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00:19 < _trophaeum> spider pig? what in the world have i missed?
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00:54 < Whisller> Good night
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07:18 < RossC0> huomenta
07:18 < RossC0> splatch_: I saw one of your articles was on dzone!
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07:41 < _cheerios> huomenta!
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08:32 < Whisller> hi
08:43 < v-dogg> huomenta
08:45 < RossC0> huomenta!
08:47 < v-dogg> what's up
08:49 < RossC0> css - restyling the site ready for internal launch!
08:49 < RossC0> woot!
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08:55 < _cheerios> cool :)
08:56 < _cheerios> have you looked at tangler.com? they're tieing up forums quite nicely with their embedded widget.
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09:14 < RossC0> _cheerios: had a brief look - seems cool
09:22 < luke`> huomenta
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09:30 < Wombert> CAN I HAS CHEEZBURGER?
09:32 < trophaeum> lol
09:33 < trophaeum> that site... hurts my eyes
09:33 < trophaeum> *purchases another 3 domains* blah, so many domains lately
09:35 < _cheerios> i bought two domains yesterday myself. just in case :)
09:35 < ttj> I just ordered four shirts and a cotton cashmere V-neck knit.
09:35 < trophaeum> 3 domains for sites that are just going to be wordpress to pump out some crap to get visitors and adsense impressions
09:39 < trophaeum> god i love how fast delegation is these days
09:39 < _cheerios> you have many blogs like that? how much do they make?
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09:41 < ttj> That's one form of entrepreneurship that I don't really like. :-/
09:50 < trophaeum> lol, got a couple, most arent ready yet, found some content to get these up tho, in the order of 100/mo each tho
09:54  * Wombert hugs RossC0 
09:54 < Wombert> a delicious link!
09:55 < ttj> What is?
09:57 < Wombert> http://www.refwell.com/blog/index.php/2007/01/25/full-dulpex-ajax-module-for-lighttpd/
09:58 < Wombert> "frameworks e.g. Ruby On Rails, PHP, Python"
09:58 < Wombert> zomg
10:01 < RossC0> yeah
10:03 < Wombert> but
10:04 < Wombert> it sounds pretty good, doesn't it?
10:09 < _cheerios> familiar link ;) seemed interesting, ye
10:09 < _cheerios> love the comment :D
10:13 < _cheerios> trophaeum, 100/mo on average with crap blogs? Nice. I suck at making money online.
10:13 < trophaeum> _cheerios, learning seo pays off :)
10:15 < _cheerios> how many pageviews per month on those blogs to get that 100?
10:19 < _cheerios> timeplot looks cool, RossC0. I need a timeline of sorts, been looking at graphins tools, but this might be better
10:23 < RossC0> _cheerios: I used their timeline last year and it worked well
10:25 < _cheerios> i just read further, no IE support and.. is it hosted?
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11:07 < Wombert> want more symfony channel awesomeness?
11:07 < Wombert> [13:06] chrilleh: How do I make a submit button with a javascript popup to confirm before submitting the form?
11:07 < Wombert> [13:06] chrilleh: there is a helper method for that right, i just can´t find it..
11:08 < ttj> Oh. My. God.
11:12 < ttj> Haha, some sort of "self-help, feel better, etc." course is starting at work. I wonder if I should go there. :P
11:12 < _cheerios> has ttj already ordered "survival after the crash" ? ;)
11:13 < ttj> Hmm?
11:13 < _cheerios> you seemed uppity about the market earlier
11:13 < ttj> Ah. Fortunately I only invest money that I don't happen to need and don't see any real use for in the next year or two. :-)
11:15 < luke`> _cheerios: try http://simile.mit.edu/timeline/
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12:30 < SunboX> hi, why do i get this error-msg?
12:30 < SunboX> Warning: Propel::include() [function.include]: Failed opening '' for inclusion
12:39 < SunboX> (include_path='C:\Apache\xampp\htdocs\oe3\www\lib;C:\Apache\xampp\htdocs\oe3\www\lib/propel/runtime/classes;C:\Apache\xampp\htdocs\oe3\www\app/lib/propel') in C:\Apache\xampp\htdocs\oe3\www\lib\propel\runtime\classes\propel\Propel.php on line 237
12:46 < luke`> Hi SunboX 
12:46 < luke`> when do you get this error?
12:47 < SunboX> if i trie to access the database
12:47 < SunboX> via propel
12:47 < SunboX> seems that agavi cant find the config
12:48 < SunboX> this is my configuration
12:48 < SunboX> http://p.caboo.se/private/ccugmsfuew5ms3zqkb
12:49 < Wombert> propel 1.2?
12:50 < SunboX> Propel.php 630 2007-05-08
12:50 < Wombert> uhm
12:51 < SunboX> 1.3.0-dev
12:51 < SunboX> should i get propel 1.2?
12:51 < Wombert> nah
12:52 < Wombert> where do you access the database?
12:54 < SunboX> hm, in my LoginAction.class
12:54 < SunboX> Propel gets an empty config-file string at init
12:55 < SunboX> why does this happen?
12:56 < SunboX> Unable to open configuration file: NULL
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12:59 < SunboX> AgaviPropelDatabase->getConfigPath() returns an empty string
13:02 < luke`> SunboX: check settings.xml
13:03 < luke`> SunboX: <setting name="use_database">false</setting>
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13:08 < Wombert> luke`: good catch
13:08 < Wombert> that's it
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13:15 < SunboX> damn! thats it
13:15 < SunboX> thanks a lot
13:16 < SunboX> all works as expacted
13:19 < SunboX> i should do more updates... to learn about settings :D
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17:40 < splatch_> Wombert: ping
17:44 < Wombert> splatch_: pong
17:49 < splatch_> Wombert: i've a small problem
17:49 < splatch_> with agavi xml schemas
17:50 < splatch_> i try to read it from java
17:50 < splatch_> but i can't create 'binding' because there is used "global" namespace
17:50 < splatch_> for all elements
17:50 < Wombert> uuhm
17:51 < splatch_> configuration class for autoloads is overriden by configuration class for validation etc.
17:52 < Wombert> ah you mean because it's always <configurations>?
17:52 < splatch_> yes, in the same namespace
17:52 < Wombert> or do you mean the <configuration> trikc
17:52 < Wombert> that's overridden in each .xsd
17:53 < splatch_> yeah
17:53 < splatch_> {agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config}configuration is always root element
17:53 < Wombert> :(
17:53 < splatch_> {agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config}configurationbut
17:53 < splatch_> but
17:53 < splatch_> that's not only problem :)
17:54 < splatch_> when i change binding definition in class generator
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17:54 < splatch_> the default_tags will be generated always in other place
17:55 < splatch_> for one .xsd i can specify target java package
17:55 < splatch_> but i can't do this for included schemas
17:56 < splatch_> Wombert: i'll back for next 2h and we talk about resolution, ok?
17:56 < Wombert> hmm
17:56 < Wombert> okay
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19:03 < splatch_> Wombert: i'm back
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19:24 < splatch_> Wombert: pong :)
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19:25 < Wombert> splatch_: very busy atm, sorry
19:25 < splatch_> Wombert: ok, no problem
19:28 < ttj> I'm very busy and important...
19:38 < Wombert> ttj: nope, just in ze office since 12 hours :p
19:38 < Wombert> and counting
19:38 < ttj> Haha, ouch. :P
19:38 < ttj> Suggestion: get a pint. :D
19:38 < Wombert> thank you
19:39 < Wombert> excellent bavarian beer waiting in the fridge in the apartment
19:39 < ttj> I only have a bottle of red wine and I'm not sure I want to let the genie of the bottle out.
19:43 < _cheerios> ttj is not stocking up before 15% added taxes hit prices?
19:44 < ttj> Oh?
20:13 < Wombert> don't get it either
20:19 < _cheerios> alcohol tax is going to increase 10-15% in Finland cuz everyone's shitfaced all the time
20:20 < Wombert> lawl
20:21 < Wombert> aaaaah now I get the sentence
20:22 < ttj> WTF?
20:22 < ttj> I'm only shitfaced four nights out of the five during the week.
20:23 < ttj> _cheerios: What's up with Estonia? Will they keep the tax levels at the same level as now?
20:23 < _cheerios> I'm sure they'll welcome new customers open armed.
20:24 < ttj> :P
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20:45 < splatch_> Wombert: i do some work with xml schemas, and i've correct versions (for me)
20:50 < Wombert> splatch_: cool
21:09 < splatch_> Wombert: huh, that isn't end of my schema fight
21:10 < splatch_> now, i must define root element in all .xsd files
21:12  * splatch_ kicks JAXB
21:13 < splatch_> Wombert: do we can create 'configurations' element in all schemas?
21:14 < Wombert> splatch_: right now, that's in default_tags.xsd
21:14 < Wombert> it's a little hacky, I know
21:14 < Wombert> but saves a lot of copy and pasting
21:17 < splatch_> Wombert: yes, and this hack hacks also JAXB :-)
21:18 < Wombert> I know
21:18 < Wombert> had problems with it myself at some point
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06:43 < _cheerios> huomenta
06:45 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:30 < Arme[N]> huomenta
07:30 < RossC0> huomenta!
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07:58 < SunboX> hi, how do i forward to another action?
07:58 < SunboX> i mean
07:59 < SunboX> if i call my logout action i want to forwart to login
07:59 < SunboX> -t +d
08:12 < v-dogg> in most cases you will want to do a http redirect
08:12 < v-dogg> and that's done in the view $this->getResponse()->setRedirect($url);
08:15 < v-dogg> to forward you would return an execution container from the view::execute*
08:16 < v-dogg> return $this->createForwardContainer('Module', 'Action', something else here perhaps... )
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08:53 < v-dogg> huomenta Wombs
08:59 < Wombert> hi v-dogg 
08:59 < Wombert> 'sup
09:01 < v-dogg> just mailed my registration form and student card (scanned) to the conference organizer
09:02  * Wombert hugs v-dogg 
09:03 < v-dogg> and now I'm going to take a promenade with my girls
09:03 < v-dogg> all three of them :)
09:03 < Wombert> heh
09:03 < Wombert> three? oO
09:03 < Wombert> ah ze dog :>
09:03 < v-dogg> yup :)
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09:55 < RossC0> how'd I generate the current url ?
09:55 < RossC0> so I can add an id #
09:55 < RossC0> ah gen(null)
09:55 < RossC0> :D
09:56 < CIA-35> david * r2052 /branches/0.11/src/exception/templates/shiny.php: check existance of "file" index in trace array
10:05 < RossC0> need advice!
10:05 < RossC0> :D
10:06 < RossC0> I want to have some methods that formats the date - i.e. 30th July 2007, 1st Dec 2009, 1 day ago, 15 mins ago
10:06 < RossC0> where should I put them?
10:07 < RossC0> I would Ideally not like to have them in a model that I have to initiate each time in the view - or should I just do that in the base view?
10:07 < CIA-35> david * r2053 /branches/0.11/src/renderer/AgaviRenderer.class.php: Made AgaviRenderer an AgaviParameterHolder, closes #553
10:09 < RossC0> if so is there a way I can have direct access to the var rather than via $t['html_helper']; ?
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10:12 < Wombert> RossC0: add it to the TM?
10:12 < Wombert> maybe
10:13 < Wombert> I mean, date formatting is already in there
10:13 < Wombert> timespan formatting you can add yourself then
10:15 < RossC0> I dont use TM
10:15 < RossC0> so to add it wouldn't that increase overhead?
10:15 < RossC0> also theres other things like a pluralisation helper
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10:58 < Wombert> http://www.ohloh.net/forums/8/topics/385
10:58 < Wombert> RossC0: hmmm
11:00 < kaos|work> cool
11:02 < RossC0> Wombert: hmmmmmmm
11:02 < RossC0> :D
11:02 < RossC0> ?
11:07 < RossC0> what you hmm'ing wombert?
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11:26 < kaos|work> RossC0: such a feature was/is already planned
11:27 < kaos|work> and it would have went into the tm
11:27 < kaos|work> *g*
11:27 < kaos|work> the problem is that you need to localise that stuff
11:27 < kaos|work> and the ldml (at least not the 1.4 version) didn't have any translations for these things
11:33 < RossC0> ah ok
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14:05 < MikeSeth> http://www.ohloh.net/forums/8/topics/385
14:05 < MikeSeth> haha pwnd
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15:55 < splatch_> Wombert: ping
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15:59 < Wombert> feedback plz
16:00 < Wombert> ezc renderer
16:00 < Wombert> will get some default blocks and functions
16:00 < Wombert> such as _
16:00 < Wombert> _n
16:00 < Wombert> _d
16:00 < Wombert> _c
16:00 < Wombert>  how should the routing gen function be called
16:00 < Wombert> gen?
16:00 < Wombert> rgen?
16:00 < Wombert> route?
16:01 < splatch_> route is most clear
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16:02 < MikeSeth> eeee
16:02 < MikeSeth> what?
16:02 < MikeSeth> those are translator methods
16:02 < MikeSeth> no?
16:11 < _cheerios> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6927434.stm feels like pages of some history book
16:11 < _cheerios> (except now the public has mobile phones)
16:33 < Wombert>  yes MikeSeth 
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16:51 < Arme[N]> _cheerios: yeah, sadly
16:52 < splatch> Wombert: i've XML schema who working with JAXB
16:52 < splatch> http://phpfi.com/253966
16:53 < Wombert> so all files need new xmlns dclarations, right?
16:53 < Wombert> autoload.xml needs /autoload and so on?
16:53 < splatch> yes
16:54 < splatch> and extended "configuration"
16:54 < Wombert> then we can't do it :(
16:54 < splatch> oops - configurations
16:54 < splatch> Wombert: why we can't?
16:54 < Wombert> that's a BC break
16:55 < splatch> breaking change?
16:55 < Wombert> backwards compatibility :)
16:55 < Wombert> people would have to update their xml configs
16:55 < Wombert> we can't do that :/
16:56 < Wombert> we promised that there wouldn't be any more breaks
16:56 < splatch> Wombert: is it possible in next versions?
16:58 < Wombert> nope
16:58 < Wombert> in 2.0
16:58 < Wombert> not before
16:58 < Wombert> but
16:58 < Wombert> couldn't you _add_ this stuff to the current schemas?
16:58 < Wombert> you could, right?
16:58 < Wombert> we keep the old definitions and also add these new ones
16:59 < Wombert> and then I can switch the builders to generate files with the new namespcaes
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17:51 < splatch> Wombert: i'll work with modified schemas
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20:12 < _cheerios> there was Behaviour for mootools, digitarald ?
20:12 < _cheerios> i thought there was a copy on agileweb... but guess i forgot where i spotted the article
20:12 < digitarald> MooSelectors
20:13 < digitarald> http://agileweb.org/2007/2/25/introducing-mooselectors
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20:25 < _cheerios> thanks! all working in mooworld now too.
20:27 < _cheerios> + nice ::click addition, ic
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20:53 < digitarald> i think with 1.2 we can refactor MooSelectors
20:57 < Wombert> oooh
20:57 < Wombert> dude :>
20:57 < Wombert> I just made Longs work over SOAP with PHP
20:58 < Wombert> ace
20:58 < Wombert> some hackery, but it works works works
20:58 < Wombert> that means I deserve to go home
20:58 < Wombert> and have a beer
20:58 < Wombert> laters my friends
20:58  * Wombert hugs everyone
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21:05 < Arme[N]> :)
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23:20 < Whisller> Hi
23:20 < Whisller> What that error means "Too many execution runs have been detected for this Context."
23:22 < Whisller> Is someone here :>
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00:35 < Wombert> Whisller: slot recursion?
00:37 < Wombert> do you have a setupHtml?
00:37 < Wombert> don'tload the default layout if $this->container->getParameter('is_slot') there
00:38 < Whisller> Wombert: I have only one slot content.
00:39 < Whisller> and $this->setupHtml($rd, 'administration-master');
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00:39 < Whisller> But now it works 
00:40 < Wombert> yes but
00:41 < Wombert> your sloat also calls setuphtml
00:41 < Wombert> slot
00:41 < Wombert> and that loads the default layout
00:41 < Wombert> which again calls the slot
00:41 < Wombert> which then calls setuphtml
00:41 < Wombert> which loads the default layout
00:41 < Wombert> which then again calls the slot
00:41 < Wombert> and so on
00:41 < Wombert> easiest way is
00:42 < Wombert> public funciton setupHtml(ARDH $rd, $layoutName = null) {
00:42 < Wombert>   if($this->container->getParameter('is_slot') && $layoutName === null) {
00:42 < Wombert>     $layoutName = 'slot';
00:42 < Whisller> ohh
00:42 < Whisller> ok
00:47 < Whisller> thanks :)
00:48 < impl> Wombert: can we add class ARDH extends AgaviRequestDataHolder { } ? :P
00:50 < Wombert> eh?
00:50 < Wombert> noo!
00:50 < Wombert> :>
00:51 < impl> I was kidding anyway ;p
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02:21 < impl> How do I specify multiple routes in gen() again? for example to have a cut route to a specific output type
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05:51 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:51 < v-dogg> impl: gen('foo+print')
05:51 < impl> er, yeah, figured that out eventually :) thanks
05:52 < v-dogg> no problem
05:52 < v-dogg> we aim to please :)
05:52 < impl> Another question though, suppose I have some ?blah=blah&etc=more stuff in my URL, how can I get the routing to pass that on to a new route?
05:52 < impl> (using gen())
05:53 < v-dogg> hmm.. don't know really
05:54 < impl> I think I'll just append it to the end of the route manually then
05:54 < impl> routing->getUriQuery or something
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07:19 < RossC0> huomenta!
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07:24 < _cheerios> HUOMENTA!
07:25 < RossC0> HUOMENTA!
07:25 < _cheerios> :)
07:26 < _cheerios> found this great fast rock tune by Vanderveen - Weekend Full Of Weekends http://www.garageband.com/song?%7Cpe1%7CS8LTM0LdsaSkZVK3YG4 while checking out anywhere.fm (down currently)
07:27 < _cheerios> plus got a call in the morning that my new apartment application has been "approved", so i'll be moving places end of month \o/
07:27 < RossC0> woot!
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08:17 < SunboX> hi is there a way to get the actual route in an template?
08:17 < SunboX> like $ro->gen(route)
08:17 < SunboX> but as get
08:18 < SunboX> i want to mark the actual menu item
08:18 < SunboX> my routes are like user.new, user.list
08:18 < SunboX> i want to know if actual view is 'user'
08:19 < _cheerios> 		$routes = $this->getContext()->getRequest()->getAttribute('matched_routes', 'org.agavi.routing');		
08:19 < _cheerios> 		$route = array_pop($routes); // top bucket has our current route
08:20 < SunboX> nice! thx! :o)
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09:03 < _cheerios> what do i need to set for the classes propel builds (/build/classes) to be included by agavi?
09:04 < _cheerios> or as in propel finds them when propel is ignited
09:06 < _cheerios> so far i've added a set_include_path(), but was there another way?
09:08 < SunboX> autoload.xml
09:09 < SunboX> <autoload name="Propel">%core.agavi_dir%/database/AgaviPropelAutoload.php</autoload>
09:09 < SunboX>    <autoload name="BaseObject">propel/om/BaseObject.php</autoload>
09:09 < SunboX>    <autoload name="Persistent">propel/om/Persistent.php</autoload>
09:09 < SunboX>    <autoload name="BasePeer">propel/util/BasePeer.php</autoload>
09:09 < SunboX>    <autoload name="Criteria">propel/util/Criteria.php</autoload>
09:09 < SunboX>    <autoload name="User">%core.lib_dir%/propel/oe3/User.php</autoload>
09:12 < SunboX> how do i forward to another action?
09:12 < SunboX> like in output action, i want to forward to input
09:12 < SunboX> ufff
09:12 < SunboX> not uotput
09:12 < SunboX> logout i mean
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09:13 < _cheerios> like a complete new http request
09:13 < _cheerios> ?
09:14 < SunboX> hm, not really... i want to set an attribut and show the login view
09:14 < SunboX> hm, i think i've copy the form from login in logout template
09:15 < SunboX> should be the "cleanest" way
09:15 < _cheerios> i've not done action->action myself. you can skip to any view using the return('module','action') syntax, but that's probably not you want.
09:16 < _cheerios> return array(x,y); even
09:16 < SunboX> maybe this can help
09:16 < SunboX> thx
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09:19 < SunboX> he, it works!
09:19 < SunboX> thx a lot
09:19 < SunboX> return array('Default', 'LoginInput');
09:20 < Wombert> v-dogg: http://hypediss.com/system/post/image/7611/2960.jpg?1185573053
09:21 < Wombert> mmmh SunboX 
09:21 < Wombert> what are you doing there exactly
09:22 < RossC0> Huomenta Wombert!
09:22 < _cheerios> heh @ paperclip
09:23 < Wombert> hai RossC0 
09:23 < Wombert> 'sup
09:24 < RossC0> coming to the end / beginning of the project - internal and closed releases are coming soon! :D
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09:25 < RossC0> woot
09:26 < RossC0> but in the middle of restyling the site - boooorrrrring
09:26 < RossC0> so going slightly insane :-S
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09:29 < _cheerios> styling + usability = a time black hole
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09:40 < SunboX> hm, think i found a bug in agavi, don't know if its really one
09:40 < SunboX> i want to load login view in logout action
09:40 < SunboX> return array('Default', 'LoginInput');
09:41 < SunboX> all works
09:41 < SunboX> but when i trie to login, loginaction will not be called
09:41 < SunboX> the page will be reloaded without error
09:41 < SunboX> then i can login
09:42 < SunboX> why does this happen?
09:43 < SunboX> url is app/login/logout ... witch shows login form with action="app/login" ... butt LoginAction is not called at submit
09:45 < SunboX> what happens befor the action will be called?
09:46 < SunboX> why does the page reload?
09:47 < SunboX> ahh
09:47 < SunboX> getDefaultViewName() will be called
09:48 < SunboX> not executeWrite()
09:49 < Wombert> anyway
09:49 < Wombert> you shouldn't show the login view in the action
09:49 < Wombert> that's behavior you're adding there, it belongs in the view
09:49 < Wombert> return a forward from your logout success view
09:50 < SunboX> yes, seems the best way
09:50 < SunboX> but i wonder why execute is called and not executeWrite
09:51 < SunboX> when i submit the form
09:51 < codecop> modify_comment/comment_1 am i wrong? ^/modify_comment(/comment_(comment_id:\d+))?$
09:51 < codecop> i got 404
09:51 < Wombert> http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=sc_fe_c_1_3435361_1/104-9066604-5529567?ie=UTF8&node=342430011&no=3435361
09:52 < Wombert> that doesn't work, codecop 
09:52 < Wombert> why do you want the id to be optional?
09:53 < Wombert> ^/modify_comment(/comment:{id:\d+})?$
09:53 < Wombert> that works
09:53 < Wombert> oh
09:53 < Wombert> ^/modify_comment(/comment_:{comment_id:\d+})?$
09:53 < Wombert> and /comment_ is a prefix then
09:56 < codecop> hm that dont work: modify_comment/comment_222 | ^/modify_comment(/comment_:{comment_id:\d+})?$
09:57 < codecop> optional becouse of javascript, he add's ending of route
09:58 < codecop> maybe 2snd route will help
09:58 < codecop> ;)
10:01 < Wombert> I'd go with comments/58123/edit etc anyway
10:01 < Wombert> bbl
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10:05 < SunboX> hm, same problem if i do a redirect in logout view
10:05 < SunboX> $this->getResponse()->setRedirect('login');
10:05 < SunboX> does work
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10:06 < SunboX> but when i submit the form, executeWrite from LoginAction will not be called
10:06 < _cheerios> ain't no post if don't write
10:07 < Whisller> hi
10:07 < _cheerios> lo
10:09 < SunboX> *lol
10:09 < SunboX> this works
10:09 < SunboX> $this->getResponse()->setRedirect('.');
10:09 < SunboX> if i direct redirect to login it doesnt
10:10 < v-dogg_> you must give it an url
10:10 < v-dogg_> http://mydomain.com/foo/bar/
10:11 < v-dogg_> (it will work without the domain part too, because agavi detects if it isn't there and will add it automatically)
10:11 < SunboX> ah, ok
10:11 < Whisller> hmm I don't remember where in options in FF can I find cookies ;)
10:11 < SunboX> but this will not fix the problem, i think
10:11 < Whisller> I have
10:12 < SunboX> it works now
10:12 < SunboX> so its ok
10:12 < SunboX> dont have time to find out, why i does not work when redirect directly to login form
10:53 < _cheerios> last line being so negative.
10:53 < _cheerios> i dont like it
10:53 < _cheerios> typing something here instead
10:53 < _cheerios> ah :D
11:06  * RossC0 passes _cheerios a brown paper bag to breath into - "its alright everyone _cheerios is just having an episode - it'll be over soon" :D
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11:44 < Wombert> codecop: you have a : in there
11:44 < Wombert> your pattern is wrong
11:44 < codecop> m?
11:45 < Wombert> ^/modify_comment(/comment_:{comment_id:\d+})?$
11:45 < Wombert> wrong
11:45 < Wombert> ^/modify_comment(/comment_{comment_id:\d+})?$
11:45 < Wombert> correct
11:46 < codecop> let see
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11:54 < codecop> url is calling action but i get 0 with $rd->getParameter('comment_id')
11:54 < codecop> when it is 1
11:55 < codecop> full regex ^/modify_comment(/comment_{comment_id:\d+}/{text:[\S\s]+})?$
11:55 < codecop> http://www.site.lt2/lt/panel/photos/modify_comment/comment_1/test
11:56 < codecop> i resolved it with 2 routes
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12:18 < Wombert> no, codecop 
12:18 < Wombert> the syntax for naming arguments in a pattern is
12:18 < Wombert> (name:pattern)
12:18 < Wombert> you can also do (prefix{name:pattern}postfix)
12:21 < Wombert> but that's only useful if the pattern should be optional
12:21 < Wombert> for instance
12:22 < Wombert> pattern="^/products/list/(category:\d+)(/{page:\d+))?$"
12:22 < Wombert> because if you only make the page optional
12:22 < Wombert> the / would still have to be there
12:22 < Wombert> and you should not send text in GET, codecop 
12:22 < Wombert> GET is an idempotent and a safe action according to the HTTP spec
12:22 < Wombert> never do /items/123/delete links or anything
12:28 < codecop> Wombert, i used http://www.yvoschaap.com/index.php/weblog/ajax_inline_instant_update_text_20 feuture and there text is sending there in GET request :/
12:28 < codecop> ofcause i can modify it to POST
12:29 < Wombert> it sends all that via GET?
12:29 < Wombert> omh
12:29 < codecop> english ;)
12:29 < Wombert> omg
12:29 < codecop> mhm
12:29 < codecop> just generates links
12:36 < SunboX> why should i never do /item/123/delete ?
12:36 < SunboX> i've learned it so from v-doggs cms
12:37 < codecop> becouse google can go in that link if it is not secure and delete everything :)
12:37 < SunboX> ah, thats ok... it is secure :D
12:38 < SunboX> thought there are other reasons
12:39 < codecop> maybe they are ;)
12:39 < Whisller> "Too many execution runs have been detected for this Context."
12:40 < Whisller> ehh
12:40 < Whisller> I still have this error
12:41 < Whisller> I remove cookie and works ; p
12:44 < RossC0> Wombert: I do  /items/123/delete
12:44 < RossC0> but it asks you to confirm :D
12:44 < RossC0> o:-)
12:44 < RossC0> which does ze post!
12:45 < Wombert> a post is okay
12:45 < Wombert> but not a get
12:45 < Wombert> because
12:45 < Wombert> you install a search engine or so and tadaaaa
12:45 < Wombert> :
12:45 < Wombert> >
12:48 < RossC0> I know I thought I'd flirt with controversy before coming back to the fold!
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13:26 < RossC0> http://doctrine.pengus.net/doctrine/manual/new/?chapter=class-templates
13:26 < RossC0> for the doctrine folk
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14:02 < Wombert> guys
14:02 < Wombert> question again
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14:02 < SunboX> does anyone know how to disable auto-html-code-formatting in eclipse?
14:03 < Wombert> how should we call the default function/block for the ez components renderer that gneerates a route
14:03 < Wombert> gen?
14:03 < Wombert> rgen?
14:03 < Wombert> route?
14:03 < Wombert> I think route would be nice
14:03 < RossC0> route
14:03 < SunboX> route
14:03 < Wombert> k
14:27 < CIA-11> david * r2054 /branches/0.11/src/translation/AgaviTranslationManager.class.php: doc fixes
14:40 < CIA-11> david * r2055 /branches/0.11/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): AgaviEzctemplateRenderer, closes #326. Ships with blocks and functions "_", "__", "_c", "_d", "_n" and "route", plus function "call" that allows calling of arbitrary methods (use PHP array callback notation). Enjoy.
14:41 < Wombert> test this, guys!
14:41 < Wombert> ezc template is really nice
14:41 < Wombert> much better than smarty, and dare I say, I think I like it over PHP templates as well
14:42 < SunboX> are there some docs/demos
14:42 < SunboX> ?
14:52 < Wombert> ?
14:53 < Wombert> just set it as your renderer in output_types.xml and done :)
14:53 < Wombert> of course you need to init ez components in app/config.php before and such
14:53 < SunboX> ah ok :D
14:53 < Wombert> autobahn now
14:53 < Wombert> home to munich
14:53 < Wombert> sixt didn't have any cars so I had to take an Audi TT
14:53 < Wombert> bummer
14:53 < Wombert> :>
14:53 < Wombert> laters
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16:34 < v-dogg_> 15:36 < SunboX> why should i never do /item/123/delete ?
16:34 < v-dogg_> 15:36 < SunboX> i've learned it so from v-doggs cms
16:34 < v-dogg_> bah, of course it asks you to confirm (POST) before deleting anything :)
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16:57 < RossC0> Have a good weekend all!
16:59 < v-dogg> we will (in Riga :)
16:59 < v-dogg> you too 
17:00 < RossC0> :D
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17:49 < _cheerios> woow00
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17:54 < _cheerios> lo trophaeum 
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18:11 < Whisller> Are someone of you writing javascript scripts with mootools?
18:14 < _cheerios> i was converted to the mooligion by that evil digitarald guy, like many sheep on this channel
18:16 < Whisller> I have a little problem.
18:16 < Whisller>  I have page http://dev.whisnet.pl/CDPROJEKT_1185857708/ and there I have a list. And when I'm moving element from up to down it return two others ID's (id's what they really have) but when I want move from down to up it write this same id's :/ alert("TO = "+this.id+" FROM = "+oEl.id); Example: "Jeden" to "Trzy" == 72,70 but "Trzy" to "Jeden" == 72,72
18:17 < Whisller> And I don't know what I must edit to fix id...blach I don't understand that error 
18:20 < _cheerios> are you trying to update them live?
18:21 < Whisller> Yes. But it I don't know why return this same ID's when I want move from down to up
18:21 < Whisller> *wuthout it
18:22 < Whisller> But when I move from up top to down it works
18:24 < Whisller> Do you see what I'm talking about :>
18:24 < _cheerios> seems like a very broken implementation, ye
18:24 < Whisller> Really strange
18:25 < Whisller> What can be broken there :P So if from top to down is working, but from down to top not ;p 
18:29 < Whisller> ehh :/
18:33 < Whisller> it isn't script is a bitch
18:33 < Whisller> *it's
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18:40 < _cheerios> can the draggable be the droppable?
18:44 < _cheerios> $$('li #tree.ul').each(function(oEl){
18:44 < _cheerios> 												new Drag.Move(oEl,{
18:44 < _cheerios> 													droppables: $$('li #tree.ul')
18:44 < _cheerios> 												});
18:44 < _cheerios> 											});
18:44 < _cheerios> try changing those oEl's to anything else
18:44 < Whisller> _cheerios: but as you can see when you want move element from top ("Jeden" too "Trzy") it return two others ID's
18:44 < _cheerios> as they shouldnt affect the outcome
18:44 < _cheerios> but might interfere
18:44 < Whisller> But when you want move grom Trzy too Jeden it return two this same ID's
18:47 < Whisller> :)
18:51 < Whisller> Do you can see it?
18:53 < Whisller> Heh it's strange for me really strange
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20:14 < Wombert> oooooh bullcrap
20:14 < Wombert> I left both power adapters in cologne
20:14 < Wombert> and I fly on business trip / vacation on sunday
20:15 < Wombert> and gravis is moving to a new store which opens.... tadaa....monday
20:15 < Wombert> which means there's no way they'll have old G4 PowerBook adapters instock
20:15 < Wombert> Z
20:15 < Wombert> O
20:15 < Wombert> M
20:15 < Wombert> G
20:26 < CIA-11> david * r2056 /branches/0.11/src/renderer/ezctemplate/ (2 files): fixed incorrect route() function declaration, added default cases to switch statements
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20:48 < _cheerios> buy a spare-spare adapter... 
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06:18 < _cheerios> huomentaa!!!
06:19 < _cheerios> seems i'm early
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06:57 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:57 < v-dogg> early bird catches the bird flu
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09:02 < Whisller> hi
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13:33 < _cheerios> http://www.pantherhouse.com/newshelton/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/monkeypeach.jpg << text caption below the photo on the right... ;)
13:35 < _cheerios> tasty http://www.pantherhouse.com/newshelton/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/octopussy1272.jpg
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13:55 < Whisller> Are you know where is digitarald?
13:58 < Whisller> *where digitarald is
14:25 < _cheerios> still having the JS problem?
14:28 < Whisller> NO I fix it, something wrog was in dropabbles  - i done something wroge ;)
14:28 < Whisller> *wrong
14:31 < _cheerios> what fixed it?
14:32 < Whisller> Change name of dropabble div. http://dev.whisnet.pl/CDPROJEKT_1185857708/
14:32 < Whisller> Because I set wrong name.
14:35 < _cheerios> looks a lot different
14:35 < Whisller> I change many things, add comments. Rewrite some code.
14:36 < Whisller> But still it not that what I want this should look.
14:39 < _cheerios> don't spend too much on a single piece of code :)
14:40 < Whisller> Now I'm writing little files manager, and I want add some ajax features ;) I must to learn JS, I don't know it is good idea ;)
14:42 < Whisller> But hmm 3 days ago I was in interview, and one guy which I was toolking said JS is important if I want get job in his company. So I'm learning. 
14:46 < _cheerios> if you're a web dev, you need to know JS for sure
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16:11 < Whisller> I have one question. I have some action, and user don't have a credentials to execute it. And when I'm doing request to this action with ajax how I can show user "You dont have credentials to view it". Maybe can I set other view for it? Then I will be check response if (resposne == 'credentials-false'). What you think?
16:17 < _cheerios> good question, as the user gets redirected to secureaction by default. you can set your own execute's, which check for such error (somehow) and then act accordingly for the response.
16:17 < _cheerios> json will likely be your best friend
16:18 < Whisller> But if I have set dsystem_action name="secure" ?
16:18 < Whisller> And user is redirecting to this action
16:18 < Whisller> Then I cant check it
16:20 < Whisller> Any ideas :>
16:20 < _cheerios> dunno. can't you just make the html page which has the ajax call secure?
16:21 < _cheerios> sounds like someone doing something they shouldnt have access to anyhow (in their state)
16:21 < _cheerios> --->jog
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16:21 < Whisller> Hmm 
16:22 < Whisller> Can I check credentials in getCredentials? And then return View or error?
16:24 < Whisller> If it will be possible then I will be check credentials in action and set view for it .. it will be good :>
16:49 < Whisller> Hmm maybe if (response != 'has_credentials') then display information about credentials
16:49 < Whisller> I must think about it
16:59 < _cheerios> awww... having eaten sausages earlier in the day killed me :/
17:00 < Whisller> :)
17:01 < Whisller> Today is so quiet here
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17:22 < _cheerios> can't wait to see Assembly'07 productions
17:26 < Whisller> What is it?
17:26 < _cheerios> http://www.assembly.org/summer07/
17:27 < _cheerios> programming/gaming event
17:28 < Whisller> I see
17:29 < Whisller> It is something like symposium and place where people can playing?
17:34 < _cheerios> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/asmsummer07/
18:40 < _cheerios> wtf... mootools serializes sortables using its own internal id's, not what i specified o_O I hope the existing ones can be held intact somehow
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19:00 < _cheerios> google ftw. creator it had example code on his page. then just prototype and voila \o/
19:00 < _cheerios> s/it/of it
19:08 < _cheerios> great... jEdit doesn't want to start
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20:12 < CIA-11> david * r2057 /branches/0.11/CHANGELOG: GOLEGNAHC
21:13 < _cheerios> ~sleepy~
21:14 < ttj> Yep.
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22:10 < Whisller> evening
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06:50 < _cheerios> huomenta!
07:13 < _cheerios> ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/parties/2007/assembly07/
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07:40 < _cheerios> HUK U BABO CHOBO KEKEKEKE ^^
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08:13 < _cheerios> bleh. i need a better gpu for watching the demos :|
09:15 < ttj> Fortunately all that Assembly-nonsense will end today.
09:16 < _cheerios> KEKEKE
09:16 < ttj> Right.
09:17 < _cheerios> KEKEKE is Korean for "hahaha."
09:17 < _cheerios> this probably didn't help:
09:17 < _cheerios> Korean keyboards have a key that generates 'ke'. Someone discovered that this annoys the hell out of westerners, and due to South Korean Starcraft Zergrush skills, it's associated with Koreans online. Usually an expression of humor.
09:18 < ttj> Ah.
09:18 < ttj> Are you also one of those anime-wankers? ;P
09:19 < _cheerios> Such malice towards people!
09:20 < ttj> Try waking up with a hangover and have three CS nerds sit in front of a laptop, staring at some Japanese bread anime with the volume at full level. :P
09:20 < _cheerios> lol!
09:21 < _cheerios> i hear that anime is pretty good. haven't seen it.
09:21 < ttj> So I'm sorry if I'm not that receptive towards any sort of anime.
09:21 < _cheerios> it takes SKILL to make a show about MAKING BREAD be exciting
09:22 < ttj> I saw that Totoro movie once. Made me want to start doing hard drugs afterwards.
09:26 < _cheerios> watching anime expands the mind ;)
09:27 < _cheerios> haven't seen totoro. seems to have a cute bunny innit.
09:28 < ttj> Can't remember. There was a cat bus with like 20 legs and then that oval-shaped furry thing with big teeth and an umbrella and which could fly while standing on top of a spinning... well... top.
09:30 < ttj> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/1totoro.jpg <-- That guy!
09:34 < _cheerios> the cute bunny :)
09:34 < ttj> It's not a bunny.
09:34 < ttj> It has big... TEETH!
09:36 < _cheerios> yes :)
09:37 < ttj> Oh, and it can grow weed.
09:38 < _cheerios> you should watch some really crazy anime sometimes :D
09:38 < ttj> I don't think that'd be a very good idea. :D
09:38 < _cheerios> if there's room around the laptop.
10:02 < _cheerios> some good music in the asm07 freestyle compo
10:10 < ttj> Some good music in my Last.fm My Loved Tracks radio.
10:10 < ttj> Underworld - Pearls Girl
10:59 < _cheerios> foppa - Hetki Hulluutta (guitar & man), Coloneil feat. Reetta - Kuvittele Maailma (ballad-pop?), Byproduct - Overload (technoish-90s-yeah!), Kim Wirtanen - Closer to God (instrumental/ambient), Castor - Come SHow me Love (like that some movie with female lead singing in a bar...), Mörkö - Ectoplasm (electronic), ...
10:59 < _cheerios> a lot of different sounds in these freecompo beats
11:01 < ttj> Haha, I love David Armand's dance interpretation of Natalie Imbruglia's Torn. :P
11:03 < _cheerios> i used to love Torn when it came out like in 97ish
11:03 < ttj> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dxf6keoYV0
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11:16 < _cheerios> it got good when Nat joined in. ok piece :)
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11:23 < _cheerios> youtube,downtube? gah.
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11:44 < _cheerios> refactoring takes foooooooreeeeeeeveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerr...
11:47 < _cheerios> someone wouldnt have a script that creates dom from a nestedset?
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11:55 < Whisller> hi
12:14 < _cheerios> hello
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13:04 < _cheerios> how can i have the routing not add a <default for="x"/> into the generated url?
13:04 < _cheerios> (i just want the routing to use it, not display it)
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13:05 < Whisller> Sorry but I don't understand you idea :D
13:06 < Whisller> *your
13:07 < _cheerios> eg. /user/id(/)?(someVar:[])
13:07 < _cheerios> someVar has a default of "Foo"
13:08 < _cheerios> but i don't need it added to the url necessary, which shows /user/id/foo, by use of defaults
13:11 < Whisller> hmm
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13:31 < _cheerios> 29C inside :/
13:35 < Whisller> I have 24, cold :/
13:41 < _cheerios> pfft, that's about perfect
13:42 < _cheerios> how can i find unused variables/functions in PHP code?
14:00 < Whisller> eclipse doesn't have it?
14:01 < Whisller> but for variables only...but I'm not sure
14:02 < Whisller> or that was only for java...I don't remember
14:03 < _cheerios> i don't use eclipse. im searching for some tool that could provide this, as im sure my code has some unused stuff by now
14:03 < Whisller> Are you using last.fm?
14:13 < _cheerios> nope
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14:44 < _cheerios> can I move from one action to another somehow? I'd want to choose a view from another action when returning from the action
14:45 < _cheerios> oh, it worked :)
14:45 < _cheerios> just needed the action to start with the same prefix
14:57 < Whisller> Are we here alone? ;p
15:01 < _cheerios> it's weekend
15:01 < _cheerios> nobody should be here
15:02 < Whisller> So we are crazy ;p
15:02 < _cheerios> probably just poorer than the erst
15:02 < Whisller> Sorry don;t understand that phrase
15:05 < _cheerios> poor ppl need to work hard, longer days
15:05 < Whisller> ahh
15:05 < Whisller> ok :)
15:05 < Whisller> http://www.phpguru.org/#100
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15:17 < _cheerios> humho... IE... fook u
15:20 < _cheerios> hard to debug when the browser crashes
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15:57 < _cheerios> ttj: got any hard drugs left?
16:09 < _cheerios> *phew* IE behaving now.
16:23 < ttj> _cheerios: Sorry, don't do those. :-/
16:23 < ttj> I just have some pain killers with red triangles.
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16:40 < _cheerios> jog-->
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17:22 < _cheerios> ahhh
17:25 < splatch> he;;p
17:26 < splatch> hello
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17:28 < juro_> hi
17:28 < _cheerios> yo
17:29 < juro_> can anyone tell me how agavi interfaces with a database?
17:30 < _cheerios> are you getting started or having problems?
17:30 < splatch> http://img.wklej.org/v.php?id=61648agavi%20module%20editor.PNG
17:30 < juro_> getting started - checking out the framework - and read something about propel ...
17:31 < _cheerios> ./src/database has connectors, juro_ 
17:31 < juro_> ok, so does agavi use propel, doctrine or what?
17:32 < _cheerios> setup your confing in settings + database.xml, then just $db = $this->getContext()->getDatabaseConnection();
17:32 < _cheerios> it uses whatever you want it to use
17:32 < juro_> ok
17:32 < _cheerios> if youre looking at propel, looking at v-dogg's cms probably will help
17:33 < juro_> well I just hope it doesn't use propel ...
17:33 < _cheerios> http://veikko.fi/temp/cms.zip
17:33 < _cheerios> that one has propel samples
17:33 < _cheerios> splatch, hmmm :)
17:35 < _cheerios> South Africa? cool
17:36 < splatch> i gonna to write some "ide" for agavi
17:36 < splatch> but i need ideas and time :)
17:36 < juro_> :) I am currently using symfony but just want to check the other frameworks
17:36 < _cheerios> http://youtube.com/watch?v=z77Fspd5hlg << listen to some Double Nature to get pumped up about "ide"'s ;)
17:36 < Whisller> symfony, it has helpers for everything ;p
17:37 < Whisller> hi splatch
17:37 < splatch> hi Whisller 
17:37 < juro_> Whisller, true. but a framework should 'help' as often as possible
17:37 < Whisller> and agavi does it ;p
17:38 < splatch> _cheerios: great music :)
17:38 < _cheerios> kicks ass \o/
17:38 < splatch> yeah, do you heard korpiklani?
17:38 < _cheerios> unknown to me
17:39 < juro_> Whisller, so how do I get agavi to create a model from an existing database?
17:40 < _cheerios> agavi doesnt do db related stuff, thats upto your orm of choice
17:40 < splatch> _cheerios: http://www.lastfm.pl/music/Korpiklaani/+wiki
17:40 < juro_> ok
17:41 < Fastly> juro_: if you're using propel, read http://propel.phpdb.org/trac/wiki/Users/Documentation/1.3/HowTos/ExistingDatabases
17:41 < juro_> I don't want to use propel! (it is really crap and makes interfacing really slow!)
17:44 < splatch> juro_: so use PDO
17:44 < splatch> or Creole
17:44 < splatch> Agavi will give you everything what you want
17:44 < _cheerios> or whateverthehellyouwant ;)
17:44 < juro_> great now it isn't only about selecting the framework, now the orm needs selecting too ...
17:45 < splatch> juro_: why you don't want use symfony?
17:45 < _cheerios> probably doesn't have enough helpers!
17:46 < Whisller> hihihi
17:46 < juro_> I heard that agavi is much better - and I am not into the helpers ;)
17:46 < _cheerios> only cakephp+symfony bundle an orm with the framework, afaik
17:46 < _cheerios> so if you want that, better look in that direction
17:47 < juro_> ok
17:49 < splatch> _cheerios: listen Korpiklaani :)
17:50 < _cheerios> i left an im to a friend to get an opinion first ;)
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18:02 < splatch> _cheerios: folk + rock, good team :)
18:04 < _cheerios> got a reply, m8 knows them but doesnt like
18:04 < _cheerios> but he's in some dethmetal band himself, and i dont like the shit he plays :d
18:06 < _cheerios> hmm... 9pm... coffee or tea
18:11 < splatch> http://youtube.com/watch?v=v1PgiBpTtao
18:11 < splatch> that's great song :)
18:13 < _cheerios> Bad Religion :p
18:15 < splatch> yeah
18:15 < splatch> _cheerios: you like it?
18:15 < splatch> do you?
18:16 < _cheerios> it's ok. i used to listen to them... whenever they were big :)
18:16 < _cheerios> they've been dropping single hits throughout the years, rite?
18:17 < _cheerios> was more into offspring middle 90's, but who wasnt? :D
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18:20 < _cheerios> http://youtube.com/watch?v=UPxlenE-kic more upbeat :)
18:24 < splatch> does youtube down?
18:24 < _cheerios> could be. listening to a vid :D
18:24 < _cheerios> it was down earlier today
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19:44 < CIA-11> dominik * r2058 /branches/0.11/src/renderer/ezctemplate/AgaviIEzctemplateTemplate.interface.php: Removed final keyword from the methods in the interface ... this obviously doesn't work ;)
19:48 < _cheerios> 39 commits today and still a few hours left
19:48 < _cheerios> wb dominik
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20:36 < splatch> http://img.wklej.org/v.php?id=73403agavi%20module%20editor.PNG
20:36 < splatch> data readed from file :)
20:37 < _cheerios> you're going eclipse plugin writing nuts? :)
20:38 < splatch> yeah, i like Eclipse and love Agavi, that's small and ugle effect ;)
20:38 < splatch> *ugly
20:39 < splatch> i never write so bad code like today :D
20:40 < _cheerios> i wouldnt mind using Eclipse if it didnt feel like the screen crawls everytime i just type a few lines
20:40 < _cheerios> it's like enter.. enter (1 sec)... enter (1 sec)... AARGH.
20:40 < splatch> _cheerios: how many memory you have?
20:40 < _cheerios> 1G
20:41 < splatch> can't be!
20:41 < splatch> _cheerios: do you modified memory settings for eclipse?
20:41 < _cheerios> nope. just eclipse + pdt
20:41 < splatch> nah, two years ago i writed code on machine with 256MB of ram, next 512
20:42 < splatch> _cheerios: you can give more memory for eclipse
20:42 < trophaeum_> 1gig and eclipse dont mix well, i have to switch from firefox to opera on my workb ox when i use eclipse
20:43 < splatch> i've 2GB of RAM, so i use full featured Eclipse (maany plugins), Thunderbird and Firefox in the same time
20:43 < splatch> :)
20:43 < trophaeum_> splatch, ya, thats me at home too, and once i get a macbook pro and start taking it to work :)
20:43 < splatch> does anyone want write eclipse plugins? :)
20:44 < trophaeum_> HA! you say java, i say no thanks
20:44 < splatch> :D
20:44 < splatch> java isn't bad!
20:44 < splatch> my friends
20:44 < splatch> don't rate language by one tool :)
20:44 < _cheerios> i just switched to jEdit. blazing fast compared to Eclipse.
20:44 < _cheerios> just not all the bells n whistles, but fine for text editing
20:44 < splatch> for simple files i use gVim
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20:45 < trophaeum_> eclipse's code completion *drool* so much simpler when your using propel
20:46 < splatch> trophaeum_: youre talking about PDT
20:46 < splatch> PDT have very bad code
20:46 < splatch> without comments
20:46 < splatch> this code is clear only for authors
20:46 < trophaeum_> splatch, no surprise there, i used to use phpeclipse before it too, its still too good of an editing environment to give up for me
20:46 < splatch> new people who want contribute have to do really hard work
20:47 < splatch> i switched from php eclipse to pdt some time ago
20:47 < splatch> but i don't write many PHP code
20:47 < splatch> from this year i write only in java
20:48 < splatch> PDT is good, when you write, not when you want extend it :)
20:50 < splatch> http://phpfi.com/254596
20:50 < _cheerios> you're doing java webdev only, splatch ?
20:51 < splatch> _cheerios: not only - in previous year i write Swing application integrated with php by SOAP
20:51 < splatch> now i use J2EE
20:52 < splatch> webdev in Java is fine, but i use Struts and other old libraries
20:55 < _cheerios> yeah,im sure it gets the job done.. eventually
20:56 < splatch> java developers in poland get's more sallary than php developers :)
20:57 < _cheerios> that's everywhere
20:58 < _cheerios> + you're unemployed if you do PHP outside of states, pretty much :)
20:59 < _cheerios> midnight :| still can.. keep eyes open...
21:01 < splatch> next feature - graph with validator's xincludes :)
21:04 < _cheerios> i could use the processing power of java in my projects
21:05 < _cheerios> i'll bug you for stuff if i need to rewrite code in java :)
21:06 < splatch> _cheerios: ok, when you've some problem just write
21:06 < splatch> _cheerios: do you want my jabber id?
21:06 < _cheerios> you're here on irc, that's good enough
21:08 < splatch> _cheerios: yes, but i join irc only when i want write something about eclipse on #agavi :)
21:10 < _cheerios> pfft!
21:10 < _cheerios> i wont write java anytime soon, no worries
21:10 < splatch> hrhr 
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21:44 < Whisller> evening
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06:48 < _cheerios> huomenta!
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06:54 < luke`> huomenta!
06:56 < codecop> maybe someone knows why i got date from database like: 01/01/03, in database it is 2003-01-01, i use propel
07:03 < codecop> fixed: need propel.defaultDateFormat = %Y-%m-%d in build.properties
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07:20 < RossC0> Huomenta!
07:20 < _cheerios> huomenta RossC0 
07:23 < RossC0> whats up?
07:26 < _cheerios> uhh... another monday with me going thru notes on what to tackle next
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07:40 < RossC0> cool - well I've just read Whisllers mail to the list and replied !   Good deed for the day!
07:42 < _cheerios> hmm, a link to the archive on the topic might be good
07:42 < _cheerios> if it does start to get dailyish traffic
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07:43 < _cheerios> i always check the irc logs, but i never read the mailing list (beyond what i see fwd'd to my gmail account)
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07:47 < RossC0> it not a google group?
07:48 < _cheerios> whatwhat?
07:49 < _cheerios> all i know i have mails from one of the agavi lists fwdd to my gmail acc
07:49 < RossC0> http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/browse_thread/thread/ab5dcb0304b45977
07:49 < _cheerios> hasnt warranted more attention than that ;)
07:49 < RossC0> :D
07:52 < RossC0> _cheerios: ftw: feed://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/feed/rss_v2_0_msgs.xml
07:52 < RossC0> you'll never miss a thread again ;)
07:52 < _cheerios> sweet. I'll set us up an agavi dashboard in a month or so :)
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07:59 < _cheerios> i worked so many hours infront of computer on the weekend that my eyes are so strained even this morning
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08:38 < E_mE> huomenta everyone :) hope all of you bode well!
08:40 < SunboX> does anyone know if there are any docs about propel validator?
08:40 < SunboX> for examble what rules are possible? unique, minLength, maxlength, match, ... ?
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10:36 < Whisller> hi
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10:53 < _cheerios> “You’re nobody here at $10 million,” Mr. Kremen said earnestly over a glass of pinot noir at an upscale wine bar here.
10:53 < _cheerios> :p
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10:55 < ttj> _cheerios: Where's "here"?
10:55 < ttj> Silicon Valey?
10:56 < _cheerios> yessir
10:56 < ttj> Yeah, well, it's just a bit over 7 million in hard currency.
10:56 < ttj> So I'll have to agree with Mr. Kremen.
11:02 < _cheerios> I'll have to have some words with Kremen when I can compare assets comfortably :)
11:11 < _cheerios> "Spouses talk, and now that resort in Mexico the family enjoyed so much last winter is not good enough when looking ahead to next year."
11:11 < _cheerios> :p
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13:27 < SunboX> can someone help me with routing?
13:27 < SunboX> i've this routes: http://p.caboo.se/private/homzxql4x2qfeaoax3
13:27 < SunboX> but when i call
13:28 < SunboX> default/user/6/modify/extended
13:28 < SunboX> nothing works
13:28 < SunboX> only when i call
13:28 < SunboX> default/user/6/modify/extended/
13:28 < SunboX> why?
13:28 < SunboX> $ro->gen('default.users.modify.extended')
13:28 < SunboX> produces the NOT working path
13:33 < SunboX> is this a bug?
13:34 < SunboX> is the routing wrong?
13:34 < SunboX> i don't know...
13:34 < RossC0>  SunboX: do you pass an id ? i.e. $ro->gen('default.users.modify.extended', array('id' => 1));
13:36 < SunboX> no, i don't
13:36 < RossC0> I don't use callbacks for id validation - I generally have done that in validate of the action but what does CMSUserExistsRoutingCallback do?
13:37 < SunboX> http://p.caboo.se/85258
13:37 < RossC0> can you try passing the id into the route
13:37 < SunboX> yes, but the id is passed in... that should not be the problem
13:38 < RossC0> ah ok
13:38 < SunboX> the generatet path doesnt work (but it should)
13:38 < RossC0> seems to be a bug
13:38 < RossC0> can you add this to the path
13:38 < SunboX> but the generatet path + '/' does work
13:39 < SunboX> i dont know why
13:39 < RossC0> (/)?
13:39 < RossC0> should fix it
13:39 < SunboX> yes
13:39 < SunboX> that would fix it
13:39 < SunboX> but isnt very nice ;o)
13:39 < _cheerios> the $ in the end made t not work with /
13:39 < SunboX> yes
13:39 < _cheerios> you can remove the $ and both work
13:40 < _cheerios> or use that (/)
13:40 < SunboX> both wont work... but with added '/' it will
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13:46 < RossC0> SunboX: can you file a ticket :D
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15:55 < digitarald> Huomenta!
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16:25 < Wombert> huomenta
16:28 < Whisller> hi
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16:31 < RossC0> Wombert: you made it!
16:31 < Wombert> eh?
16:31 < Wombert> :>
16:31 < Wombert> no
16:31 < Wombert> I'm in teh hotel
16:32 < Wombert> where they don't have DHCP for the lan cable that's sitting inthe corner
16:32 < Wombert> so I gave it a static IP and done :p
16:32 < Wombert> I bet they'd sell me an instructions kit or something if I asked about internet access ^^
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16:55 < digitarald> when I don't want to build xml for my database with propel, what are the alternative solutions?
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17:16 < digitarald> Doctrine maybe?
17:21 < digitarald> RossC0, u tested agavi with doctrine?
17:22 < RossC0> Yup
17:22 < RossC0> using doctrine now :D
17:22 < digitarald> I don't want to use command line and xml in my new small project
17:22 < RossC0> btw digitarald you about tomorrow want to talk to you about mooselectors
17:22 < digitarald> doctrine seems fine ... so the only files I need are in the ticket?
17:23 < digitarald> to make them ready for 1.2
17:23 < digitarald> including better event detection ;)
17:23 < RossC0> yep
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17:23 < digitarald> like behaviours
17:24 < digitarald> we can use the internal $events
17:24 < digitarald> to save the correct method
17:24 < RossC0> digitarald - just need BaseDoctrineDatabase
17:24 < digitarald> i read, yes
17:24 < RossC0> and include the DoctrineRecord Models in autoload
17:25 < digitarald> mh ... they dont have the context ...
17:25 < digitarald> ... but i can give it when i export the data
17:26 < digitarald> doctrine has no tagged versions ... so ... trunk svn
17:26 < RossC0> yup
17:27 < RossC0> its still changing lots with soc - but the api is *stable*
17:27 < RossC0> updated the BaseDoctrineDatabase
17:28 < RossC0> thats attached to the ticket as it had some depreciated stuff in it
17:28 < RossC0> i.e now uses AgaviToolkit::expandDirectives
17:28 < digitarald> btw ... u ever visited mallorca or ibiza? brits seems to love it
17:28 < RossC0> no - to chav for me!
17:29 < RossC0> brits love anywhere that sells cheap beer and has menus with "english" food like fish and chips, curry or fry ups...
17:29 < digitarald> i mean, these tourist centers are embarrassing :D
17:29 < digitarald> :D they all had their english breakfast
17:30 < RossC0> I can imagine! :D
17:30 < digitarald> 12 o'clock
17:30 < digitarald> hottest sun, all spains has siesta
17:30 < RossC0> with a pint of lager!
17:30 < digitarald> and they eat food with fat and bacon
17:30 < RossC0> yup - generally not the best of breed that go there!
17:31 < digitarald> ... and of course the pint, during the hottest time of the day
17:31 < digitarald> crazy
17:31 < digitarald> in Sant Antoni thousands of brits
17:31 < digitarald> in Eivissa, on the other side, Italians
17:32 < digitarald> between those party zones plain beaches and pine woods for the other visitors :D
17:33 < RossC0> yeah - I heard Ibiza is really nice away from the hordes!
17:33 < RossC0> right time to go !
17:33 < digitarald> it is, magical
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18:15 < _cheerios> FPF sure can be intimidating when it throws 3 pages of errors at ya. Atleast it makes you do valid pages in the end ;)
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20:47 < _cheerios> ~~ \o/ ~~
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23:00 < NekoKun> how 'stable' is agavi?
23:00 < NekoKun> ok
23:00 < NekoKun> pretty much
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06:12 < RossC0> huomenta!
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06:39 < RossC0> huomenta Wombert!
06:41 < Wombert> oi
06:41 < RossC0> hows it going ?
06:42  * RossC0 is on a caffeine fueled mission to finish the styling today for review tomorrow...
06:42 < RossC0> :D
06:43 < Wombert> got one of these, eh, stress headaches, y'know
06:43 < RossC0> eek
06:43 < Wombert> and working from the hotel because the firewall at the office is a dick :p
06:44 < RossC0> hmm norra lorra fun 
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07:51 < luke`> huomenta!
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08:08 < MikeSeth> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
08:08 < MikeSeth> huomenta
08:13 < Arme[N]> huomenta
08:13 < MikeSeth> what did I miss in last 3-4 days?
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09:18 < RossC0> MikeSeth: norra lorra - everyones been busy!
09:19 < MikeSeth> weee
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09:30 < digitarald> Huomenta
09:31 < RossC0> Huomenta
09:33 < _cheerios> huomenta :)
09:39 < _cheerios> any sysadmins here? 
09:39 < _cheerios> preferably with good network,linux,Xen knowledge
09:43 < digitarald> ... ok ... lets start with Doctrine ...
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10:06 < Whisller> hi :)
10:09 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: you be hirink? :)
10:10 < MikeSeth> Whisller: sup
10:10 < Whisller> good. I have lots of work but I think today will be good day.
10:11 < _cheerios> na, have a problem.
10:11 < _cheerios> eth0 goes promiscous for some reason at times. either Xen related or trouble :)
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10:17 < MikeSeth> cher|afk: might be something stupid like network scripts trying to set up a bridge
10:17 < MikeSeth> Xen may cause that too
10:17 < cher|afk> i hope so. one thing it's doing is killing the network connection, isolating the virtual from the internet. which is not good when it's the main web server :)
10:18 < cher|afk> --> off
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12:38 < luke`> how do I delete files that are not in a list of files on linux?
12:39 < MikeSeth> you mean .files?
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12:53 < luke`> MikeSeth: I got a list of files in a .txt and need to delete all other files that don't exist in the .txt
12:53 < MikeSeth> ah uhm
12:53 < MikeSeth> I suppose one could do something like this
12:54 < MikeSeth> hmm hold on :D
12:55 < luke`> we are talking 18K+ files in the .txt :)
12:55 < MikeSeth> I suppose it should be something like this
12:55 < MikeSeth> ls -1|grep -v `xargs file.txt`|xargs|rm
12:55 < MikeSeth> but please dont try that at home
12:55 < MikeSeth> its grep -v -F
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13:20 < cher|afk> evil rm scripts o_O
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13:31 < _cheerios> need to buy a wedding dress by friday evening. got the jacket so far :)
13:33 < ttj> Wedding dress?
13:33 < ttj> Isn't that typically reserved for the bride...
13:33 < _cheerios> ah, yeah, probably a suit is the right word in my case :)
13:34 < _cheerios> damn expensive these things. a jacker alone is 100e. then there's the shirt,pants,socks,tie(maybe),shoes left. gah!
13:35 < ttj> Well come on, a jacket is typically about 300e and up by itself. ;-)
13:35 < _cheerios> not on my budget :D
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13:36 < ttj> You're getting married?
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13:36 < ttj> Or just a guest?
13:37 < _cheerios> a guest
13:37 < ttj> Well, then you'll be just fine with any old suit you have. ;-)
13:37 < _cheerios> i can't afford to get married, heh heh
14:09 < _cheerios> "In a classic confrontation over Icahn's hostile bid for Phillps Petroleum, Morgan Stanley investment banker Joe Fogg declared the proposal preposterous. "What the hell do you know about the oil business?" he demanded to know. "You don't understand, Joe," Ichan calmly replied, "I'm not here for an interview"
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15:00 < Zibi_> helo
15:01 < Zibi_> is there any way from error view of slot to load action again with only that slot changed to error view?
