doing
14:45 < bobbytek4> this isn't explained
14:45 < E_mE> ill take a look
14:47 < bobbytek4> I'll be happy if I can just FPF to output my errors in any fashion at this point :)
14:47 < E_mE> sorry?
14:47 < E_mE> explain litte clearer
14:48 < bobbytek4> if FPF could display my errors, I will be happy
14:48 < bobbytek4> I can't get it to work right now
14:48 < bobbytek4> I don't have a dd element
14:48 < bobbytek4> what does the parameter's name element do exactly?
14:48 < horros> You shouldn't need a dd-element
14:48 < bobbytek4> is that a target?
14:48 < horros> a should be enough.
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14:49 < bobbytek4> semanically, what do each of those configuration elements do?
14:49 < bobbytek4> It is extremely vague in the example
14:50 < bobbytek4> Does anybody know? :)
14:50 < bobbytek4> Am I not making sense?
14:50 < bobbytek4> I want to know how to configure AgaviFormPopulationFilter
14:50 < bobbytek4> There is an example on that page I linked to http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/1.0/samples/app/config/global_filters.xml
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14:51 < bobbytek4> In the parameters element of the FormPopulationFilter filter, there is a parameter element
14:51 < bobbytek4> This element has a name attribute with a value of parent::${htmlnsPrefix}dd
14:52 < bobbytek4> What does this value mean semantically to the filter?
14:52 < MikeSeth> bobbytek4: this is most likely a parameter for FPF
14:52 < MikeSeth> as in $this->getParameter()
14:53 < MikeSeth> so if you wanted to change it, you'd pass the new value to FPF using in its config
14:53 < bobbytek4> right, but it has meaning to the filter, right?
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14:53 < bobbytek4> is it an XPath expression that indicates where in the document to place the errors?
14:54 < bobbytek4> Is it just a really funky name?
14:54 < E_mE> bobbytek4:
14:54 < bobbytek4> I just want to display my errors :(
14:54 < E_mE> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/0.11.5/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php
14:54 < bobbytek4> all I get is the original form still :(
14:54 < E_mE> im just trying to find out for you
14:55 < bobbytek4> E_mE: I thought you use this filter, no?
14:55 < E_mE> is the FPF enabled?
14:55 < E_mE> in your global_filters.xml
14:55 < bobbytek4> yes, I know it is enabled since I got an error when there was invalid markup
14:55 < bobbytek4> when I fixed the invalid markup, it went away
14:55 < E_mE> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/0.11.5/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php#L380
14:56 < E_mE> invalid markup sorry?
14:56 < E_mE> make sure your page is generating Valid XHTML as well
14:56 < bobbytek4> it is
14:57 < bobbytek4> I validated it
14:57 < bobbytek4> so what is parent::${htmlnsPrefix}dd relative to?
14:57 < bobbytek4> the form?
14:57 < bobbytek4> the offending input?
14:58 < bobbytek4> Sorry guys, bear with me... I'm totally lost here :)
14:59 < E_mE> bobbytek4: trying to figure it out my self :)
14:59 < E_mE> dont worry dude
14:59 < E_mE> im just as perplexed as you at the moment
14:59 < E_mE> so lets try and figure it out :)
14:59 < bobbytek4> haha, good :)
15:00 < E_mE> is your HTML styled like - Field Name
?
15:00 < E_mE> because if it aint, then they wont be inserted i can imagine
15:00 < bobbytek4> no, not in the least
15:00 < bobbytek4> hehe!
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15:00 < E_mE> well that maybe why then
15:00 < E_mE> how is your form being formatted?
15:00 < bobbytek4> ah, so then it is relative to the element
15:00 < E_mE> html coded shall i say?
15:01 < bobbytek4> ?
15:01 < bobbytek4> say if I wanted them inserted within a element with a particular id? what' the xpath for that?
15:01 < bobbytek4> #id ?
15:02 < E_mE> no that code example will createa new Rrrrraaahhhhh
inside you
elements
15:02 < bobbytek4> id('errors') ?
