Agavi

Log opened Fri Dec 01 00:00:20 2006
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08:31	v-dogg	huomenta
09:06	luke`	huomenta
09:06	v-dogg	friday \o/
09:06	luke`	yay
09:06	luke`	i will probably be happier in the evening
09:07	v-dogg	week's last monday
09:09	v-dogg	is today update-agavi-to-the-latest-from-svn day
09:09	v-dogg	(and break the project day)
09:10	v-dogg	it could be, yeah
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09:24	luke`	:)
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09:44	Arme[N]	morning
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10:14	Whisller	hi
10:20	codecop	hi
10:23	Whisller	can someone help mi with mod rewrite :> , i can't (don't know how) change \index.php5 to \index.html :/
10:25	Whisller	this is my .htaccess file http://phpfi.com/180296
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10:36	splatch`	oi!
10:39	Whisller	hmm
10:43	Whisller	is listening to 3. Archive - Again
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11:00	codecop	i looked at ircLogs, cant find example of usage registerValidators and how register for eg. emailValidator thanx
11:01	codecop	someone can post in phpfi.com example?
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11:19	v-dogg	codecop: just a sec, I'll write an example
11:19	codecop	ok
11:35	v-dogg	clients keep bothering me, sorry... :)
11:37	codecop	all ok, just when u have time
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12:08	digitarald	morning agavi fellows
12:10	toby_swe[a]	can anyone give me an example of what the configuration for a AgaviSimpleTranslator should look like? I don't seem to get it right...
12:40	digitarald	i have validatorquestion, too ... what is the difference between conditional and strict mode ... my answer: in strict only validated parameters are avaible when no errors occured?!
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12:53	v-dogg	digitarald: hmm.. what's the problem?
12:53	v-dogg	strict = "Only validated request variables are available."
12:54	v-dogg	conditional = "All request variables are available when no validation defined else only validated request variables are available."
12:54	v-dogg	does it not work this way or what's the problem?
12:57	digitarald	conditional ... no xml -> all parameters avaible, with xml -> only validated parameters avaible
13:02	v-dogg	yep
13:20	digitarald	i love code igniter ... look at comment_insert() ;)
13:20	digitarald	http://www.bitwisemag.com/images/scrshots/prog/php/dev/code_igniter_tutorial.gif
13:22	v-dogg	uh.. wtf?
13:22	v-dogg	it set's values from $_POST?
13:22	v-dogg	-'
13:25	digitarald	hope the $_POST validation is good ;)
13:26	digitarald	so they can make a blog in 30min ;)
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14:13	Whisller	I've got a little question about routing and imply parrameter. I must add to all URLs '.html', how I can do it?
14:14	v-dogg	foo.com/products/5.html?
14:14	v-dogg	I'd leave that to mod_rewrite perhaps
14:14	v-dogg	ah but you need to generate them too :)
14:15	Whisller	yes yes but can i add '.html' to all routes global?
14:15	Whisller	using parameter imply?
14:15	Whisller	in htacces i have RewriteRule ^(.+)\.(html\|pdf\|js)$ index.php5?$1 [L] :)
14:16	Whisller	otherhands i can add '.html' to route by hand but maybe is another (simply) idea?
14:19	Whisller	in sample application i seen it. and i tried <route pattern="\.html$" imply="true" /> but that was bad idea
14:19	v-dogg	howcome?
14:21	Whisller	howcome? this means why?
14:22	v-dogg	yes
14:22	Whisller	because this does't work :)
14:23	digitarald	mh, agavi needs an arrayvalidator :)
14:25	v-dogg	Whisller: <route pattern=".html$" imply="true" stop="false" cut="true" />
14:25	v-dogg	and put it as the first route, otherwise it won't work
14:26	v-dogg	tried it and it works
14:26	Whisller	o
14:26	Whisller	yes :)
14:26	Whisller	great
14:26	Whisller	thanks
14:27	v-dogg	np
14:36	Whisller	hmm now i have somethig wrong with htaccess, heh google will help me ;)
14:48	Whisller	nice, everythink working good :)
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15:07	Whisller	I have another question, why url like this example.com/index.php5/parameter/parameter-432.html work fine but example.comparameter/parameter-423.html not. in htaccess i have RewriteRule ^(.+)\.html$ index.php5 [L]
15:07	Whisller	*example.com/
15:07	Whisller	in second example agavi display module default and action 404
15:08	Whisller	*Error404
15:08	Whisller	maybe i have something wrong in htaccess
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15:31	v-dogg	Whisller: you don't need that rule in the .htaccess, agavi already handles that (because of the route we just sorted out)
15:31	v-dogg	just take the default .htaccess and use it
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15:33	Whisller	so i don't nide RewriteRule ^(.+)\.html$ index.php5 [L] ?
15:33	v-dogg	not for agavi, no
15:33	Whisller	ok i check it
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15:36	Whisller	v-dogg, oo you have a right(next case :]), great :) ahh i love agavi :]
15:38	v-dogg	good good :)
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16:48	kaos	digitarald: array validator ? care to explain what you need what doesn't work yet ?
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16:52	Wombert	14:25 < v-dogg> Whisller: <route pattern=".html$" imply="true" stop="false" cut="true" />
16:53	Wombert	put it behind the ^/$ rule otherwise you end up with stupid urls like http://foo.com/.index.html ;)
16:53	Wombert	-.index
16:53	Wombert	:p
16:53	Wombert	slaps digitarald
16:53	Wombert	tell us tell us tell us
16:54	Whisller	Wombert, yes. You have a right.
16:55	Whisller	someone use a google sitemaps?
16:55	v-dogg	hmm...
16:56	v-dogg	Wombert: ^/$ should then be the first route and .html route right after that, right?
16:56	Wombert	precisely
16:56	Wombert	the thing is
16:56	Wombert	you might have stuff like /products/list/
16:57	Wombert	which doesn't need .html either
16:57	Wombert	but that's not possible atm
16:57	Wombert	I think about this issue about twice a day but I can't come up with a solution
16:57	Wombert	example
16:58	Wombert	how do you tie <route pattern="text/javascript" source="_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT]" output_type="json" /> to only those routes that actually CAN handle json
16:58	Wombert	mmmh
16:58	Wombert	brb
17:30	digitarald	ok ... validating an array input for length (please select at least 5 options from this select ... bla bla) ... it's no problem to write an own validator for that, was just an idea for a standard implementation.
17:32	digitarald	validators: when i use a numbervalidator, would it be cool that he converts the parameter type correctly, so i don't have to use (int) in the action
17:35	v-dogg	I'm using a number validator of my own and it does that
17:35	v-dogg	I could add it to AgaviNumberValidator too
17:35	v-dogg	Wombert: ok?
17:36	v-dogg	(home ->)
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17:56	Wombert	that's an excellent idea
17:56	Wombert	we need an option to disable the casting, though
17:56	Wombert	<parameter name="cast">false</parameter>
17:57	Wombert	and, of course, it must be possible to
17:57	Wombert	a) specify only integer, only float or both
17:57	Wombert	b) cast to int or cast to float
17:57	Wombert	c) integrate with i18n so germans can enter "5,14" instead of "5.14"
18:10	Wombert	http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/30/magazines/fortune/obrienseagate.fortune/
18:17	digitarald	very nice ideas, i love them all
18:18	Wombert	also we should consider tuning the date validator
18:18	Wombert	so it
18:18	digitarald	supporting splitted fields i.e.?
18:19	Wombert	a) can normalize values to unix timestamp, DateTime object, Calendar object, standard formatted string
18:19	Wombert	yes
18:19	Wombert	well the mktimestamp validator does that already
18:19	Wombert	b) it should, again, use the locale to parse dates
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18:19	Wombert	c) of course, like number validator, it should be possible to override the locale
18:19	Wombert	etc etc
18:20	Wombert	actually
18:20	Wombert	that's a blocker for 0.11
18:20	Wombert	we need htat
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19:40	v-dogg	Wombert: I have absolutely no idea how agavi's locales work so it's better that I don't even try to fix numvalidator to use them :)
19:42	Wombert	sure :)
19:46	Wombert	http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/359
19:56	v-dogg	how would numvalidator work with locales if I wanted it to parse both 1,2 and 1.2?
19:56	Wombert	good question
19:56	v-dogg	that's essential for me, that's why I'm interested :)
19:57	v-dogg	and that's why I have my own validator now
19:57	Wombert	http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Validation/RegisteringValidatorsManually thanks for that
20:00	v-dogg	np
20:00	Wombert	why the heck is registerValidators given the vm as an argument?
20:00	Wombert	mmmmmh this is veeeery
20:01	Wombert	unnecesssaaaaaarrryyyyy
20:01	Wombert	sings
20:01	Wombert	should we change that?
20:01	v-dogg	dead weight from mojavi times
20:01	Wombert	no worries, you could fix it with some preg replace
20:01	Wombert	anyone against it?
20:01	v-dogg	will be shot
20:01	Wombert	xD
20:01	Wombert	kaos?
20:03	kaos	np with me
20:03	Wombert	could you do it?
20:03	Wombert	I can't be arsed to revert my caching changes from ExecutionFilter
20:04	Wombert	change AEF::runAction and the declaration and phpdoc in AgaviAction
20:04	Wombert	and don't forget to add BREAKING CHANGE in the commit msg
20:04	Wombert	or maybe v-dogg can do it
20:04	v-dogg	maybe
20:04	Wombert	haha
20:04	v-dogg	but I ain't gonna do no coding tonight :)
20:05	Wombert	awww
20:05	Wombert	kicks v-dogg
20:05	Wombert	:<
20:05	v-dogg	mad week (several weeks) behind, I have earned my night off :)
20:05	Wombert	sure thing
20:06	Wombert	btw you can change your svn/trac pass in trac now
20:06	Wombert	fyi
20:07	v-dogg	ok
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00:12	MrJeep	hi
00:12	MrJeep	I have quesiton about the prototype library.. I have a weird problem with it
00:12	MrJeep	maybe someone could help
00:12	MrJeep	I have 3 class
00:13	MrJeep	DocumentObject class, DocumentMap class and a DocumentZone class.
00:13	MrJeep	DocumentMap and DocumentZone extends the DocumentObject class
00:14	MrJeep	The 3 classes a included in my svg document
00:14	MrJeep	in this order
00:14	MrJeep	DocumentObject, DocumentMap, DocumentZone
00:15	MrJeep	now I create an instance of DocumentObject and I alert the content of the initialize method. The content is the DocumentZone method
00:15	MrJeep	if I don't include the DocumentZone, The initialize method will of the DocumentObject class is the DocumentMap method
00:15	MrJeep	weird huh ?
00:16	MrJeep	sounds like the extending has been done in reverse
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03:26	Wombert	re
03:26	Wombert	MrJeep: I need to see the code for that
03:26	Wombert	OO and extending stuff in JS is not trivial
03:58	Wombert	slaps impl
03:58	Wombert	pokes impl
03:58	impl	OW
03:58	Wombert	drags impl by the ear
03:58	impl	I'm here I'm here!
03:58	Wombert	what are you doing in #symfony :<
03:58	Wombert	please don't tell me you're using that crap :<
03:58	impl	Waiting to catch fabien and tell him to stop stealing Agavi's code
03:58	Wombert	stay with us :<
03:58	Wombert	lolmao
03:59	Wombert	you're not lying to me are you?
03:59	impl	Hell no
03:59	Wombert	promise!
03:59	impl	If you want the truth, I've been looking into feti's new procedural framework, redline
03:59	Wombert	oh?
03:59	Wombert	show me!
03:59	Wombert	procedural? eww
04:00	Wombert	show show show show!
04:07	MrJeep	procedural ?
04:07	MrJeep	function whatever() ?
04:08	Wombert	yea
04:08	Wombert	impl!
04:08	impl	What, sorry
04:08	impl	I'm installing OpenBSD and it's misbehaving
04:08	impl	Let me fetch you the link
04:10	impl	Wombert: http://dev.code-box.org/browse/redline-0.1.3.zip
04:15	Wombert	mmmmh
04:16	Wombert	aight
04:16	Wombert	let's move it where it belongs
04:16	Wombert	into htdocs
04:16	Wombert	fires up safari
04:17	Wombert	okay
04:17	Wombert	it's a pile of crap
04:17	Wombert	Not Found
04:17	Wombert	The requested URL /~dzuelke/redline-php/public_html/welcome.php was not found on this server.
04:17	Wombert	Apache/1.3.33 Server at 127.0.0.1 Port 80
04:17	Wombert	let's move it where it belongs
04:17	Wombert	to the trash!
04:18	Wombert	come on this is not
04:18	Wombert	at all
04:19	Wombert	any good
04:19	Wombert	or am I missing something
04:19	Wombert	impl?
04:19	Wombert	MrJeep... what about your JS issues
04:20	kaos	function rule_alpha_numeric (&$value)
04:20	kaos	he still hasn't learnt
04:20	kaos	that passing values by ref doesn't buy you anything in php
04:22	Wombert	MrJeep: first, create a class
04:22	impl	Wombert: Try making it index.php/default/welcome
04:22	impl	Or something like that
04:22	Wombert	DocumentObject = Class.create();
04:22	impl	I haven't looked at how it parses URLs yet
04:22	Wombert	DocumentObject.prototype = {
04:22	Wombert	code here
04:22	Wombert	}
04:23	Wombert	DocumentMap = Class.create();
04:23	Wombert	Object.extend(Object.extend(DocumentMap.prototype, DocumentObject.prototype), {
04:23	Wombert	code here
04:23	Wombert	}
04:23	kaos	// \| Parse the PATH_INFO string and add key/value pairs as parameters. \|
04:23	kaos	function & rl_parse_path_info ()
04:24	kaos	$path_info = explode('/', $path_info);
04:24	kaos	...
04:25	Wombert	MrJeep: also note that you can declare a method "initialize" that will then serve as the constructor
04:26	kaos	tbh, this is crap
04:26	Wombert	not necessarily
04:26	Wombert	but definitely redundant
04:26	Wombert	totally even
04:26	kaos	no
04:26	kaos	not that js stuff
04:28	Wombert	yes
04:29	Wombert	I'm afraid feti suffers from borderline fatal NIH syndrome
04:29	Wombert	( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Invented_Here )
04:31	impl	hehe
04:31	impl	I'm willing to give it a whirl
04:32	Wombert	I am, obviously, biased
04:32	Wombert	so forgive my ignorance
04:35	kaos	well, from a quick look at the code, i would say: no, thanks
04:35	Wombert	kicks CIA-11
04:35	Wombert	wait
04:35	Wombert	kicks CIA-11
04:35	CIA-11	ow
04:36	kaos	but i'm back to my c++ stuff ;)
04:36	Wombert	don't say ow, do your job you retard
04:36	Wombert	kicks CIA-11 again
04:57	MrJeep	am I drunk or what
04:57	MrJeep	but
04:57	MrJeep	how -72.073 be smaller than -72.083
04:57	MrJeep	this is what JS tells me :S
04:59	Wombert	javascript:alert(-72.073 < -72.083)
04:59	Wombert	=> false
04:59	MrJeep	arg, my number are badly parsed
04:59	MrJeep	still considered a string
05:00	MrJeep	you know what, I hate those stupid mistakes
05:03	CIA-11	dominik * r1408 /branches/0.11/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
05:03	CIA-11	BREAKING CHANGE!
05:03	CIA-11	removed validatormanager argument from register*Validators()
05:03	CIA-11	closes #360
05:03	kaos	yay
05:05	Wombert	hours later...
05:20	MrJeep	no more manual registerValidator ?
05:23	Wombert	http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/1408
05:23	Wombert	http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Validation/RegisteringValidatorsManually
05:25	MrJeep	i c
05:52	MrJeep	hey wombert, what time is it right now where you are ?
05:52	JamieWolf	5am :)
05:53	Wombert	yep
05:53	Wombert	where are you from btw JamieWolf
05:53	JamieWolf	german time ;)
05:53	JamieWolf	germany
05:53	Wombert	yeah I know that :p
05:53	JamieWolf	Hessen, near frankfurt
05:53	Wombert	did you attend intl php conference?
05:53	MrJeep	5 am, not tired ?
05:54	Wombert	not really
05:54	JamieWolf	No ... Since coding is just a hobby for me. I also have to work the hole day
05:54	Wombert	concentration levels sinking but not yet at the point where teh brain refuses to complete simple task
05:54	Wombert	oh I thought you had some sort of programming job :)
05:54	JamieWolf	MrJeep after 1 Bottle reb bull - no way of being tired
05:55	JamieWolf	Wombert why u thought that?
05:55	Wombert	I'm immune to caffeine
05:55	Wombert	well
05:55	Wombert	most people here code for a living
05:56	Wombert	I think
05:56	JamieWolf	no I work as a tax consultant
05:56	Wombert	:)
05:56	JamieWolf	but it is like coding ... somehow
05:56	Wombert	do you like agavi?
05:56	Wombert	will you do our taxes for free? ;o)
05:57	Wombert	yeah it is
05:57	Wombert	like coding, taxes are a fucking pain in the ass
05:57	Wombert	kind of
05:57	JamieWolf	yeap I do ... I'm checking the website every day ... cant wait to see the homepage
05:57	JamieWolf	true
05:57	Wombert	the designer is veeeeeery busy
05:57	Wombert	so don't expect it tooo soon
05:57	Wombert	I hope it'll be this year
05:57	Wombert	or, rather, in time for christmas
05:58	Wombert	we also finally found a good (but commercial :S) font for the logo
05:59	Wombert	mmmmmmkay I need some music that helps with concentrating
05:59	JamieWolf	btw. I can do Ur taxes stuff :)
05:59	JamieWolf	try some classic stuff
05:59	Wombert	just put some on :)
06:00	JamieWolf	put some what?
06:00	Wombert	classic music
06:00	JamieWolf	;) Concentration is sinking rapidly over here
06:01	JamieWolf	btw were are u from Wombert?
06:01	Wombert	munich
06:02	Wombert	yawns
06:02	Wombert	I guess I _am_ tired
06:02	impl	I'M CODING IN PERL
06:02	JamieWolf	nice place, but way to expensive to live there
06:02	impl	SOMEONE _SHOOT_ ME
06:02	Wombert	packs a gun
06:03	JamieWolf	shots impl
06:03	Wombert	where the hell did I put the full metal jacket ammo
06:03	JamieWolf	misses ... too bad ;)
06:03	Wombert	aaaaah there it is
06:03	Wombert	loads a clip
06:03	Wombert	aims for the arse
06:03	Wombert	you still doing perl mate?
06:03	Wombert	I'll have to shoot you
06:03	Wombert	or kill a kitten
06:03	Wombert	you decide
06:04	impl	my $nul = shift; @_ ? ($_->{'opt'} = shift) : $_->{'opt'};
06:04	MrJeep	wombert, you said something about "NIH" syndrome
06:04	MrJeep	i look at the wikipedia definition
06:05	MrJeep	sounds like the NIH def is more proper for the invented here def.
06:05	MrJeep	there is something wrong ?
06:05	Wombert	"NIH syndrome" means that people build their own stuff just to have their own stuff
06:05	Wombert	because they don't want to use existing solutions
06:06	Wombert	think about a project leader at ACME Inc
06:06	impl	Maybe all the existing solutions are written in Perl
06:06	Wombert	a smart coder walks up to him and says "hey for that upcoming project, I found a nice framework, Agavi!"
06:06	MrJeep	yeah this is what the def says
06:06	Wombert	and the project manager will say "mmmh no that was Not Invented Here, we'll build our own"
06:06	Wombert	because he is a pathetic moron
06:06	Wombert	and will, hopefully, get fired
06:06	MrJeep	ahh in that sense!
06:07	Wombert	yep
06:07	Wombert	:)
06:07	MrJeep	now I understand :D, thnx
06:07	MrJeep	well, now I'll go to sleep
06:07	MrJeep	it's 11:07 here ;P
06:07	Wombert	oO
06:07	MrJeep	not that late but i'm tired
06:07	Wombert	heh
06:07	MrJeep	so gnight everyone!
06:07	Wombert	good night
06:07	JamieWolf	good night
06:08	Wombert	so, impl, what about that perl thing
06:08	JamieWolf	think i'll get some sleep too ...
06:08	Wombert	removes the tips from the bullets
06:08	Wombert	this will hurt, mind you
06:08	impl	Wombert: 'tis called SlimServer
06:08	impl	and it's not pretty
06:08	Wombert	I'm counting down from three
06:08	Wombert	then, I'll shoot
06:09	Wombert	or kill a kitten
06:09	Wombert	you decide
06:09	impl	I have a quote about kittens
06:09	impl	<+Shadda> Everytime a script written in 1995 loses compatibility, a Derick kills a kitten <+nforbes> Which is good. We have too many fucking kittens anyway.
06:09	impl	However, I'd prefer you shoot me
06:09	Wombert	right
06:09	Wombert	I finished counting anyway
06:09	Wombert	aims
06:09	Wombert	shoots
06:10	impl	dies.
06:10	Wombert	you still there?
06:10	Wombert	shoots again
06:10	Wombert	aaah that serves you right
06:14	Wombert	#38;pic=0&%2338">http://hello.eboy.com/eboy/product-detail/?token=FOO&pic=0&%2338;
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08:54	v-dogg	huomenta
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11:27	Whisller	Hi
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16:44	MrJeep	allready up !
16:44	MrJeep	well, i guess it'S 4 pm
16:44	v-dogg	almost 5 pm
16:46	MrJeep	lol
17:09	Wombert	4pm!
17:10	v-dogg	weirdo
17:18	Wombert	:<
17:19	v-dogg	need a hug?-)
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17:22	Wombert	:D
17:23	Wombert	not necessary
17:23	Wombert	I live in the cooler time zone
17:23	Wombert	if any, then you need one
17:23	Wombert	hugs v-dogg
17:23	v-dogg	:p
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18:20	CIA-11	david * r1409 /branches/0.11/ (2 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:20	CIA-11	added 'store_calls' configuration parameter to AgaviGettextTranslator that
18:20	CIA-11	allows to set a base directory to which _() (and thus __()) calls will be
18:20	CIA-11	'logged' so they can be parsed by xgettext. will just append, so items will be
18:20	CIA-11	duplicate over time. xgettext has an option to filter these out. will
18:20	CIA-11	automatically create one file per domain since most xgettext implementations
18:20	CIA-11	cannot detect domains from dgettext calls. the sample app writes to the cache
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19:34	Wombert	Arme[N]: ping
19:56	Arme[N]	Wombert: pong
20:35	Wombert	is the date and time information in the sample app displayed correctly?
20:35	Wombert	for rtl
20:45	Arme[N]	Wombert: let me see....
20:45	Arme[N]	Wombert: from trunk or branch?
20:45	Wombert	0.11 branch
20:46	Arme[N]	okey letmesee
20:49	Arme[N]	hmm I havn't installed PHP5 in this box, it will take several minutes, please wait
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21:00	Arme[N]	Wombert: no
21:00	Arme[N]	Wombert: position of time is wrong
21:01	Arme[N]	it should be at left side
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21:11	Arme[N]	Wombert: http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=35n0v90
21:26	Wombert	k
21:26	Wombert	I gotta runnow
21:26	Wombert	let's look into thgat tomorrow
21:27	Arme[N]	Wombert: :)
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00:45	Whisller	hi
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06:26	CIA-11	david * r1410 /branches/0.11/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
06:26	CIA-11	implemented options 'scheme', 'host', 'port', 'authority' and 'fragment' for
06:26	CIA-11	WebRouting::gen(). For example, pass array('scheme' => 'https') and you'll get a
06:26	CIA-11	https:// url. It tries to be as smart as possible about omitting ports etc. As a
06:26	CIA-11	rule of thumb, if you link to some external stuff, use 'authority'. If you want
06:26	CIA-11	to redirect to another internal site, use 'host', because that will leave some
06:26	CIA-11	non-standard port (e.g. 81) in place. 'fragment' is for the fragment identifier
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10:11	v-dogg	huomenta
10:12	v-dogg	time to learn agavi's i18n...
10:12	v-dogg	anyone awake to help me?-)
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11:23	v-dogg	I seriously need help with this :)
11:29	kaos	yup
11:29	kaos	v-dogg: i'm here to your rescue :D
11:30	v-dogg	\o/
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11:30	v-dogg	I took routing (with the callback) from the sample app
11:31	v-dogg	I have fi_FI and sv_SE locales defined in transalation.xml
11:31	v-dogg	default_locale="fi_FI@currency=EUR
11:32	v-dogg	and output_types.xml, i18n : <parameter name="mode">postfix</parameter><parameter name="separator">.</parameter>
11:33	v-dogg	transalation.xml defines gettexttranslator but I don't need that (for now), can I do this without translator?
11:33	v-dogg	using only localized templates?
11:33	kaos	hmm, yes
11:33	kaos	but i'm not sure right now if we allow leaving the translator out
11:36	v-dogg	seems to work
11:36	v-dogg	but now
11:37	v-dogg	localhost/ works
11:37	v-dogg	localhost/fi returns 404
11:37	v-dogg	and it doesn't even find the localized 404
11:38	kaos	hm
11:41	kaos	have you enabled use_translation in the config ? ;)
11:41	v-dogg	yes :)
11:42	kaos	ah
11:42	v-dogg	IndexSuccess.fi.php wouldn't work otherwise
11:42	kaos	i think i see the problem
11:43	kaos	omg, all that text is so blurry g
11:43	kaos	i really should sleep now i think
11:43	v-dogg	nah, no you shouldn't
11:43	kaos	g
11:44	kaos	hmmm
11:46	v-dogg	I got it
11:46	kaos	what was it ?
11:46	kaos	(and i had just created a new project to test :)
11:47	v-dogg	pattern="/({locale: ..." cut="true" cut the slash too
11:47	v-dogg	so pattern="^/$" didn't match
11:47	v-dogg	<route pattern="^$" module="%actions.default_module%" action="%actions.default_action%" />
11:47	v-dogg	works
11:48	kaos	still doesn't explain why the 404 view hasn't selected the right template
11:48	v-dogg	true
11:50	kaos	how did you name your files ?
11:51	kaos	(because the system itself should work, as its used in the sampleapp)
11:51	v-dogg	Error404Success.fi.php
11:52	v-dogg	on 404 AgaviRenderer::preRenderCheck doesn't even try to find anything else than Error404Success.php
11:54	kaos	well, i think you need to update then
11:54	v-dogg	?
11:54	kaos	you using the latest svn version ?
11:54	v-dogg	yep, 1410 exported this morning
11:56	kaos	hmm, the code is there http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/renderer/AgaviRenderer.class.php#L315
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11:56	kaos	and when i try it with the sample app it works
11:58	v-dogg	here too...
11:58	kaos	strange
12:05	kaos	but i'm really in my bed now, awake way to long now \o/
12:05	kaos	sorry v-dogg :/
12:05	v-dogg	no problem
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12:29	codecop	strange, why when i try to use $controller->forward('Default', 'Index'); i got exception:
12:29	codecop	For security reasons, Request Parameters cannot be acces.......
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15:11	digitarald	codecop?
15:11	v-dogg	codecop: you are not supposed to use that
15:12	v-dogg	you forward by returning array('MyModule', 'MyAction') from the view::execute
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15:46	codecop	digitarald, v-dogg now i see thanx ( in mojavi was forward )
15:46	v-dogg	yep
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15:56	Wombert	v-dogg: you gotta tell the renderer that you want to use localized templates
15:57	Wombert	http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/samples/app/config/output_types.xml#L31
15:57	digitarald	u can even return the forward array in actions ... ;)
15:57	Wombert	no!
16:06	foresth	Wombert, how is it going with the new webpage? :)
16:06	Wombert	haven't heard from the designer ;) he's busy ;)
16:06	Wombert	we'll have to wait :)
16:11	v-dogg	Wombert: I have and it works, I just (a) messed up routing.xml and (b) didn't think straight
16:12	v-dogg	localhost/fi ofcourse doesn't work, but localhost/fi/ works
16:12	Wombert	yeah that's a BIT of an issue unfortunately
16:12	Wombert	but not really anything we can do about it
16:13	v-dogg	doesn't bother me
16:13	v-dogg	but now I'm trying to figure out simple translator
16:14	Wombert	need help?
16:14	Wombert	put a parameter with a domain name
16:14	Wombert	in that, one param for each locale
16:14	v-dogg	according to my var_dumps my translation.xml is almost correct
16:15	Wombert	in that, <parameter name="text to translate">translated version</parameter>
16:15	Wombert	or
16:15	Wombert	<parameter>
16:15	Wombert	<parameter name="from">text to translate</parameter>
16:15	Wombert	<parameter name="to">translated version</parameter>
16:15	Wombert	</parameter>
16:15	v-dogg	I'm not sure I understand domains
16:16	Wombert	<translator domain="foo">
16:17	Wombert	<message_translator class="AgaviSimpleTranslator">
16:17	Wombert	<parameter name="domainname">
16:17	Wombert	<parameter name="fi">
16:17	Wombert	<parameter name="hello">houmenta</parameter>
16:17	Wombert	$tm->_('hello', 'foo.domainname');
16:17	Wombert	these "inner" domains are just for the translators to determine where to pull the info from
16:18	Wombert	for instance for the gettext translator, domainname would be pulled from domainname/fi.po
16:18	Wombert	btw you can safely use "fi" even though you defined fi_FI
16:18	Wombert	note that you may omit <parameters> and other plural tags since mmmh a couple of days ago
16:18	Wombert	makes that stuff a little less painful
16:18	Wombert	the simpletranslator is jus tfor quick prototyping
16:19	Wombert	or for translating date format defintions
16:19	v-dogg	yey \o/ it works
16:23	codecop	what the main things to do to use translators ? in short
16:25	v-dogg	use_transalation=true (settings.xml), copy translation.xml from the sample app
16:25	v-dogg	and transalate :)
16:25	codecop	:)
16:26	digitarald	Wombert, fpf does not refill a selectbox right ... everything is right except this selectbox. Maybe its a problem with type (string/integer)?
16:26	Wombert	everything arrives as strings at the client
16:26	Wombert	reproducible test case please
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16:27	digitarald	mmhh ... i'll try a workaround first, don't have much time now
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16:27	Wombert	...
16:27	Wombert	if you don't want me to go totally beserk
16:28	Wombert	you please please please with a sugar topping better create a damn test case for me
16:28	Wombert	because your workarounds don't help ANYONE
16:28	Wombert	and a test case takes no more than two minutes
16:28	Wombert	you create one html file I can use as a template
16:28	Wombert	and one line of code that populates data
16:28	Wombert	that's all I need
16:28	Wombert	...
16:28	digitarald	i know ... only my clients ;) ... if it works i know the problem and will create a test case ... i did say no to a test case
16:29	digitarald	i did NOT say no .. ups
16:29	Wombert	yes, yes, yes
16:29	Wombert	and still
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16:29	Wombert	in case of doubt it's one select box I can throw into sample app's LoginInput.php
16:31	digitarald	problem is: the given population value is an integer value (0, 1, 2 or 3 ;) ). when i cast it first to a string its ok and the selectbox is populated right
16:32	Wombert	yeah
16:32	digitarald	$option->getAttribute('value') === $value
16:32	Wombert	there was some reason why this wasn't possible
16:32	Wombert	hmm
16:32	digitarald	thats it
16:32	Wombert	yes but that is there for a reason
16:32	Wombert	I just don't remember which
16:32	digitarald	fpf#358
16:33	Wombert	probably <option value=""> would be popuated with integer 0
16:33	Wombert	-with+for
16:33	digitarald	right ... then maybe a is_numeric check?
16:34	Wombert	I'll probably cast the value to a string where feasible
16:34	toby_swe[a]	Hi all!
16:36	toby_swe[a]	I have an action where I have specified <validators method="write"> in the corresponding validation file, but it seems that agavi tries to validate a read request anyway
16:36	Wombert	validate, or validate using the validators defined in that block?
16:37	toby_swe[a]	I get this: "Warning: preg_match() expects parameter 2 to be string, array given in /home/sahlmano/lib/agavi_trunk/src/validator/AgaviDateValidator.class.php on line 56", and then an Exception
16:37	Wombert	uh wtf
16:37	Wombert	can you create an action and a validation xml that reproduces the issue?
16:37	Wombert	that would be awesome
16:38	toby_swe[a]	will try
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16:55	toby_swe[a]	You there WOmbert?
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16:55	v-dogg	wombiiieeee
16:55	v-dogg	toby_swe[a]: he answers faster if you poke him a bit
16:55	v-dogg	pokes Wombert
16:55	v-dogg	your turn
16:56	toby_swe[a]	v-dogg, how do I do that (explain it as if to a very small child)
16:56	v-dogg	how do I make a link to the current page but different locale
16:57	v-dogg	toby_swe[a]: /me pokes Wombert
16:57	Wombert	$r->gen(true, array('localeparamname' => 'de'));
16:58	Wombert	and since yesterday you could also do
16:58	Wombert	$r->gen(true, array('localeparamname' => 'de'), array('scheme' => 'https'));
16:58	Wombert	:D
16:59	v-dogg	\o\ /o/
16:59	toby_swe[a]	Wombert, it seems I get that error when executeRead() returns to an inputView
17:00	toby_swe[a]	not if I just use getDefaultViewName() to go to an input view on read request
17:01	v-dogg	slaps Wombert
17:01	v-dogg	$r->gen(null, ...)
17:01	Wombert	yeah whatever ^^
17:01	v-dogg	:p
17:02	Wombert	toby_swe[a]: yeah because if you have executeRead(), it tries to run validation
17:02	Wombert	but shouldn't do anything since your validators are defined for write...
17:02	toby_swe[a]	ok
17:06	toby_swe[a]	do you want some files to look at or something?
17:18	Wombert	maybe later
17:18	Wombert	I gotta run now :)
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18:24	Whisller	hi :)
18:24	codecop	hi
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22:03	Whisller	is posible use a $r->gen in View?
22:04	digitarald	of course
22:05	digitarald	$this->getContext()->getRouting()->gen()
22:05	Whisller	o thanks :)
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22:35	v-dogg	Wombert \o/
22:38	v-dogg	I'm thinking about writing a CSV translator (or something similar but so easy that even my missus can translate simple things like menu items and such)
22:39	v-dogg	poEdit + compiling libraries is a bit out of her league :)
22:40	v-dogg	functionality would be more or less that of AgaviSimpleTranslator but simpler structure and editing
22:45	v-dogg	ideas, comments?
22:58	v-dogg	to bed ->
22:58	v-dogg	(you can still comment, I'll read it tomorrow :)
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23:08	Wombert	re
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01:25	Whisller	my first page when i used a agavi sennik.prosie.eu ;) not interesting but this site was only for education :]
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09:56	ttj	Hmm...
09:57	v-dogg	huomenta
10:01	ttj	Huomen.
10:01	v-dogg	what's up
10:01	ttj	Fighting with routing.
10:02	ttj	<route name="login" pattern="/login" module="%actions.login_module%" action="%actions.login_action%" />
10:02	ttj	That doesn't work.
10:02	ttj	It works if I change it to pattern="login".
10:05	ttj	The address I have is in the format http://foo.example.org/bar/login, where /bar is the root if the agavi app.
10:05	ttj	Any ideas?
10:06	ttj	Humhum.
10:08	v-dogg	hmm...
10:08	v-dogg	can you paste your routing.xml (or at least all routes above that one)
10:09	ttj	Aha!
10:09	ttj	Interesting, .htaccess seems to have changed.
10:09	ttj	This could solve it.
10:10	v-dogg	you've updated agavi?
10:10	v-dogg	routing was changed a bit somewhere along the way
10:10	ttj	Yeah, I set up RC1 last week.
10:10	digitarald	is it planned to allow 'scheme' option in routing.xml?
10:10	ttj	The previous version was from a few months back, since I got fed up with everything changing constantly. :P
10:11	v-dogg	digitarald: it's there already
10:11	digitarald	ttj: don't give up at every breaking change ;)
10:11	digitarald	ok, didn't see it but i'll take a deeper look
10:11	v-dogg	since last week
10:11	ttj	digitarald: Well, when you have a bunch of code already written and have to ship ~immediately, you baseline some version and use that. ;-)
10:12	v-dogg	yeah :)
10:12	v-dogg	and then you reserve enough time to update :)
10:12	ttj	Yeah, that's why the box over there still runs the old version.
10:12	digitarald	v-dogg: scheme as parameter?
10:12	v-dogg	updating on every little change is too much work
10:12	ttj	And I'm playing with the development stuff right now.
10:12	v-dogg	digitarald: yes, for gen()
10:13	ttj	Asides from the routing thing, everything seems to pretty much work as it should.
10:13	digitarald	i ment routing.xml ... define standard options like https for backend-routes in routing.xml
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10:19	v-dogg	digitarald: ah, ok
10:20	v-dogg	don't know about that
10:20	v-dogg	could you leave that to mod_rewrite?
10:21	v-dogg	ie. redirect to https if someone tries to use http
10:39	digitarald	defining it in routing.xml would be much easier, backend routes have no special directory and anything like that
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12:34	splatch`	hello
12:36	v-dogg	hi
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12:42	Whisller	hi :]
12:46	v-dogg	what's up
12:52	Whisller	Good weather ;)
13:11	v-dogg	not here :I
13:11	v-dogg	it's been raining non-stop for several weeks
13:12	v-dogg	and it's bloody december already, it should be -5C and snowing
13:17	Whisller	in my city is sunny
13:17	Whisller	but i want snow :/
13:18	Whisller	tomorrow again will be a cloudy weather :/
13:20	Whisller	but i prefer summer
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14:00	luke`	is propel.phpdb.org down?
14:01	v-dogg	apparently
14:02	v-dogg	I've been trying to access it since morning
14:02	luke`	damn
14:09	v-dogg	something particular you needed?
14:10	luke`	need to or a bunch of criteria's
14:12	luke`	something to the effect of
14:13	luke`	select id from table where name like '%foo%' or address like '%bar%' or company like '%baz%'
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14:16	v-dogg	doesn't simple $criteria->addOr(col, value, Criteria::LIKE); do that?
14:17	v-dogg	morning Wombert
14:17	luke`	let me try that
14:17	luke`	hey Wombert
14:30	Wombert	ttj: routing working now?
14:30	Wombert	you really should use the latest version there because only that works on all platforms
14:31	Wombert	ttj: btw you should always anchor routes
14:31	Wombert	pattern="^/login" etc
14:32	Wombert	digitarald: you can define a default scheme for urls
14:32	Wombert	but
14:32	Wombert	that is nonsense
14:32	Wombert	just set a base href...
14:35	digitarald	i want to define a default scheme for some routes in the xml, thats not possible?
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14:37	Wombert	how would that be possible
14:37	Wombert	no it's not
14:37	Wombert	a base href would be enough wouldn't it
14:41	v-dogg	I think he want's to have links from a page in http://www.foo.com/public to https://www.foo.com/private
14:41	v-dogg	-'
15:07	Wombert	yeah I know
15:08	Wombert	and he can use the options param for that
15:09	digitarald	ok
15:19	v-dogg	digitarald: and there's always the possibility to extend routing and make your gens() method or whatever
15:20	v-dogg	a bit hacky perhaps but saves a few character when generating urls
15:23	ttj	Wombert: Yeah. I just took the carots away when I was trying to figure out why routing was broken. :-)
15:23	digitarald	right
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16:16	Wombert	I still don't get it
16:17	Wombert	set a base href with https:// and the problem is gone anyway!?
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17:01	MrJeep	Hey wombert
17:01	Wombert	hi
17:01	MrJeep	how are you &
17:04	MrJeep	well, last week I said I had some problem with extending JS class with prototype
17:04	MrJeep	I made a simple example
17:04	MrJeep	once pastebin is ready I'll let you look at it
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17:15	MrJeep	http://rafb.net/paste/results/9f6djj16.html
17:15	MrJeep	test is an instance of TigerTest1
17:16	MrJeep	however, is initialize methods is the TigerTest3 initialize method
17:21	Wombert	Object.extend(Object.extend(TigerTest2.prototype, TigerTest1.prototype), {
17:21	Wombert	/ code
17:21	Wombert	}
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17:22	Wombert	after TigerTest2 = Class.create();
17:22	MrJeep	ok thnx I'll try that
17:22	MrJeep	The proper way to extends class with prototype is a little blury
17:25	MrJeep	well, it's working, thnx
17:25	digitarald	try mootools, based on Base.js, class handling and extending is 200% better
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17:26	MrJeep	well, I'll take a look at it
17:27	digitarald	http://dev.mootools.net is the develepment svn for 1.0. there are some test cases
17:27	MrJeep	http://wiki.mootools.net/documentation/gettingstarted <-- you are damn right
17:30	digitarald	very neat and much smaller then proto. real good architecture which allows very small code-size
18:14	MrJeep	jeez, I have the same problem with prototype
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18:14	MrJeep	even with thatObject.extend(Object.extend(TigerTest2.prototype, TigerTest1.prototype), {
18:14	MrJeep	i guess I'll give mootools a try
18:21	MrJeep	with class extending, what about the parent constructor ?
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18:35	toby_swe[a]	Hi,
18:37	toby_swe[a]	I want all times and dates to be dsiplayed in my local timezone, no matter what locale is used, can I set some kind of default timezone somewhere?
18:39	kaos	yes
18:39	kaos	use <available_translators default_timezone="...">
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22:25	digitarald	validator question :)
22:25	digitarald	who wants to answer :)
22:26	Wombert	may I quote from the topic
22:26	Wombert	"Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness"
22:26	Wombert	:p
22:27	digitarald	if u could see how happy i am that u want to answer my question ;)
22:29	Wombert	I just looked at IRC by accident
22:29	Wombert	as most people, I don't check it regularly
22:29	digitarald	fileupload validation ... how can i check if an optional file upload is validated?
22:30	digitarald	they don't appear in the parameterholder
22:31	digitarald	only if i upload an invalid file (no image in this case) the validation fails
22:32	digitarald	if i don't upload a file no errors is thrown and i can't check in the action if something is uploaded or not
22:32	Wombert	yep
22:32	Wombert	I know
22:32	Wombert	I talked about this to kaos the other day
22:33	Wombert	I thought about some kind of flag you can specify that can then be accessed
22:33	Wombert	to check whether or not a validator succeeded
22:33	Wombert	that's important for severity=none etc
22:33	Wombert	however, this is not trivial
22:34	digitarald	maybe check the provides that where ... provided :D
22:35	digitarald	-h
22:37	digitarald	another solution for checking that now? checking for an succeded upload? req->getFileError?
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22:56	toby_swe[a]	still having a bit of trouble with timezones. Using routing based on sample app to change language and do translations between dateformats etc. which works fine. But I only want language to change, not the actual displayed times. don't now how to get it to work :(
22:58	toby_swe[a]	e.g. I want English speaking people living in Sweden to view the site in English, but still see the Swedish times displayed. Now I get all times like CET-1 hour when i view English pages...
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23:24	Wombert	toby_swe[a]: no problem
23:25	Wombert	or maybe it is a problem?
23:25	Wombert	:p
23:25	Wombert	hmm
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00:13	msrgi	hi
00:13	msrgi	anybody around?
00:14	msrgi	just wanted to say, that the example app in the 0.11RC has got a bug
00:14	msrgi	http://www.mail-archive.com/commits@lists.agavi.org/msg00121.html
00:15	msrgi	or something similar
00:15	msrgi	cu
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05:07	Wombert	mmmh ffs
05:07	Wombert	can't sleep :<
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08:07	v-dogg	huomenta
08:08	ttj	Huomen.
08:08	v-dogg	what's up
08:09	ttj	Not much. Typing up some tagging stuff. You?
08:09	v-dogg	just got to the office
08:10	v-dogg	time to make some coffee
08:10	ttj	:-)
08:10	ttj	I switched from coffee to tea a while back.
08:11	ttj	Although now that I've been drinking excessive amounts of tea, I might as well switch back to coffee... :D
08:11	v-dogg	I think today is going to finally be the svn-up-svn.agavi.org day
08:11	v-dogg	heh
08:12	ttj	svn-up-svn?
08:12	v-dogg	svn up svn.agavi.org
08:13	ttj	Ah. I should defintately switch back to coffee. :D
08:13	ttj	See? Can't even type.
08:15	v-dogg	I'm using #1187 now and I don't use i18n so updating shouldn't break my project too badly
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08:19	ttj	Emphasis on "shouldn't". :-)
08:19	v-dogg	:p
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08:21	foresth	hi
08:22	ttj	Heya.
08:23	v-dogg	loggin classes renamed, validator severitys and modes changed...
08:23	v-dogg	that's all I can find that affects my project
08:24	v-dogg	s/ys/ies/
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10:53	splatch`	oi!
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13:02	luke`_	the propel guys should send their website for a massage too
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14:15	Whisller	hi :)
14:16	ttj	Hey.
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14:20	Whisller	Ok, i have eclipse. Now i time for testing :)
14:21	Whisller	*it's
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14:48	toby_swe[a]	is there any calendar method to compute difference between two dates without moving the calendar forward as in fieldDifference()
14:55	v-dogg	somebody asked that very same question about a week ago
14:56	v-dogg	but I don't remember what kaos answered :)
15:02	toby_swe[a]	ok, I'll have a look in the logs. np.
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16:29	MrJeep	hi
16:30	MrJeep	it is possible to use custom variables in the autoload config file ?
16:30	MrJeep	like %myconfig.my_custom_dir%
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16:35	v-dogg	MrJeep: yes (I think so)
16:36	v-dogg	actually I am pretty sure (I used to use them myself)
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16:41	MrJeep	well
16:41	MrJeep	Configuration file "D:/Web/Project/Open/Tiger/Development/webapp/config/autoload.xml" specifies class "MjaxAction" with nonexistent or unreadable file "D:\Web\Project\Open\Tiger\Development\webapp/%mjax.lib_dir%/mjax/action/MjaxAction.class.php" in D:\Web\Project\Sources\Agavi\src\core\Agavi.class.php on line 61
16:41	MrJeep	maybe I'm missing something
16:41	MrJeep	the variable is not converted
16:43	v-dogg	is it defined before autoload.xml is parsed?
16:43	v-dogg	I bet it isn't :)
16:43	MrJeep	just after Agavi::bootstrap
16:43	Wombert	which is too late
16:43	v-dogg	yep
16:43	MrJeep	before then ?
16:44	v-dogg	yep
16:44	MrJeep	lol
16:44	MrJeep	before bootstrap, there is no autoloading... so : require AgaviConfigCache::checkConfig(AgaviConfig::get('core.config_dir') . '/mjax/mjax.xml');
16:44	MrJeep	AgaviConfigCache does not exists
16:45	Wombert	ehm
16:45	Wombert	no
16:45	Wombert	sighs
16:45	MrJeep	:S
16:45	Wombert	AgaviConfig::set('mjax.lib_dir', '/path/blah/');
16:45	Wombert	Agavi::bootstrap();
16:45	Wombert	but
16:45	MrJeep	look like a retard sonce again
16:45	Wombert	but
16:45	Wombert	but
16:45	Wombert	but
16:45	Wombert	!
16:45	MrJeep	yes
16:45	MrJeep	but :)
16:45	Wombert	you shouldn't do it that way
16:45	Wombert	put stuff like that into app/lib/
16:46	Wombert	then %core.lib_dir%/mjax/mjax.php
16:46	Wombert	btw
16:46	Wombert	what does mjax do
16:46	MrJeep	mjax = mrjeep agavi extension ;P
16:46	MrJeep	my personal lib for agavi
16:46	MrJeep	sounds cool ;P
16:46	MrJeep	however, I use this lib on every project
16:47	MrJeep	and I wanted to put it on a global folder
16:47	MrJeep	just like the agavi src folder
16:47	Wombert	how about adding that to your include path
16:47	Wombert	autoload supports that, too, of course :)
16:47	MrJeep	could be an idea
16:48	digitarald	or change your include pathes in your index.php
16:48	Wombert	config.php would be the better place actually
16:49	MrJeep	the "include_path" looks for subdirectory ?
16:50	MrJeep	lets say my incpath is c:\lib
16:50	MrJeep	and I have files ins c:\lib\parser c:\lib\xml
16:50	MrJeep	does it look into the sub-folders ?
16:51	v-dogg	no
16:52	digitarald	just add them both
16:52	Wombert	no
16:52	v-dogg	or use path when you include/autoload
16:52	Wombert	yes
16:52	Wombert	that's how you use include paths
16:54	MrJeep	ok, I guess there is a variable for the include path ?
16:54	MrJeep	something similair to %core.lib_dir% ?
16:54	MrJeep	hum
16:54	MrJeep	I could simply set a variable AgaviConfig::set('core.app_dir', dirname(__FILE__));
16:54	MrJeep	like this in config.php
16:57	Wombert	no no no no no
16:57	MrJeep	why not ?
16:57	Wombert	http://de.php.net/manual/en/ini.core.php#ini.include-path
16:58	MrJeep	I know what include path is
16:58	MrJeep	but I can't see the big difference between adding an include path to my lib directory and setting an Agavi config var
17:01	Wombert	let's say you package your stuff like
17:01	Wombert	mylib/mylib.class.php
17:01	Wombert	mylib/mylibutil.class.php
17:01	Wombert	with include path, you can include the second file in the first one
17:07	MrJeep	ok, well, I'll think about it
17:07	MrJeep	is there documentation online about the compile.xml file ?
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17:31	kaos	what would you need documented there ? :)
17:31	kaos	its simple
17:32	kaos	... <compiles><compile>your_file</compile></compiles> ...
17:43	MrJeep	well, I was wondering if it was possible to compile some .js file into a big .js file ...
17:43	MrJeep	using agavi
17:48	Wombert	eremit_:
17:48	Wombert	ping
17:48	Wombert	need you
17:48	Wombert	urgent
17:48	eremit_	aye?
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17:48	Wombert	query
18:03	codecop	how to use private parameters in agavi, it was in mojavi $request->setAttribute() not setParameter()?
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18:22	digitarald	$this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute(...);
18:22	digitarald	nearly the same like in mojavi
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18:32	Wombert	codecop: what do you mean, private parameters?
18:49	codecop	when this parameters imposible to modify frow GET or POST
18:51	Wombert	I don't get it
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18:54	codecop	in mojavi u remember request->getParameter(ttt,123)? and when user types url like www....index.php?ttt=111 it will be in getParameter(ttt) == 111, i want to sisable this possibility or this is disabled by strict routing?
18:54	codecop	disable*
18:58	codecop	if user gueses my parameter name in class
18:59	Wombert	ah
18:59	Wombert	if you set validation mode to strict or to conditional
18:59	Wombert	only those parameters that you validated will be available
18:59	Wombert	BUT
19:00	Wombert	why do you use request params?
19:00	Wombert	use request attributes for that!
19:00	Wombert	params are ONLY for incoming request variables
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19:02	codecop	where to set strict or conditional ?
19:03	Wombert	factories.xml
19:03	Wombert	see sample app
19:03	Wombert	but still
19:03	Wombert	I think you're doing something wrong there
19:03	Wombert	why do you use request params
19:03	codecop	this request->set/getparams was eg about mojavi
19:05	Wombert	okay
19:05	Wombert	uhm
19:05	Wombert	tell me what you're trying to do please :)
19:05	codecop	;)
19:09	codecop	just that GetCountUsers($p->getParameter('login'), $p->getParameter('passw'));
19:09	codecop	but i was intresting how to make parameters or atributes private from get and post
19:21	Wombert	I'm afraid I still don't understand :(
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22:44	v-dogg	what's the easiest way to find the last day of the current month?
