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03:49 < Wombert_> sleep time! :p
03:49 < Wombert_> two or three hours ;:p
03:49 < Wombert_> laters
03:54 < nfq> laters.. sweet dreams!
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06:23 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:32 < liutis> huomenta :)
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07:42 < _trophaeum> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/31/1846214&from=rss BWAHAHAHA
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07:43 < MugeSo> huomenta
08:00 < MugeSo> I want to send a e-mail as a result of my action, and the content of e-mail should be rendered with any template.
08:00 < MugeSo> I think this function is view in MVC model. 
08:03 < MugeSo> but, no surprises, agavi's view can not send e-mail.
08:04 < MugeSo> hmm...
08:08 < MugeSo> even if sending e-mail is not a veiw in MVC, features of agavi's veiw such as caching and rendering are also useful to sending email.
08:09 < MugeSo> how can I do?
08:22 < MugeSo> I'll try to make a ActionFilter grabs output and sends email.
08:23 < MugeSo> bye
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09:29 < _cheerios> hyvää huomenta
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11:19 < _cheerios> v-dogg: http://i1.tinypic.com/4ukuxq9.jpg
11:25 < v-dogg> :)
11:25 < ttj> Nice.
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11:46 < ttj> My god... I want to kill me upstairs neighbor.
11:46 < ttj> For some reason s/he has to play Cher at loud volumes when everyone surely has a hangover.
11:51 < ttj> "Duu juu biliiv in laif äääfter loooov..."
11:54 < ttj> "Beibi its aal oor naathing nau! Dount vanna ran änd ai käänt vaak aut!"
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15:25 < _cheerios> digitarald, you showed something akin sprintf() for mootools here earlier?
15:25 < digitarald> a template system
15:25 < _cheerios> i have piece of text where i'd just need to replace values for indexes, not sure how to go about it other than that
15:26 < digitarald> let me commit my latest version
15:26 < digitarald> its in my branch
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20:26 < _cheerios> deathproof :po
21:15 < _cheerios> when finnish location names are turned into English... http://www.hs.fi/kaupunki/artikkeli/Hello+I+come+from+Three+Ass+%E2%80%93+p%C3%A4%C3%A4kaupunkiseudulle+ehdotetaan+englanninkielisi%C3%A4+paikannimi%C3%A4/1135229973714
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07:31 < _cheerios> jee!
07:34 < _cheerios> waking up and ordering stuff from Amazon. i hope the decisions are good this early in the morning.
07:39 < _cheerios> Finland is so expensive. Amazon price $26 + S&H, versus Finland 41e + S&H (online) or 59e from a major bookstore.
07:43 < MikeSeth> fuckers dont even ship to where I live
07:44 < MikeSeth> or rather, they do, but they shipment misses the destinations
07:44 < MikeSeth> I orderd a book in first week of April and got a delivery failure notice two weeks ago
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07:49 < _cheerios> move out from Bahgdad, silly!
07:49 < _cheerios> the delivery does take time. 2-4 weeks. no rush.
07:58 < JanK_> do someone have a simple app with models?
07:59 < JanK_> for example with the defualt propel models
08:01 < JanK_> agavi needs the popular blog-example :)
08:34 < _cheerios> check out v-dogg's cms for tips?
08:35 < v-dogg> yeah.. should find the time to polish it up
08:39 < v-dogg> JanK_: http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/browse_thread/thread/8262f274e4dda261/
08:41 < JanK_> thanks
09:45 < splatch`> hello
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10:23 < MikeSeth> mmm how do I tell the FPF *not* to refill the values?
10:24 < v-dogg> $req->setAttribute('populate', false, 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
10:24 < MikeSeth> thought so.
10:24 < MikeSeth> thx
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11:48 < selloso> Hi together, I got a question concerning agavi with propel. I placed my project-config.php by propel in the the config dir, configured it in the databases.xml and so on. Then i put the "main classes" by propel in the audoload.xml The are loaded but i'm gettin erros while including the files that are referenced in the propel class. How can i solve this problem?
11:51 < selloso> I know i could extend the include path, but i guess there has to be a better way
11:52 < selloso> oh, i'm using proepl 1.2
11:52 < selloso> propel
11:55 < _cheerios> i think everyone has extended the include path by some means (eg. set_include_path(".../build/classes" . PATH_SEPARATOR . get_include_path());)
11:55 < _cheerios> atleast when i queried about this months ago there was no answer to the contrary
11:56 < selloso> yeah, that's what i thought.. is there a way to do this via an agavi config file?
11:57 < _cheerios> if there is, im not aware
12:00 < selloso> *sigh* It's a pity
12:00 < selloso> many tahnks for you're help
12:01 < selloso> this is a definitely feature wish :-D
12:11 < _cheerios> heh @ restful urls http://www.genwi.com/blogs/order/new/popular/this%20week/filter/type/blog/category/technology/Page211
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14:08 < MikeSeth> http://blog.mikeseth.com/index.php?/archives/4-ActiveRecord-sucks,-but-Kore-Nordmann-is-wrong.html#extended
14:08 < MikeSeth> COMMENTS PLZ
14:22 < kaos|work> too much text *g*
14:23 < kaos|work> (i'll read it later ... only quickly read thru the post of kore 
14:24 < MikeSeth> in summary
14:24 < MikeSeth> MVC model !+ ORM "model"
14:24 < MikeSeth> err
14:24 < MikeSeth> !=
14:24 < kaos|work> yeah
14:24 < kaos|work> that's true indeed ;)
14:26 < MikeSeth> I scold cake/trax/symfony for their railsism :D
14:27 < kaos|work> well, ask 5 people how to do the data storage and you'll get 5 different answers
14:27 < kaos|work> ;)
14:29 < v-dogg> or more
14:30 < MikeSeth> kaos|work: it's the 2 jews principle
14:30 < MikeSeth> "2 jews 3 opinions"
14:30 < kaos|work> heh
14:30 < MikeSeth> but, the question isn't how to do data storage
14:30 < MikeSeth> it's how not to :)
14:31 < kaos|work> well, a model in mvc sense doesn't has anything to do with a db model
14:31 < kaos|work> else stuff like an emailmodel wouldn't make sense *ggg*
14:31 < MikeSeth> rails says it does, and the sheeple repeat
14:32 < MikeSeth> actually this might be a great point to make
14:32 < MikeSeth> a model doesn't necessarily encapsulate database
14:32 < kaos|work> it encapsulates business logic
14:32 < kaos|work> whatever that may be
14:32 < kaos|work> generate reports
14:32 < kaos|work> connect to another server via ssh and do strange things
14:32 < kaos|work> whatever you can imagine ;)
14:33 < MikeSeth> No, I mean, make it a point to show this explicitly
14:34 < kaos|work> omg, i need to sort 5 months of unfiltered spam now 
14:34 < kaos|work> finally back home
14:34 < kaos|work> now with an cool monitor / pc setup ;)
14:35 < kaos|work> 2 tfts, the macbook + synergy + middle monitor can be switched to be secondary monitor for windows
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14:48 < MikeSeth> 2 tfts? you bastard
14:55 < kaos|work> a 20" widescreen
14:56 < kaos|work> and an few years old 17"
14:56 < kaos|work> (without dvi input :D)
15:03 < _cheerios> MikeSeth is blogging? God help us.
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15:04 < MugeSo> huomenta
15:04 < MikeSeth> my imaginary reputation precedes me!
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15:11 < _cheerios> I've been moving forward, now using Doctrine, to having table models (database access) and then plain models (domain logic). I don't have anything against using both to their benefits.
15:12 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: Doctrine is sweeet
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15:20 < foutrelis> :)
15:22 < MugeSo_> I'm about to make MailResponse which sends emails as response/output.
15:22 < MikeSeth> MugeSo_: implemented as a model or a contained action?
15:22 < MikeSeth> foutrelis: oh. I see I've turned you on.
15:22 < MikeSeth> huomenta!
15:23 < MugeSo_> MikeSeth: extends AgaviResponse. and use with contained action.
15:23 < MikeSeth> MugeSo_: ha! Kick ass.
15:23 < MikeSeth> I wanna watch the cakers do that
15:23 < MikeSeth> on the second thought, I dont
15:24 < foutrelis> MikeSeth: You sure did ;)
15:24 < MikeSeth> foutrelis: welcome to the conspiracy
15:24 < MikeSeth> read my ohloh review in the topic for summary of features
15:24 < foutrelis> thanks :)
15:25 < MugeSo_> but I wanna use slots and cache...
15:26 < MikeSeth> MugeSo_: why not? action output is cacheable, and the slot facility is available
15:28 < _cheerios> did you submit your article to places so we can see some angry comments?
15:28 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: you mean the ohloh one or the one I just posted on me blog?
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15:31 < _cheerios> your blog article
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15:38 < MugeSo_> MikeSeth: oh! sorry, I misread what you say.:$
15:40 < MugeSo_> I'm not good at English...
15:41 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: a little bit :)
15:42 < MikeSeth> MugeSo_: nihonjin desu? ;)
15:44 < MugeSo_> MikeSeth: yeah. I'm Japanese.
15:44 < MikeSeth> MugeSo_: awesome
15:45 < MugeSo_> thx
15:46 < MugeSo_> going back to the MailResponse,
15:47 < MikeSeth> have fun
15:52 < MugeSo_> do I have no alternative but to write contained action's Action class or View class like this:
15:52 < MugeSo_>  
15:52 < MugeSo_> Some_OneView extends ProjectBaseView {
15:52 < MugeSo_>     public function execute(AgaviRequestHolder $rd) {
15:52 < MugeSo_>         $response = new MailResponse();
15:52 < MugeSo_>         $this->getContainer()->setResponse($response);
15:52 < MugeSo_>     }
15:52 < MugeSo_> }
15:54 < MugeSo_> I mean ... is this  the only way to change response dinamic.
15:54 < MugeSo_> ?
15:56 < MikeSeth> you can just return it
15:58 < MugeSo_> oh! it's cool!
15:58 < MugeSo_> MikeSeth: thank you!
15:58 < MikeSeth> :D
16:03 < MugeSo_> finaly i can sleep by your favor :)
16:04 < MikeSeth> haha I wish problems like this kept me awake
16:04 < MugeSo_> bye!
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17:57 < _cheerios> \o/
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20:08 < _cheerios> 0 comments :/ aww, that sucks MikeSeth :/
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22:53 < MikeSeth> www.akelos.org
22:53 < MikeSeth> :(
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03:16 < impl> MikeSeth: what's up?
03:19 < impl> MikeSeth: haha, watching the video of that framework
03:19 < impl> looks worthless
03:20 < EoN`> they use "Four spaces, no tabs". 
03:20 < EoN`> which makes it completely void as an option in my books.
03:20 < impl> I use four spaces :(
03:21 < EoN`> i hate spaces :(
03:21 < EoN`> ;)
03:21 < impl> For a framework I'd probably use tabs, though
04:10 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:26 < _cheerios> huomenta
06:37 < _cheerios> Akelos fans in ze logs ;)
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06:39 < MugeSo> huomenta
06:39 < _cheerios> good morning japan!
06:40 < _cheerios> just checked tokyo is 6hrs ahead. oh well, atleast it's morning here ;)
06:41 < MugeSo> oh!! how kind of you to remeber!! :)
06:42 < MugeSo> yeah, it's 15:42.
06:45 < MugeSo> the westering sun is too bright..
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06:48 < MugeSo> why is a rouging instance created in AgaviExecutionFilter?
06:49 < MugeSo> not rouging but routing
06:50 < MugeSo> why not in AgaviExecutionContainer...
06:54 < _cheerios> i havent been looking at agavi sources in eons
06:57 < MugeSo> _cheerios: ok, thanks
06:58 < MugeSo> now, from I've seen, it's impossible to chage routing instance dynamic.
07:02 < v-dogg> why do you want to do that?
07:04 < MugeSo> hmm.
07:05 < v-dogg> if you want to use your own routing, define the class in factories.xml
07:05 < MugeSo> oh! mistake
07:05 < v-dogg> other than that I don't understand why would you want to change it 
07:05 < MugeSo> not routing instance, i mean response instance
07:06 < v-dogg> ok :)
07:10 < MugeSo> and, if it's possible to change "response instance" dynamic, we can use particular respons instance which is , for example, implemented preset header.
07:11 < v-dogg> you can use output_types.xml to configure headers
07:11 < v-dogg> or do it in you BaseView
07:12 < v-dogg> I still fail to see the need to replace the whole instance at runtime
07:12 < MugeSo> i see..
07:12 < MugeSo> in fact, there is anther reason.
07:12 < v-dogg> shoot
07:13 < MugeSo> i'm about to make MailResponse extends AgaviResponse.
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07:14 < v-dogg> hmm... you think that's the best way to handle mailing?
07:15 < v-dogg> why do you want to create a response object for it?
07:15 < v-dogg> what's the use case?
07:15 < MugeSo> yeah,
07:17 < MugeSo> by doing this, we can use features such as slot, caching etc.
07:20 < MugeSo> I plan to use it for sending an email includeing activation key for registration.
07:24 < MugeSo> of course, i know i can make model to do that..
07:28 < _cheerios> when you have a hammer (mvc), everything looks like a nail ;)
07:28 < MugeSo> but i think it's not clear to implement similar function-- slot, caching, rendering, etc -- elsewhere.
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07:32 < MugeSo> hmm....
07:33 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: Akelos fans? in ze logs? where?
07:33 < MikeSeth> seriously I couldn't help but laugh when I read that site
07:33 < MikeSeth> and I don't mean indirection, I mean I actually had a ha-ha
07:35 < MugeSo> _cheerios: you mean i should make model for sending email?
07:36 < MikeSeth> MugeSo: I would. I thought you chose the response for some specific reason.
07:36 < MikeSeth> MugeSo: bear in mind that a model itself can execute contained actions as well
07:40 < MugeSo> MikeSeth: then, I come down to call "$container->getContent() " and send it as email?
07:43 < MikeSeth> MugeSo: yeah. You can use caching that way as well.
07:45 < MugeSo> I see.
07:45 < _cheerios> ah, comments on your article! unsurprisingly someone picked up the DRY part.
07:46 < MugeSo> thx a lot!
07:46 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: I find it funny how this is actually a thinly veiled Akelos promotion
07:47 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: I thought I'd evaluate it seriously but then I opened the site, and saw the caption that goes "pragmatic" and "productive" and some rounded conrners and screencasts along with exactly one page of documentation that tells you how to set up a sample app
07:47 < MikeSeth> then I laughed
07:47 < _cheerios> actually, afaik, symfony is a fork of mojavi. They copied M3 and added some glue.
07:48 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: funny, their site doesn't mention it
07:48 < _cheerios> eg. from ini->yaml, added propel and some i18n library.
07:48 < MikeSeth> well it does once..
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08:24 < codecop> hm, i got 1 field birthdate input, and validating it with xml, i got An exception of type *OverflowException* was thrown when input date is incorrect, how to catch it when validating with xml file
08:24 < codecop> ?
08:25 < codecop> or should i use validation in php file not xml
08:25 < MikeSeth> what do you mean validating with XML? Do you mean using Agavi validators?
08:25 < MikeSeth> codecop: you can use the "check" option of the date validator
08:26 < codecop> ok validators/birthdayInput.xml
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08:28 < codecop> i have in xml file           <parameter name="check">true</parameter>
08:28 < codecop> but  Exception: OverflowException is still here :/
08:30 < MikeSeth> codecop: this might be a bug. Have you updated from SVN recently?
08:31 < codecop> recently no
08:31 < MikeSeth> do that, if the problem doesnt go away, show me 
08:32 < codecop> ok updating
08:32 < codecop> thanx
08:38 < codecop> update isnt resolve, cannot convert the date 197/6/23 into a unix timestamp
08:40 < codecop> if date is bigger 19777/10/11 all ok date is incorrect, but if i  enter year == 197 got exception
08:44 < _cheerios> CouchDB seems interesting http://blog.leetsoft.com/2007/9/2/futuretalk-couchdb (+ love the acronym)
08:46 < codecop> this is xml file that fails to validate date: http://pastebin.ca/679710
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09:00 < MikeSeth> codecop: and the date?
09:00 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: its a JSON filesystem
09:00 < MikeSeth> isn't it?
09:02 < MikeSeth> codecop: what if you do 0197?
09:02 < MikeSeth> codecop: and, yeah, unix timestamps start at 1970
09:02 < MikeSeth> so, it can't be converted down
09:07 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, it's a bit more than that. I could use a distributed, redundant and fault-tolerant storage.
09:08 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: everyone could. The question is, does it perform as advertised
09:09 < _cheerios> it's still in alpha
09:15 < _cheerios> "File storage is coming in the next release. Keep in mind though CouchDb's purpose is not be a "file system" (which has it's own unique set of problems)."
09:15 < _cheerios> w00t, deffo waiting forward for that
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09:16 < RossC0> Huomenta!
09:17 < MikeSeth> hay ross
09:17 < _cheerios> RossC0, MikeSeth is pissing on Rails on his latest blog article. I think you should burn him! ;)
09:17 < MikeSeth> AND all of its descendnats
09:17 < RossC0> URL ? I have 1000's of missed RSS's
09:17 < codecop> MikeSeth, i will look later now have dine
09:17 < codecop> :)
09:17 < RossC0> <3 Merb
09:17 < MikeSeth> RossC0: blog.mikeseth.com
09:17 < RossC0> :D
09:18 < MikeSeth> what happened to agileweb.org?
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09:19 < RossC0> ?
09:19 < RossC0> hmm
09:20 < RossC0> i killed something
09:20 < _cheerios> i noticed it was down earlier too. I reckoned RossC0 had gone "underground". ;)
09:20 < _cheerios> (as he wasnt on irc either)
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09:21 < digitarald> heyho, anybody has a sample xml for or-validator
09:21 < digitarald> i have an or validator but it fails if it checks any other child-validator then the first one
09:23 < digitarald> it has 2 child validators, both class equal, first checks if action is username, second checks if action is password. Only username results in success, when i have action=password, it fails and the error is thrown in the equals-username-validator
09:25 < RossC0> 2 tics
09:25 < RossC0> http://pastie.caboo.se/private/ipbxcailz66cxup0od
09:26 < RossC0> my only or validator
09:27 < RossC0> MikeSeth: Like it ActiveRecord sucks :D
09:28 < RossC0> I'm planning to use this once its more stable http://code.google.com/p/ruby-sequel/
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10:20 < RossC0> http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070903.html
10:23 < _cheerios> heh heh
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10:32 < MikeSeth> bah
10:32 < MikeSeth> people are inviting me to facebook
10:32 < MikeSeth> i dont want the cia to know who my friends are
10:35 < _cheerios> reading CouchDB it seems so ace. I'm going to be all over it once file storage is implemented.
10:41 < _cheerios> http://jan.prima.de/~jan/plok/archives/72-Some-Context.html
10:43 < _cheerios> time to learn Erlang o_O
10:44 < codecop> can anyone share Date validator.xml to see how get proper dates below unix limiting of 1970 year
10:46 < _cheerios> never used that validator, but remove the cast_to unix?
10:48 < _cheerios> Erlang has no error handling? "If something doesn't work, you just don't care.". Cool. I like it already.
11:05 < RossC0> _cheerios: thanks for the tipoff - I may have a use for that in a personal project :D
11:06  * RossC0 delicious's it :D
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11:15 < MikeSeth> erlang sounds like another bullshit-inspired holy ground to me
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11:18 < _cheerios> i feel a quality blog post in the making!
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11:20 < _cheerios> have you seen comparisons of eg. java vs erlang thread usage when you pump up the load? java goes sky high while erlang is nearly a flatline. i can understand their language of choice for something like this.
11:25 < MikeSeth> I haven't. I don't care about the enterprisey
11:25 < MikeSeth> and now that I've looked towards CouchDB I think it's time to implement something based on it :)
11:27 < _cheerios> agavi + couchdb based forum? atleast it's simple :)
11:31 < MikeSeth> mmp
11:32 < MikeSeth> could be interesting albeit that really is a kind of thing better suited for rdbms
11:33 < MikeSeth> of course any document-based systems with tags and other shit would be a better target
11:33 < MikeSeth> i suppose though I could dick around with it and write a blog
11:33 < _cheerios> why is a forum suited for a rdbms?
11:34 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: the nature of access is very linear
11:37 < _cheerios> you lost me
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11:41 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: I mean, the kind of data and queries forums use are best fit for an RDBMS: forums are indeed tabular data
11:44 < _cheerios> what kind of an explanation is that?
11:45 < MikeSeth> *blink*
11:46 < MikeSeth> what do you mean? forums have fixed size, fixed width data. They have a tendency of grouping entries in a predictable manner.
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11:50 < _cheerios> ah, you're wondering how to do similar queries to get the data out?
11:55 < MikeSeth> no, I simply think that a flat database woudl probably be less efficient than a table-based one for this specific kind of application
12:05 < _cheerios> there's probably ways to do these things. we have to give it a spin to find out.
12:07 < MikeSeth> oh my god hahahaha
12:07 < MikeSeth> now people are arguing about which framuhwork is bettar in my blog comments
12:09 < _cheerios> more comments? sweet
12:10 < MikeSeth> i get a distinct feeling that they dont even READ anything other than parts where their favourite framuhwork is getting bashed
12:32 < _cheerios> communication has evolved, MikeSeth. It's all about lolcatz these days. I didn't see any in your blog post.
12:32 < MikeSeth> haha actually now that you say that
12:32 < MikeSeth> I suppose I could put together a bit of educational materials based on lolcats
12:33 < RossC0> hmm agileweb is back up
12:34 < RossC0> but http://agileweb.org doesn't work / redirects to www.agileweb.org
12:34 < RossC0> that a vhost conf issue?
12:34 < _cheerios> webistrano? hmm
12:38 < _cheerios> RossC0, dns record missing for agileweb.org ?
12:39 < _cheerios> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
12:39 < _cheerios> ;agileweb.org.                  IN      A
12:39 < RossC0> was missing I overrode them
12:39 < RossC0> hmm
12:39 < _cheerios> that should be uncommented + point to same as www., and you should be set?
12:40 < MikeSeth> michael@deathwish:~$ dig a agileweb.org @c.ns.bytemark.co.uk +sh
12:40 < MikeSeth> michael@deathwish:~$
12:40 < MikeSeth> indeed
12:40 < MikeSeth> DNS is fubar.
12:41 < RossC0> ah maybe its not fully propegated 
12:41 < RossC0> it got scrubbed yesterday
12:42 < _cheerios> lol @ mike and his hostnames
12:42 < MikeSeth> :D
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13:00 < Whisller> hi
13:03 < MikeSeth> nom nom nom nom
13:20 < MikeSeth> RossC0: any progress on that console implementation?
13:22 < RossC0> erm?
13:22 < MikeSeth> you weren't working on the command line console?
13:22 < RossC0> for ?
13:22 < MikeSeth> for Agavi
13:24 < RossC0> I thought you were doing that ;)
13:25 < RossC0> http://agavi.org/irclogs/agavi-200706.log
13:25 < MikeSeth> aI always wanted to but someone told me theyre working on it
13:25 < MikeSeth> i thought that was you
13:26 < MikeSeth> ahh its Dominik
13:27 < RossC0> ah ok
13:27 < RossC0> still would be cool - specially for better testing
13:28 < RossC0> and for replacing phing
13:28 < MikeSeth> I realized what kinda headache it is..
13:28 < MikeSeth> I'm quite frankly depressed about it
13:31 < RossC0> hmm
13:31 < RossC0> boo
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13:35 < Wombert> mmmh
13:35 < Wombert> 24 inches ftw
13:35 < Wombert> :>
13:38 < MikeSeth> how can you even WALK with that
13:39 < MikeSeth> Wombert: http://blog.mikeseth.com/index.php?/archives/4-ActiveRecord-sucks,-but-Kore-Nordmann-is-wrong.html#comments
13:39 < Wombert> haha MikeSeth 
13:39 < Wombert> good one
13:39 < v-dogg> 24" hanging or during erection?
13:40 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: the word is 'flacid', FYI :)
13:40 < MikeSeth> flaccid, rather
13:40 < v-dogg> haha
13:40 < v-dogg> roger that :)
13:40 < MikeSeth> Wombert: they friggin argue on my blog whose "framework" is better
13:41 < MikeSeth> one of them wrote a framework in 15 lines and another one is cloning Rails in PHP
13:41 < MikeSeth> this blogging thing rapidly becomes a source of amusement
13:41 < MikeSeth> frigging human zoo
13:44 < v-dogg> "First, Symfony has nothing to do with Mojavi. From what I understand it was developed from scratch."
13:44 < RossC0> oops
13:44 < v-dogg> haha, well, you understod wrong
13:44 < Wombert> bahaha
13:45 < Wombert> can you guys hop in there and flame them to dead, plz, kthx? :)
13:49 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: I discovered later that I was wrong. But not /too/ wrong ;)
13:49 < MikeSeth> Wombert: but I'm right about Rails model abuse, am I not
13:49 < Wombert> I haven't read the article yet, MikeSeth 
13:49 < MikeSeth> you should, you would get a chuckle :D
13:51 < v-dogg> Symfony is based on Mojavi and every cool new feature (but not the crappy ones) are ripped from Agavi ;)
13:52 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: IIRC there was once a time when they didnt even bother to change Agavi copyrights
13:53 < v-dogg> oh yes :)
13:54 < nfq> Hey Wombert, got time later to chat?
13:54 < Wombert> nfq: yes, some time later tonight
13:54 < Wombert> that cool?
13:54 < nfq> Totally..
13:54 < Wombert> ace
13:54 < nfq> Perfect in fact.. speak later..
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14:03 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, I read further into couchdb and it does have "tables". They're called Views and are dynamically created/updated based on the criteria you specify.
14:09 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: oh yeah. The question is, how efficient is their indexing
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14:21 < Wombert> couchwhat?
14:22 < MikeSeth> Wombert: ohh you havent heard
14:26 < RossC0> Wombert: tagged it for you in delicious
14:28  * Wombert hugs RossC0 
14:28 < Wombert> restful, json, beh
14:30 < Wombert> uh huh
14:30 < Wombert> ace!
14:30 < Wombert> how quick is that
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14:37 < MikeSeth> we're about to find out
14:37 < MikeSeth> i wonder if erlang is lying
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16:32 < RossC0> hmm delicious is down..
16:34 < RossC0> huzzah its back
16:36 < Wombert> huzzah!
16:38  * _cheerios notes RossC0 is seriously addicted to delicious
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16:43 < RossC0> :D
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17:57 < _cheerios> "Give me all the documents from July where the Potato field is a two-element array where the first element is another JSON object with 7 fields, one of which has the value 24" :slurp:
17:58 < impl> What's a potato field?
18:00 < _cheerios> :)
18:06 < Wombert> _cheerios: pardon?
18:07 < _cheerios> oh, was just marveling a couchdb query :)
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20:13 < JanK_> i think MyPlace is a bad name, because of similiarity to MySpace
20:13 < JanK_> oops
20:15 < nfq> hehe
20:23 < _cheerios> o_O
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20:43 < _cheerios> Your Amazon.com order has shipped \o/
20:44 < _cheerios> ETA 24 days ;)
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21:30 < MikeSeth> what did ya order?
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06:09 < _cheerios> huomenta!
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07:16 < RossC0> huomenta
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08:33 < _cheerios> anyone been playing with vmware or networking lately?
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09:04 < Wombert> huomenta!
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09:17 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: I used to some time ago
09:19 < _cheerios> ok, glad i can pester someone with frustratingly hard questions related to this
09:19 < RossC0> _cheerios: whats up?
09:19 < RossC0> Huomenta Wombert
09:19 < RossC0> :D
09:19 < _cheerios> nothing yet. plan is to install two vmware instances and have them be able to talk with the host + each other.
09:21 < RossC0> well it will just NAT through - so some tweaking of your hosts will make it all go swimmingly
09:21 < RossC0> *should* just NAT through 
09:21 < RossC0> ;)
09:23 < _cheerios> i'll noob it before it goes swimmingly
09:23 < MikeSeth> actually there's quite a bunch of ways to hook it up to your OS
09:24 < MikeSeth> you can literally create a VPN made of virtual machines
09:24 < MikeSeth> I used to do that when I played with trojans, I had a forensic lab and a bunch of virtual test boxes
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10:29 < _cheerios> first vm up. host-guest-host (+net) works fine, now to setup another vm to see about that guest-guest setup...
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10:51 < _cheerios> seems to work out of the box. i hope the internal ip's stay the same for the vm's.
10:55 < RossC0> sweet
11:15 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: they generally do. vmware has its own dhcp daemon
11:15 < _cheerios> lucky me!
11:36 < _cheerios> mmm.. could really use an internal DNS at this point
12:20 < MikeSeth> hosts file <3 ;)
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12:28 < MugeSo> huomenta
12:36 < MugeSo> Wombert:create_function is called in AgaviToolkit::expandDirectives, isn't it?
12:40 < MugeSo> calling me..
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13:20 < _cheerios> gah. a single perl package won't install. :|
13:28 < _cheerios> same package installs fine on the host...
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13:36 < _cheerios> not much use for these vm's if i can't get the sw installed :)
13:40 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: what package?
13:41 < _cheerios> String::CRC32
13:42 < _cheerios> but, it was available via apt-get luckily, so I got past that dependecy
13:44 < _cheerios> still some packages throwing errors, bastards
13:46 < _cheerios> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables << and i get the oddest errors
13:47 < RossC0> http://www.magentocommerce.com/
13:47 < RossC0> "powered by the zend framework"
13:47 < RossC0> eek
13:48 < MikeSeth> flamework
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13:54 < v-dogg> (muahaha)
13:54 < v-dogg> "framework" 
13:54 < v-dogg> get real...
14:00 < _cheerios> mmm, finally. Anyone use Perl's CPAN? Where does it store the config.log when things go wrong? I couldn't find it in the dir where I issued the perl command atleast.
14:00 < MikeSeth> IIRC in ~/.cpan
14:01 < MugeSo> i've posted a message about create_function to the agavi-dev list.
14:01 < _cheerios> i wonder if on some channel, somwhere, people are dissing our framework just alike
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14:05 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, I checked there earlier and didn't find a thing. It was on the right direction as I tried now again and indeed it was in ~/.cpan/build/<package>/autoconf/config.log
14:09 < RossC0> MugeSo: cool
14:10 < MugeSo> RossC0:about create_function problem?
14:10 < RossC0> yup
14:15 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: heh
14:15 < MugeSo> RossC0:thx
14:16 < MugeSo> but....  now i re-test that..  in truth, not 4864 bytes but 1956bytes per call.
14:20 < MugeSo> there is little in it :p
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15:09 < JamieWolf> Hmmm, when i set a parameter in a renderer class this parameter should be available in the TemplateLayer class, or?
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15:25 < MikeSeth> JamieWolf: you mean as a member of $template?
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15:28 < JamieWolf> MikeSeth, no i mean the AgaviFileTemplateLayer Class
15:29 < JamieWolf> What i was trying to do: I have one Action which should be rendered with smarty. As default I use the AgaviPhpRenderer. So far so good.
15:31 < JamieWolf> I found this post on the mailing list from Wombert an was trying to reproduce it. Which worked. But then I hit a very small Problem, the defaultExtension. With the PhpRenderer it is .php, with SmartyRenderer its .tpl
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15:33 < JamieWolf> by this time i was to lazy to just simply change the extension so i was looking how to set another extension for the SmartyRenderer. Basicly it works with $layer->setParameter('extension', '.php'). So i thought there will be a way to set another default, by doing this in a config file (output_type.xml)
15:36 < JamieWolf> But there ain't. Even if there is some code which should do this in the AgaviOutputType.class.php.
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15:39 < JamieWolf> So now i was trying to add the missing code and make it possible to set a defaultExtension via the output_types.xml but I got stuck at the point where Layer Class checks if it has a Parameter 'extension'
15:40 < JamieWolf> Although I have done setParameter('extension', 'foo') in the AgaviOutputType.class
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20:24 < _cheerios> sami11 19:05 4.9.07 "Voiko C++ jielellä tehdä 3D MMORPG Pelejä???"
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04:39 < MugeSo> where should I check ExecutionContainer parameter, such as is_slot, to set an Action unavailable unless the parameter is set true ?
04:42 < MugeSo> I think either validation or execute
04:52 < MugeSo> or filter?
05:38 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:49 < MugeSo> huomenta
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06:12 < _cheerios> huomenta
06:15 < v-dogg> MugeSo: GMT +3 :)
06:15 < v-dogg> Tokio -6h 
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07:15 < RossC0> huomenta!
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12:38 < MugeSo> huomenta
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15:38 < _cheerios> vm setup <3
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17:32 < shoan> huomenta
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17:56 < shoan> Wombert: where can I get  apache/php5/mysql binary bundle for osx?
17:57 < Wombert_> I use mysql from mysql.com
17:57 < Wombert_> and php from entropy.ch
17:57 < Wombert_> and the apache 1.3 that ships with os x
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17:58 < JanK_> shoan: a simple to set up solution is XAMPP
17:58 < shoan> Wombert: but isn't xampp still beta?
17:59 < JanK_> http://www.apachefriends.org/en/projects.html
17:59 < Wombert> its not really that hard to install the three seperately
17:59 < Wombert> especially not for a programmer :p
17:59 < Wombert> mysql is just a install wizard, and so is php
17:59 < Wombert> apache is installed already
17:59 < Wombert> it's a piece of cake
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18:20 < shoan> downloading the pieces :p
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18:33 < MugeSo> hi
18:34 < MugeSo> Wombert:how do you think about create_function problem which I posted to agavi-dev list.
18:50 < _cheerios> bioshock2 review (damn that's a lot of work for a simple rantin' review) http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/1394-Zero-Punctuation-BioShock
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21:17 < ttj> "Few people understand the psychology of dealing with a highway traffic cop. Your normal speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop-heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow."
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21:27 < trophaeum> ttj no more fear and loathing for you :)
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23:22 < MrJeep> hi
23:22 < MrJeep> is it me or the comparevalidator is somehow messed up ?
23:23 < MrJeep> http://pastie.caboo.se/94417
23:24 < MrJeep> with required set to false, it does not look if one of the arguments equals the other argument when one is filled
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06:22 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:47 < Whisller> morning :)
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07:17 < RossC0> HUOMENTA!
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09:43 < _cheerios> huomenta
09:44 < digitarald> *help* ... validator questions :)
09:46 < _cheerios> RossC0 is touting all caps today. What's hot? ;)
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09:59 < RossC0> digitarald: shoot
09:59 < RossC0> I've got MTools question for you!
09:59 < RossC0> any eclipse users here?
10:00 < RossC0> what php plugin do you use?
10:00 < digitarald> php ide
10:00 < digitarald> from zend
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10:00 < JanK_> digitarald: is it out?
10:01 < digitarald> JanK_ ... u in agavi ... never saw u :D
10:02 < digitarald> http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/index.php
10:02 < JanK_> thats new, because i am about to start a new project, and its likely to be agavi
10:02 < JanK_> so i need do dig into it
10:03 < digitarald> good news, u'll love it ;)
10:03 < digitarald> RossC0: MT question?
10:03 < digitarald> i don't know when i'll release behaviours :D
10:04 < RossC0> man
10:04 < RossC0> go go go!
10:04 < JanK_> but the start is very hard, because i didn't use propel seperately
10:04 < digitarald> JanK_: u don't need to use propel
10:04 < JanK_> i know
10:04 < digitarald> i use doctrine now for example
10:05 < _cheerios> RossC0, switched back to phpeclipse recently as it works with latest eclipse again. PDT is nice, but it (or something) made eclipse totally unusably slow.
10:05 < JanK_> i have to look at doctrine
10:05 < digitarald> doesnt make it slow here
10:05 < digitarald> not slower than eclipse already is ...
10:05 < _cheerios> though i did change my eclipse memory settings recently, could´ve been that. Eclipse needs it or it just doesn't play nice :)
10:05 < RossC0> ok digitarald - in ie6 the sortables is giving me grief - the cloned item doesn't seem to take into account the scroll height and I aint sure why
10:05 < RossC0> _cheerios: I've always found eclipse slow!
10:06 < _cheerios> -vmargs -Xmx512M
10:06 < digitarald> thats the Java feature ;)
10:06 < _cheerios> made all the difference
10:06 < RossC0> digitarald: any obivious ideas on where to start / what could be ze cause?
10:06 < digitarald> zinking
10:08 < digitarald> but sortables do not clone the height/width styles
10:08 < RossC0> well its injecting it in the wrong place
10:08 < digitarald> maybe your css?
10:08 < RossC0> yup me thinking
10:08 < digitarald> zink about zis
10:09 < RossC0> ok I'll create a sandbox version and remove the cruft
10:09 < digitarald> check styles with firebug
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10:40 < nagaozen> moorning!
10:45 < MugeSo> typhoon is approaching...
10:46 < _cheerios> anyone done active/passive mysql setup w/drbd?
10:58 < Wombert> MugeSo: saw your message to the list
10:58 < Wombert> I'll optimize that next week
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10:58 < Wombert> thanks for spotting that
10:58 < MugeSo> Wombert:yeah!
10:58 < Wombert> the primary goal for 1.0 besides documentation is making the framework faster
10:59 < Wombert> and more memory efficient
10:59 < Wombert> we'll start working on that once 0.11 is stable
10:59 < MugeSo> i'm glad to be for help :)
10:59 < Wombert> you're very welcome to contribute to that effort and help find more spots were we can shave off valuable milliseconds and kilobytes ;)
10:59 < Wombert> cool
10:59 < Wombert> digitarald: GOT YOU!
10:59 < Wombert> finally
10:59 < Wombert> about
11:00 < Wombert> er
11:00 < Wombert> squeezebox
11:00 < Wombert> mhm
11:00 < Wombert> query :P
11:02 < RossC0> Wombert: shoot
11:02 < Wombert> eh?
11:02  * RossC0 a squeezebox hax0r
11:02 < Wombert> SO YOU GOT A COPY AND I DIDN'T?????
11:02 < Wombert> ZOMG
11:02 < Wombert> :>
11:02 < Wombert> no in fact I just stole the source code off the site xD
11:02 < Wombert> and I love it
11:02 < Wombert> since I can easily embed flash movies!
11:02  * Wombert hugs squeezebox
11:02  * Wombert hugs digitarald 
11:03 < Wombert> I changed it to run on mootools trunk tho
11:03 < digitarald> u can embed everything :)
11:03 < Wombert> and I have to say
11:03 < Wombert> I don't like mootools anymore
11:03 < Wombert> and I'll move somewhere else
11:03 < digitarald> :,-(
11:03 < digitarald> the reason?
11:03 < Wombert> simple
11:04 < Wombert> I find it unacceptable that 1.2 is not backwards compatible to 1.1
11:04 < digitarald> it will be
11:04 < digitarald> the compat files will be merged in the trunk
11:04 < Wombert> I really don't have the time nor the energy to wade through code (mine and others) and fix things up
11:04 < RossC0> yeah Wombert
11:04 < Wombert> hmm
11:04  * RossC0 pokes Wombert
11:04 < Wombert> yeah but I need to say I don't like the attitude
11:04 < digitarald> ... i'll do it now, so we do not loose u as user
11:04  * Wombert hugs digitarald 
11:05 < Wombert> no need to!
11:05 < digitarald> :P
11:05 < Wombert> I already migrated the code
11:05 < digitarald> thats good, i'll still merge them
11:05 < Wombert> I mean, I should shut up myself, agavi used to be the same, but then, that wasn't labeled stable or 1.x or anything
11:05 < digitarald> since the new downloader is already done
11:05 < Wombert> I talked about this with the guys over in #mootools and I found the attitude pretty weird :/
11:06 < digitarald> since we provide compatibility files, there are no real breaking changes
11:06 < digitarald> just deprecated methods
11:06 < Wombert> because they essentially said "bad luck, but there's gonna be a BC package in case you really want to"
11:06 < Wombert> yeah okay
11:06 < digitarald> its just not included into the downloader
11:06 < digitarald> but that was planned for release
11:07 < digitarald> now 1.2 will be compatible without extra option in the downloader
11:07 < digitarald> to release it faster and make updating easier
11:07 < Wombert> so if I download via svn now it works?
11:07 < digitarald> and mootools always has a weird attitude ... i learned that breaking changes are good during using agavi ;)
11:08 < digitarald> no, i'll ping u when i merged them in
11:08 < Wombert> as I said, no rush
11:08 < Wombert> yeah no doubt and I wouldn't blame them at all otherwise but it's labeled 1.x :/
11:08 < Wombert> and I'm a little afraid that nobody will really look after the BC package and things, you know what I'm saying
11:09 < digitarald> we also change version numbers after 1.2 :P
11:09 < digitarald> bc's where just for dev version
11:09 < digitarald> to encourage devs removing deprecated features
11:10 < digitarald> anyway, its dev, not 1.2 release, thats why it still has bc's. and the plan is that 1.2 is compatible with 1.11. so, we have to write more unit tests for 1.2, then we'll release
11:10 < digitarald> .
11:12 < Wombert> yah
11:12 < Wombert> but I couldn't use 1.1 for some reason
11:12 < Wombert> I think squeezebox didn't work with it or so
11:14 < digitarald> yes ... thats why sb is also not 1.0 ... and now paste your diff ;)
11:14 < digitarald> plugin forge will use agavi ...
11:14 < digitarald> when i have the time to code this simple app
11:14 < Wombert> <:
11:15 < Wombert> trying teh diff but it seems one of them has windows newlines
11:15 < digitarald> ok, just post your code ... i can see what changed
11:15 < Wombert> got it
11:16 < Wombert> http://pastie.caboo.se/94558
11:22 < digitarald> ok, nothing big
11:25 < _cheerios> reading german->english via babelfish brings new flavour to documents; "With dmsetup create root100 /etc/dmtab.100 is aroused the RAID0-Array to the life."
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12:53 < Whisller> digitarald: are you there?
12:54 < digitarald> yes
12:54 < Whisller> brb
12:58 < Whisller> Is problem with full mootools package on macos x
12:59 < Whisller> It reduce content of page
13:00 < digitarald> ... full package on mac osx ... reduces content of page?
13:00 < Whisller> mhm
13:01 < Whisller> mootools with whole classes
13:01 < Whisller> It change width of content
13:01 < Whisller> To smaller
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13:05 < digitarald> when u add the script tag for mootools your site gets smaller?
13:06 < Whisller> On first refresh.  I'll try without plugins
13:06 < digitarald> and no other script
13:06 < digitarald> no executed code
13:06 < digitarald> only mootools
13:07 < Whisller> wait
13:07 < Whisller> here is another script
13:07 < Whisller> I'll remove it
13:08 < Whisller> Is better but still small :D
13:08 < Whisller> rotfl
13:09 < Whisller> What is gooing on :/
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13:10 < digitarald> thats not mootools, it does not alter your site or css during load
13:10 < digitarald> nothing happens there
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13:11 < Whisller> hmm
13:11 < Whisller> I must tell them about it :/
13:14 < digitarald> so, so u removed it and it works again?
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13:23 < Whisller> what? I remove they script, and page doesn't has normal size but is bigger than earlier
13:24 < shoan_> are there any work arounds to doing $tablename::doSelect($c) ?
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13:43 < Wombert> shoan: like?
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15:53 < RossC0> how'd I do min_errors for string validation
15:56 < RossC0> well more precisely how'd I set up an error string for both min and max errors
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16:02 < kaos|work> <error for="min">error foo</error>
16:02 < kaos|work> <error for="max">error foo</error>
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16:08 < RossC0> ah for
16:08 < RossC0> thanks kaos|work
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16:25 < JanK_> could someone outline the steps to use another / configere an ORM?
16:30 < _cheerios> 1. choose your orm 2. read its documentation 3. ???
16:32 < JanK_> i mean how would i configure agavi's autoload to load the orm, do i need to change any .xml files? (f.e. factories.xml)
16:36 < _cheerios> add any classes you want agavi to us in autoload, rest is orm dependant
16:37 < Whisller> huh 18:38 I should be in home
16:39 < RossC0> JanK_: there are some classes to help with ORM's
16:39 < RossC0> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/database
16:40 < JanK_> thanks RossC0, i am afk now
16:40 < RossC0> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/381
16:40 < RossC0> nw
16:40 < RossC0> laters all
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17:09 < _cheerios> networking x_X
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17:18 < nfq> hey softdrink
17:18 < nfq> opps, wrong room
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17:21 < JamieWolf> Wombert around?
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17:22 < JamieWolf> I was playing with the layouts and i noticed, that there ain't a way to set a default extension for the templates via the output_types.xml.
17:22 < JamieWolf> the code for it exists in the OT.class
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18:07 < Wombert_> JamieWolf: sure there is!
18:08 < Wombert_> <parameter name="extension">.lolz.php</parameter>
18:08 < Wombert_> give that to a layer
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18:13 < JamieWolf> nope Wombert ain't working
18:13 < JamieWolf> at least not here
18:14 < JamieWolf> wait to the layer...
18:14 < Wombert> yup
18:14 < Wombert> :>
18:14 < JamieWolf> umpf... i set it to the renderer ....
18:16 < JamieWolf> okay there it works. I was confused by the code in AgaviOutpuType.class.php line 155
18:18 < JamieWolf> Wombert thanks anyways
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21:54 < Wombert> zomg
21:54 < Wombert> http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=41770
21:54 < Wombert> ...
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22:26 < MikeSeth> haha
22:26 < MikeSeth> fail
22:31 < Wombert> you're up late again MikeSeth 
22:31 < MikeSeth> yes. need to order servers :(
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00:17  * impl pokes Wombert 
00:41 < Wombert> hai
00:41 < Wombert> 1) click teh link above
00:41 < Wombert> 2) read ze text
00:41 < Wombert> 3) come back and say "LOLZ"
00:44 < impl> rofl
00:44 < impl> "iliaa: All you did is make the warning not appear with that commit."
00:44 < impl> sums up PHP so well
00:44 < Wombert> yah
00:44 < Wombert> but
00:44 < Wombert> bed time
00:44 < Wombert> nn
00:44 < impl> Night
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07:56 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:11 < Whisller> morning
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08:16 < RossC0> HUOMENTA!
08:16 < _cheerios> RossC0 in BATTLE mode again :)
08:16 < RossC0> just waking ya'll up!
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09:30 < _cheerios> when a PREROUTING rule is applied on iptables, how can I list it (only input,forward,output chains get listed on iptables -L)?
09:31 < _cheerios> ah, it was part of a table and needed more cmds
09:41  * Wombert pokes trophaeum 
09:41 < Wombert> you there?
10:12 < trophaeum> Wombert, yo
10:12 < trophaeum> sup
10:12 < Wombert> an approach for memcache group storage
10:12 < Wombert> instead of having one map for each level
10:12 < Wombert> you could simply assign numbers to group combinations
10:12 < Wombert> and then to flush a group
10:12 < Wombert> you increase the number
10:13 < Wombert> I mean... you don't really have to delete the data, you know
10:13 < Wombert> it's gonna be purged eventually anyway
10:13 < Wombert> so you'd have like products0
10:13 < Wombert> on a flush() the next number is 1
10:13 < Wombert> and so on
10:13 < trophaeum> Wombert, im planning to implement something like this for xcache this weekend
10:14 < Wombert> the only question is where to store the number thing
10:14 < Wombert> could store it in memcache too, give it high prio/ttl and if it's not there, flush the whole cache or so
10:14 < Wombert> that woud make it pretty failsafe
10:15 < trophaeum> sec, phone
10:25 < trophaeum> ok, bak, now to read what u were saying
10:26 < trophaeum> ok, explain that better, wha?
10:30 < trophaeum> Wombert, *ping*
10:34 < Wombert> eh?
10:34 < Wombert> well I'm not entirely sure how to make it work for nested groups
10:34 < Wombert> but
10:34 < Wombert> lets say you have a group "products", right?
10:34 < trophaeum> ya
10:34 < Wombert> and one for the product it
10:35 < Wombert> then your key is not products_12345
10:35 < Wombert> where 12345 is the id
10:35 < Wombert> instead, you start out with a zero
10:35 < Wombert> and store in products0_12345
10:35 < Wombert> now if you want to "flush" all products
10:35 < Wombert> you simply increase that number
10:35 < Wombert> and store into products1_12345 from now
10:35 < Wombert> memcache will eventually throw all the unused products0 keys out of the cache
10:36 < trophaeum> then products is the current key (0 or 1) that your upto?
10:36 < trophaeum> interesting
10:36 < Wombert> such an approach would take advantage of this specific behavior of memcache - it gets rid of unused value sover time
10:37 < trophaeum> hmmmmm, can we set the products key to never expire though or be a higher priority than the rest and to expire 'last'? (i forget memcache, i use xcache mostly these days)
10:37 < Wombert> yes, that was what I meant earlier
10:38 < trophaeum> i like this concept :)
10:38 < Wombert> actually, it is not much of a big deal to store it in the memache as well
10:38 < Wombert> because if it gets purged
10:38 < Wombert> then all that happens is your stuff is lost
10:38 < Wombert> well of course you'd have to add logic for that
10:38 < trophaeum> yup, i can see where your going
10:38 < Wombert> i.e. if you grab the current number and you don't get something back, flush the entire cache or so
10:39 < Wombert> and right now I really can't see how it would work nicely with a depth of more than two groups
10:39 < Wombert> do you?
10:39 < trophaeum> im looking at this for a site for work that is estimated to get 50k users (social networkingish) and we need something to store data as we are looking at nearly 10 queries per user profile page
10:39 < trophaeum> if you limit to 1k items per array... i still wonder how fast it would be
10:40 < Wombert> can't you just use agavis cachng or so?
10:40 < Wombert> (if you use agavi)
10:40 < trophaeum> this project is really crappy non mvc + smarty + propel
10:40 < trophaeum> i bitched to get mvc and got ignored
10:41 < trophaeum> (at that stage it wouldv been zend... it wouldv been better than what we have now though!)
10:42 < trophaeum> i might try implementing both over the weekend
10:42 < trophaeum> see what happens
10:42 < trophaeum> i wonder if xcache gives out of memory or flushes the soonest to expire when its mem cache runs full
10:42 < Wombert> it should flush old/unused values
10:43 < trophaeum> should doesnt mean does :/
10:43 < Wombert> mkay let me rephrase that
10:43 < Wombert> I have absolutely no idea :p
10:43 < Wombert> better? ;)
10:43 < trophaeum> ;)
10:44 < trophaeum> not documented
10:44 < trophaeum> @#%
10:45 < trophaeum> ok, consider this on my weekend todo list
10:46 < Wombert> When the table is full, subsequent inserts cause older data to be purged in least recently used (LRU) order.
10:46 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memcached
10:46 < trophaeum> im probably spending time over the weekend optimizing a 1.3m hit/mo site too so thisll come into play with that
10:46 < trophaeum> thats memcache, i need xcache info too
10:47 < trophaeum> nothing against memcache but xcache is easier to use on works server
10:47 < trophaeum> so we use that
10:47 < Wombert> xcache is local shared mem
10:47 < Wombert> which means its absolutely useless in a load balanced environment
10:47 < trophaeum> though i have an accelcache class with static methods that has an xcache, memcached, apc, eaccel backend autoselector etc in it
10:47 < trophaeum> haha, im not dealing with load balanced
10:47 < trophaeum> that said, memcached to be optimal, there needs to be a local and remote cache
10:48 < trophaeum> so in an optimal memcache setup you would use xcache for most common and then memcache when it isnt in local xcache
10:48 < trophaeum> why hit the network when you could have some REALLY common data local
10:49 < trophaeum> set sets on both local and remote, get checks local first, remote if it cant find it, local has a low ttl, something along these lines
10:49 < Wombert> HARR!
10:49 < Wombert> dude!
10:49 < Wombert> duuude!
10:49 < trophaeum> lol, dude wheres my car?
10:50 < Wombert> better than just 1,2,3,4,5
10:50 < trophaeum> (im in the process of getn drunk, got a tax cheque for 0$ instead of lotsa$ today)
10:50 < Wombert> make a random number
10:50 < Wombert> and store that number in products_key
10:50 < trophaeum> your right, random is a lot better
10:50 < Wombert> do cler all products
10:50 < Wombert> just remove products_key!
10:50 < Wombert> it's not there anymore, so you generate a new rand number
10:50 < Wombert> tadaa
10:50 < Wombert> :>
10:50 < trophaeum> lol
10:50 < trophaeum> NEED TO TEST XCACHE! :P
10:51 < trophaeum> and i really dont want to change from xcache to apc on works server
10:51 < trophaeum> 2 weeks and cpanel will have apache2... *waits impatiently*
11:13 < trophaeum> Wombert, can i ping u tomorow (well, in about 12-14hrs) about agavi stuff?
11:14 < trophaeum> assuming i dont have a hangover
11:17 < Wombert> mmmmh
11:17 < Wombert> no
11:17 < Wombert> I'm driving home to munich (for good!) in 24 hrs
11:17 < Wombert> I don't think I'll still be up in 12hrs
11:17 < Wombert> but you can try, of course
12:04 < trophaeum> so when u online next that i can bug u? or u getn a good week's worth of sleep? ;) (im drunk now so ignore me if u so desire)
12:19 < Wombert> lawl
12:19 < Wombert> of course you can bug me
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15:15 < MrJeep> quick one, how can I set headers in the view ?
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15:16 < MrJeep> this->getresponse()->setParameter('http_headers'.... ?
15:16 < MrJeep> like content type
15:16 < MrJeep> and attachment file
15:17 < Wombert> $this->getResponse()->setHttpHeader('Content-Type', 'text/foo'); ?
15:26 < MrJeep> thnx once again wombert
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15:48 < _cheerios> i am the world's slowest sysadmin for shure. hours & hours of tinkering!
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16:34 < RossC0> have a good one!
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18:33 < _cheerios> *puuh*
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21:03 < nfq> Hey Wombert, got a chance to chat later?
21:03 < Wombert> nfq: how much later is later? :)
21:03 < Wombert> how about in fifteen minutes or so?
21:03 < nfq> anytime really! Otherwise tomorrow
21:03 < nfq> sure..
21:03 < Wombert> I'll ping you
21:03 < Wombert> impl: read today's logs, from 9:41
21:04 < nfq> cheers
21:04 < Wombert> till 12:19
21:52 < _cheerios> HA! THAT'S NOTHING! THE GUY IN INDIA NEVER SLEEPS! NEVER!
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22:24 < impl> damn, Wombert is a genius :P
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06:17 < JanK_> hi
06:18 < JanK_> there is a difference in the output_types.xml of the sample app and the application stub generated by 'agavi project'
06:21 < JanK_> in one file the path is //layout/layer and in the other //layout/layers/layer
06:22 < JanK_> the same goes for parameters
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06:43 < _cheerios> huomenta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
06:56 < _cheerios> all ze germans sleeping!
07:07 < JanK_> _cheerios: not me :P
07:09 < _cheerios> how do I say "I need the IP for High-Availability purposes to support my business" ?
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08:12 < JanK_> _cheerios: sorry i didn't notice your response. in german? "Ich brauche die IP fuer Hochverfuegbarkeitszwecke in meiner Firma [company] / fuer meinen Beruf [job/profession]"
08:18 < _cheerios> thanks!
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08:28 < _cheerios> "I'm supporting the parent here. The ego's associated to our IT department were astronomic. They actually believed that they can never be fired because they were the only ones who know the 'guts' of our infrastructure. You should have seen them drop a load in their shorts when we had the whole IT infrastructure review by a third party. They pointed out the security risks that hadn't been noticed, the short-falls, the poor implementation (from a
08:28 < _cheerios>  business perspective) and more importantly the fact that 25% time was being wasted by IT on IT 'pet' projects that had no sign-off from management. We fired the whole department except for a temp and hired him full-time because he actually worked efficiently and restocked (out-sourcing during the re-hire process). Now we have a more secure system and an IT group who are actually responsive to the IT needs of the company, rather than pretendedi
08:28 < _cheerios> ng that the IT position was a personal hobby. What a bunch of arrogant, egotistical, slackers we had." <<  :D
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10:48 < _cheerios> what are the [*:*] numbers in iptables rules?
