10 < bobbytek> I can't detect 2. right now
21:12 < bobbytek> This is driving me nuts
21:13 < bobbytek> Guess I need to move this code to executeWrite :/
21:14 < krycek_> can "depends" att recieve more than one dependency?
21:14 < bobbytek> yes
21:14 < bobbytek> space seperated list
21:14 < krycek_> hmmm
21:14 < bobbytek> make sure you have the updated relax ng files though
21:14 < bobbytek> there was a bug in them
21:15 < krycek_> 0.11.5 here
21:15 < krycek_> works... thanks, man
21:16 < krycek_> bobbytek: shouldn't you test for credentials of a user in getCredential()?
21:16 < bobbytek> ?
21:17 < krycek_> getCredentials (line 82)
21:17 < krycek_> Retrieve the credential required to access this action.
21:17 < krycek_> instead of putting that in a validator
21:18 < bobbytek> I want the user to still be able to access that action
21:18 < bobbytek> just not update a certain field
21:19 < bobbytek> I'm just gonna make that field read-only
21:19 < bobbytek> it's a bit of a hack, but meh
21:19 < bobbytek> gotta move on
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21:52 < bobbytek> anyone know of a dyamically sizing iframe technique?
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22:07 < krycek_> bobbytek: qooxdoo does that for me
22:07 < krycek_> their layout system are very good
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22:13 < bobbytek> well, I'm using jquery :(
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22:38 < justanothercoder> can anyone here recommend a good MVC tutorial?
22:48 < _cheerios> not that bad actually, kept from reading it for a while http://www.cracked.com/article_16760_6-people-who-died-trying-prove-stupid-point.html
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22:51 < _cheerios> oh, cool, didn't know #1 was based (?) on that recent movie
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22:55 < krycek_> _cheerios: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/04/23/priest.balloons.ap/index.html that priest should be in that list
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22:56 < justanothercoder> proud winners of the darwin awards. lol
22:57 < _cheerios> didn't even too well for him, krycek_ x_X
22:57 < _cheerios> reading the article i wasn't aware he made a similar trip succesfully before
23:00 < krycek_> hehe
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23:35 < bobbytek> foo
23:35 < bobbytek2> bar
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00:02 < bobbytek2> how does the url affect the cookie path?
00:03 < bobbytek2> for some reason, I'm not seeing the cookie on /, but I see it in /store/index.php
00:07 < bobbytek2> nvm
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01:12 < bobbytek2> man, do I HATE cubecart
01:15 < krycek_> let do a new one with agavi
01:16 < bobbytek2> sure, thing!
01:16 < bobbytek2> it's one big ass steaming piece of poo
01:17 < bobbytek2> it's using ionCube to obfuscate the code... and this conflicts with any debugger
01:17 < bobbytek2> So I can't really figure out how their session objects are being created
01:18 < bobbytek2> Some how I need to logout of cubecart when a user logs out of my application
01:18 * bobbytek2 shoots cubecart with a rocket launcher
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01:19 < krycek__> damn
01:20 < krycek__> bobbytek: any day you want to start a new cubecart i'm here
01:20 < bobbytek2> f' a cubecart
01:20 < bobbytek2> cubetard
01:20 < bobbytek2> meh
01:22 < bobbytek2> I'd rather die than recreate cubecart
01:22 < bobbytek2> shopping cart applications aren't exactly fun
01:23 < krycek__> i started a new one because i was not happy with those that exist
01:23 < bobbytek2> they claim to be "modular", but really it's just one monolithic app
01:24 < bobbytek2> the only thing modular is the payment providers
01:24 < bobbytek2> everything else is just one steaming pile of dung
01:24 < krycek__> http://www.magentocommerce.com/ that is the one i liked the most
01:24 < bobbytek2> "I am in the process of incoporating cubecart within a large application that I developped
01:24 < bobbytek2> synchronizing the sessions from cubecart to the other application is enough of a hadache
01:24 < bobbytek2> I do not want envision the same plus dealing with a framework!
01:24 < bobbytek2> http://www.webmasterworld.com/php/3255637.htm
01:24 < bobbytek2> someone feels my pain
01:25 < krycek__> hehehehe
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02:05 < bobbytek2> anyone care to explain something basic about sessions to me?
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02:10 < krycek__> what?
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02:16 < MugeSo> huomenta
02:18 < bobbytek2> huomenta :)
02:25 < bobbytek2> krycek__: Well, I dont' really understand the point of session names
02:25 < bobbytek2> I mean, is it to support concurrent sessions?
02:26 < krycek__> bobbytek2: session names? like $_SESSION["something"]?
02:26 < bobbytek2> no, like session_name(name)
02:27 < bobbytek2> The reason I ask is that I'm trying to synchronize 2 sessions from 2 different apps running on the same server
02:29 < krycek__> and what is the problem exactly?
02:29 < bobbytek2> well, they are using different session names, and different cookie paths
02:31 < bobbytek2> and for some reason, whenever I do a var_dump($_SESSION), I get nothing
02:31 < MugeSo> you use AgaviSessionStorage or it's subclass, don't you?
