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00:02 < erisco> hey, what is the point of the modpub directory?
00:02 < erisco> and huomenta daveFre
00:02 < daveFre> images/css/js
00:05 < daveFre> Some of my co-workers and I were messing with eclipse and thought it would be interesting to have a plugin that would make the use of agavi simple. Make it like Visual studio and ASP.NET
00:07 < daveFre> Are there any plans out there to create an integration with an existing IDE
00:07 < daveFre> ?
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00:36 < erisco> I am trying to get the rewriting working (what a pain)
00:37 < erisco> when I go to http://localhost/project/pub/ everything works fine. when I go to http://localhost/project/pub/foo all the links break
00:37 < erisco> looking at the generated base href it changed from http://localhost/project/pub/ to http://localhost/
00:37 < erisco> why? and how do I fix this?
00:49 < erisco> is there anywhere in a config where you can specify the basehref?
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04:32 < v-dogg> huomenta
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05:13 < _cheerios> huomenta
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07:03 < _cheerios> http://blog.adaniels.nl/articles/how-i-php-using-defaults-for-input-arguments/
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07:38 < E_mE> huomenta!
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07:44 < marklar|omni> zomg
07:44 < marklar|omni> d700 announced
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07:51 < _cheerios> a mere $3000? :)
07:52 < marklar|omni> for a ff d3 equiv?
07:52 < marklar|omni> thats cheap
07:52 < marklar|omni> and I'm a canon guy
07:52 < marklar|omni> heh
07:52 < marklar|omni> anyway, want. :(
07:53 < marklar|omni> weird part is the builtin flash
07:55 < _cheerios> http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/digitalcamera/slr/d700/sample.htm
07:55 < _cheerios> that's nice detail, checking the originals
07:55 < marklar|omni> url is bork for me
07:55 < marklar|omni> ah there
07:55 < marklar|omni> why does the pagetitle say "d300 sample images"
07:56 < marklar|omni> template copypasta :<
07:57 < _cheerios> starting to see too much hair on the human face at this res :D:D
07:57 < marklar|omni> yea, heh
07:58 < marklar|omni> I liked the focus in the park pic
07:59 < marklar|omni> tilt indicator ftw
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08:03 < impl> MikeSeth: branch kthx
08:04 < impl> MikeSeth: and yes :>
08:19 < MikeSeth> impl: oh hai
08:19 < MikeSeth> also huomental minna-san
08:20 < MikeSeth> impl: it would be nice to split the build file into a number of included files
08:20 < MikeSeth> impl: also the top level tasks should be broken apart into basic and advanced
08:20 < MikeSeth> you don't want people to do ``agavi help'' and get thirty foo-bar-cat-fish type instructions
08:22 < E_mE> break it up into sub-helps id say
08:23 < E_mE> so agavi help module shows all sub options?
08:24 < Wombert> omnom
08:24 < Wombert> yeah sounds like a good idea E_mE 
08:25 < impl> MikeSeth: basic and advanced?
08:25 < impl> MikeSeth: it depends on whether I can get phing to behave
08:25 < impl> it doesn't like it when I separate things
08:26 < E_mE> thanks Wombert :)
08:26 < impl> E_mE: it's not feasible because phing takes all arguments as separate targets
08:27 < impl> although I guess the frontend could override that behavior ... somehow, maybe :
08:27 < impl> :\
08:27 < Wombert> yeah lame phin
08:27 < Wombert> was thinking the same impl 
08:27 < Wombert> but that would be ugly hax rite?
08:27 < impl> It's already ugly hax
08:28 < MikeSeth> frankly
08:28 < MikeSeth> phing is just bad :>
08:29 < impl> http://xomios.transtruct.org/hg/file/6e633a44d57a/util/conductor/ http://xomios.transtruct.org/hg/file/6e633a44d57a/build.conduct
08:29 < impl> :<
08:29 < v-dogg> should we drop it? phing is not bad for build scripts but what we need is somewhat complex UI logic
08:30 < impl> v-dogg: the problem, of course, is that we need something to replace it with
08:30 < impl> and also that I don't feel like rewriting this stuff really
08:30 < MikeSeth> yeah the new buildscript > old buildscript
08:30 < MikeSeth> impl: the whole of it is in build.xml now right?
08:31 < impl> MikeSeth: yeah
08:32 < v-dogg> what about a separate frontend (written in php)?
08:32 < impl> that does what? :s
08:33 < v-dogg> which would utilize existing phing stuff but with better UI 
08:34 < impl> yuck :(
08:34 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: the idea of PHP UI for CLI/GUI freaks me out
08:34 < MikeSeth> srsly
08:34 < E_mE> v-dogg: like a PHP entry script which calls phing scripts?
08:34 < v-dogg> E_mE: yes
08:35 < E_mE> but the php enttry srcript can be customised  to agavi specs
08:35 < impl> it's not pretty to do that
08:35 < MikeSeth> no it aint
08:35 < MikeSeth> heh
08:35 < E_mE> :) 
08:36 < v-dogg> of course it's not but like said, phing doesn't handle modularity too well
08:36 < v-dogg> nor UI
08:37 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: what would you suggest? I don't think we want anymore dependencies so PHP (+bat/sh) is all we have IMO
08:39 < v-dogg> impl: I realize it might be too late for this discussion and I'm truly sorry I haven't had the time to participate earlier :(
08:40 < impl> well
08:40 < impl> mh
08:40 < impl> I mean, I'm not opposed to dropping it and making it better, but I need something to replace it with
08:40 < v-dogg> yup
08:41 < v-dogg> and all options suck :)
08:41 < impl> OTOH, I added some nice features that allows you to have automatically-imported project-specific build.xml files as well as the ability to add listeners (in build.xml) that can wait for changes on targets, tasks, and output messages
08:43 < impl> maybe that's sufficient, dunno
08:53  * Wombert shudders
08:53 < Wombert> srsly
08:53 < Wombert> the new one
08:53 < Wombert> > old one
08:53 < Wombert> impl just rewrote it :p
08:53 < Wombert> I think it's a vast improvement over what we have atm
08:54 < marklar|omni> needs more cowbell
08:55 < impl> D:
08:55 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: I say stick with the command line interface for 1.0
08:56 < MikeSeth> the buildfile itself can be cut up into parts
08:56 < MikeSeth> other than this no problem imo
08:56 < impl> only if phing allows me to do this
08:57 < impl> maybe, ideally, in the future we have the entire thing done as an Agavi application
08:57 < MikeSeth> (though srsly I hate Propel style tasks like project-defenestrate-leverage-synergy etc)
08:57 < impl> that would be neat
08:58 < impl> then we could have a Web interface for managing projects too and stuff
08:58 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: and the php frontend I talked about would be just that - a command line interface for phing scripts. and in the future we/someone could write whatever interfaces for those scripts
08:58 < MikeSeth> impl: could be a module in the stock app
08:58 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: yeah, possible, though I am not sure php is the best platform for this kind of task
08:59 < impl> MikeSeth: I dunno, don't really want to mix that with real user-code I don't think
08:59 < v-dogg> it's definitely not the best option but what other options do we have?
09:01 < impl> I think we will see how this one goes and if it doesn't work well for the end-users, we'll deal with it then
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09:22 < Wombert> +1
09:22 < Wombert> commit commit commit :>
09:22 < MikeSeth> wat
09:24 < impl> it isn't done yet :<
09:24 < v-dogg> stachu: you asked something yesterday but left before I got to answer. what did you ask?-)
09:25 < v-dogg> ah, APC
09:26 < v-dogg> 20:01 < stachu> could you tell me something about it, how to use it, what cache?\ etc\
09:27 < v-dogg> you install and configure it (installation help can be found from the source tar ball)) 
09:28 < CIA-5> david * r2548 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/exception/templates/shiny.php): Fixed #791: Markup is escaped by accident in shiny exception template
09:34 < Wombert> guys
09:34 < Wombert> in exception pages
09:34 < Wombert> I just fixed it so that it will show the throw new ... line at the top
09:34 < Wombert> always
09:34 < Wombert> now the question is
09:35 < Wombert> should it show the second entry by default?
09:35 < Wombert> that's more useful than the throw... part, right?
09:37  * Wombert pokes v-dogg and MikeSeth 
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09:44  * ttj pokes Wombert 
09:44 < CIA-5> david * r2549 /branches/0.11/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix #790: Exception templates incorrectly fix information about exception origin
09:44 < Wombert> ohai ttj 
09:44 < Wombert> sup
09:44 < ttj> Not much, but I demand coffee mugs! :P
09:44 < ttj> You?
09:46 < impl> MUGS :O
09:49 < MikeSeth> http://www.reddit.com/info/6pllz/comments/c04j9zp
09:50 < impl> kekeke
09:50 < stachu> v-dogg: so apc will just speed up my app (includes will work faster), and these functions in manual are only add-ons?
09:51 < stachu> im using agavi cache and my first thought was that i have to rewrite this cache system to support these functions
09:52 < impl> http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Lolhymns#Amazing_Grace
09:52 < impl> this is awesome
09:53 < CIA-5> david * r2550 /trunk/ (24 files in 15 dirs): merge [2519:2549/branches/0.11]
10:01 < CIA-5> david * r2551 /trunk/tests2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed tests
10:07 < CIA-5> david * r2552 /branches/impl-build_system/ (25 files in 16 dirs): merge [2513:2551/trunk]
10:08 < CIA-5> david * r2553 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/ (25 files in 16 dirs): merge [2512:2551/trunk]
10:09 < CIA-5> david * r2554 /branches/david-system_action_refactoring/ (25 files in 16 dirs): merge [2514#:2551/trunk]
10:10 < CIA-5> david * r2555 /branches/david-stampede_protection/ (25 files in 16 dirs): merge [2511:2549/branches/0.11]
10:11 < Wombert> I'm in ur branchez syncing your codez kthx
10:12 < impl> ohai thx
10:14 < Wombert> so
10:14 < Wombert> who tested rc1 yet
10:14  * Wombert smacks MikeSeth 
10:14  * Wombert smacks v-dogg 
10:14  * Wombert smacks marklar|omni 
10:14  * Wombert smacks ttj 
10:14  * Wombert smacks E_mE 
10:14  * ttj dodges.
10:15 < E_mE> ill test it this evening with dnbnoize Wombert :) promise :)
10:15 < E_mE> not had much time sorry :'(
10:15 < MerlinDMC> Wombert, played with it at the WE ... but not very komplex cases :P
10:16 < Wombert> mostly concerned about people on 0.11.1... just to be sure 0.11.2 doesn't break anything
10:20 < _cheerios> moved to 0.11/r2547 earlier today, nothing came up (bar app/cache required manual cleanup).
10:21 < _cheerios> iow, the usual.
10:22 < Wombert> :>
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10:24 < LBO_> huomenta
10:24 < E_mE> oh today will be ny first attempt at merging in svn... oh the worrys :)
10:24 < LBO_> how Agavi works when "use_routing" is off?
10:25 < Wombert> what do you want to do, LBO_ 
10:25 < LBO_> is it just rewrite off?
10:25 < LBO_> nothing, I just want to know :D
10:25 < impl> ?module=Foo&action=Bar&param1=baz&param2=quux
10:25 < Wombert> the rewrite is just for removing index.php
10:26 < LBO_> thank u 
10:27 < LBO_> how can i generate url then?
10:27 < LBO_> hardcode? or pass an array of module, action and params?
10:27 < LBO_> to $ro-gen?
10:28 < Wombert> no it still generates a url for you
10:28 < Wombert> you can still have a routing.xml with normal urls
10:29 < Wombert> but that's all lame
10:29 < Wombert> do not use it
10:29 < LBO_> no no, I wont... its just nice to know things like that
10:30 < Wombert> its a useless feature. really :>
10:33 < LBO_> I was curious
10:37 < LBO_> architecture of SecurityRbacUser is great :)
10:37 < LBO_> it was too easy to plug-in  reading credentials from database
10:37 < LBO_> adding credentials*
10:39 < LBO_> and roles too....
10:40 < LBO_> now my security user uses read its roles and additional credentails (like blog.post.update.{someidentifier}) from DB
10:40 < LBO_> and it works perfect
10:41 < impl> awesome :D
10:41 < LBO_> i mean, building things lik that in fws like cake, CI was messy
10:41 < v-dogg> Wombert: upgraded a project I'm working on yesterday
10:41 < v-dogg> no issues so far
10:41 < LBO_> impl: :P
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10:43 < Flukey> hey folks
10:43 < LBO_> i was wondering.. i found some task (google summer code) about building scafolding
10:44 < LBO_> how do u want to ahieve that if models are independent from their implementation (service, db)
10:45 < v-dogg> stachu: (sorry for the delayed answer) yup, apc is normally completely transparent. it caches and uses the "compiled" php code automatically
10:49 < v-dogg> Wombert: and another thing, I realized that autoload.xml is (of course) parsed after config.php so I can put AgaviConfig::set('my.components_path',...); in there and use that in my external autoload.xml (which is included via xinclude) 
10:49 < v-dogg> so cool :)
10:52 < Wombert> uh yeah
10:52 < Wombert> I said so yesterday :D
10:52 < Wombert> but I thought you didn't like that or something
10:53 < v-dogg> you did? sorry mate, I missed that :)
10:53 < Wombert> oh
10:53 < Wombert> I didn't
10:53 < Wombert> I just thought it
10:53 < Wombert> :>
10:53 < v-dogg> heh
10:54  * Wombert pets
10:54 < v-dogg> I want a blogging solutions that doesn't make my head hurt (and more time to actually write stuff) :/
10:55 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: when will you write tequila ;)
10:56 < E_mE> biiiii
10:57 < marklar|omni> ohai2u
10:58 < CIA-5> david * r2556 /branches/david-system_action_refactoring/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): refactoring part 1: set info into container attributes for some internal forwards, check for core.available in AgaviController::dispatch(), not AgaviExecutionContainer::execute(), refs #769
10:59 < Wombert> lunch
10:59  * Wombert &
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10:59 < stachu> so what is better eAccelerator or apc?
11:00 < marklar|omni> Tomeika Broussard thought it was so absurd when she overheard her supervisor refer to her as a "reggin" that she just laughed. Then she realized it was the n-word spelled backward 
11:00 < marklar|omni> haaha
11:03 < v-dogg> stachu: APC used to be more stable (I hear). not sure what the situation is nowadays
11:04 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: actually I am going to write a tutorial
11:04 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: Wombert hireds me to do that
11:04 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: it'll be building an Agavi blog app :>
11:08 < _cheerios> nothing like a nearby firealarm to stay awake. can't see no smoke anywhere, tho.
11:10 < _cheerios> MikeSeth: is there a deadline? :)
11:10 < MikeSeth> dog bless
11:10 < marklar|omni> haimaik
11:10 < MikeSeth> ohai
11:15 < marklar|omni> sup
11:16 < MikeSeth> belliful o'meat
11:17 < marklar|omni> samehear
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11:24 < marklar|omni> 300g burgarrrrrrr
11:27 < v-dogg> I need find a manual writing tool for my non-technical colleague... easy to use, easy to publish (web + printer), easy internal linking, easy everything... 
11:27 < v-dogg> BAH
11:29 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: were you working on some DITA system?
11:32 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: I am
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11:38 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: is it some wysiwyg kinda thing or community app or what?
11:38 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: it's a documentation format like docbook
11:38 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: there are some tools to edit it WYSIWYG
11:39 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: and there's a number of interactive applications for dita editing online
11:39 < MikeSeth> Wombert: give him sum linkz
11:39 < Wombert> dita is like a modular docbook
11:39 < Wombert> xmlmind has support, apparently
11:39 < v-dogg> sure sure sure, I know what DITA is
11:40 < v-dogg> but the system you guys are building
11:40 < MikeSeth> im not building a system
11:40 < v-dogg> ah
11:40 < MikeSeth> im just writing dox
11:40 < v-dogg> roger
11:43 < Wombert> we will build a system eventually
11:43 < Wombert> btw
11:43 < Wombert> xmlmind has wysiwyg, mike
11:43 < Wombert> just checked
11:45 < MikeSeth> Wombert: for a local document, yes
11:46 < MikeSeth> but you cant render it in context of a buildscript and external configuration/documents
11:46 < Wombert> http://www.ditausers.org/tutorials/ ftw
11:46 < MikeSeth> ya
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11:49 < marklar|omni> lolez
11:49 < v-dogg> just need a suitable tool for my colleague
11:50 < Wombert> adobe fa
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11:50 < Wombert> ramemaker
11:50 < Wombert> :p
11:50 < v-dogg> ugh...
11:50 < v-dogg> don't know what it is like nowadays but some old version we have is hideous
12:03 < marklar|omni> heh
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12:09 < impl> v-dogg: notepad :>
12:10 < v-dogg> no, not for this guy :)
12:10 < v-dogg> he used to write manuals with power point :)
12:10 < impl> D:
12:10 < impl> That's bad :<
12:11 < Wombert> lulz
12:11 < v-dogg> but not uncommon
12:11 < v-dogg> sadly
12:13 < marklar|omni> heh
12:13 < marklar|omni> it's better than no manuals at all
12:15 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: I hope the cops don't find his body
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13:10 < erisco> I am still having that base href problem... anyone have ideas?
13:12 < marklar|omni> http://www.reddit.com/info/6pp4f/comments/ 
13:12 < marklar|omni> wtf
13:12 < erisco> marklar|omni, I don't want to impede, but do you know how to configure the base href in the routing?
13:13 < MikeSeth> erisco: <base href="<?php print $ro->getBaseHref(); ?>"/>
13:13 < erisco> MikeSeth, I know, and that is returning the wrong base href
13:13 < erisco> so is there any place I can set it?
13:13 < erisco> IMO its a bug that it is not detecting it properly
13:13 < impl> It should be automagically determined
13:14 < erisco> I am working with rewriting, as that looks nicer
13:14 < erisco> when I go to http://localhost/project/pub/ the base href is /project/pub/ which is fine
13:14 < erisco> when I go to http://localhost/project/pub/foo the base href is http://localhost/
13:15 < erisco> which breaks everything
13:15 < impl> o_O
13:15 < v-dogg> what's your RewriteBase (.htaccess)?
13:16 < MikeSeth> erisco: "wrong"?
13:16 < MikeSeth> uh wait
13:16 < MikeSeth> what
13:16 < marklar|omni> yea wtf
13:16 < MikeSeth> erisco: plz check RewriteBase in .htaccess kth
13:16 < MikeSeth> x
13:16 < MikeSeth> erisco: your first case is wrong
13:16 < MikeSeth> not the last one
13:17 < erisco> MikeSeth, the first case is actually http://localhost/project/pub/
13:17 < v-dogg> or not
13:17 < v-dogg> yeah
13:17 < erisco> MikeSeth, I just got lazy
13:17 < erisco> 	RewriteBase /project/pub/
13:18 < impl> Are you using some funny SAPI or Webserver?
13:18 < erisco> just apache2
13:18 < erisco> do you want to me pastebin a dump of the $_SERVER array?
13:18 < impl> yeah... from /project/pub and /project/pub/foo if you can
13:19 < MikeSeth> erisco: 1) check if there's an .htaccess in /project/ (above pub/) 2) put some garbage in pub/.htaccess and try opening pub/foo - an error 500 must appear, if it doesnt then your .htaccess isnt being read
13:19 < erisco> MikeSeth, I am not using htaccess
13:20 < erisco> MikeSeth, I am using the proper internal configuration
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13:20 < Xylakant> huomenta
13:20 < impl> oh hai
13:21 < Xylakant> anyone time for a routing question?
13:21 < MikeSeth> erisco: then why do you have pub/?
13:21 < MikeSeth> erisco: alias /project /project/pub, RewriteBase /
13:21 < impl> Xylakant: dunno, ask :<
13:22 < MikeSeth> erisco: also do note, moving RewriteRule directives from .htaccess to server config does not work - they require manual adjustment
13:22 < erisco> MikeSeth, according to apache's docs they should be identical
13:22 < v-dogg> no, you need extra stuff
13:22 < erisco> MikeSeth, and if I was a whizz at apache2 configuration, which I'm not, I'd know how to alias that :P
13:22 < MikeSeth> erisco: no, IIRC they differ in preceding slash
13:22 < MikeSeth> lemme fetch you a sample conf
13:23 < MikeSeth> Alias /speedcash /home/yossi/public_html/speedcash/pub
13:23 < MikeSeth> <Location /speedcash> SetEnv AUTOBONUS_ENVIRONMENT development
13:23 < MikeSeth> </Location>
13:24 < Xylakant> ok, I have routes that set the output type depending on how the url ends
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13:24 < MikeSeth> then of course RewriteBase becomes /
13:24 < Xylakant> like that: http://pastie.org/225502
13:24 < impl> okay
13:26 < Xylakant> and I want routing::gen() to always add the html route, so that all urls end with '.html'
13:26 < erisco> did I ever mention how much I hate rewriting and apache config in general?
13:26 < erisco> it never, ever, ever works for me
13:26 < impl> Xylakant: without having to do blah+html?
13:26 < erisco> right now I am getting infinite redirect loops... sigh
13:26 < Xylakant> yes
13:27 < impl> hmm
13:27 < Xylakant> unless any of the other routes are specified - so when I do 'blah+xml', I don't want the .html in the end...
13:27 < v-dogg> erisco: you can get routing to work without .htaccess but I can't find the example now
13:27 < erisco> MikeSeth, if the rewrite base becomes / then it says index.php cannot be found
13:27 < erisco> MikeSeth, the base has to be /project/pub/
13:28 < erisco> v-dogg, htaccess or not, I cannot cooperate with rewriting
13:28 < Xylakant> it's easy to always add '.html' unconditionally - by setting 'imply="true"', but that does unconditionally add the '.html', whether another output-type was set or not
13:29 < v-dogg> erisco: but how can you access project/pub/foo without rewriting?
13:29 < Flukey> so tired :(
13:29 < v-dogg> erisco: http://www.agavi.org/docs/HEAD/manuals/cookbook/ch02s01.html#id928578
13:29 < erisco> v-dogg, I can't... what are you saying?
13:30 < v-dogg> see Tip
13:30 < erisco> what is happening now is the index.php file is found but the rewriting apparently does not believe it is a file and redirects again
13:30 < v-dogg> erisco: ah, I thought "I cannot cooperate with rewriting" meant I don't use rewriting
13:30 < erisco> back to the index.php
13:30 < erisco> it uses me :(
13:30 < impl> Xylakant: I'm wondering whether that would introduce some sort of non-determinance where it's impossible to tell what other routes should be added if there is an output_type or not
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13:32 < erisco> aren't the -d and -f things contained in another module?
13:32 < erisco> maybe there is something I do not have enabled
13:32 < v-dogg> erisco: you should probably just use .htaccess and learn apache configs later :)
13:32 < erisco> v-dogg, its the exact same thing
13:33 < v-dogg> did you read the manual section (or at least the tip in it) I just pasted?
13:35 < _cheerios> marklar|omni: d700 questions; it's DX (not FF) and the same sensor is in... D300, right?
13:35 < erisco> v-dogg, I am still getting infinite redirects :(
13:35 < v-dogg> can you paste you vhost config, please
13:37 < erisco> v-dogg, http://pastey.net/90330
13:37 < Xylakant> Impl: I wouldn't be passing an output type but a route. Anyways - Wombert says: doesn't work :(
13:37 < impl> oh well :
13:37 < impl> :\
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13:39 < erisco> it would be so convenient if I knew what {DOCUMENT_ROOT}%{REQUEST_FILENAME} actually evaluated to
13:39 < erisco> otherwise I am just guessing
13:39 < CIA-5> impl * r2557 /branches/impl-build_system/ (25 files in 12 dirs): 
13:39 < CIA-5> branches/impl-build_system (refs #689):
13:39 < CIA-5> - Add `agavi` script
13:39 < CIA-5> - Bugfixes
13:39 < CIA-5> - Rework how project-specific build.xml files are imported
13:39 < CIA-5> - Add custom build logger for phing
13:39 < CIA-5> - Add public-web-create for creating the pub/ directory with Web content
13:39 < v-dogg> erisco: "THIS IS THE ONLY SETTING YOU SHOULD HAVE TO CHANGE" above RewriteBase...
13:39 < v-dogg> I think you should follow that :)
13:39 < erisco> v-dogg, yeah?
13:40 < erisco> v-dogg, the tip said to not use rewritebase
13:40 < impl> the new build system prompts you for it
13:40 < impl> :>
13:40 < erisco> v-dogg, so I took it out
13:40 < erisco> "You cannot use a RewriteBase, so you have to use the full relative path in the rewrite rules and destinations, including the leading slash."
13:40 < v-dogg> oh, sorry
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13:40 < impl> we have tips? D:
13:41 < impl> MikeSeth: for yuo, I added a script
13:41 < impl> build/script/agavi
13:41  * v-dogg smacks impl with http://www.agavi.org/docs/HEAD/manuals/cookbook/ch02s01.html#id928578
13:42 < impl> you can also symlink the script in your project directory and it will know the project directory no matter where that script is called
13:42 < impl> no added configuration :~
13:42 < MikeSeth> impl: you are winner
13:42 < v-dogg> erisco: maybe that only works inside <VirtualHost>. dunno, I'm no Apache expert
13:43 < erisco> v-dogg, and I use the RFC2119 definition for should ;)
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13:44 < _cheerios> i dont use apache anymore, but i had this old config around http://pastie.org/225514
13:44 < v-dogg> erisco: and are you sure that Alias /project doesn't mess things up?
13:44 < erisco> _cheerios, hows the ORM going? you releasing anything?
13:44 < erisco> v-dogg, I am sure of nothing
13:44 < CIA-5> impl * r2558 /branches/impl-build_system/build/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Adding svn:keywords Id for new files
13:44 < erisco> v-dogg, its all voodoo and witchcraft to me
13:45 < _cheerios> i don't know myself :)
13:45 < _cheerios> added new functionality today, but havent got to clean the core
13:46 < v-dogg> erisco: got to go, hope you figure it out
13:46 < v-dogg> home ->
13:47 < erisco> v-dogg, thanks
13:47 < erisco> man, any time that the route starts working I only get infinite redirects
13:47 < erisco> something is wrong with RewriteCond %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}%{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
13:48 < erisco> what module does it take to get -f to work?
13:48 < impl> ?
13:48 < _cheerios> it all comes with mod_rewrite
13:48 < erisco> perhaps it is not enabled... or perhaps %{DOCUMENT_ROOT}%{REQUEST_FILENAME} is evaluating to the wrong thing
13:48 < erisco> how do I test that?
13:48 < _cheerios> that's just some of the syntax it uses, google up apache + mod_rewrite for docs
13:48 < erisco> I remember reading -f and -d were contained in a different module, but perhaps not
13:49 < _cheerios> Xylakant: how's mtv
13:50 < erisco> is it even possible to debug somewhere what those variables evaluate to?
13:50 < erisco> obviously they are wrong, and I need to find out how
13:51 < impl> I usually do stuff like RewriteRule /test /foo?%{DOCUMENT_ROOT} [R]
13:51 < impl> which is gay, but it works
13:51 < _cheerios> setenv leet_debug_var %{DOCUMENT_ROOT} ? :)
13:51 < impl> _cheerios: do those work outside of Rewrite*?
13:52 < erisco> I cannot get a script to load, though
13:52 < erisco> I cannot get the rewriting to work
13:52 < impl> erisco: doesn't matter, you just need to see what it is
13:52 < impl> [R] redirects
13:52 < impl> so it'll show up in your address bar
13:52 < impl> :x
13:52 < erisco> okay...
13:52 < impl> or you can try the setenv and use a simple script to print it out
13:53 < erisco> well like I said a script won't work righ tnow
13:54 < _cheerios> impl: *shrug* trying to help the anti-doc guy :)
13:55 < erisco> impl, that is working
13:55 < impl> erisco: and is it right?
13:55 < erisco> no
13:55 < erisco> the request filename already included the document root
13:56 < impl> well that solves your problem then ;p
13:56 < erisco> but I am STILL getting infinite redirects
13:56 < erisco> GOD I HATE APACHE.
13:56 < erisco> nothing gets me more frustrated
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13:58 < erisco> I even wrote in the condition     		RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !^/home/eric/Desktop/www/project/pub/index.php$
13:58 < erisco> AND IT STILL REDIRECTS
13:58 < impl> lol
13:58 < impl> I don't think you can do that
13:59 < erisco> why not?
13:59 < impl> wait
13:59 < impl> oh cool
13:59 < impl> :>
14:00 < impl> erisco: pastebin your entire <VirtualHost> or whatever
14:00 < impl> let me see what you have done
14:02 < erisco> omfg -.-
14:02 < erisco> okay, posting
14:03 < erisco> http://pastie.org/225525
14:03 < erisco> %{REQUEST_FILENAME} is a directory!!
14:03 < erisco> why does it rewrite!!
14:04 < impl> eh
14:04 < erisco> these things are so impossible to debug. it drives me CRAZY.
14:04 < impl> RewriteRule ^/project/pub$ /project/pub/index.php?/ [QSA,L]
14:04 < impl> RewriteRule ^/project/pub/(.*) /project/pub/index.php?/$1 [QSA,L]
14:05 < erisco> that doesn't make any sense though
14:05 < impl> yes it does
14:05 < impl> you don't have a RewriteBase
14:05 < erisco> why would I match things starting with /project/pub?
14:05 < erisco> only /project appears in the url
14:06 < impl> err, you shouldn't have your directory structure like that then
14:06 < erisco> and what does it matter what index.php actually gets?
14:06 < erisco> index.php isn't getting anything right now because it keeps redirecting. if index.php is getting the wrong information that is another issue...
14:07 < impl>         Alias /project /home/eric/Desktop/www/project/pub
14:07 < impl> wait
14:07 < impl> are you aliasing a directory to a sub-directory of the alias?
14:07 < impl> because /that/ doesn't make any sense
14:07 < erisco> I don't understand what you are saying
14:08 < impl> You are setting an alias for /project to a subdirectory of /project
14:08 < erisco>  /project in the url is mapped to /project/pub/
14:08 < erisco> impl, yes, as v-dogg I believe said
14:08 < impl> yeah, but that's within the alias
14:08 < erisco> or MikeSeth rather
14:09 < erisco> I do not understand what you are saying impl 
14:09 < impl> /project is already a directory in the Webserver
14:09 < erisco> yes
14:09 < impl> so you're aliasing something to itself
14:09 < erisco> oh
14:10 < erisco> well where do I put it :s
14:10 < marklar|omni> in /fail
14:10 < impl> You should just move your Agavi application out of www
14:12 < erisco> impl, thanks, its working now ;)
14:12 < erisco> impl, actually that isn't the first time I aliased something to itself... sigh
14:12 < impl> no problem :>
14:12 < erisco> I am not webserver config compatible :s
14:12 < impl> lawl
14:14 < erisco> now to get on with using agavi
14:15 < erisco> "ADD: Add support for native doctrine model autoloading (#759) (David)"
14:15 < erisco> how do I take advantage of this?
14:16 < impl> it should just work
14:16 < impl> oh, hm
14:16 < impl> I C WUT U DID THAR
14:16 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/2537
14:16 < erisco> I looked it up in the ticket
14:16 < erisco> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/759
14:18 < MikeSeth> FUCK
14:18  * MikeSeth becomes pissed at Doctrine
14:18 < erisco> me too
14:18 < MikeSeth> Doctrine thinks it can tell me what to do and not to do in my code?
14:18 < MikeSeth> WELL FUCK YOU
14:18 < erisco> pear install http://pear.phpdoctrine.org/Doctrine-0.11.0      which is on their download page, doesn't work :s
14:19 < MikeSeth>     $pdo = $this->context->getDatabaseManager()->getDatabase()->getResource();
14:19 < MikeSeth>     $stmt = $pdo->query($sql);
14:19 < MikeSeth>     foreach ($stmt as $row)
14:19 < MikeSeth>       $results[] = $row;
14:19 < MikeSeth> hehehe
14:19 < MikeSeth> erisco: srsly?
14:19 < MikeSeth> tell jwage
14:19 < erisco> MikeSeth, seriously
14:19 < erisco> well I put it on #doctrine yesterday
14:19 < erisco>  *shrug* I will dialog jonwage then
14:20 < _cheerios> looks like youre really using doctrine to its limits there, mike ;)
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14:21 < kapitan> how to get view attributes in agavi filter
14:21 < Macen> haha MikeSeth :)
14:22 < MikeSeth> kapitan: you probably want the container attributes
14:22 < MikeSeth> kapitan: the container is passed as a parameter to the filter's execute method
14:23 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: I am. I need to form a player presence table that counts how many players are in every round, and since there are different types of players it involves subselects and self-referential joins
14:23 < MikeSeth> Doctrine is not your friend for this kinda stuff
14:23 < erisco> d'oh I thought the rewriting was working but turns out it was only because of my wacky browser cache
14:23 < erisco> I changed the file and everything broke again
14:23 < Wombert> from the container, kapitan 
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14:26 < _cheerios> all i read was "Doctrine is not your friend"
14:27 < kapitan> thanks i got it!
14:27 < erisco> restarting apache takes forever...
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14:28 < jonwage> erisco: hmm i guess it needs to be pear install pear.phpdoctrine.org/Doctrine-0.11.0
14:28 < jonwage> pear install http://pear.phpdoctrine.org/Doctrine-0.11.0 doesn't work
14:29 < erisco> jonwage, ah, okay I will try that
14:29 < erisco> I've got another apache config problem in the meantime...
14:29 < erisco> %{REQUEST_FILENAME} is /home/eric/Desktop/project/plant.png when it should be /home/eric/Desktop/project/pub/plant.png
14:29 < erisco> so therefore it is not finding any of the images
14:31 < erisco> jonwage, Package "pear.phpdoctrine.org/Doctrine-0.11.0" is not valid
14:31 < jonwage> hmm it worked for me
14:31 < jonwage> sudo pear install pear.phpdoctrine.org/Doctrine-0.11.0
14:32 < erisco> oh, the sudo did it, heh
14:32 < erisco> what a misleading error message. anyways, thanks
14:32 < jonwage> ya
14:32 < jonwage> weird
14:33 < erisco> oh, duh, my apache alias is wrong
14:33 < erisco> I need a break :s
14:33 < erisco> aliases are killing me today
14:35 < erisco> let's see if I can get away without having to restart apache in the next hour
14:45 < Xylakant> ok, bye all :)
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15:23 < erisco> should a module be used for each individual function of the site or is it more like symfony's applications?
15:24 < erisco> where you would just have a frontend module and backend module?
15:24 < stachu> hello 
15:24 < stachu> i heard that mtv.de is on agavi
15:24 < stachu> its true?
15:24 < stachu> is it true?
15:24 < erisco> for example in a simple blog site you have categories, articles, comments, and static pages. should all these concepts be in a single module?
15:24 < erisco> or should there be a Categories module, Comments module, Articles module, etc?
15:25 < erisco> and in that case should both the guest and administrative functions exist in the same module?
15:25 < erisco> because be it not that case I believe it should be a frontend and backend module
15:25 < erisco> and the individual aspects use the SubModule.ActionName scheme
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15:27 < erisco> there lacks a documentation for this
15:27 < impl> stachu: It's true
15:27 < MikeSeth> stachu: yes
15:27 < MikeSeth> ;>
15:28 < impl> % nc mtv.de 80 | grep 'X-Powered-By'
15:28 < impl> GET / HTTP/1.1
15:28 < impl> X-Powered-By: Agavi/1.0.0-dev on PHP/5.2.6-1~westend+etch1
15:28 < MikeSeth> apt-get install libwww-perl
15:28 < MikeSeth> :D
15:28 < impl> DO NOT WANT
15:29 < impl> I'm sure I could do it with links or something, but it's easier to just speak HTTP
15:31 < erisco> MikeSeth, where did you stick that generic Doctrine layout for agavi?
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15:33 < erisco> MikeSeth, do you remember that?
15:37 < MikeSeth> yes
15:37 < MikeSeth> but it's for doctrine 0.10
15:37 < MikeSeth> if you want to grab it
15:38 < MikeSeth> ZOMG
15:38 < MikeSeth> VICTOLY
15:38 < MikeSeth> http://laist.com/2008/06/30/california_to_legalize_weed_for_eve_1.php
15:39 < erisco> MikeSeth, nothing is that different between 0.10 and 0.11 is there?
15:40 < MikeSeth> erisco: well aside of 100+ bug fixes and a bunch of improvements
15:40 < MikeSeth> sec ill fetch you the link
15:40 < erisco> MikeSeth, I just wanted the layout, not the doctrine source code
15:40 < erisco> I pear'd it already
15:40 < erisco> I am currently hunting through the 1MB june IRC log for that link
15:40 < erisco> < MikeSeth> I made a plug-in for Doctrine sandbox
15:41 < erisco> I am getting close
15:41 < MikeSeth> http://www.mikeseth.com/agavi-doctrine-plugin.tgz
15:41 < erisco> http://mikeseth.com/agavi-doctrine-plugin.tgz
15:41 < erisco> dang, I just found it :P
15:42 < erisco> thanks MikeSeth
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15:46 < erisco> MikeSeth, you should throw in a database config for it as well
15:48 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: can you pick up xl/coek on teh way?
15:48 < marklar|omni> someone drank the last xl
15:48 < marklar|omni> :(
15:50 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: it was there in the fridge in the morning you nigger
15:50 < MikeSeth> erisco: there's a sample database config
15:50 < marklar|omni> and its not here
15:50 < MikeSeth> erisco: plz2see readme
15:50 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: of course it isnt, you left and I drank it
15:50 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: I'm taking a cab nao
15:51 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: so I'll ask the driver 
15:51 < marklar|omni> 0oa
15:51 < marklar|omni> k
15:51 < marklar|omni> thx
15:51 < marklar|omni> <3
15:51 < marklar|omni> I raep nao
15:52 < marklar|omni> i haz tf2 addiction :(
15:55 < erisco> MikeSeth, know any docs for how to design modules?
15:56 < erisco> MikeSeth, with the ability to just have sub modules it is confusing as to what deserves to be its own module
15:59 < stachu> cause im writing bigger app in agavi and im thinking if is it good idea
15:59 < stachu> it cant be slow
15:59 < erisco> stachu, agavi isn't slow
15:59 < erisco> agavi + Doctrine + apc and you're flying at 100 rps
16:00 < stachu> but i have friends who are wiriting huge applications in php without OOP
16:00 < stachu> it stupid, isnt it?
16:00 < stachu> its
16:00 < erisco> OOP is just a style
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16:01 < erisco> big applications doesn't mean OOP is required
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16:01 < stachu> 4 people working on php project written without framework?
16:01 < stachu> is it good idea?
16:01 < erisco> surely there are guidelines though?
16:02 < erisco> aimlessly coding is a bad idea, yes
16:03 < stachu> im a little bit scared becouse i have written store in agavi and in localhost its working fine
16:03 < stachu> but i dont know what will be on server
16:04 < erisco> you do not know your production environment?
16:06 < stachu> not yet but company will buy new i think if there will be some problems
16:06 < stachu> its my first bigger app
16:06 < erisco> ideally your development environment is a clone of your production environment
16:06 < stachu> im reading a lot of articles about optimalizating servers and php :)
16:07 < erisco> then there aren't any guesses
16:07 < erisco> premature optimization is a bad idea
16:07 < erisco> how many visitors are you expecting per day?
16:08 < stachu> 10 000 per day?
16:08 < stachu> is it a lot?
16:08 < erisco> no
16:08 < stachu> uff
16:09 < stachu> product table 70 000
16:09 < erisco> think about it. 10000 in 24 hours. so we divide by 24, which is 415 people per hour. then divide by 60 for minutes and 60 for seconds...
16:09 < stachu> product_feature table approx 1 000 000
16:09 < erisco> taht is 0.1 people per second
16:09 < stachu> uniq
16:09 < erisco> or just 7 per minute
16:09 < stachu> 10 000 uniq per day
16:10 < erisco> now there may be busy times and non-busy times
16:10 < erisco> say at 5 is when we get 40% of all the people
16:10 < erisco> but that is something you will have to monitor
16:10 < stachu> have you evere used memcached?
16:10 < erisco> I use apc
16:11 < stachu> oh
16:11 < stachu> so its only alternative
16:11 < erisco> that is just what it is called
16:13 < stachu> thanks a lot for some info :)
16:13 < Macen> lol
16:13 < Macen> you didn't get an answer
16:14 < Macen> what's the answer :p
16:14 < erisco> Macen, what is the question?
16:14 < Macen> best practice for using MVC frameworks
16:15 < erisco> that's quite a vague question...
16:15 < erisco> maybe a more specific question is "how should an agavi module be used?" which is a question I have :P
16:16 < stachu> but are there some benchmarks how agavi perform in background of other frameworks
16:17 < erisco> stachu, it depends what you are doing, really, but agavi doesn't have much overhead
16:17 < erisco> stachu, I wouldn't be that concerned about 10k users per day unless you are expecting them within a couple hours
16:18 < erisco> and even then it'd probably be okay
16:18 < erisco> you can always add more servers later, right?
16:18 < stachu> i only wanted to know if 10 000 visits per day is a lot for agavi
16:18 < stachu> i know it depends on server
16:18 < stachu> but should i be worried about it
16:18 < stachu> yep
16:19 < erisco> stachu, I get 0.003 seconds on a poor benchmark environment for agavi serving up a static page
16:19 < Macen> where are the figure, what's the link.....................................
16:19 < erisco> stachu, additional overhead is ORM + database time primarily
16:19 < erisco> stachu, and in that I am loading up agavi plus doctrine, but using apc to save butt loads of time on doctrine
16:19 < Wombert> erisco: did you sort the rewrite stuff
16:20 < erisco> Wombert, yeah... with enough headaches :P
16:20 < Wombert> your rules were for virtualhosts
16:20 < Wombert> well
16:20 < Wombert> for using in vhost configs
16:20 < Wombert> not for use in .htaccess
16:20 < Wombert> :>
16:20 < erisco> Wombert, what I wanted to ask now is what modules should be treated as
16:20 < erisco> Wombert, are they like symfony applications? (are you familiar?)
16:20 < Wombert> kind of
16:21 < Wombert> some people have "public" and "admin" modules ;)
16:21 < erisco> well say in a blog I have posts, categories, and comments
16:21 < Wombert> others have one module for each big functionality
16:21 < stachu> i will test my app on Fujitsu Siemens Computers Hardware, AMD X2/64 5200+, 2.7 GHz, 2048MB RAM
16:21 < erisco> Wombert, yeah, in another project I used Public and Admin
16:21 < Wombert> me too
16:21 < Wombert> for a blog... hmm
16:21 < Wombert> I'd have... "blog", then "cms", then "admin", and other stuff
16:21 < Wombert> mind you you can nest actions
16:22 < stachu> i hope that will be anough
16:22 < Wombert> app/modules/Blog/actions/Postings/Posting/DeleteAction.class.php
16:22 < stachu> enaugh
16:22 < Wombert> it is, usually
16:22 < erisco> Wombert, yes, so nesting actions seems to serve as submodules
16:22 < Wombert> feel free to draft something up and show it around here
16:22 < Wombert> pretty much yes erisco 
16:23 < erisco> Wombert, I think I am satisfied with a Public and Admin then, as they are the two huge separations
16:23 < erisco> Wombert, if I had a single "Post" module it would contain both the public and admin functionality, and that seems wrong
16:24 < erisco> unless I just had, say Post.Public.View and Post.Admin.Edit, say
16:24 < erisco> which also works :P
16:25 < erisco> in agavi it would be organized as Admin.Post.Edit
16:26 < erisco> following the rest of the scheme, because for example each submodule doesn't get its own single directory, it gets directories inside of templates/, views/, actions/, etc
16:26 < Wombert> btw
16:26 < Wombert> :>
16:26 < Wombert> client-254-001:~ dzuelke$ wget -O - -q --save-headers http://bmw-web.tv/ | grep "X-Powered-By"
16:26 < Wombert> X-Powered-By: Agavi
16:26 < Macen> ehh
16:26 < Macen> +1 for public+admin same folder
16:27 < Macen> *module
16:27 < Macen> not folder
16:27 < Macen> maybe sub-folder
16:27 < Macen> sub-action..
16:27 < Macen> ..
16:27 < erisco> from a maintenance/management standpoint I am not sure if it is more likely to deal with "Post" as a whole, or just for example the Admin side of "Post"
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16:28 < Wombert> I wouldn't do modules for post, comment etc
16:28 < Macen> i think about extractability mostly
16:29 < erisco> Macen, this is true
16:29 < Macen> ya
16:30 < erisco> although I don't see myself needing to extract code like that
16:30 < Macen> well you see i do
16:30 < Macen> at least, the core
16:30 < erisco> although the idea of module is probably modular programming...
16:31 < erisco> nonetheless, a Post module is tied to models, and tied to templates
16:31 < erisco> just to outright rip a module from one project and plug it into another sounds like more than a copy and paste anyhow
16:31 < Wombert> it's not really realistic
16:32 < Wombert> other project uses different db/orm/blah
16:32 < Wombert> or templates
16:32 < Wombert> etc
16:32 < Wombert> it can be done, but don't expect plug-and-play ;)
16:32 < Wombert> I guess that's one of the unsolved problems of any framework
16:32 < Wombert> anyways
16:32 < Wombert> otoh, you might want to have all blog related funcitonality in one module, right?
16:32 < Macen> well the way i work atm is basically, the "module" is actually seperated into all the main "language" folders. like, includes/common/_mod_name_.php then includes/modules/_mod_name_/pages &  includes/modules/_mod_name_/filters  & includes/modules/_mod_name_/ajax - then includes/scripts_mod_name.js
16:32 < erisco> DI is the supposed solution
16:32 < Wombert> doubt you could, make, say, the comments feature flexible enough so that it can be used with any stuff, not just the blog
16:33 < Wombert> yeah likely, erisco 
16:33 < erisco> why doesn't agavi adopt a DI container?
16:34 < Macen> also it's kind of been fubar'ed a bit because i now have an extjs folder which outputs code from includes/common/extjs_addon
16:34 < Macen> but...
16:34 < Macen> it works
16:34 < erisco> agavi already uses the xml config files which are ideal for DI setup
16:35 < Wombert> :>
16:35 < Wombert> gotta run
16:35 < Wombert> laters guys
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16:35 < erisco> bye
16:35  * Macen waves
16:35 < Macen> i just hope agavi is web 2.0 friendly
16:35 < Macen> i don't know yet :)
16:35 < Macen> ajax etc this is all fine i hope...
16:35 < Macen> blah
16:36 < erisco> I believe so. if you check out the sample app it uses different web services
16:36 < erisco> thanks to context its all pretty intuitive
16:36 < Macen> overhead for an ajax call just seems pointless
16:36 < Macen> yea, cool
16:36 < erisco> ajax is cool in my opinion ;)
16:36 < Macen> kk
16:37 < erisco> I'm one for wanting to make web applications more like desktop applications
16:37 < Macen> ya, that's part of my spiel 
16:38 < Macen> see http://pa [spam] na [spam] z8.youds.com/app   
16:38 < Macen> coming along smoothly..
16:38 < Macen> extjs is fairly rocking
16:38 < Macen> wouldn't use it on front end though
16:39 < erisco> Macen, jQuery or prototype
16:39 < erisco> oh, extjs :P
16:40 < Macen> prototype..that was my first extjs framework :)
16:40 < Macen> ERR
16:40 < Macen> javascript*
16:40 < Macen> my first javascript framework*
16:40 < Macen> jQuery was too complex for me..
16:40 < erisco> do you find extjs the best for the GUI type of stuff then?
16:40 < erisco> jQuery is the only simple thing to me :s
16:40 < Macen> right click context menu's...
16:40 < Macen> single or double click grid functionality...
16:41 < Macen> dialog boxes pre-config'ed 
16:41 < Macen> grids....
16:41 < Macen> i'd say so
16:41 < erisco> I haven't looked into jQuery GUI, but I know they have great dialogue boxes
16:42 < Macen> prototype was useful but not a framework really
16:42 < Macen> just lots of short cuts
16:42 < Macen> mootools is worth a mention for their transitions
16:42 < Macen> and sexy code
16:42 < Macen> but yeh..
16:42 < Macen> extjs for admin deffo
16:45 < Macen> the key is, extract the extjs source and the examples fiolder, rename the "examples" folder to "plugins" (heh) and then use them as that
16:45 < Macen> because css is all relative and they use their own images folders, you literally have the "backend" in place by including the extjs file
16:46 < Macen> then you're flying..
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16:48 < Macen> heh
16:48 < Macen> possibly the best quick fix to get wow factor i've ever seen anyway
16:49 < Macen> their code is fugly however, so i have files that act as templates which get included before a load of vars are set (through a function)
16:49 < Macen> there are other drawbacks too
16:50 < Macen> *after
16:50  * Macen coffee
16:56  * Flukey sleep
16:58 < erisco> Macen, "rename the 'examples' folder to 'plugins'", lmao
17:01 < erisco> I can't wait until everything is USB
17:01 < erisco> won't need to open up a case ever again
17:02 < erisco> need another 2GB of ram? plug 'n play baby!
17:03 < erisco> complete idiots could modify their computers... and we wouldn't need to worry about interior case space
17:03 < erisco> or ventilation... everything is sufficiently self-contained and non-conflicting
17:04 < erisco> we wouldn't need to worry about those finicky connectors and hard to reach places
17:04 < erisco> which risks damaging components
17:05 < erisco> including something stupid (but not hard to do) like shocking and thus frying a component
17:05 < erisco> we have usb floppy drives, cd/dvd rom drives, tape drives, hard drives
17:06 < erisco> the extra lag time from the cable would be something to consider... but what about usb with fiber optics?
17:06 < erisco> now we are really talking
17:08 < erisco> in our computer we could have a mother board, onboard ram, and a CPU
17:08 < erisco> heck, maybe not even a cpu!
17:08 < erisco> usb cpu... heheh
17:09 < erisco> so speaking of web 2.0, I think we are ready for computer 2.0 ;)
17:11 < erisco> and, man, with a single interface there wouldn't be all those nit-picky requirements
17:13 < Macen> ha!!!forget that dude, i'm all for sharing knowledge but letting them do it themselves?!!! god forbid!!!
17:13 < Macen> nah i don't even know anyone who does web 2.0 successfully as it can be done in the entire north of england
17:13 < Macen> when i see someone doing it i may shut up about it tbh :p
17:14 < Macen> atm i'm "that guy who says you can" not "that guy who is doing"
17:14 < Macen> which is obviously not good
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17:50 < marklar|omni> heh
17:50 < marklar|omni> sekz.
18:03 < marklar|omni> anyone alive?
18:07 < marklar|omni> WAKE UP SHEEPLE
18:09  * Macen isn't anyone YOU HEAR
18:09 < Macen> so i going L:D
18:09 < Macen> harhar baiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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18:10 < marklar|omni> durrrrr
18:12 < marklar|omni> argh
18:25 < _cheerios> looking for tf2 playas? :)
18:26 < marklar|omni> nah
18:26 < marklar|omni> trying to find something to get as a present for self
18:26 < marklar|omni> birthday in 2wks
18:26 < marklar|omni> ;[
18:26 < marklar|omni> ideas?
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18:29 < _cheerios> tickets to vegas with loaded up mastercard
18:30 < marklar|omni> nah
18:30 < marklar|omni> can't fly till end of august
18:30 < marklar|omni> had a pneumothorax in feb
18:30 < marklar|omni> and I hate the us
18:30 < marklar|omni> anything else?
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18:33 < _cheerios> there's always next year
18:33 < _cheerios> im seeing that d700 everywhere today due ads
18:34 < marklar|omni> yeah
18:34 < marklar|omni> I don't want to get a new (way better) cam tho
18:34 < marklar|omni> because I'll abandon my other shit
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18:37 < Wombert> huomenta
18:37 < marklar|omni> hai2u
18:40 < marklar|omni> Wombert: hear?
18:40 < Wombert> eh?
18:40 < marklar|omni> 21:26 < marklar|omni> trying to find something to get as a present for self
18:40 < marklar|omni> 21:26 < marklar|omni> birthday in 2wks
18:40 < Wombert> howmuch
18:41 < marklar|omni> $500usd or so
18:41 < marklar|omni> something small
18:41 < impl> get an iPhone lolol
18:42 < marklar|omni> ugh fail
18:42 < marklar|omni> no
18:46 < _cheerios> it's cheap! you can get it for 1e in finland! that is, while paying a hundred euroes a month for the twenty-four month contract period.
18:48 < MikeSeth> Wombert: what else is going on in the trunk?
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18:49 < marklar|omni> heh
18:49 < marklar|omni> I hate apple
18:52 < marklar|omni> srsly guise, halp.
18:53 < MikeSeth> wat
18:53  * MikeSeth bothers Wombert 
18:54 < Wombert> uh well
18:54 < Wombert> loads of refactoring!?
18:54 < Wombert> why are you asking
18:54 < Wombert> btw skype as planned?
18:54 < Wombert> or push back a bit?
18:54  * Wombert has to eat
18:54 < Wombert> marklar|omni: ps3? :>
18:54 < E_mE[Stilgar> Wombert: chilli ;)
18:55 < marklar|omni> meah
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18:55 < marklar|omni> Wombert: neh
18:55 < MikeSeth> Wombert: can push imo
18:55 < MikeSeth> Wombert: dont you think text chat is more productive?
18:56 < erisco> gah I cannot bootstrap doctrine :s
18:57 < erisco> MikeSeth, you had written $dbm = $ctx->getDatabaseManager()->getDatabase()->getConnection()->connect();
18:57 < erisco> MikeSeth, $ctx->getDatabaseManager() is returning null
18:57 < erisco> MikeSeth, the configuration is in databases.xml though
18:58 < Wombert> settings.xml
18:58 < Wombert> use_database
18:59 < impl> IS BACK
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19:01 < erisco> Wombert, thanks
19:01 < Wombert> ohai
19:05 < _cheerios> MikeSeth: does wombie sound like arnold?
19:06 < impl> Wombert: what was the name of the beer we had tonight again?
19:07 < marklar|omni> waht
19:07 < marklar|omni> beer
19:07 < marklar|omni> want nao
19:08 < Wombert> Tegernseer Hell
19:08 < impl> nice, thanks
19:08 < Wombert> other good one is Augustiner
19:08 < impl> yar, I can remember that name :D
19:11 < erisco> I am going to put time into my site this summer
19:12 < erisco> when I start projects like that I always tend to want a site design first
19:12 < erisco> it seems more satisfactory to fill in the backend to something that looks good
19:12 < erisco> rather than build the backend and spit out a bunch of garble the whole time
19:13 < impl> I know what you mean :>
19:13 < marklar|omni> heh
19:13 < _cheerios> http://tinyurl.com/2vb346
19:13 < marklar|omni> I had a website that had an error_log() based output 
19:13 < marklar|omni> for weeks
19:14 < MikeSeth> bukiphperr.
19:14 < marklar|omni> haha yeah
19:14 < marklar|omni> design was bukitables
19:14 < MikeSeth> FUNNE = NO :<
19:14 < marklar|omni> noez
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19:21 < Whisller> hi
19:22 < marklar|omni> sup
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19:39 < erisco> I am trying to use the new native Doctrine model loading... doesn't seem to be working out for me very well
19:41 < erisco> http://pastey.net/90373
19:42 < erisco> both those paths should be valid... but I get errors saying none of the models were loaded :(
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19:44 < MikeSeth> erisco: is that from my template?
19:44 < erisco> MikeSeth, those paths?
19:44 < MikeSeth> yes
19:44 < MikeSeth> i have hacks there
19:44 < erisco> MikeSeth, yes, they correspond with your template
19:44 < MikeSeth> I think you need to apply a patch in agavi/
19:45 < MikeSeth> plz see readme
19:45 < erisco> what readme? :s
19:45 < MikeSeth> there's no readme in the template app?
19:45 < erisco> is there? lost the zip :P
19:45 < MikeSeth> duh there is
19:45 < MikeSeth> mikeseth.com/agavi-doctrine-plugin.tgz 
19:47 < _cheerios> http://boobsforbarack.com/
19:49 < erisco> MikeSeth, I don't know what that changed, but it may be working
19:51 < erisco> okay.. agavi seems to be running... doctrine seems to be running..
19:51 < erisco> time to start building the app
19:52 < E_mE[Stilgar> MikeSeth: what does your plugin do?
19:53 < erisco> E_mE[Stilgar, it provides a generic Doctrine setup with agavi
19:53 < erisco> E_mE[Stilgar, its a template, you merge it over top of your existing project
19:54 < erisco> hmm... maybe I should just grab an open source template and mix it up a bit
19:58 < E_mE[Stilgar> erisco: oh i just inserts all the required information for doctrine to work
19:58 < E_mE[Stilgar> very nice :)
20:02 < MikeSeth> E_mE[Stilgar: mine comes with doctrine cli
20:02 < MikeSeth> :D
20:03 < E_mE[Stilgar> yeah i noticed couple of CLI references, not used it yet my self
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20:04 < MikeSeth> well you better
20:04 < MikeSeth> i have a shell script that resets the database
20:05 < erisco> my site is known for my tic tac toe AI and my dynamic header images script
20:05 < erisco> in fact I have a few searches specifically looking for my script
20:05 < erisco> and the tic tac toe ones seem to be random people interested in tic tac toe AI
20:06 < erisco> php generate headers from fonts as images script
20:06 < erisco> I rank second there
20:06 < erisco> someone must have been pleased ;)
20:07 < MikeSeth> keekeke
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20:08 < erisco> is that a laugh or are you choking?
20:10 < MikeSeth> its the korean laugh
20:10 < MikeSeth> Wombert: dita toolkit is f'd up
20:10 < MikeSeth> trying to figure it out
20:11 < erisco> you know, I badly neglect my site
20:11 < erisco> for no reason either... I do actually want to maintain it. *shrug*
20:12 < erisco> first of all I have to come up with a new site design (and I am not a very good designer...)
20:12 < erisco> and then I have to get off of wordpress because I hate its guts
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20:14  * E_mE[Stilgar wished he could have 2 monitors so he could see errors as they happen ;)
20:14 < erisco> I much like the web 2.0 look but its not quite my personal style
20:14 < erisco> I wouldn't want something like cakephp's site as my personal site
20:14 < erisco> simple is good but boring isn't... its gotta have a bit of interest
20:15 < erisco> I hate little fonts, which is tough because bigger fonts don't look elegant
20:15 < erisco> people need to get off of the damn 800x600 resolutions
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20:15 < erisco> most sites I go to I have to ctrl++ the hell out of it before I can read it
20:16 < erisco> I can probably survive with just a two column site with a header and footer... yes...
20:16  * erisco goes away for a while to brainstorm
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20:55 < impl> Wombert: poek
21:00 < E_mE[Stilgar> evenin impl
21:01 < impl> hallo E_mE
21:02 < E_mE[Stilgar> do you see the game on sunday at the beer garden?
21:02 < impl> We went to the Olympiapark
21:02 < E_mE[Stilgar> whats that?
21:02 < impl> The Olympic Stadium thing
21:02 < impl> that they built in 1972 or something for the games
21:02 < E_mE[Stilgar> they have a big screen or so
21:03 < impl> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nfontes/sets/72157605922175360/ <-- I uploaded some pictures
21:03 < impl> the fourth one has a picture of the screen
21:04 < E_mE[Stilgar> haha being taking pictures of random girls =P
21:04 < impl> Well I was just walking past and then they looked up at me and did the peace sign
21:04 < impl> I could hardly /not/ take their picture
21:04 < impl> :>
21:04 < erisco> http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/26  "Hacked together for OSWD.org. I hope you enjoy my third design."  -- you mean there are two more of these?
21:05 < erisco> where's the decent free stuff when you need it?
21:05 < E_mE[Stilgar> hehehe
21:05 < impl> erisco: there's a few decent free designs on OSWD
21:05 < E_mE[Stilgar> seems very cool in the stadium
21:05 < erisco> http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/2879 http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/2963  http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/3173
21:05 < erisco> those all have things I like...
21:06 < Wombert> well it would have been cooler if we had won...
21:08 < erisco> I don't want to completely take a design though. hm
21:09 < erisco> mainly because I don't want some random credit link :P
21:11 < erisco> I think I like http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/2879 the best
21:11 < erisco> it achieves the best look with the least graphics
21:11 < erisco> now just to get a good colour scheme and I can roughly duplicate the layout...
21:11 < erisco> the blue is a bit too sister blue for my taste
21:13 < erisco> http://www.colorcombos.com/color-scheme-260.html
21:13 < erisco> looks good!
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21:15 < Wombert> too boring erisco 
21:15 < Wombert> the blue to the right
21:16 < Wombert> plus black
21:16 < Wombert> and a dark red
21:16 < Wombert> or an orange
21:16 < Wombert> or the blue and a brown and... mh... a white
21:16 < erisco> are you a designer?
21:16 < Wombert> no, I couldn't even draw a circle on a sheet of paper
21:16 < erisco> few can
21:16 < Wombert> but I'm not too useless with colorts
21:16 < Wombert> *colors
21:17 < impl> zomg, I had this one teacher
21:17 < erisco> yeah but it cannot just be some random color scheme that looks good
21:17 < impl> who could spin around or so while holding a piece of chalk and draw a perfect circle on the blackboard
21:17 < erisco> its gotta be something I like too
21:17 < erisco> impl, I saw such a teacher on college humour
21:17 < erisco> they use the radius of their arm
21:19 < erisco> http://www.colorsontheweb.com/colorschemes.asp   look for  "lebak"
21:19 < erisco> its got a nice green in there
21:19 < Wombert> try uhm
21:19 < Wombert> FA6E00
21:19 < Wombert> and
21:19 < Wombert> uhm
21:19 < Wombert> 3A3A3A
21:19 < Wombert> and
21:19 < Wombert> uhm
21:19 < impl> http://www.colourlovers.com/palette/440946/Just_An_Orgasm
21:19 < Wombert> 3E66AA
21:20 < erisco> impl, looks like old cakephp site colours
21:21 < Wombert> the caek is a lie
21:21  * Wombert pets portal
21:21 < impl> Wombert: now you can sing the song
21:21 < Wombert> :>>>>
21:21 < impl> erisco: what colors are you looking for, anyway?
21:22 < erisco> impl, blue/silver or green/grey
21:22 < erisco> Wombert, I don't agree with the orange... I'm not very graphical and I couldn't see using that orange in solid blocks very successfully
21:22 < Wombert> use it for accents
21:22 < Wombert> links or blah
21:23 < Wombert> just shades of blue gets old real quick
21:23 < Wombert> you need contrast
21:23 < Wombert> anyways
21:23 < Wombert> laters :>
21:23 < impl> http://www.colourlovers.com/palette/440261/for:elpasa01
21:23 < Wombert> much better
21:24 < Wombert> why worry bout the colors at this point anyway? :p
21:25 < impl> erisco: you can steal the ones from http://transtruct.org/ if you want (ignore the fact that the menu is in the middle of the content, plzkthx)
21:25 < Wombert> uh
21:25 < Wombert> impl: 
21:25 < Wombert> the menu is in the middle of the content I think
21:25 < Wombert> :>>
21:26  * impl slaps Wombert 
21:26 < Wombert> heh
21:26 < impl> Months ago I intended to move it from one place to another
21:26 < impl> so I got rid of half of the CSS and then got distracted
21:26 < impl> -> that result
21:26 < erisco> impl, I can handle monochromatic blue but not green
21:27 < erisco> I still like      99CC00	353535	4F4F4F	F2F3ED
21:27 < _cheerios> rewriting java classes? odd hobbies.
21:28 < Wombert> word
21:28 < erisco> what a coincidence, feebee is a light pink
21:29 < Wombert> heh
21:31 < E_mE[Stilgar> is there some math or theroy behind colours that math each other?
21:31 < Wombert> sure
21:31 < E_mE[Stilgar> match
21:32 < E_mE[Stilgar> i know that red and black aint friends hehe
21:32 < E_mE[Stilgar> and blue and black
21:33 < Wombert> http://www.colorschemer.com/schemes/
21:33 < E_mE[Stilgar> thanks
21:34 < E_mE[Stilgar> i cant believe there are websites for colour schemes
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21:46 < erisco> its been long enough that I forget how to float something
21:46 < erisco> wow
21:47 < erisco> E_mE[Stilgar, yeah, loads of em. kuler (by adobe) was the first I found
21:49 < erisco> oh, solved the floating problem. buggery thing
21:50 < erisco> buggery is not the word I was looking for
21:50 < erisco> buggy*
21:51 < _cheerios> aww.. watching trailers its so wrong to see the american release date just to find out the film comes 2mo later locally x_X the dvdrip should be out by then *gah*
21:56 < erisco> lipsum is the most useful thing given its simplicity in concept
21:59 < MikeSeth> impl: Wombert around?
21:59 < erisco> gah, changed my mind, don't like the green
21:59 < impl> MikeSeth: Wombert disappeared off somewhere, dunno
22:00 < erisco> its too nature-looking for me
22:00 < impl> doesn't sound like he's going to be around again tonight
22:00 < erisco> its sharp, but it isn't me
22:00 < MikeSeth> oh
22:02 < impl> MikeSeth: did you try anything like actually creating a usable project with the new buildsystem at all?
22:03 < impl> I'm not really sure it works at all
22:03 < impl> :>
22:03 < MikeSeth> impl: I just checked it out
22:03 < MikeSeth> impl: I mean from the repo
22:03 < impl> ah okay
22:03 < MikeSeth> havent played yet - trying to figure out why the dita toolkit doesnt render headers/footers
22:03 < MikeSeth> kinda makes me angry :>
22:03 < impl> oh noes
22:03 < impl> it's all Java isn't it, should be extensible and stuffs right?
22:04 < MikeSeth> well yes it should be
22:04 < MikeSeth> except when it doesnt do what the documentation says it should be doing
22:04 < impl> :(
22:05 < erisco> there, I picked a really boring blue and grey scheme
22:05 < erisco> I LOVE it :P
22:08 < impl> :<
22:08 < E_mE[Stilgar> nite nite
22:12 < impl> night, sir
22:15 < _cheerios> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHWmFkpondw big city lights o_O
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22:24 < MikeSeth> OH TREACHEROUS DITA
22:24 < MikeSeth> I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE
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23:03 < MiNiMEE> good morning!
23:04 < MikeSeth> you mean night
23:04 < MikeSeth> but hello!
23:05 < MiNiMEE> oh well, depends on which side of the globe u r ... have to admit that it's dark where i am at ... :D
23:06 < MikeSeth> indeed
23:07 < MiNiMEE> r u up for a question about routing ... still having a few problems with mtv.de
23:09 < MiNiMEE> mike?
23:10 < MikeSeth> um
23:10 < MikeSeth> i can try to help you
23:10 < MikeSeth> so sure, shoot
23:10 < MikeSeth> (mind you I am not a developer of mtv.de)
23:11 < MiNiMEE> ok, we have several things like "<route name="output_rss" pattern=".rss$" output_type="rss" cut="true" stop="false" />" in our routing, but want to add a ".html" rendering for all content, except the ones like .rss aso ...
23:13 < MiNiMEE> oh well ... i have to extend a few things for mtv.de, so we've decided to join this channel and post our questions here ... if u don't mind :D
23:14 < MiNiMEE> problem is, that we couldn't figure out a way to check for existing routes so that there won't be things like "/.../blabla.html.rss" ...
23:14 < MikeSeth> hmmmmm
23:15 < MikeSeth> *all* content?
23:15 < MiNiMEE> all regular content ... except rss and 3 or 4 defined ones
23:16 < MiNiMEE> <route name="output_acmxml" pattern=".acm.xml$" output_type="acmXml" cut="true" stop="false" />
23:16 < MiNiMEE> <route name="output_xml" pattern=".xml$" output_type="xml" cut="true" stop="false" />
23:16 < MiNiMEE> <route name="output_text" pattern=".txt$" output_type="text" cut="true" stop="false" />
23:16 < MiNiMEE> so three and the one for .rss ...
23:17 < MiNiMEE> it's no problem to append ".html" to any route, but when it comes to rendering everything WITH ".html" we are kind of stuck ...
23:18 < MiNiMEE> get the picture so far?
23:18 < impl> MiNiMEE: Felix asked the question earlier, I thought trying to do that would result in a situation where the outcome would not be possible to discern, and David said it just isn't possible
23:20 < MiNiMEE> hm ... grml ...
23:20 < MikeSeth> MiNiMEE: why would you want to do this anyway? If someone told you that you can improve SEO by adding .html, dont listen to them
23:21 < MikeSeth> also
23:21 < MikeSeth> DITA = pwned
23:21 < MiNiMEE> well ... that's exactly what's the problem
23:21 < MikeSeth> I can has custom designs!
23:21 < MikeSeth> MiNiMEE: what is?
23:21 < MiNiMEE> that some SEO guy said we have to append a .html to our URLs ... *don't ask*
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23:24 < MikeSeth> well your SEO guy doesnt know what he's talking about
23:24 < MikeSeth> either way
23:25 < MikeSeth> you do not want to do this for anything other than actual content
23:25 < MikeSeth> .xml and .txt and .rss shouldnt be changed - it simply makes no sense
23:25 < MiNiMEE> oh and since you were talking about SEO, anyone here that at least knows a fairly good portion of the google algorythm? i am asking because of H1 vs H2 aso.
23:25 < MikeSeth> no one knows anything
23:25 < MikeSeth> really
23:25 < MikeSeth> SEO people are mostly talking out of their ass
23:25 < MiNiMEE> *g*
23:26 < MikeSeth> and if your guy had any brains he'd know that changing thousands of URLs on a working site will cause much more damage to the ranking than improvement
23:26 < MikeSeth> especially on a site as big as MTV
23:27 < MikeSeth> I know this because I work with this kind of "SEO specialists" to this day, dog bless their wicked souls
23:28 < MiNiMEE> yeah ... one thing has to be changed thou ... our news reside under URI's like /article/1234567 ... and that URI is not exclusive for news, but other content too ... so there we will have to bend routing a little
23:28 < MiNiMEE> AMEN!
23:28 < MiNiMEE> *g*
23:29 < MiNiMEE> .. remember that /date/id/title thing from the other day?
23:33 < MiNiMEE> suggestion: what about including a URI.class.php so that lame false-SEO-freaks could have clean URLs enabled/disabled if they know nothing about the power of routing?
23:33 < MiNiMEE> i mean, including it in agavi ... in general
23:35 < MikeSeth> what would it do?
23:35 < MikeSeth> the current routing mechanism is powerful to do pretty much anything
23:38 < MiNiMEE> i don't know, simply just making it do those things ... i recently took a look into CodeIgniter wich does it via such a class ...
23:38 < MikeSeth> well, Agavi is designed for custom applications 
23:38 < MikeSeth> your approach is just one of many
23:39 < MikeSeth> besides
23:39 < MiNiMEE> i hope that mentioning CI won't result in a general "kick/ban/ignore" now :D
23:39 < MikeSeth> the XML configuration allows you to include other XML and apply stylesheets to it
23:39 < MikeSeth> so if you really wanted to, you could write a XSLT stylesheeet that does exactly what you want and distribute it as a plugin
23:39 < MiNiMEE> yeah ...
23:40 < MiNiMEE> hm ... didn't think of that ... good point ...
23:40 < trophaeum> MiNiMEE, i do quite a bit of seo work, .html is bullshit (unless u end up with a url ending with .exe from the url generation and its actually html)
23:40 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: it's the stupid urban legends from webmasterworld.com
23:40 < MikeSeth> im telling you
23:41 < MikeSeth> in any given group of 3 SEO "experts" there will be at least 4 contradicting opinions
23:41 < trophaeum> MikeSeth, no its lame ass whitehat seo's who dont test things to find out for themselves *sigh*
23:41 < MiNiMEE> thanks trophaeum ... this makes it rock-solid for me now ... screw .html !
23:41 < MiNiMEE> LOL
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23:41 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: and it all started with one chick writing a bullshit post on her blog so that she could rake in on adsense
23:41 < MikeSeth> god damn these people
23:42  * MikeSeth burns SEO artists at stake
23:42 < MikeSeth> ok, it's time for me to hit the sack
23:42 < MiNiMEE> but hey, some guy came in, sat down with us and told us things among which that "append a .html" thing was ... and now we poor little coders have to find a way to "do it", as nike would have said it ...
23:42 < MikeSeth> DITA's been trying to do me
23:42 < MikeSeth> but I won
23:43 < trophaeum> MiNiMEE, change seo companies lol
23:43 < MikeSeth> consultants
23:43 < MikeSeth> CONSULTANTS
23:43 < MikeSeth> CONSULTANTS!!!!
23:43 < MiNiMEE> it was one guy ... and i took some mentionable stack of money with him when he left ... i didn't ask for his opinion!!!
23:44 < MikeSeth> MiNiMEE: well. You probably can change the extensions in URLs for most of content
23:44 < MikeSeth> but seriously, don't
23:44 < MiNiMEE> i won't ...
23:44 < MikeSeth> you will lose zillions of incoming links
23:44 < MikeSeth> okay
23:45 < MikeSeth> then I can go to sleep :>
23:45 < trophaeum> MiNiMEE, if u want honest seo advice feel free to msg me, im rather bored atm, i can see plenty of little issues on there atm :)
23:45 < MiNiMEE> trophaeum: what about H1 vs H2 ... which one weighs more when it comes to SEO? H1 right?! ...
23:45 < trophaeum> ya
23:47 < MiNiMEE> sure, would be happy to get a little help from someone that acually knows about the topic and doesn't just blurp-out false advice
23:48 < MiNiMEE> here's one for ya: he actually told us to SUBMIT our page to search engines ... now, even i know that this is bullshit!!!
23:48 < trophaeum> uv got 125k incoming links, if u cant get indexed without that with that many links theres something wrong haha
23:49 < MiNiMEE> yep
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01:21 < MiNiMEE> good night guys ... have to hit the sack now
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02:51 < webreg> Hello everyone
03:03 < sikkle> helo webreg
03:11 < webreg> i am new here
03:11 < webreg> i am newbie
03:11 < webreg> there have tutorial screencast for agavi
03:12 < webreg> its easy to install of agavi?
03:12 < sikkle> just give it a try
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05:27 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:07 < _cheerios> huomenta
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07:10 < _cheerios> http://www.avnetlabs.com/php/php-framework-comparison-benchmarks
07:13 < E_mE> huomenta
07:24 < E_mE> somewhat of an invalid statement: procedural code (aka. spaghetti code) 
07:25 < E_mE> _cheerios: that was from the page you linked!
07:26 < v-dogg> hah, procedula code aka. spaghetti :)
07:26 < _cheerios> it's a blog, they're made for adsense, not for facts :)
07:26 < v-dogg> tell that to C people :)
07:32 < E_mE> hah, that guys examples are slower with op-code caches? :/  that doesn't seem right
07:34 < _cheerios> no, he just removed the top benchmarks. the interesting tidbit is how fast vanilla RoR comes out, you know, that slow slow ruby/ror thing!
07:37 < v-dogg> it's said to be slow? 
07:37 < marklar|omni> meeh
07:45 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: here?
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08:05 < E_mE> i shall no longer give AVG the thumbs up for this behaviour, its messed up: http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/26/avg_disguises_fake_traffic_as_ie6/
08:08 < v-dogg> hah, nice one
08:09 < v-dogg> I'd imagine AVG is going to see a slight increase in incomming hate mail :)
08:10 < E_mE> we've even seen a 4000 unique hit increase last month
08:10 < E_mE> might be ligitmate but who knows
08:27 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: rgr
08:28 < MikeSeth> where's wombert
08:28 < MikeSeth> durrr
08:29 < marklar|omni> durr
08:29 < marklar|omni> buki found eyeglasses in his car
08:30 < MikeSeth> not mine lol
08:30 < MikeSeth> http://www.avnetlabs.com/php/php-framework-comparison-benchmarks KEKEKKEKEKE
08:30 < marklar|omni> anything with labs in teh url = fale
08:30 < v-dogg> heh
08:30 < marklar|omni> grr pixelated stock illustration logo
08:31 < marklar|omni> The tests were run on a 1.8Ghz AMD sempron computer with 512Mb RAM running Ubuntu Gutsy (7.10) Desktop.
08:31 < marklar|omni> oh thats exactly what I run my 5mil uniq users a month websites on!
08:31 < marklar|omni> !!
08:33 < marklar|omni> um, how in the world could *any* failwork get 3.6 req/s
08:33 < marklar|omni> it's like they slowed it down on purpose
08:36 < MerlinDMC> ... a "benchmark" ... with no real relevance ^^
08:37 < marklar|omni> heh
08:37 < MerlinDMC> but that cake stuff is curios ... thats less than i would imagine ... seems to be a mistake ...
08:38 < MerlinDMC> cake was not that slow in my evaluations
08:38 < marklar|omni> heh
08:38 < marklar|omni> the cake is, again, a lie
08:38 < _cheerios> debug=on comes to mind
08:40 < MerlinDMC> I wish i would have time to test agavi a little more ^^
08:41 < MerlinDMC> theres much potential ... but without a documentation thats a lot of work :P
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08:52 < MikeSeth> documentation is coming soon
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08:55 < MerlinDMC> MikeSeth, I know ... autumn with V1.0
08:55 < MerlinDMC> spoke with Wombert ;)
08:56 < marklar|omni> http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii5/whatsthename/Funny%20Stuff/permaban.gif
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09:12 < Strzalek> huomenta
09:14 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
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09:33 < MikeSeth> http://www.avnetlabs.com/php/php-framework-comparison-benchmarks should we do this benchmark?
09:49 < v-dogg> hey guys, I still don't know what's the correct way to define custom date/time formats 
09:49 < v-dogg> I remember Wombs saying that you don't have to (and aren't supposed to) define translator domains for each format
09:53 < MerlinDMC> MikeSeth, you have time to port das simple app? ^^ ... would be interesting to see the comments I think :P
09:54 < MerlinDMC> s/das/that/ ... nargh ...
09:55 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: me neitehr
09:55 < MikeSeth> we need manuals
09:55 < MikeSeth> MerlinDMC: i havent looked at the sample app
09:55 < MikeSeth> MerlinDMC: I can probably make it work and then send the agavi distro to the guy
09:55 < MikeSeth> cuz he has the box on which it was measured
09:56 < MerlinDMC> MikeSeth, u can build sth. like a sandbox app ... with framework and stuff included ... so that the setup is easy ;)
09:57 < MerlinDMC> the app itself is just the display of a table with data from a db ... afaik
10:05 < MikeSeth> MerlinDMC: basically a 10 minute work
10:05 < MerlinDMC> MikeSeth, 10 Minutes if u know the framework, or have documentation ;)
10:06 < MerlinDMC> I would spend more than 4hours i think
10:06 < MerlinDMC> ^^
10:28 < marklar|omni> hai2u
10:29 < E_mE> MikeSeth: that benchmark such is bullshit im sure
10:30 < impl> humhum
10:30 < E_mE> MikeSeth: somewhat of an invalid statement: procedural code (aka. spaghetti code) 
10:32 < impl> it is a BS benchmark
10:32 < impl> it doesn't test any framework features
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10:39 < Flukey> yo yo yo 
10:39 < marklar|omni> heh
10:39 < marklar|omni> maik, heard about the bulldozer shit in jlm?
10:40 < v-dogg> impl: aye. yet another totally useless benchmark
10:40 < impl> /sigh
10:53 < MerlinDMC> impl, BS yes ... but many people reading such things ... thats advertising ;)
10:54 < impl> Stupid developers =X
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11:09 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: yes
11:09 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: they shot him lol
11:42 < marklar|omni> yea heh
11:42 < marklar|omni> video is funnay
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12:58 < vjoe> hello
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13:00 < vjoe> do you think that Agavi is a good launchpad to understand the MVC paradigm?
13:02 < _cheerios> good? great!
13:06 < vjoe> okay I will continue reading the documentation then :)
13:06 < vjoe> I still have to completely understand what is a framework
13:07 < v-dogg> vjoe: just remember that MVC in the web world is not implemented in the same way as the "original" MVC (event-observer based)
13:08 < vjoe> regarding MVC, I have only read the Wikipedia article about it
13:08 < vjoe> I know nothing apart from that
13:08 < impl> un momento
13:08 < impl> http://java.sun.com/blueprints/patterns/MVC-detailed.html
13:08 < impl> Take a look at that
13:09 < vjoe> ok, thanks
13:15 < MikeSeth> vjoe: the wikipedia article is pretty accurate
13:17 < vjoe> according to the Sun article, it's only useful to use a MVC type of architecture when developing an application which will have various intefaces
13:17 < vjoe> what about a website?
13:17 < vjoe> do you think it's still worth it?
13:18 < impl> Yeah
13:19 < impl> In this day and age, you're /expected/ to have these Web services, these WML output types, si necesse est
13:19 < vjoe> I see
13:19 < impl> And MVC gives you some sort of flexibility to be able to implement that sanely
13:20 < vjoe> so if you were to develop a website from scratch, you would use MVC right?
13:20 < vjoe> and regarding the three components, I'm not quite understanding the role of the "model"
13:20 < vjoe> the controller seems to be the core of the application and the views are the interfaces
13:20 < vjoe> but what is the model?
13:20 < v-dogg> vjoe: a modern web site has normally at least two interfaces - html and json (or some other output type used via ajax)
13:21 < impl> Well, the controller actually does relatively little besides interface between the view and the model
13:21 < vjoe> hm.. so if I want to use AJAX I have to use MVC?
13:21 < impl> the model is where the beef of your application should generally be
13:21 < vjoe> "beef"?
13:21 < impl> oh sorry :>
13:21 < impl> the main part
13:21 < v-dogg> vjoe: you don't have to but you should
13:21 < vjoe> v-dogg, I see
13:21 < vjoe> impl, what is the main part? :P
13:22 < impl> vjoe: Where you perform operations on your data
13:22 < vjoe> so it's the php or python script?
13:22 < vjoe> or perl... etc
13:22 < v-dogg> vjoe: you don't want to duplicate application logic just because you need both HTML and JSON output.
13:22 < v-dogg> one action - multiple output types
13:22 < vjoe> I see
13:23 < impl> vjoe: Well, I mean, the whole of Agavi for instance is implemented in PHP
13:23 < vjoe> and if the Model is the "core", what is the Controller then?
13:24 < vjoe> the data?
13:24 < impl> No, the controller communicates between the model and the view
13:24 < impl> passes request data around, etc
13:24 < vjoe> hm... :s
13:24 < impl> MikeSeth: http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2008/07/01/image/237873_TFPooh.jpg
13:24 < vjoe> the best way to actually understand that is to explore an application right?
13:25 < vjoe> I will continue reading agavi's documentation
13:25 < impl> vjoe: prolly
13:25 < MikeSeth> impl: haha needs more blood
13:29 < Flukey> marklar|omni: which video?
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13:54 < marklar|omni> http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/754/605.html
13:54 < marklar|omni> Flukey: ^^
14:00 < _cheerios> hmm, underclocked memory to 667mhz, perhaps now i can use all my mem with the comp remaining stable *crosses fingers*
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14:24 < vjoe> by the way guys, how would you compare Agavi with other frameworks such as Cake or CodeIgniter
14:24 < vjoe> ?
14:30 < impl> Well, you're asking for an obviously biased opinion, but Cake and CI are generally quite a mess
14:33 < vjoe> I found Agavi while reading Wikipedia, I was looking for a "small" framework
14:34 < vjoe> I believe it's easier to start with a smaller one
14:34 < vjoe> my only concern regarding Agavi is that it probably isn't used professionally 
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14:38 < _cheerios> critics, ahoy! which one? 1) http://www.ikea.com/PIAimages/58673_PE164158_S4.jpg (450e) 2) http://www.ikea.com/PIAimages/80291_PE204542_S4.JPG (699e)
14:40 < _cheerios> vjoe: it is. agavi just doesn't have as big a following as ci, cake or symfony.
14:41 < vjoe> what do you mean "as big a following"?
14:41 < _cheerios> you can do a highly scientific test by visiting each projects irc channel.
14:43 < vjoe> codeigniter's channel hasn't many more people than this one
14:43 < vjoe> although cakephp seems to be quite popular
14:47 < impl> vjoe: Agavi is used on some quite large sites
14:47 < impl> % nc www.mtv.de 80 | grep X-Powered-By
14:47 < impl> GET / HTTP/1.1
14:47 < impl> X-Powered-By: Agavi/1.0.0-dev on PHP/5.2.6-1~westend+etch1
14:47 < vjoe> sure, but I was talking in terms of jobs and such
14:48 < vjoe> wowo
14:49 < _cheerios> don't expect to get a job with agavi expertee (that goes for pertty much any framework) :)
14:50 < vjoe> actually the other day I came across to someone asking for a CodeIgniter expert
14:50 < vjoe> anyway...
14:50 < vjoe> DOM, Reflection and SPL extensions are required
14:51 < impl> vjoe: As it stands, you really have to sell Agavi with its features, not just "oh well it's the framework that everyone on the Web uses"
14:51 < vjoe> are they installed with the default Debian apache package?
14:51 < impl> I believe they should be, yes
14:52 < vjoe> is it recommended to install Agavi wit hPEAR?
14:52 < vjoe> with PEAR*
14:52 < _cheerios> vjoe: consulting and one time projects, doable, getting a full-time job, harder!
14:53 < vjoe> _cheerios, yes, that's true :D
14:53 < vjoe> besides, learning how to use a framework such as Agavi can be useful with freelance jobs right?
14:54 < _cheerios> like some dude once said, knowledge is power.
14:54 < impl> vjoe: yeah, PEAR is a good way to go
14:55 < _cheerios> so, 1 or 2 ?
14:55 < vjoe> yeah and it's never too many :D
14:55 < vjoe> impl, but isn't it better to copy paste the folder?
14:55 < vjoe> I never used PEAR before
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14:56 < impl> vjoe: You can do it either way
14:56 < impl> it doesn't really matter
14:57 < impl> when you copy the directory, you'll have to make a one-line change* to the agavi-dist file before you can use the script (*fixed and no longer necessary in the new build system that will be in the next release)
14:57 < vjoe> but for instance
14:57 < vjoe> pear install agavi/agavi
14:57 < impl> if you do it that way, then everything just works
14:58 < vjoe> this command will download the folder from the server and paste it in my current folder?
14:58 < vjoe> I'm kinda lost :P
14:59 < impl> no
14:59 < impl> it actually installs it to /usr/share/php or /usr/share/pear depending on your install, generally
14:59 < impl> Which makes the framework files available system-wide
15:00 < vjoe> hm..
15:00 < vjoe> well, I'm going to try
15:00 < vjoe> but using pear is the same thing that using aptitude for instance?
15:01 < impl> Nah, different storage subsystems
15:01 < impl> same idea, though
15:01 < impl> they are package managers
15:01 < vjoe> I see
15:02 < _cheerios> This backtrace appears to be of no use.
15:02 < _cheerios> This is probably because your packages are built in a way which prevents creation of proper backtraces, or the stack frame was seriously corrupted in the crash.
15:03 < _cheerios> crash handler mocking the crash message :)
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15:11 < vjoe> Auto-discovered channel "pear.phpunit.de", alias "phpunit", adding to registry
15:11 < vjoe> registry?
15:11 < vjoe> oh noes!
15:11 < vjoe> kidding :P
15:15 < vjoe> by the way, I installed it without installing the dependencies first
15:15 < vjoe> I supposed they were installed automatically
15:17 < impl> If it installed them, then yes :P
15:17 < vjoe> brb
15:25 < vjoe> back
15:25 < vjoe> impl, 
15:25 < vjoe> >or if you want to bundle Agavi with your application
15:25 < vjoe> why would I want to bundle it?
15:27 < impl> To manage the libraries yourself, so it is easy to redistribute, whatever
15:35 < vjoe> and impl, removing it with pear is just "pear uninstall agavi"?
15:38 < impl> something like that, yeah
15:39 < vjoe> now how can I access the framework?
15:39 < vjoe> in the manual it says:
15:39 < vjoe> Agavi comes with a (very simple) sample application. To make it work, all you have to do is adjust samples/pub/index.php to point to agavi.php, whereever it's installed, and maybe change permissions of samples/app/cache so it's writeable by your web server or PHP. Then, fire it up in your browser and play around with it.
15:39 < vjoe> but I don't get it :\
15:42 < impl> Well, you obviously have to have a VirtualHost or some sort of configuration in your Webserver to point to that index.php also
15:43 < vjoe> hm.. :\
15:45 < vjoe> I managed to use the sample file from the zip file
15:45 < vjoe> anyway, I'm starting to understand it
15:45 < vjoe> agavi project
15:45 < vjoe> so the framework is actually a program and not a script
15:47 < impl> Well, it is more like a very large collection of scripts
15:47 < impl> since PHP is not a programming language anyway
15:48 < vjoe> hm, I believe I have just created my first Avaghi project
15:48 < vjoe> I mean
15:48 < vjoe> Agavi
15:48 < vjoe> xD
15:48 < impl> using `agavi project`?
15:48 < vjoe> it created an app and pub folders in the folder I pointed
15:48 < vjoe> yes
15:48 < impl> yeah :P
15:49 < vjoe> so the website is both folders?
15:49 < vjoe> or just the pub one?
15:49 < impl> pub is roughly equivalent to 'www' or 'public_html'
15:49 < impl> the app directory contains all the configuration, logic, for your Web application
15:50 < impl> (models, views, ettc)
15:50 < impl> etc*
15:50 < vjoe> but what if I want to upload my website to a host
15:50 < impl> You need both directories, as well as the Agavi core libraries (installed with PEAR)
15:53 < vjoe> hm. so the server has to have Agavi installed, right?
15:53 < vjoe> I thought the frameworks built stand alone apps... .\
15:53 < vjoe> :\
15:54 < impl> Yes, it does. Which is why it is useful to just download the Agavi source code along with your app.
15:54 < impl> (redistributable)
15:55 < impl> as far as stand-alone... no, they always have library dependencies
15:56 < vjoe> what difference makes if I have the source code?
15:57 < impl> ?
15:57 < vjoe> you said «Which is why it is useful to just download the Agavi source code along with your app.»