10:50 < _cheerios> ahh, "The numbers in square brackets are packet:byte counters. They are saved by iptables when your system shuts down, and restored when it boots up. Assuming no crashes, you can use this to keep a byte count if your ISP has a monthly traffic quota."
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11:55 < JanK_> does anybody use Doctrine with Agavi?
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12:16 < _cheerios> a little
12:18 < JanK_> _cheerios: do you use this class for doctrine? http://trac.agavi.org/attachment/ticket/381/BaseDoctrineDatabase.class.php
12:19 < _cheerios> i've tried it, yes
12:19 < JanK_> or wait, i should better ask first, if you are willing to help me setting up doctrine for agavi
12:23 < JanK_> _cheerios: do you have the time to help me?
12:23 < _cheerios> it works just as any other agavi db connector
12:24 < JanK_> i am new to agavi so i dont have any experiences
12:24 < JanK_> let me summerize what i did so far
12:25 < JanK_> in settings.xml: use_database set to true
12:26 < _cheerios> database support on in settings.xml, in databases.xml add an entry with <parameter name="dsn">mysql://user:pass@localhost/DB</parameter> and then add that BDM.class.php to autoload.xml, and you should be set.
12:28 < JanK_> this should be fine for a root with no password? mysql://root:@localhost/test
12:28 < _cheerios> always set passwords
12:29 < JanK_> ok, i'll create a user with password
12:35 < JanK_> i always get a Doctrine_Connection_Exception no matter what i set up in the dsn
12:39 < _cheerios> read up your mysql logs for errors
13:02 < JanK_> _cheerios: ok, i found the mistake, agavi didnt connect to the database
13:03 < JanK_> i needed this: $this->getContext()->getDatabaseConnection()->connect();
13:03 < JanK_> shoudnt it connect automatically?
13:03 < _cheerios> what were you using before that?
13:03 < JanK_> just: $myPost = $this->getContext()->getModel('Post');
13:03 < JanK_> i added the connect line above that one and it works
13:04 < _cheerios> loading a model is just loading a model
13:05 < JanK_> sure, but i thought agavi would lazy connect to the db
13:05 < _cheerios> you get a db handle with $db = $this->getContext()->getDatabaseConnection('name');
13:06 < _cheerios> which can then be used like $db->query() or whatever is being used
13:06 < JanK_> yeah, but i want to use doctrine
13:07 < _cheerios> you have your db connection now, so just use doctrine syntax
13:07 < JanK_> i didnt save the db handle
13:08 < JanK_> just: $this->getContext()->getDatabaseConnection()->connect();
13:08 < JanK_> and then: $myPost = $this->getContext()->getModel('Post');
13:09 < JanK_> so my question is, if getModel retrieves the default DB connection isn't it supposed to connect if there is no existing connectin?
13:10 < _cheerios> getModel doesn't do anything relating to the DB unless you make it do it
13:12 < _cheerios> using that BaseDoctrineModel you have Doctrine_Manager instance. You load models thru that to keep the db connection, or if you want to use getModel, then do your own logic there.
13:15 < _cheerios> argh :| nfs borked. mystic errors. :|
13:24 < JanK_> _cheerios: thank you, now i dont use getModel and it works perfectly with just new FooModel();
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14:52 < _cheerios> anyone know dns hosts that have an api to change the records?
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18:18 < Wombert> reeeeee
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00:50 < impl> Heyo Wombert 
00:50 < Wombert> hai
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00:52 < impl> Read the logs yesterday, I like the idea
00:52 < impl> I've been trying to figure out if there's an easy way to do multiple layers of grouping
00:53 < Wombert> and? :)
00:54 < impl> let's see... if we clear products, that would get a new products_key
00:54 < impl> so...
00:54 < impl> Hmm, this is surprisingly hard to think about and describe :P
00:55 < Wombert> there is no way, or is there
00:55 < impl> products_0_key
00:55 < impl> er
00:55 < impl> no
00:55 < impl> it would have to be like parent_0_child_key
00:56 < Wombert> yes
00:56 < Wombert> well
00:56 < Wombert> lets call it "key" for that, mh, random number
00:56 < Wombert> so er
00:56 < Wombert> products_<key>_<product_id>
00:56 < impl> right...
00:56 < Wombert> to flush all products, generate a new key, which is global to all products cached
00:56 < Wombert> now let us throw in a locale
00:57 < Wombert> products_<key>_<product_id>_<locale> is not gonna cut it
00:57 < Wombert> since we cannot remove all locale variants for a specific product (represented by an id)
00:57 < impl> it would have to be locale_<key>_<locale>_products_<key>_<product_id>
00:57 < impl> and we'd have to check both keys
00:58 < Wombert> that key, however, would
00:58 < Wombert> err
00:58  * Wombert blinks
00:58 < impl> Right?
00:58 < Wombert> I have no idea man
00:58 < Wombert> oO
00:58 < impl> okay
00:59 < impl> let's say you have locale_key = 1
00:59 < Wombert> wwwwait
00:59 < Wombert> a locale key would be unique _per_ product!
00:59 < Wombert> right?
00:59 < impl> no... why?
00:59 < Wombert> that's the problem
00:59 < impl> er, maybe I have this backwards then
00:59 < impl> Yeah
00:59 < impl> alright
01:00 < Wombert> because you only want to flush all locale variants for a specific produt
01:00 < Wombert> not all of them
01:00 < impl> well let's reverse the example then
01:00 < Wombert> think of the normal folder structure
01:00 < impl> products_<key>_<product_id>_locale_<key>_<locale>
01:00 < Wombert> products/81236/de/cache.dat, products/81236/en/cache.dat etc
01:00 < impl> yah, okay
01:00 < Wombert> rm -rf products/81236 to flush the cache for that prod
01:01 < Wombert> okay and then we would store that locale key in products_<key>_<product_id>_locale
01:01 < Wombert> right?
01:01 < impl> sure
01:01  * Wombert ponders
01:01 < Wombert> and remove that to flush em all
01:01 < Wombert> brilliant!
01:01  * Wombert hugs impl 
01:01 < impl> :D
01:02 < Wombert> you still need to make multiple calls to the memcache
01:02 < Wombert> one for each group you have so you get the keys
01:02 < impl> Yeah
01:02 < impl> Overhead was my concern initially
01:03 < Wombert> well its far less overhead than storing a map for each group level :D
01:03 < Wombert> I wonder if trophaeum_ already had a shot at implementing this
01:03 < Wombert> btw
01:03 < impl> provided people don't start running out of memory
01:03 < Wombert> do you know if php tells the web server "I'm done" before shutdown funcs are reached?
01:04 < impl> I'm pretty sure you can still print stuff out, so I imagine it's still running in the context of the Web request
01:04 < Wombert> I always thought you couldn't
01:04 < Wombert> hmm
01:04 < Wombert> because
01:04 < Wombert> lets say you use memcache for the session...
01:04 < Wombert> not good
01:04 < Wombert> been there, done that, and it won't work reliably
01:04 < Wombert> so you need to write to a database as well
01:05 < trophaeum_> i hear my name :)
01:05 < trophaeum_> u mean the caching stuff?
01:05 < impl> Really?
01:05 < Wombert> but if you write on each request and the web server waits for that to finish, the benefit is gone
01:05 < Wombert> yes, and it's what the memcache guys recommend as well
01:05 < impl> hmmh, I always figured that would work
01:05  * impl slaps PHP
01:05 < Wombert> well
01:05 < impl> trophaeum_: yeah
01:06 < Wombert> trophaeum_: I think we got it figured out for nested groups
01:06 < Wombert> Since PHP 4.1, the shutdown functions are called as the part of the request so that it's possible to send the output from them.
01:06 < Wombert> beh
01:06 < trophaeum_> Wombert, oh?
01:06 < Wombert> maybe if we send a content length and Conneciton:close or so?
01:07 < Wombert> but apache is still gonna listen for new data
01:07 < Wombert> beeeh
01:08 < impl> o_O
01:18 < trophaeum_> so whats the go with nested groups? is it the same as what u were talking about last night wiht me or ?
01:18 < impl> pretty much, just scroll up a screen or two
01:20 < trophaeum_> so products_<key>_<product_id>_locale_<key>_<locale>... 1st key is mt_rand(), 2nd key is? locale is just en de etc?
01:21 < trophaeum_> and then are we using this to flush all caches at once or that locale only? or are we doing it so we can do either?
01:21 < impl> second key is also random
01:22 < impl> stored in products_<key>_<product_id>_locale
01:22 < trophaeum_> 2nd key is mt_rand but != 1st key? an array in that key that has locale->current rand id?
01:22 < trophaeum_> or do we do <locale> and put a single number in there?
01:22 < impl> Huh? :p
01:22 < impl> The locale key is in products_<key>_<product_key>_locale
01:23 < trophaeum_> locale is replaced by en de etc or is a key named locale with an array stored in it?
01:23 < impl> then you use that key for products_<product_key>_<product_id>_locale_<locale_key>_<locale_name>
01:23 < trophaeum_> ok, so an array
01:23 < impl> for example, products_1_26923_locale_2_en
01:23 < impl> actually
01:24 < impl> Wombert: What's the benefit of using random numbers?
01:24 < impl> then we risk a collision
01:24 < trophaeum_> not that likely, incrementing we're more likely to hit it
01:24 < trophaeum_> what about mt_rand on no number then increment in future
01:24 < trophaeum_> cos we lose that if we run out of memory
01:25 < impl> Oh, you mean if the key disappears and then we regenerate it, we're more likely to hit it
01:25 < trophaeum_> bingo
01:25 < impl> hmm
01:25 < impl> this is true
01:25 < trophaeum_> if we mt_rand though then increment in future, thats safer
01:25 < impl> Yeah
01:26 < trophaeum_> we could always leave a products_<key>_used = true in the cache store incase we're lucky enough that its still left?
01:28 < trophaeum_> wow soy milk in coffee... odd
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01:32 < trophaeum_> stupid rat walking on my keyboard
01:32 < impl> Pet?
01:32 < trophaeum_> yup
01:32 < impl> lawl
01:33 < trophaeum_> 3 of em, 1 on the desk atm though
01:36 < trophaeum_> ok, i think i know how im going to code this up
01:36 < trophaeum_> guess i need to install memcache again though :)
01:36 < trophaeum_> iv just used xcache for so long now instead
01:50 < trophaeum_> so Wombert, you using propel in your new toy youv been going without sleep on?
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01:54 < trophaeum_> goin to see simpsons movie, ill code this up when i get back (for xcache, memcache and maybe a filesystem based version too)
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06:14 < v-dogg> huomenta
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11:09 < _cheerios> huomenta
11:10 < MikeSeth> huomenta
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11:12 < Wombert> hai
11:26 < MikeSeth> Flex is interesting
11:27 < shoan> MikeSeth: what do you need on the serverside to run flex?
11:28 < MikeSeth> shoan: nothing. 
11:28 < MikeSeth> shoan: Flex is basically an ActionScript framework and a mxml => AS compiler that produces .swf files
11:28 < shoan> which documentation/tutorial are you looking at?
11:29 < MikeSeth> shoan: Adobe's LiveDocs and the ``explorer'' example in the SDK
11:29 < MikeSeth> I havent yet looked at data models/bindings but it seems it has high level mechanisms to populate forms and submit requests
11:30 < shoan> ok
11:30 < MikeSeth> I wish I could use XUL, but it's just too poor 
11:34 < shoan> why?
11:36 < _cheerios> does stuff related to Flex still cost $$ (the server part?)
11:37 < _cheerios> i remember looking into it 1-2 years back and it was enterpriseish like $5000 or so
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15:09 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: no
15:09 < MikeSeth> shoan: XUL doesnt have a standard way to populate control elements. The closest it has is RDF data bindings, which are a terrible thing to work with
15:13 < shoan> eeeks
15:20 < MikeSeth> or you could populate them with custom js.. and I'd rather not
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15:49 < CIA-11> dominik * r2069 /branches/0.11/src/storage/AgaviPdoSessionStorage.class.php: 
15:49 < CIA-11> make time formatting configurable
15:49 < CIA-11> closes #569
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16:58 < _cheerios> how do i add case-insensitivity for a routing rule? like "^/blah/i" (where /i is the c-i modifier)?
17:05 < _cheerios> kaos|work, Wombert_, some other regex guru with agavi mindset around?
17:06 < kaos|work> you don't
17:06 < kaos|work> read up in the manpage how to set options for a subpattern
17:06 < kaos|work> that should work
17:07 < Wombert_> (?i)LoLz should do the job
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17:08 < _cheerios> i did (place:x|X) and <default for="place">x</default>, for now
17:08 < Wombert> (place:(?i)x)
17:09 < _cheerios> even better
17:09 < Wombert> the modifier is only valid inside the subpattern, mind you
17:09 < _cheerios> just needed a capital first letter for the Url to work too
17:10 < Wombert> well then you're probably better of with (place:[Xx]yzabc)
17:11 < _cheerios> even even better, one less character
17:11 < _cheerios> thanks guys
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17:38 < _cheerios> o_O evil reconnect magic
17:42 < CIA-11> david * r2070 /branches/0.11/src/storage/ (3 files): 
17:42 < CIA-11> Reverts [2069] and re-implements this functionality in a more generic fashion
17:42 < CIA-11> and for all other implementations where this is theoretically possible. Also
17:42 < CIA-11> fixes a GC bug with pgsql. Closes #569 (again) and #570. Use param "date_format"
17:42 < CIA-11> and a valid date() format string, defaults to "U" for a normal unix timestamp.
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18:15 < _cheerios> Sheep Invade Madrid http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/6986222.stm 
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20:09 < CIA-11> david * r2071 /branches/0.11/CHANGELOG: synced changelog
20:09 < Wombert> I think it's getting time for a release there
20:09 < ttj> RC6?
20:10 < Wombert> yes
20:12 < impl> hmms
20:18 < v-dogg> RC Party!
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23:34 < Wombert> harr
23:34 < Wombert> so
23:35 < Wombert> send a Content-Length
23:35 < Wombert> and
23:35 < Wombert> Connection: Close
23:35 < Wombert> and then a shutdown function will not cause teh browser to wait for output
23:35 < Wombert> which means you can do slow operations there
23:35 < Wombert> like writing sessions to a db as a backup for memcache
23:35 < impl> hah, really? Cool
23:36 < Wombert> (and agavi uses shutdown funcs for, well, shutting down things, and session_write_close() is called in Storage::shutdown)
23:36 < Wombert> yes, very
23:36 < Wombert> so just do
23:36 < impl> this easy to put into WebResponse?
23:36 < Wombert> hehe
23:36 < Wombert> <parameter name="Connection">Close</parameter> in the http_headers param to your output type
23:36 < Wombert> and that's it ;)
23:36 < impl> Oh
23:36 < impl> well that works
23:36 < impl> hah
23:36 < impl> :P
23:37 < Wombert> it's not entirely optimal
23:37 < Wombert> I think we need a list of things to redo for 2.0
23:37 < Wombert> one of them is transports vs flavors
23:37 < Wombert> for both request and response
23:37 < Wombert> oh and I think we should start working on a storage thing for 1.0, impl 
23:37 < Wombert> we could have a storage_manager
23:38 < Wombert> with a default storage
23:38 < Wombert> which context:.getStorage() grabs
23:38 < impl> So we avoid the BC problem there?
23:38 < Wombert> you know, like getDatabaseConnection
23:38 < Wombert> yes, I think that would avoid it
23:38 < Wombert> well
23:38 < impl> although I have a problem with defining a default storage
23:38 < Wombert> the storage would still have session specific stuff in it, not sure if that is good, but...
23:38 < Wombert> well but we need that to maintain bc
23:38 < impl> yeah, that's the thing
23:39 < impl> sessions and caching would both be under the same system
23:39 < Wombert> also, if you don't have <storage_manager> but just <storage> in your factories.xml it implicitly creates a manager with just that one storage for you
23:39 < Wombert> and the session would use the default storage, or so
23:39 < impl> mmm, hacky
23:39 < Wombert> :<
23:39 < Wombert> or we create a new subsystem "cache"
23:39 < Wombert> I want it to be available and usable in userland
23:40 < impl> We can mark getStorage() deprecated
23:40 < Wombert> so you can quickly store and retrieve values to/from a specific storage thing
23:40 < impl> There needs to be storage contexts, though, I think
23:40 < impl> you could have multiple caches and multiple session storages
23:40 < impl> although I don't know why for the latter
23:41 < Wombert> well
23:41 < Wombert> heh
23:41 < Wombert> write to memcache first, then to database
23:41 < Wombert> always write to both
23:41 < Wombert> but read from memcache first and if no data is found, then from database
23:41 < Wombert> or so
23:41 < Wombert> but that's more advanced
23:41 < Wombert> the question if we can make that fit into 1.0 without it being hacky
23:41 < Wombert> but I really want such a functionality; being able to cache actions to memcache would be ace
23:41 < impl> well I had started writing some StorageManager stuff
23:41 < Wombert> especially with the thing we worked out yesterday
23:42 < Wombert> well that's trivial ain't it
23:42 < impl> er, nevermind, it was just caching stuff I was working on
23:42 < impl> it is trivial, would almost be a clone of DatabaseManager :p
23:42 < impl> as I noted on the wiki
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06:33 < _cheerios> huomenta!
06:35 < ttj> Wow, first lecture today.
06:38 < _cheerios> is the lecturer Koivuniemen Herra?
06:40 < _cheerios> kernel hackers group photo @ http://lwn.net/Articles/248891/
06:47 < ttj> Nope. New Venture Development I, Mr. Kelly.
07:05 < _cheerios> Is there a way to apply/inject routing rules? Say, for a subdomain, I have a route name="forum" that consists of 30 routes. Now I want that same route to work under the name of "bbs" (but only for this subdomain, not affecting the root domain), without manually tinkering with routing.xml. How do I accomplish this? Is there a way to populate, and load routing.xml for any number of subdomains? Something like <route name="app" pattern="^(subdomain
07:05 < _cheerios> :[a-zA-Z0-9_]+).service.com" module="Domain" action="Load"> (include subdomain's routing settings from another cached .xml) </route>
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07:22 < RossC0> huomenta!
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10:32 < RossC0> heh all anybody do rss routes that require authenication?
10:32 < RossC0> if so how best to tackle that?
10:38 < Wombert> well
10:38 < Wombert> usually, you have two options
10:38 < Wombert> a) http auth
10:38 < Wombert> b) a hash in the url
10:39 < Wombert> you can implement a) in User::startup(), I guess
10:44 < RossC0> hmm ok
10:44  * RossC0 looks up http auth
10:45 < _cheerios> Wombert, any insight into my subdomain routing setup problem?
10:46 < Wombert> ?
10:47 < _cheerios> in ze logs
10:50 < RossC0> _cheerios: <xinclude ?
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10:52 < shoan> whats the latest on the agavi.org website?
10:55 < _cheerios> can the xinclude get the matched subdomain from the routing rule?
11:01 < _cheerios> <route name="app" pattern="^(userdomain:[^.]+).myservice.com$"><xi:include src="/routes/{how-to-get-userdomain-variable-here?}.xml" /> </route>
11:02 < RossC0> ah ok
11:02 < RossC0> Wombert / kaos|work can you match sudomains in routing ?
11:02 < Wombert> yes, sure
11:03 < Wombert> <route pattern="^(username:[^.]+).myservice.com$" source="_SERVER[HTTP_HOST]" callback="UserSubdomainCallback" />
11:03 < Wombert> the callback in onMatched could verify if the subdomain existed
11:04 < Wombert> also you could give the route a name and an onGenerate
11:05 < Wombert> which then modifies the options ("authority") so the subdomain is generated correctly
11:09 < shoan> anybody using doctrine?
11:10 < _cheerios> mmm, can the xi:include be passed a variable at all then? no?
11:10 < _cheerios> shoan, a little
11:11 < shoan> _cheerios: how do you use doctrine with an existing database? Do all the classes need to be hand coded or is there a build process?
11:11 < _cheerios> another problem arises with the gen() immediately there, unless name="app" is removed, for routes to work same. oh the humanity :|
11:11 < _cheerios> doctrine docs have a portion on importing a db
11:20 < MikeSeth> Haha, looks like I've sold Doctrine to everyone here :D
11:21 < MikeSeth> RossC0: I do what you're looking for with HTTP auth. 
11:24 < RossC0> MikeSeth: cool
11:24 < RossC0> got any example code
11:24 < RossC0> MikeSeth - I think it was my doctrine class then you're shouting about it that sold it!
11:25  * RossC0 steals some credit :)
11:34 < shoan> MikeSeth: I can't import from an existing database. let me pastebin the code
11:34 < shoan> MikeSeth: http://pastebin.com/m3711d8c4
11:35 < shoan> I don't get an error
11:35 < shoan> but neither do I get dir called myrecords
11:42 < _cheerios> there's always errors.
11:42 < RossC0> shoan: might be better to ask on #doctrine
11:42 < shoan> ok
11:43 < RossC0> might be quicker ;)
11:44 < Wombert> _cheerios: xincludes are resolved at compile time!?
11:45 < Wombert> _cheerios: overwrite gen() to append "app" when necessary (whatever the rules for that may be)
11:45 < Wombert> or set it to imply="true" so it's always generated
11:45 < _cheerios> that sucks for xi:include :(
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11:46 < _cheerios> any other ideas to load routing rules dynamically based on the subdomain?
11:53 < Wombert> plenty
11:53 < Wombert> one app per subdomain
11:53 < Wombert> one context per subdomain
11:53 < Wombert> overwrite the route loading
11:53 < Wombert> etc
11:53 < Wombert> but it's nothing trivial
11:59 < _cheerios> initialize() in routing; $cfg = AgaviConfig::get("core.config_dir") . "/routing.xml"; being able to specify the routing.xml could be a quick hack. Instead load /(customRouting).xml
12:01 < _cheerios> if(subdomain){AgaviConfig::set("core.use_custom_route",'route/666'); }. i'll look into it when i implement it.
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12:13 < Wombert> _cheerios: yup
12:13 < Wombert> should I move the config loading to a dedicated funciton for you?
12:13 < Wombert> so you only have to overwrite that one
12:13 < Wombert> 'cause I assume you want to overwrite webrouting, and that's gonna be difficult this way ;)
12:16 < _cheerios> I'm not going to implement it right now, we can let it brew a while longer. Basically I want to serve the same application, say our sample app would be Mac OS X. And each user would have their subdomain. And the users are bastards and each want their own routes for their Mac experience. That's what I'm after.
12:16 < _cheerios> I always tend to put too much of my hacks into index.php or something clumsy like that :looks down:
12:16 < Wombert> in fact, that would be a windows experience, since on a mac, the routes would be smart defaults you'd never ever need to change xD
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12:17 < _cheerios> I forgot; "My mouse only has 2 buttons, WTF!" ~~~Mac God Shoots Arrow Of Conversion At User ~~~ "Ah, now I get it, I don't need more than this! This is the best!" ;)
12:17 < _cheerios> oops, 1 button, ofc
12:18 < Wombert> actually, mac mice had four buttons for years ;)
12:20 < _cheerios> So, overall, just something small when hosting the same shit for thousands of people, where each one is a unique snowflake that wants things their way.
12:21 < Wombert> yes
12:21 < Wombert> even though you might want to consider just doing this "by hand"
12:21 < Wombert> because you could also read those routes from a database or so
12:21 < Wombert> but that would mean you cannot have the subdomain stuff in the routing as well
12:22 < _cheerios> The rules are likely read from a db, then saved to an xml, so there's little overhead in doing this.
12:22 < Wombert> look at a compiled routing.xml to see what I mean
12:24 < _cheerios> 6500 lines of eye hurt :p
12:32 < MikeSeth> RossC0: indeed it is your doctrine class. I've just been yelling in everyone's ears to use it :)
12:32 < MikeSeth> RossC0: the HTTP auth is basically this: http://foo:bar@fish/cat
12:33 < MikeSeth> lemme fetch you some code
12:39 < Wombert> not necessarily
12:39 < Wombert> it might be digest auth as well
12:39 < Wombert> and then you cannot pass the credentials via the URL
12:39 < MikeSeth> Wombert: yeah
12:39 < Wombert> but
12:39 < MikeSeth> here's a simple hack I wrote to ride along the normal login procedure
12:39 < MikeSeth> http://pastebin.ca/690123
12:39 < Wombert> I think digest is difficult to do with php
12:41 < MikeSeth> yeah, the obvious problem with plain auth is that it's too easy to sniff out the passwords, but its not really a big threat, and either way you should never do things like this on a public website
12:52 < RossC0> k thanks guys :D
12:53 < RossC0> I'll have a butchers and see if it'll fit :D
13:00 < Wombert> you can of course also just mark it isSecure()
13:00 < Wombert> then in your login action
13:00 < Wombert> you send the headers to show that browser dialog
13:01 < Wombert> the downside is that this still doesn't mean users can just "log in like that" without this dialog
13:04 < MikeSeth> Wombert: well, I specifically wanted only certain accounts to be able to log in like that, and only with certain routes.
13:04 < MikeSeth> Wombert: the bot's credentials wouldn't work if the bot attempted usual login procedure; and normal user's credentials wouldn't work for bot-only routes as well
13:08 < Wombert> one way to do it, for instance, would be a route that matches if _SERVER[PHP_AUTH_USER] has a value
13:08 < Wombert> and in the callback, the login is performed
13:08 < Wombert> ;)
13:09 < Wombert> and that route could be put as a child to /rss$
13:09 < Wombert> ;)
13:09 < Wombert> oooh man
13:09  * Wombert hugs Agavi
13:10 < Wombert> or, actually, it could be done in a callback to /rss$
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13:27 < MikeSeth> Wombert: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_application_frameworks
13:27 < MikeSeth> rape time :)
13:30 < Wombert> symfony and mvc...
13:30 < Wombert> of course :p
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13:31 < MikeSeth> Wombert: so should I?
13:31 < Wombert> no :p
13:32 < MikeSeth> yes sir :D
13:32 < Wombert> I don't like these comparisons
13:32 < Wombert> they are in no way objective
13:32 < Wombert> template framework... what the hell is that?
13:32 < Wombert> can we say "yes" even though we don't ship with a tpl engine?
13:32 < Wombert> etc etc
13:32 < MikeSeth> Wombert: that's one way to see it. Another way to see it is that they're listed in ascending alphabetical order :D
13:32 < Wombert> haha
13:33 < MikeSeth> Wombert: we can say "choose your own" :)
13:33 < Wombert> or ORM
13:33 < Wombert> we ship with support for Propel
13:33 < Wombert> does that mean "yes"?
13:34 < MikeSeth> no, we can still say "choose your own"
13:34 < MikeSeth> :D
13:34 < MikeSeth> it would look like this
13:34 < MikeSeth> YES - YES - HELL YES - CHOOSE YOUR OWN - CHOOSE YOUR OWN - YES - YES - YES
13:34 < MikeSeth> :D
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13:39 < Wombert> xD
13:39 < Wombert> maybe "full support" instead of "yes"
13:39 < Wombert> but that means we also need a wikipedia article about agavi etc
13:39 < MikeSeth> actually
13:39 < MikeSeth> "true support" would look nicer
13:39 < MikeSeth> ahaha
13:40 < Wombert> anyway, I need to buy furniture for teh new office
13:40 < MikeSeth> PICS OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN
13:40 < Wombert> will do
13:40 < Wombert> need to find cheap herman miller aerons or mirras
13:40 < MikeSeth> donno what that is
13:40 < Wombert> use teh googol!
13:41 < Wombert> laters =>
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14:10 < MikeSeth> hahahaha
14:10 < MikeSeth> "kakiphp"
14:10 < MikeSeth> ahahaha
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15:08 < kaos|work> Did you mean: cakephp  
15:08 < kaos|work> i love google :P
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15:13 < MrJeep> agavi's not listed there : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_application_frameworks
15:13 < MrJeep> :s
15:13 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: hahaha you've been reading dzone too?
15:14 < MikeSeth> 132957 <Wombert> I don't like these comparisons
15:14 < MikeSeth> 133000 <Wombert> they are in no way objective
15:14 < MikeSeth> 133008 <Wombert> template framework... what the hell is that?
15:14 < MikeSeth> 133017 <Wombert> can we say "yes" even though we don't ship with a tpl engine?
15:14 < MikeSeth> 133019 <Wombert> etc etc
15:14 < MikeSeth> 133045 <MikeSeth> Wombert: that's one way to see it. Another way to see it is that they're listed in ascending
15:14 < MikeSeth>                   alphabetical order :D
15:14 < MrJeep> hehe, that was on slashdot
15:18 < MrJeep> sounds like a great framework : http://www.interjinn.com/about/index.phtml
15:18 < MrJeep> (wink wink)
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15:19 < v-dogg> yet another php framework
15:20 < MrJeep> lol about fusebox
15:21 < MrJeep> <cfif right(cgi.script_name, Len("index.cfm")) NEQ "index.cfm" AND right(cgi.script_name, 3) NEQ "cfc">
15:21 < MrJeep>     <cflocation url="index.cfm" addtoken="no">
15:21 < MrJeep> </cfif>
15:21 < MrJeep> cfif lol!
15:21 < MikeSeth> *suicide*
15:21 < MrJeep> in french hehe
15:21 < MrJeep> cfif -> c fif
15:21 < MrJeep> which means "it's gay"
15:21 < MrJeep> c = c'est = it's
15:21 < MrJeep> fif = homosexual 
15:21 < MikeSeth> you dont need to be french to see that
15:21 < MrJeep> hehehe
15:22 < RossC0> heh I've used fusebox
15:22 < RossC0> and yes it was gay
15:22 < MrJeep> hehe
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17:53 < Wombert> yay
17:53 < Wombert> http://blogs.open.collab.net/svn/2007/09/what-subversion.html
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02:05 < impl> "One promising framework for PHP appeared to be Mojavi, but it later stalled and was forked into Agavi. Agavi tends to try to be way too flexible for its own good (unlike RoR), and in the end is just not simple to use. There's just too much stuff in there you'll never use in a real world project, which complicates code understanding and development." -suv4x4, Slashdot
02:05 < impl> :(
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05:48 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:45 < _cheerios> HUOMENTA!
06:47 < _cheerios> oi, slashdot comments dissin' agavi?
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07:20 < codecop> how to specify filters.xml for module action? /app/modules/Foo/config/filters.xml?
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08:10 < codecop> is it possible load some filter just for one Action or subaction?
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08:14 < RossC0> Huomenta!
08:15 < Wombert> codecop: nope
08:15 < Wombert> but you could of course write the filters so they only execute specific actions
08:15 < codecop> ok
08:16 < Wombert> or only if the actions or the container have a specific parameter set etc
08:16 < codecop> mmm
08:17 < codecop> thanx
08:54 < RossC0> how'd I find out the output type from the context?
09:00 < RossC0> Wombert: ?
09:01 < RossC0> help!
09:01 < RossC0> :D
09:01 < Wombert> the output type is set on an execution container!
09:01 < Wombert> it's not global
09:02 < RossC0> hmm wanting to see if I'm after RSS in the base:user startup
09:02 < Wombert> then check if that route matched
09:02 < RossC0> roger
09:02 < Wombert> mind you, there's no guarantee at that stage that the view that is about to be run can serve an RSS variant
09:02 < Wombert> but I guess you realize that ;)
09:03 < RossC0> sure
09:03  * Wombert hugs RossC0 
09:03 < RossC0> also in startup my matched routes is null :eek
09:03 < Wombert> lawl
09:03 < Wombert> yeah of course :p
09:04 < Wombert> stupid me
09:04 < RossC0> hehe
09:04 < RossC0> ok - login is going to need an executeRSS
09:04 < Wombert> or that
09:04 < Wombert> but
09:04 < Wombert> well
09:04 < Wombert> hm
09:04 < Wombert> well
09:04 < Wombert> yes
09:04 < Wombert> and then
09:05 < Wombert> you forward to the originally requested module/action
09:05 < RossC0> yup ;)
09:05 < Wombert> instead of redirecting to it
09:05 < Wombert> that would solve it
09:05 < Wombert> yeah
09:05 < RossC0> rock on!
09:05 < RossC0> ok testing!
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09:46 < Wombert_> http://engineyard.com/
09:46 < Wombert_> interesting
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09:47 < v-dogg> you seeing a business opportunity there?-)
09:48 < v-dogg> agavidock.com
09:48 < _cheerios> High ratio of staff to customers! = we have very few customers :p
09:48 < v-dogg> :)
09:50 < _cheerios> they have insane pricing
09:51 < _cheerios> # Additional RAM: $0.25/MB/month; usually you add 1-2G, that's 250e/GB/mo. I can see they had $$ eyes and a big fucking grin writing down the pricing.
09:54 < _cheerios> it's a good idea still. if you want something out, but don't have any knowledge of linux,networking,scalability etc., beyond developing your idea, it can/might be worth it until you do.
09:54 < _cheerios> given your app is not a web2.0 app depending on google adsense...
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11:03 < Wombert> _cheerios: exactly
11:03 < Wombert> it's a full service, no worries package
11:03 < Wombert> they even do the capistrano recipes for deployment for you
11:04 < Wombert> pretty cool if you ask me
11:05 < Wombert> back later
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12:04 < MikeSeth> hmmmmm
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12:09 < foutrelis> :)
12:10 < MikeSeth> oh
12:10 < MikeSeth> sup
12:10 < foutrelis> hey MikeSeth :)
12:11 < foutrelis> I saw ya on #php and remembered agavi :P
12:11 < MikeSeth> duh ;)
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12:14 < v-dogg> question remains what were you doing on #php
12:15 < v-dogg> where is .gr?
12:15 < v-dogg> ah, Greece
12:17 < foutrelis> ^.^
12:18 < v-dogg> oh, where are my manners. Welcome to Agavi
12:20 < foutrelis> Thank you v-dogg. It's nice to be here although I'm too noob to understand anything. :0
12:20 < foutrelis> :)
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12:23 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: I flame noobs.
12:23 < MikeSeth> "Reason 394 not to use mail()"
12:26 < _cheerios> what's that?
12:28 < MikeSeth> "Just fucking don't"
12:32 < _cheerios> mail is fine :)
12:32  * foutrelis does pear install --alldeps agavi/agavi :)
12:33 < v-dogg> what's the default severity for (xml defined) validators?
12:41 < codecop> how in custom filter access submitet parameters $this->getParameter('data'); doesnt work?
12:45 < codecop> $container->getRequestData()->getParameter('data') got it
12:49 < _cheerios> hmm, latest stuff on delicious mainpage is blog entry from a year back (bittorrent over ssh). guess that means bittorrent is becoming more and more popular.
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13:15 < kaos|work> v-dogg: error
13:16 < v-dogg> thanks
13:29 < CIA-11> dominik * r2072 /branches/0.11/src/date/AgaviCalendar.class.php: allow a date object to be used as time parameter to fieldDifference
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13:42 < Wombert> links for you (2)
13:42  * Wombert hugs shoan_ 
13:43  * shoan_ kicks Wombert for not leaving any for him
13:43 < shoan_> boo
13:43 < Wombert> welcome to Agavi, foutrelis 
13:43 < Wombert> if you have questions, just ask right away
13:44 < Wombert> shoan_: I have literally no time at all to surf the web these days ;)
13:44 < shoan_> heh
13:44 < shoan_> atleast get the agavi.org website fixed
13:44 < Wombert> what's wrong with it
13:45 < v-dogg> how am I supposed to create agavicalendar instances when not using i18n?
13:45 < Wombert> ah
13:45 < shoan_> just that its not finished :p
13:45 < Wombert> the friggen ohloh badge again
13:45 < shoan_> Where's the Website?
13:45 < shoan_> It is, unfortunately, still not quite there yet. We hope to have it up in time for the final 0.11 release.
13:45 < Wombert> :p
13:45 < Wombert> see!
13:46 < Wombert> no final 0.11 yet ;)
13:46 < v-dogg> and now we know why :)
13:46 < v-dogg> but calendars, now
13:46 < v-dogg> is there a factory somewhere?
13:47 < v-dogg> or do I have to resort to the "new" keyword
13:47 < v-dogg> feels too simple :)
13:47 < foutrelis> Wombert: Thanks. :)
13:51 < RossC0> HTTP AUTH in Agavi was a doddle :D
13:56 < v-dogg> hmm.. somebody please tell me how to use agavicalendar
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14:08 < kaos|work> v-dogg: what do you need to know ? :)
14:08 < kaos|work> $tm->createCalendar()
14:08 < kaos|work> is your friend
14:09 < RossC0> wowzers
14:10 < kaos|work> createCalendar takes either a locale, a timezone, a php datetime, an int (unix time), or an string(calendar name ... defaults to gregorian) as param
14:11 < kaos|work> and returns a AgaviCalendar object (defaulting to the current time, if you didn't supply some of the time setting params)
14:11 < kaos|work> i'm probably gonna rework that a little tho
14:11 < kaos|work> because it's kind of bloated and "unflexible" that way
14:12 < kaos|work> (and i tought just few minutes ago, if this method should be in the translation manager at all ...)
14:12 < v-dogg> thanks kaos|work, $tm->createCalendar() is what I needed to know (I just enabled i18n even though I don't use translation)
14:12 < kaos|work> you need to enable i18n for the date stuff
14:13 < kaos|work> since it works with locales and stuff for formatting
14:13 < v-dogg> but another thing I keep forgetting - how to use different date formats with _d()
14:13 < v-dogg> i.e. short date, long date and so on
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14:14 < kaos|work> you define a different translation domain for each time format oyou want to use
14:14 < v-dogg> ah, so was it
14:14 < v-dogg> thanks again
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14:57 < _cheerios> craigslist funny http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=2497
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15:03 < _cheerios> how have you guys tied memcached to projects?
15:14 < _cheerios> should __call() be used for objects to check for memcached keys?
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17:25 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, have you used caching with doctrine? How do you invalidate caches when doing updates/deletes?
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18:31 < _cheerios> Britney got "Paunch" (the media is being nice :)) http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00159/bigbrit_159114t.jpg
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23:38  * Wombert pokes impl 
23:38 < Wombert> 22:24 < impl> damn, Wombert is a genius :P
23:38 < Wombert> mind you, I got that inspiration for that approach from somewhere else, I believe it was the memcached FAQ
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06:09 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:47 < v-dogg> any calendar experts around?
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07:01 < v-dogg> I have an interval of two timestamps I need to split if it spreads between more than one day
07:03 < v-dogg> e.g. if the two timestamps are 2007-01-01 12:00:00 and 2007-01-02 08:00:00 I need to have:
07:03 < v-dogg> 2007-01-01: 12 hours
07:03 < v-dogg> 2007-01-02: 8 hours
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07:24 < RossC0> HUOMENTA!
07:24  * RossC0 has a cold :-/
07:24 < RossC0>  err queue sympathy ...
07:27 < RossC0> ZOMG http://blog.ardes.com/articles/2007/09/05/resources-controller-update http://blog.jayfields.com/2007/03/rails-presenter-pattern.html http://nutrun.com/weblog/rails-view-adapter/
07:28 < RossC0> its almost as if they need 2 controllers an Action controller and a View controller - now wouldn't that be cool
07:28 < RossC0> WAIT A MINUTE! AGAVI already has that!
07:34 < v-dogg> :)
07:34 < v-dogg> huomenta RossC0 
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08:41 < v-dogg> how can I roll AgaviCalendar to next (or previous) midnight?
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10:24 < digitarald> 15 people ... where is everybody?
10:27 < RossC0> at work :D
10:29 < digitarald> work? I heard about that one before ... i'll google it
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10:31 < _cheerios> yo, huomenta!
10:33 < _cheerios> anyone been using doctrine to cache their sql? how is cache invalidation done after update/inserts, so the select is fresh? RossC0, MikeSeth ?
10:34 < digitarald> i only read that it caches the generated queries
10:34 < RossC0> _cheerios: #doctrine ;)
10:34 < RossC0> yup
10:35 < digitarald> not that they can help very often :(
10:35 < RossC0> wait it caches results to
10:35 < RossC0> doesn't it
10:35  * RossC0 hasn't used it
10:36 < digitarald> ok, it stores records
10:37 < digitarald> http://www.phpdoctrine.net/doctrine/manual/new/?one-page=1#caching:caching-queries
10:37 < digitarald> how would doctrine check for invalidation?
10:39 < _cheerios> beats me. im questioning wether i need to do it, or if it's done for me.
10:41 < RossC0> I'd hope its automatically done via a caching style event listener
10:41 < RossC0> but who knows
10:41  * RossC0 nudges _cheerios - go find out!
10:43 < _cheerios> :/ i shot the question there. now to make some pie.
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10:49 < _cheerios> doctrine has some pre/post hooks, but there's no straight exampled related to caching. plus as there can be so many queries related to the table/PK/whatever *shrug*. no idea what doctrine uses for cache keys either, to intervene manually.
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11:19 < _cheerios> digitarald, what did you say?
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13:03 < _cheerios> i feel so tired :yawn:
13:21 < v-dogg> is there a way to validate multiple <input type="checkbox" name="rows[]" value="_integer" /> ?
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17:42 < MrJeep> i'm wondering, how can I change the current language
17:42 < MrJeep> i mean something like
17:42 < MrJeep> $tm->setLanguage('fr-CA')
17:42 < MrJeep> if I have both en_CA and fr_CA
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05:19 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:43 < _cheerios> huomenta
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07:20 < RossC0> Huomenta!
07:26 < _cheerios> yo
07:30 < RossC0> whats the news?
07:31 < _cheerios> not much. been shopping at ikea.
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08:24 < v-dogg> hmm.. what am I doing wrong with OR validator
08:25 < v-dogg> I want to make sure at least one of two fields are non-empty
08:27 < RossC0> pastie
08:29 < v-dogg> I had two validators with the same name
08:29 < RossC0> ah ok
08:29 < v-dogg> but now I have another problem: isset validator doesn't seem to work with my array
08:31 < v-dogg> http://pastebin.ca/695354
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08:44 < v-dogg> argh...
08:44 < v-dogg> nevermind
08:44 < v-dogg> and please don't look at my paste :)
09:02 < _cheerios> DO NOT LOOK AT THE PASTE
09:12 < RossC0> ok I won't
09:12 < RossC0> sometimes its harder not doing something...
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13:31 < _cheerios> i haven't bookmarked anything on delicious for a week. should i call a doctor, RossC0 ?
13:51 < RossC0> zomg _cheerios you're ill
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16:27 < Fastly> i am considering the following routing problem
16:28 < Fastly> my website includes a static location directory and i want to ensure the url reflects what part of the directory that is being viewed
16:29 < Fastly> e.g. /directory/us would display a list of states in the us, whereas /directory/gb would display cities in the united kingdom
16:30 < v-dogg> so far I don't see the problem :)
16:30 < v-dogg> please go on
16:31 < Fastly> then i'd have /directory/us/ca/berkeley to hit a us city
16:31 < Fastly> but /directory/gb/london for a uk
16:32 < Fastly> i'd like to create separate actions to display list of countries, states and cites 
16:32 < Fastly> and ensure the correct one is called from the route
16:34 < Fastly> could this be a job for routing callbacks?
16:34 < Fastly> currently the countries that require states are AU,CA and US
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16:35 < Fastly> may i paste my current route?
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16:36 < Fastly> actually... http://pastebin.ca/695938
16:36 < kaos|work> v-dogg: did you manage to solve all the problems you had yesterday/today ?
16:37 < kaos|work> Fastly: its (city: ...)
16:37 < kaos|work> not {city: ...}
16:37 < kaos|work> that {} syntax is only needed when you have a prefix or postfix which should not occur in the matched part
16:38 < kaos|work> and then the syntax would be (prefix{citiy:...}postfix)
16:38 < Fastly> ahh thanks
16:39 < kaos|work> which will come handy if you have optional parts in the route
16:39 < kaos|work> like foo(/{bar})?(/{baz})?
16:41 < kaos|work> then $ro->gen('route', array()); would generate 'foo'
16:41 < kaos|work> and $ro->gen('route', array('bar' => 'yay')); would gen 'foo/yay';
16:41 < kaos|work> (as you can see agavi automatically adds the pre/postfix if the parameter is present)
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16:50 < v-dogg> kaos|work: hmm.. lemme think...
16:51 < v-dogg> I think validating "indexless" arrays is the only thing still not clear
16:51 < v-dogg> e.g. multiple <input name="foo[]" type="checkbox" ..> 
16:53 < kaos|work> use foo as base
16:53 < kaos|work> and leave the argument empty
16:54 < v-dogg> I thought I tried that. oh well, must have typo'd something
16:59 < kaos|work> we need to discuss that entire validation config thing some day anyways
16:59 < kaos|work> since right now, it rather sucks tbh
16:59 < kaos|work> especially the array handling
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19:13 < Fastly> what's wrong with this please: <route name=".country" pattern="^/(iso_id:[a-z]{2})" action="Country">	
19:13 < Fastly> <route name=".country" pattern="^/(iso_id:[a-z]+)" action="Country">	works
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19:14 < MrJeep> hi
19:14 < Fastly> but i want to ensure only two letters, the country code, are matched
19:14 < MrJeep> I was wondering how I can changhe the language to another one on the fly
19:14 < MrJeep> let's say I have fr_CA and en_CA
19:14 < MrJeep> how can I change to en_CA 
19:20 < v-dogg> MrJeep: $tm->setLocale('en_CA');
19:20 < v-dogg> me thinks
19:21 < MrJeep> and this will be saved in the session ?
19:21 < v-dogg> Fastly: iso_id:[a-z]{2}
19:21 < v-dogg> MrJeep: locale isn't saved automatically unless you save it
19:22 < MrJeep> and I should implement this in.... a filter ?
19:22 < v-dogg> see sample app's LanguageRoutingCallback
19:22 < Fastly> <route name=".country" pattern="^/(iso_id:[a-z]{2})" action="Country">
19:22 < Fastly> that doesn't work for some reason...
19:22 < v-dogg> MrJeep: it shows you one way of doing it
19:22 < MrJeep> ok
19:22 < MrJeep> thnx
19:23 < v-dogg> Fastly: how doesn't it work?
19:25 < Fastly> [a-z]+ routes to the Country action, but [a-z]{2} doesn't
19:26 < Fastly> the url is /directory/us
19:26 < Fastly> i'm using nested routes... the above route is within <route name="directory" pattern="^/directory" module="Directory" action="Index">
19:27 < Fastly> with {2} /directory/us routes to the Index action 
19:28 < v-dogg> you shouldn't use patterns without $ in the end
19:28 < v-dogg> that route will match /directoryfoobar
19:29 < v-dogg> make an inner <route name=".index" pattern="^/$" action="Index" />
19:29 < v-dogg> and remove action="" from the parent route
19:30 < v-dogg> {2} is used here: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/samples/app/config/routing.xml
19:31 < v-dogg> so I don't understand why it doesn't work for you
19:31 < v-dogg> gotta hit the sack. hope you get it sorted
19:31 < v-dogg> night
19:31 < Fastly> thanks 
19:31 < Fastly> sleep well
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21:04 < Fastly> hey wombert, how are you?
21:04 < Wombert> hi
21:04 < Wombert> just came home
21:05 < Fastly> late... work or play?
21:06 < Fastly> i'm fighting with some routing at the moment... 
21:09 < Fastly> 			<route name="directory" pattern="^/directory" module="Directory" action="Index">
21:09 < Fastly> 				<routes>
21:09 < Fastly> 					<route name=".country" pattern="^/(iso_id:[a-z]+)$" action="Country">
21:09 < Fastly> this works at the moment... e.g. /directory/us routes to Directory module, Country action
21:10 < impl> <route name="directory" pattern="^/directory" module="Directory">
21:10 < impl> <routes>
21:10 < impl> <route name=".index" pattern="^$" action="Index" />
21:10 < impl> ...
21:11 < impl> Did I mindread? :>
21:12 < Fastly> no... seems sensible..
21:12 < Fastly> works
21:12 < Fastly> but if i replace <route name=".country" pattern="^/(iso_id:[a-z]+)$" action="Coun
21:13 < Fastly> sorry.... + with {2}
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21:13 < Fastly> then it doesn't route to the country action
21:13 < impl> hmm
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21:15 < Wombert> work
21:16 < Fastly> ok
21:17 < Fastly> http://pastebin.ca/696343
21:18 < Fastly> this is where i'm at right now
21:18 < Fastly> actually there is more... but i need to iron out some issues before increasing the complexity
21:20 < Fastly> for some reason i cannot get to the directory.country route
21:20 < Fastly> with /directory/us
21:20 < Fastly> but i can if i have [a-z
21:20 < Fastly> sorry... [a-z]+, not [a-z]{2}
21:25 < Fastly> what would be the best way of creating a route for the following two example:
21:26 < Fastly> ... /directory/country/state/city/location
21:26 < Fastly> ... /directory/country/city/location
21:26 < Fastly> the first route is only available where country=(us|au|ca)
21:32 < Wombert> that doesn't work of course
21:32 < Wombert> since all patterns are anchored at the end
21:32 < Wombert> so they never match, and the children are never reached
21:50 < Fastly> http://pastebin.ca/696409
21:51 < Wombert> nope :)
21:51 < Wombert> that is wrong, too
21:54 < Fastly> i'd like /directory and /directory/ to go to Directory,Index
21:54 < Wombert> http://pastebin.ca/696415
21:56 < Fastly> interesting ;-)
21:57 < Fastly> for some reason though... <route name=".country" pattern="^/(iso_id:[a-z]{2})"> doesn't work
21:57 < Fastly> however <route name=".country" pattern="^/(iso_id:[a-z]+)"> routes to Country
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21:59 < Fastly> i understand what you are trying to say now 
21:59 < Fastly> re the anchor
22:01 < Fastly> http://pastebin.ca/696431
22:02 < Fastly> the above works, however i want to ensure the directory.country.view route is only matches for 2 character country codes
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22:07 < Wombert> if you want to use curly braces in your regular expression then the parameter block must be written in extended syntax (the one you'd use to specify a prefix and/or postfix)
22:07 < Wombert> ({iso_id:[a-z]{2}})
22:09 < Fastly> that works! 
22:09 < Fastly> thanks
22:18 < Fastly> wow.. massive help
22:18 < Fastly> huge thanks wombert
22:19 < Fastly> http://pastebin.ca/696457 <-- this works now
22:20 < Fastly> now, the final problem is that when iso_id:(us|ca|au) there is a level added to the url...
22:21 < Fastly> e.g. /directory/us/ny/new_york/
22:22 < Fastly> could i capture <route name=".country" pattern="^/(iso_id:(us|ca|au)"> above <route name=".country" pattern="^/({iso_id:[a-z]{2}})">
22:22 < Fastly> and create the subroutes as above?
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22:31 < Fastly> great, it's coming together now
22:31 < Fastly> http://pastebin.ca/696486
22:32 < Fastly> although i do have to ensure i don't have two routes called directory.country though, right?
22:32 < Wombert> er
22:32 < Wombert> no
22:32 < Wombert> that's not gonna work
22:32 < Wombert> since they're named thesame
22:33 < Fastly> ok so i do: <route name=".countrystates" pattern="^/({iso_id:(us|ca|au)})">  ??
22:34 < Wombert> maybe you can use an optional url fragment for that or so
22:34 < Wombert> not sure
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22:39 < Wombert> !ping
22:39 < um> pong
22:39 < Wombert> !ping google.com
22:39 < um> pong
22:39 < Wombert> !ping agavi.org
22:39 < um> pong
22:39 < Wombert> LIAR
22:40  * Wombert kicks um
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22:43 < Wombert> does, er, agavi.org work for anyone?
22:43 < MrJeep> wombert, did you ever worked with jpgraph ?
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22:45 < MrJeep> or anyone ?
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22:45 < MrJeep> is it the library, but when I create a graph and save it, the next time i create a graph, the first one is deleted..
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07:16 < RossC0> Morning!
07:16 < RossC0> When I say morning - I really mean 'Huomenta'! 
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08:16 < _cheerios> huomenta
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09:23 < RossC0> _cheerios: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/doctrine-user/browse_thread/thread/b2af0b51318b8b5a
09:23 < _cheerios> thanks. i didn't get a reply on #doctrine when i asked earlier.
09:23 < RossC0> hopefully we'll get some answers! 
09:24 < _cheerios> google brought up a ticket about "manual cache invalidation", but there was no reference to code/docs, so it kinda whizzed past me.
09:24 < RossC0> we're now looking at performance issues and ramping that up
09:24 < _cheerios> like http://doctrine.pengus.net/trac/ticket/374
09:25 < RossC0> thats really helpful!
09:25 < _cheerios> yeah :)
09:25 < RossC0> status changed from new to closed. resolution set to fixed. - but no notes
09:25 < RossC0> ha well!
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12:23 < Wombert> guys
12:23 < Wombert> when caching
12:23 < Wombert> source request_data reads from the global rd
12:23 < Wombert> I'd like to change that to read from the local rd
12:23 < Wombert> and then we have global_request_data as well
12:23 < Wombert> sorry, request_parameter
12:23 < Wombert> and global_request_parameter
12:23 < Wombert> maybe we should also just allow
12:24 < Wombert> <group source="request_data" namespace="parameter"> ?
12:24 < Wombert> and cookie, http_header, file?
12:24 < Wombert> I'll look into that
12:24 < v-dogg> go go go
12:24 < v-dogg> :)
12:25 < Wombert> well v-dogg 
12:25 < Wombert> it might break things if we change it
12:25 < Wombert> since local rd != global rd
12:25 < Wombert> etc
12:26 < Wombert> but
12:26 < Wombert> I gotta run
12:26 < Wombert> be back ina bit
12:26 < v-dogg> I'd bet not too many people use that
12:26 < Wombert> toss in your thoughts everyone
12:26 < v-dogg> in such a way it would break
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12:29 < v-dogg> ooops... tortoise svn's Revert and Rename are too close to one another...
12:30 < v-dogg> I almost did something stupid :)
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13:33 < _cheerios> anyone done snapshots of webpages on linux?
13:34 < _cheerios> (from cmdline, on a server environment)
13:41 < codecop> v-dogg, why u used CustomPHP5NestedSetPeerBuilder.php? i'm getting problems when trying to build with that class
13:42 < RossC0> _cheerios: you mean to an image
13:42 < RossC0> not wget ;)
13:43 < v-dogg> codecop: because I use sqlite and propel's nestedset implementation doesn't work with it
13:43 < v-dogg> if you don't use sqlite just remove the line from build.properties
13:45 < codecop> i use mysql
13:45 < codecop> ok
13:46 < _cheerios> RossC0, yes .)
13:46 < _cheerios> havint trouble with xvfb/vncserver keeping a dummy display
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14:45 < Wombert> v-dogg: I think I fixed that
14:45 < Wombert> w/ sqlite
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19:05 < Wombert_> ever used caching, impl?
19:05 < impl> You mean the caching we have now?
19:06 < Wombert_> yes
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19:06 < impl> Nope
19:07 < Wombert> kay
19:07 < impl> I've been meaning to figure it out for a couple of months
19:07 < Wombert> hmh
19:07 < impl> but haven't had a chance
19:07 < impl> Why?
19:07 < Wombert> well
19:07 < Wombert> groups, right?
19:07 < Wombert> used them in smarty?