22:45	v-dogg	or, actually, the last day of any month
23:02	kaos	day of week (as in monday, tuesday, ...) or the day in the month ?
23:04	v-dogg	day in the month
23:04	v-dogg	ie. 28, 30 or 31 (normally)
23:04	kaos	yeah
23:04	kaos	AgaviCalendarGrego::monthLength($year, $month)
23:05	kaos	while month is 0 indexed
23:05	kaos	and you can use the constants in AgaviDateDefinitions
23:05	v-dogg	$today = getdate(); $last = mktime(0, 0, 0, $today['mon'], idate('t'), $today['year']);
23:05	v-dogg	:)
23:05	v-dogg	thanks :)
23:06	kaos	$today = getdate(); $last = mktime(0, 0, 0, $today['mon'], idate('t'), $today['year']); <-- if i would read that code i would have NO clue what it does :p
23:08	v-dogg	:D
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09:47	v-dogg	huomenta
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12:31	Whisller	hi
12:31	Whisller	:]
12:35	ttj	Hi.
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12:47	digitarald	when i set setHttpStatusCode and i only want to send this code, no content ... what do i have to do?
12:47	digitarald	return $this->response->send(); ?
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13:29	digitarald	found a bug in agavifileloggerappender
13:29	digitarald	what a name :D
13:30	digitarald	shutdown is called twice and after fclose($this->handle) should be $this->handle = null;
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16:00	MrJeep	hi
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16:36	digitarald	Wombert? ping
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16:57	digitarald\|	How can i put the SessionId in the routing.xml?
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17:12	toby_swe[a]	Hi, what's the use of dependencies for validators? How do they work?
17:13	digitarald\|	thats easy ...
17:14	digitarald\|	just provides="x" in one and then depend="x" in the one that depends on the other validator
17:14	digitarald\|	depends="x" ...
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17:17	toby_swe[a]	so if I want validator a to be evaluated if and only if validator b evaluates to true, then I write something like <validator name=a depends=x>, <validator name=b provides=x>, is that how they work?
17:21	Wombert	re
17:30	Wombert	toby_swe[a]: yep
17:31	ttj	Heya.
17:31	Wombert	digitarald\|: do you mean you want to have the SID in the url when generating URLs?
17:31	toby_swe[a]	thanks, then I was right :)
17:31	Wombert	toby_swe[a]: at least I hope it works that way
17:32	toby_swe[a]	well, it seems to, after a quick test now
17:32	Wombert	digitarald\|: you can either enable session.use_trans_sid
17:32	Wombert	but that's uncool
17:33	Wombert	or you use the use_trans_sid option for gen()
17:33	Wombert	$r->gen('routename', array($params), array('use_trans_sid' => true));
17:33	Wombert	remember that you can change the default options in the factories configuration
17:41	digitarald\|	and how to add the trans_id optional to the routing.xml?
17:41	digitarald\|	<route name="SID" pattern="^/({SID:[a-z0-9]{32}})" stop="false" cut="true" imply="true" />
17:44	Wombert	uhm
17:44	Wombert	what is the point of that?
17:45	Wombert	ah
17:45	Wombert	mh
17:45	Wombert	you have to write a callback, obviously
17:45	Wombert	I thought you wanted /foo/bar?PHPSESSID=4aa45c4df4ad4s4c4as4d4sa123231
17:47	digitarald\|	no ... foo.com/19193923472375982375/de/bla
17:47	Wombert	yeah
17:47	digitarald\|	cooler ;)
17:47	Wombert	gotta use a callback
17:48	Wombert	but
17:48	Wombert	uh uh
17:48	Wombert	sec
17:49	Wombert	okay
17:49	Wombert	so
17:49	Wombert	you have to configure the storage to not auto start
17:49	Wombert	then implement both onMatched and onNotMatched
17:49	Wombert	set the sid
17:49	Wombert	start the session
17:49	Wombert	($storage->startup())
17:49	Wombert	and in onGenerate, read the SID
17:50	Wombert	don't forget to handle the case where cookies are used
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17:54	Wombert	oh wait
17:54	Wombert	that won't work
17:54	Wombert	because the user is initialized before that
17:54	Wombert	and reads from the storage
17:54	Wombert	mmmh
17:55	digitarald\|	ok ... so the only solution is to append it to the url the standard-way
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17:59	Wombert	not sure
18:02	Wombert	btw
18:03	Wombert	set the response in the status
18:03	Wombert	err
18:03	Wombert	set the status in the response
18:03	Wombert	then don't set any content or define a template
18:03	Wombert	that's all...
18:03	Wombert	v-dogg: ping
18:03	Wombert	need ya mate
18:03	Wombert	digitarald\|: we can look into that problem later
18:12	digitarald\|	thx
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18:53	v-dogg	Wombert: hey man
18:56	Wombert	query
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19:52	Arme[N]	http://jadmadi.net/blog/2006/12/03/you-might-be-a-programmer-if/
19:55	Arme[N]	13 and 14 :)
20:03	Wombert	hyvÃ¤Ã¤ itsenÃ¤isyyspÃ¤ivÃ¤Ã¤, v-dogg and ttj :)
20:03	ttj	Thanks. :-)
20:04	ttj	Although I'm still reflecting on what I feel about independence. And right now I'm stuck on the problems caused by the nationalistic mindset. :P
20:07	Arme[N]	hyvÃ¤Ã¤ itsenÃ¤isyyspÃ¤ivÃ¤Ã¤!!?? hmm!
20:15	Wombert	lol
20:16	Wombert	and I thought the germans had issues when it comes to patriotism ^^
20:19	digitarald	u had no flag on your car during world championship? ;)
20:19	Wombert	I did!
20:19	Wombert	but an australian flag :)
20:21	digitarald	... spanish flag for me :D
20:44	v-dogg	digitarald: have you discovered where the problem is with fileloggerappender?
20:44	digitarald	yes, like described ...
20:45	v-dogg	shutdown is called twice?
20:45	v-dogg	scrolls back up
20:46	digitarald	i'll just added one line that set the handler null
20:47	digitarald	it's even a more logical line, because every check in the appender checks for null
20:50	Wombert	_why_ does it call shutdown twive
20:50	Wombert	twice
20:55	digitarald	i'll check again ...
20:56	digitarald	i wondered about an error that was thrown ... fclose tried to close an undefined handler 123.
20:58	v-dogg	that's weird because I haven't noticed such a problem
21:00	digitarald	isn't an $this->handle = null in shutdown good beside that weird behaviour?
21:00	v-dogg	just commiting it
21:00	Wombert	we should cure the cause, not the symptom
21:02	digitarald	i'm actually checking again
21:03	v-dogg	I use rotating appender extensively and I've never seen that happening (rotating appender only extends normal appenders initialize method, everything else is the same)
21:09	digitarald	i use it too, the rotating appender
21:10	digitarald	and i log via
21:10	digitarald	$this->getContext()->getLoggerManager()->log(new AgaviLoggerMessage(...));
21:18	digitarald	:D ... i have it ...
21:18	digitarald	it's called ... 3 times ;)
21:19	digitarald	with the same resource id
21:19	Wombert	from where
21:19	digitarald	how can i check in php?
21:20	digitarald	did too much javascript the last month ...
21:23	digitarald	from AgaviContext, AgaviLoggerManager, AgaviLogger, AgaviFileLoggerAppender->shutdown()
21:24	digitarald	i have 3 registered debuggers, debug/default/error, all AgaviRotatingFileLoggerAppender ...
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21:59	digitarald	so ... problem solved?
21:59	digitarald	;)
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23:02	v-dogg	digitarald: can you show me your logging.xml?
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23:24	digitarald	k
23:26	digitarald	http://pastebin.ca/269850
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23:38	MrJeep	hum
23:38	MrJeep	I downloaded the last source with svg
23:38	MrJeep	and i get a parse error
23:38	MrJeep	Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_SL in D:\Web\Project\Sources\Agavi\src\request\AgaviWebRequest.class.php on line 129
23:38	MrJeep	and the line 129
23:38	MrJeep	<<<<<<< .mine
23:38	MrJeep	return $this->getUrlHost() . (($forcePort \|\| ($scheme == 'https' && $port != 443) \|\| ($scheme == 'http' && $port != 80)) ? ':' . $port : '');
23:38	MrJeep	=======
23:38	MrJeep	return $this->getUrlHost() . ($forcePort \|\| AgaviToolkit::isPortNecessary($scheme, $port) ? ':' . $port : '');
23:38	MrJeep	>>>>>>> .r1411
23:39	MrJeep	some >>>>>>>>>.r1411
23:39	Wombert	that is a conflict
23:39	Wombert	"svn revert" that file
23:39	Wombert	you had local modifications
23:39	MrJeep	well, I never edited that file
23:39	MrJeep	i guess I'll re-download the whole package
23:40	MrJeep	thnx
23:41	Wombert	you did!
23:41	Wombert	because I asked you to
23:41	Wombert	remember when it used port 80 instead of 81
23:42	Wombert	as I said, just revert that file and the problem will go away
23:42	MrJeep	I updated the source a lot of time after editing this file
23:42	MrJeep	ahh well I thinkg i get it
23:42	MrJeep	it's ok
23:42	Wombert	yes but now I modified the same line which caused a collision :)
23:42	MrJeep	nevermind, once again
23:42	impl	Wombert: Is there any plan to add support for multiple hostnames in routing?
23:43	Wombert	there is support in it already
23:43	Wombert	you can match hostnames
23:43	impl	Oh, really? D:
23:43	Wombert	and you can specify a hostname when generating a url
23:43	impl	How do I miss these things!
23:43	Wombert	yep
23:43	Wombert	<:
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09:56	ttj	Huomen.
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12:21	ttj	Hmm...
12:22	ttj	If I have a route like <route name="foo" patter="/foo(/{arg1:static})?(/{arg2:\S+})?" module="Foo" action="Bar"></route>.
12:23	ttj	And then the defaults for both vars are empty, the routing works, except for $r->gen();
12:23	ttj	If I call $r->gen("foo", array("arg1"=>"static", "arg2"=>"something")), it returns "/foostaticsomething".
12:26	ttj	Should I perhaps just split that into two routes, the first one with the static arg1 and define it as stopping and then the second one without arg1...
12:32	ttj	Ok, yeah. That works.
12:35	digitarald	i have this pattern and it works ... "/iupload/(do:[a-z0-9_-]+)?(/{id:[0-9]+})?"
12:43	digitarald	v-dogg? ping
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14:23	v-dogg	digitarald: pong
14:24	digitarald	;) i "pastebined" the logging.xml yesterday
14:24	digitarald	did u take a look at it? i saw no problem in it
14:25	v-dogg	yes, thanks, I had a brief look but I've had such a busy day that I haven't got into sorting it out yet
14:25	v-dogg	it looks ok
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14:35	horros	herro
14:36	v-dogg	hero?
14:36	v-dogg	he-man?
14:39	horros	slaps random stuff
15:35	digitarald	Routing question, anybody here? Why do i have to define 'SID' to use the option use_trans_id
15:35	digitarald	use_trans_sid
15:37	v-dogg	to strip it off from the route before other route patterns are checked?
15:38	v-dogg	ie. if someone clicks www.foo.com/products/123/show/adfe987123fda
15:38	v-dogg	you want to get rid of the sid before the actualy route is processed
15:38	v-dogg	just guessing here, I use cookies always :)
15:39	v-dogg	why do you want to use sid?
15:39	digitarald	but the session-parameter is defined in factory sessionstorage?
15:40	digitarald	<parameter name="session_name">SID</parameter>
15:40	digitarald	i need the session id in my url
15:41	v-dogg	ah it's a query parameter... hmm... don't see no reason to have routing processing it then
15:41	digitarald	the SID constant?
15:42	digitarald	i searched for SID, it's only used in routing in this use_trans_sid check ...?!
15:42	v-dogg	hmm... I actually don't know how it works, forget everything I said :D
15:42	v-dogg	erase & rewind :)
15:42	digitarald	i'll tell wombert what u tell me ;)
15:42	digitarald	:D
15:43	v-dogg	he'll read it from the logs anyway
15:43	digitarald	i think i erase this SID check ... just for testing of course ;)
15:44	digitarald	first he checks for SID, then he uses session_name() to append the parameter?! ...
15:44	v-dogg	I can already see how his face gets read and the veins in his forehead start to get bigger and bigger when he reads my advices :p
15:45	digitarald	:D
15:46	v-dogg	hugs wombie (for the logs :)
15:50	digitarald	and now i need the solution to put the SID in routing.xml ... but i think that's not possible ...
15:52	horros	this is confusing... I have three templates and three actions... templates look the same but display slightly different data. do changes in template1, post, use $controller->forward() to get back to the previous page... everything works fine
15:52	horros	template2, everything works fine.
15:53	horros	template3... not so. changes are stored in the db, but ff insists on showing the unchanged data
15:53	horros	:I
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17:33	CPUnerd	Wombert, can I pm for a sec ?
17:33	Wombert	of course
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18:02	Wombert	!seen horros
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18:02	Wombert	!hug um
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18:03	CPUnerd	!seen ' or ''='
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18:41	AgaviBot	News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.org/timeline :
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19:44	kaos	btw, ttj i tested your routing problem
19:44	kaos	worked without problems even in 1 route
19:49	Wombert	digitarald: ping?
19:52	Wombert	digitarald: woot
19:52	Wombert	yes that is a bug
19:52	Wombert	gawwwwd am I stupid
19:52	Wombert	or not?
19:52	Wombert	uhm
19:52	Wombert	no!
19:52	Wombert	xD
19:53	Wombert	SID (string)
19:53	Wombert	Constant containing either the session name and session ID in the form of "name=ID" or empty string if session ID was set in an appropriate session cookie.
19:53	Wombert	!
19:53	Wombert	no no
19:53	Wombert	it's okay like this
19:53	Wombert	because
19:54	Wombert	if SID is empty
19:54	Wombert	cookies were used to pass the session id
19:54	Wombert	if it is not empty
19:54	Wombert	the session id was passed in via URL
19:54	Wombert	then I add the session id as an argument to the params
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19:54	Wombert	IF use_trans_sid is set to true
19:56	digitarald	BUT ...
19:56	digitarald	i want to force the SID
19:57	digitarald	the SID in the URL, not the defined SID ;)
19:57	digitarald	if u use use_trans_sid i really want to see the sid in the url ... don't want to have them optionally if the user don't support cookies
20:00	Wombert	this check is only performed to see whether or not it is necessary to append the URL
20:00	Wombert	eh the session id to the url
20:00	Wombert	it won't use "SID"
20:00	Wombert	it will use "SESSNAME=45454sac5a4sd4c5a45c4a5c45s"
20:00	Wombert	as I said, it will never append it by default
20:00	Wombert	because it's a bit of a security risk and people should enable fucking cookies in their browsers
20:01	Wombert	however, you can enable use_trans_sid
20:01	Wombert	either individually for each gen() call
20:01	Wombert	or you change the default option in the factories config
20:01	Wombert	now if you never want to use cookies
20:01	Wombert	you have to set the respective php ini setting
20:02	Wombert	ini_set('session.use_cookies', false);
20:03	Wombert	or
20:03	Wombert	you don't enable agavi's use_trans_sid
20:03	Wombert	and you do
20:03	Wombert	ini_set('session.use_cookies', false);
20:03	Wombert	and
20:03	Wombert	ini_set('session.use_trans_sid', true);
20:03	Wombert	then PHP will automatically append the sid to all links and form actions
20:04	Wombert	also remember
20:04	Wombert	Note: The arg_separator.output php.ini directive allows to customize the argument seperator. For full XHTML conformance, specify & there.
20:04	Wombert	it's usually & by default
20:04	digitarald	so using use_trans_sid should force the SESSNAME=32bits to the url?
20:05	Wombert	the agavi one?
20:05	Wombert	or the php ini setting
20:05	digitarald	agavi
20:05	Wombert	no
20:05	Wombert	as I said, it will only append it if necessary
20:05	Wombert	i.e. if no cookies are accepted by the client
20:05	Wombert	if you want it to always be there, set
20:05	Wombert	ini_set('session.use_cookies', false);
20:05	digitarald	but when u say use_trans_sid that means REALLY_USE_trans_sid
20:06	Wombert	no
20:06	Wombert	that means it behaves exactly like http://de3.php.net/manual/en/ref.session.php#ini.session.use-trans-sid
20:06	Wombert	but without having to have that on
20:06	Wombert	or compiled in
20:06	digitarald	this urls are for flash ... flash don't know the browser cookies properly. so, when i do an upload in flash on an url without the sess-id the user is not logged in
20:06	Wombert	ah I see
20:07	digitarald	i don't want to set ini values when i just generate 3 urls ... No Way!
20:07	Wombert	aaaah
20:07	Wombert	so your problem is that you want to enforce the sid no matter what
20:07	Wombert	I see
20:07	Wombert	simple
20:07	digitarald	u see this parameter ... agavi can't know if it's really necessary ... if a developer give this parameter he should know if its necessary
20:07	Wombert	$r->gen('routename', array(session_name() => session_id());
20:08	digitarald	mh ... that's too easy ;) ... i want a cryptic option :D
20:08	Wombert	no, the use_trans_sid option simply mimic's php's own session.use_trans_sid behavior, which also only appends the sid if the client does not accept cookies
20:09	digitarald	the maybe add force_trans_sid ;) ... i take your solution
20:09	CPUnerd	digitarald, $r->gen('routename', array(session_name() => md5(session_id())));
20:09	Wombert	not md5
20:09	digitarald	md5?
20:09	Wombert	no
20:09	digitarald	encrypt the id? mmhh
20:10	Wombert	that won't work because php wouldn't know to decrypt it
20:11	digitarald	Wombert: Flashupload (w/o agavi) ... http://dev.digitarald.de/uplooad.html
20:12	digitarald	so no forcing parameter ... thx Wombert
20:13	digitarald	next problem ... mmhh ... trying to find one ...
20:13	Wombert	digitarald: it's too much of an edge case, really
20:13	digitarald	no, its ok ... no sarcasm in the thx ;)
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20:36	Wombert	digitarald: btw why do you use flash? :>
20:36	Wombert	you could upload in an iframe and use php 5.2s upload progress meter
20:36	Wombert	which is not documented yet though :>
20:37	digitarald	because with flash i can have a filechooser with filter and multiple-select
20:38	digitarald	the progress meter are just gimmick
20:38	Wombert	ah
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21:48	Wombert	v-dogg: ping
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22:12	v-dogg	Wombert:
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22:41	Wombert	I wonder where he is
22:45	impl	He's on #php on EFnet if you want to bug him
22:46	v-dogg	whose bot is um?
22:46	v-dogg	and can we silence him?
22:52	Wombert	it probably just needs someone from russia and a bottle of wodka to pay him
23:02	Wombert	or a couple million dollars if we want him silenced using polonium
23:02	Wombert	xD
23:09	kaos	anyone here has a clue about LR(1) parsers ? xD
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06:36	CIA-11	dominik * r1412 /branches/0.11/src/validator/ (AgaviBaseFileValidator.class.php AgaviValidator.class.php):
06:36	CIA-11	add a method which allows the validator to provide the keys for the current base
06:36	CIA-11	refs #361
07:00	CIA-11	dominik * r1413 /branches/0.11/src/validator/ (AgaviOperatorValidator.class.php AgaviValidator.class.php): some refactoring
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07:46	peter_11	what's up agavi crew?
07:46	peter_11	I haven't been here in about a year
07:47	peter_11	how is agavi land?
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08:10	Arme[N]	morning
08:23	v-dogg	huomenta
08:32	CIA-11	dominik * r1414 /branches/0.11/src/util/AgaviDecimalFormatter.class.php: enable setting of the rounding mode in the decimal formatter
08:33	CIA-11	dominik * r1415 /branches/0.11/src/translation/ (2 files): allow rounding mode to be set via the "rounding_mode" parameter of the <currency_formatter> and <number_formatter>
08:45	horros	hahaha
08:46	horros	http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templates/TC062560581033.aspx?CategoryID=CT101450061033
08:48	v-dogg	bookmarks this page
08:55	CIA-11	dominik * r1416 /branches/0.11/src/translation/AgaviDateFormatter.class.php: fix date formatter not switching to the locales format when being used with a custom locale
09:11	splatch`	hello
09:38	CIA-11	dominik * r1417 /branches/0.11/src/date/AgaviDateFormat.class.php:
09:38	CIA-11	fixed the h and k hour patterns
09:38	CIA-11	closes #363
10:08	CIA-11	dominik * r1418 /branches/0.11/src/translation/ (2 files): use the timezone specified in the locales option when creating new calendar objects and when formatting them
10:13	v-dogg	dominik is on fire
10:33	CIA-11	dominik * r1419 /branches/0.11/src/translation/AgaviTranslationManager.class.php: allow setting only options to the current locale by using _c(123, null, '@currency=USD'); or _d(time(), null, '@timezone=Europe/London'); for example
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10:40	kaos	uhm, yup xD
10:40	CIA-11	dominik * r1420 /branches/0.11/src/translation/AgaviTranslationManager.class.php: allow accessing the default domain when specifying "subparts" of the domain by using ".menu" instead of "default.menu" in the _* methods
10:51	Wombert	zomg
10:53	horros	gmoz
10:53	CIA-11	dominik * r1421 /branches/0.11/docs/docbook/manual.xml: some words on i18n in the guide
11:08	Wombert	AgaviWebRequest::getFileName and getFileNmaes are horribly inconsistent
11:08	Wombert	any suggestions
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18:36	Whisller	Hi
18:38	Whisller	I must set in validator a two options min and max and how i can do it? This is a good? http://phpfi.com/182707
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18:47	Whisller	I asking because when i have set max and send empty form this error are displayed O.o
18:49	Whisller	*error for max
19:00	Whisller	In cache i see, i have set min = 1 in max definition
19:04	v-dogg	http://phpfi.com/182717
19:04	v-dogg	that's the way to go
19:05	v-dogg	hope it works, gotta go ->
19:05	v-dogg	:)
19:05	v-dogg	later
19:13	CPUnerd	moin moin humans
19:13	Wombert	hi
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19:19	CPUnerd	perhaps you should make something like <parameter type="integer" min="1" max="50" />
19:19	Wombert	no
19:19	Wombert	that won't work
19:19	CPUnerd	why not ?
19:19	CPUnerd	not with the current business server code,but could be a cool change to add someday
19:20	CPUnerd	you are using simplexml right ?
19:20	Wombert	because parameters have only name and value, they are standardized
19:20	Wombert	the thing is
19:20	CPUnerd	or xmlreader?
19:20	Wombert	no
19:20	Wombert	neither
19:20	CPUnerd	:O
19:20	Wombert	we transform the xml to an intermediate format
19:20	Wombert	this way, you could also use yaml configs etc
19:20	CPUnerd	oh ok
19:21	CPUnerd	that makes sense but still, do you need more than one config style ?
19:21	Wombert	this intermediate format is then passed to the config handlers
19:21	CPUnerd	although I do like the fact that you are using standarized configuration parameters.
19:21	Wombert	which compile it to optimized php code
19:21	CPUnerd	I didn't have tiem to write the article yet :)
19:21	Wombert	heh
19:23	CPUnerd	I am currently writting a new standard for the w3c, if it gets accepted it's gonna be awesome
19:23	Wombert	errr
19:23	Wombert	a new standard for what?
19:25	CPUnerd	I can't say much but let's say it's for social networks
19:25	CPUnerd	VERY VERY VERY useful if followed correctly
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20:00	MrJeep	hi
20:01	MrJeep	how can I specify more than one optional parameter in the routing pattern ?
20:01	MrJeep	<route name="request" pattern="^/request/(map:\S+)?/(qry:\S+)?" module="Document" action="Index" />
20:02	MrJeep	in this case, If I'm right, without any parameters, the url will be /request// ?
20:03	MrJeep	i'd like to match /request/map and /request/map/xpath/query/to
20:17	digitarald	... /request(/{map:\S+})?(/{qry:\S+})?
20:21	MrJeep	thank you
20:34	MrJeep	hum I was wondering if some breaking changes occured with the AgaviXmlConfigParser class ?
20:35	MrJeep	nevermind
20:43	Whisller	v-dogg, I used your example(earlier i has this), but when i trying display errors(http://phpfi.com/182739) i don't see it. But input have class error.
20:46	Whisller	hmm
20:46	Whisller	wait
20:46	MrJeep	digit : I'm working on the pattern you gave me, however, it sounds like parameters cannot have the / values
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21:00	kaos	MrJeep: /request(/{map:[^/]})?(/{qry:\S+})?
21:00	kaos	is probably what your problem is
21:00	kaos	or something like that
21:00	kaos	what can "map" be ?
21:00	kaos	alphanum ?
21:00	kaos	or anything ?
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21:06	MrJeep	string
21:07	MrJeep	but qry is an xpath query
21:08	kaos	hmm
21:08	kaos	what url doesn't get accepted ?
21:09	MrJeep	1 min, I'll test somethign
21:10	MrJeep	at this point the map parameter is not even set
21:11	kaos	hmm
21:11	kaos	so the route doesn't get matched at all ?
21:12	MrJeep	the route get matched, but I have the wrong parameters
21:12	MrJeep	like
21:12	MrJeep	http://localhost:81/Project/Open/Tiger/Development/www/request/map2
21:12	MrJeep	the map parameter is map1
21:12	MrJeep	the qry parameter is map2
21:13	MrJeep	(map1 is taken from a default value since it's not matched
21:13	kaos	uh
21:14	kaos	that actually is not the way the regexp should behave xD
21:14	kaos	i'll check that in a minute
21:14	MrJeep	ok
21:14	MrJeep	should I set a \S in the map:[] ?
21:14	MrJeep	the map will always be a string
21:15	MrJeep	and qry will have // character.. well, xpath characters
21:15	kaos	this won't help i think
21:19	Whisller	Validator add parameter "min" to parameters but i dont set it...http://phpfi.com/182750
21:21	Whisller	i thing this isn't a requested action
21:22	Whisller	What do you think?
21:24	MrJeep	well, lets say both parameters are required
21:25	Whisller	hmm but. when i wanna display error when value are > as 50 but when are < as 0 no
21:25	Whisller	*< 1
21:26	MrJeep	^/request/(map:\S+?)/(qry:\S+)$
21:26	MrJeep	both param are matched
21:26	kaos	MrJeep: you'r missing a ? at the end
21:26	kaos	eh
21:26	kaos	no
21:26	kaos	its
21:27	MrJeep	however, if I add // for the query, the // are not added
21:28	kaos	index.php/request/qry/foo//bar -> <route name="request" pattern="^/request/(map:\S+?)/(qry:\S+)$" module="Default" action="Index">
21:28	kaos	'map' => 'qry' (length=3)
21:28	kaos	'qry' => 'foo//bar' (length=8)
21:28	kaos	^^
21:29	kaos	what exactly do you want to match, an optional map followed by a query (which is required?!)
21:29	MrJeep	it's for an ajax module
21:29	MrJeep	i have a big xml file and I want to query it with ajax
21:29	MrJeep	I want to give an xpath query because I don't need all the xml file data everytime
21:30	MrJeep	it's for a geo/statistic project with SVg
21:30	MrJeep	the map parameter is the name of the xml file, and .. well, the query is the xpath query
21:31	MrJeep	lets say both parameters are required
21:32	kaos	well, then the last pattern you quoted here should work
21:33	MrJeep	except agavi thinks one / is like /////
21:34	MrJeep	this url : http://localhost:81/Project/Open/Tiger/Development/www/request/map1///query
21:34	MrJeep	give those parameters
21:34	MrJeep	MAP : map1
21:34	MrJeep	QRY : query
21:35	Wombert	the problem here is
21:35	Wombert	that the queries are optional
21:35	Wombert	query and map
21:35	Wombert	the regexp is too greedy
21:35	MrJeep	no, nothing's optional
21:35	MrJeep	I want to make it simple so nothing's optional
21:36	Wombert	oh
21:36	MrJeep	both parameters have to be set
21:36	Wombert	hm true
21:36	kaos	pattern="^/request/(map:\S+?)/(qry:\S+)$"
21:36	kaos	works here
21:37	MrJeep	hum, the // are still not added to the qry parameter
21:37	MrJeep	odd
21:38	kaos	hmm, maybe some apache2 issue with the rewrite ?
21:38	MrJeep	hum possibly
21:38	kaos	have you tried index.php/request/map1///query1 ?
21:38	Whisller	why this does't work :/ http://phpfi.com/182757
21:39	Whisller	$req->getErrorMessages() return empty array
21:39	MrJeep	yep
21:39	MrJeep	but no //
21:39	MrJeep	my re-write rules
21:39	MrJeep	RewriteRule ^$ index.php?/ [QSA,L]
21:39	MrJeep	RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
21:39	MrJeep	RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
21:39	MrJeep	RewriteRule (.*) index.php?/$1 [QSA,L]
21:40	MrJeep	the server Request_uri is fine
21:43	kaos	hmmm
21:43	MrJeep	I can add an infinite ammount of /, still doesn't work
21:45	MrJeep	OS issue ?
21:45	MrJeep	what's your os ?
21:46	CIA-11	dominik * r1422 /branches/0.11/src/validator/ (AgaviValidator.class.php AgaviValidatorManager.class.php):
21:46	CIA-11	all validators store the result for each validated field no in the validation manager
21:46	CIA-11	fix typo in the validator
21:46	kaos	xp
21:46	kaos	but i'm using apache 1.3
21:47	MrJeep	ok
21:47	kaos	Whisller: the problem is that an empty string doesn't even reach the string validator
21:47	kaos	so you need to remove the for="min"
21:48	MrJeep	well, I think I'll just turn off the rouing for the moment
21:48	kaos	you still use normal query params with the routing on as well
21:49	kaos	like ?qry=foo...
21:49	MrJeep	oh didn't know that
21:49	Wombert	how may I help with this problem
21:50	Whisller	kaos, hmm then how i can do it :> when i using http://phpfi.com/182750 errors also are disabled when i have other validator with min=1. error for.. also doesn't work :>
21:52	Whisller	*displayed
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21:54	MrJeep	it is possible to turn a DOMNodeList into a DOMDocument ?
21:54	MrJeep	i'm trying to create a new dom document with the node list, when I call appendChild, i get "
21:54	MrJeep	Wrong Document Error
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22:05	Whisller	can someone help me :(
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22:14	MrJeep	jeez
22:14	MrJeep	this DOM stuff with php is so odd
22:15	MrJeep	an xpath query returns a DOMNodeList
22:15	MrJeep	the item() method returns a DOMNode
22:15	Wombert	yeah sure
22:15	Wombert	of course
22:15	Wombert	!?
22:15	MrJeep	yeah
22:15	MrJeep	but
22:15	MrJeep	$xml = new DOMDocument();
22:15	MrJeep	$doc = $xml->createElement('document');
22:15	MrJeep	for ($i = 0; $i < $res->length; $i++)
22:15	MrJeep	{
22:15	MrJeep	$doc->appendChild($res->item($i));
22:15	MrJeep	}
22:15	MrJeep	this doesn't work !
22:16	MrJeep	Wrong document error
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22:17	impl	You probably have to clone it
22:17	MrJeep	$res is a DOMNodeList
22:17	impl	Or there's an import method
22:17	impl	Hold on
22:17	Wombert	importNode, yes
22:17	impl	http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.dom-domdocument-importnode.php
22:18	MrJeep	I hope this will work :D
22:21	Whisller	ehh ok now everything looks fine...required="false" ;)
22:22	Whisller	in max validate devinition
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22:39	MrJeep	damn, PHP dom is so fucked up
22:39	MrJeep	importNode does absolutely nothing
22:40	Wombert	it returns a new node
22:40	MrJeep	lol
22:41	impl	$doc->appendChild($doc->importNode($res->item($i)))
22:42	MrJeep	oh god
22:42	MrJeep	thanks
22:42	MrJeep	I was SO getting pissed of
22:42	MrJeep	thanks !
22:43	impl	No problem
22:43	Wombert	"This function returns a copy of the node to import and associates it with the current document."
22:43	Wombert	;)
22:45	MrJeep	yeah, I missed that. I tend to miss stuff when I'm "debugging" the same thing all day long
22:45	MrJeep	with domnode domelement appendchild not working brah! it was getting crazy
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22:51	kaos_	Whisller: the error handling in the validation works as follows: you usually define a generic error message for that validator with <error>Error Message</error>
22:52	kaos_	if you don't define anything else this message will be used for all errors
22:52	kaos_	(its wise to define that error all the time, since all validators can fail without an specific error
22:53	kaos_	then you can define different error messages for different errors (like min, max, etc)
22:54	Whisller	hmm
22:55	kaos_	the generic error message will be thrown when the field which should be validated is not set (which includes the value being an empty string, which is why you don
22:55	kaos_	't see your min error)
22:55	kaos_	when using min=1
22:55	kaos_	and required=false makes the validator succeed when value is not set or empty string
22:56	kaos_	no matter what you defined in the validator
22:56	Whisller	i must use dictionary...wait for a moment
22:58	Whisller	kaos, but when i have error for min(min=1), and max(max=10) and send form with empty field the error from max also are displayed.
22:59	Wombert	probably because you didn't specify a generic error message
22:59	kaos_	no
22:59	kaos_	or "maybe"
22:59	Wombert	bbiab
22:59	kaos_	gotta check the source
23:00	Whisller	Wombert, in /cache/ in validate max i have also set min - min=1
23:00	Whisller	end when i have empty field this error are displayed
23:01	Whisller	wait
23:01	kaos_	yes, the string validator actually has default parameter
23:01	kaos_	which is 1 ;)
23:01	kaos_	for min
23:01	Whisller	http://phpfi.com/182772
23:01	Whisller	yes
23:03	Whisller	this is ok? a set a default min in max parameter :>
23:04	kaos_	yes
23:04	Whisller	why?
23:04	kaos_	why wouldn't you set min and max ?
23:05	Whisller	no no no min and max why in max min = 1?
23:06	kaos_	well, its the default, which the validator will use when you don't specify min
23:07	Whisller	heh ok.
23:07	kaos_	and its no different from min not being set at all
23:07	kaos_	because of the behaviour explained above
23:07	Whisller	ok :)
23:07	kaos_	since min=1 can never fail really (at least not with the "min" error)
23:08	Whisller	thanks very mutch :)
23:08	kaos_	so you could set min=0 and it would still fail (since it doesn't even reach the check for the minimum length ... which should be changed perhaps)
23:08	Whisller	yes min=0 doesn't work with max
23:09	Whisller	in max
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00:21	jordansjones	Test.. Please ignore..
00:54	MrJeep	anyone here's using mootools for ajax ?
00:56	MrJeep	because I don't find a way to get the responseXml ;s
00:58	MrJeep	the callback function takes 2 parameters, the responseText and xml, however, the response xml is always null
01:01	Wombert	you probably have to send a proper mime type
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01:10	MrJeep	hum good idea
01:19	digitarald	MrJeep, maybe ask that in #mootools channel ;) I think a proper header is what is u need
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01:56	Wombert	MrJeep: you know how to do this ajax thing with agavi?
02:25	Whisller	how i can get access to getLocaleLanguage() getLocaleTerritory()...?
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07:54	Wombert	yawns
07:54	ttj	yawn
07:54	ttj	2 hours and 6 minutes until I get slaughtered.
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08:02		Topic for #agavi: Agavi 0.11 RC 1 released :: www.agavi.org :: http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ if you want to use SVN :: Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness :: We're looking for documentation contributors and developers :: http://trac.agavi.org/milestone/0.11 :: anonymous ticket posting possible again :: irc logs http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/
08:02		Topic set by Wombert [] [Sun Nov 26 17:52:41 2006]
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08:04	Wombert	ttj: huh?
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08:07	ttj	Wombert: Marketing exam.
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08:42	Wombert	good luck, ttj
08:43	ttj	Luck won't save me from the massacre, but thanks. :D
08:45	ttj	Wait a minute, you're up quite early, Wombert...?
08:45	Wombert	trying to adjust my sleep cycles
08:45	Wombert	gonna sleep now for three hours
08:46	ttj	You switching to some polyphasic sleep routine?
08:48	Wombert	no
08:48	Wombert	heard about these but
08:48	Wombert	that's nonsense
08:48	Wombert	I've been up since yesterday... 5p or so
08:49	ttj	Ok. I also find that if you just skip one night's sleep and then stay up until the following evening, you'll get a decent routine back.
08:49	Wombert	I'm trying that yeah but
08:49	Wombert	I need so get _some_ sleep
08:50	Wombert	otherwise I won't be able to do any coding or whatever toda
08:50	Wombert	y
08:50	ttj	I just sacrifice the day. :-)
08:51	ttj	But yeah, hope you do wake up in 3 hours instead of the 10 hours I sleep if I fail. :-)
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11:17	firman	moin moin
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11:45	v-dogg	huomenta
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11:49	firman	what is huomenta?
11:50	v-dogg	morning in finnish :)
11:50	firman	oh i see :D
11:51	firman	btw, is it downloadable agavi guide out there?
11:51	v-dogg	no, you have to build it yourself or use the one in agavi.org
11:52	v-dogg	the easiest way to build it (html, pdf) is probably to use XMLMind editor
11:52	firman	ah, docbook build then
11:53	firman	XMLMind, okay, lemme try
11:53	v-dogg	I have it here ready if you don't want to do it yourself?
11:54	firman	that's great
11:54	v-dogg	just a sec
11:54	firman	which format?
11:55	v-dogg	html, pdf or rtf
11:55	v-dogg	which would you prefer?
11:55	v-dogg	ups... pdf rendering failed...
11:55	firman	no chm one?
11:56	firman	html is better then
11:58	v-dogg	do you need the cookbook and the intro, too?
11:58	firman	yep, both would be great :D
12:04	v-dogg	http://veikkomakinen.com/temp/manual.zip, docbook.zip and introduction.zip
12:06	firman	thanks a lot, you're so great! ;)
12:07	v-dogg	np
12:07	firman	downloaded
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12:09	Wombert	yaaawns
12:34	firman	what's different between agavi-manual-html.xsl and agavi-manual-html-common.xsl?
12:34	firman	moin Wombert :)
12:35	Wombert	ah
12:35	Wombert	that's just hte stylesheets
12:37	firman	looks no different except a comment <!--xsl:import href="../docbook-xsl-1.71.1/xhtml/chunk.xsl" /--> and <!--xsl:import href="C:/workspace/xslt/1.71.0/xhtml/chunk.xsl" /-->
12:39	Wombert	mh yeah
12:39	Wombert	we probably have to re-do all these stylesheets
12:40	Wombert	they create pretty poor html, unfortunately
12:40	firman	yes i think so
12:41	firman	also provides a htmlhelp stylesheet too :)
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12:41	Whisller	hi
12:42	firman	so we can build a chm
12:42	Wombert	for example, deleted stuff is done as <span class="deleted"> or so
12:42	Wombert	instead of <del>
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12:44	firman	yep exactly
12:47	Whisller	Little stupid question(I think)how I can get access to getLocaleLanguage, getCountries...?
12:47	Wombert	from the current locale
12:47	Wombert	or any locale for that matter
12:48	Whisller	hmm can you explain it :(
12:49	Whisller	current locale...but how get access to this thing
12:50	Wombert	did you setup any locales yet?
12:51	Whisller	ooo $tm->setLocale ? yes?
12:52	Whisller	Or maybe are any manual about translate .... or something like that
12:52	Whisller	*translation
12:54	Whisller	ok :)
12:54	Wombert	no
12:54	Wombert	ehm
12:55	Wombert	http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/samples/app/config/translation.xml
12:55	Wombert	for example
12:56	Wombert	the descriptions are optional, I just use them to display in the menu
12:56	Wombert	you used the sample app before, didn't you?
12:56	Whisller	yes
12:56	Whisller	I know this example :)
12:57	Wombert	it's all in there
12:57	Wombert	you have to define a locale first
12:57	Wombert	de_DE
12:57	Wombert	or de
12:57	Wombert	or de_DE@timezone=Europe/Moscow
12:58	Wombert	whatever you like
12:58	Wombert	you can then set it as "de" or "de_DE" etc etc
12:58	Wombert	and it'll figure that out by itself
12:58	Wombert	but to use a locale, it must be defined
12:58	Wombert	$tm->getCurrentLocale()->...()
12:58	Whisller	ooo ok :)
12:58	Whisller	This is was i want :)
12:59	Whisller	*what
12:59	Whisller	I used a $tm->getCountries etc and this return a error now i know why
13:00	Wombert	you can of course also do $tm->getLocale('fr_CA')->getCountries()
13:22	Whisller	ok :)
13:22	Whisller	thanks
13:22	Whisller	:]
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13:35	Whisller	hmm
13:36	Whisller	Wombert, first i must set locale by ->setLocale('de_DE'), and then i can use $tm->getLocale('de_DE')->getCountries()?
13:36	Whisller	*$tm->setLocale
13:37	Wombert	no
13:37	Whisller	ok :)
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15:25	v-dogg	anyone awake
15:28	Wombert	y0
15:29	v-dogg	i need some help with a simple rewrite :)
15:29	v-dogg	foo.com and foo2.com are virtual hosts for the same directory now
15:30	v-dogg	and I want foo2.com redirected to foo2.com/foo2/
15:32	Wombert	uhm
15:33	Wombert	but only foo2.com?
15:35	v-dogg	hmm.. I'm not sure anymore what would be the best choice
15:35	Wombert	RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^foo2.com
15:35	Wombert	RewriteRule ^.*$ /foo2/$0
15:35	Wombert	?
15:37	v-dogg	RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^www\.camilla\.fi$ [NC]
15:37	v-dogg	RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.camilla.fi/camilla/$1 [R=301,L]
15:37	v-dogg	doesn't behave nicely: http://www.camilla.fi
15:37	Wombert	yes
15:37	Wombert	:>
15:37	Wombert	yeah
15:37	Wombert	because it's an external redirect
15:37	Wombert	:<
15:38	v-dogg	/camilla/ needs to be checked and if it is there, redirect is not needed
15:38	v-dogg	right? can it be done?
15:40	Wombert	yes
15:40	Wombert	add
15:40	Wombert	RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/camilla
15:40	v-dogg	ah, right
15:41	Wombert	or
15:41	Wombert	hm no that won't work
15:41	v-dogg	seems to
15:41	Wombert	nah I was thinking about something else
15:42	v-dogg	ok
15:42	v-dogg	but brilliant, this will do for now
15:42	v-dogg	thanks mate
15:42	Wombert	sure
15:43	v-dogg	I'll get her a web hotell of her own one day, but we can live with this for now
15:43	v-dogg	-l
16:05	Wombert	how was your exam, ttj
16:06	ttj	It was actually quite easy. :-)
16:07	ttj	On a scale of 0...5, I'd say that I'll be getting at least a 3.
16:07	ttj	And I "leveraged the economies of scale" quite many times. :P
16:26	firman	v-dogg, i builds the chm of manual based on the svn sources, but it wasn't look like yours http://firmanw.org/docs/agavi-manual.chm
16:31	Wombert	nice
16:31	Wombert	I didn't get to sleep much unfortunately
16:32	Wombert	and I feel like someone hit my had with a biiiiiiig hammer
16:32	Wombert	which ain't cool at all :S
16:34	firman	you did a kungfu?
16:38	Wombert	no
16:38	Wombert	I suffer from sleep deprivation
16:38	Wombert	or something
16:38	Wombert	and I was out clubbing last night
16:38	Wombert	but slept only an hour or so
16:38	Wombert	and
16:38	Wombert	nnnnno I don't feel particularly well
16:39	firman	oh, not weird if you had headache then
16:39	Wombert	ah yes that was supposed to be "head", not "had"
16:39	Wombert	well I didn't drink too much or anything
16:40	Wombert	but I'm still exhausted and since I didn't sleep much last night and not much more the night before...
16:40	firman	yep, but you slept only an hour
16:40	Wombert	anyway, I'm gonna hold out until tonight
16:40	Wombert	and then fall to bed at like 10pm
16:40	Wombert	and wake up at six in the morning
16:40	Wombert	and that's gonna be aaaawesome
16:41	firman	that's good then you sleep now, if did it you would be hard to sleep tonight
16:42	firman	but, it's my habits anyway :)
16:44	Wombert	yeah that's what my cycle has been like for the last couple days
16:54	Wombert	and I'm trying to fix it
16:55	firman	yeah, same here, its a bad habit
16:56	firman	hope you succeed to fix it
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17:18	ttj	Wombert: That's called a hangover. :P
17:18	ttj	And you should take a vacation and try to get closure to open stuff. :P
17:19	Wombert	I didn't drink!
17:19	Wombert	well,two beer
17:19	Wombert	had to drive
17:19	Wombert	couldn't be bothered to use public transport
17:19	Wombert	xD
17:19	firman	that's good idea
17:19	Wombert	I wonder what I would feel like if had gotten drunk
17:19	Wombert	oh my god
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17:32	Wombert	y0 MrJeep
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17:59	digitarald	v-dogg: i reduced my logging.xml and the filelogggerappender fclose error is gone ...
17:59	Wombert	no workarounds please
17:59	Wombert	can we fix the issue?
18:00	digitarald	don't know why ... shutdown was called 3 times, i had 3 appenders
18:00	MrJeep	would agavi automatically append an new line char at the beginning of each files ?
18:00	MrJeep	i don'T think so
18:00	digitarald	i had 2 loggers with the same appender, maybe thats the problem?
18:01	Wombert	digitarald: create a case that reproduces the problem, please
18:01	Wombert	so we can fix it
18:01	Wombert	MrJeep: mmmh what are you talking about? do you mean output? or logging?
18:02	digitarald	sure, now i have time for that ;)
18:02	MrJeep	I was talking about the output
18:03	Wombert	nope, doesn't insert newlines
18:03	MrJeep	but everything I ask a question, I find the answer myself
18:03	Wombert	it must be in your template or so
18:03	Wombert	MrJeep: may I help you with your ajax stuff
18:03	Wombert	just wanna make sure you don't go through unnecessary hassle
18:03	MrJeep	It's ok now, everything works :)
18:03	Wombert	I understand you use XML?
18:03	MrJeep	but thanks, this is very appreciated
18:03	Wombert	why not json?
18:03	MrJeep	yes
18:04	MrJeep	hum, I suppose I could use Json ...
18:04	Wombert	okay
18:04	MrJeep	I've read an article about that not so long ago
18:04	Wombert	another question first
18:04	Wombert	do you use output types to do the ajax?
18:04	Wombert	or did you create separate actions
18:04	MrJeep	separate action
18:04	Wombert	could you give me an example where you use ajax?
18:04	MrJeep	I create a Request module which display xml only
18:05	digitarald	uh oh
18:05	Wombert	mmmmmmmmh
18:05	Wombert	not the best approach probably ;)
18:05	digitarald	agavi is cooler
18:05	Wombert	ewwww it's time we write documentation ^^
18:05	MrJeep	why not ?
18:05	Wombert	let's say
18:05	Wombert	you have an AddToCartAction okay?
18:05	digitarald	really! i only knew all agavi tricks because i read all commit messages ;)
18:06	MrJeep	Whenever I need some info about my document, I create an ajax request to the Request module with an xpath query
18:06	MrJeep	and get my info
18:06	Wombert	we use cool urls for that: /cart/add/712
18:06	Wombert	712 is the product id
18:06	Wombert	you create that action, and for now, it's a normal link
18:07	Wombert	people click it, they are taken to that page, and from there, you redirect them back or show a success message
18:07	Wombert	now you want to ajaxify that
18:07	Wombert	like this:
18:07	MrJeep	what I have to do is not that "complicated"
18:07	Wombert	wait wait
18:07	MrJeep	it's far from a shopping cart
18:07	MrJeep	o
18:07	MrJeep	k
18:08	Wombert	<a href="<?=$r->gen('addtocart', array('product_id' => $id))?>">Add product to shopping cart</a>
18:08	Wombert	that's the link we have now
18:08	Wombert	now we want ajax
18:09	Wombert	<a href="<?=$r->gen('addtocart', array('product_id' => $id))?>" onclick="addtocart(this); return false;">Add product to shopping cart</a>
18:09	Wombert	now the following happens
18:09	MrJeep	I understand
18:09	Wombert	if a user doesn't have javascript
18:09	Wombert	it still works
18:09	MrJeep	I use stuff like that allready
18:09	Wombert	if he has javascript, it calls addtocart, which does the ajax request
18:09	Wombert	the key point here is
18:09	MrJeep	and I agree with this process
18:09	digitarald	but u splitted the actions
18:09	Wombert	that it is the same action for normal html and ajax
18:09	digitarald	just to support different output types
18:09	Wombert	this is important, it saves you a lot of work
18:09	Wombert	because now
18:09	MrJeep	however, now, this project is different
18:10	MrJeep	it's a stastical / geographical project with svg
18:10	Wombert	and only works with ajax
18:10	Wombert	okay
18:10	MrJeep	there is more svg than html in this project
18:10	Wombert	got me ;)
18:10	digitarald	The system: One action, one view that holds one execute for every output-type
18:10	MrJeep	our map data, cordinates, legends infos, graphs and store inside an xml file
18:10	MrJeep	one file for each map
18:11	MrJeep	and javascript will generate everything from this file
18:11	MrJeep	the path element, to create map, the graphs everything, from this xml file
18:12	MrJeep	and some stuff have to be linked, like when you mouseover on a region of a map, you highlight the graph bar associated with the region
18:12	MrJeep	On the beginning I used php to generate the basic stuff like the map, but now I prefer handling it all with javascript
18:13	MrJeep	and using ajax to load stuff that doesn't need to be loaded everytime
18:13	MrJeep	+ one mega load at the beginning
18:13	MrJeep	this is why I have a Request module
18:13	MrJeep	which returns the xml file for a given map
18:14	MrJeep	plus I can provide an xpath query to make the transfer smaller, because the map path are so large, If I don't need it, I don'T want to load it
18:14	MrJeep	but I agree with the add to cart, I would do the same
18:15	MrJeep	I created some panels (with tabs..)
18:15	MrJeep	and they works just like that, with javascript or without javascript
18:15	Wombert	:)
18:15	MrJeep	:D
18:15	Wombert	two hints there if anyone cares:
18:15	digitarald	agavi samples has a predefined logging.xml which can not work because of the missing log directory
18:15	MrJeep	but in this svg project, no JS = nothign
18:15	MrJeep	well, I have to go
18:15	Wombert	1) if you just return html, you can easily add status by sending X-JSON headers
18:15	MrJeep	brb and thnx!
18:16	Wombert	sure!
18:16	Wombert	digitarald: yeah I know
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18:22	digitarald	Wombert: the new website, the design is still missing and the rest is ok?
18:23	digitarald	Wombert: found the error
18:23	digitarald	when 2 loggers use the same appender
18:25	digitarald	http://pastebin.ca/273111 ... like here ... easy to recreate ;)
18:48	digitarald	is there a method to retrieve the actual context enviroment?
18:48	digitarald	Wombert?
18:49	Arme[N]	yahoo, where are you agavi bot?