15:02 < bobbytek4> let me try that
15:02 < E_mE> well ID can only exist once ever in a page or it violates XHTML
15:03 < E_mE> oh i see
15:03 < bobbytek4> I'm trying something like:
15:03 < bobbytek4>
15:04 < bobbytek4> with
15:04 < E_mE> mmm
15:04 < E_mE> you want to insert all the errors into one location huh
15:04 < bobbytek4> yeah,
15:04 < bobbytek4> that did something!
15:05 < E_mE> ?
15:05 < bobbytek4> it worked!
15:06 < E_mE> does that replace the "parent::${htmlnsPrefix}dd"?
15:06 < bobbytek4> yes
15:07 < bobbytek4> that's the target location xpath, relative to the input node
15:07 < bobbytek4> I used an absolute xpath, and changed location param to child
15:07 < E_mE> bobbytek4: so is parent:: xpath it self?
15:07 < bobbytek4> parent::dd says find the parent dd element relative to the input element
15:08 < bobbytek4> then take the location param, and put it there
15:08 < E_mE> a see :)
15:09 < E_mE> well i've learnt something too :)
15:09 < bobbytek4> thanks so much for finding that part in the code!
15:09 < bobbytek4> This clears up a lot
15:09 < bobbytek4> That should at least be documented in that example
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15:09 < bobbytek4> It would have cleared up a lot for me
15:09 < E_mE> no problem, bi-directional benefit :)
15:09 < bobbytek4> MikeSeth: you get that? :)
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15:10 < E_mE> proberbly will be in the documentation soon :)
15:10 < E_mE> Wombert_: when the site going live!! :: Waits in attispation ::
15:11 < bobbytek4> I'm assuming I can reconfigure this per template?
15:11 < E_mE> that did cross my mind
15:11 < bobbytek4> Guess I need to ask the author or read some code
15:12 < E_mE> but i believe you should be able to manually insert these values into the FPF via the view/action
15:12 < bobbytek4> oh, right
15:13 < bobbytek4> good call :)
15:14 < E_mE> pass data to $this->context->getRequest()->setAttributes(..., 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter'); i believe
15:14 < E_mE> somewhere in the line of that
15:15 < bobbytek4> right, yeah I shall do that :)
15:16 < E_mE> you can use the FPF to push values into your form
15:17 < E_mE> rather then using
15:17 < bobbytek4> Yes, this part I DO have working :)
15:17 < bobbytek4> FPF is really neat actually
15:17 < E_mE> its GREAT
15:17 < bobbytek4> I have never seen anything quite like it before
15:17 < E_mE> you played with making your own filters or validaators yet?
15:17 < bobbytek4> Aside from sitemesh from java...
15:17 < bobbytek4> not yet, I'm sure I will though :)
15:18 < E_mE> well tip is use validators to fire your error view rather then putting validation logic in execute*() functions
15:19 < bobbytek4> right, which is what I'm doing right now
15:20 < bobbytek4> although, I only have simple validation needs right now, so I'm doing it declaratively via the supplied validators
15:20 < E_mE> :) cool
15:21 < E_mE> didnt mean to talk down on you :) just took me little while to use those in such a benefitual way
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15:22 < bobbytek4> right, I hear you
15:22 < bobbytek4> thanks though :)
15:22 < bobbytek4> I welcome any and all tips :)
15:24 < E_mE> :)
15:25 < bobbytek4> Hmmm... something is wrong with my validation file
15:26 < bobbytek4> oh, no it's not!
15:26 < bobbytek4> nvm
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15:48 < bobbytek4> Does PDO always return strings for column values?
15:48 < bobbytek4> I find it annoying that it doesn't return dates as date values :/
15:49 < v-dogg> use propel :)
15:49 < bobbytek4> yet another thing to learn!
15:50 < bobbytek4> how long does it take to setup and get going if I'm very familiar with ORM concepts?