15:57 < impl> ah, sorry
15:57 < impl> I poorly worded that
15:57 < impl> I mean, that's why it's useful to have a directory with the Agavi libraries in it distributed in the same project directory as your built application
15:58 < impl> that way it's easy to put onto <host>
15:58 < vjoe> hm wait
15:58 < vjoe> let's suppose that I have an account on some host with FTP access
15:58 < vjoe> which as public_html and etc
15:58 < vjoe> can I have my Agavi website running on it?
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15:59 < impl> Sure
15:59 < MiNiMEE> howdy
15:59 < impl> hallo
16:01 < vjoe> hey
16:01 < vjoe> so impl, I upload the contents of "pub" to "public_html"
16:01 < vjoe> and what do I do next?
16:03 < impl> vjoe: You have to upload app to app, and Agavi libraries somewhere
16:03 < impl> lib or something
16:05 < vjoe> I get it, thanks
16:06 < MiNiMEE> off topic:: who likes MS SharePoint? raise your hands!
16:07 < vjoe> impl, is there a section in the manual which explains the architecture of the framework?
16:07 < CIA-5> david * r2560 /branches/david-system_action_refactoring/src/controller/AgaviController.class.php: make new container for internal redirect to "Unavailable" action, refs #769
16:09 < MiNiMEE> vjoe: http://www.agavi.org/docs/HEAD/manuals/manual/ch03.html ... as a starting point, but it depends on what u need to be explained
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16:10 < vjoe> MiNiMEE, I want to know how a framework works
16:10 < vjoe> for example, how they make the xml files "work"
16:10 < MiNiMEE> real basics ... 1sec
16:10 < vjoe> brb
16:12 < MiNiMEE> vjoe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller ... really basic! but from there you should be able to understand it in principle ...
16:19 < vjoe> back
16:19 < MiNiMEE> wb
16:19 < vjoe> yes MiNiMEE I have already read that
16:19 < vjoe> as well as an article from Sun
16:19 < MiNiMEE> forget the wiki link ...
16:19 < vjoe> but I was talking about xml parsing and that type of stuff
16:20 < MiNiMEE> get it ... you will have to take a look into core yourself ... i am just using it ... :D
16:20 < vjoe> eheh
16:21 < vjoe> by the way, 
16:22 < vjoe> >and, of course, the WelcomeToAgaviAction.class.php, WelcomeToAgaviSuccessView.class.php and WelcomeToAgaviSuccess.php template
16:22 < vjoe> where are these files?
16:27 < marklar|omni> ohai2u
16:27 < marklar|omni> in modules/default/
16:27 < marklar|omni> actions, views and templates respectively
16:27 < MiNiMEE> ^^
16:29 < MiNiMEE> src/buildtools/core_templates/defaults/* this is where you can find them when you extract the zip/gz the first time
16:32 < v-dogg> vjoe: this (or parts of it) might be usefull: http://phpseriously.com/archives/8-Getting-Started-with-Agavi-and-Propel-Part-1
16:34 < vjoe> thanks
16:34 < ttj> Muahaha, brilliant! I can fit the new Thinkpad X61s into my portfolio case. \o/
16:35 < ttj> No need to lug along the briefcase anymore if I just need to carry the laptop and some papers.
16:38 < marklar|omni> I want a lowepro computrekker
16:38 < marklar|omni> my current Dicota backpack is nice too
16:39 < vjoe> eheh
16:39 < vjoe> I'm going to buy a Asus F8SN soon :D
16:45 < marklar|omni> nice
16:45 < marklar|omni> meh
16:46 < ttj> Pfft. Mobility + battery life FTW!
16:46 < ttj> Been using this for two hours now and it still has ~4.5 hours left in the battery. \o/
16:47 < E_mE> baaii
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17:29 < marklar|omni> zomg
17:29 < marklar|omni> brainfuck interpreter in lolcode
17:29 < marklar|omni> http://forum.lolcode.com/viewtopic.php?id=51
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17:40 < MrJeep> anyone ever experienced this error with propel ... [wrapped: SQLSTATE[HY000]: General error: 1210 Incorrect arguments to mysql_stmt_execute]
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17:43 < marklar|omni> protip: propel = fail.
17:43 < MrJeep> it's a pdo error before being a propel error
17:46 < MrJeep> oh possibly a simple mysql error
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17:49 < impl> marklar|omni: hohoho@brainfuck interpreter
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18:08 < marklar|omni> heh hai
18:08 < CIA-5> david * r2561 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG etc/phing/AgaviPackageTask.php src/version.php): rc2 version info
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18:24 < CIA-5> impl * r2562 /branches/impl-build_system/build/agavi/script/agavi.php: branches/impl-build_system (refs #689): Fix small oversight
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18:32 < MikeSeth> impl: where's Wombert? O_O
18:33 < impl> I don't know :\
18:33 < impl> Working from home, anyway
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18:36 < marklar|omni> wow
18:36 < marklar|omni> this laptop is winnar.
18:36 < marklar|omni> fbsd in vmware compiling tehportz fgj
18:36 < marklar|omni> and no noticeable effect on the rest of the box
18:37 < impl> maybe it just freebsd that is win
18:37 < impl> :>
18:37 < marklar|omni> It Certainly Is.
18:38 < marklar|omni> (tm)
18:38 < marklar|omni> man, I wish I could make love to freebsd
18:38 < impl> it is*
18:38 < ttj> Man, I don't.
18:38 < marklar|omni> heh
18:38 < marklar|omni> I <3 it
18:38 < impl> well, there's always beastie...
18:38 < marklar|omni> hm
18:38 < ttj> Eww...
18:38 < marklar|omni> might get burned tho
18:38 < marklar|omni> I could help him rape the penguin though
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18:38 < ttj> Might get a pitchfork stuck in a nasty place.
18:39 < marklar|omni> buttfork.
18:39 < marklar|omni> heh
18:40 < impl> there used to be a site of a reasonably hot 'FreeBSD girl' that they had at conventions and shit
18:40 < impl> I can't find it now, though
18:41 < marklar|omni> ya
18:41 < marklar|omni> I kidnapped her
18:41 < marklar|omni> :<
18:41 < impl> D:
18:41 < marklar|omni> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/46/111143969_35533831ab.jpg
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18:42 < ttj> "A cute BSD chick, who in fact turned out to be a cute BSD boy..."
18:42 < marklar|omni> but you probably meant this:
18:42 < marklar|omni> http://mosel.estg.ipleiria.pt/files/imagens/pics_Ceren_Booth_dbabe08.preview.jpg
18:43 < ttj> Ooh... Not too shabby.
18:43 < marklar|omni> http://www.bleeding.com/~jon/women/BSDGirl.jpg
18:43 < marklar|omni> shopped but nice
18:43 < impl> marklar|omni: ya
18:44 < marklar|omni> TF2 time
18:45 < impl> http://wrzask.pl/fun/bsd_vs_linux/
18:45 < impl> :>>
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19:39 < CIA-5> david * r2563 /tags/0.11.2RC2/: tagging 0.11.2 RC2 for release
19:39 -!- Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: latest: 0.11.2 RC2 :: stable: 0.11.1 :: http://agavi.org/ :: want svn? use http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta || 15:47 <Flukey> now i think about it, it all makes perfect sense :)
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19:45 < marklar|omni> hahaha
19:45 < impl> omg
19:45 < impl> asdf
19:45 < Wombert> ?
19:45 < impl> Wombert: the last one is separated by || and all the other ones are by ::
19:45 < Wombert> omg!
19:46 < Wombert> that was mike!
19:46 < impl> D: D: D:
19:46 -!- Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: latest: 0.11.2 RC2 :: stable: 0.11.1 :: http://agavi.org/ :: want svn? use http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta :: 15:47 <Flukey> now i think about it, it all makes perfect sense :)
19:46 < impl> much better :>
19:46 < marklar|omni> heh
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19:50 < marklar|omni> my gf is sending me funnycat videos
19:50 < marklar|omni> rickroll time
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20:21 < _cheerios> ah. box been stable since boot after going underclocking the ram. better stay like this now too...
20:22 < Wombert> even if you just calculate with 5 bucks for an hour of your work
20:22 < Wombert> I bet you're already into some four figure sum
20:23 < _cheerios> yeah, im at a loss on this one money-wise, deffo.
20:25 < _cheerios> only crash i got was when closing openoffice in kubuntu, googling tells me that's normal. i never use it anyhow. :)
20:25 < CIA-5> david * r2569 /branches/david-system_action_refactoring/ (2 files in 2 dirs): use containers for the rest of the forwards, too, and store everything in container attribs. refs #769
20:27 < Wombert> humm
20:27 < Wombert> that seems done
20:27 < Wombert> could merge
20:27  * Wombert ponders
20:28 < _cheerios> massive commit-runs you guys have done past few days
20:29 < Wombert> mh yeah well getting some stuff done
20:29 < Wombert> I wish I could do this five days a week :/
20:29 < impl> I'm glad the build system is in a usable state now
20:30 < Wombert> <:
20:30 < impl> well, almost, anyway
20:32 < Wombert> yeah just the project wizard, right?
20:32 < impl> yeah
20:32 < impl> well
20:32 < Wombert> does it have an action wizard yet?
20:32 < impl> a couple of other remove ones
20:32 < Wombert> that also asks me for views etc?
20:32 < impl> nah, no wizards yet
20:32 < Wombert> remove is not soooo important I guess
20:33 < impl> I hope I can just do <phingcall>s
20:33 < E_mE[Stilgar> moooo
20:33 < impl> but they weren't working before
20:33 < Wombert> I think so impl 
20:33 < impl> properties set inside the called targets don't seem to get set again outside them
20:33 < Wombert> should I do this circular call detection stuff for system actions?
20:33  * Wombert ponders
20:33 < impl> no
20:34 < impl> in fact we should just take that code out altogether :>
20:34 < Wombert> like... when the disabled_module action is in a disabled module ^^
20:34 < Wombert> which
20:34 < impl> all of the code that checks whether the user does something stupid
20:35 < impl> like the maximum nesting limit and everything
20:35 < Wombert> alright then
20:42 < CIA-5> david * r2570 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Merging in branch "david-system_action_refactoring", closes #769 (commit also updates CHANGELOG and RELEASE_NOTES)
20:43 < impl> nicee
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21:13 < CIA-5> david * r2571 /branches/david-system_action_refactoring/: 
21:13 < CIA-5> R.I.P.
21:13 < CIA-5> [2502:2570/david-system_action_refactoring]
21:13 < CIA-5> killed by a merge
21:13 < CIA-5> the repos will always remember you
21:14 < Wombert> oh crap
21:14 < Wombert> I ruined the headstone inscription
21:14 < Wombert> meh meh
21:16 < impl> how so? :P
21:16 < impl> oh, forgot /branches
21:18 < impl> Wombert: svn propedit svn:log --revprop -r2571 --editor-cmd vim /path/to/branches/blahblahb
21:18 < impl> :x
21:19 < Wombert> mmh
21:19 < Wombert> omg
21:19 < Wombert> http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=30622
21:19 < Wombert> ...
21:20 < Wombert> z
21:20 < Wombert> o
21:20 < Wombert> m
21:20 < Wombert> f
21:20 < Wombert> g
21:20 < ttj> Wombert: Watched the new Top Gear episodes?
21:20 < Wombert> ttj: absolutely
21:21 < Wombert> I hope the stunt driver dies soon
21:21 < ttj> Haha.
21:21 < ttj> Well, still, brilliant stuff.
21:21 < Wombert> and I hope they stop bringing two faggots at once for the interview
21:21 < Wombert> other than that... I liiiike!
21:21 < ttj> Ah. I just skipped the interviews.
21:21 < Wombert> actually
21:21 < ttj> But, I need an RS6 sedan.
21:22 < Wombert> I just realized that one of the guys in the first episode actually WAS a faggot
21:22 < _cheerios> i was just "so.. this is top gear" watching that ep
21:22 < Wombert> so my comment was pejorative
21:22 < _cheerios> a fatty and two gay guys. nice show! :p
21:22 < Wombert> sorry :p
21:22 < Wombert> _cheerios: they were both gay? nah
21:22 < ttj> A fatty?
21:22 < ttj> Who?
21:22 < Wombert> clarkson? :p
21:23 < _cheerios> the stunt guy, did you take a look at his stance? :)
21:23 < Wombert> the SIARPC segment is boring. always was. except for some exceptions
21:23  * impl squints
21:23 < ttj> Ah.
21:23 < ttj> Well, Jimmy Carr was great.
21:23 < Wombert> yes, among others
21:23 < Wombert> what I keep noticing is
21:23 < ttj> As was that Pop Idol guy.
21:23 < ttj> What's-his-name.
21:23 < Wombert> how their cutting and camera angles and filters etc gets better each season
21:23 < Wombert> music, too
21:23 < ttj> The music too.
21:23 < ttj> Yeah.
21:23 < Wombert> it's on such an incredibly high level quality-wise
21:24 < ttj> Lots of movie scores.
21:24 < _cheerios> the "almost" feel of the video replay was worth a chuckle.
21:24 < Wombert> lately, yeah
21:24 < ttj> They've always used lots of movie scores.
21:24 < Wombert> ttj: you saw davos -> stelvio last season?
21:24 < ttj> Hmm...
21:24 < Wombert> WAT
21:25 < Wombert> 911 GT3RS / Gallardo Superleggera/Aston V8 N24
21:25 < Wombert> omg!?
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21:25 < ttj> Ah! That one!
21:25 < ttj> I liked it how some poor bastard crashed his Lamborghini later. :P
21:25 < ttj> And sent the picture. :P
21:26 < Wombert> who what how where?
21:26 < ttj> Well, they were first looking for the perfect driving road.
21:26 < ttj> And told others to try it too.
21:26 < ttj> In the following episode some guy had sent some pictures of his road trip.
21:27 < Wombert> really? don't remember that
21:27 < ttj> I recall he had a Murcielago. Then a couple of pictures later the Lambo was in a ditch, upside down. :P
21:27 < Wombert> we're talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPNqpXq9ms this right?
21:27 < ttj> Yeah, but this was in the following episode.
21:28 < Wombert> ttj: okay. then can we please figure out a way to rob a bank, then buy... say... oh well whatever nice car, and take that trip? kthx
21:28 < ttj> I actually decided that I'm getting a Morgan Plus 8.
21:35 < Wombert> really
21:35 < Wombert> you know its made of wood
21:35 < Wombert> and it will break down all the time
21:37 < ttj> Pfft.
21:37 < ttj> I was in one in Brighton.
21:37 < _cheerios> that 7min vid was better than the whole new ep
21:37 < ttj> Surrounded by M5s and Bentley Continental GTs and everyone was staring at the Morgan.
21:38 < Wombert> _cheerios: there's four segments
21:38 < ttj> But! Someone buy me a BMW 335i coupé.
21:38 < Wombert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02HRYxn2a0g&feature=related
21:38 < Wombert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRkGDxBTSF4&feature=related
21:39 < Wombert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeRN_JzFZX0&feature=related
21:39 < Wombert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPNqpXq9ms
21:39 < E_mE[Stilgar> 2CV ;D
21:39 < E_mE[Stilgar> with rocket pack on it hehe
21:39 < _cheerios> ttj: here you go http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/05/29/049723.1-lg.jpg
21:39 < Wombert> ttj: what were you doing in brighton
21:40 < Wombert> why were you sitting in a morgan
21:40 < Wombert> and why were you surrounded by bentleys
21:40 < Wombert> and why didn't you drag me along
21:40 < ttj> Wombert: I was sailing there.
21:40 < Wombert> you didn't drive it though did you?
21:40 < ttj> _cheerios: That's what you drive, huh?
21:41 < ttj> Nah, the guy didn't trust me. :P
21:41 < Wombert> lame
21:41 < ttj> Nah, he's a cool guy.
21:41 < ttj> His last name is Morgan. :P
21:41 < ttj> So obviously he also has to have a Morgan in his garage. :P
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22:23 < Wombert> hmm
22:23 < Wombert> impl: 
22:23 < Wombert> I wanna supply three params to xsl files
22:23 < Wombert> config file path
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22:23 < Wombert> env name
22:23 < Wombert> and ctx name
22:23 < Wombert> should I call them "agavi.environment"
22:23 < Wombert> or "agavi:environment"
22:23 < Wombert> oh wait
22:25 < Wombert> hmm
22:25 < Wombert> this colon stuff
22:25 < Wombert> hmm
22:25 < impl> um
22:25 < impl> how do you reference a parameter in XSL?
22:25  * vjoe bye
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22:26 < Wombert> $foo
22:26 < Wombert> it'd be $agavi:environment
22:26 < Wombert> which works
22:26 < Wombert> {$...} actually
22:26 < impl> I think that will confuse people if they decide to use a different namespace or something
22:27 < Wombert> works w/o the ns decl
22:27 < impl> namespace name, I mean
22:27 < impl> Yeah, I know
22:27 < impl> That's the problem ;p
22:30 < Wombert> why does it work without me declaring the namespace
22:30 < Wombert> I mesan
22:30 < Wombert> omg php
22:30 < Wombert> or is that libxmlk
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22:33 < Wombert> so imma maek it agavi.lulz, impl?
22:33 < impl> Yeah, I think so
22:42 < CIA-5> david * r2572 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/config/AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php: Expose environment name, context name and config file path to XSLTProcessor, refs #709
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23:03 < Wombert> ah fark
23:03 < Wombert> refs #710 actually
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05:02 < marklar|omni> ohai
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06:09 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:19 < shoan> huomenta
06:26 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
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07:09 < E_mE> huomenta
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07:12 < _cheerios> huomenta
07:17 < Wombert> orly
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08:53 < MikeSeth> http://squashnstretch.googlepages.com/blog_tf2.jpg
08:54 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: http://squashnstretch.googlepages.com/blog_tf2.jpg
08:54 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: http://squashnstretch.googlepages.com/blog_tf2.jpg
08:54 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: http://squashnstretch.googlepages.com/blog_tf2.jpg
08:54 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: http://squashnstretch.googlepages.com/blog_tf2.jpg
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08:58 < MikeSeth> impl: http://squashnstretch.googlepages.com/blog_tf2.jpg
09:02 < Wombert> mildly lulz
09:02 < _cheerios> does not compute
09:03 < shoan> i dont get it either
09:06 < MikeSeth> Wombert: chat tonite?
09:07 < Wombert> yesplz
09:12 < Wombert> gah
09:12 < Wombert> this xml namespace stuff
09:12 < Wombert> beh
09:19 < Wombert> meh meh meh
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09:51 < impl> Wombert: agavi project should do the same as agavi project-create except create default actions/views/whatever right?
09:52 < Wombert> err
09:52 < impl> s/except/plus also/
09:52 < impl> and should it prompt the user for the names, like the current build system?
10:08 < Wombert> yeah
10:08 < Wombert> or
10:08 < Wombert> hm
10:08 < Wombert> doesn't have to, I guess...
10:08 < Wombert> well
10:09 < Wombert> its mostly about the module name, not the action names, I guess
10:09 < Wombert> right, v-dogg?
10:11 < v-dogg> wotwotwot
10:11 < impl> Wombert: dunno, however you'd like it
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10:14 < v-dogg> so "project-create" is more or less like "project" currently?
10:14 < v-dogg> and what would "project" do?
10:15 < Wombert> there is no "project" atm afaik
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10:20 < v-dogg> Spicachu
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11:20 < Wombert_> zomg
11:20 < Wombert_> factories.xml = fail
11:21 < Wombert_> why doesn't it have a plural container tag for all that stuff
11:21 < Wombert_> zomg zomg zomg
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11:21 < impl> change it ö
11:22 < v-dogg> womb womb womb
11:23 < v-dogg> tell me, good sir
11:23 < v-dogg> what was the proper way to define custom datetime formats?
11:23 < v-dogg> was there some other way than traslation domains?
11:23 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: you may want to stop calling people spics and wombs :>
11:24 < v-dogg> nah :)
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11:39 < MerlinDMC> I'm currently looking at user authentication: addCredential() uses the storage subsystem now if in factories.xml the storage class is set to AgaviSessionStorage the credentials are only persistent in session or is the AgaviSecurityUser class using another storage backend?
11:47 < v-dogg> it uses session storage
11:49 < MerlinDMC> thx
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12:03 < impl> Wombert: figured out that problem with the user-defined elements not working right
12:04 < Wombert> ?
12:04 < impl> for some reason (during parsing I guess), it gets created as UnknownElement instead of the task class
12:04 < impl> and then it gets converted later
12:04 < impl> but that doesn't happen the second time around
12:04 < impl> so it just b0rks
12:04 < impl> anyway I just got rid of the initialize target altogether
12:04 < impl> and I think it'll work now
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12:39 < impl> vjoe: I don't think so, but take a look at this patch: http://trac.agavi.org/attachment/ticket/614/chapter3-first-sections.patch
12:39 < vjoe> huh?
12:39 < vjoe> hi by the way
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12:58 < MrJeep> morning
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13:05 < impl> vjoe: sorry, was referring to something from like a day ago by accent
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13:18 < impl> Wombert: for the action wizard, let the user specify what they want for the view names, or just create a Success view?
13:18 < Wombert> nah, ask for the view names to create
13:18 < Wombert> as it is now, basically
13:18 < impl> okey
13:18 < v-dogg> absolutely
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13:22 < MikeSeth> Wombert: clan raep tonight? 
13:22 < MikeSeth> ;>
13:22 < Wombert> hmm
13:22 < Wombert> nah
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13:34 < _cheerios> ikea visits are exhausting x_X
13:34 < ttj> Ikea visitors should be castrated.
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13:35 < _cheerios> they serve hot dogs for 50cents on your way out, and soft icecream too! mm
13:49 < E_mE> MikeSeth: with emacs can you doing the following?   swap this line of code "$this->cats = $array['cats'];" to "$array['cats'] = $this->cats;"  ??
13:49 < E_mE> using the "=" as a pivot?
13:50 < E_mE> _cheerios: whole hot dogs? with buns and all?
13:50 < ttj> Mmm... Buns...
13:50 < MikeSeth> I'd teach a macro for this
13:50 < ttj> E_mE: Regexps?
13:52 < E_mE> how would you manage it with regex?
13:53 < E_mE> teach a macro.. that sounds interesting
13:53 < E_mE> what ive the value wasn't always cats, might be dogs, dear etc
13:53 < MikeSeth> E_mE: yeah you can teach emacs macros, then edit them and have emacs repeat them
13:53 < impl> M-x replace-regexp
13:53 < impl> would work
13:54 < impl> assuming you don't do anything really funky
13:54 < MikeSeth> but regexps are ugly :>
13:54  * impl shrugs :P
13:54 < ttj> "How would I go about embedding a nail into a piece of wood?" "Use a hammer." "But hammers are ugly... :("
13:54 < impl> ouch :>
13:55  * MikeSeth smacks ttj
13:55 < MikeSeth> invalid analogy
13:55 < _cheerios> E_mE: small bun with a long dog
13:55 < MikeSeth> in our case there's more than just regexps :>
13:55 < impl> you could use a sledgehammer
13:55 < impl> or a teapot
13:56 < ttj> Sledge_hammer_.
13:56 < impl> THEY ARE DIFFERENT
13:56 < ttj> Hammer.
13:56 < impl> Wikipedia has a separate article on it, so it's a different thing.
13:56  * E_mE runs away from the cross firee
13:56 < E_mE> ill have to check out emacs macros
13:57 < ttj> Or... Switch to a proper editor. Like vi. *ducks*
13:58 < impl> blasphemy
13:58 < E_mE> i use nano atm for console things
13:58  * ttj throws stones at impl 
13:58  * impl eats
13:58 < E_mE> but im starting to outstrech its abilities
13:59 < ttj> Interesting. Didn't know that moron, imbecile, and idiot are all tied to IQ ranges.
13:59 < ttj> 51-70, 26-50, and 0-25, respectively.
14:01 < E_mE> IQ tests are bullshit
14:01 < E_mE> doesn't describe peoples intelligence
14:02 < E_mE> unless it implies that everyones head works the same way
14:02 < E_mE> you*
14:02 < impl> Well, that's why they are 'standardized'
14:02 < impl> but tbh Binet can go fuck himself
14:04 < Wombert> lunch
14:04  * Wombert &
14:05 < impl> bit late :>
14:11 < Wombert> oh
14:11 < Wombert> I just found the glass of apple soda I've been looking for for two hours
14:11 < Wombert> meh
14:11 < Wombert> lunch, rly
14:11  * Wombert &
14:15 < MikeSeth> Wombert: ZOMG
14:15 < ttj> "Lunch? You gotta be kidding! Lunch is for wimps!"
14:16 < ttj> Speaking of which, the sequel to Wall Street will be out next year! \o/
14:18 < MikeSeth> ttj: have YOU seen Clerks 2?
14:19 < ttj> Yeah. Quite a while ago, though.
14:19 < ttj> No wait.
14:19 < ttj> Was it Clerks.
14:19 < ttj> No, it was the original Clerks.
14:19 < MikeSeth> Watch Clerks 2!
14:19 < MikeSeth> probably the best movie of the year
14:19 < ttj> Will do, if I can get my hands on it.
14:20 < E_mE> Ah Clerk is great :D
14:20 < E_mE> Jay and Silent bob are great ;)
14:26 < MikeSeth> ttj: mininova.org :>
14:27 < MikeSeth> E_mE: have you seen the new movie? Watch it it's incredible
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14:31 < E_mE> ill attempt to at some point
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15:28 < impl> GAH, I can't understand how Phing can possibly work so stupidly
15:28 < impl> this is ridiculous
15:28 < impl> the entire architecture is just wrong
15:36  * Wombert stabs xml
15:46 < Wombert> *thunder*
15:46 < Wombert> *lightning*
15:48 < impl> *PHING*
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16:27 < E_mE> how can i display a href + the text inside the <a></a> with xpath
16:29 < E_mE> i thought about concat() but it doesnt work
16:30 < E_mE> just returns the first row
16:32 < Wombert> eh?
16:33 < Wombert> you need evaluate() then, not query()
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16:45 < E_mE> byeeeee
16:47 < erisco> bye
16:47 < erisco> !huomenta
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17:03 < kaos|work> impl
17:03 < kaos|work> ping
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19:11 < _cheerios> 32" tv recommendations?
19:14 < sikkle> by 42"
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19:21 < _cheerios> it would be tempting to go 40-42", it's only 100% more price and you get full-hd, but my apartment is kinda small -- it'd be viewed from only 2m away, and finnish TV broadcast quality is crap on tv's >32" that I read. ttj, v-dogg - is it any better in having a smaller tv, if watching finnish tv channels? :)
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19:32 < _cheerios> (plus i don't watch much tv, it'd be more of a decoration)
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19:55 < trophaeum> iv got a nice 36" (err, 32? not certain) sony 720p bravia, nice tv, also works well as a monitor :)
19:55 < trophaeum> well worth it, 1 of the 100hz 1's
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20:20 < Wombert> [22:15] donaldball: hey folks, is it possible to have environment-specfic rules in security.yml?
20:20 < Wombert> [22:17] _Slick_Rick: donaldball: i doubt it
20:20 < Wombert> [22:18] _Slick_Rick: nice security hole that would be 
20:20 < Wombert> [22:18] donaldball: well, i'm trying to apply sfSslRequirement rules in prod but not in dev
20:20 < Wombert> [22:18] donaldball: seems like a fairly common thing to want to do, but alas
20:20 < Wombert> [22:18] donaldball: any suggestions for a good way to do that?
20:20 < Wombert> [22:19] _Slick_Rick: what does that do. force it to be ssl?
20:20 < Wombert> [22:20] _Slick_Rick: paste me a link to the plugin and ill look at it
20:20  * Wombert chuckles
20:24 < E_mE[Stilgar> Wombert: you invited him in ;)
20:24 < Wombert> no
20:25 < Wombert> [22:21] donaldball: _Slick_Rick: http://trac.symfony-project.org/wiki/sfSslRequirementPluginFor10
20:25 < Wombert> [22:21] donaldball: it's clever, but not quite clever enough 
20:25 < Wombert> [22:21] [MA]Pascal: donaldball, in settings.yml you can set use_security: off for your specific env
20:25 < Wombert> [22:22] _Slick_Rick: [MA]Pascal: that in 1.1 too?
20:25 < Wombert> [22:23] donaldball: [MA]Pascal: ahhh, that'd work
20:25 < Wombert> [22:24] donaldball: except it doesn't... it only disabled the security filter, not the sfSslRequirement filter
20:25 < E_mE[Stilgar> what you waiting for? ;)
20:26 < E_mE[Stilgar> will the new build tools allow me to create new views for a related action
20:28 < E_mE[Stilgar> nudge impl Wombert
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20:34 < Wombert_> yes E_mE[Stilgar 
20:34 < Wombert_> but you can do that already
20:34 < Wombert_> "agavi action"
20:35 < Wombert_> enter the existing action's name
20:35 < Wombert_> and new view names
20:35 < E_mE[Stilgar> ahhhh! :D
20:35 < E_mE[Stilgar> i didnt relise that
20:35 < marklar|omni> yargh
20:35 < marklar|omni> faggot sp3 borked my laptop
20:35 < Wombert_> lololo
20:35 < marklar|omni> bsod loop
20:35 < E_mE[Stilgar> teach you for using windows
20:35 < marklar|omni> had to restore from a warezed copy
20:35 < marklar|omni> heh
20:35 < Wombert_> bsod loop?
20:35 < Wombert_> wait
20:35 < marklar|omni> yea
20:35 < marklar|omni> not amd
20:35 < Wombert_> saw sth bout that
20:36 < marklar|omni> yae
20:36 < Wombert_> http://tinyurl.com/pkefc
20:36 < E_mE[Stilgar> Wombert_:  do you have a tinyurl utility?
20:36 < marklar|omni> heh
20:36 < Wombert_> nah, I know that one by heart
20:36 < Wombert_> other than that, just a bookmarklet :)
20:36 < E_mE[Stilgar> oh hehe
20:36 < Wombert_> used to be "it just works" and sth bout "your toaster doesn't crash... your kitchen sink doesn't crash... why should your computer" :>
20:41 < impl> !!!!
20:41 < impl> actually
20:41 < impl> sinks and toasters can both crash
20:43 < marklar|omni> if you fly a plane into them
20:47 < Wombert_> or if they fall to the ground
20:47 < Wombert_> cause a kitteh threw them
20:47 < Wombert_> :>>
20:47 < Wombert_> IM ON UR TABLEZ CRASHING UR TOWSTARS
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20:48 < impl> no
20:48 < impl> maybe you put a fork in your toaster while it is on
20:48 < impl> or maybe you dropped a spoon in your garbage disposal
20:49 < impl> Apple advertising is all lies
20:49 < E_mE[Stilgar> impl: you an apple fan?
20:50 < impl> No
20:50 < Wombert_> quite the contrary
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20:50 < impl> I would rather eat a bird off of the street than use OS X permanently
20:51 < E_mE[Stilgar> why is that?
20:52 < E_mE[Stilgar> impl: infact, come to cornwall you can eat seagulls by the millions, there a right fucking annoyance
20:52 < E_mE[Stilgar> try to steal your food and shit everywhere
20:52 < impl> Because all they are interested in is bringing money for themselves, and the only reason they have 'compatibility' with other OSes is because if they didn't, no-one would use their products
20:52 < E_mE[Stilgar> and on rubbish day, completely rip every bin bag in sight to shreads
20:52 < marklar|omni> heh
20:53 < marklar|omni> teh apple is rotten.
20:53 < E_mE[Stilgar> impl: i thought thats what all computer companies where about
20:53 < marklar|omni> zomg, I think it's working
20:53 < marklar|omni> YAY FOR REPAIR
20:53 < impl> E_mE[Stilgar: I use Linux :(
20:53 < E_mE[Stilgar> so do i :)
20:53 < E_mE[Stilgar> i even use linux at work! :D
20:53 < impl> I'm tired of Apple's lies, s'all
20:53 < impl> they're worse than MS
20:54 < E_mE[Stilgar> which lies? ive not been listening to the gossip seen much
20:54 < E_mE[Stilgar> we had some IT contractors come in yday and told him that we had 4 unix based machines and only 3 windows in our office, he was like... oh mmm well i do know a guy that works on linux hehe
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21:50 < impl> Wombert_: poek
21:50 < ttj> Ugh.
21:50 < Wombert_> hai impl 
21:50 < Wombert_> sup
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22:13 < stachu> how could i enable logging for one module?
22:13 < E_mE[Stilgar> has anyone written a module that communicates with Paypal? if not i'm gonna write one so i just want to make sure im not wasting my time if someone else has one
22:14 < E_mE[Stilgar> s/module/plugin
22:14 < nfq> hey E_mE[Stilgar 
22:14 < E_mE[Stilgar> evening nfq
22:15 < nfq> time for bed for me soon.. it rained like cats and dogs here.. today
22:15 < nfq> over the lake.. but beautiful
22:15 < E_mE[Stilgar> yeah i saw on the forecast
22:15 < nfq> Wombert: you around tomorrow mate?
22:15 < E_mE[Stilgar> was looking at european weather
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22:15 < nfq> ah, nice
22:15 < Wombert> yes nfq 
22:15 < Wombert> did you hear bout DC?
22:15 < E_mE[Stilgar> portugal on weds ;)
22:15 < nfq> yeah, sad
22:16 < E_mE[Stilgar> DC?
22:16 < nfq> Wombert: sad about DC but it's time
22:16 < Wombert> so vettel now to RBR
22:16 < nfq> David Coulthard
22:16 < nfq> looks like
22:16 < nfq> good for him
22:16 < Wombert> webber got a new contract
22:16 < E_mE[Stilgar> im kind of glad his goign, he never wins
22:16 < nfq> yeah, saw
22:16 < nfq> very cool
22:16 < Wombert> so RBR oughta be in good shape driver-wise
22:16 < nfq> well, he is a consumate pro
22:16 < nfq> yeah, I agree
22:17 < nfq> webber as been getting better and better
22:17 < Wombert> that is, unless vettel crashes into webber again when they are P2/P3 with a slow hamilton onP1...
22:17 < nfq> E_mE[Stilgar: nice, how's portugal weather?
22:17 < nfq> haha
22:17 < Wombert> yeah but hitting that glass ceiling where the RBR cannot compete anymore
22:17 < nfq> well, lets see
22:17 < E_mE[Stilgar> pretty damn warm, sun+sun+sun+sun
22:17 < E_mE[Stilgar> ;)
22:17 < nfq> I think vettel has huge promise
22:17 < nfq> E_mE[Stilgar: lucky you
22:17 < E_mE[Stilgar> anyway, i best head off to bed
22:17 < nfq> nighty night mate
22:17 < E_mE[Stilgar> you around tomorrow nfq?
22:18 < nfq> yeah, at some point for sure
22:18 < MikeSeth> wombaaaart
22:18 < nfq> afternoon I guess
22:18 < E_mE[Stilgar> cool, talk tomorrow, have good evening all :)
22:18 < Wombert> webber is a pro yeah... hear pundits praising him for his consistent driving etc all the time but
22:18 < nfq> nighty night
22:18 < Wombert> otoh, he's a bit... mmh...
22:18 < Wombert> not crazy nuff or anything. boring, I might say
22:18 < nfq> well, vettel and web, good.. experience and passion
22:18 < nfq> could combo
22:19 < Wombert> he either needs an 18yo girlfriend and start drinking and smacking up other drivers
22:19 < MikeSeth> I need both
22:19 < Wombert> or a seat with one of the top teams
22:19 < MikeSeth> Wombert: PM
22:19 < Wombert> otherwise nobody will take notice
22:19 < nfq> I think vettel is going to be up there with ham and kubica soon
22:19 < Wombert> :>
22:19 < Wombert> yeah but only if newey can build a good car for 2k9...
22:19 < nfq> hahah.. MikeSeth, me too
22:19 < nfq> I think newey will
22:19 < Wombert> the KERS is coming 2010 right?
22:19 < nfq> 2008 version was great anyway
22:19 < Wombert> or 2009?
22:20 < nfq> not sure to be honest
22:20 < Wombert> I heard blah blah bout tests
22:20 < nfq> Redbull have had a good year I think
22:20 < nfq> will be fourht
22:20 < nfq> fourth
22:20 < Wombert> yeah
22:20 < Wombert> hope so
22:20 < Wombert> which, otoh, is sad for williams
22:20 < nfq> me too
22:20 < nfq> true dat
22:20 < nfq> fuck ferrari
22:20 < Wombert> I like RBR a bit better tho. just because they're slightly bonkers :>
22:20 < Wombert> yeah screw em
22:20 < Wombert> and mclaren for that matter
22:21 < Wombert> stupid dennis
22:21 < nfq> RBR are great for that reason
22:21 < nfq> the bonkersness
22:21 < Wombert> throw them out is what I say and let bmw et al battle it out
22:21 < Wombert> yeah but remember the times when they had superman or star wars overalls
22:21 < nfq> I am a huge dennis fan
22:21 < nfq> but yeah
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22:21 < nfq> we've talked about this before
22:21 < nfq> ah, yes
22:21 < nfq> DC in monaco
22:21 < nfq> with a superman cape
22:22 < Wombert> yeah and season before, again monaco, pit crew with stormtrooper helmets :>
22:22 < nfq> anyway, Wombert I should get back to Christine..  Speak tomorrow.. I'll call you at some point in the afternoon if that's cool
22:22 < nfq> haha.. that was funny
22:23 < Wombert> mmh
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22:36 < MikeSeth> http://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/mvc-vs-pac THIS IS GOD
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23:04 < Wombert> although I do disagree
23:04 < Wombert> the controller can pull data from the model just for display
23:04 < Wombert> that does make sense
23:04 < Wombert> like if your view has variants
23:04 < Wombert> otherwise you duplicate code in teh view
23:05 < Wombert> (which, otoh, you could do in a convenience method)
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05:00 < v-dogg> huomenta
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05:32 < _cheerios> huomenta
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07:05 < _cheerios> http://www.elektroni.fi/?product=7799 these look nice
07:06 < _cheerios> hate it that on amazon $236, in finland 469e! taxes x_X
07:08 < Wombert_> finlux :>>>>
07:08 < Wombert_> finnsat :>>>>
07:08  * Wombert_ pets
07:08 < _cheerios> i do wonder how much it'd be if ordered from there. $236 + $60 S&H = 188e +  ??? taxes. Could still be a lot less than 469 (+30e s&h within finland)
07:11 < _cheerios> wombert: know any german online stores that carry speakers?
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07:14 < _cheerios> hmm, customs would take VAT 22% + 3,5% handling, that's 41,36 + 6,58 ~ 48e. it'd still be only 238e. big difference to 469e...
07:18 < E_mE> huomenta
07:19 < E_mE> _cheerios: five finger discount is exempt of tax ;)
07:19 < Wombert_> http://geizhals.at/eu/
07:20 < _cheerios> wombert, thanks. the same yamaha ns-777 304,95 in that place
07:21 < Wombert_> it's a price comparison page
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07:21 < Wombert> not sure if any of the dealers ships to finland
07:22 < _cheerios> http://www.elektroshopwagner.de/product_info.php/info/p110524?utm_campaign=geizhalsat_110524&utm_source=geizhalsat&utm_medium=preissuchmaschine&utm_content=textanzeige&campaign=geizhalsat
07:22 < _cheerios> they list finnland in versandkosten page, atleast
07:31 < Wombert> yup true
07:32 < _cheerios> so ~250e from states, ~350e from germany and ~499e from finland
07:33 < _cheerios> warped, given the household income is reverse in comparison to the prices. :)
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08:43 < LBO_> how guys is there i nice elegant way to get all roles from rbac_definitions.xml?
08:43 < LBO_> There should be Hi guys*
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10:00 < MerlinDMC> LBO_, i dont know much about it but ... in loadDefinitions() of AgaviRbacSecurityUser the configuration cache is used to generate a cache file with array definition out of that xml file ... use that, include the file and read out the array keys?
10:02 < MerlinDMC> or extend AgaviRbacSecurityUser and get the data out of the definitions attribute
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10:07 < Wombert> the rbac implemetation is notsupposed to expose roles really
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10:20 < Flukey> on subversion command line how can i commit under a different user?
10:25 < Wombert> --username
10:28 < Flukey> svn commit --username test -m "Hello tester1" ?
10:32 < Wombert> Flukey: "svn help" is your friend
10:37 < Flukey> thanks Wombert 
11:03 < Wombert> happy independence day, impl!
11:04 < impl> USA! USA!
11:04 < Wombert> :)
11:27 < LBO_> Wombert: yeah. maybe its not - but somehow i want to get all roles when creating user
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12:49 < CIA-5> impl * r2573 /branches/impl-build_system/build/ (9 files in 5 dirs): 
12:49 < CIA-5> branches/impl-build_system (refs #689):
12:49 < CIA-5> - Move Properties type (abstract) and Property type out of Writeproperties task
12:49 < CIA-5> - Add tasks: execute-target and iterate
12:49 < CIA-5> - Add targets: action-wizard (also available as action) and view-template-create
12:49 < CIA-5> - Remove initialize target and place its functionality in the main buildfile context
12:49 < CIA-5> - Bugfixes
12:50 < CIA-5> impl * r2574 /branches/impl-build_system/build/phing/org/agavi/build/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add svn:keywords Id
12:54  * Wombert pets impl 
12:55  * impl stabs phing
12:55 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/impl-build_system/build/phing/org/agavi/build/tasks/AgaviExecutetargetTask.php?rev=2573#L67
12:55 < impl> >:O
12:55 < shoan> it looked more like you were doing phing :p
12:56 < Wombert> 105	            /* Fuck. */
12:56 < Wombert> lolo
12:57 < impl> there is similar code in the ProxyTarget class too :(
12:57 < shoan> Trac detected an internal error:
12:57 < impl> shoan: just keep refreshing
12:57 < impl> :x
12:57 < Wombert> fixd
13:06 < CIA-5> impl * r2575 /branches/impl-build_system/build/ (3 files in 2 dirs): branches/impl-build_system (refs #689): Refactor a check
13:06 < Flukey> it's my birthday today :P
13:06 < Wombert> happy birthday then Flukey 
13:06 < impl> Cool, happy birthday :>
13:06 < impl> America salutes you!
13:06 < Flukey> Much oblidged :P
13:06 < Wombert> lulz
13:07 < impl> ah fuck
13:07 < impl> fucking typoes
13:07 < Flukey> Does everyone go out drinking on independence day?
13:09 < CIA-5> impl * r2576 /branches/impl-build_system/build/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ...and fix that commit
13:09 < impl> that was pretty bad :x
13:11 < impl> Flukey: Not 'go out' per se
13:11 < impl> Flukey: more like backyard parties and barbecuing
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15:11 < impl> are users allowed to define their own <system_action>s?
15:20 < _cheerios> hmm. TV 600-1500e, a/v amplifier 200-500e, front speakers 300-500e. this is a paycheck sink. x_X
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15:45 < ttj> Haven't even turned my TV on in over a week...
15:46 < impl> alright, guise. user input needed: when creating a new project with the wizard (similar to the current `agavi project'), should it prompt for the module and action name for each of the system actions, or should it just prompt for a module directory and shove everything into it automagically?
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15:55 < v-dogg> impl: I quite often use a different Errors module for 404, Secure etc. and Login might be in Admin module, Index in Default and so on
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16:07 < marklar|omni> ohai
16:07 < marklar|omni> sp3 restored
16:18 < impl> v-dogg: yeah, okay. I figured that was common behavior, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one
16:19 < impl> btw does anyone besides David care about WelcomeToAgaviAction? :xxx
16:29 < E_mE> wats the keymap for uncommenting text in emacs?
16:30 < E_mE> ive made a mark set
16:30 < E_mE> but mistakening commented a whole
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16:41 < Whisller> hi
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16:59 < EGreg> hey all
17:08 < _cheerios> hello
17:12 < v-dogg> impl: I think the Welcome action is a nice thing to have for newbies
17:13 < v-dogg> but could we make it optional or have an easy way to get rid of it ?-)
17:13 < v-dogg> not that it's a big deal
17:13 < Wombert> LOLOLO
17:13 < EGreg> www.luckyapps.com
17:14 < Wombert> :>>>>>>
17:14 < EGreg> has a welcome action :)
17:14 < Wombert> well
17:14 < Wombert> v-dogg: 
17:14 < Wombert> I think we need the current wizards
17:14 < Wombert> they are important for new users
17:14 < Wombert> we can say "type 'agavi project', hit return till infinity ,done"
17:15 < Wombert> http://blog.wombert.de/post/40987178
17:15 < Wombert> :>
17:15 < v-dogg> definitely
17:16 < v-dogg> haha
17:16 < Wombert> so my idea was
17:16 < Wombert> project-wizard
17:16 < Wombert> calls "project" internally, then some foo-wizard
17:16 < Wombert> and so on
17:16 < Wombert> module-wizard calls module. then action-wizard in a loop (which gets handed the module name)
17:17 < Wombert> etc etc
17:17 < impl> well all the wizards call each other
17:17 < impl> magically
17:17 < impl> already
17:17 < Wombert> cool-o
17:17  * Wombert pets impl 
17:17 < impl> I just don't like project-wizard
17:17 < Wombert> but we need those!
17:17 < _cheerios> heh @ img
17:17 < Wombert> well you can make a project-skeleton, too
17:17 < impl> or module-wizard, it isn't working right at all
17:17 < Wombert> though that's prolly what "project-create" does anyway
17:17 < impl> noo the buildfile is already like 1100 lines
17:18 < v-dogg> haha
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17:24 < Wombert> bai guise
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18:13 < MikeSeth> impl: poek
18:13 < MikeSeth> impl: I just did agavi project-create
18:13 < MikeSeth> and pub/ is empty
18:13 < MikeSeth> is that by design?
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18:15 < MikeSeth> can I bug you some more about SetEnv and the environment names?
18:16 < MikeSeth> I'm almost done with the set up chapter of the tutorial
18:18 < MikeSeth> Wombert
18:18 < MikeSeth> Wombert
18:18 < MikeSeth> Wombert
18:18 < MikeSeth> lol 
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18:21 < Wombert> I wouldn't do that
18:21 < Wombert> its a beginners tutorial... no need for this complicated stuff
18:21 < MikeSeth> Wombert: I'm doing it pretty detailed
18:21 < Wombert> you can do a SetEnv and read that in a later chapter
18:21 < MikeSeth> Wombert: thats more or less how it works
18:22 < MikeSeth> Wombert: impl's build scripts made an empty pub/ for some reason :<
18:22 < Wombert> its enough if he/she bootstraps "development" in the beginning
18:22 < Wombert> yeah they're not 100% done I think :<
18:22 < Wombert> I believe I need to go over his code templates, too... I think he copied them before that cleanup change I did some weeks ago
18:23 < Wombert> you can always explain automatic env bootstrapping with setenv in a later chapter
18:23 < MikeSeth> Yeah I will
18:23 < Wombert> it's not necessary for understanding stuff in the beginning
18:23 < MikeSeth> but what will be the final index.php in 1.0?
18:23 < MikeSeth> ill just leave this for now
18:23 < Wombert> the same as it is now
18:23 < MikeSeth> oh
18:23 < MikeSeth> so the environment is just set to development in index.php?
18:27 < Wombert> yeah
18:27 < Wombert> you could tell them to bootstrap development-yourname right away
18:27 < Wombert> just in case they'll ever work with others
18:27 < Wombert> but that's also good for a separate chapter
18:28 < Wombert> "working in a team and deploying to a production environment" or so
18:28 < Wombert> I mean
18:28 < Wombert> no need to tell all the good stuff right away huh? ;)
18:29 < Wombert> also... less is more in case of a tutorial I guess.. the shorter the setup chapter, the better, since people can get started right away
18:34 < MikeSeth> it's 2-3 pages
18:34 < MikeSeth> I'll zip up a draft later tonight
18:35 < MikeSeth> also if you have any specific visual layout/design in mind this would be a good time to tell me about it
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18:43 < _cheerios> garr, new naruto not subbed yet! tha pain!
18:44 < MikeSeth> Naruto?
18:44 < MikeSeth> You?
18:44  * MikeSeth hides
18:48 < _cheerios> naruto is gold, crazyguy!
18:48 < MikeSeth> wat
18:48 < MikeSeth> DIE
18:48 < MikeSeth> stab
18:48 < MikeSeth> HATE HATE HATE HATE
18:48 < MikeSeth> srsly Naruto sux
18:48 < MikeSeth> sorry :<
18:50 < _cheerios> you should appreciate the fine things in life :<
18:53 < MikeSeth> GitS SAC
18:56 < _cheerios> classic
19:10 < impl> MikeSeth: yea
19:10 < impl> MikeSeth: agavi public-web-create
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19:10 < impl> MikeSeth: incase you ever have something else that you want to put in pub/ besides web stuff
19:11 < impl> MikeSeth: ofc the wizard version just assumes you're making a websight
19:12 < EGreg> agavi rox
19:13 < Wombert> impl: yeah I was about to say
19:13 < Wombert> the project wizard should create that stuff :p
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19:15 < impl> Wombert: http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2008/07/04/image/238092_%5Bcc%5D%20iHam.png THIS IS WHAT I THINK OF THE ADVERTISING
19:15 < Wombert> AWESOME
19:15 < Wombert> IMMA BUY DIS
19:15 < Wombert> STEVE BROUGHT IT TO US KEKEK
19:16 < impl> ohyay
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20:50 < _cheerios> reading forums, reviews, browsing shops for a/v stuff takes forevah
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05:08 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:31 < _cheerios> \o/ http://www.noob.us/humor/patrick-stewart-is-a-pervert/
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09:24 < E_mE[Stilgar> _cheerios: you should watch the whole series of that programme its really really good :)
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12:59 < impl> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 39 bytes) in /usr/share/php/phing/Project.php on line 891
12:59 < impl> I win
13:00  * impl ponders how Phing is able to use 32MB of memory
13:02 < Wombert> webber!
13:02 < Wombert> woot!
13:03 < impl> webber?
13:04 < impl> otoh module-wizard works now... assuming it can use as much memory as it likes :~
13:04  * Wombert pets impl 
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13:31 < LBO_> huomenta
13:31 < LBO_> how getCredentials() can return 'credential1' OR 'credential2'?
13:35 < LBO_> got it! return array(array("credential1", "credential2"))
13:37 < _cheerios> i caved in and sold my soul to the local fitness club x_X
13:39 < _cheerios> for 24 cruel months...
13:47 < ttj> Ouch.
13:48 < ttj> Thank god for the company gym; no need to pay for fitness clubs.
13:48 < ttj> Ok, time to go get lost in Kannelmäki, wherever that is...
13:52 < impl> ohmygod
13:52  * impl stabs phing
13:52  * impl stabs phing
13:54 < _cheerios> ttj: 71e/mo to battle the ever so handsome beer belly
13:55 < impl> D:
13:55 < impl> That's pretty expensive
13:56 < _cheerios> that's... finland
13:56 < impl> mh :)
13:56 < _cheerios> we were ranked 3rd most expensive place to live in some recent survey
13:57 < _cheerios> not sure what they measured, atleast cost of food was one
13:58 < impl> damn ;o
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14:31 < MiNiMEE> morning
14:33 < MiNiMEE>  = Huomenta!!
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15:07 < MikeSeth> om nom nom
15:12 < MikeSeth> umm
15:12  * MikeSeth pokes impl 
15:12 < impl> hai
15:16 < _cheerios> naruto sub is delayed due july4th holiday weekend. fucking usa :(
15:18 < _cheerios> germans have some hitler complex http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/999068.html
15:19 < MikeSeth> impl: something strange srsly
15:19 < impl> MikeSeth: mh?
15:19 < MikeSeth> impl: when i try to create a new project the build fails with "Agavi project already exists"
15:19 < impl> MikeSeth: are you already inside a project directory?
15:19 < MikeSeth> impl: does it travel up the path to look for properties file etc?
15:19 < MikeSeth> impl: no
15:20 < impl> um
15:20 < impl> What does it say the directory is?
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15:20 < impl> the check is for the existence of app, pub, and app/config.php
15:21 < MikeSeth> shit stupid windows
15:21 < MikeSeth> one sec
15:21 < MikeSeth> impl: does it travel up the path?
15:21 < impl> yeah
15:21 < MikeSeth> maybe I littered there or something
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15:22 < MikeSeth> uh I just tried in c:\adsasdasd
15:22 < MikeSeth> same result O_O
15:22 < impl> where does it think the project directory is?
15:22 < impl> I have not tested the script on Windows at all
15:23 < MikeSeth> .
15:23 < MikeSeth> well wait lemme verify
15:23 < MikeSeth> durrr
15:23 < Wombert_> don't check for app/config.php, impl 
15:23 < Wombert_> app and pub oughta be enough
15:23 < Wombert_> :S
15:24 < MikeSeth>     [error] C:\dev\impl-buildsystem\build\build.xml:274:19: Agavi project alread
15:24 < MikeSeth> y exists in C:\dev\impl-buildsystem\build
15:24 < MikeSeth> is *that* the path?
15:24 < impl> uhh
15:24 < MikeSeth> I must've broken the build script
15:24 < Wombert_> fale
15:24 < Wombert_> <:
15:24 < MikeSeth> OH
15:24 < impl> meh wtf
15:24 < MikeSeth> I see what I did thar.
15:25 < MikeSeth>  <property name="agavi.directory" value="C:\dev\impl-buildsystem" />
15:25 < MikeSeth> windows is teh suck
15:25 < MikeSeth> it used to be @PEAR_PATH@ or something 
15:25 < impl> that shouldn't break that though :(
15:25 < impl> yeah
15:25 < MikeSeth> i edited it and forgot about it
15:25 < impl> but you don't have to edit it
15:25 < impl> because the agavi script sets it for you
15:26 < impl> $GLOBALS['PROPERTIES']['agavi.directory'] = AGAVI_DIRECTORY;
15:26 < impl> define('AGAVI_DIRECTORY', realpath(dirname(__FILE__) . '/../../..'));
15:26 < MikeSeth> jews did wtc
15:26 < MikeSeth> aha
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15:26 < impl> oh wait
15:26 < impl> you're on Windows
15:27 < impl> there isn't a magical launcher for the script yet :x
15:27 < impl> I dunno if it works
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15:27 < MikeSeth> LOL 
15:27 < MikeSeth> I fail
15:28 < MikeSeth> i accidentally created the application *inside* the source tree
15:30 < impl> :s
15:30 < impl> it should never look for anything there anyway
15:30 < impl> It should re-base everything to your current working directory
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15:31 < MikeSeth> well
15:31 < MikeSeth> I fixed it
15:31 < MikeSeth> now I create a blank application
15:31 < impl> yar
15:31 < MikeSeth> looks like the include path is miscalculated somewhere
15:32 < MikeSeth> um.. in index.php
15:32 < MikeSeth> Fatal error: require() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'C:\dev\impl-buildsystem/agavi.php' (include_path='.;C:\xampp\php\pear\;C:\xampp\php\PEAR\Doctrine\lib') in C:\dev\agavi-dita\tutorial\demoapp\pub\index.php on line 6
15:32 < impl> oh, oops
15:32 < MikeSeth> it should actually go to src/
15:32 < impl> yeah
15:32 < MikeSeth> can be a screw in my settings?
15:33 < impl> no
15:33 < impl> it's my problem
15:33 < impl> one second
15:33 < MikeSeth> <3
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15:34 < impl> man I wish there was better branching in svn
15:34 < impl> blah
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15:38 < MikeSeth> so should i take a break for now?
15:38 < CIA-5> impl * r2577 /branches/impl-build_system/build/ (20 files in 15 dirs): 
15:38 < CIA-5> branches/impl-build_system (refs #689):
15:38 < CIA-5> - Add tasks: available, write-configuration
15:38 < CIA-5> - Add targets: module-wizard (also available as module)
15:38 < CIA-5> - Work on project-wizard
15:38 < CIA-5> - Restructure defaults templates directory
15:38 < CIA-5> - Bugfixes
15:39 < impl> no, just don't try project-wizard yet
15:39 < impl> because it will fuck shit up yo
15:39 < impl> oh, there's also a project-configuration-set-system-action target now
15:40 < MikeSeth> i didnt
15:40 < MikeSeth> I used project-create
15:41 < MikeSeth> so tell me when to up?
15:41 < impl> You can now
15:41 < impl> that problem is fixed
15:41 < MikeSeth> rgr
15:41 < impl> oh argh
15:41 < impl> debug craps
15:41 < MikeSeth> haha
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15:42 < CIA-5> impl * r2578 /branches/impl-build_system/build/build.xml: Remove debugging garbage
15:47 < MikeSeth> impl: I think autoload.xml is also generated incorrectly
15:47 < MikeSeth> Fatal error: Configuration file "C:/dev/agavi-dita/tutorial/demoapp/app/config/autoload.xml" specifies class "BlogBaseAction" with nonexistent or unreadable file "C:\dev\agavi-dita\tutorial\demoapp\app/lib/action/BlogBaseAction.class.php" in C:\dev\impl-buildsystem\src\core\Agavi.class.php on line 63
15:48 < MikeSeth> the files are in lib/Blogaction and not lib/action
15:48 < impl> lol, what
15:48 < impl> They should be in lib/action :\
15:48 < MikeSeth> it generates folders using the prefix
15:48 < impl> What is the filename?
15:49 < MikeSeth> of what? O_O
15:49 < impl> of the base action
15:49 < impl> and what version of phing are you using?
15:49 < impl> I think the mapper is fucking up
15:49 < MikeSeth> lib/Blogaction/BaseAction.class.php
15:49 < impl> yeah, that should be lib/action/BlogBaseAction.class.php
15:50 < MikeSeth> will you look into this?
15:50 < impl> What version of phing are you using?
15:50 < MikeSeth> 2.3.1RC1
15:50 < impl> It works fine for me
15:50 < impl> % ls foo12/app/lib/action
15:50 < impl> Winnar12BaseAction.class.php
15:50 < MikeSeth> hrrrr
15:50 < impl> hold on let me find the regex
15:51 < impl> <copy todir="${project.directory}/${project.directory.app.lib}">
15:51 < impl> 			<mapper type="regexp" from="^(.+\/)?(.+)\.tmpl$" to="\1/${project.prefix}\2" />
15:51 < impl> ah
15:52 < impl> because Windows uses BACKSLASHES
15:52 < impl> CUNTS
15:52 < MikeSeth> OH LAWD
15:52 < MikeSeth> at least there's SOMETHING good about me using windows
15:53 < impl> MikeSeth: can you try replacing that \/ with (?:\/|\\) everywhere in the build file
15:53 < impl> (just look for type="regexp")
15:53 < impl> and tell me if that fixes it
15:53 < MikeSeth> you mean in mappers?
15:53 < MikeSeth> sec
15:53 < impl> Yeah
15:54 < impl> Phing's filesystem shit should normalize this :(
15:56 < impl> actually, [\\\/] would probably be better/nicer looking
15:56 < impl> should be equivalent though
16:00 < MikeSeth> oh
16:00 < MikeSeth> now its even more interesting
16:00 < MikeSeth> XML Schema validation of configuration file "C:/dev/agavi-dita/tutorial/demoapp/app/config/settings.xml" failed due to the following errors: 
16:00 < MikeSeth> Line 8: Element '{http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config}module': [facet 'pattern'] The value '' is not accepted by the pattern '[a-zA-Z_\p{IsLatin-1Supplement}][a-zA-Z0-9_\p{IsLatin-1Supplement}]*'.
16:00 < MikeSeth> something is empty in settings.xml and shouldn't be
16:01 < MikeSeth> <system_action name="default">
16:01 < MikeSeth> 				<module></module>
16:01 < MikeSeth> 				<action></action>
16:01 < MikeSeth> 			</system_action>
16:01 < MikeSeth> dam
16:01 < MikeSeth> create-project does not create any default actions right?
16:03 < impl> no
16:03 < MikeSeth> then its not a good venue for a tutorial
16:03 < MikeSeth> is there a default/sample set of templates?
16:03 < MikeSeth> because I dont wanna dedicate an entire chapter to setting up default actions etc
16:03 < impl> there will be as soon as I finish project-wizard
16:03 < impl> yeah of course
16:05 < impl> MikeSeth: you can set a default action using agavi project-configuration-set-system-action though, just so you know
16:05 < impl> er
16:05 < impl> s/default/system/
16:06 < MikeSeth> !!!
16:06 < Wombert_> yeah but wait for project-wizard :p
16:07 < impl> but project-configuration-set-system-action is cool :(
16:07 < Wombert_> shouldn't it be system-action-set :p
16:07 < impl> no
16:07 < impl> system- is for build system stuff
16:07 < impl> 		<agavi.write-configuration file="${project.directory}/${project.directory.app.config}/settings.xml" path="/agavi:configurations/agavi:configuration/agavi:system_actions/agavi:system_action[@name='${system-action.name}']/agavi:module" value="${module.name}" />
16:07 < impl> 		<agavi.write-configuration file="${project.directory}/${project.directory.app.config}/settings.xml" path="/agavi:configurations/agavi:configuration/agavi:system_actions/agavi:system_action[@name='${system-action.name}']/agavi:action" value="${action.name}" />
16:08 < MikeSeth> FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP
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16:16 < MikeSeth> oh
16:16 < MikeSeth> um
16:17 < MikeSeth> Fatal error: Class name must be a valid object or a string in C:\dev\impl-buildsystem\src\controller\AgaviController.class.php on line 370
16:17 < MikeSeth> mmmm
16:17 < impl> uuuh
16:17 < MikeSeth> ah
16:17 < MikeSeth> lol
16:18 < MikeSeth> I used action-create
16:18 < MikeSeth> it doesnt create views
16:18 < impl> yeah
16:18 < impl> action-wizard will
16:18 < impl> module-wizard and action-wizard should both work fine now
16:19 < MikeSeth> rgr
16:20 < MikeSeth> Though Agavi should be patched to throw specific errors when an action/view is missing
16:20 < impl> yeah, prolly
16:20 < impl> I thought it usually does
16:20 < MikeSeth> wow the new buildsystem is like 10 times faster than the old one 
16:22 < impl> it's faster? wat
16:22 < MikeSeth> impl: also, the created routing.xml contains a route for WelcomeBonusAction
16:22 < impl> Yeah I haven't fixed that crap yet
16:23 < MikeSeth> ostensibl
16:23 < impl> it will be right after project-wizard is done
16:23 < MikeSeth> maybe its just new phoing
16:23 < impl> I would expect it to be 10x slower :P
16:23 < impl> it uses like 50x as much memory
16:24 < MikeSeth> dunno its ostensibly faster
16:24 < MikeSeth> maybe because of new phing
16:24 < impl> yeah, I guess
16:24 < MikeSeth> i've worked with the one that I installed with first 0.11 branch
16:24 < MikeSeth> now this requires some IDE integration
16:25 < MikeSeth> impl: is it easy to hack the phing shell to accept all requested values from outside/command line and output only relevant results if any? 
16:25 < MikeSeth> e.g. no interactive questions
16:26 < MikeSeth> though i could prolly do away with interactive questions too
16:26 < impl> the entire thing is wrapped
16:26 < impl> the only place where there is a possibly for interactive questions is in the wizards
16:26 < impl> otherwise you can do
16:26 < impl> agavi -D project.directory /path/to/project -D module.name Foo module-create
16:26 < impl> no questions asked, it'll just make it
16:26 < MikeSeth> awesome
16:26 < MikeSeth> then I can get full emacs integration
16:27 < impl> lawl :D
16:27 < MikeSeth> can it return e.g. lists of actions?
16:27 < impl> not yet
16:27 < MikeSeth> is it going to?
16:27 < impl> It would be trivial to add that, I think
16:27 < MikeSeth> well
16:27 < MikeSeth> ide integration would require that
16:28 < MikeSeth> and stuff like agavi-identify-source-file action Index module Foo 
16:28 < MikeSeth> etc
16:28 < MikeSeth> but screw this ill figure out how to do basic stuff in emacs first
16:28 < impl> ah
16:28 < impl> well just so you know
16:28 < impl> you can write your own targets etec
16:28 < impl> etc*
16:28 < impl> just throw them in your project's build.xml
16:29 < impl> then agavi your-custom-target-name
16:29 < impl> it'll work
16:29 < MikeSeth> dear god 
16:29 < MikeSeth> my flatmate's mom is strange
16:34 < impl> MikeSeth: actually doing the identify source file one is incredibly simple, just do <target name="identify-source-file" depends="action-locate"><echo message="${action.file}" /></target>
16:35 < impl> agavi -D module.name Foo -D action.name Bar identify-source-file
16:35 < impl> should just work :>
16:35 < MikeSeth> :D
16:36 < Wombert_> LIKE A MAC????
16:36  * impl slaps Wombert_ 
16:43 < _cheerios> LIKE COMPUTERS I ASSEMBLE
16:47 < MikeSeth> LIKE THE SLAVES I HA
16:47 < MikeSeth> wait
16:47 < MikeSeth> nvm
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17:05 < _cheerios> ttj, v-dogg: do you guys subscribe to some HD content? welho HD or canal+ ? The standard yle/mtv stuff looks pretty poor.
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17:11 < _cheerios> http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08095/dsci1013154.jpg
17:28 < impl> Is she wearing a tarp for pants?
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17:37 < MikeSeth> hm
17:37 < MikeSeth> i realized i need to keep copies of all tutorial stages
17:37 < MikeSeth> O_O
17:37 < MikeSeth> dis is gonna be fun to set up
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17:59 < Wombert_> MikeSeth: svn repos + tags
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19:51 < _cheerios> http://raphaelstolt.blogspot.com/2008/07/six-valuable-phing-build-file.html
19:54 < _cheerios> didn't read it, but it's about phing = somewhat relevant.. maybe for impl :p
19:57 < impl> Wombert pasted it to me earlier
19:57 < impl> it doesn't help much when you try to do weird things :>
19:58 < impl> but thanks
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22:08 < Whisller> Little question about apache, mod rewrite should be on list when I'm using httpd -L command?
22:08 < Whisller> If is enabled?
22:11 < Wombert> ...
22:11 < Wombert>   -t -D DUMP_MODULES : show all loaded modules 
22:11 < Wombert> httpd -h
22:11 < Wombert> is your friend
22:15 < Whisller> ohh thanks :
22:15 < Whisller> :)
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22:32 < sikkle> MikeSeth: ping
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06:25 < MikeSeth> o hai
06:53 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:58 < MikeSeth> huomenta
07:04 < MikeSeth> impl: what version of Agavi is in your branch?
07:04 < MikeSeth> are there any special changes in the source to accommodate for the new build system?
07:04 < MikeSeth> btw guise
07:04 < MikeSeth> the new build system is kick ass awesome
07:04 < MikeSeth> JFYI.
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08:03 < _cheerios> huomenta!
08:27 < liutis> huomenta
08:59 < MikeSeth> ha
08:59 < MikeSeth> nice
08:59 < MikeSeth> development mode
08:59 < MikeSeth> <RemoteBot 'bot1' (uname=remotebot)> Request took 8.67763590813 sec
08:59 < MikeSeth> production mode
09:00 < MikeSeth> <RemoteBot 'bot1' (uname=remotebot)> Request took 0.886656045914 sec
09:00 < MikeSeth> <3 Agavi <3 <3 <3 <3
09:00 < MikeSeth> AMIRITE GUISE?!
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10:07 < liutis> for egz images uploaded with inputs which has name="imgfile[]" can i set validation on all imgfile's i dont like to write imgfile1. imgfile2, ...
10:07 < liutis> in xml file
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10:17 < MikeSeth> wombert
10:17 < MikeSeth> 08:54 <MikeSeth> development mode
10:17 < MikeSeth> 08:55 <MikeSeth> <RemoteBot 'bot1' (uname=remotebot)> Request took 8.67763590813 sec
10:17 < MikeSeth> 08:55 <MikeSeth> production mode
10:17 < MikeSeth> 08:55 <MikeSeth> <RemoteBot 'bot1' (uname=remotebot)> Request took 0.886656045914 sec
10:17 < MikeSeth> 08:55 <MikeSeth> <3 Agavi <3 <3 <3 <3
10:17 < MikeSeth> :D
10:29 < stachu> liutis: <arguments base="imgfile[]"><argument></argument></arguments> or sth like that?
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10:57 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
11:01 < Wombert> huomenta MerlinDMC 
11:11 < marklar|omni> ohai2u
11:15 < marklar|omni> http://www.cafepress.com/obamashawarma
11:15 < marklar|omni> w-t-f
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11:28 < liutis> stachu, resolved that the same way, thanx
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11:40 < tc77> hi everybody!
11:42 < Wombert> huomenta tc77 
11:50 < marklar|omni> heh
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12:35 < MikeSeth> durrr
12:35 < marklar|omni> sup
12:35 < marklar|omni> http://www.cafepress.com/obamashawarma
12:40 < impl> MikeSeth: ohai
12:41 < impl> MikeSeth: the branch is on trunk/1.0, but it should work fine with 0.11 afaik
12:49 < impl> marklar|omni: haha, awesome :>
12:50 < impl> http://www.cafepress.com/obamashawarma.278474210 perfect :>
12:53 < marklar|omni> except its a picture of falafel
12:53 < marklar|omni> and not shawarma
12:53 < marklar|omni> but mka
12:53 < marklar|omni> y
12:55 < E_mE[Stilgar> had anyone used a Chat implementation in agavi?
12:55 < E_mE[Stilgar> such as Ajax chat or so?
12:57 < MikeSeth> impl: nice
12:58 < MikeSeth> first two chapters of the tutorial will be ready soon
13:07 < marklar|omni> examples better be in lolcode
13:09 < impl> MikeSeth: even without project-wizard? ;o
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13:15 < MikeSeth> impl: yeah, I'll update it when the time comes
13:15 < impl> alright
13:15 < MikeSeth> impl: I basically made a list of topics, sorted them by complexity and split the chapters into e.g. 5 topics per chapter
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14:56 < marklar|omni> :<
14:56 < MikeSeth> :<
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15:15 < _cheerios> puuh
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15:33 < _cheerios> steal stun gun from police car, take turns with your pops tazing each other, post it all on youtube, and eventually get 2 years in jail. // not sure what category to put this on :)
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15:44 < _cheerios> oi. fed is losing to nadal.
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16:42 < Fou4th> hi all, maybe I ask stupid question, but how can I realize output of tree-like data? tree of nested blog post comments, for example.
16:50 < v-dogg> propel has a nested sets implementation
16:50 < v-dogg> umm.. wait
16:50 < v-dogg> what do you want?-)
16:53 < Fou4th> mm
16:53 < Fou4th> I want to organize views, templates, slots etc to draw tree of comments
16:55 < Fou4th> write single view (like CommentSuccessView) that displays single comment, write something else,..., PROFIT :)
17:03 < Fou4th> Also I want to cache comments rendering result and later pass it to the page template instead of re-rendering all comments.
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17:37 < _cheerios> what a game. i took a 1h nap and they're still at it. go fed!
17:57 < Wombert> Fou4th: hmm
17:58 < Wombert> you can do that, but I guess the important thing to do is pulling all comments at once in the post view
17:58 < Wombert> so all you'll end up doing is display some data, which a regular include() can do as well (and with less complexity)
18:00 < Wombert> in any case... its quite simple
18:01 < Wombert> make a ListComments action that takes an array of comments or whatever
18:01 < Wombert> then internally again calls that for sub-comments
18:01 < Wombert> simply register slots programmatically in a loop
18:01 < Wombert> give them random or sequential names
18:01 < Wombert> and output them in a loop in the template
18:02 < Wombert> careful, the $inner is in the $slots array, too, so compare $slot != $inner
18:04 < Wombert> which reminds me, I wanted to add a switch to disable that since $inner makes a whole lot more sense
18:27 < Fou4th> actually I don't understand how exactly slots work
18:28 < Fou4th> there is no info in the docs :(
18:30 < Fou4th> is there are any complex example of Agavi using?
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18:36 < _cheerios> Federer 4-6 4-6 7-6 (7-5) 7-6 (10-8) Nadal <--- intense
18:50 < impl> Wombert: dude, we should totally extend VirtualArrayPathWorstIdeaEver to slot names, too.
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19:34 < Wombert> impl: man!
19:34 < Wombert> good idea
19:34 < impl> :X
19:34 < Wombert> can virtual array path do appending?
19:34 < Wombert> so I can do lol[]
19:34 < Wombert> hmm
19:34 < impl> probably not
19:35 < Wombert> uh wait didn't we remove support for ints the other day
19:35 < Wombert> where is kaos
19:35 < Wombert> :<
19:35 < Wombert> lets dicuss that tomorrows
19:35 < Wombert> can you remind me
19:35 < impl> No, because I don't like VirtualArrayPath
19:35 < impl> :D
19:35 < impl> we will figure out a better way to do it
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20:08 < _cheerios> 4-6 4-6 7-6 (7-5) 7-6 (10-8) 7-7 // wish i could see this on tv, rather than watching the bbc webpage
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20:20 < _cheerios> nadal won :(
20:50  * Wombert pokes impl 
20:50  * impl pokes Wombert 
20:50 < Wombert> I need a good name for that setting
20:50 < Wombert> assign_inner_as_slot ?
20:50 < Wombert> assign_inner_in_slots?
20:50 < Wombert> meh
20:50 < Wombert> -in +to
20:50 < impl> register_inner_as_slot?
20:51 < Wombert> nah its not registering isit
20:51 < Wombert> setSlot() registers a slot for later execuiton
20:52 < impl> is 'inner' the real name for what inner is?
20:52 < Wombert> hm yeah
20:52 < Wombert> by default
20:52 < Wombert> $inner
20:52 < Wombert> should have been $previous in the first place maybe
20:52  * Wombert shrugs
20:53 < impl> Nah
20:53 < impl> inner makes more sense
20:53 < impl> I think
20:53 < impl> well, maybe not
20:53 < impl> I don't know. assign_inner_as_slot is fine, although a bit long
20:53 < impl> but that's nothing new
20:54 < Wombert> depends on whether you look at it as a stack, or as a... hmmm... onion :>
20:54 < Wombert> should this go into 0.11.3 with default on and then default off in 1.0?
20:54 < Wombert> maybe better huh?
20:54 < impl> if you want, sure
20:54 < Wombert> okay then
20:55 < Wombert> will do that after 0.11.2
20:55 < Wombert> which we could roll tomorrow I guess
20:55 < impl> okay
20:55  * Wombert goes change teh tickets
20:56 < Wombert> oh and there was something with the config handlers schema...
20:56 < Wombert> or the handler
20:56 < Wombert> if <handlers> was empty or missing, the handler threw an foreach argument error
20:57 < Wombert> we could make that <config_handlers> anyway for 1.0...
21:13 < Wombert> impl: the xml config parser
21:14 < impl> ?
21:14 < Wombert> now sets an attribute called "matched"
21:14 < Wombert> on <configuration> elements where env/ctx attribs match the current env/ctx
21:14 < Wombert> that a good name?
21:14 < Wombert> its in a namespace
21:14 < Wombert> right now, in the envelope namespace
21:14 < impl> Sounds fine to me
21:14 < Wombert> i.e. <configuration environment="..." context="..." agavi:matched="true">
21:14 < impl> aye
21:15 < Wombert> ns should be different maybe
21:15 < Wombert> <configuration> is in that ns, too
21:15 < Wombert> ...
21:15 < impl> lawl
21:15 < impl> You need a meta-configuration namespace :P
21:15 < Wombert> yeah we do actually :>
21:15 < impl> meta:matched="true"
21:16 < Wombert> or put it in no ns
21:16  * Wombert ponders
21:16 < impl> nah, always good to have a NS
21:17 < Wombert> will ponder that tomorrow
21:17 < Wombert> now top gear, then zZzZzZz
21:17 < impl> okei, bai2u
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21:19 < MikeSeth> ah
21:19 < MikeSeth> i missed wombart
21:19 < MikeSeth> impl: his email is dz@bitxtender.com right?
21:19 < MikeSeth> oh hurr
21:19 < MikeSeth> it aint 
21:19 < impl> david.zuelke@bitextender.com
21:20 < MikeSeth> yeah figured out already
21:20 < MikeSeth> want a draft copy of tutorial?
21:20 < MikeSeth> first two chapters, no source code
21:20 < MikeSeth> email plz
21:20 < impl> noah.fontes@bitextender.com :P
21:21 < MikeSeth> can has omg.jews@bitextender.com?
21:21 < MikeSeth> didnt think so
21:21 < MikeSeth> :P
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21:37 < impl> I don't have access to any of the email stuff anyway
21:37 < impl> :>
21:54 < _cheerios> "there's a code, this is not europe" :D
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22:13 < __merlin> MikeSeth, is your tutorial draft online somewhere? :)
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22:26 < impl> MikeSeth: this looks like it will be win
22:28 < _cheerios> if you want crushing reviews cc to me
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04:20 < Wombert> huomenta!
04:21 < v-dogg> huomenta
04:23 < Wombert> man v-dogg, you are up early!
04:23 < Wombert> oh wait its 7 in weirdoland
04:23  * Wombert pets finland
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04:33 < CIA-5> david * r2579 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/config/xsd/default_tags.xsd: Allow attributes from any namespace on <configuration> nodes, refs #515
04:35 < CIA-5> david * r2580 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/config/xsd/routing.xsd: Allow any element from other namespaces in routing <configuration> elements, refs #515 and #795
04:38 < CIA-5> david * r2581 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/config/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Now setting "matched" attribute flags on appropriate <configuration> elements. And some cleanup. Refs #519, #710
04:39 < CIA-5> david * r2582 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/samples/app/config/config_handlers.xml: Cleanup for better testing
04:40 < CIA-5> david * r2583 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/ (samples/app/config/routing.xml src/routing/soap/wsdl.xsl): Updated wsdl.xsl to make use of new "matched" flag on <configuration> elements, refs #795, #710
04:53 < v-dogg> Wombert: actually our organic alarm decided that it was time to wake up at 6am
04:56 < Wombert> organic, v-dogg?
04:57 < Wombert> one of these watches that wake you up at the best moment?
04:58 < Wombert> there is also this headband that really measures your brain activity and then wakes you up, more reliably than those watches that simply look for movement patterns... 
04:58 < v-dogg> no, one of these little babies that wake you up at the worst moment and several times a night
04:58 < Wombert> anyways... is that what you hve, v-dogg?
04:58 < Wombert> LOL
04:58 < Wombert> :>>>>>
04:58  * Wombert pets v-dogg 
04:58 < Wombert> how old is she now
05:01 < v-dogg> 1y 2,5m
05:03 < v-dogg> 10.1 °C *chill*
05:03 < v-dogg> I was going to cycle to the office... hmm...
05:06 < Wombert> mh yeah same here :S
05:06 < Wombert> you could still cycle
05:06 < Wombert> you
05:06 < Wombert> re getting old and lazy and fat
05:06 < Wombert> you can use the workout
05:06 < Wombert> :>
05:06  * Wombert hugs v-dogg 
05:06 < v-dogg> you got that right :)
05:07 < Wombert> but, oh man, me too
05:07 < Wombert> so out of shape
05:07 < Wombert> not that I've ever been IN shape but...
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05:46 < _cheerios> huomenta
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06:02 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
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06:43 < marklar|omni> ohai2u
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07:13 < MikeSeth> hay guise
07:13 < MikeSeth> huomenta!
07:14 < MikeSeth> Wombert: did you see my draft?
07:14 < MikeSeth> impl: thx :>
07:14  * Wombert hugs MikeSeth 
07:14 < Wombert> ohai impl!
07:15 < marklar|omni> hi
07:26 < E_mE> huomenta!
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08:45 < digitarald> Huomenta!
08:46 < digitarald> mh ... why should tortoisesvn ask for auth data when I update agavi?
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09:09 < marklar|omni> ohaimaik
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09:19 < digitarald> WTH ... updating agavi and tortoise wants write access????
09:22 < v-dogg> what are you doing?-)
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09:32 < digitarald> right click ... update
09:35 < Wombert> did anyone find issues with 0.11.2rc2?
09:35 < Wombert> or can I roll a final release
09:36 < v-dogg> I'm going to upgrade a production server tonight, I'll let you know tomorrow ;)
09:37 < v-dogg> I've been running it in development a couple of days. no issues found
09:37 < Wombert> okay cool v-dogg 
09:37 < Wombert> should I wait till then? :p
09:38 < v-dogg> mind you, my projects are simple. you should break something fundamental to affect my apps :)
09:38 < digitarald> Wombert: updating now
09:38 < digitarald> ... can I have write access for svn? :D
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09:38 < Flukey> morning folks
09:38 < v-dogg> huomenta
09:39 < digitarald> strange, every other connect works
09:39 < digitarald> updates fine+
09:39 < v-dogg> re-checkout?
09:39 < Wombert> we changed the cert lately
09:39 < Wombert> not sure
09:41 < digitarald> re-checkouting
09:45 < impl> oh man
09:45 < impl> I gotta stop going to sleep at 3AM
09:48 < E_mE>  impl its healthy ;)
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09:58 < digitarald> still ... auth
10:00 < digitarald> is there another svn url than http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11 ?
10:01 < MikeSeth> what auth
10:01 < MikeSeth> no auth there
10:02 < marklar|omni> heh
10:02 < marklar|omni> mike
10:02 < marklar|omni> got a link that explains how a project should be managed within a source control system
10:02 < marklar|omni> something that frenchmen would understand
10:05 < digitarald> MikeSeth: tortoisesvn asks for write access when I simply want to checkput pr update agavi
10:05 < MikeSeth> build a sentry here
10:06 < MikeSeth> digitarald: strange it doesn nothing like that here
10:08 < digitarald> Its weird and I have no idea why it should ask me for write access
10:09 < digitarald> OPTIONS of 'http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11': authorization failed (http://svn.agavi.org)
10:09 < digitarald> for both, Update and Checkout
10:10 < MikeSeth> @_@
10:25 < shoan> digitarald: tortoisesvn sucks... get a mac :p
10:26 < digitarald> :,-(
10:26 < v-dogg> no no no, tortoisesvn rocks big time!
10:26 < v-dogg> when I can get it for Mac, I'll consider switching ;)
10:27 < digitarald> git++
10:27 < v-dogg> when I can get TortoiseGit, I'll consider switching ;)
10:27 < digitarald> right, that would be the only reason for me too
10:29 < Wombert> you probably have credentials entered
10:29 < Wombert> or, as I said, its because there's a new cert
10:29 < Wombert> you've been trying for almost two hours
10:29 < Wombert> ...
10:29 < Wombert> what about command line
10:31 < v-dogg> Wombert: did you write a script that scans the source and looks for ->_('string to be translated', '.domain') ?
10:31 < Wombert> v-dogg: #grammatista
10:31 < Wombert> :>
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11:15 < MikeSeth> durrr
11:15 < MikeSeth> sikkle: looked for me yesterday?
11:16 < sikkle> MikeSeth; yep, was looking around to see if you still workin fulltime for agavi
11:16 < MikeSeth> still? no I havent started yet
11:16 < MikeSeth> I do one day a week this month writing the tutorial
11:18 < sikkle> fair enough
11:18 < sikkle> that was what i was wondering
11:20 < MikeSeth> the tutorial will be ready soon
11:20 < MikeSeth> rejoice ;>
11:20 < sikkle> :)
11:20 < sikkle> will read that
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11:36 < _cheerios> naruto is out! \o/
11:38  * MikeSeth rubs decent anime into _cheerios's face
11:39 < _cheerios> what else is decent and recent. ive seen some of the better old stuff.
11:42 < marklar|omni> tentacle porn
11:43 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: Last Exile, Scrapped Princess, there's tons of good anime out there
11:50 < saracen_> Have you ever seen Elfen Lied?
11:50 < MikeSeth> no
11:51 < saracen_> I thought that was pretty good. A few are my friends are part of an anime sub group. They're currently doing Soul Eater, which seems pretty cool
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12:06 < nfq> E_mE: you there mate?
12:09 < _cheerios> elfen lied is a nice bloodbath
12:13 < MerlinDMC> _cheerios, "bloodbath" matches the whole story ... yes
12:14 < MerlinDMC> Elfen Lied was shown in cinema last month here
12:14 < MerlinDMC> but had no time to get there :/
12:15 < MikeSeth> saracen_: which group?
12:15  * MikeSeth used to be with AonE
12:16 < saracen_> MikeSeth: anime yoshi
12:18 < liutis> Wombert, if action is called with createForwardConta... why validation FPF not working? inputs dont have class="error"?
12:19 < liutis> FPF works just errors not occuring in input's
12:19 < Wombert> ah
12:19 < Wombert> because the new container's validation manager does not have the error information
12:20 < liutis> can it be resolved?
12:20 < liutis> somehow pass that info
12:27 < Wombert> hmmm
12:30 < liutis> just routing will look better with less count of routes, from db with callback i search for parameter Type and it has set ActionName, so i just forward to that action
12:31 < Wombert> why don't you simply set that action?
12:31 < Wombert> you get the container in onMatched() !
12:32 < liutis> because i can have 1 Route but it can Manage ~10 routes, and i think there will be about 3 Routes with callbacks and input forms
12:33 < liutis> so ~30 routes requires space in xml :)
12:35 < liutis> i got container in callback, and i have to forward from callback to that action or just set that container in requestdata
12:35 < Wombert> uh
12:35 < Wombert> no
12:36 < Wombert> you can do $container->setAction(...)
12:36 < liutis> ah 
12:39 < liutis> in callback i wrote: $container->setActionName('Myaction'); but it not working :/
12:40 < liutis> 404 err
12:41 < Wombert> uuuuuuh
12:42 < v-dogg> did you set the module name too?
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12:43 < Wombert> nah its...
12:43 < liutis> now yes but still 404
12:43 < MikeSeth> tits!
12:43  * Wombert sighs
12:44 < liutis> $container->setModuleName('Mano'); $container->setActionName('Lengvieji');  return true;
12:44 < liutis> not works
12:44 < Wombert> yeah. not possible
12:44 < Wombert> grrrr
12:45 < MikeSeth> Where's Ross? Havent seen him around lately
12:45 < digitarald> damn it ... "Agavi subversion repository write access"
12:46 < digitarald> when I update ... with subversion ç1.5
12:46 < MikeSeth> digitarald: you sure you dont need to clear a cache or antyhing?
12:46 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: funny, I was thinking about that just an hour ago or so
12:46 < digitarald> MikeSeth: tried commandline, tortoise and subclipse
12:47 < MikeSeth> digitarald: hmpf
12:47 < impl> o.O
12:47 < digitarald> I'll try again tomorrow
12:47 < digitarald> maybe its the ... weather
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12:48 < MikeSeth> durr
12:49  * Wombert ross defected to pythonland :<
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12:51 < Fou4th> hi again
12:52 < MikeSeth> oh hi
12:52 < MikeSeth> inb4 boat
12:52 < Fou4th> What's the meaning of layer/slot element from output_types.xml? Is it just a portion of html code which is rendered by specified action?
12:53 < Fou4th> 'layer/slot' - it is XPath-like notation, not ("slot or layer") :)
12:55 < v-dogg> slots are... mm.. actions
12:56 < v-dogg> like MenuAction
12:56 < Flukey> Is Chuckwalla the thing that does all the IRC Bot subversion commit messages etc.?
12:56 < Fou4th> interesting
12:56 < marklar|omni> no, we have a chinese boy for that
12:56 < impl> nah
12:56 < impl> that is http://cia.vc/
12:58 < Fou4th> rrrr, eclipse somtimes is very stupid
12:58 < Wombert> digitarald: fixed
12:59  * digitarald watches the scrolling update log
12:59 < impl> digitarald: thanks for letting us know
12:59 < digitarald> ... works, thanks a lot
12:59 < Wombert> yeah thanks
13:08 < MikeSeth> Fou4th: layers are buffers which a View sets up and a Renderer fills
13:08 < MikeSeth> Fou4th: a layer may have slots which contain other actions - the output of these actions is substituted for the slot value in the template
13:09 < MikeSeth> Fou4th: you can set up layers and slots from inside the view, or you can preload a configuration set from output_types.xml
13:09 < MikeSeth> A layer/slot configuration is called a layout
13:12 < MerlinDMC> hmm ... a question i forgot to ask yesterday :) for layer / slot configuration ... has a slot to be bound to one specific action or can i set the bound action for a slot for each module separately?
13:13 < Wombert> MerlinDMC: you can set it all at runtime of course
13:13 < Wombert> mind you a layout is just convenience
13:13 < MerlinDMC> Wombert, i din't find the methods yesterday (before visiting the cinema) ;)
13:13 < MikeSeth> MerlinDMC: you can also have proxy actions - actions that by themselves execute other actions in slots
13:14 < MikeSeth> the depth of available recursion is, well, as long as PHP doesnt crash :>
13:14 < MerlinDMC> hmm ... somewhere documentation (doesn't have to be complete ^^) for that?
13:15 < MerlinDMC> I'm currently in office and can't take a look at my agavi code :/
13:15 < MikeSeth> MerlinDMC: if there's no dox for that it will be there soon
13:17 < MerlinDMC> hmm ... then I'll have to wait a little longer :)
13:17 < Wombert> all a layout does
13:17 < MerlinDMC> or search myself some more time
13:17 < Wombert> is create layers
13:17 < MikeSeth> or you could just read the source code as I did :>
13:17 < Wombert> and slots
13:17 < Wombert> rom the definition
13:17 < Wombert> so after you loaded your layout
13:18 < Wombert> $this->getLayer('foo')->getSlot('bar')->setActionName('Baz');
13:18 < Wombert> etc
13:19 < MerlinDMC> an in main configuration i must add a default or dummy action to have a "complete" output_types.xml right?
13:19 < Wombert> I don't think so
13:20 < Wombert> and you can also add a slot programmatically
13:20 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/view/AgaviView.class.php#L304
13:21 < v-dogg> does it matter what openId provider I use? recommendations?
13:21 < MerlinDMC> hmm ... would be the better way :) the schema sets module and action attributes for slot to required afaik ... read somethinglike that yesterday
13:21 < Wombert> v-dogg: eh?
13:22 < v-dogg> "If you don't have an OpenID yet, here are a few which are generally recommended by various members of the community." 