18:49	Arme[N]	hi folks :)
18:50	Wombert	digitarald: mmmh
18:50	Wombert	what do you mean?
18:50	digitarald	the enviroment which is given in the bootstrap
18:51	Wombert	core.environment :)
18:52	Wombert	and $ctx->getName()
18:52	digitarald	btw.: i love this one ... export more santa clauses ;) http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-7410917875860931969
18:52	digitarald	thx
18:56	digitarald	can i put the agavicontext in the template?
18:57	digitarald	btw. is there a way that my output_types inherit their assign parameters from the default output_type?
18:57	Wombert	nope
18:57	Wombert	I'll maybe add that one day
18:57	Wombert	it's a bit redundant right now
18:58	Wombert	$this->getContext() for the context
18:58	Wombert	you cannot have it auto assigned because you should never need it in the templates
19:00	Wombert	or is there a use case where you need it?
19:01	digitarald	btw: $ctx->getName() returns 'web' ... i wanted to know 'development', which is in 'core.environment' ... thx :)
19:02	digitarald	just for inline debug messages ... a little PI in the footer that just shows when u are in development mode ;)
19:04	Wombert	may I suggest a filter for that?
19:04	Wombert	that appends or inserts this information
19:04	Wombert	and is enabled only in debug mode, for html output type
19:06	Wombert	http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-7410917875860931969 <- awesome
19:06	Wombert	v-dogg, ttj: watch that <:
19:07	digitarald	Lappland ... i love lappland :D
19:10	Wombert	forgive my ignorance
19:10	Wombert	I never used logging
19:10	Wombert	DebugLogAppender is defined somewhere I assume?
19:10	Wombert	i.e. it's not a class name, but the name of an appender defined inside logging.xml?
19:12	Wombert	ah yes
19:12	Wombert	okay
19:18	digitarald	part 2: http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=3250058353113102779
19:18	digitarald	Wombert: its the changed part from sample logging.xml
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19:24	Wombert	LOL
19:24	Wombert	cursing and drinking
19:24	Wombert	haha
19:24	Wombert	can any of the finns tell me what he said?
19:25	digitarald	Father Cristmas ... now i have a completely different view on christmas
19:26	Wombert	this is uber sick :)
19:26	Wombert	but it really is what you imagine scandinavian humor
19:30	digitarald	it won awards on horror shortfilm festivals :D ... http://www.rare-exports.com/
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20:07	digitarald	i have a validation xml that should be available in many xmls ... how do i include them.
20:08	digitarald	<xi:include href="./pagination.xml" />
20:08	digitarald	?
20:08	digitarald	found that in a xinclude example
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20:16	digitarald	Wombert?
20:37	Wombert	digitarald: agavi uses xsd includes in all files
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20:43	digitarald	ah, i see ... in the xsd's ... :D
20:44	v-dogg	hahaha
20:45	v-dogg	I'll order my own father xmas
20:48	Wombert	what does he say in the second film
20:49	Wombert	cursing and drinking
20:51	v-dogg	I didn't watch that yet
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21:39	Whisller	hi
21:48	Whisller	how i can display time from current locale with this format 'H:i:s'?
21:50	Wombert	that would be the default time format definition "medium"
21:50	Wombert	sample app defines formatting rules for the date formatter in the default domain
21:51	Wombert	formats a date, with "full" formatting
21:51	Wombert	you need "time" and "medium"
21:51	Whisller	thanks, and in application (in view) how i can use full format, medium etc? in parameter in createCalendar :>
22:27	Whisller	when i generate calendar(createCalendar), can I add a format what this time/date will be displayed :>
22:41	Wombert	no
22:41	Wombert	$tm->_d()
22:41	Wombert	that is also in the sample app...
22:41	Wombert	and in the documentation
22:44	Whisller	documentation?
22:44	Whisller	where :>
23:00	Wombert	http://www.agavi.org/docs/latest/manuals/manual/ch02s13.html
23:13	CIA-11	david * r1423 /branches/0.11/src/logging/AgaviLoggerManager.class.php: fixed LoggerManager::log for optional logger to log to
23:16	Wombert	digitarald?
23:16	Wombert	v-dogg?
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23:55	v-dogg	Wombert:
23:56	Wombert	do loggers need a shutdown method?
23:56	Wombert	not really, do they?
23:57	impl	They might
23:57	impl	if you're logging to a stream or something
23:57	Wombert	why
23:57	Wombert	but that's the appenders job!?
23:57	Wombert	right now the logger goes over all it's appenders and calls shutdown() on them
23:57	Wombert	which means trouble if you use the same appender for multiple loggers
23:57	impl	hmm
23:58	Wombert	I could change it so the logger manager calls shutdown on the logger itself, then grabs all appenders, and shuts them down cleanly
23:58	Wombert	or
23:58	Wombert	just shutdown the appenders
23:58	Wombert	I can't really see why a logger would need a shutdown method
23:58	impl	Well, if it's using instances of appenders, I don't really see why it needs anything at all besides a write method
23:59	impl	Maybe I should look at the code before I say anything else :X
23:59	v-dogg	:)
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00:00	v-dogg	Wombert: I'm not sure but probably there's no need for a shutdown method there
00:00	impl	Maybe appenders should keep track of which loggers are using/calling them
00:00	impl	so they can free up resources when a logger goes away
00:01	impl	(do loggers ever go away before the LoggerManager cleans them up?)
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00:50	v-dogg	Wombert: any idea why my 404 action knows nothing about my locales?
00:51	v-dogg	it tries to use a non-localized template and not .locale.php
01:02	Wombert	yes
01:02	Wombert	default actions use "literal" template names
01:02	Wombert	not setTemplate("Error404Success");
01:02	Wombert	but
01:03	Wombert	setTemplate('Error404Success.php', true);
01:03	Wombert	and then they return a php renderer instance
01:03	Wombert	so they still work if the user switches the renderer to something other than php
01:03	v-dogg	ah
01:17	v-dogg	sweet :)
01:17	v-dogg	you can switch locale anytime and you'll get the page you were just looking at
01:18	v-dogg	ie. you don't get to the first page everytime you switch language :)
01:18	v-dogg	bed ->
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10:26	v-dogg	huomenta
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11:22	ttj	Huomen.
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11:56	Whisller	hi
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13:53	codecop	why doing: svn co http://svn.agavi.org/trunk/ checked out revision number is incrementing, but no U or A files are shown?
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13:56	kaos	you need to checkout branches/0.11/
14:02	digitarald	rtfm ;) ... or this placeholder on agavi.org ;)
14:02	codecop	: \|
14:04	digitarald	(i checked out the trunk first, until Wombert smashed me ;) )
14:15	digitarald	what is the easiest way to bring the context in the propel models?
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14:18	kaos	uh
14:18	kaos	well, david had something in mind for that
14:21	digitarald	i know it's possible with propel 1.3
14:21	digitarald	for now i gave all methods a context-parameter that need the context ...
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14:53	digitarald	i have that routing ... pattern="/({id:\d})(-{title:.})?$" ... title is optional, but the url without title has an appended '?'
14:53	digitarald	With title: url/100-My_Title ... but without: url/100?
15:02	Wombert	try setting -{} as the default for the title
15:02	Wombert	if that doesn't help, it's probably a bug
15:02	Wombert	no need for the {} in the first pattern btw
15:04	digitarald	ok, added <default for="title">-{}</default> ... there is still the '?'
15:04	Wombert	kaos?
15:05	digitarald	btw, title is added to the gen() parameters, but its ''
15:05	Wombert	with -{}, yeah
15:05	Wombert	so remove that again first ;)
15:08	v-dogg	hey, how do I localize error messages (validation)?
15:08	kaos	works fine here
15:09	kaos	v-dogg: you give the validator a translation_domain
15:10	Wombert	v-dogg: of course, you can also translate them during output, but that's not as convenient ;)
15:11	v-dogg	<validator class="string" name="valid_name" severity="error" required="true" translation_domain="default.contact">
15:12	Wombert	yeah that should do the job
15:12	Wombert	does it work?
15:12	v-dogg	let's see
15:14	kaos	you can use .contact as well now
15:14	kaos	to access the default domain
15:15	digitarald	title is given with '', but still there is a ? ... grmpf
15:15	digitarald	where should i insert the translation_domain in the validators.xml?
15:15	digitarald	does it not use my default translation_domain?
15:16	v-dogg	Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in D:\camilla.fi\www\camilla.fi\3rdparty\agavi\config\AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php on line 64
15:16	v-dogg	uhmm...
15:17	Wombert	digitarald: if you give title = ''...
15:17	Wombert	title = null, how about that
15:19	Wombert	becasue null tells the routing to skip an argument
15:19	digitarald	now i give null ... same result
15:19	Wombert	k
15:19	digitarald	shall i test it in the samle app?
15:20	Wombert	if you like
15:25	v-dogg	hey, this is not nice...
15:25	Wombert	?
15:25	Wombert	:<
15:26	v-dogg	I have a simple validation xml (one string validator, not translation domain) and it takes over 30 secs to process it
15:26	kaos	no
15:26	kaos	it takes over 30 seconds to process the translation stuff
15:26	digitarald	does validation not use my default translation_domain?
15:26	kaos	i guess
15:26	kaos	digitarald: how should it
15:26	Wombert	digitarald: it can't guess that
15:27	Wombert	and having everything in one domain... mhhhh no good idea
15:27	kaos	you ALWAYS need some text domain for gettext ...
15:27	Wombert	digitarald: btw you should anchor your patterns at the start
15:27	v-dogg	kaos: does it process the translation stuff even if I haven't defined translation_domain in validation xml?
15:27	digitarald	i have one ...? why should i split my domains :(
15:27	kaos	if use_translation=true
15:27	v-dogg	ok.. hmm..
15:29	v-dogg	that's still weird. I have less than 20 strings in translation.xml (using simple translator)
15:29	kaos	the problem is compiling the cldr
15:30	kaos	(or actually just the currently set locale)
15:31	v-dogg	but how come it only takes this long when I'm validating a simple form?
15:32	v-dogg	everything else loads fast
15:32	kaos	because the locale data is loaded on demand
15:32	v-dogg	and I have debug off
15:32	kaos	so as long as you don't access the current locale
15:32	kaos	it doesn't even load the data
15:32	Wombert	it really sounds like a bug
15:32	Wombert	shouldn't take 30 seconds
15:32	kaos	no
15:32	kaos	lol
15:32	Wombert	we had these problems before :<
15:32	kaos	takes 1.5 minutes here
15:33	Wombert	???
15:33	Wombert	what
15:33	kaos	or wait O_o
15:33	kaos	ok, i lied g
15:33	Wombert	digitarald: are you aware that
15:33	Wombert	pattern="^/({id:\d})(-{title:.})?$"
15:34	Wombert	will match "/" ?
15:34	Wombert	and thus always be displayed as the start page? ^^
15:34	Wombert	I assume it's supposed to be either id or title?
15:34	Wombert	you have to use lookahead and lookbehind assertions then
15:34	digitarald	pattern="^/({id:\d{3,}})(-{title:.*})?$"
15:34	Wombert	ah
15:34	digitarald	better
15:34	Wombert	d+
15:34	Wombert	?
15:34	Wombert	:p
15:35	digitarald	mh ... no :P
15:35	digitarald	3 is ... mmmhh ... don't know ;)
15:35	digitarald	to say it like bush: Whatever ;)
15:36	digitarald	but there is still that ? ;)
15:36	Wombert	yes
15:36	Wombert	as you may have guessed
15:36	Wombert	I'm working on it
15:36	Wombert	..
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15:38	v-dogg	Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 120 seconds exceeded in D:\camilla.fi\www\camilla.fi\3rdparty\agavi\config\AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php on line 64
15:38	v-dogg	:)
15:38	Wombert	it's some infinite loop
15:38	Wombert	maybe because you didn't supply a domain or so
15:38	Wombert	in the simple translator
15:38	Wombert	who know
15:52	v-dogg	hehe, apache used 800+ megs of memory when I tried to send that form :)
16:01	kaos	can you show me your validation config ?
16:02	kaos	this sounds a little like that pluralizing is going insane (which is the only thing which could create an infinite loop there i think)
16:04	CIA-11	david * r1424 /branches/0.11/src/routing/AgaviWebRouting.class.php: fixed #364
16:04	Wombert	there you go
16:05	v-dogg	kaos: http://pastebin.ca/274172
16:06	v-dogg	if I validate manually everything works fine
16:07	kaos	hmm
16:07	kaos	this is strange O_o
16:19	digitarald	thx for the quick fix Wombert
16:20	digitarald	is isset($p[$param] not the same like array_key_exists($param, $p)?
16:20	kaos	no
16:20	digitarald	whats the difference, strict type?
16:20	kaos	$a[1] = null;
16:20	kaos	isset($a[1]) -> false
16:20	digitarald	ah, i see
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17:00	digitarald	Wombert ping it's not possible to give array-parameters to Routing->gen, or is there a trick?
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17:34	Wombert	that would only work for ? params
17:34	Wombert	let me see
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18:01	CIA-11	david * r1425 /branches/0.11/src/routing/AgaviWebRouting.class.php: fixed #365
18:01	Wombert	fixed
18:29	CIA-11	david * r1426 /branches/0.11/src/logging/ (AgaviLogger.class.php AgaviLoggerManager.class.php): fixed an issue where logging appenders where shut several times if used by multiple loggers, closes #366
18:30	CIA-11	david * r1427 /branches/0.11/src/config/defaults/compile.xml: removed all logging stuff from default compile.xml since logging is optional
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19:40	digitarald	thx Wombert, great
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20:06	Wombert	digitarald: you're welcome
20:08	Wombert	digitarald, v-dogg: your logger code still working?
20:08	Wombert	I fixed the multi-shutdown problem of appenders
20:09	digitarald	is there a good library for watermarking images?
20:09	digitarald	not only watermarking ... scaling and all that things. it has to be fast and with im-support
20:10	digitarald	i tried ezComponents, but its buggy and only the beta has watermark support
20:21	v-dogg	try Zend "Framework"
20:21	v-dogg	(buahahahaa)
20:22	digitarald	they have no image support ... (thank god ;) )
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20:49	codecop	digitarald, what u mean im-support?
20:50	codecop	take a look at http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/package/3125.html
20:51	Wombert	gpl
20:51	Wombert	therefor, useless
20:51	Wombert	and phpclasses looks just as retarded as five years ago
20:51	Wombert	impressive :)
20:52	codecop	but they working still
20:52	codecop	:)
20:58	codecop	linux too gpl useless?
20:58	codecop	;)
20:59	codecop	digitarald, just have a look at that thumbnail-party, maybee u like it
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21:00	Wombert	it is GPL
21:00	Wombert	he cannot use it
21:00	Wombert	...
21:00	codecop	a ok
21:03	impl	:S
21:03	impl	Why would someone name a class "thumbnail party"
21:03	codecop	he japanys we cant understand them ;)
21:05	Wombert	yes
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21:05	Wombert	it is as impossible (and as futile an attempt) as counting to infinity
21:06	Wombert	but
21:06	Wombert	he's from hong kong
21:06	Wombert	and his name doesn't sound japanese at all ;)
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02:39	CIA-11	dominik * r1428 /branches/0.11/src/config/AgaviValidatorConfigHandler.class.php: fix validators not inheriting the severity of their parent
03:14	Wombert	http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/367 feedback pleas
03:14	Wombert	e
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06:27	jordansjones_	Hey.. Anyone around that can answer a question about the Form Population Filter?
06:28	Wombert	me
06:29	jordansjones_	Cool.. I have an ajax request going out using the POST method. This request returns XML. How would I go about having the filter ignore this request?
06:29	Wombert	sure
06:30	Wombert	just give the FPF an "output_types" parameter with one parameter inside, "html" (or wahtever the name of your standard output type is)
06:30	Wombert	you're making use of output types, right?
06:30	jordansjones_	ahh.. cool.. Yes, I am.. Thank you very much
06:30	Wombert	<parameter name="output_types">
06:30	Wombert	<parameter>html</parameter>
06:30	Wombert	</parameter>
06:31	Wombert	(it's now possible to omit the plural wrapper element in most cases)
06:31	jordansjones_	good deal.. Thanks for the info..
06:31	Wombert	unless, of course, you're using RC1 ;)
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06:32	jordansjones_	:).. I am.. So I will use the plural wrapper
06:32	jordansjones_	Works like a charm.. Again, thank you very much.
06:32	Wombert	sure
06:33	Wombert	let me know if you have any further questions
06:33	Wombert	actually
06:33	Wombert	last chance, I'll be headed to bed pretty soon :)
06:33	jordansjones_	no worries.. Thanks again though..
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08:22	v-dogg	huomenta
08:32	ttj	Huomen.
08:56	v-dogg	can anyone recommend a nice and simple gui ftp client for win
08:56	v-dogg	preferably a single exe
08:57	jordansjones_	if you use Firefox, there is a ftp addon that is supposed to be pretty decent
08:58	v-dogg	ok, let's check that out
08:58	v-dogg	thanks
08:59	jordansjones_	no problem
08:59	jordansjones_	I personally use SmartFTP, but it isn't a single executable
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09:01	v-dogg	I'd prefer not to use ftp at all but I have to work with retarded people and, hence, retarded technology :)
09:01	jordansjones_	lol
09:08	ttj	v-dogg: scp :-)
09:11	v-dogg	oh yes please!
09:11	v-dogg	too bad these morons don't want to use anything else than normal ftp
09:12	v-dogg	sftp, ftp/ssl... no no no... too complicated
09:13	ttj	WTF?
09:13	ttj	Now all my unit tests pass for this fuckin' piece of shit...
09:13	ttj	Oh well, it doesn't fail anything anymore, so I guess I'll submit this. :P
09:14	ttj	The benefits of school work; you don't need to be 100% that it's correct since there's a guy who'll tell you and then you can iterate until you pass. And your salary and bonuses aren't dependent on anything since there are none. :D
09:20	jordansjones_	Hey, I'm using RC1, is there anything spectacular that I have to do to get validators working?
09:21	jordansjones_	Nevermind
09:25	v-dogg	got it?
09:27	jordansjones_	yep.. but maybe you can confirm what I believe the problem was. I didn't have an executeWrite in my action.
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09:46	v-dogg	jordansjones: you didn't have any execute method?
09:47	jordansjones	No. Only because I had just started to set the action up. You know, put the cart before the horse situation..
09:47	v-dogg	yep, and yes, that was the reason why nothing was validated
09:48	jordansjones	It makes sense.
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09:57	splatch	hello
09:58	v-dogg	huomenta
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11:21	RossC0	Hi all, anyone about to answer a couple of questions?
11:23	digitarald	what do u want to know?
11:28	RossC0	1) is it fully unit tested? 2) whats the road map for the future, the website says the API will be fixed - so thats good 3) Is this channel active for new folk asking for help??
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11:30	RossC0	also does anyone know the differences between Agavi and Symfony - I believe they are both Mojavi based?
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11:34	RossC0	sorry - dropped out there
11:36	digitarald	1) checkout the 0.11 branch, there are unit tests for everything 2) view the tickets in trac, roadmaps and tickets are defined for every version 3) of course
11:37	digitarald	3) developers of agavi and many developers that use agavi will help u here. Just ask your question and u will get 100% feedback, just be patient and nice ;)
11:40	digitarald	Agavi is an enterprise framework that will give You full power about the technologies u use. You CAN use propel for databaseabstraction and u CAN choose php/smarty/whatever for templates. Agavi is more strict than Symfony, you can configure everything, the routing is pretty cool and the validation-system awesome
11:40	digitarald	just checkout the 0.11 branch and take a look the the sample app
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12:15	v-dogg	RossC0: agavi is stricly MVC and this gives a lot of benefits: cleaner structure (means better control), multiple output formats for the same action (no bullshiting, you really can have one action that serves, say, html, xml and pdf, and only thing that's different is the template)
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12:17	v-dogg	0.11 release candidate was release a few weeks ago
12:18	v-dogg	now we are gathering feedback and hope to fix the remaining issues with the framework itself
12:19	v-dogg	after the final 0.11 the API is not going to change unless something really big unforseen emerges
12:19	v-dogg	and then it's all about docs and other supportive stuff
12:21	v-dogg	almost everybody here (I think) uses 0.11 rc1 (ar later from the svn) for production stuff already so you are quite safe to start a new project with it
12:22	v-dogg	and we are also commited to give support here
12:22	v-dogg	for several reasons
12:22	v-dogg	(a) the docs are badly unfinished
12:23	v-dogg	(b) we'd like to see people take the most out of agavi and "Doing it right" from the start :)
12:24	v-dogg	nod if you hear me ;)
12:30	RossC0	sounds cool
12:30	RossC0	my only worry is pesuading people on the take up with the lack of docs
12:31	RossC0	I think they may be dazzled by symfony's site. But I think Agavi sounds more configurable / less opressive as you can do things your way in Agavi
12:31	v-dogg	co-workers?
12:31	RossC0	i.e. pick your own db wrapper
12:31	RossC0	yup co-workers
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12:32	RossC0	you taking in document contributions?
12:32	v-dogg	absolutely
12:32	v-dogg	docs are getting there but slowly
12:33	RossC0	they always do! People to busy building sites I imagine!
12:33	v-dogg	because all effort is put to getting the framework itself ready
12:33	RossC0	good stuff
12:34	RossC0	I remember playing round with Agavi last year (July) but that was at another company and I see the release notes are impressive for 0.11
12:35	RossC0	Is the SVN trunk now the same as branch 0.11 ?
12:35	v-dogg	no, use branch0.11
12:36	RossC0	ok cool
12:37	RossC0	thanks for ya help!
12:38	RossC0	I'm off to argue the case for Agavi!
12:40	jordansjones	Make it a good one.. It will be well worth your while.
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13:53	RossC0	Hi, well unfortunately, I'm up against it for this project - timescales being an issue
13:54	RossC0	but they want to see some demo code querying the database
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14:20	v-dogg	RossC0: you could use the sample app as a base and add some propel models to it
14:20	RossC0	yeah am doing
14:21	RossC0	propel 's site is down - was going to use that as a wrapper
14:21	RossC0	are there still commands for building actions on the commandline?
14:21	RossC0	(for Agavi that is!)
14:23	v-dogg	yep
14:24	v-dogg	http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/etc
14:24	v-dogg	copy agavi(.bat)-dist into your project dir, alter the path in it
14:24	v-dogg	and run agavi help
14:26	RossC0	cool thanks
14:31	RossC0	ah man - even phing site seems to be down!
14:47	v-dogg	what's wrong with them... propel.phpdb.org has been down for more than a week now
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15:12	Arme[N]	what you think guys about this old article?
15:13	Arme[N]	http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/12/22/mvc-and-web-apps-oil-and-water/
15:15	digitarald	its from 2005 ;)
15:17	v-dogg	Arme[N]: I've criticized that article here before
15:18	v-dogg	I disagree strongly
15:18	v-dogg	there are more than one way to achieve MVC
15:20	Arme[N]	v-dogg: then let me check out log files ....
15:20	Arme[N]	thanks
15:20	v-dogg	gui applications use observer patterns (the view gets notified when a model has changed)
15:21	v-dogg	but that won't work in thenweb (without ajax or something)
15:21	v-dogg	the web*
15:21	v-dogg	so web applications use other patterns
15:22	v-dogg	like mediator (controller is a mediator between the view and the model)
15:22	Arme[N]	a guy ask me about controller, he saied it suks in webapp!!! he saied that it was for GUI app and for controlling devices like keyboard, mouse, etc
15:23	v-dogg	well... no :)
15:24	v-dogg	there has to be a controller
15:24	v-dogg	even a simple one
15:24	v-dogg	that guy had probably read that same article and didn't know what he was talking about :)
15:25	Arme[N]	may be, I asked him about filters and its benefits.... is it really part of a controller?
15:26	v-dogg	that's a matter of opinion... I would say yes, they are
15:26	v-dogg	but then again.. hmm..
15:26	v-dogg	depends on what they do
15:28	Arme[N]	and what you think about NVC and ajax?
15:28	Arme[N]	< v-dogg> but that won't work in thenweb (without ajax or something)
15:29	Arme[N]	symfony uses MVC for ajax stuff right?
15:29	digitarald	its mojavi, so yes
15:29	digitarald	or do u mean clientside?
15:30	Arme[N]	we are basedon mojavi too
15:30	Arme[N]	I dont know how it handles ajax (in symfony)
15:31	Arme[N]	but my question is this is MVC suitble for ajax? if it is for webaap as v-dogg sied
15:33	Arme[N]	may be this is a stupid question....
15:33	Arme[N]	hmm
15:34	Arme[N]	ajax runs in client
15:34	Arme[N]	and ...
15:34	Arme[N]	I don't know... pfff
15:35	digitarald	maybe it is ... what do u need on serverside for ajax ... just an output that returns some informations
15:35	RossC0	v-dogg: any chance in the future Agavi could have a copy of phing incase the site goes down again
15:36	digitarald	:D maybe a mirror download link ;)
15:38	RossC0	would be cool to have any core depenencies - but then again its wierd its not online
15:39	Arme[N]	digitarald: no I dont want any think I ask that because I found this http://hasin.wordpress.com/zephyr-the-ajax-mvc-for-php5/
15:40	Arme[N]	digitarald: as v-dogg seid observer patterns is suitable for ajax, then what is that framework for :P
15:40	Arme[N]	I just confused a litle
15:40	Arme[N]	I dont know what is right at the moment :)
15:40	Arme[N]	I need some research again about these stuff
15:41	RossC0	Arme[N]: ajax is just a http request - so if you use a MVC for your main app then Ajax is the same - you'll just want to serve less content
15:41	Arme[N]	BUT I know MVC is really suitable for webapp because I have 1 year experinces with that(with M3)
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15:42	Arme[N]	hmm
15:42	RossC0	how you organise your Javascript logic is another matter
15:43	RossC0	you can do a controller / view in the client with the server acting as the model, but that places alot of emphasis on the client
15:44	RossC0	probably too much if you want to serve no js enabled folk
15:45	RossC0	I did that recently talking to a REST interface on the server
15:45	Arme[N]	right, then it is better to move part of controller to server side right?
15:45	Arme[N]	hmm
15:46	RossC0	Not sure, what we had was a server that had its own MVC to produce content which is fed in a number of formats ie. html, json
15:47	RossC0	then we had a number of clients, one was an Ajax client, that had to manage its own view via content from the server.
15:48	RossC0	so we had an observer observing events and then passing actions to the corresponding controller
15:48	RossC0	which then handled the ajax calls and processing of the data
15:48	RossC0	it was a wierd model almost a double MVC.
15:49	RossC0	however, we planned for many clients - so the server rest interface really was just an API to hook into, then each client would handle itself
15:49	RossC0	if that makes any sense?
15:51	Arme[N]	I got that
15:51	Arme[N]	yes
15:51	RossC0	It was a bit abstract, different client and server teams
15:51	Arme[N]	yes
15:51	Arme[N]	let say agavi in server side as MVC framework
15:51	Arme[N]	for serving clients
15:51	RossC0	yup
15:52	Arme[N]	every client could be ajax enabled or not
15:52	Arme[N]	then we need a controller for ajax app too
15:52	RossC0	So you want your ajax unobtrusive?
15:52	RossC0	I think in Agavi you can use the same controller and check what response is required
15:53	RossC0	so if its an Ajax call -> return JSON
15:53	RossC0	otherwise include the whole page including the partial templates such as navigation etc..
15:53	RossC0	that right guys?
15:53	Arme[N]	yes it is
15:54	Arme[N]	you right
15:54	Arme[N]	there is no need to that controller for ajax in client
15:54	Arme[N]	just I should use output type stuff in agavi...
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15:55	RossC0	yes and in javascript you can override forms or links to action via ajax if the browser has the capibility
15:56	RossC0	that way they work with an without javascript
15:56	RossC0	*and without javascript
15:56	Arme[N]	and it will cool :)
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15:57	Arme[N]	excellent
15:57	Arme[N]	CPUnerd: wb :)
15:57	CPUnerd	moin moin
15:59	Arme[N]	v-dogg: RossC0 thanks for attention
15:59	CPUnerd	I hate mondays
15:59	RossC0	if your using prototype check out : http://encytemedia.com/event-selectors/ that way you can separate all your javascript into a library and have it act on certain elements
16:01	RossC0	is there an explaination of the directory layout in the help / trac ?
16:05	Arme[N]	RossC0: thanks
16:05	Arme[N]	RossC0: you mean in agavi?
16:05	RossC0	yeap
16:06	RossC0	also how does the internationalisation work, in the sample app I can only see templates for pl and de yet they all work ?
16:09	Arme[N]	there was a doc for directory structure I think but I cant find it at the moment...
16:10	Arme[N]	RossC0: http://www.agavi.org/docs/latest/manuals/manual/ch02s13.html
16:11	RossC0	cool
16:12	Arme[N]	RossC0: you can build latest documention form SVN
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16:26	Arme[N]	Wombert: WB :)
16:27	Arme[N]	is propel.phpdb.org down, Wombert?
16:27	Wombert	no idea
16:27	Arme[N]	hmm
16:35	RossC0	anybody got a copy of phing I can use? also creole would be good also !
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18:15	Whisller	hi :]
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18:45	RossC0	Hi anyone got any ideas on how to get my hands on phing and creole?
18:45	Wombert	patience ;)
18:46	splatch	oi!
18:47	RossC0	dam - trying to pursuade my work to use agavi and showing if off but its a bit more troublesome without them :/
18:48	Wombert	for now, you could
18:48	Wombert	a) check out from svn (branches/0.11, not trunk!)
18:48	Wombert	b) pear install --nodeps
18:48	RossC0	I've got agavi all sorted from svn :)
18:48	Wombert	but you won't have phing, which means you can't do "agavi project" to create a fresh project
18:48	RossC0	I've found a zip for phing :-) on tigris
18:50	Wombert	RossC0: I'm just reading through the docs
18:51	Wombert	you can't win this by showing your co-workers database code samples
18:51	Wombert	agavi has other benefits
18:51	Wombert	for instance, the sample app also has an xmlrpc interface
18:51	Wombert	to achieve that, no code had to be duplicated
18:51	Wombert	the existing actions were simply given xmlrpc abilities by adding some code to the view (usually, it's only dropping in a new template)
18:51	Wombert	this is important, especially in the time of ajax
18:52	Wombert	because the ViewProductAction doesn't have to be duplicated to ViewProductAjaxAction
18:52	RossC0	sure I know, but they come from procedural so wow factors are important
18:52	digitarald	but ... agavi has no ajaxactions duck-and-run
18:52	codecop_	i started from trunk and now have problem with validator i moved to branch/0.11 how correct this? http://phpfi.com/183807
18:52	digitarald	thats a big difference to symfony ;)
18:52	RossC0	I think I'm winning :)
18:52	Wombert	instead, you write the code once, and then serve a full html page, and a json response for ajax, depending on which was requested (could be detected based on a http header)
18:53	Wombert	also, RossC0, you might want to point out our strong i18n support
18:53	Wombert	$locale->getCountries() returns a list of country codes and theirnames, localized into the respective language, of course
18:53	Wombert	format dates and numbers and currencies... etc et
18:53	Wombert	c
18:53	Wombert	and then there is, of course, the routing ;)
18:53	Wombert	basically, the bigger your project, the more sense agavi makes
18:54	Wombert	remind those guys that if you one day need pdf output for some actions, you don't have to touch existing code
18:54	Wombert	if you want to add a REST web service interface tomorrow, it's possible, without having to start from scratch
18:54	Wombert	that's a key point
18:54	Wombert	and, of course, we don't get in your way :)
18:54	Wombert	and
18:55	RossC0	heh! I'm sold :D
18:55	Wombert	the form population filter finally gets form handling right, without stupid <?php echo form_text(); ?> methods
18:55	RossC0	whats the deal with pdf stuff? how'd I go through to that?
18:55	Wombert	codecop_: http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/1408 and http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Validation/RegisteringValidatorsManually
18:56	Wombert	RossC0: let's assume you have that ViewProductAction
18:56	Wombert	it grabs data from the database, then passes it to the view
18:56	Wombert	inside the view, you setup a template, maybe define some other stuff, and then you're good to go
18:56	Wombert	now all you would have to do is throw in another template besides ViewProductSuccess.php
18:56	Wombert	like ViewProductSuccess.pdf.php
18:56	Wombert	that renders the pdf
18:56	Wombert	no need to touch the action again
18:57	Wombert	of course, we don't bundle PDF capabilities, because everybody needs someone else, and it's not the job of a framework to help with PDFs ;)
18:57	RossC0	cool
18:57	Wombert	another thing
18:57	Wombert	our security concept
18:57	Wombert	you cannot access original request data
18:57	Wombert	from actions and views
18:57	Wombert	you get only what passed validation
18:57	Wombert	AND
18:57	Wombert	validators can filter stuff
18:58	RossC0	but the ViewProductSuccess.pdf.php speaks to your own pdf lib and creates your pdf?
18:58	Wombert	so you can put global filters in place that prevent XSS attacks
18:58	RossC0	nice
18:58	Wombert	and you can define validation constraints, and the coder that implements the actions cannot do something wrong
18:58	Wombert	RossC0: yep, exactly
18:58	RossC0	man you agavi guys have been busy :)
18:58	Wombert	this concept is called output tpes
18:58	Wombert	types
18:58	RossC0	i.e. responds_to
18:59	Wombert	pardon?
18:59	RossC0	like in Rails
18:59	RossC0	apart from less configuration
18:59	RossC0	:)
19:00	RossC0	so ViewProductSuccess.rss.php would be your rss stuff and ViewProductSuccess.json.php your ajax stuff?
19:01	Arme[N]	sings "Agavi rocks...agavi rocks...agavi guys, lets get rock...Agavi rocks"
19:04	Wombert	RossC0: yes
19:04	Wombert	you can, of course, also use different renderers per output type
19:05	Wombert	i.e. generate RSS using XSL, html using PDF, and json using... nothing, because you'd set a json_encode result directly into the response, without using a template
19:05	Wombert	RossC0: do you know our bot?
19:06	AgaviBot	[n=dzuelke@dslb-088-064-026-225.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #agavi
19:06	Wombert	it sits around, records all chatter in the channels he is on, and polls rss feeds in a regular interval
19:06	Wombert	and he talks to us
19:06	Wombert	!hug RossC0
19:06	AgaviBot	hugs RossC0
19:06	Wombert	!seen horros
19:06	um	Wombert: horros was last seen in # 3 days, 8 hours, 13 minutes, and 45 seconds ago saying: <horros> gmoz
19:06	AgaviBot	Wombert: horros was last seen on Thu Nov 2 09:26:30 2006 saying "http://robotman.cracked.com/2006/10/crossword_puzzle.php"; (joined Thu Oct 12 14:53:37 2006, left Thu Nov 2 09:54:32 2006)
19:07	Wombert	aaaand... he's written in agavi!
19:07	Wombert	!info
19:07	AgaviBot	Wombert: I'm AgaviBot version 0.3, powered by Agavi :) My IRC Bot components and the Web Interface to the Logs share quite some code, thanks to Agavi's flexibility and clean structure!
19:07	um	Wombert: Error: The command info is available in the Observer and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before info.
19:07	Wombert	basically, !seen <someone> executes a SeenAction... it then looks for the user in the logs, and the view builds an irc response
19:07	Wombert	the routing is used to map these commands to actions
19:07	Wombert	now the nice thing is... SeenAction can also be used via a web interface!
19:08	Wombert	and it's the SAME code! only the view has been modified to allow both IRC and HTML use
19:08	Arme[N]	let say an action for fetion statistics of a CMS :)
19:08	Arme[N]	you can get it in IRC channel or webinterface
19:08	Arme[N]	cool
19:09	RossC0	!hug Wombert
19:09	AgaviBot	hugs Wombert
19:09	Wombert	I can also control it, tell it to join and leave channels etc
19:09	Arme[N]	s/fetion/fetching/
19:09	Wombert	but you need a password for that ;)
19:09	RossC0	nice
19:09	Wombert	but that's not the point
19:09	Wombert	the point is that the logic code for irc and web use is the same
19:10	Wombert	you just have to write specific stuff for the output of things
19:10	Wombert	which makes your applications ultra forward compatible
19:10	Wombert	if your boss walked over to you and said "I want XMLRPC for our app, next week"...
19:10	Wombert	you gotta rebuild everyting with symfony or others
19:10	Wombert	if it works at all
19:10	Wombert	with agavi... you add stuff, you don't change anything, and it works
19:10	Wombert	it took quite some time to figure all this stuff out, but now it works
19:12	digitarald	Wombert, what is the best and fastest way to get the context in my propel models?
19:12	Wombert	digitarald: hack the build templates
19:12	Wombert	digitarald: I know this problem, I need it myself
19:12	Wombert	I'll add extended propel 1.3 builders after 0.11
19:13	Wombert	you will then do $pp = $ctx->getModel('ProductPeer');
19:13	Wombert	it will have the context
19:13	Wombert	$p = $pp->retrieveByPk(7);
19:13	digitarald	i can hack the generated Skeleton subclasses?
19:13	Wombert	$p will have the context, too
19:13	Wombert	you could, but that's more work
19:13	Wombert	the key is to change hydrate() so the peers pass the context to new instances
19:13	digitarald	yes, it is, but the db is ready for now and most of these skeleton subclasses are extended
19:14	Wombert	then modify the peers so they are agavi singleton models and can be fetched by getmodel
19:14	digitarald	ah, ok ... great
19:14	Wombert	I'm afraid there is no easy approach for now, it's a bit complicated, but I promise I'll do it as soon as I can
19:14	Wombert	I recommend you simply do AgaviContext::getInstance('web') for now
19:14	digitarald	ok
19:15	digitarald	what about the CEF, is there a chance for this in this year/decade? It would be really really really cool :)
19:15	Wombert	it will be in RC2
19:17	kaos	btw, Wombert, about #367 ... you wanted to remove ALL error fetching stuff from the request ?
19:17	Wombert	yeah why not
19:17	kaos	so even (get\|has)Error() ?
19:17	Wombert	yes
19:17	Wombert	or not?
19:17	kaos	hmm
19:17	Wombert	I mean... it's just a matter of preg_replace
19:17	kaos	well, i think those 2 could stay
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19:17	kaos	because imho its more response centric then validation centric
19:17	kaos	in some sense
19:17	Wombert	yeah okay
19:17	Wombert	request, you mean
19:17	kaos	err
19:17	kaos	yeah
19:18	digitarald	no hasError???
19:18	kaos	i usually wouldn't like duplicating such stuff, but somehow it feels wrong just having that in the vm
19:19	kaos	digitarald: it would be moved to the validationmanager
19:19	Wombert	http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/367 everyone give feedback please
19:19	digitarald	how to check in validate() if the parameter is valid?
19:19	digitarald	mh
19:19	kaos	since currently the way the stuff is handled to the request is a) uber ugly
19:19	kaos	b) bloats the request
19:19	kaos	and it's missing features ;)
19:20	kaos	i envision these request methods as "shortcuts" for calling validation manager methods only tho
19:20	kaos	just a $this->getContext()->getValidationManager()->foo
19:21	Wombert	reload ticket please
19:21	AgaviBot	News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.org/timeline :
19:21	AgaviBot	1) http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/367#comment:1 : Ticket #367 (task updated): Fix some of the borderline inoperable ugliness of the validation system
19:23	digitarald	ok ... will this hasError will be for filevalidators too?
19:24	kaos	yes
19:24	kaos	it shouldn't really change in behaviour
19:25	kaos	(well, except the bugs which are still in there atm ;)
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19:32	kaos	about the parent validators having a error message and how it should be handled ... currently this works like this: when the parent container has an error message, all error messages from the childs will be discarded
19:32	kaos	which i think should stay this way
19:34	kaos	i couldn't really think of any reason why one would want to have both errors displayed
19:35	v-dogg	I can
19:36	kaos	gotta food
19:36	Wombert	gotta english lessons
19:36	Wombert	:>>>>>
19:36	v-dogg	or hmm.. maybe I can't...
19:37	Wombert	kaos: childs should inherit the severity from the parents, but they should be able to override it
19:37	Wombert	one day, someone will come here and ask for it
19:37	Wombert	and if we make childs inherit stuff, it works like you describe anyway
19:38	Wombert	oh wait
19:38	Wombert	that was about severities
19:38	Wombert	sorry
19:38	Wombert	my bad
19:38	Wombert	discarding error messages is not good imo
19:38	v-dogg	<or validator> <email validator /> <phone number validator /> </or validator>
19:38	Wombert	yes
19:38	v-dogg	and now someone puts a foobar'd email there
19:39	Wombert	yep
19:39	Wombert	and the or validator would say "please enter either email address or telephone number"
19:39	v-dogg	I think it would be nice to show both "foobar'd email you moron" and "please fill either phone or email"
19:39	Wombert	yep yep yep
19:39	v-dogg	or not
19:39	v-dogg	dunno
19:39	Wombert	I think you're right
19:39	Wombert	and there are even more reasonable use cases, we just don't know them yet
19:40	Wombert	it would be cool to have a machine that things of utter nonsense to validate a point
19:40	Wombert	harhar
19:40	Wombert	:>
19:40	Wombert	you could use it to make up reasons not to vacuum the apartment or so
19:40	Wombert	would you buy that, v-dogg?
19:40	Wombert	I think I would
19:40	v-dogg	in a heart beat :p
19:40	kaos	<Wombert> gotta english lessons <-- bought at aldi :P
19:41	v-dogg	but me hungry now
19:41	v-dogg	gotta food too
19:41	Wombert	go go go
19:42	digitarald	gotta speak bavarian ;)
19:42	kaos	http://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauptsaitn
19:42	kaos	:p
19:42	Wombert	geh so a schmarrn nachad vuastÃ¶hts ihr saupreiÃn koa wort nimma
19:43	kaos	well, ok i can agree on not silencing the childs
19:44	kaos	since one could do that by using severity=none
19:46	kaos	btw, could we need an enabled parameter so one could disable certain validators in registervalidators ?
19:47	kaos	All validators for field "blah" <-- this will be a tough one btw ... the validators only really know what they have validated after validating it
19:52	Wombert	okay
19:52	Wombert	not really necessary anyway I think
19:52	Wombert	most important features is getting validators by name
20:05	Arme[N]	Wombert: ah, you fixed that date :)
20:05	Wombert	Arme[N]: ?
20:05	Wombert	ah in the sample app?
20:05	Arme[N]	yes
20:05	Wombert	well actualyl I didn't want date and time to be there
20:06	Wombert	but there is still the issue where date and time are in wrong order for rtl, correct?
20:06	Arme[N]	yes you remove time
20:06	Arme[N]	but now it is just date
20:06	Arme[N]	and it is correct
20:06	Wombert	yeah
20:06	Wombert	now
20:06	Wombert	can you go to translation.xml
20:06	Wombert	and remove the "type" parameter for the date formatter
20:06	Arme[N]	sure
20:07	Wombert	you'll then have date and time
20:07	Arme[N]	okey...
20:07	Wombert	is it correct this way? if not, what is wrong?
20:09	Arme[N]	no it is not, let get screen shot from correct one ...
20:17	Arme[N]	Wombert: http://screenshots.opensourceclub.org/date_format1.png
20:18	Wombert	that would be correct?
20:18	Arme[N]	yes
20:18	Arme[N]	and this one has a comma after day....
20:18	Arme[N]	http://screenshots.opensourceclub.org/date_format2.png
20:18	Arme[N]	second is better
20:20	Wombert	hmm
20:20	Arme[N]	Wombert: are you palnned to add jalali calendar stuff in agavi?
20:20	Wombert	yep we will add other calendars
20:21	Arme[N]	cool
20:21	Wombert	btw the letters look all different!?
20:22	Wombert	only the middle part, I assume that's "december", is identical
20:22	Arme[N]	may be it is font issue...!
20:23	Wombert	ah okay
20:23	Wombert	okay we now have to figure out if this is only a html rtl issue
20:23	Wombert	or if the data is indeed coming in the wrong order from the formatter
20:23	Arme[N]	yep
20:24	Arme[N]	see this one, this is what i see in agavi....
20:24	Arme[N]	http://screenshots.opensourceclub.org/agavi_sample_app.png
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20:50		Topic for #agavi: Agavi 0.11 RC 1 released :: www.agavi.org :: http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ if you want to use SVN :: Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness :: We're looking for documentation contributors and developers :: http://trac.agavi.org/milestone/0.11 :: anonymous ticket posting possible again :: irc logs http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/
20:50		Topic set by Wombert [] [Sun Nov 26 17:52:41 2006]
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22:04	Whisller	hi
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06:08	Wombert	mmmh
06:08	Wombert	woke up
06:08	Wombert	and can't sleep anymore
06:08	Wombert	wtf
07:03	Wombert	morning ttj :)
07:03	Wombert	you crazy finns are up early
07:04	ttj	Mornin'.
07:04	ttj	Oh right, Skype gave it away. :P
07:04	Wombert	yep ^^
07:04	Wombert	mmmmmh finally fixed files and cookies for array access
07:04	Wombert	nnnice
07:05	ttj	Well, I fell asleep last night around 10 PM when I tried to read a magazine. :-)
07:05	ttj	Cool.
07:05	Wombert	I didn't fall asleep until... dunno, and woke up not too long afterwards
07:05	Wombert	my sleep cycles are so fucked up man wtf
07:05	ttj	:-(
07:06	Wombert	should try valerian or some other weird stuff
07:06	ttj	Well, I was pretty exhausted last night. I was at the uni by 6 AM yesterday, got some stuff done, went to work at 11 AM and then left work a bit past 7 PM. Then the store, washing up the dishes, washed a bunch of shirts and then tried to read and fell asleep. :D
07:07	Wombert	gawwwd that sounds terrible
07:07	Wombert	you clearly need a SO to do the shopping, dishes and washing
07:07	Wombert	harhar
07:07	ttj	Haha. :-)
07:07	ttj	Let's see if the shirts are dry. :-)
07:08	Wombert	qqqqqquestion here
07:08	Wombert	I'd like to break BC :)
07:08	ttj	Yay. No need for a hair dryer. \o/
07:08	ttj	BC?
07:09	Wombert	$req->getFileName('foo') returns the file name for foo as it was stored on the client
07:09	Wombert	however, getFileNames returns the indices in $_FILES, which means the html field names
07:09	Wombert	this is kind of inconsistent I think
07:09	Wombert	I would like to rename getFileNames to getFileFieldNames
07:09	Wombert	would that be good?
07:09	ttj	Yeah, that's more consistent.
07:10	Wombert	also
07:10	Wombert	I now added support for arrays when uploadinf files
07:10	Wombert	-f+g
07:10	Wombert	i.e. foo[one], foo[two] and so on
07:10	Wombert	getFileFIeldNames should return these, too, right?
07:10	Wombert	not only the top level
07:11	ttj	Hmm...
07:11	Wombert	assuming we have "bar", and "foo[one]" and "foo[two]", should it return:
07:11	Wombert	"foo" and "bar"
07:11	Wombert	"foo[one]", "foo[two]" and "bar
07:11	Wombert	or "foo", "foo[one]", "foo[two]" and "bar"
07:12	ttj	I would say option b).
07:13	Wombert	okay
07:14	Wombert	I'll make that default (another break) and add an argument that allows to retrieve the top level files only, like in the olden times
07:14	ttj	Sure.
07:14	Wombert	therefor, it's getFileNames() => getFileFieldNames(false) for ultimate BC
07:14	Wombert	and
07:14	Wombert	should I change getFiles() so you can pass a flag
07:14	Wombert	right now, it would return the array itself
07:15	Wombert	so you get "foo" and "bar" as indices, the one caontaining the actual file info in an array (size, name etc), the other an array with one and two inside
07:15	Wombert	I think a flag would be good that only returns actual files, even recursive
07:15	Wombert	good?
07:15	Wombert	so you'd get back
07:16	ttj	YEARGH! I've been awake for 15 minutes. :P
07:16	Wombert	wait, example
07:16	Wombert	right now, you get
07:16	Wombert	array('bar' => array(...), 'foo' => array('one' => array(...), 'two' => array(...)))
07:16	Wombert	... being the array with file name, size, type etc
07:16	Wombert	then, you'd get
07:17	Wombert	array('bar' => array(...), 'foo[one\|' => array(...), 'foo[two]' => array(...))
07:17	Wombert	if you pass in a flag as the argument
07:17	ttj	Yeah, sure. That sounds logical.
07:18	ttj	Damnit. Washed the white shirts, but now there aren't any white undershirts.
07:19	Wombert	that sucks
07:19	Wombert	wear a blue shirt then
07:19	Wombert	and fuck undershirts
07:20	Wombert	or is it that cold outside
07:20	Wombert	well okay it's ifnland
07:20	Wombert	it sure is
07:20	ttj	I don't know yet. I woke up 20 minutes ago. :P
07:21	Wombert	ah yes you mentioned that
07:21	ttj	http://outside.hut.fi/ <-- Ok, not that cold.
07:21	Wombert	not any colder than over here
07:21	Wombert	wtf is wrong with the winter this year?
07:22	ttj	No idea. I think the world is coming to an end or something.
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07:24	Wombert	and I thought I was the only one thinking that
07:24	ttj	Well, if you've followed the news in the past 5 years, I don't think you could come to any other conclusion. :D
07:25	Wombert	ooooooh bloody hell
07:25	Wombert	I forgot that the free shipping ended over at bustedtees.com two days ago
07:25	Wombert	argh
07:26	Wombert	http://www.bustedtees.com/shirt/aweso/male <- uber
07:26	Wombert	http://www.bustedtees.com/shirt/thenotebook/male <- very cool too
07:26	Wombert	http://www.bustedtees.com/shirt/blowme/male <- CLASSIC!
07:26	Wombert	did you have an NES, ttj?
07:27	Wombert	http://www.bustedtees.com/shirt/originalgangsta/male <- coool
07:27	ttj	NES? You mean the 8-bit Nintendo? Yeah.
07:27	ttj	Haha. :D
07:27	Wombert	remember how you had to blow into the cartridge because it often wouldn't work
07:27	ttj	Duck Hunt!
07:27	ttj	Yeah.
07:27	Wombert	http://www.bustedtees.com/shirt/yourretarded/male <- too many cool shirts there
07:28	Wombert	http://www.bustedtees.com/shirt/acme/male
07:28	Wombert	:<
07:28	Wombert	http://www.bustedtees.com/shirt/nostrings/male harhar
07:28	Wombert	on well
07:28	Wombert	-n+h
07:28	Wombert	only got http://www.bustedtees.com/shirt/stewartcolbert/male so far
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08:49	Wombert	also, moveFile should throw an exception
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10:07	v-dogg	huomenta
10:07	raidman	huomenta
10:24	v-dogg	what's up
10:26	raidman	hmm, nothing ... working hard just fo $ :P
10:26	raidman	for*
10:26	raidman	and you? :)
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10:29	RossC0	morning!
10:29	v-dogg	huomenta
10:29	raidman	morning
10:30	RossC0	good news phing and phpdb.org are back up :)
10:30	v-dogg	finally
10:30	raidman	:)
10:31	RossC0	are there any notes / examples on how to write unit tests for your actions?
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10:38	v-dogg	RossC0: not that I know of
10:38	RossC0	ok - anything I need to do to test individual actions ?
10:39	RossC0	or anyone got an example they use I can copy? :)
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10:51	RossC0	anyone?
