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01:24 < Trevize> Hi
01:24 < Wombert> welcome
01:25 < Trevize> What happened to Mojavi? Is it dead?
01:25 < Wombert> yep
01:25 < Trevize> That's weird...
01:25 < Trevize> In which version did Agavi fork off Mojavi?
01:26 < Wombert> last 3.0-dev revision
01:26 < CIA-1> david * r1069 /trunk/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php: FormPopulationFilter: implemented remaining items 3 and 6: support for skipping re-population of certain fields and full support for [] fields (i.e. fields with auto-generated indices). closes #327
01:26 < Wombert> but agavi 0.11 is very different
01:26 < Wombert> give it a shot ;)
01:26 < Wombert> but do not use 0.10.2 from the website
01:26 < Wombert> use SVN instead
01:26 < Wombert> trunk is stable enough for produciton
01:26 < Wombert> a release is imminent, too
01:26 < Wombert> we have many exciting new feature
01:26 < Wombert> s
01:26 < Trevize> A possible employer told me they are working with Mojavi 2.0, and he told me to install it as homework..
01:26 < Wombert> mojavi2?
01:26 < Wombert> oO
01:27 < Wombert> that's php4
01:27 < Trevize> Yes. Maybe I should worry that they are staying in the past?
01:27 < Wombert> well
01:27 < Wombert> it's your decision
01:28 < Wombert> if you ask me, I would prefer _not_ to have a job where I have to code PHP4
01:28 < Wombert> because it's a real pain in the arse ;)
01:28 < Wombert> outdated technology never is a good idea
01:28 < Trevize> My current work is like that.. hmm.. you mean it's bad because of the object oriented problem?
01:28 < Wombert> remember that PHP5 has been stable for two years now
01:28 < Wombert> in the IT world, that's... a very, very long time
01:29 < Wombert> yes, partly because the OO is very messy
01:29 < Wombert> PHP5 certainly allows for cleaner code
01:29 < Trevize> Bah. Many hosting sites don't even have MySQL 4.1
01:29 < Trevize> Even that it's been stable for 2 years as well
01:29 < Wombert> think abstract classes, type hints in declarations, interfaces, iterators etc etc
01:29 < Wombert> yes, but then, most client projects don't run on shared hosts ;)
01:30 < Wombert> if a client can afford hiring a company to develop an application, they can also afford <100 dollars a month for a dedicated server
01:30 < Wombert> let me put it this way
01:30 < Wombert> if you get a job where you may code PHP5
01:30 < Wombert> AND
01:30 < Wombert> use agavi
01:30 < Wombert> it's gonna be absolute heaven
01:30 < Wombert> if not, your mileage may vary
01:31 < Wombert> ;)
01:32 < Trevize> I can't be very picky. I'm kinda desperate - or maybe I shouldn't be?
01:32 < Wombert> we have a very nice routing (a _lot_ better than the solutions other frameworks offer), good security, full i18n based on the entire unicode CLDR data (that means you can format dates, and the month names will be in hebrew automatically; also, you can fetch a list of languages, countries, regions etc in hebrew etc etc etc), a nice filter concept, good performance, sweet stuff such as auto form-repopulation etc
01:32 < Wombert> hmm
01:32 < Wombert> well
01:32 < Wombert> _are_ you desperate?
01:32 < Wombert> I'm not sure what the job market looks like in israel
01:33 < Wombert> you're from israel, aren't you?
01:33 < Trevize> Sort of. I'm 30 and still living with my parents
01:33 < Trevize> Yup, I'm from Israel
01:33 < Trevize> And I love UTF-8.
01:33 < Wombert> that's good
01:33 < Wombert> because we support it from A to Z
01:33 < Wombert> but let's focus on your job issue thing first
01:34 < Wombert> so you have a job right now?
01:34 < Wombert> but it sucks?
01:35 < Trevize> Yup
01:35 < Trevize> I work from home
01:35 < Wombert> but not self-employed?
01:36 < Wombert> did you consider moving to another country or so?
01:36 < Wombert> I heard jake's company needs programmers ;)
01:36 < Wombert> but they are in Seattle, US
01:36 < Trevize> If they send me a flying ticket, maybe
01:36 < Trevize> but I'm addicted to Israeli folk dnces
01:36 < Wombert> lol :>
01:37 < Wombert> well let's focus on israel then
01:37 < Trevize> dances
01:37 < Trevize> so it's a problem
01:37 < Wombert> how
01:37 < Wombert> I mean
01:37 < Trevize> Even that there are good Israeli folk dances in NYC
01:37 < Wombert> aren't there many job opportunities?
01:37 < Trevize> Not in PHP, I'm afraid
01:37 < Wombert> oO
01:37 < Wombert> what's popular then?
01:38 < Wombert> java?
01:38 < Trevize> Java and .NET
01:38 < Wombert> you could certainly learn java in no time
01:38 < Wombert> it's not much different from PHP
01:38 < Wombert> a week and you know your way around the code
01:38 < Trevize> I think .NET is more popuplar
01:38 < Trevize> popular
01:39 < Wombert> after all, you're a programmer, you know how to code already, and a language is just the "tool" to make stuff work the way your brain wants it
01:39 < Wombert> do you have a university degree or so?
01:39 < Trevize> Not yet
01:39 < Trevize> I plan to, some day
01:39 < Wombert> so you're a student?
01:39 < Wombert> hmm
01:39 < Trevize> Actually I tried learning computer science, but the math killed me
01:40 < Wombert> yes, the CS maths sucks big time
01:40 < impl> Ooh, I want some partial differential equations
01:40 < Trevize> God curse Infinitesimal math
01:41 < Wombert> impl: yuck
01:41 < Trevize> So.. what I plan to do is just to try learn .NET alone
01:42 < Wombert> Trevize: my advice would be to expand your field of knowledge
01:42 < Wombert> that would include learning another language or two
01:42 < Wombert> or, even better, study CS
01:42 < Wombert> where the latter implies the former anyway, so that might be the way to go
01:43 < Trevize> Studying CS takes at least 3 years
01:43 < Trevize> I need a job now..
01:43 < Wombert> if not, and if you can't get another job, take the mojavi2 job now
01:43 < Wombert> http://mojavi.net/
01:43 < Trevize> ... which is down. :*(
01:43 < Wombert> no
01:43 < Wombert> click the link ;)
01:44 < Trevize> oh right. .net
01:44 < Wombert> it's a japanese site and they still have mojavi 2.0.3b2
01:44 < Wombert> and no "www" ;>
01:44 < Wombert> once you have the job, you can try to convince your company to switch to PHP5+agavi
01:44 < Wombert> an enterprise framework saves trouble and money ;)
01:45 < Trevize> Why did Mojavi die? Is there any news article about it?
01:45 < Wombert> for example, you write the code to list all products _once_ and then you can deliver it as HTML, RSS, SOAP, whatever you want
01:45 < Wombert> well
01:45 < Wombert> first of all, the development wasn't "open"
01:45 < Wombert> a single person (Sean Kerr) developed it alone
01:45 < Wombert> people had few insight on what was going on etc
01:46 < Wombert> he eventually gave up and handed the project to another bloke called "illusina" (don't remember his real name)
01:46 < Trevize> Sounds like a feminine handle
01:46 < Wombert> he worked on mojavi4, but then the web server crashed, all data was lost and he abandoned the project again
01:46 < Wombert> nah he was male
01:46 < Trevize> Ha, no backups?
01:46 < Wombert> mojavi3 was never released
01:46 < Wombert> nope
01:47 < Wombert> agavi is a fork of mojavi, but it's very different from the original
01:49 * Trevize tries to install the old Mojavi
01:50 < Trevize> There doesn't seem to be an INSTALL file. So what, I should like just extract it under htdocs?
01:50 < impl> Trevize: Do you have 2.0.2?
01:51 < impl> If not I can send it to you
01:51 < Trevize> impl: Yup. The one from the Japanese site
01:51 < Wombert> Trevize: I'm afraid I don't know _anything_ about M2, so I can't help you
01:51 < impl> There's a Japanese site? :s
01:51 < Wombert> http://mojavi.net
01:51 < impl> Whoa
01:51 < impl> WEIRD
01:53 < Trevize> No documentation there
01:53 < Trevize> uffff
01:53 < impl> Trevize: index.php goes in your public html directory
01:54 < impl> Trevize: The other files can go anywhere on your filesystem you can access
01:54 < impl> config.php is in your webapp dir
01:54 < impl> You need to customize it to your liking
01:54 < impl> And include that config.php from your [public index.php
01:54 < impl> s/[//
01:54 < Trevize> can I put it in a subdirectory?
01:55 < impl> Sure
01:55 < Trevize> (index.php)
02:00 < Trevize> Customizing now
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02:07 < Trevize> What's the "all in one class file"? I am supposed to include it in config.php
02:18 < impl> Trevize: It's just the contents of the lib/ directory all packed into one file
02:19 < impl> optimization, basically
02:19 < Trevize> I think it's supposed to be mojavi-all-classes.php
02:21 < Trevize> Ok. Now I'm getting FATAL [C:\Program Files\Apache Group\Apache\htdocs\mojavi\mojavi-all-classes.php:1391] Invalid configuration setting(s): ERROR_404_MODULE (Default) or ERROR_404_ACTION (PageNotFound)
02:25 < impl> That means the PageNotFound action doesn't exist
02:27 < Trevize> I chaned the PageNotFound action to "default", and now it gives me a similar error
02:29 < Trevize> "Default", more precisely
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03:31 < Trevize> Thanks for all the help
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05:36 < CIA-1> dominik * r1070 /trunk/src/translation/AgaviLocale.class.php: make the locale work with the format returned by the ldml config handler
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07:08 < CIA-1> dominik * r1071 /trunk/src/translation/data/ (406 files in 2 dirs): cldr data release 1.4
07:09 < CIA-1> dominik * r1072 /trunk/src/translation/data/locales/__test.xml: this doesn't belong to here
07:09 < CIA-1> dominik * r1073 /trunk/src/core/Agavi.class.php: new core.cldr_dir setting
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07:19 < CIA-1> dominik * r1074 /trunk/src/config/ (3 files in 2 dirs): cldr supplemental data config handler
08:14 < CIA-1> david * r1075 /trunk/ (12 files in 8 dirs):
08:14 < CIA-1> made it possible to still modify the response after redirecting by using the
08:14 < CIA-1> Response instance returned by Controller::redirect(). Threw out the 'dirty' flag
08:14 < CIA-1> from Response. All Controllers (must) have a redirect() now. Sort of refs #184
08:41 < CIA-1> dominik * r1076 /trunk/src/util/AgaviDecimalFormatter.class.php: fix handling of currency symbol char in utf8
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09:22 < raidman> morning #agavi
09:25 < Wombert> hi :)
09:29 < raidman> :)
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12:18 < shoan_> Wombert: you there?
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12:19 < shoan> anybody using apc?
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14:07 < digitarald> More and more i18n ... i love agavi :)
14:09 < digitarald> when u need mojavi documentation: http://www.peterrobins.co.uk/it/mojavi/tutorial1.htm
14:40 < raidman> I wonder how can I freez hell?
14:40 < raidman> the hell!
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17:17 < Wombert> re
17:17 < Wombert> shoan: ?
17:17 < Wombert> digitarald: ?
17:57 < digitarald> here
18:12 < Wombert> digitarald: http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1075
18:36 < digitarald> oh nice, the cookie solution
18:38 < Wombert> yes
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19:44 < CIA-1> dominik * r1077 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): more locale handling stuff
19:44 < CIA-1> dominik * r1078 /trunk/src/config/AgaviLdmlConfigHandler.class.php: remove debug output
19:44 < splatch`> hello all!
19:44 < CIA-1> dominik * r1079 /trunk/src/translation/AgaviCurrencyFormatter.class.php: use new locale method names
19:44 < Wombert> splatch`: hi
19:45 < Wombert> btw did you talk to your designer friend yet? :)
19:46 < splatch`> Wombert: they haven't free tame
19:46 < splatch`> He looking for a new job
19:48 < splatch`> Wombert: i have news :)
19:48 < splatch`> they'll made something in this week
19:50 < Wombert> oo
19:50 < Wombert> :>>>
19:50 < Wombert> cool
19:50 < splatch`> :]
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20:41 < CIA-1> david * r1080 /trunk/ (5 files): updated licensing and copyright information
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20:44 < Wombert> hey jake
20:44 < Wombert> I improved the redirect stuff a bit
20:44 < Wombert> I'm afraid I still haven't found a proper solution to allow multiple forwards
20:45 < Wombert> err
20:45 < Wombert> redirects, I mean
20:45 < splatch`> when forum will start? :)
21:00 < jake> thanks for looking into it Wombert
21:08 < Wombert> jake: the problem is that I still have to lock the response so no unwanted output arrives together with the forward, such as a comment by ExecutionTimeFilter etc
21:09 < Wombert> I now changed it so you can at least still modify the response and set a cookie, for example
21:09 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1075
21:10 < Wombert> are you using agavi-trunk in development yet?
21:13 < jake> not yet, no
21:13 < Wombert> i18n is almost complete btw
21:13 < jake> reading the diff now
21:13 < Wombert> $req->setLocale('en_US@currency=EUR'); etc
21:14 < Wombert> we're still doing some testing and stuff, but so far, most things work pretty well
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21:15 < Wombert> oh and
21:15 < Wombert> I'm looking into adding SOAP and XMLRPC support right now
21:22 < CIA-1> david * r1081 /trunk/LICENSE: fixed license file info
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21:43 < CIA-1> dominik * r1082 /trunk/src/translation/ (6 files): added phpdocs
22:06 < CIA-1> david * r1083 /trunk/ (COPYRIGHT INSTALL LICENSE docs/docbook/manual.xml): INSTALL, LICENSE, COPYRIGHT and docs update
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23:07 < splatch`> Wombert?
23:07 < splatch`> Einloggen? :D
23:22 < splatch`> anyone online?
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00:04 < CIA-1> dominik * r1084 /trunk/API_CHANGELOG: this should be basicly all changes now
00:09 < CIA-1> dominik * r1085 /trunk/src/action/AgaviActionStackEntry.class.php: phpdoc fixes
00:38 < CIA-1> david * r1086 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): cleanup and type hint fixes
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01:04 < Wombert> jake: so did you hire sean?
01:04 < Wombert> or is he still unable to move to seattle
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01:13 < CIA-1> david * r1087 /trunk/ (samples/pub/index.php src/logging/AgaviMessage.class.php): phpdoc fixes, removed log() method in AgaviMessage
01:14 < CIA-1> david * r1088 /trunk/samples/pub/index.php: oops
01:32 < jake> Yeah, he can't move to Seattle until December, so we're going to look at things again then
01:32 < Wombert> hmmh
01:32 < Wombert> jake: need your advice
01:32 < Wombert> should we drop initialize()
01:32 < Wombert> and use constructors everywhere
01:32 < Wombert> I talked to sean the other day why he used initialize() instead of constructors and he was like "I have no idea"
01:33 < jake> heh
01:33 < jake> I actually can see a reason
01:33 < Wombert> really?
01:33 < Wombert> shoot
01:33 < jake> I think we should keep 'initialize'
01:33 < jake> for this reason; you may want to instantiate an action without having it run it's setup (perhaps for unit testing, pre loading, etc)
01:33 < jake> er, 'its' not it's
01:34 < Wombert> mmmh
01:34 < Wombert> that's a rather good point actually
01:35 < impl> It's also nice to have the ability to separate the setup into two pieces
01:35 < jake> Yeah, I think so. I still use the constructor, to do things that aren't environment specific
01:35 < impl> $o = new something(); /* do more stuff */ $o->initialize();
01:35 < jake> But initialize tends to fetch things from the request object and such
01:35 < jake> yeah, exactly
01:36 < Wombert> guys
01:36 < Wombert> I have to say
01:36 < Wombert> your input was very valuable
01:36 < impl> If you were feeling European you could change it to initialise() though :P
01:36 < Wombert> as usual, I'm glad I ask
01:36 < Wombert> ed
01:36 * Wombert goes find teh big revert button
01:37 < impl> hehe
01:37 < jake> no problem Wombert, we appreciate the asking :)
01:37 < Wombert> speaking of which
01:37 < impl> I'm still working on a solution to slots, I really am
01:37 < Wombert> did you ask your boss to sponsor a trip to europe yet?
01:37 < Wombert> impl: good, good ;)
01:37 < impl> I had a good idea this morning... gonna see how well it works on paper
01:37 < jake> Yeah, I'll know tomorrow
01:37 < impl> I need paper I can write on in the shower
01:37 < impl> :<
01:37 < Wombert> jake: w00t nice
01:38 < Wombert> funny
01:38 < Wombert> I always get the best ideas when I'm in the shower, too
01:38 < Wombert> I always feel a bit embarrassed because that's very geek style
01:38 < Wombert> you know
01:39 < Wombert> thinking about programming when in the shower and all
01:39 < Wombert> mmhmmm
01:39 < impl> Well what else are you supposed to do? :P
01:39 < Wombert> mmmh
01:39 < Wombert> true
01:39 < Wombert> I just wonder what regular people do in the shower
01:39 * Wombert falls over
01:40 < impl> hehe
01:40 < impl> Okay, so here's what I was thinking
01:40 < impl> We take slots out of the view completely and move them into the template
01:40 < impl> So you have a template class
01:40 < impl> And it's just a matter of $template->insert('Module', 'Action');
01:41 < impl> Of course that would only work the PHP renderer
01:41 < impl> But we could extend other templating engines...
01:41 < Wombert> how exactly is that different from the current solution
01:41 < Wombert> I mean
01:42 < Wombert> it makes no difference whether you do it in the template or in the view
01:42 < Wombert> in fact, the template is an element of the view from an MVC standpoint
01:42 < jake> Is there really a benefit to slots? It seems like you can accomplish the same thing by; using the actionchain, rendering to a variable, and displaying how you want
01:42 < Wombert> jake: the thing about the action chain is
01:42 < Wombert> ehm
01:42 < Wombert> I never used M2 but
01:43 < jake> sorry if that's a dumb suggestion, but that's how we accomplished the same thing with m2
01:43 < Wombert> you called the next element in the chain from your action, right?
01:43 < impl> I have to look at actionchains again
01:43 < impl> They confused me greatly the last time I used them
01:43 < Wombert> the thing is
01:43 < Wombert> that slots are always presentational
01:43 < Wombert> they serve no business logic purpose
01:44 < impl> What if you want to call an action within an action just to execute logic?
01:44 < Wombert> so letting your logic (action) decide what slots to run (presentation) is a pretty bad idea
01:44 < jake> There's still some business logic. What to retrieve from the database for display, for instance
01:44 < Wombert> let's say your app has a web interface plus a soap interface
01:44 < Wombert> you then need a view
01:44 < Wombert> because only in the web interface you want to display the slots
01:45 < Wombert> you could of course put some logic into the action then to decide which context or even output type you're serving but
01:45 < Wombert> things get extraordinarily messy then
01:45 < jake> Sure. But that's a different issue. I would create a filter called 'SlotsFilter', which only gets executed in the appropriate context (web)
01:45 < Wombert> what about different output types inside a context
01:46 < Wombert> html, pdf, json are all "web"
01:46 < jake> Sure, but they're just different renderings. Executing the actions would allow for that
01:46 < jake> I'm just trying to understand the _intended_ purpose of slots
01:47 < jake> Because it really seems like a 'trimmed' down version of actions/views (with very little happening in the action)
01:47 < Wombert> actually
01:47 < Wombert> slots are just a normal action/view/template combo
01:48 < jake> yeah, I thought so too. Then why can't slots be accomplished with a modified actionchain?
01:48 < Wombert> how does this action chain stuff work
01:48 < Wombert> I'm sorry, I never used M2
01:48 < jake> Do you have a copy of M2 anywhere?
01:48 < impl> I can pastebin ActionChain.class.php
01:48 < impl> if you want
01:49 * Wombert goes download
01:49 < Wombert> now I have it
01:49 < Wombert> shoot
01:49 < jake> The actionchain is also how we do 'localized' application controllers in m2, besides the code being inefficient, it's very handy
01:49 < impl> jake: iirc (and I haven't used M2 in ages), with actionchains you just instantiated them manually right?
01:50 < jake> no
01:50 < Wombert> can you give me a quick example of how the action chain is used then?
01:50 < impl> $chain = new ActionChain(); $chain->register(...); $chain->register(...); $chain->execute(); ?
01:50 < jake> you do $ac->register('Name', 'Module', 'Action', array('parameters')
01:50 < jake> yeah, exactly impl
01:50 < Wombert> okay
01:50 < Wombert> butz
01:50 < Wombert> uhm
01:50 < jake> then you use fetchResult('Name') to retrieve the rendered result
01:50 < Wombert> doesn't that mean you must know what to register _before_ you run it
01:51 < jake> Of course
01:51 < Wombert> or can you create a _new_ action chain whenever you want
01:51 < Wombert> and run that
01:51 < jake> yeah, you can do that
01:51 < Wombert> e.g. in your view?
01:51 < Wombert> oh
01:51 < Wombert> that's pretty sweet actually
01:51 < jake> yep, wherever you want
01:51 * Wombert thinks about that
01:51 < impl> I used actionchains in the action and then saved them in $request
01:51 < impl> I don't know why, but that's what I did
01:51 < impl> :\
01:51 < Wombert> okay and
01:51 < Wombert> when is the rendering done?
01:51 < jake> Yeah. So we use the Controller class as a front-web controller, and then the action chain allows us to have an application-controller as well
01:51 < Wombert> i.e. where do you assemble the output
01:52 < impl> Wombert: In M2 the renderer was independent of the view
01:52 < impl> So inside View::execute() you'd just say $renderer = new Renderer(); $renderer->setAttribute(...);
01:52 < impl> And stick the output of the actionchain in there
01:52 < impl> Then you returned the renderer, I think
01:52 * impl doesn't remember exactly now
01:53 < jake> you could do that. Or, just do in the view or filter or whatever; $renderer->setAttribute('ThingFromOtherAction', $ac->fetchResult('OtherActionName'))
01:53 < jake> You're right about the view impl
01:53 < Wombert> I see
01:53 < Wombert> and at what point was the template rendered
01:53 < Wombert> and output sent back?
01:54 < impl> Wombert: Let me show you an example from an old app I wrote
01:54 < jake> it's up to you. The content is _rendered_ when you call $ac->execute()
01:54 < jake> but it's displayed whenever you decide to display it
01:54 < impl> Wombert: http://pastebin.ca/188248
02:01 < Wombert> oO
02:02 < Wombert> hmmh
02:02 < Wombert> $controller->dispatch();
02:02 < Wombert> is in the sample index.php
02:02 < Wombert> and at what point is the output sent back
02:02 < Wombert> can't findit
02:03 < Wombert> aaaah
02:03 < Wombert> okay
02:03 < jake> it's not relevant to this discussion. the action chain returns the rendered output in variables, which you can then do what you want with, including outputting them
02:03 < Wombert> it renders that right away because the mode is RENDER_CLIENT
02:03 < Wombert> but if you create a chain
02:03 < Wombert> it's RENDER_VAR
02:03 < Wombert> so you can fetch it
02:03 < Wombert> got it
02:03 < jake> yep, exactly
02:03 < Wombert> jake: yeah I got that I just wondered how the _first_ output (i.e. that of the requested action) is returned
02:04 < Wombert> http://feeds.autoblog.com/~r/weblogsinc/autoblog/~3/30758893/ mmmmh said news and I thought I'd get rich in time to afford one before they stop building them ;)))
02:04 < Wombert> -said+sad
02:10 < Wombert> these existing SOAP and XMLRPC implementations are really frustrating
02:10 < Wombert> they all require you to set up the functions you want to serve beforehand
02:10 < Wombert> I want to use our routing for that
02:10 < Wombert> mmmm000h
02:10 < jake> yeah, we came up with a nice dynamic way to do it though with agavi
02:11 < jake> it didn't require routing either (which wasn't available in the version of agavi we were using)
02:12 < Wombert> I thought about in dispatch() open the SOAP request, check which method it is, register that, __call() will handle the actual forward() call
02:12 < Wombert> is that about what you do?
02:12 < Wombert> I'm not really in the mood to write a full SOAP and XMLRPC server implementation
02:12 < Wombert> so I guess I gotta resort to cheating a bit
02:13 < jake> heh, you don't have to. let me look at code quickly
02:19 < Wombert> thanks
02:20 < jake> So, for Xmlrpc and Soap, I have a controller, request, view and exception class
02:20 < jake> I used the xmlrpc extension, which supports soap 1.1 and xmlrpc
02:21 < jake> The exception knows how to display exceptions appropriately and the xmlrpc and soap controllers make extensive use of them
02:23 < Wombert> okay
02:23 < jake> The request object uses xmlrpc_decode_request and overrides the appropriate methods to set parameters as appropriate
02:24 < jake> the controller doesn't do much except for override dispatch and ensure that we use the appropriate exception types
02:26 < Wombert> aaah
02:26 < Wombert> so you're not using xmlrpc_server_call_method ?
02:26 < jake> then in the XMLRPC/SOAP templates, they do SoapView::output($some_variables), that just does xmlrpc_encode_request
02:26 < jake> Nope, they're not useful in this context
02:26 < jake> The view thing I just said is a hack, but the correct solution is obvious (I think)
02:27 < jake> The 'modern' php implementations for soap and xmlrpc completely suck. In an application like agavi, it's best to just use them for encoding and decoding, not for anything else (like callbacks)
02:28 < Wombert> you know
02:29 < Wombert> I'm surprised that this OO SOAP extension
02:29 < Wombert> doesn't allow to blindly call
02:29 < Wombert> where I could then throw an exception if the method wasn't found or so
02:29 < jake> it blows, it's not really OO. The approach I took started by overriding methods in the OO SOAP extension, but it only supports soap. At least the xmlrpc extension supports xmlrpc and soap 1.1
02:30 < Wombert> interesting
02:30 < Wombert> I planned to support several implementations tho
02:30 < Wombert> because otherwise people will come here and whine about how FubarSoap is better than SnafuSoap
02:30 < Wombert> so I gotta see how to integrate this with the routing
02:30 < jake> You can support as many as you want to. What you're doing is creating a reference implementation
02:30 < Wombert> because we need the ability to define the request method
02:31 < Wombert> e.g. modifying a product is POST => "write"
02:31 < Wombert> getting a list of products is GET => "read"
02:31 < Wombert> and SOAP is always POST
02:32 < Wombert> it's not a _huge_ deal, more like a minor glitch
02:32 < Wombert> still, being able to use the routing to map methods to actions will be nice
02:32 < jake> XMLRPC is always post as well
02:32 < Wombert> yeah
02:34 < Wombert> I'm not toooo familiar with this stuff, so I guess I'll go ahead and implement something and let you and others have a look at it then ;)
02:34 < Wombert> obviously, there will be some interesting situations
02:34 < Wombert> but that's what I want
02:35 < Wombert> that's why I do it now, and not after 0.11
02:35 < Wombert> I want to see, for instance, if the response architecture can really handle this
02:35 < Wombert> where we just set some variables that will later be encoded for XMLRPC etc
02:36 < impl> How is the locale/internationalization support going?
02:36 < Wombert> very good
02:36 < Wombert> actually, it's pretty complete
02:36 < Wombert> at least dominik says so
02:37 < Wombert> we can parse all the CLDR data already
02:37 < Wombert> and it's used, of course
02:37 < impl> Cool
02:37 < Wombert> the only things missing is date formatting and related stuff
02:37 < Wombert> like timezones
02:37 < Wombert> we'll use the olson database for that, by the way
02:37 < Wombert> so you always have accurate DST info, too
02:38 < Wombert> but the other stuff should work already
02:38 < impl> :D
02:38 < Wombert> e.g. $req->setLocale('en_US');
02:39 < Wombert> $tm->_c(23);
02:40 < Wombert> will yield "US$23.00"
02:40 < Wombert> $req->setLocale('de_DE');
02:40 < Wombert> $tm->_c(23);
02:40 < Wombert> will result in "23,00 €"
02:40 < Wombert> and
02:40 < Wombert> $req->setLocale('en_US@currency=EUR');
02:40 < Wombert> will give "€23.00"
02:41 < Wombert> it's pretty un-tested currently
02:41 < Wombert> i.e. no clue if the translators work etc (there's a GettextTranslator)
02:43 < Wombert> and you have to write a simple callback for the routing to set the language based on the locale etc
02:43 < Wombert> note that if you register en_US as available
02:43 < Wombert> you can still simply set "en"
02:43 < Wombert> that'll pick en_US then
02:44 < Wombert> stuff that is interesting for you right now would certainly be $locale->getLanguages()
02:44 < Wombert> and
02:44 < Wombert> errr
02:44 < Wombert> getTerritories()
02:47 < Wombert> note that getTerritories() returns not only countries (two letters) but also geographic regions (three digits)
02:47 < Wombert> all in the locale's language, of course
02:48 < Wombert> you can get calendar names
02:48 < Wombert> calendar info
02:48 < Wombert> script names
02:48 < Wombert> currencies
02:48 < Wombert> everything
02:49 < impl> Cool
03:16 < Wombert> l8rs
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06:41 < ttj> Huomen.
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08:54 < raidman> morning
09:02 < v-dogg> huomenta
09:09 < splatch`> *zieaf*
09:10 < splatch`> hello :]
09:11 < raidman> splatch`, zieaf == morning?
09:12 < splatch`> zief = yawn
09:12 < splatch`> morning = rano
09:12 < splatch`> good-morning = dzien dobry
09:12 < splatch`> we have one version of "good day" ;]
09:13 < raidman> dzien dobry
09:13 < splatch`> on night = dobry wieczor (good night)
09:13 < splatch`> raidman: dzien dobry! :)
09:13 < raidman> do good == dobry
09:13 < raidman> so
09:15 < splatch`> raidman: yes
09:15 < splatch`> raidman: short version it's dobry
09:15 < splatch`> short version of "dzien dobry" :)
09:15 < splatch`> hm.. like morning?
09:16 < raidman> and what's rano?
09:18 < splatch`> raidman: rano minds morn
09:18 < raidman> okey :)
09:18 < splatch`> raidman: simple, not like in english ;)))
09:19 < raidman> yeah ;)
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09:55 < v-dogg> morning germys
10:03 < Wombert> :> hi
10:03 < eremit> morning ...
10:04 < Wombert> following change proposal
10:04 < Wombert> validators get a new sub-tag for specifying input data
10:04 < Wombert> i.e. not in parameters anymore
10:05 < Wombert>
10:05 < Wombert> []
10:05 < Wombert>
10:05 < Wombert> that would be a non-named argument
10:05 < Wombert> more of them could, of course, have a "name" or "for" attribute
10:05 < Wombert> question: which name for that
10:05 < Wombert> "arguments" or "inputs" or what
10:05 < Wombert> "parameters" is, obviously, already taken ;)
10:07 < raidman> Wombert, eremit hi
10:07 < eremit> hi raidman ...
10:08 < raidman> I like parameters
10:08 * eremit gets some coffee and tries to understand wombert ...
10:08 < eremit> if i got everything right ... i would vote for inputs ...
10:09 < raidman> I like parameters because we use setParameters , get... and so in code
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10:10 < raidman> but I think about naming convention for unvalidated (unsafe) parameters
10:11 < Wombert> parameters are stupid
10:11 < Wombert> because they contain the names of the input params to validate
10:11 < Wombert> and configuration options for the validator
10:11 < Wombert> plus the base attribute is in the validator tag and thus has no logical relation to the input param configuration
10:25 < splatch`> Wombert: can you describe the new flow?
10:25 < Wombert> ?
10:26 < splatch`> Wombert: request-action-output types
10:26 < Wombert> I can
10:26 < Wombert> but not now :)
10:26 < Wombert> gotta go
10:26 < Wombert> see you later
10:26 < splatch`> cU
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12:05 < Wombert> re
12:28 < shoan_> Wombert: have you used apc?
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12:28 < Wombert> yeah
12:28 < Wombert> you having some trouble?
12:28 < shoan> does it require compilation of php scripts?
12:28 < Wombert> no, no
12:28 < shoan> i can't understand how the thing works?
12:28 < Wombert> it all works at runtime
12:28 < Wombert> :)
12:28 < Wombert> simple
12:29 < shoan> do I just need to enable the module and thats it?
12:29 < Wombert> PHP is not an interpreter
12:29 < Wombert> it compiles
12:29 < Wombert> and then runs the code
12:29 < Wombert> it's artificially crippled, basically
12:29 < Wombert> so Zend can sell their accelerator thingie
12:29 < Wombert> APC grabs the bytecode compiled by PHP and stores it, either in the FS or in SHM
12:30 < Wombert> when a file is requested the next time, compilation is skipped and the stored bytecode is passed to the execution engine
12:30 < Wombert> all you have to do is enable APC
12:31 < Wombert> extension=apc.so
12:31 < Wombert> auto_globals_jit = Off
12:31 < Wombert> apc.max_file_size = 4M
12:31 < Wombert> is what I use
12:31 < shoan> ah ok
12:31 < eremit> but be aware (require|include)_once can really kill your apc ^^
12:34 < Wombert> unless you use PHP 5.2 w/ latest APC
12:34 < Wombert> and
12:34 < Wombert> Agavi doesn't use _once anymore anyway
12:34 < eremit> but Propel does and it does it often ...
12:34 < eremit> pear also ...
12:35 < eremit> like most 3rd party libs
12:40 < v-dogg> and Zend
12:40 < eremit> i consider zend as 3rd party lib ... and mostly it equals pear :P
12:40 < eremit> at least what i've seen of zend_fw
12:41 < Wombert> compared to ezComponents, zend has an uber fugly architecture, organization and loading mechanism
12:41 < Wombert> onces all over the place
12:41 < Wombert> no autoloading
12:41 < Wombert> etc etc
12:46 < eremit> hmm i must admit there is one thing i like about zend ... their naming conventions and directory layout ...
12:46 < eremit> it was the only thing i felt conformtable with at the very first moment ...
12:51 < splatch`> zend going to some changes in MVC layer
12:51 < splatch`> i saw notes on wiki
12:52 * Wombert ponders
12:53 < Wombert> should I create ServiceRequest etc
12:53 < Wombert> and then subclass these for speciifc implementations (PEAR::SOAP, Zend_XMLRPC etc)
12:54 < Wombert> or ServiceRequest and then SoapServiceRequest which supports a lot of implementations already
12:54 < splatch`> Wombert: service = non browser?
12:54 < Wombert> and you configure which one you want
12:55 < splatch`> Wombert: what service request will do?
12:55 < Wombert> ...
12:55 < Wombert> handle web services?
12:55 < Wombert> :p
12:55 < ttj> Hmm... But does writing SoapServiceRequest bring added overhead and complexity, if you need to enclose various implementations inside it?
12:55 < Wombert> AgaviZendsoapRequest, AgaviZendsoapResponse etc
12:55 < raidman> Ebay and so?
12:56 < Wombert> ttj: that's the question
12:56 < Wombert> we could either offer concrete implementations for each solution out there
12:56 < ttj> Without pondering about it, I would say implementation-specific classes.
12:56 < Wombert> or have one Soap* and one Xmlrpc* that each support the various implementations
12:56 < Wombert> yeah
12:57 < splatch`> Wombert: handle hm.. for soap you must parse only request and format good response, not more
12:57 < Wombert> I first wanted to go with one-class-to-rule-them-all but I guess that's a better idea
12:57 < splatch`> Wombert: AgaviZendsoapResponse's wrong
12:57 < Wombert> splatch`: and a routing and, maybe, a controller
12:57 < Wombert> no, it is not
12:57 < splatch`> zend?
12:57 < splatch`> what for?
12:57 < splatch`> Wombert: AgaviSoapResponse's good
12:57 < ttj> The one-class-to-rule-them-all would be an elegant way to do it, yes, but I don't know how maintainable that will be in a real world scenario.
12:58 < raidman> what you thing about somthing like abstraction layer?
12:58 < raidman> think*
12:58 < Wombert> what do you mean
12:58 < Wombert> abstraction layer?
12:59 < ttj> I think raidman is suggesting the one-class-to-rule-them-all approach.
12:59 < raidman> yeah
12:59 < ttj> Similar to abstracting database connections.
12:59 < raidman> exactly
12:59 < splatch`> Wombert: soap's standard protocol, i don't see any real sugests to create class for zend soap implementation
12:59 < Wombert> ...
12:59 < Wombert> splatch`: I have to decode the soap request
12:59 < Wombert> I have to encode the response
12:59 < Wombert> etc etc etc
13:00 < splatch`> Wombert: ok, but you can do this without zend :]
13:00 < Wombert> ...
13:00 < Wombert> splatch`: that was just an example
13:00 * Wombert sighs
13:00 < Wombert> AgaviZendsoapRequest extends AgaviServiceRequest
13:00 < Wombert> AgaviPhpxmlrpcRequest extends AgaviServiceRequest
13:01 < Wombert> AgaviPearsoapRequest extends AgaviServiceRequest
13:01 < Wombert> got it?
13:01 < splatch`> hmm.. you want use Zend to get request parameters etc?
13:01 < raidman> hmm, yeah like AgaviView ...
13:01 < Wombert> ttj: but that would be the exact opposite
13:01 < ttj> Yes, I know.
13:02 < Wombert> we have a) the option above (implementation for each of the libs out there) or AgaviSoapRequest that can handle Zend, Pear, native PHP, NuSOAP etc
13:02 < Wombert> there's a b) missing there
13:02 < ttj> a) has essentially two levels (AgaviRequest-level and the lib) and b) has three (Request, Soap, lib).
13:03 < splatch`> Wombert: something like Agavi database layer?
13:03 < ttj> I like simplicity, and that's why I'd prefer a). But that's just my 2 cents.
13:03 < Wombert> ?
13:03 < Wombert> ttj: I'll go with a)
13:03 < splatch`> Wombert: CreoleDatabase, AgaviMysqlDatabase, PDODatabase
13:03 < Wombert> uuuhm
13:03 < Wombert> yes?
13:03 < Wombert> :>
13:05 < splatch`> all request shuld handle Agavi
13:05 < Wombert> I don't get what you're saying
13:05 < splatch`> *should
13:06 < splatch`> Wombert: Request abstraction is good idea
13:08 < v-dogg> Wombert: I'd vote for a) too
13:08 < splatch`> but agavi can use other than browser request without additional libs
13:08 < splatch`> like Zend or PEAR
13:20 < Wombert> splatch`: requests are already abstracted!?
13:20 < Wombert> no way
13:20 < Wombert> we are a framework
13:20 < Wombert> not a toolkit
13:33 < eremit> Wombert, there ?
13:34 < eremit> I have a problem with the fpf ... i have about 10 checkboxes all name="mode" but different values ... your fpf does not select the correct one if i say populate?! ... intention or bug ?
13:36 < eremit> forget it ... i'm silly ^^ ...
13:43 < eremit> uhm ... radio buttons (which i really wanted) have the same problem
13:46 < Wombert> 10 checkboxes with the same name and different values?
13:46 < Wombert> that's stupid
13:46 < Wombert> because only one value arrives
13:46 < eremit> yes that's why i said i really wanted radio buttons
13:46 < eremit> something like
13:47 < eremit>
20:23 < Wombert>
20:23 < Wombert>
20:23 < Wombert>
20:26 < splatch`> Wombert: "because symfony is bullshit" and "not recommended" it's not good argument
20:26 < Wombert> yes it is
20:26 < Wombert> their routing approach is totally wrong
20:26 < splatch`> better is "you can use rewrite rule"
20:26 < Wombert> unlike them, we write our own code
20:26 < Wombert> with our own ideas
20:26 < Wombert> they just copy ideas from other frameworks
20:26 < Wombert> which means they also copy the weaknesses of other solutions
20:27 < Wombert> the whole point of our routing is that you have _real_ "nice" URLs that you can also re-generate
20:27 < Wombert> without having to specify module or action in the routes
20:28 < Wombert> just because they do it one way, that doesn't mean it's good :)
20:29 < Wombert> just look at their "ajax actions"
20:29 < Wombert> they are missing the point _entirely_
20:29 < Wombert> it's utter nonsense, from A to Z
20:29 < splatch`> ajax action = helper
20:29 < Wombert> no
20:29 < Wombert> ajax action = nonsense
20:30 < splatch`> they have "support" for ajax with helpers and ajax triggers
20:31 < splatch`> ajax actions really doesn't exists
20:31 < splatch`> Wombert: true?
20:33 < Wombert> wrong
20:33 < Wombert> they say "ajax actions"
20:33 < Wombert> they have a dedicated concept for handling ACTIONS(!) for ajax requests
20:33 < Wombert> and that's wrong
20:34 < splatch`> ach
20:34 < Wombert> they don't know what they're doing, and they are listening to the demands of stupid newbies instead of telling them to learn PHP _first_ and then come back
20:34 < Wombert> http://www.symfony-project.com/weblog/2006/08/25/heading-towards-symfony-1-0.html
20:34 < Wombert> AJAX actions have no layout by default. This is another long-demanded evolution and it will simplify greatly the design of AJAX interactions - no more view.yml to write, unless you want specifically to decorate the action result. Will you ever need to use the setLayout method? (read the AJAX documentation to learn more).
20:34 < splatch`> Wombert: i'll see
20:34 < Wombert> a) actions don't have layout. never. ever. it's not the job of an action to control presentation
20:34 < splatch`> Wombert: that's terrible thing!
20:35 < Wombert> b) our output types are a better approach to that, because it a) leaves presentation where it belongs and b) it leaves the action open to other types
20:35 < Wombert> of requests
20:35 < splatch`> Wombert: can i translate you sentences and publicate on my blog?
20:35 < Wombert> you can use our action on the web, on the console, on IRC... via a browser, XMLRPC, SOAP, JSON, REST, whatever you like
20:36 < Wombert> no, please don't ;)
20:36 < splatch`> Wombert: about ajax-actions :)
20:36 < Wombert> if I want the world to hear my symfony bashing, I'll write my own blog post
20:36 < Wombert> I don't want to bash symfony. We certainly have the technology to back our complaints, but we do not have the website or documentation for it
20:37 < splatch`> Wombert: ok, i'll wrote my opinion ;)
20:37 < Wombert> before I write a blog posting titled "Why Agavi is better than Symfony/CakePHP/whatever", we need a website, a release and documentation for it
20:37 < Wombert> but do you understand what my problem is with this ajax action stuff?
20:37 < Wombert> it's not clean
20:38 < Wombert> NOTHING in symfony is clean because they added new stuff too quick
20:38 < Wombert> fabien said that to me, too
20:38 < Wombert> he said he wished he hadn't added so many helpers etc because helpers are bad in frameworks
20:38 < Wombert> "setLayout has been added to the action methods. This one has been requested for a long time, under the name "Bring back setLayout!" while it has never been in the trunk... But under the strongest pressure of the community ever, the ability to deactivate or modify layout decoration from the action, and not only from the view.yml, has been added to the framework. Note that the hasLayout() method has not been implemented, replaced by
20:39 < Wombert> another thing
20:39 < splatch`> Wombert: output types are better because they don't need more logic, any changes it's only output, no any logic
20:39 < Wombert> you know the IRC bot, right?
20:39 < Wombert> you cannot do that with symfony
20:40 < Wombert> I saw a posting on the symfony mailing list the other day
20:40 < Wombert> where they talked about SOAP
20:40 < splatch`> soap in symfony, omg!
20:40 < Wombert> their solution was to add a method to a front controller for _all_ methods that are supposed to be callable
20:40 < Wombert> how STUPID
20:40 < splatch`> i don't see that
20:40 < Wombert> and then people reply "THANK YOU THANK YOU PERFECT SOLUTION"
20:40 < Wombert> so essentially, symfony works like this:
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20:41 < Wombert> a totally flawed framework is used by totally clueless people
20:41 < Wombert> most of who don't know PHP and aren't told to learn it for their own sake
20:41 < Wombert> then they ask questions
20:41 < Wombert> and other clueless people have wrong answers to the questions
20:41 < Wombert> so even more people are using the framework the wrong way
20:41 < Wombert> nobody benefits from that
20:42 < Wombert> because in 6 months or in a year they'll realize how wrong it was and run into massive problems when they try to add new stuff to their applications etc
20:42 < Wombert> I really wish symfony had a big note on the front page saying "DO NOT USE SYMFONY UNLESS YOU ARE EXPERIENCED IN PHP"
20:42 < Wombert> and I also wish they would finally get their license stuff together
20:42 < shoan> what are we ranting about today? ;)
20:42 < Wombert> guess
20:42 < Wombert> :>
20:43 < Wombert> symfony :>
20:43 < Wombert> it's all in the logs in case you're interested
20:43 < shoan> heh
20:43 < Wombert> the discussion is only 10 minutes old or so
20:43 < shoan> heading right there
20:43 < Wombert> sample app is fixed btw
20:43 < splatch`> Wombert: no discussion
20:43 < shoan> Wombert: cool
20:43 < splatch`> Wombert: I agree
20:43 < Wombert> or, rather, the validator manager now handles tainted mode correctly
20:43 < splatch`> with you
20:43 < Wombert> :)
20:43 < Wombert> you don't have to, remember that
20:43 < Wombert> if you disagree, just say it ;>
20:44 < Wombert> the #1 problem of symfony is
20:44 < Wombert> the legal issues
20:44 < Wombert> they don't get their bloody act together
20:44 < Wombert> even though I reminded fabien of it
20:44 < splatch`> Wombert: soap and ajax actions are very bad idea
20:44 < Wombert> in trunk there's a LICENSE file that says "copyright fabien potencier, licensed under MIT"
20:44 < Wombert> but they bundle propel
20:44 < Wombert> creole
20:44 < Wombert> prototype
20:44 < Wombert> etc
20:44 < Wombert> and these are _not_ MIT
20:45 < splatch`> LGPL
20:45 < Wombert> and they bundle data from ICU
20:45 < Wombert> without a copyright notice
20:45 < Wombert> the funny thing is
20:45 < Wombert> they copied the data from Prado
20:45 < Wombert> all files are identical
20:45 < Wombert> the only file missing is LICENSE.txt
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20:46 < splatch`> Wombert: as you say before - php function to insert image is sick :)
20:46 < Wombert> http://trac.pradosoft.com/browser/trunk/framework/I18N/core/data/license.txt
20:47 < Wombert> actually, symfony copied code from agavi
20:47 < Wombert> and agavi is LGPL
20:47 < Wombert> they copied it to a MIT licensed project
20:47 < Wombert> the LGPL doesn't allow that
20:47 < Wombert> but who cares, right?
20:47 < Wombert> all the magazines
20:47 < Wombert> and idiots with blogs etc
20:47 < Wombert> say "mmhmmm use symfony"
20:47 < Wombert> "it's nice"
20:48 < Wombert> I wonder what people would say if someone told them about symfony's I-don't-give-a-shit-about-licenses-and-copyright attitude
20:49 < splatch`> Wombert: Are you've fury? :)
20:49 < Wombert> everything boils down to the point that symfony is, in essence, a totally messed up version of what once was a good framework (mojavi3) with huge license issues and a retarded user base
20:49 < Wombert> nah
20:49 < Wombert> not even close to in a bad mood ;)
20:49 < Wombert> I'm just telling the truth, that's all ;)
20:49 < Wombert> I mean
20:50 < Wombert> this ranting is fun ;) it doesn't make me angry
20:50 < shoan> hmmm....symfony
20:51 < splatch`> Wombert: my designer told me about our plans, they going to made some examples
20:51 < splatch`> and give to rate
20:51 < Wombert> oooh
20:51 < Wombert> that's fantastic news!
20:51 < Wombert> thank you for your effort
20:51 < Wombert> and say big thank you to them, too
20:51 < Wombert> I really, really appreciate your help!
20:52 < splatch`> Wombert: agavi'll the best :)
20:54 < Wombert> I hope so :)
20:54 < splatch`> Wombert: no hope, certainty!
21:00 < raidman> yeah :)
21:07 < raidman> http://forums.programming-designs.com/viewtopic.php?id=599
21:12 < raidman> lol
21:12 < raidman> http://hunkinsexperiments.com/pages/mathematics.htm
21:18 < raidman> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuoljANz4EA&eurl=
21:40 < splatch`> raidman: wow
21:42 < raidman> :)
21:52 < shoan> Wombert: why does the sample app crap out when I disable translation in settings.xml?
21:52 < shoan> shouldn't there be some sort of fall back mechanism?
21:53 < Wombert> shoan: nah
21:54 < Wombert> the sample app uses the translation so...
21:54 < Wombert> imagine an app that uses a database
21:54 < Wombert> and you set use_database to false ;)
21:54 < Wombert> that wouldn't work either
21:54 < Wombert> basically, routing and security are the only things you can disable without breaking anything
21:54 < shoan> agreed :)
21:57 < splatch`> http://blog.dywicki.pl/2006/10/03/zend-framework-and-others/
21:57 < splatch`> why don't clone ZF
21:57 < splatch`> and why ZF will relased :)
21:58 < splatch`> you saw people who write own framework based on ZF structure?
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22:56 < v-dogg> Wombert: did you write to that symfony guy about their license issues?
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22:59 < impl> What's wrong with them?
23:00 < v-dogg> at some point symfony was public domain
23:00 < v-dogg> but for example mojavi is lgpl
23:00 < impl> ah
23:00 < v-dogg> and they have taken code from several projects
23:05 < Wombert> they got permission from feti
23:05 < Wombert> and yes
23:05 < Wombert> I told fabien about the missing license.txt just the other day
23:05 < Wombert> he said something like "yeah I know but I'm working on my own parser for the ICU data anyway"
23:06 < Wombert> symfony still _is_ MIT licensed
23:06 < Wombert> the one license file there leads to believe that
23:06 < Wombert> a) propel is a symfony thing
23:06 < Wombert> b) propel is MIT, too
23:06 < Wombert> same for the other stuff bundled
23:23 < splatch`> Wombert: you continue symfony thread? :)
23:23 < Wombert> nah, just replying to v-dogg's question
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23:55 < toby_swe> hi
23:55 < Wombert> hi toby_swe
23:56 < toby_swe> which one of phptal and smarty would be the best in terms of rendering times and overhead load?
23:56 < Wombert> smarty I guess
23:56 < impl> Neither :(
23:56 < Wombert> yeah
23:57 < Wombert> but I guess that's not quite the answer he wanted to hear ;)
23:57 < impl> No one likes the radical ideas of the grand impl! :P
23:57 < Wombert> phptal is a nice idea but I found it way too annoying
23:57 < toby_swe> so what's the "real" answer?
23:57 < Wombert> use PHP :)
23:58 < impl> http://phptal.motion-twin.com/introduction.html
23:58 < impl> I even prefer the PHP method there
23:58 < toby_swe> that was my guess
23:58 < Wombert>
23:58 < Wombert>
23:58 < Wombert>
23:58 < Wombert> there's a
23:58 < Wombert>
23:58 < Wombert> missing there
23:58 < impl> :P
23:58 < Wombert> with the alternative syntax, templates become a bit less ugly
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01:25 < Wombert> mmmh
01:25 < Wombert> native speakers
01:25 < Wombert> let's see
01:25 < Wombert> back there in the last row, the guy that's playing with his balls
01:25 < Wombert> isn't his name "impl"
01:25 < Wombert> :>>>
01:25 < Wombert> is it "use autoloading", "use autoload" or "use autoloads"?
01:25 * Wombert smacks impl
01:26 < impl> Ow ow ow
01:26 < impl> Give me the context of the phrase, please
01:26 < Wombert> uhm
01:26 < Wombert> propel.useAutoloading = true
01:26 < Wombert> in build.properties
01:26 < Wombert> is that okay?
01:26 < Wombert> useAutoloads
01:26 < Wombert> ?
01:26 < impl> I'd say useAutoload
01:26 * Wombert scratches head
01:26 < impl> If the function is called autoload
01:27 < Wombert> it's referring to the procedure of autoloading methods
01:27 < Wombert> err
01:27 < Wombert> classes
01:27 < Wombert> not the function
01:27 < impl> Hmmmmm
01:27 < Wombert> the function is called autoload because... autoload($class) :D
01:27 < impl> I guess useAutoloading is good, then
01:27 < Wombert> okay <:
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04:16 < Wombert> splatch`: are you there? :>
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07:15 < shoan_> is $ phing manual-html broken?
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07:59 < v-dogg> shoan: there was some problem with it. haven't had time to fix it
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08:39 < shoan> v-dogg: ok
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09:22 < splatch`> hello
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10:18 < sho[a]n> what are renderer extensions? the template's file extension?
10:33 < ttj> Most likely.
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14:20 < shoan_> wombieeeeeee
14:26 < splatch`> hello Wombert, I'm here :)
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15:01 < Wombert> :)
15:01 < Wombert> I forgot it :(
15:02 < splatch`> Wombert: 03:16:32 < Wombert> splatch`: are you there? :>
15:03 < Wombert> yes I know
15:03 < Wombert> but as I said
15:03 < Wombert> I forgot :)
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16:30 < Wombert> splatch`: that wasn't it, but... I'll apply and commit your propel patch later :)
16:31 < splatch`> not only me :)
16:31 < Wombert> ?
17:04 < splatch`> Wombert: the idea it's other man
17:05 < splatch`> I only extend builder
17:07 < Wombert> ah
17:07 < Wombert> okay :)
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21:21 < splatch`> Wombert: today, at night will be an logo
21:21 < splatch`> or design
21:21 < Wombert> oO
21:21 < Wombert> really?
21:21 < Wombert> wow
21:21 < splatch`> minds draft
21:21 < Wombert> awesome!
21:21 < Wombert> I recently had another idea
21:21 < Wombert> if we have a logo in vector format
21:22 < Wombert> we can't only print that on paper
21:22 < Wombert> but also on cups
21:22 < Wombert> or t-shirts :)
21:23 < splatch`> we wanna Agavi t-shirts! :)
21:23 < Wombert> :)
21:24 < splatch`> Wombert: we'll got jug/mug? :)
21:25 < Wombert> http://www.cafepress.com/cakefoundation
21:25 < Wombert> once we have a final logo, I could create some of these, too
21:25 < Wombert> they aren't expensive, so we could have some competitions every now and then and award tshirts etc to the winners
21:26 < Wombert> or send a cap as a thank you to documentation contributors etc
21:26 < splatch`> cool :)
21:32 < splatch`> Wombert: all requests uses only execute read/write methods?
21:32 < Wombert> no
21:32 < Wombert> you are free to define the request methods
21:33 < Wombert> WebRequest maps GET to "read" and POST to "write"
21:33 < Wombert> you could extend that to map PUT to "store" and DELETE to "remove" or so
21:33 < Wombert> the basic idea is that you do not have GET and POST on the console or so
21:33 < Wombert> and that SOAP is always POST
21:36 < ttj> Yay! I'll certainly buy an Agavi coffee mug. :P
22:16 < splatch`> Can I define groups and roles in other place than XML?
22:38 < Wombert> splatch`: of course
22:38 < Wombert> extend the rbac user and overwrite loadDefintions()
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23:46 < splatch`> Wombert!
23:46 < splatch`> http://kazek.pl/agavi1.png
23:54 < splatch`> all people
23:54 < splatch`> rate the design :)
23:55 < impl> Cool
23:55 < impl> I like it
23:55 < impl> I presume the little indent arrows in the navigation will only show on hover?
23:56 < splatch`> impl: moment, i'm asin'
23:56 < splatch`> yes
23:57 < impl> Alright
23:57 < impl> and the design will expand to the full width of the browser?
23:59 < splatch`> impl: no, they've constant width
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00:00 * impl suggests making it variable width
00:01 < splatch`> impl: top will expand
00:01 < splatch`> but the body will not expanded
00:01 < impl> Ah, I only suggest making the body variable because it looks a bit squished on my resolution
00:01 < impl> I'm at 1680x1050 though
00:01 < impl> so I'm sort of an exception to the rule ;)
00:02 < splatch`> impl: my friend works with this resolution :)
00:07 < splatch`> impl: they'll check :)
00:08 < splatch`> where's Womert.. ;)
00:08 < impl> :D cool
00:13 < splatch`> http://kazek.pl/agavi2.png
00:13 < splatch`> http://kazek.pl/agavi2.png
00:13 < splatch`> oops :)
00:14 < splatch`> little fix with background
00:15 < impl> Cute :D
00:17 < splatch`> :)
00:17 < splatch`> cake's ugly ;)
00:20 < splatch`> aaargh, where's Womber
00:20 < splatch`> they always gone, wheen i need him! ;)
00:22 * impl prods Wombert with a spoon
00:24 < splatch`> impl: you're so brute! ;)
00:25 < impl> :x
00:25 * splatch` kicks Wombert in ankle
00:32 < splatch`> @shwr
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00:56 < splatch`> wooombert ;)
00:57 < splatch`> i'm have go sleep
00:58 < splatch`> Wombert: if you'll had any ideas, questions etc, just write to me here or on priv
01:02 < splatch`> http://agavi.de/
01:02 < splatch`> oO
01:03 < splatch`> Day changed to 05 Oct 2006
01:03 < splatch`> night!
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03:06 < Wombert> splatch`: schweet!
03:07 < Wombert> impl: running the same resolution here
03:07 < Wombert> there's nothing like a widescreen tft :)
03:07 < Wombert> dell 2007, very nice
03:07 < Wombert> I dig the design
03:07 < Wombert> now all we need is a logo :>
03:08 < impl> :D
03:09 < Wombert> mmmh
03:09 < Wombert> I have a nice idea there already
03:09 < Wombert> see, the default design would be like that
03:09 < Wombert> BUT
03:09 < Wombert> you have a link at the top right
03:09 < Wombert> to "swap" top and bottom
03:09 < Wombert> then, the plant would grow from the bottom
03:09 < Wombert> and the orange bar would sit at the bottom, too, with the grass on top
03:09 < Wombert> and "agavi.org" would be inverted, orange on white background
03:12 < Wombert> the only thing I don't like is the menu
03:12 < Wombert> because it's sitting below the text
03:12 < Wombert> that doesn't make much sense
03:12 < Wombert> but the rest... excellent
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06:52 < sho[a]n> huomenta
06:53 < sho[a]n> morning
06:57 < Wombert> hi sho[a]n
06:58 < Wombert> http://kazek.pl/agavi1.png
06:58 < Wombert> http://kazek.pl/agavi2.png
06:58 < Wombert> :)
06:59 < Wombert> I love it
07:00 < Wombert> this bottom-up thing is brilliant
07:00 < Wombert> I guess we have to put something like "Agavi - Defeat Gravity" or so into the :)
07:00 < Wombert> obviously, the logo isn't there yet
07:00 < sho[a]n> :)
07:00 < Wombert> the only thing I don't like about the draft is the menu
07:00 < Wombert> it's in the totally wrong place ;)
07:01 < Wombert> has to go up into the orange bar
07:01 < sho[a]n> yeah
07:01 < Wombert> agavi2.png is nicer, too
07:01 < Wombert> but
07:01 < sho[a]n> I like the clouds :)
07:01 < Wombert> we should do without the sky and the clouds
07:01 < Wombert> oh
07:01 < Wombert> hmmh
07:01 < sho[a]n> i think the white is too plain
07:01 < Wombert> yeah you might be right
07:01 < Wombert> hmmh
07:02 < sho[a]n> the clouds add to the "defeat gravity" ;)
07:02 < Wombert> I was thinking the opposite xD
07:02 < Wombert> but
07:02 < Wombert> I guess you're right
07:02 < sho[a]n> take a poll later :)
07:02 < Wombert> however, it wouldn't be that easy regarding transparency etc
07:02 < Wombert> yeah, will do
07:02 < Wombert> I'm still up, waiting for splatch` to arrive so I can give him my feedback
07:03 < Wombert> this small label next to the boxes is ultra cool
07:03 < Wombert> I hope they can do a ? and a (i) version of it, too
07:03 < Wombert> we could then use the orange box that currently holds the menu and use it to announce very important things
07:04 < sho[a]n> good point
07:04 < Wombert> such as security updates, should we ever need em
07:04 < Wombert> and
07:04 < Wombert> I had another idea :)
07:04 < Wombert> a little button in the top right
07:04 < Wombert> labeled "I am boring" or so
07:04 < Wombert> and then
07:04 < Wombert> flipppppp
07:04 < Wombert> the orange bar, the grass and the flowers jump to the bottom
07:04 < Wombert> in the right order
07:04 < sho[a]n> :)
07:04 < Wombert> only the small bright orange bar and the menu stay on top, and the logo has inverted colors (orange on white)
07:05 < Wombert> that'll be coooool
07:05 < sho[a]n> i wonder how that would materialise.
07:05 < Wombert> it's easy to do
07:05 < Wombert> just a bit of css
07:05 < Wombert> hmmmh
07:06 < Wombert> we could make the background image fixed
07:06 < Wombert> the clouds
07:06 < Wombert> so they don't scroll away
07:06 < Wombert> and then just use PNG images
07:06 < Wombert> screw IE
07:06 < sho[a]n> lol
07:06 < Wombert> IE7 handles it properly anyway
07:06 < Wombert> nah seriously
07:06 < Wombert> show me a programmer that surfs the web with ie6
07:07 < Wombert> especially once ie7 is out
07:07 < Wombert> I couldn't care less, really
07:07 < Wombert> don't you agree?
07:07 < Wombert> I mean... should we care about ie6 users?
07:07 < sho[a]n> i dumped IE years ago
07:07 < Wombert> see
07:07 < sho[a]n> no we shouldn't
07:08 < Wombert> if we were selling uhm... viagra?
07:08 < Wombert> we would have to care about that 90% market share ie6 has
07:08 < Wombert> but since we're not selling viagra
07:08 < Wombert> because we have no business model at all xD
07:08 < sho[a]n> considering that its viagra, it would sell anyways :p
07:08 < Wombert> we can ignore it
07:08 < Wombert> hmh true
07:08 < Wombert> bad example ^^
07:08 < sho[a]n> hehe
07:09 < Wombert> are you using propel?
07:09 < sho[a]n> yes
07:09 < Wombert> good
07:09 < Wombert> you'll be excited to hear
07:09 < Wombert> that I'm done with that autoloading conversion
07:09 < Wombert> so it doesn't use a single _once include anymore
07:09 < Wombert> and everything is autoloaded on the fly
07:09 < sho[a]n> wow
07:10 < sho[a]n> awesome :)
07:10 < Wombert> the bookstore-test, which doesn't have many reads, is 25% faster
07:10 < sho[a]n> when is that going into svn?
07:10 < Wombert> I expect "normal" applications to be much, much faster
07:10 < Wombert> as soon as I did some more tests
07:10 < Wombert> gonna go into the 1.3 branch
07:10 < Wombert> AND
07:10 < sho[a]n> how do you test speeds?
07:10 < Wombert> right now I only use the test script bundled which shows me the total time after finish
07:11 < sho[a]n> ok
07:11 < sho[a]n> and?
07:11 < Wombert> 870ms vs 1270ms
07:11 < Wombert> 32% faster
07:11 < Wombert> but as I said
07:12 < Wombert> it's not a realistic use case
07:12 < Wombert> real world apps should be MUCH faster
07:12 < Wombert> and if you use an opcode cache
07:12 < Wombert> it's gonna be _even_ faster
07:12 < Wombert> because previously, _once includes weren't cached
07:12 < Wombert> AND
07:12 < Wombert> a friend of splatch` had the idea to patch the doSelectJoin stuff
07:12 < Wombert> so it uses a hash map to remember associations
07:12 < Wombert> that'll boost performance again
07:13 < Wombert> and I had the idea to let PDO hydrate() the rows instead of doing it by hand
07:13 < sho[a]n> how does that work?
07:13 < Wombert> you tell propel the class name
07:13 < sho[a]n> i mean the doSelectJoin
07:13 < Wombert> and then it creates an instance
07:14 < Wombert> good question, can't remember exactly
07:14 < Wombert> and I can't find the patch right now
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07:15 < Wombert> ah
07:15 < Wombert> here it is
07:15 < Wombert> http://pastebin.ca/191627
07:53 < sho[a]n> how do you include include third party libs(propel/adodb/smarty/foo) in your agavi project?
07:55 < jake> require_once ?
07:55 < jake> Or are you specifically asking about renderers and data access?
08:00 < sho[a]n> jake: I was asking more about how where you would place the files?
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09:10 < raidman> morning
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09:13 < splatch`> Wombert
09:14 < sho[a]n> splatch`: Wombert was waiting for you to give you feedback on the design
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09:14 < sho[a]n> looks like he snoozed off :)
09:14 < splatch`> like i yesterday :)
09:14 < splatch`> i have logs
09:15 < splatch`> goto 00:00
09:16 < digitarald> Morning fellows ...
09:16 < sho[a]n> morning digitarald
09:18 < splatch`> i forgot - hello all :)
09:19 < digitarald> uh ... where are tango icons in agavi ... the sample app?
09:20 < digitarald> ah, i see ... the exceptions ...
09:21 < splatch`> in svg :]
09:27 < raidman> who knows about locks in request parameters?
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09:33 < eremit> morning ..
09:33 < splatch`> Where are from Wombert?
09:33 < eremit> what's your problem with the locks raidman ?
09:34 < splatch`> Where are Wombert from?
09:34 < raidman> eremit: I just want more about idea thit it based on
09:34 < raidman> why we need that and so
09:36 < raidman> you know I nkow we can lock parameter to log set and get
09:36 < raidman> lock*
09:37 < raidman> what can I do with it in real world app?
09:37 < eremit> i think wombert basic idea was to prevent tampering parameters ...
09:37 < eremit> and afaik the parameters are always locked ... except during validation ...
09:38 < raidman> so after validation it unlocked automaticaly?
09:38 < eremit> no ...
09:38 < eremit> it unlocked before validation and locked again afterwards
09:39 < raidman> When I need those I shoul unlock by hand, right?
09:39 < eremit> afaik you are not able to unlock them ...
09:40 < eremit> you should use the parameters parsed into the method execute ...
09:40 < eremit> there was a heavy discussion about this some time ago ...
09:40 < raidman> okey, thanks I'll take a look at logs
09:40 < eremit> it was in august ...
09:41 < raidman> okey
09:41 < eremit> started with me asking about how to unlock the parameters ...
09:41 < eremit> ;)
09:41 < raidman> heh :)
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11:39 < raidman> What OS you are using guys?
11:40 < eremit> Servers: Ubuntu (most), Debian, Gentoo ... Development Desktop: Windows/Ubuntu (about 50/50)
11:43 < raidman> 2 years ago I moved any thing hangs on Windows to Libranet
11:44 < raidman> now I using a distro based on Debian sid
11:44 < raidman> :)
11:44 < shoan> gentoo and os x
11:44 < raidman> for desktop, you know :)
11:45 < raidman> shoan, I'll take a look at Gentoo
11:45 < shoan> raidman: let me know if you need help with it
11:45 < raidman> shoan, okey, thanks
11:46 < eremit> ^^ yeah ... if ya need gentoo help at least EleRas and me can help too
11:47 < raidman> :)
12:19 < raidman> hmm, a couple of months ago Wombert said about a method for handling Components that a guy works on it, I don't remember that, I can't find in in log :(
13:35 < Wombert> re
13:36 < Wombert> splatch`: I'm from Munich, Germany
13:36 < Wombert> raidman: Mac OS X 10.4.8 Tiger <:
13:36 < splatch`> Wombert: in poland we have 13:36
13:36 < splatch`> *12:36
13:36 < splatch`> Wombert: what's time in Munich?
13:36 < Wombert> 12:36 here, yeah
13:36 < Wombert> I snoozed off, I worked until 8am
13:36 < raidman> Wombert, hmm OS X
13:36 < Wombert> on propel :)
13:37 < Wombert> splatch`: I love the design
13:37 < raidman> may be I try it in qemu
13:37 < Wombert> I think we take the agavi2.png version
13:37 < splatch`> Wombert: i'm also :)
13:37 < raidman> what design, agavi logo?
13:37 < Wombert> I even started on a bit of the XHTML for it :)
13:38 < Wombert> http://kazek.pl/agavi1.png
13:38 < splatch`> Wombert: I pasted nightly log my friend
13:38 < Wombert> http://kazek.pl/agavi2.png
13:38 < Wombert> splatch`: I'll write an email with a list of things, okay?
13:38 < Wombert> I'll do it immediately
13:38 < splatch`> Wombert: please :)
13:38 < Wombert> say big thank you to the designers already, awesome job
13:38 < Wombert> will they also create a logo?
13:38 < Wombert> oh nevermind, let me quickly write that email :>
13:38 < splatch`> yep
13:39 < Wombert> what's the designers name?
13:39 < splatch`> Darek
13:39 < splatch`> you can use also kazek
13:39 < splatch`> that's he nick
13:39 < raidman> perfect
13:40 < Wombert> yep
13:40 < raidman> but I don't like that blue background
13:41 < raidman> but I like agavi2.png
13:41 < raidman> :)
13:41 < raidman> what you think Wombie?
13:41 < Wombert> hmm
13:41 < Wombert> I wasn't sure about the background first, either
13:41 < Wombert> let me quickly write the email
13:41 < Wombert> I'll then paste it
13:41 < Wombert> my thoughts and ideas are in there
13:42 < Wombert> the only thing I don't like is the menu
13:42 < Wombert> it's in the wrong place ;)
13:42 < Wombert> the rest is perfect
13:42 < Wombert> I have two ideas to make the design "interactive", too
13:43 < raidman> I want to do one thing (at least) for agavi, If you want I can make it XHTML/CSS2 for you
13:43 < raidman> it will be valid XHRML/CSS2 btw
13:44 < Wombert> oO actually, I started on that already ;)
13:44 < raidman> oh :)
13:44 < Wombert> at least I did the basic structure ^^
13:45 < Wombert> let's wait for the design to be final and then we can talk about it
13:45 < Wombert> thanks for your offer!
13:45 < raidman> okey :)
13:49 < splatch`> hehe, new design, new power :)
13:49 < splatch`> new logo, double power!
13:50 < Wombert> HOLY
13:50 < Wombert> CRAP
13:50 < Wombert> WOOOOOOOOOOOT
13:50 < Wombert> HEAVEN
13:50 < Wombert> AHAHAH
13:50 < Wombert> :>
13:51 * Wombert goes download the new LOST episode
13:53 < splatch`> Wombert: wrote mail first! ;)))
13:54 < Wombert> yep
13:54 < Wombert> sure
13:54 < Wombert> I'm almost done :)
13:54 < Wombert> I gotta download the episode first anyway
13:54 < Wombert> mmmh can't wait
13:54 < Wombert> llloost
14:02 < digitarald> imho ... i like agavi2
14:02 < digitarald> ;)
14:02 < Wombert> http://pastebin.ca/191777
14:03 < Wombert> I am amazed
14:03 < Wombert> to see a designer to such a good work
14:03 < Wombert> he knows the web
14:03 < Wombert> he knows how to do it
14:03 < Wombert> I have worked with tons of designers
14:03 < Wombert> and he is the first one where the different places where orange is used actually use the exactly same color
14:03 < Wombert> stuff like that makes me happy, I swear
14:04 < Wombert> now we just need a simple (!) logo, and we're done :)
14:04 < Wombert> splatch`: it doesn't have to be a great logo! it doesn't even have to be a symbol or so
14:04 < Wombert> just a nice "Agavi" lettering or something might be sufficient, too
14:04 < digitarald> some of the requested feature are ... maybe overkill? ;)
14:04 < Wombert> I don't know what the others think!?
14:04 < Wombert> digitarald: what requested features?
14:04 < Wombert> I'll implement them myself :)
14:04 < digitarald> the weather for example ;)
14:05 < Wombert> I just wanted to ask them if it's okay if I do that
14:05 < digitarald> i don't mean overkill for the designer, overkill for the user ;)
14:05 < Wombert> splatch`: was that understandable? points 1) 2) and 3), I'll do them, if the designer agrees
14:05 < Wombert> no need for him to do anything in that regard :>
14:05 < digitarald> i dont think that javascript/template stuff can show the power of agavi
14:06 < Wombert> digitarald: it's always nice if you have something simple to play with
14:06 < Wombert> and we gotta leverage this top-down idea
14:06 < Wombert> it's brilliant
14:06 < Wombert> we can use it to show HOW different agavi is
14:06 < Wombert> it's so cool it puts the world on it's head
14:06 < Wombert> you know? :)
14:07 < Wombert> it's not about the javascript or the effect
14:07 < Wombert> it's about the _idea_
14:07 < digitarald> ok ... the gravity thing is cool
14:07 < Wombert> see, and then there's a "just in case you prefer things the normal way"
14:07 < Wombert> you click it
14:07 < Wombert> everything flips down
14:07 < digitarald> why not switch the content from left to right or something else ...
14:07 < Wombert> a popup appears and says "sure, why not? agavi doesn't lock you in. you do things the way _you_ like."
14:08 < Wombert> nah, it's good like this
14:08 < Wombert> the page, like this, sits on the left side of the browser
14:08 < Wombert> that's okay
14:08 < Wombert> right aligned content is always a bit uncool
14:08 < digitarald> not a real switch ... interactive
14:08 < Wombert> also it's a bit more difficult to implement CSS_wise etc
14:08 < Wombert> and it's harder on the eyes
14:08 < Wombert> splatch`: did you understand the email? :)
14:09 < Wombert> I'll go have a shower
14:09 < digitarald> i'm missing a footer
14:09 < digitarald> ... i'm going for hunting my foot ...
14:09 < digitarald> :D ... my english is so great today ...
14:11 < digitarald> btw. the logo could have more detail ... now its just a typo, nothing to remember
14:18 < splatch`> Wombert: yes
14:19 < splatch`> Wombert: i read it
14:19 < splatch`> one moment before
14:22 < splatch`> Wombert: kazek'll read :)
14:25 < Wombert> digitarald: the logo?
14:25 < Wombert> you mean "Agavi.org"?
14:26 < Wombert> I don't think that's the final logo :) just a placeholder
14:26 < Wombert> or is it the logo already, splatch` ?
14:26 < splatch`> Wombert: I don't think :]
14:26 < Wombert> nice :)
14:26 < Wombert> digitarald: I guess a logo wouldn't have ".org" in it, either ;)
14:27 < digitarald> ... why not, i think there are many logos out there with .org in it :)
14:28 < Wombert> yes, but our name is "Agavi", not "Agavi.org" ;)
14:29 < splatch`> Wombert: THAT ISN'T LOGO, i'll never put thats gypsy slab
14:29 < Wombert> yep I know :)
14:29 < splatch`> Wombert: that's kazek's words :]
14:29 < Wombert> haha
14:29 < Wombert> :>
14:29 < Wombert> I forgot to mention this in the email
14:29 < Wombert> and I really mean this
14:29 < Wombert> tell him he's a very talented man
14:30 < splatch`> yes, they're
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14:31 < Wombert> btw, of course there will be a "logo and design by kazek.pl" note at the bottom of the page
14:31 < Wombert> just in case you were wondering ;)
14:31 < digitarald> was there a agavi.com address some time ago? found some old email-signature-links
14:32 < Wombert> not sure
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14:36 < Wombert> splatch`: I now implemented autoloading in propel
14:36 < Wombert> which means I can look at your patch next
14:37 < splatch`> super
14:38 < digitarald> autoload in propel means a step closer to a better propel-integration in agavi ... :) ... is there a known release date for propel 1.3?
14:39 < Wombert> no
14:39 < Wombert> still some time away I guess
14:39 < Wombert> it now uses PDO internally
14:39 < Wombert> that means we need loads of testing
14:39 < digitarald> pdo ... no longer creole
14:39 < Wombert> for the runtime, yes
14:39 < Wombert> a lot faster
14:40 < Wombert> I'll experiment with a new hydration approach later that should speed up things even more
14:40 < Wombert> and then, after I also have splatch`'s patch committed, do some benchmarks and post them
14:40 < Wombert> with autoloading and PDO, 1.3 is already TWICE as fast as 1.2 for generator/tests/bookstore-test.php
14:41 < Wombert> (with APC. without APC, it's about 25 to 30% faster)
14:41 < Wombert> remember that this test loads VERY few files
14:41 < Wombert> has VERY few inclues
14:41 < Wombert> and a lot of write operations
14:41 < Wombert> i.e. real world speedups should be even higher
14:48 < splatch`> Wombert: you changed my code?
14:48 < splatch`> Do you?
14:55 < Wombert> splatch`: not yet
14:55 < Wombert> haven't looked at it much so far
14:55 < splatch`> they have bug
14:55 < splatch`> with primary key
14:55 < Wombert> but I'll have to modify it, yes, so it is compatible with the latest changes to 1.3
14:55 < Wombert> oh
14:56 < splatch`> $obj->getPrimaryKey()
14:56 < Wombert> can you send me a new version or so= :)
14:56 < splatch`> and this's index
14:56 < splatch`> in hash map
14:56 < splatch`> should be implode or sth for values
14:56 < splatch`> next - objects can return hashCode in 2.0
14:57 < splatch`> hash generated from PK
14:57 < splatch`> with crc32 function
14:57 < splatch`> they're a very fast
15:03 < splatch`> and integer indexes faster much more than strings
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17:12 < digitarald> my 2cent for the logo ... had too much time during coffee break ;)
17:12 < digitarald> http://show.digitarald.de/agavi.png
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19:57 < digitarald> anybody here?
19:58 < digitarald> Wombert: is it possible to create tickets in the agavi trac?
19:59 < raidman> I'm
19:59 < raidman> digitarald, no you can't
19:59 < digitarald> i have a ticket, a problem from a lead developer ... a friend of mine.
20:00 < raidman> anonymous users can't create ticket in agavi trac
20:00 < digitarald> he have a patch for his problem
20:00 < raidman> digitarald, you can drop it here, Wombert will be read it later
20:00 < raidman> oh
20:01 < raidman> so paste patch in pastebin and drop link here
20:01 < raidman> If you don't have Wombert's email address :)
20:05 < digitarald> ok
20:05 < digitarald> womberts email address is all over the net ;)
20:05 < raidman> heh :)
20:06 < raidman> beb
20:08 < digitarald> Ok. patch for setting the charset for the database connection via parameter. http://pastebin.ca/192066
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20:11 < digitarald> and here for propel: http://pastebin.ca/192075
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20:55 < Wombert> re
20:56 < raidman> wb
21:06 < sho[a]n_> is the creole task broken in propel 1.3?
21:06 < sho[a]n_> i get
21:06 < sho[a]n_> Fatal error: Class 'PDO' not found in /home/shoan/public_html/projects/oda/third_party/propel/generator/classes/propel/engine/database/model/PropelTypes.php on line 179
21:18 < sho[a]n_> nvm...looks like I forgot to compile pdo into php
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22:20 < raidman> hi impl
22:20 < impl> Afternoon
22:20 < raidman> you know who is nf?
22:20 < impl> nf is me
22:20 < raidman> so I was right :)
22:20 < impl> I don't ever check that client though
22:21 < raidman> but it dosn't in #mojavi any more
22:21 < impl> Oh, the box rebooted and I just forgot to rejoin
22:22 < impl> There we go :P
22:22 < raidman> okey you'r welcome to mojavi :)
22:46 < digitarald> there is an #mojavi channel ... even the channel is dead after the website disappeared ... sad
22:47 < raidman> no channel still is alive :)
22:48 < raidman> I'm in there and impl (nf)
22:48 < impl> :P
22:48 < digitarald> ;) implnf
22:51 < raidman> impl, who is channel op of #mojavi?
22:51 < impl> Probably just illusina
22:51 < impl> -ChanServ- -- Access List for [#Mojavi] --
22:51 < impl> -ChanServ- Num Level Hostmask Time since last use
22:51 < impl> -ChanServ- --- ----- -------- -------------------
22:51 < impl> -ChanServ- 1 30 illusina 13w 1d 5m 49s
22:51 < impl> -ChanServ- 2 30 feti 5w 6d 3m 22s
22:51 < impl> -ChanServ- -- End of list --
22:51 < impl> illusina and feti
22:54 < raidman> hmm
22:58 < digitarald> 13weeks ... mmh
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05:11 < sho[a]n_> morning
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09:31 < splatch`> oi! :)
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11:30 < shoan> morning
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12:49 < digitarald> Buenas fellows
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13:58 < splatch`> my head ...
14:03 < digitarald> whats with your head?
14:13 < splatch`> they heart me ;]
14:13 < splatch`> pain
14:15 < digitarald> ... worked till 2o'clock this night ... till 12 i had headaches ...
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14:30 < digitarald> who is using the cool ajax auf funky-blind/opacity stuff?
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14:38 < digitarald> xp update horror ... any answers?
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14:58 < digitarald> morning wombert, did u read the patch i posted yesterday?
14:58 < Wombert> no
14:58 < digitarald> -morning +hi ;)
14:59 < digitarald> when the new site is online, will user be able to post tickets?
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14:59 < Wombert> maybe
14:59 < Wombert> it doesn't have anything to do with a new site, actually
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15:00 < digitarald> my old lead developer has some ideas for agavi ... he gave me the patch i posted yesterday to post it because he could not find a way to post it on the actual site
15:01 < Wombert> hmh
15:01 < digitarald> may be there should be an note about the restart ... everybody (who is not visiting the chat) downloads 0.10 and think its up-to-date
15:01 < Wombert> yeah
15:01 < Wombert> I guess I gotta email bob and ask him if he'd be willing to transfer the domain to me
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15:01 < Wombert> so we can move site, svn etc to a server of ours
15:02 < digitarald> thats a must for the restart, imho?
15:03 < digitarald> the patch was an additional parameter for creole and propel db-integration in agavi for setting the charset
15:04 < digitarald> the utf-8 problem in mysql ... sending the set-charset query if an charset is given as parameter
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15:28 < Wombert> does the latest creole/propel support that?
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16:08 < digitarald> symfony does have an encoding parameter too in his database configuration ... following this ticket: http://www.symfony-project.com/trac/ticket/203
16:09 < digitarald> ore creole ... still not fixed: http://creole.phpdb.org/trac/ticket/13
16:10 < digitarald> and to add an filter or modify an filter just to set the charset is not my prefered solution (but the actual used)
16:11 < digitarald> btw. will there be an symfony-snippet database or something cooler, bigger? ;)
16:15 < Wombert> still not fixed? oO
16:16 < Wombert> why don't you just extend AgaviCreoleDatabase
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16:16 < Wombert> and change connect() to call parent::connect, then execute a SET CHARACTER BLAH BLAH
16:17 < Wombert> http://creole.phpdb.org/trac/changeset/48
16:17 < Wombert> ...
16:24 < Wombert> this is a wontfix at least for now
16:24 < Wombert> there are 1000 easy ways to work around it
16:25 < Wombert> extend AgaviCreoleDatabase, for instance
16:25 < Wombert> and for propel, you can overwrite PropelAutoload
16:29 < shoan> Wombert: what is the issue with propel 1.3?
16:29 < Wombert> shoan: huh?
16:30 < shoan> I tried it at home and wasn't able to generate the om
16:30 < shoan> the topic in #propel indicated that 1.3 and trunk were unstable
16:30 < shoan> so I downgraded to 1.2
16:31 < Wombert> 1.3 is experimental, yeah
16:31 < Wombert> don't use it for production yet
16:31 < Wombert> what was the problem?
16:31 < shoan> something broke at at the convert-props task
16:31 < shoan> cant recall now
16:31 < shoan> will let you know in a few hours
16:33 < Wombert> update
16:33 < Wombert> we fixed some stuff there
16:35 < digitarald> so i can set encoding for creole
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17:46 < splatch`> digitarald: we was :)
18:25 < raidman> http://website.lineone.net/~roling48/Magnificent%20Pioneers.htm
18:28 < raidman> But how can I make a jet one of those?
18:28 < raidman> http://www.instructables.com/id/EEA99AAUR3EP28744T/
18:28 < raidman> brb
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18:35 < raidman> lol ---> http://forums.programming-designs.com/viewtopic.php?id=605
18:38 < splatch`> rotfl ---> http://www.symfony-project.com/forum/index.php/t/3169/ ;)))
18:40 < splatch`> i send draft of my article to press
18:40 < splatch`> and one user (beta-tester) send me email
18:40 < splatch`> do you really need write about frameworks?
18:41 < splatch`> many people need basic
18:41 < splatch`> :|
18:47 < digitarald> :D what are basics? ... sending an mail via php? doing cool stuff with classes? clean php with mvc ... uh ... not basic
18:53 < splatch`> digitarald: I don't know, i'll wrote malice mail
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20:01 < raidman> Welcome Back FBI!
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20:23 < Wombert> splatch`: you there?
20:23 < splatch`> Wombert: no, i'm gone :)
20:23 < splatch`> Wombert: helo man, how are you?
20:23 < splatch`> *hello
20:24 < Wombert> I'd like to implement your doSelectJoin patch
20:24 < Wombert> you said the version I have has some bugs
20:24 < Wombert> I understand that these bugs occur with composite primary keys, is that right?
20:25 < Wombert> i.e. where a primary key consists of several columns
20:25 < Wombert> what do I have to change so it works?
20:25 < Wombert> and you mentioned a performance optimization, how exactly would I do that?
20:25 < Wombert> or maybe you can implement the bugfix and the performance improvement in the class you sent me last time and then upload it again ;)
20:25 < splatch`> Wombert: moment
20:26 < splatch`> does implode will good? :)
20:26 < Wombert> ?
20:27 < splatch`> getPrimaryKey returns array
20:27 < Wombert> ah okay
20:27 < splatch`> but array can't be a key
20:27 < Wombert> yeah, implode()ing that is okay
20:27 < splatch`> Wombert: line 141
20:27 < Wombert> primary keys are tuples
20:28 < Wombert> (Krotka)
20:28 < Wombert> so the order matters, so implode() is no problem
20:28 < splatch`> moment, i doing bug fix :]
20:29 < splatch`> http://phpfi.com/160899
20:29 < splatch`> that should works
20:29 < splatch`> oops
20:29 < Wombert> http://pastebin.ca/193203 is that the latest version?
20:29 < Wombert> oh
20:29 < Wombert> haha
20:29 < Wombert> :>
20:30 < Wombert> okay, I'll use your paste
20:30 < splatch`> http://phpfi.com/160900
20:30 < splatch`> bugfix for bugfix
20:30 < Wombert> okay
20:30 < v-dogg> *burp*
20:30 < Wombert> heyyy veikko what's up
20:30 < Wombert> long time no see
20:32 < v-dogg> yeah, three days of fair'ing behind
20:32 < v-dogg> one day to go
20:33 < Wombert> what fair
20:34 < v-dogg> FinnBuild (building & building services)
20:34 < Wombert> oO
20:38 * splatch` is evil
20:40 < splatch`> Wombert: works?
20:40 < Wombert> splatch`: every time I look at the design I love it even more
20:40 < Wombert> it's so nice :)
20:40 < Wombert> splatch`: still working on it
20:40 < splatch`> Wombert: yes, they're nice :)
20:40 < v-dogg> woot
20:40 < Wombert> v-dogg: did you see the new agavi website design yet?
20:41 < v-dogg> nope
20:41 < Wombert> http://kazek.pl/agavi1.png
20:41 < Wombert> http://kazek.pl/agavi2.png
20:41 < Wombert> aaaand
20:41 * Wombert goes find that
20:42 < Wombert> http://wombert.pastebin.com/801503
20:42 < splatch`> Wombert: kazek will got beer from me
20:43 < splatch`> hah, wombert.pastebin :)
20:43 < splatch`> Wombert: page doesn't work
20:43 < splatch`> loading ...
20:43 < Wombert> it's just very, very, very slow
20:43 < splatch`> i got the title!
20:44 < splatch`> Wombert: you've fantastic ideas
20:45 < splatch`> Wombert: today kazek is away, they drinkin' now :)
20:45 < Wombert> hehe :)
20:45 < Wombert> well I just pasted that so v-dogg can read it
20:45 < Wombert> no hurry :)
20:46 < Wombert> v-dogg: FYI, they'll also do a logo
20:46 < splatch`> Wombert: unfortunately kazek can't found work in capitol
20:46 < Wombert> "AGAVI.ORG" is just a placeholder
20:46 < v-dogg> with the menu moved to the top that's a nice layout
20:46 < splatch`> *andcapital
20:46 < splatch`> and they works for bad man
20:46 < v-dogg> and yes, #2 is better
20:47 < Wombert> you mean he can't find a job in warszawa?
20:47 < splatch`> yes
20:47 < Wombert> :(
20:47 < splatch`> they send CV to many companies
20:47 < Wombert> they?
20:47 < splatch`> he
20:47 < splatch`> :)
20:47 < Wombert> ah
20:47 < Wombert> :)
20:48 < splatch`> and haven't got any response
20:48 < Wombert> mmmh that sucks :(
20:48 < Wombert> I'm afraid our company is not large enough, I would offer him a job immediately otherwise
20:48 < splatch`> yes, really sucks
20:49 < splatch`> Wombert: i'll give him mail you
20:50 < splatch`> Dariusz Zielinski <kazek@cgnews.pl>
20:50 < Wombert> thanks :)
20:50 < Wombert> maybe I need his work one day
20:51 < Wombert> actually, I _might_ have something for him relatively soon
20:51 < Wombert> but no full time job :(
20:51 < Wombert> I hope he finds work quickly
20:51 < Wombert> he's a talented guy
20:52 < splatch`> Wombert: yes, i don't know why he can't found job
20:52 < splatch`> i haven't any ideas "why"
20:52 < splatch`> he works are wery good
20:53 < Wombert> how old is he?
20:53 < Wombert> does he have good education?
20:53 < splatch`> he's 20
20:53 < Wombert> I mean, did he learn to be a designer at a company?
20:53 < Wombert> or did he teach it himself?
20:53 < splatch`> no, he going to learn
20:54 < splatch`> he works from one year in big company
20:54 < splatch`> interia.pl
20:54 < splatch`> that's one from bigger portals in poland
20:55 < splatch`> Onet are first, WP.pl are second and Interia.pl are three
20:56 < splatch`> he drawing hm.. from 3, 4 years, from one he's a proffesional designer
20:57 < splatch`> alike me and php :)
20:58 < splatch`> Wombert: if you'll flown into poland we'll drink together :)
21:02 < Wombert> hehe you bet :)
21:03 < splatch`> Wombert: who we'll first go to floor? ;)))
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21:11 < Wombert> splatch`: I
21:11 < Wombert> for sure
21:15 < splatch`> ;)
21:36 < splatch`> I so tired..
21:37 < splatch`> anyone can made supper form me? :)
21:37 < splatch`> *for
23:36 < splatch`> hmm
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04:32 < jake> I don't suppose anyone has actionsequence.png do they?
04:34 < Wombert> no :\
04:34 < Wombert> jake: will you be around "later"?
04:34 < Wombert> i.e. in 6 hrs or so
04:34 < jake> Probably
04:34 < Wombert> I might tackle the XMLRPC thing then
04:35 < Wombert> a quick question there if I way
04:35 < Wombert> may
04:35 < jake> Wombert do you know what I'm talking about? (actionsequence.png)
04:35 < jake> sure
04:35 < Wombert> this execution flow diagram thing?
04:35 < Wombert> for mojavi?
04:35 < jake> yep
04:35 < Wombert> I don't have it
04:35 < Wombert> v-dogg: might
04:35 < Wombert> or impl
04:35 < jake> I have to give a presentation next week. I'll ask them.
04:36 < Wombert> anyways... do you use structs for XMLRPC requests?
04:36 < Wombert> or are you only using SOAP
04:36 < Wombert> because by default neither seems to have "named" arguments for a method call, right?
04:36 < jake> we use SOAP and XMLRPC
04:36 < jake> they both do, actually
04:37 < Wombert> in XMLRPC, I use a <struct> with <name> and <value> then, right?
04:37 < jake> yep
04:37 < Wombert> obviously, I can't handle the regular approach without a struct and just a list of arguments for the called method
04:37 < Wombert> okay
04:37 < Wombert> and SOAP?
04:37 < jake> which I translate to be name/value pairs in agavi
04:37 < Wombert> it seems a lot more complicated
04:37 < Wombert> yeah that's what I wanted to do
04:37 < Wombert> seems a piece of cake compared to SOAP
04:38 < Wombert> I looked at some SOAP samples, and I couldn't even figure out how the called method's name is specified etc etc
04:38 < Wombert> and unfortunately, PHP doesn't ship with a SOAP extension that allows to just decode the request, like the XMLRPC extension does with xmlrpc_request_decode
04:39 < jake> Let's talk about it later. The approach I took was a little bit complex
04:39 < Wombert> okay
04:39 < Wombert> schweet
04:39 < Wombert> I'm headed to bed now
04:39 < Wombert> ah and
04:39 < Wombert> any news on the conference thing?
04:39 < Wombert> :>
04:39 < Wombert> ooooh and
04:39 < Wombert> gotta show you...
04:39 < Wombert> hah
04:39 < jake> let's see it
04:39 < Wombert> http://kazek.pl/agavi1.png and http://kazek.pl/agavi2.png
04:40 < Wombert> our new website design
04:40 < Wombert> we'll also get a nice logo
04:40 < Wombert> agavi2 is a bit nicer, obviously ;)
04:40 < Wombert> the designer is a friend of splatch`
04:40 < Wombert> I wrote him an email with thanks and some ideas I'll add to the site... http://wombert.pastebin.com/801503
04:41 < Wombert> if you have any input/suggestions in addition to what I wrote there, let me hear
04:42 < jake> Hmm. It's not what I was thinking, but it's an improvement :)
04:42 < Wombert> what were you thinking? :)
04:42 < Wombert> I must say I didn't _love_ it the first time I see it but now, every time I look at it, it's growing on me
04:42 < jake> What was that link you had sent me a while back? It was some site you really liked the design of....
04:42 < Wombert> "I saw it" of course
04:42 < Wombert> www.pradosoft.com ?
04:43 < Wombert> maybe
04:43 < Wombert> they have a nice logo
04:43 < jake> yep
04:43 < jake> I like the approach. No weird graphics, clean style, easy to read
04:43 < Wombert> yeah
04:43 < Wombert> but ours well be the same, basically
04:43 < Wombert> if you leave aside the agave plant that, for some reason, grows from top to bottom ^^
04:44 < Wombert> but it's a nice idea, I think, and it's gonna be pretty cool if we add that "fix gravity" button I described in the email
04:44 < jake> I'm not sure why, but I like the pradosoft design much more
04:44 < jake> I think I was hoping for that design, in orange :)
04:49 < Wombert> hehe
04:49 < Wombert> :)
04:54 < jake> The flower is lame, and the colors are _bright_, and with the background it reminds me of super mario brothers
04:56 < Wombert> lol :>
04:56 < Wombert> well, it's different
04:56 < Wombert> yeah I didn't lile the sky first, either
04:57 < Wombert> but it looks better than plain bright
04:57 < jake> it does
04:57 < Wombert> I was already thinking of only showing the agave plant on the start page
05:01 < jake> *shudder*
05:01 < jake> it looks like a weed
05:05 < Wombert> haha
05:05 < Wombert> you should have seen digitarald's logo "idea"
05:06 < Wombert> _that_ looked like weed
05:07 < Wombert> http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agavo
05:07 < Wombert> errrr
05:07 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agave
05:07 < jake> hahaha
05:08 < Wombert> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agaven
05:08 < Wombert> better photos
05:08 < Wombert> I think it's a pretty slick idea to have it grow from top to bottom
05:08 < Wombert> we can add some slogan like "so powerful it defeats gravity" or so to the title ;)
05:09 < jake> hey, it's your call. I'm just saying, I saw the design and saw a weed
05:25 < Wombert> haha
05:25 < Wombert> sure ;)
05:32 < Wombert> l8rs
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08:55 < v-dogg> jake: we have these http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/wiki/UML
08:56 < v-dogg> and I have some mojavi diagram too
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09:09 < raidman> morning
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12:51 < horros> hi
12:51 < horros> v-dogg: around?
12:54 < horros> help plz kthx keke lar
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16:43 < digitarald> ah ... weekend ...
16:47 < Wombert> what's that?
17:04 < digitarald> weekend? ... heard that in the news today, during working on my degree work ... convertig all my javascript classes to moo.tools ...
17:05 < Wombert> I have no idea what you're talking about
17:05 < Wombert> what's the point of a weekend?
17:05 < Wombert> I mean, what do you do on a weekend?
17:05 < Wombert> how long does it last?
17:05 < Wombert> does it cost anything to participate?
17:06 < Wombert> is it a work thing?
17:06 < Wombert> or that other one... what's it called again...
17:06 < Wombert> ah... leisure time
17:06 < Wombert> whatever that is
17:06 < Wombert> xD
17:06 < digitarald> costs a lot ... my girlfriend is actually working ... so real weekends where a ling time ago ... but i still remember it ... i hope
17:06 < Wombert> "The weekend is a part of the week lasting one or two days in which most paid workers do not work. This is a time for leisure and recreation, and/or for religious activities. It is also a method of regaining sleep lost on homework."
17:06 < Wombert> oO
17:07 < Wombert> sweet
17:07 < digitarald> coll thing, right?
17:07 < digitarald> cool
17:07 < Wombert> I'd love to have weekends
17:07 < Wombert> or any sort of holiday (did I spell that right?)
17:07 < Wombert> :>>>
17:08 < digitarald> no ... here they say vacaciones ... next week 4 days Sevilla will be my vacaciones this year ;)
17:09 < Wombert> yeah that's about the holidays I get
17:09 < Wombert> if any
17:09 < Wombert> I just can't afford (time-wise, not money-wise) to be away for two weeks :|
17:11 < digitarald> same for me ... because of that only 4 days ... birthday. but working is cool ;) ... even at so-called weekends :D
17:11 < Wombert> it depends
17:11 < Wombert> I sometimes really realize how burned out I am
17:11 < Wombert> after a couple of weeks of 14hrs/day work
17:11 < Wombert> or if there is a deadline etc
17:12 < Wombert> that's when I'm just sitting around for days and don't get anything done
17:12 < Wombert> right now, for instance, I'm pretty fresh and motivated
17:12 < digitarald> worked till 2 o clock the last 2 days because of deadlines ...
17:12 < Wombert> but that might change any day
17:12 < Wombert> if there's a deadline, I sometimes work 24 hours nonstop
17:12 < Wombert> but that's not good
17:12 < Wombert> kills you
17:12 < Wombert> really does
17:12 < digitarald> me too ... sunny weather ... new flatscreen ... and playing javascript is always fun
17:14 < Wombert> I had a fantastic javascript article the other day
17:14 < Wombert> let me see if I can find it for you
17:16 < Wombert> http://www.digital-web.com/articles/objectifying_javascript/
17:16 < Wombert> good article, but that wasn't it
17:18 < Wombert> ah
17:18 < Wombert> there it is
17:18 < Wombert> http://www.digital-web.com/articles/scope_in_javascript/
17:18 < Wombert> read both of them
17:18 < Wombert> I knew a lot about closures and prototypes and scope already
17:18 < Wombert> but this .apply() and .call() stuff is sweet
17:18 < digitarald> bookmarked it already, but thank you ... it was linked here http://www.coryhudson.com/blog/2006/09/26/extending-dom-nodes-with-mootools/
17:18 < Wombert> javascript really, really is an awesome langauge
17:18 < Wombert> yeah
17:19 < Wombert> the second one is better anyway ;) (http://www.digital-web.com/articles/scope_in_javascript/)
17:19 < Wombert> is moo.* any good?