15:01 < Zibi_> in other way...
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15:01 < Zibi_> i have action that produces view with 2 slots
15:01 < Zibi_> one of them is form
15:02 < Zibi_> and how to easy make it so if there are errors in form 
15:02 < Zibi_> to come back to whole view
15:02 < Zibi_> not only to error view of form
15:02 < Zibi_> i hope you know what i mean
15:02 < Zibi_> ;]
15:04 < RossC0> Is there a way to grab the url and save it like the login intercept does?
15:04 < RossC0> how do you guys handle errors in slot forms?
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15:38 < MikeSeth> Zibi_: hello.
15:38 < Zibi_> hi
15:38 < MikeSeth> Zibi_: perhaps you want a forward action
15:38 < MikeSeth> RossC0: d'ya mean in FPF sense or in action failure sense?
15:40 < Zibi_> i want some mechanizm so i can see exacly same page just with errors in form
15:40 < RossC0> action failure sense
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15:40 < MikeSeth> Zibi_: FPF would do that for you globally. Not sure how it handles slots.
15:40 < RossC0> I'll bbl - got to get the train and get the little one from nursery
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15:41 < MikeSeth> RossC0: I suppose failed action either uses a forward, or selects an appropriate view
15:44 < MikeSeth> Zibi_: actually, I'm wrong. FPF would do that for you, provided you feed it the form values and validation results for the slot. 
15:45 < Zibi_> so it will be enough if in error view i will redirect with data holder?
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15:52 < MikeSeth> Zibi_: redirect? I dont think so
15:53 < MikeSeth> Zibi_: rather, if you use validation properly, then the action in the slot fails at validation
15:53 < Zibi_> yea and then going to error view of slot
15:53 < Zibi_> or am i missed something
15:54 < MikeSeth> Yes. And in the error view you load up the form values and validation results into FPF
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15:54 < Zibi_> yea and then ?
15:54 < Zibi_> redirect ?
15:54 < MikeSeth> Zibi_: and thats it. FPF fills the form with values and uses CSS classes to signify where an error occured.
15:54 < Zibi_> if i not redirect i will just see slot with errors
15:55 < MikeSeth> Zibi_: again, redirect is something you can do globally. With slots, you should use forward or a deferred action
15:55 < Zibi_> yea i know but from what you saying from page <page><slot1><slot2 (form)>
15:55 < Zibi_> i will finish in <(form) error view>
15:55 < MikeSeth> which will draw the original form, the values, and CSS classes for erring fields
15:56 < MikeSeth> isnt that what you want?
15:56 < Zibi_> no
15:56 < Zibi_> i want go to <page><slot1><slot2 (form) with errors>
15:56 < MikeSeth> no no no no no
15:56 < MikeSeth> form with errors is the same as form with values and FPF css validation classes
15:57 < Zibi_> yes but somehow i need to go to action that will also display <page> and <slot1>
15:58 < MikeSeth> Zibi_: that's because you're not distinguishing between the central action - the one that responds to request and is selected by routing - and secondary actions that come from slots/layouts and other actions
15:58 < MikeSeth> you can redirect for the central action, because it's an HTTP level redirect command to the browser
15:58 < MikeSeth> but you can not redirect a slot
15:59 < MikeSeth> Zibi_: in other words, your Error view and template should be the default form, and the Success view is something that is a result of submitting that form successfuly
15:59 < Zibi_> so you want me to make action to save form and action to display form?
16:01 < Zibi_> hmm lets say that i have something like <page action1><slot1 action2><slot2 action 3 (form>
16:01 < Zibi_> and that form is submited to?
16:01 < Zibi_> action 4?
16:01 < Zibi_> action 1?
16:01 < Zibi_> or action 3
16:18 < MikeSeth> sorry, I was away
16:19 < MikeSeth> Zibi_: no. The action is the same.
16:19 < MikeSeth> But, the action has a write method and a read method.
16:19 < Zibi_> yes
16:19 < Zibi_> but what you mean by action same
16:19 < Zibi_> action1 that display whole page with slots or action 3
16:19 < Zibi_> ?
16:20 < MikeSeth> Zibi_: I think it would be better if you pasted some examples. Otherwise I am afraid I will confuse you more.
16:20 < MikeSeth> Zibi_: will you be here in an hour?
16:20 < Zibi_> i have action that displays content and comment to it and add comment form
16:20 < Zibi_> comments and add comment form are slots
16:21 < Zibi_> and if somebody click submit in add comment form i want to go back to action that displays content
16:21 < Zibi_> but add form i want to have with errors 
16:22 < MikeSeth> so, add a validator to the comment submit action
16:22 < MikeSeth> if there is an error, then the action's executeWrite() isn't called, instead the error view is invoked, in which you load the values into FPF and get your slot with your error form
16:25 < Zibi_> to comment submit action?
16:25 < Zibi_> or to content display action
16:25 < Zibi_> i have validator in comment submit action
16:26 < Zibi_> but it returns error view of slot only
16:26 < Zibi_> and i want everything
16:26 < Zibi_> with content list of comments and form with errors
16:27 < MikeSeth> hmmmm
16:27 < MikeSeth> I have to go home now, but I will be back online within an hour, will you still be here?
16:28 < Zibi_> no im going home in 30 min
16:28 < Zibi_> but i will be here whole tomorow
16:28 < Zibi_> ;]
16:28 < MikeSeth> post to the mailing list!
16:28 < Zibi_> hmm
16:28 < Zibi_> ok
16:29 < Zibi_> thanks for trying to help
16:29 < MikeSeth> actually my ride is delayed
16:29 < MikeSeth> i have 20 minutes more
16:30 < Zibi_> hehe so want me to explain it again?
16:30 < MikeSeth> tell me, why do you want an error view for -everything-?
16:30 < MikeSeth> whats the point?
16:30 < Zibi_> to look better
16:30 < Zibi_> now i have nice content and list of comment and form on the bottom
16:30 < Zibi_> and if there is error in form i jump to form view only
16:31 < Zibi_> and in form is only one field so it looks bad
16:31 < MikeSeth> then maybe you should make the form ajaxy?
16:31 < Zibi_> i have it with ajax now
16:31 < MikeSeth> (still, I dont see how it looks better)
16:32 < Zibi_> just was wondering
16:32 < Zibi_> if there is any tricky way of doing it without ajax
16:32 < MikeSeth> no, I think you're simply doing it wrong :)
16:33 < MikeSeth> and of course, you can check in the view if the action is running in a slot or not
16:33 < MikeSeth> (donno if that helps in your case)
16:33 < MikeSeth> Now that I think of it.. I dont really know how to do that right
16:34 < MikeSeth> you should really post to the mailing list
16:34 < Zibi_> i remember that i was wondering with Rossco how to do it properly some time ago
16:34 < Zibi_> but i dont remember what was conclusion
16:34 < Zibi_> ;]
16:36 < MikeSeth> now that I think of it
16:36 < MikeSeth> it should be a single action, not two actions and two slots
16:36 < MikeSeth> nah, im wrong.
16:37 < Zibi_> but im using add comment action in few different places
16:38 < MikeSeth> yeah, im not thinking straight after 10 hours of debugging
16:38 < Zibi_> hehe no worries i will figure something out
16:38 < MikeSeth> oh I think I know the answer
16:39 < MikeSeth> suppose you have action ShowComments and action AddComment
16:39 < MikeSeth> they live in 2 slots
16:39 < MikeSeth> action ShowComments has only a general execute() method
16:39 < MikeSeth> action AddComment has a read and a write method
16:39 < MikeSeth> that's more or less what you have now right?
16:39 < Zibi_> yes
16:39 < MikeSeth> you create a third wrapper action
16:40 < MikeSeth> let's say, CommentsPage
16:40 < MikeSeth> you create a layout that specifies two slots for that action
16:40 < splatch> hello
16:41 < Zibi_> mhm but if i submit for to AddComment i will end in AddComment view (unless redirect)
16:41 < MikeSeth> it doesnt have to, though I am not sure what is the right way to handle this without Ajax
16:42 < Zibi_> and if i submit to CommentPage i will not be able to use it in different actions
16:42 < MikeSeth> why not?
16:42 < Zibi_> becouse form will send me to CommentPage instead to parent action
16:42 < MikeSeth> CommentPage's write method just forwards the submitted data to AddComment's write method
16:42 < MikeSeth> No no no no no. You execute AddComment in a container
16:43 < MikeSeth> actually now that I think of it, there might be a dispatch mechanism which knows how to map partial POST requests to a specific action or slot
16:43 < MikeSeth> but its something only Wombie and ka0s would knows about
16:43 < MikeSeth> of course, state retention is a problem
16:47 < _cheerios> all this talk, what was the problem?
16:48 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: errors after a submit through an action that lives in a slot
16:49 < _cheerios> ah.
16:54 < Zibi_> what about calling that master action with something similar to createSlot and that just output it with my fpf and errors
16:55 < splatch> Zibi_: where you from?
16:56 < Zibi_> poland
16:56 < Zibi_> but i live in uk
16:58 < splatch> Zibi_: siemano, ja siedze jeszcze w polszy :)
16:58 < Zibi_> still... ;)
16:58 < splatch> yeah, still in this sick country
16:58 < Zibi_> :D
17:00 < splatch> just like my friend said: every day our country talking to me - go away ;)
17:00 < splatch> Zibi_: i don't know how to translate spier... to english
17:01 < Zibi_> hmm get the f*** out?
17:01 < Zibi_> or something like this
17:02 < splatch> hehe, our language is so simple, one word and everything is clear :)
17:02 < splatch> Zibi_: how long do you use agavi?
17:03 < Zibi_> hmm few months
17:03 < Zibi_> i started when i was moved to project on which i work with Rossc0
17:04 < splatch> och, you're Ross friend who translated for him post from my blog :)
17:04 < Zibi_> but i rather do monkey job then something sophisticated with it
17:04 < Zibi_> hmm maybe ;)
17:05 < Zibi_> ok 18.00 i can go home =]
17:06 < splatch> see you :)
17:06 < Zibi_> cya tommorow i will write if i figure out how to post that action from slot
17:06 < Zibi_> bye!
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17:14 < _cheerios> can one register multiple validators to be run for an action? An xinclude in the parent actions validator? If so, he could just make the comment addition a good old object (that is run in the parent action), and throw in the validation for the slot form. I take it the slot action was created to wrap in the 1) action, and 2) view logic, 3) a template and 4) validation for reuse? This way he'd have his form with errors, and retain the look of the
17:14 < _cheerios>  parent action while encapsulating the logic to his object. Yes/No?
17:15 < _cheerios> It does need registering a few things, so not ideal, but something to chew on until Wombert chimes in.
17:20 < _cheerios> POPO, Plain Old Php Object. *chuckle* (popo=shoe)
17:21 < _cheerios> 31C inside... im heading out for a jog. Can't do **** in this heat.
17:39 < splatch> :D
17:39 < splatch> POPO :DDD
17:39 < splatch> that's like POJO
17:39 < splatch> but i don't know sense in name POPO, does PHP Objects was complex like EJB's?
17:39 < splatch> brb
17:40 < splatch> or bbl
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18:05 < digitarald> mh, whats loaded first, AgaviSessionStorage or Database?
18:15 < _cheerios> aah....
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18:36 < RossC0> huomenta
18:39 < _cheerios> RossC0 up at this hour. What's wrong? :D
18:39 < RossC0> work!
18:40 < RossC0> just reading ze logs to see what thoughts there were about the posting of a slot returning to the parent actions layout 
18:40 < RossC0> but I have work todo in the meantime!
18:40 < RossC0> so I shall ponder on!
18:40 < _cheerios> I tried to get work done this evening but it's been 30C in the apartment making me look like someone watching TV. A zombie :|
18:41 < _cheerios> Right, I'll get to work after a quick dinner.
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19:03 < Wombert> uzah
19:03 < Wombert> +w
19:07  * Wombert pokes RossC0 
19:07 < Wombert> SUPWITHYADUDE
19:07 < Wombert> still online? oO
19:07 < RossC0> yo - still working :-/
19:08 < RossC0> eek
19:10 < RossC0> <3 MooTools!
19:11 < RossC0> 		var clone = this.options.clone;
19:11 < RossC0> 		switch ($type(clone)){
19:11 < RossC0> 			case 'function': this.clone = clone.call(this, this.element); break;
19:11 < RossC0> 			case 'boolean': clone = (clone) ? {'opacity': 0.7} : {'visibility': 'hidden'};
19:11 < RossC0> 			case 'object': this.clone = this.element.clone(this.cloneContents).setStyles(clone);
19:11 < RossC0> 		}
19:11 < RossC0> for sortables - very clever / flexible!  
19:12 < RossC0> you can pass different objects for the clone method - I was asked to just have a border showing the drop zone so
19:12 < RossC0> the clone option becomes: clone: {'border': '1px dashed #a9a9a9', 'background': 'transparent', 'color': '#fff'} and vola!
19:12 < RossC0> <3
19:14  * RossC0 hugs Wombert 
19:15 < Wombert> nice
19:15 < Wombert> ace ace indeed
19:15 < Wombert> almost on an agavian level :>
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19:18 < RossC0> close :D
19:23 < _cheerios> i have no idea what that does, but thumbs up! :D
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19:27 < MrJeep> hi
19:27 < MrJeep> I'm wondering what would be the best way to store an ip address in a database
19:27 < MrJeep> I remember PHPBB transformed it somehow
19:28 < RossC0> convert to a long?
19:29 < MrJeep> I can't remeber exacly. You would convert it to a long ?
19:29 < splatch> hello RossC0 
19:30 < splatch> hello Wombert :)
19:30 < RossC0> heh splatch long time no see!
19:30 < RossC0> MrJeep - easier to index / store
19:30 < splatch> RossC0: yes, long time :)
19:30 < RossC0> saw your site had been dzoned!
19:30 < splatch> anyone want's see Agavi module editor UI - final version? ;)
19:31 < RossC0> MrJeep http://uk2.php.net/ip2long
19:31 < splatch> RossC0: yes, was and was kicked ;)
19:31 < RossC0> kicked ?
19:32 < splatch> yeah, 10 votes up and 10 votes down
19:33 < splatch> btw this post i writed to contest
19:34 < splatch> and now judge must translate it to english
19:34 < splatch> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/wayne/2007/08/02/enjoy-the-shirt/ :)
19:35 < splatch> RossC0: today we saw here Zibi, do you work with he?
19:35 < RossC0> yeah hes my team :D
19:36 < splatch> cool, you've own team? :)
19:36 < splatch> it is big team?
19:36 < RossC0> yeah it is Zibi!
19:37 < RossC0> but it depends on the project
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19:37 < RossC0> apparently - but we'll have to see how many underlings I can get in the near future
19:38 < RossC0> right I have work to finish off!
19:39 < splatch> bbl :)
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19:57 < MrJeep_> under propel, anyone can tell me the difference between DOUBLE, DECIMAL, and FLOAT ?
20:00 < splatch> there isn't differences
20:01 < splatch> for php all float point types are one
20:01 < MrJeep_> yeah but with propel
20:02 < MrJeep_> for a given field's tpe
20:02 < MrJeep_> type*
20:02 < splatch> propel translate given type to database type
20:03 < splatch> for example mssql doesn't support decimal type
20:03 < splatch> only number(x,y)
20:03 < splatch> etc
20:05 < RossC0> laters all
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20:11 < digitarald> mh ... now i like doctrine ... they use mootools in their docs
20:16 < _cheerios> heh
20:18 < _cheerios> i like moo as the sortables are so much faster here on linux-ff than the prototype sortables i've been using before
20:20 < digitarald> the only fast thing in prototype are the selectors, because they copied them from yui ext :)
20:21 < digitarald> anyway, if u write apps that don't need to be fast its cool
20:26 < _cheerios> the performance was horrible. I want my js to be fast on linux-ff, if only for me ;)
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20:29 < digitarald> same here ... 20% of my mootools development are performance tests in firebug :D
20:29 < digitarald> and moobuger
20:32 < splatch> moo is everywhere! :)
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20:37 < digitarald> ... i have something without moo in the name ... http://digitarald.de/playground/text.html
20:44 < splatch> digitarald: that's coooooooooooolest java script i ever seen!
20:45 < digitarald> thx
20:46 < _cheerios> nice. beats my inline edit from 2005 :D
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20:51 < splatch> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1735543
20:51 < splatch> omfg
20:51 < splatch> skatebording children :)
20:53 < _cheerios> kids!
20:54 < splatch> sorry :)
20:55 < splatch> kids
20:56 < _cheerios> i wish i knew more about linux & networking :/
20:58 < splatch> just lern
20:59 < splatch> learn :)
21:01 < _cheerios> would mean putting a few hrs a day aside for it
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21:35 < v-dogg> huomenta
21:35 < splatch> oi v-dogg!
21:36 < v-dogg> what's up
21:37 < splatch> hm.. nothing, i drink tea, eat something and read some stuff on eclipse news groups :)
21:37 < splatch> v-dogg: do you saw my screenshot with editor?
21:37 < v-dogg> nopes, been away for a few days
21:38 < splatch> v-dogg: welcome back Mr Freeman :)
21:39 < splatch> v-dogg: http://img.wklej.org/v.php?id=76022agavi%20module%20editor.PNG
21:39 < splatch> here is editor
21:39 < splatch> currently it's only displaing data, not storing
21:40 < splatch> currently he only displaing data, not storing
21:40 < splatch> what version are better?
21:41 < splatch> or what version are correct? :)
21:42 < v-dogg> currently it only displays (the) data, doesn't store
21:43 < v-dogg> bed time (says missus)
21:43 < splatch> v-dogg: thank you very much!
21:43 < v-dogg> laters :)
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21:48 < splatch> ho
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06:05 < impl> Wombert: wtf you doing in Romania
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06:19 < Wombert> impl: work :p
06:19 < impl> Oh ;p
06:20 < Wombert> and then holidays with some friends
06:20 < Wombert> if the work is done :p
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06:21 < impl> Cool :D
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06:52 < _cheerios> huomenta!
07:06 < Wombert> oi
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07:28 < luke`_> huomenta
07:28 < MikeSeth> huomenta
07:37 < Arme[N]> huomenta
07:37 < ttj> Yo.
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07:56 < digitarald> v-dogg, what comes first: Database initialize or User startup
07:57 < digitarald> mh, in factories user comes after database
07:58 < digitarald> doctrine throws a Doctrine_Connection_Exception, like its not connected when the User starts up
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08:09 < digitarald> nevermind, solved
08:10 < MikeSeth> digitarald: you managed to force Doctrine to work properly?
08:10 < MikeSeth> last time I tried, I found it.. undocumented.
08:11 < digitarald> http://www.phpdoctrine.net/doctrine/manual/new/?one-page=1
08:11 < digitarald> and from RossC0: http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/381
08:11 < digitarald> had to connect during initialize
08:11 < digitarald> the only change
08:13 < digitarald> now it works like charme with serialised records
08:30 < digitarald> the nested sets are pretty cool
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10:59 < RossC0> Huomenta!
11:09 < v-dogg> huomenta
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11:34 < digitarald> hey RossC0
11:35 < RossC0> hey
11:35 < RossC0> 3 hour meeting
11:35 < RossC0> fek
11:36 < digitarald> MooSelectors refactored
11:36 < digitarald> shall they also work with 1.11?
11:37 < RossC0> nah
11:37 < RossC0> mine doesnt :D
11:37 < digitarald> not?
11:37 < RossC0> I moved it to 1.2
11:37 < digitarald> only bindWithEvent, what else?
11:38 < RossC0> actually it should work backwards
11:38 < RossC0> only thing I need to improve is the event cache
11:38 < RossC0> as its a double index cache at the moment
11:39 < RossC0> so I can check if events already exist - so I don't reapply event to elements
11:39 < RossC0> I think you've seen it - want a pastie?
11:39 < digitarald> ;)
11:41 < digitarald> let me test and i paste mine
11:46 < RossC0> gogogo
11:50 < MikeSeth> zibi asked an interesting question yesterday and I didnt have an answer
11:51 < MikeSeth> he has a bunch of slotted actions, one of which is a form. when that form is submitted, how should the submitted values be delivered to the slotted action? it is not the main action that handles them
11:51 < MikeSeth> and more to the point, how to preserve states of other slots when validation on the form's action fails 
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12:08 < RossC0> yeah - still not sure on the answer
12:08 < RossC0> because the slot should be able to be called independently
12:09 < RossC0> or have the ability so that it can
12:10 < RossC0> so I'm guessing that there has to be some mechanism - (the session?) which stores information about what the current action is and if a slot fails then diverts back to the previous current action
12:11 < RossC0> it won't necessary help keep state of other slots - but it will mean that the slots errors are displayed in the same context as they occured
12:12 < RossC0> I think I can manage that easily, similar to how the flash works but will need to think / test it out 
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12:17 < RossC0> bbl lunch!
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12:17 < Whisller> hi :)
12:17 < MikeSeth> RossC0: yeah, I thought some sort of dispatching mechanism is needed, but that would mean you need to indiscriminately save the state of previous actions
12:17 < MikeSeth> sounds like a bad idea..
13:07 < _cheerios> 30C inside again. :|
13:07 < luke`> ac broken?
13:08 < _cheerios> no such thing
13:09 < RossC0> MikeSeth: hmm must be a way to grab the current action and all slots for a request and putting that into an array.  Then on FPF error check if the previous request was a slot - if so forward / redirect back to the action
13:10 < RossC0> you'd need two arrays - current and previous and some way to repopulate the FPF with the error data
13:12 < RossC0> digitarald - any sign of ze code?
13:13 < MikeSeth> In short. We need conditional slots.
13:16 < digitarald> 2min
13:17 < _cheerios> you mean something like if(slot) process, check referer, match to routing, and load originating action while including the data/errors from slot action?
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13:47 < Chonsu> hi, i have one question. isnt it possible to access parameters of the requestdataholder inside the view of slots? the access to this parameters works well in the main view. inside the slot view the values are not set.
13:48 < MikeSeth> of course its possible
13:48 < MikeSeth> but you of course want the request values, not the ones destined for this particular action
13:48 < MikeSeth> this isnt a good idea
13:48 < MikeSeth> it means there's an inconsistency in your application design
13:49 < Chonsu> ok, how should i do it? pass them when i create the slot container?
13:51 < MikeSeth> I am sorry to say that I dont know for sure. You can access the global request object if that helps.
13:53 < Chonsu> thx, i will try this
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14:34 < RossC0> ok how'd I do a forward in a view?
14:34  * RossC0 being lazy
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14:37 < RossC0> got it
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14:53 < MikeSeth> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiieieeieieieieieie
14:53 < MikeSeth> weeieieieieiieieieie
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15:05 < RossC0> wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
15:05 < RossC0> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot
15:05 < RossC0> :D
15:07 < v-dogg> now now, calm down lads :)
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15:25 < aOgara|back> hy
15:25 < MikeSeth> hello hello, and welcome to the conspiracy
15:25 < aOgara|back> hehe
15:26 < MikeSeth> the ohloh URL in the topic will give you an overview
15:26 < aOgara|back> which i curently do
15:27 < MikeSeth> good, good.
15:27 < MikeSeth> I'm the propaganda officer for this project.
15:27 < MikeSeth> I will convert you now!
15:27 < MikeSeth> :D
15:27 < aOgara|back> haha ... I check it
15:28 < aOgara|back> i'll give you my firsts "impressions" early
15:28 < aOgara|back> what I'm thinking about it
15:29 < MikeSeth> I already know what you're thinking about it. It's you who doesnt know yet :)
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15:29 < aOgara|back> :\ sorry .. I might use terms that aren't english .. if something becomes not clear .. asks me to rephrase plz
15:29 < aOgara|back> haha ^^
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15:34 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: ping
15:34 < MikeSeth> RossC0: ping
15:34 < RossC0> ping
15:35 < RossC0> I got to go in 2 to pick up my daughter
15:35 < MikeSeth> ah ok. I wanted to raise discussion about error handling and dispatching for slot actions
15:36 < MikeSeth> I'll post to ML, it's a really important matter.
15:37 < RossC0> ah ok - working on extending the base to include it
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15:37 < MrJeep> hi
15:37 < RossC0> but discuss first sounds cool
15:37 < RossC0> k laters all
15:37 < MikeSeth> I should start uploading my debug classes
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15:37 < MrJeep> i need some opinions
15:37 < MikeSeth> tidy, commenting renderer, etc.
15:38 < MrJeep> I'm working on the website on my new job
15:38 < MrJeep> and I now I'm working on the newletter parts
15:38 < MikeSeth> ace :D
15:38 < MrJeep> when a user subscribe, he may also fill a small statistical survey
15:38 < MrJeep> like interests (multiple checkboxes)
15:39 < MrJeep> age group, gender, income
15:39 < MrJeep> etc
15:39 < MrJeep> my problem is how I'll name all those table
15:39 < MrJeep> in the database of course
15:39 < MikeSeth> `survey`?
15:40 < aOgara|back> contact
15:40 < MrJeep> bad word
15:40 < MrJeep> hum
15:40 < MikeSeth> survey_data? thats seriously not a question that begs our help
15:41 < aOgara|back> profile ?
15:41 < MrJeep> 1 min
15:41 < aOgara|back> FBI_tracking_me
15:41 < aOgara|back> hehe
15:42  * MikeSeth ponders whether to add a new module for the backend
15:42  * aOgara|back went out
15:42 < MrJeep> yeah survey's the word
15:42 < MikeSeth> nah fuck this, I'll just add a global model
15:42 < MrJeep> i have a newsletter_subscriver table
15:42 < MrJeep> a demographic_age_group table
15:42 < MrJeep> a demographic_income table
15:42 < MikeSeth> noooooooo
15:43 < MikeSeth> why?!
15:43 < MrJeep> a subscriber_interest table
15:43 < MikeSeth> store the whole thing in one table
15:43 < digitarald> isnt it all for per-user?
15:43 < MikeSeth> what if you need more categories? one table for each?
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15:43 < digitarald> user_id|question|chioce
15:43 < aOgara|back> wow i just talled about fbi sowat .. CIA came in ?
15:43 < aOgara|back> :\
15:44 < MrJeep> demographic_age_group stores data like 15-18, 19-21
15:44 < MrJeep> the thing is I'm creating a lot of tables for this
15:44 < MikeSeth> aOgara|back: CIA is a bot that reports trac updates into the channel
15:44 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: so don't
15:44 < MrJeep> and I'm not sure I'm doing it the right way
15:44 < aOgara|back> ^^
15:44 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: create a table of categories. Create a table of users. Create a linking table to store the user's choices.
15:44 < digitarald> aOgara|back, we tell that everyone ... when he posts trac updates here he also scans all your mp3s
15:45 < digitarald> so the CIA headquarter has always the best music on their iPods
15:45 < aOgara|back> mp3s aren't my pb ... :D but divx content might *nods*
15:45 < MikeSeth> Apple is communism.
15:46 < MikeSeth> well, commercial communism.
15:46 < digitarald> :D
15:46 < aOgara|back> lol
15:46 < MrJeep> MikeSeth : so you would not create a field like subscriber_age_group in the newsletter_subscriber table ?
15:46 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: absolutely not.
15:47 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: you dont want to modify schema on the production database every time you need to add a new topic to the survey
15:47 < MikeSeth> that's kinda like taking apart your car engine so that you can fill the fuel tank
15:47 < MrJeep> something like survery_data insteand which will contains the row age_group
15:47 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: not a row either
15:47 < aOgara|back> MrJeep: I would create .. as Mike: 1 contact table (human relatives information container) 1 account table, 1 newsletter groupe table
15:47 < MikeSeth> table categories: screen_name, short_name, id
15:48 < MikeSeth> table users: ..., id
15:48 < MikeSeth> table user_options: user_id, category_id
15:48 < MikeSeth> then you can do cool things like grouping concat
15:48 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: pong
15:49 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: Ross left. I'll post to the ML. Wanted to talk about handling of errors and redirects in slots.
15:49 < MrJeep> MikeSeth : I just don't get the table categories part
15:50 < aOgara|back> that shema will let you to grow your application with a stable db 
15:50 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: INSERT INTO categories SET screen_name = "Anal sex with dogs", short_name = 'dogsex1';
15:50 < MikeSeth> Shit, Ross left, wanted to freak him out :D
15:50 < aOgara|back> and extends to ... a CRM for example
15:51 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: you don't NEED the short_name field, but its convenient to have one 
15:51 < MikeSeth> so that you could do for example things like this in cron
15:51 < MrJeep> in other words, the categories table would contains the survey questions ?
15:52 < MikeSeth> php /path/to/app/console.php SendNewsLetters --categories=dogsex1,fisheating8 etc
15:52 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: yep.
15:52 < MrJeep> ok now I get it
15:52 < aOgara|back> Mike: I'll give you mi opinon about agavi a bit later ... (in night or week) seems i need to play with a little bit ... 
15:52 < aOgara|back> to definitvely make my opinon
15:52 < MikeSeth> aOgara|back: you don't have to. You love it already. It's the only PHP framework that makes sense. ;)
15:53 < aOgara|back> but I already have 2 good points : 1. it don't necessarly need apache mod_rewrite which make it "windows/IIS" friendly ...
15:53 < aOgara|back> I'm not insulting ^^
15:54 < aOgara|back> 2. i like that idee of an mixed environment
15:54 < aOgara|back> from dev to production
15:55 < aOgara|back> haha (just read your note)
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15:58 < MikeSeth> aOgara|back: and if you want more good points, look what happens in your cache/ directory ;)
15:58 < aOgara|back> I will
15:59 < MikeSeth> and of course, 
15:59 < MikeSeth> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/samples
15:59 < MikeSeth> sample application demonstrating some advanced tricks
15:59 < MikeSeth> (routing callbacks, nested configuration, custom filters, authorization, etc)
16:01 < aOgara|back> k
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16:18 < MikeSeth> aight
16:18 < MikeSeth> this day is over
16:18 < MikeSeth> im getting the fuck outta here
16:18 < MikeSeth> questions -> /msg
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16:32 < aOgara|back> knok knok
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16:33 < aOgara|back> I got a Parse error:  parse error, unexpected T_CLASS
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16:34 < aOgara|back> seems it's cause by "final" before the class 
16:34 < aOgara|back> woops .. in AgaviConfig.class.php
16:39 < aOgara|back> wtf .. i was running php4
16:40 < aOgara|back> my fault
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16:49 < aOgara|back> c u later
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17:14 < _cheerios> jee
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17:43 < Wombert> oi
18:07 < digitarald> v-dogg, your docbook parser is on-the-fly or command line?
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19:01 < MrJeep> hi
19:02 < MrJeep> does agavi has a method to get the REMOTE_ADDR parameter ?
19:03 < v-dogg> digitarald: on the fly
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19:06 < digitarald> is it open source? :D
19:07 < v-dogg> http://svn.projectbin.org/sqlitemanual/trunk/feedback/
19:07 < v-dogg> http://svn.projectbin.org/sqlitemanual/trunk/feedback/app/lib/docbook/DocBookXml2Array.class.php
19:07 < digitarald> ah, great
19:08 < digitarald> so I can add comment system
19:08 < digitarald> any idea how to add unique id's to each paragraph?
19:09 < v-dogg> I'd think you can add it ids to the docbook xml
19:10 < v-dogg> I only use section ids
19:14 < _cheerios> not such an easy that that uid handling :|
19:15 < digitarald> maybe comments on sections are enough
19:15 < digitarald> too much comments are confusing
19:16 < _cheerios> how do you make the id's unique throughout all the pages?
19:16 < digitarald> title/parent/path
19:16 < digitarald> and the sections have id's
19:16 < digitarald> ... http://svn.projectbin.org/sqlitemanual/trunk/feedback/app/lib/docbook/DocBookXml2Array.class.php
19:16 < digitarald> parseSection
19:17 < _cheerios> if you change the title, do the comments become lost?
19:17 < digitarald> no
19:18 < _cheerios> how does that work out?
19:18 < digitarald> <section id="what-is-sqlite">
19:18 < digitarald> here
19:18 < digitarald> http://svn.projectbin.org/sqlitemanual/trunk/sqlitemanual.xml
19:18 < digitarald> i thought about a maintain script for the comments
19:18 < _cheerios> ok, so manually typed in id's
19:18 < digitarald> so u can see which comments are without correct section id and move them to the correct id
19:19 < digitarald> so u can generate id's from the itle and don't need to give them manual
19:19 < _cheerios> if another page has id="about" as well, is it still a unique id?
19:20 < v-dogg> digitarald: yes, I think commenting per paragraph (like in the django book) gets too messy
19:25 < digitarald> mh ... where is the action that generates the multipage html?
19:25 < _cheerios> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6937655.stm omg at shoepic
19:25 < v-dogg> digitarald: look at the makefile
19:26 < digitarald> so its not really on the fly
19:32 < v-dogg> the html is generated by the xsltproc of course, only the chapters and sections are parsed on demand
19:32 < digitarald> :D a friend of mine has to convert the comedy central homepage from prototype to mootools ... poor guy
19:32 < digitarald> document.getElementsByClassName('foo', $('bar')).first(); .... vs ...
19:32 < digitarald> $('bar').getElement('.bar');
19:32 < v-dogg> for the feedback form (http://projectbin.org/sqlitemanual/contribute/submit/appropriate-uses-for-sqlite)
19:33 < impl> digitarald: You're a mootools developer right?
19:33 < digitarald> yes
19:33 < impl> cool
19:33 < impl> mootools rocks~
19:34 < digitarald> thx, glad u like it :)
19:35 < digitarald> v-dogg: i wanted to make makefile independent from command line and svn hooks and start it via php checking latest svn rev
19:35 < digitarald> like mootools demos, all demos are on an extra svn and parsed on-the-fly
19:36 < digitarald> http://svn-demos.mootools.net/
19:37 < digitarald> and similar like that I wanted to have the books/chapters on a svn, and the frontend using the latest version
19:37 < impl> Do you use the new SVN PHP extension?
19:38 < digitarald> the one with the big "EXPERIMENTAL" text?
19:38 < impl> yes :)
19:38 < digitarald> no, not yet
19:38 < digitarald> exec
19:38 < impl> ah ;p
19:38 < digitarald> but it looks good
19:39 < digitarald> any app that uses that already?
19:39 < digitarald> never saw it, all apps i saw using exec
19:40 < impl> never seen it in use either
19:58 < _cheerios> 29½C anymore, temps lowering \o/
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20:44 < _cheerios> what do you need to read the agavi session? session_name('Agavi') and session_start() should suffice?
20:44 < v-dogg> ?
20:45 < _cheerios> the Agavi cookie, im forgetting something basic to just "see" it
20:45 < _cheerios> (outside of Agavi, that is)
20:46 < _cheerios> ah, right, was calling it wrong.
20:46 < _cheerios> $_COOKIE not $_SESSION :)
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21:36 < aogara> hum ... pear don't works for agavi ... 
21:37 < v-dogg> howcome?
21:37 < aogara> pear install agavi/agavi
21:37 < aogara> Failed to download agavi/agavi within preferred state "stable", latest release is version 0.11.0RC5, stability "beta", use "channel://pear.agavi.org/agavi-0.11.0RC5" to install
21:37 < aogara> Cannot initialize 'agavi/agavi', invalid or missing package file
21:37 < aogara> Package "agavi/agavi" is not valid
21:37 < aogara> install failed
21:39 < aogara> before thaht I did this: 
21:39 < aogara> $> pear channel-discover pear.agavi.org
21:39 < aogara> pear install agavi/agavi
21:40 < aogara> Discovery of channel "pear.agavi.org" succeeded
21:40 < v-dogg> you need to adjust the preferred state
21:40 < aogara> I have the tarball .. so I'm not blocked anyway .. I said it as a notice
21:40 < v-dogg> pear config-set preferred_state beta
21:41 < v-dogg> http://www.agavi.org/docs/HEAD/manuals/manual/ch02s02.html
21:42 < aogara> oh right, i didn't noticed
21:42 < aogara> I'm new with pear too :D
21:42 < v-dogg> no worries, you'll learn to hate it just like all of us. just give it time
21:46 < aogara> haha
21:46 < aogara> k
21:46 < aogara> installed ... now playing with
21:46 < v-dogg> good good
21:47 < v-dogg> I'm off to bed but should you have any more questions, just ask and wait patiently :)
21:47 < aogara> :) i'll do it in 1 hour 
21:47 < aogara> if i have more questions .. i'll maybe try tomorow ^^
21:48 < v-dogg> how did you find agavi by the way?
21:48 < v-dogg> and where are you from?
21:48 < aogara> I'll do it for shure if i needs some help cont on it ;)
21:48 < aogara> Mike talked aout it
21:48 < v-dogg> go MikeSeth :)
21:49 < aogara> I asked about differences and preferences of users about zendFramework and CI
21:49 < aogara> and I'm from France
21:49 < v-dogg> ok
21:50 < v-dogg> I'm from finland
21:50 < v-dogg> and really going to bed now
21:50 < v-dogg> nice talking to you, laters
21:50 < aogara> I did my own framework but wasn't satisfied .. so I kitted that idea of mine framew ... and tries yet to find the one which fit to my attempts
21:50 < aogara> see you later :)
21:50 < aogara> hav a good night
21:51 < aogara> and thank's 
21:58 < Wombert> oh, a potential user
21:58  * Wombert missed that
21:58 < Wombert> woot!
21:58 < Wombert> and a french user!
21:58 < Wombert> the first non symfony guy from france probably
21:58 < Wombert> go go go aogara :)
21:59 < aogara> ^^
22:00 < aogara> I don't get the meaning of "symfony" can you explain this to me ?
22:01 < Wombert> oh you don't know the symfony framework?
22:01 < Wombert> interesting
22:01 < Wombert> it's based on mojavi 3, like agavi, but it's a lot simpler, and has many helpers that... mh... do nonsense like output javascript for you etc
22:01 < Wombert> it depends on what you need really
22:01 < aogara> symfony hu ? ok
22:01 < Wombert> agavi can do web services, has routing, output types, better validation, proper internationalization and so on
22:02 < aogara> wtf ... who needs to javascript to be created from a prog ?
22:02 < Wombert> THANK YOU MY FRIEND THAT IS THE SPIRIT!
22:02 < Wombert> you are right
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22:02 < Wombert> yet, they all love symfony
22:03 < Wombert> but most of the users are php beginners
22:03 < aogara> that's why
22:03 < Wombert> so you end up with questions like "can someone write a helper for me that dsiplays a javascript alert box"
22:03 < Wombert> (seriously, not kidding)
22:03 < aogara> and so are they with javascript 
22:03 < Wombert> yah
22:03 < Wombert> exactement
22:04 < Wombert> I'm really very, very sorry that I can't talk to you right now, I have a very important piece of work to finish, and I'm on vacation for three days after that, but I'm sure the guys will show you the light :)
22:04 < aogara> aw ... i easilly imagine how convenient for newcoder it can be ... but for that same reason how lame for a most advanced one
22:04 < Wombert> yah
22:04 < Wombert> exactly
22:04 < Wombert> for instance
22:04 < Wombert> in agavi you write the code that lists your products
22:05 < Wombert> then you never touch that code again, just add an output type for an rss feed and implement the view code for it
22:05 < Wombert> => very portable and reusable code if you do it right
22:05 < aogara> exactly what i wanted ... and why mike talked about it
22:05 < Wombert> also, validation makes your app safe
22:05 < Wombert> you cannot access variables you didn't validate it (if the system is configured that way)
22:05 < Wombert> and so on
22:05 < Wombert> it's been around for many years now and it really is a very stable, proven framework
22:06 < Wombert> I think you'll like it
22:06 < Wombert> and of course, I'll be there for you on monday again if you have any questions or issues
22:06 < aogara> i'll came frequently
22:06 < Wombert> in the meantime, the rest of the gang will be there to help you
22:06 < aogara> ^^
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22:20 < impl> helo
22:21 < aogara> hi
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22:53 < m309> how would I make a function globally accessible ?
22:53 < impl> How do you mean?
22:54 < aogara> accessible from any of the modules ?
22:57 < m309> lets say I have files A, B, and C
22:57 < m309> A is my main file I call, B contains common functions and objects, C contains classes, I want to access a function I create in B in a function within a class within C
22:58 < aogara> If i understand good, (both: the question and agavi) the best way is to place those files in /lib/action/ and to set them in /app/config/autoload.xml ... right ?
22:58 < aogara> impl should confirm ... cause i just started
22:58 < impl> aogara: By your understanding, that might be the right course of action; alternatively, if you were representing data globally, you should put them in /models/
22:59 < impl> By data I mean a specific object, ie, a Person
22:59 < impl> s/ie/eg/
22:59 < impl> If you were implementing a certain functionality then you would be absolutely correct to put it in /lib/
22:59 < aogara> good to know
23:00 < impl> m309: can you explain this in terms of Agavi somehow?
23:00 < impl> It sounds like what aogara said is what you need but I want to make sure
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23:04 < aogara> i'm done for "today" , i'll quit ... see you later
23:04 < impl> Night, thanks for your interest :)
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23:57 < Fastly> guys, i am wondering if anyone has come across a 
23:57 < Fastly> 			Too many execution runs have been detected for this Context
23:57 < Fastly> when customising the Error404Success view
23:59 < impl> sounds like it's in a redirect loop or something
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00:00 < Fastly> i am using the same code in Error404SuccessView as in other projectrs
00:00 < impl> hmm, what's the backtrace look like?
00:03 < Fastly> it's pretty huge: http://pastebin.ca/650510
00:03 < Fastly> this is my Error404SuccessView: http://pastebin.ca/650511
00:11 < Fastly> hmm... any ideas?
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05:09 < Arme[N]> Huomenta!
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06:41 < RossC0> HUOMENTA!
06:45 < ttj> Yo.
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08:23 < MikeSeth> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
08:27 < digitarald> ... again
08:30 < _cheerios> . . .
08:33 < _cheerios> did you check the mac gallery ppl are wooing about, digitarald ?
08:37 < _cheerios> some nice touches, but the amount of HTTP requests that thing creates gives me the creeps
08:37 < digitarald> mac gallery?
08:38 < _cheerios> http://gallery.mac.com/emily_parker#gallery
08:39 < _cheerios> it loads >1.5MB of data on first load, so it's a bit slowish. Was featured on ajaxian due prototype usage.
08:43 < SunboX> how do i store things in a session? Like search queries by multi page list views
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08:46 < v-dogg> $this->context->getUser()->setAttribute('name',$value,'com.myapp.namespace')
08:46 < SunboX> ah, ok
08:49 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: I typically extend the user object
08:49 < MikeSeth> and the models/actions/views
08:49 < MikeSeth> so you could do $this->session('name, $value)
08:51 < digitarald> and I save the user to the view/action, so i can $this->usr->setAttribute(...)
08:52 < MikeSeth> yeah 
08:52 < digitarald> _cheerios ... 1.5 mb on the first load ... it freezes sometimes, or is that my slow ff?
08:52 < _cheerios> probably the site being hammered
08:53 < _cheerios> i couldnt get stuff to load at times either
08:54 < digitarald> the reflection loads on domready and shows correct after onload... sluggish
08:54 < digitarald> mh ... maybe my ff is slow
08:55 < digitarald> too slow for prototype :)
08:55 < _cheerios> i checked some transition/slide show with cows on demos.mootools. lovely pics :D
08:57 < digitarald> mh, i have to restart firefox after watching a slideshow :D
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09:13 < RossC0> _cheerios: the mac gallery uses a javascript MVC - http://wiki.sproutit.com/core/
09:14 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: $this beeing an action or a view?
09:14 < v-dogg> or a model
09:16 < _cheerios> RossC0, cool!
09:22 < _cheerios> does it do anything that would make a mootools user go, damn i want that! ?
09:30 < RossC0> _cheerios: depends if you're building a full client side app
09:31 < RossC0> its for a full js experience / not just Ajax enhancements
09:33 < RossC0> "SproutCore is really designed for people that want to create full-fledged applications running in the web browser rather than plain web pages with Ajax enhancements. (Think .Mac Web Gallery vs Flickr)"
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09:33 < RossC0> lo kaos|work
09:34 < RossC0> sorry - huomenta!
09:34 < kaos|work> huomenta 
09:34 < _cheerios> do we need our office "huomenta" linebacker penalizing on offences? ;)
09:35 < _cheerios> like in that super bowl ad from year X, forgot the guy innit
09:35 < _cheerios> RossC0, true. I've no need for a site that doesnt get properly google indexed, as I suspect is the case here.
09:38 < RossC0> _cheerios: funnily enough most all the sites I've worked on wouldn't let google in - as they're account based
09:39 < _cheerios> yeah, it's more for business apps
09:40 < _cheerios> when i do apps i want to try make sure that the information is indexed, so i can use googles engine to find stuff i've forgotten totally about.
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11:28 < ttj> http://www.ranum.com/editorials/corporate-songs/Symantec_Revolution.mp3 <-- Did you guys hear this?
11:39 < _cheerios> uh huh
11:40 < ttj> It stings.
11:40 < _cheerios> sounded like a spoof of some 90's songs
11:41 < ttj> Sounded like a complete and utter load of crap.
11:41 < ttj> I liked the "Nokia and Chevron think we're tough" part. :P
11:42 < _cheerios> i just kept hearing C C, C C! all the time i was going C C ? 
11:44 < MikeSeth> oh boy
11:44 < MikeSeth> I'm suing someone! :D
11:46 < ttj> I'm sorry, I was tricked into listening that one and I decided to spread the pain. :P
11:49 < _cheerios> there is clear malicious intent on ttj's behalf, you have a case MikeSeth.
11:50 < _cheerios> don't kill the source, sue the messenger(s).
11:50 < ttj> I know kung fu; think carefully before you do anything. ;P
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12:10 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: no, I'm quite literally suing my mom's employer. And if my suspicions are right, this is gonna be a class action
12:11 < MikeSeth> aogara: weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
12:11 < aogara> hy
12:12 < MikeSeth> kaos|work: wombert around ye?
12:12 < MikeSeth> Oh wait, he's in Cluj these days aint he?
12:12 < MikeSeth> aogara: sup
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12:13 < aogara> sup ? whiwh means ?
12:13 < aogara> -w +c
12:14 < MikeSeth> == ...... ..
12:14 < MikeSeth> shit
12:14 < MikeSeth> I mean
12:14 < MikeSeth> "what's up"
12:14 < aogara> ^^ ok
12:14 < MikeSeth> So, was I right? ;)
12:14 < aogara> i'm not familiar with those contractions ^^
12:15 < aogara> about my interest ?
12:15 < aogara> ;)
12:15 < aogara> completely
12:17 < MikeSeth> Well, well well.
12:18 < MikeSeth> good! :)
12:18 < MikeSeth> let's do a quick check
12:18 < MikeSeth> figured out XML configuration?
12:21 < kaos|work> MikeSeth: no, he's in romania atm
12:22 < MikeSeth> kaos|work: oh. Perhaps you could give me and Ross some insight
12:22 < aogara> a bit ... I just checked structure and source code for now, I'll come to begin my application today .. but later cause I'm still at work ^^
12:22 < kaos|work> sure
12:22 < MikeSeth> kaos|work: how should one arrange actions and slots when a slotted action may upon being submitted result in an error, so the previous actions need all be redrawn in previous state
12:22 < aogara> I'll be connected during my exercice .. in case help is needed ^^
12:23 < MikeSeth> aogara: we're here
12:23 < kaos|work> ah, that question still
12:23 < MikeSeth> kaos|work: oh yes. 
12:23 < kaos|work> i've read the logs
12:23 < kaos|work> and i couldn't think of some magic way which would do that automatically
12:23 < kaos|work> i think it's largely application dependant what to do in such a case
12:23 < MikeSeth> of course
12:23 < MikeSeth> i think though a generic mechanism could be built
12:24 < MikeSeth> im just not experienced enough to ascertain the implications
12:24 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, i have memories of the word "class action" from an English class. I translated it into finnish as being a lawsuit, where as the book had it translated as "class action" (eg. like a school class acting...) [the story was about a school class on some trip on some nuclear site], and the teacher could not grasp my translation at all calling it all wrong. I couldn't believe it.
12:24 < kaos|work> hmm, maybe we could use the caching mechanism to help
12:24 < kaos|work> so we cache the action and only reexecute the view with the cached information
12:24 < MikeSeth> kaos|work: I thought so too, but the output of action may be modal, and you have to have caching configured
12:25 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: class action is when the plaintiffs are a large group of people unacquainted with each other, not a single person
12:25 < MikeSeth> ...basically
12:25 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: e.g. if Apple monkeys werent so lazy they could all sue Apple together in a class action lawsuit, because Apple's iPhone is shit and everyone got fucked.
12:26 < _cheerios> yes, a group can be behind it, but it's a single lawsuit (not many)
12:26 < MikeSeth> yep
12:26 < MikeSeth> best place for friend-of-court affidavits 
12:26 < MikeSeth> :)
12:26 < aogara> Question: Agavi's developpement started year 2005 ?
12:26 < _cheerios> problem was that nobody could grasp that the term had anthing to do with law at all. pissed me off :)
12:27 < MikeSeth> aogara: Mojavi was here long before then
12:29 < kaos|work> MikeSeth: hmm, maybe we should add something like persistMe to the AgaviView
12:29 < kaos|work> and on handleError you'd do loadPersistedState
12:29 < kaos|work> which reloads all attributes
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12:31 < kaos|work> and then we could place another layer on top, where you can let slots automatically be saved every time they are used
12:34 < MikeSeth> kaos|work: persistence can be also conditional; e.g. a slotted action would persist in some case, but not others, and the same action outside a slot may not persist at all
12:34 < MikeSeth> hmmm
12:34 < MikeSeth> tell ya what
12:35 < MikeSeth> i have a huge whiteboard in the office. I'll try to model it and see what I come up with
12:37 < kaos|work> k, cool
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12:56 < Whisller> hi :)
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13:56 < SunboX> is there a way to combine propel validator with the agavi one?
13:56 < SunboX> i've written all my validation in schema.xml
13:56 < SunboX> from propel
13:57 < SunboX> now i want agavi validator to mark the errors
13:57 < SunboX> and i don't want to rewrite all rules ;o)
13:57 < v-dogg> mark as in show the errors?
13:58 < SunboX> i wan't the validator from agavi, but with rules from propel
13:58 < SunboX> and the messages from propel, too
13:59 < SunboX> but with added "error" class to inputs and error messages in template
13:59 < SunboX> is there any way to do that?
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13:59 < v-dogg> you could hack something together with action::validate (manual validation) or with a custom validator but I'd recommend using agavi's built-in features
13:59 < SunboX> or do i have to rewrite all the validation?
14:00 < SunboX> hm, that sounds like work..
14:00 < v-dogg> error classes in the html are added by the formpopulationfilter and you can add those even without validation
14:01 < SunboX> sounds nice. How to add them?
14:01 < SunboX> how do i add them?
14:03 < v-dogg> $this->container->getValidationManager()->setError('element/input name', 'Error message');
14:03 < SunboX> oh, thnks very much!
14:03 < MikeSeth> SunboX: did ya know that FPF can do the whole error CSS class  thing for you?
14:04 < v-dogg> that's exactly what we are talking about here (isn't it?-)
14:04 < SunboX> yes, so it is
14:04 < MikeSeth> just makin' sure :)
14:04 < SunboX> *gg
14:05 < SunboX> :o)
14:05 < MikeSeth> SunboX: how did you find out about Agavi? 
14:05 < v-dogg> so, SunboX, use propel's validators in action::validate() and set the error messages there
14:05 < MikeSeth> I don't remember recruiting you :)
14:05 < SunboX> i know digitarald ;o)
14:05 < MikeSeth> ah
14:05 < MikeSeth> then it makes sense :)
14:05 < SunboX> :D
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14:33 < nagaozen> lol
14:34 < nagaozen> 50% of Agavi users are here 'cause of Digi's
14:34 < nagaozen> lol
14:34 < SunboX> *g
14:35 < MikeSeth> My personal convertion count is somewhere around 6 :)
14:51 < nagaozen> ;)
14:51 < v-dogg> but your convertion percent is quite impressive :)
14:53 < v-dogg> too... hot..
14:54 < v-dogg> must... get....
14:54 < v-dogg> beer...
14:54 < v-dogg> mmm... beer...
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14:54 < SunboX> hmm.. wine... 
15:00 < v-dogg> yeah, maybe later 
15:00 < v-dogg> after all I am on vacation
15:00 < v-dogg> which means I only worked a few hours today
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15:58 < _cheerios> cloudy tomorrow \o/ (but hotter temps)
15:58 < _cheerios> but next week is all rain \o/
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16:01 < v-dogg> good good
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16:02 < Josh_A> hi folks
16:04 < v-dogg> hello
16:04 < _cheerios> (American Red Cross Sued For Using a Red Cross)
16:04 < _cheerios> >the Swiss were already using a white cross in a red field.
16:04 < _cheerios> The french army liked the original and the inverse. They couldn't decide between them so they compromised on a white cross on a white field.
16:05 < splatch> hello!
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16:06 < Whisller> splatch: hi jebaku :P
16:06 < splatch> Whisller: pff, you're rude!
16:06 < Whisller> Uuuueeeaaaahhh ;)
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16:08 < Whisller> And how are going works, IDE for eclipse :>
16:09 < splatch> today i going to drink with friends
16:09 < splatch> like yesterday
16:09 < splatch> and two days ago
16:09 < Whisller> hmm
16:10 < splatch> and three days ago
16:10 < Whisller> lazy boy ;p
16:10 < splatch> not layzy, hard worked! :P
16:10 < splatch> geez, i don't want go work tomorrow
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16:11 < Whisller> taaa :P I see how you work, all night you talk with me and then you go to work..and talk with me, after it you dring with friends ;p
16:11 < splatch> that'll be difficult
16:11 < Whisller> When are you working :D
16:12 < splatch> it's false!
16:12 < Whisller> ;p
16:13 < Whisller> Don't lie lazy boy :P
16:13 < splatch> Whisller: you're talking like my ex-girl ;P
16:13 < Whisller> hahaha
16:14 < splatch> ok, i must go eat something before beer
16:14 < splatch> Whisller: editor wi'll work
16:14 < splatch> but
16:14 < splatch> it will be re-format XML source
16:15 < splatch> so if you have
16:15 < splatch> <element
16:15 < splatch>    attribute="asdf"/>
16:15 < splatch> after store
16:15 < splatch> <element attribute="asdf" />
16:16 < splatch> i don't know how to change this
16:16 < splatch> JAXB [xml reading library who i used] doesn't support simple changes
16:16 < splatch> but that's not possible in any language
16:16 < splatch> ok, bye!
16:20 < luke`> huomenta!
16:22 < Josh_A> so does agavi do any kind of scaffolding?
16:27 < Whisller> Scaffoldning. What is it?
16:29 < v-dogg> Josh_A: no
16:29 < v-dogg> we have better features :)
16:31 < Josh_A> what better features?
16:37 < _cheerios> dinner at t home in 32C room temp or 50-min jog in 29C heat? decisions, decisions
16:43 < v-dogg> Josh_A: well, nothing to replace "scaffolding" directly, but with propel, agavi cli utility and formpopulationfilter I've never thougth I needed something more
16:45 < v-dogg> formpopulationfilter (fpf) takes care of populating the data to your forms initially and re-populates on error
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16:46 < v-dogg> plus it automatically adds class="error" to the fields and labels 
16:46 < Josh_A> someone in #propel suggested agavi to me
16:46 < Josh_A> I'm currently working in symfony
16:47 < Josh_A> but I enjoy *greatly* its administration features, more than plain scaffolding
16:48 < Josh_A> do you know if there are any plans to add such features to agavi?
16:55 < v-dogg> yes, but they are low priority
16:57 < Josh_A> of course
16:57 < Josh_A> well I'll look forward to seeing how agavi develops
16:57 < Josh_A>  are you one of the contributors?
16:58 < v-dogg> yes
17:01 < v-dogg> David (aka Wombert) and Dominik (aka kaos) are the lead devs and do most of the work
17:09 < Josh_A> well thanks for the chat, and good luck with your project
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17:51 < _cheerios> admin features? what is that? a more comprehensive agavi command?
17:51 < _cheerios> ~50mins, a few breaks.  not bad. all sweat.
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18:01 < luke`> _cheerios: treadmill?
18:01 < _cheerios> na, outside
18:01 < _cheerios> with my sleeves "PHP m**fkers!" shirt
18:01 < _cheerios> *sleeveless
18:01 < luke`> heh
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22:12 < v-dogg> wow, just found the awesomest crud scaffolding tool ever!
22:12 < v-dogg> http://www.phpscaffold.com/
22:13 < v-dogg> copy-paste the sql ddl from the [Hint] and see its magic in action
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06:01 < Whisller> Hi :)
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06:50 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:52 < digitarald> Huomenta
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07:48 < RossC0> Huomenta!
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09:19 < kaos|work> v-dogg: lol @ phpscaffold.com
09:19 < kaos|work> indeed, the very awesomest scaffolding evah
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09:22 < Whisller> huh Now I see what scaffolding is
09:27 < _cheerios> heh heh
09:39 < v-dogg> ain't it cool :)
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11:28 < EoN> elo :)
11:30 < EoN> Hey guys. is there any doco or code examples of a simple setup using agavi? :)
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11:41 < SunboX> http://veikko.fi/temp/cms.zip
11:42 < SunboX> http://www.mail-archive.com/users@lists.agavi.org/msg00143.html
11:43 < EoN> thanks SunboX. will check them out
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11:58 < kaos|work> v-dogg: you here ?
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12:08 < roxlu_> hi everyone
12:09 < roxlu_> does someone knows a good array-to-form lib
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12:19 < v-dogg> kaos|work: a minute still
12:19 < v-dogg> what's up
12:21 < kaos|work> you know if one can create unsigned columns in propel ?
12:21 < kaos|work> i tried using sqlType
12:21 < kaos|work> but it only allows me [\w_]+ :s
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12:24 < v-dogg> hmm... I think I've seen somebody using them but don't have a slightest clue how, sorry :)
12:24 < v-dogg> off ->
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13:19 < SunboX> is there a way to get the configuration informations of an module out of module.xml (config folder of an module)
13:19 < SunboX> ?
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13:53 < CasparJones> hi
13:53 < CasparJones> can someone help me with validation in agavi?
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13:57 < SunboX> yes
13:57 < CasparJones> i need an validation only for write, is that xml header right: <configurations method="write">
13:58 < SunboX> i think all validation is done by write
13:59 < SunboX> i think you dont need to set a method
13:59 < SunboX> btww i never set one
13:59 < RossC0> CasparJones: - you need the FPF global filter on
14:00 < RossC0> actually scratch than
14:00 < RossC0> *that
14:00 < RossC0> <validators method="write">
14:00 < RossC0> not configurations
14:01 < SunboX> do you have to set a method?
14:01 < SunboX> i never set one, all works as expected
14:03 < RossC0> I think write is the default
14:03 < RossC0> let me check
14:03 < SunboX> oh ok, that maybe
14:06 < CasparJones> no the validator check the read, if i make the executeRead method in the action class
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14:31 < luke`_> Validate happens before execute*() unless explicitly specified otherwise in the xml
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14:48 < _cheerios> "Google Mistakes Own Blog for Spam, Deletes it" *g*
14:49 < ttj> ?
14:49 < _cheerios> nothing serious, just a funny event
14:49 < _cheerios> http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20070808/tc_pcworld/135686?re
14:50 < ttj> Haha.
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15:00 < luke`_> any mac users in da house?
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15:01 < kaos|work> yup
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15:01 < luke`> do you run any java apps on it?
15:02 < kaos|work> < RossC0> I think write is the default <-- no, default is not dependent on the request method
15:02 < kaos|work> yes
15:06 < luke`> kaos|work: i got a java app, that has fixed width windows in it. Looks like awt based, not sure though.
15:06 < luke`> on os x, each fixed width window get the aqua decoration
15:07 < luke`> so the aqua deco is part of the fixed width, cropping the actual window by 50%
15:08 < RossC0> ah k thanks kaos|work
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15:11 < kaos|work> luke: hmm
15:11 < kaos|work> never cam across such a behaviour
15:11 < kaos|work> my java experience on the mac is quite limited to eclipse and some other small tools tho
15:12 < luke`> any awt apps?
15:13 < kaos|work> bo
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15:14 < kaos|work> no
15:14 < _cheerios> http://www.actsasflinn.com/articles/2007/08/08/php-and-activerecord
15:15 < kaos|work> The Zend Framework is clearly an attempt to copy jump on the MVC boat that Ruby on Rails made (more) popular…
15:15 < kaos|work> yeah
15:15 < kaos|work> sure
15:15 < kaos|work> ror literally invented mvc
15:16 < RossC0> I think MVC should just be renamed ROR  - to save any future confusion
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15:16 < _cheerios> RoR is the 3rd coming of Christ, mind ya
15:17 < _cheerios> RossC0, and PHP sucks because it isn't an MVC!
15:18  * RossC0 has seen the light
15:21 < _cheerios> perhaps we could be _RoRrious, RoRCo and RoRbert ? ;)
15:22 < _cheerios> i swear it's the heat. playing tricks on the mind. 31,5C inside. who needs a sauna?
15:31 < kaos|work> _cheerios: we have like 17° outside
15:31 < kaos|work> and yet the office has like 28° inside :s
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17:57 < aogara> hy 
17:58 < aogara> I don't really get how tu use Agavi ... is there somewhere a sample code that shows how to ?
17:59 < aogara> I mean, like how to pass a data from xxxActionxxx to xxxViewxxx
18:00 < aogara> I tried to set das like $rd->setParameters but nothing
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18:06 < _cheerios> look at the sample app a bit harder
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18:35 < kaos|work> aogara: almost, its $this->setAttribute in the action
18:36 < kaos|work> the parameters in agavi are always used for configuring aspects of the parameter holder 
18:36 < kaos|work> (the thing which has the parameters)
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19:31 < _cheerios> 3	 	// FIXME: it's idiotic that we're not actually using an AdapterRegistry here. 
19:31 < _cheerios>  	3	// FIXME: refactor this to use an AdapterRegistry 
19:31 < _cheerios> :p
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19:34 < aogara> ahum .. thank's kaos ... indeed, like cheerios said it was well writen in the doc ^^
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20:04 < aogara> get URL parameters: done
20:04 < aogara> set Attributes: done
20:04 < aogara> transmit Attributes/Parmeters: done
20:04 < aogara> Database configuration & acces: done
20:04 < aogara> ready to use: seems to be
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20:47 < _cheerios> Imitations also are often of a much lower quality. Bootleg bottled water in Beijing was recently revealed to often be fake, using filtered Beijing tap water (you wouldn't want to drink it).