10:52	RossC0	begs
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10:53	RossC0	also is there an easy way to override the database for tests so I could point it to a test database?
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10:55	v-dogg	RossC0: you can have per-enviroment and per-context settings
10:56	v-dogg	so yes, you can have "test" enviroment that uses different db settings
10:57	RossC0	ah excellent :)
10:58	v-dogg	http://pastebin.ca/276413
10:59	v-dogg	and your index.php needs to bootstrap the right enviroment then
10:59	RossC0	thanks v-dogg :)
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13:11	v-dogg	anyone has any idea why IE won't open my pdf output but firefox has no problems with it
13:12	v-dogg	http://pastebin.ca/276475 <-- header sent by my app
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13:12	Whisller	good morning
13:15	v-dogg	mornig
13:16	v-dogg	n
13:17	v-dogg	ah, stupid piece of ie crap
13:18	Whisller	:)
13:19	v-dogg	$response->setHttpHeader('Content-Disposition', 'attachment; filename="print.pdf"');
13:19	v-dogg	without that IE won't show it
13:20	Whisller	Heh yes IE is great ;p
13:20	digitarald	thats like displaying images ... then its 'inline' :D
13:21	Whisller	i've got 23 days to end using xp... :/
13:22	Whisller	ehh i don't want linux :)
13:22	Whisller	*wanna
13:26	digitarald	get a mac ;)
13:28	Whisller	hehe
13:28	RossC0	hi - whats the command to get a set attribute in your view ?
13:28	v-dogg	ftw... IE still won't open it on the production server
13:29	RossC0	$this->getContext()->getAttribute?
13:29	v-dogg	from localhost it works
13:29	Whisller	RossC0, $this-...
13:29	Whisller	v-dogg, ;)
13:29	Whisller	tfu
13:29	Whisller	RossC0,
13:29	Whisller	$this->setTemplate('var', $var);
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13:29	Whisller	$template['var'] - in template
13:29	v-dogg	no :)
13:30	Whisller	:>
13:30	RossC0	I'm passing a post var from the action
13:30	Whisller	oooo
13:30	Whisller	set
13:30	Whisller	i'm sorry
13:30	RossC0	in the example all I see is the translationManager stuff
13:31	v-dogg	RossC0: you can either store stuff into request ($this->getContext()->getRequest()->get/setAttribute(...) )
13:31	v-dogg	or store stuff directly into the view using $this->setAttribute(...) ($this being the action)
13:32	v-dogg	attrs set using the second method are directly used as template variables ($template['myvar'])
13:33	v-dogg	and can also be accessed via $this->getAttribute in the view
13:33	v-dogg	confusing enough?-)
13:38	RossC0	ah cool!
13:38	RossC0	My demo sucked thou :(
13:38	RossC0	works now - always the way
13:38	v-dogg	you already had it?
13:39	RossC0	yeah - we've got 8 days to built the best web site ever
13:39	RossC0	yabba yabba.
13:39	RossC0	its ok we'll pick agavi up later for another side project in the new year
13:39	RossC0	when we have more time :-/
13:40	digitarald	:D first project with agavi need definetly a bunch of time ... the following are 1000% faster
13:41	RossC0	crazy thing is I know in x months there will be a rewrite
13:41	RossC0	ha well
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15:14	Wombert	it's not gonna be the best website ever if you don't use agavi ;)
15:17	Whisller	true true. time on tea
15:17	v-dogg	:)
15:51	RossC0	ah man I now have to implement a simple MVC for the site from scratch! :-?
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16:34	digitarald	commandline: agavi createCoolProject
16:34	Wombert	?
16:36	digitarald	nevermind ... too much Heroes epodisodes
16:36	Wombert	:>>>>
16:36	Wombert	heroes ftw
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17:17	codecop	i looked at http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/Validation/RegisteringValidatorsManually , but this code still produsses errors http://phpfi.com/184143
17:27	v-dogg	http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/validator/AgaviValidator.class.php
17:27	v-dogg	yeah, there seems to be a typo
17:28	v-dogg	but you can easily see what the problem is by looking at constructor
17:33	CPUnerd	hehe I meesed my xmlentities
17:57	v-dogg	codecop: http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/1374/branches/0.11/src/validator/AgaviValidator.class.php
17:57	v-dogg	that's the change that broke that example
17:57	v-dogg	I'll correct it right away
17:57	v-dogg	thank you for pointing that out
17:58	codecop	;) ok i cant get it where the prob
17:59	v-dogg	errro message were passed along with the other parameters previously
17:59	v-dogg	now you pass them separately
18:08	v-dogg	hFatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in C:\workspace\agavi\b011\src\config\AgaviXmlConfigParser.class.php on line 64
18:08	v-dogg	-h
18:09	v-dogg	Wombert, kaos: that was the sample apps login action
18:09	kaos	what php version is this ?
18:10	digitarald	ah, this fpf still can't populate integers in select-options ... grmpf
18:13	v-dogg	kaos: PHP 5.1.2
18:16	kaos	digitarald: aha O_o
18:17	kaos	<select name="foo"><option value="4">opt3</option><option value="2">opt2</option><option value="0">opt1</option></select> gets populated fine
18:17	digitarald	is foo a string or an integer?
18:18	v-dogg	you use integers as input names?
18:18	digitarald	when its an integer, like a value from a propelmodel the fpf do not populate it because it checks === for the value
18:19	kaos	thats actually propels problem
18:19	digitarald	no, fpf
18:19	digitarald	value is 4, value in the select is "4"
18:19	kaos	hm
18:19	digitarald	both are integer
18:19	kaos	ah, that way
18:19	digitarald	but the 4 in propel is a real integer, the one in select/option is a string
18:20	digitarald	wombert knew that problem ... still no solution
18:20	digitarald	:,-(
18:20	digitarald	:D
18:20	v-dogg	cast everything into strings when you set them into a parameterholder
18:20	kaos	arary_map($a, 'strvalue');
18:21	kaos	w/o looking at the manual ^^
18:21	digitarald	;) ... thats a workaround, no real solution
18:21	kaos	-ue
18:21	digitarald	because the array contains arrays ...
18:21	v-dogg	there was some reason why Wombert used ===
18:21	v-dogg	so there might not be a better solution
18:22	digitarald	the reason is null ;)
18:22	digitarald	null == 0 == "" ...
18:22	v-dogg	ah, right
18:23	digitarald	he just has to check for this
18:23	kaos	array_walk_recursive($array, create_function('&$item, $key', '$item = (string) $item;'));
18:23	digitarald	or cast the value
18:23	kaos	^^
18:23	kaos	;p
18:23	v-dogg	kaos: pretty :)
18:24	kaos	i would really like to see real lambda functions in php
18:24	kaos	but i think thats never gonna happen :)
18:26	v-dogg	kaos: uhm... I updated to php 5.2 and the problem vanished
18:26	kaos	i was expecting something like that
18:27	kaos	its probably some referencing issue
18:27	kaos	or something other strange ;)
18:27	v-dogg	it's... php.
18:27	kaos	yeah
18:28	kaos	i think we should port agavi to ruby xD
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18:37	digitarald	when u use $this->setAttribute in an Action the attribute is in the template, right?
18:40	v-dogg	or view, to be precise
18:40	v-dogg	and from there to the template
18:42	v-dogg	codecop: I updated the example to work with the latest svn version
18:56	digitarald	suggestions? how to avoid "Don\\\'t" in forms?
19:06	kaos	don't escape anything ? O_o
19:06	Arme[N]	digitarald: check this article out...(the site seems is down I just using cached version)
19:06	Arme[N]	http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:X1HGJw9gDecJ:www.webmasterstop.com/63.html+%22War+Against+Magic+Quotes!%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
19:22	digitarald	thought agavi handle that automated ... this google cache is reeaaaal slooooww
19:24	v-dogg	handled what automatically?
19:26	digitarald	supermagic quotes, slashes ... all that baad php behaviour ;)
19:28	codecop	v-dogg, thanx! for that
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19:35	digitarald	ok ... set_magic_quotes_runtime(0); in config.php ... any other solution?
19:42	Arme[N]	don't forget to set magic_quotes_gpc to off and escape gpc by hand (IMHO)
19:42	Arme[N]	I don't know agavi handle this automaticali or not
19:42	Arme[N]	if not you can create a filter for that
19:43	Arme[N]	you should use escape function when you are trying to insert/update the DB (the functions depends on DBMS or DB abstraction layer)
19:44	digitarald	man, that suckz ... u use these enterprise frameworks and orm databases and still u have to care about magic quotes
19:45	digitarald	i use propel, it should take care! kickspropel
19:46	v-dogg	just disable all magic quotes and you are fine
19:46	v-dogg	from php.ini
19:46	digitarald	i never touch any of these data ... agavi populates the forms, propel loads and saves data ... i don't want to see any slashes
19:46	digitarald	i don't have access to php.ini
19:47	Arme[N]	digitarald: I asked you it depends on DBMS or DB_Abstraction_layer :)
19:48	digitarald	so propel/creole ...
19:48	Arme[N]	I have no clue
19:49	Arme[N]	if you don't access to php.ini just simulate disableing magic quote, is this good way v-dogg?
19:50	Arme[N]	with creating a filter, and looping through request parameters and stripslashes by hand... I don't know this is possible in agavi or not
19:51	digitarald	i'll try .htaccess with "php_flag magic_quotes_gpc off"
19:51	Arme[N]	ah, you right
19:54	Wombert	oh how nice
19:55	Wombert	there is still hosting companies that have magic quotes on
19:55	Wombert	W
19:55	Wombert	T
19:55	Wombert	F
19:55	Wombert	:
19:55	Wombert	<
19:55	digitarald	;) you'll never know ... don't trust these evil persons
19:56	digitarald	what about populating integer values in selects via fpf ;)
19:57	Wombert	I cannot be bothered to do anything about magic quotes
19:57	Wombert	because they escape everything
19:57	Wombert	post, get, server...
19:57	Wombert	fix it yourself during init
19:57	Wombert	agavi doesn't work with magic quotes, period
19:57	Arme[N]	Wombert: ;)
19:57	digitarald	i'll do now ...
19:57	Wombert	unless someone provides a patch
19:57	Wombert	integer in fpf... maybe if I find the time, yes
19:58	Arme[N]	Wombert: is it fine to stripslash those by hand with a filter?
19:59	digitarald	ok, thx in advance
20:04	digitarald	shall i patch it?
21:12	CIA-11	david * r1429 /branches/0.11/src/request/AgaviWebRequest.class.php: BREAKING CHANGE: improved cookie and file handling, the tickets tell the story, closes #368 and #369
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22:35	Wombert	http://feedraider.blogspot.com/2006/12/finland-during-wintertime.html
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23:12	v-dogg	heh
23:13	v-dogg	and btw, a filter that would cure the magic quotes disease would be an overkill
23:14	v-dogg	it requires less than 10 lines and it could reside, say, in your config.php
23:16	v-dogg	http://www.boutell.com/newfaq/creating/magicquotes.html
23:20	digitarald	saw that too in php manual comments
23:22	v-dogg	I think I had about that code in one of my pre-historic mojavi projects
23:23	Wombert	I believe _SERVER needs that treatment, too
23:24	v-dogg	hmm...
23:26	v-dogg	I don't I have ever had problems with _SERVER
23:26	v-dogg	not that I've ever used stuff from there that much though
23:26	Wombert	kk :)
23:26	v-dogg	+think
23:26	Wombert	well
23:26	Wombert	hm
23:26	Wombert	yeah
23:27	v-dogg	what would be quotes there?
23:27	v-dogg	quoted*
23:28	v-dogg	sigh
23:28	Wombert	mmh
23:28	Wombert	maybe stuff like path info
23:28	Wombert	or so
23:28	Wombert	no idea
23:28	v-dogg	ok
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23:35	v-dogg	http://www.php.net/manual/security.magicquotes.why.php
23:35	v-dogg	sigh...
23:35	impl	picked up a copy of PoEAA today :D
23:35	v-dogg	"Useful for beginners"
23:35	impl	v-dogg: Like register_globals... :P
23:35	v-dogg	impl: a great book
23:35	impl	Although I think the second argument is even worse
23:35	v-dogg	have it here beside me :)
23:35	impl	v-dogg: So I've heard
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04:45	CIA-11	dominik * r1430 /branches/0.11/src/validator/ (2 files):
04:45	CIA-11	made the file validator compliant with the new request file handling stuff
04:45	CIA-11	closes #361
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06:29	Wombert	yawns
06:29	Wombert	morning
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07:01	ttj	Mornin'.
07:18	Wombert	hey ttj
07:19	Wombert	maaan somehow...
07:19	Wombert	why the fuck do I wake up at 5am and then cannot sleep anymore
07:19	Wombert	my sleep cycle still is al foobar'd
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07:40	ttj	:-/
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08:13	Arme[N]	morning
08:16	ttj	'nin.
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10:04	Wombert	let me know if that works, digitarald
10:04	CIA-11	david * r1431 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php: enabled support for populating forms from integer values, too
10:10	digitarald	ah ... My hero ... :D
10:12	Arme[N]	:)
10:15	digitarald	i have again a strange DOMDocument UTF-8 error when i first enter the site, not authenticated. This error will be not easy to find, had that a time ago
10:15	Wombert	wrong encoding
10:16	digitarald	i know ... but how to find this little harasser in a puzzled template and fpf puts out wrong linenumbers because it changes the document
10:17	digitarald	maybe ... a debug option for fpf would be cool
10:17	Wombert	no
10:17	Wombert	you just have decorator and normal template there
10:17	Wombert	open them with your editor
10:17	Wombert	it will show you a ? symbol
10:18	digitarald	it shows this error only one time, when i enter the site the first time after closing the browser
10:19	digitarald	is works, thank god (wombert)
10:19	Wombert	well yeah that means that you output non-utf8 data somewhere
10:19	digitarald	i ment the fpf patch
10:19	Wombert	maybe it's not even in the template
10:19	digitarald	i know, thats what the error said ;)
10:20	digitarald	i'll try to find it later, maybe nobody will notice this little excepion :D
10:21	digitarald	the .htaccess entry against magic quotes helped, at least for this provider
10:22	Wombert	why don't you simply disable fpf, call the page, and let your browser show you the error...
10:25	digitarald	mh ... i'll try right now
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11:11	v-dogg	huomenta
11:12	Wombert	y0
11:13	Arme[N]	v-dogg: huomenta
11:15	v-dogg	what's up
11:25	Arme[N]	hmm, nothing :)
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14:06	v-dogg	http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-phprss/?ca=dgr-lnxw06PHP-RSS
14:06	v-dogg	a good example of separation of logic and presentation
14:06	v-dogg	erhmm.. not
14:09	v-dogg	oh... this so gets to me... why are 99% of PHP examples in the net just total "hello world newbie I just learned if-then-else" crap
14:20	Wombert	I like <input type="text" name="foo" value="<?php echo $_GET['foo']; ?>" /> best
14:20	Wombert	oh wait
14:21	Wombert	I like <input type="text" name="foo" value="<?php echo $_GET[foo]; ?>" /> best
14:21	Wombert	xD
14:21	Wombert	or maybe
14:21	Wombert	yes, I really like <input type="text" name="foo" value="<?php echo $foo; ?>" /> best :)
14:45	v-dogg	buahahaa
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15:45	v-dogg	hmm...
15:45	v-dogg	Strict Standards: Static function CreoleTypes::getType() should not be abstract in C:\workspace\EcomWebi\3rdparty\creole\CreoleTypes.php on line 124
15:47	v-dogg	this poped up after I upgraded to php5.2
15:49	v-dogg	and phpdb.org is down :(
16:12	Wombert	I'll offer Hans a VM on our new server
16:12	Wombert	agavi will be hosted there, too
16:12	Wombert	hardware raid 1, finally
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17:39	v-dogg	Wombert: you think creole people are aware of this incompatibility with php 5.2 (strict)?
17:40	v-dogg	or is it already fixed? I'm not sure what version my project uses
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19:03	Wombert	v-dogg: abstract static function getType($nativeType);
19:03	Wombert	with 1.1.0
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19:58	v-dogg	Wombert: so it's not fixed?
20:00	v-dogg	what's wrong with phpdb.org? some major hardware failure? payments overdue?
20:03	Wombert	I have no idea
20:04	Wombert	I emailed hans and offered him a virtual machine on our new box
20:04	Wombert	he replied, but it's still offline
20:04	Wombert	I can't ssh in either
20:05	digitarald	ähm ... http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/370
20:07	v-dogg	Wombert: ok to delete that?
20:08	Wombert	no no
20:09	Wombert	I'll handle it
20:09	v-dogg	I thought you might
20:09	Wombert	v-dogg: first, go to admin, spam monitoring
20:10	v-dogg	then?
20:10	Wombert	well I dit it now but...
20:10	Wombert	mark the spam ticket
20:10	Wombert	(checkbox)
20:10	Wombert	then "mark as spam"
20:10	Wombert	then select it again and delete it
20:10	v-dogg	ah, ok
20:10	v-dogg	good to know
20:10	Wombert	so it is removed from the list and the next person won't mark it as spam again (important for the bayes filter)
20:11	Wombert	then go back to the ticket and hit "delete" (that's TicketDeletePlugin there)
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08:21	horros	huomenta
08:25	v-dogg	huomenta
08:26	horros	how's things?
08:28	v-dogg	a bit busy, otherwise fine
08:28	v-dogg	there?
08:29	horros	well, if you change "a bit" to "extremely" and "otherwise fine" to "crap", then likewise
08:29	horros	:)
08:29	v-dogg	heh
08:30	horros	trying to figure out why propel insists on adding UPPER() to everything it sorts by, hence rendering my indexes completely useless :)
08:35	v-dogg	huh? didn't know that
08:45	horros	there we go
08:45	horros	0.7 seconds => 0.2 seconds :)
08:47	horros	there, fixed another index, and we're down to 100-odd ms :)
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10:18	Arme[N]	morning
10:18	Arme[N]	http://paul-m-jones.com/blog/?p=236
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12:45	digitarald	is there now a new check in the Action if a file was uploaded without validationerror
12:49	Wombert	...
12:50	Wombert	http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/367
12:51	digitarald	ok, so later, thx
12:52	digitarald	Should fpf populate checkboxes where variable is boolean-true and the checkbox-value is 'true'?
12:54	digitarald	Wombert: my profile form does forget his true/false checkboxes, i'll take a look at fpf
12:55	Wombert	do they hsve a value?
12:55	Wombert	they need a value, that's the only thing
12:55	digitarald	checkboxes: "true"
12:55	Wombert	I mean
12:55	Wombert	<input type="checkbox" name="asdf" value="1" />
12:55	Wombert	or so
12:55	Wombert	I think that is needed
12:55	Wombert	maybe I broke something
12:55	digitarald	<input id="profile-profilepublic" name="profilepublic" value="true" />
12:55	Wombert	can look into it later, but gotta run now
12:56	digitarald	and profilepublic is true/false ...
12:56	Wombert	?
12:56	digitarald	the variable to populate
12:56	Wombert	I don't think that works
12:57	digitarald	it needs to be true/null?
12:57	Wombert	I believe it needs the same value as in the value attribute
12:57	Wombert	let me see
12:57	digitarald	i'll already diggin through the code ;)
12:58	digitarald	ok ... i'll convert them to integers
12:58	digitarald	and use value 1
12:59	Wombert	I'll see if I can add such functionality
12:59	Wombert	it sure would make sense to allow true and false
13:02	digitarald	all data comes from propel, to convert some things is still possible
13:02	digitarald	in toArray
13:05	v-dogg	I always use 0/1 for boolean fields
13:11	digitarald	propel not ;)
13:11	digitarald	but i'll change that
13:16	Wombert	it's probably best just not to pass on those values that are false
13:16	Wombert	I don't know if I can add that to FPF, it's very difficult (bool values)
13:19	v-dogg	digitarald: I use smallint fields in my db too
13:20	v-dogg	I find it easier
13:22	digitarald	ok, conversion should be no problem
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14:26	digitarald	is there any option that allows exceptions to ignore my try...catch?
14:27	v-dogg	uhm.. what?
14:28	v-dogg	not to catch some exceptions?
14:29	v-dogg	try { ... } catch (MyException $e) { ... } catch (AgaviException $e) { ... } //all other exceptions may pass
14:30	digitarald	i have catch(AgaviSecurityException $e), but both AgaviSecurityException ignore them
14:32	v-dogg	there's something else wrong
14:33	v-dogg	or a _huge_ bug in PHP :)
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14:34	horros	v-dogg: heh, stefan esser resigned from PHP :)
14:37	v-dogg	some core dev? (I'm not very tuned in to php community)
14:37	horros	security bloke
14:38	horros	got sick and tired of the PHP devs attacking him immediately when he pointed a finger at some security fault in PHP :)
14:38	v-dogg	where did he announced this?
14:38	v-dogg	haha
14:38	horros	http://blog.php-security.org/archives/61-Retired-from-securityphp.net.html
14:40	v-dogg	"The author does not allow comments to this entry" :p
14:40	v-dogg	oooh... why is php developed by clueless morons...
14:41	horros	http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/82500
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16:39	Wombert	holy cow it's almost 4p and still no torrent of last night's daily show
16:40	Wombert	dear god please make someone upload it already
16:43	v-dogg	everytime you use torrent god uploads kitten porn
16:43	v-dogg	uhm... wait, no it was something else
16:43	Wombert	so what should I do :(
16:43	Wombert	I don't get comedy central here
16:43	Wombert	it's US cable :p
16:43	Wombert	hell I don't even hurt anyone!
16:43	Wombert	since I can't buy episodes on iTunes either
16:44	Wombert	which I would if I could
16:44	Wombert	we'll get Comedy Central in german cable in january
16:44	Wombert	probably not here though
16:44	Wombert	AND
16:44	Wombert	daily show will be... CUT!
16:44	Wombert	because these fucking morons think that germans wouldn't understand some of the jokes
16:44	Wombert	because they require knowledge of the american political system
16:44	Wombert	the funny thing is
16:45	Wombert	jon stewart first explains what happened
16:45	Wombert	and then makes fun of it
16:45	Wombert	so everybody understands it
16:45	Wombert	AND
16:45	Wombert	it airs 12:30am, so only students and other guys who even KNOW that the daily show exists will tune in anyway
16:45	Wombert	but no, they'll cut it down (wtf, it's only 20 minutes anyway?) and... they're even considering to dub it to german
16:46	Wombert	holy shit man I live in such a fucked up country
16:46	Wombert	is finland any better, v-dogg
16:46	Wombert	if yes, I'll move there
16:46	Wombert	:>
16:50	v-dogg	you should get a capital punishment for dub'ing
16:50	Wombert	they dub everything here
16:50	Wombert	sometimes it's excellent (scrubs)
16:50	v-dogg	ok, maybe it's ok for children's programmes :)
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16:51	Wombert	sometimes not (king of queens: football => soccer)
16:51	Wombert	the sad thing is when they have star wars or so
16:51	Wombert	and they use different translations for the same word in the next movie in the series or so
16:51	Wombert	that so drives me nuts
16:51	v-dogg	yeah
16:51	Wombert	and ze germans wouldn't have such a crappy english if stuff here were english
16:52	Wombert	subtitles (that can be disabled) would be cool
16:52	Wombert	I wonder if that's possible with any of the DVB standards...
16:52	Wombert	not subtitles I mean
16:52	Wombert	but multiple languages in original version
16:53	Wombert	because sometimes (basically never), you'll have english and german, but these are mono then
16:53	v-dogg	almost nothing is dubbed here (apart from childrens tv, of course). and with kiddy movies (in a theatres) you can almost always choose a non-dubbed version
16:54	toby_swe	is it recommended to do validation of parameters from routes, for instance an integer user id (like "/users/show/34"), or is the "validation" through the expression in the route pattern enough?
16:54	v-dogg	which is nice because I like movies like Shrek and Ice Age
16:54	Wombert	toby_swe: validate using validation
16:54	toby_swe	ok, thanks
16:55	v-dogg	patter="/users/show/(id:\d+)
16:55	Wombert	toby_swe: there are some cases where you wpuld validate inside the routing, via a callback
16:55	Wombert	e.g.
16:55	v-dogg	matches only if the id is an integer
16:55	Wombert	<route pattern="^(username:\w+).mycoolservice.com$" callback="validateHostname" />
16:56	Wombert	that validateHostname callback would then check if that user name exists (i.e. wombert.mycoolservice.com is allowed), and maybe even set the user id for that user name in the request
16:56	Wombert	but in cases such as yours, you should always use validation
16:56	v-dogg	Wombert: why?
16:56	Wombert	v-dogg: it avoids redundancy
16:57	v-dogg	given the example there
16:57	Wombert	otherwise, you would have to do the hostname check in every action that is allowed for it
16:57	v-dogg	is there any reason to re-check it using validation?
16:57	Wombert	you mean for /sers/show/(id:\d+) ?
16:57	v-dogg	yeah
16:57	Wombert	well what if the user doesn't exist :)
16:57	v-dogg	sure you have to check that :D
16:58	Wombert	handling that in the action execute is a bit lame
16:58	Wombert	I probably wouldn't setup a validator either
16:58	Wombert	instead, do it in action::validate
16:58	Wombert	where I also set the user as an action attribute right away
16:58	v-dogg	yeah, I see your point, I was thinking about validating the integer itself
16:58	Wombert	so I don't have to fetch it from the db again in execute()
16:58	Wombert	aaaah no of course not
17:01	Wombert	mmmmmh tasty x-rays today
17:01	Wombert	http://sec.noaa.gov/today.html
17:01	toby_swe	I was also thinking of just validation of the integer itself. But I see your point Wombert, good one! Going to implement that...
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17:13	jake	hey Wombert
17:13	jake	how goes it?
17:13	Wombert	heyyy jake what's up
17:16	jake	not a whole lot. Getting ready to go to Vancouver. I love December in the states, everything just about shuts down :)
17:16	Wombert	CANADA?
17:16	Wombert	xD
17:19	jake	yeah, Vancouver is a pretty fun city. I'm going for the weekend and doing some skiing
17:20	Wombert	oh they have snow yet?
17:20	Wombert	no snow here
17:20	Wombert	and not even in finland, either, from what I heard
17:20	Wombert	kinds sucks, christmas is approaching (feck, gotta buy presents) and the sun is shining with blue sky all day
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17:25	Wombert	http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327 LOL
17:26	Wombert	"Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality."
17:26	Wombert	holy crap ^^
17:27	jake	Yeah, I went skiing last weekend in Washington. We've had snow for a few weeks.
17:27	jake	Yep. If you are trying to build muscle use Whey or Cassien protein, not Soy
17:28	jake	I don't know about that statement, but soy has been shown to increase estrogen production in men
17:28	Wombert	<mixman> [16:72] I always wondered what it took to be gay, now I have the answer
17:28	Wombert	haha
17:29	Wombert	yeah okay but that article is soooo homophobic
17:29	Wombert	ahaha
17:31	jake	Yeah, I don't know that I agree with the 'increase in homosexuality' statement :)
17:32	Wombert	rrrrrgh
17:32	Wombert	what's that xml standard called to exchange data
17:32	Wombert	similar to json, but in xml
17:33	Wombert	no data exchange, sorry, just representation
17:33	Wombert	oh wait was that xml anyway?
17:33	Wombert	it's something invented by macromedia or so
17:36	Wombert	wddx
17:36	Wombert	yeah that was it
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17:56	splatch	oi!
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18:11	digitarald	Wombert, what do u mean, there are no xml ajax standards
18:11	digitarald	Rico framework has one, but it's weird
18:11	Wombert	I meant WDDX
18:21	jake	sure you did
18:21	jake	:)
18:22	Wombert	for ajax, JSON is the best option anyway
18:23	jake	Definitely
18:23	jake	We used XMLRPC
18:23	jake	but god was that difficult to work with in JS
18:23	Wombert	that's good for server-to-server
18:23	Wombert	but for clients... use JSON
18:23	Wombert	there is also something called JSON-RPC
18:23	jake	Well, we have a JS class for creating and parsing xmlrpc, but it was a huge pain in the ass
18:23	Wombert	basically XMLRPC, but with JSON as the transport
18:23	jake	We just ended up using JSON
18:24	Wombert	what I like so much about json is that
18:24	Wombert	if you use prototype
18:24	Wombert	you can return a small json expression in a header
18:24	Wombert	that will then be evaluated and passed to your request handler
18:24	Wombert	so the actual response is html, but you also get json to indicate success or failure, for instance
18:24	Wombert	I guess other js frameworks support that, too
18:34	digitarald	good idea, i will put that into mootools, too
18:35	Wombert	they don't have that?
18:35	digitarald	not in the actual download version, i don't know any framework except prototype has that
18:36	Wombert	mmmh...
18:36	Wombert	=> mootools sucks
18:36	v-dogg	that guy is joking, right?
18:36	digitarald	:D why?
18:36	v-dogg	uhm... sorry, not you :)
18:36	Wombert	me? ^^
18:36	digitarald	i know ... soy-gay-guy :D
18:37	v-dogg	http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327 <- THIS guy :D
18:37	Wombert	v-dogg: no
18:37	Wombert	that's one of these conservatives they have in america
18:37	v-dogg	brilliant people...
18:37	Wombert	well mootools is based on prototype, which has that feature, and they took it out, because all they can do is take an awesome library and ruin it
18:37	Wombert	that's why :)
18:38	digitarald	moo.fx based on prototype
18:38	digitarald	mootools based on Base.js by Dean
18:39	digitarald	do u like script.aculo.us?
18:39	Wombert	it's okay
18:40	jake	I like mootools, I also like the yahoo tool kit
18:40	digitarald	mootools ... its a lot smaller and faster than prototype. i hope prototype gets a new start when they rebuild it, using Base.js and never never extend Object.prototype again
18:41	Wombert	yahoo has matured quite a bit
18:41	jake	mootools is pretty well put together. I have used it internally on some projects
18:41	jake	We use feather and yui in production though
18:41	Wombert	mootools is lightweight, but I really like prototype because it's so fucking awesome words cannot describe it
18:41	Wombert	it has _everything_
18:41	Wombert	feather? never heard of it
18:41	Wombert	is YUI good for production?
18:41	Wombert	doesn't it use prototype?
18:41	jake	Except, prototype is huge
18:41	Wombert	yes
18:41	Wombert	unfortunately
18:42	Wombert	www.djangobook.com go to a chapter and check out that comments system...
18:42	Wombert	I'll build the same thing for the agavi manual
18:42	Wombert	while it's under development
18:42	Wombert	for 1.0
18:42	Wombert	:)=
18:42	jake	yui doesn't use prototype
18:42	Wombert	mmh
18:42	digitarald	Wombert, not every framework use prototype ;)
18:42	jake	And you can just use the parts you need, which is why it's ideal for production
18:43	digitarald	jQuery really suckz ... no classes, no real namespace ... uh
18:43	jake	We can just use the parts we need for the app we're building
18:43	Wombert	yeah scriptaculous has that feature, too
18:44	jake	I also just personally feel like a yahoo toolkit will be sane
18:44	digitarald	what feature?
18:44	jake	Third party JS is a real gamble
18:44	Wombert	digitarald: selectively include only what you need
18:45	digitarald	but its not splitted very well ... to make a list sortable u have 100kb to include ...
18:45	Wombert	yeah
18:45	Wombert	I don't have the impression that YUI is any better tho
18:45	Wombert	seems like a real monster to me!?
18:46	Wombert	and moo.fx just lacks too much versatility
18:46	Wombert	I want to do it my way, not their way
18:46	digitarald	but i think that js framework stuff is religion ... after choosing mootools and updating my prototype scripts i saw its easier to handle and cleaner ...
18:47	digitarald	try mootools ;) the step from prototype isnt that bad because 95% of the basic functions are the same
18:48	jake	YUI is pretty small. Again, just include the things you need. Plus it comes with 3 versions of every file. a debug version, a production (min) version, and a commented regular version
18:49	digitarald	never tried YUI, but i saw it's not easy to customize, all this UI's look the same ...
18:49	digitarald	ok, some people say every RoR site looks the same :D
18:53	Wombert	yeah
18:53	Wombert	that's my gripe about the yahoo stuff
18:53	Wombert	you cannot define how it looks
18:53	Wombert	they're not to blame, it looks good, but it will never fit your site 100%
18:53	jake	You can customize it pretty easily, you just have to know how to do it :) By extending the classes properly you can customize everything
18:53	Wombert	this stuff is awfully difficult to achieve
18:53	jake	You should check this out
18:53	Wombert	I think pure css would be better for that
18:53	jake	Wombert do you have a mixxer account?
18:53	Wombert	jake: nope
18:53	Wombert	jake: can I make one?
18:54	jake	Sure, it's free
18:54	Wombert	oooh jake I got a mobile phone question
18:54	Wombert	query
18:54	jake	I want to show you something we released today, based on the YUI kit, that I think looks great, and fits our site
18:55	Wombert	http://www.mixxer.com/ringtones/module/Checkout/action/RegisterStart <- you guys need agavi with teh routing!
18:55	jake	Just provide a crap phone number, carrier and phone.
18:55	jake	We can't replace our stuff with agavi.
18:55	Wombert	Invalid Phone Number, booh!
18:55	Wombert	:>
18:55	jake	It would be an insane undertaking. It might happen over a year or more, but not any time soon :)
18:56	digitarald	is that mojavi ar mixxer.com, url looks like ;)
18:56	jake	yep
18:57	jake	mojavi 2
18:57	jake	For 2+ years now
18:57	digitarald	like in my old company ... but they writing on a whole new cms with agavi ...
18:57	jake	We're building new apps with rails and agavi, but the site framework will be mojavi for a long time to come
18:58	Wombert	okay I'm logged in, jake
18:58	jake	We have almost a million loc
18:58	Wombert	rails!!!! zomg!!!!!
18:58	jake	Go to the following url: http://www.mixxer.com/ringtones/module/OpenLocker/action/ExternalMobilize?sUrl=http://www.myspace.com/zenagain
18:58	jake	That's my myspace page, btw
18:58	digitarald	with rails and agavi ... in the mix :D
18:58	jake	And actually, you can switch the sUrl with any url you want
18:58	jake	And any content that we can make mobile will appear, including audio and video
18:59	Wombert	it just says
18:59	Wombert	Mobilizing www.myspace.com
18:59	jake	Yeah, give it a second, it's progressing
18:59	jake	So, once you've gotten to that page click on a 'send to phone' link
18:59	jake	It only took me about 3 seconds...
18:59	Wombert	maybe it doesn't work with safari?
19:00	jake	Oh, maybe not, we don't have a mac to test with :/
19:00	jake	Well, be assured, there's some cool stuff being done with yui :)
19:00	Wombert	nah I'll use camino now
19:01	Wombert	that worked
19:02	Wombert	ah, a lightbox, with the proper url in the link itself
19:02	jake	okay, cool. I'll let the guy know who worked on that that it doesn't work with Safari
19:02	Wombert	thumbs up, jake, that's how you're supposed to do it
19:02	jake	yep, and looks good eh?
19:02	jake	bbiam
19:02	Wombert	it doesn' teven show the "please wait while mixxer is mobilizing..." text or the progress bar
19:03	Wombert	well it's just a black box with the photo in it ;>
19:03	Wombert	tbh, I find the entire mixxer design and layout very crappy
19:03	Wombert	no offense
19:03	Wombert	it's a fantastic site feature-wise, but not very pretty
19:04	Wombert	and nothing happens when I click that youtube vid
19:19	Wombert	http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/14/video-lego-car-parks-itself-better-than-lexus-for-less-than-25/
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20:07	Arme[N]	yeah, debug console, it is really usefull.. cheeeeeeeers
20:08	Wombert	;)
20:19	Wombert	btw
20:19	Wombert	what I totally forgot...
20:19	Wombert	v-dogg?
20:35	Arme[N]	:)
20:49	v-dogg	woooooooooooooooooot
20:49	Wombert	php6 will maybe have namespaces
20:50	Wombert	but if it gets them
20:50	Wombert	Foo\Bar\Baz
20:50	Wombert	no "import Foo\Bar\*"
20:50	Wombert	which means it's the same as the current approach where everyone uses underscores
20:50	Wombert	...
20:51	v-dogg	sigh
20:51	v-dogg	so it gives.. uhm... nothing?!
20:52	v-dogg	how utterly stupid is that
20:53	digitarald	that's awesome, these php guys invent soo much new ideas ... dots are out, take slashes ... yeah
20:54	v-dogg	is it just totally useless? can I use it for directory layout and autoload? anything?
20:54	v-dogg	yeah... wtf \
20:54	v-dogg	where the hell did that come from
21:04	kaos	basicly the only operator not in use already ;)
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22:02	v-dogg	where do you read about php6?
22:05	kaos	on the php-internals mailing list
22:05	kaos	mostly
22:06	kaos	some stuff is there: http://www.php.net/~derick/meeting-notes.html (one year old now)
22:07	kaos	and most stuff is here http://oss.backendmedia.com/PhP60 too
22:07	kaos	should be more recent
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22:19	v-dogg	Dropped Items has many things I really wouldn't like to see there...
22:20	v-dogg	1, 2, 7, 10, 14, 15
22:21	impl	Hmmh?
22:22	v-dogg	http://oss.backendmedia.com/PhP60
22:22	kaos	well
22:22	kaos	tbh, i would really like to see MI
22:22	kaos	even scrapped like hell if they want
22:23	kaos	but as a c++ developer i am just soooo used to mixins :D
22:24	kaos	but the best thing is that {} [] string index shit
22:24	v-dogg	yeah...
22:24	kaos	in php 4 they introduce {}
22:24	kaos	tell everyone to use it
22:24	kaos	and 1 version later deprecate it again
22:24	kaos	ffs
22:24	v-dogg	and now it's not cleaned up
22:25	kaos	well, i think they said they gonna remove it completely in 6.0
22:25	kaos	iirc
22:25	v-dogg	why can't they sort out this mess for good? screw b/c and build things from scratch if necessary
22:26	kaos	well
22:26	v-dogg	19. Cleanup for {} vs. [] ?????
22:26	v-dogg	in Dropped Items
22:26	kaos	welcome to the world of php :D
22:27	kaos	its so sad
22:27	kaos	seing 3-5 ppl block features which like the entire community requests
22:27	kaos	just because they're sticking their fingers into their arses and wont take it out there
22:27	kaos	(you better don't get me started on the zend guys, really :D)
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23:23	Wombert	yeah these yesteryear procecdural coders
23:23	Wombert	bunchafools
23:23	Wombert	ability to move autoloaded main classes in apc's class lookup preventing the overhead of doing the inheritance process all the time. (marcus)
23:23	Wombert	for APC
23:23	Wombert	nice
23:23	Wombert	wtf is wrong with the dropped items thing
23:24	Wombert	add support for <?php="foo" ?>
23:24	Wombert	but they drop <?
23:24	Wombert	awesome...
23:24	Wombert	oooh wait they keep <?
23:24	Wombert	ARGH
23:24	impl	kaos: I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that they would have to rewrite a metric fuckton of the engine to get the features they want to work
23:25	impl	Wombert: You know what the namespace operating is going to be?
23:25	impl	operator*
23:25	Wombert	\
23:25	Wombert	but
23:25	Wombert	you can't do imports
23:25	Wombert	so it's useless
23:25	impl	huh?
23:25	impl	Why...
23:25	kaos	impl: yes ... i know about ze
23:25	Wombert	you'll have to do Org\Agavi\Request\WebRequest
23:25	kaos	i did some php extension for fun in 4.x times
23:25	kaos	and the zend engine
23:25	Wombert	which is the same as _ so...
23:25	Wombert	impl: because zeev is a fucking moron
23:25	kaos	is simply upper crap in some parts
23:26	Wombert	metric fuckton, haha
23:26	Wombert	see, the metric system rules
23:26	impl	;x
23:26	Wombert	1000 kilograms are a ton
23:26	Wombert	1000 tons are a fuckton
23:26	Wombert	:>
23:28	kaos	i suggest we all concentrate our forces
23:28	kaos	and port agavi
23:28	kaos	to
23:28	kaos	hmm
23:28	kaos	ruby
23:28	kaos	lua
23:28	kaos	python
23:28	kaos	c#
23:28	kaos	xD
23:28	kaos	and see which is the best playground ;)
23:28	Wombert	not python, no
23:29	kaos	ok, then boo perhaps
23:29	kaos	or groovy
23:29	Wombert	we could use prolog where we would just describe what it should be like (cool, mainly) and let the compiler figure out the rest xD
23:29	kaos	or even JAVA :D
23:29	impl	Agavi is the next Struts
23:29	impl	:P
23:29	kaos	or wait, i know some vb.net too
23:29	kaos	so that could be used too
23:29	impl	ewww
23:29	kaos	xD
23:29	impl	gags
23:30	kaos	I#ve actually written an app which was used in a productive way in vb.net
23:30	kaos	(shame on me :s)
23:30	kaos	but i had to
23:30	kaos	because it was @ work
23:30	kaos	:D
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23:30	impl	D:
23:32	kaos	yeah, my time "at work" (during my apprenticeship basicly) was really funny
23:32	kaos	my instructor excluded me explictly from the c course
23:33	kaos	because he feared i could correct him to much xD
23:33	kaos	(and i had to help him when preparing that course with c stuff ;p)
23:33	kaos	but i can't say i didn't have fun there ;D
23:34	kaos	(doing vb.net gg)
23:34	impl	hehe
23:36	kaos	well, and coming into a production department i had to teach c++ to 2 c day coders in the 40ies
23:37	kaos	THATS fun :D
23:37	kaos	(especially when you see funny things as m_ prefix applied to methods (and not only class variables) too
23:37	impl	<3 C
23:38	kaos	lesson learned from that: never try to push c++ methologies to ppl who've only coded c their entire life :P
23:38	impl	So true
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23:38	kaos	<3 c++
23:38	impl	"new? teh fuck? I'll just use malloc"
23:38	kaos	c is ... strange at times
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23:39	kaos	especially when you have to cope with K&R c
23:39	kaos	which i had to back then (gotta love 15 year old software :D)
23:40	kaos	that software was the heart of the sw testing environment of some 50000$ measurement devices ;)
23:41	kaos	add a test, edit like 7 files
23:41	kaos	;D
23:41	kaos	(you'd even have to add the buttons to start/enable that test manually)
23:41	kaos	using the winapi
23:41	kaos	xD
23:41	impl	...
23:41	impl	That's terrible :P
23:41	kaos	yes
23:42	kaos	all strings where stored in constants
23:42	kaos	you had to edit 3 files to get your strings into your code
23:42	kaos	one with the constants
23:42	kaos	one defining an array of those constants
23:42	kaos	and some other file which did something i can't even remember :D
23:42	impl	haha
23:43	kaos	and the fun thing is
23:43	kaos	we were a team of 5 ppl redoing that thing in c++
23:43	kaos	2 were in that department for some time doing that shit all of their recent life
23:43	kaos	1 was a freshly finished apprentice
23:43	kaos	(which was a newb btw ,)
23:44	kaos	and one was a student trainee (basicly the only one except me in that team who knew c++)
23:44	kaos	well, most work was done my that student and me :D
23:44	kaos	(and i was still an apprentice back then)
23:45	kaos	basicly the entire framework, basics, etc were done by us 2
23:45	kaos	and that student was only there 1 day in the week :D
23:45	kaos	i really learned to love c++ over c back then ;)
23:46	impl	The only thing I like about C++ over C is the standard templates
23:46	kaos	and it got me not want to ever work in a place again where you can't decide over the most basic things like which gui wrapper to use ;)
23:46	impl	of course with those you basically include everything that makes C++ what it is
23:47	kaos	well, templates are the most complex and about the most powerful thing in c++
23:47	kaos	i think it took me about 2 years from starting to learn c++ to understanding templates
23:48	kaos	the ATL is a great example of really cool template use
23:48	kaos	ATL doesn't have a single virtual method
23:48	impl	ATL?
23:49	kaos	Active template library from MS
23:49	kaos	used for doing com stuff
23:49	impl	oh, cool
23:49	kaos	and some basic gui things can be done with it too
23:49	impl	looks it up
23:50	kaos	and another really cool thing is the way they do the windows message dispatching
23:50	kaos	it basicly works like mfc where you define a message map, with the method to be called for each windows message
23:50	impl	Not the Windows API way I assume
23:50	impl	I'm having bad memories of that
23:51	kaos	but mfc has a global list storing all hwnd -> CWindow class ptr associations
23:51	kaos	what atl does is just so way cooler
23:52	kaos	they create a "thunk function" which is basicly a small dynamically generated function which has the address of the Window class ptr stored in it
23:52	kaos	and use that as WndProc
23:52	kaos	its explained quite well here: http://www.codeproject.com/atl/atl_underthehood_5.asp
23:53	kaos	and that non virtual function overloading
23:53	kaos	uuh
23:53	impl	really really dislikes the Windows API
23:54	kaos	yup
23:54	kaos	i learned to love QT when doing that test app in c++
23:54	impl	Yeah, Qt is awesome.
23:54	kaos	i wanted to display an progress bar in a treeview
23:54	kaos	10 lines of code
23:54	kaos	just awesome :D
23:55	kaos	and qt4 is just pure luxury
23:55	impl	I think whoever designed the Windows API was either on crack or thought naming conventions were below him
23:55	kaos	signals/slots across threads
23:55	impl	mmm
23:55	kaos	i mean, WTFpwn
23:55	kaos	thats just so ace
23:56	kaos	saves me lot of (already written xD) code in my current (seeecret gg) project
23:57	kaos	and i didn't have so much fun writing stupid text layout code for some time ;)
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00:00	kaos	but you really notice that you did to much php when 50% of your variables are QHashes (or stdext::hash_maps) :D
00:00	Wombert	slaps kaos
00:00	Wombert	you're talking too much
00:00	impl	haha
00:00	Wombert	go back fix the validators!
00:00	Wombert	;)
00:00	impl	psshh
00:03	kaos	:/
00:03	kaos	agavi eats to much of my time
00:03	kaos	:p
00:04	kaos	no time for serious coding ;PP
00:04	impl	THE INTERNETS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS.
00:04	Wombert	the internets
00:04	Wombert	is a series of tuuuubes
00:04	Wombert	xD
00:04	kaos	maybe, but php is not a serious language ;P
00:05	impl	http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/The_Internet_Is_Serious_Business
00:05	impl	All their images are down though :(
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08:01	Wombert	houmenta
08:07	impl	uh oh
08:07	impl	this means I'm up late again
08:13	horros	huomenta Wombert
08:18	Wombert	haha impl
08:18	Wombert	hi horros
08:18	Wombert	how are you doing
08:18	impl	grins
08:18	impl	Morning, both of you
08:19	Wombert	I'm up early again
08:19	Wombert	woke up after ~4h
08:19	Wombert	crap
08:22	horros	oh bugger
08:23	Wombert	YES SIR
08:23	Wombert	BUGGER!
08:23	horros	I remember reading yesterday how to center a div vertically, but I can't find it anymore :(
08:23	Wombert	NO NEED FOR THAT, ZERE IS MEAT IN ZE BUIILDING
08:23	Wombert	easy
08:23	Wombert	position:absolute; top: 50%; height:200px; margin-top: -100px;
08:23	horros	you started it! No we didn't! Yes you did, you invaded Poland!
08:23	horros	:D
08:24	Wombert	well you gotta specify a left: position too
08:24	Wombert	remember that
08:24	Wombert	and that won't work for elements with variable height
08:24	horros	Wombert: ...except I also have to calculate the inner height of the element, divide it by two and set margin-top to minus that.
08:24	Wombert	uuuuh
08:24	Wombert	didn't I do that? :p
08:24	Wombert	hence margin-top:-100px
08:25	horros	but I distinctively remember seeing something a lot more clever yesterday.
08:25	Wombert	or do you mean you don'twant it that way?
08:25	Wombert	OH?
08:25	Wombert	REALLY SIR?
08:25	horros	and yeah, I know how to do it that way :)
08:25	Wombert	SO MY SOLUTION IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU?
08:25	Wombert	:>
08:25	horros	haha
08:25	horros	nossir, I need variable height blocks :)
08:25	Wombert	http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/css/css-vertical-center-solution.html
08:25	Wombert	zere, sir
08:25	impl	Are you high?
08:26	Wombert	SIR, NO, SIR
08:26	impl	Too many army movies?
08:26	impl	:P
08:26	Wombert	NO SIR CERTAINLY NOT SIR
08:26	Wombert	YES SIR TWO HUNDRED PUSH-UPS SIR RIGHT AWAY SIR
08:26	impl	Lucy in the skyyyyy with diamondssss
08:26	Wombert	peppermint patty called lucy "sir" all the time
08:26	horros	Wombert: but that also depends on having the height of the parent element.
08:27	Wombert	do you read peanuts strips, impl?
08:27	Wombert	I'm sure horros knows and loves thenm
08:27	Wombert	them
08:27	horros	I think I'll do it with some js calculations :)
08:27	impl	I have
08:27	impl	Not on a daily basis
08:27	horros	Wombert: I most certainly do not like them Peanuts strip.
08:27	horros	s
08:27	impl	Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds: LSD
08:27	horros	in fact; they are teh sux
08:27	Wombert	horros: WHAT THE FUCK
08:27	impl	INSULT!
08:27	Wombert	omg a kingdom for channel op privileges
08:27	Wombert	I would SO ban you right now
08:28	horros	hahah
08:28	horros	C&H > Peanuts^10000
08:28	impl	I agree with that ^
08:28	impl	But Calvin and Hobbes is off the scale of awesomeness
08:28	horros	This is true.
08:28	Wombert	I read that one the other day, hilarious, where snoopy decides that he will have himself elected patriarch of his family in the next "election" (haha) and then realizes that he may only cast one vote
08:29	horros	umm... "haha"?
08:29	horros	:/
08:29	Wombert	goan, horros :(
08:29	impl	smeg!
08:29	Wombert	wasn't it "smee"?
08:30	horros	Smeg off you smegging smeg of a smeghead!
08:30	Wombert	http://sf1000.registeredsite.com/~user840306/people/page068.htm
08:30	horros	Red Dwarf <3
08:30	impl	I think it's smeg
08:30	Wombert	;)
08:31	Wombert	and: http://www.forgetfoo.com/?blogid=7527
08:31	Wombert	very awesome
08:43	v-dogg	huomenta
08:51	horros	~/ she went away for the holiday, said she's going to L.A, but she never got there, she never got there, she never got there they saaaayyy ~/
08:51	horros	~/ THE KKK TOOK MY BABY AWAAYYYY ~/
08:51	horros	lalala
08:51	impl	that song is teh pwns
08:52	v-dogg	wtf is that :D
08:52	horros	v-dogg: Ramones :)
08:53	impl	THE KKK TOOK MY BABY AWAY
08:53	horros	yay
08:53	impl	THEY TOOK HER AWAY
08:53	impl	AWAY FROM MEEE
08:53	horros	Ramones - Cretin hop
08:53	impl	headbangs
08:53	horros	<3
08:53	horros	onetwothreefour cretins wanna hop some more!
08:53	horros	\o/
09:02	Wombert	btw
09:03	Wombert	do we want $lm->log() to accept a string as first arg?
09:03	v-dogg	and it would use the default logger and hmm.. what level?