17:19 < Wombert> or dojo?
17:19 < digitarald> ah, the scope articel ...
17:19 < digitarald> dojo is overkill
17:19 < Wombert> I'm very used to prototype
17:19 < Wombert> it has so many good methods
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17:19 < Wombert> array.invoke()/apply()/detect()/filter()/grep() etc
17:19 < digitarald> moo.tools are great ... the best-of from base.js and prototype
17:19 < Wombert> don't ever want to code a gain without these
17:20 < digitarald> i always used prototype ...
17:20 < Wombert> and many other things... it's not so much about DOM etc but about the very basics of javascript it improves
17:20 < digitarald> decided this week to switch to moo.tools
17:20 < digitarald> try these articles and decide yourself
17:20 < digitarald> http://www.coryhudson.com/blog/2006/09/12/extending-objects-and-classes-with-mootools/
17:20 < digitarald> http://www.coryhudson.com/blog/2006/09/14/useful-utility-functions-in-mootools/
17:21 < digitarald> because of that i'm sitting now here, playing with moo.tools and converting all my prototype-based widgets to moo.tools ;)
17:22 < digitarald> tablewidget (data table with sorting, paging, inline-editing) is 60% faster
17:23 < digitarald> when script.aculo.us is an overkill (125kb to create drag&drop) ... moo.tools uses 17kb (uncompressed)
17:24 < digitarald> but prototype has some nice features, too ... not easy to decide. i.e. the new template system ...
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17:30 < Wombert> what template systtem?
17:31 < digitarald> prototype has a templates system
17:31 < digitarald> i'm working with the svn version ... but the remplate system is is already in rc1
17:32 < Wombert> yeah I got that but what does it do
17:33 < digitarald> thats the problem with prototype documentation ;) ... here is an example:
17:33 < digitarald> http://www.coryhudson.com/blog/2006/08/29/using-prototype-new-string-functions/ (header: Template Class)
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17:39 < digitarald> got it?
17:41 < Wombert> that is SUPER cool
17:41 < Wombert> wow
17:41 < Wombert> thanks
17:42 < digitarald> it is ... smarty in javascript :D
17:43 < digitarald> or what u want ... today is reading day ... 8 articles already done ... moo.tools is still cooler than prototype ;)
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17:57 < digitarald> Wombert, did u read the moo.tools articles?
17:57 < Wombert> nah
17:57 < Wombert> only a bit
17:57 < Wombert> I can't see why I should switch
17:57 < Wombert> are there any features moo has that prototype doesn't have?
17:57 < digitarald> yes, some improvements
17:57 < Wombert> hm
17:59 < digitarald> the articles are pretty good ... nothing like a-is-better-than-b. just introducing the features and comparing some to prototype
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18:14 < digitarald> Wombert: best thing on moo.tools ... based on base.js ... read the comment from the prototype-master ;) http://sam.conio.net/
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18:43 < Wombert> hmm
18:44 < Wombert> right now, the WebRouting sets the GET and POST parameters
18:44 < Wombert> not good IMO
18:44 < Wombert> should be done in WebRequest::initialize()
18:44 < Wombert> objections?
18:48 * digitarald vote: Yes
18:48 < CIA-11> david * r1094 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): added missing 'public' keywords to function declarations
18:53 < CIA-11> david * r1095 /trunk/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): merge request parameters in WebRequest::initialize(), not in WebRouting::execute()
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21:22 < Wombert> jake: are you awake yet?
21:22 < Wombert> need your advice regarding web services
21:24 < jake> good morning Wombert
21:24 < Wombert> oooh awesome
21:24 < Wombert> good evening jake
21:24 < Wombert> :=
21:24 < Wombert> )
21:24 < jake> tadah!
21:24 < Wombert> I was wondering
21:25 < Wombert> whether or not we should implement dedicated REST functionality
21:25 < Wombert> I'm not sure it's necessary; AgaviWebRequest can handle it already
21:25 < jake> Yeah, you shouldn't
21:25 < Wombert> I would, of course, have to add method mappings for PUT and DELETE, but besides that, do we need anything it doesn't offer?
21:25 < jake> You get REST with URL Parameters, and you can just output the response in XML. Now you have REST :)
21:25 < Wombert> yeah
21:26 < Wombert> that's what I was thinking
21:26 < Wombert> well okay we also need the ability to access the request body for PUT
21:26 < Wombert> file_get_contents('php://input') in your action would be pretty bad ;o)
21:26 < jake> Yeah, we only support GET and PUT for our REST implementation, but we didn't need anything else
21:27 < Wombert> maybe an AgaviRestRequest extends AgaviWebRequest?
21:27 < Wombert> that a) adds PUT and DELETE support and b) offers access to the raw input data
21:27 < Wombert> right now, I have AgaviWebserviceRequest extends AgaviWebRequest
21:28 < Wombert> and concrete implementations (AgaviXmlrpcRequest, AgaviNusoapRequest) extend AgaviWebserviceRequest
21:28 < Wombert> and I was wondering whether or not AgaviRestRequest would be a WebserviceRequest, too
21:28 < jake> Well, it's typically considered part of an SOA, just like XMLRPC and SOAP
21:28 < jake> SO _I_ would have it be a WebserviceRequest, even though it's arguable
21:28 < Wombert> yeha
21:28 < Wombert> gmg
21:28 < Wombert> hmh
21:29 < Wombert> the problem with rest is that... it's not really standardized when it comes to request and response, you know?
21:29 < Wombert> putting the variables of an xmlrpc request into request params is a piece of cake
21:29 < Wombert> but for a REST PUT... mmhmmm
21:29 < jake> Well, a response in REST is always the same
21:30 < jake> Well, I usually map PUT to $_FILES
21:30 < jake> and make it available in the same manner
21:30 < Wombert> that's a pretty slick idea actually
21:31 < Wombert> and it would be another reason to have it extend WebRequest, I wouldn't have to implement everything twice then ;)
21:31 < Wombert> you said your SOAP stuff was a little bit more complicated...?
21:32 < Wombert> man I'm glad to have you, you're the only one who uses SOA and other "enterprise" stuff extensively
21:33 < Wombert> and that's very, very good for Agavi ;)
21:33 < jake> So in my SoapRequest.class.php, I implement the following methods
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21:33 < jake> initialize, loadSoapParams, setParamsFromGet
21:33 < jake> in loadSoapParams I do the following
21:33 < jake> $content = file_get_contents('php://input');
21:34 < jake> $method = null;
21:34 < jake> $decoded = xmlrpc_decode_request($content, $method, 'UTF-8');
21:34 < jake> $methods = explode('.', $method);
21:34 < jake> $module = $methods[0];
21:34 < jake> $action = $methods[1];
21:34 < jake> $this->setParameter(AG_MODULE_ACCESSOR, $module);
21:34 < jake> $this->setParameter(AG_ACTION_ACCESSOR, $action);
21:35 < Wombert> that's exactly what I'm doing, too
21:35 < jake> foreach ( $decoded AS $anon_key => $some_value )
21:35 < jake> {
21:35 < jake> if ( is_array($some_value) )
21:35 < jake> {
21:35 < Wombert> except I'm splitting by ":" first (Module and Action) so the action may include dots
21:35 < jake> foreach ( $some_value AS $new_anon => $new_value )
21:35 < jake> {
21:35 < jake> $this->setParameter($new_anon, $new_value);
21:35 < jake> }
21:35 < jake> }
21:35 < jake> else
21:35 < jake> $this->setParameter($anon_key, $some_value)
21:35 < jake> done :)
21:36 < Wombert> yep
21:36 < jake> So what that means, is that if you _use_ name value pairs, they are available
21:36 < jake> If you don't, the index is available
21:36 < Wombert> I'll do the same, except that the "raw" method will also be passed to the routing, if enabled, so you can use the routing to map methods to actions
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21:37 < jake> Cool.
21:37 < Wombert> xmlrpc_blah only supports soap1.1 tho, right?
21:37 < jake> yep
21:38 < jake> The other problem with this type of implementation is a lack of a wdsl file
21:38 < Wombert> hmm
21:38 < Wombert> how exactly is that a problem?
21:38 < jake> Lots of implementations auto-generate a wdsl for you
21:39 < jake> Writing them by hand is next to impossible, or at least impractical
21:39 < Wombert> the thing is...
21:39 < Wombert> typically, you have a class
21:39 < Wombert> that has some methods
21:39 < Wombert> and from that, you can generate a WSDL
21:39 < Wombert> I don't see how that would be possible with Agavi
21:40 < jake> heh, it's not easy. What I would suggest is adding a comment markup, for specifying methods and arguments that should be included in a wdsl file
21:40 < jake> Then parsing the comment blocks to generate the wdsl
21:40 < jake> Like I said, not trivial, and probably not needed for an initial release :)
21:40 < Wombert> the other option would be to implement a WSDL generator that uses the validation to generate
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21:41 < Wombert> (ListProducts.xml validation config file, for instance)
21:41 < jake> We still have validate() AND registerValidators() right?
21:41 < Wombert> of course
21:41 < Wombert> and Actionname.xml
21:41 < jake> the problem is the validate() method
21:42 < jake> Since it's not a uniform way of doing validation. I can do if ( is_numeric($foo) ) { return false; } OR if ( is_int($foo) ) { return false; }
21:42 < jake> They may be equivalent for the particular implementation, but catching both of them would be difficult
21:42 < Wombert> I'd like to dig a very, very deep hole, throw the WSDL issue in there, fill it with concrete and hope it doesn't come back to haunt us until after 1.0
21:43 < Wombert> it's not only difficult, but much rather a big ass nightmare
21:43 < jake> hahaha, that's what I recommend
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21:45 < Wombert> I'll go back and code a bit
21:45 < Wombert> I should have some stuff for you to look at in an hour or so
21:45 < Wombert> once again, thanks for the input... mapping PUT to $_FILES is briliant
21:45 < jake> Cool. Let me know when you want me to take a look
21:46 < Wombert> sure
21:46 < Wombert> will you be around today?
21:46 < jake> Yep, I'll be working most of the day
21:46 < Wombert> and is it retarded autumn in seattle already, too? :(
21:46 < Wombert> schweet
21:46 < jake> haha, yes it is
21:47 < Wombert> one last thing
21:47 < Wombert> let's say we have an XMLRPC call
21:47 < Wombert> should I just discard any GET params?
21:47 < Wombert> not sure about that
21:51 < jake> I don't
21:51 < jake> I merge them, with the xmlrpc taking presedence in the case of a conflict
21:51 < Wombert> yeah, that's what I do, too
21:51 < Wombert> cool
21:51 < jake> That makes testing a breeze, since you can technically supply all parameters via the URL
21:52 < Wombert> mmmh
21:52 < Wombert> gonna have to implement proper encoding detection, I guess
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21:54 < Wombert> m000n
21:54 < Wombert> -n+h
21:54 < Wombert> the encoding in the xml prolog has precedence over the one in the Content-Type header of the request, right?
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22:00 < Wombert> ah wait
22:00 < Wombert> content type for xmlrpc is always text/xml
22:00 < Wombert> that helps a little
22:02 < Wombert> encoding: input encoding to translate to. defaults to iso-8859-1
22:02 < Wombert> that sucks
22:02 < Wombert> (php xmlrpc uses that as default, but that's wrong IIRC)
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22:28 < jake> I use UTF-8 as a default
22:28 < jake> and I found the action sequence :)
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22:37 < splatch`> o *!*@*
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23:11 < Trevize> Hi
23:11 < Wombert> hi Trevize
23:12 * impl is home
23:12 < Trevize> I've spoken with you before, about Mojavi and Agavi
23:12 < Wombert> yeah
23:12 < Trevize> I'm trying to install one of them, but it's confusing since there are no instructions at all
23:12 < impl> Wombert: Guess who got evacuated Thursday night? :<
23:13 < Trevize> There's that video, but it has no forward/rewind, which is messy
23:13 < Wombert> Trevize: don't install agavi 0.10.2
23:13 < Wombert> use the trunk from SVN
23:13 < Wombert> impl: evacuated? oO
23:13 < impl> Yeah...
23:14 < Wombert> wtf?
23:14 < impl> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5413676.stm
23:14 < Trevize> Is there SVN for windows?
23:14 < Wombert> where do you live?
23:14 < impl> In the town referenced in that article
23:14 < Wombert> Trevize: TortoiseSVN
23:14 < impl> Apex, NC
23:14 < Wombert> errr wtf
23:15 < Wombert> so is everything okay again?
23:15 < impl> Yeah
23:15 < Wombert> or does your living room somehow glow in a greenish tint
23:15 < impl> We were all allowed back this morning
23:15 < Wombert> good
23:15 < Wombert> :)
23:15 < impl> haha, no
23:15 < impl> :P
23:15 < impl> We were right on the edge of the evacuation zone
23:15 < Trevize> oh, SVN is subversion. Good to know
23:15 < impl> so no problems here
23:16 < Wombert> good
23:16 < Wombert> apex is a funny name for a town ;>
23:16 < Wombert> sounds like you were right on the apex of the apex evacuation zone, eh?
23:16 < Wombert> xDDD
23:16 < Wombert> okay, lame joke, disregard me
23:16 < Trevize> So what should I install instead?
23:16 < impl> haha
23:17 < Wombert> Trevize: do you need any help with that?
23:17 < impl> It's named like that because it's at the very top of the railroad line
23:17 < Wombert> oO
23:17 < Wombert> weird americans
23:17 < impl> :P
23:17 < Wombert> you know what's the weirdest thing about names in america?
23:17 < Wombert> the names you give to your children
23:18 < Trevize> Wombert: Seems I'll be needing some specific SVN command line
23:18 < Wombert> for instance, Cameron is a girl's name and a boy's name
23:18 < impl> Really?
23:18 < impl> Oh... yeah
23:18 < impl> We have a lot of names like that
23:18 < impl> Other countries don't do that?
23:18 < Wombert> mmmh... none I know
23:18 < Wombert> english is the only language
23:18 < Wombert> and
23:18 < Wombert> nobody here in germany would call their children... "apple"
23:18 < Wombert> or some other weird name
23:19 < Wombert> <:
23:19 < impl> haha
23:19 < Wombert> or "gaylord"
23:19 < Wombert> or so xD
23:19 < Wombert> Trevize: download tortoisesvn
23:19 < impl> :<
23:20 < Wombert> you can then easily "check out" trunk
23:20 < impl> I can happily say I don't know anyone named Apple or Gaylord
23:20 < Wombert> but you must know someone with a weird name
23:20 < Wombert> you know, someone named after a common object or so
23:20 < impl> I know a Swedish kid named Viking
23:20 < Wombert> like... "Fork Stephens"
23:20 < Wombert> LOL
23:20 < Wombert> VIKING?
23:20 < Wombert> AHAHAHAHAH
23:20 < impl> Yeah
23:21 * Wombert falls over
23:21 < impl> :x
23:21 < Wombert> anything else?
23:21 < Trevize> downloading..
23:21 < impl> Some people are named after dogs (although they find it offensive whenever I mention it)
23:21 < impl> For instance, I know a girl named Sadie
23:21 < Wombert> "Bicycle Linden"
23:21 < Wombert> is that a dog's name?
23:21 < impl> Yeah, here it is
23:22 < Wombert> I'd call my dog "Joe Cool"
23:22 < impl> haha
23:22 < impl> Our dogs are called things like "Baxter" and "Max"
23:22 < Wombert> and tell him my name is "Joe Schlabotnik"
23:22 < impl> I know a kid named Radford
23:22 < impl> I always thought that was a fruity first name
23:23 < Wombert> it rather sounds like a surname to me
23:23 < Wombert> "what's your name?"
23:23 < Wombert> "Radford Radford"
23:23 < impl> Ironically, our town managers surname /is/ Radford
23:23 < Wombert> oO
23:23 < Wombert> se
23:23 < Wombert> e
23:23 < Wombert> there you go
23:24 < impl> I found that after he was on the news for 12 hours straight because of this chemical thing
23:24 < impl> :<
23:24 < Wombert> but the surnames are just as strange, I find
23:24 < impl> Our surnames are mostly European :\
23:24 < Wombert> you know, when someone's called "Damon Hill"
23:24 < Wombert> I mean
23:24 < Wombert> "Hill"
23:24 < Wombert> ...
23:24 < Wombert> nobody here is called "Huegel"
23:24 < Wombert> or at least I don't know anybody
23:25 < impl> There are /tons/ of people with the last name Hill here
23:25 < Wombert> I guess it's just a common english name, ain't it
23:25 < impl> Quite
23:25 < Wombert> Most surnames of British origin fall into six types:
23:25 < Wombert> Occupations (e.g., Smith, Archer, Baker, Fisher)
23:25 < Wombert> Personal characteristics (e.g., Short, Brown, Whitehead)
23:25 < Wombert> Geographical features (e.g., Hill, Wood, Fields)
23:25 < Wombert> Place names (e.g., London, Hamilton', Sutton)
23:26 < impl> haha, I never even noticed that
23:26 < impl> But that is where the names come from
23:26 * impl chuckles
23:26 < Wombert> "what's your name sir?"
23:27 < Wombert> "my name is Fox Brown"
23:27 < Wombert> see, there you have the confusion
23:27 < impl> hehe
23:27 < Wombert> if his name was "Alexander Brown"... easy
23:28 < Wombert> oO
23:28 < Wombert> "Peter" means "rock"
23:28 < Wombert> "Thomas" means "twin"
23:28 < Wombert> "George" means "farmer"
23:28 < Wombert> oO
23:28 < impl> o.O
23:28 < Trevize> I wonder why I have to restart the system after installing TurtoiseSVN
23:29 < impl> Trevize: It installs explorer shell hook
23:29 < impl> s
23:29 < Wombert> Trevize: because you're using the wrong operating system ;)
23:29 < Wombert> www.apple.com/getamac
23:29 < Wombert> :>
23:29 < Trevize> ok. brb
23:29 < impl> http://www.debian.org/
23:29 < impl> :>
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23:29 < Wombert> Germanic names often are warlike in nature, or have roots meaning "glory." The "-bert" element common in many such names comes from beraht, which means "bright." Examples: Albert, Robert, Norbert, Gilbert, Alfred, Adelaide, Edward, Roger, Rosalind, Emma, Gerard, Gertrude, Henry, Matilda.
23:29 < Wombert> yeah
23:29 < Wombert> sure
23:29 < Wombert> may I introduce myself
23:29 < Wombert> my name is ACHTUNG BLITZKRIEG
23:29 < Wombert> zomg
23:29 < Wombert> :>>>
23:30 < Wombert> ze krazy germans
23:30 < impl> I wish my name was Norbert
23:30 < impl> That's an awesome name
23:30 < Wombert> really?
23:30 < Wombert> I fucking hate that name
23:30 < impl> lol
23:30 < impl> I think it's hilarious
23:30 < Wombert> I had a teacher back in school, his name was Norbert, and he was such a moron
23:30 < impl> HEY NORBERT
23:31 < Wombert> ahaha
23:31 < Wombert> a boy's name I love
23:31 < impl> "David" :P
23:31 < Wombert> and one I'll certainly give to my son should I have one (please, please, at least one boy, two girls would be killing me)
23:31 < Wombert> is "Oskar"
23:32 < impl> That's a cool name
23:32 < Wombert> new neighbors moved in some time ago, and they too have a little son called Oskar
23:32 < Wombert> that's such a cool name
23:32 < Wombert> way better with a "k" tho... "Oscar" is kinda lame
23:32 < impl> Spelling it with a c reminds me of the green fellow who lives in a garbage can :P
23:32 < Wombert> too many people give their children "hip" names of foreign origin but that sucks
23:33 < Wombert> spelling it with a c reminds me of the golden guy that's handed to "liberal jewbags who fucking hate america" each year
23:33 < Wombert> to quite Jon Stewart here
23:33 < Wombert> ;)
23:33 < Wombert> ah but you don't watch the Daily Show, do you? :(
23:33 < Wombert> but jake does!
23:33 < impl> I don't get cable
23:34 < Wombert> :S
23:34 < Wombert> but you know that Hollywood hates America, right?
23:34 < impl> I know that everyone hates America
23:34 < impl> :\
23:34 < Wombert> I don't
23:34 < impl> You probably should
23:34 < Wombert> I just think your country was better off if you threw out all these GOP voters
23:35 < jake> I watch the Daily show
23:35 < Wombert> jake: we'll get comedy central on cable in january
23:35 < Wombert> they'll show the daily show
23:35 < Wombert> and you know what?
23:35 < Wombert> from what I understand, we get to see the latest episode FOUR HOURS before it first airs in the U.S.
23:35 < Wombert> how cool is that
23:36 < Wombert> jake: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061004-7908.html
23:36 < impl> :(
23:36 < Wombert> one reason I like the daily show so much is because it really, really gives me a good impression of what the media in the U.S. is like
23:36 < Wombert> very right wing
23:37 < Wombert> I heard the other day that I'd probably have to throw up if I ever learned what CNN is like over at your place
23:37 < Wombert> seems to be very different from CNN intl / europe
23:38 < impl> I've never really watched it much
23:38 < Wombert> or Fox news
23:38 < Wombert> duuuude
23:38 < impl> lol
23:38 < impl> fox news
23:38 < impl> What a joke
23:38 < Wombert> that is too much for the average european
23:38 < Wombert> who the hell watches that?
23:38 < Wombert> that's not information, that's... uhm... whatever
23:38 < impl> No one, as far as I know
23:39 < Wombert> it's the most popular news programme in the U.S, so someone's watching it ;)
23:39 < Wombert> but I mean... at least to me, the stuff in there is so OBVIOUSLY made up
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23:39 < Wombert> and so OBVIOUSLY biased
23:39 < impl> lol
23:39 < Wombert> how could you believe what they're saying?
23:39 < Trevize> Hi. I've got SVN now. yay-yay
23:39 < Wombert> Trevize: sweet
23:40 < Wombert> create a new folder, let's call it "agavi-trunk"
23:40 < Wombert> where you create it is up to you, but for now, it's probably easiest if you put it somehwere below your document root
23:41 < Wombert> impl: did you notice that Clinton Interview thing?
23:41 < Wombert> where Fox and the other dickhead channels said he "lost it" afterwards?
23:41 < impl> Nope..
23:41 < Wombert> mmmh...
23:41 < Wombert> I saw the original interview
23:41 < Trevize> Done
23:41 < Wombert> and then I saw clips from Fox where they show a "summary" of it...
23:42 < Trevize> hmm - brb (running mIRC under wrong user)
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23:42 < Wombert> they even changed the chronological order of the exceprts to prove their point
23:42 < Wombert> which, as usual, was, that dems hate america, and blah blah blah
23:42 < Wombert> that's just so retarded
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23:43 < Trevize> Tov. What's now?
23:43 < Wombert> create that channel
23:43 < Wombert> errrr
23:43 < Wombert> folder
23:43 < Wombert> xD
23:43 < Trevize> I did
23:43 < Wombert> right click -> SVN -> checkout
23:44 < Wombert> svn://svn.agavi.org/agavi/trunk
23:45 < Trevize> lotsa files there
23:45 < Trevize> done
23:45 < Wombert> good
23:45 < Wombert> you're now on the bleeding edge
23:46 < Wombert> you should right click and "update" regularly
23:46 < Wombert> do you have pear installed?
23:46 < Wombert> and set up?
23:46 < splatch`> zief
23:46 < splatch`> oops
23:46 < splatch`> *yawn* ;)
23:46 < Trevize> I think. I did go-pear.bat today
23:47 < Wombert> good
23:47 < Wombert> install phing
23:47 < Wombert> http://phing.info
23:47 < Wombert> it's not _really_ necessary, but very very helpful because it makes your life with agavi a lot easier
23:47 < splatch`> Wombert: agavi installation steep by steep
23:47 < Wombert> splatch`: it's described in the manual ;)
23:47 < splatch`> :)
23:47 < splatch`> two minutes tutorial
23:48 < splatch`> ok, i've go sleep
23:48 < splatch`> bye everyone!
23:48 < Wombert> good night
23:49 < Trevize> Is there a manual?
23:49 < Trevize> Because I didn't find one. If I did, I wouldn't have bothered you
23:49 < Wombert> in docs/docbook ;)
23:49 < Wombert> but only in trunk
23:49 < Wombert> I'll walk you through the rest of the setup now
23:49 < Wombert> let me know once you installed phing
23:50 < Trevize> I did (without optional dependencies)
23:50 < splatch`> Wombert: kazek today will going to create an logo :)
23:50 < Wombert> splatch`: w0000t! nice! nice! nice!
23:50 < Wombert> :>
23:50 < Wombert> impl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXZkcw7jPjM watch that
23:50 < splatch`> Wombert: me?
23:50 < splatch`> aah
23:50 < impl> k!
23:51 < impl> :P
23:51 < Wombert> and, of course, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR24vl1FLm8 that's the #1 best clip everrrrrr
23:51 < Wombert> impl: this situation
23:52 < Wombert> where he asks a question about the CIA's prisons
23:52 < Wombert> and the president totally evades the question and talks some "I'm the president, I'm protecting your family" bullshit...
23:53 < splatch`> Wombert: logo should be at monady
23:53 < splatch`> monday
23:53 < splatch`> [d]
23:53 < Wombert> if any politician did that here in germany, he'd sure be ripped apart by the media, and probably also by the people
23:53 < Wombert> splatch`: fantastic, say many greetings and thank yous to him!
23:53 < Wombert> Trevize: okay, now edit samples/app/index.php
23:54 < Wombert> err
23:54 < Wombert> samples/pub/index.php
23:54 < Wombert> the INSERT PATH TO AGAVI.PHP HERE
23:54 < Wombert> ../../src/agavi.php will do the job
23:54 < impl> Wombert: bahaha
23:54 < Wombert> then fire up samples/pub/ in your browser
23:55 < Wombert> impl: you find that funny... watch the second clip
23:55 * impl watches
23:57 < Trevize> Great. It shows a nic menu
23:57 < Wombert> Trevize: good!
23:58 < Wombert> if you want to get an impression of what agavi can do
23:58 < Wombert> try to login
23:58 < Wombert> then, watch the template (samples/app/modules/Default/templates/LoginInput.php)
23:58 < Trevize> nic=nice
23:58 < Wombert> the form population filter does that. independent of any template engine
23:59 < Trevize> I wonder why the menu is in German though
23:59 < Wombert> once you're done playing around with the sample app (sorry, right now it's in german, that' just a test, click the second entry)
23:59 < Wombert> let me know, we'll create your first project
23:59 < Wombert> yeah it's a preparation for the i18n support we're currently adding (last item on the list)
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00:01 < jake> that cheney clip on daily show is hilarious
00:03 < Trevize> I looked on the login template, but it doesn't tell me much
00:03 < Trevize> It's just HTML
00:03 < Wombert> Trevize: that's the point! :)
00:03 < Wombert> and yet, the values you entered when the form is displayed again due to an error are re-inserted
00:04 < Wombert> and erroneous fields are highlighted red
00:04 < Trevize> cute
00:04 < Wombert> jake: it is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6gpzo67TH0 :)
00:04 < Wombert> also a very very good one
00:04 < Wombert> watch till the end where they make fun of Cheney's "EEEEEEH" voice again hrhr
00:05 < impl> THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS SHOT A 78-YEAR OLD MAN IN THE FACE
00:05 < impl> That was hilarious
00:06 < Wombert> that is _so_ funny
00:06 < Wombert> I loved "Mr. Whittington's condition has now been upgraded from... stable to... stable, but still shot in the face by the vide president" :>
00:08 < Wombert> why the hell is a man who says "nucular weapon" president of that country
00:08 < Wombert> I so don't get it
00:08 < Wombert> (no offense, I guess you guys voted dems)
00:08 < impl> You know how the guy who got "shot" in the video game spoke?
00:08 < impl> Half our country talks like that
00:08 < Wombert> lol
00:08 < Wombert> :
00:08 < Wombert> >
00:08 < Wombert> what did he talk like?
00:09 < impl> A hick from Texas
00:09 < Wombert> ah
00:09 < Wombert> okay :>
00:10 < Trevize> Wombert, so.. how do I read the documentation? It's in XML
00:10 < Wombert> Trevize: it's a docbook
00:10 < Wombert> www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor is a good editor/viewer
00:11 < jake> god damn it. My music collection is too large to use anything other than xmms or mpg123
00:11 < Wombert> jake: hmm
00:11 < impl> Write your own player ;P
00:11 < Wombert> jake: I'd recommend iTunes, but it seems like you're on Linux ;)
00:11 < jake> Everything I try; amorok, songbird, beep, etc
00:12 < impl> How about JuK?
00:12 < Wombert> Trevize: shall we create your first project?
00:14 < Trevize> Sure
00:16 < Wombert> Trevize: good
00:16 < Wombert> first, create a new folder
00:16 < Wombert> outside of agavi-trunk
00:16 < Wombert> by the way, these installation steps are only necessary because you're installing by hand, not via PEAR (because there's no release of 0.11 yet)
00:17 < Trevize> Ok. I did
00:17 < Trevize> I called it my-agavi-proj
00:17 < Wombert> copy etc/agavi.bat-dist to that folder and rename it to "agavi.bat", then edit it
00:18 < Trevize> heh. It's not in DOS format
00:19 < Trevize> Editting it in Crimson Editor now
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00:19 < Trevize> (is there a better editor, btw?)
00:20 < Wombert> it's a good editor, but a bit slow for my taste
00:20 < Wombert> back when I was a windows user, I used EditPlus
00:20 < Wombert> Crimson Editor basically is a free copy of EditPlus
00:21 < Wombert> Trevize: what you have to do
00:21 < Wombert> is adjust the path to "phing.php"
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00:21 < jake> Songbird crashed my computer :(
00:21 < Wombert> once you're done, test by running "agavi help"
00:22 < Wombert> jake: haha
00:22 < Wombert> and I thought linux was supposed to be a stable OS
00:22 < Trevize> Should I change the AGAVI_INSTALLATION dir as well?
00:23 < jake> Well the problem is really that I mount my music and home via nfs, Songbird stressed nfs by trying to load my music and made my home inaccessible
00:23 < Wombert> Trevize: oh yeah right of course
00:23 < jake> so I had to reboot
00:23 < Wombert> but that#s cross platform, isn't it this iTunes copy?
00:23 < Trevize> I'm afraid I've got spaces in my folder names
00:23 < Wombert> Trevize: wrap the values into "
00:23 < Wombert> that should work
00:24 < Trevize> I did
00:24 < Wombert> no luck?
00:24 < Wombert> :S
00:24 < Trevize> It says Buildfile: \program does not exist!
00:25 < Wombert> mmmh yeah it's "Program Files", right?
00:25 < Wombert> uncool
00:25 < Wombert> stupid windows
00:25 < Wombert> I guess you have to enter short path names for now
00:25 < Wombert> "dir" has an option to show them
00:25 < Wombert> it's this Progra~1 stuff
00:26 < Trevize> FAR has that option too (ctrl-n)
00:27 < Trevize> hmm
00:27 < Trevize> but seems that they get translated into long file names in the way
00:27 < jake> It's an iTuns copy
00:27 < jake> yeah
00:27 < Trevize> Buildfile: C:\progra~1\apache~1\apache\htdocs\agavi-trunk\build.xml
00:27 < Trevize> [property] Loading C:\Program Files\Apache Group\Apache\htdocs\agavi-trunk\build.properties
00:27 < Trevize> [property] Unable to find property file: C:\Program Files\Apache Group\Apache\htdocs\agavi-trunk\build.properties... skipped
00:27 < jake> Well, I like it better than windows
00:27 < Trevize> I guess I'll have to move all the Agavi stuff to a space-less dir
00:28 < Trevize> hmm..
00:28 < Trevize> actually that file doesn't exist at all
00:28 < Wombert> Trevize: no wait
00:28 < Trevize> there's build.xml but not build.properties
00:28 < Wombert> it has to point to \src
00:28 < Wombert> sorry for the confusion
00:29 < Wombert> the build.properties warning is normal, btw
00:30 < Trevize> so I have to point AGAVI_INSTALLATION to agavi-trunk/src?
00:30 < Trevize> seems to work indeed
00:33 < Wombert> now type "agavi project"
00:33 < Wombert> and just hit return on every prompt
00:33 < jake> Songbird has traversed 1/3 of my music, and it's db is 21M, which doesn't bode well for this being a 'fast' application
00:34 < Trevize> done
00:34 < Trevize> So now - the rest is like in the movie?
00:35 < Wombert> Trevize: now open app/modules/Default/templates/IndexSuccess.php
00:35 < Wombert> and write something into it
00:35 < Wombert> "Hello World" or so
00:35 < Wombert> then fire up pub/ in your browser
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00:36 < Trevize> I have app/models there too. Unfortunately it's empty and doesn't contain lovely models
00:37 < Trevize> Done
00:37 < Wombert> :)
00:37 < Trevize> It shows me that file
00:38 < Wombert> now you can write an app
00:38 < Wombert> the "samples" app is a small example of how thngs are structured
00:38 < Wombert> use that as a starting point
00:38 < Wombert> many things are different from 0.10 (0.9 is the version from the movie)
00:38 < Trevize> oh
00:39 < Wombert> read the intro manual first
00:39 < Wombert> it describes the strucutre and execution flow
00:39 < Wombert> the manual gives you some first information
00:39 < Wombert> the cookbook... has popular recipes etc
00:40 < Wombert> as you can see, the documentation is far from finished
00:40 < Wombert> we're looking for contributors ;)
00:42 < Trevize> Well, if that company accepts me, I might contribute
00:45 < Trevize> Now downloading that docbook editor
00:46 < jake> "Finally, remember to include Linux users in your prayers tonight. As individuals we may not be able to change people’s minds, but the Bible teaches that God can make any sinner repent."
00:46 < jake> There are some increadibly insane Americans
01:03 < Wombert> wtf
01:03 < Wombert> oO
01:03 < Wombert> hmm
01:03 < Wombert> stay up until the Formula1 GP begins
01:03 < Wombert> or go to bed now and get up early
01:03 < Wombert> hmhmhm
01:08 < jake> You want to watch the F1 GP
01:09 < Wombert> sure
01:09 < Wombert> I've watched almost every Grand Prix since... mmh...
01:09 < Wombert> I can't remember a time where I did NOT watch Formula1
01:10 < jake> heh
01:10 < jake> Then you know what you're going to do
01:10 < Wombert> I'll go to bed and get up in time
01:12 < Wombert> btw... jake... if(is_array($decoded) && is_string(array_pop(array_keys($decoded))) {
01:12 < Wombert> to make sure it's a struct ;)
01:12 < Wombert> but then, it could be an array, too, you never know
01:14 < jake> yep, exactly
01:14 * Trevize takes a walk
01:20 < Wombert> jake: do you know if you can attend the conference yet?
01:28 * Wombert yawns
01:28 < Wombert> good night guys
01:28 * Wombert see ya in six hours
01:29 < jake> I can't, the tickets were $1k to start (flight), since the notice was so short
01:29 < Wombert> :S
01:29 < Wombert> too bad
01:30 < Wombert> well, maybe next time ;)
01:30 < Wombert> catch ya later
01:30 < jake> Our finance person doesn't like last minute trips
01:30 < jake> later
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07:23 < impl> Wombert: You're up early
07:23 < impl> G'morning to ya
07:24 < Wombert> hi
07:24 < Wombert> yeah just woke out without analarm
07:24 < Wombert> nice
07:24 < Wombert> :>
07:24 < Wombert> just in time for th erace
07:24 < Wombert> starts in 35 minutes
07:24 < impl> Horses, or cars?
07:24 < Wombert> gonna heh ;)
07:24 < Wombert> Formula 1
07:24 < Wombert> Suzuka, Japan
07:24 < impl> Ah, cool
07:42 < Wombert> japan is so weird
07:42 < Wombert> the grid girls are dressed like schoolgirls
07:43 < Wombert> and a lot of fans are dressed like the drivers, complete with overall and helmet
07:43 < Wombert> I've been watching F1 for 20 years and I swear there is no other country where the fans do that
07:43 < impl> o.O
07:44 < impl> http://tmbo.org/offensive/2006/10/05/index.php?id=12 <-- do you really have signs like that? :P
07:49 < Wombert> welucomo tuo suzuka
07:50 < Wombert> impl: hmm never saw such a sign ;)
07:50 < impl> aw :P
07:51 < Wombert> it says "attention, playing children"
07:51 < Wombert> looks austrian
07:51 * impl nods
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12:15 < Wombert> anybody wanna install 5.2.0rc6 and run the agavi unit tests to see if anything breaks?
12:16 < Wombert> compiling PHP takes a couple of hours on my slow G4 here, can't be bothered
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19:32 < Wombert> mmmmh
19:32 < Wombert> cute
19:32 < Wombert> XMLRPC support is up and running
19:32 < shoan_> nice :)
19:32 < Wombert> I just had to edit two config files
19:32 < Wombert> add one method to a view
19:32 < Wombert> and bam
19:32 < Wombert> SearchEngineSpamAction can be used as a web service
19:33 < Wombert> this is so cool
19:33 < Wombert> mh okay three config files, but only a couple of lines for each of them, and most involved initial setup
19:33 < Wombert> under normal circumstances, it's just an executeXmlrpc() for the view and a new route
19:33 < Wombert> and you're done
19:34 < Wombert> now show me how to do that with symfony
19:34 < Wombert> oh wait looks like they suck too much
19:34 < Wombert> http://www.symfony-project.com/forum/index.php/m/4229/
19:57 < Wombert> oO
19:57 < Wombert> lol
19:57 < Wombert> http://www.symfony-project.com/forum/index.php/m/4229/ vs http://www.symfony-project.com/forum/index.php/m/4229
19:57 < Wombert> wtf :p
20:05 < shoan_> they are both the same url :p
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20:10 < Wombert> yeah but different pages with and without / at the end
20:37 < splatch`> hello
20:42 < Wombert> hi splatch`
20:42 < Wombert> how are you doing?
20:42 < Wombert> :>
20:43 < splatch`> i has been in school
20:43 < Wombert> oO
20:43 < Wombert> on sundays?
20:43 < splatch`> and now, I restin'
20:43 < splatch`> Wombert: yes
20:43 < splatch`> Wombert: school in weekends
20:45 < splatch`> Wombert: we calling this "extramural studies"
20:48 < splatch`> wihmm.. how are you doing?
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20:56 < Wombert> splatch`: lllllllook and listen
20:57 < CIA-11> david * r1096 /trunk/ (21 files in 10 dirs):
20:57 < CIA-11> added experimental support for Web Services, right now one concrete
20:57 < CIA-11> implementation for the XMLRPC-EPI PHP extension is bundled (no support for
20:57 < CIA-11> response options and input/output character encoding detection yet). sample app
20:57 < CIA-11> contains a small test case for that - use xmlrpc.php and call method
20:57 < CIA-11> 'getItemPrice', argument 'name' may be any of what can be viewed in 'Search
20:57 < CIA-11> Engine Spam' in the web interface. refs #301, #302 and #332
20:57 < Wombert> there you go. enjoy :)
20:57 < splatch`> Wombert: ... :)~~
20:57 < impl> Hey now what's that sound? Everybody look what's going 'round
20:57 * impl doesn't even know if those are the real lyrics
20:59 < Wombert> brb
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22:06 < splatch> Wombert: maybe today kazek will show new logo
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22:12 < splatch`> http://kazek.pl/agavi/
22:12 < splatch`> benny`work, eremit, Macca`, stoni, Wombert, shoan_, ttj, digitarald, impl, v-dogg
22:13 < Wombert> oO
22:14 < Wombert> :>
22:14 < impl> I like the third one the best
22:14 < Wombert> which?
22:14 < impl> http://kazek.pl/agavi/_logo.png
22:14 < splatch`> Wombert: kazek says: the logo is fast draft
22:14 < Wombert> splatch`: okay
22:14 < Wombert> what does everyone else think? impl?
22:14 < impl> It looks more like an 'i'
22:14 < Wombert> should we have a plant in the logo
22:14 < Wombert> or rather a plain "i"?
22:15 < Wombert> ah
22:15 < Wombert> right
22:15 < impl> Out of curiosity, what does the plant have to do with anything
22:15 < Wombert> these are different
22:15 < Wombert> it's an agave plant
22:15 < impl> Ooh
22:15 < Wombert> but I'm starting to think that maybe we should leave it out of the logo?
22:15 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agave
22:15 < Wombert> grows in the mojave desert, too, by the way ;)
22:16 < impl> Why not just make it the logo and have the I remain as it is
22:16 < Wombert> splatch`: the second logo, is that a different font? or the same?
22:16 < impl> e.g. [plant here] [agavi text here]
22:16 < Wombert> impl: yeah that might be a good idea
22:16 < Wombert> splatch`: did you get that?
22:16 < splatch`> Wombert: yes, i'll ask
22:16 < Wombert> the plant in front of the logo, and a "normal" i
22:16 < Wombert> splatch`: the plant can also be even simpler if you like
22:16 < digitarald> i liked the blue skie
22:16 < Wombert> splatch`: does he have alternative fonts?
22:17 < Wombert> something bolder and maybe less... curvy?
22:17 < Wombert> digitarald: I agree, blue is better, but I think I understand the idea behind it
22:17 < Wombert> splatch`: is that for morning and evening and day etc?
22:17 < Wombert> and is that snow on the plant there? (in 3_1)
22:17 < splatch`> Wombert: yy, i don't get
22:18 < digitarald> the agavi in the i ... nice idea
22:18 < Wombert> digitarald: hmm you think so?
22:18 < Wombert> I'm not sure
22:18 < digitarald> thats your weather ;) ...
22:18 < Wombert> I'm thinking that having two "parts"... the plant and a lettering... would be better, don't you think?
22:18 < Wombert> because the plant could go into the favicon, for instance
22:19 < digitarald> looks good ... the name says the plant ... otherwise it would be difficult to see the agavi in this ... flower
22:19 < digitarald> agave ... not agavi :D
22:19 < Wombert> splatch`: what didn't you understand? I'll say it again :)
22:19 < splatch`> Wombert: ok :)
22:19 < digitarald> the menu in the header is better than floating in the context ...
22:20 < splatch`> Wombert: you wrote "There would be a button in the upper right titled "show me the weaaatheeerrrr" or so, that could be used to enable/disable the clouds. "
22:20 < Wombert> I really like the "SHOW ME THE WEATHER" font
22:20 < digitarald> and the blue is a must-have ... a 4th color, makes it all shiny ;)
22:20 < splatch`> kazek was extend this
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22:20 < digitarald> where to put the fancy ajax action :D
22:22 < Wombert> splatch`: you mean summer and winter etc? it's snowing there, I can see... very cool
22:22 < digitarald> common links should be in the header ... like the rss or svn newsfeed. svn newsfeed is very important i think, to show the fast evolution of agavi
22:23 < Wombert> splatch`: here's an idea... we always show the weather, and the "SHOW ME WEATHER" button becomes "FIX GRAVITY"
22:23 < Wombert> because that light orange bar would stay if the gravity gets "fixed"
22:23 < digitarald> the homepage now shows nothing about 0.11 ... there are old news about 0.10 ... everybody should know thats an project with cool and hard-working developers!
22:23 < Wombert> splatch`: can you ask him to change it so the menu looks like the "SHOW ME WEATHER" tab?
22:23 < digitarald> thats not too small?
22:23 < Wombert> and the active element would have a triangle at the bottom like in http://kazek.pl/agavi1.png
22:24 < Wombert> digitarald: he can make it larger
22:24 < Wombert> how about the following... "FIX GRAVITY" in upper left
22:24 < Wombert> RSS icon in top right (perfect... with the orange background)
22:24 < Wombert> and the menu in the "middle"
22:24 < impl> "Now with anti-gravity suits"
22:25 < Wombert> impl: yeah we could put changing slogans into that... what's this thing in the upper right called?
22:25 < impl> A banner? :s
22:25 < Wombert> okay
22:25 < Wombert> what I thought
22:25 < impl> I'm not sure what the exact terminology is
22:26 < splatch`> so.. logo is good in this form?
22:26 < Wombert> splatch`: should I create a quick version of what my idea is so he can see?
22:27 < Wombert> splatch`: I think it would be better if the plant was in front of the "AGAVI", with a normal "i"
22:27 < Wombert> so we can leave the plant out sometimes, or sometimes only show the plant (in the FAVICON for example)
22:27 < Wombert> splatch`: should I create a quick photoshop?
22:27 < splatch`> Wombert: good idea ;)
22:42 < Wombert> uploading...
22:43 < Wombert> wtf oO
22:44 < Wombert> splatch`: http://www.bitxtender.com/wom/agavi3_1_2.png
22:44 < Wombert> digitarald, impl ?
22:44 < Wombert> the fonts for the menu item things suck, of course
22:44 < Wombert> and the feed icon is way too big etc etc
22:45 < Wombert> splatch`: could kazek try some other fonts for the logo?
22:45 < impl> Yeah, that could work
22:45 < impl> I like the logo like that better too
22:45 < impl> Your "I" is quite straight... :P
22:45 < Wombert> it could be a bit... "wider" I think
22:45 < Wombert> so the logo itself becomes more square-shaped
22:45 < Wombert> not sure tho
22:45 < Wombert> and entirely up to the designer
22:46 < Wombert> especially since that's kinda hard to achieve with a slim plant that grows 10 meters tall
22:47 < Wombert> splatch`: the "defeat gravity" banner would then contain something else, we could also change that every month or so
22:47 < Wombert> splatch`: and the clouds in the background would always show... and maybe with snow in the winter etc, and that reddish sky in the autumn or so
22:47 < Wombert> splatch`: I'm not sure if the menu is good like that, maybe kazek has a better idea?
22:48 < Wombert> and say thanks again for his hard work
22:48 < Wombert> we really appreciate it!
22:49 < Wombert> impl: we could make the entire header thing static, what do you think?
22:49 < Wombert> so only the content itself scrolls
22:49 < Wombert> I also thought about having this page there for the start page
22:50 < impl> That would look cool
22:50 < Wombert> and for sub-pages, a navigation menu would be on the left, layed over the plant... it would look like the "Recent Forum threads" box, but the background would be semi-transparent, with a milk glass blur
22:50 < impl> I know if you make the background static like that, it really lags Firefox though
22:50 < Wombert> mmmh I can't wait to build the XHTML for it
22:50 < Wombert> does it?
22:50 < Wombert> hmm
22:50 < impl> Yeah
22:50 < Wombert> I got an idea then ;)
22:50 < Wombert> next to the feed icon
22:50 < impl> I'm not sure if they've fixed that with FF 2.0 or later versions of 1.5
22:50 < Wombert> or next to "fix gravity"
22:50 < Wombert> another tab
22:51 < Wombert> with a pin
22:51 < Wombert> ;)
22:51 < Wombert> ooooh dude that's gonna be schweet
22:51 < Wombert> and it will degrade nicely, i.e. if you don't have javascript, it all still works (albeit with a page reload)
22:51 < Wombert> but your preferences are remembered in a cookie, of course
22:51 < impl> Well, I don't want to burst your bubble or anything, but when people start seeing all these options to change the page layout they're probably going to get distracted from the actual contents
22:52 < impl> The focus of the site should always be on showing the content
22:52 < Wombert> true
22:52 < Wombert> BUT(!)
22:52 < Wombert> having the menu bar fixed or at least toggleable serves a real purpose
22:52 < Wombert> because the navigation is always visible then
22:52 < impl> That's also true
22:52 < impl> I'm not sure about the 'fix gravity' option though
22:53 < impl> That's just a bit weird for me
22:53 < Wombert> the dark orange (light orange, i.e. menu, stays) and the grass would flip to the bottom
22:53 < Wombert> so the plant grows "correctly"
22:53 < impl> Yeah, but what's the point of that :P
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22:53 < Wombert> oh
22:53 < impl> I think it's cuter to just have the 'defeat gravity!' banner
22:53 < Wombert> splatch`: did you get what I wrote?
22:54 < splatch> sorry Wombert i've problems with my i-connection
22:54 < Wombert> splatch: no problem
22:54 < splatch> and i got messages to 21:48:02
22:54 < Wombert> http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/agavi-200610.log
22:54 < Wombert> impl: you are certainly right, we gotta choose carefully what to do and what not
22:55 < Wombert> I wouldn't have had this whole "defeats gravity" idea anyway if it wasn't for kazek's brilliant idea of having things upside down
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22:56 < pressureman> hey Wombert... long time no see
22:56 < Wombert> hey pressureman
22:56 < pressureman> work has been extremely chaotic lately... haven't had much time for php dev
22:56 < pressureman> i just did an svn up and it broke my app :(
22:57 < pressureman> revision 1055 onwards raises an agavi exception
22:57 * impl can't wait for stable API so he can hack in actionchains :<
22:58 < pressureman> Warning: DOMDocument::loadXML() [function.DOMDocument-loadXML]: Entity
22:58 < pressureman> 'copy' not defined in Entity, line: 18 in
22:58 < pressureman> /usr/share/php/agavi/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php on line
22:58 < pressureman> 117
22:58 < pressureman> that's what i get
22:58 < Wombert> okay
22:58 < Wombert> you have two options
22:58 < pressureman> i saw the 'warning: breakage in the commit"
22:58 < Wombert> if your stuff is utf8, insert a copyright character instead of an entity
22:59 < Wombert> if not, you can set the "parse_xhtml_as_xml" setting to "off" in the filter config
22:59 < Wombert> as a parameter to the filter
22:59 < pressureman> hmm
23:00 < pressureman> yes, i do use a © at the bottom of my pages
23:00 < Wombert> pressureman: but are they utf8?
23:00 < Wombert> or do you use iso-8859-1 or something
23:00 < pressureman> utf8 all the way maaaan ;-)
23:00 < impl> Can't you load XML entities for these?
23:01 < Wombert> pressureman: then insert the (c) symbol directly!
23:01 < pressureman> sweet!
23:01 < Wombert> instead of ©
23:01 < Wombert> there are also other options, such as having DOM validate your stuff on parse
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23:01 < Wombert> that would load theDTD and validate your document against it
23:01 < Wombert> but that's slow
23:02 < impl> Character entities: do we still need them? PR #671
23:02 < impl> State: Approved
23:02 < impl> Resolution: Accepted
23:02 < impl> User: None
23:02 < impl> Notes:
23:02 < impl> The WG believes that there's still a need for character entities. We need to find a solution. On 9 September 2003, the WG agrees to retain character entities; DTDs therefore still necessary; it might be possible to supply a DTD that only provides the entities.
23:03 < pressureman> hey, if the doc tells the browser to use utf8 char set, i don't see char entities being required in my stuff
23:03 < pressureman> much simpler IMHO
23:04 < pressureman> the world would be a better place (especially in cyrillic countries) if every website used utf8
23:04 < pressureman> down with KOI-8 ! ;-)
23:06 < Wombert> UTF8, gregorian calendar, UTC for everything
23:06 < Wombert> that would be awesome
23:06 < Wombert> and maybe even english
23:07 < pressureman> metric time... ;-)
23:07 < impl> Not English :\ maybe a language that makes sense
23:07 < pressureman> german makes reasonable sense to me
23:07 < pressureman> seems to follow the rules more strictly than english
23:07 < impl> English doesn't even have rules
23:07 < Wombert> oooh metric system yeah
23:08 < pressureman> not surprising, considering that english is a bastardisation of french, italian, german, and anything else it can get it's greedy mits on
23:08 < impl> And if they do, half of the words that are supposed to follow the rule become exceptions to it
23:11 < pressureman> ok, that got me up to svn 1067
23:11 < pressureman> i mean 1066.
23:11 < pressureman> in 1067, my forms don't populate
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23:14 < Wombert> pressureman: did you read the 1067 changeset message?
23:14 < Wombert> arrays are now used to populate forms by ID
23:14 < Wombert> array index being the ID of the form, value a parameter holder of elements
23:15 < Wombert> if you'd like to populate the "current" form as in the good olden times, use a parameter holder
23:15 < Wombert> they accept an array in the constructor, so just change
23:15 < Wombert> $req->setAttribute('populate', array(...), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
23:15 < Wombert> to
23:15 < Wombert> $req->setAttribute('populate', new AgaviParameterHolder(array(...)), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
23:15 < Wombert> let me know if you have any further trouble
23:16 < pressureman> lemme see
23:16 < pressureman> i'm pretty sure i'm already doing that
23:17 < pressureman> yes i am
23:19 < pressureman> are you referring to the form id?
23:20 < splatch`> och
23:20 < pressureman> ok, it's working on some forms..
23:21 < pressureman> not others.
23:21 < pressureman> seems to be fail on forms that use <textarea>
23:21 < Wombert> ewww
23:21 < Wombert> again?
23:21 < Wombert> oO
23:21 < pressureman> yeah, your favourite ;-)
23:21 < Wombert> gimme a couple of minutes
23:21 < pressureman> what, am i the only person in the world who uses textarea forms? :P
23:22 < Wombert> are you using application/xhtml+xml maybe?
23:22 < pressureman> yes
23:22 < Wombert> nah I tested that extensively I believe
23:22 * digitarald votes for spanish for i18n language ... best rules ever ;)
23:22 < Wombert> hmm do you really need that?
23:22 < Wombert> you have the choice
23:22 < pressureman> as opposed to what?
23:23 < Wombert> either use (c) instead of © and let it be parsed as XML
23:23 < Wombert> or you don't use application/xhtml+xml and use normal HTML parsing
23:23 < pressureman> huh?
23:23 < Wombert> there are some difficulties in doing proper XHTML files with the header in HTML
23:23 < pressureman> i've changed the © already
23:23 < Wombert> that just won't work
23:23 < pressureman> that fixed the quirk with svn1055
23:23 < Wombert> but do you also use parse_xhtml_as_xml = false now?
23:24 < pressureman> which file is that in?
23:24 < Wombert> if you haven't set it, nevermind
23:24 < Wombert> might be a bug
23:24 < Wombert> gimme a couple of minutes, we'll fix it then
23:24 < pressureman> haven't set it, still used older config
23:25 < pressureman> no rush... i'll leave it on 1066 for now so the office drones can use it
23:25 < pressureman> i'd like to keep using xhtml - it keeps the html design on the straight and narrow
23:25 < pressureman> prevents mismatched tags, unclosed tags etc
23:54 < Wombert> pressureman: so what's wrong with textareas now?
23:54 < Wombert> (I'm back)
23:56 < pressureman> they don't populate in svn1067 onwards
23:57 < Wombert> re-populate on submit?
23:57 < Wombert> or initial population in the code
23:57 < pressureman> it's kinda weird, because neither do any of the <input> types on that form
23:57 < pressureman> initial
23:57 < Wombert> uuuhm
23:57 < pressureman> let me check repopulate
23:57 < Wombert> so nothing populates?
23:57 < pressureman> on those forms, no. but on other forms that don't use textareas, it's fine
23:58 < Wombert> [22:15] Wombert: if you'd like to populate the "current" form as in the good olden times, use a parameter holder
23:58 < Wombert> [22:15] Wombert: they accept an array in the constructor, so just change
23:58 < Wombert> [22:15] Wombert: $req->setAttribute('populate', array(...), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
23:58 < Wombert> [22:15] Wombert: to
23:58 < Wombert> [22:15] Wombert: $req->setAttribute('populate', new AgaviParameterHolder(array(...)), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
23:58 < Wombert> are you doing it this way? even in these forms? you sure?
23:58 < pressureman> yes
23:58 < Wombert> so you're saying having a textarea breaks it?
23:58 < Wombert> can you create a simplified test case for me maybe?
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00:00 < pressureman> repopulation doesn't work either
00:01 < Wombert> oh
00:01 < Wombert> well
00:01 < Wombert> you have to create a simplified test case then
00:02 < pressureman> ok... i'll create one sometime today, tgz it and email it to you
00:02 < Wombert> thank you
00:02 < Wombert> a view that populates and a template should be enough
00:02 < pressureman> there's not really any rush - it's working ok on 1066
00:03 < Wombert> true, but the sooner we fix any remaining issues the better
00:03 < pressureman> i need to head off to a meeting now, i'll try to get it sent off to you in a few hours
00:04 < Wombert> okay
00:04 < Wombert> thanks
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07:22 < Wombert> morning
07:39 < ttj> Heya.
07:40 < Wombert> hi ttj
07:49 < ttj> What's up?
07:50 < Wombert> not much
07:50 < Wombert> I'm excited I woke up before the alarm at 6:20
07:51 < Wombert> already showered etc, next thing is a good coffee and some toast for breakfast and then I'll continue working on the web services features for agavi
07:54 < ttj> :-)
07:54 < Wombert> and now before breakfast I'm improving a wikipedia article :)
07:55 < Wombert> what's up with you?
07:55 < Wombert> did you see the agavi design and logo drafts?
07:56 < ttj> Sitting in a train, trying to type up use case descriptions, fighting with a GPRS connection. The usual.
07:57 < Wombert> heh
07:57 < ttj> Ah yes, looked at them quickly this morning.
07:57 < Wombert> is GRPS that cheap in finland?
07:57 < ttj> Work phone. :-)
07:57 < Wombert> okay xD
07:57 < Wombert> do you commute every day?
07:57 < ttj> I'll look at them as soon as I get to the office (~70 minutes).
07:57 < Wombert> how long is the train ride
07:58 < ttj> Well, right now I'm going from Salo to Helsinki, so it's around 90 minutes for the train ride.
07:58 < ttj> In Helsinki, I live about 15 minutes from the office.
07:58 < ttj> Ugh, tunnels are a real pain in regards to connectivity. :-/
08:01 < Wombert> haha
08:01 < Wombert> :>
08:02 < Wombert> so you live in helsinki during the week?
08:02 < Wombert> or did you just visit family or so over the weekend
08:02 < ttj> Yup, visited my folks and saw some friends.
08:02 < ttj> I live, work and study in Helsinki, so essentially my life is in Helsinki. :-)
08:04 < Wombert> :)
08:06 < ttj> Ugh, SoberIT's web server is down. :-/
08:06 < ttj> Can you get to www.soberit.hut.fi?
08:07 < ttj> Or is it just my GPRS?
08:10 < Wombert> seems down
08:11 < ttj> Well, this doesn't help one bit with my Software Development Methods project. :-(
08:17 < Wombert> mmmh I love the smell of napalm in the morning
08:17 < Wombert> err wait
08:18 < Wombert> I mean toast and coffee
08:18 < Wombert> not napalm
08:18 < ttj> An honest mistake.
08:18 < ttj> Ugh, the train is late.
08:19 < Wombert> just like in germany :)
08:20 < ttj> Woah, the Computer Networks exercise project plan DL is on Friday. I thought it would've been on Thursday. Looks like I can just do it on Friday afternoon, then. \o/
08:29 < Wombert> :>
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08:46 < v-dogg> huomenta
08:53 < Wombert> morning
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09:35 < CIA-11> david * r1097 /trunk/src/response/AgaviXmlrpcepiphpResponse.class.php: made XMLRPC responses compatible with the specification
10:02 < v-dogg> Wombert: tell me about this xml-rpc thingy you've made
10:03 < Wombert> v-dogg: one second
10:03 < Wombert> hmm
10:03 < Wombert> weird
10:03 < Wombert> this work
10:03 < Wombert> s
10:03 < Wombert> hmm
10:03 < Wombert> I'm still fighting with the encodings a bit
10:03 < Wombert> but in essence
10:03 < Wombert> you can now expose any action via XMLRPC
10:03 < Wombert> SOAP and REST are to follow
10:03 < Wombert> look at the sample app
10:03 < Wombert> the search engine spam thing has a new feature that displays the price of the item
10:04 < Wombert> this functionality is also available as a web service
10:04 < Wombert> the script is xmlrpc.php, the method name is "getItemPrice", it expects a "name" as the only argument
10:04 < Wombert> you have to pass in a struct as the only value on the top level
10:05 < Wombert> the struct contains name and value pairs
10:05 < Wombert> what you then get back is the price of the product :)
10:05 < Wombert> look at the code... web interface and XMLRPC web service both use SearchEngineSpamAction
10:05 < Wombert> they also use the same view
10:05 < Wombert> just different output types
10:06 < Wombert> in practice this means that you can drop a web service interface onto any existing application
10:06 < Wombert> without routing, the method name is Module:Sub.Action.Name
10:06 < Wombert> with routing, you use sth like "getItemPrice" for the remote procedure name and then map that to a module and an action using the routing
10:06 < Wombert> cool, eh? :)
10:07 < Wombert> check out factories.xml, output_types,xml, routing.xml
10:07 < Wombert> plus SearchEngineSpamAction and both Views
10:07 < v-dogg> will do
10:08 < Wombert> did you ever use XMLRPC?
10:08 < Wombert> if not, sorry if anythign in my description was too complicated
10:08 < Wombert> I'll be happy to explain it in detail
10:09 < v-dogg> I've tried it briefly but never done any real work with it
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10:12 < Wombert> darn 24h disconnect
10:13 < Wombert> v-dogg: http://phpfi.com/161710
10:14 < Wombert> that will echo an XMLRPC response with the price for viagra (run it from the console, or use view source in the browser to see the XML document)
10:14 < Wombert> errrr maybe remove charset=utf8 from the header there
10:14 < Wombert> but should work either way
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10:37 < Wombert> guys
10:37 < Wombert> I'm so amazed how in the end everything fits together
10:38 < Wombert> for instance, let's say you want the web service localized
10:38 < Wombert> you could either do it via the routing, using the URL
10:38 < Wombert> or pass it as an argument to the url
10:38 < Wombert> or pass a value in the XMLRPC call
10:38 < Wombert> mmmmh
10:38 < Wombert> tasty
10:38 < Wombert> (talking about passing in a locale here)
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11:59 < Wombert> w000t
11:59 < Wombert> works :)
12:06 < CIA-11> david * r1098 /trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:06 < CIA-11> upgraded XMLRPC functionality from 'experimental' to 'beta', now has full
12:06 < CIA-11> input/output encoding and output options support. incoming data will be stored
12:06 < CIA-11> as UTF-8 by default, use 'encoding' config parameter for the request to specify
12:06 < CIA-11> a different charset. response supports all options described in
12:06 < CIA-11> http://xmlrpc-epi.sourceforge.net/main.php?t=php_api#output_options - note that
12:06 < CIA-11> escaping will only be 'markup' and 'non-print', not 'non-ascii', which breaks
12:06 < Wombert> UTF-8. enjoy."
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19:29 < Wombert> hi iratik
19:30 < iratik> wow, i've been greeted
19:30 < Wombert> welcome to Agavi :)
19:30 < iratik> I've got a major project coming up with a trillion requirements , it needs to very maintainable, very quick, and i need to get started on the right foot
19:31 < iratik> I was going to start with my own proprietary &action=(insert function here) mvc framework, but I'm looking elsewhere
19:31 < iratik> ORiginally the project started tiny 2 years ago, and about 120 features and upgrades have been patched into it - creating the abomination in use today
19:32 < iratik> The most comprehensive enterprise resource management system ever created, but its an absolute mess of php/html tag soup, various methods of accessing the same db - sprinkled with singleton ajax instances to implment minute features in a huge framework
19:32 < iratik> I have to redo it and i'm considering using agavi - and i came here to gauge the level of community support for the project
19:34 < iratik> This documentation is looking scary though, I've seen alot of stuff in the video that I don't see any mention of here
19:36 < iratik> doesn't look like its far enough along, 11.97 hours between messages - it isn't being developed that fast
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19:39 < Wombert> it is!
19:39 < Wombert> the video is way outdated
19:39 < Wombert> 0.10.2 isn't supported anymore
19:39 < Wombert> trunk is developed incredibly fast
19:39 < Wombert> we're close to a 0.11 release together with new website, documentation etc
19:40 < Wombert> sorry for the confusion, I realize it's not really ideal
19:40 < Wombert> not much people on IRC right now but... hmm maybe digitarald can testify how good agavi is :)
19:41 < Wombert> it sounds you're looking for flexibility etc, I believe you've come to the right place
19:41 < Wombert> let's say you have an existing application
19:41 < Wombert> and now want an XMLRPC API for it
19:41 < Wombert> no problem with agavi... no need to write new code (except, of course, for the few lines that determine what goes into the response)
19:42 < Wombert> form re-population is totally independent of the template engine used (we don't lock you in!) - no stupid helper methods or anything
19:42 < Wombert> full i18n based on the unicode CLDR
19:42 < Wombert> except for i18n, it's pretty much finished
19:42 < iratik> so it has form-generator methods?
19:42 < Wombert> 0.11 is the last release before 1.0
19:42 < Wombert> no, no generation
19:42 < Wombert> that sucks
19:42 < Wombert> you write a simple html form
19:42 < iratik> How does it do linking up with the database?
19:42 < Wombert> but without the hassle
19:43 < Wombert> no <input type="text" name="foo" value="<?php echo ...?>" />
19:43 < iratik> just the default mysql methods?
19:43 < Wombert> <input type="text" name="foo" /> and the rest is magic
19:43 < Wombert> any database you want
19:43 < Wombert> we have adapters for native stuff, as well as creole, adodb, propel...
19:43 < Wombert> you can use whatever you like, though
19:43 < Wombert> we don't force you to use any specific solution
19:43 < iratik> any authentication patterns built in - or is it a strict mvc framework?
19:44 < Wombert> we have a security system
19:44 < Wombert> it also supports RBAC
19:44 < Wombert> authentication is entirely up to you
19:44 < iratik> are there any other sites with tutorials, documentation, articles on agavi?
19:44 < iratik> hopefully the 2 sites i found aren't it, but i didn't find any other links
19:44 < Wombert> http://blog.bitxtender.com/2006/08/01/agavi-project-activity/
19:45 < Wombert> there is not _much_ documentation
19:45 < Wombert> the trunk includes a sample app that showcases some of the stuff
19:45 < Wombert> the routing for example (the best there is, seriously!), some i18n, XMLRPC, authentication, form population
19:45 < Wombert> checkout trunk and play around with the sample app a bit
19:45 < iratik> How would you compare agavi to Symfony?
19:46 < Wombert> without the intention to bashing them
19:46 < Wombert> we get things right
19:46 < Wombert> it's a proper framework
19:46 < Wombert> symfony is very good for RAD but... it has absolutely poor design
19:46 < iratik> what do you mean 'poor design' ?
19:46 < Wombert> for instance, in symfony, if you want to make an operation (let's say ViewProductDetails) ajax capable, you have to create a new action for it
19:47 < Wombert> they don't have the level of abstraction you need for enterprise apps, either
19:47 < Wombert> in agavi, you write an action once
19:47 < iratik> But in agavi, you don't have to create a new action, but there isn't any documentation to do it either?
19:47 < Wombert> and then you can use it for XHTML output, PDF, JSON, XMLRPC, whatever you want
19:47 < iratik> oooh.. that sounds nice
19:47 < Wombert> it's simply a matter of "agavi action" on the command line ;)
19:47 < Wombert> and... symfony has kind of a poor IP attitude
19:48 < Wombert> they violate licenses etc and don't give a shit
19:48 < Wombert> but that's an entirely different story
19:48 < Wombert> let me show you an example
19:48 < Wombert> of what agavi can do
19:48 < iratik> I'm looking at - if the output JSON ability fails at 4:00 AM, will i be forced to go to forums and IRC because of insufficient documentation
19:49 < Wombert> that's true, but then, other frameworks simply don't have the concept of output types
19:49 < Wombert> in symfony, your business logic (actions) contains tons of presentational data
19:49 < Wombert> sucks
19:49 < iratik> yikes
19:49 < Wombert> there will be documentation
19:49 < Wombert> as I said... we're close to 0.11 beta 1
19:49 < Wombert> beta 1 doesn't mean unstable or incomplete
19:49 < iratik> Yeah, i'm almost completely unconcerned with presentation for this project
19:50 < iratik> what about upgrading?
19:50 < Wombert> but simply "open to suggestions for changes"
19:50 < Wombert> and
19:50 < Wombert> we won't change anything (unless absolutely necessary) between 0.11 and the next release, 1.0
19:50 < Wombert> all we add is more unit tests, more documentation, even more documentation, and maybe some extra features
19:50 < iratik> If i start development at 0.11 , and you release a better version , how difficult is it going to be to port everything over to 1.0?
19:50 < Wombert> I hope (and so far it looks like it'll be the case) nothing
19:51 < Wombert> the goal is to only add documentation and more tests (and, of course, fix bugs should there be any) between 0.11 and 1.0
19:52 < Wombert> I realize the lack of documentation is a big issue
19:52 < Wombert> we started on a manual
19:52 < Wombert> it's all in trunk
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19:52 < iratik> whats trunk?
19:52 < Wombert> errr
19:52 < Wombert> SVN?
19:52 < Wombert> subversion? repository? :)
19:53 < Wombert> meet AgaviBot
19:53 < iratik> documentation is in SVN too?
19:53 < Wombert> yes, for now
19:53 < Wombert> he has a "web" and an "irc" context
19:53 < Wombert> with differnet controller, request, response and routing implementations
19:53 < Wombert> !seen ttj
19:53 < AgaviBot> Wombert: ttj is online right now, last message on Tue Sep 26 23:36:49 2006 saying "I guess I could look at some flights tomorrow and possibly pay it out of my pocket and then try to get something back from the company. :P" (joined Tue Aug 15 00:11:25 2006)
19:53 < Wombert> !info
19:53 < AgaviBot> Wombert: I'm AgaviBot version 0.3, powered by Agavi :) My IRC Bot components and the Web Interface to the Logs share quite some code, thanks to Agavi's flexibility and clean structure!
19:53 < CIA-11> dominik * r1099 /trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
19:53 < CIA-11> BREAKING CHANGE!
19:53 < CIA-11> renamed the "method" attribute "constraint" and made "method" set the request method
19:53 < CIA-11> renamed the "stopping" attribute to "stop"
19:53 < Wombert> try that with symfony ;)
19:53 < digitarald> where is the web interface? ;)
19:54 < Wombert> private, here on my box
19:54 < Wombert> it's basically just a proof-of-concept
19:54 < iratik> I'm not looking at symfony as much right now, cuz partly of you, and some bad reviews i've seen out there
19:54 < Wombert> their problem is that they copied what they liked about other frameworks
19:54 < iratik> CakePHP is contending now - i have to make a decision soon to either go with an MVC , or go on my own
19:54 < Wombert> don't go on your own
19:54 < Wombert> it's sooo much work
19:54 < Wombert> you know
19:55 < Wombert> I wasn't satisfied with what options there were
19:55 < Wombert> so I joined the agavi project
19:55 < Wombert> and since I took over project lead
19:55 < Wombert> I and the guy I'm running my company with have been pushing things forward a lot
19:55 < Wombert> so we finally have a good release that really makes things possible where you had to resort to ugly hacks before
19:55 < Wombert> digitarald: tell him about how good the form population is ;) or the routing ;)
19:56 < Wombert> so he has a (slightly) non-biased opinion, too <:
19:56 < Wombert> back to topic... for instance, symfony copied the entire locale information folder from prado, but they left out the license.txt
19:56 < Wombert> I still haven't figured out why...
19:56 < Wombert> they just don't give a shit about licenses of stuff they bundle etc
19:56 < iratik> people seem to be talking alot about agavi, mojavi and cake
19:57 < Wombert> I'm also a lead developer of Propel, and it makes me angry that they threw propel into their distribution, but the root LICENSE file says "public domain, copyright fabien potencier"
19:57 < iratik> I hear propel is pretty quick
19:57 < Wombert> personally, I don't find cake too attractive in terms of structure and cleanliness, either
19:58 < Wombert> I made it a lot faster the other day, yeah ;)
19:58 < Wombert> the 1.3 branch now uses PDO (faster) and autoloading (faster)
19:58 < digitarald> is it stable?
19:58 < Wombert> 1.3? no
19:58 < Wombert> we still gotta sort some PDO glitches
19:58 < Wombert> for instance, all column values are returned as strings at the moment
19:58 < iratik> So compare propel and agavi?
19:58 < Wombert> errr
19:59 < iratik> yikes
19:59 < Wombert> propel is a database abstraction layer
19:59 < Wombert> agavi is an mvc framework
19:59 < iratik> active record?
19:59 < Wombert> shall I draw a venn diagram?
19:59 < Wombert> looks about like this
19:59 < digitarald> compare bread and butter ;)
19:59 < Wombert> O O
19:59 < Wombert> :>
19:59 < Wombert> not active record
19:59 < Wombert> active record sucks
19:59 < Wombert> because it determines stuff at runtime
19:59 < Wombert> makes things slow
19:59 < Wombert> also I can't see the point why I would have to build my database
19:59 < digitarald> ror does have a nice active record :)
19:59 < Wombert> and then rebuilt the entire structure as objects again
19:59 < Wombert> stuuuupid
20:00 < Wombert> yeah but it's stupid
20:00 < Wombert> it doesn't even use foreign keys
20:00 < Wombert> how pathetic is that
20:00 < Wombert> (native foreign key constraints)
20:00 < iratik> actually active record uses foreign keys quite well , it just doesn't figure out anything else but that in there
20:00 < iratik> but if I wanted to use ror, i would use ror
20:00 < Wombert> word
20:00 < Wombert> :)
20:00 < Wombert> where are you from btw?
20:00 < iratik> springfield, mo
20:01 < Wombert> :>>
20:01 < iratik> I'm highly familiar with php, which means if I needed to fix something FAST at 4:00 AM, I could probably do it in php
20:01 < Wombert> you want my honest opinion?
20:01 < iratik> with ror, i'm more likely to run into a wall where I have to go on IRC or forums
20:01 < Wombert> as a user, not as the developer of agavi?
20:01 < Wombert> pick an advanced framework
20:01 < Wombert> something that doesn't get in your way
20:02 < Wombert> PRADO is good, too, but has an entirely different approach to things
20:02 < Wombert> RoR is great for building stuff quickly
20:02 < Wombert> but if you want to leave the path they line out for ya
20:02 < Wombert> you're lost
20:02 < Wombert> and you have to resort to the ugliest hacks the world has seen, ever
20:02 < iratik> with agavi, i'm afraid i'll run into a wall with agavi because of the documentation which is not abundant at present, - regardless of how intuitive agavi is or how well it separates the logic of the layers, I need to be able to make the clients happy
20:03 < Wombert> I always get the impression that you get to 95% of the project in no time and spend the rest of the time you "saved" in the first place on hacking the remaining things into shape
20:03 < Wombert> the thing is this:
20:03 < Wombert> agavi is very logic, very clean, and I'd say you can learn it relatively soon
20:03 < Wombert> the API is fully documented, should you ever run into an issue
20:03 < Wombert> AND
20:03 < iratik> Where do i even go to learn it
20:03 < Wombert> (important point)
20:04 < Wombert> you can change _everything_
20:04 < Wombert> every single aspect
20:04 < Wombert> don't like how the request works? swap it for your custom implementation
20:04 < Wombert> etc
20:04 < Wombert> well the manuals folder has an intro manual
20:04 < Wombert> that describes the basic structure
20:04 < Wombert> after that, you'd look at the sample app
20:04 < Wombert> which gives you a pretty good idea
20:05 < Wombert> then, you can always ask me, or anyone else around (usually there are a bit more people here on IRC)
20:05 < Wombert> AND
20:05 < Wombert> I'll soon spend some time on writing docs
20:06 < iratik> i need details , not basic structure- first thing I need to do is hook up the database so that everything is talking in JSON
20:06 < Wombert> it depends on how much time you have
20:06 < Wombert> okay
20:06 < Wombert> then pick the database layer you like best and you're good to go
20:06 < Wombert> we don't tell you which to use
20:06 < iratik> then authentication
20:06 < iratik> then ACL
20:06 < Wombert> it's your choice
20:06 < iratik> then onto everything else
20:06 < Wombert> an authentication sample is in the sample app
20:06 < Wombert> how much time would you have to learn it?
20:07 < iratik> so this first thing - i'm looking at agavi.org/docs/api
20:07 < Wombert> nah
20:07 < Wombert> do a checkout of trunk
20:07 < Wombert> the latest stuff is in there
20:07 < iratik> why would documentation be in trunk?
20:07 < Wombert> the website is horribly outdated and I'm working with the server owner (a former agavi developer) to move stuff to a new server and site
20:08 < Wombert> because trunk is the latest stuff
20:08 < Wombert> and
20:08 < Wombert> it's constantly changing
20:08 < Wombert> so you build the api docs on your own ;)
20:08 < digitarald> every 11.38 hours ;)
20:08 < Wombert> simply a matter of "phing docs" on the command line
20:08 < Wombert> no, more often
20:08 < Wombert> at least recently
20:08 < digitarald> when will be the server switch?
20:08 < Wombert> I just wrote an email to bob
20:08 < Wombert> I hope he gets back to me soon
20:09 < iratik> good god- how do you use SVN
20:09 < Wombert> iratik: w00t!
20:09 < Wombert> you _have_ to learn that
20:09 < Wombert> it's essential for development
20:09 < Wombert> even if you're working on a project alone
20:09 < iratik> i've never had to
20:09 < Wombert> you do, really, trust me
20:09 < Wombert> version control is important
20:09 < iratik> i've always worked with stable releases, plenty of documentation - and have never done anything from SVN ,because if its in SVN, its there because its not ready yet
20:10 < Wombert> a) for going back in time b) for keeping track of things c) for release management and d) for collaboration
20:10 < Wombert> digitarald: come on already, tell him ;)
20:10 < Wombert> digitarald: we gotta do the server switch soon... I noticed notification emails stopped working
20:11 < Wombert> iratik: http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/roadmap
20:11 < Wombert> as you can see, no real show stoppers left for 0.11
20:11 < iratik> Wow, this site should be the main site
20:11 < Wombert> the only thing that's not in a really usable state is internationalization
20:12 < Wombert> do you plan to internationalize your project?
20:12 < iratik> straight answer, nope
20:12 < Wombert> ;)
20:12 < Wombert> too bad
20:12 < Wombert> you'd love it ;)
20:12 < iratik> regardless, Its discouraging to have to learn how to use SVN (which is for people developing the project, not those implementing the project)
20:13 < Wombert> hmm
20:13 < iratik> If the documentation looked remotely like ror documentation - i would have no hesitation to use it
20:13 < iratik> I like these uml diagrams though
20:13 < digitarald> 0.11 is stable ... the whole basic features work ... just caching is missing
20:13 < Wombert> no offense, really, but every software developer should know CVS or SVN
20:13 < v-dogg> what UML?
20:13 < iratik> http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/attachment/wiki/UML/basics.png
20:13 < Wombert> v-dogg: oh you're there too
20:14 < v-dogg> iratik: roger
20:14 < v-dogg> don't know whether those are out-dated too, though
20:14 < Wombert> iratik: I understand that
20:14 < iratik> ITs just odd that I don't see any docuemntation for "getInstance" or "getController" or what parent classes they hail from - or anything in the online docs
20:14 < Wombert> however, we're currently focusing on having a stable 0.11 release out
20:14 < Wombert> THEN we document it
20:14 < Wombert> then we tell everyone to use it
20:15 < iratik> i thought it was stable?
20:15 < Wombert> yes, but not yet released... as we're still adding features
20:15 < iratik> like caching?
20:15 < Wombert> the issue is that if we announce a big release or document something
20:15 < Wombert> and then people have to change their projects because we break BC
20:15 < Wombert> that doesn't help anyone
20:15 < v-dogg> what's there is pretty much stable
20:15 < Wombert> we must have a completely stable API first
20:15 < Wombert> exactly
20:15 < iratik> that is true
20:15 < Wombert> caching is non-functional because so many things changed since 0.10
20:16 < Wombert> and i18n isn't complete yet, either
20:16 < Wombert> we and others use trunk in production tho
20:16 < Wombert> eremit does, for instance, and so do digitarald and v-dogg if I'm not mistaken
20:17 < iratik> example sites?
20:17 < eremit> yeah ^^ ... trunk in production ... :) ... on wednesday the application goes live ^^
20:17 < Wombert> I'm not allowed to say, unfortunately
20:17 < Wombert> maybe someone else?
20:17 < Wombert> eremit: you?
20:18 < digitarald> can't show my degree work ;)
20:18 < Wombert> iratik: a lot of the functionalities were inspired by the needs of mixxer.com
20:18 < Wombert> they use agavi as a middleware
20:18 < v-dogg> yes, I use trunk (but I haven't updated last two weeks because of some bc issues)
20:18 < Wombert> that gave a lot of input regarding structure etc
20:18 < Wombert> i.e. how to separate things
20:19 < iratik> looks like alot of rewrite on that site
20:19 < iratik> its really fast though
20:19 < eremit> Wombert, sorry on wednesday ...
20:19 < Wombert> eremit: k
20:19 < eremit> you can thank the f.... german law ... :P ...
20:19 < Wombert> iratik: I'm sure eremit, digitarald and v-dogg can share their thoughts on the strenghts of agavi
20:20 < iratik> very fast in fact
20:20 < Wombert> and how stable it is etc
20:20 < Wombert> disclaimer: I believe they use an older version. but the new version isn't slow, either, I just can't say because I haven't compared performance
20:20 < Wombert> last time I checked we were on exactly the same level
20:20 < eremit> iratik, agavi is fast ... one of our design goals where 30 reqs / sec on a heavy sql site ... and we matched 37 with ease
20:20 < Wombert> but that was more than a month ago
20:20 < digitarald> i'm using agavi for generating content for different outputs. i have ajax requests that can fetch json or xml data ... even client-applications can fetch them. a real feature of agavi ... makes all accessible because of falbacks to xhtml output
20:21 < digitarald> ... and its fast (if you have debugging off ;) )
20:22 < iratik> hmm... I'll go learn svn and look at the documentation - thats the most important issue
20:22 < Wombert> iratik: are you using SVN?
20:22 < iratik> I've never needed to
20:22 < Wombert> by the way, you're also welcome to contribute documentation
20:22 < Wombert> iratik: sorry
20:22 < Wombert> I mean
20:22 < Wombert> are you using Windows
20:22 < Wombert> or something else
20:22 < digitarald> svn isnt something to learn ... just checkout and then sometimes an update ;)
20:23 < iratik> I'm chatting on a windows machine
20:23 < iratik> i'm next to a linux server and a linux box
20:23 < Wombert> then use http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/
20:23 < Wombert> makes SVN a piece of cake
20:23 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVN
20:23 < Wombert> basic concept: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control
20:24 < digitarald> tortoisesvn ... makes everything easy .. fluffy ;)
20:24 < iratik> i've used svn once
20:24 < iratik> for edge rails - and it seemed like apt
20:24 < Wombert> nah, entirely different idea etc
20:25 < Wombert> and, of course, a different purpose ;)
20:25 < Wombert> with SVN, you manage source code
20:25 < iratik> i just don't understand how documentation is there - svn is for code, programs, experimental unreleased things
20:25 < Wombert> no
20:25 < Wombert> SVN is the central thing
20:25 < v-dogg> SVN is for everything, not just for code
20:25 < Wombert> if we want to package a release, we grab the version from SVN and put it into a ZIP file or so
20:26 < Wombert> each time you do a change to your source code, you commit that change to the SVN server
20:26 < Wombert> only the changes are transferred
20:26 < Wombert> other people working with you can then "update", the changes are merged into their copies
20:26 < Wombert> that way, several people can even work on the same files
20:26 < Wombert> and you can always go back in time etc
20:26 < Wombert> have separate development branches you merge together later etc etc etc
20:26 < iratik> yikes
20:27 < digitarald> this is a freebie open svn server, very nice: http://opensvn.csie.org/
20:27 < Wombert> couldn't you just use svn itself? ;)
20:27 < Wombert> and maybe a local repository
20:27 < Wombert> but that's for when he creates his software project
20:27 < digitarald> just register your project, u can use your account in 1 minute, checkout first and start with developing ;)
20:27 < iratik> i'm downloading that tortoise thing - Just to see the documentation
20:27 < Wombert> for now, all he needs is do a checkout of trunk
20:27 < Wombert> iratik: for your information
20:27 < Wombert> we're working on a new website
20:28 < Wombert> it will also have nightly snapshots
20:28 < iratik> yeah you guys should do that
20:28 < iratik> everyone in #php recomended agavi/mojavi - so thats wy i'm looking into it so deeply
20:28 < Wombert> oh
20:28 < Wombert> how kind of them :)
20:28 < v-dogg> woot?
20:28 < Wombert> I didn't realize we had fans over there
20:29 < Wombert> would that mean our userbase is larger than we know? :>
20:29 < Wombert> by the way
20:29 < iratik> if they hadn't said anything - I wouldn't have even given it a second look after I saw that documentation
20:29 < Wombert> mojavi is dead
20:29 < iratik> well I run php5
20:29 < Wombert> iratik: yeah we know that
20:29 < Wombert> but without a final, stable release
20:29 < Wombert> we'd only scare people off
20:30 < digitarald> if you are forced to use php4 i appreciate mojavi2 :)
20:30 < Wombert> the goal is to have a release + some basic documentation + final new website by november 6 the latest
20:30 < Wombert> because that's when PHP Conference in Frankfurt is, and I'm going there, and I will do some publicity work to get people to use it ;)
20:31 < iratik> alright i don't know what i'm doing - but I've created a folder c:\dev\agavi , and i've right clicked it and clicked svn checkout
20:31 < iratik> URL of repository?
20:33 < Wombert> svn://svn.agavi.org/agavi/trunk
20:34 < iratik> HEAD revision?
20:34 < iratik> or "revision <enter something here>"?
20:35 < Wombert> head
20:35 < Wombert> means the latest revision
20:35 < iratik> doesn't that mean the buggiest?
20:36 < iratik> alright , i'll check this stuff out - everyone i've _talked_ to says go with agavi, all the hype i've read says prado, cakephp
20:36 < digitarald> cake suckz
20:36 < iratik> thanks for the guidance Wombert
20:37 < digitarald> it wanted to be the doSomeMagic() function we are all searching
20:37 < digitarald> the holy grail of doWhatINeed()
20:37 < iratik> thats not very good though
20:37 < iratik> Its difficult to maintain a single function for everything
20:37 < iratik> but anyway - i'll look at the docs - all i need is complete documentation - and i'll start development
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20:38 < digitarald> btw ... who's writing documentation? ;)
20:38 < Wombert> how about you? :)
20:38 < Wombert> and anyone else
20:39 < digitarald> i wanted to write about ... mmmhh ... something ... special ... don't know. may be ... my first agavi form ;)
20:39 < digitarald> if there is a wiki to post stuff like that i will put my 2cents into :)
20:39 < digitarald> it
20:40 < digitarald> can't start right now ... wanted to start some time ago ... but workworkwork. had to crawl into typo right now, what a heck
20:41 < Wombert> docbook!
20:41 < Wombert> no wiki nonsense please
20:41 < Wombert> put documentation where it belongs
20:41 < digitarald> ;)
20:41 < digitarald> then u must link an actual rendered docbook for download on the website ...
20:42 < digitarald> do it for me ;) ... i love chm, i have every documentation in chm :D ... until i will get me a mac
20:43 < digitarald> is cachingexecutionfilter still for 0.11 ... ? i really need it to finish my application
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20:45 < Wombert> digitarald: does it depend on caching that badly?
20:46 < Wombert> digitarald: no, no rendered docbook
20:46 < Wombert> not until it's at least a bit done
20:46 < Wombert> also, docbook is not only for viewing, but also for editing
20:46 < Wombert> so if you want to contribute, you have do download an editor anyway ;)
20:46 < Wombert> http://xmlmind.com/xmleditor
20:47 < Wombert> splatch`: are you there?
20:47 < digitarald> i have one, no need to spread your fav-links ;)
20:47 < Wombert> I'm always mentioning it because it's java so it runs everywhere ;)
20:47 < digitarald> i know :) ... eclipse, too
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20:49 < digitarald> will u put the source of agavibot on the new site?
20:49 < Wombert> yeah but
20:49 < Wombert> I need to clean it up a bit first etc
20:50 < Wombert> it's one of the things where I really need an untroubled weekend to sit down and get it done
20:50 < Wombert> there are other things that are a lot more important right now
20:50 < digitarald> weekend ... u are using your new word ... fine ;)
20:51 < Wombert> v-dogg: you there?
20:51 < Wombert> yeah I learn quick
20:51 < Wombert> :>
20:51 < v-dogg> hoblaa
20:51 < Wombert> what's up with http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/ticket/323
20:51 < Wombert> and do you know where horros is?
20:51 < Wombert> haven't seen him lately
20:51 < Wombert> I hope he's fine
20:53 < v-dogg> he has probably caught the same thing I have - crazy work load
20:54 < Wombert> aaah the usual suspects
21:18 < v-dogg> Wombert: you've used ez components, right?
21:19 < v-dogg> how am I supposed to use the autoload thingy?
21:35 < Wombert> v-dogg: not sure
21:36 < Wombert> I think you have to include the base class
21:36 < Wombert> and the rest then just works
21:36 < Wombert> because it lazyloads the other package's autoload definitions automatically
21:37 < Wombert> not 100% sure tho
21:37 < Wombert> isn't there documentation? :(
21:37 < v-dogg> not too much
21:37 < v-dogg> but I have it working now
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21:38 < v-dogg> require 'ezcomponents/Base/src/base.php'; require 'ezcomponents/Base/src/base_autoload.php'; require 'ezcomponents/Mail/src/mail_autoload.php'; spl_autoload_register(array('ezcBase', 'autoload'));
21:46 < Wombert> oO
21:47 < Wombert> I'm sure I read that there is a directory layout where it will autoload the autoload definitions
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23:02 < Wombert> ...
23:02 < Wombert> WTF
23:02 < Wombert> ARRRRGHHHH
23:02 < Wombert> http://www.symfony-project.com/trac/browser/trunk/lib/storage/sfCreoleSessionStorage.class.php#L30
23:02 < Wombert> line 30
23:02 < Wombert> * # <b>session_name</b> - [Agavi] - The name of the session.
23:02 < Wombert> what the FUCK are these ASSHOLES thinking
23:02 < Wombert> enough is enough
23:02 < Wombert> looks like it's time for a mad blog posting
23:03 < Wombert> and just for the record
23:03 < Wombert> that's why we'll have all contributors sign a CLA
23:03 < Wombert> this rovert dickhead again
23:04 < Wombert> grrr
23:04 < Wombert> he idled here, copied some code, and eventually disappeared to get the fame for it over at symfony or what?
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23:26 < benny`work> Wombert, ouch...that's really mad what they'r doing
23:38 < Wombert> no copyright
23:38 < Wombert> but that's not the problem
23:38 < Wombert> the problem is that they took LGPLed code
23:38 < benny`work> it's legal...but not ok
23:38 < Wombert> and put it into their MIT licensed thing
23:38 < Wombert> no it's not
23:38 < Wombert> it violates the license
23:39 < benny`work> ah...symfony is mit
23:39 < benny`work> didn't know that
23:39 < benny`work> btw: agavi webiste mockup is aweful ;)
23:40 < Wombert> really?
23:40 < Wombert> :(
23:40 < benny`work> hehe...i really love it ;)
23:52 < Wombert> good :>
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00:06 < Wombert> gaaaawsd
00:06 < Wombert> http://www.symfony-project.com/trac/browser/trunk/lib/storage/sfSessionStorage.class.php?rev=1682
00:06 < Wombert> ...
00:06 < Wombert> FFS
00:06 < Wombert> and who did it?
00:06 < Wombert> ROVERT
00:06 < Wombert> AAARRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH
00:22 < Wombert> and google bought youtube
00:24 < impl> Wombert: What's so bad about that commit?
00:25 < Wombert> impl: they copied code from us
00:25 < Wombert> without copyright notice
00:25 < Wombert> as they did before
00:25 < impl> Directly?
00:25 < Wombert> rovert always does that
00:25 < Wombert> yes, the cookie stuff
00:25 < Wombert> http://www.symfony-project.com/trac/browser/trunk/lib/storage/sfCreoleSessionStorage.class.php#L30
00:25 < Wombert> that's OUR file
00:25 < Wombert> v-dogg wrote it
00:25 < Wombert> they copied it from US
00:25 < impl> haha
00:25 < Wombert> and then
00:25 < impl> Those bastards
00:25 < Wombert> they put it under their MIT license!
00:25 < Wombert> it's LGPLed code
00:25 < Wombert> they don't have a license to do that
00:25 < impl> /join #symfony
00:26 < Wombert> these FUCKING MORONS
00:26 < impl> Let's troll them
00:26 < Wombert> no
00:26 < Wombert> their users are blithering idiots
00:26 < Wombert> they won't understand a word
00:26 < impl> We'll start slow
00:27 < Wombert> k
00:27 < Wombert> :>
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00:27 < iratik_ppp> And, umm - nothing works
00:28 < iratik_ppp> its all flat xml files - it doesn't seem to have a single entry point
00:28 < impl> Er?
00:28 < iratik_ppp> I just gave up after that , looked at prado - which looked quite promising (lots of documentation)
00:28 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: it's a docbook
00:28 < iratik_ppp> its a what?
00:28 < impl> Oh
00:29 < iratik_ppp> where is index.html ?
00:29 < impl> Docbook, it's an XML specification for writing documentation
00:29 < Wombert> when we have a release, there will be html versions of it
00:29 < iratik_ppp> or index.xml ?
00:29 < iratik_ppp> ahhh.. . how do i render it into html?
00:29 < Wombert> www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor is a good editor/viewer
00:29 < Wombert> it can also export it
00:29 * impl needs to go through the docbook stuff and fix grammar
00:29 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: do you care about intellectual property?
00:29 < Wombert> impl: I'd be very grateful if you could do that
00:30 < iratik_ppp> I care about it when it involvesmoney
00:30 < impl> haha
00:30 < Wombert> FYI
00:30 * impl slaps iratik_ppp around a bit with a large UNIX manual
00:30 < Wombert> symfony copies other people's code
00:30 < Wombert> violaties licenses
00:30 < Wombert> which means they use illegal copies
00:30 < iratik_ppp> I don't like the idea of someone else making money of off someone elses hard work
00:30 < Wombert> for instance, also of our code
00:31 < iratik_ppp> Yeah, but I asked a question in there that didn't get a response - so i gave up on symfony - i don't care how well its documented
00:31 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: I said earlier that I recommend you use a "high-end framework"
00:31 < iratik_ppp> I would rather start off on a bare bones MVC framework like agavi than try to wizard my way through anything
00:31 < Wombert> most symfony users are php beginners
00:31 < Wombert> and they cater for that
00:31 < iratik_ppp> as well as cakephp too?
00:31 < impl> CakePHP is just disgusting
00:32 < impl> They have no standards of naming conventions or anything
00:32 < Wombert> they're very nice guys tho
00:32 < Wombert> had a chat with the lead dev the other day
00:32 < iratik_ppp> meh.. I'm not a fan of that user interface crap anyway - I like to code interfaces and abstraction in php - and pass off 100% of the UI to javascript with php fallbacks
00:32 < iratik_ppp> thats why I almost crapped my pants when you said agavi had native JSON support - that was really impressive
00:33 < iratik_ppp> I've always had to code in a DB>JSON abstraction mechanism
00:33 < benny`work> brb
00:34 < Wombert> native... of course you have to encode the json yourself in some way
00:34 < Wombert> PHP has an extension, for instance
00:35 < iratik_ppp> I know, thats fine - but the decision to output as JSON , or XML or XHTML or some other format - that switching presentation mechanism would be nice
00:35 < Wombert> let me give you an example
00:35 < iratik_ppp> that would be jolly
00:35 < Wombert> you have a ViewProductAction
00:35 < Wombert> in there, you grab the information from the database
00:35 < Wombert> that's your business logic
00:35 < Wombert> you then store that information and pass control to the view by returning it's name
00:35 < Wombert> return 'Success';
00:35 < Wombert> that will run ViewProductSuccessView
00:36 < Wombert> this view has a generic execute() method where you can set the template etc
00:36 < Wombert> maybe set a cookie or so (remember... setting cookies is presentation, as it depends on what you're outputting)
00:36 < Wombert> or it contains methods specific to the output type, they are preferred over the generic method
00:36 < Wombert> so you'd have an executeHtml() and an executeJson()
00:36 < impl> Views are dependent upon contexts right?
00:36 < Wombert> impl: mmmh... no, not really
00:36 < impl> Each context can have a different view
00:37 < Wombert> what do you mean?
00:37 < Wombert> nah, one view for everything, but one execute*() method per output type (if you want)
00:37 < iratik_ppp> executeXHTML6 - or executeHTML4NOJS
00:37 < impl> Oh, mmk
00:37 < Wombert> that would work
00:37 < iratik_ppp> that makes me drool a little
00:37 < Wombert> haha
00:37 < Wombert> you want to hear the most charming part about it?
00:37 < impl> So contexts are really just for different controllers and such?
00:37 < Wombert> impl: for the implementations, yes
00:38 < Wombert> our routing doesn't only allow you to match URLs (mind you, routes can be nested etc)
00:38 < Wombert> you can also match stuff from other sources
00:38 < Wombert> and you can set the locale, output type and some other stuff from within the routing
00:38 < Wombert> <route pattern="text/javascript" source="_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT]" output_type="json" stop="false" />
00:38 < iratik_ppp> so if the user-agent is Internet Explorer 3.0 then I can direct it to executeHTML4NOJS
00:38 < Wombert> at the top of your routing.xml
00:38 < Wombert> et voila
00:38 < Wombert> yes, exactly
00:39 < Wombert> in this case, the output type is set to json if the request had text/javascirpt in the Accept: header
00:39 < Wombert> I believe Prototype sends that header
00:39 < iratik_ppp> What is Prototype? (Please don't say the javascript library)
00:40 < Wombert> yeah the javascript library ;)
00:40 < Wombert> it was just an example
00:40 < Wombert> you can use whatever you like
00:40 < iratik_ppp> Yeah -- I'm a hardcore jquery fan now
00:40 < Wombert> you could also just prefix urls or so
00:40 < Wombert> I'm sure JQuery sends an X-Requested-With header or something you can easily detect
00:40 < Wombert> isn't that sweet?
00:40 < iratik_ppp> yeah , sounds pretty awesome
00:40 < iratik_ppp> ahh. that xml thing just download
00:41 < Wombert> the documentation is very... uhm... incomplete
00:41 < Wombert> three files
00:41 < Wombert> each has a little bit in it
00:41 < Wombert> let me know if you have any suggestions regarding the structure etc etc
00:41 < Wombert> (of the documentation)
00:41 < Wombert> I'm one of these crazy germans, you know, my english probably sucks a lot ;)
00:42 < iratik_ppp> yeah thats what scares me - i haven't seen any code or any examples of how development with agavi works - there is literally nothing to go by other than the 'sparse' community
00:42 < impl> Wombert: I assume you'd prefer British/European English in the documentation (as opposed to American)
00:43 < Wombert> the sample app will give you a basic idea, iratik_ppp
00:43 < iratik_ppp> with every other framework - i've seen webcasts, 100's of people on the chats, but i've seen a lot of crap
00:43 < iratik_ppp> prado was quite fast though
00:43 < iratik_ppp> and well documented
00:43 < Wombert> also, we should probably get you rolling with that helper script of ours
00:43 < Wombert> saves a lot of pain
00:43 < Wombert> do you have pear installed?