19:07 < impl> Yeah, I'm familiar with the idea now
19:07 < Wombert> kay
19:07 < Wombert> so <group source="request_parameter">lolz</parameter>
19:07 < Wombert> uses global rd param lolz
19:07 < impl> right
19:08 < Wombert> but some people might want to use the local rd instead
19:08 < Wombert> e.g. when passing the data to a slot
19:08 < Wombert> soooo
19:08 < Wombert> do we change it do work on the global params and add global_request_parameter
19:08 < Wombert> or do we reuse the existing namespace attribute that tag has as well
19:08 < Wombert> example
19:08 < Wombert> <group source="request_attribute" namespace="org.agavi.controller.foo">bar</group>
19:08 < Wombert> so
19:09 < Wombert> <group source="request_data" namespace="cookie">language</group>
19:09 < Wombert> that would then use the cookie from the request data (the local one)
19:09 < Wombert> and we'd have global_request_data as well
19:09 < Wombert> default namespace would be "parameter"
19:09 < Wombert> would that, mh, abuse the namespace name in your opinion?
19:09 < Wombert> I mean the term "namespace"
19:10 < impl> Well, that's what we call it everywhere else, isn't it?
19:10 < impl> I mean... it's kinda wrong
19:12 < impl> hmm
19:13 < impl> Wombert: is there a good alternative?
19:14 < Wombert> I have no idea
19:14 < Wombert> probably
19:14 < Wombert> probably not
19:14  * Wombert sighs
19:14 < Wombert> oh dear god
19:14 < Wombert> I need
19:14 < Wombert> - a credit card that's got no limit
19:14 < Wombert> - a fast car
19:14 < Wombert> - a girlfriend
19:14 < Wombert> - a vacation
19:14 < Wombert> - something to cure the headache I'm having
19:14 < Wombert> ZOMG
19:15 < impl> D:
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20:23 < _cheerios> watch something by Uwe Boll to cure that headache...
20:24 < _cheerios> he's a great German film producer
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23:42  * Wombert slaps impl 
23:42  * impl slaps Wombert 
23:42 < impl> we have tornadoes :D
23:42 < ttj> Oh?
23:45 < Wombert> Oh.
23:45 < ttj> Uh-oh.
23:45 < Wombert> so, what, mh, about that cache group foo bar namespace lala data thing
23:45 < ttj> What about some beer?
23:46 < Wombert> no no
23:46 < ttj> :-(
23:47 < impl> Wombert: I haven't put a whole lot of thought into it, sorry
23:47 < impl> umm
23:47 < ttj> Oh well, at least the waitress chick already knew me by my first name. \o/
23:47 < ttj> "Oh, hi Tuomo! How many bottles of sparkling wine do you want?"
23:47 < Wombert> she did
23:47 < Wombert> is she, er, tasty
23:47 < ttj> She's cute.
23:47 < Wombert> right
23:48 < Wombert> did you make a jerk of yourself?
23:48 < ttj> Well...
23:48 < Wombert> you did
23:48 < Wombert> dude
23:48 < Wombert> look
23:48 < ttj> Eve was wondering why Pia knew me by my first name.
23:48 < impl> haha
23:48 < Wombert> her name is pia?
23:48 < Wombert> eww
23:48 < ttj> Pfft, silly German.
23:49 < Wombert> anyway
23:49 < Wombert> what did you do to piss her off? :p
23:49  * impl fires a pistol
23:49 < impl> Pia! Pia pia!
23:49 < ttj> Nothing.
23:49 < Wombert> did you get uber drunk?
23:49 < ttj> Nah.
23:49 < Wombert> did you get uber drunk last time?
23:49 < ttj> Well, she's thrown us out a couple of times. :P
23:50 < Wombert> did you get her number then?
23:50 < Wombert> oh
23:50 < Wombert> okay
23:50 < Wombert> forget that question :p
23:50 < ttj> Mostly because they were closing and we hadn't noticed that everyone else had already left. :P
23:50 < Wombert> who's "we"
23:51 < ttj> A miscellaneous lot.
23:52 < ttj> But what's up in Germany?
23:52 < Wombert> mh
23:52 < Wombert> nothing
23:52 < Wombert> as I mentioned earlier, I'm in dire straits for a fast car
23:52 < Wombert> a girlfriend
23:52 < Wombert> a credit card with no limit
23:53 < Wombert> another fast car
23:53 < Wombert> someone to do my work
23:53 < Wombert> and
23:53 < Wombert> well a vacation maybe
23:53 < ttj> Pfft. Vacations are for pussies.
23:53 < Wombert> ideally, everything combined :p
23:53 < Wombert> ...
23:53 < Wombert> says the man who's been on a sail boat for a whole month
23:54 < ttj> Bah. A week and a half.
23:54 < CIA-11> david * r2073 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php: some getVariable() cosmetics and, mh, improved default case and break handling
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00:13 < Wombert> impl: request_data and global_request_data source names okay?
00:13 < Wombert> or request_data_global ?
00:15 < impl> global_request_data would be better
00:19 < Wombert> kay
00:28 < CIA-11> david * r2074 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php: Added cache group sources "request_data" and "global_request_data" to ExecutionFilter, closes #571
00:28 < Wombert> it really is getting rc6 timenow
00:36 < CIA-11> david * r2075 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php: Fix for wrong argument order in [2074], refs #571
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06:45 < digitarald> Huomenta!
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07:26 < _cheerios> hai
07:28 < digitarald> hey
07:36 < _cheerios> "Reports have suggested Alonso told Dennis he would show the e-mails to Max Mosley, president of the sport's governing body the FIA, if he did not give Alonso number one status at McLaren over Lewis Hamilton." :)
07:36 < _cheerios> oh the drama!
07:36 < _cheerios> what's the latest with moo, digitarald ? all i see is jquery in the news
07:38 < digitarald> working on the tests
07:38 < digitarald> 1.2 release will be a big one ...
07:38 < digitarald> and then we plan to release faster
07:38 < digitarald> also we work on a plugin forge
07:38 < digitarald> already commiting plugins
07:39 < digitarald> ... and who cares about jq, I want to write JavaScript ;)
07:39 < digitarald> take a look at the svn, we are pretty active, cooking the 1.2 soup!
07:40 < digitarald> and ... working on a BDD suite for the MooTools tests
07:40 < digitarald> no js library has BDD tests
07:44 < _cheerios> had to look up BDD on google :)
07:44 < _cheerios> it wasn't Bastard!
07:45 < digitarald> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8135690990081075324
07:45 < digitarald> very interesting
07:46 < digitarald> any idea which one I should buy?
07:46 < digitarald> http://www.amazon.de/gp/registry/wishlist/3CSOJGHBL2MNL/303-4016187-7909823
07:46 < digitarald>  - Agile Software Development.: Software Through People
07:46 < digitarald>  - Agile Software Development. The Cooperative Game
07:46 < digitarald>  - Domain-Driven Design: Tackling Complexity in the Heart of Software
07:48 < digitarald> v-dogg, kaos|work, _cheerios?
07:48 < _cheerios> i probably should buy one myself, so i have a practice/guideline to go thru each project with.
07:48 < _cheerios> ...but, i have a book already on order!
07:48 < _cheerios> im the worst when it comes to testing/rigid sw development.
07:49 < digitarald> i need more structure and planning in my development ... thats why I need one of these :)
07:50 < _cheerios> im battling with a bit of class explosion currently. need to have graphs to even get an idea how it all works now :)
07:51 < digitarald> ... i battle with clustering
07:51 < digitarald> k-means ...
07:51 < digitarald> ... building cluster for tags and photos
07:51 < digitarald> ... or maybe I'm just bored
07:52 < _cheerios> im interested on whatever you find out on that topic. i'll do something like that later this year myself.
07:52 < _cheerios> i was testing some clustering products earlier this year. fascinating stuff.
07:52 < digitarald> what products?
07:52 < _cheerios> lemme check my notes
07:53 < _cheerios> MCL, Markov Cluster Algorithm; http://micans.org/mcl/
07:54 < digitarald> currently I'm a bit lost since all K-means algorithm i saw are for positions
07:54 < digitarald> i have to calculate them after tag weights
07:54 < digitarald> Tag A-B weight
07:55 < _cheerios> aye, mcl is the same
07:55 < _cheerios> cat hat  0.2
07:55 < _cheerios> hat bat  0.16
07:55 < _cheerios> ...
07:55 < digitarald> relative occurence of A and B together, plus the overall occurences of A and B
07:55 < _cheerios> result -> cat hat bat & bit fit hit
07:56 < digitarald> and I thought I can speek in riddles
07:56 < digitarald> nice, thats what I need
07:57 < digitarald> why people create extra libraries for it ... maybe because its really friggin hard to do :|
07:57 < _cheerios> i didn't get deep enough into mcl on how to properly use it with tags+something +what the proper weight would be, excluding count(tag).
07:58 < digitarald> i count tags right the tag table
07:58 < digitarald> *in
07:58 < digitarald> ... but still I need a cron job to calculate the cluster
08:00 < _cheerios> then there were some using graphviz, but it seemed too slow to do anything that would be calculated more than a few times per day (given big data)
08:00 < digitarald> i think i'm lost
08:00 < digitarald> that C code looks horrible ... with horrible naming
08:02 < _cheerios> it's a PhD guy. interests lie elsewhere i think :)
08:03 < digitarald> u found a php lib for clustering? :D
08:04 < _cheerios> no :)
08:05 < digitarald> i found one example
08:07 < _cheerios> url?
08:09 < digitarald> a real simple example
08:09 < digitarald> a, linked in wiki
08:10 < digitarald> http://www25.brinkster.com/denshade/kmeans.php.htm
08:10 < _cheerios> :)
08:17 < _cheerios> "iceweasel prevented this site from opening 1300+ popups" with the number increasing everytime i move my mouse. ;)
08:18 < digitarald> _cheerios, thats a nice article http://www2.biology.ualberta.ca/jbrzusto/cluster.php
08:19 < digitarald> sounds useful ... no PhD paper :)
08:21 < _cheerios> "UNSUPPORTED SOFTWARE: USE AT OWN RISK", applet from 2002. Headache warning :)
08:26 < _cheerios> in his examples he calculates the distance between entries (0...1) and then inverts the result into similarity weight (0...1).
08:28 < _cheerios> how'd to relate that with tags A B (weight) of photo 1, and A B (weight) of photo 2?
08:28 < digitarald> thats what I have now
08:29 < digitarald> do u have similarity of tags or photos?
08:29 < _cheerios> just wondering, as the photo is it's own tag group and has its own weight for the given tags it holds
08:29 < digitarald> for calculating similarity u have several algorithms
08:29 < digitarald> http://www.pui.ch/phred/automated_tag_clustering/
08:30 < digitarald> #Proposed cluster algorithm
08:30 < digitarald> there are the similarity measures
08:30 < digitarald> but he does not explain the clustering
08:30 < digitarald> or at least not with a working example ;)
08:32 < _cheerios> i have some bookmarks on this topic http://del.icio.us/mixman/cluster
08:33 < digitarald> ;) http://del.icio.us/digitarald/tagging
08:34 < digitarald> so ... now I try k-means with my tag weight
08:36 < _cheerios> creating the input for these things, given enough data, is one massive file. mcl had some binary format too (in addition to that text thingy i pasted above)
08:38 < digitarald> ... ok ... i wrote a prototype in javascript :D
08:40 < _cheerios> how does it look like?
08:41 < digitarald> ... working on sample data
08:41 < digitarald> Array::cluster ... done ... ha ... too simple ;)
08:43 < digitarald> http://www.sourcecodesworld.com/source/show.asp?ScriptID=807
08:45 < _cheerios> that's the popup crazy page :)
08:47 < digitarald> http://rubyforge.org/projects/clusterer/
08:49 < digitarald> why ruby has so cool gems :D
08:54 < _cheerios> calculating the weights seems to be the hardest thing?
09:00 < digitarald> no
09:00 < digitarald> i have that already
09:00 < digitarald> the clustering is the hardest thing ;)
09:00 < _cheerios> what formula did you endup using for the weights?
09:00 < _cheerios> the weights determine the cluster :)
09:01 < digitarald> its not 100% correct ow
09:01 < digitarald> now
09:01 < digitarald> since u have to calculate the weight before clustering
09:02 < digitarald> $simile = 2 * ($pair_photos) / ($entries[$id] + $photos);
09:02 < digitarald> ;)
09:02 < digitarald> pair photos is occurences A+B
09:02 < digitarald> the $entries[$id] is all occurences A
09:02 < digitarald> and $photos for B
09:02 < digitarald> really simple
09:02 < _cheerios> looks like the "Dice" from the page you linked then
09:03 < digitarald> yes
09:03 < digitarald> it is
09:03 < digitarald> tested different results
09:04 < digitarald> and u calculate that when I create a Photo2TagModel
09:04 < digitarald> so its always up2date
09:07 < digitarald> that ruby lib is pretty nice
09:17 < _cheerios> does mysql have any nice way of doing set operations, like A+B and A-B ?
09:17 < _cheerios> or did you do it via php?
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11:43 < _cheerios> "(2003) It would take a human being about five years to read the new scientific material that is produced every 24 hours."
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13:27 < _cheerios> 15e weekend food bill :|
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13:53 < Wombert> _cheerios: in the new apartment yet?
14:06 < _cheerios> yer, 2 weeks now. getting used to it now that there's a bookshelf from ikea.
14:07 < _cheerios> books were filling my breakfast table before that. no good :)
14:08 < Wombert> oO
14:08 < Wombert> PICS
14:08 < Wombert> PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
14:08 < Wombert> :)
14:21 < _cheerios> you're supposed to say that when there's a girl involved :)
15:09 < _cheerios> mmmm.... meaaaaat!!!
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16:09 < _cheerios> hmm... this German orange juice is weird
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16:09 < _cheerios> it smells of beer
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16:39 < _cheerios> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6996553.stm publicity seeking locos...
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21:00 < _cheerios> http://community.livejournal.com/foto_decadent/1553664.html
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06:37 < _cheerios> hyvvää huomenta kaikille agavilaisille
07:14 < Arme[N]> huomenta
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08:18 < MikeSeth> stretch stretch
08:36 < Arme[N]> I want to get a benchmark from agavi, so need to optimize it, I changed the environment todefault, enabled ze cache, is there other thing to do?
08:37 < MikeSeth> Perhaps kill off the services you don't use, if you don't use them: translation, database etc
08:37 < Arme[N]> hmmm ExecutionTime filter too
08:38 < Arme[N]> yep
08:40 < Arme[N]> Agavi: Requests per second:    19.09 [#/sec] (mean)
08:40 < Arme[N]> Codeigniter: Requests per second:    105.37 [#/sec] (mean)
08:40 < MikeSeth> that filter is usually configured for the development environment only
08:40 < Arme[N]> :(
08:40 < MikeSeth> and are they all doing the same?
08:40 < Arme[N]> MikeSeth: yep, I see
08:40 < Arme[N]> MikeSeth: yes, just load a simple template
08:41 < _cheerios> odd, when i benched CI against agavi it wasn't any faster
08:41  * Arme[N] scratches his head
08:41 < _cheerios> do you have APC or similar opcache enabled?
08:42 < Arme[N]> ab says Document Length: 41 bytes for both
08:42 < Arme[N]> _cheerios: nope
08:43 < _cheerios> test with it on
08:43 < Arme[N]> oki
08:45 < v-dogg_> Arme[N]: maybe you should just use "<table><?php foreach(mysql_query(...)><tr> ..."
08:45 < v-dogg_> I bet you can make it even faster that way!
08:45 < v-dogg_> ;p
08:45  * v-dogg_ stops flaming and takes the dog out :)
08:45 < MikeSeth> Arme[N]: time for apd :)
08:48 < Arme[N]> v-dogg_: :)
08:49 < Arme[N]> I know CI is not compareable with Agavi and Agavi is much better than it but boss just understand ze performance
08:59 < Arme[N]> with APC it is Requests per second:    89.07 [#/sec] 
09:00 < Arme[N]> :)
09:00 < _cheerios> yep :) and CI?
09:02 < Arme[N]> 291 :)
09:02 < Arme[N]> I don't know whats wrong
09:03 < _cheerios> Agavi numbers seem normal
09:03 < _cheerios> do you have caching disabled in CI?
09:05 < Arme[N]> no it is enabled
09:05 < Arme[N]> in both
09:05 < _cheerios> try disabled with both
09:06 < Arme[N]> oki
09:06 < _cheerios> ci caching is probably more lightweight than agavis, but yeah, that's not CI's fault :)
09:10 < Arme[N]> 275.73 for CI and ...
09:10 < Arme[N]> 59.08 for agavi
09:11 < _cheerios> *shrug* that's the differences pure performance-wise then, if all settings were equal
09:13 < _cheerios> did you delete the cache folder in CI, before you ran the test (after disabling caching) ?
09:13 < Arme[N]> yes
09:13 < Arme[N]> I deleted agavi's content dir too
09:13 < _cheerios> ok, i read on ci page that you have to delete their caches manually :)
09:15 < Arme[N]> yep
09:25 < MikeSeth> Arme[N]: seriously try apd
09:26 < _cheerios> mike, what for?
09:33 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: to figure out where the most CPU time is spent
09:35 < Arme[N]> ze xdebug with kcachegrind but may be at weekend
09:38 < MikeSeth> Arme[N]: apd can generate kcachegrind dumps too
09:39 < MikeSeth> or rather, there's a tool to convert pprof files to kcachegrind input
09:40 < _cheerios> any noticeable difference over apd/xdebug results?
09:42 < MikeSeth> *shrug*
09:42 < MikeSeth> apd is just way easier to set up
09:42 < MikeSeth> xdebug is a real bitch
09:43 < _cheerios> right...
09:45 < MikeSeth> besides, I'm not even sure if xdebug has any profiling facilities
09:47 < _cheerios> it does, http://xdebug.org/docs/profiler
09:47 < MikeSeth> niiiiiiceee
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12:51 < _cheerios> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/30593810.html
12:59 < _cheerios> heh @ http://www.theonion.com/content/video/al_qaeda_also_fed_up_with_ground?
13:05 < nfq> member:_cheerios: that craiglist story is excellent!
13:05 < splatch`> hello
13:05 < splatch`> :-)
13:08 < _cheerios> splatch`, have you tried Scala? It runs on the jvm, you can use all the java libraries and the code is as expressive as Ruby
13:09 < splatch`> _cheerios: no, i only heard about Scala but i never use
13:11 < splatch`> _cheerios: but that looks like JRuby or Groovy
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13:17 < MikeSeth> there's an article on dzone right now
13:17 < MikeSeth> called "...must..resist..Scala..temptation.."
13:18 < MikeSeth> http://www.dzone.com/links/trying_to_resist_scalamustnotsuccumb.html
13:18 < MikeSeth> there you go kthx
13:23 < _cheerios> i read that last night, peaked my interest :)
13:24 < _cheerios> iirc, at the end of his article he had no excuses (1) didn't support REPL 2) didn't support his facorite IDE) left.
13:25 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, do you hide stuff beneath CSS/JS rules to get keywords/text visible for google that wouldn't otherwise show on the page?
13:33 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: me personally? Never; I don't do public websites. But we used to do so in blackhat SEO projects. Eventually we decided not to; Google got smart burning down the index for this kind of hacks
13:34 < _cheerios> hmm. im wondering how to display text on a mostly ajax'd site.
13:40 < _cheerios> seems there is <NOSCRIPT/>
13:41 < _cheerios> and google seems to index the contents, perfect
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14:08 < _cheerios> Survivor Parinwit Chusaeng told Thai TV: "I saw passengers engulfed in fire as I STEPPED OVER them on the way out of the plane."
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14:11 < _cheerios> hi Wombert , sup?
14:11 < Wombert> hai
14:12 < Wombert> not much
14:12 < Wombert> why? :>
14:16 < _cheerios> oh, i felt like being internet friendly -- you know?
14:16 < _cheerios> don't expect anything like this irl, you gorilla.
14:17 < Wombert> INTERNET FRIENDLY, HUH?
14:17 < Wombert> I'M FINE I DON'T NEED ANY FRIENDLINESS SO GO AND FUCK YOURSELF SIR THANK YOU VERY MUCH KTHXBAI
14:17 < Wombert> !
14:18 < Wombert> OH AND
14:18 < Wombert> SIR
14:18 < Wombert> FINLAND SUX!!!!
14:18 < Wombert> :>
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14:19 < Wombert> SIR I HAD A CHANGE OF HEART
14:19 < Wombert> I LOVE YOU
14:19  * Wombert hugs _cheerios 
14:19 < MikeSeth> touchink
14:20  * MikeSeth sheds tear(1)
14:20 < Wombert> I wonder if Armen had i18n on
14:21 < Wombert> because that slows things down the mist
14:21 < Wombert> most
14:21 < Wombert> and
14:21 < MikeSeth> it doth?
14:21 < Wombert> CI doesn't have any i18n xD
14:21 < Wombert> yes
14:21 < MikeSeth> i told him to turh that shit off :D
14:22 < _cheerios> the results seemed normal for agavi. even with caching it's very hard to get >100 req/s, unless you're using SCSI disks on RAID or summit
14:23 < Wombert> yeah
14:23 < Wombert> prolly
14:23 < Wombert> well
14:23 < Wombert> we have some things up our sleeves there
14:23 < Wombert> ;)
14:23 < Wombert> but who knows how feasible/doable it is within the near future
14:23 < Wombert> in any case, we'll also optimize performance for 1.0
14:24 < Wombert> but I believe it really is good enough so far
14:24 < Wombert> I personally don't care much about 20 requests more or less; the money you save on servers when using CI is easily wasted on manpower needed to get things working in that ugly mess of theirs
14:25 < _cheerios> it'll only matter when your site goes bigtime
14:28 < _cheerios> agavi would probably get better results, when using full page caching (like is case with default benchmarks), if caching+routing+session could be loaded to handle a request without loading the whole framework. 
14:32 < _cheerios> is RC6 final RC before 0.11?
14:37 < Wombert> with full page caching you mean, er, writing html to disk?
14:38 < Wombert> you could easily do that with a custom global filter; that would be less than ten lines of code :)
14:38 < Wombert> yes, RC6 should be the last one
14:38 < Wombert> I want to roll that tomorrow, but we need to look at that one ticket about request data locking
14:38 < MikeSeth> oh boy
14:39 < MikeSeth> here we come again
14:39 < Wombert> anyway, I'm headed to the office, will be back later
14:39 < Wombert> if any of you see nfq, ask him to call me
14:39 < Wombert> bai!
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14:40 < v-dogg_> MikeSeth: where what why?
14:47 < MikeSeth> v-dogg_: the barf lock
14:49 < v-dogg_> ah
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17:19 < _cheerios> "Jack of all trades, master of none, though oft times better than master of one!"
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19:02 < ttj> Yo.
19:02 < Wombert> YoYO
19:02 < ttj> 'sup in Germanyland?
19:02 < Wombert> ah not much
19:02 < Wombert> sitting in teh empty nu office
19:03 < ttj> On a Sunday evening? :P
19:03 < Wombert> which means I need to order chairs and desks tomorrow
19:03 < Wombert> yes
19:03 < Wombert> dude I'm an entrepreneur <:
19:03 < ttj> Oh?
19:03 < Wombert> that's the way it works
19:03 < ttj> I was just about to ask, since apparently I've been out of the loop.
19:03 < Wombert> you, er, spend seven days a week doing things that normal employed people do in five
19:04 < Wombert> and then you bitch about it every now and then
19:04 < ttj> :-)
19:04 < ttj> Products or services?
19:04 < Wombert> preferrably after you've just worked through the night or so
19:04 < Wombert> oO
19:04 < Wombert> services
19:04 < Wombert> always been :p
19:04 < ttj> Ah. :-)
19:04 < Wombert> kaos and me
19:05 < ttj> Nice.
19:05 < ttj> Any outside investors?
19:05 < Wombert> we're not really doing projects anymore, more focusing on the consulting/training/support thing
19:05 < Wombert> around agavi
19:05 < Wombert> nah
19:05 < Wombert> what for
19:05 < Wombert> we don't have any products :P
19:05 < ttj> True.
19:05 < ttj> Might be hard to sell a service company idea to angels.
19:05 < Wombert> don't need the angels anyway
19:06 < Wombert> I mean
19:06 < Wombert> we don't have huge expenses
19:06 < Wombert> we don't need R&D
19:06 < Wombert> we don't need to bring something to the market
19:06 < ttj> Word of mouth marketing?
19:06 < Wombert> essentially, yes
19:07 < Wombert> in fact we've been so busy that we've had no time to build a website to explain what we do ;)
19:07 < ttj> Haha, that's extremely cool! :D
19:07 < Wombert> but a good number of inquiries is now coming through agavi
19:07 < Wombert> or propel
19:07 < Wombert> our open source efforts, anyway
19:08 < Wombert> which is pretty cool because that's been the plan for some time
19:08 < Wombert> so if you guys at nokia ever need, mh, agavi training
19:08 < Wombert> let me know
19:08 < Wombert> :)
19:08 < ttj> Sure. :P
19:08 < Wombert> -nokia +thatbigfinnishmobilephoneproducer
19:09 < Wombert> come on, do me the favor, eh?
19:09 < Wombert> :p
19:09 < ttj> Much appreciated. :D
19:09 < Wombert> sell the idea to your boss
19:09 < Wombert> xD
19:09 < ttj> Well, if a situation arises. Right now we're knee deep in shit in many other things, so not much software development.
19:10 < Wombert> btw, I feel the urge to tell you, the dude who has nothing to do with mobile phone things at all, that you should drop these symbian phones because they suxor
19:10 < Wombert> or, maybe, I'm just too stupid to understand the multitasking thing on a mobile phone
19:10 < ttj> You're preaching to the choir. :-)
19:11 < ttj> We don't really have any authority over the software guys, but my own personal opinion is that Maemo seems interesting enough as a platform.
19:12 < Wombert> dunno, I like my series 40 very much
19:12 < Wombert> even though the crappy thing freezes every time I connect or remove the power cord
19:12 < Wombert> maybe it's broken
19:12 < Wombert> well it likely is; seems like a hardware defect to me anyway
19:12 < Wombert> never heard of maemo
19:13 < ttj> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800
19:13 < ttj> That runs on Maemo. And Maemo is a Linux-based OS.
19:13 < Wombert> oh, linux, eh?
19:14 < ttj> I've talked to some friends of mine who actually write code for devices like that and everyone is telling me how much of a pain in the ass Symbian and S60 are. But just about everyone seems to like or love Maemo to some extent.
19:14 < Wombert> so I need to recompile my kernel before making a call, eh?
19:14 < ttj> :P
19:14 < Wombert> hm
19:14 < Wombert> well yeah
19:15 < Wombert> I've worked on a project recently that also involved a mobile phone interface and
19:15 < Wombert> it's java based
19:15 < v-dogg_> I've done some series60 code and yes, it was hell
19:15 < Wombert> and every vm is different
19:15 < ttj> Sorry, phone call.
19:15 < Wombert> which means it's nothing like java is supposed to be
19:15 < Wombert> plus
19:19 < Wombert> some basics you can't do in java
19:19 < Wombert> like making the backlight stay on all the time or so
19:19 < Wombert> so you need to install a symbian app that runs in the background and does that
19:19 < Wombert> xD
19:20 < Wombert> anyway
19:20 < Wombert> I need to head home
19:23 < Wombert> laters
19:23 < Wombert> =>
19:25 < ttj> Bye.
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19:39 < _cheerios> When a simple "Hello World" takes this much effort ( http://symbian.compactbyte.com/?p=4 ), I hope the pay is good.
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21:11 < _cheerios> tired x_X
21:11 < Wombert> haha look at v-dogg's underpants^H^H^H^H^Hscore :>
21:11 < Wombert> _cheerios: while(tried) { goto _sleep; }
21:11 < Wombert> eww
21:11 < Wombert> tired
21:11 < Wombert> <:
21:11  * impl suspects Wombert is drunk
21:12 < Wombert> mh
21:12 < Wombert> no
21:12 < Wombert> :>
21:12 < _cheerios> that could spell trouble, if the liquor store is on the way to the chair store...
21:13 < _cheerios> money "disappears". no new chairs.
21:13 < impl> say you got mugged
21:13 < impl> and then they gave you intoxicating drugs
21:14 < Wombert> what chair store oO
21:14 < Wombert> ah
21:14 < Wombert> well
21:14 < Wombert> I'll order them
21:14 < _cheerios> kaos will be like, damn, "these macs are nice, but what about those chairs?"
21:14 < Wombert> and then they are delivered :p
21:14 < Wombert> which is free
21:14 < Wombert> it damn better be given how fucking expensive that shit is
21:14 < _cheerios> my butt hurts :| could use a better chair, i guess. or rest more.
21:14 < Wombert> yup
21:15 < Wombert> http://www.hmeurope.com/ProductPage_new.asp?pagerequested=PPAE <- ace
21:15 < impl> _cheerios: are you going to go work with Wombert and kaos?
21:15 < Wombert> hell no
21:15  * Wombert shudders
21:15 < Wombert> WITH THAT FINNISH FREAK NO THANK YOU VERY MUCH
21:15 < Wombert> :>
21:15 < _cheerios> hahaha
21:15  * Wombert hugs _cheerios 
21:18 < _cheerios> trust your butt with ikea http://www.ikea.com/fi/fi/catalog/products/90025727
21:19 < Wombert> lawl
21:19 < Wombert> my ass hurts from just looking at that
21:19 < Wombert> rules
21:19 < Wombert> - buy a char with lumbar support
21:19 < Wombert> - buy a chair with mesh surface, not cloth (most important thing, evar)
21:19 < impl> why?
21:19 < impl> cooling?
21:20 < Wombert> - buy a chair with a tall back
21:20 < Wombert> yes
21:20 < impl> I find my chair cozy
21:20 < impl> :>
21:20 < _cheerios> wombie can fart, and the smell doesn't stick to the chair. hence the mesh.
21:20 < Wombert> I've been sitting on a mesh chair for two or three months and it's fucking awesome
21:21 < impl> I end up falling asleep in my chair because it tilts backwards about 45 degrees
21:21 < impl> with my feet on my desk
21:21 < Wombert> it was also okay, but not really good or even awesome
21:21 < _cheerios> heh impl
21:21 < impl> so of course when I wake up my legs are totally numb
21:21 < Wombert> those Aerons are really, really, really schweet I must say
21:21 < impl> and I usually end up hititng things trying to get them back on the floor
21:21 < impl> hitting*
21:21 < impl> :(
21:21 < Wombert> yes, that's what you get from sleeping in chairs
21:21 < Wombert> laaaawl
21:21 < impl> I probably sleep more in my chair than I do in my bed
21:22 < Wombert> ahahaha picturing that cracks me up
21:22  * impl slaps Wombert 
21:22 < Wombert> which would be a very good reason to spend money on a decent an ergonomic chair, impl 
21:22 < Wombert> I mean
21:22 < Wombert> normal people
21:22  * Wombert coughs
21:22 < Wombert> work in their chairs more than they sleep in their beds
21:22 < Wombert> there are also people, at least I was told so, that
21:22 < Wombert> mh
21:22 < Wombert> sleep more in their chairs than they do in their beds
21:23 < Wombert> which I find, er, may I say LOLZ, but still...
21:23 < impl> that's me
21:23 < impl> :<
21:23 < Wombert> :>>>>>
21:23  * Wombert hugs impl 
21:23 < impl> I have these towers of DVD/CD-R cases next to my monitor right now
21:23 < impl> it's a bit worrying, and I should move them
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21:25 < _cheerios> http://www.varierfurniture.com/specifications.asp?p=Variable&la=FI&na=FI anyone tried this type of chair?
21:26 < impl> _cheerios: The guy I sat next to at work had one of those
21:26 < impl> he said it was "weird"
21:28 < Wombert> I say whoever uses that is weird
21:29 < _cheerios> that thing looks small & cheap, but it's 300e!
21:33 < _cheerios> how much is an aeron Wombert? 1000e? 2000e?
21:33 < Wombert> depends on whether its new or used
21:33 < Wombert> they also have mirras those start at around 700 but they're not as good
21:34 < Wombert> aerons start at around 1200 (plus taxes)
21:34 < _cheerios> never buy used furniture unless you check it with a blacklight
21:34 < Wombert> if you want polished aluminum feet, that's another ridiculous 250 orso
21:34 < Wombert> lawl
21:34 < Wombert> well in any case, aerons have 12 years warranty
21:35 < Wombert> except for the gas spring, that is
21:35 < Wombert> and I think the mesh is also less than 12 years
21:35 < Wombert> I wanted to get a Mirra which is an excellent chair but the Aeron is just effin superb
21:35 < Wombert> you wouldn't believe how spectacular something as trivial as a chair could possibly be
21:36 < Wombert> you sit on it, and it immediately feels like it was custom tailored just for you, and a moment later, it completely disappears from your perception
21:36 < Wombert> but wtf is an "orso"
21:37 < Wombert> I meant "euros"
21:37  * Wombert looks at his keyboard and tries to figure out what was going on when he typed that
21:37 < ttj> Orson Welles.
21:37 < Wombert> who is that
21:38 < ttj> *gasp*
21:38  * ttj slaps Wombert 
21:38 < Wombert> uh oh
21:38 < Wombert> wikipedia to the rescue
21:38 < Wombert> right
21:38 < ttj> Citizen Kane!
21:38 < Wombert> another shocker for you, mr ttj 
21:38 < Wombert> I never saw Citizen Kane
21:38 < Wombert> there you go
21:38  * Wombert ducks
21:38  * ttj slaps Wombert again. With a white glove.
21:39 < Wombert> ouch
21:39 < Wombert> dude
21:39 < ttj> Get your sword!
21:39 < ttj> Sorry, I'm a bit sour since I was already asleep and then I was rudely waken up and now I can't get back to sleep. :-(
21:39  * ttj hugs Wombert
21:40  * Wombert packs a sword
21:40 < Wombert> OFFENSE TAKEN, K?
21:40 < Wombert> FIGHT NOOB
21:40 < Wombert> oh no hang on
21:40 < Wombert> this is getting on my nerves
21:40 -!- mode/#agavi [+o Wombert] by ChanServ
21:40 <@Wombert> the whole uppercase doohickey
21:40 < impl> KILL HIM
21:40 <@Wombert> laaaawl
21:40 < ttj> :P
21:41  * ttj goes into hiding.
21:41 < ttj> Maybe if I start switching nicks fast enough...
21:41  * Wombert looks for ttj 
21:41  * Wombert finds him
21:41  * Wombert hugs him
21:41 <@Wombert> of course dude
21:41 < ttj> Aww... <3
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21:41 < impl> I think the ability to op *other* people with ChanServ is retarded
21:41 <@Wombert> would you like a cup of hot milk with, mh, honey in it
21:41 <@Wombert> so you can sleep well
21:41 < ttj> This is getting awfully weird.
21:41 <@Wombert> impl: I think there are separate levels for oping and selfoping
21:42 < ttj> Ok as long as you don't want to cuddle with me.
21:42 <@Wombert> eh, no, no, not today, thank you
21:42 < ttj> Ok, excellent. Then we understand each other. :D
21:42 <@Wombert> and not tomorrow, or any day for that matter
21:42 <@Wombert> just so we understand each other
21:42 < impl> hmm, maybe so
21:42 <@Wombert> yeah
21:42 <@Wombert> :p
21:42 < impl> #agavi, now with homosexuality b&
21:42 <@Wombert> may I still hug you from time to time, though, ttj?
21:43 < ttj> Hugging is ok, if not overdone. And no cheak kissing.
21:43  * Wombert hands impl the "I'm a homophobic american cowboy" badge
21:43 <@Wombert> lawl
21:43 < impl> <- REPUBLICAN
21:43 < impl> gay is not natural! god hates fags!
21:43 <@Wombert> I CALLED IT!
21:43 < ttj> Haha. :P
21:44 < impl> have you guys ever seen that site?
21:44 <@Wombert> I think so
21:44 <@Wombert> not that I'd need proof of how 'tarded GOP fanboys are
21:44 < impl> nah, godhatesfags is beyond Republican fanboiism
21:44 < impl> it's downright wrong
21:45 < ttj> God should also hate dumb fucks.
21:45 <@Wombert> ttj: and with what?
21:45 < ttj> In fact, god should strike dumb fuckers dead with lightning bolts and stuff.
21:45 <@Wombert> WITH GOOD REASON!
21:45 <@Wombert> :>
21:45 < ttj> Then he'd sort of be like the Emperor from Star Wars.
21:45 < impl> Quotes from the pastor of the church that runs godhatesfags.com (Westboro Baptist Church), courtesy of Wikipedia:
21:45 < impl> "The Lord God Almighty killed [the people who died on 9/11], looked at them in the face, laughed and mocked at each one of them as he cast each one of them into hell."
21:45 <@Wombert> eh?
21:46 <@Wombert> wait
21:46 < impl> "On Pope John Paul II's watch, the Roman Catholic Church became the church of the holy pedophiles. And sodomite feces replaced the wafer for their communion service. And Sodomite semen replaced the wine that the Pope drinks."
21:46 <@Wombert> all the victims of 9/11 were gay or what?
21:46 <@Wombert> I didn't realize that
21:46  * Wombert blinks
21:46 <@Wombert> AH THAT'S WHY THEY ALL DIED!
21:46 < ttj> Must've been since God killed them. *shrug*
21:46 < ttj> Shit, does that make my grandmother also gay. :o
21:47 < impl> "Hurricane Rita is an answer to the prayers of the suffering saints of Westboro Baptist Church." (Hurricane Katrina has also been cited on other sources)
21:48 < ttj> Ok, anyway, gonna go read some course books and try to catch zome ZzzZZ before work.
21:48 < impl> have fun. :o
21:49 < impl> http://godhatesshrimp.com/ loool
21:55 <@Wombert> nn ttj 
21:58 <@Wombert> impl: what I find funny about that Leviticus passage is
21:58 <@Wombert> that is essentially says
21:59 <@Wombert> "anything that does not have fins and scales shall be an abomination unto you"
22:00 <@Wombert> "you shall not eat from their flesh because it is an abomination unto you"
22:00 <@Wombert> "because, well, because it is an abomination unto you"
22:01 <@Wombert> that is like if a child's parents tell him not to cross the street at a red light, and when he asks why, they tell him BECAUSE!
22:01 < impl> My mom does that
22:01 < impl> :(
22:01 <@Wombert> haha
22:02 <@Wombert> sorry
22:02 < impl> It's okay, I don't listen to her when she says that
22:02 < impl> if someone can't justify something I don't see why I should listen to what they say :D
22:04 <@Wombert> xD
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06:28 < _cheerios> huuuomenta
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07:37 < RossC0> Huomenta!
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07:57 < shoan> huomenta
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08:55 < _cheerios> helps to have the power cord attached to the laptop..
09:03 < MikeSeth> I've observed that phenomenon
09:04 < digitarald> ... crazy
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09:10 < trophaeum> _cheerios, thats what good batteries are for, screw being tied to the wall :)
09:12 < _cheerios> how long do batteries on modern laptops last these days? this one simmered down in 2½hrs or so
09:18 < trophaeum> 5hrs
09:19 < trophaeum> for macbookpro 15"
09:36 < Arme[N]> huomenta
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09:43 < E_mE> hello fellow agavians... I'm back from all my journeying :)
09:43 < E_mE> i hope everyone has been well ...
09:44 < E_mE> huomenta!!
09:57 <@Wombert> hai
09:59 < E_mE> i was in your part of the world not 2 weeks ago Wombert... in Koln that is
09:59 <@Wombert> heh
09:59 <@Wombert> I'm back in Munich again though
10:00 < E_mE> ah you finish your project?
10:00 <@Wombert> anyway, we should have met for a beer
10:00 <@Wombert> nah, we're still working on that stuff (it's not really _one_ project), but mostly from Munich
10:00 < E_mE> jah, damn :(  ... could of geeked my GF out =P
10:01 < E_mE> maybe one day when i appear in munich.. which i plan to visit in the future :)
10:02 < E_mE> hope its all going well with the project"s" hehe
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10:31 < shoan> Wombert: what is a good way to implement form tokens  to prevent CSRF?
10:42 < Wombert> a good question, shoan
10:42 < Wombert> you could do it by hand
10:42 < Wombert> or you could write a filter that automatically inserts tokens into forms
10:42 < Wombert> and stores them in the session
10:42 < shoan> can you give me an outline on how the filter would work?
10:43 < Wombert> like FPF
10:44 < Wombert> load response HTML with DOM
10:44 < Wombert> find all forms
10:44 < Wombert> insert an hidden input with the token
10:44 < Wombert> store the token in  the session
10:44 < Wombert> done :)
10:47 < Wombert> then add a validator everywhere that checks the token for validity
10:47 < Wombert> you could do that via an XInclude or by giving each validation xml a "parent"
10:48 < Wombert> or, of course, by
10:48 < Wombert> a) registering the validator in your base action registerValidators()
10:48 < Wombert> b) validating the token by hand in your base action validate() method
10:51 < shoan> cool
10:51 < shoan> thanks
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11:04 < trophaeum> omg i hate people who call iso documents utf8 -_- iv got a million errors because of it
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13:09  * MikeSeth pokes Wombert 
13:09 < Wombert> hum?
13:09 < MikeSeth> tell me
13:10 < MikeSeth> d'ya think it'd be possible to use the routing classes separately, inside the application?
13:11 < Wombert> eh
13:11 < Wombert> how do you mean
13:11 < MikeSeth> Wombert: well. Imagine a traffic accounting application. you get /click/foo/bar/etc/etc/etc/etc
13:12 < MikeSeth> basically the structure after click/ would be quite complicated and, albeit handled by the same action, may be interpreted in a radically different fashion depending on settings, parameters, campaign etc
13:12 < MikeSeth> so, it makes sense to use routing to parse a partial request path
13:12 < MikeSeth> question is: can it be done?
13:12 < Wombert> callback?
13:13 < MikeSeth> noo, a separate invokation of routing, conditional, much later on. its not actually using routing for the application, just using it internally to do application domain stuff
13:13  * Wombert shudders
13:13 < Wombert> I, er, I'm not sure :p
13:19 < MikeSeth> ill try it
13:19 < MikeSeth> could be very nice.. this is of course something completely specific to what im doing and in no way a general purpose task
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15:33 < RossC0> Anybody else not very impressed with the JQuery UI ?
15:33 < RossC0> or is it just me !
15:39 < digitarald> its slow
15:40 < digitarald> did i miss the latest ajaxian ad?
15:40 < digitarald> ah, yeah
15:40 < digitarald> of course they are a lof of widgets
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15:49 < RossC0> digitarald: I tried them and they didn't work - safari 3b
15:50 < RossC0> and the magnifier was soo slow
15:50 < RossC0> But they will do well as they'll have one repo for all the plugins
15:50 < digitarald> the magnifier is the fastest fisheye menu i know ...
15:50 < digitarald> ... with the only problem: cross browser :)
15:51 < RossC0> I'm going to try in FF
15:51 < digitarald> and I don't see a reason why they are all in the UI plugin repo
15:51 < digitarald> they can all be in the plugin forge they have
15:51 < digitarald> table sorting, magnifier, resizer ... all in one repo named UI ... makes their plugin repo useless
15:52 < RossC0> yup - its faster in FF
15:52 < RossC0> and yes - well they want the markety
15:52 < RossC0> -y
15:52 < digitarald> those are not an UI
15:52 < digitarald> they do not play together
15:54 < digitarald> but that they are slow in safari 3 ... don't know how they can do that, since safari3 is so freakin fast :D
15:54 < RossC0> well they have their scriptaculous now
15:55 < RossC0> the gallery reminds me of something
15:55 < RossC0> o yeah the mac gallery
15:56 < RossC0> tis nice
15:56 < RossC0> but bust in safari
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16:02 < digitarald> url?
16:03 < digitarald> RossC0, url for the gallery?
16:04 < RossC0> http://dev.jquery.com/view/trunk/plugins/ui/apps/gallery_advanced/
16:05 < digitarald> that view/ action, is that a trac plugin?
16:06 < digitarald> mh, that zoom is not good
16:06 < digitarald> it should take the parent size into account
16:06 < digitarald> oh, they really copied the mac gallery
16:08 < digitarald> i have written a nice cloud plugin for such image zooms
16:08 < digitarald> just have to make an example page
16:11 < digitarald> omg ... scroll down the gallery and the zoomy thingy goes crazy
16:12 < digitarald> but its a nice prototype
16:12 < digitarald> slow, but nice
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17:26 < _cheerios> http://www.hyscience.com/archives/Iran's%20War%20Against%20America.gif
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19:24 < _cheerios> Another Chinese man has died after spending three days in an internet cafe for an online gaming marathon session. << NOOB!
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22:40 < Wombert> mh
22:41 < Wombert> zimbra sold for 350 million 
22:41 < Wombert> not bad
22:58 < impl> considering it's utter crap
22:58 < impl> yeah
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04:29 < Arme[N]> Huomenta! :)
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07:14 < RossC0> Huomenta!
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07:18 < _cheerios> huomenta :)
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07:57 < v-dogg> hey Chuck 
07:58  * v-dogg hugs Chuckwalla 
07:58 < v-dogg> and I get nothing back?
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07:58 < v-dogg> muahaha
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08:21 < shoan> v-dogg: you are evil :p
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08:34 < E_mE> Huomenta!
08:37 < E_mE> has anyone had the probelm with $_ENV[] not return data.. only returning array(0) { } ....
08:38 < v-dogg> agavi might empty it
08:38 < v-dogg> var_dump($ENV) before you start agavi
08:39 < v-dogg> if agavi does empty it, use $rd->getEnv('name');
08:39 < Wombert> it doesn't actually
08:39 < E_mE> no with agavi... just plain via php-cli
08:39 < Wombert> and there is no get<env!
08:40 < v-dogg> k
08:40 < E_mE> ive asked in ##php with little success... thought one of you guys might know
08:44 < _cheerios> make a proper http request and it'll be filled
08:45 < E_mE> but its a CLI script for outlook signatures
08:45 < E_mE> it worked before the network was re-setup with SBS
08:46 < E_mE> and $_EVN is ment to retreive the console data such as SERNAME% etc
08:46 < E_mE> %\USERNAME\%
08:53 < Wombert> is it in $_SERVER?
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08:54 < E_mE> apprently i've got an empty enviroment
08:55 < E_mE> ah!! Wombert it is
08:55 < E_mE> your right!
08:55 < E_mE> weird behaviour?!?!!?
08:56 < RossC0> lawl
08:56 < E_mE> the stupid thing was it was working until a month ago or so...
08:57  * E_mE slaps windows!
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09:06 < Whisller> hi
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09:20 < RossC0> heh Whisller
09:21 < _cheerios> is there a way to check if the user object (session_data) has been tampered with (eg. added a role, or anything into the user's session) in the sessionstorage? This information would help at sessionWrite() stage.
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09:28 < _cheerios> currently the same session data is updated on every request, even when no changes have occurred. i don't care that much for the timestamp to be uptodate.
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--- Log opened Tue Sep 18 09:41:54 2007
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09:42 < _cheerios> would need an event listener for setAttribute(), or summit
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09:49 < _cheerios> current db stats show 10.71% updates out of all queries. this change could knock that number down heavily.
09:52 < Whisller> digitarald: has mootools.net page like "Why mootools?"
09:53 < digitarald> "Because!"
09:53 < digitarald> maybe this can help u: http://clientside.cnet.com/wiki/mootorial/00-whatisit
09:53 < digitarald> especially the abstract
09:54 < Whisller> hmm Because, is it in first page :>
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10:05 < Whisller> digitarald: I don't see it
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10:10 < digitarald> Whisller: the first paragraphs
10:10 < digitarald> but we do not write why mootools is better than any special library ... we'll not join the framework war ;)
10:10 < digitarald> (but we are better than others :P )
10:12 < Whisller> digitarald: Yes, but why You are better :P I must show list my bos ;)
10:12 < Whisller> *lists
10:12 < Whisller> *list ;)
10:15 < RossC0> ok any load testing gurus here?
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10:19 < _cheerios> are you writing an article?
10:20  * RossC0 wondering if there is a good app that will allow scriptable paths through my site, including handling post data
10:20 < RossC0> _cheerios: I don't have time to write articles!
10:21 < digitarald> Whisller: any special frameworks to check against?
10:22 < digitarald> or is it just "Why MooTools" and not "Why Moo and Not *, *, *"
10:24 < Whisller> digitarald: We must chose framework for JS. I want mootools, other people are saying prototype someone else jsQuery. And we'll be have interview and everyone of us must say "We we should us it"
10:25 < digitarald> ok ... when u'll have the meeting?
10:25 < Whisller> wednesday I think
10:26 < Whisller> hmm it is tomorrow O.o
10:31 < digitarald> ok
10:35 < RossC0> Whisller: +1 for MooTools you know the dev's.
10:35 < RossC0> Thats a big help ;)
10:37 < Whisller> hehe
10:39 < Whisller> RossC0: I must add it to my list ;)
10:41 < Whisller> coda editor sucks :/
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11:06 < digitarald> Whisller, can u pastie your current list?
11:11 < Whisller> Yes but it is in polish language, wait.
11:16 < Whisller> digitarald: http://cpaste.com/2756 but it is small :)
11:17 < digitarald> take the text from the front page
11:17 < digitarald> MooTools code respects strict standards and doesn't throw any warnings. It's well commented and has meaningful variable names: a joy to browse and a snap to understand.
11:17 < digitarald> MooTools is a compact, modular, Object-Oriented JavaScript framework designed for the intermediate to advanced JavaScript developer. It allows you to write powerful, flexible, and cross-browser code with its elegant, well documented, and coherent API.
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11:18 < Whisller> ok
11:18 < digitarald> that gives u several arguments
11:21 < digitarald> the second part is a good argument against other frameworks which use 1-char varnames ... ;)
11:23 < Whisller> hehe
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13:16 < RossC0> Wombert - re _cheerios session stuff
13:16 < RossC0> would implementing a cache to check writes again be worthwhile?
13:16 < RossC0> i.e. http://pastie.caboo.se/private/hij6vm2otr7tno24bui5tg
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13:22 < RossC0> ah no wombert!
13:22 < RossC0> lol
13:22 < RossC0> Wombert Read the logs! ;)
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13:39 < _cheerios> anyone got into delicious private beta?
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14:01 < _cheerios> snicker @ old couple fighting next door
14:05 < _cheerios> mmm.... season 3 of prison break
14:05 < kaos|work> ah, they started yesterday, didn't they ?
14:05 < kaos|work> yay
14:05 < kaos|work> finally :]
14:13 < RossC0> ah kaos|work what you think about _cheerios db session db writing saving idea ?
14:13 < RossC0> something along the lines of: http://pastie.caboo.se/private/hij6vm2otr7tno24bui5tg
14:15 < kaos|work> sounds good
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14:21 < kaos|work> while such a thing should probably moved out of the implementing facilities
14:21 < kaos|work> but i'm quite busy right now
14:24 < digitarald> kaos|work, u forgot my validator ticket :(
14:27 < kaos|work> nope, i didn't forget it
14:27 < kaos|work> i just didn't have a single minute to look at it :s
14:27 < kaos|work> i'm back in munich since 2 weeks and haven't even managed to clean my desk
14:29 < digitarald> ordnung ist das halbe leben ;)
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14:30 < kaos|work> yeah ... i just removed the upper dust layers from 5 month and got back to work *g*
14:31 < _cheerios> don't worry kaos, if you're busy, i'll watch Prison Break for you and brief you on what happens in about 40mins!
14:31 < kaos|work> :D
14:31 < kaos|work> dont ;)
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15:31 < MikeSeth> prison break is out?!
15:33 < MikeSeth> *clicky*
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15:57 < E_mE> chow for now 
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15:58 < Whisller> WTD from eclipse doesn't support php?
15:58 < Whisller> *WST
15:59 < Whisller> tfu wtp
15:59 < Whisller> rotfl ;)
16:04 < _cheerios> huh. wth with s0301, did i miss the finale of s02 -- this doesn't fit in :D
16:04 < _cheerios> huh? what doesnt do, what, Whisller ?
16:07 < kaos|work> _cheerios: i saw that 15 min preview thingy
16:07 < kaos|work> at it did fit :P
16:07 < kaos|work> you probably missed the finale
16:07 < kaos|work> where michael got put into panamas jail
16:08 < _cheerios> yeah, i have missed that.
16:09 < _cheerios> last ep i saw was with him returning to the boat and the fbi guy stole his ride
16:09 < kaos|work> i think you missed the last 2 eps then
16:09 < kaos|work> or just the last one
16:14 < _cheerios> yer, wikipedia confirms i didn't watch the finale
16:16 < _cheerios> two eps intead of one it is today then
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19:25 < _cheerios> yer, makes sense now... having seen the friggin' s2 finale
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21:29 < Wombert> that's for you, _cheerios 
21:29 < CIA-11> david * r2076 /branches/0.11/src/routing/AgaviRouting.class.php: moved loading of configuration file to extra loadConfig() method that can be overwritten to load, for instance, subdomain-specific rules or so
21:29 < _cheerios> i get presents?
21:29 < Wombert> didn#t you need that teh other day
21:30 < _cheerios> i can barely remember what was in my mind 30 seconds ago.
21:30  * _cheerios hugs Wombert 
21:33 < CIA-11> david * r2077 /branches/0.11/src/config/AgaviConfigHandlersConfigHandler.class.php: small optimization, 11 percent performance gain, wohoo!
21:33 < _cheerios> 11%? that'll show. good job!
21:36 < CIA-11> david * r2078 /branches/0.11/src/agavi.php: check for PHP 5.1.3 as minimum version, refs #456
21:37 < CIA-11> david * r2079 /branches/0.11/src/config/AgaviFactoryConfigHandler.class.php: minor optimization
21:39 < CIA-11> david * r2080 /branches/0.11/src/core/Agavi.class.php: comment fix
21:40 < Wombert> _cheerios: actually, no ;)
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21:40 < CIA-11> david * r2081 /branches/0.11/ (41 files in 13 dirs): 1001 whitespace/newline/indent/braces/standards fixes
21:40 < Wombert> it's like 2ms => 1.8ms or so
21:40 < Wombert> very minor since that only loads a large array
21:41 < Wombert> the factories optimization also improves that part of the code by roughly 5% but...
21:41 < _cheerios> we'll get to a whole millisecond soon enough!
21:41 < Wombert> it's 1/5000 of the time that is spent in that include :p
21:41 < Wombert> so you won't notice there xD
21:41 < Wombert> but I was on a long train trip today and had time to do some benchs etc
21:42 < Wombert> and go over files to see if I could spot stuff right away
21:42 < Wombert> first thing I focused on was improve the runtime code generated by cfg handlers
21:42 < Wombert> but they're very, very much optimized already, not much to gain there
21:44 < Wombert> but now
21:44 < Wombert> Prison Break S03E01!
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22:27 < Wombert> hi kaos|work 
22:27 < Wombert> err
22:27 < Wombert> Kodeart
22:27 < Wombert> :)
22:27 < Wombert> welcome to Agavi
22:33 < Kodeart> heya Wombert
22:34 < Wombert> so you're from macedonia, huh?
22:35 < Kodeart> that's very correct. and how did you find that hehe
22:36 < Wombert> cool, first user from there I think
22:36 < Wombert> well, the first one to come to the channel anyway
22:36 < Wombert> mh, ripe.net told me ;)
22:36 < Kodeart> ah
22:37 < Kodeart> so you guys are all devs here?
22:39 < Kodeart> i'm looking for a nice, fast, light, clean, mean, lean and kinda easy to work with framework. is Agavi something like that?
22:40 < Wombert> it is nice, it is clean, it is mean, it is lean and once you learned it, it's also easy
22:41 < Wombert> it is not particularly lightweight, but also not too heavy either; in particular, it does not try to solve problems that do not belong to the domain of a framework
22:41 < Wombert> i.e. there is no template engine bundled, just "drivers" (renderers) for various template engines including "normal" PHP templates
22:41 < Wombert> also no helpers that generate form tags for you or so
22:42 < Wombert> it is also not fast if by fast you mean as fast as a collection of home-grown scripts
22:42 < Wombert> like all frameworks, it comes with massive overhead
22:43 < Kodeart> but hopefully not as Symphony
22:43 < Kodeart> or Zend thing
22:43 < nfq> Hey Wombert, how's lif
22:43 < nfq> e?