09:03	v-dogg	INFO?
09:04	Wombert	oh
09:04	Wombert	hmm
09:04	Wombert	didn't think of that
09:04	Wombert	well we could make that configurable
09:04	Wombert	a) default logger class
09:04	Wombert	b) default logger level
09:04	v-dogg	I think INFO is the default for AgMessage now
09:04	Wombert	sorry, message I mean
09:04	Wombert	and you could call $tm->createMessage() to get an instance of that
09:04	impl	I don't see what's wrong with taking a LoggerMessage
09:05	Wombert	hm yeah that's true
09:05	Wombert	$lm->log(new AgaviLoggerMessage('hello')) isn't too bad
09:05	Wombert	what about
09:05	Wombert	$lm->log($tm->createMessage('hello'));
09:05	Wombert	$lm I mean
09:08	v-dogg	are there any benefits?
09:09	Wombert	yeah you could configure the message class to use for that
09:09	Wombert	and the logger level
09:10	Wombert	so you'd get MyCustomLoggerMessage with AgaviLogger::DEBUG
09:10	Wombert	not sure if that makes any sense, guys
09:10	Wombert	I never used logging
09:10	Wombert	first time I do it now to debug caching in the execution filter
09:10	Wombert	so I don't have any clue at all and listen to your advice
09:10	Wombert	if you think it's not necessary, and it probably isn't, well then we don't do it :)
09:11	impl	I like the idea of a LoggerMessage more than a string
09:11	horros	Wombert: wouldn't it make more sense to just have $lm->log('foo'); and have the logger manager doohickey figure stuff out and do $msg = new MyFooBarUltraCoolLoggerMessage($msg_we_passed_lm_log); ?
09:11	impl	so my vote is to leave it alone
09:12	Wombert	horros: that's what I suggested but the thing is the logging level
09:12	horros	Wombert: easier/faster to write and all that.
09:12	Wombert	horros: yeah I wanted that too but then you cannot supply a logging level
09:13	horros	hmm.
09:13	v-dogg	but if you could use both AgaviMessage and string
09:13	impl	ermm
09:13	impl	what about this
09:13	impl	$lm->log('foo', INFO);
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09:13	horros	Wombert: how do you pass the log level if you do log($lm->createMessagE()) ?
09:13	Wombert	A logger with the name default does not exist
09:13	Wombert	uuuuh?
09:14	impl	lol
09:14	impl	Now you've done it!
09:14	Wombert	wtf wtf wtf :<
09:14	v-dogg	AgaviMessage can now handle arrays as messages as well as strings
09:14	Wombert	what have I done
09:14	v-dogg	and that's good
09:14	Wombert	!?!!?
09:14	v-dogg	we could make a shortcut $lm->log(string) but I'd like to keep the current way too
09:15	Wombert	horros: craeteMessage() is a suggestion too
09:15	Wombert	recap
09:15	Wombert	$m = new AgaviLoggerMessage('hello there', AgaviLogger::WARN);
09:15	Wombert	$lm->log($m);
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09:16	Wombert	my first suggestion was to have $lm->createMessage() that creates a message instance, by default with class AgaviLoggerMessage and AgaviLogger::INFO, but that could be configurable
09:16	Wombert	the idea was that if you extend LoggerMessage, you don't have to change all your code
09:16	Wombert	anyway
09:16	Wombert	I don't like the idea of overloading $lm->log() or anything
09:17	Wombert	we could make it so that if you pass a string, it'll use the above method to figure out a class and the level
09:17	Arme[N]	morning
09:17	Wombert	wouldn't want to have hard-coded defaults for that
09:17	Wombert	hi Arme[N]
09:17	impl	Wombert: I never really cared much for things like LM::createMessage() as it seems like it's too tightly coupling things
09:18	Wombert	impl: explain that
09:18	impl	You're saying, I'm going to make LoggerMessage part of the foundation of this class no matter what and you should make LoggerMessages using my method that I've defined here
09:19	impl	Well, you're not saying that
09:19	impl	but it's what people will infer
09:19	v-dogg	no no no, createMessage would create a message object of your choice
09:19	Wombert	precisely
09:19	impl	Isn't that going way out of the way?
09:19	Wombert	you would be able to configure the name of the class
09:19	Wombert	and of coure
09:19	impl	Why not say new SomeLoggerMessage()?
09:19	Wombert	course
09:19	Wombert	you could still create new LoggerMessage
09:19	impl	It's the same thing, and without all the weird configuration
09:19	Wombert	nope!
09:19	Wombert	for instance
09:19	Wombert	in debug mode, you could have ExtendedLoggerMessage
09:20	Wombert	well nobody would probably ever need that but still...
09:20	v-dogg	heh :)
09:20	impl	Seems to me like you could stick that in the code when you're debugging then :P
09:20	Wombert	or you could have different defaults for production or... whatever
09:20	Wombert	impl: not really
09:20	Wombert	$m = new AgaviLoggerMessage(); always creates that
09:21	Wombert	if you do $lm->createMessage();
09:21	Wombert	it will create AgaviLoggerMessage in all environments except testing, where it would create a MyLoggerMessage
09:21	Wombert	it certainly is an ultra stupid example
09:21	impl	How about a LoggerMessageMan...okay, nevermind, I'm blowing this way out of proportion :P
09:21	Wombert	because you could do all that by configuring appenders and layouts, I assume
09:22	impl	mmm
09:23	Wombert	uuuh so you _have_ to have a logger called "default", wtf?
09:23	Wombert	I shall change that right away
09:23	impl	Is that an M3 artifact?
09:24	Wombert	probably
09:24	horros	speaking of which
09:24	horros	is mojavi completely dead and buried now?
09:24	Wombert	yeah
09:24	horros	too bad :I
09:24	impl	I don't see it coming back ever
09:24	Wombert	why
09:25	impl	M2 was great though, still the best PHP4 framework around
09:25	horros	Wombert: no particular readon. much like saying "too bad" when they stopped producing the T-Ford.
09:25	horros	reason*
09:26	Wombert	;)
09:26	impl	Were there any other forks of M3 besides Agavi and Symfony?
09:27	Wombert	$defaultLogger = $cfg->loggers->getAttribute('default_logger', $defaultLogger);
09:27	Wombert	AHA!
09:31	Wombert	my GOD this is broken
09:31	Wombert	xDD
09:31	Wombert	who wrote that
09:32	v-dogg	bob?
09:32	Wombert	mmmh nah
09:32	v-dogg	impl: you're looking for alternatives?-)
09:32	v-dogg	wanna change into something better?
09:32	impl	Naw, I'm just curious
09:32	Wombert	Logger "default" is configured as default, but does not exist.
09:33	Wombert	better
09:33	Wombert	impl: I don't know of any
09:33		Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Agavi 0.11 RC 1 released :: THERE IS NO BETTER :: www.agavi.org :: http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ if you want to use SVN :: Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness :: We're looking for documentation contributors and developers :: http://trac.agavi.org/milestone/0.11 :: anonymous ticket posting possible again :: irc logs http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/
09:33	horros	hahah
09:34	impl	haha
09:35	CIA-11	david * r1432 /branches/0.11/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed default logger stuff, closes #371
09:35	Wombert	oh bollocks
09:35	Wombert	kicks himself
09:38	CIA-11	david * r1433 /branches/0.11/samples/app/config/logging.xml: oopsie... refs #371
09:41	Wombert	Warning: fopen(/Users/dzuelke/Sites/_projects/agavi/branches/0.11/samples/app/log/debug-2006-12-15.log) [function.fopen]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /Users/dzuelke/Sites/_projects/agavi/branches/0.11/src/logging/AgaviFileLoggerAppender.class.php on line 72
09:41	Wombert	howly shite
09:42	horros	I love discussions that are going like this:
09:42	horros	<boss> Client XYZ can't log in to the app!
09:42	horros	<me> That's interesting.
09:42	Wombert	"yes he can"
09:42	Wombert	"no he can't"
09:42	horros	...minutes pass...
09:42	Wombert	"ye he can"
09:42	Wombert	"shut up"
09:42	horros	<boss> aren't you going to fix it?
09:42	horros	<me> how?
09:42	horros	:)
09:42	Wombert	haha
09:42	horros	I'm not psychic after all :)
09:44	impl	Do you ever call your bosses smegheads?
09:45	horros	I just name him Boss because he's the CEO
09:45	horros	I own just as much of the company as he does
09:45	impl	ohk
09:45	horros	so in all honesty, I don't really have a boss.
09:45	impl	You should fire him
09:45	Wombert	which means you can call him smeghead!
09:45	Wombert	:>
09:45	Wombert	btw you had a lot of work lately, horros?
09:45	impl	gives classic nForbes advice
09:46	Wombert	or could you just not be bothered to come here ;)
09:46	horros	Wombert: way more than what's healty :(
09:46	Wombert	is it any better now?
09:46	horros	a bit, got the final commits on 2.0.4 done yesterday, so now it's mostly testing and cosmetic stuff before we release it
09:46	horros	LOL
09:47	Wombert	that's good
09:47	impl	Are you still using 0.10 or have you ported it to 0.11?
09:47	horros	the client mentioned earlier sent an email to Boss. "We are moving to the program. But we cannot log in. The server can't find your application. Thanks."
09:47	horros	hahahah
09:47	horros	I've no idea wtf they're on about :D
09:48	horros	delegates to guy who did the delivery/install/schooling
09:48	Wombert	"hello customer support? yes, my coffee machine doesn't work, it is not plugged in, I mean seriously, what the fuck?"
09:48	horros	impl: I'm on something that's halfway between 0.10 and 0.11 plus some of my own little tweaks here and there.
09:49	Arme[N]	lol
09:49	horros	Wombert: we actually had that happen too
09:49	horros	Wombert: they called and said ZOMG IT'S NOT WORKING!
09:50	horros	turned out they'd unplugged the switch in order to use a shredder :(
09:52	Wombert	R O F L
09:53	horros	Wombert: oh, riddle me this
09:53	horros	if you have four series of three numbers, separated by dots, and all three numbers must be filled in; like so
09:53	horros	nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn
09:53	horros	how do you specify 1 there?
09:54	impl	1?
09:54	horros	numbers can be between 0-9
09:54	impl	1 what?
09:54	horros	impl: all three numbers must be filled in in all of the three series
09:54	horros	impl: ie, you can't have n.nnn.nn.nnn
09:54	impl	(\d{3}\.){3}\.\d{3}
09:54	impl	?
09:55	impl	umph
09:55	impl	remove that last \.
09:55	Wombert	yeah
09:55	Wombert	err
09:55	horros	I am not talking about regexp.
09:55	Wombert	was that a regex question?
09:55	impl	Oh
09:55	horros	I'm still talking customer support.
09:55	impl	:\
09:55	Wombert	number formatting?
09:55	Wombert	aaaah
09:55	Wombert	000.000.000.001
09:55	horros	exactly.
09:56	Wombert	horros: what did you expect
09:56	horros	I had to friggen DRIVE 200KM because she couldn't understand that
09:56	Wombert	these are sales people
09:56	Wombert	or accountants
09:56	horros	Wombert: no no no, end user.
09:56	Wombert	or other useless idiots
09:56	horros	well, yes.
09:56	Wombert	ah _really_ end user?
09:56	horros	yes.
09:56	horros	I had to drive there, go through setting the IP-address/gateway of the box via the front panel...
09:57	horros	she'd used 100 where she was supposed to use 001
09:57	Wombert	my god
09:57	horros	and I told her to double-triple-quarduple check the addresses while I was on the phone with her
09:57	horros	I even told her to read me back the numbers, and she said onetwothree-dot-blabla-dot-blabla-dot-one
09:57	horros	sigh
09:57	Wombert	haha
09:58	horros	ciggy time, brb
10:04	CIA-11	david * r1434 /branches/0.11/src/logging/AgaviFileLoggerAppender.class.php: prevent warning when file cannot be opened
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10:20	splatch	hello
10:20	Wombert	hi
10:20	Wombert	I'm writing a TimestampLoggerLayour, should it use date or strftime?
10:21	horros	Wombert: I'd go for date :)
10:21	horros	Wombert: ooh, ooh, I learned something cool about strtotime() the other day
10:21	horros	hold on...
10:22	horros	// strtotime('2006W37') for the timestamp of Monday,
10:22	horros	// week 37, 2006.
10:22	horros	// strtotime('2006W377'); for the timestamp of Sunday
10:22	horros	// (week day seven), week 37, 2006
10:22	horros	fancy, eh?-)
10:22	Wombert	nice
10:23	horros	made my calendar module coding a lot easier :)
10:23	Wombert	now if it wouldn't suck as much the possibilities would be endless
10:23	Wombert	agavi's calendar stuff does that, too, btw
10:23	Wombert	(I think)
10:23	horros	agavi has calendar stuff?
10:23	Wombert	uh
10:23	horros	I thought it was a framework?
10:23	Wombert	yes
10:23	horros	ducks and runs
10:23	horros	:D
10:23	Wombert	:p
10:23	Wombert	we have full i18n now
10:24	horros	so I hear :)
10:24	Wombert	$tm->_d(time()) will get you date and time, with finnish month and day names
10:24	horros	nice :)
10:24	Wombert	(if the locale is set to fi*)
10:24	Wombert	you can format numbers and dates
10:24	Wombert	and currencies
10:24	horros	does it use gettext?
10:24	Wombert	override everything
10:24	horros	or some selfmade doohickey?
10:24	Wombert	you can use gettext for translation
10:24	Wombert	you mean locales?
10:24	Wombert	system locales?
10:24	Wombert	nope
10:25	horros	right-o
10:25	Wombert	they aren't always available, inconsistent and not thread safe
10:25	horros	aye
10:25	Wombert	we use the unicode common locale data repository
10:25	Wombert	which means
10:25	Wombert	$tm->getCountries() will get you a list of countries
10:25	horros	in short: system locales suck.
10:25	Wombert	in finnish
10:25	horros	:)
10:25	Wombert	or farsi
10:25	Wombert	or lithuanian
10:25	Wombert	or whatever you want
10:25	Wombert	sorry, $locale->getCountries()
10:25	horros	Once we get our "for Networks" version done, I need to start looking at porting to 0.11
10:26	horros	AND figure out a good way to get all the clients updated
10:26	horros	hmm. I think I'll have to do some weirdo "runthisscriptonthenextboot" thing that copies over new files before the http server starts... :I
10:28	Wombert	horros: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/translation/data/locales/fi.xml
10:28	Wombert	and http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/translation/data/locales/fi_FI.xml for finnish stuff (with currency format as used in finland
10:29	Wombert	<measurementSystemName type="US" draft="unconfirmed">amerikkalainen</measurementSystemName>
10:29	Wombert	<measurementSystemName type="metric">metrinen</measurementSystemName>
10:29	Wombert	ahahah
10:29	Wombert	<3 finland
10:29	Wombert	metrinen
10:29	Wombert	everything is -inen
10:29	Wombert	hakkinen
10:30	Wombert	makinen
10:30	Wombert	oooh
10:30	v-dogg	:p
10:30	Wombert	hugs horros
10:30	Wombert	hugs v-dogg
10:30	horros	hehe
10:31	horros	hmm, that i18n stuff looks nice :)
10:34		Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Agavi 0.11 RC 1 released :: THERE IS NO BETTER :: IT _IS_ NICE! :: www.agavi.org :: http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ if you want to use SVN :: Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness :: We're looking for documentation contributors and developers :: http://trac.agavi.org/milestone/0.11 :: anonymous ticket posting possible again :: irc logs http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/
10:39		Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: latest: 0.11 RC 1 :: www.agavi.org :: http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ if you want to use SVN :: Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness :: We're looking for documentation contributors and developers :: http://trac.agavi.org/milestone/0.11 :: irc logs http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/
10:41	digitarald	Morning fellows ... Houmenta ;)
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10:49	CIA-11	david * r1435 /branches/0.11/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): added AgaviTimestampLoggerLayout, closes #372
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10:58	Wombert	[Fri Dec 15 08:58:04 2006] Caching enabled, configuration file found, loading...
10:58	Wombert	[Fri Dec 15 08:58:04 2006] Current action and request method are configured for caching, proceeding...
10:58	Wombert	[Fri Dec 15 08:58:04 2006] Fetched groups "index", "en_US", "Index_Default"
10:58	Wombert	[Fri Dec 15 08:58:04 2006] Action not cached, executing...
10:58	Wombert	[Fri Dec 15 08:58:04 2006] Returned View is cleared for caching, proceeding...
10:58	Wombert	[Fri Dec 15 08:58:04 2006] View is not cached, executing...
10:58	Wombert	[Fri Dec 15 08:58:07 2006] Writing Action cache...
10:58	Wombert	[Fri Dec 15 08:58:07 2006] Writing View cache...
10:58	Wombert	<3
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11:09	v-dogg	awesomeness
11:10	Wombert	it caches the response already, so if I set a cookie... with a lifetime, remember, because we rock... oh my god this is so sweet
11:10	Wombert	I just love how that all comes together
11:10	Wombert	I don't even have to do anything special for this
11:10	Wombert	I just export() the response, that's all
11:10	Wombert	oooooh <3
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11:24	horros	haha
11:24	horros	boss threw me a link to a computer store, with a small laser printer
11:24	horros	"want that? take advantage of my temporary insanity!"
11:24	horros	:)
11:24	Wombert	heh
11:30	horros	hahaha
11:30	horros	we have the weirdest customers.
11:30	horros	one called and said they want to buy our app/services, but their internal network is still not quite ready. but they wanted to pay before newyears...
11:31	horros	is confused
11:31	Wombert	oO
11:31	horros	so... they pay now, delivery is in january.
11:31	horros	:O
11:31	horros	weirdos
11:32	horros	I suppose it's some tax-thing or the other :)
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12:16	v-dogg	horros: they want the invoice to this years accounting
12:17	v-dogg	standard procedure
12:17	horros	yes, to reduce this years profits in order to pay less taxes.
12:18	v-dogg	or because this years budget still has money to spend
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17:18	Whisller	:)
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17:53	Arme[N]	:) (pong)
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18:01	digitarald	poing
18:37	Arme[N]	v-dogg: what was your favorit docbook editor?
18:39	firman	Arme[N], XMLmind XML Editor
18:39	Arme[N]	firman: thanks :)
18:39	firman	he told me about it few days ago
18:40	digitarald	they tell everybody XMLmind ;)
18:41	firman	yep, seems no good free xml editor than it
18:59	firman	nite all
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19:24	Wombert	http://www.cool-clip.de/content/1801.html
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21:48	digitarald	anybody here?
21:48	digitarald	has translationmanager support for cm/inch metrics ;)
21:49	Wombert	NO
21:49	Wombert	no
21:51	digitarald	OH oh
21:51	digitarald	... i'll add it ;)
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09:38	raidman	morning
10:13	foresth	ahoy
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11:01	firman	where's template plugins would be looks up?
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12:31	digitarald	Wombert, should gen not encode the routing::gen parameters? I have umlaute in them and they are not encoded ...
12:32	Wombert	I remember an issue there
12:32	Wombert	it was a bit complicated to do because I cannot encode everything
12:33	Wombert	gotta look into it again
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18:09	Wombert	welcome to agavi, forda
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18:22	foresth	hi :)
18:22	digitarald	hi
18:23	digitarald	foresth: already using agavi or just wanted some facts?
18:23	foresth	already studying..
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18:24	digitarald	nice, just step through the sample app and u will love it ;)
18:31	Wombert	ah
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19:37	JamieWolf	Good Evening everybody
19:37	foresth	ahoy
19:39	JamieWolf	foresth do U know if the Info on http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/PropelIntegration are still usable?
19:40	JamieWolf	or is there some new stuff, howto use propel in agavi?
19:40	digitarald	JamieWolf, new way ;)
19:40	digitarald	do u use propel 1.2 or 1.3?
19:40	JamieWolf	1.2
19:41	digitarald	ok, 1.3 has an autoload feature, but is very unstable. 1.2 is better
19:41	digitarald	its easy to use propel with agavi ...
19:41	JamieWolf	really?`
19:41	Wombert	yeah
19:42	Wombert	works like this:
19:42	Wombert	a) configure the database by pointing to the runtime-conf.php file
19:42	Wombert	b) add all your files to autoload.xml
19:42	Wombert	c) $book = new Book(); works, without having to load and init propel first
19:42	digitarald	<database name="pstock" class="AgaviPropelDatabase"><parameters><parameter name="config">%core.app_dir%/config/propel.cfg.php</parameter>
19:42	Wombert	if you use propel 1.3, it's not necessary to add the files to autoload
19:43	digitarald	Wombert, do u use propel 1.3?
19:43	Wombert	nah
19:44	JamieWolf	Wombert, I'm still using 1.2. But I don't care adding all the files ;)
19:44	JamieWolf	so lets see if I can get it working
19:45	Wombert	JamieWolf: remember that you need to add the folder where your om classes folder resides must be on the include path
19:46	Wombert	e.g. if your package name is "bookstore", and you put it into proj/app/lib/
19:46	Wombert	lib/ must be added to include path
19:47	JamieWolf	btw. is there a way to autogenerate the Classes with agavi?
19:48	Wombert	propel you mean?
19:48	JamieWolf	yes
19:48	Wombert	or actions and such?
19:48	Wombert	uuuuh why would you need that? :)
19:48	Wombert	I mean... propel does it already
19:48	JamieWolf	Cuz' I'm lazy ;)
19:49	JamieWolf	all right
19:49	Wombert	yeah but you would still have to define it!?
19:49	Wombert	btw, agavi 1.0 will ship with extended propel builders you can use to get access to the context from inside peers and objects
19:49	Wombert	this will make the integration with agavi a lot nicer
19:50	JamieWolf	I just remembered it for a project where i used symfony. There you needed to define the layout and then just run a command
19:50	JamieWolf	doesn't like symfony though
19:50	Wombert	you mean the database layout?
19:50	JamieWolf	yes
19:50	Wombert	this is called "scaffolding"
19:51	Wombert	it generates a CRUD (create, retrieve, update, delete) interface for you
19:51	Wombert	I don't like this approach
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19:51	Wombert	because it gets you going quickly, but the time you save has to be spent later when begin to customize things
19:51	Wombert	same with RoR
19:51	Wombert	you get to 95% of the roadmap in a couple of days, and then you spend weeks on fine-tuning
19:52	Wombert	at least if you're a perfectionist ;)
19:52	JamieWolf	true ...
19:52	JamieWolf	but I'm ... thats the Problem.
20:06	Arme[N]	Wombert: what you think about doctrine? and do you have any plan for it, too?
20:22	Wombert	I don't like doctrine and active record in general because I think it's utter nonsense to build the database layout in the rdbms AND in your code
20:22	Wombert	also, the doctrine developer put up a page soon after launch that compared doctrine to propel
20:22	Wombert	that was supposed to show which is better
20:23	Wombert	in the list, there were many features propel actually had, but he said it hadn't
20:23	Wombert	so he is a lame idiot in my eyes no matter how good his product is
20:23	Wombert	which makes his product kinda lame, too
20:23	Wombert	I have to say I didn't look at it much since, though
20:23	Wombert	and yes, 1.0 will have doctrine integration if any such integration is necessary
20:25	Wombert	http://www.phpbbserver.com/phpdoctrine/viewtopic.php?t=54&mforum=phpdoctrine
20:26	Wombert	also, active record might be nice and convenient to do with python or rails
20:26	Wombert	but not with php
20:26	Wombert	it doesn't have the syntactic capabilities
20:26	Wombert	http://www.phpdoctrine.com/documentation.php?index=1.5 I find this awfully verbose
20:28	Wombert	also... having to set relations etc
20:28	Wombert	this just sucks sooooo much
20:28	Wombert	like RoR
20:28	Wombert	where it doesn't even make use of foreign key constraints...
20:28	Wombert	that's just soooooo lame
20:29	Wombert	http://www.phpdoctrine.com/documentation.php?index=13.1
20:29	Wombert	seriously
20:29	Wombert	this is hopeless
20:31	JamieWolf	Is there somewhere an example how the runtime-conf.php has to look like? Or is it equal the the runtime-conf.xml here: http://propel.phpdb.org/trac/wiki/Users/Documentation/1.2/QuickStart
20:31	Wombert	JamieWolf: propel will generate it for you
20:33	JamieWolf	all right
20:34	Arme[N]	Wombert: thanks for complet description, I trust you as I know who you are :), I'll take a look at doctrain becuase we have a projec with lots of MDB2 codes and I dont know reall propel is better or doctrain in my opinion, put now propel has a +1 :), then mey be integriation of doctrine with agavi will be usefull :)
20:34	Arme[N]	but*
20:35	Wombert	the thing is
20:35	Wombert	it's differnet philosophies, really
20:35	Wombert	in propel, you describe your database in xml, and it generates the code for you
20:35	Wombert	in doctrine, you describe the database in your php code, and it generates the database for you
20:39	Arme[N]	thanks again for attention Wombie :)
20:40	Wombert	of course
20:40	Wombert	if you have any questions, let me know
20:40	Arme[N]	okey
20:40	Wombert	being a propel developer, I obviously prefer propel, so you maybe should ask someone not biased to get an independent opinion :)
20:43	Arme[N]	heh, no I trust you... you are really good developer, as I can see what you done in Agavi
20:43	Arme[N]	v-dogg and kaos are too
20:44	Wombert	:)
20:44	Wombert	thank you
20:44	Arme[N]	ah, you are welcome but it is true...
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11:54	v-dogg	huomenta
11:57	ttj	Huomen.
11:58	foresth	nazdar
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12:13	raidman	huomenta
12:24	Wombert	houmenta
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12:30	Wombert	y0y0y0
12:30	Wombert	v-dogg?
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13:09	v-dogg	Wombert:
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13:12	Wombert	we have a great plan
13:12	Wombert	we use phpdocumentor to generate xml
13:12	Wombert	and then we transform that to docbook
13:13	Wombert	a) we can use docbook code in descriptions for code samples etc
13:13	Wombert	b) the api docs look like the rest of the manuals
13:13	Wombert	c) we can eaaaasily link from and to the api docs
13:13	Wombert	whatdoyouthinkmate? :)
13:18	Wombert	pokes v-dogg
13:21	v-dogg	ooohhh.... fucking idiot web-hosting company!!
13:21	v-dogg	f f f f f
13:21	v-dogg	uuuuuuck
13:21	v-dogg	goes bananas
13:21	v-dogg	they just went and dropped PDO/SQLite support from PHP
13:22	Wombert	yeah
13:22	Wombert	sure
13:22	v-dogg	and broke three apps of mine
13:22	Wombert	so their basic packages without mysql cannot use databases without paying
13:22	Wombert	call them and yell at them big time
13:22	Wombert	and I mean really yell at them
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13:23	Wombert	do you finns ever yellÂ anyway? :)
13:23	Wombert	I never saw hakkinen or raikkonen angry, but then, they might not be representative
13:23	v-dogg	I will because, although I have mysql in my package, I have talked to them about sqlite and they said they have it
13:24	Wombert	<3 finland and the weirdos that live there
13:24	Wombert	hugs v-dogg
13:24	Wombert	:)
13:24	v-dogg	:)
13:24	Wombert	it was probably just an oversight
13:24	Wombert	btw I tried to look up "houmenta" just for kicks on fi.wikipedia.org
13:24	Wombert	wasn't found but
13:24	Wombert	I had to laugh anyway
13:24	v-dogg	huomenta
13:24	Wombert	the words are all soooo long
13:25	Wombert	oooh?
13:25	Wombert	oooh!
13:25	v-dogg	it's not there still :)
13:25	Wombert	http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huomenta_Suomi
13:25	Wombert	I understand this!
13:26	Wombert	a show on MTV3
13:26	Wombert	mmmh
13:26	Wombert	airs since 1989
13:26	Wombert	whatever joulukuuta is
13:26	Wombert	and from 6.25 to 8.35 and uhm
13:26	Wombert	on weekends 7.00 to 9.05?
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13:26	v-dogg	joulukuu = december
13:27	Wombert	just figured that out :)
13:27	Wombert	is that breakfast tv?
13:27	v-dogg	7am-9.05am in the summer time
13:27	Wombert	like "guten morgen deutschland"
13:27	Wombert	ah
13:27	Wombert	okay
13:27	v-dogg	yeah
13:28	Wombert	oh wait we don't have "guten morgen deutschland"
13:28	Wombert	:<
13:28	Wombert	but I don't have time to watch TV in the mornings anyway
13:28	v-dogg	maybe you could buy Huomenta Suomi and dub it :p
13:28	Wombert	all I ever watch is news in the evening
13:28	Wombert	sometimes king of queens
13:28	Wombert	that would be SO AWESOME
13:28	Wombert	haha
13:28	Wombert	but to make it really funny
13:29	Wombert	we'd have to use veeery long words all the time
13:29	v-dogg	heh
13:29	Wombert	with many is and us and os in it
13:29	Wombert	I must come to finland one day
13:29	Wombert	would I get along with speaking english?
13:29	Wombert	or is that difficult
13:30	v-dogg	you would
13:30	v-dogg	some weirdos even speak German
13:30	v-dogg	like my missus :)
13:30	Wombert	woot?
13:30	Wombert	she does?
13:30	Wombert	oO
13:30	v-dogg	and horros
13:30	v-dogg	I think
13:31	Wombert	haha yeah he tries at least
13:31	Wombert	but he was quite good last time we practised
13:31	Wombert	seems all these cases confused him
13:32	Wombert	I always thought finnish had more of them than german
13:32	v-dogg	I took French the last two year in elementary school but don't remember _anything_ anymore :)
13:32	Wombert	at least hungarian does, and while the languages are by no means alike, they share the same roots iirc
13:32	Wombert	how many cases do you have?
13:32	Wombert	I used t ohate french but now I think it's an awesome language
13:33	Wombert	I gotta improve it some day
13:33	v-dogg	I'm not sure how one should count the cases in Finnish
13:33	Wombert	4812?
13:33	Wombert	xD
13:33	v-dogg	heh :)
13:33	Wombert	oO
13:33	v-dogg	dunno
13:33	Wombert	"without the house"
13:34	Wombert	"as the house"
13:34	Wombert	"into a house"
13:34	v-dogg	but I have to start revising math not
13:34	v-dogg	now
13:34	Wombert	oooookay
13:34	Wombert	do that
13:34	Wombert	after that, remember, it's mcgyver time
13:34	v-dogg	i really really really have to pass the exam tomorrow :)
13:34	Wombert	eww
13:34	Wombert	okay no mcgyver today
13:34	v-dogg	no
13:34	v-dogg	laters
13:34	Wombert	I wish you a lof of success
13:35	Wombert	and luck, should you need any
13:35	Wombert	you're a winner ;)
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17:32	v-dogg	puuuh...
17:33	Wombert	stay strong
17:33	v-dogg	:)
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19:09	digitarald	Wombert, u use that X-JSON header in prototype, do u just put true/false/numbers in it or sometimes more data?
19:10	Wombert	headers are limited to around 4k in IE
19:10	Wombert	I usually put flags in it or the number of results (-1 being an error or so) etc
19:11	digitarald	i wanted to put validation result in it, incorrect fields when posting forms via ajax. they are not even 500b
19:13	digitarald	but i think i will put it in a <script> tag in the response-content, there i have more place
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19:15	v-dogg	hm... how does json request-response work? why do you have to put data into headers? (excuse my ignorance :)
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19:17	Wombert	v-dogg: you return json in the response body
19:17	Wombert	however, prototype has a special feature
19:17	Wombert	where you return xml or html in the body
19:17	Wombert	and json in a header
19:18	Wombert	the json is automatically evaled for you and given to the event handler (onSuccess) as another argument
19:18	v-dogg	ah, ok
19:18	v-dogg	that seems like a handy feature
19:19	Wombert	it is
19:19	Wombert	lets say you have that live search thingie
19:19	Wombert	and you return either the html for a list of results
19:19	Wombert	or an error html fragment
19:19	Wombert	the json header can be used to indicate which it is
19:20	v-dogg	yeah
19:20	Wombert	of course, you could also return json that has the flag and, as another value, the html you can insert
19:20	Wombert	but that is not as convenient
19:20	Wombert	because prototype has that ajax.updater thing where it inserts the html automatically
19:20	Wombert	and you'd use the json to set a class on the container or whatever
19:35	digitarald	mootools the same, works very nice. is that x-json header standard in rails?
19:36	Wombert	well I guess rails uses it for some stuff since prototype introduced it
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01:36	Wombert	impl: impl
01:37	impl	Hmmh?
01:37	Wombert	yo dude
01:37	Wombert	need thy help
01:37	impl	Afternoon
01:37	impl	is transcribing an essay
01:37	Wombert	night already over here :>
01:37	Wombert	do you have a minute?
01:37	impl	I will at about 7:15, if you can wait that long
01:37	Wombert	what time is it now
01:37	impl	6:37
01:38	Wombert	mmh wanted to go to bed
01:38	Wombert	well we'll talk tomorrow then or so :)
01:38	impl	Alright, sounds good.
01:38	impl	(Sorry, I really have to get this done)
01:38	Wombert	and if I don't go to bed
01:38	Wombert	I'll ping you in 35 mins
01:38	Wombert	sure man
01:39	Wombert	no problem :)
01:39	impl	:D
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13:49	horros	whatthe...
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13:58	horros	gah
13:58	horros	stupid "buy this stock" -spams!
13:58	horros	I R DROWNING!
14:22	Wombert	oooh bustedtees.com has free shipping again
14:22	Wombert	<3
14:39	horros	this is odd
14:40	horros	CachingExecutionFilter shows fuckall speed improvment :I
14:40	horros	well, ok, it does. ~0.2 seconds
14:40	Wombert	eh
14:40	Wombert	which caching execution filter? :D
14:40	horros	of a page that takes 1.5-1.7 seconds to generate
14:40	horros	Wombert: I wasn't aware there were many of them :)
14:40	Wombert	didn't I remove it before RC1?
14:40	Wombert	there is none, that's the thing ;)
14:40	horros	I don't use 0.11 :)
14:41	Wombert	I'm working on adding caching functions to ExecutionFilter right now
14:41	Wombert	it will be in RC2
14:41	Wombert	CEF became non-functional or broken in june or july, I guess
14:41	horros	I haven't updated in ages.
14:42	Wombert	that's a shame
14:42	horros	Indeed, but I judged getting the application OUT was more important than cool features in the framework :D
14:43	horros	Once we have things more stable I'll have to look into 0.11 (or version 7 that it'll be at that time), and how to get the clients upgraded to it
14:43	Wombert	app rewrite ^^
14:43	horros	that's not the part that troubles me.
14:43	horros	it's the whole "getting the clients upgraded" that has me worried.
14:44	horros	I suppose I have to do some script that runs on boot that nukes the old installation and copies over the new files
14:45	horros	oh well, that's a problem for the future
14:45	horros	far, distant future.
14:45	horros	about the time the sun dies.
14:45	horros	:)
14:45	horros	I think there must be some odd stat -problems on windows :I
14:46	horros	scratches head and wanders off to make coffee and to smoke
14:47	horros	DER KAFFEE MACHEN UND ZU RAUCHEN!
14:47	horros	or something
14:47	Wombert	-DER
14:47	horros	OK!
14:47	horros	:)
14:47	Wombert	GERMANS WRITE IN UPPERCASE ONLY
14:47	Wombert	BECAUSE THEY SHOUT ALL THE TIME
14:47	Wombert	JAWOHL
14:47	Wombert	AND THEN THEY INVADE POLAND
14:47	horros	hahaha :D
14:47	Wombert	YES YOU DID!
14:48	horros	HAHAHA! LOOK AT ZE TOMMIES! ZHEY HAF MADE A KAR OUT OF SPIT UNT KLEENEX!
14:48	Wombert	haha
14:48	horros	why can't TopGear come back already? :((
14:48	Wombert	that was ze east germans tho
14:48	Wombert	january 28!
14:49	horros	!
14:49	Wombert	and on 22nd they'll show the hamster's crash
14:49	horros	!
14:51	horros	AIEE! BLÖDE SPAM! ICH BIN ÜBERSCHWEMMT!
14:54	Wombert	:>>>>
14:56	horros	I haven't practiced my german for ages :)
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16:47	Whisller	hello
16:57	Wombert	hi
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17:04	Whisller	i'have a problem(next) with validator(i think :/). I have fields bodyDe, bodyEn and bodyPl, but field bodyEn is'nt sent. In executeWrite - ->getParameters don't retund this field. But when this field name is hmm for example "dupa", "kurwa" etc this working good. Here is form and validator, if someone can help me i be glad http://phpfi.com/185830
17:05	Whisller	*grateful
17:09	Whisller	strange thing.
17:09	Wombert	look at line 233
17:09	Wombert	the validator name there is bodyEn
17:09	Wombert	again
17:09	Wombert	so that overwrites the previous bodyEn validator
17:09	Wombert	which means the field is never validated, so it's not available
17:09	Wombert	BUT
17:09	Wombert	you're doing it the wrong way I think
17:10	Wombert	why not
17:10	Wombert	body[de], body[en] and so on?
17:10	Wombert	and then validate that with a base
17:10	Wombert	<validator class="string" name="body" required="false">
17:11	Wombert	<arguments base="body">
17:11	Wombert	<argument></argument>
17:11	Wombert	</arguments>
17:11	Wombert	</validator>
17:11	Wombert	I think that's how it works
17:11	Wombert	digitarald: is that correct?
17:11	Whisller	o yes two field with this same name :/
17:11	Whisller	thanks very mutch :)
17:11	Wombert	no, the validators had the same name!
17:11	Whisller	yes yes
17:11	Wombert	but still, you should consider re-designing that
17:11	Wombert	bodyEn, bodyPl etc is nonsense
17:11	Whisller	in validator name?
17:12	Wombert	for everything
17:12	Wombert	field names, validators, etc
17:12	Wombert	look
17:12	Wombert	if you want to add another language
17:12	Wombert	you have to add new validators
17:12	Whisller	yes
17:12	Wombert	instead, you can use arrays
17:12	Wombert	body[de] and so on
17:13	Whisller	good idea. array('languages'=>added languages) ?
17:13	Whisller	*languages = array();
17:13	Whisller	hmm
17:13	Wombert	no
17:13	Wombert	sighs
17:14	Wombert	create a test form with foo[de], foo[en] and foo[pl] and submit that
17:14	Wombert	this arrives as body => array('de' => ..., 'en' => ..., 'pl' => ...)
17:15	Whisller	ok
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17:19	Whisller	it work.
17:19	Whisller	thanks for everything.
17:20	Wombert	sure
17:20	Wombert	let me know if you have any questions
17:20	Wombert	or trouble setting up the validators for that
17:20	Wombert	do you see the advantage of this approach?
17:20	Wombert	btw you have a lot of labels, but no id attributes in the form fields...
17:21	Whisller	yes your idea is beater.
17:22	Whisller	ehh my knowledge is bad :/
17:23	Whisller	about labels. this forms is only for test. so it is'nt for users :)
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18:00	Whisller	in validator class=number don't work with base, or i do something wrong.
18:05	digitarald	what do u try, pastebin it
18:05	Wombert	aaah, digitarald to the rescue :)
18:07	digitarald	sometimes i know some answers, not only the questions ;)
18:07	Whisller	http://phpfi.com/185849
18:08	Whisller	3 examples
18:09	Whisller	for fields like name="showBody[xx]"
18:10	digitarald	mmmhh ... showBody is an array, not a number
18:11	Whisller	hmm
18:11	Whisller	heh
18:11	Wombert	<argument name="min">0</argument>
18:12	Wombert	errr what's that
18:12	Wombert	oO
18:12	Whisller	tfu
18:12	Whisller	my fall
18:12	Whisller	*fool
18:12	Whisller	foll
18:12	Whisller	:/
18:13	digitarald	fault ;)
18:13	Whisller	exactly :(
18:14	Wombert	so
18:14	Wombert	how does that work?
18:14	Wombert	I thought the first example is correct?
18:14	kaos-	nope
18:15	Wombert	oh you're awake :)
18:15	kaos-	its showBody[]
18:15	kaos-	as base
18:15	Wombert	I was about to call you for help
18:15	kaos-	:)
18:15	Wombert	and empty argument?
18:15	kaos-	yes
18:15	Wombert	and argument "3" would be showBody[3]
18:15	Wombert	?
18:15	kaos-	i _think_ so
18:15	Wombert	oO
18:15	kaos-	lemme check
18:15	Wombert	that's weird!?
18:15	kaos-	yes
18:15	kaos-	indeed ;)
18:16	kaos-	thats why i need to check
18:18	kaos-	throws a large pillow at kaos-
18:18	kaos-	No directory defined for rotating logging.
18:18	kaos-	could you test the sample app next time before commiting pls ?`
18:18	kaos-	kthx ;>
18:20	Wombert	ehm
18:20	Wombert	you sure?
18:20	Wombert	use_logging is off in settings.xml
18:21	Wombert	might be your local copy
18:21	kaos-	eh
18:21	kaos-	yeah
18:21	kaos-	then logging.xml
18:22	kaos-	is broken
18:22	kaos-	;p
18:22	kaos-	<appender name="ErrorLogAppender" class="AgaviRotatingFileLoggerAppender" layout="PassthruLayout">
18:22	kaos-	parameter = file ...
18:22	kaos-	yeah ;D
18:22	Wombert	yeah it is but that's okay
18:23	kaos-	btw
18:23	kaos-	base foo[] arg 1
18:23	kaos-	will match foo[x][1]
18:23	kaos-	and base foo arg 1
18:23	kaos-	will match foo[1]
18:23	kaos-	so no wildcard here
18:24	Wombert	and base foo[] arg empty?
18:24	Wombert	is wrong? :p
18:24	kaos-	no
18:25	kaos-	will match foo[x]
18:25	Wombert	ponders
18:25	Wombert	we should change that then, shouldn't we?
18:25	Wombert	because it's pretty inconsistent
18:25	kaos-	aha
18:26	kaos-	and to WHAT
18:26	Wombert	let me think
18:26	kaos-	and if anyone offers himself for rewriting those parts then
18:26	kaos-	go ahead
18:26	Wombert	if base foo arg 1 matches foo[1]... base foo arg empty should match any foo
18:26	Wombert	I'll have a look
18:26	kaos-	no
18:27	kaos-	this simply wont work
18:27	kaos-	trust me
18:27	kaos-	.
18:28	kaos-	you need to specify where the validation needs to handle wildcards
18:29	kaos-	everything else is just plain guessing which will never be right all the time
18:29	Wombert	I was thinking that <argument /> would mean wildcard
18:29	kaos-	and doing base="foo" arg="" is nonsense
18:29	Wombert	and everything else taken literally
18:29	kaos-	yes
18:29	Wombert	yeah
18:29	kaos-	and htf would you do foo[x][1][y] then ?
18:30	Wombert	<arguments base="foo[][1]">
18:30	Wombert	<argument />
18:30	Wombert	?
18:30	kaos-	lol
18:30	kaos-	no
18:30	kaos-	you wont be able to redo the code to support that
18:30	kaos-	w/o rewriting the ENTIRE flow of the executeinbase
18:30	kaos-	etc
18:31	Wombert	as I said, I'll have a look
18:31	Wombert	I guess the current approach isn't really flawed, but might still confuse new users
18:31	Wombert	because for wildcards, the base isn't the base, you know what I mean?
18:32	kaos-	it is
18:32	Wombert	<arguments base="foo">
18:32	Wombert	<argument>bar
18:32	Wombert	will match foo[bar]
18:32	kaos-	yes
18:32	Whisller	hmm
18:32	Wombert	<arguments base="foo[]">
18:32	Wombert	<argument></argument>
18:32	Wombert	will match foo[whatever]
18:33	kaos-	this can be written as base="foo[bar]" with empty arg
18:33	kaos-	its simple really
18:33	Wombert	yeah, and that is flawed imo, because while it works, it defeats the whole point of a "base"
18:33	kaos-	if we have an argument
18:33	digitarald	how can i get the current currency?
18:33	Wombert	yeah, yeah, right, but you should never be able to work WITH the base, just ON TOP of it
18:33	kaos-	it will be added to every possible base
18:33	Wombert	digitarald: name? symbol?
18:34	kaos-	Wombert: YOU CANT WORK ON TOP OF THE BASE
18:34	kaos-	how often do i need to explain that ?
18:34	kaos-	check the frigging code
18:34	digitarald	name or symbol
18:34	kaos-	and stfu, really, thanks
18:35	kaos-	$locale->getLocaleCurrency
18:35	digitarald	thx kaos-
19:03	Whisller	is posible check a variable to isn't empty ?
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19:17	RossC0	hi all
19:21	digitarald	Whissler: validator class="isset"
19:22	Whisller	digitarald, but in action?
19:22	Whisller	*not ?
19:22	digitarald	$parameters->hasParameter('myVar')
19:22	digitarald	or $parameters->getParameter('var') == ''
19:23	digitarald	depends on your validation settings
19:24	Whisller	ehh you have a right :/ today i'm...heh ;)
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19:25	Whisller	maybe I must rest...2 weeks ;)
19:27	digitarald	with skiing or on a beach ... maybe ... if u have the time :P
19:28	Whisller	good idea, now we have so hot winter. Sea will be good :]
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19:28	digitarald	where are u from that u have a hot winter?
19:29	Whisller	poland.
19:29	Whisller	last winter we had -30 now is +17, +4...
19:29	digitarald	ah, ok ... i'm a german, living in spain
19:29	digitarald	;) we have a hot winter, too ... have to go now, cya later :)
19:29	Whisller	:)
19:30	Whisller	cya
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22:43	impl	Wombert: Around?
22:54	Wombert	yes impl
22:55	impl	Still need help with that stuff from last night?
22:56	impl	I got in later than I thought :\ sorry
23:00	Wombert	heh
23:00	Wombert	no problem
23:01	Wombert	http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/
23:01	Wombert	kaos- and I think the naming of some "parts" or classes is a bit inconsistent
23:01	Wombert	e.g. "logging" vs "validation"
23:01	Wombert	err... validator
23:02	Wombert	and it's "ValidatorManager", but really should be "ValidationManager", shouldn't it?
23:03	Wombert	I'm asking you because you're the only native speaker around which means you're the only person to actually know Jack Schitt
23:03	Wombert	:)
23:05	impl	Well
23:06	impl	A validation manager is something that handles the process of validation
23:06	impl	a validator manager is something that handles multiple validator classes
23:06	impl	Take your pick
23:08	impl	I mean, I think both could work
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23:18	Wombert	validation manager indeed handles validation, not only validators
23:19	impl	So yeah, maybe ValidationManager would be a better name
23:19	Wombert	but also, should it be "routing" or "router" for that folder name
23:19	impl	well
23:19	Wombert	and shouldn't it be "LoggingManager" instead of "LoggerManager"
23:19	Wombert	etc etc
23:19	impl	This sounds like you should wait until 2.0 to change this stuff
23:20	impl	But you should decide now whether you want to go with a singular noun form (-er, -or), or a name that describes the process itself (-ing, -tion)
23:21	kaos-	yeah, but how would you describe action ?
23:21	kaos-	actioning ? xD
23:21	impl	uum
23:21	Wombert	ac-tion
23:21	impl	Good question :P
23:21	Wombert	:p
23:21	impl	Oh, interesting
23:21	impl	so the other form would be an 'actor'
23:22	Wombert	who does ac-ting
23:22	Wombert	:>
23:22	impl	yes ;p
23:22	kaos-	omg, lets just use german words like Achtung!
23:23	Wombert	good idea
23:23	Wombert	"Achtung"
23:23	Wombert	"Jawoll"
23:23	Wombert	"Blitzkrieg"
23:23	impl	wtf
23:23	Wombert	haha
23:23	kaos-	"Kindergarten"
23:23	impl	Frankfurter!
23:24	Wombert	there are better german words in english than kindergarten
23:24	Wombert	hinterland
23:24	Wombert	or schadenfreude
23:24	Wombert	or politbuero
23:24	Wombert	or... angst!
23:24	Wombert	angst > fear
23:24	kaos-	politbuero roxx :>
23:24	impl	:s
23:24	impl	I don't know these words, except angst
23:24	kaos-	evil word ^^
23:25	kaos-	well, back to topic ^^ describing the process wont work in all cases
23:25	kaos-	database for example
23:25	Wombert	delicatessen!
23:25	Wombert	doppelganger...
23:26	Wombert	or rucksack
23:26	Wombert	zeitgeist
23:27	impl	English is a LEECH LANGUAGE
23:27	kaos-	maybe we should simply get rid of these dirs where we can't describe the process ?
23:27	Wombert	throw it away!
23:27	Wombert	:>
23:27	impl	Where do we put the files then?
23:27	kaos-	well, action is a perfect example
23:27	kaos-	src/
23:27	kaos-	its part of the base package
23:27	Wombert	I guess impl is right, we should worry about that later
23:28	impl	action should probably technically be part of controller
23:28	Wombert	except validator/ => validation/ now and ValidationManager
23:28	kaos-	yes
23:28	Wombert	imo
23:28	kaos-	and any suggestion about translation ?
23:28	Wombert	isn't that fine?
23:28	kaos-	or leave that ?
23:28	impl	TranslationManager
23:28	impl	looks good to me
23:28	Wombert	I think he means the term in general
23:28	kaos-	yeah
23:28	kaos-	since its not only translation
23:29	Wombert	translation vs internationalization vs localization
23:29	impl	oh
23:29	kaos-	actually one class really doesn't belong there
23:29	kaos-	the AgaviLocale
23:29	impl	That should probably be what, core?
23:29	Wombert	nah nah
23:29	Wombert	we should keep all i18n related stuff in one place
23:29	kaos-	well, its already 2 places ;)
23:29	kaos-	since i use the locale in the date stuff
23:30	kaos-	thats my reasoning behind that
23:30	impl	okay, how about branching it then
23:30	kaos-	i actually use the the tm there too ^^
23:30	Wombert	move it all to "translation"
23:30	Wombert	it's all related anyway so...
23:30	kaos-	translation/calendar ?!
23:30	impl	translation -> Translators, TranslationManager; internationalization -> locale, formatter stuff?
23:31	Wombert	we can rename it i18n for all I care
23:31	impl	What about i10n!?
23:31	impl	ARE YOU NEGLECTING STANDARDS AGAIN SIR
23:31	impl	er, l10n rather
23:32	Wombert	"The distinction between internationalization and localization is subtle but important. Internationalization is the adaptation of products for potential use virtually everywhere, while localization is the addition of special features for use in a specific locale. The processes are complementary, and must be combined to lead to the objective of a system that works globally."
23:32	kaos-	so its i10n
23:32	Wombert	so it would be i18n I guess
23:32	kaos-	:D
23:32	impl	no, localization is L10n
23:32	kaos-	interisation
23:32	kaos-	i10n
23:32	kaos-	;p
23:33	impl	I think it's an L
23:33	kaos-	yes
23:33	kaos-	i was making fun
23:33	impl	or are you trying to make them into one thing
23:33	kaos-	combining i18n and L10n
23:33	kaos-	;)
23:33	impl	* world explodes
23:34	Wombert	l10n makes no sense
23:34	Wombert	people will use the i18n features of agavi to localize their apps
23:34	impl	l[ocalizatio]n
23:34	Wombert	therefor, we have i18n, not l10n
23:34	impl	Both notions are sometimes collectively termed globalization (g11n)
23:35	impl	If we call it g11n, nobody will know what we're talking about
23:35	impl	but it looks like giin
23:35	kaos-	well, or we just leave it as it is, don't introduce some more major bc breaks and branch 2.0 right after 1.0
23:35	impl	so maybe people will think we're drunk
23:35	Wombert	gin is, actually, pretty uber
23:37	impl	So the general consensus is to leave it alone for now?