00:43 < Wombert> and set up?
00:43 < iratik_ppp> Do I?
00:43 < iratik_ppp> yeah I have pear installed and set up
00:44 < Wombert> sweet
00:44 < Wombert> could you please install the latest Phing version as described on http://phing.info
00:44 < iratik_ppp> i just did
00:44 < Wombert> by the way... we'll also have a huge website and all
00:44 < iratik_ppp> before I tried symfony I had to
00:44 < Wombert> but we first need a stable, properly amazing release to back the bold claims we'll have on our website
00:44 < Wombert> okay
00:44 < Wombert> in etc/ you'll find an agavi.bat-dist
00:45 < Wombert> create a new folder somewhere below your docroot
00:45 < Wombert> and copy that file there, rename it to agavi.bat and
00:45 < iratik_ppp> however, i haven't yet downloaded agavi - i just downloaded it to the windows pc to look at the documentation
00:45 < Wombert> didn't you do a checkout via svn?
00:45 < Wombert> ah okay
00:45 < iratik_ppp> yeah on the windows box
00:45 < iratik_ppp> not on the server
00:45 < Wombert> so you're on linux now?
00:45 < iratik_ppp> yeah , should be easy - let me see if I already have svn
00:46 < Wombert> impl: to be very honest, I don't have any particular preference but...
00:46 < impl> Alright, I'll try to make it as European as I can then
00:46 < Wombert> well in fact I used to like AE better... until I visited London
00:46 < Wombert> mmmh it really doesn't matter much, dude... do it the way it looks and sounds right
00:47 < impl> Okay :P
00:47 < iratik_ppp> Wow maybe svn is going to be harder than I thought to install
00:47 < iratik_ppp> apt-get install svn doesn't work
00:48 < Wombert> subversion?
00:48 < iratik_ppp> nor does apt-cache search svn return anything
00:48 < Wombert> try apt-get install subversion
00:48 < iratik_ppp> that works
00:49 < iratik_ppp> although it didn't come up in the search
00:49 < impl> Wombert: Do you know offhand the docbook tag for inline code?
00:49 < iratik_ppp> done
00:49 < Wombert> impl: should be <code>
00:49 < iratik_ppp> now what
00:49 < Wombert> are you using that editor?
00:49 < impl> Wombert: Yeah
00:49 < Wombert> select the text you want, mark it and click the rightmost button
00:50 < Wombert> that convert (wrap) thing
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00:50 < impl> Mhh
00:50 < iratik_ppp> Do i need to have an abstraction layer of any type?
00:51 < impl> ah hah
00:51 < impl> Found it, thanks
00:51 < iratik_ppp> wait whats this in the docs about pear support - why do I have to use SVN if I can use pear?
00:51 < Wombert> because there is no release of 0.11
00:52 < Wombert> you could build a pear package from SVN and install that
00:52 < Wombert> but it will probably break
00:52 < impl> Wombert: er :x how do I remove a tag?
00:52 < Wombert> since we're only ever looking at that before a release
00:52 < Wombert> impl: use control-arrowup
00:52 < iratik_ppp> ahhh
00:52 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: so you have a checkout, too?
00:52 < impl> Wombert: Thanks
00:52 < iratik_ppp> How do I checkout with svn?
00:53 < iratik_ppp> (i can't believe i'm going through these hoops, but i'm quite curious)
00:53 < Wombert> :)
00:53 < Wombert> create a folder
00:53 < iratik_ppp> done
00:53 < Wombert> agavi-trunk
00:53 < Wombert> don't change to it
00:53 < Wombert> svn co svn://svn.agavi.org/agavi/trunk <foldername>
00:54 < Wombert> do regular "svn up"s
00:54 < Wombert> each day or so
00:54 < Wombert> so the latest changes are synced to your copy
00:54 < Wombert> impl: does that work?
00:54 < iratik_ppp> co=check out?
00:54 < Wombert> exactly
00:54 < Wombert> co or "checkout" can be used
00:54 < impl> Wombert: kinda
00:54 < Wombert> "up" or "update"
00:54 < iratik_ppp> oh good god thats alot
00:54 < Wombert> does that select the parent tag, impl ?
00:54 < impl> Yeah
00:55 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: yeah it's gonna take a short while
00:55 < Wombert> impl: now you can right-click and say force deletion
00:55 < Wombert> this editor really is a pain
00:55 < impl> Wombert: Ooh, alrigh
00:55 < impl> t
00:55 < iratik_ppp> Checked out revision 1099
00:56 < Wombert> good
00:56 < iratik_ppp> it put everything into trunk instead of agavi-trunk
00:56 < Wombert> whatever you prefer :)
00:56 < Wombert> is it in your docroot?
00:56 < Wombert> or somewhere below?
00:56 < Wombert> so it's accessible from the webserver?
00:57 < Wombert> doesn't have to be, just asking
00:57 < iratik_ppp> no i didn't from home directory, what i'll do is make a symlink under my docroot to /trunk
00:57 < Wombert> not necessary
00:57 < Wombert> don't do that ;)
00:57 < Wombert> leave it this way
00:57 < Wombert> better idea anyway
00:57 < iratik_ppp> alright
00:57 < Wombert> create a symlink in your docroot
00:57 < iratik_ppp> just move the samples to a public directory?
00:58 < Wombert> to samples/pub/
00:58 < iratik_ppp> thats what i thought, thats what i meant
00:58 < impl> er
00:58 * impl looks at Wombert
00:58 < Wombert> doesn't have to be the docroot that is symlinked
00:58 < impl> <IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
00:58 < impl> # enable rewrite engine
00:58 < impl> RewriteEngine Off
00:58 < Wombert> impl: yeah that's probably not gonna work I guess
00:58 < iratik_ppp> i get the wording switched
00:58 < impl> I think it's a bit misleading :P
00:58 < Wombert> quite
00:59 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: now all you have to do is edit pub/index.php and change the path there
00:59 < Wombert> to /where/ever/is/agavi/trunk/src/agavi.php
00:59 < Wombert> and, of course, chmod a+rwx samples/app/cache
01:00 < Wombert> now call the directory (or index.php) and you should see something
01:00 < iratik_ppp> wow http://www.loadmax.com/dev/agavi/
01:00 < iratik_ppp> i'm already farther than I got with symfony
01:00 < Wombert> great!
01:00 < Wombert> it's german
01:00 < Wombert> the i18n is just very experimental in the sample app
01:01 < iratik_ppp> too bad its not in french
01:01 < Wombert> click "einloggen"
01:01 < Wombert> and try to log in
01:01 < Wombert> I'll fix that later, as soon as I found a gettext editor that doesn't suck
01:01 < iratik_ppp> with what user/password?
01:01 < Wombert> enter something
01:01 < Wombert> and see what happens ;)
01:01 < Wombert> check the checkbox, too
01:01 < Wombert> do you see how the form gets re-populated? and how erroneous fields are highlighted?
01:02 < iratik_ppp> i like that , agavi is definitely not the first framework to do that for you though
01:02 < Wombert> oooh
01:02 < Wombert> wait until you say that
01:02 < impl> Wombert: Does agavi project create a sample .htaccess file?
01:02 < Wombert> look at samples/app/modules/Default/templates/IndexInput.php
01:02 < impl> `agavi project` I mean
01:02 < Wombert> and tell me what you find odd there
01:02 < Wombert> impl: I think so, yeah, let me have a look
01:02 < Wombert> impl: I believe it creates a dist.htaccess
01:03 < impl> Okay
01:03 < impl> The sample has a file contained _.htaccess
01:03 < Wombert> let me check the build.xml
01:03 < iratik_ppp> there is no index input ,there is LoginInput.php
01:03 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: sorry, that's what I mean
01:03 < Wombert> (it's the template for the "Input" view of "LoginAction", FYI)
01:03 < iratik_ppp> That is an interesting way to do a tableless form
01:04 < Wombert> yeah but the best thing is...
01:04 < iratik_ppp> I tend to use a much more verbose method - but thats fine
01:04 < Wombert> note how we DON't use form helpers
01:04 < Wombert> and
01:04 < Wombert> we don't have any code that fills the values in again
01:04 < Wombert> this population works different
01:04 < Wombert> which means it works with any template language
01:04 < Wombert> plain .php
01:04 < Wombert> smarty
01:04 < Wombert> XSL
01:04 < Wombert> whatever you like, always the identical feature set
01:04 < impl> <available file="${templates.dir}dist.htaccess.tmpl" property="templates.dir.current" value="${templates.dir}" />
01:04 < Wombert> a central agavi philosophy ;)
01:04 < iratik_ppp> yeah - that leaves me free to do my ajax/jquery magic without interfering with a proprietary mechanism
01:04 < Wombert> impl: yep ;)
01:04 < impl> Guess it's dist.htaccess
01:05 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: precisely
01:05 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: "Chuck Norris" and "kick" are the proper credentials btw
01:06 < iratik_ppp> umm : what does 'suchmaschinenspam' mean - and why is there a viagra add under it
01:06 < Wombert> note the clean URLs
01:06 < Wombert> it's called Search Engine Spam
01:06 < Wombert> it demonstrates a feature of the routing
01:06 < Wombert> buy-cheap-chainsaws-at-agavi-dot-org
01:06 < Wombert> buy-cheap-viagra-at-agavi-dot-org
01:06 < Wombert> etc
01:06 < iratik_ppp> ahhh - money maker
01:06 < iratik_ppp> right. ...
01:06 < Wombert> this action is also exposed as an XMLRPC method
01:06 < Wombert> called getItemPrice
01:06 < Wombert> no duplicate code there ;)
01:07 < iratik_ppp> so , all those savi older horny males can finally get their viagra the SOA way
01:07 < Wombert> :>>>>
01:07 < Wombert> let's create your first project, shall we?
01:08 < iratik_ppp> yeah - i'll try this out real quick - but first
01:08 < iratik_ppp> what about conneecting to the DB, do I need any type of abstraction?
01:08 < Wombert> it's entirely up to you
01:08 < iratik_ppp> or can I do it as i like, just straight in
01:08 < Wombert> we ship adapters for native mysql
01:08 < Wombert> you should use that
01:08 < iratik_ppp> how
01:08 < Wombert> let me explain ;)
01:08 < Wombert> you can use databases.xml to configure database connections
01:08 < Wombert> you specify the "driver" there
01:09 < Wombert> as well as the credentials
01:09 < Wombert> any configuration can be specific to a context
01:09 < Wombert> and to an environment
01:09 < Wombert> so you'd set up two environments
01:09 < Wombert> "development"
01:09 < Wombert> and "production"
01:09 < iratik_ppp> ohkay, now is this like ror where you type agavi projectname , and then go into projectname/config/databases.xml
01:09 < Wombert> with different credentials
01:09 < Wombert> so you don't have to change stuff all the time
01:09 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: yeah, should we do that quickly?
01:09 < iratik_ppp> yeah so let's do a basic application, a guestbook or phonebook perhaps
01:09 < Wombert> okay
01:10 < iratik_ppp> a simple app to manage a list of strings , and the times entered - a guestbook
01:10 < Wombert> create a new folder somewhere inside your docroot and change to it
01:10 < iratik_ppp> that would be simplest
01:10 < Wombert> copy file /path/to/trunk/etc/agavi-dist to that folder and rename it to "agavi"
01:10 < Wombert> make sure it has the "x" flag
01:11 < Wombert> if you enter "phing", you should see "buidl.xml does not exist", right?
01:11 < Wombert> (in that directory=
01:11 < iratik_ppp> build.xml does not exist!
01:11 < Wombert> perfect
01:11 < Wombert> edit ./agavi
01:11 < Wombert> so export AGAVI_INSTALLATION =
01:12 < Wombert> points to /path/to/trunk/src
01:12 < iratik_ppp> done
01:12 < Wombert> (you don't have to do that with a pear install once it's released, by the way)
01:12 < Wombert> cool
01:12 < Wombert> now "./agavi project"
01:12 < Wombert> just hit return at each prompt
01:12 < Wombert> do NOT chmod the cache dir this time
01:12 < iratik_ppp> literally or the project name like "./agavi guestbook"
01:12 < iratik_ppp> or "./agavi project"
01:13 < Wombert> the latter
01:13 < iratik_ppp> the first one
01:13 < iratik_ppp> "Target 'guestbook' does not exist in this project" - so by 'latter' you must have mean't the second one
01:13 < Wombert> yeah
01:14 < Wombert> isn't that what you say? the former... or the latter
01:14 < iratik_ppp> err. we specify which one here
01:14 < iratik_ppp> but thats a local variation
01:14 < iratik_ppp> Modules for my project?
01:14 < Wombert> return
01:14 < Wombert> always
01:15 < Wombert> square brackets indicate default values, these are safe for now
01:15 < iratik_ppp> even LoginModule?
01:15 < Wombert> yes, everything
01:15 < Wombert> we'll create additional stuff later
01:15 < iratik_ppp> 2 minutes 35.29 seconds
01:15 < Wombert> "project" task gets you started with defaults
01:15 < Wombert> good
01:15 < Wombert> now
01:15 < Wombert> you're using firefox 1.5?
01:15 < iratik_ppp> i use three browsers - u want me to use firefox?
01:16 < Wombert> most eye candy there, yes
01:16 < Wombert> 1.5 tho, not 1.0
01:16 < Wombert> doesn't matter much if you don't have 1.5
01:16 < Wombert> but if you do... ;)
01:16 < Wombert> now fire up blah/pub/ in your browser
01:16 < Wombert> you should see an error
01:16 < Wombert> do you?
01:17 < iratik_ppp> it wants me to chmod the cache- thats a pretty error
01:17 < Wombert> check out the stack trace
01:17 < Wombert> you can reveal the code snippets for each item
01:17 < iratik_ppp> nice error tracing
01:17 < Wombert> anyway, chmod it now
01:17 < Wombert> then edit modules/Default/templates/IndexSuccess.php so it contains something
01:17 < Wombert> <p>hello world</p> is enough for now
01:18 < Wombert> and call the page again
01:18 < Wombert> app/modules/Default/templates/IndexSuccess.php
01:18 < iratik_ppp> I see that
01:18 < Wombert> schweet
01:19 < Wombert> so... now you're up and running! :)
01:19 < Wombert> what database do you want to use
01:19 < Wombert> and what way to access it
01:19 < Wombert> we could use propel if you like
01:19 < Wombert> but that takes five minutes or so
01:19 < iratik_ppp> mysql - database "guestbook" table "entries" fields "id", "name", "text", "time"
01:19 < Wombert> however, it's a lot of fun then
01:19 < Wombert> okay
01:19 < iratik_ppp> propel only takes 5 minutes?
01:19 < Wombert> for a guestbook, even less, I'd reckon
01:20 < iratik_ppp> I heard config for propel was a pain
01:20 < Wombert> it isn't
01:20 < Wombert> dead simple
01:20 < Wombert> just some easy xml
01:20 < iratik_ppp> alright let me at least make the tables
01:20 < Wombert> we need only one table here, so it'll be a piece of cake
01:20 < Wombert> no!
01:20 < Wombert> don't :)
01:20 < Wombert> propel will do it for you
01:20 < iratik_ppp> XML is sado masochistic to edit with vim
01:20 < Wombert> I'll write it for you
01:20 < Wombert> let me quickly create a project similar to yours
01:21 < iratik_ppp> alright walk me through propel - you writing it doesn't make it any less painful
01:21 < Wombert> install it
01:21 < Wombert> http://propel.phpdb.org/
01:21 < Wombert> via pear
01:21 < Wombert> with dependencies, i.e. so you also get creole
01:21 < iratik_ppp> what is creole?
01:21 < Wombert> a database abstraction layer
01:21 < Wombert> used by propel
01:21 < Wombert> at the time propel was started, there was no good alternative
01:22 < Wombert> next propel version will use PDO
01:22 < iratik_ppp> I thought propel was the database abstraction layer
01:22 < iratik_ppp> any way
01:22 < Wombert> propel is a data access object system
01:22 < Wombert> you'll find out what that is soon :)
01:22 < Wombert> and you'll like it
01:22 < iratik_ppp> arghh - just tell me where the quickstart propel install is
01:22 < iratik_ppp> I am starting to hate theses /trac sites
01:22 < Wombert> pear channel-discover pear.phpdb.org
01:23 < Wombert> pear install --alldeps phpdb/propel
01:23 < Wombert> or
01:23 < Wombert> actually
01:23 < Wombert> it should work withput --alldeps
01:23 < Wombert> without
01:23 < iratik_ppp> Package "phpdb/propel" is not valid
01:24 < Wombert> ah
01:24 < Wombert> sorry
01:24 < Wombert> my bad ;)
01:24 < iratik_ppp> not everything always works 100% of the time, its okay
01:24 < Wombert> install propel_generator
01:24 < Wombert> install propel_runtime
01:24 < Wombert> it's two parts, essentially
01:24 < iratik_ppp> so sudo pear install propel_generator
01:24 < Wombert> sudo pear install phpdb/propel_generator
01:24 < Wombert> sudo pear install phpdb/propel_runtime
01:24 < Wombert> should also install creole
01:25 < Wombert> if not...
01:25 < iratik_ppp> ahh it found it
01:25 < Wombert> sudo pear install phpdb/creole first
01:25 < iratik_ppp> f%^# , i got this error with symfony over and over again
01:25 < Wombert> which
01:25 < iratik_ppp> Allowed memory exhausted error - i already increased my limits to 128M for some reason pear uses up gobs and gobs of memory
01:26 < Wombert> are you sure your command line php uses the same php.ini?
01:26 < iratik_ppp> i don't know but a 3rd php ini file popped up between then and now
01:26 < iratik_ppp> hold on.. , restarting server
01:26 < iratik_ppp> its at 128m too now
01:27 < Wombert> restarting shouldn't be necessary; command line php binary isn't running all the time
01:27 < Wombert> does it work now? :(
01:27 < iratik_ppp> good god - i don't know why it didn't ask me to reinstall phing before
01:27 < Wombert> it does now?
01:27 < Wombert> maybe your pear install is messed up now
01:28 < iratik_ppp> yeah - whats the one liner for installing phing?
01:28 < Wombert> I believe it was go-pear
01:28 < iratik_ppp> huh?
01:28 < Wombert> try pear config-show
01:28 < Wombert> and see if anything is wrong
01:28 < Wombert> ah
01:28 < Wombert> phing
01:28 < iratik_ppp> nothing wrong
01:28 < iratik_ppp> pear install phing doesn't work
01:28 < Wombert> pear install phing/phing
01:28 < Wombert> if not... pear channel-discover pear.phing.info first
01:29 < Wombert> you could also do
01:29 < Wombert> pear install --alldeps on the propel thing
01:29 < Wombert> so it downloads required stuff right away
01:30 < iratik_ppp> its going , it had some errors - but it seems it got around them
01:30 < Wombert> so do you now have creole, both propels and phing installed?
01:30 < iratik_ppp> its downloading PhpDocumentor
01:31 < Wombert> ewww
01:31 < Wombert> well on the bright side of things you can use that to generate API docs for agavi ;)
01:31 < iratik_ppp> yeah i guess
01:31 < iratik_ppp> alot of stuff its downloading now
01:31 < iratik_ppp> XML, console table, ....
01:31 < Wombert> uuuah
01:32 < Wombert> okay, let's wait ;)
01:32 < iratik_ppp> install ok: channel://pear.phpdb.org/propel_generator-1.2.0
01:32 < iratik_ppp> now propel_what?
01:32 < iratik_ppp> runtime
01:32 < iratik_ppp> right?
01:32 < Wombert> yep
01:33 < iratik_ppp> install ok
01:33 < iratik_ppp> now what
01:33 < iratik_ppp> propel will generate my tables for me?
01:33 < Wombert> now the party begins
01:33 < Wombert> yes
01:33 < Wombert> give me a minute
01:33 < iratik_ppp> yawn.. okay
01:33 < Wombert> you yawnin? ;)
01:33 < Wombert> it's past midnight here already ;)
01:33 < Wombert> go make yourself a coffee
01:34 < Wombert> meanwhile, create a folder "dev" in your project root
01:34 < Wombert> touch a schema.xml there
01:34 * impl needs to do his homework ;x
01:35 < Wombert> whenever I think of school in america
01:35 < iratik_ppp> imma compile all this into a webcast - for your sake , and that of anyone who ever considers agavi
01:35 < Wombert> I hear that teacher from the peanuts
01:35 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: that would be most excellent and appreciated
01:35 < impl> Mmm, I can't say I'm familiar with that
01:36 < Wombert> you don't know the peanuts?
01:36 < Wombert> wtf
01:36 < Wombert> oO
01:36 < Wombert> even I know them
01:36 < iratik_ppp> yeah 'charlie brown' , made by charles schultz
01:36 < iratik_ppp> he died a while back
01:36 < Wombert> yeah :(
01:36 < impl> I know of it
01:36 < impl> I don't know the teacher or anything though
01:37 < Wombert> any adults
01:37 < Wombert> speak a very weird language
01:37 < Wombert> you don't understand them
01:37 < iratik_ppp> wa wawawa wa wawawa
01:37 < Wombert> it''s basically just BBLLLLLAAAAH BLAAAAH
01:37 < Wombert> hilarious
01:38 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: so what fields do we need?
01:38 < iratik_ppp> i guess for now just 'name' varchar(20), 'message' text, 'date' datetime
01:38 < iratik_ppp> and of course id
01:38 < Wombert> email? url?
01:38 < Wombert> yeah good for validation
01:39 < iratik_ppp> we can do email sure
01:41 < Wombert> cool
01:41 < Wombert> one minute...
01:41 < Wombert> gotta test all this
01:44 < Wombert> mmmh
01:45 < Wombert> damn pear
01:45 < Wombert> gimme a minute, never used propel with pear before
01:45 < iratik_ppp> tis okay
01:48 < Wombert> looks good so far
01:48 < Wombert> let's see if everything went fine
01:48 < Wombert> yay
01:48 < Wombert> awesome
01:48 < Wombert> ooookay
01:48 < iratik_ppp> gr8
01:49 < iratik_ppp> did you get done with the schema.xml?
01:49 < Wombert> yep
01:49 < Wombert> create one
01:49 < Wombert> and insert this (don't change anything)
01:49 < iratik_ppp> pastebin it
01:49 < Wombert> http://pastie.caboo.se/16795
01:49 < Wombert> http://pastie.caboo.se/16795/text better
01:49 < Wombert> also, create a runtime-conf.xml
01:50 < iratik_ppp> and put them where?
01:50 < Wombert> in yourproject/dev
01:50 < impl> Wombert: Is propel relatively fast?
01:50 < iratik_ppp> in pub/../dev
01:50 < Wombert> yes
01:50 * impl is considering using it for his project
01:51 < Wombert> paste this: http://pastie.caboo.se/16796/text and adjust hostspec, database, username and password (do not change datasource names)
01:51 < iratik_ppp> just the database, root, and password?
01:51 < Wombert> yep
01:51 < Wombert> if localhost is your database
01:52 < Wombert> http://pastie.caboo.se/16797/text put that into "build.properties" and adjust the output dir
01:52 < iratik_ppp> in the project dir?
01:52 < Wombert> no, all in yourproject/dev
01:52 < Wombert> this dev folder is on the same level as app and pub
01:53 < Wombert> all three files go there
01:53 < iratik_ppp> huh .. so that directory listing should read "agavi app build.properties pub runtime-conf.xml schema.xml tests"
01:53 < Wombert> no
01:53 < iratik_ppp> or put those three files into dev?
01:54 < Wombert> move build.properties and the two xml files into a folder called "dec"
01:54 < Wombert> yep
01:54 < Wombert> dev
01:54 < iratik_ppp> done
01:54 < Wombert> cool
01:54 < Wombert> go to dev/
01:54 < iratik_ppp> whats my output directory?
01:54 < Wombert> the full path to that dev dir
01:55 < iratik_ppp> alright it appears that propel.output.dir has been set
01:55 < iratik_ppp> and saved
01:55 < Wombert> export TZ=Europe/London
01:55 < Wombert> just for now
01:55 < Wombert> doesn't matter what it is we just don't want php to complain about it right now
01:55 < iratik_ppp> okay
01:55 < Wombert> only valid for your current shell session, don't worry
01:55 < Wombert> okay
01:55 < Wombert> now in dev/ call "propel-gen"
01:56 < Wombert> should run without errors
01:56 < iratik_ppp> yikes
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01:56 < Wombert> what happened
01:57 < iratik_ppp> Exception in XML parsing
01:57 < Wombert> typo?
01:57 < Wombert> runtime config?
01:57 < iratik_ppp> Wow hold on , let me start up ssh - so i can show you real quick
01:57 < Wombert> no worries, fix it and run "propel-gen" again
01:57 < Wombert> what does the error say?
01:58 < iratik_ppp> Its long but here it goes
01:59 < iratik_ppp> [Exception in XML parsing] exception 'ExpatParseException' with message '/usr/share/php/data/propel_generator/build-propel.xml:17:25: ' Unexpected element <available> within <project></project> tags .' in /usr/share/php/phing/parser/ProjectHandler.php:157
01:59 < Wombert> err wtf
01:59 < Wombert> "sudo pear list -c phpdb"
01:59 < Wombert> everything is 1.2.0 ?
02:00 < Wombert> hmm I saw that error just the other day somewhere IIRC
02:00 < Wombert> let me check
02:00 < iratik_ppp> creole is 1.1.0
02:01 < Wombert> that's fine
02:02 < Wombert> php -v
02:02 < Wombert> what does that print?
02:03 < Wombert> "sudo pear list -c phing"
02:03 < Wombert> is it 2.2.0 ?
02:03 < Wombert> hm yeah must be
02:03 < iratik_ppp> no packages installed from channel pear.phing.info
02:04 < Wombert> aaaaah
02:04 < Wombert> that's the problem
02:04 < Wombert> sudo pear uninstall phing
02:04 < iratik_ppp> that error it got around before
02:04 < Wombert> sudo pear channel-discover pear.phing.info
02:04 < Wombert> sudo pear install phing/phing
02:05 < Wombert> you had an old pear version of phing it seems
02:05 < iratik_ppp> installing phing-2.2.0 , install ok
02:05 < Wombert> awesome
02:05 < Wombert> now try again :)
02:05 < iratik_ppp> now try again
02:05 < Wombert> heh exactly
02:05 < iratik_ppp> BUILD FINISHED Total Time: 1.1195 second
02:05 < Wombert> YAY!
02:05 < Wombert> ooookay
02:05 < Wombert> fire up phpmyadmin
02:05 < Wombert> create the database you specified
02:05 < iratik_ppp> i already did
02:05 < Wombert> import dev/sql/schema.xml
02:06 < iratik_ppp> i don't have phpmyadmin - is import a specific feature for phpmyadmin?
02:06 < iratik_ppp> create the table you mean?
02:06 < iratik_ppp> or is import a propel command?
02:06 < Wombert> no
02:06 < Wombert> dev/sql/schema.sql contains the SQL that will create the table for you
02:06 < Wombert> import it into mysql
02:06 < iratik_ppp> ohkay
02:07 < Wombert> hmm not 100% sure how to do that on the command line
02:07 < Wombert> do you know how?
02:07 < iratik_ppp> yep
02:07 < Wombert> good
02:07 < iratik_ppp> created a table "guestbook_entry"
02:07 < Wombert> exactly
02:07 < Wombert> cool
02:08 < Wombert> now let's rock
02:08 < Wombert> a short explanation
02:08 < Wombert> the build.properties is a rather clever one
02:08 < Wombert> because it put everything into the correct folders already
02:08 < Wombert> the runtime config is in app/config
02:08 < Wombert> and the generated models are in app/lib/guestbook
02:08 < iratik_ppp> well there are more than one app now
02:08 < iratik_ppp> there is guestbook/dev/app
02:08 < iratik_ppp> and guestbook/app
02:09 < Wombert> why is there guestbook/dev/app? :(
02:09 < Wombert> oh
02:09 < Wombert> errrrrr
02:09 < iratik_ppp> move build.properties and the two xml files into a folder called "dec"
02:09 < Wombert> xDDD
02:09 < iratik_ppp> go to dev/
02:09 < Wombert> okay
02:09 < Wombert> mmh
02:09 < iratik_ppp> you told me to move those files there, then go there - then run propel_gen
02:09 < Wombert> localhost:~/Sites/guestbook dzuelke$ ls -l
02:09 < Wombert> total 8
02:09 < Wombert> -rwxr-xr-x 1 dzuelke dzuelke 1479 Oct 10 00:25 agavi
02:09 < Wombert> drwxr-xr-x 9 dzuelke dzuelke 306 Oct 10 00:26 app
02:09 < Wombert> drwxr-xr-x 7 dzuelke dzuelke 238 Oct 10 00:47 dev
02:09 < Wombert> drwxr-xr-x 5 dzuelke dzuelke 170 Oct 10 00:26 pub
02:09 < Wombert> drwxr-xr-x 5 dzuelke dzuelke 170 Oct 10 00:26 tests
02:10 < iratik_ppp> same as myne
02:10 < Wombert> localhost:~/Sites/guestbook dzuelke$ ls -l dev
02:10 < Wombert> total 32
02:10 < Wombert> -rw-r--r-- 1 dzuelke dzuelke 887 Oct 10 00:53 build.properties
02:10 < Wombert> -rw-r--r-- 1 dzuelke dzuelke 576 Oct 10 00:42 runtime-conf.xml
02:10 < Wombert> -rw-r--r-- 1 dzuelke dzuelke 1093 Oct 10 00:47 schema-transformed.xml
02:10 < Wombert> -rw-r--r-- 1 dzuelke dzuelke 745 Oct 10 00:41 schema.xml
02:10 < Wombert> drwxr-xr-x 4 dzuelke dzuelke 136 Oct 10 00:47 sql
02:10 < iratik_ppp> not the same as myne
02:10 < Wombert> how's yours different?
02:10 < iratik_ppp> add app , and dev into that list
02:10 < Wombert> okay
02:10 < Wombert> what's in these?
02:11 < iratik_ppp> It looks as if I should have run propel-gen from the project root,
02:11 < Wombert> nah
02:11 < Wombert> from dev/
02:11 < Wombert> ah I guess I know
02:12 < Wombert> check build.properties again
02:12 < Wombert> it must point to guestbook/dev
02:12 < iratik_ppp> propel.output.dir = /var/www/web2/web/dev/guestbook/dev
02:12 < Wombert> not guestbook
02:12 < Wombert> errrrrrr
02:12 < iratik_ppp> i think the problem might be that it DOES point to dev
02:12 < Wombert> let me check
02:12 < Wombert> yes
02:12 < Wombert> indeed
02:12 < Wombert> my bad
02:12 < Wombert> I'm really sorry
02:12 < Wombert> remove /dev from there
02:13 < Wombert> and run propel-gen again (from dev/)
02:13 < Wombert> you can then remove dev and app folders inside dev/
02:13 < iratik_ppp> Wow, now it finished in 0.8243 seconds
02:13 < iratik_ppp> now everything appears to have worked as it should have
02:13 < Wombert> cool
02:13 < iratik_ppp> I hope they keep irc logs
02:13 < Wombert> open app/config/databases.xml
02:14 < Wombert> we do
02:14 < Wombert> throw out the entire postgres thing
02:14 < Wombert> and change the propel database so it points to guestbook-conf.php
02:14 < Wombert> instead of project-conf.php
02:15 < iratik_ppp> where would guestbook-conf.php be, or just change the name because they are in the same sport
02:15 < iratik_ppp> s/sport/spot/
02:15 < Wombert> theys are in the same spot
02:15 < Wombert> the build.properties was set up so it was copied there by propel
02:15 < Wombert> for convenience
02:15 < Wombert> is it there?
02:15 < iratik_ppp> okay
02:16 < iratik_ppp> yeah
02:16 < Wombert> good. next: open settings.xml
02:16 < Wombert> set use_translation to false
02:16 < Wombert> we don't need that
02:16 < Wombert> and set use_database to true
02:16 < Wombert> you can also change the app name to "Guestbook"
02:16 < iratik_ppp> its already set to false
02:16 < Wombert> ah
02:16 < Wombert> true
02:16 < iratik_ppp> done
02:16 < Wombert> let's stay here for a second
02:17 < Wombert> do you see the second <configuration> block
02:17 < Wombert> the first one is generic.
02:17 < Wombert> the second one is only for the "development" environment
02:17 < Wombert> there, debug mode is on
02:17 < iratik_ppp> yeah, turn debug off?
02:17 < Wombert> no, leave it
02:17 < Wombert> if you wanted to turn it off
02:17 < Wombert> you could instead bootstrap a different environment
02:17 < Wombert> no need to define the environments anywhere
02:17 < Wombert> you can just use them
02:18 < Wombert> have a look at pub/index.php
02:18 < Wombert> we bootstrap 'development' there
02:18 < Wombert> that's fine tho
02:18 < iratik_ppp> alright
02:18 < Wombert> propel is an exception, but for other databases, you have to configure credentials
02:18 < Wombert> so databases could contain two <configuration> blocks, one for each environment, and each contains the respective machine's database settings
02:18 < Wombert> this way, you have to change one thing to adapt your app to a different environment
02:19 < Wombert> we move on
02:19 < iratik_ppp> alright
02:19 < Wombert> one last thing for convenience only
02:19 < Wombert> autoload.xml please
02:19 < iratik_ppp> okay
02:19 < Wombert> throw out everything inside <configurations> (the commented out stuff)
02:19 < Wombert> insert
02:19 -!- benny`work [n=benny@p54AC3D3A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["unset($this);"]
02:19 < Wombert> (pasting that)
02:21 < Wombert> http://pastie.caboo.se/16802/text
02:21 < Wombert> do you see that first line there...
02:21 < Wombert> <configurations parent="%core.system_config_dir%/autoload.xml">
02:22 < iratik_ppp> can i just download that and surround it by <configurations parent... and end with /configurations
02:22 < Wombert> exactly
02:22 < Wombert> this "parent" thing is another feature of agavi. it means that if that file is requested for compilation by the config handler, it first loads this parent file and merges them together
02:22 < Wombert> in our case, these are the autoload definitions of all of agavi's core classes
02:22 < Wombert> two benefits
02:22 < Wombert> 1) you can overwrite everything
02:23 < Wombert> 2) your own autoload.xml is not cluttered up. if we change something, you don't have to change your stuff. etc.
02:23 < Wombert> of course, this parent file can again have such a parent section
02:23 < Wombert> so you could have a central autoload file for all your projects, for instance
02:23 < Wombert> good.
02:23 < Wombert> almost there
02:23 < Wombert> one last thing, a requirement of propel 1.2
02:24 < Wombert> open app/config.php
02:25 < iratik_ppp> there is only one line of actual code in that whole file
02:25 < Wombert> set_include_path(realpath(AgaviConfig::get('core.app_dir') . '/lib') . PATH_SEPARATOR . get_include_path());
02:26 < Wombert> put that at the end
02:26 < iratik_ppp> alright
02:27 < Wombert> fantastic
02:27 < Wombert> now we're ready to build our project
02:27 < iratik_ppp> wow - you are going to have to work on this alot to get it anything remotely close to RAD
02:27 < iratik_ppp> but i guess thats not necessarily the goal
02:27 < Wombert> yep
02:27 < Wombert> and
02:27 < Wombert> from now on, things are easy
02:27 < Wombert> agavi has a nice feature that was eventually copied by other frameworks (such as symfony)
02:28 < Wombert> you can add propel object classes to the autoload
02:28 < Wombert> and it will then automatically load and initialize propel for you
02:28 < Wombert> which means hassle-free code
02:28 < Wombert> we just did that with GuestbookEntry (represents a single row) and GuestbookEntryPeer (class for retrieving rows)
02:29 < iratik_ppp> cool - so model files and itterators were automatically generated?
02:29 < Wombert> yes, propel did that from the sxchema
02:29 < Wombert> you'll see how to use it in a minute
02:30 < Wombert> first, a master template, so stuff looks nice
02:30 < Wombert> and it will show you how to use decorators
02:30 < Wombert> let me write something quickly
02:34 < Wombert> okay
02:35 < iratik_ppp> got it?
02:35 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: create modules/Default/templates/Master.php
02:35 < Wombert> http://pastie.caboo.se/16806/text
02:35 < Wombert> this will be our decorator template
02:35 < Wombert> you'll see what it does in a minute
02:35 < iratik_ppp> done
02:35 < Wombert> good
02:36 < Wombert> did you see we use non-declared variables?
02:36 < iratik_ppp> what does $ro refer to
02:36 < Wombert> exactly
02:36 < Wombert> it's the routing
02:36 < Wombert> we use it to generate URLs
02:36 < Wombert> but it's not declared, right?
02:36 < iratik_ppp> I really like this so far, it may not do everything for you, but it gives you ultimate power
02:37 < Wombert> open app/config/output_types.xml
02:37 < iratik_ppp> mkay
02:38 < Wombert> one second...
02:40 < Wombert> hmmmm
02:40 < Wombert> odd
02:41 < Wombert> ah
02:41 < Wombert> my bad
02:41 < Wombert> yeah
02:41 < iratik_ppp> take your time
02:41 < Wombert> wonderful
02:41 < iratik_ppp> all good?
02:41 < Wombert> you bet
02:42 < Wombert> please change Master.php so it echoes $_title instead of $title
02:42 < Wombert> then, make this your new output_types.xml:
02:42 < Wombert> http://pastie.caboo.se/16808/text
02:43 < iratik_ppp> where do I put this file at?
02:43 < Wombert> app/config/output_types.xml
02:43 < Wombert> it's already there
02:44 < iratik_ppp> whew .. alot of stuff, alright..
02:44 < Wombert> okay
02:45 < Wombert> now... open app/modules/Default/views/IndexSuccessView.class.php
02:45 < Wombert> after $this->setTemplate... insert:
02:45 < Wombert> $this->setDecoratorTemplate('Master');
02:45 < Wombert> do you see how the file extensions are missing there?
02:45 < iratik_ppp> yeah
02:46 < Wombert> okay
02:46 < Wombert> the idea is
02:46 < Wombert> each renderer has a default extension, obviously
02:46 < Wombert> .xsl for XSLRenderer, .php for PHPRenderer, .tpl for smarty etc
02:47 < Wombert> the renderer is defined in the output type (but you can also override it in the code, doesn't matter here tho)
02:47 < Wombert> so... right now our default output type "html" is set, which uses php for rendering, which makes the template extension... .php
02:47 < Wombert> you could now swap all templates for smarty equivalents
02:47 < iratik_ppp> oh cool
02:47 < Wombert> and then change the output type so it uses AgaviSmartyRenderre
02:47 < impl> XSLRenderer is probably not perfect...
02:47 < Wombert> and bam, everything works
02:47 < impl> :P
02:47 < Wombert> but it's getting better
02:48 < Wombert> let's say you don't know jack about CSS and want a dedicated printable version of everything, okay?
02:48 < Wombert> you'd set up another output type similar to the one you just defined
02:48 < Wombert> called html_print
02:48 < Wombert> it uses the php renderer, too, but you give it a differnet extension... "-print.php"
02:48 < Wombert> AND
02:48 < Wombert> you configure it to fall back to "html"
02:49 < Wombert> then, all you have to do is throw IndexSuccess-print.php into the same folder and bam...
02:49 < Wombert> you have a printable version
02:49 < Wombert> of the same output
02:49 < Wombert> with the same code
02:49 < impl> Then then then you write a route to match "/print/$" and have the output type set to "html_print"
02:49 < Wombert> if a -print.php is not there, it falls back to the normal version
02:49 < Wombert> exactly... and to set that output type, you can do whatever you like, but the routing is most convenient
02:49 < impl> And you go to the action of your choice and hit up /path/print/
02:50 < Wombert> tadaaaaa
02:50 < Wombert> cool? :)
02:50 < Wombert> did you understand it?
02:50 * impl loves routing more than anything evar
02:50 < iratik_ppp> do what?
02:50 < Wombert> it's a slightly more advanced concept. we'll get to that later when we create a JSON list of your guestbook entries
02:50 < Wombert> no need to do anything right now... I just explained ;)
02:51 < Wombert> let's first clear up a very basic concept... the last one you'll need to know before we actually start coding
02:51 < Wombert> we have actions/IndexAction.class.php
02:52 < Wombert> it passes control to the "Success" view, which means IndexSuccessView.class.php
02:52 < Wombert> this sets "IndexSuccess" as the template, which then gets rendered
02:52 < Wombert> do see that, go point your browser to guestbook/pub
02:53 < Wombert> you should see a simple page... and your hello world from earlier should be there, too, below the menu
02:53 < Wombert> right?
02:53 < iratik_ppp> Alright hold on
02:54 < iratik_ppp> Fatal error: Configuration file "/var/www/web2/web/dev/guestbook/app/config/autoload.xml" specifies class "GuestbookEntry" with nonexistent or unreadable file "/var/www/web2/web/dev/guestbook/app/lib/guestbook/GuestbookEntry.php" in /home/ctatechs/trunk/src/core/Agavi.class.php on line 61
02:54 < iratik_ppp> at least thats specific
02:54 < Wombert> ooooh!
02:54 < Wombert> that's _bad_
02:55 < Wombert> okay...
02:55 < Wombert> you said app/config/guestbook-conf.php is there?
02:55 < iratik_ppp> i can find those files and direct the autoload.xml to point to the right place
02:55 < iratik_ppp> it doesn't exist though
02:55 < Wombert> oh
02:55 < iratik_ppp> yeah guestbook-conf.php is there
02:55 < Wombert> hm
02:56 < Wombert> but no app/lib/
02:56 < Wombert> ?
02:56 < Wombert> or app/lib/guestbook?
02:56 < iratik_ppp> empty directory
02:56 < Wombert> :S
02:56 < Wombert> ewww
02:56 < Wombert> something went wrong with propel then
02:56 < impl> propel borks
02:56 < impl> D:
02:56 < Wombert> are they in dev/app/blah?
02:56 < iratik_ppp> when were those supposed to be generated
02:56 < iratik_ppp> there is no dev/app
02:56 < iratik_ppp> there are only three files there
02:56 < Wombert> okay
02:57 < Wombert> what's the output.dir line in build.properties?
02:57 < iratik_ppp> propel.output.dir = /var/www/web2/web/dev/guestbook
02:57 < Wombert> mmmh
02:57 < Wombert> that's strrraaaaannnngeee
02:57 < Wombert> go back to dev/
02:57 < iratik_ppp> and the php output directory should have been guestbook/app/lib
02:57 < Wombert> and run "propel-gen ./" again
02:58 < iratik_ppp> files are there now
02:58 < Wombert> fantastic
02:58 < Wombert> reload browser
02:58 < iratik_ppp> Nice
02:58 < iratik_ppp> Customizable
02:59 < Wombert> one second please
03:07 < Wombert> back, iratik_ppp
03:07 < iratik_ppp> alright
03:07 < Wombert> good
03:08 < Wombert> what happened is that the routing decided it wants to run app/modules/Default/actions/IndexAction.class.php
03:08 < Wombert> which doesn't serve a request method, because it doesn't have an execute() method
03:08 < Wombert> request methods work like this
03:08 < Wombert> for web requests, HTTP GET is mapped to "read" and HTTP POST is mapped to "write"
03:08 < Wombert> so we abstract the request method names
03:09 < iratik_ppp> okay
03:09 < Wombert> this has several charming advantages, for instance, we also allow RESTful services where you could map a HTTP PUT to a method and actually make it "write"
03:09 < Wombert> or... if you want a console interface to your app
03:09 < Wombert> there's no GET or POST
03:09 < Wombert> hence the abstraction
03:09 < Wombert> since tghe action doesn't have a request method, the system uses getDefaultViewName() which says "Success"
03:09 < Wombert> check that in the action file
03:10 < Wombert> then, the template is rendered, and after that, put into $slots['content']. then, the decorator template is run, and everythign is displayed.
03:10 < Wombert> any questions so far?
03:11 < Wombert> note that we told the system to "extract" variables assigned to the template. thus, we get $_title, because it's assigned in IndexSuccessView
03:12 < Wombert> the slots (will explain that later), on the other hand, aren't extracted, and their variable name is $slots... so this is then an array
03:12 < Wombert> if we hadn't configured it like that in output_types.xml, we would have to use $template['_title'] instead in Master.php
03:12 < iratik_ppp> ahh
03:12 < iratik_ppp> right
03:12 < Wombert> the _ is just a reasonable convention so you explicitly mark this variable for use in the decorator template
03:13 < Wombert> also, output_types.xml contained one assignment declaration, which causes the routing instance to be available in all templates as $ro
03:13 < Wombert> for convenience
03:13 < Wombert> saves tons of hassle and makes things consistent
03:13 < Wombert> if you hover the three links, you might notice that the links have a ? at the end
03:14 < Wombert> that's because the routing has an educated guess regarding what the URL should look like - we haven't defined these routes yet
03:14 < Wombert> we'll do that now
03:16 < Wombert> ready?
03:20 < iratik_ppp> yeah
03:20 < iratik_ppp> sorry,
03:20 < iratik_ppp> i'm writing all this down
03:20 < Wombert> our new app/config/routing.xml: http://pastie.caboo.se/16816/text - now reload the browser and see how the URLs changed. we're not using a regular expression or even parameters in the URL yet, but we'll get to that soon.
03:21 < Wombert> cool!
03:22 < iratik_ppp> i did that routing.xml thing
03:22 < Wombert> good
03:22 < Wombert> now go back to the console
03:22 < iratik_ppp> alright
03:22 < Wombert> into guestbook/
03:22 < Wombert> ./agavi action
03:23 < iratik_ppp> then
03:23 < Wombert> it asks you for the module. it lists them all, but it can't preselect onebecause we aren't in a module diurectory
03:23 < Wombert> type "Default"
03:23 < iratik_ppp> you mean press enter?
03:23 < Wombert> next the action name... "ListEntries"
03:23 < Wombert> type in "Default" and press return, yeah
03:23 < Wombert> next the action name... "ListEntries"
03:23 < Wombert> then the views for it...
03:23 < Wombert> we only need a success view here
03:23 < Wombert> so type Success
03:24 < Wombert> mind case sensitivity
03:24 < iratik_ppp> BUILD FINISHED
03:24 < Wombert> sweet
03:24 < Wombert> not let's code something!
03:24 < Wombert> fire up ListEntriesAction.class.php
03:24 < Wombert> it just got created for us
03:25 < iratik_ppp> where is that
03:25 < impl> Wombert: Your dedication is amazing, man... it really is
03:25 < impl> modules/Default/actions
03:25 < Wombert> impl: ?
03:25 < iratik_ppp> yeah his dedication is quite insane
03:25 < impl> Wombert: You've been helping this guy start out for a good four hours now, and over 300 lines
03:25 < Wombert> heh :) well
03:26 < iratik_ppp> almost as insane as myne - to get this whole thing into a wizard, a tutorial or something
03:26 < Wombert> if there's no documentation... ;)
03:26 < iratik_ppp> http://seal-7.blogspot.com/
03:26 < impl> Putting that text into a written tutorial would be awesome
03:26 < Wombert> it really would be, yes
03:26 < iratik_ppp> its just getting that dang xml to render - which its not
03:27 < Wombert> ewww yeah I know that kind of problems
03:27 < impl> A movie would be awesome too
03:27 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: that's out ListEntriesAction.class.php: http://pastie.caboo.se/16818/text
03:27 < Wombert> our
03:27 < iratik_ppp> Yeah over my dead body- this thing needs a little more autogeneration - I would say that only the schema.xml really needs to be hard coded - you can go with a basic standards accessible template for Master.php
03:28 < iratik_ppp> ListEntriesAction.class.php goes where?
03:28 < Wombert> where it already is... modules/Default/actions
03:28 < Wombert> it just got generated after you did "agavi action"
03:28 < Wombert> you can also have custom templates for these files, but that's a topic for the next lesson ;)
03:30 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: is that file there?
03:30 < impl> Wombert: I'm trying a docbook editor for Eclipse... will let you know how it goes
03:30 < iratik_ppp> yeah hold on
03:30 < impl> Wombert: btw, what's your IDE/editor of choice?
03:30 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/agavi-200610.log
03:30 < Wombert> impl: http://www.macromates.com/
03:30 < Wombert> that's the editor you see in all the symfony/cakephp/ruby on rails movies
03:30 < impl> Oh
03:31 < impl> heheh
03:31 < iratik_ppp> ./mate ?
03:31 < iratik_ppp> yeah , i've been wondering what that was
03:31 < Wombert> yep, textmate
03:31 < Wombert> fantastic editor
03:31 < Wombert> one of the reasons why I switched to the max
03:31 < Wombert> mac
03:32 < Wombert> another reason was... "apt-get install kcachegrind" :)
03:32 < Wombert> that was rather fucked up though... compiled KDE, QT etc etc etc for about eight hours
03:33 < impl> On Debian? :\
03:33 < Wombert> on OS X :)
03:33 < Wombert> http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ and http://fink.sf.net/ for teh win
03:33 < impl> I didn't know OS X had apt-get
03:33 < iratik_ppp> try installing compiz on ubuntu
03:34 < Wombert> impl: it doesn't ;)
03:43 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: shall we continue? :)
03:43 < iratik_ppp> alright i'm caught up!
03:43 < Wombert> sweet
03:44 < Wombert> you can always have a look at the logs later to see if you haven't forgot anything etc
03:44 < iratik_ppp> its FREAKING huge! http://seal-7.blogspot.com/
03:44 < Wombert> oO
03:44 < iratik_ppp> but oh well
03:45 < Wombert> did you enter "ListProcucts" with or without quotation marks? ;)
03:45 < iratik_ppp> what?
03:46 < Wombert> (because I'm seeing:
03:46 < Wombert> Enter the command
03:46 < Wombert> ./agavi action
03:46 < Wombert> Enter "Default"
03:46 < Wombert> Enter "ListEntries"
03:46 < Wombert> Enter Success
03:46 < Wombert> )
03:46 < Wombert> had me wondering
03:46 < iratik_ppp> well, i mean without quotation marks
03:46 < Wombert> okay
03:46 < iratik_ppp> but , hopefully everyone knows what I mean
03:46 < Wombert> ;o)
03:46 < Wombert> now reload the page
03:46 < iratik_ppp> yeah i must be getting a little tired - i missed those last quotation marks
03:46 < Wombert> then click the "list" link
03:47 < Wombert> no worries, I'm tired too... but we're making good progress :>
03:47 < iratik_ppp> well the home link goes home now
03:47 < iratik_ppp> the list link cannot be found
03:47 < Wombert> did you reload before?
03:47 < Wombert> and did you adjust routing.xml?
03:47 < Wombert> or did I miss that
03:47 < iratik_ppp> yep , yep hold on let me make sure I actually did it
03:48 < iratik_ppp> i might have just put it in my blog
03:48 < iratik_ppp> alright the routing is fine
03:48 < iratik_ppp> its not that
03:48 < iratik_ppp> u mapped list ,add and home
03:48 < iratik_ppp> it looks like the home part went fine
03:49 < Wombert> whre does "List Entries" take you?
03:49 < Wombert> might be an Apache issue here
03:49 < iratik_ppp> http://www.loadmax.com/dev/guestbook/pub/index.php/list
03:49 < Wombert> and the result?
03:49 < iratik_ppp> may be likely - 404
03:49 < Wombert> apache 404?
03:49 < iratik_ppp> I have odd rewrite settings
03:49 < Wombert> or our own
03:49 < Wombert> eww
03:49 < iratik_ppp> http://www.loadmax.com/dev/guestbook/pub/index.php/list
03:50 < impl> http://www.loadmax.com/dev/guestbook/pub/index.php?/list
03:50 < Wombert> that's agavi
03:50 < impl> You need the ?
03:50 < Wombert> odd
03:50 < Wombert> very odd actually
03:50 < Wombert> might be a bug or something
03:50 < iratik_ppp> well that works
03:50 < impl> I thought it was either /blah or /index.php?/blah
03:50 < iratik_ppp> it doesn't 404, but it goes back to home
03:50 < impl> Depending on mod_rewrite
03:50 < Wombert> impl: nah ;)
03:50 < impl> Oh, k :P
03:50 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: likely an issue specific to your environment
03:51 < Wombert> iratik_ppp: let's work around this... in pub/ there's a dist.htaccess
03:51 < iratik_ppp> whew .. alright
03:51 < Wombert> RewriteBase /WEBSERVER/PATH/TO/pub/
03:51 < Wombert> change that line to
03:51 < Wombert> RewriteBase /dev/guestbook/pub/
03:51 < Wombert> and
03:52 < Wombert> set RewriteEngine On in the line above that
03:52 < Wombert> the rest can remain untouched
03:52 < iratik_ppp> woa i'm a little confused on the RewriteBase
03:52 < iratik_ppp> is it the http path ,or the system path to pub?
03:52 < Wombert> http path for rewrite bases
03:52 < Wombert> always :)
03:53 < iratik_ppp> no need to restart with htaccess right?
03:53 < Wombert> and don't forget to move "dist.htaccess" to ".htaccess"
03:53 < Wombert> no
03:53 < Wombert> but your webserver needs the AllowOverride settings for that directory
03:53 < Wombert> you might have to do that
03:54 < Wombert> you'll see... if you get an internal server error, you'll have to fiddle with the apache config
03:54 < Wombert> now call pub/ again
03:54 < Wombert> does it work?
03:54 < iratik_ppp> 500 internal server error
03:55 < iratik_ppp> i'm done for a minute
03:55 < impl> Uh oh
03:55 < impl> :P
03:55 < Wombert> AllowOverride All for that <Directory> in httpd.conf
03:55 * Wombert yawns
03:56 < iratik_ppp> dude - I realize you are super ultra mega dedicated to this - but even i've got a limit , I didn't want to walk out cuz you already put so much effort into it and i didn't want to leave without you not getting anything out of it - but i posted a primer that you can copy and continue on your own - plus you have experience and more knowledge of how difficult setting up agavi can be for a beginner - its a promissing framework , but I'm
03:56 < Wombert> haha
03:56 < Wombert> :>
03:56 < iratik_ppp> i really appreciate the help man
03:56 < iratik_ppp> i wish you good luck with your framework - i gotta get some sleep
03:56 < Wombert> yeah me too
03:57 < Wombert> we're now only one file away from seeing something from the database
03:57 < iratik_ppp> but were 8 files in
03:57 < iratik_ppp> thats not so bad though
03:57 < Wombert> so if you wanna come back tomorrow, we'll finish this
03:57 < Wombert> I already got it working here ;I
03:57 < Wombert> ;)
03:57 < iratik_ppp> i may just do that, i'm going to look into some other options
03:57 < Wombert> gonna get some sleep, too...3am here
03:57 < iratik_ppp> well at least you have another sample app
03:57 < Wombert> do that
03:58 < Wombert> yeah
03:58 < iratik_ppp> yeah - I gotta get, man i'm tired - this reminded me much of nennius - a php framework i tried out a long time ago - full of schema files and sadomasochistic xml files
03:58 < Wombert> it's a pretty good "getting started" tutorial
03:58 < Wombert> well the schema stuff was actually propel here ;)
03:58 < iratik_ppp> yeah - it covers enough to get a homepage with links up at least - maybe with a little tweaking some DB out of it
03:59 < Wombert> and... I also gotta add that we threw in quite some custom stuff as well right at the beginning
03:59 < Wombert> so we wouldn't have to change as much stuff later all the time (routes, output types etc etc etc)
03:59 < iratik_ppp> I was most impressed with the flexibility this offered, but I can get the same flexibility just doing it by hand
03:59 < iratik_ppp> Good luck man
03:59 < iratik_ppp> i might see you tommorow
03:59 < Wombert> with agavi, it's a bit of work for setting up a project, and then, BAM, it all of a sudden gets very easy
03:59 < Wombert> yeah
03:59 < Wombert> cool
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03:59 < Wombert> see ya man
03:59 < Wombert> good night :)
03:59 < Wombert> mmh
04:00 < Wombert> proves the point: we rrreeaaaaaallly need documentation ;)
04:06 < Wombert> time to sleep :)
04:07 < Wombert> nn impl
04:07 < impl> Night, Wombert
04:07 < impl> ;x
04:07 < Wombert> :>
04:07 < Wombert> :x
04:07 < Wombert> oO
04:07 < Wombert> that's an evil smiley here
04:07 < Wombert> wtf
04:07 < Wombert> weird
04:07 < Wombert> anyways... catch ya later man
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08:17 < v-dogg> oh for fucks sake
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09:29 < splatch`> hello
09:29 < v-dogg> hi
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13:01 < eremit> hi all
13:15 < raidman> hi eremit
13:15 < raidman> and hi all :)
13:15 < eremit> hmmm anybody an idea how high the possibility for sessions with the same session id is ?
13:17 < v-dogg> very low, I would say
13:18 < eremit> hmm i have the following problem ...
13:18 < eremit> i open an agavi application and get automatically logged in as another user Oo
13:20 < eremit> and have this problem quite regullary
13:44 < shoan> do you have multiple agavi applications running on the same server?
13:45 < shoan> -server +domain
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13:54 < eremit> shoan, no ...
13:55 < eremit> it's a dedicated server running only _one_ application
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14:17 < v-dogg> wombiw
14:18 < Wombert> hiiiii
14:18 < Wombert> 'sup
14:18 < v-dogg> busy busy busy
14:18 < v-dogg> TooMuchWorkException
14:18 < v-dogg> I joined #symfony this morning
14:21 < v-dogg> http://veikkomakinen.com/temp/symfony.lastlog.txt
14:23 < v-dogg> this was the best: 08:35 < Pests> Sure its even based on your code?
14:23 < v-dogg> * @author Veikko Mkinen <mail@veikkomakinen.com>
14:23 < v-dogg> :)
14:24 < Wombert> yeah
14:24 < Wombert> I mean... it's not like it happend only once
14:24 < Wombert> back then when I accidentially discovered that rovert had copied code
14:24 < Wombert> fabien had promised me he'd check other "work" of rovert
14:25 < Wombert> and he said he'd talk to him, too
14:25 < Wombert> but rovert did it again recently
14:26 < Wombert> I have no problem if he copies a snippet of code (it was support for the httpOnly cookie feature PHP5.2 has)
14:26 < Wombert> but I'm getting mad about the fact that he copies LGPL code and then not only vliolates the license by re-licensing it as MIT
14:26 < Wombert> but also by removing "The Agavi Project" as an author
14:27 < Wombert> and this happens with other stuff, too
14:27 < Wombert> he throws everything into his repos
14:27 < Wombert> and then people look at LICENSE in trunk where it says "yay, public domain, and copyrigh fabien potencier"
14:27 < v-dogg> like I wrote this morning:
14:27 < v-dogg> 08:43 < v-dogg> as far as I know this is not an isolated case... and if that's true it is going to bite you in the ass sooner or later
14:27 < Wombert> you know how many people over at #symfony think Propel is his work?
14:28 < v-dogg> that sucks
14:28 < Wombert> it's simply bundled without proper license info
14:28 < Wombert> as is creole
14:28 < Wombert> as is the ICU data he took from prado
14:28 < Wombert> etc
14:28 < Wombert> I hope it bites them in their ass
14:28 < Wombert> I talked to fabien a couple of weeks back
14:29 < Wombert> where I told him I had discovered the ICU license is missing... he said he'd fix it
14:30 < Wombert> v-dogg: you wrote creole session storage, right?
14:30 < CIA-11> david * r1100 /trunk/src/storage/AgaviCreoleSessionStorage.class.php: fixed copyright info
14:31 < Wombert> I didn't even know that until dominik pointed it out last night
14:31 < Wombert> b rb
14:42 < eremit> v-dogg: you must get harder ^^ regarding this
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14:55 < Wombert> yeah go back and tell them you'll sue the hell out of em
14:58 < eremit> go back and tell'em they have 2 days to remove your code from all of their releases/svn's etc ...
14:58 < eremit> :P
15:11 < Wombert> that would be fun xD
15:11 < Wombert> but I got a better idea
15:11 < Wombert> we don't say anything anymore (did it often enough)
15:11 < Wombert> we package a release
15:11 < Wombert> we build the new websiet
15:11 < Wombert> and then
15:11 < Wombert> an angry blog posting
15:11 < eremit> ^^
15:11 < Wombert> comparing agavi's and symfony's IP attitudes :)
15:12 < Wombert> dominik is porting ICU's date and calender stuff
15:12 < eremit> try to get it on ./ ... this would be fun ...
15:12 < Wombert> he told me he added the original authors to every single method he ported
15:12 < eremit> disrespect of Licsensing within the opensource php framework community :P
15:12 < Wombert> that's how I think it should be done
15:12 < Wombert> respect among open source projects is essentia
15:12 < Wombert> l
15:12 < eremit> i put the @author tag in every method i write
15:13 < Wombert> yeah but he added
15:13 < Wombert> @author The ICU Project
15:13 < Wombert> and @copyright International Business Machines
15:13 < Wombert> etc
15:13 < Wombert> because he ported it
15:13 < Wombert> he didn't take any code, but it's still theit idea etc
15:13 < eremit> yep ...
15:13 < eremit> i would put both ... ICU and myself in the @author tags ...
15:14 < Wombert> sure
15:14 < Wombert> I added more LICENSE files to trunk the other day
15:14 < eremit> and a notice about the fact the porting
15:14 < Wombert> let me know if you come across any mistakes or missing things
15:15 < eremit> yes i will ...
15:15 < eremit> but currently i've frozen trunk revision 1066
15:15 < eremit> tomorrow is release and i don't have the time to keep with upstream ...
15:16 < eremit> the next update will be synced again ;)
15:16 < Wombert> sure
15:16 < Wombert> ;)
15:16 < eremit> btw there are some parts i'm really really missing ...
15:16 < digitarald> what i.e?
15:16 < eremit> currently ...
15:16 < digitarald> actionchains ;)
15:17 < eremit> the exception can be quite useless ... atm i'm fighting against TooManyForwards and don't have any idea where they come from
15:17 < Wombert> too many slots or so?
15:18 < eremit> nop looks like a problem with the autoforward to the login page ...
15:18 < eremit> but the whole login stuff is somehow broken ...
15:18 < eremit> :/
15:18 < Wombert> let me know if you need any assistance
15:18 < digitarald> i would appreciate that 3th party exceptions are not stripped into agavi exceptions ... so all additional exception informations are stripped. like propelexceptions and so on ...
15:18 < eremit> if i load the page without being logged in ... i have a chance of about 1:100 to get logged in as another user
15:18 < Wombert> eremit: oO wtf
15:19 < Wombert> concurrency issue
15:19 < Wombert> not an agavi issue
15:19 < Wombert> php problem?
15:19 < eremit> Wombert, i dont see any concurrencies ... i use the AgaviSessionStorage ...
15:19 < Wombert> shared memory? cluster? database for sessions?
15:19 < Wombert> wow
15:19 < eremit> and that one uses session_start ...
15:19 < eremit> i don't see any mistakes there ... i would implement it exactly the same way ...
15:20 < eremit> now i'm building an ExtAgaviSessionStorage ... testing if the browser tag, ip are equal before using the session ;)
15:20 < Wombert> maybe some proxy issue or so?
15:20 < Wombert> did you disable trans sids?
15:21 < eremit> we don't have proxies ... and we have disabled trans.... f.... mom
15:21 < Wombert> digitarald: it doesn't do that anymore
15:21 < eremit> ./php.ini:session.use_trans_sid = 0
15:21 < Wombert> wrap other exceptions
15:21 < Wombert> hmh
15:21 < Wombert> :<
15:21 < eremit> so it isn't the trans_sid
15:22 < eremit> neverless i will take about 6 additional checks to the session so this shouldn't be a problem
15:22 < Wombert> is must be a PHP issue
15:22 < eremit> yeah ... i think so too ...
15:22 < Wombert> digitarald:
15:22 < Wombert> } catch(Exception $e) {
15:22 < Wombert> AgaviException::printStackTrace($e, $this->context, $this->getResponse());
15:22 < Wombert> }
15:23 < eremit> but i only happens to users using: Safari or IE ... none of our 5000k firefox testers had this problem ^^
15:23 < eremit> but session id browser dependant is stupid Oo
15:24 < Wombert> for action chains... http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/ticket/290
15:24 < Wombert> regarding exceptions... http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/ticket/95
15:25 < Wombert> I just tested it with a PropelException, works like a charm
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16:25 < digitarald> Wombert, a friend said it ... i believe he is using 0.10 ...
16:25 < digitarald> so ... nevermind
16:26 < Wombert> jake: xmlrpc support is in
16:26 < Wombert> check out the sample app
16:26 < Wombert> the search engine spam action is exposed a s aweb service (method name "getItemPrice")
16:27 < v-dogg> can symfony handle xml-rpc ?
16:27 < Wombert> no
16:27 < v-dogg> ok :)
16:27 < Wombert> I once saw a "solution" for that on the mailing list of theirs
16:27 < Wombert> I think it was for SOAP
16:27 < Wombert> their "solution" was to write a class that's given to soap
16:27 < Wombert> which has all method names you want to make available
16:27 < epaulin> yeah, in 0.10 we use customed ExtWebController And Exception
16:27 < Wombert> each method then calls dispatch() or so
16:28 < Wombert> pretty hacky approach
16:28 < Wombert> besides the fact that you have to add all methods to it by hand
16:28 < Wombert> our solution that uses the routing is a lot more convenient, obviously
16:28 < Wombert> AND
16:28 < Wombert> of course
16:28 < Wombert> their solution doesn't allow reusability
16:28 < Wombert> i.e. you can't use the same action for the web site and XMLRPC
16:28 < Wombert> since they have no output types etc
16:29 < Wombert> but as we know, they also have "ajax actions", whatever that is, so... :>
16:30 < epaulin> actually, "ajax actions" just has no layout
16:31 < Wombert> and they return JSON?
16:31 < digitarald> whats does ajax actions return?
16:31 < Wombert> or what?
16:31 < epaulin> will, how exactly agavi handle this?
16:31 < digitarald> xhtml, xml or json?
16:31 < digitarald> it can return what u need ... just define another renderer :)
16:31 < Wombert> in agavi, you have an action. it does only the business logic. unlike in symfony, you don't set output stuff there, or cookies, or dispatch forwards or redirects
16:31 < digitarald> or another template
16:31 < Wombert> that's presentational, and the job of the view
16:32 < Wombert> you configure output types
16:32 < Wombert> they can be set where you like, but the routing is the most convenient approach
16:32 < Wombert> e.g. when the user agent is "prototype" or "jquery", you set it to "json"
16:32 < Wombert> it will then render different output
16:32 < Wombert> using exactly the same logic code
16:32 < digitarald> Wombert, we need a list of changes from 0.10 to 0.11 ... a how-to-convert-my-0.10-app
16:32 < Wombert> digitarald: yeah
16:33 < Wombert> I think dominik has a finished API_CHANGELOG already
16:33 < v-dogg> (if I understood correctly Action in symfony is WebAction, so you already have mixed up presentation into it, so it makes no difference if you mix a bit more with forwards or redirects :)
16:33 < Wombert> this way, one action can render HTML, JSON, PDF etc
16:33 < Wombert> yeah... WebAction... that's so stupid
16:33 < v-dogg> don't know if it's named that way
16:33 < Wombert> you can clearly see how they listened to the demands of people without a clue
16:34 < epaulin> yeah, i hate the symfony MVC way
16:34 < v-dogg> let me copy-paste that...
16:34 < Wombert> no offense to them, but symfony clearly is presented as an easy-to-use framework
16:34 < v-dogg> :)
16:34 < Wombert> haha :>
16:34 < Wombert> this attracts a lot of newbies
16:34 < Wombert> instead of telling them "no, we won't add helper methods that generate an image tag for you" they should say "go back and learn programming, then use a framework"
16:35 < Wombert> I honestly believe it should be against the law to learn programming with PHP
16:35 < digitarald> but the ror image helpers are pretty fine
16:35 < Wombert> people should be forced to use java or so
16:35 < Wombert> so they actually learn what they're doing
16:35 < digitarald> cheking for an asset server for the actual application and generating all ... but how to put something like that in agavi :D
16:35 < Wombert> a guy once showed me some code...
16:35 < epaulin> i agree with that, the admin generater is the most attractive one for me
16:35 < Wombert> mysql_connect("$host", "$username", "$password");
16:36 < Wombert> ...
16:36 < Wombert> and I said "wtf why do you use strings, do you even know what a variable is?"
16:36 < Wombert> "a friend told me to do that we he knows PHP"...
16:36 < Wombert> -we
16:36 < Wombert> these people
16:37 < Wombert> are killing other people's jobs
16:37 < Wombert> that's just my 2c on that issue
16:37 < Wombert> epaulin: the scaffolding stuff is quite nice indeed
16:37 < v-dogg> so we should start killing them
16:37 < digitarald> the people who knows php or the others put there ... wrapping bad code in bad designs
16:37 < eremit> ^^ Wombert thats in nearly every it related job a problem
16:37 < Wombert> I mean
16:37 < Wombert> why the hell do I even bother to study CS or whatever
16:38 < Wombert> if I then can't get that client
16:38 < v-dogg> good question
16:38 < Wombert> because he has a friend
16:38 < v-dogg> drop out
16:38 < Wombert> who has a son
16:38 < Wombert> who "knows PHP"
16:38 < Wombert> is "skilled"
16:38 < Wombert> and "as good as a pro just cheaper"
16:38 < Wombert> I've seen a lot of web agencies etc where the boss tells the designer to program something
16:38 < Wombert> and then the programmer gets on my nerves all day asking me questions
16:39 < eremit> dont answer the questions ...
16:39 < Wombert> and I tell him to hire me or hire someone else or learn programming properly
16:39 < v-dogg> haha, a customer just lost salary data for the last 6 months because a "skilled" friend fucked things up :)
16:39 < Wombert> yeah I put him on ignore
16:39 < Wombert> he asked me how much we charge per hour
16:39 < Wombert> he said he can't pay much
16:39 < Wombert> I said, okay, how about 60 euros for creating html +css, properly
16:39 < Wombert> (no "development")
16:39 < epaulin> so we relly need that law, :-)
16:39 < Wombert> he said he wouldn't even pay 20 euros
16:40 < Wombert> ...
16:40 < Wombert> I mean WTF
16:40 < Wombert> v-dogg: LOL
16:40 < eremit> lool ... all that i know of from the job i originally came from before restarting my development carreer ...
16:40 < Wombert> you know
16:40 < Wombert> these "creative" assholes
16:41 < Wombert> with the thick black framed glasses
16:41 < Wombert> it's not that they just don't hire programmers
16:41 < v-dogg> they had installed our salary software twice, took backups from one but still used the other
16:41 < Wombert> they also don't wanna pay any money
16:41 < Wombert> AND
16:41 < Wombert> they prefer interns
16:41 < Wombert> don't pay them
16:41 < Wombert> let them work 10 hour days
16:41 < Wombert> ...
16:41 < Wombert> fucked up world, I swear
16:41 < v-dogg> and now they had restored a backup from the empty db into the real db
16:41 < Wombert> AHAHAHA
16:41 < v-dogg> "ups"
16:42 < eremit> Wombi, calm down .. and face it as it is ... mankind if f. stupid ...
16:42 < digitarald> checked out ... Breaking changes ... i love them
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16:43 < Wombert> digitarald: xD
16:43 < v-dogg> and we offer a free support (phone and remote control), all they had to do is call and ask before letting some boy next door to have a try :)
16:43 < digitarald> u call that production stable ... thought that means no-breaking-changes ;)
16:43 < Wombert> it's just minor breaks usually
16:44 < eremit> v-dogg ... i hope your contracts have huge fees in this case ^^
16:44 < Wombert> btw we'll change validation xml syntax... sorry about that guys
16:44 < Wombert> but it has to be done
16:44 < Wombert> the current approach is too fucked up
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16:44 < v-dogg> go go go
16:45 < digitarald> just do it ... i'll cry later
16:45 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1099
16:45 < digitarald> changing a whole apps validation could be fun after my holidays ;)
16:45 < Wombert> everyone noticed that?
16:45 < Wombert> method="write" now SETS that method
16:45 < Wombert> important for XMLRPC for instance, or RESTful stuff
16:46 < Wombert> use "constraint" now to limit the route to one or more request methods
16:46 < Wombert> we're open to suggestions regarding better names for that
16:46 < Wombert> we initially wanted to split routes
16:47 < Wombert> <route name="fubar" pattern="^/fubar" stop="false">
16:47 < Wombert> <set action="blah" module="blah" method="asd" output_type="asdsd" />
16:47 < Wombert> </route>
16:47 < Wombert> but I guess you guys had probably killed us for that
16:47 < Wombert> and set_method sucks because it would have to be set_module etc then and that is uncool
16:48 < Wombert> anyway, will add a REST request implementation later
16:48 < Wombert> or maybe just extend the normal web request
16:48 < Wombert> this is gonna be _awesome_
16:48 < Wombert> because we then support HTTP PUT and HTTP DELETE
16:49 < Wombert> that would be four request methods then by default... "read", "write", "create" and "remove"
16:49 < Wombert> AND
16:49 < Wombert> I thought about changing the default names (NO BREAKING CHANGE!)
16:49 < Wombert> to "create" (PUT), "retrieve" (GET), "update" (POST) and "delete" (DELETE)
16:49 < Wombert> "CRUD"
16:49 < Wombert> opinions on that?
16:50 < Wombert> you'd have executeRetrieve() then
16:50 < Wombert> executeUpdate()
16:50 < Wombert> this is, actually, pretty cool because
16:50 < Wombert> an image upload
16:50 < Wombert> would have executeCreate()
16:50 < Wombert> but for the web, it's run on POST (form submit)
16:51 < Wombert> so you'd use the routing to set the request method to "create" for that action
16:52 < digitarald> Wombert ... can u do that with prototype: http://wiki.mootools.net/demos/physics ;)
16:53 < eremit> lol ^^ no but with flash and some as2 :P
16:53 < digitarald> ... yes :D
16:53 < digitarald> but who wants flash ;)
16:53 < eremit> most of my media profs :P
16:53 < Wombert> how is that prototype specific :p
16:54 < eremit> they liiiiiiiiiike flash ... and they really thing as2 is the best coding language in the world Oo
16:54 < digitarald> ... thats it ... its mootools ;) ...
16:54 < digitarald> flash is cool ... sometimes uncool ... sometimes really cool
16:54 < digitarald> i like comics in flash, thats what its made for ;)
16:55 < eremit> ^^ Broken Saints ?
16:55 < Wombert> flash is really very advanced these days
16:55 < Wombert> great technology
16:55 < Wombert> and action script is pretty cool, too
16:55 < eremit> but as2 is *cries* ... somehow strange
16:57 < Wombert> it's javascript :p
16:57 < eremit> javascript is strange too sometimes ...
16:58 < digitarald> flash is on more browsers that javascript (activated) ... thats the strange thing
16:58 < Wombert> I seriously don't give a SHIT about morons who disable that kind of stuff
16:58 < Wombert> flash... maybe
16:58 < Wombert> javascript... uuuah, get a proper popup blocker
16:58 < Wombert> there are people that block cookies
16:58 < Wombert> ...
16:58 < Wombert> wtf
16:59 < eremit> the main problem is many huge companies have javascript and cookies blocked ...
16:59 < eremit> because of the javascript and cookies are more evil than bush times ...
16:59 < eremit> :P
17:00 < Wombert> ...
17:00 < Wombert> it's still that old (and wrong) story
17:00 < Wombert> from back in 1997
17:00 < Wombert> published in some magazine
17:00 < Wombert> that said cookies allow everyone to read your data
17:00 < Wombert> so one clueless moron essentially messed up the entire web of today
17:00 < Wombert> great
17:00 < Wombert> and then you tell people "switch on your cookies"
17:00 < eremit> yep
17:00 < Wombert> "no, microsoft can track me on the internet then"
17:00 < Wombert> "nobody gets personal details"
17:01 < Wombert> "but they know which sites I visit"
17:01 < eremit> or even better ... i have ie here, and the admin disabled the cookie activation :PP
17:01 < digitarald> i am more afraid that google can track me :D
17:01 < Wombert> "no, 'they' don't, and P3P blocks cookies from third party sites, such as ads, unless they have a signature"
17:01 < eremit> digi, simple it is ... turn off cookies *hrhr*
17:01 < Wombert> it's like the assholes that use ad blockers in the browser
17:01 < Wombert> I'd love to punch them in the fact
17:01 < Wombert> face
17:01 < Wombert> how can you be so stupid
17:02 < Wombert> the articles they're reading on the various sites are there BECAUSE of the ads
17:02 < Wombert> but that's the typical attitude of our world today, and germany in particular
17:02 < Wombert> everyone loves "geiz ist geil", and then they're surprised when they lose their jobs...
17:02 < digitarald> will agavi.org will have google ads?
17:02 < Wombert> anyway, I'll grab a coffee
17:02 < eremit> ^^ got it ... and now ask why i'm currently learning swedish and norwegian :P
17:02 < Wombert> digitarald: nah I don't think that's necessary
17:03 < Wombert> svenska, eh
17:03 < Wombert> xD
17:03 < eremit> XD
17:03 < digitarald> yo tambien ... necesito un cfe con leche, corto
17:03 < eremit> if s.b. things it should be necessary to have google ads, pls pls call for some support first :P
17:04 < digitarald> and ask me why i left germany to spain ;)
17:05 < eremit> ^^
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17:21 < Wombert> mmma 23 deg
17:21 < Wombert> sun shining
17:21 < Wombert> awesome
17:26 < eremit> wombert ...
17:26 < eremit> wtf is the undefined call ff does after a request to agavi ?
17:26 < Wombert> eremit: aaaah weren't you in one of these lame states
17:26 < Wombert> no sun for you
17:26 < Wombert> bad luck
17:26 < Wombert> move to bavaria
17:26 < Wombert> :>>>>
17:26 < Wombert> anyway... what are you talking about? oO
17:31 < eremit> and wombert, even we currently have sun and 20-21 deg
17:34 < Wombert> LOL
17:34 < Wombert> awesome
17:34 < Wombert> nicolas cage
17:34 < Wombert> his uncle is francis ford coppola
17:35 < Wombert> so his children... he gave them the name Coppola-Cage
17:35 < Wombert> pretty cool BUT
17:35 < Wombert> here's the bst thing
17:35 < Wombert> his second son...
17:35 < Wombert> was given the name...
17:35 < Wombert> Kal-El
17:35 < Wombert> AWESOME
17:44 < eremit> yay ...
17:44 * eremit dances ...
17:46 < Wombert> ?
17:46 < eremit> these stupid marketing morrons ... :/
17:47 < eremit> hrhr ... they changed the milestones because they cannot read and put our release on today instead of tomorrow
17:47 < eremit> so just did the work planned for tonight within some minutes :) and it worked ...
17:48 < eremit> tyvm agavi :D ...
18:10 < Wombert> :)
18:59 < CIA-11> dominik * r1101 /trunk/src/routing/AgaviRouting.class.php: incoming parameters shall override default values
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19:39 < epaulin> how to catch a E_RECOVERABLE_ERROR exception or how do i get the object #id?
19:40 < Wombert> propek?
19:40 < Wombert> propel
19:40 < epaulin> no, symfony
19:41 < Wombert> what object id?
19:41 < epaulin> <5.2 (string)new stdClass == Object id #1
19:41 < epaulin> 5.2> (string)new stdClass == E_RECOVERABLE_ERROR
19:41 < Wombert> aaah
19:41 < Wombert> good question
19:41 < Wombert> I read something about that the other day
19:42 < epaulin> then sfI18N broken
19:42 < Wombert> hah :)
19:42 < Wombert> let me find a solution for you
19:42 < epaulin> en, blame Zend, stop doing this shit
19:42 < Wombert> hmm
19:43 < Wombert> I guess you could use reflection
19:43 < epaulin> I can do __toString in sfI18N. but i want to catch it
19:43 < Wombert> yeah you're supposed to have a __toString method
19:43 < epaulin> yeah, i think so. but can't catch it use catch(Exception $e)
19:43 < Wombert> yeah... stupid php :)
19:43 < Wombert> well actually, you could
19:43 < Wombert> write an error handler
19:43 < Wombert> that throws exceptions
19:43 < Wombert> but that's hack
19:43 < Wombert> y
19:44 < epaulin> en, so maybe __toSting is just fine
19:44 < Wombert> agavi does that where necessary (for instance when parsing XML documents)
19:53 < epaulin> if (method_exists($value, '__toSting')) {
19:53 < epaulin> $value = (string) $value;
19:53 < epaulin> } else {
19:53 < epaulin> $ref = new ReflectionObject($value);
19:53 < epaulin> $value = $ref->getName();
19:53 < epaulin> }
19:53 < epaulin> this works
19:53 < Wombert> ;)
19:53 < Wombert> luckily, we don't need that kind of hacks, agavi works just fine on 5.2 ;)
19:56 < epaulin> :-), i start this proj before agavi 0.11 stable, and if agavi have scaffoldding, i will definitely use agavi;
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22:06 < CIA-11> dominik * r1102 /trunk/src/translation/ (2 files): bugfix for the formatters
22:07 < CIA-11> dominik * r1103 /trunk/src/translation/AgaviTranslationManager.class.php: fix for recursive equality check on the translationmanager
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22:22 < CIA-11> dominik * r1104 /trunk/src/translation/AgaviCurrencyFormatter.class.php: another bugfix
22:24 < CIA-11> dominik * r1105 /trunk/src/translation/AgaviGettextTranslator.class.php: don't try to load unreadable files
22:34 < Wombert> guys
22:34 < Wombert> I'm adding proper translation to the sample app
22:34 < Wombert> and I have to say
22:35 < Wombert> it's very, very impressive in terms of functionality
22:35 < Wombert> dominik did an incredible job there
22:36 < Wombert> I'll checkin the sample app soon, so you can see for yourselves
22:36 < CIA-11> david * r1106 /trunk/src/translation/ (6 files): translation fixes and improvements, _*() methods now accept a locale string, too
22:36 < Wombert> words just cannot describe it
22:40 < Wombert> <route pattern="^/(language:(de|en))" stop="false" imply="true" cut="true" locale="${language}@currency=GBP">
22:40 < Wombert> this is just
22:40 < Wombert> WAY
22:40 < Wombert> too sexy
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22:47 < Wombert> impl:
22:48 < impl> Heya
22:48 < Wombert> <route pattern="^/(language:(de|en))" stop="false" imply="true" cut="true" locale="${language}@currency=GBP">
22:48 < Wombert> cool?
22:48 < Wombert> :>
22:48 < Wombert> you'll see what it's all about in a minute or so
22:48 < Wombert> the i18n is just fantastic
22:48 < Wombert> I'm localizing the sample app right now
22:56 < impl> Is ${language} the same way you reference paramters anywhere?
22:56 < impl> parameters*
22:56 < Wombert> dominik is working on that right now
22:56 < Wombert> it will be possible for others
22:56 < Wombert> example
22:57 < Wombert> <route pattern="^(module:\w+)" module="$module" />
22:57 < Wombert> of course, that would be nonsense
22:57 < Wombert> USUALLY
22:57 < Wombert> but if you ever change the module accessor parameter name from "module" to something else...
22:57 < Wombert> the above still works
22:57 < impl> :s
22:58 < Wombert> it usually should only be necessary for the locale anyway
22:58 < Wombert> _maybe_ for the output type
22:58 < Wombert> example
22:58 < impl> I'm trying to remember where else parameters are referenced
22:58 < Wombert> let's say you want to catch all leading URL chunks that indicate different output formats
22:59 < Wombert> <route name="yay" pattern="^/(ot:(rss|pdf|json)" cut="true" imply="true" stop="false" output_type="$ot" />
23:00 < Wombert> <route name="yay" pattern="^/(ot:(rss|pdf|json)" cut="true" imply="true" stop="false" output_type="${ot}withasuffix" />
23:00 < Wombert> :)
23:00 < Wombert> but that would mean you have to supply the "ot" parameter in addition to the "yay" route name when generating
23:00 < Wombert> e.g. $r->gen('listproducts+yay', array('ot' => 'rss'));
23:01 < Wombert> kinda stupid
23:01 < Wombert> <route name="rss" pattern="^/rss" cut="true" stop="false" output_type="rss" />
23:01 < Wombert> $r->gen('listproducts+rss');
23:02 < impl> Interesting
23:03 < Wombert> <route pattern="^/(language:[a-z]{2})" stop="false" imply="true" cut="true" locale="$language" callback="LanguageCheckCallback" />
23:03 < Wombert> the callback would check if the given language is registered in the database
23:04 < Wombert> of course, you could then also set the locale from within that callback
23:04 < Wombert> which you have to do anyway if you want to set a default value in case the route didn't match or so
23:04 < Wombert> or read the langauge from the last visit from a cookie if none was given in the URL
23:04 < Wombert> which I'm about to do with the sample app here
23:05 < CIA-11> dominik * r1107 /trunk/src/routing/AgaviRouting.class.php:
23:05 < CIA-11> support dynamic variables in action,method,module,locale,output_type attribute of a route
23:05 < CIA-11> this means you can use either locale="$varFromPattern" to let locale be the
23:05 < CIA-11> (varFromPatter:...) from the locale or if you want to mix variables with normal
23:05 < CIA-11> text you can use locale="text ${variable} more text ${another_var}"
23:06 * Wombert <3 dominik
23:07 < impl> That's kinda ugly
23:08 < impl> I think it should just be ${blah} in all case
23:08 < impl> s
23:08 < impl> would probably be easier to parse too
23:08 < Wombert> hm
23:35 < CIA-11> dominik * r1108 /trunk/src/util/AgaviDecimalFormatter.class.php: fix the decimal formatter to understand the #.##;-#.## format too
23:45 < digitarald> you can use several routings in one url with + ?
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00:45 < Wombert> digitarald: sure
00:45 < Wombert> digitarald: that's for non-stopping routes though
00:45 < Wombert> such as /rss at the end etc
00:58 < Wombert> HAHA
00:58 < Wombert> impl: you there?
00:58 < Wombert> you'll love this
00:58 < Wombert> haha
00:58 < Wombert> :>
00:58 < Wombert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdiOR3oybm0
00:58 < Wombert> only the confed flag is missing
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08:15 < v-dogg> huomenta
08:16 < ttj> Huomen.
09:18 < splatch`> hello
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09:56 < raidman> morn'
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10:03 < v-dogg> morning David
10:04 < Wombert> hey mate
10:04 < Wombert> 'sup
10:04 < v-dogg> work work :)
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10:47 < v-dogg> Wombert: you there
10:49 < Wombert> yes, v-dogg
10:49 < Wombert> quick
10:50 < Wombert> gotta run :)
10:50 < Wombert> 'sup
10:50 < v-dogg> just wanted to go thru a product search thingy without but it'll take some time and pondering
10:50 < v-dogg> so go ahead, I'll talk to you later :)
10:51 < v-dogg> s/without/with you :D
10:51 < v-dogg> BrainOverflowException
10:51 < Wombert> okay
10:51 < Wombert> :)
10:51 < Wombert> heh
10:51 < Wombert> be back in 2 or 3 hrs
10:51 < Wombert> see ya then
10:51 < v-dogg> righty then
10:57 < Wombert> Macca`: http://www.sowherethebloodyhellareyou.com/
10:57 < Wombert> and for everyone else, too, of course ;)
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14:55 < v-dogg> I need someone to hold my hand... I'm about to svn update... and I'm a bit scrared ;)
14:55 < v-dogg> -r
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14:59 * Wombert holds v-dogg's hand
14:59 < epaulin> update from agavi-svn?
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15:01 < v-dogg> epaulin: yeah
15:04 < epaulin> v-dogg, :-) , 0.10=>0.11? I'm curious, cause i have a huge proj relay on agavi 0.10 still wait to upgrade
15:05 < v-dogg> no no, a couple of weeks old 0.11-DEV
15:07 < epaulin> eh, got you
15:10 < v-dogg> so.. what has changed?
15:10 < v-dogg> at least fpf's manual population, right?
15:10 < Wombert> what's your revision
15:11 < v-dogg> don't know. I forgot to mark it down last time
15:19 < Wombert> grep the highest revision number
15:20 < eremit> svn info ?
15:20 < eremit> hi all
15:21 < eremit> Wombert: are you aware about any cookie problems with the basicsecurityuser in conjunction with sessionstorage and ie6.0 ?
15:21 < eremit> i currently have a really strange behauviour ...
15:22 < Wombert> if any, then it's a PHP problem
15:22 < Wombert> maybe some P3P stuff or whatever
15:23 < eremit> hmm
15:24 < v-dogg> eremit: I have agavi in my own svn repo
15:24 < eremit> v-dogg that's bad ^^ :)
15:24 < v-dogg> makes version control easier :)
15:24 < eremit> that's why i have an installer in the svn repo which does the agavi checkout for me ;)
15:25 < eremit> so it's for me svn co http://path/to/repos && make install
15:25 < eremit> (yes blame me for using make ;) )
15:27 < Wombert> I use svn externals
15:27 < Wombert> has the downside that I really get the latest version no matter what (if I use trunk)
15:27 < eremit> jep ... that's why i'm using a makefile for checking out and installing third party deps ...
15:27 < eremit> like creole/trunk -r26 etc
15:28 < Wombert> well...
15:28 < Wombert> usually, you can use tags on the remote repos
15:28 < eremit> if you trust the svn repo maintainers enough they're not breaking anything ;) l
15:29 < Wombert> ...
15:29 < Wombert> a tag doesn't change
15:29 < eremit> shouldn't change
15:29 < eremit> !!
15:29 < Wombert> that's the whole point of tags :p
15:30 < Wombert> and
15:30 < Wombert> the purpose of svn externals IS that you can stay up to date with an external repos
15:30 < Wombert> if I want a stable version, I can just as well put it into mine
15:30 < Wombert> but if I need to have the latest agavi... svn externals is the best way
15:31 < v-dogg> I like to have my whole project in my repo
15:31 < eremit> yes ... and if you need to freeze agavi at a specified point for some reason you're lost with svn external
15:31 < v-dogg> just have to remember to commit agavi updates with the revision information from now on :)
15:32 < eremit> v-dogg: this can get really huge in some cases ... Oo ... if i would have all 3rd party thinggies i use in the repos it would be about three times as huge as it's currently
15:32 < v-dogg> yeah. I might split them into a repo of their own someday
15:36 < Wombert> I find it pretty annoying that you have to check if you gotta delete any files or so
15:36 < Wombert> that's why I use externals
15:36 < Wombert> v-dogg: did you find the revision number yet
15:36 < Wombert> or how about looking at the date of your last commit
15:41 < v-dogg> no I didn't find it
15:43 < v-dogg> #1039
15:44 < v-dogg> it has been awhile, I see :)
15:44 < Wombert> you mean changeset:1039 is what you have?
15:44 < v-dogg> yep
15:45 < Wombert> MY DESKTOP!
15:45 < Wombert> IS CLEAN!
15:45 < Wombert> NOT A SINGLE FILE THER!
15:45 < Wombert> :>>>>
15:45 < Wombert> nice
15:45 < Wombert> now let's have a look
15:46 < Wombert> what you need to change
15:47 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1054
15:47 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1055
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15:47 < Wombert> maybe http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1059
15:48 < Wombert> this might be useful: http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1075
15:49 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1093
15:49 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1095
15:49 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1099
15:49 < Wombert> the rest is just bugfixes and i18n stuff
15:50 < v-dogg> why do you and dominik have to be so productive
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15:51 < Wombert> to be honest
15:51 < Wombert> I'm a very unproductive
15:51 < Wombert> inefficiently working
15:51 < Wombert> and utterly procrastinating person
15:55 < Wombert> something's wrong with my internet connection
15:55 < Wombert> everything is so slow today
15:57 < v-dogg> hey, I wanted to talk about my product/customer/what-not searches
15:58 < Wombert> right
15:58 < Wombert> allow me to reboot my computer
15:58 < Wombert> and re-sync the DSL line
15:58 < v-dogg> I thought about doing it like this: SearchAction::executeRead shows the search form, ::executeWrite prepares the search (get's the total count) and then redirects to SearchResultAction
15:59 < v-dogg> sure, go ahead
15:59 < v-dogg> SearchResult handles paging of the result set
16:01 < Wombert> brb
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16:14 < Wombert> re
16:18 < Wombert> btw I emailed bob regarding a server migration
16:18 < Wombert> haven't heard back from him yet though :(
16:20 < eremit> ah ... i've found my session problem ...
16:20 < eremit> http://de3.php.net/manual/de/function.setcookie.php#28681
16:21 < eremit> can't you do any server migration without bob ?
16:21 < eremit> or is he the domain owner?
16:22 < eremit> ah ok ... he's the owner
16:23 < Wombert> I hope he'll CC the domain to me
16:23 < eremit> ^^
16:24 < eremit> as i said yesterday, if you need any help, infrastructure, webspace, traffic etc ... just ask ...
16:28 < Wombert> oh
16:28 < Wombert> did you?
16:28 < Wombert> thanks :)
16:28 < Wombert> right now, we don't need anything
16:29 < eremit> :) .. np
16:30 < Wombert> http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/new-arrivals/usb-hamster-wheel/index.html#top
16:31 < eremit> rofl ... but the armaggedon usb hub is even better ^^
16:39 < v-dogg> hmm.. according to wombies list there ^ I only have to modify one "stopping" and a few fpf populations
16:39 < v-dogg> too easy, must be missing something here :)
16:44 < Wombert> nah, that's true
16:44 < Wombert> we'll change the validator syntax a bit tho
16:44 < Wombert> dunno when dominik is done with that
16:44 < Wombert> you can now also skip re-population of fields
16:44 < Wombert> and control everything at runtime, not only via the configuration
16:44 < Wombert> e.g. you would skip a CAPTCHA field or so
16:45 < Wombert> and it now handles foo[bar][][1] fields etc etc
16:45 < Wombert> can also skip these, too, of course
16:48 < v-dogg> did you get a change to read my search question earlier?
16:48 < Wombert> yeah been waitin for you to get back to that actually ;)
16:50 < v-dogg> so I want to store total count of the result set and the search attributes into agavistorage
16:50 < v-dogg> and then redirect to SearchResultAction that paginates the result set
16:51 < v-dogg> this allows me to store the search for re-use
16:51 < Wombert> yeah
16:51 < Wombert> that works
16:51 < Wombert> we do that too on a site we built for a customer
16:52 < v-dogg> and allows the user to click a product link and then use back button without any "the page contains POST data blaa blaa blaa" warnings
16:53 < Wombert> yep
16:53 < Wombert> you can do much cooler stuff with that even
16:53 < Wombert> I recommend you write the search results to a database
16:53 < Wombert> so you have a table "search" and a table "search_result"
16:53 < Wombert> you then have an ID
16:54 < Wombert> you can display the list of earlier searches to the user
16:54 < Wombert> and
16:54 < v-dogg> search result can have 100k rows, I don't want to store it :)
16:54 < Wombert> you can store the criteria for the search, too, thus avoiding to search again
16:54 < Wombert> hmm
16:54 < Wombert> then limit it ;)
16:55 < v-dogg> it's limited / paginated to 20 rows per page
16:56 < v-dogg> but storing searches doesn't give much real benefits to the user
16:56 < v-dogg> so I'll just store the last query
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17:58 < splatch`> oi!
18:15 < splatch`> Is anyone here?
18:21 < epaulin> yeah, :-)
18:23 < splatch`> epaulin: you created any project on Agavi 0.11?
18:25 < epaulin> not yet, :-(, did have much time to upgrade old proj
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19:02 < v-dogg> evening
19:07 < splatch`> morning ;)
19:07 < v-dogg> no it isn't, you have it all wrong now :)
19:08 < Wombert> hi
19:08 < Wombert> :>
19:08 < Wombert> hi splatch`
19:08 < Wombert> how are you
19:08 < splatch`> v-dogg: i know
19:08 < splatch`> hello Wombert, I'm fine, are you?
19:08 < v-dogg> dinner ->
19:09 < Wombert> yeah I'm fine too
19:09 < splatch`> v-dogg: that was "joke" ;)
19:09 < Wombert> will checkin i18n for the sample app soon
19:09 < splatch`> Wombert: today i'll start my shop application :)
19:09 < Wombert> :)
19:09 < Wombert> any news regarding design/logo
19:09 < splatch`> it will based on Agavi 0.1
19:09 < splatch`> 1
19:10 < Wombert> I noticed that in the mockup I created
19:10 < Wombert> the colors are different
19:10 < Wombert> the orange is brighter etc
19:10 < Wombert> that was by accident
19:10 < splatch`> Wombert: hm.. no, but kazek are live
19:10 < Wombert> kazek's original colors were perfect
19:10 < Wombert> just in case you were wondering why I changed them or so
19:10 < splatch`> i'll ask him about progress after
19:10 < Wombert> that must have happened during the png export
19:10 < Wombert> thanks
19:11 < splatch`> Wombert: kazek've errand/order
19:11 < Wombert> ?
19:11 < splatch`> after work, work :)
19:11 < splatch`> Wombert: freelance
19:12 < splatch`> on monday he fixed other project
19:12 < Wombert> uuh
19:12 < Wombert> okay
19:12 < Wombert> :>
19:13 < splatch`> Wombert: you got that? :)
19:13 < Wombert> I think so
19:13 < Wombert> he has a job
19:13 < Wombert> and he is freelancing
19:13 < splatch`> yes..
19:13 < Wombert> so he has more work after his day job is over
19:13 < Wombert> and he got a new project on monday
19:13 < Wombert> right?
19:13 < Wombert> :>
19:13 < splatch`> almost :)
19:13 < Wombert> he has a project due monday?
19:14 < Wombert> due = has to be finished by then
19:14 < splatch`> on monday he finish project
19:14 < Wombert> ah
19:14 < Wombert> he'll finish the agavi stuff on monday?
19:14 < splatch`> :)
19:14 * Wombert scratches his head
19:14 < splatch`> i don't think so
19:14 < Wombert> hehe
19:14 < Wombert> :)
19:14 < Wombert> so he has another project and it has to be finished until next monday?
19:15 < Wombert> and he might have time after that
19:15 < Wombert> correct?
19:15 < splatch`> assurance yes
19:15 < splatch`> sureley yes :)
19:15 < splatch`> *surely
19:16 < Wombert> <:
19:16 < splatch`> hmm
19:17 < splatch`> Wombert: from monday kazek's have free time (i think so) :]
19:17 < Wombert> splatch`: okay
19:17 < Wombert> splatch`: no rush
19:17 < Wombert> if he has time to work on it, great
19:17 < splatch`> :]
19:17 < Wombert> if not, no problem, we can wait
19:17 < splatch`> maybe you - yes, but we, no! ;))))
19:18 < Wombert> it just would be good if we could launch a new site before november 6 ;)
19:18 < splatch`> ok, Wombert are Agavi 0.11 is stable?