22:43 < Wombert> usually that's something people accept when choosing a framework because they get a lot in return that makes up for the performance hit ;)
22:43 < nfq> Where you hanging at the moment?
22:43 < Wombert> oh I'm in switzerland
22:43 < Wombert> and you?
22:43 < Wombert> :>
22:44 < nfq> me too! hehe.. want a drink sometime?
22:44 < nfq> ok, kindergarten!
22:44 < Wombert> depends on where you are
22:44 < nfq> hehe..
22:45 < Kodeart> Wombert: thanks, appreciated. that was really good intro ;)
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22:50 < nfq> hey Kodeart: Wombert just lost connection. He said he'd chat further with you tomorrow!
22:50 < nfq> Hope that's cool..
22:53 < Kodeart> aye
23:00 < nfq> good.. Scottish?
23:02 < Kodeart> nope, macedonian
23:02 < nfq> ah, cool! One doesn't read 'aye' allot! 
23:02 < Kodeart> and that was an old WoW habbit
23:02 < nfq> ah
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05:14 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:49 < _cheerios> :p huomenta
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07:22 < RossC0> huomenta!
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07:26 < _cheerios> script sites are wierd... "BUY FACEBOOK MEMBER SIGNUP TECHNOLOGY... $97!... FREE UPDATES!" etc.
07:26 < _cheerios> lo RossC0 
07:27 < RossC0> lo _cheerios - btw did you put something to delete _cached items in your session storage
07:28 < _cheerios> the cache isnt being written anywhere, just in memory for the session. does it need to be deleted?
07:30 < _cheerios> adding memcache support for the read part would need delete support on any writes
07:31 < _cheerios> from sessionStorage -> CachedSessionStorage -> MemcacheCachedSessionStorage ;-)
07:31 < RossC0> _cheerios: yes, for completeness - in theory you could delete an item
07:31 < RossC0> then add it again but it wouldn't get rewritten in the db
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07:33 < _cheerios> what kind of caching were wombert+impl talking about in the logs? was it for the filecache used now?
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07:37 < _cheerios> update% (of all queries) is down from 10.7% -> 6.8%, if one day's stats are any good as an indicator 
07:37 < _cheerios> will know better in a week or so
07:39 < RossC0> _cheerios: when where they talking?
07:39 < _cheerios> some days ago
07:39 < RossC0> anyone want an invite to lunarr.com?
07:41 < _cheerios> that yours?
07:42 < RossC0> nope just have 50 invites
07:43 < _cheerios> Portland, OR 97223 << yer, guess not
07:45 < _cheerios> they sure like to pat themselves on the back in their press release
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07:48 < _cheerios> i watched the video clips. all of them. couldn't get me interested. i'll pass.
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07:52 < RossC0> _cheerios: I signed up just to figure out what they were!
07:52 < RossC0> Document collaboration basically
07:52 < RossC0> but quite nice ui etc..
07:52 < _cheerios> with a flip!
07:52 < RossC0> the flip is awesome
07:53 < _cheerios> "so you do document collaboration like companies x,y,z.... what's great about you?"
07:53 < _cheerios> "WE FLIP!"
07:53 < _cheerios> it went from documen view to the email view, right? :)
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07:59 < _cheerios> problem with these things is they break down unless everyone uses the same software
08:00 < _cheerios> if you suddenly shoot an email/IM on some platform, talk about document X, it doesn't get logged -- while it should.
08:02 < RossC0> _cheerios: yes but heh its free and if you integrate into your company then it can be valuable - like basecamp etal
08:05 < _cheerios> http://labs.systemone.at/retrievr/
08:06 < _cheerios> free alone is not good enough
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08:22 < RossC0> kaos|work: you might know this is there anyway to incorporate the View name in the cache dir structure
08:22 < RossC0> so that you cache different things for different views
08:31 < RossC0> brb meetings :-/
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09:02 < trophaeum> anyone else have those days where you just want to say to the boss 'consider this my notice'?
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09:09 < _cheerios> im having a "slow-server...wtf-is-going-on" day
09:09 < RossC0> Wombert: Huomenta! got time for a qq ?
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09:10 < trophaeum> my boss doesnt realize it yet but today has made me come to the conclusion that im quitting within the month
09:10 < Wombert> very qq, RossC0!
09:10 < RossC0> cool
09:10 < RossC0> s there anyway to incorporate the View name in the cache dir structure
09:10 < RossC0> ?
09:10 < RossC0> :D
09:10 < RossC0> -s +is
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10:47 < shoan> huomenta!
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12:33 < Wombert> RossC0: it does in fact IIRC
12:33 < Wombert> one of the last subdirs is the view name
12:33 < Wombert> or it's action name + view name or so
12:33 < Wombert> IIRC
12:33 < Wombert> if not, that'd be a bug
12:33 < Wombert> will check later
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15:02 < E_mE> huomenta 
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15:48 < E_mE> in the sample loginAction.php ... its called $this->getContext()->getUser()->login(foo,bar);  where is the login stored?
15:48 < E_mE> the login function
15:49 < shoan> securityuser
15:50 < shoan> E_mE: sorry 
15:50 < shoan> the user stuff is in http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/samples/app/lib/user/AgaviSampleAppUser.class.php
15:51 < E_mE> ah yet.. thanks
15:51 < E_mE> yes*
15:51 < E_mE> sorry
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15:52 < E_mE> does the user/ need to be configred in autoload or so?
15:53 < shoan> if you need override user, then yees
15:58 < E_mE> bye all and thanx shoan
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19:11 < MrJeep_> anyone wanna give his impression on this :
19:11 < MrJeep_> this is early development
19:11 < MrJeep_> http://mrjeep.dyndns.org:81/Project/Web/Pichostr/pub/
19:11 < impl> damn that's 2.0
19:12 < MrJeep_> yeah, it is
19:12 < impl> drop shadows, '-r' in the name, rounded buttons, obsessive gradients
19:12 < impl> you've got the whole deal
19:12 < impl> :D
19:12 < MrJeep_> hehehe :)
19:12 < impl> looks good though
19:12 < MrJeep_> i don't really like the -r in the name
19:13 < MrJeep_> but available domain name are hard to find these days .
19:13 < impl> yeah :\
19:14 < MrJeep_> but I'm proud of my upload file :)
19:14 < MrJeep_> works with FF2 and IE7 at this point (didnt test anything else)
19:14 < impl> Is it just a JS overlay?
19:14 < MrJeep_> yes
19:14 < impl> I tried to select it and change the text and was like 'wtf'
19:14 < impl> pretty cool :P
19:15 < MrJeep_> thnx :D
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21:49 < MrJeep_> does the form looks... loaded too much ? http://mrjeep.dyndns.org:81/Project/Web/Pichostr/pub/
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03:04 < shoan> huomenta!
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07:17 < RossC0> huomenta
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07:22 < _cheerios> huomenia
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07:54 < _cheerios> http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/19/playspan-run-12-year-old-ceo-gets-65m-in-venture-capital/ ;)
08:03 < RossC0> cool thanks
08:03 < RossC0> that'll go on our internal blog :D
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08:12 < MikeSeth> nomnomnomnomnom
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08:18 < RossC0> http://www.stephenfry.com/blog/?p=3
08:22 < MikeSeth> is it just me, or one of the pictures is an iphone depicting a naked child
08:22 < MikeSeth> <Pedobear> i has an iphone
08:23 < _cheerios> is that a long post, or is that a long post
08:23 < RossC0> I think its a michelangelo  painting!
08:28 < _cheerios> heh @ pedobear
08:29 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: /b/rother?
08:29 < _cheerios> reminds of the old van pic with FREE CANDY painted on the side
08:31 < MikeSeth> hehehe
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08:44 < Whisller> hi
08:48 < MikeSeth> hi
09:10 < Whisller> RossC0: thanks :)
09:10 < RossC0> no worries
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10:20 < Kodeart> goodday
10:22 < RossC0> g'day
10:24 < v-dogg> day
10:25 < _cheerios> howdy
10:26 < v-dogg> Kodeart: first time here?
10:27 < v-dogg> welcome
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11:32 < _cheerios> how did one listen on a select w/doctrine, to turn eg. a $timestamp into date('m.d.y',$timestamp) before using it?
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11:42 < E_mE> huomenta!
11:47 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: I think there's native casts
11:48 < MikeSeth> Doctrine_Expression or something?
11:58 < E_mE> i've fot "Too many execution runs have been detected for this context" 
11:58 < E_mE> got
11:59 < E_mE> im trying to create a default template for a new project
11:59 < E_mE> ah!
12:00 < v-dogg> you are loading the default layout in a slot
12:01 < E_mE> i think i need to put some code in one of the PHP files to handle layers properly
12:01 < v-dogg> the default layout which contains all the slots. and then in (some of) those slots you load it again and then again
12:02 < v-dogg> you can use container's 'is_slot' parameter to avoid this
12:02 < E_mE> thats it in setupHtml() function
12:03 < v-dogg> yup
12:03 < v-dogg> in your base view
12:05 < E_mE> fixed... thanx :)
12:05 < v-dogg> if ($layoutName == null && $this->container->getParameter('is_slot')) { $layoutName = 'simple';
12:05 < v-dogg> }
12:05 < v-dogg> in setupHtml
12:06 < E_mE> yep i got that but the condition is the other way round =P
12:06 < v-dogg> that's acceptable :)
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12:08 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, when you do an execute(), how to read the result (it's just a single row) without using foreach?
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12:09 < MikeSeth> ->getFirst()
12:09 < _cheerios> ah, ace.
12:10 < MikeSeth> :>
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12:28 < shoan> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/09/microsoft-reveals-windows-vista-sp1-will-install-xp.html
12:36 < Wombert> so you're all switching over to the doctrine camp now?
12:36 < Wombert> huh?
12:36 < Wombert> YOU CHEEKY TRAITORS!
12:39 < v-dogg> :)
12:39  * v-dogg is still using propel
12:39 < Wombert> HA!
12:39  * Wombert hugs v-dogg 
12:39 < Wombert> see, that's the spirit
12:40 < v-dogg> but I have to say, propel is falling behind fast
12:40 < _cheerios> v-dogg forgot to mention he hangs out in #doctrine ;)
12:40  * shoan agrees with v-dogg 
12:40 < v-dogg> inactive development, lousy docs and so on
12:40 < v-dogg> too hard to install and get started
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12:41 < Wombert> true
12:41 < Wombert> WHAT
12:41 < Wombert> v-dogg!
12:41 < Wombert> YOU THOUGHT I WOULDN'T FIND OUT HUH?
12:41  * Wombert packs a gun
12:41 < Wombert> GET OUT OF MY FACE
12:41 < v-dogg> hey! I'm spying!
12:41  * Wombert starts crying
12:41  * Wombert runs away
12:41 < Wombert> I'll, eh, grab lunch
12:42 < Wombert> I love you all :)
12:42 < Wombert> laters
12:42 < Wombert> ->
12:42 < v-dogg> see ya
12:42 < v-dogg> crazy germy
12:42 < MikeSeth> kekeke
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15:26 < E_mE> can i call a LoginAction from a IndexAction if i'm not an authenticated user?
15:26 < E_mE> or what is the function for it?
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15:26 < RossC0> E_mE set isSecure in the IndexAction
15:26 < RossC0> and / or do hasCredentials check
15:29 < E_mE> and inside execute() in the IndexAction do i have "Return 'Login';" ?!
15:29 < E_mE> ot will it automatically do it?
15:30 < Wombert> no
15:30 < Wombert> if the action is "secure", then agavi will automatically forward to the login action internally
15:30 < E_mE> i dont have a LoginSuccessView ?!?!
15:31 < Wombert> eh?
15:31 < Wombert> well you should have LoginInput actually :p
15:31 < Wombert> look at the sample app
15:32 < E_mE> no LoginInput either...in default/view/  but ill look at sample :)
15:32 < RossC0> yup the sample app has ze php voodoo
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15:57 < E_mE> chow for now :)
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16:38 < _cheerios> mm.. dollar record low against euro... mm... amazon is becoming so tempting
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16:44 < Wombert> doctrine users
16:44 < Wombert> heeeeelp
16:45 < _cheerios> we are not zombies :|
16:46 < _cheerios> doctrine has got to be the worst name choice. a google search will tell one why.
16:46 < Wombert> no no no but
16:46 < Wombert> is doctrine database cool?
16:46 < Wombert> is it ready for inclusion in agavi?
16:47  * Wombert slaps MikeSeth 
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17:28 < _cheerios> the database class RossC0 submitted works fine, Wombert 
17:29 < Wombert> _cheerios: yes but I'm adding stuff
17:29 < Wombert> to that
17:29 < Wombert> that one cannot handle multiple connections for instance
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17:42 < MrJeep> hi everyone
17:46 < _cheerios> Wombert, k. I've just been re-calling them as needed. I noticed you can also save them to named vars.
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17:51 < Wombert> I'll add that, _cheerios 
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18:22 < Wombert> I see a problem with ross' implementation
18:22 < Wombert> _cheerios: do I need to do $context->getDatabaseConnection('tehdoctrine'); before I can use it?
18:23 < _cheerios> i think so, he doesnt load a connection in initialize()
18:23 < Wombert> k
18:23 < Wombert> I'd set up all connections in initialize() then
18:23 < Wombert> so you can go use it right away
18:23 < Wombert> and getConnection() just gives you the connection based on name
18:24 < Wombert> that should work
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19:55 < MrJeep> hey wombert
19:55 < MrJeep> how are you ?
19:55 < Wombert> hai dude
19:55 < Wombert> ah, adding doctrine support to agavi right now
19:55 < Wombert> quite tricky
19:56 < MrJeep> nice, would you rate doctrine above propel ?
19:56 < MrJeep> or it's not exacly the same thing ?
19:56  * impl ponders considering Wombert's association with Propel
19:56 < impl> :p
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19:56 < Wombert> uh
19:56 < Wombert> no comment
19:56 < Wombert> :p
19:57 < MrJeep> hehe ok
19:58 < MrJeep> could you take a look at the site I'm working on ? http://jeep:81/Project/Web/Pichostr/pub/ (still in very early dev)
19:59 < MrJeep> tested with FF2 and IE
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20:00 < MrJeep> arg
20:00 < MrJeep> wrong address
20:00 < MrJeep> http://mrjeep.dyndns.org:81/Project/Web/Pichostr/pub/
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20:26 < Wombert> looks damn nice, MrJeep 
20:26 < Wombert> but as I told you before, I think the name is not good
20:26 < Wombert> I always read "picho" first in the domain name
20:27 < ttj> Yeah.
20:27 < ttj> I thought it was Picho Star or something.
20:27 < Wombert> and mind you it's difficult to do this upload thing
20:27 < Wombert> with the browse button
20:27 < Wombert> eh
20:27 < Wombert> WTF
20:27 < Wombert> how do you do that xD
20:27 < Wombert> W
20:27 < Wombert> T
20:27 < Wombert> F
20:27 < Wombert> ace!
20:27  * Wombert hugs MrJeep 
20:28 < Wombert> but yes, find a bettername for it
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20:31 < MrJeep> hehe ok:P
20:31 < MrJeep> thanks a lot for the comments
20:31 < MrJeep> :D
20:32 < impl> MrJeep: the browse button and JS overlay for the file input doesn't work in Konqueror
20:32 < MrJeep> :S
20:32 < MrJeep> any specific error ?
20:32 < impl> nope... just shows the input box
20:32 < MrJeep> ahh, some browser have problem with selectors
20:33 < MrJeep> like, mootools selector
20:33 < MrJeep> Safari 2 has this problem too
20:33 < impl> hmmh, they are based on the same code
20:33 < impl> (Konqueror and Safari)
20:33 < MrJeep> it make sense then
20:34 < MrJeep> and I have no idea why the selectors are not working
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20:47 < _cheerios> array('oops' , $value); <-- how can that give no error
20:48 < _cheerios> ah, took it out of context. mixin's :|
20:48 < _cheerios> had array('a' => 1, 'b' => 2, 'c' , 3); and was wondering why 'c' didn't reqister
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20:56 < CIA-11> david * r2082 /branches/0.11/src/database/ (3 files): Added getName() method to AgaviDatabase, closes #572 (and minor comment cleanup as well)
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22:04 < Wombert> laterfs
22:04 < Wombert> -f
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22:33 < nfq> hey Wombert..
22:33 < Wombert> hai
22:33 < Wombert> open wifi for the win
22:34 < nfq> ah, cool
22:34 < nfq> how's doctrine?
22:37 < Wombert> looks ace!
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22:42 < nfq> excellent!
22:42 < nfq> Glad to hear it.. did you driver work?
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01:23 < MrJeep> jeez, finding a good domain name is hard
01:24 < MrJeep> since most people I speak of "Pichostr" are not too much thrilled
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07:31 < _cheerios> huomenta!
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07:45 < digitarald> Huomenta!
07:45 < RossC0> Huomenta!
07:46  * RossC0 ambushes digitarald
07:46 < RossC0> :D
07:51 < _cheerios> is it possible to give the template (eg. IndexSuccess.php) as a string in the view?
07:52 < RossC0> you mean set the template based on a var?
07:53 < _cheerios> yep
07:53 < _cheerios> not the location, but the contents itself
07:53 < RossC0> you mean output var not a template?
07:53  * RossC0 still digging
07:54 < _cheerios> like IndexSuccess.php wouldn't play a part in the whole deal, instead in the view $this->setTemplate($template); and the attributes are applied to that
07:58 < RossC0> _cheerios: you want to use multiple templates?
07:58 < RossC0> I'm not sure what you are after!
07:58 < _cheerios> just to load the template dynamically, instead of having it in a fixed location
07:59 < v-dogg> I think what you need is a custom renderer
07:59 < v-dogg> hmm... or a template layer (overriding current file template layer stuff)
08:00 < RossC0> well  $this->setTemplate($template); is ok
08:00 < v-dogg> unless he doesn't load it from a file but contruct it dynamically
08:01 < _cheerios> I've used this before $this->getLayer('content')->setTemplate('SearchInput');, but instead I'd pass the contents at this stage.
08:03 < v-dogg> this should be fairly easy but might require you to use a custom rendering stuff
08:03 < v-dogg> then again, I remember wombs going on about some stream stuff so everything you need might be there already
08:04 < v-dogg> have a look at and tell us what you find :)
08:08 < RossC0> _cheerios: I'm still not sure what you are after
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08:11 < RossC0> btw I have closed down my blog and now I tumble!
08:11 < _cheerios> I'll have some code in components, that have their own templates (perhaps nested too). I'd do $t = $component->template(); $this->setTemplate($t); (this would be our IndexSuccess.php, without necessarily having one) and then render that
08:12 < _cheerios> easier to put in a few lolcatz inbetween the serious stuff, RossC0 ?;)
08:12 < RossC0> <3 tumblr!
08:14 < _cheerios> "Also, each layer is represented by a class, usually AgaviFileTemplateLayer, but there is a generic AgaviStreamTemplateLayer class that allows you to fetch templates from databases, via HTTP, through SSH tunnels or even from inline strings using data:// streams! And implementing a custom layer that reads templates from a database, without writing a PHP stream wrapper, is possible, too, and very easy to do!" our cheery Agavi docs
08:14 < v-dogg> yeah, this is what I remembered
08:18 < _cheerios> seems it was rolled out with 0.11 http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/msg/fb399c270b4782e6
08:18 < _cheerios> will look into it. i have this tendecy to query up things a long time before i actually do them :)
08:19 < RossC0> lol
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08:35 < _cheerios> how do i forward from within a callback? i placed a credentials check into a callback... dunno if that is the totally wrong place, to check for basic credentials within the parent route before going any further.
08:38 < _cheerios> in the View there's the usual return $this->container->getResponse();
08:39 < _cheerios> the callback has public function onMatched(array &$parameters, AgaviExecutionContainer $container)
08:39 < _cheerios> but $container is empty
08:40 < _cheerios> usually a callback returns true/false, but that keeps the request flowing onwards and instead i'd need it to stop and head to secure/login.
08:42 < v-dogg> why do you do this in a callback when there's a built-in mechanism for this in action?
08:43 < _cheerios> well, instead of typing the same check for each action, i can set an umbrella callback for everything in one go
08:44 < _cheerios> then each action can futher specify any more fine-grained credentials
08:44 < v-dogg> I'd use a base actions and " return parent::getCredentials() + 'this.and-that; "
08:45 < _cheerios> ah, yeah, you did that in the CMS with the admin section. hmm, true.
08:46 < _cheerios> it's nice, but more work than a single callback would be.
08:47 < _cheerios> less changes, less errors etc :D
08:49 < _cheerios> then there was the code_templates for the AdminAction, though. true. Forgot about those.
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09:08 < _cheerios> there's always header() :p
09:08 < E_mE> huomenta!
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09:48 < Wombert> hai
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10:03 < Wombert> new users!?
10:03 < Wombert> welcome to Agavi, mmware 
10:03 < Wombert> welcome to Agavi, Goleo[06] 
10:03 < Goleo[06]> Wombert: hi yes
10:03 < Wombert> you're from iran, too?
10:03 < Wombert> cool
10:04 < Wombert> armen is pulling users here :> nice
10:04 < Wombert> your nickname is the name of the 2006 world cup mascot, you know that? ;)
10:04 < Goleo[06]> Wombert, u know armen? and u?
10:04 < Wombert> and finally an italian user!
10:04  * Wombert pokes mmware 
10:04 < Wombert> yeah sure he's an agavi user
10:04 < Wombert> I'm from Germany
10:04 < Wombert> but currently I'm sitting in Switzerland
10:04 < Wombert> which is also very, very nice
10:05 < Wombert> and the girls! oh my...
10:05 < mmware> wombert: Hi 
10:05 < Goleo[06]> Wombert, how do u know that i'm armen's cousin
10:05 < mmware> "user" is a big word for me ;)
10:06 < Wombert> Goleo[06]: I don't
10:06 < Wombert> but
10:06 < Wombert> you're in #technotux and in #isfahanlug
10:06 < Wombert> ;)
10:06 < Goleo[06]> Goleo[06]: in my user didn't say that i related with armen
10:07 < Goleo[06]> Wombert.oH okkkk
10:07 < Wombert> and your IP address is iranian ;)
10:07 < RossC0> and all he said is: armen is pulling users here :> nice
10:08 < Goleo[06]> Wombert,oh yea okok
10:08 < RossC0> anyway welcome!
10:09 < Wombert> :)
10:09 < Goleo[06]> Wombert, I start tu learn php and armen said me that after that u must learn agavi and ... and i said OK armen
10:09 < Goleo[06]> sorry for my gramer
10:09 < Wombert> hehe
10:09 < Wombert> but yeah, learn php really well first
10:09 < Wombert> and
10:09 < Wombert> if I may give some advice
10:09 < Wombert> build some stuff first without a project
10:09 < Wombert> completely on your own
10:10 < Wombert> so you get a feeling for what "normal" php development is like
10:10 < Goleo[06]> i learn php with sample code 
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10:16 < mmware> Wombert: i am not an agavi user yet, just cheking out, actually I plan to start using doctrine, i see you are in that channel too
10:32 < _cheerios> prototype seems so strange after using mootools for a while, i can't even find setProperty(x,y) equivalent
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10:44 < digitarald> its writeAttribute i think
10:49 < Wombert> prototype is still pretty ace tho
10:49 < Wombert> very complete
10:50 < Wombert> I love all the array and hash and list stuff
10:50 < Wombert> digitarald: you using doctrine aye?
10:50 < digitarald> yes
10:51 < Wombert> AgaviDoctrineDatabase is coming in a couple of minutes
10:51 < Wombert> wanna test?
10:51 < digitarald> k ... I currently use my customized class from the ticket
10:52 < digitarald> Prototype does not have Array generics or the native array methods from 1.6, thats why MooTools is a bit better ;)
10:53 < digitarald> I really have to write a review about the new Hash from 1.2 ... shiny
10:53 < digitarald> brb, i'll test then
10:54 < Wombert> mkay
11:09 < RossC0> hmm removeCookie doesn't kill a cookie
11:10 < RossC0> shouldn't it set it to false and expire it?
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11:19 < E_mE> why is it required to have this line of code inside my slot views: $this->getLayer('content')->setSlot('menu', $this->createSlotContainer('Default', 'Menu'));
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11:21 < v-dogg> E_mE: it's not, you can do that in output_types.xml
11:22 < E_mE> thought so :)
11:22 < E_mE> it got it setup in my output_type.xml already
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11:23 < E_mE> i tried to copy it across to my new project and i got an error stating the same slot/layer is being called to many times
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11:23 < _cheerios> what's the best practice for setting up form submits, that only require an action (simple setters), and then forward back to the page where it was called from?
11:28 < digitarald> i redirect to gen(null) in success
11:29 < digitarald> if that helps :D
11:33 < _cheerios> i could use method, like http://p.caboo.se/private/r8sighzs5vrvj1nhnktg
11:34 < _cheerios> but iirc, people screamed murder! on this :D
11:35 < v-dogg> woot, why doesn't agavi set my 301 http status code
11:36  * v-dogg smacks agavi
11:36 < _cheerios> there's plenty forms where i'd add dumb ajax setters, that change a single/many values, and then report status + (forward back, if conventional POST). Creating whole actions for these just bloats my setup :<
11:36 < v-dogg> Do as you are told, bitch!
11:38 < v-dogg> aaa, setRedirect overwrites my code
11:39 < v-dogg> there
11:42 < E_mE> what file is it that allows me to use RBAC security?
11:42 < E_mE> to enable it that is
11:43 < v-dogg> factories.xml
11:44 < v-dogg> and rbac_definitions.xml (the name can be overridden with a parameter in factories.xml) for the definitions
11:44 < v-dogg> see the sample app for more
11:45 < Wombert> v-dogg: you can give a code to setRedirect
11:45 < v-dogg> yeah, found that thanks
11:47 < v-dogg> there, the new company site is technically ready for the release
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11:48 < v-dogg> now that the 404ErrorAction has old-url-to-new-url mappings :)
11:48 < v-dogg> very cool
11:50 < v-dogg> wanna see? 
11:50 < v-dogg> anyone?-)
11:50 < Wombert> eh?
11:51 < v-dogg> the site
11:51 < v-dogg> http://demo.ecomwebi.fi:8080/
11:52 < E_mE> i'm geting this error?!?!  
11:53 < E_mE> class vinoRbacAppUser extends AgaviRbacSecurityUser { }
11:53 < E_mE> Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/segilive/app/lib/user/vinoRbacAppUser.class.php:5) in /usr/share/php/agavi/exception/templates/shiny.php on line 92
11:53 < v-dogg> and what on vinoRbacAppUser.class.php:5?
11:54 < v-dogg> something echoing a warning or a notice perhaps?
11:54 < E_mE> its my security class
11:54 < E_mE> here checkout http://81.168.18.2:1515/segi/
11:55 < v-dogg> it says "output started at /var/www/segilive/app/lib/user/vinoRbacAppUser.class.php:5" 
11:55 < E_mE> Wombert: another positive for Agavi, i'm currently developing the works new intranet with it :)
11:55 < v-dogg> so what do you have there
11:55 < v-dogg> line 5
11:55 < E_mE> nothing, just " }"
11:56 < Wombert> E_mE: cool
11:56 < Wombert> E_mE: blank lines at the beginning or end
11:56 < E_mE> removed the blank lines
11:56 < E_mE> now its only on one line
11:57 < E_mE> check the link again
11:57 < Wombert> nah
11:57 < Wombert> class vinoRbacAppUser extends AgaviRbacSecurityUser {}
11:57 < Wombert> there's <?php missing :p
11:57 < Wombert> obviously
11:57 < Wombert> <?php and ?> at the end
11:57  * E_mE SLAPS MYSELF!!!
11:58 < E_mE> jesus christ i can be such a pleb at times
11:58 < Wombert> ahahaha
12:02 < _cheerios> $r = $table->findByDql('user = ?',array($user)); $r->user = 'Teppo'; $r->save() <--- does not work
12:02 < _cheerios> $r = $table->find(5); $r->user = 'Teppo'; $r->save() <--- does work
12:02 < _cheerios> doctrine is wierd.
12:04 < _cheerios> need to add ->getFirst() after the findByDql() for the first one to work.
12:04 < Wombert> sounds like a bug!?
12:04 < _cheerios> find() returns a  row
12:04 < Wombert> report it!
12:04 < _cheerios> findByDql() returns a collection
12:04 < _cheerios> it's just how they've made it
12:04 < _cheerios> it makes sense, but it's confusing at first :)
12:06 < E_mE> it not automatically redirecting to Login???
12:07 < v-dogg> ???
12:07 < v-dogg> !!!
12:07 < v-dogg> ?!?
12:08 < v-dogg> what does it do then?
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12:08 < E_mE> do i need to put an initilize function into my vinoRbacAppUser class for getCreditals() to be effective?
12:08 < E_mE> it allows access to the page
12:08 < v-dogg> do you load the definitions and grant a role and does your action require credentials?
12:09 < v-dogg> and is your action secure
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12:09 < v-dogg> probably not
12:09 < CIA-11> david * r2083 /branches/0.11/src/database/ (AgaviDatabase.class.php AgaviDatabaseManager.class.php): Added startup() method to AgaviDatabase, called during AgaviDatabaseManager::startup(), closes #573
12:09 < E_mE> so do i need to write isSecure() and getCredital()??
12:09 < v-dogg> of course, how would agavi otherwise know what to do?
12:10 < E_mE> does isSecure() need to return a value?
12:10 < v-dogg> true or false
12:10 < E_mE> i thought it would see getCredital() and check for RBAC rights
12:10 < v-dogg> what rights?
12:10 < v-dogg> what would it check?
12:10 < E_mE> look at the RBAC definitions
12:11 < v-dogg> you need to return what credentials are required to access the action
12:11 < E_mE> and see the page im trying to access requires authuser permission
12:11 < v-dogg> e.g. return 'admin.upload_file'
12:11 < CIA-11> david * r2084 /branches/0.11/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:11 < CIA-11> AgaviDoctrineDatabase first prototype, refs #381. This will connect to doctrine
12:11 < CIA-11> for you automatically (lazy connecting!) and hopefully also manages multiple
12:11 < CIA-11> connections. getDoctrineManager() gives the manager, getResource() gives the PDO
12:11 < CIA-11> connection, getConnection() will give the doctrine connection object. The latter
12:11 < CIA-11> two cause doctrine to connect. connect() does nothing. Enjoy. Table/Connection
12:11 < CIA-11> mapping is coming next. Add "Doctrine" class to your autoload.xml for maximum
12:12 < E_mE> ohhh Doctrine :)
12:12 < E_mE> thanxs v-dogg you are always and endless wealth of knowledge :)
12:13 < v-dogg> you do realize that you need rbacuser only if you have multiple users with different roles, don't you?
12:13 < E_mE> yes
12:13 < v-dogg> ok
12:13 < E_mE> i will be having different functions for different departments
12:14 < Wombert> cool
12:14 < E_mE> its just ive been working so hard recently at work i've had little time for agavi :'( and my understanding is filtering away
12:14 < _cheerios> sweet Wombert, I'll steal that connection switch part :D
12:14 < v-dogg> lazy connecting doesn't work with sqlite
12:14 < E_mE> i need to draw some kind of map that shows what configuration files need to be setup for certain features
12:14 < Wombert> sure?
12:15 < v-dogg> Wombert: at least it didn't last time I tried
12:15 < v-dogg> I opened a ticket, lemme see if it's been fixed
12:15 < Wombert> v-dogg: if ross' driver worked for you, this one will too
12:16 < Wombert> oh fuck I didn't give him credit in the commit message
12:16 < Wombert> darmn
12:16  * Wombert hugs RossC0 
12:16 < v-dogg> Wombert: it didn't
12:16 < Wombert> oh
12:16 < v-dogg> but it was a doctrine bug
12:16 < Wombert> k
12:17 < v-dogg> http://doctrine.pengus.net/trac/ticket/440 <- fixed they claim
12:18 < Wombert> _cheerios: may I ask why you're using that custom code of yours
12:18 < _cheerios> i use it in place of AgaviModel
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12:22 < _cheerios> i had little need for $context in my models. could always pass in vars / use required classes, when needed.
12:22 < Wombert> I don#t understand
12:23 < E_mE> eekkk im getting Generated path likes /blah/index.php/login
12:23 < Wombert> can you do $user = new User();
12:23 < Wombert> $user->save()
12:23 < Wombert> in your actions
12:23 < _cheerios> sure
12:23 < Wombert> but
12:25 < _cheerios> i use rossco's doctrine database within agavi. for models i use that custom code i showed you, so they also work standalone when im not in agavi context.
12:25 < Wombert> aaaah
12:25 < Wombert> k
12:26 < Wombert> how do I connect to mysql with user/pw
12:26 < Wombert> and just a DSN
12:26 < _cheerios> mysql://user:pass@localhost/database
12:26 < Wombert> got it
12:26 < Wombert> ty
12:26 < Wombert> is that gonna use pdo then?
12:26 < _cheerios> yes
12:33 < Wombert> wtf
12:33 < Wombert> Notice: Undefined property: AgaviDoctrineDatabase::$connection in /Users/dzuelke/Sites/inmysuitcase/trunk/libs/agavi/database/AgaviDoctrineDatabase.class.php on line 128
12:33 < Wombert> it's in the friggen AgaviDatabase!
12:36 < v-dogg> E_mE: check your .htaccess
12:36 < Wombert> that's in shutdown
12:36 < Wombert> wtf
12:37 < E_mE> :) thanx
12:37 < Wombert> w
12:37 < Wombert> t
12:37 < Wombert> f
12:37 < RossC0> wazzup ?
12:37 < Wombert> ( ! ) Notice: Undefined property: AgaviDoctrineDatabase::$connection in /Users/dzuelke/Sites/inmysuitcase/trunk/libs/agavi/database/AgaviDoctrineDatabase.class.php on line 128
12:37 < Wombert> that's in a shutdown func
12:37 < Wombert> is that after object destruction?
12:37 < Wombert> oh noes
12:37 < Wombert> but why doesn't that notice appear in the PdoDatabase
12:41 < Wombert> what
12:41 < Wombert> the
12:41 < Wombert> hell
12:41 < Wombert> shutdown is called twice
12:42 < Wombert> wtf wtf
12:42 < Wombert> bug alarm!
12:43 < Wombert> oh bloody feck
12:44 < v-dogg> woot woot woot
12:44 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/574
12:44 < _cheerios> in true friday afternoon spirit
12:44 < Wombert> so stooopid
12:44 < Wombert> I knew I should have rewritten the database stuff from scratch at some point :p
12:46 < RossC0> lol
12:46 < RossC0> :)
12:46 < Wombert> so stupid
12:46 < Wombert> it does $this->databases['default'] = $dbobj;
12:46 < Wombert> SUCH A NONSENSE
12:46 < _cheerios> heh heh
12:49 < E_mE> if i've got a menu slot, how can i hide its existance if i'm not logged in
12:49 < E_mE> and when im logged in, it will show up in the slot as normal
12:50 < v-dogg> set it up dynamically in your base view
12:50 < v-dogg> or use $user->isAuthenticated() in the menu action
12:51 < E_mE> the isAuthenticated sounds better, thanx :)
12:51 < v-dogg> return $this->context->getUser()->isAuthenticated() ? 'Success' : null;
12:51 < v-dogg> in execute()
12:52 < E_mE> :) much apprisated
13:00 < _cheerios> Wombert, about the routing.xml, does it support namespaces? Say I have two Agavi projects. Could I load the other projects routing.xml, and use it normally? eg. $ro->ns('project2')->gen('home') ?
13:00 < _cheerios> (with urls naturally being absolute)
13:01 < Wombert> no
13:01 < Wombert> you could have a route named "yay"
13:01 < Wombert> with an empty pattern
13:02 < Wombert> xinclude the other routing xml (the necessary parts) in there
13:02 < Wombert> then gen('yay.home');
13:02 < _cheerios> hmmk, something for the future then.
13:04 < CIA-11> david * r2085 /branches/0.11/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed default database handling, closes #574
13:05 < CIA-11> david * r2086 /branches/0.11/src/database/AgaviDoctrineDatabase.class.php: null instead of unset. you know, just in case ;)
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13:25 < CIA-11> david * r2087 /branches/0.11/src/core/AgaviContext.class.php: oh me so stupid. refs #574
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13:54 < _cheerios> Mrjeep: p.i.c.h.o.s.t.r.com !
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14:09 < Wombert> pic.hostr.com
14:09 < Wombert> or so
14:09 < Wombert> but those are all taken I imagine
14:09 < Wombert> anyone tested the AgaviDoctrineDatabase yet
14:10 < RossC0> yup
14:10 < RossC0> hai
14:10 < RossC0> ok Caching
14:11 < RossC0> We must M-U-S-T have like yesterday a new feature on ze site!
14:11 < RossC0> They want a 'Welcome Box' which welcomes new users to ze site
14:11 < RossC0> It creates a cookie that determines whether or not to display the box
14:12 < RossC0> Works fine without Caching but with no joy.
14:12 < RossC0> So question what happens to sending cookies for cached pages?
14:13 < RossC0> I'm setting them ok in View Initialize and clearing the cache but no joy the new cookies aren't set
14:13  * RossC0 nudges Wombert - still awake :D
14:13 < RossC0> that make sense?
14:14 < Wombert> re
14:15 < Wombert> of course you can set cookies
14:15 < Wombert> not in init
14:15 < Wombert> do it in exec
14:15 < Wombert> and in the local response
14:15 < Wombert> $this->getResponse()->setCookie('name', 'value', '+14 days');
14:15 < MrJeep> hostr.com allready taken
14:15 < MrJeep> but I liked the idea 
14:16 < Wombert> about that
14:16 < Wombert> I told you before I know
14:16 < RossC0> ?
14:16 < Wombert> but I think you underestimate the work behind a video/photo sharing site
14:16 < Wombert> RossC0: does that work?
14:16 < Wombert> it should
14:16 < RossC0> exec isn't run for cached pages
14:16 < Wombert> doesn't matter
14:17 < Wombert> the cookie will be stored in the cache
14:17 < Wombert> and restored later
14:17 < Wombert> with the same lifetime
14:17 < Wombert> we're talking about Agavi, remember ;)
14:17 < RossC0> yeah it does - because I can't change the cookie
14:17 < Wombert> why do you need to change it
14:17 < RossC0> so that I can hide some content
14:18 < Wombert> I don't get it :p
14:18 < Wombert> why do you want to change the cookie
14:18 < Wombert> you always want to set it, right
14:19 < RossC0> yup - but I need to determine if its been set - so that I can invalidate the cache
14:19 < Wombert> no, why
14:19 < Wombert> just make a cache group with the cookie
14:19 < Wombert> one cache has the box
14:19 < RossC0> I can do taht?
14:19 < Wombert> the other doesn't
14:19 < Wombert> yes
14:19 < RossC0> *that
14:19 < RossC0> how :D
14:19 < Wombert> <group source="request_data" namespace="cookies">cookiename</group>
14:19 < Wombert> or global_request_data
14:19 < RossC0> zomg - that like solves the whole issue in one big wallop
14:19  * RossC0 hugs Wombert
14:19 < Wombert> :)
14:19  * RossC0 hugs Wombert again!
14:20 < RossC0> Wooooooot!
14:20  * Wombert leans back and watches the excitement
14:20 < RossC0> ok I'll implement and then I'll really WOOT
14:20 < Wombert> hahaha :)
14:22 < RossC0> hmm
14:22 < RossC0> can I determine the path as well?
14:22 < RossC0> or is that too much?
14:22 < RossC0> :D
14:23 < Wombert> the cookie path?
14:23 < Wombert> no
14:23 < RossC0> ha well
14:23 < Wombert> can you do that with php? :p
14:23 < Wombert> well you could parse the cookies by hand using $_SERVER['HTTP_COOKiES']
14:24 < RossC0> wait - I may be being stuuupppid here
14:24 < RossC0> but if I have 3 sections all with a welcome cookie attributed to them
14:24 < RossC0> if I'm in /section/one which has a cookie welcome with the path /section/one
14:25 < RossC0> will this work: <group source="request_data" namespace="cookies">welcome</group>
14:33 < E_mE> bah the first really Web developer job in Cornwall for ages and the gits require 4 years experiences :'(
14:33 < _cheerios> be very convincing at the job interview.
14:34 < E_mE> RossC0: Does your company ever consider people that don't have 4 years experience if stated??
14:34 < _cheerios> AJAX, ye-say? Did you know I partly co-invented that wa-hoopla? Yes, it all began in a usenet discussion back in 1983...
14:35 < E_mE> _cheerios: yeah... but i dont feel confient enough to bombard them with information
14:36 < E_mE> maybe i'll apply and state I will not require as much money as they are offering for the post ;)
14:36 < E_mE> that might tempt them ;)
14:37 < _cheerios> And remember to stare at the guys at the company like they're idiots. Gives you huge cred.
14:37 < E_mE> hehehe
14:37 < E_mE> or just smack them in the face
14:37 < E_mE> they the won't fuck with me ;)
14:37 < _cheerios> na, that's just plain wrong.
14:37 < E_mE> that will give me big street cred
14:38  * E_mE slaps _cheerios ... respect me NOW!
14:39 < _cheerios> good, good. all that hand-waving will make you lose pounds, as i read most ppl in UK can hardly get off their couches.
14:39 < E_mE> I aint english ;)
14:40 < _cheerios> bonus points for being fit in interviews.
14:40 < E_mE> well i aint fit.. though i do like cycling
14:40 < Wombert> have to say
14:40 < Wombert> _cheerios cracks me up at times
14:40 < RossC0> E_mE: yes
14:41 < RossC0> I've worked with lots of people with 4+ years experience
14:41 < Wombert> RossC0: did you finish the question?
14:41 < RossC0> and they were shite
14:41 < RossC0> Wombert: I think so:D
14:41 < E_mE> RossC0: I might ask you for tons of advice if i get an interview =P
14:41 < E_mE> beware
14:41 < Wombert> then I don't get it :p
14:42 < RossC0> I thought as much
14:42 < RossC0> I'm answering it now :D
14:42 < E_mE> RossC0: you heard of JJFOX?
14:43 < Wombert> oooh I love switzerland
14:43 < Wombert> the wasabi peanuts here have like three times the amount of wasabi on them
14:43 < Wombert> ace
14:44 < RossC0> E_mE: nope
14:46 < E_mE> im going to apply for it :)
14:46 < E_mE> i get new holiday in Oct ;)
14:46 < E_mE> so i can book days off again for holkiday
14:54 < _cheerios> Wombert, i asked something similar earlier, but is it possible to have method="" use the result of a pattern match, eg. ="^/(action:edit|delete|update)" ?
14:54 < Wombert> you really shouldn't abuse the methods like that
14:55 < _cheerios> It's only for simple setters, and could work ok for crud.
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14:55 < Wombert> but yes, I think you can do that
14:55 < Wombert> just do method="${action}"
14:58 < _cheerios> ok
15:00 < _cheerios> was ponderig about a magic class for single table crud, and how to tie it conveniently into agavi
15:00 < _cheerios> the usual friday nonsense
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15:06 < E_mE> is configPage() a new function??
15:06 < E_mE> ignore me
15:06 < E_mE> sorry
15:07 < RossC0> ROAR
15:07  * RossC0 hugs Wombert
15:07 < RossC0> All good
15:07 < RossC0> Cookies / Caching fixed
15:08 < RossC0> Migrated to AgaviDoctrineDatabase all good
15:08 < Wombert> yay
15:08 < Wombert> a good friday then
15:09 < MrJeep> wombert : www.imagehostr.com ?
15:09 < Wombert> I don't find the "hostr" thing overly creative to be honest
15:09 < Wombert> but yes, it is much better than pichostr
15:10 < MrJeep> I agree, I don't like to create a domain name based on the current "trend"
15:10 < MrJeep> but available names are so damn hard to find
15:10 < MrJeep> www.hugepileofpixelcrap.com ?
15:11 < RossC0> WAIT
15:11 < RossC0> 2tics
15:11 < Wombert> uh oh
15:11 < RossC0> I have a link that may help
15:11 < MrJeep> 2tics ?
15:11 < RossC0> oww why is del.icio.us soo sloooowww
15:13 < MrJeep> i wish I could find a name like "digg"
15:13 < MrJeep> but i need a lot more vocabulary
15:13 < E_mE> RossC0: how long you been writing Doctrine?
15:13 < Wombert> WHAT ROSS WROTE DOCTRINE ZOMG WOOT
15:13 < CIA-11> dominik * r2088 /branches/0.11/src/storage/ (4 files): 
15:13 < CIA-11> use null as default db name instead of default
15:13 < CIA-11> refs #574
15:13 < MrJeep> and I think I've overworked mswords's synonym function
15:13 < E_mE> didnt you RossC0... or am i hearing wrong
15:14 < RossC0> brb upgrade
15:14 < RossC0> more ram
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15:15 < E_mE> Wombert: is there anymore documentation on Agavi about?
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15:16 < E_mE> ah no. RossC0 is a developer for Doctrine... ::slaps self::
15:17 < Wombert> was just playing on your words, E_mE 
15:17 < E_mE> bully!
15:18 < E_mE> =P
15:19 < E_mE> Wombert: do you have any sort of map or grand plan on how all the aspects of Agavi links together??
15:19 < E_mE> like routing links to containers this way etc
15:20 < MrJeep> www.yaihs.com yet another image hosting service
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15:23 < RossC0> back I now have 1Gig of RAM
15:23 < RossC0> my company loves me!
15:24 < E_mE> :)  
15:25 < RossC0> right MrJeep I can't find the Ajaxy domain checker / suggestion tool
15:26 < MrJeep> no problem :P
15:26 < MrJeep> www.bagpic.com ?
15:27 < MrJeep> (I'm just brainstorming right now)
15:27 < E_mE> what does <layer name="content" /> represent? 
15:28 < MrJeep> dropository ?
15:28 < MrJeep> droposit
15:29 < RossC0> Huzzah!
15:29 < RossC0> http://www.bustaname.com/
15:29 < RossC0> :D
15:29 < RossC0> it always helps :D
15:29 < MrJeep> hehe thnx :D
15:29 < MrJeep> this is gold!
15:30 < Wombert> E_mE: nope
15:30 < Wombert> I think someone, v-dogg or so, once had
15:30 < MrJeep> damn, dropload.com is allready taken
15:30 < MrJeep> i like it, except it sounds soo m uch lik p0rn
15:30 < Wombert> E_mE: read the message thread about layers on the mailing list
15:31 < E_mE> :)
15:49 < MrJeep> paintsend.com ?
15:50 < MrJeep> emitbox ?
15:52 < MrJeep> globdrop
15:53 < E_mE> MrJeep you thinking of a name for a website that relates to pictures?
15:54 < E_mE> hissypix.com
15:54 < E_mE> or sypix.com
15:55 < MrJeep> what does hissy means ?
15:55 < E_mE> history
15:55 < E_mE> pictures are captions of history
15:56 < MrJeep> i like the idea
15:57 < E_mE> or histopic.com
15:57 < E_mE> hiscap.com
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15:59 < E_mE> laterz
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15:59 < MrJeep> picdeposit ?
16:00 < MrJeep> picdepot
16:02 < digitarald> quick problem ... getCurrentLocaleIdentifier returns an array, is something borked?
16:05 < digitarald> must be borked, its protected
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16:10 < _cheerios> whaaat.. no Naruto today? :(
16:16 < MrJeep> womgert, what about pixdeposit ?
16:16 < MrJeep> wombert*
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16:18 < MrJeep> what about udroppic
16:18 < _cheerios> iwontmatteranyway.com
16:19 < MrJeep> IWONTMATTERANYWAY.COM IS ALLREADY TAKEN
16:19 < MrJeep> :P
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16:20 < _cheerios> lies, it's free!
16:21 < _cheerios> ibledmyheartforthisdomain.com is free too
16:21 < MrJeep> heheheh
16:22 < MrJeep> picdeposit > pichostr ?
16:23 < _cheerios> pic in a domain name gets an automatic disqualification from me
16:23 < MrJeep> ok
16:24 < _cheerios> RossC0, I registered bustasite.com, will have it up later this year :)
16:24 < MrJeep> I'll have to think harder :P
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16:29 < MrJeep> how can you create an image hosting domain name without using pic, pix, picture, image
16:29 < MrJeep> jeez
16:29 < MrJeep> I wish I was drunk
16:43 < RossC0> good weekend
16:44 < RossC0> all :D
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17:05 < _cheerios> how disappointing no new anime releases for today
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17:06 < Wombert> oh come on
17:07 < Wombert> no setAttributes in doctrine
17:07 < Wombert> ...
17:07 < Wombert> that api needs some love
17:07 < _cheerios> im sure it does
17:08 < Wombert> doesn't
17:08 < Wombert> just setAttribute
17:11 < _cheerios> does too!
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17:14 < _cheerios> to work it is then, powered by red wine
17:18 < CIA-11> david * r2089 /branches/0.11/src/database/AgaviDoctrineDatabase.class.php: 
17:18 < CIA-11> support for setting attributes on a connection, use param "attributes" as an
17:18 < CIA-11> array (name => value like "AUTO_LENGTH_VLD", without Doctrine::ATTR_) and
17:18 < CIA-11> "bind_components", an array of component names to bind to this connection
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17:24 < Wombert> doctrine guys
17:24 < Wombert> what else would you like to see in the doctrine driver
17:40 < _cheerios> it does the same as the other drivers now, dunnit?
17:41 < splatch`> hello
17:41 < splatch`> :)
17:44 < _cheerios> hello splatty
17:56 < _cheerios> bleh @ '1' vs 1 vs "1"
18:00  * _cheerios misses routing in his standalone model
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18:12 < Fastly> hi guys, does anyone here know how to access the execution time value from within a template?
18:14 < Wombert> no
18:14 < Wombert> how could you know the execution time at that point
18:14 < Wombert> the stuff is still running
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18:34 < _cheerios> can't catch time!!!
18:38 < Wombert> hah!
18:38 < Wombert> woot
18:38 < Wombert> :>
18:38 < Wombert> idea idea idea
18:38 < Wombert> :>
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18:40 < Wombert> you know when like
18:40 < Wombert> mh
18:41 < Wombert> agavi assigns a class "error" to all your elements
18:41 < Wombert> in FPF
18:42  * impl slaps FPF
18:42 < Wombert> but input.error { border: 1px solid #F00; } is a no-no
18:42 < Wombert> since it's gonna do that for checkboxes and so on
18:42 < Wombert> and IE doesn't understand input.error[type=text]
18:42 < Wombert> soooooo
18:42 < Wombert> introducing
18:42 < Wombert> FPF
18:42 < Wombert> error_class_map
18:42 < Wombert> key: an xpath expression
18:42 < Wombert> value: teh class!
18:42 < Wombert> woot
18:43 < Wombert> <parameter name="error_class_map">
18:43 < Wombert>   <parameter name="input[type=checkbox]">error_lolz</parameter>
18:43 < Wombert> </parameter>
18:43 < impl> genius
18:43 < _cheerios> if you're playing with xpath, you could write that "search all forms, insert CSRF as hidden field with value=X" thingy too :p
18:44 < _cheerios> tho now saying that peaked my interest in trying some xpath. geez.
18:44 < _cheerios> should've kept quiet!
18:46 < Wombert> impl: would you happen to know in which PHP release DOMXPath::evaluate() was added
18:46 < impl> mmm
18:46 < impl> I can look in CVS if you want
18:46  * Wombert does
18:46  * Wombert hugs impl 
18:46 < Wombert> only if you have time!
18:47 < impl> I'm off for the weekend now
18:47 < Wombert> what
18:47 < Wombert> a weekend without computers?
18:47 < Wombert> have fun :)
18:47 < Wombert> I'm gonna use query() anyway
18:47 < impl> No
18:47 < impl> a weekend without school :P
18:47 < Wombert> ah
18:47 < Wombert> no learning?
18:48 < Wombert> homework?
18:48 < Wombert> duuude
18:48 < Wombert> sounds like PARADISE to me :>
18:48 < impl> my mom is making me go to a college fair
18:48 < impl> so not really
18:48 < Wombert> what's dat
18:48 < impl> it's where colleges try to advertise themselves so you apply there
18:49 < impl> I think it's retarded.
18:49 < Wombert> you're more than smart enough, you'll go to harvard anyway I assume
18:49 < Wombert> :>
18:49 < Wombert> if I was you
18:49 < impl> Revision 1.23 - (view) (download) (as text) (annotate) - [select for diffs]
18:49 < impl> Sun Oct 3 09:55:29 2004 UTC (2 years, 11 months ago) by rrichards
18:49 < impl> Branch: MAIN
18:49 < impl> CVS Tags: PRE_NEW_VM_GEN_PATCH
18:49 < impl> Changes since 1.22: +82 -43 lines
18:49 < impl> Diff to previous 1.22
18:49 < impl> add evaluate() method to support all xpath expressions
18:50 < impl> 2 years ago it was added
18:50 < impl> almost 3
18:50 < Wombert> I'd ask each of them how often one can see hot girl on girl actions at one of the numerous parties with free alcohol and drugs
18:50 < Wombert> and pick the best one based on that criteria
18:50 < Wombert> but that's just me
18:50 < impl> Dude, my mom is going to be with me :>
18:50 < Wombert> :p
18:50 < Wombert> uncool!
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19:13 < _cheerios> \o/ it works. damn that php dom docs left-menu is nasty to read
19:17 < Wombert> woot woot woot it wohohorks
19:19 < v-dogg> woot woot woot 
19:19 < v-dogg> what works?
19:19 < Wombert> fpf
19:19 < v-dogg> Microsoft Works?
19:20 < Wombert> assigns "error" to fields and lasbels that failed right
19:20 < v-dogg> (they are re-introducing it, did you hear?)
19:20 < Wombert> but you don't want that for <input type="checkbox" /> and <input type="file" />
19:20 < Wombert> easy to do with css but... that doesn't work in IE6
19:20 < Wombert> not cool
19:20 < Wombert> so
19:20 < Wombert> agavi can now do that
19:20 < Wombert> well, it can do it in a minute :p
19:20 < _cheerios> just a simple xpath to find a <form> and insert <input type="hidden" name="csrf" value="secret!"/>... though i didn't figure out yet how to support multiple forms
19:23 < _cheerios> oh yeah, heh, i was testing with invalid xhtml... no wonder :p
19:25 < _cheerios> http://p.caboo.se/private/4ydsh3ph4runrrumro8ptq
19:29 < _cheerios> or the symfony way $response->setContent(preg_replace('#(<form\b[^>]*\bmethod=(\'|")post\2[^>]*>)#i', '$1<input type="hidden" name="_csrf_token" value="'.md5($secret.session_id()).'" />', $response->getContent()));
19:29 < Wombert> bwhahaha
19:33 < impl> wshat the fuck
19:33 < Wombert> they are, obviously, running in the special olympics, impl
19:33 < Wombert> don't laugh at them
19:33  * impl laughs at special olympics anyway
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19:50 < _cheerios> Wombert, if using my own templates, what's the best way to load them? Give setTemplate absolute location? A stream (how) ?
19:50 < Wombert> eh?
19:51 < _cheerios> component A has its own template. I'd load that (in the View), and fill it with any variables as normal. IndexSuccess.php or whatever normal template would be empty.
19:53 < CIA-11> david * r2090 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php: Support for error class name maps, closes #575
19:55 < CIA-11> david * r2091 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php: removed test mapping, sorry
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20:17 < _cheerios> Wombie gimme some love, pointers to the dumb masses that I represent!