20:47 < _cheerios> bootleg... bottled... water. :rollseyes:
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21:58 < MikeSeth> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
21:58 < MikeSeth> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070810165237718
21:59 < ttj> Wow.
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05:42 < digitarald> Huomenta!
05:43 < digitarald> argh ... just had to advice a friend to use symfony
06:31 < Arme[N]> Huomenta!
06:31 < Arme[N]> _o/
06:56 < EoN> how does symfony & agavi compare?
06:56 < EoN> similar? not at all?
06:57 < impl> hay
06:57 < impl> why you in mah channel
07:04 < digitarald> ... he wanted to use CakePHP and is a MVC beginner
07:04 < digitarald> symfony seemed to me as the lesser evil
07:05 < impl> dono. cake sux.
07:05 < digitarald> ... he wants to use agavi when I start in his company as head of development ... blackmail :D
07:05 < impl> lawl
07:07 < digitarald> EoN: similar as they are based both on the mvc framework mojavi 3 ... but symfony is a plugin bloated framework for everyone that needs helpers to get things done and agavi is professional for people knowing how to get things done
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09:24 < SCO_Fails> mmmbop
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10:07 < MikeSeth> hmmmm
10:07 < MikeSeth> where should I put the ORM classes
10:07  * MikeSeth ponders lib/orm
10:07 < MikeSeth> or maybe models/orm
10:07 < MikeSeth> hmmm
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10:36 < digitarald> models/[propel|doctrine]
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14:02 < aogara> hi
14:02 < digitarald> hi
14:23 < aogara> Context: I configured a PDO connection to my mysql DB .. which runs ok, where I succeed to do insert an selects datas.
14:23 < aogara> I just wanted to asks 2 things: 
14:23 < aogara> Q1: to somebody to check the way i did so you might suggest me a better way
14:23 < aogara> Q2: I would like to know if there is an implemented API which provides methods reusable on every supported DB by Agavi (like {dbresource}->get_record())  ... I didn't find one actually 
14:23 < aogara> ... I have one made myself, but wanted to know before doing something unnecessary
14:24 < aogara> err ... and, hum ... where can I paste my code example ?
14:24 < aogara> isn't somewhere a pastecode.net/org/com website ?
14:33 < aogara> err .. found pastecode.net
14:38 < aogara> here to validate my code: http://pastecode.net/?action=viewpost&tag=2033 
14:51 < aogara> Why I ask Q2: I thougt of industrialisation ..; and i can easily imagaine that one can develop on his favorite DB but that the final user might  prefer another; and I don't want to change calls
14:51 < aogara> thought*
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15:19 < digitarald> q1) thats ok, u can for example in your BaseView::initialize save the connection to $this->connection, so u can access it easily
15:19 < digitarald> q2) create a model for that, like UserModel::getByName
15:20 < digitarald> or use an abstraction layer like doctrine or propel
15:21 < digitarald> agavi does not give u any reusable code like that what u want, since there are already enough libraries for that out there
15:22 < digitarald> PDO is only the database abstraction layer, doctrine and propel are ORM's
15:22 < digitarald> they both work with pdo internally
15:22 < digitarald> http://www.phpdoctrine.net/doctrine/manual/new/
15:23 < digitarald> http://propel.phpdb.org/trac/wiki/Users/Introduction/WhyPropel
15:23 < digitarald> aogara: does that answer your question?
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16:07 < aogara> yesp thank's
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19:39 < splatch> hello
20:22 < MikeSeth> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
20:47 < MikeSeth> anyone saw Ross around?
20:57 < MikeSeth> damn Doctrine is fucking broken
20:58 < MikeSeth> anyone has  a working app? I'm not sure how Ross laid out his file, but something is wrong with spl autoloading..
21:00 < MikeSeth> doesnt seem to init the connection either wtf
21:02 < splatch> MikeSeth: 18:41:56 -!- RossC0 [n=lawleyr@80.4.120.163] has left #agavi []
21:13 < MikeSeth> Never mind, got it to work
21:13 < MikeSeth> he could've mentioned that you shouldnt checkout the whole trunk :)
21:14 < MikeSeth> sonofabitch! Dooctrine actually kicks ass.
21:15 < splatch> MikeSeth: really?
21:15 < splatch> why Doctrine kicks? :)
21:16 < MikeSeth> its really comfy to work with
21:16 < MikeSeth> way way nicer than propel in terms of friendliness
21:16 < splatch> MikeSeth: can you give some example code?
21:16 < splatch> i never use doctrine, only propel
21:16 < MikeSeth> http://www.phpdoctrine.net/doctrine/manual/new/?one-page=1
21:16 < MikeSeth> it has kickass examples
21:17 < splatch> class File extends Doctrine_Record
21:18 < splatch> MikeSeth: do you have write all classes?
21:21 < MikeSeth> write?
21:21 < MikeSeth> You can import classes I think.
21:21 < MikeSeth> but generally Doctrine manages the schema, not you
21:21 < splatch> MikeSeth: the all clases looks like propel's meta data
21:23 < MikeSeth> except they aren't XML :)
21:23 < MikeSeth> propel is bulky
21:24 < splatch> hymz.. XML isn
21:24 < splatch> isn
21:24 < splatch> isn't required
21:24 < splatch> you can generate it
21:24 < MikeSeth> it was when I tried it
21:24 < splatch> from database
21:24 < MikeSeth> I absolutely hated defining schemas in XML
21:24 < splatch> what does hated minds?
21:25 < MikeSeth> as in hate
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06:06 < digitarald> Huomenta!
07:05 < digitarald> anybody an idea that I can control the execution flow of the layout-slots?
07:05 < digitarald> I want them to be executed as last actions
07:45 < MikeSeth> I doubt you can do it directly.
07:55 < digitarald> mh, they get executed on loadLayout
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08:06 < MikeSeth> yes, but I doubt there's any way to influence the order of execution
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08:44 < splatch`> hello :)
08:59 < MikeSeth> hello
09:36 < MikeSeth> hmmm
09:36 < MikeSeth> I wonder if it's possible to assign a default layout to a module
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12:18 < _cheerios> howdy hoo
12:21 < digitarald> heyho
12:24 < _cheerios> lol @ facebook code
12:24 < _cheerios> http://facebooksecrets.blogspot.com/
12:25 < _cheerios> i was drinking all yesterday so if this is old news, my bad :
12:27 < digitarald> bless mvc
12:28 < _cheerios> i'd go insane working with shit like that :/
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12:54 < Whisller> Good morning ; p
12:55 < digitarald> Hi
12:56 < Whisller> :)
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13:35 < splatch`> hello :)
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14:31 < _cheerios> heart warming sweaty 30C inside
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19:47 < _cheerios> opened the main windows to the apartment. temps down to 28C! victory \o/
19:47 < _cheerios> now i might as well clean them while they're open...
19:56 < _cheerios> 27C \o/
19:56 < impl> 29C here :>
20:05 < _cheerios> too hot to work. i become sleepy and can only think of drinking :/
20:06 < _cheerios> iPhone Bill a Whopping 52 Pages Long; "For instance, I know that on July 27 at 3:21 p.m. I had some data use that, under the To/From heading, AT&T has helpfully listed as Data Transfer. The Type of file? Data. My total charge? $0.00. This mind-numbing detail goes on for 52 double-sided pages (for 104 printed pages!)"
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00:12 < MikeSeth> http://www.thecredence.com/php-frameworks-which-one-is-most-suitable-for-you/
00:12 < MikeSeth> ahahahahaha
00:15 < impl> http://www.phpit.net/article/ten-different-php-frameworks/ hey, Agavi has everything ;)
00:16 < impl> except PHP4
00:16 < impl> but who cares :P
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06:35 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:14 < luke`> huomenta
07:28 < Arme[N]> huomenta
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07:51 < digitarald> heya RossC0
07:52 < RossC0> hey 
07:52 < RossC0> huomenta!
07:53 < digitarald> #mootools, Rossi ;)
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08:09 < _cheerios> huomenta
08:24 < digitarald> RossC0?
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08:47 < E_mE> huomenta :)
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09:32 < MikeSeth> RossC0: posted a small fix to your Doctrine class
09:36 < digitarald> MikeSeth: u also use Doctrine now?
09:36 < digitarald> how do u the data in your templates?
09:37 < RossC0> MikeSeth: I replied
09:37 < digitarald> exported via toArray or the raw collections and records?
09:38 < RossC0> I set libs in config.php and chuck all my external libs in there - so I can package everything together. 
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09:44 < digitarald> records in templates, exported or raw?
09:44 < digitarald> RssC0, do add additional methods only to your models, or also to your records?
09:44 < digitarald> the models are your factories, right?
09:44 < digitarald> RossC0 :)
09:45 < digitarald> for propel i have in my models toArray methods to export every model with localized data and generated urls
09:45 < digitarald> which can be slow
09:46 < digitarald> but it makes it easy to send also json data
09:46 < RossC0> my models on the whole interact with the Records - and get data as needed for use with templates
09:46 < RossC0> sometimes toArray() is enough
09:47 < digitarald> but your models do not extend the records, right?
09:47 < RossC0> but also I'm planning to start using Doctrine::FETCH_ARRAY where I just gather data
09:48 < RossC0> digitarald: thats right - they are just data manipulation methods
09:48 < luke`> Does doctrine score over propel?
09:49 < RossC0> digitarald: http://www.phpdoctrine.net/doctrine/manual/new/?one-page=1#improving-performance
09:50 < RossC0> luke`: I've not used propel so can't comment
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09:55 < digitarald> i use propel for a bigger project
09:55 < digitarald> u can work faster with doctrine, but propel has imo a cleaner API
09:55 < digitarald> doctrine has more helpers
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10:01 < Whisller> Good morning :)
10:04 < digitarald> why symfony needs a plugin for doctrine?
10:05 < digitarald> mh
10:05 < digitarald> to configure everything with yaml?
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10:25 < Wombert> huomenta
10:25 < Wombert> digitarald: slots are not executed on loadLayout()
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10:33 < Wombert_> zomg
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11:29  * Wombert pokes everyone
11:29 < Wombert> wuzah?
11:29 < Wombert> :<
11:29 < RossC0> ola!
11:31 < v-dogg> no poking!
11:31 < v-dogg> almost poked my eye out
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12:14 < luke`> anybody used the ezTemplate?
12:15 < Whisller> no
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12:24 < Wombert> luke`: works just fine :)
12:24 < Wombert> has built in blocks and functions for i18n and routing, too
12:24 < Wombert> and a call() function so you can call any method on any object
12:24 < Wombert> very helpful as ez doesn#t allow that in the engine itself ;)
12:25 < Wombert> {call(array($ro, 'getBaseHref'))}
12:25 < Wombert> etc
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13:18 < digitarald> how can i set the content in a view without a template?
13:23 < MikeSeth> digitarald: just return it
13:23 < Wombert> return something?
13:23 < digitarald> string?
13:23 < digitarald> ok
13:23 < Wombert> whatever you like
13:23 < Wombert> strings, objects, bleh
13:23 < MikeSeth> Wombert: yay, I'm working on another Agavi project. This one's gonna be open source.
13:23 < Wombert> depends on what the response does with it
13:23 < digitarald> mine here too
13:23 < Wombert> MikeSeth: coolo
13:24 < digitarald> a project management frontend, stripped down to a minimum
13:25 < MikeSeth> digitarald: god damnit, this is the same thing I'm doing! A bug/task tracker!
13:29 < _cheerios> ... :p
13:32 < digitarald> oh ...
13:32  * digitarald works faster
13:36 < RossC0> :D
13:48 < luke`> i really need to get my hands on some ajax stuff 
13:48 < luke`> how do you recommend learning it?
13:48 < MikeSeth> digitarald: I'm making a XUL frontend
13:52 < digitarald> luke`: http://clientside.cnet.com/wiki/mootorial/07-remote and first http://clientside.cnet.com/wiki/mootorial/00-whatisit
13:53 < digitarald> Ajax is in the end only javascript that fetches data ... so u need maybe: http://blog.mootools.net/2007/6/5/help-i-dont-know-javascript
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14:05 < aogara> hi
14:05 < MikeSeth> look who came back for more! :)
14:18 < aogara> ^^
14:18 < aogara> haha ... later i will
14:18 < aogara> i actually take a look on drupal ... :\
14:18 < aogara> cause of my boss choises
14:19 < aogara> I actually fill sick cause of it *burp*
14:20 < aogara> event on default setting and my full acces user i can't add a product to that damn drupal ecommerce module ><
14:20 < MikeSeth> bring his bitch ass over here
14:21 < aogara> so i'll continue with bad news like thaht for a moment and when i'll come back home i'll take an agave for desert
14:21 < aogara> haha 
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14:38 < digitarald> ecommerce module? *shrug*
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15:10 < CIA-4> david * r2059 /branches/0.11/src/translation/AgaviDateFormatter.class.php: Accept date/time strings as message for date formatter, closes #555
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15:28 < MrJeep> HI
15:28 < MrJeep> morning / afternoon everybody
15:28 < MrJeep> hey wombert, what's up ?
15:29 < Wombert> hai
15:29 < Wombert> back in germany :p
15:29 < ttj> Wow.
15:29 < MrJeep> you went on a trip or something ?
15:30 < Wombert> yeah
15:30 < Wombert> to cluj, romania, for business
15:31 < Wombert> to coordinate things with the dev team of a customer's customer
15:31 < MrJeep> nice :P
15:31 < Wombert> then on to orsova, romania, for two days of vacation... via bucharest
15:31 < MrJeep> something with agavi ?
15:31 < MrJeep> releated to I mean
15:32 < Wombert> yah
15:32 < MrJeep> oh nice :)
15:32 < Wombert> flew to bucharest from cluj, then from there the plan was to take the train to orsova (that's located in the west, at the danube river, across the border to serbia)
15:33 < Wombert> well the flight was late, and I couldn't be bothered to wait six hours for the train (which then needs another five to go there) so I took a cab :>
15:33 < Wombert> that was fun
15:33 < MrJeep> haha
15:34 < Wombert> MrJeep: well it wasn't directly related to agavi. we're currently working as contractors for sevenload.com and they're doing a project for said customer, and that customer has a development team in cluj, where they program a web service we use for the project
15:34 < MrJeep> ok
15:35 < Wombert> and I had to watch over the development process, see if everything is according to spec, have the changes done etc
15:35 < Wombert> and you?
15:35 < Wombert> did you start your new job yet?
15:35 < MrJeep> yeah, I'm here right now
15:35 < MrJeep> it's a nice place
15:36 < Wombert> and you get to be on IRC?
15:36 < Wombert> fantastic :)
15:36 < Wombert> I wish you all the best with that. nice to hear you like it so far
15:36 < MrJeep> yeah, they don't mind using some chatting tools
15:36 < MrJeep> thanks :)
15:36 < MrJeep> and of course
15:36 < MrJeep> I'm using agavi
15:37 < MrJeep> :)
15:37 < Wombert> woot woot!
15:37 < Wombert> :>
15:37 < Wombert> how many programmers do they have
15:37 < MrJeep> 1 ... yet
15:38 < MrJeep> at this point I don't think we need more than one
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15:55 < Wombert> MrJeep: oh
15:55 < Wombert> k :)
15:59 < ttj> http://www.allowe.com/Humor/femalePorn.htm
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16:16 < MrJeep> hahha
16:19 < RossC0> eek
16:20 < RossC0> xmlParseEntityRef: no name
16:22 < RossC0> can FPF ever put a & in an input?
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16:24 < RossC0> Wombert ?
16:24 < MrJeep> it is possible to set slot directly in the output_type.xml file ?
16:24 < Wombert> eh?
16:24 < Wombert> RossC0: yeah it should
16:24 < Wombert> lemme check
16:25 < Wombert> mmh
16:25 < Wombert> can't check :p
16:25 < RossC0> lol
16:28 < RossC0> alright it can!  its my search results not encoding ze &
16:28  * RossC0 slaps his wrist!
16:29 < impl> herro
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17:12 < MikeSeth> http://reddit.com/info/2erse/comments <= :D
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00:12  * Wombert yawns
00:12  * Wombert pokes impl 
00:12 < impl> Heya
00:13 < Wombert> 'sup
00:14 < impl> not much... chilling on vacation
00:14 < Wombert> oh?
00:14 < Wombert> whereabouts
00:14 < impl> Massachusetts
00:14 < impl> Nothing interesting really, just family
00:14 < impl> How was your holiday?
00:14 < Wombert> ahaha you forgot an s
00:14 < Wombert> :>
00:14 < Wombert> it was two days long
00:14 < Wombert> does that sum it up? :p
00:14 < impl> lawl ;p
00:15 < Wombert> awww
00:15 < Wombert> teh apple juice it too cold for my teeth
00:15 < Wombert> awww
00:15 < Wombert> h-h-h-hurs
00:15 < Wombert> +t
00:15 < Wombert> zomg
00:15  * Wombert sighs
00:15 < impl> O_o
00:15 < Wombert> I need to find some decent desks for teh new office
00:15 < Wombert> as for my holiday
00:16 < Wombert> dude, parts of romania look like they're still in the middle ages
00:16 < Wombert> other than that, the people were quite friendly, and I enjoyed it
00:16 < Wombert> the drive back was 18 or so hours
00:16 < Wombert> and I took a cab from bucharest to orsova
00:16 < Wombert> ~400 kilometers :>
00:17 < impl> Do you speak Romanian?
00:17 < Wombert> nah
00:17 < impl> D: that must have been one hell of a tab
00:17 < Wombert> kinda
00:17 < Wombert> but you can understand it a bit if you know some italian/french/english/bleh
00:17 < Wombert> you know latin, right?
00:17 < impl> Yeah
00:18 < impl> I could read a lot of the Romanian in the PHP manual
00:18 < impl> :P
00:18 < Wombert> you'd understand a lot; romanian hasn't changed much from its latin origins
00:18 < Wombert> I can understand the basic ideas of italian and spanish texts, but romanian is a little more difficult
00:23 < Wombert> http://www.autoblog.com/2007/08/12/video-chrysler-might-want-to-reconsider-that-chery-deal/
00:23 < Wombert> lawl
00:23 < Wombert> man they just can't get it right
00:24 < Wombert> even though they have their 50-50 agreements with western car manufacturers and steal all the knowledge
00:26 < impl> That's amazing
00:26 < impl> Jesus that car gets owned
00:27 < Wombert> watch the other one as well
00:27 < Wombert> the brilliance bs6 (fantastic name...)
00:28 < Wombert> my guess is that it requires quite a lot of talent to engineer a car that fails _that_ miserably in a crash test
00:28 < Wombert> you'd rather survive in a 30 year old rabbit
00:29 < Wombert> http://mmpuk.com/Audi_A6_2004_Front_1.wmv
00:29 < Wombert> eww
00:30 < impl> Not Found
00:30 < impl> :s
00:30 < Wombert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7vPH_EqIws
00:30 < Wombert> a really nice car overall that 3 series btw
00:31 < Wombert> I have a c class right now and it's utter crap in comparison
00:31 < impl> I've always liked BMWs
00:32 < Wombert> more chinese awesomeness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Ep30M9wUU&mode=related&search=
00:32 < Wombert> yeah
00:32 < Wombert> they are very very ergonomic compared to mercedes
00:32 < Wombert> well, that's certainly subjective
00:32 < Wombert> but the satnav screen is very high, so you have your eyes on the road
00:32 < Wombert> the controls are much more logical
00:33 < Wombert> the cruise control, for instance, is totally stupid on audis and mercedes
00:33 < Wombert> and that iDrive thing is very ace too since you need just the one knob and nothing else
00:33 < Wombert> and then there's the driving dynamics and the quality of everything
00:34 < Wombert> but that's the upside of driving rentals
00:34 < Wombert> you know which cars are rubbish
00:34 < Wombert> so you don't end up driving the wrong one ;)
00:34 < impl> lol
00:34 < Wombert> err
00:34 < Wombert> buying I mean
00:35 < impl> We have some Pontiac now that we're renting
00:35 < impl> Do you guys have American cars over there?
00:35 < Wombert> oh god
00:35 < Wombert> no, god forbid we don't (mostly)
00:35 < Wombert> we have some
00:35 < Wombert> chrysler 300c
00:36 < Wombert> mmh
00:36 < Wombert> chrysler crossfire
00:36 < Wombert> mmh
00:36 < impl> Chrysler is a German company now though
00:36 < Wombert> not anymore!
00:36 < Wombert> :)
00:36 < impl> oh yeah
00:36 < impl> they sold out
00:36 < impl> forgot about that ;p
00:36 < Wombert> lemme think
00:36 < Wombert> well, seriously, most of the american cars are crap :p
00:36 < Wombert> that's why the General, for instance, is now rebadging european and australian cars a lot
00:37 < impl> General?
00:37 < Wombert> half the saturn lineup are Opel
00:37 < Wombert> GM
00:37 < impl> Oh
00:37 < impl> We don't have Opel
00:37 < Wombert> and they have some holdens (australia) now rebadged as well
00:37 < Wombert> yeah they're sold as saturns 
00:37 < impl> ah, I see what you mean
00:38 < Wombert> I really laughed the other day about the 2008 fordfocus
00:38 < Wombert> the US one I mean
00:38 < impl> why's that?
00:38 < Wombert> it's the old model, but with a really ugly design... no clue why they didn't bring the new euro 07 model over to the states
00:38 < Wombert> I have no idea
00:38 < Wombert> ah
00:38 < Wombert> well
00:38 < Wombert> it's ugly, and the US customers get screwed big time since it's still the old model
00:39 < impl> hmm, we don't like change over here :P
00:39 < Wombert> ahahaha
00:39 < Wombert> let me show you something
00:40 < Wombert> oh god seriously I can't
00:40 < Wombert> it's so ugly
00:40 < Wombert> http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/images/2008focus_reveal/Article_Image_styling.jpg ugly
00:40 < impl> lol
00:41 < impl> That is ugly
00:41 < impl> The 04/05 Focuses were nice
00:42 < Wombert> yeah that's the old euro focus you got
00:42 < Wombert> now they took that platform and made the exterior ugly
00:42 < impl> What's the 08 Euro one look like?
00:42 < Wombert> instead of taking over the new MK2 euro focus
00:42 < Wombert> I'm looking for a photo
00:43 < Wombert> http://www.ford.de/spg/getImage.asp?imageName=SPG_4_31_0_21844.jpg&filename=150307_galerie06_431x202.jpg
00:43 < Wombert> that's a sport version tho
00:43 < impl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2006_Ford_Focus_XR5_Turbo.JPG
00:43 < impl> this one?
00:43 < Wombert> interior is really nice now, the old one looked like a designer was on drugs
00:43 < Wombert> yeah
00:43 < impl> I wonder why the models are so different
00:44 < Wombert> because ford US is run by a bunch of retards
00:44 < Wombert> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Ford_Mondeo_Turnier2007.jpg
00:44 < Wombert> the new mondeo
00:44 < Wombert> like your 500/taurus
00:45 < impl> European cars look so much more awesome than American ones D:
00:45 < Wombert> really, ford europe is making pretty good cars
00:45 < Wombert> quality is really excellent and on a level with VW and all the others in that price segment
00:46 < Wombert> same for ford australia
00:47 < Wombert> in fact, the aussies have sooooo nice cars
00:47 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_VE_Commodore
00:47 < Wombert> ah that's the one
00:48 < Wombert> you get it as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_G8
00:49 < impl> ahh
00:49 < impl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_G6 <-- this is the car we're renting now
00:50 < Wombert> it looks horrible
00:50 < Wombert> but see that
00:50 < Wombert> the platform sharing?
00:50 < Wombert> that's why GM is doing it right
00:50 < Wombert> and Ford is doing it wrong
00:50 < Wombert> they have saab or opel engineer a decent chassis and then they share it inside the company
00:51 < impl> Yeah, I see what you mean
00:52 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Epsilon_platform
00:52 < Wombert> haha
00:52 < Wombert> Control of the Epsilon platform has passed, as of 2005, to GM Europe. Headquartered with Opel in Rüsselsheim, Germany, GM Europe will be responsible for all future Epsilon product decisions other than Saab and Cadillac models.
00:52 < Wombert> One reason for this central "homeroom" of Epsilon development was because of slight differences in the platform. GM assumed that all cars based on the platform were exactly the same underneath. This led Pontiac to approve a G6 convertible, since the 9-3 is available as a convertible. Unbeknownst to GM NA, Saab had changed some of the "points" of the platform when it developed the 9-3 to suit its production line, meaning Pontiac cou
00:52 < Wombert> nice
00:53 < Wombert> good to hear that we programmers aren't the only people on earth with problems like these ;)
00:58 < impl> lol :p
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06:10 < luke`> huomenta
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06:43 < digitarald> Huomenta!
06:47 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:21 < RossC0> huomenta!
07:58 < MikeSeth> huomenta
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08:04 < _cheerios> lo
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08:29 < Whisller> hi
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09:17 < Wombert> ZOMG!
09:17 < Wombert> :>
09:17 < Wombert> I'll need help w/ validators in ~5 minutes
09:17 < Wombert> any volunteers? :p
09:19 < Wombert> specifically exporting of values, including adding new ones to the request data
09:22 < digitarald> simply call export
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09:45 < RossC0> Wombert: ping
09:45 < RossC0> still need help?
09:45 < Wombert> digitarald: no need to do anything else in the validator?
09:45 < Wombert> or define that export thing in the xml or so?
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09:53 < digitarald> no, u can define the name in the export method or in xml
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10:42 < luke`> how do I get fpf to repopulate a form when the form action= is different than the current url?
10:50 < digitarald> via id
10:59 < v-dogg> $this->context->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', array('form_id'=>$parameterholder), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
11:01 < Wombert_> you can pre-populate several forms that way
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11:02 < Wombert> btw
11:02 < Wombert> I thought about two things
11:02 < Wombert> a) allow "true" again for "populate"
11:02 < Wombert> b) allow array('form_id' => true)
11:02 < Wombert> sounds good?
11:02 < Wombert> both take the data in the current global request
11:03 < v-dogg> the firm owner just ok'd my conference trip 
11:03  * Wombert hugs v-dogg 
11:03 < v-dogg> which is nice as I have already booked & payed the flights :)
11:03 < Wombert> very
11:03 < Wombert> :)
11:04 < v-dogg> the organizer hasn't replied to my registration mail
11:05 < v-dogg> and I didn't remember to book the hotel yet
11:06 < digitarald> Wombert: I agree on 1 and 2)
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11:59 < CIA-4> david * r2060 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php: Allow true as value for "org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter"/"populate" to force use of global request data, closes #556
12:14 < MikeSeth> mmmp
12:14 < MikeSeth> FPF can't handle objects as data source, can it?
12:43 < Wombert> nope
12:43 < Wombert> could add that it calls __toString() maybe...
12:44 < RossC0> hmm
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13:42 < MikeSeth> nah, I'll just convert it explicitlyu
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14:18 < MikeSeth> Wombert: you zere sire?
14:18 < Wombert> yah
14:18 < MikeSeth> Wombert: how do I cause the FPF to fill a form that has inputs named like foo[bar]?
14:19 < MikeSeth> array in array?
14:19 < Wombert> sure,just an array
14:19 < Wombert> 'foo' => array('bar' => 'value')
14:20 < MikeSeth> 		$this->context->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', array('item' => $item->toArray()), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
14:20 < MikeSeth> like this?
14:20 < MikeSeth> b
14:21 < MikeSeth> <form action="<?php print $ro->gen('admin.news.edit'); ?>" method="POST" id="item">
14:21 < MikeSeth> 	 <input type="hidden" name="id"/>
14:21 < MikeSeth> won't work :(
14:21 < MikeSeth> doesnt file
14:21 < MikeSeth> 	 Title: <input type="text" name="item[title]"><br/>
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14:22 < _cheerios> wouldnt you need to nest it futher? havent tried
14:23 < Wombert> no, MikeSeth 
14:23 < MikeSeth> the reason I'm doing this is because I only want the form parameters to be retrieved in the action's write method 
14:23 < Wombert> it must be a parameter holder
14:23 < _cheerios> will save me a bit of writing if i can prepop forms nicer
14:23 < MikeSeth> Wombert: oh. Okay.
14:23 < Wombert> and
14:23 < Wombert> okay okay
14:23 < Wombert> first things first
14:24 < Wombert> a) don't populate a form in the action or I have to beat you with a sharp object
14:24 < MikeSeth> it just occured to me that the outermost array key is the ID for the form
14:24 < Wombert> b) you don't have to populate by form ID
14:24 < MikeSeth> it's just a random piece of code
14:24 < Wombert> c) you want to populate on _post_ ?
14:24 < MikeSeth> no.
14:24 < Wombert> on get, right?
14:24 < Wombert> so the edit form is populated with values
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14:25 < _cheerios> need both, if errors.
14:25 < Wombert> no!
14:25 < Wombert> on errors, you want the auto population FPF does for you on POST (if you have it configured that way)
14:26 < _cheerios> ah, yeah, i was doing that cardinal sin you mentioned a few lines above when I ran into that problem :)
14:26 < Wombert> that's also why you need an InputView (to show the form the first time, on GET) and an ErrorView (which uses the Input template, but does not populate the form with the values from the existing item, and doesother error stuff or something)
14:26 < MikeSeth> thats the exact layout I have
14:26 < MikeSeth> i've been coding for 10 hours straight
14:27 < MikeSeth> my mind doesnt work anymore
14:27 < Wombert> okay, and now in your input view, that is shown when a user clicks edit, and the page is shown via GET, you want the form filled with the current values, right-o?
14:27 < MikeSeth> yipee
14:28 < Wombert> $this->context->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', new AgaviParameterHolder(array('item' => $item->toArray())), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
14:28 < Wombert> that'll do the trick, if the form's action="..." is identical to the current URL
14:28 < MikeSeth> <3
14:28 < Wombert> but!
14:28 < Wombert> relying on that mightbe dangerous
14:28 < Wombert> I see you have a hidden field with the ID
14:29 < Wombert> (not sure why, it should be inthe URL anyway)
14:29 < MikeSeth> yes. the form is also used for creating the items.
14:29 < Wombert> then you don't need teh field at all
14:29 < Wombert> but
14:29 < MikeSeth> I have two separate routes pointing to the edit action, one is create and one is edit
14:29 < Wombert> consider I call /products/819273/edit
14:29 < Wombert> all fine
14:29 < Wombert> now consider I call /products/819273/edit?lolz
14:29 < Wombert> url is different
14:29 < Wombert> no populationis done
14:29 < Wombert> hidden id field not filled
14:30 < Wombert> I could break something maybe
14:30 < MikeSeth> point taken. but then everything else aint filled either.
14:30 < Wombert> yes, MikeSeth, but either way, you don'tneed the ID
14:30 < Wombert> as a hidden field
14:30 < MikeSeth> okay. Yer right. Lemme adjust the route.
14:30 < Wombert> as it's either in the URL, or not necessary (when you create)
14:30 < Wombert> like /products/new
14:30 < Wombert> and /products/912736/edit
14:31 < MikeSeth> oh uhm
14:31 < MikeSeth> crap
14:31 < MikeSeth> then I need to export the item itself into the template
14:31 < MikeSeth> if FPF doesn't fill the ID field, I have to get it from somewhere
14:32 < MikeSeth> which is the reason I did it that way in the first place.
14:32 < MikeSeth> ah. wait.
14:32  * MikeSeth smacks $this
14:34 < MikeSeth> indeed, sire, you are right
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19:10 < _cheerios> whee
19:16 < _cheerios> "Create goggles for dogs and sell them online? Boy, this IS the dumbest idea for a business. How in the world did they manage to become millionaires and have shops all over the world with that one? Beyond me." :p
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07:04 < _cheerios> huomenta!
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07:27 < RossC0> huomenta!
07:31 < _cheerios> huomenta RossC0, what's cooking?
07:36 < RossC0> well lots of css and UI stuff
07:36  * RossC0 thinks having a designer in on the whole build process would have saved pain!
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11:40 < E_mE> huomenta!
12:22 < RossC0> Hola!
12:24 < E_mE> how are you RossC0?
12:24 < E_mE> recieved any more interesting e-mails >:D
12:24 < E_mE> on jobs that is
12:25 < RossC0> nah - seemed to be some cornish jobs about thou
12:25 < RossC0> any luck with them?
12:26 < E_mE> there not web developing... but the way my company is going i think i shall have to start looking at other places 
12:26 < E_mE> but IT jobs are all so damn specific
12:58 < _cheerios> OPEN SOURCE YOUR JOB!
12:58 < _cheerios> duh.
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13:05 < _cheerios> btw. never trust someone with rastas to be able to operate a fax
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13:35 < RossC1> zomg
13:35  * RossC1 kicks m$
13:35 < RossC1> installing Virtual PC kicked me off ze web
13:36 < RossC1> and I was half way through downloading the ie6 image!
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14:05 < MrJeep> hi
14:06 < MrJeep> is the FPF known for not parsing documents with fields named foo[] ?
14:08 < v-dogg> no
14:09 < MrJeep> ok so I did something wrong :P
14:11 < MrJeep> 	<input id="fe-interest-10" name="interests[]" type="checkbox" value="10" />
14:11 < MrJeep> 							<label for="fe-interest-10">Economy</label>
14:11 < MrJeep> 							<div class="clear"></div>
14:11 < MrJeep> 						</li>
14:11 < MrJeep> Line 327: xmlParseEntityRef: no name
14:12 < MrJeep> anyone know what the error could be ?
14:16 < SunboX> what happens if you do name="interests[0]" and so on?
14:16 < MrJeep> i think I might have it
14:17 < SunboX> seems there is an element without a name?
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14:18 < MrJeep> was a & problem in the label
14:18 < SunboX> ah, k
14:18 < MrJeep> I think i didn't get the right line on the log
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15:15 < Wombert> hai
15:15 < JamieWolf> fisch
15:16 < impl> ghoti
15:17 < v-dogg> morjens
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15:48 < splatch`> hello
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16:11 < Zibi_> hi
16:11 < Zibi_> anybody remember way to get current route from agavi routing?
16:11 < Zibi_> i mean i want to know if im in admin.search etc
16:12 < Zibi_> or if there is a way to do it
16:13 < v-dogg> $request->getAttribute('matched_routes', array(), 'org.agavi.routing')
16:13 < v-dogg> remember, there can be more than one matched route
16:14 < v-dogg> so use in_array() or something
16:17 < Zibi_> ok
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16:33 < Zibi_> ok another question then ;)
16:33 < Zibi_> is there any way to find out what slots where used in template
16:33 < Zibi_> i mean what address or what prefix they had
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16:46 < Wombert> Zibi_: elaborate please
16:46 < Zibi_> im in filter
16:46 < Zibi_> and i want to know if in view somebody set slots and what slots
16:47 < Wombert> yes
16:47 < Wombert> the filter has the execution container
16:47 < Wombert> from the container, you can get the view instance
16:47 < Wombert> the view has layers
16:47 < Wombert> each layer has slots
16:48 < Wombert> is that what you need? ;)
16:49 < Zibi_> instance = agavi action?
16:54 < Wombert> no
16:54 < Wombert> the view instance
16:54 < Wombert> the object
16:54 < Wombert> you know?
16:54 < Wombert> :p
16:55 < Wombert> $allSlots = array();
16:55 < Wombert> foreach($container->getViewInstance()->getLayers() as $layer) {
16:55 < Wombert>   $slots += $layer->getSlots();
16:55 < Wombert> }
16:55 < Wombert> remember that this only works in action filters
16:55 < Wombert> (reliably)
16:57 < Zibi_> hmm getViewInstance in AgaviExecutionContainer?
16:58 < Zibi_> i will try to find it tommorow
16:58 < Zibi_> now its 18.00
16:58 < Zibi_> time to go home =]
16:59 < Zibi_> thanx and bye! 
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17:43 < MrJeep> hum
17:43 < MrJeep> still having problem with the FPF
17:44 < MrJeep> Line 270: xmlParseEntityRef: no name
17:44 < MrJeep> that's the line 270
17:44 < MrJeep> 										<label for="fe-interest-41" class="inline">Cultural</label>
17:45 < MrJeep> ahh nevermind, i've got it
17:45 < MrJeep> the fpf line error line is not very accurate :P
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18:00 < Wombert> MrJeep: it is!
18:00 < Wombert> enable logging!
18:00 < Wombert> FPF will log the error, and the parsed document, where you can easily find the line in question
18:03 < _cheerios> straight from agavi sourz! echo error->rand() line: rand() file: rand()!
18:03 < _cheerios> beware of the Mafia, Wombert!
18:04 < Wombert> _cheerios: woot?
18:04 < Wombert> pah
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18:35 < splatch`> Wombert: are you there?
18:35 < Wombert> ZOMG
18:35 < Wombert> TOP GEAR EQUIPMENT STORAGE BURNED DOWN
18:35 < Wombert> ZOMG ZOMG
18:36 < splatch`> Wombert: does any presenter from top gear dead?
18:36 < Wombert> no, just equipment :p
18:36 < Wombert> but it's still bad
18:36 < Wombert> and yes, I'm here
18:36 < Wombert> what's up
18:37 < splatch`> Wombert: why propel isn't developed more
18:37 < Wombert> it is!?
18:38 < v-dogg> http://propel.phpdb.org/trac/timeline
18:38 < splatch`> blah, one commit in code
18:39 < Wombert> yeah
18:39 < Wombert> well
18:39 < Wombert> we're all busy
18:40 < splatch`> ;(
18:40 < splatch`> a some time ago i started work with hibernate
18:40 < splatch`> it's great tool
18:41 < splatch`> but they've problems like all ORM's
18:41 < splatch`> they have HQL - this is cool - you can get objects by custom query
18:41 < splatch`> plus exntended inheritance models
18:42 < Wombert> yeah hibernate is really cool
18:42 < splatch`> propel can be better! :)
18:43 < splatch`> the great Hibernate feature is many-to many mappings
18:44 < splatch`> you must define only one element
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18:44 < splatch`> in xml mapping
18:44 < splatch`> hibernate will get objects using table
18:44 < splatch`> etc etc
18:45 < splatch`> that's really good
18:45 < splatch`> you don't must do ManyToManyPeer::doSelectJoinAll
18:50 < splatch`> btw. i trying to do some graphical editor
18:50 < splatch`> or diagram
18:50 < splatch`> with validator dependdencies
18:51 < Wombert> oO
18:52 < splatch`> http://springide.org/project/attachment/wiki/WebFlowEditorUsage/web_flow_support_3.png?format=raw
18:52 < splatch`> example diagram from spring ide
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19:27 < _cheerios> *burp* :7
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20:26 < v-dogg> whoaa... had to make some modifications to a project built on rev 893 
20:26 < v-dogg> deadline: sunday
20:26 < v-dogg> work to do: heaps
20:27 < Wombert> 893?
20:27 < Wombert> dude
20:27 < v-dogg> am I worried: no, because, hey, it's agavi :)
20:27 < v-dogg> s/had/have
20:27 < Wombert> dude that's years before 0.11 rc1!
20:28 < v-dogg> yup
20:28 < v-dogg> pretty awesome, ain't it :)
20:28 < Wombert> not really
20:29 < v-dogg> don't worry mate, I'll upgrade it to the cutting edge first thing tomorrow :)
20:29 < v-dogg> or bleeding edge
20:29 < v-dogg> or, well, some edge anyway :)
20:30 < Wombert> this is gonna break, seirously
20:30 < Wombert> we did not even have exec containers back then
20:30 < Wombert> that means all view and action signatures changed
20:30 < Wombert> not to mention the new request data stuff (or did we have that)
20:30 < Wombert> and, of course, layers
20:31  * Wombert hugs teh API stability we have now
20:31 < ttj> We have API stability?
20:31 < v-dogg> I'm still not worried, stop worrying me! :)
20:31 < Wombert> yes, since rc2 or rc3
20:32 < ttj> BTW, jogging rocks so much.
20:32 < Wombert> really
20:33 < ttj> Yeah. You know how if your hand hurts, what you have to do is drop an anvil on your toe. Then, in relative terms, your hand is better off.
20:33 < ttj> Sort of similar with jogging.
20:33 < v-dogg> haha, this beast uses my custom routing because we had issues with CGI then :D
20:33 < ttj> Think you feel good now? Try killing yourself by jogging! You'll feel excellent about 30 minutes after the jog. Relatively speaking.
20:36 < v-dogg> it's not a huge project: 29 actions, 38 views and a few model
20:37 < v-dogg> but now I'm going to move my "office" upstairs and the baby can have this room
20:37 < Wombert> oh
20:38 < v-dogg> till tomorrow, night
20:38 < Wombert> nn
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05:42 < _cheerios> huomenta
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07:13 < RossC0> huomenta!
07:14 < _cheerios> hello hello
07:31  * RossC0 waves
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08:37 < E_mE> huomenta!! 
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09:12 < Whisller> Hi
09:16 < E_mE> morning
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10:56 < Wombert> huomenta
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10:57 < RossC0> heh Wombert
10:57 < RossC0> you see my patch
10:57 < Wombert> no
10:57 < Wombert> but
10:57 < Wombert> I see dead people
10:57 < Wombert> zomg
10:58 < RossC0> ZOMG noo
10:58 < _cheerios> :p
10:58  * RossC0 checks to make sure he's still alive
10:59 < RossC0> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/557
10:59 < RossC0> :D
10:59 < Wombert> woot?
10:59  * Wombert scratches head
10:59 < RossC0> woot or what?
10:59 < Wombert> whoa dude
11:00 < Wombert> I was sure I had done that already
11:00 < Wombert> oO
11:00 < Wombert> my bad
11:00  * Wombert hugs RossC0 
11:00  * RossC0 hugs Wombert
11:00 < Wombert> pass that on to zibi, will you
11:00 < RossC0> yeah - been looking into it this morning
11:00 < Wombert> he should have said "zomg lol noob it's not there get skillz kthxbai"
11:01 < _cheerios> we don't get many of those around here
11:03 < _cheerios> i've been bored since the weekend. must've been all that drinking on saturday. :|
11:07 < E_mA> has anyone seen the comedy "Drawn Together"?
11:08 < _cheerios> imdb tells me that it's a cartoon tv-series
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11:10 < E_mA> _cheerios: its a very good one.. a paraody of big brother
11:11 < E_mA> very violent and extremely crude
11:11 < E_mA> more of an adult cartoon id say
11:12 < _cheerios> i don't watch those big brother shows, so this wouldn't be for me
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11:14 < Zibi_> hi
11:14 < Zibi_> i have problem with validate function
11:15 < Zibi_> i enter validate function in action and try to clear all errors
11:15 < Zibi_> i call validation manager clear() function
11:15 < Zibi_> hasErrors returns false
11:16 < Zibi_> but im still redirected to error view
11:16 < Zibi_> how i can deleted all errros?
11:17 < Zibi_> *delete
11:17 < Zibi_> *errors
11:20 < RossC0> there is also a XML validator?
11:20 < Wombert> can you show the codeß
11:20 < Wombert> ?
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11:23 < Zibi_> http://pastie.caboo.se/88208
11:24  * Wombert slaps RossC0
11:25 < Wombert> the phpdoc blocks are all wrong :p
11:26 < Wombert> and TOO MUCH WHITESPACE ZOMG!
11:27 < CIA-4> david * r2061 /branches/0.11/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Make view instance avaliable in the execution container, closes #557, thanks Ross
11:31 < v-dogg> uuu... feck feck feck... I totally underestimated the amount of work I have to do
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11:31 < v-dogg> I don't have time to upgrade agavi. I just have to go with rev. 893
11:32 < v-dogg> and sqlite2 and creole (no propel) :(
11:32 < v-dogg> a long weekend ahead
11:32 < Wombert> :<
11:32  * Wombert hugs v-dogg 
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11:42 < SunboX> hi, i made a validator for propel... maybe someone needs it, or includes it into agavi
11:42 < SunboX> http://p.caboo.se/private/alqflcydz52o1mlpjw
11:42 < SunboX> and here an examble xml file
11:42 < SunboX> http://p.caboo.se/private/cjnj1ra6zafrlinwmo
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11:46 < RossC0> Wombert I just copied and pasted...
11:47 < RossC0> not guilty!
12:19 < luke`> huomenta
12:23 < MikeSeth> Attention everyone.
12:24 < MikeSeth> DOCTRINE KICKS ASS.
12:24 < MikeSeth> IT FITS AGAVI LIKE A STRAPON ON A BEAR.
12:24 < MikeSeth> everyone use it :D
12:26 < luke`> really?
12:26 < luke`> how?
12:26 < MikeSeth> yep.
12:26 < MikeSeth> well for one, it allows you shit like this
12:27 < MikeSeth> $users = $db->select('users')->where('id = 5'); print $users[1]->name;
12:27 < MikeSeth> :D
12:27 < luke`> what about the table name
12:28 < luke`> ?
12:28 < MikeSeth> you can set any you like
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12:29 < MikeSeth> also, it's WAY easier to setup in Agavi than propel
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12:29 < MikeSeth> 1) download Ross's BaseDoctrineDatabase and fix libs_dir to lib_dir (typo in source), add to autoload
12:29 < MikeSeth> 2) check out doctrine trunk/lib to your app/lib/doctrine (or set svn:externals like I do)
12:30 < MikeSeth> 3) change databases.xml
12:30 < MikeSeth> 4) that's it
12:33 < luke`> cool
12:33 < luke`> where do I get BaseDoctrineDatabase?
12:33 < MikeSeth> search the trac for doctrine
12:33 < MikeSeth> it's #384 IIRC, not sure
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12:35 < MrJeep> good morning world
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12:36 < luke`> #381
12:36 < _cheerios> HELLO MIKE
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12:55 < RossC0> 12:29 < MikeSeth> 1) download Ross's BaseDoctrineDatabase and fix libs_dir to lib_dir (typo in source), add to autoload 12:29 < MikeSeth> 2) check out doctrine trunk/lib to your app/lib/doctrine (or set svn:externals like I do) 12:30 < MikeSeth> 3) change databases.xml 12:30 < MikeSeth> 4) that's it
12:55 < RossC0> dam no line spaces
12:55 < _cheerios> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/381
12:56 < RossC0> 1) put all your dependencies in: /libs i.e. agavi, doctrine, ezcomponents etc..
12:58 < RossC0> 2) add the core libs dir path in app/config.php
12:59 < RossC0> 3) your app is packaged with all dependencies - and easy to deploy, copy etc... :D
12:59 < MikeSeth> RossC0: yeah, btw. Another small mistake in the ticket, you should check out $doctrine/trunk/lib, not trunk/
12:59 < MikeSeth> shit goes awry if you dont
13:00 < RossC0> ah yes
13:02 < RossC0> MikeSeth does it make any difference?
13:02 < MikeSeth> yeah. in one case it works, in the other it doesn't ;)
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13:02 < RossC0> you just need to point /lib/doctrine/ instead of just doctrine ..
13:03 < RossC0> I dont think I mention svn check out at all..
13:03 < MikeSeth> actually, the *right* thing would be to check out the whole of doctrine into app/lib/vendor/doctrine, and symlink app/lib/vendor/doctrine/lib to app/lib/doctrine
13:03 < _cheerios> symlink :/
13:03 < MikeSeth> (if target OS supports symlinks :D)
13:03 < RossC0> MikeSeth - No
13:03 < RossC0> put libs outside app
13:04 < MikeSeth> RossC0: 3rd party libs shouldn't be lying around
13:04 < RossC0> they should be packaged with the whole app
13:04 < MikeSeth> I normally put them in app/lib/vendor
13:04 < RossC0> not just agavi parts
13:04 < MikeSeth> then again, by deployment method is SVN
13:04 < MikeSeth> s/by/my/
13:05 < RossC0> sure - it makes little odds I suppose, I just prefer to keep them out of the agavi /app/ directory
13:05 < RossC0> as thats all agavi code
13:05 < RossC0> all so my deployment is SVN - using capistrano 2 to deploy - its sweet :D 
13:06 < _cheerios> interesting level of discussion is on level of naming "namespaces" namespaces or packages :p
13:06 < _cheerios> ah, nice. i've yeat to try out capistrano
13:07 < MikeSeth> heard good things about it, but I don't actually -need- deployment tools, everything I write is proprietary adn under my control
13:07 < RossC0> actually when deploying to the external servers it svn exports locally gzips and then scp's and ungzip's its friggin awesome 
13:07 < MikeSeth> I'll try it out for my bug tracker project
13:07 < _cheerios> did you base it on that cap2 source code you delicioused, RossC0 ?
13:08 < RossC0> _cheerios: partly - just looked at some recipes so I can easily setup deployment variables for internal and external sites.
13:10 < RossC0> MikeSeth its cool very similar to Rake - but sometimes annoyingly not the same.
13:12 < MikeSeth> RossC0: how do I fetch a single Doctrine object?
13:23 < SunboX> how do i get the route when securityfilter does an redirect?
13:23 < SunboX> i want to save the route in SecuritySuccessView
13:23 < SunboX> the route that forces the security error
13:24 < Wombert> [14:27] MikeSeth: $users = $db->select('users')->where('id = 5'); print $users[1]->name;
13:24 < Wombert> err
13:24 < Wombert> hang on a second
13:24 < SunboX> k
13:24 < Wombert> is that an iterator/array access thing?
13:24 < Wombert> that performs lazy loading?
13:25 < Wombert> I assume it will not perform a select on select() and then filter by where() in userland, right?
13:27 < RossC0> MikeSeth: have updated the ticket and instructions - thanks for the prompting!
13:27 < RossC0> MikeSeth: you mean a single Record?
13:27 < RossC0> Wombert: thats the DQL query builder and yes it performs lazy loading
13:28 < Wombert> aww snap
13:28 < Wombert> that's really ace I have to say
13:28 < RossC0> You can also pragmatically do things like addWhere() addFrom() etc.. which is cool when building queries
13:29 < RossC0> but there is the ->execute() method thats missing!
13:29 < Wombert> and on first access it runs it?
13:29 < Wombert> aha
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13:29 < trophaeum> Wombert, yea, it has some fun things amongst it :)
13:29 < Wombert> ze trophaeum is alive!
13:29 < trophaeum> Wombert, not for too long, thursday night 11:30 and iv gotta be up at 6 for work but yea im alive
13:30 < Wombert> eh?
13:30 < trophaeum> spent the night hacking up some wordpress installs i have
13:30 < Wombert> you're 16 hours ahead?
13:30 < Wombert> wtf
13:30 < Wombert> and
13:30 < Wombert> thursday?
13:30 < Wombert> wtf
13:30 < Wombert> is it thursday
13:31 < Wombert> zomg!
13:31 < trophaeum> it is here!
13:31 < Wombert> no wait
13:31 < trophaeum> gmt+10
13:31 < Wombert> then you are
13:31 < Wombert> mhm
13:31 < Wombert> 10 hours
13:31 < Wombert> yah
13:31 < Wombert> no actually that's eight then
13:31 < Wombert> whatever
13:31 < Wombert> you should head to bed
13:31 < trophaeum> u cant count?
13:31 < Wombert> no
13:31 < Wombert> headache, yknow
13:31 < Wombert> btw
13:31 < trophaeum> yea, i should, iv got a headache tho so no sleep yet
13:31 < Wombert> MT4 is out
13:31 < Wombert> it's free
13:32 < Wombert> I'll try it for my blog
13:32 < Wombert> wordpress is just too annoying
13:32 < Wombert> you have one, too
13:32 < Wombert> welcome to the club
13:32 < trophaeum> yea, iv gotta install a security update on about 10 domains
13:32 < trophaeum> fucking wp
13:32 < trophaeum> i like s9y personally
13:32 < trophaeum> good security track record (relative)
13:33 < MikeSeth> RossC0: yes. nevermind, $query('foo')->getFirst() ;D
13:33 < MikeSeth> er, query, not $query
13:33 < Wombert> mh
13:33 < Wombert> wouldn't that select all records though?
13:33 < MikeSeth> Wombert: have you looked at Doctrine?
13:33 < Wombert> granted, it probably hydrates them on the fly, but still
13:33 < Wombert> MikeSeth: n
13:33 < Wombert> o
13:34 < MikeSeth> Wombert: it would, but its intended for single selects anyway
13:34 < Wombert> well
13:34 < Wombert> looked
13:34 < Wombert> never used
13:34 < MikeSeth> Wombert: you really should. It's an ideal fit.
13:34 < trophaeum> MikeSeth, i havnt used it much either but i can see it has things that propel 1.x doesnt that would be nice
13:34 < trophaeum> propel 2.x on the other hand :)
13:35 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: got collections that support array interfaces? saveable ones? :D
13:35 < trophaeum> MikeSeth, 'saveable'?
13:35 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: yep
13:35 < MikeSeth> you could save a whole collection of items
13:35 < trophaeum> serialize/unserialize?
13:35 < MikeSeth> $items = $db->query('News');
13:35 < MikeSeth> $items->save()
13:35 < MikeSeth> :D
13:36 < MikeSeth> and then of course, print $items[0]->title etc
13:36 < trophaeum> and save saves what? all altered records in that set? or ?
13:36 < MikeSeth> Not sure. Will get around to poke it in a moment.
13:36 < RossC0> $items->subRecord[] = $record1;
13:36 < RossC0> $items->save();
13:37 < RossC0> saves all ze subRecords too
13:37 < MikeSeth> !!!!!!
13:37 < MikeSeth> RossC0: then it totally solves most of routine database problems
13:38 < trophaeum> either im blind or this headache is stopping me from seeing things that propel doesnt already have, correct me if im wrong, calling save() on any object either saves all of the altered records or saves that record plus all foreign objects associated too?
13:40 < MikeSeth> RossC0: now that I think of it, it makes it possible to create an Ajax editor for multiple items and save all the changes in one stroke
13:40 < MikeSeth> add hard constraints and transactions.. wooo this is awesome
13:40 < RossC0> The event listeners are cool too
13:41 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, $db->select('users')->where('id = 5'); << what do you add to only select columns a+b ?
13:41 < trophaeum> _cheerios, from memory it supports both a, b and a+b
13:41 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: you're not supposed to do it like that actually. select() is the equivalent of prepare AFAIK. Anyhow, $db->select('foo,bar')->from('users')->where('age > 16') etc
13:42 < _cheerios> i had some queries that took hundreds of megs when using SELECT * ...
13:42 < _cheerios> needed to narrow it down some :)
13:42 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: I believe you can do the regular SQL expressions in select(), eg select('foo, bar, count(*)') etc
13:42 < RossC0> I have a record that has may sub elements - the sub elements are dependant on the parent record type.  So if the type changes I scrub all the sub elements
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13:43 < _cheerios> k, thanks
13:43 < RossC0> the listener is apart of the Record - so I just check if the field has been modified on the preSave i.e.  if (array_key_exists('typel', $this->getModified())) { //delete all the sub Elements
13:43 < RossC0> man it can be quite nice at times
13:44 < MikeSeth> RossC0: which is why I say it fits like a glove to the type of tasks one typically performs with Agavi
13:44 < RossC0> yup
13:44 < trophaeum> if anyone has a smallish project that works with doctrine they are willing to send my way let me know, id like to know more about it but really dont have the time to spend learning it properly
13:45 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: I will have one working soon
13:46 < trophaeum> MikeSeth, pick me pick me
13:46 < RossC0> lol
13:48 < _cheerios> ...and there was more spam!
13:50 < RossC0> http://pastie.caboo.se/88208
13:51 < RossC0> does  $this->container->getValidationManager()->clear(); remove any XML validator errors?
13:57 < Wombert> let me see
13:58 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/trunk/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php#L542 there
13:58 < Wombert> and 552
13:58 < Wombert> that's why it goes to the error view
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14:01 < Wombert> it seems that Zibi_ is doing something odd anyway
14:02 < Wombert> if validation failed, then I guess it's a good idea to go to the error view ;)
14:02 < Wombert> you can overwrite handleErorr() tho if you like
14:03 < RossC0> Wombert: sure
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14:58 < _cheerios> "Man accused of sexually assaulting a teen age boy on cruise ship. Man jumps overboard. Boy admits he made it up." pld
15:03 < Wombert> lawl
15:06  * RossC0 looks round to see whos got a puddle at their feet
15:07 < ttj> Pwned.
15:16 < splatch`> oi! :)
15:16 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: yay @ reddit
15:17 < _cheerios> "A loving ode to the penis."
15:17 < _cheerios> heh @ rotten tomatoes review
15:17 < _cheerios> http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superbad/
15:18 < v-dogg> how did one access input parameters in validate() in the old days?
15:20 < _cheerios> we already refer to "old days" with Agavi?
15:20 < v-dogg> sure we do :)
15:21 < v-dogg> rev. 893 here \o/
15:21 < MikeSeth> 893?! isnt that like 0.10.x?
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15:29 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: yup
15:33 < _cheerios> <hippy> stick to the classics, maaan! </hippy>
15:37 < RossC0> man Zibi_ is rockin today - hopefully there will be some awesomeness released soon :D
15:44 < Wombert> <:
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16:27 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, is the import script on Doctrine wiki supposed to work?
16:30 < _cheerios> for me it fails lazy loading itself (import)
16:30 < RossC0> _cheerios: within Agavi?
16:31 < _cheerios> no, the example script from docs
16:31 < RossC0> ah ok
16:31 < _cheerios> http://www.phpdoctrine.net/doctrine/manual/new/?one-page=1#getting-started:working-with-existing-databases:making-the-first-import
16:31 < _cheerios> not very uncommon that docs are outdated even when they're online ;)
16:35 < RossC0> _cheerios: #doctrine
16:35 < RossC0> ;)
16:41 < _cheerios> looking at sources ze aliens that made this software have decided to call it impRt
16:43 < _cheerios> but im only greeted by a fatal error next
16:44 < RossC0> ah thats because import is a reserved word in php6
16:44 < RossC0> that got changed yesterday
16:44 < RossC0> sorry
16:44 < RossC0> should have remembered
16:44 < RossC0> ok g2g
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16:45 < _cheerios> seems they forgot to change the filenames with it
16:51 < _cheerios> atleast took me less than the hours going thru outdated Propel docs...
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18:47 < _cheerios> hmm.. why does Doctrine fail to load when Smarty is added to the mix
18:47 < splatch`> _cheerios: so don't use smarty :)
18:48 < _cheerios> nothing better out there, it'll do for now
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19:16 < _cheerios> seems there is a new contender written in C http://codelemur.wordpress.com/2007/08/10/php-templating-celebrity-deathmatch/
19:18 < _cheerios> http://alexeyrybak.com/blitz/blitz_en.html
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19:47 < SunboX> hi, i made a validator for propel... maybe someone needs it, or includes it into agavi
19:47 < SunboX> http://p.caboo.se/private/alqflcydz52o1mlpjw
19:47 < SunboX> and here an examble xml file
19:47 < SunboX> http://p.caboo.se/private/cjnj1ra6zafrlinwmo
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20:04 < _cheerios> dejavu
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20:34 < _cheerios> doctrine logo http://www.phpdoctrine.net/trac/browser/trunk/images/doctrine_logo_prop_prev6.png?rev=2253 NOT BAD!
20:35 < digitarald> are they still discussing
20:35 < digitarald> starts to look better
20:35 < digitarald> whats that sign ... chinese for doctrine?
20:43 < _cheerios> add-something-japanese-so-we-look-cool
20:52 < digitarald> i should make my logo also in asian style
20:52 < digitarald> great idea
20:54 < _cheerios> don't forget skimpy clad asian school girls
20:55 < v-dogg> and tentacle porn
20:57 < _cheerios> i've been so down due lack of tentacle porn
20:57 < _cheerios> it's like a day without vitamins
21:06 < splatch`> hello
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21:29 < Wombert> laaawl
21:29  * Wombert hugs v-dogg 
21:29 < impl> link
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22:06 < v-dogg> ooh fuck it, I _have_ to upgrade to the latest agavi
22:06 < v-dogg> the validation system was just too retarded back in the old days
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22:58 < v-dogg> mmmhh.. RC5 is heaven
23:08 < v-dogg> hmm? Warning: preg_match() expects parameter 2 to be string, array given in C:\....AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php on line 128
23:11 < impl> 128:         if(preg_match('/^<\?xml[^\?]*\?>/', $output)) {
23:12 < impl> $output = $response->getContent()
23:12 < impl> are you not returning a string from Response?
23:13 < v-dogg> ah, thanks
23:14 < v-dogg> I'm porting old code and you used to forward with "return array('module', 'action')"
23:14 < impl> ah
23:14 < impl> indeed
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05:23 < Arme[N]> oops
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05:28 < impl> lol
05:28 < Arme[N]> :)
05:28 < Arme[N]> Humenta!
05:29 -!- impl changed the topic of #agavi to: welcome to #agavi :: latest: 0.11RC5 :: http://agavi.org :: http://trac.agavi.org/milestone/0.11 :: want SVN? http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 (rate, stack, review and give kudos!) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: we're looking for documentation contributors :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: HUOMENTA!
05:29 < impl> hellos
05:30 -!- Arme[N] changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to OSC :: latest: SVN :: http://opensourceclub.org :: http://osc-dev.opensourceclub.org :: want SVN? https://osccms.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/osccms/trunk/ :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently
05:30 < Arme[N]> clear
05:30 < Arme[N]> sit, whats wrong with me today!
05:31 < Arme[N]> +h
05:33 < impl> D:
05:33 -!- impl changed the topic of #agavi to: welcome to #agavi :: latest: 0.11RC5 :: http://agavi.org :: http://trac.agavi.org/milestone/0.11 :: want SVN? http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 (rate, stack, review and give kudos!) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: we're looking for documentation contributors :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: HUOMENTA!
05:33 < impl> It's okay
05:33 < Arme[N]>           http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 (rate, stack, review and give kudos!) :: have a question? Just ask, and wait
05:33 < Arme[N]>           patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: we're looking for documentation contributors :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: HUOMENTA!
05:33 < impl> We all have these days :P
05:33 < Arme[N]> :P
05:33 < Arme[N]> better I get some rest. later
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07:40 < RossC0> ohuomenta!
07:41 < RossC0> -o
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08:04 < RossC0> heh MikeSeth you know I was talking about Capistrano sometimes being annoying in that it sometimes deviates too far from Rake
08:04 < RossC0> someone else thought so: http://rubyhitsquad.com/Ruby_Hit_Squad.html
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08:47 < RossC0> hmm if someone does a search: for wibble/wobble - I redirect the posted form and go to: http://ross.bizedge.net/search/content/wibble%2Fwobble/
08:47 < RossC0> however that is showing an apache 404 not the agavi one where as: http://ross.bizedge.net/search/content/wibble/wobble/ shows the agavi 404 any ideas why?