19:18 < Wombert> it is, yes, we're only doing some final modifications
19:18 < splatch`> Wombert: agavi 0.11 will be released on 6.11?
19:18 < Wombert> the i18n isn't quite there yet, but almost (only date stuff not working)
19:19 < Wombert> splatch`: I hope so yes
19:19 < splatch`> Wombert: Is that you plan?
19:19 < Wombert> the International PHP Conference is from Nov 7 to Nov 8 and I'll be there and want to do some PR for agavi
19:19 < Wombert> show it around etc
19:19 < splatch`> pr?
19:19 < Wombert> but I can't do that without a website, basic documentation and a proper release
19:19 < Wombert> publicity
19:19 < splatch`> ach!
19:19 < Wombert> you know
19:20 < Wombert> advertise agavi etc
19:20 < Wombert> tell people about it
19:20 < splatch`> marketing :)
19:20 < Wombert> yes
19:21 < splatch`> ok, i'll back later with some news about design
19:21 < Wombert> as I said
19:21 < Wombert> it's not urgent (yet)
19:21 < Wombert> let him finish his stuff first
19:21 < Wombert> that's more important for him!
19:22 < splatch`> yes
19:22 < splatch`> bye
19:22 < Wombert> see ya
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22:12 < splatch`> Wombert: i've got info
22:19 < Wombert> hey splatch`
22:19 < Wombert> what's up
22:21 < splatch`> Wombert: kazek going to made some fixes tomorrow
22:23 < Wombert> splatch`: cool
22:23 < Wombert> but please tell him
22:23 < Wombert> only if he really has time!
22:23 < Wombert> his work is more important
22:23 < Wombert> he must finish his projects first
22:23 < Wombert> and then he can work on agavi design and logo :)
22:24 < splatch`> that's he proposal :)
22:24 < splatch`> not my
22:26 < Wombert> say hello and many thanks to him again
22:28 < splatch`> Wombert: kazek also says hello to you :)
22:28 < splatch`> they tokt "you're wporzo koles"
22:30 < splatch`> wporzo koles = good dude
22:30 < splatch`> ok, bye everyone!
22:32 < splatch`> hm
22:32 < splatch`> one question
22:33 < splatch`> Wombert: agavi has support for autoload and propel classes?
22:33 < splatch`> for example, i've Users/Orders/Products classes
22:33 < Wombert> :)
22:33 < splatch`> and i don
22:33 < Wombert> splatch`: yes, actually, we "invented" propel autoloading ;)
22:33 < Wombert> all you have to do is
22:33 < Wombert> a) edit databases.xml (look at the default one for new projects) so it points to your project-conf.php
22:34 < splatch`> done.
22:34 < Wombert> b) add YourProduct and YourProductPeer classes to autoload.xml
22:34 < splatch`> blah :)
22:34 < Wombert> any maybe also Criteria
22:34 < splatch`> i've 20 peers! :)
22:34 < Wombert> autoloading uses include path, you can just specify propel/util/Criteria.php
22:34 < Wombert> you can then just do YourProductPeer::doSelect() etc
22:35 < Wombert> and agavi will automatically include propel
22:35 < Wombert> call init()
22:35 < Wombert> and set everyting up
22:35 < Wombert> propel 1.3 will have native autoloading
22:35 < Wombert> I added that to SVN a couple of days ago
22:35 < Wombert> 1.3 is very unstable, don't use it yet
22:35 < v-dogg> 20 peers? HAH! I have 120!! :)
22:35 < Wombert> xD
22:35 < Wombert> we'll adapt to 1.3
22:35 < v-dogg> well, maybe not 120 but more than 20 anyways ;)
22:35 < Wombert> the problem is
22:36 < Wombert> 1.3 has it's own autoloadin
22:36 < Wombert> g
22:36 < splatch`> v-dogg: that's small shop :)
22:36 < Wombert> but
22:36 < v-dogg> why is that a problem?
22:36 < Wombert> it's only available after a Propel::init('runtime-conf.php');
22:36 < Wombert> so to use it
22:36 < Wombert> you'd have to load and init propel
22:36 < Wombert> that's overhead
22:36 < Wombert> agavi will then use the runtime config
22:36 < Wombert> and load the autoload list from there
22:37 < Wombert> so you have the old, everything-JIT approach
22:37 < splatch`> v-dogg: all autoloads are *Peer,orm/ *.php etc
22:38 < Wombert> no need to autoload om/* and map/*
22:38 < splatch`> Can i do this?
22:40 < Wombert> ?
22:40 < Wombert> it's not necessary
22:40 < v-dogg> just MyTable and MyTablePeer into autoload.xml
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22:40 < v-dogg> and it's not that big of a job
22:40 < splatch`> v-dogg: 20 times? :)
22:40 < v-dogg> yes
22:40 < splatch`> 120 times?
22:40 < v-dogg> just add them as you come across them
22:41 < v-dogg> or write a script :)
22:41 < splatch`> :)
22:42 < v-dogg> find lib/propel -name *Peer.php | xargs -i$ echo something$foo > myautoload.xml
22:43 < splatch`> v-dogg: regexp + eclipse
22:43 < splatch`> or, xinclude! :)
22:44 < Wombert> xinclude works
22:44 < Wombert> agavi supports xinclude in all configuration files
22:44 < splatch`> yes, i'll use it
22:44 < v-dogg> but you'll have to first generate something to xinclude :)
22:44 < splatch`> v-dogg: that's not problem :)
22:44 < v-dogg> for example, with find + xargs ;)
22:45 < v-dogg> splatch`: so what is? you just bitched about having to have all propel classes in autoload.xml?-)
22:45 < splatch`> v-dogg: for example dir /W
22:46 < splatch`> v-dogg: when i've other classes that's problem
22:46 < splatch`> v-dogg: script can broke my autoload.xml
22:46 < v-dogg> ok..
22:47 < v-dogg> off to bed. night
22:47 < Wombert> nn
22:48 < raidman> v-dogg, night
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22:48 < Wombert> Kubicek!
22:48 < Wombert> maaan
22:48 < Wombert> you're alive?
22:48 < Kubicek> hi :)
22:49 < Wombert> glad to have you back
22:49 < Wombert> splatch`is from poland, too
22:49 < Wombert> err no wait
22:49 < Kubicek> i'm from czech, but it's not far ;)
22:49 < Wombert> you were from czech, right?
22:49 < Wombert> heh :)
22:49 < Wombert> sorry ;)
22:49 < splatch`> Kubicek: zloty bazant? :)
22:49 < Kubicek> golden field bird ? :)
22:49 < Wombert> you using 0.11, Kubicek ?
22:50 < Kubicek> Wombert: i haven't updated my agavi for along time, because i'm almost ready with rewriting to ruby on rails :)
22:50 < splatch`> Kubicek: Wombert going to spend some cash and time in poland with friends, me and beer
22:51 < splatch`> :)
22:51 < impl> Rails? :|
22:51 < splatch`> bye!
22:52 < raidman> splatch`, bye :)
22:52 < Wombert> :>
22:52 < Kubicek> impl: yes, i'm using rails for almost a year
22:52 < Wombert> Kubicek: oh don't do that :(
22:52 < Wombert> agavi is so much better
22:52 < Wombert> our routing is better (I promise)
22:52 < Wombert> and
22:52 < Wombert> other stuff, too
22:52 < Wombert> in agavi, you now write one action
22:52 < Wombert> one view
22:52 < Wombert> and then
22:53 < Wombert> you can make it available via the web
22:53 < Wombert> or as xmlrpc
22:53 < Wombert> or on the console
22:53 < Wombert> or whatever you like
22:54 < Kubicek> Wombert: i know. i had to finish the project, but i'm still looking on agavi :)
22:54 < raidman> yeah agavi really rocksssssssssss
22:55 < splatch`> no more f***in view-helpers!
22:57 < raidman> good night guys
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23:00 < CIA-11> david * r1109 /trunk/docs/docbook/cookbook.xml: added Propel Integration documentation
23:01 < Wombert> Kubicek: you still there?
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23:02 < Kubicek> yes :)
23:02 < Wombert> meet AgaviBot :)
23:02 < Wombert> !seen nobody
23:02 < splatch`> hello AgaviBot! :)
23:02 < AgaviBot> Wombert: I'm sorry, but nobody never spoke a single word here.
23:02 < Wombert> !seen horros
23:02 < AgaviBot> Wombert: horros was last seen on Mon Sep 11 16:02:23 2006 saying "Zend is full of idiots." (joined Sat Aug 19 12:18:03 2006)
23:03 < Kubicek> wow :)
23:03 < Wombert> !info
23:03 < AgaviBot> Wombert: I'm AgaviBot version 0.3, powered by Agavi :) My IRC Bot components and the Web Interface to the Logs share quite some code, thanks to Agavi's flexibility and clean structure!
23:03 < Wombert> the bot has routing rules for the "irc" context
23:03 < splatch`> !seen splatch
23:03 < AgaviBot> splatch`: splatch was last seen on Mon Aug 28 17:27:53 2006 saying "bbl"
23:03 < splatch`> Wombert: wow :)
23:03 < Kubicek> it looks great
23:03 < splatch`> Wombert: cool stuff!
23:03 < Wombert> ;)
23:03 < Wombert> !info
23:03 < AgaviBot> Wombert: I'm AgaviBot version 0.3, powered by Agavi :) My IRC Bot components and the Web Interface to the Logs share quite some code, thanks to Agavi's flexibility and clean structure!
23:03 < Wombert> !status
23:03 < Wombert> !stats
23:03 < AgaviBot> Wombert: I've been monitoring this channel since Fri Jul 7 10:02:38 2006, and I have recorded 13172 events since then. I'm also logging these 2 other channels: #propel, #prototype
23:03 < Wombert> mmh whatever xD
23:04 < Wombert> the best thing
23:04 < splatch`> !opme
23:04 < splatch`> :)
23:04 < Wombert> it doesn't leak memory :>
23:04 < Wombert> adding that would be a matter of adding one routing rule
23:04 < Wombert> <route pattern="^!opme$" module="Ircbot" action="OpUser" />
23:05 < Wombert> and write OpUser, of course ;)
23:05 < splatch`> Wombert: i've autoload
23:05 < splatch`> and i don't know how add x:include
23:06 < splatch`> now, with xi autoload.xml it's not valid
23:11 < splatch`> Wombert: sorry, my mistake
23:11 < splatch`> works :)
23:12 < Wombert> awesome
23:12 < Wombert> gotta run now
23:12 < Wombert> party time :)
23:12 < Kubicek> have fun
23:13 < Wombert> ty
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03:58 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/timeline :
03:58 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1110 : Changeset [1110]: typo
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04:41 < CIA-11> fix ignored parameters getting appended to the query string in webrouting::gen
04:41 < CIA-11> fix ignored parameters not getting passed to the callback in the routing
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08:29 < v-dogg> huomenta
08:32 < Wombert> morning v-dogg
08:46 < v-dogg> fpf population goes like this now: setAttribute('populate', array('form1_id'=>$paramHolder1, 'form2_id'=>... ) ... )
08:46 < v-dogg> right?
08:46 < Wombert> yes but you don't have to do it this way
08:46 < Wombert> $req->setAttribute('populate', new AgaviParameterHolder(array(...)), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
08:47 < Wombert> will populate the form that belongs to the current action just like in the old days ;)
08:47 < v-dogg> roger
08:47 < v-dogg> how long do you reckon it takes before symfony copies this?-)
08:48 < Wombert> they copied it already
08:48 < Wombert> but poorly
08:48 < v-dogg> haha
08:48 < Wombert> looks like rovert was too stupid to do one of this rip-offs
08:48 < Wombert> so fabien did it but...
08:48 < Wombert> it sucks big time
08:48 < Wombert> doesn't even generate proper XHTML
08:48 < Wombert> only half of the features etc
08:48 < v-dogg> what?
08:48 < Wombert> fabien copied the idea
08:49 < Wombert> not the code (I think)
08:49 < v-dogg> but can they handle multiple forms?
08:49 < Wombert> no
08:49 < v-dogg> that's what I meant
08:49 < Wombert> they don't handle HTML vs XHTML either
08:49 < Wombert> you can't skip fields there IIRC
08:49 < Wombert> they certainly don't support array fields at all
08:49 < Wombert> no control over DOM stuff
08:49 < v-dogg> hihihi
08:49 < Wombert> etc
08:50 < v-dogg> I tried to ask about xml-rpc with symfony on #symfony yesterday but no-one answered
08:51 < eremit> morning ...
08:51 < v-dogg> what database layers they support?
08:51 < eremit> maybe they don't like you anymore v-dogg :P
08:51 < v-dogg> :)
08:51 < Wombert> basically
08:51 < Wombert> you use Propel
08:51 < Wombert> or the framework isn't anywhere close to what it promises to be
08:52 < Wombert> just like you can use their soooo cool form helpers only with PHP templates
08:52 < Wombert> pathetic
08:52 < v-dogg> a guy wanted to use creole and everyone told him to use Propel::getConnection or whatever
08:53 < v-dogg> can't you use CreoleDatabase that mojavi had?
08:54 < epaulin> symfony does have sfCreoleDatabase
08:54 < eremit> Wombert is it possible for me to add an additional term in the license for sources i'm currently thinking about to submit to agavi ?
08:54 < epaulin> i think symfony make everything run first, and agavi make it elegant(from what i understand)
08:55 < Wombert> eremit: huh?
08:55 < Wombert> epaulin: that's true ;) thanks
08:56 < eremit> Wombert, i would like to license it under LGPL but with the additional term: This source may not be used in any form within the symfony project, by it's representatives etc.. blabla :P
08:56 < epaulin> Wombert: :-)
08:56 < v-dogg> eremit :D
08:58 < v-dogg> hey guys, I had an idea yesterday. I haven't thought about its implementation yet but the basic idea was that there should be a way to easily iterate over parameterholder but exclude/include parameters you want
08:59 < v-dogg> foreach($parameters->filter('/form1_.*/') as $name => $value) { .. }
09:00 < eremit> wasn't there a possibility in php to have objects behaving like arrays ?
09:00 < v-dogg> yep
09:00 < v-dogg> ArrayAccess or something
09:00 < v-dogg> from SPL, I think
09:04 < eremit> dunno :) since i started a parallel project in python i start to mix both languages up ...
09:04 < eremit> and start to wonder why certain things don't work in php ...
09:09 < splatch`> hello
09:15 < v-dogg> hmm... it's not in SPL
09:19 < eremit> v-dogg: http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.iterations.php
09:24 < Wombert> ArrayAccess is for $foo[2] on an object
09:24 < Wombert> you need Iterable etc
09:24 < Wombert> v-dogg: what would that be good for?
09:24 < eremit> Wombert, is there any progress regarding tests for actions and views ?
09:26 < v-dogg> Wombert: just what I showed there. for example I want to list every form1_.* parameter into an email, for debuging or something
09:28 < v-dogg> like I said, I haven't thought about this at all. maybe I can do it easily with some php array function
09:30 < Wombert> eremit: nope
09:31 < Wombert> well
09:31 < Wombert> if it's an array
09:31 < Wombert> you can do it already
09:31 < v-dogg> with callback
09:31 < Wombert> $foo = new AgaviParameterHolder(array('foo' => array(1, 2, 3)));
09:31 < Wombert> $foo->getParameter('foo');
09:32 < Wombert> is the 1,2,3 array
09:32 < Wombert> $foo->getParameter('foo[0]');
09:32 < Wombert> is 1
09:32 < Wombert> :)
09:32 < v-dogg> sure, but that's not what I want
09:33 < v-dogg> consider a form with inputs 'order_name', 'order_street', 'order_zip', 'order_city', 'order_phone'
09:34 < v-dogg> now I'd like to dump every order_* field into an email
09:34 < Wombert> order[name] :D
09:34 < eremit> sometimes you cannot change design decisions anymore :P
09:34 < Wombert> heh
09:35 < eremit> but v-dogg, what about implement a getFilteredParameters('regexp') into your parameter class?
09:36 < eremit> btw is it possible to exchange the AgaviParameterHolder without patching agavi? ...
09:36 < eremit> ah ... sorry forget it ...
09:36 < Wombert> not possible, no
09:37 < v-dogg> so I'd have to use $it = new MyFilteringParameterHolderIterator($parameters)
09:37 < Wombert> yes
09:37 < Wombert> unless we decide it's an improvement for everyone and we want to have it in ParameterHolder anyway
09:38 < eremit> i have a proposal :P maybe we should think about adding some kind of mixin support in our mother-of-classes ...
09:38 < v-dogg> we can let this brew for a moment
09:39 < eremit> if mixin is possible in php ... :P would solve v-doggs problem and many other problems about extending exsp. ParameterHolder
09:43 < v-dogg> hey, what about this: http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/ticket/323
09:43 < v-dogg> are these classes used (going to be used) in something else than logging?
09:43 < eremit> afair not ...
09:43 < v-dogg> I don't think so either
09:44 < v-dogg> Wombert?
09:46 < eremit> another solution for your problem v-dogg without the decorator pattern wombert suggested
09:47 < eremit> is to make AgaviParameterHolder inherit a custom class being somewhere in app/
09:47 -!- Kador [n=koen@d54C1EC26.access.telenet.be] has joined #agavi
09:48 < eremit> so users can add custom functions there and it gets inherited through the whole inheritance tree
09:49 < eremit> additionally this would give agavi some bottom-up functionality adding possibilities ...
09:50 * eremit waits for wombert to explode because of this anti-oop ideas :P
09:51 < v-dogg> welcome Kador
09:52 < v-dogg> first time here?
09:52 < Kador> yep
09:52 < Kador> Still getting used to IRC
09:52 < Kador> Never even used that
09:52 < v-dogg> :)
09:52 < Kador> Was reading some of the logs
09:52 < Wombert> re
09:53 < Kador> I used to read them on the website and thought they had gone
09:53 < Wombert> eremit: explain that mixin stuff
09:53 < Wombert> heyy Kador
09:53 < Wombert> 'sup
09:53 < Wombert> so you got my email :)
09:53 < eremit> mom ^^ getting some links for you
09:53 < Wombert> welcome to the channel
09:53 < Wombert> eremit: I don't think PHP can do that
09:53 < Kador> Hello Wombert
09:53 < Kador> Yes I got your mail
09:54 < eremit> Wombert: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?MixIn - http://www.rubycentral.com/book/tut_modules.html
09:54 < Kador> So, how much work is it switching from 0.10.2 to 0.11?
09:54 < eremit> Wombert, i would thing php should be able to handle it, using some lambda functions ...
09:54 < Wombert> v-dogg: AgaviLoggingLayout... better
09:54 < Wombert> go for it
09:54 < Wombert> AgaviLoggingMessage?
09:54 < Wombert> yeah, probably
09:54 < v-dogg> or LogLayout?
09:54 < Wombert> AgaviLogMessage sucks, eh?
09:54 < Wombert> I'll let you decide
09:55 < Wombert> http://www.advogato.org/article/470.html
09:55 < v-dogg> oh, too much pressure... :)
09:55 < Wombert> you know
09:55 < Wombert> php would be SO much cooler if it had a preprocessor...
09:55 < eremit> http://www.achievo.org/blog/archives/46-Mixins-in-PHP.html
09:56 < eremit> there are at least 2 possible solutions regarding mixins ... either lambda or static calls ...
09:56 < eremit> but we don't need mixins ... because AgaviParameterHolder (Basically the moac in agavi) extends nothing
09:56 < Wombert> eremit: so we would have to bring back AgaviObject as the base class
09:56 < Wombert> seas was right :)
09:57 < Wombert> well but how
09:57 < Wombert> would you then
09:57 < eremit> why not add an additional class within the app dir ? ...
09:57 < Wombert> add your own class in there
09:57 < eremit> and make aph extend it ...
09:57 < Wombert> The handling of the mixins is done by the Object class. There are two key elements in this solution. First, I make use of the PHP5 magic method '__call' to intercept calls to the objects, and redirect methods to the mixins when necessary
09:57 < Wombert> eeewww
09:57 < eremit> _but_ from scientific point of view, this is nasty, because of bottom-up functionality adding ...
09:57 < Wombert> __call is _so_ slow
09:58 < Wombert> I'm not really in the mood to mess up the framework or make it slower
09:58 < eremit> i think the inheritance solution would be better and faster ...
09:58 < Wombert> just because of such a "minor" feature
09:58 < Wombert> Kador: we'll talk in a minute
09:58 < eremit> yes, but you add the possibility to have unimagined solutions ... and if a dev needs this he must cope with the slowness ...
09:58 < Kador> no prob
09:59 < Wombert> eremit: provide a proof of concept
09:59 < Wombert> with a working example of how it would be used
09:59 < Wombert> it sure sounds interesting
09:59 < eremit> i would vote for a moac class in the app dir ... and make aph extending it ...
09:59 < eremit> wombert, i'll do my best ;)
09:59 < Wombert> moac?
09:59 < Wombert> aph?
09:59 < Wombert> oO
10:00 < Wombert> if the solution means people can inject custom code into any of the "fixed" classes... why not
10:00 < Wombert> but then, that's strongly against the LGPL and "final class..." idea
10:00 < eremit> moac - mother of all classes .... aph - agavi parameter holder
10:00 < Wombert> xDD
10:00 < Wombert> some parts of agavi aren't customizable, and that's intentional
10:00 < Wombert> it's only ParameterHolder, Agavi, AgaviContect and the config cache
10:00 < eremit> as i said it's from scientific point of view really nasty
10:00 < Wombert> because these are central aspects of the framework
10:01 < Wombert> and if people need a change there
10:01 < eremit> but adds several additional possibilities
10:01 < Wombert> I want them to step forward and suggest a change, so everybody profits
10:01 < eremit> yes and now you have the moment with v-dogg ...
10:01 < eremit> v-dogg needed a solution ... and most likely nobody needs it too ...
10:02 < eremit> so it's not implemented in agavi ...
10:02 < eremit> solution could be for v-dogg to customize his agavi ... create patches ...
10:02 < eremit> and then we have many patches, and no consistent base ...
10:02 < Wombert> he could just write his own iterator
10:03 < Wombert> foreach(new ParameterHolderIterator($params) as $foo)
10:03 < eremit> yeah as you suggested ... basically using a decorator pattern ...
10:03 < Wombert> I'm not saying we don't implement it if nobody needs it
10:03 < Wombert> if it doesn't slow things down at runtime (don't see how it would)
10:03 < Wombert> and if it's _reasonable_, i.e. not a hack for a total edge case
10:03 < Wombert> why not
10:04 < eremit> yes but imagine ... agavi gets hyped .. and we start to implement dozens of this suggesting
10:04 < eremit> we blow up the codebase ...
10:04 < Wombert> from my cold dead hands
10:04 < eremit> so why not add a possibility to customize aph ... ;)
10:04 < eremit> ohoh, this starts to get philosophical ;)
10:04 < Wombert> if any, then we'll do that for everything
10:04 < Wombert> i.e. re-introduce AgaviObject and make it the super class for everything
10:04 < Wombert> implement it there
10:05 < Wombert> and make it work in a way that allows to inject code anytime, anywhere
10:05 < Wombert> go create a sample of what you're thinking of
10:05 < Wombert> so we can look at it
10:05 < Wombert> does __call slow down things at runtime?
10:05 < eremit> kk i'll do my best ;) since mixin is something i'm really missing
10:05 < Wombert> I mean... even if it's not used
10:05 < eremit> dunno i will profile that out ^^
10:05 < Wombert> it's called only if the method doesn't exist anyway
10:05 < Wombert> yeah please do
10:06 < Wombert> I'd love to see if there is overhead
10:06 < Wombert> or if __call only hooks into the part where PHP would normally raise a undefined method error
10:06 < Wombert> you really use python a bit too much it seems
10:06 < Wombert> you get weird ideas
10:06 < eremit> python and ruby are both really strange in some things ...
10:07 < eremit> but i really really like their approach ...
10:07 < Wombert> $foo = $bar if($condition) else $baz
10:07 < Wombert> that's a cool syntax
10:07 < Wombert> python 2.5 has that
10:07 < eremit> yeah ...
10:07 < Wombert> Kador: you asked how much effort it is to port a 0.10 app to 0.11
10:07 < Wombert> maybe eremit and v-dogg can shed some light on that, too
10:07 < Kador> yes
10:07 < eremit> but even cooler is [1,2,3].each {|a| a += 1} => [2,3,4]
10:07 < Wombert> I already wrote you some lines about that in my email
10:07 < eremit> (ruby syntax)
10:07 < Wombert> eremit: yes
10:07 < Wombert> eremit: gotta love prototyped languages
10:08 < Wombert> one of the reasons why I really like javascript these days
10:08 < eremit> yes ... but javascript isn't much usefull in server envs ...
10:08 < Wombert> it's a fantastic language... it has some major annoyances, but in general, it's fantastic
10:08 < Wombert> I didn't know JS before I used script.aculo.us and prototype and looked at their code
10:09 < Wombert> WOOT
10:09 < eremit> for me it looks like all these dynamic languages (js, python, ruby etc... )
10:09 < Wombert> lost should long be over by now
10:09 * Wombert goes find the torrent
10:09 < eremit> Kaldor you are thinking about porting an 0.10 app to 0.11 ?
10:10 < v-dogg> Kador: it depends heavily on how you have done your 0.10 app. if you have separate models that have all you business logic it might be easier to create a new 0.11 project, re-do actions and views and just drop in your models from 0.10 app
10:10 < Kador> Well, I'm still developing one in 0.10.2
10:10 < Wombert> sample app might be broken right now btw
10:10 < Wombert> working on a fix
10:11 < v-dogg> Kador: that's how I ported one project
10:11 < Kador> models are a separte layer, (domainobjects + datamappers)
10:11 < v-dogg> with custom action + view templates creating a project "stub" is a breeze
10:12 < Kador> is there any documentation on 0.11 right now?
10:13 < Wombert> not much
10:14 < Wombert> the changelog is pretty... raw :)
10:14 < Wombert> there's an API_CHANGELOG, not sure if it's finished
10:14 < Wombert> let me have a look
10:14 < Kador> my biggest problem is that I'm working on a finishing up some things for a release and re-learning the framework might not be the right time
10:14 < Kador> I think I saw the API-changelog
10:14 < Kador> Looks like a lot of changes
10:14 < Wombert> many don't affect your app
10:14 < eremit> if you are currently at the finished touches you shouldn't change the code base ...
10:14 < Wombert> but for instance, request methods are different now
10:15 < Wombert> you don't declare which you use by getRequestMethods
10:15 < eremit> make your release and shedule the agavi update for the next major update ...
10:15 < Wombert> instead, the existence of a method declares that the action serves that request method
10:15 < Wombert> executeRead() for GET et
10:15 < Wombert> c
10:15 < Wombert> no more GET and POST...
10:15 < Wombert> on IRC or on the console, you don't have that
10:15 < Wombert> and XMLRPC is always POST
10:15 < Wombert> and RESTful stuff has PUT and DELETE, too
10:15 < Kador> sounds interesting
10:16 < Wombert> how far along is that project?
10:16 -!- AgaviBot [n=dzuelke@dslb-088-064-001-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #agavi
10:16 < Kador> So, doing an app with both HTML and Json views is easier now too?
10:16 < Wombert> yes
10:16 < Wombert> one action
10:16 < Wombert> one view
10:16 < Wombert> just different output
10:16 < Wombert> that's an essential part of the new design
10:16 < Wombert> a feature we hope will attract users
10:17 < Wombert> the concept is built around the Output Types
10:17 < Wombert> Kador, meet AgaviBot
10:17 < Wombert> !seen horros
10:17 < AgaviBot> Wombert: horros was last seen on Mon Sep 11 16:02:23 2006 saying "Zend is full of idiots." (joined Sat Aug 19 12:18:03 2006)
10:17 < Kador> I need to get something out to my users somewhere in november
10:17 < Wombert> !stats
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10:17 < Wombert> !info
10:17 < AgaviBot> Wombert: I'm AgaviBot version 0.3, powered by Agavi :) My IRC Bot components and the Web Interface to the Logs share quite some code, thanks to Agavi's flexibility and clean structure!
10:17 < Kador> What does Agavibit do
10:17 < Wombert> it stays on IRC
10:17 < Wombert> logs all activity
10:18 < Wombert> and it can tell you some stuff, such as !seen or so
10:18 < Wombert> I only implemented basic features so far
10:18 < Wombert> but it also keeps tracks of feeds, for example
10:18 < eremit> have you released the code of the bot somewhere ?
10:18 < Kador> Cool
10:18 < Wombert> no
10:18 < Kador> Might be a good sample app
10:18 < Wombert> I will release it sometime after 0.11
10:18 < Wombert> as a new sample app
10:18 < Wombert> yes
10:18 < Wombert> but the web interface needs some ajax stuff etc
10:18 < Wombert> to really showcase some features
10:19 < Kador> The most frustrating part about learning Mojavi/Agavi was the lack of documentation or good examples
10:19 < Wombert> one feature will be live logs
10:19 < Wombert> where you click a channel
10:19 < Wombert> and it updates messages as they happen
10:19 < Wombert> via XHR
10:19 < Wombert> Kador: yep, exactly
10:19 < Wombert> thus your best bet might be to wait until 0.11 is out with some documentation
10:19 < Wombert> eremit and v-dogg have the advantage that they are on IRC a lot
10:19 < Wombert> so they learn about changes as they happen
10:20 < Wombert> which makes it easier for them to port their apps etc etc
10:20 < Wombert> agavi 0.11 will launch with a new website
10:20 < Wombert> and some basic documentation
10:20 < Wombert> the focus for 1.0 is then new and more unit tests
10:20 < Kador> Right now I'm going to continue with 0.10.2 and I'll switch after I've made a release (right now I've got way too much people asking when it'll be ready)
10:20 < Wombert> and documentation, documentation, documentation
10:20 < Wombert> other than that, it's gonna be the same as 0.11
10:21 < Kador> I'de be willing to help with UT and docs
10:21 < Wombert> so you can upgrade your 0.11 apps to 1.0 without any breakage
10:21 < Wombert> that would be most appreciated!
10:21 < Kador> SimpleTest or PhpUnit?
10:21 < Kador> I've only used Simpletest
10:22 < Wombert> PHPUnit3
10:22 < Wombert> we'll use that new version then
10:22 < Wombert> has better features
10:22 < eremit> NO! pls not 3
10:22 < Wombert> mock objects etc
10:22 < Wombert> yes, PHPUnit3
10:22 < Wombert> why not
10:22 < eremit> you know you would have to bump the php requirement up ?
10:24 < Wombert> I'm aware of that it requires 5.1.4
10:24 < Wombert> that doesn't mean agavi has to require that version, too, though
10:24 < Wombert> agavi's own tests will definitely be phpunit3 based
10:24 < eremit> hmpf ...
10:24 < Wombert> we could always make the app tests phpunit2 compatible
10:24 < Wombert> but we wouldn't have to
10:24 < Wombert> because
10:24 < Wombert> everyone can set up a dev machine with that minimum version to run unit tests
10:24 < Wombert> if he needs them
10:24 < Wombert> it's not on the agenda for 0.11 anyway
10:25 < Wombert> let's focus on getting a release out and get back to the discussion after that
10:26 < Kador> Do you have any concrete plans for the documentation? Structure? Format = Docbook?
10:26 < Wombert> right now, the plan is to have three docbooks
10:27 < Wombert> an intro manual without or next to no code
10:27 < Wombert> but a description of the architecture and the capabilities of agavi
10:27 < Wombert> for decision makers etc that want to get an impression of agavi
10:27 < Wombert> maybe 10 pages or so, maximum
10:27 < Wombert> a manual
10:27 < Wombert> that describes installation, elements of an application etc
10:27 < Wombert> and a cookbook, with popular topics
10:27 < Wombert> small tricks etc
10:28 < Wombert> there's already some content in each of them, if you want to have a look
10:28 < Kador> Impressive
10:28 < Kador> Where do I get them, just co the svn?
10:28 < Wombert> we decided against a wiki for documentation, for instance
10:28 < Wombert> they're useless
10:28 < Wombert> yes, in svn
10:28 < Kador> Wiki's usefull as scratchpad
10:28 < Kador> I like the phing and propel docs
10:28 < Wombert> yeah, but for complete documentation, there's just not enough structure
10:29 < Wombert> it's so much work to keep everything up to date etc
10:29 < Wombert> we'll have nightly builds of the docbooks
10:29 < Wombert> as well as the API docs
10:29 < Kador> Docbook sounds good
10:29 < Wombert> and, of course, nightly SVN snapshots of agavi
10:30 < Kador> One more thing, Agavi's not going the Symfony route (tight coupling)?
10:30 < v-dogg> never
10:30 < Kador> Ok, that's what I wanted to hear
10:31 < v-dogg> and we don't steal code either ;p
10:31 < Wombert> yeah
10:31 < Wombert> they steal code
10:31 < Wombert> not only from us...
10:31 < Kador> ouch
10:31 < Wombert> and violate licenses etc
10:31 < Wombert> morons
10:31 < Kador> BTW, where are you all from?
10:31 < Wombert> their license is MIT, ours is LGPL, so they're not allowed to take code from us... but they don't seem to care
10:31 < Wombert> Munich, Germany
10:32 < v-dogg> Turku, Finland
10:32 < Wombert> dominik is from Munich, too
10:32 < Kador> I'm from Gent, Belgium
10:32 < eremit> Flensburg, Germany
10:32 < Kador> Is Agavi mostly a European thing?
10:32 < Wombert> v-dogg: Turko has a lot of famous dockyards, doesn't it
10:32 < Wombert> actually... no :)
10:32 < Wombert> it now is
10:32 < Wombert> but like mojavi, it started in the U.S.
10:32 < Wombert> we have users from all over the world
10:33 < Wombert> a guy from china was here once
10:33 < Wombert> some japanese folks
10:33 < Wombert> shoan is from india
10:33 < Wombert> raidman is from iran
10:33 < Wombert> pressureman is a new zealander
10:33 < Wombert> Macca` is from Down Under
10:33 < Wombert> splatch` is from poland
10:33 < Macca`> macca is AWESOME
10:33 < Wombert> Kubicec is from Czech
10:33 < Wombert> Macca`: got somethin for ya
10:34 < Kador> Hurray for Globalization
10:34 < Wombert> reminds us OZs of how great teh country is
10:34 < Wombert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZGSqxw8qKA
10:34 < Wombert> do you know this?
10:34 < Wombert> aired during the 2000 summer olympics
10:34 < Kador> Are you planning on translating the docs also or just leaving everything in English?
10:34 < Wombert> and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pMOBVX88Kg is now on TV in germany
10:34 < Wombert> Kador: translating them would be great, I think
10:35 < Wombert> I and others could translate to german
10:35 < Wombert> could you translate to french, too
10:35 < Wombert> ?
10:35 < Kador> I speak dutch, not french
10:35 < Wombert> okay :)
10:35 < Wombert> that's what I wanted to know
10:36 < Kador> Nice vid, pitty they're lying about the beer
10:36 < v-dogg> haha
10:36 < Wombert> actually, I like Foster's
10:36 < Wombert> but it's an export beer
10:36 < Kador> I speak and read some french, but not enough to do serious translating
10:36 < Wombert> you don't get it in australia
10:36 < Kador> Everybody knows the best beer's from Belgium. :)
10:37 < Wombert> the second vid is very cool, too
10:37 < Wombert> haha... right
10:37 < v-dogg> ehm... wrong
10:37 < Kador> It's called Westvleteren
10:38 < Wombert> "and Bill's down on his way to open the front gate"... haha
10:39 < v-dogg> hmm...
10:39 < v-dogg> Input is not proper UTF-8, indicate encoding !
10:39 < Wombert> where?
10:39 < v-dogg> fpf
10:39 < Macca`> Wombert, we have a saying: "Fosters - There's a reason we export it..."
10:42 < epaulin> Wombert: the chinese guy should be me, :-)
10:42 < Wombert> epaulin: are you from china? oO
10:43 < Wombert> didn't realize that
10:43 < epaulin> yup
10:43 < shoan> agavi is going international :)
10:43 < Wombert> oO
10:43 < Wombert> seriously, epaulin
10:43 < Wombert> spread the word
10:43 < Wombert> 1.3bn potential users over there xD
10:43 < v-dogg> :D
10:43 < Wombert> shoan: and you! spread the word!
10:44 < epaulin> yes, i swear
10:44 < Wombert> I want every single programmer from india to use agavi by the end of the year!
10:44 < Wombert> :>
10:44 < shoan> lol
10:44 < epaulin> :-)
10:44 < Wombert> Macca`: yeah there sure are better brands
10:44 < v-dogg> hey, what's going on with my app and fpf here...
10:44 < Wombert> I believe I once (long ago) drank a tooheys
10:44 < Wombert> I got an old poster
10:44 < epaulin> we started from Mojavi3 and ported our app to agavi since Feti left Mojavi
10:44 < Wombert> where a koala sits on a bike
10:45 < Wombert> and he has two cans of tooheys fixed to the bike and a straw
10:45 < Wombert> epaulin: cool
10:45 < Wombert> epaulin: if you wanna translate documentation to chinese or so, let me know!
10:45 < Wombert> oooh by the way guys
10:45 < Wombert> really, everyone
10:46 < Wombert> please download a gettext editor!
10:46 < Wombert> I'll check in a translated sample app soon
10:46 < Wombert> it'll be german and english first, but we could translate it to everything
10:46 < v-dogg> gettext editor?
10:47 < Wombert> a .po editor
10:47 < epaulin> Wombert: sure, i will
10:47 < Wombert> we don't use gettext natively
10:47 < Wombert> but agavi can read .mo files
10:47 < Wombert> so you can use gettext if you want
10:48 < eremit> Wombert: http://phpfi.com/162778
10:49 < eremit> Result:
10:49 < eremit> Execution Time: 25.9897861481
10:49 < eremit> Execution Time: 24.8165700436
10:50 < eremit> so using __call seems to speed up? or at least the performance seems to be the same
10:50 < eremit> php version 5.1.2
10:51 < Wombert> it's probably within the margin of error, yeah
10:51 < Wombert> but 25s for 10k iterations?
10:51 < Wombert> oO
10:53 < eremit> moment ...
10:53 < eremit> i have 10k iterations in the function
10:53 < eremit> and 10k function calls ...
10:53 < eremit> so it's 10k*10k iterations ...
10:53 < eremit> and the development server isn't one of the fastest ;)
10:54 < Wombert> oh
10:54 < Wombert> yeah
10:54 < Wombert> missed that
10:54 < eremit> the only itch in my solution is ... within the class you want to mixin there is a distinct difference between $self and $this
10:55 < eremit> and you are applied to var scopes of $self ...
10:56 < eremit> but i hope you got the idea about dynamically loading methods ...
10:58 < Wombert> mmmh
10:58 < Wombert> where did you mix in the other class?
10:58 < Wombert> isn't that missing?
10:59 < Wombert> wouldn't you have to add $class->mixin('ThisIsTheClassToBeMixedIn'); ?
10:59 < eremit> hmmm ... this test is only for __call performance ...
10:59 < eremit> i would have to use $class->mixin(new ThisIsTheClassToBeMixedIn())
11:00 < eremit> // And now the class which is capable of mixins
11:00 < eremit> $class = new MyClass();
11:00 < eremit> $class->mixin(new ThisIsTheClassToBeMixedIn());
11:00 < eremit> $start = microtime(true);
11:00 < eremit> like this ^^
11:00 < Wombert> no instance, right?
11:00 < Wombert> a class name
11:00 < eremit> no an instance ...
11:00 < Wombert> public function mixin($class) {
11:00 < Wombert>
11:00 < Wombert> $methods = get_class_methods($class);
11:01 < Wombert> get_class_methods expects a class name, too
11:01 < Wombert> wouldn't everything else be nonsense anyway
11:01 < Wombert> you want to mix in functionality of a class
11:01 < eremit> yes but since php can't do that ... i have to mixin an instance
11:02 < eremit> that's because of the stupid php compiler like behauviour ... and no runtime code changes
11:02 < eremit> and since i cannot access the code of a method .. i cannot create a lambda ...
11:02 < eremit> like ruby or python can ...
11:03 < Wombert> ?
11:03 < Wombert> you're using call_user_method_array anyweay !?
11:03 < eremit> pardon ?
11:03 < Wombert> return call_user_method_array($method, $this->_mixins[$method], $args);
11:03 < Wombert> in __call
11:04 < Wombert> should be call_user_func_array anyway
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11:37 < Wombert> bbl
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12:51 < v-dogg> Wombert: I need you!
13:00 < shoan_> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
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13:19 < Wombert> re
13:19 < Wombert> v-dogg: y0
13:24 < v-dogg> fpf is bitching about encoding
13:24 < Wombert> how
13:24 < v-dogg> Input is not proper UTF-8 .... AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php on line 126
13:25 < Wombert> is your stuff utf8?
13:25 < Wombert> or iso
13:25 < v-dogg> iso
13:25 < Wombert> did you declare that anywhere?
13:25 < v-dogg> only in <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"/>
13:25 < Wombert> use <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" />
13:25 < Wombert> hmm
13:25 < Wombert> did you do it in the output type, too?
13:26 < v-dogg> yes
13:26 < v-dogg> but fpf never gets a change to use that because DOM won't even load the xml
13:26 < Wombert> woot?
13:27 < Wombert> ah...
13:27 < Wombert> it's loaded as XML, right?
13:27 < Wombert> I believe the XML spec says for everything but text/xml, assume UTF8 if no prolog is given
13:27 < Wombert> you have two options
13:27 < Wombert> a) wait till I fix it
13:27 < Wombert> b) set config parameter parse_xhtml_as_xml to false
13:27 < Wombert> let me know if the latter works
13:28 < Wombert> I'll create a reproduce case later
13:32 < v-dogg> b works
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15:53 < horros> hai 2 u
15:53 < v-dogg> hey horrosdude
15:53 < eremit> heyho horros
15:53 < horros> hehe
15:54 < horros> v-dogg: guess who called us and was interested in our product
15:54 < horros> a tiny little company called...
15:54 < horros> TietoEnator
15:54 < horros> :D
15:54 < v-dogg> congratulations :)
15:55 < horros> I told boss to say we can port it to Java and sell everything to them :)
15:55 < horros> I wouldn't mind going to work for Enator as a Nappula-consultant :)
15:55 < v-dogg> no no no! port it symfony!
15:56 < v-dogg> Wombert: I need you. again :)
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17:20 < Wombert> re
17:20 < Wombert> v-dogg: back
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17:43 < v-dogg> Wombert: everything is ok again. just didn't get fpf to populate but it was my mistake
18:00 < epaulin> Wombert: just look at the sample app, seems there is a issues with php5.2-RC5
18:00 < epaulin> - public function translate($message, $domain, $locale)
18:00 < epaulin> + public function translate($message, $domain, AgaviLocale $locale = null)
18:00 < Wombert> isn't that fixed yet
18:00 < Wombert> well
18:00 < epaulin> in php5.2, this will got a Fatal error.
18:00 < Wombert> I'll check in changes that get rid of that anyway
18:00 < Wombert> soon
18:01 < epaulin> :-)
18:01 < Wombert> fixed in SVN
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18:03 < epaulin> relly quick, ha
18:05 < Wombert> cheers jake
18:10 < jake> wrt Hans Reiser; "If he did kill his wife, which is nowhere near certain, and then subsequently chopped up the body, I bet the pieces are of manageable size and spread evenly throughout a wooded area for easy, order-N retrieval..."
18:10 < jake> That's just wrong
18:10 < jake> good morning Wombert
18:14 < epaulin> I don't believe it, and some guy at slashdot make joke of it:" just roolback..."
18:19 < Wombert> ... slashdot comments...
18:19 < Wombert> "Why doesn't the police use Hans' Journal to recover his lost wife?"
18:23 < Wombert> http://cbs5.com/localwire/localfsnews/bcn/2006/09/13/n/HeadlineNews/HOME-SEARCHED/resources_bcn_html
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18:35 < splatch`> oi! :)
18:36 < v-dogg> hmm..
18:36 * v-dogg is running ubuntu livecd
18:36 < v-dogg> it's kinda nice
18:36 < Wombert> how uncool
18:36 < v-dogg> how very cool :)
18:38 < jake> I now hate debian, and all its derivatives, due to 'IceWeasel' being the dumbest idea I've heard in two years that wasn't related to government
18:38 < Wombert> yes!
18:39 < Wombert> I so agree
18:39 < Wombert> these die hard free software idiots with their long beards and dirty fingernails are just utterly retarded
18:39 < v-dogg> IceWeasel?
18:39 < Wombert> the firefox logo is trademarked
18:40 < Wombert> which means it's not free according to the definition of the GNU idiots
18:40 < Wombert> so firefox uses a different logo in debian and all the other shitty derived dsitros
18:40 < v-dogg> woot!?
18:40 < v-dogg> hahaha
18:40 < Wombert> mozilla now said "fuck you, don't mess with our logo, using a different logo with the name "firefox" is a license violation"
18:40 < Wombert> now they bundle their own bullshit and label it IceWeasel
18:43 < v-dogg> but this is still quite nice
18:44 < v-dogg> and a bit cheaper than a mac ;)
18:44 * v-dogg ducks and covers
18:44 < Wombert> yeah
18:44 < Wombert> and they copy OS X looks
18:44 < Wombert> and put it onto the windows feels
18:44 < Wombert> which means that they essentially took two pretty solid ideas
18:45 < Wombert> and messed them up
18:50 < Wombert> should I ever use linux
18:50 < Wombert> I'd use XFCE
18:50 < Wombert> or whatever it's called
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19:00 < splatch`> !seen Wombert
19:00 < AgaviBot> splatch`: Wombert is online right now, last message on Thu Oct 12 12:28:03 2006 saying "I'll create a reproduce case later" (joined Tue Aug 29 00:31:42 2006)
19:00 < splatch`> :]
19:01 < Wombert> mmmh....
19:01 < Wombert> fuck xgettext
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19:08 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/timeline :
19:08 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1113 : Changeset [1113]: added TranslationManager::__(), puts the first three arguments (singular ...
19:09 < splatch`> smarter!
19:15 < Wombert> jake: you there?
19:40 < CIA-11> david * r1112 /trunk/samples/app/lib/translation/AgaviSampleAppTranslator.class.php: sample app hotfix
19:40 < CIA-11> david * r1113 /trunk/src/translation/AgaviTranslationManager.class.php:
19:40 < CIA-11> added TranslationManager::__(), puts the first three arguments (singular
19:40 < CIA-11> message, plural message, amount) and then calls TranslationManager::_() with
19:40 < CIA-11> that array as the first argument. All following arguments are identical. This is
19:40 < CIA-11> for xgettext and other uncool translation source generators that start whining
19:40 < CIA-11> once you use special characters. Look at the cookbook for information on how to
19:40 < CIA-11> generate gettext .po files from your code
19:54 < epaulin> Wombert: is there anyway to get request parameters from other static method and did't need pass $parameters from action or view;
19:55 < Wombert> epaulin: hmmm... I didn't fully understand that
19:57 < epaulin> imagine we have a custome RequestUtils::getParameter which do:
19:57 < epaulin> $value = Context::getInstance()->getRequest()->getParameter($name);
19:57 < Wombert> hmm
19:57 < Wombert> and where are you doing that?
19:57 < Wombert> the request params are locked only during view and request executionm
19:57 < Wombert> btw, Context::getInstance() is evil
19:58 < Wombert> it doesn't guarantee you get the context instance the calling method is running in
19:58 < Wombert> better pass the context
19:59 < epaulin> my ex-fellow did that, wrap some default value, filter, etc
19:59 < Wombert> hmm
19:59 < Wombert> I'm sure there is a cleaner way ;)
19:59 < Wombert> do you get an error message or what?
20:01 < epaulin> nop, just invest how much work need do porting 0.10 to 0.11,
20:01 < Wombert> as I said
20:02 < Wombert> $request->getParameters() is only forbidden inside Action::execute() and View::execute()
20:02 < horros> stupid notpron
20:02 < horros> #)(%#)(%
20:02 < epaulin> seems i got lucky
20:02 < horros> I can't get past level 3 :(
20:02 < Wombert> haha
20:02 < splatch`> how to use smarty as view layer
20:03 < splatch`> must i extend AgaviSmartyView?
20:04 < Wombert> no
20:04 < Wombert> we use renderers now
20:04 < Wombert> that means
20:04 < Wombert> your view can use multiple renderers
20:04 < splatch`> Wombert: any example? :)
20:04 < Wombert> uh
20:04 < Wombert> sample app?
20:04 < Wombert> :)
20:04 < horros> w00t
20:04 < horros> level 4 :)
20:05 < Wombert> class IndexSuccessView extends AgaviView
20:05 < Wombert> the output type defines which renderer is used
20:05 < Wombert> that's why you now also do $this->setTemplate('IndexSuccess');
20:05 < Wombert> without extension
20:05 < Wombert> because the extension is defined by the output type, too
20:05 < Wombert> of course you can still override it by hand in the code
20:05 < Wombert> either by forcing the file extension ('IndexSuccess.blah', true);
20:05 < splatch`> where's renderer?
20:05 < Wombert> or
20:06 < Wombert> you can also return a renderer from the view if you want to override the one defined in the output type
20:06 < splatch`> Wombert: can i use two renderers in one view class?
20:08 < splatch`> in Mojavi 4 was also renderers
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20:09 < Wombert> splatch`: yes
20:09 < Wombert> ...
20:09 < Wombert> renderers are per output type
20:10 < Wombert> they are independent of the view
20:14 * splatch` found (<renderer class="AgaviPhpRenderer">) :]
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22:02 < CIA-11> david * r1114 /trunk/src/translation/AgaviTranslationManager.class.php: TranslationManager::getAvailableLocales()
22:04 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/timeline :
22:04 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1114 : Changeset [1114]: TranslationManager::getAvailableLocales()
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01:35 < CIA-11> david * r1115 /trunk/src/routing/AgaviWebRouting.class.php: pass null as the route name to gen() to re-generate the current URL (includes query params etc). of course, you can still overwrite individual params in such a call.
01:37 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/timeline :
01:37 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1115 : Changeset [1115]: pass null as the route name to gen() to re-generate the current URL ...
01:40 < CIA-11> david * r1116 /trunk/samples/ (32 files in 6 dirs): some translation for the sample app. not 100% complete yet.
01:43 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/timeline :
01:43 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/changeset/1116 : Changeset [1116]: some translation for the sample app. not 100% complete yet.
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03:16 < CIA-11> dominik * r1117 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
03:16 < CIA-11> moved default locale to translation.xml
03:16 < CIA-11> removed locale stuff from request (this now all goes thru the translation manager)
03:16 < CIA-11> lazy load locales in translation manager
03:16 < CIA-11> renamed AgaviLocale::getName to getIdentifier
03:16 < CIA-11> added locale_str (the part of the locale identifier without the options) to the result of parseLocaleIdentifier
03:16 < CIA-11> dominik * r1118 /trunk/src/translation/AgaviGettextTranslator.class.php: some sort of plural handling for the gettext translator
03:23 < CIA-11> dominik * r1119 /trunk/src/routing/AgaviRouting.class.php:
03:23 < CIA-11> set the locale to the translation manager
03:23 < CIA-11> overwrite defaults with incoming parameters
03:29 < CIA-11> dominik * r1120 /trunk/samples/app/modules/Default/templates/Master.php: update to reflect locale removal from request
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08:49 < v-dogg> huomenta
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09:06 < horros> mo'
09:06 < horros> friggen fruit flies
09:06 < horros> I HATE YOU!
09:07 < horros> annoying bastard little fucks :(
09:38 < ttj> Good morning to you too. :-)
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10:01 < horros> eh
10:02 < horros> apparently missus woke up and "unhibernated" the laptop :)
10:07 < v-dogg> heh
10:07 < v-dogg> morning horros!
10:07 < v-dogg> or horros' missu
10:08 < eremit> heyja ...
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10:23 < horros> ...and now she hibernated it again :)
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12:12 < shoan> morning folks
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12:53 < v-dogg> Wombert:
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14:40 < Wombert> v-dogg: ?
14:41 < horros> me: ?
14:43 < v-dogg> Wombert: nutting anymore :)
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15:28 < CIA-11> david * r1121 /trunk/samples/app/ (3 files in 2 dirs): sample app fixes
15:28 < Wombert> sample app now (almost) fully translated to german
15:28 < Wombert> I'll add a custom demo translator for the product names later
15:28 < v-dogg> \o\
15:28 < Wombert> and a routing callback that sets a cookie to remember the last language
15:28 < v-dogg> hmm...
15:28 < Wombert> everyone feel free to use dev/messages.pot and translate all strings to your language
15:29 < v-dogg> can I delete a remote directory with rsync?
15:29 < Wombert> no idea
15:29 < eremit> yes ...
15:29 < v-dogg> eg. agavis cache from the server when I upload changed files with rsync
15:30 < eremit> afaik --delete --force
15:30 < eremit> otherwise man rsync ;)
15:48 < Wombert> v-dogg: wanna translate it to finnish?
15:48 < Wombert> takes no more than five minutes
15:49 < v-dogg> can I edit .po files with a normal editor?
15:49 < Wombert> you can, yes, but a dedicated editor is easier, of course
15:49 < Wombert> you got linux?
15:49 < Wombert> nah you're on windows aren't you
15:50 < v-dogg> I have ubuntu livecd :p
15:50 < CIA-11> david * r1122 /trunk/samples/dev/messages_de.po: small comment fixes
15:50 < Wombert> does it have KBabel
15:50 < v-dogg> dunno
15:50 < Wombert> :)
15:51 < v-dogg> I need to get a second hard drive so that I can install linux
15:51 < Wombert> v-dogg: http://www.poedit.org/
15:52 < Wombert> load samples/dev/messages.pot, edit and save it as messages_fi.po
15:52 < Wombert> I'll compile it then
15:56 < Wombert> hmm
15:56 < Wombert> the .pot doesn't seem to work properly in poEdit
15:56 < Wombert> odd
15:57 < Wombert> aah no
15:57 < Wombert> you have to do new -> catalog from project file
15:57 < Wombert> err
15:57 < Wombert> POT file
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16:03 < v-dogg> hmm...
16:03 < v-dogg> ok..
16:03 < Wombert> let me figure this out first
16:03 < Wombert> I don't get that damn app
16:03 < Wombert> or it's some kind of bug, the OS X version seems kinda new
16:04 < v-dogg> I created a project and it imported the strings
16:04 < v-dogg> but I can't modify them
16:04 < v-dogg> translate, I mean
16:05 < Wombert> yeah
16:05 < Wombert> something strange going on
16:05 < Wombert> I'll look into it and write a readme
16:05 < v-dogg> ah! you have to write the translated string below the original :D
16:06 < Wombert> yes
16:06 < Wombert> but that doesn't work for me either
16:06 < Wombert> and plural forms won't work etc
16:06 < Wombert> try opening messages_de.po
16:06 < Wombert> that's how it should look like
16:06 < Wombert> with plural forms for "Alternative Langauge."
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16:08 < Wombert> wtf
16:08 < Wombert> so if you create a new translation project thing from messages.pot
16:08 < Wombert> you have to enter all the info
16:08 < Wombert> both charsets utf8 by the way
16:09 < Wombert> but the plural forms thing... hmmmh
16:09 < Wombert> it doesn't seem to work properly somehow
16:09 < v-dogg> don't see any plural stuff here
16:09 < Wombert> how many plural forms does finnish have?
16:09 < v-dogg> kazillion
16:10 < Wombert> yeah this doesn'T seem to work :S
16:10 < Wombert> with the plural forms
16:10 < Wombert> wtf wtf wtf
16:13 < Wombert> look
16:13 < Wombert> this is why I hate all this poor open source stuff
16:14 * shoan ahem
16:14 < Wombert> only bad coders with no skills work on GPL stuff
16:14 < Wombert> except linux and some other apps
16:14 < Wombert> where they get paid by the employer
16:14 < shoan> what are you complaining about? ;)
16:14 < Wombert> poEdit is useless
16:14 < Wombert> okay it's MIT licensed
16:14 < Wombert> but still
16:14 < Wombert> ...
16:15 < Wombert> nothing works, no docs, no help
16:15 < Wombert> for a _user_ app
16:15 < Wombert> ...
16:15 < Wombert> mmmmh
16:15 < Wombert> do you know how that works, shoan?
16:15 < shoan> its probably beta
16:16 < shoan> no haven't used it
16:16 < Wombert> :S
16:16 < shoan> just looking it up now that you mentioned it :)
16:17 < Wombert> KBabel is nicer IMO
16:17 < Wombert> but they all lack... dunno
16:17 < Wombert> "structure"
16:17 < Wombert> guidance
16:18 < shoan> is the author of poedit japanese?
16:18 < v-dogg> poo edit
16:18 < shoan> lol
16:18 < shoan> you rock
16:18 < shoan> you seem to do it every time :)
16:19 < Wombert> yeah
16:19 < Wombert> too funny :)
16:19 < Wombert> v-dogg so is a 12 yr old in his head :>
16:19 * Wombert hugs v-dogg
16:19 < shoan> :))
16:19 < Wombert> :>>>>>>
16:19 < Wombert> owww guys
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16:19 < Wombert> you think they have as much fun over at #symfony?
16:19 < Wombert> I don't think so
16:19 < shoan> never been there
16:20 < shoan> v-dogg, scared them with all the license stuff
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16:22 < CIA-11> v-dogg * r1123 /trunk/samples/dev/messages_fi.po: Finnish translation for the Sample App
16:24 < Wombert> :>>>>>
16:24 < Wombert> v-dogg: so... two plural forms?
16:24 < Wombert> this poedit sucks
16:25 < Wombert> it doesn't define that in the .po file
16:25 < Wombert> mmh
16:26 < v-dogg> yes, two is enough for that, I think
16:26 < Wombert> but it has more?
16:26 < v-dogg> "The alternative language" and "Alternative languages"
16:26 < Wombert> one car, two cars, three cars, four cars, five carsos etc?
16:26 < Wombert> many languages have that
16:27 < v-dogg> basically Finnish has two plural forms
16:27 < Wombert> one singular, one plural
16:27 < v-dogg> yes
16:27 < Wombert> k
16:28 < v-dogg> in practise it's more complicated that that
16:28 < Wombert> oO
16:28 < v-dogg> but let's not go into that now :)
16:28 < v-dogg> because missus is waiting for me
16:28 < Wombert> one last thing
16:29 < Wombert> what's the name of the lanugage in finnish
16:29 < Wombert> Suomi?
16:29 < v-dogg> Suomi
16:30 < Wombert> okay
16:32 < v-dogg> anymore questions? because I'll be away rest of the week
16:32 < v-dogg> :)
16:32 < Wombert> oO
16:32 < Wombert> no questions
16:32 < Wombert> have fun!
16:33 < v-dogg> in a military refresher course? sure.... ;)
16:33 < Wombert> oO
16:33 < Wombert> okay
16:33 < Wombert> xD
16:33 < Wombert> well have fun anyway
16:33 < v-dogg> I'll try
16:33 < Wombert> see you on monday
16:33 < v-dogg> see ya
16:34 < Wombert> and shoot in the right direction
16:34 < v-dogg> russia?
16:34 < Wombert> yeah
16:34 < v-dogg> :p
16:34 < Wombert> that's what I meant
16:34 < Wombert> xD
16:34 < v-dogg> ->
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18:15 < raidman> wow --> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=190/190.css
18:16 < raidman> it's close to agavi new design
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19:07 < horros_> hahah
19:07 < horros_> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95849#c0
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20:24 < epaulin> Wombert: just translated po to chinese, is that ok mail to you?
20:39 < epaulin> It's later in my timezone, if it is ok plz let me known, epaulin AT gmail DOT com
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21:00 < CIA-11> david * r1124 /trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): finnish translation, GettextTranslator fixes for plurals, Master.php fixes
21:06 < CIA-11> dominik * r1125 /trunk/src/config/AgaviLdmlConfigHandler.class.php: alias fixes
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21:42 < Wombert> hi shoan :)
21:43 < Wombert> wanna translate the sample app? :>
21:43 < Wombert> isn't it deep night at your place?
21:43 < shoan> I suck at regional languages
21:43 < Wombert> oO
21:43 < shoan> i speak english and german :)
21:43 < Wombert> lol
21:43 < Wombert> really?
21:43 < Wombert> oO
21:43 < Wombert> why that?
21:44 < shoan> why what?
21:44 < shoan> most people in the bigger cities speak/understand english
21:45 < shoan> i can speak regional languages just enough to get around ;)
21:45 < Wombert> so you grew up with english as your first language?
21:48 < Wombert> und du sprichst wirklich deutsch?
21:48 < Wombert> cool
21:48 < shoan> ya
21:49 < shoan> a little
21:49 < shoan> i used to live in germany
21:49 < shoan> early childhood
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21:55 < shoan> my ibook died :(
21:55 < shoan> i mean the battery
21:58 < Wombert> oO
21:58 < Wombert> cool
21:58 < Wombert> are you born in germany?
21:58 < Wombert> where did you live
21:58 < Wombert> how long
21:58 < Wombert> etc
21:58 < shoan> no
21:58 < shoan> I was born here
21:59 < shoan> lived in germany from the time I was 1yr old to about 7yr
21:59 < Wombert> :)
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22:41 < horros_> Wombert: Boss' iBook died :I
22:41 < horros_> Apple told us it costs 650e to fix
22:41 < horros_> sorry
22:41 < horros_> 640
22:41 < Wombert> horros_: yeah, the usual stuff
22:42 < Wombert> how old is it
22:42 < horros_> 2 years
22:42 < horros_> some chip or the other died
22:42 < horros_> but he called them and yelled at them face red saying he understands if harddrives break or things like that, but not this
22:42 < horros_> and yelled that if he has to pay 640 euros to fix it, he'll never ever ever buy a mac again
22:43 < horros_> so they agreed to only charge us for the work, 140e :D
22:43 < Wombert> what I don't like about apple
22:43 < Wombert> is their support policy
22:43 < Wombert> their entire guarantee stuff
22:43 < Wombert> the EU law guarantees me two years of warranty
22:43 < Wombert> but you get 1y apple care with a mac
22:43 < Wombert> and you can FORGET getting anything repaired after that even on warranty
22:44 < Wombert> the first thing is that you have only 30 days of phone support
22:44 < Wombert> after that, they wnat your credit card number before they even listen to your problem
22:44 < Wombert> and they'll charge 54eur (IIRC) if it's not covered by your apple care or if it has run out
22:44 < Wombert> pathetic
22:45 < horros_> ugh
22:45 < horros_> that's just retarded
22:45 < Wombert> well
22:45 < Wombert> you _can_ go to a Gravis store (no apple stores in germany yet) and talk to them
22:45 < Wombert> and they'll help you and all of course
22:45 < Wombert> they gave me a new "n" key the other day because I had broken mine off
22:45 < horros_> hehe
22:46 < Wombert> I have 33 days of AppleCare left
22:46 < Wombert> and within that time frame, I gotta get the display replaced, the PCMCIA slot fixed and maybe the keyboard reparied
22:46 < v-dogg> 34 days 'till your mac EXPLODES
22:46 < horros_> haha
22:46 < Wombert> but they probably won't fix the keyboard
22:46 < horros_> Apple Quality (tm)
22:46 < Wombert> well
22:47 < Wombert> I'm not sure if the keyboard is okay or not
22:47 < Wombert> the keys are not all ligned up perfectly... they're all flush etc and all work properly
22:47 < Wombert> but they're not 100% on the same tilt etc
22:47 < Wombert> no idea if they'd fix that, it's rather cosmetic
22:47 < Wombert> haven't checked what other books look like
22:47 < Wombert> my pcmcia slot ejector knob is broken
22:48 < Wombert> I guess I played around with it a bit too often ^_°
22:48 < Wombert> it's now stuck inside
22:48 < Wombert> and the screen... it's some samsung TFT panel where the odd pixel lines are a bit darker than the even lines, and from what I heard, the replacement panels are brighter, so it would be a good idea to have it replaced
22:49 < horros_> hehe
22:49 < horros_> sounds like a real quality machine :D
22:49 < Wombert> I thought it was a rather annoying problem but I've seen the same on two friends's other laptops (non-apple)
22:49 < Wombert> despite the problems
22:49 < horros_> this FS laptop of mine hasn't ever had any problems, and it's been rather abused :)
22:49 < Wombert> the quality really, really is top notch
22:50 < Wombert> you can feel that it's properly built, and, more importantly, properly designed
22:50 < Wombert> I like how there's not a single LED shining or blinking when it's on
22:50 < Wombert> the display hinges are just... a lot cooler
22:50 < Wombert> and then there's the details such as the power supply
22:51 < horros_> "And that all weighs up the fact that it keeps breaking all the time"
22:51 < horros_> :P
22:51 * horros_ ducks
22:51 < horros_> "Oooh, shiny plastic! Cool display hinges! No lights!" :D
22:52 < Wombert> basically, you can easily see why mac laptops aren't among the cheapest (in fact, my opinion is that the new MacBook Pros are way too expensive given that the comparably equipped MacBooks aren't any more expensive than comparable windows laptops, but have a lot more features)
22:52 < Wombert> mine hasn't let me down a single time so far
22:52 < Wombert> okay, the battery was dead on arrival
22:52 < Wombert> I have no clue why they don't test them
22:53 < Wombert> but then, they probably don't because otherwise, people would see how many cycles it had before, and would complain about it...
22:53 < Wombert> and since they get their batteries from the Sony idiots
22:53 < Wombert> they are dead or blow up all the time apparently
22:53 < Wombert> :)
22:54 < horros_> what I like most is the fact that Mac Fanboys usually compare apple computers to ALL other Intel/AMD -laptops :)
22:54 < horros_> that's a bit like comparing apples and oranges
22:54 < horros_> (pun intended)
23:06 < Wombert> re
23:06 < Wombert> well why not compare it to others, horros_ ?
23:16 < horros_> Wombert: compare one brand to 1058295 brands of varying quality?
23:16 < Wombert> ah
23:16 < Wombert> I see what you mean
23:16 < Wombert> well
23:17 < Wombert> if you take an average laptop
23:17 < v-dogg> I think there are 1058298 different brands
23:17 < Wombert> of similar price
23:17 < v-dogg> not sure, though
23:17 < Wombert> let's say
23:17 < Wombert> Samsung
23:17 < horros_> Wombert: like I said, I've had this FS laptop for a year and a half, and not one glitch. nothing.
23:17 < Wombert> they often can't offer the same set of features
23:17 < Wombert> for instance, only high end windows laptops have DVI out
23:18 < Wombert> bluetooth is still not common among windows laptops either
23:18 < v-dogg> it isn't?
23:18 < Wombert> not for 1000 euros
23:18 < v-dogg> I've seen only business models then
23:19 < Wombert> many have a separate spdif out jack instead of combining them with the headphone out, for example
23:19 < Wombert> (macs have digital in, too)
23:20 < v-dogg> off to bed, have to get up at 5 am :(
23:20 < v-dogg> see ya
23:20 < horros_> I just did a quick survey. checking laptops in the range of 800-1200e, most of them had bluetooth :I
23:21 < Wombert> horros_: yeah it fortunately is changing
23:21 < Wombert> but yet, you don't get bluetooth mice, for instance
23:21 < Wombert> only stupid "notebook" mini mice with a usb stick etc
23:21 < Wombert> because many many comsumer laptops haven't had bt for a very long time
23:21 < horros_> you don't get bluetooth mice?
23:22 < horros_> I distinctly remember friend of mine using a bluetooth mouse.
23:23 < Wombert> yeah, yeah, sure
23:24 < horros_> http://www.radtech.us/Products/BT500.aspx
23:24 < horros_> Oooh
23:24 < horros_> I want one of those
23:24 < horros_> this trackpad is hideous
23:27 < Wombert> horros_: these are way too rare unfortunately
23:27 < Wombert> most usb mice you can buy here come with a bluetooth dongle
23:27 < Wombert> sucks
23:27 < Wombert> still
23:27 < Wombert> there are some things you can say about a mac whilst comparing it to _all_ other brands
23:28 < Wombert> the design, for instance
23:28 < Wombert> there is _no_ pc laptop
23:28 < Wombert> where the front
23:28 < Wombert> back
23:28 < Wombert> top
23:28 < Wombert> and bottom
23:28 < Wombert> and all sides
23:28 < Wombert> are totally flush
23:28 < Wombert> with connectors layed out resonably, and only on the left and right
23:30 < horros_> it all boils down to this:
23:30 < horros_> there's not one single type of computer and not a single operating system I really *LIKE* to use.
23:30 < horros_> they ALL suck
23:30 < horros_> one way or the other
23:30 < horros_> ALL of them
23:30 < horros_> :(
23:31 < horros_> I think I'm going to buy a Sun workstation next time, and see how much I hate that :)
23:37 < Wombert> how abou
23:37 < Wombert> t
23:37 < Wombert> a mac :) and parallels :)
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23:38 < Wombert> hi Kador
23:38 < Wombert> thanks for the .po file
23:38 < Kador> hi
23:38 < Wombert> I'm committing it right now
23:38 < Kador> Had some spare time
23:38 < Wombert> is belgian dutch different?
23:39 < Wombert> well I'll probably use nl_BE anyway
23:39 < Kador> a little bit
23:39 < Wombert> number formatting or anything?
23:39 < Wombert> mh let me have a look :)
23:39 < Kador> Someone from the Netherlands might do it different
23:40 < Kador> Belgium uses a komma for decimal separation
23:40 < Wombert> ha!
23:40 < Wombert> true
23:40 < Wombert> cool!
23:40 < Kador> Not sure what The Netherlands use
23:40 < Wombert> they use the same
23:40 < Wombert> BUT
23:40 < Wombert> currencies are different
23:40 < Wombert> belgium puts the currency symbol after the amount
23:40 < Kador> We also use Azerty keyboards (not that that's got anthing to do with this)
23:41 < Wombert> netherlands put it in front
23:41 < Kador> They do?
23:41 < Wombert> yep
23:41 < Kador> You learn something new every day
23:41 < Wombert> with a space character
23:41 < Wombert> at least that's what the CLDR data tells me
23:41 < Kador> And Germany?
23:41 < Wombert> we do it like you
23:41 < Wombert> U.S. and UK put it in front, too, but without a space char
23:42 < Wombert> so what's the full language description then
23:42 < Kador> BTW, in Belgium there are three languages (Dutch/Flemish, French and German)
23:42 < Wombert> yeah I know that ;)
23:42 < Kador> Not many people do
23:42 < Wombert> Nederlands (Belgie) ?
23:42 < Kador> Most seem to think we speak french
23:42 < Wombert> with two dots over the e ?
23:43 < Kador> Yes, that's it.
23:43 < Wombert> okay
23:43 < Kador> I blame Hercule Poirot
23:43 < Kador> So, how many languages have you got then? 4?
23:45 < Wombert> four
23:45 < Wombert> chinese is translated already but I don't have the .po file yet
23:45 < Wombert> splatch` can probably translate to polish
23:45 < Wombert> Kubicek to czech
23:45 < Wombert> dunno where EleRas is from
23:45 < EleRas> germany
23:45 < Wombert> raidman is from iran, he speaks farsi and armenian I believe
23:46 < Kador> Never heard of Farsi
23:46 < Wombert> that's what they speak in Iran, for example :)
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23:46 < Wombert> devosc was from the US, if I'm not mistaken
23:46 < Wombert> Macca is from Down Under, he could probably translate it to australian english
23:46 < Wombert> which involves tons of "bloody" and "fuckin" :)
23:47 < Wombert> (see also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pMOBVX88Kg )
23:47 < Kador> I thought about trying french, but it's just been too long
23:47 < Kador> Most difficult word to translate to dutch was disabled
23:49 < Wombert> Kador: how many plural forms does Dutch have?
23:49 < Wombert> one car, two cars, three cars
23:49 < Wombert> anything else?
23:49 < Wombert> no, right?
23:50 < Kador> een wagen, twee wagens, drie wagens
23:50 < Wombert> okay
23:50 < Wombert> some languages have special forms
23:51 < Kador> I saw something in the de and fi versions about plural but didn't get the syntax
23:52 < Wombert> I don't understand it either
23:53 < Wombert> it apaprently defines conditional expressions that then determine the index for the plural msgstr array
23:54 < Kador> btw, I used poedit under winXp for the translation and it had problems with "Alternative language(s):"
23:54 < Wombert> yeah
23:54 < Wombert> it sucks
23:54 < Wombert> how did you do it?
23:54 < Kador> had to edit the file manually in vim
23:55 < Wombert> I think you have to do open catalogue from POT..., then pick messages.pot, then enter your language info
23:55 < Wombert> or so
23:55 < Kador> yeah, that went allright, except for the alternative language string
23:56 < Kador> doesn't like plural or something
23:56 < Wombert> I had it working once
23:56 < Wombert> when I opened the _de file
23:56 < Wombert> I _think_
23:56 < Wombert> you have to enter a rule string in this dialog
23:56 < Wombert> for plural forms
23:56 < Wombert> I'll try that later
23:56 < Wombert> really stupid
23:57 < Wombert> it should come packaged with rules for the languages
23:57 < Wombert> hah!
23:57 < Wombert> hit a problem
23:57 < Wombert> time to write a routing callback, it seems
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00:00 < Wombert> as you probably all saw, the index page is untranslated
00:01 < Wombert> I'll add translated templates support later
00:02 < Kador> I'm looking at the code for the sample app right now
00:03 < CIA-11> david * r1126 /trunk/samples/ (5 files in 4 dirs): dutch (belgium) translation for sample app, thanks Koen
00:04 < Wombert> oooh man
00:04 < Wombert> this will be a _perfect_ routing callback
00:04 < Wombert> it's even gonna showcase onGenerate :)
00:05 < Wombert> Kador: I'll assume your dutch translation is okay for the netherlands, too, just for example's sake
00:05 < Wombert> and then set up to versions
00:05 < Kador> I think so, most differences are in pronunciation
00:05 < Wombert> yeah
00:05 < Wombert> it's just gonna show
00:05 < Wombert> how to have "optimal" urls
00:05 < Kador> And a few different words here and there
00:05 < Wombert> e.g. /en/
00:06 < Wombert> but /nl_NL/
00:06 < Wombert> and /nl_BE/
00:06 < Wombert> with different number formatting, too
00:06 < Wombert> and the routing callback will choose the shortest version
00:06 < Kador> I'll really have to look into all that routing stuff and the internationalisation too
00:07 < Kador> it all sounds intruiging
00:07 < Wombert> the sample app is XMLRPC capable, too
00:07 < Wombert> you know the irc bot, right?
00:07 < Kador> With xlmrpc.php instead of index.php?
00:07 < Wombert> yep
00:08 < Kador> yep, i've met the bot
00:08 < Kador> Is there a list of stuff it does?
00:09 < Wombert> the bot?
00:09 < Wombert> or the XMLRPC interface?
00:09 < Wombert> or agavi?
00:09 < Wombert> :>
00:09 < Kador> the bot
00:09 < Wombert> W
00:09 < Wombert> T
00:09 < Wombert> F
00:10 < Wombert> "You have no permission to post here (suspected spam). If this is not right, please send your post to the administration so the filters can be adjusted."
00:10 < Wombert> on pastebin.ca
00:10 < Wombert> it doesn't do much
00:10 < Kador> what were you trying to post?
00:10 < Wombert> the code isn't public (yet) either
00:10 < Wombert> I think it's much rather my ISP's IP range that's banned
00:10 < Wombert> an XMLRPC client sample for you
00:10 < Wombert> so you can test it
00:11 < Kador> right now I don't have access to a php environment, just using my wife's laptop
00:11 < Wombert> http://pastie.caboo.se/17546
00:11 < Wombert> do you know XMLRPC a bit?
00:12 < Wombert> you call a method on the remote server
00:12 < Wombert> pass it arguments
00:12 < Wombert> and it returns data
00:12 < Kador> i've used the SoapClient extension
00:12 < Wombert> the nice thing here is that without the routing, you use method names like that: ModuleName:Sub.Action
00:12 < Wombert> with routing on, you use the routing to map method names to actions
00:14 < Kador> something you would normally do on the server with mod_rewrite?
00:14 < Wombert> no, you can't do that with mod_rewrite
00:14 < Wombert> the method name is in the XMLRPC request envelope
00:14 < Wombert> inside the XML submitted as POST data
00:14 < Wombert> but for normal web apps, you can use the routing to do stuff similar to mod_rewrite
00:14 < Wombert> BUT
00:14 < Wombert> it's a lot more powerful
00:15 < Wombert> because you give routes a name
00:15 < Wombert> and with that name, you can generate a URL in your template (or view) code
00:15 < Wombert> and it's more flexible, too
00:15 < Wombert> because you can use callbacks, for example
00:16 < Wombert> I'm writing a callback that will check if the language in the URL is an available locale
00:16 < Kador> are those the $r->gen('secure') calls in the Master.php template
00:16 < Wombert> and it will also check cookis etc to see if you had set a locale on the last visit
00:16 < Wombert> yes, exactly
00:16 < Wombert> these are very basic routes, though
00:16 < Wombert> the main difference about our routing is that you can use regular expressions inside them
00:17 < Wombert> something many other frameworks don't allow
00:17 < Wombert> also, our routes can be nested
00:17 < Wombert> and used to match other things than just the URL
00:17 < Wombert> <route pattern="application/xhtml+xml" source="_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT]" output_type="xhtml" stop="false" />
00:17 < Wombert> that's a bad example, tho
00:17 < Kador> sounds like it can get quite complex
00:18 < Wombert> let's say your app supports AJAX via JSON
00:18 < Wombert> <route pattern="text/javascript" source="_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT]" output_type="json" stop="false" />
00:18 < Kador> So, right now I always had to do $ctrl->genurl(null, $parameters);
00:18 < Kador> to gen a link to another action
00:18 < Wombert> now you use the routing
00:18 < Wombert> and you get back a nice URL
00:19 < Wombert> or, if routing is disabled, an oldschool URL
00:19 < Kador> now I can just define a route to that action and get it?
00:19 < Wombert> note that you still have to use mod_rewrite and friends to remove index.php from the URL
00:19 < Wombert> yep
00:19 < Wombert> and... if you change the route, you don't have to change the code
00:19 < Wombert> <route name="search_engine_spam" pattern="^/products(/buy-cheap-{name:[\S\s]+}-at-agavi-dot-org)?/(id:\d+)" module="Default" action="SearchEngineSpam">
00:19 < Kador> that's cool
00:19 < Wombert> see the curly braces?
00:20 < Kador> right now i have some classes to do the generating of those urls based on a config file
00:20 < Wombert> inside the curly braces, that's the actual value that will be matched
00:20 < Wombert> the rest are prefixes and postfixes
00:20 < Wombert> because that part of the URL is optional (? after the closing brace)
00:20 < Wombert> http://127.0.0.1/~dzuelke/_projects/agavi/trunk/samples/pub/index.php/de_DE/products/buy-cheap-viagra-at-agavi-dot-org/4815162342
00:20 < Wombert> gets matched
00:20 < Wombert> and
00:21 < Wombert> http://127.0.0.1/~dzuelke/_projects/agavi/trunk/samples/pub/index.php/de_DE/products/4815162342
00:21 < Wombert> too
00:21 < Kador> impressive
00:21 < Kador> You are going to need a very good tutorial or manual for all of this though
00:22 < Wombert> yes
00:22 < Kador> Otherwise it's just going to sit there and not be used
00:22 < Wombert> word
00:23 < Wombert> that's why we won't change anything after 0.11
00:23 < Wombert> except for tests and documentation
00:23 < Kador> I think you might also want to do a bigger sample app
00:23 < Wombert> we will
00:23 < Wombert> the IRC Bot is gonna be one
00:23 < Wombert> and we thought about adding a bookshop
00:23 < Kador> something wich explains forwarding and how to use it
00:24 < Wombert> based on Propel
00:24 < horros_> mmm
00:24 < horros_> propel
00:24 < Wombert> that uses propel's bookstore
00:24 < horros_> <3
00:27 < Wombert> awww
00:27 < Wombert> the routing is broken
00:27 < Wombert> :S
00:27 < Wombert> ah
00:27 < Wombert> that's better
00:27 < Wombert> :)
00:28 < Wombert> Specified ambigious locale identifier nl@currency=GBP which has matches: nl_BE, nl_NL
00:28 < Wombert> ewwwww
00:28 < Wombert> nice!
00:28 < Wombert> :>
00:28 < Wombert> now ze callback
00:41 < Wombert> HAH!
00:41 < Wombert> a /nl/ causes 404
00:41 < Wombert> and /nl_BE/ works
00:41 < Wombert> sweet
00:48 < Kador> is there some action/view in the sample app where output from multiple actions is combined?
00:48 < Wombert> no
00:49 < Wombert> there's no slot in the sample app
00:49 < Wombert> but it uses decorators
00:49 < Wombert> slots work the same as in 0.10, but you can now pass arguments to them, too
00:49 < Wombert> they'll be merged into the request parameters for that slot
00:49 < Kador> i never quite got the whole decorator thing
00:50 < Wombert> it's easy
00:50 < Wombert> the action is run, the template in the view rendered
00:50 < Kador> it's usefull for simple views
00:50 < Wombert> then that output is given to the decorator template, which is then rendered
00:50 < Wombert> you can have slots, these are actions that will be run, too
00:50 < Wombert> their output is available in the decoratot template as well
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00:51 < Kador> I could follow as long as it was about the output for one action
00:54 < Wombert> in the view
00:54 < Wombert> you define "slots"
00:54 < Wombert> $this->setSlot('slotname', 'ModuleName', 'ActionName');
00:54 < Wombert> this action will be run after the template is rendered
00:54 < Wombert> it's just a normal action
00:54 < Wombert> its output will be put into the template variable "slotname"
00:55 < Wombert> and is available for output in the decorator template
00:55 < Kador> yes, I think I got that.
00:55 < Wombert> I'll see if I can add a slot to the sample app
00:56 < Kador> Problem I had was this:
00:56 < Kador> One action showed a list of people
00:56 < Kador> Other action showed individual people
00:56 < Kador> Other action showed a list of organisations
00:57 < Kador> And another one showed individual organisations
00:57 < Kador> Each of them used the decorator in the view for the master template
00:58 < Kador> Now, an individual organisations contains a list of people
00:58 < Kador> I wanted to somehow reuse the code for the list of all people, but never quite managed it within the framework itself
00:59 < Wombert> and you wanted to have all these actions on one page?
00:59 < Kador> So I wrote some helper classs for that
00:59 < Kador> No, there are 4 pages
01:00 < Kador> 1 = all People
01:00 < Wombert> yeah okay
01:00 < Wombert> but
01:00 < Kador> 2 = One Person
01:00 < Wombert> why reuse the list of code for all people
01:00 < Wombert> it's only done on one page, right?
01:00 < Kador> 3 = All Organisations
01:00 < Kador> 4 = One org + all it's people
01:01 < Wombert> aaah
01:01 < Wombert> okay :)
01:01 < Kador> It's basically the same collection, just with a different filter
01:01 < Wombert> yes
01:01 < Wombert> in 0.11, you would have done it this way:
01:01 < Wombert> or
01:01 < Wombert> hmm
01:01 < Wombert> actually, 0.11 can't do that properly either
01:01 < Wombert> you would use a different master template
01:02 < Wombert> and then pass an argument to the slot in case 4 that tells it not to set up a decorator itself
01:02 < Wombert> in essence, the entire execution flow and layout system is pretty fucked up
01:02 < Kador> And then i might have a project with a list of all the people who worked on it
01:02 < Wombert> one of the things we want to change for 2.0
01:02 < Kador> saw the ticket
01:03 < Kador> Most of my app consistst of list pages and then pages for the individuals wich in term might have lists for subitems themselves
01:05 < Kador> So in the end I wrote a class that takes a DomainItem and a config array and renders it and another one that takes a Collection of DomainObjets and renders a list.
01:06 < Kador> anyway, thanks for all the info
01:07 < Kador> I'm starting to see where 0.11 is going and I think it's looking good
01:07 < Kador> Bye
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09:09 < raidman> mornin'
09:12 < Wombert> hi raidman
09:12 < Wombert> wanna translate the sample app, too?
09:14 < raidman> hmm?
09:14 < raidman> to farsi?
09:14 < Wombert> yeah, why not
09:14 < raidman> surely :)
09:15 < raidman> I'll start to translate it today at home
09:20 < Wombert> cool
09:20 < Wombert> I'm just working on adding two chinese translations :)
09:21 < raidman> nice
09:24 < Wombert> yeah
09:24 < Wombert> it is
09:24 < Wombert> looks cool :)
09:25 < Wombert> gotta change some things, the list is growing too fast
09:30 < Wombert> but first
09:30 < Wombert> a shower
09:30 < Wombert> coffee
09:30 < Wombert> and
09:30 < Wombert> some toast
09:30 < Wombert> :)
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09:45 < Wombert> epaulin: thanks for the translations!
09:45 < Wombert> the variant wasn't necessary, agavi handles that automatically ;)
09:46 < epaulin> Wombert: :-) happy to
09:46 < Wombert> I'm currently writing a routing callback that stores the last language in a cookie and so on
09:46 < Wombert> and also picks the shortest version of the locale name
09:46 < epaulin> that's nice
09:47 < Wombert> i.e. it uses "de" for "de_DE", but "zh_CN" for "zh_CN", because that's ambiguous
09:47 < Wombert> is traditional chinese more difficult to read?
09:47 < epaulin> not difficult for who familiar, just symbols :-)
09:48 < epaulin> actully, traditional more pictorial
09:50 < Wombert> oh and... from what I understand, simplified chinese is used in China and Singapore, while traditional is used in Hongong, Macao and the ROC, right?
09:50 < Wombert> now let's say I add zh_CN and zh_TW, and these are used in the URL, too
09:51 < Wombert> would someone from Hongkong be annoyed, because he has zh_TW in the URL, and not zh_HK ?
09:51 < Wombert> because, say, he doesn't like how Taiwan wants to be independent
09:52 < Wombert> I understand this whole Taiwan thing is a bit problematic, right?
09:52 < Wombert> would it be better to have zh_Hans and zh_Hant ? for simplified and traditional?
09:52 < Wombert> agavi supports that, too ;)
09:52 < epaulin> problematic for politician, not me.
09:53 < Wombert> okay :)
09:53 < Wombert> that's what I wanted to now
09:53 < Wombert> know
09:53 < epaulin> i think most HK people support that too.
09:53 < Wombert> heh yeah probably
09:59 < Wombert> this simplified vs tradtional thing, epaulin
09:59 < Wombert> is simplified the reason why many people these days have trouble understanding a newspaper?
10:00 < Wombert> are the characters more ambiguous?
10:00 < Wombert> I heard that in order to reach a large audience, newspapers etc must reduce the characters they use to something around 2000
10:00 < Wombert> because otherwise, many people would have to look up words all the time
10:00 < Wombert> but that leads to many misunderstandings
10:03 < epaulin> Wombert: from what i can see, simplified isn't a reason.
10:03 < Wombert> so it's just the fact that many people don't know a lot of words?
10:05 < epaulin> people who know it well probably don't read newspaper anymore,
10:06 < Wombert> just the internet?
10:06 < epaulin> and most young people educated well, I think well to understand most newspaper.
10:06 < Wombert> yeah
10:07 < Wombert> where exactly are you from?
10:07 < epaulin> hmm, newspaper sucks, internet sucks too.
10:07 < Wombert> I heard the Wikipedia is accessible from China again?
10:07 < epaulin> Wombert: china
10:07 < Wombert> since yesterday or so
10:07 < Wombert> yeah I know
10:07 < epaulin> just en. not zh
10:07 < Wombert> but where in china :)
10:10 < epaulin> middle china, HeFei, AnHui province
10:11 < Wombert> man
10:12 < Wombert> these chinese cities
10:12 < Wombert> are just soooooo large
10:12 < epaulin> The newspaper and internet all censored, so for me, rarely read anymore
10:12 < epaulin> hehe, so many poeple.
10:13 < Wombert> I never heard of Hefei before, and it has 4m people (including the area)
10:13 < Wombert> I'm from Munich (where BMW etc are from, the Oktoberfest is here, too, maybe you heard of it), it's one of three cities with over 1 million people...
10:14 < epaulin> including the countryside, 2m urban probably
10:14 < Wombert> yeah
10:14 < Wombert> it's so amazing... whatever city you look up in china, there seems to be at least 1m people in each :)
10:14 < Wombert> I have to go visit china soon
10:14 < epaulin> yeah, i known, nice place.
10:14 < epaulin> Oh, that's nice
10:14 < Wombert> a friend of mine is from Guangzhou and he said I'll have to come with him and he'll show me around
10:15 < Wombert> I once sent him some amazing landscape photos from china and he said "ooooh I have to go and see all that before it's all gone" :)
10:15 < Wombert> you said the stuff is all censored, but how do you get information then?
10:15 < Wombert> satellite tv?
10:16 < epaulin> satellite tv illegal here,
10:17 < Wombert> hmm
10:17 < Wombert> I think it'll get better over time.
10:17 < epaulin> some sites hosted overseas, for me through tor get them.
10:17 < Wombert> yeah
10:18 < epaulin> I think so too, but maybe a long time.
10:18 < Wombert> I can understand why the government thinks a censored press is better for the country
10:18 < Wombert> it certainly is more stable this way, and the stability is needed to keep up the economic growth
10:19 < Wombert> but trust me, they'll one day understand that a free press is a chance, not a threat
10:20 < Wombert> and I guess you can't talk about it too much without risking to get in trouble either ;)
10:21 < epaulin> rational talk is ok, just don't do anything stupid, like i want revolution.
10:22 < epaulin> no one want to see it, including me.
10:22 < Wombert> I think that's not needed either
10:22 < Wombert> yeah exactly
10:22 < Wombert> you know
10:22 < Wombert> as a european, you find these stories often worrying
10:22 < Wombert> especially from russia
10:23 < Wombert> where the situation is now getting worse each day
10:23 < Wombert> journalists are shot etc
10:23 < epaulin> i hear of that, terrible
10:24 < Wombert> and I'm sure, the situation for you will change
10:25 < Wombert> china is catching up very fast
10:25 < Wombert> and once you have catched up
10:25 < Wombert> the government will decide that it's now time to address these other issues, such as censorship and so on
10:26 < Wombert> the quick economic growth brings a lot of problems, such as unequality of wealth, worker's rights, or environmental pollution
10:26 < Wombert> but all growing economies have that
10:26 < Wombert> and had that
10:26 < Wombert> and they all solved it
10:27 < Wombert> in china, it's just on a way bigger scale
10:27 < Wombert> but you're a smart enough people to solve that :)
10:27 < Wombert> a lot of people use an example when talking about such stuff in general, and about china's situation in particular:
10:28 < Wombert> the symbol for "risk" also means "opportunity", right?
10:28 < Wombert> :)
10:28 < Wombert> I love that. It's a very cool attitude. Something we Europeans sure can learn from
10:28 < epaulin> Hehe, maybe,
10:30 < epaulin> The most big opportunity ever is Six.Four, and everyone messed it up.
10:31 < Wombert> ?
10:32 < Wombert> I didn't understand that :)
10:32 < epaulin> now, these days, economic seems growth well, but environmental pollution/corruption/worker's rights problem coming.
10:32 < epaulin> Tiananmen (square), did't known that?
10:32 < Wombert> ah
10:33 < Wombert> that was on June 4 ?
10:33 < Wombert> yeah I know about it, I just didn't know that acronym for it
10:33 < Wombert> yeah it's one of these situations I think where the government got panic
10:33 < Wombert> but see
10:33 < epaulin> tragical day.
10:33 < Wombert> that's what I mean
10:34 < Wombert> your country is growing so fast
10:34 < Wombert> and one day
10:34 < Wombert> there is the point
10:34 < Wombert> where it's better to talk about things openly
10:34 < Wombert> instead of suppressing them
10:34 < Wombert> I'm very sure about that
10:35 < Wombert> right now, it's not a problem that things are censored, or that a lot of stuff isn't talked about openly (I understand environmental pollution _is_ something people talk about a lot, right? I often hear about the government official for the environment complaining how the situation is getting worse and worse)
10:35 < Wombert> but one day, when a lot of people have access to information, when a lot of problems get more urgent
10:35 < epaulin> Yeah, will see, things getting better, definitely
10:36 < Wombert> the risk of revolts or so becomes too high, and they'll ease the restrictions
10:37 < Wombert> I think the government does what they think is best for the country in order to grow and get closer to the west, become a economical superpower
10:37 < Wombert> if they decide that censorship is bad for the growth (and they will one day decide that), they'll just abandon it
10:38 < epaulin> just in economical, but not political.
10:38 < Wombert> you mean a superpower?
10:38 < epaulin> i mean getting closer to the west.
10:39 < Wombert> ah
10:39 < Wombert> I think that will change, too
10:39 < Wombert> there comes a certain point where they just can't grow more without political change
10:39 < epaulin> political, them want to more closer to the North Korea
10:39 < Wombert> are you sure?
10:40 < epaulin> these assholes
10:40 < Wombert> just think about how many people are travelling these days
10:40 < epaulin> so we need to keep pushing them
10:40 < Wombert> yeah
10:40 < epaulin> to sure they don't getting to that way
10:40 < Wombert> North Korea... I don't understand why the world doesn't do anything about it
10:40 < Wombert> and I don't understand why China's government is putting more pressure on them
10:40 < epaulin> beacuse us?
10:41 < Wombert> thousands of people die there every month because they don't have anything to eat
10:41 < epaulin> I think them did,
10:41 < epaulin> bu just not work.
10:41 < Wombert> and all the regime does is build nuclear bombs
10:41 < Wombert> yeah
10:41 < epaulin> these communism assholes,
10:41 < Wombert> it really is sad
10:42 < Wombert> the people in NK are suffering a lot
10:42 < Wombert> all because of some weird people in the government
10:42 < epaulin> I known a liitle bit od that,
10:42 < epaulin> HK people fight for they right everyday.
10:43 < epaulin> rights
10:43 < epaulin> Oops, you mean NK
10:43 < Wombert> ah
10:43 < Wombert> yeah
10:44 < Wombert> well Hong Kong is the same
10:44 < epaulin> Yeah, they suffering everyday,
10:44 < Wombert> okay
10:44 < Wombert> not the same
10:44 < Wombert> but they're fighting, too, and they should
10:44 < Wombert> they're guaranteed independency for 50 years
10:44 < Wombert> and I understand that China's trying to undermine that autonomy
10:44 < Wombert> trying to change things
10:44 < Wombert> but it's good that people are opposing it and go on the streets
10:45 < ttj> My god... Some small furry creature must've crawled into my mouth and died there last night. :-/
10:45 < epaulin> they should,
10:45 < Wombert> ttj: LOL
10:46 < ttj> At least the taste in my mouth right now supports that idea.
10:46 < Wombert> yeah I had a sore throat too, this morning
10:46 < Wombert> you can feel how it's getting winter already
10:46 < Wombert> what's the weather like in finland?
10:46 < Wombert> you guys need spike tyres already? :)
10:46 < ttj> Rainy.
10:46 < ttj> Oh, no.
10:47 < ttj> Luckily I don't need to worry about winter tires; no car. :P
10:47 < Wombert> yeah they're horribly expensive aren't they
10:47 < Wombert> man that would annoy me
10:47 < ttj> Car's? Yeah. :-(
10:47 < ttj> -'
10:47 < Wombert> just like this
10:47 < Wombert> errr
10:48 < Wombert> what are the shops called where you buy alcohol
10:48 < ttj> Alko for anything stronger than beer.
10:48 < Wombert> right
10:48 < Wombert> that's so weird
10:48 < ttj> Yeah, sort of sucks. A monopoly.
10:52 < epaulin> >> would it be better to have zh_Hans and zh_Hant ? for simplified and traditional?
10:52 < epaulin> not necessary, in Liunx, if there is no such locale, then will looking into to the LANGUAGES setting
10:52 < epaulin> eg: LANGUAGE"zh_HK:zh_TW:zh_CN", it these failed, back to C,
10:52 < epaulin> and zh_Hans and zh_Hant not in common use.
10:53 < epaulin> mostly just zh_CN zh_HK, zh_TW.
10:53 < epaulin> should we leave these to the developer?
10:53 < Wombert> yeah
10:54 < Wombert> well...
10:54 < Wombert> we don't use system locales
10:54 < Wombert> so it's not a problem
10:54 < Wombert> for example, we also support stuff like sr_Latn_YU_REVISED@currency=EUR
10:55 < Wombert> that's Serbian, Latin script, Yugoslavia, with revisted orthography and currency set to EURO
10:55 < Wombert> :)
10:55 < Wombert> look at src/translation/data/ :)
11:10 < epaulin> hm, I didn't understand it totallly, my english sucks
11:10 < Wombert> your english is good!
11:10 < Wombert> and much better than my chinese could ever be ;)
11:11 < epaulin> he, sure.
11:11 < Wombert> I once wanted to learn chinese but
11:11 < Wombert> it's just a lot too difficult
11:11 < Wombert> anyway
11:11 < Wombert> uhm
11:11 < Wombert> hmm
11:11 < Wombert> well we don't use system locales, and therefor no LANGUAGE etc
11:12 < epaulin> I known that,
11:12 < Wombert> the CLDR data defines fallbacks already if I'm not mistaken
11:13 < epaulin> hmm, didn't say we use LANGUAGE, but maybe the way linux handle this we can learn from.
11:14 < epaulin> And the zh_Hans/zh_Hant thing looks ugly.
11:19 < epaulin> fallbacks works well, and i still think zh_CN / zh_TW enough for people who use Hans.
11:22 < epaulin> If someone need zh_HK or zh_MO, etc, just add they owen definition
11:24 < raidman> Wombert, I have a problem
11:25 < Wombert> epaulin: these are all defined anyway
11:25 < raidman> Wombert, I need to change direction in there too
11:25 < Wombert> raidman: ?
11:25 < Wombert> raidman: ah
11:25 < Wombert> yeah
11:25 < Wombert> edit it in UTF8
11:25 < Wombert> just enter your stuff
11:25 < Wombert> I'll take care of text direction in the template
11:25 < Wombert> (at least I hope I'll be able to)
11:26 < Wombert> raidman: or is it a problem to edit right to left in the .po file?
11:27 < raidman> no
11:27 < Wombert> okay :)
11:27 < raidman> you know I'll do it if you ask me how to get current languege direction
11:27 < Wombert> I don't know yet
11:28 < raidman> okey
11:28 < Wombert> I'll add that to the sample app once I have your trnslation file so I can test it etc
11:29 < raidman> or I can make RTLed one for you, it's very simple for me
11:29 < raidman> I'll sent patch
11:34 < Wombert> it shouldn't be a problem
11:34 < Wombert> I think I only need the .po file
11:35 < raidman> okey
11:36 < Wombert> be sure to add a plural forms info in the .po
11:36 < Wombert> if your editor doesn't add one
11:37 < raidman> okey
11:50 < raidman> Wombert, I just want to test it, it formated to mo with fa name and it's in i18n now
11:50 < raidman> then what to do?