13:22 < v-dogg> http://openid.net/get/
13:22 < Wombert> whoa
13:22 < MikeSeth> MerlinDMC: you cant declare a slot without assigning an action to it - that's meaningless
13:22 < Wombert> I just realized
13:22 < Wombert> layouts can have parameters <:
13:22 < v-dogg> claimid.com, myopenid.com etc.
13:22 < Wombert> they are returned by loadLayout()
13:22 < Wombert> when did I come up with that useless shit...
13:23 < MerlinDMC> Wombert, weekend + alcohol ? ;)
13:23 < MikeSeth> Wombert: it would be nice to pass parameters to a layout
13:23 < Wombert> MikeSeth: not entirely... it would mandate setting action and module programmatically
13:24 < MikeSeth> Wombert: you could just perform named substitutions on the layout 
13:24 < Wombert> but yeah. module and action names are required
13:24 < MikeSeth> Also can slotted actions have default/override request parameters assigned to them by the layout?
13:25 < Wombert> absolutely
13:25 < Wombert> oh by the layoutß
13:25 < Wombert> no
13:25 < Wombert> only programmatically
13:25 < Wombert> the arguments thing
13:25 < MikeSeth> see? :>
13:26 < MikeSeth> btw wombart
13:26 < MikeSeth> can has openid @ bitextender.com?
13:27 < impl> openid would be fun
13:28 < MikeSeth> it would be secks, yes
13:28 < Wombert> openid can't do DNS SRV, can it
13:28 < Wombert> lame
13:29 < impl> hmm
13:29 < MikeSeth> I'm against DNS abuse :D
13:31 < MerlinDMC> I think i'll play a little more later ... seems to be easy :/
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13:32 < impl> I actually don't know how openid discovers remote servers
13:33 < Wombert> it looks at an html page
13:33 < Wombert> :>
13:33 < Wombert> you need to have a <meta ... /> tag with the openid logon url
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13:33 < Wombert> its one of these protocols that was designed by imbeciles...
13:34 < MikeSeth> Wombert: hahah remember the imap outrage
13:35 < impl> Wombert: oh, that's ... cool
13:35 < MikeSeth> Wombert: http://sup.rubyforge.org/svn/trunk/lib/sup/imap.rb
13:35 < impl> ## fuck you, imap committee. you managed to design something nearly as
13:35 < impl> ## shitty as mbox but goddamn THIRTY YEARS LATER.
13:35 < impl> loooool
13:37 < v-dogg> haha, a nice rant
13:38 < MikeSeth> he are confus though
13:38 < MikeSeth> imap != mbox
13:38 < Wombert> lulz
13:38 < marklar|omni> just as shitty though
13:38 < marklar|omni> heh
13:38 < MikeSeth> correct
13:38 < marklar|omni> what he meant
13:39 < marklar|omni> is imap.getShittyFactor() == mbox.getShittyFactor()
13:39 < Wombert> I can't fucking post to fucking php mailing lists
13:39 < marklar|omni> because they suck
13:39 < Wombert> but but but
13:39 < Wombert> I must flame stas
13:39 < Wombert> :
13:39 < Wombert> <
13:40 < impl> Reminds me of the rant in http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/pci/if_rl.c?rev=1.175;content-type=text%2Fx-cvsweb-markup
13:40 < impl> although that one isn't quite as harsh
13:41 < impl> (btw, if you don't know what your network card chipset is, it's probably that)
13:41 < Wombert> aaah 8931
13:41 < Wombert> oldsql
13:42 < impl> rl0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
13:42 < impl> :>
13:43 < marklar|omni> onais
13:43  * impl isn't actually using, this box has four network cards
13:43 < marklar|omni> bce0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
13:43 < marklar|omni> bce1: flags=8802<BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
13:43 < marklar|omni> :<
13:44 < impl> rl0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
13:44 < impl> re0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
13:44 < impl> em0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
13:44 < impl> fxp0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
13:44 < marklar|omni> all different cards?
13:44 < marklar|omni> haha
13:44 < impl> yeah
13:44 < marklar|omni> fale
13:44 < impl> this box is epic rigged
13:44 < marklar|omni> is the machine all, like, rigged
13:44 < marklar|omni> haha
13:44 < marklar|omni> does it have a cpu with bullet holes
13:44 < impl> almost
13:44 < marklar|omni> and cardboard cdrom covers
13:45 < impl> hw.model: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
13:45 < impl> hw.ncpu: 2
13:45 < impl> hw.physmem: 2129551360
13:45 < marklar|omni> and renegade graffiti
13:45 < marklar|omni> ew
13:45 < marklar|omni> fale
13:45 < impl> see ncpu = 2
13:45 < impl> that is HYPERTHREADING
13:45 < impl> lulz
13:45 < marklar|omni> CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           E5320  @ 1.86GHz (1861.93-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x6f7  Stepping = 7 Features=0xbfebfbff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE> Features2=0x4e3bd<SSE3,RSVD2,MON,DS_CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,DCA>
13:45 < marklar|omni>   AMD Features=0x20100000<NX,LM>
13:45 < marklar|omni>   AMD Features2=0x1<LAHF>
13:45 < marklar|omni>   Cores per package: 4
13:45 < marklar|omni> :<
13:45 < impl> l33t :(
13:45 < marklar|omni> nah
13:45 < marklar|omni> thats not leet
13:45 < marklar|omni> lemme log onto the leet box
13:46 < impl> hw.model: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           E5405  @ 2.00GHz
13:46 < impl> best I can do :>
13:46 < marklar|omni> mm
13:46 < MikeSeth> Wombert: whats the fate of the tratis proposal?
13:46 < marklar|omni> bawx is down
13:47 < impl> lawl fail
13:47 < marklar|omni> I can paste some dual quad cores though
13:47 < marklar|omni> but eh
13:47 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: U FAYL
13:47 < marklar|omni> who carez
13:47 < marklar|omni> I have BLADEZ!
13:47 < marklar|omni> AND I WILL CUT YOU!
13:47 < marklar|omni> brb fapping on bladecenter
13:48 < impl> :(
13:49 < MikeSeth> lol => bash.org
13:49 < v-dogg> hmm.. guise. a design question: how to store shopping cart info? in the session (might grow large), in a db table identyfied by the session id, in a db table & id stored in the session or what?
13:50 < MikeSeth> in the session
13:50 < marklar|omni> sessionid -> memcache
13:50 < MikeSeth> how large can it grow really
13:50 < marklar|omni> d
13:50 < marklar|omni> about 0.5kb
13:50 < marklar|omni> max
13:50 < MikeSeth> unless your retard lusers order 1 can of beer 5,000 times manually
13:50 < MikeSeth> but then again then they deserve teh slow
13:51 < marklar|omni> hahaha
13:51 < Macen> when adding to session pass a unique id in the link so they don't add multiple times by pressing back
13:51 < CIA-5> david * r2584 /branches/0.11/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Fix #796: Several config handlers are missing checks for existance of element(s) inside <configuration>
13:51 < CIA-5> david * r2585 /branches/0.11/RELEASE_NOTES: RELEASE_NOTES update
13:51 < Macen> so one var for basket one for "ids" 
13:51 < Macen> or at least i do 
13:51 < Macen> not essential 
13:52 < Wombert> mind you... memcache max size is 1MB
13:53 < marklar|omni> 16:50 < MikeSeth> how large can it grow really
13:53 < marklar|omni> 16:50 < marklar|omni> about 0.5kb
13:53 < marklar|omni> :<
13:53 < Wombert> so, digitarald 
13:53 < Wombert> anything broken?
13:54 < Wombert> v-dogg: you updating tonitez ya?
13:54 < digitarald> with rc2 ... checking
13:54 < v-dogg> Wombert: yup
13:54 < Wombert> okay imma roll a final tomorrow then unless there are show stoppers
13:55 < impl> phing is such utter shit
13:55 < impl> this is also ant's fault
13:56 < digitarald> works fine
13:56 < v-dogg> I might need persistent shopping carts later (== a user can login, save the cart and come back later)
13:57 < v-dogg> err.. no, the user doesn't _save_ the cart, it must be done automatically
13:57 < digitarald> but changelog is not that big for rc2
13:57 < Macen> single column in user table for serialized sessions is what i do
13:57 < v-dogg> i.e. the whole thing needs to be transparent to the user
13:57 < v-dogg> mm... don't know about serializing...
13:58 < Macen> you should base64_encode it too ofc
13:58 < v-dogg> why?
13:58 < Macen> i can't remember
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13:58 < Macen> there is a reason
13:59 < v-dogg> you sure... ?
13:59 < Macen> i always do
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13:59 < v-dogg> that really doesn't prove anything :)
13:59 < impl> serializing things in relational databases = ew
14:00 < impl> do not want
14:00 < v-dogg> yeah, me initial reaction as well
14:00 < v-dogg> my*
14:00 < impl> because say like you store some product IDs in there
14:00 < Wombert> digitarald: do you have cases where you fiddle with validation results etc
14:00 < Wombert> hasErrors() to be specific
14:00 < impl> then they get deleted or moved or something
14:00 < Macen> depends if your project is complex enough to warrant seperate tables to store shopping cart data 
14:00 < impl> you're fucked :>
14:00 < v-dogg> normalization ftw
14:01 < Macen> impl: this is true but avoidable
14:01 < Macen> i agree not slick nor pretty 
14:01 < Macen> normalization?
14:01 < impl> Database normalization
14:01 < impl> EVERYTHING MUST CONFORM TO FIFTH NORMAL FORM NO EXCEPTIONS
14:01 < v-dogg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_normalization
14:02 < marklar|omni> heh
14:02 < v-dogg> impl: well... :)
14:02 < impl> v-dogg: :poD
14:02 < Macen> hmk :)
14:02 < impl> Macen: it's probably the most important part about designing a database, and you might be doing it already
14:03 < Macen> so that's what its called..
14:03 < impl> I found out that I was conforming to about third normal form without even knowing that normal forms existed
14:03 < Macen> adding extra SQL select statement for each page load < validating data when coming out of database
14:03 < Macen> from an optimisation point of view 
14:04 < impl> premature optimization is the root of all evil :)
14:04 < Macen> you're the first person i heard say that :)
14:05 < digitarald> Wombert: not in the current project
14:05 < impl> really? :o
14:05 < Macen> yes
14:05 < impl> it's a pretty common saying in the developer community
14:06 < Macen> not where i idle
14:06 < impl> :(
14:06 < v-dogg> and you've been doing this for how long?-)
14:06 < Macen> :)
14:10  * Wombert hugs v-dogg 
14:11 < Macen> ya
14:13 < marklar|omni> um heh
14:13 < marklar|omni> Macen: do you idle in #phpnuke or something
14:13 < marklar|omni> :(
14:15 < Macen> you know full well it's #mysql marklar !
14:15 < Wombert> LAWL^H^H^H^Hohai
14:16  * Wombert still can't post to internals@
14:16 < Macen> with the amount of people not knowing you have to specify which index to use, you rarely see any anti-optimisation comments
14:17 < Macen> or rather, debates about normalisation ..
14:17 < Wombert> you have to what?
14:19 < impl> I don't think stupidity is an excuse to do premature optimization
14:19 < marklar|omni> um
14:19 < marklar|omni> why do you have to specify which index to use
14:19 < marklar|omni> doesnt your toy^W database do that?
14:19 < Macen> yeah, it tells you which in the explain statement
14:20 < MikeSeth> Wombert: so what happened to the traits proposal?
14:21 < v-dogg> 17:16 < Macen> with the amount of people not knowing you have to specify which index to use
14:21 < v-dogg> WTF?
14:21 < v-dogg> mysql does that?
14:22 < Macen> um, create index
14:22 < Macen> not sure why that came out
14:22 < Macen> indexes*
14:22 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: its not that it does that, its that it's too stupid to figure out the proper indexes on its own
14:22 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: he's speaking about *using* an index, not creating one
14:23 < Macen> i'm actually not paying much attention and am trying to figure where the timer cocks up in a gallery display script :/
14:23  * v-dogg ignores and continues as a happy postgresql user
14:24  * MikeSeth pets v-dogg 
14:24 < marklar|omni> pgsql fgj
14:24 < marklar|omni> hai maik
14:24 < marklar|omni> have you finished w/that soundfile?
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14:32 < Macen> omfg it worked
14:33 < Macen> thank **** for that
14:33 < Macen> i nearly started smoking again :/
14:42 < impl> Why did you stop?
14:48 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: no it was just playing on draft text
14:49 < Macen> money + for my nana
14:49 < Macen> she is like virtually dead now
14:49 < Macen> which is a bad thing 
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15:03 < MikeSeth> wat
15:03 < MikeSeth> O_O
15:05 < MikeSeth> OMG HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
15:05 < MikeSeth> http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb268/dilusi0nal1/3050.jpg
15:05 < MikeSeth> http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb268/dilusi0nal1/3050.jpg
15:05 < MikeSeth> http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb268/dilusi0nal1/3050.jpg
15:05 < MikeSeth> http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb268/dilusi0nal1/3050.jpg
15:06 < digitarald> Valid after End date? http://www.thegreenoffice.com/cnr/47kgqr3/
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15:08 < impl> MikeSeth: lolol
15:12 < MikeSeth> lol
15:12 < MikeSeth> fail thread
15:13 < MikeSeth> http://www.reddit.com/info/6oqit/comments/c04gnch
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15:36 < v-dogg> hmm.. why can't I get a reference to a user attribute...
15:38 < v-dogg> oops... typo :)
15:47 < Macen> mmh i wish i'd of created my slots with Slots.Blah naming
15:48 < Macen> and without Error pages..
15:49 < Macen> i may re-create the project tbh
15:49 < MikeSeth> Macen: the new build system can do refactoring ;>
15:49 < Macen> i bet it's very beta though
15:50 < MikeSeth> something like this yes
15:50 < Macen> sometimes easier to start again methinks
15:50 < Macen> especially when it's the first few times of doing something 
15:52 < Fou4th> is it normal to form pieces of result HTML code in view-classes?
15:53 < Fou4th> e.g. create array of html code chunks and concat them in the template class
15:54 < Macen> you store html in your variables?
15:55 < Fou4th> currently don't
15:55 < Fou4th> but I don't know how to recursively apply templates
15:56 < Macen> why not simply change the stylesheet you include?
15:56 < Fou4th> css?
15:56 < Macen> is the site layout different then?
15:57 < Fou4th> I need to display list (actully tree) of nested <div>s
15:57 < Fou4th> in usual php code I'm calling recursively one method, but don't know how this could be done in agavi
15:58 < Fou4th> I'm already thinking about writing XSLT template engine for agavi
15:59 < impl> Fou4th: it had been done, it sucked, and was subsequently removed
15:59 < Fou4th> too slow?
15:59 < Fou4th> or too complex?
15:59 < impl> no, too hard to get data around in it
16:00 < impl> for example, you can't do stuff like call ro->gen, or tm->_
16:00 < Fou4th> I don't want to place code into template classes
16:00 < Fou4th> ops, into templates, of course
16:00 < impl> Why not?
16:00 < Fou4th> it looks horrible
16:01 < impl> hum
16:01 < impl> well I guess you could do all your template assignments in the View, and then process it
16:01 < Fou4th> jumble of tags and operators and <??>
16:01 < impl> yeah, it can be
16:04 < Fou4th> also I don't want to place functions into templates. And don't know how to process without recursion
16:04 < Fou4th> process tree*
16:05 < Macen> what does the Login module *do*? Why's it in the build script?
16:05 < impl> a module is just a collection of actions/views/templates...
16:05 < Macen> why am i being asked about it though
16:05 < Macen> Login module? (Public) [Public]? Customers
16:05 < Macen> Login module? (Public) [Public]?
16:05 < impl> Fou4th: if you can come up with an XSLRenderer that doesn't suck
16:06 < Macen> won't let me create a new module for it either
16:06 < impl> I will be more than happy to include it in the Agavi distribution
16:06 < impl> provided it's released under a license that allows us to edit it, and you agree to the currently non-existing CLA
16:06 < impl> :D
16:06 < Fou4th> ahmm, what's wrong with previous implementation? It's actually just a call of $xsl->transform
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16:07 < impl> Macen: Login is a system action that runs when an action isSecure() and the user isn't authenticated
16:07 < Fou4th> though
16:07 < impl> Fou4th: let me see if I can dig it up from the depths of the repository
16:07 < Macen> impl: so what is it actually asking me? where to put the code that does the verification?
16:08 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/renderer/AgaviXslRenderer.class.php?rev=1616
16:08 < impl> Macen: Where the action should be located
16:08 < Fou4th> thanks
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16:08 < Fou4th> will take a look
16:08 < Macen> blah
16:08 < impl> Fou4th: cool, good luck
16:09 < Macen> will have to start again now
16:09  * Macen curses
16:09 < Fou4th> I was wrong, it's not just a call of $xsl->transform :)
16:09 < Macen> should of thought of that i guess 
16:10 < Fou4th> I forgot about layers
16:10 < impl> Fou4th: no, it has to deal with slots and container attributes, and a few other things that weren't implemented in that revision I think
16:12 < Macen> impl: what's Module Disabled module?
16:13 < impl> Macen: you can, in your module XML config, specify that an entire module is unavailable
16:13 < impl> if that is the case, then the framework will just forward to the module disabled system action
16:13 < impl> it is actually mostly a leftover from Mojavi 
16:13 < impl> I've never used it
16:13 < Macen> ah k
16:14 < impl> I am really fucking sick of this build system crap
16:14 < impl> it doesn't fucking work >:O
16:16 < Macen> what's not working? the refactoring?
16:16 < Macen> i won't ask what the Unavailable module is :D
16:17 < impl> that's if the entire application is disabled
16:17 < impl> vs. just one module
16:18 < Macen> thanks
16:21 < Macen> probably easier to ask "where do you want to put the project status shit" or smthn :)
16:22 < impl> Macen: well when we have documentation that stuff will all be explained
16:22 < Macen> can't think why they'd be in different modules
16:22 < Macen> esp the last two
16:22 < impl> Default/Error/Authentication
16:22 < impl> is what I usually use
16:22  * Macen starts again
16:22 < impl> where Default might change based on what the project is
16:22 < Macen> :)
16:22 < Macen> yeh
16:23 < impl> hahaha, no, you don't have to follow my guidelines
16:23 < Macen> hmhm
16:23 < Flukey> haha whats wrong with imap?
16:23 < impl> Flukey: it's just a shitty protocol
16:24 < impl> http://www.courier-mta.org/fud/
16:31 < Fou4th> how can I set renderer for specific View?
16:33 < Fou4th> found
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16:39 < Wombert> whhhhrrrrmmm
16:39 < Wombert> Fou4th: what are you doing there :p
16:41 < Fou4th> Wombert, I'm trying to use XSLT renderer :)
16:41 < Wombert> didn't we delete that one :p
16:41 < Fou4th> yep
16:41 < Wombert> and you can define a renderer in your layout config
16:41 < Wombert> for each slot
16:42 < Fou4th> can I do it inside View class?
16:43 < impl> yeah
16:44 < Fou4th> redefine setupHtml()?
16:44 < impl> look at the default views that get installed
16:44 < impl> Because THEY MUST STILL WORK REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE USER CHANGES RENDERER
16:44 < impl> btw that's gone in the new build system
16:45 < impl> except in the Welcome action
16:49 < v-dogg> Wombert: RC2 in production
16:55 < Wombert> v-dogg: did it explode?
16:55 < Wombert> YOU CANT JUST UPGRADE AGAVIS
16:55 < Wombert> THERE IS FINGS TO CONSIDA
16:56 < impl> b-b-b-buh, suh, the backwards compatibility!
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17:35 < Wombert> zomg
17:35 < Wombert> seven o-clocks
17:35 < Wombert> half past akshully
17:42 < CIA-5> impl * r2586 /branches/impl-build_system/build/ (21 files in 7 dirs): FUCK YOU PHING I AM YOUR GOD, refs #689
17:42 < impl> someone test project-wizard
17:42 < impl> plz kthx bai
17:42  * impl stabs MikeSeth 
17:43 < Wombert> miek
17:43 < Wombert> imma be depressed todays
17:43 < Wombert> tf2 raep tiem?
17:43 < CIA-5> impl * r2587 /branches/impl-build_system/build/templates/defaults/app/config/routing.xml.tmpl: Add svn:keywords Id
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17:59 < _cheerios> http://politicalirony.com/2008/07/07/why-they-havent-attacked-us-again/ *g*
18:01 < marklar|omni> ohai2u
18:01 < marklar|omni> i need ideaz for a project
18:01 < marklar|omni> preferably web-based
18:01 < marklar|omni> :<
18:03 < saracen_> web-based registration system for sms birth control reminders.
18:03 < _cheerios> marklar|omni: cms
18:04 < marklar|omni> saracen_: np, you paying for teh sms gw?
18:04 < marklar|omni> _cheerios: spec plz
18:04 < marklar|omni> cms is too broad
18:04 < saracen_> marklar|omni: psht :P
18:05 < marklar|omni> heh :D
18:05 < marklar|omni> we have an acct w/ipipi.com at work
18:06 < saracen_> How about a site that generates meals.
18:06 < saracen_> Rather than conventional food sites, it just puts together a load of random stuff. People can rate whether they were edible.
18:07 < marklar|omni> eahehe
18:07 < marklar|omni> could probably be condensed to smarty + foodgen() func
18:08 < saracen_> eww, smarty
18:09 < marklar|omni> lots of designers know smarty by now
18:09 < marklar|omni> it's a lesser evil
18:09 < saracen_> I think it would be cool. Get a bank of recipes. Random select + mix. And then give instructions for each step from the mix.
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18:10 < saracen_> 1) Boil 2 eggs. 2) Cook for 4 minutes. 3) Mix eggs. 4) Serve. 5) Rinse Rice.
18:10 < marklar|omni> hehe
18:10 < marklar|omni> 0) order pizza, goto end
18:11 < saracen_> :P
18:14 < marklar|omni> hmpf
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18:48 < marklar|omni> niiiiiiiiiiiiiglets.
18:48 < marklar|omni> iSTABu.
19:12 < _cheerios> new sofa. first sofa. now just missing a tv-stand, a tv..., and i guess a ps3, to play 'em moving pictures. o_O
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19:20 < ttj> Speaking of that, I guess I might as well turn on my TV and my PS3 and drive a bit of Gran Turismo...
19:22 < Wombert> ttj: ehm
19:22 < Wombert> what
19:22  * Wombert smacks ttj 
19:22  * ttj dodges
19:22 < Wombert> you are an ass
19:22 < Wombert> download m3 challenge
19:22 < Wombert> and play that with em
19:22 < Wombert> me
19:22 < Wombert> >.<
19:22 < ttj> Pfft... You only work.
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19:27 < ttj> Wombert: What's your player's name on PS3?
19:31 < Wombert> ttj: uhm
19:31 < Wombert> I don't have a ps3 :<
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19:33 < ttj> Ah, so M3 Challenge isn't a PS3 game. Well, screw you, then. :P
19:33 < Fou4th> Who uses eclipse pdt?
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19:37 < impl> miiiiiiiekkkk
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23:19 < nfq> any one around?
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04:36 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:01 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
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06:58 < shoan> huomenta
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07:06 < marklar|omni> ohai
07:06 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: aliev?
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07:21 < marklar|omni> wtf
07:21 < marklar|omni> is there a normal svn plugin for eclipse
07:21 < marklar|omni> other than subclipse
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07:25 < E_mE> huomenta
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07:37 < _cheerios> subclipse is abnormal?
07:38 < E_mE> i appear to be having problems with routing :/
07:39 < E_mE> <route name=".Activate" pattern="^/activate/(userid:\d+),(confCode:[0-9a-fA-F]{32})$" action="Activate" />
07:40 < Macen> what's the comma
07:41 < E_mE> using URL account/activate/6,284aee85bb43d3385b6e4ad7b7c87091
07:41 < E_mE> that doesnt work
07:41 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: ohai
07:41 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: I ordered a router
07:42 < E_mE> MikeSeth: can you see anything wrong with my route there?
07:42 < E_mE> because if i use [0-9a-zA-Z]+  , it gets to the action but has no parameters
07:42 < Macen> pattern="^/activate
07:42 < Macen> account/activate
07:42 < Macen> ???
07:42 < v-dogg> sub route
07:43 < E_mE> its a sub route
07:43 < Macen> ahk
07:43 < v-dogg> name=".Activate"
07:44 < v-dogg> E_mE: [...]+ works but no parameters get thru? strict validation mode perhaps?
07:45 < E_mE> well it appeared to work in Development mode, but ive put it into live now
07:45 < v-dogg> sounds like validation mode problem
07:45 < MikeSeth> morning
07:45 < MikeSeth> sorry 
07:46 < E_mE> v-dogg: no Activate.xml exists
07:46 < v-dogg> and the validation mode is not strict / there's a validation rule for confCode?
07:47 < v-dogg> check factories.xml please
07:47 < E_mE> <validation_manager class="AgaviValidationManager">
07:47 < E_mE>                         <parameter name="mode">strict</parameter>
07:47 < E_mE>                 </validation_manager>
07:47 < E_mE> and in dev its conditional
07:47 < v-dogg> yup
07:48 < v-dogg> and, if I'm not mistaken, unvalidated routing parameters are dropt too in "strict" mode
07:48 < E_mE> so does this mean it doesn't let it thru unless theres a Validate.xml to allow it?
07:48 < v-dogg> dropped
07:50 < E_mE> v-dogg: am i correct, i need a Activate.xml to allow the parameter to the action?
07:51 < Macen> try it and see noob
07:52 < E_mE> im off on holiday in a few hours i aint got time bigger noob
07:53 < MikeSeth> that's so cute
07:53 < MikeSeth> noobs
07:53 < MikeSeth> ;>
07:54 < Macen> haha :)
07:56 < v-dogg> E_mE: yes, "strict" meant no unvalidated parameters are allowed
07:56 < E_mE> cool, i shall set those when i get back D:
07:57 < v-dogg> E_mE: it worked in dev mode because the validation mode is "conditional" 
07:57 < v-dogg> means*
07:57 < E_mE> jah, ive temp moved live over to conditioal :S
07:57  * v-dogg The Typo Machine
07:58 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: what kind
07:58 < marklar|omni> fucking tortoisesvn hanging
07:58 < marklar|omni> goddamnit 
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07:59 < E_mE> thank you v-dogg, appresiated
08:05 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: edimax
08:05 < marklar|omni> model?
08:06 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: nfi
08:06 < marklar|omni> kek
08:06 < marklar|omni> can we haz it this week?
08:06 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: its in the store already we need to pick it up before 20:00
08:06 < marklar|omni> oic
08:06 < marklar|omni> which store
08:06 < marklar|omni> esh?
08:07 < MikeSeth> yeah
08:07 < marklar|omni> k I think I can pick it up
08:07 < MikeSeth> rgr you has my number?
08:07 < marklar|omni> ya
08:08 < MikeSeth> call me so that i can let them know
08:08 < marklar|omni> ok
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08:30 < marklar|omni> hrm
08:30 < marklar|omni> sup
08:31 < marklar|omni> hehe, dragon drop
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08:33 < Macen> blah
08:34 < Macen> how comes xml files don't have syntax highlighting in eclipse
08:35 < Macen> "Color Editor: Edit with syntax highlighting over 100+ file formats"
08:35 < Macen> ...except XML...
08:36 < Macen> oh, it adds an extra context menu item
08:36 < Macen> n/m
08:36 < MikeSeth> because eclipse is lol
08:36 < MikeSeth> and you should use emacs
08:36 < Macen> YOU ARE LOL
08:36 < Macen> pft
08:37 < Macen> it's total win
08:37 < Macen> how can anyone not see that
08:37 < Macen> just the filemanager ... 
08:38 < Macen> etc..
08:39 < MikeSeth> meh
08:40 < Macen> possible to make the script for "agavi action" put the default module as the default answer to "which module"
08:40 < marklar|omni> make teh default default
08:40 < marklar|omni> by default
08:40 < marklar|omni> :<
08:41 < Macen> ya heh
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09:00 < nfq> yo impl where's wombert today? client?
09:01 < MikeSeth> man Wombert is energetic
09:01 < MikeSeth> I wonder what would happen if we put him on coke
09:01 < nfq> heheh
09:01 < nfq> don't!
09:01 < nfq> MikeSeth: when you coming over to Germany?
09:02 < MikeSeth> nfq: I'm supposed to? 
09:02 < MikeSeth> O_O
09:02 < MikeSeth> I mean I'd like to
09:02 < nfq> nah.. just wondered
09:02 < MikeSeth> but as of right now I dont have specific plans
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09:02 < nfq> ah, cool
09:10 < Macen> how to fully remove an action?
09:10 < Macen> delete the files, where else will of been changed
09:10 < v-dogg> nothing else
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09:28 < marklar|omni> Macen: sacrifice a young goat
09:28 < Macen> i did that once but the farmer wasn't best impressed
09:29 < Macen> he claimed milk came out of it
09:29 < Macen> I didn't believe him
09:29 < v-dogg> maybe you killed his lover
09:29 < Macen> i did have my suspicions 
09:29 < Macen> he was quite certain about the milk thing, which made me think he could of been covering something up
09:30 < Macen> farmers are all inbred anyway
09:30 < Macen> a little animal love never hurts
09:30 < Macen> he should of just admitted it :/
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09:33 < marklar|omni> should HAVE
09:34 < marklar|omni> should of = you will die in a ditch.
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09:43 < Macen> ahk
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10:25 < Macen> tell you what would be cool in the build system
10:26 < Macen> if you could change the defaults in an xml
10:32 < MikeSeth> you can
10:33 < MikeSeth> in the new build system which isnt in the main tree yet ;>
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10:40 < Macen> well if it was more like a program that would also be cool
10:40 < Macen> similar to the old dos style programs
10:41 < Macen> with a more structured and project specific menu system
10:41 < Macen> so you can go into a module and add actions to the module
10:41 < Macen> without having to re-specify the module
10:42 < v-dogg> so instead of typing "MyModule" you want to type "cd app/modules/MyModule"?-)
10:43 < MikeSeth> Macen: wait for the new build system then
10:43 < Macen> how intriguing 
10:44 < impl> MIEK
10:46 < MikeSeth> WAT
10:47 < impl> did you try project-wizard yet
10:47 < impl> :>
10:48 < MikeSeth> impl: no, you said dont touch it
10:48 < impl> yeah but then last night
10:48 < impl> 13:42:25 < impl> someone test project-wizard
10:48 < impl> 13:42:29 < impl> plz kthx bai
10:48 < impl> 13:42:38  * impl stabs MikeSeth
10:50 < MikeSeth> last night my router kicked the bucket and I wasnt here to see it
10:50 < impl> oh noes :(
10:50 < MikeSeth> but I'll up tonight
10:50 < impl> oh yays :D
10:54 < marklar|omni> hallo ;[
10:54 < marklar|omni> hehe, kicked the bukkit
10:56 < MikeSeth> well the upside of a dead router is the sleep hours
10:56 < MikeSeth> :>
10:57 < marklar|omni> neighbour wifi fgj
10:57 < marklar|omni> I also haz cellular modem from work
10:57 < marklar|omni> + I can hook up teh blackberry as one
10:57 < marklar|omni> so I cannot be offline EVAR :D
10:58 < v-dogg> installing MySQL Server 5.0...
10:59 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: I can hook up my nokia
10:59 < v-dogg> I feel violated...
11:00 < marklar|omni> hehe
11:05 < marklar|omni> v-dogg: why teh fail?
11:08 < impl> MySQL:
11:08 < impl> 06:55:52 <+impl> Shai-Tan: you could split up the IPv6 address into first_eight_octets and last_eight_octets
11:08 < impl> 06:55:54 <+impl> :>
11:08 < impl> pgsql:
11:08 < impl> 06:56:08 <@Shai-Tan> impl: thats what I have in the db :)
11:08 < impl> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/static/datatype-net-types.html
11:08 < impl> :>
11:08 < marklar|omni> um
11:08 < marklar|omni> waht
11:08 < marklar|omni> fail
11:09 < impl> It would be best to use a BLOB, I imagine
11:09 < impl> or something
11:09 < impl> but MySQL still sucks
11:09 < marklar|omni> heh
11:09 < marklar|omni> unless you have to actually manipulate the addresses, you could just use varchar :D
11:09 < impl> psh ew
11:10 < impl> do not want :X
11:10 < impl> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/static/functions-net.html
11:10 < impl> that is awesome
11:10 < marklar|omni> ya
11:10 < marklar|omni> pgsql is awesome in general
11:11 < marklar|omni> POSTGRES TEH REMEMBERERER
11:11 < marklar|omni> REMEMBERING TEH DATAS
11:12 < v-dogg> marklar|omni: the hosting company offers only mysql and, at least for now, we have to go with that (if the project grows I'll get a dedicated server)
11:13 < marklar|omni> pfft
11:13 < marklar|omni> switch
11:14 < impl> compile it yourself
11:15 < marklar|omni> hax0r the provider
11:20 < v-dogg> it's a pilot case. I can't buy any new services until we decide what we'll do with it 
11:21 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: lal
11:21 < MikeSeth> knock knock
11:21 < MikeSeth> who's there
11:21 < MikeSeth> 9/11
11:21 < MikeSeth> 9/11 who?
11:21 < MikeSeth> YOU SAID YOU'D NEVER FORGET
11:21 < v-dogg> haha
11:21 < impl> lool
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11:26 < marklar|omni> hahaha
11:30 < MikeSeth> http://img-03.offload.711chan.org/i/src/12153526897.png
11:31 < marklar|omni> hehe
11:31 < marklar|omni> +2 internets
11:41 < impl> build script now supports specifying a custom Phing logger (like phing) and include_path
11:41 < impl> so you can log whatever the fuck you want
11:41 < impl> :D
11:41 < marklar|omni> how about
11:41 < marklar|omni> I log myself stabbing your face
11:41 < marklar|omni> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
11:41 < impl> IS THAT BLOOD OR SEMEN
11:41 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: the new build system is uber cool
11:42 < MikeSeth> impl: don't make me ask questions here
11:42 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: srsly you should try it
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12:10 < marklar|omni> k
12:11 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: I will
12:11 < marklar|omni> I just need a project to play with
12:11 < marklar|omni> because work is boring lately
12:11 < MikeSeth> wanna do nooz ;>
12:11 < marklar|omni> shoor
12:12 < marklar|omni> do you haz spec?
12:13 < Wombert> office
12:13  * Wombert &
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12:18 < marklar|omni> I still haz teh domain
12:22 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: we can doz it
12:22 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: btw hofesh.org.il
12:27 < v-dogg> ERROR 2006 (HY000): MySQL server has gone away No connection. Trying to reconnect...
12:27 < v-dogg> gotta luv this shit
12:55 < MikeSeth> LA LA LA
12:55 < MikeSeth> EMACS HAS CONSUMED ANOTHER ONE
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13:02 < marklar|omni> heh
13:02 < marklar|omni> hofesh ftw
13:06 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: http://www.reddit.com/info/6qm0s/comments/c04lydb
13:10 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: 
13:10 < marklar|omni> can you write a few words on how you see nooz
13:10 < marklar|omni> haha @ reddit
13:23 < Wombert> WOOT
13:23 < Wombert> MikeSeth: DID YOU HEAR ABOUT HANS REISER
13:24 < Wombert> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/07/BAN011LDR8.DTL
13:24 < MikeSeth> yes
13:24 < MikeSeth> and I think it's stupid of him
13:25 < MikeSeth> I really dont want to side with Glenn Sacks 
13:25 < MikeSeth> and I really dont wanna sound like a wife beater
13:25 < MikeSeth> but bitch had it coming
13:26 < Macen> ROFLOL
13:27 < Macen> <MikeSeth> I really dont want to side with Glenn Sacks <MikeSeth> and I really dont wanna sound like a wife beater <MikeSeth> but bitch had it coming
13:27 < Macen> awesomeness 
13:28 < MikeSeth> Macen: she embezlled money from Hans Reiser and fucked a serial killer
13:28 < MikeSeth> really
13:28 < MikeSeth> she h-a-d it c-o-m-i-n-g
13:29 < Macen> ignore my dry humour
13:29 < MikeSeth> I dont want to even mention her ties with the mob, the fact that she was a mail order bride and that she had two children with Reiser
13:29 < Macen> apparently it's a quirk of the british 
13:32 < Macen> max mosley admits talking german while denying he took part in a nazi themed orgi 
13:32 < Macen> IN COURT
13:32 < MikeSeth> a nazi themed orgy
13:32 < Macen> like, eh, the world is insane 
13:32 < MikeSeth> DO WANT
13:32 < Macen> apparently they were doing bondage and everything
13:33 < Macen> and max mosley decided to take the newspaper to court over it
13:33 < Macen> and he has to admit to all this shit he'd of otherwise not had to admit too
13:33 < MikeSeth> pics or it didn't happen
13:33 < Macen> PICS
13:33 < Macen> everything man, this guy is like, POWERFUL
13:33 < Macen> he's the head of forumla one, and he's stood in court
13:33 < Macen> admitting he spoke german to what is basically a prossie
13:33 < Macen> heh
13:34 < Macen> like stfu and let it die man
13:34 < Macen> i'd of never known had you quietly slipped away
13:34 < marklar|omni> hahaha
13:34 < marklar|omni> wow
13:34 < marklar|omni> nazi themed orgy
13:34 < marklar|omni> heh
13:34 < Macen> i kno heh
13:34 < v-dogg> you didn't hear about that?
13:34 < marklar|omni> excellent birthday celebration idea
13:34 < Macen> slightly random
13:34 < marklar|omni> nope
13:34 < marklar|omni> I don't follow f1 news
13:36 < Macen> british papers have no shame
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13:36 < MikeSeth> they better have none
13:36 < Macen> i'd be too embarrassed to print that
13:36 < MikeSeth> otherwise it would be the ENG fail everywhere
13:37 < Macen> they are relentless 
13:37 < Macen> like geez, give him a break
13:37 < Macen> accept a bribe or something lol
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13:39 < Wombert> [15:33] Macen: he's the head of forumla one, and he's stood in court
13:39 < Wombert> nah
13:39 < Wombert> bernie ecclestone is
13:39 < Wombert> max mosley = FIA
13:39 < Macen> FIA govern F1
13:40 < Macen> is my understanding
13:40 < Wombert> no
13:40 < Wombert> then that is wrong :p
13:40 < Macen> ask E_mE he listens to "proper" radio news 
13:40 < Macen> he will probably know the exacts
13:40 < Macen> i just heard a 30 second sound bite 
13:40 < Wombert> the fia just makes the rules
13:41 < E_mE> Macen:  :/
13:42 < impl> is this the guy who has wild bondage sex parties?
13:42 < impl> yeah the nazi guy
13:42 < Macen> maybe they don't report on things people actually talk about though ..
13:42 < impl> hoho
13:42 < Macen> did you just talk too yourself impl lol
13:43 < impl> Not until I read the scrollback
13:43 < Macen> i do that often :>
13:43 < Macen> !!!
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13:43 < Macen> WHERE DID THAT SMILEY GO :( :( :(
13:43 < impl> ...what?
13:44 < Macen> nothing
13:44 < Macen> ignore me
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13:45 < Macen> brb changing theme this one sucks :/
13:45 < Macen> blah..
13:45 < Macen> n/m
13:45 < Macen> i'm, seeing things...
13:45 < Macen> oh ffs
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13:46 < impl> ...k
13:47 < marklar|omni> heh
13:47 < marklar|omni> mudkipz.
13:50 < MikeSeth> everywhere
13:50 < marklar|omni> kek
13:50 < marklar|omni> my configs
13:50 < marklar|omni> let me show you them
13:50 < marklar|omni> :<
13:50 < marklar|omni> reddit meme thread is funnay
13:52 < marklar|omni> w-t-f.
13:52 < marklar|omni> http://www.madcowtouristinfo.com/
13:54 < E_mE> feck i think my GF has turned my PC off at hime :'(
13:55 < marklar|omni> send wol packet from router
13:55 < marklar|omni> problem solved.
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13:57 < impl> sh-3.1$ ls app/modules/
13:57 < impl> Bar  Default  Foo  Foobarbaz  THIS-IS-NOT-A-MODULE-JUST-SOME-VCS-CRAP
13:57 < impl> sh-3.1$ /home/nfontes/projects/agavi/svn/branch-impl-build_system/build/script/agavi --include-path build/ --logger CustomLogger module-list
13:57 < impl> Default
13:58 < impl> Foo
13:58 < impl> Bar
13:58 < impl> Foobarbaz
13:58 < impl> MikeSeth: ^^
13:58 < Macen> lol
13:58 < Macen> impl's failll
13:58 < MikeSeth> fap fap fap fap fap fap
13:58 < MikeSeth> impl: finally I can write full Agavi navigation for emacs
13:58 < MikeSeth> SECKS SHALL COMMENCE
13:58 < impl> :D
13:59 < MikeSeth> btw
13:59 < MikeSeth> E_mE is slowly discovering the benefits of emacs
13:59 < MikeSeth> you should too ;>
14:01 < E_mE> jah because my smegging eclipses keeps fecking up
14:01 < E_mE> might as well get soemthing to stimulate me into it :)
14:04 < Macen> now there are 2 emac fans
14:04 < Macen> lovely..
14:04 < impl> MikeSeth: http://cynigram.com/~nfontes/emacs-20080708-0.png
14:08 < Macen> what i'd like to know is
14:08 < Macen> what's so easy about easy eclipse
14:08 < Macen> seems pretty damn similar to eclipse pdt to me
14:09 < Macen> with an even more offensive logo 
14:09  * MikeSeth pets impl 
14:09 < MerlinDMC> Macen, easier to install ;) ... but if you consider to use easyeclipse ... take a look at pulse
14:10 < Wombert> Macen: have you tried emacs?
14:10 < Macen> what is this emac you talk of
14:10 < Wombert> YAY
14:10 < Wombert> I WIN
14:10 < Wombert> :>>>>
14:10 < impl> FU
14:11 < Macen> too much of a learning curve Wombert 
14:11 < MikeSeth> Wombert: a day will come on which I shall subert you too
14:11 < Macen> MerlinDMC: http://www.poweredbypulse.com/ ?
14:11 < MerlinDMC> Macen, yes
14:11 < impl> Macen: by the way, emacs is singular, not plural
14:12 < Macen> :)
14:12 < Macen> that much I do know
14:12 < impl> Many emacs are called emacsen
14:12  * Wombert falls over
14:12 < Wombert> man this is so brilliant
14:12 < Wombert> look. Macen 
14:12 < marklar|omni> oh naw
14:12 < Macen> LEAVE ME ALONE
14:12 < Macen> you bully
14:12 < marklar|omni> snoop dogg might not come to .il
14:12 < marklar|omni> WOE
14:12 < impl> WHAT
14:12 < Wombert> eMac = old computer apple sold to schools
14:12 < Wombert> emacs = editor
14:12 < impl> THIS IS A DISGRACE
14:12 < Macen> I KNOW
14:12 < Wombert> I thought you'd know that, I mean... you're a super professional or something (whatever you said on #mootools earlier)...
14:12  * Wombert shakes head
14:12 < impl> how many black people are there in Israel?
14:12 < MikeSeth> http://tinyurl.com/64s2qw
14:12 < impl> 2?
14:13 < MikeSeth> impl: around 60,000 
14:13 < marklar|omni> quite a bit, yea
14:13 < marklar|omni> they're all in the desert though
14:13 < marklar|omni> heh
14:13 < MikeSeth> impl: not including african visitors and sudan etc refugees
14:13 < impl> are they fake blacks or irl blacks
14:13 < MikeSeth> impl: theyre ethiopians
14:13 < Wombert> those are not black
14:13 < MikeSeth> the younger ones try to emulate american blacks
14:13 < Wombert> only almost
14:13 < Wombert> ah
14:13 < MikeSeth> rap, saggy pants, yo watup watup dawg etc
14:13 < Wombert> those are almost almost black then :>>
14:13 < marklar|omni> yea
14:13 < marklar|omni> #11111
14:13 < marklar|omni> 1
14:13 < impl> the black people in Germany aren't black
14:13 < marklar|omni> :<
14:14 < impl> :(
14:14 < Wombert> they are not? :<
14:14 < impl> Nope :D
14:14 < marklar|omni> fakeblack
14:17 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: plz2google oingo boingo insanity
14:17 < MikeSeth> song = win
14:17 < Macen> ?!?!?!?
14:17 < Macen> explain then lol
14:17 < Macen> how is someone block but not black!!
14:17 < Macen> are they grey????
14:18 < Macen> or are they just not into hip hop
14:18 < MikeSeth> there are degrees of blackitude
14:18 < MikeSeth> lol
14:18 < Macen> and dat shit innit
14:18 < E_mE> well guys im off on holiday
14:18 < E_mE> ill catch in two weeks time :D
14:18 < MikeSeth> bring it on!
14:19 < E_mE> have funz :D bye bye
14:19 < Macen> bye E_mE (you traitor) 
14:19 < E_mE> biggot
14:19 < MikeSeth> EMACS IS SPREADING.'
14:19 < Macen> peado (???)
14:19 < impl> E_mE: peace, enjoy yourself
14:19 < E_mE> thanks
14:20 < Macen> going anywhere nice?
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14:35 < Macen> MerlinDMC: http://temp.youds.com/Picture%201.png
14:35 < Macen> screencast looks good though
14:36 < MerlinDMC> lol
14:36 < MerlinDMC> i don't had anything like that ... on Linux, OSX and Windows ;)
14:37 < marklar|omni> hahahaha
14:38 < marklar|omni> failorama
14:39 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: I've seen tf2 in wine in compiz
14:39 < marklar|omni> how fast?
14:39 < MikeSeth> you can rotate the 3d cube with tf2 on it WHILE playing
14:39 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: apparently no lag
14:39 < MikeSeth> or no low fps
14:39 < marklar|omni> sounds seckz
14:39 < MikeSeth> 120%
14:39 < MikeSeth> also
14:40 < MikeSeth> did you know M-x ffap
14:40 < MikeSeth> :>
14:40 < marklar|omni> Log lines processed 686,586
14:40 < marklar|omni> fuck
14:40 < marklar|omni> and that's just yesterday
14:40 < marklar|omni> on a single site
14:40 < marklar|omni> sawmill :(
14:40 < MikeSeth> start filtering static resources
14:40 < MikeSeth> leave meaningful requests only
14:40 < MikeSeth> also
14:40 < MikeSeth> sawmill is nice
14:40 < MikeSeth> but fuck ass slow
14:41 < marklar|omni> yea
14:41 < marklar|omni> I got about 10 month's worth of logs for the main .com site
14:41 < marklar|omni> took the entire weekend to just rebuild the db
14:41 < marklar|omni> heh
14:42 < marklar|omni> it's all tal's fault anyway
14:43 < Wombert> use mapreduce!
14:44 < marklar|omni> I need to implement french-reduce
14:44 < marklar|omni> brb, LART
14:44 < CIA-5> impl * r2588 /branches/impl-build_system/build/ (12 files in 5 dirs): 
14:44 < CIA-5> branches/impl-build_system (refs #689):
14:44 < CIA-5> - Add module-list target
14:44 < CIA-5> - Add tasks: list-modules (output to Phing property), display-modules (output to log)
14:44 < CIA-5> - Remove all test tasks since they don't work and the old listModules task
14:44 < CIA-5> - Bugfixes, refactoring
14:44  * Wombert pets
14:52  * MikeSeth pets furiously
14:57 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: when do you leave for ~?
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15:05 < nfq> Wombert: ping
15:29 < CIA-5> david * r2589 /branches/0.11/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 0.11.2 version info
16:07 < CIA-5> david * r2590 /tags/0.11.2/: tagging 0.11.2 for release
16:08 -!- Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: stable/latest: 0.11.2 :: http://agavi.org/ :: want svn? use http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta :: 15:47 <Flukey> now i think about it, it all makes perfect sense :)
16:09 < Macen> Wombert: being awesomely brilliant has it's drawbacks 
16:09 < Macen> you never realise when you are actually wrong
16:09 < Macen> its*
16:09 < Wombert> what if you are always wrong
16:10 < Macen> then you probably should stfu
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16:52 < nfq> Macen: shall we argue here too?
16:52 < Macen> if you like..
16:52 < Macen> i did know you were in here though
16:54 < Macen> tbh i doubt there would be much point
16:55 < Macen> you seem to have taken a personal dislike to me which i can't understand
16:55 < Macen> so i won't bother worrying about it much more
16:56 < nfq> Macen: no, not at all.. don't get me wrong..
16:56 < Macen> well we were in agreement about the forums thing being shit
16:57 < nfq> you just seem to be a bit obnoxious and overly 'loud' .. so, I wanted to challenge that
16:57 < Macen> then that guy Yuffster who is possibly the most self confident person i've ever spoken too on freenode
16:57 < nfq> he's a she!
16:57 < Macen> bleh..
16:57 < Macen> well she had it coming
16:57 < Macen> how can you argue a point that everything is fine blah blah
16:57 < Wombert> [18:57] Macen: then that guy Yuffster who is possibly the most self confident person i've ever spoken too on freenode
16:57 < Macen> when you can't even keep forums online
16:57 < nfq> we did agree on the forum stuff, it's true...
16:57 < Wombert> and I thought that was you...
16:58 < Macen> Wombert: yes
16:59 < nfq> Macen: it's not personal, really.. everything is good..
17:00 < Macen> ya same you were probably right
17:00 < nfq> this would have been fun but I have to leave for home now... more another day I am sure
17:00 < Macen> it was just unexpected which is unusual for me
17:00 < Macen> as i normally know if i'm being a twat ;)
17:00 < Macen> (most of the time)
17:00 < nfq> you mentioned.. well, sometimes we do stuff which we don't realise.. including me!
17:01 < Macen> well <3<3
17:01 < Macen> i'll keep out next time
17:01 < Macen> nps
17:02 < nfq> nah, why.. it's good to discuss
17:02 < nfq> and we are of one mind when it comes to mootools forums and slight sloppyness
17:02 < nfq> I wish they'd get their shit together, as it's the best JS framework, if you ask me
17:03 < Macen> well since i looked around a bit, they took the forums offline, the demos page is now less impressive and the docs have been moved over
17:04 < Macen> i thought maybe the 1.2 docs were temporary
17:04 < nfq> new docs are nice though.. much more helpful
17:04 < nfq> well, search helps
17:04 < Macen> seems to me they are knowingly not bothering
17:04 < Macen> yeah
17:04 < nfq> and the text is better
17:04 < Macen> i'd got used to them, tbh
17:04 < nfq> true
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17:22 < CIA-5> impl * r2591 /branches/impl-build_system/build/ (4 files in 2 dirs): branches/impl-build_system (refs #689): Add target action-list and tasks list-actions and display-actions
17:23 < impl> meh these tasks need to be refactored
17:23 < impl> but fuck it right now
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17:24 < foutrelis> oh hai .-.
17:25 < impl> hai
17:27 < foutrelis> impl, :)
17:27 < foutrelis> I hope you won't mind me idling in here .-.
17:27 < Macen> where do i know you from ? :p
17:27 < Macen> recognise the nick ..
17:27 < impl> foutrelis: of course not ;p
17:28 < impl> foutrelis: hopefully you'll develop an interest in Agavi, too :D
17:28 < foutrelis> Macen, I'm not famous *yet*, so you might know me from the future .-.
17:28 < Macen> when i remember i'll randomly shout it out don't worry
17:29 < foutrelis> impl, I got bored at Kohana so I'm looking for a better solution
17:29 < Macen> gotta run, baiiiiiii
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17:29 < impl> foutrelis: I've never used Kohana, really, all I know about it is that it is based on CI
17:29 < impl> foutrelis: which is nothing at all like Agavi ;p
17:33 < foutrelis> impl, I like how helpers are frowned upon in the introduction :P
17:33 < foutrelis> I dislike them as well .-.
17:33 < impl> Yeah, they're actually not even necessary given Agavi's view structure
17:34 < impl> Agavi represents View interaction first through a class, which contains methods like executeHtml, executeJson, execute<Your-output-type>
17:34 < impl> the output type is determined either by configuration (all XML-based), or by your application code
17:35 < foutrelis> hmmm I see :)
17:35 < impl> From there, you can have a renderer that handles template files
17:35 < impl> this allows you to use Smarty, PHPTAL, or just straight PHP
17:36 < impl> The straight PHP renderer of course allows you to just include files, so if you need some helper it's easy enough to write a function and include it in your templates
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17:36 < impl> But, of course, Agavi is all about flexibility and it's up to you whether you ever want to do that :P
17:37 < impl> Views can also just return content, so for example your executeJson output type handler might just have return json_encode($result);
17:37 < impl> no renderer is needed in that case
17:39 < foutrelis> impl, everything sounds good, I'll follow the documentation and get to know agavi a little beter now :)
17:40 < impl> sure, the documentation needs quite a bit of work though (to say the least), so if you have any questions please do ask :D
17:42 < foutrelis> impl, will do, thanks :)
17:46 < Wombert> welcome, foutrelis 
17:46 < Wombert> look at the sample app
17:46 < Wombert> gives you a good initial idea
17:47 < foutrelis> Wombert, just reached that page, after the installation :P
17:47 < foutrelis> :)
18:07 < CIA-5> impl * r2592 /branches/impl-build_system/build/build.xml: Add -remove targets
18:09 < CIA-5> impl * r2593 /branches/impl-build_system/build/build.xml: Remove -rename and -remove targets
18:09 < impl> THERE IS GOOD REASON FOR THIS
18:13 < Wombert> :>>>>
18:14 < Wombert> YOU ARE INSANE SIR
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18:21 < marklar|omni> umm
18:21 < marklar|omni> raep.
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18:59 < Whisller> hi
19:03 < Whisller> I'm trying to set up a subdomains for domain. Using ServerAlias directive by "ServerAlias 24rent.eu *.24rent.eu" or "ServerAlias *.24rent.eu" but it doesn't work :/ I must also set something in hosts file?
19:05 < marklar|omni> um
19:05 < marklar|omni> it doesn't work that way.
19:06 < Whisller> That was in examples
19:07 < marklar|omni> did you setup dns for the subdomains you're trying to access?
19:07 < Whisller> hmm no but I thought only what I need is setup ServerAlias :>
19:07 < Whisller> to *.mydomain.eu
19:08 < marklar|omni> um
19:08 < marklar|omni> and how are people supposed to get to it? :<
19:09 < _cheerios> i want to believe it works!!! :D
19:09 < Whisller> I have no idea ;p I just want to setup it only on my localhost :) I don't want it setup on external server
19:10 < Whisller> And all articles which I found have this solution -> set up ServerAlias to *.yourdomain.eu
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19:11 < marklar|omni> um 
19:11 < marklar|omni> so add something like
19:12 < marklar|omni> 127.0.0.1 failorama.yourhost.fail foo.yourhost.fail yourhost.fail
19:12 < marklar|omni> to hosts
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19:14 < Whisller> ok
19:16 < Whisller> now it works with second virtualhost
19:16 < marklar|omni> no kidding
19:16 < marklar|omni> :<
19:16 < Whisller> :P
19:16 < Whisller> Sorry but I don't know apache very well 
19:17 < marklar|omni> your newb is showing 
19:18 < Whisller> heh
19:19 < marklar|omni> :D
19:19 < marklar|omni> wtf is this crap about a megafail in dns
19:20 < Whisller> http://www.last.fm/music/Rootwater/+videos/+1-p212848xPzM i love this song and this band
19:25 < marklar|omni> that reminds me
19:25 < marklar|omni> I need to renew my sub @ last.fm
19:25 < marklar|omni> lol hava nagila
19:26 < _cheerios> sounds like a tired copy of something that was mainstream 10 years ago
19:26 < marklar|omni> video is corny
19:26 < Whisller> _cheerios: yeah but it is good :P
19:26 < marklar|omni> dust on drums is so 1992 :<
19:26 < marklar|omni> the best band from .pl is Behemoth imo
19:26 < Whisller> hmm
19:26 < Whisller> yeah I agre but
19:27 < Whisller> Only latest album
19:27 < Whisller> The Apostasy
19:27 < marklar|omni> er no
19:27 < marklar|omni> Sventevith
19:27 < marklar|omni> fgj
19:28 < Whisller> hmm
19:28 < Whisller> ok maybe ;p
19:29 < Whisller> rootwater has also a good songs
19:29 < marklar|omni> heh
19:29 < marklar|omni> check my last.fm profile
19:29 < marklar|omni> for good shit
19:30 < marklar|omni> http://www.last.fm/user/marklar/
19:30 < Whisller> http://www.last.fm/user/Whisller/
19:30 < _cheerios> oo Tarot
19:31 < Whisller> Mayhem, do they stil exist :>
19:31 < Whisller> *doest it still exist
19:31 < marklar|omni> yeah
19:31 < marklar|omni> latest (Chimera) was kinda eh
19:33 < marklar|omni> Satyricon and Dark Tranquillity (among others) are coming to Israel next month
19:33 < marklar|omni> heh
19:33 < Whisller> in flames, I like their album from 2000 year. Clayman 
19:34 < marklar|omni> in flames ftw
19:34 < marklar|omni> Your musical compatibility rating with Whisller is:
19:34 < marklar|omni> Low
19:34 < marklar|omni> hehe
19:34 < marklar|omni> whoa, hawt
19:34 < marklar|omni> http://www.last.fm/user/Wilczex/
19:34 < marklar|omni> who is that
19:34 < marklar|omni> and when is she coming to israel
19:35 < Whisller> hehe
19:35 < marklar|omni> DO WANT NAO
19:35 < Whisller> I have no idea who is she ;p
19:35 < Whisller> We just  talking ;)
19:36 < marklar|omni> uh-huh
19:36 < Whisller> We was on this same concert but I didn't meet her there.
19:36 < Whisller> http://www.last.fm/event/465007
19:37 < marklar|omni> european chicks are hawt
19:38 < Whisller> hehe
19:39 < Whisller> Hah you should see girls from go-go club :D Hah last weekend I was in one from Warsaw...hah hot ;)
19:40 < marklar|omni> grr.
19:40 < marklar|omni> I'm glad my gf doesn't get on irc.
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19:50 < marklar|omni> heh
19:51 < marklar|omni> No match for domain "FAILORAMA.COM".
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20:07 < marklar|omni> FREEZING MOON~
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20:34 < marklar|omni> meep
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20:53 < _cheerios> gaah.  my simple livingroom setup for some a/v stuff is closing in on 3000e, and some parts missing.
20:54 < marklar|omni> 3k eu?
20:54 < marklar|omni> wtf
20:54 < marklar|omni> spec?
20:54 < marklar|omni> are a/v comps just overpriced
20:54 < marklar|omni> or are you buying monster cables
20:57 < _cheerios> it's the total for: a tv, 2 speakers, a subwoofer, a tv table, amp/scaler, ps3
20:57 < _cheerios> needs cables still in equation ~100e i guess
20:59 < marklar|omni> mm
20:59 < marklar|omni> how can cables be 100e
20:59 < marklar|omni> wtf.
20:59 < marklar|omni> I wired my parent's livingroom
21:00 < marklar|omni> 7.1 + cat6 + all a/v cables
21:00 < marklar|omni> for like 50e
21:00 < marklar|omni> and ps3 isn't a/v
21:00 < marklar|omni> :D
21:00 < impl> wat is it
21:01 < marklar|omni> failcrap
21:01 < _cheerios> it's for dvd+bluray(+games, mgs4!)
21:01 < marklar|omni> I'll wait for bluray-rw drives :D
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21:02 < _cheerios> what are you burning? apache logs?
21:03 < marklar|omni> heh yea
21:03 < marklar|omni> and pr0n backups
21:03 < marklar|omni> anyway, gn
21:03  * marklar|omni &
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21:23 < MikeSeth> o hai
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21:36 < foutrelis> MikeSeth, meh hai there .-.
21:40 < Wombert_> ohai!
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21:54 < MikeSeth> foutrelis: oooh long time no see
21:54 < MikeSeth> Wombert_: im sleepy, wanna lay off the chat to tomorrow?
22:00 < foutrelis> MikeSeth, heh :)
22:01 < foutrelis> MikeSeth, how're you doing? .-.
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22:02 < Wombert_> yes MikeSeth 
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05:57 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:58 < Wombert> huomenta!
06:23 < marklar|omni> huomenta, niglets
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07:08 < marklar|omni> w
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07:27 < shoan> http://doxpara.com/
07:30 < marklar|omni> heh
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07:54 < CIA-5> impl * r2594 /branches/impl-build_system/ (6 files in 4 dirs): merge [2566:2593/trunk]
08:02 < Wombert> woot woot
08:02 < Wombert> <:
08:11 < marklar|omni> umm
08:11 < digitarald> Huomenta!
08:12 < marklar|omni> wtf.
08:12 < marklar|omni> lively.com
08:14 < digitarald> google.
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08:16 < digitarald> hey Rendez, any luck with svn?
08:16 < Rendez> nop
08:16 < Rendez> didn't try again
08:16 < Rendez> But could be the externals
08:16 < digitarald> works here
08:16 < Rendez> really?
08:16 < digitarald> externals dont make any problems
08:16 < digitarald> the rest should start
08:17 < Rendez> I should try with some svn app
08:17 < digitarald> it checks out the app first and afterwards the externals
08:18 < Rendez> I don't know, should try with tortoise
08:18 < MikeSeth> yhuomenta
08:19 < marklar|omni> sup
08:20 < MikeSeth> idk durr
08:22 < marklar|omni> meh
08:24 < Rendez> digitarald: same error with svnX for mac
08:24 < digitarald> error message?
08:25 < Wombert> hm?
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08:26 < digitarald> Wombert: not your svn, mine on assembla
08:27 < Rendez> jeez, I got a new error that makes sense!
08:27 < Rendez> svn: This client is too old to work with working copy 'digitarald'; please get a newer Subversion client
08:27 < marklar|omni> heh
08:27 < Rendez> The bad news is that I already updated to 1.5
08:27 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
08:27 < impl> sure? svn --version
08:27 < Rendez> thanks impl
08:28 < Rendez> not sure then
08:28 < Rendez> 1.4.4
08:28 < Rendez> hmm I downloaded a dmg but it didn't update as far as I see
08:31 < Rendez> how do I update :S
08:32 < digitarald> drag the install file into your programs folder
08:32 < digitarald> isnt that mac install style? ;)
08:33 < MikeSeth> digitarald: O_O
08:34 < Rendez> this is the one that doesn't works http://www.collab.net/downloads/community/?_=d
08:41 < Rendez> 0
08:45 < impl> ooh, AIX
09:00 < MerlinDMC> Rendez, that pkg installs the svn command under /usr/local/bin/svn ... if you just execute svn the one in /usr/bin is executed ...
09:01 < Rendez> aag
09:03 < Rendez> both are 1.4.4 :S
09:04 < MerlinDMC> not here ... sry :)
09:04 < Rendez> I'm not much of an expert on linux
09:04 < Rendez> but this
09:04 < Rendez> lrwxr-xr-x    1 root  wheel        28 Jul  9 10:35 svnadmin -> /opt/subversion/bin/svnadmin
09:05 < Rendez> or
09:05 < Rendez> lrwxr-xr-x    1 root  wheel        23 Jul  9 10:35 svn -> /opt/subversion/bin/svn
09:08 < Rendez> means that the command is pointung to that exe right=
09:08 < Rendez> ?
09:09 < Rendez> MerlinDMC
09:09 < MikeSeth> yeah
09:09 < MikeSeth> i dont like the /opt convention though
09:09 < impl> Why not?
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09:11 < MikeSeth> because that's what /usr/local is for 
09:11 < Rendez> sorry I was disconnected
09:11 < impl> MikeSeth: unless you use BSD :~
09:11 < impl> Kinda, anyway
09:12 < Rendez> how can I know and change svn to point to the new one?
09:12 < CIA-5> impl * r2595 /branches/impl-build_system/build.xml: branches/impl-build_system (refs #689): remove non-working unit testing cruft in Agavi build.xml
09:14 < Rendez> MikeSeth: alright, /usr/bin/svn is 1.4.4 and /usr/local/bin/svn is 1.5, speak to me :P
09:14 < impl> PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin
09:14 < impl> PATH should always prefer /usr/local over /usr
09:15 < Rendez> shouldn't I copy one to another
09:15 < Rendez> ?
09:15 < impl> no
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09:16 < Rendez> haha, now ls command doesn't work
09:16 < impl> oh god, fucking OS X
09:16 < impl> I don't know where it puts shit
09:16 < Rendez> how do I recover it ? xD
09:17 < impl> ah
09:17 < impl> lawl
09:17 < impl> I forgot /bin
09:17 < impl> PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
09:17 < impl> maybe /bin should be first, it doesn't really matter
09:17 < Rendez> works
09:17 < Rendez> What it is doing here?
09:18 < impl> Just changing the ordering of where your shell looks for binaries
09:18 < Rendez> great
09:18 < Rendez> we had a really bad linux teacher
09:18 < impl> You may want to put that in your .bashrc so it works in the future
09:19 < impl> export PATH="/usr/local/bin:$PATH" should be sufficient
09:19 < Rendez> where is that file?
09:20 < MerlinDMC> default path seems to be "/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin"
09:20 < impl> In /Users/<your username>/
09:20 < impl> Really, even without being a superuser?
09:21 < MikeSeth> Rendez: why do you have two versions? :>
09:21 < MerlinDMC> impl, seems so
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09:22 < Rendez> MikeSeth I just installed the binaries
09:22 < impl> Must be a BSD thing
09:22 < Rendez> And that's what I got
09:23 < MikeSeth> hmpf
09:23 < MikeSeth> BSD idk
09:23 < MikeSeth> ask marklar|omni 
09:23 < MikeSeth> he's a bsd ninja etc etc
09:24 < impl> FreeBSD = 
09:24 < impl> % echo $PATH
09:24 < impl> /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/home/nfontes/bin
09:24 < impl> Linux =
09:24 < impl> % echo $PATH
09:24 < impl> /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games
09:25 < v-dogg> guise:
09:25 < v-dogg> who's comming to IPC this year? 
09:25 < v-dogg> http://it-republik.de/konferenzen/ipc/psecom,id,1.html
09:26 < v-dogg> 27.-31. October
09:28 < Rendez> hmm, it is now too far from me
09:28 < Rendez> not*
09:31 < Macen> aw how sad
09:32 < Macen> Craig
09:32 < Macen> I tried ringing – but too busy….
09:32 < Macen> I will be stopping trading – consequently I will no longer be using the website. I wish to stop the hosting & email ASAP…
09:32 < Macen> there goes £25/mo :( :(
09:32 < impl> wat
09:34 < v-dogg> yes, wat?
09:35 < Macen> also, how bad is this
09:35 < Macen> James Cooke is a fan of TeleBid.
09:35 < Macen> on facebook^^
09:35 < Rendez> ?
09:35 < impl> Who is James Cooke?
09:35 < impl> and what is TeleBid?
09:35 < Macen> has a picture of james cooke (apparently someone i added on facebook), then that text
09:35 < Macen> and then an advert for "TeleBid"
09:36  * impl doesn't follow
09:36  * v-dogg is totally lost
09:36 < Macen> well, FaceBook did start using a beacon system to monitor how long you stay on what page for
09:36 < Macen> and they would use that info to offer you adverts and they gave the data to the marketing companies
09:37 < Macen> but if you block /beacon* you can stop it etc..
09:37 < Macen> anyway
09:37 < Macen> JamesCooke has obviously joined a fan page called TeleBid
09:37 < MerlinDMC> perhaps i can visit the IPC ... isn't that far and time seems to be manageable
09:37 < Macen> and TeleBid also advertise on facebook...
09:37 < Macen> and they're using his face/name to advertise their own product
09:38 < impl> Are you sure he's not just some famous guy
09:39 < Macen> James Cooke
09:39 < Macen> Sex:	
09:39 < Macen> Male
09:39 < Macen> Relationship Status:	
09:39 < Macen> Married to 
09:39 < Macen> Claire Cooke (Manchester)
09:40 < Macen> haha..
09:40 < Rendez> hehe
09:40 < Macen> and he does have TeleBid as a fan page
09:41 < Macen> James's Pages	
09:41 < Macen> 8 of 9 PagesSee All
09:41 < Macen> F1 Grand Prix
09:41 < Macen> Application
09:41 < Macen> The Feeling
09:41 < Macen> Musician
09:41 < Macen> TeleBid
09:41 < Macen> .......
09:41 < impl> PASTEBIN
09:41 < Macen> it's down
09:41 < Macen> i know
09:41 < Macen> or it's taking too long
09:41 < Macen> yep, it's taking too long
09:41 < impl> only impl is allowed to paste copious amounts of text to the channel for no reason
09:41 < Macen> :D
09:41 < impl> http://pastie.caboo.se/
09:42 < Macen> i usually use firefox but some script is being unresponsive and i cba checking which of mine it is yet :D
09:42 < Macen> so i would of had a choice of the more common ones
09:42 < Macen> pastebins are slooowww
09:43 < Macen> although, it does say: ript: chrome://firebug/content/net.js:1298
09:43 < Macen> blah..
09:44 < Macen> i wonder if he knows his name is being used like that
09:44 < Macen> don't you think that is like..just wrong.
09:44  * impl shrugs
09:44 < impl> It's a free country
09:44 < Macen> OMFG
09:44 < Macen> arghhh
09:45 < Macen> impl: s'pose
09:45 < Macen> brb
09:46 < Macen> craigfairhurst   301  95.2  5.1   656440 214360   ??  Rs    3:00pm  43:00.28 /Applications/Firefox 3.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox-bin -foreground
09:46 < Macen> heh..
09:46 < impl> KILL DASH NINE
09:46 < impl> NO MORE CPU TIME
09:46 < Macen> madness
09:47 < Macen> serves me right for restarting
09:47 < impl> madness? This is Mozilla!
09:47  * Macen suspects the firebug update
09:47 < Macen> there was one yesterday
09:48 < Macen> and it was a beta so i'll let 'em off heh
09:48 < Macen> should probably report it though...
10:05 < ttj> Hmm... Was there some official way to direct the flow from one action to another?
10:05 < MikeSeth> forward containers?
10:06 < impl> guys
10:06 < impl> is fixing the build system a CHG or an ADD in the changelog
10:06 < impl> considering I ended up rewriting it
10:07 < MikeSeth> I think it's WNR
10:07 < MikeSeth> ;>
10:07 < impl> lawl
10:07 < ttj> Hmm... Are forward containers new? Where can I find info on how to use them?
10:08 < Wombert> forward containers are containers with "is_forward" set to true
10:08 < MikeSeth> ttj: no
10:08 < Wombert> also, createForwardContainer() does some convenience stuff for you regarding argument forwarding etc
10:08 < Wombert> basically, you're supposed to use a forward container when forwarding to another action from a view
10:08 < Wombert> (by returning it)
10:09 < ttj> Ah, thanks.
10:11 < MikeSeth> m<3 emacs
10:11 < MikeSeth> coffee.el provides an Emacs interface to RFC2324-compliant coffee
10:11 < MikeSeth> devices
10:15 < CIA-5> impl * r2596 /trunk/ (330 files in 49 dirs): Merging changes from branches/impl-build_system into trunk, updating CHANGELOG and RELEASE_NOTES, closes #689
10:17 < impl> oshi-
10:17 < MikeSeth> ZOMG
10:17 < MikeSeth> :D
10:19 < v-dogg> backport to 0.11!  ;)
10:20 < v-dogg> to 0.11.3 and release today kthx ;)
10:21 < MikeSeth> Wombert: SEE?! SEE?!
10:21 < MikeSeth> the nation wants a backport
10:21 < MikeSeth> ;D
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10:43 < StanVs> hi guys
10:43 < StanVs> all those XML files that generate code, when are they regenerated
10:43 < StanVs> do they automatically regen if I edit the XML?
10:44 < StanVs> or do I trigger the update somehow?
10:56 < StanVs> if someone has an idea please answer, I'll bbl and check for answers :) thanks
10:56 < marklar|omni> ugh
10:57  * marklar|omni is at home
11:00 < v-dogg> StanVs: configs are re-parsed and cached if the modification time of the config is newer than the cached file's
11:01 < StanVs> v-dogg, hi, thanks
11:01 < StanVs> v-dogg, does that mean you check the config modify time every request?
11:01 < v-dogg> in development mode (debug=true in settings.xml) cache is cleared on every request
11:01 < StanVs> yea
11:01 < StanVs> but on production
11:02 < StanVs> you do filemtime() on every config/cache?
11:02 < v-dogg> I think so (just checking, hang on a sec)
11:03 < v-dogg> yes
11:03 < v-dogg> return (!is_readable($cachename) || filemtime($filename) > filemtime($cachename));
11:04 < StanVs> wait, is there ONE config file? They're many right?
11:04 < StanVs> this is done for all?
11:04 < v-dogg> sure
11:04 < StanVs> is it causing performance issues?
11:05 < v-dogg> at least not that I'm aware of
11:05 < StanVs> all right
11:05 < StanVs> thanks v-dogg
11:05 < trophaeum_> stats will get cached on an os level pretty easily
11:06 < StanVs> maybe, I'm testing on Windows which doesn't seem to. But I'll deploy on Linux, so I'll check there.
11:06 < trophaeum_> put xcache in ur production environment while ur at it, agavi will be lightning fast then
11:07 < StanVs> sure, well filemtime() won't be affected by xcache ;)
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11:07 < trophaeum_> no, but the cached config file will be stored in the opcode cache :)
11:07 < StanVs> :)
11:09 < trophaeum_> anyway, if thats your biggest performance issue when you put your codebase in production, thats easy enough to work with :)
11:10 < StanVs> true
11:13 < CIA-5> impl * r2597 /branches/impl-build_system/: Requiescat in pace, [2310:2596/branches/impl-build_system], et lux tui omnes in libertate ducat
11:13 < v-dogg> :D
11:15 < Wombert> ZOMG LATIN ITS TEH DEVIL COMMITTING IM TELLING YOUS
11:16 < marklar|omni> zomg
11:16 < Wombert> backports
11:16 < Wombert> from my cold dead hands
11:16 < Wombert> !
11:18 < marklar|omni> BACKPORTS NAO
11:18 < marklar|omni> NAO!!
11:24 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: you're in ~?
11:29 < CIA-5> david * r2598 /trunk/ (9 files in 2 dirs): merge [2566:2597/branches/0.11]
11:39 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: ya, I think I have the same virus joe had
11:39 < marklar|omni> feeling meh
11:41 < Wombert> YOU SICK JEWS
11:41  * Wombert chuckles
11:41 < marklar|omni> ;[
11:43 < CIA-5> david * r2599 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/ (341 files in 53 dirs): merge [2568:2598/trunk]
11:47 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: o noes :<
11:47 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: now you get like 5 days to rest ;>
11:47 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: which ~?
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11:49 < marklar|omni> kfs
11:49 < MikeSeth> oic
11:49 < marklar|omni> I'm not sure its the same thing
11:49 < MikeSeth> having to face joe's mom
11:49 < MikeSeth> lol
11:49 < impl> Warning: Channel validator warning: field "version" - versions less than 1.0.0 cannot be stable
11:49 < marklar|omni> hehe
11:49 < impl> lawl PEAR
11:49 < marklar|omni> eating pizza tho
11:49 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: srsly that woman thinks she's 16
11:49 < MikeSeth> which is lol
11:50 < Macen> omg, max mosley was "cained and spanked, had his chest shaved, and was checked for nits" 
11:50 < Macen> ehh
11:51 < marklar|omni> heh
11:51 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: she was like, "zomg check this out"
11:51 < marklar|omni> and it was some tattoo site
11:51 < marklar|omni> with crazyass dragon tats
11:51 < marklar|omni> and shit
11:51 < marklar|omni> ;\
11:51 < Macen> also the women were dressed in concentration camp uniforms and they used some concentration camp nicknames 
11:51 < impl> so 0.11.x PEAR packages are all minorly broken
11:52 < impl> :D
11:52 < impl> Which is due to PEAR being fucking stupid, mostly
11:52 < marklar|omni> orly
11:52 < impl> yeah
11:53 < impl> something to the tune of "if it doesn't end in .php, it's not source code"
11:53 < impl> unless you specify exceptions
11:53 < marklar|omni> haha
11:53 < marklar|omni> I recently installed trac
11:53 < impl> fuckerssss
11:53 < marklar|omni> and it was like
11:53 < marklar|omni> "cannot find python egg cache"
11:53 < Macen> hows that different too apache
11:53 < marklar|omni> open source is so meh
11:53 < Macen> AddHandler .php .phtml :p
11:53 < marklar|omni> "omg no egg cache plz check zoo"
11:54 < marklar|omni> um yea
11:54 < marklar|omni> but apache isn't all about php yanno
11:54 < Macen> well ya
11:54 < marklar|omni> pear, otoh
11:54 < impl> this has nothing to do with Apache
11:54 < impl> at all
11:54 < marklar|omni> ...
11:54 < marklar|omni> impl: FACTS CANNOT CONFUSE US
11:54 < marklar|omni> PLZ.
11:55 < Macen> but ya where else would it get the info from
11:55 < Macen> not apache..but if you don't tell it
11:55 < impl> wtf are you talking about?
11:55 < Macen> headers?
11:55 < Macen> dunno
11:55 < marklar|omni> um heh
11:55 < impl> no, you should just be able to say 'everything in src is source code'
11:55 < impl> AND I WANT IT COPIED TO THE RIGHT DIRECTORY
11:56 < marklar|omni> impl: HOW DARE YOU DEMAND LOGIC AND CONSISTENCY
11:56 < marklar|omni> this is open sores
11:56 < marklar|omni> fix it yourself
11:56 < marklar|omni> :<
11:56 < Macen> haha
11:56 < Macen> oh ryt 
11:56 < Macen> i was just like "ehhh"
11:56 < impl> I will not touch PEAR with a 3.14159265358979323846 AND ONE HALF FOOT POLE
11:56 < Macen> PIIIIIIIIIIIII
11:56 < Macen> HI PI!!
11:56 < Macen> it's been like, years
11:57 < Macen> not seen you since... GCSE maths '96 ;(
11:57 < Macen> impl: how did you type PI out so damn quick!!!
11:57 < marklar|omni> impl: it took you that long to find pi? :<
11:57 < marklar|omni> Macen: why type, eh.
11:57 < impl> I have it memorized
11:57 < Macen> i thought him not typoing it out was obvious
11:58 < Macen> what else can you say :>
11:58 < impl> No, I did type it
11:58 < Macen> how was it on your clipboard? :p
11:58 < impl> I FUCKING TYPED IT FROM MY FUCKING BRAIN
11:58 < Macen> well then he copied it obviously
11:58 < Macen> where did you copy it? ;p
11:58 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: womang be crazeh
11:58 < Macen> OK
11:58 < Macen> OK
11:58 < Macen> SORRY
11:58 < Macen> IMPL
11:58 < Macen> OBVIOUSLY DUH
11:58 < Macen> ...
11:58 < marklar|omni> lies.
11:59 < Macen> i would like to see a video cast of that tbh
11:59 < MikeSeth> Macen, you should lay off shrooms
11:59 < MikeSeth> srsly
11:59 < Macen> OMG
11:59 < MikeSeth> also wtf lively.com O_O
11:59 < MikeSeth> i mean like WAT!!!1!
11:59 < Macen> you are the second person to say that to me
11:59 < Macen> in 2 days
11:59 < Macen> except, nfq said "have you popped too many pills today"
11:59 < Macen> maybe i should explain
12:00 < Macen> while i'm coding i drink coffee  heh
12:00 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: btw did you read the crazy woman shit
12:00 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: mad cow, 9-11, auqatic apes etc?
12:00 < marklar|omni> ya its fucked up
12:00 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: it's TOTALLY lol
12:00 < Wombert> [13:53] Macen: hows that different too apache
12:00 < Wombert> ...
12:00 < marklar|omni> heh MikeSeth 
12:00 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: and it only gets lulzier as you read it
12:00 < MikeSeth> Wombert: you should read it too
12:00 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: 
12:00 < marklar|omni> 11:11 < marklar|omni> wtf.
12:00 < marklar|omni> 11:12 < marklar|omni> lively.com
12:00 < marklar|omni> 14:59 < MikeSeth> also wtf lively.com O_O
12:00 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: @_@
12:00 < marklar|omni> hehe
12:01 < Macen> Wombert: the full sentence would be, how is that different to how apache determines what to parse as php
12:01 < marklar|omni> ITS LIKE WERE ON THE SAEM INTARWEBZ
12:01 < Macen> Wombert: meaning, you have to tell it what extensions to parse
12:01 < Macen> i was just like "eehhh"
12:02 < Macen> confused :x
12:02 < Wombert> it doesn't have anything to do with apache
12:02 < Wombert> we're not talking about apache or parsing php files
12:02 < Wombert> but thanks :)
12:02 < Wombert> MikeSeth: read what
12:02 < Macen> :) food
12:03 < Wombert> MikeSeth: oh the one about mad cow disease?
12:03 < MikeSeth> Wombert: yes
12:03 < MikeSeth> Wombert: and Chinese government and FBI etc
12:03 < Wombert> I read the first coupla paragraphs thinking it was satire or a funny IT REALLY HAPPENED K? story but...
12:03 < Wombert> dude that bitch is screwed up in her head
12:03 < MikeSeth> Wombert: YOU THINK?!?!
12:04 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: remember you wanted to build a sentry next to your office?
12:04 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: http://highwaychile.net/item/29/catid/2
12:04 < MikeSeth> now you can
12:04 < impl> omg next ticket is #800
12:04 < impl> SOMEONE FIND A BUG
12:06  * marklar|omni files a "agavi does not yet support coffee-over-http" issue
12:06 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: http://www.wegame.com/watch/TF2_Hitboxes/
12:06 < marklar|omni> ya saw that
12:06 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: anyway that sentry is only level 1
12:07 < marklar|omni> french have Armor of Cheese Stench +3
12:07 < marklar|omni> so I need teh upgrade
12:11 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2324.html
12:11 < MikeSeth> :D
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12:13 < CIA-5> impl * r2600 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG etc/phing/AgaviPackageTask.php): Fix #799: PEAR installations place src/routing/soap files in the data directory rather than the source directory
12:13 < impl> OH
12:13 < impl> REVISION 2600
12:14 < impl> I AM SO LEET
12:14  * impl haxx0rz j00r b0xx3n
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12:21 < MikeSeth> durrr
12:24 < Wombert> how is 2600 leet
12:24 < Wombert> :<
12:25 < MikeSeth> used to be mad leet
12:25 < MikeSeth> btw
12:25 < MikeSeth>     if ($prizes->creditRemoteAccount($new_account, $prize))
12:25 < MikeSeth>       {
12:25 < MikeSeth>         $this->logInternal("Credited $new_account with {$prize->total} JGs");
12:25 < MikeSeth>         return true;
12:25 < MikeSeth>       }
12:25 < MikeSeth> guess what JGs means :D
12:26 < impl> lolol
12:26 < MikeSeth> I really got sick of writing "base currency, US dollars" everywhere
12:26 < MikeSeth> ;>
12:27 < impl> Wombert: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2600_hertz
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12:28 < rozza> huomenta
12:30 < Macen> impl lol
12:30 < Macen> you clearly just made that up !?!
12:30 < impl> made /what/ up?
12:30 < Macen> 2600 is leet because it's the Htz of a telephone line !!??
12:31  * MikeSeth facepalm
12:31 < MikeSeth> you dont KNOW what 2600 is?!
12:31 < MikeSeth> impl: we're so old school :<
12:31 < Macen> i know what 31337 is
12:31 < Macen> it started off as that...
12:31 < Macen> then it was 1337
12:31 < MikeSeth> no
12:32 < MikeSeth> it was way, way before the internet
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12:32 < MikeSeth> public internet, anyway
12:32 < impl> MikeSeth: I know right ...
12:33  * MikeSeth throws 60 issues of phrack at Macen 
12:33 < MikeSeth> READ THOSE
12:33 < Macen> i am doing... still don't see it
12:33 < Macen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2600_hertz <<i'm reading that
12:34 < Wombert> NO
12:34 < Wombert> WHAT
12:34 < Wombert> OMG
12:34 < Wombert> I never realized xkcd had alt tags
12:34 < Wombert> zomg zomg zomg
12:35 < MikeSeth> Macen: it's about blueboxing and the 2600 mag, not the DTMF beeps
12:35 < impl> almost all the new issues of 2600 are fail though
12:35  * rozza waves to Wombert
12:36 < Wombert> ROSS
12:36 < Wombert> WUZAH
12:36 < Wombert> man I need you!
12:36 < Wombert> query plz
12:36 < rozza> shoot
12:36 < MikeSeth> O_O
12:36 < MikeSeth> I SEE ROSS
12:36 < Macen> i don't think 2600 is as synonymous with 1337 as you are making out but if you say so then so be it !!11
12:36 < Macen> lolol
12:36 < MikeSeth> Macen: 2600 is a legend
12:36 < Macen> i believe you !!
12:36 < MikeSeth> 1137 is just a stupid way to spell
12:37 < Macen> evidence would of helped but you know
12:37 < impl> /sigh
12:37 < Macen> Results 1 - 10 of about 80,200,000 for 1337. (0.06 seconds) 
12:37 < Macen> Results 1 - 10 of about 129,000,000 for 2600. (0.10 seconds) 
12:37 < impl> Macen: http://phrack.org/issues.html?issue=1&id=7#article
12:38 < Macen> there
12:38 < Macen> are you happy now
12:38 < impl> No, you still don't make any sense
12:38 < Macen> OMGWTFLOL
12:39 < Macen> clearly google's search stats are the VERY BEST indicator of popularity heheaha
12:39 < impl> this isn't a popularity contest
12:39 < impl> ...
12:39 < Macen> your confusionary tactics are fail
12:39 < impl> your inability to comprehend anything we have said is more fail
12:39 < MikeSeth> impl: lol bawwww destructive
12:40 < MikeSeth> impl: read the comments
12:40 < MikeSeth> Macen: you have a major gap in the hacker culture area, sir
12:40 < Macen> I AM NOT A HACKER
12:40 < Macen> please, thanks.
12:40 < impl> MikeSeth: hehehe
12:41 < rozza> yo MikeSeth
12:41 < impl> Macen: ignorance is not an excuse :~
12:41 < impl> now go learn
12:41 < Macen> omg
12:42 < Macen> i didn't know that was expected of me :(
12:42 < Macen> please forgive :(
12:42 < Macen> lolol :p
12:42 < impl> ...
12:43 < Macen> mmh?
12:43 < Macen> not sure what you want me to say, impl :p
12:44 < v-dogg> nothing, perhaps
12:44 < impl> I don't want you to say anything, I want you to stop being facetious and ignorant at the same time, because it's very annoying
12:44 < impl> and borderline just arrogant
12:45 < Wombert> word
12:47  * Wombert pets rozza 
12:48 < v-dogg> sweeeet loving
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12:48 < MikeSeth> i came
12:48 < v-dogg> need a paper towel?
12:49 < CIA-5> david * r2601 /branches/david-stampede_protection/ (13 files in 5 dirs): merge [2550:2600/branches/0.11]
12:49 < Wombert> MikeSeth: how
12:50 < v-dogg> screaming?
12:50 < MikeSeth> Wombert: how what
12:50 < MikeSeth> btw
12:50 < MikeSeth> what's stampede protection :D
12:51 < impl> it's so your caching doesn't get stuck in a constant loop when it's trying to be (re-)generated
12:51 < impl> because the application is getting hit hard
12:51 < MikeSeth> oh niec
12:52 < Wombert> MikeSeth: request... cached
12:52 < Wombert> takes 10s to complete
12:52 < Wombert> hence cache
12:52 < Wombert> now requests come
12:52 < Wombert> many... 20 per second
12:52 < Wombert> and now the cache gets stale
12:52 < Wombert> for the next 10 seconds, all requests will re-generate the cache
12:52 < Wombert> which is fail
12:52 < Wombert> solution: serve stale data to the following requests
12:54 < MikeSeth> so you're implementing some sort of atomicity in the cache? Until version X is complete, version Y is served?
12:54 < Wombert> no, its just hooks so you can do that in userspace
12:54 < Wombert> but that's difficult enough already ;)
12:54 < Wombert> there's a million points where stuff can go wrong
12:55 < MikeSeth> this is an interesting problem
12:55 < MikeSeth> i've never thought about it
12:56 < Wombert> it's called "dogpile" problem or something
12:57 < v-dogg> I wonder why... 
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13:03 < what_> hey, is zend framework slower than agavi?
13:04 < impl> There are an uncountable number of factors involved in determining whether something is "faster" or "slower" than something else in that regard
13:04 < v-dogg> that's not a "yes/no" question
13:05 < Wombert> I've been told / read / heard that zf can be quite slow at times
13:05 < impl> Sure, but so can Agavi :P
13:05 < MikeSeth> actually i ran some apps under profiler
13:05 < v-dogg> slower to develop complex multi-output-type applications? I would think so :)
13:06 < MikeSeth> apparently most time is spent in sprintf() somewhere
13:06 < v-dogg> +witn
13:06 < MikeSeth> but i havent looked
13:06 < v-dogg> withÄ
13:06 < impl> haha, sprintf?
13:06 < MikeSeth> Wombert: where's ka0s btw
13:06 < impl> MikeSeth: He's sitting behind me
13:07 < MikeSeth> say hi
13:07 < MikeSeth> impl: wait you people are all in the same office nao?
13:07 < MikeSeth> DO WANT
13:07 < impl> lawl
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13:07 < Wombert> uh sure MikeSeth 
13:07 < Wombert> :p
13:07 < MikeSeth> oh hay dominiq
13:07 < MikeSeth> ;>
13:07 < kaos|work_> hi
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13:08 < kaos|work> how are you ? :>
13:09 < MikeSeth> are fine
13:09 < MikeSeth> you dont show up a whole lot here lately 
13:09 < MikeSeth> so i was wondering watup
13:09 < kaos|work> oh, lots of work to do
13:10 < kaos|work> as you can see from my agavi commit level as well
13:11 < kaos|work> and i dun like you lot :p
13:11 < Wombert> someone has to earn teh bucks <:
13:11 < kaos|work> which wombert spends so happily
13:11  * Wombert pets
13:11 < kaos|work> on crack
13:11 < kaos|work> and other things ;)
13:11 < Wombert> and women
13:11 < Wombert> caaaars
13:11 < impl> Is that legal here?