20:29 < Wombert> eh?
20:29 < Wombert> oh sorry
20:29 < Wombert> I don't get the question
20:32 < _cheerios> 08:14 < _cheerios> "Also, each layer is represented by a class, usually AgaviFileTemplateLayer, but there is a generic AgaviStreamTemplateLayer class that allows you to fetch templates from databases, via HTTP, through SSH tunnels or even from inline strings using data:// streams! And implementing a custom layer that reads templates from a database, without writing a PHP stream wrapper, is possible, too, and very easy to do!" our cheery Agavi docs
20:33 < _cheerios> it looks complex http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/msg/fb399c270b4782e6, but im now totally falling asleep by now
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21:03 < _cheerios> Committed revision 666. :smoke
21:03 < ttj> "Oh Carlito, I've heard of you man... You used to run smack with Rolando, right..."
21:09 < Wombert> _cheerios: what are you trying to do?
21:09 < Wombert> set a different template name or so?
21:10 < _cheerios> load a whole other template from a file, or stream it from a method
21:10 < Wombert> wait wait wait
21:10 < Wombert> what does load mean
21:10 < Wombert> so you have IndexSuccessView
21:10 < Wombert> and you don't want IndexSuccess
21:10 < Wombert> but FooBar
21:10 < Wombert> ?
21:10 < _cheerios> yep
21:10 < Wombert> (well, you get it... IndexSuccess.php => FooBar.php)
21:10 < Wombert> easy
21:11 < impl> ->setTemplate('FooBar') or something
21:11 < Wombert> $this->getLayer('content')->setTemplate('FooBar');
21:11 < Wombert> yes
21:11 < impl> yeah that :oD
21:11 < Wombert> $l = $this->getLayer('content');
21:11 < _cheerios> well, would need to be absolute paths atleast
21:11 < Wombert> yes
21:11 < Wombert> you can set absolute paths
21:11 < Wombert> it#s gonna detect that and then set the dir part as the template directory for you
21:11  * Wombert hugs Agavi
21:11 < Wombert> or
21:11 < Wombert> $l->setDirectory('/path/to/templates');
21:11 < Wombert> $l->setTemplate('lolz');
21:12 < Wombert> remember, the extension is grabbed from the renderer
21:12 < Wombert> unless you set it, of course
21:12 < Wombert> $l->setParameters(array('template' => '/absolute/path/to/dir/yay', 'extension' => '.txt'));
21:12 < Wombert> setTemplate() is actually __call() that calls setParameter()
21:12 < _cheerios> thing is, if agavi would do the 2nd run, i'd need the already once run template (which still has a few vars settable via agavi). setTemplate wouldn't cate for this.
21:13 < Wombert> explain again please
21:13 < Wombert> what second run
21:13 < Wombert> for the decorator?
21:13 < _cheerios> component A runs template FooBar, then gives it to View, which runs FooBar'd and gives contents to Decorator
21:13 < Wombert> or are you building the template dynamically?
21:13 < Wombert> why don't you use slots
21:13 < impl> What's a component?
21:14 < Wombert> or make a new exec container and run it and grab the response
21:14 < Wombert> much easier
21:14 < Wombert> yeah I was about to ask
21:14 < _cheerios> a model/component/api
21:14 < Wombert> sounds like PR nonsense
21:15 < Wombert> :>
21:15 < Wombert> sorry
21:15  * Wombert hugs _cheerios 
21:15 < impl> why are you having models run templates
21:16 < _cheerios> why not?
21:16 < Wombert> fugly
21:16 < Wombert> ?
21:16 < Wombert> :p
21:16 < impl> _cheerios: that's the whole point of MVC
21:17 < impl> you separate the model from the view from the controller
21:17 < impl> models should manipulate data, not display it
21:17 < _cheerios> that's why i used component. someone might make me bash my head on the table explaining MVC.
21:17 < impl> :D
21:17 < impl> did you?
21:18 < _cheerios> my components are like mini-"MVC's" of their own
21:18 < impl> Oh
21:18 < Wombert> OH, REALLY
21:18 < Wombert> AND YOU THINK THAT MAKES IT BETTER
21:18  * impl pokes Wombert in the eye
21:18 < Wombert> IT STILL KILLS KITTEN, REMEMBER?
21:19 < Wombert> ouch
21:20 < _cheerios> so, how did one set a template beyond that fileloader method?
21:20 < _cheerios> the streams were mentioned earlier
21:21 < _cheerios> about that __call, yeah, made it hard to find some things earlier in Agavi source :)
21:23 < Wombert> I'm not sure if you're going in the right directionthere, _cheerios 
21:23 < Wombert> if you write a template layer class or if you use streams
21:23 < Wombert> you simply grab templates from a different source
21:23 < Wombert> i.e. not from the file system, but via ftp or so
21:23 < Wombert> using an ftp stream wrapper
21:23 < Wombert> (php feature)
21:23 < _cheerios> i just need to get my head around how to call the very same template 1..2..3..n times
21:24 < Wombert> I don't get it still
21:24 < Wombert> why do you want that
21:24 < _cheerios> inheriting changes from previous stage, ofc
21:24 < Wombert> the template needs to be rendered again each time anyway!?
21:24 < impl> HIGHWAY TO HELL
21:25 < impl> I'M ON THE HIGHWAY TO HELL
21:25 < Wombert> or do you want to run the template once and use the output n times?
21:25 < _cheerios> if i dont have all the vars i need at any given stage
21:26 < Wombert> do you get it, impl?
21:26 < impl> No
21:26 < Wombert> I really don't, sorry :/
21:26 < impl> I don't think I understand your architecture at all, _cheerios 
21:26 < _cheerios> it can't be that strang :)
21:26 < Wombert> it is!
21:26 < Wombert> :>
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21:39 < Wombert> I'm calling it a day
21:39 < Wombert> bai!
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21:46 < _cheerios> sounds good
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04:44 < Arme[N]> Houmenta
04:44 < Arme[N]> s/Houmenta/Huomenta/ :)
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06:18 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:19 < ttj> Yo.
07:40 < shoan> huomenta
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08:20 < shoan> is it possible to install tidy on shared hosting? 
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08:47 < Wombert> hai
08:47 < Wombert> oO teh impl is up oO
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09:29 < Wombert> http://terrychay.com/blog/article/flights-of-fancy.shtml
09:29 < Wombert> that guy is pretty funny ;)
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09:36 < Wombert> oO eremit is alive!
09:36 < eremit> sure :D 
09:36 < eremit> heyja all 
09:36 < eremit> i'm alive all the time, but currently working on my diploma thesis ... 
09:38 < Wombert> ah
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10:02 < Wombert> zomg
10:02 < Wombert> getFirst() called on a record that has no results...
10:02 < Wombert> in doctrine
10:02 < Wombert> is not gonna throw an exception
10:02 < Wombert> instead returns false
10:02 < Wombert> how retarded
10:02 < Wombert> doctrine really needs a lot of love
10:25 < _cheerios> my doctrine records need a lot of love...
10:27 < _cheerios> that's one shitty canoe trip w/the russian, 6 go in, 2 come back.
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11:18 < _cheerios> heh @ "Do Your Work. Don't Be Stupid" -wallpaper
11:22 < bhoepp> could someone correct this validator? http://paste2.org/p/7406
11:28 < _cheerios> do you get bonus points for understanding the problem?
11:30 < bhoepp> yeah sure ;)
11:33 < _cheerios> this thing pops up every month or so. usually the answer lies somewhere along use of for=""
11:36 < bhoepp> thanks man
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11:39 < bhoepp> just wondered because there is a max_error property documented in the AgaviStringValidator class.
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11:47 < _cheerios> unfortunately agavi docs are pretty much #agavi and the irc logs 
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11:48 < JanK__> where can i find the irc logs?
11:49 < _cheerios> http://agavi.org/irclogs/
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11:56 < v-dogg> bhoepp: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/samples/app/modules/Default/validate/Login.xml
11:57 < v-dogg> <error for="max">Too long! ...
11:57 < _cheerios> i think wombert was supposed to setup somekind of "wiki" + comments for the docbook format they use for the manual, so ppl could contribute better to docs
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12:58 < _cheerios> in dept. of Wishful Thinking & Self Deception; "94% of university professors think they're better than their colleagues"
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15:13 < _cheerios> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44132000/jpg/_44132314_newwaitress_afp416b.jpg
15:13 < _cheerios> now that's a pretty sight
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15:50 < _cheerios> bacon, eggs and sausages coupled with extra black coffee \o/
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19:55 < Wombert> hai
19:55 < Wombert> good news!
19:55 < impl> good afternoon
19:55 < Wombert> I had some spare time on teh train
19:55 < Wombert> and FPF can now insert error messages into documents for you
19:55 < Wombert> :>
19:55 < impl> I am declaring FPF officially magic
19:56 < _cheerios> why would i want ERRORS INSERTED into my documents?
19:56 < Wombert> _cheerios: so the error messages are next to the form fields
19:56 < Wombert> and not at the top of the page
19:57 < _cheerios> so you applied rossco's patch to trunk?
19:57 < Wombert> nah, wrote my own
19:57 < _cheerios> aight, cool.
19:58 < Wombert> didn't have internets so...
20:05 < _cheerios> btw., when using absolute paths for setTemplate() it inserts .php to the end by default
20:07 < Wombert> yes
20:08 < Wombert> that's the default extension of the php renderer
20:08 < Wombert> setTemplate() with an absolute path internally just sets directory and template
20:08 < Wombert> ${directory}/${template}${extension}
20:09 < Wombert> that's the default pattern to lookup a template
20:10 < Wombert> I'll head home
20:10 < Wombert> bai
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20:23 < _cheerios> Nice webpage, lovely, cool design. buy viagra online buy viagra viagra xanax
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20:30 < Wombert> re
20:31 < nfq> Hey Wombert
20:31 < Wombert> hey duuude
20:32 < nfq> hey duuuude! Good trip?
20:32 < Wombert> yes
20:32 < nfq> cool.. Excellent week man!
20:32 < Wombert> no delays this time, and a relatively pretty girl next to me to chat to on the second train
20:32 < Wombert> yup, definitely
20:32 < nfq> Pretty girls always help!
20:34 < Wombert> always!
20:34 < Wombert> hope you guys are happy with what we achieved over the days
20:35 < nfq> Yes, very much.. I'll write you a feedback email soon.. but 99% perfect.. 
20:35 < nfq> I think we got allot done.. and both lads are inspired and ready to go.. 
20:36 < nfq> we already did some stuff after you left... and sorted the roadmap..
20:36 < Wombert> cool, glad to hear that
20:37 < nfq> dude, We know too much..
20:37 < nfq> One man, one decision, one desire..! 
20:38 < Wombert> we went
20:38 < Wombert> too far
20:38 < Wombert> !
20:38 < Wombert> :>
20:38 < nfq> hehe
20:38 < Wombert> ah yes, a good week it was indeed
20:38 < nfq> I am glad you agree.. It's best when every feels the same, motivation s much stronger then@!
20:40 < Wombert> :>
20:40  * Wombert pokes impl 
20:40 < Wombert> and _cheerios!
20:40 < Wombert> time for naming things
20:40  * impl unpokes himself and pokes Wombert 
20:40 < Wombert> hai
20:40 < Wombert> so
20:40 < Wombert> that FPF error lala thing
20:40 < Wombert> you do it like this
20:41 < Wombert> 				<parameter name="error_messages">
20:41 < Wombert> 					<parameter name="self::*"><![CDATA[<span>yay</span>]]></parameter>
20:41 < Wombert> 				</parameter>
20:41 < Wombert> clear so far?
20:41 < Wombert> actually
20:41 < Wombert> 				<parameter name="error_messages">
20:41 < Wombert> 					<parameter name="self::*"><![CDATA[<span>%s</span>]]></parameter>
20:41 < Wombert> 				</parameter>
20:41 < Wombert> for the message
20:41 < impl> in what class does self::* get put
20:41 < impl> or rather, what does it reflect
20:41 < Wombert> that's an xpath
20:41 < Wombert> the selector is always evaluated with the erroneous element as the reference node
20:41 < impl> Ohh.
20:41 < impl> I thought it was PHP :P
20:41 < Wombert> you can have 50 of those selectors
20:42 < Wombert> to cater for your special situations where one of the checkboxes in one of the forms is a little weird
20:42 < impl> Alright, sounds okay
20:42 < Wombert> cool
20:42 < Wombert> and
20:42 < Wombert> well
20:42 < Wombert> first thing
20:42 < Wombert> error_messages
20:43 < Wombert> that sux imo
20:43 < Wombert> second thing
20:43 < Wombert> you can have sth like this
20:43 < Wombert> 					<parameter name="self::*">
20:43 < Wombert> 						<parameter name="element"><![CDATA[<span>yay</span>]]></parameter>
20:43 < Wombert> 						<parameter name="position">before</parameter>
20:43 < Wombert> 					</parameter>
20:43 < Wombert> so the stuff is inserted before the matched position of the xpath... or "child"... default is "after"
20:44 < Wombert> do you understand the principle so far?
20:44 < Wombert> would you like a patch to play with
20:44 < impl> I think so
20:44 < Wombert> you can have many selectors
20:44 < Wombert> they're all tested against the erroneous field
20:44 < Wombert> if one matches
20:44 < Wombert> then that rule is used
20:45 < Wombert> and the match... it must be exactly one element... and the error description markup is inserted relative to that destination
20:45 < Wombert> so in the example above, the <span>yay</span> will be inserted as a sibling before the form field
20:45 < Wombert> k?
20:46 < impl> Okay
20:46 < Wombert> k
20:46 < impl> I think we should have "top" and "inside" too maybe
20:46 < Wombert> so first of all, you don't have to provide an html snippet
20:46 < Wombert> you can also give an array... that's then used as a callback...and called... it must return a domelement
20:46 < Wombert> just in case, you know :p
20:46 < Wombert> no, why
20:46 < Wombert> top is before the first child
20:47 < Wombert> and inside is... appendchild
20:47 < impl> well, inside would have to be like a textarea or something
20:47 < impl> you could change the text or something
20:47 < Wombert> eh?
20:47 < Wombert> remember, we want to show the error message :p
20:48 < Wombert> so that they are not at the top of the page, but instead below each form field or so
20:48 < Wombert> or do you mean you would like to fill a textarea with a value
20:48 < impl> fill the textarea with the error value or something
20:48 < Wombert> oO
20:48 < Wombert> wicked
20:48 < Wombert> need to think about that
20:48 < Wombert> ideally I'd like to find th elocation using xpath only but that doesn't work
20:48 < Wombert> you know, I mean the before/after/child thing
20:49 < impl> I was thinking about that
20:49 < Wombert> anyway
20:49 < Wombert> in
20:49 < Wombert> 					<parameter name="self::*">
20:49 < Wombert> 						<parameter name="element"><![CDATA[<span>yay</span>]]></parameter>
20:49 < Wombert> 						<parameter name="position">before</parameter>
20:49 < Wombert> 					</parameter>
20:49 < Wombert> "element" sucks
20:49 < Wombert> and anyway, "error_messages" sucks as well
20:49 < impl> "string" "value" ?
20:49 < Wombert> and
20:49 < Wombert> the thing I'm actually asking about
20:49 < Wombert> we also need a way to allow people to provide a container for messages
20:49 < _cheerios> is the element the form input being matched, or the error message to be inserteD?
20:50 < Wombert> because what you specify there is for one message only
20:50 < impl> a container ? to store all the errors?
20:50 < Wombert> the element is what is inserted, _cheerios 
20:50 < Wombert> impl: <p>%s</p> for each error
20:50 < Wombert> and a <div> where all those go
20:50 < Wombert> fields can have multiple error messages, remember
20:50 < impl> ohh.
20:51 < Wombert> so actually you'd need to provide only the location info for the container, and all errors would be inserted as childs there
20:51 < Wombert> that makes things complicated a little
20:51 < Wombert> or even worse :p
20:51 < Wombert> what if the container is already there
20:51 < Wombert> oh man
20:51 < impl> yes, and the container would have to have a <ul> in it
20:51 < impl> or else it would break
20:51 < impl> I mean, we should use <li>
20:51 < impl> not <p>
20:52 < Wombert> well that's up to the user
20:52 < Wombert> the container markup would be <div><ul></ul></div>
20:52 < Wombert> aaaah
20:52 < Wombert> you mean that
20:52 < impl> D:
20:52 < Wombert> zomg!
20:52 < Wombert> like
20:52 < Wombert> <div><span>lala</span><ul></ul></div>
20:52 < Wombert> and how do I know to use the ul, right
20:52 < Wombert> that's what you're saying
20:53 < impl> so we have to xpath the container too...
20:53 < impl> insane D:
20:53 < Wombert> well
20:53 < Wombert> the container could have %s
20:53 < Wombert> where all the errors go
20:53 < Wombert> we could do that
20:53 < impl> yuck :\
20:53 < Wombert> <div><span>lala</span><ul>%s</ul></div>
20:53 < Wombert> yes, you're right, it's yuck
20:53 < impl> in fact
20:53 < impl> what happens if they want the error to be in there twice?
20:54 < impl> for example
20:54 < impl> <li>%s</li><script>makeThisDivHandleError(%s)</script>
20:56 < Wombert> whoa
20:56 < Wombert> well
20:56 < Wombert> %1$s
20:57 < Wombert> :p
20:57 < Wombert> sprintf trickery
20:57 < Wombert> that would work
20:57 < Wombert> easy
20:57 < impl> D:
20:57 < Wombert> no, I think that's okay
20:57 < impl> Okay
20:58 < impl> isn't this a bit inconsistent with other stuff, though, like our template paths
20:58 < impl> which use that funny variable syntax
20:59 < Wombert> well okay we can use ${message} instead, sure
21:00 < impl> plus... like...
21:00 < impl> what if someone uses %d instead :P
21:00 < Wombert> bad luck? :p
21:00 < impl> but yeah, okay
21:00 < impl> so this container thing
21:00 < impl> is :s
21:00 < Wombert> yes
21:00 < impl> I'm not sure if this whole thing is a good idea
21:00 < Wombert> what
21:01 < Wombert> this error message thing?
21:01 < impl> Yeah
21:01 < Wombert> seriously it's soooo nice
21:01 < Wombert> because
21:01 < Wombert> you can control it from your view, remember
21:01 < Wombert> you do not have to configure it statically in the filters.xml
21:01 < Wombert> just set the attrib in that request namespace, and done
21:01 < Wombert> and with the xpaths you can really control it properly
21:02  * impl nods
21:06 < _cheerios> how about a json output/callback { [0] = {(input)id="", error=""}, ... }, so you can swoosh a cool YOU MADE AN ERROR, FOOL! animation, and then pinpoint the problem with some ûbercool web 2.0 effects. No need for agavi even insert the error, in this case (can do it via JS).
21:08  * impl blinks
21:10 < _cheerios> just, in case, you really want to make an impression. it's always nice to have the server-side do stuff, but there should be a way to notify the client of such events.
21:14 < Wombert> eh what
21:14 < Wombert> so you want that in the output you mean
21:14 < Wombert> well the fpf could have support for json-or-so one da
21:14 < Wombert> y
21:15 < Wombert> but yes, refilling forms in ajax is not trivial
21:15 < Wombert> a separate filter might be an idea, too
21:15 < Wombert> prolly the better idea anyway
21:15 < Wombert> I might just write that pretty soon
21:15 < Wombert> so it gives you back all fields and their values and their errors
21:16 < Wombert> that's what you're saying, aye?
21:16 < impl> so as long as we're generating HTML for people we can add helpers right?
21:16 < impl> :D
21:16 < _cheerios> yep
21:16 < Wombert> that would be a dedicated filter I think though
21:16 < Wombert> because you need
21:16 < Wombert> a) all that as json in the response or
21:16 < _cheerios> just if some JS guru wants to go further doing more magic, programming things beyond whay one could think.
21:16 < Wombert> b) that json injected into other json or
21:16 < Wombert> c) that somewhere in the html sent back or
21:16 < Wombert> d) that in a response header so the lib evals it
21:18 < _cheerios> isnt a+c the same? but yes, basically <script>nameForThisFormStuff = { some default format } </script>, which then a onDomLoadEvent() can work on.
21:20 < Wombert> and what if you want just the json in the response
21:21 < Wombert> impl: oh and also I want it to be so that the error messages it could not insert are put on a list
21:21 < _cheerios> who knows? it's a concept.
21:21 < impl> Wombert: a list where?
21:21 < Wombert> that you can then grab and still output in front of the form
21:21 < Wombert> in a request attribute
21:21 < Wombert> in the fpf ns
21:21 < Wombert> :>
21:21 < Wombert> I think that would be ace
21:21 < impl> O_O
21:22 < impl> This is soo complicated, there must be a more elegant way to do it
21:22 < Wombert> well of course you can also just have a "fallback"
21:22 < Wombert> like "from the element find me its form and then insert before that form"
21:22 < Wombert> easy
21:22 < Wombert> :)
21:22 < Wombert> yes, and better in fact me thinks
21:23  * Wombert ponders
21:23 < Wombert> yah prolly
21:24  * _cheerios chuckles
21:31 < Wombert> WHAT
21:31 < Wombert> ARE YOU LAUGHING ABOUT US NERDING ABOUT?
21:31  * Wombert kicks _cheerios 
21:34 < _cheerios> i couldn't. we've all been working 24/7, including that v-dogg guy.
21:35 < Wombert> what
21:35 < Wombert> oO
21:35 < Wombert> when
21:37 < Wombert> mh
21:37 < Wombert> burger king =>
21:37 < Wombert> (I'll become friggen fat sooner or later)
21:40 < _cheerios> that could make a good song made by The Hives
21:57 < _cheerios> "Today's problem is "user generated content". Not because it is user-generated, but because it's completely disorganized. In old media, you have editors who say, "This is good, people should see it.". Now, we have "Most Viewed" pages. If you remove human intervention from focus group studies and market research, you get "Most Viewed" — a system where the lowest common denominator of human interests are celebrated automatically; where the aggr
21:57 < _cheerios> egated whims of an uncoordinated mob dictate our cultural touchstones; where the mindlessness of strangers is rebranded as "collective intelligence."
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22:01 < nfq> hehe 'you are pointing out Vista's flaws, cancel or allow?'
22:01 < nfq> excellent mac add..
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06:37 < _cheerios> huomenta!
06:38 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:38 < _cheerios> made many commits already by today? don't tell me! i need to catchup then :p
06:40 < v-dogg> wooot
06:40 < v-dogg> I've written 1 line of code today
06:40 < v-dogg> and even that didn't work
06:44 < v-dogg> and now I got distracted by a small nappy overflow :)
06:45 < v-dogg> babycare table needed some cleaning
06:45 < v-dogg> joys of parenthood :)
06:47 < _cheerios> i got distracted by a lesbian movie torrent download, which i've scheduled for play after breakfast ;)
06:48 < v-dogg> haha
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08:46 < _cheerios> lesbian movies are so gay.
08:58 < MikeSeth> well, what's a man need in the mornin'? a breezer, a bacon, and sum lesbian movies
08:59 < v-dogg> why the hell doesn't my utf-8 encoded special chars show corretly in my ajax response?
09:00 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: oooh, Firebug time :D
09:00 < v-dogg> everything is utf-8, correct headers are sent and all I do is $('order').send({ ... update: mydiv}
09:02 < MikeSeth> oh... I dont know.. document's global character set is wrong?
09:02 < v-dogg> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
09:02 < v-dogg> I don't know what to look for anymore
09:03 < _cheerios> does the same content work fine when viewed as a normal page?
09:03 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: what does the HTTP response say about the document type and character set? 
09:04 < v-dogg> text/html; charset=UTF-8
09:05 < v-dogg> aah, got it. my ajax response was "<p>reponse</p>". I made it valid xhtml with doctypes and headers and now it works
09:06 < MikeSeth> happens ;)
09:12 < _cheerios> was $this->getContext()->getRequest()->getRequestData() being removed from initialize() (view+action), or will it be available in future still?
09:13 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: it should be available, but there's a fundamental problem with the whole request data access thing 
09:14 < _cheerios> im setting some routing vars in my BaseView, was wondering how to do it if all access is stripped
09:35 < v-dogg> what kind of routing vars? why do you use request data?
09:36 < _cheerios> like, $this->setAttribute('pageId',$this->getContext()->getRequest()->getRequestData()->getParameter('pageId'));
09:37 < v-dogg> is svn checkout "autonomous" i.e. can I copy the whole thing to another machine/location and continue working?
09:42 < v-dogg> uhm.. wtf.. svn operations on my desktop takes ages (checkout can take several seconds per file no matter what the file size) and I've always blamed my vpn for that
09:43 < v-dogg> but no I checked out a project with my laptop and it goes as fast as at work
09:47 < _cheerios> yes you can checkout the same thing to different machines and work from any
09:49 < v-dogg> copy the project folder around?
09:51 < _cheerios> never tried copying it, i just checkout the whole thing again wherever i work.
09:52 < v-dogg> duh, I know that :D
09:53 < v-dogg> but what I wanted to know can I just copy the whole checkout folder to a different location or will it break it
09:56 < _cheerios> quicker to try than ask such experiments ;)
09:56 < v-dogg> I did try and it did break :)
09:57 < v-dogg> but probably because hidden files and folders weren't copied
10:12 < _cheerios> Ich Bin Dein Gummibear
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10:47 < digitarald> hey ho
10:48 < digitarald> validator question ... why is my array empty after validition?
10:48 < digitarald> which argument i have to give to validate the array items?
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10:53 < digitarald> anybody?
10:58 < digitarald> eremit, Wombert??
10:58 < digitarald> MikeSeth?
11:08 < MikeSeth> hay supz
11:08 < MikeSeth> your array empty as in parameter from outside/
11:13 < digitarald> i have an array roles with ["role1", "role2"]
11:13 < digitarald> when i only validate the argument "roles" with my array validator (checking type and length), i have an empty array
11:13 < digitarald> ... in my request params
11:14 < digitarald> MikeSeth: Any idea about the syntax to validate the items in an array?
11:14 < digitarald> <argument>roles[]</argument> does not work
11:15 < MikeSeth> ummm
11:15 < digitarald> <arguments base="roles[]"><argument></argument></arguments>
11:15 < digitarald> too
11:15 < digitarald> <arguments base="roles[]"><argument>index</argument></arguments>
11:15 < digitarald> validates roles[0][index]
11:15 < MikeSeth> wait, which validator is that?
11:16 < digitarald> the one using base?
11:16 < digitarald> u can do that with every validator
11:16 < MikeSeth> hmmm
11:17 < digitarald> kaos told me some time ago ... the secrets of validating multidimensional arrays
11:17 < MikeSeth> I've never heard a thing about this!
11:17 < digitarald> but I have no idea about validating that simple array :D
11:18 < digitarald> great weather to work, its raining dogs here
11:18 < digitarald> v-dogg?
11:19 < digitarald> who I have to ping to dismantle validators :D
11:21 < digitarald> for now i set validators to conditional, so I have at least some values in my array
11:27 < Wombert> isarray only makes sure that the array is an array
11:27 < Wombert> you also have to validate each item in the array
11:28 < Wombert> so that each field is marked as successfully validated
11:30 < digitarald> and how?
11:30 < MikeSeth> Wombert: so there's no way to validate all array items by the same validation rule[s]?
11:30  * MikeSeth craves newLISP
11:30 < digitarald> I saw that problem too Wombert, thats why I was asking about the arguments syntax I have to use#
11:31 < Wombert> oh, the arguemnts syntax is totally retarded
11:31 < digitarald> to validate an unkown count of items in an array with one rule
11:31 < Wombert> and inconsistent
11:31 < Wombert> I have no idea
11:31 < Wombert> <arguments base="foo"><argument>bar</argument></arguments>
11:31 < Wombert> validates "bar" in "foo"
11:32 < Wombert> <arguments base="foo[]"><argument>bar</argument></arguments>
11:32 < digitarald> whats the point?
11:32 < Wombert> arguments each bar in foo
11:32 < Wombert> or so
11:32 < digitarald> i want to validate rules = ["rule-1", "rule-2"]
11:32 < digitarald> that each item is an array
11:32 < digitarald> ... i don't want an empty array in my action ;)
11:33 < Wombert> <arguments base="roles"><argument></argument></arguments>
11:33 < Wombert> and use that with a string validator
11:33 < digitarald> thats a guess?
11:33 < Wombert> yes
11:33 < digitarald> no
11:33 < digitarald> I tried like 10 different syntaxes
11:34 < digitarald> wrapping argument(s) and bases
11:34 < digitarald> empty
11:34 < digitarald> with []
11:34 < digitarald> with [] appended
11:34 < digitarald> with single []
11:34 < digitarald> with base
11:34 < digitarald> without base
11:34 < MikeSeth> Wombert: wont it be better to write a separator array validator?
11:34 < MikeSeth> s/separator/separate/
11:35 < Wombert> and how would that work, mike
11:35 < Wombert> "make sure all values in the array are valid product ids in my database"
11:35 < Wombert> etc
11:35 < Wombert> hence the arguments stuff
11:36 < digitarald> so, nobody knows how to write that simply item validator ... ok ... back to conditional validation
11:36 < MikeSeth> :(
11:37 < digitarald> ... no ... better ... relaxed
11:37 < Wombert> stupid idea
11:37 < digitarald> what?
11:41 < Wombert> <arguments base="roles[]"><argument /></arguments>
11:41 < Wombert> works just fine for me
11:41 < Wombert> I just tested
11:45 < digitarald> i have "roles[]=trusted&roles[]=preferred"
11:45 < digitarald> in my query string
11:47 < digitarald> this is my validator for it
11:47 < digitarald> <validator class="string" required="false">
11:47 < digitarald>     <arguments base="roles[]">
11:47 < digitarald>      <argument />
11:47 < digitarald>     </arguments>
11:47 < digitarald>    </validator>
11:56 < Wombert> okay
11:56 < Wombert> works here
11:57 < Wombert> I test with the sample app, username[] fields in the form
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12:11 < digitarald> with strict?
12:11 < digitarald> Wombert?
12:11 < Wombert> no, the default
12:11 < digitarald> conditional
12:11 < digitarald> wanne try with strict?
12:12 < Wombert> works as well
12:12 < digitarald> can u pastie your validation xml?
12:13 < digitarald> weird
12:13 < Wombert> 			<validator class="string" name="username_too_short" translation_domain="default.errors.Login">
12:13 < Wombert> 				<arguments base="username[]">
12:13 < Wombert> 					<argument></argument>
12:13 < Wombert> 				</arguments>
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13:30 < MikeSeth> http://www.phpfuse.net/Features/
13:30 < MikeSeth> fail.
13:42 < MikeSeth> 133930 <Jygzy-> is there an Un str_rot13 function?
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14:07 < Wombert> FuseURIRouter::Route_Connect( 'Blog/View/:id', array( 
14:07 < Wombert> wackos
14:27 < _cheerios> doctrine really only caches queries when using that funky dql syntax? how sad :|
14:28 < Wombert> I've found so many inconsistencies in doctrine
14:28 < Wombert> it's a little sad
14:28 < Wombert> like if you do getFirst() on a result that doesn't have items
14:28 < Wombert> it should throw an exception IMO
14:28 < Wombert> instead it returns false... should return null IMO
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14:29 < _cheerios> isnt false been the result for not found in any db library?
14:30 < Wombert> no result = null
14:34 < MikeSeth> heh i saw someone write a blog post yesterday
14:34 < MikeSeth> they thought that null !== false is a bug
14:34 < Wombert> and other stuff like connections getting lost on the way
14:34 < MikeSeth> first i wanted to flam ethem
14:35 < MikeSeth> then explain identity vs equality
14:35 < MikeSeth> then said fuck it and let them make a fool of themselves
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14:39 < _cheerios> *yawn* tinkering on stuff makes progress be turtle-paced
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15:30 < _cheerios> "In 2005, Derek Sivers of CD Baby wanted to scrap his site and perform a rewrite in Rails. He hired Jeremy Kemper, also known as bitsweat on Freenode, to help on the project. Two years later, through blood and sweat, the project was then canceled because of limitations of Rails. Rails just wasn't meant to do everything since it is very much "canned" project. Mr. Sivers has written an entry in the O'Reilly blog: 7 reasons I switched back to PHP."
15:30 < _cheerios> hahahaha... flamewar sunday
15:32 < _cheerios> http://www.oreillynet.com/ruby/blog/2007/09/7_reasons_i_switched_back_to_p_1.html
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15:36 < MikeSeth> Yep. Rails = fail.
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16:16 < _cheerios> gotta love virtuals and disappearing network cards
16:47 < _cheerios> Fatal error: Call to a member function getColumnName() on a non-object in /doctrine/Doctrine/Record.php on line 841 :|
16:52 < _cheerios> sheems like a magic method from Doctrine's side is butting in.
16:52 < _cheerios> how do i prevent that?
16:55 < _cheerios> ah, no. I had an old class in Doctrine Records folder that shouldnt have been there. :| bleh.
17:00 < impl> D:
17:06 < _cheerios> yea, this is how i use my time productively
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18:00 < shoan> anybody know any good tools to debug xpath queries?
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18:25 < _cheerios> outsource bugs!
18:38 < splatch`> hello
18:48 < splatch`> alo alo? ;]
18:51 < _cheerios> hello corporate java man
18:56 < splatch`> hahaha
18:56 < splatch`> why corporate java man? :)
18:56 < splatch`> do you saw my linkedin profile? ;)
18:57 < splatch`> _cheerios: how are you? :)
19:00 < _cheerios> feeling like i'll have a heart attack before i turn 30
19:03 < splatch`> uhh, so bad? Why yuo felling is so bad?
19:04 < _cheerios> because of being overworked, not because of health problems
19:04 < _cheerios> if that makes sense!
19:06 < splatch`> _cheerios: so stop you work :)
19:12 < _cheerios> never!
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19:29 < _cheerios> is there a tool to iterate one's svn repo by day/month to graph how much the total line count has fluctuated?
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21:13 < _cheerios> aaah, Monday already
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22:20 < Wombert> harr
22:20 < Wombert> optimization ftw
22:20 < Wombert> AgaviTookit::expandDirectives old vs new (mem usage and exec time)
22:20 < Wombert> int(5154616)
22:20 < Wombert> float(1.1725490093231)
22:20 < Wombert> int(232)
22:20 < Wombert> float(0.3754460811615)
22:20 < Wombert> for 1000 iterations
22:20 < impl> how did you manage that
22:20 < Wombert> and AgaviToolkit::expandVariables, 10000 iterations
22:21 < Wombert> int(1568)
22:21 < Wombert> float(3.9980540275574)
22:21 < Wombert> int(80)
22:21 < Wombert> float(1.2161779403687)
22:21 < Wombert> both 3 times faster, pretty ace me thinks
22:23 < Wombert> did you see mugesos message to the list for that, impl 
22:23 < Wombert> this will actually cut down agavi memory usage by a considerable amount as expandDirectives is used very, very often
22:25 < impl> only in debug, though, right?
22:25 < Wombert> yes, but I think also a couple of times at runtime
22:25 < Wombert> and still...
22:25 < Wombert> :)
22:25 < impl> Yeah
22:25 < impl> so you just moved everything to a private method?
22:31 < CIA-11> david * r2092 /branches/0.11/src/util/AgaviToolkit.class.php: 
22:31 < CIA-11> made AgaviToolkit::expandVariables() and AgaviToolkit::expandDirectives() both
22:31 < CIA-11> more than three times faster, and massively cut down memory usage in both
22:31 < CIA-11> (particularly expandDirectives(), down from 5 MB to 232 bytes for 1000 calls)
22:31 < Wombert> look for yourself :)
22:33 < Wombert> pretty straightforward
22:34 < impl> looks good
22:35 < impl> Nice
22:36 < Wombert> actually
22:37 < Wombert> can you tell me why the fuck that while loop is in there :p
22:37 < impl> What while loop?
22:37 < Wombert> in expandDirectives()
22:37 < Wombert> haha
22:37 < Wombert> so useless aint it
22:37 < impl> ohh I was just looking at the changeset
22:37 < impl> :P
22:38 < Wombert> NICE!
22:38 < Wombert> six times faster thanthe original!
22:38 < Wombert> woot woot
22:38 < impl> hah :P
22:38 < Wombert> int(944)
22:38 < Wombert> float(0.55964112281799)
22:38 < Wombert> int(224)
22:38 < Wombert> float(0.26690793037415)
22:39 < Wombert> okay
22:39 < Wombert> int(944)
22:39 < Wombert> float(3.2216401100159)
22:39 < Wombert> int(224)
22:39 < Wombert> float(2.4922468662262)
22:39 < Wombert> 10k iterations
22:39 < impl> nice~
22:39 < Wombert> well, another 20% ;)
22:42 < CIA-11> david * r2093 /branches/0.11/src/util/AgaviToolkit.class.php: another optimization to expandDirectives(), cut down time by 20% and memory usage by 75%
22:43 < Wombert> oh bollocks
22:44 < Wombert> array to string conversion
22:44 < Wombert> wtf
22:46 < Wombert> seems the old expandVariables could accept an array as the "string"
22:46 < Wombert> the docs don't say so
22:46 < Wombert> so that's a bug :p
22:49 < Wombert> wtf!?
22:50 < Wombert> aaaah
22:50 < Wombert> one of the args is an array
22:50 < Wombert> uncool
22:50 < impl> haha, *what*
22:51 < Wombert> well
22:51 < Wombert> 'targets' => 
22:51 < Wombert>     array
22:51 < Wombert>       0 => string '${directory}/${locale}/${template}${extension}' (length=46)
22:51 < Wombert>       1 => string '${directory}/${template}.${locale}${extension}' (length=46)
22:51 < Wombert>       2 => string '${directory}/${template}${extension}' (length=36)
22:51 < Wombert> that's one of the args...
22:51 < impl> O_O
22:51 < Wombert> of course it is
22:52 < Wombert> 		$directory = AgaviToolkit::expandVariables($directory, $this->getParameters());
22:52 < Wombert> FileTemplateLayer::83
22:52  * Wombert ponders
22:52 < impl> the foreach on that end would be much more efficient than a foreach in the expandVariables
22:52 < impl> plus
22:52 < impl> since that functionality isn't documented anywhere
22:52 < impl> we can break it
22:52 < impl> and not tell anyone
22:52 < Wombert> well
22:52 < Wombert> heh
22:52 < impl> :>
22:52 < Wombert> the real news is
22:53 < Wombert> that the notice was there before I believe
22:53 < Wombert> it just didn't appear as we used preg with /e
22:53 < Wombert> how do we fix it tho
22:53 < impl> wait
22:53 < impl>     public static function expandVariables($string, array $arguments = array())
22:54 < Wombert> 		$directory = AgaviToolkit::expandVariables($directory, array_filter($this->getParameters(), 'is_string'));
22:54 < Wombert> ?
22:54 < Wombert> yes but one of the entries in the arguments array is an array
22:54 < impl> Oh
22:54 < impl> ah um
22:55 < impl> I think we should just selectively choose what to give to expandVariables
22:55 < impl> passing all the parameters seems weird/wrong to me
22:55 < Wombert> no, we can't decide what to pass
22:55 < Wombert> we can't know what the parameters are etc
22:55 < Wombert> maybe you hvae a param "foo" and then you want to use $foo in the pattern
22:56 < Wombert> that's totally okay and expected
22:56 < Wombert> so we need array_filter
22:56 < impl> really?
22:56 < impl> hmmh
22:56 < Wombert> yes
22:56 < impl> Okay
22:56 < Wombert> that#s exactly the way this template layer stuff works
22:56 < Wombert> template name, extension name, dir name etc are just params set on the layer
22:56 < impl> oh :P
22:58 < Wombert> int(1168)
22:58 < Wombert> float(1.1188368797302)
22:58 < Wombert> int(24)
22:58 < Wombert> float(1.33229804039)
22:58 < Wombert> the second is with array_filter
22:58 < Wombert> could be worse
22:58 < Wombert> still almost three times faster overall :p
22:58 < MikeSeth> Wombert: ever considered coding up Agavi core as an extension?
22:59 < impl> MikeSeth: that would be so hard to maintain :|
22:59 < Wombert> if you sponsor it, MikeSeth 
22:59 < MikeSeth> heh heh
22:59 < MikeSeth> I wish I was richer
23:00 < impl> there's friggin' 30k lines of PHP code there... eaisly 60-90k of C considering the amount of efficient library functions we'd need to implement
23:00 < Wombert> 30k?
23:00 < Wombert> oO
23:01 < impl> yeah, I think that's how big Agavi is minus the translations stuff
23:01 < Wombert> and without the timezones?
23:01 < impl> without all the stuff in /translation/data
23:02 < CIA-11> david * r2094 /branches/0.11/src/view/ (2 files): filter out anything that's not a string when calling AgaviToolkit::expandVariables(), that issue wasn't visible until r2092
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23:35 < CIA-11> david * r2095 /branches/0.11/CHANGELOG: updated change log
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01:17 < Wombert> oh man
01:17 < Wombert> does symfony make people stupid
01:17 < Wombert> or does it attract stupid people
01:17 < Wombert> [02:55] isleshocky78: Can someone explain this error to me: [Doctrine_Connection_Mysql_Exception]                                                                                                                                                                                                        
01:17 < Wombert> [02:55] isleshocky78: SQLSTATE[23000]: Integrity constraint violation: 1452 Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`ubrollerhockey/sf_guard_group_permission`, CONSTRAINT `sf_guard_group_permission_ibfk_2` FOREIGN KEY (`group_id`) REFERENCES `sf_guard_group` (`id`))
01:17 < Wombert> [03:14] JayCC: you have a foreign key constraint violation, which your Database is complaining about
01:17 < Wombert> [03:15] JayCC: seems that either you, or sfGuardDoctrine is trying to do something that's against the FK constraint
01:17 < Wombert> anyway
01:18 < Wombert> it's been a good day! Agavi is 27 times faster now and uses 150kB of memory! AWESOME ;)
01:18 < Wombert> night everyone
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01:20 < impl> Wombert: night, great stuff there
01:20 < Wombert> impl: well
01:20 < Wombert> if we find that much stuff to optimize in other areas... ;)
01:23 < Wombert> just gotta figure out the error containers stuff tomorrow
01:23 < Wombert> so that is done as well
01:23 < Wombert> it's getting time for rc6
01:23 < Wombert> anyway
01:23 < Wombert> off to bed
01:23 < Wombert> bai :)
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05:20 < shoan> huomenta!
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06:12 < _cheerios> huomenta
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06:36 < shoan_> what is the best way to perform validations using ajax with agavi?
06:53 < _cheerios> do what?
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07:00 < _cheerios> "What I like is that I can check the ad up top to see what folks are typing into search engines that leads them to this site. Then today I saw that someone came to my site by typing "How to kill your wife" into Google."
07:03 < v-dogg> and you don't even have a wife! :p
07:06 < Whisller> hi
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07:57 < RossC0> Huomenta!
07:58 < _cheerios> hey, RossC0! about tumblr, is there a way to add comments? I like the thing, but having no comments makes it quite one-way.
08:01 < RossC0> yeah it its :D
08:01 < RossC0> I'm not asking for feedback ! ;0
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08:04 < RossC0> but yeah - comments would be good 
08:05 < _cheerios> im currently using blogger, but i hate the blogger.com loginpage and that their stuff stinks on linux-ff
08:06 < RossC0> _cheerios: I'm adding comments - give me 5
08:06 < _cheerios> not to mention blogger itself seems to be made by the rejects at google
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08:21 < E_mE> huomenta!
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08:48 < RossC0> _cheerios: done
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09:44 < _cheerios> RossC0, your site doesn't load for me.
09:46 < RossC0> did I ban you?
09:46 < RossC0> try again - It is working - I just posted 2 links
09:46 < RossC0> tumblr can be sloww sometimes..
09:47 < RossC0> or probably my dns
09:48 < _cheerios> tumblr works fast, agileweb is dead :)
09:51 < RossC0> hmm
09:52 < RossC0> weird I can get to it
09:54 < RossC0> ah gotit
09:54 < RossC0> wrong IP in my dns conf
09:54 < RossC0> give it a couple of hours
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10:29 < MikeSeth> nomnomnom
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11:31 < E_mE> Wombert_: does agavi have support or a feature to feedback how much of a file has been uploaded?
11:31 < v-dogg> no, but php does
11:31 < E_mE> does it involve Perl?
11:32 < v-dogg> no
11:32 < E_mE> i hear it had to be patched or so
11:32 < v-dogg> Perl? 
11:32 < v-dogg> pear? pecl?
11:35 < RossC0> Perl Pear Pecl?
11:35 < RossC0> Is that Possible :>
11:36 < E_mE> i just read ages ago that any patch with PHP file upload requires a interface with Perl.. but looks like this may of change :D
11:37 < Wombert_> if you have APC
11:37 < Wombert_> then APC has userland features to hook into the file upload progress feature
11:37 < Wombert_> but it's not thread safe
11:37 < Wombert_> so...
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11:40 < E_mE> APC?? whats that
11:41 < E_mE> sounds like a UPS manufacturer =P
11:48 < RossC0> PECL :: Package :: APC
11:48 < RossC0> hmm 
11:48 < RossC0> that copied the link real well!
11:48 < RossC0> http://pecl.php.net/package/APC
11:48 < RossC0> http://uk2.php.net/apc
11:50 < E_mE> nice there is a uploadprogress with PECL
11:50 < E_mE> ah
11:50 < E_mE> thanx... ill go look at that too.. thanx :)
12:16 < E_mE> apc appears to be somewhat better from a sneak peak
12:23 < RossC0> APC - is a bytecode cache
12:23 < RossC0> and will speed things up
12:24 < E_mE> and i can monitor uploads of files too
12:25 < E_mE> to create progress bars
12:25 < E_mE> if i do a ajax request every 1 second or so, it will return me a value for the file size?
12:26 < v-dogg> there was a demo somewhere
12:27 < Wombert> as I said
12:28 < E_mE> ah yes... it disables to previous files tracking 
12:28 < E_mE> ill just disallow users to upload more then one file at a time ;)
12:32 < Wombert> mhm
12:33 < Wombert> and what if two different users upload something? :p
12:33 < E_mE> is this non-thread safe across the board
12:33 < E_mE> not just one users session
12:33 < Wombert> yes
12:33 < E_mE> Feck!
12:34 < Wombert> laters
12:34 < E_mE> that throws that out the window!
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12:42 < RossC0> E_mE - do you need a real file upload check?
12:42 < RossC0> or will a gif just do ?
12:45 < RossC0> or to plug digitarald - you could add this: http://digitarald.de/project/fancyupload/
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12:52 < che_> greeting. i am unable to connect to agavi.com .. my problem or server down ?
12:53 < che_> erm... agavo.org ... for sure
12:54 < che_> dammit... last try:cant connect to agavi.org and obviously i cant type either
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12:56 < che_> solution: my problem... cant connect to anything but google ...
12:56 < che_> sorry for bugging
13:02 < MikeSeth> che_: ummm
13:02 < MikeSeth> che_: I'm confused
13:02 < MikeSeth> che_: what is the problem?
13:02 < che_> dont have the slightest clue... i only can connect to google but no other website...
13:03 < che_> just wanted to know if agavi.org might be down.
13:03 < RossC0> che_: works for me
13:04 < che_> ya. got some network trouble. thx.
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13:18 < E_mE> RossC0: thanx
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14:00 < E_mE> RossC0: is there a little guide for integrating Doctrine into Agavi?
14:03 < RossC0> Nope - its now in the core
14:03 < RossC0> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/381
14:04 < E_mE> next release will have it integreated?
14:04 < RossC0> basically you just set it up in your xml
14:04 < RossC0> and its like anyother database in agavi
14:04 < E_mE> :)
14:05 < RossC0> yeah - or svn up ;)
14:12 < MikeSeth> zomg zomg zomg zomg
14:12 < MikeSeth> LiteStep + color bar theme + transparent putty = zomg zomg zomg!
14:12  * RossC0 googles
14:13 < RossC0> what is LiteStep
14:14 < MikeSeth> RossC0: its a Windows shell
14:14 < MikeSeth> an explorer replacement
14:15 < RossC0> oow
14:17  * E_mE Feels MikeSeth has too much time for transparent putties =P
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14:21 < RossC0> ok MikeSeth how'd I install it?
14:21 < RossC0> :D
14:24 < MikeSeth> RossC0: wiki.litestep.com, the download link is broken so google the file name
14:24 < v-dogg> haha
14:39 < v-dogg> what the hell is "XHTML browser over WAP (WAP 2.0 compliant)"
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14:48 < v-dogg> http://europe.nokia.com/A4142080 <- Key features says "XHTML browser" so a client goes ahead and buys the phone
14:49 < v-dogg> but it's some old wap crap and of course our app doesn't work with it
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14:51 < Wombert> hai
14:51  * Wombert pokes RossC0 
14:51 < Wombert> lets finish the FPF error insertion stuff, shall we
14:51 < Wombert> I coded that up the other day when I had a couple of otherwise boring hours on a train ride
14:51 < Wombert> just want to add this "container for all teh messages" thing
14:53 < RossC0> ola!
14:54 < RossC0> was?
14:54 < RossC0> you mean inline errors?
14:54 < RossC0> or a block of errors at ze top of the ze form?
14:54  * RossC0 pokes Wombert
14:55 < Wombert> inline
14:55 < Wombert> that part is done already, just need a nice way to have a container for all the messages
14:55 < Wombert> (optionally)
14:55 < Wombert> of course, being able to do <div><ul>%s</ul></div>
14:55 < Wombert> is most convenient
14:55 < Wombert> but also pretty ugly
14:56  * RossC0 confused
14:56 < RossC0> wait I already have a container for the messages
14:56 < Wombert> yeah I know
14:56 < Wombert> but
14:56 < Wombert> :)
14:57 < RossC0> 					<parameter name="error_element_container">
14:57 < RossC0> 						<![CDATA[<li class="inline flash form_error"><ol id="flash-${id}">${messages}</ol></li>]]>
14:57 < RossC0> 					</parameter>
14:57 < Wombert> I wrote it all on my own since I didn't have internets
14:57 < Wombert> and I don't really want exactly that three
14:57 < RossC0> well thats just picky and anti social
14:57 < Wombert> hmm
14:57 < Wombert> sorry
14:57 < RossC0> lol
14:57 < Wombert> :(((((((
14:57  * Wombert hugs RossC0 
14:57  * RossC0 hugs Wombert
14:57 < RossC0> was wondering what your new stuff was
14:57 < Wombert> where's $id from
14:58 < Wombert> well
14:58 < Wombert> you can have many different "templates" for the insertion
14:58 < Wombert> in yours you can only have one I think
14:58 < Wombert> but imagine if you have, in one form on your site, a slightly different element
14:58 < RossC0> $id is the id of the element that errored 
14:58 < RossC0> yup
14:59 < RossC0> but all my forms are standard and css handles the rest
14:59 < Wombert> on the other hand
14:59 < Wombert> a %s or ${foo} approach is best IMO
15:00 < RossC0> ${foo} rocks - as its simple
15:00 < Wombert> yes and
15:00 < Wombert> it allows us to replace lots of stuff
15:00 < RossC0> sure
15:01 < Wombert> you know, like the id, or the value, or so
15:03 < RossC0> ok so what do you have?
15:04 < Wombert> 2tics
15:04 < Wombert> btw
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15:04 < Wombert> anyone else against removing sprintf from any user visible stuff and using ${foo} etc instead?
15:04 < Wombert> I don't think this causes BC breaks right now
15:05 < v-dogg> sprintf? where?
15:06 < CIA-11> david * r2096 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php: Added prototype ability to have validation field error messages inserted into the document by FormPopulationFilter, refs #303
15:06 < Wombert> I think it's only in the timestamploggerlayour
15:06 < Wombert> layout
15:07 < Wombert> 		return sprintf($this->getParameter('message_format', '[%1$s] %2$s'), strftime($this->getParameter('timestamp_format', '%c')), $message->__toString());
15:07 < Wombert> so message_format would instead be
15:08 < Wombert> [$datetime] $message
15:08 < Wombert> something that can, if any, be fixed by editing a config file
15:08 < v-dogg> ah, got it
15:10 < Wombert> what should we use for the default syntax
15:11 < Wombert> I'd say ${foo} since that's used everywhere already
15:11 < RossC0> sounds cool to me
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15:15 < RossC0> zomg Wombert
15:15 < RossC0> thats a lot of code to add inline errors
15:17 < RossC0> comparatively speaking - so much could be put into the configuration
15:17 < v-dogg> anyone implemented a breadcrumbs filter or something else to remember last visited pages?
15:18 < v-dogg> I need something like that now
15:18 < RossC0> which adds to the flexibility.  i.e. I set up a container for all the error messages for an element and I also have a container for each single error message
15:31 < Wombert> yes
15:31 < Wombert> that would be the idea
15:31 < RossC0> k
15:31 < Wombert> the thing is
15:31 < Wombert> the default is "after", right
15:31 < Wombert> so your xpath selects a location
15:31 < RossC0> why not just apply my ticket
15:31 < RossC0> its configurable
15:31 < Wombert> and the error is inserted as the following sibling to that
15:32 < Wombert> so if you do not have a container...
15:33 < Wombert> then your messages are inserted in reverse order
15:33 < RossC0> eh?
15:33 < RossC0> which container?
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15:33 < Wombert> well
15:34 < RossC0> too many containers!  The error container, or the message container
15:34 < Wombert> your implementation allows for only one xpath
15:34 < Wombert> but we deffo need more
15:34 < RossC0> why? / example?
15:36 < E_mE> does executeWrite() handle file upload requests?
15:38 < v-dogg> yes
15:38 < RossC0> why not make it configurable in the view rather than just the configs - to handle that
15:38 < Wombert> executeCreate() too, btw
15:38 < v-dogg> if you are talking about normal html form with a file
15:38 < Wombert> i.e. Agavi supports HTTP PUT
15:38 < Wombert> <parameter name="self::input[type='checkbox']"><![CDATA[<p>${errorMessage}</p>]]></parameter>
15:38 < Wombert> <parameter name="self::input"><![CDATA[<div><p>${errorMessage}</p></div>]]></parameter>
15:38 < Wombert> for instance
15:38 < Wombert> RossC0: it is!
15:39 < Wombert> that's the point
15:39 < Wombert> you can do it in the view as well by just setting the params into the fpf namespace
15:39 < Wombert> you can do that with all config params of the FPF
15:39 < RossC0> k
15:39 < Wombert> i.e. you could even set parse_xhtml_as_xml at runtime or so
15:39 < RossC0> ok wait
15:39 < RossC0> explain your example
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15:40 < Wombert> the xpath is matched against the erroneous element
15:40 < Wombert> in order
15:40 < RossC0> I handle checkboxes dfine
15:40 < RossC0> -d
15:40 < Wombert> yes but
15:40 < Wombert> in case your html needs to be different for a checkbox
15:42 < E_mE> it keeps executing executeRead()?!?!
15:42 < Wombert> no
15:43 < Wombert> does your form have method="post"
15:43 < RossC0> hmm
15:43 < RossC0> ok Wombert sounds cool
15:43 < Wombert> you know what I'm saying, RossC0?
15:43 < Wombert> if the element is a checkbox, then the msg is inserted without a div
15:43 < E_mE> Wombert: thanx.. .i was stupid and had type="post"
15:43 < Wombert> now here's the cool part
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15:43 < v-dogg> guys, can I interrupt you for one second?-) I need your opinion because your are the agavi overlords: is a filter the best way to implement breadcrumbs (I need to be able to redirect the user back where he came from after the job is finished)?
15:43 < Wombert> lawl
15:43  * Wombert hugs v-dogg 
15:44 < Wombert> set it in the session
15:44 < RossC0> well sounds like complication to me
15:44 < Wombert> maybe in user::startup(), v-dogg?