11:50 < Wombert> best idea would probably be to send me the .po file
11:50 < Wombert> because I'm changing a lot right now
11:50 < Wombert> or do you mean how to activate the language?
11:51 < Wombert> just a new entry in translation.xml
11:51 < Wombert> for fa_IR
11:51 < raidman> yes I mean that, okey
11:55 < raidman> hmm, It's still in en what's wrong?
11:57 < Wombert> mo file in the right place?
11:58 < Wombert> HA
11:58 < Wombert> the cookie works!
11:58 < Wombert> :>>>
11:58 < Wombert> mmh
11:58 < Wombert> almost
12:01 < raidman> data/i18n/
12:01 < raidman> fa.mo
12:01 < raidman> let me clear cache
12:04 < raidman> it was in routing
12:04 < raidman> yeah it works :>>>>>>>>>>>>>
12:04 < raidman> perfect, nice :)
12:05 < Wombert> very cool
12:05 < Wombert> once dominik is finished with the date stuff
12:05 < Wombert> I'll also add a small sample for that
12:05 < Wombert> so you can see how each locale has their own date formatting
12:05 < raidman> coooooooooooool
12:05 < Wombert> you'll get persian calendar formatting then for fa_IR
12:06 < raidman> I love agavi and you guys, great work
12:06 < Wombert> note how the number formatting in SearchEngineSpam is correct for your locale
12:06 < Wombert> is it?
12:06 < Wombert> everything okay there?
12:06 < Wombert> , and . for separation?
12:06 < Wombert> and is the currency symbol in the right place?
12:06 < Wombert> (it should be the pound sign for all locales, that's a bug)
12:07 < raidman> currency is correct but I can't tel any thing about place because every thing is ltr, after rtlizing I'll ask you
12:08 < Wombert> k
12:09 < Wombert> hmm
12:09 < Wombert> there's another bug in the routing
12:09 < Wombert> I gotta fix that later
12:09 < Wombert> the routing callback for cookies etc is almost done
12:09 < Wombert> can you email me the .po file?
12:09 < Wombert> dz@bitxtender.com
12:10 < Wombert> I'll do some shopping now
12:10 < Wombert> talk to you later
12:19 < raidman> back
12:19 < raidman> let me fix some problems in that translation
12:45 < raidman> Wombert, done! check your mail
12:50 < raidman> :)]
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15:15 < Arme[N]> I have to go guys
15:15 < Arme[N]> I'll catch you later :)
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17:15 < Wombert> lol
17:15 < Wombert> http://devzone.zend.com/node/view/id/949
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22:11 < jake> the zend framework _sucks_
22:11 < jake> It's just unbelievable
22:13 < Wombert> :)
22:14 < Wombert> will check in chinese simplified, chinese traditional and farsi translations for the sample app later
22:15 < raidman> hi all :)
22:20 < raidman> Wombert, did you recive my email?
22:21 < Wombert> yes!
22:21 < Wombert> [21:11] jake: the zend framework _sucks_
22:21 < Wombert> [21:11] jake: It's just unbelievable
22:22 < Wombert> [21:13] Wombert:
22:22 < Wombert> [21:14] Wombert: will check in chinese simplified, chinese traditional and farsi translations for the sample app later
22:22 < Wombert> :)
22:24 < jake> who did you get to do a frasi translation? :)
22:25 < Wombert> raidman did it :)
22:25 < Wombert> he's from iran
22:32 < jake> oh nice
22:39 < Wombert> yeah very cool he can test the calender stuff etc
22:39 < Wombert> (they use the persian calendar there)
22:42 < raidman> do you have any plan for handling text direction for Agavi?
22:42 < Wombert> do we need to handle it?
22:43 < Wombert> the locale exposes the text orientation
22:43 < Wombert> anything else needed?
22:44 < raidman> then I can make multi direction template files?
22:44 < Wombert> I think so, yes
22:44 < Wombert> I mean...
22:44 < raidman> you know in sample app menu should be in right for farsi
22:44 < raidman> etc..
22:44 < Wombert> you ahve a lot more experience than I do
22:44 < Wombert> yep, I know
22:45 < jake> who ended up doing the Chinese?
22:46 < raidman> may be this is a smart question, How to get current lang direction in tpl files?
22:46 < Wombert> $locale->getCharacterOrientation()
22:47 < Wombert> raidman: I'll check in the new templates etc soon
22:47 < Wombert> then you can see it
22:47 < Wombert> jake: epaulin did, he's from china
22:47 < raidman> okey
22:48 < jake> excellent. I can do the English translation :)
22:49 < Wombert> haha
22:49 < Wombert> xD
22:51 < raidman> :D
22:52 < jake> heh
22:52 < jake> I think I'm going to go to the zoo today
22:53 < Wombert> oO
22:53 < Wombert> did you get a chance to look at the xmlrpc sutff yet?
22:53 < jake> I'm doing that tonight, it's on my list of code to review :)
23:02 < impl> Symfony users are retarded. :|
23:02 < Wombert> why
23:02 < Wombert> I mean
23:02 < Wombert> yes you're right
23:02 < Wombert> but what did remind you of it yet again
23:02 < impl> Look in #symfony
23:03 < Wombert> l
23:03 < Wombert> o
23:03 < Wombert> l
23:03 < Wombert> ...
23:03 < raidman> :)
23:03 < Wombert> you guys remember the design?
23:03 < impl> Sure
23:04 < Wombert> that diagonal banner in the upper right
23:04 < Wombert> we'll put "not for feckin newbs" in there
23:04 < impl> haha
23:04 < impl> And make it link to Symfony
23:04 < impl> :X
23:04 < Wombert> ggg
23:04 < raidman> lol
23:05 < Wombert> btw guys
23:05 < Wombert> we're workin gon moving the site to a new server
23:05 < Wombert> in our control
23:05 < Wombert> bob said it's okay
23:05 < Wombert> should we add forums again?
23:05 < Wombert> I'm not really sure
23:05 < Wombert> forums are very problematic in terms of support quality
23:06 < impl> I never liked forums much
23:06 < impl> I'm more of a mailing lists/IRC person
23:08 < Wombert> I'll explain my thougts in a minute
23:08 < Wombert> brb
23:18 < raidman> night
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01:14 < CIA-11> david * r1131 /trunk/ (11 files in 6 dirs): Routing, Routing Callbacks and Controller expect Response to initialize() now, that's the global response instance.
01:15 < CIA-11> david * r1132 /trunk/src/routing/AgaviWebRouting.class.php: fixed foobar'd original input parameter storing for same-route generation in routing
01:17 < CIA-11> david * r1133 /trunk/samples/ (13 files in 5 dirs): traditional chinese, simplified chinese and farsi translations, hooray! added routing callback that now handles language cookies and stuff. templates are a bit more RTL-friendly now.
01:17 < CIA-11> david * r1134 /trunk/src/routing/AgaviWebRouting.class.php: oops, removed var_dump
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02:18 < CIA-11> dominik * r1135 /trunk/src/translation/AgaviGettextTranslator.class.php: made the gettext translator obey the Plural-Forms header
02:27 < CIA-11> dominik * r1136 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed overwriting of options for locales requested by the user
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08:58 < Wombert> ^re
08:59 < impl> Uh oh, Wombert is up
08:59 < impl> That means I stayed up too late
08:59 < impl> :<
08:59 < Wombert> haha
08:59 < Wombert> :)
08:59 < Wombert> well
08:59 < Wombert> I woke up
08:59 < Wombert> I have a _very_ sore throat all the time since yesterday
08:59 < Wombert> and a rather big cold in general
09:00 < impl> Aw :(
09:01 < Wombert> and since gulping hurts so much
09:01 < Wombert> my brain decides "uuh don't do it" while I'm asleep
09:01 < Wombert> which means
09:01 < Wombert> I got some feckin huge heartburn now, too
09:01 < Wombert> :S
09:01 < impl> Ouch :\
09:01 < Wombert> yes
09:02 < Wombert> it's rather disgusting, so I'Ll better stop talking about it ;)
09:02 < impl> :P
09:02 < Wombert> yeah and the tea is so hot I'll suffer for another five minutes before I'll finally experience some migitation
09:02 < Wombert> eh
09:02 < Wombert> mitigation
09:02 < Wombert> ?
09:02 < impl> I guess that's right
09:03 < impl> I'd just say 'relief' myself
09:03 < Wombert> :) okay
09:03 < impl> Oh well, it's really quite late now and I should be getting to bed
09:03 < impl> Night :P
09:04 < Wombert> see ya man
09:04 < Wombert> jake: did you see some bears in the zoo
09:04 * Wombert <3 bears
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09:56 -!- Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: http://www.agavi.org/ :: DO NOT use 0.10.2 anymore :: Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness :: We're looking for documentation contributors and developers :: AGAVI.ORG DISK FULL, NO TICKETS/COMMITS/ANYTHING PLEASE! :: http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/milestone/0.11 (90+% already) :: irc logs http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/
09:57 < eremit> oO
09:57 < eremit> morning
09:57 < Wombert> hi
10:00 < Wombert> aaand the site is down
10:00 < Wombert> uuuuh
10:00 < Wombert> the disk is totally full
10:01 < Wombert> even though I deleted around 10M already
10:01 < Wombert> awwwww
10:01 < Wombert> wtf
10:02 < Wombert> I try to delete some /tmp stuff
10:02 < Wombert> ...
10:02 < Wombert> argument list too long oO
10:07 < eremit> are you using rm *
10:07 < eremit> ?
10:07 < Wombert> yes
10:07 < Wombert> but I don't have permission to touch most files anyway
10:07 < eremit> your temp is really huge ...
10:07 < Wombert> it's not mine
10:07 < Wombert> bob's box
10:07 < eremit> ok agavi's
10:09 < eremit> and bob's not reacting ?
10:09 < Wombert> I emailed him five minutes ago
10:09 < Wombert> he's likely in bed already
10:10 < Wombert> or visiting friends with his wife/gf
10:10 < Wombert> or at a bar, drinking
10:10 < Wombert> or whatever xD
10:10 < eremit> hmm ... xD
10:10 < eremit> how far is the progress on the cc stuff ?
10:10 < Wombert> if we're lucky, he'll check his email in 12hrs, read mine and do something about it
10:11 < Wombert> dominik is looking into options for proper sandboxes
10:11 < Wombert> seLinux, or grsecurity etc
10:11 < Wombert> it'll be a piece of cake to set everything I up I reckon
10:11 < Wombert> it's just that the new SVN isn't in testing yet
10:11 < Wombert> so there's no backports
10:11 < Wombert> fuckin debian
10:11 < Wombert> such a retarded OS
10:12 < eremit> use either gentoo or ubuntu ...
10:12 < Wombert> well we can migrate it later if necessary
10:12 < eremit> but ubuntu is too stuck at 1.0.3
10:12 < eremit> if you want a bleeding edge debian ^^ i recommend use ubuntu server installs ;)
10:13 < eremit> that's what i'm using here ... after really getting sick with debian ...
10:13 < Wombert> well we definitely need some free disk space so I can switch off all lights, backup the SVN repos and copy it to the new machine ;)
10:13 < Wombert> or can I hot-copy directly via scp?
10:13 < Wombert> e.g. mount a remote drive or so?
10:13 < eremit> shfs
10:14 < eremit> for mounting drives over sftp/ssh
10:14 < Wombert> okay
10:14 < Wombert> how do I do it
10:14 < eremit> depends on what exactly do you want to archieve ...
10:15 < eremit> do you only want to mirror the svn to another machine ?
10:15 < Wombert> mount a remote directory via ssh
10:15 < Wombert> no
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10:15 < eremit> mount it remotely ...
10:15 < Wombert> I want to to a hot-copy of the svn repos
10:15 < Wombert> and I can't do that locally and then SCP because uhm... the disk is full ^_°
10:15 < Wombert> and how do I do that? xD
10:15 < eremit> mom pls ...
10:15 < Wombert> zy
10:15 < Wombert> ty
10:16 < Wombert> hi raidman
10:16 < raidman> hi Wombert :)
10:16 < raidman> hi all :)
10:16 < Wombert> raidman: farsi translation is now in SVN
10:16 < Wombert> but I have some questions
10:16 < raidman> really, cool :)
10:16 < raidman> go ahead
10:17 < Wombert> can you do an "svn up" and have a look at it maybe?
10:17 < Wombert> so you know what I'm talking about :)
10:17 < raidman> okey
10:18 < raidman> what happend to svn?
10:18 < Wombert> ewww
10:18 < Wombert> is it broken?
10:18 < Wombert> :S
10:18 < raidman> svn: Can't find a temporary directory!
10:18 < Wombert> yeah
10:18 < Wombert> so everything's broken now
10:18 < Wombert> uncool
10:18 < raidman> (
10:18 < Wombert> the disk on agavi.org is full
10:18 < raidman> ah
10:21 < raidman> I think time has come to moving to new server, right?
10:21 < Wombert> yes
10:21 < Wombert> we're working on that already :)
10:21 < Wombert> very bad timing ;)
10:21 < raidman> nice
10:22 < raidman> :)
10:25 < Wombert> btw
10:25 < Wombert> I think the new site should _not_ have a forum
10:25 < eremit> yay ^^
10:25 < raidman> agree
10:25 < Wombert> cool!
10:26 < Wombert> forums are so problematic... they are "pull", you have to look for new threads
10:26 < Wombert> whereas a mailing list is "push"... the mail comes to you, and you read it regularly
10:26 < Wombert> a lot easier
10:26 < Wombert> because... the more experienced users become, the less often they'll visit a forum
10:26 < Wombert> because they don't need help
10:26 < Wombert> so they're not gonna be around and support people
10:26 < raidman> mailing lists, IRC, wiki should be enough IMHO
10:27 < Wombert> the forum ends up as a newbs-help-newbs place
10:27 < Wombert> which sucks
10:27 < Wombert> because nobody gets smarter that way
10:42 < raidman> We will move to Agavi framework at version 0.5 of our CMS :)
10:43 < raidman> it's at 0.3 now
10:43 < Wombert> :)
10:44 < raidman> I think it will be first CMS with Agavi, I'm not sure
10:47 < raidman> I'll catch you latar guys
10:48 < Wombert> cu
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13:32 < shoan> Wombert:
13:37 < Wombert> yeah shoan ?
13:42 < shoan> need help packaging an application
13:42 < shoan> how do you generally package an application built using agavi/propel?
13:43 < shoan> hmm
13:43 < shoan> i guess package is the wrong word. Where do I place the files?
13:44 < Wombert> I usually add a libs/ folder into the project root
13:44 < Wombert> in there, I put agavi/src as "agavi"
13:44 < Wombert> propel-runtime/classes/propel as "propel-runtime"
13:44 < Wombert> propel-generator/ as "propel-generator"
13:44 < Wombert> aaand... creole/classes/creole as "creole"
13:45 < Wombert> then I add that dir (libs/) to the include path in config.php
13:55 < shoan> hmm
13:55 < shoan> you mean like app/libs?
14:39 < Wombert> no
14:39 < Wombert> project/libs
15:30 < Wombert> oooooh
15:30 < Wombert> whenever I'm down
15:30 < Wombert> just like now
15:30 < Wombert> because I have a cold
15:30 < Wombert> all it takes to cheer me up is a look at the symfony forums
15:30 < Wombert> http://www.symfony-project.com/forum/index.php/t/3304/
15:30 < Wombert> m00000h
15:30 < Wombert> ha
15:30 < Wombert> ha
15:30 < Wombert> ha
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15:35 < epaulin> Fabien answerd this questin few days ago at the maillisting, the lastest alpha does support that like :
15:35 < epaulin> showpath:
15:35 < epaulin> url: /show_my_file/:path_to_file
15:35 < epaulin> param: { module: filemanager, action: returnfile }
15:35 < epaulin> requirements: .+
15:35 < Wombert> pathetic
15:35 < kaos> uhm
15:36 < kaos> i wonder when i will complete his ICU parser
15:36 < epaulin> but he also said, not tested.
15:36 < kaos> need something to laugh
15:36 < Wombert> I guess he can't steal our code because he doesn't understand a single line of it
15:36 < kaos> :D
15:36 < epaulin> :-)
15:37 < Wombert> http://www.symfony-project.com/forum/index.php/m/2392/?srch=agavi#msg_2392
15:37 < Wombert> ...
15:38 < epaulin> probably that just take him more time, sure they will take this code.
15:38 < Wombert> so you can't even configure it
15:38 < Wombert> duuuuuude they suck xD
15:42 < epaulin> absolutely, I hate the sf_ thing,
15:44 < epaulin> Wombert: you say that there is a way fo filtering user input, I also noticed there is a closed ticket, http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/ticket/281
15:45 < epaulin> so, filter input duing validation, is that bad?
15:49 < epaulin> hmm, trac is down, hd full again?
15:49 < kaos> yup
15:49 < kaos> gonna move it to a new server
15:49 < kaos> or moving already
15:49 < kaos> depends on the viewport ;)
15:51 < epaulin> that's good, :-)
15:52 < Wombert> epaulin: it works like this
15:52 < Wombert> the request parameters
15:53 < Wombert> are not accessed via $request anymore
15:53 < Wombert> but instead, a ParameterHolder is passed to execeute() of your action and yoir view
15:53 < Wombert> this data will be validated if you have validation set up
15:53 < Wombert> validators can also modify this data
15:53 < Wombert> the nice aspect is that the original data remains unaltered
15:53 < Wombert> this way, the form population works
15:54 < Wombert> the validation system has three modes
15:54 < Wombert> normal, where all request params are handed to the action
15:54 < Wombert> tainted, where only those validation params are forwarded that have been validated
15:54 < Wombert> IF the action has validation set up
15:54 < Wombert> and strict, where you can only access parameters that have been validated
15:57 < epaulin> hmm, but can I do some input filter things during the validation, is that bad smell? Or should I doing this stuff in UserInputFilter which is customed?
15:58 < Wombert> no, validation IS also for filtering!
15:59 < Wombert> for instance, one thing you could do in your validation config is set up a validator that takes three fields for month, day and year, validates that date, and then sets it in the request as a unix timestamp
15:59 < Wombert> only this unix timestamp will be available to the action then
15:59 < Wombert> sorry, not "in the request", but "in the request data for the action and the view"
16:00 < epaulin> maybe sanitize is more correct for what i need.
16:00 < kaos> yes, that ofc belongs to the validation as well
16:00 < epaulin> Like AgaviXssprotectionFilter
16:00 < epaulin> ofc?
16:00 < kaos> of couse
16:00 < kaos> course
16:00 < kaos> sorry
16:02 < kaos> it very much depends on your use case ofc how you would do it in the best way
16:03 < Wombert> that said, nothing is stopping you from setting up generic filters such as XSS protection as a global filter, for instance
16:04 < kaos> which would make more sense then in the validation actually (if its really generic)
16:04 < kaos> since the validation is quite limited to the "current action scope"
16:05 < epaulin> So, I can definitely migrate my user input filter stuff to validation, that's nice,
16:11 < epaulin> just aware there is a export method in AgaviValidator, great
16:17 < kaos> what do you think does it do ? (since its actually for exporting request parameters into the ParameterHolder instance if i remember correctly)
16:17 < kaos> (which is rather confusing when thinking about it)
16:20 < Wombert> yeah I believe that's what it does
16:20 < epaulin> I just did't known it was there.
16:20 < Wombert> IIRC the purpose was to add new parameters to the request
16:20 < Wombert> while the existing ones can just be overwritten
16:20 < Wombert> or something
16:21 < Wombert> rather confusing ain't it
16:21 < Wombert> anyway
16:21 < Wombert> coffee break
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17:33 -!- Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: *.agavi.org DOWN, MOVING TO NEW SERVER :: DO NOT use 0.10.2 anymore :: Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness :: We're looking for documentation contributors and developers :: http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/milestone/0.11 (90+% already) :: irc logs http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/
18:24 < kaos> hmm
18:24 < kaos> you should add: if you want speed, don't use the translation
18:24 < kaos> :p
18:25 < kaos> (i just benchmarked revision 1000 against the current rev ... the results are rather worrying
18:25 < kaos> revision 1000 managed to get 60 req/s with apc enabled on my box (~20 req/s w/o apc)
18:26 < kaos> HEAD only manages to get 20 req/s with apc enabled
18:26 < kaos> and about 8-9 req/s with apc disabled
18:27 < kaos> and i don't wanna know to what this will drop
18:27 < kaos> when i include the 6k lines of the icu calendar port
18:27 < kaos> \o/
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19:02 < digitarald> hello @ll
19:04 < Wombert> hi
19:13 < digitarald> when will agavi.org will be back online?
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19:24 < splatch`> hello :)
19:24 < Wombert> hi!
19:24 < Wombert> :)
19:24 < Wombert> how are you doing
19:25 < splatch`> hmm
19:25 < splatch`> now, i drinkin' tea
19:25 < Wombert> me too
19:25 < Wombert> I'm ill :(
19:26 < splatch`> ill, what for?
19:27 < Wombert> mmh
19:27 < Wombert> just a cold
19:27 < kaos> when i include the 6k lines of the icu calendar port
19:27 < kaos> err
19:27 < kaos> wrong keyboard :]
19:27 < Wombert> x
19:27 < Wombert> D
19:28 < Wombert> D
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19:28 < kaos> (that happens when you want to repeat your last console command ;D)
19:29 < kaos> and wtf xdebug
19:29 < kaos> no profile created
19:29 < kaos> :s
19:29 < raidman> Hi folks
19:30 < kaos> hi
19:30 < Wombert> i18n sample app is ~10 times slower w/APC for me
19:30 < Wombert> there's something wrong
19:30 < Wombert> probably that whole unpack thing
19:30 < kaos> nah
19:30 < kaos> there is no other way
19:31 < kaos> prados i18n uses unpack as well
19:31 < Wombert> couldn't we compile the .mo files to php
19:31 < kaos> yes
19:31 < kaos> thought about that too
19:31 < Wombert> right
19:31 < Wombert> I'll do that then ;)
19:31 < kaos> do a proper cache system first
19:31 < kaos> :P
19:32 < Wombert> my profiling run shows how $tm->_() eats up massive CPU time
19:32 < Wombert> most of that for loadDomainData
19:32 < kaos> as expected
19:32 < Wombert> which does readFile
19:32 < Wombert> which does getString
19:32 < kaos> yes
19:32 < kaos> but if you'd do that in userland
19:32 < kaos> it'd be even slower
19:33 < Wombert> there seems to be quite some overhead in getString() because unpack and substr only account for ~7%
19:34 < Wombert> uuh
19:34 < Wombert> the entire method doesn't contain much else
19:34 < Wombert> prolly the static call then
19:34 < kaos> shouldn't be really
19:35 < kaos> i blame your mac
19:35 < Wombert> :<
19:35 < kaos> and big endianess
19:35 < kaos> :P
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19:36 < splatch> blah
19:36 < splatch> i'll kill my ISP
19:37 < splatch> Wombert: agavi.org was broken?
19:37 < Wombert> it still is
19:37 < Wombert> isn't it
19:37 < Wombert> yeah
19:37 < Wombert> see channel topic
19:39 < splatch> Wombert: sorry :)
19:39 < Wombert> np :)
19:39 < splatch> Wombert: i don't know ill = sick
19:39 < Wombert> aaah
19:39 < Wombert> heh you learn something new every day :)
19:39 < splatch> ill = evail :)
19:39 < splatch> *evil
19:40 < Wombert> I have a cold
19:40 < Wombert> you know what that is?
19:40 < Wombert> if the nose is runny all the time
19:40 < Wombert> and you have to cough
19:40 < Wombert> and the throat hurts
19:40 < Wombert> and your head is all dizzy
19:41 < Wombert> and you have to sneeze
19:41 * splatch eating mum's cake :)
19:42 < splatch> Wombert: we're living in europe, we'll have winter
19:42 < Wombert> yeah
19:42 < Wombert> :(
19:42 < Wombert> I was really looking forward to the winter actually
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19:42 * splatch loves winter :)
19:42 < Wombert> because we get snow
19:42 < Wombert> and you can go ice skating
19:43 < kaos> i HATE winter
19:43 < kaos> but love snow
19:43 < Wombert> and then it's christmas time
19:43 < splatch> hehe :)
19:43 < kaos> (if it'd be 20 i'd be fine :D)
19:43 < impl> Water has an unfortunate melting point, then
19:43 < splatch> Wombert: christmas = marketing and, spend much money
19:43 < Wombert> and you can buy roasted almond
19:43 < Wombert> splatch: I don't mean the commerce around it
19:43 < Wombert> I mean... the feeling
19:43 < impl> Christmas is music and food
19:44 < Wombert> yep
19:44 < Wombert> and atmosphere
19:44 < Wombert> I couldn't care less about presents and all that shit
19:44 < impl> I wish people wouldn't buy presents, it kinda ruins it imo
19:44 < Wombert> mmmh
19:44 < Wombert> let's say
19:44 < Wombert> the scale
19:44 < Wombert> ruins it
19:44 < kaos> hmm
19:44 < kaos> loadCurrentLocale
19:44 < kaos> only 10%
19:44 < kaos> wtf
19:44 < kaos> \o/
19:45 * Wombert whistles some 007 tune
19:45 < kaos> yeah
19:45 < kaos> heh
19:45 < kaos> 13 calls to php::file_get:contents
19:45 < Wombert> doesn'it it call readfile every time?
19:45 < kaos> it does
19:45 < Wombert> haha
19:45 < kaos> for some reason
19:46 < Wombert> so we figured that out at the same time
19:46 < kaos> (no wonder its THAT slow)
19:46 < Wombert> brilliant
19:46 < Wombert> see
19:46 < kaos> but
19:46 < Wombert> two of ze germans working on the same issue
19:46 < kaos> my kcachegrind
19:46 < Wombert> and no faster than one alone
19:46 < kaos> works properly
19:46 < kaos> (i can see the source lines, etc)
19:46 < Wombert> yeah me too
19:46 < Wombert> still getString() is rather slow as well
19:46 < kaos> and its at reasonable speed on that celeron
19:46 < Wombert> I'll try to speed it up a little
19:46 < kaos> compared to either our 128mb ram server
19:46 < kaos> or compared to my 192mb ram router (:D)
19:47 < Wombert> you know what annoys me
19:47 < Wombert> that arrays aren't objects
19:47 < Wombert> and that you can't dereference them
19:47 < Wombert> MAÖSDJASKLHDASUKI
19:47 < Wombert> feckin
19:47 < Wombert> stupid
19:47 < Wombert> php
19:47 < kaos> what would need to dereference in an array?!
19:47 < splatch`> ach ill = sick
19:47 < splatch> yyy
19:47 < Wombert> dereferencing of calls
19:47 < Wombert> I mean
19:48 < Wombert> unpack(...)[0]
19:48 < kaos> ah
19:48 < kaos> yeh
19:48 < splatch> does my irrsi go crazy?
19:48 < Wombert> (I always wondered why _that_ is called dereferencing)
19:48 < kaos> public function loadDomainData($domain)
19:48 < kaos> $this->domainData[$domain] = array('headers' => $headers, 'msgs' => $data);
19:48 < kaos> but an isset($this->domainData[$domain]) fails
19:48 < kaos> wtc
19:48 < kaos> wtf?!
19:49 < kaos> ok, time for the great uber komodo (piece of python shit) ide
19:49 < kaos> :p
19:50 < kaos> btw
19:50 < kaos> Wombert
19:51 < kaos> did you remove the default locale in the sample app?
19:51 < Wombert> errr
19:51 < Wombert> nah
19:51 < kaos> or is something broken there ?
19:51 < Wombert> should I ?
19:51 < kaos> no
19:51 < kaos> but try calling the sample app
19:51 < kaos> w/o any parameters
19:51 < Wombert> might be an issue with that callback thing
19:51 < kaos> will get you invalid locale
19:51 < kaos> you probably overwrite the proper default
19:51 < Wombert> probably
19:52 < kaos> oh
19:52 < kaos> and index.php/de
19:52 < kaos> gives me a error
19:52 < kaos> that the page couldn't be found
19:52 < kaos> (if i add the trailing / it works again)
19:53 < kaos> errm
19:53 < kaos> wtf
19:54 < Wombert> hey stop these swear words :( this is a channel of love :(
19:54 < Wombert> you'll scare off v-dogg and his friends from finland otherwise
19:54 < Wombert> speaking of which
19:55 < Wombert> ttj: did you find the remains of that flurry animal
19:55 < Wombert> xD
19:55 < impl> "wtf"
19:55 < kaos> WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF! :D
19:55 < Wombert> :<
19:55 < kaos> WTF FTW!
19:55 < kaos> ;)
19:55 < Wombert> kaos: yeah the trailing slash thing is normal
19:56 < kaos> zomg
19:56 < kaos> i just did an error
19:56 < kaos> a big one
19:56 < kaos> like usual
19:56 < Wombert> mistake?
19:56 < Wombert> you mean
19:56 < Wombert> ewww
19:56 < kaos> nah
19:56 < kaos> :p
19:56 < kaos> well
19:56 < kaos> we NEED that debugging console
19:56 < kaos> really :s
19:56 < Wombert> yeah I'll write one for 1.0
19:56 < kaos> i am waiting for apache to complete that request from 5 minutes ago
19:56 < Wombert> speaking of which
19:56 < kaos> where i accidently
19:57 < kaos> "accidently" *gg*
19:57 < kaos> put a var_dump before every translation
19:57 < Wombert> splatch or splatch`: we're moving the server, and creating a dummy page until the main site is done... how far along is kazek with the logo and all?
19:57 < kaos> so it tries to dump the context
19:57 < kaos> probalby a quadzillion times
19:57 < Wombert> yeah haha I had that yesterday
19:58 < kaos> haha
19:58 < kaos> i have this every day
19:58 < kaos> ffs
19:58 < kaos> ok
19:58 < kaos> maybe i should really reduce my usage of swear words *g*
19:59 < Wombert> yeah
19:59 < Wombert> some sort of anger management would do miracles
19:59 < kaos> pfft :D
19:59 < Wombert> did you see Bad Boys 2?
19:59 < kaos> thats why i buy microsoft keyboards
19:59 < Wombert> rub your ears and say "woooooozaaahhhhh"
19:59 < kaos> they can handle my anger
19:59 < Wombert> anyway
19:59 < kaos> :D
19:59 < Wombert> I'm gonna grab something for lunch
20:00 < splatch> Wombert: ... askin..
20:00 < Wombert> HA!
20:00 < Wombert> and _how_ the method call eats up time!
20:00 < kaos> hmm
20:00 < Wombert> $leni = unpack($longPackChar, substr($content, $originalOffsetPos, 4));
20:00 < Wombert> $offseti = unpack($longPackChar, substr($content, $originalOffsetPos + 4, 4));
20:00 < Wombert> $lenv = unpack($longPackChar, substr($content, $translatedOffsetPos, 4));
20:00 < Wombert> $offsetv = unpack($longPackChar, substr($content, $translatedOffsetPos + 4, 4));
20:00 < Wombert> $strings[substr($content, $offseti[1], $leni[1])] = substr($content, $offsetv[1], $lenv[1]);
20:00 < Wombert> use that while you're at it
20:01 < Wombert> be back soon
20:01 < kaos> hu ?
20:01 < kaos> thats not the issue right now
20:01 < kaos> and i will not change that
20:01 < kaos> i rather need to find out
20:01 < kaos> why it even loads every locale
20:01 < kaos> again
20:01 < kaos> and again
20:01 < kaos> ;)
20:03 < splatch> Wombert: kazek's gone
20:04 < splatch> he's away ;)
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20:17 < kaos> ok
20:17 < kaos> down to 2 calls to GettextMoReader::readFile
20:20 < Wombert> splatch`: okay <:
20:20 < Wombert> kaos: any faster that way?
20:20 < kaos> havent tested
20:20 < kaos> mom
20:20 < Wombert> can you check it in
20:20 < Wombert> uuuh still gotta relocate the repos :S
20:20 < kaos> it is checked in :P
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22:00 < ttj> Wombert: Nope, but a similar furry animal slept in my mouth last night again.
22:00 < Wombert> xDDD
22:00 < ttj> And I lost my wallet.
22:00 < Wombert> ewwwww
22:00 < ttj> Sort of sucks.
22:00 < Wombert> in a bar or something?
22:00 < Wombert> yeah it sure does
22:00 < ttj> On my way home, most likely. Can't remember.
22:01 < Wombert> haha
22:01 < Wombert> mmh
22:01 < Wombert> :|
22:01 < ttj> Imust've had it in the bar since someone told me that I had bought shots to many people. Multiple times.
22:02 < Wombert> :>>>>
22:02 < Wombert> did you have anything to celebrate?
22:02 < ttj> Nope.
22:02 < ttj> Except that it was weekend. :-)
22:03 < impl> Yhey for drunkenness
22:04 < ttj> The police guy laughed at me when I called them. :P
22:04 < Wombert> :)
22:11 < splatch`> Wombert: kazek will give some stuff tomorrow
22:11 < splatch`> btw where i can put own config variables?
22:11 < Wombert> excellent
22:11 < Wombert> what config variables?
22:12 < splatch`> i've image resizer and i must got widt/height
22:12 < splatch`> *width
22:12 < splatch`> in Mojavi and Agavi 0.11 i put that to settings.ini
22:13 < impl> 0.10*?
22:13 < impl> Wombert: We're still aiming for a November 6 release date for 0.11 right?
22:13 < Wombert> yes
22:14 < splatch`> och, 0.10
22:14 < splatch`> Wombert: can i put this to settings.xml?
22:18 < Wombert> usually, you'd create a dedicated configuration file
22:19 < Wombert> 0.10 had the ReturnArrayConfigHandler, it works the same in 0.11
22:19 < splatch`> i used return array
22:19 < splatch`> but settings ini was better
22:19 < Wombert> I beg to differ
22:19 < splatch`> all from settings.ini was constant :]
22:20 < splatch`> [image]
22:20 < splatch`> width=100
22:20 < splatch`> and i had IMAGE_WIDTH constant
22:20 < splatch`> ready to use :)
22:21 < Wombert> didn't v-dogg write a config handler for that the other day
22:23 < splatch`> Wombert: i can use own config handler
22:23 < splatch`> that isnt' problem :)
22:23 < splatch`> *isn't
22:23 < splatch`> don't drink any more
22:28 < splatch`> return array config handler working with XML/INI?
22:28 < kaos> only with xml
22:28 < kaos> we don't support .ini anywhere anymore
22:28 < kaos> (but you can in theory reenable it quite simple)
22:28 < Wombert> we could, in theory, yeah
22:28 < Wombert> it's rather that we can't be bothered
22:29 < Wombert> unlike certain other frameworks (*cough*) our users can drop in their own format support
22:29 < Wombert> if they're so inclined
22:29 < Wombert> not that we recommend it, of course
22:30 < kaos> well
22:30 < kaos> its actually even no problem having xml for the agavi config
22:30 < kaos> and .ini for your own
22:31 < splatch`> ok, i've mapped configuration
22:31 < splatch`> and how can i use this?
22:31 < splatch`> AgaviConfigCache:: ?
22:32 < kaos> AgaviConfigCache::checkConfig('full path to your config.file');
22:32 < Wombert> well
22:32 < Wombert> actually, you have to include it
22:33 < splatch`> ...?
22:33 < Wombert> $config = include(AgaviConfigCache::checkConfig('full path to your config.file'));
22:33 < Wombert> if you want context-specific configuration, too, you have to pass the context as the second argument
22:33 < splatch`> ach
22:34 < splatch`> var_export
22:34 < splatch`> that's very slow
22:34 < Wombert> not really
22:34 < splatch`> unserialize+file_get_contents are really faster
22:34 < splatch`> i check it
22:34 < Wombert> but we're looking into adding unserialize support
22:34 < Wombert> which is faster since 5.1
22:34 < Wombert> yes
22:34 < Wombert> we know
22:35 < splatch`> so.. in future that will be unserialize, not include? :)
22:35 < kaos> in future you wont have to do either
22:35 < kaos> it will simply do it internal
22:38 < splatch`> hm
22:39 < splatch`> XSD Validation of configuration file "E:\localhost\shop\project/config/config_handlers.xml"
22:39 < splatch`> failed, errors reported by DOM:
22:39 < splatch`> Element 'handler': Character content is not allowed, because the content type is empty.
22:41 < ttj> Found my wallet.
22:41 < ttj> It was in the fridge. Behind some beer bottles.
22:41 < Wombert> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFL
22:41 < Wombert> :>>>>>>>>>>>>
22:41 * Wombert hugs ttj
22:42 < Wombert> you're just too funny, man
22:42 < Wombert> haha
22:42 < ttj> Well, I can actually see the logic now.
22:42 < ttj> When I got home at around 5 AM, I decided to have more beer. I'd been drinking at the bar the entire night, so naturally I wanted to pay for that beer too.
22:42 < splatch`> i found my wallet at the morning
22:42 < splatch`> it was empty :|
22:44 < ttj> Well, this wallet isn't empty.
22:44 < ttj> It's full of receipts.
22:44 < splatch`> not taxes? :)
22:44 < ttj> 5x Salmari. 5x Salmari. 7x Campari.
22:45 < ttj> Ok, this is too painful.
22:45 < Wombert> lol
22:45 < splatch`> [1.5l beer, 1.5l beer, 1.5l beer]/3 people
22:46 < splatch`> next was 2 beers, 50mg vodka
22:47 < splatch`> and at last "warka strong", strong beer [9% ]
22:47 < splatch`> my head at morning told me, you're stupid ;)
22:48 < splatch`> and i said yes
22:48 < ttj> I recall having beer drinking competitions too, last night.
22:49 < Wombert> you guys know what's weird
22:49 < Wombert> some friends of mine were utterly drunk, too
22:49 < splatch`> hm
22:49 < Wombert> and my brother told me he came home at 7 or so in the morning and still felt drunk this evening
22:49 < Wombert> too bad I'm ill and couldn't do any partying as well :S
22:50 < splatch`> i remember all
22:50 < ttj> I'm never going to drink again.
22:50 < splatch`> ttj: i'm too :)
22:50 < splatch`> *i too
22:51 < splatch`> i feel regret money
22:52 < splatch`> btw i'm going to buy nez wnotebook
22:52 < splatch`> *new notebook
22:52 < Wombert> buy a MacBook
22:52 < ttj> ThinkPad!
22:52 < Wombert> no!
22:52 < ttj> :P
22:52 < Wombert> MacBook!
22:53 < Wombert> more affordable, too
22:53 < Wombert> :>
22:53 < splatch`> macbook're so dear
22:53 < ttj> My ThinkPad was cheaper than a MacBook!
22:53 < impl> ThinkPads suck now that they're made by Lenovo
22:53 < splatch`> i can't but MB
22:53 < ttj> impl: No they don't.
22:53 < splatch`> that's 8k z, i've only 5
22:53 < Wombert> look
22:53 < Wombert> macbooks suck
22:53 < impl> They do too. They don't have the IBM logo in colour, and they look funny
22:53 < impl> and I don't like them
22:53 < impl> :(
22:53 < Wombert> each model looks different
22:53 < Wombert> some ports on the left
22:53 < Wombert> some on the right
22:53 < Wombert> some on the back
22:54 < Wombert> weird bumps in the casing where the vga out is (vga out... come on)
22:54 < splatch`> i thought about Asus
22:54 < Wombert> all that stuff
22:54 < Wombert> makes mac >>>>> anything else
22:54 < Wombert> splatch`: they suck... they have very very bad support
22:54 < splatch`> Wombert: hm.. in poland was good
22:54 < Wombert> splatch`: really... I recommend that you save more money and wait until you can afford a MacBook
22:54 < Wombert> they cost 1000 euros here for students
22:54 < Wombert> you won't regret it
22:55 < splatch`> in previous work they change hdd in my chief notebook
22:55 < splatch`> without problems
22:55 < splatch`> four, five days
22:56 < Kubicek> ibm even repaired my x40 with a lot of cocacola inside for free :)
22:56 < splatch`> Wombert: maybe in next year :)
22:56 < splatch`> currently i've LG GS50 and this stuff are good.. but old
22:57 < Kubicek> i wish apple would have something like x40, but they have everythink only with cdrom and it is fucking big
22:57 < splatch`> and hdd goning to died
22:58 < splatch`> thinkpad're ugly ;>
22:58 < Kubicek> but very small
22:59 < Wombert> there are other small notebooks
22:59 < Wombert> some vaios, for isntance
22:59 < Wombert> but you guys are missing the point
22:59 < Wombert> it's not only about size
22:59 < Wombert> you only get OS X and the entire experience with a mac :)
22:59 < Wombert> slot-in drive, perfect wifi and bluetooth integration, INSTANT(!) wakeup
22:59 < Kubicek> Wombert: i have mac mini on the table ... :)
22:59 < Wombert> windows xp needs 30 seconds to wake up from hibernate
23:00 < Wombert> if it doesn't crash due to some crappy driver
23:00 < Wombert> I open my powerbook, and bam, there's the desktop
23:00 < Kubicek> Wombert: i never close my notebook, so i don't care about hibernation :)
23:00 < ttj> splatch`: Thinkpads may not be trendy. But they're far from ugly.
23:00 < ttj> An analogy can be found from clothing.
23:01 < Wombert> oh I'm curious to hear that
23:01 < Kubicek> i really would like to have mac notebook, but size matter. x40 is unbeatable
23:01 < ttj> Buy trendy and hip clothes, buy an Apple. Buy a properly made, traditional suit, buy a Thinkpad.
23:01 < Wombert> I find my 15" PB rather portable
23:01 < Wombert> ttj: my aluminium PB is the most elegant laptop I've seen so far
23:01 < Wombert> one of the reasons why I bought it
23:01 < Wombert> I saw it next to the iBook in the store
23:01 < Wombert> and I new... PB all the way
23:02 < Wombert> I thought the 15" would be too big and all, but I'm glad I took it over the 12"
23:02 < Kubicek> i also heard pb are too hot
23:03 < Kubicek> i work from bed 4-5 hours a day, so size and temperature are very importatnt for me :)
23:03 < splatch`> thinkpad are too dear
23:03 < splatch`> with the same money
23:03 < splatch`> i'll got better asus
23:04 < Wombert> no heat issues here
23:04 < Wombert> the battery is good for four hours typically
23:04 < Wombert> besides the fact that two months after I bought it, they released the intel macbooks which are about 718236 times faster AND run windows
23:04 < Kubicek> Wombert: good to hear. i'll go to apple shop and look for it :)
23:04 < Wombert> it's the single best decision I have made regarding computers ever
23:04 < Wombert> no kidding
23:05 < splatch`> Wombert: just as i said, maybe in next year
23:05 < Kubicek> Wombert: i fully believe you. i'm also happy i bought intel mac mini
23:05 < Wombert> and one of the better decisions of my life, too, because I now don't get mad at windows all the time
23:05 < Wombert> you know, these "YES, I'LL SHOW THIS RESTART DIALOG EVERY FIFTEEN MINUTES" bullshit
23:05 < splatch`> now i need good, fast and cheap notebook
23:05 < Wombert> anyway
23:06 < Wombert> I'll watch a movie
23:06 < Wombert> and then be back
23:06 < Wombert> hope the nameservers got the domain names by then
23:06 < Wombert> so I can test if the website works
23:06 < Wombert> svn and trac are working already on the new box
23:06 < Wombert> see you in ~80 minutes
23:06 < Kubicek> you should decrease ttl before any dns changes to avoid dns problems while migrating ...
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00:37 -!- Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: www.agavi.bitxtender.net while we're waiting for agavi.org to move :: DO NOT use 0.10.2 anymore :: Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness :: We're looking for documentation contributors and developers :: http://trac.agavi.org/trac.cgi/milestone/0.11 (90+% already) :: irc logs http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/
00:38 < Wombert> there ya go guys
00:38 < Wombert> svn and trac moved there, too
00:38 < Wombert> don't use the old domain for now
00:38 < Wombert> we're waiting for bob to change the nameserver entries for agavi.org so it points to the new machine
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07:17 < v-dogg> huomenta
07:17 < ttj> Huomen.
07:26 < shoan_> huomenta
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08:34 < Wombert> ewww
08:35 < v-dogg> woot
08:35 < Wombert> something woke up the laptop oO
08:35 < v-dogg> macs <3
08:35 < Wombert> at 4am
08:41 < Wombert> Oct 16 04:04:47 Wombook kernel[0]: IOBluetoothHCIController::restartShutdownWL this is a wake from sleep
08:41 < Wombert> Oct 16 04:04:47 Wombook kernel[0]: System Wake
08:41 < Wombert> Oct 16 04:04:47 Wombook kernel[0]: Wake event 0020
08:41 < Wombert> wtf
08:43 < Wombert> hm
08:43 < Wombert> gonna restart
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08:48 < v-dogg> it takes that long?
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08:49 < v-dogg> Wombert:
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08:49 < v-dogg> http://veikkomakinen.com/temp/agavi.bitxtender.png
08:49 < Wombert> ewww
08:49 < Wombert> ie?
08:50 < v-dogg> firefox
08:50 < v-dogg> 1.5.0.7, WinXP
08:51 < raidman> morning folks :)
08:52 < v-dogg> morning raidman
08:52 < raidman> agavi.org is up :)
08:55 < Wombert> yes
08:55 < Wombert> gotta take it down somehow
08:56 < raidman> Wombert, what about SVN?
08:56 < Wombert> all moved
08:56 < v-dogg> you've been busy :)
08:57 < Wombert> v-dogg: I'm uploading a new page with fixed line height...
08:58 < raidman> yeah I can see farsi translation in repos :)
08:58 < v-dogg> oh man... I need coffee
08:58 < Wombert> v-dogg: reload
08:58 < v-dogg> tons
08:58 < Wombert> better?
08:58 < v-dogg> yeah, works now
08:58 < Wombert> good
09:01 < raidman> Invalid locale identifier () specified?
09:03 < Wombert> yeah that's possible
09:04 < raidman> How can I fix it?
09:04 < Wombert> I'll have to fix it
09:04 < Wombert> just use /en/ for now
09:04 < raidman> okey
09:08 -!- Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: www.agavi.bitxtender.net while we're waiting for agavi.org to move :: DO NOT use 0.10.2 anymore:: http://svn.agavi.bitxtender.net/ :: Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness :: We're looking for documentation contributors and developers :: http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/milestone/0.11 (90+% already) :: irc logs http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/
09:09 < raidman> I have an idea for agavi, I think it will be perfect to have AMR (Agavi Modules Repository), ACR(Agavi Components Repository) (for agavi 2.0), AEFR (Agavi Extensions and Filters Repository) and etc..
09:18 < Wombert> well I guess some kind of AgaviForce will be enough won't it
09:18 < raidman> AgaviForce?
09:19 < raidman> AgaviForge?
09:19 < Wombert> yes
09:19 < Wombert> sorry
09:20 < raidman> yes of course :)
09:20 < raidman> but it's important to be IMHO
09:21 < v-dogg> hehe, AgaviForce
09:21 < v-dogg> like Thunderbirds :)
09:22 < digitarald> Morning fellows :)
09:22 < raidman> motning digitarald
09:22 < raidman> ah
09:23 < raidman> s/motning/morning/
09:28 < Wombert> teh polls again
09:29 < Wombert> so far, everyone has voted IN FAVOR of getting rid of the forums
09:29 < Wombert> does anyone object
09:30 < Wombert> I beiieve impl, raidman and epaulin have voted for it so far, as well as me, of course
09:30 < Wombert> eremit ?
09:30 < Wombert> digitarald?
09:30 < Wombert> ttj?
09:30 < Wombert> v-dogg?
09:30 < Wombert> Kubicek?
09:30 < Wombert> shoan?
09:30 < Wombert> EleRas?
09:30 < Wombert> splatch`?
09:30 < eremit> morning, Wombert, aye?
09:30 < shoan> 'sup?
09:32 < eremit> the forums ? and if we should get rid of them ?
09:33 < shoan> get rid of it
09:33 < digitarald> the forum like now ... get rid of them, yes, but archive it and create a new one :)
09:34 < shoan> but make the mailing list/irc archives more accessible
09:34 < eremit> yeah ... as i already voted yesterday ... discard it
09:34 < digitarald> i know people that cant even login or register
09:34 < Wombert> no
09:34 < Wombert> no new forum
09:34 < Wombert> at least that's the plan
09:35 < Wombert> shoan: yes you bet we'll do that
09:35 < digitarald> if anybody has 30min to look at oop-language on 50Mhz 1992 ... http://jaortega.wordpress.com/2006/10/13/the-object-oriented-cake/ ... what we been doing the last 14 years :D
09:38 < Wombert> digitarald: I can tell you
09:38 < Wombert> ever wondered why even Gran Turismo 4 looks better than most PC racing games?
09:39 < Wombert> that's the simple answer
09:39 < Wombert> moron coders don't have to adapt as the hardware gets faster
09:39 < Wombert> they can continue to write their crap and nobody notices how slow it is
09:40 < Wombert> dude
09:40 < Wombert> that SO is Mac OS X
09:40 < Wombert> :>
09:40 < Wombert> I love that comment about how it would take a mac or pc the entire week to redraw the windows :D
09:53 < v-dogg> Wombert: forums away? for good?
09:53 < Wombert> I would say so, yes
09:53 < Wombert> what's your opinion
09:53 < v-dogg> not sure
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09:54 < v-dogg> forum has some advantages over irc
09:54 < v-dogg> no client needed, clear threads and so on
09:54 < Wombert> well
09:54 < Wombert> we'd set up mailing lists
09:55 < Wombert> mailing lists are a push system... the stuff comes to you, you don't have to do anything
09:55 < Wombert> you just read it and if you feel like it, you reply
09:55 < Wombert> forums... you have to go there, look around and see which threads are new etc
09:55 < Wombert> looking at symfony (and other projects), in the end, only the noobs populate the forums
09:56 < Wombert> because the more experienced people don't need them anymore over time
09:56 < Wombert> so they stay away
09:56 < v-dogg> that's true
09:56 < Wombert> so they're not there to help new users either
09:56 < Wombert> then, there's only total newbs and people with few experience there which help the novices
09:56 < Wombert> that leads to misunderstandings and, most importantly, to wrong answers
09:57 < Wombert> so newbs learn things the wrong way
09:57 < v-dogg> possible
09:57 < Wombert> get frustrated
09:57 < Wombert> run away
09:57 < Wombert> that's my experience with other projects, too, such as smarty
09:57 < Wombert> the more skilled people alway read the mailing lists, most importantly because it's convenient
09:58 < Wombert> I can say for sure that I, and most of the people here, won't have the time to "maintain" the forums
09:58 < Wombert> give good support etc
09:58 < Wombert> it's just way too time comsuming
09:59 < v-dogg> but what you just said about mailing list vs. forums, some might argue is a point for forums, not against them :) (ie. you don't get mails that get lost in your overcrowded mails but you can read the forum when it suits you)
09:59 < Wombert> we decided not to add forums to Propel, for example, for the very same reasons
09:59 < Wombert> you can read emails whenever you want, too... it's just a matter of setting up a filter to put them into a folder ;)
09:59 < v-dogg> that's not the point (and you know it)
09:59 < Wombert> look at how many threads on the symfony forums have 0 replies
10:00 < Wombert> now let's say a week has passed without an answer
10:00 < v-dogg> yes, I am aware of the problems with forums
10:00 < Wombert> the person adds a *bump* and.. still no reply
10:00 < v-dogg> and I don't have a strong opinion for them
10:00 < Wombert> at leaast he's more likely to get one on mailing lists
10:01 < v-dogg> don't know if that's true
10:02 < Wombert> hmh
10:04 < v-dogg> but I have nothing against removing the forum
10:04 < v-dogg> just wanted to discuss it
10:05 < Wombert> yeah sure
10:05 < Wombert> I mean I realize that a forum is easier and all
10:05 < Wombert> but then, if someone can't manage to subscribe to a mailing list... :)
10:05 < Wombert> if we have nice archives, why not!?
10:06 < eremit> there is imho only one thing in count for a forum ...
10:06 < Wombert> I know _I_ would forget to look at the forums all the time because it's too time consuming
10:06 < Wombert> I tried that with Smarty back when I was a contributor but... it was too much work
10:06 < eremit> searching is much easier ...
10:06 < Wombert> that's true
10:07 < Wombert> but if we have a good archive of the lists
10:09 < splatch`> Wombert?
10:10 < Wombert> yes?
10:20 < splatch`> 08:30:33 < Wombert> splatch`?
10:20 < Wombert> right
10:20 < Wombert> and I asked a question before that :)
10:21 < Wombert> [08:28] Wombert: teh polls again
10:21 < Wombert> [08:29] Wombert: so far, everyone has voted IN FAVOR of getting rid of the forums
10:21 < Wombert> [08:29] Wombert: does anyone object
10:34 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
10:34 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1143 : Changeset [1143]: fixed default locale not getting set
10:35 < shoan> Wombert: the irc archives aren't really useful to new comers
10:36 < v-dogg> yep, no structure or threads
10:36 < Wombert> yeah that's why we'd have mailing lists, they are threaded
10:36 < Wombert> plus documentation, tutorials, screencasts
10:36 < Wombert> I'm not sure how much of an idea a new user could get of the framework by looking at the firums
10:36 < Wombert> forums
10:36 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
10:36 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1145 : Changeset [1145]: set locale cookie for 30 days instead of only for the session
10:37 < AgaviBot> 2) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1144 : Changeset [1144]: bringing back pounds sterling as the currency for all locales
10:37 < shoan> Wombert: the mailing list is dead
10:37 < Wombert> shoan: because nobody knows about it and because it's just a developers mailing list and because agavi has very, very few users
10:38 < Wombert> I realize that forums have a huge bling factor and all but I believe that in the long term, they'll only have a negative effect
10:38 < Wombert> brb
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11:02 < Wombert> hey Macca`
11:02 < Macca`> hello
11:03 < digitarald> forums have negative effects? ... thats the first meeting point for new people asking questions ... ok ... many dump questions ... i think there should be a forum-like discussion, not only in a mailing list
11:04 < Wombert> we could embed a java irc client or whatever
11:04 < Wombert> we'll have FAQ, an intro vid, the intro manual
11:04 < Wombert> comprehensive docmentation
11:04 < Wombert> tutorials
11:04 < Wombert> a list of features with many details
11:04 < Wombert> seriously
11:05 < Wombert> I'm sure they won't get properly good answers on a forum
11:05 < Wombert> because the first ones to reply are those who are hanging around there a lot
11:05 < Wombert> and that's people who are _also_ new
11:06 < Wombert> and I really don't want the situation where a user asks a question, and another user doesn't know about it either, and thus replies "I don't think that's possible"
11:06 < Wombert> I have limited time, and so has anyone else
11:06 < Wombert> and if I'm having a 15 minute break from work
11:06 < Wombert> I can skim through the mailing list
11:06 < Wombert> quickly looking over the subjects of the messages
11:07 < Wombert> and write a couply of replies
11:07 < Wombert> on the forums, I need to paginate, and I need to look into several sub-forums
11:07 < Wombert> and I don't have time for that
11:07 < Wombert> so I won't do it
11:07 < Wombert> and so won't other busy people
11:07 < Wombert> so the forums will be a place of average support quality, if any
11:08 < Wombert> bug reports - trac
11:08 < Wombert> feature requests - a feature request system (where people can propose things and then vote etc)
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11:09 < Wombert> support - mailing lists or IRC
11:09 < Wombert> we cna have nice archives of the mailing lists people can look at
11:09 < digitarald> ... forums are needed for the community ... have to go to work ...
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11:09 < Wombert> I'll even add a live IRC viewer so you can read the channel without being connected
11:10 < eremit> but please don't make it able to chat ^^
11:10 < Wombert> of course not
11:10 < Wombert> and I don't think we need forums for a community
11:10 < Wombert> it's always a subset of people there
11:10 < Wombert> a specific group of the user base
11:10 < Wombert> and that's not good
11:11 < eremit> i share your point of view ... :) ... if the community thinks they need a forum, they should create one ... but it should not be part of agavi's infrastructure
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11:13 < Wombert> eremit: not necessarily
11:13 < Wombert> if the community desperately wants a forum
11:13 < Wombert> we'll create one
11:14 < Wombert> because I'd much rather have one in my "control" where the "old" users are listened to and respected
11:14 < Wombert> you know what I mean?
11:14 < eremit> yes i know what you mean ...
11:14 < Wombert> in a community, they do their own stuff, and you could walk in, and add in your thoughts, but it would be different
11:14 < Wombert> I'm not talking about "respect" because they contribute but
11:14 < Wombert> mmmh how to say
11:15 < Wombert> "in a community" = "in external forums set up by John Doe"
11:15 < eremit> yep got it ...
11:15 < Wombert> what I mean is that... it's also better for the users if the people behind the framework run the forums
11:15 < Wombert> because they have people they can 100% rely on
11:16 < Wombert> when they tell them their opinion or give advice or so
11:16 < eremit> even if i dont share your opinion ... ;)
11:16 < Wombert> then tell me yours
11:16 < Wombert> :)
11:16 < eremit> it's quite simple ... i have a huge hatred against forums of opensource software projects ...
11:16 < Wombert> me too
11:17 < eremit> and i would never run one if i have the choice :P
11:17 < Wombert> well not really hatred
11:17 < Wombert> but
11:17 < Wombert> I don't like them because... yeah... people don't get good support there
11:17 < eremit> as i told above... if somebody thinks he needs a forum, he should create one ...
11:18 < Wombert> it's also my experience from open source software I use
11:18 < Wombert> if you ask basic questions, 1000 people will jump in and give an answer
11:18 < Wombert> ask something complicated... you _never_ get a reply
11:18 < Wombert> happened just hte other day with VideoLan, and many others before that
11:19 < Wombert> and that's because the developers and experienced people, over time, can't be bothered to participate anymore
11:19 < Wombert> and that's very bad for the beginners because they're left alone
11:19 < eremit> hmm ... or you ask a silly dump question because you are a little bit beside yourself ... and get a RTFM n00b answer
11:19 < Wombert> yeah or that
11:19 < eremit> you know i was a project leader of syscp ?... the forums nearly killed the whole project ...
11:20 < Wombert> yeha
11:20 < eremit> :/ .. and the forums are one of the main reasons for this: http://blog.syscp.org/archives/3-Team-changes-and-introduction-of-blog.syscp.org.html
11:21 < Wombert> :|
11:21 < eremit> haha ... why :| ?...
11:21 < Wombert> well okay
11:21 < Wombert> you seem happy
11:21 < Wombert> :)
11:21 < Wombert> abou tit
11:21 < Wombert> :)
11:22 < eremit> take a look at our forums ... and you see ... nothing usefull ... only flames or questions like ... How do i start a daemon in linux?
11:22 < Wombert> waits for v-dogg to say "haha wombert said TIT" xDDDD
11:22 * Wombert waits for v-dogg to say "haha wombert said TIT" xDDDD
11:22 < Wombert> better
11:22 < eremit> hrhr
11:23 < Wombert> eremit: yes and that's a nice side effect
11:23 < Wombert> people must be serious about it
11:23 < Wombert> symfony forums are FLOODED with shit like "how do I make an ajax call"
11:23 < eremit> or another good example against forums .. take a deep look into the history of rootforum.de ...
11:23 < Wombert> in the end, that means that those with actual questions regarding the framework don't get any answers
11:23 < v-dogg> wombie said "tit" *giggle*
11:23 < eremit> i dont know about the symf forums, i once took a look and thought ... wtf just a bunch of stupid kids trying to be hype ...
11:24 * Wombert hugs v-dogg
11:24 < Wombert> :>>>>>
11:24 < Wombert> oooh man these finns always cheer me up
11:24 < Wombert> v-dogg: did you read about ttj's drinking escapades and the wallet story
11:24 < Wombert> eremit: yep
11:25 < Wombert> what I was trying to say regarding "people must be serious about it"...
11:25 < Wombert> they have to subscribe to the mailing list
11:25 < Wombert> which means they'll proably look into the archives
11:25 < Wombert> that might scare off people who bought a PHP book the day before
11:25 < Wombert> and that might not be bad, I guess
11:26 < Wombert> because it doesn't help us if they try agavi
11:26 < Wombert> and most importantly it doesn't help them
11:26 < Wombert> if they try agavi
11:26 < eremit> exactly the arguments i used ^^ :D
11:26 < Wombert> or any framework for that matter
11:26 < Wombert> it's one of the problems symfony has
11:26 < v-dogg> can I wrap every php error in an exception?
11:26 < Wombert> v-dogg: yeah
11:26 < Wombert> set up an error handler
11:27 < Wombert> (see also http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/ticket/36)
11:27 < Wombert> btw that's trac 0.10
11:27 < Wombert> which means we'll open anonymous access again
11:27 < Wombert> it has antispam stuff
11:28 < eremit> be very carefull about the antispam stuff
11:28 < Wombert> it uses askimet afaik
11:28 < eremit> and talk to eleras ... he set up the antispam for trac.syscp.org
11:28 < Wombert> anyway, I hope there's a CAPTCHA plugin too
11:28 < eremit> they had a bunch of problems ...
11:28 < eremit> afaik there isn't yet
11:29 < eremit> syscp had the problem normal tickets get denied because of askimet ...
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11:29 < digitarald> ... back
11:30 < Wombert> welcome back :)
11:30 < Wombert> read the logs for the last minutes please
11:30 < Wombert> eremit pointed out some stuff against forums there
11:30 < eremit> @wombert: http://lists.syscp.org/pipermail/devel/2006-October/000120.html
11:30 < Wombert> and I absolutely agrtee
11:30 < Wombert> eremit: aaaah yeah right
11:31 < Wombert> I actually had the same problem with the Adium trac
11:31 < Wombert> where I couldn't add any attachments
11:31 < Wombert> that suckd
11:32 < eremit> yes ...
11:32 < eremit> but as i said, talk to eleras, he even setup a badword filter, being configurable from the trac wiki
11:32 < eremit> (dont know if thats trac standard way of doing it)
11:33 < eremit> http://trac.syscp.org/wiki/BadContent
11:35 < v-dogg> ehm.. I get "Fatal error: Class 'AgaviCompileConfigHandler' not found ... " when I add set_error_handler('error2Exception'); in config.php
11:36 < Wombert> uh wtf
11:36 < Wombert> try to do it after the bootstrap
11:37 < v-dogg> that works
11:42 < EleRas> just read the log of this channel, trac 0.10 has a build-in badwords-filter if you install the spamfilter-plugin, just edit the content of trac<install>/wiki/BadContent (for example: http://www.syscp.org/wiki/BadContent)
11:43 < v-dogg> does it block out Wombert when he writes abou tit?
11:43 * v-dogg giggles
11:43 < EleRas> *g
11:43 < EleRas> not if he is logged in to trac
11:43 < Wombert> ROFL
11:43 < Wombert> :>>>>>
11:43 < Wombert> nice one, v-dogg
11:44 < Wombert> you just put the benchmark a lot higher ;)
11:44 < EleRas> anyway, have to go now, but setting up the antispam in trac is rather simple, docu is okay
11:45 < Wombert> :)
11:45 < Wombert> thanks for the input!
11:48 < Wombert> mmmmh dominik did a great job with that translation stuff
11:48 < Wombert> just look at this changeset there
11:48 < Wombert> so cool
11:51 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
11:51 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1146 : Changeset [1146]: set Pounds Sterling as the currency for the default locale, too
11:53 < v-dogg> enviroment/context sensitive error_handler setting would really make my day now...
11:54 < Wombert> env... maybe
11:55 < Wombert> context probably not, it's started too late I think
11:55 < Wombert> raidman: are you there?
12:02 < raidman> Wombert, yep :)
12:02 < Wombert> cool
12:02 < Wombert> could you update from (the new) svn please
12:02 < Wombert> I have some questions regarding the right-to-left stuff
12:03 < raidman> sure
12:03 < raidman> done
12:04 < Wombert> okay
12:04 < Wombert> this list of other languages
12:04 < Wombert> is it in the right order?
12:05 < raidman> you know there is a some problems in there
12:05 < Wombert> shouldn't be Deutsch to the very right, then English to the left of it, then Soumi next etc?
12:05 < Wombert> and aren't the commas in the wrong order?
12:05 < raidman> letme check
12:05 < Wombert> what should it look like in farsi
12:06 < raidman> If you want to correct it ...
12:06 < Wombert> yeah sure I want to have it properly
12:06 < raidman> 1) Menu should be at right
12:06 < Wombert> yep already working on that
12:07 < raidman> 2) after language bar we have a tilte, that is in wrong place
12:07 < Wombert> it must be on the right? okay
12:07 < raidman> it should be at right and bottom of that lang bar
12:07 < Wombert> yeah I want to move the language bar into the header anyway
12:08 < raidman> you know there is simple rule
12:08 < raidman> in RTL every left alignment in english should be right
12:08 < raidman> and every right should be left
12:08 < Wombert> okay
12:08 < raidman> :)
12:08 < Wombert> so the text on the start page
12:09 < Wombert> in english (we'll change that too, soon)
12:09 < Wombert> is correct?
12:09 < Wombert> ".NOTE: It's ok to manually delete all files and sub directories in your Agavi cache directory"
12:09 < Wombert> is that right? with the period on the very left?
12:10 < raidman> letmesee
12:11 < raidman> Wombert, text in header?
12:12 < raidman> one mor thing what happend to *Alternative language*? I mean plural issue?
12:12 < raidman> more*
12:13 < Wombert> yeah that's a bug
12:13 < raidman> okey
12:13 < Wombert> hvae to look into that
12:13 < Wombert> once that is fixed
12:13 < Wombert> the translation will be to the right of the list, correct?
12:13 < Wombert> good, we'll talk about it then
12:13 < Wombert> let me fix the other stuff
12:13 < raidman> yes exactly
12:14 < raidman> after current lang
12:15 < raidman> Wombert, I'm just away from keyboard, just ask me if you have another question
12:15 < Wombert> kk
12:16 < raidman> :)
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13:02 < Wombert> raidman: is that better?
13:03 < Wombert> I still have to fix that gettext reader problem
13:03 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
13:03 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1147 : Changeset [1147]: right-to-left fixes for sample app
13:03 < Wombert> it seems to be a php 5.1 bug
13:03 < Wombert> or a 5.2 one (works for dominik, he's on 5.2)
13:05 < raidman> letmesee
13:06 < Wombert> is it correct to put the languages on the left? and try to log in... the logged in box is on the left then, too
13:06 < Wombert> is that correct?
13:06 < raidman> hmm, login box on left
13:07 < raidman> ...
13:07 < raidman> wait
13:07 < raidman> I thing it's better to be in right like menu
13:10 < raidman> see Wombert
13:10 < raidman> |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
13:10 < raidman> | LANG BAR HEADER |
13:10 < raidman> |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
13:10 < raidman> | |--Login--| |--Menu---| |
13:10 < raidman> | | | | | |
13:10 < raidman> | |---------| |---------| |
13:10 < raidman> and ...
13:11 < raidman> |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
13:11 < raidman> | LANG BAR HEADER |
13:11 < raidman> |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
13:11 < raidman> | Welcome msg |--Menu---| |
13:11 < raidman> | dfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfg | | |
13:11 < raidman> | gdfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfgdfgd |---------| |
13:16 < Wombert> do you think it's better do to that in general
13:16 < Wombert> meaing that we should also move the login box from right to left for LTR scripts
13:16 < Wombert> ?
13:17 < raidman> no it LTR it should be like this....
13:17 < raidman> |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
13:17 < raidman> | LANG BAR HEADER |
13:17 < raidman> |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
13:17 < raidman> | |--Login--| |--Menu-- | |
13:17 < raidman> | | | | | |
13:17 < raidman> | |---------| |---------| |
13:17 < raidman> just swutch menu and login
13:17 < raidman> switch
13:19 < raidman> I think it should be like this, what you think?
13:20 < Wombert> so you think that for LTR languages, the login box shouldn't be on the right side either
13:20 < Wombert> correct?
13:20 < v-dogg> hmm... php segfaults..
13:20 < Wombert> and in both RTL and LTR, it should be next to the menu
13:20 < Wombert> or above it
13:20 < Wombert> or so
13:20 < Wombert> v-dogg: when/where
13:20 < v-dogg> not sure
13:20 < Wombert> form population?
13:20 < v-dogg> probably not
13:21 < v-dogg> might be redirect or something
13:22 < raidman> Wombert, yes exactly, it could be above of menu too, as you saied
13:22 < raidman> said
13:22 < raidman> i think it's better, IMHO
13:24 < Wombert> hm
13:25 < Wombert> I always expect a menu on the left
13:25 < Wombert> and login stuff on the right
13:28 < raidman> you know menu because of its stuff (I mean links) should be at right
13:29 < raidman> but login box could be every where
13:29 < raidman> you know I'm talking about RTL not LTR
13:29 < Wombert> yeah yeah
13:29 < raidman> :)
13:30 < raidman> Wombert, http://www.giveme5.ir/
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13:45 < Wombert> raidman: found the plural problem
13:45 < v-dogg> any ideas how to track down the line causing php to seg fault?
13:48 < Wombert> maybe xdebug helps
13:48 < Wombert> doubt it tho
13:49 < Wombert> can you reproduce the problem?
13:49 < v-dogg> occasionally, not every time
13:49 < Wombert> then stop execution at some point and move it further until the segfault occurs
13:49 < Wombert> uuuh
13:52 < raidman> ah perfect :)
13:53 < Wombert> not really
13:53 < Wombert> array_merge doesn't handle keys with null bytes correctly
13:56 < Wombert> fixed it :)
13:57 < Wombert> okay... raidman can you update again and call the page
13:57 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
13:57 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1148 : Changeset [1148]: fixed gettext plural translations
14:02 < raidman> Wombert, okey
14:02 < Wombert> raidman: the list of alternative languages
14:02 < Wombert> in what order do you read them?
14:03 < Wombert> do you read "Deutsch" first? or the chinese one first?
14:03 < Wombert> because text direction changes there all of a sudden
14:03 < raidman> letmesee
14:04 < raidman> Wombert, did you commit it?
14:04 < Wombert> yeah it's in
14:04 < Wombert> does it work for you?
14:04 < Wombert> maybe you have production env on
14:04 < raidman> my revision is still 1136
14:04 < Wombert> you probably have; development is veeery slow
14:04 < Wombert> ah
14:04 < Wombert> new svn!
14:04 < Wombert> see title
14:04 < raidman> oh
14:04 < Wombert> and www.agavi.bitxtender.net
14:04 < Wombert> go to the repos
14:04 < Wombert> and type
14:05 < Wombert> svn switch --relocate svn://svn.agavi.org/agavi/ http://svn.agavi.bitxtender.net/
14:05 < Wombert> that _should_ work
14:05 < raidman> svn switch right?
14:05 < Wombert> yes but with relocate
14:05 < raidman> yeah okey
14:05 < Wombert> not sure if you have to add /trunk to both at the end
14:06 < raidman> okey done
14:06 < Wombert> svn up
14:06 < Wombert> :)
14:06 < raidman> perfect
14:06 < raidman> every thing is in right place
14:07 < Wombert> okay
14:07 < raidman> cool
14:07 < Wombert> could you read (out loud)
14:07 < Wombert> the alternative languages
14:07 < raidman> :>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
14:07 < Wombert> including the label
14:07 < Wombert> how do you read it
14:07 < Wombert> as a human, I mean
14:07 < Wombert> زبانهای دیگر
14:07 < Wombert> comes first
14:07 < raidman> yes
14:07 < Wombert> and then? do you first look at the first chinese symbol, then at the second, then at nederlands?
14:07 < raidman> it's correct
14:08 < Wombert> or do you read detusch, then english, then suomi
14:08 < Wombert> after you read the label
14:08 < raidman> yes
14:08 < Wombert> which
14:08 < raidman> no china first
14:08 < Wombert> uuuh
14:08 < Wombert> :S
14:08 < Wombert> hmm
14:08 < raidman> then second china
14:08 < raidman> then Nederlands
14:08 < Wombert> hmm hmm hmm
14:08 < raidman> etc..
14:09 < raidman> Wombert, body should not be translated?
14:09 < raidman> body text I mean
14:09 < Wombert> yes, it will be, but I want to add template translation support for that
14:09 < Wombert> so you can have per-language templates, too
14:10 < Wombert> raidman: hmm the thing is... that list of alternative languages is _supposed_ to be in the order german -> english -> finnish etc
14:10 < Wombert> it's ordered by the locale id (de_DE, en_US etc)
14:10 < Wombert> hmmmmmm
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14:21 < Wombert> guys
14:21 < Wombert> I'm considering the removal of output type fallbacks
14:21 < Wombert> I believe some here use that already
14:21 < Wombert> not sure... digitarald or eremit...
14:22 < eremit> uh
14:22 < eremit> i use it already ... why do you considering it ?
14:22 < Wombert> because it's rather complicated and creates tons of chicken and egg situations
14:22 < Wombert> plus
14:23 < Wombert> I want to add per-language template support now and
14:23 < Wombert> _that_ is gonna be... ultra complicated then
14:23 < Wombert> you could still "emulate" the behavior, though
14:23 < Wombert> by doing a check if the template exists in initialize()
14:23 < Wombert> I can help you write the necessary base view
14:23 < Wombert> may I also ask the use case?
14:24 < Wombert> I'd be curious to hear that :)
14:24 < eremit> for me it's only fallback for half-implemented things ...
14:25 < eremit> like no ajax views while using the ajax frontend ... falling back to classic html ...
14:25 < Wombert> yeah but that foobars the output anyway doesn't it?
14:25 < eremit> no ... the js on the client side handles it
14:26 < eremit> and changes to classic back
14:26 < eremit> something really ugly you don't wanna know how i've done it ;)
14:26 < eremit> $('html').innerHMTL = response.body --- *covers*
14:27 < Wombert> ah
14:27 < Wombert> xDDDDD
14:27 < Wombert> haha
14:27 < Wombert> <:
14:27 < eremit> but feel free to remove it ;)
14:27 < Wombert> yeah but that won't trigger onload etc so you'll end up with a broken site
14:27 < Wombert> good
14:27 < Wombert> any other objections?
14:28 < Wombert> I'm not 100% sure yet, mind you, folks
14:28 < eremit> our whole ajax thinggies are gonna get removed anyway ...
14:28 < Wombert> but it sure would make my life easier esp wrt caching
14:40 < raidman> Wombert, I dont use .htaccess then link of invalid URL is broken
14:40 < Wombert> yeah
14:40 < Wombert> it's invalid ;)
14:40 < raidman> no
14:40 < raidman> it should be ask me 404 etc
14:41 < raidman> but not
14:41 < Wombert> no
14:41 < Wombert> it's correct the way it is
14:41 < raidman> oh okey :)
14:41 < Wombert> it can't find a route with that name, so it uses the route name as the url
14:42 < raidman> currency is incorect!
14:42 < Wombert> pounds?
14:42 < raidman> incorrect*
14:42 < Wombert> that's intentional, too :)
14:42 < Wombert> look at routing.xml
14:42 < Wombert> how it's done
14:42 < raidman> £
14:42 < Wombert> the default currency is overridden
14:42 < Wombert> yses
14:42 < Wombert> yes
14:43 < Wombert> that's the symbol for British Pounds Sterling :)
14:43 < raidman> okey
14:43 < raidman> I just ask this because it was rial :)
14:45 < raidman> everything is in right place, good work Wombert ;)
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14:45 < Wombert> good to hear that :)
14:46 < raidman> do you remember you asked me about component, you ask a guy working on it, who was that guy and the tech name of that method which he works on it?
14:47 < Wombert> uh
14:47 < Wombert> do you mean this dependency injection stuff?
14:47 < Wombert> it was some guy from switzerland
14:47 < Wombert> can't remember his name
14:48 < raidman> yeah it is
14:48 < raidman> thanks
14:49 < Wombert> ah
14:49 < Wombert> zimba was his name
14:49 < Wombert> but he doesn't do any php anymore it seems
14:49 < Wombert> http://zimba.oree.ch/
14:49 < raidman> oh thanks
14:49 < raidman> I wonder how you understand what I'm saying with my horrible english :P
14:52 < Wombert> haha :)
14:52 < Wombert> actually, it's not difficult at all
14:52 < Wombert> your english is good man
14:57 < raidman> :)
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15:06 < Wombert> digitarald: are you using output type fallbacks?
15:08 < digitarald> only for my ajax actions ;)
15:08 < Wombert> and how
15:11 < digitarald> json as output type has a special renderer for json-data, fallback outputs the same data as xhtml including decorators
15:11 < Wombert> are you actually using the fallbacks
15:11 < digitarald> for non-ajax browsers ... and google
15:11 < Wombert> or is that just for development
15:11 < digitarald> development, i think ...
15:12 < digitarald> why, do u want to discard them?
15:13 < Wombert> yes
15:13 < digitarald> and what is the execute* when executeJson is missing but output type is json?
15:14 < Wombert> no, that will be run anyway
15:14 < Wombert> fallbacks are only for templates
15:14 < Wombert> didn't you know that? oO
15:14 < Wombert> we have too many chicken and egg situations already where we have to resort to hacks such as onFallback
15:14 < Wombert> and it's very complicated to handle that stuff in the caching
15:14 < Wombert> AND
15:14 < Wombert> I want to add per language template support now but that's gonna be a nightmare to implement
15:15 < Wombert> and make things even slower
15:16 < digitarald> ok ... thought u mean fallbacks in views ...
15:17 < digitarald> outtypestypes and fallbacks ... i use them, yes
15:18 < digitarald> in development && in live stage
15:24 < Wombert> in what way
15:43 < v-dogg> uuh... I still haven't figured out what causes these seg faults
15:47 < Wombert> do they occur with an older revision
15:48 < v-dogg> I haven't seen them before today
15:48 < Wombert> did you update today? :)
15:49 < Wombert> are you using translation?
15:49 < Wombert> does it occur without FPF?
15:52 < v-dogg> I'm using agavi #1108
15:52 < v-dogg> and disabling fpf might make a difference... hmm...
15:54 < Wombert> what PHP version, libxml version, PCRE version
15:54 < Wombert> are you using an external PCRE
15:57 < raidman> I'll catch yo later guys
15:57 < raidman> bye
15:57 < Wombert> bye
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15:57 < v-dogg> php 5.1.6, libxml 2.6.16
15:57 < v-dogg> pcre 6.6 06-Feb-2006
15:58 < Wombert> identical to my config
15:58 < Wombert> :S
16:06 < v-dogg> it seems to be fpf
16:07 < Wombert> f
16:07 < Wombert> u
16:07 < Wombert> c
16:07 < Wombert> k
16:07 < v-dogg> I can't say for sure because it happens so randomly, but it happened zero time when fpf was disabled
16:09 < Wombert> is it a large form?
16:09 < Wombert> can you try to create a reproduce case
16:09 < Wombert> the html passed to the FPF should be enough
16:09 < Wombert> you usually don't need to provide a populate attribute
16:09 < Wombert> gosh this suck man
16:10 < v-dogg> no, it's not a big form
16:10 < Wombert> dominik and I spent days trying to figure out why FPF was segfaulting in 5.0.x and in the end we gave up and moved to 5.1 as the minimum version
16:10 < Wombert> :(
16:10 < Wombert> yeah it was a small form back then, too
16:10 < v-dogg> and it happened at least with three different forms
16:10 < Wombert> awwww gdamnit
16:10 < Wombert> that is _so_ uncool
16:11 < v-dogg> :(
16:11 < Wombert> seriously
16:11 < Wombert> that ruined my day :(
16:11 < Wombert> I so hoped we'd never run into a problem like that again
16:11 < Wombert> it's almost impossible to fix
16:13 < Wombert> can you please upgrade to HEAD first?
16:14 < Wombert> we only did i18n stuff since 1108
16:14 < Wombert> and one or two routing fixes
16:14 < Wombert> http://svn.agavi.bitxtender.net/ , mind you
16:14 < Wombert> with /trunk
16:17 < Wombert> digitarald, eremit: you guys use FPF a lot, right?
16:17 < Wombert> did you run into any issues
16:17 < digitarald> right
16:17 < Wombert> what webserver, PHP, pecl, libxml versions
16:17 < digitarald> no unsolved issues
16:18 < digitarald> php 5.1.4 ... the rest i can't say from here, i'm can not access the dev-server right now
16:19 < Wombert> k
16:21 < eremit> right ...
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16:27 < v-dogg> Wombert: did you get it to seg fault with all combinations (xhtml, <?xml..., html)?
16:27 < Wombert> v-dogg: I think so yes
16:27 < Wombert> it was alittle weird
16:28 < Wombert> often when I changed something
16:28 < Wombert> it would work for very long
16:28 < Wombert> and just when you thought yeaaaaah that was it
16:28 < Wombert> BAM
16:28 < Wombert> segfault again
16:28 < v-dogg> just like this
16:28 < v-dogg> there's no rule
16:30 < v-dogg> now it works again..
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16:32 < v-dogg> 16:30 < v-dogg> now it works again..
16:32 < Wombert> yeah I read that
16:32 < Wombert> but I'm sure it'll come back
16:32 < Wombert> or did you change anything
16:32 < Wombert> it's most likely some memory corruption caused by a third party lib
16:32 < v-dogg> yep
16:32 < Wombert> nothing we can do, and nothing PHP can do about it
16:33 < v-dogg> sucks
16:33 < v-dogg> big time
16:33 < Wombert> I'm 99% sure the problem back then was libxml2 or pcre
16:33 < Wombert> because they had some bugs in their database etc that came... let's say close
16:33 < v-dogg> there, it happened again
16:33 < Wombert> uuuh
16:33 < Wombert> feck
16:33 < Wombert> you can try to use a newer php version
16:33 < Wombert> or compile 5.1.6 but use the latest libxml2
16:33 < v-dogg> fuck..
16:34 < v-dogg> really don't have time for this...
16:34 < v-dogg> but gotta get home now
16:34 < Wombert> ttyl
16:34 < v-dogg> thanks for your help
16:34 < Wombert> sure man
16:34 < v-dogg> later
16:38 < eremit> PHP 5.1.2-1ubuntu3 (security patches as of 5.1.6), libxml 2.6.24, pecl 1.4.6? you meant pcre 6.4.1
16:38 < Wombert> yes pcre
16:39 < Wombert> sorry
16:39 < Wombert> might well be libxml
16:39 < Wombert> they fixed some memleaks etc since
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16:55 < Wombert> splatch`: you there?
17:47 < splatch`> Wombert: yes
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18:06 < splatch`> Wombert: http://www.kazek.pl/fotka.png < that's kazek :)
18:08 < Wombert> :)
18:08 < Wombert> you wanna translate the sample app to polish?
18:08 < splatch`> Wombert: yes!
18:08 < Wombert> you have many plural forms I heard
18:09 < Wombert> that will be a good test for the plural gettext functionality
18:09 < splatch`> ok :)
18:09 < splatch`> Wombert: I must, you must, in polish "ja musz", "ty musisz"
18:10 < Wombert> ah
18:10 < Wombert> no
18:10 < Wombert> that's something else ;)
18:10 < Wombert> I mean.. .one car, two cars, three cars
18:10 < splatch`> ach
18:10 < splatch`> jeden dwa trzy cztery piec
18:10 < splatch`> pierwszy drugi trzeci
18:10 < splatch`> first, second etc
18:11 < Wombert> "Plural-Forms: nplurals=3; plural=n==1 ? 0 : %10>=2 && n%10<=4 && (n%100<10 || n%100>=20) ? 1 : 2;\n"
18:11 < splatch`> omg ;)
18:11 < Wombert> that's the rule for polish afaik
18:11 < Wombert> gettext .po plural form header ;)
18:11 < splatch`> i don't know ;)
18:11 < Wombert> 1 plik
18:11 < Wombert> 2 pliki
18:11 < Wombert> 5 plikow
18:11 < Wombert> right?
18:12 < splatch`> yes
18:12 < Wombert> see :) english only has "car" for 1, and "cars" for anything else ;)
18:12 < splatch`> ach
18:12 < splatch`> :]
18:12 < Wombert> 0 cars, 2 cars, 4 cars, 5 cars
18:12 < Wombert> we added support for that some days ago
18:12 < Wombert> but now we have to test it
18:13 < Wombert> I'll check in a basic .po file for you
18:13 < Wombert> so you only have to enter the strings
18:13 < Wombert> www.poedit.org
18:13 < Wombert> or KBabel
18:13 < Wombert> is what you need
18:15 < splatch`> ok.. what i can translate? :)
18:16 < Wombert> I'm checking in an empty file for you
18:17 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
18:17 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1149 : Changeset [1149]: polish .po template
18:17 < Wombert> if you use poedit, you have three variants for "Alternative languages:"
18:18 < Wombert> the first (0) is for value "1"
18:19 < Wombert> err
18:19 < Wombert> wait
18:19 < Wombert> aaaah
18:19 < Wombert> okay I have to fix it :)
18:19 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
18:19 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1150 : Changeset [1150]: fixed polish .po template
18:19 < Wombert> yes now it works and poEdit also shows example numbers for each variant
18:22 < splatch`> ok
18:23 < Wombert> dont forget svn switch --relocate svn://svn.agavi.org/agavi/ http://svn.agavi.bitxtender.net/
18:23 < Wombert> before you do svn up
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18:31 < digitarald> a friend asked me when agavi.org is back online?
18:31 < splatch`> Wombert: i've messages_pl.po
18:32 < splatch`> Wombert: and what i must do with poedit? ;)
18:33 < splatch`> just write polish sentences?
18:37 < Wombert> open it with poedit
18:37 < Wombert> and translate the messages, yeah
18:37 < Wombert> pay attention to : and . etc
18:37 < Wombert> and for "Alternative languages:" you have to enter three plural forms :)
18:38 < splatch`> 404 Not Found also? ;)
18:39 < raidman> excelent we will be have pl too :)
18:40 < splatch`> 404 nie znaleziono ;)
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18:41 < raidman> Wombert, for farsi I just remove 404 code, it's important to be in there?
18:41 < splatch`> #1 place > first place?
18:41 < raidman> removed*
18:41 < splatch`> #1 place > one place?
18:43 < digitarald> first
18:43 < Wombert> splatch`: first place
18:43 < Wombert> best place
18:43 < Wombert> raidman: 404?
18:43 < Wombert> uuuh
18:43 < Wombert> huuuh?
18:43 < Wombert> :>
18:43 < raidman> I just translate it w/o 404
18:44 < splatch`> Wombert: the most cheaper place?
18:44 < Wombert> splatch`: the best place to buy cheap <blah>
18:44 < splatch`> what for #1? :)
18:46 < Wombert> #1 place = best place
18:46 < Wombert> many search engine spammers use that
18:46 < Wombert> it''s for the SearchEngineSpamAction
18:46 < Wombert> which demoes optional URL parts etc
18:47 < Wombert> raidman: I don't understnad what you mean...
18:47 < Wombert> #: ../app/modules/Default/views/Error404SuccessView.class.php:33
18:47 < Wombert> msgid "404 Not Found"
18:47 < Wombert> msgstr "یافت نشد"
18:47 < Wombert> it's there !?
18:48 < raidman> I just escape 404 code in translation
18:48 < raidman> 404
18:49 < raidman> there is no 404 in there, makes sense?
18:50 < Wombert> aaah
18:50 < raidman> nevermind, I think that's not important :)
18:50 < Wombert> you mean you omitted the number "404" in there?
18:50 < Wombert> should it be in? you know the language, not me ;)
18:50 < raidman> yeah
18:50 < raidman> lol
18:50 < Wombert> tell me where to put it
18:50 < Wombert> on the very left?
18:50 < Wombert> on the right?
18:51 < Wombert> or in the middle
18:51 < raidman> right is better
18:51 < raidman> yes right is correct
18:51 < Wombert> haha ^^
18:51 < Wombert> textmate won't allow me to enter text on the right
18:51 < Wombert> uuuuuh
18:52 < Wombert> 404 یافت نشد
18:52 < Wombert> waaah
18:52 < Wombert> that's wrong isn't it
18:52 < splatch`> Wombert: i send mail to you
18:52 < Wombert> 404یافت نشد
18:52 < Wombert> 404 یافت نشد
18:52 < splatch`> Wombert: with translated .po
18:52 < Wombert> m00h
18:52 < Wombert> splatch`: thanks!
18:52 < splatch`> Wombert: you got my mail?
18:53 < Wombert> splatch`: yep!
18:53 < Wombert> oh
18:53 < splatch`> ..?
18:53 < Wombert> jezyki in both cases ;)
18:53 < raidman> lol
18:53 < raidman> Wombert, see . is on right
18:53 < splatch`> jeden jzyk, dwa jzyki, trzy jzyki
18:53 < splatch`> 10 jzykow
18:54 < Wombert> 404یافت نشد
18:54 < raidman> but in rtl msg is in left
18:54 * Wombert scratches his head
18:54 < raidman> Wombert, I'll do that, wait
18:54 < splatch`> Wombert: you use cp1250 ;)
18:54 < Wombert> nah I use utf8 :(
18:55 < Wombert> splatch`: but... hmm
18:55 < Wombert> msgstr[0] "Inny język:"
18:55 < Wombert> msgstr[1] "Inne języki:"
18:55 < Wombert> msgstr[2] "Inne języki:"
18:55 < Wombert> that's wrong then!?
18:55 < splatch`> Wombert: in orginal format was "Another languages:"
18:55 < Wombert> or is my plural string wrong
18:55 < Wombert> what is it for 5 ?
18:55 < splatch`> in single form "inny jzyk", in plural always "inne jzyki"
18:56 < Wombert> but 10 jezykoow ?
18:56 < splatch`> Wombert: in this context we've only two forms
18:56 < splatch`> single and prular
18:57 < Wombert> ah
18:57 < Wombert> and what is jezykoow ?
18:58 < splatch`> Wombert: if you count you must use ordinal and substantive in good form
18:58 < splatch`> ordinal + noun
18:59 < Wombert> one jezyki
18:59 < splatch`> Wombert: you sentence is:
18:59 < Wombert> two jezyki
18:59 < Wombert> three jezyki
18:59 < splatch`> Another language, Another languages
18:59 < Wombert> five jezyki
18:59 < Wombert> ten jezyki
18:59 < Kubicek> Wombert: looks like plural genitiv form from hedgehog
18:59 < splatch`> without ordinal
18:59 < Wombert> yes
18:59 < Wombert> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
18:59 < Wombert> so
19:00 < Wombert> aaaaaaah
19:00 < Wombert> aaaah
19:00 < Wombert> aaah!
19:00 < Wombert> :>
19:00 < Kubicek> one jezek, two jezci, three jezci, five jezku, ten jezku in czech :)
19:00 < Wombert> so if I also wanted to print the NUMBER of languages there
19:00 < Wombert> I'd have to use alternative forms
19:00 < Wombert> is that right?
19:00 < Wombert> Kubicek: wanna translate it to czech? :)
19:00 < Kubicek> oh shit :) i have mixed jezek and jazyk :)
19:00 < splatch`> jzyk :D
19:01 < Kubicek> splatch sure means language and not hedgehog :)
19:01 < Kubicek> splatch`: we have language = jazyk, hedgehog = jezek :)
19:01 < splatch`> Kubicek: jazyk'is russian form also :)
19:02 < splatch`> in polish jzyk = language and tongue :)
19:02 < Kubicek> one jazyk, two jazyky, three jazyky, five jazyku, ten jazyku in czech :)
19:02 < Kubicek> splatch`: tongue here too :)
19:02 < splatch`> Wombert: yes, with numbers we've other forms
19:02 < Wombert> aaah okay
19:02 < Wombert> now I get it
19:02 < Wombert> I'm stupid
19:02 < Wombert> I should have listened
19:02 < Wombert> sorry :)
19:03 < splatch`> n/p =]
19:03 < splatch`> you'll repair config_handlers.xml! ;]
19:03 < Wombert> is it broken?
19:03 < Wombert> :(
19:04 < raidman> Wombert, sorry, what was your email?
19:04 < splatch`> yes, when i added own handler
19:04 < Wombert> splatch`: "Polski" was the native name of your language, right?
19:04 < splatch`> i got exception
19:04 < Wombert> raidman: try to paste it here I can copy and paste it then
19:04 < splatch`> Wombert: yes
19:04 < Wombert> if possible
19:04 < Wombert> if not, dz@bitxtender.com
19:04 < Wombert> thanks :)
19:04 < raidman> email is better, np :)
19:05 < splatch`> Wombert: i'll agavi polish consult!
19:05 < splatch`> *polish agavi consult
19:06 < Wombert> :)
19:08 < raidman> Wombert, okey, done :)
19:08 < splatch`> Wombert: I thought about this
19:08 < splatch`> Wombert: Agavi support in polish :)
19:09 < splatch`> in Poland
19:09 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
19:09 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1151 : Changeset [1151]: Polish translation, thanks Lukasz
19:09 < splatch`> thangs AgaviBot ;)
19:10 < Kubicek> :)
19:10 < epaulin> :-D
19:13 < digitarald> can i become spanish agavi consult? ;)
19:13 < digitarald> *gettingouthissombreroandguitar*
19:14 < raidman> lol
19:18 < epaulin> me epaulin want to join the consult club
19:19 < epaulin> is this billionary's club?
19:19 < epaulin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCVxQ_3Ejkg
19:19 < epaulin> :- )
19:22 < raidman> http://www.plinko.net/404/
19:27 < Wombert> I find this youtube video rather disgusting
19:27 < Wombert> can you see how they have to grin all the time
19:27 < Wombert> and how they don't mean what they're saying?
19:27 < Wombert> how you can clearly see "haha thanks you morons for making us so rich we can't spend that money, ever?" :p
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19:30 < splatch`> morons :D
19:30 < Wombert> btw epaulin what's your name?
19:30 < epaulin> HaiMing Yin :-)
19:30 < Wombert> okay :)
19:31 < epaulin> ok, David
19:31 < Wombert> ok, haiming :)
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19:32 < Wombert> oO wtf
19:32 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
19:32 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1152 : Changeset [1152]: '404' code for farsi
19:32 < raidman> :)
19:32 < raidman> 404040404040
19:32 < raidman> :)
19:32 < Wombert> hah
19:32 < Wombert> bug, it seems
19:33 < Wombert> onNotMatched is never calle
19:33 < Wombert> d
19:33 < Wombert> hmm
19:33 < Wombert> WAAAH
19:33 < Wombert> WTF
19:33 < Wombert> :SSSS
19:33 < Wombert> err
19:33 < Wombert> xDDD
19:36 < splatch`> Wombert: hmm
19:36 < splatch`> i've the water_mark_name field in form
19:37 < splatch`> but i don't got that in parameters
19:37 < Wombert> validation mode?
19:37 < Wombert> "strict" or "tainted"?
19:37 < splatch`> i don't use validation
19:37 < Wombert> you never know ;)
19:37 < Wombert> look at factories.xml
19:37 < splatch`> tainted
19:37 < Wombert> for validator manager
19:37 < Wombert> hmm
19:38 < Wombert> and is there an ActionName.xml parameter?
19:38 < Wombert> err
19:38 < Wombert> -parameter+file
19:38 < Wombert> in modules/Modulename/validate/
19:38 < Wombert> ?
19:38 < splatch`> no
19:38 < Wombert> does it have any validate() method or so?
19:38 < Wombert> hmm
19:38 < splatch`> don't use validation yet
19:38 < Wombert> okay
19:38 < Wombert> does the data arrive?
19:38 < Wombert> check $_POST in index.php
19:39 < splatch`> yeno :|
19:39 < splatch`> no :|
19:40 < Wombert> then it's a problem in your form ;)
19:40 < splatch`> thats sick ;)
19:40 < splatch`> why ff don't send input!?
19:41 < Wombert> I have no idea
19:42 < splatch`> hidden was sent
19:42 < splatch`> but text no
19:42 < splatch`> <input type="text" name="water_mark_name" id="water_mark_name"
19:42 < splatch`> value="{$template.mark->getWaterMarkName()}"
19:42 < splatch`> />
19:43 < splatch`> does this code's good?
19:43 < Wombert> no
19:43 < Wombert> id and name share the same namespace
19:43 < Wombert> you're not allowed to give them the same identifier in both fields
19:43 < Wombert> I usually use fe-<name> as the id
19:43 < Wombert> why do you insert a value? :(
19:44 < splatch`> i don;t know "fe-<name>"
19:44 < Wombert> ?
19:45 < Wombert> <input type="text" name="foobar" id="fe-foobar" />
19:45 < Wombert> you're not allowed to put "foobar" in both name and id
19:45 < splatch`> ok, but that still not workin' :)
19:45 < digitarald> xml validator does not throw exceptions because of that id/name namespace conflict ... which validator does validate that strange conflict??
19:45 < Wombert> it's an html dtd constraint
19:46 < Wombert> (how could it be xml anyway)
19:46 < Wombert> splatch`: did you re-load the form and enter the data again?
19:46 < Wombert> pressing f5 won't help ;)
19:46 < splatch`> http://phpfi.com/164371
19:46 < Wombert> any still. why do you do value="{$template.mark->getWaterMarkName()}" ?
19:47 < splatch`> thats my form
19:47 < splatch`> Wombert: that's form with smarty and propel
19:47 < Wombert> errrr
19:47 * Wombert sighs
19:47 < Wombert> okay
19:47 < splatch`> $template.mark is an objects
19:47 < Wombert> let me fix that for you :)
19:47 < splatch`> :)
19:48 * splatch` listen
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19:50 < splatch`> Wombert: You know what's wrong in my template?
19:50 < Wombert> yes
19:50 < Wombert> I'm fixing it
19:51 < splatch`> Wombert: il/li?
19:52 < Wombert> just one second please
19:54 < epaulin> time to sleep, bye you guys
19:54 < Wombert> bye epaulin
19:54 < splatch`> bye
19:54 < epaulin> part
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19:54 < Wombert> a) go to output_types.xml and add a parameter "extract_vars" with value true for the renderer (not the output type itself!), and set slots to no-extract and give that variable a name, see sample app
19:54 < Wombert> b) don't use value="...", use the form population filter instead, it's easier and also automatically escapes your input so you don't get any security problems! $req->setAttribute('populate', new AgaviParameterHolder(array('fieldname' => $value1, 'fieldname2' => $value2)), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter'); that's also in the sample app
19:54 < Wombert> http://phpfi.com/164372
19:55 < Wombert> and most importantly!!!!!
19:55 < Wombert> use the gen() method of the routing!
19:55 < splatch`> Wombert: form populartion filter broken my ajax support :(
19:55 < Wombert> really?
19:55 < Wombert> oO
19:55 < splatch`> yes
19:55 < Wombert> well
19:55 < Wombert> why don't you tell me that then
19:55 < splatch`> they're add headers
19:55 < Wombert> so I can fix it
19:55 < splatch`> and DTD
19:55 < Wombert> you have a dedicated output type for ajax, right?