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09:02 < v-dogg> woooombs
09:02 < v-dogg> huomenta 
09:05 < Wombert> hai
09:10 < v-dogg> I updated to the latest agavi and I regret for not doing it right away
09:13 < v-dogg> because this is heaven :)
09:13 < RossC0> :D
09:14 < v-dogg> the validation system in rev. < 1000 was just so screwed that I spent many hours trying to get my validators to work
09:15 < v-dogg> and upgrading to the latest didn't take more than an hour or so (mostly just search & replace & test)
09:16 < v-dogg> luckily I'm charging by the hour :)
09:24 < Wombert> you are? oO
09:25 < v-dogg> this is a hobby project, not real work :)
09:42 < v-dogg> http://creole.phpdb.org/ working for anyone?
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10:25 < SunboX> hi, how do i use ezcomponents with agavi?
10:26 < SunboX> does it work, if i copy it in libs and modifie autoload.xml?
10:26 < SunboX> or do i need to change something more?
10:27 < Wombert> ez components has it's own autoloader
10:27 < Wombert> it has nothing to do with agavi
10:27 < Wombert> you simply need to set it up according to the instructions
10:27 < SunboX> ah, ok
10:27 < Wombert> the best place to do this would be app/config.php
10:28 < SunboX> jep :o)
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10:29 < E_mE> huomenta
10:30 < Wombert> SunboX: I think all you need to do is load base.php and spl_autoload_register() the ezc autoloader
10:36 < SunboX> found this: http://p.caboo.se/56733
10:36 < SunboX> is the bug "up to date" ?
10:37 < Wombert> don't think so
10:37 < SunboX> k
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11:13  * RossC0 got the new ILife last night :D
11:13 < RossC0> it rocks :D
11:14 < Wombert> last night, eh?
11:15 < RossC0> well it was delivered yesterday morning... 
11:16 < Wombert> you pay money for ilife?
11:16 < Wombert> oO
11:17 < RossC0> yes
11:17 < RossC0> the new imovie rocks
11:17 < _cheerios> RossC0 bought a life?
11:17 < _cheerios> what does that thing do
11:18 < RossC0> http://www.apple.com/ilife/guidedtour/
11:27 < Wombert> you making vids of the little one, RossC0?
11:27 < RossC0> yeah - xmas presents!
11:27 < Wombert> cool
11:28 < Wombert> I was pondering a new MBP
11:28 < trophaeum> RossC0, remind me not to be good enough friends with you to get such annoying christmas presents ;)
11:28 < trophaeum> Wombert, DO IT! they kick ass
11:28 < Wombert> but the display opening angle is just too retarded
11:28 < Wombert> no
11:28 < Wombert> I have a powerbook
11:28 < Wombert> the display opens ~60 degrees there
11:28 < Wombert> or, well, 150
11:28 < RossC0> a new MBP?
11:28 < Wombert> then the MBPs came out
11:29 < Wombert> the opening angle was like 140
11:29 < RossC0> mac book pro?
11:29 < RossC0> :D
11:29 < Wombert> now with the LED backlit ones, it's 130 or even less
11:29 < _cheerios> just say a new mac, will ya! MBP!? WTF:D
11:29 < trophaeum> mbp is the next thing on my computer to spend money on list
11:29 < Wombert> I'm 6'9"
11:29 < Wombert> err
11:29 < Wombert> 6'3" :p
11:29 < ttj> Meters.
11:29 < Wombert> if I sit in a train with the powerbook on my lap, the display barely opens wide enough
11:30 < trophaeum> ttj thats ~188cm for those that failed math
11:30 < Wombert> it's just right, but every degree less than what it's now would ruin it entirely
11:30 < Wombert> actually, it's 193
11:30 < Wombert> IIRC :p
11:30 < trophaeum> 180 = 6ft, 2.54cm = 1in?
11:31 < Wombert> I was talking in feet and inches for those fools around here which don't use the very ace metric system
11:31 < Wombert> :)
11:31 < v-dogg> those measures are so screwed up
11:31 < Wombert> yes
11:31 < Wombert> they really are
11:31 < ttj> See? This is why we use the fucking metrix system in the first place. :P
11:31 < Wombert> actually, they are from an objective point of view
11:32 < Wombert> because if I ask trophaeum how many feet there are in 48.917 yards, he needs a calculator
11:32 < Wombert> :)
11:32 < trophaeum> no, yards * 3 = ft from memory
11:32 < trophaeum> (i was doin bsc applied maths)
11:33 < Wombert> 6 feet = 182.88 centimeters
11:33 < Wombert> 4 in = 10.16 centimeters
11:33 < Wombert> whoa?
11:33 < Wombert> wow
11:33 < Wombert> I thought it was an odd number :p
11:33 < trophaeum> its m into yards
11:33 < Wombert> 3 US quarts = 0.75 US gallons
11:33 < Wombert> hmm
11:34 < Wombert> 10 in = 0.833333333 feet
11:34 < Wombert> there you go! :)
11:34 < trophaeum> see how many people who are smart that still fail basic maths? ;)
11:35 < trophaeum> goin to grab some crap and ill be back, u be alive for a few hrs? i want to convert a site from zend mvc and no search functionality to agavi with google custom search :)
11:37 < trophaeum> dammit, ud think that talking that much in the channel would mean that ud be alive for at least long enough to say no fuck off :P
11:38 < Wombert> yes, will be here
11:38 < Wombert> yes, can do
11:38 < Wombert> yes, will stay the night in ze office
11:38 < Wombert> so yes, will help
11:38 < Wombert> yes, I'm busy as hell
11:38 < Wombert> but yes, will help you
11:38 < Wombert> that cool?
11:39 < trophaeum> excellent, id share a vodka and orange with ya but ur a bit far away :)
11:39 < Wombert> or would you prefer a NO FUCK OFF KTHXBAI
11:39 < trophaeum> haha, sweet, thx
11:39 < trophaeum> kthxbai works as well if uv got lotsa shit to do
11:39 < trophaeum> im drunk so i can happily be amused with other sites too
11:39 < v-dogg> I'll be here too, but also busy as hell
11:39 < Wombert> you are drunk at work? :p
11:40 < Wombert> or is it
11:40 < trophaeum> 9:30pm friday night
11:40 < Wombert> oh man I'm confused
11:40 < Wombert> mhm
11:40 < Wombert> eh?
11:40 < Wombert> you're _ahead_?
11:40 < trophaeum> vodka and orange double shots
11:40 < Wombert> wtf
11:40 < trophaeum> w00t
11:40 < Wombert> nono
11:40 < Wombert> can't be
11:40 < trophaeum> yea, im ahead
11:40 < Wombert> where the fuck do you live again?
11:40 < trophaeum> australia woman!
11:40 < trophaeum> gmt+10
11:40 < Wombert> LOLZ
11:40 < Wombert> I thought you lived in the U.S?
11:40 < trophaeum> (no daylight saving)
11:40 < Wombert> :>>>>
11:40 < Wombert> west coast
11:40 < trophaeum> fucking yanks
11:40 < Wombert> lawl lawl
11:40 < trophaeum> haha
11:40 < _cheerios> watching Bourne on TV?
11:40 < Wombert> word!
11:41 < Wombert> so where are you from exactly, trophaeum 
11:41 < trophaeum> if i was a yank i wouldnt know metic->imperial conversions
11:41 < Wombert> bahahah
11:41 < Wombert> :>
11:41  * Wombert hugs trophaeum 
11:41 < trophaeum> the beautiful sunny gold coast :)
11:42 < Wombert> pff, queensland
11:42 < Wombert> ;)
11:42 < trophaeum> im ~30mins from surfers paradise
11:42 < Wombert> mind to be a lil more specific? :p
11:42 < trophaeum> surfers paradise = the tourist city in gold coast
11:43 < trophaeum> ok, bbi10, goin for a walk to grab something for my drunk ass
11:44 < v-dogg> go grab someone to grab your drunk ass
11:44 < v-dogg> and forget coding tonight
11:48 < _cheerios> http://static.flickr.com/100/267584452_4c7f35863f.jpg
11:51  * Wombert hugs v-dogg 
12:01 < Wombert> time for dinner
12:01 < Wombert> no wait
12:01 < Wombert> lunch
12:01 < Wombert> !
12:01 < Wombert> ->
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12:12 < trophaeum> v-dogg, been there, done that, coding time while im in a mood for playing with something i havnt done before :)
12:12 < trophaeum> Wombert, hahaha, thats what i call work ethic... insane work ethic that is
12:14 < kaos|work> hey, trophaeum, i got a propel questions ;)
12:14 < kaos|work> -s
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12:15 < trophaeum> kaos|work, fire away
12:15 < kaos|work> do you know how to use columns which i added as alias (addAsColumn) in a having clause ?
12:15 < kaos|work> propel always wants me to use table.column
12:15 < kaos|work> when creating a criteria
12:16 < kaos|work> or criterion
12:16 < trophaeum> ummmm, best guess (and this is a guess as i am yet to use having in a realworld situation) is using a custom sql field for it?
12:16 < kaos|work> hmm, can i create "virtual" fields which don't get created in the db ?
12:17 < trophaeum> not that im aware of
12:17 < kaos|work> the query itself os not the problem
12:17 < kaos|work> the problem is that propel always tries to resolve the table name
12:17 < kaos|work> since it needs the column map to check the type of the field
12:18 < kaos|work> so currently the only solution i can imagine is adding that field at runtime to the mapbuilder
12:18 < kaos|work> before doing the query
12:18 < trophaeum> try using Criteria::CUSTOM as the type?
12:18 < kaos|work> this still wants me to use an existing field als first param to the criterion
12:19 < kaos|work> and from a quick look at the code it seems rather hard to use it
12:19 < trophaeum> kaos|work, wanna pastebin and paste me the way your doing this, im kinda curious what we're missing etc
12:20 < kaos|work> but this renders that entire aliasing thing completely useless imho
12:20 < kaos|work> k, mom
12:20 < kaos|work> and another thing i noticed
12:20 < kaos|work> when creating a readonly table
12:20 < kaos|work> shouldn't propel _not_ create the definition in the schema.sql for it ?
12:21 < kaos|work> (it currently does ... which is quite strange, when such a feature should be used for views which needs to be created manually anyways)
12:21 < trophaeum> *dreams of propel 2.0*
12:24 < kaos|work> yeah ;)
12:28 < Wombert> Criteria::CUSTOM oughta work
12:28 < Wombert> pass in any existing field
12:28 < trophaeum> Wombert, yea, i always tell people if u cant do what u need, use custom, this is the first time iv heard its not enough
12:30 < trophaeum> but then again, i know we have issues with aliases tho i think thats table aliases?
12:49 < kaos|work> well when using Criteria::CUSTOM i would need to completely rebuild the code which handles the different types (Criteria::IN, etc) in "userspace"
12:50 < kaos|work> trophaeum: here is a example what i'm trying to do: http://pastebin.ca/660980
12:52 < trophaeum>   $c->addHaving($c->getNewCriterion('grouped_total_count > 3', Criteria::CUSTOM); ?
12:52 < kaos|work> well, yes that would work of course
12:52 < trophaeum> does that really need to be having? cant that be where?
12:53 < kaos|work> well, yes ? 
12:53 < kaos|work> i can't do a where on something aliased in mysql
12:53 < trophaeum> oh haha
12:53 < kaos|work> i would use custom, if it was "standard" code using propel
12:53 < kaos|work> but i built a layer on top of propel
12:54 < kaos|work> which is accessed via soap
12:54 < kaos|work> which passes some kind of criteria around
12:54 < kaos|work> which i map to propel again
12:54 < kaos|work> so when i wanted to use Criteria::CUSTOM there i would need to completely rebuild those parts oft he criteria
12:55 < kaos|work> or i refactor criteria so much that i could use just that stuff from outside
12:55 < kaos|work> which would be rather complex i think
12:55 < trophaeum> what about extending criteria/criterion and just adding some extra code to the right methods to notice what it was doing?
12:55 < kaos|work> hmm
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12:56 < kaos|work> i think this still means like rewriting the entire appendToPs stuff
12:56 < kaos|work> since it's checking the column there
12:56 < trophaeum> i wouldv thought just loop through the map property and detect the oddity and turn that into a custom at that point
12:56 < kaos|work> -column + table
12:57 < kaos|work> hmm, that still means i need to copy the entire code which does the criteria type handling
12:58 < trophaeum> me thinks you either made an insanely painful overlay over propel or that your overcomplicating it
12:59 < kaos|work> the overlay is just there so i can transmit criterias via soap
13:00 < kaos|work> (and to have a slightly nicer interface as well, but that's just a side effect ;)
13:00 < trophaeum> whoa, ezc template looks nuts
13:03 < trophaeum> might have finally found a fkn smarty replacement!
13:03 < kaos|work> another problem using Criteria::CUSTOM is that i would need to handle quoting myself
13:04 < kaos|work> since i could not use the prepared statement
13:04 < trophaeum> you can request the db adapter and use that for it
13:04 < trophaeum> however yes you would
13:05 < kaos|work> i know i can use the adapter for quoting, but that's not really what i wanted to do, since it would break with sqlrelay :s
13:05 < trophaeum> u cant win *grin*
13:05 < kaos|work> hehe, seems so :/
13:07 < kaos|work> i think i will just go the mapbuilder runtime adjustment hack
13:07 < kaos|work> i am manually faking a table in the mapbuilder already at one place anyways
13:08 < trophaeum> well you can override the default map stuff cleanly enough from memory at least
13:08 < kaos|work> yeah
13:08 < kaos|work> i would just need to add an field anyways
13:08 < kaos|work> now i just need to make sure it doesn't use the full qualified name in the select
13:08 < kaos|work> (which doesn't work for aliases obviously ... lets see *g*)
13:18 < RossC0> is an action filter called once per request?  or once per action?
13:19 < Wombert> action filters are called in each execution container run
13:19 < RossC0> k cool
13:19 < Wombert> global filters are run once per dispatch
13:19 < Wombert> BUT
13:19 < Wombert> all filters also have an executeOnce() method
13:19 < RossC0> which means?
13:19 < Wombert> that one is called, mh, the first time the filter is run
13:19 < RossC0> ah ok
13:19 < Wombert> I think that's a relic from back when we had the action stack
13:20 < RossC0> is there also an execute method?
13:20 < Wombert> what are you trying to acomplish exactly
13:20 < Wombert> yes
13:20 < RossC0> k cool
13:20 < Wombert> executeOnce by default just calls execute
13:20 < RossC0> k cool
13:26 < RossC0> ok next question
13:27 < RossC0> is there anyway to identify if a filter is being run within a request
13:27 < trophaeum> echo "swizzlestick" ? :)
13:27 < RossC0> like a request id - or parent execution container handle
13:28 < RossC0> because I want to be able to collect information from all execution containers and store in the session - then inspect / overwrite in the next request / container stack 
13:30 < RossC0> Wombert ?
13:31  * Wombert scratches head
13:32 < RossC0> hmm ok - I could I add a hook - we have a $next in the ExecutionContainer I could add a $first - default to true and set to false for all the nexts ? 
13:33 < digitarald> hello clean-syntax-lovers: whats a better syntax ... el.effect('slide').out() ... el.effect('slide', 1) ... or el.slideOut()
13:34 < RossC0>  el.effect('slide', 'out')
13:34 < RossC0> :D
13:34 < digitarald> mh ... so many strings
13:34 < RossC0> el.effect(effectName, options)
13:35 < digitarald> or Array.associate
13:35 < digitarald> various possible argument
13:35 < digitarald> s
13:36 < digitarald> effect(name, method, options), effect(name, options)
13:43 < SunboX> el.effect('slideOut')
13:43 < SunboX> one more... :P
13:54 < Wombert> RossC0: still don't quite get what you're trying to accomplish
13:54 < Wombert> why don't you subclass the exec container?
13:54 < Wombert> and log in execute()
13:55 < trophaeum> ok, so who wants to guide a n00b thru his first agavi project?
13:56 < trophaeum> it's simple as hell really, 1 rss feed, 2 routes initially
13:56 < Wombert> make a new dir
13:56 < Wombert> create libs/
13:57 < trophaeum> *creates a new branch in monotone*
13:57 < Wombert> checkout branches/0.11/src to libs/agavi
13:57 < Wombert> create dev/
13:57 < Wombert> checkout branches/0.11/etc to dev/agavi
13:57 < Wombert> (or better, use externals)
13:58 < trophaeum> monotone not subversion
13:58 < Wombert> copy dev/agavi/agavi-dist to ./agavi and edit AGAVI_INSTALLATION to point to libs/agavi
13:58 < trophaeum> :)
13:58 < Wombert> (don't check in that "agavi" script)
13:58 < trophaeum> die svn!
13:58 < Wombert> then ./agavi project
13:58 < trophaeum> distributed vcs all the way!
13:58 < Wombert> press enter a million times
13:58 < Wombert> done
13:58 < Wombert> that's manual install
13:58 < Wombert> for PEAR install
13:58 < Wombert> just create a new dir for the project and type "agavi project" in there
13:59 < Wombert> I and most here prefer to bundle agavi with their app
13:59 < trophaeum> pear wont give me a svn checkout tho
13:59 < Wombert> also makes it easier to use latest svn versions
13:59 < trophaeum> yea, agreed, if u update agavi in pear and it has an api break... all sites dead
14:02 < trophaeum> done
14:08 < Wombert> cool
14:08 < Wombert> call pub/ in your web browser
14:08 < Wombert> should show a welcome page
14:09 < trophaeum> ko, let me check this out
14:10 < trophaeum> hahaha, 442 revisions sent in the sync *grin*
14:11 < ttj> Pub... Mmm...
14:13 < trophaeum> ( ! ) Fatal error: require() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'libs/agavi/agavi.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php5:/usr/share/php') in /wwwroot/servers/trophaeumagavi.work.risenbool/pub/index.php on line 6
14:13 < trophaeum> libs/agavi needs to be in include path?
14:13 < trophaeum> well, actually, i meant project root
14:14 < digitarald> where is lib?
14:14 < trophaeum> pub/../lib
14:14 < trophaeum> libs not lib that is
14:18 < Wombert> doesn't need to be, nope
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14:18 < Whisller> Hi
14:18 < Wombert> you didn't enter an absolute path in the agavi script I assume
14:18 < Wombert> no problem tho
14:19 < Wombert> go to pub/index.php
14:19 < trophaeum> i hit enter lotsa times as told to :)
14:19 < Wombert> yes yes but
14:19 < Wombert> when you edited "agavi"
14:19 < Wombert> you didn't point AGAVI_INSTALLATION to an absolute path
14:19 < Wombert> do that now maybe
14:19 < trophaeum> ohhhhhh, correct
14:19 < trophaeum> ok
14:19 < Wombert> and then we fix your project
14:19 < trophaeum> my bad
14:19 < Wombert> (we have to do that anyway, with or without the correct path)
14:19 < trophaeum> <Wombert> copy dev/agavi/agavi-dist to ./agavi and edit AGAVI_INSTALLATION to point to libs/agavi <-- i set it to libs/agavi ;)
14:20 < Wombert> pub/index.php the first require points to what you entered there. not good. you want it relative. make it ../libs/agavi/agavi.php
14:20 < trophaeum> got it
14:20 < Wombert> works?
14:20 < trophaeum> yup
14:20 < trophaeum> sexy
14:20 < Wombert> good
14:20 < trophaeum> i like the logo, i must say :)
14:20 < Wombert> :)
14:21 < Wombert> I actually prefer the simple, monochrome version
14:21 < Wombert> that one is the fancy version for teh special occasions ;)
14:21 < Wombert> anyway
14:22 < Wombert> do as it says there - a route with an empty pattern in routing.xml currently catches all requests
14:23 < Wombert> so remove all Welcome* action/template/view and also the to pngs in pub/
14:23 < Wombert> next, tell me what you want to do :)
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14:23 < Wombert> so we can create routes and actions for ya
14:24 < trophaeum> <!-- This page took 0.0135700702667 seconds to process --> and blank :) sweet
14:24 < Wombert> that should be IndexAction now
14:24 < trophaeum> ok, 1 route that is just matching /list/page/$page, 1 route matching /details/$id-longassnameherethatisjustforseoandgetsignored
14:24 < Wombert> edit app/modules/Default/templates/IndexSuccess.php
14:24 < trophaeum> and /rss
14:24 < trophaeum> well, /list/rss
14:25 < Wombert> we'll do that in a sweeter fashion
14:25 < trophaeum> works for me
14:25 < Wombert> <route name="rss" pattern="/rss$" stop="false" cut="true" output_type="rss" />
14:25 < Wombert> at the top of thy routing.xml, before all other routes
14:25 < trophaeum> oh yea, that :)
14:25 < Wombert> means all routes ending in /rss will be set to rss output type
14:26 < Wombert> we'll add code that handles the situation where something has no rss output later on
14:29 < Wombert> then
14:30 < Wombert> <route name="list" pattern="^/list(/{page:\d+})$" module="Default" action="List" />
14:30 < Wombert> err
14:30 < Wombert> <route name="list" pattern="^/list(/{page:\d+})?$" module="Default" action="List" />
14:30 < Wombert> so it's optional ;)
14:30 < Wombert> then /list works and /list/1, /list/2 and so on
14:31 < trophaeum> yup, perfect so far :)
14:32 < Wombert> <route name="details" pattern="^/details/(id:\d+)(-{description:.+})?$" module="Default" action="Details" />
14:32 < Wombert> again, description is optional, including the leading dash
14:32 < trophaeum> sweet, can i tell it never to assign description to the template?
14:32 < Wombert> you mean so the description doesn't show up?
14:32 < Wombert> of course
14:32 < trophaeum> blah, not template, mvc at all, yea, its just for seo purposes
14:32 < trophaeum> oh wait
14:33 < trophaeum> url gen will want it
14:33 < Wombert> <route name="details" pattern="^/details/(id:\d+)(-{description:.+})?$" module="Default" action="Details">
14:33 < Wombert>   <ignore>description</ignore>
14:33 < Wombert> </route>
14:33 < Wombert> yes, that's correct
14:33 < Wombert> you can still pass a description when generating a URL
14:33 < Wombert> if you don't give a description, it will use the default, which here is null, which means the entire part is omitted, including the dash
14:34 < Wombert> if the pre or postfix were a regular expression itself, you'd have to tell agavi what to use for pre and postfix, though, but that's out of the scope of this discussion
14:34 < trophaeum> :)
14:34 < Wombert> is this for products?
14:34 < Wombert> I usually prefer
14:35 < Wombert> like /products
14:35 < Wombert> and /products/123124
14:35 < Wombert> and /products/123712/gallery
14:35 < Wombert> etc
14:35 < Wombert> can you explain a bit what you're budiling there
14:35 < trophaeum> nop, trophaeum.com
14:35 < trophaeum> rewrite, was going to change it from current zend mvc + propel + zend view to smf forum... gave up on that idea
14:36  * v-dogg guesses he is building the death star
14:36 < trophaeum> now going agavi + propel + ezc templates probably once i get it working initially tho i might just stay with php templates depending on how they go (ezc looks sweet and on the same level as smarty)
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14:39 < trophaeum> as u can see, its a simple as hell site
14:39 < trophaeum> hence why im using it as my first project
14:42 < Wombert> harr
14:42 < Wombert> http://netmagnet.ro/rrainn/gags/rock_rule.jpg
14:48  * Wombert pokes trophaeum 
14:48 < Wombert> you cool so far?
14:48 < trophaeum> atm, will yell in a few mins no doubt
14:49 < Wombert> okay
14:49 < Wombert> you need to create these actions, right
14:49 < Wombert> type ./agavi action in thy project root
14:49 < Wombert> then pick the module
14:49 < Wombert> then the action name
14:49 < Wombert> then the views you need
14:49 < Wombert> list just needs Success
14:49 < Wombert> details needs Success and Error
14:49 < Wombert> you should use proper casing for actions and views
14:50 < Wombert> i.e. Details, not detals
14:50 < trophaeum> studley caps, got it
14:51 < trophaeum> oh wait, nvm, match whats in the xml
14:51 < trophaeum> haha, im blind
14:51 < Wombert> well depends
14:51 < Wombert> it's just a convention really
14:51 < Wombert> but yes, has to match, of course
14:52 < trophaeum> yup, np
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14:52 < Wombert> bonjour monsieur MrJeep 
14:52 < Wombert> comment ca va
14:56 < trophaeum> ok, making sense, all easy enough, integrating propel properly?
14:56 < Wombert> easy
14:56 < Wombert> there should be a propel example in databases.xml already
14:56 < Wombert> you basically only need to point it to your runtime-conf.php and that's it
14:56 < Wombert> it'll load propel for you and everything
14:58 < trophaeum> sweet, will play around with that in a moment then
15:02 < MrJeep> Wombert, sorry to bother you but do you know if the boolean type has been removed from Propel 1.3 ?
15:03 < Wombert> not aware of that
15:03 < Wombert> there were only strings returned in the beginning from what I remember but now it should cast to native types
15:03 < MrJeep> well, my boolean fields from my schema are getting ignored
15:03 < Wombert> problems?
15:03 < MrJeep> and http://propel.phpdb.org/trac/wiki/Users/Documentation/1.3/ColumnTypes this doesn't speak of any boolean type
15:04  * Wombert scratches head
15:04  * Wombert looks at trophaeum 
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15:07 < trophaeum> Wombert, no, just updating propel and looking at the om extension stuff in agavi
15:08 < Wombert> ah forget that
15:08 < Wombert> not gonna work
15:08 < Wombert> since propel doesn't have instantiable peers
15:09 < MrJeep> think i might have found it
15:09 < trophaeum> ok, so i need to put that in place then before i can use propel stuff properly?
15:09 < Wombert> no
15:10 < Wombert> that was just kind of a sugar topping
15:10 < trophaeum> ^_~ so ignore it?
15:10 < Wombert> so propel objects would have been agavi models
15:10 < Wombert> yes
15:10 < trophaeum> 'coming soon' or dropped?
15:10 < Wombert> dropped
15:10 < Wombert> unless I find someone to sponsor me time to implement instantiable peers in propel 1.3
15:11 < trophaeum> whats required to do it?
15:11 < Wombert> well
15:11 < Wombert> the idea is that inside a propel object you get access to the current agavi context
15:11 < Wombert> problem is
15:11 < Wombert> there can be more than one context running at the same time
15:11 < Wombert> and
15:11 < Wombert> peers are static
15:11 < Wombert> plus
15:12 < Wombert> we have instance pooling, which also is an issue
15:12 < Wombert> I'll probably drop it altogether
15:12 < trophaeum> sounds painful
15:14 < trophaeum> dammit wifi sucks
15:14 < trophaeum> svn up on a nfs mount over wifi
15:14 < trophaeum> bleh
15:19 < trophaeum> hahaha, i havnt used datadump since propel 1.2 and it worked first try
15:19 < trophaeum> sweet
15:19 < trophaeum> except its 40 fscking meg
15:20 < trophaeum> or 3meg gzip'd
15:20 < trophaeum> figures, xml
15:23 < trophaeum> Fatal error: Class 'CreoleTypes' not found in /wwwroot/shared_source/propel1.3/generator/classes/propel/engine/builder/sql/DataSQLBuilder.php on line 77
15:23 < trophaeum> dammit
15:24 < Wombert> set your include path
15:25 < Wombert> in app/config.php
15:25 < trophaeum> no, this is loading my xml dump back into the db
15:25 < trophaeum> sqlite in production, postgres local
15:25 < trophaeum> phing datasql in propel
15:26 < trophaeum> WOW, im using 1gig of swap to do this currently
15:27 < trophaeum> wtf is my php memory limit to let it do this...
15:28 < trophaeum> oh, 1.5gig, that explains it
15:28 < RossC0> hmm is there anyway to capture the output for each of the actions in a filter - without it being munged with the decorator output?
15:29 < RossC0> I've tried getting the viewInstance's output and / or the controllers
15:33 < Wombert> each container has a response
15:33 < Wombert> the output is in there
15:33 < Wombert> if the action ran a decorator etc, it'll be included
15:34 < Wombert> you cannot get the contents of the individual layers that were rendered
15:34 < RossC0> pants
15:34 < Wombert> soz
15:34 < Wombert> what the heck are you doing there anyway
15:34 < RossC0> Slot Population Filter
15:34 < RossC0> :D
15:35 < Wombert> woot?
15:35 < RossC0> well woots will come later
15:35 < Wombert> explain
15:36 < RossC0> its in ze logs
15:36 < RossC0> 2 ticks
15:36 < RossC0> search for 15:00 -!- Zibi_ [n=asd@80.4.120.163] has joined #agavi
15:38 < RossC0> if I can get the slots output I can achieve it
15:38 < Wombert> I don't get it
15:38 < RossC0> say you have a CMS and you have a login slot
15:39 < RossC0> on the front page
15:39 < RossC0> if it errors i.e. I forget to put a password in how do I get it to return to front page with the FPF filled in
15:39 < RossC0> the Login is also available as a non-slot
15:40 < RossC0> and the login form has no knowledge of where and how it was used
15:41 < RossC0> so writing a filter to determine on error if it was previously a slot of another action
15:42 < RossC0> if so reload that action and display the slot with errors in situ
15:44 < RossC0> there are known areas of difficulty - i.e. if the original action was done via executeWrite - this will fail 
15:44 < RossC0> in the first iteration anyway
15:44 < RossC0> if the first iteration ever actually becomes working code :D
15:45 < RossC0> I have all the information I need - apart from an easy way of getting the output of the single slot
15:46 < RossC0> hmm perhaps I don't need it
15:46 < RossC0> hmm
15:46 < Wombert> okay
15:46 < Wombert> I see what you mean
15:46 < Wombert> do this in the view of the slot
15:47 < Wombert> if it's displayed as a slot, put that information into the session
15:47 < Wombert> then in the error view, if that flag is there, set the populate data into the session and redirect back to the front page
15:47 < RossC0> yup
15:47 < Wombert> where the slot input view sees the populate data in the session and instructs fpf to populate the form
15:47 < Wombert> no need for filters :P
15:47 < RossC0> but dont need to do it in the slot
15:53 < RossC0> problem is the error view needs to know where it was called from 
15:53 < RossC0> and it could be a slot in multiple place
15:53 < RossC0> *places
16:00 < trophaeum> Wombert, would you believe that thanks to fkn db encoding im STILL trying to get the production data onto my server so i can test -_-
16:00 < Wombert> mysql involved?
16:00 < Wombert> :p
16:01 < trophaeum> sqlite in production
16:01 < Wombert> RossC0: that's why the slot, when called, needs to set that info into the session
16:01 < trophaeum> datadump in propel is broken when reading utf8 data and writing it to the xml file
16:01 < trophaeum> reading utf8 data from sqlite that is
16:01 < trophaeum> no idea about any other db's
16:03 < RossC0> hmm I think it can be done at a higher level - like FPF
16:04 < trophaeum> wtf, i made 1 cent on a click for adsense -_-
16:04 < trophaeum> fuck you google
16:05 < _cheerios> mmm... sweat \o/
16:05 < trophaeum> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it comes down to a broken iconv!!! #$!#%$!@#
16:06 < Wombert> RossC0: you might want to consider not redirecting back to the composite page
16:06 < Wombert> more difficult for a user to spot the error there anyway
16:08 < RossC0> Wombert - you mean be able to override it?
16:08 < RossC0> sure
16:08 < Wombert> ehm?
16:09 < RossC0> you might want to consider not redirecting back to the composite page
16:09 < RossC0> like FPF
16:14 < SunboX> can someone help me? if i change bootstrap from "development" to "production" i got the error:
16:14 < SunboX>    Couldn't find parser for file extension .xml
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16:14 < SunboX> don't know where to locate the proplem
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16:29 < Wombert> http://www.autoblog.com/2007/08/17/aston-martin-dbs-full-info-mega-gallery/
16:29 < Wombert> OH MY GOD
16:29 < Wombert> ttj: I NEED YOUR HELP
16:29 < Wombert> PLEASE
16:29 < Wombert> WE NEED TO ROB A BANK
16:29 < Wombert> ZOMG ZOMG
16:35 < digitarald> :( ... a server from a client has EXPERIMENTAL php5 support, enabled in .htaccess ... OMG, these idiots ... i tried one time ... no PDO ...
16:36 < ttj> Wombert: Sorry, need to run to see the new Bourne movie. But we'll rob a bank tomorrow, I promise.
16:36 < Wombert> thank god
16:36  * Wombert hugs ttj 
16:36 < Wombert> bourne in cinemas yet?
16:36 < Wombert> woot
16:36 < Wombert> must see
16:36 < digitarald> just saw the second one :D
16:37 < Wombert> SEPTEMBER SIX?
16:37 < Wombert> ZOMG
16:37 < Wombert> WE GERMANS GET THE SHAFT AGAIN
16:37 < Wombert> MUST INVADE FINLAND
16:37 < Wombert> okay sorry :p
16:37 < digitarald> why can some hosts offer to switch PHP version easily and this host does not even have a timeline when he'll offer php5 because it would break every php4-based client site ...
16:37 < digitarald> horrible!
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17:19 < trophaeum> would u believe its taken me until now to get the data back as sql that postgres will eat
17:19 < trophaeum> @#$%@#$
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17:40 < MrJeep> register*Validator still exists ?
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17:47 < trophaeum> ok, now that i finally have propel in place, anyone alive to tell me how to use it with the integration properly?
17:50 < MrJeep> propel has been integrated to agavi ?
17:50 < trophaeum> the db connection manager stuff supports it
17:50 < MrJeep> I mean, something more that the agavipropeldatabase
17:50 < trophaeum> ah, no, not afaik
17:52 < MrJeep> so, what exacly do you want to know ?
17:52 < MrJeep> I guess I may help you, I'm currently using it (1.3)
17:52 < trophaeum> first agavi project, complete n00b :)
17:54 < MrJeep> and by propel in place, what exacly do yo mean ?
17:56 < trophaeum> scouring code atm trying to find some sample stuff in the sample project thats useful to help me, propel in place means edited database.xml, built the project, got it ready with some data, need to know where to really go next with this in agavi
17:57 < MrJeep> ok
17:58 < MrJeep> give me some table name you have
17:58 < v-dogg> trophaeum: where to go with agavi in general or where to go with agavi+propel?
17:59 < trophaeum> v-dogg, bit of both
17:59 < v-dogg> database.xml, include_path for propel core + your propel classes (in config.php for example) and that's it
17:59 < trophaeum> MrJeep, torrent
17:59 < v-dogg> just start using MyPropelTableFoo
18:00 < trophaeum> so just treat it like normal, got it
18:01 < MrJeep> ok well...
18:01 < MrJeep> create a module
18:01 < MrJeep> lets call it Foo :P
18:01 < MrJeep> and an action named Retrieve
18:01 < trophaeum> default module created, actions created, routes created (wombert was helpin)
18:02 < MrJeep> ok
18:02 < trophaeum> however i spent 2hrs fighting xml encoding and he's disappeared now
18:02 < MrJeep> do you know how to fetch data from your database using propel ?
18:02 < trophaeum> yea, iv got a working site using zend mvc
18:02 < v-dogg> MrJeep: meet trophaeum, a propel dev
18:02 < v-dogg> :)
18:02 < trophaeum> v-dogg, and a slacker in general, u cant forget that 1 :)
18:03 < v-dogg> new to agavi but hard core propelist :)
18:03 < trophaeum> agavi's lack of docs makes it... interesting at times
18:03 < MrJeep> ahh, he's working with propel
18:03 < MrJeep> allready
18:03 < v-dogg> anyways, I'm off to have a code free friday night
18:04 < MrJeep> trophaeum : let's try to build some sort of datagrid then
18:04 < MrJeep> create a Datagrid module with actions :
18:04 < MrJeep> Index (Success View)
18:04 < MrJeep> Edit, (Input, Success)
18:04 < MrJeep> and this will be enought
18:05 < trophaeum> this site is lucky, all data is taken from feeds, readonly frontend for the time being, avoiding hitting the form stuff until i learn some of the absolutely stupid i should already know this basics of agavi
18:06 < MrJeep> huh ?
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19:14 < Wombert> pokes trophaeum 
19:14 < Wombert> no wait
19:14  * Wombert pokes trophaeum 
19:14 < Wombert> better
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19:53 < MrJeep> 				<errors>
19:53 < MrJeep> 					<error name="used">This username is allready used. Please select another one.</error>
19:53 < MrJeep> 					<error>You must supply a username.</error>
19:53 < MrJeep> 				</errors>
19:53 < MrJeep> why the "used" error is never displayed even when I specificly throw this error
19:53 < MrJeep> and the last, unnamed error is always displayed
19:53 < MrJeep> any idea ?
19:57 < _cheerios> iirc, syntax was for=""
19:58 < _cheerios> plus it seems to work correct
19:58 < MrJeep> arg
20:00 < MrJeep> ty
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21:37 < _cheerios> how do you find out what program is taking up a specific port
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22:01 < _cheerios> apache go down, get it up, mysql down due suffocatin all connections. it's like dominoes.
22:02 < ttj> HEX goes up, HEX goes down. It's like a swing that keeps on swinging up and down.
22:03 < ttj> But I was right! The Feds lowered interest rates! :P
22:04 < v-dogg> I wouldn't mind if the market would keep on falling a week or two
22:04 < ttj> How so?
22:04 < _cheerios> bring it all down so i can buy cheap!
22:04 < v-dogg> because I have some money to invest. I've been waiting for the right day to buy :)
22:05 < v-dogg> looks like it'll be monday
22:05 < _cheerios> btw. if you're into horror/thriller movies --> Wind Chill
22:05 < ttj> Well, just spread it out over the time dimension and follow some long-term holding strategy and you'll be fine.
22:05 < _cheerios> has the creepy sounds + dark scenes stuff going good :D
22:06 < _cheerios> btw. was there any way to get vmware stock at $29 when it opened?
22:07 < _cheerios> i mean, there's some that you can tell will do good, like obvioushness. just wondering.
22:07 < v-dogg> ttj: sure, but this crash couldn't have come a better time :)
22:09 < ttj> Crash? 'tis nothing but a slight flesh wound. :P
22:10 < v-dogg> in the long term, sure, but if ftse drops 4% in a day, it is somewhat of a crash :)
22:11 < v-dogg> ok, it went up 3.5% today :)
22:11 < _cheerios> didn't something like this happen earlier this year? or when did the finnish stock exchange go below 10k, or some dip... anyhow
22:11 < _cheerios> market corrected itself like 2-3 weeks after, and went over
22:12 < ttj> Case China at the end of February.
22:12 < v-dogg> this is bound to happen this time too
22:13 < ttj> The real question mark, in my opinion, was whether or not the Fed would step in and what they would actually do. As far as I understand Benny isn't that sympathetic towards the markets when they make errors.
22:13 < v-dogg> unless those evil hurricanes mess up the oil industry in mexico bay
22:15 < v-dogg> someone might say that these (the one in feb and now) are just the kind of irregularities that start to happen before a major depression :)
22:16 < v-dogg> but I din't say that :)
22:16 < v-dogg> because I'm already almost in bed
22:16 < v-dogg> night
22:16 < _cheerios> *g*
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06:21 < digitarald> Huomenta
06:22 < digitarald> ... whats that ModuleConfigHandler, just found it ... its never used, is it just a hidden feature?
06:23 < impl> It's to handle module.xml I believe
06:23 < impl> For individual modules
06:23 < digitarald> sure ... and u can set enabled/version/homepage ...
06:23 < digitarald> a little bit limited ...
06:25 < impl> Yeah, it doesn't do a whole lot
06:25 < impl> Hell, I'm not sure why the homepage bit exists
06:38 < _cheerios> early birds!
06:46 < digitarald> too early
06:46 < digitarald> feeling still like lying in the bed
06:46 < digitarald> the cold shower didnt help
06:46 < digitarald> maybe a pot mallorqin coffee
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07:11 < v-dogg> huomenta
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08:34 < _cheerios> david webb:p
08:35 < _cheerios> hello lukoko 
08:35 < lukoko> hi
08:37 < _cheerios> have you ever played browser games, lukoko ?
08:37 < lukoko> what is "browser games"?
08:37 < _cheerios> games playable via a browser, like Planetarion
08:39 < _cheerios> was wondering if you knew the gaming group LDK or were ever part of them, that's all.
08:39 < lukoko> no i dont know
08:40 < lukoko> i hawe some plans to make one
08:40 < lukoko> but i havent played yet?
08:40 < lukoko> -?
08:41 < _cheerios> with JS "soon" under Tamarin, good times to be making (better) browser-based games
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09:15 < _cheerios> "Personally, I didn't 'dislike' this movie. It reminds me of Doom."
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09:30 < digitarald> what movie?
09:30 < _cheerios> closed the tab... mmm.... some movie with Milla, UltaViolet iirc
09:31 < _cheerios> someones imdb review cracked me up
09:31 < Wombert> omg prison break!
09:31 < ttj> OMG, Marketing Management, 12th ed.!
09:32 < Wombert> no time for that today, ttj 
09:32 < Wombert> remember what you promised me yesterday
09:32 < ttj> :-(
09:32 < ttj> I have to go to Turku. :-(
09:32 < _cheerios> did prison break continue?
09:32 < ttj> But there are banks in Turku, too. Supposedly.
09:35 < Wombert> no _cheerios 
09:35 < Wombert> but I finally watched it :p
09:35 < Wombert> very ace
09:35 < Wombert> only season 1 so stfu :p
09:36 < _cheerios> yeah, it's good. season 2 is ace too.
09:36 < Wombert> but they're on the run there?
09:36 < Wombert> how does the doctor fit in
09:36 < Wombert> I checked IMDB to see if she survives the overdose
09:36 < Wombert> :<
09:37 < Wombert> and that "wife" of scofield
09:37 < _cheerios> first you tell me to stfu, then you ask for the plot.
09:37 < Wombert> is she a pornstar or something
09:37 < _cheerios> AND THEN YOU SAY YOU WENT TO IMDB TO SEE HOW IT ALL GOES
09:37 < Wombert> yeah true
09:37 < Wombert> lawl
09:37 < Wombert> I just checked if she's still part of the cast in season 2 dude :p
09:39 < _cheerios> seems season3 airs beginning mid-september
09:39 < Wombert> The 4-month hiatus between the airing of episodes 13 and 14 came back to haunt the producers. Lincoln's execution was scheduled to take place in May. All of a sudden it was snowing.
09:39 < Wombert> haha
09:39 < Wombert> I noticed that and was like wtf?
09:42 < Wombert> SPOILER:In the season 1 finale, the character of Dr. Sara Tancredi was originally intended to have been killed off from the drug overdose. However due to the network's request, the popularity of the character and Robin Tunney wanting to move on to other endeavors, Sara remained alive for season 2 while the show's other female lead Veronica Donovan was killed off in her place.
09:42 < Wombert> WOOT
09:42 < Wombert> ACE
09:42 < Wombert> :)
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09:43 < digitarald> DAMN IT
09:43 < digitarald> I'm just watching ep1!
09:43 < digitarald> KTHXBAI1
09:44 < Wombert> sorry
09:44 < Wombert> :(
09:44 < _cheerios> veronica was useless, good riddance
09:44 < Wombert> word
09:44 < digitarald> the confused lady dies ... thats ok
09:45 < _cheerios> i had to look her up in imdb cuz i didnt remember anymore whom she even was
09:45 < digitarald> its good that they let the network decide who dies and who lives :D
09:45 < digitarald> i had to search too ;)
09:45 < digitarald> vote-your-victim-poll
09:47 < digitarald> i just saw Smokin Aces ... niccccce
09:47 < _cheerios> oh, Heroes continue next month too
09:47 < digitarald> and Ncis?
09:48 < digitarald> the season finale was so fantastic
09:48 < _cheerios> and BattleStar Galactica October, 1st! w00t
09:48 < Wombert> BUT NOT LOST!
09:48 < Wombert> ZOMG
09:48 < _cheerios> i only watched Ncis last summer in sweden when i was bored at evenings
09:49 < _cheerios> lost was feb,2008?
09:49 < _cheerios> was really confusing hearing ALL NEW LOST, NEW SEASON on radio... but they're a season behind
09:50 < digitarald> that happens when u watch seasons on tv ;)
09:50 < digitarald> in europe
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09:51 < digitarald> 25.9. ... ncis s5 premiere ... sooo loooonnngg :(
09:52 < _cheerios> what's so interesting with that series? it didnt even have the budget of that other more popular serie... CSI?
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09:55 < digitarald> it has a better humor, well written characters
09:55 < digitarald> CSI are just blurry, grey characters ... NCIS is more fun
09:57 < Wombert> house is better than both of these anyway
09:57 < digitarald> why does a budget for a film matter? u ever saw El Mariachi, from Robert Rodriguez for $7,000
09:58 < Wombert> ncis is fun and maybe the better series but I still prefer the CSIs
09:58 < _cheerios> the original desperado? heh, yeah
10:00 < _cheerios> i think it's just in the fact that so many things have been done, and it takes exceptional skill to make something unforgettable these days.
10:00 < _cheerios> while this doable via talent, there's so little of it out there, and it can be overcome with a hundrend(s) million dollar budget... at times ;)
10:03 < _cheerios> probably one of the reasons i've enjoyed anime so much since i began watching it in 1999 or so. just a total different experience.
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11:21 < trophaeum> thats funny and sad, settings.xml - forgot to set database to true and thats what was sending me nuts at 5am last night
11:21 < trophaeum> w00t
11:22 < Wombert> told ya!
11:24 < trophaeum> iv got some actions working fully now with propel in them, next step is working out the templating in a clean way, does Master.php in templates always work the same as what i see in the sample site or is that because somehting is extended?
11:28 < trophaeum> nvm, finding it here in the sample app now
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12:55 < splatch`> hello
13:11 < MikeSeth> hello
13:12 < MikeSeth> Wombert: NCIS is <3
13:12 < MikeSeth> In fact, of all the cop series, it's absolutely the best
13:12 < MikeSeth> any of you folks seen GitS SAC - stolid state society?
13:12 < MikeSeth> it's absolutely fascinating
13:13 < MikeSeth> I highly recommend watching it after taking your time with GitS SAC though
13:13 < MikeSeth> It took me three-four reruns to actually comprehend the depth of the new Ghost in the Shell
13:14 < MikeSeth> The level of thought and detail - up to how Major divides her team for tactical tasks - is amazing
13:14 < MikeSeth> it's really a show that only programmers can truly appreciate in depth
13:15 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: figured out the temaplting?
13:28 < Wombert> oO
13:28 < Wombert> anyone saw Jericho btw?
13:30 < MikeSeth> I have
13:30 < Wombert> any good?
13:30 < MikeSeth> Its an interesting series, but a little cheesy
13:30 < Wombert> need to get prison break season 2 and  jericho as well
13:31 < Wombert> jericho is about what... the aftermath of a nuclear attack or something?
13:31 < MikeSeth> You can watch Jericho on tv-links.co.uk
13:31 < MikeSeth> well its a little bit more than this, because the people dont actually KNOW what happened
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13:32 < MikeSeth> there's emergency administration trying to do stuff, private military forces doing other stuff, a bunch of high tech terrorists trying to fuck things up further, etc
13:32 < MikeSeth> Jericho is realistic and believable, though a little, well, light on acting
13:32 < MikeSeth> characters are kinda cliche
13:41 < Wombert> kay
13:41 < Wombert> office ->
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13:44 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, gits, yes, veeeery good.
13:45 < _cheerios> the Laughing Man :p
13:46 < _cheerios> if you follow the career of the guy behind gits, you can see that he's been perfecting his formula for 10's of years
13:48 < trophaeum> MikeSeth, been watchin a movie so not exactly as yet but ill be playin more tonight and going from there
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13:54 < _cheerios> i checked whom i was referring to, and he wasnt the guy whom created the universe, but the director of the first film instead. deeply involved, but not the guy creating the fascinating world.
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14:08 < _cheerios> "Two men who tried to hijack a Turkish plane have surrendered after all 136 passengers and crew escaped unharmed." << beavis & buthead surrendered
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14:19 < Wombert> -> office
14:20  * Wombert pokes trophaeum 
14:20 < Wombert> I'll be around so shoot questions right away
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14:39 < Wombert> oh god MikeSeth help me
14:40 < Wombert> I think I'm slowly becoming a conservative
14:40 < Wombert> zomg
14:43 < Wombert> err
14:43 < Wombert> dudes
14:43 < Wombert> we need two BC changes
14:43 < Wombert> we have class methods called "import" :(
14:43 < Wombert> not good w/ php6
14:46 < _cheerios> we going to have engrish imprt's too? ;)
14:47 < Wombert> that's teh question
14:47 < Wombert> I want to rename AgaviConfigCache::import() to load()
14:47 < Wombert> better name anyway
14:47 < Wombert> about AgaviConfig::import(), not sure there
14:47 < Wombert> does anyone have a php6 installed for testing?
14:47 < _cheerios> better move away from the import/export duo, if import is a no-no
14:47 < Wombert> yah
14:48 < Wombert> alternatives plz? :p
14:49 < _cheerios> load, unload, manlyLoad and toughSqueeze?
14:49 < MikeSeth> Wombert: conservative?
14:49 < _cheerios> who has a dictionary around
14:49 < Wombert> yah
14:49 < MikeSeth> Wombert: you must misundestand conservativism.
14:49 < Wombert> for instance, hippies annoy me so much lately
14:49 < MikeSeth> I am a fiscal conservative
14:49 < Wombert> I mean really annoy
14:49 < Wombert> nah I mean with my views on this world
14:49 < Wombert> partly, at least
14:50 < MikeSeth> so what? I hate hippies too
14:50 < Wombert> and a little snobbish, too
14:50 < Wombert> hm okay maybe it's just a feeling
14:50 < MikeSeth> You have all the reasons to be snobbish
14:50 < Wombert> I do?
14:50 < Wombert> oO
14:50 < MikeSeth> 90% of people you know do not have independent thought
14:50 < MikeSeth> They have all these opinions and things
14:51 < MikeSeth> but if you ask them why do they think it's acceptable to prohibit, let's say, drugs or guns, they would only yield a moo and call you a nazi
14:51 < _cheerios> is mike trippin' 'ere, you don't see humans around you anymore. IT'S ALL MINDLESS ROBOTS!!1?! :D
14:51 < Wombert> oO
14:51 < _cheerios> (just don't try to check about the brains part with a spoon or something)
14:52 < MikeSeth> Wombert: it is not wrong ot scold and humiliate people who give up on decency to lure other people into their beliefs
14:52 < MikeSeth> in fact, it's a good man's obligation to expose and ridicule them
14:53 < MikeSeth> the american Republican party has nothing at all to do with conservativism as it is defined. It used to, but now it doesnt
14:53 < _cheerios> that would be exactly what a zealot does, what you just suggested, MikeSeth 
14:54 < Wombert> I'm not an american anyway, so I couldn't care less about the GOP
14:54 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: that's short-sighted, since we all live on the same planet. 
14:54 < Wombert> god forbid the dems are conservative enough for me as a german :p
14:54 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: what other people think and do directly affects you
14:55 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: there is nothing wrong with fighting for your beliefs
14:55 < trophaeum> Wombert, mornin
14:55 < Wombert> hai
14:55 < Wombert> eh
14:55 < Wombert> morning?
14:55 < Wombert> oO
14:55 < trophaeum> well its past midnight
14:55 < Wombert> isn't it like... 10... at your place?
14:55 < Wombert> oh
14:55 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: if you need to provoke pain and confusion in a person in order to force them to review their opinions, so be it
14:55 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, not at all. Hitler agrees.
14:55 < trophaeum> aussie not yank remember ;)
14:56 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: Hitler was a national socialist, and fascist. His theory was unfounded and his methodology inhumane. 
14:56 < _cheerios> i'm amused that i pulled out the hitler card.
14:57 < Wombert> I got a lime pastry from the bakery and it's got fucking currants in it
14:57 < Wombert> what the hell
14:57 < MikeSeth> hahahah fail
14:57 < Wombert> and just two streusels that deserve the name
14:57 < Wombert> gaaaawd
14:58 < Wombert> _cheerios: godwin says you've already lost anyway
14:58 < _cheerios> does he have some famous phrases, or what are you referring to, Wombert 
14:58 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: never heard of Godwin's law I presume
14:59 < Wombert> YOU DON'T KNOW GODWIN'S LAW??? ZOMG
14:59 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
14:59 < _cheerios> nope. just read that. the hitler card i referred to was one i read used commonly (of many others) to shut out someone when you don't really give a shit.
15:00 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: oh no, it's not about not giving a shit. It's about rationalizing your own position instead of arriving to it reasonably
15:01 < _cheerios> there is no reasion in rationalization?
15:01 < _cheerios> *reason
15:01 < trophaeum> which class do i look in to find what parameters are taken by layout layers?
15:01 < _cheerios> YOU MAKE NO SENSE MIKESETH
15:01 < _cheerios> I CALL BS ON THIS ONE
15:02 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: no. 
15:02 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: you're being sarcastic, aren't you
15:02 < _cheerios> did the caps give it away?
15:02 < Wombert> xD
15:02 < MikeSeth> rationalization is a very serious problem. It pollutes the mind.
15:02 < Wombert> 1 sec trophaeum 
15:03 < trophaeum> Wombert, np, iv got actions working, just need to get the templating sane
15:03 < MikeSeth> layers have parameters? I mean other than those they pass on to the templates?
15:04 < Wombert> layer's parameters define the behavior
15:04 < Wombert> a layer has a couple of default params
15:04 < Wombert> like the name of the view as the name of the template
15:04 < Wombert> or the view's module's template path as the directory
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15:04 < Wombert> and the renderer's default extension as the template extension
15:04 < _cheerios> logic and reason pollute the mind, MikeSeth? i see a nobel coming your way. so, what is the path to illumination of mind?
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15:05 < Wombert> plus a couple of defauls lookup patterns for the template
15:05 < Wombert> any specific issues, trophaeum?
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15:05 < trophaeum> Wombert, not really atm, just trying to work out how the templating works for the most part to trace it a bit and see whats going on etc
15:06 < Wombert> right
15:06 < Wombert> so
15:06 < Wombert> you have any number of layers
15:06 < Wombert> they are rendered in sequence
15:06 < Wombert> the previous output is available as $inner each template
15:06 < Wombert> you can preconfigure groups of layers into layouts via output_types.xml
15:07 < Wombert> then call loadLayout() on the view with the name of the layout
15:07 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/view might be interesting to read if you care
15:08 < Wombert> there's also a fat discussion thread on the mailing list that describes the layers and slots and all
15:08 < Wombert> http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/browse_frm/thread/6e1a1033b4b8b77c
15:08 < Wombert> you can skip most of the first post
15:08 < trophaeum> sweet, any other threads that may be useful, send em on over when you feel the urge :)
15:08 < Wombert> start with "Next: the new template architecture. "
15:08 < Wombert> and be sure to click "read more"
15:08 < Wombert> and!
15:09 < Wombert> read the entire thread
15:09 < Wombert> I give some examples in later posts
15:12 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: no, rationalization is
15:13 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: e.g. you have a belief, you can not account for its origins, so instead of reviewing it, you rationalize towards it
15:13 < Wombert> trophaeum: note two things. you don't need to use most plural tags in xml configs anymore these days, and the previous layer's output is now also available via $inner, which means your template does not need to know the name of the previous layer
15:14 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: "Killing people is wrong because it's a sin against god" <- rationalization
15:14 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, see, that's why I like English as a language. Words have multiple meanings!
15:14 < trophaeum> Wombert, yea, slowly but surely this is making more and more sense
15:14 < Wombert> I really like agavi's templating as compared to the old one
15:15 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: the worst thing about rationalization is that you can easily arrive to proper conclusions from improper premises. Then you can argue that since the conclusion holds, the premises are also true.
15:15 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: "Since everyone agrees that killing people is wrong, god exists."
15:15 < Wombert> the only thing I'd change if I could would be to get rid of the wrapped layer's output in $slots, so you can only use $inner
15:15  * Wombert ponders
15:15 < Wombert> should make that configurable, eh?
15:15 < Wombert> because then you can foreach() $slots, for instance
15:15 < MikeSeth> Wombert: *shrug* dont think it's a big issue per se
15:16 < Wombert> without having to check if one of em is the inner layer
15:16 < trophaeum> Wombert, that also means i can use smarty for content template and normal for decorator template?
15:16 < Wombert> trophaeum: sure
15:16 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, agreed, that kind of rationalizing is bad.
15:16 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: pretty much, although that'd be creepy ;)
15:16 < Wombert> MikeSeth: I do that!
15:16 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: and, it starts largely invisible
15:16 < Wombert> decorator and wrapper in PHP, rest smarty
15:16 < MikeSeth> Wombert: you are the master.
15:16 < Wombert> in fact, I use ezcTemplate
15:17 < trophaeum> MikeSeth, guy i work with is a smarty fan (well, he knows it now, he was using html_templateit or something from pear, no logic at all in templates)
15:17 < Wombert> which, as I discovered lately, sucks just as much as smarty does
15:17 < MikeSeth> Wombert: you can afford to get away with stuff like this without causing irreversible disruptions in time-space continuum
15:17 < MikeSeth> :D
15:17 < Wombert> heh
15:17 < trophaeum> really? i looked at it in the last day or 2 and thought it mightv been a reasonable smarty replacement :(
15:17 < Wombert> well
15:17 < Wombert> it has some issues
15:17 < _cheerios> did you guys note that new template library in C, Blitz?
15:17 < Wombert> a) cannot use constants in templates
15:17 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: huuuh? high performance?
15:17 < Wombert> b) cannot call methods (but agavi comes with a call() block for that)
15:17 < trophaeum> _cheerios, yea, i saw it, iv got the tarball on my desktop, its tempting me to install it
15:18 < _cheerios> well, better than the rest :)
15:18 < Wombert> c) array handling is HORRIBLE
15:18 < MikeSeth> god
15:18 < MikeSeth> doctrine makes me HARD
15:18 < Wombert> {foreach($foo['bar'] as $baz)}
15:18 < trophaeum> MikeSeth, send me a sample doctrine app then :)
15:18 < Wombert> how is that different from php
15:18 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: I am working on it right now.
15:18 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, http://alexeyrybak.com/blitz/blitz_en.html
15:18 < trophaeum> Wombert, i was thinking the same thing as i read that!
15:18 < Wombert> ezc is even more of just a different syntax to php than smarty is
15:18 < trophaeum> MikeSeth, sweet, thanks
15:19 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: nothing to look at. I've created the minimal infrastructure, but not anything you can really look at and say 'wee, this is how it works'
15:19 < trophaeum> Wombert, oh well, back to cursing the crappy templating engines...
15:19 < trophaeum> MikeSeth, thats ok by me, just some sample code using doctrine that isnt over complicated and shows off a few things would be really useful to me
15:19 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: http://www.phpdoctrine.net/doctrine/manual/new/?one-page=1
15:19 < Wombert> for instance
15:19 < Wombert> {if(is_set($t['attributes'][$t['attribute_tags']['description']]))}
15:20 < Wombert> {$t['attributes'][$t['attribute_tags']['description']]}
15:20 < Wombert> {else}
15:20 < Wombert> <i>No description has been entered yet. Sign up now and edit this place to give it a description!</i>
15:20 < Wombert> {/if}
15:20 < Wombert> that sucks SO HARD!
15:20 < _cheerios> <default> it's explained in the logs </default>
15:20 < Wombert> and it's not at all better than php
15:20 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: everything else is just Agavi integration.
15:20 < _cheerios> lolz
15:20 < trophaeum> Wombert, ROFL! yea, ok, php beats that for my use then :)
15:20 < MikeSeth> Wombert: its fuglier, in fact, fucks up the native editor facilities for editing PHP code
15:20 < Wombert> I will really have another look at PHPTAL
15:20 < Wombert> it's definitely the most elegant language out there
15:20 < trophaeum> lame, doctrine site down for anyone else? or do i throw things at my isp?
15:21 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: not down. There are mirrors though.
15:21 < Wombert> problem is that it has some weaknesses also, main one being it has to poke around in the data at runtime to see if it's an array or a property or a method to call...
15:21 < _cheerios> seems up http://doctrine.pengus.net/trac/
15:21 < MikeSeth> http://doctrine.pengus.net/doctrine/manual/new
15:21 < Wombert> maybe I'll write my on TAL imlplementation :p
15:21 < MikeSeth> http://www.phpdoctrine.org/doctrine/manual/new
15:21 < Wombert> but in any case, it seems to be the best templtae language so far
15:21 < Wombert> (of course, it can only generate xml)
15:21 < _cheerios> wombert with a classic i'm busy, so i'll just write shit from scratch.
15:22 < Wombert> haha
15:22 < trophaeum> i think i want an xml/xslt based templating somewhere along the line :/ problem is you have to turn your dataset into a dom tree for everything iv seen around that tho
15:22 < Wombert> yes
15:22 < Wombert> that's why we dumped our XslRenderer
15:22 < Wombert> it's just not very feasible
15:22 < Wombert> mmh
15:22 < trophaeum> dom trees are expensive to create :(
15:22 < MikeSeth> thats why I dropped a $10k Java-based XSLT engine in favour of agavi :D
15:22 < Wombert> trophaeum: not at all
15:23 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: there are always shortcuts. Streaming parsers etc.
15:23 < Wombert> ext/dom is so fast it won't show up in a cachegrind profile
15:23 < Wombert> the only thing it eats is memory
15:23 < Wombert> but... I can't finish up that lime pastry thing
15:23 < Wombert> see, that's what I hate about cologne
15:23 < Wombert> the food
15:23 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: wtf, blitz benchmarks say PHP is still faster than blitz. whats the point?
15:23 < trophaeum> Wombert, how is eating memory not expensive? *grin*
15:23 < trophaeum> MikeSeth, read all that it can do before writing it off
15:24 < Wombert> only in bavaria you get decent beer, decent bread, decent pastries, and lebekaese
15:24 < Wombert> OH BULLCRAP
15:24 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, yet another templating engine to admire, that's all.
15:24 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: I am not dumb enough to write it off, but I have a rule to screw at maximum with one new idea at a time. Agavi isnt new anymore so now I am poking Doctrine around
15:24 < Wombert> AND THE FRIGGEN FRUIT SODA SPILLED OVER
15:24 < Wombert> ZOMG ZOMG
15:25 < Wombert> and
15:25 < Wombert> it tastes like crap too
15:25 < Wombert> oh god
15:25 < Wombert> I'll go back home and play a round of Forza
15:25 < Wombert> BOOOOOH
15:25 < Wombert> someone please hug me?