15:44 < v-dogg> Wombert: sure but in a filter?
15:44 < v-dogg> ah, yeah
15:44 < Wombert> and save the URL there
15:44 < RossC0> but if theres a cool part - I'm happy to see it
15:44 < RossC0> :D
15:44 < Wombert> but then you cannot have a description for it
15:44 < Wombert> RossC0: there is!
15:44 < Wombert> because
15:44 < Wombert> if FPF could not insert an error message
15:44 < Wombert> for whatever reason
15:44 < Wombert> then
15:44 < Wombert> it appends it to a request attribute
15:44 < v-dogg> Wombert: I don't need a description. I just need to be able to jump back 1-n pages
15:45 < Wombert> you can then output those above the form
15:45 < RossC0> v-dogg: session ftw!
15:45 < v-dogg> Wombert: user::startup is perfect, thanks
15:45 < Wombert> like "your passwords did not match"... does not belong to a form
15:45 < Wombert> v-dogg: with pleasure
15:45 < E_mE> mmmm... do i need to setup all types of images i Allow to upload.  such as image/png, image/jpg etc?
15:46 < Wombert> ?
15:46 < RossC0> I put that imbetween the passwords :)
15:46 < RossC0> k cool
15:46 < E_mE> i uploaded: /home/wenseritj/Desktop/Lorna's Boosh Pix/p1010342.jpg
15:46 < E_mE> recievedAgaviWebRequestDataHolder Object ( [files:protected] => Array ( ) [cookies:protected] => Array ( [Agavi] => 9653aaa16f9298d7b56392db9b042d9b ) [headers:protected] => Array ( [HOST] => 192.168.0.8 [USER_AGENT] => Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20061201 Firefox/2.0.0.4 (Ubuntu-feisty) [ACCEPT] => text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 [ACCEPT_LANGUAGE] => en-us,en;q=0.5
15:46 < E_mE> [ACCEPT_ENCODING] => gzip,deflate [ACCEPT_CHARSET] => ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 [KEEP_ALIVE] => 300 [CONNECTION] => keep-alive [REFERER] => http://192.168.0.8/foodherbs/upload/ [COOKIE] => Agavi=9653aaa16f9298d7b56392db9b042d9b ) [uploadedFileClass:protected] => AgaviUploadedFile [sourceNames:private] => Array ( [cookies] => cookie [files] => file [headers] => header [parameters] => parameter ) [parameters:protected] => Array ( [pictureurl] => p1010342.jpg
15:46 < E_mE> [module] => foodandherbs [action] => UploadImage ) ) 1
15:46 < E_mE> opps sorry
15:47 < E_mE> says image/png,
15:47 < Wombert> ouch
15:48 < RossC0> I also had a problem with having two dates for a date range inline and then having only one el-$id to have error handling for them
15:48 < RossC0> so the question is how much configuration?
15:48 < Wombert> RossC0: dat's teh thing
15:49 < RossC0> and more importantly will it slot in for me
15:49 < E_mE> should i ignore this: [ACCEPT] => text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png
15:49 < Wombert> yes
15:49 < E_mE> ok :)
15:50 < RossC0> woot
15:50 < RossC0> ok
15:52 < E_mE> how do i add extra variables to $this->context->getUser() object?
15:52 < E_mE> what should i use to be more precise
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15:55 < RossC0> E_mE: setAttribute
15:55 < E_mE> :)
15:57 < RossC0> well Wombert - configs I had are: error_display_inline, error_element_container, error_message_container, error_element_form_xpath, error_element_insert_postion
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15:59 < Wombert> RossC0: the idea is that for every selector, you could specify a container markup, and a message markup
16:00 < RossC0> something like:
16:00 < RossC0> <parameters name="error_element_container">
16:00 < RossC0> 	<parameter><![CDATA[<li class="inline flash form_error"><ol id="flash-${id}">${messages}</ol></li>]]></parameter>
16:00 < RossC0> 	<parameter xpath="[type='checkbox']"><![CDATA[<div class="flash form_error">${messages}</div>]]></parameter>
16:00 < RossC0> </parameters>
16:00 < RossC0> So you can have a default and then extra xpath based configs?
16:01 < Wombert> mmmh
16:01 < Wombert> difficult, need to find the non xpath first and then
16:01 < Wombert> beh
16:01 < Wombert> the "normal" xpath for the average joe would just be "self::*"
16:01 < Wombert> simple enough IMO
16:03 < RossC0> cool - default would be self::* then?
16:03 < RossC0> or thats a required attribute
16:04 < Wombert> no, you would have to supply this
16:04 < Wombert> there is no "enable" switch for the feature
16:04 < Wombert> better I think
16:06 < RossC0> but then isn't that a breaking change?
16:06 < Wombert> eh?
16:06 < Wombert> uh
16:06 < Wombert> oO
16:06 < RossC0> there is no "enable" switch for the feature
16:06 < Wombert> for the inline insertion
16:06 < RossC0> so its on by default?
16:06 < Wombert> no
16:06 < Wombert> if there are rules, then those are used
16:06 < Wombert> if there are no rules, then no messages are inserted for you
16:06 < Wombert> it's that simple
16:06 < Wombert> :)
16:06 < RossC0> cool
16:07 < RossC0> but to be a devil
16:07 < RossC0> nm
16:07 < RossC0> cool
16:08 < Wombert> haha
16:08 < RossC0> ok - at the moment what happens to error messages?  They aren't added to rd are they?
16:08  * Wombert hugs RossC0 
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16:08 < Wombert> error messages just sit in the vm
16:08 < Wombert> you would output them by hand in the master template
16:08 < AlphaState> hi guys!
16:08 < Wombert> hi AlphaState 
16:08 < Wombert> welcome to Agavi!
16:09 < RossC0> Hi AlphaState
16:09 < RossC0> Ok with the new FPF it would put them in the rd for you?
16:10 < Wombert> no
16:10 < Wombert> it inserts them into the output for you
16:10  * Wombert confused
16:10 < RossC0> yup
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16:10 < RossC0> but if it doesn't match the rule
16:10 < RossC0> Wombert: if FPF could not insert an error message
16:10 < RossC0> Wombert: for whatever reason
16:10 < RossC0> Wombert: then
16:10 < RossC0> Wombert: it appends it to a request attribute
16:10 < Wombert> yes
16:11 < AlphaState> i had a look into the logs about using json, but all i could find were references for the output, not for decoding the incoming data. i have an action which should be able to handle both html-form data as well as json-encoded data
16:11 < Wombert> uh oh
16:11 < Wombert> AlphaState: right now, this is not possible without manual work
16:11 < Wombert> we're planning to add "input types" for 1.0
16:12 < Wombert> but you can easily do this yourself
16:12 < Wombert> configure a new context with YourCustomJsonWebRequest extends AgaviRequest
16:12 < AlphaState> i thought so
16:12 < Wombert> in there, in the initialize method, just grab the json from the request and set it as parameters
16:12 < AlphaState> got a hint about writing a filter
16:12 < Wombert> no, you need a custom request implementation
16:12 < Wombert> so that means you need a dedicated context
16:13 < AlphaState> all right
16:13 < Wombert> that is not quite in the spirit of having a "web" context that can handle all this
16:13 < Wombert> but then, the input data really _is_ different (urlencoded vs json), so...
16:13 < Wombert> or hang on
16:13 < Wombert> well actually
16:13 < Wombert> all you need is a custom request
16:13 < Wombert> not a new context
16:13 < Wombert> then you just need to know whether or not it is json
16:14 < AlphaState> this can be done via the accept-header?
16:14 < Wombert> e.g. by reading a Content-Type header from the request
16:14 < Wombert> or an Accept, even though I'd deem that less reliable
16:14 < Wombert> but yes, that would work
16:14 < Wombert> I don't think those ajax libs send a content type header when they post json
16:14 < Wombert> or do they?
16:15 < AlphaState> i don't know... we're using mootools in fact
16:15 < RossC0> cool
16:15 < RossC0> it should set header
16:16 < RossC0> 		this.setHeader('Accept', 'application/json');
16:16 < RossC0> 		this.setHeader('X-Request', 'JSON');
16:16 < RossC0> Thats the request...
16:17 < RossC0> yup those are the headers it'll send
16:17 < Wombert> you could read that
16:17 < Wombert> but of course
16:18 < Wombert> that does not mean you're getting json
16:23 < CIA-11> david * r2097 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php: Changed %ns% placeholder to ${htmlnsPrefix} (or the other syntaxes supported by expandDirectives), refs #575
16:28 < RossC0> Wombert: If its good to go - I'll test tomorrow?
16:30 < AlphaState> ok, i'll build up the rest tomorrow, thanks for the help and bye
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16:40 < Wombert> RossC0: yay
16:40 < RossC0> cool - g2g train!
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16:41 < CIA-11> dominik * r2098 /branches/0.11/src/util/AgaviToolkit.class.php: Fix mkdir to not use @
16:43 < _cheerios> outsource bugs! hide bugs!
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17:51 < _cheerios> "Our programming wizards tried their darndest to get Google Page Creator to work with as many browsers as possible. But alas, even the most expert practitioners of web sorcery must sleep now and again, lest their JavaScript magic run dry. So, for now, you'll need either to download a new version of Firefox". Only dislike from me for sites that can't tell firefox-variants for the firefoxes they are.
17:55 < Wombert> yah
17:55 < Wombert> horrible, that
17:55 < Wombert> I've heard people whine about "uuuh but firefox != camino, really, blah blah" and I think it's a pile of BS
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18:48 < Wombert> http://blog.libssh2.org/index.php?/archives/79-Dear-US-Government,-NYAH-TO-YOU-TOO.html
18:54 < _cheerios> boink boink
19:00 < splatch`> hello
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19:35 < impl> lol@link
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20:30 < _cheerios> heh @ Ahmadinejad: 'In Iran, We Don't Have Homosexuals Like In Your Country'
20:31 < impl> suddenly all the conservatives move to Iran
20:31 < impl> :P
20:33 < splatch`> in Poland we also haven't homosexuals
20:34 < splatch`> our prime minister killed all homosexuals ;P
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06:19 < _cheerios> huomenta!
06:25 < Arme[N]> huomenta!
06:35 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:16 < RossC0> Huomenta!
07:16 < _cheerios> morning RossC0. your site still doesn't load? what should the url be?
07:26 < RossC0> agileweb.org
07:26 < RossC0> works for me!
07:27 < RossC0> but I'm still getting two ips when I dig it
07:28 < v-dogg> "Grow a world from network traffic"
07:28 < v-dogg> works here
07:28 < _cheerios> only blog.agileweb.org and agileweb.org/blog work for me, and they both only show tumblr.com mainpage
07:28 < _cheerios> www.agileweb.org and agileweb.org timeout
07:28 < eremit> works here too 
07:29 < eremit> and heyja 
07:29 < v-dogg> hey eremit, long time no see
07:30 < eremit> yep... i dont code that much php anymore ... i even dont code that much anymore ;) ... writing my diploma thesis currently 
07:30 < RossC0> well www.agileweb.org will redirect back to agileweb
07:31 < _cheerios> Resolving agileweb.org... 62.32.65.8, 72.32.231.8
07:31 < _cheerios> Connecting to agileweb.org|62.32.65.8|:80...
07:31 < _cheerios> oh well. i tried!
07:31 < _cheerios> eremit heading straight to management, going over the pesky programming stage? :)
07:32 < RossC0> yeah its the 62.32.65.8 thats got scrubbed yesterday
07:32 < RossC0> *that
07:32 < eremit> _cheerios: no i discovered interface design as my new favorite :D after coding for 15yrs. in dozens of langs - something new i wonderfull :)
07:33 < _cheerios> 15 years of programming? no man should endure that much pain. ;)
07:33 < RossC0> _cheerios: try now
07:33 < eremit> coding isn't always pain ... most managers are the real pain for a coder ;) 
07:34 < v-dogg> managers. and clients. :)
07:34 < RossC0> yup :D
07:34 < RossC0> the two evils!
07:35 < _cheerios> the records on my end are outdated, no good. i'll just have to wait it out.
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08:32 < E_mE> huomenta!
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08:33 < _cheerios> woot. amazon order arrived.
08:34 < digitarald> mh, that Doctrine driver does not work
08:36 < Wombert_> haha apple
08:36 < Wombert_> 10.6 is rumored to drop PowerPC support
08:36 < Wombert_> if that's true, I'll be losing all of my respect for their engineers
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08:36 < Wombert_> or actually, for their PR fools
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08:36 < digitarald> Wombert_, u added the setAttribute stuff for doctrine
08:37 < Wombert> eh?
08:37 < digitarald> via config xml ... but how should that work
08:37 < digitarald> "attributes" parameter
08:37 < Wombert> <parameter name="attributes">
08:37 < Wombert>   <parameter name="FOO_BAR">baz</parameter>
08:37 < Wombert> </parameter>
08:37 < Wombert> doctrine will append Doctrine::ATTR_
08:37 < Wombert> err, prepend
08:39 < Wombert> foreach((array)$this->getParameter('attributes', array()) as $attributeName => $attributeValue) { 
08:39 < Wombert>    $this->connection->setAttribute($attributeName, $attributeValue); 
08:39 < Wombert>  } 
08:39 < Wombert> that's what the code does
08:39 < digitarald> throws an error here
08:40 < digitarald>      <parameter name="attributes">
08:40 < digitarald>       <parameters>
08:40 < digitarald>        <parameter name="VALIDATE">VALIDATE_ALL</parameter>
08:40 < digitarald>        <parameter name="EXPORT">EXPORT_ALL</parameter>
08:40 < digitarald>       </parameters>
08:40 < digitarald>      </parameter>
08:41 < digitarald> double checking
08:43 < Wombert> of course doctrine will not do the same for the value
08:44 < Wombert> <parameter name="EXPORT">7</parameter>
08:44 < Wombert> for EXPORT_ALL
08:44 < digitarald> :(
08:48 < E_mE> Wombert: do you have a PwPC or x86 mac?
08:49 < E_mE> I really want to like Apple, but there current tactics with the iPod is somewhat naughty...
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08:49 < Wombert> ppc
08:50 < Wombert> but I'm not talking about them dropping the powerpc
08:50 < E_mE> you'll have to get your self a new one =P
08:50 < Wombert> they can do that if they like
08:50 < Wombert> but
08:50 < Wombert> the very first macs, had, for a couple of months, intel core solo and core duo processors that were only capable of 32 bits
08:50 < Wombert> had they waited a couple more weeks or months, they could make 10.6 entirely 64 bit
08:51 < Wombert> now they're stuck with 32bit x86 architecture, which is much worse than powerpc
08:51 < digitarald> E_mE: How are the iPod tactics naughty?
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08:53 < E_mE> ill show you an artical digitarald
08:53 < digitarald> i just bought an iPod, was that wrong? :(
08:56 < E_mE> ipods ain't wrong... its the actions of apple with the ipod and itunes and locking out ipod from 3rd parties software developers which seems to be naughty
08:57 < Wombert> ... so?
08:57 < E_mE> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7002612.stm
08:58 < E_mE> well, it forces us all to use itunes, and to be honest the PC version of itune really does suck bad
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08:58 < E_mE> installs crap everywhere
08:58 < E_mE> and what about linux users, they wont be able to use the new ipod
08:59 < E_mE> but dont get me wrong, apple mac GREAT computers and devices... I would buy an apple laptop/mac if i had the money
09:01 < RossC0> E_mE: Linux users can use Ipods - Amorak + plugins
09:02 < E_mE> RossC0, yes currently but the new ipods lock them out
09:02 < E_mE> they have redesign the interface alittle to prevent third party software
09:02 < RossC0> mamamaaa that'll last long
09:03 < E_mE> also Amorak is not very good i find... always causes me problems
09:03 < Wombert> you can't use the coffee can of manufacturer a with the coffee machine of manufacturer b either
09:03 < Wombert> so where is the big deal
09:03 < E_mE> RossC0: ;) 
09:03 < Wombert> the ipod system requirements are listed on the box
09:03 < Wombert> if your machine does not fit them, then don't buy it
09:03 < Wombert> I don't know what all the fuzz is about
09:03 < E_mE> because we are ment to live in an open communication world to a degree
09:03 < Wombert> every company can decide what to do with their products, and how they can be used and how not
09:04 < E_mE> and coffee machine a and b is somewhat different... that doesn't limit you to one coffee machine as you recieve a cup on each depense =P
09:04 < E_mE> true enough, just little unfair to limit people to OS's
09:05 < E_mE> as OSs in the future will not matter anywhere near as much for computer use.. 
09:05 < Wombert> you can't use a zune with linux either if I'm not mistaken
09:05 < E_mE> you can use most with linux
09:05 < RossC0> Wombert: but M$ are evil we know that
09:05 < E_mE> i can use my ipod with my mac
09:05 < E_mE> linux*
09:05 < RossC0> Apple are evil as well - but they are cool evil
09:06 < E_mE> M$ are the devil naked
09:06 < Wombert> E_mE: you mean the cheapo 10$ usb key players from the supermarket. yes, those you can fill like a hard drive
09:06 < E_mE> and Apple are the devil with lipstick and a dress =P hohoho
09:06 < Wombert> err
09:06  * Wombert shudders
09:10 < E_mE> anyhow.. doesn't matter...  we all know that apple hardware is good
09:11 < E_mE> just let the crackers keep cracking ;)
09:11 < E_mE> has anyone heard about the qubit (quntum) computers
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09:16 < E_mE> whats the function retreive an uploaded files?
09:18 < digitarald> So many players have plugins so they can use iPod with iTunes
09:18 < digitarald> like foobar and I think WinAmp too
09:18 < digitarald> so I don't worry about that
09:19 < E_mE> I didn't mean to make you feel bad about your ipod digi... =P
09:19 < digitarald> of couse ... iTunes/Safari and his Windows installation with Bonjour sucks. Even when u don't install ... when it has an update it automatically checks QuickTime ... and iTunes is all over your PC
09:20 < digitarald> its for my girlfriend ... so I can convince her later that we buy a mac ;)
09:20 < digitarald> but ... pssst! ;)
09:22 < E_mE> great idea!
09:22 < E_mE> make it have lots of problems on the PC.. and go... ahhh welllll. we best buy a mac
09:22 < E_mE> hohoh
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09:24 < SunboX> hi, can someone tell me what system requirements agavi actual has
09:28 < v-dogg> SunboX: default php 5.2(.?) setup
09:28 < v-dogg> are you missing some modules?
09:29 < SunboX> no, someone asked me
09:29 < SunboX> and i doesnt know it
09:29 < v-dogg> oh, and Phing if you want to use the cli helper script
09:29 < SunboX> thx
09:29 < v-dogg> so it's not a runtime dependency
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09:36 < _cheerios> heh @ digi's schemes
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09:44 < Wombert> actually, it's 5.1.3
09:54 < digitarald> SunboX, libxml version is also important
10:02 < MikeSeth> http://img.4chan.org/b/thumb/1190707019838s.jpg
10:03 < _cheerios> heh @ that quote making rounds
10:09 < _cheerios> is it possible to give a base path in autoload.xml? Like you can nest routes and they pickup the parent Module.
10:10 < _cheerios> to have Class.class.ph instead of prepending "%core.libs_dir%/" (or something else) on every entry.
10:11 < _cheerios> or do i just have too many entries in autoload?
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10:27 < E_mE> is agavi a minimum requirement of PHP 5.2 now?
10:46 < v-dogg> 12:44 < Wombert> actually, it's 5.1.3
10:57 < E_mE> gulps...
10:57 < E_mE> eek i didnt see that ... 
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11:27 < E_mE> i executed "if ($rd->hasFiles()) {"  and its returning false, and i am uploading files as far as i'm aware
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11:27 < E_mE> does the method need to ="put" or ="post" ?
11:28 < Wombert> and you are validating them, E_mE?
11:28 < E_mE> no
11:29 < Wombert> and does your form have enctype="multipart/form-data" ?
11:29 < E_mE> nope
11:29 < Wombert> ...
11:29 < Wombert> http://de2.php.net/manual/en/features.file-upload.php
11:29 < E_mE> thanx...
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11:38 < E_mE> Wombert: does agavi pass the file data to you as a datatype and you need to write it to a location in the server
11:38 < Wombert> uhm
11:38 < Wombert> $file = $rd->getFile('name');
11:38 < Wombert> $file->move('/path/to/dest.file');
11:38 < Wombert> etc
11:38 < E_mE> ah see see :)
11:46 < E_mE> does the file get automatically deleted at any occations?
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11:48 < E_mE> so if you don't process the $rd referecing in the action... is it orphaned or removed from the temp location?
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11:57 < _cheerios> how do you guys setup doctrine records for multiple databases, when they include tables that have the same names?
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12:02 < E_mE> is there a grand config singleton for the whole of my project anywhere?
12:03 < E_mE> where i can add my own configurable infromation
12:03 < E_mE> such as paths
12:03 < v-dogg> settings.xml (or your own file xincluded to it)
12:04 < _cheerios> mmm, app/config.php can work
12:05 < E_mE> what is the most advisable method?
12:05 < v-dogg> settings.xml
12:05 < v-dogg> because then you can (easily) have different settings for different environments and context
12:06 < E_mE> how can i read constants from settings.xml?
12:06 < v-dogg> <settings prefix="com.myapp."><setting name="foo">bar</setting> ....
12:06 < v-dogg> AgaviConfig::get('com.myapp.foo');
12:07 < E_mE> ah nice :D Thanx
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12:34 < Wombert> E_mE: yes, of course, they get removed for you
12:34 < Wombert> php does that
12:34 < Wombert> or, in case of PUT uploads, agavi does it
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12:43 < RossC0> Wombert!
12:43 < RossC0> is the FPF errors melarky all done?
12:50 < Wombert> not yet
12:50 < Wombert> no containers so far
12:52 < RossC0> ah ok
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13:07 < E_mE> does POST requests only get varaible by the NAME="bar" tag.. and not ID="Foo" tag?
13:07 < v-dogg> yes
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13:33 < Whisller> Hi. I forgoot, which method return whole data from session? :>
13:35 < MikeSeth> getSessionData() I bet? ;)
13:37 < Whisller> $this->context->getStorage()->getSessionData() ? :P I'll try :P
13:38 < Whisller> undefined method ;p
13:40 < v-dogg> I don't think there is such a method
13:41 < v-dogg> why do you need it?
13:41 < Whisller> I have a problem and I don't know what is wrong. It execute action but doesn't return view :/ But on my server it works fine
13:42 < Whisller> But on second server I see only blank page
13:42 < v-dogg> var_dump($_SESSION) ?
13:42 < Whisller> I have in database session
13:43 < v-dogg> then select * from my_session_table (where id=... )
13:43 < Whisller> I'll change it
13:43 < v-dogg> err.. actually you can still dump the array
13:43 < v-dogg> I think
13:44 < Whisller> http://dev.whisnet.pl/jobfinder.pl/View/Administration/workers,sign-in -good http://www.jobfinder.pl/new_application/Administration/workers,sign-in not good :/
13:45 < v-dogg> $_SESSION is used (automatically by php) no matter what storage you use
13:45 < Whisller> ok
13:45 < _cheerios> logs are your friend
13:46 < Whisller> empty array
13:46 < Whisller> I can't read apache logs here
13:46 < Whisller> I don't have access to any desk etc
13:46 < Whisller> only ftp
13:47 < _cheerios> add a line to have php print out errors
13:48 < Whisller> sorry but I don't know what you are talking about :)
13:49 < Whisller> why this fucking module doesn't work
13:50 < _cheerios> http://fi.php.net/manual/en/ref.errorfunc.php#74462
13:51 < Whisller> ahh ok
13:52 < v-dogg> jobfinder.pl is not responding
13:52 < Whisller> ehh what a stupid server, I send file and it crash down ;p
13:52 < Whisller> rotfl
13:53 < Whisller> I have it, admin is an idiot. My client is and idiot, i hate it
13:55 < v-dogg> move to Finland! no idiots here! 
13:55 < v-dogg> not...
13:55 < Whisller> hmm Finland, there is too cold for me :P
13:55 < v-dogg> let me know when the server is back up
13:55 < Whisller> ok
13:56 < Whisller> Ehh in job I'm must writing without agavi. I hate it too. Everything versus me
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14:23 < Whisller> v-dogg: Server is back. I don't know how long but is back ;)
14:23 < Whisller> and still blank page with error reporting
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14:26 < E_mE> pah! PDO aint return properly ?!?
14:26 < E_mE> is there a way i can see the raw SQL statement it sends?
14:26 < E_mE> not the statement that has blah=:foo
14:28 < digitarald> for Doctrine?
14:28 < E_mE> no.. just pure PDO
14:30 < v-dogg> no
14:30 < v-dogg> (that I know of)
14:31 < E_mE> it not returning data with my statement, even though the data its recieving is correct!
14:31 < Wombert> ?
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14:32 < E_mE> im wondering if my unixODBC is acting funny
14:32 < E_mE> i passed back a select * from blah and it returns all the records
14:32 < E_mE> but when i add where username=:uname and password=:pass its go potty
14:33 < Whisller> heh without getCredentials and isSecure this same ;p strange really strange
14:33 < Whisller> and doesn't execute executeRead
14:33 < Whisller> heh what a bitch
14:33 < E_mE> it stopped working soon as i got a try {} catch {} statement in there ...
14:35 < E_mE> problem solved!!!
14:35 < E_mE> cracks head on the corner of my desk!
14:36 < Whisller> execute method  also doesn't want to execute ;p
14:36 < E_mE> nope problem not solved
14:37 < Whisller> swamp
14:41 < Wombert> and it is a slot?
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14:42 < Whisller> shit really big shit O.o
14:46 < E_mE> my data is all coming back from SQL with a space behind every attribute!
14:46 < E_mE> no wonder im not getting any WHERE Statements to work!
14:50 < Wombert> thanks RossC0 
14:50 < Wombert> will do
14:53 < RossC0> :D
14:53 < RossC0> its soo much more liberating than blogging
14:54 < RossC0> I have 6 posts today!
14:54 < RossC0> that would have taken over a year on the old blog ;)
14:59 < MikeSeth> what is?
15:01 < Wombert> a tumbleblog
15:02 < Whisller> What is it :>
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15:31 < Whisller> config folder which chmod should have 750?
15:32 < Whisller> hmm 751
15:33 < Whisller> ehhh still this same "error" :/\
15:33 < Whisller> fuck
15:33 < v-dogg> depends on how the http servers is setup
15:33 < v-dogg> *server
15:34 < Wombert> Whisller: you have display_errors off
15:34 < Wombert> ...
15:34 < Whisller> no
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15:34 < Whisller> in config.php
15:34 < Whisller> ini_set('display_errors','1');
15:34 < Whisller> ini_set('display_startup_errors','1');
15:34 < Whisller> error_reporting (E_ALL);
15:36 < Whisller> before class definition I add echo "test" and it wrote it. so routing works fine
15:36 < Whisller> Then why it doesn't want to execute "execute" methods
15:36 < Wombert> ...
15:36 < Wombert> pretty sure it bails out before
15:36 < Wombert> probably suhosin
15:36 < Whisller> but
15:37 < Whisller> http://www.jobfinder.pl/new_application/ works, only this one module doesn't work
15:37 < Whisller> http://www.jobfinder.pl/new_application/Administration/workers,sign-in
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15:38 < Whisller> and it is phpinfo http://www.jobfinder.pl/new_application/phpinfo.php without suhosin
15:39 < MikeSeth> what did you break?
15:39 < Whisller> I don't know ;p
15:39 < MikeSeth> I see 'test'
15:39 < Whisller> Methods in action don't want to be execute
15:39 < MikeSeth> http://www.jobfinder.pl/new_application/Administration/workers,sign-in
15:39 < Whisller> Yes it is before class definition
15:39 < MikeSeth> what do you mean dont want to be executed?
15:39 < MikeSeth> show code.
15:40 < Whisller> http://phpfi.com/265005
15:41 < MikeSeth> well executeRead uses view input
15:41 < MikeSeth> view input [probably] prints 'test'
15:41 < MikeSeth> right?
15:41 < Whisller> no
15:41 < Whisller> echo "test"; was before class
15:41 < MikeSeth> where?
15:41 < MikeSeth> and why?
15:42 < Whisller> When I add any echo in executeRead it doesn't work
15:42 < Whisller> Wait
15:43 < Whisller> Now it looks that http://phpfi.com/265006
15:43 < Whisller> And see what will be print.
15:44 < Wombert> ...
15:44 < Wombert> do you have validation rule?
15:44 < Wombert> *rules
15:44 < Whisller> http://phpfi.com/265008
15:45 < MikeSeth> Whisller: if you do that, die() after echo. There's output buffering involved. 
15:46 < Whisller> ?
15:48 < MikeSeth> Whisller: echo "test"; die;
15:48 < Whisller> this same
15:48 < MikeSeth> if you don't die(), you wont see the "test" word
15:49 < Wombert> wtf is
15:49 < Wombert>     public function isSecure()
15:49 < Wombert>     {
15:49 < Wombert>         $cred = $this->getCredentials();
15:49 < Wombert>         return $cred && !$this->getContext()->getUser()->hasCredentials($cred);
15:49 < Wombert> ?
15:49 < Wombert> and does
15:49 < Wombert> GuestBaseAction
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15:49 < Wombert> have isSimple() ?
15:50 < MikeSeth> again, if your validator fails, executeRead() wouldn't be executed.
15:50 < MikeSeth> omg
15:50 < Wombert> his rules are all for write
15:50 < MikeSeth> Whisller: I dont think he understands callbacks
15:50 < Whisller> GuestBaseAction is empty.
15:50 < MikeSeth> Whisller: IsSecure() is a signal function. It only returns a value: true or false. You can not perform checks or anything in it.
15:50 < Whisller> Validators are for write
15:51 < Whisller> And this module works on my server. http://dev.whisnet.pl/jobfinder.pl/View/Administration/workers,sign-in
15:51 < Whisller> MikeSeth: but it return boolean value
15:51 < MikeSeth> Whisller: yes, but that value can not change depending on conditions
15:51 < MikeSeth> Whisller: let me explain
15:51 < Whisller> When I remove isSecure and getCredentials still I see blank page
15:52 < MikeSeth> Whisller: IsSecure() tells Agavi whether Agavi should perform a security check on this action. 
15:52 < Whisller> Yes
15:52 < Whisller> I know
15:52 < MikeSeth> Whisller: Agavi itself does that in the security filter
15:52 < MikeSeth> Whisller: function isSecure() { return false; } means "anyone can call this action"
15:52 < Whisller> ok I will add return false
15:53 < MikeSeth> function isSecure() { return false; } means "Agavi must check security privileges before this action is called"
15:53 < Wombert> MikeSeth: I guess it is okay to check for certain situations there and return a value depending on that; otherwise, you could just implement an interface AgaviISecureAction or something
15:53 < Wombert> but
15:53 < MikeSeth> Whisller: you are checking privileges in isSecure() but you shouldn't! Agavi does that for you
15:53 < Wombert> yes
15:53 < Wombert> this getCredentials stuff in there is creepy
15:53 < Wombert> you should not check privileges
15:53 < Wombert> if you want to do that, write your own security filter
15:54 < Whisller> hmm
15:54 < Whisller> but code which I has in isSecure is from manual :>
15:54 < E_mE> laters all
15:54 < Wombert> woot?
15:54 < MikeSeth> Whisller: that must be a very old manual
15:55 < Whisller> http://phpfi.com/265012 And this same
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15:55 < Wombert> I better not find the person who wrote that :p
15:55 < MikeSeth> Whisller: let me explain you the idea about isSecure() and getCredentials()
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15:55 < Whisller> hmm
15:56 < MikeSeth> Whisller: the User object has a function hasCredentials() that you define
15:56 < Whisller> But why it doens't return any view, doesn't execute any "execute" method  :/ And why only this module do that
15:56 < CIA-11> david * r2100 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php: fixed ns prefix evaluation in error class maps, sorry
15:57 < MikeSeth> Whisller: before the action is executed, the security filter asks the action if it isSecure(). If true is returned, the security filter executes the action ONLY if $user->hasCredentials($action->getCredentials()) returns true
15:57 < Wombert> does it run getDefaultViewName?
15:57 < Wombert> Whisller: what is in your SecureSuccess template?
15:57 < Wombert> I bet it shows a permission denied page where you don't have anything in the template or so
15:57 < Whisller> http://www.agavi.org/docs/latest/manuals/cookbook/ch02s08.html and isSecure method. 
15:58 < Whisller> hmm I will try with getDefaultViewName
15:58 < MikeSeth> Wombert: <3333
15:58 < Wombert> who the hell did that
15:59 < Whisller> http://www.jobfinder.pl/new_application/Administration/workers,sign-in 
15:59 < Whisller> http://phpfi.com/265015
16:00 < Whisller> And don't tell me this isn't in manual :P
16:00 < Whisller> As I remember Wombert show me this page ;p
16:00 < MikeSeth> Whisller: it is. But it is very old and wrong.
16:00 < Whisller> MikeSeth: ok, now I know.
16:00 < MikeSeth> besides, the example is for an RBAC setup :)
16:00 < Whisller> And RBAC I have
16:01 < Whisller> I use
16:05 < Whisller> Ok works :>
16:05 < Whisller> hmm I think
16:05  * Wombert coughs
16:07 < Whisller> MikeSeth: So, when I call to action is executed isSecure. If it return true, application check hasCredentials and when it return true method from action (executeRead, executeWrite, getDefaultViewName) is executed? 
16:08 < MikeSeth> Whisller: yes.
16:08 < MikeSeth> more or less :)
16:08 < Whisller> Ok.
16:09 < Whisller> Thanks :)
16:09 < Whisller> Huh I must read code of agavi.
16:10 < Whisller> Btw what is with documentation? Someone is writing it?
16:10 < MikeSeth> Whisller: absolutely. That's why Agavi kicks ass.
16:11 < MikeSeth> Whisller: very slowly, yes. I dont have a lot of time to contribute.
16:11  * Wombert hugs MikeSeth 
16:11 < Whisller> Heh, Now I'm in my job writing without any framework :/ That sucks, after it I will have many bad habits
16:12 < Wombert> here's some free advice
16:12 < Wombert> quit jobs that don't make you happy
16:13 < MikeSeth> Wombert: I will have my own programming firm.
16:13 < Wombert> yes?
16:13 < Wombert> cool
16:13 < Wombert> query btw, MikeSeth 
16:14 < Whisller> Wombert: Hmm, but they pay good :) Is true, my project manager doesn't want use any framework but hmm I must have this job. I neede money :) And after work I can write in agavi....huh I think, because now I don't have time for everythig :/
16:14 < Whisller> Home -> work -> home ;)
16:16 < Whisller> But I like it, I think :) Now I live in other city, work with new people. Now it is fine.
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16:22 < _cheerios> woot
16:33 < Whisller> hmm I should go to home
16:35 < Wombert> for impl when he's here
16:35 < Wombert> http://pastie.caboo.se/100655 sucks big time. it's just too much. really.
16:36 < Wombert> http://pastie.caboo.se/100656 a little ugly, but much much much better IMO
16:36 < Wombert> maybe someone has use cases
16:36 < Wombert> for either approach
16:36 < Wombert> where things would not work or so
16:37 < Wombert> the most simple form will still be http://pastie.caboo.se/100657
16:38 < Whisller> Good day.
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16:38 < Wombert> but that has a problem since the default destination is "after"... in this case, after the erroneous input element, which means if there are many errors, they will be inserted in reverse order (no biggie tho I guess)
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19:01 < splatch`> oi! :)
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19:52 < _cheerios> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=307643&cid=20744333
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20:51 < _cheerios> hrm, i always forget why my radio buttons don't get checked="checked" even when i specify that.
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21:04 < _cheerios> AgaviToolkit::expandDirectives($this->getParameter('classpath',null)); seems that is changed?
21:04 < impl> uh oh
21:04 < impl> is it not working?
21:06 < _cheerios> i just svn upped, and Fatal error: BaseDoctrineDatabase::require() [function.require]: Failed opening required ''
21:07 < _cheerios> using rossco's doctrinedb class
21:07 < impl> :S!
21:09 < _cheerios> im too tired to think what it all means
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21:34 < MikeSeth> 213102 <MikeSeth> mysql_query("UPDATE users SET paid='Y'")
21:34 < MikeSeth> 213105 <MikeSeth> what does this do plz
21:34 < MikeSeth> 213105 <fragalot> MikeSeth: auto-increment
21:34 < MikeSeth> 213122 <fragalot> ... forgot a where clause >.> thx for pointing that out
21:34 < MikeSeth> tears are being cried now
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21:58 < Wombert> khai
21:58 < Wombert> -k
21:58  * Wombert pokes impl 
21:58  * impl bites Wombert's finger
21:58 < impl> hai.
21:58 < impl> no moar poking for you
21:59 < impl> Wombert: did you see that thing _cheerios said up there?
21:59 < MikeSeth> oh yeah
22:00 < MikeSeth> it happened to me too
22:00 < MikeSeth> I just added the classpath parameter and forgot about it
22:00 < MikeSeth> <3 agavi :D
22:02 < Wombert> doctrine is just expected to be on your include path
22:02 < Wombert> I'd recommend adding it to autoload.xml
22:03 < Wombert> impl: 
22:03 < Wombert> [18:35] Wombert: for impl when he's here
22:03 < Wombert> [18:35] Wombert: http://pastie.caboo.se/100655 sucks big time. it's just too much. really.
22:03 < Wombert> [18:36] Wombert: http://pastie.caboo.se/100656 a little ugly, but much much much better IMO
22:03 < Wombert> [18:36] Wombert: maybe someone has use cases
22:03 < Wombert> [18:36] Wombert: for either approach
22:03 < Wombert> [18:36] Wombert: where things would not work or so
22:03 < Wombert> [18:37] Wombert: the most simple form will still be http://pastie.caboo.se/100657
22:04 < impl> so the problem with this whole thing
22:05 < impl> is that now people can use FPF to inject invalid X(HT)ML
22:05 < impl> OH
22:05 < impl> can we do
22:05 < impl> <html:span xmlns:html="blah">?
22:05 < impl> will that work?
22:05 < Wombert> no
22:06 < impl> has to start at the root, huh? :\
22:06 < Wombert> <${htmlnsPrefix}span>lolz</${htmlnsPrefix}span>
22:06 < Wombert> but yes
22:06 < Wombert> that you could do :p
22:06 < Wombert> but your idea works just as well
22:06 < impl> I just don't like <![CDATA[ing it
22:06 < Wombert> you have to
22:06 < Wombert> anyway
22:06 < Wombert> or entity encode it
22:07 < impl> blah
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00:27 < Lockes> Hello
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06:26 < _cheerios> huomenta!
06:27 < v-dogg> huoemnta
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06:51 < Whisller> hi :)
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07:16 < RossC0> Huomenta!
07:18 < Whisller> hi RossC0
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07:55 < shoan> huomenta!
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08:27 < _cheerios> PHP Fatal error:  Call to a member function toArray() on a non-object << doctrine is not very forgiving when using ->getFirst()->toArray(), and when there was no result.
08:28 < RossC0> is there a way to get gen() to remove url params?
08:28 < RossC0> *get params
08:28 < v-dogg> 'param'=>null I think
08:31 < _cheerios> RossC0, do you need a login to file a ticket for doctrine?
08:32 < RossC0> pookey is that man to ping
08:32 < RossC0> brb
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09:04 < _cheerios> if( ($result = reset($this->data) ) == false) { return $this; } // quick hack for getFirst(), for chaining to not break
09:04 < RossC0> _cheerios: #doctrine ;)
09:04 < RossC0> oww BUG!
09:05 < RossC0> in agavi!
09:05 < _cheerios> latest svn broke your doctrinedatabase btw. ;)
09:06 < RossC0> I the AgaviDoctrineDatabase
09:06 < RossC0> *I use the ...
09:06 < RossC0> the official one
09:06 < RossC0> :D
09:09 < _cheerios> you jumped ship on your own work!
09:09 < _cheerios> i'll switch too then, when the captain is in the waters
09:09 < RossC0> no I got it incorporated - which was the goal!
09:09 < RossC0> thanks to Wombert and MikeSeth's pro Doctrine campaign
09:09  * RossC0 hugs Wombert and MikeSeth
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09:12 < _cheerios> Wombert complained when false was returned (instead of null), he'll probably have a heart attack looking at that hack above ;)
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10:27 < Wombert> so what is the bug, RossC0?
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10:27 < PHPadam> yo
10:29 < MikeSeth> zomg
10:29 < PHPadam> zomg
10:29 < PHPadam> ?
10:30 < MikeSeth> yeah.
10:30 < MikeSeth> though our traditional greeting here is huomenta
10:30 < PHPadam> what is huomenta?
10:31 < RossC0> Wombert: routing
10:31 < v-dogg> probably not in .il :)
10:31 < MikeSeth> 'good morning' in finnish
10:31 < PHPadam> MikeSeth, i thought you live in israel
10:31 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: well. My work week ends in, let's see. 1 hour :)
10:31 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: I do
10:31 < PHPadam> so
10:31 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: the official Agavi greeting is 'huomenta' :D
10:32 < RossC0> when doing this: $ro->gen(null, array('removeGetParam' => null), array('omit_defaults' => true)); it doesn't clean the defaults properly
10:32 < PHPadam> so you guys are basicly nuts ah?
10:32 < RossC0> and I get lots of //// at the end
10:32 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: talented ones tho
10:32 < PHPadam> heh, ill be back in 15min, i lost my cellular, gotta find it
10:32 < Wombert> RossC0: uncool
10:32 < RossC0> yup
10:32 < Wombert> can you file a bug report with a reproduce case, kthxbai :)
10:33 < RossC0> but what I was really after was a way to get the URL without any get vars..
10:33 < RossC0> Wombert: cool
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10:52 < E_mE> Wombert_: did you join in with the oktober fest celebrations?? I saw some pictures of bbc news.. was quite impressive..
10:53 < Wombert_> I was there briefly yesterday
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10:53 < Wombert> to grab something to eat
10:53 < Wombert> but it was raining cats and dogs and the tents were so full and then it's no fun at all
10:54 < Wombert> lotsa rain today as well but I'll drop by in the evening and join some friends
10:54 < E_mE> Going to Drink some Paulner oktober fest beer?
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11:18 < PHPadam> im back
11:18 < PHPadam> so
11:18 < PHPadam> whats up
11:18 < RossC0> sky
11:18 < RossC0> :D
11:18 < E_mE> RossC0 you could of been alot more crude =P
11:19 < E_mE> hoho
11:19 < MikeSeth> thats my job though
11:19 < MikeSeth> if anyone is to come up with comments about goatse and molestation that'd be me
11:19 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: see ohloh URL in the topic
11:22 < MikeSeth> oh boy I thing ohloh finally flipped
11:23 < v-dogg> how com?
11:23 < v-dogg> e
11:23 < PHPadam> MikeSeth, what for?
11:24 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: an overview of what Agavi is and what it isn't
11:24 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: donno it looks dead to me
11:24 < PHPadam> ok, read it
11:25 < E_mE> PHPadam its great ... :D
11:25 < PHPadam> is it?
11:26 < v-dogg> no, he's just kidding. we all hate it
11:26 < PHPadam> ahh ok
11:27 < PHPadam> will it make me rich?
11:27 < v-dogg> why, of course it does
11:27 < RossC0> PHPadam - its not a drug!
11:27 < PHPadam> RossC0, why ?
11:27 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: it can shorten your path to being rich
11:28 < PHPadam> MikeSeth, thats good
11:28 < RossC0> ah PHPadam I got you - your being like spiritual
11:28 < RossC0> yes it will make you rich ;)
11:28 < E_mE> v-dogg is bitter... like an agavi raped Lemon! =P
11:28 < PHPadam> what do you guys think of codeigniter?
11:28 < RossC0> haven't used it
11:28 < PHPadam> symfony?
11:29 < RossC0> based on the same framework as Agavi
11:29 < RossC0> (but dont tell MikeSeth ;) )
11:29 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: typically, we laugh at them
11:29  * RossC0 nods
11:29 < PHPadam> MikeSeth, why ?
11:29 < v-dogg> haha
11:29 < RossC0> Agavi is better :D
11:30 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: because they're crap and they all try to be Rails, which is also crap
11:30 < RossC0> Also its inherently more flexible
11:30 < PHPadam> if they are all crap, why people bother so much about them ?
11:30 < v-dogg> they don't know any better
11:30 < PHPadam> (downloading agavi)
11:30 < RossC0> marketing
11:31 < PHPadam> what does agavi has to offer as a framework?
11:31 < RossC0> I'm sure they're not all crap - but its about choice and preference
11:31 < E_mE> maybe we should have a naked lady mauled over a few agavi's in the mojavi desert ;) that will give us great advertising amoung the metal heads ;)
11:31 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: most people using Cake and Symfony are talentless hacks
11:31 < RossC0> Wombert:  we should have that on the front page
11:32 < RossC0> not what MikeSeth said but: 
11:32 < RossC0> PHPadam: what does agavi has to offer as a framework?
11:32 < PHPadam> yes
11:33 < MikeSeth> http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/The-Mythical-Business-Layer.aspx
11:33 < MikeSeth> *tear*
11:33 < RossC0> PHPadam: http://www.agavi.org/docs/latest/manuals/manual/ch01s01.html
11:34 < RossC0> MikeSeth: summize for those that cant be chewed to read that
11:35 < RossC0> then I can quote you and put it on my blog
11:35 < Wombert> it's a five minutes read maximum :p
11:35 < MikeSeth> RossC0: Coders suck. Most people only know about architecture from TV. Absolute majority can't tell their ass from ground. End summary.
11:36 < RossC0> MikeSeth: thats quote isn't going on my blog!
11:37 < MikeSeth> RossC0: it's the most objective summary you'd ever get though
11:40 < PHPadam> if you guys were fifthy rich, would you still do php ?
11:40 < Wombert> I would still do Agavi, in any case...
11:40 < v-dogg> no, we'd do 18-year-old teen girls
11:40 < Wombert> lawl
11:40 < Wombert> :>>>>
11:40 < Wombert> oh man
11:40  * Wombert hugs v-dogg 
11:41 < v-dogg> in wombs case 12 years
11:41 < MikeSeth> as a matter of the fact that is exactly what I'm gonna do one of the next days
11:41 < Wombert> err
11:41 < Wombert> nop :p
11:41 < MikeSeth> there's this hot stoner atheist chick
11:41 < MikeSeth> she's coming to sleep over.
11:41 < MikeSeth> pwn time!
11:41 < Wombert> and she's 18?
11:42 < PHPadam> i think im becoming a geek
11:42 < Wombert> and you're like 35
11:42 < Wombert> you must be desperate
11:42 < Wombert> !
11:42 < PHPadam> whos 35 /
11:42 < MikeSeth> Wombert: I'm 26. And she's 17.
11:42 < Wombert> that was just a wild guess
11:42 < Wombert> MikeSeth: zomg that prolly makes it illegal!
11:42 < MikeSeth> Wombert: xkcd says it's within the allowed creepiness threshold
11:42 < MikeSeth> Wombert: no, 16 is legal age in Israel
11:42 < Wombert> I say it's not
11:43 < Wombert> in any case? even if you're over 18?
11:43 < Wombert> oka
11:43 < MikeSeth> Jewish liberalism makes pedobear smile!
11:43 < Wombert> hahaha
11:43 < E_mE> I hear its 12 years in Holland... might be wrong though
11:43 < Wombert> in any case, it's creepy
11:43 < Wombert> pretty sure it is wrong, E_mE 
11:43 < MikeSeth> Wombert: I dont think so. I used to have a 15 y.o. gf when I was 19
11:43 < MikeSeth> now THAT was creepy
11:43 < Wombert> no
11:43 < MikeSeth> (and illegal)
11:44 < Wombert> because you were still a teenager
11:44 < Wombert> know what I'm saying?
11:44 < Wombert> or maybe that's just me
11:44 < MikeSeth> one thing I can say with certainty: dont go below 16. It's just like screwing a log.
11:45 < MikeSeth> Wombert: teenager or not but its true what they say
11:45 < MikeSeth> airforce uniform DOES get you laid
11:46 < Wombert> hahaha
11:46 < v-dogg> wait wait wait. stop! when did the conversation turn from marketing agavi to illegal teen girls?
11:46 < Wombert> I was about to say
11:46 < Wombert> look
11:47 < Wombert> v-dogg got it right
11:47 < Wombert> you other guys
11:47 < Wombert> CREEPY WACKOS
11:47 < Wombert> OUTTA HERE!
11:47 < v-dogg> haha
11:47 < PHPadam> MikeSeth, your in the airforce?
11:47 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: I was. Before the Ramalla lynch.
11:47 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: I did optics in nun mem
11:47 < PHPadam> btw about the girls, i always had older girls then me, my current gf is 27 and im 24
11:47 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: that's the best layout
11:48 < PHPadam> why before the ramalla lynch ?
11:48 < MikeSeth> at some point you get fucking SICK of teenage bullshit
11:48 < PHPadam> what happend
11:48 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: because after the ramalla lynch a friend shot 4 people in retaliation
11:48 < PHPadam> teenage bullshit is not for me, i cant handle it
11:48 < MikeSeth> Wombert: that's a valid conversation point by the way
11:49 < MikeSeth> Wombert: certain "frameworks" have the attitude that checks out with teenage bullshit
11:49 < MikeSeth> ZOMG LOOK TEH ADMIN GENERATORZ
11:49 < MikeSeth> IN THIS NEW VERSION WE PRESENT YOU WITH: AJAX SCAFFOLDING SCAFFOLDING!
11:49 < PHPadam> so what happend with that friend that shot 4 people
11:49 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: he's doing 17 in
11:50 < PHPadam> who did he shot? arabs?
11:50 < PHPadam> 17 days i hope
11:50 < Wombert> does it matter?
11:50 < Wombert> err
11:50  * Wombert blinks
11:50 < MikeSeth> PHPadam: he was drunk. He drove to Yafo str in Haifa and opened fire at arabs. 3 jews, one arab. Then he turned himself in, had processes for a year, and then went 17 years into the jail
11:51 < MikeSeth> Wombert: I guess it doesn't
11:51 < PHPadam> so he got 8+8+8 for the jews, and -7 for the arab
11:51 < Wombert> ...
11:52 < MikeSeth> that's one way to see it
11:52 < Wombert> don't ruin my day, PHPadam 
11:52 < PHPadam> Wombert, im just kidding to be mad
11:52 < PHPadam> brb, toilet stuff
11:52 < MikeSeth> Wombert: I wont be surprised if that was the exact reasoning of the judge. Racism is rampant in Istael.
11:53 < MikeSeth> in fact we're number #30 in the world corruption ranks according to a document that just got published
11:57 < _cheerios> ways to go
11:58 < MikeSeth> yeah
11:58 < MikeSeth> jew pride!
11:58 < MikeSeth> okay this frigging day is over
11:59 < Wombert> MikeSeth: we're #16 ;)
11:59 < Wombert> but I've heard we're actually much worse
12:00 < E_mE> never thought germany to be a corrupt nation
12:00 < E_mE> where is the UK?
12:01 < MikeSeth> aight im off to ~
12:01 < MikeSeth> see y'all later
12:02 < PHPadam> MikeSeth, how long are we supposed to work on a òøá çâ?
12:02 < PHPadam> like 60% ?
12:02 < MikeSeth> yah
12:02 < MikeSeth> but im on schedule anyway so its not over till saturday for me
12:02 < MikeSeth> ttyl
12:10 < v-dogg> did you guys notice where Finland was on that list?-)
12:15 < _cheerios> "In Finland we don't have corruption like in your country"
12:15 < v-dogg> haha, good one :D
12:17 < E_mE> just have lots of Alcoholics =P
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13:19 < E_mE> GOD Sake .net applications are so fecking slow! Slaps .NET!!!
13:40 < RossC0> Caching question!
13:40 < RossC0> how'd I cache credentials?
13:40  * RossC0 nudges Wombert
13:41 < Wombert> err?
13:41 < Wombert> you mena a cache per credential?
13:41 < Wombert> or so?
13:41 < Wombert> *mean
13:42 < Wombert> <group source="user_credential">lolz</group>
13:42 < RossC0> cheers
13:42 < Wombert> then a cache is created for those with the cred
13:42 < Wombert> and one for those without it
13:42 < RossC0> champion
13:42 < RossC0> can I have multiple credentials?
13:42 < Wombert> nope
13:42 < Wombert> but
13:43 < Wombert> you could load those credentials into a user attribute or so
13:43 < Wombert> hmh
13:43  * RossC0 hugs wombert
13:43 < Wombert> I've thought about that before and
13:43 < Wombert> didn't come up with a proper way to do it
13:43 < Wombert> what would you say
13:44 < Wombert> just a sec
13:44 < Wombert> need to switch to vpn
13:45 < RossC0> <groups source="user_credential">
13:45 < RossC0>   <group>admin</group>
13:45 < RossC0>   <group>moderator</group>
13:45 < RossC0>   <group>punk</group>
13:45 < RossC0> </groups>
13:45 < Wombert> and then?
13:45 < Wombert> a cache for each of them?
13:46 < Wombert> the problem with the credentials anyway is that they don't necessarily have to be strings...
13:46 < Wombert> anyway
13:46 < Wombert> vpn
13:46 < Wombert> brb
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13:47 < RossC0> hello!
13:48 < Wombert_> hai
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13:48 < RossC0> well Wombert it would be cool to be able to set the cache for optional vars and then a final fallover i.e. admin, mod , punk and other 
13:49 < Wombert> so each of those gets a separate cache, aye?
13:50 < RossC0> yeah
13:51 < RossC0> but then is it worth it?
13:51  * RossC0 just dont know
13:52 < RossC0> I like the idea of being able to set up multiple buckets for caching
13:54 < Wombert> yeah but I guess user attribs are best for that
13:54 < Wombert> I personally can't think of a use case where I'd cache per credentials
13:54 < Wombert> just authed/not authed
13:54 < Wombert> and then user attribs
13:58 < RossC0> well how about an edit link
13:58 < RossC0> for admins
13:58 < RossC0> or a moderate this post link
13:58 < RossC0> etc..
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14:23 < E_mE> where is core.default_context variable stored?
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14:32 < E_mE> nudges Wombert...
14:34 < v-dogg> agaviconfig::get
14:35 < v-dogg> like all configuration directives 
14:35 < v-dogg> http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/ConfigurationDirectives
14:36 < Wombert> why do you need that
14:36 < Wombert> be warned, that might bite you in the ass one day
14:37 < Wombert> zomg teh rain is driving me nuts
14:38 < E_mE> im reading your Code....
14:38 < E_mE> looking at the AgaviContext()
14:38 < E_mE> see if i can gain some education from it :)
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14:44 < E_mE> Wombert: what are readonlies for in agaviConfig?
14:45 < Wombert> they can't be overwritten once set
14:45 < Wombert> the path to agavi
14:45 < Wombert> the environment name
14:45 < Wombert> other dirs
14:45 < E_mE> ah, so if you set readonlies[myname] and a config[myname]  ... config[myname] is read only
14:45 < Wombert> are fixed that way
14:45 < Wombert> yes
14:46 < Wombert> they cannot be removed or anything
14:46 < E_mE> see see :) 
14:46 < Wombert> that way, we can make sure nobody changes them at runtime and then things behave unexpectedly
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14:48 < E_mE> where is the agaviConfig()'s all setup...
14:48 < Wombert> in various places
14:48 < E_mE> like after the initial Agavi.php
14:48 < E_mE> ah...
14:49 < Wombert> search for "AgaviConfig::set" ?
14:49 < E_mE> im using trac :P
14:53 < E_mE> what is the entry point into the framework? if thats a valid question..