19:56 < Wombert> you need that
19:56 < Wombert> anyway
19:56 < splatch`> i've
19:56 < Wombert> and then you can set the form population filter to only run for html!
19:56 < splatch`> really? :)
19:56 < Wombert> of course :)
19:56 < Wombert> so...
19:56 < splatch`> how i can do that?
19:56 < Wombert> in the first line
19:56 < Wombert> use gen(), okay?
19:56 < Wombert> edit_watermark is the name of the route
19:57 < Wombert> it will generate the url then
19:57 < Wombert> and if you change the route
19:57 < splatch`> i know, but i use generic routes
19:57 < Wombert> all urls in the templates change
19:57 < splatch`> but, i can change this :]
19:57 < Wombert> yeah it's just a suggestion
19:57 < Wombert> I removed $template.
19:58 < Wombert> ah wait actually that's not in the sample app
19:58 < Wombert> you're using smarty?
19:58 < splatch`> yes
19:58 < splatch`> that's habit :]
19:58 < Wombert> no problem just a question
19:58 < Wombert> mom
19:59 < Wombert> http://phpfi.com/164376
19:59 < Wombert> something like that
19:59 < Wombert> this way, $template will always be extracted
19:59 < Wombert> so it's $mark, not $template.mark
19:59 < Wombert> saves you a lot of typing :)
20:00 < Wombert> did you see the problem why the form wasn't working? your <input type="file" /> used "water_mark_name" as the name!
20:00 < Wombert> so it overwrote that
20:00 < Wombert> by the way the form needs enctype="multipart/form-data" for files
20:01 < splatch`> omg, i so stupid
20:01 < splatch`> *i'm
20:01 < Wombert> ;)
20:01 < Wombert> it's the usual mistake every developer makes
20:01 < Wombert> so
20:01 < Wombert> switch the FPF on again
20:01 < Wombert> and then
20:01 < Wombert> use
20:02 < Wombert> <parameters>
20:02 < Wombert> <parameter name="output_types">html</parameter>
20:02 < Wombert> </parameters>
20:02 < Wombert> for it
20:02 < Wombert> so it only runs for the html output type
20:02 < Wombert> not for the ajax one
20:04 < splatch`> cool!
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20:25 < Wombert> splatch`: does it work?
20:26 < splatch`> Wombert: give me a moment
20:26 < splatch`> my notebook is so slow ..
20:28 < Wombert> np
20:37 < splatch`> Wombert: http://phpfi.com/164385 that's my population parameters
20:38 < Wombert> you can't populate an object!?
20:38 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
20:38 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1154 : Changeset [1154]: run onNotMatched() if onMatched() decided we didn't match xD
20:38 < AgaviBot> 2) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1153 : Changeset [1153]: whitespace fixes
20:39 < splatch`> Wombert: i'll don't do that :)
20:40 < splatch`> http://phpfi.com/164387
20:40 < splatch`> that's new population attribute
20:40 < Wombert> what's validation_failures ?
20:40 < Wombert> hm okay
20:40 < Wombert> and this doesn't work?
20:40 < Wombert> or what?
20:40 < splatch`> no :)
20:40 < splatch`> doesn't work
20:41 < splatch`> i set methods for filter
20:41 < splatch`> write, post
20:41 < splatch`> back
20:41 < Wombert> show me the global_filters.xml
20:41 < splatch`> write, read
20:41 < Wombert> and the code in the view that sets the parameters
20:41 < splatch`> http://phpfi.com/164388
20:42 < Wombert> okay
20:42 < splatch`> http://phpfi.com/164389
20:42 < splatch`> view code
20:42 < Wombert> remove "read" again!
20:43 < splatch`> why?
20:43 < splatch`> get > show form
20:43 < splatch`> post > save form
20:43 < Wombert> yes
20:43 < Wombert> but
20:43 < Wombert> you want _automatic_ re-population only on "write"
20:43 < Wombert> not always on read
20:43 < Wombert> that's not a good idea
20:43 < Wombert> people can inject values into forms via foo?bar then
20:43 < Wombert> or so
20:43 < Wombert> and
20:43 < Wombert> $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', $helper->extract($mark));
20:43 < Wombert> is wrong :)
20:44 < Wombert> $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', $helper->extract($mark), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
20:44 < Wombert> but
20:44 < Wombert> keep in mind that you cannot set values for <input type="file">
20:44 < Wombert> and
20:44 < Wombert> $propel = $this->getContext()->getDatabaseManager()->getDatabase('Sheep');
20:44 < Wombert> $propel->connect();
20:44 < Wombert>
20:44 < Wombert> that's not needed!
20:44 < splatch`> Wombert: that's automatic
20:45 < Wombert> wbat is automatic
20:45 < splatch`> helper->extract
20:45 < splatch`> looking for getters
20:45 < splatch`> and put value into parameter holder
20:45 < Wombert> yes but the namespace is missing!
20:45 < Wombert> look at it again!
20:45 < Wombert> [19:43] Wombert: $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', $helper->extract($mark));
20:45 < Wombert> [19:43] Wombert: is wrong
20:45 < Wombert> [19:44] Wombert: $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', $helper->extract($mark), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
20:45 < splatch`> i saw that :]
20:46 < Wombert> 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter' as the third argument
20:46 < Wombert> and you don't have to initialize propel!
20:46 < Wombert> or call connect!
20:47 < splatch`> without this Propel::include doesn't works
20:48 < splatch`> i've classes in autoload
20:48 < splatch`> but propel is not work's without that lines
20:49 < Wombert> then you're doing something wrong :(
20:49 < Wombert> what does your database.xml look like
20:49 < Wombert> is it propel 1.2?
20:49 < Wombert> doesn't work with 1.1
20:49 < splatch`> yes that's propel 1.2
20:49 < splatch`> but i turned off use_autoload :)
20:50 < Wombert> uuuh
20:50 < Wombert> why?
20:50 < splatch`> that was broke something
20:50 < splatch`> but..
20:50 < splatch`> hm
20:50 < Wombert> try again :)
20:50 < Wombert> it works, we're using that in all our projects
20:50 < Wombert> I'll help you
20:50 < splatch`> now works fine :]
20:51 < Wombert> hah
20:51 < Wombert> see :)
20:51 < splatch`> ok, now i need form population filter in read method ;>
20:52 < splatch`> Wombert: I can use orginal objects
20:52 < splatch`> in read method
20:57 < splatch`> Wombert: does that will good?
20:58 < Wombert> read method?
20:58 < Wombert> errrrrr
20:58 < splatch`> yes, in read i'll use only objects from database
20:58 < splatch`> btw in that way i can't use population for ajax :]
20:59 < splatch`> but.. hm, i can change my ajax support
20:59 < Wombert> uh
20:59 < Wombert> okay
20:59 < Wombert> wait
20:59 < splatch`> because now, i'm using $(el).innerHTML
20:59 < Wombert> you mean
20:59 < Wombert> that setAttribute('populate') should only be done on read, right?
20:59 < Wombert> right now, it's done in both cases
21:00 < splatch`> yes
21:00 < Wombert> right
21:00 < Wombert> wrap everything
21:00 < Wombert> except the template assignments
21:00 < Wombert> into if($req->getMethod() == 'read')
21:00 < Wombert> that way, on the initial load of the edit form the data will be there
21:00 < splatch`> FPF using input parameters?
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21:01 < Wombert> fpf will use the input parameters on write
21:01 < splatch`> minds post/get variables
21:01 < Wombert> if the form is submitted via POST and displayed again
21:01 < Wombert> the FPF will insert the data the user has entered
21:04 < splatch`> doesn't works
21:04 < Wombert> show me all the code
21:04 < splatch`> $req->setAttribute(
21:04 < splatch`> 'populate', $in,
21:04 < splatch`> 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter'
21:04 < splatch`> );
21:04 < splatch`> where is in is right parameter holder
21:04 < Wombert> view code please
21:05 < splatch`> http://phpfi.com/164396
21:06 < splatch`> there's getPrimaryKey
21:06 < splatch`> but in text field still i haven't value
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21:14 < splatch`> does fpf adding also info about errors?
21:18 < splatch`> hm
21:20 < splatch`> Wombert: line 188 in fpf
21:21 < splatch`> after continue fpf going out
21:22 < splatch`> ha
21:22 < splatch`> without continue in line 188 works fine :]
21:22 < Wombert> yes
21:23 < Wombert> becasue the url is wrong
21:23 < Wombert> simple
21:23 < Wombert> watermark_edit
21:23 < Wombert> points to the wrong url
21:23 < Wombert> it's not the same as the url in the current location
21:23 < Wombert> splatch`: you still have errors
21:23 < Wombert> <input type="file" name="water_mark_name" />
21:23 < Wombert>
21:23 < Wombert> still wrong
21:23 < splatch`> Wombert: dont watch this
21:24 < splatch`> thats stuff for javascript
21:24 < Wombert> yes bust you have duplicate names
21:24 < Wombert> that might cause problems
21:24 < Wombert> you should change it
21:24 < splatch`> Wombert: now i havn't this
21:24 < splatch`> Wombert: i've two routes
21:25 < splatch`> /Watermark, and subroute /Edit
21:26 < Wombert> fpf will add error info, yes
21:26 < Wombert> splatch`: maybe you should try it with the sample app first?
21:27 < splatch`> http://phpfi.com/164405
21:27 < splatch`> my routes
21:27 < Wombert> <route pattern="(.*?)" source="_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT]" output_type="xhtml" stop="false" />
21:27 < Wombert>
21:27 < Wombert> not necessary if xhtml is the default anyway
21:27 < Wombert> <route name="logout" pattern="/logout" module="%actions.login_module%" action="Logout" />
21:27 < Wombert>
21:27 < Wombert> module etc are inherited from parent
21:28 < Wombert> <route name="watermark" pattern="(?i)/Watermark/" module="Watermark">
21:28 < Wombert>
21:28 < Wombert> I'm not sure if that is supported
21:29 < Wombert> dominik says that's not possible
21:29 < splatch`> ignore case
21:29 < Wombert> yes but the routing can't handle that afaik
21:29 < Wombert> btw
21:29 < Wombert> URLs are case sensitive per spec by the way
21:30 < splatch`> Wombert: that's works
21:30 < splatch`> (?i)
21:34 < Wombert> splatch`: open the sample app first
21:34 < Wombert> try to login
21:34 < Wombert> do you see how the values you entered are re-inserted (execpt for the password)
21:35 < splatch`> yes
21:35 < splatch`> and red label
21:35 < Wombert> okay
21:35 < Wombert> now open the view for that
21:35 < splatch`> i found bug
21:36 < splatch`> one of the conditions in if
21:36 < splatch`> returns http://sklep/http://sklep/Watermark/Edit/
21:36 < splatch`> so thats not my request uri
21:36 < splatch`> and FPF doesn works
21:36 < splatch`> preg_replace(array('#/./#', '#/.$#', '#[^\./]+/\.\.(/|\z)#'), array('/', '/', ''), $baseHref . $action)
21:36 < Wombert> okay
21:37 < splatch`> my request uri are /Watermark/Edit/1
21:37 < Wombert> aaah!
21:37 < splatch`> and that's not equal
21:37 < Wombert> see
21:37 < Wombert> that's the problem there :)
21:38 < Wombert> so
21:38 < Wombert> what you need
21:38 < Wombert> is
21:38 < splatch`> .... [waitn']
21:38 < splatch`> ;)
21:38 < Wombert> $r->gen('watermark_edit', array('id' => $id);
21:38 < Wombert> :)
21:39 < Wombert> I hope you can do that with smarty :p
21:39 < Wombert> if not... do it in the view and assign it as a variable
21:39 < Wombert> the URLs must be equal
21:39 < splatch`> Wombert: but that's code in other template
21:39 < splatch`> ach, moment
21:39 < splatch`> request uri
21:39 < Wombert> another way would be to override the form to populate in the view based on it's id but that's a bad idea because that would only work on read, not on write
21:39 < Wombert> in the form!
21:39 < splatch`> i see
21:39 < splatch`> i can't wrote own address !
21:40 < Wombert> <form class="edit_form"
21:40 < Wombert> method="post" action="{$r->gen('watermark_edit', array('id' => $template.mark->getPrimaryKey())}"
21:40 < Wombert> enctype="multipart/form-data" >
21:40 < Wombert> tadaaaa... there's your #1 argument against smarty :)
21:42 < splatch`> och fuck,
21:43 < splatch`> syntax error: unrecognized tag: $r->gen('watermark_edit', array('id' => $mark->getPrimaryKey() (Smarty_Compiler.class.php, line 439) in
21:44 < splatch`> $r->gen('watermark_edit', array('id' => $mark->getPrimaryKey())
21:44 < Wombert> yeah
21:44 < Wombert> smarty
21:44 < Wombert> sucks :)
21:45 < Wombert> build the url in the view and assign it as a template var
21:45 < splatch`> yes, bad habits
21:45 < Wombert> :)
21:45 < Wombert> certainly not your fault
21:47 < splatch`> i can't use assign =|
21:47 < splatch`> i've this in foreach loop
21:47 < splatch`> in previous page (index)
21:47 < splatch`> i'll wrote function
21:47 < splatch`> smarty sucks
21:49 < splatch`> Wombert: are you used php tal before?
21:49 < Wombert> yes
21:49 < Wombert> it sucks
21:49 < splatch`> phptal sucks?
21:49 < Wombert> yeah
21:50 < splatch`> why? :)
21:50 < Wombert> you can't call methods with arguments
21:51 < Wombert> the original TAL (for zope/python) had that feature
21:51 < Wombert> tal:content="var/callMethod()"
21:51 < Wombert> and tal:content="var/callMethod(argument)"
21:51 < Wombert> but PHPTAL doesn't allow ()
21:52 < splatch`> oO
21:52 < splatch`> that's worst than smarty :]
21:52 < Wombert> and tries to check if tal:content="var/callMethod" means a method, or a property, or an array index
21:52 < Wombert> yeah PHPTAL has many good ideas but I quickly realized that it's too complicated to use in daily life
21:52 < Wombert> a few changes, and it would be sooooo cool
21:53 < splatch`> maybe in 3.0?
21:54 < Wombert> yeah ^^
21:57 < splatch`> i have urls generated by AgaviRoutes
21:57 < splatch`> but fpf still doesn't works ;)
21:59 < splatch`> $req->getUrl() - http://sklep/Watermark/Edit/1 that's good value right?
22:00 < Wombert> yes and what does genUrl() gneerate
22:00 < Wombert> look at the source
22:00 < Wombert> for the form action
22:02 < splatch`> i don;t got any idea why that's not works
22:04 < Wombert> go back to the sample app
22:04 < Wombert> and in the view
22:04 < Wombert> add this
22:04 < Wombert> if($this->getContext()->getRequest()->getMethod() == 'read') {
22:05 < Wombert> $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', new AgaviFormPopulationFilter(array('username' => 'hello test')), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
22:05 < Wombert> }
22:05 < Wombert> then click the login menu item
22:05 < Wombert> "hello test" will show up in the input field
22:05 < Wombert> delete that and overwrite it with something else
22:05 < Wombert> then click submit to login
22:06 < Wombert> what you entered will appear this time, because the method was not "read" (so the if is not run) but "write" (so the FPF will run as configured in global_filters.xml)
22:07 < splatch`> does FPF worin only in one mode?
22:07 < Wombert> no
22:07 < Wombert> it will automatically do it's work in the mode you tell it to
22:07 < Wombert> in our case, that's "write"
22:08 < Wombert> and in most other cases, too
22:08 < Wombert> even in your case
22:08 < Wombert> you don't want to always run it on "read" !
22:08 < Wombert> that's a security risk
22:08 < splatch`> i want FPF in read mode
22:08 < Wombert> no
22:08 < Wombert> you want to populate using FPF in read mode
22:08 < Wombert> that's something different
22:08 < splatch`> because i give him variables
22:08 < Wombert> for methods where it's not configured to run automatically, you set the "populate" attribute
22:09 < Wombert> please, splatch`
22:09 < Wombert> [21:04] Wombert: if($this->getContext()->getRequest()->getMethod() == 'read') {
22:09 < Wombert> [21:05] Wombert: $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', new AgaviFormPopulationFilter(array('username' => 'hello test')), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
22:09 < Wombert> [21:05] Wombert: }
22:09 < Wombert> add that to the LoginInputView and see for yourself :)
22:10 < Wombert> look at global_filters.xml in the sample app then
22:10 < Wombert> do you understand how it works now? :)
22:11 < splatch`> hm.. rather yes ;)
22:25 < v-dogg> Wombert: you sure that's correct?
22:25 < Wombert> tested it, worksforme
22:25 < Wombert> :)
22:25 < v-dogg> new AgaviFormPopulationFilter(array...
22:25 < Wombert> why not?
22:25 < Wombert> whoa
22:25 < Wombert> ROFL
22:25 < Wombert> and it still works
22:25 < Wombert> lol
22:25 < Wombert> :>>>
22:26 < Wombert> yeah it's not entirely correct but it works xDDDD
22:26 < Wombert> the filter is a parameterholder <:
22:26 < Wombert> haha
22:26 < Wombert> thanks :)
22:26 < Wombert> that would be new AgaviParmeterHolder, of course
22:26 < Wombert> thanks man
22:33 < splatch`> hmm
22:33 < splatch`> <input type="file" name="water_mark_name">
22:33 < splatch`> after FPF
22:34 < splatch`> must i set parse_xhtml_as_xml?
22:34 < v-dogg> <input ... />
22:34 < Wombert> if the document is declared as xhtml
22:34 < Wombert> via doctype
22:34 < Wombert> the FPF will parse it as XML
22:34 < Wombert> so it must be well-formed
22:35 < splatch`> it is
22:35 < splatch`> but after fps it isn't
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22:35 < Wombert> then you don't have an XHTML doctype
22:36 < splatch`> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
22:36 < Wombert> do you have a doctype
22:36 < splatch`> <!DOCTYPE html ..
22:36 < Wombert> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
22:36 < Wombert> yeah
22:36 < Wombert> and what does it say
22:37 < Wombert> what does it look like
22:37 < Wombert> ?
22:37 < splatch`> like html 3.0 :)
22:37 < splatch`> give me a moment
22:38 < Wombert> :D
22:48 < splatch`> http://phpfi.com/164431
22:48 < splatch`> that's output
22:49 < splatch`> Wombert: in read thats works
22:49 < Wombert> and in post
22:49 < Wombert> it's empty
22:49 < Wombert> right?
22:50 < Wombert> please
22:50 < Wombert> please
22:50 < Wombert> please
22:50 < Wombert> <input type="file" name="water_mark_name"
22:50 < Wombert> try to change that first
22:50 < Wombert> to water_mark_file
22:50 < Wombert> and remember... label reference ids, not names
22:50 < splatch`> yes, yes
22:51 < splatch`> Wombert: still the same output
22:52 < splatch`> <input type="file" name="water_mark_file" id="fe-water_mark_file" />
22:53 < Wombert> your global_filters.xml?
22:53 < splatch`> methods - write, methods - xhtml
22:54 < Wombert> methods?
22:54 < splatch`> output_types
22:57 < Wombert> hmmm
22:57 < splatch`> moment .. :)
22:58 < Wombert> can you show me the view code again? :)
22:58 < splatch`> one moment, eclipse crash my windows ;)
22:59 < splatch`> Wombert: how to create optional validator rule?
22:59 < Wombert> severity="none" but kaos must fix that first
22:59 < Wombert> I think
23:00 < Wombert> it's not really 100% done yet this optional stuff
23:00 < Wombert> but that can't be the problem here
23:00 < Wombert> even with validation or broken validation the population would work
23:01 * kaos throws a large pillow at Wombert
23:01 < kaos> you'r off in icq
23:03 < splatch`> Wombert: i'm return 'Error' in executeWrite
23:03 < Wombert> aaaaaaaaaah
23:03 < Wombert> okay
23:03 < splatch`> ...? :]
23:03 < Wombert> so we're getting closer :p
23:03 < Wombert> now show me inputview and errorview please
23:05 < splatch`> edit input http://phpfi.com/164438, edit error http://phpfi.com/164439
23:05 * Wombert starts to cry
23:06 < Wombert> [20:00] Wombert: wrap everything
23:06 < Wombert> [20:00] Wombert: except the template assignments
23:06 < Wombert> [20:00] Wombert: into if($req->getMethod() == 'read')
23:06 < Wombert> :(
23:07 < splatch`> input view it's always read
23:07 < Wombert> ehm
23:07 < splatch`> error it's write
23:07 < Wombert> isn't errorview broken
23:07 < Wombert> it's the wrong way around
23:07 < Wombert> yes, and on write, you shouldn't populate!
23:07 < Wombert> you don't need the data from propel etc in the error view
23:07 < splatch`> without populate still not work :]
23:07 < Wombert> you just want to show the form again
23:07 < Wombert> $this->setTemplate(AgaviConfig::get('core.template_dir') . '/success');
23:07 < Wombert> $this->setDecoratorTemplate('EditInput');
23:07 < Wombert> isn't that wrong?
23:08 < splatch`> Wombert: kill me, that's wrong
23:08 < splatch`> but with admin template still not works
23:09 < Wombert> decorator and template are the wrong way round
23:09 < Wombert> $this->setTemplate('EditInput');
23:09 < Wombert> $this->setDecoratorTemplate(AgaviConfig::get('core.template_dir') . '/admin');
23:09 < Wombert> that should work
23:09 < Wombert> and now
23:09 < Wombert> remove
23:09 < Wombert> $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute(
23:09 < Wombert> 'populate', $in, 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter'
23:09 < Wombert> );
23:09 < Wombert> from error view
23:10 < splatch`> still nothing :|
23:10 < Wombert> by the way, I don't think you need the propel helper
23:10 < Wombert> you can just call ->toArray() on objects
23:10 < splatch`> Wombert: i'm need in error view object :]
23:10 < splatch`> i'm using object name
23:11 < splatch`> hm
23:11 < splatch`> array..
23:14 * splatch` is smashing up the head against the table
23:14 < Wombert> does it work?
23:14 < splatch`> my helper isn't problem
23:14 < Wombert> yes I know
23:14 < Wombert> show me both views again please :)
23:15 < splatch`> uff
23:15 < splatch`> i got
23:17 < splatch`> just another slip-up and I'll hang myself
23:18 < splatch`> sorry Wombert, don't understood you messages, that's start of all my problems
23:18 < Wombert> yeah we hit the language barrier here ;)
23:18 < Wombert> can you show me the code for both views again please
23:18 < Wombert> and maybe also the action code
23:20 < splatch`> works
23:20 < splatch`> the problem was my mistake in values
23:20 < Wombert> :S
23:20 < splatch`> DecoratorTempalte isn't EditInput
23:21 < splatch`> and Template isn't /admin
23:21 < Wombert> I said that all the time!!!!!!
23:21 < Wombert> :(
23:21 < Wombert> [22:09] Wombert: $this->setTemplate('EditInput');
23:21 < Wombert> [22:09] Wombert: $this->setDecoratorTemplate(AgaviConfig::get('core.template_dir') . '/admin');
23:21 < Wombert> [22:09] Wombert: that should work
23:21 < Wombert> :(
23:22 < splatch`> Wombert: kill me and my stupid mind now, that'll the best service for me and world
23:22 < Wombert> hah
23:22 < Wombert> no :)
23:22 < Wombert> so everything works now?
23:22 < Wombert> let me know if you have any more problems
23:23 < splatch`> yes, only labels aren'red
23:23 < Wombert> yep
23:23 < Wombert> because
23:23 < Wombert> you don't use fe-elementname
23:23 < splatch`> structure :]
23:23 < Wombert> :)
23:23 < Wombert> no
23:23 < Wombert> as I said, labels must refer to the ids of an element, not to the name!
23:23 < splatch`> no noe mr Womber! :]
23:23 < Wombert> <label for="fe-username">Username</label>
23:23 < splatch`> i'm using labels in span
23:24 < Wombert> <input type="text" name="username" id="fe-username" />
23:24 < Wombert> that doesn't matter
23:24 < impl> hehe
23:24 < Wombert> the FPF will detect the label and make it red if it's coupled to the element this way
23:24 < Wombert> BUT
23:24 < Wombert> you have to add css for that of course!
23:24 < Wombert> it's not gonna be red by itself
23:24 < Wombert> FPF only adds a class "error" to the form element and the label
23:24 < Wombert> (if there is a validation error for the field)
23:33 * splatch` destroing own notebook ...
23:33 < splatch`> Wombert: my view http://phpfi.com/164449 :_
23:33 < splatch`> :)
23:33 < splatch`> <label for="fe-water_mark_name">
23:34 < Wombert> okay
23:34 < Wombert> any problems with that?
23:34 < splatch`> me :)
23:34 < splatch`> I am the problem
23:35 < Wombert> do you need them red on error?
23:35 < Wombert> input.error, textarea.error {
23:35 < Wombert> background-color: #FFE0E0;
23:35 < Wombert> }
23:35 < Wombert> label.error {
23:35 < Wombert> color: #D00;
23:35 < Wombert> }
23:35 < Wombert> for your css
23:35 < Wombert> :)
23:37 < splatch`> ok.. can i add error messages before/after field?
23:37 < Wombert> that's currently not possible
23:37 < Wombert> but I will add that as a feature for 1.0
23:38 < Wombert> you can do it by hand, of course
23:38 < Wombert> but not automated
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23:45 < splatch`> Wombert: can i add simple span to FPF?
23:45 < splatch`> element->parentNode->appendChild
23:46 < Wombert> no
23:46 < Wombert> not yet
23:46 < Wombert> I'll add that feature
23:46 < Wombert> where you can define an xpath expression to determine a location
23:46 < Wombert> and then insert custom xhtml
23:46 < Wombert> it's a bit complicated, but I already have an idea how it can work
23:47 < Wombert> I'll do that for 1.0, promised :)
23:47 < splatch`> ok :]
23:47 < Wombert> maybe even for 0.11
23:47 < Wombert> shouödn't take too long
23:47 < splatch`> - polish mark :]
23:52 < Wombert> speaking of which?
23:53 < Wombert> did you hear from kazek?
23:53 < Wombert> bob already switched agavi.org over to the new server :)
23:53 < Wombert> will take some time before the namesevers see the change, though
23:53 < splatch`> Wombert: yes, kazek are currently online
23:53 < Wombert> splatch`: if he doesn't have time right now, no problem
23:53 < Wombert> or if he has other things to do
23:54 < Wombert> I was just wondering :)
23:54 < splatch`> he's doing something with agavi now
23:54 < splatch`> he told me this :)
23:55 < Wombert> oh cool
23:55 < Wombert> heh then I won't go to bet soon today :) and stay up instead :)
23:56 < Wombert> "go to bed" of course :)
23:58 < splatch`> Wombert: kazek will send link[s] to after 2AM by mail
23:58 < Wombert> oh
23:58 < Wombert> okay then :)
23:58 < Wombert> I'll be in bed by then because I'm still a little ill and I hope if I go to bed early today, I'll feel good tomorrow
23:59 < Wombert> so I will wait until the morning :)
23:59 < Wombert> say thanks to him, and remind him that he doesn't have to stay up all night or so!
23:59 < Wombert> if he is tired, or if he has no time right now, I can also wait until tomorrow :)
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00:00 < splatch`> Wombert: even i didn't worsen the mood for you? :)
00:01 < Wombert> no :)
00:01 < Wombert> it was just complicated because we had a hard time understanding each other
00:01 < Wombert> but hey
00:01 < Wombert> I'm here to help!
00:02 < Wombert> and you#re always welcome to ask questions
00:02 < Wombert> however stupid you may think they are
00:02 < Wombert> there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers
00:02 < Wombert> or so I heard ;)
00:04 < splatch`> Wombert: there are stupid questions
00:04 < splatch`> Wombert: that sentence doesn't make any sense
00:05 < splatch`> Wombert: i can wrote "asdf12?" to you - thats stupid question
00:05 < splatch`> and you can't give me an answer
00:05 < Wombert> hmm
00:05 < Wombert> I would think your cat walked over your keyboard :)
00:05 < Wombert> do you have a cat?
00:05 < Wombert> :)
00:05 < splatch`> no :]
00:05 < Wombert> that sentence is from "Forrest Gump" actually
00:05 < Wombert> about stupid questions and stupid answers
00:06 < splatch`> Forrest was a good boy
00:06 < Wombert> did you see forrest gump?
00:06 < Wombert> see
00:06 < Wombert> :)=
00:06 < splatch`> but that been a long time ago
00:06 < Wombert> and he said "there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers"
00:06 < Wombert> at least I think it was in that movie
00:06 < impl> I prefer "There's no such thing as stupid questions, only stupid people"
00:07 < impl> :X
00:07 < splatch`> impl: exactly!
00:07 < Wombert> oO
00:07 < splatch`> impl: you've next example - just look me! :)
00:08 < Wombert> seriously
00:08 < Wombert> it's not you
00:08 < Wombert> it's much rather that you didn't understand me
00:08 < splatch`> it's me
00:08 < Wombert> and I didn't understand you ;)
00:09 < Wombert> no... not your intellect or anything
00:09 < Wombert> maybe your english skills
00:09 < impl> I don't think the ability to speak a language determines intelligence, yeah
00:09 < impl> hehe
00:09 < impl> I mean, if I tried to speak Polish
00:09 < Wombert> but not your brain and your knowledge and your programming skills
00:09 < impl> I'd be like wyxyzyzyvyfifjkjksz
00:09 < impl> That's how Polish looks to me
00:09 < splatch`> Wombert: no, i'm know me, on #php.pl at ircnet, i'll gave ban for himself
00:09 < impl> splatch`: Do you know Trancer?
00:10 < splatch`> impl: we use "wsad" keybords :]
00:10 < splatch`> impl: no
00:10 < impl> Oh
00:10 < impl> okay.
00:10 < Wombert> oO
00:10 < impl> What's the advantage of a wsad keyboard?
00:10 < Wombert> we use qwertz/asdf keyboards
00:11 < impl> qwertyuiop
00:11 < impl> asdfghjkl
00:11 < impl> zxcvbnm
00:11 < splatch`> qwertyuiop
00:11 < splatch`> asdfghjkl
00:11 < splatch`> zxcvbnm
00:11 < splatch`> the same
00:11 < splatch`> qwertz are ba :]
00:12 < splatch`> In Win 98 i had qwertz :]
00:15 < splatch`> before you send any message check it two times
00:15 < splatch`> Wombert: today i don't do that
00:16 < Wombert> hey
00:16 < Wombert> lukasz
00:16 < Wombert> it's no problem
00:16 < Wombert> really
00:17 < splatch`> Wombert: that's problem
00:18 < splatch`> let me explain you
00:18 < splatch`> *lets
00:18 < splatch`> let's
00:19 < splatch`> I'm an operator at ircnet channel and many times I banned other users because they have wrong questions
00:19 < splatch`> like "what does minds perrmission denied" and something like this
00:19 < splatch`> today i was just like this user
00:20 < splatch`> zero ideas, zero invention
00:20 < Wombert> no
00:20 < Wombert> because a) english is difficult for you
00:20 < Wombert> and b) we have no documentation
00:21 < Wombert> I can't expect you to know everything!
00:21 < Wombert> you have to ask
00:21 < Wombert> because you can't look it up anywhere
00:21 < splatch`> "you require from different, require also from yourself"
00:21 < splatch`> that's my point
00:32 < Wombert> yes and that would be true
00:32 < Wombert> if the circumstances were the same
00:32 < Wombert> I don't think there is any way you could have figured this all out by yourself
00:32 < Wombert> by looking at the FPF code etc
00:32 < Wombert> it's sooo complicated it even confuses ME!
00:32 < Wombert> and I wrote it
00:33 < splatch`> Wombert: i added own, litte support for error appending :)
00:33 < Wombert> good! :
00:33 < Wombert> )
00:33 < splatch`> hehe
00:34 < Wombert> I wanted to add something simple first, too
00:34 < Wombert> but I realized that many people will ahve different needs
00:34 < Wombert> and different html the FPF must be able to work with
00:34 < Wombert> so I have to take some time and sit down and implement something flexible
00:34 < Wombert> but if your solution works for you in the meantime, that's good ;)
00:34 < splatch`> framework must be flexible
00:44 < splatch`> i've screenshots :]
00:45 < splatch`> Wombert: do you want see 4h our work and stress? :)
00:57 < splatch`> http://img.dywicki.pl/sklep/1.png
01:00 < Wombert> ha!
01:00 < Wombert> :)
01:05 < splatch`> heh, now only add js binding and i've ajax form :)
01:14 < splatch`> ok, i'm going to sleep
01:14 < splatch`> good night everyone
01:14 < Wombert> good night
01:14 < splatch`> Wombert :*
01:14 < splatch`> ;)
01:15 < Wombert> :))
01:29 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
01:29 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1155 : Changeset [1155]: proper margins in RTL mode
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08:19 < raidman> morning
08:20 < v-dogg> huomenta
08:20 < epaulin> morning
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09:24 < v-dogg> morning Wombert & horros
09:24 < horros> hi
09:25 < v-dogg> Wombert: I have news on fpf & segfaults
09:25 < Wombert> shoot
09:25 < splatch`> helllo
09:26 < v-dogg> I commented out unset($xpath) and unset($doc) and so far it haven't segfault
09:27 < v-dogg> but two times it gave me this shit: http://pastebin.ca/206065
09:27 < splatch`> Wombert: Do you got mail?
09:28 < Wombert> splatch`: yep!
09:28 < v-dogg> Wombert: so it might be preg_replace causing all this
09:28 < Wombert> v-dogg: that soooo looks like a libxml problem
09:28 < splatch`> Wombert: share your link :)
09:28 < Wombert> hm
09:28 < Wombert> splatch`: it's an attachment ;)
09:28 < Wombert> give me some time to wake up and everything
09:28 < Wombert> I'll upload it then or so
09:28 < Wombert> v-dogg: hmmm
09:28 < splatch`> Wombert: use you power, Luke
09:28 < Wombert> :D
09:29 < Wombert> v-dogg: and that occurs randomly?
09:29 < Wombert> any chance you can compile php with debug flags on so we can look at a backtrace?
09:31 < v-dogg> Wombert: yes, it happens randomly and output is also random. first time the first 10 lines or so were normal but then started that <style...<[CDATA... mess
09:32 < Wombert> v-dogg: I saw that,too
09:32 < Wombert> back then
09:32 < v-dogg> ok
09:32 < Wombert> well not the same
09:32 < Wombert> but also preg errors
09:32 < v-dogg> I'll start compiling... *sigh*
09:32 < Wombert> I believe libxml causes memory corruption and that messes up everything
09:32 < Wombert> not only pcre
09:32 < Wombert> :S
09:32 < Wombert> v-dogg: try compilingin the latest libxml2 first
09:33 < Wombert> they fixed a lot of leaks etc especially in xpath
09:33 < v-dogg> ok
09:34 -!- Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: www.agavi.org :: DO NOT use 0.10.2 anymore:: http://svn.agavi.org/ :: Have a question? Just ask it, and wait patiently, because patience is the key to happiness :: We're looking for documentation contributors and developers :: http://trac.agavi.org/milestone/0.11 (90+% already) :: irc logs http://users.tkk.fi/~tjorri/agavi/logs/
09:35 < Wombert> :)
09:36 < v-dogg> I have 3 huuuge and 2 smaller customers waiting for their test accounts...
09:36 < v-dogg> I promised that they could start testing some day this week
09:37 < horros> v-dogg: luckily I stopped updating agavi at some point when I decided it's stable and feature rich enough for our app :)
09:38 < v-dogg> I don't think that's the problem
09:40 < Wombert> yes that's not the problem
09:41 < Wombert> it's some kind of problem with PHP or a library
09:41 < splatch`> Wombert: ...link? :)
09:41 < Wombert> not yet
09:42 < Wombert> give me some time :)
09:42 < Wombert> I just made myself a tea
09:42 < Wombert> reading the news right now
09:42 < Wombert> then I'll have a shower
09:42 < Wombert> then upload :)
09:42 < Wombert> 30 minutes
09:47 < splatch`> today i had 5 minutes to up and go to work
09:48 < splatch`> ;)
10:14 < v-dogg> how does php use libxml? is it compiled in or just used as some runtime lib?
10:15 < v-dogg> ie. do I have to re-compile php after upgrading libxml?
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10:24 < Wombert> not sure
10:24 < Wombert> phpinfo() should tell you
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10:25 < eremit_> heyja
10:32 < epaulin> v-dogg: libxml2 default compiled as shared lib
10:33 < epaulin> if API didn't change, i thnk there is no need to recompile
10:33 < epaulin> think
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10:39 < v-dogg> hmm...
10:39 < v-dogg> should I remove php (installed via apt) before recompiling & installing?
10:40 < eremit_> yap
10:40 < eremit_> otherwise php will break if the apt repos changes
10:41 < digitarald|> morning fellows
10:41 < digitarald|> ah ... my ghostnick is creeping around
10:41 < v-dogg> eremit_: apt-get remove (package) ?
10:42 < v-dogg> or --purge remove ?
10:42 < eremit_> i would suggest the second
10:43 < eremit_> but purge only removes config files, which should be overwritten by your custom installation anyways
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10:44 < v-dogg> how do I see what is installed on the system?
10:44 < v-dogg> via apt, that is
10:45 < epaulin> dpkg -l | grep pkgName
10:45 < epaulin> or apt-cache show pkgName
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11:11 < Wombert> problem fixed, v-dogg ?
11:12 < v-dogg> a few more tests...
11:14 < v-dogg> looks good
11:15 < Wombert> yay!
11:15 < v-dogg> libxml Version 2.6.26 and no problems so far
11:16 < v-dogg> very very cool
11:17 < v-dogg> lunch time
11:18 < Wombert> enjoy thy meal
11:19 < v-dogg> I will
11:19 < v-dogg> when I first decide where and what to eat
11:26 < digitarald|> all the day the same questions ;)
11:26 < digitarald|> italian food :)
11:26 < v-dogg> I was thinking about pizza
11:26 < v-dogg> + extra garlic
11:26 < v-dogg> :p~
11:27 < digitarald|> i was thinking about gazpacho ... with extra garlic ;)
11:28 < digitarald|> garlic is helping me to work more efficient ... less people come to me, aksing dump questions ;)
11:29 < Wombert> v-dogg: you better call the missus then and tell her to eat the same ^_°
11:30 < splatch`> Wombert: link? :)
11:30 < Wombert> ah
11:30 < Wombert> right
11:30 < Wombert> I'll do that in a minute
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11:45 < splatch`> Wombert: link :)
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12:13 < Wombert> splatch`: I forwarded it to you
12:14 < Wombert> he didn't change much
12:14 < splatch`> ok
12:16 < v-dogg> oh fuck...
12:18 < v-dogg> just had my double garlic pizza and now one of our business partner called that he'll be here in 10 minutes :)
12:20 < splatch`> v-dogg: you will eat with client :)
12:20 < Wombert> haha
12:20 < Wombert> :>
12:21 < Wombert> yeah suggest you guys go and eat one of these delicious garlic pizzas
12:21 < Wombert> xD
12:36 < splatch`> Wombert: https://www.server4you.de/de/d/showplan.php?products=0
12:36 < splatch`> what do you thing about this offer?
12:37 < Wombert> hmm
12:37 < Wombert> relatively expensive I think
12:37 < Wombert> the problem is
12:37 < Wombert> server4u is not good
12:37 < Wombert> they don't use racks etc
12:37 < Wombert> they buy cheat metal shelves
12:37 < Wombert> and put normal desktop minitowers in that
12:38 < Wombert> that's the servers you get there
12:39 < splatch`> Wombert: another offer in germany?
12:40 < Wombert> http://www.strato.de/server/highend/index.html
12:42 < Wombert> we have servers by strato, they are good
12:42 < splatch`> Wombert: Do you have account on strato?
12:43 < Wombert> they have many features you have to pay for with other companies
12:43 < Wombert> for example the FTP backup space
12:46 < splatch`> hm.. currently i've servet in ovh.. but he's expensive
12:47 < splatch`> *server
12:47 < splatch`> and i'm going to go out :)
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14:32 < v-dogg> do I need XSL support for something?
14:34 < EleRas> on 1.2: no
14:34 < EleRas> oh
14:34 < EleRas> sry
14:34 < EleRas> wrong chan
14:34 < EleRas> *g*
14:35 < eremit> rofl ^^
14:35 < EleRas> forget what I said
14:35 < v-dogg> 1.2 what?-)
14:35 < eremit> nothing .. EleRas accidently missed this is #agavi and not #syscp :PP
14:36 < EleRas> exactly
14:36 < EleRas> *g*
15:01 < v-dogg> uh.. wtf..
15:02 < v-dogg> php gzips output but apparently some headers are missing
15:02 < v-dogg> because firefox shows the gzip'd output :)
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18:33 < v-dogg> evening folks
18:34 < ttj> Evening.
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18:36 * v-dogg slaps AgaviBot around a bit with a huge pink dildo
18:40 < Wombert> HEYYY MAAAN DONTYA SLAP MY BOT MAAAN ARE YA CRAZY OR WHAAT MAAAAN
18:40 < v-dogg> wombie zombie
18:40 < v-dogg> I was just going to need ya
18:41 < v-dogg> like
18:41 < v-dogg> now
18:42 < v-dogg> Wombert: me wants to restrict modules based on user settings
18:42 < v-dogg> what do me have to do
18:42 < v-dogg> does
18:47 < v-dogg> overriding <handler pattern="%core.module_dir%/*/config/module.xml" should be enough, right?
19:00 < Wombert> v-dogg: re
19:00 < Wombert> uuuh?
19:00 < Wombert> oO
19:10 < v-dogg> hmm.. $context is null in cache/config/...modules_MyModule...
19:10 < v-dogg> when is that included?
19:11 < v-dogg> hphm... stupid me
19:19 < v-dogg> hmm..
19:23 < v-dogg> heh.. it works :)
19:23 < v-dogg> man this framework rocks :)
19:29 < Wombert> lol
19:29 < Wombert> :)
19:29 < Wombert> what did you do
19:29 < Wombert> btw we got a KILLER idea for 1.0
19:30 < v-dogg> shoot
19:31 < Wombert> we use strem wrappers
19:31 < Wombert> for all file accesses
19:31 < Wombert> that means
19:31 < Wombert> your config files can be in a daabase
19:31 < Wombert> and
19:31 < Wombert> your configs can be compiled so shm/memcached
19:31 < Wombert> same for content cache etc
19:31 < Wombert> that will be uber fast
19:31 < Wombert> we hope
19:31 < Wombert> :)
19:32 < v-dogg> sounds cool
19:32 < Wombert> stream wrappers
19:32 < Wombert> of course
19:32 < Wombert> streams are SUCH a good php feature
19:32 < Wombert> the problem is to find use cases for them ;)
19:32 < v-dogg> now, wanna see how I did these dynamic module restrictions?-)
19:33 < v-dogg> $enabled_code = 'AgaviConfig::set(\''.$prefix.'enabled\', AgaviContext::getInstance($context)->getUser()->hasCredential(\''.$name.'\'));';
19:33 < Wombert> yes
19:33 < Wombert> please
19:34 < Wombert> oO
19:34 < Wombert> so you restrict access to the entire module based on whether or not the user has the credentials specified in module.xml?
19:35 < Wombert> that rocks man
19:35 < Wombert> haha :>
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20:01 < splatch`> Wombert: rights in module.xml?
20:01 < splatch`> hello everyone! :)
20:02 < v-dogg> splatch`: yes, in a way
20:02 < v-dogg> with my custom moduleconfighandler I can set module.enable dynamically based on user credentials
20:03 < splatch`> module will be disabled if credentials will to small?
20:03 < v-dogg> yep
20:03 < splatch`> Is that good idea?
20:04 < v-dogg> well in my case not all users are allowed to do everything and this way I can disable whole modules easily
20:04 < splatch`> Didin'y module config should be read only?
20:05 < splatch`> *didn't
20:05 < Wombert> another reason why this entire module/action structure has to be re-done in 2.0
20:05 < splatch`> that work can do front controller
20:05 < v-dogg> didn't get that, what you mean splatch`?
20:06 < Wombert> he said you could do that in the front controller
20:06 < Wombert> BUT
20:06 < Wombert> basically, that's what he's doing
20:06 < Wombert> because
20:06 < Wombert> module.xml is just code when compiled
20:06 < Wombert> it's a very clever solution actually
20:06 < shoan> need help
20:07 < shoan> how do I update from the repo now?
20:07 < Wombert> y0 shoan
20:07 < Wombert> switch it first
20:07 < shoan> how?
20:07 < Wombert> svn switch --relocate svn://svn.agavi.org/agavi/ http://svn.agavi.org/
20:07 < Wombert> in the root checkout
20:07 < Wombert> then svn up :
20:07 < Wombert> )
20:09 < shoan> hmm
20:09 < shoan> didn't work
20:09 < shoan> i got this error
20:10 < v-dogg> shoan: can't you just re-checkout?
20:10 < Wombert> switching is easier and faster
20:10 < Wombert> :)
20:10 < v-dogg> yeah, we can all see that :)
20:10 < shoan> :)
20:10 < Wombert> :(
20:11 < shoan> i want to try and switch
20:11 < Wombert> maybe
20:11 < Wombert> svn switch --relocate svn://svn.agavi.org/agavi/trunk http://svn.agavi.org/trunk
20:12 < Wombert> localhost:~/Sites/_projects/agavi/trunk dzuelke$ svn info
20:12 < Wombert> Path: .
20:12 < Wombert> URL: http://svn.agavi.bitxtender.net/trunk
20:12 < Wombert> localhost:~/Sites/_projects/agavi/trunk dzuelke$ svn switch --relocate http://svn.agavi.bitxtender.net/trunk http://svn.agavi.org/trunk
20:12 < Wombert> localhost:~/Sites/_projects/agavi/trunk dzuelke$ svn up
20:12 < Wombert> At revision 1156.
20:13 < Wombert> :S
20:13 < Wombert> doesn't work for you, shoan ?
20:14 < shoan> shoan@papad ~/public_html/sandbox/agavi $ svn switch --relocate http://svn.agavi.bitxtender.net/trunk http://svn.agavi.org/trunk
20:14 < shoan> svn: Relocate can only change the repository part of an URL
20:15 < Wombert> then don't use /trunk :)
20:15 < Wombert> hm but weird it worked for me
20:15 < Wombert> hm
20:15 < Wombert> what does svn info say
20:15 < Wombert> for the current
20:15 < Wombert> URL?
20:15 < shoan> URL: http://svn.agavi.org/agavi/trunk
20:15 < shoan> Repository Root: http://svn.agavi.org
20:16 < Wombert> ewww
20:16 < Wombert> wtf?
20:16 < shoan> shoan@papad ~/public_html/sandbox/agavi $ svn up
20:16 < shoan> svn: REPORT request failed on '/!svn/vcc/default'
20:16 < shoan> svn: Cannot replace a directory from within
20:16 < Wombert> oO
20:16 < Wombert> what svn version is that
20:16 < shoan> 1.3.2
20:17 < Wombert> okay
20:17 < Wombert> now
20:17 < Wombert> inside agavi/ is there a trunk/ ?
20:17 < shoan> no
20:17 < Wombert> k
20:17 < Wombert> err but
20:17 < Wombert> oO
20:17 < Wombert> okay
20:17 < Wombert> try
20:18 < Wombert> svn switch --relocate http://svn.agavi.org/agavi http://svn.agavi.org
20:18 < Wombert> svn info should then give the correct URL
20:18 < shoan> ~/public_html/sandbox/agavi $ svn switch --relocate http://svn.agavi.org/agavi http://svn.agavi.org
20:18 < shoan> svn: Relocate can only change the repository part of an URL
20:18 < Wombert> yeah but it seems it still did it!
20:18 < Wombert> svn info now?
20:19 < shoan> URL: http://svn.agavi.org/agavi/trunk
20:19 < Wombert> svn switch --relocate http://svn.agavi.org/agavi/trunk http://svn.agavi.org/trunk
20:19 < shoan> ~/public_html/sandbox/agavi $ svn up
20:19 < shoan> svn: REPORT request failed on '/!svn/vcc/default'
20:19 < shoan> svn: Cannot replace a directory from within
20:19 < Wombert> as a last resort
20:20 < shoan> same error
20:20 < shoan> i will co again
20:20 < Wombert> sorry :(
20:20 < splatch`> cleanup?
20:23 < Wombert> that might help yeah
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20:26 < shoan> sorry got dc
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20:28 < splatch`> Wombert: i set "force_output_mode" parameter and FPF works fine with my ajax toolkit :)
20:28 < Wombert> <:
20:29 < Wombert> so you're delivering forms as document fragments there? and want them populated?
20:29 < Wombert> hmm
20:29 < Wombert> interesting
20:29 < splatch`> output_types+force_output_mode
20:29 < Wombert> yeah the FPF would usually complain about that because the document is not valid html
20:29 < Wombert> OR it would insert html stuff or so
20:30 < shoan> damn battery
20:30 < shoan> :(
20:30 < splatch`> output type doesn't works or i doing something wrong
20:30 < Wombert> awwww
20:30 < Wombert> shit
20:30 < Wombert> I still gotta calibrate mine!
20:30 < Wombert> damn
20:30 < Wombert> and I need to be mobile all day tomorrow
20:30 < Wombert> argh
20:30 < Wombert> splatch`: hmm?
20:30 < shoan> conference?
20:30 < Wombert> university ;)
20:31 < splatch`> Wombert: i set output_types=xhtml
20:31 < Wombert> splatch`: okay
20:31 < splatch`> and i'm trying to get /Photos/Index/json
20:31 < splatch`> the end /json sets output type to json
20:32 < splatch`> json output type don't using slots
20:32 < splatch`> he's returns only body
20:32 < splatch`> of content slot
20:33 < splatch`> but, if i try to get /json i got xml prolog
20:33 < splatch`> thats prolog added FPF
20:34 < splatch`> question - why for that output type?
20:36 < splatch`> can i use FPF for input type="file" ?
20:36 < splatch`> minds, got a error message
20:36 < splatch`> and red label
20:42 < digitarald|> you can enable fpf for specific output types, or not?
20:42 < digitarald|> json sends only the body of the content? not a json string?
20:42 < splatch`> only html body
20:43 < splatch`> for json data i can create other output type
20:43 < Wombert> that's not really json ;)
20:43 < Wombert> yeah
20:43 < splatch`> but now i don't need this
20:44 < splatch`> now
20:44 < Wombert> you can set the output type to ignore slots btw
20:44 < digitarald|> globalfilters, parameter for fpf:
20:44 < digitarald|> <parameter name="output_types">
20:44 < digitarald|> <parameters>
20:44 < digitarald|> <parameter>html</parameter>
20:44 < digitarald|> <parameter>xhtml</parameter>
20:44 < digitarald|> <parameter>xml</parameter>
20:44 < digitarald|> <parameter>ajax</parameter>
20:44 < digitarald|> </parameters
20:44 < Wombert> the FPF currently cannot handle fragments of documents
20:45 < splatch`> Wombert: that's not problem, really
20:45 < digitarald|> i have written an 10 line renderer for output the given attributes as json data
20:45 < splatch`> digitarald|: can you show it? :)
20:45 < digitarald|> splatch, just disable the fpf for json output type
20:45 < Wombert> errrrr
20:45 < Wombert> stop
20:45 < Wombert> json should be set in the response directly as content
20:45 < Wombert> look at the sample app
20:45 < Wombert> SearchEngineSpamSuccessView
20:45 < splatch`> digitarald|: i do that
20:46 < Wombert> executeXmlrpc()
20:46 < digitarald|> removed the comments, dont wanted to pastebin ;)
20:46 < digitarald|> class JsonRenderer extends AgaviRenderer
20:46 < digitarald|> {
20:46 < digitarald|> public function getEngine()
20:46 < digitarald|> {
20:46 < digitarald|> }
20:46 < digitarald|> public function render()
20:46 < digitarald|> {
20:46 < digitarald|> $json = new Json(Json::JSON_IN_OBJ);
20:46 < Wombert> the problem is that you then need a dedicated response instance which means you need a new renderer which means... uncool
20:46 < digitarald|> $this->response->setContent($json->encode($this->view->getAttributes() ) );
20:46 < Wombert> ah
20:46 < Wombert> RENDERER
20:46 < digitarald|> }
20:46 < Wombert> sorry
20:46 < Wombert> xD
20:46 < digitarald|> public function preRenderCheck()
20:47 < digitarald|> {
20:47 < Wombert> okay my bad
20:47 < digitarald|> $this->view->setTemplate('');
20:47 < digitarald|> }
20:47 < digitarald|> }
20:47 < Wombert> you could do that directly in the view tho, too
20:47 < digitarald|> its using the json class from json.org ... updated to php5 ... from prado i think
20:47 < Wombert> a matter of taste :)
20:49 < digitarald|> oh, no ... its the pear class, converted to php5 from prado
20:49 < shoan> did a checkout
20:50 < digitarald|> http://trac.pradosoft.com/browser/trunk/framework/Web/Javascripts/TJSON.php
20:50 < digitarald|> why a checkout? ;)
20:51 < shoan> digitarald: read the logs :p
20:52 < digitarald|> logs are for people with time
20:53 < digitarald|> people who are not sitting 12 hours at their workdesk ... actually it are 12 hours ... ... 12:01 now
20:53 < digitarald|> ... *dreamingfromhome*
20:55 < digitarald|> splatch ... is that json stuff useful for purpose?
20:57 < splatch`> digitarald|: now itsn't, but maybe in future i'll use
20:58 < splatch`> i've 4 days delay in project
21:01 < splatch`> Wombert: hm.. severity attribute don't work as i need
21:01 < Wombert> because it still marks the fields red, right?
21:01 < Wombert> we have to fix that
21:02 < splatch`> with that option my form getting .exe files
21:02 < splatch`> but in validation i set only graphic formats
21:02 < splatch`> (png,gif,jpg,jpeg)
21:02 < Wombert> uuuuh
21:02 < Wombert> what severity did you set
21:02 < splatch`> none
21:02 < Wombert> yeah that means no error checking is performed
21:03 < splatch`> can i set another value
21:04 < splatch`> my parameter is optional
21:05 < Wombert> let me check
21:05 < splatch`> Wombert: show you my validation xml? :)
21:05 < Wombert> yeah why not
21:05 < Wombert> I'm asking dominik right now
21:06 < splatch`> http://phpfi.com/164761
21:06 < splatch`> heh i've required :]
21:07 < splatch`> btw are required attribute it's allowed in schema for validators?
21:09 < Wombert> yes the schema is not very good
21:09 < Wombert> required="false" is not possible
21:09 < Wombert> BUT
21:09 < Wombert> dominik is on the phone right now
21:10 < Wombert> and he says he'll add it now
21:10 < splatch`> now minds today? :]
21:11 < kaos> yes ;)
21:11 < kaos> <-- dominik ^^
21:11 < splatch`> wow, thats really community-driven development process!
21:12 < splatch`> Wombert: i added one attribute to FPF
21:12 < Wombert> which
21:12 < splatch`> include_file_inputs, add error message for file inputs
21:12 < Wombert> ah!
21:12 < Wombert> good catch
21:12 < Wombert> I'll fix that
21:12 < Wombert> thanks
21:12 < splatch`> :)
21:13 < Wombert> they are only skipped because you cannot populate them
21:13 < Wombert> but you're right, errors must be shown!
21:13 < splatch`> Wombert: i thought about error lists
21:14 < splatch`> error messages will not shown before/after field
21:14 < splatch`> but in one place
21:14 < Wombert> yeah that's easy!
21:14 < Wombert> the sample app does that
21:14 < Wombert> look at master.php
21:14 < Wombert> <?php if($req->hasErrors()): foreach($req->getErrorMessages() as $error): ?>
21:14 < Wombert> <p class="error"><?php echo $error['message']; ?></p>
21:14 < Wombert> <?php endforeach; endif; ?>
21:14 < splatch`> but they've in master template :)
21:14 < Wombert> before the content
21:15 < splatch`> Wombert: if you've two forms at one page you'll got list before first if you've errors in second
21:15 < Wombert> splatch`: that's true
21:16 < splatch`> FPF can use <form> tag
21:16 < splatch`> to insert error list
21:16 < splatch`> or custom xpath expression in form context
21:17 < splatch`> to put for example in fieldset
21:17 < splatch`> or make fieldset red
21:17 < splatch`> but that's many configuration directives
21:17 < Wombert> exactly :)
21:17 < Wombert> that's why this is scheduled for 1.0
21:18 < splatch`> or use two filters
21:18 < splatch`> baset an one
21:18 < splatch`> *based
21:18 < splatch`> *at
21:18 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/303
21:18 < splatch`> to populate and show error messages
21:18 < Wombert> we talked about that yesterday, you remember? :)
21:18 < splatch`> i don't want remember yesterday ;)
21:20 < splatch`> Wombert: what do you think about abstract filter and two strategies?
21:27 < splatch`> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U
21:27 < splatch`> omg!
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21:46 < splatch`> kaos: can you commit you validato fix today? :)
21:47 < Wombert> splatch`: he will
21:47 < Wombert> he also changes the syntax for arguments
21:47 < Wombert> it takes some time
21:47 < Wombert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE7aLqYf94s
21:48 < Wombert> http://www.2spare.com/item_50221.aspx
21:49 < splatch`> Wombert: hahaha
21:50 < splatch`> funny video
21:51 < splatch`> i've that everyday :]
22:24 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
22:24 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1157 : Changeset [1157]: include file inputs in the list of elements to work on so they get error …
22:53 < Wombert> ttj: http://crunchgear.com/2006/10/17/lenovo-and-apple-most-reliable-laptops-report-says/
22:53 < Wombert> :)
22:53 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
22:53 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1158 : Changeset [1158]: hasValue certainly doesn't need a default value :)
22:53 < ttj> Wombert: :-)
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22:55 < Wombert> impl: http://crunchgear.com/2006/10/17/lenovo-and-apple-most-reliable-laptops-report-says/
22:55 < Wombert> :)
22:55 < impl> Lenovo and Apple go boom
22:55 < splatch`> propaganda! :)
22:55 < impl> I can accept Apple, but I don't like Lenovo
22:56 < impl> I just don't think they're as good as IBM
22:56 < impl> Of course my dad works for IBM, so I have a little bias :P
22:56 < ttj> Ok, impl's opinion officially doesn't count any more. :P
22:56 < Wombert> and I thought you don't like em because these bloody chinks bought good ol' american technology
22:56 < Wombert> HAH
22:56 < Wombert> I SAID IT
22:56 < Wombert> :>
22:56 < Wombert> errr
22:56 < Wombert> I KNEW IT
22:56 < impl> That's a bad word!
22:56 < impl> :P
22:56 < Wombert> errr
22:56 < Wombert> WHATEVER!
22:56 < Wombert> :>
22:56 * Wombert hugs impl
22:58 < splatch`> I waitin' for cash to buy new notebook :)
23:01 < splatch`> Wombert: config handlers schema is wrong
23:01 < splatch`> XSD Validation of configuration file "config_handlers.xml" failed, errors reported by DOM:
23:01 < splatch`> Element 'handler': The attribute 'class' is required but missing.
23:01 < splatch`> Element 'handler': Character content is not allowed, because the content type is empty.
23:01 < Wombert> I'd rather say your config is wrong :p
23:02 < splatch`> that's config from trunk ;)
23:03 < Wombert> uh
23:03 < Wombert> works for me!?
23:03 < splatch`> can't works
23:03 < splatch`> in example config_handlers
23:04 < Wombert> ah
23:04 < Wombert> I see
23:04 < Wombert> yeah
23:05 < splatch`> i've <handler pattern="%core.config_dir%/Sheep.xml" class="AgaviReturnArrayConfigHandler" />
23:05 < splatch`> but i've got error
23:07 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
23:07 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1159 : Changeset [1159]: BREAKING CHANGE: goodybe output type fallbacks, refs #141. if you need em, …
23:10 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
23:10 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1160 : Changeset [1160]: fixed sample config_handlers.xml
23:11 < splatch`> handlers without parameters?
23:13 < Wombert> you can give it parameters of course
23:14 < splatch`> how? :)
23:16 < Wombert> ...
23:16 < Wombert> <handler ...>
23:16 < Wombert> <parameters>
23:16 < Wombert> <parameter name="...">...</parameter>
23:17 < splatch`> the current schema don't allow this :)
23:18 < kaos> thats true indeed O_o
23:20 < splatch`> :)
23:24 < splatch`> Fatal error: Argument 1 passed to AgaviConfigHandler::orderConfigurations() must not be null, called in AgaviReturnArrayConfigHandler.class.php on line 40 and defined in AgaviConfigHandler.class.php on line 238
23:24 < Wombert> mmmh
23:24 * Wombert looks at kaos
23:25 * Wombert decides it must be his fault
23:25 < Wombert> xD
23:27 < splatch`> hm, i don't know whose fault it's, but i need this, and this doesn't work :(
23:27 < splatch`> or..
23:27 < splatch`> hm
23:28 < splatch`> i can use modpub!
23:28 * kaos throws a large pillow at AgaviBot
23:28 < kaos> you'r slow mate ;p
23:29 < impl> FASTAR
23:29 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
23:29 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1161 : Changeset [1161]: allow parameters in handlers definition
23:29 < kaos> aaah
23:29 < kaos> ;
23:29 < kaos> )
23:29 < impl> Clearly it only listens to me
23:30 < impl> :<
23:31 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
23:31 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1162 : Changeset [1162]: getParts for the virtual array path
23:44 < impl> Is CIA dead?
23:48 < ttj> Long live the FBI!
23:48 < impl> D:
23:49 < Wombert> cia is looking at the wrong repos
23:49 < Wombert> gotta wait for bob to send me the key so I can tell it the new URL
23:49 < Wombert> we have moved servers :)
23:49 < impl> ahh right
23:57 < splatch`> Wombert: can you change "login" to "logowanie" in messages_pl.po?
23:58 < impl> What a cool word...
23:58 < impl> ;x
23:58 < splatch`> och
23:58 < Wombert> splatch`: line 35?
23:58 < splatch`> Wombert: i'll send better version
--- Day changed Wed Oct 18 2006
00:00 < splatch`> hm
00:00 < splatch`> Thank you for logging out! - can be "good bye sweet user?" ;)
00:00 < splatch`> idon't know how translate Thank you for logging out!
00:01 < Wombert> mmh maybe not "sweet user"
00:01 < splatch`> in polish we don't use that constructions
00:01 < Wombert> "Thank you for using this website and goodbye"
00:01 < Wombert> something like that
00:01 < splatch`> good bye dear user?
00:04 < Wombert> something like that
00:11 < splatch`> Wombert: check mail, please
00:16 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
00:16 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1163 : Changeset [1163]: improved polish translation, thx lukasz
00:21 < splatch`> "We sorry all polish people for this translation"
00:21 < splatch`> tak bedzie lepiej :)
00:21 < splatch`> ops
00:21 < splatch`> that message will better
00:28 < splatch`> anyone drunk everyday energy drinks like red bull?
00:28 < Wombert> mmh
00:28 < Wombert> I sometimes drink red bull
00:28 < Wombert> but not very often
00:29 < splatch`> my friend drunk 2 in work
00:29 < splatch`> and 2 at night
00:29 < splatch`> they're can sleep 3,4 h
00:30 < splatch`> and go work
00:31 < Wombert> that's not healthy
00:31 < Wombert> a better idea is to pay close attention to sleep cycles
00:31 < Wombert> they are 90 minutes long
00:31 < Wombert> go to bed at about 23:30
00:31 < Wombert> so you sleep in at 00:00
00:31 < Wombert> set the alarm to 06:00
00:31 < Wombert> and you're absolutely in shape
00:32 < Wombert> sleep until 7am... no way you get out of bed
00:32 < Wombert> 3 hrs sleep, 4,5 hrs sleep, 6hrs sleep, 7,5 hrs sleep
00:32 < Wombert> that's good
00:32 < Wombert> not longer! bad for the body
00:32 < Wombert> and
00:32 < Wombert> go to bed before 01:00
00:32 < Wombert> I'll do that now :)
00:32 < Wombert> see you tomorrow
00:33 < splatch`> wait! :)
00:33 < Wombert> okay
00:33 < splatch`> goo slep at 23PM and wake up at 01?
00:33 < splatch`> 1AM
00:33 < Wombert> no
00:34 < Wombert> go to bed ad 23:30, for example
00:34 < Wombert> so you are asleep at 00:00 okay?
00:34 < splatch`> yes
00:34 < Wombert> and set the alarm to 6 or 7,5 (not 6,5 or 7 or 8!) hours after 00:00
00:34 < Wombert> for example 6am
00:34 < Wombert> you'll wake up very easy
00:34 < Wombert> because you're not in deep sleep
00:35 < Wombert> every 90 minutes your brain is in REM phase
00:35 < Wombert> that's where you dream
00:35 < Wombert> and that#s where you easily wake up
00:35 < Wombert> it's all about the timing
00:35 < splatch`> ach, is see
00:35 < Wombert> and it works best if you go to bed at around midnight
00:35 < Wombert> 1am... difficult
00:35 < Wombert> 2am...doesn't work anymore
00:36 < splatch`> Wombert: i'll check it tomorrow :)
00:36 < Wombert> okay :)
00:37 < Wombert> good night folks
00:37 < splatch`> bye
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01:18 < kaos> splatch`: i've added the required attribute to the <validator> tag
01:18 < splatch`> cool :)
01:18 < kaos> http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/1164
01:18 < splatch`> i've next idea
01:18 < kaos> but note, i've changed the syntax for errors and arguments
01:18 < splatch`> the return array config handler it's broken
01:18 < kaos> (what was the "param" attribute/parameter earlier
01:18 < kaos> whats wrong there ?
01:19 < splatch`> line 40
01:19 < splatch`> ->configuration ?
01:19 < splatch`> thats null
01:19 < splatch`> and that's problem
01:20 < kaos> show me the config you want to include with it
01:20 < kaos> that needs to have the <configurations><configuration> block too iirc
01:20 < splatch`> i've that block
01:21 < splatch`> but there is still null
01:21 < splatch`> the configuration are root element
01:21 < kaos> you need to wrap that into <configurations>
01:22 < splatch`> <configuration>
01:22 < splatch`> <setting name="image_width">200</setting>
01:22 < splatch`> <setting name="image_height">250</setting>
01:22 < splatch`> </configuration>
01:22 < kaos> yeah, you need to do
01:22 < kaos> <configurations>
01:22 < splatch`> ["image_width"]=> string(3) "200" ["image_height"]=> string(3) "250"
01:22 < kaos> <configuration>
01:22 < kaos> <setting ...
01:23 < splatch`> och
01:23 < kaos> thats so you can use the returnArrayConfigHandler to define different values for different contexts
01:23 < kaos> or environments
01:24 < splatch`> i don't need thah feature, i must store some configuration constants :)
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01:25 < kaos> well, its just 2 more lines ;)
01:28 < splatch`> kasthank you very much - works :)
01:30 < splatch`> kaos: thank you :)
01:30 < kaos> np :)
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08:48 < v-dogg_> huomenta
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09:05 < raidman> morn'
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09:58 < splatch`> hello
09:58 < v-dogg_> morning
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10:24 < raidman> v-dogg, lol
10:24 < raidman> v-dogg, I just looking in #symfony and stolen codes issues :P
10:31 < raidman> ;)
10:40 < eremit> v-dogg, they will ignore your concerns ... or at least they don't care about it ...
10:40 < eremit> i guess until you get a lawyer of your choice ^^ :P
10:40 < raidman> lol
10:41 < v-dogg> hehe :)
10:42 < v-dogg> fabien apparently is never in #symfony anymore
10:42 < eremit> try to contact gpl-violations.org .. maybe they are handling lgpl cases too :P
10:42 < eremit> i guess he knows why :P
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11:42 < digitarald> Mrning fellows
11:43 < raidman> digitarald, morn
11:43 < raidman> ah, life is easy with beagle :)
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13:43 < Wombert> y0y0y0?
13:43 < Wombert> :)
13:44 < v-dogg> hey wombie man
13:45 < Wombert> hi there
13:45 < Wombert> darn wifi totally overloaded
13:45 < Wombert> and VPN is down all the time too
13:46 < v-dogg> hey, what happened to us getting ops in this channel?
13:47 < eremit> hi Wombert
13:47 < eremit> v-dogg ?
13:55 < v-dogg> we need someone to have an operator status here
13:56 < v-dogg> but the channel is registered by bob
13:56 < eremit> ah ...
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14:15 < digitarald> is everything registered on bob? ;)
14:17 < v-dogg> pretty much
14:18 < v-dogg> heh, #symfony is getting annoyed with me bashing Symfony
14:18 < v-dogg> maybe I should shut up
14:22 < eremit> lol, maybe we should merge the two channels :P nearly everybody here showed up there ^^ *hrhr*
14:30 < digitarald> :D
14:30 < digitarald> no, they are using ajax actions ... dont want to stay there ;)
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14:59 < pookey> v-dogg: presumably this routing XML file is parsed and cached somewhere ?
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15:01 < pookey> infact, it seems XML is used for all of the configs, so I assume you're caching the parsed configs
15:01 < v-dogg> yes
15:01 < pookey> can routing be made aware of the hostname?
15:02 < v-dogg> yes, you can use all $_SERVER -variables
15:03 < pookey> the routing page doens't show any examples of that - symfony can't do that currently
15:04 < pookey> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/291 that's a wonderfully pointless ticket :)
15:05 < pookey> Rename "Controller" to "Dispatcher" and "Action" to "Controller" <=- that's bugged me for a while in other things
15:05 < v-dogg> heh
15:06 < pookey> v-dogg: what's better about agavi's routing system over symfonys?
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15:12 < pookey> and waht other areas do you feel agavi improves upon symfony
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15:14 < v-dogg> pookey: I'm a bit busy now. can I get back to you a bit later?
15:14 < pookey> v-dogg: you sure can - I'm not attacking btw, I'm genuinly interested - I might be a symfony dev, but I'm not a bigot :)
15:14 < v-dogg> and wombert is the best guy to tell all the fancy features agavi's routing has
15:15 < pookey> I know you and wombert from elsewhere.. perhaps #php
15:15 < v-dogg> custom callbacks, multiple sources ($_SERVER etc.) very versatile parameter handling and so on
15:17 < pookey> I'm not sure waht you mean by custom callback, the docs mention nothing about it, but I'll quiz wombert later :)
15:20 < v-dogg> are you reading trac's wiki?
15:20 < pookey> yeah
15:21 < v-dogg> that's just a brief introduction
15:21 < pookey> what else is there to read?
15:22 < pookey> planet.avavi.org is a holding page, the API docs area 404... ;)
15:23 < v-dogg> wombert is just moving stuff to a new server
15:23 < v-dogg> svn has some docs in docbook xml
15:24 < v-dogg> like I said, our documentation is close to non-existing at the moment
15:29 < digitarald> pookey: take a look at the routing in the sample app after checkout and u see the improvements. take another look at the validation and the i18n
15:31 < digitarald> just take a look over the sample app in the svn trunk ... documentation is till now one of the underbellies ;)
15:31 < v-dogg> agavi is able to have 1 action - 1 view - N output types
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15:32 < v-dogg> the same action for html, console, ajax and xml-rpc for example
15:32 < v-dogg> MVC - truly :)
15:33 < pookey> I'll check out the sample app then next week
15:36 < v-dogg> pookey: routing callback can have extra processing of routing rules/patterns
15:37 < v-dogg> for example I wrote a simple db admin tool that can handle multiple db's
15:37 < v-dogg> and I have a route /(dbname:\S+) with a custom callback that checks whether that db exists really
15:38 < v-dogg> foo.com/mydb -> ok
15:38 < v-dogg> foo.com/anotherdb -> not ok
15:43 < v-dogg> and of course "not ok" means 404 :)
15:45 < v-dogg> and pretty much everything is "plugable"
16:25 < digitarald> u really used the \S syntax for an expression for a databasename?
16:25 < v-dogg> yes, why?
16:31 < digitarald> just ... foo.com/.:?!:. is not a real database name :)
16:32 < digitarald> isn't \w better ... i choose my routingexpressions so, that i dont have to check the given vars again in the validation
16:32 < digitarald> not against the next expression
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16:42 < digitarald> can't describe it ... need coffee ... its so fuckn sticky ... hope its thunderstorming soon
16:50 < pookey> v-dogg: I'm out of here, I should have more time next week to look at agavi, untill then.. I'm gone:)
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17:04 < shoan> is the mailing list broken? I don't seem to be getting any emails from trac/svn anymore :(
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17:47 < digitarald> its broken, yes
17:47 < digitarald> ;)
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18:11 < kaos> hello folks
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18:33 < digitarald> hi kaos
18:33 < kaos> omg ... i just checked the size of my calendar port so far
18:34 < kaos> 10000 lines (ok, 70% are comments ... but still!)
18:34 < kaos> thats actually 1/3 of the size agavi currently has
18:35 < digitarald> calendar port?
18:35 < kaos> yep
18:35 < kaos> porting the ICU calendar stuff to php
18:35 < digitarald> 10000 lines ... ouch
18:36 < kaos> yeah, but luckily the port itself is quite straightforward
18:36 < kaos> its only a bit tricky with all those function overloads from c++
18:37 < kaos> i'm actually quite much finished already(as long as you only care about the gregorian calendar)
18:37 < kaos> ported the basic calendar tests from icu too
18:37 < kaos> and they actually work :)
18:42 < kaos> 0.10: lines: 19310
18:42 < kaos> head: lines: 28145
18:42 < kaos> my working copy lines:37153
18:49 < digitarald> after refactoring: 2000? ;)
18:50 < kaos> hehe
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18:51 < digitarald> i actually try to refactor all my prototype javascript classes
18:52 < Wombert> re
18:52 * Wombert yawns
18:52 < Wombert> v-dogg: I emailed bob he's working on giving us channel ownership
19:03 < kaos> Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 465,483 <-- so who is gonna pay us now ? :D
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19:08 < splatch`> thello everyone
19:09 < Wombert> hi
19:10 < splatch`> Wombert: I oevrslept today ;)
19:11 < splatch`> at 6AM my alarm clock was arouse me
19:11 < splatch`> i set new alarm at 7AM
19:11 < splatch`> and go sleep
19:11 < splatch`> *went
19:12 < splatch`> 8:50 AM, my PM call me and askin - Do you sleep?
19:18 < splatch`> i don't commit new alarm
19:18 < splatch`> alarm clock was set to 6PM :)
19:18 < Wombert> :D
19:18 < Wombert> :S
19:18 < Wombert> :(
19:18 < Wombert> what's a PM?
19:27 < splatch`> Project Manager
19:30 < splatch`> Wombert: thank you for mail :)
19:30 < Wombert> splatch`: yeah I had written that in the morning but I didn't have internet connectivity all day
19:31 < Wombert> so it was sent a couple of minutes ago when I plugged the laptop back in
19:31 < splatch`> Wombert: no problem i makin' problems afternoon :)
19:32 < splatch`> hm
19:32 < splatch`> that's not correct
19:32 < splatch`> blah, i don't know how say this
19:33 < splatch`> Wombert: can i use binary output with agavi?
19:33 < splatch`> for example i've image stream from imagepng*
19:38 < splatch`> kaos: new validator structure is cool ")
19:38 < splatch`> :)
19:39 < Wombert> of course you can send back binary data
19:39 < Wombert> just set it in the view
19:39 < kaos> :)
19:39 < Wombert> $this->getResponse()->setContent('imagedata');
19:39 < Wombert> of course, you should add a new output type
19:39 < Wombert> and disable stuff like execution time filter for that output type
19:42 < digitarald> all this breaking changes stuff is breaking my deadlines ... and my evenings ...
19:44 < Wombert> does it help if we say we're sorry? xD
19:46 < splatch`> hehe
19:47 < splatch`> "we sorry all Polish people for that translation" - Womber, next time gave this message for messages_po :)
19:48 < splatch`> how to organize validation
19:48 < splatch`> i've two actions
19:49 < splatch`> add, edit
19:49 < splatch`> they're have the same validation rules
19:49 < splatch`> but add action require file
19:53 < Wombert> you could use xinclude!
19:54 < splatch`> hmm and include body to validator element?
19:54 < splatch`> or xinclude + xpointer
19:59 < Wombert> do xpointers work?
19:59 < Wombert> hmm
20:00 < splatch`> i'll check :)
20:07 < kaos> oh man
20:07 < kaos> this localized date pattern stuff
20:08 < kaos> just makes everything even more complicated =)
20:08 < splatch`> Wombert: validator name it's not name1 or name2, how to use XPath to do this?
20:08 < Wombert> errrrrr
20:08 < splatch`> //validator[@name]
20:08 < Wombert> xpath?
20:08 < Wombert> oO
20:08 < Wombert> is that for an xpointer?
20:08 < Wombert> never used it
20:08 < splatch`> yes
20:08 < Wombert> can you show me the entire line?
20:09 < splatch`> Wombert: don't think about XPointer :)
20:09 < splatch`> http://phpfi.com/165100
20:10 < splatch`> include all validators, but skip primary key and water mark file
20:10 < Wombert> I mean the xinclude
20:10 < splatch`> href="source.xml" xpointer="xpointer()"
20:10 < Wombert> and where does the xpath go?
20:10 < Wombert> like xpointer="xpointer(//validator)" ?
20:10 < Wombert> w
20:10 < Wombert> o
20:10 < Wombert> w
20:10 < splatch`> yes
20:11 < Wombert> php supports that?
20:11 < Wombert> maan that is AWESOME
20:11 < Wombert> hahahaha
20:11 < Wombert> :>
20:11 < Wombert> now look at symfony and their RETARDED YAML
20:11 < Wombert> WUHAHAHA
20:11 < Wombert> :>
20:11 < splatch`> :)
20:11 < splatch`> yaml sucks
20:12 < Wombert> let me try to build that xpath
20:12 < splatch`> Wombert: works good
20:12 < splatch`> but help me with XP :)
20:12 < Wombert> yep
20:12 < Wombert> one minute
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20:13 < splatch`> Wombert: i'll try to use @name attribute
20:13 < Wombert> I tried that but that's not enough
20:13 < Wombert> moment
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20:16 < Wombert> I thinkl /validator[not(//arguments="primary_key" || //arguments="water_mark_file")] should work
20:17 < Wombert> wait only one | not two
20:17 < Wombert> yeah
20:17 < Wombert> like this: /validator[not(//arguments="primary_key" or //arguments="water_mark_file")] should work
20:17 < Wombert> better
20:17 < Wombert> does that work?
20:17 < Wombert> :)
20:17 < Wombert> oh wait
20:17 < splatch`> doesn't work :)
20:17 < Wombert> now: /validator[not(//argument="primary_key" or //argument="water_mark_file")] should work
20:18 < splatch`> //validator
20:18 < splatch`> ?
20:18 < Wombert> you can try but / selects from the root
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20:18 < Wombert> oh wait
20:18 < Wombert> hmm
20:18 < Wombert> let me think
20:18 < Wombert> try this: //validator[not(argument="primary_key" or argument="water_mark_file")]
20:20 < splatch`> moment
20:20 < splatch`> i've //validator[not(@name="primary_key" or @name="water_mark_file")])
20:20 < Wombert> that doesn't work
20:20 < splatch`> but argument wi'll btter
20:20 < Wombert> because @name is for the validator node
20:20 < splatch`> Wombert: work :)
20:20 < splatch`> Wombert: my exptession works
20:20 < Wombert> oO
20:20 < Wombert> really?
20:21 < splatch`> but my code it's not works
20:21 < Wombert> aaah
20:21 < splatch`> give me second
20:21 < Wombert> man of course yeah because they have names
20:21 < Wombert> wait
20:21 < Wombert> this is better
20:21 < Wombert> what you do
20:21 < Wombert> @name="bad_id"
20:21 < Wombert> and @name="file_is_bad"
20:22 < splatch`> Wombert: my rule doesn't works
20:23 < Wombert> show me the other file
20:23 < Wombert> where you use the xinclude
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20:24 < splatch`> in <validators>
20:28 < splatch`> Wombert: i'll use names
20:28 < splatch`> and 3 includes
20:29 < splatch`> http://phpfi.com/165104
20:29 < splatch`> works great :)
20:30 < Wombert> hmmm
20:30 < Wombert> but that's not the ideal solution :(
20:31 < splatch`> yes
20:31 < splatch`> it isn't ideal
20:34 < splatch`> i'll start using XML as tempaltes ;)
21:09 < splatch`> gm
21:10 < splatch`> i've problem
21:10 < splatch`> with upload files
21:10 < splatch`> the input value for water_mark_file are graphic format
21:10 < splatch`> i set extension parameter
21:10 < splatch`> and submit form
21:11 < splatch`> in edit form - works fine
21:11 < splatch`> but in add form - i got error
21:11 < splatch`> no messages, no exceptions
21:11 < splatch`> just red label
21:11 < splatch`> like required
21:12 < splatch`> btw can i set error message for requited field? :)
21:21 < splatch`> hm, return array config handler accept parameters?
21:21 < splatch`> i thnk about some list
21:43 < splatch`> hey!, are anyone is here? ;)
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22:02 < splatch`> ignore slots = don't use decorator template?
22:07 < splatch`> For security reasons, Request Parameters cannot be accessed directly. Please use the ParameterHolder object passed to your Action or View execute method to access Request Parameters.
22:08 < Wombert> no
22:08 < Wombert> ignore_decorators skips the decorator template
22:08 < Wombert> ignore_slots only skips slot execution
22:08 < Wombert> yes you can't do that
22:09 < Wombert> use $parameters
22:09 < Wombert> they are validated
22:09 < Wombert> and filtered
22:09 < Wombert> and therefor safe!
22:10 < splatch`> doesn't works or i again doinf wrogn
22:10 < splatch`> *doing
22:11 < splatch`> Wombert: Can i describe my problem?
22:11 < Wombert> sure!
22:12 < splatch`> my route: /(target:\w+)/Menu
22:12 < splatch`> output type = menu, ignore slots and decorators
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22:13 < splatch`> output type renderer it's smarty and they're using .tpl extension
22:13 < splatch`> route works fine
22:13 < splatch`> now, i'm going to use the same action to set slot for default (xhtml) output type
22:14 < splatch`> so, in my view i set slot
22:14 < splatch`> and parameter in holder
22:14 < splatch`> $this->setSlot('admin_menu', 'Menu', 'Index');
22:15 < splatch`> $parameters->setParameter('target', 'Photo');
22:15 < splatch`> that should render menu for photo module
22:15 < splatch`> but don't return good value
22:16 < splatch`> Wombert: you got that? :):
22:16 < splatch`> two output types, one module, one template
22:16 < Wombert> eh
22:16 < Wombert> no
22:16 < Wombert> that doesn't work
22:16 < Wombert> the output type is valid for the request
22:16 < Wombert> why output type menu?
22:17 < splatch`> for ajax :)
22:17 < Wombert> output type should be "html", "json"; "pdf" or so
22:17 < Wombert> don't use it to hack in stuff
22:17 < Wombert> you can pass arguments to slots
22:17 < Wombert> $this->setSlot('slotname', 'Module', 'Action', array('foo' => 'bar');
22:18 < Wombert> $this->setSlot('admin_menu', 'Menu', 'Index'. array('target' => 'Photo');
22:19 < splatch`> yeah!
22:19 < splatch`> Wombert: i must rename that type
22:19 < splatch`> to hm..
22:19 < splatch`> body? :)
22:23 < Wombert> splatch`: no!
22:23 < Wombert> you cannot use multiple output types in the same request
22:23 < Wombert> only one
22:24 < Wombert> and you shouldn't use output types for that
22:24 < splatch`> Wombert: i know
22:24 < splatch`> Wombert: body it's type for ajax request - no slots, no decorators
22:26 < splatch`> that's my previous json output type
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23:40 < splatch`> after().cup().coffe().do().work()
23:48 < ttj> Too.much().java().you().written().have()
23:48 < impl> You.call(Too.many().methods())
23:59 < splatch`> ttj: right ;), to much java, 8h peer day ;)
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01:01 < splatch`> hm
01:02 < splatch`> don't use forward in view?
01:03 < kaos> you shouldn't really use forward at all
01:03 < kaos> but redirect instead
01:09 < impl> What's wrong with using forward?
01:15 < splatch`> i don't want send next code etc,
01:15 < splatch`> forward are good
01:16 < splatch`> they works like redirect but without additional response, right? :)
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01:28 < Wombert> return the forward info from the view
01:30 < splatch`> *_* < that's I am
01:30 < splatch`> bye!
01:31 < Wombert> good night
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06:17 < kaos> yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111 \o/
06:17 < kaos> we have a date *gg*
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07:40 < shoan> kaos: so the calendar is all done?
07:40 < kaos> not all done
07:40 < kaos> but you can actually format dates
07:40 < kaos> calculate (with the gregorian calendar)
07:41 < kaos> timezone stuff should work too (currently porting tests there)
07:41 < shoan> nice :)
07:44 < kaos> yeah, had to spend some nights debugging that stuff
07:45 < kaos> but i'm like uber happy the basic calendar tests work w/o failure
08:08 < kaos> and now to something really funny
08:08 < kaos> the olson time zone database
08:50 < v-dogg> huomenta
08:51 < epaulin> morning
09:06 < splatch`> hello
10:04 < splatch`> [09:02:52] <mp> Saying that Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders
10:04 < splatch`> hahaha
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13:49 < v-dogg> hmm.. any ideas what might case sessions to die? every now and then the user's session just disappears and the login screen is showed
13:49 < v-dogg> I don't know (yet) if the session id also changes
13:55 < eremit> that's one of the problems i had ...
13:55 < eremit> does it only appear on special browser ? do the sessions timeout ?
13:56 < v-dogg> don't know yet
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14:10 < digitarald> i have a question for the sample app routing ... anywhere here?
14:10 < digitarald> somebody ... someone :D
14:10 < Wombert> yes
14:11 < v-dogg> no
14:11 < digitarald> :D
14:11 < digitarald> the locale-routing ...
14:12 < digitarald> ... pattern="^/({locale:[a-z]{2}(_[A-Z]{2})?})" ... but in the ignores list is <ignore>language</ignore>, shouldn't it be locale?
14:13 < Wombert> eww
14:13 < Wombert> yeah
14:14 < digitarald> ok ;)
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14:38 < codecop> mojavi.org completly dead?
14:38 < Wombert> yeah
14:38 < codecop> and mojavi project?
14:38 < Wombert> dead, too
14:39 < codecop> why they dont starting from zero again?
14:40 < Wombert> uh
14:40 < Wombert> well
14:40 < codecop> i am using mojavi 2, universal distr in 4.0 ant 5. PHP
14:40 < Wombert> mojavi 3 was built by one person, but never released
14:40 < Wombert> he "opened up" development by handing the project over to another person
14:40 < Wombert> who abandoned mojavi3 and started mojavi4 on his own
14:41 < Wombert> then the servers crashed and he said he has no interest in continuing development
14:41 < Wombert> use agavi :)
14:41 < codecop> :)
14:43 < codecop> i just started big project, already 3 month job, 70% finished, moving to agavi i think would be hardddd :(
14:43 < codecop> but in future agavi is in my mind
14:45 < codecop> thnx for info Wombert
14:58 < Wombert> sure, you're welcome
15:03 < v-dogg> codecop: your current project is done with m2?
15:19 < digitarald> the caching.xml in the sample app is fake, or not?
15:20 < Wombert> ewww
15:20 < Wombert> yeah
15:20 < Wombert> pobably
15:20 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
15:20 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1165 : Changeset [1165]: fixed ignore for locale parameter in sample app routing
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16:32 < digitarald> Can i generate a url with the actual matched route(s)?
16:33 < digitarald> just overwrite some parameters but using the existing routes and parameters
16:35 < digitarald> is there an access to the matchedRoutes?
16:39 < digitarald> ah ... saw the solution ... attributes org.agavi.routing
16:40 < v-dogg> $request->getAttribute('matchedRoutes', 'org.agavi.routing');
16:40 < digitarald> what is this 8002453778b01bbfc in the first slot?
16:40 < v-dogg> but there was some way to generate a route to the current page/route/action
16:40 < v-dogg> I think...
16:40 < digitarald> its the xml/xhtml route
16:44 < digitarald> i found the solution ... hopefully ... gen(null)
16:44 * v-dogg hugs agavi routing
16:45 < v-dogg> this is so awesome :)
16:45 < digitarald> did u try it? :D
16:46 < digitarald> ... may be we need some documentation for agavi :D
16:46 < digitarald> ;)
16:46 < v-dogg> no no, I've been using it from the start
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16:46 < v-dogg> I'm just fixing some things here and these routing rules are so complex and cool that I think I'm going to cry :p
16:48 < digitarald> same with me :D ... really complex ... really ...
16:49 < digitarald> but i have to do some documentation for mootools, very easy for everyone because its a wiki ... i'll hope the documentation for agavi will be easier instead of editing the docbook
16:50 < digitarald> its awesome how fast many people adding things to an wiki, examples, own code ... because they like to share their ideas ...
16:50 < digitarald> ok ... lets clean my app from BREAKING CHANGES :D
17:03 < v-dogg> we could have some wiki scrapbook for stuff like that
17:03 < v-dogg> but official documentation cannot be in wiki
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17:38 < codecop> v-dogg, no, just 70% done
17:39 < v-dogg> but done with m2?
17:39 < codecop> yes
17:39 < v-dogg> ok
17:39 < codecop> works in php4 and php5
17:40 < v-dogg> that's bad if you ask me :)
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17:40 < v-dogg> no new project should support php4 anymore
17:41 < codecop> :) who could know that
17:41 < v-dogg> us developers should do everything we can to make php4 disappear
17:42 < codecop> 4 years mojavi2 was ok and then just BUM!
17:44 < codecop> when project will be finished / next step will be move to agavi/ but i think it will take more time
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17:44 < v-dogg> you can make the change easier if you plan your models well now
17:45 < v-dogg> php5 compatible (as much as you can) and strictly presentation/enviroment independent
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17:48 < Fastly> hey guys.. just saw the message on agavi.org... has the new site already been designed?
17:48 < v-dogg> afaik, yes
17:48 < Fastly> cool, when is it going live?
17:48 < Wombert> it's still a couple of days away
17:48 < Wombert> maybe next week
17:49 < Wombert> definitely in time for the nov 5 0.11 rc1 release
17:49 < Wombert> digitarald: yes, gen(null) is the solution
17:49 < Fastly> sweet - can i take a peek ? ;-)
17:49 < Wombert> 5acb4ad5dd3244bd4a5f etc are routes without names
17:50 < Wombert> Fastly: http://www.kazek.pl/agavi/agavi3_1.png is an older mockup
17:50 < Wombert> not the final logo etc
17:51 < Wombert> wtf
17:51 < Wombert> something is weird here today
17:51 < v-dogg> here?
17:51 < v-dogg> there?
17:51 < v-dogg> where?
17:52 < codecop> how download newest agavi svn etc?
17:52 < v-dogg> svn checkout
17:52 < Wombert> codecop: www.agavi.org tells you :)
17:52 < Wombert> v-dogg: my box woke up from sleep for the second time
17:53 < Wombert> this week
17:53 < Wombert> the system log says it was a USB wakeup... mmhmmm
17:53 < Wombert> and
17:53 < Wombert> dunno
17:53 < Wombert> virus? xD
17:53 < Wombert> awww not on a mac!
17:53 < Wombert> <:
17:53 < v-dogg> codecop: I can check it out and send it as a tar.gz if you really really (really really) don't want to install svn
17:54 < codecop> svn cool
17:54 < codecop> no need
17:54 < codecop> thanx
17:54 < Wombert> gonna resync ISDN and DSL lines and reboot
17:54 < Wombert> brb
17:55 < v-dogg> happy syncing!
17:55 < Fastly> the site looks excellent btw..
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18:29 < splatch`> hello
18:29 < v-dogg> hi
18:29 < splatch`> how are you v-dogg?
18:30 < v-dogg> busy getting my project ready :)
18:31 < splatch`> Are you project based on Agavi 0.10 or 0.11?
18:31 < v-dogg> the bleeding edge 0.11 :)
18:32 < v-dogg> well not the very edge, currently I'm using #1148
18:35 < splatch`> i'm using trunk version
18:35 < splatch`> but my project are so slowly, 10 days and i've only one module
18:35 < v-dogg> way to go :)
18:36 < splatch`> yes, time to go :)
18:36 < v-dogg> my project speeded up last week when we promised that a few of our customers can start testing this week
18:37 < v-dogg> and today a huge client told today that they'll test by using it in production :D
18:37 < splatch`> hahaha
18:37 < v-dogg> but I don't mind
18:38 < v-dogg> just a bit more rough testing and they'll pay for it :)
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21:08 < Wombert> splatch`: did you hear from kazek? :)
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22:04 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
22:04 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1166 : Changeset [1166]: BREAKING CHANGE: output_tyes.xml syntax changed, assigns are now just …
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22:41 < digitarald> yeah ... more breaking changes ;)
22:42 < impl> b0rk b0rk b0rk
22:42 < Wombert> as you may have noticed
22:42 < kaos> yeah, you see, release is coming closer ;)
22:42 < Wombert> it's only the config file syntax
22:59 < splatch`> Wombert: kazek is currently offline
23:00 < splatch`> Wombert: he ISP is very poor
23:57 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
23:57 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1167 : Changeset [1167]: added ICU license and copyright information in preparation for the …
23:58 < impl> Oh boy! It's coming, it's coming!
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00:00 < splatch`> what it's coming?
00:07 < splatch`> Wombert: translate index to polish? :)
00:18 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
00:18 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1168 : Changeset [1168]: fix routing tests
00:21 < Wombert> splatch`: yes, please!
00:23 < splatch`> Wombert: check your email, please
00:24 < splatch`> Wombert: you'll store an video from agavi presentation on phpconf?
00:29 < splatch`> Wombert: you got my mail?
00:29 < splatch`> *Do you
00:35 < Wombert> yep got it, splatch`
00:35 < Wombert> thank you!
00:35 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
00:35 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1169 : Changeset [1169]: added polish version of IndexSuccess?.php
00:35 < splatch`> no problem :)
00:37 < Wombert> splatch`: "Login" is still "Login"?
00:38 < Wombert> in messages_pl.po
00:38 < splatch`> in form yes
00:38 < Wombert> in the menu
00:38 < splatch`> should be "Logowanie"
00:39 < splatch`> Wombert: what's my fault, i forgot about this
00:39 < splatch`> *that's
00:41 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
00:41 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1170 : Changeset [1170]: fixed polish translation
00:42 < Wombert> splatch`: no problem :)
00:44 < splatch`> Wombert: you'll store an video from agavi presentation on phpconf?
00:44 < Wombert> ah
00:44 < Wombert> sorry
00:44 < Wombert> no! :)
00:44 < Wombert> I won't present it in a session at the conference
00:44 < Wombert> but I'll show it to as many people as I can
00:45 < Wombert> http://phpconference.com/konferenzen/psecom,id,470,nodeid,470,_language,uk.html
00:45 < Wombert> these are the offical sessions
00:45 < Wombert> but of course people are always sitting together dicussing etc
00:45 < Wombert> and I'll bring it up to anyone who's interested
00:45 < Wombert> I'll also put up a note on my blog and on the agavi site a couple of days before the conference begins
00:46 < splatch`> Agavi - orange power :)
00:46 < Wombert> I'll meet with Hans Lellelid (the Propel founder) the day before the conference begins and show him the framework, too (he started using it this week)
00:46 < Wombert> I hope he will spread the word, too :)
00:46 < Wombert> dominik is almost finished with the date stuff
00:47 < Wombert> looks like we will really make it on or before november 5 hooray
00:47 < splatch`> i can give some feedback on my blog
00:47 < Wombert> :)
00:47 < Wombert> but!
00:47 < Wombert> don't do it before we have a website
00:47 < splatch`> Wombert: sure
00:48 < splatch`> Wombert: i'll wrote a big post about changes and new stuff
00:48 < Wombert> :)
00:49 < splatch`> we'll fought and we'll won!
00:50 < splatch`> no more cakes and symfonies, orange power! :]
00:51 < Wombert> yeah
00:51 < splatch`> Wombert: orange revolution
00:51 < Wombert> we'll _so_ rock them
00:51 < Wombert> haha :)
00:55 < splatch`> Wombert: Do you thought about commercial support for agavi
00:55 < Wombert> I did, yes
00:55 < splatch`> trainings?
00:55 < Wombert> I didn't have time yet to sit down with dominik and discuss it
00:55 < Wombert> yeah trainings and maybe email support... but that is very time intensive and yoiu need skilled people
00:56 < Wombert> who do the support
00:56 < Wombert> trainings are easier
00:56 < splatch`> i can do support in poland :)
00:56 < Wombert> :)
00:56 < splatch`> but you'll must stay on irc
00:57 < Wombert> yes
00:57 < Wombert> of course
00:57 < Wombert> :)
00:58 < splatch`> Wombert: i'm sure, after my current project i can do commercial and non-commercial support in Poland
00:58 < Wombert> if you like, sure :)
00:58 < Wombert> that's all up to you
01:01 < splatch`> Wombert: but you can make a small not on the foot "if you're looking for .. :)"
01:01 < splatch`> very, very small :]
01:02 < Wombert> splatch`: we'll likely have a "commercial support" page on the website
01:02 < splatch`> Wombert: inflector in Propel 1.2 sucks
01:02 < Wombert> in the "getting help" document
01:02 < Wombert> splatch`: it doesn't have inflection
01:02 < Wombert> propel2 _might_ get it
01:03 < Wombert> propel always adds "s" to the end
01:03 < splatch`> yes, thats sux ;]
01:03 < splatch`> getPhotoss
01:03 < splatch`> getWaterMarkss
01:03 < splatch`> blah
01:03 < splatch`> Wombert: why propel doesn't have an bigger commit?
01:04 < Wombert> splatch`: Hans and I are usually very busy and don't have much time
01:04 < Wombert> splatch`: aah no!
01:04 < Wombert> you have to use singular form for tables!
01:04 < Wombert> $book = new Book()
01:04 < Wombert> see?
01:04 < Wombert> $book = new Books() that doesn't make sense
01:04 < splatch`> Wombert: no i don't do that
01:04 < Wombert> splatch`: yes you have to do that
01:05 < Wombert> splatch`: you can override the php class name if you want your table in plural form!
01:05 < Wombert> <table name="photos" phpName="Photo"
01:05 < splatch`> polish school says:
01:05 < splatch`> entity: prular
01:05 < splatch`> attributes: singular
01:06 < Wombert> yes okay
01:06 < Wombert> for the table name
01:06 < Wombert> BUT
01:06 < Wombert> then give it a singular php name
01:06 < splatch`> not for object :]
01:06 < Wombert> $book = new Book();
01:06 < Wombert> that makes sense
01:06 < Wombert> no, that's clearly wrong
01:06 < Wombert> $book = new Books()... you create one book, not many books!