15:26 < MikeSeth> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Wombert }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
15:26 < MikeSeth> HOLY FUCK
15:26 < MikeSeth> DOCTRINE CODE:
15:26 < MikeSeth>  $project = new ProjectRecord;
15:26 < MikeSeth>     $project->name = "Imaginary Advertising System";
15:26 < MikeSeth>     $project->Component[0]->name = "Traffic routing";
15:26 < MikeSeth>     $project->Component[1]->name = "Admin UI";
15:26 < MikeSeth>     $project->save();
15:26 < MikeSeth> ><
15:27 < Wombert> that creates Component instances on the fly?
15:27 < Wombert> sexy
15:28 < _cheerios> Mike: do you extend the Doctrine_Record's with your own stuff, or just write them all over with your own functionality?
15:28 < Wombert> I really don't like direct property access tho
15:28 < MikeSeth> *and* saves them *and* maintains validation
15:28 < Wombert> speaking of property
15:28 < Wombert> _cheerios: news on your apartment?
15:28 < Wombert> care to explain that payment thing again
15:28 < _cheerios> i'm moving next friday, if i can just get a van rented
15:28 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: both. I use Agavi models for high level tasks (e.g. fetch all tickets for the projects)
15:28 < Wombert> MikeSeth: help me. I think _cheerios is getting ripped off
15:28 < trophaeum> MikeSeth, 3.4.4.15. Gzip haha
15:29 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: its only haha when youre not storing thousands of patches
15:29 < _cheerios> the bank already owns my ass, or atleast the place i live, until i pay off the debt :|
15:29 < MikeSeth> I am going to implement soft revision control 
15:29 < Wombert> _cheerios: so you pay 300something bucks a month, right? you rent it? not buy it?
15:29 < MikeSeth> inside mysql
15:29 < MikeSeth> I will have versioned objects
15:29 < trophaeum> MikeSeth, oh i can see the use for it, try using like on the field tho :)
15:29 < Wombert> explain that again, really didn't get it last time around
15:29 < MikeSeth> Wombert: I play 900.
15:30 < Wombert> MikeSeth: right. and how much deposit?
15:30 < MikeSeth> Wombert: $5k
15:30 < Wombert> 900x3, right?
15:30 < Wombert> well okay a little more
15:30 < Wombert> _cheerios pays 22k or something
15:30 < MikeSeth> It's a 5 room appartment with 2 showers and 2 ACs
15:30 < _cheerios> i currently pay 540/mo (not including electricity), and im moving to a nicer place where i pay 340/mo (not including electricity), and use the savings to pay off the debt (13k) -- which i all get back when i move out, so im basically "force-saving" the money.
15:30 < Wombert> yes, yes, _cheerios 
15:30 < MikeSeth> I'm out of debt, finally
15:31 < Wombert> but you said you paid some five figure sum as a security or so?
15:31 < MikeSeth> I'm going to set up a forex account and burn like $1000 on experiments
15:31 < Wombert> and you do not own the place in the end
15:31 < _cheerios> yes, that 13000
15:31 < Wombert> but what for
15:31 < Wombert> I mean, that's the rent of three years!?
15:32 < _cheerios> well, you have more control over the apartment. basically it's a better deal due being cheaper.
15:32 < Wombert> I don't get this
15:32 < Wombert> you still don't own it, where is the bloody difference
15:32 < MikeSeth> Wombert: risk and time value of money
15:32 < _cheerios> it makes sense if you dont have enough income to take a 150-250k loand to start paying off a dream home
15:33 < _cheerios> but want a nice place, with a some upfront money
15:33 < Wombert> MikeSeth: is that euros or dollars
15:33 < Wombert> yours I mean
15:33 < MikeSeth> dollars
15:33 < Wombert> whoa
15:33 < Wombert> cheap
15:33 < MikeSeth> well sheqels, in dollar eq
15:33 < Wombert> normal price for israel?
15:33 < MikeSeth> for a 5room? yes. 
15:33 < Wombert> oO
15:33 < MikeSeth> but that doesnt include anything
15:34 < Wombert> how many square meters
15:34 < MikeSeth> i pay municipal tax, water charges, electricity, building maintenance fees, phone, cable, internet
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15:34 < MikeSeth> 90+
15:34 < Wombert> that's five small rooms then :p
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15:35 < MikeSeth> Wombert: actually, it's a salon, four bedrooms, two showers and a kitchen
15:35 < _cheerios> <humor> the fifth room is the balcony  </humor>
15:35 < _cheerios> damn, off-timed
15:35 < Wombert> _cheerios: certain types of balconies count as living space
15:36 < Wombert> a loggia, for instance, could
15:36 < MikeSeth> Wombert: wtf do you want, its a country full of jews ;)
15:36 < Wombert> what did that refer to
15:36 < Wombert> my remark about it being small? :p
15:36 < MikeSeth> yeha :D
15:36 < Wombert> or about it being cheap
15:36 < Wombert> are you a tiny person? :p
15:37 < _cheerios> rationalizing this jews like small rooms
15:37 < MikeSeth> it's a bargain really. we'd have to pay 1.5k/mo under normal circumstances.
15:37 < Wombert> we, eh, so is there a S.O. you didn't tell us about?
15:37 < MikeSeth> No, just pothead flatmates
15:37 < MikeSeth> :)
15:37 < Wombert> knew it. hard shell, soft core
15:37 < Wombert> oh okay
15:37 < Wombert> :p
15:37 < _cheerios> S.O.?
15:38 < Wombert> significant other
15:38 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: "significant other"
15:38 < Wombert> a girlfriend or wife or whatever
15:38 < Wombert> or a homo fuckmate
15:38 < _cheerios> or four
15:38 < Wombert> it's in the eye of the beholder
15:38 < Wombert> :p
15:38 < Wombert> LAWL
15:38 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: a polite way of saying "a person you say you fuck but really care about"
15:38 < Wombert> :>>>>>
15:38 < MikeSeth> :D
15:38 < MikeSeth> Wombert: one of my coworkers is gay, and has 2 gay flatmates. Imagine THAT.
15:39 < Wombert> dude
15:39 < Wombert> seriously
15:39 < Wombert> I don't want to imagine that
15:39 < MikeSeth> actually he says he hates them
15:39 < MikeSeth> calls them "stupid homos"
15:39 < _cheerios> more details, please
15:39 < MikeSeth> I dont understand gay people
15:40 < MikeSeth> I had a gay coder once, but I never realized he's gay. His code looked funny.
15:41 < MikeSeth> now that I think of it
15:41 < MikeSeth> I understand why he was mad at me when I told him that editing files on a production server over FTP is "gay"
15:41 < Wombert> lolz
15:41 < MikeSeth> curiously, he switched to Java and went off to a big company to specialize in XSLT
15:42 < Wombert> that sounds like a gay job
15:42 < Wombert> no pun intended
15:42 < Wombert> okay, pun intended
15:42 < MikeSeth> you think?
15:42 < MikeSeth> muhahaha
15:42 < Wombert> awww no must resist
15:42 < Wombert> can we stop this please
15:42 < _cheerios> so he's like an XBL pro, throwing that as his resume?
15:42 < Wombert> I mean, I don't mind gay people
15:43 < _cheerios> we have chuck to keep things straight!
15:45 < _cheerios> are you still studying mike, living like that?
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15:53 < trophaeum> isSimple() in actions signify what exactly?
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15:54 < Wombert> trophaeum: does a couple of things actually
15:55 < _cheerios> prevents testicle cancer
15:55 < Wombert> http://groups.google.com/group/agavi-users/browse_thread/thread/17c3219f4fc82a76
15:57 < trophaeum> ko, that should be useful, thx :)
16:03 < trophaeum> you'll have to produce clean XHTML. <-- this is a phptal DRAWBACK? lol
16:06 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: no, I am employed.
16:07 < impl> mornin y'all
16:07 < Wombert> impl!
16:07 < Wombert> would you happen to have a recent php6 snapshot installed?
16:08 < impl> Not here :p
16:08 < Wombert> we have two methods called "import" and I wonder if there are other issues :<
16:08 < impl> How do you mean?
16:09 < MikeSeth> anyone knows if XUL has a sidebar widget like in outlook?
16:12 < Wombert> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/369039155.html ehehe
16:12 < Wombert> impl: import is a reserved word in php6
16:13 < impl> oh, crap
16:13 < Wombert> we have AgaviConfigCache::import(), which I want to rename load()
16:13 < impl> AgaviConfigCache needs to dieeeeee
16:13 < Wombert> and AgaviConfig::import(), which I have no clue how to name (there's export() too)
16:14 < impl> fucking PHP developers
16:14 < impl> Why would it even look for a keyword like 'import' after 'function' or '::'
16:14 < impl> idiots don't know how to write a lexer
16:14 < Wombert> btw, not being able to have more than one namespcae per file sucks a little bit because compile.xml dies with that
16:15 < Wombert> (for 2.0, if we use namespaces)
16:15 < Wombert> well, impl, maybe it's because they're fucktards
16:15 < impl> if I could give up all my other projects I'd so rewrite PHP from scratch
16:16 < Wombert> nice thing the other day
16:16 < Wombert> fatal error
16:16 < Wombert> can't catch them in a custom handler
16:16 < Wombert> cool, eh?
16:16 < Wombert> so how am I supposed to handle such an error
16:16 < Wombert> hmmm
16:16 < Wombert> write  a script(!)
16:16 < Wombert> that runs the php script
16:16 < Wombert> checks the return code
16:16 < impl> ...
16:16 < Wombert> and if something went wrong, run the error handler
16:16 < Wombert> ... so awful
16:16 < impl> ooof.
16:16 < Wombert> want exceptions :<
16:17 < Wombert> that can't be too difficult either
16:17 < impl> What was the fatal error? Maybe we can bug-report it to make it catchable fatal error
16:17 < Wombert> not sure
16:17 < Wombert> wasn't me actually
16:18 < impl> you should find out and report it
16:18 < impl> ...of course then watch them mark it WONTFIX
16:19 < Wombert> you mean bogus
16:20 < impl> yeah, sorry
16:20 < impl> I'm used to using bugzilla
16:20 < Wombert> god can you imagine how many projects out there use "import" ?
16:20 < impl> Let's see
16:20 < Wombert> so what do we use instead of import()/export() in AgaviConfig?
16:20 < impl> http://google.com/codesearch?q=import+lang%3Aphp&hl=en&btnG=Search+Code
16:21 < impl> Results 1 - 10 of about 83,700. (2.72 seconds)
16:21 < impl> That's a headache right there :x
16:22 < impl> Wombert: Hmm, let's see
16:22 < Wombert> fetch/store?
16:22 < Wombert> hmm nah
16:23 < impl> http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?o2=&o0=1&o7=&o5=&o1=1&o6=&o4=&o3=&r=2&s=import&i=8&h=000000101123022000#c
16:23 < impl> I don't like any of those :\
16:23 < Wombert> OH GOD
16:23 < Wombert> ZOMG!
16:24 < Wombert> read the discussion "reserved word alert"
16:24 < Wombert> lolz
16:24 < impl> internals?
16:24 < Wombert> yah
16:24 < Wombert> and marcus' advice
16:24 < Wombert> dear god
16:24 < Wombert> ...
16:25 < impl> "
16:25 < impl> No future reserved word will contain a capital letter (unless it is entirely caps - constant).
16:25 < impl> So: nice simple rule - include a capital letter in all your variable/function/... names.
16:25 < impl> "
16:25 < Wombert> ...
16:25 < Wombert> yeah
16:26 < impl> That is the best advice ever.
16:26 < Wombert> as if function names were case sensitive
16:26 < Wombert> but carry on, gets better
16:26 < impl> > So: nice simple rule - include a capital letter in all your variable/function/...
16:26 < impl> functions, classnames and methods.... are case-insensitive. Only
16:26 < impl> variables are case-sensitive.
16:26 < impl> -Hannes
16:26 < impl> pwned :p
16:27 < impl> wtf@Marcus
16:27 < impl> Isn't that what namespaces are supposed to *FIX*
16:28 < Wombert> I think he didn't get the question
16:28 < Wombert> he was referring to classes and functions (global ones, not class methods)
16:29 < impl> Either way...
16:29 < Wombert> otoh, that shows how well php devs are listening
16:29 < impl> Namespaces are supposed to fix that crap
16:29 < impl> I don't want to have PEAR::PEAR_MyClass
16:30 < _cheerios> not namespaces, prefixes!
16:31 < impl> http://marc.info/?l=php-dev&m=114736739115429&w=2
16:32 < impl> Wombert: so ... it looks like we can get around this with __call (ugh?)
16:33 < Wombert> nope
16:33 < Wombert> since both import() methods we have are static ;)
16:33 < impl> damn it
16:33 < Wombert> I see this as a bug fix
16:33 < impl> __static_call()
16:33 < impl> :|
16:33 < impl> someday..
16:33 < Wombert> anyone bitching about a BC break is going to be shot in the face
16:34 < impl> Yeah
16:34 < Wombert> okay
16:34 < Wombert> so...
16:34 < Wombert> I'll do this change right now then
16:34 < impl> This is going to break BC though?
16:35 < Wombert> yes
16:35 < impl> if we break it we can break it everywhere! called!
16:35 < Wombert> but what should we do
16:35  * impl runs to change all the things he doesn't like
16:35 < impl> Wombert: I dunno.
16:35 < Wombert> we have to do this
16:36 < Wombert> otherwise, agavi won't run on php6
16:36 < Wombert> and we need to do it now, not later
16:36 < impl> Wait until I test Agavi on the latest PHP6 when I get home tomorrow before you make an official announcement
16:36 < impl> incase we need to change more
16:36 < Wombert> okay
16:36 < Wombert> hmm
16:36 < Wombert> well okay :p
16:36 < impl> if we do break BC we need to do it all at once, or people are going to be like 'wtf
16:36 < impl> '
16:37 < Wombert> anyway... what do we use for AgaviConfig now?
16:37 < Wombert> -for+with
16:37 < impl> Does ::import replace existing values?
16:38 < Wombert> no
16:38 < Wombert> 	public static function import($data)
16:38 < Wombert> 	{
16:38 < Wombert> 		self::$config = array_merge(array_merge(self::$config, $data), self::$readonlies);
16:38 < impl> can we call it ::append then?
16:38 < Wombert> 	}
16:38 < impl> or ::setMany
16:38 < Wombert> wait actually it does :p
16:39 < impl> I mean, totally replace
16:39 < impl> Like wipe the array first
16:39 < impl> ::setMultiple?
16:39 < Wombert> no
16:39 < Wombert> hm
16:39 < impl> I think my cache stuff I was working on uses ::import too
16:39 < impl> maybe not
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17:30 < v-dogg> heeeelp
17:31 < v-dogg> nevermind :)
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18:09 < trophaeum> are your slots available still in later layers in the templates?
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18:11 < impl> Yup, $slots['name']
18:11 < impl> I think anyway ;p
18:12 < trophaeum> sweet, didnt think it was logical for them to get nuked
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18:24 < Wombert> no
18:25 < Wombert> slots are only available on the layers for which they were registered
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18:37 < trophaeum> Wombert, well now that sucks :/ i wanted the slot to still exist when it got to the decorator... any suggestions?
18:37 < trophaeum> <xi:include xpointer="xmlns(a=http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config) xpointer(/a:configurations/a:sandbox/a:renderers)" /> <-- whats this actually doing?
18:38 < Wombert> then set them on the decorator layer, trophaeum 
18:38 < Wombert> it includes the renderers element from the sandbox
18:38 < trophaeum> yay for being clueless!
18:38 < trophaeum> ahhh
18:38 < Wombert> that is done since this renderers block is reused somewhere else
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18:41 < Wombert> under normal circumstances, you don't really need it
18:41 < Wombert> I sometimes use it to reuse layer definitions in multiple layouts
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18:43 < v-dogg> what was the output type parameter for fpf?
18:43 < v-dogg> (i.e. how to disable/enable fpf for a certain output type?)
18:43 < Wombert> output_types
18:43 < Wombert> an array!
18:43 < v-dogg> like methods?
18:43 < Wombert> <parameter name="output_types">
18:43 < Wombert>   <parameter>html</parameter>
18:43 < Wombert> </parameter>
18:44 < Wombert> yes
18:44 < Wombert> you don't really need the child element for either
18:44 < Wombert> it casts to an array
18:44 < Wombert> but... well :p
18:45  * v-dogg hugs ze crazy germy
18:45 < splatch`> hello
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18:53 < v-dogg> man, this red vine is really starting to affect :)
18:53 < v-dogg> maybe I should stop coding
18:53 < v-dogg> or at least take a backup :)
18:53 < v-dogg> wine, even
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18:54 < v-dogg> Wombert: help plz k thx
18:54 < trophaeum> my rule is no root shells open when extremely tired or drunk :)
18:54 < v-dogg> hehe
18:55 < trophaeum> iv done rm -rf /home before today
18:55 < trophaeum> that wasnt fun
18:58 < _cheerios> hoho
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19:17 < _cheerios> btw. i had an odd problem yesterday with apache. rewrite rules didnt kick in on server restart for some odd reason.
19:17 < _cheerios> only /modpub worked, but nothing thru index.php
19:17 < _cheerios> only after 5-10mins of being started apache kicked in
19:44 < Wombert> v-dogg: so will you tell me the problem now or what :P
19:45 < v-dogg> now that you are here, maybe
19:45 < v-dogg> if you ask nicely
19:45 < Wombert> should I get a pizza with tomatoes and extra mozarella
19:45 < Wombert> or one with champignons and ham
19:45  * Wombert ponders
19:45 < Wombert> or one with salmon and mozzarella
19:45 < _cheerios> mmmm :(
19:45 < Wombert> in any case, I need an extra tiramisu
19:46 < Wombert> and
19:46 < Wombert> hmmm
19:47 < v-dogg> salmon and mozzarella sounds nice. tiramisu doesn't taste good on a pizza
19:47 < Wombert> no, that's extra
19:47 < v-dogg> "orly" :D
19:47 < Wombert> I had a salmon and mozzarella the other day it was decent but unfortunately, it arrived dead cold
19:47 < Wombert> which ruined the salmon
19:48 < Wombert> the salmon also was put on in large blocks, not in thin slices, for some reason
19:48  * Wombert ponders
19:48 < Wombert> I'm also considering getting a giant size pizza
19:48 < Wombert> but I guess that's gonna be too much
19:48 < Wombert> hmmm hmmm hmmm
19:48  * Wombert ponders
19:49 < v-dogg> but my problem: how to handle session timeout / unauthorized access and csv output type?
19:49 < Wombert> I think I'll go for a tomato/mozzarella one
19:49 < Wombert> and then
19:49 < Wombert> extra pizza biscuits
19:50 < Wombert> uh?
19:50 < Wombert> well, you gotta return something, v-dogg :p
19:50 < Wombert> I suggest an empty response and a 403 header
19:50 < v-dogg> was there a way to forward to the login action even though the routing has already made the output type "csv"
19:50 < Wombert> eh?
19:50 < Wombert> that doesn't depend on the output type
19:50 < Wombert> the security filter does that
19:50 < v-dogg> sure sure, but the login action doesn't support csv :)
19:50 < Wombert> so you would need to give your logininputview an executecsv
19:51 < Wombert> yes and there you set a 403 header!?
19:51 < v-dogg> got it
19:51 < v-dogg> and now more wine :)
19:51 < Wombert> hmm
19:51 < Wombert> maybe I should order a bottle, too
19:51 < Wombert> wine is good when programming
19:51 < Wombert> hmm hmm hmm
19:51 < Wombert> but it's probably utter crap
19:51 < v-dogg> thanks mate and good night
19:52 < v-dogg> wine & sauna ->
19:52 < Wombert> lawl sauna
19:52 < Wombert> :>
19:52  * Wombert hugs the stereotype
19:52 < v-dogg> and a shave (it's been 3+ weeks since the last time :)
19:52 < Wombert> ewww
19:52 < v-dogg> and the vacation ends on monday :)
19:53 < v-dogg> so, ->
19:54 < Wombert> night
19:55 < _cheerios> "Lots of people make the mistake of thinking that Microsoft is a software company. That's wrong. Microsoft is an abuse company that uses software as a method of delivering abuse."
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20:20 < Wombert> bah
20:20 < Wombert> they're out of tiramisu
20:20 < Wombert> fuckers
20:20 < splatch`> tiramisu?
20:21 < Wombert> you don't know what tiramisu is?
20:21 < Wombert> my sincere condolences
20:22 < Wombert> http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiramisu
20:23 < digitarald> who is out of tiramisu?
20:23 < Wombert> the pizza delivery service
20:23 < splatch`> i never eat tiramisu
20:24 < Wombert> well let's just say your life could not possibly be complete if you have never eaten tiramisu
20:25 < digitarald> when u die u'll be still half-alive until u'll get tiramisu
20:25 < digitarald> u never saw Tiramisu Of The Dead?
20:25 < splatch`> does tiramisu really gives "power"?
20:25 < Wombert> huh?
20:25 < digitarald> sure
20:25 < digitarald> its full of fat ;)
20:25 < Wombert> it's a dessert dude :p
20:25 < digitarald> pure energy ;)
20:26 < splatch`> hmm, does coffee don't do this?
20:27 < Wombert> I don't think you absorb the caffeine really
20:27 < splatch`> i drink coffee and eat some chocolate when i dead
20:27 < digitarald> its like 50% Mascarpone ... a triple-cream cheese with a lot of fat ;)
20:27 < digitarald> but its delicious when its fresh :D
20:28 < splatch`> ok, i'll add tiramisu to my menu :D
20:28 < digitarald> why u order pizza/tiramisu, saturday, 22:30?
20:28 < splatch`> digitarald: no, in future i'll try tiramisu and expresso
20:29 < splatch`> oops espresso :)
20:29 < Wombert> es!presso
20:29 < splatch`> es es :)
20:29 < digitarald> whatever
20:29 < digitarald> most non-italians say it wrong anyway
20:30 < digitarald> only too-cool people try to spell it right ;)
20:30 < Wombert> which allows everyone to slap them in the face
20:30 < Wombert> digitarald: still at the office, need something to eat, it's gonna be a coding night with no sleep I guess
20:30 < digitarald> i have beer here too to code until my girl comes home
20:30 < splatch`> huh, Wombert you are really hard worked
20:31 < digitarald> in Palma the streets start to fill with party folks ... bah
20:31 < splatch`> digitarald: i've beer, but i haven't girlfriend, so i'll stay alone :)
20:31 < digitarald> Prost :)
20:31 < Wombert> digitarald: wine > beer for coding
20:32 < splatch`> == false
20:32 < digitarald> wine is for later, when she comes home :D
20:32 < splatch`> ;)
20:32 < Wombert> beer makes inert
20:32 < Wombert> wine stimulates
20:33 < digitarald> I was jogging 1 hour ago
20:33 < splatch`> beed makes inert? one time i was after 4 beers and ..
20:33 < splatch`> .. and nevermind :)
20:33 < digitarald> I need to be inert now :D
20:34 < splatch`> that's most individual
20:34 < Wombert> done
20:34 < _cheerios> digi is a sweaty jogging man too, sweet :D
20:34 < Wombert> I'm glad I didn't order a giant size pizza
20:34 < digitarald> and pizza makes active or inert?
20:34 < digitarald> ;)
20:35 < Wombert> it makes you inert in the dull-lazy-fat-ass sense
20:35 < Wombert> mmh
20:35 < Wombert> I WANT A FRIGGEN TIRAMISU NOW
20:35 < digitarald> first pizza, then the espresso, then u'll see if u still want a tiramisu ;)
20:35  * splatch` opening next beer
20:36 < Wombert> dude!
20:36 < Wombert> remembers there is an espresso machine in the kitchen
20:37 < digitarald> a manual "machine", in aluminium, for the herd?
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20:37 < digitarald> damn ... I hate position calculations in css
20:37 < splatch`> from september i'll learn english again
20:38 < splatch`> so maybe i'll can talk with you :)
20:38 < digitarald> learn spanish, its better weather there
20:38 < digitarald> maybe too hot in summer
20:38 < Wombert> NO
20:38 < digitarald> :D
20:38 < Wombert> IT'S OUT OF FRIGGEN COFFEE BEANS
20:38 < Wombert> no
20:39 < splatch`> digitarald: i going to learn english not for summer :)
20:39 < digitarald> hey Felix wants to have agavi conference on Mallorca, is that ok with u Wombert?
20:39 < Wombert> a very ace saeco automatic thingie with a display and self cleaning and wooozah
20:39 < splatch`> Mallorca? :D
20:39 < Wombert> I guess you have to ask all the others :p
20:39 < digitarald> ... I can make a reservation in the 5 star golf hotel where my girlfriend works :)
20:40 < Wombert> I can do that, too :p
20:40 < Wombert> I pick up the phone and call
20:40 < splatch`> digitarald: and pay for us?
20:40 < Wombert> or is it cheaper for you :p
20:40 < digitarald> ... cheaper
20:40 < digitarald> ... when its not during main season
20:40 < digitarald> now they are overbooked
20:40 < digitarald> so, no special prices
20:41 < Wombert> :p
20:41 < Wombert> okay
20:41 < Wombert> next year or so I'd say
20:41 < digitarald> MooTools conference is planned for barcelona :D ...
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20:42 < digitarald> spain becomes the new web 3.0 base :D
20:42 < splatch`> digitarald: maybe in future when i'll rich i'll fly to Spain
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20:43 < digitarald> u don't need to get rich
20:43 < digitarald> u can fly from berlin
20:43 < digitarald> i know some people from poland here
20:44 < digitarald> living on mallorca
20:44 < digitarald> we met 3 of them when we started from Berlin Schönefeld \fs20 :D\fs18
20:44 < splatch`> huh, so let's do Agavi conference in mallorca!
20:44 < digitarald> mh ... -fs**
20:44 < splatch`> in/at
20:44 < digitarald> :D on
20:44 < digitarald> in
20:44 < digitarald> wherever
20:46 < splatch`> digitarald: cool when i'll have more money i'll go to you and you Poland friend with polish vodka :D
20:48 < digitarald> :D
20:50 < splatch`> i go look at some ugly code ;)
20:50 < splatch`> bye!
20:50 < digitarald> Wombert, would u use Growl notifications in your app?
20:50 < digitarald> as mac user ...
20:50 < Wombert> in a web app?
20:51 < digitarald> yes
20:51 < digitarald> backend
20:51 < Wombert> a hosted web app?
20:51 < Wombert> bo
20:51 < Wombert> no
20:51 < Wombert> I'd have to open ports
20:51 < Wombert> set up port forwarding etc
20:51 < digitarald> with JS
20:52 < digitarald> in the browser
20:52 < digitarald> no real Growl
20:52 < Wombert> ?
20:52 < digitarald> ... i called or totally different
20:52 < digitarald> Roar
20:52 < digitarald> *or-it
20:52 < Wombert> okay so it's not growl
20:52 < Wombert> and it runs on non macs
20:52 < Wombert> in the browser
20:52 < digitarald> yes
20:52 < Wombert> if the website is open
20:52 < Wombert> ?
20:52 < Wombert> what's the point
20:52 < digitarald> sweet looking
20:53 < digitarald> with queue
20:53 < Wombert> the window must be there if I want to notice the message
20:53 < digitarald> yes
20:53 < Wombert> I really can't imagine a single use case
20:53 < Wombert> I find grow redundant already
20:53 < digitarald> do u have apps relying heavily on ajax?
20:53 < Wombert> no
20:53 < digitarald> ok
20:53 < Wombert> but stil
20:53 < Wombert> l
20:54 < Wombert> what I hate about growl messages is that they disappear so quickly
20:54 < Wombert> on a desktop, well, they serve a purpose I can understand
20:54 < digitarald> for example a new mail Growl in a mailer interface
20:54 < Wombert> what for
20:55 < Wombert> you have to display the information anyway
20:55 < digitarald> additional to the blinking icon for new-mail
20:55 < Wombert> permanently
20:55 < Wombert> well
20:55 < Wombert> I'd say one blinking element is enough
20:55 < Wombert> :p
20:55 < Wombert> the whole point of growl is to tell you things you otherwise DON'T see
20:55 < Wombert> if I have the mail app open I'll notice the flashing envelope
20:56 < Wombert> if I don't have it in the foreground a growl doesn't help me either
20:56 < Wombert> it's about what you want users to focus on
20:56 < Wombert> I'd ask myself "okay... the envelope flashes... and what was that thing there in the top right corner for a second?"
20:56 < digitarald> does growl make sounds?
20:56 < Wombert> it can
20:56 < digitarald> k :)
20:56 < Wombert> I'd much rather play a sound when new mail arrives
20:57 < Wombert> no wait
20:57 < Wombert> it can't in fact
20:57 < Wombert> the apps play the sound
21:01 < _cheerios> alerts suck
21:02 < digitarald> not alerts
21:05 < digitarald> The Hives really help to concentrate
21:07 < digitarald> Foobar2k has also Growl like notication :)
21:11 < digitarald> http://digitarald.de/playground/roar.html
21:11 < digitarald> Roar, Growl for the web
21:11 < Wombert> I still think it's useless :(
21:11 < Wombert> btw, forgetfoo.com has had that for a long time
21:12 < digitarald> sure, its not knew, thats why I asked for your important opinion :)
21:13 < _cheerios> oh, those things
21:16 < digitarald> whats that forgetfoo page? "The FooForum might not work properly under your browser. It's been designed/developed with IE in mind, and some features currently won't work in Firefox/Mozilla."
21:17 < Wombert> he's a stupid, ignorant, right wing asshole blogger
21:17 < Wombert> if you want to know what 50% of americans are like, read his blog
21:17 < Wombert> he doesn't think for himself
21:18 < Wombert> he always quotes victor hansen
21:18 < Wombert> and he's a loyal bushie
21:18 < Wombert> oooh I must download monday's daily show
21:18 < Wombert> tony snow stepped down!
21:18 < digitarald> most of his latest diggs are stupid, i thought of that
21:18 < digitarald> where u download them?
21:19 < Wombert> dunno
21:19 < Wombert> I'll see on tuesday ;)
21:19 < Wombert> isohunt or so
21:19 < Wombert> or I watch it on comedycentral.de if they still have it there
21:19 < digitarald> no
21:20 < digitarald> ... maybe i hack them to work for me when they converted them to mootools :D
21:20 < digitarald> but now I need a proxy, because of the IP restriction for the video player ;)
21:20 < Wombert> cc.de/com is the slowest site on the internets
21:21 < digitarald> u can't watch them from spain, thats ooo mean
21:21 < Wombert> soooooo much flash and all
21:21 < Wombert> horrible
21:21 < digitarald> isohunt to the rescue
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21:23 < digitarald> i hope when comedycentral.de is on mootools, that it will be faster
21:24 < digitarald> ah, girl ... there ... laters
21:24 < digitarald> :)
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21:36 < digitarald> :D
21:36 < digitarald> i just was in the #drupal channel
21:36 < digitarald> jquery is automatically included when a js file is included ...
21:36 < digitarald> what a logic
21:39 < digitarald> fuck ... they made it in the core
21:39 < digitarald> the only way is to delete jq from the themes dir
21:39 < digitarald> and to remove all drupal js
21:42 < Wombert> wow
21:43 < Wombert> august 15's daily show
21:43 < Wombert> stewart gets angry
21:43 < Wombert> nice
21:43 < Wombert> never seen him that bitter before
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05:38 < MugeSo> Oh! Ｉt stil look for documentation contributors...
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06:52 < _cheerios> huomenta
06:58 < MugeSo> houmenta
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08:29 < Wombert> morning
08:30 < ttj> Yo.
08:30 < _cheerios> hai
08:31 < ttj> Just rediscovered The Crystal Method's Community Service. Didn't originally care that much about it, but tracks 9-11 make up quite a decent set of music to play while driving at fast speeds. :P
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08:36 < digitarald> Huomenta!
08:36 < Wombert> hai
08:42 < digitarald> how was your night?
08:42 < Wombert> mh
08:42 < Wombert> well I slept in on the keyboard
08:43 < Wombert> well
08:43 < Wombert> fell asleep, I mean
08:43 < Wombert> and then I decided I should go home and use my bed for that instead
08:43 < Wombert> and now I'm back in ze office
08:44 < digitarald> good decision, productivity is really during sleep on your keyboard
08:44 < digitarald> +really low
08:48 < MugeSo> well..., it leave patterns of keyboard on your face? even now?
08:48 < Wombert> no ;)
08:49 < Wombert> only half of my face was sitting on the keybaord
08:49 < Wombert> plus, as I said, I woke up at 3 or so and went home
08:49 < MugeSo> It's good.
08:52 < splatch`> hello
08:52 < MugeSo> hello
08:52 < ttj> Wombert: Workaholic! :P
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09:00 < Wombert> ttj: not really
09:00 < Wombert> I'd much rather still be asleep, then wake up slowly and do nothing all day
09:09 < MugeSo> Wombert: I agree with ttj
09:10 < MugeSo> you are in your office on "sunday", aren't you?
09:10 < MugeSo> :-p
09:10 < digitarald> i'm in the office too
09:10 < digitarald> ... home office, but office
09:11 < _cheerios> underwear programmers ftw
09:14 < Wombert> I'm in the office, yup, and it's sunday, yup
09:14 < Wombert> and my estimate is that I'll work for at least 12 hours nonstop from this point
09:14 < Wombert> no wait that would mean I can leave before midnight
09:15 < Wombert> so 13 hours at least
09:15 < digitarald> if u don't chat so much
09:20 < MugeSo> ........tell you the truth, i'm also working now :-)
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12:48 < Fastly> hey guys
12:48 < Fastly> i'm getting a "
12:48 < Fastly> 			Too many execution runs have been detected for this Context.
12:49 < Fastly> when trying to customise my Error404SuccessView
12:49 < Fastly> i made it extend ProjectBaseView, removed execute() and added an executeHtml() as in other views...
12:50 < Wombert> yes
12:50 < Wombert> a slot of yours cannot be found
12:50 < Wombert> so the error404 action is called
12:50 < Wombert> which then sets up the default layout
12:50 < Wombert> with that same slot
12:51 < Wombert> which again cannot be found
12:51 < Wombert> so the error404 action is called
12:51 < Wombert> which then sets up the default layout
12:51 < Wombert> and so on
12:51 < Wombert> I suggest that you cater for this in your setupHtml
12:51 < Fastly> ahhh... interesting
12:52 < Wombert> 	public function setupHtml(AgaviRequestDataHolder $rd, $layoutName = null)
12:52 < Wombert> 	{
12:52 < Wombert> 		$this->loadLayout($layoutName);
12:52 < Wombert> 	}
12:52 < Wombert> change it to
12:52 < Wombert> public function setupHtml(AgaviRequestDataHolder $rd, $layoutName = null)
12:52 < Wombert> {
12:52 < Wombert>   if($layoutName === null && $this->container->getParameter('is_slot')) {
12:52 < Wombert>     $layoutName = 'slot';
12:52 < Wombert>   }
12:52 < Wombert>   $this->loadLayout($layoutName);
12:52 < Wombert> }
12:56 < Fastly> that works great, thanks!
12:59 < Fastly> how are you doing, anyway?
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14:04 < Wombert> friggen busy, Fastly 
14:04 < Wombert> other than that, I'm good
14:04 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/WTF
14:29 < MugeSo> by the way,
14:29 < MugeSo> What do you think about my patches for http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/544
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15:19 < Fastly> Wombert, I know agavi doesn't offer this as default functionality for various reasons, but do you use helpers at all for generating form elements?
15:19 < Wombert> nope
15:19 < Wombert> what for? :)
15:19 < Wombert> <input type="text" name="lolz" /> is not overly complicated
15:20 < Fastly> yeah i suppose
15:20 < Fastly> maybe just an extra layer of enforced consistency... 
15:21 < Fastly> i can see them being more useful for dropdown lists 
15:21 < Fastly> e.g. loading values from an array might be neater with a helper than using a foreach
15:22 < v-dogg> html generating helpers are something that must not be a part of a framework but nothing keeps you from using them
15:22 < v-dogg> there is a variety of form builders out there
15:23 < Fastly> i've used PEAR::QuickForm before... 
15:24 < v-dogg> I think MikeSeth uses it with agavi
15:26 < Fastly> but i think it's a little bloated plus has to load the base PEAR system to use it... wondering whether it's worth it
15:27 < v-dogg> if you only use it to create <select>s, no :)
15:28 < Fastly> indeed, lol
15:32 < MugeSo> so, I don't use form builders.
15:35 < MugeSo> Smarty's custom functions is all that is needed
16:16 < Fastly> wombert, how do you change the renderer? i'm testing the speed of smarty and i've autoloaded Smarty.class.php in autoloads.xml and added <renderer class="AgaviSmartyRenderer.class.php" /> to factories.xml
16:20 < v-dogg> renderer is in output_types.xml now, iirc
16:21 < Fastly> ahh.. thanks v-dogg
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16:41 < Fastly> when using smarty with agavi, isn't there shorter way of displaying attribute values in a template than {$template.site_title} ... for example {$site_title} ?
16:44 < v-dogg> <parameter name="extract_vars">true</parameter> for the renderer in output_types.xml
16:45 < v-dogg> extracts $template into variables
16:46 < Fastly> nice one ;-)
16:54 < v-dogg> anyone with IE online?
16:57 < Wombert> anyone volunteering to shoot me
16:57 < Wombert> please
16:57 < Wombert> ?
16:57 < Wombert> Fastly: careful with that tho
16:57 < Wombert> there are some vars in the global scape
16:58 < Wombert> scope
16:58 < Wombert> like $inner
16:58 < Wombert> and so on
16:59 < Wombert> you might want to consider just renaming $template
16:59 < Wombert> to $t, for instance
16:59 < Wombert> <parameter name="var_name">t</parameter>
17:00 < Fastly> i'll bear that in mind thanks Wombert
17:00 < Fastly> v-dogg, i have IE7 here
17:04 < v-dogg> would you mind telling me if you see a menu items in the blue bar: http://veikko.fi/tulospalvelu/
17:04 < v-dogg> for some odd reason my IE shows them only after the first mouseover
17:05 < Fastly> i see items, but only upon mouseover too
17:05 < v-dogg> hmm... wtf
17:11 < Wombert> ooooh these words!
17:11 < Wombert> sjöröddningssällskapet
17:11 < Wombert> :>>>>
17:11 < Wombert> Meripelastustaitokilpailut
17:11 < Wombert> :>>>>>
17:13 < Wombert> ahahaha
17:13 < Wombert> 19.08.2007 klo 20:13
17:13 < Wombert> "klo" means "loo" in german
17:13 < Wombert> :>>>>>
17:13  * Wombert hugs v-dogg 
17:13 < v-dogg> haha
17:14  * Wombert hugs v-dogg, his favorite weirdo, and the rest of finland with their saunas and weird words
17:14 < Wombert> I think I would really enjoy finland
17:14 < Wombert> I have to visit one day
17:16 < _cheerios> heh @ klo
17:16  * _cheerios imagines Wombert walking on finnish streets, pointing at street signs and giggling out loud uncontrollably
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17:30 < Wombert> exactly that, _cheerios :)
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18:51  * Wombert pokes impl 
18:52 < impl> Heya
18:52 < impl> I'll do those PHP6 tests in a couple of minutes, I have to install cable right now
18:52 < Wombert> np
18:52 < Wombert> actually
18:52 < Wombert> I had forgotten about that
18:52 < Wombert> and was only saying hello
18:52 < impl> oh something else?
18:52 < Wombert> but good you mentioned it :)
18:52 < Wombert> nope
18:52 < impl> Oh, then hi :P
18:53 < Wombert> did I show you...
18:53 < Wombert> mmmh
18:55 < Wombert> http://netmagnet.ro/rrainn/gags/rock_rule.jpg
18:55 < Wombert> :)
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19:35 < Wombert> impl: help
19:35 < Wombert> I need a name for the inverse of Action::isSecure()
19:38 < Wombert>  i.e. a method indicating that only non authenticated users may use it
19:41 < v-dogg> only non authenticated? why?
19:41 < Wombert> so you can't call the register page when logged in, for instance
19:42 < Wombert> yes, I know
19:42 < Wombert> customer wants it tho
19:44 < impl> Wombert: isNonprivileged() ?
19:51 < _cheerios> isAnonymous()
19:51 < impl> anonymous has a meaning though (anonymous function, ie, lambda)
19:51 < v-dogg> feels wrong to me to 
19:52 < v-dogg> too
19:54 < _cheerios> i've, like probabaly everyone else (?), added an if/else to the executeread for this prior. a method for this would be fine, tho.
20:04 < Wombert> yeah
20:04 < Wombert> I have
20:04 < Wombert> 	public function isSecure()
20:04 < Wombert> 	{
20:04 < Wombert> 		if($this->context->getUser()->isAuthenticated()) {
20:04 < Wombert> 			return true;
20:04 < Wombert> 		} else {
20:04 < Wombert> 			return false;
20:04 < Wombert> 		}
20:04 < Wombert> 	}
20:04 < Wombert> 	
20:04 < Wombert> 	public function getCredentials()
20:04 < Wombert> 	{
20:04 < Wombert> 		if($this->context->getUser()->isAuthenticated()) {
20:04 < Wombert> 			// something the user doesn't have ;)
20:04 < Wombert> 			return array('zomglolkthxbai');
20:04 < Wombert> 		}
20:04 < Wombert> 	}
20:04 < Wombert> but I need that on several occasions so I want to have a central method for it where I just return true and that's it
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20:15 < _cheerios> does a user always have credentials? one option would be to have getCredentials() return false.
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20:20 < Wombert> _cheerios: hmm?
20:21 < Wombert> keep in mind, credentials are only checked if the action isSecure()
20:21 < Wombert> (I could change the security filter tho)
20:21 < _cheerios> ah, right. was just wondering if we need yet-another method.
20:22 < Wombert> nah I want to do this in my project here
20:23 < impl> Wombert: Yeah, I was thinking that there really shouldn't be a secure/insecure thing
20:23 < impl> Just credentials
20:24 < impl> when a user logs in it's up to the script to provide a credential for authenticated or whatever
20:24 < impl> another thought for 2.0 I guess :p
20:24 < Wombert> ah well that means I can remove that if from getCredentials() at least
20:24 < Wombert> since it's never called when isSecure() is false
20:25 < impl> isSecure could be shorter too, ala return $this->context->getUser()->isAuthenticated(); :P
20:25 < Wombert> still, I'd like to have that stuff declarative, i.e. I have function isLolz() { return true; } and dat's it
20:25 < Wombert> SMART ASS HUH?
20:25 < Wombert> :p
20:25 < impl> :X
20:25 < Wombert> I've noticed I developed a caffeine resistance
20:25 < impl> No, you just need more
20:25 < Wombert> and that's even tho I don't drink any coffee anymore
20:25 < Wombert> at least not since I'm in cologne
20:25 < Wombert> but
20:26 < impl> Coffee has way more caffeine in it than a Coke though
20:26 < Wombert> I ordered myself a philips senseo for teh new office in munich :>
20:26 < impl> so
20:26 < Wombert> does it, I thought it was the other way round
20:26 < impl> I'm pretty sure coffee has more
20:26 < impl> My mom doesn't like it when I have coffee so there must be something behind that :>
20:26 < Wombert> lawl
20:27 < Wombert> yes, true
20:27 < Wombert> it even has more than red bull
20:28 < Wombert> I do, however, still have one military standard bundeswehr caffeine pill left over
20:28 < Wombert> in case this night gets veeeery long
20:28 < Wombert> 500 milligrams
20:28 < Wombert> so ace
20:28 < Wombert> :>
20:28 < Wombert> or was it 250
20:29 < Wombert> anyway, more than nuff
20:29 < _cheerios> nothing like having your heart pumping like crazy scaring you shitless to keep you tied to the monitor for that precious little extra longer
20:29 < _cheerios> coffeine <3
20:30 < Wombert> I once had a coffeine flash
20:30 < Wombert> that is such an awful experience
20:30 < Wombert> I drank two bottles of coke through the day and I think a can of coffee in the morning
20:30 < Wombert> oh dude
20:30 < Wombert> ...
20:31 < Wombert> not an unusually high amount, but well, it was enough :p
20:33 < ttj> Well, it's official. I didn't reach 40 years of age. Not even 30 years of age. I'm going to die within the next year.
20:34 < Wombert> uh?
20:34 < ttj> I just bet a bottle of Dom Perignon that I could beat a friend of mine in a marathon.
20:34 < Wombert> phew
20:34 < ttj> The marathon that we agreed on is next year's Helsinki City Marathon.
20:34 < Wombert> I thought you had eyebrow cancer
20:34  * Wombert looks at _cheerios 
20:34 < Wombert> yours gone?
20:34 < Wombert> :P
20:34 < _cheerios> ...
20:34 < Wombert> xDDDD
20:34  * Wombert hugs _cheerios 
20:34  * Wombert falls over
20:34 < Wombert> aaaah :p
20:34 < ttj> I can run 10 kilometers. He can run a marathon in 4h22min and thinks that right now he's be able to shave ~20 minutes off.
20:34  * _cheerios saves a punch for Wombert for Morocco meeting
20:35 < Wombert> morocco?
20:35 < Wombert> eh
20:35 < Wombert> did I miss something? :p
20:35 < _cheerios> ttj: you going to train over the winter or what? :)
20:35 < ttj> Yeah. We're having an #agavi meet in Morocco.
20:35 < Wombert> ttj: then better start practice
20:35 < ttj> _cheerios: I should hope. :P
20:35 < Wombert> in morocco
20:35 < Wombert> are you crazy
20:35 < Wombert> there is no internets there
20:35 < ttj> Only Teh! IntarWeb!
20:36 < Wombert> I thought it was on mallorca
20:36 < ttj> They exported it.
20:36 < _cheerios> 4h22min is pretty ace
20:36 < Wombert> anyway
20:36 < Wombert> hm
20:36 < Wombert> casablanca? :)
20:36 < ttj> Only if they change the ending.
20:36 < Wombert> lawl
20:36 < _cheerios> if there was a training facility to practice over the winter that my cheap ass could afford, i'd bet ttj would not only lose to his friend, but me too ;)
20:36 < ttj> Anyway, need to read the final couple of chapters of Kotler & Keller, Marketing Management for tomorrow's exam.
20:37 < ttj> Catch you peeps later.
20:37 < Wombert> good luck with that, ttj 
20:37 < ttj> Thanks.
20:37 < ttj> I'll get you guys some pints if you come cheer for me next year in Helsinki City Marathon. ;-)
20:37 < Wombert> _cheerios: reminds me, I need to find a decent gym near teh new office
20:39 < _cheerios> gym? train only biceps and creatine being the only source of nutrient. should do the trick.
20:39 < Wombert> no
20:39 < Wombert> I need the daily routine and someone to kick my butt
20:39 < _cheerios> http://lbnutrition.com/Catalog/nfoscomm/catalog/images/creatine300.gif one of these for lunch every day
20:39 < Wombert> fuck that shit
20:40 < impl> Disgusting
20:40 < impl> D:
20:40 < Wombert> I just want some general stamina and stuff
20:40 < Wombert> not look like schwarzenegger
20:40 < impl> try viagra
20:40 < Wombert> I WAS ELECTED TO LEAD, NOT TO READ
20:40  * Wombert giggles
20:40 < impl> haha
20:40  * Wombert remembers he still needs to watch that one
20:40 < _cheerios> where is that from?
20:40 < impl> Simpsons Movie
20:40 < _cheerios> ah
20:41 < Wombert> teh simpsons movie
20:41 < Wombert> SPIDER PIG
20:41 < Wombert> SPIDER PIG
20:41 < impl> Does whatever a spiderpig does
20:41 < Wombert> and I need to watch Bourne 
20:41 < Wombert> can it jump
20:41 < impl> hmm, can pigs jump?
20:41 < _cheerios> latest Bourne is pretty boring
20:41 < Wombert> no it can't
20:41 < Wombert> _cheerios: stfu kthxbai
20:41 < _cheerios> atleast in comparison to DieHard4
20:42 < Wombert> O RLY?
20:42 < Wombert> I like bourne for one reason: he's never running. well, almost.
20:42 < Wombert> he's the most relaxed hero in movie history
20:42 < Wombert> very cool
20:42 < Wombert> before that, however, I need to finish Prison Break S2
20:42 < _cheerios> i hadnt seen bourne 1,2 in a while, but 3 just seemed like i was watching the previous bournes again.
20:44 < _cheerios> movies are so overrated on imdb these days
20:44 < Wombert> are they
20:44 < Wombert> I think armageddon and starship troopers are way underrated xD
20:45 < _cheerios> armageddon was a steaming pile of turd. but, i actually like st!
20:45 < _cheerios> Superbad is getting thumbs up everywhere
21:21  * _cheerios reminds himself to cleanup sessions table more often
21:23 < _cheerios> deleting a million+ records on a replicated setup leads to mayhem for a while x_X
21:24  * _cheerios wonders if replication broke. slave keeps getting more and more behind.
21:26  * Wombert pokes impl 
21:26 < Wombert> found time yet?
21:27 < _cheerios> ah, just took a while. 800+ secs behind, then to normal.
21:33 < impl> Wombert: I think I should have a bit of time now
21:33 < Wombert> ace
21:33 < impl> Wombert: Have you committed the change to import()s already?
21:33 < Wombert> nope
21:33 < impl> Go ahead and do that
21:33 < impl> I'll grab the latest PHP6 snap
21:33 < Wombert> we still need replacements names for import() and export() in AgaviConfig
21:34 < impl> setMultiple and getAll? ;x
21:34 < Wombert> horrible
21:34 < impl> Do you have a better idea? :x
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21:37  * Wombert pokes trophaeum 
21:37 < Wombert> you would know!
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21:37 < _cheerios> imprt & exprt! :p
21:37 < Wombert> that's actually what doctrine did
21:37 < Wombert> imprt
21:38 < Wombert> we could do imp0rt :p
21:38 < _cheerios> well, someone changed the names, and broke their code. but i guess theyĺl fix that :p
21:38 < Wombert> or japaneseHentaiTentaclePr0n
21:38 < Wombert> anyway
21:38 < Wombert> gawd
21:38 < Wombert> why is naming things so difficult
21:38 < impl> because we already have the right names
21:39 < Wombert> :/
21:42 < _cheerios> in/out, get/set, load/unload, setup/?, init/?, _import/_export,... oh well.
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21:50 < trophaeum_> did i hear tenticle pr0n?
21:50 < trophaeum_> now u have my attention :P
21:54 < Wombert> zomg
21:55 < Wombert> the creperie next street has food until 12 only
21:55 < Wombert> not 1
21:55 < Wombert> crap
21:55 < Wombert> now I have to eat at mcdonald's
21:55 < Wombert> crap crap
22:21 < impl> D:
22:40 < Wombert> found a delivery service btw
22:40 < Wombert> seems to be part greek, part chinese, part turkish, part italian, part something else
22:40 < Wombert> so it's gonna be crap
22:40 < Wombert> but they have homemade tiramisu
22:40 < Wombert> :)
22:41 < trophaeum_> Wombert, lol, u really need to get away from your computer more ;)
22:41 < Wombert> I do
22:41 < Wombert> I had a extra large pizza with extra cheese for lunch
22:42 < Wombert> and pizza the day before
22:42 < Wombert> and the day before that, too
22:42 < Wombert> if it goes on like this, I'll end up becoming a fat guy
22:42 < Wombert> not good
22:42 < Wombert> but today I'll eat the spaghetti I ordered
22:42 < Wombert> then the tiramisu
22:43 < Wombert> then finish the three macadamia nut cookies from subways (after the häagen dasz macadamia nut ice cream this noon)
22:43 < Wombert> zomg
22:43 < Wombert> zomg zomg
22:43 < Wombert> I'm really glad I have a good metabolism
22:44 < trophaeum_> Wombert, haha, ull still get fat at that rate!
22:45 < Wombert> probably
22:46 < impl> today I have eaten
22:46 < impl> uh
22:46 < impl> four miniature candy bars
22:46 < impl> that I found on the table
22:47 < impl> on the other hand we have cable that runs from one side of the house to the other now
22:48 < Wombert> it's here!
22:48 < Wombert> cable... tv?
22:48 < Wombert> :p
22:48 < impl> It's the same cable :P
22:49 < Wombert> ehm?
22:49 < impl> Cable Internet and cable TV come over the same cable :P
22:53 < Wombert> you have cable tv now!
22:53 < Wombert> woot
22:54 < Wombert> now you can watch lost
22:54 < Wombert> and prison break
22:54 < Wombert> and heroes
22:54 < Wombert> and the daily show
22:54 < impl> no
22:54 < impl> it's cheap cable
22:54 < impl> basic service
22:54 < Wombert> ???
22:54 < impl> and only my dad has it
22:54 < impl> We get mmm 25 channels?
22:54 < Wombert> come on, you've got to have cnn on base cable?
22:54 < Wombert> and abc
22:54 < Wombert> and nbc?
22:54 < impl> ABC, NBC yes
22:54 < Wombert> see
22:54 < impl> you can get that over antenna
22:55 < Wombert> that's all you ever need for heroes and lost
22:55 < impl> yeah but I don't watch TV :P
22:55  * Wombert shakes head
22:55 < Wombert> seriously, your life is not complete if you didn't see LOST
22:58 < trophaeum_> Wombert, thats what the dsl connections are for, downloading your tv shows instead of paying for expensive cable that u get crap all on
22:58 < trophaeum_> *pets the 8mbit adsl at home*
22:58 < trophaeum_> im aussie tho so i dont get new stuff for freaking AGES after it airs
22:59 < Wombert> trophaeum_: well
22:59 < Wombert> 1) you have HDTV over DVB-T
22:59 < Wombert> 2) you have to pay a fee if you own a device that can receive broadcast signals in germany
22:59 < Wombert> 3) here, cable tv + internets + phone is cheaper than phone + dsl, typically
23:00 < Wombert> 1) was referring to Oz
23:00 < Wombert> not germany
23:01 < trophaeum_> 1 thats nice for some things but for basic tv shows i could really care less about hdtv generally, i care for things that i really get into but for a tv show... not interested enough
23:01 < Wombert> and seriously
23:01 < trophaeum_> 3 yea, au is a ripoff when it comes to most things in general with this stuff
23:01 < Wombert> you get lost episodes about a year before we do :p
23:05 < trophaeum_> i must say, slots were really hurting my head last night, i need to sit down with them and go through it again tonight
23:06 < Wombert> if I can help...
23:06 < trophaeum_> its somewhat painful in not being able to access data that was set on certain layers from a slot (correct me if im wrong... please correct me haha)
23:06 < Wombert> I'll be here for the next, mh, 10 or so hours
23:06 < Wombert> trophaeum_: that's intentional
23:06 < Wombert> of course, you can give a slot data to work with
23:10 < trophaeum_> can i pass it to a slot from a action?
23:10 < Wombert> from a view, yes
23:10 < Wombert> the third argument to createSlotContainer() can be an array
23:11 < Wombert> this array will be used as request parameters in the request data of the slot
23:11 < Wombert> or you set a RequestDataHolder
23:11 < Wombert> that way, you can also "fake" headers, cookies, files for a slot if you like
23:11 < Wombert> if your slot is defined in a layout
23:12 < Wombert> $this->getLayer('layername')->getSlot('slotname')->getArguments()->setParameters(array(...));
23:12 < Wombert> I think
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23:16 < trophaeum_> hmmmm, sweet, ill play more with that tonight then
23:16 < Wombert> why do you need so many slots with outside information?
23:16 < trophaeum_> there really is quite a learning curve to agavi :( i can see its good once you know it but fsck its hurting my head a bit
23:17 < trophaeum_> pagination slot that i feed a propelpager object
23:17 < trophaeum_> pagination for anything based off of the propelpager object
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23:52  * impl sneez
--- Day changed Mon Aug 20 2007
00:02 < impl> Wombert: What're you staying up all night for?
00:02 < Wombert> fucking work
00:02 < impl> :(
00:02 < Wombert> because fucking cow-workers don't do their job properly
00:03 < Wombert> and
00:03 < Wombert> ah well
00:03 < impl> you should rub your penis around the rim of their coffee mugs for great justice
00:03 < Wombert> haha
00:03 < Wombert> actually
00:03 < Wombert> it was just one of them :p
00:03 < Wombert> the other one is still here, too
00:04 < Wombert> teh plan is to work through the night
00:04 < impl> on a Sunday/Monday too :(
00:04 < Wombert> and then to reward ourselves with a breakfast at... mmh... somewhere
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01:57 < Wombert> boooooh
01:58 < impl> hooooob
01:59 < Wombert> friggen frigg
02:15 < Wombert> now it works
02:15 < Wombert> my fault :P
02:15 < Wombert> in fact, ext/soap's fault
02:15 < Wombert> did you know...
02:15 < Wombert> ext/soap maps soap longs to php ints
02:15 < Wombert> clever, eh?
02:15 < Wombert> ...
02:15 < impl> Quite..
02:18 < Wombert> soooo
02:18 < Wombert> did you install php6 yet, impl? :p
02:18 < impl> It's a long story that involves failed kernel upgrades
02:19 < Wombert> a coworker here really cracked me up the other day
02:19 < Wombert> he realized that someone else would be gone for a couple of days
02:19 < Wombert> and everyone here has pretty nice dell 24" monitors
02:19 < Wombert> so he grabbed the other one
02:19 < Wombert> found a dvi cable
02:19 < Wombert> hooked it up
02:20 < Wombert> and gave up after two hours or so of trying to get ubuntu to play along
02:20 < Wombert> => linux on the desktop = useless
02:20 < impl> haha
02:20 < Wombert> I keep telling them... pkefc
02:20 < impl> Well, it's entirely my fault because I insist upon fucking with things
02:20 < impl> pkefc?
02:21 < Wombert> http://tinyurl.com/pkefc
02:21 < impl> Oh right
02:21 < impl> can't ever remember that one ;p
02:21 < Wombert> :>
02:21 < impl> impl@mizuho]% ./configure --prefix=/home/impl/builds/php/php6.0-200708192030 --with-apxs=/usr/bin/apxs2
02:21 < impl> do I need anything else?
02:22 < Wombert> um, err, uhm
02:22 < Wombert> not sure
02:22 < Wombert> extensions?
02:22 < impl> yeah
02:22 < Wombert> which ones, you mean?
02:22 < impl> Yup :p
02:22  * impl waits for the Agavi site to load
02:22 < Wombert> atleast
02:23 < impl> (I only have 1.5mbps of bandwidth and it's being eaten by downloads right now)
02:23 < Wombert> dom
02:23 < Wombert> libxml
02:23 < Wombert> SPL
02:23 < Wombert> Reflection
02:23 < Wombert> pcre
02:23 < Wombert> xsl
02:23 < Wombert> tokenizer
02:23 < Wombert> session
02:23 < Wombert> xmlrpc
02:23 < Wombert> PDO
02:23 < Wombert> no wait, everything as of xsl is optional
02:23 < Wombert> but the core ones aren't in the list
02:23 < impl> alright, let's see how this goes then ;)
02:24 < Wombert> './configure' '--prefix=/usr/local/php5' '--with-apxs' '--with-config-file-scan-dir=/usr/local/php5/php.d' '--with-iconv' '--with-openssl=/usr' '--with-zlib=/usr' '--with-gd' '--with-zlib-dir=/usr' '--with-ldap' '--with-xmlrpc' '--with-iconv-dir=/usr' '--with-snmp=/usr' '--enable-exif' '--enable-wddx' '--enable-soap' '--enable-sqlite-utf8' '--enable-ftp' '--enable-sockets' '--enable-dbx' '--enable-dbase' '--enable-mbstring' '--enable-calendar' '--enable-bcmat
02:24 < Wombert> mine :p
02:24 < impl> ahh thanks
02:24 < Wombert> lotsa crap in there prolly
02:25 < Wombert> like openssl, gonna take forevah, mind ye
02:25 < Wombert> wddx, gd, openssl, snmp, exif, ldap, xmlrpc, iconv
02:25 < Wombert> all not needed
02:25 < Wombert> imap
02:25 < Wombert> kerberos
02:25 < Wombert> freetype
02:25 < Wombert> OUT
02:25 < Wombert> !
02:25 < Wombert> :>
02:27 < impl> ugh gotta install icu
02:28 < Wombert> ehehehe
02:28 < Wombert> :>
02:40 < MugeSo> I guess that context::getModel don't support flyweight pattern like it returns the same instance for the same initialize parameter
02:42 < MugeSo> so now I create FactoryClass as SingltonModel.
02:43 < MugeSo> When I use flyweight pattern.
02:43 < Wombert> yeah
02:43 < impl> We have an ISingletonModel don't we?
02:43 < Wombert> yes but that#s not flyweight patternish
02:44 < Wombert> MugeSo: is agavi still used in japan?
02:44 < Wombert> you used 0.10, right?
02:44 < MugeSo> yes
02:44 < Wombert> the japanese developer community is a little isolated somehow; you don't hear a lot from over there
02:44 < Wombert> I just sometimes see blog postings about agavi and changes in svn
02:44 < Wombert> and then, snap
02:45 < Wombert> all following postings are about symfony or so ;)
02:45 < Wombert> so... do you like 0.11? :)
02:47 < MugeSo> yeah, agavi is still minor in japan.. symfony, cakePHP and ZendFramework are major.
02:47 < MugeSo> but of course, I like agavi. and 0.11
02:47 < MugeSo> :-)
02:53 < MugeSo> ...say, I suggest suporting FlyweightModel like SingletomModel. 
03:02 < MugeSo> in fact, agavi is official framework in our office!
03:02 < Wombert> yeeehaaaa!
03:02 < Wombert> :)
03:02 < Wombert> a big company?
03:02 < Wombert> :)
03:03 < MugeSo> no.. only two engineers..
03:04 < Wombert> ;)
03:06 < MugeSo> :(
03:12 < MugeSo> one service is working on agavi 0.9, two or three servie on 0.10, and one service is beeing developed on 0.11
03:14 < MugeSo> oh! it's time for lunch. and I should go out after lunch.
03:15 < MugeSo> bey :)
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06:04 < v-dogg> huomenta
06:04 < Wombert> morning v-dogg 
06:05  * impl pushes Wombert out the door to get breakfast
06:05 < Wombert> really can't
06:05 < Wombert> must be done with the most important stuff till 10
06:05 < impl> You need to eat, it'll make you more productive anyway
06:05 < Wombert> then I can afford eating breakfast :P
06:06 < Wombert> I've had two 30 minute naps tonight :üp
06:06 < impl> :<
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06:50 < _cheerios> huomenta!
06:50 < Wombert> hai
06:51 < _cheerios> scaring me with such quick replies .p
06:51 < Wombert> been in the office for 23 hours nonstop :p
06:51 < _cheerios> did you sleep at all, or 3hrs?
06:51 < Wombert> no
06:51 < Wombert> two 30min naps :p
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06:52 < _cheerios> ugh :| yeah, i saw you all over the logs last night
06:53 < _cheerios> rented a van for friday. a Ford Transit.