13:11 < Wombert> yes, we're not a backwards country impl 
13:11 < impl> :(
13:12 < Wombert> otoh, you can't shoot people in the face just for kicks with one of your five shotguns
13:12 < Wombert> which I guess is reasonable
13:12 < MikeSeth> no it aint
13:14 < Macen> lols
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13:16 < MikeSeth> people should be able to bear guns
13:17 < MikeSeth> and flamethrowers
13:17 < MikeSeth> i want a flamethrower
13:17 < Wombert> MMMMDDDC
13:17 < Macen> i wouldn't come visit the uk tbh, we have to fight for the right to play music in our own bloody buildings TO OUR SELVES 
13:17 < MikeSeth> that would be so awesome
13:17 < Macen> without being taken to court by some fucking huge company !!
13:17 < Macen> just lol
13:17 < Macen> heh
13:18 < impl> yeah... because there's no recording industry presence in America either
13:18 < MikeSeth> <noob> HOW DO I RUN JAVASCRIPT FROM PHP
13:18 < MikeSeth> <MikeSeth> MFMFMMF MFM MFMFMMF, MMFMFMFMFMFMF!
13:18 < MikeSeth> * MikeSeth burns noob to death
13:18 < MikeSeth> heaven
13:18  * Macen giggles
13:18 < Macen> i <3 me
13:19 < Wombert> DANKE HERR DOKTOR
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13:27 < Macen> ok
13:27 < Macen> can i just say, http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/WTF
13:28 < Macen> the slots bit *could* be clearer ..
13:28 < Macen> "A good idea is to catch this situation in your setupHtml() method in the base view (you have both of these, don't you?) "
13:28 < Macen> well duh, course you do, if you only just found this problem then you're not going to have anything else
13:29 < Macen> and..
13:29 < Macen> "Of course, you then also need a "slot" layout that only has one content layer. "
13:30 < Macen> first time i read that, i didn't realise it was talking about the code above it...mainly 'cause it hadn't clicked in my brain what that code was ctually doing in the scheme of things
13:30 < Macen> i thought that was a directional step to something else
13:30 < Macen> if you get me
13:30 < Macen> heh.
13:34 < v-dogg> it's not an easy topic to clarify (for agavi noobs to whom the whole concept of slots and layouts is not clear)
13:35 < v-dogg> but I'm confident that MikeSeth's awesome tutorial covers all this 
13:36 < Macen> i literally just came across the problem again, and remembered the WTF had the solution
13:36 < Macen> and reading it again so soon after just made me think
13:37 < v-dogg> the default templates could have this built-in
13:39 < Macen> i'm way off understanding all of what is written in the comments
13:46 < MikeSeth> nice $$$ at 12 year low
13:47 < MikeSeth> harr harr
13:50 < Macen> man i love working in this office block
13:50 < Macen> i may/may not of mentioned i had a bit of a spat with the owners who are just a married couple who got a mortgage and built this place
13:50 < Macen> but they are from this hugely wealthy family so like...heh..
13:50 < Macen> anyway
13:51 < Macen> since i sent them an email saying "your charges are out of order" etc things have never been the same
13:51 < Macen> and this week it's coming to a head a bit
13:51 < Macen> the wife is clearly not happy 'cause they got in a work experience noob and it's clearly not going well
13:52 < Macen> and the people in the office block just aren't helping lol
13:52 < Macen> hilarious 
13:52 < impl> I, huh, what?
13:54 < v-dogg> I thought I didn't understand because English isn't my native language but obviously someone else didn't either :)
13:54 < Macen> "a spat" is like an argument
13:54 < Macen> but a polite one
13:55 < Macen> work experience is where someone comes and works for you for free for 2 weeks
13:56 < Macen> and they get time off school
13:56 < saracen> But the best thing is, you can have sexual relationships with them, because it won't be an office romance for long.
13:56 < Macen> haha
13:56 < saracen> The down side is, they're not always legal age. But thats only a problem once you've been caught.
13:57 < Macen> oh, i thought you meant with the married couple !!
13:57 < Macen> lol
13:57 < Macen> as in, i'd get kicked out after a while :)
13:57 < saracen> lol
13:58 < Macen> the builders who had to deal with this couple throughout the building of this place have been the "intermediary" party
13:59 < Macen> luckily for me the builders never said anything but i suspect they don't really this couple
13:59 < Macen> so things have gone easy for me..
13:59 < Macen> thank god
13:59 < Macen> heh
13:59 < Macen> don't really like* this couple
13:59 < Macen> anyway, boring storyof the day over
13:59 < Macen> heh
14:05 < MikeSeth> heh
14:05 < MikeSeth> mark is now exploiting my gamez box for tf2
14:05 < MikeSeth> he called in sick
14:05 < MikeSeth> and now he's gonna be raep'n 
14:05 < MikeSeth> want
14:05 < impl> lawl
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14:27 < Macen> think i found a bug
14:27 < Macen> if you create a model with the "." syntax, eg, Slots.MenuModel
14:27 < Macen> it doesn't create the folder as expected and then in the file
14:28 < Macen> it uses the . which causes a parse error
14:28 < Macen> class Public_Slots.MenuModel extends ProjectBaseModel
14:29 < Macen> that was done from the initial build script, tried with "agavi model" and no joy
14:30 < MikeSeth> I never realized submodels are supported
14:30 < v-dogg> are they?
14:30 < v-dogg> I don't think so
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14:31 < v-dogg> and that's way it doesn't create any folders but uses the name as-is
14:31 < impl> Wombert is making me make changes that are architecturally wrong
14:31 < impl> Make sure you harass him the next time you see him
14:31 < impl> :D
14:33 < Macen> can i fluffle you impl? :(
14:33 < impl> MikeSeth: they aren't afaik, ->getModel doesn't know how to handle them
14:33 < MikeSeth> impl: naturally
14:33  * Macen fluffles impl
14:33 < v-dogg> Macen: you can't use models like that
14:34 < v-dogg> or you can, Agavi can't
14:34 < Macen> k
14:34 < v-dogg> meaning context->getModel doesn't work
14:34 < MikeSeth> it's a question of "should" not "can"
14:34 < v-dogg> and the build script doesn't either
14:35 < impl> The new one will tell you that you can't use . and then replace it with an underscore, I think
14:35 < impl> I /think/
14:35 < v-dogg> impl thinks, therefor he is
14:35 < v-dogg> +e
14:35 < impl> impl cogitat, ergo est
14:36 < v-dogg> :)
14:36  * impl ponders the German version
14:37 < MikeSeth> DURA LEX TALIONIS
14:37 < MikeSeth> .
14:38 < Macen> where are models defined?
14:38 < v-dogg> defined? 
14:38 < v-dogg> you mean how are they loaded?
14:38 < Macen> Couldn't find class for Model Menu		
14:38 < Macen> when removing the incorrectly created model, all i did was remove the file
14:38 < v-dogg> if you don't use $this->context->getModel() you need to load them yourself or use autoload
14:40 < v-dogg> they aren't "defined" anywhere
14:41 < v-dogg> AgaviContext loads them from app/models/ or app/modules/MyModule/models/
14:41 < Fou4th> What should I do to use new renderer effectively?
14:41 < impl> keep in mind only AgaviModels get the AgaviContext
14:41 < Macen> $oMenu = $this->context->getModel('Menu', $this->container->getModuleName());
14:42 < Macen> "getModel('Menu'," was causing it
14:42 < Fou4th> currently I added renderer creation and initialization to View's method executeHtml() instead of calling setupHtml
14:42 < Fou4th> But I think that's not good.
14:42 < v-dogg> Macen: the file isn't there, the file is wrongly named or the class is not there / is wrongly named
14:43 < Macen> v-dogg: thanks 
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14:54 < Macen> is it possible to have <system_action name="error_404"> be loaded through a template, such as:  <parameter name="template">Master</parameter>
14:55 < MikeSeth> no, but you can AgaviConfig::set() it IIRC
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14:55 < Wombert> eh!?
14:55 < Wombert> what?
14:55 < Wombert> ...
14:55 < Wombert> man Macen just look at the view please :/
14:55 < Wombert> you just need to load a layout!
14:56 < Wombert> the default ones statically build a renderer so they still work even if you switch renderers to smarty or whatever
14:56 < impl> REMOVED
14:56 < impl> STUPID IDEA
14:56  * impl runs
14:56 < v-dogg> haha :p
14:56 < Wombert> did you?
14:56 < Wombert> good
14:56  * Wombert pets impl 
14:56 < impl> In all of them except the WelcomeAction
14:56 < impl> that one still has it
14:56 < impl> OUR BRANDING MUST NEVER BE HIDDEN
14:57 < MikeSeth> wat
14:57 < v-dogg> Macen: error actions are just normal actions with normal views. edit the view.
14:57 < Fou4th> so what about renderers?
14:58 < v-dogg> just out of curiosity, what are you trying to accomplish?
14:58 < MikeSeth> what about them?
14:58 < Fou4th> How can I use different renderer for some Views?
14:59 < Macen> is a layout a layer?
14:59 < MikeSeth> Macen: no
14:59 < Fou4th> layer
14:59 < MikeSeth> Macen: a layout is a layer configuration
14:59 < MikeSeth> Fou4th: you can set up the rendering manually or use an alternative layout/output type configuration
14:59 < v-dogg> Macen: look at your output_types.xml
15:00 < Macen> <layout name="slot">
15:00 < Macen>                         <layer name="content" />
15:00 < Macen>                     </layout>
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15:00 < v-dogg> Macen: and loadLayout() in your view
15:00 < v-dogg> surely you can see the connection
15:00 < Macen> that is: $this->appendLayer($this->createLayer('AgaviFileTemplateLayer', 'content', $renderer));
15:00 < Fou4th> Actually I do the following:
15:00 < Fou4th> $cont = $this->createSlotContainer('Blog', 'Comments');
15:00 < Fou4th> $this->getLayer('content')->setSlot('comments', $cont);
15:01 < Fou4th> so where and what should I set?
15:01 < Fou4th> slot 'comments' is not defined in output_types
15:01 < MikeSeth> Fou4th: <layer name="content"><slot name="comments" action="Comments" module="Blog"/></layer>
15:01 < MikeSeth> then just loadLayout() that configuration in the view
15:01 < Fou4th> So I should create different layout for that page?
15:01 < Wombert> nononno Macen 
15:02 < Wombert> noooooo
15:02 < Wombert> no no no
15:02 < Wombert> no you shouldn't Fou4th 
15:02 < Wombert> you got it right
15:02 < Wombert> err I meant MikeSeth 
15:02 < Wombert> sorry Macen :>
15:02 < Macen> ok
15:02 < MikeSeth> i are confus
15:02 < Wombert> a layout is just a style/type/lala of page
15:02 < Wombert> in this case, he has a comments slot
15:02 < Wombert> that should only show up on one page
15:02 < Wombert> for a posting or whatever
15:02 < Wombert> so you set it programmatically in the view
15:02 < Wombert> creating a layout for that is wrong
15:02 < MikeSeth> from my experience it usually crops up and gets moved into layout config
15:03 < Wombert> typical layouts are "normal", "slim", "sidebar" etc
15:03 < Wombert> nah definitely not
15:03 < Fou4th> then I create renderer object in the Blog_CommentsSuccessView::executeHtml()
15:03 < Wombert> nnnno Fou4th 
15:04 < Wombert> you load a layout
15:04 < Wombert> then you set your slot on one of the layers
15:04 < Fou4th> yep, I load layout in setupHtml() of base project View class
15:05 < Fou4th> but where I have to set renderer?
15:05 < v-dogg> so Fou4th doesn't want a different _renderer_? just a dynamically loaded slot?
15:05 < v-dogg> me confus, too
15:05 < Wombert> you don't Fou4th 
15:05 < Wombert> oh wait
15:05 < Wombert> [16:58] Fou4th: How can I use different renderer for some Views?
15:05 < Fou4th> I want different renderer for selected slot
15:05 < Fou4th> maybe slots
15:06 < Wombert> oh!
15:06 < v-dogg> yeah, I thought so :)
15:06 < Fou4th> it's Xsl renderer
15:06 < Wombert> well then
15:06  * v-dogg slaps Wombert 
15:06 < Wombert> you load a different layout
15:06 < Wombert> :D
15:06 < Fou4th> :)
15:06 < Wombert> that layout just has another renderer defined
15:06 < Wombert> but
15:06 < Wombert> you load that layout in the slot!
15:06 < Wombert> not in the "calling" view
15:06 < Fou4th> hmmm
15:06 < Macen> Wombert: you just need to load a layout! <---how
15:06 < Fou4th> got it
15:06 < v-dogg> Macen: $this->loadLayout
15:06 < Wombert> cool Fou4th 
15:06 < Wombert> Macen: look at $this->setupHtml)...
15:07 < Fou4th> will try
15:07 < v-dogg> Macen: just like you do now in you setupHtml
15:07 < Macen> Fatal error: Call to undefined method Public_Error404SuccessView::setupHtml()
15:07 < v-dogg> sigh...
15:07 < v-dogg> Macen: it doesn't extend your base view
15:07 < Macen> it extends AgaviView
15:07 < v-dogg> ...where the setupHtml is
15:07 < Macen> yeh i noticed 
15:07 < Wombert> ...
15:08 < v-dogg> yes, change it
15:08 < Wombert> as I said above, these default system actions are built different
15:08 < Wombert> so they always work by default
15:08 < Wombert> people are supposed to adapt them to their codebase stuff, ofc
15:09 < Fou4th> so, where in the output_types shoul I set renderer?
15:09 < Fou4th> I've just created new layout with name "comments"
15:09 < Fou4th> and with single layer "content"
15:10 < Wombert> <layer ... renderer="name"Y
15:11 < Fou4th> fantastic
15:11 < Fou4th> it works
15:11 < Fou4th> thanks
15:11 -!- MikeSeth changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: stable/latest: 0.11.2 :: http://agavi.org/ :: want svn? use http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta :: 15:47 <Flukey> now i think about it, it all makes perfect sense :) <Fou4th> fantastic
15:11 -!- MikeSeth changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: stable/latest: 0.11.2 :: http://agavi.org/ :: want svn? use http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta :: 15:47 <Flukey> now i think about it, it all makes perfect sense :) <Fou4th> fantastic <Fou4th> it works
15:11 < MikeSeth> :D
15:11 < impl> lawl
15:12 < impl> We should have a Websight for these
15:12 -!- MikeSeth changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: stable/latest: 0.11.2 :: http://agavi.org/ :: want svn? use http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta :: <Flukey> now i think about it, it all makes perfect sense :) :: <Fou4th> fantastic <Fou4th> it works
15:12 < what_> guys, when you are planning to release agavi 1.0
15:12 < what_> when, when, when :)
15:12 < MikeSeth> what_: in a couple of months
15:12 < MikeSeth> but it works already ;>
15:12 < Fou4th> :)
15:12 < Wombert> what_: 0.11 is api compatible
15:12 < Wombert> we're just adding documentation and doing some refactoring
15:13 < Wombert> 0.11 is good for production use, today
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15:13 < Fou4th> I'm working with AgaviXslRenderer from svn, it looks fine for me
15:14 < Fou4th> for single layer
15:14 < Fou4th> why it wasn't released?
15:16 < what_> im working with agavi on my own projects but without stable version 1.0 it isnt attractive for my company where im permanently working
15:16 < Wombert> what_: 0.11 is the stable version
15:16 < what_> and without docs :(
15:16 < Wombert> 1.0 is the stable version and docs
15:17 < Wombert> we're working on docs as we speak :)
15:17 < Wombert> its all gonna be ready in the fall
15:17 < Wombert> you need a dom document, Fou4th 
15:17 < Wombert> that's the main problem
15:17 < Wombert> then.. how do slots work etc etc etc
15:17 < Wombert> its a bit lame all
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15:17 < Wombert> it kind of contradicts our suggestion of building univeral, interoperable stuff
15:18 < _stachu> and i must work with zend framework :(
15:19 < _stachu> and it's ugly in comparison with agavi :)
15:19 < Fou4th> From my viewpoint Agavi is much complex than other popular frameworks, but it is also very extensible. But without detailed docs it's really hard to learn it
15:20 < MikeSeth> Fou4th: it's coming
15:24 < Macen> http://paste2.org/p/46426 ...............
15:24 < Macen> it sends the 404 header successfully, so ok..............
15:24 < Macen> but it doesn't pass the HTML in the template into the $inner
15:25 < Macen> http://paste2.org/p/46427
15:25 < Macen> that's output_types.xml
15:26 < impl> MY GOD PHING IS FUCKING STUPID
15:26 < impl> IT IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE WHETHER A PATH IS ABSOLUTE OR NOT
15:29 < Wombert>         public function executeHtml(AgaviRequestDataHolder $rd)
15:29 < Wombert> ?
15:29 < Wombert> in the action, Macen?
15:30 < Macen> well i figured if i'm using public function executeHtml(AgaviRequestDataHolder $rd) in the view...
15:30 < impl> ...
15:31 < impl> http://java.sun.com/blueprints/patterns/MVC-detailed.html
15:31 < impl> read that plz
15:31 < impl> and then tell me why you should never have HTML in your controllers
15:32 < Macen> doesn't executeHtml tell the view what to use?
15:32 < Macen> ie, return 'Success';
15:32 < impl> Do what I said
15:33 < Wombert> macen
15:33 < Wombert> in the view
15:33 < Wombert> execute()
15:33 < Wombert> or, specifically for an output type... executeBlah()
15:33 < Wombert> in actions
15:33 < Wombert> you have execute methods for request methods
15:33 < Wombert> not for output types
15:34 < Macen> oh i see
15:34 < Wombert> actions never know anything about how they are called, what the output type is, etc etc etc
15:34 < Macen> i understand
15:35 < Wombert> cause then, your code becomes reusable
15:35 < Wombert> and clean
15:35 < Wombert> and all
15:35 < Macen> actions are told what to use by the environment is my understanding 
15:35 < saracen> purdy.
15:35 < Wombert> saracen: hmm?
15:35 < Wombert> Macen: well...
15:35 < Wombert> an action is run
15:35 < Wombert> when... for instance... the routing says so
15:36 < saracen> Wombert: Nothing. Was just continuing on what you were saying. "and all ... purdy"
15:36 < Wombert> oh
15:36 < Wombert> :>
15:36 < Macen> right yeh
15:38 < Macen> so routing actually determines the environment, but in this case, it's a 404 so a route wasn't matched
15:38 < Macen> so i need to create a 404 route
15:40 < Wombert> environment is someting else
15:40 < Wombert> and no, you don't have to do that
15:40 < Wombert> it runs the 404 action when no route matched
15:40 < Wombert> among other things
15:41 < Macen> but something must be done differently as the template file is not passed to the decorator
15:41 < Macen> hence $inner is NULL
15:44 < v-dogg> Macen: have you looked what's inside setupHtml or do you just use it because it was recommended?
15:44 < Macen> err
15:44 < Macen> you mean in the agavi core?
15:44 < v-dogg> no, I mean setupHtml in your baseview
15:45 < v-dogg> which calls loadLayout do that you don't have to do that in every view
15:45 < v-dogg> s/do/so/
15:48 < Wombert> maybe it loads a wrong layout or something
15:49 < v-dogg> the layout doesn't have content layer
15:49 < Wombert> oh
15:49 < Wombert> well that explains it then
15:49 < Wombert> ...
15:49 < v-dogg> ... --- ...
15:50 < Macen> ah 
15:50 < Macen> yep, working now
15:50 < Macen> figured out half a dozen things in the process heh
15:50 < impl> .-.. --- .-..
15:50 < Macen> <layer name="content" />
15:51 < Macen> but where is that defined?
15:51 < impl> right there
15:51 < Macen> i mean, how does it know to look for a content layer in the layout?
15:52 < Macen> $layoutName is only ever NULL / slot
15:52 < Macen> heh the rest of the site must of not been working either then
15:53 < Macen> in that case
15:54 < Wombert> null = default
15:56 < v-dogg> "If no layout name is given, the default layout will be used." says teh API doc (YES WE DO HAVE THOSE KTHX BAIBAIBAI)
16:02 < Macen> haha
16:02 < Macen> right thanks
16:02 < Macen> probably best that there are no docs tbh
16:02 < Macen> at least it gets explained to you heh
16:03 < Macen> a tutorial would be nice though
16:04 < v-dogg> I don't know if anyone has told you but those are all being worked on
16:05 < saracen> I'll probably stop using agavi after it has documents. It just won't be cool any more.
16:05 < Macen> MikeSeth did say yes
16:06 < Macen> i found it hard to believe tbh
16:06 < Macen> i'll believe it when i see it
16:06 < impl> I have a copy of it in my inbox
16:06 < impl> But thanks for your support
16:07 < Macen> ya well :)
16:08 < v-dogg> yeah, very encouraging
16:09 < saracen> Are the documents still going to be in xml format btw?
16:09 < v-dogg> yes, but DITA, not docbook
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16:11 < CIA-5> dominik * r2602 /branches/0.11/src/validator/AgaviDateTimeValidator.class.php: 
16:11 < CIA-5> allow using the AgaviDateDefinitions constants in addition to the constant names when creating the datetime validator manually
16:11 < CIA-5> closes #760
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17:11 < whisller> hi
17:11 < whisller> Maybe someone of you was installed gd on leopard?
17:12 < whisller> because i have a little problem ;p
17:12 < whisller> Whole compilation goes ok, after it i see commands on configure command list in phpinfo but I do not see a GD library O.o
17:19 < v-dogg> anyone uses ditausers.org? MikeSeth?
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17:38 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: no
17:38 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: why?
17:40 < v-dogg> just wondering if it's worth trying
17:40 < MikeSeth> idk
17:40 < v-dogg> they want my credit card number even for the free registration
17:40 < MikeSeth> what does it do?
17:40 < MikeSeth> o rly
17:40 < MikeSeth> then no
17:41 < v-dogg> it's a dita authoring tool
17:41 < v-dogg> web app
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17:50 < MikeSeth> well I aint giving it my credit card kthx
17:50 < impl> give it some arbitrary one that satisfies the arbitrary checksum requirements for CC#s
17:52 < v-dogg> what editor do you guys use?
17:52 < impl> emacs!
17:52 < v-dogg> of course, silly me :)
17:52 < MikeSeth> emacs
17:52 < MikeSeth> impl: they dont do these checks anymore
17:53 < MikeSeth> well they do for validity
17:53 < MikeSeth> but [almost] no one does as order check
17:53 < impl> yeah but they shouldn't be doing anything else with your card when you register for free anyway
17:54 < MikeSeth> right
17:54 < MikeSeth> then they dont need your credit card at all do they? :>
17:54 < MikeSeth> i mean
17:54 < impl> no :P
17:54 < MikeSeth> what's they gonna do with it
17:54 < MikeSeth> other than charge you? :>
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18:41 < MikeSeth> i just looked at the django tutorial
18:42 < MikeSeth> facepalm ;<
18:44 < impl> orly
18:51 < MikeSeth> yarly
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19:15 < MikeSeth> true or false
19:15 < MikeSeth> as a rule of thumb a View never modifies the User object
19:15 < impl> true
19:15 < impl> woot, I guessed right
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19:17 < v-dogg> by modifying you mean?
19:18 < v-dogg> and by user object you mean AgaviUser?
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19:38 < Fou4th> where agavi stores current user object?
19:39 < MikeSeth> Fou4th: hah
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19:39 < MikeSeth> I'm writing about it right now
19:40 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: yes, I mean it should never do anything that modifies the AgaviUser's state
19:40 < MikeSeth> right?
19:40 < MikeSeth> Fou4th: generally you shouldnt care where it's stored, Agavi persists it automatically
19:41 < MikeSeth> Fou4th: you can replace the session and storage under it though
19:45 < Fou4th> So if I want to save some data (login name for example) I should use setAttribute() method of user object?
19:46 < Fou4th> and call setAttribute() inside startup()?
19:52 < Fou4th> should go now, will ask tomorrow again :)
19:59 < MikeSeth> yep
19:59 < MikeSeth> just do it in the action
19:59 < Wombert_> MikeSeth: false, absolutely
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20:00 < MikeSeth> Wombert: other than storing UI-related stuff (widget sessions etc)
20:01 < MikeSeth> should a view be allowed to e.g. add credentials?
20:01 < Wombert> hm well
20:01 < Wombert> what about...
20:01 < Wombert> a login cookie or something
20:01 < Wombert> no, not that imo
20:01 < Wombert> oh wait
20:01  * Wombert ponders
20:01 < MikeSeth> makes no sense to me at all
20:05 < MikeSeth> Wombert: done pondering? can bother you with another question?
20:05 < v-dogg> UI-related stuff is often stored in my views but nothing else
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20:15 < MikeSeth> hello
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21:54 < MikeSeth> Wombert: I'm looking at the execution container here
21:55 < MikeSeth> Wombert: dont you think the execute() method should be split into submethods?
21:55 < MikeSeth> its like 5 pages long
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21:56 < MikeSeth> o
21:56 < MikeSeth> 21:54 <MikeSeth> Wombert: I'm looking at the execution container here
21:56 < MikeSeth> 21:54 <MikeSeth> Wombert: dont you think the execute() method should be split into submethods?
21:56 < MikeSeth> 21:54 <MikeSeth> its like 5 pages long
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21:57 < Wombert_> you mean filter?
21:57 < MikeSeth> the filter too
21:57 < MikeSeth> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/controller/AgaviExecutionContainer.class.php#L215
21:57 < MikeSeth> look at this hueg motherfucker
21:57 < MikeSeth> its bigger than xbox!
22:03 < MikeSeth> also uh huh
22:03 < MikeSeth> I think I'm seeing things here
22:04 < MikeSeth> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php#L506
22:04 < MikeSeth> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/view/AgaviTemplateLayer.class.php#L145
22:05 < MikeSeth> I are confus
22:06  * MikeSeth nudges Wombert 
22:07 < MikeSeth> impl: poek
22:07 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: poek
22:07 < MikeSeth> Wombert: poek
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22:14 < MikeSeth> this is inadequate
22:28 < Wombert_> re MikeSeth 
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22:28 < Wombert> gtg beds
22:28 < Wombert> the execute() method in atl is just convenience
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08:22 < MikeSeth> durrr
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10:36 < impl> rrrud
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11:14 < Macen> 0.11.2 released i see
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11:22 < CIA-5> impl * r2603 /trunk/ (14 files in 10 dirs): merge [2599:2600/branches/0.11], updating PEAR package task, and moving build system files around so that PEAR works correctly, with a few minor bugfixes
11:22 < Macen> MikeSeth: it's called a preauth check
11:23 < Macen> or it is with protx
11:23 < Macen> it's supposed to be used for repeat payments 
11:23  * MikeSeth looks at Macen 
11:23 < MikeSeth> WHAT?
11:24 < MikeSeth> srsly lay off the shrooms
11:24 < Macen> !!?!?!111
11:24 < Macen> brb..my client is acting weird
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11:24 < MikeSeth> right
11:24 < MikeSeth> client
11:24 < MikeSeth> hehe
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11:25 < Macen> hello??
11:25 < Macen> i don't think it likes having up to 99999 lines in the transcript browser..
11:25 < impl> Hi?
11:25 < Macen> oh hi
11:26 < Macen> srry about that heh
11:26 < MikeSeth> hehe
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11:32 < v-dogg> Macen: after 99999 lines you IRC client starts to output random lines with absolutely no point or relevance?
11:33 < Macen> i must of accidentally pressed my mouse last night when i was leaving, because i was connected all last night
11:34 < Macen> i'm not sure what happened, i was replying to MikeSeth 
11:34 < Macen> he was talking about credit cards
11:35 < ttj> 99 999 dollars of credit.
11:35 < Macen> i wish ;(
11:35 < Macen> was thinking of getting a new car last night...then reality hit home when i checked my bank account :/
11:36 < Macen> sucks to be me at the mo
11:36 < v-dogg> weren't you making shitloads of money?
11:36 < ttj> I was thinking of getting an IWC Mark XVI, but then I figured out that with the amount of money that the watch would cost, I could have ale and whores for at least two nights in a row!
11:36 < Macen> panaz is well over £10k now
11:37 < Macen> i've had...40%
11:37 < ttj> panaz?
11:37 < Macen> customer web development project
11:37 < ttj> Ah.
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12:51 < _cheerios> MikeSeth: you said you knew some decent anime? naruto kicks sp's and last exile's buttocks!
12:52 < impl> anime is fail
12:52 < impl> kthx
12:52 < MikeSeth> what
12:52 < MikeSeth> lies
12:52 < impl> no lies only truth
12:52 < MikeSeth> naruto is dragon ball z meeting preadolescence
12:52 < MikeSeth> no wait
12:53 < MikeSeth> it's just dragon ball z lol
13:00 < saracen> I need moar anime
13:00 < saracen> Wating for soul eater ep 12 to appear on the net =(
13:00 < MikeSeth> GitS SAC
13:00 < saracen> waiting*
13:04 < _cheerios> dbz? never watched it. some things age faster, and are better left alone, if you missed it!
13:04 < _cheerios> MikeSeth: other "decent" anime recommendations?
13:05 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: well, idk, Sen's adventure?
13:05 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: dunno what you like
13:05 < MikeSeth> (and I havent watched anime for years)
13:05 < impl> o_O;; LOOK I AM ANIME SWEAT BLOB MAN
13:07 < saracen> impl: You'd like anime if you gave it a chance!
13:10 < impl> never
13:10  * impl battles with Windows
13:12 < kaos|work_> impl: You'd like Windows if you gave it a chance!
13:12 < impl> :(
13:12 < Macen> i sense sarcasm
13:12 < Macen> or a flame war
13:12 < impl> brilliant deduction
13:13 < kaos|work_> if i wanted to flame impl i'd just point to our max osx server
13:13 < kaos|work_> and how using the console broke it
13:13 < kaos|work_> :P
13:13 < Macen> i don't use those
13:13 < MikeSeth> emacs > yuo
13:13 < MikeSeth> case closed
13:13 < kaos|work_> macosx > impl
13:13 < kaos|work_> :P
13:14 < MikeSeth> macosx broke impl?
13:14 < kaos|work_> no
13:14 < kaos|work_> impl broke macosx
13:14 < Macen> noob
13:14 < impl> no
13:14 < impl> OS X BROKE OS X
13:14 < impl> !
13:14 < MikeSeth> ergo impl > macosx
13:14 < kaos|work_> no, not hailing steve enough broke it
13:14 < kaos|work_> so ergo you broke it
13:15 < impl> :(
13:15 < MikeSeth> i see what you did there
13:15 < Macen> me too
13:15 < Macen> that was classy 
13:15  * kaos|work_ hugs impl
13:15 < nfq> how the hell did impl break os X/
13:15 < nfq> hacking it to pieces?
13:15 < kaos|work_> well, no
13:15 < impl> I 'touched' the 'command line'
13:16 < kaos|work_> they reinstalled the system
13:16 < kaos|work_> which worked
13:16 < impl> psh it didn't have Jabber or anything running before
13:16 < impl> all the stuff that was working still works
13:16 < kaos|work_> but the certificate stuff worked
13:16 < nfq> server?
13:16 < kaos|work_> WITH CLICKING
13:16 < _cheerios> MikeSeth: yer, sp looked like the last time you checked out anime was in the 80s
13:16 < kaos|work_> and w/o resorting back to linux torvalds geek console
13:16 < impl> K YUO CAN FIX IT NEXT TIME :((
13:17 < kaos|work_> K
13:17 < kaos|work_> WILL CALL STEVE THEN
13:17 < impl> D:
13:17 < impl> He will bring his gaysauce to our office
13:18 < nfq> don't call steve today. but tomorrow night will be good
13:18 < kaos|work_> nfq; yes, server
13:18 < nfq> but I think he will high on something, after a successful iPhone 3G launch
13:18 < impl> iPhone is full of lies and deceit!
13:18 < Macen> did they fix the connection speed issue? 
13:18 < nfq> impl: which parts?
13:18 < MikeSeth> did they fix the "OMG WHAT IS THIS SHIT" issue too?
13:19 < nfq> Macen: with the iPhone?
13:19 < Macen> yaya
13:19 < impl> all of the parts
13:19 < Macen> i heard multiple peons say it's slow
13:19 < nfq> iPhone is amazing, wtf you talking about
13:19 < Macen> email took forever
13:19 < kaos|work_> impl: and now compare that to any recent nokia phone
13:19 < nfq> it's slow over the net, that's true
13:19 < nfq> but fastest mobile ever
13:19 < Macen> ERGO, ISSUE.
13:19 < impl> psh Nokia N8[01]0 > *
13:19 < Macen> noob!
13:19 < nfq> it's not running core 2 duo or anything
13:19 < impl> it just connects to your phone~
13:20 < impl> and the N810 has an irlkeyboard
13:20 < impl> instead of an onscreen one
13:20 < nfq> well, nokia must have improved then..
13:20 < digitarald> it has 400Mhz or 600?
13:20 < nfq> but iPhone is changing the world
13:20 < nfq> and anybody who doesn't see that. is. well blind
13:20 < digitarald> changed the world for the fanboys
13:20 < nfq> no
13:20 < impl> only because Apple is full of PR bullshit
13:20 < nfq> for the whole industry
13:20 < digitarald> there is no new technology inside?
13:20 < kaos|work_> impl: i have only used the n95 ... and that thing was so dead slow
13:20 < nfq> there is
13:21 < nfq> the interface is amazing
13:21 < digitarald> thats why they had to release the 3G ... to not totally suck on the market
13:21 < impl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770
13:21 < impl> SINCE 2005
13:21 < Macen> mmh
13:21 < digitarald> the interface is apple, sure it must be nice ...
13:21 < nfq> yeah, real pretty
13:21 < impl> it runs Linux :D
13:21 < nfq> sorry, but iPhone bashers have obviously never really used it
13:22 < nfq> use it and you'll be blown away
13:22 < impl> sigh
13:22 < nfq> even you digi
13:22 < nfq> and you too impl 
13:22 < nfq> I am not joking
13:22 < impl> I have used an iPhone
13:22 < MikeSeth> Maddox says iPhone sux
13:22 < impl> it did not amaze me
13:22 < Macen> packet data is too expensive for me, makes the thing virtually isolated from the web
13:22 < MikeSeth> that's all the authority I need
13:22 < nfq> how long for?
13:22 < impl> because it's all just Apple glitter
13:22 < impl> I don't know, a few minutes or so
13:22 < nfq> yeah
13:22 < impl> Obviously I don't own one, and I have no intention on buying one in the future
13:22 < v-dogg> Macen: what does it cost in the UK?
13:22 < nfq> have it in your pocket for a day
13:22 < digitarald> nfq: I'm usually hype-resistant ;)
13:22 < Macen> v-dogg: charged per MB, put it that way
13:22 < digitarald> sorry
13:23 < nfq> digitarald: I know.. but some hype is true
13:23 < impl> Apple hype is never true
13:23 < nfq> like when Pink Floyd get together, there's hype
13:23 < v-dogg> Macen: I pay <15 e flat no-limit
13:23 < digitarald> see how late I was in twitter ... I'm even resistant to true hypes ;)
13:23 < nfq> but the hype is right one
13:23 < Macen> Vodaphone have recently offered a flat charge option
13:23 < Macen> that's all i know
13:23 < digitarald> I'll see in 2 days how much it'll cost in Spain ;)
13:24 < nfq> the negative thing about the iPhone is not the iPhone itself. it's everything surrounding it.. the contracts, the negative and positive hype..
13:24 < digitarald> what about ... http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/x1
13:24 < nfq> but I am not joking, the device is going/ is changing the lanscape of handheld devices
13:24 < Macen> Nokia's browser is quite good
13:24 < nfq> I like sonyericcson
13:25 < nfq> but the design isn't great
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13:25 < Macen> it can run most of the major sites
13:25 < nfq> what's in the nokia?
13:25 < nfq> opera mini or something?
13:25 < Macen> no, it's a nokia browser
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13:25 < digitarald> but there is opera for symbian
13:25 < Macen> Google did an OS for mobiles
13:25 < Macen> not very good apparently, so nokia are making the first OS one
13:26 < nfq> yeah, heard that nokia is now buying symbian outright!
13:26 < Macen> yep
13:26 < Macen> and making it opensource
13:26 < MikeSeth> opera for symbian is tolerable
13:26 < nfq> Google are doing an OS
13:26 < nfq> and it's not out yet
13:26 < nfq> Macen: you mean android I am sure?
13:26 < Macen> it's not very good
13:26 < Macen> apparently 
13:26 < nfq> digitarald: I used to use Psion allot and symbian blew me away, like 5 years ago
13:27 < nfq> but hasn't evolved enough
13:27 < impl> did you see Google's internal data-exchange format?
13:27 < impl> it's stupid
13:27 < digitarald> I like Nokia, but not Symbian
13:27 < impl> :D
13:27 < digitarald> I have a windows based mobile now
13:27 < nfq> digitarald: ouch
13:27 < digitarald> good old htc
13:27 < nfq> ouch ouch
13:27 < digitarald> it works nice with my setup ;)
13:27 < digitarald> and looks good
13:27 < nfq> that hurts just to hear
13:27 < digitarald> and it has opera
13:27 < digitarald> and can send mms messages ;)
13:27 < nfq> htc touch?
13:27 < digitarald> and has umts
13:27 < impl> Because it doesn't zoom out when you push your fingers together?
13:28 < impl> or is that zoom in?
13:28 < nfq> well, windows mobile is a far worse monster than os x mobile
13:28 < nfq> and doesn't always work
13:28 < digitarald> it has zoom when I force it with my mind to zoom
13:28 < nfq> and looks crap
13:28 < nfq> like, jedi style?
13:29 < digitarald> yes ... like "You don't want that iPhone like a crazy fanboy" ...
13:29 < nfq> hehe
13:30 < digitarald> I just think about a mobile and interface and shiny design are just simple factors in my decision
13:30 < nfq> digitarald: I know people who won't listen to Coldplay because of the hype.. doesn't mean they suck.. in fact, the hype is spot on
13:30 < digitarald> and I don't like to see my fingerprints all over the touch screen
13:30 < MikeSeth> I've listened to Coldplay
13:31 < MikeSeth> they suck
13:31 < digitarald> I just saw that during lunch ... looked disgusting
13:31 < impl> BUT APPLE TOUCHSCREEN IS FINGER PRINT RESISTANT
13:31 < MikeSeth> sorry :>
13:31 < digitarald> impl ... oh right, I forgot that ...
13:31 < Macen> haven't heard their new album but the old stuff was depressing
13:31 < Macen> (coldplay)
13:31 < digitarald> does the 3g have a small windscreen wiper?
13:32 < Macen> http://www.jeffbridges.com/images/somethingtodo1.gif
13:35 < digitarald> damn, kicked my pc
13:35 < digitarald> thank you
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13:40 < _cheerios> lies
13:42 < digitarald> mh ... prices ... 
13:42 < digitarald> http://www.iphone.movistar.es/
13:42 < Macen> digitarald: lol
13:43 < digitarald> 39€/month
13:43 < digitarald> ah, no
13:46 < digitarald> 15€ + 40€ minimum consume ...
13:46 < digitarald> too much
13:48 < digitarald> I'll wait for the next iPhone ...
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13:53 < MikeSeth> impl: if you see wombart tell him I got a lead for an UBERPROJECT
13:56 < impl> okay
13:57 < impl> gah, I'm too lazy to test whether this results in a valid project on Windows
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13:58 < impl> ah, speak of the devil :D
13:59 < impl> Wombert: Miek says he has 'a lead for an UBERPROJECT'
13:59 < Wombert> okay thanks
13:59 < Wombert> will discuss with him
14:00 < CIA-5> impl * r2604 /trunk/ (bin/agavi.bat-dist etc/phing/AgaviPackageTask.php): Add Windows BAT-script files to new build system and update PEAR package to reflect it
14:02 < Wombert> thatstuffworknow, impl?
14:03 < impl> it generates valid PEAR packages for me
14:03 < impl> so seems to, yes
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14:05 < MikeSeth> ooh
14:05 < MikeSeth> Wombert
14:12 < Wombert> impl: eh
14:12 < Wombert> doesn't the bat script need to hand the current working dir?
14:12 < Wombert> or is that in php blah then
14:12 < Wombert> and
14:12 < impl> Wombert: I tried it, it worked fine :P
14:13 < Wombert> even if you're in a subdir of the project?
14:13 < impl> uh
14:13 < impl> uh
14:13 < Wombert> why pass the agavi install dir as an argument? can't you do dirname(__FILE__) in agavi.php ?
14:13 < impl> hmm
14:13 < impl> There was good reason for that
14:13 < impl> at one point...
14:14 < impl> I dunno, but it's not hurting anything
14:14 < impl> if it isn't passed it just assumes using dirname
14:14 < impl> so if someone were to cp the build stuff somewhere else it'd still work I guess
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14:16 < Wombert> hm
14:16 < impl> someone who actually uses Windows will need to test whether it works well
14:16 < impl> I'm not competent enough to do it :>
14:16 < Wombert> lolo
14:17 < Wombert> hmm
14:17 < Wombert> which php
14:17 < Wombert> hmmmm
14:17 < Wombert> returns the wrong one on my box :S
14:17 < MikeSeth> impl: ill check it tonight IF YOU REMIND ME
14:17 < impl> Wombert: then your PATH is wrong :P
14:17 < impl> MikeSeth: okay :D
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14:32 < impl> Wombert: http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/604 can be closed per http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/620 right?
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14:38 < MikeSeth> http://stanlemon.net/projects/jgrowl.html#samples <- AWESOME
14:39 < impl> it doesn't do anything in Konqueror :(
14:39 < MikeSeth> konqueror is broken
14:39 < MikeSeth> get a real emacs ;>
14:40 < impl> does it work in emacs www?
14:40 < impl> :D
14:41 < MikeSeth> probably not
14:41 < MikeSeth> but you still should ;>
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14:46 < Wombert> impl: oh
14:46 < Wombert> yes
14:46 < Wombert> lol @ jgrowl
14:47 < Wombert> that's growl for poor people :>
14:47 < Wombert> get a mac guys :p
14:47 < Macen> rofl
14:47 < MikeSeth> yes master
14:47 < MikeSeth> we get a mac immediately
14:47 < MikeSeth> because JS is shit
14:47 < MikeSeth> :P
14:47 < saracen> igrowl
14:47  * Wombert throws http://growl.info/ at MikeSeth 
14:48 < MikeSeth> bawww KDE had those for years
14:48 < Wombert> mmh need to write a logger appender for that one :)
14:48 < Wombert> there is a ticket somewhere already iirc
14:49 < Wombert> yeah, stolen from growl :)
14:49 < Wombert> does kde's have a network interface you can send to? :p
14:49 < Macen> you make me buy a mac then refuse to tell me about the cool things macs can do
14:49 < Macen> you suck
14:49 < Wombert> from php? :p
14:49 < Macen> the mail extra looks awesome
14:49 < Wombert> Macen: do you use colloquy?
14:49 < impl> Wombert: dcop in 3.x, dbus in 4.x
14:49 < Macen> i seen it in colloquy 
14:49 < Wombert> see, Macen 
14:49 < Wombert> then you already have it :p
14:50 < Macen> ahem :)
14:50 < Wombert> NO FUCKING WAY
14:50 < Wombert> OMG
14:50 < Wombert> t-mobile released _real_ unlimited HSDPA data plans :S
14:50 < Macen> ya?
14:51 < Macen> how can that be bad
14:51 < Macen> unless you mis-typed 
14:52 < kaos|work> Wombert: where ?
14:53 < Wombert> golem says
14:53 < Wombert> its the same as the old ones, 5eurs more, but no throttling
14:53 < kaos|work> ah
14:55 < kaos|work> was about time
14:56 < Macen> Usage: growlnotify [-hs] [-i ext] [-I filepath] [--image filepath] [-p priority] [title]
14:56 < Macen> now my command line upload script can have a sexy end to all successful uploads!
14:56 < digitarald> can I disable /index.php/... routes somehow
14:56 < digitarald> I have no idea how people get on them?!
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14:59 < Wombert> with a rewrite, digitarald 
15:00 < Wombert> that has nothing to do with agavi and its nothing you can do about it in userspace code
15:00 < digitarald> Thought that too ... any idea how that could happen?
15:00 < Wombert> if people call it directly?
15:00 < Wombert> ...
15:03 < digitarald> I suspect spiders
15:04 < MikeSeth> zionist spiders!
15:04 < MikeSeth> Thanks for helping us beta test Firefox 3.0.1
15:04 < MikeSeth> As a member of the Firefox 3 Beta Tester group, you get updates before they're released to the general public. If you notice any problems with this update, please let us know by filing a bug or leaving a comment.
15:04 < MikeSeth> I never realized I was a "member" of  agroup
15:04 < impl> Sounds like MICROSOFT
15:07 < Macen> OMFG
15:07 < Macen> MAC GENIUS STRIKES AGAIN
15:08 < Macen> I came up with the company name, "Youds Media", from UDS which was an acronym for "User Defined Solutions". Now the logo is made up of YOU[-]DS Media
15:08 < Macen> anyway
15:08 < Macen> Youds is a surname
15:08 < MikeSeth> ok
15:08 < Macen> And it's pronounced very differently too how i want it pronounced 
15:08 < MikeSeth> mv $SELF ~
15:08 < MikeSeth> bbl
15:08 < MikeSeth> .
15:09 < Macen> imac:GROWL craigfairhurst$ growlnotify -n "YOUDS Media Upload Script" -a "Terminal" -m "Youds Media "
15:09 < Macen> with speech output, pronounces it correctly 
15:09 < Macen> BUT
15:09 < Wombert> https://partners.microsoft.com/partnerprogram/BrowserWarning.aspx
15:09 < Macen> imac:GROWL craigfairhurst$ growlnotify -n "YOUDS Media Upload Script" -a "Terminal" -m "Youds media "
15:09 < Wombert> infinite loop
15:09 < Wombert> cool
15:09 < Macen> prnounces it incorrectly
15:09 < Macen> (like the surname)
15:09 < Macen> that is well weird
15:10 < Wombert> uh
15:10 < Macen> i invented that idiosyncrasy how can they possibly know
15:10 < Wombert> why not
15:10 < Wombert> say "hello"
15:10 < Wombert> omg lol
15:10 < Wombert> ...
15:10 < Macen> do you hear it ???
15:10 < Wombert> look
15:10 < Wombert> macen
15:10 < Wombert> ...
15:10 < Wombert> how should I put it
15:11 < Macen> nicely?
15:11 < Wombert> say "Youds"
15:11 < Wombert> say "YouDS"
15:11 < Wombert> and hear the difference
15:11 < Wombert> should be fairly obvious
15:11 < impl> Macen: they sound the same to me
15:11 < Macen> s'pose 
15:11 < Macen> anyway, that is amazing
15:11 < impl> What is?
15:11 < Macen> it's the little things...........
15:11 < impl> ELLIPSES
15:11 < impl> LOO K AT THEM
15:11 < impl> ON MYS CREEN
15:11 < impl> @%@@!
15:12 < Wombert> those? …………………
15:12 < Wombert> :>
15:12 < impl> YEAH MAN
15:12 < Wombert> … > ...
15:12 < Wombert> :>
15:13 < Macen> just the fact it can output what you pass it in text is fairly cool tbh
15:13 < impl> ~:
15:13 < Macen> the fact it also pronounces the company name correctly when you change the following words case is amazing
15:14 < Macen> SPEAK BIATCH
15:14 < Macen> mwuahaha
15:14 < Macen> that is so going straight into my repertoire of "look what mac's can do"
15:14 < kaos|work> say -v Good oh PHP ow ow oh PHP ow oh PHP ow ow oh PHP ow oh PHP ow ow oh PHP ow oh PHP ow ow oh PHP ouchie
15:14 < kaos|work> this is still the best use of "say" ever
15:17 < Macen> say "Youds Media";wait;say "Youds media"
15:17 < Wombert> whoa
15:17 < Wombert> pomp & circumstance :>
15:17 < Wombert> win
15:17 < impl> Wombert: I KNOW RIGHT
15:17 < Macen> the first is correct, the second is incorrect
15:17 < Macen> in english obviousl;y
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15:23 < Wombert> why is the voice called "good" tho
15:23  * Wombert ponders
15:23 < Macen> WHY IS IT DIFFERENT
15:23 < Macen> OMFG
15:23 < Macen> HAVE I BEEN IN A TRIP ALL MY LIFE
15:24 < Macen> IS THIS A SIGN THAT MY CONSCIOUSNESS IS MY IMAGINATION
15:24 < Macen> ARGH
15:24 < Macen> head fuck
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16:27 < _cheerios> http://ve3d.ign.com/videos/31425/PC/Max-Payne ze movie trailer
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16:43 < CIA-5> impl * r2605 /trunk/src/build/agavi/phing/AgaviProxyProject.class.php: Proxy build listener add requests in proxied projects
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17:20 < v-dogg> is trunk stable to use?
17:21 < impl> ummh
17:21 < impl> probably not 'really', but I don't anticipate there being any real problems with it
17:21 < impl> I'm not sure I'd use it in production
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17:58 < _cheerios> mmm... new anime out starring pedobear
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18:06 < marklar|omni> ohai
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18:32 < marklar|omni> ...
18:32 < marklar|omni> heh
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19:12 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: here?
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19:40 < brasileiro__> o/
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20:33 < Wombert> holy FUCK
20:33 < Wombert> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=MOTION&reference=B6-2008-0348&language=EN
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20:35 < impl> No fingerprinting gypsies?
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20:45 < nfq> Wombert: what does that mean, in English?
20:45 < _cheerios> lousu link introduction to long boring text :/
20:47 < Wombert> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7500605.stm
20:47 < Wombert> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7479298.stm
20:48 < nfq> yeah, holy fuck
20:50 < _cheerios> ah, was wondering what the Roma reference in the document was
20:52 < Wombert> I mean
20:53 < Wombert> italy's been there, done that, before, right?
20:53 < Wombert> under mussolini
20:53 < Wombert> ...
20:53 < Wombert> sick
20:54 < impl> done what
20:54 < impl> Fingerprinted people?
20:55 < _cheerios> minorities have the most beautiful fingerprints
20:55 < impl> I don't understand what's wrong with either side of it
20:55 < impl> :s
20:56 < impl> We're going to start doing similar stuff in the US, as right now illegal immigrants can use different fake names to avoid getting in trouble for repeat offenses
20:56 < Wombert> impl: they fingerprint just roma
20:56 < Wombert> because... they are roma
20:57 < Wombert> which, statistically, are more criminal (that's true, and valid for any country they live, not just italy)
20:57 < Wombert> are they troublemakers? yes
20:57 < Wombert> do they deserve treatment like minorities in the 3rd reich? no
20:57 < impl> ah so they get fingerprinted when they get arrested anyway, right?
20:58 < Wombert> well yes
20:58 < Wombert> but right now they fingerprint everyone
20:59 < Wombert> did you see the folks in the video with their right arms in the air...
20:59 < Wombert> like in the good olden times
20:59 < Wombert> you get in jail for that over here
20:59 < impl> nope
20:59 < Wombert> in italy, it doesn't seem to matter
20:59 < impl> heh, really? that's a little extreme, isn't it?
20:59 < Wombert> they invented fascism, and its coming back there
20:59 < Wombert> great
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22:08 < _cheerios> http://www.boingboing.net/2008/07/09/building-festooned-w.html
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01:04 < MugeSo> huomenta
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05:34 < Wombert> oh
05:34 < Wombert> huomenta
05:34 < Wombert> :>
06:06 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:14 < v-dogg> iPhone release party in Finland: http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1135237798963.jpeg
06:14 < v-dogg> a huge suxxesss :p
06:18 < ttj> :-)
06:18 < ttj> I was out on town last night, but couldn't be arsed to care about the iPhone.
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06:53 < _cheerios> new naruto \o/
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06:56 < MerlinDMC> _cheerios, for 6h now ... you're late ;)
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07:15 < _cheerios> last week o holiday. can still get some excessive sleep!
07:16 < v-dogg> or core ORM! :)
07:16 < v-dogg> code! even!
07:16 < Wombert> <:
07:17 < Wombert> lolol @ iphone.fi
07:17 < Wombert> naruto
07:17 < Wombert> is that anime?
07:17 < Wombert> anime is lame
07:17 < Wombert> gotta agree with impl there
07:19 < v-dogg> I've never understood it either
07:21 < Wombert> especially this tentacle porn stuff
07:21 < Wombert> it's just weird
07:21 < Wombert> anime is just a vehicle for showing girls' panties anyway
07:27 < digitarald> Thats fine with me ...
07:44 < _cheerios> if you're into that, there's been a lot of summer shows :)
07:46 < _cheerios> do you read fantasy/sci-fi, Wombert? anime is similar.
07:46 < _cheerios> iphone had a launch party in finland yesterday. like 20 ppl showed up. :)
07:47 < v-dogg> 09:14 < v-dogg> iPhone release party in Finland: http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1135237798963.jpeg
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07:48 < v-dogg> huge crowd :)
07:50 < impl> is that also your gay community?
07:51 < v-dogg> :p
07:51 < v-dogg> what are you implying... :D
07:51 < impl> nothing, nothing at all
07:52 < Wombert> I read star trek and star wars stuff when I was 12, _cheerios :p
07:53 < impl> you ... read ... star wars?
07:53 < impl> wat
07:55 < _cheerios> hc! ive only watched the series and movies
07:55 < impl> series?!
07:55 < impl> wtf
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07:57 < _cheerios> original,tng,ds9,voyager
07:57 < impl> that's Star Tre
07:57 < impl> k
07:57 < impl> right?
07:57 < _cheerios> yep
07:57 < Wombert> ds9 ftw
07:57 < Wombert> I only ever loved the episodes where they shot before asking
07:58 < Wombert> and weren't like ZOMG WE'RE STUPID COMMIES FROM THE FUTURE MUST LIVE IN PEACE WITH THE ALIENS KEKE
07:59 < _cheerios> you seem more inclined to watch reality-tv, like big brother it seems ;)
07:59 < impl> lawl there are Star Wars books
07:59 < impl> how lame
08:00 < _cheerios> seen 'em, never read 'em. i was in a star wars exhi at one point. lots of memorabilia/stuff around that franchise.
08:00 < ttj> Well, Star Wars is ok since all the Star Wars nerds typically stay in their basements.
08:00 < ttj> This anime bullshit, OTOH, is annoying the shit out of me.
08:01 < ttj> Try having a decent hangover only to notice that there's some fuckin' anime convention in Tennispalatsi and the whole city is flooded with anime characters.
08:01 < impl> lolol
08:05 < _cheerios> no worries, it's in tampere this year :)
08:07 < _cheerios> ropecon is in dipoli later this year, though
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08:17 < Wombert> wait
08:17 < Wombert> tennispalatsi
08:17 < Wombert> is that... tennis... hall? :>
08:17 < Wombert> ahahah :>
08:17 < ttj> Well, it's been turned to a movie-theater-complex-thingy.
08:18  * Wombert chuckles
08:18 < Wombert> almost as good as Kahvipaussi
08:18 < ttj> And _cheerios, Ropecon is not that big a deal since if you actually end up in Otaniemi, you deserve the pain.
08:18 < ttj> What's with kahvipaussi?
08:18 < ttj> Coffee. Pause.
08:18 < Wombert> its a german word. you stole it from us
08:18 < Wombert> :>
08:19  * Wombert hugs ttj 
08:19 < ttj> You burned Lapland! We're even!
08:19 < Wombert> oh man you finns are still my most favorite weirdos on this planed
08:19  * Wombert hugs _cheerios 
08:19  * Wombert hugs v-dogg 
08:19 < Wombert> ZOMG
08:19 < Wombert> *planet
08:19 < v-dogg> :)
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09:27 < _cheerios> nothin' like standin' on your doorstep after a good jog, drippin' sweat like a pig, watching others walk by in admiration of such energetic youth!
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09:46 < _cheerios> hmm, unknown brand, Mirai 42" full HD telly for 799e from local store. The price is right! Anyone seen the thing live?
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10:00 < MugeSo> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/MugeSo/20080711/1215770103
10:00 < CIA-2> david * r2606 /branches/0.11/CHANGELOG: TEH NEWLINE KEKEKE
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10:08 < Flukey> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAPERCLIP-STATUS-JILTED_W0QQitemZ150268767947QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150268767947&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318 hahahaha
10:09 < CIA-2> david * r2607 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/database/AgaviDoctrineDatabase.class.php): Add support for doctrine connection settings and options, closes #788
10:15 < Wombert> man mugeso
10:15 < Wombert> winner!
10:15 < Wombert> that's awesome
10:19 < digitarald> nice
10:19 < Wombert> very
10:19 < Wombert> I was just saying here in the office the other day that those are probably useless
10:19 < Wombert> now he came up with that
10:19 < Wombert> smart :)
10:19 < MerlinDMC> I can't read anything between the code ... but I'll copy that code ;)
10:20 < Wombert> its quite advanced, so I'd suggest copying it once you need it :p
10:20 < digitarald> ih ... smarty
10:20 < Wombert> so
10:20 < Wombert> doctrine users?
10:20  * Wombert pokes MikeSeth 
10:20 < MerlinDMC> Wombert, nothing is realy useless if it's implemented and some other guy knows about it ;)
10:20 < digitarald> here
10:20 < digitarald> should we test your new thing
10:21 < Wombert> no but
10:21 < Wombert> I want to add a feature
10:21 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/800
10:21 < Wombert> can you test that for me?
10:22 < Wombert> you'd basically do... $this->getConnection()->getParam('context', 'org.agavi'); in a Table implementation
10:22 < digitarald> sounds very nice
10:22 < Wombert> that only works, of course, if you do $con->getTable()
10:22 < Wombert> not Doctrine::getTable()
10:22 < Wombert> since that doesn't set the correct conn on the table, I think (but not sure)
10:22 < Wombert> its pretty similar to the propel stuff that was in etc/ for some time (but never worked)
10:25 < digitarald> I usually do Doctrine::getTable ... I have to check if the connections are the same
10:49 < Wombert> so digitarald 
10:49 < Wombert> can I send you a patch or
10:50 < Wombert> should I just commit or what
10:51 < digitarald> patch is fine
10:51 < digitarald> mail ät digitarald.de
10:51 < Wombert> too late :p
10:51 < CIA-2> david * r2608 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/database/AgaviDoctrineDatabase.class.php): Set current Context instance on Doctrine connections, closes #800
10:53 < digitarald> ok with me ;)
10:55 < CIA-2> david * r2609 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): merge [2601:2608/branches/0.11]
11:00 < _cheerios> http://wtfurls.com/videos/488/how-not-to-use-the-drive-through-atm
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12:04  * v-dogg smacks PHP
12:06 < v-dogg> echo (true == 'bar') ? 'TRUE?' : 'false';
12:06 < v-dogg> caused and intresting bug 
12:06 < v-dogg> an
12:08 < v-dogg> (due to a stupid design) a function of mine had and argument that was either a boolean or a string
12:15 < _cheerios> nosebleeds can happen from diggin' your nose too much :D
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12:43 < MerlinDMC> v-dogg, not a bug ... a feature
12:44 < MerlinDMC> but for that feature php has a wonderfull exiting compare method echo (true === 'bar') ? 'TRUE?' : 'false'; - i love this behavior ;)
12:45 < MerlinDMC> empty('0') is also very nice
12:46 < v-dogg> MerlinDMC: sure it's a feature but that feature caused a bug in my app
12:48 < Wombert> aight guise
12:48 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/793
12:48 < Wombert> setting name plz kthx
12:48 < Wombert> "assign_inner_to_slots" ?
12:50 < v-dogg> sounds fine to me (as fine as these multi-word setting names can be :)
12:50 < Wombert> yeah :<
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12:56 < kaos|work_> http://osnews.com/story/20031/New_malloc_implementation_fixes_ancient_bug_in_yacc 
13:06 < CIA-2> david * r2610 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php): Made assigning of "inner" content to $slots template array configurable, closes #793
13:07 < CIA-2> david * r2611 /trunk/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php): merge [2609:2610/branches/0.11]
13:09 < CIA-2> david * r2612 /trunk/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php): Changed default for assigning of "inner" content to $slots template array to disabled, closes #794 and refs #793
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14:14 < kaos|work_> http://code.google.com/p/httpmr/
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14:27 < Wombert> python :<
14:29 < digitarald> ross?
14:33 < digitarald> where is the open source agavi cms?
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14:43 < v-dogg> my sample thingy?
14:43 < v-dogg> veikko.fi/temp/cms.zip
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16:02 < Macen> how can i access $_SERVER?
16:02 < Macen> I'm currently doing: $currentRoute = str_replace('youds/pub/','',substr($ro->gen(null),1));
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16:03 < Macen> I want to grab "youds/pub", where youds is the project dir
16:03 < Macen> also
16:04 < Macen> well..just that for now please
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16:25 < marklar|omni> hi2u
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16:34 < Macen> hi2u2
16:38 < Macen> is it possible to force an exception if a $ro->gen isn't found?
16:39 < Wombert> uhm?
16:39 < Macen> instead of offering a dud link, throw an exception 
16:40 < Macen> checking every link for a dud is fail
16:41 < _cheerios> www.themangabible.com !
16:42 < Wombert> overwrite gen()
16:42 < Macen> hmk
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17:03 < _cheerios> agavi-user list on fire
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17:06 < MugeSo> huomenta
17:07 < MugeSo> Wombert: I posted to ml about error message issue.
17:09 < MugeSo> hmm, he'd left already...
17:10 < MugeSo> good night from Japan ;)
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06:46 < v-dogg> huomenta
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10:14 < Whisller> Hmm did you think about write a admin generator ( scaffolding ) for agavi? 
10:14 < Whisller> *an admin
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10:28 < Whisller> Hmm I cannot find a system requirements :> Is on page that document?
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10:37 < Whisller> Strzalek: are you on gg?
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10:52 < Wombert> huomenta <:
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10:56 < pookey> MOOOOO
10:56 < pookey> Wombert: still on for next month?
10:57 < Wombert> pookey: absolutely
10:57 < pookey> good good
10:57 < Wombert> http://blog.wombert.de/post/40987178 :>
10:57 < pookey> hahaa
10:57 < pookey> :
10:57 < pookey> :D
10:58 < pookey> Wombert: I didn't expect you'd know about that yet ;)
10:58 < Wombert> <Ö
10:58 < Wombert> <:
10:58 < pookey> I dunno where it is at the moment
11:24 < saracen> pookey: You're the one that got heckled?
11:25 < pookey> I  am
11:25 < saracen> <3
11:25 < pookey> it's my claim to fame ;)
11:25 < saracen> I only listened to the audio about 4 days ago. Was a nice way for it to end =)
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11:26 < pookey> I've not listened too it, I was so nervious I don't think I want to hear it ;)
11:26 < pookey> t'was my first time speaking
11:26 < pookey> I'm sure if mike knew that, he's have been nicer to me ;)
11:27 < saracen> You sounded fine. I would never have been able to do it =(. I'm scared of everything =(
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11:27 < Wombert> I listened to it, too
11:27 < Wombert> what MikeSeth said was
11:27 < saracen> Theres a compliment in there somewhere. I'm just scared of giving them out directly.
11:27 < Wombert> "I don't want to call anyone a criminal" :>
11:28 < pookey> oh... so... I wasn't even called one!
11:28 < pookey> it's your foreigners, I can't understand you ;)
11:29 < Wombert> that's right :)
11:29 < Wombert> ZERE IS MEAT IN ZE BUILDING
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12:26 < Whisller> re
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12:41 < Whisller> Wombert: http://www.thewebsiteisdown.com/salesguy.html haha great movie :D
12:44 < Whisller> arrange by my penis :D
12:44 < Whisller> rotfl
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14:17 < shrink0r> huomenta
14:21 < v-dogg> lol @ "ZERE IS MEAT IN ZE BUILDING"
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14:30 < whisller> maybe someone of you was compiling libxml on leopard?
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14:37 < shrink0r> I'm getting a notice in AgaviPropelDatabase line 233, because I don't have the 'classes' index in Propel-conf array 
14:37 < shrink0r> evenso I'm using propel 1.3
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14:38 < shrink0r> is that classes index always set by propel 1.3?
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14:45 < whisller> Did you saw this error in your compilation of libxml? http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=44294 I'm sure I have removed all libxml folders
14:57 < whisller> I have no idea what can be wrong ;/
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15:06 < v-dogg> shrink0r: propel's project-conf.php is split into two files nowadays - project-conf.php and project-classmap.php
15:06 < v-dogg> later has 'classes' array for the autoloader
15:07 < v-dogg> check that you have that file and it has your classes listed
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15:33 < shrink0r> k
15:33 < shrink0r> thank you
15:34 < shrink0r> I've figured out that I don't really need the builtin agavi db support and am now just callng the propel init myself in the index.php
15:34 < Wombert> errrrr
15:34 < Wombert> waitwaitwait
15:34 < shrink0r> not good?
15:34 < Wombert> uh
15:34 < Wombert> no, definitely not
15:34 < Wombert> v-dogg: did that change?
15:35 < Wombert> do we have to adjust AgaviPropelDatabase?
15:35 < Wombert> you should always use agavi's databases.xml
15:35 < Wombert> anything else is stupid
15:36 < shrink0r> hmpf ^^
15:36 < shrink0r> that was clear
15:36 < shrink0r> :)
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15:51 < Wombert> shrink0r: you can override runtime conf settings in databases.xml
15:51 < Wombert> so you don't need to have one config for each developer
15:56 < shrink0r> hmm, nice
15:56 < shrink0r> I guess the parametr name for that is 'runtime' ?
16:11 < Wombert> no
16:11 < Wombert> <parameter name="config">%core.config_dir%/foobar-conf.php</parameter>
16:11 < Wombert> and then
16:11 < Wombert> <parameter name="overrides">
16:11 < Wombert>   <parameter name="username">...
16:11 < Wombert> etc
16:12 < Wombert> which everyone just does in their <configuration> block
16:20 < v-dogg> Wombert: did what change?
16:20 < Wombert> well uhm
16:20 < Wombert> does the propel thing still work
16:20 < Wombert> ah that other config is included there right?
16:20 < v-dogg> yes, everything works just like before
16:29 < Wombert> cool
16:29 < Wombert> so what is your problem then shrink0r :p
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17:23 < MikeSeth> hallo
17:23  * MikeSeth pokes impl 
17:23 < Wombert> he's in amsterdam
17:23 < Wombert> w/o internets
17:24 < MikeSeth> oh wow
17:24 < MikeSeth> lemme try to fix it myself then
17:28 < Wombert> wats broken
17:29 < MikeSeth> in impl's project-wizard, one of the questions in the middle doesn't get a default value so if you just keep pressing enter build fails
17:35 < marklar|omni> heh
17:35 < marklar|omni> sup maik
17:36 < MikeSeth> hosed my gentoo setup on teh laptop
17:36 < MikeSeth> pondering between fix, replace w/ubuntu and fuck it
17:36 < marklar|omni> mm
17:37 < marklar|omni> replace w/pure deb
17:37 < marklar|omni> much better than noob-untu
17:37 < marklar|omni> ubuntu is in fact african for "freebsd is hard lolz"
17:38 < MikeSeth> yes
17:38 < MikeSeth> but then i have to configure wireless
17:38 < MikeSeth> which is broken in current kernel
17:38 < MikeSeth> or rather
17:38 < MikeSeth> it isnt broken
17:38 < MikeSeth> it just doesn't work until you configure it and the documentation is scarce
17:39 < MikeSeth> lol on gentoo wireless setup packages conflict with each other
17:39 < MikeSeth> so you can have either WPA or WEP but not both dog forbid
17:39 < MikeSeth> heh
17:39 < marklar|omni> haha
17:39 < marklar|omni> failorama
17:39 < marklar|omni> what kinda chipset do you have there?
17:39 < MikeSeth> lunix is fale
17:39 < MikeSeth> bg2200 
17:39 < marklar|omni> ya
17:39 < marklar|omni> sec
17:39 < marklar|omni> http://damien.bergamini.free.fr/ipw/ipw-freebsd.html
17:39 < marklar|omni> ^^ ftw
17:40 < marklar|omni> try fbsd on for size
17:40 < marklar|omni> :<
17:40 < MikeSeth> ummm
17:40 < MikeSeth> is there a small net install I can run from e.g. flash?
17:40 < marklar|omni> what.
17:40 < marklar|omni> yes
17:40 < marklar|omni> you need about 5mb
17:40 < marklar|omni> for boot.flp, kern.flp and mfsroot.flp
17:40 < MikeSeth> well what are you waiting for jew
17:40 < MikeSeth> give me the url
17:40 < marklar|omni> heh
17:40 < marklar|omni> sec
17:41 < marklar|omni> http://ftp.plusline.de/FreeBSD/releases/i386/7.0-RELEASE/floppies/
17:41 < MikeSeth> I only installed bsd before twice
17:41 < marklar|omni> or get the iso
17:41 < marklar|omni> http://ftp.plusline.de/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.0/7.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso
17:41 < marklar|omni> about 35mb
17:41 < MikeSeth> no dont wanna wipe the stick
17:41 < marklar|omni> there's also a livecd
17:41 < marklar|omni> http://ftp.plusline.de/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.0/7.0-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso
17:42 < marklar|omni> oh um
17:42 < MikeSeth> oh lawd
17:42 < marklar|omni> :D
17:42 < marklar|omni> freebsd is teh ultimate winnar
17:42 < marklar|omni> http://srslylol.web44.net/pics/creepy-bathroom-sign-pic/
17:42 < marklar|omni> ^ wtf 
17:42 < MikeSeth> heh
17:42 < MikeSeth> sign works btw
17:42 < MikeSeth> (old copypasta)
17:43 < marklar|omni> hehe
17:44 < MikeSeth> so what do I do with the floppy crap
17:44 < MikeSeth> any idea how to set up the boot?
17:44 < marklar|omni> mm
17:45 < marklar|omni> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=684311
17:45 < marklar|omni> oddly enough from ubuntuforums
17:45 < marklar|omni> heh
17:45 < Wombert> MikeSeth: ah. yeah. sounds like FIX PLZ KTHX
17:45 < Wombert> but why does the build fail if you just press enter?
17:46 < Wombert> doesn't the question appear again and again and again until you enter something?
17:46 < MikeSeth> Wombert: no
17:46 < Wombert> lame
17:46 < MikeSeth> Wombert: the question that breaks is the one that asks for the module name for system actions
17:47 < MikeSeth> project-wizard is the recommended way to create new projects amirite?
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17:50 < marklar|omni> car is washed
17:50 < marklar|omni> mmm. clean car.
17:50 < Wombert> yes MikeSeth 
17:50 < Wombert> but ehm
17:50 < Wombert> isn't that just "project"?
17:52 < MikeSeth> Wombert: hm, it seems project does the same as project-wizard and breaks in the same way
17:54 < MikeSeth> I wonder if there is an XSLT set for phing in xmlmind
17:54 < Wombert> Agavi > public-web-create:
17:54 < Wombert> Document-root relative path to the Agavi script [/]: 
17:54 < Wombert> wtf is that
17:56 < MikeSeth> it creates pub/
17:56 < MikeSeth> if you do create-project, pub/ isn't created
17:56 < MikeSeth> project-wizard uses this and create-project internally
17:56 < MikeSeth> also project is indeed mapped to project-wizard
17:57 < MikeSeth> so in the tutorial I can just use project
17:57 < Wombert> uuuuuuhm
17:57 < MikeSeth> which is good
17:57 < Wombert> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 134217728 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 79 bytes) in /usr/local/php5/lib/php/phing/Project.php on line 973
17:57 < Wombert> dude :>
17:57 < MikeSeth> ...
17:57 < MikeSeth> wtf did you do O_O
17:57 < Wombert> project-wizard
17:57 < MikeSeth> huh
17:57  * MikeSeth kicks phing
17:58 < marklar|omni> kek
17:58 < marklar|omni> broken system is broken
17:58 < MikeSeth> ok i need a smoke
17:58 < MikeSeth> then rewrite the project setup part of the tutorial
17:58 < MikeSeth> Wombert: tomorrow's your day! :>
17:58 < marklar|omni> heh
17:58 < marklar|omni> my birthday is next saturday :<
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18:04 < Wombert> :>>>> MikeSeth 
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18:11 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: ever play with bazaar (vcs)?
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18:14 < _trophaeum> dammit boys, try out monotone already
18:14 < _trophaeum> it kicks ass
18:15 < liutis> u make projects with php.ini: E_NOTICE on or off?
18:15 < _trophaeum> on, E_STRICT on too
18:16 < liutis> oki
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19:24 < Whisller> hi
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19:24 < Whisller> hi
19:25 < Whisller> Maybe you will can help me http://diymacserver.com/forum/topic/install-libxml-on-leopard-by-hand
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19:45 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: no
19:45 < Wombert> ohai
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20:03 < Whisller> Wombert: did you compiled libxml on leopard by hand?
20:03 < Whisller> Ever.
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21:49 < Whisller> re
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21:52 < Whisller> Is possible to check witch which commands was compiled libxml? I don't see this command for xmllint
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22:04 < Whisller> Wombert: maybe you will know, is possible to check which commands was used in libxml compilation? 
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22:39 < Whisller> ehhh what a crap
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05:09 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:09 < _cheerios> goodness. new delicious plugin fixes annoying stuff. they do read their own blog \o/
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06:56 < marklar|omni> ohai
07:21 < MikeSeth> huomenta!
07:29 < marklar|omni> sup
07:29 < marklar|omni> 6 days to 23
07:29 < marklar|omni> mh.
07:36 < MikeSeth> 23 = bd?
07:41 < marklar|omni> ya
07:51 < _cheerios> dark knight ost sounds epic
08:01 < _cheerios> gaah. Gaah. buy a last years model sony 40" v3000 (w2000 panel) for 1019e, or the latest sony 40" w4000 for 1429e... choices, choices :| could get a ps3 to go alongside the last years models tv for that price, but the picture won't be as "perfect" (!)
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08:19 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: I have a meeting this evening near yer work
09:05 < MikeSeth> today my work is at home ;>
09:06 < marklar|omni> oic
09:06 < marklar|omni> hehe
09:06 < marklar|omni> bah
09:07 < marklar|omni> I'm gonna have to suffer in traffic today
09:07 < marklar|omni> ;[
09:15 < MikeSeth> :<
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09:20 < marklar|omni> ugh
09:28 < marklar|omni> ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD
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09:45 < MikeSeth> sir Wombart
09:45 < MikeSeth> the first chapters are gaining shape
09:45 < MikeSeth> maybe we should consider publishing this soon ;>
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10:23 < MikeSeth> aaaaaaaand
10:23 < MikeSeth> first commit into the tutorial repo!
10:23 < MikeSeth> well, third, technically speaking :>
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10:59 < whisller> hi
11:00 < whisller> Guys one hint, never, ever do not upgrade Leopard installation of libxml ;p
11:01 < MikeSeth> hahahahahaa
11:01 < MikeSeth> lol Mac
11:02 < whisller> MikeSeth: mac is good, but if you don;t know that Leopard are using libxml for I don't know what and trying to upgrade ... and it is a mistake ; p
11:02 < whisller> Biggest mistake last day huh
11:02 < whisller> *of 
11:03 < MikeSeth> happens lol
11:04 < whisller> sadly
11:06 < whisller> btw did you ever saw this error? http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=44294 One guy wrote, "Remove old libxml" but it is really bad solution for leopard ;)
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11:22 < marklar|omni> heh
11:22 < marklar|omni> apple teh failomator
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11:40 < marklar|omni> haha
11:41 < marklar|omni> "weep for yourself, 'cause you got a mac."
11:49 < Whisller> marklar|omni: But it was my mistake not mac ;p This is because I'm still discovering mac world :P
11:50 < Whisller> btw. agavi working with libxml 2.6.16? 
11:50 < Whisller> is*
11:50 < Whisller> because a long time I have no write anything in agavi
11:52 < _cheerios> anyone ordered stuff from pixmania?
11:52 < Whisller> no
11:54 < Whisller> http://www.pixmania.com/pl/pl/1244133/art/lg/42-calowy-monitor-tft-24.html o :D
11:54 < Whisller> 42" Only 1.173 pln :>
11:54 < _cheerios> yeah, they have good prices on TVs
11:54 < Whisller> rotfl
11:54 < Whisller> 24" not 42 :>
11:55 < Whisller> Mistake in title
11:56 < Whisller> Yes, they really have good prices http://www.pixmania.com/pl/pl/1242153/art/lg/telewizor-plazmowy-50pg60.html
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11:59 < _cheerios> just wondering about warranty issues. savings on a tv order from pix is like 250-450e.
12:11 < Whisller> I have no idea
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12:27 < marklar|omni> kek
12:29 < Whisller> Hmm Agavi Users mailing list "People have to be invited to join" why :>
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12:53 < marklar|omni> http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1111565 
12:53 < marklar|omni> haha
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13:27 < Whisller> How should looks route definition if I want /moduleName/actionName ? ^/({module:[a-Z]})?/({action:[a-Z]})?$ :>
13:49 < MikeSeth> something like this
13:49 < MikeSeth> but i dont like the idea
13:50 < Whisller> It is only for my developer environment. Because I do not want define routes for all test modules and actions
13:51 < Whisller> Can someone explain me difference between global filters and action filters? 
13:54 < MikeSeth> global filters execute around the whole application
13:54 < MikeSeth> action filters execute around every action
13:56 < Whisller> hah thanks :D
13:58 < marklar|omni> lelele
13:58 < marklar|omni> damn jews
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14:48 < Wombert> MikeSeth: glad to hear
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15:47 < Whisller> Is possible to enable logging to log, executing filters, match routings etc?
15:47 < Whisller> render templates and so on
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17:13 < Macen> mwuahah
17:14 < Macen> for anyone wanting to deploy firefox with default dictionaries or plugins (screengrab etc) bookmark this: http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/release-repackager/
17:14 < Macen> only FF2 compatible atm however if you use FF3 addons, when they make FF2 users upgrade via the built in updater, everything will be smooth
17:15 < Macen> for mac users only :>
17:15 < Macen> ofc heh
17:15 < Macen> creates output files for win, mac and linux
17:15 < Macen> quite 1337 tbh
17:15 < v-dogg> umm.. only one question remains - why the hell?
17:16 < Macen> if you want to deploy firefox...
17:16 < v-dogg> I mean besides admins who would need this?
17:17 < v-dogg> how many times you need to install firefox?
17:17 < Macen> more than once ;)
17:17 < Macen> Panaz has 50 employees
17:17 < Macen> in the uk
17:17 < Macen> about 10% will be using the web site in an admin capacity 
17:17 < _trophaeum> v-dogg, if ur a computer shop etc it beats the shit out of handling zomg i clicked an install this activex thingie in ie
17:18 < Macen> I've used the CCK to customise things like Title bar and Help menu options
17:18 < v-dogg> _trophaeum: sure, but "besides admins"
17:19 < v-dogg> apparently you guys are 
17:19 < _trophaeum> with how many random things i get asked to do it will be useful to me
17:20 < _trophaeum> i need to get around to making an installer that installs ff and thunderbird and hides ie, outlook express and outlook haha
17:20 < Macen> http://temp.youds.com/Picture%202.png
17:20 < _trophaeum> Macen, nice!
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17:22 < Macen> http://temp.youds.com/Picture%203.png
17:22 < Macen> you'll also need this: i can be used to create an extension that customizes
17:22 < Macen> oops
17:22 < Macen> http://www.kaply.com/operator/cckwizard-1.2b2.xpi
17:23 < Macen> Macen: firebot: cck
17:23 < Macen> [18:22] firebot: Macen: the Client Customization Kit <http://www.mozilla.org/projects/cck/firefox> allows you to build a custom version of Firefox. The CCK Wizard at http://www.kaply.com/operator/cckwizard-1.2b2.xpi can be used to create an extension that customizes
17:23 < Macen> [18:22] firebot: Firefox from the Tools menu.
17:23 < Macen> the version on the addons site is way out of date
17:23 < Macen> the built in plugin thing doesn't work in it either, you need to add them individually through the release-repackager 
17:24 < Macen> and you will need to use these: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
17:24 < Macen> good luck :)
17:26 < _trophaeum> gotta love flexability!
17:26 < Macen> hehe :)
17:26 < Macen> now to make my "welcome page" and "home page"
17:27 < Macen> plan to have PageRank™ lookup from a stored cookie on their computer
17:27 < Macen> for their domain
17:27 < Macen> then google embedded in an iframe or something
17:29 < Macen> has to be finished by... 9pm? heh...
17:30 < Macen> meeting at 10am tomorrow to train someone on the web site
17:30 < Macen> blah.. :)
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17:53 < shrink0r> Wombert: I've removed my self initialization of propel
17:53 < Wombert> does it work
17:53 < shrink0r> I was missing the paramter for the datasource in the database.xml
17:54 < shrink0r> *stupid me*
17:54 < shrink0r> and it works wondefull
17:54 < Wombert> <:
17:55 < Macen> Fatal error: Call to a member function getBaseHref() on a non-object 
17:56 < Macen> calling $ro->getBaseHref()
17:56 < Wombert> aha
17:56 < Wombert> and where are you doing this
17:56 < Macen> in a template file, which is called from a View that is similar too a default 404 view
17:56 < Macen> class Public_Pages_WebAdmins_HomeSuccessView extends AgaviView
17:57 < shrink0r> is the $ro assigned correctly for the renderer you are using?
17:57 < shrink0r> in the output_types.xml
17:57 < Macen> unlikely
17:58 < Wombert> again
17:58 < Wombert> ...
17:58 < Macen> i think it's done from the view
17:58 < Macen> $renderer = new AgaviPhpRenderer();
17:58 < Wombert> why are you not extending your projec tbase view
17:58 < Wombert> OMFG
17:58 < Wombert> man
17:58  * Wombert smacks Macen 
17:58 < Wombert> ah well I won't bother
17:58 < Macen> hey, if it's good enough for 404
17:58 < Wombert> you don't even seem to be listening
17:58 < v-dogg> nope
17:59 < Macen> I copied it from the 404 view
17:59 < Macen> what's wrong with that?!
17:59 < Macen> i want to bypass the decorator 
17:59 < v-dogg> what's wrong with copying with out a clue?
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17:59 < Wombert> 14:55 < Wombert> man Macen just look at the view please :/
17:59 < Wombert> 14:55 < Wombert> you just need to load a layout!
17:59 < Wombert> 14:56 < Wombert> the default ones statically build a renderer so they still work even if you switch renderers to smarty or whatever
18:00 < Wombert> (that was wednesday)
18:00 < Wombert> (and we've been there about 18246 before)
18:00 < Macen> EH
18:01 < Macen> n/m..
18:03 < Macen> sometimes i think you don't even bother trying to figure out what i'm trying to do
18:03 < Macen> i'm doing the opposite of what i was doing the other day
18:04 < Wombert> the reason for that could be that you're seemingly incapable of explaining what you're on about
18:04 < Macen> i need to load a layout though is what i need..
18:04 < Macen> i never get chance
18:04 < Macen> heh
18:04 < Wombert> yes
18:05 < Whisller> Question: Is possible to log informations like, render template, match routes, executing filters etc? Is a config flag for it or agavi doesn't support it :>
18:05 < Wombert> because you've been using this framework for seven or something months, bragging how pro you are, and you still don't understand the basics, because you can't be arsed to learn them. in other words, you're deliberately wasting my time, which ticks me off
18:05 < Wombert> that is my impression, at least
18:06 < Wombert> I'm going to explain it one last time, so I'd be grateful if you bothered to pay attention this time
18:06 < Macen> i can't help how you perceive me, i don't know where you get that impression from..
18:06 < Macen> k..
18:06 < Wombert> we could do a survey here and see if anyone has a different opinion, but we don't have time for that right now, so ponder that later and lets move on
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18:07 < Wombert> a view in agavi can either return content (a string or a stream resource) or instruct the execution filter to render a bunch of layers
18:07 < Wombert> you can either build these layers by hand, or you conveniently load them using a layout (which just defines layers, their names, their renderers and their slots), which in 99,9995% of cases is the way to do it
18:08 < Wombert> if you want a "normal" layout and a simple layout without a decorator, you'd simply do
18:08 < Wombert> <layouts>
18:08 < Wombert>   <layout name="default">
18:08 < Wombert>     <layer name="content" />
18:08 < Wombert>     <layer name="decorator">...</layer>
18:08 < Wombert>   </layout>
18:08 < Wombert>   <layout name="simple">
18:08 < Wombert>     <layer name="content" />
18:09 < Wombert> then loadLayout() loads the default, loadLayout('default') loads the default, and loadLayout('simple') loads the simple layout
18:09 < Wombert> decorator layer of course needs the static definitions for templates through parameters, but that's all in the sample sources
18:09 < Macen> i think half the problem is you expect people to be converting from other frameworks
18:10 < Macen> that's not always the case
18:10 < Macen> i understand what you just said, thanks.
18:10 < Wombert> as I explained earlier this week, the system actions that ship with the agavi code templates build layers and renderer instructions by hand. the reason for that is that 404 etc would simply break if you use a layout for those and the user changes the default renderer to, say, AgaviSmartyRenderer
18:10 < Wombert> because that has .tpl as the template extension
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18:17 < Macen> right, I'm sorted
18:17 < Macen> sorry for being a slow learner..
18:17 < Macen> :)
18:18 < ttj> Use quick sort. ::think
18:19 < _cheerios> is it over? ::smoke
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18:22 < shrink0r> nice, fpf is throwing me an exception that he's found an unkown entity
18:22 < shrink0r> and I don't in which of the 20 templates to look
18:23 < shrink0r> I'll give fgrep a shot
18:23 < Wombert> shrink0r: if you have logging enabled
18:23 < Wombert> then FPF will log the complete input document along with the error message
18:24 < shrink0r> nope, probally shuold set that up
18:24 < Wombert> use_logging on and you're set
18:24 < Wombert> :>
18:24 < shrink0r> lack of discipline on private projects
18:24 < shrink0r> ^^
18:24 < shrink0r> I hope I'll grow up some day
18:26 < Wombert> does that solve the problem?
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18:30 < shrink0r> defintely
18:30 < shrink0r> ^^
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18:33 < shrink0r> nice, I wish I had that much time: http://www.b3ta.com/links/Western_Spaghetti_by_PES
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18:41 < Whisller> If you have a time http://pastebin.com/m21e1c6d5
18:43 < shrink0r> hmm, why am I getting an exception: 
18:43 < shrink0r> Line 30: Element '{http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config}slot', attribute 'method': The attribute 'method' is not allowed.
18:44 < shrink0r> isn't that fixed with ticket #667
18:44 < shrink0r> *checking his version*
18:46 < shrink0r> 0.11.2
18:46 < shrink0r> should work
18:46 < shrink0r> hmm
18:48 < Wombert> uhm
18:48 < Wombert> no? :p
18:48 < Wombert> look at the ticket
18:48 < Wombert> 1.0
18:49 < shrink0r> ah
18:49 < shrink0r> whoot a pitty
18:50 < shrink0r> ^^
18:50 < shrink0r> gotta work around
18:50 < Wombert> if its a personal project, you could also just use trunk ;)
18:51 < shrink0r> hmm
18:51 < shrink0r> hard one
18:51 < shrink0r> ^^
18:52 < shrink0r> can't descide
18:52 < shrink0r> I think I'll work around. Isn't that bad
18:57 < Whisller> I got it :D
18:57 < Whisller> Hehe I edited couple of files with var_dump but I got it
18:59 < Wombert> hoem tiem
18:59 < Wombert> baiiii
18:59 < shrink0r> cya
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19:03 < Whisller_> In databases.xml I set a default for AgaviPropelDatabase, and I set a path for config. Also I must add by hand username, database and pgptype parameters?
19:04 < Whisller_> Because I remember I saw somewhere example without it, only with config
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19:05 < v-dogg> Whisller_: propel's project-conf.php already has those so you no, you don't have to define them in databases.xml _unless_ you want to override project-conf.php's values
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19:06 < v-dogg> in which case you want hmm.. <parameter name="override"><parameter name="user"> ... or something (not sure what the parameter names should be)
19:07 < MiNiMEE> morning
19:07 < Whisller_> Thanks v-dogg 
19:08 < shrink0r> huomenta
19:09 < Whisller_> Sorry for my question but I didn't use propel as external library earlier.
19:11 < MiNiMEE> we r having a weird problem with $ro->getBaseHref(); on one of our loadbalanced servers ... one is generating a valid url, the other adds /js/lib/ to it, resulting in a 404 ... should i hardcode a route to prevent that and if so, how?
19:12 < MiNiMEE> both servers ar synced, so there should be no reason for one of the machines to generate those weird urls
19:13 < MiNiMEE> is: http://www.mtv.de/js/lib/flash/videowall/main.swf ... should be: http://www.mtv.de/flash/videowall/main.swf ... question: hardcode route?
19:14 < _trophaeum> MiNiMEE, this is typical of a broken apache config normally
19:15 < _trophaeum> var dump $_SERVER on each and compare them
19:15 < _trophaeum> something will be out of whack
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19:15 < MiNiMEE> well, rogen spits out a wrong basehref on one of our flash-teasers
19:16 < _trophaeum> it no doubt relies on a $_SERVER var
19:16 < MiNiMEE> the rest is fine ...
19:16 < _trophaeum> that server plays up ONLY on that route or on all?
19:16 < MiNiMEE> only this one ... check web7.viva.mtv.de and compare to web8.viva.mtv.de ...
19:17 < MiNiMEE> no flash-teaser on web7 due to wrong basehref on only that particular teaser ... both servers are identical according to SVN
19:18 < MiNiMEE> <?php echo $ro->getBaseHref();?>flash/videowall/main.swf" ...
19:18 < _trophaeum>                     var fo = new SWFObject("http://www.mtv.de/flash/videowall/main.swf", "nav", "518", "261", "8", "#666666");
19:18 < _trophaeum> ?