01:07 < splatch`> Wombert: yes, but i using creole target
01:07 < splatch`> and don;t using schema as is
01:07 < splatch`> *dont use
01:07 < Wombert> splatch`: then edit the schema and add phpNames for it
01:07 < splatch`> maybe in next week :)
01:07 < splatch`> now, i must back to work
01:08 < Wombert> and I'll hit the sack now
01:08 < Wombert> good night
01:08 < splatch`> kazek will show logo today :]
01:09 < Wombert> splatch`: oh! cool
01:09 < Wombert> splatch`: please ask him to email it to me
01:09 < Wombert> I'll reply as soon as I can in the morning
01:10 < splatch`> Wombert: done, you'll got logo
01:11 < Wombert> splatch`: perfect!
01:11 < Wombert> thanks
01:11 < Wombert> good night
01:11 < splatch`> night!
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06:42 < v-dogg> huomenta
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07:27 < Wombert> duuudes?
07:27 < Wombert> :)
07:27 < Wombert> http://kazek.pl/_logo1.png
07:27 < Wombert> kazek likes the second from the right best, and I agree
07:28 < Wombert> he also says the middle white logo thing is a specialversion for documentation or so and I think it'd be nice to have this one somewhere sometimes :)
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08:16 < shoan> Wombert: I like the black one
08:16 < shoan> the white one looks very osx inspired
08:17 < Wombert> the white one is for "special" occasions
08:17 < Wombert> such as on promo material or so
08:17 < Wombert> we'll use the black version 99% of the time
08:17 < Wombert> (but as white on orange, or orange on white, I guess)
08:17 < Wombert> which font version do you like best, shoan ?
08:17 < shoan> let me check
08:18 < Wombert> to make it simple for you, it's either gonna be second or third from right :)
08:18 < Wombert> the others suck a bit
08:18 < shoan> yeah
08:18 < Wombert> he like the second from right best
08:18 < Wombert> I'm not sure
08:18 < shoan> you just echoed me
08:18 < Wombert> really can't decide
08:19 < Wombert> the second one is pretty narrow... hmm
08:19 < Wombert> but it doesn't look as "average" as the one to the left, does it
08:26 < shoan> i think we need more alternatives :)
08:29 < Wombert> so you don't like either much?
08:30 < shoan> not really, I can't decide between the too
08:30 < shoan> *two
08:38 < Wombert> heh okay :)
08:38 < Wombert> gotta run, must hit the autobahn before traffic gets too nasty
08:38 < Wombert> bbl
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09:41 < raidman|Tehran> morning :)
09:45 < digitarald> Morning fellows ...
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09:46 < digitarald|Spain> ;)
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10:06 < shoan> morn
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10:26 < raidman|Tehran> _
10:26 < raidman|Tehran> /\ (_)
10:26 < raidman|Tehran> / \ __ _ __ ___ ___
10:26 < raidman|Tehran> / /\ \ / _` |/ _` \ \ / / |
10:26 < raidman|Tehran> / ____ \ (_| | (_| |\ V /| |
10:27 < raidman|Tehran> __/ |
10:27 < raidman|Tehran> |___/
10:27 < raidman|Tehran> ------------------
10:27 < raidman|Tehran> __ ___ __ _ _ ____
10:27 < raidman|Tehran> /__\ / __) /__\( \/ )(_ _)
10:27 < raidman|Tehran> /(__)\( (_-. /(__)\\ / _)(_
10:27 < raidman|Tehran> (__)(__)\___/(__)(__)\/ (____)
10:27 < raidman|Tehran> ------------------
10:27 < raidman|Tehran> wow --> http://www.network-science.de/ascii/
10:27 < eremit> yeah ...
10:28 < eremit> didn't knew ascii art or that site ?
10:29 < raidman|Tehran> no I found it a couple of minutes ago
10:30 < eremit> there are several of these sites in the net ^^
10:30 < eremit> even gif -> ascii converters
10:31 < raidman|Tehran> cool
10:32 < raidman|Tehran> let me guess, you are ascii artist :)
10:32 < eremit> lol i was some years ago ... during the shiny bbs times ... where normal user internet connections where not existant
10:33 < eremit> and fido + usenet was the best you could archive
10:35 < raidman|Tehran> really, Can I ask a question?
10:35 < raidman|Tehran> what's your age?
10:35 < raidman|Tehran> I'm 24
10:35 < eremit> 29 ...
10:35 < eremit> had the first modem about 16 yrs ago :)
10:35 < digitarald> oh
10:35 < digitarald> my
10:35 < digitarald> god
10:35 < digitarald> ;)
10:36 < eremit> it was a 2400bps ibm modem ..
10:36 < eremit> you had to dial by hand and press a key on the phone to hand out the connection you made to the modem :D
10:36 < raidman|Tehran> interesting
10:36 < eremit> was funny
10:38 < digitarald> somebody here ... can i use $routing->gen(null) and delete some parameters?
10:38 < eremit> raidman .. you know this kind of modems? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Acoustic_coupler_20041015_175456_1.jpg
10:38 < digitarald> he is using always all parameters
10:38 < eremit> :P
10:38 < eremit> digitarald, ? what do you wanna archive ?
10:40 < raidman|Tehran> eremit: :>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
10:40 < digitarald> i have a pagination-class ... i want to delete the select-page parameter when creating the link for change-items-per-page
10:41 < eremit> but what do you expect $routing->gen(null) to return ?
10:43 < digitarald> gen(null) takes the matchedRoutes and all request parameters ... so actually its generating the requestes url (incl. all post vars)
10:43 < digitarald> so gen(null, array('gotoPage' => 1) ) overwrites the eventually given gotoPage request parameter
10:44 < digitarald> i just discovered the gen(null) feature yesterday :D
10:45 < digitarald> the problem is, i want to delete the eventually given gotoPage from the generated url and dont want to set him new
10:46 < eremit> uh ...
10:46 < eremit> sorry, there i can't help :/
10:47 < v-dogg> digitarald: you can delete parameters with ->get('name', array('param1'=>null));
10:48 < digitarald> null, ok
10:48 < digitarald> an option would be cool that can disable the appending of given parameters
10:48 < digitarald> AgaviWebRouting.php#199
10:50 < digitarald> pros/cons?
10:52 < v-dogg> I have never had use for such a feature
10:54 < digitarald> thats so cool ... routing ... i love it ... my link-generating-whore :D
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10:55 < shoan> Wombieeeeee
10:57 < Wombert> shoaaaaan
10:57 < Wombert> sup
10:57 < shoan> diwali :)
10:58 < Wombert> what's that
10:58 < Wombert> digitarald: 'param' => null
10:58 < Wombert> explicitly deletes it
10:59 < Wombert> the whole point of gen(null) is that it even includes query string arguments
11:00 < shoan> Wombert: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diwali
11:01 < Wombert> oO
11:01 < Wombert> :)
11:01 < Wombert> well, happy diwali then :D
11:02 < shoan> Thank you. Wish you the same :)
11:02 < Wombert> :D
11:08 * Wombert yawns
11:08 < Wombert> right uhm...
11:08 < Wombert> see you guys later :)
11:09 < Wombert> eremit, digitarald, v-dogg: your thoughts on the logo font please
11:09 < digitarald> 2th or 3th from left
11:09 < Wombert> second or third from the right, that's the question
11:09 < Wombert> from left?
11:09 < digitarald> ;)
11:09 < digitarald> right
11:09 < Wombert> k
11:09 < Wombert> I can't decide either, and I'd like to tell kazek our decision as soon as I can
11:09 < digitarald> can u repost the url, plz?
11:10 < Wombert> so we should settle for one tonight if possible
11:10 < Wombert> mmh
11:10 < Wombert> NOOOOOOO
11:10 < Wombert> I didn't press control-c before I closed the browser
11:10 < Wombert> ahah
11:10 < Wombert> well
11:10 < Wombert> I can't be arsed to open the logs again
11:11 < digitarald> i can search it in history ;)
11:11 < Wombert> do it yoirself please
11:11 < Wombert> thanks
11:11 < Wombert> see ya later
11:11 < digitarald> http://kazek.pl/_logo1.png
11:11 < digitarald> 3th from right has my vote
11:12 < digitarald> more space between chars looks better
11:12 < digitarald> eremit, v-dogg, your thoughts ;)
11:15 < eremit> 2nd from the left i would like if the G wouldn'T be that big ...
11:16 < digitarald> thats a good point ... its really a little bit outstanding
11:25 < v-dogg> 2nd from the left would be my choice too
11:25 < digitarald> 2nd from the right for me by now ;)
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11:28 < raidman|Tehran> shoan: happy diwali :)
11:38 < shoan> raidman|Tehran: wish you the same :)
11:40 < digitarald> anybody tried the new ie7 and like him?
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13:23 < digitarald> Wombert, all voted 2nd from the right
13:23 < Wombert> k
13:23 < Wombert> so the one with the narrow font?
13:23 < digitarald> yes ... the G in the 3th is too big
13:24 < Wombert> okay
13:24 < Wombert> I
13:25 < Wombert> I'll tell kazek
13:26 < Wombert> everyone please test http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/1172
13:26 < Wombert> bbl
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13:47 < digitarald> i'm using 1.2 ... is 1.3 a useable trunk?
13:52 < shoan> 1.3 didn't work for me
13:52 < shoan> atleast the generator part of it was broken
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13:57 < digitarald> same for me
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14:35 < Wombert> re fellas
14:35 < Wombert> 'sup
14:35 < Wombert> anyone tried the new AgaviPropelDatabase yet?
14:47 < splatch`> new?
14:47 < Wombert> yeah I changed it quite a lot
14:47 < Wombert> now supports propel 1.3 etc
14:47 < Wombert> digitarald, shoan: if possible I'd also like to hear if you have any trouble with it in combination with 1.2
14:52 < digitarald> is propel trunk 1.3 still broken?
14:53 < Wombert> broken... is relative
14:53 < Wombert> it works
14:53 < Wombert> but it uses pdo
14:53 < Wombert> and columns are always returned as strings right now IIRC
15:00 < digitarald> tested ... no problems
15:02 < Wombert> great
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15:47 < splatch`> Wombert: agavi sets include path to lib
15:47 < splatch`> modules/foo/lib
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15:52 < splatch> sorry wombert, my session was crashed
15:53 < Wombert> splatch: where does it set that? :(
15:54 < splatch> in modules are the lib directory
15:54 < digitarald> agavi is setting an include path?
15:55 < splatch> no
15:55 < splatch> include_once AgaviConfig::get('core.app_dir') .'/modules/Position/lib/BaseInputView.class.php';
15:55 < splatch> the currently path
15:56 < splatch> with include path can be "BaseInputView.class.php"
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15:59 < splatch> does FPF supports select fields?
15:59 < v-dogg> yes
16:03 < splatch> hm, for add actions it works
16:03 < splatch> but with edit
16:03 < splatch> where I set parameters for FPF
16:03 < splatch> i haven't slected options
16:04 < splatch> <select name="water_mark_position_option_two" id="fe-water_mark_position_option_two">
16:04 < splatch> and after this options
16:04 < splatch> <option value="0">blabla</options>
16:04 < splatch> and others
16:04 < splatch> they're setting errors
16:05 < splatch> but doesn't set the selected attribute
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16:05 < splatch> any ideas? :)
16:07 < splatch> http://phpfi.com/165738?lang=html my template
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16:22 < Wombert> splatch: hmm maybe a bug
16:22 < splatch> i'll check it
16:23 < splatch> ach
16:24 < splatch> descendant::html:option
16:25 < splatch> /html:option[@value=$val] ?
16:27 < Wombert> no
16:27 < Wombert> the code seems correct
16:27 < Wombert> I'll have a look
16:28 < splatch> string(1) "0" int(1) bool(false)
16:28 < splatch> string(1) "8" int(1) bool(false)
16:28 < splatch> string(1) "7" int(1) bool(false)
16:28 < splatch> string(1) "2" int(1) bool(false)
16:28 < splatch> string(1) "3" int(1) bool(false)
16:28 < splatch> string(1) "5" int(1) bool(false)
16:28 < splatch> string(1) "0" int(2) bool(false)
16:28 < splatch> string(1) "9" int(2) bool(false)
16:28 < splatch> string(2) "10" int(2) bool(false)
16:28 < splatch> string(1) "4" int(2) bool(false)
16:28 < splatch> string(1) "1" int(2) bool(false)
16:29 < splatch> string(1) "6" int(2) bool(false)
16:29 < splatch> option value, parameter value, condition result
16:29 < splatch> i've two selects
16:29 < splatch> omg
16:29 < splatch> i so stupid
16:30 < Wombert> ?
16:30 < Wombert> in the template they have different names
16:30 < splatch> yes
16:30 < splatch> http://phpfi.com/165738?lang=html
16:30 < splatch> the template
16:31 < splatch> hm
16:31 < splatch> maybe my mistake
16:31 < splatch> replaced values and selects
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17:25 < shoan> looks like we are getting pretty popular
17:26 < shoan> lots of new ppl in here today
17:26 < splatch> Total of 18 nicks :)
17:33 < epaulin> yeah, Agavi rocks,
17:34 < Wombert> :)
17:35 < raidman|Away> hey firmanw, what's up :)
17:35 < raidman|Away> hi guys
17:35 < raidman|Away> hi Wombert :)
17:35 < epaulin> hi
17:35 < raidman|Away> epaulin: :)
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17:36 < raidman|Tehran> yeah yeah agavi rocks :)
17:36 < splatch> hello world!
17:37 < raidman|Tehran> splatch: hi :)
17:38 < splatch> oi raidman|Tehran!
17:38 < splatch> where's tehran? ;>
17:38 < raidman|Tehran> :>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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17:44 < splatch> raidman|Away: look out, bomb! :)
17:44 < raidman|Away> heh :)
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17:50 < Wombert> benny`work, codecop, digitarald, epaulin, eremit, Fastly, firmanw, jake, kaos, Kubicek, raidman|Away, shoan_, splatch, ttj and v-dogg
17:50 < Wombert> vote please
17:50 < Wombert> http://kazek.pl/_logo1.png
17:50 < Wombert> which font style do you prefer
17:50 < Wombert> tell me the number starting from the LEFT
17:50 < Wombert> 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5
17:51 < epaulin> second from left
17:51 < splatch> 2
17:51 < eremit> 2 (with a smaller G) || 5
17:51 < epaulin> Ooops, 3
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17:52 < ttj> Is 2 just a scaled down version of 1?
17:52 < Wombert> yes I think so
17:52 < Wombert> I must say I don't like this font much
17:53 < ttj> 1 or 5.
17:53 < Wombert> eww
17:53 < ttj> Well, you wanted us to vote. ;-)
17:54 < Wombert> yeah
17:54 < Wombert> sure :)
17:55 < ttj> With 3 and 4 the font is too "tight", cramped.
17:56 < ttj> IMO.
17:56 < Wombert> true
17:56 < Wombert> I don't like 1 and 2 because... well the font stinks
17:56 < Wombert> 5 would be okay if it wasn't for that fugly "G"
17:57 < ttj> Who did these?
17:57 < Wombert> kazek, splatch's designer friend
17:58 < ttj> Oh, cool.
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18:07 < splatch> hm.. can validators throw exceptions
18:07 < splatch> when xinclude fails?
18:07 < Wombert> it's intentional that they don't throw errors
18:08 < splatch> any parameter to do this? :]
18:08 < Wombert> no
18:08 < Wombert> they never throw errors
18:08 < Wombert> you can use a failure tag and insert an invalid tag or so
18:08 < splatch> :)
18:08 < splatch> prothesis
18:09 < Wombert> <xi:fallback>
18:09 < Wombert> hmmm
18:09 < Wombert> but
18:09 < Wombert> you might be right
18:09 < Wombert> let me check something
18:13 < Wombert> splatch: I'm fixing this
18:14 < splatch> Wombert: minds - exceptions? :)
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18:36 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
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18:38 < Wombert> there you go, splatch
18:39 < splatch> thank you Wombert :*
18:40 < Wombert> you're welcome
18:42 < v-dogg> Wombert: wrt logo, second from the _left_ (wight maybe slightly smaller G), solid black flower for normal use, fancy flower for special cases
18:43 < Wombert> yes that was the idea, fancy flower for special occasions only (I understand it's a work in progress, he mentioned that the leave still suck etc)
18:43 < Wombert> but I must say I really, really don't like the font
18:43 < v-dogg> second from the right is ok too, but little too tight/narrow
18:43 < Wombert> it's too curvy and all don't you think
18:43 < Wombert> doesn't look any professional or whatever
18:44 < Wombert> it much rather looks like we got a decent logo and then someone fired up MS paint and chose the font his girlfriend found "cutest" or whatever
18:44 < Wombert> know what I'm saying?
18:44 < v-dogg> second from the right looks like ARIAL squeezed ;)
18:44 < v-dogg> but it's ok too
18:45 < Wombert> I guess I gotta ask him for more alternatives
18:45 < v-dogg> gotta go now, see you next week
18:45 < Wombert> uuuh
18:45 < Wombert> okay
18:45 < splatch> cU
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19:33 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
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19:57 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
19:57 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1176 : Changeset [1176]: fixed tests for good
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01:02 < Wombert> re
01:19 < ttj> gards
01:20 < ttj> Didn't lose my wallet! /o/
01:20 < Wombert> yeah it was in the fridge wasn't it
01:21 < ttj> Not even.
01:21 < ttj> It was in my pocket. And I put it onto the table.
01:22 < Wombert> and that took you a week to figure out? :D
01:22 < Wombert> or did you lose it again
01:22 < ttj> Nope.
01:22 < ttj> Come on, you silly middle-European.
01:24 < Wombert> so it wasn't in the fridge? :(
01:24 < ttj> Not this time.
01:25 < ttj> As said, I never lost it a second time. \o\
01:25 < Wombert> uh
01:25 < Wombert> uuuuh?
01:25 < Wombert> oO
01:25 < ttj> I'm going to be all responsible and shit. :P
01:27 * Wombert scratches head
01:28 < Wombert> responsible for what? oO
01:28 < Wombert> what are you talking about man :D
01:29 < ttj> Oh right, I've had too little to drink.
01:29 < ttj> Have to rectify that.
01:44 < impl> Wombert: How 'come AgaviPropelDatabase doesn't use Creole anymore?
01:45 < Wombert> it does
01:45 < Wombert> but it doesn't extend CreoleDatabase anymore
01:45 < Wombert> because Propel 1.3 uses PDO
01:45 < Wombert> so I had to re-do it
01:45 < impl> Ahhh
01:45 < impl> Gotcha
01:45 < Wombert> and I must say I love the way I tricked PHP into autoloading Propel's stuff via it's own autoloader
01:46 < Wombert> (for 1.3)
01:46 < Wombert> but I'm motherfucking depressed right now
01:47 < impl> Why's that?
01:47 < Wombert> I'm not sure yet
01:47 < Wombert> the evening started rather good
01:47 < Wombert> buuuuut
01:47 < Wombert> the party sucke
01:47 < Wombert> d
01:47 < Wombert> which is why I was back home before midnight
01:47 < Wombert> imagine that
01:47 < Wombert> wanna know why?
01:48 < Wombert> because I'm studying at Nerd University
01:48 < Wombert> and it was a university party
01:48 < Wombert> ewwwww
01:48 < impl> Aww... :P
01:48 < Wombert> why the fuck am I studying Computer Sciences anyway
01:48 < impl> I was always under the impression CS was a dying field
01:48 < ttj> Haha.
01:48 < Wombert> no
01:48 < ttj> No chanc.e
01:48 < ttj> Wombert: What you study doesn't really affect anything.
01:49 < Wombert> pardon?
01:49 < Wombert> you must be joking
01:49 < ttj> 01:48 < Wombert> because I'm studying at Nerd University
01:49 < ttj> What should that have to do with partying?
01:50 < Wombert> nothing
01:50 < Wombert> unless the party is a university party
01:50 < Wombert> I'm studying http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_University_of_Munich there
01:50 < Wombert> the other university in munich is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Maximilians_University_of_Munich
01:51 < Wombert> 32% vs 62% females
01:51 < Wombert> go figure
01:51 < ttj> When I was a freshman, the total amount of freshmen for the comp.sci. dept. was 140. Guess how many females?
01:51 < Wombert> 2?
01:51 < ttj> 4.
01:52 < ttj> One quit right away.
01:52 < Wombert> yeah that would be about the ratio we get there
01:52 < ttj> One I never saw.
01:52 < Wombert> it's not just about the girls either
01:52 < ttj> One I dated for a while.
01:52 < Wombert> it's about this entire.. CS... thing
01:52 < ttj> And don't really know about the fourth one.
01:52 < Wombert> a lot of the guys are just weird or sociopathic
01:53 < Wombert> + low girls ratio
01:53 < ttj> So? We have those here, too.
01:53 < Wombert> + > 1hr to go there
01:53 < Wombert> + the f***ing maths
01:53 < Wombert> => I'm not exactly happy with the overall situation
01:53 < Wombert> it's not like I'm saying "uuuh these guys are fucking nerds I hate em they suck"
01:53 < Wombert> it's not like that at all
01:53 < Wombert> after all, I'm a CS student, too
01:53 < Wombert> it's...
01:54 < ttj> So any specific thing except for the lack of girls, the amount of sociopaths, and the math courses?
01:54 < Wombert> how should I explain that
01:54 < Wombert> look
01:55 < Wombert> I used to be what you could describe as an average nerd
01:55 < Wombert> geek
01:55 < Wombert> computer guy type of person
01:55 < Wombert> okay wait
01:55 < Wombert> not a nerd
01:55 < Wombert> anyway
01:56 < splatch> aff
01:56 < Wombert> I find it rather difficult to... you know... find people on my wavelength
01:56 < splatch> You are trying to overwrite a route but are not staying in the same hierarchy
01:56 < Wombert> among these CS students
01:56 < splatch> help me, please! :|
01:56 < Wombert> splatch: huuuuh? oO is that an error message
01:56 < splatch> yes
01:56 < ttj> Wombert: I know precisely what you mean.
01:56 < splatch> from routing
01:56 < Wombert> ttj: what I'm saying is that... differenc circumstances would motivate me a lot more
01:56 < Wombert> splatch: what is causing this?
01:57 < ttj> What I do is just keep various different types of friends.
01:57 < Wombert> ttj: I need to be among... social people
01:57 < splatch> at exception origin
01:57 < splatch> in core.agavi_dir/routing/AgaviRouting.class.php line 197
01:57 < Wombert> splatch: the code that causes it I mean
01:57 < splatch> at exception origin
01:57 < splatch> in core.agavi_dir/routing/AgaviRouting.class.php line 197
01:57 < ttj> The guys at the school for school related stuff, then the guys at work, then the people who I've known forever, etc.
01:57 < ttj> Nice balance.
01:57 < Wombert> ttj: yeah sure
01:58 < splatch> Wombert: i moved my project from local disc to server
01:58 < impl> I guess it's kinda sad when you think and you can say you really don't have one true friend
01:58 < Wombert> I do!
01:58 < Wombert> that's not the matter
01:58 < splatch> and routing give me that exception
01:58 < impl> Oh, well, I don't :(
01:58 < impl> You're one up on me there, pal
01:58 < impl> ;p
01:58 < Wombert> I mean
01:59 < Wombert> I used to think I have one _true_ friend
01:59 < Wombert> but if you think about it... it's not always and forever the same person
01:59 < ttj> Yeah. I don't have that problem. I'm a cynic. :P
01:59 < Wombert> my "best" friend is someone I've known for a long, long time
01:59 < Wombert> but recently I didn't see him very often or whatever
01:59 < Wombert> and so... you know
01:59 < splatch> This is an internal Agavi exception. Please consult the documentation for assistance with solving this issue.
01:59 < splatch> :)
01:59 < Wombert> he's not the #1 person I talk to about everything
02:00 < Wombert> splatch: show me your routing.xml please
02:00 < ttj> Sounds like you need an SO or something to boss you around. :P
02:00 < Wombert> SO?
02:01 < ttj> Significant Other.
02:01 < Wombert> you know what I _desperately_ need?
02:01 < Wombert> a girlfriend
02:01 < Wombert> oh
02:01 < Wombert> yes
02:01 < Wombert> you bet
02:01 < splatch> Wombert: standard routing file
02:01 < splatch> in one place works, in another doesn't works
02:01 < splatch> project are in root dir
02:01 < Wombert> splatch: debug mode etc?
02:01 < splatch> debug=on
02:01 < Wombert> ttj: that's another issue
02:02 < Wombert> I don't have that "balance" a relationship gives you
02:02 < splatch> Wombert: here's my routing http://phpfi.com/165927
02:02 < ttj> I don't either. But that's usually because of my general cynicism that tends to drive people away. When I'm not dating, I just work more. :P
02:02 < ttj> I know, that may not be healthy, but works for me. :P
02:02 < Wombert> I try that, too
02:03 < Wombert> I can't even say what exactly drags me down right now
02:03 < ttj> When's the last time you've had a vacation?
02:03 < Wombert> you should become a shrink dude
02:04 < Wombert> rather long ago
02:04 < Wombert> I realize that's one of the problems
02:04 < ttj> Well, this is sort of easy. You're not that different from me. ;-)
02:04 < Wombert> heh :)
02:04 < ttj> And I spent a year a couple of years back wondering WTF I was doing. :-)
02:04 < Wombert> splatch: hmm this is very, very weird. your file works for me
02:05 < splatch> for me too
02:05 < splatch> // throw AgaviException
02:05 < splatch> and works
02:06 < Wombert> ttj: don't wanna do that really ;)
02:06 < ttj> Yeah, I know. But it helped me figure stuff out and sometimes you just have to do that.
02:08 < splatch> Wombert: that's very strange exception
02:08 < splatch> that's like like routes conflict
02:08 < Wombert> splatch: it must be something about the php version or so
02:08 < Wombert> yes, exactly
02:08 < splatch> maybe / and ^/
02:08 < Wombert> it would happen when you have to <configuration> blocks with routes
02:08 < Wombert> and you re-define a route by giving it the same name
02:09 < Wombert> but without the same tree structure
02:09 < Wombert> ttj: oh well
02:09 < splatch> Wombert: not today, not tommorow
02:11 < Wombert> anyway
02:11 < Wombert> I'll go have a beer or so with a mate
02:11 < Wombert> catch ya later
02:11 < Wombert> thanks for the conversation, ttj
02:11 < ttj> Yeah, no problem.
02:11 < ttj> You know, you can just /msg me if you want to talk.
02:12 < ttj> Since the situation sounds spookily familiar.
02:12 < Wombert> ttj: thanks, will do if I need it :)
02:12 < Wombert> I'm glad that I don't feel like that every day tbh
02:12 < Wombert> gotta figure out first what exactly annoyed me so much today
02:13 < ttj> Yeah. Anyway, I have to crash. Have to get up in 6 hours anyway.
02:13 < ttj> Later.
02:13 < Wombert> nn
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02:48 < splatch> done
02:48 < splatch> at lest my application works
03:16 < splatch> Wombert: i got error with upload file validato
03:16 < splatch> +r
03:17 < splatch> Wombert: no message, only red field
03:17 < splatch> i set required attribute to false
03:17 < splatch> and i got correct file
03:17 < splatch> with good extension etc
03:17 < splatch> i removed required, and i got error
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08:02 < raidman> morning
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08:14 < raidman> Welcome Back guys :D
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11:21 < splatch> morning
11:27 < raidman> morn' :)
11:28 < splatch> that wi'll be har day
11:28 < splatch> *hard
12:06 < eremit> http://www.phpdeveloper.org/news/6538
12:07 < eremit> morning ...
12:07 < eremit> maybe wombert should do his blog post ? :P
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16:03 < v-dogg> eremit: I think I've figured out what causes sessions to vanish
16:03 < v-dogg> or not what causes them, but when it happens :)
16:04 < v-dogg> I have session timeout set to 15 mins and for some reason php doesn't update the session timeout data
16:05 < v-dogg> so the user gets logged out after 15 mins whether or not he has used the system during that time
16:06 < v-dogg> I'm on gprs connection now so I'm not going to start searchin for a solution now
16:09 < v-dogg> hmm.. or is it the browser that causess the timeout...
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16:24 < v-dogg> g'day womb
16:27 < Wombert> hi
16:28 < v-dogg> can you read the last 5 lines from the log before you joined
16:29 < v-dogg> it seems that the sessions timeout doesn't update (session cookie expires) even if the user reloads the page
16:30 < Wombert> hmmm
16:30 < Wombert> okay I can look into it
16:30 < Wombert> but first
16:30 < Wombert> gotta cure that headache
16:30 < v-dogg> oh :(
16:31 < v-dogg> I'm just installing live httpheaders to see what's going on
16:37 < v-dogg> the session cookie is never re-sent
16:38 < v-dogg> so it expires after 15 mins from the "first contact"
16:44 < v-dogg> it might have something to do with dbsessionstorage
16:46 < v-dogg> how many bytes is agavi trunk checkout?
16:47 < Wombert> a lot
16:47 < Wombert> too much for gprs
16:47 < Wombert> 5megs or something
16:49 < v-dogg> I have time :)
16:49 < Wombert> v-dogg: could the reason be this code
16:49 < Wombert> public function startup()
16:49 < Wombert> {
16:49 < Wombert> // session_id is checked to ensure that a session has not been started already.
16:49 < Wombert> // This can happen if a class inheriting SessionStorage starts it in initialize method.
16:49 < Wombert> if($this->getParameter('auto_start', true) && session_id() == '') {
16:49 < Wombert> session_start();
16:49 < v-dogg> very likely
16:50 < v-dogg> because that, I think, sends the session cookie
16:50 < Wombert> yes
16:50 < Wombert> how urgent is that for you
16:50 < v-dogg> and now it's only sent if there is no session on already
16:50 < Wombert> I'd like to do some testing
16:50 < Wombert> set session timeout to 30 seconds or so
16:51 < v-dogg> have to sort this out by tuesday :)
16:51 < Wombert> plenty time
16:51 < v-dogg> yeah
16:51 < Wombert> where are you anyway?
16:51 < v-dogg> at a friends cottage middle of nowhere :)
16:52 < Wombert> oO
16:52 < v-dogg> I'll test that now
16:52 < Wombert> the point of that would probably be NOT to surf the internet or would it :D
16:52 < Wombert> http://feeds.autoblog.com/~r/weblogsinc/autoblog/~3/39633174/
16:52 < Wombert> haha
16:53 < v-dogg> gprs works really nicely here
16:53 < v-dogg> now umts ofcourse
16:58 < Wombert> Note: If you are using cookie-based sessions, you must call session_start() before anything is outputted to the browser.
16:58 < Wombert> yeah thta's it
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17:00 < Wombert> v-dogg: the only reason we had startup() was because of call order, right
17:00 < Wombert> hmm
17:00 < v-dogg> because everything must be initialized before startup
17:00 < Wombert> yeah
17:03 < v-dogg> I commented out the if clause but it's still not set
17:03 < Wombert> uh?
17:04 < Wombert> but it's set to use cookies, right
17:04 < Wombert> v-dogg: ah got it
17:04 < Wombert> http://de2.php.net/session_set_cookie_params
17:04 < Wombert> no
17:04 < Wombert> no that's not the problem either
17:04 < Wombert> uuuuh
17:07 < v-dogg> is sessionstorage:startup even called...
17:07 < Wombert> yes
17:08 < Wombert> $this->storage = new AgaviSessionStorage();
17:08 < Wombert> $this->storage->initialize($this, array (
17:08 < Wombert> ));
17:08 < Wombert> compiled factories.xml
17:08 < Wombert> $this->storage->startup();
17:09 < v-dogg> I write a log line there but nothing shows up into my log
17:13 < v-dogg> something weird going on here
17:13 < Wombert> look at the compiled factories.xml
17:13 < v-dogg> that method is not called
17:13 < Wombert> the call must be there!?
17:13 < Wombert> I got
17:13 < Wombert> $this->storage = new AgaviSessionStorage();
17:13 < Wombert> $this->storage->initialize($this, array (
17:13 < Wombert> ));
17:13 < Wombert> $this->storage->startup();
17:13 < Wombert> $this->validatorManager = new AgaviValidatorManager();
17:14 < Wombert> $data['storage_code'] = '$this->storage = new ' . $data['storage']['class'] . '();' . "\n" .
17:14 < Wombert> '$this->storage->initialize($this, ' . var_export($data['storage']['params'], true) . ');' . "\n" .
17:14 < Wombert> '$this->storage->startup();';
17:18 < v-dogg> I don't get it
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17:25 < toby_swe> Hi, anything wrong with svn?
17:26 < Wombert> www.agavi.org
17:26 < Wombert> or
17:26 < Wombert> channel topic
17:26 < Wombert> :p
17:29 < toby_swe> I only get: "Error * Can't connect to host 'svn.agavi.org': No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it." Using tortoise on win.
17:29 < toby_swe> trying to update...
17:33 < Wombert> localhost:~/Sites/_projects/agavi/trunk dzuelke$ svn up
17:33 < Wombert> At revision 1176.
17:33 < Wombert> please note that servers have moved and we now use http instead of svnserve
17:33 < Wombert> you have to relocate the repository for your checkout
17:37 < toby_swe> ok, thanks. Works fine.
17:37 < Wombert> sweet
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18:35 < Wombert> v-dogg: I'm trying to reproduce the problem
18:35 < Wombert> I set session lifetime to 30 seconds
18:35 < Wombert> that works
18:35 < Wombert> and after that 30 seconds, I get a new session ID
18:35 < Wombert> but I remain logged in
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20:14 < v-dogg> uh.. I have fever
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20:42 < v-dogg> womb: did you use a db sessionstorage?
20:43 < Wombert> v-dogg: nope
20:43 < v-dogg> because if the id changes, all data is lost
20:44 < Wombert> yeah that might be the reason
20:44 < Wombert> I guess PHP's own session handler is able to handle that situation
20:44 < Wombert> after all, you can also change the sess id at runtime
20:44 < v-dogg> yep, but not with our db ses strorages
20:45 < Wombert> yeah
20:45 < Wombert> we gotta look into that
20:45 < Wombert> we'll find a solution in time for ya
20:46 < Wombert> in the meantime, if you're catching a fever, you should hit the sack
20:46 < Wombert> drink some vick medi night
20:46 < v-dogg> bugger.. have to re-think these db sesstorages
20:47 < Wombert> v-dogg: not necessarily
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20:48 < Wombert> oops
20:49 < v-dogg> :)
20:50 < v-dogg> yeah, maybe i'll stop thinking about this and start getting well :)
20:50 < v-dogg> see ya later
20:51 < Wombert> you should man
20:51 < Wombert> getting sick doesn't help
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22:06 < Wombert> v-dogg: found the problem
22:06 < Wombert> session.cookie_lifetime integer
22:06 < Wombert> session.cookie_lifetime specifies the lifetime of the cookie in seconds which is sent to the browser. The value 0 means "until the browser is closed." Defaults to 0. See also session_get_cookie_params() and session_set_cookie_params(). Since the cookie is returned by the browser, it is not prolonged to suffice the lifetime. It must be sent manually by setcookie().
22:24 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
22:24 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1177 : Changeset [1177]: a fix for SessionStorage? that fixes PHP's fucking retarded behavior NOT to …
22:56 < splatch> hello :)
22:56 < digitarald> hi
23:00 < Wombert> hi
23:30 < ttj> Woah.
23:32 < Wombert> hmh?
23:32 < ttj> Home!
23:36 < digitarald> i really like that conversations :D
23:36 < ttj> Which one?
23:38 < Wombert> clubbing time
23:38 < Wombert> catch ya later guys
23:38 < ttj> Later.
23:39 < v-dogg> haha
23:40 < Wombert> v-dogg: your bug should be fixed
23:40 < v-dogg> yeah, read your commit msg
23:40 < v-dogg> thanks
23:41 < v-dogg> php <3
23:44 < Wombert> :D
23:44 < Wombert> gotta hurry now
23:44 < Wombert> l8rs
23:45 < v-dogg> time to go to bed
23:46 < v-dogg> night
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10:43 < v-dogg> huomenta
10:47 < v-dogg> did someone figure out routing w/o index.php on lighttp?
10:53 < eremit> somehow yes
10:53 < eremit> there a topic in the cookbook about it
10:57 < v-dogg> ok
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14:02 < Wombert> re
14:02 < Wombert> uuuug
14:02 < Wombert> ttj: the brother of that flurry animal that died in your mouth the other day
14:02 < Wombert> died in mine last night
14:18 < ttj> Oh, hmm... I wonder if they migrate...
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14:49 < splatch_> hello
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14:56 < Wombert> hi splatch`
14:56 < Wombert> mmmmh I drank lots of vodka last night
14:56 < Wombert> and whiskey
14:56 < Wombert> and beer
15:02 < splatch`> Wombert: so, how are you? :)
15:04 < Wombert> mmmh
15:04 < Wombert> not as destroyed as I thought I would be
15:09 < splatch`> dam, that whiskey is been bad idea ;)
15:09 < Wombert> actually
15:10 < Wombert> I'm pretty fine right now
15:10 < Wombert> don't even have a headache or so
15:10 < Wombert> (only a very small one)
15:10 < splatch`> Wombert: free like bird? :)
15:10 < Wombert> and I had soooo much fun
15:10 < Wombert> it was great :)
15:10 < splatch`> for me the worst moment is vodka after beer
15:10 < splatch`> i thought about
15:11 < splatch`> i got vodka and i have to drank after vodka
15:12 < splatch`> vodka and tipple :)
15:13 < splatch`> that's this word
15:14 < splatch`> Are you tripple vodka? :)
15:17 < splatch`> Wombert: ?
16:27 < epaulin> hi, guys, need some help of the routing configuration
16:28 < epaulin> can I disabled the routing and back to PATH_INFO like agavi 0.10?
16:29 < Wombert> like /module/action/name/value/name2/value2 ?
16:29 < epaulin> yeah
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16:29 < Wombert> sure :)
16:29 < Wombert> set up this rule:
16:29 * epaulin listing
16:30 < epaulin> I setup one :<route name='global' pattern="^/module/(module:\S+)/action/(action:\S+)" cut="true" module="${module}" action="${action}">
16:30 < epaulin> but didn't work
16:31 < epaulin> didn't know how to stop the action match, when met the slash,
16:33 < Wombert> <route name="all" pattern="^/(module:[^/]+)/(action:[^/]+)(values:/{.*})" module="$module" action="$action" callback="InsertValues">
16:33 < Wombert> <ignores>
16:33 < Wombert> <ignore>module</ignore>
16:33 < Wombert> <ignore>action</ignore>
16:33 < Wombert> <ignore>values</ignore>
16:33 < Wombert> </ignores>
16:33 < Wombert> <defaults>
16:33 < Wombert> <default for="values">/{}</default>
16:33 < Wombert> </defaults>
16:33 < Wombert> </route>
16:33 < Wombert> then you have to write the InsertValues callback
16:33 < Wombert> that sets the values from the rest of the path
16:33 < Wombert> and re-inserts them on generate()
16:35 < Wombert> I'm a bit too dizzy to write that callback right now
16:35 < epaulin> :-)
16:35 < epaulin> thanks, Wombert, I'll try
16:35 < Wombert> it's not really trivial, you have to trick it into thinking that the values passed to gen() are in the route so it won't append them using ?foo=bar
16:38 < epaulin> Wombert: I did't need to use gen() to generate url, can i ignoring doing this, just want to migrating legacy stuff to agavi0.11
16:38 < Wombert> ah!
16:38 < Wombert> okay
16:38 < Wombert> well you could also just disable routing and overwrite the WebRequest
16:38 < Wombert> that would be easaier then
16:38 < Wombert> eaasier
16:39 < epaulin> hmm. I noticed PATH_INFO didn't work anymoe. overwrite seems much more eaasier,Ok
16:39 < Wombert> yes we threw that possibility out
16:40 < Wombert> because now there's the routing for that
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20:12 < splatch`> Wombert: Are > module="$module" action="$action" callback="InsertValues"> < is new option in 0.11?
20:19 < kaos> callback ?
20:19 < kaos> the entire routing is new in 0.11 ?
20:19 < kaos> !
20:19 < kaos> -?
21:22 < digitarald> entire routing is new, yes
21:22 < digitarald> powerful ... scary powerfil, full of options
21:24 < digitarald> -i+u
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21:56 < raidman> Hi guys
22:02 < raidman> Wombert: I'm late, but I like 4th logo :)
22:11 < digitarald> :D
22:11 < raidman> digitarald: what's funny? :)
22:13 < digitarald> u're really late ;)
22:13 < raidman> ah :P
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00:20 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
00:20 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1178 : Changeset [1178]: POSSIBLE BREAKING CHANGE: SessionStorage::startup() is now only called if …
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07:15 < Wombert> yooo
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09:48 < Wombert> y0000
09:48 < Wombert> xD
09:48 * Wombert slaps v-dogg
09:48 < Wombert> how are you buddy
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10:36 < v-dogg> huomenta
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11:59 < digitarald> Morning fellows
12:00 < v-dogg> huomenta
12:03 < Wombert> hi
12:03 < Wombert> you're feeling better, v-dogg ?
12:04 < v-dogg> yes, a bit anyway
12:06 < Wombert> glad to hear that
12:07 < Wombert> let me know if you're still having trouble with session lifetimes
12:07 < Wombert> digitarald: I started re-writing the CEF this morning
12:07 < Wombert> if you're lucky, I won't procrastinate today and it is finished by tonight ;)
12:08 < v-dogg> this new iTunes with an ability to browse album covers is nice :)
12:09 < Wombert> yeah except it sucks on windows xD
12:09 < v-dogg> how come?
12:09 < Wombert> dunno
12:09 < Wombert> it just stinks IMO
12:09 < Wombert> before I had a Mac, I hated iTunes like there was no tomorrow
12:10 < Wombert> feels ugly, behaves ugly, looks ugly, performs ugly
12:10 < Wombert> just like quicktime on windows
12:11 < v-dogg> it doesn't feel, behave, look or perform ugly
12:11 < Wombert> hm
12:11 < Wombert> okay xD
12:11 < v-dogg> quicktime does
12:12 < v-dogg> need to take the dog out
12:12 < v-dogg> and after that maybe get some work done
12:13 < digitarald> CEF today ... christmas seems to be today ;)
12:14 < v-dogg> I didn't hear womb say that it would be ready today :)
12:15 < digitarald> ... then is christmas today and tomorrow ... :P
12:16 < digitarald> or today christmas and tomorrow easter ... i'm someone with positive thoughts ;)
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12:38 < v-dogg> can svn checkouts be copied from place A to place B?
12:40 < v-dogg> I checked out a copy to my laptop. can I now copy that directory to another machine, work on it and copy the working copy back to my laptop when I'm done?
13:05 < digitarald> yes
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14:37 < splatch`> hello
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14:39 * splatch` is ill :|
14:40 < v-dogg> join the club
14:40 < splatch`> i'm sick after drunk :(
14:40 < v-dogg> heh, ok :)
14:42 < splatch`> my head is working fine, but my stomach doesn't works
14:51 < splatch`> I've problem with image uploading and validation
14:52 < splatch`> Does anyone can help me?
14:53 < v-dogg> probably not, but ask anyway
14:56 < splatch`> i've field "photo_file" and i using one template for add and edit
14:56 < splatch`> with edit validation works fine (bad extension=error_
14:57 < splatch`> but with add validation fails with good extension
14:57 < splatch`> and i don't know why
14:58 < splatch`> v-dogg: you got that? :)
14:59 < v-dogg> I get the problem but I have no idea what might cause it
15:01 < splatch`> that's very strange
15:01 < splatch`> validation fails, the field is red, but i haven't an message
15:11 < v-dogg> hey, who broke cygwin's repositories?
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16:27 < splatch`> hmm
16:28 < splatch`> {$ctl->getModuleName()|lower}_{$ctl->getActionName()|lower}.js
16:29 < splatch`> i got names from decorator! :|
16:31 < splatch`> Wombert..
16:31 < Wombert> ?
16:32 < splatch`> Does getModuleName return the request module?
16:32 < Wombert> no, the current one
16:32 < Wombert> {$ctl->getModuleName()|lower}_{$ctl->getActionName()|lower}.js
16:32 < Wombert> that's a bit hacky
16:33 < Wombert> you should assign an attribute in the view that contains the name of the javascript file
16:34 < splatch`> that's excess, i can check - file_exists and include by names
16:34 < Wombert> _that_ is slower
16:34 < splatch`> that's backend
16:35 < Wombert> so you need the name of the current action?
16:35 < Wombert> $actionStack->firstEntry() has it
16:35 < Wombert> (current = the one that was requested=
16:35 < splatch`> yes, i need this
16:36 < digitarald> Wombert: would u use propel 1.3 for development or still 1.2?
16:36 < Wombert> I'm using 1.2
16:36 < Wombert> I know others are using 1.3 already without much trouble
16:36 < Wombert> 1.3 is a lot faster
16:42 < digitarald> mmhh ... then i use 1.2 till 1.3 makes less troubles
16:48 < v-dogg> what makes it faster?
17:07 < Wombert> PDO, autoloading
17:08 < v-dogg> no more creole?
17:12 < Wombert> exactly
17:12 < Wombert> for the runtime, of course
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17:15 < JamieWolf> Hello everyone
17:15 < Wombert> hi JamieWolf
17:15 < Wombert> what's up
17:15 < Wombert> welcome to agavi :)
17:15 < Wombert> in case you haven't been here before
17:15 < JamieWolf> Getting started again with agavi
17:15 < Wombert> good to hear
17:15 < Wombert> BUT
17:15 < JamieWolf> Wombert has been a while ...
17:15 < Wombert> use trunk
17:15 < JamieWolf> i do. eremit recomended it
17:16 < Wombert> did you use the same nickname back then?
17:16 < JamieWolf> yes
17:16 < Wombert> odd
17:16 < Wombert> can't remember you I'm afraid
17:16 < JamieWolf> im using my nickname for ages now
17:16 < JamieWolf> doesnt matter, just be ready to answer some noob questions ;)
17:17 < Wombert> with pleasure
17:18 < JamieWolf> Great! But I'll read through the example app first :)
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18:31 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
18:31 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1183 : Changeset [1183]: phpdoc fixes
19:01 < digitarald> Wombert: is there a tutorial for isTree in propel?
19:02 < digitarald> for me it looks pretty senseless for now?
19:21 < epaulin> digitarald: maybe this will help: http://propel.phpdb.org/trac/wiki/Development/NestedSet
19:23 < digitarald> agavi trunk is broken?
19:23 < epaulin> when using isTree, set table attr isTree="true"
19:23 < epaulin> and add node_path, <column name="node_path" nodeKey="true" type="VARCHAR" size="255" required="true" default="" />
19:23 < digitarald> thats cool. thx
19:23 < digitarald> the problem is, he ignores all other fields
19:24 < digitarald> i generated my config with node_path, but there are other fields, that where ignored
19:24 < epaulin> nope, agavi svn works fine
19:24 < digitarald> agavi autoload has this entry which is not in the trunk:
19:24 < digitarald> %core.agavi_dir%/date/AgaviCalendar.class.php
19:25 < epaulin> Oh, i got is wrong
19:26 < digitarald> help ... somebody commit please this calendar *grmpf*
19:26 < digitarald> ;)
19:27 < digitarald> there sre 5 other files in autoload that target date/ files, but only 1 file in date ... who did break this?
19:27 < Wombert> ...
19:28 < epaulin> we have some other fields too, and we init that data manually
19:29 < digitarald> but thats ... i define fields and propel ignore them because its only supplying tree-access functions ... strange
19:29 < digitarald> very strange
19:30 < digitarald> Wombert: did u take a look at it?
19:30 < Wombert> ?
19:31 < digitarald> in the agavi autoload.xml are 6 files assigned which are supposed to be in date/ ... in date/ is only 1 file
19:32 < kaos> yeah
19:32 < kaos> blame me
19:32 < kaos> i totally forgot the framework complains when the files don't exist :/
19:32 < digitarald> ... i knew that ... blame on you ;)
19:33 < epaulin> digitarald: u mean XxxNode and XxxNodePeer
19:33 < epaulin> ?
19:33 < digitarald> yes
19:33 < digitarald> it forgot all my other fields :(
19:34 < digitarald> kaos, can u comment them out and commit the new autoload?
19:34 < kaos> no
19:34 < kaos> i will commit the date stuff ;p
19:34 < digitarald> can u commit the files?
19:34 < digitarald> ;)
19:34 < digitarald> thats ok, too :P
19:34 < Wombert> dude
19:34 < Wombert> easy
19:34 < Wombert> patience is the key to happiness
19:35 < Wombert> if I may quote from the topic
19:35 < epaulin> :-)
19:35 < digitarald> i was just an that cool ajax stuff, all fancy effects, drag and drop and all things things that make happy, too ... and then ... update ... and then ... exceptions ... *cry*
19:35 < digitarald> ;)
19:37 < epaulin> digitarald: the TableName class should work normallly. not the TableNameNode one.
19:37 < digitarald> ok .... how long kaos, i have to synchronize my patience with my gant chart
19:38 < kaos> 5 minutes
19:38 < kaos> max ;o
19:38 < digitarald> it generated me no other files than the node files
19:39 < epaulin> strange, it should generated normal one and the Node.
19:39 < digitarald> ok ... deleted them. new generation
19:41 < digitarald> epaulin: do u use 1.2?
19:41 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
19:41 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1184 : Changeset [1184]: - Date stuff. This is still very much work in progress NOTE: the timezone …
19:41 < epaulin> en,
19:41 < epaulin> 1.2, using isTree almost 1 year
19:43 < splatch`> *yawn*
19:43 < digitarald> nodeKey is not defined for coumn elements :(
19:43 < epaulin> :(
19:44 < digitarald> only an eclipse error ... no errors from propel
19:45 < digitarald> it generated both ... *yawn* ;) ... thx
19:46 < epaulin> great, :-)
19:47 < splatch`> Wombert: when 0.11 will be stable?
19:47 < Wombert> RC1 will be out on November 5
19:48 < Wombert> everyone may then propose changes and point out drawbacks we should address
19:48 < Wombert> if there is consensus to change something, it will happen
19:48 < digitarald> kaos: thx, great job :)
19:48 < Wombert> otherwise, we'll release an RC2 if necessary
19:49 < splatch`> date stuff
19:50 < splatch`> date stuff was in Mojavi4 :)
19:50 < digitarald> date stuff is in symfony, too ;)
19:50 < Wombert> ...
19:50 < digitarald> ;)
19:50 < Wombert> their stuff is stolen from prado
19:50 < Wombert> and sucks
19:51 < Wombert> splatch`: try
19:51 < Wombert> $cal = $tm->createCalendar();
19:51 < Wombert> $cal->set(2006, AgaviDateDefinitions::OCTOBER, 19, 21, 54);
19:51 < Wombert> echo ($tm->_d($cal));
19:51 < Wombert> with p locale
19:51 < Wombert> you'll get polish month names
19:51 < digitarald> just waited for the wombert-echo ;)
19:51 < splatch`> digitarald: me too :)
19:51 < splatch`> Wombert: new page will be relased 5.11 also?
19:51 < digitarald> thats too cool ...
19:52 < Wombert> splatch`: I hope
19:52 < Wombert> splatch`: if kazek will be finished in time :)
19:52 < splatch`> ;)
19:53 < kaos> now i "just" need to do that &%/$$%&" olson timezone stuff
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19:57 < splatch`> Wombert: maybe after next month kazek'll go to another job! :)
19:57 < Fastly> how's the new site coming along?
19:58 < splatch`> 5.11
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20:01 < digitarald> kaos: you have var_dump's in AgaviDateFormatter ;)
20:02 < digitarald> i think i stop developing for today and start ... mmmhh ... drinking cool beer
20:05 * splatch` no more drinkin'
20:07 < digitarald> tapas and beer ;)
20:08 < splatch`> tapas?
20:08 < digitarald> spanish snacks ...
20:08 < splatch`> aaa :)
20:10 < splatch`> today i had some turns
20:11 < digitarald> turns?
20:11 < splatch`> digitarald: you now, you eat, drink and after vodka you return all
20:11 < digitarald> :D ... turn ... ok ;)
20:12 < splatch`> digitarald: i don't know name for that operation in english ;)
20:13 < digitarald> to puke ;)
20:13 < splatch`> yes! that's puke ;)
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20:18 < digitarald> but i didnt know that neither ...
20:18 < digitarald> vale ... venga ... haste luego ;)
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20:25 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
20:25 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1185 : Changeset [1185]: remove debug stuff
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00:06 < JamieWolf> Is there a possibility to see the Quickstartmovie?
00:08 < Wombert> no
00:08 < Wombert> it's outdated
00:20 < JamieWolf> I just were courious about it
00:48 < Wombert> I'll probably do a new one for 0.11
00:50 < splatch`> Wombert: only one? :)
00:50 < Wombert> for 0.11, yes
00:50 < Wombert> at least for RC1
00:50 < Wombert> if I'll have the time at all
00:50 < Wombert> it's gonna be close with november 5 anyway
00:51 < splatch`> Wombert: 0.11 have many features, one movie will be not 2 minutes bud 20 :)
00:51 < Wombert> yes
00:51 < impl> It took us 4 hours to get through the explanation on IRC
00:51 < impl> That could be a problem
00:52 < impl> I think we should do a series :P
00:52 < Wombert> that explanation wasn't representative
00:52 < splatch`> 20 minutes video to world dominatuin :)
00:52 < Wombert> we'll have different defaults, at least for 1.0
00:52 < Wombert> e.g. default assigns
00:53 < Wombert> and maybe some filters enabled right away
00:53 < impl> Sounds useful
00:53 < Wombert> you know, where $ro is the routing in all templates by default etc
00:53 < impl> Hmm....
00:53 < Wombert> $ro, $rq, $ct, $tm, $us
00:53 < impl> None of our other renderers support those do they?
00:54 < Wombert> they all support it
00:54 < impl> Not the XSL one...
00:54 < Wombert> I designed it so it works with all of em
00:54 < Wombert> it sure does!
00:54 < impl> zomg.
00:54 < impl> How?
00:54 < Wombert> you can do php calls from within XSL
00:54 < Wombert> not exactly sure
00:54 < impl> Ah...
00:54 < Wombert> the php conference will have a talk on XSL I want to attend ;)
00:54 < impl> :) XSL is really amazing stuff
00:55 < splatch`> but not in php ;)
00:55 < splatch`> try to assing object from php to XSLT
00:55 < splatch`> there's no way to do this
00:55 < Wombert> oh
00:55 < Wombert> well bad luck for the XSL blokes then I guess xD
00:55 < Wombert> anyway
00:56 < Wombert> first things first
00:56 < splatch`> XSLTProcessor::setParameter(string key, string value);
00:56 < Wombert> we gotta concentrate on having RC1, the site and a minimum of docs ready
00:56 < Wombert> at least a rough translation guide
00:56 < Wombert> I'm fairly certain you can assign arrays at least
00:59 < splatch`> setParameter ( string namespace, array options )
01:00 < splatch`> An array of name => value pairs. This syntax is available since PHP 5.1.0.
01:00 < splatch`> :]
01:01 < splatch`> Wombert: but you can do this with foreach
01:02 < splatch`> Wombert: i can't do $proc->setParameter('', 'colors', array(foo, bar, baz));
01:02 < Wombert> yeah maybe, I don't know XSL
01:02 < Wombert> impl wrote the renderer
01:05 < splatch`> sleep time
01:05 < splatch`> bye!
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06:13 < shoan> morning :)
06:47 < ttj> Morning.
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09:14 < splatch`> morning!
09:16 < v-dogg> huomenta
09:18 < Wombert> y0
09:37 < v-dogg> my home computer got hacked :(
09:39 < Wombert> uuuh?
09:39 < Wombert> uncool
09:39 < v-dogg> very
09:43 < Wombert> buy a hardware router ;)
09:43 < Wombert> less hassle anyway
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11:21 < eremit> heyja
11:23 < raidman> hi
11:23 < EleRas> hiho
11:26 < digitarald> hi
12:25 < splatch`> oi! :)
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13:03 < v-dogg> ok... updating to #1187
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14:10 < eremit> yay ... just updating my project from 1066 to 1087 ...
14:10 < eremit> wtf ... isn't there any possibility to remove all these pluralizations from the xml ?
14:14 < eremit> gna wombert, why changeset:1164 ?
14:14 < v-dogg> hmm.. is value exporting/normalizing in validator broken...
14:14 < v-dogg> eremit: just working on that :)
14:14 < Wombert> eremit: :)
14:14 < eremit> yeah ... and 1164 ist the reason why i stop upgrading at 1163 ...
14:15 < Wombert> whatever makes you happy
14:15 < eremit> for now
14:15 < eremit> dont wanna change dozens of custom validators and validation xml files *gg*
14:15 < v-dogg> eremit: surely you can hack away a little script that converts your validation xml ;)
14:16 < eremit> uhm ... would mean i really have to think today ? ... sorry, to much alcohol yesterday for this today :P
14:16 < v-dogg> hehe
14:16 < Wombert> v-dogg: I'm not sure if that would work
14:16 < Wombert> but either way, I really believe that the new syntax is 1000 times better
14:16 < Wombert> btw, "base" for arguments has been moved into <arguments>
14:17 < eremit> i simply dont understand the reason for all these pluralisations ...
14:17 < v-dogg> what about export?
14:22 < v-dogg> hey, this is not nice... what has happened to exporting data from validation... :(
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14:32 < eremit> wombert are there more pending BC breaking changes atm ?
14:36 < digitarald> Wombert: In propel before or after saving modifications in a model, can i get all modified fields?
14:45 < Wombert> no
14:45 < Wombert> and
14:45 < Wombert> isColumnModified()
14:48 < digitarald> i want a list of modified columns, for the log
14:48 < digitarald> i know there is a protected or private array, there should be a getter :)
14:48 < Wombert> write it
14:48 < Wombert> it's open source, you know...
14:49 < digitarald> that means everybody can contribute?
14:49 < digitarald> is agavi open source, too ;)
14:49 < epaulin> :-)
14:49 < digitarald> my name is already in agavi ... may be i write the ajax action for agavi ;)
14:50 < digitarald> ... *duckandrun*
14:50 < eremit> haha good one ^^ :P
14:52 < eremit> maybe i'm missing something but there is no agavi handler to check if 2 form fields are equal ?
14:53 < digitarald> it is
14:53 < digitarald> i had this right now :D
14:53 < digitarald> password-input
14:53 < digitarald> AgaviEqualValidator
14:53 < digitarald> just give 2 arguments
14:53 < digitarald> and no value parameter
14:53 < eremit> and an error
14:54 < eremit> and at least i get some fancy foreach error
14:54 < digitarald> ah ... uh ... no ;) update agavi ;)
14:54 < digitarald> cant talk with you, outdated agavi user :P
14:54 < eremit> uh?
14:54 < digitarald> do u have the updated validators with <arguments>?
14:55 < eremit> yes a most recent trunk co
14:55 < v-dogg> pre #1187 users are not supported, you have to start using symfony
14:55 < digitarald> :D
14:56 < digitarald> u are evail, v-dogg ... if somebody read the logs in future ... tze ;)
14:56 < digitarald> evil
14:56 < digitarald> eremit: wait, i test this with my form
14:56 < digitarald> when i stepped through the dependencies
14:56 < eremit> haha ...
14:56 < eremit> update to latest and test :P
14:57 < eremit> i gues it wont work either ...
14:57 < digitarald> i see why ;)
14:57 < digitarald> foreach($this->getArguments as $key => $argument)
14:57 < eremit> jepp ...
14:57 < digitarald> thats senseless
14:58 < v-dogg> () missing
14:58 < digitarald> i would contribute a patch to this open source framework ... but ... mmmhh
14:58 < digitarald> ;)
14:58 < digitarald> give a svn access ;)
14:58 < eremit> are svn accounts revoked recently ?
14:59 < Wombert> they are gone
14:59 < v-dogg> the server has moved
14:59 < Wombert> we moved servers
14:59 < eremit> yeah ... i already thought that ...
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15:01 < digitarald> dependency ... there no argument in the xsd ... do i have to add it to the parameters?
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15:01 < Wombert> welcome KarlKoch
15:02 < KarlKoch> hi there..
15:02 < eremit> digitarald, you mean the depends in the validators ?
15:02 < eremit> hi KarlKoch
15:02 < digitarald> hi KarlKoch ... interested in cool php5 stuff ;)
15:02 < KarlKoch> hi .. yes really interested ;)..
15:02 < KarlKoch> can u show me some examples ?
15:02 < digitarald> eremit: yes
15:02 < Wombert> the sample app
15:02 < KarlKoch> the page seems to be under construction ;)..
15:03 < v-dogg> <?php echo 'Hello World'; ?>
15:03 < eremit> digitarald, i have them in the validator line ...
15:03 < KarlKoch> *lol*
15:03 < v-dogg> there, now you can go on and code a framework
15:03 < eremit> ... <validator class=".." name=".." depends=".." provides=".."
15:03 < v-dogg> or a forum
15:03 < digitarald> v-dogg: thats cool ... gimme more examples ;)
15:03 < eremit> v-dogg dont forget to suggest a cms ^^
15:04 < v-dogg> ah, that too
15:04 < digitarald> eremit: thx ... they werent declared in validators.xsd
15:04 < eremit> np
15:04 < Wombert> KarlKoch: the sample app, as I said
15:04 < v-dogg> digitarald: $link = mysql_connect('mysql_host', 'mysql_user', 'mysql_password')
15:04 < Wombert> in svn
15:04 < eremit> yay... 30 validator xml's to go
15:05 < Wombert> need
15:05 < Wombert> coffee
15:05 < KarlKoch> ok -- where can i download the actual release ?
15:05 < digitarald> svn ;)
15:05 < digitarald> checkout via your favorite svn client
15:05 < KarlKoch> mkay..
15:05 < KarlKoch> i'll do
15:06 < digitarald> 5th of november there will be the great relaunch ... with real downloads and all that newbee stuff (documentation and so on)
15:06 < digitarald> right, wombie ;)
15:06 < KarlKoch> sounds nice..
15:07 < digitarald> bot for now take a look at the sample app its really cool stuff
15:07 < digitarald> the code, not the design ;)
15:08 < KarlKoch> yes i'll do ..
15:08 < digitarald> i think agavi will have a really hype if we put ajax in the sample app? or not? ;)
15:08 < eremit> uh ... question is there a mass required form field validator ?
15:08 < eremit> or a nice solution without having to hack about 20 validators into the xml ?
15:08 < digitarald> isset?
15:08 < eremit> not isset^^
15:08 < eremit> isset evals to true on empty input text
15:09 < digitarald> yes ... and that to masses of fields? ;)
15:09 < eremit> yes string with min would work ... but only on one field per validator ...
15:10 < eremit> hmm i guess i gotta hack a RequiredInputValidator with many fields support
15:10 < digitarald> what does this validator check?
15:10 < v-dogg> non-empty values?
15:11 < eremit> yes ... i have in a form about 20 input type="text" fields which are required to have a value ...
15:11 < digitarald> may be its better to update the validators to handle multiple arguments
15:11 < eremit> and currently i have 20 validators each one class="string" ... and min = 1
15:11 < digitarald> isset can handle multiple arguments, but i.e. not the string validator?!
15:12 < digitarald> me too
15:12 < eremit> the problem on the string one are the error messages
15:12 < eremit> i want an error message per field ...
15:12 < eremit> like "Username required!" on username, "Firstname required!" on firstname etc ...
15:13 < eremit> and string cannot handle it because the errors depend of the type of check min/max
15:13 < digitarald> then it should take multiple error messages ... or the RequiredValidator ;)
15:13 < digitarald> NonEmptyValidator?
15:13 < eremit> uh ...
15:13 < digitarald> NotEmpty
15:14 < eremit> i gotta write one ... uhm ... at least for those fields which dont provide dependencies ...
15:14 < eremit> brb ^^
15:30 < eremit> xsd validation of the modules validation xml's is broken :/
15:31 < digitarald> attributes are missing?
15:32 < eremit> no change your <arguments>....</arguments> to <arguments>...</argument> and you get a php error
15:32 < eremit> saying something cannot be called with null
15:45 < digitarald> how does that required="false" validation works ... its only for strict validation, or not?
15:47 < eremit> uh my mass validation idea doesn'T work :/
15:48 < digitarald> why?
15:49 < eremit> i cannot set a dependency between an error and the field ...
15:51 < eremit> uh maybe some advanced hacking solves the problem ..but wombert surely would kill me
16:00 < eremit> hmm i give up ...
16:06 < eremit> ahh ... got it ... silly hacking and will most likely break some things ... but for me it's working
16:11 < digitarald> :D
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16:16 < eremit> digitarald, maybe this is of interest for you: http://phpfi.com/167176
16:16 < eremit> please note the license i used :P
16:18 < shoan> eremit: i think it makes it lgpl incompatible
16:20 < eremit> shoan that's a good point ... maybe i should find another solution .. like dual licensing ...
16:20 < eremit> :P
16:22 < shoan> might be easier to go and bash sf instead :p
16:22 < eremit> they are silly bash resistant i fear :P
16:22 < shoan> :)
16:32 < eremit> shoan what about @license Dual Licensed, Symfony you may not use this, the rest use the LGPL pls. :P
16:33 < shoan> eremit: that doesn't work either cause its no longer lgpl. It becomes more of a EULA.
16:33 < shoan> You really can't prevent them from using it
16:33 < shoan> its not in the spirit of open source :)
16:34 < shoan> but you should explicitly mention that it should carry the credits as well as a copy of the license
16:34 < eremit> that's redudant ... as it's already stated inthe lgpl :P
16:34 < shoan> sf doesn't read the lgpl :p
16:35 < eremit> i dont care if they do or not :P they better should
16:44 < v-dogg> home ->
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16:58 < digitarald> eremit: ok, nice license ;)
16:59 < eremit> ;)
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17:46 < Wombert> the LGPL _does_ indeed prevent them from using it
17:46 < Wombert> at least in theory
17:47 < splatch`> oi! :)
17:48 < eremit> in theory ...
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17:56 < Fastly> any progress with the new website?
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18:02 < Fastly> hey Wombert
18:02 < Fastly> how's the new website coming along?
18:05 < Wombert> still witing for the design
18:05 < Wombert> if ya wanna contribute content or anything, let me know
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18:07 < Wombert> *waiting
18:09 < shoan> Wombert: i thought the design was frozen. what happened to the logo?
18:09 < Wombert> ?
18:09 < Wombert> there is still work to do on the design
18:09 < Wombert> the menu isn't done yet
18:09 < Wombert> and we gotta wait for new logo alternatives
18:09 < Wombert> with a "better" font
18:10 < Wombert> I emailed darek, splatch`'s designer mate
18:10 < splatch`> yes, he's working with logo :)
18:10 < Wombert> great
18:10 < Wombert> I asked him if he could finish everything this weekend
18:11 < Wombert> so we can build the website next week
18:11 < Wombert> anyway, I really gotta run now
18:11 < Wombert> catch you guys later
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18:49 < eremit> umpf ...
18:50 < eremit> how can i map an error to a custom name ?
18:54 < kaos> ?
18:54 < kaos> do what ?
18:54 < eremit> uh how to descripte
18:54 < kaos> i guess
18:54 < kaos> give several validators the same error msg
18:54 < eremit> i had somethink like birthday_Day, birthday_Month, birthday_Year ...
18:54 < eremit> no ...
18:55 < kaos> no O_o
18:55 < kaos> ok :D
18:55 < kaos> then try your luck ;)
18:55 < eremit> and they were connected via an and operator ... putting it's result in birthday ...
18:55 < eremit> so i only had to check if there are errors on birthday ...
18:55 < eremit> but got it ...
18:56 < eremit> <validator class="and"><arguments><argument>birthday</argument><errors>....</errors><subvalidators here... />
18:56 < eremit> uh hope you got it :D
18:57 < kaos> ah
18:57 < kaos> yeah
18:57 < kaos> this was more clear with the old syntax :/
18:57 < eremit> yep ...
18:57 < eremit> and please is there really no way to disable this pluralization ? *begs*
18:58 < kaos> not currently really
18:58 < kaos> can look into it after rc1
18:58 < eremit> tyvm :) ... but since i write my xml markups with a normal texteditor ... it's somewhat silly to have dozens of tabs *Gg*
18:58 < kaos> yeah
18:59 < kaos> that nested <parameters> stuff
18:59 < kaos> is quite ugly
18:59 < kaos> i know :s
18:59 < eremit> i dont get the reason why it's there ...
18:59 < eremit> cant you simply nest e.g. argument to validator ... ?
18:59 < kaos> the nested parameters stuff works in all configs
19:00 < kaos> hmm
19:00 < kaos> argument to validator ... hmm
19:00 < eremit> was only an example ...
19:00 < kaos> yah
19:01 < kaos> well, i am not happy at all with the validation config ... but i can't find anything really better too ^^
19:01 < eremit> but all these pluralizations make it nearly impossible for a normal minded person to read the config fluent ...
19:02 < eremit> i start to like the new syntax ... afaik it's in most cases clearer ...
19:02 < kaos> yeah, but changing that would mean that you would have to internally convert every node into an array when it occures multiple times in the same level
19:02 < kaos> which would make checking the data even harder
19:02 < kaos> (or simply switch all nodes to be array, but thats rather senseless too)
19:03 < kaos> it is actually there for a reason
19:03 < eremit> i would switch everything to an array ... like node['childs'][tagname] = array()
19:03 < eremit> and simply push elements in the array
19:04 < kaos> this would work yes, but one would need to change every config handler to reflect that change
19:04 < eremit> sure this wouldn't be a glorious one liner :P
19:05 < kaos> well, i think in most cases it would just be changing from $configs->childNode to $config->childNode[0]
19:05 < kaos> and loop the node itself instead of the parent
19:06 < kaos> but thats not as important as some other stuff on my list, so this has to wait after the rc
19:06 < eremit> i must admit i haven't looked that deep into the code ...
19:06 < eremit> i'm currently converting two dozen of my custom validators ...
19:06 < eremit> :)
19:07 < kaos> well, i found the validator converting rather simple ;)
19:07 < eremit> if they aren't that complex yes ...
19:07 < eremit> and converting the xml's is a pain too :P
19:07 < kaos> its just tedious work
19:08 < eremit> one of my custom validator had about 20 params and 5 input vars being processed in relation to each other ...
19:08 < eremit> that one was a pain ... :P
19:08 < kaos> but probably still more fun the parsing the Olson timezone data (which is btw the same data *nix uses ... just that they already have a tool for converting it into binary format, but i need something similar to ICU ... arghs :s)
19:09 < kaos> outch ^^
19:09 < eremit> yes probably more fun ...
19:09 < eremit> :) ah, as i got you ... is there any progress regarding testing actions and views ?
19:09 < eremit> wombert told me you had some ideas regarding this ...
19:09 < kaos> i did ? O_o
19:10 < kaos> well, we wanted to change the entire testing system anyways
19:10 < kaos> and probably integrate that web testthing (of which i always forget the name)
19:10 < eremit> if not i will take a deep look, coz currently it's quite mezzy here without tests and several hundreds of upcoming changes to our system :D
19:11 < kaos> well, the test stuff is on the list for 1.0
19:11 < eremit> uh web testing sounds like testing actions + views at the same time Oo
19:11 < kaos> we really need a release soon
19:11 < eremit> sure we do ^^ ...
19:11 < eremit> that's why we currently pay some students to test our software the traditional way :P
19:12 < kaos> well, i was thinking about building some stuff with the mock objects from phpunit 3
19:12 < kaos> :D
19:12 < kaos> but that needs to be well thought out etc
19:12 < kaos> but we wanted to have the tests work a little different anyways
19:13 < kaos> because its quite a pita currently with all tests running with the same context etc
19:13 < eremit> yeah ... i thought about implementing a test controller which can be controlled via testcases and dispatches an action ...
19:13 < eremit> afterwards i would only need to test the state of the action ... in most cases the view is of no interest for me :D
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19:14 < kaos> well, the view shouldn't do anything which needs to be tested anyways ;)
19:15 < eremit> most likely not ...
19:15 < eremit> so my idea would be the rails way ... call the action with a predefined set of information and observe the state of the action afterwards ...
19:16 < kaos> well, using mock objects
19:17 < kaos> you could actually test db calls made
19:17 < kaos> if using context->getDatabase
19:18 < eremit> wtf an action doing db calls ?
19:20 < kaos> indirectly ;)
19:20 < kaos> so you would probably just test if it calls the right methods in your orm/whatever
19:21 < eremit> yea, but i would do it by replacing the original model with some kind of test model ...
19:28 < kaos> thats exactly what mock objects do ;)
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23:32 < splatch`> getDatabaseManager()->getDatabase('name');
23:32 < splatch`> kaos: PHP Unit 3 rox ;]
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23:33 < splatch`> in work i using the JMock and JUnit - they're so sux.. PHP Unit 3 is very good "port" with better features
23:33 < splatch`> for example JMock can't create mock from interface
23:33 < splatch`> back, from an class
23:33 < splatch`> only interfaces
23:34 < splatch`> in JUnit 4 expected exception = annotation
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03:31 < Wombert> http://kazek.pl/_logo2.png
03:32 < impl> Wow, that's awesome.
03:32 < impl> I love them
03:32 < Wombert> except for the font, I'd say, but he said he'll try different ones
03:33 < impl> I rather like the font in the third one over
03:33 < Wombert> the TYPO3 logo fon't isn't too bad
03:33 < Wombert> or http://framework.zend.com
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09:00 < v-dogg> huomenta
09:01 < shoan> morning
09:04 < v-dogg> what's going down in India
09:13 < shoan> diwali and ramzan just went down
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09:42 < digitarald> Morning fellows, anybody here?
09:42 < splatch`> oi!
09:42 < splatch`> digitarald: only bots :)
09:43 < digitarald> ;)
09:43 < digitarald> morning splatch`: do u know an open-source forge script. like sourceforge, but not so big
09:44 < splatch`> e-collab? :)
09:46 < digitarald> uh ... this is not open-source? or not?
09:47 < v-dogg> hmm...
09:48 < v-dogg> what happened to propel loading?
09:48 < digitarald> propel loading ... why? did not use it because i have 1.2
09:48 < splatch`> digitarald: http://gforge.org/ ?
09:49 < splatch`> v-dogg: tigris.org are down
09:50 < v-dogg> splatch`: so?
09:50 < splatch`> forge-scirpt :)
09:50 < v-dogg> hmm... #1172 broke my database class
09:51 < v-dogg> bugger...
09:51 < splatch`> v-dogg: mamboforge.net was based on gforge
09:51 < v-dogg> splatch`: I wasn't the one asking about those :)
09:52 < digitarald> :D
09:52 < digitarald> thx splatch`
09:52 < splatch`> v-dogg: sorry :)
09:52 < digitarald> i think gforge is a nice solution
09:52 < splatch`> i don't know... maybe with nice (agavi) skin will be better?
09:52 < splatch`> :]
09:53 < digitarald> i know ;) its for another project ;)
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11:04 < Wombert> hi guys
11:04 < v-dogg> Wombert: zomg h3lp plz lol lol
11:04 < Wombert> shoan: thanks for the mail
11:04 < horros> hai
11:04 < Wombert> v-dogg: cheers
11:04 < Wombert> http://www.fontshop.com/fontfeed/archives/web-20-logos.cfm
11:04 < v-dogg> hi
11:04 < Wombert> you have to go to this URL twice
11:04 < Wombert> i.e. enter it, then you get redirected, then enter it again in the same window
11:05 < Wombert> do you guys like any of these fonts
11:05 < Wombert> I'm thinking Bell Gothic Black would be pretty nice, costs only 21 dollars
11:05 < horros> Wombert: what is this font for?
11:06 < shoan> Wombert: you are welcome :)
11:06 < Wombert> we need a font for the logo
11:06 < shoan> i was hoping it would help for the font in the logo
11:06 < Wombert> horros: http://kazek.pl/_logo2.png
11:07 < horros> ooh
11:07 < horros> pretty :)
11:07 < eremit> why using a comercial font ?
11:07 < eremit> morning all
11:07 < eremit> :D
11:07 < v-dogg> Wombert: I'm having problems with my propel db implementation again
11:07 < KarlKoch> mornin
11:07 < Wombert> eremit: they are, usually, nicer
11:07 < Wombert> v-dogg: eww
11:07 < KarlKoch> looks like a lamp ;)
11:07 < KarlKoch> ;)
11:08 < Wombert> v-dogg: shoot
11:09 < horros> hah
11:09 < horros> Zwei Boxkmpfer jagen Eva durch
11:09 < horros> I somehow like FF Cocon Bold
11:11 < Wombert> hmmm 40 bucks
11:11 < Wombert> yeah
11:11 < Wombert> don't like it tho :S
11:12 < Wombert> the technorati one is nice
11:12 < Wombert> FF Meta Bold
11:12 < horros> yeah
11:12 < shoan> i like the news gator one
11:12 < Wombert> they're all so rounded :\
11:12 < Wombert> Frutiger Bold is <3333
11:13 < horros> Wombert: base 9
11:13 < Wombert> DropSend for example uses it
11:13 < horros> at least that's not "round" :)
11:13 < Wombert> but ugly xD
11:13 < horros> agreed :)
11:13 < Wombert> what about frutiger?
11:13 < Wombert> rather cheap
11:14 < Wombert> 30 dollars, I'll donate that ;)
11:14 < horros> that doesn't really tickle my fancy, tbh :I
11:14 < Wombert> no problem
11:14 < Wombert> we're here to discuss
11:14 < Wombert> I gotta run now
11:14 < Wombert> but
11:14 < Wombert> eremit will upload a list of free fonts for me later
11:14 < Wombert> and
11:14 < horros> I'll take a donation of 3845873 more hours per day
11:14 < horros> kthx
11:15 < Wombert> I'll do some example mockups with various fonts
11:15 < horros> I've been so busy lately it's not even remotely funny :(
11:15 < Wombert> so we can decide easier
11:15 < Wombert> :S
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11:45 < shoan> how do I pass module and action to the console controller?
12:08 < v-dogg> Wombert: (a) release Teh Source of the Bot :)
12:08 < v-dogg> (b) do you have time to help me with this db issue
12:10 < horros> v-dogg: what issue?
12:11 < v-dogg> after updating agavi, my search_path is not set
12:12 < v-dogg> it should be set in MyDb extends PropelDb ::connect
13:35 < Wombert> re
13:35 < Wombert> search path?
13:35 < Wombert> oO
13:36 < v-dogg> yes, search_path :)
13:36 < v-dogg> something that crappy mysql doesn't have
13:36 < v-dogg> (because it doesn't have schemas)
13:37 * Wombert scratches head
13:38 < v-dogg> but the problem is solved for now
13:38 < v-dogg> with a nasty hack, but anyways
13:40 < v-dogg> I need to figure out what's going on with the dbs
13:41 < v-dogg> I think agavi now has two db connections when it only should use one
13:41 < v-dogg> using*
13:44 < Wombert> v-dogg: http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/1172
13:44 < v-dogg> yes, noticed that
13:44 < Wombert> I'm wondering what broke the search_path stuff!?
13:45 < v-dogg> me too :)
13:45 < v-dogg> I'll update to propel1.3 shortly
13:45 < Wombert> nah
13:45 < Wombert> not necessary
13:46 < Wombert> it's also not 100% stable yet I guess
13:46 < v-dogg> no, not because of this
13:46 < v-dogg> ok
13:46 < Wombert> I wouldn't really recommend using 1.3 yet
13:46 < v-dogg> I was going to create a branch for it
13:46 < Wombert> there's been some talk about breaking BC here and there on the dev list IIRC
13:46 < v-dogg> because I can't break things now
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13:59 < Wombert> [12:41] v-dogg: I think agavi now has two db connections when it only should use one
14:00 < Wombert> do you use a creole connection via agavi?
14:00 < v-dogg> yes
14:02 < Wombert> and use_autoload is on
14:02 < v-dogg> yes
14:03 < v-dogg> I also use AgaviCreoleSessionStorage
14:03 < Wombert> you use getConnection, right?
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14:04 < v-dogg> yes
14:04 < v-dogg> or wait, where?
14:07 < Wombert> hmh
14:09 < Wombert> hmmmmmh
14:09 < horros> stupid ford dealers
14:09 < horros> #(#%
14:09 < Wombert> what makes you think there's more than one connection?
14:09 < Wombert> horros: why
14:09 < Wombert> did you sell the 306?
14:10 < horros> Wombert: they seem to have big problems understanding that I need two exhaust valves for a 2001 focus ST170.
14:10 < horros> Wombert: no, I didn't, I'm hunting for these for a friend of mine.
14:10 < Wombert> oh
14:10 < Wombert> too bad
14:10 < horros> agreed.
14:11 < Wombert> shall I write to my dealer and ask him what they cost?
14:12 < horros> the german ones are apparently even worse, they refuse to talk to you without the VIN :)
14:12 < Wombert> uuuh?
14:13 < Wombert> v-dogg: how does this search path stuff work?
14:14 < horros> Wombert: said friend of mine had a german friend of his ask his ford dealer, they didn't tell him ANYTHING without the VIN
14:14 < horros> which I find rather odd
14:14 < horros> given the economic state ford is in, you'd think they'd want to sell anything to anyone :D
14:15 < Wombert> actually
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14:15 < Wombert> Ford Germany is the division with the highest proft margins ;)
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14:15 < Wombert> (AFAIK)
14:15 < horros> sigh
14:15 < horros> now the damn parts dealer doesn't answer the phone
14:15 < horros> :(
14:16 < Wombert> and given how they sell decent (but boring) cars here in yurop and piles of crap over in the states
14:16 < Wombert> ford europe probably couldn't care less
14:16 < Wombert> should I try to call my dealer?
14:16 < horros> please do
14:16 < Wombert> k
14:16 < horros> focus ST170, 2001. two exhaust valves.
14:16 < Wombert> exhaust valves, right?
14:16 < horros> aye.
14:16 < Wombert> do you have a part number or anything
14:16 < Wombert> what does an exhaust valve do anyway
14:16 < Wombert> is that for regulating backpressure
14:17 < horros> there's only one version of the ST170, so don't let them tell you the parts for the normal 2-litre zetec engine :)
14:17 < horros> Wombert: well, no.
14:17 < horros> Wombert: the engine has 16 valves, right?
14:17 < Wombert> yes
14:17 < horros> 8 are inlet valves, 8 are outlet/exhaust valves
14:17 < Wombert> ah
14:17 < Wombert> outlet valves
14:17 < Wombert> okay
14:17 < Wombert> and you need two of em
14:17 < horros> yeah
14:17 < Wombert> roger
14:18 < horros> if they ask for the VIN, just tell them it's a rally car project and it doesn't have a VIN
14:18 < Wombert> I'll tell them to go fuck themselves because it's none of their business if you ask me
14:18 < horros> hehe, this is also true :)
14:19 < Wombert> he's looking for the price
14:19 < Wombert> "200 horsepower, right?"
14:19 < Wombert> omg
14:19 < Wombert> ...
14:19 < horros> no, 170
14:19 < horros> hence, ST170 :)
14:19 < Wombert> yes but he asked that
14:19 < horros> that's exactly what they asked me too
14:19 < horros> haha
14:20 < Wombert> there's two versions
14:20 < Wombert> he says
14:20 < horros> no, there aren't
14:20 < Wombert> okay
14:20 < horros> there is only one version of the ST170
14:20 < Wombert> ah he found em I thin
14:20 < Wombert> k
14:20 < horros> which is 170bhp
14:20 < horros> he's confusing it with the normal ST which has a 5 cylinder 2.something engine
14:21 < horros> 5 cyl. 225bhp 2.5 liter, to be specific.
14:21 < Wombert> 28 euros per piece
14:21 < horros> but that is not what we want, we want the 2l 170bhp ST170 :)
14:21 < Wombert> 1143057 is the order no
14:21 < horros> ok, thanks a billion :)
14:21 < Wombert> I can order them for you
14:22 < Wombert> they'd be here tomorrow if I order before 5pm
14:22 < horros> they're not for me, they're for a brit friend of mine :I
14:22 < Wombert> I could ship them to britain, of course ;)
14:22 < horros> there is not a single exhaust valve in the whole of UK, apparently
14:22 < horros> hmm, yeah
14:22 < Wombert> ("for you" = "for that guy")
14:23 < horros> yes
14:23 < Wombert> they're not large or heavy, are they, so shipping should be cheap
14:23 < horros> also, stu is a top bloke and I'd trust him with my firstborn baby :)
14:23 < horros> they should be about 300 grams
14:23 < horros> and size maybe 120x70x35mm
14:23 < horros> (both of them)
14:25 < Wombert> let me look up the shipping costs for that
14:25 < Wombert> btw any UK dealer should be able to order from the Cologne factory
14:25 < Wombert> which is what my dealer would d
14:25 < Wombert> do
14:27 < horros> he said he'd gone through every single dealer in the UK, and not a single valve anywhere in sight
14:27 < horros> and shipping 2-3 days from canada or us would cost about 50 :)
14:29 < horros> cig brb
14:32 < Wombert> from what I can tell, shipping is EUR 4.50
14:32 < horros> Wombert: how many days?
14:32 < Wombert> don't know
14:33 < horros> Wombert: btw, his project is pretty interesting; he's putting the head of a ST170 onto some engine or the other, and is putting the enigne into a fiesta :D
14:33 < horros> ~200bhp + nitro :D
14:33 < Wombert> oO
14:33 < Wombert> into a fiesta?
14:33 < horros> aye :)
14:33 < Wombert> so basically
14:33 < Wombert> he ruins the engine
14:33 < Wombert> :D
14:34 < horros> not really :)
14:34 < horros> it's a race car :)
14:34 < horros> that thing is going to positively *FLY* :)
14:34 < Wombert> it will go to the UK by air I believe
14:34 < horros> so it should be like 2-or-so days
14:34 < Wombert> I could also send a packet w/ priority air mail
14:35 < Wombert> but that would be ~15 euros
14:35 < horros> that's fine
14:35 < Wombert> :)
14:35 < Wombert> ask him
14:35 < horros> I found priority package here, 2-3 days, 10.50e
14:35 < Wombert> www.deutschepost.de
14:35 < horros> he gave green lights to that :)
14:35 < horros> he said he needs the valves yesterday :)
14:35 < Wombert> but it's only in german I think
14:36 * horros finds portokalukator
14:36 < Wombert> http://www.deutschepost.de/dpag/mapp?xmlFile=1004909
14:37 < horros> yeah, that's where I was :)
14:37 < Wombert> http://www.deutschepost.de/dpag?skin=hi&check=yes&lang=de_DE&xmlFile=900424
14:37 < Wombert> "Maxibrief International"
14:37 < Wombert> -> 500g max
14:37 < Wombert> -> europe
14:37 < Wombert> -> 4,50
14:38 < horros> 14:30 <@horros> 28e/piece, shipping with priority air mail ~15e
14:38 < horros> 14:30 <@stu> definately st170 exhaust valves yeah?
14:38 < horros> 14:30 <@stu> hi drollie
14:38 < horros> 14:31 <@stu> and genuine ford..
14:38 < horros> 14:31 <@horros> yes
14:38 < horros> 14:31 <@stu> yes that would be excellent
14:39 < Wombert> http://www.deutschepost.de/dpag?tab=1&skin=hi&check=yes&lang=de_DE&xmlFile=842
14:39 < horros> 14:32 <@stu> how can i pay
14:39 < Wombert> I could add that to the shipping
14:39 < Wombert> it's an express thingie
14:39 < horros> like "pay when you go get it"?
14:40 < Wombert> that would be 10 euros then if I ship it in an envelope
14:40 < Wombert> yeah you say you trust him
14:40 < Wombert> ask him if he can transfer the money to my bank account then
14:40 < Wombert> shouldn't cost him extra with an IBAN and a SWIFT code
14:42 < horros> Wombert: did you order them already?
14:43 < horros> 14:36 <stu> i'm going to call my bank quickly and check
14:44 < Wombert> hang on a second
14:44 < horros> Wombert: he said he actually needs only one of them
14:44 < Wombert> oh
14:44 < Wombert> good
14:44 < Wombert> and
14:45 < Wombert> I think he could send me money via paypal
14:45 < horros> he's got paypal, yeah
14:45 < horros> 14:38 <stu> ha
14:45 < horros> 14:39 <stu> 14 charge
14:45 < horros> 14:39 <stu> fuck that
14:45 < Wombert> haha
14:45 < horros> jeez the banks in UK are ripping you off
14:45 < horros> :D
14:46 < horros> 14:40 <stu> ok one valve
14:46 < Wombert> he won't need to pay customs will he?
14:46 < horros> 14:40 <stu> genuine ford st170 exhaust valve
14:46 < horros> 14:40 <stu> 28 euro + 15e shipping + drink
14:46 < horros> 14:40 <stu> paid via paypal
14:46 < horros> 14:40 <stu> sound good?
14:47 < Wombert> yes
14:47 < Wombert> I'll order it now
14:47 < horros> sec
14:47 < v-dogg> how do you buy drinks via pay pal?-)
14:47 < horros> 14:40 <stu> not if he marks it as a 10e gift :O)
14:47 < horros> hehe
14:47 < Wombert> will do
14:47 < Wombert> but it's EU, right?
14:47 < Wombert> shouldn't matter then anyway
14:48 < Wombert> oh wait ze brits are sitting on their isle saying "fuck teh krauts and frogs we'll charge money for the wienerschnitzels and the fromage"
14:48 < horros> ahahaha
14:49 < horros> Wombert: gimme your paypal address and he'll pay immediately
14:49 < Wombert> ordered
14:49 < horros> only one, yes?
14:49 < Wombert> yes
14:49 < Wombert> they said it'll be there tomorrow noon
14:49 < Wombert> I'll be at the Systems fair tomorrow BUT
14:50 < Wombert> I'll go earlier and leave at 3p or so
14:50 < Wombert> and drive by the dealer after that
14:50 < Wombert> and then ship it
14:50 < horros> good stuff
14:50 < Wombert> I hope they'll get it in time
14:50 < Wombert> he didn't even need my name or anything xD
14:50 < horros> Wombert: paypal address?
14:50 * Wombert scratches head
14:50 < Wombert> my email address is dzuelke@gmail.com
14:50 < horros> 14:43 <stu> get his paypal addy before my session times out :)
14:50 < horros> :D
14:50 < Wombert> I think I could create a payment request for him
14:51 < Wombert> can he just send me money like that with paypal?
14:51 < horros> fuck if I know
14:51 < Wombert> haha
14:51 < horros> I've never used paypal :)
14:51 * Wombert hugs horros
14:51 < Wombert> ah yeah it's possible
14:51 < Wombert> cool
14:51 < horros> Wombert: so your paypal address is dzuelke@gmail.com?
14:52 < Wombert> 15 euros will be more than enough for shipping
14:52 < Wombert> yes
14:52 < horros> 14:45 <stu> the money is in his paypal account
14:52 < horros> 14:45 <stu> with a little on top
14:52 < Wombert> oO the money already arrived
14:52 < Wombert> a little?
14:52 < Wombert> oO
14:52 < Wombert> say thanks to him and
14:52 < Wombert> I'll see if I can add insured shipping
14:52 < Wombert> I'll send it via air mail
14:52 < Wombert> give me his email address please
14:53 < horros> 14:46 <stu> no the thanks are all his!
14:53 < Wombert> ah I have it
14:53 < horros> 14:46 <stu> just send it the fastest way within budget :D
14:53 < Wombert> will do
14:53 < horros> 14:47 <stu> speed > insurance
14:53 < horros> :D
14:53 < eremit> bad idea with "deutsche post" :P
14:54 < Wombert> I'll send via DHL ;)
14:54 < eremit> another bad idea :P make a good insurance on it ...
14:55 < eremit> i sent a contract via express delivery with dhl some days ago ... i isn't there yet :(
14:55 < Wombert> I never had trouble with them
14:55 < Wombert> oO wtf
14:55 < eremit> they first said, wrong adress ...
14:55 < Wombert> well it can't be worse than the US Postal Service can it
14:55 < horros> hardly :)
14:55 < eremit> then suddently it disapeared in their system ... and now it's lost :P
14:55 < eremit> and the contract was worth about 15k euro for me :/
14:56 < horros> ouch
14:56 < horros> send it again?-)
14:56 < v-dogg> oooooooh fuck
14:57 < v-dogg> argh..
14:57 < eremit> so i had to drove from here to nrnberg by car, signed the contract and drove back ... about 1600km only for a contract :P
14:57 < horros> jeez
14:58 < Wombert> "here" is some weird place in Prussia, right?
14:58 < Wombert> no wonder it didn't arrive in nuremberg
14:58 < eremit> pff :P
14:58 < Wombert> border controls etc xD
14:58 < eremit> most likely here is nearer to v-dogg than to you :P
14:59 < horros> hmm
14:59 < horros> this is strange
14:59 < eremit> border controls ? ... Oo ... a that's why bavaria is called free state :P
14:59 < eremit> they dont wanna be part of germany
14:59 < horros> a query with A < X AND (B > X OR B IS NULL) isn't using indexes :I
15:00 < Wombert> it is not?
15:00 < Wombert> mm
15:00 < horros> it's friggen 300 000 rows, and it decides a sequental scan is faster :I
15:00 < Wombert> maybe it is!
15:00 < horros> it isn't
15:00 < horros> I got it to use the index a few times
15:04 < horros> stupid friggen...
15:04 < horros> grumble
15:04 < eremit> *cry* somebody's going to borrow me some bandwith? uploading all the previews of the fonts is taking too long :(
15:05 < horros> using indexes: Total runtime: 477.472 ms when index on (a,b), Total runtime: 498.131 ms when a and b are separately indexed
15:05 < horros> sequental scan: Total runtime: 1212.910 ms
15:05 < horros> )#(%)(#
15:05 < Wombert> how exactly do you "make it use indices"
15:05 < Wombert> what does EXPLAIN sy
15:05 < Wombert> say
15:05 < horros> explain says it's using a sequental scan.
15:06 < horros> Seq Scan on medication_course (cost=0.00..9654.90 rows=116225 width=18) (actual time=0.055..1031.820 rows=110016 loops=1)
15:06 < horros> Filter: ((start_date < now()) AND ((end_date > now()) OR (end_date IS NULL)))
15:06 < horros> Total runtime: 1212.910 ms
15:06 < shoan> Wombert: need help
15:06 < Wombert> shoan: sure
15:06 < shoan> how do I pass module and action to the console controller?
15:07 < Wombert> wtf... it takes SEVEN business days to transfer money from paypal to my bank account? are they nuts?
15:07 < Wombert> shoan: errr
15:07 < Wombert> ah
15:07 < Wombert> dispatch()
15:07 < shoan> btw using 0.10.2
15:08 < Wombert> oh
15:08 < Wombert> errr
15:08 < Wombert> ah you gotta set constants IIRC
15:08 < Wombert> let me have a look
15:08 < shoan> ok
15:09 < KarlKoch> hi there.. i want to test the sample app.. do i need to set up an database for this ?
15:09 < Wombert> no
15:10 < KarlKoch> and how can i login to the app?
15:10 < Wombert> checkout SVN, call pub/ in the browser, understand the error message, fix it, reload, next error message, fix that, and b000m it works
15:10 < Wombert> "Chuck Norris"
15:10 < Wombert> "kick"
15:10 < Wombert> shoan: http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/0.10.2a/src/controller/ConsoleController.class.php#L61
15:11 < KarlKoch> is it normal that all action last some time ? - nearly 5-10 seconds..
15:12 < Wombert> yeah, debug mode
15:12 < Wombert> it re-compiles the LDML data on each request
15:12 < KarlKoch> a okay..
15:12 < Wombert> i18n is not _too_ fast (but not really slow either)
15:13 < KarlKoch> is there a console or sth like this to few debug messages ?
15:13 < Wombert> 1.0 will also see performance improvements over 0.11, but 0.11 isn't slow by any means
15:13 < Wombert> no, but I wanted to write a web debug console filter thing for 1.0
15:13 < KarlKoch> okay..
15:13 < Wombert> first things first ;)
15:14 < Wombert> http://secunia.com/advisories/22542
15:14 < Wombert> ...
15:20 < v-dogg> KarlKoch: I use logging for debugging
15:20 < KarlKoch> ok
15:20 < v-dogg> with rotating file appender
15:21 < KarlKoch> another, maybe stupid question, how can i read the docbook files with Formatting under windows ?
15:21 < Wombert> btw
15:21 < v-dogg> and a helper method that wraps my debug string into a log message with a proper level
15:21 < Wombert> I'll drop CachingExecutionFilter
15:21 < v-dogg> noooooooo
15:21 < Wombert> and
15:21 < Wombert> make it ExecutionFilter
15:21 < Wombert> with optional caching you can enable
15:21 < v-dogg> yyyyyeeees
15:21 < Wombert> can
15:21 < v-dogg> can can
15:21 < Wombert> can't be arsed to maintain that code twice
15:21 < Wombert> nightmarish
15:21 < Wombert> KarlKoch: www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor
15:21 < Wombert> for example
15:22 < KarlKoch> ok thx.. i'll try
15:22 < Wombert> once the website is out we'll have nightly html snapshots
15:22 < v-dogg> when when when
15:22 < v-dogg> 5th nov?
15:22 < KarlKoch> :) ..
15:23 < v-dogg> (too much coffee, sorry :)
15:24 < Wombert> yay
15:25 < Wombert> our street now has fibre optic cables
15:25 < Wombert> that means...
15:25 < Wombert> what do you guys guess, eh?
15:25 < Wombert> how many MBits is that gonna be
15:25 < Wombert> they call it VDSL
15:25 < KarlKoch> not bad..
15:25 < Wombert> you'll laugh at the max bandwidth
15:25 < Wombert> KarlKoch: pssst you know it
15:25 < Wombert> don't tell
15:25 < Wombert> let's hear the finns
15:25 < v-dogg> 10 mbs
15:25 < Wombert> and the others
15:25 < KarlKoch> hehe
15:26 < Wombert> nnnnah you can get that with DSL
15:26 < Wombert> DSL is 16mbits
15:26 < Wombert> max
15:26 < Wombert> so what do you guess
15:26 < v-dogg> but not both ways
15:26 < Wombert> true
15:26 < Wombert> well
15:26 < Wombert> actually
15:27 < Wombert> 6mbits is what you get symmetrically here IIRC
15:27 < Wombert> anyway
15:27 < Wombert> 50MBit/s max!?
15:27 < Wombert> wtf
15:28 < Wombert> http://gigaom.com/2006/10/16/gigabit-dsl-yes-it-will-happen/
15:29 < horros> yeah, VDSL has a theoretical max speed of a bit over 50 mbps
15:29 < Wombert> the thing is
15:29 < Wombert> they're digging holes into EVERY street in EVERY large city in germany
15:29 < Wombert> to put in their fibre lines
15:29 < Wombert> for 50 mbits?