06:54 < Wombert> cool
06:54 < _cheerios> now i just have to remember how to drive
06:54 < Wombert> now you need some folks to help
06:54 < Wombert> lawl
06:54 < _cheerios> i drive only once every two-three years, so it's kind of a blur always
06:54 < Wombert> oh
06:54 < _cheerios> watch out for the guys on the left, or was it right etc.
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06:56 < _cheerios> morning digitarald 
06:57 < digitarald> Huomenta!
06:57 < Wombert> hai
06:57 < v-dogg> you sounds like Mark McGoldrick - a banker how worked 21-hour days
06:57 < Wombert> not quite
06:58 < trophaeum> Wombert, ur not far off it this week
06:58 < Wombert> I've worked two hours more than him already, and I'd guess he still got away richer
06:58 < v-dogg> just that he got $70 million salary + $500 million bonus
06:58 < Wombert> see
06:58 < Wombert> thanks
06:58 < Wombert> that's just what I needed right now :p
06:58 < v-dogg> you'r welcome :)
06:58 < trophaeum> Wombert, me thinks u need sleep more than that :P
06:58 < Wombert> uh huh
06:58 < Wombert> three more features to implement
06:59 < Wombert> then do the project management job I shouldn't be doing and file some reports
06:59 < Wombert> then file bug reports
06:59 < Wombert> then maybe go home in ze afternoon
06:59 < v-dogg> but this story continues: Mr. McGoldrick wanted 1,2 billion bonus and didn't get it so he quit
07:00 < v-dogg> $500 just wasn't enough, you see
07:00 < v-dogg> +millions :)
07:00 < Wombert> I don't ever need that much
07:00 < _cheerios> i read that story. pretty jaw-dropping.
07:00 < Wombert> I only need enough to buy an Aston Martin DBS
07:00 < Wombert> oh god people are arriving
07:00 < Wombert> which means it gets loud in a bit
07:02 < _cheerios> better adjust the shades too, sunlight soon to fill the office. :p
07:03 < trophaeum> Wombert, do my trick, headphones with music cranking
07:05 < Wombert> left my headphones in munich
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07:51 < RossC0> huomenta!
07:53 < Wombert> hai
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08:25 < SunboX> is it possible to use Master template of module Default in other modules?
08:25 < SunboX> i got this error:
08:25 < SunboX>    Template "Master" could not be found. Paths tried:
08:25 < SunboX> C:\Apache\xampp\htdocs\oe3\www\app/modules/Paperbin/templates/de_DE/Master.php
08:26 < Wombert> yes, of course
08:26 < Wombert> you just need to set the directory
08:26 < SunboX> how?
08:26 < v-dogg> SunboX: you might also want to put your Master into app/templates
08:26 < Wombert> or that
08:26 < SunboX> ah ok
08:27 < SunboX> how to i tell agavi to look into app/templates?
08:27 < v-dogg> <parameter name="directory">%core.template_dir%</parameter>
08:28 < SunboX> thx :o)
08:28 < v-dogg> for the decorator layer in output_types.xml
08:28 < v-dogg> or $this->setDirectory in View, iirc
08:29 < Wombert> $layer->...
08:29 < v-dogg> ah, of course :)
08:29 < SunboX> does work!
08:29 < SunboX> thx a lot
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08:33 < Whisller> Morning
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09:01 < RossC0> Wombert you got a minute?
09:01 < Wombert> barely
09:01 < Wombert> but shoot
09:05 < RossC0> I know you didn't like the idea of a Slot Population filter - but I have done some code to implement one and its cool - the only problem I'm having is the auto repopulation of the form / throwing errors
09:06 < RossC0> so would you look at my code and see if I should a) continue with the filter or b) scrap it and go for doing it all in the view
09:06 < RossC0> http://pastie.caboo.se/private/8txrtjphieoaig3rsf
09:06 < RossC0> :D
09:06 < RossC0> btw - currently its an action filter
09:08 < RossC0> the automatic storing of slots and errors works.  The redirecting back to the original action works - its just the repopulation at 131 where its failing
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09:17 < Wombert_> re
09:17 < trophaeum> go sleep already woman
09:18 < Wombert_> orgive me, RossC0, but I've been in the office for 25 hours already and I need to get some more bugs fixed and then file a hundred bug reports and then do stupid management things and go ove project plans and then maybe I can go home and get some sleep
09:18 < Wombert_> and when I'm back, I'll be glad to check out you filter
09:18 < Wombert_> cool?
09:19 < RossC0> yeah no worries
09:19 < RossC0> sorry didnt realise!
09:19 < RossC0> others are free to comment !
09:20 < Wombert_> how would you know!
09:20  * Wombert_ hugs RossC0 
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10:26 < RossC0> woot SPF works :D
10:42 < _cheerios> what does it do?
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10:51 < RossC0> saves a submitted slot's state and redirects to the main view 
10:53 < RossC0> * main action - so the slot is displayed with errors in the original situation
10:54 < RossC0> requires a couple of patches
10:57 < digitarald> SPF?
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11:02 < RossC0> digitarald: its a work in progress
11:05 < MikeSeth> mmp.. how do I cause FPF to log exceptions again?
11:14 < RossC0> hmm not used that
11:14 < RossC0> remember it being mentioned and cant find it in the logs
11:20 < digitarald> Can anybody recommend a PHP book? RossC0, Wombert, v-dogg, SunboX, MikeSeth, _cheerios?
11:20 < digitarald> *wildpingaround*
11:20 < _cheerios> i've never read a book dealing with php
11:21 < v-dogg> I have read one or two and they all suck more or less
11:21 < _cheerios> ask yourself what you're looking to learn and narrow it down a bit
11:22 < digitarald> I just see that u all share my opinion ;)
11:22 < v-dogg> all php books seem to be aimed at beginners 
11:23 < RossC0> http://www.amazon.com/PHP-5-Objects-Patterns-Practice/dp/1590593804
11:24 < RossC0> also read http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-PHP-Programming-George-Schlossnagle/dp/0672325616/ when learning php - can't remember much about that one thou
11:24 < _cheerios> yer, time better spent dabbling with uml, patterns, algos, software engineering practices, etc.
11:27 < Wombert_> MikeSeth: just enable logging
11:28 < Wombert_> word
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11:28 < Wombet> nono
11:28 < Wombet> not my name
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11:29 < _cheerios> just enabling logging did not print out the original source? or is that changed with latest agavi vers?
11:31 < Wombert> it logs the souce
11:31 < Wombert> source
11:31 < Wombert> doesn't display it
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11:55 < digitarald> snipsnap
12:01 < RossC0> ?
12:02 < Wombert> http://netmagnet.ro/rrainn/gags/backup.gif
12:02 < RossC0> :D
12:29 < SunboX> why do i get this exception:
12:29 < SunboX>    Couldn't find parser for file extension .xml
12:30 < SunboX> if i change bootstrap from "development" to "production"
12:30 < SunboX> ?
12:30 < SunboX> if its set to "development" all works fine
12:31 < SunboX> at exception origin
12:31 < SunboX> in core.agavi_dir\config\AgaviConfigCache.class.php line 323
12:34 < MikeSeth> SunboX: either something is missing in the config, or you need to clear the cache
12:35 < SunboX> ah ok, clearing the cache has solved the problem
12:35 < SunboX> thx again!
12:36 < SunboX> ups
12:36 < SunboX> only for the first time
12:36 < MikeSeth> hmm?
12:36 < SunboX> second load and the proplem is there again
12:36 < v-dogg> do you have some custom stuff in config_handlers.xml?
12:36 < SunboX> i've used it in an module
12:37 < SunboX> i will try to post the code
12:37 < SunboX> one moment...
12:38 < SunboX> http://pastie.caboo.se/private/2x6iuqdyluoewblrrb
12:38 < Wombert> I heard that the other day
12:38 < Wombert> was that you?
12:38 < SunboX> yes
12:38 < SunboX> same problem
12:38 < SunboX> still not fixed
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12:46 < SunboX> is there a way to check if config is cached?
12:46 < SunboX> seems there is a problem if the config ill trie to load is alrady loaded
12:47 < SunboX> if i empty the cache it works the first time
12:48 < SunboX> than no more
12:49 < MikeSeth> SunboX: can it be that you're using default XMLs from an older Agavi version?
12:50 < v-dogg> $sections = include(AgaviConfigCache::checkConfig(AgaviConfig::get('core.app_dir') . '/../data/sqlitemanual.xml'));
12:50 < v-dogg> hmm... no, wait, that might not be what you want
12:51 < SunboX> hm, i think not so. I started using agavi 0.11
12:51 < SunboX> cant remember to use older xml
12:51 < MikeSeth> SunboX: just to be sure, copy the latest default XML files (without destroying your customization of course)
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12:59 < MugeSo> I've just learned that SPL has many Exceptions.
13:00 < MikeSeth> Welcome to the SPL hater club
13:00 < MugeSo> :)
13:01 < Wombert> spl rox
13:01 < MikeSeth> Wombert: now that I think of it, why aren't slots populated in a separate filter? Wouldn't that be flexible?
13:03 < RossC0> MikeSeth: I have a Slot Population Filter running
13:03 < RossC0> and working :D
13:03 < RossC0> I shall write a ticket later with details / patches in
13:04 < MikeSeth> RossC0: thats why I'm asking! Is there any architectural reason not to do that? any disadvantages? Such a filter would allow for fine grained control of slots
13:04 < Wombert> ?
13:04 < MikeSeth> Wombert: thats a question to you, mr. Master Wizard ;)
13:05 < RossC0> ?
13:05  * RossC0 nods Wombert is a Wizard :D
13:06 < MikeSeth> uhm, wtf 
13:08 < MikeSeth> validator fails -> something happens -> a completely irrelevant action is executed and wrong output is returned -> fpf breaks -> exception
13:13 < SunboX> ok...i've solved the problem
13:13 < SunboX> 3 classes were missed in agavi/config/defaults/autoload.xml
13:13 < MikeSeth> I was right, wasn't I?
13:14 < SunboX> AgaviConfigParser / AgaviConfigValueHolder and AgaviXmlConfigParser
13:14 < SunboX> yes maybe, i've added them by hand ;o)
13:22 < MikeSeth> god damnit WTF
13:23 < MikeSeth> does agavi do something special after the error view is executed when validation fails?
13:23 < v-dogg> no
13:23 < MikeSeth> I cant figure out wtf is happening
13:23 < MikeSeth> after the Error view, the output returned is from my index page
13:23 < MikeSeth> (breaking the FPF)
13:25 < v-dogg> everything is still normal in your error view?
13:26 < MikeSeth> yeah, but I dont understand wtf happens when execution leaves it
13:26 < MikeSeth> oh. Wait.
13:26 < MikeSeth> god damnit, now it's even worse.
13:27 < MikeSeth> When does FPF restore the form values from the previous request? what's the condition
13:28 < v-dogg> form action == current url or agaviparameterholder is manualle set ('populate', $parameterholde, 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter')
13:29 < v-dogg> the first one only for the methods fpf is set to work 
13:29 < v-dogg> (i.e read and/or write) 
13:30 < MikeSeth> umm the url doesnt change indeed
13:30 < MikeSeth> I have a handleError() method that returns the view name. Hmmm.. is the view f***king up something?
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13:42 < MugeSo> I think it's a quick way to  know wtf that check who call the view returns output wtih backtrace. use debug_backtrace() or throw exception.
13:51 < MikeSeth> yeah.
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13:52 < E_mE> huomenta :D
13:54 < Wombert> finally
13:54 < Wombert> after 30 hours
13:54 < Wombert> home ->
13:55 < MikeSeth> :/
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14:00 < E_mE> hi mike
14:06 < MikeSeth> sup
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14:09 < RossC0> hmm a colleague has a php script which checks the server for the host and its ok when he runs from commandline.
14:09 < RossC0> however when he runs it in a cron job it doesn't
14:09 < RossC0> anyone have any ideas why that might be?
14:10 < v-dogg> does he use an absolute path to the script?
14:10 < RossC0> yes
14:10 < v-dogg> then I don't know
14:10 < RossC0> wierd
14:10 < RossC0> ha well
14:10 < RossC0> his problem :>
14:12 < MikeSeth> UHHHHHHHHH
14:14 < E_mE> if ive got a folder called /var/www/segi and have pub/ and app/ in that folder, how is best for me to configure apache to point /var/www/segi to the pub folder?
14:14 < E_mE> without pub/ being visible in the address bar
14:15 < MikeSeth> E_mE: symlink? ;)
14:15 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: I dont know wtf is going on, but after a post request validation fails, the FPF doesnt repopulate the form. It comes up empty.
14:16 < E_mE> MikeSeth: create a symlink called segi in the /var/www directory to point to /var/www/segilive/pub/ ?
14:18 < MikeSeth> no, rather pub => whatever/segi/whatever
14:19 < MikeSeth> or maybe pub/foo => foo/pub/ etc
14:19 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, make sure you're calling the right action :)
14:20 < E_mE> i just did the way i described and appear to work.. but im sure there will be some flaw it it hehe
14:20 < MugeSo> RossC0: if you write cron job with  -c option to specify php.ini, it runs?
14:21 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: I *am*.
14:21 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: it does get invoked, and validator does run.
14:21 < MikeSeth> oh uhmmm
14:24 < MikeSeth> nope. validator fails -> action reexecuted -> item values not loaded.
14:24 < MugeSo> according to my experience, php called as cron job sometimes run with different php.ini or without php.ini
14:24 < MikeSeth> hmmm
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14:24 < MikeSeth> MugeSo: should never happen in a proper packaging system
14:25 < MugeSo> yeah.
14:26 < MikeSeth> doesnt happen in Debian etc ;)
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14:27 < RossC0> MugeSo: I'll ask
14:27 < MugeSo> actually it happened with hand built php.
14:28 < RossC0> MikeSeth - dunno who build the php on that box
14:28 < MugeSo> RossC0: what?
14:29 < MikeSeth> SONOFABITCH
14:29 < RossC0> MikeSeth: MugeSo: should never happen in a proper packaging system
14:29 < MikeSeth> FPF miscalculates the final action URLs. God damnit.
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14:32 < MugeSo> of course
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14:38 < MikeSeth> finally
14:38 < MikeSeth> finally I fixed it
14:38 < MikeSeth> Wombert: your advice cost me an hour of debugging. And I have attained a great enlightenment into the nature of FPF 
14:39 < Wombert> huh?
14:39 < E_mE> can i not use $this->setAttribute() in app/lib/ProjectBaseView.php??
14:39 < v-dogg> of course you can
14:40 < Wombert> sure you can
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14:40 < MikeSeth> Wombert: remember how we argued whether the edited item's id parameter should be a hidden input in the form or a part of URL?
14:41 < E_mE> i'm getting: Fatal error: Call to a member function setAttribute() on a non-object in /usr/share/php/agavi/view/AgaviView.class.php on line 452
14:41 < MikeSeth> E_mE: $this is a non-object? *rubs eyes*
14:41 < v-dogg> something else wrong there now :)
14:42 < v-dogg> 452         $this->container->setAttribute($name, $value);
14:42 < E_mE> $this is refering to ProjectBaseView.php
14:43 < RossC0> Wombert - why are you still awake??
14:43  * RossC0 worries :D
14:43 < _cheerios> sleeptalking!
14:44 < v-dogg> but the non-object is $this->container, not $this
14:44 < E_mE> :S
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14:46 < E_mE> shall i do pastebin or am i being little backwards?
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14:50 < E_mE> anyone got any ideasa?
14:52 < MikeSeth> pastebin indeed
14:54 < E_mE> http://pastebin.ca/664426
14:58 < MikeSeth> E_mE: but it doesnt crash in that code
14:58 < MikeSeth> E_mE: it crashes in AgaviView
14:59 < MikeSeth> Oh.
14:59 < MikeSeth> Duh, I'll tell you what ;)
14:59 < RossC0> E_mE: initialise the parent
14:59 < MikeSeth> initialize() is an internal View function. 
14:59 < E_mE> :S
15:00 < MikeSeth> you should call parent:: before doing anything. It doesn't have context loaded unless you do
15:00 < RossC0> ^ and as such needs the executionContainer
15:00 < MikeSeth> so $this->getContext() returns null
15:00 < MikeSeth> and no container, too
15:00 < RossC0> public function initialize(AgaviExecutionContainer $container) {
15:00 < RossC0> parent::initialize($container);
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15:00 < RossC0> $this->setAttribute('now works', 'nice');
15:00 < MikeSeth> E_mE: yeah, don't pass stuff like pageTitle through initialize()
15:01 < E_mE> i wanted to create a object to pass all initilizing parameters 
15:01 < MikeSeth> RossC0: ..., 'org.agavi.borat');
15:01 < RossC0> :D
15:01 < E_mE> hehe
15:01 < E_mE> thanx both of you!
15:03 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, what was the cause of your problem earlier?
15:03 < E_mE> in fact im going to just rename the whole function configPage() instead :) much safer
15:04 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: well basically I had action foo/edit, the form of the editor had a hidden field named id
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15:04 < MikeSeth> Wombie convinced me that's a bad idea and id should be carried in url, like foo/1/edit
15:05 < MikeSeth> of course it has never occured to me that after validation failure, the form would be rendered without the id value, resulting in an action url looking like foo//edit
15:05 < MikeSeth> so FPF wouldn't refill the form after validation failure.
15:06 < MikeSeth> i spent more than an hour trying to figure out wtf is wrong and didnt catch up on it until I started planting breakpoints in FPF to see where it bails
15:07 < MikeSeth> as soon as I explicitly had the editor view export the ID value from url to the form, it started working.
15:07 < _cheerios> mmm.. why wouldnt the hidden value be re-populated?
15:07 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: because it wasnt a hidden value anymore ;)
15:07 < _cheerios> huh?
15:08 < SunboX> i got an fpf error when input contains "ö" or so... the acceppt-cahrset of the form is utf-8... why is that so?
15:08 < SunboX>    Form Population Filter encountered an error while performing final regular expression replaces on the output.
15:08 < SunboX> The error reported by preg_last_error() indicates that the input contained malformed UTF-8 data.
15:08 < MikeSeth> I had a form like this: <form action=gen('action')><input type=hidden name=id value="$template[item][id]">
15:08 < MikeSeth> when wombie advised me to change the code, I did this
15:09 < MikeSeth> <form action=gen('action', array('id' => $template[item][id]))>
15:09 < MikeSeth> it hasnt occured to me that during reinvocation after validation failure $template[item] wouldnt be set
15:10 < MikeSeth> so the reinvoked form was created with action missing the ID
15:10 < _cheerios> shouldnt make an ounce of difference, unless you were prepopulating your form in the action
15:10 < MikeSeth> no no no no
15:10 < MikeSeth> in my original code, the id field was a hidden input and it was populated
15:11 < MikeSeth> but when I switched to wombie's scheme, the id value left the form and became a part of the URL
15:11 < _cheerios> ah, yeah, that there probably would die.
15:11 < MikeSeth> however, the action URL of the form wasnt build properly
15:11 < _cheerios> cant make variables from air, not even fpf 
15:11 < MikeSeth> so I learned a valuable lesson :)
15:11 < _cheerios> gotcha :)
15:12 < SunboX> ahhh... i used strtolower
15:12 < SunboX> fck php
15:12 < MikeSeth> SunboX: hmmmmmmmm, this shouldnt happen. Are you sure you didnt damage the utf8 somehow?
15:12 < MikeSeth> ah
15:12 < MikeSeth> haha
15:12 < MikeSeth> happens
15:12 < SunboX> no, strtolower returns invalid utf-8
15:13 < MikeSeth> SunboX: strtolower is unaware of utf8 IMO
15:14 < MikeSeth> SunboX: you need to set the locale for it to work correctly. Something Agavi can do for you if you tell it to 
15:14 < MikeSeth> SunboX: use mb_strtolower
15:14 < SunboX> k, thx :o)
15:16 < SunboX> works now :D
15:16 < MikeSeth> winner!
15:16 < SunboX> *smile
15:18 < _cheerios> --> jog
15:19 < MikeSeth> --> milkshake
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15:58 < _cheerios> one sweaty developer reporting in!
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16:21 < _cheerios> hmm, creatine milkshakes
16:27 < Wombert> zomg
16:33 < RossC0> eek
16:34 < RossC0> right nearly time for me to head home! 
16:35 < RossC0> Wombert: I got Slot Population Filter up and running :D
16:35 < Wombert> ace
16:35 < RossC0> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/561
16:35 < Wombert> can we talk tomorrow, yeh?
16:35 < RossC0> suer can :D
16:35 < RossC0> *sure
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19:02 < _cheerios> gotta love when irony strikes on the interweb:
19:03 < _cheerios> http://converdge.com/expertise
19:03 < _cheerios> "Warning: mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Link to server lost, unable to reconnect in /var/www/converdge/docs/mysql.class.php on line 550
19:03 < _cheerios> Notice: Use of undefined constant E_MYSQL_CONNECT - assumed 'E_MYSQL_CONNECT' in /var/www/converdge/docs/mysql.class.php on line 34
19:03 < _cheerios> critical error"
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20:43 < _cheerios> MikeSeth: does doctrine have toArray/fromArray generation like Propel?
20:48 < _cheerios> wtf. i know some of the authors of doctrine
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21:45 < trophaeum> Wombert, u better have slept by now :P
21:45 < Wombert> actually, I haven't :p
21:46  * impl gives Wombert some crack
21:46 < _cheerios> !
21:47 < trophaeum> lol, sleep already woman!
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23:18 < impl> I don't know how PHP6 is passing mbstring tests...
23:18 < impl> Ooh, this one faulted.
23:43 < impl> Wombert: any ideas for Config::import/export?
23:46 < impl> Wombert: Someone suggested fromArray and toArray
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00:19 < trophaeum_> going from 1gig->2gig in this work box... ahhhhh so much better
00:20 < impl> :D
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01:07 < MugeSo> huomenta
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05:41 < digitarald> Huomenta!
05:47 < digitarald> anyobody using RossC0's FPF patch?
05:47 < impl> Link?
05:48 < digitarald> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/303
05:54 < impl> Interesting dealie..
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06:41 < MikeSeth> huomenta
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06:45 < _cheerios> huomenta
06:48 < codecop> huoment
06:48 < codecop> aa
06:48 < _cheerios> digitarald, I've tried RossCo's FPF patch. Didn't endup using it, but it's a bit of a blur as I can't remember why
06:54 < v-dogg> huomenta
07:10 < digitarald> why are so many different pattern support in expandVariables?
07:10 < digitarald> ... $foo, ${foo} or {$foo}
07:11 < digitarald> why those, not more or less?
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07:13 < digitarald> RossC0, want expandVariables for mootools? :D
07:13 < RossC0> Huomenta!
07:14 < RossC0> whats expandVariables?
07:14 < RossC0> and yes
07:14 < RossC0> I must have M-U-S-T MUST!
07:14 < digitarald> the AgaviToolkit helper
07:15 < RossC0> sweet
07:18 < digitarald> is String::expand a good name for it?
07:20 < _cheerios> HashCookie::expand
07:23 < _cheerios> http://www.theonion.com/content/magazine/the_smug_little_shit_behind
07:23 < digitarald> RossC0: http://p.caboo.se/private/cxnrrvggwglfpbzj4y
07:24 < digitarald> allowed placeholders: ${name}, ${name|default}, {$name}, {$name|default}
07:24 < digitarald> and {$name|"default"}
07:25 < digitarald> or ''
07:25 < _cheerios> that looks really sweet
07:25 < _cheerios> (had no idea what you guys were hand-waving about before)
07:25 < digitarald> i thought defaut values are useful, for lazy coders
07:26 < RossC0> those examples right?
07:26 < RossC0> "{$name} was rated {$rating|0} times.".expand({name: 'John', rating: 5}); // returns "John was rated 1 times"
07:26 < digitarald> ahm
07:27 < RossC0> shouldn't that be  "John was rated 5 times"
07:27 < digitarald> scribbled :D
07:27 < digitarald> yes
07:27 < RossC0> cool
07:27 < digitarald> i can edit
07:27 < RossC0> also "Row ${row} deleted, ${rows} missing.".expand({row: 1}); // returns "Row 1 deleted."
07:27 < RossC0> cool
07:27 < RossC0> kinda js templating
07:28 < digitarald> there is no if
07:28 < digitarald> i added the examples in the pastie :D
07:28 < digitarald> it does not skip that part
07:28 < digitarald> but i can add something like that
07:28 < digitarald> how would that syntax be?
07:29 < digitarald> another idea
07:29 < digitarald> i can add those options the ${...}
07:30 < digitarald> ${name|prepend-append}
07:34 < MikeSeth> RossC0: what does your blog run on?
07:34 < RossC0> digitarald: don't skip it
07:34 < RossC0> mephisto
07:34 < MikeSeth> RossC0: nonsuck?
07:34 < RossC0> I like it - just wish I had more time to blog
07:34 < RossC0> its nicely hackable
07:35 < MikeSeth> We need our own blog engine. Really.
07:35 < RossC0> I'm nonplussed - I was going to write a blog in merb - but whats the point
07:36 < RossC0> there are 100's of blogs - for me it would become an exercise of boredom as I would be lazy and not add anything new
07:36 < digitarald> RossC0, don't skip what?
07:36 < RossC0> digitarald: it does not skip that part
07:36 < RossC0> digitarald: but i can add something like that
07:36 < RossC0> I wouldn't skip it
07:37 < _cheerios> aye, need that group of ppl for a crazy active blog that rakes in the green
07:37 < digitarald> an if syntax would be nice
07:37 < digitarald> but thats not possible with that syntax now
07:37 < RossC0> maybe have an option to fill in missed vars
07:37 < digitarald> thats after the |
07:37 < digitarald> ${name|"Help, I'm missing"}
07:38 < RossC0> cool
07:38 < RossC0> keeps it simple :D
07:40 < digitarald> no default values means ''
07:40 < digitarald> and when u give true as second argument it does not replace the var when its not given and has no default value
07:41 < MikeSeth> what's this creepy syntax? smarty?
07:41 < MikeSeth> digitarald: IIRC it goes like ${foo|default:"bar"} in Smarty
07:42 < MikeSeth> actually {$foo|default:"bar"}
07:42 < _cheerios> could be smarty. use $foo, or if it's empty print "bar" ?
07:42 < MikeSeth> thats the smarty syntax as I recall it, yes
07:43 < digitarald> who needs smarty
07:43 < digitarald> expand is just a simple var replacer
07:44 < digitarald> maybe i should take out defaults
07:44 < RossC0> digitarald - remove defaults
07:44 < RossC0> or always ignore the var when no default given
07:44 < RossC0> make it simple
07:45 < RossC0> if people miss a hash key and value then there bad
07:45 < RossC0> *thier
07:45 < RossC0> *their
07:45 < RossC0> ZOMG
07:45 < RossC0> KAN N0T TpYE
07:45 < RossC0> :D
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07:50 < digitarald> ignore a var means not replacing it or replace it with ''?
07:51 < RossC0> not replacing it
07:51 < RossC0> I dunno - actually allow all
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07:52 < RossC0> then everyone will be happy
07:52 < RossC0> expand({row: 1}, true) - sets default if it doesn't exist to ''
07:52 < RossC0> otherwise use the default if it exists, otherwise output the missing var
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08:27 < digitarald> RossC0: http://p.caboo.se/private/tyk8eelpdwmpirkgpt
08:30 < RossC0> String.expandPattern ?
08:31 < RossC0> looks sweete
08:31 < RossC0> sweet
08:37 < MikeSeth> hmmmm
08:37 < MikeSeth> I need to place a quite long editable FAQ on a site I'm working on
08:37 < MikeSeth> I wonder if I should keep the content in the database
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08:41 < _cheerios> for such faq's, something i'd like is the auto generation of the a links, for each entry, so they can be linked against #section-2-2 etc.
08:45 < RossC0> MikeSeth: could keep in the db then cache the output
08:46 < MikeSeth> RossC0: also right
08:53 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: doesnt routing do that already?
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08:55 < _cheerios> not that i can think of
08:58 < RossC0> yeah you can supply fragment to the gen options param 
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09:02 < _cheerios> doesn't that leaves spaces in the fragment, plus what about special chars ?
09:04 < RossC0> Any apache experts here?
09:04 < RossC0> apache isn't serving my full content - its missing some of the footer html 
09:05 < RossC0> strange thing is its only doing it on one vhost on the dev box
09:05 < RossC0> the bad thing is its the staging vhost! and is causing some bad errors
09:07 < SunboX2666> he RossC0, how can i use flash messages in action and in view?
09:07 < RossC0> SunboX2666: I just set them up in the View
09:07 < MikeSeth> amazing
09:07 < RossC0> and then my master template outputs them
09:08 < MikeSeth> there's this girl I knew for years over IRC, a brilliant coder
09:08 < SunboX2666> yes, but wouldn't it be nice to the in action too?
09:08 < MikeSeth> if you used ircii you probably used her code
09:08 < MikeSeth> and it turns out she's a gay man!
09:08 < RossC0> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/487
09:09 < RossC0> Well sure you can use it in the action - but then you must access it via the session
09:09 < RossC0> or extend the BaseAction to do that for you
09:09 < SunboX2666> hm, yes if i extend both, no more flash message are displayed
09:10 < SunboX2666> i'll take a look
09:10 < MikeSeth> RossC0: now we need Rails-style RJS
09:10 < RossC0> ah ok - the flash->read method is destructive
09:11 < RossC0> it also cleans the messages - so they dont get saved in the session
09:11 < RossC0> MikeSeth: eek RJS
09:11 < MikeSeth> RossC0: I hate the implementation, but the idea is right
09:12 < SunboX2666> the idea is good, i need something like that
09:12 < RossC0> MikeSeth: I dunno - I can see why its popular - but I like writing JS and think the best language to do it in is JS
09:13 < RossC0> well more precisely in MOO!
09:14 < MikeSeth> moo rox
09:17 < _cheerios> heh @ Mike's girls
09:17 < RossC0> any ideas on the Apache issue anyone heard similar
09:17 < _cheerios> "missing part of footer" ? like its being cut off, or totally missing?
09:19 < RossC0> yeah its cutting off the html
09:19 < RossC0> so it ends without the full ahref and no end div tags / body
09:19 < RossC0> also sometimes on next requests it outputs that and then the apache headers!
09:19 < RossC0> screwy
09:20  * RossC0 hoping google will be his friend!
09:20 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: nevertheless a brilliant coder. And I will keep thinking of her as she and refer to her as she
09:20 < _cheerios> I'll never ask you to hook me up.
09:21 < _cheerios> RossC0, sounds bizarre. gl.
09:21 < MikeSeth> kekeke.
09:23 < _cheerios> iirc, only once i've found the footer html erroneous and that was with mojavi when adding comments with executionfilter
09:23 < _cheerios> it replaced a bit too much 
09:23 < _cheerios> (my error ofc, but took a while to pinpoint)
09:36 < MikeSeth> alright, where's caching implemented?
09:36 < MikeSeth> in ExecutionFilter?
09:36 < MikeSeth> I see
09:36 < MikeSeth> Why isn't it a separate class tho..
09:37 < RossC0> ZOMG
09:37 < RossC0> the difference is staging has MINT stats
09:37 < RossC0> and the .htaccess file has this: php_value auto_prepend_file /var/www/mint/config/auto.php
09:38 < RossC0> MikeSeth - its not the best of names is it
09:38 < MikeSeth> RossC0: what is? *eyerub*
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09:39 < RossC0>  in ExecutionFilter for caching options
09:43 < MikeSeth> hmmm how would caching act for different locales? hmmmm
09:44 < MikeSeth> ahh I see
09:44 < MikeSeth> <3 whoever coded that up
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10:08 < MikeSeth> Is gettext appropriate for storing long texts? e.g. whole paragraphs/pages?
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10:10 < digitarald> localize template filders
10:10 < digitarald> folders
10:12 < MikeSeth> digitarald: in other words, no? :)\
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10:17 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, it probably works, but... uh :p
10:17 < v-dogg> sure it does, doesn't it?
10:18 < v-dogg> I have only briefly tested gettext but I seem to recall that multi-row texts weren't a problem
10:19 < v-dogg> however, the editor I used sucked big time
10:23 < digitarald> thats why storing whole pages in gettext sucks ;)
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11:14 < MikeSeth> wtf
11:14 < MikeSeth> $tm->_d('2007-01-01 00:00:00') 
11:14 < MikeSeth> Calendar type 2007-01-01 00:00:00 not supported
11:14 < MikeSeth> Calendar type? O_O
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11:18 < MikeSeth> hmmm
11:20 < MikeSeth> Ah! Bug in date formatter. svn up = fixedz0r
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11:37 < Spica> Hello!
11:37 < Spica> Could someone help me with a routing problem? (As for background, I downloaded Agavi only yesterday.)
11:37 < MikeSeth> hello
11:37 < MikeSeth> sure
11:38 < MikeSeth> ask away
11:38 < Spica> Okay, let me think how to explain this.
11:38 < Spica> I have a single routing rule in my routing.xml: 
11:38 < v-dogg> pastebin.ca your routing.xml
11:38 < Spica> <route name="page" pattern="^/(page_title:[a-zA-Z0-9\-_\/]*)$" module="%actions.default_module%" action="%actions.default_action%" />
11:39 < Spica> Ah, right. Okay.
11:40 < Spica> http://pastebin.ca/665510
11:40 < Spica> That is my routing.xml
11:40 < v-dogg> (everyone: Spica is a friend of mine. be nice to him or face my fury :)
11:41 < Spica> And then I am attempting to generate urls like: www.mydomain.com/project/home, www.mydomain.com/project/anotherpage
11:41 < Spica> And I am using the following for this attempt: $this->context->getRouting()->gen('page', array('page_title'=>'home')
11:42 < Spica> This, however, does not quite give me what I want.. but, instead, page_title remains empty. (and therefore all my links contain www.mydomain.com/project).
11:44 < Spica> It all works if I type ../home or ../anotherpage to my address bar.
11:44 < MikeSeth> Spica: do you have routing enabled in settings.xml?
11:44 < Spica> MikeSeth: Yes.
11:44 < MikeSeth> paste the full code you use in generating urls
11:45 < MikeSeth> do templates even have $this->context?
11:45 < MikeSeth> (and of course, make sure to use baseHref())
11:46 < v-dogg> I don't think that is in a template (as I have already covered $ro template variable)
11:46 < Spica> I attempt to generate url in an action and them assign them into a variable using $this->setAttribute so that I can only render the final html content.
11:46 < Spica> I can paste you my menuaction, though.
11:47 < Wombert> MikeSeth: you can use the locale as a caching group
11:47 < v-dogg> Spica: meet Wombert, Wombs meet Spica 
11:47 < Wombert> Spica: welcome to agavi
11:47 < v-dogg> yet another weirdo from Finland
11:47 < Wombert> ooooh
11:47 < Wombert> :)
11:47  * Wombert hugs Finland
11:47 < Spica> http://pastebin.ca/665514 <- my action
11:48 < Spica> Hello Wombert, nice to meet you.
11:48 < v-dogg> Wombert is from Germany (*ssshh* don't mention The War)
11:48 < Wombert> yes
11:48 < Wombert> don't!
11:48 < Wombert> :)
11:48 < v-dogg> you started it! you invaded Poland!
11:48 < Wombert> guys I'm so sorry but I need to do something very, very urgent right now
11:49 < Wombert> but I'll talk to you later
11:49 < Spica> See you later.
11:50 < v-dogg> Spica: sorry about these inside jokes. I'll show you a little movie clip later and you'll understand what we are talking about :)
11:50 < Wombert> digitarald: php supports $foo, {$foo} and ${foo), so expandVariables does, too
11:50 < Wombert> harhar v-dogg 
11:50 < Wombert> do ghat
11:50 < Wombert> THAT
11:50 < Wombert> !
11:50 < Wombert> :
11:50 < Wombert> laters
11:50 < MikeSeth> Wombert: figured that out already
11:50 < Spica> Oh, I do not mind. An my sense of humour equals to that of a dead fish, so it does not really matter. :)
11:51 < MikeSeth> Spica: so if you var_dump($linksArr) what do you get?
11:51 < digitarald> didnt knew about  ${foo}, only the 2 others
12:00 < Spica> MikeSeth: Nice. I think that the data is actually there. The problem must come from my dead simple html-generating loop.
12:00 < Spica> I will paste it anyway.
12:00  * Spica usually write Java (EE) so PHP is slightly rusty.
12:01 < MikeSeth> Spica: I'm not sure why you're pregenerating the URLs. Especially in an action.
12:02 < Spica> Felt like a good idea to process them before rendering the data into html.
12:02 < Spica> http://pastebin.ca/665526 <- that is the var_dump, but as I said, the data appears to be there (although I swear I checked this already).
12:02 < MikeSeth> Spica: no, the view should be doing that, if anything.
12:04 < Spica> Well.. it is easily enough moved to the view.
12:04 < Fastly> how can inner join two tables on two fields (two in each table)
12:04 < Fastly> sorry... wrong chan..
12:04 < MikeSeth> heh
12:07 < Spica> Nice, now it works. One should always have someone reading the code over the shoulder. I stupid and simple error in a dead simple piece of code.
12:07 < Spica> MikeSeth: Thank you for your help.
12:11 < Spica> MikeSeth: Then another question, if you still bear with me. Is there something wrong with the default value setting in my routing.xml? I am trying to have page_title set to 'home' if some accesses www.mydomain.com/ (instead of www.mydomain.com/home).
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12:18 < digitarald> oh, u own mydomain.com ... damn ... I wanted that one
12:18 < v-dogg> har har :)
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12:22 < Whisller> hi
12:23 < MikeSeth> Spica: wrong? no, albeit I'd just have a home/ route point to the same action as default route
12:26 < Wombert> Spica: it doesn't work?
12:26 < Spica> Not in the way I thought it would. :)
12:27 < Spica> I am trying to have page_title set to 'home' automatically if some requests / instead of /home. Naturally I can do this elsewhere, too, but I thought the routing.xml allows me to set default values.
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12:29 < Spica> Oh, and I nearly forgot. One more, guys.
12:30 < Spica> I have a third party library located at project_root/libs/markdown (agavi at project_root/libs/agavi).
12:31 < Spica> I attempt to autoload markdown and it is successful as far as I know (at least it stopped giving me any errors once I got the path right).
12:31 < Spica> But I cannot directly use the method provided in that library in my action.
12:33 < MikeSeth> more details
12:34 < Spica> Okay. :)
12:34 < Spica> http://pastebin.ca/665559
12:34 < Spica> That is my autoload.xml
12:35 < v-dogg> it seems that markdown is not in a class 
12:35 < v-dogg> <?php echo Markdown($body); ?>
12:37 < Spica> I think it is not, no.
12:37 < v-dogg> so you can't use autoload
12:37 < Spica> I did not know this.
12:38 < v-dogg> yeah, my bad
12:38 < Spica> How do I get it in there then?
12:38 < v-dogg> so, you need to load it manually (include/require) or you can add it to config/compile.xml
12:39 < v-dogg> you might be better of loading it manually for now. doesn't get too complicated :)
12:39 < Spica> I have used it before (in a PoC) with require_once.
12:39 < v-dogg> off*
12:39 < Spica> I shall use that then.
12:40 < Spica> Or then I shall write a simple wrapper for markdown.
12:40 < Spica> Should not be complicated and then I could autoload it, right?
12:41 < v-dogg> sure but you don't really gain anything
12:42 < Spica> I need it in a few places so it just helps if Agavi does the loading for me.
12:42 < Spica> Then it right there waiting for me to use it.
12:42 < Spica> And I think the wrapper class would be really simple.
12:46 < v-dogg> yup
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13:21 < digitarald> :(
13:21 < digitarald> in throwError i can't give a backupIndex for the error message
13:23 < digitarald> but getErrorMessage takes one
13:23 < digitarald> which is not used now
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14:38 < MrJeep> hi
14:38 < MrJeep> does anyone know where I can find a "homemade" DateTime class, my server doesn't support it.. yet
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14:51 < _cheerios> there must be someway out here...
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15:17 < digitarald> is there somewhere a class to parse dates/durations like "5 days", "1 hr", "next Monday"
15:17 < digitarald> or should strtotime handle that all w/o problems?
15:18 < Wombert> strtotime
15:18 < Wombert> but it doesn't really work reliably
15:18 < Wombert> there is one issue with it
15:18 < Wombert> it's tuesday right now
15:18 < Wombert> 17:17
15:18 < Wombert> if you get "Tuesday 18:00"
15:18 < Wombert> it will be next week's tuesday
15:18 < Wombert> not today
15:18 < Wombert> which sucks in my opinion :<
15:18 < digitarald> ok, validator can handle that
15:18 < digitarald> lets wrap it in a class to make it more useful
15:19 < digitarald> so, 2 days and 1 hour will be also calculated from now
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15:35 < _cheerios> BaseDoctrineModel http://p.caboo.se/private/8dctdv0bdxomb55pkn ; comments welcome
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15:59  * digitarald copies the code to his project
16:00 < digitarald> mh ... wanne see mine?
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16:00 < digitarald> mh, its 3 lines, an empty class
16:06  * _cheerios hugs digitarald
16:07 < _cheerios> i guess that's an it looks ok sign :)
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17:49 < _cheerios> hmmhmmhmm
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18:53 < _cheerios> sigh, can't php give some warning when accessing private vars instead of returning null/false?
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19:36 < Wombert> _cheerios: it does
19:37 < _cheerios> hmm, i have default error settings and got nothing
19:37 < _cheerios> error_reporting  =  E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE
19:37 < _cheerios> need STRICT?
19:38 < _cheerios> oh, just read what that second part does there
19:42 < _cheerios> latest version of BaseDoctrineModel (it's getting crazy) http://p.caboo.se/private/mknbmpgyipisicekpb
19:43 < impl> Wombert: Come to any conclusion wrt AgaviConfig?
19:44 < Wombert> ...
19:44 < Wombert> _cheerios: ...
19:44 < Wombert> * Installation checklist:
19:44 < Wombert>  * 1) prepareTable()
19:44 < Wombert>  *  - change this to reflect how your classes are named, to map model against correct database table
19:44 < Wombert>  * 2) dbName + dbNameMaster
19:44 < Wombert>  *  - set according to your database environment
19:44 < Wombert> then why the hell do you make these two private?
19:45 < _cheerios> good call
19:45 < impl> I'd prefer abstract public function getDatabaseName() { } or so
19:45 < impl> but I'm weird like that
19:45 < Wombert> no, you're right actually
19:45 < _cheerios> in an ideal world the settings would come from databases.xml
19:46  * impl frowns at Doctrine
19:46 < Wombert> and all the other names are so weird as well
19:46 < impl> What's a sticky connection?
19:46 < Wombert> setConnection() doesn't accept an argument... so why not do it in initialize
19:46 < Wombert> plus
19:46 < _cheerios> Doctrine syntax does look a bit eww after Propel, yeah, if you've been using Prople I'm sure :)
19:46 < Wombert> why don't you read these settings from the database connection?
19:46 < Wombert> defaultConnection() does not indicate that it mutates the object
19:47 < Wombert> query() does not indicate that it returns an object
19:47 < impl> lol
19:47 < Wombert> conn() is not in line with setConnection() and defaultConnection()
19:47 < Wombert> what exactly does create() do
19:48 < impl> Wombert: It sounds like something along the lines of how we want Criteria2 to work
19:48 < _cheerios> mmm.. create() is the long syntax for $user = new User; (as in rosscos ticket)
19:48 < impl> oh, nevermind
19:48 < impl> why is that in query() then :s
19:49 < _cheerios> stickyConnection just keeps the selected database connection thruout the user of the Model
19:50 < _cheerios> *use
19:50 < impl> huh.
19:52 < _cheerios> default is use of SlaveDB, and whenever using MasterDB the next query reverts back to SlaveDB (unless using sticky)
19:53 < _cheerios> just something I needed there for a replication setup
19:53 < impl> What's the difference between master and slave DB?
19:53 < _cheerios> writes go to master, reads to slave
19:53 < _cheerios> if someone has a database proxy, these aren't so required, but i don't have one setup atm.
20:25 < _cheerios> Polished stuff based on feedback http://p.caboo.se/private/uahiuchh3aauytv716
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21:51 < Fast2> out of interest... do you guys group your smaller slot actions into a single Slots module?
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22:11 < _cheerios> how to get the first result of an xpath query?
22:13 < _cheerios> ah, reading docs with both eyes open helped
22:15 < Wombert> ->items(0)
22:15 < Wombert> item()
22:15 < Wombert> it's just a DOMNodeList
22:15  * impl kicks his IRC framework repeatedly
22:21 < _cheerios> yeah, helped when i found that out in ze docs :)
22:21 < _cheerios> took your advice and parsed the databases.xml for settings
22:22 < impl> _cheerios: You use DatabaseConfigHandler?
22:22 < _cheerios> nope
22:22 < impl> Why not?
22:23 < _cheerios> ah, this is sweet now
22:23 < impl> because you SHOULD!
22:23 < _cheerios> $user = new MyRssUser(); instead of $user = $this->getContext()->getModel('MyRssUser');
22:23 < _cheerios> and all code works the same, but much niiiiiiiicer
22:23 < impl> anyway, pastebin it up, let's see ;p
22:24 < _cheerios> im falling asleep, but ok, eyes bleeding, but a man's gotta code... ;)
22:24 < impl> haha, you can post it tomorrow or whenever
22:24 < impl> :P
22:25 < impl> Wombert: So you know how trophaeum had said that a solution to the grouping thing would be to maintain a variable in the cache that tracks the groups?
22:25 < impl> Wombert: I'm worried about maintaining state with that...
22:25 < impl> ie if some other script writes to the cache and *doesn't* use our caching libs, what do we do?
22:26 < Wombert> ehm
22:26 < Wombert> what?
22:29 < impl> Wombert: so we can clear an entire group, we have an entry in the cache that maps each individual group to a set of cache entries, right?
22:29 < _cheerios> impl, http://p.caboo.se/private/6t9duzgekf8pnvrvko
22:29 < Wombert> wait
22:29 < Wombert> are you talking about, say, memcached?
22:29 < impl> Yeah.
22:29 < Wombert> not only that
22:29 < Wombert> what if memcached throws out that tracking var
22:29 < Wombert> :p
22:29 < impl> that would suck :D
22:30 < impl> so I had the idea to, you know, modify how memcached works to maintain groups internally...
22:30 < impl> What do you think? :\
22:31 < Wombert> that still means most people can't use it
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22:31 < Wombert> plus there's apc's cache thing
22:31 < Wombert> and so on
22:32 < implement> Sorry, power went out
22:32 < implement> :x
22:32  * implement checks logs
22:32 < implement> well, the idea would be to submit the patch to the memcache developers
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22:33 < impl> I don't know though
22:33 < impl> whether they'd be open to such a patch
22:34 < impl> _cheerios: looking now
22:35 < impl> _cheerios: yeah, you should use DatabaseConfigHandler for sure
22:36 < Wombert> that has been proposed before
22:36 < impl> no luck, huh?
22:36 < Wombert> and was usually dismissed because it's much more complicated to do the distributed storage then
22:36 < Wombert> but
22:36 < Wombert> I think a dedicated group map variable would be the best idea
22:36 < _cheerios> impl, that requires having $context
22:37 < impl> _cheerios: AgaviModel makes context available
22:37 < impl> oh, you're not extending it anymore
22:37 < _cheerios> none used in the new code
22:37 < impl> Wombert: How would we store it though?
22:37 < _cheerios> (can switch between, depending on which way the user wants to use it; via AgaviModel or without)
22:37 < Wombert> impl: just an array
22:37 < Wombert> for each group
22:38 < Wombert> that means n groups mean n+1 calls though
22:38 < impl> Wombert: I know, but the cache persists between script calls
22:38 < impl> so we'd have to store the group map in the cache
22:38 < impl> and like you said, the cache can delete it when it feels like
22:38 < Wombert> errrr
22:38 < Wombert> explain again
22:39 < impl> You would have to store this variable in the cache, right?
22:39 < Wombert> yes
22:39 < impl> But the cache *could* remove the variable from the cache
22:39 < impl> timeout, whatever
22:39 < impl> You mentioned that originally
22:41 < Wombert> yes
22:41 < Wombert> well bad luck then
22:41 < Wombert> the stored caches are not hit
22:41 < Wombert> and recreated
22:41 < Wombert> you can give it a higher priority in memcached
22:41 < Wombert> i.e. set it to never expire
22:41 < impl> Yeah but if you try to clear a group after that and it doesn't clear the group think of the potential problems
22:42 < Wombert> what do you mean, it doesn't clear the group
22:42 < impl> because reading the group variable wouldn't exist
22:42 < impl> My English must suck today, I'm not being very clear :\
22:43 < Wombert> if the4 group map is not ther
22:43 < Wombert> then you can't read the cache either
22:43 < Wombert> :p
22:43 < impl> Sure you can..
22:43 < impl> unless we prevent it from doing so
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22:49 < impl> Wombert: do you think cheerios's class there is a little unnecessary?
22:49 < Wombert> I think so, yes
22:49 < Wombert> a little
22:49 < impl> I think we need a DoctrineDatabaseAdapter
22:50 < impl> or without the adapter part, since we don't use that ;p
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22:53 < Wombert> yes
22:54 < Wombert> that we need
22:59 < impl> Hmm, XMPP is weird
22:59 < impl> It doesn't send a full block of XML data for each transaction
23:00 < impl> but rather at the initiation of the connection sends a <stream> and at the end of the connection </stream>, and messages go in the middle as part of the XML
23:00 < impl> really weird.
23:13 < Fastly> guys, i am wanting to redesign my method of chossing which .js files to link to each page... ideally i'd like to be able to set or unset a url in any view and finally when the page in rendered all the <script> tags are generated... i have some ideas but wondering if there would be any suggetions?
23:14 < Fastly> e.g. i am thinking of creating a $js_file array and saving as an attribute... 
23:15 < impl> I just use a request attribute so I can set scripts in slots/...
23:15 < impl> There should be a better way to do it
23:15 < Fastly> could maybe be abstracted further with a appendJavascript() method in ProjectBaseView...
23:16 < impl> Yeah.
23:17 < impl> I usually have a CSS request attribute to go with it as well
23:21 < Wombert> yes, would use request attributes
23:21 < Wombert> $rq->appendAttribute('css', 'lolz.css', 'com.myapp.layout');
23:21 < Wombert> append makes an array
23:25 < Fastly> ahhh.. coolio
23:32 < Wombert> okay but
23:32 < Wombert> bedtime
23:32 < Wombert> :>
23:33 < impl> Night
23:33 < impl> I hope you've slept since Sunday!
23:33 < impl> :P
23:35 < Wombert> yup
23:35 < Wombert> well actually
23:35 < Wombert> I need to leave the office first :p
23:35 < impl> lawl
23:36 < Fastly> night Wombert
23:37 < Wombert> zomg my ohloh kudo rank has dropped to 9
23:37 < Wombert> zomg!
23:38 < Wombert> but
23:38 < Wombert> agavi has been accepted for http://www.ohloh.net/pages/65
23:38 < impl> Cool!
23:38 < Wombert> but I believe agavi is a little too small for it
23:38 < impl> Wombert: Just don't tell him that 3/4 of it is automatically-generated translation files
23:38 < Wombert> not in code size ;)
23:39 < impl> :P
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00:09 < Wombert> right-o
00:09 < Wombert> home, fo real
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00:15 < trophaeum_> holy shit, he's actually gonna sleep!
00:16 < impl> we hope anyway
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03:32 < luke`> huomenta
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05:57 < v-dogg> huomenta
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06:22 < _cheerios> huomenta
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07:04 < _cheerios> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/announcements/gizmodo-commentards-before-the-iron-banhammer-dropped-290881.php (NSFW)
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07:15 < RossC0> huomenta!
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08:10 < Whisller> Morning
08:15 < ttj> Wow!
08:15 < ttj> We just had a poweroutage in Nokia House.
08:15 < ttj> Haven't had that happen before.
08:19 < v-dogg> http://www.flcenter.net/ukkostutka_suurikuva.html
08:19 < v-dogg> this is probably why
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08:23 < RossC0> Wombert: ping
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08:26 < ttj> v-dogg: Yeah. The sky was unbelievable.
08:29 < v-dogg> stock markets are recovering nicely
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08:48 < _cheerios> stormy day...
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09:32 < _cheerios> latest BaseDoctrineModel http://p.caboo.se/private/o6xpfci7xwkprjjga4
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09:32 < _cheerios> more convenience methods, like $user = new MyUser and $user = MyUser::create(). The class is getting a bit out of hand, tho ;)
09:35 < _cheerios> i could find a way to get the classname of the child, when get_class() is called in the parent on a static call
09:35 < _cheerios> *couldn't
09:37  * Wombert scratches head
09:37 < Wombert> teh computer switched itself on...
09:37 < Wombert> at 5:45
09:37 < Wombert> OR SOMEONE STOLE ALL MY DATA ZOMG
09:47 < _cheerios> you don't have a tape of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPp8EMvdiRs lying around there with a "I WAS HERE" note? ;)
09:52 < RossC0> _cheerios: what are you doing?!
09:52 < RossC0> asArray, findA they already exist
09:53 < _cheerios> they do? sweet, less code there then. What are they called?
09:53 < RossC0> asArray
09:53 < RossC0> toArray
09:55 < digitarald> i extend toArray to add custom values for my records
09:55 < RossC0> example?
09:56 < _cheerios> how does it work? find(1)->asArray() ?
09:57 < RossC0> $user->Addresses->toArray()
09:57 < _cheerios> the benefit is gone at that point, is it now, as you've already fetched $user as objects?S
09:59 < RossC0> yes if you want an array not for editing you would use Doctrine::FETCH_ARRAY
10:00 < RossC0> and any record that you find is accessible via array syntaxi
10:00 < _cheerios> that's exactly what findA is for, it behaves like find(), except with that added param
10:01 < RossC0> hmm yes..
10:03 < _cheerios> i have a lot of code which returned an array resulset, and this my drop-in replacement :)
10:03 < RossC0> sure
10:04 < RossC0> but then perhaps it would be easier if the find command took params like findBySql
10:04 < RossC0> or findByDQL
10:04 < _cheerios> that's for doctrine folks to change
10:05 < RossC0> I'll see if I can add it
10:14 < MikeSeth> Doctrine is the new obsession, I see :)
10:14 < _cheerios> pfft, just trying to make the dog usable ;)
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10:27 < v-dogg> maybe we should include some arbitrary version into agavi source tree
10:27 < v-dogg> *g*
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10:47 < RossC0> I agree - would be a good addition.
10:47 < RossC0> Only thing I'd like to see is more tie in with AgaviModel and config .xml files rather than custom xml processing and / or formalised xml parameters such as pre / post fixes for record class names rather than just chop.  So you can use a naming scheme for your doctrine records
10:59 < _cheerios> reason I moved away from a pure AgaviModel implementation was to have the BaseDoctrineModel usable on 3rd party libraries I have. still unfinished on that part.
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11:15 < Fastly> hey guys, i am having a little trouble with something. i created a very simple method in ProjectBaseView to enable views (of content and slots) add new stylesheets to the master template:
11:16 < Fastly> 	public function appendCss($url) { 	
11:16 < Fastly> 		$this->appendAttribute('css_urls', $url);
11:16 < Fastly> 	}
11:17 < Fastly> it seems that because the slots are rendered after the master template that the stylesheets appended by slots is not available in the master template
11:18 < v-dogg> slots can't be renderer after the master template, can they?-)
11:18 < v-dogg> something else is causing your problem
11:18 < Fastly> e.g. just the base.css is in the css_urls request attribute, however i tested outputting css_urls from within a slot template and all are available
11:20 < Fastly> ahh... i suppose i could create a css slot to render these... 
11:20 < v-dogg> seems like an overkill
11:21 < v-dogg> I've used identical solution myself so unless something has changed since that (agavi 0.11 RC-something) your code should work just fine
11:22 < Fastly> i'm using the 0.11-HEAD right now
11:22 < v-dogg> http://www.mail-archive.com/users@lists.agavi.org/msg00143.html
11:28 < v-dogg> this uses a method just like yours
11:29 < v-dogg> Agavi 0.11-DEV r1865
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11:30 < Fastly> thanks, i'll look
11:31 < _cheerios> v-dogg's cms is the best, *****/*****, two thumbs up!
11:31 < Fastly> do you know if the ProjectBaseView::appendCss() is being called from within slot views?
11:31 < v-dogg> hmm..
11:31 < v-dogg> actually...
11:32 < v-dogg> no, I think it's only used by the main view
11:39 < Fastly> hmm... i just went for the overkill option and created a Head slot, but still the appendCss() called by the other slots does not show 
11:49 < Fastly> well it seems i cannot $this->setAttribute within a slot and have that attribute appear in a variable within the Master.tpl
11:50 < Fastly> could someone please confirm this normal behaviour
12:04 < digitarald> slots have the attributes of their master?
12:06 < Fastly> yes, but the master doesn't appear to have accept to attributes set by slots
12:07 < Fastly> it appears to be the case anyway
12:15 < Wombert> no no no no no
12:15 < Wombert> stop
12:15 < Wombert> guys
12:15 < Wombert> you are doing $this->appendAttribute
12:15 < Wombert> that sets an attribute on the _slot_
12:15 < Fastly> yes
12:15 < Wombert> but slots run totally isolated from the outside
12:15 < Wombert> this is only set on the slot's view (In fact, on the slot's container)
12:15 < Wombert> what you need to do is
12:16 < Wombert> a) set the attribute on the _request_
12:16 < Wombert> b) in your master template (not in a slot!) output the stuff
12:19 < Wombert> you use request attributes for this kind of "asynchronous" communication
12:19 < Fastly> thanks Wombert, please can you clarify where I could appendAttribute from within a slot
12:19 < Wombert> you set something for another part of the system that uses this information later
12:19 < Fastly> do you mean a parameter?
12:20 < Wombert> Fastly: on the request!
12:20 < Wombert> $this->context->getRequest()->appendAttribute('css', 'lala.css', 'com.myapp.layout');
12:21 < Fastly> cool, i'll give it a try. thanks
12:22 < Wombert> the last one is the namespace
12:22 < Wombert> to avoid collisions
12:22 < Wombert> maybe something else somewhere else uses "css" also
12:23 < Fastly> and how would i access variables from different namespaces in a template?
12:24 < Wombert> foreach($rq->getAttribute('css', array(), 'com.myapp.layout') as $css) { ... }
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12:25 < Wombert> sorry
12:25 < Wombert> foreach($rq->getAttribute('css', 'com.myapp.layout', array()) as $css) { ... }
12:25 < Wombert> array() is the default value in case the attribute does not exist
12:25 < Wombert> that way, foreach() works reliably
12:28 < MikeSeth> Wombert: so what's your position on Ross' SPF?
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12:32 < Fastly> awesome Wombert, this works fine now :-)
12:34 < RossC0> Wombert: can you apply http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/560
12:34 < RossC0> :D
12:34 < RossC0> then my SPF is just a filter and extended FPF
12:35 < Wombert> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/94714
12:35 < Wombert> for those of you who know german
12:35 < Wombert> which means, er, nobody :p
12:35 < Fastly> if i only want some slots render at all in certain routes, would it be better to leave them out out output_types.xml, or it is possible to set them up in output_types.xml but have them deactivted by default? 
12:35 < Wombert> Fastly: no... then you need to register them by hand in the view
12:35 < Wombert> or you create a new layout
12:36 < v-dogg> can you de-register a slot?
12:37 < Wombert> of course
12:37 < Wombert> $layer->removeSlot('name');
12:38 < Wombert> http://www.policing-crowds.org/petition.html
12:38 < Wombert> here
12:38 < Wombert> in english
12:39 < Wombert> http://www.policing-crowds.org/news/article/open-letter-to-the-generalbundesanwaltschaft-against-the-criminalization-of-critical-academic-resea.html there
12:40 < MikeSeth> Wombert: fuck that shit. Whem I'm rich I'm making my own country.
12:40 < Wombert> read it, MikeSeth 
12:40 < Wombert> Dr. Matthias B. is alleged to have used, in his academic publications, “phrases and key words” which are also used by the ‘militante gruppe’;
12:40 < Wombert> As political scientist holding a PhD, Matthias B. is seen to be intellectually capable to “author the sophisticated texts of the ‘militante gruppe’ (mg)”. Additionally, “as employee in a research institute he has access to libraries which he can use inconspicuously in order to do the research necessary to the drafting of texts of the ‘militante gruppe’”;
12:40 < Wombert> I mean, what the fuck?
12:40 < Wombert> hey, MikeSeth 
12:40 < Wombert> you're smart
12:40 < Wombert> you know a bad guy
12:40 < Wombert> you go to jail!!!!111one
12:40 < Wombert> zomg germany
12:40 < Wombert> I'm outta here asap
12:41 < MikeSeth> Wombert: let's go to belize! 0% tax rate!
12:45 < Fastly> i tried $this->getLayer('decorator')->removeSlot('key');
12:46 < Fastly> and receive an error: Call to a member function removeSlot() on a non-object
12:46 < MikeSeth> did you loadLayout() first?
12:47 < Fastly> nope... 
12:48 < MikeSeth> so how did you setup the layers then?
12:48 < Fastly> in output_type.xml
12:49 < Fastly> output_types.xml
12:49 < MikeSeth> setupHtml() then?
12:49 < MikeSeth> if getLayer('decorator') returns null then that layer is not loaded
12:49 < MikeSeth> either its a code problem or a config problem
12:50 < Wombert> ...
12:50 < Wombert> Fastly: of course you need to load the layout before you can access a layer defined in the layout
12:51  * Wombert feels a little sick
12:51 < Wombert> I think I caught the flu
12:51 < Fastly> that sucks
12:51 < Fastly> this is my default layout config btw:
12:51 < Fastly> http://pastebin.ca/666747
12:52 < Wombert> and which one are you removing
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12:52 < MikeSeth> Fastly: do you call setupHtml()?
12:52 < MikeSeth> or, setupWhatever()
12:52 < Fastly> ye
12:52 < MikeSeth> mmp. just to be sure paste the whole view code as well
12:53 < Fastly> http://pastebin.ca/666750
12:53 < Fastly> although i just tried implementing the above suggestion...
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12:53 < MrJeep> good morning everybody
12:54 < MikeSeth> Fastly: and where in the 'slot' layout do you have a 'decorator' layer?