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15:51 < v-dogg> bobbytek4: it's not difficult to install but setting up the schema and building takes sometime the first time
15:51 < E_mE> bobbytek4: Doctrine ;) as well
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16:00 < Wombert_> talk starting. laters.
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16:01 < v-dogg> :)
16:01 < v-dogg> lots of stressed out people here
16:01 < E_mE> oh is its womb talk?
16:01 < v-dogg> as in here in the conferenre
16:01 < v-dogg> in 15 minutes
16:02 < E_mE> really? just the agavi lot or others?
16:02 < v-dogg> "scaling your development using Agavi" or something
16:02 < Macen> lies
16:02 < Macen> you're all at the pub really :/
16:02 < v-dogg> I wish
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16:04 < E_mE> v-dogg: doesnt the conf give free beer?
16:04 < v-dogg> not yet anyway
16:04 < E_mE> in the evening?
16:05 < E_mE> how people are there do you think v-dogg?
16:05 < v-dogg> how? how many?
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16:05 < E_mE> ja
16:05 < v-dogg> no idea
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16:05 < E_mE> 1000s/
16:05 < v-dogg> a few hundreds
16:05 < E_mE> ?
16:05 < v-dogg> less than 1k
16:05 < E_mE> ah.. i always assumed it would be huge
16:06 < v-dogg> almost everyone is wearing an Agavi t-shirt
16:06 < E_mE> really!!!
16:06 < v-dogg> or nearly 10 anyway :)
16:06 < v-dogg> :p'
16:06 < E_mE> oh ha
16:06 < E_mE> you got one?
16:07 < E_mE> will womb presentation be online afterwards to download do you know?
16:07 < hashZILLA> hi question about routing method: if i have 2 routes that use the same action, one with the method="read" set, both routes run executeRead() in the action. is that right?
16:08 < hashZILLA> ie executeRead overrides for some reason
16:08 < Macen> he said he'd sent emails about having recordings and had no response (he said thats usual)
16:08 < E_mE> hashZILLA: should do yes
16:08 < Macen> i will buy him a karaoke machine if he wants :/
16:08 < E_mE> well method="" shouldnt be in there
16:08 < Macen> i'm notsure you can get them to output to digital HDD's though
16:08 < E_mE> constraint="read" is attribute i believe
16:09 < Macen> no idea how it works
16:09 < hashZILLA> E_mE - the method="read" is for a SOAP context
16:09 < E_mE> hashZILLA: but if you request either Route with a GET request then it will fire executeRead()
16:09 < E_mE> hashZILLA: ah see sorry
16:11 < hashZILLA> I want to keep the execution separate but in the same action - how can i stop the html context running executeRead() ?
16:12 < E_mE> you would have routing configurations for in both soap and html contexts
16:12 < E_mE> in the routing.xml
16:12 < hashZILLA> sure - i have that - the soap has method="read"
16:12 < hashZILLA> the other no method
16:13 < E_mE> ah i see
16:13 < E_mE> you want the same action but fire different functions
16:13 < E_mE> ?
16:13 < hashZILLA> for different context yes
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16:13 < E_mE> well then use method="myHtmlMethod" and method="mySoapMethod" or so
16:13 < E_mE> in both of your routes
16:13 < hashZILLA> ok so i can just name it whatever i like? i c
16:14 < E_mE> yep
16:14 < E_mE> sorry i had a blond moment back there
16:14 < hashZILLA> funny that the executeRead overrides the execute tho no?
16:14 < hashZILLA> if you don't specify a method
16:14 < E_mE> yes it does, if executeRead exists, it will
16:14 < hashZILLA> ok if i set method="banana" would it run executeBanana()?
16:15 < v-dogg> yes
16:15 < E_mE> yep
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16:15 < E_mE> hashZILLA: will both your functions be performing the same logic?
16:15 < E_mE> but want to return data for each context?
16:15 < E_mE> so SOAP and HTML contexts
16:15 < hashZILLA> yes that's the idea
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16:16 < E_mE> well, you should not be using the action to define this
16:16 < E_mE> you should allow view to detirmine the output type
16:16 < E_mE> by setting up output_type="soap_output" in your route
16:17 < hashZILLA> ok so if i leave method="read" out (i copied it from the sample app) then use the view instead right?