23:38	Wombert	we could move all date stuff into translation
23:38	Wombert	and rename that internationalization
23:38	Wombert	AgaviInternationalizationManager
23:38	Wombert	holy shit
23:38	Wombert	238 characters
23:38	Wombert	or so
23:39	impl	I like Localization better than Internationalization
23:39	impl	then AgaviLocale sounds right
23:39	Wombert	but it's wrong
23:39	impl	No, it's right :\
23:39	Wombert	nooo!
23:39	Wombert	:<
23:39	impl	Software localization is a process of translating software user interfaces from one language to another and adapting it to suit a foreign culture.
23:39	Wombert	people will localize their software using the i18n tools we offer
23:39	Wombert	yes exactly
23:39	Wombert	but our stuff doesn't do that
23:39	Wombert	it helps you with l10n
23:39	Wombert	you use our i18n to achieve l10n
23:40	Wombert	right?
23:40	impl	I don't know D:
23:44	Wombert	ttj: snow in finland!?
23:46	ttj	Well, a little.
23:55	digitarald\|brb	Wombert: snow in munich?
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23:55	Wombert	this morning, for like ten minutes
23:55	Wombert	melting right away
23:55	Wombert	still got my fingers crossed for shitloads of snow before christmas
23:56	Wombert	christmas just ain't christmas without snow
23:57	ttj	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V4ECyQIjPU&mode=related&search= <-- I wanna take up equestrianism. :P
23:57	ttj	Still wouldn't take a Rolex even if my life depended on it, but the sport seems cool. :P
23:57	ttj	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3F8pv2marE&mode=related&search=
23:58	Wombert	that's true, rolex suck
23:58	ttj	But their commercials are cool, you have to admit that.
23:58	ttj	Sure, they're a bit of a cliche, but.
23:59	Wombert	like their watches, the ads are a bit much
23:59	Wombert	I think
23:59	ttj	Yeah. I'd rather have an Omega or an IWC.
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00:01	Wombert	I like Tag Heuers for the name
00:01	impl	has a, um, Timex :P
00:02	Wombert	I need a new watch
00:02	impl	Digital or analog?
00:02	Wombert	my last one was a fossil but it sucks and it is broken
00:02	Wombert	analog
00:02	Wombert	digital watches are for children, my friend
00:02	Wombert	;)
00:02	impl	I like my digital watch :P
00:02	kaos-	unless they are oled powered :p
00:03	Wombert	www.candino.com I'll get myself one of these for birthday ;)
00:03	impl	I use it to time my timed writings in English (it has a chrono-timer-thing built in)
00:03	impl	useful
00:03	ttj	impl: I believe you should get castrated for liking digital watches.
00:04	ttj	Analog watches are the only way to go. And they should preferrably be mechanical.
00:04	impl	Castration is a bit ... severe, don't you think?
00:04	ttj	Liking digital watches is a bit sever, don't you think? ;-)
00:04	ttj	+e
00:04	impl	No :P
00:04	ttj	Well, my analog watch also has chronograph features. No need for a digital watch.
00:05	Wombert	plus
00:05	kaos-	i never leave my home, so i'm happy with computer watch xD
00:05	Wombert	with an analog watch
00:05	Wombert	you can determine the orientation ;)
00:06	kaos-	Wombert tied me to my pc
00:06	kaos-	so i have to work for agavi 24/7
00:06	Wombert	I did, it's true
00:06	kaos-	:D
00:06	Wombert	but he still doesn't
00:06	Wombert	haha
00:06	Wombert	I wonder what the next stage is
00:06	Wombert	glue his fingers to the keyboard maybe
00:06	Wombert	oh I spoiled it
00:06	Wombert	damn
00:06	Wombert	hugs kaos-
00:06	kaos-	nooo, not that glue again :s
00:07	kaos-	took me 3 months to feel my fingers again the last time you did that
00:07	impl	That's not glue...
00:07	impl	runs
00:07	kaos-	:DD
00:22	ttj	FFS! Now I have watch fever again.
00:22	Wombert	eh
00:22	Wombert	what?
00:22	ttj	wants an Omega Seamaster Professional 300M Chrono Diver (2225.80.00)
00:22	ttj	I don't even dare ask the price. :P
00:22	Wombert	if you have to ask, you can't afford it ;)
00:23	ttj	I know. :P
00:24	ttj	Or actually I think that if I reallyreallyreally wanted it, I could scrape the money together. But that would set me back by enough that I wouldn't be able to sleep well at night. :-)
00:27	ttj	Interesting little fact: watches are always pictured showing 10:07.
00:27	ttj	For some odd psychological reason, that gives the illusion that it's actually running. Unlike if you'd just set it at 12:00.
00:29	Wombert	oO
00:29	Wombert	where did you read that
00:29	Wombert	or did you just make that upÃ
00:29	Wombert	DID YOU MAKE IT UP EH?
00:29	Wombert	TELL ME
00:29	Wombert	NOW
00:29	ttj	Nope.
00:29	Wombert	shakes ttj
00:30	ttj	I actually read that somewhere a while back.
00:30	Wombert	thanks tho
00:30	Wombert	I love knowledge like that
00:30	ttj	And just go surfing on Omega's or whatever's website and you'll notice that all the watches show ~10:07. :-)
00:31	Wombert	10:07:37 it seems
00:32	ttj	Well, the second hand varies a bit.
00:32	Wombert	some seem to be 10:08, too
00:33	ttj	Yeah, hence the ~. :-)
00:43	ttj	Haha, I figured it out. I'm going to set up my own Omega Fund. :P
00:43	Wombert	hrhr
00:43	ttj	I'll stash away some money every month and in a year or few, I'll buy one. :P
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09:10	splatch	yawn
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10:20	Wombert	houmenta
10:22	v-dogg	h_uo_menta :)
10:29	horros	huoment'
10:29	horros	tampereem murteell
10:30	horros	:)
10:41	v-dogg	uh... I'm a bit hangovery..
10:42	v-dogg	math exam after-parties are hard.. :)
10:42	v-dogg	missus was pleased :p
10:46	Wombert	v-dogg: you think you passed it?
10:46	Wombert	because if not, you wouldn't have deserved teh partying :)
10:46	Wombert	what does tampereem murteell mean and do you guys still have any snow
10:47	horros	Wombert: "tampereem murteell" == "Tampereen murteella" == the dialect spoken in Tampere where I live
10:48	horros	Wombert: and yeah, we got a whopping 1cm of snow yesterday
10:48	horros	:(
10:48	v-dogg	we got about 5 cm
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11:13	Wombert	ah damn it
11:13	Wombert	I always get it wrong#
11:14	Wombert	huomenta
11:14	Wombert	huomenta
11:14	Wombert	huomenta
11:14	Wombert	slap me whenever I say houmenta again please
11:17	horros	slaps APC
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11:20	Wombert	horros: what does it do
11:20	horros	well...
11:20	horros	nothing.
11:20	horros	that's the problem.
11:20	horros	With cache on, page generation takes 2.5 seconds on my box.
11:21	horros	without cache on...
11:21	horros	2.5 seconds.
11:21	horros	I think I'm having some weird problems on this box... stats seem to take ages, session_start took forever :I
11:21	horros	oh well
11:21	horros	it works well on the servers.
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12:13	Wombert	John McClane is back! http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/livefreeordiehard.html
12:14	digitarald	great
12:15	v-dogg	uhm... yeah, sure :)
12:17	Wombert	it's true!
12:17	Wombert	die hard 4
12:17	Wombert	oooooh man
12:17	Wombert	and these fockers release it on july 4
12:17	Wombert	zomg
12:17	Wombert	that's gonna be the best opening weekend ever, I'm sure
12:22	horros	friend of mine's band (rotten sound) released their last album 06.06.06 :)
12:22	horros	I like funny/witty release dates
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12:32	horros	I'ma rearrange my office a bit.
12:32	horros	bbl
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13:07	horros	hi
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13:26	Wombert	oooooh crap
13:26	Wombert	oooooh my god
13:26	Wombert	ffs
13:27	Wombert	or
13:27	Wombert	hmm
13:27	Wombert	mmmh maybe I can haxx0r it
13:30	Wombert	nope I can't
13:30	Wombert	crap
13:31	horros	hmmh?
13:31	Wombert	caching...
13:31	Wombert	I cannot implement caching of content without decorators
13:31	Wombert	or slots
13:31	Wombert	gotta change the renderers
13:31	Wombert	feck
13:31	horros	phew
13:31	horros	there we go
13:32	horros	also h4x0rs
13:32	horros	you know what I hate?
13:32	horros	date calculations.
13:32	Wombert	or maybe
13:32	horros	date ranges.
13:32	Wombert	like
13:32	Wombert	+1 month?
13:32	horros	dates at all. stupid dates.
13:32	horros	:(
13:32	Wombert	why don't you use Ã.11 :)
13:32	Wombert	0.11
13:32	Wombert	we have full calendar support
13:32	horros	Wombert: that wouldn't help me here, tbh.
13:32	Wombert	you can add dates, substract dates, roll around, format them according to locales etc
13:33	horros	this app has been so fubared
13:34	horros	it's weird how nobody has stumbled over this, since the app has been out and about for six months already.
13:34	Wombert	oO
13:34	horros	like... in order to place a restriction on a patient, they need to have certain types of custody support measures.
13:35	horros	you can set custody support measures to automatically start at a certain date, and you can also set restrictions to start at a certain date.
13:35	horros	certain restrictions cannot be used with certain custody support measures.
13:35	Wombert	and now you can make restrictions start without the supportmeasures in place before
13:35	Wombert	right? :)
13:36	horros	now, as it was, if you tried to set a restriction in the future that required measure A (which is automatically turned on at a certain date), but the current measure was B, it wouldn't allow you to set the restriction
13:36	horros	:)
14:17	v-dogg	uuuh...
14:17	v-dogg	I'm never going to drink again
14:17	v-dogg	this year
14:17	v-dogg	week
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14:24	Wombert	haha :>>>
14:24	Wombert	hugs v-dogg
14:39	v-dogg	it's inhuman to make people work after a bar night
14:39	v-dogg	there should be some law against it
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14:41	horros	I concur!
14:41	horros	damn
14:42	horros	it's nice to have eclipse extended over both screens, so one screen has only the editor and the other screen has the explorer/outline
14:43	Wombert	I have email, IRC and console logs on one screen, code and browser on the other
14:43	Wombert	I used to have code left output right but that just doesn't work with a laptop screen
14:43	horros	I need a third monitor for IRC/msn :)
14:51	digitarald	Wombert, do u have an applebook?
14:51	Wombert	eh
14:51	Wombert	you mean macbook?
14:53	Wombert	or an apple laptop?
14:53	Wombert	I have a powerbook
14:53	Wombert	(with PowerPC cpu, not intel)
14:53	Wombert	eremit_ has a Macbook Pro
14:53	Wombert	(I think)
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14:54	eremit	hey all ...
14:54	eremit	yeah ... i have
14:55	digitarald	think about buying a macbook, no pro in the new year ... to switch my workspace to mac
14:55	Wombert	co ig
14:55	Wombert	do it
14:55	Wombert	eremit will probably agree
14:55	Wombert	I've switched a couple of friends recently and none of them regrets it
14:55	Wombert	they're all amazed how you plug in a printer and it works, without drivers, restarts or stupid "new hardware detected" bubbles
14:56	Wombert	reason #1 for switching is that you get back control... a mac won't tell you what to do
14:56	eremit	yes i agree ... working got much more productive since my switch ;)
14:57	digitarald	;) 1200 is a good price for a macbook, i can buy additional ram 3th party
14:57	Wombert	reason #2 is that it is a unix, and you can run all software there is
14:57	Wombert	reason #3 is that it runs windows
14:57	digitarald	and now, after release of photoshop cs3 as universal binary ...
14:57	Wombert	even in paralell, if you buy parallels (but wait for version 3.0 and use bootcamp until then)
14:57	eremit	reason #4: for a webdeveloper is parallels coherent mode and the ability to test webpages even in ie
14:58	horros	luckily I never touch HTML :)
14:58	digitarald	okok ... who spends some money ;)
14:59	eremit	hrhr ...
14:59	eremit	but if you wait for approx 3 month i will sell my mb pro again :P
15:00	Wombert	oO really?
15:01	digitarald	3 month ... uh
15:01	eremit	yeah ... gonna get a bigger one :P
15:02	Wombert	bbl
15:13	horros	speaking of macs
15:13	horros	I love this video: http://www.lookatentertainment.com/v/v-1914.htm
15:25	horros	home time!
15:25	horros	adieu!
15:25	horros	&
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17:51	Whisller	czesc
17:51	Whisller	*hi
17:51	Whisller	;)
18:33	foresth	cest
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18:57	Wombert	horros: ping?
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00:43	Wombert	HOLY MOTHER OF GOD PLEASE LET IT BE TRUE http://duggmirror.com/television/LOST_Hiatus_To_be_Cut_Short/
00:46	Whisller	lost...is boring :)
00:46	Whisller	first edition was interisting
00:47	Whisller	*interesting
00:48	Whisller	you watch this serial?
00:49	Wombert	of coure
00:49	Wombert	course
00:49	Wombert	hey jake
00:50	Wombert	splatch: ping
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05:14	CIA-11	dominik * r1437 /branches/0.11/src/util/ (2 files): New method in the parameterholder to return a flat representation of the array keys
05:29	Fastly	anyone here know how to mount a windows shared folder from my laptop onto my ubuntu desktop/
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06:29	CIA-11	dominik * r1438 /branches/0.11/src/config/AgaviLoggingConfigHandler.class.php: guard against empty configuration blocks
06:56	CIA-11	dominik * r1439 /branches/0.11/tests2/sandbox2/config/tests/logging.xml: add missing default logger to logging test
08:15	v-dogg	huomenta
09:24	splatch	Wombert: pong ;)
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14:11	digitarald	agavi needs php 2.0, right?
14:11	Wombert	huomenta!
14:11	Wombert	:>
14:11	Wombert	got it right
14:11	v-dogg	php 2 ?-)
14:12	Wombert	haha
14:12	Wombert	pwned
14:12	Wombert	:>
14:12	v-dogg	no, php5.1 :)
14:12	v-dogg	Wombert: huomenta _o/
14:12	Wombert	hugs v-dogg
14:12	v-dogg	what's up
14:12	Wombert	how are you mate
14:12	Wombert	noooot much
14:12	v-dogg	fine thanks
14:12	Wombert	I am in a good mood, no idea why
14:12	Wombert	probably because I have all presents already
14:12	v-dogg	haha
14:12	Wombert	no last minute shopping
14:13	Wombert	even though I gotta buy the last one today
14:13	Wombert	anyway
14:13	Wombert	does anyone need an xbox 360
14:13	Wombert	I won one
14:13	Wombert	and I'm selling it
14:14	digitarald	sorry, ment 5.2
14:14	Wombert	5.1
14:14	Wombert	1.0 _might_ require 5.2
14:14	v-dogg	why is that?
14:15	Wombert	I don't know :)
14:15	Wombert	maybe there is some nice feature we could leverage
14:15	Wombert	who knows
14:15	digitarald	i have 5.1.1 ... i had in mind that it require 5.1.6?
14:16	Wombert	no, but 5.1.1 sucks a lot IIRC
14:16	Wombert	there might be some bugs in that version
14:17	v-dogg	5.1.x sucks IIRC
14:17	Wombert	yeah pretty much
14:25	v-dogg	but php6... oooh... why can't they correct all the stupid design choices they've made with all previous versions...
14:26	v-dogg	they have a perfect change to clean up this mess, but NO!!
14:27	v-dogg	b/c my ass, they could make people take php serious at last
14:27	v-dogg	but no...
14:27	Wombert	http://www.forgetfoo.com/images/blog/4eyes_2lips.jpg
14:37	v-dogg	that totally ruined my php angst :D
15:23	Wombert	we gotta rework the execution flow
15:23	Wombert	_now_
15:23	Wombert	I cannot access slots individually with the current approach
15:23	Wombert	need it for caching
15:23	Wombert	just not sure yet how to do it
15:23	Wombert	no huuuuge changes, just some smaller ones
15:23	Wombert	it would be good to have slots run without action stack entries... maybe... or not...
15:24	Wombert	maybe a solution that allows
15:24	Wombert	a) using slots inside the content template
15:24	Wombert	b) decorators inside decorators
15:25	Wombert	also, we could probably ditch the rendermode thing and allow it on an individual basis...
15:27	digitarald	yeah, new slot system ... please please please ;)
15:27	Wombert	...
15:27	Wombert	if you provide a rock solid proposal
15:27	v-dogg	... --- ...
15:27	Wombert	we could do it
15:27	Wombert	otherwise, we keep the current slots system
15:27	Wombert	it sucks ass but I can't think of something better right now
15:30	digitarald	like mojavi, but i know its not possible and u don't like it ;)
15:31	v-dogg	mojavi? how was it different?
15:31	v-dogg	m3?
15:31	v-dogg	or m2?
15:31	v-dogg	ie. action chains?
15:32	digitarald	m2, the chains
15:32	v-dogg	ok
15:32	digitarald	the hacky thing, could call it from everywhere
15:32	digitarald	very nice, i miss that in agavi ... would make my whole development easier and smaller
15:33	digitarald	puzzle the output with different actions
15:33	digitarald	one list-generating, another newslist, the accountview in another
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15:39	Wombert	and how do you do headers and footers?
15:40	Wombert	I'll be shopping now
15:40	Wombert	if you figure something out, let me know ;)
15:40	digitarald	:D, ok ... i'll do some meditation about it
15:40	Wombert	I'll start with the changes toight
15:40	Wombert	I also thought about sth like IndexSuccessView extends AgaviView implements AgaviIDecoratingView or so
15:41	Wombert	but I don't think that's doable
15:41	Wombert	anyway... gotta run, catch you alter
15:41	Wombert	later
15:46	digitarald	good luck during the xmas-shopping war ;)
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17:37	digitarald	Wombert or anybody with propel-in-agavi-knowledge?
17:38	kaos-	yes
17:39	kaos-	a little knowledge here at least ;)
17:39	kaos-	btw, i really really wish you all much fun with the new api for fetching errors from the validation manager
17:39	kaos-	it even confuses myself xD
17:40	digitarald	ok, propel in database.xml ... <parameter name="config">%core.app_dir%/config/propel.cfg.php</parameter>
17:40	digitarald	and second parameter ... <parameter name="datasource">pstock</parameter>
17:41	digitarald	he ignores that, i have 2 datasource-entries ... "development" and "production"
17:42	digitarald	do u have all your datasouces in one propel-conf.xml?
17:43	digitarald	fetching errors ... from validationmanager form now?
17:44	digitarald	form = from
17:54	kaos-	datasource
17:54	kaos-	uff
17:54	kaos-	we don't use that
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17:58	kaos-	and i don't even know whats the use of that g
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17:58	kaos-	i actually managed to keep all the request methods
17:59	kaos-	in a bc compatible way
17:59	digitarald	use generate runtime.cfg.php that u set in agavi databases.xml?
17:59	kaos-	yes
17:59	kaos-	we only have one runtime config tho
18:00	kaos-	(and one datasource)
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18:01	kaos-	<parameter name="datasource">pstock</parameter> <-- and your datasources are named development and production
18:02	kaos-	wouldn't the datasource need to be either development or production then ?
18:07	digitarald	renamed them, sorry, pstock = development
18:09	kaos-	from looking at the code it should work
18:10	digitarald	ok, i'll try again, renamed some stuff
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18:36	kaos-	and could it be that nobody EVER used the base attribute of the argument for non files? :D
18:36	kaos-	since this was like completely broken (it would remove the parameters from the request no matter if they were validated ^^)
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19:13	Wombert	digitarald: fetching the connection via getConnection will work
19:13	Wombert	but if you want propel to use that datasource
19:14	Wombert	you have to set use_as_default, too
19:14	Wombert	I think
19:14	Wombert	or
19:14	Wombert	nah
19:14	Wombert	doesn't matter
19:14	Wombert	I mean
19:14	Wombert	you can't control which datasource propel uses anyway
19:21	digitarald	but that parameter "datasource"?
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20:24	digitarald	Wombert, i can't have different datasources in my propel.cfg.php
20:24	digitarald	Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in C:\xampp\htdocs\pstock\www\lib\agavi\database\AgaviPropelDatabase.class.php on line 272
20:25	Wombert	foreach($config['propel']['datasources'][$datasource]['connection'] as $key => $value) {
20:26	Wombert	=> your datasource name is wrong
20:27	digitarald	argh saw that right now ... too late ;) ... another error now
20:27	digitarald	No connection params set for pstock in ...\propel\Propel.php on line 471
20:28	Wombert	fix your config :)
20:29	digitarald	do u have your propel configs for development, live, production stage etc. in one propel.cfg.php?
20:31	Wombert	no
20:31	Wombert	that wouldn't work I believe
20:32	Wombert	you cannot tell propel which datasource to use
20:32	Wombert	I think it figures it out by itself or something
20:33	digitarald	i think that too, then why this parameter "datasource" in databases.xml? :D
20:34	Wombert	for getConnection
20:44	digitarald	uh, i named my datasource "default", that can be a problem
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20:47	digitarald	i think i switch to propel 1.3
20:47	Whisller	hi
20:49	Whisller	Question: How i can do thing what do something like this: 1.) Execute Action 2.) Display view 3.) Waiting 5s. 4.) Forwarding to another action. I'll be glad if someone help me :)
20:50	digitarald	uh ... a success view
20:50	v-dogg	html meta refresh
20:50	v-dogg	that's a client side problem (waiting n secs)
20:51	digitarald	SuccessView that provides an url for a meta refresh and a template that uses the meta refresh AND a link for clicking
20:51	Whisller	hmm you've got a right :)
20:52	Whisller	bick problem with simple answer :)
20:52	Whisller	*big
20:52	Whisller	* "big" ;p
20:52	Whisller	thanks :)
20:54	digitarald	noprob
20:54	Whisller	o! Merry Christmas #agavi :]
20:55	Whisller	And happy New Year :)
20:56	Whisller	;p
20:59	Whisller	another question, why sometimes agavi add to url for example '?Agavi=76832a546b116fa293da8f42e3cf3b27', u using routing
20:59	Wombert	that is php, not agavi
21:00	Whisller	ok
21:00	Wombert	session.use_trans_sid
21:00	Whisller	o thanks:)
21:01	Wombert	if that is on, it'll use URLs for the first request and then switch to cookies if possible
21:01	Wombert	if you disable it, people must have cookies enabled
21:01	Wombert	you can also set sesison.use_only_cookies
21:02	Whisller	ok :) thanks
21:11	Whisller	i must talk with my admin
21:13	Wombert	...
21:13	Wombert	zomg
21:13	Wombert	come on
21:13	Wombert	it's not difficult
21:13	Wombert	session.use_trans_sid is PHP_INI_ALL
21:13	Whisller	but i dont have acces to php ini
21:13	Whisller	*access
21:14	Wombert	...
21:14	Wombert	PHP_INI_ALL means you can use ini_set
21:14	Whisller	o
21:15	Whisller	sorry :/
21:16	Wombert	no problem
21:16	Wombert	http://php.net/manual/en/ini.php hsa a list of all constants and their acccess levels
21:16	Whisller	ok :)
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21:22	digitarald	is there any reason why an exception which matches the catch() type is not catched???
21:23	digitarald	ah, xdebug.show_exception_trace
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01:41	Whisller	Hi, I'm looking a cheap server and i find ovh. Their proposition is interesting(in german language http://www.ovh.de/produits/start100m.xml on polish site is little other configuration ). What do you think?
01:41	Whisller	Price, I think is good.
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08:03	v-dogg	huomenta
08:16	ttj	Huomen.
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12:46	Whisller	good morning
12:49	digitarald	morning
13:00	codecop	hi
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13:53	v-dogg	damnit... there a bug in my app
13:53	v-dogg	never happened before
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13:58	v-dogg	wombiiii
13:58	v-dogg	help me
13:59	v-dogg	there's a bug in my app
13:59	v-dogg	I've never had one before, I don't know what to do :p
13:59	Wombert	oO
14:00	v-dogg	juuuuust kidding :)
14:00	v-dogg	I passed math \o/
14:01	v-dogg	dances the happy dance
14:05	digitarald	Congratulations v-dogg ... i completed math in the last semester :D
14:10	v-dogg	ty :)
14:10	Wombert	you passed?
14:10	Wombert	nice
14:10	Wombert	hugs v-dogg
14:10	Wombert	so you deserved the partying
14:11	v-dogg	uh... and now I totally broke the dev server :D
14:11	v-dogg	no, the production server
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14:41	v-dogg	wtf happened here...
14:42	v-dogg	my application does nothing anymore
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14:43	v-dogg	echo "foo"; exit; works if before dispatch() but if I put it anywhere else no content is returned to the browser
14:43	v-dogg	headers seem to be ok (cookies and everything are there)
14:43	v-dogg	error reporting is on
14:46	v-dogg	uhm.. I cleared cookies and everything works again...
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14:49	v-dogg	ah, my foobar'd logout method screw something up
14:49	v-dogg	*ed
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15:08	firman	humm, problem creating Savant renderer
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15:32	Wombert	firman: we can only support the "push" mode
15:33	Wombert	tbh I think savant is a pretty crappy template engine, it tries to do way too much that should be out of it's scope
15:37	firman	such as?
15:38	Wombert	this weird var binding mode there
15:38	Wombert	can't explain
15:38	Wombert	haven't looked at it in ages
15:38	Wombert	but you can assign a var like in smarty
15:38	firman	but the plugin still usefull
15:38	Wombert	andyou can pull stuff from inside the template, which sucks
15:39	splatch	hello
15:39	firman	yeah you right
15:39	Wombert	heyyyy splatch you're still alive
15:40	Wombert	I was wondering if you moved to the moon or something the other day
15:40	Wombert	because we haven't heard from you for so long :)
15:40	Wombert	how are you?
15:40	splatch	Wombert: i'm fine, but i haven't power to write
15:41	splatch	no internet at home
15:41	splatch	stress in work
15:41	splatch	only problems
15:41	Wombert	:(
15:41	splatch	Wombert: and you and Agavi? :)
15:42	splatch	wheen agavi will be faster?
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15:47	splatch	Wombert?
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16:56	splatch	Wombert, are you there?
17:10	Wombert	re
17:11	splatch	Wombert: you thought about performance?
17:13	Wombert	uuuh nah I was shopping and got myself something for lunch
17:16	ttj	Lunch?
17:16	ttj	I thought lunch was 5-6 hours ago... :-)
17:16	Wombert	:p
17:16	Wombert	in retarded time zones, yes xD
17:16	Wombert	hugs funland
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17:19	ttj	Yeah, that's what you get for hugging Funland.
17:20	v-dogg	haha
17:20	Wombert	oh bugger
17:20	Wombert	hugs finland
17:20	Wombert	:<
17:21	ttj	:D
17:21	Wombert	http://colloquy.info/project/ticket/728 did the rest
17:25	splatch	Wombert: irssi rox!
17:26	ttj	So it does.
17:26	splatch	btw Wombert, Darek found a new job!
17:26	splatch	they'll works for biggest internet messager company in poland
17:27	splatch	and he can be a designers chief
17:28	Wombert	aaah that reminds me
17:28	Wombert	I wanted to email him again :)
17:29	splatch	yes, Agavi's "soon" is the longest "soon" i ever seen
17:30	Wombert	yeah heh :)
17:30	Wombert	well he is very busy and all, it's no problem
17:30	Wombert	I'll just ping him again and ask him if he has time to do it after christmas or so
17:30	kaos-	<splatch> yes, Agavi's "soon" is the longest "soon" i ever seen <--- its nothing really ;D
17:31	Wombert	we even chose a logo font already, he just wanted to do some drafts so we could see if it really is the right choice
17:31	kaos-	you should see my soons sometimes ;)
17:31	Wombert	or mine
17:31	kaos-	yah, wombert can beat me easily there
17:31	Wombert	or duke nukem forever's :)
17:31	kaos-	"its ready tomorrow"
17:31	kaos-	gotta hear that 2 months every day
17:31	kaos-	:D
17:31	Wombert	psssht
17:31	kaos-	hides
17:32	Wombert	errr
17:32	Wombert	brb
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17:32	splatch	saw :)
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17:34	splatch	saw? :)
17:39	kaos-	still now snow :<
17:39	kaos-	its keeping to our soon rule
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00:14	Wombert	y000
00:14	Wombert	early notice to everyone
00:14	Wombert	I'll probably remove the action stack
00:14	Wombert	and make forward() calls return response instances
00:15	Wombert	that could possibly (not 100% sure yet) enable action chain style execution flow as mojavi2 had it
00:15	Wombert	what do you think, impl
00:17	impl	Is this for Agavi 2 or 1?
00:17	Wombert	0.11
00:17	impl	I'm not sure you should make such a drastic change for 0.11/1
00:17	Wombert	the current architecture doesn't permit caching slots or only content chunks anymore
00:18	Wombert	I have to change it one way or another
00:18	Wombert	and the entire action stack stuff is stupid anyway
00:18	impl	However, barring that wisdom, I've been a fan of actionchains for a while
00:18	impl	They work very nicely
00:18	Wombert	how did that work again in m2?
00:18	Wombert	e.g. how did you _prepend_ something to the current action for instance
00:18	Wombert	like a header or so
00:19	impl	Prepend? You couldn't, I don't think
00:19	Wombert	hm
00:19	impl	It acted like a standard method
00:19	impl	$chain = new ActionChain('actions', 'go', 'here');
00:19	impl	Anyway, I've gotta run
00:19	Wombert	errr
00:19	Wombert	okay
00:19	impl	I'll explain better when I get back
00:19	impl	I promise ;p
00:20	Wombert	kk
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00:20	Whisller	hi :)
00:20	Wombert	hi there
00:20	benny`work	Wombert, next week i've time again to look what you and the others did with agavi :)
00:20	benny`work	hi Whisller
00:20	Wombert	benny`work: need an xbox360?
00:20	benny`work	Wombert, err...no :)
00:22	benny`work	Wombert, bought too many for xmas? ;)
00:22	Wombert	I won one
00:22	benny`work	lol... -> ebay
00:23	Wombert	yes
00:23	Wombert	but
00:23	Wombert	I'm not sure
00:23	Wombert	three or seven days?
00:23	Wombert	would the prices DROP or RISE after christmas?
00:28	Whisller	today I wanna install slackware 11.0 :
00:28	Whisller	)
00:37	benny`work	Wombert, it's too late for christmas now...so, seven days...the people have money after christmas eve
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02:00		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: latest: 0.11 RC 1 :: www.agavi.org :: http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ if you want to use SVN :: Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness :: We're looking for documentation contributors and developers :: http://trac.agavi.org/milestone/0.11 :: irc logs http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/
02:00		Topic set by Wombert [] [Fri Dec 15 10:39:28 2006]
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02:13		Topic for #agavi: Welcome to Agavi :: latest: 0.11 RC 1 :: www.agavi.org :: http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ if you want to use SVN :: Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness :: We're looking for documentation contributors and developers :: http://trac.agavi.org/milestone/0.11 :: irc logs http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/
02:13		Topic set by Wombert [] [Fri Dec 15 10:39:28 2006]
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03:03	Wombert	heyyy agile
03:03	Wombert	'sup?
03:04	agile	yea toss AS. :) who needs all the stack hoohaw anyhow
03:04	Wombert	problem is
03:04	Wombert	I now cannot implement caching anymore
03:04	Wombert	due to various changes
03:04	Wombert	and the AS sucks
03:04	agile	you still have to write a class for every action?
03:04	Wombert	I want to use execution containers
03:04	Wombert	yep
03:04	Wombert	public function executeWrite() for POST, executeRead() for GET etc
03:05	agile	that irked me
03:05	Wombert	declaring a method indicates the actionserves that method
03:05	Wombert	you can now drop an xmlrpc interface onto an existing app
03:05	Wombert	without touching the actions
03:05	Wombert	nifty, eh
03:05	agile	I guess
03:05	Wombert	it is! :)
03:06	Wombert	one action, one view, for html, rss, pdf, whatever
03:06	Wombert	nicely separated
03:06	Wombert	plus teh routing... plus "sandboxed" actions where only validated params are available (if you want that) etc
03:06	Wombert	i18n
03:06	Wombert	we're pretty far along now
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03:34	impl	It's snoowwing on my desktop :-)
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03:44	Wombert	heh
03:47	Wombert	I think I figured it out, impl
03:47	impl	Ah, cool
03:51	Wombert	impl: http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/373
03:52	impl	So how does this play into the ExecutionFilter?
03:53	impl	EF creates ExecutionContainers?
03:54	impl	I think you need multiple ExecutionFilters though
03:54	Wombert	we have that already
03:54	Wombert	new instance for each forward()
03:54	Wombert	right now
03:54	Wombert	forward() creates a new action stack entry
03:55	Wombert	which executionfilter (and other stuff) later pulls out again by doing getLastEntry
03:55	Wombert	which sucks ass
03:55	impl	Yeah
03:55	Wombert	I want the execution flow (filters, action running etc) tied to the... well whatever it is
03:55	Wombert	is ExecutionContainer a good word?
03:55	Wombert	I wanted to use ExecutionContext first but that's ambiguous
03:55	impl	How about ExecutionContext?
03:56	impl	haha, bot.
03:56	Wombert	haha
03:56	impl	Execution...execution...
03:56	Wombert	the execution container is created... by the code that does a forward
03:57	impl	ExecutionManager?
03:57	Wombert	$response = $controller->forward(new AgaviExecutionContainer('Default', 'Index'));
03:57	Wombert	aaaah I forgot that
03:58	Wombert	updated
04:00	impl	* if all goes well, we can move decorating out of the renderer back into the view, thus allowing users to do things their way (e.g. use old-style action chaining)
04:00	impl	^ would be wonderful
04:00	impl	Then I can fix the god-awful hack decorating is in XslRenderer
04:00	Wombert	I haven't looked at it in detail
04:00	Wombert	but I _hope_ we can make it happen
04:01	Wombert	making renderers only render stuff, nothing else, would increase the probability that we can offer things other than decorators without having to break something
04:02	impl	Can we abstract rendering out of the view some by making View::setAttribute -> Renderer::setAttribute directly instead?
04:03	Wombert	right now. views don't do any rendering stuff at all
04:03	Wombert	the renderer grabs attributes from the view
04:03	impl	Oh, that seems bad to me
04:03	Wombert	how
04:03	impl	Shouldn't the Renderer be independent of the View?
04:03	Wombert	mmmmh
04:04	impl	I can't think of a good use case atm, but there must be an instance when you want to create a Renderer without having a view...
04:04	Wombert	well it needs to get the slots info from the view, for instance
04:04	impl	Yeah, but slots are dead now right? ;x
04:04	Wombert	(we would make that AgaviDecoratingView then)
04:04	Wombert	oooooooh dude
04:04	Wombert	if it really all works out as planned
04:04	impl	If we have ActionChains we don't need decorators
04:05	Wombert	this is gonna be awesome
04:05	Wombert	action chains suck, they really do
04:05	Wombert	they assemble the output, which is bad, because the execution order shouldn't really matter
04:05	Wombert	plus how do you _prepend_ something
04:05	Wombert	like a header or so
04:05	impl	So what do you propose?
04:05	Wombert	and if you want to move a box (which is an action) to another place, you have to change 47621 files
04:06	Wombert	I have no idea
04:06	Wombert	I don't think decorators are that bad
04:06	Wombert	I mean...
04:06	Wombert	the new system will likely allow
04:06	Wombert	a) using slots inside the content template, not only in the decorator template
04:06	impl	$renderer->setAttribute('box', new ActionChain('box')->getResult()->first);
04:06	Wombert	b) nested decorators
04:07	Wombert	yes but how is that different from setting a slot
04:07	Wombert	it will be run for you, too
04:08	impl	It's different from a slot because it's not part of the view itself
04:08	impl	It's abstracted out of it
04:08	Wombert	uuuh
04:08	Wombert	huh?
04:08	impl	I've never liked the idea of having View::setSlot()
04:09	impl	It seems so awkward for something that's really just another attribute
04:09	Wombert	setSlot will be run _after_ execute() finishes
04:09	Wombert	that's one of the key aspects of it
04:09	impl	Er, what for?
04:10	Wombert	for instance, with the above, you quickly hit the recursion limit
04:10	Wombert	nesting level too deep blah
04:10	impl	Only if box chains back to the current action
04:10	impl	that would be silly
04:10	Wombert	nah, if box chains to another action and so on
04:10	Wombert	each filter requires three(!) nested calls
04:11	impl	I don't think Agavi should account for programmer stupidity :P
04:11	Wombert	no, not stupidity
04:11	Wombert	but if each action produces, say, 20 nested methods
04:11	Wombert	you couldn't do many calls
04:11	Wombert	plus
04:11	Wombert	hm
04:11	impl	$sideOutput->register('side', 'Portfolio', 'CategorySide',
04:11	impl	array('id' => $request->getParameter('id')));
04:11	impl	$sideOutput->execute($controller, $request, $user);
04:11	impl	$renderer->setAttribute('side', $sideOutput->fetchResult('side'));
04:11	impl	$sideOutput is an ActionChain
04:12	impl	(this is M2)
04:12	Wombert	okay
04:12	Wombert	I _think_ we could allow
04:12	Wombert	$response = $ctl->forward(...)
04:12	Wombert	to emulate that
04:12	Wombert	even though it would work almost the same as slots
04:13	impl	I'm not sure why you want to use forward() for that
04:15	impl	I'm looking at this M2 stuff and I'm seeing the main use of Controller::forward() is to redirect an action without a view to another action
04:15	impl	e.g. action performs business logic (add record, whatever), returns user to list of contents
04:15	CIA-11	david * r1440 /branches/david-execution_flow/: Creating branch for execution flow remodeling
04:16	impl	But from what I've gathered from you guys is that forward() isn't a business logic thing
04:16	Wombert	yeah precisely
04:16	Wombert	because for the web interface, you want to return to the list (or to the added item)
04:16	Wombert	whereas for xmlrpc, you want to return a "success" status indicator
04:16	Wombert	etc
04:16	impl	right
04:16	Wombert	not so theoretical example: ajax
04:17	impl	shudders
04:17	impl	Okay ;p
04:17	Wombert	you'd return some json that contains the id of the new item
04:17	Wombert	which your client side code would take and use it to call and show the new item
04:17	impl	So there's a different view for each output type... right?
04:17	Wombert	nope
04:17	impl	:s
04:17	Wombert	executeHtml()
04:17	Wombert	executeJson()
04:17	Wombert	if you want
04:18	impl	ah
04:18	Wombert	or execute() that handles em all
04:18	impl	so in executeHtml() is where you'd do ->forward?
04:18	Wombert	well yeah you don't do that anymore
04:18	Wombert	you now return array('ModuleName', 'ActionName')
04:18	impl	mmm
04:18	Wombert	because then control flows back to dispatch() and THEN the next aciton is executed
04:19	Wombert	before, the forward() happened and AFTER that the calling template was rendered
04:19	Wombert	which sucked because it was in the wrong order
04:19	impl	So the view is coupled to forwarding through... return statements...
04:19	Wombert	and we couldn't allow forward() due to the respnse locking anyway
04:19	Wombert	yes, if the view returns this information, it'll be used for forwarding
04:19	Wombert	once filters have gone back to forward() etc
04:20	impl	I can't say I like that
04:20	Wombert	this is a lot cleaner in terms of execution order etc than plain forward() calls
04:22	Wombert	buuuuut
04:22	Wombert	I'll go to bed now :)
04:22	impl	Alright :P
04:22	Wombert	and start implementing that stuff tomorrow
04:23	impl	G'night then
04:23	impl	(I still think things are too tightly coupled, but I might be teh wrong)
04:23	CIA-11	dominik * r1441 /branches/0.11/src/util/AgaviVirtualArrayPath.class.php: add methods to check if an "array path" exists in an array
04:26	Wombert	impl: I appreciate your input
04:27	CIA-11	dominik * r1442 /branches/0.11/src/util/AgaviVirtualArrayPath.class.php: fix typo
04:27	impl	:)
04:27	Wombert	so don't be afraid to critizize etc
04:27	Wombert	you might be right, you might be wrong
04:27	Wombert	I'll code it tomorrow and then you can have a look at it and decide
04:27	impl	Sure
04:27	Wombert	it will be a definite improvement over the current situation
04:27	impl	:D
04:28	Wombert	whether or not it will satisfy your special demands is yet to be determined ;)
04:28	impl	I think I'm still living in Web 1.0 ;p
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07:23	Arme[N]	morning
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09:06	v-dogg	huomenta
09:06	luke`	hey v-dogg
09:08	v-dogg	hi, what's up
09:12	Arme[N]	it is very nice to see ticket number #373 :D
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10:04	v-dogg	yeah, that's going to be nice
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10:10	v-dogg	how do I delete a branch with tortoise svn?
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11:45	splatch	hello
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13:13	codecop	i downloaded simpletest, but how to use it to test modules
13:15	v-dogg	firstly, I recommend using phpunit (2 or 3)
13:15	v-dogg	test stubs created by agavi are still for simpletest but we don't use it anymore
13:15	v-dogg	agavi itself uses phpunit
13:20	codecop	ok moving to phpunit
13:21	luke`	v-dogg: so we can test projects with phpunit now?
13:22	v-dogg	no, there's no plug-and-play solution for custom projects
13:22	v-dogg	yet
13:22	luke`	is there a difficult way to do it? ;)
13:22	v-dogg	agavi framework uses phpunit for self-testing (development)
13:22	v-dogg	you can look how it's done now
13:23	v-dogg	it's not pretty, mind you :)
13:23	luke`	heh
13:36	codecop	what the main point of how to use phpunit in agavi?
13:38	codecop	i made pear phpunit 3.0 install
13:38	v-dogg	codecop: check out agavi/tests2/AllTests.php
13:38	v-dogg	that's about as much as I can help you with this, sorry :)
13:40	codecop	this is enough ;)
14:45	luke`	v-dogg: propel help needed ;)
14:49	v-dogg	I'm no expert but shoot :)
14:54	luke`	I need to get an sql statement like
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15:11	v-dogg	luke`: is that sentence going to continue or do you want 'where foo like ...'?
15:12	luke`	v-dogg: eeks
15:14	luke`	now better?
15:14	v-dogg	?
15:15	luke`	v-dogg: didn't you get my PM?
15:15	v-dogg	nope
15:15	v-dogg	have you registered your nick?
15:16	luke`	is now known as shoan
15:17	shoan	what about now?
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15:21	Wombert	holy SHIT
15:21	Wombert	I thought shoan was dead
15:21	Wombert	but he was here all the time
15:21	Wombert	in disguise
15:21	Wombert	named luke!
15:21	Wombert	oO
15:21	shoan	lol
15:22	Wombert	hugs shoan
15:22	Wombert	you okay mate? :>
15:22	shoan	i had a feeling that you didn't realize it was me
15:22	shoan	when you started talking to me like a stranger a few weeks ago
15:22	Wombert	haha
15:22	Wombert	:>
15:23	ttj	OMG, going to Turku. :o
15:23	shoan	hugs Wombert v-dogg
15:26	shoan	so whats going down in munich?
15:27	shoan	shakes v-dogg
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15:36	v-dogg	luke`: I'm sorry but I can't focus on your problem at the moment
15:36	v-dogg	our isp just fucked up our production server
15:37	v-dogg	and I need to sort this out before everyone leaves work for xmas
15:38	luke`	sure
15:45	v-dogg	wtf did they just do...
15:46	v-dogg	I wanted to upgrade our virtual server and they said it would be done in a few minutes and would require zero effort from me
15:47	v-dogg	_and_ nothing was supposed to change
15:47	v-dogg	well... it didn't go just like that apparently
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16:40	v-dogg	puuuuuuh....
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17:03	v-dogg	can anyone concur that apc 3.0 works with php5.2
17:06	Wombert	v-dogg: I'm pretty certain
17:06	Wombert	upgrade APC to latest
17:06	Wombert	3.0.12 should work with 5.2
17:07	v-dogg	good, I'm using that
17:07	Wombert	having trouble?
17:07	Wombert	:<
17:07	v-dogg	no no, just making sure before upgrading php
17:07	v-dogg	production server still has 5.1.x
17:09	v-dogg	hmm.. should I upgrade postgres at the same go
17:09	v-dogg	let's break everything \o/
17:12	Wombert	<:
17:12	Wombert	hmmm
17:12	Wombert	I need to get my hair cut
17:12	Wombert	hmmm
17:12	Wombert	should I go
17:12	Wombert	or should I go
17:12	Wombert	I want to implement #367
17:12	Wombert	or whatever it was
17:17	v-dogg	do that, forget the hair cut
17:20	digitarald\|	forget the hair cut, what counts is how u feel inside ;)
17:26	Wombert	but
17:26	Wombert	a friend of mine celebrates her birthday tonight and
17:26	Wombert	I hope she has some equally good looking friends
17:27	Wombert	who are single
17:27	Wombert	and if I get my hair cut
17:27	Wombert	I won't look like a blithering idiot
17:27	v-dogg	you might score
17:27	Wombert	which means I _might_ get laid
17:27	Wombert	does that make sense?
17:27	Wombert	therefor, I shall now drink a coffee and then get my hair cut
17:28	v-dogg	nah, they will instantly see you inner beauty
17:28	v-dogg	no matter how you look
17:34	Wombert	that works for george clooney
17:34	Wombert	not for programmers
17:34	Wombert	I'll go now :)
17:34	Wombert	bbiab
17:34	v-dogg	heh
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18:10	Arme[0]	wow, Wombert now you look nice :P
18:19	Wombert	I know
18:19	Wombert	xD
18:26	Arme[0]	:D
18:33	Wombert	http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g3/bells.htm
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18:58	Arme[0]	nice
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19:05	Arme[N]	it is really nice :D
19:05	Arme[N]	heh
19:07	Arme[N]	hmm, logo of AgaviBot could be somthing like that rabbit! :)
19:08	Arme[N]	hmm, 6640!
19:08	Arme[N]	lets get back to work :D
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19:14	MrJeep	hi
19:15	MrJeep	wanna see a little project made with the new version of agavi ?
19:15	Wombert	go go go
19:15	MrJeep	(requires Firefox because there is SVG)
19:15	MrJeep	http://mrjeep.dyndns.org:81/Project/Open/Tiger/Development/www/index.php?module=Document&action=Index
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19:19	MrJeep	re, my irc client crashed
19:19	Wombert	nice
19:20	Wombert	mais il faut un moniteur gigantique
19:20	Wombert	:>
19:20	Wombert	I'll try a reboot
19:20	Wombert	DNS is acting up a little
19:20	Wombert	brb
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19:22	MrJeep	yeah I have to agree about that
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19:25	Wombert	http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/373 btw in case anyone missed it
19:25	Wombert	feedback welcome
19:25	Wombert	looks at digitarald, eremit, MrJeep
19:26	Wombert	ffs
19:27	Wombert	I have to call urls like three, four times before the domain resolves
19:27	Wombert	kicks his ISP
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20:12	Arme[0]	MrJeep: nice
20:22	digitarald\|	bunny flying high score ... 30210 ...
20:23	digitarald\|	and its sooooo cute cute cue
20:25	MrJeep	Arme : thanks
20:26	MrJeep	bunny flying ??
20:33	Arme[0]	wow 30210 :X
20:37	Wombert	http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4372/cronoiwinom3.jpg
20:41	Arme[0]	that is a bug man
20:41	Arme[0]	9023964634!!!!
20:42	Arme[0]	hmm! :)
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20:57	MrJeep	lol funny game
20:58	digitarald\|	anybody here with ie6?
21:00	Arme[N]	I have on in wine
21:00	Arme[N]	one
21:02	digitarald\|	can u test something for me, just a small javascript
21:02	Arme[N]	yes sure
21:05	digitarald\|	thats the script, just type 2 letters or so :)
21:05	digitarald\|	http://dev.digitarald.de/auto2.html
21:05	digitarald\|	then wair for the result ... its just a small autocompleter
21:05	Arme[N]	okey
21:06	impl	Wombert: Try using 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 for your nameservers
21:06	digitarald\|	with 600.000 words in the backend :)
21:07	impl	disappears
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21:07	Arme[N]	digitarald\|: it works
21:07	Arme[N]	but there is a little problem i think
21:07	digitarald\|	Arme[N], it works in IE7, does that selectbox shine through the choicebox?
21:07	digitarald\|	ok, what
21:07	Arme[N]	wait a moment...
21:09	Arme[N]	digitarald\|: http://screenshots.opensourceclub.org/autocompletion.png
21:09	digitarald\|	ah, thats what i want to know for ie6 ... the input problem
21:10	digitarald\|	thx, i knew that would come ...
21:10	digitarald\|	lets try a fix
21:10	Arme[N]	np
21:11	Wombert	put an empty iframe below the list
21:12	Arme[N]	I have IE5 and 5.5 too if you want to test with those
21:12	digitarald\|	i know ;)
21:12	digitarald\|	mh, know
21:12	digitarald\|	i don't think mootools can run in ie5.5, but u can give 5.5 a try
21:13	digitarald\|	crossingfingers
21:13	digitarald\|	i need a mac to test on all browsers ... kickshisPC
21:14	Arme[N]	you can try mac emulator on linux :P
21:18	Arme[N]	digitarald\|: http://screenshots.opensourceclub.org/autocompletionIE5.5.png
21:21	digitarald\|	looks like it works, cool
21:22	digitarald\|	autocompleter with 10kb ... scriptaculous needs 120 :D
21:28	digitarald\|	Arme[N], can u test again ... http://dev.digitarald.de/auto2.html ... should work now
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21:30	Arme[N]	okey ....
21:30	digitarald\|	selectbox gone?
21:30	digitarald\|	away ... yeah
21:31	Arme[N]	no
21:31	digitarald\|	:,-(
21:31	digitarald\|	noooo
21:31	digitarald\|	same problem?
21:31	Arme[N]	let me try with Ctrl+F5
21:32	digitarald\|	success? i can upload a small change
21:32	Arme[N]	no
21:33	Arme[N]	wait I'll take screenshots
21:33	digitarald\|	mh, try again one time than i gave up for an hour
21:33	digitarald\|	its not the same problem?
21:34	Arme[N]	http://screenshots.opensourceclub.org/autocompletion2.png
21:34	Arme[N]	http://screenshots.opensourceclub.org/autocompletion2IE.5.5.png
21:34	Arme[N]	yes it is but with additional iframe !!