19:18 < MiNiMEE> yes
19:18 < _trophaeum> web7 gave me that
19:19 < MiNiMEE> it did? w8
19:19 < _trophaeum> correct url there too
19:19 < Whisller_> v-dogg: You have a right, I also can override values from config file by overrides[connection] :)
19:20 < v-dogg> you can, but I'm not sure about the syntax (the parameter names in databases.xml)
19:20 < shrink0r> see irc logs
19:20 < MiNiMEE> weird ... half the day web7 was spitting out that wrong url and now it's ok ....
19:20 < shrink0r> wombert posted the syntax yesteday evening
19:21 < v-dogg> http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/FAQ#LayersandLayouts <- next time someone asked about layouts & layers :)
19:21 < v-dogg> (untill the docs are out :)
19:22 < _cheerios> minimee: same url here too. was that js/lib/flash the old url? would point to code being out of sync.
19:22 < MiNiMEE> yes
19:22 < MiNiMEE> web7 gave me  http://www.mtv.de/js/lib/flash/videowall/main.swf  all day long ... now it looks ok ... weird sucker
19:22 < shrink0r> v-dogg: kinda mean :) 
19:23 < MiNiMEE> without /js/lib/ is the correct url
19:23 < marklar|omni> ohai
19:23 < shrink0r> but there is no doubt that people here are almost always willing to help
19:23 < shrink0r> which kinda fixes the missing docs
19:23 < shrink0r> ^^
19:23 < v-dogg> shrink0r: woot? what's mean?
19:24 < marklar|omni> wtf
19:24 < saracen> "Mailing lists are difficult to use for beginners". If someone who calls himself a software developer is too stupid to sign up to a mailing list, he should consider a new job that fits his skill set. 
19:24 < marklar|omni> iphone cannot haz copypaste
19:24 < saracen> I feel insulted. =(
19:25 < shrink0r> well when tyring to get the basic crud it's kinda hard with only that
19:25 < shrink0r> I guess
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19:44 < Whisller_> Is possible to define path to whole folder in autoload.xml?
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19:56 < Whisller_> Hmm I added /classes folder to include path and php still does not see classes. heh
20:06 < Whisller_> Hah I paste whole path into include_path in php.ini and still doesn't see files ;p
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20:19 < Whisller_> Guys, question. I set include path to /classes folder and PHP doesn't see any of file from it. When I've set up require for one of this class ( from propel ) it load it but also return error Warning: require_once(bookstore/om/BaseAuthorPeer.php) Failed.... But paths in include_path are good. Where I made mistake :
20:19 < Whisller_> :>
20:20 < Wombert> your include path is wrong
20:21 < Whisller_> Can't be. Is good. One path is for PEAR second was for /classes..:/Users/dancuta/Sites/PEAR/PEAR:/Users/dancuta/Sites/agavi_sample/app/lib/propel/build/classes
20:22 < Whisller_> and classes are in bookstore folder
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20:27 < Whisller_> ehh
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20:39 < Wombert> aha
20:39 < Wombert> get_include_path() says that?
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20:41 < Whisller_> yes
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20:42 < Macen> shrink0r: but there is no doubt that people here are almost always willing to help <--- :/
20:42 < Macen> i would be the exception to that heh
20:43 < Macen> except when i say something stupid
20:43 < Macen> in which case, people are more than willing to help
20:43 < Macen> heh
20:43 < Whisller_> Now I tried to execute Propel::init() by hand with /Users/dancuta/Sites/agavi_sample/lib/propel/build/conf/bookstore-conf.php path and .:/Users/dancuta/Sites/PEAR/PEAR/:/Users/dancuta/Sites in include_path but it return error php cannot find Propel class shit :/ Now I don't have idea which path I must set lame heh
20:45 < Wombert> look at the propel docs
20:51 < Whisller_> Ok now my include_path looks that, .:/Users/dancuta/Sites/PEAR/PEAR:/Users/dancuta/Sites/PEAR/PEAR/propel:/Users/dancuta/Sites/agavi_sample/app/lib/propel/build/classes/bookstore I have path to pear, propel and folder with generated classes. And still it return fatal error.
20:54 < Whisller_> It "works" when I set include path to /classes and include by hand *Peer.php :>
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21:08 < Whisller_> Maybe I'm so lame but I added all needed paths for include_path, like /build/classes, /build/classes/bookstore and still it cannot find *Peer file
21:09 < _cheerios> mmm... dark knight in theathers next friday.
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21:16 < Wombert> Whisller_: are you talking about autoloading?
21:16 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
21:17 < Whisller_> Hmm I see in sample CMS application which is on mailing list that in conf.php is a list of classes. Propel has its own autoloader?
21:18 < MikeSeth> MMMM
21:18 < MikeSeth> I almost have a working application
21:18 < Whisller_> Maybe you remember which param must be set to adding path for generated classes in conf.php :>
21:18  * Wombert shakes head
21:18 < MikeSeth> Wombert: shall I send you the updated deliverable?
21:19 < Wombert> if you like
21:19 < Wombert> [22:45] Wombert: look at the propel docs
21:19 < MikeSeth> I'd like you to read it and correct me on anything I do/get wrong
21:19 < Whisller_> Wombert: i saw that
21:19 < Wombert> apparently not
21:19 < Whisller_> And i set all 
21:19 < Wombert> it seems you are using 1.2
21:19 < Whisller_> Yes
21:19 < Wombert> ...
21:19 < Wombert> which does not have autoloading
21:19 < Wombert> ...
21:20 < Whisller_> hmm
21:20 < MikeSeth> sent
21:20  * Wombert pets MikeSeth 
21:21 < Wombert> Whisller_: use 1.3 or put your object and peer classes into autoload.xml
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21:22 < MikeSeth> Wombert: lil bit raep?
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21:22 < Whisller> But if I have set up a path to /classes/bookstore where are Peer classes and so on, shouldn't it works :>
21:23 < Whisller> sorry my fault
21:23 < Whisller> blech
21:23 < Whisller> kruwa
21:24 < Whisller> ohh storm, I must switch off computer
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21:25 < Wombert> MikeSeth: nah
21:25 < MikeSeth> STORMS
21:25 < MikeSeth> THEY HAVE STORMS!!!
21:25 < Wombert> what about "does not have autoloading" is difficult to understand
21:25 < Wombert> ...
21:26 < Wombert> no emails yet MikeSeth 
21:27 < shrink0r> how can I tell the fpf to also populate fields taht
21:27 < shrink0r> ...that are disabled
21:27 < Wombert> uh
21:27 < Wombert> it doesn't ignore disabled fields, shrink0r 
21:28 < shrink0r> k
21:28 < shrink0r> I'm doing something wrong then
21:28 < Wombert> did you submit the form?
21:28 < Wombert> or what
21:28 < Wombert> well
21:28 < Wombert> if you submit
21:28 < Wombert> the browser doesn't submit the disabled fields
21:28 < Wombert> so the fpf doesn't repopulate those
21:28 < Wombert> I assume you have some edit form or so where you fill in initial values
21:28 < Wombert> where the disabled ones do work?
21:28 < Wombert> or what
21:29 < Wombert> if you have values in disabled through the template, then fpf will clear that, I think
21:29 < Wombert> yeah it will
21:29 < Wombert> so... heh
21:29 < Wombert> not really possible
21:30 < Wombert> MikeSeth: send again plz kthx
21:30 < Wombert> I gotta go
21:30 < Wombert> good night folks
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06:33 < _cheerios> back @ work
06:35 < marklar|omni> ohai
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07:05 < _cheerios> that new e71 from nokia has sweet looks to it
07:05 < v-dogg> huomenta
07:07 < _cheerios> huomenta!
07:10 < marklar|omni> huomenta
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07:47 < marklar|omni> eh
07:47 < marklar|omni> fsm thread at reddit - tehwin
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09:00 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: ping
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09:03 < shrink0r> huomenta
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09:06 < AlphaState> hello out there!
09:06 < shrink0r> hi
09:06 < shrink0r> nice to see you
09:06 < shrink0r> ^^
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09:12 < digitarald> Huomenta!
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09:15 < shrink0r> Huomenta
09:18 < marklar|omni> yarr
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10:21 < shrink0r> Hi Wombert
10:22 < shrink0r> couldn't say thx for the fpf hint yesterday evening *night*
10:22 < shrink0r> you where off to fast
10:24 < Wombert> :>
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11:56 < marklar|omni> aghhh
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11:58 < MerlinDMC> marklar|omni, bad weather? :P
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12:04 < marklar|omni> MerlinDMC: damn hot
12:04 < marklar|omni> http://bash.org/?8729
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12:06 < shrink0r> is it possible to set more than one enviroment per configuration, so you wouldn't have to copy paste stuff that concerns several enviroments?
12:06 < shrink0r> something like enviroment="development beta"
12:08 < v-dogg> you can use wildcards like development-*
12:09 < v-dogg> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/buildtools/code_templates/config/settings.xml.tmpl#L59
12:09 < shrink0r> k
12:09 < shrink0r> thx
12:10 < Wombert> .*
12:10 < marklar|omni> hrmm
12:10 < Wombert> regular expressions
12:10 < marklar|omni> o/
12:10 < v-dogg> ups, sorry
12:10 < Wombert> and yes, shrink0r, space separated list works as well
12:10 < Wombert> <configuration environment="development.* staging.*">
12:11 < shrink0r> np
12:11 < shrink0r> ^^
12:11 < shrink0r> thx Wombert
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13:14 < shrink0r> what kinda format does the AgaviNumberFormatter expect?
13:14 < Wombert> icu format
13:14 < Wombert> mind you that agavi ships with number formats already
13:14 < Wombert> for all locales
13:16 < shrink0r> I want to seperate my tausends with a dot
13:16 < shrink0r> thousends
13:16 < shrink0r> omg, sry for the spelling
13:17 < _cheerios> what's the way to create a path between two revisions?
13:17 < _cheerios> (that already exist -- older revs)
13:17 < _cheerios> *patch
13:19 < Wombert> it does that by default, shrink0r 
13:20 < Wombert> svn diff foo@rev1 foo@rev2
13:22 < shrink0r> thx, Wombert.
13:22 < shrink0r> I tought I kinda new the agavi doc by heart
13:22 < shrink0r> ^^
13:22 < shrink0r> *knew
13:22 < shrink0r> but forgot about icu 
13:23 < shrink0r> gotta start checking the doc again before asking
13:27 < Wombert> no worries shrink0r 
13:27 < Wombert> docs are appaling, that's what the channel is for
13:28 < Wombert> $tm->_n(1234.56) should simply show correct results
13:28 < Wombert> if the current locale is de_DE
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13:31 < shrink0r> k
13:31 < shrink0r> agavi, gotta love it
13:31 < shrink0r> ^^
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13:32 < shrink0r> *can't wait for 1.0*
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13:42 < Wombert> why do you have to wait for 1.0, shrink0r :)
13:46 < digitarald> is there a 1.0 release date/month?
13:46 < Wombert> fall
13:46 < digitarald> when the external engineer finished his new features?
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13:46 < Wombert> who?
13:46 < digitarald> what is that only-xml branch?
13:47 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=1.0
13:47 < Wombert> :>
13:47 < digitarald> internal error trac thing
13:48 < Wombert> ... reload
13:48 < digitarald> ticket 30 is a hard one
13:48 < _cheerios> blank page, worked on reload, good 'ol trac :)
13:48 < marklar|omni> heh
13:48 < marklar|omni> trac is so full of fail
13:48 < marklar|omni> wtf writes a webapp in snakelang :<
13:48 < digitarald> acts like windows, restart fixes everything
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13:51 < Wombert> snakelang rawks :<
13:51 < Wombert> snaeklang een
13:51 < Wombert> *even
13:51 < Wombert> PHP IS ELEPHANT LANG KEKEKE
13:54 < digitarald> mh ... http://forum.agavi.org/ ...
13:54 < digitarald> linked here: http://freshmeat.net/projects/agavi/?branch_id=58648&release_id=198396
13:55 < digitarald> was there ever a forum??
13:55 < Wombert> yes, there was
13:55 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/FAQ
13:55 < digitarald> ah, right ... I remember ... that spam target
13:55 < Wombert> "And yes, we know what we're talking about, because we once had message boards, and they were horrible. And no, all the other arguments you had in mind just don't apply. There are two others which are especially significant:"
13:55 < digitarald> ... the old days ...
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14:05 < marklar|omni> heh
14:05 < marklar|omni> bugzilla2trac.py -> ultrafail
14:05 < Wombert> prolly for 0.10, that one
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15:04 < nfq> hahah: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/index.html
15:04 < nfq> for you Wombert 
15:05 < Wombert> :p
15:05 < Wombert> RIM IS TOASTS KEKE
15:05 < Wombert> but srsly
15:06 < Wombert> iphone with handwriting would be win
15:06 < Wombert> and I despise of the iPhone
15:06 < Wombert> it doesn't show num of characters when writing sms
15:06 < Wombert> how lame is that
15:06 < Wombert> and still no copy/paste
15:06 < Wombert> and no sending/receiving of files or even vcards(!!!!!!) over bluetooth
15:06 < Wombert> let alone bluetooth modem functionality
15:08 < rick111> WINGE BAG
15:12 < digitarald> no bluetooth modem?
15:13 < digitarald> who need functionality with a glamour design ...
15:13 < digitarald> why should u add bluetooth to a handy but no useful usage?
15:19 < _cheerios> dark knight is getting rave reviews. 100% even on rottentomatoes o_O
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15:46 < Wombert> handy
15:46  * Wombert chuckles
15:46 < Wombert> it's a mobile phone, digitarald :p
15:47 < Wombert> "handy" is a german word (and a stupid one)
15:47 < nfq> heheh
15:47 < nfq> Wombert: you are german too, and they are kind of handy
15:47 < nfq> yippee, just ordered my iPhone
15:48 < Wombert> sucker
15:48 < Wombert> I want one
15:48 < Wombert> actually
15:48 < Wombert> imma wait till kaos gets his
15:48 < Wombert> then I'll steal it for a day
15:48 < Wombert> and see if I liek or not
15:48 < nfq> heheh
15:48 < nfq> yeah!
15:48 < Wombert> srsly
15:48 < Wombert> this bluetooth stuff
15:48 < Wombert> annoying
15:48 < digitarald> handy!
15:48 < digitarald> funki!
15:49 < digitarald> ... móvil ...
15:51 < marklar|omni> ohi
15:51 < marklar|omni> Wombert: iphone doesnt even have copy paste
15:51 < marklar|omni> srsly, wtf.
15:51 < marklar|omni> wait for crackberry thunder
15:51 < marklar|omni> :<
15:54 < Wombert> yeah
15:54 < Wombert> quite lame, really
15:55 < marklar|omni> and if you use the exchange connectivity
15:55 < marklar|omni> it's either exchange contacts or private ones
15:55 < marklar|omni> failorama.
15:57 < v-dogg> iPhone has no bluetooth modem? makes it useless for me then
15:59 < v-dogg> and no copy/paste... oh come on guys. is it good for anything other than showing off and maybe some web surfing?-)
15:59 < marklar|omni> fail
15:59 < marklar|omni> crackberry ftw
16:00 < marklar|omni> except the shitty curve with it's stupid-ass ball instead of trackwheel
16:05  * vjoe reboot
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16:10 < marklar|omni> lalal
16:10 < marklar|omni> put my ipaq up for sale
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16:36 < marklar|omni> ahah
16:36 < marklar|omni> advice dog thread 
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16:43 < marklar|omni> http://img.4chan.org/b/thumb/1216053485114s.jpg
16:43 < marklar|omni> kek
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17:07 < marklar|omni> heh wow
17:07 < marklar|omni> v-dogg: hear?
17:08 < marklar|omni> http://www.photolight.co.il/show_photo/author7129/241740.html
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17:24 < v-dogg> marklar|omni: I am now
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17:27 < v-dogg> nice picture :)
17:27 < v-dogg> what was at http://img.4chan.org/b/thumb/1216053485114s.jpg?
17:28 < Whisller> hi
17:28 < marklar|omni> clippy 
17:28 < marklar|omni> "you seem to have posted a fail thread.
17:28 < marklar|omni> options:
17:28 < marklar|omni> [o] tits [o] gtfo"
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17:44 < _cheerios> why are all the 4chan links always 404s? do you need to be logged in or something?
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17:50 < Wombert> cause 4chan is teh fails
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17:59 < nfq> wow: http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/17858/
18:27 < marklar|omni> _cheerios: because you needed to be there
18:27 < marklar|omni> :<
18:28 < Whisller> Guys I have a problem with include path, really don't have idea what I'm doing wrong
18:28 < Whisller> http://pastebin.com/m5274a830
18:28 < Whisller> Everything is like in tutorial, but it doesn't see any of generated classes
18:28 < Whisller> I used propel 1.3
18:29 < Whisller> *i'm using
18:31 < Whisller> hmm shit
18:31 < Whisller> now it works
18:31 < Whisller> but another problem with path, ehh I must check it
18:35 < Whisller> Hmm I got it :>
18:35 < Whisller> always this same problems with paths
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18:39 < Whisller> Sorry for clutter the screen.
18:44 < marklar|omni> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1216060923078.jpg
18:44 < marklar|omni> :<
18:45 < _cheerios> of all things, im watching bowling videos on youtube
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18:46 < Whisller> marklar|omni: O.o bleeee ;p
18:46 < Whisller> it looks horrible
18:46 < marklar|omni> hehehe
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19:05 < Wombert> hoem tiem
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19:57 < shrink0r> hai wombert
19:58 < Wombert> sup shrink0r 
19:58 < shrink0r> I heard you might be visiting berlin?
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19:58 < Wombert> oh
19:58 < Wombert> really? :>
20:00 < shrink0r> yeah ^^
20:00 < shrink0r> for a workshop at a company
20:01 < shrink0r> am I wrong?
20:04 < Wombert> maybe
20:04 < shrink0r> k
20:04 < Wombert> I prefer not to discuss business stuff in here :)
20:04 < shrink0r> yeah
20:11 < Whisller> I have a question about #132 ticket, it will be something like components in symfony?
20:24 < _cheerios> stand erect, relaxed. :tididiii:
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20:50 < Whisller> good night
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21:09 < Strzalek> Huomenta
21:10 < Strzalek> I have to generate an excel file - can you recommend some lib besides pear which isn't using COM?
21:17 < Strzalek> Ok, if not - can smb tell me what I'm doing wrong and this shitty pear lib don't work?
21:17 < Strzalek> include path is set
21:17 < _trophaeum> Strzalek, when at all possible just use a csv :/
21:17 < Strzalek> Yes I know
21:18 < Strzalek> But I'd like to generate sheet with fomulas
21:18 < Strzalek> I have set: 
21:18 < Strzalek> (include_path='.:/Applications/MAMP/bin/php5/lib/php;/Users/strzalek/Sites/tts/libs/pear')
21:19 < Strzalek> in libs/pear there are files
21:19 < Strzalek> in action i'm doing require PEAR.php
21:19 < Strzalek> and error ;/
21:19 < Strzalek> failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /Users/strzalek/Sites/tts/app/modules/Products/actions/PriceListAction.class.php on line 10
21:29 < Strzalek> any ideas?
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22:21 < Strzalek> ha!
22:21 < Strzalek> solved my problem
22:21 < Strzalek> need to add .: 
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06:07 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:17 < _cheerios> huomenta
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06:36 < Rendez> morning
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06:43 < Whisller> Hi
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07:23 < Whisller> re
07:37 < Rendez> hi
07:48 < Rendez> Working in local
07:48 < Rendez> I have followsymlinks set but I can't get index.*** files to load when accesing a directory
07:48 < Rendez> what should I do?
07:51 < Rendez> httpd.conf is like this
07:51 < Rendez> <IfModule mod_php5.c>
07:51 < Rendez>     AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
07:51 < Rendez>     AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
07:51 < Rendez>     <IfModule mod_dir.c>
07:51 < Rendez>         DirectoryIndex index.html index.php
07:51 < Rendez>     </IfModule>
07:51 < Rendez> </IfModule>
07:53 < _cheerios> should be plenty tutorials on installing php for apache :)
07:53 < Rendez> I'm using entropy already working
07:54 < Whisller> Compile php by hand ;p
07:55 < Rendez> haha, why to come back if everything is working?
07:55 < Rendez> well, how can I know which httpd.conf is loading?
07:56 < Whisller> make syntax mistake :D
07:56 < Whisller> and you will see ;p
07:58 < Rendez> hmm
07:59 < Whisller> And how many httpd.conf's do you have :>
07:59 < Whisller> hehe
07:59 < Rendez> I don't know, looking :)
07:59 < Whisller> heh
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08:05 < shrink0r> Huomenta
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08:07 < MikeSeth> ohai
08:07 < MikeSeth> ltns!
08:07 < MikeSeth> heh
08:12 < Rendez> Whisller: should be that one
08:12 < Rendez> :)
08:22 < Rendez> Anyone see something wrong?
08:22 < Rendez> <Directory "/Users/rendez/Sites/">
08:22 < Rendez>     Options Indexes MultiViews Includes FollowSymLinks
08:22 < Rendez>     AllowOverride All AuthConfig
08:22 < Rendez>     Order allow,deny
08:22 < Rendez>     Allow from all
08:22 < Rendez> </Directory>
08:23 < MikeSeth> AuthConfig is a valid parameter for AllowOverride?
08:23 < Rendez> I don't know :P
08:24 < MikeSeth> besides, MultiViews is a bad idea that breaks stuff, turn it off
08:24 < Rendez> ok
08:24 < Rendez> what do they do?
08:24 < MikeSeth> umm
08:25 < MikeSeth> basically when your request 404's, Apache tries to find files SIMILAR to what you requested
08:25 < Rendez> that Multiviews?
08:26 < MikeSeth> yeah
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08:27 < Rendez> didn't work
08:28 < Rendez> Must be something really easy for someone who knows this well
08:28 < Rendez> :P
08:28 < Rendez> I lack experience
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08:30 < MikeSeth> Rendez: what's broken?
08:30  * MikeSeth pets Wombert_ 
08:30 < Whisller_> Ticket #370 is possible to write it now? I'm asking about technical. Is possible to checking a routing trace, rednering templates etc. in filter?
08:31 < Whisller_> I asked about it yesterday but noone don't respond :P
08:31 < Wombert_> of course
08:32 < Whisller_> hmm, because I'm thinking to write something similart to symfony debugger
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08:34 < Whisller_> Wombert can you explain me something. Agavi doesn't add it to logger, so how I can read it? Which class/classes has information like routing stack, executed module/action, rendered templates etc. :>
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08:36 < v-dogg> Whisller_: $this->context->getRequest()->getAttribute('matched_routes', 'org.agavi.routing', array()) gives you all the routes that matched 
08:37 < v-dogg> execution container has info about the current action but but but... hmm..
08:37 < v-dogg> what and where do you want to log?
08:38 < v-dogg> one execution run (one page request) can run several actions
08:38 < Whisller_> v-dogg: After execute action I want read everything, whole stack to this action. Like routes, renders templates and so on. Something like has symfony. Did you saw it?
08:38 < v-dogg> no
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08:40 < Whisller_> http://www.symfony-project.org/book/1_1/16-Application-Management-Tools#Web Debug Toolbar
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08:43 < v-dogg> hmmm... I guess you should use a custom execution container and/or execution filter
08:44 < v-dogg> but how are the log lines transfered to the browser? x-custom-headers?
08:44 < v-dogg> or some ajax magic?
08:45 < Wombert_> I'd say it modifies the output html
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08:45 < Whisller_> All informations are in hidden divs, and then only JS shows it. So first I must read all needed informations and add them by filter to output html - as Said Wombert
08:46 < Whisller_> and then only add JS file into head
08:46 < v-dogg> ok
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08:47 < Whisller_> Thanks guys, after work at home I will check it. And if you don't have anything against that I will ask you about how to read some things :)
08:48 < v-dogg> you can replace the execution filter and execution container implementations in factories.xml
08:48 < v-dogg> probably the way to go
08:48 < Whisller_> Ok.
08:50 < v-dogg> but hidden html....
08:51 < v-dogg> oh well, it's a good start :)
08:51 < Whisller_> I don't said It is a good idea, that works Debug Toolbar in symfony
08:51 < Whisller_> Heh, yes. First I must read all needed informations :)
08:51 < v-dogg> yup
08:52 < Whisller_> :)
08:55 < Whisller_> I'm so excited. I cannot wait to write it hehe :)
08:56 < MikeSeth> btw re: debugger
08:56 < MikeSeth> this is an idea I should add to the tips list
08:56  * MikeSeth ponders
08:57 < v-dogg> tips list?
08:58 < Whisller_> I talked with splatch and he said, good idea will be add for that Tollbar debugger information about FPF. Which fields are changed, what values etc. Hah great, great :D
08:59 < Whisller_> brb. dinner
09:01 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: yeah im compiling list of very advanced stuff that can be done
09:04 < v-dogg> we could publish a "What can be done" comparison between frameworks ;p
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09:30 < MikeSeth> WHAT DO WE WANT?
09:30 < MikeSeth> 5.3 namespaces
09:30 < MikeSeth> WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
09:30 < MikeSeth> now!
09:32 < rick111> MikeSeth i have some fantastic news
09:33 < MikeSeth> you're a hot chick who's going to strip on camera for all of us?
09:33 < MikeSeth> lol
09:37 < MerlinDMC> hehe
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09:51 < rick111> close
09:51 < rick111> i BANGED a bird whilst on holiday
09:51 < rick111> woohoo
09:52 < MikeSeth> you had sex with a bird?
09:53 < rick111> lol, yes.... not the errrrr, flying ones though, they were too quick
09:53 < MikeSeth> ...
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10:28 < Wombert> did she cost money? :>
10:34 < rick111> no man, just CHARM
10:35 < rick111> when I started talking about assassins creed things kinda went down hill, so I reverted to standard lad mode, and just started trying to drown her in the pool, WORKED A TREAT!
10:39 < Whisller_> and then you woke up...
10:39 < Whisller_> ;)
10:39 < Wombert> html5 is so fail
10:39 < MikeSeth> and aids
10:39 < Wombert> did you see <div data-lulz="zomg"> stuff
10:39 < Wombert> man
10:39 < Wombert> that's why xhtml = win
10:39 < Wombert> you put your shit in a namespace and everyone's happy
10:39 < MikeSeth> LOL WAT
10:41 < Wombert> http://ajaxian.com/archives/html-5-data-elements-to-store-private-values
10:41 < Wombert> I mean
10:41 < Wombert> jon resig is bright, right?
10:41 < Wombert> but that stuff is aids
10:41 < Wombert> srsly
10:42 < Wombert> in fact, it's motherfucking retarded
10:42 < MikeSeth> oh yeah good idea, why not duplicate the dom nodes and cause IE memory leaks
10:42 < Wombert> I can't believe it
10:42 < MikeSeth> habeeb it
10:51 < rick111> never really slept ;)
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11:25 < MikeSeth> la la la
11:25  * Wombert smacks grep
11:25 < MikeSeth> my new office
11:25 < MikeSeth> is so very nice
11:35 < Wombert> orly
11:37 < MikeSeth> yarly
11:38  * v-dogg just bought Asus Eee Pc
11:38 < v-dogg> it's tiny :)
11:38 < MerlinDMC> tiny ... the screen yes ;)
11:39 < v-dogg> well, even compared to my 12" Acer laptop it is tiny 
11:39 < v-dogg> and much nicer to carry around (on holiday)
11:40 < v-dogg> just need to make sure I can use Citrix with it 
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11:41 < v-dogg> web, ssh and a citrix client is all I need to survive small crises 
11:41 < v-dogg> and I really would like to actually take some time off this summer...
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12:03 < marklar|omni> ohai
12:03 < marklar|omni> plz2die
12:03 < marklar|omni> :<
12:06 < shoan> v-dogg: the eeepc is cool. friend of mine has one. 
12:10 < shoan> v-dogg: did you buy the 4G?
12:10 < v-dogg> yup
12:10 < v-dogg> and a usb modem
12:11 < marklar|omni> does it run tehlunix?
12:13 < shoan> v-dogg: are you going to run ubuntu/debian on it?
12:18 < v-dogg> nah, whateverlunix is has now suits me fine
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12:23 < v-dogg> ssh & irssi work like a dream :)
12:24 < v-dogg> I love this tiny little beast <3
12:24 < ttj> Which one?
12:24 < v-dogg> asus eeeeeeeee pc
12:25 < ttj> Asus...
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12:53 < MikeSeth> Wombert: www.spread.org
12:58 < marklar|omni> sjdgh
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13:02 < marklar|omni> miek
13:02 < marklar|omni> i need a foolproof scheme for killing everyone
13:03 < impl> melt the icebergs
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13:03 < MikeSeth> wait for a year or so
13:03 < impl> no use a hair dryer
13:03 < impl> it will be faster
13:04 < MerlinDMC> everyone? ... and who should do quality ensurance after your world annihilation to get sure it was foolproof? ;)
13:05 < marklar|omni> roaches.
13:07 < impl> gaww
13:07 < Macen> marklar|omni: i need a foolproof scheme for killing everyone :: impl: melt the icebergs :: MikeSeth: wait for a year or so :: impl: no use a hair dryer :: impl: it will be faster
13:07 < Macen> new quit msg :D
13:07 < Macen> rahrahrah
13:07 < impl> lawl
13:08 < marklar|omni> heh
13:08 < marklar|omni> k
13:09 < marklar|omni> :<
13:09 < MikeSeth> http://freshmeat.net/projects/phppython/?branch_id=75145&release_id=281255
13:09 < marklar|omni> I have an "cvs or svn" meetin
13:09 < marklar|omni> g
13:09 < marklar|omni> in like 20 min
13:09 < marklar|omni> think they'd go for git? :<
13:09 < impl> mercurial
13:09 < impl> plz
13:09 < marklar|omni> n
13:09 < impl> ya
13:09 < MikeSeth>                 ###               ###
13:09 < MikeSeth>                #####             #####
13:09 < MikeSeth>               ######            #######
13:09 < MikeSeth>                #####             #####
13:09 < MikeSeth>                 ###               ###
13:09 < MikeSeth>                              ###########
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13:09 < MikeSeth>                         #####################
13:09 < MikeSeth>                     #############################
13:09 < impl> RUIN
13:09 < MikeSeth>                   ##################################
13:09 < impl> RUIN
13:09 < MikeSeth>                 ######################################
13:10 < impl> kekeke
13:10 < MikeSeth>                ########                        ########
13:10 < MikeSeth>               ####                                 ####
13:10 < MikeSeth>               #
13:10 < marklar|omni> wtf is that
13:10 < marklar|omni> impl borked it ;[
13:11 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: it was a visual description of this 
13:11 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: it was a visual description of this     if (! $casino)
13:11 < MikeSeth>       {
13:11 < MikeSeth>         $new_password = '';
13:11 < MikeSeth>         if (!($player = $pm->createFreeAccount($email, $name, $new_password)))
13:11 < MikeSeth>           return 'EmailAlreadyExists';
13:11 < MikeSeth>         $this->setAttribute('password', $new_password);
13:11 < MikeSeth>       }
13:11 < MikeSeth>     else
13:11 < MikeSeth>       {
13:11 < MikeSeth>         // Perform casino-specific signup
13:11 < MikeSeth>         if (! ($acc = $pm->createCashAccount($email, $name, $password, $casino)))
13:11 < MikeSeth>           return 'EmailAlreadyExists';
13:11 < MikeSeth>       }
13:11 < MikeSeth> errr
13:11 < MikeSeth> fail :<
13:11 < MikeSeth> http://freshmeat.net/projects/phppython/?branch_id=75145&release_id=281255
13:11 < MikeSeth> this thing
13:11 < impl> MikeSeth: this project is written in um
13:11 < MikeSeth> LOOK AT MY SEXY CODE
13:11 < impl> I dont' know what language it is
13:11 < MikeSeth> LOOK HOW PRETTY IT IS
13:11 < MikeSeth> kthx
13:11 < impl> it looks like turkish or something
13:12 < marklar|omni> wtf
13:12 < marklar|omni> w-t-f.
13:12 < marklar|omni> what.
13:12 < marklar|omni> the.
13:12 < marklar|omni> fuck.
13:12 < marklar|omni> NO.
13:12 < impl> ya this is quite fail
13:13 < MikeSeth> you jews better not be dissin' my codez
13:13 < impl> no
13:13 < MikeSeth> cuz I outjew you easily :D
13:14 < impl> I am looking at this phppython code
13:14 < impl> it's epic fail
13:14 < MikeSeth> WHY
13:14 < MikeSeth> DO NOT WANT
13:14 < MikeSeth> » Popularity: 0.00% (Rank 45134) 
13:14 < MikeSeth> u c what i did thar?
13:14 < impl> wat
13:15 < MikeSeth> ahahaha
13:15 < MikeSeth> I caused my boss to start saying "wat" IRL
13:15 < impl> nice
13:16 < marklar|omni> heh
13:16 < marklar|omni> I always say "wat hapen" when I walk into the office
13:16 < marklar|omni> 60% of the time the reply is ~ "nutin lol"
13:17 < impl> gah, do you guys have any suggestion for figuring out how this build system can manage to allocate 128MB+ of memory running the project-wizard target?
13:17 < impl> I'm trying xdebug and it's not totally helpful
13:17 < impl> and seems arbitrary
13:17 < marklar|omni> possibly high trace amounts of fail radiation
13:18 < marklar|omni> list loaded modulez plz
13:18 < marklar|omni> I had weird problems w/memleaks when some dipshit enabled the xslt module
13:18 < MikeSeth> impl: most likely cause loop in teh logic
13:19 < MikeSeth> impl: btw there's one question in the middle of the wizard that doesnt get a default value (module name) and breaks if you just press enter
13:19 < impl> yeah I know
13:19 < impl> that's like in the eggdrop configuration files
13:19 < impl> you have to put in a value to make sure you're still paying attention
13:20 < impl> (just kidding, I'm going to fix it :P)
13:20 < MikeSeth> plz do then my chapter will be perfec ;>
13:20 < marklar|omni> ohlawlz @ eggdrop
13:20 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: 
13:20 < marklar|omni> http://ostrie.moskva.com/?do=Item&id=932513
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13:21 < MikeSeth> zomg lololol
13:21 < MikeSeth> hahahahahahahahahaha
13:22 < impl> marklar|omni: imma try removing xsl nao
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13:23 < impl> MikeSeth: btw does your tutorial just say "PRES ENTER UNTIL IT RETURNS YOU TO PROMPT"?
13:23 < MikeSeth> no
13:23 < impl> oh okay :D
13:23 < MikeSeth> the build instructions are given for an application before its internal structure is explained
13:23 < MikeSeth> so its more or less "I did this cuz I had to, if you do the same you die"
13:24 < impl> maybe it is worth briefly mentioning some of the structure first?
13:24 < impl> or is that too boring
13:25 < MikeSeth> impl: the tutorial documents creation of an application
13:25 < MikeSeth> it is intended for the users to derive their own use of the tools
13:25 < MikeSeth> also, it is ordered by concepts
13:25 < MikeSeth> so build system and configuration comes before e.g. model code
13:29 < impl> ah okay
13:29 < impl> marklar|omni: didn't help :(
13:29 < impl>   186.7758  119633360    -4016     -> Project->fireBuildFinished() /usr/share/php/agavi/build/agavi/script/agavi.php:290
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13:48 < Macen> seen as though i'm now using a framework
13:48 < Macen> seems pretty pointless writing out headers for emails myself etc
13:49 < Macen> what libraries do you guys use for sending mail?
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13:49 < Macen> no particular requirements other than it must support the unix version of sending mails..
13:52 < MerlinDMC> Macen, I've used Swiftmailer ... was easy and scalable
13:52 < Macen> that'll do me
13:52 < Macen> Google is giving me odd results
13:52 < Macen> thanks
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14:55 < Wombert> swift, yeah, or ez components'
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16:27 < CIA-5> impl * r2613 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Build system changes: bump the memory limit to a hardcoded value of 4GB in the shell scripts; add car task; make project-wizard work without requiring any unnecessary user input; clarify public-web-create slightly
16:27 < impl> MikeSeth: car task is named in your honor :~
16:28 < marklar|omni> my other car is a cdr
16:28 < impl> lolol
16:29 < marklar|omni> :D
16:29  * marklar|omni stabs all
16:34 < Wombert> wat
16:34 < Wombert> car
16:35 < impl> lawl
16:35 < impl> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-lisp-intro/html_node/car---cdr.html
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16:50 < marklar|omni> hahaa
16:50 < marklar|omni> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1216139264534.jpg
16:58 < Wombert> eheheh
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17:52 < _cheerios> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
17:54 < _cheerios> xycling = bathing in your own sweat for 45mins
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18:19 < LBO_> huomenta guys
18:20 < LBO_> did anyone of u make some debug panel for agavi?
18:20 < LBO_> some kind of filter ehich add debug panel with request data, cookies, user,data etc?
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18:41 < Whisller> hi
19:29 < _cheerios> *tired*
19:42 < _cheerios> 4GB *g*
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19:46 < E_mE[portugal]> evening
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19:53 < E_mE[portugal]> bye bye for now, see you lot in a week
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21:18 < Whisller> Good night guys
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05:36 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:41 < _cheerios> not yet, not at work.
05:41 < _cheerios> ->offski
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06:10 < _cheerios> huomenta!
06:13 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
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06:17 < Whisller> hi
06:30 < marklar|omni> ohai2u
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07:27 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: hear?
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07:56 < digitarald> Huomenta!
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08:27 < MikeSeth> ohai
08:27 < MikeSeth> i'm so friggin angry
08:28 < v-dogg> what for?
08:29 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: prisoner exchange
08:29 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: we just traded 200 bodies & 6 live arab criminals for corpses of 2 kidnapped soldiers
08:34 < marklar|omni> ya
08:34 < marklar|omni> megafail
08:35 < v-dogg> heh, that's definitely something that doesn't happen here a lot :)
08:36 < marklar|omni> heh
08:37 < MikeSeth> heh
08:38 < marklar|omni> heh
08:40 < MikeSeth> heh
08:46 < v-dogg> ok beavis and butt-head, you can stop now :)
08:48 < marklar|omni> heh
08:48 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: did you install fbsd?
08:49 < MikeSeth> no
08:49 < MikeSeth> im lazeh
09:42 < marklar|omni> kek
09:42 < marklar|omni> I want to print a big advice dog poster
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09:44 < v-dogg> this eee pc is really really cool (considering it cost 249 e)
09:44 < v-dogg> the default newbie mode was easy to switch to a normal kde desktop and now it's works like a normal laptop
09:45 < marklar|omni> how's the battery life?
09:45 < v-dogg> only it weights less than one kg
09:45 < marklar|omni> I like my dell :<
09:45 < v-dogg> 2,5h so not that good
09:45 < marklar|omni> um
09:45 < marklar|omni> my dell gets 4.
09:45 < marklar|omni> fail.
09:45 < marklar|omni> 15.4", no less
09:45 < v-dogg> 7" :)
09:46 < v-dogg> perfect for carrying around during holiday
09:46 < marklar|omni> except it sucks
09:46 < marklar|omni> but yeah
09:46 < marklar|omni> its perfect
09:46 < marklar|omni> :<
09:48 < marklar|omni> 249e is rather cheap though
09:48 < v-dogg> of course it's not a computer you do any serious work with. but you can sort out smaller crisis (they are bound to happen when you are not at the office :), read mails, surf etc.
09:48 < marklar|omni> around here it's more like ~350e
09:48 < marklar|omni> I have a blackberry for emergency stuff
09:49 < marklar|omni> good enoug
09:49 < marklar|omni> h
09:49 < marklar|omni> + free :<
09:49 < v-dogg> I need citrix client 
09:50 < marklar|omni> why?
09:50 < marklar|omni> ssh isn't good enough? :<
09:50 < v-dogg> nope
09:50 < marklar|omni> meh
09:50 < marklar|omni> regular laptop + tethered blackberry / cellular modem
09:50 < marklar|omni> ftw
09:51 < marklar|omni> not sure I can find a use for the eee
09:51 < marklar|omni> my gf would prolly like it, though
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10:11 < Whisller> Do someone of you are using eclipse svn plugin?
10:12 < MikeSeth> I dont even know anyone who uses eclipse ;>
10:12 < Whisller> ;p
10:13 < Whisller> It merge to my branch and commit to trunk, but doesn't work on merging between my branch and trunk
10:13 < Whisller> Shit
10:13 < MikeSeth> there's no difference between branches and the trunk from svn perspective
10:13 < MikeSeth> so it shouldnt happen
10:14 < Whisller> It just hang up
10:14 < Whisller> Nothing happen ;p
10:14 < Whisller> And I don't have idea why, I'm user I set up everything good. But it just hang up plugin
10:17 < MikeSeth> no idea sorry
10:17 < MikeSeth> i use unix command line for this kinda stuff
10:17 < MikeSeth> ;>
10:17 < Whisller> Heh I prefer graphic guo
10:17 < Whisller> gui
10:18 < Whisller> Maybe because I don't know commands ;)
10:18 < Whisller> And huh I don't want resolving conflicts with console ;p
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10:24 < MikeSeth> its actually very easy :>
10:24 < Whisller> I'm not convinced :)
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10:28 < Whisller> I must try syncro svn client
10:33 < Whisller> kurwa
10:33 < impl> you have to use something like svn merge --reintegrate when you're pulling changes from a branch back into trunk
10:34 < impl> or something
10:34 < impl> maybe that's a 1.5-only feature, I was just reading about it yesterday
10:35 < Whisller> in eclipse? 
10:35 < impl> oh, no, I have no idea how Eclipse's SVN stuff works
10:35 < impl> haven't used it in years, sorry :(
10:37 < Whisller> Heh syncro svn client looks good, but I forgot I installed it earlier and now It want to buy it ;p But I jsut want test it huh
10:38 < impl> set your clock back liek 4 years
10:38 < impl> :>
10:39 < Whisller> It doesn't work :)
10:39 < impl> ah well
10:40 < Whisller> ahh
10:40 < Whisller> or wait
10:40 < Whisller> it works :D
10:40 < Whisller> rotfl
10:40 < Whisller> ol no
10:49 < Macen> ahahaa
10:49 < Macen> rofl
10:49 < Macen> rotfl is far too anal :p
10:50 < impl> maybe it is a tiled floor
10:50 < Macen> maybe 
10:51 < Macen> food :>
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11:03 < marklar|omni> Whisller: use tortoise plz
11:03 < Whisller> on mac ? ;p
11:03 < marklar|omni> cli
11:04 < marklar|omni> :D
11:04 < Whisller> :P
11:04 < marklar|omni> that's what you get for using teh fail
11:04 < marklar|omni> :<
11:04 < Whisller> I'm testing syncro svn now. Maybe it is my client from heaven. 
11:04 < Whisller> But yes tortorise svn is great
11:05 < marklar|omni> why are you using mac?
11:05 < marklar|omni> srsly, why?
11:06 < Whisller> Because I can, I want, and is great :P
11:06 < marklar|omni> pfft
11:07 < marklar|omni> and you pay 200% more for stuff that has less features but more "ooh shiny lawlz"
11:07 < marklar|omni> impl: amirite?
11:07 < Whisller> hehe
11:08 < Whisller> marklar|omni : read it http://diymacserver.com/2008/06/05/why-have-your-own-mail-server/
11:08 < marklar|omni> um
11:08 < marklar|omni> that's hardly related
11:08 < marklar|omni> I also run my own mail server
11:08 < Whisller> And it is similar to that why I have mac 
11:08 < marklar|omni> but I run it because there are no usable alternatives
11:09 < Whisller> But mac is really good, now I jsut have a problem with svn, because I don't know command line.
11:09 < Whisller> And it is a problem, not applications for mac
11:11 < Macen> omfg
11:11 < Macen> mac is win
11:11 < Macen> deal with it !
11:12 < Whisller> ;p
11:12 < Macen> you should aspire towards it marklar
11:12 < Macen> give your life direction, you know
11:13 < Macen> personally, my view is based on a pure sex rating
11:13 < MikeSeth> you would copulate with a macintosh?
11:13 < Macen> most definitely 
11:13 < MikeSeth> make pics
11:13 < Macen> lool
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11:14 < marklar|omni> heh
11:14 < marklar|omni> heh
11:14 < marklar|omni> go on, stick your junk in an apple
11:14 < marklar|omni> steve jobs will charge you extra for it
11:14 < marklar|omni> "failbook pro, now with iAnus"
11:15 < Macen> let him, if he needs capital to catch up with the M$ monster so be it
11:15 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: partial reply to a codemonkey here
11:15 < marklar|omni> "I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to achieve, but I'm certain that you can do it with CSS styles and by writing valid HTML."
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11:15 < marklar|omni> fragment from their html:
11:15 < marklar|omni> <td bordercolor='white' bordercolorlight='white' bordercolordark='white'>
11:15 < marklar|omni> WTF IS THAT.
11:16 < Macen> lol
11:16 < Macen> border:3px ridge red; or smthn 
11:17 < MikeSeth> ...
11:17 < MikeSeth> HTML 0.9!!
11:17 < marklar|omni> bleh
11:17 < MerlinDMC> marklar|omni, i think netscape had more than one bordercolor ... but not sure
11:17 < marklar|omni> stupid fucking idiots.
11:17 < marklar|omni> MerlinDMC: NETSCAPE HAS BEEN DEAD FOR YEARS
11:17 < marklar|omni> I DONT CARE WHAT IT HAD
11:17 < marklar|omni> &*@*$&
11:17 < MerlinDMC> marklar|omni, i know ;)
11:18 < MerlinDMC> we have two customers using netscape 4.x :)
11:18 < Whisller> O.o
11:18 < MerlinDMC> dunno why
11:18 < Macen> beat them with a stick
11:18 < marklar|omni> do you sell time machines?
11:18 < Macen> LOL
11:18 < marklar|omni> no, srsly.
11:18 < Macen> can i have one? ;p
11:18 < marklar|omni> netscape 4?
11:18 < marklar|omni> that's from 98
11:18 < MerlinDMC> i know ... and yes ... netscape 4
11:18 < Macen> it is over a decade old
11:19 < MikeSeth> http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3568566,00.html
11:19 < MikeSeth> mark
11:19 < MikeSeth> comment #72
11:19 < MikeSeth> I'm an epic troll :>
11:19 < Macen> was html1.1 even out in '98?
11:19 < Macen> i'm intrigued by the netscape users (note: plural)
11:20  * MikeSeth is listening to Manowar
11:22 < Macen> also random fact of the day, IE6 is over half a decade old
11:22 < Macen> not sure when it was depreciated (or if it is??) though 
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11:24 < v-dogg> MikeSeth, impl & and other emacs lovers - emacs or xemacs?
11:24 < MikeSeth> emacsa
11:24 < MikeSeth> er
11:24 < MikeSeth> emacs
11:25 < v-dogg> let's see how it works with my eee pc :)
11:25 < MikeSeth> awesomely
11:25 < MikeSeth> you installed lunix on it?
11:25 < v-dogg> it ships with lunix
11:25 < MikeSeth> oh winnar
11:25 < MikeSeth> then if i may so suggest, remap caps lock to left ctrl
11:25 < MikeSeth> ;>
11:26  * Macen rolleyes
11:26 < Macen> right, work to do :>
11:29 < impl> marklar|omni: urrite 100%
11:29 < marklar|omni> kthx<3
11:29 < marklar|omni> haha
11:29 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: vote up for "full"
11:29 < marklar|omni> +voted
11:31 < impl> Wombert: poek
11:35 < Whisller> brb
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11:37 < Whisller> question
11:38 < Whisller> How from console svn display information about conflicts?
11:38 < Whisller> and how after it I can resolve those :>
11:39 < marklar|omni> answer: rtfm
11:39 < marklar|omni> :<
11:39 < Whisller> ;p
11:39 < Whisller> thanks a lot :P
11:39 < Wombert> ya impl :>
11:39 < marklar|omni> kek
11:39 < marklar|omni> svn status
11:40 < marklar|omni> Whisller: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch03s05.html
11:40 < marklar|omni> plz2read, kthx
11:42 < Whisller> thanks
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11:47 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: any good resources for an emacs newbie?
11:48 < impl> C-h t
11:48 < impl> (ctrl+h t)
11:50 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: 
11:50 < marklar|omni> oh nm
11:50 < marklar|omni> I can get it from easynews
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12:08 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: 
12:08 < marklar|omni> great win
12:08 < marklar|omni> http://news.walla.co.il/?w=//1314305
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12:23 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: I never realized the state sponsored such things in first place
12:23 < MikeSeth> god this country is fucked up
12:26 < marklar|omni> yeah
12:26  * marklar|omni is pondering going home
12:30 < MikeSeth> if you want my permission go ahead
12:31 < Whisller> ehh eclipse has merging to trunk for 20 minutes, it isn't normal ; p
12:38 < digitarald> use git-svn ;)
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12:42 < Whisller> heh
12:53 < MikeSeth> 12:45 -!- kniolet [n=katrina@dialbs-213-023-007-034.static.arcor-ip.net] has joined #phpc
12:53 < MikeSeth> 12:47 <Dynom> kniolet; O HAI
12:53 < MikeSeth> 12:48 <kniolet> hai Dynom!!1 howru?
12:53 < MikeSeth> 12:49 <MikeSeth> are lies
12:53 < MikeSeth> 12:49 <@Derick> my CPU is not happy
12:54 < MikeSeth> 12:49 <Dynom> ~~IR SUPER, KEKEK, I can has lemonade?
12:54 < MikeSeth> ITS SPREADING
12:54 < marklar|omni> heh
12:54 < marklar|omni> I got french people writing lolcode comments
12:54 < marklar|omni> I win
12:54 < marklar|omni> s/lolcode/lolspeak/
12:54 < MikeSeth> african american i beg you
12:54 < MikeSeth> naturals don't count
12:55 < marklar|omni> kek
12:56 < marklar|omni> I bet I could write 100 comments
13:20 < marklar|omni> mh
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13:34 < Whisller> hmm strange, on small test's svn this plugin works good. 
13:35 < rick111> MikeSeth http://www.massively.com/2008/07/15/goon-world-organized-crime-online-brings-a-new-genre-to-mmos/#comments
13:36 < rick111> going to lunch brb
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14:47 < Whisller> When I'm mergin from branch back into trunk, can I do something like that svn merge -r HEAD:HEAD http://url_to_my_branch? If latest commit is mine?
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14:52 < MikeSeth> dunno I usually svn diff into the work copy and then commit it 
14:58 < Wombert> no Whisller 
14:58 < Wombert> you merge a branch that is in sync with trunk by applying their difference
14:58 < Wombert> go to trunk
14:58 < Wombert> svn merge .../trunk@REV .../branches/lala@REV
14:59 < Wombert> -r foo:bar won't work
14:59 < Wombert> and
14:59 < Wombert> this is all in the manual
14:59 < Wombert> ...
15:00 < Wombert> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.branchmerge.commonuses.html#svn.branchmerge.commonuses.patterns.feature
15:02 < Whisller> Ok. I must read it, because I have no idea but plugin for eclipse doesn't work on mac for my svn. I checked it for small svn repository and then works, heh
15:02 < Whisller> But with production version doesn't 
15:03 < Whisller> Svn really doesn't like
15:03 < Whisller> me
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15:30 < Wombert> I think its just a matter of reading the manual properly...
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15:37 < Wombert> hello
15:37 < Wombert> test
15:37 < Wombert> oh dude
15:37 < Wombert> what an ugly styöe
15:38 < impl> http://irssi.org/themes
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15:41 < Wombert> ohai
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15:47 < Wombert> test
15:47 < Wombert> humm
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16:02 < CIA-5> david * r2614 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviExecutionTimeFilter.class.php): Fix #801: AgaviExecutionTimeFilter runs only once
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16:26 < marklar|omni> i haz new vps
16:26 < marklar|omni> fgj
16:28 < v-dogg> Wombert trying out irssi?
16:28 < impl> No
16:28 < impl> He is/was playing with colloquy styles
16:28 < v-dogg> ah
16:28 < impl> but the irssi themes are so much better
16:29 < impl> :>>
16:29 < marklar|omni> wow, fast
16:29 < marklar|omni> feels like a real box
16:30 < Wombert> alrite kek
16:30 < Wombert> dinnars
16:30 < Wombert> laetr
16:30 < marklar|omni> bai
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16:55 < _trophaeum> marklar|omni, 45/mo for dedicateds from volumedrive.com XD
16:55 < _trophaeum> (good network too)
16:56 < Macen> heh
16:56 < Macen> MikeSeth: our radio says you got 5 live soldiers back in the deal as well as the 2 dead ones
16:57 < Macen> but then they had women and children crying saying "it's not faiiirrrr"
16:57 < Macen> heh
16:57 < marklar|omni> _trophaeum: don't want dedicated
16:57 < marklar|omni> _trophaeum: I specifically need a vps 
16:57 < Macen> "the Isreali's weren't sure if the 2 dead soldiers would be alive" <--possibly the best quote of the day
16:58 < marklar|omni> and I pay $15/mo for two of them :<
16:58 < marklar|omni> hahaha
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17:04 < _trophaeum> marklar|omni, hahaha, kk
17:08 < marklar|omni> the haha was @ macen's quote :<
17:08 < marklar|omni> "plz wait while windows sets you up the bomb"
17:08  * marklar|omni is install w2k8 server
17:08 < marklar|omni> +ing
17:08  * Macen points and laughs
17:08 < marklar|omni> :<
17:08 < marklar|omni> it's in vmware~
17:08 < Macen> i've never used it tbh
17:09 < Macen> far too expensive for me
17:09 < marklar|omni> $15/mo for easynews
17:09 < marklar|omni> :|
17:09 < Macen> MSSQL databases, i mean
17:10 < Macen> dunno how much the OS is
17:10 < marklar|omni> about $600
17:10 < marklar|omni> usd
17:10 < Macen> $600 too much
17:10 < marklar|omni> that's like, 5eu
17:10 < marklar|omni> hehe
17:10 < Macen> i hear it's all GUI
17:10 < marklar|omni> I hear it's nice as a workstation 
17:10 < marklar|omni> when you turn off the fail
17:11 < Macen> oh rly
17:11 < marklar|omni> that's why I'm checking it out
17:11 < Macen> ya
17:11 < Macen> it will be fail
17:11 < marklar|omni> prolly
17:11 < marklar|omni> postgresql maestro ftw
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17:22 < Macen> failfailfail
17:22 < Macen> Zend has crashed 3 times today
17:22 < Macen> brb
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17:26 < marklar|omni> activation is winnar
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18:14 < Whisller> re
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18:30 < Whisller> http://images.wikia.com/nonsensopedia/images/thumb/1/19/Emo-bullshit.jpg/480px-Emo-bullshit.jpg
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18:45 < marklar|omni> wow
18:45 < marklar|omni> this headset pwns
18:45 < marklar|omni> srsly.
18:45 < marklar|omni> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/notebook_products/pc_headsets/devices/223&cl=us,en
18:47 < _cheerios> POOL'S CLOSED *g*
18:47 < marklar|omni> hehe
18:50 < marklar|omni> fuck, last.fm is awesome.
18:55 < Whisller> did you saw new beta version of its page?
18:55 < Whisller> their
18:55 < Wombert> impl has the same, marklar|omni 
18:55 < Wombert> its retarded
18:56 < impl> it's not retarded
18:56 < Wombert> he looks like mr spaceship commander
18:56 < impl> it just makes me look retarded
18:56 < Wombert> and it looks like a bt earpiece with a headset attached to it
18:58 < marklar|omni> haha
18:58 < marklar|omni> yah
18:58 < marklar|omni> the comments I got at work 
18:58 < marklar|omni> were like
18:58 < marklar|omni> "are you an air traffic controller
18:59 < marklar|omni> ... for spaceships?"
18:59 < marklar|omni> mostly because I have the msft natural keyboard
18:59 < marklar|omni> :\
19:00 < marklar|omni> blah
19:01 < marklar|omni> why isn't anyone maintaining PEAR::Cache
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19:07 < brasileiro__> o/
19:11 < marklar|omni> hai
19:15 < Whisller> v-dogg: Thanks for information about matchedRoutes attribute.
19:29 < marklar|omni> hai
19:29 < marklar|omni> er
20:07 < marklar|omni> wow
20:07 < marklar|omni> fuck
20:07 < marklar|omni> this vps runs pgsql nicely
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20:13 < Macen> deadlines are fail
20:13 < Macen> baii
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21:14 < Wombert> nn
21:14 < Wombert> or rather
21:14 < Wombert> hoem tiem
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21:20 < Whisller> is someone :>
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21:54 < Whisller> Wombert: Is possible get information about which render was used in request?
22:00 < Whisller> Good night guys :)
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22:40 < tc77> hi everybody
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05:51 < v-dogg> huomenta
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05:54 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
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06:08 < _cheerios> huomenta
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06:12 < marklar|omni> ohai
06:12 < Whisller> hi
06:12 < marklar|omni> sup
06:12 < Whisller> at work, I'm hungry ;p
06:12 < marklar|omni> at work too, reading reddit
06:13 < Whisller> :)
06:15 < Whisller> Btw two days ago I started to write a DebugToolbar for Agavi.
06:24 < marklar|omni> expand plz
06:28 < Whisller> Something like http://www.symfony-project.org/book/1_1/16-Application-Management-Tools#Web Debug Toolbar , I almost finished get information about matched rotues, and request parameters. Nothing special, but I often using symfony tolbar at work.
06:29 < Whisller> But tolbar which I'm writing is using only filter - right now.
06:29 < Whisller> It is a filter ;)
06:31 < v-dogg> Whisller: 'matchedRoutes' is deprecated, use 'matched_routes'
06:32 < v-dogg> and about renderers; did you look at extending execution(container|filter) ?
06:32 < Whisller> I saw it, but I thought that matched_routes is deprecated :D
06:33 < v-dogg> no, the other way around :)
06:33 < Whisller> Not yet. 
06:35 < Whisller> But it should be really simply, which everyone can add to his Agavi in couple of minutes. Btw, is possible to get access to $filters variable from filter?
06:35 < Whisller> it is in agavicontroller
06:37 < Whisller> Next step which I can check, is display active slots etc.
06:48 < Whisller> v-dogg: but thanks for hint, I will see how works those classes
06:49 < Whisller> *this
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06:54 < marklar|omni> ohai
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07:53 < impl> hai
07:54 < MikeSeth> huomenta
07:58 < marklar|omni> lolez
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08:37 < MikeSeth> om
08:37 < MikeSeth> nom
08:37 < MikeSeth> nom nom nom
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09:21 < Wombert> omnom
09:21 < impl> NOMMMM
09:23 < marklar|omni> ohailol
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09:39 < shrink0r> huomenta
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10:13 < v-dogg> can emacs do code completion?
10:14 < impl> emacs can do everything
10:15 < v-dogg> :p
10:17 < MikeSeth_> damn right
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10:17 < Wombert> someone who knows emacs very well told me the other day that php mode was crap because it was just tacked on top of c mode, which itself sucks ass, and as a result, php mode never really does what it's supposed to do
10:17 < Wombert> :>
10:17 < MikeSeth> I even have a ctags target in my build files :>
10:17 < MikeSeth> Wombert: PHP mode is basically syntax highlighting, there's nothing otherwise significant about it
10:17 < Wombert> lies lies lies
10:18 < MikeSeth> it has some feats like function completion and hotlink to manual (find-function-at-symbol et al)
10:18 < MikeSeth> but its shit
10:18 < Wombert> I saw impl simply pressing return and then the indent was all fucked up
10:18 < MikeSeth> that's because the indent isn't configured correctly
10:18 < MikeSeth> see c-indent-mode, tab-width etc
10:18  * Wombert shudders
10:18 < Wombert> nono dis is all crap
10:18 < Wombert> :>>>>
10:18  * Wombert pets
10:18 < v-dogg> haha
10:19 < v-dogg> how many different modes do you need with emacs?
10:19 < MikeSeth> also C mode supports various coding styles (e.g. GNU, K&R, BSD etc) and you have to set the one that you like
10:19 < v-dogg> kazillion?
10:19 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: there's mode for everything
10:19 < Wombert> look
10:19 < Wombert> here is the deal
10:20 < Wombert> I'm not touching emacs because it would, in a sense, mean I'm touching stallman
10:20 < Wombert> and that's a no-no
10:20 < MikeSeth> stallman doesn't maintain emacs anymore
10:21 < v-dogg> alphabet-mode, alphanumeric-mode, uppercase-mode, tab-mode...
10:21 < Wombert> he invented it, that's nuff of a reason
10:21 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: no, not really. There are minor and major modes. Major modes are for special content types, and minor modes are editing tweaks
10:22 < impl> MikeSeth: my indentation stuff is set up, php-mode is just shitty
10:24 < v-dogg> I want an editor which can auto-complete php functions AND my classes & functions
10:24 < v-dogg> or, if I have to choose, only my functions
10:25 < Wombert> AHA
10:25 < Wombert> EMACS IS SHITTY THEN
10:25 < Wombert> KEKE
10:26 < Wombert> v-dogg: eclipse
10:26 < Wombert> :>
10:26 < MikeSeth> impl: works for me, you must be doing something wrong sir ;>
10:26 < Wombert> lunch
10:26  * Wombert omnomnom
10:26 < v-dogg> Wombert: yeah, that's what I use
10:26 < v-dogg> but my eee pc can't handle it :)
10:27 < nfq> yo Wombert 
10:27 < v-dogg> not with its 512 MB of RAM :)
10:27 < Whisller> eclipse rule
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10:28 < dra> s
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11:08 < impl> MikeSeth: yeah, probably :P
11:11 < marklar|omni> heh
11:11 < marklar|omni> zend is nice
11:11 < marklar|omni> relatively.
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11:16 < MerlinDMC> Zend Studio for Eclipse (and the whole eclipse RemoteSystemExplorer) does not work well with ftp servers running on windows ... i can't create a remote project to work on our cms :/ ... with sftp it works well but that doesn't help here :P
11:19 < siugnas> Sorry I do not use zend, and its ftp
11:20 < marklar|omni> who the hell uses ftp
11:20 < marklar|omni> are you from the past?
11:21 < siugnas> why?
11:23 < Wombert> ftp
11:23  * Wombert blinks
11:28 < marklar|omni> siugnas: um, because... technology has stepped forward.
11:30 < impl> FTP is such a fail protocol
11:33 < marklar|omni> failed transfer protocol~
11:33 < marklar|omni> kekek
11:34 < impl> lawl
11:34 < marklar|omni> MerlinDMC: if you're running windows servers, can't you just mount a share over smb/cifs?
11:34 < marklar|omni> why run ftp
11:35 < Wombert> ftp is bad on a scale similar to aids'
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11:36 < siugnas> huh
11:36 < MerlinDM> marklar|omni, i use ftp at work because i have to
11:36 < MerlinDM> "are you from the past?" you remember the Netscape 4.x customer? ;)
11:36 < marklar|omni> then your employer is an idiot
11:36 < marklar|omni> quit
11:37 < marklar|omni> :<
11:37 < MerlinDM> marklar|omni, thats on my todo-list ...
11:37 < siugnas> http://www.primechoice.com/philosophy/shelp/sdattraction.htm
11:37 < MerlinDM> but i have to get some money first ;)
11:40 < impl> siugnas: wat
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11:45 < MikeSeth> who's v12
11:47 < impl> v12?
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11:54 < MikeSeth> this guy
11:55 < Wombert> some...canadian...guy
11:55 < Wombert> .seen v12
11:55 < um> Wombert: I have not seen v12.
11:55 < Wombert> you suck, um
11:57 < impl> O CANADAA
11:59 < marklar|omni> wtf die
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12:01 < Wombert> colors eh?
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12:02 < impl> Canada colors
12:02 < impl> courtesy of the great irssi script gay.pl
12:02 < v-dogg> haha
12:03 < v-dogg> you're so gay :)
12:04 < impl> D:
12:04 < ttj> Fancy a fag?
12:05 < impl> don't tempt me :D
12:07 < MikeSeth> hahahahaha
12:07 < MikeSeth> gay.pl
12:07 < MikeSeth> impl, you're old school
12:17 < impl> othx
12:19 < Wombert> oldsql for using irc clors? laem tiem I'd say
12:20 < impl>  _ _     _                                  
12:20 < impl> (_) |_  (_)___   _ __ ___   ___   __ _ _ __ 
12:20 < impl> | | __| | / __| | '_ ` _ \ / _ \ / _` | '__|
12:20 < impl> | | |_  | \__ \ | | | | | | (_) | (_| | |   
12:20 < impl> |_|\__| |_|___/ |_| |_| |_|\___/ \__,_|_|   
12:20 < impl>                                             
12:20 < impl>                                __       _ 
12:20 < impl>  _ __   _____      _____ _ __ / _|_   _| |
12:20 < impl> | '_ \ / _ \ \ /\ / / _ \ '__| |_| | | | |
12:20 < impl> | |_) | (_) \ V  V /  __/ |  |  _| |_| | |
12:20 < impl> | .__/ \___/ \_/\_/ \___|_|  |_|  \__,_|_|
12:21 < impl> |_|                                       
12:21 < impl> :X
12:21 < marklar|omni> zomg dieplz
12:21 < impl> kekeke
12:23 < v-dogg> uh... 
12:24 < impl> It works better when you have can_flood
12:24 < Wombert> heh /canhas canflood trues
12:25 < ttj> Oh for the love of good... Not this figlet bullshit in #agavi too? :O
12:25 < ttj> s/good/god/
12:25 < impl> ttj: I can also do cowsay
12:25 < ttj> Please don't. :O
12:25 < impl> -f sodomized
12:25 < impl> :D
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12:58 < MikeSeth> om 
12:58 < MikeSeth> nom
12:58 < MikeSeth> NOM
12:58 < MikeSeth> NOM
12:58 < MikeSeth> how do I buzzed irc
13:00 < rick111> MikeSeth /join #ryan,0
13:01 < MikeSeth> rick111: no.
13:01 < MikeSeth> you think I am that noob?
13:01 < rick111> lol
13:01 < MikeSeth> I know RFC1459 by heart
13:01 < rick111> alex_c got me
13:01 < rick111> it was funneh
13:01 < impl> what about RFCs 2810 through 2813
13:02 < MikeSeth> rick111: 1459 was still valid when I last played with IRC as developer
13:02 < ttj> 1149 <3
13:03 < MikeSeth> besides
13:03 < MikeSeth> I used to crash people in HUNDREDS using ctcp exploits
13:03 < marklar|omni> heh
13:03 < marklar|omni> bai
13:03 < MikeSeth> come on, #foo,0?
13:03  * marklar|omni -> tiberias
13:03 < rick111> you naughty :/
13:03 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: NIGGOR
13:03 < marklar|omni> o/
13:03  * MikeSeth pets marklar|omni 
13:03 < marklar|omni> see you mondayz
13:03 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: clan tf2 raep tonite
13:03 < MikeSeth> kthx
13:03 < marklar|omni> I haz birthday on saturday
13:03 < marklar|omni> ya
13:03 < MikeSeth> Wombert: clanraep
13:03 < marklar|omni> 2000 or so?
13:03 < MikeSeth> impl: clanraep
13:03 < MikeSeth> idk
13:03 < MikeSeth> prolly ya
13:03 < impl> clanraep?
13:03 < impl> then I would have to leik
13:03 < marklar|omni> k ping me on teh steam
13:03 < impl> buy the game
13:03 < MikeSeth> impl: wut
13:03 < Wombert> wat
13:04 < marklar|omni> buy it you cheap nigger
13:04 < marklar|omni> it's only $20 usd
13:04 < marklar|omni> which is, what, 3eu?
13:04 < marklar|omni> :<
13:04 < marklar|omni> bai
13:04 < impl> :((
13:04  * marklar|omni &
13:04 < MikeSeth> kekekekeke
13:29 < Wombert> do not want
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14:02 < siugnas> is there on page list of applications based on our framework? Some interesting apps, pages etc :>
14:04 < siugnas> I see only showCase in wiki
14:08 < MikeSeth> siugnas: im working on one and a tutorial right now
14:09 < siugnas> Tutorial about what?
14:09 < MikeSeth> about writing applications with Agavi
14:10 < siugnas> could you be more precise :)
14:11 < MikeSeth> yes, I am writing a five or so chapter tutorial which covers use of most Agavi facilities
14:11 < MikeSeth> it tracks the development of a blog engine from a simple application to a complete one
14:14 < MikeSeth> oh lawd
14:14 < siugnas> Nice :) Do you have something that you can show?
14:15 < Wombert> it's all gonna be finished eventually
14:15 < Wombert> and then it'll be published
14:15 < Wombert> be patient :)
14:16 < siugnas> Hehe patient is the key to happines ;)
14:17 < rick111> MikeSeth I think you should put together a paragraph about the benefits and features of agavi. I'll throw it on my site
14:17 < siugnas> *ss
14:18 < MikeSeth> rick111: NYPA
14:19 < rick111> wtf
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14:19 < rick111> does that mean
14:20 < Flukey> huomenta
14:22 < MikeSeth> rick111: hehehehehe
14:22 < MikeSeth> someone bring me Macen
14:22 < MikeSeth> I need to have a word with him
14:23 < rick111> ..
14:26 < Wombert> why, MikeSeth 
14:26 < impl> BRRRRAIINNS
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14:33 < rick111> wadda'ya say MikeSeth?
14:34 < MikeSeth> Wombert: cuz he mentioned that his radio said we got 5 soldiers back alive in the swap deal
14:34 < MikeSeth> I want to know which radio said that and when
14:34 < Wombert> he confused it
14:35 < Wombert> the lebanese got five people back
14:35 < Wombert> right?
14:36 < MikeSeth> six
14:36 < MikeSeth> Samir Kuntar (murderer of six including a 4 year old girl) and another five
14:36 < Wombert> did mossad assasinate him yet
14:37 < impl> Lebanon! \o/
14:37 < MikeSeth> no
14:37 < Wombert> they should
14:37 < MikeSeth> but I expect them to do him and Nasrallah soon
14:37 < Wombert> nasrallah is a fucker
14:37 < Wombert> well, they'll have to wait for him (kuntar) to do something bad again
14:38 < Wombert> then they can just rid him without... "uuuh israelis broke the agreement" blah
14:38 < Wombert> but
14:38  * v-dogg checks what channel he is on
14:38 < Wombert> yeah
14:38 < impl> v-dogg: shh, as soon as Wombert gets bored he'll make me reinstall systems
14:38 < Wombert> bad luck for your country man
14:38 < v-dogg> haha
14:38 < Wombert> your country is prone to blackmail nau
14:39 < Wombert> next one in line will be... mh... iran like "I HAZ NUKEZ KAY GIMME DOLLARZ LOL BAI"
14:39 < Wombert> :>>>
14:40 < MikeSeth> well
14:40 < MikeSeth> actually
14:40 < MikeSeth> if anything, the result of this would be even harsher response to kidnappings
14:41 < MikeSeth> Kuntar is a dead man
14:41 < MikeSeth> I heard things from friends in milint
14:41 < MikeSeth> ;>
14:42 < Wombert> lolo
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14:47 < v-dogg> it's a sick world we live in...
14:52 < MikeSeth> yes
14:52 < MikeSeth> the gene pool needs a cleaning man
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14:57 < impl> INTERFAIL
14:58 < Wombert_> ohre
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15:55 < _cheerios> marklar: what was that vps place in britain you recommended, that place by.. sean?
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16:04 < rick111> MikeSeth http://ryanpartington.com/fish/article/best_template.html
16:04 < rick111> or anyone else
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16:43 < siugnas> hi
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17:09 < Macen> hmm
17:09 < Macen> i need ice-cream 
17:27 < marklar|omni> ohai2u
17:28 < marklar|omni> Wombert: poek
17:32 < Wombert> wat marklar|omni 
17:32 < marklar|omni> nm
17:32 < marklar|omni> sounded good in my head until I typed it out :<
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18:01 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: poek
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18:56 < andresj> hello. I just install agavi using PEAR, but I don't know where to find samples/pub/index.php as in the guide
18:59 < marklar|omni> it's not included in the pear
18:59 < marklar|omni> download the tarball from the site or checkout from svn
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19:02 < andresj> marklar|omni: oh ok thanks :)
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19:02 < shrink0r> hai
19:04 < marklar|omni> andresj: np
19:04 < marklar|omni> hai2u shrink0r 
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19:06 < marklar|omni> gah
19:06 < marklar|omni> stupid fucking dell.
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19:15 < andresj> is there a way to tell `agavi project` to `chmod g+w app/cache; chown $(whoami):www-data;` instead of `chmod a+w app/cache`?
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20:19 < v-dogg> andresj: no, I don't think so (actually I'm pretty sure not)
20:19 < andresj> allright v-dogg thanks :)
20:21 < siugnas> I should go to sleep, tomorrow to work 
20:23 < impl> Wombert: poek
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20:32 < Wombert> hai impl 
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22:04 < Macen> marklar|omni: sounded good in my head until I ty<---lool
22:04 < Macen> :D
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01:58 < andresj> what IDE do you recommend for Agavi?
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05:03 < marklar|omni> guuuuuuuuuuuuurgh
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05:18 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:18 < marklar|omni> sup 
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06:47 < Whisller> hi
06:48 < v-dogg> I'm sure you mean HUOMENTA, don't you?-)
06:50 < Whisller> Yes, I do :)
06:50 < Whisller> btw yesterday I almost finished get all information about router
06:50 < Whisller> And request
06:50 < Whisller> Also small information about view
06:50 < Whisller> *couple 
06:51 < Whisller> brb
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06:53 < Whisller> btw is here someone who knows xhtml?
06:53 < Whisller> ;)
06:53 < Whisller> *know
06:56 < v-dogg> more or less all of us, I'd believe :)
06:58 < _cheerios> huomenta scalawags!
07:00 < Whisller> True. I need your help. Because I'm use xhtml only when I must integrate my app with prepared xhtml. So is someone who can make a simple ( I think ) code for this small DebuggToolbar?
07:05 < v-dogg> <div id="agavi_debugtoolbar"><div id="adt_routes"><h1>Matched Routes</h1><ul><li> ... </div><div id="adt_actions"> ...
07:05 < v-dogg> does it need more than that?
07:06 < Whisller> but css ;p
07:06 < v-dogg> why did you ask about xhtml then :)
07:06 < Whisller> now it looks horribe http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1lq8.png
07:06 < Whisller> hmm what I can do with xhtml without css?
07:07 < v-dogg> that was xhtml right there ^ 
07:07 < v-dogg> well, anyways
07:08 < v-dogg> can you paste the source for me. I can whip up a simple stylesheet for it
07:08 < v-dogg> the html source of a full page
07:09 < Whisller> ok but please don't scream ;)
07:11 < Whisller> wait a while
07:12 < v-dogg> no hurry
07:16 < Whisller> ok on priv
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07:52 < Macen> mmh
07:52 < Macen> had a bit of a fight with my door....
07:52  * Macen gets pics
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08:02 < Macen> http://temp.youds.com/18072008091.jpg
08:03 < Macen> heh
08:03 < Macen> i knew they'd adjusted it..
08:04 < _cheerios> not paying the bills, landlord locked you out?
08:04 < Macen> i opened the door and it just spat out loads of gunk heh
08:05 < Macen> then when it closed, that door closer thing was jolting like a horse on speed
08:05 < Macen> so it came off it's hinges
08:05 < Macen> there's this little metal thing that hit the wall and fell on the floor
08:06 < Macen> i'm guessing that shouldn't of happened...
08:08 < Rozza> Huomenta
08:13 < _cheerios> lo rozza!
08:15 < Wombert> rozza!
08:16 < Wombert> shouldn't of eh
08:16 < Wombert> well, british engineering
08:16 < Wombert> that's why you guys don't make cars anymore
08:18 < marklar|omni> lol
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08:31 < v-dogg> the new build system is awesome
08:31 < Wombert> really?
08:31 < Wombert> <:
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12:11 < rick111> MANIC IN HERE TODAY
12:16 < impl> wat
12:29  * v-dogg smacks kaos
12:29 < v-dogg> $routeInfo['opt']['childs']
12:30 < v-dogg> what would your English teacher say... :)
12:48 < Wombert> yeah :p
12:48 < impl> lawl
12:51 < Whisller> rotfl now I see it :D earlier in comment I wrote "Get information about route childs" heh
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14:06 < Macen> door will need a new closer thing lol
14:06 < Macen> and painter is booked 
14:06 < Macen> rofl
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15:35 < marklar|omni> ohai2u
15:38 < marklar|omni> xp sp3 reinstalled on teh lappy
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15:56 < rick111> RE - installed, why?
16:00 < marklar|omni> because it was starting to fail
16:00 < marklar|omni> any recs for win32 cd/dvd burning software?
16:00 < marklar|omni> except nero
16:00 < rick111> ;(
16:00 < rick111> are you telling the truth?
16:01 < marklar|omni> um yes
16:02 < rick111> humm
16:12 < marklar|omni> well,
16:12 < marklar|omni> any suggestions?
16:13 < marklar|omni> imgburn it is
16:15 < rick111> why not nero?
16:15 < rick111> nero r0x0r the b0x0r
16:16 < marklar|omni> um
16:16 < marklar|omni> except it's over a gig of shit
16:16 < marklar|omni> just to burn stuff
16:16 < marklar|omni> fuck that
16:17 < marklar|omni> and it insists on installing random crap like scout
16:17 < marklar|omni> and the "ask toolbar"
16:17 < marklar|omni> and shit
16:17 < rick111> you just do
16:17 < rick111> a custom install, and put burning rom on
16:17 < rick111> THE END
16:17 < rick111> KTHXBYE
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16:20 < marklar|omni> um no
16:20 < marklar|omni> I'm not installing nero shittyrom
16:20 < marklar|omni> kthx
16:21 < kaos|work_> marklar|omni: http://tinyurl.com/pkefc
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16:23 < marklar|omni> no
16:23 < marklar|omni> I recognize that link w/o clicking
16:23 < marklar|omni> and fuck you, steve jobs
16:23 < marklar|omni> :<
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16:38 < kaos|work_> well, wombert is having a beer or two ... so someone has to hold the apple lantern high ;p
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16:39  * marklar|omni stabs kaos
16:39 < marklar|omni> oh, I think wombert said you have teh logitech notebook premium headphonez
16:40 < kaos|work_> stab Wombert  ... he is having a beer while letting me earn the money
16:40 < kaos|work_> eh, no, that was impl
16:40 < marklar|omni> oic
16:40 < marklar|omni> rite
16:40 < _cheerios> :)
16:40 < kaos|work_> i have premium sennheisser headphones ;)
16:40 < marklar|omni> I'm really happy w/mine
16:40 < marklar|omni> ya I haz sennheiserz too
16:40 < marklar|omni> cx-300 somethingorother
16:40 < kaos|work_> but i'm going to buy hd25
16:40 < marklar|omni> link
16:41 < kaos|work_> http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD25-Circumaural-Closed-Headphones/dp/B00023J592/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1216399259&sr=8-3
16:41 < kaos|work_> these are dj headphones tho
16:41 < marklar|omni> ew
16:41 < marklar|omni> do not want
16:41 < kaos|work_> my current ones are hifi ones
16:42 < marklar|omni> cheap though
16:42 < kaos|work_> well, i wonder why they only cost 200 bucks
16:42 < kaos|work_> since they cost 200 euros
16:42 < kaos|work_> in yurop
16:42 < marklar|omni> what's the price on amazon.co.uk
16:43 < kaos|work_> 120 pound
16:43 < Wombert> 150 eurs dat is
16:43 < Wombert> or so
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16:49 < marklar|omni> mkeh
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16:49 < marklar|omni> does macos support TWO-button mice now?
16:52 < Wombert> pff
16:53 < impl> yes, but it only has one button
16:53 < impl> so you can't click in the middle, because then the results are undefined
16:55 < marklar|omni> hahaha
16:55 < marklar|omni> my logitech haz 8 buttonz
16:55 < marklar|omni> oh wait, macos probably requires a $299.99 special driver upgrade
16:55 < marklar|omni> per button
16:57 < kaos|work_> but you don't have to recompile your kernel for every button
16:57 < sikkle> not realy
16:59 < saracen> Does agavi have some sort of built in wsdl parser/client?
16:59 < marklar|omni> you can easily build one
16:59 < marklar|omni> :<
16:59 < marklar|omni> any docs on running actions from teh cmdline?
17:01 < Wombert> client, saracen?
17:01 < Wombert> php has one
17:02 < saracen> natively?
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17:05 < saracen> nm, impl linked me up. =(
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17:37 < pookey> erisco: !
17:37 < pookey> ermmm....
17:37 < pookey> E_mE: !
17:40 < erisco> pookey, hey
17:40 < pookey>  I pinged the wrong person, but.. hi :D
17:47 < erisco> has anyone seen this? http://www.outlet-orm.org/site/
17:47 < erisco> its very incomplete, but I totally am digging the "clean entity" thing
17:48  * erisco is still looking for THE orm solution
17:52 < erisco> I do not like the proxies...
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18:21 < marklar|omni> heh
18:21 < marklar|omni> sadtrombone.com
18:21 < marklar|omni> ftw
18:23 < _cheerios> did you make a penny on that? ;)
18:25 < marklar|omni> nah, not mine
18:25 < marklar|omni> also instantrimshot.com
18:26 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6347/1/
18:37 < marklar|omni> outlet orm agavi adapter? y/n
18:39 < erisco> marklar|omni, I would vote no, as it isn't production quality
18:39 < erisco> marklar|omni, I don't see as much as support for many to many relationships
18:40 < erisco> marklar|omni, I just liked the concept
18:40 < marklar|omni> I didn't mean, right now
18:40 < marklar|omni> in ~3mo
18:42 < marklar|omni> Wombert: poek
18:43 < erisco> marklar|omni, I do not know what the activity on outlet is like...  I believe it is only one developer. IN 3 months it may still be unready
18:45 < marklar|omni> meh
18:45 < marklar|omni> I'm bored and I want to code :D
18:45 < erisco> marklar|omni, well add it then. see if anyone likes it... Mr. Carrasco would probably appreciate it
18:45 < marklar|omni> hehe
18:47 < erisco> marklar|omni, browsing through the source I don't know how reliable its going to be... swaths of code are commented out here and there
18:47 < erisco> and there does not seem to be any useful comments
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18:48 < shrink0r> huomenta
18:48 < shrink0r> does agaviRouting use an environment variable to figute out the port to use when generating urls?
18:48 < shrink0r> *figure
18:49 < erisco> marklar|omni, I don't know if you'd know, but I read about a new build system and template variable config changes...
18:50 < erisco> marklar|omni, when are these going to be added? do things like that end up with corresponding tickets?
18:50 < erisco> marklar|omni, it was in the mailing list
18:51 < marklar|omni> it was merged to trunk I think
18:51 < marklar|omni> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/trunk/src/build
18:52 < erisco> ah okay.
18:53 < erisco> outlet's entities are a great idea, I think... I don't agree with the generation of proxy objects. To me it defeats the purpose... what's the problem with pulling in another object to work with the entities?
18:53 < erisco> why is it that, in all these orms, everything has to be capable from all objects
18:54 < marklar|omni> um 
18:54 < marklar|omni> have you worked with Java-style orms?
18:54 < erisco> no, and I wish I had the opportunity to... but why?
18:55 < marklar|omni> you should :D
18:55 < erisco> marklar|omni, the entity concept I believe carrasco said he took from some java orm
18:56 < erisco> if they are so excellent what is stopping people from replicating them in php? we should have dozens by now
18:57 < marklar|omni> agavi is basically a straight j2ee concept port
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18:58 < erisco> marklar|omni, I thought it was influenced by mojavi
18:59 < marklar|omni> no conflict there
18:59 < marklar|omni> http://www.orionserver.com/faq/category.jsp?id=7
18:59 < v-dogg> erisco: it is based on mojavi 
19:00 < v-dogg> m3
19:00 < v-dogg> not m2 (the php4 version)
19:02 < Wombert> wat marklar|omni 
19:03 < marklar|omni> pm plz
19:06 < erisco> marklar|omni, why did you bring up java orms? anything specific?
19:06 < erisco> I'm curious, is all, because out of all tools orms are the only ones that still give me nightmares
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21:07 < impl> http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2008/07/17/image/239552_it%20would%20be%20funnier%20if%20it%20wasnt%20so%20true.png
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22:46 < erisco> I'm burnt out from programming... bleh
22:46 < erisco> I just cannot think correctly about it anymore. what am I to do?
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22:55 < shrink0r> so time to leave work
22:55 < shrink0r> 2 late
22:56 < shrink0r> :<
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09:21 < marklar|omni> ohai
09:35 < marklar|omni> Wombert: poek
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09:51 < marklar|omni> impl and/or v-dogg: poek
09:53 < impl> marklar|omni: poekbak
09:53 < marklar|omni> what exactly is the reasoning behind AgaviCalendar
09:53 < marklar|omni> I'm working on #723
09:54 < impl> like, why it exists?
09:54 < marklar|omni> I mean, php already provides pretty good datehandling, can't we just wrap that
09:54 < marklar|omni> yeah
09:54 < impl> I think it's because it's a pretty direct port of ICU
09:54 < marklar|omni> s/direct/buggy/
09:54 < marklar|omni> :<
09:54 < impl> http://www.icu-project.org/userguide/dateCalendar.html
09:55 < marklar|omni> mh
09:56 < marklar|omni> bugorama
09:56 < impl> You'll have to take that up with kaos, I think he wrote most of that code
09:56 < impl> or maybe even the ICU guys
09:56 < impl> :>
09:56 < marklar|omni> hrm
09:57 < marklar|omni> http://depot.mark.org.il/atv/
09:57 < marklar|omni> heh
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09:57 < impl> yah :x
09:57 < StanVs> guys, where did Agavi validate stuff? 
09:57 < StanVs> controller, model.. or elsewhere?
09:57 < impl> Controller
09:57 < impl> basically
09:57 < StanVs> I think in some pre-controller filters, right?
09:58 < StanVs> impl, why did you guys do it this way, and not validate in the model?
09:58 < StanVs> if you call the same model action with similar data from multiple controllers... isn't that code repeating?
09:59 < StanVs> I'm just curious btw, not saying either way is wrong.
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10:03 < marklar|omni> impl: got 10 mins?
10:04 < StanVs> impl?
10:09 < StanVs> MikeSeth :D?
10:10 < Wombert> jo marklar|omni 
10:11 < marklar|omni> Wombert: I'll post my idea of solving #748 someplace
10:14 < marklar|omni> problem is that most implementations will probably fail when the app is distributed over multiple db's/webservers
10:14 < Wombert> why
10:14 < Wombert> feel free to discuss it on the dev list maybe
10:14 < Wombert> someone else probably has insight as well
10:15 < Wombert> marklar|omni: php's date handling is fale
10:15 < Wombert> also, with icu code, we can use the unicode cldr data
10:15 < Wombert> that's the stuff in translation/data :>
10:17 < marklar|omni> Wombert: it will break because you can't easily implement a locking mech in that kinda env
10:17 < Wombert> why not
10:17 < Wombert> you set a lock somewhere
10:17 < Wombert> in, say, a sess_lock table
10:17 < Wombert> :>
10:17 < Wombert> or in memcache
10:17 < Wombert> or whutevah
10:19 < Wombert> eh impl 
10:24  * Wombert pokes marklar|omni 
10:31 < marklar|omni> hrm
10:31 < marklar|omni> what I have in mind would probably break if you have several master DBs
10:31 < marklar|omni> but that's uncommon enough that the implementation can overridden
10:32 < StanVs> why did you guys do it this way, and not validate in the model? <-- any takes
10:34 < Wombert> oh
10:34 < Wombert> well
10:34 < Wombert> for once, because you don't only use the data in the model
10:34 < v-dogg> very often input needs to be validated and normalized before the it gets to the model
10:34 < shoan> http://englishrussia.com/?p=1995
10:34 < Wombert> you show it again on a page, or whichever
10:35 < Wombert> and you can normalize data as well
10:35 < Wombert> like... people could enter "tomorrow" or whatever in a date field, but internally, you want a unix timestamp
10:35 < Wombert> stuff like that
10:35 < StanVs> v-dogg, why not do this in the model
10:35 < v-dogg> but this doesn't mean code duplication, your validator can use complex validation from a model
10:36 < StanVs> if the app supports "tommorow" the model should support this
10:37 < v-dogg> I disagree
10:37 < v-dogg> well, depends
10:37 < StanVs> it depends, but I mean in the general case
10:38 < StanVs> most of the times validating in the model makes sense to me, and the controller may only validate pieces that it needs to *transform*
10:38 < v-dogg> but models are generally easier to write and maintain when you don't have to worry about normalization
10:38 < StanVs> but in a sane design the controller doesn't muck around with all of the input
10:38 < StanVs> I don't know, they are easier, but makes the controller more complex
10:39 < StanVs> and since I write models once and use them in many controllers, I opt for model validation
10:39 < StanVs> how about permissions
10:40 < StanVs> if a certain action requires admin privileges, where would you check this
10:40 < v-dogg> in the action (= part of a controller)
10:42 < StanVs> v-dogg, why not do that in the model too
10:42 < StanVs> :)
10:43 < Wombert> if you call a million things in the model
10:44 < Wombert> how does your controller know what to run
10:44 < Wombert> and what not
10:44 < Wombert> your model needs to know the permissions of the user
10:44 < StanVs> of course it knows them
10:44 < StanVs> they'r in the Authorisation model :P
10:44 < Wombert> it shouldn't
10:44 < StanVs> why not
10:44 < StanVs> as for the controller, it knows not to run things when the model ends with an error
10:45 < StanVs> the controller just sends input to the model and if there's no error, it continues, if there is, the errors are sent to the view for display
10:45 < StanVs> the error may be validation, permission, or whatever
10:45 < StanVs> the controller doesn't care
10:45 < v-dogg> it should
10:45 < StanVs> why
10:46 < StanVs> because we need to stuff the controller with our business logic :)
10:46 < StanVs> ?