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14:56 < E_mE> found... agavi::bootstrap()
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15:01 < E_mE> Wombert: what is the purpose of the AgaviInflector? Don't see how it relates?
15:04 < Wombert> well
15:05 < Wombert> <configuration>
15:05 < Wombert>   <mouse name="Joe" />
15:05 < Wombert>   <mouse name="Jack" />
15:05 < Wombert> foreach($mice as $mouse)
15:05 < Wombert> basically
15:13 < E_mE> so does agavi actually create foreach() statements at times?
15:14 < E_mE> im guesing maybe in the caching
15:31 < E_mE> must all models in agavi extend AgaviIModel ???
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15:42 < Wombert> no, E_mE 
15:53 < E_mE> does anyone know of a program that checks to see if CSV files are correct
15:57 < v-dogg> correct?
15:57 < E_mE> yes, to see if there are enough comma's per line etc
15:57 < E_mE> ill just write a script on the way home... stupid Sage software
15:57 < E_mE> bye bye
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15:58 < v-dogg> CSV file's correctness can mean many things
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16:21 < kaos|work> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=../../../../../../../../../etc/passwd%00
16:21 < kaos|work> ahahahahahahahahahah
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16:26 < _cheerios> woot
16:29 < v-dogg> they fixed it already :)
16:29 < v-dogg> or prevented 
16:29 < kaos|work> yeah
16:29 < kaos|work> but just a minute ago
16:34  * _cheerios hugs __call
16:44  * _cheerios hugs __call some more.
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17:51 < _cheerios> oh man. handling a db is no-pain w/doctrine and proper classes.
17:54 < JanK_> how to remove all attributes from a AgaviSecurityUser on logout?
17:55 < JanK_> Wombert said $this->clearCredentials(); but it does not exist.
18:01 < _cheerios> it works if you call it within User context
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18:47 < _cheerios> mission CRUD is only lacking magic route handling models now, hmms.
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19:02 < splatch`> hello
19:03 < impl> aft'noon
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20:04 < _cheerios> http://mashable.com/2007/09/26/php-toolbox/
20:05 < impl> where's agavi >:O
20:06 < _cheerios> they only added sites with webpages that don't suck
20:06 < impl> oh damn
20:06 < impl> :x
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21:42 < Wombert> y000
21:45 < impl> heya Wombie
21:45 < Wombert> mh
21:45 < Wombert> just back from oktoberfest
21:45 < impl> Are you drunk off your ass? :D
21:45 < Wombert> and I'm out of roasted almonds already
21:45 < Wombert> no
21:45 < impl> aw
21:46 < Wombert> I'm only very very very slightly drunk
21:46 < Wombert> since I went there at around 7 or so
21:46 < Wombert> so not much time :p
21:46 < impl> also, why isn't Oktoberfest in October? :s
21:46 < Wombert> haha
21:46 < Wombert> :>
21:46 < Wombert> smart guy
21:46 < impl> :D
21:47 < Wombert> The event traditionally takes place during the 16 days up to and including the first Sunday in October. The schedule was changed following German reunification in 1990 so that if the first Sunday in October falls on the 1st or 2nd, then the festival will go on until October 3rd (German Unity Day). Thus, the festival is now 17 days when the 1st Sunday is October 2nd and 18 days when it is October 1st.
21:47 < impl> Oh :D
21:47 < Wombert> I had a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendl
21:48 < Wombert> and two http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maß
21:48 < Wombert> two maß is far from being drunk
21:48 < Wombert> at least for normal people ;)
21:48 < impl> That is a large beer
21:49 < Wombert> well
21:49 < Wombert> a liter
21:49 < Wombert> pretty normal for bavarians :p
21:49 < Wombert> at least during the summer in beergardens and during oktoberfest
21:49 < Wombert> mind you, they're made of glass
21:51 < impl> 2 liters of beer seems like a lot to me, but okay
21:51 < impl> :P
21:51 < Wombert> oh no worries, the oktoberfest beer is stronger than regular beer
21:51 < Wombert> xD
21:52  * impl files this under 'strange European behaviors'
21:52 < Wombert> I think you would actually enjoy the oktoberfest very much
21:52 < Wombert> occured to me just today when I walked around in the Hacker Pschorr tent trying to find my friends
21:52 < impl> Oh, no doubt, since I can't even legally have a beer here for another 4 years
21:52 < Wombert> no not that
21:52 < Wombert> the way the entire thing works
21:53 < impl> (Pschorr?)
21:53 < Wombert> thousands of people cramped together in such a small area
21:53 < Wombert> oh that's a brewery
21:53 < Wombert> Hacker Pschorr
21:53 < impl> ah
21:53 < Wombert> you know, all the munich breweries have tents at the oktoberfest
21:53 < Wombert> you might have heard of Paulaner
21:53 < Wombert> or Löwenbräu
21:53 < impl> maybe
21:53 < Wombert> Augustiner
21:53 < impl> Lowenbrau was the one in the Wikipedia picture :D
21:53 < Wombert> Hacker Pschorr
21:53 < Wombert> Hofbräu
21:53 < Wombert> yeah
21:54 < impl> Hacker Pschorr is the best, or they all have different flavors?
21:54 < Wombert> the most popular beer in munich, as far as I can tell, is Augustiner
21:54 < Wombert> it's really good
21:54 < Wombert> you can taste the difference
21:54 < Wombert> it's not like you can tell which beer is which
21:55 < Wombert> but they are slightly different
21:55 < Wombert> most people I think prefer augustiner when they buy beer at supermarkets or so
21:55 < Wombert> if you're in a cafe or restaurant or bar, it depends on which brewery they contract with
21:55 < Wombert> my friends happened to be in the hacker tent, so I joined them ;)
21:56 < Wombert> anyway
21:56 < impl> ah :)
21:56 < Wombert> I just held on for a moment today and watched the people in that tent
21:56 < Wombert> especially the waiters and waitresses
21:56 < Wombert> pretty funny
21:57 < impl> Trying to serve a bazillion people at once?
21:57 < Wombert> yes
21:57 < Wombert> don't get in their way
21:58 < impl> :x
21:58 < Wombert> they'll just toss you aside if you hold them up
21:58 < impl> Cool
21:58 < Wombert> and yell at you
21:58 < Wombert> in oldschool bavarian fashion ;)
21:58 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oktoberfest#The_tents
21:59 < impl> oh shit
21:59 < impl> that's huge
21:59 < impl> I was thinking like booth-size tents with some overhang for seating
21:59 < Wombert> hahah
22:00 < Wombert> the löwenbräu photo actually doesn't give you an idea of the scale
22:00 < impl> the seating sizes chart does
22:01 < impl> "In 2006, 220,000 mugs were retrieved by security forces[5]." haha
22:02 < Wombert> we "borrowed" two today :p
22:02 < impl> :x
22:02 < Wombert> a friend of mine, actually; she'd promised a friend to bring her some
22:04 < impl> Ooh, you can have ox!
22:06 < Wombert> yeah
22:06 < Wombert> giant pretzels, ox, chicken, pork, everything
22:06 < Wombert> all the bavarian classics ;)
22:07 < impl> Sounds like the middle ages all over again
22:07 < impl> uhm
22:07 < impl> minus the pretzels
22:08 < impl> :P
22:13 < Wombert> xD
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02:55 < Niacin> "autoload.xml" does not have a registered handler" anyone seen this?
02:56 < Niacin> miss configured file some where?
02:59 < impl> o.O
03:01 < Niacin> no ideas?
03:01 < Niacin> does not have a registered handler in /var/www/html/agavi/src/core/Agavi.class.php on line 63
03:03 < impl> I'll have to look at it tomorrow... got way too much work to do here 
03:03 < impl> :x
03:23 < Niacin> is config_handlers.xml suppose to be blank?
03:23 < Niacin> i have the latest copy from svn ;\
03:26 < impl> In the SVN? no..
03:26 < impl> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/config/defaults/config_handlers.xml
03:28 < Niacin> ya thats the copy i have hmm
03:28 < Niacin> hmm i upgraded my php 
03:28 < Niacin> looks like that solved one problem (possible i didn't have php-dom)
03:29 < Niacin> XML Schema validation of configuration file "/var/www/html/agavi/src/config/defaults/config_handlers.xml" failed due to the following errors: 
03:29 < Niacin> Line 4: Element 'handlers', [lax WC]: The namespace of the element is not allowed.
03:30 < Niacin> in core.agavi_dir/config/AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php line 348
03:30 < Niacin>  $this->validateXmlschema($doc, (array) $files);
03:31 < Niacin> never used xml in php so i have no idea on this one... maybe old ver of php? 
03:31 < Niacin> 5.1.6
03:32 < impl> yeah
03:32 < impl> I think 5.1.6 is pretty much broken in general
03:32 < impl> upgrade *or* downgrade might work
03:33 < impl> I would go for 5.2.x though
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06:02 < _cheerios> huomenta!
06:10 < _cheerios> heh @ facebook and ad clicks http://cache.valleywag.com/images/Facebook%20campaigns-1.jpg
06:15 < Arme[N]> huomenta
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07:15 < RossC0> Huomenta!
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07:39 < Whisller> morning
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08:15 < E_mE> Huomenta!!!!!
08:16 < RossC0> HUOMENTA!!!!
08:16 < RossC0> :D
08:18 < _cheerios> RAAAAAA!!!!!
08:18 < E_mE> :D :D its a beautiful but freezing day!!
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09:08 < E_mE> RossC0: what job sites do you use?
09:15 < RossC0> none at the moment
09:15 < RossC0> :D
09:16 < RossC0> jobserve, cwjobs, google etc..
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09:46 < RossC0> any selenium users here?
09:50 < v-dogg> a-what-nium?
09:52 < E_mE> thanx RossC0
09:55 < RossC0> or watir?
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11:55 < E_mE> can anyone recommend a way of uploading a file best but store it temporialy until the whole submition is finished
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11:55 < E_mE> so for example, i request tp add new ingreident to my database
11:55 < E_mE> theni click upload pocture and it launches a new window
11:56 < E_mE> user uploads file and the main add ingredient page requests every 10-20seconds to see if a tempory image has been recieved via ajax
11:56 < E_mE> if so then it will put the path to the image on the add ingredient page
11:56 < lordHelmchen1977> hey there. do you know whether it is possible to change the mime-type of an action via output_types.xml or not?
11:56 < E_mE> then when all the details are added to the ingredient, the user click submit all details and the image that was uploaded is then copied to a perminate location
11:57 < E_mE> the problem i have is if the user tries uploading an image in another location at the same time
11:57 < E_mE> ro if they close the window just before submitting the detail, the tempory image will sit there for a time, and if they add another ingreident later on, the temp image will appear automatically
11:58 < E_mE> lordHelmchen1977: i think that is handled via View's but let me look
11:59 < v-dogg> lordHelmchen1977: http headers? yes, via output_types.xml or dynamically
12:00 < lordHelmchen1977> so i can change all httpheader-parameters via the parameters in the output_type.xml? great :-)
12:00 < lordHelmchen1977> i'll try it.
12:00  * E_mE feels still very novice :S
12:01 < v-dogg> lordHelmchen1977: http://pastebin.ca/717091
12:01 < v-dogg> E_mE: don't worry, so do I :)
12:02 < v-dogg> and I think I've been here just as long as Wombs :)
12:02 < lordHelmchen1977> thanks!
12:02 < E_mE> Wombs is the only true understander hehe
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12:39 < Wombert> Niacin: that's a libxml issue
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12:49 < E_mE> Wombert: what is the best method you can think of, of storing a uploaded file tempoarily for a longer period of time... over nth amount of actions
12:49 < E_mE> so if i uploaded the file, i could have another page running and not reading the image
12:50 < E_mE> so if i got add a new ingredient
12:50 < E_mE> i want to upload an image to it... it will only be used for that ingreident
12:50 < E_mE> and when the ingreident is finally submitted it moves the temp file to a perminate location..
12:50 < E_mE> ive been pondering the best method for this... but little worriedd
12:54 < _cheerios> er, don't keep anything "temporary". If you're going to use it in the future (possibly), just store it.
13:00 < RossC0> E_mE: if it makes you feel better you can put it in a special dir and have a cron job that cleans up all files that are n old
13:01 < E_mE> yeah that was i was gonna do
13:02 < E_mE> _cheerios: yes... but the file needs to set in the temp location until the Ingredient submiision is done... the file upload is on a seprate window which replates to the ingredient sumbition
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13:06 < _cheerios> that doesn't make any sense, but have fun :)
13:07 < ttj> "Lisäbudjetin pyytäminen edustajistolta ja hallituksen jäsenen valtuuttaminen huutokauppaan panssarivaunun hankkimiseksi TKY:lle. TKY:ltä on pitkään puuttunut omistuksestaan panssarivaunu."
13:07 < ttj> "TKY tarvitsee ehdottomasti oman panssarivaunun, sillä sen avulla Teekkarikylä- ja järjestysvastaava pitäisi kaiken maailman limuautomaattien kaatajat ja romuautojen hylkääjät kurissa!"
13:08 < Wombert>  uhm
13:08 < Wombert> okay? :p
13:08 < _cheerios> heh. talk of a weakling! :D
13:09 < ttj> Wombert: The student union is investigating possibilities of obtaining tank. :P
13:09 < _cheerios> (finnish army is selling old tanks) "We ask for more budget (Student/Community council) for a tank, to keep some order around here!"
13:09 < _cheerios> yep :D
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13:16 < Wombert> Teknillisen Korkeakoulun Ylioppilaskunta
13:16 < Wombert> haha
13:16 < Wombert> oh man I think I would enjoy finland soooo much
13:17 < ttj> Looks like TKY isn't really that tight on cash these days. :P
13:19 < ttj> Anyway, have to start moving towards Ruoholahti and go tell freshmen why this large commodity hardware company is a great place to work at.
13:21 < Wombert> heh
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13:44  * Wombert pokes RossC0 
13:45 < E_mE> _cheerios: I'll re-explain, if you want to listen?
13:46  * RossC0 pokes Wombert
13:46 < RossC0> aint got long dude meeting in 10
13:47 < Wombert> param name that tells fpf where to insert the error message
13:47 < Wombert> i.e. after the element or before or as a child
13:47 < Wombert> position? location? target? destination?
13:47 < RossC0> error_message_location
13:48 < Wombert> so location it is?
13:48 < RossC0> well its relative location really
13:50 < E_mE> I'm going to explain my problem again with better detail, see if anyone can help....
13:50 < E_mE> Im creating a page where you can add a new ingredient into the database, on this page you enter the name, region and a few other details
13:51 < E_mE> it also has "upload Image" button with an imagae above the button which says "No Image" 
13:52 < E_mE> so the user clicks on upload picture which opens a new window, which fires a uploadImageAction
13:52 < E_mE> where you browse and select your file to upload
13:52 < E_mE> it then uploads to the normal /tmp/php3232 location 
13:53 < E_mE> I then need to store it in a tempory location, so that the main Add ingreident page with the "No Image" image is replaced with the recently uploaded image
13:54 < E_mE> so when the user finally is happy with all the details and the image her/she uploaded... the user clicks submit item
13:54 < _cheerios> don't open any new window for a separate upload? attach the file upload to the main form (browse...) as the main form is submitted.
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13:54 < Zibi_> elo
13:54 < Wombert> yeah
13:54 < Wombert> or make it a separate step
13:55 < Zibi_> quick question: does 'omit_defaults' in route generating still works?
13:55 < E_mE> it then inserts the data into the database ready for authorization by the admins, the image is then moved from temp into permant as well
13:55 < RossC0> Zibi_: yes
13:55 < E_mE> and if the ingreident is refused, it will delete hte perm image and the details form the database
13:55 < RossC0> well not always
13:55 < RossC0> ..
13:56 < Wombert> I don't get it, E_mE 
13:56 < E_mE> _cheerios: i want the user to be able to see the image they are adding to the request rather then wait till the damage is done
13:56 < Wombert> let people upload images as an additional step
13:56 < _cheerios> E_mE, they see it perfectly fine when they browse and select it with their very own eyes.
13:56 < E_mE> because uploading an ingredient needs to be fairly quick if they want to upload 10 ingreidents for there recipe
13:57 < E_mE> _cheerios: i think ive delt with to many morons to allow them to use there eyes =P
13:58 < Wombert> if you don't cater to morons, they're gonna stay away from your service, which is probably exactly what you want
14:00 < E_mE> true true
14:01 < E_mE> im trying to make it easy and similistic so even my mum can use it ... 
14:01 < E_mE> but i fully get your point... 
14:02 < E_mE> i was trying to add alittle web 2.0 feel to it
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14:02 < E_mE> but i might be biting off more then i can at this phase of the development
14:03 < Wombert> usually, when things are getting that complicated, it helps to lean back and think about the approach in general again
14:04 < E_mE> :) yeah... i will take _cheerios aprroach and then when the site is working, make it pretty then
14:04 < E_mE> afterall pretty things don't have not legs
14:04 < E_mE> -not
14:05 < E_mE> thanx _cheerios & Wombert  .... 
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14:20 < _cheerios> is it possible to add a (SELECT....) AS something subquery select with doctrine?
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14:34 < CIA-11> david * r2101 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php: (log message trimmed)
14:34 < CIA-11> Refactored FPF error insertion a bit, now uses ${errorMessage} instead of %s as
14:34 < CIA-11> placeholder for the message. Each parameter with xpath expression as key can now
14:34 < CIA-11> either be just the message markup, or have child parameters "markup", "location"
14:34 < CIA-11> (one of "before", "after", "replace" and "child", default is "after") and
14:34 < CIA-11> "container", which can have markup for a container to wrap all messages. It is
14:34 < CIA-11> inserted at the given (or default) location instead of the indidivual elements,
14:34 < _cheerios> seemed to work fine. doctrine throws some fatal cathable errors, but atleast not php ones.
14:34 < Wombert> doctrine throws user errors?
14:34 < Wombert> zomg
14:35 < RossC0> _cheerios: whats your question?
14:35 < _cheerios> [27-Sep-2007 17:37:24] PHP Catchable fatal error:  Argument 2 passed to Doctrine_Hydrate_Record::search() must be an instance of Doctrine_Collection, string given, called in /code/fr/libs/doctrine/Doctrine/Hydrate.php on line 1079 and defined in /code/fr/libs/doctrine/Doctrine/Hydrate/Record.php on line 49
14:35 < _cheerios> could be something funky in my query :)
14:35 < RossC0> yup most likely
14:35 < Wombert> that's a php error, not a doctrine error
14:36 < _cheerios> oh, you're right. the query ran fine and all.
14:36 < Wombert> RossC0: 
14:36 < Wombert> 				<parameter name="error_messages">
14:36 < Wombert> 					<parameter name="self::*">
14:36 < Wombert> 						<parameter name="markup"><![CDATA[<li>${errorMessage}</li>]]></parameter>
14:36 < Wombert> 						<parameter name="container"><![CDATA[<ol>${errorMessages}</ol>]]></parameter>
14:36 < Wombert> 					</parameter>
14:36 < Wombert> 				</parameter>
14:37 < RossC0> Wombert: Pastie!
14:41 < _cheerios> RossC0, ah, was a hasMany instead of hasOne that caused the errata.
14:44 < RossC0> Wombert: can I get routing to output with all defaults but pass no params ?
14:45 < RossC0> i.e. gen(null, array(), array('omit_defaults' => false))
14:45 < RossC0> or something to force the defaults ?
14:47 < RossC0> refill_all_parameters?
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14:56 < Wombert> yeah I think if you set that to false
14:56 < Wombert> then it's not gonna use the values from the request, RossC0 
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15:02 < RossC0> aghghhh routing is giving me grief
15:02 < RossC0> its missing a default
15:02 < RossC0> (doing it on purpose I reckon!)
15:03 < Wombert> maybe kaos|work can help
15:03 < Wombert> from what you described, it sounded like a bug
15:03 < Wombert> maybe you could create a reproduce case and file a ticket
15:03 < kaos|work> that would be ace
15:04 < RossC0> well I just dont get it - its working else where - will you check my configs
15:05 < kaos|work> i can look at it
15:06 < kaos|work> can I get routing to output with all defaults but pass no params ? <-- without the stuff that matched ?
15:07 < Wombert> he mentioned something yesterday about additional get params and tons of wrong slashes in the generated url
15:08 < RossC0> http://pastie.caboo.se/101400
15:08 < RossC0> its the same route
15:08 < RossC0> its evil!
15:09 < RossC0> other routes work fine..
15:09 < kaos|work> well, give me a few minutes, i need to finish some work first
15:10 < RossC0> ok cheers
15:12 < RossC0> got it
15:12 < RossC0> url: localhost:/assessment => works localhost:/assessment/ doesn't work
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15:14 < Wombert> hmm
15:14 < Wombert> I meant to ask if it might be that optional trailing slash
15:14 < Wombert> TOLD YOU THEY MEAN TROUBLE!
15:14 < RossC0> THEY ARE EVIL
15:25 < RossC0> Hmm kinda hard to work round
15:26 < RossC0> hehehe got it :D
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15:33 < RossC0> hello JanK_
15:33 < JanK_> hi
15:42 < RossC0> Wombert: using Agavi FPF :D
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15:49 < Wombert> woot :)
15:49  * Wombert just bought three albums on iTunes
15:50 < Wombert> now I need a new iPod because I have more than 20 gigabytes worth of music :p
15:50 < kaos|work> RossC0: this looks like some serious hickup in the routing
15:51 < kaos|work> i can reproduce it here, will have a look
15:51 < kaos|work> or rather hmm
15:52 < RossC0> its the trailing slash causing chaos
15:52 < kaos|work> i don't think that i can fix this
15:52 < RossC0> yup
15:52 < RossC0> I'm working round
15:52 < Wombert> cant you give the slash a name and a default and an ignore
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15:52 < kaos|work> but hmm
15:52 < Wombert> but then mhm its not gonna be there with omit defaults lala
15:53 < kaos|work> the general problem is
15:53 < kaos|work> that it has to generate everything before page
15:53 < kaos|work> whcih it doesn't for some reason
15:53 < kaos|work> but instead everything after
15:53 < kaos|work> or, ah, it does
15:53 < kaos|work> it just does the stuff at the end as well (which it wouldn't need to)
15:54 < kaos|work> and the reason why you get those // is that it fills the defaults with the matched inputs
15:55 < kaos|work> (which get set because there is that trailing slash matched at the end of the string)
15:55 < kaos|work> which makes pcre behave a little differently it seems
15:55 < kaos|work> (if the slash is not there it doesn't even set the named params before
15:56 < kaos|work> but if it's there it does
15:56 < kaos|work> whcih would require a rather radical change in the behaviour of that part (i would need to regard empty string as not matched as well)
15:56 < kaos|work> and not set the default in that case
15:57 < RossC0> hmm
15:58 < kaos|work> which is a rather big bc problem imho
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15:58 < JanK_> how to pass the session id as a get parameter?
15:58 < Wombert> eww
15:58 < Wombert> why do you want that
15:59 < JanK_> because uploads with flash can only send get parameters
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16:00 < Wombert> uh? oO
16:01 < RossC0> kaos|work: curses
16:01 < JanK_> (digitarald) "Flash FileReference is stupid, the request will have no cookies or additional post data." http://digitarald.de/project/fancyupload/
16:02 < kaos|work> well, one solution would be to add yet another parameter
16:02 < kaos|work> like ignore_inputs
16:03 < kaos|work> but to support that i would need to change the way how the matched parameters are set itnernally completely
16:03 < RossC0> ok lets go for a work around in my routing!
16:03 < RossC0> :D
16:03 < kaos|work> which i really don't want to do in this stage of the release process 
16:03 < JanK_> if its difficult i'll skip the stuff with the sessid as get data first
16:04 < Wombert> don't think so
16:04 < Wombert> passing the sess id should work just fine
16:04 < Wombert> unless you have session.use_only_cookies on
16:05 < JanK_> oh, so i can just use the default php passing with agavi?
16:05 < Wombert> uh, yes, of course
16:05 < Wombert> $ro->gen('tehroute', array(session_name() => session_id()));
16:06 < Wombert> then you'll have /path/to/tehroute?PHPSESSID=7123517868as5461243678
16:06 < kaos|work> rather AGAVI=xxx
16:06 < kaos|work> ;)
16:06 < Wombert> ah yes of course
16:06 < Wombert> but that's why I'm using session_name() :p
16:06 < kaos|work> :D
16:06 < JanK_> thanks Wombert
16:07 < Wombert> please let me know if you have trouble with that, JanK_ 
16:07 < JanK_> yes sire ;)
16:09 < RossC0> kaos|work: ok nearly sorted with the new route - one fail: http://pastie.caboo.se/101431
16:10 < Wombert> eww wtf?
16:10 < Wombert> is it not the trailing slash?
16:10 < Wombert> also, RossC0, that is utter nonsense
16:10 < Wombert> because it would match /assessmentavailable
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16:11 < RossC0> sure but I need a work round asap
16:11 < Wombert> why don't you just leave out the trailing slash
16:12 < RossC0> cool
16:13 < Wombert> does that work?
16:13 < RossC0> but still  /assessmentavailable is doable
16:13 < RossC0> which aint great but does mean I can push to staging
16:14 < Wombert> yes, move that slash back into the prefix
16:15 < kaos|work> pattern="^(/{})?
16:15 < kaos|work> works
16:16 < RossC0> good because localhost/assessment/ lead to a 404
16:16 < Wombert> yes
16:16 < Wombert> and it should!
16:16 < Wombert> :p
16:16 < Wombert> just have your urls consistent and avoid trailing slashes
16:17 < RossC0> but my users aren't consistent
16:17 < Wombert> then they will learn to be
16:17 < RossC0> the only consistency is they seem to like ie6
16:18 < Wombert> besides, I'm pretty sure most of them never enter urls by hand
16:18 < RossC0> Wombert then they wont use the app
16:18 < Wombert> I've never seen anyone do that in my entire life
16:18 < Wombert> people either use bookmarks, or they go to the front page and click through
16:18 < Wombert> that's what URLs are about, they are unique
16:19 < Wombert> this automatic slash adding is one of the worst things ever invented if you ask me
16:19 < Wombert> besides, as you can see, trailing slashes are a bitch to cater for
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16:19 < Wombert> _cheerios missed the whole discussion zomg!
16:19 < _cheerios> woot?
16:19 < RossC0> Wombert: sure but still
16:19 < RossC0> we should be able to handle a little thing like a trailing slash
16:20 < Wombert> it's not a little thing
16:20 < Wombert> it's a big deal
16:20 < Wombert> if people tell you they want this little thing, tell them it aint one
16:20 < Wombert> that's why we're the developers, not them
16:20 < RossC0> only in our implementation terms
16:20 < Wombert> ;)
16:22 < _cheerios> we have an "Oktoberfest" next to the shopping mall where I live. Nice touch :D
16:22 < _cheerios> that is, a small tent with a live band
16:22 < Wombert> damn copycats
16:23 < Wombert> and I thought only the chinese did these things
16:25 < RossC0> Wombert: all trailing slashes have now been removed
16:25 < RossC0> :D
16:25 < Wombert> RossC0: I really don't think it's gonna be a big deal
16:25 < Wombert> no url ends on slash and period
16:26 < _cheerios> did your routes break due $ at the end of pattern?
16:26 < RossC0> PM didn't agree
16:26 < Wombert> humans are very good at learning patterns
16:26 < RossC0> but we'll see
16:26 < Wombert> the users will adapt in no time
16:26 < RossC0> Wombert: humans are stupid
16:26 < Wombert> only thing that might happen is that current bookmarks break
16:26 < Wombert> now that you changed it
16:26 < RossC0> Sure
16:26 < Wombert> keep that in mind when people file bug reports
16:26 < Wombert> i.e. ask them if they used a bookmark or if they really typed it in
16:26 < RossC0> is there a method to match a url to routes?
16:27 < _cheerios> 2007 and a trailing slash owns you!
16:27 < Wombert> I'm betting a pint of that nice japanese beer it's not gonna bother anyone
16:27 < RossC0> because if there is I could just redirect the page
16:28 < Wombert> I'd do an apache rule for it
16:28 < Wombert> i.e. mod_rewrite
16:28 < Wombert> much bett0r
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16:28 < _cheerios> im microwavin' food to get back to work faster. how sad.
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16:29 < Wombert> _cheerios: sad indeed
16:29  * RossC0 hugs Wombert and kaos|work
16:29 < RossC0> thanks for your help guys
16:29 < RossC0> ++ karama
16:29 < Wombert> need help with the rewrite, my friend?
16:29  * Wombert hugs RossC0 
16:29 < RossC0> ** Karma 
16:29 < RossC0> :-[
16:29 < RossC0> yeah sure why not :D
16:30 < Wombert> RewriteRule ^(.+)/$ $1
16:30 < Wombert> ;)
16:30 < Wombert> maybe also add the same RewriteCond there that is used for the "normal" agavi rewrite
16:30 < Wombert> oh and
16:30 < Wombert> RewriteRule ^(.+)/$ $1 [R]
16:30 < Wombert> so an external redirect happens
16:30 < Wombert> that's important
16:31 < _cheerios> watching rewrite logs is like; "damn, you have path alread. use it! <loops> use it! <loops> use it dammit! <loops x10 with same value, then uses it> finally..."
16:31 < Wombert> hopes he's not talking complete bollocks
16:32 < Wombert> yeah _cheerios has a point
16:32 < Wombert> RewriteRule ^(.+)/+$ $1 [R]
16:32 < Wombert> better ;)
16:32 < RossC0> hmm
16:32 < RossC0> its messing with the basehref
16:32 < RossC0> wierd
16:33 < RossC0> Wombert - its not redirecting
16:34 < Wombert> 2tics
16:35 < Wombert> ah
16:35 < Wombert> RewriteRule ^$ index.php?/ [QSA,L]
16:35 < Wombert> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
16:35 < Wombert> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
16:35 < Wombert> RewriteRule ^(.+)/+$ $1 [R,L]
16:35 < Wombert> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
16:35 < Wombert> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
16:35 < Wombert> RewriteRule (.*) index.php?/$1 [QSA,L]
16:35 < Wombert> that works
16:35 < Wombert> actually, you can combine the two
16:35 < Wombert> xD
16:36 < Wombert> oh no you can't
16:36 < Wombert> sorry
16:36 < Wombert> you have to have an external redirect
16:36 < Wombert> but yes, that works for me
16:37  * RossC0 hugs Wombert
16:37 < RossC0> woot
16:37 < Wombert> works?
16:37 < RossC0> yup
16:37 < Wombert> now your PM can't say anything ;)
16:37 < Wombert> you deserve a beer now!
16:37 < Wombert> :>
16:37 < RossC0> thats lucky because the content guys - all their copied and pasted urls have a trailing slash!
16:37 < RossC0> woot
16:37 < Wombert> saved the world once more!
16:37  * RossC0 buys Wombert a pint
16:37 < Wombert> fantastic
16:38  * Wombert takes a sip
16:38 < Wombert> mmmmmh :)
16:38 < Arme[N]> haha 
16:39 < Wombert> RossC0: before you run
16:39 < Wombert> hang in there just a sec
16:40 < RossC0> quick train is leaving soon :D
16:40 < Wombert> was just looking at that cookie plus redirect thing
16:40 < Wombert> seems pretty odd
16:41 < Wombert> can't find the cause right now
16:41 < Wombert> but will look into it
16:41 < RossC0> was just looking at that cookie plus redirect thing ?
16:41 < Wombert> btw
16:41 < RossC0> whats was that?
16:41 < Wombert> ah what you posted to the dev list
16:41 < RossC0> ah yeah
16:41 < Wombert> btw
16:41 < Wombert> $res->setCookie('hide_welcome_message', true, "+2 weeks");
16:41 < Wombert> much cooler ;)
16:41 < RossC0> sweet
16:42 < RossC0> Wombert: discuss that one tomorrow !
16:42 < Wombert> kay
16:42 < RossC0> its not urgent - was more of a use case
16:42 < Wombert> kk
16:42 < RossC0> laters all! have a good one!
16:42 < Wombert> bai
16:43 < Wombert> get home safe
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16:51 < _cheerios> "You will never become a Great Programmer until you acknowledge that you will always be a Terrible Programmer." :D
16:55 < _cheerios> the blog loaded, so had to check the fuzz http://kickin-the-darkness.blogspot.com/2007/09/confessions-of-terrible-programmer.html
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18:02 < Wombert> time to go home
18:02 < Wombert> laters
18:08 < _cheerios> no bed at work? lack of commitment!
18:08 < ttj> Serious lack of commitment!
18:18 < JanK_> do you have a suggestion how to serve the static content? meet the team / about / policy / problems signing in / etc
18:18 < JanK_> ways i can think of: one action (Static) with multiple templates, an action for each (very verbose), database (it doesnt belong into the database, imho)
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18:47 < _cheerios> im not sure if you can map routing rules to files. it would be cool, tho.
18:48  * _cheerios nudges kaos|work 
18:48 < JanK_> they still need the decorator
18:48 < JanK_> so i need at least one action, i suppose
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20:08 < _cheerios> the fk. in smarty you can get templates from db, as long as your code is not OO... ?
20:10 < impl> wha?
20:12 < _cheerios> PHP4 projects :|
20:28 < _cheerios> they give you callback resources, but they need be defined outside classes
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20:40 < Wombert> http://www.ffk-wilkinson.com/
20:48 < impl> why am I looking at a spinning razor
20:50 < impl> haha what the hell
20:51 < _cheerios> did you play?
20:51 < impl> No
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21:07 < MrJeep> anyone's using BLOB with propel 1.3 ?
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21:58 < MrJeep> mh
21:58 < MrJeep> i create a directory named images
21:58 < MrJeep> and I save an image in this directory
21:58 < MrJeep> and php delete the whole directory instead of saving the image..
22:00 < MrJeep> arg
22:00 < MrJeep> wtf
22:07 < MrJeep> could agavi be responsible for deleting the app/cache/* contents ?
22:07 < MrJeep> because this is seriously annoying :S
22:08 < MrJeep> i created /app/cache/images
22:08 < MrJeep> and everytime the app is executed, the directory is deleted
22:09 < MrJeep> arg
22:09 < MrJeep> sounds like this is my case :S
22:09 < MrJeep> i mean, sounds like agavi is deleting the /app/cache/* 
22:09 < impl> In debug mode, it probably does
22:09 < impl> actually
22:09 < impl> I don't think it has any reason to
22:09 < impl> but maybe it's a recent change
22:10 < MrJeep> I had this problem like 3 weeks ago too
22:10 < MrJeep> I've got pissed off and I've blamed gd
22:10 < MrJeep> but.. now that I know it's agavi .. :S
22:10 < MrJeep> I guess I'll just change my directory to somewhere else
22:32 < Wombert> eh
22:32 < Wombert> yes
22:32 < Wombert> agavi removes app/cache contents when debug mode ison
22:32 < Wombert> that's what the debug setting is about
22:32 < impl> I thought it just cleared /config
22:33 < impl> guess it makes sense thoug
22:33 < impl> h
22:33 < Wombert> no, it clears everything
22:48 < Wombert> impl: btw I finished the fpf error container thing
22:48 < Wombert> MrJeep: you might like that :)
22:48 < impl> How'd you end up doing it?
22:48 < Wombert> fpf can now insert error messages into the form
22:48 < Wombert> mh
22:48 < MrJeep> oh yeah !?
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22:48 < Wombert> 					<parameter name="self::*">
22:48 < Wombert> 						<parameter name="markup"><![CDATA[<li>${errorMessage}</li>]]></parameter>
22:48 < Wombert> 						<parameter name="container"><![CDATA[<ol>${errorMessages}</ol>]]></parameter>
22:48 < Wombert> 					</parameter>
22:48 < Wombert> :S
22:48 < MrJeep> I agree, I'll like that
22:49 < Wombert> impl: I played around forever, there is no user friendly way to do that without a ${lolz} in the container markup
22:49 < MrJeep> well, there goes my FormErrors object :P
22:49 < impl> mm.
22:49 < impl> Oh well, doesn't look too bad anyway
22:49 < Wombert> if you have a container, then <parmaeter name="location">before</parameter> applies to the container, not the individual elements
22:49 < impl> makes sense
22:49 < Wombert> would you agree that thedefault location shall be "after" ?
22:49 < impl> Yeah
22:50 < impl> because usually people put the label before
22:51 < Wombert> well that depends on where your xpath points
22:51 < Wombert> the one above points to the erroneous element itself
22:51 < Wombert> problem with that of course is
22:52 < Wombert> that the second message is inserted before the first one
22:52 < Wombert> but can't really fix that without a container I guess
22:52 < Wombert> which I reckon most people will use
22:52 < Wombert> just need to add more refined error/incident checks
22:53 < Wombert> like... which of the three date dropdowns gets the error
22:53 < Wombert> or what about the "the passwords did not match" message for the equals validator
22:53 < Wombert> that does not belong to either field iirc
22:53 < Wombert> need to play with the errors and incidents a little to find out
22:54 < Wombert> because I also want FPF to add error messages it could not insert (because no xpaths matched) to an attribute so you can output them above the form as a last resort
22:55 < Wombert> btw
22:55 < Wombert> response has setCookie()
22:55 < Wombert> and removeCookie() to undo a setCookie() call
22:55 < Wombert> how bout a convenience method to really unset a cookie that is already there
22:55 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/577
22:56 < Wombert> would it be unsetCookie() or destroyCookie()?
22:56 < Wombert> delete would be too ambiguous me thinks
22:58 < Wombert> or do you think we can expect users to call setCookie and use false as the value
22:58 < Wombert> (which causes php to delete it)
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05:28 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:47 < _cheerios> huomenta x_X
06:50 < _cheerios> wtf. it's friday? wow. seems weeks go by... like a snap.
06:51 < v-dogg> hmm... if I set $userParameters manually in a routing callback, why arent the values set in my url?
06:53 < _cheerios> callbacks run in some wacked container of their own
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06:56 < _cheerios> good for checks, but not sure you can interact with the running instance
06:56 < v-dogg> it's because I have an optional param
06:56 < v-dogg> I know I can, my cms uses it
06:57 < v-dogg> I'd say this is a bug
06:57 < _cheerios> ah, maybe i would've needed the parent::initialize. when i tried to do more work in the callback all i got was blanks.
07:01 < _cheerios> im still processing a disturbing anime ending. too much psycho for a morning :D
07:01 < Whisller> morning
07:05 < v-dogg> ze laptop is here! ze laptop is here!
07:06 < _cheerios> you on mac too?
07:11 < Wombert> huomenta
07:12 < Wombert> v-dogg: macbook?
07:12 < Wombert> oh wait I bet you ordered one of those 'tarded IBMs
07:12 < Wombert> v-dogg: so you can't overwrite an optional param in a callback?
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07:20 < v-dogg> mac? me? nah
07:20 < v-dogg> Acer w/ Win Vista :)
07:21 < _cheerios> that's the spirit!
07:21 < Wombert> ACER
07:21 < Wombert> ZOMG
07:21 < Wombert> they break all the time
07:21 < RossC0> Huomenta!
07:21 < v-dogg> I've been using one 4 years
07:21 < Wombert> how many HEY DUMBFUCK YOU CLICKED THE WRONG BUTTON. CANCEL OR ALLOW? dialogs did you have so far?
07:21 < RossC0> v-dogg is sooo uncool
07:21 < Wombert> he is!
07:21  * v-dogg sobs
07:21 < v-dogg> you are so harsh!
07:21 < _cheerios> lollertops
07:22 < Wombert> JUST HONEST KTHX
07:22 < RossC0> Mind you I have windows at work and I found a good use for it: watir Rocks :D
07:22 < RossC0> cruel to be kind...
07:25 < v-dogg> I wanted a small laptop and now I have one - 12.1" screen, 2kg weight
07:25 < Wombert> hah
07:25 < Wombert> you could have gotten a state of the art mbp!
07:25 < Wombert> with ace aluminium alloy shell
07:25 < Wombert> 2kg!
07:26 < Wombert> and 15"!
07:26 < Wombert> mine is bigger than youuuuhouuurs
07:26  * Wombert sings
07:26 < Wombert> oh wait
07:26 < v-dogg> and stop using all of the company software :)
07:26 < Wombert> macs run windows these days!
07:26 < _cheerios> watir seems interesting.
07:27 < v-dogg> Wombert: how much would it have cost? with 160GB HD and 2GB RAM?
07:28 < Wombert> 2gb are and 160gb are standard now on macbook pros
07:28 < Wombert> I think
07:28 < Wombert> but yeah, certainly considerably more
07:28 < Wombert> how much did you pay?
07:28 < v-dogg> 900 e
07:28 < RossC0> I'm getting my mac book next year :D
07:28 < Wombert> a normal macbook woud probably have been inthe same price range
07:28 < RossC0> when the new specs are released :D
07:28 < _cheerios> you can get a laptop for 500e these days! good for email.
07:28 < Wombert> yeah that's the price you pay in apple on campus stores (which I assume you have access to)
07:29 < RossC0> hopefully they'll be metal and glass as well..
07:29 < v-dogg> campus store?
07:29 < Wombert> yeah, around 100 to 200 bucks off the regular price
07:29 < Wombert> many universities have that
07:29 < Wombert> it's an online store :p
07:30 < v-dogg> don't think we have one
07:30 < Wombert> it all depends on your budget. if you're getting close to 1500 to 2000 eurs, a mbp is usually the best deal (have seen some recent comparisons, and they were cheaper and with better features than comparable ibms, dells, samsungs)
07:31 < Wombert> the normal macbook is a pretty good deal as well especially considering that it has firewire, optical audio in and out, and dvi
07:32 < v-dogg> who uses firewire anymore? isn't usb2 just as fast or even faster?
07:32 < v-dogg> but guys, can we please not focus on my laptop for a sec
07:33 < v-dogg> and fix the issue I have with routing cbs :)
07:33 < RossC0> fromm #mootools: ***RossC0 ponders on what new languages there are being born now that will be popular in 2017
07:33 < Wombert> yes :p well firewire is good for hard drives ;)
07:33 < RossC0>  http://slate.tunes.org/
07:34 < Wombert> v-dogg: works in the sample app w/ the optional language param tho
07:34 < RossC0> need more obscure / new languages :D
07:34 < Wombert> oh wait that's not optional
07:34 < Wombert> does it work w/o optional?
07:34 < v-dogg> yup
07:35 < Wombert> and if you give the param in gen() ?
07:35 < v-dogg> works too
07:35 < Wombert> then it's a bug
07:35 < Wombert> can you file a ticket
07:35 < v-dogg> only if I don't give parameters and set it in the cb it doesn't show up
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07:35 < v-dogg> ticketywickety
07:36 < v-dogg> I'll see if I can figure it out
07:37 < digitarald> Huomenta
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07:43 < Wombert> office =>
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07:45 < v-dogg> does the macbook have fingerprint reader?! :D
07:45 < v-dogg> (it probably has retinal scanner so I'll just shut up :)
07:47 < RossC0> v-dogg: it has a camera so you could have face recognition.
07:47 < RossC0> but then someone might cut your face off to get on into it...
07:47 < RossC0> hmm - they should make a movie like that!!!
07:49 < _cheerios> another Battle Royale?
07:52 < v-dogg> RossC0: ever saw Face Off ?-)
07:52 < RossC0> Face Off??
07:52  * RossC0 googles
07:52 < RossC0> ZOMG THIEVES STOLE MY PRECIOUS!
07:52 < shoan> macbook doesn't have a finger print reader built in
07:52 < v-dogg> http://imdb.com/title/tt0119094/
07:53  * shoan uses a macbook
07:53  * RossC0 demands royalties
07:54 < digitarald> ... so somebody that only wants to steal your macbook has to take your head
07:54 < digitarald> damn
07:56 < RossC0> yeah kinda conspicuous
08:05 < v-dogg> kinda scary if you ask me. I'll continue as a happy windows users thank you very much!
08:05 < RossC0> v-dogg: typo
08:05 < RossC0> I'll continue as THE happy windows users thank you very much!
08:09 < v-dogg> the one and only?-)
08:15  * _cheerios dances with penguins
08:16 < RossC0> _cheerios sleeps with penguins
08:16 < _cheerios> and that is perfectly A-OKAY in today's modern society
08:19  * _cheerios is still thinking about the anime ending he watched earlier this morning. I haven't been this thrown off since, well, dunno :D Cartoons can be sick!
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08:54 < Wombert> zomg
08:54  * Wombert hates this weather
08:54  * Wombert hates his coffee machine
08:54 < Wombert> zomg zomg
08:54 < E_mE> lovely weather here
08:54 < E_mE> claer blue skies
08:54 < E_mE> but bloody hell i'm feel rough... stupid hangover
08:55 < Wombert> in england?
08:55 < Wombert> you've got to be kidding me
08:55 < Wombert> zomg
08:55  * Wombert hates this world and how unfair it is
08:56 < RossC0> Wombert let go of your hate
08:56 < E_mE> well, i live in the hottest if not wettest part of the UK
08:56 < RossC0> you'll turn to the darkside
08:56 < E_mE> the west costal regions rain the most.. but we do get very nice weather at times.. 
08:57 < Wombert> fear leads to anger
08:58 < E_mE> Wombert: do you remember on the news about 2-3 years ago there waas that little town called Boscastle that flooded really badly due to heavy rain?
08:58 < Wombert> anger leads to hate
08:58 < Wombert> haaate
08:58 < Wombert> leads to suffering!
08:58 < E_mE> pain is the mind killer, i will face my pain =P  
08:58 < Wombert> uh... not really, E_mE 
08:58 < E_mE> it was a very bad flood which washed out a whole town in one evening
08:58 < Wombert> THIS COFFEE IS ONE UNBOUNDED CHEEK
08:59 < Wombert> FOR PETES SAKE
08:59 < E_mE> feel the angggeerrrr GGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!
08:59 < Wombert> AND I CANNOT GO OUT TO BUY A DIFFERENT BRAND BECAUSE THEN I'M SOAKING WET
08:59 < Wombert> ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG
08:59  * RossC0 hugs Wombert
08:59 < RossC0> btw can I change send_response in runtime?
08:59 < E_mE> put on loads of wetproof cloathing Wombert
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08:59 < Wombert> or maybe I'm just a pussy...
08:59 < RossC0> for ze controller
08:59 < Wombert> RossC0: sure
09:00  * RossC0 slaps Wombert - grow up man your hysterical - and not in the funny sense
09:00 < RossC0> *you're
09:00 < RossC0> zomg
09:00 < Wombert> lolz
09:00 < Wombert> NOT FUNNY?
09:00 < Wombert> NOT FUNNY?
09:00 < Wombert> :>
09:00  * RossC0 abandons the english language
09:01  * RossC0 abuses the english language
09:01 < RossC0> thats better
09:01 < RossC0> ok Wombert how?
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09:02 < Wombert> RossC0: err
09:02 < Wombert> $controller->setParameter('send_response', false);
09:02 < Wombert> probably
09:02 < lordHelmchen1977> hey there! does anyone of you know a good description of the agavi-slot-system?
09:03 < Whisller> hmm In JavaScript isn't possible to set default value for arg of function O.o
09:03 < RossC0> sweeet
09:04 < _cheerios> Whisller, there's solutions for that. Goooogle around.
09:04 < Wombert> lordHelmchen1977: I once described it in an email to the list a bit
09:05 < Wombert> I think it was the users mailing list
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09:08 < _cheerios> http://p.caboo.se/private/bkukuprtrvialpokvt74g smarty/php
09:11 < Wombert> _cheerios: is that a question? :p
09:12 < _cheerios> just playing around. i need smarty in a project. just was testing populating. and wondering how to have gettext work in smarty templates.
09:12 < E_mE> what do you say to annoying work colleuege that ask you ... how long till my report is complete... take in mind that i;ve only just looking at the new database???
09:12 < Wombert> _cheerios: not using agavi?
09:12 < _cheerios> sure, why?
09:12 < RossC0> zomg - get out of the channel!
09:13 < Wombert> zomg!
09:13 < Wombert> what are you doing to your forms, dude
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09:13 < _cheerios> tell me!
09:13 < Wombert> why don't you use FPF
09:14 < _cheerios> doing what?
09:14 < Wombert> and please don't tell me you're doing AgaviContext::getInstance()->getTranslationManager()->_() in your __() function
09:14 < Wombert> pre-populate a form!
09:17 < _cheerios> ah, yeah, was populating it directly there
09:17 < _cheerios> $pm->render('comment.form.tpl',$form);
09:17 < Wombert> and even in smarty you can {$tm->_('lala')}
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09:18 < _cheerios> hmm, thanks for the tip
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09:29 < _cheerios> so much to do. importing db with doctrine is all fine, if it would just get the constraints too (which it doesn't seem to).
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10:16 < _cheerios> any advice to getting head first into agile development? steps to integrate the (basic) process so it becomes a habit, and the resulting workflow for each unit of work?
10:20 < Wombert> uuuuh
10:20 < Wombert> "agile development" is a pretty fuzzy term
10:21 < Wombert> TDD, for instance, is considered an agile technique
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10:23 < Wombert> if you do XP, I'd recommend you still have a rough plan of things ahead, simply because you can then cater for future requirements in your architecture, so you spend less time refactoring or bitching about the customer asking for "just a simple button over there" that demands a complete rewrite
10:23 < Wombert> that does not mean you need to have typical german over-engineering of things, of course ;)
10:24 < _cheerios> well, a list of personal preference to iterations would be helpful. (For you) Does it include phpdoc documentation? how much phpunit(s)? how much analysis/docs to accompany?
10:24 < Wombert> if you work in a team, SCRUM can help for project management
10:24 < Wombert> I've never done it 100% properly (i.e. with sprints and stuff) but I know people who did (including RossC0) and they all seemed pretty happy about it
10:25 < Wombert> _cheerios: I often write the docs first, then the code
10:25 < Wombert> right now, with agavis completely non existant testing infrastructure, I don't do TDD
10:25 < _cheerios> when you write docs first, what does that mean? what kind of docs is the result?
10:25 < Wombert> phpdocs
10:26 < Wombert> but I don't think that could be called agile development
10:26 < Wombert> phpdocs and inline documentation is something every programmer should do, no matter the approach
10:26 < _cheerios> so you write "placeholders" for the code, type in what it should do, and when you're satisfied you got the logic down, write the code?
10:26 < Wombert> I wouldn't call it that :p
10:27 < Wombert> I regard phpdocs as an essential part of the method signature ;)
10:27 < _cheerios> eg. /** (explanation of what will happen) */ public function foo() { (when explanation is satisfactory,code it in)}
10:27 < Wombert> but yeah, I sometimes write code that uses stuff that doesn't exist yet, or just in stubs, and implement that other part later
10:27 < Wombert> ah
10:27 < Wombert> yeah I guess
10:27 < Wombert> but that's not TDD or agile
10:28 < _cheerios> yeah, thats just software engineering :)
10:28 < Wombert> you simply put your thoughts into code ;) whereas with TDD (which is something very desirable IMO) you do more than just that before you do the actual implementation
10:33 < _cheerios> hmmk, i'll give TDD a shit.
10:34 < _cheerios> i sound like an italian now with my typos.
10:35 < _cheerios> what does agavi need to support TDD?
10:35 < Wombert> nothing
10:35 < Wombert> but I'd like native functionality for it
10:36 < Wombert> so that when you create an action, it does test stubs for action and view for you
10:36 < Wombert> (and models)
10:36 < Wombert> so you go to your project and just do ./agavi test
10:36 < Wombert> and it runs all your tests
10:37 < Wombert> with support to mock models and actions and views
10:37 < Wombert> but that's soemthing for 1.0 and where we'll probably also need outside advice (I wanted to hire sebastian bergmann for that task)
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10:48 < RossC0> TDD sucks BDD rules
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10:52 < MikeSeth> ZDD DD DDDD D!
10:53 < RossC0> But I usually do DDD
10:53 < RossC0> sorry DDT - Defect Driven Testing
11:01 < Wombert> shoan: that never happened to me so far
11:01 < Wombert> and I have three power adapters ;)
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11:56 < E_mE> i have RewriteBase /var/ww/segilive/pub/  as my setting in .htaccess
11:56 < E_mE> but it keeps generating http://vinoonline/segi/index.php/blah
11:58 < v-dogg> use the www path, not the file path
11:59 < v-dogg> e.g. www.foo.com/mysite/ => RwBase /mysite/
12:00 < E_mE> sorry?
12:00 < E_mE> ive changed the .htaccess file to /segi/  and /segi/pub/
12:00 < E_mE> same problem still occurs
12:11 < _cheerios> using / works most of the time
12:11 < _cheerios> plus ofc, having the mod_rewrite enabled
12:13 < _cheerios> so i cant become a TDD snob without being looked down upon by BDD snobs ?!?!!?!?
12:42 < _cheerios> Wombert, does phpunit have a graphical (html with pretty colors  + files + test involved) output available?
12:43 < v-dogg> E_mE: (sorry a bit busy here) are you sure you have mod_rewrite enabled and apache configured to allow .htaccess (AllowOverride or something like that)
12:44 < _cheerios> seems there is one, but for older v2 branch http://www.defusion.org.uk/code/phpunit2-html-runner/
12:46 < E_mE> v-dogg: how can i check?
12:46 < E_mE> besides look at the config
12:46 < E_mE> its cool man... im busy attacking SQL
12:59 < Wombert> _cheerios: yes I think so
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13:09 < _cheerios> simpletest worth using to get started, or straight to phpunit?
13:10 < Wombert> http://blogs.herod.net/steven/archives/230
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13:17 < _cheerios> that's quite a strong no for simpletest
13:19 < kaos|work> well, just don't ;)
13:20 < kaos|work> there is not so much difference in the methologies
13:20 < kaos|work> agavi has been using simpletest in the beginning
13:20 < kaos|work> and we switched to phpunit
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13:45 < E_mE> how can i make agavi ignore a route
13:45 < E_mE> so in the pub folder i've got a symlink to /var/www/intranet/intranet/
13:46 < E_mE> ignore me... 
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13:49 < MrJeep> there is some doc about the new stuff with the fpf on the commit digest ?
14:04 < Wombert> MrJeep: try
14:04 < Wombert> 				<parameter name="error_messages">
14:04 < Wombert> 					<parameter name="self::*">
14:04 < Wombert> 						<parameter name="markup"><![CDATA[<li>${errorMessage}</li>]]></parameter>
14:04 < Wombert> 						<parameter name="container"><![CDATA[<ol>${errorMessages}</ol>]]></parameter>
14:04 < Wombert> 					</parameter>
14:04 < Wombert> 				</parameter>
14:06 < E_mE> my apache isn't loading the .htaccess file.... i threw loads of ddddddddd in there and no errors occured 
14:07 < E_mE> what configuration is it in the apache.conf do i need to make it load .htaccess
14:07 < MrJeep> in the fpf config file ?
14:12 < Wombert> ...
14:12 < Wombert> bought new coffee
14:13 < Wombert> it's equally miserable
14:13 < Wombert> tastes like water
14:13 < Wombert> the old one was a "dark roast" flavor
14:13 < Wombert> zomg zomg
14:13 < Wombert> (that one tasted like it had been on the heater for three days)
14:13 < Wombert> I WANT PROPER COFFEE
14:13  * Wombert kicks senseo
14:13  * Wombert kicks the damn LIAR advertisements
14:13 < Wombert> ...
14:13 < Wombert> that's it
14:14 < Wombert> I'm starting my own coffee brand :>
14:14 < Wombert> AND MY OWN COFFEE MACHINE BRAND TOO
14:14 < E_mE> Wombert get Hot Lava Java
14:14 < E_mE> that will kick your head in
14:14 < Wombert> whhhhehhhwhat?
14:14 < E_mE> its a treally strong coffee
14:15 < E_mE> wombert: http://www.bettyscafe.eu/item.asp?itmid=595
14:17 < Wombert> are they available as pads
14:17 < E_mE> pads??