12:54 < Fastly> no
12:57 < Fastly> ahh... that was a mistake. this code should be in my Search_IndexSuccessView, which i think uses the default layout
12:58 < Fastly> but would the following be correct here:
12:58 < Fastly> 		$layout = $this->loadLayout('default');
12:58 < Fastly> 		$this->getLayer('decorator')->removeSlot('key');
12:58 < Fastly> i mean...$layout->getLayer('decorator')->removeSlot('key');
13:03 < Wombert> no no no
13:03 < Wombert> hang on
13:03 < Wombert> mmh
13:03 < Wombert> well yes that works
13:03 < Wombert> but
13:03 < Wombert> look
13:04 < Wombert> you just call setupHtml()
13:04 < Wombert> that loads the layout
13:04 < Wombert> then, the layers are set on the view
13:04 < Wombert> so you can do $this->getLayer()
13:06 < Wombert> all clarities resolved? ;)
13:07 < Fastly> yes! thanks so much
13:08 < Fastly> i'm safely tucking away this agavi knowledge
13:08 < Fastly> which is ever expanding with new projects
13:10 < Fastly> another question on slots though - if i only wanted a slot to be show in a couple of places, would it be better to register the slot manually in these places rather than say deregister them in setupHtml and then register them again in the view
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13:12 < Fastly> ideally it would be cool to have an attribute in <slot name="menu" module="Default" action="Menu" register="false" />
13:12 < Fastly> so that the slot only becomes active when required rather than having to turn it off
13:12 < Fastly> well... maybe not ideally... but an idea
13:12 < Fastly> :-)
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13:16 < Wombert> if you want it only in a couple of places
13:16 < Wombert> either register it in these views
13:16 < Wombert> or have a separate layout
13:16 < Wombert> I recommend to do it in views
13:17 < Wombert> layouts are, as the name says, just for layouts, not for very specific tasks
13:17 < Wombert> i.e. you shouldn't have a layout for each individual page, for instance
13:17 < Wombert> that gets messy very quickly
13:17 < Fastly> ok, thanks for the advice
13:22 < Wombert> http://www.autoblog.com/2007/08/22/wiesmann-considering-the-blitz-gt-might-get-bmw-510-hp-v10/
13:22  * Wombert drools
13:24 < MrJeep> Very messy
13:25 < MrJeep> In a few hours ( I think), I'll be able to show you my lastest agavi project :D
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13:29 < MrJeep> how agavi's going ?
13:29 < MrJeep> by the way
13:29 < MrJeep> it's been RC5 for a long time
13:29 < MrJeep> what you guys are currently working on ?
13:32 < Wombert> still in cologne, and buuuusy
13:33 < MrJeep> ok :P
13:53 < Wombert> guys
13:53 < Wombert> need validator help
13:53 < RossC0> shoot
13:53 < Wombert> rating something
13:53 < Wombert> three fields
13:53 < Wombert> rating
13:53 < Wombert> summary
13:53 < Wombert> text
13:53 < Wombert> you can
13:53 < Wombert> a) submit only rating
13:53 < Wombert> b) submit all three
13:53 < Wombert> but not just a summary or just a text
13:54 < Wombert> idea was an xor operator on two isempty validators that provides "anyset"
13:54 < Wombert> and an andoperator on two isempty validators that provides "allset"
13:54 < Wombert> and then have validators on summary and text each with a depends="anyset allset"
13:54 < Wombert> but the problem is that depends is an ALL
13:54 < Wombert> not an OR
13:56 < RossC0> sounds like a plan
13:57 < RossC0> but a custom validator may make it simpler!
14:13 < SunboX> is there an examble of AgaviDateTimeValidator use?
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14:36 < _cheerios> added caching, and a standalone mode to the basedoctrine class: http://p.caboo.se/private/yjm4dszbzhrrfte8zp
14:37 < MrJeep> what's the basedoctrine class ?
14:39 < _cheerios> a wrapper around doctrine to make it (atleast it's the goal) easy to plug-in and use with projects, be they Agavi or not
14:41 < MrJeep> and, sorry to ask but what's doctrine ?
14:42 < _cheerios> an orm similar to propel
14:42 < MrJeep> ah i see
14:42 < MrJeep> 					$this->addCredential(ImaMember::CREDENTIAL_ADMIN);
14:42 < MrJeep> 					$this->addCredential(ImaMember::CREDENTIAL_NON_COMMERCIAL);
14:42 < MrJeep> 					$this->addCredential(ImaMember::CREDENTIAL_MEDIA);
14:42 < MrJeep> 					$this->addCredential(ImaMember::CREDENTIAL_INDIVIDUAL);
14:42 < MrJeep> 					$this->addCredential(ImaMember::CREDENTIAL_COMMERCIAL);
14:42 < MrJeep> 					var_dump($this->hasCredential(ImaMember::CREDENTIAL_ADMIN));exit;
14:42 < MrJeep> (bool) false
14:43 < MrJeep> did I do something wrong ?
14:49 < Wombert> what's the value of the constant
14:49 < MrJeep> 'administrator'
14:51 < MrJeep> odd right ?
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14:58 < MrJeep> any idea
15:01 < MrJeep> now it says true
15:02 < MrJeep> but not for long
15:03 < MrJeep> well, hasCredential seems to return false
15:03 < MrJeep> but the credential is in there
15:03 < MrJeep> bool(false) array(5) { [0]=>  string(5) "admin" [1]=>  string(14) "non_commercial" [2]=>  string(5) "media" [3]=>  string(10) "individual" [4]=>  string(10) "commercial" }
15:05 < MrJeep> ahh
15:06 < MrJeep> I was using hasCredential
15:06 < MrJeep> but I should have been using hasCredentialS
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15:16 < Wombert> uhm
15:16 < Wombert> there is no method hasCredential() :p
15:16 < Wombert> why didn't you get a fatal error?
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15:26 < MrJeep> because of the __call function
15:26 < MrJeep> method*
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17:13 < JamieWolf> Ehm one small question. I have written a myconfig.xml and placed it in the config dir. How can I now import this file into agavi?
17:14 < Wombert> you want the values?
17:14 < JamieWolf> yes
17:14 < Wombert> it needs to be registered in config_handlers.xml
17:14 < Wombert> use AgaviReturnArrayConfigHandler
17:14 < Wombert> then 
17:15 < JamieWolf> Okay. This also caches the config file then?
17:15 < Wombert> $data = include(AgaviConfigCache::checkConfig(AgaviConfig::get('core.config_dir') . '/myconfig.xml'));
17:15 < Wombert> yes, the handler compiles
17:15 < JamieWolf> Coool
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17:49 < JamieWolf_> Worked like a charm wombert. But might it be possible to have a default Attribute in the returned array. Just like you have in databases.xml <databases default="foo">. Then the returned array would have default => bar
17:50 < Wombert> of course, that's possible
17:50 < Wombert> the value of the element is then in "_value" or something
17:50 < Wombert> not sure
17:50 < Wombert> var_dump it to see ;)
17:50 < Wombert> I think you can even configure these names
17:52 < JamieWolf_> i have pasted you my config and the var_dump http://p.caboo.se/90081
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17:53 < Wombert> that might be a bug, JamieWolf_ 
17:53 < Wombert> I can look into it later
17:53 < impl> Dear Noah, 
17:53 < impl>  Congratulations! Your organization has met the requirements of the Microsoft Windows Small Business Server (SBS) 2003 R2 'Assess and Win' Partner Incentive and qualified to receive a free one-year subscription of TechNet Plus Direct (US$349 in value). 
17:54 < Wombert> lawl
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17:55 < JamieWolf_> thanks Wombert :D
17:55 < impl> haha, wtf, it takes four weeks for TechNet to send me the login details ... via email
17:57 < luke`> Does germany have mulptiple timezones?
17:58 < Wombert> nope
17:58 < Wombert> why ya asking, luke` ?
17:59 < luke`> wanted to call my classmate from school
17:59 < JamieWolf_> luke` its 8pm here right now. best time to call
18:00 < luke`> thanks JamieWolf_ 
18:20 < Wombert> wtf
18:20 < Wombert> oO
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18:40  * Wombert pokes impl 
18:41 < Wombert> used iterators lately?
18:41  * impl bites
18:41 < impl> I guess
18:41 < impl> Why?
18:41 < Wombert> well
18:41 < Wombert> I have a class that implements Iterator, IteratorAggregate
18:41 < Wombert> doesn't work
18:41 < Wombert> :<
18:42 < impl> er, paste? :P
18:42 < Wombert> ( ! ) Fatal error: Class SkobblerCspPoiSearchResult could not implement interface IteratorAggregate in Unknown on line 0
18:43 < Wombert> class Lolz implements IteratorAggregate, Iterator
18:43 < Wombert> so it has getIterator()
18:43 < Wombert> which returns $this
18:43 < Wombert> and it has the iterator funcs
18:43 < impl> ah
18:43 < impl> it is because
18:43 < impl> IteratorAggregate and Iterator both extend Traversable
18:43 < impl> You can only have one or the other
18:43 < Wombert> so how do I do this?
18:43 < Wombert> :<
18:43 < Wombert> booooh
18:44 < impl> http://www.php.net/~helly/php/ext/spl/interfaceTraversable.html
18:44 < Wombert> hey wait
18:44 < Wombert> it works!
18:44 < Wombert> wtf
18:44 < Wombert> oO
18:44 < Wombert> it works without IteratorAggregate
18:45 < Wombert> oO
18:45 < Wombert> I just foreach() the object
18:45 < Wombert> well okay it's segfaulting :p
18:45 < Wombert> ah no it works
18:45 < Wombert> ace
18:45 < Wombert> :>
18:45 < impl> Traversable is what lets you use the foreach() on it
18:45 < Wombert> what is IteratorAggregate then
18:46 < impl> It's if you have an object represented by a different iterator
18:46 < impl> i.e., not an iterator itself
18:46 < Wombert> ah
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19:17 < _cheerios> o_O
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19:47 < _cheerios> table_name maps to tableName, but not when using custom queries. *sigh*
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20:38 < _cheerios> "he company, led by Doom video game creator John Carmack, nearly won the 2006 contest, in which it was the only entrant."
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21:04 < Spica> Hello!
21:04 < Spica> Anyone around?
21:04 < impl> Yup
21:06 < _cheerios> what is wrong with the name "ModuleChain" ? Somehow ReflectionClass failed loading that. Changed name to FactoryChain and no problems.
21:07 < _cheerios> (non-Agavi related, more PHP)
21:07 < Spica> I am a bit stuck here (new to Agavi).
21:08 < Spica> I made a new action called Journal and now I am attempting to write a route to it.
21:08 < Spica> Unfortunately I only manage to get a 404.
21:10 < Spica> http://pastebin.ca/667263 <- my routing.xml
21:11 < Spica> Have I missed some step or something? I presume that it is enough to do agavi action and then add the route(s)?
21:11 < impl> Should be, is routing enabled in your settings.xml?
21:12 < Spica> impl: Yes, I have a route which works just fine.
21:12 < Spica> Now I am attempting to write a new one but it fails me.
21:13 < Spica> I am trying the following url: ..pub/journal
21:13 < impl> Hmm...
21:13 < impl> ah
21:13 < impl> typo :P
21:13 < Spica> Oh dear!
21:13 < impl> module="%action.default_module%"
21:13 < impl> should be module="%actions.default_module%"
21:13 < _cheerios> easier to type them in, esp with your own http://pastebin.ca/667267
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21:14 < Spica> Thank you!
21:14  * Spica continues pushing forward again.
21:14 < impl> :D
21:15 < Spica> This is my third day with Agavi.. I think it is getting easier already. :)
21:15 < impl> Coolness
21:15 < _cheerios> did you start with the sample app found in the sources?
21:15 < Spica> _cheerios: No, with v-dogg. :)
21:15 < impl> In other news, I'd still like to see http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Cleanup/Configuration#Directives :> it would make validating those directives easier, surely
21:15 < _cheerios> ok, that's cool too (more advanced -- but maybe harder to read too).
21:20 < Wombert> WHAT?????
21:20 < Wombert> DISASTER??????
21:20  * Wombert packs the axe
21:20  * Wombert goes for impl
21:20 < impl> You didn't read that when I wrote it?!
21:20 < Wombert> I did
21:20 < Wombert> ;)
21:21 < impl> :D
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21:21 < Wombert> if you can now tell me how that would work for attributes... :p
21:22 < impl> I couldn't think of a good way to do that so I BS'd it
21:22 < impl> "This would also encourage taking large values out of attributes; attributes should always be short and to the point in my opinion."
21:22 < impl> :D
21:22 < Wombert> true
21:22 < Wombert> that earns you 1000 points in the bullshit bingo
21:23 < Wombert> <xi:include href="%foo.bar%" />
21:23 < Wombert> soooo?
21:23 < Wombert> :p
21:23 < _cheerios> Wombert, any idea why $class = new ReflectionClass($class); would fail, due Agavi loading that $class prior? (error = Class  does not exist)
21:23 < Wombert> powned
21:23 < impl> Bingo! That's my favorite game... I just can't remember what to say when I win.
21:23 < impl> Wombert: uuuh
21:23 < impl> D:
21:24 < impl> damn it, XML isn't designed to work like that :P
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21:27 < impl> hay CIA is back!
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21:29 < _cheerios> sigh @ doctrine "Couldn't parse query."
21:31 < Wombert> who's EoN?
21:31 < Wombert> :)
21:31 < Wombert> another aussie?
21:31 < Wombert> cheers mate
21:32 < impl> he may have followed me here from #php/EFnet
21:33 < Wombert> IS HE STALKING YOU?
21:33 < Wombert> SHOULD I SCARE HIM AWAY?
21:33 < Wombert> :p
21:33 < impl> no, that's okay
21:33 < impl> better than switching to CodeIgniter like the rest of 'em
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23:04 < trophaeum_> fuck it, i want an oracle guru to help me out
23:05 < impl> trophaeum_: My dad said he couldn't get me a free copy of DB2 :(
23:06 < trophaeum_> impl, figures, oh well, going to worry about it more after i get my macbook, then ill have a solaris vm and a few other things and ill be able to do some more playing easily
23:06 < impl> He did say that DB2 Express should be almost identical though
23:06 < impl> except for replication stuff and management
23:08 < trophaeum_> i think there was some of its xml functionality that was trimmed
23:09 < trophaeum_> anyway, sadly, lotsa work to do today instead of sitn around slakn :/ anyone who's bored, bleachepisodesonline.com :) (i need to spam that site around a bit haha)
23:25 < Wombert> zomg cow workers
23:25 < Wombert> zomg
23:25 < Wombert> ...
23:26 < impl> uh oh ;x
23:27 < Wombert> okay
23:27 < Wombert> I'm really a cleanliness nazi
23:28 < Wombert> you can freak my out by having foo("bar",$baz); without a space after the comma
23:28 < Wombert> but sometimes...
23:28 < Wombert> awwwwwwwwww
23:28 < Wombert> aksdlsakd
23:29 < Wombert> $line1 = $doc->createElementNS(self::API_XML_NAMESPACE, 'line1', '<![CDATA[Advertisement Line 1]]>');
23:29 < Fst> how would i test in a template whether a certain route is in execution?
23:29 < Wombert> that sucks, doesn't it, I mean, honestly?
23:29 < Wombert> the thing is
23:30 < Wombert> it makes me look like I don't know jack about XML
23:30 < Wombert> :p
23:30 < Wombert> and I don't like that
23:30 < Wombert> Fst: would do it in the view if you can
23:30 < Wombert> $request->getAttribute('matched_routes', 'org.agavi.routing', array());
23:30 < Wombert> has an array of matched routes
23:32 < impl> surely you can mark it as cdata
23:32 < Wombert> yes
23:32 < Wombert> but like that up there
23:32 < Wombert> it's put into the xml as is
23:32 < Wombert> not as a cdata section :P
23:32 < impl> but ... why wouldn't you want it as a CDATA section?
23:32 < Wombert> look
23:33 < Wombert> he was supposed to create a cdata section
23:33 < Wombert> that code I pasted was his attempt at doing so
23:33 < Wombert> :p
23:33 < impl> oh
23:33 < impl> teh noob!!
23:33 < impl> ban him!
23:33 < Wombert> and now
23:33 < Wombert> alsdjadsj
23:33 < Wombert> 250 lines of code with $studlyCapsVarNames
23:33 < Wombert> and then
23:33 < Wombert> bam
23:33 < Wombert> underscores
23:33 < Wombert> WHY
23:33 < Wombert> WAAAAAAH
23:33 < impl> lol
23:33 < impl> :(
23:33 < impl> You remind me of me so much
23:34 < impl> I kill people when they do that
23:34 < Wombert> maybe it's because we're both smart people
23:34 < Wombert> yes
23:34 < Wombert> and I am a bit of a neurotic guy so I must resist the urge to change all underscores to caps right now
23:34 < impl> do ittt
23:38 < Wombert> I did :p
23:38 < Wombert> maaan
23:40 < impl> lol :P
23:58 < Wombert> impl: did you test on php6 yet?
23:59 < Fst> right, i'm off to bed
23:59 < Fst> bfn guys
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00:02 < impl> Wombert: no, you didn't commit the patch to fix AgaviConfig did you?
00:02 < impl> :P
00:05 < Wombert> impl: I won't before you tested :P
00:05 < Wombert> AgaviConfig::import needs rename
00:05 < impl> Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_IMPORT, expecting T_STRING in /home/impl/svn/agavi/repo/svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/src/config/AgaviConfig.class.php on line 145
00:06 < Wombert> and AgaviConfigCache::import
00:06 < Wombert> can you do it? plz? :p
00:06 < impl> I don't know what to rename them to :P
00:06 < Wombert> you should just test dude :p
00:06 < Wombert> rename them to kthxbai() :p
00:06 < impl> then I has to rename them everywhereeeeee
00:06 < Wombert> AgaviModuleConfigHandler::90
00:07 < Wombert> AgaviSettingConfigHandler::99
00:07 < Wombert> AgviConfigCache::import() is not used anywhere
00:07 < Wombert> wait
00:07 < Wombert> actually it is
00:07 < impl> lol, I am capable of finding them :P It'd just be nice if we could decide on a name so we only have to do it once
00:07 < Wombert> in class Agavi
00:07 < Wombert> 143, 150, 158
00:07 < impl> what do you think of toArray and fromArray?
00:07 < Wombert> you shouldn't commit it, really
00:07 < Wombert> just test for now
00:07 < Wombert> :p
00:07 < impl> I'm not going to commit them
00:08 < impl> just change them in my source
00:08 < Wombert> thanks
00:08 < Wombert> :)
00:08 < Wombert> go go go
00:08 < Wombert> (harhar)
00:08 < impl> toArray and fromArray then?
00:08 < Wombert> yes, toArray and fromArray would work I guess
00:08 < Wombert> even tho the latter to me indicates it overwrites stuff
00:08 < Wombert> hang on
00:08 < Wombert> 		self::$config = array_merge(array_merge(self::$config, $data), self::$readonlies);
00:08 < Wombert> mmmh
00:08 < Wombert> that's import
00:08 < Wombert> mmmh
00:08 < Wombert> yes okay
00:09 < Wombert> we use fromArray and toArray
00:09 < Wombert> and AgaviConfigCache::load()
00:09 < impl> okay
00:09 < Wombert> keep export() and mark it @deprecated
00:09 < Wombert> test with that, if it works, I'll commit the changes right now
00:10 < impl> alright
00:34 < impl> hmm, got an exception
00:34 < impl> (which I can fix, it's just the cache dir stuff)
00:34 < impl> Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /home/impl/svn/agavi/repo/svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/src/exception/templates/shiny.php on line 87
00:34 < impl> but it's got that
00:35 < impl> looks like something wacky happening with the useragent check
00:35 < impl> ooh
00:35 < impl> it's my useragent :X
00:35 < impl> string(76) "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; X11; en_US) KHTML/3.5.7 (like Gecko)" 
00:36 < impl> I'll switch that to if(preg_match(...)) anyway
00:38 < impl> Wombert: Fatal error: Call to undefined function get_magic_quotes_gpc() in /home/impl/svn/agavi/repo/svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/src/request/AgaviWebRequest.class.php on line 271
00:38 < impl> ;p
00:38 < Wombert> lawl
00:38 < Wombert> okay
00:38 < Wombert> I'll fix that
00:38 < impl> I can fix it
00:38 < impl> since I've got the fixed source here and all anyway
00:38 < Wombert> can you commit, too?
00:38 < Wombert> okay
00:38 < impl> yup
00:38 < Wombert> I'll make a ticket for you
00:38 < impl> function_exists() before, sound good?
00:39 < Wombert> yes
00:39 < impl> there's a couple of other places it's used
00:39 < impl> will fix them all
00:39 < Wombert> woot?
00:39 < Wombert> really?
00:39 < Wombert> where
00:39 < impl> WebRouting
00:40 < impl> and an ini check in core/Agavi.class.php
00:41 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/563
00:42 < impl> thanks
00:42 < impl> it looks like the ini_set on magic_quotes_runtime isn't affected
00:43 < Wombert> you know the drill, aye
00:43 < Wombert> 	 * @return     string The module accessor name.
00:43 < Wombert> 	 *
00:43 < Wombert> 	 * @deprecated Use getParameter('module_accessor') instead.
00:43 < Wombert> 	 *
00:43 < Wombert> 	 * @author     David Zülke <dz@bitxtender.com>
00:43 < Wombert> 	 * @since      0.11.0
00:43 < Wombert> for deprecated notices
00:43 < Wombert> :)
00:43 < impl> righto
00:43 < Wombert> yes well that returns an empty string, right?
00:44 < Wombert> ah, set
00:44 < impl> ugh, fucking misbehaving browser
00:44 < Wombert> oO
00:44 < Wombert> 			ini_set('unserialize_callback_func', AgaviConfig::get('php.unserialize_callback_func', '__autoload'));
00:44 < Wombert> that's probably not so good, eh?
00:45 < impl> Why not?
00:45 < Wombert> because I cannot give it a callback
00:45 < Wombert> for a class
00:45 < Wombert> (I guess)
00:45 < impl> You can probably specify it using ::
00:46 < Wombert> haha
00:46 < Wombert> http://de.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.autoload.php#73561
00:47 < impl> We are NAWT doing that!
00:47 < Wombert> I must say I was tempted :p
00:47 < Wombert> but yes, of course, it breaks the autoloader chain
00:47 < impl> hmm, looks like the sample app is working now
00:48 < Wombert> hah
00:48 < Wombert> http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.unserialize.php#65687
00:48 < Wombert> so we're safe
00:48 < impl> ah :P
00:49 < Wombert> I think we should get rid of the magic quotes runtime setting, too
00:49 < Wombert> what do you think
00:49 < Wombert> it doesn't really affect agavi in that it breaks things horribly
00:49 < Wombert> if people do that, they'll notice
00:49 < Wombert> I really don't give a fuck about wankers with such a setting enabled
00:49 < impl> What exactly does magic_quotes_runtime do?
00:49 < Wombert> they should please use symony
00:49 < Wombert> haha
00:49 < impl> It's not raising even an E_STRICT so I'm not really worried about leaving it...
00:49 < Wombert> magic_quotes_runtime
00:49 < Wombert> If enabled, most functions that return data from an external source, including databases and text files, will have quotes escaped with a backslash. Can be set at runtime, and defaults to off in PHP.
00:50 < Wombert> STOOOOWPID
00:50 < impl> hmm
00:50 < impl> yes
00:50 < impl> that is stupid
00:50 < Wombert> I'll get rid of both ini_sets
00:50 < impl> We should just disable it, fuck what users want :P
00:51 < impl> What's the sample app login again?
00:51 < impl> something with chuck norris
00:51 < CIA-4> david * r2062 /branches/0.11/src/core/Agavi.class.php: threw out magic_quotes_runtime (come on...) and unserialize_callback_func ini_set (http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.unserialize.php#65687), kinda refs #563
00:51 < Wombert> Chuck Norris
00:51 < Wombert> kick
00:52 < Wombert> now go go go impl!
00:52 < Wombert> :)
00:52 < impl> mhh now I have to figure out how to merge :P
00:52 < impl> ee
00:53 < impl> it logged me out :s
00:54 < impl> Wombert: I log in, go to Secure Action, and it asks me to log in again
00:54 < impl> is this a Webserver config problem or is this new?
00:55 < impl> strange
00:55 < impl> I think this is a Konqueror bug
00:55 < impl> it works in Firefox
00:56 < Wombert> :p
00:56 < impl> alright, I'm going to commit this stuff then
00:56 < Wombert> go go go :)
00:56 < impl> should I close the ticket or just ref it?
00:57 < Wombert> did you fix the shiny.php prob, too?
00:57 < Wombert> commit that separately if you can
00:57 < Wombert> I'd say close it for now
00:57 < Wombert> we can reopen it if issues appear again
00:57 < impl> I'll open a ticket for the shiny thing too
00:59 < Wombert> not needed really
00:59 < impl> too late :P
01:00 < impl> It doesn't have to be changelogged, that's for sure
01:00 < impl> lol
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01:01 < impl> Wombert: do the unit tests work?
01:01 < impl> if so, I can test those too
01:03  * impl kicks phpunit.de
01:05 < impl> oh well :P hope these work
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01:09 < Wombert> just in time, eh
01:11 < impl> Yeah :(
01:12 < impl> I can put the 'closes #NNN' before the end of the log message right?
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01:12 < impl> Yay!
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01:14 < impl> All the weird whitespace changes are because my editor automatically removes whitespace at the end of lines
01:14 < Wombert> :<
01:14 < CIA-4> impl * r2064 /branches/0.11/ (11 files in 6 dirs): 
01:14 < CIA-4> BREAKING CHANGES: Make Agavi PHP6-compatible, closes #563
01:14 < CIA-4> - Rename AgaviConfigCache::import() to load()
01:14 < CIA-4> - Rename AgaviConfig::import() to fromArray()
01:14 < CIA-4> - Deprecate AgaviConfig::export() in favor of toArray()
01:15 < impl> alright, hopefully that won't piss too many people off ;x
01:25 < Wombert> looks good
01:25 < Wombert> many thanks
01:26 < impl> yuppers
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02:36 < Wombert> :p
02:36 < Wombert> yay
02:36 < Wombert> 4:36 am again
02:36 < Wombert> time to go home
02:36 < Wombert> ...
02:36 < Wombert> I'm beginning to like my job
02:36 < Wombert> nn
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05:48 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:54 < JamieWolf> huomenta v-dogg
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07:11 < RossC0> huomenta!
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08:32 < v-dogg> what would be the most elegant way to achieve this: I need to do "session_cache_limiter('public');" for a certain output type when strpos($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'MSIE')
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08:59 < _cheerios> suggestions on how to track what would make apache2 reach maxclients (256) ?
09:04 < _cheerios> huomenta :)
09:04 < ttj> Yo.
09:05 < trophaeum> _cheerios, log the server-status on a regular basis
09:06 < _cheerios> i checked apache access log and there was on average 5-6 req/s. perhaps if all those were left linquering >60 seconds it would top 256, but seems odd
09:07 < trophaeum> enable the... info module? and u get to add a server-status handler
09:07 < trophaeum> you get to see what every thread is upto
09:07 < trophaeum> generally tho, if your sending more data than your tcp send socket buffer, you get SCREWED on how many apaches are idle that are sending data still
09:08 < trophaeum> hence why lighttpd got such a following so fast
09:10 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: reduce MaxRequestsPerChild, and increase MaxChildren
09:11 < trophaeum> MikeSeth, the 1st 1 isnt going to help how many clients apache can handle... and up'n the maxchildren without first checking that things is sane....
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09:12 < v-dogg> anyone noticed my question? should I do this in BaseView::setupPdf() or does someone have a better solution?
09:16 < MikeSeth> trophaeum: reducing MaxRequestsPerChild is done to reset the instance of PHP interpreter which tends to leak memory. Leaks eat up the swap and slow down the whole operation significantly. I was able to go from 4 req/sec to 30 req/sec just by doing that.
09:16 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: hmmm
09:17 < _cheerios> MRPC is 0 by default on debian
09:17 < _cheerios> (unlimited)
09:17 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: which is STUPID
09:17 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: I would add methods to control cache headers into the base, and in the PDF view, use them
09:17 < MikeSeth> _you should never have MRPC set to 0 in production. At least, not with PHP.
09:19 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: yup, thanks
09:19 < trophaeum> MikeSeth, no less than 1000 at least
09:20 < trophaeum> _cheerios, ill ask the stupid question, php opcode cache? (xcache is my preference)
09:20 < trophaeum> dinner, bbiaf
09:20 < _cheerios> i use apc everywhere
09:20 < v-dogg> oh for f.. sake... I'm stupid
09:21 < v-dogg> session_cache_limiter needs to be called before session_start
09:21 < _cheerios> this maxclients 256 reached just seems like some process goes bonkers, but dunno how that would create 200+ extra requests
09:23 < SunboX> can someone help me with regular expressions? i want to match something or an empty string like... ( matchThis | WhatDoesAEmptyStringLookLike )
09:23 < _cheerios> the other thing is, after maxclients reach apache doesn't serve anything anymore. is that normal?
09:24 < v-dogg> SunboX: ^$
09:25 < SunboX> thx
09:25 < v-dogg> ^ = begining of line, $ = end of line
09:25 < v-dogg> should work
09:26 < v-dogg> I'm begining to think a custom storage is the only way to implement this
09:26 < v-dogg> luckily routing is started before storage 
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09:37 < v-dogg> how do I find out the current output type?
09:42 < digitarald> $this->container->getOutputType()->getName();
09:42 < digitarald> in the view
09:43 < v-dogg> I need it in the storage::startup
09:43 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: I think in theory it should return a 503 response instead. *shrug*
09:44 < _cheerios> on this xen+debian installation, after maxclients is reached apache just stops serving anything (the processes are still up).
09:45 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: restart it and check the error log
09:45 < _cheerios> which is odd if i do dummy benchmarks locally and get a maxclients warning, everything still works normal afterwards.
09:45 < MikeSeth> maybe its something else
09:45 < _cheerios> nothing else in the error log
09:45 < v-dogg> oh, fuck. again.
09:46 < v-dogg> routing is started but not executed before the storage
09:46 < v-dogg> so I don't have the output type info 
09:46 < v-dogg> this is going to be an ugly hack..
09:47 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: mmp. Perhaps you should ask in the ML
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10:06 < Zibi_> elo
10:08 < v-dogg> huomenta
10:14 < SunboX> how do i validate checkboxes?
10:15 < MikeSeth> they're just null/1 values
10:17 < SunboX> yes, i know... but what validator should i use? I've tried AgavaiSetValidator... but if the checkbox is not checkt executeWrite is not be called
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10:20 < MikeSeth> I think boolean?
10:20 < MikeSeth> not sure
10:21 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: why storage? storage is for session management
10:22 < v-dogg> that's just why
10:22 < v-dogg> I need to call session_cache_limiter('public'); before session_start
10:23 < v-dogg> but I don't want to do it for every request (I'm not sure what implications it has)
10:23 < v-dogg> only for PDF output and for IE
10:28 < v-dogg> just sent a post to the mailing list
10:31 < v-dogg> of course, if session_cache_limiter('public') doesn't cause cache problems, I can do it in config.php for every request
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10:44 < MikeSeth> i suppose you really should ask Wombie
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11:26 < Fastly> is there another way of accessing the $_SERVER variables in agavi?
11:26 < Fastly> i want to grab $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']
11:26 < Fastly> cheers
11:26 < v-dogg> $rd->getHeader('REMOTE...
11:27 < MikeSeth> Fastly: $_SERVER is disabled on purpose
11:27 < Fastly> is there a way to access $rd from within a class ProjectBaseUser extends AgaviRbacSecurityUser
11:27 < Fastly> {
11:28 < Fastly> i know there is $this->getContext()->getRequest()
11:28 < MikeSeth> Fastly: $rd is the request data for a specific ACTION, not the master request data
11:28 < Fastly> but this doesn't include getHeader
11:29 < Fastly> i'm trying to grab the ip addr from within a custom user class to run it past the GeoIP database
11:30 < MikeSeth> Fastly: getRequest()->getRequestData()->getHeader()
11:36 < _cheerios> was there was a free geoip db available, Fastly ? I've been looking to add such myself
11:38 < MikeSeth> yes
11:38 < MikeSeth> maxmind.com
11:38 < MikeSeth> use Pear's Net_GeoIP to read it
11:43 < _cheerios> is it limited in any way?
11:44 < _cheerios> no downloadable databases to process on ones own server?
11:46 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: not really, other than the precision is reduced to countries, and some regions such as satcom providers and AOL proxies are watered down
11:46 < MikeSeth> the binary file from MaxMind is heavily compressed, but you can easily extract the data if you want to
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11:49 < _cheerios> ah, k, so it's a download atleast and not doing requests to maxmind.com to find out every geoip for a given ip?
11:50 < _cheerios> the name of the pear package made it seem like it's all over http or similar
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12:24 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: yeah
12:24 < MikeSeth> oh hello mr Wombert
12:32 < Wombert> hai
12:36 < RossC0> howdy :D
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12:44 < MikeSeth> look a new guy!
12:44  * RossC0 thinks its MikeSeth's aftershave!
12:45 < MikeSeth> lies
12:45 < MikeSeth> well maybe
12:45 < MikeSeth> though I havent shaved for days
12:45 < MikeSeth> I'd freak out RMS if we met on the street
12:45 < _cheerios> but does our new guy look romanian? http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/package/3582.html
12:47 < gribelu> who, me?
12:48 < gribelu> i'm a spy for zend
12:48 < gribelu> shh
12:49 < MikeSeth> haha
12:49 < MikeSeth> I can call zend and ask
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12:53 < gribelu> actualy i'm just lurking.. preparing to one day try agavi
12:54 < v-dogg> why not try it today
12:54 < _cheerios> boom!
12:54 < v-dogg> try, fall in love and it's good riddance Zend
12:54 < v-dogg> I tell you :)
12:55 < gribelu> eh.. first i have to finish a project
12:55 < gribelu> might take a few months :D
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12:56 < MikeSeth> haha
12:56 < MikeSeth> in less than 24 hours you will be ripping out your hair
12:56 < JamieWolf> Wombert, remember the Problem I had yesterday with the custom myconfig.xml and the default attribute. Well the dafault="foo" works well and as it is supposed to. If you name a eg <myconfigs default="default"> <myconfig name="default">. There will be noch default => default but the configuration belonging to name=default 
12:56 < JamieWolf> short everything works as it supposed to work
12:58 < Wombert> JamieWolf: uh?
12:59 < JamieWolf> this. http://p.caboo.se/90081 was late yesterday :) Just wanted to tell you there is no probelm :D
13:00 < MikeSeth> JamieWolf: did I recruit you? I dont remember..
13:00 < Wombert> nope
13:00 < Wombert> JamieWolf: but the default attribute is not there
13:00 < MikeSeth> Wombert: ze konspiracy is growink
13:00 < Wombert> MikeSeth: he's been around here for months
13:01 < MikeSeth> Wombert: need more sleep
13:01 < Wombert> JamieWolf: I didn't have time to look into this yet
13:01 < Wombert> it _might_ be that for elements which are the plural form of children with "name" attributes, the attributes are skipped on purpose
13:01 < Wombert> well yes, that's probably the case, because then you can just foreach() over it
13:02  * Wombert ponders
13:02 < Wombert> I could change RACH so it returns objects which implements iterator and arrayaccess and all
13:02 < Wombert> then a foreach() would just loop child nodes
13:02 < Wombert> but not attribs
13:02  * Wombert ponders
13:02 < Wombert> that sounds good!
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13:05 < JamieWolf> MikeSeth no you didn't I was trying mojavi when agavi folked off
13:05 < MikeSeth> JamieWolf: moar slep
13:05 < JamieWolf> after this i was following there Forums and mailing lists silently
13:06 < JamieWolf> and now i try my first project with agavi
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13:11 < gribelu> is the documentation from the site up to date?
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13:15 < MikeSeth> gribelu: yeah
13:21 < gribelu> is there some sort of ACL in agavi?
13:22 < Wombert> actions can require certain credentials
13:22 < Wombert> we ship with an RBAC implementation
13:22  * gribelu googles
13:22 < Wombert> you can, however, customize the security filter and perform any checks you deem feasible
13:22 < Wombert> that said, you could have actions that return a list of ACL requirements etc etc
13:22 < Wombert> whatever you prefer
13:23 < gribelu> interesting, thanks
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14:07 < MrJeep> good morning / afternoon
14:08 < MrJeep> how everybody are doing ?
14:10 < MikeSeth> alive
14:11 < v-dogg> overloaded, otherwise just splendid
14:11 < JamieWolf> watching you guy writing :)
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14:12 < gribelu> umm.. my agavi shell script says: Unable to find property file: /home/bogdan/htdocs/_virtual-83_/libs/agavi/build.properties... skipped
14:12 < gribelu> that file doesn't exist though.. should i rename build.xml?
14:12 < JamieWolf> If it is your own project, then it doesn't matter
14:12 < v-dogg> gribelu: the file is optional
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14:13 < JamieWolf> gribelu you can set the localtion of custom templates etc. there
14:15 < gribelu> i'm lost
14:16 < gribelu> BUILD FAILED Target 'project' does not exist in this project.
14:16 < gribelu> i'm following directions from the manual, in case you haven't noticed :D
14:17 < v-dogg> the path is probably wrong in you agavi.bat/.sh
14:17 < v-dogg> it should point to agavi/src
14:17 < v-dogg> and now it points to agavi/
14:18 < gribelu> aaah
14:19 < v-dogg> the build.xml in agavi is for development work
14:19 < v-dogg> everything you need for a project is in src
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14:24 < gribelu> any naming conventions for model names.. or other stuff?
14:25 < v-dogg> lots of stuff and other stuff, but nothing so important that it should be mentioned now :)
14:25 < v-dogg> did you get the project built?
14:26 < gribelu> ya
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14:26 < v-dogg> and the welcome page glimmers in you browser?
14:27 < gribelu> i used defaults except for two models
14:27 < gribelu> aye :D
14:27 < v-dogg> cool
14:27 < gribelu> it's psychic.. it knew that this was my first project
14:28 < v-dogg> remove Welcome* in your default module (in action/, template/ and view/)
14:28 < v-dogg> and in config/routing.xml
14:29 < v-dogg> and start experimenting with it
14:29 < gribelu> k
14:30 < gribelu> any reason why i shouldn't start with Doctrine instead of Propel as the orm?
14:30 < v-dogg> both are actively used by people here
14:30 < gribelu> since it's not officialy in agavi
14:31  * v-dogg pokes RossC0 and _cheerios and MikeSeth 
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14:31 < v-dogg> they can help you with doctrine stuff
14:31 < v-dogg> I'm a propel user myself
14:31 < _cheerios> im just getting started with doctrine. not sure if it's any better/worse than propel.
14:32 < RossC0> heh MrJeep
14:33 < RossC0> gribelu: its up to you - personal preference
14:33 < MikeSeth> tehwat?
14:33 < gribelu> propel is a bit on the slow side... not sure about Doctrine though, never used it
14:33 < MikeSeth> ah
14:33 < MikeSeth> I will be using Doctrine exclusively for all new PHP projects from now on
14:34 < _cheerios> neither of them make your code fly any faster
14:34 < MikeSeth> yep.
14:35 < gribelu> tru
14:37 < _cheerios> propel is probably more mature, but they both have their problems. ive spent a good amount of time in #doctrine already.
14:37 < SunboX> does doctrine have buildin support for nestedsets?
14:38 < _cheerios> SunboX, seems so
14:39  * gribelu feels like a n00b
14:39 < SunboX> i need more time...
14:39 < SunboX> doctrine sounds good
14:39 < SunboX> but rewriting my application is too much work
14:42 < _cheerios> yeah, better used for new projects, or if doing masochistic rewrites like me
14:42 < MikeSeth> SunboX: if you properly used Agavi model infrastructure, the amount of work is nearly zero
14:42 < SunboX> no, i've used propelmodels
14:42 < SunboX> :(
14:43 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: I wont be using propel until someone explains me why I need to deal with projects, make targets and all the other bizzare stuff in it that I dont want to understand and care about
15:00 < _cheerios> MikeSeth, have you used the doctrine import, or how did you setup the records? is there a way to have the relations data setup too? propel iirc did this for you.
15:03 < _cheerios> tho, i think i did the doctrine testrun on a schema with no relations. hmm. :p
15:05 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: I find export nicer than import.
15:10 < v-dogg> can I fake domain names on my Winxp workstation using the hosts file?
15:11 < v-dogg> and make apache understand them faked names too?
15:11 < v-dogg> as virtual hosts
15:11 < _cheerios> yep
15:12 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: yes.
15:12 < v-dogg> let's try it
15:14 < v-dogg> hah, ace :)
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15:55 < v-dogg> dammit, I think my svn repo just got corrupted
15:56 < v-dogg> I commit stuff from my home box and when I update on the office box, nothing is updated but the revision number
16:02 < gribelu> fun
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16:19 < Wombert> DUUUUDE
16:19 < Wombert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIFCV2spKtg
16:19 < v-dogg> uh.. this is weird. I commited stuff from another directory (the same working copy) and that file was updated correctly on the office machine
16:19 < v-dogg> can svn corrupt just one directory within a branch?
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16:52 < _cheerios> anyone else at ze office? :)
16:53 < MrJeep> this image resizing is quite smart
16:53 < Wombert> me
16:53 < Wombert> fucking hot here
16:53 < Wombert> quite smart????
16:53 < Wombert> are you kidding?
16:53 < Wombert> it's fucking ace
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16:56 < MrJeep> yeah, smart, brilliant, ace
16:56 < impl> I agree!
16:57 < _cheerios> the people removal part was nice
16:59 < MrJeep> it's always very impressive when some people think differently
16:59 < MrJeep> stuff like that comes up
17:07 < _cheerios> ZOMG PIXELS ARE MOVING. CUE IN BONER.
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18:27 < _cheerios> rrr, moving is so boring :|
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19:28 < MrJeep> www.ima-researchs.com (my lastest website with agavi)
19:33 < v-dogg> how do you manage pages/routes/urls within a site like that?
19:33 < _cheerios> stylish as usual. is it intentional to keep the menu tab links only workin when hovering over the text, not the whole hover? i consider that a bug myself.
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19:34 < v-dogg> btw, my svn repo wasn't corrupted. it was the working copy
19:34 < v-dogg> or so it seems now
19:39 < MrJeep> v-dogg what do you mean by pages/routes ?
19:41 < v-dogg> have you built a cms of some sort (to store and manage pages, menus and such) or do you for example write everything manually into routing.xml?
19:41 < MrJeep> i write everything in routing
19:41 < MrJeep> at this point
19:41 < v-dogg> ok
19:45 < _cheerios> my room is full of filled up SMarket bags. charming!
19:46 < v-dogg> you'll get lots of bonus from the s-group then
19:47 < _cheerios> i'll be sure to win points when my future neighbours see me move in
19:57 < v-dogg> hahaha
19:57 < MrJeep> _cheerios : what navigator are you using ?
19:57 < v-dogg> these are hilarious
19:57 < MrJeep> because with FF2 it works as expected
19:57 < v-dogg> Zend_View_Helper_FormSubmit extends Zend_View_Helper_FormElement 
19:57 < v-dogg> ... public function formSubmit($name, $value = null, $attribs = null)
19:59 < v-dogg> and class Zend_View_Helper_FormLabel extends Zend_View_Helper_FormElement 
19:59 < v-dogg> returns <label. ...</label>
20:00 < impl> Huh?
20:00 < impl> Zend is weird :s
20:02 < v-dogg> huh.. and how uses hidden inputs with checkboxes?
20:02 < v-dogg>  // enabled. add the hidden "unchecked" option first, then
20:02 < v-dogg>  // the the checkbox itself) next. this way, if not-checked,
20:03 < v-dogg>  // the "unchecked" option is returned to the server instead.
20:03 < impl> wtf
20:03 < v-dogg> s/how/who/
20:03 < _cheerios> MrJeep, the ima-research menu with home/participate/etc. I'm using firefox.
20:04 < _cheerios> maybe you have some javascript-detection thing for it, shrug.
20:04 < v-dogg> "the "unchecked" option is returned to the server instead."
20:05 < impl> v-dogg: the whole comment doesn't make any sense
20:05 < _cheerios> <south park flashbacks/>
20:28 < Wombert> well
20:28 < Wombert> the hidden input is put before the checkbox
20:28 < Wombert> it has a value
20:28 < Wombert> say, "0"
20:28 < Wombert> the checkbox has "1"
20:28 < Wombert> if the checkbox is not checked, it's not submitted at all
20:28 < Wombert> but since the hidden has the same name, it takes it's place
20:29 < Wombert> so you get "0" instead of nothing
20:29 < Wombert> if they had borrowed some Agavi awesomeness, they could simply do $rd->getParameter('lolz', '0'); :p
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21:00 < impl> Wombert: :P
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00:39 < MikeSeth> http://blog.mikeseth.com/index.php?/archives/1-For-the-2,295,485th-time-DO-NOT-PARSE-HTML-WITH-REGULAR-EXPRESSIONS.html
00:39 < MikeSeth> they finally pissed me off
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00:41 < impl> THANK YOU
00:41 < impl> MikeSeth: Mind if I reference that in #php repeatedly?
00:42 < MikeSeth> "Mind"? No. I command you to ;)
00:42 < impl> :P
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07:13 < RossC0> huomenta!!
07:14  * RossC0 off on holiday for a week starting tomorrow :D
07:21 < v-dogg> huomenta
08:20 < v-dogg> uhmm... a newbie question comming up... :)
08:20 < v-dogg> what's the best way to include a sub-template in a template?
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08:45 < trophaeum> v-dogg, should i say include()? or should i say readfile()? or should i just hit u over the head :)
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09:21 < v-dogg> trophaeum: shuure but then I'd need to echo or return something from the sub-template :)
09:22 < trophaeum> or u could just let it use esp and channel your site into the users mind
09:24 < v-dogg> uh, why didn't I think of that
09:27 < v-dogg> I was just looking for a way to be able to just cut a piece of a template (agavi's php template), move it to a file of its own and include it from there
09:27 < v-dogg> I tried ob_start(); include $filename; $contents = ob_get_contents(); ob_end_clean(); echo $contents;
09:40 < RossC0> <?php include('_partialTemplate.php'); ?>
09:41 < RossC0> that not cover it?
09:45 < v-dogg> hah, it does :D
09:45 < v-dogg> where did I get the idea it wouldn't
09:45 < RossC0> the baby not letting you sleep? :D
09:47 < v-dogg> yeah, let's blame her :)
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13:14 < CIA-37> david * r2065 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviFilterChain.class.php: Fixed FilterChain resetting run count for each registered filter, closes #565
13:15 < Wombert> there you go RossC0 
13:15 < Wombert> now SPF can work!
13:16 < Wombert> that also closes #560
13:24 < MikeSeth> so whats your position on SPF?
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13:32 < Wombert> I think it's cool and serves a purpose
13:32 < Wombert> however, I'd rather not have it in 0.11 since I'd like it to be tested extensively
13:32 < Wombert> it must be generic enough to fit any use case and so on
13:32 < Wombert> you know, the usual stuff
13:34 < RossC0> SPF update coming in a minute
13:35  * Wombert smells awesomeness in here
13:43 < MikeSeth> Wombert: http://blog.mikeseth.com/index.php?/archives/1-For-the-2,295,485th-time-DO-NOT-PARSE-HTML-WITH-REGULAR-EXPRESSIONS.html
13:46 < RossC0> Updated :D
13:46 < RossC0> now just need a FPF hook to override the request URI then its standalone ;)
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14:14 < Wombert> RossC0: how long are you staying today
14:14 < Wombert> I want to grab lunch
14:15 < RossC0> until 5:30 :D
14:15 < RossC0> so go go 
14:20 < Wombert> now it's 3:30, right?
14:20 < Wombert> 3:20
14:20 < Wombert> plenty of time
14:20 < Wombert> ->
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15:14 < MrJeep> hey  wombert, did you see the last site I'm working on ?
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15:20 < MrJeep> by the way
15:21 < MrJeep> what function should I use when I show a value in an input field, htmlspecialchars or htmlentities ?
15:21 < MrJeep> <input id="fe-lastname" name="lastname" type="text" size="35" value="<?php echo htmlspecialchars($template['member']->getLastName()) ?>" />
15:22 < v-dogg> htmlspecialchars if you use utf-8 BUT
15:22 < v-dogg> you should use fpf to populate forms
15:25 < MrJeep> to pre-populaite it ?
15:25 < MrJeep> oh and by the way, I'm using utf-8 and hte fpf throws an exception on special characthers like é à ê ....
15:32 < v-dogg> yes, to pre-populate it
15:32 < MrJeep> cool, how ?
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15:33 < v-dogg> $populate = new AgaviParameterHolder();
15:34 < v-dogg> $populate->setParameter('fieldname', $value);
15:34 < v-dogg> $this->context->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', array('form_id'=>$populate), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
15:35 < v-dogg> in view, for read requests
15:36 < MrJeep> you mean the $populaite in executeRead
15:36 < MrJeep> and the $this->context->... in the view ?
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15:37 < v-dogg> no, this whole thing in view::executeHtml
15:37 < MrJeep> ok
15:37 < v-dogg> if ($this->context->getRequest()->getRequestMethod() == 'read') { //in here }
15:43 < MrJeep> what about checkbox ?
15:53 < MrJeep> I guess I still need to user htmlspecialchars
15:57 < MrJeep> and it's not working yet :S
15:57 < MrJeep> $req->setAttribute('populate', array('panel-populate-form' => $populate), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
16:02 < MrJeep> http://pastie.caboo.se/90684
16:04 < RossC0> do you need htmlspecialchars with populate?
16:04 < MrJeep> I think I do
16:04 < MrJeep> because if I dont use it, I get an exception
16:05 < MrJeep> entity something exception
16:05 < MrJeep> my problem is nothing gets populated
16:05 < RossC0> yup
16:07 < MrJeep> any idea what it could be ?
16:09 < MrJeep> the fpf executing nothing on a read request ?
16:10 < RossC0> yeah having weird entities I think is the problem
16:11 < RossC0> and something to do with them being html entities and not xml ones
16:11 < RossC0> anyone?
16:11 < MrJeep> is populating my form this way a good idea !? (I'm wondering)
16:12 < RossC0> yeah it is - trust me
16:12 < RossC0> v-dogg: you had any entity problems with FPF?
16:13 < MrJeep> once I use htmlspecialchars I don't have entity problem, but well... the form is empty
16:14 < RossC0> hmm - it turned on??
16:15 < MrJeep> I mean the entity errors are gone, except the form is not populated
16:16 < RossC0> hmm whats the html of the form?
16:16 < MrJeep> <form id="panel-profile-form" method="post" action="/Project/Web/ImaResearch/pub/mypanel/profile">
16:17 < MrJeep> jeez
16:17 < MrJeep> 1 min
16:18 < MrJeep> working
16:18 < MrJeep> I used a bad form id
16:18 < RossC0> ;)
16:20 < CIA-37> david * r2066 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php: Added force_request_uri and force_request_url config options to FPF
16:20 < Wombert> there you go RossC0!
16:20 < MrJeep> and I don't need to use htmlentities
16:20 < MrJeep> i mean htmlspecialchars
16:20 < RossC0> yup
16:21 < RossC0> ok will update my FPF and SPF
16:21 < Wombert> what is the error, MrJeep 
16:21 < Wombert> oh damn
16:21 < Wombert> I think it's that problem I encountered the other day
16:21 < Wombert> you cannot do
16:21 < Wombert> $node->nodeValue = 'foo & bar';
16:21 < Wombert> that is an error
16:21 < Wombert> you need to make a text node
16:22 < Wombert> very ugly actually
16:22 < MrJeep> the error is fixed :)
16:22 < Wombert> no, MrJeep 
16:22 < Wombert> please tell me about it
16:22 < MrJeep> but now I'm wondering how the equals validator is supposed to work
16:22 < Wombert> I think this needs fixing in agavi
16:23 < Wombert> if you have the time
16:23 < Wombert> that would be very nice
16:23 < MrJeep> yeah of course
16:23 < MrJeep> I tried to pre-populate a form with the fpf
16:23 < MrJeep> hwoever, I specified a bad form id
16:23 < MrJeep> and I was wondering "why the hell my form is not getting populated"
16:24 < MrJeep> now it's working, and special characters like é è don't end up as a entitynoref error
16:26 < MrJeep> however, one thing I'm not sure how it's supposed to work is the Equals Validator
16:26 < MrJeep> I got it working by using the asparam parameter and the field to compare in one validator
16:26 < MrJeep> and in another page
16:26 < MrJeep> the only way to make it work is by using 2 arguments
16:27 < MrJeep> however, one's required and the other is not
16:31 < Wombert> so you ran htmlspecialchars() on the characters?
16:34 < MrJeep> note anymore
16:34 < Wombert> but you ran it and that was the error?
16:34 < Wombert> ah okay
16:40 < RossC0> SPF is now standalone for r 2066 :D
16:42 < RossC0> have a good week all
16:42 < Wombert> waiiiit
16:42  * RossC0 is going on hols :D
16:42 < Wombert> where to
16:42 < Wombert> enjoy them!
16:42 < RossC0> Newcastle the gem of the northeast :D
16:42 < Wombert> yea I heard it's cool
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16:43 < Wombert> hf
16:44 < MrJeep> Wombert, do you have some time to explain me how the equals validator is supposed to work 
16:44 < MrJeep> i mean, use parameters or arguments
16:54 < MrJeep> actually, what I want to do is validate a password / confirm only if one or both are filled
16:54 < MrJeep> and make sure the password is the same as the confirm
16:55 < v-dogg> equals validator with <argument>pw</argument><argument>pw_confirm</argument>
16:56 < v-dogg> and maybe make it depend on another validator (string > 4) or something
17:00 < v-dogg> got it?
17:04 < MrJeep> yeah, but it just does'nt work
17:04 < MrJeep> when the validator required is set to false
17:04 < v-dogg> http://pastebin.ca/669373
17:04 < v-dogg> make it depend on another validator
17:05 < v-dogg> isnotempty for example
17:07 < MrJeep> in the pastebin example, it depends on another validator ?
17:07 < MrJeep> (brb) I'm starving
17:07 < v-dogg> no, that doesn't
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20:10 < digitarald> Huomenta!
20:10 < v-dogg> huomenta
20:18 < v-dogg> hmm... should I go ahead and try doctrine
20:18 < v-dogg> I have a hobby project in the middle of an upgrade here
20:19 < MikeSeth> yes
20:19 < v-dogg> what were the installation steps again?
20:19 < digitarald> ... svn up
20:19 < digitarald> or as external
20:19 < MikeSeth> theyre in the ticket
20:20 < digitarald> I changed some things
20:20 < MikeSeth> checkout doctrine's trunk/lib to app/lib/doctrine
20:20 < digitarald> e.g. to connect on initialize
20:20 < digitarald> so the serialized models can load
20:21 < v-dogg> MikeSeth: #381?
20:21 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: IIRC
20:22 < v-dogg> ok
20:22 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: i think the ticket doesnt tell that, you should check out trunk/lib, not the whole of trunk/
20:22 < v-dogg> ok
20:22 < v-dogg> but first, telly and some (more) red wine
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20:44 < _cheerios> *puuh*
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20:50 < _cheerios> carryind a doublebed to the 6floor = workout
20:50 < MikeSeth> thats a nice way to look at life
20:51 < MikeSeth> in the end you will still die
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22:20 < v-dogg> woot woot woot
22:20 < v-dogg> doctrine doesn't support PDO?
22:21 < v-dogg> hmm.. it does
22:21 < v-dogg> ah, there's some misinformation in to manual
22:24 < Wombert> mmmmh
22:24  * Wombert just sees the fruit of all the months' work
22:24 < Wombert> this is so nice
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00:56 < MugeSo> huomenta
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02:34 < nfq> hey everyone... anyone got time for a quick chat?
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08:46 < v-dogg> huomenta
08:47 < digitarald> Moin :)
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09:25 < Whisller> Morning :)
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10:19 < Wombert> WOOT!
10:19 < Wombert> the friggen chinks had spyware on german government computers
10:19 < Wombert> lolz
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11:37 < Xylakant> hi all
11:41 < digitarald> hi, ... remember ... saturday
11:42 < Xylakant> yeah. remember, deadlines.
11:42 < digitarald> ah, that comes after saturday
11:42 < digitarald> sunday night
11:42 < Xylakant> ill be on vacation from tuesday on and some stuff needs to be done before that.
11:43 < Xylakant> anyways: simple question - has anyone integrated memcached with agavi caching?
11:45 < Wombert> caching?
11:45 < Wombert> for execution filter
11:45 < Wombert> simply subclass exec filter and overwrite all the cache related methods
11:46 < Wombert> remember that clearCache is static
11:46 < Wombert> so you need to call $context->getFactoryInfo('execution_filter'); to get the class name
11:46 < Wombert> and then use call_user_func() with that
11:47 < Wombert> also keep in mind that memcached has no tree support
11:47 < Wombert> so the groups are a little difficult
11:47 < Wombert> you can cache, but you can't really invalidate whole groups
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11:49 < Xylakant> Thats about as far is I got. So I gather it's possible but noone has done it yet.
11:50 < Xylakant> might be of interest on distributed systems
11:53 < Xylakant> would storing agavi configs in memcache bring any significant benefits?
11:54 < Xylakant> i actually doubt that, but opinions are welcome.
11:55 < Wombert> probably not
11:55 < Wombert> you'd need to write a userland stream wrapper for that
11:55 < Wombert> because all configs are included (the compiled versions)
11:56 < Xylakant> and including files should be faster than pulling them from memcache anyways
11:56 < Xylakant> so the only benefit would be that there would only be one compilation in distributed envs
11:57 < Xylakant> and thats probably not worth it
12:00 < v-dogg> was there an easy way to batch process files and convert time from latin1 to wtf8?
12:02 < Xylakant> wtf8 is a nice charset
12:02 < Xylakant> you might use recode to do that
12:04 < Xylakant> "recode ISO-8859-1..UTF-8 <filelist>" might do the job
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12:44 < Wombert> Xylakant: also, APC will store to memory as well
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12:53 < Xylakant> Wombert: I don't use APC, but XCache can do the same - however that does not scale well if you have multiple Webservers - each one has it's own cache then
12:54 < Xylakant> probably storing the config in APC/XCache and the rest in Memcache is a good way to go
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19:10 < nfq> Anyone got a quick minute? I don't' need help, I am looking for a developer...!
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19:54 < marteen> nfq: are you looking for an agavi developer? or an agavi user? or just a php developer?
19:54 < nfq> marteen: an agavi developer preferably.
19:55 < marteen> nfq: I'm sorry, I can't help then... :-/
19:56 < nfq> A php developer is also fine.. but digitrald (Harald Kirschner) raves about agavi, and we do lots of work together
19:56 < nfq> what do you do marteen?
19:56 < marteen> nfq: I am a php developer
19:56 < marteen> I'm just trying out agavi
19:56 < nfq> Well, do you freelance?
19:56 < impl> do de do do do de do!
19:57  * impl is an Agavi developer
19:57 < marteen> nfq: yep, mostly freelance :)
19:58 < nfq> Where are you located? I am in Switzerland and am preferably looking for someone in Europe... For brainstorming sessions and stuff.
19:58 < nfq> impl: you freelance?
19:58 < impl> I am in North Carolina, USA
19:58 < marteen> nfq: oops, I'm in Argentina
19:58 < impl> And no, don't freelance much
19:58 < nfq> ah, cool. I love the dev world.. all over the place..
19:58 < marteen> nfq: but I'd love to help...
19:59 < nfq> sounds good marteen. Sending you a private message with my email..
19:59 < nfq> hey impl, are there any agavi devs who work on projects?
20:00 < impl> Sure are, try Wombert (he's the lead, but probably really busy at the moment) and kaos (not sure about how busy he is)
20:00 < impl> v-dogg maybe too
20:01 < nfq> Cheers impl, will try.. 
20:01 < impl> yup
20:01 < nfq> Any of the devs Europe based?
20:01 < impl> All of those are
20:02 < nfq> ah, cool. Will I will look out for them and see if any have time!!
20:02 < nfq> Thanks for you help!
20:02 < impl> yuppers
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20:07 < Wombert> nfq: so... you're looking for developers
20:07 < nfq> Yeah, big time..
20:07 < Wombert> right
20:07 < Wombert> query
20:07 < nfq> digitarald rages about agavi but he doesn't have time to help!
20:07 < Wombert> yeah ;)
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21:05 < v-dogg> nfq: what's up?
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21:17 < nfq> Hey v-dogg: goo and you? I am just rushing out.. You got time later or tomorrow?
21:18 < v-dogg> I'll be here on & off every day
21:19 < nfq> Very cool. I'll try ping you later or tomorrow in the afternoon.. Thanks for taking the time..
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21:37 < Wombert> oooh
21:37 < Wombert> almost missed that
21:37 < Wombert> welcome to agavi, marteen 
21:38 < impl> Wombert: can you imagine the day you won't be able to greet every new person personally? ;p
21:38 < Wombert> I'd rather not
21:40 < Wombert> would surely be a sad day
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21:57 < marteen> Wombert: thanks! :)
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22:47 < Wombert> nn
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00:15 < nfq> hey v-dogg
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15:05 < selloso> Hi everbody
15:06 < selloso> I'm just dealing with SOAP and agavi and i wonder if there will be support for REST in Agavi, I mean something like a RESTController?
15:06 < v-dogg> as far as I know, there is such a support already
15:07  * v-dogg pokes Wombert 
15:07 < v-dogg> tell him
15:07 < v-dogg> I know jack about it :)
15:08 < Wombert> selloso: uhm
15:08 < Wombert> rest is just normal web requests over http
15:08 < selloso> Hi v-dogg, hi wombert, long time ago .. :)
15:08 < Wombert> it's an approach, not a technology
15:08 < Wombert> agavi has everything you need to support REST
15:08 < Wombert> including PUT and DELETE
15:09 < selloso> yeah, that's true, but would it be nice if the controller could translate a php obejct to xml?
15:10 < v-dogg> uhmm...
15:11  * v-dogg decides to shut up as he doesn't really know about these technics
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15:11 < selloso> I have to say that i don't know so much about the xml dealing in php, just something about simplexml and sax
15:12 < Wombert> you mean for the response?
15:12 < Wombert> that's what views/output types are for
15:12 < Wombert> the agavi controller cannot do this
15:12 < selloso> oh yeah, I was wrong
15:13 < Wombert> it cannot know if you want xml output or json output... and what the xml shuld look like etc
15:13 < Wombert> as I said, REST is an idea, not a protocol as SOAP
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15:14 < selloso> yeah, you're right, then let me put it this way: is there any technology of class maping wit an xml likewith a soap server?