10:46 < v-dogg> if it was a validation error, you'd want to show the input form again (if we are talking about a web application)
10:46 < v-dogg> if it was a security error, you'll show the login form 
10:46 < v-dogg> and so on
10:46 < StanVs> no you won't
10:46 < StanVs> why would you show the login form
10:46 < StanVs> what's the point of that
10:46 < StanVs> the user simply has no permissions
10:46 < StanVs> if he was not logged in, then he'd get the login form
10:47 < StanVs> it's too different things
10:47 < StanVs> authorisation and authentication
10:47 < StanVs> too = two :P
10:47 < v-dogg> ok, then you'd show a page saying "need more respect, call the administrator"
10:47 < StanVs> yes, this is the error the controller gets from the mode
10:47 < StanVs> model
10:47 < StanVs> and it sends it to the view, and it shows it
10:47 < StanVs> "insufficient permissions to do X"
10:47 < marklar|omni> heh sean tevis 
10:48 < v-dogg> and when a user writes "foo" instead of an integer? what happens then?
10:48 < StanVs> v-dogg, the model sends validation error to the controller, that error also is sent to the view
10:49 < StanVs> before you ask, any error would cause the page to stay with the form
10:49 < StanVs> only on success would the user be redirected to something else
10:49 < StanVs> the controller however can't really care for all possible errors there are
10:50 < StanVs> this is business logic
10:50 < StanVs> and business logic is not controller's business
10:50 < StanVs> the controller IMO just fetches input, sends it to models and then sends the aggregate output to the view to display
10:50 < StanVs> it's basically the glue
10:50 < Wombert> making calls to models etc is not business logic
10:51 < StanVs> Wombert?
10:51 < StanVs> Did I say it was?
10:52 < StanVs> bbl
10:55 < impl> StanVs: that's how Mojavi did it (Mojavi was CAV - controller-action-view, no model at all), and it's easier to have an XML file for validation if the validation is managed by the controller I think
10:57 < v-dogg> imo the key point of a separate validation system is to have well-defined and _reusable_ validators
10:57 < v-dogg> and this is why it shouldn't be put into models
10:58 < impl> I think it could still be done that way in the models
11:04 < StanVs> v-dogg, it's really strange to say that "I want it reusable so it shouldn't be in models"
11:04 < StanVs> your XML validators are basically models too
11:04 < StanVs> even if you don't call it that
11:05 < v-dogg> I disagree
11:06 < v-dogg> impl: sure but you'd probably end up duplicating controller logic then
11:10 < impl> hmm, maybe
11:10 < impl> I dunno, I would have to play with it ;p
11:10 < v-dogg> :)
11:17 < StanVs> v-dogg, how come validating int he model duplicates controller logic
11:17 < StanVs> I don't get it :p
11:17 < StanVs> I'll use pseudo code
11:19 < StanVs> ctrl: model.login(POST(user), POST(pass));     model:   function login(user, pass) { validate user, pass else throw validation error; try to login, else throw error; return user information; }
11:20 < StanVs> every time you try to login in a controller, you don't need to validate
11:20 < StanVs> the single login model action does it
11:20 < StanVs> as after all it's the login action that's concerned with logging in
11:20 < StanVs> so it must validate
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13:30 < marklar|omni> ohai2u
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14:12 < _cheerios> dark knight @ imdb: User Rating: 9.6/10 (7,041 votes)
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15:04 < StanVs> _cheerios, omg so it sucks huh
15:06 < Macen> all movies suck 
15:06 < Macen> they have done since late '90s
15:06 < Macen> with the odd exception 
15:06 < Macen> i have friends who actively attempt to be movie geeks and critique them
15:06 < Macen> major fail
15:07 < Macen> the entire industry is obsessed with "values"
15:08 < Macen> liek wtf
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15:47 < StanVs> Macen, yea it's from the government. US was a communist state right. Oh... wat.
15:47 < StanVs> But more or less.
15:48 < Macen> their media is far too easy to control
15:48 < StanVs> US has a self-correcting system turning everything into a affirmation of everything that makes an average american stupid.
15:48 < Macen> that's the fundamental problem
15:49 < StanVs> Worse still, people do base a big part of their experience on movies they saw
15:49 < StanVs> When a crash happens, a bank robbery happens, an attack happens, whatever, on the news you can always see someone insightfully pronounce "Oh my god, it was just like the movies!"
15:50 < StanVs> That'd be innocent if it ended there, but people also try to act like people act in movies in attempt to yield an inevitable happy ending.
15:51 < StanVs> Now that part usually fails miserably.
15:51 < StanVs> Macen, how's that for a movie rant ;)
15:52 < Macen> that's derived from the media's obsession to put values across, American's pick up on that and try to inherently adopt the values without thinking
15:53 < StanVs> Well people in US do like any people do: imitate what they see.
15:53 < StanVs> It's just that US people see more movies than other people do. Actually nowadays we all go and see US movies.
15:53 < StanVs> Especially about superheroes.
15:53 < StanVs> We have a real world spiderman.
15:54 < StanVs> I know of a black dude who dresses in a suit and fights crime in his neighborhood for real.
15:54 < StanVs> He was features on CNN couple of months ago.
15:54 < StanVs> featured
15:54 < Macen> haha, a product of a failed society
15:54 < StanVs> After I saw Wanted recently, I want to drop PHP programming and go shoot people.
15:55 < StanVs> I'm saving every day, and one day I'll buy a rifle and shoot people to save the world.
15:55 < Macen> America is like a 15 year old emperor that has inherited all its power, and has yet to realise that there are other nations that are much more experienced which they could learn from
15:56 < Macen> after all they've only had independence for a couple hundred years..
15:56 < v-dogg> usually it's the php programmin that makes you want to shoot people
15:56 < Macen> ha
15:56 < Macen> hi v-dogg 
15:56 < Macen> you're american ?
15:56 < v-dogg> nope, Finnish
15:57 < Macen> didn't think so
15:58 < StanVs> v-dogg, we've assembled a hate group, we're hating americans here, so you're welcome to join
15:58 < StanVs> well not really but
15:58 < StanVs> hating is fun
15:59 < StanVs> I wonder if people that hate everything are just way too cynical and negative, or just too smart.
15:59 < v-dogg> I'll join your hating later, now I must feed the baby
15:59 < StanVs> To use a movie comparison again, you remember Star Wars as a kid. You loved it right?
15:59 < StanVs> But watch it again when you're 25, and it actually has many crappy parts.
16:00 < StanVs> But you loved it as a kid.
16:00 < StanVs> How come!
16:00 < StanVs> Is everyone just too stupid to see how much everything sucks?
16:00 < StanVs> Or we're just a whiney bitch.
16:00 < Macen> heh
16:00 < Macen> i never liked star wars
16:01 < StanVs> Macen, pick <any movie you liked as a kid>
16:01 < Macen> the titles put me off for some reason
16:01 < StanVs> and it turned out lame when you grew up
16:01 < Macen> i know what you mean, labyrinth had an effect on me and when I watched it back I noticed that
16:02 < StanVs> Macen, but here's the kicker, it's not just kids that have difficulty with seeing the flaw of things.
16:02 < Macen> that's only because you're young, when you see it again you realise the fail in it
16:02 < Macen> that's where they go wrong, so what
16:02 < StanVs> We as a community have that difficulty, until we collectively see enough high quality samples to bring the crappy ones against.
16:03 < Macen> make movies the best they can be and different people will have different perceptions of it
16:03 < Macen> who cares if not everyone gets it all
16:03 < Macen> it's insulting when movies explain things to you pointlessly 
16:03 < StanVs> People look back on McCarthism and wonder "wtf, were people so STUPID back there?"
16:04 < StanVs> And yet we have the same thing today with terrorists.
16:04 < StanVs> 1 million people are on the suspect terrorist lists of US.
16:05 < StanVs> In 40-50 years people will think "what the heck were they thinking back then?"
16:05 < StanVs> And they'll have the same, this time with supernazis.
16:06 < Macen> the problem is people in America get compartmentalised, there is no ability to have an open debate because if you have a strong point of view, you're given a label
16:06 < StanVs> People just need an enemy of some sort, if they can't find it elsewhere, they turn against each other. One day we'll be attacked by green brainy icky martians
16:06 < StanVs> And you'll see how muslims, black and white people suddenly work together.
16:07 < Macen> the whole society is fail
16:07 < StanVs> so yea, i can't wait that we're attacked by world-destroying aliens, so that we get along down here on Earth.
16:07 < StanVs> that'll be cool
16:07 < Macen> it won't be fixed in my lifetime so i try not to think about it heh
16:08 < StanVs> George WW. Bush the Third will be on the news every few days telling us that if don't inject ourselves with RFID identity chips, then "the aliens win"
16:08 < Macen> more like he will pay a "top scientist" to claim "this must happen"
16:09 < StanVs> We do NOT want the aliens to win. Because we're not the aliens. So we better do as recommended.
16:09 < Macen> nah
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16:13 < StanVs> Macen, you say this since you're with THEN
16:13 < StanVs> THEM
16:14 < Macen> it's not the people's fault, it's the media imo
16:23 < StanVs> The media is run by people
16:23 < StanVs> Let's face it, it's just.. people, everywhere
16:30 < impl> 11:55:21 < Macen> America is like a 15 year old emperor that has inherited all its power, and has yet to realise that there are other nations that are much more experienced which they could learn from
16:30 < impl> That's a BIT exaggerated
16:31 < Macen> how? they're what 200 years old, other nations are thousands of years old
16:31 < Macen> if you scale it down, they're about 15 and other nations are more like 60/70
16:31 < Macen> yet they're the leaders of the free world
16:33 < StanVs> America is like a MVC framework that validates outside the models!
16:33 < StanVs> Hell yeah!
16:33 < StanVs> ;)
16:35 < impl> Macen: We stole almost all of our ideas from other countries
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16:36 < Macen> hehe
16:36 < Macen> some would say America was very naive 
16:37 < impl> So they shouldn't have taken ideas from other places, and yet they should?
16:37 < Macen> they got independence and was very gung-ho, thought they knew best, and developed at an exponential rate
16:37 < Macen> nono
16:37 < Macen> i don't know
16:38 < v-dogg> *sigh* ... one day middle east politics, next day wanna-be intellectual america discussion
16:39 < v-dogg> can we get back to hating php and symfony :)
16:41 < _cheerios> can someone pull down the sun so it's not so hot in here :|
16:44 < StanVs> v-dogg, why do we hate symfony
16:44 < StanVs> let's hate Cake PHP, it's an easy target
16:44  * Macen is trying to pass data between extJS classes
16:45 < Macen> not a pretty task
16:48 < StanVs> Macen, hashmaps?
16:49 < Macen> mm..no
16:50 < StanVs> Macen, damn I've seen the Labyrinch
16:50 < StanVs> nth
16:50 < StanVs> That was Jennifer connelly?
16:50 < StanVs> Damn
16:50 < Macen> with that young kid in yeh
16:50 < Macen> so funny watching it back ;)
16:51  * Macen was lol
16:51 < StanVs> She was 16 back then, crazy
16:51 < Macen> legal in the UK :D
16:51 < StanVs> O_o
16:51  * Macen <-brit
16:51 < StanVs> Well I was 4 back then so that'd be problematic.
16:52 < Macen> naturally
16:52 < StanVs> how about a sequel with cheesy CGI effects
16:53 < StanVs> Sarah has grown up to be a prostitute crack addict.. until ONE DAY... the Labyrinth is back!!!
16:53 < StanVs> "More dark then ever" - Fake Critic
16:54 < StanVs> "The best fantasy/horror piece of 2009" - Fake Critic 2
16:54 < StanVs> I just gotta go to Hollywood and show these people a piece o' my mind.
17:00 < impl> I think you should both be shot
17:01 < StanVs> impl, I can dodge bullets.
17:01 < impl> OLD
17:01 < StanVs> it still works
17:01 < impl> OLDDDD
17:01 < StanVs> you're old! waa :p
17:02 < impl> that meme is like, older than the Internet
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17:30 < marklar|omni> ohai
17:30 < marklar|omni> happy bd to me
17:30 < marklar|omni> STABWOUNDS IN THE EYE TO YOU
18:22 < Macen> harhar
18:22 < Macen> happy bday marklar 
18:22  * Macen decorates #agavi appropriately and lets off some fireworks
18:22 < Macen> </end_of_fun>
18:22 < Macen> <back_to_ext>
18:23 < Macen> mmh my naming convention sucks
18:23 < Macen> </fun> would be more apt
18:23 < Macen> <ext> also
18:23 < Macen> n/m
18:25 < Macen> i actual have got used to the shitty ext code, slightly worrying
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18:26 < Macen> i've even begun to get a funny happy feeling from using it
18:26 < Macen> s/funny/fuzzy
18:26 < Macen> quite unexpected
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20:36 < _cheerios> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/18/ealeopard118.xml
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20:46 < Macen> that poor aligator
20:47 < Macen> would of had my money on the alligator tbh
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23:29 < andresj> hey :)    how do I use smarty with agavi?
23:33 < Macen> http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/browse_thread/thread/df2777b776faf77e
23:33 < Macen> i'm off, bye
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23:49 < andresj> hey whats the difference between a Renderer and a View? the sections about Renderers in the docs are empty.
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23:58 < andresj> never mind with the last question.
23:58 < andresj> What I don't get is why there is an AgaviSmartyView... if there is already a renderer for it
23:59 < impl> There hasn't been an AgaviSmartyView in years and years
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00:13 < andresj> impl: oh really? i just found it in google haha :)  didn't know it had been deprecated.   btw, do u know how to use AgaviSmartyRenderer?
00:14 < andresj> I am adding <renderer name="smarty" class="AgaviSmartyRenderer"> to my output_types.xml but don't know wat to do next.
00:34 < Wombert> it will simply use that if its the default, andresj 
00:35 < Wombert> otherwise, do <layer name="..." renderer="smarty" />
00:38 < andresj> Wombert: I mean, the PHP renderer element has a <parameter name="assigns">, do I need that for Smarty/
00:38 < andresj> ?
00:38 < Wombert> all renderers support that
00:38 < Wombert> it assigns convenient variables with certain internal objects and stuff
00:40 < andresj> Wombert: should I copy paste what is there to the smarty section?
00:42 < Wombert> if you like :)
00:42 < andresj> haha ok :) I'm new to Agavi so many things are new to me... :)
00:43 < andresj> Wombert: if u have a little time could u explain to me wat a layer is? :P
00:47 < Wombert> http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-dev/browse_thread/thread/6e1a1033b4b8b77c/14f5016d583673f0?lnk=gst&q=layouts#14f5016d583673f0
00:48 < Wombert> read from "Next: the new template architecture. "
00:48 < Wombert> be sure to click "read more"
00:48 < Wombert> and read the following postings
00:48 < Wombert> be sure to use $inner for the inner content, as suggested later
00:49 < andresj> Wombert: thank you very much :)
00:56 < Wombert> let me know if you have any questions, andresj 
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01:43 < andresj> Wombert: are you still there? :) This quiestion is not directly related to layers and layouts (and btw I understand the basics now thanks for the reference :). I wanna know how can I make AgaviSmartyRenderer import Smarty.class.php if I don't have access to the include paths (/usr/share/php, etc.) and would rather not set the include-path in .htaccess.   Is there a way to like add my_project/lib/smarty to the include path?
01:44 < Wombert> set_include_path() and get_include_path()
01:44 < Wombert> do that in app/config.php (without hardcoded paths)
01:46 < andresj> Wombert: cool :) but now that i see it, what isnt autoload.xml for that? maybe that would be better?
01:47 < Wombert> nah, autoload is something else
01:47 < Wombert> smarty doesn't work with autoloading
01:48 < andresj> Wombert: oh ic ic thanks :)
01:49 < andresj> Wombert: should I use "../libs" in conf.php, or use Agavi's %core.*% helper?
01:52 < Wombert> ../libs should work
01:52 < Wombert> or you AgaviConfig::set() your own
01:52 < Wombert> like core.libs_dir
01:52 < Wombert> or whatever
01:56 < andresj> Wombert: oh that could work :). but I'd have to add each library I use like that.
01:56 < Wombert> of course
01:56 < Wombert> but that's a problem of the libraries
01:56 < Wombert> they all need initialization in one way or another
01:56 < Wombert> pear libs for instance work just with lib/Lib.php or similar
01:57 < Wombert> so its enough to just set the dir where all libs reside
01:57 < andresj> Wombert: mm... but, for example, AgaviSmartyRenderer will try to import Smarty.class.php, not smarty/Smarty.class.php
02:00 < Wombert> yeah... smarty is fail :/
02:02 < andresj> Wombert: haha yeah... Well I ended up just adding ../libs/, ../libs/agavi, and ../libs/smarty to the include path from app/config.php :)
02:02 < Wombert> no need for agavi
02:02 < Wombert> it doesn't need include paths or anything
02:02 < Wombert> :>
02:03 < andresj> Wombert: oh cool haha good :)
02:04 < andresj> Wombert: btw what layers do u use in ur layouts? to have an idea of what good practice is :)
02:04 < andresj> ;)
02:21 < Wombert> like the sample app
02:21 < Wombert> usually just a content layer and a decorator
02:22 < Wombert> mind you that those are just for... well... layouts... kinds of pages
02:22 < Wombert> so you'd never have a layout "login" or so, for specific pages
02:22 < Wombert> if you need specific slots for specific pages, for instance, you do that at runtime, in the view
02:22 < Wombert> have you looked at the sample app?
02:22 < Wombert> I'm afraid I gotta hit the sack now, andresj 
02:22 < Wombert> I'll talk to you tomorrow
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05:10 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:48 < _cheerios> huomenta
07:53 < _cheerios> good 'ol http://www.greetings.fi
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08:39 < MikeSeth> ohai
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09:10 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: poke
09:47 < _cheerios> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj3fQJkC1Z0 + http://www.tauniverse.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2465.html + http://www.reddit.com/info/6sksb/comments/c04r5qj :)
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10:25 < MikeSeth> durrrrrr
10:25 < MikeSeth> Wombert: poke
10:27 < Wombert> hi MikeSeth 
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10:38 < MikeSeth> damn 
10:38 < MikeSeth> Wombert: you gonna love what im sending you ;>
10:38 < Wombert> orly
10:38 < Wombert> :>
10:40 < MikeSeth> ye
10:40 < MikeSeth> wait ill find where i put my secure key
10:40 < MikeSeth> heh
10:40 < MikeSeth> spam i just got
10:40 < MikeSeth> "Clinton found hanged in bedroom"
10:43 < MikeSeth> check your mail 
10:45 < MikeSeth> Wombert: is nice?
10:49 < MikeSeth> oh MugeSo's layout hack is cute
10:51 < MikeSeth> Wombert: tell me what you think!
10:54 < Wombert> :>
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11:08 < MikeSeth_> painz
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13:31 < MikeSeth_> durrr
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15:29 < marklar|omni> ohai
15:30 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: plz2tellme
15:31 < MikeSeth> wtf is wrong with last.fm
15:31 < MikeSeth> it only plays 30 sec previews when i select a specific song
15:31 < MikeSeth> why so fail :<
15:31 < marklar|omni> they want your money
15:31 < marklar|omni> :<
15:33 < MikeSeth> i paid them dollars
15:33 < MikeSeth> still fale
15:34 < MikeSeth> radio works fine except you can never choose a specific song
15:34 < marklar|omni> oh weird
15:34 < marklar|omni> weird weird.
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15:49 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: can haz nooz docs plzplz?
15:49 < MikeSeth> oh zomg 
15:49 < MikeSeth> yes ill scribble up smth
15:49 < marklar|omni> ok then
15:57 < kaos|work_> omg, jboss is such a fail :(
16:00 < Macen> i can not express in words how much win this admin system is
16:00 < Macen> i am overwhelmed 
16:01 < Macen> clearly going to do a screencast and get some well spoken person to do a voice over on it
16:02 < Macen> shame the code looks like i shat it out after a curry
16:05 < Macen> brb
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17:17 < andresj> hey the _title attribute is set in my view. how do i access it from my template?
17:23 < v-dogg> andresj: $template['_title']
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17:39 < Macen> omgnoway
17:39 < Macen> file mime types's are taken from the files extension
17:40 < Macen> failll
17:40 < Macen> i'm sure that's not the case for image info...
17:45 < andresj> thanks v-dogg :) btw, do u know why its "_title" and not "title"?
17:53 < impl> I think I changed that in the new buildsystem
17:54 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: you is not coming today?
17:54 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/trunk/src/build/templates/app/modules/views/View.class.php.tmpl
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17:56 < nfq> Wombert: ping
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18:41 < v-dogg> andresj: just because whoever wrote it a thousand years ago thought it should be _title and not title
18:42 < v-dogg> the default template (until now), that is
18:51 < _cheerios> germans, go figure em...
18:52 < v-dogg> might have been a yankee too :)
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18:54 < Whisller> evening
18:54 < v-dogg> hey
18:55 < Wombert> 'twas a yank, aye
18:55 < v-dogg> I was just writing you an email, Whisller 
18:55 < Macen> oh man, not being anal or that or anything but the ext docs make me wanna scream arghh
18:55 < Whisller> v-dogg: which one? Did you sent it :>
18:56 < impl> ARGHH SHIVER ME TIMBERS
18:56 < Whisller> v-dogg: I see 19 rev :) 
18:56 < v-dogg> Whisller: no, not yet. If you have a minute, I can brief you :)
18:56 < Whisller> ok
18:56 < Whisller> Go ahead :]
18:56 < Whisller> I'm cerrious
18:56 < v-dogg> -> #adt
18:57 < Whisller> curious
18:57 < v-dogg> Wombert: you could join too (just to see what I've been up to)
18:59 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: I'm in tiberias
18:59 < marklar|omni> tomorrow
19:03 < Macen> heh
19:03 < Macen> fail
19:08 < marklar|omni> 18:57 < kaos|work_> omg, jboss is such a fail :(
19:08 < marklar|omni> nah, not really
19:08 < marklar|omni> at least you're not working w/weblogic :<
19:08 < kaos|work_> oh yes
19:09 < kaos|work_> i have a webservice
19:09 < marklar|omni> i haz a webservice too
19:09 < kaos|work_> deploying on a running jboss works
19:09 < kaos|work_> but when i restart jboss
19:09 < kaos|work_> it fails
19:09 < kaos|work_> then i have to undeploy and redeploy while its running
19:09 < marklar|omni> mm
19:09 < marklar|omni> deadlox?
19:10 < kaos|work_> no, nullpointer exception
19:10 < marklar|omni> where?
19:10 < kaos|work_> mom
19:10 < marklar|omni> hrm
19:10 < marklar|omni> UseJBossWebLoader = ?
19:12 < kaos|work_> Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException
19:12 < kaos|work_> 	at org.jboss.wsf.common.KernelAwareSPIFactory.getKernelProvidedSPI(KernelAwareSPIFactory.java:40)
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19:12 < kaos|work_> UseJBossWebLoader is false
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19:13 < marklar|omni> hm
19:15 < marklar|omni> looks like the registry isn't inited
19:16 < kaos|work_> maybe its some 5.0 thing which doesn't work properly yet
19:16 < marklar|omni> ya probably
19:16 < kaos|work_> couldn't get 4.2.x to run, so i need to use 5.0
19:16 < marklar|omni> hrm
19:18 < marklar|omni> cr1, yes?
19:18 < kaos|work_> yup
19:18 < marklar|omni> https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBAS-5746
19:18 < marklar|omni> this is your bug, bookmark it :<
19:18 < kaos|work_> oh, thx :>
19:18 < marklar|omni> kek
19:18 < kaos|work_> but i only needed jboss to do some performance testing
19:18 < marklar|omni> OH NOW YOU TELL ME
19:19 < kaos|work_> oh
19:19 < marklar|omni> after I went to jira :<
19:19 < kaos|work_> sry :<
19:19 < marklar|omni> hehe
19:19 < kaos|work_> but knowin when that bug is fixed will still help kthx
19:19  * marklar|omni wants to do some freelance unix admin tasks
19:19 < marklar|omni> any takers?
19:19 < kaos|work_> can haz mac osx server config ? :>
19:20 < impl> IT WILL MAKE YOU STAB YOURSELF IN THE EYE
19:20 < impl> ARUURUGUGHFUG
19:20 < kaos|work_> only when you touch the console ;p
19:20 < impl> It took me about 2 minutes after I started setting it up again to open Terminal
19:20 < marklar|omni> heh
19:20 < impl> :|
19:21 < marklar|omni> macosx is the unix version of the gay pride parade
19:21 < marklar|omni> and you can quote me on that
19:27 < Hamerr> can you help me for one simple issue, that is not framework related at all?
19:29 < Hamerr> i have 2 way comunication ( user -> server <- operator ) 
19:29 < Hamerr> and i need to pass a value from user to operator and from operator to user withou using mysql or to write anything to files and stuff 
19:30 < Hamerr> i think that its impossible but .. :) 
19:33 < marklar|omni> memcache?
19:33 < Hamerr> mysql is faster 
19:33 < Hamerr> i have a query on each 500ms that makes 120 requests to mysql per minute 
19:34 < Hamerr> http://paste2.org/p/50524
19:34 < marklar|omni> hmm
19:34 < Hamerr> i`m on 'hmm' stage too 
19:35 < marklar|omni> not sure exactly what you're trying to achieve here
19:36 < Hamerr> user sends some data and the operator must recieve it 
19:36 < Hamerr> true or false 
19:36 < Hamerr> thats it :) 
19:37 < Hamerr> but the only way i see is to write it into a database or file 
19:37 < marklar|omni> you need some sort of "relay" storage
19:37 < marklar|omni> a mysql ram-only table could be good here
19:38 < marklar|omni> "engine memory" iirc
19:38 < Hamerr> tell me what is should check in google 
19:39 < Hamerr> it must be some sort of storage that has global access and its faster than mysql 
19:39 < marklar|omni> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/memory-storage-engine.html
19:39 < Hamerr> thank you i`ll check it out 
19:43 < Hamerr> marklar|omni this is very good :)
19:43 < Hamerr> thank you :) 
19:43 < marklar|omni> there are some limitations
19:43 < marklar|omni> make sure you read the entire page
19:43 < marklar|omni> and make sure you have enough memory on the box
19:43 < marklar|omni> etc
19:44 < Hamerr> i will thanks again 
19:45 < marklar|omni> np
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20:27 < _cheerios> http://tinyurl.com/2xywac restless
20:28 < impl> ...cool
20:29 < _cheerios> HIGHFIVE
20:32 < Macen> i don't get it
20:32 < Macen> pedobear?
20:34 < Strzalek> huomenta
20:34 < Strzalek> hi there _cheerios 
20:34 < Strzalek> remeber me ;) ?
20:38 < Strzalek> What about our scaffold like idea?
20:39 < _cheerios> i'd say it's at the stage we left it at
20:40 < Strzalek> Hah, _cheerios ok, do you have link to our last snippet?
20:40 < _cheerios> nope
21:00 < Macen> http://paste2.org/p/50553
21:00 < Macen> no need to look at ext code mwuaha
21:00 < Whisller> How I can read configuration files, like databases.xml? Using AgaviConfigCache::checkConfig method?
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21:31 < Whisller> Good night :)
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21:38 < Macen> wtf
21:38 < Macen> arning: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated
21:38 < Macen> i knew upgrading to php5 was a bad idea
21:38  * Macen trundles off to the ini...
21:41 < Macen> hmm..
21:41 < Macen> The encouraged method of
21:41 < Macen> ; specifying which arguments should be passed by reference is in the function
21:41 < Macen> ; declaration. 
21:42 < impl> Macen: Your quit message doesn't work correctly, and it really bothers me :>
21:42 < impl> 12:05:40 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit ["marklar|omni: i need a foolproof scheme for killing everyone :: impl: melt the icebergs :: MikeSeth: wait for a year or so ::]
21:42 < Macen> hahahah
21:42 < Macen> WORLD KILLER
21:43 < Macen> marklar|omni: i need a foolproof scheme for killing everyone :: impl: melt the icebergs :: MikeSeth: wait for a year or so :: impl: no use a hair dryer :: impl: it will be faster
21:43 < Macen> freenode fail
21:43 < Wombert> ...
21:43 < Wombert> it's irc, akshully, unless /me are mistakens
21:43 < Macen> freenode's global server configuration
21:44 < Macen> they can control lots of things, quit msg length is one
21:44 < impl> the spec limits messages to 512-bytes in length
21:44 < impl> that's all, though, I think
21:44 < Macen> sometimes you'll get a rouge server that refuses to conform to global settings
21:44 < Macen> they're usually the best
21:44 < Macen> rogue rouge whatever
21:45 < impl> Wombert: Do you have M&Ms in Germany?
21:45 < Macen> M&M's are awesome 
21:46 < Macen> for a second there i thought you meant marks and spencer, in which case i'd of been confused..
21:46 < Wombert> impl: what kind of question is that
21:46 < Macen> lolol
21:46 < Wombert> you americans...
21:46  * Wombert shakes head
21:46 < Macen> i'm actually fully lol
21:46 < Wombert> "OH I DIDN'T REALIZED YOU GERMANS HAD FRIDGES! AND ESCALATORS!"
21:46 < Wombert> -D
21:46 < Wombert> :>>>
21:46 < impl> FIEN
21:47 < impl> I am buying some tomorrow btw.
21:47 < impl> :<
21:48 < marklar|omni> kek
21:49 < Wombert> we haz blue ones and yello and brown
21:49 < impl> what about green and orange
21:49 < Macen> they got rid of the blue one out of smarties in england
21:49 < Macen> no shit
21:49 < Macen> because of it's E numbers
21:49 < Macen> its*
21:49 < Wombert> impl: talking packaging, not the candy itself
21:49 < Macen> like, the world is insane 
21:50 < Macen> they probably have fudge coated ones in usa
21:50 < Wombert> impl: http://www.m-ms.de/about_produkte.html
21:50 < impl> oh
21:50 < impl> yellow is best
21:50 < Wombert> peanuts!
21:50 < Wombert> that reminds me
21:50 < impl> lool
21:51 < Wombert> I must have a beagle one day
21:51 < Wombert> a snoopy-ish weird one
21:51 < impl> The plant's name combines the morphemes pea and nut, causing some confusion as to the nature of the fruit. Although a nut in the culinary sense, in the botanical sense the fruit of the peanut plant is a woody, indehiscent legume and not a nut
21:51 < Macen> not meaning to taint all makers of beagles, but i had one..it was less like break and more like foam, very tough tight woven foam...compact...i was nearly sick 
21:52 < Macen> s/break/bread
21:52 < Wombert> see, THAT I forgot already impl 
21:52 < Wombert> :>
21:52 < Macen> a huge disappointment, i felt let down
21:52 < Wombert> but good you looked it u
21:52 < Wombert> p
21:52 < Wombert> what bout almond
21:52 < impl> it is not a fruit or a nut
21:52 < Wombert> almonds aren't nuts either
21:53 < impl> Botanically, the almond seed or fruit is not a true nut, but a drupe.
21:53 < impl> oh I guess it is a fruit
21:53 < impl> wtf is a nut then
21:53 < impl> wait nuts are fruits?
21:53 < Wombert> are they?
21:53 < Wombert> nowai
21:53 < Macen> guys, i'm off
21:53 < Macen> adiosssssss
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21:54 < impl> Botany is stupid.
21:59 < marklar|omni> stupid, like a tree.
22:05 < Wombert> gotta run home
22:05 < Wombert> laters
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23:11 < Wombert> impl: poek
23:13 < impl> Wombert: poek
23:14 < Wombert> emailz
23:15 < impl> oh lawd, .DS_Store everywhar
23:16 < impl> Wombert: you'll have to wait until I get into the office tomorrow 'cause the contrast on my laptop screen is really awful
23:17 < Wombert> oh those hp screens aren't any better 
23:17 < Wombert> but yeah :>
23:17 < Wombert> if you look at a trac page on them
23:17 < Wombert> white at the top, yellow middle, orange bottom
23:17 < Wombert> or so
23:17  * Wombert kicks TN
23:17 < impl> s'okay, I'll look at it on your monitor :x
23:17 < impl> all 400000x40000 pixels of them
23:19 < Wombert> only macs have those
23:20 < impl> :~
23:28 < Wombert> hm#
23:28 < Wombert> http://benramsey.com/archives/http-status-redirection/
23:28 < Wombert> should we fix agavi?
23:46 < impl> impl sendz reply2list
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00:22 < andresj> hey. one part of my application involves using IMAP to check a mail account. I know I have to put all that functionality into a Model (although it will probably span more than one Doctrine Table). What I wanna know if it would make sense to put it into its own Module. All that will be available via web would be adding/deleting/modifying accounts to check, and a URL to be called in a cron job to rutinely check the accounts.
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00:28 < andresj> hey. one part of my application involves using IMAP to check a mail account. I know I have to put all that functionality into a Model (although it will probably span more than one Doctrine Table). What I wanna know if it would make sense to put it into its own Module. All that will be available via web would be adding/deleting/modifying accounts to check, and a URL to be called in a cron job to rutinely check the accounts.
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03:21 < marklar|omni> wwaahht
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06:13 < Whisller> Huomenta :)
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06:20 < marklar|omni> waaht
06:20 < marklar|omni> do not want.
06:21 < marklar|omni> andresj: the functionality should be in the model; you can make a separate module that would call out to the model if you think it would make your code cleaner
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06:22 < _cheerios> huomenta
06:24 < marklar|omni> sup
06:30 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: poek
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07:26 < v-dogg> huomenta
07:43 < marklar|omni> wassah
07:47 < MikeSeth> huomenta
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08:01 < Wombert> huomenta
08:02 < MikeSeth> oh hai
08:06 < marklar|omni> ohai
08:07 < liutis> huomenta
08:23 < MikeSeth> Wombert: so default 302 => 307?
08:23 < Wombert> eh no 303
08:23 < Wombert> dunno
08:23 < Wombert> dev list :>
08:23 < MikeSeth> kk
08:24 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: htf do I get last.fm to play things I *want*
08:25 < MikeSeth> ir confus
08:25 < MikeSeth> it gives me russian hiphop when I click "loved tracks"
08:25 < MikeSeth> I mean srsly?
08:26 < MikeSeth> and when you search for Tool it starts playing APC or Puscifer..
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08:36 < marklar|omni> lol
08:36 < marklar|omni> I think you need to add them to "mah playlistz"
08:36 < marklar|omni> and then play it
08:37 < MikeSeth> O_O
08:37 < MikeSeth> how do I play a playlist
08:37 < marklar|omni> use teh clientz
08:37 < MikeSeth> gee fucking XUL
08:37 < MikeSeth> it has no 'playlist' option
08:37 < MikeSeth> only adding to playlist
08:38 < marklar|omni> download teh clientz
08:38 < MikeSeth> i have
08:38 < MikeSeth> there's no playlist
08:38 < marklar|omni> it haz a sidebar
08:38 < marklar|omni> with a mah playlist icon
08:38 < MikeSeth> no playlist in sidebar
08:38 < MikeSeth> there's recommendations, radio, loved and neighbours
08:40 < marklar|omni> loved, i think
08:47 < MikeSeth> it plays 30 sec previews?
08:48 < MikeSeth> i mean recent loved tracks does
08:48 < MikeSeth> "my loved tracks" plays something completely nonsensical
08:48 < marklar|omni> weird
08:48 < rick111> what's up my friends?
08:48 < marklar|omni> client doesn't work for me here
08:49 < marklar|omni> I'll check at home
08:49 < MikeSeth> durrr
08:49 < MikeSeth> ohai 
08:49 < MikeSeth> JFYI http://www.last.fm/music/Angelspit/+videos/+1-rM0HNzm8dno dis song is win
08:49 < rick111> MikeSeth how old are you again?
08:50 < MikeSeth> mm
08:50 < MikeSeth> something between 20 and 30 not sure
08:51 < rick111> 2.....5?
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08:52 < MikeSeth> 27?
08:56 < rick111> nice
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09:51 < nfq> Wombert: ping
10:02 < Wombert> srsly
10:02 < Wombert> last.fm is so fale
10:02 < Wombert> I tried it many times
10:02 < Wombert> still meh
10:06 < impl> I like reading the comments on last.fm
10:06 < impl> They're almost as good as the ones on YouTube
10:06 < impl> "SHUT THE FUCK UP PITCHFORK. THIS IS NO 6.0. THIS IS AT LEAST FUCKING 8.5 MATERIAL."
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10:07 < impl> "ok lauren, some degree of indie irony is expected, but high school musical? I would like an explanation please."
10:34 < Whisller> I found in agavi source example use of RecursiveIteratorIterator, and I have a question. It works good but doesn't display an empty dirs. http://pastebin.com/m24360aab Is there a solution to display folders without any file.
10:37 < Wombert> look at the docs...
10:45 < Whisller> ok
10:59 < Whisller> RecursiveIteratorIterator::SELF_FIRST
11:00 < ttj> Haha, how did I miss this debacle that MikeSeth created. :D
11:24 < marklar|omni> hubbahubbahubba
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11:36 < MikeSeth> ttj: oh lawd
11:36 < MikeSeth> ttj: you only found out about this now?
11:36 < MikeSeth> O_O
11:36 < Wombert> what debacle
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11:55 < ttj> MikeSeth: Yeah, I've been too busy trying to salvage my 1H08 bonuses. ;)
11:58 < impl> the hecklin'
12:01 < ttj> Yeah. :)
12:04 < ttj> MikeSeth: But yeah, if I ever meet you anywhere, I need to get you a pint or two. :D
12:04 < MikeSeth> hahahahahahaha
12:04 < MikeSeth> done buddy
12:04 < MikeSeth> ;>
12:05 < rick111> PINT
12:05 < rick111> YUMMY
12:05 < rick111> i was at a wine tasting event friday
12:06 < rick111> i got drunkededed
12:06 < Wombert> what are you talking about
12:06 < impl> Still drunk? Usually alcohol wears off after a few hours
12:08 < marklar|omni> ugh what
12:08 < ttj> A-ha! But the trick is to solve the input-output problem and achieve a state that's as stable as possible which will in turn keep you decently drunk without passing out. :P
12:08  * Wombert smacks ttj 
12:09 < ttj> No more pints for Wombert, since he apparently becomes violent when given beer.
12:09  * Wombert grabs a chair leg
12:09 < Wombert> WAT?
12:10 < ttj> See? Germans... *sigh*
12:13 < rick111> Wombert i don't know how to simplify what i've said
12:13 < rick111> i guess you'll just have to live without knowing
12:15  * Wombert is annoyed
12:16 < Wombert> you talking bout mike seth calling people criminal failures at teh conference? :p
12:17 < Wombert> MikeSeth: http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-33299.html
12:18 < MikeSeth> I believe the expression was "false advertising is criminal"
12:18 < MikeSeth> Wombert: oh, not this again
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12:19 < Wombert> rubber bullet, but still
12:19 < Wombert> MikeSeth: not even that
12:19 < Wombert> you said "I don't want to call anyone a criminal..." blah
12:19 < MikeSeth> Wombert: why is it that every time the video is posted no one ever mentions that there's a criminal investigation, the soldier has been arrested, and that it's a nationwide scandal in Israel?
12:19 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
12:19 < Wombert> oh I know MikeSeth 
12:19 < Wombert> I was just wondering why the fuck he is shooting him in the leg :p
12:19 < Wombert> and why there is a cut in the video
12:43 < marklar|omni> it's all a leftist antisemite plot
12:43 < marklar|omni> the dirty arab hit OUR BULLET WITH HIS LEG
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13:04 < Wombert> lawl marklar|omni 
13:05 < marklar|omni> you can clearly see in the video
13:17 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: POEK~~~
13:17 < marklar|omni> http://www.israelpost.co.il//hpcontent.nsf/B8EC41667C4B7E1BC2257483002CFBAB/$FILE/160x110.swf
13:19 < MikeSeth> lolwut
13:20 < marklar|omni> THE PRESENTOR IS NOT SANTA
13:20 < MikeSeth> ...
13:20 < marklar|omni> PLZNOTE K
13:20 < marklar|omni> hehe
13:23 < marklar|omni> lol ozeret4u
13:25 < MikeSeth> lol wat
13:25 < MikeSeth> checking
13:27 < marklar|omni> man, d.co.il are really going at it
13:27 < marklar|omni> they're gonna own the .il internets soon
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13:52 < Macen> wow
13:52 < Macen> stephen hawking is british 
13:52 < Macen> never knew that..
14:01 < marklar|omni> the accent gives it away :<
14:04 < impl> lolo
14:11 < marklar|omni> keke
14:12 < marklar|omni> so tired.
14:12 < marklar|omni> so, so tired.
14:15  * Macen pets miek
14:18 < Macen> btw
14:19 < Macen> with the docs, can we have liek plenty of ubër examples and scenarios 
14:19 < Macen> i always find good docs seems to have more time spent on the demo's than the words
14:20 < Macen> words are fail
14:20 < Macen> i think communication is over rated, actually, there is too much left to the other person to decipher
14:21 < Macen> we should all become telekinetic or smthn
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14:25 < Macen> hahaha
14:26 < Macen> has that always been _cheerios' quit msg
14:26 < Macen> quality 
14:26  * Macen jumps on MikeSeth ^^
14:28 < MikeSeth> wat
14:28 < Macen> i wondered if you knew what ze docs were going to be liek
14:29 < MikeSeth> they're gonna be liek
14:29 < MikeSeth> full of letters
14:29 < MikeSeth> and stuff
14:29 < impl> SOMETIMES
14:29 < Macen> oh so cool
14:29 < impl> i herd they will has code
14:29 < MikeSeth> amazing
14:29 < MikeSeth> the letter placing technology opens up new horizons
14:29 < impl> and you will copyandpasteit until your SAUCE
14:30 < impl> s/until/into/
14:30 < impl> gg, impl, gg.
14:31 < MikeSeth> yay Zombie Girl on radio
14:31 < MikeSeth> secks
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14:33 < Macen> http://temp.youds.com/Documentation%20Review.pdf
14:33 < Macen> wahh
14:33 < Macen> that is liek v old
14:34 < Macen> tis from when i wanted to learn agavi on holiday and found i wasn't going to have much luck
14:36 < rick111> omg
14:36 < rick111> buy a book
14:37 < rick111> or walk up to random girls and ask them for a game of pool
14:37 < rick111> don't however, ever do that again
14:37 < Macen> harhar
14:37 < Macen> i was visiting my gran
14:38 < Macen> hence major boredom 
14:39 < Macen> who in fact is very ill atm so no gran jokes plsta
14:39 < rick111> ok, how old r u?
14:40 < Macen> um, not old enough to be your father, so i won't be paying your child benefit.. 
14:41 < rick111> booooo
14:41 < rick111> how old?
14:41 < Macen> 22 :>
14:41 < rick111> would be pretty cool it you were my father
14:41 < rick111> by cool, i suppose I mean impossible
14:42 < Macen> ya well i've already had one lucky escape
14:42 < Macen> so won't be doing that again soon
14:42 < impl> You're not having sex because you almost knocked up a girl once?
14:43 < rick111> LOL
14:43 < Macen> well..yea
14:43 < Macen> they're terrible 
14:43 < Macen> they'll do anything to get your sperm
14:43 < MikeSeth> ...
14:43 < Macen> srsly
14:43 < Macen> women are evul 
14:43 < rick111> naaaa
14:44 < rick111> women are good
14:44 < MikeSeth> i had an aids scare once
14:44 < MikeSeth> lol
14:44 < rick111> that don't sound fun
14:44 < Macen> ow that must of been 
14:45 < rick111> are you a man, that does with another man?
14:45 < Macen> takes like 3 months to find out huh
14:45 < Macen> LOL
14:45 < Macen> ARE YUO GAY?!?
14:45 < Macen> (he's not)
14:45 < rick111> i've had stick up the end of my knob when having a sex test thing
14:46 < rick111> was fucking beautiful
14:46 < Macen> why? you can ask for the piss test
14:47 < rick111> my ex asked me to take one, and a piss test wont do for everything
14:47 < Macen> admittedly this is a recent development of uk medicine 
14:47 < rick111> ahhhh, it was about 3 years ago I had it
14:47 < Macen> do you know what they do now? text you the fucking results 
14:47 < Macen> i had a text saying "Mickey Mouse says all clear" 
14:47 < rick111> ahahha
14:47 < rick111> are you in the UK?
14:47 < Macen> yaya
14:47 < rick111> alright calm down
14:47 < rick111> im from scouse land
14:48 < Macen> hahahh
14:48 < Macen> calm down clam down !
14:48 < Macen> "big mac mate"
14:48 < Macen> doesn't work on irc..
14:48 < impl> GET A ROOM GUYS
14:48 < Macen> nah, i'm an lfc fan so not scouse but fond of the accent
14:48 < Macen> live just up the m5
14:49 < Macen> Ferrnnnanndoooo Torresssss Liverpool's number 9
14:49 < Macen> wahoo..
14:49 < rick111> YEAH BABEH
14:51 < MikeSeth> lol
14:51 < MikeSeth> i just pwned #php
14:51 < MikeSeth> 14:39 <+cythrawll> ManDay, editor: vim, IDE, eclipse+pdt
14:51 < MikeSeth> 14:39 <MikeSeth> he means emacs
14:51 < MikeSeth> 14:41 <+cythrawll> MikeSeth, and where has that gotten you?
14:51 < MikeSeth> 14:43 <MikeSeth> cythrawll: well, certainly my code is superior to 95% of everything that gets pasted here
14:51 < MikeSeth> 14:43 <MikeSeth> so it did lead me somewhere
14:51 < MikeSeth> 14:43 <MikeSeth> dog bless emacs
14:51 < MikeSeth> 14:44 <pl0d> MikeSeth: can I see some of your code?
14:51 < MikeSeth> 14:46 <MikeSeth> pl0d: http://pastebin.ca/1078429
14:51 < MikeSeth> 14:46 <MikeSeth> there you go
14:51 < MikeSeth> now they're all like waaaaaa can i be your friend etc etc ;>
14:52 < Macen> hahaahah
14:52 < rick111> hahahahahah
14:52 < Macen> tell them "MikeSeth is YOUR leader"
14:52  * MikeSeth is such a slut
14:52 < Macen> and they must now obey
14:52 < rick111> can I be your friend, lol. that's the only reason i'm here
14:52 < Macen> rofl
14:52 < rick111> agavi sucks ass
14:53 < Macen> rick111: you got facebook?
14:53 < rick111> lol no
14:53 < Macen> you suck
14:53 < Whisller> I saw your code...can I also be your friend? ;)
14:53 < impl> haha
14:54 < andresj> and me? lol
14:55 < Whisller> Choose me!
14:55 < Whisller> :D
14:55 < MikeSeth> you guys all have a problem
14:55 < MikeSeth> no tits
14:55 < MikeSeth> i cant even properly treat you like objects
14:56 < impl> one can fix that
14:56 < rick111> me skegness bird asked if I had face book, I was no. no way girl, i no geek
14:56 < MikeSeth> um
14:56 < Whisller> :D
14:56 < MikeSeth> i wouldnt call that a "fix"
14:56 < MikeSeth> "fix" is more meant to.. "fix" things
14:56 < Macen> rick111: you is geek you  
14:56 < Macen> rick111: you're in DENIAL !
14:56 < Macen> rick111: facebook yourself you'll love it
14:57 < MikeSeth> in soviet russia, facebook joins YOU
14:57 < rick111> i don't av enough real friends, she thinks im cool atm, facebook would ruin my entire credability
14:57 < Macen> haha
14:57 < rick111> friends: 2
14:57 < Macen> if you don't have enough real friends, add fake ones :p
14:58 < rick111> that's including you
14:58 < Macen> lol
14:58 < Wombert> chchch
14:58 < andresj> just create your own social site in which you have lots of friends
14:59 < Macen> "SRSLY. I AM NOT GEEK. LOOK AT MY BOOKFACE SITE!"
14:59 < Whisller> It's time to leave. -> dinner, cinema, beer, eclipse ;)
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14:59 < marklar|omni> he had it good until eclipse.
14:59 < rick111> if she ever googles my name though, ryan partington, she'll actually see how geeky i am
15:00 < rick111> but i don't think she's at googling standards, i hope not
15:00 < Macen> she probably just wants your cock
15:00 < Macen> and isn't even bothered
15:01 < rick111> t's true
15:01 < impl> get a roooom
15:01  * Macen back to w o r k 
15:02 < rick111> i'm a finely tuned killing machine
15:04 < Wombert> do you guys all have no jobs or something :p
15:04 < Macen> tis true
15:05  * Macen gives $self a verbal warning 
15:05 < rick111> im leaving soon
15:05 < rick111> so im kinda just hanging around, pretending to work
15:06 < MikeSeth> oh
15:06 < MikeSeth> you're an originalist
15:06 < MikeSeth> yay never-been-done-at-work-before stuff
15:06 < MikeSeth> ;>
15:07 < impl> Why does everyone on ##php think that they are smart
15:07 < impl> :(
15:08 < rick111> lol everyone on irc think they're smart
15:08 < rick111> i can't stand irc attitudes
15:08 < Macen> Bobby_easland makes me wanna put my hand through the computer and physically assault him
15:08 < impl> rick111: EFnet is better, our PHP channel is like this: 11:06:25 < Alexx> my mom is a pinguin
15:09 < Macen> i went in the other day and asked how good is google translate for an on-the-fly translation solution for text entered into a CMS, and he suggested i use gettext
15:09 < Macen> omg feck off 
15:09 < MikeSeth> impl: because if they don't, I'll have no one to yell at
15:09 < MikeSeth> paradox
15:09 < impl> MikeSeth: lawl
15:10 < rick111> lol impl
15:10 < impl> MikeSeth: You could complain about that in #php.pecl on EFnet
15:10 < impl> They might ban you, though.
15:10 < Macen> efnet...
15:11 < Macen> not been on there in agesss
15:11 < Macen> #php on irc.netgamers.org is quite kewl
15:12 < Macen> but not very php orientated 
15:12 < impl> I find the less PHP-oriented a PHP channel is, the more the people in it actually know about programming
15:12 < impl> This is not a coincidence
15:12 < Macen> that's because it's all been said before 
15:12 < MikeSeth> that's why there's #phpc
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15:12 < MikeSeth> and why they never invite noobs over there
15:12 < Macen> freenode is the only network i know which is good for learning and stuff
15:13 < impl> Freenode's larger channels are full of idiots.
15:13 < Macen> bah
15:13 < Macen> they take a bit of egtting used too
15:13 < impl> No, they're just full of idiots.
15:13 < Macen> it's 'cause so many noobs go in there you never get an easy ride
15:13 < Macen> by there i mean large chans
15:14 < impl> an easy ride?
15:14 < Macen> liek, if you ask a question, you have to first explain that yes you do know what a conditional statement is..etc..
15:15 < Macen> but ya no good for chat chans..
15:15 < impl> Oh. No, because the idiots are the ones who answer your questions too.
15:15 < MikeSeth> noob friendly channels = terrorism
15:15 < marklar|omni> so..
15:15 < Macen> you can tell which are the newer chans or languages, the less arrogant the regulars are, the newer the language 
15:15 < marklar|omni> i herd u liek mudkipz.
15:16 < impl> Macen: Freenode doesn't work that way :(
15:16 < Macen> possibly :(
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15:19 < andresj> well in a more agavi-related note, do you think i should use the route name for the stylesheet? ("login" route, /stylesheets/login.css). and how do i do that? :)
15:21 < Wombert> do you need that many stylesheets?
15:21 < Wombert> hm
15:21 < Wombert> I'd set the stylesheet to use in the view
15:22 < andresj> haha no i dont need that many. probably only 1-2 pages will need special stylsheet
15:22 < andresj> mm.. ic ic like a $template['value'], right?
15:24 < andresj> Wombert: btw what's /pub/modpub for?
15:24 < Wombert> ignore it :>
15:25 < Wombert> andresj: I'd do it via request attributes maybe, not template vars... doesn't make much of a difference tho
15:26 < andresj> Wombert: how do you do it via request attributes? Both things seem to clash. $this->setAttribute('stylesheet', 'index.css'); in the view, $template['stylesheet'] in the template
15:27 < Wombert> request, not on the view!
15:27 < Wombert> and in a dedicated template var, of course
15:27 < Wombert> err sorry
15:27 < Wombert> oh man
15:27 < Wombert> in a dedicated namespace I mean
15:28 < Wombert> $this->rq->appendAttribute('css', 'foo.css', 'com.acme.project.frontend.layout');
15:28 < Wombert> or so
15:28 < Wombert> the advantage of this is that even slots can set attributes in the namespace
15:28 < Wombert> *into
15:29 < andresj> mm... oh that's cool! it would be handy to have slots add stylesheets too. can i use arrays instead of a string there?    and its $rq['css'] from the template, right?
15:30 < andresj> oh never mind about the array thing :)
15:31 < Wombert> appendAttribute does tht
15:32 < Wombert> and foreach($rq->getAttributes('css', 'com.acme.project.frontend.layout', array()) as $css) {} then
15:32 < Wombert> third value is default return value
15:32 < andresj> yah i got it from the name :)              oh cool! thanks Wombert
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15:37 < andresj> hey from the view i can get the response, but not the request. :S
15:37 < Wombert> $this->rq ?
15:37 < Wombert> oh you have to assign that
15:37 < andresj> that wont work.
15:37 < Wombert> in your project base view initialize()
15:37 < Wombert> I assumed you had that, sorry :)
15:38 < Wombert> initialize(), call parent first!
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15:38 < Wombert> then $this->rq = $this->getContext()->getRequest() and so on
15:38 < Wombert> I have $this->rq, $this->tm and $this->ro
15:38 < andresj> :) maybe it would be better to do getRequest instead of rq? to adhere more
15:38 < Wombert> well but that's cumbersome to type
15:38 < andresj> true true.
15:38 < Wombert> and it's a method call every single time
15:39 < andresj> hey how do u call the parent? :/ haven't done class programming in php for a long time
15:40 < Macen> YEY
15:40 < Macen> an OOP newbie
15:40  * Macen fluffles andresj 
15:40 < Macen> you can be my new friend 
15:40 < andresj> lol
15:41 < Macen> i didn't come from another framework, either
15:41 < andresj> i come from Django
15:41 < impl> andresj: parent::foo()
15:41 < andresj> (Python)
15:41 < andresj> thanks impl :)
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15:47 < _cheerios> from django to agavi? interesting :)
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15:55 < andresj> Wombert r u der? :)
15:58 < Wombert> parent::initialize()
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15:58 < andresj> Wombert: oh i got that :)    but $rq->getAttributes() doesnt work. it says in the api docs that it only accepts the namespace as argument
15:59 < Wombert> oh
15:59 < Wombert> ,an
15:59 < Wombert> I meant getAttribute()
16:00 < andresj> oh lol :) k thanks its a little confusing :)
16:05 < rick111> XXX
16:05 < rick111> all that work, all that training, and for what.. kissy lips, fancy trainers
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16:15 < rick111> i am going climbing
16:16 < rick111> \o/
16:16 < rick111> bye
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16:45 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: hear?
16:46 < Wombert> headaches+works+tired=fale
16:46 < marklar|omni> yes
16:46 < marklar|omni> agreed.
16:51 < Macen> massive permissions fail ..
16:51 < Macen> Wombert: mac os x file perms same as linux ya?
16:53 < Macen> mmmmmmh
16:53 < Macen> what is happening....................
16:54 < Macen> i need a way to execute a file permissions script server side
16:54 < Macen> remotely 
16:54 < Macen> without lynx
16:56 < Macen> as root
16:56 < Macen> hmm..
16:58 < Macen> OR
16:58 < Macen> ahahahah
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17:19 < Macen> ah..
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18:02 < _cheerios> uh huh. 235 HTTP requests to load the mainpage. this needs some tweaking.
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18:37 < impl> JUST A LITTLE.
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18:40 < Macen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfIY24BErBE
18:40 < Macen> ze poor germans !
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18:43 < MiNiMEE> howdy folks!
18:45 < MiNiMEE> any1 here that has experience with nginx and running agavi on it?
18:46 < Wombert> that's a load balancer, right?
18:46 < Wombert> you having problems?
18:47 < Wombert> MiNiMEE?
18:47 < MiNiMEE> nope, it's a httpd ... like apache or lighty ...
18:47 < MiNiMEE> most russian high traffic sites run on nginx
18:50 < MiNiMEE> on mtv.de we are having problems with simple stuff like gzip compression on outbound datastreams and other performance issues ... currently it's all running on apache, but i am testing other httpd's like lighty and currently nginx ...
18:52 < MiNiMEE> nginx has a very low footprint and is hilariously fast!!!! .. really ... it's a matter getting the right setup and i tought that maybe someone in here could share some experience with agavi on nginx (if present) ...
18:53 < Wombert> I'm afraid not
18:54 < Wombert> sevenload runs lighty and they're quite happy with it
18:54 < _cheerios> we run lighty at work for agavi+django, and apache for webdav + file uploads.
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18:59 < _cheerios> FU FACEBOOK. I TRY TO GIVE YOU A FEW MINUTES AND YOU LET ME DOWN. Transport error (#1001) while retrieving data from endpoint `/ajax/reqs.php': A network error occurred. Check that you are connected to the internet.
19:01 < MiNiMEE> facebook sucks, period.
19:04 < Macen> whatever you just did DID NOT SAVE
19:04 < Macen> those messages are fail but so funny
19:05 < impl> OH MAN
19:05 < impl> I FORGOT TO BUY M&MS
19:06 < Macen> hahaha
19:07 < Macen> i may be using M&S tommorrow o.O or wednesday o.O.o and when i do i'll be blowing close to £2k on server technology \o/ o.O.o.O.o
19:07 < Macen> they sell mac's!!
19:07 < Macen> (m&s)
19:07 < Macen> their mobile site is actually quite good so i decided to try buying it through there
19:07 < Macen> if it works fair play to them
19:08 < Macen> so £2.5k in one day
19:08 < Macen> for server + laptop
19:08 < Macen> quite looking forward to that tbh
19:13 < marklar|omni> MiNiMEE: get a bigip f5.
19:13 < marklar|omni> er, f5 bigip.
19:13 < marklar|omni> problem solved.
19:15 < MiNiMEE> but that's no httpd ..
19:15 < marklar|omni> yes, but it will solve most of your problems
19:15 < marklar|omni> :D
19:19 < _cheerios> CHOOOOOCOLAAAATE RAAAAAAIN
19:19 < marklar|omni> waht.
19:20 < marklar|omni> MiNiMEE: I run agavi w/lighty and fastcgi and it's pretty fast... I assume nginx doesn't have dso support?
19:20 < _cheerios> googl it, you'll hate me
19:20 < marklar|omni> n
19:20 < marklar|omni> leeching off of neighbour's wifi
19:20 < marklar|omni> barely have bw for ssh
19:20 < marklar|omni> stupid router overheating or something
19:22 < MiNiMEE> donno about dso support in nginx
19:22 < marklar|omni> so you're running off of fcgi?
19:36 < MiNiMEE> y
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19:39 < Whisller> re
19:40 < marklar|omni> sup
19:40 < marklar|omni> MiNiMEE: then it's just a matter of tweaking maxprocs/maxchildren
19:41 < MiNiMEE> nope ... that's not my problem at all ... getting our agaiv project to run is ...
19:42 < marklar|omni> elaborate plz
19:42 < Whisller> I was in cinema on Wall.E Nice movie.
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20:29 < Whisller> MikeSeth: Couple of days ago, you said about article/s for agavi. Did you finished these?
20:29 < Whisller> *it
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20:35 < Macen> he's writing the docs
20:35 < Macen> best to wait methinks 
20:37 < Macen> i reckons Wombert will have to go over them too
20:37 < Macen> or add too them
20:40 < Macen> dunno if any of the devs are going to be contributing examples or not
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20:44 < rick111> Macen lol
20:44 < rick111> you live here :D
20:44 < Macen> heheh
20:45 < rick111> where about in UK are ya?
20:45 < Macen> little town called Clitheroe
20:45 < rick111> next to what city?
20:46 < Macen> http://prelaunch.youds.com/About/About-the-company
20:46 < Macen> Manc/Liverpool/Preston
20:46 < rick111> ah right, so you are near
20:47 < rick111> (to me)
20:47 < Macen> ya, 40mins up the motor way 
20:48 < rick111> no more abuse for you then
20:48 < rick111> don't want ya knocking on my door
20:49 < Macen> rofl
20:49  * Macen does ip lookup
20:49 < Macen> ohh ;)
20:49 < Macen> no word of a lie, that *has* happened to me
20:50 < Macen> admittedly we were part of a "hosting company" selling irc bnc's
20:50 < Macen> one of the staffers turned up on my doorstep
20:50 < Macen> liek...go away lol
20:50 < rick111> lol
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21:28 < _cheerios> KEEP ON FALLING, NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU CALLING SO YOU ENDUP SELFDESTRUCTNG 
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00:41 < Macen> roar
00:42 < Macen> be aware :>
00:42 < Macen> and so forth
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01:51 < Macen> tick tick boom
01:52 < Macen> bah humbug
01:52 < Macen> no moneys yet :|
01:52 < Macen> adios all
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06:06 < Whisller> huomenta
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06:31 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:33 < Wombert> huomenta v-dogg 
06:34 < v-dogg> hey
06:35  * v-dogg loves his eee pc
06:35 < v-dogg> and free wlans in the hotels :)
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06:51 < Rendez> morning
07:35 < MikeSeth> huomenta
07:36 < ttj> Wait a minute, is Wombert in Munich?
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09:56 < rick111> yes
09:56 < rick111> i have, in fact, returned
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10:04 < Macen> wb
10:11 < rick111> i thank you
10:12 < rick111> a bird cancelled a coffee meeting at startbucks today, was going to talk about setting up a PHP social group in the north west
10:12 < rick111> bummer
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10:14 < Macen> bah, there goes your plan
10:18 < rick111> she txt me and said we'd re-arrange
10:18 < rick111> bloody woke me up
10:30 < rick111> Fun things you can do on Lunix "Keep your virginity"
10:31 < rick111> actually, out of context, it don't work
10:31 < rick111> sorry about that guys, ill grab my coat
10:44 < rick111> http://ryanpartington.com/fish/article/dont_waste_time.html
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11:04 < marklar|omni> oh waht
11:05 < marklar|omni> 13:12 < rick111> a bird cancelled a coffee meeting 
11:05 < marklar|omni> wtf do you mean by "bird"
11:05 < marklar|omni> are you some sort of pervert?
11:05 < impl> in UK English, bird == girl
11:05 < impl> weird fuckers, I know
11:05 < marklar|omni> so theoretically
11:05 < marklar|omni> a bird can ask you for a fag?
11:06 < impl> Yeah
11:06 < impl> Of course you keep them in your flat so you'll have to take the lift
11:06 < marklar|omni> x_x
11:06 < marklar|omni> and you keep the dead bodies in the boot
11:06 < marklar|omni> topgear taught me that much
11:07 < impl> lawl
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11:18 < marklar|omni> lalala
11:18 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: PLZ TO DOCUMENTIFY TEH NOOZ OKTHX
11:21 < rick111> marklar|omni a GIRL
11:22 < rick111> woooowoooooooooooooooo
11:22 < rick111> i hope she's hot
11:22 < marklar|omni> hot and dead
11:22 < marklar|omni> like a real bird.
11:22 < rick111> dead eh
11:23 < rick111> naaa
11:27 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: OHZOMK
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11:44 < rick111> feed the goat guys, did you like/agree with article or what?
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11:49 < _cheerios> title was gibberish. i stopped reading there.
11:50 < MikeSeth> wat
11:54 < rick111> awesome
11:54 < rick111> you too young anyhow _cheerios
11:55 < MikeSeth> <?php // $_GET['debug_mixing'] = 1;
11:55 < MikeSeth> //closed be -=KeiN=-
11:55 < MikeSeth> #error_reporting(0);
11:55 < MikeSeth> KILL
11:56 < _cheerios> rick111: what, you like 40 and writing like that?
11:56 < rick111> no
11:56 < rick111> JACK ASS
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12:06 < impl> ...
12:07 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: ZOMG
12:07 < MikeSeth> there was another terrorist act in Jerusalem
12:07 < impl> DID SOMEONE MIX PICKLES WITH HOT DOG BUNS?!
12:23 < marklar|omni> ya
12:23 < marklar|omni> heh
12:24 < marklar|omni> mmm picklez
12:24 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: 
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12:24 < marklar|omni> do you haz ur own svn
12:24 < marklar|omni> or do you want to put nooz on my new vps
12:24 < marklar|omni> it haz pgsql :D
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12:36 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: i has svn
12:36 < MikeSeth> http://equiliberate.org/?q=node/3
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12:48 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: lol, nice
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13:28 < marklar|omni> duuuuuuuuuuuuuugh
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14:51 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: MURDER
14:51 < MikeSeth> http://m0n0.ch/wall/
14:51 < MikeSeth> "m0n0wall is probably the first UNIX system that has its boot-time configuration done with PHP, rather than the usual shell scripts, and that has the entire system configuration stored in XML format."
14:52 < impl> FreeBSD isn't UNIX
14:52 < impl> :~
14:53 < marklar|omni> hahahaha
14:54 < marklar|omni> impl: technically, it kinda is
14:54 < marklar|omni> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Unix_history-simple.svg
14:54 < impl> marklar|omni: Yeah, but it's not ZOMG CERTIFIED
14:55 < impl> lawl segfaulted konqueror
14:55 < impl> :x
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15:04 < _cheerios> fu marklar|omni and your browser killing links :)
15:04 < Macen> 263: LIST Server load is temporarily too heavy. Please wait a while and try again.
15:04 < Macen> woah..
15:04 < Macen> never seen that before
15:06 < impl> It happens all the time and it means what it says
15:07 < marklar|omni> fale
15:09 < MikeSeth> aidsy
15:12 < rick111> HELO
15:12 < rick111> rcpt to: all
15:12 < rick111> mail from: ryan
15:15 < kapitan> hi 
15:15 < kapitan> ive got a question
15:15 < kapitan> i made an admin module and modifyCategory action in which i have some methods like: executeAdd, executeRemove, etc.. to manage my categories
15:15 < kapitan> and my question is is it a good practice to make it that way
15:16 < kapitan> or should i make seperate actions for everything
15:19 < MikeSeth> kapitan: it isn't a very good practice but you certainly can use it if all the methods pertain to the same logical action
15:20 < MikeSeth> cuz really editing/adding/deleting items are different actions and should be implemented as such
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15:21 < kapitan> i thought it would be nice to keep them together
15:21 < kapitan> becouse the number of actions in my admin is growing so fast
15:24 < MikeSeth> kapitan: start using subactions
15:24 < MikeSeth> someone plz explain him i have to go
15:24 < kapitan> thanks mike
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16:56 < Whisller> re
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17:41 < impl> MikeSeth: poek
17:44 < Macen> bop
17:45 < Macen> bee
17:45 < Macen> boo
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18:13 < _cheerios> ANNA SEN SOIDA ANNA SEN SOIDA
18:19 < _cheerios> v-dogg: the guy who stabbed that 14-yo looks like a mental case
18:20 < _cheerios> good job parents :|
18:25 < marklar|omni> ohai niglets
18:26 < impl> marklar|omni: ohai
18:32 < _cheerios> beerfloating
18:32 < _cheerios> = kaljakellunta. http://www.hs.fi/kaupunki/artikkeli/Kaljakellunta+toteutuu+poliisin+toiveista+huolimatta/1135238038219
18:33 < marklar|omni> finnish is funny
18:33  * marklar|omni listed to Korpiklaani a while ago
18:33 < marklar|omni> impl: sup
18:37 < marklar|omni> er
18:37 < marklar|omni> brainfart.
18:42 < marklar|omni> can't #782 be solved with mb_detect_encoding()?
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18:58 < marklar|omni> http://depot.mark.org.il/atv/?%D7%96%D7%91%D7%9C=%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%90
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19:16 < ttj> Wombert: You're in Munich, right?
19:17 < impl> marklar|omni: I put a ü in the query string and it still says ASCII. It has to be decoded first
19:19 < Wombert> ttj: yeah
19:19 < Wombert> why
19:20 < ttj> Beer?
19:20 < Wombert> oh
19:20 < Wombert> you coming?
19:20 < ttj> Maybe in October.
19:20 < Wombert> for oktoberfest? :>
19:21 < ttj> Wow, hadn't thought about that, but... :P
19:21 < Wombert> you down here for business or what
19:21 < ttj> Actually, Lufthansa is flying there and back to Helsinki for 89e.
19:21 < ttj> Nah.
19:21 < Wombert> ya
19:21 < ttj> I've successfully avoided all business travel abroad. \o/
19:21 < ttj> But we do have some NSN friends down in Munich.
19:24 < Wombert> I know :p
19:24 < Wombert> their offices are in the middle of nowheres
19:24 < Wombert> very uncool
19:24 < Wombert> well, almost
19:25 < ttj> Hmm... Oct 4th?
19:26 < marklar|omni> impl: mhz
19:28 < Wombert> ttj: sure, but be advised I can't offer you a place to stay
19:33 < ttj> No problem.
19:35 < marklar|omni> impl: all utf-8 
19:35 < marklar|omni> now :<
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19:44 < Wombert> cool ttj 
19:44 < Wombert> looking forward to meeting you
19:44 < Wombert> just remember to remind me in time :>
19:44 < Wombert> home ->
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05:55 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:02 < marklar|omni> awassah
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06:17 < Whisller> Huomenta
06:18 < marklar|omni> sup
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06:20 < _cheerios> jogging to work, recommended!
06:20 < Whisller> hmm
06:20 < Whisller> Yes, I have about 6 km or more ;p
06:21 < marklar|omni> _cheerios: my commute is 75km in each direction
06:21 < marklar|omni> :<
06:21 < Whisller> marklar|omni: oh
06:22 < _cheerios> marklar|omni: giving up already?
06:23 < marklar|omni> heh
06:23 < marklar|omni> I'll jog from the parking lot to the office :D
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07:52 < marklar|omni> ahh, excellent
07:52 < marklar|omni> eclipse ftw
07:55 < marklar|omni> hrm
07:55 < marklar|omni> the login action generated by "agavi project"
07:55 < marklar|omni> in the old build sys
07:56 < marklar|omni> does not inherit from projectbaseaction
07:56 < marklar|omni> why?
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08:02 < Yossi> Huomenta
08:13 < marklar|omni> ohai
08:16 < Yossi> I has problem :/
08:18 < Yossi> I try to send a url through ajax that has a plus (+) charcter in it - and for some reason it gets replaced with a space when it's posted through ajax... I do use escape() in js to supposedly  encode it 
08:19 < Whisller> Did you tried encodeURIComponent ?
08:19 < Yossi> nope... checking
08:21 < Yossi> Yey, It works thanks Whisller :) !
08:22 < Whisller> Where is a beer for me ;)
08:24  * Yossi Gives beer to Whisller, cheers!
08:40 < MikeSeth> impl: ohai
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10:26 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
10:28 < kapitan> hi
10:28 < kapitan> anybody could tell me how to use subactions?
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10:51 < kapitan> its something like you can group actions in folders, right?
10:52 < kapitan> if so, how do you use routing then?
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11:15 < MikeSeth> kapitan: just use a .
11:15 < MikeSeth> e.g. name the action Foo.Bar
11:15 < MikeSeth> this will create Foo/ and Foo/BarAction.class.php
11:17 < kapitan> <route name="categories" pattern="^/categories" module="Admin" action="Categories">
11:17 < kapitan> 					<route name=".add" pattern="^/add/({id:[0-9]+})" action="Categories.Add" />
11:17 < kapitan> like that?
11:18 < MikeSeth> I think so, I don't normally use these
11:18 < kapitan> so subactions are just for grouping
11:18 < kapitan> nothing else?
11:19 < MikeSeth> yeah
11:19 < MikeSeth> theyre actions just like everything else except they go in their own subdirectories
11:19 < kapitan> ok thanks i got it working
11:19 < MikeSeth> ;>
11:26 < marklar|omni> :D~
11:26 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: NOOZPLZOKTHC
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13:27 < kaos|work_> http://code.google.com/apis/protocolbuffers/docs/overview.html
13:27 < rick111> sup friends
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13:58 < MikeSeth> http://www.htmlist.com/development/php-enterprise-patterns-application-service/ ownt.
14:02 < impl> MikeSeth: I think he is intentionally not conforming to MVC
14:03 < MikeSeth> yes, but that's because he doesn't understand it and wants to "improve" it
14:04 < impl> I don't think his idea is too awful
14:04 < impl> It seems to resemble the plugin architecture that people want to see in Agavi
14:05 < impl> I mean, really, his idea is just another model
14:05 < MerlinDMC> hmm ... seems to be a bad question ... but what has IIS to do with Databases?
14:09 < MikeSeth> impl: yep
14:09 < MikeSeth> impl: he thinks that models are DALs, and so they need to be moved behind DALs, which is the purest MVC
14:09 < MikeSeth> so he just defines the DAL layer for MVC
14:09 < MikeSeth> completely unnecessary
14:11 < rick111> ignore me them, like i care
14:11 < rick111> then
14:13 < impl> MikeSeth: Yeah, /shrug
14:15 < MikeSeth> rick111: o noes
14:15 < MikeSeth> rick111: want hug?
14:18 < rick111> yus pls
14:18 < rick111> i'm sensitive man
14:19 < MikeSeth> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ rick111 }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
14:21 < impl> GAYDAR BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEPEPBPEPBPEPEPP
14:22 < MikeSeth> um
14:22 < MikeSeth> impl
14:22 < MikeSeth> just so that you know
14:22 < MikeSeth> gaydar is something gay people have
14:23 < impl> wat
14:23 < impl> fuck I'm gay and I didn't even know
14:23 < impl> :((
14:23 < MikeSeth> impl: gaydar is gays' ability to identify other men as gay while everyone else wouldn't
14:23 < rick111> LOL
14:23 < rick111> 'had'
14:24 < impl> MikeSeth: do they have a secret cockshake or something
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14:24 < MikeSeth> impl: dunno
14:24 < MikeSeth> maybe
14:24 < MikeSeth> don't go there ;>
14:24 < impl> :X
14:25 < rick111> ahhhhh is :x a kiss, or closed mouth?
14:25 < rick111> i've been using it as a kiss ya see...
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14:26 < MikeSeth> Macen: say BEEP BEEP BEEP
14:30 < rick111> ANSWERS PLEASE
14:30 < rick111> is ":x" A KISS OR SHUT MOUTH?
14:30 < MikeSeth> rick111: did the balls touch?
14:30 < rick111> i find, caps helps when you're being ignorned
14:31 < rick111> balls slapped her ass, yes
14:34 < marklar|omni> longest meeting evar
14:35 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: can has nooz?
14:35 < marklar|omni> I shall pester you indefinitely btw
14:35 < marklar|omni> :<
14:36 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: oh lawd. yes, you can has nooz. but not when im in teh offic
14:37 < marklar|omni> mk
14:40 < rick111> is ":x" A KISS OR SHUT MOUTH?
14:40 < rick111> is ":x" A KISS OR SHUT MOUTH?
14:40 < rick111> is ":x" A KISS OR SHUT MOUTH?
14:40 < rick111> spam helps an all
14:40 < rick111> straight out the IRC RULEBOOK
14:42 < impl> Don't do that.
14:42 < Macen> BEEP BEEP BEEP ??
14:42 < Macen> BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
14:43 < impl> heh
14:43 < Macen> omg DICTATORSHIP ALERT
14:43 < Macen> IT'S A DICTATORSHIP
14:43 < Macen> FUCKING RUN
14:43 < Macen> lol
14:45 < impl> Sorry, I'm not good at dealing with stupidity.
14:45 < Macen> hahah
14:46 < Macen> I am very open about my feelings
14:46 < Macen> can't help it :<
14:48 < impl> MikeSeth: do you happen to know what the officially-recommended order for applying transformations and doing validation on XML documents is?
14:48 < impl> I can't find it anywhere in the XMLSchema spec
14:48 < MikeSeth> you mean in XSLT?
14:49 < MikeSeth> I dont think there's any official order other than XSLT behaviour
14:49 < impl> ah
14:51 < impl> MikeSeth: We're working on the refactored XML-only config system right now, and we're going to have a two-step transformation: once for document-level stylesheets (<?xml-stylesheet ...?>) and once for the Agavi-level stylesheets once all the config files are combined into one Document
14:51 < impl> so we're going to add validation hooks pre- and post- each of those transformations. Sound reasonable?
14:57 < MikeSeth> is crazy!
14:57 < impl> D:
15:16 < rick111> do you all not understand the question
15:16 < rick111> or making a decesion to ignore me?
15:17 < Macen> ignoring you clearly !
15:17 < Macen> hahah
15:17 < Macen> (what's the question)
15:18 < rick111> is ":x" A KISS OR SHUT MOUTH?
15:18 < impl> rick111: We're just not obligated to answer anything so ridiculous
15:18 < impl> Go ask #teenchat or something
15:18 < marklar|omni> #hottub :<
15:18 < rick111> it's empty you batty
15:18 < Macen> mmh
15:18 < Macen> :x
15:19 < rick111> it feels like a kiss
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15:24 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: 
15:24 < marklar|omni> drizzle: y/n?
15:24 < marklar|omni> https://launchpad.net/drizzle
15:24 < kaos|work_> fail
15:25 < kaos|work_> can has sqlite for flat file interface kthxbai
15:26 < marklar|omni> n
15:26 < marklar|omni> want massive conc
15:26 < marklar|omni> :D
15:26 < kaos|work_> buy a cray ;p
15:26 < impl> http://www.baronet4tibet.com/images/artifacts_statuary/cnch_hrn/conch_main.JPG
15:26 < impl> CONC[h]
15:42 < marklar|omni> wtf is that
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15:44 < impl> marklar|omni: a conch shell
15:45 < impl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conch
15:51 < marklar|omni> heh cool
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15:54 < Greg> hey guys!
15:54 < Greg> I wanted to add some caching features to my framework... just wondering if you guys use memcache in any way.
15:54 < marklar|omni> yeah, a little
15:54 < impl> It is planned: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Feature/Caching
15:55 < Greg> I am thinking of how to design a way
15:55 < Greg> to implement caching for components / views that don't change frequently.
15:55 < Greg> Kind of like an incrementing version number, maybe.
15:56 < impl> how about an expiry time
15:58 < Greg> well i dont know when it would expire
16:00 < impl> Then make it indefinite and only update the cache on write
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16:05 < Macen> http://www.macwarehouse.co.uk/ are using digitarad's mootools plugin heh
16:07 < impl> It looks to m e like they're using jquery
16:07 < impl> me
16:13 < Macen> ya
16:13 < Macen> i saw
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16:59 < Macen> bought teh server
16:59 < Macen> went from a DL160 with 6GB RAM
16:59 < Macen> s/from/for
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16:59 < Macen> with remote backup chip
16:59 < fholmstrom> yo bitchez
16:59 < fholmstrom> long time no see
16:59  * fholmstrom has been on vacation
16:59 < Macen> now laptop :>
17:00 < impl> fholmstrom: heyo
17:00 < fholmstrom> yo impl 
17:00 < fholmstrom> i havnt written one line of code in like a month now, feels awesome ;D
17:02 < impl> hah
17:02 < fholmstrom> vacation = win
17:02 < fholmstrom> just started work again this monday
17:02 < impl> Where did you go?
17:03 < fholmstrom> oh, didnt go anywhere.. did a couple of festivals here in sweden but mostly just hang out with my mates partying (alot of alcohol, drugs and sex with a lot of different people)
17:03 < fholmstrom> think i gotta go test myself for a various STDs tbh
17:04 < impl> lawl
17:04 < fholmstrom> i should've started my work monday last week
17:04 < fholmstrom> but i was so burned out from all partying I had to take one more week of vacation
17:04 < fholmstrom> to rest ;p
17:04 < impl> Nice :>
17:05 < fholmstrom> and soon it's pride here in sweden
17:05 < fholmstrom> will be frekin awesome
17:05 < impl> Pride?
17:05 < fholmstrom> u dont know the Pride festival?
17:05 < impl> I don't think so
17:05 < fholmstrom> like THE gay festival (no im not gay, but its lots of fun) of the year in all of europe
17:05 < fholmstrom> the festival is lots of fun, that is
17:06 < impl> Oh, cool
17:06 < fholmstrom> ye me and my mate got a couple of Gs of magic K to split and then go downtown ;p
17:06 < fholmstrom> will be frekin awesome
17:07 < impl> oh, btw, you're in Sweden right?
17:07 < impl> yeah
17:07 < impl> You did mention that
17:07 < impl> Whereabouts?
17:07 < fholmstrom> ye from sweden
17:07 < fholmstrom> stockhoml (capital)
17:08 < fholmstrom> stockholm, even.
17:08 < impl> I'll probably be there on Sunday or so
17:08 < impl> if you'd like to have a beer or smth
17:08 < fholmstrom> lol awesome, what u up to?
17:08 < impl> Just visiting some other friends, I'm going to be staying near Gothenburg but he said we could make a trip down to Stockholm
17:09 < fholmstrom> take my cellphone nr, 0702 68 19 29 (if ur calling from within sweden) or +46 702 68 19 29 from outside
17:09 < impl> (because I want to see Europe ;)
17:09 < impl> kk, one second
17:09 < fholmstrom> and give me a call if you ever drop into sthlm
17:09 < fholmstrom> doesnt matter what the clock is or what u r up to, always enjoy meeting new people :)
17:10 < impl> hah, awesome
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17:12 < fholmstrom> and if i sound confused when I answer just say your impl from #agavi on irc and ill get it, i recently lost my old cellphone and all my numbers in it so i still get alot of calls from unkown numbers.
17:13 < fholmstrom> or well i "lost my phone" = i threw it into a brick wall two weeks ago or so
17:13 < impl> oh, nicely done
17:13 < fholmstrom> ye, dont rememberwhy but i remember i was scared of it for some reason
17:13 < fholmstrom> so i tried to kill it
17:18 < impl> I see. Acid? :D
17:18 < fholmstrom> nah, speed semi-trip
17:19 < fholmstrom> i get really really paranoid and wierd on speed sometimes
17:19 < impl> Cool
17:19 < fholmstrom> no its not cool ;p it blows, but well ;P
17:19 < impl> Oh, well never having done any hard drugs, I find it cool :> sorry
17:20 < fholmstrom> dont do much drugs anymore, thought.. but looking forward to my ketamine during pride ;P
17:20 < impl> :>>
17:21 < fholmstrom> ah well 'nuff of the drug talk;p
17:24 < fholmstrom> anyway would be cool to meet up and share a couple of beers if u get into sthlm
17:25 < Macen> heh
17:26 < Macen> everything makes me paranoid these days :>
17:26 < Macen> not worth it no more
17:26 < Macen> never tried ketamine but i hear it's pretty wild
17:26 < fholmstrom> u done K ?
17:26 < fholmstrom> ah ;p
17:26 < Macen> lsd is heavy
17:26 < Macen> done lsd
17:27 < fholmstrom> ye, one of the last things i havn't done = K
17:27 < Macen> it's a very quick come down i hear
17:27 < Macen> one minute you're dancing around like a fanny, next you're like "woah wtf"
17:27 < fholmstrom> yes the main rush is onlye 15-20minutes long
17:27 < Macen> best to just leave at that point :p
17:27 < Macen> yeah
17:28 < Macen> used to take E's that had K in them, (rolex') but never went into a hole afaik
17:28 < fholmstrom> you need alot of K to get into the mythical hole
17:28 < fholmstrom> like 200mg or so i think, not sure
17:28 < Macen> dunno, i hear you just don't really know what you're doing 
17:28 < fholmstrom> ofc. depends on person, etc.
17:29 < Macen> ya
17:29 < Macen> i don't bother with it anymore
17:29 < Macen> can't handle it no more
17:29 < fholmstrom> well K works so that it shuts down some parts of your brain, mostly the parts that have with motoric skills, movement, talking, etc. to do and enhances other parts that have to do with your senses,
17:30 < Macen> i do occasionally take E's on a night out.. but nothing like i used too
17:30 < fholmstrom> i've tried most things,but my big "demon" is speed without a doubt, used to be a real speed junkie untill i was awake for like a week, OD:ed, got a psychosis and then ambulance, etc ;P
17:31 < Macen> haha
17:31 < Macen> how many days?
17:31 < fholmstrom> or well junkie might be the wrong word, but ive done a lot of speed
17:31 < fholmstrom> 6 days
17:31 < fholmstrom> without sleep
17:31 < Macen> really? woah
17:31 < Macen> that's not long
17:31 < Macen> for psychosis i mean :p
17:31 < fholmstrom> oh the psychosis
17:31 < fholmstrom> well, the main part was only a couple of hours
17:31 < fholmstrom> but im still not fully out of it no
17:32 < Macen> haha
17:32 < fholmstrom> i was awake 6 days to a week on speed
17:32 < Macen> they got you on meds still?
17:32 < fholmstrom> nope
17:32 < Macen> bah they can't be worried then
17:32 < fholmstrom> im 99% fine, i just have a bit of a "out of body"-feeling left that is constant and ill prolly never get rid of
17:32 < Macen> mate of mine went through it
17:32 < Macen> it's an ordeal, he won't be the same
17:33 < Macen> but that was less to do with drugs :p
17:33 < Macen> and more to do with him being a fuckup
17:33 < fholmstrom> no well, i mean im not the same as I was then, but I havn't changed that much.. but I have changed, and Im aware of it, and it kinda sucks.
17:33 < fholmstrom> but its not so much that it bothers me
17:33 < Macen> he still talks about it so that's why you notice it
17:34 < Macen> i had a bad acid trip, they blamed that on speed
17:34 < Whisller> Sory but I must interrupt yours really interesting talk ;p How I can set a appender of logger which will be use to log an message?
17:34 < fholmstrom> ouch, bad acid is... bad.
17:34 < Macen> yep
17:35 < Whisller> *conversation
17:35 < fholmstrom> have a friend of mine or well.. "friend".. someone I've partied with some that got some wierd acid so he took to much, or well he took one (cant remember the english word for em), nothing happend so he took like five more 
17:35 < fholmstrom> and then, well boom.
17:35 < fholmstrom> the lights went out for him
17:35 < fholmstrom> and he got really really fucked, thought he was jesus and was going to bless mankind for like 2 years or something
17:35 < Macen> dunno, but i took them in some woods and couldn't find a way out and went mental
17:36 < fholmstrom> i think he even candyflipped
17:36 < Macen> i still to do this today think i was temporarily insane 
17:36 < fholmstrom> so well, i try to not mix drugs anymore
17:36 < fholmstrom> e+speed = win combo, but dangerous 
17:36 < Macen> hehe :) 'shrooms and pills is mad, takes the edge of the trips
17:37 < Macen> s/of/off
17:37 < Macen> anyway, Whisller  ;P
17:37 < Macen> must get back to work :)
17:37 < fholmstrom> ha, ye 'nuff drug talk, take care Macen  :)
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17:58  * Wombert yawns
17:58 < Wombert> oh my, these days, too exhausting
17:58 < CIA-5> impl * r2615 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/config/AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php: branches/david-xml_only_config_system: preg_quote context and environment names
17:58  * Wombert yawns
18:00 < Whisller> I'm not sure I understand appenders idea, but if I get it right. This classes are appenders to log messages? And now my question, how I can set appender which will be used. Because I didn't saw any method like ->getLogger()->getAppender($name);
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18:19 < marklar|omni> hello niglets
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18:19 < brasileiro__> o/
18:19 < marklar|omni> -> o/
18:19 < marklar|omni> my knife
18:19 < marklar|omni> your head
18:19 < marklar|omni> :D
18:19 < brasileiro__> ¬¬
19:03 < fholmstrom> you know what I love
19:03 < fholmstrom> 17-18 year old girls, i keep getting older and they stay the same age
19:03 < fholmstrom> ;D
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19:06 < marklar|omni> haha
19:06 < marklar|omni> ya.
19:06 < marklar|omni> want.
19:06 < Wombert> wat
19:07 < marklar|omni> 22:03 < fholmstrom> you know what I love
19:07 < marklar|omni> 22:03 < fholmstrom> 17-18 year old girls, i keep getting older and they stay the same age
19:07 < marklar|omni> 22:03 < fholmstrom> ;D
19:07 < fholmstrom> http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v128/234/101/717346528/n717346528_330873_8854.jpg
19:08 < impl> shopped
19:08 < fholmstrom> 17 yrs old and very very tight <3
19:08 < fholmstrom> that pic? no, just alot of makeup
19:08 < impl> I can tell because of the pixels
19:08 < fholmstrom> or oh ye
19:08 < fholmstrom> u r right ;P
19:08 < fholmstrom> but well, shes still hot ;P
19:08 < marklar|omni> haha
19:08 < marklar|omni> I don't like the hair
19:08 < fholmstrom> not? i love it ;p
19:08 < fholmstrom> though she doesnt wear it like that irl
19:09 < impl> It's a good photo
19:10 < Wombert> the actual, interesting, thing would be being 18 again, but with today's wisdom, style, behavior, blah
19:10 < impl> I would distribute it across the Interwebz if I were her
19:10 < impl> esp on PHP channels
19:10 < marklar|omni> kek
19:10 < fholmstrom> impl: lol ;P
19:10 < marklar|omni> impl: have you seen my photo of my gf?
19:10 < Wombert> IS SHE HOT?
19:10 < impl> marklar|omni: I don't think so
19:10 < fholmstrom> marklar|omni: show!
19:10 < marklar|omni> heh sec
19:10 < Wombert> marklar|omni: YOU KNOW TEH RULES
19:10 < marklar|omni> http://media.mark.org.il/main.php?g2_itemId=771
19:10 < fholmstrom> i dont do GFs anymore, single for two years now, only drawkback are all the STDs ;(
19:10 < Wombert> tits || gtfo
19:10 < Wombert> :>>>>>
19:11 < fholmstrom> well good ass, but boobs or face plz ;P
19:11 < marklar|omni> mm
19:11 < marklar|omni> maybe later
19:11 < Wombert> we'd need to become jews to be able to touch her anyway
19:11 < Wombert> :>
19:11 < marklar|omni> ya
19:11 < Wombert> YOU CRAZY LOLJEWS :>
19:11  * Wombert pets marklar|omni 
19:11 < impl> no you just have to put her in a special kitchen first
19:11 < Wombert> LOL
19:12 < Wombert> marklar|omni: miek said how laem it is to have a kitchen for meat, and one for milk
19:12 < Wombert> or summin
19:12 < fholmstrom> lol
19:12 < fholmstrom> meat and milk?