16:17 < E_mE> meaning that your execute() function only has the code once
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16:17 < hashZILLA> executeSoap
16:17 < E_mE> hashZILLA: in your action you should just have executeRead()
16:18 < E_mE> then in your view you should have:
16:18 < E_mE> executeSoap() and executeHtml()
16:18 < hashZILLA> right - so method="read" is required for soap?
16:18 < E_mE> and the Soap and Html should be output type name's
16:18 < E_mE> well your action should only need one function if its generating the same data for both contexts
16:19 < hashZILLA> understood
16:19 < hashZILLA> thanks
16:19 < E_mE> and then passing it to the view, and agavi will then fire either executeSoap() or executeHtml() depending on the routing rulke
16:19 < E_mE> np :)
16:19 < E_mE> think of it as a one (action) to many (views)
16:21 < hashZILLA> ok - i'm starting to get the hang of this :)
16:21 < E_mE> cool :)
16:22 < E_mE> pleased to hear
16:25 < hashZILLA> i think it would be very helpful for people to have a basic execution flow diagram. i think that was the hardest part to work out really
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16:25 < E_mE> hashZILLA: agreed, but that is how MVC is ment to work :)
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16:26 < E_mE> having one structure of data and passing it to many different views
16:26 < hashZILLA> i understand but i mean for agavi specifically
16:26 < E_mE> for intepretation
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16:26 < hashZILLA> context->dispatch->routing->etc.
16:26 < E_mE> hashZILLA: ja... i would like a diagram taht shows what configurations affect and link to where
16:26 < hashZILLA> yeh i'm thinking of making my own as a reference
16:26 < E_mE> output_types bullied me the most
16:27 < hashZILLA> right
16:27 < hashZILLA> and i haven't even started on the filters yet
16:27 < E_mE> you looked at validators?
16:27 < hashZILLA> not really - i think i get the idea but still early stage for that
16:28 < hashZILLA> translation is also a biggie for me
16:28 < E_mE> look at validators, those are essential to application flow
16:28 < hashZILLA> really...
16:28 < E_mE> defines whether a request should enter the execute*() function or not in the action
16:28 < hashZILLA> hmmm
16:29 < E_mE> more required when data is coming into action then simple actions
16:29 < E_mE> so for example: if ive got a route as such
16:29 < E_mE> then id setup a validator for product_name, to make sure it exists in the database or so
16:30 < E_mE> and if not return an error which means that the application will then called handleReadError() rather then executeRead()
16:30 < hashZILLA> is taht a routing callback?
16:30 < E_mE> mean you dont need to perform checking in your executeRead()
16:30 < E_mE> no, routing call backs are different
16:31 < E_mE> but in theroy you could do it as a routing callback, but you would use that more if the page exists or not
16:31 < E_mE> so if you want only to display a product page if the product exists then you use routing call backs
16:31 < E_mE> meaning it would then auto direct to a 404 im thinking
16:32 < hashZILLA> ic
16:32 < E_mE> where as the validation method gives you more power on how to handle the errornious variable
16:32 < hashZILLA> so the validator for the above example would be module/validate/Product.xml?
16:33 < E_mE> modules/ModuleName/validate/actionName.xml
16:35 < hashZILLA> got it! i'll try and find some examples... i'm looking forward to the new site/docs
16:35 < E_mE> and define your validation rule in there
16:35 < E_mE> me too
16:38 < hashZILLA> k - thanks for your help
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16:38 < hashZILLA> much appreciated
16:38 < digitarald> Huomenta! Hey agavi lovers
16:38 < E_mE> hashZILLA: if you got any question dont hesitate :)
16:39 < hashZILLA> thanks
16:39 < digitarald> Congratulations to the site relaunch, amazing ... I have to blog about it :D
16:39 < kaos|work_> digitarald: thx
16:39 < kaos|work_> david is giving his talk right now :)
16:39 < E_mE> fuck yea!!