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15:26 < selloso> probably not? :)
15:30 < Wombert> selloso: no
15:31 < Wombert> you can define REST APIs in a WSDL, but the mapping, you need to do that yourself
15:31 < Wombert> you could define <lolz><zomg>yay</zomg></lolz> to be your API
15:31 < selloso> okay, thank you so much
15:31 < Wombert> sure
15:31 < Wombert> sorry, very busy right now, can't really be of much help today
15:32 < selloso> a get outta here, no problem ;)
15:32 < Wombert> that's not what I said :P
15:32 < Wombert> others will be happy to help you around here
15:42 < Wombert> who else in here is from europe
15:42 < Wombert> Spica?
15:42 < Wombert> selloso?
15:42 < Wombert> gribelu?
15:42 < selloso> yeah, i'm
15:42 < Wombert> fill87?
15:42 < Wombert> EoN?
15:43 < Wombert> can you register with nickserv, selloso 
15:43 < Wombert> so we can talk in a query
15:43 < selloso> nickserv
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15:45 < selloso> okay, i think ii worked
15:45 < Wombert> now authenticate
15:46 < selloso> /authenticate
15:46 < selloso> damn, i not familiar with IRC :)
15:46 < Wombert> send a message to NickServ
15:46 < Wombert> AUTHENTICATE <passwd>
15:46 < v-dogg>  /msg NickServ identify pw
15:47 < v-dogg> (nicks are case-insensitive)
15:49 < Wombert> now we know your password ;)
15:49 < Wombert> and you're authed already, so it worked
15:49 < v-dogg> haha
15:50 < Wombert> oh wait IDENTIFY?
15:50 < Wombert> sorry :P
15:50 < selloso> yeah, as i said, i'm not familiar with IRC
15:50 < Wombert> anyway, look at my message, selloso 
15:50 < selloso> how can i change my password
15:50 < selloso> ?
15:50 < selloso> PASSWORD help
15:50 < Wombert> type /query NickServ
15:51 < Wombert> then a window/tab opens for NickServ (that's just a user)
15:51 < Wombert> type HELP
15:52 < Wombert> [17:51] NickServ: Syntax: SET PASSWORD <newpass>
15:52 < Wombert> [17:51] NickServ: This changes your current password to <newpass>.  Be
15:52 < Wombert> [17:51] NickServ: sure to use an obscure password that cannot be easily
15:52 < Wombert> [17:51] NickServ: guessed.
15:52 < fill87> zomglolkthxbai
15:53 < Wombert> yup
15:53 < Wombert> :>
15:53 < selloso> ah, now i got it
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18:58 < fill87> lolz
18:58  * impl glances
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21:05 < _cheerios> http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o37/SchumiFan777/F1%20Funny/untitled1fq7.jpg
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00:14 < fill87> f
00:15 < fill87> wow agavi is very cool
00:19 < Wombert> ;)
00:19 < impl> Wombert: working late again, huh?
00:19 < Wombert> yes
00:19 < impl> :(
00:19 < Wombert> 2am again
00:19 < impl> damn
00:19 < Wombert> been rocking since 11am
00:20 < Wombert> let's see if I can beat the 30 hours of last weekend
00:20 < Wombert> five days to go till launch...
00:20 < impl> You gonna make it?
00:20 < Wombert> yes
00:20 < impl> ;D
00:20 < Wombert> it's not gonna be super pretty everywhere
00:20 < Wombert> but yes
00:20 < Wombert> problem is that all the managers etc want to see results
00:20 < Wombert> tomorrow, for instance
00:20 < Wombert> there's a lot of dependencies with other parties
00:21  * impl nods
00:21 < impl> How is your dev team, btw?
00:21 < Wombert> so we can't do it regular web app style and just push new updates every couple minutes and fix things on the go
00:21 < impl> yah
00:21 < Wombert> the team is okay
00:22 < Wombert> you know how anal I can be :p
00:22 < impl> Yeah :P
00:22 < impl> It's good, though, much rather have that than the opposite
00:22 < Wombert> yes, but you need to learn to make comprimises and stuff
00:23 < Wombert> anyway, from a, let's say, less idealist standpoint, they're doing fine
00:23 < Wombert> mostly
00:23 < impl> :)
00:23 < Wombert> there were some moments again today where certain people were lucky not to be in the office
00:24 < Wombert> but well, you gotta live with that ;)
00:24 < nfq> Jeez Wombert, you are my kind of guy. I love it when people go the extra mile to make great things happen. I get called Anal way too much!
00:24 < Wombert> heh
00:24 < Wombert> did you shoot an email to whatever-his-name-is?
00:25 < Wombert> I'm afraid I didn't have time to write him and warn him in advance or anything
00:25 < nfq> by the way, thanks for all the mails... will reply later..
00:25 < Wombert> I hope he remembers me at all :p
00:25 < nfq> and yes, will email him tomorrow for sure!
00:25 < Wombert> cool
00:25 < nfq> nah, no worries.. will do my sales pitch
00:25 < nfq> spoke to my team by the way, and they like your idea!!
00:26 < Wombert> yes?
00:26 < Wombert> glad to hear that
00:26 < Wombert> I'm really a) tired and b) friggen busy today
00:26 < Wombert> but we can talk about this again tomorrow in the evening or on tuesday
00:27 < Wombert> I mean... carry on if you like or message me or whatever right now, no biggie
00:27 < nfq> ah, no worries.. Just wanted to let you know.. no rush chatting.. I need to finalise stuff anyway.. 
00:27 < Wombert> I'm just in a bit of a rush
00:27 < nfq> nah, nothing solid..
00:27 < Wombert> fabulous
00:27 < nfq> Sleep well man and speak soon!!
00:28 < Wombert> it's gonna be some hours till I can get sleep
00:28 < Wombert> ;>
00:28 < nfq> damn, I hate that.. well sleep when you do!  ;) 
00:28 < Wombert> the only really frustrating thing is that it's not my or the teams fault at all that we need to work weekends and nights
00:28 < nfq> I hate that too.. well, I hope you are earning good!
00:29 < Wombert> mmmmmh :p
00:29 < Wombert> could be better
00:30 < nfq> know the feeling!
00:30 < Wombert> at least given the stress and everything
00:30 < Wombert> but
00:30 < Wombert> need to rock on now :)
00:30 < nfq> Well, hopefully as the company grows, you start to get in the big time..
00:30  * Wombert slaps fill87 
00:30 < Wombert> and you too!
00:30 < Wombert> ;)
00:30 < nfq> laters..
00:30 < Wombert> yah
00:30 < nfq> and thanks!
00:30 < Wombert> of course
00:31  * fill87 slaps back
00:33 < nfq> hey v-dogg
00:34 < Wombert> I don't think he's up
00:34 < Wombert> it's 3:30 in finland
00:34 < nfq> ah, thanks! He tried to ping me a few times..
00:34  * fill87 unterschreibt nen güst'gen mietvertrag bei sixt
00:34 < nfq> I was out and about
00:57 < kaos|work> impl ?
00:57 < impl> kaos|work ?
00:57 < kaos|work> what was the url to your irc framework again ?
00:57 < kaos|work> and didn you write some general socket lib as well ?
00:57 < kaos|work> i could need a thing like that right now ;)
00:57 < impl> yeah
00:57 < impl> er um hold on
00:57 < kaos|work> cool
00:58 < impl> http://modualo.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/modualo/trunk/src/socket/IRCSocket.class.php?revision=4&view=markup
00:58 < impl> http://modualo.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/modualo/trunk/src/socket/IRCDefaultSocket.class.php?revision=4&view=markup
00:58 < impl> Don't use revision 11, it's totally broken :\
00:59 < impl> I just haven't gotten around to fixing it yet
01:01  * impl should fix it..
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02:11 < kaos|work> hmm, i need support von unix sockets
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05:20 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:20 < Wombert> morning
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06:13 < _cheerios> huomenta
06:20 < Wombert> huomenta
06:21 < Wombert> how do you pronounce that anyway
06:24 < _cheerios> same as written :)
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06:24 < Wombert> hoo-oh-men-tah?
06:24 < _cheerios> huo-men-ta
06:24 < Wombert> so not like in hugo?
06:24 < Wombert> more like in howdy?
06:26 < _cheerios> only if you want to sound foreign
06:26 < Wombert> :>
06:29 < _cheerios> mmm... like you sai "hai" (!), change that to "huo" - men (like in English) - ta (~like tap in English, without the p)
06:30 < _cheerios> sai... ;) say
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06:36 < _cheerios> are you getting any sleep yet, Wombert ?
06:39 < Wombert> nope
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08:33 < _cheerios> ...
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09:03 < Whisller> Good morning :)
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14:19 < CIA-3> dominik * r2067 /branches/0.11/src/validator/AgaviValidationManager.class.php: 
14:19 < CIA-3> add missing $incidents declaration
14:19 < CIA-3> closes #566
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15:32 < Spica> Hello!
15:33 < Spica> I have a routing problem which I cannot figure out.
15:33 < Spica> http://pastebin.ca/672405 <- my routing.xml
15:33 < Spica> The problematic route is journal.adjustCalendar (the bottom-most).
15:34 < Whisller> {}
15:34 < Spica> I get a 404 when I attempt foo.org/journal/04/2006 .
15:34 < Spica> Whisller: ?
15:35 < Whisller> "^/({calendarMonth:\d{1,2}})/({calendarYear:[0-9]{4}})$" ?
15:36 < Spica> Well I'll be damned.
15:36 < Spica> Whisller: Thanks a lot!
15:36 < Spica> Why dies it require {}, too?
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15:36 < Spica> Why () are not enough?
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15:43 < Whisller> ehhh kurwa opera was read movie from divix page, I have 40 minutes of movie and it was crashed ehhhh
15:44 < Whisller> :/
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16:12 < kaos|work> Spica: () are indeed enough
16:12 < kaos|work> the ({}) syntax is used for pre and postfixes
16:12 < kaos|work> so you could do (/{foo:.*}.html)
16:13 < kaos|work> which would give you a "foo" => "hello" result for "/hello.html"
16:13 < kaos|work> and in your case you would need to escape the {}
16:14 < kaos|work> pattern="^/(calendarMonth:\d\{1,2\})/(calendarYear:[0-9]\{4\})$
16:14 < kaos|work> will do
16:32 < _cheerios> "duckakke" (God bless anime)
16:33 < _cheerios> did you break the chains and escape from work kaos, being on IRC? ;)
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17:12 < kaos|work> _cheerios: hmm, no
17:12 < kaos|work> i just found the button to start my irc client again :P
17:15 < _cheerios> ah, yes, you're on a mac these days. understandable.
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19:15 < splatch`> hello
19:21 < impl> hej
19:24 < _cheerios> sup
19:26 < splatch`> blah, i so tired
19:27 < splatch`> and i haven't coffee at home
19:27 < splatch`> and tiramisu :)
19:30 < _cheerios> mmm... i havent had desserts for some time
19:34 < splatch`> i not sleep from yesterday
19:34 < splatch`> don't sleep
19:34 < splatch`> today at work i was zombie
19:34 < splatch`> "aha", "no", "thanks"
19:34 < _cheerios> im still recovering from moving on friday.
19:35 < _cheerios> was tired thruout the weekend. getting back to normal now :)
19:35 < splatch`> hehe, my weekend was hard
19:35 < splatch`> also
19:36 < splatch`> ok, bye all! :)
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01:52 < impl> Wombert: I hope you've slept since yesterday
01:52 < impl> D:
01:53 < Wombert> 2 hrs
01:53 < Wombert> can't sleep now
01:53 < Wombert> will try in a bit
01:53 < impl> mmm, you're killing yourself :|
02:03 < nfq> Damn Wombert, still up?
02:03 < nfq> I hate it when deadlines loom.. Sleep doesn't exist then..
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06:44 < _cheerios> huomenta
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11:21 < JarRoDk> halow ?
11:22 < JarRoDk> eny Body Hear ?
11:23 < v-dogg> yes
11:23 < v-dogg> welcome
11:23 < JarRoDk> Hallow ; ]
11:24 < JarRoDk> may i write question ?
11:24 < v-dogg> go ahead
11:24 < JarRoDk> about agavi ( i have some problem with "agavi module" )
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11:25 < JarRoDk> well
11:25 < JarRoDk> i write agavi project
11:25 < JarRoDk> example 'testagavi'
11:26 < JarRoDk> and wen i write agavi module 
11:26 < JarRoDk> i allways get message 
11:26 < JarRoDk> that build is faild 
11:26 < v-dogg> what's the message?
11:26 < JarRoDk> unable to determine the location of the project directory base
11:27 < JarRoDk> on c:\xampp\php
11:27 < JarRoDk> i use xampp ( you see that ) 
11:27 < JarRoDk> if are restriction with windows (apache, pear, agavi) ?
11:27 < JarRoDk> a thing that i dont know how to set base of the project
11:28 < v-dogg> how did you install agavi (where is your agavi.bat and agavi source) and where do you execute "agavi project"?
11:28 < JarRoDk> that way agavi don't know how to build module ( sorry i am from poland meyby i don't so good writ in english )
11:28 < v-dogg> you did execute "agavi project" literally? not "agavi agavitest" but really "agavi project"?
11:29 < JarRoDk> weel i install agavi like is write in agavi.org
11:29 < v-dogg> using pear?
11:29 < JarRoDk> pear install agavi 
11:29 < v-dogg> ok
11:29 < JarRoDk> yes
11:29 < v-dogg> and then?
11:29 < JarRoDk> jest i write agavi project then i name projekt agavitest
11:29 < v-dogg> and where do you do this (in what directory)?
11:30 < JarRoDk> c:\xampp\php
11:30 < v-dogg> what do you mean "name project agavitest"?
11:30 < JarRoDk> i nemed this projekt "agavitest"
11:30 < JarRoDk> wen agavi ask me how to named projekt
11:30 < JarRoDk> project
11:31 < JarRoDk> sorry my english
11:31 < JarRoDk> ; /
11:31 < JarRoDk> that mine when i crate project 
11:32 < JarRoDk> i must go to project folder 
11:32 < v-dogg> I'm not sure what you mean by "naming". agavi projects aren't named.
11:32 < JarRoDk> and run agavi.bat in this folder
11:32 < v-dogg> paste everything you have done (pastebin.ca please)
11:32 < JarRoDk> hmm 
11:32 < JarRoDk> ok 
11:33 < JarRoDk> c:\xampp\php>agavi project
11:33 < v-dogg> and what is the path you gave it?
11:33 < JarRoDk> full path to your new project (no trailing slash!) [c:\xampp\php]? agavitest
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11:34 < v-dogg> "_ full path _"
11:34 < JarRoDk> ok 
11:35 < JarRoDk> full path to your new project (no trailing slash!) [c:\xampp\php]? C:\xampp\htdocs\agavi
11:35 < v-dogg> just create the directory you want to use e.g. c:\workspace\myproject
11:35 < v-dogg> and execute "agavi project" from there
11:35 < JarRoDk> i alsow do that way
11:36 < JarRoDk> yhm and i must run agavi.bat from c:\xampp\php\agavi.bat 
11:36 < JarRoDk> in this folder e.g. c:\workspace\myproject
11:37 < JarRoDk> ok i test this but i do that 
11:38 < JarRoDk> then i have problem with phing
11:38 < JarRoDk> command 
11:40 < JarRoDk> ok i change c:\xampp\php\agavi.bat ( UnHash set PHING_COMMAND=c:\xampp\php\phing.bat )
11:40 < JarRoDk> but
11:41 < JarRoDk> i have again 
11:41 < JarRoDk> BUILD FAILD C:\xampp\php\pear\agavi\build.xml:125:24
11:41 < v-dogg> did you install phing via pear?
11:42 < JarRoDk> Unable to determine the location of the project directory based on c:\xampp\htdocs\agavi
11:42 < JarRoDk> i thing that phing is installing with agavi 
11:42 < JarRoDk> pear config-set auto_discover 1
11:42 < JarRoDk> pear install --alldeps agavi/agavi
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12:07 < JarRoDk> anybody can help me ?
12:08 < _cheerios> is there a specific question in all that rambling?
12:10 < Wombert> JarRoDk: I think it's an XAMPP problem
12:10 < Wombert> I've seen it a lot that pear doesn't run properly there
12:10 < Wombert> probably some paths missing or so
12:11 < JarRoDk> thing that is problem with \ / in xml ( becouse in windows is \ but in unix is /
12:11 < JarRoDk> )
12:11 < v-dogg> no, php can handle both
12:11 < JarRoDk> if anybody run this in windows ?
12:12 < v-dogg> many of us
12:12 < JarRoDk> or allways *nix ?
12:12 < v-dogg> mysqel included
12:12 < JarRoDk> hmm 
12:12 < v-dogg> myself*
12:12 < JarRoDk> ok i will try 
12:12 < JarRoDk> more this enyway 
12:13 < JarRoDk> ThX v-dogg, Wombert.
12:13 < v-dogg> ditch pear and install everything manually
12:13 < v-dogg> it's easy
12:13 < JarRoDk> manual ok 
12:13 < Wombert> or ditch xampp :p
12:14 < v-dogg> or that :)
12:14 < JarRoDk> hehe ; ] i upgrade xampp ; ]
12:14 < JarRoDk> ehh 
12:14 < JarRoDk> i will try
12:14 < v-dogg> I actually don't see the point of these lamp/xampp/whatever bundles
12:15 < v-dogg> instead of clicking setup.exe three times you click one and get a messed up system
12:15 < JarRoDk> hehe ; ]
12:16 < JarRoDk> well i have my serv with apache + php + but i am Layse ; ]
12:19 < _cheerios> JarJar was lazy too. Everyone hated him. Didn't he get killed in Star Wars?
12:20 < Wombert> no
12:20 < JarRoDk> ; ]
12:21 < JarRoDk> JarJar no -> Jaba has dayed ; ] _cheerios
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12:56 < digitarald> how do i use AgaviCalendar to have nice dates from mysql datetime fields :)
12:56 < digitarald> in doctrine
12:56 < MikeSeth> digitarald: I think you just pass it a DateTime object
12:57 < digitarald> there is no constructor :(
12:57 < digitarald> and ::set only allows integer values year/month...
12:58 < Wombert> to _()
12:58 < Wombert> _d
12:59 < digitarald> to _d ... mh
12:59 < digitarald> I thought I can use it directly
13:00 < digitarald> for helpers like before, after
13:00 < digitarald> but it depends on the local, right
13:01 < digitarald> mh
13:02 < digitarald> _d returns a formatted date, thats not what I want
13:03 < Wombert> AgaviCalendar accepts a date string as input
13:03 < Wombert> in the ctor
13:04 < digitarald> ... and when I use DateTime instead?
13:04 < Wombert> !?
13:04 < Wombert> it also accepts a datetime object in the ctor :p
13:04 < Wombert> and DateTime also accepts a string in the ctor
13:04 < v-dogg> (and you can get a string from the DT :p )
13:05 < v-dogg> win-win-win \o/
13:05 < digitarald> so ... $created = new AgaviCalendar('12-10-1982 11:11:11')
13:06 < Wombert> no
13:06 < Wombert> $tm->createCalendar()
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13:07 < digitarald> $type ... This can be either an AgaviLocale, an AgaviTimeZone or
13:07 < digitarald>   *                   a string specifying the calendar type.
13:07 < digitarald> its not clear for me that is can take also DateTime ... but now when I read the code :)
13:08 < digitarald> php docs for DateTime are === 0
13:10 < digitarald> officially since 5.2 but without docs ... wtf
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13:41 < digitarald> ... sfMembersiteWithFrontendAndBackend
13:45 < v-dogg> hihihi
13:45 < digitarald> scary symfonians
13:49 < kaos|work> digitarald: http://de.php.net/manual/en/function.date-create.php
13:49 < kaos|work> all the methods prefixed with date_ can be used on the datetime object iirc
13:50 < digitarald> so DateTime has no methods?
13:50 < digitarald> or .. where are they :)
13:50 < kaos|work> in the menu left  ?:P
13:50 < kaos|work> everything starting with date_ 
13:50 < digitarald> ah, k
13:50 < kaos|work> php docs suck for classes
13:50 < kaos|work> and the reason why createcalendar doesn't accept a date string as input is mainly because it wouldn't know how to parse it
13:51 < MikeSeth> shouldnt we call then symmphiotics?
13:51 < MikeSeth> or
13:51 < MikeSeth> symphilities? ;)
13:52 < MikeSeth> no
13:52 < MikeSeth> symphilitics
13:52 < MikeSeth> and the whole project shall be renamed to symphilis
13:52 < kaos|work> you would need to use the date formatter for parsing strings
13:52 < kaos|work> but the formatter needs a format defined
13:52 < kaos|work> so just doing new DateTime("2007...");
13:52 < digitarald> ... this DateTime class is really weird idea from the php people
13:52 < kaos|work> yes
13:52 < digitarald> or create_date
13:52 < kaos|work> it is
13:53 < kaos|work> since you can't even query for individual fields
13:53 < kaos|work> except using the format functionality
13:53 < v-dogg> you can't?! hah
13:53 < MikeSeth> digitarald: you mean weirder than the reflection API, the mail() function and naming conventions in the string library? ;)
13:53 < kaos|work> MikeSeth:  simplilitics is cool :D
13:53 < kaos|work> MikeSeth: which library ? :P
13:53 < MikeSeth> kaos|work: the one with all the str* functions
13:53 < kaos|work> well, i would not call that a library :P
13:54 < digitarald> and arguments for string/array functions ...
13:54 < kaos|work> its a collection of functions
13:54 < MikeSeth> well I would not call that a naming convention either
13:54 < kaos|work> some being straigt unix like
13:54 < kaos|work> and some being
13:54 < kaos|work> err
13:54 < kaos|work> just strange :D
13:54 < digitarald> thats why i love to code mootools
13:54 < digitarald> its everything so clean and consistent
13:54 < kaos|work> digitarald: the argument order is a realy pita
13:54 < kaos|work> probably the only reason why i would use eclipse for php
13:54 < v-dogg> hear hear
13:55 < digitarald> in doctrine they do not stop to be symfonians ... i have to switch that channel off
13:55 < MikeSeth> kaos|work: god damn, all PHP needs is friendly hash syntax so that functions could receive named parameters out of order without resorting to hacks like func_get_parms
13:56 < kaos|work> MikeSeth: well, php could need much more
13:56 < kaos|work> it's great that there's stuff like array_filter
13:56 < MikeSeth> kaos|work: well I don't mean there's no need for mass genocide of the morons who write 90% of PHP code
13:56 < kaos|work> but array_filter($foo, create_function('$a', 'return (bool)$a'));
13:56 < MikeSeth> but still. { 'foo' => 'bar' } would be so nice.
13:57 < kaos|work> etc ;)
13:57  * kaos|work would love ruby with a c/php like syntax
13:58 < kaos|work> but the ruby syntax is just as crazy as php sometimes
13:58 < kaos|work> @foo
13:58 < kaos|work> @@foo
13:58 < kaos|work> etc
13:58 < digitarald> but its more logical
13:58 < digitarald> there are rules for stuff
13:58 < digitarald> one rule for one syntax
13:58 < digitarald> not $var, {$var}, ${var}
13:59 < kaos|work> yeah, but this doesn't make the syntax any better :p
13:59 < kaos|work> (or maybe i've just been coding c like language too much)
13:59 < kaos|work> i had a quick look at erlang few days ago
13:59 < digitarald> there is only #{var} as template placeholder
13:59 < kaos|work> and now that language is REALLY strange
14:00 < kaos|work> you can't assign to a variable multiple times
14:00 < kaos|work> soo FOO = 1
14:00 < MikeSeth> kaos|work: I never said I adore ruby's @syntax
14:00 < kaos|work> FOO = 2
14:00 < MikeSeth> either way
14:00 < kaos|work> doesn't work
14:00 < MikeSeth> We're just trying to imitate lisp. Badly.
14:00 < MikeSeth> ;)
14:00 < kaos|work> hehe :)
14:01 < kaos|work> ((well, (the) ((only) thing) (i know) (about) (lisp (is (that)) it (has a lot) of parenthesis)
14:01 < kaos|work> *g*
14:02 < MikeSeth> it just looks that way until you get it. then you dont see the parens anymore
14:02 < kaos|work> maybe
14:03 < kaos|work> i'm fine with my c++ ;)
14:03 < MikeSeth> im tearing my hair apart 
14:03 < MikeSeth> with their C++
14:03 < kaos|work> which has multiple inheritance ... which is all i ever need *g*
14:03 < MikeSeth> I have two vendors, one supplies a host application, another a client application
14:04 < MikeSeth> both wouldn't share the sources or debug each other's code
14:04 < MikeSeth> both accuse each other of violating the [stateful, OOP] API
14:04 < MikeSeth> I live in a nightmare
14:04 < kaos|work> yay ... 
14:04 < kaos|work> sadly our tech world is mostly driven by morons
14:05 < kaos|work> who probably should never have touched a computer
14:05 < digitarald> poll: how do u implement localized records in your database, doctrine here for me? Multiple records per entry, splitted columns, multiple columns per localized columns ... whatever
14:06 < kaos|work> digitarald: didn't we have that discussion some time ago and didn't come to a real conclusion ?
14:06 < digitarald> we ... no
14:06 < kaos|work> well, we = the channel
14:06 < digitarald> i had with felix, a long time ago
14:06 < digitarald> ok, so I read the logs
14:06 < digitarald> but when there is no conclusion its no fun :D
14:06 < kaos|work> but i think the conclusion was
14:06 < kaos|work> it always depends on the case
14:07 < kaos|work> how much of an record would have to be translated
14:07 < kaos|work> and things like that
14:07 < kaos|work> if you translate most of the fields in an record i would probably go the multiple records per entry path
14:08 < kaos|work> since that would be the easiest solution in regards to search etc
14:08 < kaos|work> if you start splitting your tables into a base part which is always the same and a language dependent part you'd always have to build joins to do your searches, etc
14:09 < digitarald> uh
14:09 < MikeSeth> digitarald: I am about to face this problem. I imagine it all depends on table size
14:10 < digitarald> but I have several tables that have localized information
14:10 < MikeSeth> then I suppose you could use the Doctrine's facilities to properly select the table at runtime
14:11 < digitarald> And I don't want to have 2 different i19n pattern ... so several records with one unique index seems to be the best
14:11 < MikeSeth> now that I think of it it supports inherited tables as well
14:11 < kaos|work> it does ?
14:11 < MikeSeth> IIRC
14:11 < MikeSeth> lemme loko
14:12 < kaos|work> that's a feature i really miss in propel
14:12 < MikeSeth> http://www.phpdoctrine.net/doctrine/manual/new/?one-page=1#mapping-relations:inheritance
14:12 < MikeSeth> it does indeed, and looks its better than Rails' AR
14:12 < MikeSeth> you can even aggregate columns, which IIRC AR doesnt do
14:13 < digitarald> for example i have the crazy task to allow localized tags
14:13 < kaos|work> digitarald: poor guy :/
14:13 < MikeSeth> digitarald: that really is mad crazy
14:13 < MikeSeth> consider yourself penetrated..
14:13 < digitarald> i still don't know if thats a good idea :D
14:14 < MikeSeth> would it change anything if I told you it aint?
14:16 < digitarald> yes, I'll forget that we need that
14:16 < digitarald> ok ... forgotten
14:16 < digitarald> ticket closed
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14:16 < digitarald> next ... localize categories ... closed
14:16 < digitarald> mh ... localized photo data is more important
14:17  * kaos|work wonders if right now anyone doing web development is NOT doing something with tags/images/videos
14:17 < kaos|work> right now
14:17 < digitarald> its my degree work, it has to be right-now-technologie ;)
14:19 < MikeSeth> kaos|work: <<<<
14:19 < kaos|work> you'r kinda special anyways MikeSeth ;)
14:19 < MikeSeth> then again I do backend apps, not web sites
14:19 < kaos|work> see ^^
14:20 < digitarald> tags can be everywhere, not only backends ;)
14:21 < _cheerios> tags are so 2004
14:21 < digitarald> damn ... whats the new stuff?
14:22 < digitarald> sfWeb3.0?
14:22 < _cheerios> there hasn't been any new-new stuff for a while, just improvements
14:23 < digitarald> whats the best naming convention for m-n reference tables?
14:24 < digitarald> XTagPhoto ... Tag2Photo ... RefTagPhoto ... TagXPhoto
14:24 < MikeSeth> I usually go with ms-ns
14:24 < MikeSeth> er, ms_ns
14:24 < MikeSeth> then again I tend to have all field/table names in lowercase
14:24 < digitarald> its for the record name in doctrine
14:25 < MikeSeth> it feels kinda creepy and microsofty with CamelCased names
14:25 < digitarald> so ms_ns would be MsNs
14:25 < digitarald> :)
14:25 < digitarald> record name ... thats why camelcase is ok :)
14:26 < digitarald> ok, thats my naming too
14:26 < _cheerios> i couldn't get ms_ns named tables to work with Doctrine
14:30 < digitarald> oh, really?
14:30 < digitarald> ... checking
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14:52 < MrJeep> is there some doc online explaining how I can make a validator depend on another one ?
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15:42 < MrJeep> let me explain
15:42 < MrJeep> I have a profile form
15:42 < MrJeep> but if the user is a commercial member, he has an "organization" part in his profile form
15:42 < MrJeep> all the fields in this group are required
15:42 < MrJeep> if displayed
15:43 < MrJeep> I'm looking for a way to turn these validator On when the user is a commercial member
15:43 < v-dogg> MrJeep: register validators manually 
15:43 < MrJeep> yeah, I know that's a way
15:43 < MrJeep> but what I was thinking
15:44 < MrJeep> in the register validator
15:44 < v-dogg> I have a similar case where I register different validators based on user settings (a user can hide elements from the form)
15:44 < MrJeep> manually create a "provides" value
15:44 < MrJeep> and all the validator for the commercial user requires this value
15:45 < MrJeep> but I can also just manually register the validators
15:45 < digitarald> u can have an hidden field in the form to switch validators in the xml with depends/provides
15:46 < MrJeep> :-O
15:46 < MrJeep> i'll take a look at this
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16:09 < nfq> Damn, digitarald, I am lurking here too since you suggested Agavi.. another fun room to waste time in!  ;) 
16:10 < digitarald> and to learn a lot of stuff :D
16:10 < nfq> Of course.. A nice crew. Wombert has been most helpful so far about my upcoming project..
16:17 < _cheerios> anyone done sharding?
16:18 < v-dogg> who's he?-)
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16:38 < digitarald> the language column ... whould it be a 2-chars "en"
16:38 < digitarald> or the long version?
16:39 < digitarald> *should
16:46 < _cheerios> digitarald, did you try ms_ns naming?
16:47 < digitarald> in 10min
16:48 < _cheerios> doctrine importer is like from the stoneage compared to what propel gives ya, bleh
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16:49 < digitarald> they started to refactor their code at the beginning of this summer
16:49 < digitarald> and most features came this summer
16:49 < _cheerios> i tested myself, seems to work fine. mustve done something wrong when i tested previously.
16:50 < digitarald> its not even 1.0 rc1 ... :)
16:50 < _cheerios> the default importer doesnt add the correct tablename to the doctrine record
16:55 < digitarald> it seems so odd to create an extra record for every language of an entry
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17:01 < _cheerios> patched Doctrine. not a good sign. :p
17:01 < _cheerios> seems you're in fun-land, digitarald :D
17:02 < digitarald> I don't know
17:02 < digitarald> I think i'll stick with the extra-detail-table
17:15 < _cheerios> Antonio Puerta footballer heart attack at 22-yo. that sucks.
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17:21 < Whisller> guten tag ;p
17:21 < Whisller> morning
17:21 < Whisller> hmm evening
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17:43 < JanK_> whats the correct package? i get this error "Package "channel://pear.agavi.org/agavi-0.11" is not valid"
17:46 < _cheerios> mainpage has the channel for PEAR.
17:46 < JanK_> _cheerios: i copied from main page, but that didnt work
17:47 < _cheerios> [1]: pear config-set auto_discover 1 and pear install --alldeps channel://pear.agavi.org/agavi-0.11.0RC5 will get you up and running.
17:47 < _cheerios> looks a bit different to me
17:47 < JanK_> Cannot initialize 'channel://pear.agavi.org/agavi-0.11.0RC5', invalid or missing package file
17:48 < JanK_> copied another try, but thats the one from tha homepage
17:48 < _cheerios> I use SVN myself. Wombert?
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17:51 < _cheerios> The site itself has different instructions http://pear.agavi.org/index.php?install and only an Agavi package, plus http://pear.agavi.org/get/agavi-0.11.0RC5.tgz
17:56 < JanK_> i think the channel discover command is only an alias for the link
17:57 < JanK_> and i tried a couple of variations
17:59 < _cheerios> did "pear install --alldeps agavi/agavi" work?
18:02 < Wombert> odd
18:03 < Wombert> JanK_: uninstall first
18:05 < Wombert> this is a weird pear error if you have the package installed already
18:08 < JanK_> ok, now it works and i got one step further
18:09 < JanK_> a couple of packages and channels are added, but "No valid packages found"
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18:15 < nfq> Hey Jank_ looking into agavi?
18:16 < nfq> It was good chatting the other night... Hopefully we chat again soon..
18:16 < JanK_> nfq: starting to, i want to start with the sample app
18:16 < nfq> Excellent.. Want to have a private chat later?
18:18 < JanK_> sure
18:18 < JanK_> first i need to get agavi to run
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18:30 < nfq> sure.. 
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18:52 < v-dogg> hmmm.. fpf logging...
18:52 < v-dogg> gotta figure it out. anyone awake to help me?-)
18:53 < kaos|work> just configure a logger
18:53 < kaos|work> iirc it just logs to the default logger
18:53 < kaos|work> (when debug is on)
18:53 < v-dogg> so it seems (reading the source)
18:54 < v-dogg> ah, no
18:54 < v-dogg> $cfg['logging_logger']
18:54 < _cheerios> pastie when done. i have a logger setup, but i never get the fpf page printout.
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19:00 < v-dogg> " Logger "" has not been configured. "
19:01 < v-dogg> ah, sorted
19:02 < v-dogg> ladies and gentlemen, we have logging
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19:08 < _cheerios> what ye do, what ye do?
19:09 < Wombert> v-dogg: no need to specify a logger there
19:09 < Wombert> just core.use_logging on
19:10 < v-dogg> http://pastebin.ca/673863
19:10 < v-dogg> but I want to :)
19:11 < Wombert> it uses FATAL as level
19:14 < v-dogg> I didn't even know/remember there is such a level :)
19:14 < v-dogg> did I do it?-)
19:14 < Wombert> well
19:15 < Wombert> it's logged to all loggers that catch this level
19:16 < v-dogg> sure sure, I just didn't remember there's a level named FATAL
19:16 < v-dogg> but apparently it has been there since 0.9.0 :)
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19:25 < _cheerios> v-dogg tuning digibox for start of Big Brother ? :)
19:29  * v-dogg goes to find an axe to chop all antenna cables with
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19:32 < _cheerios> 97 weeks of joy, v-dogg! http://www.bigbrother.fi/
19:33 < v-dogg> 97 weeks, wtf?
20:00 < _cheerios> ah, days ;)
20:10  * Wombert pokes JanK_ 
20:10 < Wombert> did you succeed installing it?
20:11 < JanK_> now i got some trouble with pear
20:11 < JanK_> cant install the PhpDocumentor
20:11 < Wombert> leave out --alldeps
20:12 < JanK_> phing/phing requires package "pear/PhpDocumentor" (version >= 1.3.0RC3), installed version is
20:13 < JanK_> which imho causes "No valid packages found install failed"
20:14 < Wombert> well
20:14 < Wombert> just uninstall agavi/agavi
20:14 < Wombert> then install again without the --alldeps
20:15 < JanK_> i left out the alldeps
20:15 < nfq> You installing locally Jank_?
20:15 < Wombert> --onlyreqdeps
20:15 < Wombert> ?
20:15 < JanK_> nfq: yes
20:16 < nfq> Wombert, Jank_ is on a Mac.. this shouldn't be an issue I guess?
20:16 < Wombert> I'm on a mac and it's all fine ;)
20:16 < nfq> Yeah, you said! Good ol apple!
20:16 < Wombert> deffo
20:16 < JanK_> heres the output: http://paste2.org/p/6522
20:17 < Wombert> aaah phing requires phpdocumentor
20:17 < Wombert> phing/phing requires package "pear/PhpDocumentor" (version >= 1.3.0RC3), installed version is
20:17 < Wombert> that indicates a problem with your pear install
20:17 < Wombert> something's broken or incomplete
20:17 < Wombert> uninstall phpdocumentor
20:18 < JanK_> oops: PHP Fatal error:  Call to a member function resetDirtree() on a non-object in /opt/local/lib/php/PEAR/Installer.php on line 835
20:19 < Wombert> :p
20:20 < nfq> sorry to butt in: you got PHP 5 installed?
20:20 < nfq> I guess you must do, otherwise that would have thrown an erro!
20:20 < Wombert> ahah
20:20 < Wombert> but yes
20:21 < Wombert> maybe a conflict with the preinstalled pear of OS X's php4
20:21 < nfq> Go to your finder, then Shift Apple G
20:21 < nfq> then /usr/local/
20:22 < nfq> just wondering if you installed the Entropy version .. I suppose this is fine Wombert?
20:22 < Wombert> yes, I use entropy.ch's
20:22 < nfq> me too..
20:25 < JanK_> i searched for the error and found out that i needed to remove a .reg file
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20:25 < JanK_> so now it again tries to install
20:26 < JanK_> another try caused a memory limit, which i now doubled to 256mb
20:26 < nfq> Ah, cool.. Wombert left.. said he needs a rest..
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21:28 < _cheerios> is it possible to give the FPF a string (form) to populate, and get back the populated form contents?
21:33 < _cheerios> nvm, i need to do this via JS in any case
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06:20 < v-dogg> what's the hip notepad replacement (for windows obviously) these days?
06:20 < v-dogg> I've used Crimson but seems it's not developed anymore
06:20 < v-dogg> and I liked to try something new
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06:36 < _cheerios> huomenta
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06:37 < _cheerios> v-dogg, Eclipse :)
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06:38 < _cheerios> of pure "notepads" I do remember using editplus on windows
06:38 < v-dogg> uh.. you are kidding, right?-D
06:40 < _cheerios> yes, i was a windows user once :(
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07:15 < MikeSeth> v-dogg: emacs
07:16 < v-dogg> tried some win gui emacs once and didn't like it at all
07:24 < _cheerios> it gets better after you memorize a hundred+ shortcuts, i hear
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07:26 < MikeSeth> it does. though you only need to memorize a dozen or two and you DO become grateful once you realize the power
07:34 < _cheerios> ...
07:41 < MikeSeth> what?
07:41 < MikeSeth> im not making this up
07:42 < MikeSeth> emacs IS really the most powerful development tool you can wish for
07:42 < MikeSeth> you have to see a wizard working to understand the power it gives you
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07:59 < _trophaeum> +1 for vim :P
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08:42 < Arme[N]> yep +1 for vimm ;)
08:42 < Arme[N]> -m
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09:24 < JarRoDk> v-dogg: are you there ?
09:27 < v-dogg> yes but extremely busy. what's up?
09:27 < JarRoDk> v-dogg: i won to thx you again i find solution yesterday
09:27 < v-dogg> good to hear
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10:03 < Zibi_> hello
10:04 < Zibi_> question: does agavi allows encoded / (slash, backslash) in urls?
10:05 < Zibi_> it redirects me to 404 :/
10:05 < Zibi_> (agavi 404)
10:05 < Zibi_> not apache one
10:12 < Whisller> hi
10:12 < Zibi_> elo
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10:38 < _cheerios> Zibi_, agavi reads what it's being given. An encoded / is still a /.
10:39 < Zibi_> hmmm
10:39 < Zibi_> what do you mean?
10:39 < Zibi_> it looks like it treats %F2 as / and fails on routing
10:40 < _cheerios> can you give an example url that should work and isnt
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10:41 < Zibi_> http://localhost/search/content/asd%2F/0/rel/1/10/
10:42 < Zibi_> and routing is <route name=".content" pattern="^/content(/{term:[^/]+})(/{type:[^/]+})?(/{sortby:(date|rel)})?(/{page:\d+})?(/{count:(10|20|30)})?(/)?$" action=".Content" >
10:42 < Zibi_> but im not sure if its failing on routing or somewhere else
10:43 < Zibi_> its not get to proper action
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10:48 < _cheerios> encoded values go to the right of ?, that's probably just wrong
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10:50 < Wombert> ^/content(/{term:[^/]+})(/{type:[^/]+})?
10:50 < Wombert> you do not needs curly braces for term
10:50 < Wombert> since it's not optional, it doesn't need a non-matching prefix or postfix
10:53 < Wombert> ^/content/(term:[^/]+)(/{type:[^/]+})?
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10:54 < Wombert> and yes, there are problems with %2F on apache
10:54 < Zibi_> nah#
10:54 < Zibi_> i fixed apache
10:54 < Zibi_> im in agavi now
11:00 < Zibi_> object(AgaviControllerException)[184]
11:00 < Zibi_>   protected 'message' => string 'Action "Search" in Module "Portal" could not be found.' 
11:00 < Zibi_> :/
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11:13 < _cheerios> you used http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#allowencodedslashes ?
11:13 < Zibi_> yup
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11:40 < Zibi_> hmm ok thats what i found till now
11:40 < Zibi_> probably that will sound noob but... 
11:40 < Zibi_> ;)
11:41 < Zibi_> its all getting messed up in initialize() of agaviwebrouting
11:42 < Zibi_> first you use $_SERVER['QUERY_STRING'] which is different from $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI']
11:42 < Zibi_> but even then if i use REQUEST_URI somewhere in that function you change all %2F to '/'
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11:43 < Zibi_> i comented out all that function and user $this->input = $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] and it works
11:43 < Zibi_> but its probably  brakes rest of agavi :/
11:46 < Zibi_> line 126 of agaviWebRouting exacly
11:47 < Zibi_> and yea it breakes rest of agavi if i remove it :/
11:52 < Whisller> use callback function in routing and there change all %2F to '/', but I add '/' sign to url and routing doesn't change it to %2F
11:52 < Whisller> brb
11:53 < Zibi_> but thats the problem  i dont want to change all %2F to /
11:54 < Zibi_> i want them change after routing it sorted out
11:54 < Zibi_> and parameters are set up
11:55 < Zibi_> brb too
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12:21 < Wombert> as I said
12:21 < Wombert> it's an apache bug
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12:45 < _cheerios> anyone using google apps for email?
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12:58 < _cheerios> nice hack http://www.igvita.com/blog/2007/08/20/pseudo-reverse-indexes-in-mysql/
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13:08 < _cheerios> “It often happens, with regard to new inventions, that one part of the general public finds them useless and another part considers them to be impossible.
13:08 < _cheerios> When it becomes clear that the possibility and the usefulness can no longer be denied, most agree that the whole thing was fairly easy to discover and that they knew [it] was significant.” 
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13:25 < Zibi_> Wombert: its not apache bug i think
13:26 < Zibi_> you decode url (including %2F)
13:26 < Zibi_> and then using / as params delimiter
13:27 < Zibi_> so if you have param in url with / agavi treats its as 2 things
13:28 < Wombert> no
13:28 < Wombert> apache 2 strips multiple slashes
13:28 < Wombert> anyway, I'm too busy right now, sorry
13:29 < Zibi_> k
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13:54 < _cheerios> anyone done thumbnail generation of web pages?
14:13 < CIA-3> david * r2068 /branches/0.11/src/database/AgaviPropelDatabase.class.php: Allow overriding of specific Propel runtime config directives via databases.xml, closes #567
14:14 < Wombert> you guys are gonna like that one
14:15 < Wombert> no more copying runtime-conf.php-dists around
14:15 < v-dogg> if you say so )
14:15 < v-dogg> :)
14:15 < v-dogg> \o/
14:16 < _cheerios> can the bot paste a link to the ticket here on irc?
14:16 < _cheerios> or does it?
14:16 < Wombert> no, it's just CIA
14:16 < Wombert> Chuckwalla will do that one day
14:17 < _cheerios> k, can get over the "darn-it-but-i-have-to-open-the-browser-open-trac-find-the-ticket-etc" -phase :D
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14:28 < Wombert> <database name="propel" class="AgaviPropelDatabase">
14:28 < Wombert> 	<parameter name="config">%core.config_dir%/project-conf.php</parameter>
14:28 < Wombert> 	<parameter name="overrides">
14:28 < Wombert> 		<parameter name="connection">
14:28 < Wombert> 			<parameter name="host">mysql:host=localhost;dbname=project</parameter>
14:28 < Wombert> 			<parameter name="user">root</parameter>
14:28 < Wombert> 			<parameter name="password"></parameter>
14:28 < Wombert> etc
15:02 < MrJeep> hey wombert, did you see the last site I'm working on ?
15:03 < _cheerios> nice use of flash http://www.fakepilot.com/work/seanjohn3/
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15:34 < Wombert> MrJeep: I think so
15:34 < Wombert> but show it again anyway
15:34 < Wombert> can't remember the URL ;)
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16:03 < MrJeep> www.ima-researchs.com
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17:51 < selloso> hey to all
17:51 < selloso> Has someone in year skills about software licensing concerning the CDDL?
18:10 < _cheerios> did you get caught by an animated Web Patrol for copyright violation? ;)
18:11 < _cheerios> (on the CDDL issue, not an expert)
18:11 < v-dogg> CDDL?
18:12 < selloso> no, i just want to use the reference implementation of the saaj specification, this is under the CDDL
18:12 < Wombert> okay errr
18:12 < Wombert> maybe something is wrong with me but
18:12 < selloso> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Development_and_Distribution_License
18:12 < Wombert> there's a helluva lot of words there I don't understand :p
18:13 < selloso> Yeah, I know this the chat concerning Agvai but i also know that here are very good guys, so i thought maybe thre is somone who can help me :)
18:14 < Whisller> It is for open source code
18:14 < Whisller> apps
18:15 < splatch`> oi!
18:15 < Whisller> hi Spica
18:15 < Whisller> * splatch`
18:15 < selloso> yeah, but as far as I know has the software to be under CDDL which uses components that als under the CDDL
18:15 < splatch`> :D
18:15 < _cheerios> splatch`, is there a file-browser for Eclipse? So I can just browse around, without making projects?
18:15 < Whisller> "Files licensed under the CDDL can be combined with files licensed under other licenses"
18:16 < _cheerios> (preferably on a pane like the Project Explorer)
18:17 < selloso> where did you get that, whisler?
18:17 < Whisller> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Development_and_Distribution_License
18:17 < splatch`> _cheerios: no
18:17 < Whisller> Second line
18:17 < splatch`> _cheerios: eclipse is based on projects
18:18 < _cheerios> it sure is. i sometimes need to test something quickly, not part of a project, and this comes up
18:18 < splatch`> _cheerios: but you can open external file
18:18 < splatch`> _cheerios: you can add link to sources
18:19 < splatch`> _cheerios: file > new folder
18:19 < splatch`> and in dialog check "folder is link to file system" option
18:19 < selloso> damn, why didn't i have this idea?!
18:20 < splatch`> or something like this
18:22 < _cheerios> splatch`, seems a bit backwardish, but if it's what there is. k.
18:22 < selloso> whisller, I already was on this page before but I didn't read carefully... 
18:23 < Whisller> selloso: :)
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18:26 < selloso> but i defintely have  to distribute the source code
18:27 < selloso> but that's not to bad
18:27 < selloso> too bad
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18:31 < selloso> Whisler, am I right If I say that I can use and distribute the jar package together with other jar packages under the apache license?
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18:33 < Whisller> I think, it is. Because you can use files under CDDL licence with other licences
18:34 < Whisller> I think...
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21:09 < _cheerios> Ubuntu goes "Hardy Heron", next "Llustful Llama" and "Pervy Penguin"
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01:51 < Fastly> has anyone here managed to generate routes using smarty as the template renderer with agavi?
01:53 < Fastly> i am having trouble generating routes because assoc arrays cannot be assigned inside a smarty template... e.g. {$ro->gen('directory.country', array('iso_id' => $country->getIsoId()))}
01:53 < Fastly> ahhhh... i knew smarty was a bad idea!
01:54 < impl> Fastly: You may have to gen() the routes in your view
01:55 < Fastly> thought that might be the case... messy...
01:56 < impl> Yeah :( there might be an alternate method, but I've never used Smarty for more than 15 seconds
01:56 < impl> before I said "fuck no, I'm not touching this"
01:56 < Fastly> yeah, i used it for a project a few years ago
01:57 < Fastly> then lost interest and thought i'd give it another chance... 
01:57 < Fastly> with the AgaviSmartyRenderer
01:58 < Fastly> i thought smarty would have moved on much more - the project doesn't actually appear to have moved far
01:58 < impl> I don't think anyone really wants to touch it
01:58 < Fastly> right... well i'm not far. i have a solution. 
01:59  * Fastly waves goodbye to smarty.... now, i have a few templates to fix ;-)
01:59 < impl> :P
02:00 < Fastly> heh... no doubt i'll slash execution time by a couple of milliseconds in the process. what was i thinking?!?
02:01 < impl> no harm in experimenting
02:08 < Fastly> yeah, and i'm not far enough for this to be a disaster - will probably take about 30 mins to change them all
02:09 < Fastly> i know more about agavi renderer classes now too ;-)
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07:31 < _cheerios> huomenta
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07:41 < _cheerios> oh, Netvibes is using mootools these days. Nice reference for the moofellaz.
08:30 < Wombert> wtf
08:31 < Wombert> ezcTemplate does not have a truncate function
08:31 < Wombert> wtf wtf
08:31 < Wombert> they don't have an nl2br either
08:32 < _cheerios> not ezLovin' ez? ;)
08:33 < Wombert> not really
08:33 < Wombert> I thought it was cool but actually, it's pretty useless
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09:20 < Whisller> czesc
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10:36 < Wombert> should I use an isnotempty validator if I want a text field to have a value
10:36 < Wombert> or a string validator?
10:39 < _cheerios> for textareas i usually go with: if(min<1000) echo "~whiplash~ Type more my boring little user.";
10:40 < Wombert> lawl
10:40 < Wombert> you sux0r
10:41 < kaos|work> Wombert: isnotempty imho
10:41 < Wombert> kay
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10:50 < MikeSeth> weeeeeeeee
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11:43 < MikeSeth> are there Agavi buttons yet?
12:04 < Fastly> +1 for agavi buttons :-)
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13:05 < MikeSeth> the or validator shortcircuits right? doesnt evaluate ALL of the validators?
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13:53 < kaos|work> MikeSeth: yup
13:56 < MikeSeth> man validators are such a great invention
13:56 < MikeSeth> lol @ cake
13:57 < kaos|work> MikeSeth: yeah, but it could still be better ;)
13:57 < kaos|work> this is a part which probably will see a full rewrite after 1.0
13:57 < kaos|work> probably aiming for 2.0
13:57 < kaos|work> or some 1.x version
13:57 < MikeSeth> mmm php6 :D
13:58 < kaos|work> while we haven't discussed any plan for 1.x yet
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14:33 < MrJeep> using propel, how do you set "NULL" to a field ?
14:33 < MrJeep> setSomething('null') or
14:33 < MrJeep> setSomething(null)
14:34 < v-dogg> null
14:35 < MrJeep> ok thanks
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16:28 < Wombert> does anyone have digitarald's squeezebox
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17:07 < nfq> Wombert, can't you download it?
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17:32 < luke`> huomenta!
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19:16 < _cheerios> Mmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggghhhhhh!!!
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19:39 < _cheerios> <P><B>There was an&nbsp; <U><BLINK><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">Error</FONT></BLINK></U>&nbsp;
19:39 < _cheerios> processing your request.</B><B></B>
19:40 < _cheerios> old school
19:47 < v-dogg> <MARQUEE>LOL</MARQUEE>
19:48 < v-dogg> <MARQUEE ...> Usage Recommendation: use it, but don't rely on it (http://www.htmlcodetutorial.com/_MARQUEE.html) 
19:48 < v-dogg> :D
19:48 < v-dogg> a very good recommendation
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20:39 < _cheerios> aaah.. brit movies
20:46 < _cheerios> "WHAT ELSE IS THERE?" by RÖYKSOPP <3<3<3<3
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21:07 < _cheerios> v-dogg, that big brother seems to have had quite a good start :)
21:08 < _cheerios> was just watching a clip of them playing the orchestra and then later on masturbating, in his sleep. Wanking on national TV :D
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02:52 < _trophaeum> is Wombert getting sleep yet?
02:52 < Wombert> no
02:52 < _trophaeum> lol
02:52 < Wombert> press preview in a couple of hours
02:52 < Wombert> so things need to be shiny
02:52 < _trophaeum> sleep after that then?
02:52 < _trophaeum> or boss yelling because of a bug after that?
02:59 < Wombert> mh
02:59 < Wombert> probably sleep :p
02:59 < Wombert> if they dare to yell at me I'll tell them to go you-know-what themselves and leave :p
03:01 < _trophaeum> rofl, well if its any consolation, by the time u wake up, there should be a new propel toy that works (better known as debugpropelpdo)
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05:46 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:58 < Wombert>  morning
05:58 < v-dogg> what's up
05:59 < v-dogg> preview release comming up?
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06:05 < Wombert> well
06:05 < Wombert> not for the public :p
06:58 < _trophaeum> we're not public though :P
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08:28 < _cheerios> huomenta
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08:58 < digitarald> Huomenta!
08:58 < digitarald> Validation problem in my hacky code :)
08:59 < digitarald> I want to code a validator, that has multiple arguments (all fields for a record), then use the doctrine record validation
08:59 < digitarald> so far, no problem
08:59 < digitarald> but then I want add a error result only to the failed arguments, not to all
08:59 < digitarald> and a success result to the valid arguments
09:16 < _cheerios> can you pastie how to tie in doctrine validation ? im interested on that part
09:18 < _cheerios> that error to all was problematic also with rossco's FPF patch, i think?
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09:39 < kaos|work> _cheerios: "WHAT ELSE IS THERE?" by RÖYKSOPP <3<3<3<3 <-- the original, or one of the remixes ? ;)
09:39 < digitarald> I paste when I fixed it :)
09:40 < digitarald> the problem is, when I return false from validate, all arguments have the failed fieldresult
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09:42 < kaos|work> digitarald: 	protected function throwError($index = null, $affectedArgument = null)
09:42 < kaos|work> if you pass an array as 2nd parameter you can chose on which fields the validator failed
09:42 < _cheerios> kaos|work, original original. Haven't heard any mixes yet.
09:43 < kaos|work> ah, ok ;)
09:43 < digitarald> kaos|work: I still have the problem, that when I return false the AgaviValidator adds the error results to all arguments
09:43 < kaos|work> hmmm
09:44 < kaos|work> that shouldn't be that way
09:44 < kaos|work> are you working on a agavi fix, or should i look at it ?
09:45 < digitarald> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/validator/AgaviValidator.class.php#L577
09:45 < kaos|work> oi
09:45 < kaos|work> indeed
09:45 < digitarald> maybe an option for that
09:46 < kaos|work> well, i think if one explicitly selects i think it should be that way per default
09:46 < digitarald> tried to get around that with returning true from validate every time and to add the field results on my own ... no luck, I think it was too late for my brain :)
09:47 < digitarald> of course, when a validator failes by default all fields should have an error
09:47 < kaos|work> yeah
09:47 < kaos|work> but if you explicitly call throwError with the failed fields
09:47 < digitarald> but it should be also possible to control that behaviour
09:47 < kaos|work> only these should fail as well
09:47 < kaos|work> imho
09:47 < digitarald> yes
09:47 < kaos|work> but that's a breaking change
09:47 < kaos|work> kinda
09:47 < kaos|work> (ok, it's really a bug, so i think we can fix that ;)
09:48 < digitarald> pleeeeaaassssee ;)#
09:48 < digitarald> I try to hack around it for now
09:49 < kaos|work> can you file a ticket please ?: )
09:51 < digitarald> then I have to find the right words for my problem ... uh
09:52 < digitarald> i simply post the irc log ... *lazy*
09:57  * _cheerios feeds digitarald to hungry cows
09:57 < digitarald> argh ... not to cows
09:57 < digitarald> how was the agavi bot named?
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09:59 < kaos|work_> heh
10:00 < kaos|work_> how about "throwing an error in an validator on selected fields only fields doesn't work"
10:01 < digitarald> "Allowing validator to filter failed arguments with explicit throwError"
10:05 < digitarald> here u go kaos|work: http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/568
10:06 < kaos|work_> thx
10:06 < kaos|work_> i will have a look at it this weekend
10:07 < kaos|work_> i need to write some validation tests before
10:07 < kaos|work_> because changing that thing could possibly break some stuff
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10:09 < kaos|work_> (i don't think it does, but i really don't want to introduce something which breaks validation ^^)
10:15 < digitarald> ok, so now I ignore all my red fields
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10:16 < digitarald> kaos|work_, what would be the new behaviour
10:16 < digitarald> fields only fail when u throw an error?
10:17 < kaos|work_> well, i need to discuss this with wombert first
10:17 < kaos|work_> for all the supplied validators this wouldn't change anything
10:17 < digitarald> sure, the master will have a final solution
10:18 < kaos|work_> since they always fail with all fields
10:18 < digitarald> yes
10:18 < digitarald> who would fail a validator without throwing an error ... but its possible
10:19 < kaos|work_> but it would possibly change the behaviour if someone already used the 2nd parameter of throwError
10:19 < digitarald> btw, an exportByRef would be nice
10:19 < digitarald> additonally to AgaviValidator::export 
10:19 < kaos|work_> O_o
10:20 < digitarald> ... was what I thought yesterday, after hours of hacking around the validator ;)
10:20 < kaos|work_> file a ticket xD
10:20 < kaos|work_> type enhancement pls ;)
10:21 < digitarald> don't know if its useful ... thats why its more a question :)
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16:45 < hobby_> just a question....does anyone have the action_sequence.png from the old mojavi framework laying around?
16:47 < v-dogg> hmm... I had one sequence diagram once...
16:47 < v-dogg> I might still have it somewhere
16:47 < v-dogg> hobby_: can you remind me later (today or some other day). I'm at work and quite busy now
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16:48 < v-dogg> I might have it home
16:48 < hobby_> sure thing
16:48 < v-dogg> just out of curiosity, what do you need it for?
16:49 < hobby_> we use mojavi 3.0 at work with some modifications (ActionForms, logging, PreparedStatements) and I'm trying to get some new guys familiar with it
16:50 < v-dogg> can we offer something better?-)
16:50 < hobby_> you have a better diagram or you're offering agavi?
16:51 < v-dogg> agavi, of course :)
16:51 < v-dogg> without diagrams still, sadly ;)
16:51 < hobby_> actually, I've been monitoring agavi for quite some time now...I actually pulled in some ideas from it to make mojavi better here
16:52 < hobby_> problem is that there are some major modifications that I've made that aren't in agavi yet
16:52 < v-dogg> such as?
16:52 < hobby_> well, a KeyBasedPreparedStatement, 
16:52 < hobby_> ActionForms and ActionModels
16:53 < hobby_> a DatabaseResultSet object that implements ArrayObject, Iterator, and Countable
16:53 < hobby_> couple logging appenders
16:53 < v-dogg> I have no idea what those are (other than db result stuff)
16:54 < v-dogg> but how well do you know agavi's new features?
16:54 < hobby_> ever worked with struts?
16:54 < v-dogg> no
16:54 < hobby_> the PreparedStatement is something like this:
16:55 < hobby_> $qry = "select * from user where user_id=<<user_id>>"
16:55 < hobby_> $ps = new PreparedStatement($qry);
16:55 < hobby_> $ps->setInt("user_id", $arg-->getUserId());
16:55 < hobby_> takes care of mysql injection quite nicely
16:55 < hobby_> actionforms are a way to encapsulate the incoming form data better
16:55 < v-dogg> are you familiar with PDO and Propel?
16:55 < hobby_> yeah
16:56 < hobby_> it just wasn't around way back when
16:56 < v-dogg> you can do that with PDO and much (much much) more with Propel
16:56 < v-dogg> or doctrine, if you prefer activerecord stuff
16:57 < hobby_> I agree, only problem is that replacing a framework on several projects takes a lot of time and headache
16:57 < v-dogg> of course
16:57 < v-dogg> MikeSeth can tell you his experiences on incremental porting
16:58 < v-dogg> as far as I know, he ported some (not-very-small) projects incrementally using agavis routing 
16:58 < hobby_> yeah, I was reading about that this morning..pretty nifty
16:59 < hobby_> btw, nm about the diagram, I found it on webarchive
16:59 < v-dogg> where?
16:59 < hobby_> web.archive.org
16:59 < hobby_> you can see any site like how it was way back whenever
17:00 < v-dogg> sure but where from the archive, what site? (I'm curious because I'm wondering if it's the diagram I made up :)
17:00 < hobby_> I searched for mojavi.org and found it in an archive from 2004
17:01 < hobby_> it's got a Green box that says Security System, a pink one that says Filter System, a blue one that says Validation system
17:01 < v-dogg> ah, then it's not mine
17:01 < hobby_> there was another one I was looking for that was a lot bigger with that went into more detail about the internal workings
17:02 < v-dogg> a pdf?
17:02 < v-dogg> a real sequence diagram?
17:02 < hobby_> no, not a pdf, it was a png
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17:21 < _cheerios> porting the sql handling to another project is so much trouble for so little gain!
17:21 < _cheerios> (atleast in present)
17:25 < _cheerios> esp. Doctrine is ever-so-helpful at times with empty error messages when something goes wrong.
17:28 < v-dogg> :p
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17:52 < _cheerios> i feel a bit sick. :/ damn :\
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21:24 < impl> Wombert: sleep!
21:28 < Wombert> had two hours already today :P
21:28 < Wombert> or three
21:28 < Wombert> plenty!
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22:19 < Whisller> hi
22:51 < MikeSeth> eee
22:51 < MikeSeth> who summonned me?
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22:56 < Wombert> why are you up at this late hour, MikeSeth 
22:58 < _trophaeum> Wombert, be around today and have enough time to babysit me again? im finally going to get back to the site i was doing with agavi and get it live :)
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22:59 < Wombert> _trophaeum: sorry nope
22:59 < Wombert> prolly not
22:59 < Wombert> need to wrap up things here then go to sleep asap
22:59 < _trophaeum> Wombert, tis kew, ill bug u another day then, u and sleep really dont mix lately
22:59 < _trophaeum> ill go extend debugpropelpdo some more instead then
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23:12 < MikeSeth> Wombert: it was a long day, I am really bored
23:36 < nfq> jeez, you and tomocchino had a fun discussion over in the mootools chat room Womvert
23:36 < nfq> Wombert, sorry!
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