19:12 < fholmstrom> two kitchenz
19:12 < marklar|omni> http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v126/16/74/761845523/n761845523_1483326_4258.jpg
19:12 < fholmstrom> loljews ;(
19:12 < marklar|omni> almost had that
19:12 < Wombert> loljews are lol
19:12 < fholmstrom> marklar|omni: hawt.
19:12 < impl> yeah she needs to get on IRC too
19:12 < fholmstrom> well while we're at it
19:12 < Wombert> that an .il girl?
19:12 < marklar|omni> Wombert: .us/.il
19:13 < Wombert> she looks a bit like that girl from, err, NCIS
19:13 < Wombert> just prettier
19:13 < marklar|omni> she's short tho
19:13 < marklar|omni> heh
19:13 < Wombert> srsly, you guys have hot girls down there
19:13 < marklar|omni> yeh
19:13 < Wombert> esp those with black hair
19:13 < Wombert> mmmm
19:13 < fholmstrom> http://images5.bilddagboken.se/19/_u2/_u5/_u2/_u2/_u1/u252214/44967_1214862524.jpg
19:13 < marklar|omni> you should come visit
19:13 < fholmstrom> my ex.
19:13 < Wombert> marklar|omni: wilco
19:13 < marklar|omni> Please visit bilddagboken to view this image
19:13 < marklar|omni> Guru Meditation:
19:13 < marklar|omni> wtf
19:13 < marklar|omni> they're hosting it on an amiga?
19:13 < fholmstrom> though that is a halloweend pic
19:13 < marklar|omni> heh
19:14 < Wombert> innitgonna scare them that I is german, marklar|omni 
19:14 < marklar|omni> kek
19:14 < marklar|omni> nah
19:14 < impl> fholmstrom: mirror itttt
19:14 < marklar|omni> they know you're all leftist know
19:14 < fholmstrom> impl: sigh, kk
19:14 < Wombert> lolol
19:15 < impl> I have ZERO good-looking friends on facebook
19:15  * impl fails it
19:16 < fholmstrom> http://totmacher.eu/maddis.jpg
19:16 < Wombert> I am not on facebook
19:16 < Wombert> :>>
19:16 < fholmstrom> my ex. (again)
19:16 < impl> dude
19:16 < Wombert> omg
19:16 < impl> holy
19:16 < Wombert> you are sick
19:16 < Wombert> omg
19:16 < fholmstrom> ? ;P
19:16 < impl> actually she wouldn't be so bad except for the eyes
19:16 < Wombert> why are her eyes bleeding
19:16 < Wombert> lol impl 
19:16 < marklar|omni> mm
19:16 < impl> is that on halloween
19:16 < marklar|omni> do not want
19:16 < Wombert> was thinking the same
19:16 < marklar|omni> fholmstrom: your taste is meh
19:16 < fholmstrom> ye halooween pic
19:16 < fholmstrom> ofc.
19:16 < fholmstrom> halloween
19:17 < impl> http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v288/191/67/1391190653/n1391190653_30382098_8385.jpg maybe best-looking of my acquaintances, but she is ULTRACONSERVATIVE CREEPY LEVEL so do not want
19:18 < fholmstrom> http://totmacher.eu/maddis2.jpg
19:18 < fholmstrom> non halloween pic, better? ;p
19:18 < impl> fholmstrom: yeah a bit, still too much black eyeliner though
19:19 < fholmstrom> he.
19:19 < impl> Wombert: can I post your omnomnom pix to the channel :>>
19:19 < fholmstrom> thats the only type of girl i like ;P
19:19 < Wombert> if you must :p
19:19 < Wombert> no wait
19:19 < Wombert> why
19:19 < Wombert> we're talking about girls
19:19 < fholmstrom> Wombert: me?
19:19 < impl> Wombert: because it's lol
19:19 < Wombert> wait till miek turns up :p
19:19 < impl> I already showed it to him
19:19 < impl> 05:40:29 <MikeSeth> LOL
19:19 < impl> 05:40:31 <MikeSeth> this is David?!
19:19 < impl> 06:11:32 <impl> Yeah
19:19 < impl> 06:11:37 <MikeSeth> hahahahaha
19:20 < Wombert> wtf is wrong with that falejew
19:20 < Wombert> he met me
19:20 < Wombert> how can he not know what I look like
19:20 < Wombert> <:
19:20 < impl> Maybe you look different with a sandwich half the size of your head in your mouth
19:20 < Wombert> ohwait forgottograb dinnars brb keke
19:20 < Wombert> well then post it :p
19:20 < impl> http://cynigram.com/~nfontes/awesomepix/omnomnomnom.jpg <<
19:21 < marklar|omni> lol
19:21 < impl> oh
19:21 < fholmstrom> not going to show my other girls then, because most of them are twice as black as my ex ;p
19:21 < impl> my DNS died
19:21 < impl> fuck
19:21 < impl> wtf
19:21 < impl> GAYBATS WHAT IS THIS
19:21 < marklar|omni> hehe
19:21 < marklar|omni> lawlz @ gaybats
19:22 < fholmstrom> good to be back on irc
19:22 < fholmstrom> :D
19:22 < impl> ah it's back
19:22 < impl> gg, Internet, gg.
19:22 < fholmstrom> so show pics of urselfs!
19:22 < Wombert> I did :p
19:22 < Wombert> and no, thanks
19:22 < Wombert> we're straight in this channel
19:22 < Wombert> RIGHT?
19:23 < fholmstrom> u never done anything with a guy? ;P
19:23 < impl> wait how many beers are we going to have on Sunday?
19:23 < Wombert> where the hell is the kick-all-weird-swedes button :>
19:23 < fholmstrom> enough for me to still be drunk on monday
19:23 < Wombert> oh that is him?
19:23 < impl> D:
19:23 < Wombert> omg!
19:23 < impl> no
19:23 < impl> lawl
19:24 < fholmstrom> who? me? what?
19:24 < Wombert> wat?
19:24 < fholmstrom> Wombert: honestly, not even ever kissed a guy?
19:24 < impl> http://impl.user.compass.cynigram.com/impl.jpg
19:24 < Wombert> eh
19:24 < impl> WOULD YOU HIT IT Y/N
19:24 < Wombert> no
19:24 < fholmstrom> Wombert: what? never? damn.
19:24 < Wombert> RICHARD STALLMAN!
19:25 < fholmstrom> impl: thats u?
19:25 < impl> fholmstrom: That's me a year ago
19:25 < impl> I lost the beard
19:25 < fholmstrom> lemme show a pic of u
19:25 < fholmstrom> of me
19:25 < fholmstrom> even ;P
19:25 < Wombert> so are you guys meeting for a beer on sundays or what
19:26 < impl> Wombert: if I go to Stockholm, sounds like we might
19:26 < Wombert> okay
19:26 < Wombert> here's the rules, fholmstrom 
19:26 < Wombert> no kissing
19:26 < Wombert> okay?
19:26 < fholmstrom> http://totmacher.eu/fholmstrom.jpg
19:26 < Wombert> anbd
19:26 < fholmstrom> Wombert: i only make out with guys that look like girls, no worries ;P
19:26 < impl> ever made out with yourself?
19:26 < impl> *runs*
19:26 < Wombert> if you do any other damage to my stupid american awesomeness coding monkey intern, I'll stab you in the face
19:26 < fholmstrom> impl: ha ;p
19:26 < Wombert> and mind you, my sort of people invades countries and things :>
19:26 < fholmstrom> i dont know, maybe made out with? meh no idea atleast 50 guys ;p
19:27 < impl> is it better than girls?
19:27 < fholmstrom> not really.
19:27 < fholmstrom> girls > guys
19:27 < fholmstrom> and most guys give horrible blowjobs, so meh
19:27 < impl> kthx that's all I ever needed to know
19:28 < fholmstrom> girls > guys on every level, they're smooth, have breasts and much better lips so ye ;P
19:28 < impl> excellent
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19:28 < fholmstrom> impl: u from the US ?
19:28 < fholmstrom> and live in germany with Wombert  ?
19:28 < impl> Yeah
19:28 < fholmstrom> cool
19:28 < fholmstrom> how did he lure u to europe?
19:28 < impl> I don't live with Wombert 
19:28 < fholmstrom> ;P
19:29 < fholmstrom> no you live INSIDE WOMBERT *dramatic music*
19:29 < impl> :S
19:29 < fholmstrom> you live in wombers womb
19:29 < fholmstrom> AHAHHH!!H!HAHHAHAH!!H!
19:29 < fholmstrom> *scared*
19:29 < impl> like a tumor or wat
19:29 < Wombert> you don't even know what a wombat is :(
19:29 < fholmstrom> no like a man-baby
19:30 < impl> :>
19:31 < fholmstrom> http://youtube.com/watch?v=v6ndkBnktYU
19:31 < marklar|omni> from now on
19:31 < Wombert> this discussion
19:31 < Wombert> its disturbing
19:31 < marklar|omni> impl is to be refferred to is a baby-man
19:31 < Wombert> stop it
19:31 < marklar|omni> s/ff/f/
19:31 < fholmstrom> http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/03/09/ani_wombat_gallery__550x393.jpg
19:31 < marklar|omni> :<
19:31 < fholmstrom> Wombert irl pic.-
19:31 < fholmstrom> true story.
19:32 < marklar|omni> shopped
19:32 < fholmstrom> ;(
19:32 < marklar|omni> I can tell by the pixels
19:32 < fholmstrom> yeah NO WAY he has those fine teeths irl
19:32 < fholmstrom> :_P
19:32 < marklar|omni> and the shadows are all off
19:32 < impl> and from having seen many shops in your time?
19:32 < Wombert> http://chadjordan.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/04aus-30201-wombat-large.jpg
19:32 < Wombert> me
19:32 < marklar|omni> ahaha
19:32 < fholmstrom> aawww
19:32 < fholmstrom> so cute
19:32 < impl> haha, you do kinda look like that
19:32 < marklar|omni> there's a banner on empflix
19:32 < fholmstrom> *fluffles Wombert*
19:32  * impl runs to go eat
19:32 < marklar|omni> "GROUPS OF HUNGRY COCKS"
19:32 < marklar|omni> hahaha
19:33 < marklar|omni> and I'm like, what, roosters
19:33 < marklar|omni> and then there's porn
19:33 < marklar|omni> hehe
19:33 < fholmstrom> i was thínking about putting on some porn
19:33 < fholmstrom> but then i realized
19:33 < fholmstrom> girl > right hand
19:35 < marklar|omni> so you'll put girl porn instead of guy porn?
19:35 < marklar|omni> :<
19:35 < fholmstrom> no
19:35 < fholmstrom> cellphone
19:35 < fholmstrom> and shes here
19:35 < fholmstrom> in 45 mins
19:35 < fholmstrom> <3
19:35 < marklar|omni> send her here instead
19:35 < fholmstrom> and NO
19:35 < fholmstrom> not a hooker
19:35 < fholmstrom> :P
19:35 < marklar|omni> haha
19:35 < marklar|omni> yeah
19:35 < marklar|omni> k
19:36 < fholmstrom> i mean
19:36 < fholmstrom> i have no moral problems with prostitutes
19:36 < fholmstrom> but i havnt found any that are young + hot enough yet
19:37 < fholmstrom> most are either 1) old 2) skanky 3) drug addicts
19:37 < fholmstrom> or 4) any combintation of 1-2-3
19:39 < marklar|omni> or shemales.
19:39 < fholmstrom> ye
19:39 < fholmstrom> that 2
19:39 < fholmstrom> no wai.
20:23 < fholmstrom> 'nite guys
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20:57 < Wombert> impl: emailz
20:57 < E_mE[Stilgar]> evening, im back from holidays
20:58 < E_mE[Stilgar]> anything new?
21:11 < Wombert> none
21:11 < Wombert> laters
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23:32 < impl> Wombert: I'll do up a patch tomorrow
23:32 < Wombert> impl: winnar
23:32 < Wombert> I was wondering
23:33 < Wombert> is it due to it using streams internally?
23:33 < Wombert> does that one trigger the error maybe?
23:33 < Wombert> and then ext/soap can't do nothing about it?
23:33 < impl> dunno, but maybe I can do it the PHP Way (tm) and just set error_reporting to 0 beforehand.
23:34 < impl> You know that's how the @ operator works, right?
23:39 < Wombert> yeah
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04:23 < v-dogg> huomenta
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05:46 < marklar|omni> ohai
05:47  * marklar|omni stabs you
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06:06 < Whisller> Huomenta
06:14 < Whisller> Did you saw this channel #idlerpg? 
06:14 < Whisller> Rpg on irc ;) And you do not need do enything ;p
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06:39 < _cheerios> huomenta
06:40 < Whisller> *anything
06:40 < Whisller> hi _cheerios
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07:45 < MikeSeth> huomenta
07:48 < Wombert> huomenta miek
07:48  * MikeSeth pets
07:48 < MikeSeth> Wombert: I've been skimming through the django book
07:48 < MikeSeth> the format is impressive
07:49 < MikeSeth> the framework itself is 
07:49 < MikeSeth> I dunno
07:49 < MikeSeth> meh, Python
07:49 < MikeSeth> with __things__ etc
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07:53 < _cheerios> djangobook is ok (a bit slowpaced and unnecessarily wordy). then there's the documentation, good stuff.
08:14 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: hear?
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08:19 < MikeSeth> watup
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08:20 < Macen> word
08:20 < marklar|omni> nm, got it
08:20 < marklar|omni> stupid escape sequences in "script" output
08:24 < fholmstrom> huomenta
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09:26 < shrink0r> huomenta
09:26 < shrink0r> I'm having problems with lighttpd when I'm delivering video files via agavi
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09:27 < shrink0r> the files are delivered by php even so I've set the use_send_file parameter for the agaviResponse in the dfactories.xml
09:29 < Wombert> ok
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09:30 < Wombert> carry on, shrink0r 
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09:43 < MikeSeth_> Wombert: you mean "go on"? 
09:44 < MikeSeth_> "carry on" means gtfo ;>
09:44 < Wombert>  no
09:44 < Wombert> to carry on with sth means to continue sth
09:44 < Wombert> :>
09:45 < Wombert> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/carry+on
09:45 < Wombert> the third one
09:45 < Wombert> omg mw is fale
09:45 < Wombert> their link copy thing and
09:45 < Wombert> gah
09:45 < Wombert> ...
09:45 < Wombert> and + in uri parts
09:45 < Wombert> noobs
09:46 < MikeSeth_> Wombert: yes but more in the sense "go back to whatever you were doing before this interruption"
09:46 < MikeSeth_> ;>
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09:46 < Wombert> well in any case
09:46  * Wombert stabs shrink0r 
09:47 < MikeSeth> oic
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09:51 < shrink0r> k
10:00 < shrink0r> sry for the interuption, but I'm smarter bout the definition of to carry on know
10:00 < shrink0r> ^^
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10:00 < shrink0r> *now
10:01 < shrink0r> I'm returning the file that I want to deliver by passing the resource returned by fopen to the setContent of the containers response
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10:02 < shrink0r> which should be correct as far as I know
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10:03 < shrink0r> the lighttpd changelog for the version I'm using (1.4.19) says that lighttpd throws an error when the X-LIGHTTPD-send-file cannot be done
10:04 < shrink0r> so the behaviour I except would be php quiting the proccess after sending the reponse(headers) and leaving it to lighttpd to deliver the file
10:04 < shrink0r> Instead php itsself is delivering the file
10:05 < shrink0r> whicj leads to a lack of performance
10:05 < shrink0r> *which
10:11 < ttj> http://apareena.arvopaperi.fi/forum/msg/id=sf/msg=5664166/ <-- Haha. :P
10:14 < MikeSeth> hahaa winner
10:16 < Wombert> shrink0r: uh
10:16 < Wombert> well it should do that
10:16 < marklar|omni> winnar
10:17 < Wombert> use_sendfile_header, shrink0r 
10:18 < Wombert> you can use sendfile_header_name to define the header name, defaults to X-Sendfile, which lighty understands, too
10:18 < Wombert> are you using mod_fastcgi, shrink0r?
10:19 < Wombert> and is allow-x-sendfile on in fastcgi.server ?
10:19 < Wombert> http://blog.lighttpd.net/articles/2006/07/02/x-sendfile
10:22 < shrink0r> yeah, was doing so
10:22 < shrink0r> fuck me, agavi's great, evrything works nice
10:23 < shrink0r> wasn't sending the header in the correct application
10:26 < Wombert> you don't have to send the header, mind you
10:26 < Wombert> only return the fopen() result, right?
10:27 < MikeSeth> .t
10:28 < MikeSeth> mmmm
10:28 -!- MikeSeth changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: stable/latest: 0.11.2 :: http://agavi.org/ :: want svn? use http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta :: <Flukey> now i think about it, it all makes perfect sense :) :: <Fou4th> fantastic <Fou4th> it works :: <shrink0r> fuck me, agavi's gre
10:28 < MikeSeth> grrr
10:28 -!- MikeSeth changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: stable/latest: 0.11.2 :: http://agavi.org/ :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta :: <Flukey> now i think about it, it all makes perfect sense :) :: <Fou4th> fantastic <Fou4th> it works :: <shrink0r> fuck me, agavi's great, evryt
10:28 -!- MikeSeth changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: stable/latest: 0.11.2 :: http://agavi.org/ :: svn: http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Huomenta :: <Flukey> now i think about it, it all makes perfect sense :) :: <Fou4th> fantastic <Fou4th> it works :: <shrink0r> fuck me, agavi's great
10:28 < MikeSeth> there ;>
10:29 < Wombert> <:
10:31 < shrink0r> yeah am only returning the fopen
10:31 < shrink0r> but have the enabled in the factories.xml
10:31 < shrink0r> *.. header ..
10:44 < Wombert> <:
10:44 < Wombert> see, this is where teh environments win is again...
10:44 < Wombert> only flip it on for production.*
10:44 < Wombert> done
10:45 < Wombert> takes ten seconds of effort, and zero maintenance <:
10:45 < Wombert> SPREAD TEH WORD KTHX
10:47 < fholmstrom> MikeSeth: TOPIC SPAM OMG
10:47 < fholmstrom> loljews ;(
10:49 < MikeSeth> ohlawd
10:49 < fholmstrom> MikeSeth: HIS 2 u!
10:49 < MikeSeth> ohau
10:49 < MikeSeth> 9/11
10:49 < fholmstrom> :D
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10:53 < fholmstrom> HAHA
10:53 < fholmstrom> i got a 3some lined up 2nite
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10:53 < MikeSeth> fo real
10:53 < fholmstrom> yes
10:53 < fholmstrom> 2 chicks + me
10:53 < MikeSeth> pix/didn't happen
10:53 < fholmstrom> the good kind.
10:53 < fholmstrom> what? had several 3somes before
10:54 < MikeSeth> pix/didn't happen
10:54 < fholmstrom> well it did happen, but no i don thav epics.
10:54 < fholmstrom> *have pics, atleast not on my job comp.
10:54 < MikeSeth> WELL MAKE SOME THIS TIME.
10:54 < fholmstrom> ok i will :P
10:54 < MikeSeth> the inquiring minds want to know etc etc
10:55 < fholmstrom> jews not allowed 3 somes? ;D
10:55 < MikeSeth> you
10:55 < MikeSeth> d be surprised
10:55 < fholmstrom> :P
10:56 < Wombert> lololo
10:57 < Wombert> man
10:57 < Wombert> teh fails
10:57 < Wombert> http://blog.wombert.de/post/43374548/sitepoint-blogs-mangling-xml-as-text-with-php-dom
10:57 < fholmstrom> man 
10:57 < fholmstrom> Wombert: ye i read that article
10:57 < fholmstrom> and im like?
10:57 < fholmstrom> wtf?
10:57 < fholmstrom> checked if it was 1st of april 
10:57 < fholmstrom> and it wasnt
10:58 < Wombert> what a jackass
10:58 < Wombert> see
10:58 < Wombert> these people
10:58 < Wombert> they make me angry
10:58 < Wombert> someone pays them
10:58 < Wombert> and they have jobs
10:58 < Wombert> and do work
10:58 < Wombert> that better people can do
10:58 < fholmstrom> :P
10:59 < Wombert> and then they go out and spread their shit all over the interwebs
10:59 < Wombert> and other morons pick it up
10:59 < fholmstrom> ye
10:59 < Wombert> sitepoint, clearly, is run by imbeciles these days
10:59 < fholmstrom> which is why
10:59 < fholmstrom> php should be
10:59 < fholmstrom> banned 
10:59 < fholmstrom> and removed from the history books
11:00 < fholmstrom> low life piece of shit retards calling themselves programmers spreading their constant bullshit all over the world that even larger retards pick up, etc.
11:01 < fholmstrom> i was going to make a vary distasteful joke about WW2/PHP but remembered we have boths germans and jews in here and youd probably hate me for all eternity ;(
11:05  * Wombert stabs fholmstrom 
11:06  * MikeSeth follows suit
11:06 < fholmstrom> ;(
11:06 < Whisller> So If you think their articles sucks, you can write your own better. And show user a good way :P
11:06 < fholmstrom> sorry just hard for me to relate to it since it doesn't effect me personally at all, not from germany and not a jew
11:07 < Whisller> *users
11:25 < fholmstrom> sigh
11:26 < fholmstrom> the two chicks for tonight
11:26 < fholmstrom> they both have the hots for me
11:26 < fholmstrom> and i mean
11:26 < fholmstrom> man this will SUCK
11:26 < fholmstrom> sigh
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11:43 < kapitan> how to redirect from one action to another?
11:45 < fholmstrom> $action.rederictYourAss();
11:45 < fholmstrom> or not
11:45 < fholmstrom> but almost
11:45 < marklar|omni> heh
11:45 < marklar|omni> Struts ftw.
11:46 < Wombert> kapitan: return an execution container from the view
11:46 < Wombert> $this->createForwardContainer() is a convenience method
11:49 < kapitan> ok, thats what i needed
11:49 < kapitan> thanks
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12:46 < fholmstrom> ©©sadsda
12:46 < fholmstrom> well this is booring
12:46 < MikeSeth> is yes.
12:46 < fholmstrom> how do I control irssi ffomr
12:46 < fholmstrom> how do i control irssi from a mac ?
12:46 < fholmstrom> stupid shit comp wont let me change windows
12:46 < fholmstrom> or well , channels, /e
12:46 < fholmstrom> w/e
12:46 < MikeSeth> dunno
12:47 < MikeSeth> not a mac pervert ;>
12:47 < impl> press escape and then the window number
12:47 < fholmstrom> aöt+
12:47 < fholmstrom> man that 
12:47 < fholmstrom> impl: thnx
12:47 < fholmstrom> but that was annoying as hell
12:47 < fholmstrom> ESC of all keys?
12:47 < fholmstrom> and backsapce doesnt work ;(
12:47 < fholmstrom> sadasd
12:47 < impl> law
12:47 < impl> l
12:47 < impl> Mac fail
12:47 < fholmstrom> ypep
12:48 < fholmstrom> mac = epic failure of epic proportions
12:48 < fholmstrom> ssort of like my ability so type on this SHIT MAPPLE STOCK KEYBOARD
12:48 < fholmstrom> *apple
12:49 < impl> lols
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12:49 < fholmstrom> 'tis not funneh
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13:38 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
13:38 < MerlinDMC> Trac killed?
13:40 < MikeSeth> huuh?
13:41 < MerlinDMC> now it works ...
13:41 < Whisller> Somethimes on track are strange errors.
13:41 < Whisller> *sometimes
13:41 < MikeSeth> python.
13:41 < MerlinDMC> but not on every request ^^ -> RuntimeError: instance.__dict__ not accessible in restricted mode
13:42 < Whisller> Oops...Trac detected an internal error:
13:42 < Whisller> ;)
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13:56 < kaos|work> does anybody here uses hibernate ?
13:56 < Macen> eh?
13:57 < kaos|work> java orm
13:57 < Macen> nop
13:57 < kaos|work> marklar|omni ?
13:57 < kaos|work> MikeSeth: 
13:57 < kaos|work> impl: 
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14:07 < MikeSeth> wat
14:07 < MikeSeth> oh
14:07 < MikeSeth> um
14:07 < MikeSeth> no.
14:07 < MikeSeth> no java kthx
14:15 < kaos|work> kek
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14:23 < impl> kaos|work: Only looked at it briefly
14:23 < impl> sorry :(
14:23 < kaos|work> np
14:23 < kaos|work> i think i already found what i looked for anyways
14:24 < impl> okey
14:34 < shrink0r> man, agaviUploadedFile is really bugging me with this chown
14:35 < shrink0r> only way to work around is a root-cronjob that changes the perms every now and then 
14:39 < Macen> WHERE IS TEH SERVER 
14:39 < Macen> FAIL
14:39 < Macen> bahh
14:41 < Macen> shrink0r: sounds major fail
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16:18 < Whisller> ew
16:18 < Whisller> *re
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16:44 < Whisller> Newest wallpapers of mac http://www.usingmac.com/gallery It is so pretty :]
16:48 < impl> They'd be a lot nicer if they didn't have the Apple logo on them
16:49 < Whisller> pfff
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17:06 < _cheerios> "You’ve been updated to the latest version of Firefox."
17:06 < _cheerios> so that's what froze the friggin' browser and made it refuse to load at first
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18:09 < Whisller> http://www.smog.pl/wideo/19511/kroliczek_samobojca/
18:19 < marklar|omni> ohai
18:19 < marklar|omni> kaos|work: no
18:19 < marklar|omni> kaos|work: not anymore
18:19 < marklar|omni> why?
18:24 < marklar|omni> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=569611&id=571349570
18:24 < marklar|omni> keke
18:32 < _cheerios> "This content is currently unavailable"
18:33 < marklar|omni> eh fale
18:33 < marklar|omni> http://photos-570.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v295/248/65/571349570/n571349570_569611_7313.jpg
18:45 < _cheerios> better rentals?
18:45 < marklar|omni> er?
18:47 < _cheerios> not the correct guess then :9
18:49 < marklar|omni> hehe
18:49 < marklar|omni> palindrome odometer
18:49 < marklar|omni> :<
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19:38 < _cheerios> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTZvnhn5InA YEAH!!!!!!!!!!
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20:20 < marklar|omni> fuck
20:20 < marklar|omni> trac died?
20:22 < _cheerios> obligatory: nowai!
20:26 < _cheerios> classic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ZXqKZXrcE
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20:35 < impl> marklar|omni: just keep pressing F5
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20:47 < marklar|omni> hehe
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21:38 < marklar|omni> heh
21:38 < marklar|omni> HEH
21:38 < marklar|omni> wake up
21:38 < marklar|omni> RuntimeError: instance.__dict__ not accessible in restricted mode
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22:46 < MikeSeth> why wake up for it though
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23:45 < MugeSo> huomenta
23:51 < Wombert> hai MugeSo 
23:57 < MugeSo> We released a website using Agavi-0.11 on 7/23 :)
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00:01 < Wombert> :>>>
00:01 < Wombert> nice
00:01 < Wombert> is it cool? :>
00:27 < MugeSo> yeah ;)
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04:57 < v-dogg> huomenta
04:59 < andresj> hello. i was wondering what would the model be for a blog? Article? ArticleManager?
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05:01 < andresj> MugeSo: lol this is like 5 hours after u said smthing :)   but anyways do u have the code for that website? I wanna see an example of an Agavi application :)
05:25 < MugeSo> sorry, I can't show you the code, andresj
05:25 < MugeSo> but,
05:26 < andresj> but... :D
05:30 < MugeSo> I write what I think useful coding the site, on my blog or agavi-ml
05:32 < MugeSo> i write blog in japanese :p
05:34 < andresj> MugeSo: oh it would be be very helpful to look at an agavi project :)    whats your blog?--oh wait i cant read it but ill check it out anyways :P
05:35 < MugeSo> you can read code and xml ;)
05:36 < MugeSo> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/MugeSo/
05:38 < MugeSo> If you wanna know more about some entry, please ask me to translate ;)
05:40 < andresj> haha thanks MugeSo the blog seems useful :)   I'll try using google translator to give me an idea of what theyre about :D
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05:44 < MugeSo> My pleasure :)
05:46 < andresj> MugeSo: hey you mentioned agavi-ml? what is that?
05:47 < impl> Mailing list
05:48 < MugeSo> yeah, thanks impl
05:48 < impl> :p
05:48 < andresj> oh haha sorry i shouldve thought of that :)
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06:01 < andresj> um hey so Agavi Models translate to a Manager that interfaces with the records and all that when it comes to databases no?
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06:09 < Whisller> hi
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06:13 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
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06:18 < marklar|omni> ohai2u
06:19 < marklar|omni> 07:59 < andresj> hello. i was wondering what would the model be for a blog? Article? ArticleManager?
06:19 < marklar|omni> no need to create a model 99% of the time
06:19 < marklar|omni> just use a regular orm
06:19 < marklar|omni> you hardly need any special functionality
06:20 < andresj> marklar|omni: really? ive heard that its better to write all the functionality in the model and then use it from the views
06:20 < marklar|omni> yes
06:20 < marklar|omni> but what kind of functionality do you need?
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06:20 < marklar|omni> "get article..."
06:20 < marklar|omni> "list articles..."
06:20 < marklar|omni> "search articles"
06:20 < marklar|omni> "add comment to article"
06:20 < marklar|omni> etc
06:20 < marklar|omni> it's orm
06:21 < marklar|omni> why bother writing a model that does 99% CRUD and maybe a little extra?
06:21 < andresj> oh I see I see so it would be good to add one if I had special functionality
06:21 < marklar|omni> you could make a model but it would be 10-20 lines of actual code
06:21 < marklar|omni> the rest being mappings to orm calls
06:22 < _cheerios> huomenta!!! raaa!!!
06:22 < andresj> of course yeah... the documentation mentions "test" models that I can use while developing... so i figured i would need to map the orm in the model
06:22 < marklar|omni> you crazy finns
06:22 < v-dogg> marklar|omni: MikeSeth is going to stab you for saying that :)
06:22 < marklar|omni> hehe
06:22 < marklar|omni> I'm safe, I'm at my parent's house :D
06:22 < _cheerios> but... mike... is... crazy
06:23 < _cheerios> (and marky just stabs ppl)
06:23 < marklar|omni> yah
06:23 < marklar|omni> sup
06:23 < v-dogg> yeah, does drugs and is in the pr0n biznes
06:23 < marklar|omni> anyway, amirite?
06:23 < marklar|omni> for a run-of-the-mill blog app or similar, an orm would suffice
06:24 < marklar|omni> no need to implement a special model, since the data ops are trivial
06:24 < marklar|omni> neh?
06:24 < andresj> thats tyrue marklar|omni... thanks for ur help :)
06:24 < marklar|omni> :D
06:25 < marklar|omni> man, googlebot gets confused by galleries
06:25 < marklar|omni> hehe
06:25 < marklar|omni> specifically, keyword albums
06:25 < marklar|omni> it's been trying to deepcrawl my gf's site for weeks
06:27 < _cheerios> skimming is bad "i've been trying to deepcrawl my gf's for weeks"
06:27 < _cheerios> I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS
06:28 < marklar|omni> er
06:28 < marklar|omni> don't you know how googlebot works?
06:28 < marklar|omni> :<
06:28 < marklar|omni> are you, like, offline?
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06:31 < _cheerios> gbot? yeah, uh, yeah, hehe...
06:32 < andresj> lol
06:33 < marklar|omni> hehe
06:33 < marklar|omni> there
06:33 < marklar|omni> trophaeum can explain what deepcrawl is
06:33 < marklar|omni> he knows that shit.
06:34 < marklar|omni> OH BTW
06:34 < marklar|omni> I have a new backpack!!!
06:34 < marklar|omni> lowepro computrekker aw
06:34 < marklar|omni> ftw!
06:40 < marklar|omni> http://picasaweb.google.com/gmarklar/Miscellaneous/photo#5226837527054549314
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07:48 < _cheerios> what was the proper way to setup the re in nested routes to not allow any added content at the end, causing a 404, and not settle for a previously matched route?
07:58 < _cheerios> small example code http://pastie.org/240869
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09:18 < Wombert> uhm wtf
09:18 < Wombert> CategoryID action??????
09:18 < Wombert> <route name="categories" pattern="^/categories" module="Categories">
09:18 < Wombert>   <route name=".index" pattern="^$" action="Index" />
09:18 < Wombert>   <route name=".category" pattern="^/(id:\d+)" action="Category">
09:18 < Wombert>     <route pattern=".view" pattern="^$" action=".View" />
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10:02 < fholmstrom> huomenta bitches!
10:13 < fholmstrom> gah
10:13 < fholmstrom> wakeup
10:13 < fholmstrom> im boored
10:13 < fholmstrom> !
10:13 < fholmstrom> !
10:13 < fholmstrom> !
10:13 < fholmstrom> !
10:13 < fholmstrom> !
10:16 < marklar|omni> ohai
10:16  * marklar|omni stabs fholmstrom 
10:22 < fholmstrom> ;!
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10:25  * fholmstrom is lying on the floor, bleeding and looks up to marklar|omni and says 'is this really what you wanted?'
10:26  * fholmstrom is slowly fading away...
10:26  * fholmstrom grunts and sighs, its getting darker
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10:30  * fholmstrom is now a ghost and is haunting marklar|omni 
10:34 < marklar|omni> DIE
10:34 < marklar|omni> and gimme money
10:35 < Wombert_> oh great
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10:35 < Wombert> strikes at lufthansa
10:35 < Wombert> meh
10:35 < Wombert> I might not go to london after all <:
10:38 < fholmstrom> im going to meet impl on sunday!
10:38 < fholmstrom> is he nice ?
10:38 < fholmstrom> good ass? >_>
10:40 < Whisller_> But you will talk with him not sleep...
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11:00 < MikeSeth> fholmstrom: pix?!
11:03 < fholmstrom> on me?
11:04 < fholmstrom> OMG YOU WANT PIX OF MY PENIS?
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11:05 < marklar|omni> haha
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11:27 < marklar|omni> dark knight imax tickets
11:27 < marklar|omni> RESERVED.
11:28 < fholmstrom> nice
11:28 < fholmstrom> gz
11:29 < marklar|omni> $45 for two
11:29 < marklar|omni> elcheapo.
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11:46  * Wombert smacks fholmstrom 
11:47 < fholmstrom> ;(
11:47 < fholmstrom> why!!!
12:18  * rick111 smacks fholmstrom
12:19 < fholmstrom> BUT WHY!
12:19 < fholmstrom> ;(
12:21 < rick111> peer pressure
12:24 < fholmstrom> ;(
12:25 < rick111> slap Wombert back
12:25 < rick111> you slap him first, then i will
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15:45 < marklar|omni> ohai
15:45  * marklar|omni stabs fholmstrom 
15:45 < Macen> hihi
15:45 < Macen> server is teh win
15:46 < Macen> got a separate proliant for backups too
15:46 < Macen> hoping to figure a way to offer some kind of "secondary" system should the primary server go offline
15:46 < Macen> for hardware backups..etc
15:46 < Macen> err
15:47 < Macen> s/backups/upgrades
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15:49 < marklar|omni> kek
15:49 < marklar|omni> we got a new rack
15:50 < marklar|omni> with fibrechannel emc storage
15:50 < marklar|omni> ftw
15:52 < Macen> win
15:52 < Macen> waiting for macbook too
15:52 < Macen> they came when i was out and didn't leave it next door
15:52 < Macen> those fools
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15:53 < Macen> it's been ages since i've had irc at home
15:54 < Macen> like, years
15:54 < Macen> plan to use it to set server up though so bah
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16:01 < marklar|omni> heh
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19:11 < marklar|omni> heh heh heh
19:11 < marklar|omni> HEH
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19:20 < Macen> mother fuckers
19:20 < Macen> just drove to preston to pick up my laptop
19:21 < Macen> and it was some install cd for the server
19:21 < Macen> seems next day delivery means within 3-5 days 
19:24 < marklar|omni> haha
19:24 < marklar|omni> get a del.
19:24 < marklar|omni> dell, even.
19:24 < marklar|omni> http://g.photos.cx/jorge-04.jpg
19:24 < Macen> you suck
19:24 < marklar|omni> :D~
19:24 < Macen> it's raining and apparently my wipers now don't work
19:25 < Macen> and i'm sure there should be air in my tyres
19:25 < Macen> proper F A I L
19:25 < Macen> anyways
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21:38  * _cheerios knocks
21:39 < v-dogg> who's there
21:51 < Macen> doctor
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07:52 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:54  * fholmstrom hooked up with a 33 yr old chick last night ;p
09:05 < _cheerios> mine was only 22, i lose
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09:17 < v-dogg> no, _cheerios, I think it's the other way around :)
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09:20 < fholmstrom> well the night b4 yesterday my two girls were 16 and 17 ;P
09:39 < fholmstrom> which happens to be 33 if u ad them together
09:39 < fholmstrom> _P
09:43 < v-dogg> I can see a pattern here
09:44 < v-dogg> so three 11-years old would be just fine to you too then :)
09:44 < fholmstrom> haha
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12:10 < marklar|omni> knock-knock
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12:38 < marklar|omni> kek
12:38 < marklar|omni> easynews ftw
12:39 < marklar|omni> 15:38:52 (2.69 MB/s) - `Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 Multi-Filmratingnzbgroup.iso' saved [955240448/955240448]
12:39 < marklar|omni> yarr
13:26 < fholmstrom> easynews = ?
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16:37 < Macen> anyone use eclipse? what's the best syntax highlighter for xml?
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17:53 < fholmstrom> yay
17:53 < fholmstrom> found a place in sthlm that sells dirt cheap n2o gas
17:55 < v-dogg> mmm.. what?-)
17:55 < fholmstrom> n2o gas u know
17:55 < fholmstrom> you can breath it in and it fucks you up for minute or so
17:55 < fholmstrom> one of the few things i can do now a days without going all mental and paranoid
17:55 < v-dogg> yes, I know
17:56 < v-dogg> and you can buy it from stockholm?
17:56 < v-dogg> btw, I just came from stockholm :)
17:56 < fholmstrom>  you can buy them in sthlm ye, all over the place
17:56 < fholmstrom> but they are usually rather expensive
17:57 < v-dogg> maybe I should have bought it then :p
17:57 < fholmstrom> but found a place that sells them 10 for 37 kronors (about 4 euro or 6 us dollars)
17:57 < v-dogg> and that's legal?
17:57 < fholmstrom> yes 
17:57 < fholmstrom> normal bakeshops
17:57 < fholmstrom> bakeryshops
17:58 < impl> hai
17:58 < fholmstrom> hey impl
17:59  * impl is in Sweden~
17:59 < v-dogg> woot
17:59 < v-dogg> since when
17:59 < impl> Yesterday
17:59 < fholmstrom> u in sthlm or gbg ?
17:59 < v-dogg> I was there Mon-Wed
17:59 < impl> I'm in oh man
17:59 < fholmstrom> what
17:59 < v-dogg> :)
17:59 < impl> I think it's spelled Jönköping
17:59 < fholmstrom> ah
18:00 < fholmstrom> ye
18:00 < v-dogg> yup
18:00 < impl> Going to spend the day in Sweden tomorrow though
18:00 < v-dogg> you should take the ferry from stockholm and come visit me 
18:01 < fholmstrom> impl: u mean sthlm ?
18:01 < fholmstrom> 2morrow?
18:01 < impl> uh
18:01 < impl> yeah
18:01 < impl> :D
18:01 < fholmstrom> 0702 68 19 29
18:01 < fholmstrom> call me!
18:01 < impl> fholmstrom: I've got your number in my phone :>
18:02 < fholmstrom> ah
18:02 < fholmstrom> goodie
18:02 < fholmstrom> right i gave it to u!
18:02 < impl> :p
18:02 < fholmstrom> a bit drunk now, srry ;p
18:02 < impl> fholmstrom: no problem
18:02 < impl> man we went out last night
18:02 < impl> it wasn't even 9PM, this girl is so drunk
18:02 < impl> she's leaning on her boyfriend/one night stand or whatever
18:02 < Wombert> impl!
18:02 < impl> and just starts spewing everywhere
18:02 < fholmstrom> well going to hit that shop tomorrow and buy 20 tubes of n2o;p
18:02 < impl> it was lol
18:02 < fholmstrom> haha
18:02 < Wombert> LOL :>
18:03 < impl> fholmstrom: RICER
18:03 < fholmstrom> wat?
18:03 < fholmstrom> ricer? o.O
18:03 < fholmstrom> but i was incredibly drunk yesterday also
18:03 < fholmstrom> drank 2 liters of wine in a matter of like 45-60minutes
18:03 < impl> hah, nice
18:03 < fholmstrom> i havnt been that drunk in like 6-7 years i think
18:04 < fholmstrom> i puked in the cab home ;P
18:04 < Wombert> [20:00] v-dogg: you should take the ferry from stockholm and come visit me
18:04 < impl> gg
18:04 < Wombert> you should, impl!
18:04 < impl> How far is it?
18:04 < Wombert> how long/expensive is that, v-dogg 
18:04 < v-dogg> 12h, don't know what it costs but lemme check
18:04 < fholmstrom> Wombert u should come to sweden!
18:04 < impl> 12 hours? lawl
18:04 < Wombert> lol
18:04 < Wombert> :>
18:04 < impl> It's taking us 3 hours there and back to even go to Stockholm
18:04 < impl> :>
18:05 < fholmstrom> Wombert come to sweden !
18:05 < v-dogg> it's not a fast ferry. you are meant to drink and dance and have fun there :)
18:06 < impl> I danced last night
18:06 < Wombert> dinner, then office ->
18:06  * Wombert &
18:06 < impl> there's something I thought I would never do in my life
18:06 < Wombert> you did? lawl:>
18:06 < impl> yeah
18:06 < impl> I was moderately drunk
18:06 < fholmstrom> oh
18:06 < Wombert> then we gotta go to a club/bar when you are back
18:06 < Wombert> I wanna see that :D
18:06 < fholmstrom> i hooked up with a 33 year old chick last night ;p
18:06 < Wombert> anyways, laters
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18:06 < impl> later :D
18:06 < impl> damn you, sir.
18:06 < fholmstrom> but
18:06 < fholmstrom> i didnt get to fuck her
18:07 < fholmstrom> cos i lost her somewhere in the crowd when i went to meet up my friends
18:07 < impl> failed :(
18:07 < fholmstrom> ya
18:07 < fholmstrom> epic fail
18:07 < impl> I tried hard to get the guy I was with to dance with a girl
18:07 < impl> but he refused :(
18:07 < fholmstrom> i love dancing
18:07 < fholmstrom> <3
18:08 < fholmstrom> but youll call me 2morrow then?
18:08 < impl> Yeah
18:08 < fholmstrom> awesome
18:08 < fholmstrom> love meeting new ppl
18:08 < impl> any time in particular good?
18:08 < fholmstrom> nah ill be hungerover as fuck all day so anytime is as bad as another ;P
18:08 < impl> haha okay
18:10 < fholmstrom> well
18:10 < fholmstrom> there is a party going on here
18:10 < fholmstrom> so i have to go and entertain people as the black sheep of the family ;P
18:10 < impl> lawl
18:10 < impl> have fun
18:11 < fholmstrom> hm
18:11 < fholmstrom> on 2nd thought
18:11 < fholmstrom> id rather sit on irc
18:12 < fholmstrom> before i make this statement i wanna say that i have no problems with gay people, hell i'd have had a couple of gay/bi-sexual experiences
18:12 < fholmstrom> BUT
18:12 < fholmstrom> the people tht are here now
18:12 < Macen> for uk people: http://cpc.farnell.com/HG00350/electrical-lighting-security/product.us0?sku=lloytron-f807&_requestid=258155 <-- essential product for non-sweaty-balls (comes with remote so no pissing about if you put it under your desk)
18:12 < fholmstrom> like all the guys are gay i think
18:12 < fholmstrom> but they are like
18:12 < Macen> also, i have server pics :D
18:12 < fholmstrom> sterotyphical gay
18:12 < Macen> http://prelaunch.youds.com/Services/Computer-Services/Business-Class-Managed-Hosting
18:13 < impl> fholmstrom: haha
18:13 < fholmstrom> but u know the kind
18:13 < fholmstrom> that speeks in a light voice
18:13 < fholmstrom> giggles
18:13 < fholmstrom> wears a pink shirt
18:13 < fholmstrom> into art, red wine, etc.
18:13  * Macen is wearting a pink t-shirt !
18:13 < fholmstrom> yeye, still
18:13 < fholmstrom> that type of gay guys
18:13 < fholmstrom> i cant fucking stand them
18:13 < impl> fholmstrom: 'flaunting'
18:13 < Macen> you mean camp
18:13 < fholmstrom> impl: ya
18:14 < impl> fholmstrom: I don't care for it either
18:14 < impl> although I don't really like it when heterosexual couples kiss in public either
18:14 < fholmstrom> u dont? o.O wahat.
18:14 < impl> No, I think it's annoying
18:14 < fholmstrom> you weird americans
18:14 < impl> Well most Americans would not agree with me :P
18:15 < fholmstrom> ah ;p
18:15  * fholmstrom has had sex in public several times, kinda fun
18:15 < fholmstrom> like in the back row of a buss when the entire buss was full with ppl ;p
18:15 < impl> That's pretty hardcore
18:15 < impl> Did people watch you?
18:15 < fholmstrom> ya
18:15 < fholmstrom> ;P
18:15 < impl> lols
18:15 < fholmstrom> when we pulled up for a bus stop
18:16 < fholmstrom> i pushed her up against the window
18:16 < fholmstrom> all naked ;P
18:16 < fholmstrom> man do u think ppl stared or what? ,p
18:16 < impl> I would have..
18:16 < fholmstrom> :P
18:17 < Macen> fholmstrom: such claims require pictorial evidence clearly !
18:18 < fholmstrom> ha
18:18 < fholmstrom> i wish i had
18:18 < fholmstrom> ;(
18:18 < fholmstrom> but honestly i never saw a point in telling stories that aint true
18:18 < fholmstrom> wheres the fun in lying / making stuff up? 
18:22 < Macen> roar
18:23 < Macen> took the heatsink off before reading the instructions :|
18:23 < Macen> now i need to find where to buy the bonding agent
18:40 < fholmstrom> its a fucking sausage fest here
18:42 < marklar|omni> heh
18:42 < marklar|omni> just saw dark knight on imax
18:42 < marklar|omni> pfft
18:42 < marklar|omni> ain't all that.
18:43 < Macen> marklar|omni: check http://prelaunch.youds.com/Services/Computer-Services/Business-Class-Managed-Hosting
18:43 < Macen> server piccies
18:43 < Macen> i iz well sad; but happy :>
18:43 < marklar|omni> I should go to the server farm one day
18:43 < marklar|omni> and take pics 
18:43 < marklar|omni> bricks will be shat.
18:43 < Macen> i did those on me camera phone
18:43 < marklar|omni> err
18:43 < Macen> they are win too
18:43 < marklar|omni> whitebalance way off 
18:43 < marklar|omni> wtf
18:44 < fholmstrom> Macen: NOT ALL THAT?
18:44 < Macen> nah, that's photopshop'ed lighting
18:44 < fholmstrom> heath ledger as the joker = EPIC
18:44 < Macen> ?!?!
18:44 < marklar|omni> ya
18:44 < fholmstrom> oops
18:44 < marklar|omni> other than him
18:44 < fholmstrom> marklar|omni: even
18:44 < marklar|omni> it was blah
18:44 < fholmstrom> ye agreed
18:44 < fholmstrom> but he was fucking EPIC
18:44 < marklar|omni> he was pretty good
18:44 < fholmstrom> best actor ive seen for several years
18:44 < marklar|omni> the entire twoface thing was "wtf"
18:44 < marklar|omni> they just killed the sequel
18:44 < fholmstrom> ya
18:44 < marklar|omni> so like, what
18:44 < marklar|omni> heh
18:44 < marklar|omni> they gonna do another penguin now
18:44 < fholmstrom> the movie all in all is a 3.5 of 5
18:44 < marklar|omni> yeah
18:45 < marklar|omni> maybe even 3.2
18:45 < fholmstrom> but heath as the joker = 5.5
18:45 < fholmstrom> 5/5 even
18:45 < fholmstrom> he was fucking awesome, 
18:45 < marklar|omni> yep
18:45 < fholmstrom> one thing that annoyed me
18:45 < fholmstrom> was how batman talked
18:45 < marklar|omni> is that the s tory
18:45 < fholmstrom> when he was in batman mode
18:45 < marklar|omni> ha
18:45 < marklar|omni> yeah
18:45 < fholmstrom> fucking retarded
18:45 < marklar|omni> all "grghh"
18:45 < fholmstrom> ye
18:45 < marklar|omni> seeing it in imax was pwn though
18:45 < marklar|omni> a little too loud
18:45 < marklar|omni> but damn, that thing is huge
18:45 < fholmstrom> ye i saw a TS on my laptop ;p
18:46 < marklar|omni> haha
18:46 < fholmstrom> i never go to the cinema
18:46 < marklar|omni> me neither
18:46 < marklar|omni> gf really wanted 
18:46 < marklar|omni> to
18:46 < marklar|omni> so eh
18:46 < marklar|omni> anyway
18:46 < fholmstrom> ah
18:46 < fholmstrom> u got gf?
18:46 < marklar|omni> how DID he get those scars
18:46 < fholmstrom> wtb pix.
18:46 < marklar|omni> cause he told a diff story everytime
18:46 < fholmstrom> ye
18:46 < fholmstrom> i know ;P
18:46 < fholmstrom> think they're self inflicted according to lore though
18:46 < fholmstrom> not 100% sure
18:46 < marklar|omni> hmm
18:46 < impl> EMO
18:46 < fholmstrom> marklar|omni: anyway
18:46 < fholmstrom> pic on GF
18:46 < fholmstrom> now!
18:46 < marklar|omni> there were some stupid bugs in the script tho
18:46 < marklar|omni> er, no
18:47 < marklar|omni> anyway
18:47 < impl> fholmstrom: he has posted her legs
18:47 < fholmstrom> oh
18:47 < fholmstrom> the nice ass pic?
18:47 < impl> Yeah
18:47 < fholmstrom> :;D
18:47 < marklar|omni> they were using metal detectors
18:47 < marklar|omni> on a steel-beam bridge
18:47 < fholmstrom> btw 
18:47 < marklar|omni> ON THE BEAMS
18:47 < marklar|omni> so wtf
18:47 < impl> lool
18:47 < fholmstrom> i noticted a blooper/mistake in full metal jacket
18:47 < fholmstrom> two days ago
18:47 < marklar|omni> ?
18:47 < Macen> :o
18:47 < marklar|omni> hmm
18:47 < Macen> :o:o
18:47 < fholmstrom> in one scene this guy is sitting down with his M16 WITHOUT a magazine in
18:48 < fholmstrom> then he says something to his mate
18:48 < Macen> stop talking the channel will break ;(
18:48 < fholmstrom> it cuts over to his mate, his mate responds
18:48 < marklar|omni> kek
18:48 < fholmstrom> when it cuts back to him
18:48 < fholmstrom> he has a magazine
18:48 < fholmstrom> in his gun
18:48 < marklar|omni> yeah, that kinda shit is all over the place
18:48 < fholmstrom> and he shoots 1 bullet, then reloads ;P
18:48 < marklar|omni> there was this flick with a sniper dude
18:48 < marklar|omni> hm
18:48 < marklar|omni> what was it
18:48 < marklar|omni> anyway
18:48 < fholmstrom> SNIPER i think?
18:48 < fholmstrom> it was called?
18:49 < fholmstrom> with mark whalberg or w/e hisnam eis
18:49 < marklar|omni> more like "in the sights" or something
18:49 < fholmstrom> *nam eis
18:49 < marklar|omni> the one where they hire him to "catch a sniper" who's about to shoot the prez?
18:49 < fholmstrom> i need to do something about my emo hair cut
18:49 < fholmstrom> marklar|omni: ye exactly
18:49 < fholmstrom> that one
18:49 < marklar|omni> oh ya
18:49 < marklar|omni> that one
18:49 < marklar|omni> so anyway
18:49 < marklar|omni> there's a scene, like 65% into it
18:49 < marklar|omni> where he shoots lots of soldiers/cops with an m4
18:49 < marklar|omni> then his mag runs out
18:49 < marklar|omni> so he puts a new one in
18:50 < marklar|omni> and um
18:50 < marklar|omni> I dunno the english term for it
18:50 < marklar|omni> sec
18:50 < fholmstrom> fuck im so drunk, frekin 1.5 liters of wine today also
18:50 < marklar|omni> heh
18:50 < fholmstrom> i hate being this drunk
18:50 < fholmstrom> can hardly stand up
18:50 < fholmstrom> just lying here in my bad with ma laptop on my belly
18:50 < impl> Go make out with some of the homos around you
18:50 < fholmstrom> eeeewww.
18:51 < fholmstrom> i only make out with guys that are hot, srry ;P
18:51 < impl> huhu
18:51 < impl> But you're drunk, so they should all look good!
18:51 < impl> Go have another look!
18:51 < fholmstrom> lol
18:51 < marklar|omni> so he re-cocks the rifle instead of just hitting the bolt stop
18:51 < fholmstrom> no they are fuck ugly
18:51 < marklar|omni> damn
18:51 < fholmstrom> ah ;p
18:51 < marklar|omni> took me like 3min to remember the terms
18:51 < marklar|omni> heh
18:51 < fholmstrom> haha
18:52 < marklar|omni> heh
18:52 < fholmstrom> HORRIBLY DRUNK
18:52 < fholmstrom> fuck
18:52 < marklar|omni> http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=NYBSBEE&key=SCS
18:53 < fholmstrom> lol
18:53 < fholmstrom> fugly 
18:53 < marklar|omni> yo mama :D
18:53 < Macen> LOL
18:53 < fholmstrom> lemme show some pics
18:53 < fholmstrom> 2 sec
18:53 < marklar|omni> elicited a 9.4 so, eh.
18:54 < fholmstrom> http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v286/47/117/744983199/n744983199_1031959_6919.jpg
18:54 < fholmstrom> i've made out with both those guys, they are hot, had sex with the left one
18:54 < fholmstrom> or well groupsex, me+him+2girls
18:55 < marklar|omni> wtf
18:55 < marklar|omni> those are males?
18:55 < fholmstrom> lol
18:55 < fholmstrom> ;P
18:55 < marklar|omni> ew
18:55 < marklar|omni> BURNINATE
18:55 < fholmstrom> http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v158/178/79/675844015/n675844015_275405_1962.jpg
18:55 < fholmstrom> same guy again to the right there
18:55 < fholmstrom> and ye hes hot
18:57 < Macen> he looks like he came out of a star trek convention lol
18:57 < Macen> in that second pic
18:57 < fholmstrom> ;P
18:57 < fholmstrom> well hes hot ;p
18:57 < fholmstrom> anyway back to the so called "party"
18:57 < fholmstrom> 8 gay guckers
18:57 < fholmstrom> fuckers
18:57 < fholmstrom> and my cusine + brother
18:57 < fholmstrom> so like
18:57 < fholmstrom> what
18:57 < Macen> those kids are too kewl for my liking :p
18:57 < fholmstrom> i wan some pussy
18:57 < fholmstrom> but noo
18:57 < fholmstrom> fucking
18:57 < fholmstrom> guys
18:57 < fholmstrom> everywhere
18:57 < fholmstrom> and i want a blow job
18:58 < fholmstrom> and not from a guy
18:58 < Macen> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=422250&l=5f777&id=772998445 <--me
18:58 < Macen> where's your pic fholmstrom :p
18:58 < fholmstrom> want a pic of me?
18:59 < Macen> yes
18:59 < fholmstrom> sure 2 sec
18:59 < fholmstrom> http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v134/139/46/607382363/n607382363_181169_982.jpg
18:59 < Macen> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=397898&l=53f08&id=772998445 <--after a very messy fortnight...
19:00 < Macen> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=366333&l=99910&id=772998445 <--the start of said fortnight :p
19:00 < Macen> drugs give me spots lol
19:00 < Macen> heh
19:00 < Macen> well bad
19:00 < fholmstrom> ye
19:00 < fholmstrom> same here
19:00 < fholmstrom> got it from my amphetamine abuse
19:00 < fholmstrom> but i normally wear to much makeup for it to show anyways so
19:00 < Macen> ah you're a poser lol :p
19:00 < fholmstrom> poser no fucking way ;p
19:01 < Macen> !!!
19:01 < Macen> YES
19:01 < fholmstrom> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?profile&id=607382363
19:01 < Macen> lol!!
19:01 < fholmstrom> http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v253/139/46/607382363/n607382363_651182_9359.jpg
19:01 < fholmstrom> theres a more recent pic of me
19:01 < Macen> still posing 
19:01 < fholmstrom> no way
19:01 < Macen> ?!?!
19:01 < fholmstrom> poser, no fucking way ;p
19:01 < Macen> you are most certainly aware of the camera, sir!
19:01 < fholmstrom> ofc. i am
19:02 < fholmstrom> but posing? no.
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19:02 < fholmstrom> but anyway
19:02 < fholmstrom> yeah spots = suck
19:02 < Macen> hahahah
19:02 < Macen> you are banned
19:02 < fholmstrom> but makeup > spots
19:02 < fholmstrom> so /care
19:02 < Macen> makeup doesn't suit me 
19:02 < fholmstrom> suits me ;P
19:02 < Macen> so /care ! :p
19:02 < Macen> haha cool
19:02 < Macen> brb
19:02 < fholmstrom> brb 
19:02 < fholmstrom> getting a smoke
19:09 < fholmstrom> ok
19:09 < fholmstrom> there is a party here
19:09 < fholmstrom> and im on irc
19:09 < fholmstrom> and watching buffy
19:09 < fholmstrom> that is how good this party is
19:10 < Macen> play spin the bottle
19:10 < Macen> == automatic win
19:10 < fholmstrom> with 8 ugly gay guys, my brother, my cousine and one fat ugly chick?
19:10 < fholmstrom> NO THANKS
19:10 < fholmstrom> WHOEVER the bottle points at
19:10 < fholmstrom> i loose
19:10 < Macen> you clearly need more alcohol ;)
19:10 < fholmstrom> haha
19:10 < fholmstrom> nah but i already found
19:11 < Macen> mmh dunno...is it a party or are you chilling?
19:11 < fholmstrom> the girl im going to fuck tonight
19:11 < fholmstrom> its a party for THEM
19:11 < fholmstrom> for me its just SAD
19:11 < Macen> lawl k
19:11 < Macen> fuck 'em then :p
19:11 < fholmstrom> ya
19:11 < Macen> (maybe in a few hours you will take that literally :p)
19:11 < fholmstrom> no
19:11 < Macen> yes
19:11 < fholmstrom> already found my girl for tonight
19:11 < Macen> clearly !
19:12 < Macen> haha go for it
19:12 < fholmstrom> shes a bit to large for my taste normally(size 36-38, prefer them 32-34), but she got such a HOT face
19:12 < fholmstrom> and great ass
19:12 < fholmstrom> so yeah, ican live with she being a bit to large for my taste
19:12 < Macen> what's that? size 12?
19:12 < fholmstrom> hm
19:12 < fholmstrom> what country u from?
19:12 < Macen> UK
19:12 < fholmstrom> hm 
19:12 < fholmstrom> lets put it like this
19:12 < Macen> lowest size is size 4
19:13 < fholmstrom> size 28 = anorectic, size 32 = thin, size 34 = still thing, 36 = normal, 38 = tiny tiny overwieght
19:13 < Macen> ya i see
19:13 < fholmstrom> and shes like
19:13 < fholmstrom> 36-38
19:13 < Macen> prolly a 12
19:13 < Macen> 10 is 'average' here
19:13 < fholmstrom> then shes 11
19:13 < fholmstrom> shes not fat at all
19:13 < fholmstrom> just
19:13 < fholmstrom> not as thin as i want em
19:13 < Macen> love handles? :p
19:13 < fholmstrom> ;P
19:13 < fholmstrom> hm
19:14 < fholmstrom> nah
19:14 < fholmstrom> just, a tiny bit over avarage
19:14 < fholmstrom> but 
19:14 < fholmstrom> i prefer
19:14 < Macen> dunno then
19:14 < fholmstrom> 30-32
19:14 < Macen> skinnier the better i agree
19:14 < fholmstrom> above anorectic, but still really really skinny
19:14 < fholmstrom> and small breats
19:14 < fholmstrom> breasts
19:14 < fholmstrom> I DONT LIKE big boobs
19:14 < Macen> anorexic is fine by me lol
19:14 < fholmstrom> sure they look good with a bra and clothes on
19:14 < fholmstrom> but when u take that braa of
19:14 < fholmstrom> they just come falling out
19:14 < fholmstrom> and honestly
19:15 < fholmstrom> bah
19:15 < fholmstrom> its just fugly as hell
19:15 < Macen> they have to be pert is what you mean
19:15 < fholmstrom> ye
19:15 < fholmstrom> perky
19:15 < Macen> yah
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19:15 < fholmstrom> my ex = best boobs and ass ive ever seen
19:15 < fholmstrom> her ass
19:15 < fholmstrom> man
19:15 < fholmstrom> god i loved to fuck her in the ass
19:15 < fholmstrom> hottest one ever.
19:15 < Macen> swine 
19:15 < fholmstrom> :P
19:16 < Macen> bah brb
19:16 < fholmstrom> !!
19:16 < Macen> sure it's just wind but :p
19:16 < fholmstrom> ;p
19:16 < fholmstrom> but all in all
19:16 < fholmstrom> analsex = not that big of a deal
19:16 < fholmstrom> i prefer a really really good blowjo
19:16 < fholmstrom> blowjob
19:16 < fholmstrom> with that blowjob-look with her looking up ;P
19:16 < fholmstrom> and big eyes then
19:16 < fholmstrom> ;P
19:16 < fholmstrom> <3
19:16 < fholmstrom> man
19:16 < fholmstrom> ai want a blowjob tonight
19:16 < fholmstrom> gotta gett one
19:17 < fholmstrom> anyway
19:17 < fholmstrom> 3 new girls arrived
19:17 < fholmstrom> gotta go inspect em
19:17 < fholmstrom> but theyre prolly ugly
19:17 < fholmstrom> so brb 5 mins
19:22 < Macen> haha
19:23 < Macen> see you later
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21:04  * Wombert blinks
21:04 < Wombert> seriously
21:04 < Wombert> some of the discussions in here
21:04 < Wombert> do not want
21:04 < Wombert> k?
21:04 < Wombert> thx
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21:26 < Macen> hi Wombert
21:30 < Macen> talking of star trek
21:31 < Macen> they started doing repeats at 2am on weekends on the bbc
21:31 < Macen> watching them back is major win
21:31 < Macen> they use terminology that is years ahead of the era
21:31 < Macen> you could say they invented some of the terms we use today
21:32 < Macen> madddnessss
21:32 < Macen> i <3 data heh
21:40 < fholmstrom> ok
21:40 < fholmstrom> if i was drunk  b4
21:40 < fholmstrom> this is 
21:40 < fholmstrom> like
21:40 < fholmstrom> a new
21:40 < fholmstrom> level
21:40 < fholmstrom> of
21:40 < fholmstrom> drunkness
21:40 < fholmstrom> yesus fuck
21:40 < fholmstrom> this is fucking
21:40 < fholmstrom> horrrible
21:41 < fholmstrom> and i broke my laptop
21:41 < fholmstrom> cos
21:41 < fholmstrom> i spilled
21:41 < fholmstrom> like
21:41 < fholmstrom> half a liter
21:41 < fholmstrom> of wine
21:41 < fholmstrom> into my laptop
21:41 < fholmstrom> :(
21:42 < fholmstrom> Macen: WAKE UP
21:42 < fholmstrom> marklar|omni: WAKE UP
21:42 < fholmstrom> im boored
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22:06 < fholmstrom> yo niggahs
22:06 < fholmstrom> WAKE UP
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22:43 < fholmstrom> OMG
22:43 < fholmstrom> WAKE UP
22:43 < fholmstrom> FFS:
22:43 < fholmstrom> IM BOOOOOORED
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23:26 < CIA-5> david * r2616 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/config/rng/: rng subdir for RELAX NG schemas
23:32 < CIA-5> david * r2617 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/ (6 files in 2 dirs): bundle ISO Schematron Skeleton and ISO Schematron ISO SVRL implementation
23:33 < CIA-5> david * r2618 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/ (4 files in 3 dirs): first take on a schematron implementation... validation works, but error reporting is tbd
23:35 < CIA-5> david * r2619 /trunk/LICENSE: PHPUnit license info in main LICENSE file
23:35 < Wombert> time to go home >
23:35 < Wombert> bai
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05:48 < Greg_> whee
05:48 < Greg_> i feel really good: 
05:48 < Greg_> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.php/browse_thread/thread/041c5374935cf809?hl=en
05:48 < Greg_> about the response.
06:31 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:56 < marklar|omni> ohai
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07:09 < marklar|omni> sup cheerios
07:14 < _cheerios> huomenta marklar & crew
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07:22 < MiekSeht> hay guis
07:29 < marklar|omni> wassah
07:29 < marklar|omni> hai miek
07:30 < marklar|omni> tal got a haircut
07:30 < marklar|omni> :DDDD
07:31 < MiekSeht> oh lawd
07:31 < MiekSeht> that was long
07:31 < marklar|omni> ya
07:33 < marklar|omni> now he's all like
07:33 < marklar|omni> "my head is cold :("
07:35 < MiekSeht> hahahaha
07:35 < MiekSeht> i should shave bald again
07:36 < marklar|omni> kek
07:36 < marklar|omni> oh man
07:36 < marklar|omni> I got my new backpack
07:36 < marklar|omni> (gf bought it for birthday)
07:36 < marklar|omni> so full of win.
07:36 < MiekSeht> i got a day at ~
07:36 < MiekSeht> ;>
07:36 < marklar|omni> do want.
07:36 < marklar|omni> http://products.lowepro.com/product/CompuTrekker-AW,1924,16.htm
07:43 < MiekSeht> wiit
07:43 < MiekSeht> winnor
07:45 < marklar|omni> ya it pwns
07:45 < marklar|omni> a little large, but spacious
07:47 < MiekSeht> but laptop doesnt fit there does it
07:51 < marklar|omni> sure does
07:53 < MiekSeht> orly?
07:53 < MiekSeht> so its cam + laptop?
07:53 < MiekSeht> winnor
07:54 < marklar|omni> yah
07:54 < marklar|omni> srsly winnar
07:54 < marklar|omni> the lappy is hidden in the back compartment
07:54 < marklar|omni> which is barely visible
07:54 < marklar|omni> and the fold-out flap for the cam is really comfy
07:54 < marklar|omni> and there's a lot of room for misc stuff like chargers and shit
07:54 < marklar|omni> plus modular compartments etc
07:56 < MiekSeht> cams <3
07:57 < MiekSeht> I installed Ubuntu
07:57 < MiekSeht> man it kicks ass
07:57 < MiekSeht> everything works
07:57 < MiekSeht> even the wireless almost worked out of the box
07:57 < MiekSeht> i has nice window effects etc etc
07:58 < MiekSeht> windows sugz
08:00 < marklar|omni> nice
08:06 < marklar|omni> can has tf2 on it, tho?
08:08 < MiekSeht> in wine 1.0?
08:08  * MiekSeht ponderz
08:10 < marklar|omni> it'd prolly run
08:10 < marklar|omni> but slowly
08:15 < marklar|omni> meh
08:15 < marklar|omni> MiekSeht
08:15 < marklar|omni> html parsing in php?
08:15 < marklar|omni> probably badly formed
08:16 < MiekSeht> badly formed, use a streaming parser
08:18 < marklar|omni> http://code.google.com/p/pushxml/
08:18 < marklar|omni> whaddaya think?
08:19 < MiekSeht> jews did wtc
08:19 < MiekSeht> oh wait
08:19 < MiekSeht> sounds nice
08:19 < marklar|omni> ya
08:19 < marklar|omni> might save me some time
08:19 < MiekSeht> i usually do this with hpricot
08:19 < marklar|omni> needs to be php
08:19 < marklar|omni> otherwise I'd do it in java :D
08:20 < MiekSeht> oh kek
08:21 < marklar|omni> hrm
08:21 < marklar|omni> got any nice sources that use hpricot, though?
08:21 < marklar|omni> I'd rather not reinvent the wheel :D
08:21 < MiekSeht> no but hpricot basically understands xpath
08:21 < MiekSeht> and is well documented
08:22 < marklar|omni> eh, I need a tiny subset of the document anyway
08:22 < marklar|omni> could probably even use regexps
08:22 < marklar|omni> but that is the road to fail
08:22 < MiekSeht> for great juftife
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08:49 < marklar|omni> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.02/phreaks_pr.html
08:49 < marklar|omni> kekek
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08:54 < MikeSeth> durr
08:58 < marklar|omni> freep
08:58 < marklar|omni> so you're at ~, rite?
08:58 < wooot_> i googled anal sex with old chicks and found this channel
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08:59 < marklar|omni> -> topic 
08:59 < marklar|omni> kek
08:59 < MikeSeth> huh
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08:59 < MikeSeth> i dont see us anywhere in the search results
09:00 < MikeSeth> keke
09:00 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: do we haz milk @~?
09:00 < MikeSeth> i thinks
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10:31 < Wombert> ya
10:35 < Wombert> fuck
10:35 < Wombert> my ankle
10:35 < Wombert> :<<<<<
10:38 < _cheerios> atleast you don't have neighbours chain smoking on the balcony 24/7 on sunny days
10:45 < MikeSeth> huh
10:45 < MikeSeth> i didnt poke you in the ankle!
10:45  * MikeSeth pets Wombert 
10:46 < MikeSeth> _cheerios, we chain smoke ourselves on sunny days
10:48 < Wombert> nah snapped it
10:48 < Wombert> badly
10:48 < Wombert> yesterday
10:48 < Wombert> and now it feels like completely destroyed and I can't walk at all
10:49 < Wombert> my foot's been bad for weeks... I did something wrong to it (shoes to small or whatever) and then the instep got numb and I couldn't lift the foot
10:49 < Wombert> which two doctors said was due a crimped nerve
10:49 < Wombert> which would go away
10:49 < Wombert> but that was four weeks ago or something
10:49 < Wombert> meh
10:50 < marklar|omni> wombert is broken
10:50  * marklar|omni steals Wombert's wallet
10:50 < Wombert> and I snap the ankle pretty much every day cause I don't have proper control over the foot
10:50 < Wombert> but yesterday, it was really bad
10:50 < Wombert> didn't hurt
10:50 < Wombert> much
10:50 < Wombert> went to bed
10:50 < Wombert> woke up
10:50 < Wombert> booooooh
11:07 < fholmstrom> ye ok
11:07 < fholmstrom> hangover
11:07 < fholmstrom> fuckityfuckfuck
11:08 < fholmstrom> hungover2k5.
11:24 < Wombert> http://blog.wombert.de/post/43696022/font-conference
11:30 < _cheerios> sweet :)
11:36 < MikeSeth> I installed Ubuntu! and it rocks! I'm setting up my dev environment here nao
11:38 < _cheerios> marklar didn't get you to use fbsd?
11:41 < MikeSeth> i was too lazy 
11:41 < MikeSeth> Wombert, lol that is hilarious
11:44 < marklar|omni> iirc, Ubuntu is african for "freebsd it too hard"
11:44 < marklar|omni> s/it/is/g 
11:44 < marklar|omni> :D
11:49 < fholmstrom> haha
11:49 < fholmstrom> marklar|omni: best line ive heard all day
11:58 < fholmstrom> Wombert: impl just called me ^^V
11:58 < Wombert> what'd he say, fholmstrom :p
11:58 < fholmstrom> well going to meet him later in town
11:58 < fholmstrom> if im not to hung over
11:58 < fholmstrom> ;P
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12:53 < marklar|omni> urgh
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14:11 < _cheerios> kde got aids or summit, as after a crash it won't load proper anymore . instead it likes to suck up 12G+ of swap running itself. :|
14:11 < Macen> i chose gnome
14:11 < Macen> it was the first in the list :>
14:11 < Macen> Konversation is pretty cool
14:11 < Wombert> is that how you vote at polls, too?
14:12 < Macen> it has terminal 
14:12 < Macen> therefore win\
14:12 < Macen> i nearly went for text-based internet 
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14:16 < marklar|omni> heh
14:16 < marklar|omni> _cheerios: fluxbox ftw kthx
14:17 < MikeSeth> ion3
14:17 < MikeSeth> kthx
14:17 < marklar|omni> sameshit kthx
14:22 < _cheerios> probably all the previous problems i had with this box coming back with a vengeance
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14:29 < marklar|omni> heh
14:29 < marklar|omni> _cheerios: computers hate you
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15:47 < _cheerios> seems kde fail was due a corrupted cache for ksycoca
16:00 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni, zomg
16:00 < MikeSeth> steam running in wine
16:01 < MikeSeth> zomg you get all compiz effects in steam
16:01 < MikeSeth> holy lol
16:01 < MikeSeth> oh dear it even has internet explorer emulation using gecko
16:38 < _cheerios> haha http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2008/07/feds_to_katrinians_go_spork_yo.php
17:17 < marklar|omni> oh nais
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18:15 < marklar|omni> ohai
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18:33 < marklar|omni> kek
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18:45 < _cheerios> oh, what a nice jog does to thee
18:48 < marklar|omni> heart attacks.
18:55 < marklar|omni> w
18:55 < marklar|omni> er
19:05 < marklar|omni> ah finally
19:05 < marklar|omni> got accepted on shutterstock
19:05 < marklar|omni> fgj
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19:08 < _cheerios> let the money pour in!
19:09 < _cheerios> i learned a new word: weeaboo
19:10 < marklar|omni> wtf does that mean
19:11 < _cheerios> "Someone who is obsessed with Japan/Japanese Culture/Anime, etc. and attempts to act as if they were Japanese, even though they're far from it. They use Japanese words but usually end up pronouncing them wrong and sounding like total assholes. You can find alot of these faggots clogging up the forums of Gaia Online, hanging out in the international aisle of the supermarket, or crowding the manga section of your local
19:11 < _cheerios> bookstore. Synonym of wapanese." originally from a comic, http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF071-Weeaboo.gif
19:16 < marklar|omni> fags
19:16 < marklar|omni> you mean.
19:16 < marklar|omni> japfags, specifically.
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20:06 < impl> fholmstrom: Still hungover huh?
20:06 < impl> ;p
20:06 < E_mE[Stilgar]> evenign impl
20:07 < E_mE[Stilgar]> hows Deuschland going?
20:07 < impl> E_mE[Stilgar]: I'm in Sweden right now
20:07 < impl> ;p
20:07 < E_mE[Stilgar]> ah nice, where abouts?
20:07 < impl> Jönköping
20:08 < _cheerios> whereabouts in Jönköping?
20:09 < impl> um
20:09 < impl> I don't know :>
20:09 < E_mE[Stilgar]> you like sweden? i would like to visit sometime
20:09 < impl> It's on top of a hill...
20:09 < impl> E_mE[Stilgar]: It's wonderfully pretty here
20:09 < impl> E_mE[Stilgar]: and there isn't anything that can hurt you in the least
20:09 < E_mE[Stilgar]> oh polar bears =P
20:10 < impl> psh
20:10 < _cheerios> skängeberg?
20:11 < _cheerios> jönköping was flooding last year iirc, i wonder if it shows at all
20:11 < impl> It is not far from the Centrum
20:11 < E_mE[Stilgar]> im 26 today... no longer a 1/4 century :)
20:11 < impl> E_mE[Stilgar]: hah, happy birthday!
20:11 < E_mE[Stilgar]> thanks
20:11 < E_mE[Stilgar]> :)
20:11 < E_mE[Stilgar]> you looking forward to visiting london in 2 weeks times?
20:12 < impl> yeah :D
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21:14 < impl> :O
21:14 < Wombert> alrite
21:14 < Wombert> top gear
21:14 < Wombert> then zZzzzzZzZZzzZZZ
21:17 < impl> lawl
21:17 < impl> kbai
21:31 < Wombert> ohbtw impl 
21:31 < Wombert> I implemented Schematron support
21:31 < impl> That was quick :>
21:31 < Wombert> it doesn't read SVRL info from the result yet though
21:31 < impl> okay
21:32 < Wombert> that's something you could do next week :>
21:32 < impl> I will work on that on Tuesday
21:32 < impl> yar
21:32 < Wombert> it's a lot of info and combinations to cover
21:32 < Wombert> text info, no text info, element context etc etc
21:32 < Wombert> was it a failed assert or a successful report
21:32 < Wombert> and so on
21:32 < Wombert> also
21:32 < impl> aye
21:32 < Wombert> someone needs to figure out what exactly the difference is between assertions and reports
21:32 < Wombert> and
21:32 < impl> <report> is for positive
21:32 < impl> <assert> is for negative
21:33 < Wombert> it needs check if the document is valid SVRL
21:33 < Wombert> and
21:33 < Wombert> it needs checks if any of the intermediate steps yielded a document at all
21:33 < impl> How can it not be valid SVRL?
21:33 < Wombert> if someone supplies a wrong implementation
21:33 < Wombert> although I haven't made it configurable (yet) anyway
21:34 < Wombert> I had the wrong NS in a .sch file and the result was an empty doc (only xml prolog)
21:34 < Wombert> which caused importStylesheet() to complain with a cryptic error message :>
21:34 < Wombert> anyways
21:34 < Wombert> gtg
21:34 < Wombert> bai mate, see you tuesday, right?
21:34 < impl> Yeah :D
21:34 < impl> goodnight
21:34 < Wombert> ace
21:34 < Wombert> oh btw
21:34 < Wombert> if you drop by a supermarket
21:34 < Wombert> buy me Karl Fazer chocolate, kay?
21:35 < impl> haha, I'll see what I can do
21:37 < Wombert> Karl Fazer
21:37 < Wombert> blue
21:37 < impl> it's blue. k.
21:37 < Wombert> they have boxes with little chocolate candys
21:38 < Wombert> buy those
21:38 < impl> I'll try :>
21:38 < Wombert> either just milk chocolate, or half milk half white ones
21:38 < Wombert> you'll love them, so buy a pack for yourself
21:38 < impl> white chocolate is win
21:38 < impl> which one do you prefer
21:38 < Wombert> they're made of real milk, not milk powder
21:38 < Wombert> that's their secret
21:38 < Wombert> I think the 50/50 one was a special edition
21:38 < impl> oh okay
21:38 < Wombert> oh you mean
21:38 < Wombert> well
21:38 < Wombert> I used to love white chocolate
21:38 < Wombert> but nowadays I almost find it to sweet
21:39 < Wombert> 50/50 is perfect, or just the milk chocolate ones
21:39 < Wombert> :>
21:39 < Wombert> anyways
21:39 < Wombert> baiiii
21:39 < impl> kk
21:39 < Wombert> <3
21:39  * Wombert hugs impl 
21:39 < impl> bai <4
21:39 < impl> oh wait
21:39 < impl> <3
21:39 < Wombert> if not, v-dogg will bring me some next time I meet him :D
21:39 < impl> lawl
21:40 < Wombert> http://datahotelli.com/fazermakeiset/en/?productId=407183&brandId=5026830&productGroupCode=&searchTerm=&ingrTable=&specialDiet=
21:40 < Wombert> THOSE THOSE THOSE
21:40 < Wombert> _so awesome_
21:40 < impl> lawl k
21:40 < Wombert> if not, that same pack with just milk chocolate
21:40 < Wombert> kthx
21:40 < impl> I hope they will be okay in my laptop bag
21:40 < Wombert> :>
21:40 < impl> they might melt
21:41 < Wombert> :S
21:41 < Wombert> take them in a bag from the shop
21:41 < impl> ONE CARRYON PER PERSON
21:41 < impl> :<
21:41 < Wombert> oh you're not checking baggage?
21:41 < Wombert> fale
21:41 < Wombert> :>
21:41 < impl> Yeah I am
21:41 < Wombert> you are?
21:41 < impl> I have my laptop bag and my clothes
21:41 < Wombert> clothes checked?
21:41 < impl> Yeah
21:41 < Wombert> you can take one piece of luggage AND a laptop bag into the cabin
21:41 < impl> not on KLM
21:41 < Wombert> wat
21:42 < impl> I don't think
21:42 < Wombert> stupid dutchies
21:42 < impl> maybe I am lise
21:42 < Wombert> ah well you'll manage
21:42 < Wombert> no stress bout this anyway
21:42 < Wombert> enjoy the day, don't spend it on hunting down chocolate
21:42 < impl> I'm sure it tastes the same either way :P
21:42 < Wombert> damnit
21:42 < Wombert> I gtg
21:42 < Wombert> cheers man
21:42 < impl> lawl okay
21:42 < impl> cya
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04:17 < Greg_> hey all
04:17 < Greg_> pal's poppin
04:17 < Greg_> hows everyone doin
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05:24 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:09 < Wombert> huomentaaaaaaa
06:10 < _cheerios> huomenta!
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06:31 < Wombert> hai MugeSo 
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06:37 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
06:42 < MugeSo> huomenta
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06:46 < Whisller> huomenta
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06:51 < _cheerios> anyone for a morning routing workout? re question http://pastie.org/242329
06:54 < Wombert> why do you want a trailing slash
06:55 < _cheerios> so it works with or without
06:55 < Wombert> the main problem is that you have a - in the url, but not in the pattern...
06:55 < Wombert> yeah but why?
06:55 < Wombert> I mean... :>
06:56 < _cheerios> yeah, ty. i noticed that myself just now, fixed that and works fine. then it amazed me that the re has worked fine there even when the title has had the -
06:56 < MugeSo> for SEO, i make this view http://pastie.org/242333
06:56 < Wombert> in /29146/foo-bar/ERROR, title is "foo"
06:57 < Wombert> if any, why not do it in the web server
06:57 < Wombert> but I still don't get that trailing slash thing
06:57 < _cheerios> imo it's not an error if the / is added to the url
06:57 < Wombert> it's web servers who append them, usually, to directories, not resources
06:57 < Wombert> it is, _cheerios 
06:57 < Wombert> it's a different url
06:58 < Wombert> it will also bite you in the ass as it means duplicate content on google
06:58 < Wombert> www.site.com/products/
06:58 < Wombert> www.site.com/products/81261
06:58 < Wombert> those make sense
06:58 < Wombert> not www.site.com/products/81261
07:00 < _cheerios> does the web server know how to append it proper, if so, i don't mind it doing it that way. point is just for / and no / to work, ideally going to same url (like the redirect there w/MugeSo)
07:04 < _cheerios> is your example missing a slash there, or am i confused? :)
07:06 < Wombert> yeah :ö
07:06 < Wombert> not www.site.com/products/81261/
07:10 < _cheerios> so in conclusion, imo foo/81261 and foo/81261/ should both work, and then one of them would redirect to the other, given how you want your site to behave.
07:12 < Wombert> I'd want a 404 for the trailing slash
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07:18 < MugeSo> i think if the correct url is foo/81261, should return 404 for foo/81261/, but the one is foo/81261/ should return redirect for foo/81261 
07:19 < MugeSo> apache do like this.
07:19 < MugeSo> if pathinfo is off :p
07:20 < E_mA> huomenta
07:21 < MugeSo> huomenta
07:22 < _cheerios> is there an easy way to catch this at agavi-stage, as you can't tell what route nearly matched (slash at end) ? Or just redirect all urls with slash to be the same url without one?
07:23 < Wombert> apache does that with mod_dir if it finds that the given url is actually a dir path with a missing trailing slash
07:23 < Wombert> that is for the millions of stupid people who can't enter a url properly
07:23 < Wombert> why do it the other way round... it's nonsense either way
07:23 < _cheerios> im not using apache, and these custom resources won't map to dirs?
07:23 < Wombert> look at the sites out there that have dynamic backends
07:23 < Wombert> none of them does it like this
07:24 < _cheerios> http://del.icio.us/url/c128a2fd7975b60282387c7ae614656e/ is http://del.icio.us/url/c128a2fd7975b60282387c7ae614656e . no redirect.
07:25 < _cheerios> delicious is a pretty dynamic site
07:26 < _cheerios> same with Digg
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07:32 < MugeSo> I write ruting rule for each url like http://pastie.org/242345, _cheerios
07:35 < _cheerios> doesn't get more robust than that with agavi i suppose
07:38 < _cheerios> i wonder if these $ checks fail with subactions, as you need the action in the parent route, for it to be picked up
07:42 < _cheerios> eg. <route name=".forum" pattern="^/forum" action=".Forum">
07:49 < Hamerr> which one is better : to keep config in xml files or to store it in database ? as I see you are using only xml files.
07:49 < _cheerios> i suppose one is required to write the full sub-action chain, eg. Foo.Forum.Something in these cases
07:49 < _cheerios> Hamerr: depends on the configs
07:50 < Hamerr> _cheerios : routing,password,locales etc core configuration
07:51 < MugeSo> hmm
07:54 < _cheerios> i prefer xml for all. i can see the benefits if want to provide a fully hosted solution with an admin backend that tweaks agavi configs, and is able to convert to proper xml in the end.
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07:56 < _cheerios> if there was somekind of debug/admin toolbar, quick settings for debug on/off, caching, logging, etc would be very handy
07:57 < rick111> morning friends
07:57 < rick111> yes, I pulled again over the weekend
07:57 < rick111> omfg im on fire
07:57 < Hamerr> _cheerios thanks 
07:57 < Hamerr> i`ll try too keep on xml 
07:58 < _cheerios> rick111: what did you pull? a truck? a joke?
07:58 < rick111> a bird
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08:00 < rick111> sup Macen bro?
08:02 < rick111> she was only 18 though
08:02 < rick111> which is kinda young
08:04 < rick111> see what appens
08:04 < rick111> it's her birthday next weekend anyhow
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08:19 < Wombert> omnom
08:19 < Wombert> </pretzel>
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08:30 < marklar|omni> ohai
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08:44 < _cheerios> anyone got a quick model primer? with models, when passing params to them, how do you access them (+what changes did your model need)?
08:45 < rick111> so, on irc, if the answer is no (as it in fact is, to your question _cheerios) do you say 'no' or just not answer at all?
08:46 < _cheerios> got it, was reading the docs but they were wrong (shhould be initialize($ctx,$params) not (initialize($params))
08:46 < Wombert> you just don't answer
08:47 < _cheerios> usually if you don't know, you don't speak
08:47 < rick111> aok
08:47 < Wombert> a lot of newbies (and some morons) drop by a channel, ask a question, and leave two minutes later
08:47 < Wombert> so if you ask
08:47 < Wombert> wait
08:47 < Wombert> patiently
08:47 < Wombert> since everyone is busy, has jobs, families, blah blah
08:47 < rick111> feelin ya bro
08:47 < Wombert> :>
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08:50 < marklar|omni> ...
08:50 < marklar|omni> heh
08:50 < marklar|omni> first two sales on shutterstock within 12hrs of upload
08:50 < marklar|omni> iz nais.
08:51 < _cheerios> wombert: btw. why is it by default that the AgaviModel takes $parameters, but doesn't save them anywhere (that i can tell)? 
08:53 < _cheerios> http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/src/model/AgaviModel.class.php (initialize()) -- or am i looking in the wrong places?
08:54 < _cheerios> marklar|omni: have you found the ultimate get-rich-scheme?
08:56 < Wombert> impl: http://www.dpawson.co.uk/schematron/diagnostics.html win
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09:09 < marklar|omni> _cheerios: hehe
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09:33 < selloso> Huomenta all guys, and especcially Wombert Yes, I know I'm late but now I'm here to take care about the 1und1 issue :)
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09:48 < Macen> boom
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10:04 < rick111> [09:00] <rick111> sup Macen bro?
10:09 < impl> Wombert: I told you that you could do stuff like that :>
10:14 < Wombert> toldchusooo
10:14 < Wombert> btw impl
10:14 < Wombert> lol
10:14 < Wombert> I have to laugh from just thinking about it
10:15 < Macen> hihi
10:15 < Wombert> remind me to show you top gear
10:15 < Wombert> and what they said about americans
10:15 < Wombert> :>>>>
10:15 < impl> okay :(
10:15 < Macen> rick111: not much, currently debating over which colo to go with
10:16 < Wombert> ah wait I have it impl 
10:17 < rick111> colo?
10:17 < Wombert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpCkXVvETEI watch from 3:00
10:17 < impl> colo[cation provider]
10:17 < Wombert> pokes impl 
10:17 < rick111> sounds erm... technical
10:17 < impl> Wombert: I WILL WATCH IT IN ONE SECOND!
10:18 < impl> slow wireless is slow
10:18 < Wombert> impl: 3:00 to 4:30
10:18 < Wombert> so fucking lol
10:18 < Wombert> I laughed for two minutes in a row
10:19 < impl> I'll just watch it when I get home
10:19  * impl bookmarks
10:19 < Wombert> fale wifis are fale
10:19 < impl> it's connected to a 10mbps hub
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10:21 < Macen> rick111: colocation, they host your server for you
10:27 < Wombert> http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-0/#DerivExt nice
10:27 < Wombert> err http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-0/#UseDerivInInstDocs akshully
10:28 < rick111> ahhhhh
10:28 < rick111> I use linode, they are very very good
10:28 < rick111> www.linode.com
10:29 < rick111> they've got an active irc channel as well
10:29 < impl> Wombert: but hmm
10:29 < impl> then you have to put this xsi stuff into your actual XML
10:29 < impl> rick111: VPS is not the same thing as colocation.