16:39 < E_mE> wicked!
16:39 < hashZILLA> oh! new site
16:39 < E_mE> nice :)
16:39 < E_mE> congrats bitx's :D
16:39 < digitarald> kaos|work_: I waited all day for the relaunch ;)
16:39 < kaos|work_> thx :)
16:40 < kaos|work_> hehe
16:40 < kaos|work_> it's still somewhat shaky
16:40 < kaos|work_> but it's there :)
16:40 < digitarald> ... without my forge, but digged too deep into deadline projects :(
16:41 < digitarald> not sure if thats connected, I just got 2 agavi job offers ... maybe not connected
16:41 < kaos|work_> heh
16:42 < kaos|work_> nice :)
16:42 < kaos|work_> but there's only like 15 non agavi ppl listening to the talk *g*
16:42 < kaos|work_> dericks talk probably drew them all xD
16:42 < digitarald> topic?
16:42 < kaos|work_> debugging w/ xdebug
16:43 < digitarald> ok, everydays tools always attract people
16:43 < digitarald> too bad
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16:50 < digitarald> kaos|work_: http://www.agavi.org/about
16:51 < E_mE> error :S
16:51 < kaos|work_> heh
16:52 < kaos|work_> thats broken ;)
16:55 < E_mE> love the diagram in mvc in agavi section :D
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16:55 < digitarald> kaos|work_: why xdebug on a production server?
16:55 < kaos|work_> oh actually
16:55 < kaos|work_> i wanted to switch that off ;)
16:56 < kaos|work_> or rather error_reporting :)
16:56 < digitarald> and the about link is only in the blog template?
16:56 < kaos|work_> yeah
16:56 < kaos|work_> we didn't have the time to update the tumblr template
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16:58 < digitarald> design flattered: http://www.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/introduction-agavi.html
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17:13 < hashZILLA> how can i disable form population global filter for my soap context?
17:13 < hashZILLA> or apply it just to a web context?
17:13 < MrJeep> I think it could be better ..
17:13 < hashZILLA> configuration context="web" ?
17:13 < MrJeep> do you want me to build one ?
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17:14 < hashZILLA> MrJeep: talkin to me?
17:14 < MrJeep> no, I was talking to digit, sorry
17:14 < hashZILLA> ok
17:15 < hashZILLA> btw those doc pages don't have links to the next pages
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17:18 < nfq> impl: you there?
17:22 < saracen> Wow, website stuffz
17:22 < saracen> + errors
17:22 < MrJeep> seriously... The new site look a little amaturish to me..
17:22 < MrJeep> sorry if I hurt the designer
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17:24 < Strzalek> wow
17:24 < Strzalek> new site
17:24 < Strzalek> Hmm but I'm confused. It looks strange
17:24 < MrJeep> yeah
17:24 < hashZILLA> bug: http://new.agavi.org/about
17:24 < MrJeep> why the space and a plant that grows on the desert ...
17:24 < MrJeep> but It look like the common CMS
17:25 < Strzalek> But finally we have a site ;)
17:25 < hashZILLA> linked on this page for some reason: http://trac.agavi.org/browser
17:26 < saracen> bug: http://new.agavi.org/documentation/tutorial/introduction.html
17:26 < saracen> The bottom goes weird
17:26 < hashZILLA> yeh and no links to other pages
17:26 < MrJeep> If wombert and the others agree, I could makeone
17:27 < saracen> I like the design =)
17:29 < MrJeep> the logo (and I mean the Agavi part only) needs to be reworked
17:29 < Strzalek> Yeah
17:29 < Strzalek> now I'm sure
17:29 < MrJeep> we need a good, better font
17:29 < MrJeep> and please
17:29 < Strzalek> this desing sux
17:29 < MrJeep> inner shadow ....