02:31 < bobbytek2> nope
02:31 < bobbytek2> I use AgaviUser
02:32 < bobbytek2> and cubefart
02:32 < bobbytek2> cubecart is hard as hell to figure out what is going on in their
02:32 < bobbytek2> code
02:32 < bobbytek2> they use ioncube to obfuscate the main entry point, so I can't even debug it
02:33 < bobbytek2> the session activation code is also obfuscated
02:33 < krycek__> agavi used to clear all $_ arrays
02:33 < krycek__> for security reasons
02:33 < krycek__> but i'm not sure if it does that for $_SESSION
02:34 < bobbytek2> here's the situation
02:34 < bobbytek2> I have my app running
02:34 < bobbytek2> then inside my app, I have cubecart running in an iframe
02:34 < bobbytek2> when I var_dump the session in the iframe it is null
02:35 < bobbytek2> yet, I know that one of the variables they load, $cc_session, is some how derived from the real session
02:35 < bobbytek2> so maybe they are doing session name switching?
02:36 < bobbytek2> I have no idea how that is working at the php level though... does switching the session name change $_SESSION?
02:37 < krycek__> i would consider agavi cleaning the $_SESSION array
02:37 < krycek__> yeap... i thing session_name loads the data of the session_id pass to the function
02:37 < krycek__> *think
02:38 < bobbytek2> so you can have multiple sessions going on?
02:40 < krycek__> +-... it will change the session for the whole request
02:40 < krycek__> let me see something
02:40 < bobbytek2> but can you switch it mid request?
02:40 < bobbytek2> like say, go from PHPINFO to ccUser ?
02:40 < bobbytek2> I think that is what may be happening here
02:41 < bobbytek2> Also, I don't think AgaviSessionStorage is unsetting $_SESSION
02:42 < krycek__> you could test for session_name() at the beggining of your app and see what it returns
02:42 < krycek__> and to it again at the ending
02:42 < bobbytek2> right, but some of the code is obfuscated
02:43 < bobbytek2> in the agavi portion of the app, I'm pretty good on
02:43 < bobbytek2> it's this damn cubecart nonsense that's killing me
02:43 < bobbytek2> somehow, when a user logs out of one app, I need to log them out of the other
02:43 < krycek__> hmm... but in some part you are including the files of cubecart
02:44 < bobbytek2> they sort of run independently
02:44 < krycek__> put one session_name() before and one after it
02:44 < bobbytek2> cubecart has no front controller from agavi
02:44 < bobbytek2> it's got it's own index.php thing going on
02:45 < bobbytek2> inside of it, it uses ioncube to load some bullshit obfuscated bootstrap
02:45 < krycek__> ahh, right... inside of an iframe
02:45 < bobbytek2> session name will be the default PHPINFO in there
02:45 < bobbytek2> yeah
02:46 < bobbytek2> I think they switch it to ccUser in that protected code, then switch it back to PHPINFO
02:46 < krycek__> and if you run it standalone it works fine?
02:46 < bobbytek2> cause when I dump $_SESIION, it's empty
02:46 < bobbytek2> yeah, everything works fine
02:46 < bobbytek2> There is this class called cc_session
02:47 < bobbytek2> it's available in their code with the global var $cc_session
02:47 < bobbytek2> that has to come from some session
02:47 < bobbytek2> http://www.pastie.org/311965
02:48 < krycek__> it's weird because cubecart has its own request if loading inside of an iframe...
02:48 < bobbytek2> it does
02:48 < bobbytek2> but the cookie should be passed to it since the request is initiated after the page loads
02:49 < bobbytek2> note that CC_SESSION_NAME == 'ccUser'
02:49 < krycek__> it uses session_regenerate_id
02:49 < bobbytek2> and the cookie value of ccUser is equal to the value of PHPINFO
02:49 < krycek__> it updates the session id and delete the old one
02:49 < bobbytek2> er, PHPSESSIONID
02:50 < bobbytek2> where?
02:50 < krycek__> like 185
02:50 < krycek__> ops
02:51 < krycek__> line
02:51 < bobbytek2> what does that function do?
02:51 < bobbytek2> changes the session id?
02:52 < krycek__> yeap... and the data is stored in a DB and not in $_SESSION
02:52 < krycek__> thats why it is blank
02:52 < bobbytek2> well, i think it's in both
02:53 < bobbytek2> that's just for authentication
02:53 < bobbytek2> on subsequent requests, that code doesn't run
02:53 < bobbytek2> there needs to be at least the user_id in the session
02:54 < krycek__> hey could know the user_id creating a relation between session_id and user_id in the DB
02:54 < bobbytek2> how else could it load the user's info?
02:54 < krycek__> *they
02:54 < bobbytek2> hmm...
02:56 < bobbytek2> there is a sessId and customer_id column in that table
02:57 < bobbytek2> so are you thinking that the constructor for session is getting called on each request?
02:58 < bobbytek2> if you said yes, you would be right!
02:59 < krycek__> for every request i don't know... maybe
03:00 < bobbytek2> it looks like it is
03:00 < krycek__> can't you access that table and get the data you need?