21:34	digitarald\|	ah uh, that iframe is gone nuts
21:35	digitarald\|	ok ... that should be easy
21:59	digitarald\|	Arme[N], got it ... can u test a last time plz :)
22:01	Arme[N]	sure :)
22:02	digitarald\|	just a yes/no, so i can go home with a smile :)
22:03	Arme[N]	you know I think answer is no
22:03	Arme[N]	but I'm not sure
22:03	digitarald\|	ok ... the smile cant go away, apple pie is waiting for me at home :)
22:03	Arme[N]	http://screenshots.opensourceclub.org/autocompletion3.png
22:03	digitarald\|	the select box is still over the choices
22:03	Arme[N]	http://screenshots.opensourceclub.org/autocompletion3IE5.5.png
22:03	digitarald\|	uh oh
22:04	digitarald\|	i see
22:04	digitarald\|	oh
22:04	digitarald\|	wait
22:04	digitarald\|	apple pie has to wait too
22:04	Arme[N]	lol
22:04	Arme[N]	:)
22:05	digitarald\|	ok, refresh
22:05	Arme[N]	okey
22:05	digitarald\|	and say yes ;)
22:06	Arme[N]	hmm, let me think about that :D
22:06	Arme[N]	nice :)
22:07	Arme[N]	wait for screenshots
22:07	Arme[N]	http://screenshots.opensourceclub.org/autocompletion4IE5.5.png
22:07	digitarald\|	ok ... coding that did not take long, debugging take longer
22:07	Arme[N]	http://screenshots.opensourceclub.org/autocompletion4.png
22:07	Arme[N]	yeah :)
22:08	digitarald\|	hey, they look the same ... thx for your help ... now i can back to the real-world problems ...
22:09	Arme[N]	np :)
22:09	digitarald\|	cya later and merry christmas (uh, 2 days ...)
22:10	Arme[N]	yeah thanks
22:11	Arme[N]	night guys :)
22:11	Wombert	nn
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22:29	impl	I have a cold :(
22:32	Wombert	very uncool
22:32	ttj	Yo.
22:32	ttj	Turku sucked. Had to buy champaign.
22:32	Wombert	uhm
22:32	Wombert	oO
22:32	Wombert	wtf
22:32	Wombert	xD
22:33	Wombert	what are you doing in turku
22:33	ttj	Champagne, even.
22:33	ttj	Having dinner.
22:33	Wombert	and did you visit v-dogg yet
22:33	ttj	Nope.
22:33	Wombert	are you still there?
22:33	ttj	Nope.
22:33	Wombert	did you meet ten hot chicks
22:33	ttj	Nope.
22:33	Wombert	or why did you buy champagne
22:33	Wombert	lol
22:33	Wombert	:>
22:33	ttj	I felt like champagne.
22:33	Wombert	I had an intentional pause there to hear the "Nope." xD
22:33	Wombert	ah
22:33	Wombert	so was it a business dinner
22:33	Wombert	no
22:34	ttj	Nope. :P
22:34	Wombert	:>
22:34	ttj	Just saw a friend of mine.
22:34	Wombert	a girl?
22:34	Wombert	pokes ttj
22:34	Wombert	answer me
22:34	ttj	A male.
22:34	Wombert	oh
22:34	Wombert	okay
22:34	Wombert	and why did you pay
22:34	ttj	Pay what?
22:34	ttj	I paid my food.
22:35	Wombert	ah
22:35	Wombert	but it was an expensive restaurant?
22:35	ttj	And bought myself champagne. Which I'm enjoying now. In my own company. :P
22:35	ttj	Nope.
22:36	Wombert	I still don't get the big picture
22:36	Wombert	didn't you work at that company that used to make paper
22:36	Wombert	is utterly confused
22:37	ttj	What? I left Helsinki to come to Salo. Then I dropped off my stuff, called up a friend of mine at Turku to have dinner with.
22:37	ttj	And catch up.
22:37	ttj	What has my job got to do with any of this? :P
22:38	ttj	I do stuff like this. I just call up random people I know every once in a while and drop by.
22:38	Wombert	"in my own company" got me confused
22:38	ttj	"In my own company" as in "by myself".
22:38	Wombert	yes
22:38	Wombert	I got that now
22:38	Wombert	:)
22:38	ttj	:-)
22:38	Wombert	hugs ttj
22:39	ttj	is hugged.
22:41	ttj	You know what. I just noticed that I'm pathetic.
22:41	Wombert	uh
22:41	Wombert	you are?
22:41	Wombert	why
22:42	ttj	I got invited to have dinner on the 26th from four different places.
22:42	Wombert	okay
22:42	ttj	Only pathetic and sad people are invited for dinner during Christmas.
22:42	Wombert	rofl
22:42	Wombert	is that so
22:42	ttj	i.e. the lost souls who have no place or no one to celebrate Christmas with.
22:42	Wombert	are you a lost soul?
22:42	Wombert	and
22:43	Wombert	would being a lost soul make you pathetic?
22:43	ttj	I might be. At least the invitations support that theory.
22:43	Wombert	who's theory is that
22:43	ttj	Mine.
22:43	Wombert	what if the theory is pathetic
22:43	ttj	No, it's true.
22:43	Wombert	uhm okay nevermind
22:43	ttj	Think about it.
22:43	ttj	:P
22:43	Wombert	that would, again, mean you're pathetic
22:43	ttj	Haha! :D
22:44	Wombert	in the end it boils down to you being pathetic for whatever reason you pick
22:44	Wombert	xD
22:44	Wombert	hugs ttj
22:44	Wombert	you're not pathetic mate
22:44	ttj	is hugged. A second time.
22:44	Wombert	but if you live in your own
22:44	Wombert	you have nobody
22:44	Wombert	other people realize that
22:44	Wombert	probably without implying that you're pathetic
22:44	ttj	But I feel like the invitations are just made out of pity.
22:44	Wombert	but just because they think you'd like to be around people at that time
22:45	Wombert	well that could be the case
22:45	Wombert	since you have four, you pick the most comfortable one, I suggest
22:45	ttj	I turned them down. :-)
22:45	Wombert	all?
22:45	ttj	Yep.
22:45	Wombert	you _are_ pathetic
22:45	Wombert	duuude
22:45	Wombert	:<
22:45	ttj	I want to be alone. It's my first semi-vacation in ages.
22:45	ttj	I don't want to be around people.
22:48	Wombert	if you do the same thing for new year's eve, I'll buy a plane ticket, fly to the place with the weird name where you are and beat you up a little
22:48	Wombert	but you'll visit family on 24th/25th, right?
22:48	Wombert	when do you celebrate in finland anyway
22:48	ttj	No. My family is away on a trip.
22:48	Wombert	24th or 25th?
22:48	Wombert	ewwww
22:48	ttj	24th.
22:48	Wombert	k
22:49	ttj	I'm at my folks' place right now, actually.
22:50	ttj	And no, I don't have any plans for New Year's yet. :-)
22:55	Wombert	hmh
22:55	ttj	I hope you didn't use this time to book a flight. :D
22:58	Wombert	heh
22:58	Wombert	nope
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03:56	impl	Wombert: Look at this: http://www.symfony-project.com/uploads/assets/sfAdminGeneratorRefCard.pdf
03:56	impl	fucking crazy
03:58	impl	Symfony is on crack
06:05	Wombert	re
06:06	Wombert	slaps impl
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08:14	Wombert	slaps impl
08:14	impl	slaps Wombert
08:14	Wombert	what's up
08:15	impl	Not much
08:15	impl	is amusing himself with random photography (not porn, for the most part ;)
08:15	impl	and you, sir?
08:15	Wombert	I came back from some partying
08:15	Wombert	nice club
08:16	Wombert	quite drunk, too
08:16	Wombert	(me)
08:16	Wombert	while there, they played a song I knew from Guitar Hero on playstation 2
08:16	impl	hah, cool
08:16	Wombert	which made me want to play guitar hero, obviously
08:16	Wombert	you know guitar hero?
08:16	impl	Nope
08:16	Wombert	the nice thing is
08:16	Wombert	I came back home
08:16	Wombert	pinged a friend
08:16	Wombert	and two other mates were at his place
08:16	Wombert	playing guitar hero
08:17	Wombert	one of them picked me up
08:17	Wombert	and I played guitar hero :>
08:17	Wombert	now i'm back
08:17	impl	wow, that worked out nicely
08:17	Wombert	still a bit drunk and
08:17	Wombert	yeah you bet
08:17	impl	it's what, 7AM now though right?
08:17	Wombert	guitar hero works like this
08:17	Wombert	yep
08:17	Wombert	tunes "fall" from the top
08:17	Wombert	you don't use a ps2 controller, but a guitar instead
08:17	Wombert	omg how to explain thios
08:18	impl	:s
08:18	Wombert	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_hero
08:18	Wombert	To play a note, the fret button and strum bar must be pressed when the solid note scrolls through the corresponding ring at the bottom.
08:18	Wombert	that's what I wanted to say xD
08:19	Wombert	and did I mention the club was nice
08:19	Wombert	the folks there were nice
08:19	Wombert	even the girls, kinda
08:19	Wombert	and I got drunk?
08:19	Wombert	sounds like a decent night
08:19	impl	I'd say so :)
08:21	impl	http://tmbo.org/offensive/2006/12/22/index.php?id=96
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20:14	Wombert	pokes v-dogg
20:14	Wombert	eww
20:15	Wombert	pokes v-dogg
20:15	Wombert	better!
20:15	Wombert	:>
20:28	foresth	slaps Wombert with a big fish
20:29	foresth	merry christmas!
20:29	Wombert	not yet!
20:29	Wombert	:)
20:31	foresth	who brings gifts in germany? the baby christ?
20:31	Wombert	mmmh
20:31	Wombert	depends
20:31	Wombert	here in bavaria, yes
20:31	Wombert	I think other parts in germany use santa
20:32	Wombert	not sure tho
20:32	foresth	damn santa
20:32	foresth	the coca-cola patent :]
20:33	foresth	here in czech too
20:34	foresth	I suppose we adopted it from you
20:34	foresth	long time ago..
20:35	Wombert	hmmm
20:35	Wombert	no idea
20:35	Wombert	santa claus is very old actually
20:35	Wombert	coca cola only made the red/white colors popular
20:36	Wombert	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_Santa_Claus
20:36	Wombert	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus
20:36	Wombert	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_gift-bringers_around_the_world
20:37	foresth	yeah, no problem with santa
20:37	foresth	he just might not be in every shop here
20:37	foresth	when we have the baby christ
20:37	foresth	:)
20:38	Wombert	haha
20:38	Wombert	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christkind
20:38	Wombert	that's pretty funny
20:39	foresth	nice
20:50	foresth	is weather as warm in germany as it is in here? :]
20:50	foresth	it's sad..
21:03	Wombert	yes
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21:03	Wombert	no christmas feeling at all without snow
21:04	codecop	true true
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23:15	Fastly	hey guys, i'm playing with 0.11 and noticed on windows that agavi.bat doesn't work if you're modifying a project that's on a hdd serparate from the agavi src directories..
23:16	Fastly	e.g. my project is the d:\projects\foo and when i type "agavi project" it says "Buildfile: \php\PEAR\agavi-0.11.0RC1\src\build.xml does not exist!"
23:17	Fastly	i tried creating c:\projects\foo and ran the same command and it worked successfully
23:17	Fastly	ideally i want to keep all work on the d:
23:17	Fastly	btw, in agavi.bet it reads: set AGAVI_INSTALLATION=c:/php/PEAR/agavi-0.11.0RC1/src
23:18	Fastly	so i'm unsure at to why it it dropping the c:/ somewhere
23:22	Fastly	any ideas?
23:23	Wombert	Fastly: thanks for the report
23:23	Wombert	that mightbe a bug
23:23	Wombert	I can look into it later
23:24	Fastly	ok, for now i can copy the agavi directories onto the d: and am finally working on upgrading to 0.11 whilst everything is quiet here...
23:24	Fastly	how's the new web site coming across btw
23:24	Fastly	?
23:25	Fastly	sorry i didn't get back to you with further font ideas - it's all been a bit crazy here the last couple of weeks
23:27	Wombert	no problem man
23:27	Wombert	the designer is a bit busy so there's more delays but
23:27	Wombert	we think we found a decent font
23:33	Fastly	excellent
23:33	Fastly	look forward to seeing it
23:34	Fastly	do you have anything that resembles a migration guide at the moment (from 0.10.2) -- don't worry if not i should work things out
23:34	Fastly	?
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01:54	impl	http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/0.11.0RC1/RELEASE_NOTES might be your best bet
02:00	Fastly	thanks impl
02:00	impl	mhm
02:04	Wombert	re
02:05	impl	Evening Wombert
02:05	Wombert	hi impl
02:05	Wombert	what's up
02:05	impl	Not much
02:05	impl	You? ;o
02:06	Wombert	back from burger king
02:06	Wombert	but
02:06	Wombert	I'm stupid so I didn't eat anything
02:06	Wombert	just drank a coffee
02:06	Wombert	now I'm hungry and gotta make myself something to eat
02:06	impl	:<
02:07	Wombert	precisely :)
02:07	Wombert	http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/2017 mmmmh
02:09	Fastly	wombert, do you recommend using propel?
02:17	Fastly	i'd like to check it out - just wondering if there is an example of project-conf.php anywhere/
02:17	Wombert	project-conf.php is generated by propel for you
02:17	Wombert	it contains info about the database connection
02:18	Fastly	ok sweet, i'll check out the propel docs then
02:18	Fastly	i know what it is but have never got around to using it - looks sweet.
02:18	Fastly	do you use propel in your projects>?
02:20	Wombert	yes
02:20	Wombert	it always depends
02:21	Wombert	if you have very very compelx relations with very complex joins, propel will cause some headaches
02:22	Fastly	in some cases i do... would it be wise to use propel for the simple queries and creole for more complex queries?
02:22	Fastly	within the same project...
02:22	Wombert	that would be an option, yes
02:22	Wombert	though if you start new, you should probably try the 1.3 branch
02:22	Wombert	which uses PDO
02:22	Wombert	a lot faster
02:22	Wombert	agavi already works with it
02:23	impl	it doesn't use creole?
02:25	Fastly	i'm installing propel via pear at the moment with preferred_state beta
02:25	Fastly	hopefully that should get what i need
02:31	Wombert	nope
02:31	Wombert	that will get you 1.2
02:31	Wombert	to play around a bit, that's fine
02:33	Fastly	weird, it says here that beta should be fine: http://propel.phpdb.org/trac/wiki/Users/Documentation/1.3/Installation
02:34	Wombert	that's probably future instructions
02:34	Fastly	ok
02:35	Fastly	where do you normally keep the propel working directory in relation to the agavi project?
02:35	Wombert	I'm on the phone right now
02:35	Fastly	k
02:35	Wombert	could you give me a minute?
02:35	Fastly	np
02:35	Fastly	:-)
02:57	Wombert	re
02:57	Wombert	oookay
02:58	Wombert	I bundle all libraries with the apps
02:58	Wombert	i.e. I never use pear packages
02:58	Wombert	project/ has subfolders app/, pub/ and libs/
02:58	Wombert	libs/ contains agavi/src as agavi/
02:58	Wombert	propel/runtime as propel-runtime/
02:58	Wombert	propel/generator as propel-generator/
02:59	Wombert	libs/ is then added to the include path in app/config.php
02:59	Wombert	that way, everything works fine
02:59	Wombert	oh wait
02:59	Wombert	actually
02:59	Wombert	propel/runtime/classes/propel is added as propel/ or something
02:59	Wombert	I dunno
02:59	Wombert	so the includes and requires work relative to libs/
03:00	Wombert	I also have dev/ which has a subfolder containint build.properties, schema.xml, runtime-conf.xml and a copy of build.xml-local so building projects outside the propel/generator/projects folder
03:05	Fastly	hmm... did you install propel via pear?
03:05	Fastly	sorry... didn't read the first bit
03:10	Fastly	(stupid question!)
04:38	Wombert	re
04:38	Wombert	no stupid questions ;)
04:38	Wombert	only stupid answers
04:38	Wombert	any trouble with propel so far, Fastly ?
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11:13	v-dogg	huomenta
11:14	foresth	ahoy
11:14	v-dogg	and merry xmas
11:16	ttj	Yeah, merry christmas.
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13:13	Fastly	hey wombert are you there?
13:15	Fastly	i'm upgrading to 0.11 and previously i had extented the Action and PHPView classes and added things like decorators and slots to the execute() method which i then called using a parent::execute() at the end of each view...
13:16	Fastly	i notice that execute() is now passed an AgaviParameterHolder
13:16	Fastly	what would be your approach to extending the functionality of execute() ? At the moment i am getting errors such as:
13:16	Fastly	Fatal error: Argument 1 passed to HomeView::execute() must be an object of class AgaviParameterHolder, called in D:\httpdocs\ths-v3\app\modules\Default\views\IndexSuccessView.class.php on line 19 and defined in D:\httpdocs\ths-v3\app\lib\BaseView.class.php on line 64
13:17	Fastly	i can provide you with any pastebin if you need to look
13:31	Fastly	seem to have this working now - but do let me know if you think i'm on the wrong track here...
13:31	Fastly	... just working out how to specify program constants in 0.11 ...
13:32	foresth	man, it's xmas ;]
13:33	foresth	screw the work.. :)
13:34	v-dogg	Fastly: depends on what your common code does but it might be easier to put it in MyView::initialize
13:35	Fastly	cool will try
13:35	Fastly	foresth, anything to keep me away from cooking duties for now ;-)
13:37	foresth	Fastly, i see :))
13:39	Fastly	according to the comments in AgaviView.class.php: execute() : Execute any presentation logic and set template attributes.
13:39	Fastly	initialize() : Initialize this view.
13:40	Fastly	i'm doing the former...
13:42	v-dogg	my base view classes set for example decorators etc. in initialize
13:43	v-dogg	and that is ok (I think) because you can disable decorating per output type, should you need undecorated output sometime
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14:07	Fastly	hmm .... once i even create a function initialize(AgaviResponse $response, array $attributes = array()) { }
14:07	Fastly	in class HomeView extends AgaviView
14:08	Fastly	i get an error saying:
14:08	Fastly	The template "/IndexSuccess.php" does not exist or is unreadable
14:44	Fastly	hmm... how would i go about creating a settings file full of constants?
14:44	Fastly	and accessing these?
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15:58	ttj	Wombert \o/
15:59	Wombert	what's up man
16:00	ttj	Not much, just stuffed the second load of laundry into the machine.
16:00	ttj	You?
16:02	Wombert	mmmh
16:02	Wombert	I woke up just half an hour ago
16:02	Wombert	:)
16:02	ttj	Nice.
16:03	Wombert	and now I gotta wrap some presents
16:04	ttj	Ok, later.
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22:05	Fastly	hey i know it's christmas so apologies for disturbing you guys - does anyone here have an example of a custom configuration file that is used to generate constants in 0.11?
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22:06	Fastly	hey wombert
22:07	Fastly	sorry to repear all but:
22:07	Fastly	hey i know it's christmas so apologies for disturbing you guys - does anyone here have an example of a custom configuration file that is used to generate constants in 0.11?
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22:23	Wombert	Fastly: that should be easy
22:23	Wombert	gimme a second
22:26	Fastly	thanks :-)
22:27	Fastly	btw, the CoolConfigurationHandler.class.php example in config_handlers.xml give the following error:
22:27	Fastly	XSD Validation of configuration file "D:/httpdocs/ths-v3/app/config/config_handlers.xml" failed, errors reported by DOM:
22:27	Fastly	DOMDocument::schemaValidate() [<a href='function.DOMDocument-schemaValidate'>function.DOMDocument-schemaValidate</a>]: Element 'handler': The attribute 'class' is required but missing.
22:27	Fastly	DOMDocument::schemaValidate() [<a href='function.DOMDocument-schemaValidate'>function.DOMDocument-schemaValidate</a>]: Element 'class': This element is not expected.
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00:05	Wombert	ah yeah
00:12	Fastly	:-)
01:19	foresth	Wombert?
01:20	foresth	how do you make object variables in actions classes accessible via $variable in views?
01:20	foresth	i cannot figure it out
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01:30	Fastly	foresth, i think you'd need to $parameters->setParameter($name, $value) in the action and then $parameters->getParameter($name) in the view
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04:09	Wombert	re
04:11	Fastly	hey Wombert, Merry Christmas!
04:12	Fastly	to you all in fact :-)
04:13	Wombert	same to you, Fastly
04:14	Wombert	you guys in the uk celebrate on 25th, right
04:15	Wombert	that hoff pipex ad is genius btw
04:15	Fastly	that's right, although i feel like i've eaten enough to last me right through the 25th already!
04:15	Wombert	harhar
04:17	Fastly	i'm staying at my parents place and have some rellies over including grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins - most are in bed now. i keep heading to the computer for a tactical programming sessions when it looks like kitchen duties are on the horizon!
04:18	Wombert	haha :>
04:18	Wombert	very wise of you
04:19	Fastly	anyway i'm going to head to bed - no doubt the kids will be hyper at 8am,,, :-(
04:20	Wombert	oooh yes
04:20	Wombert	they will be
04:20	Wombert	just like we used to :)
04:20	Wombert	dude
04:20	Fastly	btw, hate to ask these things at this time, but i'm quite stuck into the 0.11 migration and came across a problem that's preventing me from getting any further...
04:20	Wombert	why does chrimstas lose all of it's glory when you grow up
04:20	Wombert	shoot!
04:20	Wombert	I now have time
04:21	Fastly	i cannot work out how to create custom config files that declare program constants
04:21	Fastly	do you have any examples?
04:22	Wombert	AgaviConfig ?
04:22	Wombert	AgaviConfig::get('core.debug');
04:22	Wombert	stuff like that?
04:22	Wombert	or real php constants
04:23	Fastly	previously an ini file called ths.ini was used to create real php constants
04:23	Fastly	although i'm open to whatever is considered to be the new 0.11 standard way of doing things
04:24	Wombert	depends on what precisely you're trying to achieve
04:24	Fastly	there are a number of places in the code where the value of a constant stored in the config file is tested and the program execution altered accordingly
04:26	Fastly	does AgaviConfig read from an xml config file?
04:26	Wombert	mmmh
04:26	Wombert	nope
04:26	Wombert	AgaviConfig::set
04:26	Wombert	and AgaviConfig::get
04:26	Wombert	it's only purpose is to eliminate the use of constants
04:26	Fastly	these set/get the core settings though, right?
04:27	Wombert	basically, it's name and value paris
04:27	Wombert	pairs
04:27	Wombert	settings.xml prefixes "core." to the settings listed there
04:27	Wombert	e.g. <setting name="debug">false</setting> yields AgaviConfig::set('core.debug', false);
04:28	Wombert	I think v-dogg has a working config handler that sets arbitrary name/value pairs
04:28	Wombert	i.e. without the core. prefix settings.xml uses
04:28	Wombert	if you do it that way, I recommend com.acme.product.whatever and similar stuff as names
04:28	Wombert	prevents collisions
04:29	Wombert	also, keep in mind that in order to toss data around between parts of the application (e.g. a slot sets a value that is read later), you can use request attributes
04:30	Wombert	$request->setAttribute('breadcrumb', 'hello there', 'com.acme-shop.navigation');
04:30	Wombert	for instance
04:31	Fastly	how would i declare custom_settings.xml?
04:31	Wombert	and the slot that renders the breadcrumb would then $req->getAttribute('breadcrumb', 'com.acme-shop.navigation'); and append that value
04:31	Wombert	you first need to write a config handler
04:31	Wombert	or wait until tomorrow or the day after and ask v-dogg to send you his
04:32	Wombert	I'll also add that handler he wrote to 0.11 RC2
04:32	Wombert	because several other people requested that so far, it makes sense to bundle it
04:32	Fastly	ok sweet, thanks and i really must sleep now - is it worth writing a ticket on trac if one isn't already there?
04:33	Wombert	yeah do that!
04:33	Wombert	that way, we won't forget about it
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05:46	MrJeep	hi
05:46	MrJeep	I just wanna wish you all a merry christmast
05:46	MrJeep	thanks for all your help
05:46	MrJeep	Agavi's been very usefull
05:48	MrJeep	well, have a nice holyday. Thanks again
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09:31	luke`	hi
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12:06	v-dogg	Fastly, Wombert: http://pastebin.ca/291532 and an example: http://pastebin.ca/291533
12:06	v-dogg	$version = AgaviConfig::get('com.myproject.version');
12:09	v-dogg	though, I don't know if we want to bundle this with agavi or come up with something more versatile
12:10	v-dogg	but it's clear that we need something because several people have been asking about this
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17:11	Wombert	foresth: you mean literally $foo inside View::execute() ?
17:11	Wombert	merry chrimstas, v-dogg
17:11	impl	Merry Christmas, guys :D
17:19	foresth	Wombert, I think yes but I've already figured it out..
17:19	Wombert	foresth: uhm
17:19	Wombert	public function execute(AgaviParameterHolder $p) {
17:19	Wombert	I mean...
17:19	Wombert	you cannot have $foo etc available in there automatically
17:19	Wombert	obviously
17:20	impl	foresth: I hope you haven't used globals
17:21	Wombert	impl: xD
17:21	Wombert	http://php.net/manual/en/language.variables.scope.php
17:22	Wombert	if you set a variable via $this->setAttribute('name', 'value'); inside the action
17:22	Wombert	it will
17:22	Wombert	a) be automatically available in the view via $this->getAttribute('name');
17:22	Wombert	b) automatically be assigned to the template
17:22	impl	what's the point of Request::set/getAttribute then?
17:22	Wombert	you can have $name in the template then if you set the corresponding option in the renderer in output_types.xml
17:23	Wombert	impl: that's just to pass data around between other components
17:23	Wombert	e.g. a slot sets some data as a request attribute that is later used by a filter
17:23	impl	Isn't the action and view two components? ;p
17:23	Wombert	yes
17:23	Wombert	but
17:24	Wombert	the data passed from view to action
17:24	Wombert	now doesn't use the request anymore
17:24	Wombert	instead, the info is stored in the action stack entry
17:24	v-dogg	impl: eg. to toss around data between one action to another action (after forward)
17:24	impl	hmmh
17:24	impl	That makes sense I suppose
17:24	Wombert	(even though you can give slots and forwards additional request params, too)
17:24	Wombert	impl: example
17:25	Wombert	$request->setAttribute('populate', false, 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
17:25	Wombert	to prevent re-population of a form from within your view
17:25	impl	Oo. Cool.
17:25	Wombert	the form population filter reads that value when it runs much, much later
17:25	impl	So there are predefined filter request attributes inside their respective namespaces
17:26	Wombert	they are not predefined, no
17:26	Wombert	undefined ones return null
17:26	Wombert	it just tries to read them
17:26	impl	Yeah, but the filter assumes a default value then, true? :p
17:26	Wombert	yes
17:26	Wombert	third argument to getAttribute may be the default value
17:26	impl	nods
17:28	foresth	impl, I haven't.. I use parameterholder/registry and __set() and __get() methods
17:28	impl	:D
17:28	Wombert	foresth: what exactly are you trying to achieve?
17:30	foresth	impl, what's funny? :)
17:30	foresth	Wombert, object variable ($this->foo) created in action will be accessible via $foo in template file
17:30	Wombert	you might be putting the cart before the horse there
17:31	impl	Funny?
17:31	Wombert	foresth: ewwwww that's wrong
17:31	Wombert	foresth: if you use $this->setAttribute('foo', 'bar');
17:31	Wombert	then it will be available as $template['foo'] in the template
17:31	Wombert	AND
17:32	Wombert	you can change a setting so it is $foo, not $template['foo']
17:32	Wombert	if you want to use $this->foo instead in the action, follow these simple steps:
17:33	Wombert	class MyBaseAction extends AgaviAction {
17:33	Wombert	public function __set($name, $value) {
17:33	Wombert	$this->setAttribute($name, $value);
17:33	Wombert	}
17:33	Wombert	public function __get($name) {
17:33	Wombert	return $this->getAttribute($name);
17:33	Wombert	}
17:33	Wombert	}
17:33	Wombert	then, do
17:33	Wombert	class Default_IndexAction extends MyBaseAction
17:33	Wombert	instead of
17:33	Wombert	class Default_IndexAction extends AgaviAction
17:34	Wombert	last step is to use custom build templates so "agavi action" creates classes that extend MyBaseAction automatically
17:34	Wombert	info on how to do that is in the manual
17:34	impl	The last time I made custom templates I accidentally svn deleted them before I committed them
17:34	impl	that was stupid :\|
17:37	foresth	Wombert, I'm sorry I didn't express myself clearly.. I meant generally, not the exact agavi way
17:37	foresth	http://www.symfony-project.com/book/trunk/view
17:37	foresth	see the $this->name example
17:37	Wombert	well you'd do it the same way there
17:37	Wombert	in the view
17:37	Wombert	class MyBaseView extends AgaviView
17:38	Wombert	and implement __get and __set
17:38	foresth	yes I did it
17:38	Wombert	no need for parameter holders or anything
17:38	foresth	I said I've already figured it out :)
17:38	Wombert	also, no hacks needed to have $foo in the template, you can use our "extract_vars" parameter to the renderer to make that happen automatically
17:40	Wombert	we don't use magic getters and setters because many people, including myself, don't like them
17:40	Wombert	you should never fiddle with members directly
17:40	Wombert	that's why we use the methods
17:41	foresth	i see
17:41	foresth	thanks
17:41	Wombert	as you've seen, it's very easy for people to extend the base action and view classes to fit their taste :)
17:50	v-dogg	Wombie: did you see my pastings up there ^
17:50	Wombert	yes
17:51	Wombert	just didn't have time yet
17:51	Wombert	will look at it in a minute
17:51	v-dogg	sure
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18:57	v-dogg	mmm... chocolate..
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19:13	Wombert	http://www.noradsanta.org/
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19:23	impl	Wombert: Promise you'll never have one of these: http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&q=+FactoryFactory
19:23	Wombert	ahaha
19:26	v-dogg	heh
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19:27	v-dogg	I'm just reading Fowler's PoEAA and thinking that this guy should review Agavi
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19:27	Wombert	ah
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19:27	Wombert	patterns are soooo overrated ;)
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19:28	v-dogg	nah :)
19:28	v-dogg	people just use them without having a clue :)
19:30	v-dogg	argh. why can't windows stop buggering me about rebooting
19:31	Wombert	ahaha
19:31	Wombert	:>
19:32	Wombert	you can disable a service or something
19:32	Wombert	to make it go a way
19:32	Wombert	sec
19:32	Wombert	http://tinyurl.com/pkefc
19:32	Wombert	does that work, v-dogg ? :)
19:33	v-dogg	I kinda knew what was behind that link. I saw it comming even before I said anything about this :)
19:33	Wombert	xDDDD http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000294.html that should help (I set it to 24 hours or something)
19:33	Wombert	harhar
19:33	Wombert	:>
19:33	Wombert	hugs v-dogg
19:36	v-dogg	I made a shortcut for disabling the service :p
19:57	Wombert	http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page5323.asp
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01:39	CIA-11	dominik * r1444 /branches/0.11/ (10 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
01:39	CIA-11	BREAKING CHANGE!
01:39	CIA-11	- Reworked the internal error handling in the validation. Now validators have
01:39	CIA-11	multiple incidents (usually one per failed internal run [one validator
01:39	CIA-11	internally runs multiple times when you give it a base and it has to validate
01:39	CIA-11	more then one field that way). An incident can have multiple errors, which can
01:39	CIA-11	span multiple fields.
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19:52	v-dogg	Wombert: you there mate
20:01	Wombert	v-dogg: with a headache
20:01	kaos	lol @ hetzner btw
20:01	kaos	default daily traffic warn limit
20:01	kaos	2gb
20:03	v-dogg	I've been writing my bachelors paper here (promised my professor it'd be ready by christmas :p) and at the same time been thinking about agavi's structure
20:05	kaos	so you write your bachelors paper about agavi ? xD
20:05	kaos	;p
20:05	v-dogg	no, about MVC and PHP apps
20:06	kaos	pfft ;p
20:06	kaos	next time you write about agavi
20:07	v-dogg	how easy is it now to test actions? could we make it easier? eg. can we simulate incomming requests?
20:07	kaos	or i will send my evil reindeer forces over to you
20:07	v-dogg	haha
20:07	kaos	not yet
20:07	kaos	this is on the queue for 1.0
20:07	v-dogg	calm down, there's a whole paragraph about agavi in my paper :)
20:07	kaos	i actually have some ideas
20:07	kaos	but we need the infrastructure for that first
20:08	kaos	(so, either we go by fully simulating a request, or we do it via some webserver)
20:08	kaos	while i personally would prefer the full simulation
20:10	v-dogg	I just read about a two-stage controller: first stage parses and digests the input so that the second stage doesn't have to worry about where the input is comming from
20:10	Wombert	that's what we have (controller and action)
20:11	kaos	to some degree
20:11	v-dogg	well... yeah, kinda
20:11	kaos	getting request files for example is like quite bound to web and stuff
20:11	v-dogg	but our controller (routing and all) is way too complex to be simulated
20:14	v-dogg	hm... or maybe not
20:14	kaos	well, i would simulate an full http request for testing
20:14	kaos	should be way easier
20:15	kaos	i think testing actions could be done by defining the http inputs and the stuff the action should set into the view
20:17	Wombert	that's functional testing then anyway
20:17	kaos	yes, but how would you test actions ?
20:17	kaos	you can only test the complete action::execute
20:18	kaos	or "nothing"
20:18	v-dogg	and an action can, for example, test whether some route was matched or not
20:18	kaos	you can do that "manually" actually ;)
20:19	kaos	where would be the use of testing a route match in an action ?
20:20	v-dogg	sure, but building a test case and the test environment should be easy and simple enough so that (a) not a hell of a lot else can go wrong ie. you are really testing your action and not the framework
20:20	kaos	(unless you want to test the entire routing handling in one test)
20:20	v-dogg	and (b) you would bother writing it
20:20	kaos	well, we would need to provide some tools for testing ofc
20:20	kaos	we could easily let the routes be tested via some xml file too
20:21	v-dogg	I might want to test some non-stoping route in my action
20:22	kaos	then you could define <routeTest><input><url></url></input><result><matchedRoute>...</matchedRoute><matchedAction .. /> </result></routeTest>
20:22	kaos	like that ? ;)
20:22	v-dogg	not sure what that is supposed to do :)
20:23	kaos	i don't see the need to place the code which tests if the route has matched in the action
20:23	kaos	you would do that in your test code
20:23	kaos	and your test code should not contain any extra actions (imho)
20:23	v-dogg	the result of the action depends on a non-stopping route
20:24	v-dogg	if it was mathed some code is run, otherwise not
20:24	v-dogg	+c
20:24	kaos	yeah, but how would you check that in your test code after the action is run ?
20:25	kaos	either you place test code directly in your action (very bad ;) or you check something the action does
20:26	kaos	which boils down to either using mock objects (which can get quite complex when testing full apps)
20:26	kaos	or checking what variables the action set into the view
20:30	v-dogg	true
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23:12	Fastly	v-dogg, do you have an example config handler and config file to parse custom constants with a 0.11 app?
23:12	Fastly	i'm suprised there isn't one bundled by default with 0.11
23:13	Wombert	12:06 < v-dogg> Fastly, Wombert: http://pastebin.ca/291532 and an example: http://pastebin.ca/291533
23:13	Wombert	12:06 < v-dogg> $version = AgaviConfig::get('com.myproject.version');
23:13	Wombert	12:09 < v-dogg> though, I don't know if we want to bundle this with agavi or come up with something more versatile
23:13	Wombert	12:10 < v-dogg> but it's clear that we need something because several people have been asking about this
23:14	v-dogg	thanks wombie :)
23:15	Wombert	v-dogg: help
23:15	Wombert	I'm in deep trouble
23:15	Wombert	just finished dinner
23:15	Wombert	and
23:15	Wombert	the headache is away, almost
23:15	Wombert	which means perfect coding conditions BUT
23:15	Wombert	die hard 3 is on tv, starts _now_
23:15	Wombert	what shall I do
23:15	v-dogg	haha :D
23:16	v-dogg	first tell us did the hair cut do its magic the other night ;)
23:17	Wombert	I didn't get laid
23:17	Wombert	but
23:17	Wombert	I was decently drunk
23:17	Wombert	the place was nice
23:17	Wombert	the folks were nice
23:18	v-dogg	ok :)
23:18	Wombert	and I met a rather nice, rather cute girl but I gotta decide
23:18	Wombert	if I like her, or not
23:18	Wombert	or, rather, get to know her a bit
23:19	v-dogg	go for it
23:20	kaos	-22:19:51- <Wombert> what shall I do <-- CODE!!!!!!!!!
23:20	kaos	:D
23:26	v-dogg	he is already by the telly
23:26	Wombert	nope
23:26	Wombert	:>
23:27	Wombert	actually I just wanna see the water tank scene
23:27	Wombert	the rest is rather lame
23:27	Wombert	did you see the die hard 4 trailer, v-dogg?
23:28	v-dogg	no, I don't think so
23:28	Fastly	sweet thanks
23:29	Wombert	http://www.moviemaze.de/media/trailer/3085/live-free-or-die-hard.html
23:31	v-dogg	I'll check it out tomorrow. gotta hit the sack now
23:31	Wombert	sure
23:31	v-dogg	night
23:31	Wombert	nn mate
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02:40	Fastly	guys, in having trouble registering a custom configuration handler: http://pastebin.ca/292909
02:40	Fastly	getting the following errors:
02:40	Fastly	XSD Validation of configuration file "D:/httpdocs/ths-v3/app/config/config_handlers.xml" failed, errors reported by DOM:
02:40	Fastly	DOMDocument::schemaValidate() [<a href='function.DOMDocument-schemaValidate'>function.DOMDocument-schemaValidate</a>]: Element 'handler': The attribute 'class' is required but missing.
02:40	Fastly	DOMDocument::schemaValidate() [<a href='function.DOMDocument-schemaValidate'>function.DOMDocument-schemaValidate</a>]: Element 'class': This element is not expected.
02:41	Wombert	http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/config/defaults/config_handlers.xml
02:43	Fastly	would you recommend working from the HEAD?
02:43	Fastly	thanks
02:43	Wombert	yeah
02:43	Wombert	but branches/0.11
02:43	Wombert	not trunk
02:43	Fastly	ok
02:45	Fastly	do you have examples of the xsd files?
02:45	Wombert	they are... uhm... XSD files :)
02:45	Wombert	but you don't have to use them
02:46	Fastly	for the config handler you showed me in pastebin earlier...
02:46	Wombert	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_Schema_%28W3C%29
02:46	Wombert	yes
02:46	Wombert	but
02:46	Wombert	omit validate="..." and you're fine
02:46	Fastly	sweet
02:46	Wombert	if you want to have your config files validated against a schema, you gotta learn xsd ;)
02:47	Fastly	ahhh this is a DTD right?
02:47	Fastly	i know about this ;-)
02:47	Wombert	not exactly, but close, yes
02:47	Fastly	sorted
02:48	Wombert	there's DTD (that's from the SGML times afaik)
02:48	Wombert	XSD
02:48	Wombert	RelaxNG
02:48	Wombert	schematron
02:48	Wombert	etc etc etc
02:48	Wombert	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_Schema_Language_Comparison
02:50	Fastly	ok so now i have: <handler pattern="%core.config_dir%/ths_settings.xml" class="ConfigDirectivesConfigHandler" />
02:50	Fastly	previously i had: <class file="%core.app_dir%/lib/ConfigDirectivesConfigHandler.class.php">ConfigDirectivesConfigHandler</class>
02:51	Fastly	where in the new method do i state where the config handler is?
02:51	Wombert	add it to the autoloads
02:51	Fastly	cool
02:52	Fastly	that worked
02:54	Wombert	environment="development" has to go, obviously
02:55	Wombert	ooooh snap I have a wicked idea there
02:56	Fastly	ok, i'm looking at the convert() method of ConfigDirectiveConfigHander, and it appears the config xml schema should look something like:
02:56	Fastly	<settings prefix="ths">
02:56	Fastly	<setting name="test">foobar</setting>
02:56	Fastly	</settings>
02:56	Fastly	??
02:57	Wombert	uh
02:57	Wombert	probably, yes
03:01	Fastly	i'd then get this by: $this->setAttribute('test', AgaviConfig::get('ths.test'));
03:02	Fastly	... e.g. when passing from a view to the template...
03:02	Wombert	yeah
03:02	Wombert	I guess
03:10	Wombert	http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/374
03:18	Fastly	hmm... wildcard support a v.good idea
03:18	Fastly	the config file test isn't throwing any errors, just what i placed in the config isn't being created.
03:19	Fastly	should the config file be cached?
03:19	Fastly	because i searched the cache directory for 'foobar' and couldn't find anything
03:19	Fastly	(based upon the above example)
03:20	Fastly	config_handler.xml : <handler pattern="%core.config_dir%/ths_settings.xml" class="ConfigDirectivesConfigHandler" />
03:21	Fastly	(inside <handlers>
03:21	Fastly	autoload.xml : <autoload name="ConfigDirectivesConfigHandler">%core.app_dir%/lib/ConfigDirectivesConfigHandler.class.php</autoload>
03:21	Fastly	ConfigDirectivesConfigHandler.class.php unchanged from your pastebin earlier
03:22	Fastly	ths_settings.xml as above
03:22	Fastly	seems the config data isn't been compiled
03:23	Fastly	however self::$handlers['D:/httpdocs/ths-v3/app/config/ths_settings.xml'] = new ConfigDirectivesConfigHandler();
03:23	Fastly	self::$handlers['D:/httpdocs/ths-v3/app/config/ths_settings.xml']->initialize(NULL, NULL, array (
03:23	Fastly	appears in the config_handlers.xml cache
03:23	Fastly	and autoload cache
03:24	Wombert	do you have debug on?
03:25	Fastly	hmm it was off in settings.xmkl
03:27	Fastly	ok turned it on
03:28	Fastly	but still no new cache file is generated for ConfigDirectivesConfigHandler
03:28	Fastly	despite it still appearing the the cachces for autoload and config_handlers
03:29	Wombert	uhm
03:29	Wombert	okay
03:29	Wombert	first, debug on clears the cache dir on each refresh
03:29	Wombert	that was my question ;)
03:29	Wombert	second, you have to call code that loads the config
03:29	Wombert	it's compiled on demand, not on startup
03:30	Fastly	oh thought it would happen at startup if present in config_handlers.xml..
03:31	Fastly	does the execute() method of ConfigDirectivesConfigHandler not execute automatically
03:31	Fastly	in which case it appears to compile the data
03:32	Wombert	no
03:32	Wombert	how would it know which configs to compile :)
03:32	Wombert	AgaviConfigCache::checkConfig('settings.xml'); to load that
03:32	Fastly	from config_handlers.xml ?
03:32	Wombert	or whatever it is called
03:32	Wombert	there may be wildcards
03:34	Fastly	hmm... it says
03:34	Fastly	Configuration file "D:/httpdocs/ths-v3/app/ths_settings.xml" does not exist or is unreadable.
03:35	Fastly	it's in D:\httpdocs\ths-v3\app\config
03:37	Wombert	you have to give the proper path, obviously
03:37	Fastly	hmm.... AgaviConfigCache::checkConfig("config/ths_settings.xml")
03:37	Fastly	gives:
03:37	Fastly	Configuration file "D:/httpdocs/ths-v3/app/config/ths_settings.xml" does not have a registered handler
03:37	Fastly	<handler pattern="%core.config_dir%/ths_settings.xml" class="ConfigDirectivesConfigHandler" />
03:38	Fastly	^ from config_handlers.xml
03:39	Wombert	AgaviConfigCache::checkConfig(AgaviConfig::get('core.config_dir') . '/ths_settings.xml');
03:40	Fastly	Fatal error: Argument 1 passed to AgaviConfigHandler::orderConfigurations() must not be null
03:40	Wombert	bug in your handler
03:42	Fastly	AgaviConfig::get('core.config_dir') = D:\httpdocs\ths-v3\app/config
03:42	Fastly	should this matter?
03:42	Wombert	do you have <configurations> and <configuration> blocks in the xml
03:42	Fastly	yes
03:43	Fastly	hmm... i didn't have <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>
03:43	Fastly	in ths_settings.xml
03:44	Fastly	maybe this would help
03:44	Wombert	not necessary
03:44	Fastly	k
03:45	Fastly	i'm using branches/0.11 right now
03:45	Fastly	Configuration file "D:/httpdocs/ths-v3/app/config/ths_settings.xml" does not have a registered handler
03:46	Fastly	http://pastebin.ca/292965
03:46	Fastly	this is the config handler - i believe it's unchanged from the one you gave me
03:47	Fastly	d'ya know if v-dogg had this handler working?
03:50	Wombert	show me all parts of the code
03:50	Wombert	configs, calling code etc
03:51	Fastly	ok app\lib\ConfigDirectivesConfigHandler.class.php is in pastebin above
03:51	Fastly	ths_settings.xml:
03:51	Fastly	<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>
03:51	Fastly	<settings prefix="ths">
03:51	Fastly	<setting name="test">foobar</setting>
03:51	Fastly	</settings>
03:52	Wombert	...
03:52	Wombert	as I said, you need <configurations><configuration>
03:52	Fastly	http://pastebin.ca/292968
03:52	Fastly	isn't that for config_handler.xml?
03:53	Wombert	no
03:53	Fastly	as in the last pastebin
03:53	Wombert	look
03:53	Wombert	this <configuration> thing
03:53	Wombert	wraps the actual config contents
03:53	Wombert	and allows to specify settings per environment and/or context
03:53	Wombert	you don't have to do it this way, but v-dogg did :)
03:53	Wombert	(have to do it = have to write the handler that way)
03:56	Fastly	ok so now ths_settings.xml =http://pastebin.ca/292973
03:57	Fastly	still getting
03:57	Fastly	Configuration file "D:/httpdocs/ths-v3/app/config/ths_settings.xml" does not have a registered handler
03:57	Fastly	when i try: AgaviConfigCache::checkConfig("config/ths_settings.xml")
03:57	Wombert	AgaviConfigCache::checkConfig(AgaviConfig::get('core.config_dir') . '/ths_settings.xml');
03:58	Wombert	as I said
03:59	Fastly	hmm... ok
03:59	Fastly	Strict Standards: date() [function.date]: It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. Please use the date.timezone setting, the TZ environment variable or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected 'Europe/London' for '0.0/no DST' instead in D:\httpdocs\ths-v3\app\lib\ConfigDirectivesConfigHand
03:59	Wombert	okay
03:59	Wombert	then do as it says there
03:59	Fastly	31: $retval = sprintf($retval, date('m/d/Y H:i:s'), $code);
04:00	Fastly	is there a timezone identifier there?
04:03	Fastly	ok i just added date_default_timezone_set('GMT'); above
04:05	Fastly	sweet... now the config is being compiled!! httpdocs_ths-v3_app_config_ths_settings.xml_development_.php
04:05	Fastly	includes AgaviConfig::set('ths.test', 'foobar');
04:06	Fastly	but for some reason $this->setAttribute('test', AgaviConfig::get('ths.test')); in a view and <?= $template['test'] ?> in a template yields nothings
04:06	Fastly	nothing
04:09	Fastly	do i need to do anything more to actually get agavi to read the compiled config cache... now it's compiling it at runtime
04:11	Fastly	does $this->setAttribute('test', AgaviConfig::get('ths.test')); in a view execute() method look correct to you?
04:12	Fastly	hmm... shouldn't it be AgaviConfig::Import in the compiled config?
04:13	Fastly	or maybe that's just for arrays of data
04:14	Wombert	of course, you have to load the config file before you can use the data defined in it
04:15	Fastly	how?
04:16	Fastly	i've got AgaviConfigCache::checkConfig(AgaviConfig::get('core.config_dir') . '/ths_settings.xml');
04:16	Fastly	so i assume this just creates the compiled config
04:17	Fastly	i assume there's a similar method of loading this compiled config, right?
04:18	Wombert	no, this loads it
04:18	Wombert	the compilation happens on demand
04:18	Wombert	the next time it is loaded, the compiled version is used
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04:19	Fastly	hmm... i'm confused, so how do i read these config settings now they have been compiled?
04:19	Fastly	AgaviConfig::get('ths.test') didn't wory
04:19	Wombert	my bad
04:19	Wombert	checkconfig isn't enough of course
04:20	Fastly	i'm looking at AgaviConfigParser
04:20	Wombert	nah nah
04:20	Wombert	not that
04:20	Wombert	use import() instaed of checkConfig()
04:21	Fastly	SWEEEEEEET!! :-)
04:21	Fastly	ok, that for me was a major blocker in my migration to 0.111
04:21	Fastly	0.11
04:22	Wombert	it works now?
04:22	Fastly	do you recommend using AgaviConfigCache::import(AgaviConfig::get('core.config_dir') . '/ths_settings.xml'); separately in each file that needs it, or is there somewhere i could place this import so the settings are auto-imported and available throughout the code at runtime?
04:23	Wombert	you have several options
04:23	Wombert	I recommend you do this in config.php
04:23	Fastly	e.g. i don't need to import settings.xml to get hold of core.app_name
04:23	Wombert	oh no wait
04:23	Wombert	uh
04:23	Wombert	yeah I know what you mean
04:23	Wombert	do it in index.php after bootstrap()
04:24	Wombert	or write a custom filter
04:24	Wombert	or wait until we come up with something else ;)
04:24	Fastly	hmm... i have an idea... how about improving config_handlers.xml
04:24	Wombert	it might be a good idea to extend settings.xml so you can have your own stuff
04:24	Fastly	e.g: <handler pattern="%core.config_dir%/ths_settings.xml" class="ConfigDirectivesConfigHandler" autoload="true" />
04:25	Wombert	it still wouldn't know _which_ file(s) to load
04:25	Fastly	hmm...
04:27	Fastly	it will know the config handler and the settings xml?
04:27	Fastly	...
04:27	Fastly	all AgaviConfigCache::import needs is the path to the settings xml, right?
04:29	Wombert	yeah
04:29	Wombert	seriously, that's a _code_ thing
04:29	Wombert	not gonna happen
04:29	Wombert	there is a 1000 ways you can do it
04:29	Wombert	and loading a file that can be included but doesn't require a certain context to run in is a super edge case
04:30	Fastly	ok, i'll take your word for it and v.happy that i can progress with this migration
04:30	Wombert	:)
04:30	Fastly	thanks so much for your help and apologies for having to ask so many questions
04:30	Wombert	if you don't like the index.php thing you could also write a filter that loads the data or whatever
04:30	Wombert	but as I said
04:31	Wombert	it might be wise of us to add support for
04:31	Wombert	<settings prefix="whatever">
04:31	Fastly	i'm gradually getting to grips with all the 0.11 improvements
04:31	Wombert	to settings.xml
04:32	Fastly	yeah
04:32	Fastly	however maybe it's a good idea too to separate the user generated and core settings files
04:32	Fastly	custom_settings.xml may be an idea?
04:32	Fastly	with the same schema as settings.xml
04:32	Fastly	including prefix
04:33	Wombert	mmmh not so sure bout that
04:33	Wombert	I think one file is enough
04:33	Wombert	we have too many configs already
04:33	Wombert	kaos?
04:34	Fastly	i suppose this is only autogenerated the once right...
04:34	Fastly	if you're using the agavi command line prog
04:34	kaos	that prefix thing should be added, yes
04:34	kaos	its just a small thing too
04:35	Wombert	will do it
04:36	Fastly	well guys, thanks so so much - i'm off to bed.
04:36	Fastly	Wombert, you're a legend.