17:29 < Strzalek> really
17:30 < MrJeep> inner shadow needs to go away or be a lot more subtle
17:31 < nfq> thanks guys :D
17:32 < MrJeep> I would not say it suck
17:32 < MrJeep> but I'ts not up to what it could be
17:32 < MrJeep> if we compare to other site like the old mootools, cakephp
17:32 < nfq> well, you need to be aware that it's going to take some days for the site to be cleaned up
17:32 < nfq> cakephp isn't a great site, sorry
17:32 < nfq> mootools is
17:32 < MrJeep> nfq, do you want me to build a design?
17:33 < nfq> MrJeep: why? my design is as wombert wants
17:33 < nfq> it's got to be tweaked of course
17:33 < MrJeep> ok well, I'm just offering some help
17:33 < MrJeep> but if it's as you want it to be then I guess you don't need me
17:34 < E_mE> bai guys
17:34 < E_mE> me home
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17:34 < saracen> MrJeep: You're coming across as quite rude, regardless of it being your intention :P
17:34 < MikeSeth> OM NOM NOM
17:34 < nfq> MrJeep: well, it's good to get feedback, don't get me wrong.. but.. it's going to take a few days until all the tweaks are done and some things are final.. the last few days was a bit of a rush
17:35 < nfq> and of course, the design has been thought about.. it is hard to please everyone.. but it will get better..
17:35 < nfq> If you got some good ideas, suggest them to wombert
17:35 < MrJeep> saracen: I don't think I'm rude, I said " I would not say it suck", it does not, but I feel it could be better
17:36 < MrJeep> all I will suggest is rework the logo
17:36 < nfq> remove the inner shadows? and?
17:36 < MrJeep> choose a better font
17:36 < MrJeep> a more distincitve font
17:36 < nfq> like?
17:36 < nfq> this font is awesome.. but that's a taste thing!
17:37 < MrJeep> I could give you some example if I was not at work
17:37 < nfq> what's your suggestion?
17:37 < nfq> okie
17:37 < MrJeep> Or I could ask for advices from the designers here
17:37 < MrJeep> but hey, I'm not starting a war here. If the design pleases you then it's fine
17:37 < nfq> tell the designers there.. the font is Avenir.. they night be impressed
17:37 < nfq> well, it doesn't have to please me.. it has to please wombert and team
17:38 < nfq> MikeSeth: you there?
17:38 < MikeSeth> nfq: ya
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17:40 < MrJeep> nfq : look at the flower, all curvy and smooth, I think the font does not match this very much
17:40 < MrJeep> if I have some time I'll suggest something
17:40 < nfq> MrJeep: ok, cool thanks...
17:40 < MrJeep> then you'll get the opportunity to critisize it :)
17:40 < MrJeep> we'll be even ;)
17:41 < nfq> hehe
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17:45 < MrJeep> (sorry if I hurt your feelings)
17:45 < MrJeep> I've*
17:46 < nfq> MrJeep: not at all...
17:47 < nfq> dude, this is my job,. I design all day.. I know how it is to not please everyone.. so, it's not a personal thing..
17:47 < nfq> and it's good to give feedback..
17:47 < nfq> I'd let wombert know of anything you think can be improved upon
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17:52 < nfq> Strzalek_: what page looks weird on the site?
17:52 < nfq> I think it isn't optimised for IE yet
17:53 < Strzalek_> whole site ;) No offence, but for me it looks like some "Free site template" used
17:53 < Strzalek_> Anyway - I'm very happy that finnally Agavi got site not one page ;)
17:54 < nfq> ah, so it's not a particular page that looks out?
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18:01 < bobbytek4> how can I pass an "invalid username or password" message to FPF?
18:02 < saracen> Something like getValidationManager()->setError('username', 'Incorrect waffles');
18:02 < saracen> That will set the error message on a input field named "username". If you want both username and password to be highlighted, grouped and to share the same message - Tell me when you figure out a decent way =)
18:04 < MrJeep> Actually, I thought something would have been made from the old grey design
18:04 < bobbytek4> oh, nice
18:04 < bobbytek4> thanks dude