03:00 < bobbytek2> what I need to do is be able to kill that cubecart session some how from agavi
03:01 < bobbytek2> and do the same from cubecart as well
03:01 < bobbytek2> (kill agavi session)
03:03 < krycek__> sorry... i wish i could help more
03:03 < bobbytek2> you have a lot actually
03:04 < bobbytek2> I appreciate just bouncing questions off you :)
03:04 < bobbytek2> Thanks though
03:04 < krycek__> :)
03:05 < bobbytek2> no idea why you would store sessions in the db
03:05 < bobbytek2> for load balancing?
03:05 < krycek__> i don't know... but agavi does that to if you want to
03:06 < krycek__> storing that in the db has no limitation of space like $_SESSION
03:07 < bobbytek2> but the schema is pretty bare
03:07 < bobbytek2> it just stores the location and browser,
03:07 < bobbytek2> no real user state
03:09 < krycek__> but it's all in one place... storing it in files you can't get any data... it gives you more control over the sessions
03:12 < bobbytek2> well, in the case of cubecart, all the user's data I believe is stored in the session... although I could be wrong
03:13 < bobbytek2> maybe it is queried on each request
03:13 < bobbytek2> maybe to log out the user I need to remove that record in the db
03:15 < bobbytek2> either way, cubecart looks to be one big hack
03:16 < bobbytek2> is there a way to print the stack at a line of code?
03:21 < krycek__> don't you have XDebug?
03:22 < bobbytek2> can't use that with zend optimizer
03:23 < krycek__> yep, i had to disable zend optimizer... but do you really need zend optimizer in a development enviroment?
03:23 < bobbytek2> zend optimizer = obfuscator
03:24 < bobbytek2> when I remove that session record from the db, it logs me out :)
03:25 < bobbytek2> so do I have to throw an exception to record the stack trace?
03:26 < bobbytek2> "This file was encoded by the Zend Guard. In order to run it, please install the Zend Optimizer (available without charge), version 3.0.0 or later. "
03:27 < bobbytek2> that's what happens when I try to debug :/
03:27 < bobbytek2> Apparently you can't use XDebug or Zend Debugger with Zend Optimizer (Zend Guard) or ionCube
03:28 < bobbytek2> Thus, I can't really step through any of the cubecart code
03:29 < bobbytek2> Anyways, gonna call it a night
03:29 < bobbytek2> Thanks so much for your help krycek__
03:29 < bobbytek2> I now know how to log out of cubecart :)
03:30 < bobbytek2> Take car
03:30 < bobbytek2> e
03:30 < krycek__> great \o/
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03:30 < krycek__> good night
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04:18 < krycek__> anyone there have already used AgaviXorOperatorValidator?
04:19 < krycek__> even setting skip_errors to true, it submits errors to the validation manager
04:33 < krycek__> damnit
04:33 < krycek__> it has to be a bug
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05:01 < krycek__> skip_errors is not working in AgaviXorOperatorValidator
05:08 < MugeSo> instead, how about to set severity 'info' to subvalidators.
05:09 < krycek__> hmm..
05:11 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:12 < krycek__> rá.. thanks, MugeSo
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05:12 < MugeSo> huomenta
05:16 < v-dogg> 05:16 < bobbytek2> is there a way to print the stack at a line of code?
05:16 < v-dogg> http://php.net/debug-backtrace
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06:15 < MugeSo> How can I validate array such like "foo[]=bar&foo[]=baz" ?
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07:17 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: ping ping ping
07:17 < v-dogg> http://veikko.fi/temp/adt/adt-firephp.png
07:19 < v-dogg> now you can choose between html output ("symfony-style debug toolbar") or firephp output :)
07:26 < liutis> :-O
07:26 < liutis> cool stuff
07:26 < liutis> :)
07:27 < impl> v-dogg: neat
07:34 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: just need you to OK including your BloggieFirePHP (renamed to AdtFirePhp) before I can commit this :)
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07:44 < MugeSo> how to use adt?
07:45 < v-dogg> I'll write installation instructions, just a sec
07:46 < MugeSo> ok ;)
07:52 < v-dogg> http://svn.projectbin.org/adt/trunk/INSTALL.txt
08:04 < horros> Huomenta.
08:05 < v-dogg> huomenta
08:06 < horros> v-dogg: I'll have a look at ADT today once my fingers have thawed.
08:07 < v-dogg> cool
08:07 < horros> haha
08:08 < horros> I guess I haven't woken up yet.
08:08 < horros> I tried to click the URL bar in the screenshot you posted and wondered wtf is wrong with firefox again :)
08:08 < v-dogg> :D
08:21 < MugeSo> greate! v-dogg
08:22 < MugeSo> but... there are 2 ADT-Debug-Toolbars :(
08:24 < v-dogg> woot?
08:24 < MugeSo> I think decoration layer cause this.
08:24 < v-dogg> you have two
tags there?
08:25 < MugeSo> hmm
08:25 < v-dogg> be HTML injection is pretty retarded still, it only does str_replace('', $output."\n"
08:26 < MugeSo> ..yes,
08:26 < v-dogg> s/be/the
08:26 < MugeSo> thanks
08:27 < v-dogg> MugeSo: note that default 404 etc. error templates have a complete ...