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10:30 < Wombert> impl: oh I just noticed it
10:30 < Wombert> not saying that we should use it
10:30 < impl> okay :>
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10:31 < Wombert> I was looking on advice regarding order of validations against the schema
10:31 < Wombert> after all, a schema can provide default values for attributes and stuff
10:31 < Wombert> so it might matter
10:35 < rick111> ahh ok, thanks
10:36 < Wombert> lunch
10:36 < Wombert> omnom
10:36  * Wombert &
10:38 < Macen> rick111: i've bought my own server, 160GB dual HDD and 6GB RAM with QuadCore 2ghz processor
10:39 < Macen> rick111: need somewhere to host it, RapidSwitch charge £34/mo but their network doesn't connect to LINX very well
10:39 < Macen> the *best* network connectivity is from jump.net.uk
10:40 < Macen> if i went locally, 1ucolocation.co.uk would suffice
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10:59 < rick111> Macen you have, or the business you work for?
10:59 < rick111> linx as in, linux?
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11:06 < Wombert> my guess would be London INternet eXchange
11:07 < rick111> ahhhh, yes, i think you may be on the money there
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12:01 < marklar|omni> ohai
12:03 < Wombert> hai2u marklar|omni 
12:05 < marklar|omni> sup
12:17 < Wombert> not much
12:17 < Wombert> wrestling with xml config stuff
12:31 < CIA-5> david * r2621 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/config/AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php: some cleanup and fixes
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12:53 < Wombert> eh impl 
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13:18 < CIA-5> david * r2622 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/config/AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php: more docs, cleanup
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13:20 < digitarald> heya
13:29 < Wombert> woot
13:29 < Wombert> germany is hotter than spain
13:30 < Wombert> sez radio
13:30 < Wombert> :>
13:30 < marklar|omni> hotter as in weather?
13:32 < CIA-5> david * r2623 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/config/ (2 files in 2 dirs): and more cleanup, in, heh, cleanup() :>
13:32 < Wombert> marklar|omni: among others
13:32 < Wombert> hmm I need to find something to add to AgaviXmlConfigParser
13:32 < Wombert> so it has A THOUSAND lines
13:32 < Wombert> xDDDD
13:34 < marklar|omni> /* ohai */
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13:36  * Wombert ponders
13:36 < Wombert> akshully
13:36 < Wombert> I could wrap all this dom shit
13:36 < Wombert> so it throws exceptions
13:36  * Wombert ponders
13:36 < Wombert> that'd allow me to get rid of all the ugly libxml_get_errors() lalala funcs
13:36 < Wombert> hmhm
13:44 < Macen> rick111: LINX is part of the UK network
13:45 < Macen> rick111: i'm a sole trader atm, currently building up a portfolio
13:45 < Macen> have been for 3 years... ;)
13:50 < CIA-5> david * r2624 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/config/AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php: revert change in [2615] as that broke things completely... and added new version
13:50 < CIA-5> david * r2625 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/config/AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php: I should save before committing... duh
13:51 < CIA-5> david * r2626 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/config/AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php: unset fix, meh
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13:59 < rick111> Macen nice man
13:59 < rick111> doing what?
13:59 < Macen> web design / development
13:59 < Macen> primarily 
13:59 < rick111> nice, got any good ref sites?
14:00 < Macen> i'm getting there
14:00 < rick111> you doing ok with the credit cruch?
14:01 < rick111> crunch*
14:01 < Macen> cgsurveying.co.uk is the flagship i suppose at the moment, panaz9.youds.com will be soon though
14:01 < Macen> not noticed it tbh
14:02 < rick111> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.cgsurveying.co.uk/
14:02 < rick111> site down
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14:13 < Macen> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.google.co.uk/
14:13 < Macen> ??
14:13 < Macen> It's just you. cgsurveying.co.uk is up. 
14:14 < rick111> naaaa it's down that
14:14 < rick111> cgsurveying.co.uk (without www) comes back with Unknown server in /index.php: cgsurveying.co.uk
14:14 < rick111> with (www) the page times out
14:15 < Macen> It's just you. www.cgsurveying.co.uk is up. 
14:15 < Macen> i'm changing server soon anyway
14:16 < Macen> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.cgsurveying.co.uk
14:20 < Macen> rick111: cgsurveying.co.uk/welcome
14:20 < Macen> it may be my page controller 
14:20 < Macen> it checks for no javascript
14:21 < Macen> shouldn't time out as i don't set headers
14:21 < Macen> but er, yeh lol
14:21 < rick111> hehe Unknown server in /index.php: cgsurveying.co.uk on "cgsurveying.co.uk/welcome" 4 me, madness
14:22 < rick111> go ed, proxy it
14:22 < rick111> http://www.hellomyfriend.cn/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL2Nnc3VydmV5aW5nLmNvLnVrL3dlbGNvbWU%3D&hl=3ed
14:25 < Macen> yeh that's the page controller
14:26 < rick111> boooooo
14:26 < Macen> it allows "www.cgsurveying.co.uk" and "imac"
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14:26 < rick111> imac ??
14:26 < Macen> localhost
14:27 < Macen> these days i edit the index.php (located in either ./ or ./pub) when i run the upload command
14:27 < Macen> and filter out the RewriteBase values...etc....
14:27 < Macen> so I don't have to worry about those things
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14:27 < rick111> ahhhhh
14:28 < rick111> why dod you say imac instead of local host?
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14:28 < Macen> because that's what it is, "imac"
14:30 < rick111> lol
14:31 < rick111> :/
14:31 < rick111> noes
14:31 < Macen> when i installed leopard
14:31 < Macen> it asked me what the servername should be
14:31 < Macen> i called it imac
14:31 < Macen> so it's imac :)
14:31 < rick111> ahhhhh
14:32 < rick111> the computers name!
14:32 < marklar|omni> failmac
14:32 < Macen> fuckyoumac
14:32 < Macen> <3
14:32 < rick111> haha!
14:38 < marklar|omni> kek :D
14:38 < E_mA> hi hi
14:38 < marklar|omni> sup
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14:39 < E_mE> 1 year old since yday :(
14:39 < E_mE> 26 now
14:39 < E_mE> older*
14:39 < E_mE> how about your self?
14:40 < rick111> 26, ohhhhh
14:44 < E_mE> rick111 you older then me ;)
14:47 < marklar|omni> heh
14:49 < ttj> Age is merely a perception. :o
14:49 < ttj> Or a state of mind.
14:50 < Wombert> oh happy belated birthday then E_mE 
14:50 < Wombert> ttj: wassap with your NSN visit plans
14:50 < rick111> 24, 25 in september
14:50 < ttj> Wombert: Trying to deal with my credit card bill first. :P
14:50 < rick111> i feel like shit today
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14:51 < ttj> For some odd reason these warm weathers have sort of resulted in quite a bit of partying. :P
14:51 < Wombert> ttj: convince the boss <:
14:51 < ttj> I don't think he's convinced that I have to go to Munich. :P
14:51 < Wombert> bribe him
14:51 < Wombert> take him along
14:51 < ttj> "Oh, what a coincidence, you need to go to Munich right when it's Oktoberfest..." :P
14:52 < Wombert> or accept the challenge and bother him until he gives in
14:52 < ttj> Well, I think I'd rather not involve him in this so I still have some good will left when I'm negotiating about salaries the next time round. :P
14:53 < E_mE> thank you Wombert :)
14:54 < E_mE> Wombert: do you see loads of Aussies in vans at Oktoberfest??
14:54 < Wombert> nah just tons of wasted ones
14:55 < Wombert> they drink like a fish until they realize that it's not nearly as hot as back in Oz
14:55 < Wombert> which means they can't drink as much
14:55 < Wombert> and then it's already too late <:
14:55 < Wombert> anyways
14:55 < Wombert> work ->
14:57 < E_mE> Wombert: yes i met fair amount of them in Lagos in Portugal on the first leg of there trip to Oktoberfest loud ignorance buggers, woke us up at 5am in the morning shouting out loud etc
14:57 < E_mE> but yes back to work :)
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15:10 < _cheerios> electricity company was kind enough to notify by mail that they're raising prices by 9%
15:10 < _cheerios> ttj: warm weathers that seem to be a thing of the past again
15:11 < ttj> _cheerios: Hmm?
15:11 < ttj> Ah.
15:11 < CIA-5> david * r2627 /trunk/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviExecutionTimeFilter.class.php): merge [2611:2626/branches/0.11]
15:11 < _cheerios> i was cycling home from work and barely broke a sweat due the wind and what felt like <20C in shade
15:14 < CIA-5> david * r2628 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/ (339 files in 53 dirs): merge [2599:2627/trunk]
15:26 < Macen> well, that's me skint again
15:27 < Macen> except for the cash i withdrew
15:27 < Macen> my bank manager will be scratching her head heh
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16:36 < E_mE> byeeee
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17:52 < MikeSeth> oh nice
17:52 < MikeSeth> niiice
17:53 < MikeSeth> <3 Agavi <3 <3
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21:01 < E_mE[Stilgar]> fantastic game of pyshics http://fantasticcontraption.com/
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05:34 < shoan> huomenta
05:41 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:00 < Whisller> huomenta
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06:51 < marklar|omni> oh waht
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07:33 < E_mE> huomenta
07:34 < E_mE> i found the most amazing game yday, where you have to construct machines to get over obsticals, which all follow theroies of pyhsics http://fantasticcontraption.com/
07:34 < _cheerios> huomenta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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07:47 < liutis> i dont understand why in generated file ......_Test_cache_Index.xml_production_web.php is empty $configs = array (); ...  And NO cache files is generated at all :( http://pastebin.ca/1086088
07:55 < _cheerios> slow down, what are you trying to do?
07:57 < liutis> just cache in Test module Index action, cant get it work
07:58 < liutis> enviroment is set to production
07:59 < liutis> yesterday spent half day and no results with caching
08:00 < marklar|omni> hehe
08:00 < marklar|omni> that game is pretty cool
08:01 < marklar|omni> so much for work today
08:01 < _cheerios> liutis: have you added a cache/Index.xml to your modules directory, to enable caching for that action?
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08:03 < _cheerios> sample caching setup for Default/IndexAction http://pastie.org/243044
08:06 < liutis> one minut
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08:17 < liutis> pum pum pum, now in file  ......_Test_cache_Index.xml_production_web.php $configs = array (IS FULL OF ELEMENTS);
08:17 < liutis> but no cache folders/files occour in app/cache 
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08:24 < rick111> hey friends
08:27 < rick111> not bad thanks
08:45 < marklar|omni> kek
08:47 < liutis> what else can make cache file not generated in production environment?
08:53 < _cheerios> debug=true
08:54 < liutis> i set it falsde
08:54 < liutis> false
08:54 < liutis> :/
08:54 < _cheerios> when caching works you'll get cached files in cache/content
08:55 < liutis> no content folder is generated
08:55 < liutis> them 2 config/ and data/
08:56 < liutis> in data generated get_text().....
08:56 < liutis> i dont have an idea
08:56 < marklar|omni> permissions?
08:57 < liutis> no errors is displeyed
08:57 < liutis> all works well and fast with envir production
08:57 < liutis> if i delete all folders in cache their are generated by agavi again no prob
08:59 < _cheerios> sure the Index.xml is in the correct place?
09:01 < liutis> if Index.xml file is in incorrect place, this file: app/cache/config/_var_www_www.abcc.lt__app_modules_Default_cache_Index.xml_production_web
09:01 < liutis> will be not generated
09:02 < liutis> because this file is generated then cache must egzist, but he is not
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09:08 < liutis> maybe i have to start from scratch agavi/sample and copy my project step/by step to new place
09:08 < liutis> and see what cousing it
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09:46 < MikeSeth> huomenta
09:46 < MikeSeth> i brokened doctrine lol
09:47 < MerlinDMC> bad thing ;)
09:51 < MerlinDMC> MikeSeth, do the records get deleted from db-table or does the delete nothing? (here it works - without query-cache) ^^
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10:06 < MikeSeth> MerlinDMC: records don't get deleted
10:06  * MikeSeth pets Wombert 
10:06 < MikeSeth> I tricked it by using DQL
10:06 < Wombert> hello MikeSeth 
10:06 < MikeSeth> Agavi is great
10:07 < MikeSeth> 800ms response time + hax = 200ms response time :D
10:09 < Wombert> hax? <:
10:10 < MikeSeth> well
10:10 < MikeSeth> enable apc, disable server side logging, cut down on app logging, use compiled doctrine, tweak server, use memcached
10:10 < MikeSeth> ;>
10:10 < Wombert> :p
10:11 < MikeSeth> 200ms here is including lag to USA
10:11 < MikeSeth> overall 10x performance improvement w/tuning
10:11 < MikeSeth> and that's with little code optimization
10:11 < Wombert> :p
10:11 < Wombert> use caching <:
10:11 < MikeSeth> its of little use here, because majority of load comes from XML responses for a flash client
10:12 < MikeSeth> and these are almost never the same
10:12 < Wombert> oic
10:13 < MikeSeth> now
10:13 < MikeSeth> let's quadruple the amount of bots and see what happens
10:17 < E_mE> pets MikeSeth :)
10:17 < MikeSeth> ohai
10:18 < E_mE> finally back from portugal and also one year older now =P
10:18 < E_mE> and swung right back into the hands of emacs ;)
10:18 < E_mE> no more eclipse for moi
10:18 < MikeSeth> mahahaha
10:18 < MikeSeth> E_mE: I'm hooked on Duffy
10:18 < MikeSeth> I saw the posters in London
10:18 < E_mE> Duffy?
10:18 < MikeSeth> and last.fm slipped me in some
10:18 < MikeSeth> E_mE: yeah the singer
10:19 < E_mE> not heard of s/he
10:19 < MikeSeth> oh man
10:19 < MikeSeth> she's sixties sounding blues singer
10:20 < E_mE> ah see see, Lorna might know something about here,,, Lorna loves her Blues and soul music
10:20 < E_mE> billie holiday and Joni mitchell etc
10:20 < MikeSeth> dunno what those are
10:20 < MikeSeth> hmm
10:20 < MikeSeth> load on the box: 40
10:20 < MikeSeth> nah do not want
10:20  * MikeSeth puts in 5 sec delay back
10:21 < E_mE> you full fledged agavi worker now?
10:21 < MikeSeth> no
10:21 < MikeSeth> still a corporate whore in the service of casino masters
10:21 < MikeSeth> though my situation > corporate jobs
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10:30 < MikeSeth> lol
10:30 < MikeSeth> autogenerated bot name
10:30 < MikeSeth> Maddox Mudkips
10:30 < MikeSeth> heh
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10:33 < Wombert> oi nfq 
10:36 < rick111> what?
10:36 < rick111> you talking to me sunshine?
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11:18 < marklar|omni> waagh
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11:32 < MikeSeth> so
11:32 < MikeSeth> E_mE converted to emacs
11:32 < MikeSeth> who's next
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11:33 < _cheerios> nowai?
11:33 < Whisller> only eclipse
11:35 < MikeSeth> wai
11:38 < _cheerios> what kind of tutorial link did you give him?
11:40 < MikeSeth> none
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12:18 < E_mE> _cheerios: what are you implying? ;)
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12:26 < MikeSeth> ummm
12:26 < MikeSeth> 313 	                    $ourClass = get_class($this);
12:26 < MikeSeth> 314 	                    call_user_func(array($ourClass, 'clearCache'), $groups);
12:26 < MikeSeth> why not self::clearCache($groups)?
12:27 < MikeSeth> Wombert: ^^^
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12:30 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: LSB-related?
12:30 < marklar|omni> although I don't see a direct reason to do it that way, tbh
12:30 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: I don't see the point at all, LSB or not
12:31 < MikeSeth> there's no difference between call_user_func() with an array containing the class name and self:: as far as I know
12:31 < MikeSeth> except call_user_func() is slower
12:31 < MikeSeth> also um
12:32 < MikeSeth> can I manually invalidate caches?
12:32 < Wombert> MikeSeth: lsb
12:32 < MikeSeth> Wombert: no comprende
12:32 < Wombert> if you have MyLolExecutionFilter
12:32 < Wombert> which uses memcache...
12:32 < MikeSeth> OH
12:32 < Wombert> then it must use that clearCache() func
12:32 < Wombert> its static for legacy reasons
12:32  * MikeSeth kicks PHP
12:33 < MikeSeth> dunno why I didnt think of it :<
12:33 < MikeSeth> Wombert: if I want to be able to conditionally invalidate caches, I need to have the parameters by which I invalidate available for group variable lookups amirite
12:39 < Wombert> sure
12:39 < Wombert> if your groups are... "products", $id and $locale... then array('products', 1512); removes the cache for product 1512
12:41 < rick111> who's bestest, MikeSeth or Wombert ?
12:41 < Wombert> eh what?
12:42 < rick111> at PHP
12:42 < rick111> who's the best...
12:43 < marklar|omni> rasmus 
12:43 < marklar|omni> :<
12:44 < Wombert> I dunno
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12:48 < MikeSeth> hahaha
12:48 < MikeSeth> i once yelled at Rasmus
12:48 < MikeSeth> he was saying something dumb
12:48 < MikeSeth> and people were all like shhhh do you know who that is
12:48 < MikeSeth> hehe
12:49 < MikeSeth> Wombert: so how do I invalidate caches inside an action/filter? call execution filter's clearCache()?
12:49 < MikeSeth> s/filter/model/
12:49 < Wombert> yes
12:50 < Wombert> that's quite ugly, I know
12:50 < Wombert> :/
12:50 < MikeSeth> i always said caching has to be factored out of the execution filter :P
12:52 < MikeSeth> zomg Angelspit <3 <3 <3 
12:52 < MikeSeth> music that makes you hard
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12:55 < rick111> rasmus eh
13:00 < MikeSeth> mmmm kraftwerk
13:02 < E_mE> great band Kraftwerk :D
13:02 < E_mE> MikeSeth: you ever checked out Orginsation? which was the band before kraftwerk>??
13:02 < impl> MikeSeth: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Feature/Caching !
13:03 < impl> implement nao kthx
13:04 < MikeSeth> 10:00 Changeset [2606] by david TEH NEWLINE KEKEKE
13:04 < MikeSeth> oh l'd
13:04 < rick111> is kek the new lol
13:04 < rick111> ?
13:05 < impl> MikeSeth: Yeah, I missed it :((
13:07 < Wombert> oh and
13:07 < Wombert> you can't factor caching out of the execution filter
13:07 < Wombert> only the stuff related to reading and writing
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13:16 < liutis> _cheerios, :) i found my problem, cache not generated becouse i am using output_type xhtml, but in Index.xml i defined html
13:16 < liutis> thats why! :)
13:18 < MikeSeth> rick111: technically it's the korean lol
13:19 < Wombert> liutis: throw the xhtml out
13:19 < Wombert> its a stupid example
13:19 < Wombert> not useful in the real world
13:19 < Wombert> don't do it
13:19 < liutis> ah
13:19 < liutis> k
13:19 < rick111> ahhhhhh
13:19 < Wombert> I guess we should fix that for 1.0
13:19 < Wombert> it's misleading
13:19 < rick111> interesting
13:19 < _cheerios> the sample app is like worst practices(tm)
13:19 < _cheerios> dunno why
13:19 < liutis> i thought xhtml rools :)
13:20 < MikeSeth> rick111: "kekekeke zerg rush"
13:20 < rick111> which means...
13:20 < Wombert> liutis: but its only used for different content type headers
13:20 < Wombert> it has nothing to do with the content
13:20 < Wombert> and yes, use XHTML for your output :p
13:21 < liutis> :) koma :)
13:21 < MikeSeth> rick111: which means koreans love starcraft
13:22 < Wombert> (in korean)
13:22 < Wombert> xDD
13:22 < rick111> absolute insanity
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13:22 < impl> fuck you!
13:22 < Wombert> who has seen Top Gear the other day
13:22 < Wombert> and why is Macen so gay
13:22 < rick111> HAHA, i just saw that message
13:22 < impl> ^__^_^_^^___^__^___^_^^_^______^_^^^^____^
13:22 < impl> Look, I speak fluent Japanese.
13:23 < marklar|omni> pfft
13:23 < MikeSeth> ANIMU DURGS & DONGS
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13:50 < CIA-5> david * r2629 /branches/0.11/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Dumped "xhtml" output type from sample app and introduced a replacement, closes #802
13:56 < _cheerios> http://github.com/moriyoshi/boost.php/wikis
13:58 < Whisller> http://celobox.googlepages.com/god.html
13:59 < MikeSeth> Whisller: http://www.400monkeys.com/God/
14:00 < _cheerios> takes too long Whissler.
14:01 < Whisller> But it isn't a another article about "Why god love you and why you should love him"
14:01 < Whisller> _cheerios: yes it is long
14:01 < Whisller> And isn't that funny ;p
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14:04 < Whisller> Guys, if you have a time. Will be nice to test this filter http://svn.projectbin.org/adt/trunk/ any suggestions are welcome :) It is still in early development stage.
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14:31 < MikeSeth> zomg I managed to crash PHP
14:35 < MikeSeth> no wai
14:35 < MikeSeth> PHP 5.2.0 + Agavi + caching = crashes :<
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14:55 < rick111> anyone got a motorbike license here?
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15:00 < kaos|work_> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fet0SCt7uGg
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15:03 < _cheerios> havent watched it crowd for a while
15:04 < E_mE> C-x k's _cheerios ;)
15:08 < _cheerios> "im good with IT.. i know... email, sending email, receiving email, clicking, double clicking..."
15:09 < E_mE> the IT Crowd is a rubbish comedy
15:10 < rick111> it is rubbish like
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15:12 < impl> oh god you're using ERC? :>
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15:13 < E_mE> damn got disconnected
15:15 < _cheerios> if IT crowd is not your cake, you might want to look into http://www.wikihow.com/Know-if-You-Are-Gay
15:23 < E_mE> impl: i was indeed :)
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15:27 < rick111> i can not possibly be a homo
15:27 < rick111> i am looking at taking my bike license, which makes me hard
15:42 < marklar|omni> tl;dr
15:43 < E_mE> rick111: so does that mean you get hard from bikes??
15:49 < rick111> i don't think it does
15:49 < rick111> but then again, I can't ride one, so I'm not sure
15:50 < rick111> http://www.nouptime.com/
15:50 < rick111>  "Exceptional service for an exceptional price. My only complaint is that technical support told me to fuck off when I called them, but everything else has been great."
15:50 < marklar|omni> haha
15:55 < MikeSeth> mmmm
15:55 < MikeSeth> remote PXE boot for ubuntu install
15:55 < MikeSeth> is nice
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15:56 < MikeSeth> i can swap out all windows boxen w/lunix overnight, make the wm look like windows and no one will notice
15:56 < MikeSeth> kekeke
15:56 < rick111> kek sucks
16:02 < CIA-5> impl * r2630 /trunk/bin/ (agavi-dist agavi.bat-dist): trunk: set the memory limit for the build system to 2^32-1 bytes instead of 2^32 bytes so that PHP will actually start up
16:06 < marklar|omni> KEKEKE
16:08 < impl> KEKEKKEKE
16:09 < MikeSeth> EKEKEKEKEK
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16:15 < rick111> ;`(
16:16 < E_mE> MikeSeth: do you just need to do M-x erc for it to work with your emacs?
16:16 < E_mE> ive got it on my server and attempted to run it, and it keeps saying there is more then just "erc-..."
16:17 < MikeSeth> E_mE: if you configure the default server & nick, M-x erc
16:17 < MikeSeth> otherwise idk
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16:18 < mst`> you see what I did there?
16:18 < impl> E_mE: it's M-x erc-connect
16:18  * impl stabs himself for knowing that
16:21 < impl> er
16:21 < impl> erc-select rather
16:21 < impl> haha
16:21 < E_mE> thanks :D
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16:22 < Emacs_mE> ah hhhhaaa
16:22 < MikeSeth> is nice?
16:22 < MikeSeth> C-c C-b = switch IRC buffers
16:22 < E_mE> is there no user list with it?
16:22 < mst`> yarly
16:22 < mst`> there is
16:22 < mst`> / /n
16:22 < mst`> er
16:22 < mst`>  /n
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16:27 < E_mE> ah, im doing C-c C-b and typing in #agavi and its not swapping buffers :(
16:27 < MikeSeth> you're doing it wrong
16:27 < MikeSeth> ;>
16:28 < Emacs_mE> there we go
16:28 < Emacs_mE> done C-x C-b and selected it instead
16:29 < Emacs_mE> i cant seem to perform C-x left on the terminal version?
16:30 < impl> Emacs_mE: http://pastebin.com/d1adb6a2e
16:30 < impl> then, f1 = next buffer, shift+f1 = previous buffer
16:30 < impl> actually MikeSeth will probably raep me for writing shitty lisp
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16:31 < Emacs_mE> does that code you gave me give me a users list?
16:32 < impl> No
16:32 < impl> It switches buffers forwards and backwards
16:32 < Emacs_mE> :D thank you mr :D
16:33 < Emacs_mE> i got to restart emacs now
16:33 < Emacs_mE> brb
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16:34 < marklar|omni> hoem
16:34 < marklar|omni> bai
16:34  * marklar|omni &
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16:38 < MikeSeth> yeah ~
16:38 < MikeSeth> &
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16:42 < E_mE> impl: your script doesnt work in erc :(
16:45 < impl> E_mE: if the buffer has *blah* around it, then it skips over it
16:45 < impl> :x
16:45 < impl> if you don't want that behavior, just comment out the lines
16:46 < impl>     (while (string-match
16:46 < impl>             "^\\s-*\\*.+\\*$"
16:46 < impl>             (buffer-name (car (reverse new-list))))
16:47 < E_mE> oh i see
16:47 < E_mE> so normally it wont go to the erc buffer
16:48 < E_mE> only if you select it from the buffer list?
16:58 < impl> E_mE: It will only visit buffers that aren't wrapped in *'s, which is usually reserved for messages and the minibuffer and crap like that
16:58 < impl> e.g. your real work :P
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18:05 < _cheerios> Ahh! Xycling, like having a shower. With your clothes on.
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18:07 < kaos|work_> oh impl
18:07 < MrJeep> hi
18:07 < kaos|work_> this boost.php is pure beauty
18:08 < impl> yeah?
18:08 < kaos|work_> yeah
18:08 < kaos|work_> you define 
18:08 < kaos|work_> int add(int a, int b) {
18:08 < kaos|work_>             return a + b;
18:08 < kaos|work_>         }
18:08 < kaos|work_> and it will call that method correctly
18:08 < kaos|work_> w/o you having to define the arguments to it
18:09 < impl> cool
18:09 < impl> does it support overloading too?
18:09 < kaos|work_> so no more 5 lines boilerplate code just for parameter parsing etc
18:09 < kaos|work_> i don't think so, since php doesnt
18:09 < kaos|work_> and c++ sometimes really is just scary
18:10 < kaos|work_> when you look at the code which does that mapping
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18:11 < impl> I will refrain for now
18:11 < impl> :x
18:11 < kaos|work_> heh
18:11 < kaos|work_> well, can you find out the parameter types to functions in c ... at compile time ? :P
18:12 < impl> okay, I'll look
18:12 < impl> :<
18:12 < kaos|work_> i doubt you can
18:12 < kaos|work_> and i think only like 20 ppl on earth know how to do it in c++ xD
18:12 < kaos|work_> (when not using boost.mpl ^^)
18:13 < impl> oh, oh
18:13 < impl> in C
18:13 < impl> at compile time, no, I don't think so
18:13 < impl> That's why templates exist isn't it?
18:13 < kaos|work_> yeah
18:13 < kaos|work_> but you can't find out at runtime as well
18:13 < kaos|work_> (which you can't in c++ as well i think)
18:13 < impl> yeah, templates are resolved at compile time in C++
18:14 < impl> so I don't think so either :>
18:14 < kaos|work_> the thing is, you really just pass a function name and a function pointer
18:15 < kaos|work_> which is sooooo cool
18:15 < impl> yeah..
18:15 < kaos|work_> even creating classes is now just a few lines
18:15 < kaos|work_>  php::klass<MyFirstClass>& c = php::def_class<MyFirstClass>("myfirstclass" TSRMLS_CC);
18:15 < kaos|work_>             c.defun("accumulate", &MyFirstClass::accumulate);
18:15 < kaos|work_>             c.defun("getResult", &MyFirstClass::getResult);
18:15 < kaos|work_>             c.fixup();
18:15 < impl> this boost mpl stuff is freaking me out man
18:15 < impl> SO WEIRD
18:15 < kaos|work_> heh, i mostly don't even understand their manual
18:15 < kaos|work_> "manual"
18:15 < kaos|work_> heh
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18:16 < kaos|work_> rather that 3 pages of examples which they dubbed manual xD
18:16 < impl> lawl
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18:16 < impl> they have a reference manual ;p
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18:16 < kaos|work_> which lists functions ...
18:17 < kaos|work_> and you just know how to use em
18:17 < kaos|work_> because you have ze force
18:17 < impl> lawl
18:19 < marklar|omni> kek
18:19 < marklar|omni> hai niglets
18:23 < _cheerios> i wish i had ze force with python. code up something in php in a moment, then, okay how to do this in py *mind gives blank*
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18:26 < marklar|omni> heh
18:26 < marklar|omni> _cheerios: you can ask me
18:29 < _cheerios> YOU!?
18:30 < marklar|omni> um yea
18:30 < marklar|omni> I code in pretty much every language
18:30 < marklar|omni> :|
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18:32 < kaos|work_> oh man ... i will port agavi to c++
18:32 < kaos|work_> this is so coool
18:32 < kaos|work_> i can't repeat it often enough ... 
18:33 < _cheerios> yeah, was pretty cool skimming that page earlier today after fetching it off php devlist
18:33 < marklar|omni> heh
18:34 < _cheerios> marklar|omni: you have good memory to have the standard libs in mind for so many languages
18:34 < marklar|omni> I guess
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18:35 < marklar|omni> after you spend some time working on a multi-platform project, it sorta becomes second natura
18:35 < marklar|omni> nature, even
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18:39 < _cheerios> btw. marklar|omni, you checked out generation kill ? might get a kick out of it.
18:39 < marklar|omni> linkplz
18:39 < _cheerios> http://www.hbo.com/generationkill/
18:40 < marklar|omni> interesting
18:40 < marklar|omni> probably full of stupid bloopers though
18:47 < marklar|omni> kek
18:47 < marklar|omni> _cheerios: so, anyway, you can poek me for teh snakelang
18:47 < _cheerios> right-o, during working hours then.
18:47 < marklar|omni> k
18:48 < impl> kaos|work_: you weren't kidding, this is fucking impossible to understand
18:48 < impl> :>>
18:49 < kaos|work_> i c++ compiler writer is a really poor guy *g*
18:49 < marklar|omni> heh
18:50 < impl> hah :>
18:50 < _cheerios> that bad huh :)
18:52 < impl> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_35_0/libs/mpl/doc/tutorial/tutorial-metafunctions.html
18:52 < impl> go ahead and try to understand it :D
18:56 < _cheerios> i'll pass this time :) marioIn20Lines caught my eye already
18:56 < kaos|work_> been there, done that
18:57 < kaos|work_> failed.
18:57 < _cheerios> http://www.nihilogic.dk/labs/20_lines_javascript/july08_super_mario/20linesofmario.js
19:02 < _cheerios> btw. does programming make sex less appealing?
19:03 < impl> No
19:03 < impl> What kind of retarded question is that
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19:08 < _cheerios> just wondering if it's the computer life. a girl that was over yesterday got mad at me that i didn't feel like having sex with her.
19:08 < marklar|omni> heh
19:08 < marklar|omni> heh
19:08 < marklar|omni> HEH
19:08 < marklar|omni> I know how you feel.
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19:39 < _cheerios> you're gay too?
19:41 < marklar|omni> not really
19:43  * _cheerios hugs marklar|omni
19:43 < marklar|omni> :|
19:43 < marklar|omni> tits || gtfo
19:43 < _cheerios> heh
19:46 < marklar|omni> yay
19:46 < marklar|omni> 4chan si baek
19:47 < marklar|omni> http://img.4chan.org/b/thumb/1217349853938s.jpg
19:48 < _cheerios> i could use a real life copy to stick somewhere in the office
19:48 < _cheerios> we use postits for everything there
19:49 < marklar|omni> haha
19:49 < marklar|omni> we have a wiki :<
19:49 < _cheerios> we have one too
19:49 < marklar|omni> so use that
19:49 < _cheerios> usually it's useful like
19:49 < marklar|omni> postits are eh
19:49 < marklar|omni> hardware
19:49 < _cheerios> "so, you edited server confs directly?"
19:49 < _cheerios> "nice. but next time, use the wiki"
19:50 < _cheerios> "that's a nice suggestion. now, learn english."
19:50 < marklar|omni> heh
19:50 < marklar|omni> if anyone touches my server confs
19:50 < marklar|omni> the last thing they'll see is a sharp knife
19:50 < marklar|omni> glistening ever so gently in the parking lot lights
19:50 < marklar|omni> :D
19:51 < _cheerios> we're all about supa sticky! http://www.officebuy.co.nz/data/Images/Items/15/1501%203M%20Range/Post%20it%20Super%20Sticky%206%20PAck.jpg
19:51 < marklar|omni> fale
19:52 < ttj> Ale.
19:52 < ttj> And whores.
19:52 < marklar|omni> heh
19:52 < _cheerios> the postits are cuz we're AGILE and are into SCRUM and other stuff that consultants can milk us off, while making us feel good that we're COOL!
19:53 < marklar|omni> DIE
19:53 < marklar|omni> before I synergize your enterprise 
19:53 < _cheerios> lol
19:53 < marklar|omni> I always forget to print out the bullshit bingo cards before meetings
19:54 < ttj> Well, I've spent 45 minutes in a meeting discussing pre- and post-Napoleonic warfare and the disruptions that occured then.
19:55 < marklar|omni> that won't fly here, they're all french
19:55 < marklar|omni> heh
19:55 < marklar|omni> they scheduled a meetings entitled "Learning from Mistakes"
19:55 < marklar|omni> so I hit reply to all
19:55 < marklar|omni> "er, waterloo?"
19:55 < marklar|omni> :(
19:56 < marklar|omni> brb
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19:57 < marklar|omni> bork dns fixed, yay
20:01 < Strzalek> some doctrine users here?
20:05 < _cheerios> some
20:06 < marklar|omni> half.
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21:09 < _cheerios> put your cock against the ground while that tank goes by. feels fucking great.
21:09 < _cheerios> no tanks in our training, missing out :/
21:12 < ttj> Ugh. Need to head to the bar.
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00:38 < MugeSo> huomenta
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04:43 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:10 < Whisller> huomenta
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06:29 < marklar|omni> ohai
06:30 < _cheerios> huomenta!
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06:52 < marklar|omni> kek
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07:09 < E_mE> huomenta
07:32 < marklar|omni> sup
07:39 < MikeSeth> ohai
07:41 < marklar|omni> ohai
07:44 < MikeSeth> jedi911
07:44 < MikeSeth> i mean
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07:57 < E_mE> emacs ahoy!
07:57 < MikeSeth> mehehehehe
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08:07 < rick111> OMG
08:07 < rick111> DO YOU PEOPLE SLEEP?
08:07 < rick111> sry about that
08:08 < MikeSeth> no
08:08 < MikeSeth> sleep is for 
08:08 < MikeSeth> um
08:08 < MikeSeth> nvm
08:13 < rick111> ... others have been known to require 8 to 10 hours (such as Albert Einstein). ...
08:16 < _cheerios> i've slept only 7hrs nightly past two days. felt so sleepy in the mornings :|
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08:24 < E_mE> _cheerios: pah! 7 hrs, i only had 5 last night.. ::im hard core:: =P
08:26 < _cheerios> mmm, i prefer not to sleep at work
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09:28 < marklar|omni> ohaiz
09:36 < E_mE> hi marklar
09:39 < marklar|omni> sup
09:42 < MikeSeth> mmmm new ubuntu box for development
09:42 < MikeSeth> everything on it is so sweet and smooth
09:42 < E_mE> you like ubuntu then MikeSeth ?
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09:43 < marklar|omni> kek
09:43 < MikeSeth> E_mE: it's debian + polish
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09:43 < E_mE> Gary McKinnon is being extradicted to the USA and proberbly beaten into a terrorist surrender
09:43 < MikeSeth> is nice :>
09:43 < E_mE> polish??
09:44 < MikeSeth> E_mE: yeah, configuration stuff, hardware autodetection, UI translations etc
09:44 < E_mE> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7532713.stm
09:46 < E_mE> oh polish, hehe i misunderstood it as polish the nation =P
09:49 < MikeSeth> oh
09:49 < MikeSeth> i wonder how are the polish guys with whom we drank in london doing
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09:58 < E_mE> oh the rather large chap?
09:58 < Wombert> you mean the jew that turned out to be a catholic
09:58 < E_mE> hahahah i didnt know that
09:58 < Wombert> which whom you were standing on that road for an hour nonstop, not moving, in the pouring rain
09:58 < Wombert> just staring at each other?
09:58 < Wombert> :p
09:59 < E_mE> they where having cybersex with there eyes
09:59 < E_mE> hoho
10:00 < E_mE> Wombert: you looking forward to talk next week?
10:02 < Wombert> sure
10:04 < E_mE> should be good :D i look forward to what your going to cover in the talk :)
10:05 < E_mE> MikeSeth: if you are using ubuntu, dont use KDESVN... its shit! ;)
10:05 < MikeSeth> Wombert: we were 1) drunk 2) talking
10:05 < MikeSeth> E_mE: lol 
10:05 < MikeSeth> E_mE: that's a server
10:05 < E_mE> ah seen
10:06 < Wombert> drunkjews are lol :>
10:06 < E_mE> he wanted my email address
10:07 < E_mE> which i did give him, but it was on bit of paper, but he was prob far to drunk to remember where he put it hehe
10:07 < E_mE> Wombert: which other agavists are attending the talk do you know?
10:08 < E_mE> besides the chaps i know who are attending
10:10 < MikeSeth> Wombert: can we please forget this horrible incident ;>
10:16 < Wombert> I don't remember it as horrible
10:16 < Wombert> so
10:16 < Wombert> no :>
10:21 < MikeSeth> i swear i will never hang out with catholics again
10:21 < MikeSeth> lol
10:23 < MikeSeth> ok kunch
10:26 < Wombert> LOL
10:26 < Wombert> :>
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10:47 < E_mE> just ask next time how many children he has =P
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10:56 < nfq> Wombert: MikeSeth just catching up on the discussion above
11:00 < MikeSeth> lol wut
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11:03 < _cheerios> that's so sweet, in a very manly way
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12:07 < Strzalek> huomenta
12:07 < Strzalek> enybody here?
12:07 < Strzalek> have a big problem
12:07 < Strzalek> very strange
12:07 < Strzalek> my app don't match any route :|
12:07 < Strzalek> ANY
12:09 < Wombert> some explanations would be helpful
12:10 < Strzalek> hmm, wait maybe i found why
12:17 < liutis> can some action Read method be cached only if route dont have '?some_item=123' if some_item is not set when action is caching ?
12:18 < liutis> i want this becouse in a page i have paginator, and all search parameters are set in uz->atributes
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12:19 < Strzalek> huh strage
12:19 < Strzalek> there was some problem with my routes
12:19 < Strzalek> I rewrite them and now is ok
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12:24 < liutis> so action in read method can be cached only if some parameter in URL exists?
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12:39 < MikeSeth> hello
12:39 < MikeSeth> liutis: no
12:40 < MikeSeth> liutis: rather, not necessarily
12:40 < MikeSeth> liutis: also, you can have default parameter values in routing
12:40 < MikeSeth> liutis: oh I am answering a wrong question nvm
12:40 < liutis> but it is possible?
12:40 < liutis> a
12:40 < liutis> :)
12:40 < MikeSeth> I honestly dont know I just started using caching two days ago :)
12:41 < liutis> ;)
12:41 < liutis> me too
12:42 < MikeSeth> so you want to disable caching for action read when the parameter is missing?
12:42 < Strzalek> Hmm, i have output_type json with text/javascript; charset=UTF-8 header and why I'm getting resposne with html? http://pastie.org/244007
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12:43 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: if I'm guessing correctly, because your json output type uses the layouts for HTML
12:43 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: are you calling setupHTML() in your executeXml()?
12:43 < Strzalek> executeJson
12:43 < MikeSeth> er, json
12:43 < MikeSeth> are you?
12:43 < Strzalek> yes ofcoure
12:43 < MikeSeth> but you shouldn't
12:43 < Strzalek> hm?
12:44 < Strzalek> otherwise agavi throws error
12:44 < MikeSeth> do this
12:44 < MikeSeth> function executeJson(...)
12:44 < MikeSeth> {
12:44 < Strzalek> in routing i have output_type="json"
12:44 < MikeSeth>    ....
12:44 < MikeSeth>     return json_encode($vars);
12:44 < MikeSeth> }
12:44 < MikeSeth> without setupHtml()
12:44 < MikeSeth> setupHtml loads layers for HTML output, and they're not needed 
12:45 < MikeSeth> also, when you return stuff from the view, you don't need to use templates
12:45 < Strzalek> yes
12:45 < Strzalek> yes
12:45 < Strzalek> it is without
12:45 < Strzalek> :)
12:45 < Strzalek> 	public function executeJson(AgaviRequestDataHolder $rd)
12:45 < Strzalek> 	{
12:45 < Strzalek> 		return json_encode(array("test" => 123));
12:45 < Strzalek> 	}
12:45 < Strzalek> ups
12:45 < Strzalek> sorry
12:45 < MikeSeth> output_types.xml => pastebin
12:45 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: http://pastie.org/244011
12:46 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: that should work
12:46 < Strzalek> I know :D But it don't
12:46 < MikeSeth> it generates default HTML instead?
12:46 < MikeSeth> plz paste whole output_types.xml
12:47 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: http://pastie.org/244012
12:48 < MikeSeth> oh umm
12:48 < MikeSeth> why do you have <sandbox>
12:48 < MikeSeth> it's deprecated
12:48 < Strzalek> why it's deprected?
12:48 < Strzalek> I used to use sandbox
12:48 < Strzalek> http://mt13.quickshareit.com/share/obrazek39814a.png
12:49 < Strzalek> ok, nvm - this isn't a reason of the problem
12:49 < Strzalek> this is firegub console
12:49 < MikeSeth> lemme look it up
12:49 < Strzalek> Odpowiedź == response
12:49 < MikeSeth> i remember wombert saying it's deprecated
12:50 < Strzalek> Ok, maybe. But this isn't the problem :)
12:50 < MikeSeth> so you aren't calling setupHtml()/loadLayout() anywhere? maybe in the base view/constructor?
12:50 < Strzalek> Hmm, right
12:50 < Strzalek> base
12:50 < Strzalek> sec
12:51 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: http://pastie.org/244013
12:51 < Strzalek> this is my base
12:51 < Strzalek> it's ok
12:51 < Wombert> it isn't
12:52 < Strzalek> why?
12:52 < Wombert> it isn't deprecated
12:52 < Wombert> the sandbox
12:53 < Wombert> Strzalek: that could be FPF?
12:53 < Wombert> tell it to only run for html output types
12:53 < Strzalek> Ahhh, right!
12:53 < Wombert> sample app global_filters.xml knows how
12:54 < Strzalek> yes, yes
12:54 < Strzalek> it works now ;)
12:54 < Strzalek> thanks.
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13:01 < Whisller> http://lisaelama.com/wp-content/28820.jpg
13:03 < CIA-5> impl * r2631 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/config/ (9 files in 6 dirs): branches/david-xml_only_config_system (refs #519): Refactor libxml error reporting to throw DOMExceptions in the XML config; add AgaviXmlConfigXsltProcessor
13:04 < MikeSeth> Wombert: why don't you have a hot sister
13:04 < Wombert> MikeSeth: MAYBE I DO :>>>>
13:04 < Wombert> why are you asking tho xD
13:04 < Wombert> heh
13:10 < rick111> MikeSeth my mate can't come down to skegness friday until sunday to see a couple of birds
13:11 < rick111> now I'm already banging one, but the other sister is now available and hot
13:11 < rick111> she's 19 though, is that too young?
13:12 < rick111> (to be honest, id rather be with the 19 year old, not because of her age, but their's something about her)
13:12 < rick111> but i've already commited to the 21 year old, so im otu the game
13:15 < rick111> erm, why is this channel and everything I type then passed onto google for indexing?
13:15 < rick111> that sucks, big time
13:15 < rick111> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=rick111+skegness&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a 
13:15 < E_mE> because its ment to be a channel about Agavi, not your banging ways ;)
13:16 < rick111> hummmmm
13:23 < MikeSeth> Wombert: because you are win and if you were a chick i'd be so over you
13:29 < Wombert> what did I do now :p
13:31 < rick111> is it easy to remove bits from the log? say, 14:00 to 14:10 ?
13:31 < rick111> and ill be on my best behaviour?
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13:33 < impl> THERE'S
13:33 < impl> T-H-E-R-E APOSTROPHE S
13:35 < rick111> THANK YOU FRIEND
13:35 < rick111> i was thinking about then when I typed it, I must admit
13:36 < marklar|omni> heh
13:37 < marklar|omni> kek
13:37 < marklar|omni> jej
13:37 < marklar|omni> :(
13:37 < MikeSeth> also
13:38 < MikeSeth> what's with the "birds" slang
13:38 < MikeSeth> that's so fucking sixties
13:38 < MikeSeth> good thing you don't call them "broads"
13:39 < rick111> it may be so fucking sixties where you are, but I use it, and I undoubtly get laid more than you
13:39 < rick111> me ftw
13:40 < MikeSeth> you still sound like you were born during slavery times
13:40 < MikeSeth> mmm slavery
13:40 < impl> Get shit done!
13:42 < marklar|omni> impl's rite
13:43 < marklar|omni> http://www.dreamstime.com/hibiscus-flower-frame-with-girl-leaning-on-top-image5859660
13:44 < MikeSeth> views: 1
13:44 < MikeSeth> :<
13:44 < marklar|omni> brand new
13:44 < marklar|omni> just approved
13:44 < marklar|omni> http://www.dreamstime.com/blue-hibiscus-flower-frame-vector-illustration-image5104199
13:44 < marklar|omni> over 300views
13:45 < MikeSeth> sales?
13:45 < marklar|omni> today?
13:45 < marklar|omni> be more specific plz.
13:46 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: is nice btw
13:46 < MikeSeth> mark is peddling CP
13:46 < MikeSeth> cute pictures
13:46 < MikeSeth> lol
13:46 < marklar|omni> keke
13:46 < marklar|omni> buy some, niggers
13:46 < marklar|omni> ONLY A DOLLAH
13:46 < rick111> i am from liverpool
13:46 < marklar|omni> that's your problem, sorry
13:46 < rick111> we have a big slave history, only we owned them
13:48 < impl> We do too
13:48 < impl> ours were black
13:51 < rick111> ditto
13:51 < MikeSeth> meh
13:51 < MikeSeth> damn europeans
13:52 < rick111> once you've had black, you'll never go back
13:52 < marklar|omni> not true for coffee
13:53 < rick111> yeah, i agree there
13:53 < rick111> I did ask my mate to get me a black coffee on sunday, but when he returned and it wasn't full to the top, i decided to add milk
13:53 < rick111> like a mad man
13:54 < impl> I only drink coffee black usually
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13:55 < MikeSeth> black coffee with milk?!
13:55 < MikeSeth> KILL IT WITH FIER
13:55 < rick111> lol
13:56 < marklar|omni> heh
13:56 < marklar|omni> our finances guy drinks it that way
13:56 < marklar|omni> he's a crazed frenchman though
13:56 < MikeSeth> 13:50 <SettlerX> but doesn't date() or strftime consider timezone automatically?
13:57 < marklar|omni> HAH
13:57 < marklar|omni> <SettlerX> disregard that, I suck cocks
13:57 < rick111> lol, is that fake?
13:57 < marklar|omni> no
13:57 < rick111> the cocks bit?
13:57 < rick111> haahhahah
13:57 < marklar|omni> ;>
14:01 < MikeSeth> 13:59 <cheebhodh> btw there md5_decrypt in PHP???
14:01 < MikeSeth> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa
14:02 < impl> MikeSeth: Is this from ##php?
14:02 < MikeSeth> impl: aha
14:02 < impl> :((
14:02 < impl> EFnet is better!
14:03 < rick111> lets all look at the money i've lost recently http://ryanpartington.com/fish/article/stock_market_continues_to_fall.html
14:04 < marklar|omni> A PHP Error was encountered
14:04 < marklar|omni> Severity: Notice
14:04 < marklar|omni> haha
14:04 < MikeSeth> rick111: PLAYING BULL GAMES IN BEAR MARKETS != GOOD IDEA
14:04 < MikeSeth> also
14:05 < MikeSeth> if you dont mind me asking
14:05 < MikeSeth> why do you put stock market articles under /fish/?
14:06 < rick111> fish is my controller
14:06 < rick111> fish runs the place
14:06 < MikeSeth> uhm
14:06 < MikeSeth> i really donno how to argue against that..
14:06 < marklar|omni> haha
14:06 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: he reminds me of shai
14:07 < MikeSeth> nah there's one and only shai
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14:08 < marklar|omni> thank dog for that
14:08 < malax> Huomenta-ish greetings :)
14:17 < Wombert> ohai malax
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14:56 < MikeSeth> Wombert: what's the correct way to have a cache group per user identity/session ID?
14:57 < Wombert> user attribute "id" or something
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15:00 < MikeSeth> Wombert: no native way to group by internal session ID?
15:01 < Wombert> no
15:01 < Wombert> you don't want to anyway
15:01 < Wombert> group by user id
15:01 < Wombert> ah you tracking stuff per logged in user?
15:01 < Wombert> interesting
15:01 < Wombert> :>
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15:02 < Greg_> hey all
15:03 < MikeSeth> Wombert: rather, there's a filter that loads the game state into the action's container so its available to all actions implicitly
15:03 < malax> What was the actual quote from the channel's topic?  "<shrink0r> fuck me, agavi's grea"
15:03 < MikeSeth> malax: praise?
15:04 < malax> MikeSeth, i could imagine that the quote was not offending to agavi... but.... it seems something is missing.
15:04 < Wombert> malax: xchat
15:04 < Wombert> is fale
15:04 < Wombert> so you don't see the entire message
15:04 < Wombert> :>>
15:04 < Wombert> "t" is missing
15:04 < MikeSeth> olol]
15:04 < Wombert> apparently
15:04 < malax> lol :)
15:05 < Wombert> 443 character limit in xchat? :p
15:05  * malax 's switching to irssi... brb
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15:05 < malax_> zomg... you're right.
15:05 < E_mE> malax_: erc > xchat ;)
15:06 < Wombert> "when working with linux, I always have a backup alternative for any app sitting around in case it does the usual linux stuff and stops working" :>
15:06 < Wombert> SO TYPICAL
15:06 < Wombert> IT JUST WORKS ON A MAC
15:06 < Wombert> OKAY?
15:06 < Wombert> :>
15:06 < impl> I never do that
15:06 < impl> maybe it's because I know HOW TO USE A BLOODY COMPUTER
15:06 < malax_> Wombert: SO TYPICAL :P
15:06 < Wombert> you have konqueror which doesn't run javascript
15:06 < impl> it does too run Javascript
15:06 < Wombert> and firefox in case you need to view a website that's not written by richard stallman
15:06 < impl> it just runs Javascript to the specification
15:07 < impl> unlike every other browser
15:07 < Wombert> it doesn't, you showed me
15:07 < impl> no it didn't run /that/ javascript
15:07 < impl> because it was wrong.
15:07 < Wombert> you even said "oh konqueror doesn't run javascript"
15:07 < Wombert> no it wasn't. it runs fine in internet explorer, therefor, it must be correct
15:07 < Wombert> :>
15:07  * Wombert chuckles
15:07 < malax_> Wombert: lol
15:07 < Wombert> does this freak you out? <:
15:07 < impl> did you test it on IE5/Mac?
15:07 < impl> :D
15:07 < E_mE> the EMCA standard is somewhat flaky though
15:07 < Wombert> bill gates said I shouldn't use that
15:07 < impl> PSH
15:07 < malax_> E_mE: are you crazy? erc runs on emacs... *sigh*
15:08 < impl> he doesn't have a sweet-ass beard though
15:08 < E_mE> and your point is malax_ ??
15:08 < Wombert> he despises of emacs cause stallman invented it
15:08 < Wombert> and he's right
15:08 < malax_> E_mE: i dont want emacs. ;-)
15:08  * Wombert pets malax_ 
15:08 < Wombert> see
15:08 < Wombert> EMACS
15:08 < Wombert> DO NOT WANT
15:08 < Wombert> :>
15:08 < impl> rawr
15:08 < Wombert> anyways
15:08 < Wombert> work ->
15:09 < malax_> oh... working. Almost forgot about that. 
15:09 < Wombert> heh
15:11 < MikeSeth> I decided
15:11 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: you shall be consumed next by the church of emacs
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15:15 < marklar|omni> dnw ;>
15:15 < marklar|omni> i haz eclipses
15:18 < MikeSeth> inferior school of thought unfit for a *nix nerd like you
15:18 < MikeSeth> well
15:18 < MikeSeth> s/thought/clicking/
15:18 < impl> I launched 2000 instances of emacs just now
15:18 < impl> it was working well until X told me I couldn't have any more clients
15:18 < impl> then everything died :(
15:23  * MikeSeth has a new favourite band - I:Scintilla
15:24 < impl> What genre is it?
15:24 < MikeSeth> electronic/industrial/gothic
15:24 < MikeSeth> think KMFDM etc
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15:26 < marklar|omni> heh
15:26 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: I never click in eclipse
15:26 < MikeSeth> then you're wasting your time with the bloat
15:26 < marklar|omni> eh
15:26 < marklar|omni> it's mandated here
15:27 < Strzalek> Hmm I want to do action which will be executed by ajax request. But want to pass html this action
15:27 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: so?
15:28 < Strzalek> The problem is when I'm passin it i get a resposne with doctype and <html><body>
15:28 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: don't call setupHtml(), and create a single layer 
15:29 < MikeSeth> I usually have <layout name="blank"> for this kind of stuff
15:29 < Strzalek> yes, i tried sth like this
15:29 < Strzalek> sec
15:30 < marklar|omni> urgh
15:30 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: and this layout had layer content?
15:30 < Strzalek> the same like slot?
15:30 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: pretty much
15:31 < Strzalek> Ok, but when executing with setupHtml($rd, "slot")
15:32 < Strzalek> it has <html><body> etc.
15:32 < kaos|work_> MikeSeth: this music is nice ... but too soft ... 
15:32 < MikeSeth> kaos|work_: which music? 
15:32 < kaos|work_> that band
15:32 < MikeSeth> kaos|work_: ah
15:32 < kaos|work_> you mentioned
15:32 < MikeSeth> kaos|work_: try Angelspit then
15:33 < MikeSeth> kaos|work_: btw where did you get copies :D
15:33 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: how you do that you don't have doctype, xml prolog and <html>... ?
15:33 < kaos|work_> MikeSeth: myspace :P
15:34 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: where do doctype/prolog/etc come from?
15:34 < MikeSeth> kaos|work_: DURRRR
15:34 < MikeSeth> kaos|work_: i won't be lured
15:34 < Strzalek> MikeSeth: dunno :D 
15:34 < kaos|work_> ;p
15:34 < MikeSeth> Strzalek: FPF again?
15:34 < Strzalek> maybe
15:35 < Strzalek> hmm
15:35 < Strzalek> got ide
15:35 < Strzalek> idea
15:35 < MikeSeth> kaos|work_: "Get Even" by Angelspit - running on lastfm nao - winnor
15:35 < Wombert> eh that was two hours ago!?
15:35 < Wombert> and it was FPF!?
15:35 < MikeSeth> WITH THESE MILKY LIPS
15:35 < MikeSeth> WE'RE KISSING VIOLENCE
15:35 < Wombert> Strzalek: what are you doing
15:36 < Strzalek> ha!
15:36 < Strzalek> I've created htmlAjax
15:36 < Strzalek> copied html output_type
15:36 < Strzalek> :)
15:37 < Strzalek> as FPF works only with html output_type no i don't have doctype :)
15:38  * MikeSeth fwaps Strzalek 
15:38 < kaos|work_> mikeseth: nice too ... but not my style ^^
15:38 < MikeSeth> kaos|work_: name a band
15:38 < Strzalek> fwaps?
15:41 < kaos|work_> oh, i'm much more into techno, but when industrial/ebm then more technoid stuff like nitzer ebb, front 242, kiew
15:43 < kaos|work_> or blutengel *gggg*
15:43 < Wombert> okay and now, Strzalek?
15:50 < kaos|work_> yay, my new keyboard arrived: http://www.evula.org/dragoon/pics/supercoder.jpg
15:50 < kaos|work_> :D
15:52 < Strzalek> Wombert: and now i don't have doctype etc. :)
15:52 < Wombert> eh
15:52 < Wombert> okay and
15:52 < Wombert> wat is your question
15:53 < Strzalek> I want to make ajax request to action which returns html
15:54 < Wombert> okay
15:54 < Strzalek> when using simply slot layout i add me a doctype, xml, and html, body
15:54 < Wombert> then you still have fpf misconfigured or so
15:54 < kaos|work_> MikeSeth: or stuff similar to http://www.lastfm.de/music/Decence/_/The+Storm?autostart
15:54 < Wombert> do you call setupHtml() ?
15:54 < Strzalek> now no
15:56 < Strzalek> jquery rox
15:56 < Strzalek> :>
16:00 < rick111> this one day I was walking down the shops
16:07 < rick111> and this man stops and asks me...
16:10 < rick111> "hey my name is fred"
16:12 < E_mE> moos at Strzalek 
16:12 < Strzalek> ??
16:12 < E_mE> mootools ;) hehe
16:13 < E_mE> sorry, was just little joke to my self :)
16:13 < Strzalek> mootools are also cool
16:16 < E_mE> JS in general is pretty cool i've found :)
16:19 < kaos|work_> script kiddies xD
16:20  * E_mE pokes kaos|work_ 
16:20 < kaos|work_> c++ ftw
16:20 < kaos|work_> :D
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16:26 < rick111> y'know what guys, i've enjoyed today
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17:45 < marklar|omni> hello niglets
17:45 < marklar|omni> jquery ftw
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17:54 < marklar|omni> OARRGHH
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18:58 < E_mE[Stilgar> anyone up for listening to a live Drum and Bass stream?
18:59 < E_mE[Stilgar> http://www.dnbnoize.com:8000/dnbnoize.m3u  <--- check it out :)
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19:55 < nfq> yo E_mE[Stilgar 
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20:03 < _cheerios> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/2470310/Sexual-harrassment-okay-as-it-ensures-humans-breed%2C-Russian-judge-rules.html
20:04 < ttj> Haha. :P
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20:12 < Whisller> re
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20:37 < marklar|omni> ohai
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20:44 < marklar|omni> ubuntu is full of fail
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20:46 < brasileiro__> o/
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21:06 < _cheerios> i just switched back to kde. for some reason gdm was failing me. probably my box being utterly shit.
21:07 < _cheerios> and i switched to gdm+ubuntu cuz kde failed me
21:07 < _cheerios> there is no hope
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21:51 < Wombert> bai
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00:42 < MugeSo> huomenta
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04:24 < Greg_> hey agavi ppl!
04:40 < marklar|omni> ohai
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06:04 < marklar|omni> ohai
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06:06 < Whisller> huomenta
06:08 < MerlinDMC> huomenta
06:24 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:44 < _cheerios> huomenta!!!!!!!!!!
07:07 < MikeSeth> huomenta
07:07 < MikeSeth> w00t contempt charges against Rove
07:16 < E_mE> Huomenta!
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08:00 < marklar|omni> heh
08:00 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth
08:00 < marklar|omni> I ended up installing plain debian
08:00 < MikeSeth> soup
08:00 < MikeSeth> lol grub
08:00 < marklar|omni> work inet is fast
08:00 < marklar|omni> ya
08:00 < marklar|omni> it's still like that
08:00 < marklar|omni> I boot to a grub shell
08:00 < marklar|omni> keke
08:01 < MikeSeth> fale & aidsu :<
08:03 < marklar|omni> nah tis ok
08:03 < marklar|omni> I hardly ever reboot the laptop
08:03 < marklar|omni> last cold boot, excluding today, was like 2months ago
08:05 < MikeSeth> is nice
08:05 < marklar|omni> work inet is fast
08:05 < marklar|omni> netinstall is 90% done
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08:17 < marklar|omni> ALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD
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08:25 < _cheerios> marklar|omni: what changes do re's need when moving from php to py?
08:26 < _cheerios> preg_match_all("/\<a(.*?)href=('|\")(.*?)('|\")/si",$str,$matches);
08:26 < _cheerios> it runs fine, but just doesnt work the same :)
08:42 < _cheerios> ah, the / ... / stuff is unneeded
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08:43 < MikeSeth> caching groups map strictly 1:1 to cache folders amirite?
08:43 < MikeSeth> mmm
08:45 < MikeSeth> 166 	            } elseif(is_object($val) && is_callable(array($val, '__toString'))) {
08:45 < MikeSeth> 167 	                $val = $val->__toString();
08:45 < MikeSeth> this is a bug in making
08:45 < MikeSeth> not good :<
08:45 < E_mE> how comes MikeSeth ?
08:45 < E_mE> because __toString() is far to vauge?
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08:46 < MikeSeth> E_mE: __toString() is not guaranteed to return unique string per object
08:46 < rick111> GOOD MORNING FRIENDS
08:46 < E_mE> see see :)
08:46 < MikeSeth> DONT YELL
08:46 < MikeSeth> E_mE: this is from the caching code, where configured value, if object, is getting translated into a caching group value.. 
08:46 < rick111> why not? ohhh yeah, IT'S NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH IRC RULES... sorry i forgot we have rules
08:46 < MikeSeth> rules are for losers
08:47 < MikeSeth> just don't yell :D
08:47 < rick111> \o/
08:47 < E_mE> i really must look at the caching of agavi at some point, as we have implemented caching here
08:47 < rick111> can I have operator status?
08:48 < E_mE> rick111: you can operate me if you like =P
08:48 < rick111> awesome
08:52 < marklar|omni> _cheerios: no need to enclose them in delims yeah
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08:58 < _cheerios> yeppers. need to read these py docs with more thought as they do what they say to the word.
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09:45 < ttj> Hmm...
09:45 < ttj> I have a route that matches against the pattern "/edit/({proposalId:\d+})" and when I have foo.bar.com/base/edit/1, it works as expected.
09:46 < ttj> If I have foo.bar.com/base/edit/1?asdf it also works.
09:46 < ttj> But with foo.bar.com/base/edit/1? it doesn't work and routing throws the default in.
09:46 < ttj> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong here?
09:48 < ttj> Then again, might as well use this chance to update to the newest version.
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09:51 < Wombert> that sounds like a problem with your rewrite, ttj 
09:53 < ttj> Hmm... RewriteBase /base/ and the RewriteRules and RewriteConds are the ones from the default .htaccess supplied.
09:58 < ttj> Ok, I dropped in 0.11.2 and now things seem to be working.
09:58 < ttj> *shrug*
10:02 < ttj> Interesting. On my personal dev platform running some older 0.11.0dev version the /base/edit/1? case also works. So I guess it's some combination of server configs+Agavi that was causing it.
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10:24 < impl> blargh
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13:02 < impl> Wombert__: Wombert__ Wombert__ Wombert__ Wombert__ 
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13:02 < Wombert__> ohai impl 
13:02 < Wombert__> sup
13:03 < impl> Wombert__: we need to have XML namespace versions independent of Agavi versions
13:03 < Wombert__> impl: you @ office?
13:03 < impl> we can't keep the envelope namespace as http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config
13:03 < impl> yeah
13:03 < Wombert__> imma call
13:03 < impl> my cellphone is dead
13:03 < Wombert__> ring ring
13:03 < impl> luls k
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13:16 < FaqOne> what would be the sensible way to approach creating an admin interface? e.g. in a separate project, or in different modules with templates and appropriate role based permissions?
13:19 < Whisller> Second application
13:21 < FaqOne> by application i presume you mean project... not application within a project like symfony?
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13:23 < Strzalek> huh, have problem. Dunno if I can explain it in english. Hope so
13:24 < impl> ahh this is much better
13:24 < Wombert__> wat impl 
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13:24 < Wombert> FaqOne: I'd do it in one module
13:24 < Wombert> that should work fine
13:24 < impl> 	xmlns:envelope_0_11="http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config"
13:24 < impl> 	xmlns:envelope_1_0="http://agavi.org/agavi/config/1.0"
13:24 < impl> ->
13:24 < impl> 	<xsl:template match="envelope_0_11:configurations | envelope_0_11:configuration | envelope_0_11:sandbox | envelope_0_11:parameters | envelope_0_11:parameter">
13:24 < Wombert> some people have "public" and "admin" modules
13:24 < impl> 		<xsl:element name="{local-name()}" namespace="{$envelope_1_0}">
13:25 < Strzalek> http://mt14.quickshareit.com/share/obrazek13b03d.png in right top there is a slot- module: Events, action: Add
13:25 < Strzalek> and I want to execute this slot "in place"
13:25 < Strzalek> when click Dodaj (Add) validate it
13:25 < Strzalek> if errors show this with higlighted inputs
13:26 < Strzalek> if ok, show success message
13:26 < Wombert> but the entire page reloads?
13:26 < Wombert> that's not so simple actually
13:26 < Strzalek> yes I now
13:26 < Wombert> there is a patch somewhere for a slot population filter by ross
13:26 < Wombert> that does this
13:26 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/561
13:26 < Strzalek> Wombert: I can do this with ajax, but I want have agavi validation
13:27 < Strzalek> and when I set some action url it execute blank page 
13:27 < Strzalek> like this
13:27 < Strzalek> http://mt15.quickshareit.com/share/obrazek355f38.png
13:27 < Strzalek> only with html slot
13:29 < rick111> Strzalek what language is that?
13:29 < Strzalek> Polish
13:29 < Strzalek> ;
13:29 < Strzalek> ;)
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13:29 < Strzalek> rick111: it is Polish without polish chars
13:29 < rick111> madness
13:29 < Strzalek> no, no
13:29 < Strzalek> those are "bushes"
13:29 < Strzalek> :D
13:30 < Wombert> I gtg though
13:30 < Wombert> laters
13:30 < Whisller> FaqOne: Like other project, or as said Wombert other modules for admin and public access. In symfony is a problem if you want use some things from other application, like id of route. 
13:30 < Strzalek> becouse of this is only html slot withous signed html with utf8 encoding
13:30 < Strzalek> ok, Wombert SlotPopulationFilter is only way to do this?
13:31 < Whisller> FaqOne: but I'm not sure which is better, I don't rememebr when I wrote something in agavi last time :)
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13:31 < Whisller> Ahh sorry one filter today ;)
13:31 < Strzalek> Ehh :(
13:34 < FaqOne> Whisller, why aren't you writing much in agavi now?
13:35 < Strzalek> becouse he work as sumfony guy
13:35 < Strzalek> :P :P :P
13:36 < Whisller> FaqOne: I don't have a time to write anything at home. At work we're using symfony. But I want to back to agavi. I started wrote a small debug filter with v-dogg.
13:37 < Whisller> Strzalek: hehe but only at work :P
13:37 < Strzalek> I know ;)
13:39 < Strzalek> Ok, anybody have idea how solve my problem?
13:40 < Whisller> Just btw. symfony has one really great thing, it is a scaffolding and its admin generator
13:41 < Whisller> Also components, are not a bad idea
13:41 < Whisller> But routing and validators are horrible 
13:43 < FaqOne> i think agavi could benefit from *optional* helper classes and admin generator... 
13:45 < Whisller> But you're thinking about helpers? I don
13:45 < Whisller> 't
13:46 < Whisller> think it is a good idea
13:46 < Whisller> Then in code you have that stupid functions like url_for link_to and so on for what? 
13:48 < Whisller> But admin generator is really cool, with it you can do your job faster.
13:48 < FaqOne> seems like they would be useful for generating forms from propel models...
13:49 < FaqOne> e.g. the admin generator i suppose
13:49 < impl> if anyone wants to take one of these on: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCode2008/Ideas
13:49 < impl> I mean, they're not reserved for students
13:49 < impl> :>
13:49 < impl> (see Scaffolding module)
13:49 < Strzalek> damm
13:49 < Strzalek> this SlotPopulationFiter
13:49 < Strzalek> don't work
13:49 < Strzalek> or I can't use it
13:49 < Strzalek> :(
13:52 < Strzalek> rick111: http://mt14.quickshareit.com/share/obrazek452eb7.png
13:52 < Whisller> impl: I don't think write scaffolding is a "Relatively easy" ;)
13:52 < Strzalek> rick111: now encoding is ok, and now it isn't maddnes ;)
13:53 < rick111> beautiful :x
13:53 < rick111> are you actually in, poland?
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13:56 < impl> Whisller: you might be right :P
13:59 < Whisller> "Agavi application for storing user-contributed libraries" It is important for community. Also something like symfony snippets should be available for users.
14:02 < Whisller> impl: so if someone want create one of this ideas, with who he should to talk?
14:07 < FaqOne> has agavi secured some gsoc funding?
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14:15 < Strzalek> rick111: yes
14:16 < Strzalek> i live here
14:16 < Strzalek> rick111: Whisller is also from PL ;)
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14:19 < Strzalek> huh
14:19 < Strzalek> ;/
14:21 < impl> Whisller: Probably Wombert
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14:32 < Strzalek> Wombert: this SlotFilter don't work, or I can't use it
14:37 < Whisller> impl: Has someone already started to write any of this ideas?
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14:46 < impl> Whisller: Someone was working on the library for Agavi components
14:46 < impl> I can't remember who though
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14:59 < CIA-5> impl * r2632 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/ (14 files in 6 dirs): 
14:59 < CIA-5> branches/david-xml_only_config_system (refs #519): Add new namespaces for 1.0;
14:59 < CIA-5> introduce RelaxNG validation for factories.xml; implement parts of
14:59 < CIA-5> AgaviXmlConfig(DomElement|DomDocument); implement the factories XML config
14:59 < CIA-5> handler; bugfixes
15:00 < impl> hoho
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15:12 < ricklll> LO0K AT ME
15:14  * E_mE cuts his eyes out in disgust!
15:17 < CIA-5> impl * r2633 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/ (5 files in 3 dirs): branches/david-xml_only_config_system (refs #519): move test AgaviXmlFactoryConfigHandler to AgaviFactoryConfigHandler
15:32 < shrink0r> the AgaviNumberValidator handles arrays without extra configuration right?
15:35 < impl> I think all validators should
16:02 < v-dogg> yup
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16:03 < kaos|work> they do
16:03 < CIA-5> impl * r2634 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/config/ (AgaviConfigCache.class.php AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php): branches/david-xml_only_config_system (refs #519): Introduce core.skip_config_transformations directive to allow users to skip XSL transformations if they do not have the XSL extension enabled
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16:12 < CIA-5> impl * r2635 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/tests2/config/ConfigHandlersConfigHandlerTest.php: branches/david-xml_only_config_system (refs #519): Fix ConfigHandlersConfigHandlerTest to use the right array key
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16:32 < shrink0r> hmm, I'm giving the number validator an array with four ints and am only receiving one on my action
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16:49 < CIA-5> david * r2636 /trunk/src/controller/AgaviController.class.php: fixed bug introduced in [2249]
16:49 < Wombert> shrink0r: show
16:51 < CIA-5> david * r2637 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge [2628:2636/trunk]
16:55 < CIA-5> david * r2638 /trunk/src/controller/AgaviController.class.php: damnit... forgot change in [3636]
16:55 < Wombert> NOOOOOOO
16:55 < Wombert> :<
16:55 < Wombert> WRONG REV NUMBER
16:55 < Wombert> EVERYTHING GOES WRONG TODAY
16:55 < Wombert> OMG
16:55 < Wombert> asdsdjdfkb1243r
16:56 < CIA-5> david * r2639 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/src/controller/AgaviController.class.php: merge [2637:2638/trunk]
17:01 < shrink0r> Wombert: http://rafb.net/p/GjMRcU46.html
17:02 < Wombert> ...
17:02 < Wombert> that runs the number validator on the array
17:02 < Wombert> you want the number validator to run for each item in the array
17:02 < shrink0r> yepp
17:02 < Wombert> <arguments base="privleges">
17:02 < Wombert>   <argument />
17:02 < Wombert> or
17:02 < Wombert> <arguments base="privleges[]">
17:02 < Wombert>   <argument />
17:02 < shrink0r> argh
17:02 < Wombert> one of those will work
17:02 < Wombert> and
17:02 < shrink0r> k
17:02 < Wombert> privileges
17:02 < Wombert> :p
17:02 < shrink0r> hehe
17:03 < shrink0r> kk
17:04 < shrink0r> yeah, that looks a whole lot better
17:07 < Wombert> man
17:07 < Wombert> we need continuous integration
17:11 < Wombert> aha
17:11 < Wombert> [2633] broke it
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17:45 < marklar|omni> ohai
17:49 < Macen> anyone know why my filetree is telling me the type of data in my files? http://temp.youds.com/Picture%201.png
17:49 < Macen> i started to sync files with rsync, rather than just putting them, now it tells me all these things i don't need to know
17:49 < Macen> fail
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18:03 < marklar|omni> er wtf
18:03 < marklar|omni> use the navigator view
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19:06 < Macen> that was navigator
19:06 < Macen> think i was abusing the files a little too much
19:07 < Macen> re-wrote the bashfail and it's ok now
19:10 < marklar|omni> kek
19:10 < Macen> for all mac haters, migrate assistant > you
19:10 < Macen> </troll>
19:11 < Macen> it has even copied over my keychain so liek..most software licenses are copied too :x
19:12 < Macen> "oops" heh
19:13 < impl> I'm sure `cp` does the job just fine
19:13 < Macen> then you're wrong
19:13 < Macen> what about system settings etc
19:14 < impl> Oh, I apologize for knowing where my operating system stores its configuration
19:16 < Macen> eh
19:17 < Macen> they built in ARD too so Screen Sharing remotely is just a case of config'ing your firewall to not be an ass
19:24 < marklar|omni> um heh
19:24 < marklar|omni> Macen: it's all fine and dandy
19:24 < marklar|omni> but DOES IT RUN CRYSIS
19:24 < marklar|omni> KTHX
19:24 < marklar|omni> oh and can I put my 8800gtx sli in it?
19:24 < marklar|omni> :<
19:25  * Macen blinks
19:25 < Macen> dunno :) 
19:25 < Macen> prob not !
19:25 < marklar|omni> so what's it good for then
19:26 < marklar|omni> and even shitty ubuntu has settings migration
19:26 < marklar|omni> so eh
19:26 < Macen> CS3 is pretty leet
19:26 < Macen> and
19:26 < marklar|omni> NOT SOLD.
19:26 < Macen> you could do your unixfail through virtualisation 
19:26 < Macen> so ner
19:27 < marklar|omni> why would I virtualize a perfectly good os that has better driver support and runs my shit better
19:27 < Macen> because you need macwin 
19:27 < marklar|omni> on a shitty os that's locked into apple's megalomania + $299 per upgrade
19:27 < marklar|omni> why?
19:27 < Macen> hoho
19:27 < marklar|omni> impl: backup plz
19:27 < Macen> i think impl agrees
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19:27 < marklar|omni> he's going to activate the reality distortion field
19:27 < marklar|omni> :<
19:28 < marklar|omni> <apple> ohai
19:28 < Macen> reality distortion field is activated by yuo
19:28 < marklar|omni> <apple> here's a midrange laptop that costs twice more than a much more powerful desktop
19:28 < marklar|omni> <apple> AND ITS WHITE
19:28 < marklar|omni> <fanboiz> ZOMG SOLD
19:29 < Macen> as flhlrostum says /care no
19:29 < marklar|omni> <apple> oh and heres a smartphone that doesn't even allow copypaste, costs $800 and is locked into our shitty activation system
19:29 < marklar|omni> haha
19:29 < marklar|omni> FAIL.
19:30 < marklar|omni> apple is the geek version of bling
19:30 < marklar|omni> shiny and useless.
19:30 < Macen> ubuntu etc could learn a few things from apple
19:30 < marklar|omni> well, at least ubuntu supports right-clicking
19:30 < Macen> oh marklar
19:30 < marklar|omni> OH WHAT
19:30 < Macen> so does apple
19:30 < marklar|omni> AFTER 20 YEARS 
19:30 < marklar|omni> and after they stole bsd code :D
19:31 < Macen> hah i <3 apple when i see "From Debain docs" in their man's
19:31 < Macen> how is that not best of both worlds in reality 
19:31 < marklar|omni> it'll be best of both when it's free
19:31 < marklar|omni> and they price the hardware sanely
19:31 < marklar|omni> and not re-invent fucking DVI connectors
19:31 < marklar|omni> how fucking retarded is that
19:32 < Macen> define DVI? their power adaptors are win?!
19:32 < marklar|omni> um
19:32 < marklar|omni> digital video interface
19:32 < marklar|omni> apple made a shitty micro version
19:32 < marklar|omni> instead of splurging 30 FUCKIN CENTS
19:32 < marklar|omni> and adding hdmi instead
19:32 < marklar|omni> they're all about locking you in
19:33 < marklar|omni> and making you pay for the privilege
19:33 < Macen> right now i can see the reflection of my glowing apple logo on the back of the laptop top
19:33 < Macen> that makes me happy :(
19:33 < Macen> SORRY
19:33 < Macen> FOR BEING HAPPY
19:33 < Macen> I HATE YUO :(
19:33 < impl> sorry I was reading a thread about semen
19:33 < marklar|omni> stage 2: denial
19:33 < impl> on a gamer forum
19:33 < impl> what's up
19:33 < marklar|omni> haha
19:33 < marklar|omni> 4chan is back btw
19:33 < marklar|omni> impl: scrollback plz
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19:34 < impl> marklar|omni: I agree
19:34 < impl> Apple is deff a cult
19:34 < marklar|omni> heh
19:34 < marklar|omni> good.
19:34 < marklar|omni> nah, srsly
19:35 < impl> I am serious
19:35 < marklar|omni> you can get a top of the line dell xps
19:35 < marklar|omni> for like
19:35 < marklar|omni> $600
19:35 < marklar|omni> while a failbook is thrice that
19:35 < marklar|omni> and the dell will wipe the floor with it
19:35 < marklar|omni> er, with the current usd value, maybe 500eu
19:35 < marklar|omni> but still, I don't see a single reason to buy apple hardware
19:36 < impl> Apple used to be cool when they used PPC
19:36 < marklar|omni> I'd use the software if it was free / cheap
19:36 < impl> I considered buying one and then installing Gentoo/PPC on it
19:36 < marklar|omni> hehe
19:36 < marklar|omni> G5's were cool, to look at
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19:36 < erisco> huomenta
19:36 < impl> hallo thar
19:36 < marklar|omni> hoai
19:37 < impl> I find it amusing that Apple still differentiates themselves from 'PC's
19:37 < marklar|omni> all while using (relatively) commodity hw
19:37 < marklar|omni> heh
19:37 < impl> Yeah
19:38 < marklar|omni> I'd definitely get my mom a iMac or something
19:38 < marklar|omni> she'd love that
19:38 < marklar|omni> but, uh
19:38 < marklar|omni> for real-world usage
19:38 < marklar|omni> pfft
19:38 < marklar|omni> I'll get more shit done on tehlunix/bsd
19:38 < impl> srsly
19:38 < marklar|omni> w/o eye candy and silly "oh lawlz look at tham windows slide " crap
19:38 < marklar|omni> my gf's sister played with all the ui transitions for like 2hrs
19:38 < marklar|omni> and then realized that there's no version of ms office on mac that supports hebrew
19:39 < marklar|omni> insta-refund :D
19:39 < Macen> open office
19:39 < erisco> does anyone have a blog application written on agavi?
19:39 < erisco> might save myself from writing one
19:39 < marklar|omni> Macen: so why get an apple then
19:39 < marklar|omni> I can run openoffice for free
19:39 < marklar|omni> w/o paying mucho dinero for a non-rugged, easily-stained, shitty-keyboard laptop
19:39 < Macen> and you can't blame mac for MS's failsupport for languages
19:40 < impl> so far my favorite OS X software is Grapher
19:40 < marklar|omni> it's a general macos issue
19:40 < marklar|omni> it fails at teh i18n
19:40 < impl> otoh I have Mathematica at my disposal on Windows
19:40 < marklar|omni> heh
19:40 < marklar|omni> my fav macos software is photo booth
19:40 < marklar|omni> otoh, I have cheese(1)
19:40 < marklar|omni> oh btw
19:40 < impl> Is that like digikam?
19:40 < marklar|omni> I installedz the debians today
19:40 < marklar|omni> on teh lappy
19:41 < marklar|omni> + kde4
19:41 < marklar|omni> ftw
19:41 < impl> KDE 4.1?
19:41 < impl> werkz?
19:41 < marklar|omni> ya fo sure
19:41 < marklar|omni> it's really nice
19:41 < impl> awesome
19:41 < marklar|omni> yep
19:41 < marklar|omni> took me a whiel though
19:41 < impl> is it still in experimental?
19:41 < marklar|omni> yep
19:41 < marklar|omni> it's quite usable though
19:41 < marklar|omni> but you'll have to aptpin the stuff
19:41 < marklar|omni> which is meh
19:42 < impl> aye
19:42 < marklar|omni> erisco: not really, but just plonk an ORM and some nice templates around it
19:42 < marklar|omni> shouldn't be more than like 3hrs
19:42 < impl> erisco: MikeSeth is writing one
19:42 < impl> for our dox
19:42 < marklar|omni> he's been writing that shit for ages
19:42 < erisco> ah that is right. I will wait for mikeseth then
19:42 < marklar|omni> heh
19:42 < marklar|omni> shutterstock needs to give me more salez
19:42 < marklar|omni> 20 sales in 3 days
19:43 < marklar|omni> on a portfolio with like 12 vectors
19:43 < marklar|omni> heh
19:43 < Macen> you on commission?
19:44 < marklar|omni> yeah
19:44 < marklar|omni> at lots of sites
19:44 < marklar|omni> shutterstock, dreamstime, 123rf, etc
19:44 < marklar|omni> actually I'm just proxying my gf's works there
19:44 < marklar|omni> I'm not creative enough to draw shit
19:44 < marklar|omni> I just take pictures.
19:45 < Macen> pictures are win
19:46 < marklar|omni> too much effort though
19:46 < marklar|omni> and I need to buy me some new lenses
19:46 < marklar|omni> and maybe a manfrutto tripod
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19:46 < marklar|omni> hrm
19:46 < marklar|omni> maybe some filters
19:46 < marklar|omni> and, um
19:46 < marklar|omni> hehe
19:46 < marklar|omni> LOTS OF STUFF
19:46 < Macen> win!!
19:46 < marklar|omni> (btw, apple still sucks)
19:46 < Macen> (lies)
19:47 < Whisller> marklar|omni: why?
19:47 < Macen> ohhh
19:47 < Macen> basically because Unix doesn't belong in virtualisation !!
19:47 < marklar|omni> Whisller: see logs
19:47 < Macen> haheahr
19:47 < marklar|omni> er, what
19:48 < marklar|omni> what does that have to do with anything
19:48 < Macen> say you get a mac, by whatever means
19:48 < marklar|omni> I have access to one
19:48 < marklar|omni> go on
19:48 < Macen> then when you got one
19:48 < impl> I seriously need to get a tripod
19:48 < Macen> you say "oh but i need this unix XXX prog"
19:48 < impl> Macen: Shut up.
19:48 < Macen> and throw the mac away???
19:48 < marklar|omni> er, no
19:48 < marklar|omni> I would carefully weigh my options and alternatives
19:49 < marklar|omni> include my needs and desires
19:49 < marklar|omni> and rationally decide to get THREE POWERFUL BOXES
19:49 < marklar|omni> for teh price of a single shitty apple ibook
19:49 < marklar|omni> so gtfo :D
19:49 < marklar|omni> <3
19:49 < Macen> teh unix lives on for another day
19:49 < Macen> must get tea
19:50 < marklar|omni> impl: a manfrutto, yes?
19:50 < impl> marklar|omni: I dunno anything about tripods
19:51 < marklar|omni> wow, macbooks are $1,100USD (lowest end)
19:51 < marklar|omni> haha
19:51 < marklar|omni> http://www.alienware.com/products/area-51-m9750-notebook.aspx
19:52 < impl> http://www.manfrotto.com/Jahia/site/manfrotto/cache/offonce/pid/1882?livid=68&lsf=68&child=1
19:52 < impl> which one is best
19:52 < marklar|omni> how much are you spending
19:52 < impl> I don't know :D
19:52 < marklar|omni> um
19:52 < marklar|omni> $400?
19:52 < impl> that sounds reasonable
19:52 < marklar|omni> k sec
19:52 < marklar|omni> thing is
19:52 < marklar|omni> with pro tripods
19:52 < marklar|omni> you get a head separately
19:52 < marklar|omni> and the tripod separately
19:52 < marklar|omni> you know that, rite?
19:53 < impl> hmm
19:53 < impl> well I see the link
19:53 < impl> to Heads
19:53 < impl> :>
19:53 < impl> the kit, does it have both?
19:53 < marklar|omni> not sure
19:53 < marklar|omni> sec
19:54 < marklar|omni> lemme find you a purchase link :D~
19:54 < marklar|omni> oh 
19:54 < marklar|omni> did I tell you that my gf got me a lowepro computrekker?
19:55 < impl> oh nice :o
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19:55 < marklar|omni> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/353316-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto__028B_Tripod_Legs_Black_.html
19:55 < marklar|omni> ya it's full of win
19:55 < marklar|omni> a little large-ish
19:55 < marklar|omni> whoa awesome
19:56  * marklar|omni is tracking clicks on links via js pingbacks
19:56 < marklar|omni> hehe
19:56 < marklar|omni> [Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:52:09 +0300] 70.126.25.220 -> http://www.dreamstime.com/ladybug-with-butterflies-illustration-rimage4981991-resi571560&_=1217533928707
19:56 < marklar|omni> BUY BUY BUY
19:56 < marklar|omni> and GIMME THE REFERRAL
19:56 < impl> that's cute :D
19:56 < marklar|omni> hehe
19:56 < marklar|omni> ya
19:57 < marklar|omni> like MikeSeth said, I'm peddling cute pictures
19:57 < marklar|omni> brb pee
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20:15 < marklar|omni> lighty config cleaned up
20:15 < marklar|omni> yay
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21:14 < _cheerios> aww, got stung today :|
21:15 < Wombert_> bee?
21:15 < _cheerios> wasp
21:15 < _cheerios> they sting, they really sting
21:18 < marklar|omni> kek
21:20 < _cheerios> minor swelling, went away. just the pain remains. lovely.
21:21 < marklar|omni> fail
21:23 < _cheerios> die
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21:28 < _cheerios> anyone remember how to get a window manager to start proper if its been foobard, on linux
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21:28 < marklar|omni> meaning?
21:28 < _cheerios> i tried ubuntu on my kubuntu setup
21:28 < _cheerios> removed ubuntu
21:29 < marklar|omni> mm
21:29 < _cheerios> now kdm/gdm won't start
21:29 < marklar|omni> prolly same thing I had
21:29 < _cheerios> have to sudo kdm
21:29 < marklar|omni> see if there's any mention of fail in /var/log/(k|g)dm.log
21:29 < _cheerios> (or startx... BUT that goes to the wrong setup)
21:30 < marklar|omni> I had kdm fail on me because xorg was set to use the vesa driver for some reason
21:30 < marklar|omni> and vesa is fubar in xorg
21:30 < marklar|omni> (debian-packaged xorg)
21:30 < _cheerios> ah, (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
21:31 < marklar|omni> that would be the reason :D
21:31 < marklar|omni> switch to nvidia instead of nv
21:31 < marklar|omni> or viceversa
21:31 < marklar|omni> eheh
21:31 < _cheerios> i wouldnt mind being off acceleration at all, as box has been unstable
21:31 < _cheerios> i toggled nvidia stuff on now, should just be a reboot
21:32 < _cheerios> will know tomorrow :)
21:32 < marklar|omni> gurr
21:32 < marklar|omni> why reboot?
21:32 < marklar|omni> init 3 && init 5
21:32 < _cheerios> spent all night at beach, had to come home as it got so cold
21:32 < _cheerios> hmm
21:33 < _cheerios> how can i tell it'll work at boot? i mean, it loaded fine when called standalone?
21:33 < marklar|omni> um
21:33 < marklar|omni> assuming it's configured correctly
21:33 < marklar|omni> no reason for fail
21:34 < _cheerios> severe hives all over the body with itch, flushing of the skin, swelling of the face and lips, cramping in the abdominal area, painful joints, nausea and possible vomiting, increased heart rate, difficulty swallowing, problemsbreathing properly or wheezing because of swelling of the throat and constriction of the air passage leading to the lungs (anaphylaxis), weakness, faintness, or unconsciousness, shock and drop in blood
21:34 < _cheerios> pressure, anxiety
21:34 < _cheerios> i don't feel any of these, should be over the wasp sting... just painful, still, like 2hrs+ after
21:34 < marklar|omni> heh
21:34 < marklar|omni> DEATH.
21:36 < Whisller> I have a small problem with templates, exactly displaying them. After send form ( by POST ) it return me a blank page. It execute action, view and template ( I've checked it using die() function ) but do not display a content of template - When I've added die after content it displayed it. But without slot. I remember it was a similar problem with suhosin for PHP but I don't have this extension.
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21:44 < Whisller> Hmm without FPF it works
21:44 < _cheerios> check that apache isnt segfaulting
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21:45 < _cheerios> marklar|omni: IF I DON'T WAKEUP IT'S ON YOU
21:46 < Whisller> I cannot be apache, because without fpf filter it display template right. 
21:47 < Whisller> *it
21:48 < marklar|omni> l
21:48 < marklar|omni> k
21:48 < marklar|omni> :D~
21:48 < marklar|omni> http://www.last.fm/music/D%C3%B8dheimsgard/_/Ion+Storm
21:51 < Whisller> I've changed method in validator from write to read, and it execute handleError but display template good. Only when I'm sending form using POST :> 
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