14:18 < Wombert> uuuh
14:18 < Wombert> pod?
14:18 < Wombert> www.senseo.com
14:18 < Wombert> !+
14:18 < E_mE> i only buy powered coffees
14:18 < E_mE> ah yes ive seen the adverts for them
14:19 < E_mE> think it to much waste for just making a coffee
14:20 < Wombert> actually, it's far less waste
14:20 < Wombert> you only throw away the little pad
14:21 < Wombert> not more waste than a coffee filter
14:21 < Wombert> plus
14:21 < RossC0> Womby - with the new error messages FPF stuff
14:21 < RossC0> is there a way to get the id of the item errored?
14:21 < Wombert> RossC0: no but can do
14:22 < Wombert> E_mE: you only make one or two mugs at a time. which means you never have coffee left over in the can you're not gonna drink
14:22 < Wombert> it's always freshly brewed
14:22 < RossC0> I used to have: <![CDATA[<li class="inline flash form_error"><ol id="flash-${id}">${errorMessages}</ol></li>
14:22 < Wombert> you don't throw coffee away anymore
14:22 < RossC0> where the id was replaced
14:22 < RossC0> hmm I dont suppose I actually need it..
14:22 < E_mE> i got expresso maker and just put normal coffee in there... no waste at all
14:22 < E_mE> no filters.. just a metal filter which is washable
14:23 < E_mE> and only small jug as well 
14:23 < Wombert> okay
14:23 < Wombert> you win :)
14:23 < E_mE> ;)
14:23 < RossC0> we have an uber coffee machine at work
14:24 < RossC0> it does it all 
14:24 < RossC0> and its always fresh :D
14:25 < E_mE> we have instant coffee at work :(
14:25 < E_mE> gold blend which isnt too bad
14:25 < Wombert> ewww
14:25 < Wombert> boss should show you guys some love and buy a machine
14:25 < E_mE> when i visit TDG... they had loads of coffee machines and teas from all over the world
14:25 < Wombert> makes employees happy!
14:25 < E_mE> boss is as tight as a duck arse
14:25 < E_mE> she even thought buying instant coffee for us was too much
14:26 < Wombert> must be a horrible place to work at :/
14:26 < E_mE> i could think of better places
14:26 < E_mE> tohugh we do get free wine from time to time which aint to bad
14:27 < Wombert> there you go, RossC0 
14:27 < CIA-11> david * r2102 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php: in addition to ${errorMessage}, error message markup snippets now also support ${elementId} and ${elementName} variables with the element id and name, respectively. refs #303
14:27 < Wombert> btw, you can use the xpath to only use the id if the element has an id
14:27 < Wombert> know what I mean?
14:27 < Wombert> like
14:28 < Wombert> <parameter name="self::*[@id]"><![CDATA[<li><label for="${elementId}">${errorMessage}</label></li>]]></parameter>
14:28 < Wombert> <parameter name="self::*"><![CDATA[<li>${errorMessage}</li>]]></parameter>
14:29 < Wombert> mmmh I love this feature :)
14:31 < RossC0> SWEET
14:31 < RossC0> g2g presentation!
14:32 < E_mE> have good weekend RossC0
14:32 < Wombert> bai RossC0 
14:34 < Wombert> so guys
14:34 < Wombert> RossC0, MikeSeth, v-dogg 
14:34 < Wombert> we plan a fix to the validation
14:34 < Wombert> right now, if you have e.g. an equals validator on two fields
14:34 < Wombert> and required is false
14:34 < Wombert> and one of the fields is filled
14:35 < Wombert> then that one value shows up in the request data
14:35 < Wombert> even though a depending validator might want to do further checks
14:35 < Wombert> but it is never run, since the validator did not run (as the other field was empty)
14:35 < Wombert> we need to fix that
14:35 < Wombert> we don't expect any serious side effects
14:35 < Wombert> if you've previously relied on this buggy behavior, and you see issues, please let us know :)
14:36 < Wombert> this is just a heads up so you will have an idea where to look when your application acts odd on monday
14:37 < v-dogg> I usually read the svn log before doing svn up :)
14:41  * _cheerios puts v-dogg's habit in a memory bucket
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14:48 < MrJeep> it is possible to use sprintf with a validator error message 
14:48 < MrJeep> before throwing it
14:49 < MrJeep> to say something like, the max size is %s...
14:53 < Wombert> nope, MrJeep 
14:53 < Wombert> well you can do it in your own validators, of course
14:53 < Wombert> but that's a good suggestion
14:54 < MrJeep> by "own validator", do you mean my own validator class ? or by using validate*
14:54 < MrJeep> ?
14:54 < v-dogg> both
14:54 < Wombert> both :)
14:54 < Wombert> I think we can add that to all validators for 1.0
14:54 < Wombert> so you can do ${min} in a string validator etc
14:54 < Wombert> would be pretty useful
14:54 < MrJeep> yeah very
14:54 < v-dogg> you can of course set the error message dynamically in your code
14:54 < Wombert> or if someone provides a patch that covers all validators...
14:54  * Wombert looks around
14:54  * v-dogg looks busy
14:55 < Wombert> hey v-dogg how bout you
14:55 < Wombert> you seem rather bored
14:55 < v-dogg> suuuuure man! I have heaps of spare time!
14:56 < v-dogg> working only seven days a week and only having one baby :)
14:56 < v-dogg> it's a breeze
14:56  * Wombert hugs v-dogg 
14:57 < MrJeep> how hard is it to create a patch ?
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14:57 < v-dogg> creating a patch needs about two mouse clicks
14:57 < v-dogg> it's writing the code that takes the time :)
14:58 < MrJeep> I was wondering if I might be able to create it
14:58 < MrJeep> if absolutely nobody wants to
14:58 < v-dogg> but I'm calling it a day now
14:58 < Wombert> v-dogg: bai
14:58 < RossC0> back
14:58 < v-dogg> laterz 
14:59 < RossC0> right erm
14:59  * RossC0 busy again ;)
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15:09 < _cheerios> moo
15:11 < _cheerios> MrJeep, "svn diff patchedFile.php > patchedFile.patch"
15:12 < _cheerios> then "patch -p0 < patchedFile.patch" to use it
15:13 < MrJeep>  boy
15:15 < _cheerios> :D
15:16 < Wombert> or tortoise... right click, create patch
15:18  * E_mE Loves spreadsheets at times!
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15:20 < _cheerios> oh man, what is wrong with me, ive been feeling like falling asleep at 6pm for a few days now!
15:20 < RossC0> Wombert: sorry mate but can I have access to the id in the container markup ? :D
15:21 < RossC0> If it triggers multiple errors I only want one item with an id ;)
15:21 < E_mE> _cheerios: thats because you live in a part of the world that is dark about 8 months of the year ;P
15:23 < Wombert> RossC0: ah. sure.
15:23 < _cheerios> is UK really any better on that aspect?
15:24 < RossC0> _cheerios: England is :D
15:24 < RossC0> N Scotland is quite north - so not much different
15:25 < E_mE> well, the earlest it gets dark here is about 4-5pm
15:25 < E_mE> thats where i am anyhow whih is deep south west
15:26 < CIA-11> david * r2103 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php: as a followup to [2102] and in addition to ${errorMessage}, error container markup snippets now also support ${elementId} and ${elementName} variables with the element id and name, respectively. refs #303
15:28 < RossC0> Cheers Wombert
15:32 < Wombert> RossC0: wasn't the expected behavior of severity="none" that... no action is taken?
15:32 < Wombert> e.g. you have an isimagevalidator on a field, and even if its not an image, it does not get removed
15:32 < Wombert> or am I wrong
15:33 < RossC0> hmm not sure
15:33 < RossC0> what does not get removed?
15:34 < kaos|work> the "failed" parameter
15:34 < kaos|work> currently it does
15:34 < kaos|work> which renders that usecase completely useless
15:34 < kaos|work> so the whole point of severity=none is rather flawed
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15:42 < Xylakant> hi all
15:43 < Wombert> hai
15:43 < Wombert> would you mind reading the last couple messages from the logs, Xylakant 
15:43 < Wombert> or should I paste for you
15:44 < Xylakant> reading the logs ;)
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15:46 < Xylakant> so, what is the question - wether the proposed change would break my apps?
15:46 < Xylakant> no, don't think so. If it does, we'll fix it.
15:46 < Wombert> not just that
15:46 < Wombert> but if you think it makes sense as well
15:46 < Wombert> that way, you could use validators strictly for informational purposes
15:47 < Wombert> e.g. if the value matched a certain pattern
15:47 < Wombert> and then just ask the validator for the result of that
15:47 < Wombert> severity="notice" would also not cause validation to fail
15:47 < Wombert> just errors to appear if other error or fatal validators failed
15:48 < Xylakant> i imagined that 'severitry=none' would remove the offending request param, but let validation continue
15:49 < Wombert> yes, that's what it does
15:49 < Xylakant> i like that behaviour
15:49  * Wombert ponders
15:50 < Xylakant> you can use that to strip offending values that are only for informational/tracking purposes
15:50 < Wombert> hmmm
15:51 < Xylakant> but I don't depend on that behaviour
15:51 < kaos|work> well, it definitly has its use case
15:52 < kaos|work> so i'd rather add a new severity (yay) then changing the behaviour none
15:52 < E_mE> have a good weekend all
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15:57 < Wombert> hmhm
15:58 < Wombert> name for that one?
15:58 < Wombert> INFO?
15:58 < Wombert> there's not much that's "smaller" than NONE...
15:58 < Xylakant> renamen 'none' to 'low' and introduce 'info'
15:59 < Wombert> no way
15:59 < Wombert> no such breaks please
15:59 < Xylakant> is anyone using severity=none atm?
15:59 < Wombert> I'm sure
15:59 < Xylakant> i don't 
16:00 < Xylakant> but you can never be shure, you're right.
16:00 < Xylakant> OTOH, I still prefer the BC break over a stupid name.
16:01 < Xylakant> it's not that much, finding and fixing it is a no-brainer
16:02 < Wombert> well we could have both
16:02 < Xylakant> 'none' maps to 'low' but is deprecated
16:03 < kaos|work> but i think we need a better name for low
16:03 < kaos|work> it just doesn't fit imho: critical,error,notice,low <-?
16:04 < kaos|work> silent would be good i think
16:04 < Xylakant> no, notice would be lower than 'low'
16:04 < Wombert> we'll wait for impl to decide :p
16:04 < Xylakant> but silent is good
16:04 < Xylakant> i like it
16:05 < Wombert> or cross fingers and hope RossC0 didn't drink too many pints in the pub for lunch and has something brilliant to offer
16:05 < kaos|work> well, notice already exists ... and is above none (logically)
16:05 < kaos|work> since it does the same as none with the only difference to make the error message available
16:05 < kaos|work> which will then be shown if the validation failed at some other point
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16:08 < MrJeep> is there a problem with the AgaviImageValidator class
16:09 < Xylakant> well, silent would be the current 'none'
16:09 < MrJeep> because, when required is true, it throws the default error (saying i didnt upload anything)
16:09 < Xylakant> and 'info' would fit properly
16:09 < MrJeep> when I actually upload something
16:10 < kaos|work> MrJeep: hmm, last time i tested it it still worked
16:10 < RossC0> none = silent = no error?
16:10 < Xylakant> yes
16:11 < Wombert> but
16:11 < Wombert> the value is removed from the request on failure
16:11 < Xylakant> and we'd have 'critical, error, info, silent'
16:11 < Wombert> whereas... "info"? would not remove the value
16:11 < Wombert> nope
16:11 < Wombert> critical => error => notice => silent => info
16:12 < Xylakant> you're right
16:12 < Xylakant> well, silent would be below 'info'
16:12 < Xylakant> critical => error => notice => info => silent
16:13 < Wombert> no, as both don't show errors
16:13 < Wombert> but info does not remove the value from the request
16:13 < Wombert> so its below silent
16:13 < Xylakant> hmm. k
16:36 < RossC0> Have a good weekend all!
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16:51 < Xylakant> good weekend
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17:18 < MrJeep> I think file validation is somehow broken
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17:20 < MrJeep> with a file validator, setting required to true generate an error even if I upload a file
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17:21 < kaos|work> do you have the enctype in your form set ?
17:21 < MrJeep> yeah, the file gets uploaded when I remove the validator
17:22 < kaos|work> hmm, strange
17:22 < MrJeep> http://mrjeep.dyndns.org:81/Project/Web/Droppict/pub/
17:23 < Wombert> picdrop?
17:23 < MrJeep> droppict
17:23 < MrJeep> picdrop allready exists
17:23 < Wombert> k
17:24 < MrJeep> just try to upload a file 
17:24 < MrJeep> I think this could be a validation manager problem
17:24 < kaos|work> hmm, with a simple file upload it works fine here
17:24 < kaos|work> doing 
17:24 < kaos|work> 			<validator class="file" required="true">
17:24 < kaos|work> 				<argument>filetest</argument>
17:24 < kaos|work> 			</validator>
17:25 < MrJeep> when required set to true, it checks for a value but he gets a file upload object
17:25 < MrJeep> mh
17:26 < kaos|work> images work here too
17:26 < Wombert> image validator?
17:26 < Wombert> no gd installed or something?
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17:26 < Wombert> ... which you don't need
17:26 < Wombert> :p
17:26 < MrJeep> gd is installed
17:26 < MrJeep> what's the name for the image validator
17:26 < MrJeep> imagefile ?
17:27 < kaos|work> can you try adding source="files"
17:27 < kaos|work> to your validator
17:27 < kaos|work> yes
17:27 < kaos|work> imagefile
17:27 < MrJeep> hum
17:27 < kaos|work> maybe some access right problem ?
17:27 < MrJeep> must be my own validator
17:27 < MrJeep> file and imagaefile works
17:28 < MrJeep> i created a validator based on the imagevalidator
17:28 < kaos|work> did you extend the imagevalidator ?
17:29 < MrJeep> yeah
17:29 < kaos|work> hmmm
17:29 < kaos|work> i can look at your validator if you want me to
17:29 < MrJeep> 1 min i'll pate my code
17:29 < MrJeep> paste*
17:29 < MrJeep> thnx :D
17:30 < MrJeep> http://www.pastie.caboo.se/101777
17:31 < MrJeep> http://pastie.caboo.se/101777
17:32 < kaos|work> ok, first to your error
17:33 < kaos|work> and i'll show you how you can improve that thing afterwards ;)
17:33 < kaos|work> filesize($this->getData($this->getArgument()->getTmpName()))
17:33 < MrJeep> always open to improving :D
17:33 < kaos|work> would need to be filesize($this->getData($this->getArgument())->getTmpName())
17:33 < kaos|work> or even easier
17:33 < kaos|work> this->getData($this->getArgument())->getSize()
17:33 < kaos|work> but what i would do in your case
17:34 < kaos|work> is to check the users premium status before executing the validator
17:34 < kaos|work> and do $this->setParameter('max_size') to the new size
17:35 < kaos|work> and the just "return parent::validate()"
17:35 < MrJeep> you're damn right
17:35 < MrJeep> thnx :P
17:35 < MrJeep> is the max size in bytes or kbytes ?
17:35 < kaos|work> bytes
17:42 < MrJeep> working
17:42 < kaos|work> cool :)
17:42 < MrJeep> somehow it fixed the problem
17:42 < MrJeep> thanks :D
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18:43 < _cheerios> "The theater was packed with the special kind of audience that is attracted to the Fantasy Film Fest, the kind of audience that will applaud and cheer when a head gets cut off and gallons of blood get poured around"
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18:52 < _cheerios> http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1135230649229.jpeg
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18:58 < v-dogg> wtf... puttytray opens links to IE
19:01 < _cheerios> default browser <3
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19:47 < MrJeep> jeez working with gd is a little harder that expected :s
19:47 < MrJeep> imagecreatefromstring with a gif file does not work :S
19:47 < MrJeep> bmp is not supported
19:52 < _cheerios> i have similar troubles. wether the amount of wine im drinking will cause hangover or not. it's hard to predict.
19:54 < MrJeep> hehehe
20:22 < MrJeep> i think I might have to use the gd2 format then ouput to a different type
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20:23 < Wombert> hai
20:24  * Wombert pokes impl 
20:24 < MrJeep> hey hey
20:24 < Wombert> (gently)
20:24 < Wombert> (and not in the eye)
20:24 < MrJeep> hehe
20:24 < MrJeep> hey Wombert, di you ever work with gd lib ?
20:24 < Wombert> mmmh... years ago ;)
20:25 < MrJeep> hehe ok, what do you think about storing image in gd2 format then creating a cache on the appropriate type (like gif, jpg, bmp.. whatever)
20:25 < MrJeep> cause I'm having problem with image type
20:25 < MrJeep> like no bmp
20:25 < MrJeep> imagecreatefromstring and gif does not work...
20:26 < _cheerios> check out imagemagick if gd doesn't fit the bill
20:26 < MrJeep> looking right now
20:32 < MrJeep> this api seems nice
20:41 < MrJeep> I think I'll have to go with ImageMagick
20:54 < _cheerios> im soo worn out all i can see is a blur
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23:37  * impl awakes and pokes Wombert back
23:37 < impl> awakens, even
23:37 < Wombert> forgot what I wanted...
23:37 < Wombert> but
23:37 < Wombert> FPF will be able to
23:37 < Wombert> a) insert error messages for elements
23:38 < Wombert> b) insert multi element error messages (e.g. "the passwords did not match" below the two fields, or... "the date is incorrect", maybe above the three select boxes for m/d/y :D)
23:38 < Wombert> c) insert any other error messages
23:38 < Wombert> can be configured separately, and again using xpaths
23:39 < Wombert> I'm changing the FPF config reading a little so you can even better change behavior at runtime
23:39 < Wombert> ah yes of course... impl, would you mind reading through the logs
23:39 < Wombert> we discussed a validator change earlier
23:40 < impl> sounds cool, and sure
23:41 < Wombert> it's going to be so fucking ace...
23:41 < Wombert> because even if you have that weird captcha in your signup form thats totally different from all others
23:42 < Wombert> you can just set the rules for that in the view, at runtime... :)
23:48 < impl> hrrm
23:56 < impl> Wombert: info or information sounds fine, as for silent... 'pass?' 'ignore?'
23:57 < impl> Wombert: alternatively, we could make it not a severity at all, and just some parameter... pass="true"
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06:12 < v-dogg> huomenta
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09:39 < _cheerios> I have NO idea :D
09:39 < _cheerios> huomenta 
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09:57 < _cheerios>  HIGHEST-PAID TV STARS
09:57 < _cheerios> 1. Oprah Winfrey ($260m)
09:57 < _cheerios> 2. Jerry Seinfeld ($60m)
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10:05 < bebers> http://tubeimage.com/viewer.php?file=x7o3ydsiwmvc6pnvqyd3.jpg
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10:15 < Xylakant> hi all
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11:12 < _cheerios> lol @ C-class horror movies
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11:15 < _cheerios> thumbs up for Botched, if you're in that stuff :D
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11:22 < _cheerios> 503 slashdot. :[ 
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12:56 < _cheerios> is there a config to check wether you're running development/production?
12:59 < _cheerios> hmm, core.debug will do.
12:59 < _cheerios> or seems not :D help? :)
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13:05 < _cheerios> nm. confused myself with too many files open, editing the wrong one (ofc).
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13:21 < MrJeep> good morning!
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13:35 < _cheerios> JSmin good, or?
13:40 < Wombert> OR WHAT
13:40 < Wombert> HUH?
13:40 < Wombert> YOU THINK THAT'S GONNA STOP ME?
13:41 < splatch`> hello
13:42 < Wombert> hi
13:42 < splatch`> Wombert: how are you and agavi? :)
13:43 < Wombert> fine! :)
13:43 < splatch`> does Agavi will have new site? :)
13:43 < _cheerios> concerned a handy lib for JS, that I'm testing. It grabs your JS files, packs them to a single file, minifies, and loads from a different subdomain for best performance.
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13:44 < Wombert> splatch`: can you ask darek to send me the PSD and EPS files etc with the website design and (most importantly) the logo designs?
13:44 < Wombert> because then we can continue working on this
13:45 < splatch`> ok, he will send files to you
13:45 < Wombert> splatch`: maybe along with a small note that he allows us to use it as a basis of our work and modify it etc
13:45 < Wombert> that would be cool
13:46 < Wombert> splatch`: tell him that we will still credit him for the logo design!
13:46 < Wombert> and, if we use the website design, for that of course as well
13:47 < _cheerios> agavi..will..get..a real.. website? o_O
13:49 < splatch`> never! :D
13:49 < _cheerios> from 57929/218523 (26%) to 57929/218523 (26%) when gzipped afterwards. Nice.
13:50 < _cheerios> oops, bad c&p, --> 26654/98233 (27%)
13:50 < Wombert> 27 percent what?
13:50 < _cheerios> 27% of original size
13:51 < _cheerios> original 218K (58k gzipped), minified 98K (26k gzipped).
13:52 < splatch`> i've 28 empty beer bottles ;)
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14:11 < _cheerios> http://spritegen.website-performance.org/ great stuff for a site with lots of interface images
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15:39 < _cheerios> is it possible to set the template renderers default extension in output_types.xml, or must i extend the renderer to change this var?
15:49 < _cheerios> i tried setting <parameter name="extension">foo</parameter> in output_types.xml, but couldnt get it to be picked up.
15:55 < Wombert> extend the renderer
15:55 < Wombert> exts are set on layers
15:55 < Wombert> I could add a "default_extension" parameter...
15:55  * Wombert ponders
15:56 < Wombert> I needed that before myself, so...
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16:00 < _cheerios> oh yeah, it does work. i had the param in the wrong place.
16:03 < _cheerios> ...but it only checks the extension for Decorator, not for action templates ?
16:04 < _cheerios> ah yes :D
16:05  * _cheerios is xml-reading-handicapped
16:14 < _cheerios> having .php + .tpl templates for the same stuff (testing around), is there a way -- when using .tpl -- for them to load from templates/tpl via an output_types.xml setting?
16:14 < Wombert> eh?
16:15 < Wombert> dont get it
16:15 < _cheerios> %core.module_dir%/%module%/templates/tpl
16:15 < Wombert> sure
16:15 < _cheerios> that %module% didn't map out, so what's the correct syntax? :)
16:16 < Wombert> well two options
16:16 < Wombert> either you set the "directory" param to that
16:16 < Wombert> or you change the target pattern
16:17 < Wombert> <parameter name="directory">%core.module_dir%/${module}/templates/tpl</parameter>
16:17 < Wombert> or
16:17 < Wombert> <parameter name="targets">
16:17 < Wombert>   <parameter>${directory}/tpl/${template}${extension}</parameter>
16:17 < Wombert> </parameter>
16:19 < _cheerios> ok, sweet.
16:20 < Wombert> h-h-headache
16:20  * Wombert is refactoring FPF
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16:23 < _cheerios> atleast you're not sitting on a cheap IKEA chair that simulates the last moments of the Titanic
16:24 < _cheerios> mine is tilting to the left. makes.. sitting.. interesting :|
16:24 < Wombert> isn't your apartment cheaper than the other one
16:24 < Wombert> save some money for a chair
16:25 < _cheerios> yer. forced to shop around soon for a new one.
16:33 < _cheerios> MrJeep, was it you whom were run into Smarty and [$ro->gen('foo',array('barf'=>'kamp')} ? How did you solve having these routing calls in templates?
16:34 < Wombert> can't do
16:34 < Wombert> generate urls in the view in that case
16:34 < _cheerios> most urls take options. hassle :|
16:34 < Wombert> other tpl engines like ezc (similar to smarty, but equally miserable) allow this
16:35 < Wombert> yes, hassle, but not much more, it only always seems so
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16:40 < _cheerios> i suppose. could maybe even do it better like that.
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17:06 < _cheerios> do variables on action templates have some different syntax with smarty? template['foo'] doesn't work, but for some reason neither {$foo} ?
17:10 < _cheerios> ah, {$template.foo}
17:13 < _cheerios> where is that mapping made? it breaks variables with dots in them.
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17:15 < _cheerios> which isn't that good given how many variables in agavi have dot syntax...
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17:26 < _cheerios> ah, as smarty uses . for its own syntax. :|
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17:39 < Wombert> _cheerios: agavi vars with dot syntax?
17:39 < Wombert> oO
17:39 < _cheerios> core.debug etc.
17:39 < Wombert> that's not a variable
17:40 < _cheerios> oh
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17:40 < Wombert> I don't see your point
17:40 < Wombert> the stuff in $template is what you assigned in the action/view
17:41 < Wombert> don't use dots there and you'll be fine w/ smarty
17:43 < _cheerios> what about nested routes? page.foo.bar.id.fail
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17:44 < MrJeep> hi
17:44 < Wombert> _cheerios: ???????
17:44 < _cheerios> well, anyhow, i switched any . to _. just need to remember that when using template vars.
17:44 < MrJeep> i was wondering if I could create some.. special parameters in routing
17:44 < Wombert> what the hell are you talking about
17:44 < MrJeep> i mean something like
17:44 < Wombert> _cheerios: $ro->gen('page.foo.bar.id');
17:44 < MrJeep> - >/view/(image_id)/(image_string_name)/thumb
17:44 < Wombert> that is a string
17:44 < Wombert> not a variable name
17:44 < Wombert> ...
17:45 < MrJeep> so I could detect the thumb parameter
17:45 < MrJeep> somehow
17:45 < Wombert> you mean if thumb is there or not?
17:45 < MrJeep> exacly
17:45 < Wombert> should it be optional?
17:45 < MrJeep> yes
17:45 < Wombert> you can either have two routes that point to the same, with and without, and have <default for="thumb">1</thumb>
17:46 < Wombert> or you do
17:46 < Wombert> (/{thumb:thumb})?
17:46 < MrJeep> oh
17:46 < MrJeep> this will set a thumb parameter i guess
17:46 < Wombert> yes
17:46 < MrJeep> which will only match thumb
17:46 < MrJeep> great
17:46 < Wombert> you can also just to
17:47 < Wombert> (thumb:/thumb)?
17:47 < Wombert> since the value does not matter
17:47 < Wombert> you just want to check if it was in the url
17:47 < Wombert> but mind you, ?thumb will work too then
17:48 < MrJeep> ok :P thnx :D
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17:50 < _cheerios> Wombert, as Smarty won't work with $ro->gen(foo,array(bar)); syntax, I was going to prepopulate all these variables, adding them to the $template, hence . -> _
17:51 < impl> Why are you using Smarty, anyway?
17:51 < impl> it's so ughhh
17:51 < _cheerios> also, as I had some AgaviConfig::get() calls, I needed to access those too.
17:51 < _cheerios> ended up footing those into the template. works OK, just have to remember the .->_ rule
17:55 < _cheerios> eg. /profile/cheerios => {$template.profile_user} => $this->setAttribute($k2,$ro->gen($k),array($v['pars']=>$us->getAttribute($v['pars']))); 
17:56 < _cheerios> that should be $rd->getParameter() there, but for examples sake :)
17:58 < _cheerios> ends up saving quite a lot of typing for the basic routes
17:58 < impl> yuck
17:59 < impl> :S
17:59 < _cheerios> impl: i need a templating engine for my project, smarty seems like one of the best out there.
18:00 < impl> in my experience smarty is quirky and slow
18:00 < impl> (although it can cache which is nice)
18:00 < Wombert> (and useless w/ agavi)
18:00 < _cheerios> what in agavi makes smarty useless?
18:01 < Wombert> cries
18:01  * Wombert cries
18:02 < Wombert> I was talking about the caching, man...
18:02 < Wombert> the caching
18:02 < Wombert> which is totally redundant since agavi can do it on a much higher level
18:02 < _cheerios> ah, yeah, for that.
18:02 < Wombert> where it belongs
18:02 < _cheerios> i thought you'd gone bonkers
18:02 < Wombert> and yes, smarty is a pile of crap
18:03 < Wombert> mind you, so is ezcTemplate
18:03 < Wombert> and all the others
18:03 < _cheerios> im not using them for their beaty, just out of need
18:03 < Wombert> phptal is pretty nice in theory but horribly executed
18:07 < _cheerios> ack, things only work one level deep? $container->getValidationManager()->hasErrors() = FAIL
18:08 < Wombert> in smarty?
18:08 < Wombert> yes
18:10 < _cheerios> :crossing fingers: <parameter name="validation_manager">vm</parameter>
18:16 < _cheerios> but, i wonder if foreach($vm->getErrorMessages() as $error) can even work with smarty, or needs prepopulating
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18:25 < _cheerios> ah, it does. good.
18:38 < MrJeep> with simple action, are the input parameters available ?
18:38 < _cheerios> Wombert, how do I assign objects to the smarty template?
18:38 < Wombert> MrJeep: no
18:38 < Wombert> _cheerios: $this->setAttribute('obj', $obj); ?
18:39 < _cheerios> to be usable like $obj->foo() etc
18:40 < _cheerios> setAttributes go within $template
18:40 < Wombert> yes
18:40 < Wombert> ...
18:41 < Wombert> all template attributes are available in $template
18:41 < Wombert> no matter if that is a string or an array or an object or an elephant
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18:41 < Wombert> you can change the name of $template to $t if you like
18:41 < _cheerios> sure, sure, how i get it to be a first-class variable like $tm and $us
18:41 < Wombert> you don't
18:42 < Wombert> unless you extract allvars
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18:43 < _cheerios> there's no way to eg. add more "asigns" of your own objects from output_types?
18:43 < Wombert> of course there is; subclass the renderer
18:43 < Wombert> ...
18:44 < Wombert> that is not the domain of the view/template anymore
18:44 < Wombert> if you want something like that, then it's the renderers job
18:51 < _cheerios> sure, the assigns="" seemed perfect, but ye, it seems to be only for agavi internals.
18:52 < Wombert> remember
18:52 < Wombert> having all you assign in $t is a huge advantage
18:52 < Wombert> that's the data your template works with
18:53 < Wombert> if you want to extend template functionalities by having stuff available globally to ease use etc
18:53 < Wombert> then that is renderer specific
18:53 < Wombert> do it there
18:53 < Wombert> btw, anyone _not_ using $inner?
18:54 < Wombert> I've found it retarded lately that the inner output is available in $slots
18:54 < Wombert> I'd like to have a config option for that, and maybe even default it to off
18:54 < Wombert> would that be a bc break? :p
18:56 < _cheerios> $foo->__() calls dont work with smarty at all :|
18:57 < _cheerios> "call to internal object members is not allowed"
18:59 < Wombert> you have security on, right?
18:59 < Wombert> in smarty?
19:00 < Wombert> but look how retarded they are
19:01 < Wombert> oh the method begins with an underscore...
19:01 < Wombert> that means it's meant to be private!
19:01 < Wombert> see why impl and I are telling you not to use it...
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19:03 < _cheerios> well, i need a templating engine :|
19:07 < _cheerios> __ is not g_, perfect...
19:07 < _cheerios> *is now
19:10 < Wombert> g?
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19:11 < _cheerios> something to make it pass. g=gettext...
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19:11 < _cheerios> plus, it needed to be something obscure for xgettext to be able to still pickup the strings when creating message.po
19:12 < Wombert> gettext...
19:12 < Wombert> who says it's gettext working behind
19:12 < Wombert> the scenes
19:12 < Wombert> and you can tell xgettext what to look for
19:12 < _cheerios> yea, and you don't want it to pick up just anything
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19:28 < _cheerios> ugh. that was probably 2hrs of making the decorator in smarty syntax. well, should go faster from here...
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19:46 < _cheerios> Wombert, how do I add logic after an action view has finished ?
19:47 < MrJeep> 			<route name="view" module="View" action="Index" pattern="^/view">
19:47 < MrJeep> 				<route name=".index" action="Index" pattern="^/(id:\D+)/(sid:\S+)$" />
19:47 < MrJeep> 				<route name=".image" action="Image" pattern="^/(id:\D+)/(sid:\S+)(/{mode:large|full})?(/{size:\D+})$" />
19:47 < MrJeep> 			</route>
19:47 < MrJeep> is the last line supposed to work
19:48 < MrJeep> i mean, I want it to accept only large or full (hum i mean large or thumb
19:49 < MrJeep> <route name=".image" action="Image" pattern="^/(id:\D+)/(sid:\S+)/(mode:large|thumb)?(/{size:\D+})$" />
19:49 < MrJeep> <route name=".image" action="Image" pattern="^/(id:\D+)/(sid:\S+)/(mode:large|thumb)(/{size:\D+})$" />
19:49 < MrJeep> this is the good one :P
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19:55 < impl> _cheerios: the point is that logic goes before the view
19:55 < impl> that's the entire idea of MVC
19:55 < impl> stop breaking the paradigm!
19:59 < _cheerios> :) i needed to work on every title (that is set in the view). another approach it is then :)
20:06 < _cheerios> oh, and that damn (dumb) security mode too... only allows loading templates from a single fixed location
20:09 < Wombert> _cheerios: ?
20:11 < _cheerios> smarty's security model
20:11 < Wombert> the other thing
20:13 < _cheerios> ah. i wanted to play with the title variable after they'd been set, and have the results in the template.
20:14 < Wombert> ?
20:14 < Wombert> like what
20:15 < _cheerios> to use the title as keywords, by chopping it to bits
20:15 < Wombert> the title is for?
20:15 < Wombert> the view?
20:15 < Wombert> page title?
20:15 < Wombert> ...
20:15 < _cheerios> page title, ye
20:15 < Wombert> make a setTitle() method in your base view and have it do that
20:16 < _cheerios> ye, should work.
20:17  * Wombert slaps _cheerios around with a little object orientation
20:18 < _cheerios> :)
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20:27 < Wombert> should we have separate config options for normal and multifield error message snippets?
20:27  * Wombert ponders
20:29 < Wombert> gnnnnhhhhh this sucks
20:30 < ttj> I need an Alfa 159!
20:30 < Wombert> why
20:30 < ttj> I must have one!
20:30 < Wombert> I must have an Audi TT
20:30 < ttj> Gay. :-(
20:30 < Wombert> WHAT
20:30 < Wombert> the old one was
20:30 < Wombert> granted
20:30 < Wombert> the new one
20:30 < Wombert> SO ACE
20:31 < ttj> I'm not certain about it. I'm boring as a person, hence I like four door sedans. :D
20:31 < Wombert> not certain about the tt
20:31 < Wombert> or about the 159
20:31 < ttj> Especially the compact exec size.
20:31 < ttj> TT.
20:31 < Wombert> I hated the old one
20:31 < Wombert> then I got a snow white one when I rented a car
20:32 < Wombert> that car is sex on wheels
20:32 < ttj> Oh?
20:32 < Wombert> attracts looks like nothing else
20:32 < Wombert> it goes
20:32 < Wombert> it's lotsa fun
20:32 < Wombert> its well built
20:32 < Wombert> all in all
20:32 < Wombert> I like it
20:32 < Wombert> and
20:32 < ttj> Ah! You're wrong! Because I got a ride in a car last summer which attracted attention like nothing else. :-)
20:32 < Wombert> Sixt has a special offer for corporate leasing with 20% off the regular price
20:32 < ttj> And it was a Morgan! :P
20:32 < Wombert> so I'm very tempted to... you know... zomg MUST DO IT
20:33 < Wombert> also drove a 3.2 V6 for comparison
20:33 < Wombert> with the dual clutch gearbox
20:33 < Wombert> which is very nice
20:33 < Wombert> the engine however isn't
20:34 < Wombert> the turbo is much nicer
20:35 < ttj> I guess the problem I have with the TT is that it's too much of a "show off". :-)
20:35 < Wombert> well
20:35 < Wombert> I too prefer understated cars
20:35 < ttj> I want something like an S4 or a 335i sedan and then I want to strip the badges away. :D
20:35 < Wombert> yes
20:35 < Wombert> same here
20:35 < Wombert> normally
20:35 < Wombert> but I'm still young so that's okay :p
20:35 < ttj> You're older than me. :P
20:36 < impl> TYPE RRRRRR
20:36 < Wombert> I don't think so :p
20:36 < ttj> I know so. ;P
20:36 < Wombert> impl: a friend has one
20:36 < Wombert> it's fucking awesome
20:36 < impl> ricer.
20:36 < Wombert> no
20:36 < impl> call him a ricer
20:36 < Wombert> yes
20:36 < Wombert> I usually do
20:36 < Wombert> he drove a normal civic before
20:36 < Wombert> that sucked
20:36 < impl> :D
20:36 < Wombert> I used to always play fun on hondas high rev nonsense
20:36 < Wombert> and how he'd get...mh... 25 lb-ft at 9500 rpm
20:37 < Wombert> but
20:37 < Wombert> the type r
20:37 < Wombert> it's soooooo nice
20:37 < Wombert> not from the inside, not from the outside
20:37 < Wombert> and it's not amazingly fast in the straight line
20:37 < Wombert> but dear god I took it for a ride on small country roads
20:37 < Wombert> with lotsa curves
20:38 < Wombert> and I've never driven such a... light... car
20:38 < ttj> Hmm... S5...
20:38 < ttj> 89kEUR.
20:38 < Wombert> you really can't describe how much fun it is
20:38 < Wombert> I've been passenger in, and driven myself, much more powerful and faster cars
20:39 < Wombert> a BMW Z4, for instance, typically regarded a milestone in driving dynamics
20:39 < Wombert> I'd take the type r any day
20:39 < ttj> I can't stand the design of the Z3/4s.
20:39 < Wombert> the cornering speeds you can achieve.... sooooo nice
20:39 < Wombert> ttj: Z3 = sux
20:39 < Wombert> especially the coupe
20:39 < Wombert> Z4 too
20:40 < Wombert> but not teh Z4 coupe
20:40 < Wombert> and no S5 for you sir
20:40 < Wombert> that car is the most boring one ever built
20:40 < ttj> Read up. ;-)
20:40 < ttj> I'm a boring person. ;P
20:41 < Wombert> the 159 is not too expensive!?
20:41 < ttj> Well, it's not compared to Ze German competition.
20:41 < Wombert> well okay the V6 is
20:41 < Wombert> overall nicest car I've driven so far was a BMW 325 diesel
20:41 < Wombert> it's fast enough for everyone (really is) and that engine... heaven
20:42 < Wombert> I don't like diesels usually. they sound like tractors.
20:42 < Wombert> not that one
20:42 < Wombert> smooth as silk
20:42 < Wombert> INLINE SIX POWAH
20:42 < ttj> :-)
20:42 < ttj> I had a debate with a friend of mine a while back on why it's way more fun being a man than a woman. :P
20:42 < Wombert> also, BMWs are much much better from a usability standpoint than mercedes and especially audis
20:43 < Wombert> was that friend a girl?
20:43 < ttj> Men can shout "POWAH!" and go around curves in nice cars and it's considered normal. :P
20:43 < ttj> Yeah.
20:43 < Wombert> haha :>
20:43 < Wombert> did you win? :p
20:43 < ttj> The only real competition would be that I would have 24/7 access to tits if I was a woman.
20:43 < ttj> But I think I'd still take a 335i. :P
20:43 < Wombert> LOLZ
20:43 < Wombert> you remind me of myself :p
20:44 < ttj> She thinks I didn't win. :P
20:44 < ttj> I know I did. :D
20:44 < Wombert> lolz
20:45 < ttj> I dunno, I was at a meeting in on the outskirts of Helsinki last week and saw the rear of a 159. My god it's beautiful.
20:45 < ttj> -in
20:45 < Wombert> yes, they're nice cars
20:45 < Wombert> saw a brera up close the other day, mmmmmmmh tasty
20:45 < ttj> :-)
20:46 < Wombert> but trust me, the TT in white... so fantastic
20:46 < Wombert> unfortunately
20:46 < ttj> The only thing is that if I'd get an Alfa, it would break down. And again. And again. And it'd bankrupt me. :P
20:46 < Wombert> sixt doesn't give them to you in that color because they say they can't sell them on
20:46 < Wombert> ASSHOLES
20:46 < ttj> :-(
20:46 < Wombert> "trend color" blah blah
20:46 < ttj> So, your business is going well, then, if you're looking at TTs? :P
20:47 < Wombert> lets say I need to spend money before I pay taxes on it :p
20:47 < Wombert> and I want and need a car
20:47 < Wombert> and the TT would really be a bargain
20:47 < Wombert> and I like it
20:47 < Wombert> even though the sound system is crap
20:47 < Wombert> and the cruise control
20:47 < Wombert> and the satnav
20:48 < ttj> Well, you don't need sound systems, cruise control or satnavs. :-)
20:48 < ttj> If it's a fun car to drive.
20:48 < ttj> I was reading Clarkson's views on the 159 just now.
20:48 < ttj> http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article695347.ece
20:49 < ttj> "The greatest sensation of speed afforded to ordinary man is not on a go-kart or a rollercoaster. It comes when you.ve got the cruise control set at 70mph, the traffic in front is stopping and momentarily you can.t find the button to turn it off. In that hiccup of time it doesn.t feel like you.re doing 70mph. It feels like you.re doing three times the speed of light."
20:49 < ttj> "That.s why, in most cars, the cruise control .off. button is clearly visible and easy to use in a hurry. Not in the Alfa it isn.t. It looks like one of the pieces from a game of Risk and it.s mounted on a stalk just below and slightly behind the indicator."
20:49 < ttj> "So when the traffic ground to a halt on the M40 I bet the chap behind me was keen to know why I didn.t slow at all and then, for no obvious reason, suddenly indicated left."
20:50 < Wombert> he's an idiot
20:50 < Wombert> if he doesn't know to just step on the brakes
20:50 < ttj> Bah, I don't think that was the point. :-)
20:50 < Wombert> and yes I need cruise control and bose sound and a satnav and rain sensors and xenon and magnetic ride because otherwise its not perfect and then I cannot possibly like it
20:51 < Wombert> that's the problem
20:51 < ttj> Pfft.
20:51 < Wombert> well
20:51 < Wombert> the only cars where the cruise controls make sense is bmws
20:51 < Wombert> you pull the lever towards you, it accelerates
20:51 < Wombert> you push it away, it decelerates
20:51 < Wombert> you "indicate"... it is switched off
20:51 < Wombert> you push it from the side, it resumes
20:52 < Wombert> in all other cars, you indicate to the right to accelerate... and left to decelerate
20:52 < Wombert> SO RETARDED
20:52 < ttj> Well, if you live with a car day-to-day, it'll be irrelevant.
20:56 < ttj> Oh, I figured out the best idea ever a couple of days ago. :P
20:56 < ttj> Bar-hopping in Milan!
20:56 < ttj> Fly in on Saturday afternoon, fly out early (~7 AM) Sunday morning.
20:56 < ttj> No need for a hotel or luggage or anything! :P
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20:59 < _cheerios> heh
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22:06 < _cheerios> no continue; in smarty? need two of the ~same then.
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04:28 < Wombert> F1!
04:29 < impl> you should not be up this early on a Sunday for any reason
04:29 < impl> :P
04:29 < Wombert> zomg safety car start...
04:30 < impl> :|
04:30  * impl goes to bed :p
04:31 < Wombert> you suck!
04:32 < impl> sry :(
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05:08 < Arme[N]> Huomenta :)
05:08 < Arme[N]> php 5.3 officially has namespaces :)
05:08 < Arme[N]> http://news.php.net/php.zend-engine.cvs/6039
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07:55 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:56 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, did you read Noble House ?
08:56 < MikeSeth> by James Clavell?
08:58 < MikeSeth> No, I haven't. But I've read the one about Japan
08:58 < MikeSeth> a fascinating book
08:58 < MikeSeth> Shogun!
08:59 < _cheerios> that one is good too
08:59 < _cheerios> Noble House + Tai-Pan are worth checking out, in the order they're supposed to be read
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09:08 < MikeSeth> I have them both 
09:08 < MikeSeth> but haven't read them yet
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11:53 < Wombert> zomg @ vettel
11:59 < _cheerios> ah, "He also became the quickest driver to get a fine in F1, being fined $1,000 nine seconds into his career, after speeding in the pitlane."
12:00 < Wombert> he is such an idiot
12:00 < Wombert> I really really like both red bull and toro rosso
12:00 < Wombert> cool team
12:00 < Wombert> s
12:01 < _cheerios> ah, "One of Vettel's most dissapointing moments in his first season came at the 2007 Japanese Grand Prix. Whilst Mark Webber was in second place, Vettel crashed into him under safety car conditions taking him and Webber out of the race and prompting Webber to say to an ITV reporter “It’s kids isn’t it... They have not got enough experience – they do a good job and then they fuck it all up.” LOL. i missed the race.
12:01 < Wombert> and during the first safety car phase, he was always driving up so close to webber that I thought "he's gonna hit him, and then they spin out, and ten of the cars behind them crash into them, and then this stupid kid ruined it all"
12:01 < Wombert> the race was great
12:01 < Wombert> very confused and all
12:01 < Wombert> anyway, couple of laps before finish, safety car was out again
12:01 < Wombert> hamilton 1, webber 2, vettel 3
12:01 < Wombert> and vettel  crashes into webber
12:02 < _cheerios> oh man :D
12:02 < Wombert> because he was "looking at hamilton because he seemed weird and slow and when I looked at webber again, I hit him already"
12:02 < Wombert> best part of the story:
12:02 < Wombert> webber had a food poisoning and had vomited into the helmet five minutes after the start
12:02 < Wombert> :)
12:02 < Wombert> now that's the spirit :p
12:03 < Wombert> AND THEY COULD HAVE BOTH BEEN ON THE POIDUM
12:03 < Wombert> ZOMG
12:03 < _cheerios> eww :D yeah, props.
12:04 < _cheerios> i read ferrari had the wrong tires at start? did that blow their race?
12:05 < Wombert> well they said they didn't receive the FIA order that told all teams to start on full-wets
12:05 < Wombert> they started on wets (or intermediates as they are called these days)
12:06 < Wombert> apparently the FIA threatened them with disqualification so they pitted
12:06 < Wombert> that pretty much ruined it all for them, yes
12:07 < _cheerios> sad :| and monkeyboy aquaplaned.
12:07 < Wombert> who is monkeyboy
12:08 < _cheerios> alonso
12:08 < Wombert> I thought hamilton was a monkey
12:08 < Wombert> :p
12:08 < Wombert> I never liked alonso but he looks like a really great guy compared to hamilton, who is an absolute moron and way too cool for this world
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12:09 < _cheerios> judging by the news ive read, his latest commentary about wanting alonso out of the team.. yeah, quite immature
12:09 < Wombert> too full of himself
12:13 < _cheerios> what was the syntax again for FPF to populate name="form[foo]" instead of name="foo"
12:33 < Wombert> an array
12:35 < _cheerios> ah, deeper nesting. k
12:36 < _cheerios> thanks
12:38 < Wombert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koH0sDec2-k loooolz
13:08 < _cheerios> classy
13:13 < _cheerios> smarty forced me to clean up all my templates. so far, better :)
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13:30 < _cheerios> bad habit of not cleaning up working prototypes after they're finished
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13:59 < _cheerios> mmmm.... meaaaat
13:59  * Wombert admires impl for getting up before 10 in the morning
14:00  * Wombert on the other hand got up at 6:30 to watch F1, fell asleep, and woke up at 1 with a big ass headache
14:00 < impl> My dad had to take me home
14:00 < impl> lol
14:00 < impl> good going :D
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15:30 < Wombert> const FOO = self::FOO;
15:30 < Wombert> and PHP says ZOMG, BAI
15:30 < Wombert> no error :p
15:30 < Wombert> just segfault
15:31 < impl> lool
15:32 < Wombert> away
15:32 < Wombert> laters
15:32 < impl> [impl@mizuho]% php -r 'class Foo { const FOO = self::FOO; } echo Foo::FOO;'
15:32 < impl> Fatal error: Cannot access self:: when no class scope is active in Command line code on line 1
15:32 < impl> that's what it tells me
15:32 < impl> ;o
15:32 < impl> bai2u
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17:05 < Wombert> oO
17:06 < Wombert> welcome to Agavi, certainty|home :)
17:08  * impl kicks his firewall
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17:11 < Wombert> impl: heeelp
17:11 < impl> what with, good sir
17:11 < Wombert> naming things :p once more
17:12 < impl> :P
17:12 < Wombert> right now we have error_messages param to the fpf
17:12 < Wombert> with those xpath things
17:12 < Wombert> but
17:12 < Wombert> we need
17:12 < Wombert> 1) rules for field errors
17:12 < Wombert> 2) rules for multi-field errors
17:12 < Wombert> 3) rules for all other errors (generic ones, or ones that did not match in the above runs)
17:13 < impl> Do those three cases encompass all possibilities?
17:13 < Wombert> field_errors, multi_field_errors, other_errors?
17:13 < Wombert> yes
17:13 < Wombert> the first two get the element in question to work with
17:13 < Wombert> in case of the multi field errors that's the first element we come across that is affected by this error
17:13 < Wombert> e.g. two fields an an equals validator, the error is inserted relative to the first field
17:13  * impl nods
17:14 < Wombert> other errors are those were the field in question was not found (error set in userspace), or where none of the xpath rules in 1) and 2) matched
17:14 < Wombert> those are inserted relative to the form, not to any element
17:14 < Wombert> that way, you can insert them at the top of the form or so
17:14 < Wombert> which is still much better than the old way, where you'd output all errors in the master template, which sucked ass if your content layer was a box thing or had a headline or whatever
17:15 < impl> I wonder if we should call them fields
17:16 < Wombert> here is my plan:
17:16 < Wombert> you invent something
17:16 < Wombert> I love it
17:16 < Wombert> deal? :)
17:16 < impl> haha
17:16  * Wombert pokes kaos|work 
17:16 < Wombert> we also need to talk about that new severity
17:17 < impl> I proposed something
17:17 < impl> now I don't remember what though
17:18 < impl> 23:56 < impl> Wombert: info or information sounds fine, as for silent... 'pass?' 'ignore?'
17:18 < impl> 23:57 < impl> Wombert: alternatively, we could make it not a severity at all, and just some parameter... pass="true"
17:18 < Wombert> that param, no, me doesn't like
17:20  * impl ponders
17:23 < Wombert> it's a severity, so I don't think "pass" would be correct
17:24 < impl> wait, what's the point of a silent validator again?
17:24 < impl> I don't even remember what the whole idea was behind it
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17:25 < impl> Just to strip things?
17:25 < impl> ah
17:25 < impl> yeah
17:26 < impl> severity="internal" ?
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17:36 < v-dogg> severity="infernal"
17:46  * Wombert hugs v-dogg 
17:47  * Wombert does the it-works-it-works dance
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17:51 < v-dogg> yea but no but yea but 
17:52 < v-dogg> little britain rox0r :)
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17:56 < Wombert> woot woot woot
17:56 < splatch`> woot woot woot :)
17:56 < Wombert> it works works works :>
17:57 < splatch`> what what what? :)
17:58 < Wombert> impl: I really need those names now :p
17:58 < Wombert> and the request attribute where FPF stores those incidents that could not be inserted
17:58 < impl> don't those automatically go into other_errors?
17:58 < Wombert> yes, but if it cannot insert those
17:58 < impl> :S
17:59 < impl> other_other_errors :D
17:59 < Wombert> well other_errors would be the xpath/markup settings
17:59 < Wombert> err
17:59 < Wombert> well
17:59 < Wombert> :p
17:59 < Wombert> we have
17:59 < Wombert> - three settings with xpath as key and markup info (element, container, position) as value
17:59 < Wombert> - a setting that tells FPF to use the normal single field error rules for multi field errors
18:00 < Wombert> - a request attribute in org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter where those incidents(!) are set that could not be inserted into the form at all
18:00 < Wombert> (typically because there was no... "other_errors"? setting, but could also be that there was one, only that the xpath(s) for it did not yield any matches
18:01 < Wombert> (actually it's not the incidents that could not be inserted; it's the incidents whose errors could not be inserted, but that's the same thing basically)
18:02 < Wombert> in any case, it works now, so I want to commit commit commit :>
18:02 < impl> field_errors, multiple_fields_errors, form_errors, enable_multiple_fields_errors, additional_errors, respectively
18:02 < Wombert> fields?
18:02 < Wombert> oO
18:02 < Wombert> additional, hm
18:02 < impl> maybe
18:02 < Wombert> not other?
18:02 < impl> Iunno, "other" sounds sort of lax
18:02 < Wombert> miscellaneous would have been my original choice but too many people will misspell that :p
18:02 < Wombert> did I? :p
18:02 < impl> no, you got it right :p
18:03 < Wombert> multiple_fields?
18:03 < impl> I'm not sure
18:03 < Wombert> not multi_field_errors?
18:03 < impl> I have to ponder that English for a second
18:03 < Wombert> fields <-> field
18:03 < Wombert> remember, we have template_dir for templates/
18:03 < Wombert> and such
18:03 < Wombert> module_dir
18:03 < Wombert> mhm
18:03 < Wombert> mhmmhm
18:03 < Wombert> someone said, back then, that that was a good thing
18:03 < impl> well it's not a matter of that
18:04 < impl> multiple_field_errors implies that there is an error in many different fields, multiple_fields_errors implies a grouping of multiple fields with one error... I *think*
18:04 < impl> or maybe it just sounds that way in my head and I'm wrong
18:04 < Wombert> the error message is set on more than one field, yes
18:05 < Wombert> you have an incident, and it has many fields
18:05 < Wombert> and one message
18:05  * impl is having problems thinking today
18:05 < Wombert> on the other hand, if you fetch the incident for each of the fields, you'll always get that one incident :p
18:05  * Wombert is always having problems thinking
18:06 < Wombert> I HATE THIS
18:06 < Wombert> I HATE NAMING THINGS
18:06 < Wombert> ZOMG
18:06 < Wombert> AND WHATEVER YOU DO, IT'S EVENTUALLY GONNA BE FECKING INCONSISTENT
18:06 < Wombert> BOOOOOOH
18:06 < impl> :\
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19:11 < _cheerios> "all for her, and more for me" ;)
19:13 < certainty|home> heyho, i'm a scheme hacker that had to devlop in webapps in ruby using rails and is now forced to use php again ... so i'm investigating agavi .. my first impression is that is looks ok but the documentation sucks ;) ... how are values transferred from actions to the views?
19:15 < certainty|home> argh gtg
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19:26 < _cheerios> someone have configs of how to log FPF errors with the erroneous html?
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19:35 < Wombert> _cheerios: just set up a validator that logs errors
19:36 < _cheerios> i'll pastebin, perhaps you can spot the wtf
19:37 < Wombert> use_logging
19:42 < _cheerios> Wombert, http://p.caboo.se/private/91yrujpuq5jdygnahiha
19:42 < _cheerios> I only get the error on output, but never gets logged. What am I missing?
19:46 < Wombert> severity must be the value
19:46 < Wombert> not the constant
19:47 < _cheerios> ah, better
19:51 < _cheerios> can you update the samples/app/config/logging.xml to reflect the changes
20:06 < _cheerios> "Saddam asked Bush for $1bn to go into exile" (in 2003 w/talks to Bush)
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21:04 < Wombert> impl: hmmmh
21:05 < Wombert> the thing about "field_errors" is... hmmmh
21:06 < Wombert> it doesn't really incidate that those are instructions... or... however we can call it
21:07 < impl> They don't have to be instructions, do they?
21:07 < Wombert> <parameter name="error_messages">
21:07 < Wombert>   <parameter name="normal">
21:07 < Wombert>     <parameter name="self::*">...</parameter>
21:07 < Wombert> normal, multi_field, failed
21:07 < Wombert> ?
21:07 < Wombert> gosh
21:07 < impl> oh, this is going *inside* error_messages?
21:08 < impl> single_field, multiple_field, form?
21:10 < Wombert> that was an idea
21:18 < _cheerios> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=322zqTkL0-c DAMN! Now that's a knockout. </offtopic>
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