04:36	Wombert	ah yeah I should go to bed, too ;)
04:36	Wombert	heh thank you
04:36	Wombert	see you tomorrow then!
04:36	Wombert	and nevermind the asking
04:36	Wombert	that's why we're here
04:37	Fastly	once my knowledge grows i'd me more than happy to help answering questions and contributing docs etc..
04:37	Fastly	just getting my head around the various changes
04:37	Fastly	goodnight
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15:55	v-dogg	:-o
15:56	kaos	trac.agavi.org
15:56	kaos	the first effect ;)
15:57	v-dogg	alrighty
15:57	kaos	oh, and svn checkins are disabled
15:57	kaos	but i doubt anybody cares bout that ;)
15:58	v-dogg	I was just about to... ;9
15:58	v-dogg	)
15:59	kaos	sure :D
15:59	kaos	switch to svn.agavi.bitxtender.net then ;p
15:59	v-dogg	ok... :D
16:13	v-dogg	wtf... why does string validator imply min=0?
16:13	v-dogg	er.. min=1
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16:27	kaos	because min=0 means value not set means the validator will not be run
16:27	kaos	err
16:27	kaos	if the stringlength=0
16:30	kaos	one solution is required=false
16:31	kaos	or i can change the validator now that it can handle that case
16:32	v-dogg	yep, required is not handled at the moment
16:32	v-dogg	that's what confused me. I had max=50, no min and required false
16:33	v-dogg	and I thought '' would pass the validation
16:39	kaos	hmm
16:39	kaos	it should
16:48	kaos	and now to the funny thing ... configuring exim in a way which allows a central mail server and forwarding to local mail servers (for the mailing lists ....) thats fun ^^
16:49	v-dogg	configuring exim is always <33
16:49	kaos	oh yeah :D
16:49	kaos	the first time i set exim up i was following an howto
16:49	kaos	maybe 5-6 printed pages
16:49	kaos	took me 3 days
16:49	kaos	xD
16:50	v-dogg	I have browsed thru such a how-to one time and decided not to even try :)
16:50	kaos	hehe
16:50	kaos	well, it still works :D
16:50	kaos	and that was 3 years ago or so
16:51	kaos	did some changes, but the base system is still from that tutorial
16:51	kaos	but exim is really cool
16:51	kaos	i will just add some new field to the database to power the forwards i need for the mailing lists
16:51	kaos	and exim config is rather programming exim ;)
16:51	kaos	you know where pcre has its origins ?
16:52	v-dogg	no
16:53	kaos	exim ;)
16:53	v-dogg	ok :)
16:53	kaos	exim configs are really powerful
16:54	kaos	even the "system file" lookups are done in the config
16:54	kaos	but the "syntax" (if you can call that strange thing a syntax :P) is really confusing :D
16:55	kaos	condition = ${if eq{} {${lookup mysql {SELECT username FROM users WHERE username='$local_part' AND domainname='$domain' AND status='1'}}}{no}{yes}}
16:55	kaos	xD
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17:30	shoan	hey guys
17:30	Wombert	y0y0y0
17:30	shoan	h0h0h0h0
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18:08	v-dogg	wooot
18:30	Wombert	y0
18:35	kaos	yay
18:35	kaos	my evil mail setup plan seems to work
18:35	kaos	:]
18:38	v-dogg	kaos ze evil elektronische post configuratz0r
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18:39	kaos	hrhr
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04:49	Wombert	LUKE
04:49	Wombert	I
04:49	Wombert	AM
04:49	Wombert	YOUR FATHER
04:51	luke`	:p
04:51	Wombert	OBI-WAN DIDN'T TELL YOU, DID HE
04:54	luke`	Finally registered the nick :)
04:55	Wombert	I like shoan better :<
04:56	luke`	heh! Its still shoan underneath ;)
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06:03	Wombert	slaps impl
06:03	Wombert	vacations?
06:03	impl	whu
06:07	Wombert	http://www.box.net/
06:07	Wombert	awesome
06:07	Wombert	( http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/05/6433/ )
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09:20	eremit	morn ...
09:22	ttj	Mornin'.
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10:35	v-dogg	offs... our isp ordered a ssl cert for our www-server so that clients (browsers) would stop bithcing about the self-signed cert
10:36	v-dogg	...and of course they managed to get the cert from an issuer which is not trusted by nokia's phones
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14:19	Whisller	hi :)
14:28	v-dogg	good day
14:28	Whisller	hmmm
14:30	Whisller	very dark
14:30	Whisller	I hate this weather
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18:31	Wombert	okay guys
18:31	Wombert	DNS has been updated, flush your caches, then the new server should work
18:38		Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: servers moved, use "ipconfig /flushdns" (Win), "lookupd --flushcache" (OS X) or "/etc/rc.d/init.d/nscd restart" to force DNS updates :: latest: 0.11 RC 1 :: www.agavi.org :: http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ if you want to use SVN :: Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness :: We're looking for documentation contributors and developers :: http://trac.agavi.org/mi
18:39	digitarald	hey guys, any news since 22th?
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19:44	Wombert	OOOH SNAP
19:45	Wombert	HOLY MOTHER OF GOD :>>> this is so sexy
19:45	ttj	What is?
19:47	Wombert	the new execution flow stuff
19:47	Wombert	no more actionstack bullshit
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19:47	Wombert	this gives some pretty nice new abilities
19:47	Wombert	at least I hope so
19:48		Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: latest: 0.11 RC 1 :: server transition complete (flush DNS cache if necessary) :: http://www.agavi.org :: http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ if you want to use SVN :: Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness :: We're looking for documentation contributors and developers :: http://trac.agavi.org/milestone/0.11 :: irc logs http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/
19:50	Wombert	Could not find Action "___________" for module "Default"
19:51	Wombert	eww
19:51	Wombert	ah
19:51	Wombert	haha
19:51	Wombert	is stupid
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19:51	impl	<pipp> hello friendly symfonoids
19:51	impl	WE NEED A TRENDY NAME LIKE THAT
19:51	Wombert	agavians?
19:51	Wombert	<:
19:51	impl	Agavarians
19:52	Wombert	plus we're beyond where you have to be trendy or anything
19:52	impl	It's never too late to be trendy
19:52	ttj	Yeah, we have classic style.
22:40	Wombert	Welcome to the Agavi Sample Application
22:40	Wombert	woooot!
22:40	Wombert	dances
22:55	v-dogg	tell us
22:56	Wombert	action stack thrown out
22:56	Wombert	and everything works like a charm
22:56	Wombert	but I still gotta change some things
22:56	Wombert	example
22:56	Wombert	if a view returns something to forward to...
22:56	Wombert	should that happen globally?
22:56	Wombert	or for that slot
22:58	v-dogg	pkefc
22:59	v-dogg	everyone here should already recognize that
22:59	v-dogg	do you?-)
22:59	v-dogg	http://tinyurl.com/pkefc
22:59	Wombert	xDDDD
22:59	Wombert	and what is that supposed to tell me
23:00	Wombert	did you read that in the email? xDDD
23:00	v-dogg	yes :)
23:00	v-dogg	from now on when somebody is having troubles with their computers you can just say: pkefc
23:00	Wombert	xDD
23:01	v-dogg	that almost sounds like a little annoying sigh :)
23:04	Wombert	re
23:04	Wombert	well
23:04	Wombert	I guess it annoys you guys more than me
23:04	Wombert	I get a kick out of it every time I pull it ;)
23:04	Wombert	anyway
23:04	kaos	can you change the uid of a script in bash ? O_o
23:04	Wombert	hmmm
23:04	Wombert	this forward stuff
23:04	Wombert	sucks
23:04	kaos	someone has a clue ? :D
23:04	Wombert	slaps eremit
23:04	Wombert	he would know
23:05	v-dogg	kaos: pkefc!
23:05	kaos	:D
23:05	Wombert	that would be one solution xD
23:05	v-dogg	oh but wait, that's mac stuff!
23:05	v-dogg	mac == linux :O
23:05	Wombert	mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux
23:05	kaos	well, the same problem would occur on a mac tho ;p
23:06	Wombert	it's teh power of unix without ze suck
23:06	kaos	since its open source shit :P
23:07	v-dogg	haha
23:07	ttj	Wombiezombie is spreading FUD. :-/
23:07	v-dogg	mm... fudge
23:11	Wombert	:>>>
23:11	Wombert	I need _the_ idea to rework forward() so it doesn't deal with this global response shit anymore
23:11	Wombert	but I don't know how :<
23:14	v-dogg	any news on ze layout guy?
23:14	Wombert	ah
23:14	Wombert	nope
23:14	Wombert	slaps splatch
23:14	Wombert	you there mate?
23:16	foresth	windows > mac > linux
23:16	foresth	:>>>
23:17	Wombert	falls over
23:27	v-dogg	fight!
23:28	v-dogg	let me now who won, I'm going to bed
23:28	v-dogg	n
23:28	Wombert	nn
23:28	ttj	Compaq Tru64 UNIX V5.1B (Rev. 2650), babeh!
23:29	Wombert	that sounds pretty crappy
23:29	ttj	:P
23:29	Wombert	;)
23:29	ttj	SunOS 5.8? Eww...
23:30	ttj	5.10...
23:49	eremit	kaos: can you change the uid of a script in bash ? O_o
23:49	eremit	^^ chown ?
23:49	kaos	no
23:49	kaos	of the running script
23:49	kaos	but i solved it already ;)
23:49	kaos	doesn't work like i want it to :D
23:50	Wombert	eremit: problem was that mailman's cgi wrapper script must run as www-data
23:50	Wombert	but the web server runs as "agavi"
23:50	Wombert	and well
23:50	Wombert	lunix showed it's crappiness again ^^
23:59	eremit	nothing must run as something in linux env's ,,,
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00:00	Wombert	eats yet another hanuta
00:05	ttj	eats chocolate.
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00:36	Wombert	ttj: I got this everything-is-boring-which-makes-me-depressed thing going again
00:38	ttj	Well, it's the end of the year...
00:38	Wombert	wtf is that supposed to mean
00:39	ttj	I always get a bit depressed at the end of December, since I always unconsciously do some introspection and notice how the past year sucked, again.
00:40	Wombert	awww come on
00:40	ttj	Well, go read some bullshit that the guys at Gartner write. It'll make you feel better.
00:40	Wombert	whenever I get in a bad mood... it seems to be for no reason
00:40	Wombert	which is even more depressing
00:41	ttj	http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2006/04/05/a-conversation-with-mark-tluszcz/
00:45	Wombert	how could a VC jackass make me feel better
00:45	ttj	A VC jackass? :P
00:45	ttj	The guy made 180 million by just backing Skype. Hardly a jackass. Or at least a lucky jackass. :P
00:47	Wombert	allpeers
00:47	Wombert	is that this weird firefox plugin?
00:47	ttj	No idea.
00:48	Wombert	anyway, it bores the hell out of me xD
00:48	ttj	Well, get drunk and stop complaining?
00:50	Wombert	ah yes right that would be issue #2
00:50	Wombert	nobody is in the mood today
00:50	ttj	So?
00:50	Wombert	and I don't wanna get drunk alone
00:50	Wombert	so...
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03:18	MrJeep	hi
03:18	Wombert	hi MrJeep
03:18	MrJeep	what's up ?
03:18	Wombert	not much
03:18	Wombert	I was about to go to bed, so if you have a question...
03:19	Wombert	shoot! :)
03:19	MrJeep	hehe, I don't have any questions. I was just hanging around on mirc
03:19	MrJeep	see if anyone had a good christmast time
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03:22	MrJeep	well
03:22	MrJeep	I don't want to hold you longer
03:22	Wombert	yeah I had a good time during the christmas days
03:22	Wombert	I hope you, too
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10:12	Wombert	y0y0y0
10:14	v-dogg	hey
10:16	v-dogg	how's the new exec flow coming together?
10:18	Wombert	mmmh
10:19	Wombert	well I had an idea for the last remaining issue
10:19	Wombert	it's not perfect, but I'm not sure there is a better way
10:19	Wombert	anyway, shower ->
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10:49	Wombert	I have the distinct feeling that this day will see a lot of commits :)
10:53	v-dogg	\o/
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11:18	Wombert	well
11:18	Wombert	maybe this day isn't so cool after all
11:18	Wombert	I can out of apricot jam
11:19	Wombert	which is absolutely necessary to get started with coding in the morning
11:19	Wombert	and for some odd reason the coffee tastes like crap
11:19	Wombert	literally.
11:19	Wombert	oO
11:19	Wombert	impl: still awake?
11:19	Wombert	"I ran out of..." of course
11:43	Wombert	http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/archives/2006/12/122806.html
12:21	Wombert	I have to say
12:21	Wombert	I really like "port"
12:22	Wombert	it does, for some reason, take the "suck" out of *nix
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14:31	Wombert	You just found the #1 place to buy nonsense at low prices!
14:31	Wombert	mmmmhmmm
14:31	Wombert	this works very well
14:31	Wombert	and should consume less memory, too
14:33	v-dogg	very cool
14:33	Wombert	yep
14:33	digitarald	Morning fellows
14:33	Wombert	action attributes are now set directly on the execution container
14:33	Wombert	and the view uses these, too
14:33	Wombert	no more tossing data around
14:34	Wombert	I'll now move the render mode stuff to the containers as well
14:34	Wombert	after that, decorators inside decorators should be possible
14:34	digitarald	i hope u had a nice christmas/hanukkah
14:34	v-dogg	what new features this well enable? forwarding within a slot?
14:34	Wombert	also, filter chains are now initialized using the context again, not using the response
14:34	Wombert	v-dogg: yes, that will work, too
14:34	v-dogg	nice
14:34	digitarald	working on the new execution flow?
14:35	Wombert	also, you do $filterChain->execute($container) now (Filter::execute(AgaviFilterChain, AgaviExecutionContainer)
14:35	Wombert	that way, you can swap the execution context on the fly and redirect somewhere during a filter run
14:35	Wombert	not sure if there's a use case for that yet, tho
14:35	Wombert	I'll see if I can build the security filter that way
14:35	Wombert	it would then do it's job without a forward
14:36	Wombert	anyway, the only real issue left is handling forwards() regarding the response
14:36	Wombert	merge it back into the global response, append it, stuff like that
14:37	v-dogg	puuuuuuuuh
14:37	Wombert	there is not really a proper way to do it, unfortunately, but I have a rather good idea already, will see if that works out
14:37	Wombert	the problem is that right now, if render mode is RENDER_VAR, nothing is done, and otherwise, the response from the container is appended to the global response inside forward()
14:37	Wombert	which sucks because... well this appending shit sucks
14:37	Wombert	and
14:37	v-dogg	it's been an extremely busy week. I'm beat
14:38	Wombert	it couples the filter chain run, which per se is decoupled from forward once executed, back to forward()
14:38	Wombert	same with the dispatching...
14:38	Wombert	I don't like it, but I can't imagine something better either
14:38	Wombert	maybe I'll move all the forward() code into ForwardingFilter
14:38	Wombert	hmm yeah that is a pretty good idea actually
14:38	Wombert	ponders that
14:39	v-dogg	anything I can help with? I decided not to do _any_ work anymore this year :)
14:39	Wombert	hmh no
14:39	Wombert	that sucks
14:39	Wombert	heh, very wise of you ;)
14:39	Wombert	not much right now
14:39	v-dogg	well, almost nothing :)
14:39	Wombert	have a look at the validation stuff if you like
14:39	Wombert	and see if kaos did it right this time
14:40	Wombert	splatch: ping
14:42	splatch	pong
14:42	v-dogg	what about writing docs
14:42	Wombert	splatch: have you heard from darek lately? :)
14:42	Wombert	I emailed him but he didn't answer yet
14:42	splatch	Wombert: yes
14:44	splatch	Wombert: he will wrote to you today
14:44	Wombert	splatch: awesome :) thanks
14:44	splatch	Wombert: btw I've idea
14:44	splatch	or feature request
14:44	splatch	for 1.0
14:44	Wombert	I emailed him last week or the week before or so with ICQ logs in case he forgot what we were talking about :)
14:45	Wombert	shoot!
14:45	v-dogg	javascript helper!
14:45	splatch	at now config files and XML Schemas haven't namespaces, but for java and eclipse integration I need files with namespaces
14:45	digitarald	:D
14:45	splatch	to bind data from XML to Java beans
14:46	digitarald	javascript helpers for prototype?
14:46	splatch	digitarald: yes, we need us! :)
14:46	v-dogg	AgaviView::addJavascript
14:46	Wombert	splatch: hmmm
14:46	digitarald	i have this implemented
14:46	Wombert	no, no, no, AgaviAction::setJavascriptOpenTag();
14:46	Wombert	xD
14:46	digitarald	addCss, addJavascript, addJavascriptInline
14:46	Wombert	holy
14:46	Wombert	shit
14:47	Wombert	I need admin rights on this channel :< now :<
14:47	Wombert	splatch: any idea how that works with xml schema?
14:47	digitarald	i want ajaxactions :)
14:47	Wombert	i.e. how do I allow arbitrary namespaces
14:47	v-dogg	had bob vanished totally?
14:47	Wombert	v-dogg: nope, not at all, he emailed me yesterday
14:47	v-dogg	ok
14:47	Wombert	only took a handful of hours until he changed the DNS entries
14:47	splatch	Wombert: yes, config handlers must base on namespaces not on tag names
14:47	Wombert	that's why the server move went so smooth
14:48	Wombert	splatch: hmm but how do I know the namespace in the xml schema
14:48	Wombert	or how does that work
14:48	Wombert	because I can do
14:48	splatch	Wombert: targetNamespace="my-namespace"
14:48	splatch	and tns: prefix
14:48	splatch	to use in types
14:48	Wombert	<foobar:configurations xmlns:foobar=".......">
14:48	Wombert	<foobar:configuration>
14:48	splatch	<element name="validators" type="tns:Validators" />
14:48	Wombert	right?
14:49	Wombert	ewwww but doesn't that require we use "tns" in config files everywhere
14:49	splatch	no
14:49	splatch	<c:configurations xmlns:c="..."><configuration>
14:49	splatch	childs without prefix
14:50	splatch	Wombert: can Agavi Integration Tools for Exlipse be commercial?
14:50	Wombert	uuuuh
14:50	Wombert	why?
14:51	splatch	complex support and integration with framework
14:52	Wombert	hm
14:52	Wombert	yeah but why make it commercial? ;)
14:52	splatch	commercial = one license for 5 euro
14:53	splatch	I make it commercial because i must learn eclipse :)
14:53	Wombert	scratches head
14:54	Wombert	if you don't know eclipse, that's one more reason against making it commercial ;)
14:54	splatch	Wombert: i know basic fundaments
14:54	splatch	but i can create views and preference pages
14:54	splatch	problem is editors
14:55	Wombert	yeah but still, why not make it open source
14:55	Wombert	we could bundle an eclipse integration package
14:55	Wombert	or make it available as a separate download on the website
14:55	splatch	30 day trial? :)
14:55	Arme[N]	or it could be in AgaviForge :)
14:56	Wombert	you're free to do whatever you like, splatch, but I don't see the point in making it commercial
14:56	Wombert	it's not much value
14:56	Arme[N]	btw, hi and merry christmas :)
14:56	Wombert	all you could do is automate action/view/template creation and stuff like that
14:56	Wombert	right?
14:56	v-dogg	anyone know any php5 wiki translators?
14:57	Wombert	zomg he used the w word
14:57	Wombert	v-dogg: what do you mean?
14:57	Wombert	markup compilers?
14:57	v-dogg	yep
14:57	splatch	Wombert: support for editing all config files, templates editing and others
14:57	Wombert	splatch: but I can edit the templates already with eclipse?
14:58	Wombert	or the config files
14:58	splatch	yes, but not with agavi code assistant
14:58	Wombert	"agavi action" :p
14:58	splatch	Wombert: plugins can be open source, but i want to "contributor" been a code-house
14:58	Arme[N]	v-dogg: the only one I know is Text_wiki in PEAR but it is PHP4 :(
14:58	v-dogg	Arme[N]: and afaik it sucks :)
14:59	v-dogg	tried it sometime ago
14:59	Wombert	v-dogg: markdown or ReStructured text
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14:59	Wombert	splatch: mmmh I still don't see much point in it
14:59	Wombert	people can use the xsds to validate the configs at runtime
15:00	Wombert	and everything else is just plain php
15:00	splatch	as i said, plugins can be open source
15:06	Wombert	ponders
15:06	Wombert	how about throwing away forward()
15:06	Wombert	and having ExecutionContainer::execute()
15:07	Wombert	that would be rather cool
15:07	Wombert	I think
15:07	Wombert	you could run actions etc when and whereever you like
15:07	Wombert	(almost)
15:07	Wombert	hmmmmm
15:07	Wombert	i like that
15:07	Wombert	who else likes that
15:07	Wombert	v-dogg ?
15:11	v-dogg	sounds nice
15:12	Arme[N]	how Wombert?
15:12	v-dogg	how would forwarding work then?
15:12	Wombert	you wouldn't forward anymore
15:12	Wombert	you construct an execution container and run it
15:12	Wombert	it wraps the entire execution flow
15:12	Wombert	like forwrad() used to
15:13	Wombert	appending the response to another one or so would be your job then
15:13	Wombert	forwarding from the view would work the same, by returning an array
15:13	v-dogg	so I could, in a View, execute another action and use it's output?
15:14	Wombert	this exec flow change doesn't break much code anyway... only the action stack is gone, your filters have to be changed slightly (new signatures) etc
15:14	Wombert	no, you couldn't right now, because of the old request::getParaemteters locking thing
15:14	Wombert	but we could find a way
15:14	v-dogg	so how would I forward?
15:15	Wombert	like now, return array('Module', 'Action');
15:15	Wombert	from the view
15:15	Wombert	I think
15:15	Wombert	not 100% sure about it
15:15	v-dogg	that's what I wanted to hear :)
15:15	Wombert	if there is a better way, we can change that, too
15:15	Wombert	if I can find a safe way to prevent direct access to the request inside action and view, we could add action chains
15:16	Wombert	I was thinking, for instance, that you don't create the exec container directly, but rather grab a fresh instance from the context
15:16	Wombert	this instance would have a non-public key it can use to access the request
15:17	Arme[N]	hmm, interesting
15:20	splatch	Wombert: huh, i forgot, I must wrote OPT renderer :)
15:20	Wombert	heh
15:20	Wombert	splatch: wait a bit until I'm done with this stuff
15:20	Wombert	I'm changing the renderers, too
15:22	splatch	Wombert: ok, give me a singnall when renderers will be ready
15:22	Wombert	splatch: sure
15:22	Wombert	I think I'll finish everything today
15:22	Wombert	we could then merge the branch back tonight or tomorrow
15:29	v-dogg	hey, this markdown thingy is nice
15:33	Arme[N]	hmmm
15:33	Arme[N]	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_lightweight_markup_languages
15:33	Arme[N]	http://bluebones.net/2005/02/humane-text-formats/ too
15:33	splatch	time to go
15:34	splatch	byt everyone!
15:34	Wombert	bye splatch
15:34	Wombert	textile.... just sucks
15:34	Wombert	I don't like restructured text because links are VERY very ugly
15:34	Wombert	markdowhn is a little better
15:36	Arme[N]	it seems there is a HTML import tool for markdown
15:37	Wombert	http://www.michelf.com/projects/php-markdown/
15:38	Wombert	the exytras package allows tables and footnotes and stuff,too
15:38	Wombert	very nice
15:40	Arme[N]	yeah in http://www.michelf.com/projects/php-markdown/extra/
15:40	Arme[N]	really nice
15:40	v-dogg	yep, that's what I'm using now
15:43	Arme[N]	http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?WikiMarkupStandard
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19:19	impl	Wombert: I am now ;p
19:20	impl	(eight hours later)
19:21	foresth	which irc client do you use on mac?
19:28	Wombert	foresth: www.colloquy.info
19:30	Wombert	foresth: http://osx.iusethis.com/tag/irc
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21:52	MrJeep_	hi
21:52	MrJeep_	is there some doc on agavi about installing phing ?
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22:24	Wombert	MrJeep: pear install channel://pear.phing.info/phing
22:24	Wombert	you mgith need pear config-set auto_discover 1 first
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23:40	foresth	Wombert, any news from agavi webdesigner?
23:47	Wombert	no
23:56	foresth	unfortunate :\|
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00:34	Wombert	http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/29/more-ad-fights-bmw-sends-jags-tail-between-legs/
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02:22	Wombert	impl: ping
02:22	impl	pong
02:23	Wombert	you might be delighted to hear that I'm working on the ability to bring back action chains
02:23	impl	:D
02:23	impl	is quite delighted
02:25	Wombert	impl: a question tho
02:25	Wombert	or
02:25	Wombert	can you show me a view that uses chains
02:25	Wombert	(m2)
02:26	impl	Sure
02:27	impl	http://pastebin.ca/296185
02:28	Wombert	so the point of these is
02:28	Wombert	that the output is available immediately
02:28	Wombert	hmh
02:28	Wombert	but, really, isn't that exactly the same as slots?
02:28	Wombert	I mean
02:28	Wombert	slots to the same thing
02:29	Wombert	except you don't have to run the action and assign the result yourself
02:29	Wombert	-to +do
02:29	impl	I think you /should/ have to assign the result yourself
02:29	Wombert	why
02:29	Wombert	:<
02:29	impl	There's no reason to create a special case in the view for actions
02:29	impl	suppose someone wants to call a method from some other project
02:29	impl	should we provide $this->setModuleFromPHPNuke() ?
02:30	impl	It works much better when we say that everything is simply an attribute
02:30	impl	special cases == more code == redundancy == not good
02:30	Wombert	heh, well, now it can be separated (optionally)
02:31	Wombert	the thing is that a slot or an action in a chain doesn't only produce output
02:31	Wombert	but also other response information
02:31	impl	So have ActionChain::fetchResult return a Response object
02:31	Wombert	does it have to be a chain?
02:31	Wombert	hmm
02:31	impl	Well, I'm not exactly sure what the point of that is tbh
02:32	Wombert	it's just a helper, right?
02:32	Wombert	probably so you can run multiple actions in a batch
02:32	Wombert	now, you'd do
02:32	impl	Yeah
02:32	impl	Of course this brings up the question of ::forward again
02:32	Wombert	forward is R.I.P. already ;)
02:32	impl	oh ;p
02:32	Wombert	$side = $context->createExecutionContainer('Portfolio', 'Side', array($optionalArguments));
02:33	Wombert	$side->execute();
02:33	Wombert	$side->getResponse();
02:33	Wombert	or
02:33	Wombert	$output = $context->createExecutionContainer('Portfolio', 'Side', array($optionalArguments))->execute()->getResponse()->getContent();
02:33	Wombert	;)
02:33	impl	I get the feeling you don't like the new keyword very much
02:33	Wombert	the only difficulty will be this request locking thing
02:34	Wombert	well
02:34	Wombert	you can do it by hand
02:34	Wombert	however
02:34	Wombert	you have to construct the object
02:34	Wombert	then initialize it
02:34	Wombert	also, it could be YourCustomExecutionContainer
02:34	impl	hmmh, how much initialization does ExecutionContainer need?
02:34	Wombert	the main reason is that it uses a factory pattern to create instances of the class you defined in the config
02:35	Wombert	without it, you'd need five lines instead of one to create and init an instance
02:35	impl	I almost feel like it should be ExecutionContainer::createInstance() (static) or something
02:35	impl	is that in svn now?
02:35	Wombert	not possible
02:36	Wombert	static wouldn't work with contexts which can be configured independently
02:36	Wombert	no, not yet
02:36	impl	mmmh
02:36	Wombert	you're not headed to bed are you
02:36	impl	Nope, not for another 6 hours or so
02:36	Wombert	I still have some work to do, give me half an hour or an hour
02:36	impl	I think
02:36	Wombert	cool
02:36	impl	Something like that
02:36	impl	Okay :)
02:38	Wombert	another thing
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02:39	Wombert	forward() used to check if the item that was just executed contained a "next" item, and, if yes, it forward()ed to that
02:39	Wombert	now, $container->execute() would do the same thing
02:39	Wombert	OR
02:39	Wombert	the calling code is responsible for that
02:39	Wombert	that would be a lot cleaner, imo, but likely not as convenient
02:39	Wombert	I could add an action chain helper that handles this automatically, tho
02:39	Wombert	example
02:40	impl	So you could do forward with no arguments?
02:40	Wombert	$container->execute();
02:40	Wombert	if($container->hasNext()) {
02:40	Wombert	$container->getNext()->execute();
02:40	Wombert	{
02:40	Wombert	}}
02:40	impl	Mmmm
02:40	Wombert	well the idea would be to make execute() really _only_ run the action that it was told to run
02:40	Wombert	without any side effects
02:41	Wombert	I gotta think about this again in a minute, I guess
02:41	impl	I'm not sure I follow the purpose of it yet
02:41	impl	i'm going to look through the ::forward code
02:41	Wombert	it's at the very end
02:41	Wombert	impl: hold on
02:42	Wombert	before, you used to just call forward() in your AddAction or AddSuccessView to run the ViewAction
02:42	Wombert	besides the fact that it's better to redirect() anyway
02:43	Wombert	this had the problem that the forwraded output was produced BEFORE the output of the calling code
02:43	Wombert	that's why we now do
02:43	Wombert	return array('Portfolio', 'View');
02:43	Wombert	from the view
02:43	Wombert	control runs back through all the filters until forward()
02:43	Wombert	where the code then forwrad()s to Portfolio/View
02:44	impl	Goodness this is complicated
02:44	Wombert	no nested calling, filters run back cleanly etc
02:44	Wombert	plus it's easier to merge responses together
02:44	Wombert	which, otherwise, is a real nightmare
02:44	Wombert	and another thing we gotta look into in a couple of minutes
02:48	Wombert	oooh crap
02:48	Wombert	hmmmmh
02:48	Wombert	hmmmmmh
02:48	Wombert	mmmhmmmh
02:48	Wombert	I think we _do_ need an action chain helper
02:48	Wombert	oh bloody hell what happens if
02:48	Wombert	mhm
02:48	Wombert	this sucks
02:48	Wombert	beh
02:49	impl	O_o
02:49	Wombert	impl: help
02:49	impl	I'm soo lost
02:49	Wombert	know what a render mode is?
02:49	Wombert	RENDER_VAR, RENDER_CLIENT or RENDER_NONE
02:49	impl	like RENDER_VAR?
02:49	impl	Yeah
02:49	Wombert	set globally on the controller
02:49	Wombert	which sucks
02:49	Wombert	so we move it to the container
02:49	Wombert	each one has his/her own render mode
02:49	Wombert	sucks, too
02:49	Wombert	we need something else
02:49	Wombert	suggestions?
02:50	impl	per-view?
02:50	impl	View::getRenderMode
02:50	impl	?
02:50	Wombert	well maybe not at all stuff like render modes
02:50	Wombert	see... what if my container runs as RENDER_VAR, but a forward runs a container that is RENDER_CLIENT
02:50	Wombert	etc
02:50	impl	Yeah
02:50	impl	That would be a Bad Thing
02:50	impl	Hmmm
02:51	impl	well...
02:51	Wombert	the problem is
02:52	Wombert	RENDER_CLIENT isn't really easy to do anymore anyway
02:52	impl	Can we force RENDER_VAR on containers that are running under a RENDER_VAR container?
02:52	Wombert	I'd like to get rid of that entire concept tbh
02:52	impl	okay
02:52	Wombert	hmm
02:52	Wombert	hmm
02:52	Wombert	ponders
02:52	impl	Well
02:52	impl	Can we separate all output to something else?
02:52	impl	and have /everything/ just return its output?
02:52	Wombert	the thing is
02:52	Wombert	yep
02:53	Wombert	I decoupled it so far that nothing can _set_ it's output anyway
02:53	Wombert	it holds it in the response (which is in the container) and the calling code is responsible for outputting it or whatever
02:53	Wombert	hmm
02:53	Wombert	hmm okay
02:53	Wombert	so the only thing left is
02:53	Wombert	this jumping-to-"next"-action
02:54	impl	I think it should be up to the individual views
02:54	Wombert	or should we throw that out altogether
02:54	Wombert	technically, people could now do it on their own
02:54	impl	if they want to forward somewhere they can do it themselves
02:54	Wombert	the charming thing is that you can swap a container DURING execution without the calling code even realizing it
02:54	impl	this hasNext()/getNext() business looks to be nothing but confusing
02:54	Wombert	which is pretty nice
02:54	Wombert	no reasonable use case for it, but... well xD
02:54	impl	Why would you ever want to do that? :P
02:54	Wombert	yes, it is fecking ugly, but how else should we do it?
02:55	Wombert	that next() stuff
02:55	Wombert	brb gonna make myself a cup of tea
02:56	impl	Let's just get rid of it
02:57	Wombert	you mean next()
02:57	Wombert	but how do you do that then
02:57	Wombert	or not at all? only redirects?
02:58	Wombert	I can hear the whining already
02:58	impl	Blah
02:58	impl	$executionContext->forward()
02:58	impl	or container
02:58	impl	rather
02:58	Wombert	capsule would be a cool name, too, I figured
02:58	impl	I don't understand the whole hasNext() / getNext() thing
02:58	Wombert	we can't use context, it's too confusing
02:59	Wombert	well
02:59	impl	It doesn't seem useful
02:59	impl	I mean, forwards are sensitive to the conditional code around them
02:59	Wombert	say we have out AddProductSuccessView, right?
02:59	Wombert	our
02:59	Wombert	and
02:59	impl	Yeah
02:59	Wombert	say we are morons
02:59	impl	haha, okay
02:59	Wombert	so we don't redirect() to the new resource, give the borwser a URL etc, but instead, we wnat to forwrad back to the ViewProductAction and show the product
02:59	Wombert	we would do
03:00	Wombert	return array('Default', 'ViewProduct', array('id' => $insertId));
03:00	Wombert	from the view
03:00	Wombert	then, once we hvae been rendered (let's say no output here) and control passed back through the filter chain to controller::forward()
03:00	Wombert	hasNext() is true
03:00	Wombert	and getNext() will give the above array
03:00	Wombert	which is then used to make a forward() call
03:01	Wombert	et voila, the ViewProductAction runs
03:01	Wombert	array('id' => $insertId) were additional request args
03:01	Wombert	got it?
03:01	Wombert	before, you would have done
03:01	Wombert	$request->setParaemter('id', $insertId);
03:01	Wombert	$controller->forward('Default', 'ViewProduct');
03:01	Wombert	inside the view
03:02	impl	Why do we need a getNext()
03:02	Wombert	well
03:02	Wombert	I have no idea
03:02	Wombert	if someone wants to have something run after the current action finished...
03:02	Wombert	should we throw it out? :D
03:02	impl	Yes
03:02	Wombert	okay
03:03	Wombert	tomorrow is a saturda
03:03	impl	We can make an Action::deinitialize() or something
03:03	impl	if you feel that strongly about it
03:03	impl	:P
03:03	Wombert	digitarald and eremit won't be back at work until tuesday to beat me up ;)
03:03	impl	hehe
03:03	Wombert	nah that sucks even more
03:03	impl	Okay ;)
03:03	Wombert	remember, redirecting to something else is presentational
03:03	impl	Then they can stick the damn code at the end of View::execute
03:03	Wombert	well they can't, really
03:04	impl	Why? :P
03:08	Wombert	how would you do it
03:09	Wombert	btw
03:10	Wombert	createExecutionContainer() would also receive a unique key it can use to access request parameters
03:10	Wombert	at least I hope I can do it that way
03:13	Wombert	hmm
03:13	Wombert	I must say I like it this way
03:13	Wombert	a lot cleaner
03:13	Wombert	without the next crap
03:14	Wombert	Welcome to the Agavi Sample Application
03:14	Wombert	:>
03:15	impl	:P
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04:13	Wombert	did they hang saddam yet?
04:13	Wombert	impl: another problem
04:14	impl	I don't think so
04:14	Wombert	"manual" action chains created inside the execute() method of the view
04:14	Wombert	will all be cached
04:14	impl	45 minutes I think
04:14	Wombert	or, rather, fine-grained caching is impossible
04:14	Wombert	it might even turn out not to be possible to move decorate() out of the view
04:14	impl	:s
04:14	Wombert	because the execution filter must know quite a bit of stuff about how the execution in the view works
04:14	Wombert	so he can cache accordingly
04:15	Wombert	I might be able to move some caching logic helpers into the view to handle that
04:15	Wombert	but that would still only allow decorating views to enjoy full caching pleasure
04:15	Wombert	not ordinary ones
04:15	Wombert	(ordinary ones being those where you build and run chains by hand)
04:16	Wombert	I still find it stupid. it does exactly the same thing as slots, but without the convenience
04:16	impl	Why can't the cache work on an individual action basis?
04:16	Wombert	it does
04:16	Wombert	but
04:16	Wombert	view::execute() isn't run
04:17	Wombert	but inside view::execute(), you run the action chain
04:17	Wombert	unlike with slots, which are only defined in execute(), so I can cache their definitions, and then they are run after execute() returns
04:17	Wombert	that makes it also possible to say "cache this action, do not cache the entire decorator, and include slot B in the cache, but slot A should still be run"
04:18	impl	This is really screwing with my mind ;x
04:18	impl	maybe it's my headache
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04:18	Wombert	shall I explain anything?
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04:19	impl	I don't know :s
04:19	Wombert	what part didn't you understand?
04:19	impl	I don't think I understand how caching works at all
04:19	Wombert	simple
04:19	Wombert	let's first recap how execution in general and slots in specific work
04:20	Wombert	we reach execution filter
04:20	Wombert	validation and blah occurs
04:20	Wombert	then action::execute() is run
04:20	Wombert	it returns information on the view to run
04:20	Wombert	this view is then run
04:20	Wombert	inside execute, no rendering occurs, but instead, only definitions are made
04:20	Wombert	which template to use
04:20	Wombert	which slots to run
04:20	Wombert	and so on
04:21	Wombert	after execute(), we have all this information
04:21	Wombert	so we can render the actual content template
04:22	Wombert	after that, each slot is rendered, and the presentation data for each slot, along with the actual content output, is handed to the decorator function, which assembles everything using the decorator template
04:22	Wombert	now let's say we want to cache this
04:22	Wombert	the simple approach is where we just cache the entire output
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04:22	Wombert	that is, including the decorator, which means we also have the slots included
04:22	Wombert	on a cache hit, no rendering occurs, neither action nor view get execute() called, and no slots are ever run
04:22	Wombert	the entire response data is pulled from the cache
04:23	Wombert	now, if the cache definition says "do not include the decorator template", then only $template['content'] will be cached
04:23	Wombert	this cached data will be handed to the decorator template, which is rendered as usual
04:23	Wombert	which also means that all slots are run as usual
04:23	Wombert	the information about which decorator template to use and which slots to run is included in the content cache
04:24	Wombert	it has to be, because this stuff is set up in view::execute(), but we don't want to run that one
04:24	Wombert	of course, since slots are just normal actions, you could set up caching instructions for a slot, and instaed of executing the slot etc, it would be pulled from the cache
04:24	Wombert	this is completely transparent to the "parent", though
04:25	impl	how do you make a 'cache definition'
04:25	impl	?
04:25	Wombert	caching.xml
04:25	Wombert	config file that tells which actions to cache
04:25	Wombert	for which request methods
04:25	Wombert	which views to cache, and which not
04:25	Wombert	which output types to cache, which not
04:25	impl	okay
04:25	Wombert	which request attribs to restore etc
04:25	impl	So why does that need to depend on slots?
04:25	Wombert	the other, better, alternative (because it's faster) is to instruct the caching system to include a slot directly in the cache that is generated
04:26	impl	I can't think of a use case when you'd want to cache an action in one scenario and not cache it in another
04:26	Wombert	that way, slot b won't even be run anymore, but immediately restored
04:26	Wombert	the thing is
04:26	Wombert	inside ViewProductSuccessView::execute
04:26	Wombert	you define and run the action chain
04:26	Wombert	but if a cache hit occurs
04:26	Wombert	execute is never called
04:26	Wombert	thus, your action chain is never called
04:26	Wombert	thus... well go figure
04:27	impl	mhhh
04:27	Wombert	the point is that in case of actions chains, the execution itself happens inside view::execute(), whereas with slots, only the _definition_ takes place there, and the execution happens afterwards
04:27	Wombert	did you understand it now?
04:27	Wombert	if not, I'll explain it again
04:27	impl	Yeah, I get it
04:27	Wombert	nevermind :) I want you to understand it so you can toss in your ideas
04:28	impl	Okay...
04:28	impl	Well
04:28	impl	hmm
04:28	Wombert	a common use case is where a slot displays a "random product"
04:28	Wombert	you cannot cache that
04:28	impl	Why not make ActionChain have a cache?
04:28	Wombert	so you don't cache the decorator, only the inner content of the action that was just run
04:28	Wombert	that can't work
04:28	Wombert	remember... inside execute(), the action chain is run
04:28	Wombert	but execute() will never be called!
04:29	Wombert	so how do we know what to run
04:29	Wombert	we cannot figure that out
04:29	impl	what if we do run it?
04:29	Wombert	we can't
04:29	impl	Why?
04:29	Wombert	if we run it, we have to cache _all_ action attributes
04:29	Wombert	which makes things slow
04:29	Wombert	plus it's not guaranteed to work
04:29	impl	blah
04:29	Wombert	think of objects that require a certain state
04:30	Wombert	and cannot be unserialized
04:30	Wombert	or they'd re-open a database conneciton (in case of propel)
04:30	Wombert	or view::execute() makes a call to the db
04:30	Wombert	etc etc etc
04:30	Wombert	that would defeat the point of caching
04:30	Wombert	we could hvae some preRender() method or something but...
04:30	Wombert	mmh
04:30	Wombert	that would suck wouldn't it
04:31	impl	Yeah :\
04:31	Wombert	also
04:31	Wombert	with the new stuff, I'll make it possible to use slots inside the content template
04:31	Wombert	without having to use a decorator template
04:31	Wombert	plus, slots can do forwards
04:31	Wombert	well they could if we hadn't just thrown that out but anyway
04:32	Wombert	it'll be 100% identical to action chains
04:32	Wombert	except that the syntax and the time of execution is different
04:32	Wombert	is that so bad? :(
04:32	impl	I feel like we're compromising flexibility for a rigged attempt at making caching work
04:33	Wombert	caching is absolutely necessary
04:33	Wombert	we cannot do without it
04:33	Wombert	also, I tend to thinkt that an execution flow which does not allow to be cached is stupid
04:34	Wombert	which means I think action chains are stupid ;)
04:34	Wombert	would you happen to have an example where action chains can do something slots can't?
04:35	impl	blar
04:35	impl	I guess I just have really strange preferences
04:35	Wombert	xD
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05:45	Wombert	looks like they hanged him
05:45	Wombert	well I can go to bed then xD
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06:43	Wombert	re
06:43	Wombert	stabs impl
06:43	impl	unh
06:44	Wombert	I can't sleep
06:44	Wombert	gotta continue coding then ;)
06:44	Wombert	kaos and I had an idea
06:44	Wombert	we should put "normal" request info, files and maybe cookies into one "repository"
06:45	Wombert	because... well... the validation system wasn't really designed with multiple "sources" in mind :S
06:46	impl	O_o
06:46	Wombert	next issue...
06:46	Wombert	autologin filter
06:46	Wombert	cookie
06:46	Wombert	malicious data
06:46	Wombert	blah
06:46	impl	blah.
06:46	Wombert	so validation must be usable independently of actions
06:46	Wombert	mmmh
06:47	Wombert	ooooh yesss that's all so crappy
06:49	Wombert	holy mother of...
06:49	Wombert	duuuuuude
06:49	Wombert	we could
06:49	Wombert	zomg :>
06:49	Wombert	output types per execution container, that sounds rather cool to me
06:49	Wombert	gotta think about if that works or not
06:50	impl	shouldn't output type be per-request?
06:50	Wombert	well
06:51	Wombert	the last point to set the output type is view::initialize
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09:30	v-dogg	huomenta
09:33	raidman	huomenta
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09:36	v-dogg	so they hung Sadd
09:37	v-dogg	is the world now a better and more fair place?
09:41	foresth	well.. it's all the same
09:41	foresth	evil produces evil
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11:42	foresth	need a little help..
11:42	foresth	'Invalid validation mode "tainted" specified'
11:46	foresth	replaced by strict
11:46	foresth	now I am getting xml parsing error..
11:52	benny_	foresth, see http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/1335
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11:57	benny_	foresth, got it?
12:02	foresth	yop, thanks.. yet another error in translation.xml
12:02	foresth	the zip package seems to be ill :)
12:08	foresth	uff
12:08	foresth	Welcome to the Agavi Sample Application
12:08	foresth	\o
12:08	foresth	:)
12:11	benny_	:)
12:11	benny_	i've already send in a patch for the sample app...seems wombert didn't apply it to the zip files
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18:15	Wombert	Welcome to the Agavi Sample Application
18:15	Wombert	:)
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20:51	v-dogg	Wombert: read the log from this morning?
20:53	v-dogg	could you perhaps build a nightly build to get rid of the problem?
20:54	v-dogg	I take it the patch has been commited to svn
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Day changed Sun Dec 31 2006
01:07	CIA-11	dominik * r1446 /branches/0.11/src/config/defaults/autoload.xml: add missing autoload definitions for validation
01:09	CIA-11	dominik * r1447 /branches/0.11/src/config/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
01:09	CIA-11	allow multiple <settings> blocks which can define a prefix to their settings (defaults to 'core.')
01:09	CIA-11	closes #375
01:47	v-dogg	this is for custom configuration?
01:47	Wombert	yes
01:47	Wombert	<settings prefix="com.acme.someapp.">
01:48	Wombert	remember the last dot
01:48	Wombert	if you want to use dots, that is ;)
01:48	v-dogg	yep, nice
01:48	Wombert	also, you can now use pregs for environment and context attribs (CIA didn't get the commit)
01:48	Wombert	v-dogg: you celebrating with the missus and brother and all?
01:48	Wombert	new year, I mean
01:51	v-dogg	both of our parents are going to come to our place for the night
01:51	Wombert	cool
01:52	Wombert	in case I don't see ya and/or forget
01:52	Wombert	have a very happy new year
01:52	v-dogg	same to you friend
01:56	v-dogg	what are your plans for the night?
02:03	v-dogg	ups.. "0.11 final will arrive before the end of the year." :)
02:03	Wombert	well xD
02:03	v-dogg	just leave it like that and if somebody asks (after tomorrow) we mean 2007
02:03	Wombert	the boyfriend of a friend of mine lives some... uh... fuck if I know
02:04	Wombert	100km?
02:04	Wombert	out of munich
02:04	Wombert	I'll drive down there for dinner
02:04	Wombert	and then go back to munich, not sure yet if before or after midnight
02:04	Wombert	and meet up with some friends
02:04	Wombert	a bit of trouble, but I promised her to join them back when the guys all said they had different plans for the night so...
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02:06	v-dogg	to bed ->
02:06	Wombert	have a good night mate
02:06	v-dogg	night
02:06	Wombert	I'll wrap up this exec flow stuff
02:06	Wombert	impl: ping?
02:10	impl	Hi
02:10	impl	Wombert: pong
02:13	Wombert	y0y0
02:13	Wombert	I'll check the changes into my branch later
02:14	impl	:)
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05:57	Wombert	hmmm
05:57	Wombert	impl: hmmm
05:57	Wombert	I could abstract the slots
05:58	Wombert	so a setslot() call really only
05:58	Wombert	hmm
05:58	Wombert	hmmm
05:58	Wombert	sets information about "related" actions to run
05:58	Wombert	and render() only deals with variables
05:58	Wombert	so... no more decorate()
05:58	Wombert	decorate() and render() in views to almost the same thing anyway
05:58	Wombert	the execution filter would be responsible for doing the decoration
05:59	Wombert	or maybe even the view, so an AgaviDecoratingView contains the logic that performs the decoration
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13:03	v-dogg	Wombert: when when when?!
13:03	v-dogg	ze new exec flow
13:25	Wombert	re
13:25	Wombert	morning v-dogg
13:41	v-dogg	morn
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14:35	Wombert	v-dogg: I guess I gotta throw out rendering filters (see latest ticket)
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15:39	v-dogg	Wombert: alrighty
15:42	v-dogg	I haven't had the time to follow your work that much recently but you have my full support :)
15:42	Wombert	heh xD
15:42	Wombert	thanks
15:43	v-dogg	have you read this guys blog: http://blog.php-security.org/
15:44	v-dogg	fanatic (to the amount that gets annoying) but funny and has some valid points
15:45	Wombert	yeah it's syndicated on planet-php.net
15:45	Wombert	he is a huuuuge moron and very annoying, I can understand why people get tired of listening to him
15:45	Wombert	but yes, his points are mostly valid
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16:04	splatch	hello
16:05	Wombert	hi splatch
16:05	splatch	Wombert: you tokt with Darek?
16:05	Wombert	uuuh
16:05	Wombert	I didn't talk to him, no
16:06	splatch	any progress with site? ;)
16:06	Wombert	nope
16:06	splatch	:(((
16:06	splatch	but.. kazek will live with me
16:06	Wombert	haven't heard from him since november ;)
16:07	splatch	I'll have one's eyes on Darek :)
16:08	splatch	btw today i read about Spring Web Flow
16:08	splatch	but i don't made any code
16:09	splatch	idea is cool, we have any flow, for example shipping
16:09	splatch	the flow is order
16:10	splatch	we have many steeps, like use address, sending manner, integration with pay systems etc
16:11	Wombert	so it's a chained flow of small operations?
16:11	splatch	yes
16:11	splatch	it's a flow
16:11	splatch	web flow give ready blocks
16:12	splatch	for example decission point
16:12	splatch	decission point is router
16:12	splatch	if user want to we pack order we have a sub flow
16:13	splatch	where he can give information about paper etc
16:13	splatch	when sub flow done, we back to main flow
16:14	splatch	actions returns a Event objects
16:14	splatch	with names
16:14	splatch	just like in Agavi
16:15	splatch	return (Action, View)
16:15	splatch	but in Web Flow all is configured in xml flow definition
16:15	Wombert	but these are individual pages?
16:16	Wombert	to solve, for instance, the common multi-page-form problem?
16:16	splatch	there is a view selectors
16:16	splatch	you can wrote own flow elements
16:16	splatch	Wombert: there is a MultipageAction if i remember
16:17	splatch	you extend MultiAction class
16:17	splatch	and give in flow definition method name
16:17	splatch	public Event $name(RequestContext context)
16:19	Wombert	nmmm
16:19	splatch	Wombert: you can read about this in web flow reference
16:19	Wombert	multiaction class, interesting
16:19	Wombert	yeah do you have a link?
16:19	splatch	sure
16:19	Wombert	I have to go now but I'll be back in an hour or so
16:19	Wombert	see you then!
16:20	splatch	http://static.springframework.org/spring-webflow/docs/1.0.x/reference/index.html
16:21	splatch	http://static.springframework.org/spring-webflow/docs/1.0.x/spring-webflow-reference.pdf
16:21	splatch	and pdf :)
16:22	splatch	bye
16:22	splatch	i must go.. :)
16:22	splatch	happy new year :)
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Log closed Mon Jan 01 00:00:52 2007