15:29 < Wombert> come ooon
15:30 < horros> well, 50mbps * a million or fifteen...
15:31 < horros> what would you have them do? renovate all the houses and pull the fiber optic to your apartment?-)
15:31 < horros> need new cabling in the house == expensive :)
15:31 < Wombert> the thing is
15:31 < v-dogg> we got a fibre line installed to our office
15:31 < Wombert> I don't quite understand how
15:31 < Wombert> they ever want to make money of this
15:32 < v-dogg> it already came to the house, now it comes all the way
15:32 < Wombert> it's also for this triple play shit where you'd have phone and TV over the same lione
15:32 < horros> I bet parts of it is government funded :)
15:32 < horros> spekaing of which, I need to call my ISP
15:32 < horros> I'm supposed to pay bills once a month
15:33 < horros> I got one that had the date when I must pay 09.10
15:33 < horros> then I got anotherone with the "must pay" date 19.10
15:33 < horros> :I
15:33 < horros> let the yelling commence!
15:33 * Wombert yells
15:34 < Wombert> horros: actually, no, it's not government funded
15:34 < Wombert> the opposite!
15:34 < Wombert> the competitors want the right to use the lines, too
15:34 < Wombert> pretty weird
15:34 < horros> ze germans...
15:34 < Wombert> yes
15:34 * horros shrugs
15:34 < horros> :)
15:34 < horros> I just wish I had better upstream
15:34 < horros> :(
15:35 < horros> stupid ADSL and it's 1mbit upstream :(
15:35 < horros> hmm
15:35 < Wombert> I have 640kbits
15:36 < horros> I needz to shut down computer and remove cd-rom
15:36 < horros> also, I think I'm going home too.
15:36 < v-dogg> btw Wombert, what's the average price of an average home adsl there? (say 1/512)
15:37 < v-dogg> or 512/512
15:37 < Wombert> you don't get such bandwidths
15:37 < v-dogg> woot
15:38 < horros> I pay 42e (more or less, can't remember) per month for 8/1
15:38 < Wombert> the smallest bandwidth is 2mbits down
15:38 < Wombert> with 192kbit up for example
15:38 < v-dogg> ok
15:38 < Wombert> there's a special offer right now
15:38 < Wombert> ISDN line
15:38 < Wombert> DSL line (2mbits / 384kbits)
15:38 < Wombert> + DSL flatrate
15:39 < Wombert> + phone flatrate
15:39 < Wombert> 44.85 EUR
15:39 < horros> I'm off
15:39 < horros> see you tomorrow
15:39 < Wombert> bye
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15:40 < Wombert> 1^6mbits would be 52,85 EUR
15:41 < Wombert> 16
15:41 < Wombert> always includes a wifi router
15:43 < v-dogg> they've started to offer wifi routers here too
15:43 < v-dogg> a zillion open and unsecured wlans in town :)
15:43 < Wombert> :D yeah
15:45 < KarlKoch> @wombert.. why don't u use cable - 10 MBits / 420 kBits - 29,90 € + 9,90 € Cable TV Fee.. (Kabelcom/ Kabel Deutschland)
15:45 < Wombert> <- Kabel Medien Service
15:45 < Wombert> you don't even get proper digital cable from them
15:46 < Wombert> from what I know
15:46 < Wombert> and since the TV signal collapses about 10 times an hour...
15:46 < Wombert> I don't even wanna know what the internet connection would be like
15:46 < KarlKoch> hmm - my connection @home is okay..
15:46 < KarlKoch> no brakes. everything works fine..
15:47 < v-dogg> how do you stop it if it ain't got no brakes?!
15:47 < v-dogg> ;p
15:47 < Wombert> haha
15:47 < Wombert> xD
15:47 < KarlKoch> *lol*
15:49 < eremit> wombert, a friend of mine has the cable connection too, and hasnt any problems ...
15:49 < Wombert> as I said
15:50 < Wombert> I'm not a direct Kabel Deutschland customer
15:52 < KarlKoch> ok - than it could be a little difficult..
15:53 < KarlKoch> hmm - is it better to develop with mvc structure ? - for me (as a mvc newbie) it looks more complex
15:54 < v-dogg> it is
15:54 < Wombert> see sample app
15:54 < Wombert> which has an XMLRPC interface
15:54 < Wombert> that's where MVC pays of
15:54 < v-dogg> no matter what situation you are in
15:54 < KarlKoch> hmm - yes i see - i also understand it..
15:54 < Wombert> I guess it's time to show off teh bot xD
15:55 < Wombert> ah
15:55 < Wombert> v-dogg
15:55 < Wombert> any news on the propel thing
15:55 < KarlKoch> i'll need a good introduction in all the mvc stuff.. do u know a goof one?
15:55 < KarlKoch> good one..
15:55 < Wombert> no need for an intro
15:55 < Wombert> action does the logic
15:55 < Wombert> view does the presentation
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15:55 < Wombert> :)
15:55 < KarlKoch> okay -
15:56 < v-dogg> heh
15:56 < v-dogg> I have a brilliant book about enterprise design patterns
15:57 < Wombert> see that bot, KarlKoch?
15:57 < v-dogg> hmm... can't remember the name of the book
15:57 < KarlKoch> i see. .
15:57 < Wombert> he's written in agavi
15:57 < Wombert> !seen horros
15:57 < AgaviBot> Wombert: horros was last seen on Thu Oct 12 19:04:56 2006 saying "level 4 :)" (joined Thu Oct 12 14:53:37 2006, left Thu Oct 12 23:55:37 2006)
15:57 < Wombert> !info
15:57 < AgaviBot> Wombert: I'm AgaviBot version 0.3, powered by Agavi :) My IRC Bot components and the Web Interface to the Logs share quite some code, thanks to Agavi's flexibility and clean structure!
15:57 < KarlKoch> okay..
15:57 < Wombert> so the LastSeenAction
15:57 < v-dogg> !hug
15:57 < KarlKoch> not bad..
15:57 < v-dogg> hey! I deserve one!
15:57 < Wombert> handles a "last seen" request for a user name
15:58 < Wombert> and the view
15:58 < Wombert> handles the specific output
15:58 < Wombert> for the web site
15:58 < KarlKoch> i understand..
15:58 < Wombert> or the IRC part
15:58 < Wombert> that's what _proper_ MVC gives you
15:58 < Wombert> symfony, for example doesn't have that
15:58 < Wombert> you set cookies in the action there etc
15:58 < Wombert> -> bad
15:59 < Wombert> plus they have stuff that depends on GET and POST etc etc
15:59 < KarlKoch> okay... i have our application in mind and think of building them up using a framework ..
15:59 < v-dogg> KarlKoch: this all applies to Ajax, XML-RPC, SOAP, PDF whatever-ouput
15:59 < Wombert> hey it's not checking the bloody feeds :( wtf :S
15:59 < v-dogg> one action - multiple presentations
15:59 < Wombert> anyway, I gotta add a feature there
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16:00 < v-dogg> symfony has taken a path that means they will never be able to separate business logic and presentation
16:01 < KarlKoch> ok..
16:01 < KarlKoch> and what about the models ? how do i use them ?
16:02 < KarlKoch> it looks like a data store ( in case of the samplepricefindermodel)
16:02 < v-dogg> that varies a little
16:03 < v-dogg> some use them as data models and manipulate the data in actions
16:03 < v-dogg> some then again use them as "pure" models that handle all business logic (and actions are only there to call the right model)
16:03 < v-dogg> some, like me, mix that a bit
16:04 < v-dogg> I have models for business logic that is needed by several actions
16:04 < v-dogg> but I have business logic in actions too (mainly because I'm so lazy)
16:04 < KarlKoch> *g*
16:05 < v-dogg> BUT I never (well, almost never) have business logic in Action::execute*
16:06 < v-dogg> so my execute just calls a model or a function
16:07 < v-dogg> keeping things in their own functions makes it easier to refactor business logic from an action to a model easier
16:07 < KarlKoch> ok .. hm oh sorry.. .. i have to run out for a meeting - think i'll be online tommorow again..
16:07 < v-dogg> sure
16:07 < KarlKoch> thx for your explanations ..
16:07 < v-dogg> no problem
16:07 < v-dogg> glad to help
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16:14 < Wombert> let see :)
16:14 < Wombert> !hug v-dogg
16:14 < Wombert> :S
16:15 < Wombert> !hug
16:15 < Wombert> awww
16:15 < v-dogg> lol
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16:17 < v-dogg> hurry now, gotta go soon and I need that hug :D
16:17 < Wombert> eww that was so my fault
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16:19 < Wombert> !hug v-dogg
16:19 < AgaviBot> hugs v-dogg
16:19 < Wombert> :>>>>>
16:19 < Wombert> !hug
16:19 < AgaviBot> hugs v-dogg
16:19 < Wombert> eyyyyy
16:19 < v-dogg> :D
16:19 < Wombert> bugger
16:19 < v-dogg> haha
16:19 < Wombert> I want him to hug me
16:19 < v-dogg> thanks mate, gotta go now
16:19 * Wombert kicks AgaviBot
16:19 < v-dogg> he don't wanna :D
16:19 < Wombert> eww he should say "ouch" now :|
16:19 < v-dogg> later
16:19 < Wombert> l8rs man
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17:21 < eremit> uh i need some help with a validator
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17:22 < eremit> http://phpfi.com/167584
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17:22 < eremit> where's the logical difference, between the old syntax and the new one ?
17:23 < eremit> the template at the end worked with the old syntax flawless, the errors.birthday got filled, but with the new one it doesn't
17:23 < eremit> kaos, that'S the example i meant yesterday :P
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18:16 < eremit> haha ... wtf ...
18:16 < eremit> the operator validators don't react on getName() ?
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18:27 < eremit> v-dogg you have experimented with export in validators havn't you ?
18:27 < v-dogg> well... I use it :)
18:27 < v-dogg> but I'm no expert
18:28 < eremit> uhm, well what actually does it ?
18:30 < v-dogg> a validator can export a normalized value so that an action don't have to care about that anymore
18:30 < eremit> hmpf ... that's not what i'm looking for :/
18:30 < v-dogg> for example my float validator normalises 1,1 to (float) 1.1
18:30 < v-dogg> or date 12.12.2006 into a php time
18:31 < v-dogg> what are you looking for?
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18:32 < v-dogg> woot was that :)
18:32 < eremit> hrhr
18:32 < eremit> i need a way to map errors to non existant fields ...
18:33 < eremit> like having birthday_Day, .._Month, .._Year ... and if one of this fails, the error should appear to come from birthday
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18:34 < Whisller> Hi
18:35 < v-dogg> evening
18:39 < eremit> hah ... got it ... it's the affects parameter .. which must be supplied in every child validator, because it's ignored in the parent container ...
18:45 < v-dogg> Whisller: what brings you here?
18:45 < Whisller> hmm
18:46 < Whisller> nothing :)
18:47 < Wombert_> welcome, Whisller
18:47 < Whisller> Hi Wombert_
18:48 < v-dogg> can't this Miranda client thingy handle more than one server...
18:48 < v-dogg> piece of crap...
18:48 < Wombert_> haha
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18:49 * v-dogg misses irssi
18:49 < v-dogg> -es
18:50 < v-dogg> perhaps
18:50 < v-dogg> dunno
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18:54 < Wombert> !hug v-dogg
18:54 * AgaviBot hugs Wombert
18:54 < Wombert> no
18:54 < Wombert> you stupid idiot
18:54 < Wombert> !hug
18:54 * AgaviBot hugs Wombert
18:54 < Wombert> zomg
18:54 < Wombert> !hug v-dogg
18:54 * AgaviBot hugs Wombert
18:54 < Wombert> awwww
18:54 < Wombert> !seen horros
18:54 < AgaviBot> Wombert: horros was last seen on Thu Oct 12 19:04:56 2006 saying "level 4 :)" (joined Thu Oct 12 14:53:37 2006, left Thu Oct 12 23:55:37 2006)
18:54 < Wombert> hm
18:55 * Wombert slaps AgaviBot
18:55 < Wombert> slaps AgaviBot
18:55 < Wombert> hm hm hm
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18:56 < Wombert> aah
18:56 < Wombert> see?
18:56 < Wombert> :>
18:57 < splatch`> oi! :]
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19:00 < Wombert> !hug
19:01 < Wombert> :S
19:01 < Wombert> !hug v-dogg
19:01 < Wombert> EYYY
19:01 < Wombert> arrrrgh
19:01 * Wombert kicks AgaviBot
19:01 < AgaviBot> Wombert: ouch! That hurt! What the hell is wrong with you man, I'm checking feeds right now, stop bothering me :(
19:01 < Wombert> haha :>
19:02 * ttj kicks Wombert
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19:02 < Wombert> hey will ya stop kicking me
19:03 < splatch`> AgaviBot: opme
19:06 < eremit> Wombert, your bot needs some love :P
19:06 < eremit> does ist support
19:06 < eremit> !trac #123
19:06 < eremit> no :(
19:32 < Whisller> ale sie nawpierdalalem :D
19:32 < Whisller> ups not this channel ;)
19:32 < v-dogg> hehe, "Shortly in english: We do not provide shells to foreign customers."
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19:56 < splatch`> Whisller? ;)
19:56 < splatch`> Whisller: what are you doing here? :D
19:56 < Wombert> http://www.fontshop.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.fontpackage&startrow=1&records=&currpage=1&totalrecords=12&displayfontid=C.117386.0.0&fontRendererText=Agavi
19:56 < Whisller> splatch`, hmm
19:56 < Whisller> I'm looking you...ucze sie anglika ;D
19:56 < Wombert> Neo Sans Medium Italic?
19:57 < splatch`> Whisller: just like me :)
19:58 < Wombert> http://www.fontshop.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.fontdetail&displayfontid=LH.120906.0.25&attributes.sampleSize=74&sampleText=Agavi&sampleSize=74
19:58 < Wombert> mmmh
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19:58 < Wombert> or http://www.fontshop.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.fontpackage&startrow=1&records=&currpage=1&totalrecords=15&displayfontid=FF.9467.0.0&fontRendererText=Agavi
19:59 < v-dogg> Wombert: all those Neo Sans fonts are nice. I prefer non-italics but they are fine too
19:59 < codecop> second i like
20:00 < Wombert> http://www.fontshop.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.fontpackage&startrow=1&records=&currpage=1&totalrecords=5&displayfontid=LH.121015.0.0&fontRendererText=AGAVI imagine that with the first A larger
20:00 < Whisller> splatch`, English with Crocodile ;) -> http://www.azk.pl/
20:00 < Wombert> I think the first thing we should decide on is whether we want all caps or not
20:00 < digitarald> i like the last font, bold
20:01 < digitarald> all caps
20:01 < v-dogg> I don't :)
20:01 < Wombert> the issue with lowercase letters after the A is that the g does below the baseline
20:01 < digitarald> ;) ... just my 2c ;)
20:02 < Wombert> you can click on each font at http://www.fontshop.com/fontfeed/archives/web-20-logos.cfm
20:02 < Wombert> and enter sample text
20:02 < Wombert> feel free to play around and make suggestions
20:02 < splatch`> Wombert: cool :]
20:02 < Wombert> I'll send an email to Darek later and show him the list
20:02 < Wombert> I'll also tell him that he can use a commercial font, I'll pay for it
20:02 < Wombert> (or maybe everybody throws a buck or two into the hat, we'll see)
20:03 < splatch`> Wombert: us secret are open? ;)))
20:03 < Wombert> ?
20:03 < splatch`> you know, the "new" design
20:03 < Wombert> well
20:04 < Wombert> it's not like we'll show it to everyone because that takes out all the suspense ;)
20:04 < Wombert> but we have to discuss the logo font
20:04 < v-dogg> uh... I ordered a shell account from a finnish web hosting company
20:04 < v-dogg> made the order in the WWW of course
20:04 < Wombert> I don't want to just decide on something nobody else agrees to
20:05 < v-dogg> and now... they'll send a paper invoice to me and the account get activated when I have paid the bill
20:05 < Wombert> ...
20:05 < Wombert> zomg
20:06 < v-dogg> these are modern times we live in
20:06 < v-dogg> morons...
20:07 < Wombert> mmmh a lot of these fonts have wide "A"s which makes them unsuitable
20:07 < digitarald> thats like customers that send faxs :D
20:07 < Wombert> http://www.fontshop.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=verity.search&startrow=1&records=20&currpage=1&totalrecords=15&searchby=&searchID=&searchletter=&searchstr=interstate&font_categories_checkbox=font_name_search&fontRendererText=Agavi this one?
20:08 < Wombert> oh fuck that's a pricey one
20:08 < digitarald> i hate that ... 'we still need that huge text for that section' ... 'the fax is coming ... ' ... *argh*
20:09 < Wombert> I got an idea
20:09 < Wombert> everybody who wants a place in heaven
20:09 < Wombert> shall go to http://www.fontshop.com/fontfeed/archives/web-20-logos.cfm
20:09 < Wombert> and tell me three fonts he likes (please click them and generate sample text to make sure the "A" or "g" doesn't suck)
20:09 < digitarald> thats a place in heaven? fontheaven may be ;)
20:09 < Wombert> kthx
20:09 < Wombert> :>
20:11 < digitarald> u dont want a rounded font?
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20:13 < splatch`> times new roman rox ;)
20:54 < v-dogg> Wombert: I think it's easiest if you just pick a font that looks good to you
20:55 < v-dogg> we are so few that there's really no point voting for it
20:55 < v-dogg> five people votes for five different font :)
21:07 < splatch`> we wanna see new Agavi site! ;)
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21:42 < Wombert> digitarald: the question is what _you_ want
21:42 < Wombert> that's why I'm asking
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21:56 < ElGatito> hello
21:57 < ElGatito> does anyone here know what happened to mojavi.org? (I saw on google caches that there was a talk about merging agavi and mojavi so)
21:58 < splatch`> ElGatito: i know
21:58 < splatch`> ElGatito: the Mojavi is down and project is dead
21:58 < lukoko> how long is it dead?
21:59 < ElGatito> mmm so it IS dead
21:59 < splatch`> hm.. a few months
21:59 < splatch`> ElGatito: from september?
22:00 < lukoko> what is agavi then?
22:00 < splatch`> lukoko: agavi is framework based on Mojavi 3 ideas
22:00 < ElGatito> well. my friend just got a job at a company, and apparently mojavi is the framework they use there.. :( i wonder if the people at the company even know
22:01 < lukoko> ElGatito, which company?
22:01 < ElGatito> it's some Japanese company
22:01 < splatch`> ElGatito: They use Mojavi 3 or 4?
22:02 < ElGatito> but so she's trying to learn how to use the framework, but there are not that many detailed tutorials etc on the web...
22:02 < ElGatito> 3
22:02 < splatch`> ElGatito: Mojavi 3 is good.. but very old
22:03 < splatch`> ElGatito: my suggestion is "try to use Agavi 0.11"
22:03 < ElGatito> well. she told me her coworker told her mojavi *2* was good... mojavi *3* is what they migrated to, though, this September. lol
22:03 < lukoko> i also going to start working in a compamy which is using mojavi.. i wonder where could i get sources and docs?
22:03 < splatch`> ElGatito: M3 was closed years ago
22:04 < ElGatito> i see...
22:04 < ElGatito> well, sources are easy to get, there are some mirrors that are still alive
22:04 < splatch`> Mojavi always had better code documentation than "user"
22:05 < ElGatito> i see. so for someone who tries to learn, it's a matter of digging through the code ultimately...
22:05 < splatch`> the only one tutorial to Mojavi it's.. the 3 steep tutorial for Mojavi 2.0
22:06 < ElGatito> and 3.0 is a bit different from 2.0 too, right?
22:06 < splatch`> ElGatito: a litte
22:06 < splatch`> the most difference is PHP version
22:07 < ElGatito> would Agavi something that you would recommend instead of Mojavi (if you had a say in the migration path?)
22:07 < ElGatito> lukoko: let's see. Last night I went to the wayback machine and downloaded from there, but
22:08 < splatch`> ElGatito: Agavi is good stuff, i've one application based on
22:08 < splatch`> m3
22:08 < ElGatito> http://mojavi.net/
22:08 < splatch`> the rest it's Agavi :)
22:08 < Wombert> re
22:08 < Wombert> welcome ElGatito
22:09 < ElGatito> the above is a Japanese site but they have downloads for the things
22:09 < Wombert> welcome lukoko
22:09 < ElGatito> thanks
22:09 < splatch`> Wombert: hello :)
22:09 < Wombert> we suggest you use Agavi
22:09 < splatch`> yes! :)
22:09 < Wombert> the mojavi project is dead
22:09 < splatch`> yes! :(
22:09 < Wombert> awwww
22:09 < ElGatito> yes, if I had a say in such a thing :) after all, it's my friend's company's decision, and she's just a new coder there :-p
22:10 < Wombert> that company migrated to mojavi _3_ this year?
22:10 < lukoko> is agavi compatible with php 4 ?
22:10 < ElGatito> yeah, so after googling and collecting info...
22:10 < Wombert> M3 hasn't been updated for almost two years now!
22:10 < Wombert> agavi is php 5.1+
22:10 < splatch`> lukoko: no, only PHP 5.1
22:10 < ElGatito> it seems like a really strange decision
22:10 < Wombert> they probably didn't know about the project status etc
22:10 < Wombert> I'd recommend Agavi especially for larger companies
22:10 < ElGatito> but since it's a Japanese company.. maybe it's still popular in Japan? who knows...
22:10 < Wombert> it has a strong enterprise focus
22:11 < Wombert> yes, very popular
22:11 < ElGatito> i see
22:11 < Wombert> where are you from?
22:11 < ElGatito> well, i live in cali
22:11 < ElGatito> my friend got a job at a Japanese company in the area as well
22:11 < Wombert> ah
22:12 < Wombert> yeah they seemed to have been all crazy about mojavi3
22:12 < lukoko> there's one Lithuanian company using mojavi aswell
22:12 < Wombert> the focus shifted to symfony a bit, for whatever reason
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22:12 < Wombert> and to rails, of course
22:12 < ElGatito> i see.
22:12 < Wombert> at least that's what I understand from reading some of these japanese blogs that mention mojavi or agavi
22:12 < Wombert> btw, we'll launch a new website and release on Nov 5
22:13 < ElGatito> well, I'm a java coder and recently started w/ RoR but I have no exposure to the PHP scene so, that's good to know
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22:13 < splatch`> ok, i must back to my project
22:13 < splatch`> bye everyone!
22:13 < Wombert> bye splatch
22:14 < ElGatito> so. basically, mojavi is dead so the company / my friend is on their own...
22:14 < ElGatito> at least the src is there so they could hack it i guess
22:14 < ElGatito> thanks for the info / help everyone!
22:15 < Wombert> of course
22:15 < Wombert> BUT
22:15 < Wombert> hang on
22:15 < ElGatito> yeah?
22:15 < Wombert> agavi is based on mojavi 3
22:15 < Wombert> so if they have experience with that, migration wouldn't be _too_ difficult
22:15 < ElGatito> so that should be a good migration path right?
22:15 < ElGatito> ok
22:15 < Wombert> we (my company) also offer commercial support on request
22:15 < Wombert> if needed
22:16 < Wombert> remember, nov 5 brings a new release with frozen API
22:16 < Wombert> after that, there's only more documentation and performance improvements on our way to v1.0
22:16 < splatch`> Agavi will have support also in Poland ;))
22:17 < ElGatito> oh ok. just as a curiosity, though, how similar is it to mojavi? is it easy to migrate existing mojavi app to agavi, or is it only conceptually similar?
22:17 < splatch`> ElGatito: yes and no..
22:17 < Wombert> it's a lot of search-and-replace you can automate
22:18 < Wombert> the basic structure, concepts, execution flow is similar
22:18 < ElGatito> i see
22:18 < Wombert> of course, it would be good to invest a little more time to really leverage the new capabilities
22:18 < Wombert> it depends a lot of what your applicaiton looks like
22:18 < Wombert> for instance, whether or not it uses validation
22:19 < Wombert> feel free to ask your friend to come here to the channel and have a chat with us if she needs more information
22:19 < ElGatito> ok. well, I am mainly looking for learning resources for her, but
22:19 < Wombert> mmmh that would be a strong argument in favor of agavi, of course
22:19 < ElGatito> perhaps she could learn agavi and "back-port" that knowledge to mojavi at her company?
22:20 < Wombert> since M3 won't ever have docs, being abandoned...
22:20 < ElGatito> yeah...
22:20 < Wombert> yes, she'd get the basic idea, for sure
22:20 < Wombert> even more, she _could_ suggest migrating to agavi
22:20 < v-dogg> night, night
22:20 < Wombert> given that they only recently started using M3...
22:20 < Wombert> nn v-dogg
22:20 < impl> v-dogg: Night
22:20 < v-dogg> missus took over the keyboard!
22:20 < Wombert> I guess the reason why they used M3 was that there are books on it in japan
22:20 < Wombert> hi missus!
22:21 < splatch`> v-dogg: :*
22:21 < impl> pix!
22:21 < Wombert> -japan+japanese
22:21 < Wombert> impl: she's a lot too old for ya buddy
22:21 * Wombert laughs
22:21 < impl> I can pretend if I want :(
22:21 < Wombert> haha
22:21 < Wombert> she found a nice guy already, mind you
22:21 < impl> If I were European I wouldn't touch anyone from the States anyway
22:22 < ElGatito> ok. yeah, i see some ads for the books on that mojavi.net site. not sure if it's available here in the US but. :-p
22:22 < ElGatito> lol
22:22 < Wombert> (he's a bit bald, but who cares)
22:22 < v-dogg> haha
22:22 < Wombert> impl: I beg to differ
22:22 < impl> "It's just a little airborne! It's still good! It's still good!"
22:22 < Wombert> LOL
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22:38 < splatch`> *yawn*
22:39 < splatch`> anyone have simple tree (id/parent_id)?
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23:06 < splatch`> Wombert: you've an tutorials to 0.11?
23:06 < splatch`> *Do you
23:10 < kaos-> i think if we had we wouldn't hide it from you :D
23:10 < kaos-> so you would have to ask for it ^^
23:11 < splatch`> :]
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23:51 < Wombert> !hug kaos-
23:51 < Wombert> bah
23:51 < Wombert> !hug
23:52 < Wombert> mh
23:52 * kaos- throws a large pillow at AgaviBot
23:52 * Wombert slaps AgaviBot around with a large trout
23:52 < AgaviBot> Wombert: ouch! That hurt! What the hell is wrong with you man, I'm checking feeds right now, stop bothering me :(
23:52 < raidman> lol
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23:54 < Wombert> !hug raidman
23:55 * Wombert kicks AgaviBot
23:55 < AgaviBot> Wombert: ouch! That hurt! What the hell is wrong with you man, I'm checking feeds right now, stop bothering me :(
23:55 < Wombert> ffs
23:55 < raidman> :)
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23:57 < Wombert> !hug
23:57 < raidman> night
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23:57 < Wombert> !hug raidman
23:57 < Wombert> WAAAH
23:57 < impl> Wombert: Ever seen that German forklift training video?
23:58 < Wombert> Stapelfahrer Klaus?
23:58 < Wombert> yeah
23:58 < Wombert> awesome
23:58 < Wombert> is there an english version of it, too?
23:58 < impl> I wish I could understand it :P
23:58 < impl> No, but it's hilarious even without knowing what they're saying
23:58 < Wombert> it's in this 1980s teaching video style
23:58 < Wombert> they're saying "always wear your helmet"
23:59 < Wombert> and "hey, Klaus, careful, you shouldn't be standing on the lift" etc
23:59 < impl> haha
23:59 < Wombert> !hug
23:59 < Wombert> !hug test
23:59 < Wombert> arrrgh
23:59 * impl kicks AgaviBot
23:59 < AgaviBot> impl: ouch! That hurt! What the hell is wrong with you man, I'm checking feeds right now, stop bothering me :(
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00:00 < kaos-> i told you
00:00 < kaos-> use a proper irc library
00:00 < kaos-> :P
00:00 < Wombert> uh wtf?
00:00 < Wombert> uh
00:00 < Wombert> xDDD
00:00 < impl> kaos-: I hope you don't mean Net_SmartIRC
00:00 < kaos-> nope
00:00 < impl> Okay.
00:00 < Wombert> ah
00:00 < Wombert> no
00:00 < impl> You're cool then
00:00 < Wombert> totally my fault
00:00 < Wombert> !seen impl
00:00 < kaos-> i would have had a simple one he could have used
00:01 < Wombert> see, that don't work anymore either
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00:01 < kaos-> i've started some years ago ^^
00:01 < kaos-> that at least worked :P
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00:02 < Wombert> I wonder if it is possible to XInclude chunks of the same document
00:02 < Wombert> that'd be pretty cool
00:02 < Wombert> !hug impl
00:02 * AgaviBot hugs impl
00:02 < Wombert> :>>>>>
00:02 < impl> Er
00:02 < Wombert> see, he likes you
00:02 < impl> Slight lag!
00:02 < Wombert> !hug
00:02 * AgaviBot hugs impl
00:02 < Wombert> ALÖSDJALKSD
00:02 < Wombert> duh
00:03 < impl> !hug
00:03 * AgaviBot hugs impl
00:03 < Wombert> I want him to hug ME
00:03 < Wombert> :S
00:03 < Wombert> !hug Whisller
00:03 * AgaviBot hugs Whisller
00:03 < impl> lol
00:03 < Wombert> !hug
00:03 * AgaviBot hugs Whisller
00:03 < impl> He remembers
00:03 < Wombert> no, no
00:03 < Wombert> HE
00:03 < Wombert> KNOWS
00:03 < Wombert> TO
00:03 < Wombert> MUCH
00:03 < Wombert> MUST
00:03 < Wombert> KILL
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00:03 < impl> rofl
00:03 < Wombert> xD
00:03 < Wombert> yeah that's that crap about it running all the time
00:04 < Wombert> I gotta clear the state after each received message
00:04 < Wombert> I added
00:04 < Wombert> $this->getContext()->getRequest()->clearAttributes();
00:04 < Wombert> but forgot the params
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00:33 < kaos-> this mister olson ... really could have used a format which is easier to process ...
00:33 < kaos-> FFS
00:34 < Whisller> Wombert, :>
00:34 < Wombert> !hug Whisller
00:34 * AgaviBot hugs Whisller
00:34 < Wombert> !hug
00:35 * AgaviBot hugs Whisller
00:35 < Wombert> ALKSdölajsd
00:35 < Whisller> ?
00:35 < Wombert> why are you doing this to me, AgaviBot :(
00:35 * Wombert kicks AgaviBot
00:35 < AgaviBot> Wombert: ouch! That hurt! What the hell is wrong with you man, I'm checking feeds right now, stop bothering me :(
00:36 < Whisller> ok, supper...
00:36 < Wombert> a bit late, ain't it
00:36 < Wombert> which reminds me
00:36 < Wombert> I wanted to try that new tea flavor
00:36 < Wombert> and some butter cookies
00:36 < Wombert> <3
01:24 < splatch`> hehe
01:24 * splatch` kicks AgaviBot
01:24 < AgaviBot> splatch`: ouch! That hurt! What the hell is wrong with you man, I'm checking feeds right now, stop bothering me :(
01:25 * splatch` slaps AgaviBot
01:25 < AgaviBot> splatch`: ouch! That hurt! What the hell is wrong with you man, I'm checking feeds right now, stop bothering me :(
01:25 * Wombert throws a large pillow at AgaviBot
01:25 < Wombert> HEY!
01:25 < Wombert> WTF
01:25 < Wombert> :<
01:25 < Wombert> :<<<<
01:25 < Wombert> !hug kaos-
01:25 * AgaviBot hugs kaos-
01:25 < Wombert> <:
01:25 < splatch`> my query was slow.. two indexes and now he's faster more than 100 times
01:27 < splatch`> explain is the best optimization tool :)
01:27 < Wombert> <:
01:27 < Wombert> yep
01:27 < splatch`> but that's nothing
01:27 < splatch`> "Seq Scan on category c (cost=0.00..3097.00 rows=529 width=118)"
01:28 < splatch`> "Seq Scan on category c (cost=0.00..8.80 rows=7 width=118)"
01:28 < splatch`> small difference? ;)
01:29 < splatch`> Wombert: do you use mysql or postgres?
01:29 < Wombert> mostly mysql
01:29 < splatch`> hm.. mysql are faster than postgres but...
01:30 < splatch`> stored procedures in postgres are better
01:30 < Wombert> raw performance should never be the #1 consideration when doing software projects
01:30 < Wombert> postgresql has triggers, stored procedures, geometric selects etc etc etc
01:30 < Wombert> much more extensible
01:30 < Wombert> much more stable
01:30 < Wombert> take agavi, for example
01:31 < Wombert> agavi isn't fast by any stretch of the imagination
01:31 < splatch`> the stability of database = mostly hardware
01:31 < Wombert> but
01:31 < Wombert> agavi makes your code structured
01:31 < Wombert> it makes your code extensible
01:31 < Wombert> if you want to change something, you can do it without trouble
01:33 < splatch`> Wombert: my friends at work uses postgres with python :)
01:34 < splatch`> Wombert: geometric types in postgres are cool stuff
01:34 < splatch`> and many, many modules
01:34 < splatch`> for example tree-algorithm implementation
01:34 < Wombert> yep
01:35 < splatch`> but i've own implementation the simplest algorithm (parent_id+depth) based on pgsql
01:36 < splatch`> my left/right tree works, but only for selects ;)
01:36 < splatch`> the problem is changes in nodes, when one node moved into second
01:37 < splatch`> thats terrible
01:37 < splatch`> *that's
01:37 < Wombert> yeah I know that stuff ;)
01:37 < splatch`> i can't write queries to do this :|
01:38 < splatch`> Wombert: Do you have left/right tree? :]
01:38 < Wombert> yeah with leftId and rightId
01:39 < splatch`> Wombert: can you move nodes?
01:39 < Wombert> yes
01:39 < Wombert> with propel
01:40 < splatch`> propel it's optional stuff :)
01:40 < Wombert> ah
01:40 < Wombert> no
01:40 < Wombert> I wrote my own tree stuff for propel
01:40 < Wombert> not this 1.3.2.1 stuff
01:40 < Wombert> really with leftId and rightId etc
01:40 < splatch`> "depesz" or ip-trees
01:41 < splatch`> Wombert: so, you tree dosn't works without propel?
01:41 < Wombert> sure it does but
01:41 < Wombert> with propel, it's easy ;)
01:42 < Wombert> $node1 = CategoryPeer::retrieveByPK(16);
01:42 < Wombert> $node2 = $node1 = CategoryPeer::retrieveByPK(17);
01:42 < Wombert> $node1->moveTo($node2, CategoryPeer::MOVE_INTO);
01:42 < Wombert> etc
01:42 < Wombert> if I delete a node, it deletes all children etc
01:42 < splatch`> Wombert: i thoughtt about that, but after tree structure and queries implementation
01:43 < Wombert> it was very difficult
01:43 < Wombert> but in the end I got it working
01:43 < splatch`> Wombert: you use PHP to get intersection?
01:44 < splatch`> *do you
01:44 < Wombert> you mean a subtree or so?
01:44 < splatch`> yes
01:44 < Wombert> no, it's all SQL
01:44 < splatch`> with like? :)
01:44 < Wombert> uuuh
01:44 < Wombert> no!?
01:44 < splatch`> substring?
01:45 < Wombert> SELECT * FROM table WHERE leftId >= 13 AND rightId <= 26
01:45 < splatch`> aaa
01:45 < Wombert> simple nested sets
01:45 < splatch`> i forgot about
01:45 < Wombert> like is slow
01:46 < splatch`> Wombert: my procedures can get all data from update, but i haven't all queries
01:46 < splatch`> so, if you do update tree set parent_id = 0 where id = 11
01:46 < splatch`> procedues will do all work
01:46 < Wombert> parent_id is bad!
01:47 < Wombert> that is very very slow
01:47 < splatch`> Wombert: parent_id is additional information
01:47 < splatch`> used only to moving
01:47 < splatch`> the rest i'ts left/right
01:47 < Wombert> ah you don't need that ;)
01:47 < Wombert> http://www.develnet.org/36.html
01:48 < Wombert> but it's in german
01:48 < splatch`> Wombert: yes, i don't need, but that update it's cleaner ;)
01:48 < Wombert> http://www.develnet.org/244.html maybe
01:48 < splatch`> Wombert: i know Daniel
01:49 < splatch`> they're PHROOT developer :)
01:49 < splatch`> Wombert: thank you for that stuff!
01:49 < Wombert> you're welcome
01:50 < splatch`> [babelfish.altavista.com] :)
01:50 < splatch`> Wombert: you saw phroot?
01:50 < Wombert> no
01:51 < splatch`> http://phroot.org
01:51 < splatch`> that's PHP framework based on Java/J2EE ideas
01:53 < splatch`> blah, time to sleep
01:54 < splatch`> bye
01:54 < splatch`> AgaviBot: :*
01:54 < Wombert> good night
01:54 < splatch`> [d]
01:54 < Whisller> cya
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03:36 < Whisller> Good night :)
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04:35 < pressureman> umm.... is svn.agavi.org only using http now?
04:36 < pressureman> it's refusing svn connections
04:38 < pressureman> anyone?
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10:01 < v-dogg> 'agavi project' has issues
10:02 < v-dogg> someone should remind me to fix it (I can't create a ticket)
10:02 < eremit> morning
10:06 < v-dogg> build.xml line 273 {module.login} should be ${module.secure}
10:07 * eremit makes a note about reminding v-dogg
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10:44 < eremit> gna, why cant this retarded zend ppl create an ide, which doesn't crash all the time :/
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11:07 < digitarald> Morning fellows
11:22 < eremit> hjelp ... is wombert the only one who knows routing well enough to answer a complex question ?
11:23 < digitarald> mmhh ... maybe ;)
11:24 < eremit> ok, i'm running lighttp and used the german engineered cookbook rules ...
11:24 < eremit> but ...
11:24 < eremit> after the first link everything again has index.php prependet in the url
11:24 < eremit> how to disable that :P
11:24 < digitarald> ok ... Wooooombert ;)
11:25 < eremit> ;)
11:25 < digitarald> too complex ... this is ... oh no ... nono
11:26 < eremit> haha ... uhm the validators drove me crazy yesterday... even dreamt the night of'em ... :/
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11:48 < digitarald> :D
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12:38 < v-dogg> haha
12:38 < v-dogg> eremit: did you get them sorted?
12:40 < horros> yay
12:40 < horros> I got my SIP phone finally
12:42 < v-dogg> one that doesn't need a computer?
12:43 < horros> aye
12:43 < horros> v-dogg: I can whole-heartedly recommend nettipuhelin.fi
12:43 < v-dogg> nice
12:43 < horros> excellent service
12:43 < horros> top bloke at the tech dept
12:45 < v-dogg> alright
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13:14 < v-dogg> wombii
13:14 < Wombert> y0
13:14 < v-dogg> found a little copy-paste bug in build.xml
13:15 < v-dogg> would have fixed it but I don't have a user account :)
13:15 < horros> hai Wombert
13:15 < Wombert> yeah right dominik needs to set up grsecurity or something on that box first
13:15 < v-dogg> ok
13:15 < Wombert> then we can add user accounts again
13:15 < Wombert> sorry for that
13:16 < v-dogg> no problem
13:16 < v-dogg> I'm quite happy to pass these things to others
13:16 < v-dogg> to you :)
13:16 < v-dogg> fixit fixit fixit
13:16 < Wombert> :p
13:17 < Wombert> uh yes but
13:17 < Wombert> where is the bug?= :D
13:18 < v-dogg> yeah... well... I would have opened a ticket but... :D
13:18 < v-dogg> build.xml line 273 {module.login} should be ${module.secure}
13:18 < Wombert> right
13:18 < Wombert> ah
13:18 < Wombert> k
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13:19 < digitarald> did u choose a font yesterday?
13:20 < Wombert> no
13:20 < Wombert> I told darek that he can choose a commercial font and I'd pay the license then
13:22 < v-dogg> hmm.. what do I have to do get propel 1.3 working
13:27 < v-dogg> I still need to add all my classes to autoload.xml, right?
13:27 < v-dogg> but anything else?
13:29 < Wombert> no, not necessary
13:30 < v-dogg> hm...
13:30 < Wombert> only databases.xml for 1.3
13:30 < v-dogg> ok
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13:30 < pressureman> hi Wombert
13:30 < Wombert> hi pressureman
13:30 < v-dogg> hi there
13:31 < pressureman> sorry i haven't sent that tarball of code to you yet... work has been crazy like u wouldn't believe
13:31 < pressureman> i tried it with the latest svn today just for kicks, but the problem is still there
13:31 < Wombert> mmmmh
13:31 < Wombert> help me remember the issue quickly plz
13:32 < pressureman> i'll try to suss out what broke between 1066 and 1067
13:32 < pressureman> uhm, the <textarea> fields were not populating on forms
13:32 < pressureman> but everything else was
13:32 < Wombert> ah
13:32 < Wombert> right
13:33 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
13:33 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1191 : Changeset [1191]: fixed build.xml
13:33 * kaos- throws a large pillow at Wombert
13:35 < kaos-> i'm ready ^^ :p
13:35 < pressureman> is svn over http only now?
13:35 < Wombert> kaos-: I'm not xD
13:35 < v-dogg> yes
13:35 < kaos-> for now yes
13:35 < Wombert> yes
13:35 < kaos-> will change when i could be bothered making a cert
13:35 < kaos-> ;)
13:35 < pressureman> change to...? https?
13:35 < Wombert> svn switch --relocate svn://svn.agavi.org/agavi/trunk http://svn.agavi.org/trunk
13:35 < pressureman> i meant is it no longer raw svn protocol
13:35 < v-dogg> kaos-: yeah, all those four lines of text
13:35 < Wombert> or "reloacte..." with tortoise
13:35 < kaos-> v-dogg: yah!
13:35 < kaos-> you have to renew it every year
13:35 < kaos-> WAY to much work
13:35 < kaos-> *g*
13:36 < pressureman> self-signed cert for 99 years
13:36 < kaos-> thats kind of useless
13:36 < kaos-> imho ^^
13:36 < pressureman> probably won't be your problem to renew it though ;-)
13:36 < v-dogg> are you going to get a signed cert?
13:36 < pressureman> hey, if you have a proper cert revocation setup, any length of time is sensible
13:37 < kaos-> <v-dogg> are you going to get a signed cert? <-- would make sense imho
13:37 < kaos-> but costs money ^^
13:37 < v-dogg> yes
13:37 < pressureman> not worth it, if all you're trying to do is ensure logins/passwords are encrypted
13:37 < kaos-> well, have thought about a signed one
13:39 < kaos-> but need to talk with david about it first
13:39 < kaos-> well, it would kinda ensure that you are really downloading the agavi source
13:39 < v-dogg> we could start with a self-signed one
13:39 < kaos-> and not something someone tells to you is the agavi source ;o
13:39 < v-dogg> to get the encryption
13:39 < pressureman> i doubt that agavi will be the target of any high profile hackers trying to spoof its identity in the near term
13:40 < kaos-> yeah
13:40 < pressureman> and u could do something like GPG-sign the code if you're worried about authenticity
13:40 < Wombert> pah
13:40 < kaos-> thats why we don't need ssl at all imho
13:40 < Wombert> fuck encryption
13:40 < Wombert> who needs that anway
13:40 < kaos-> at least right now ;)
13:41 < Wombert> we only need it for authed svn access
13:41 < Wombert> and maybe trac
13:41 < pressureman> how about svn+ssh?
13:41 < Wombert> anon checkouts can be http
13:41 < Wombert> yeah we had that before, svn+ssh
13:41 < v-dogg> can someone plz tell me how to configure propel 1.3 :)
13:41 < Wombert> the thing is that svnserve doesn't allow for fine grained access controls
13:41 < Wombert> v-dogg: it's not any different!
13:41 < kaos-> it does
13:41 < kaos-> Wombert
13:41 < v-dogg> Wombert: ok :)
13:41 < Wombert> yeah whatever
13:41 < kaos-> it just didn't earlier
13:41 < Wombert> v-dogg: are you having trouble
13:41 < Wombert> I see
13:41 < kaos-> but i still like the apache2 integration more
13:41 < v-dogg> how do I set the autoload?
13:41 < pressureman> you mean svnserve has more than just RO and RW now?
13:42 < Wombert> v-dogg: it's the same except you don't have to add all the classes to your autoload
13:42 < Wombert> not at all, it's automatic, v-dogg
13:42 < kaos-> pressureman: yes ...
13:42 < kaos-> you can limit to sub directories etc too now iirc
13:42 < v-dogg> Wombert: I get class not found
13:42 < Wombert> v-dogg: uh?
13:42 < Wombert> errr
13:42 < v-dogg> my own class
13:42 < Wombert> latest 1.3?
13:42 < v-dogg> yep
13:42 < pressureman> i must check that out... err, checkout that ;-)
13:43 < Wombert> is there a list of autoloads in your runtime-conf.php?
13:43 < Wombert> v-dogg: ah did you set the include path?
13:44 < v-dogg> yes, to lib/propel/classes
13:44 < v-dogg> but no list
13:44 < Wombert> uuh?
13:44 < Wombert> ah
13:44 < Wombert> xD
13:44 < v-dogg> what does it look like? should it be there automatically?
13:44 < Wombert> but did you also rebuild your stuff?
13:44 < v-dogg> sure
13:44 < v-dogg> it's a fresh project
13:44 < Wombert> errr
13:46 < Wombert> v-dogg: http://www.phpfi.com/167901
13:46 < Wombert> as you can see, you have to add the path where the "bookstore" (or whatever the package is called) folder is to the autoload, too
13:47 < Wombert> I usually put the "bookstore" folder into "app/lib" and add that to the include path
13:47 < Wombert> errr
13:47 < Wombert> -"to the autoload" +"to the include path"
13:48 < Wombert> !hug v-dogg
13:48 * AgaviBot hugs v-dogg
13:48 < v-dogg> hihi
13:48 < v-dogg> hmm..
13:49 < v-dogg> propel doesn't generate runtime-conf.php at all
13:49 < splatch`> hello
13:49 < v-dogg> just build/conf/runtime-conf.xml
13:50 < Wombert> uh?
13:50 < Wombert> wtf
13:50 < v-dogg> does it use xslt or something to do that?
13:50 < Wombert> yeah
13:50 < Wombert> but you should get an error then
13:51 < Wombert> (maybe xslt I dunno)
13:51 < Wombert> you run phing -Dproject=bookstore, right?
13:51 < v-dogg> no, propel-gen
13:52 < Wombert> eee
13:52 < Wombert> how does that work?
13:52 < Wombert> that's the pear command
13:52 < Wombert> it likely uses the 1.2 installed via PEAR :DD
13:53 < v-dogg> no, I have my PATH set correctly
13:53 < v-dogg> and pear directory renamed to pear.hide
13:53 < Wombert> hm
13:53 < Wombert> but still
13:53 < Wombert> go to propel/generator
13:54 < Wombert> run phing -Dproject=projectname from there
13:55 < v-dogg> I'm positive it uses the right version
13:55 < v-dogg> because it tells that it uses the right build.xml
13:56 < Wombert> try that anyway please :)
13:56 < Wombert> propel-gen is for pear and that stuff might be broken
13:59 < v-dogg> but it's just a wrapper for phing call
13:59 < v-dogg> anyways, it made no difference if I ran it without it
14:00 < v-dogg> it just copies my runtim-conf.xml to build/conf/
14:01 < Wombert> that's strange
14:17 < horros> ARGH
14:17 < horros> cold coffee!
14:17 * horros runs around waving arms
14:17 < horros> eww eww eww!
14:23 < Wombert> xDD
14:24 < pressureman> have you written tests for FPF wombert?
14:24 < Wombert> nope
14:25 < pressureman> i've just found another broken form, and this one doesn't have any <textarea>
14:25 < Wombert> the current testing infrastructure doesn't support functional tests
14:25 < Wombert> we'll have that in 1.0
14:25 < Wombert> pressureman: please create test cases for me
14:25 < pressureman> ok, something in svn 1067 broken forms handling
14:26 < pressureman> i must be the only one using it, for nobody else to notice by now
14:26 < horros> I've not updated agavi in ages :)
14:26 < horros> my fpf works, and that's all I need at the moment :)
14:27 < pressureman> you'll have a lot of work on your hands, come release day
14:27 < Wombert> plenty people use it
14:27 < horros> pressureman: pardon?
14:27 < horros> release day came and went
14:27 < horros> :)
14:27 < pressureman> 0.11?
14:28 < horros> no, the app we're writing
14:28 < pressureman> Wombert, this other broken form has a <select> and a <checkbox>
14:28 < horros> It's built on agavi 0.10.2 plus then some :)
14:29 < pressureman> wondering if FPF only likes <input> text and password fields
14:29 < pressureman> the funny thing is, it doesn't populate any of the other fields on the form either
14:29 < pressureman> but a form with only text and password input fields is fine
14:30 < v-dogg> pressureman: I have no problems with textarea and others
14:30 < v-dogg> select, input
14:30 < v-dogg> everything goes :)
14:31 < pressureman> it must be my older code then
14:31 < pressureman> are the examples in the sample app for pre-populating forms?
14:31 < pressureman> (ie, DB record retrieval)
14:31 < v-dogg> dunno
14:31 < v-dogg> but show us the line that you use to populate
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14:32 < pressureman> if ($this->getContext()->getRequest()->getMethod() == 'read') {
14:32 < pressureman> $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate',
14:32 < pressureman> new AgaviParameterHolder(array(
14:32 < pressureman> 'user_id' => $dbRecord['user_id'],
14:32 < pressureman> 'username' => $dbRecord['login'],
14:32 < pressureman> 'role' => $dbRecord['role'],
14:32 < pressureman> 'disabled' => $dbRecord['disabled']
14:32 < pressureman> )),
14:32 < pressureman> 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
14:32 < pressureman> }
14:33 < v-dogg> there's your problem
14:33 < v-dogg> hang on a sec
14:33 < Wombert> uh?
14:33 < Wombert> looks fine to me!?
14:34 < pressureman> que?
14:34 < pressureman> i'm using pretty much that same line of code on other forms that are working
14:34 < Wombert> maybe it can't detect the form due to the action having an argument appended or so?
14:34 < v-dogg> hmm...
14:34 < v-dogg> no, sorry, that is correct
14:35 < Wombert> e.g. the URL to the form is /users/add, but <form action="/users/add?blah" /> or so?
14:35 < v-dogg> should you try using form id
14:35 < pressureman> the thing is, it worked on 1066, then stopped working in 1067 onwards
14:35 < Wombert> odd
14:35 < Wombert> but might be related to the form detection I changed there
14:35 < pressureman> i've looked at the diffs between 1066 and 1067, and i can't see how it broke
14:35 < Wombert> the problem is I really gotta run now
14:36 < Wombert> v-dogg: can you help him a bit, e.g. show him to use the form id and see if that works, if yes, it's the action detection
14:42 < pressureman> i'm off to bed anyway i'll try to put together a tarball that demonstrates the problem
14:42 < Wombert> kk
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15:21 < shoan> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/10/do-you-google.html
15:21 < shoan> :)
15:27 < toby_swe> is there any php-package that does the same thing as e.g. majordomo or other mail list handlers?
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15:36 < Whisller> hi
15:45 < splatch`> google = evil ;>
15:47 < Whisller> splatch`, check this out http://www.di.com.pl/news/15042,Naloty_policji_-_zabraklo_Windowsow_w_Stalowej_Woli.html :D
15:47 < splatch`> hello Whisller
15:47 < splatch`> Whisller: pff, Stalowa Wola is country ;)
15:48 < Whisller> I like polish policemaans ;D realy
15:49 < splatch`> mobilization, pirates, mobilization, pirates
15:49 < Whisller> I waiting when they come to me ;)
15:50 < Whisller> But my Xp is good :]
15:50 < Whisller> ...english not ;D
15:51 < splatch`> back to work
15:51 < Whisller> :)
15:58 < horros> ~/ but it's hard to get by, when your arse is the size of a small countryyyyyyy ~/
15:58 < horros> lalala
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16:27 < eremit> wombert?
16:28 < eremit> gna :/
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17:30 < KarlKoch> anybody online ?
17:30 < KarlKoch> is it normal that the sample app shows an 404, wenn you call an invalid url ?
17:31 < KarlKoch> i thought the framework can handle those errors..
17:32 < v-dogg> what's the url you called?
17:32 < v-dogg> and do you have .htaccess in use?
17:33 < KarlKoch> i called the url of the sample app
17:33 < KarlKoch> and htaccess is turned on ..
17:33 < v-dogg> agavi should handle 404 but if you get an actual 404 from the server then agavi wasn't called
17:34 < v-dogg> do your links have index.php?
17:35 < KarlKoch> yes..
17:35 < v-dogg> then you don't have rewrite enabled
17:35 < KarlKoch> but calls like http://localhost/_agavi/samples/pub/asdjashdasd? are taken to a standard 404
17:35 < v-dogg> ofcourse because agavi is never called
17:35 < KarlKoch> but the sample app works..
17:36 < v-dogg> sure, when you call index.php
17:36 < KarlKoch> yes.. i tried http://localhost/_agavi/samples/pub/index.php/asdjashdasd? this works fine for me..
17:37 < KarlKoch> it seems to be a little error in the sample app
17:43 < v-dogg> what?
17:43 < v-dogg> that agavi doesn't handle 404?
17:45 < v-dogg> there is no way agavi can handle urls without index.php if mod_rewrite is not used
17:45 < v-dogg> and if your links have index.php in them, mod_write is not used
17:48 < KarlKoch> my links look like this: samples/pub/index.php/en/secure
17:49 < v-dogg> so there's something wrong with your .htaccess or mod_write or apache's config
17:52 < KarlKoch> hmm i fixed the server settings.. but now i cannot access the sample app ;(
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17:52 < v-dogg> KarlKoch: why is that?
17:53 < KarlKoch> when i click the pub dir - i'll get a 404
17:53 < v-dogg> hmm?
17:53 < KarlKoch> ok -- i forgot to set the rewrite base.. sry..
17:53 < v-dogg> what server are you using?
17:53 < v-dogg> ah, ok
17:54 < KarlKoch> xampp @winxp -- but now it's working for me ..
17:54 < v-dogg> good
17:55 < splatch`> *yawn*
17:56 < KarlKoch> kanotix would be better - but i need some windows based programs that are not available under kanotix
17:58 < KarlKoch> okay-- i'll leave now -- weather is nice today ;).. may be i'll go for a coffee or some more ;:-)
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18:21 < digitarald> will i get money for getting KarlKoch as member ... we need a spreadagavi.org ;)
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18:42 < v-dogg> digitarald: sure, but you also have to pay $1 for every question he has and you are not here to answer :p
18:42 < splatch`> hm.. what CLA will do?
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19:25 < splatch`> hello Wombert! :)
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19:30 < splatch`> where is Agavi Bot? :)
19:30 < shoan> Wombert lost it
19:46 < lukoko> hi
19:47 < splatch`> Wombert: You must give us AgaviBot back! :)
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23:11 < splatch`> Wombert: do you know how to get depth from left/right columns?
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23:40 < splatch`> count where left < current left, right > current right
23:41 < Wombert> select count(*) from table where leftId between <left> and <right>
23:41 < Wombert> yes
23:41 < Wombert> :>
23:42 < splatch`> Wombert: i forgot ;)
23:47 < splatch`> that's my 3 attempt
23:47 < splatch`> :]
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00:13 -!- MrJeep [n=Jeep@modemcable175.240-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #agavi
00:13 < MrJeep> Hi
00:14 < MrJeep> so, how the next update's going ?
00:16 < Wombert> MrJeep: www.agavi.org :)
00:16 < Wombert> and welcome to agavi
00:16 < Wombert> have you been here before?
00:16 < MrJeep> of couse
00:16 < Wombert> canada, eh?
00:16 < Wombert> cool :>
00:16 < MrJeep> yeah hehe
00:16 < Wombert> same nick?
00:16 < Wombert> I'm afraid I can't remember you
00:16 < MrJeep> never been on this channel before
00:16 < Wombert> ah
00:17 < Wombert> I CALLED IT!!!! TADAAAAA
00:17 < Wombert> ;)
00:17 < MrJeep> heheh
00:17 < Wombert> lets give you a hug
00:17 < Wombert> !hug MrJeep
00:17 * AgaviBot hugs MrJeep
00:17 < MrJeep> man the next update is going to be so nice
00:17 < MrJeep> :D
00:17 < Wombert> did you have a look at trunk yet?
00:17 < splatch`> MrJeep: Will you drunk one beer with us? :)
00:17 < Wombert> mmmh it seems there's actually a couple more users than just those few hanging around here...
00:18 < MrJeep> no beer for me today, had too much yesterday :S
00:20 < MrJeep> are you guys working on agavi or juste hanging around ?
00:21 * Wombert is a developer
00:21 < Wombert> kaos, too
00:21 < Wombert> we're doing most of the stuff, but luckily, everyone contributes stuff
00:21 < Wombert> v-dogg, for instance, and horros, have contributed code
00:21 < Wombert> others provided translation stuff etc
00:22 < Wombert> if you'd like to help out (documentation is #1 priority until 1.0), let me know ;)
00:22 * splatch` is ugly user ;)
00:22 < Wombert> but!
00:23 < Wombert> you arranged contact to darek
00:23 < Wombert> who's doing the new logo and website design
00:23 < MrJeep> well, maybe someday I could help
00:23 < Wombert> which is wayyyy cool
00:23 < Wombert> !hug splatch`
00:23 * AgaviBot hugs splatch`
00:23 < splatch`> !hug Wombert
00:23 * AgaviBot hugs Wombert
00:23 < MrJeep> this framework has done so much for me
00:23 < splatch`> ;)
00:23 < Wombert> MrJeep: I'm glad to hear that
00:23 < Wombert> MrJeep: so did you check out trunk already?
00:23 < MrJeep> yeah I did
00:23 < Wombert> or did you just follow the changesets and so
00:23 < Wombert> cool
00:24 < Wombert> noticed the translation? and the form re-population in the sample app login?
00:24 < Wombert> hope you like it
00:24 < Wombert> if you're missing anything
00:24 < Wombert> let me know
00:24 < Wombert> we want to get things "frozen" asap
00:24 < MrJeep> and I was going to ask.. my main website is using... an older version.. I think I'll have a lot of work juste
00:24 < MrJeep> just to make my website compatible with .11
00:24 < Wombert> yeah but it will be worth it
00:24 < MrJeep> hell yhea
00:25 < Wombert> did you see the XMLRPC interface to the sample app?
00:25 < MrJeep> the translation stuff. finally
00:25 < Wombert> and then there's the bot, of course ;)
00:25 < Wombert> !info
00:25 < AgaviBot> Wombert: I'm AgaviBot version 0.3, powered by Agavi :) My IRC Bot components and the Web Interface to the Logs share quite some code, thanks to Agavi's flexibility and clean structure!
00:25 < splatch`> !info
00:25 < AgaviBot> splatch`: I'm AgaviBot version 0.3, powered by Agavi :) My IRC Bot components and the Web Interface to the Logs share quite some code, thanks to Agavi's flexibility and clean structure!
00:25 < splatch`> !info
00:25 < AgaviBot> splatch`: I'm AgaviBot version 0.3, powered by Agavi :) My IRC Bot components and the Web Interface to the Logs share quite some code, thanks to Agavi's flexibility and clean structure!
00:25 < splatch`> !info
00:25 < AgaviBot> splatch`: I'm AgaviBot version 0.3, powered by Agavi :) My IRC Bot components and the Web Interface to the Logs share quite some code, thanks to Agavi's flexibility and clean structure!
00:25 < splatch`> !info
00:25 < splatch`> !info
00:25 < AgaviBot> splatch`: I'm AgaviBot version 0.3, powered by Agavi :) My IRC Bot components and the Web Interface to the Logs share quite some code, thanks to Agavi's flexibility and clean structure!
00:25 < AgaviBot> splatch`: I'm AgaviBot version 0.3, powered by Agavi :) My IRC Bot components and the Web Interface to the Logs share quite some code, thanks to Agavi's flexibility and clean structure!
00:25 < splatch`> !info
00:25 < AgaviBot> splatch`: I'm AgaviBot version 0.3, powered by Agavi :) My IRC Bot components and the Web Interface to the Logs share quite some code, thanks to Agavi's flexibility and clean structure!
00:25 < splatch`> !info
00:25 < AgaviBot> splatch`: I'm AgaviBot version 0.3, powered by Agavi :) My IRC Bot components and the Web Interface to the Logs share quite some code, thanks to Agavi's flexibility and clean structure!
00:25 < splatch`> hehe ;]
00:25 < Wombert> hey stop that :(
00:25 < splatch`> Wombert: spam fulter doesn't works! :)
00:25 < splatch`> *filter
00:26 < MrJeep> I'm waiting for the next update to translate this : www.pokeramateurleagues.com
00:26 < splatch`> Wombert: I know, that was stupid
00:26 < Wombert> :D
00:26 < Wombert> MrJeep: cool
00:26 < MrJeep> ty
00:27 < MrJeep> there is something I'm wondering...
00:27 < MrJeep> about an ActionChain
00:28 < splatch`> MrJeep: in poland we said: if you want produce wedge you mast use wedge
00:28 < MrJeep> now, I've taken this class from Mojavi and I use it in some Views to execute modules and get the result
00:28 < MrJeep> I'm wondering if something like that will be directly implented in the next milestone
00:28 < splatch`> MrJeep: so, you can drink :)
00:28 < MrJeep> and I'm not talking about decorators
00:29 < Wombert> MrJeep: hm
00:29 < Wombert> so no slots, right?
00:29 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
00:29 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1192 : Changeset [1192]: Added Javascript alert with explanation when clicking the 'Invalid URL' …
00:29 < splatch`> MrJeep: wizzards?
00:30 < splatch`> MrJeep: just like M4 true?
00:30 < Wombert> the problem is
00:30 < Wombert> we really don't want to get rid of decorators because that would be such a huuuuuuge change
00:30 < MrJeep> no no of course not
00:30 < Wombert> I strongly dislike the entire execution flow
00:30 < Wombert> and the separation of actions and modules
00:30 < Wombert> all that
00:31 < splatch`> Wombert: java have "spring web flow"
00:31 < Wombert> we'll come up with something better in v 2.0
00:31 < splatch`> that's great tool
00:31 < MrJeep> well, then, what's the proper way to get the "result" of a module inside another module ?
00:31 < Wombert> splatch`: yeah we have to look into all the options
00:31 < Wombert> MrJeep: slots, I guess...
00:31 < Wombert> aren't they sufficient for what you're trying to achieve?
00:31 < MrJeep> to decorate, yes
00:31 < Wombert> maybe if you describe your use case a bit, I can help our
00:31 < MrJeep> ok I explain
00:31 < splatch`> or render-var :)
00:32 < MrJeep> by the way, I speak french and my english is a little rusty :S
00:32 < MrJeep> anyway, here I goes
00:32 < MrJeep> go
00:33 < splatch`> MrJeep: you english is pretty good, my english is the wors on freenode ;)
00:33 < splatch`> *worst
00:33 < KarlKoch> rusty.. explain - what could be rusty in case of speaking a language ?
00:33 < Wombert> MrJeep: oh really, I wouldn't have noticed to be honest
00:33 < KarlKoch> me too
00:34 < MrJeep> on my website, I have a module which only display the upcomming games for a league
00:34 < MrJeep> this modules don't have decorators, juste a simple php view
00:34 < Wombert> okay
00:35 < MrJeep> on my Default module, the index page, which use decorators, I want to display this module
00:35 < MrJeep> now, I use an action chain, I add the module and fetch the result
00:35 < MrJeep> simple, works great, but this is not the "agavi" way
00:36 < Wombert> why don't you use a slot for that?
00:36 < MrJeep> I'd rather use the good way. I understand the uses of decorator, but, however, decorators can't help me in this case
00:36 < MrJeep> I use slots for modules that are displayed on every page
00:36 < MrJeep> like the adds, the login box ...
00:36 < Wombert> yeah, you could use a special decorator template in this case, for example
00:37 < Wombert> the problem is that you can't use slots inside your actual template, for instance
00:37 < Wombert> one of the drawbacks
00:37 < Wombert> that would make it a lot easier to begin with
00:37 < MrJeep> yep, this is why the ActionChain is the easiest way to achieve waht I want
00:38 < MrJeep> but I wish something like that could be implementend officially into agavi
00:38 < Wombert> I'm willing to do what ever it takes to make this entire decorators/actionstack/chain/blah stuff suck less
00:39 < Wombert> the thing is that I'd very much like to say "nope, no changes anymore" at this point, because we never get a release out otherweise
00:39 < Wombert> -e
00:39 < MrJeep> yeah I understand
00:39 < MrJeep> I wasent really asking to add something right now or anything. Actually, I was wondering if I was using a good way to do that
00:39 < MrJeep> if not, is there a better solution
00:40 < MrJeep> and please, don't change the release date
00:40 < MrJeep> D:
00:40 < MrJeep> :D
00:40 < Wombert> :D sure
00:40 < MrJeep> of course, If I really want that action chain feature implemented into the view, I could do it myself :)
00:41 < Wombert> I have to admit I'm not familiar with M2 and, therefor, the whole action chain stuff
00:41 < Wombert> someone was nice enough to explain it to me a bit the other day
00:42 < MrJeep> I don't really know how it's working inside the mojavi 2 framework, however, I've read a tutorial on a forum on how I can use it for my purposes
00:43 < MrJeep> by the way, is .11 going back to the old Renderer stuff like M2 ?
00:43 < Wombert> well, we decoupled the rendering from the views again
00:43 < MrJeep> I'm not saying "old" in a bad way btw
00:44 < Wombert> it was necessary for the output types concept to work
00:44 < Wombert> so you can generate the RSS with XSL, and the HTML with Smarty etc
00:44 < Wombert> within the same view
00:45 < MrJeep> so on the next milestone, we'll have to create a Renderer object within the execute view's method ?
00:45 < Wombert> no, no, of course not!
00:45 < Wombert> have a look at the sample app
00:45 < Wombert> it works just like before
00:46 < Wombert> except that you define which renderer to use for which output type
00:46 < Wombert> and then you just extend AgaviView
00:46 < Wombert> the rest is the same (and you don't use file extensions in setTemplate anymore)
00:46 < Wombert> but yes, you can return a renderer instance from the view if you like
00:46 < Wombert> certainly good for maximum control and flexibility in edge cases
00:47 < Wombert> btw the output types aren't demoed very well in the sample app
00:48 < Wombert> this xhtml stuff is utter nonsense, and since xmlrpc doesn't use templates, it's difficult to show what output types are really for
00:48 < MrJeep> oh i see, nice :D
00:48 < Wombert> the basic idea is that you have that ViewProductAction
00:48 < Wombert> and you write that ONCE
00:48 < Wombert> and you have ONE view
00:48 < Wombert> that can generate PDF, HTML and... uhm... a print HTML
00:49 < Wombert> let's assume your shop uses ajax, so you want to send the product data via JSON
00:49 < MrJeep> oh I see
00:49 < Wombert> you could set up a rule in the routing
00:49 < Wombert> that checks the Accept: HTTP header
00:49 < MrJeep> what's JSON ?
00:49 < Wombert> mmmh
00:49 < Wombert> http://json.org/
00:49 < MrJeep> keep going, i look on google
00:50 < Wombert> JSON is essentially a javascript expression you can eval() into a variable on the browser
00:50 < Wombert> let's assume the ajax interface needs a JSON object with the html to insert and some other info
00:50 < Wombert> you could add /json to each URL to trigger that output type
00:50 < Wombert> or you could read an HTTP header
00:50 < Wombert> etc etc
00:51 < MrJeep> wow
00:51 < Wombert> not the best example, really
00:51 < Wombert> a better one
00:51 < Wombert> LatestProductsAction, okay?
00:51 < Wombert> you already wrote the HTML version
00:51 < Wombert> now you want it as RSS
00:51 < Wombert> piece of cake :)
00:51 < Wombert> define a new output type
00:51 < Wombert> throw in one new template file
00:51 < Wombert> done!
00:51 < Wombert> :>
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00:52 < Wombert> but
00:52 < Wombert> of course, the framework must decide which output type to serve
00:52 < Wombert> the most convenient way is the routing
00:52 < Wombert> <route name="rss" pattern="/rss$" cut="true" stop="false" output_type="rss" />
00:52 < Wombert> at the top of routing.xml
00:52 < MrJeep> jeez, there is so much new stuff !
00:53 < Wombert> and tadaaa.... if the URL ends on /rss, the output type is set to "rss" (and that part is removed from the pattern for following rules, and processing doesn't stop)
00:53 < Wombert> <route pattern="application/xhtml+xml" source="_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT]" output_type="xhtml" stop="false" />
00:53 < Wombert> that's from the sample app
00:53 < Wombert> technically, it's nonsense... not necessary, at all
00:53 < Wombert> it's just to show that it's possible
00:55 < MrJeep> the action directory is gone ? (I'm looking at the sample right now)
00:55 < Wombert> action directory?
00:55 < MrJeep> err
00:55 < MrJeep> nevermind,
00:56 < MrJeep> i thought for a second I was in a module directory lol
00:57 < MrJeep> by the way, I'm not sure if I'm using the model properly
00:57 < MrJeep> i explain
00:58 < MrJeep> I made a DatabaseModel class which extends the default module and I hadded a couple of methods like hasData and getData
00:58 < MrJeep> then, in each module which loads data from the db, I create a model, extended from my DatabaseModel
00:58 < MrJeep> then whever I need, I can use getData to get my model data
00:59 < MrJeep> is is a proper way to use models ?
01:00 < Wombert> models represent business logic
01:00 < Wombert> interface to your database etc
01:00 < Wombert> for instance, you could have a model for products
01:00 < Wombert> to add a product
01:00 < Wombert> or modify it
01:01 < Wombert> I mostly use Propel instead of Agavi models
01:01 < Wombert> the sample app has a (very basic) PriceFinderModel
01:02 < MrJeep> ok
01:04 < MrJeep> where exacly do you store your words for the translation object
01:04 < MrJeep> sorry for asking so much question, I juste find the next update very interesting
01:04 < Wombert> no problem :)
01:05 < Wombert> you can write your own translators, it's very easy
01:05 < Wombert> right now, we bundle a GettextTranslator that can read gettext .mo files
01:05 < Wombert> you can define which translator to use per domain
01:05 < Wombert> $tm->_('This is a message', 'default.menu');
01:05 < Wombert> $tm->_('This is a message', 'default.categories');
01:06 < Wombert> the former could be read from a gettext file
01:06 < Wombert> the latter from the database
01:08 < MrJeep> sooo much new stuff
01:08 < MrJeep> this .11 is a giant step
01:08 < Wombert> yes, we added a lot of stuff
01:09 < Wombert> and we changed behavior often to guarantee consistency
01:09 < Wombert> I'm sure a lot of people won't like it
01:09 < Wombert> it's not as easy as symfony etc
01:09 < Wombert> but it really, really has so many advanced features now
01:09 < Wombert> what other framework allows you to just drop an XMLRPC interface onto an existing application
01:09 < MrJeep> 1 min.. googeling xmlrpc
01:10 < Wombert> web services
01:10 < Wombert> it's a server to server language
01:10 < Wombert> so your web application can talk to my web application
01:10 < Wombert> and get the price for a product or so
01:11 < MrJeep> oh ok now I understand hehe
01:11 < Wombert> or write an IRC bot that shares code with the web interface
01:11 < Wombert> ;)
01:12 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
01:12 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/ticket/333 : Ticket #333 (defect created): Number formatting is broken for Farsi (might be a RTL or CLDR issue)
01:14 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
01:14 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/ticket/335 : Ticket #335 (enhancement created): Add filtering capabilities to translators
01:14 < AgaviBot> 2) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/ticket/334 : Ticket #334 (task created): Change affects/depends/provides syntax in validators
01:15 < Wombert> but
01:15 < Wombert> I'm headed to bed now :)
01:15 < Wombert> see you tomorrow
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01:15 < MrJeep> see you
01:15 < MrJeep> thanks a lot
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01:49 < splatch`> MrJeep: Do you used Mojavi before? :)
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03:04 < MrJeep> hi
03:04 < MrJeep> I'm wondering how I can get the current version with snv ?
03:04 < MrJeep> svn*
03:06 < MrJeep> how can I download the source.. &
03:10 < kaos-> are you on windows?
03:11 < kaos-> then i would advise you to get tortoisesvn (tortoisesvn.tigris.org)
03:12 < kaos-> in *nix you need the subversion client to be installed
03:12 < kaos-> then checkout http://svn.agavi.org/trunk
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05:26 < MrJeep> hi again
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05:33 < Mr_Jeep> hi.. what's the svn command to download everything in the trunk ?
05:37 < Mr_Jeep> got it
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07:40 < pressureman> argh... this FPF stuff is driving me nuts
07:41 < pressureman> where did i put that copy of zend framework...
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07:52 < pressureman> hey wombert
07:52 < pressureman> i'm tearing my hair out over this one
07:53 < pressureman> i can't even get parameters working trying to put together a sample for ya
07:54 < pressureman> Wombert?
08:01 < pressureman> i can even pinpoint the exact lines of code, in the exact svn revision that broke my forms
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08:06 < Wombert> pressureman: I still think it's the action detection
08:06 < Wombert> give the form an id
08:07 < pressureman> it's in the second block of changes to AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php in svn 1067
08:07 < Wombert> then, instead of new AgaviparameterHolder, use array('formid' => new AgaviParameterHolder(...)) as the value
08:07 < pressureman> but it works fine for other forms!
08:07 < Wombert> yes,possibl
08:07 < Wombert> y
08:08 < pressureman> none of my other forms use form ids
08:09 < pressureman> humour me, just take a look at http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/1067
08:09 < Wombert> yes, it's not related to form ids
08:09 < Wombert> I just want to rule out that Agavi cannot detect the form
08:09 < pressureman> see the second block of changes, there are significant changes to that big if() statement
08:09 < Wombert> can you paste the code for the form
08:10 < Wombert> yes, that is exactly what I'm talking about
08:10 < pressureman> the html code or the php code?
08:11 < Wombert> the php template for the form
08:11 < Wombert> or smarty if it's smarty
08:13 < pressureman> http://pastebin.ca/223972
08:13 < Wombert> okay
08:13 < Wombert> now please the URL in the location bar for that form
08:13 < Wombert> and
08:13 < Wombert> the <form action="..."> line that is being generated
08:13 < Wombert> you should use $routing->gen() there btw
08:14 < pressureman> http://talk2-dev.btg.co.nz/admin/user/edit/6
08:14 < pressureman> <form action="/admin/user/edit/6" method="post">
08:15 < Wombert> now try that id thing
08:15 < pressureman> run that by me again
08:16 < Wombert> <form id="test123" ...
08:16 < Wombert> and
08:16 < Wombert> array('test123' => new AgaviParameterHolder(...))
08:16 < Wombert> as the value inthe view
08:16 < Wombert> hurry, I gotta hit the road soon ;)
08:17 < pressureman> you mean in the setAttribute('populate',....
08:17 < pressureman> ?
08:17 < Wombert> yes
08:18 < pressureman> seems to work
08:18 < pressureman> why?!? why do the other forms without ids work ok, and not this one?
08:20 < pressureman> i take it this is what you mean: http://pastebin.ca/223979
08:20 < pressureman> (for form id="fubar"
08:22 < Wombert> yes, exactly
08:23 < pressureman> so why has this only affected some forms?
08:23 < Wombert> it seems agavi cannot detect that the current URL and the URL in the form action are identical
08:23 < Wombert> good question
08:23 < pressureman> i mean, it's cool that it works now, but i'm baffled by this one
08:23 < pressureman> it is beer o'clock on a friday afternoon, and i could rather easily forget this ever happened, if need be ;-)
08:24 < pressureman> so it's obviously preferable to assign the form ids
08:24 < Wombert> mmmmh
08:24 < Wombert> no,no,no
08:24 < Wombert> it's probably a bug
08:24 < Wombert> does it re-populate properly on POST?
08:24 < Wombert> or don't you use any validation or so
08:24 < pressureman> aha... no it doesn't
08:25 < Wombert> see
08:25 < pressureman> yeah, i use validation
08:26 < pressureman> well, if it's a bug, it was introduced in 1067.
08:26 < pressureman> if that helps.
08:26 < Wombert> do you have a <base href> in the head?
08:27 < pressureman> yes
08:27 < pressureman> <base href="http://talk2-dev.btg.co.nz/" />
08:27 < Wombert> mmmh maybe the double slash
08:27 < Wombert> hmm
08:27 < Wombert> but it checks $action and $req->getUrl.... mmmmmmh
08:27 < pressureman> but another form is working with exactly the same base href
08:28 < pressureman> including repopulate
08:29 < Wombert> is there whitespace at the end or anything
08:29 < Wombert> of the form action
08:29 < pressureman> no
08:30 < pressureman> but yeah, i'm clutching at straws too now ;-)
08:31 < pressureman> don't worry about it right now... i'm satisfied that you suspect it's a bug
08:35 < Wombert> aaah
08:35 < Wombert> wait a minute
08:35 < Wombert> maybe I got it
08:35 < pressureman> sure hope so
08:36 < Wombert> mmmh
08:37 < Wombert> ...
08:37 < Wombert> holy crap
08:40 < pressureman> ?
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08:45 < Wombert> okay try that update there
08:45 < pressureman> my agavi is 1066 - is that likely to depend on anything else? like can i just update that one file?
08:46 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
08:46 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1196 : Changeset [1196]: (hopefully) improved form action detection a bit
08:46 < pressureman> otherwise i need to update my content-types.xml
08:46 < pressureman> output types i mean
08:46 < pressureman> hmm, ok
08:46 < pressureman> just updated AgaviFormPopulationFilter
08:46 < pressureman> works
08:47 < pressureman> repopulation works
08:47 < pressureman> all without form ids
08:47 < Wombert> YESSSS
08:47 < Wombert> :>
08:47 < pressureman> so what was the cause?
08:47 < Wombert> not sure why it didn't work
08:48 < pressureman> just took another hit on the crackpipe and rewrote it?
08:48 < Wombert> you say form action="..." was /blah ?
08:48 < Wombert> yes :D
08:48 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/changeset/1196
08:48 < pressureman> mmm regexes
08:48 < pressureman> fun
08:48 < Wombert> might have been the last comparison there
08:48 < Wombert> double slashes and all
08:49 < pressureman> ok i'll try updating my whole agavi dist to HEAD then...
08:49 < pressureman> hopefully won't find any more bugs
08:50 < pressureman> wowee look at all those locales
08:51 < pressureman> ok, the prepoplation works with agavi HEAD
08:51 < Wombert> :D
08:51 < Wombert> look at the timeline
08:52 < Wombert> watch out for BREAKING CHANGE notices
08:52 < Wombert> validation syntax changed a bit
08:52 < pressureman> even the big old <textarea> fields
08:52 < pressureman> yeah, all my validators are broken...
08:52 < pressureman> but now that the forms are working, i can move forward again
08:52 < pressureman> time to update my validators
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08:55 < pressureman> what exactly is the syntax change in validators?
08:55 < pressureman> parameters change to arguments?
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08:58 < Wombert> pressureman: yes
08:58 < Wombert> v-dogg: can you help pressureman with the changed validators syntax
08:58 < Wombert> I really gotta hurry now
08:58 < Wombert> catch you in half an hour or so
08:58 < Wombert> if there is no traffic jam
08:58 < pressureman> go go... thanks for your help
08:58 < Wombert> and if the wifi works :D
08:58 < Wombert> sure
08:58 < Wombert> see ya later man
08:58 < pressureman> cya
08:58 < Wombert> stay online if you can I'llbe back as soon as I can
08:59 < pressureman> ok
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08:59 < v-dogg> Wombert, pressureman: sure
08:59 < v-dogg> how far have you got?
08:59 < pressureman> i've just done a search and replace on "parameter" to "argument"
09:00 < pressureman> at least the xml validates now, but the form seems to think it hasn't validated
09:00 < pressureman> are there any sample of a validator you could point me to?
09:02 < v-dogg> just a sec, I'll paste one of my .xml
09:03 < v-dogg> pastebin.ca/224035
09:04 < v-dogg> what doesn't get validated? do you have required attributes?
09:04 < pressureman> wow that's really different syntax
09:04 < v-dogg> note that there are inner validators
09:05 < pressureman> maybe if i paste my current validator... you can point out what needs to change
09:05 < pressureman> then i can apply that technique to all my others
09:05 < v-dogg> I'll go make some coffee
09:06 < pressureman> heh
09:06 < pressureman> http://pastebin.ca/224043
09:06 < pressureman> don't worry, it's tiny
09:09 < v-dogg> <parameter name="param">username</... to <arguments><argument>username</argument>...
09:09 < v-dogg> <parameter name="error" ... to <errors><error [for="min|max|foo]>Error message</error ...
09:10 < v-dogg> other parameters (min, max and so on) untouched
09:10 < v-dogg> and <validator .. required="false"> if it's not required
09:11 < v-dogg> required="true" is now implied
09:11 < v-dogg> (but in the end it's up to the validator to handle it)
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09:14 < pressureman> how doees http://pastebin.ca/224058 look?
09:15 < v-dogg> ok
09:15 < pressureman> hmm, can't be write, getting a php error
09:16 < v-dogg> what error?
09:16 < pressureman> Fatal error: Argument 1 passed to AgaviConfigHandler::orderConfigurations() must not be null, called in /usr/share/php/agavi/config/AgaviValidatorConfigHandler.class.php on line 75 and defined in /usr/share/php/agavi/config/AgaviConfigHandler.class.php on line 238
09:16 < v-dogg> huh...
09:17 < pressureman> typo
09:17 < pressureman> several in fact ;-)
09:17 < v-dogg> heh
09:17 < pressureman> umm, the error for a regex should be <error for="pattern"> ?
09:18 < v-dogg> let's see..
09:18 < v-dogg> it's up to the validator
09:18 < v-dogg> no
09:18 < pressureman> just <error>blah</error>
09:19 < pressureman> seems to do what i intend
09:19 < v-dogg> if you look at the source of string validator and regexp validator you'll see that regexp validator uses only one "anonym" error message whereas string validator uses 'min' and 'max'
09:20 < v-dogg> one day... we'll have documentation for these things...
09:20 < v-dogg> and what a beautiful day that will be :)
09:21 < splatch`> hello
09:21 < pressureman> API has to stabilise first
09:21 < splatch`> & *yawn*^n!
09:21 < pressureman> i owe a great deal to david and you guys, so once the API does settle, i'll repay my debt by writing some tutorials
09:22 < pressureman> then you guys can poke holes in my tutorial and say how it really should be done ;-)
09:23 < v-dogg> hehe
09:26 < codecop> :)
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09:29 < horros_> morning
09:31 < codecop> windy morning
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10:03 < Wombert> re
10:03 < v-dogg> re
10:03 < pressureman> it's alllll good
10:03 < horros_> re
10:03 < eremit> morning
10:03 < v-dogg> splendid
10:03 < pressureman> i'm just nuking some braincells rewriting my validators
10:04 < eremit> Wombert, are you there and have time for a routing question ?
10:05 < Wombert> eremit: quickly
10:05 < eremit> i have a lighttp + rewrite (from cookbook) setup ...
10:05 < eremit> but how can i prevent the index.php from being parsed into the url by gen() ?
10:06 < Wombert> the rewrite is in place?
10:07 < eremit> yeah and works ...
10:08 < Wombert> that would be a bug then
10:08 < eremit> but after the first link (generated by gen() ) the index.php is reparsed
10:08 < Wombert> did you use the same rewrite rule as described in the cookbook
10:08 < Wombert> I tested that with fastcgi and normal cgi I think and it worked for me (see test case)
10:09 < eremit> yeah i used exactly the same
10:09 < Wombert> with an alias or anything?
10:10 < eremit> nop
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10:13 < Wombert> I just tested it again
10:13 < Wombert> works without any problems here
10:13 < Wombert> must be something about your config :(
10:13 < eremit> hmm ... kk i'll try it again ...
10:13 < Wombert> not much I can do
10:14 < Wombert> I can send you my lighty config if you want
10:14 < eremit> i don't think the problem lies within lighty ...
10:15 < eremit> because it works like a charm ... only gen() generates the index.php in the routes
10:15 < eremit> (my custom routes i used hardcoded are working)
10:15 < Wombert> http://www.phpfi.com/168183
10:15 < Wombert> good luck
10:15 < Wombert> ... yes that means the request URI is wrong or something
10:15 < Wombert> it's not a gen() problem
10:16 < Wombert> l8rs
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10:21 < pressureman> i'm off... thanks for the validator help v-dogg... just gotta plod my way through them now
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10:36 * Wombert slaps v-dogg
10:36 < Wombert> #propel!
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10:44 < KarlKoch> good morning from Braunschweig, Germany ;)
10:47 < eremit> uh ... good morning ^^ ... stormy day isn't it ? :)
10:49 < KarlKoch> yes really.. i nearly flow away on my bike.. (on my way to work )
10:50 < eremit> yeah ... i gladly can work at home today ;) ... but the night was a horror over here
10:51 < Wombert> stormy
10:51 < Wombert> haha
10:51 < Wombert> wrong part of the country,folks
10:51 < Wombert> move to bavaria ;)
10:51 < Wombert> the girls are nicer
10:51 < Wombert> the accent doesn#t suck as much
10:51 < Wombert> the weather is good
10:51 < Wombert> the wages are higher
10:51 < Wombert> and it's not all flat and boring
10:51 < horros_> haha
10:52 < Wombert> I'm serious
10:52 < Wombert> whenever I'm up there in the north
10:52 < Wombert> I get seriously depressed
10:52 < horros_> apparently we're getting a bit of snow this weekend
10:52 < Wombert> nice
10:52 < horros_> that'll be interesting
10:52 < Wombert> time for the spike tires ;)
10:52 < KarlKoch> bavaria - the land out of germany ?? i heard of it..
10:52 < horros_> last year when the first snow came, there were about 30-or-so crashes where I live :)
10:52 < KarlKoch> some time ago ;)
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10:53 < Wombert> v-dogg: 1.3 branch better?
10:56 < v-dogg> didn't try it yet
10:56 < eremit> haha the mountain folk is losing ground against the northern ones :P
10:57 < Wombert> ...
10:58 < Wombert> there's no need for me to argue
10:58 < Wombert> the statistics prove me right
10:58 < Wombert> munich is #1 in terms of overall living quality
10:58 < Wombert> the playboy once determined that munich has the most beautiful girls
10:58 < Wombert> the economic statistics... you know them ;)
10:58 < splatch`> propel is dead :|
10:59 < Wombert> the weather...
10:59 < Wombert> and did I mention we suck less than the rest of germany? :DDD
10:59 < Wombert> splatch`: yes I hear it suffered from cardiac arrest
10:59 < Wombert> http://propel.phpdb.org/trac/changeset/384 works for me
11:00 < eremit> :P ... for me it's quite simple, i'm 50:50 northern/southern ... lived in both areas and like the north more
11:00 < splatch`> Wombert: does developers going to commit an changes? :)
11:01 < Wombert> splatch`: yes, when I have the time
11:01 < Wombert> I'm a bit busy with agavi, you know
11:01 < Wombert> anyway
11:01 < splatch`> one commit per week ;)
11:01 < Wombert> bbl
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11:26 < KarlKoch> how can i create the .po (language files) on my windows system ?
11:26 < KarlKoch> i can't find a tool like kbabel for win..
11:27 < eremit> http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=windows+po+file+editor&btnG=Suche&meta=
11:27 < eremit> -> http://www.poedit.org/
11:28 < KarlKoch> okay -- thx..
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12:08 < KarlKoch> is the pear installer working for agavi ?
12:08 < KarlKoch> i tried it but got an install failed error..
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12:19 < Wombert> re
12:22 < KarlKoch> i've a question about the pear installer..
12:22 < KarlKoch> for me it is not working ..
12:22 < KarlKoch> it breaks with the error - missing remote packages for agavi
12:23 < Wombert> yes
12:23 < Wombert> probably
12:24 < KarlKoch> how can i start with the quickstart tutorial - which files to i need to copy?
12:24 < KarlKoch> ups... to = do
12:31 < Wombert> quickstart tutorial?
12:31 < Wombert> uuuh
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12:35 < KarlKoch> this one http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/QuickStart
12:36 < Wombert> uh
12:36 < Wombert> read the manual instead
12:40 < horros_> Wombert: 12:33 <@stu> horros_: can you check with your friend is mission is accomplished :)
12:40 < Wombert> horros_: didn't he get my email?
12:41 < Wombert> the part didn't arrive at the dealer yesterday
12:41 < horros_> :(
12:41 < Wombert> I wanted to call them later and check if it arrived today, as they promised
12:41 < Wombert> I actually sent him two emails!?
12:41 < Wombert> gonna call them now
12:42 < Wombert> okay they have it
12:42 < horros_> good stuff
12:42 < KarlKoch> okay.. i'll try with the manual -- thx..
12:43 < Wombert> horros_: so did he get my emails?
12:43 < horros_> apparently not
12:43 < horros_> he says he's been losing a lot of email lately
12:43 < Wombert> horros_: I'll pick it up at the dealer at about 3pm
12:43 < Wombert> does he have another email address
12:43 < horros_> I'll ask
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13:00 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
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13:13 < KarlKoch> thx for the trac update..
13:13 < Wombert> I cleaned up the wiki and removed a lot of very outdated pages
13:13 < Wombert> l8rs guys
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13:44 < KarlKoch> is it possible to use a template system like fasttemplate with agavi ?
13:45 < KarlKoch> i don't want to mix up php/ html code
13:46 < v-dogg> currently there are smarty, phptal and XSL renderers (I have no idea how well phptal and XSL work)
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13:47 < v-dogg> BUT you can easily (well, quite easily :) write your own renderer
13:47 < v-dogg> so the answer to your question is yes, but you have to implement the renderer yourself
13:48 < KarlKoch> okay.. for the beginning for me to complex - but later maybe
13:48 < v-dogg> use smarty
13:48 < KarlKoch> okay..
13:48 < v-dogg> or just php :)
13:49 < KarlKoch> *fg* - for the first steps i'll do with php .
13:49 < v-dogg> and you'll probably notice that it's not that bad
13:50 < KarlKoch> yes maybe - normally i use the rfasttemplate class
13:52 < v-dogg> Wombert: propel 1.3 w/ autoloading works
13:52 < v-dogg> really nice
13:52 < Wombert> sweet
13:53 < Wombert> php is okay for templates if you use the alternative syntax
13:53 < v-dogg> but what's going on with propel now? is 1.3 still being developed or only 2.0?
13:53 < Wombert> <?php foreach($foo as $bar): ... endforeach; ?>
13:53 < Wombert> both, v-dogg
13:53 < v-dogg> good
13:54 < v-dogg> I need to start two smaller in-house projects and I'm going to use 1.3 & PDO for them
13:54 < v-dogg> and if everything goes well, I'll update the "main" project to 1.3 soon
14:03 < Wombert> :>
14:03 < Wombert> remember that currently, all columns are returned as strings
14:04 < v-dogg> hmm... ok
14:04 < v-dogg> are dates returned as "int" or "YYYY-DD-MM ..." ?
14:05 < Wombert> no idea
14:05 < Wombert> try :>
14:05 < Wombert> I liked the fact how Propel used to return casted values
14:06 < Wombert> and I'd like to see that back
14:06 < v-dogg> me too
14:06 < Wombert> good for JSON and XMLRPC,too
14:06 < Wombert> there is a thread on the dev maling list
14:06 < Wombert> maybe you wanna chime in and say "I want that back for 1.3"
14:06 < Wombert> I can sit downat the php conf then with hans and build it
14:07 < v-dogg> it might stay like that? so it's not just a development version issue but a planned feature?
14:09 < v-dogg> woot... ddl generated by propel doesn't have primary keys
14:09 < v-dogg> only in one table where the primary key is an autoincrement integer
14:13 < Wombert> ewww?
14:13 < Wombert> :S
14:14 < Wombert> good news btw, basic caching works again
14:14 < v-dogg> have I ever told you that you rock?-)
14:14 < Wombert> including headers, status code, cookies etc already! woot!
14:14 < Wombert> :>
14:14 < Wombert> heh yeah I think so
14:14 < Wombert> thanks
14:14 < Wombert> you need a hug, my friend
14:14 < v-dogg> what about session cookies? they can't be cached
14:15 < Wombert> and they won't ;)
14:15 < Wombert> because we have these modular responses
14:15 < v-dogg> only cookies set in response?
14:15 < Wombert> in the current response, yes
14:15 < Wombert> it's cached entirely
14:15 < v-dogg> nice
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14:15 < Wombert> cookies have a lifetime, not an expiry date, in agavi, so even that works
14:16 < Wombert> !hug v-dogg
14:16 * AgaviBot hugs v-dogg
14:17 < v-dogg> :)
14:18 * splatch` kicks AgaviBot
14:18 < AgaviBot> splatch`: ouch! That hurt! What the hell is wrong with you man, I'm checking feeds right now, stop bothering me :(
14:18 < splatch`> ;_
14:18 < splatch`> ;)
14:18 < splatch`> !hug AgaviBot
14:18 * AgaviBot hugs AgaviBot
14:18 < splatch`> "
14:18 < splatch`> :]
14:18 < v-dogg> now now, let's not over-do this :)
14:18 < Wombert> bbl
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15:37 < KarlKoch> can anybody explain me how to include a database like mysql in the sample app.. am i right when i edit the AgaviSampleAppUser.class.php for this purpose ?
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16:31 < horros> hooray for friday afternoon fuckups!
16:31 * horros just broke the whole domain
16:32 < horros> :(
16:32 < v-dogg> have a nice weekend :)
16:33 < horros> shush
16:35 < horros> k, works again
16:35 < horros> this is so strange
16:35 < horros> I can add an IN A -record just fine
16:35 < horros> but if I add a MX 0 server.name.here. -line, everything breaks :(
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17:05 < Wombert> horros: ping
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17:06 < splatch`> horros: pong
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17:58 < Whisller> hi
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18:07 < MrJeep> hi again
18:15 < MrJeep> is there a way to read the manual except a code editor ?
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18:29 < MrJeep> nevermind ;P
18:44 < Karl_Koch> anybody using outlook 2000 -
18:45 < Karl_Koch> i have to test a newsletter script, which seems to work well on all other clients
18:58 < Wombert> http://www.forgetfoo.com/?blogid=7356
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21:15 < Wombert> test
21:16 < splatch`> !hug Wombert
21:16 < splatch`> Where's AgaviBot? :(
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22:20 < MrJeep> questoin
22:21 < MrJeep> is the current code good enough to start develop with ?
22:21 < raidman> MrJeep, as what Wombert saied, yes
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22:23 < MrJeep> oh srry, didnt see that
22:23 < MrJeep> then I have some question about the action :D
22:24 < MrJeep> is executeWrite only called when there is a POST request and executeRead when there is a get request ?
22:24 < raidman> right
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22:25 < raidman> you can drop all logics for POST request in executeWrite and etc
22:25 < MrJeep> so there is no need anymore to specify a request method
22:25 < raidman> impl, wb :)
22:25 < raidman> no
22:25 < impl> Hey
22:26 < impl> Unnhh, what a week
22:26 < Wombert> MrJeep: yes but you can customize that
22:26 * impl looks at Wombert apologetically
22:26 < Wombert> impl: hmmh?
22:26 < Wombert> impl: how were your midterms
22:26 < impl> I never got to downloading all those songs you sent me, and I lost all the links
22:26 < Wombert> or whatever they are called
22:26 < Wombert> xD
22:26 < Wombert> query
22:26 < impl> k :P
22:26 < impl> My midterms were hellish
22:26 < raidman> hey Wombert :)
22:26 < impl> I stayed after school to finish them
22:27 < raidman> MrJeep, you know I'm newbie then you can ask your questions to Wombert :)
22:27 < MrJeep> hehe, I would'nt want to overload him with all my questions
22:28 < Wombert> no problem, I'm happy to help
22:28 < Wombert> after all, it probably makes you guys excited
22:28 < Wombert> so you run out and spread the word :)
22:28 < Wombert> fine with me
22:28 < Wombert> anyways
22:29 < lukoko> is there built-in smarty renderer in agavi?
22:29 < Wombert> yes, POST is mapped to "write" and GET to "read" by default
22:29 < Wombert> lukoko: of course
22:29 < MrJeep> yhea, I've allready done taht, spreading the words
22:29 < Wombert> MrJeep: as you already noted, there's no more getRequestMethods()
22:29 < Wombert> it now works a little different
22:30 < Wombert> an execute() method indicates that the action serves ALL request methods
22:30 < MrJeep> yhea i've noticed that (I downloaded the code yesterday)
22:30 < Wombert> and executeWrite delcares that the action serves write etc
22:30 < Wombert> note that you're free to change the names
22:30 < Wombert> e.g. "CRUD" is a common term (create, retrieve, update, delete)
22:30 < Wombert> so you could map POST to "update" etc
22:30 < Wombert> whatever you like
22:31 < MrJeep> which config file ?
22:31 < Wombert> the reason for that is that on the console, you have neither GET nor POST
22:31 < Wombert> and XMLRPC is always POST
22:31 < Wombert> etc
22:31 < Wombert> so we needed to abstract that stuff
22:31 < MrJeep> good idea
22:31 < Wombert> (we're the first framework I know to do that by the way)
22:31 < Wombert> you can tell the request implementation to use different names
22:33 < Wombert> <request class="AgaviWebRequest">
22:33 < Wombert> <parameters>
22:33 < Wombert> <parameter name="method_names">
22:33 < Wombert> <parameters>
22:33 < Wombert> <parameter name="GET">retrieve</parameter>
22:33 < Wombert> <parameter name="POST">update</parameter>
22:36 < MrJeep> I see
22:36 < Wombert> I will change the web request so it is capable of dealing with RESTful stuff, too
22:36 < Wombert> i.e. HTTP PUT and HTTP DELETE
22:37 < raidman> Wombert, <parameter name="DELETE">delete</ .... too?
22:37 < raidman> you mean?
22:38 < Wombert> yes but there will, of course, be defaults for that again
22:38 < Wombert> this configuration stuff is optional
22:40 < MrJeep> what's http put and delete ?
22:40 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REST
22:41 < Wombert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP#Request_methods
22:42 < MrJeep> in other words... <form method="put" ??
22:45 < MrJeep> there is so much new stuff I have to learn...
22:45 < MrJeep> jeez..
22:45 < MrJeep> where do you guys gets all those idea when you'r building a framework
22:46 < MrJeep> a web request, a rest request
22:47 < kaos> most of these ideas come from specific needs
22:49 < MrJeep> once again, all I think of is "wow"
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23:11 < Wombert> MrJeep: no no no!
23:12 < Wombert> <form method="POST"
23:12 < Wombert> as usual
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23:12 < Wombert> but an http request method POST is mapped to the internal identifier "write"
23:12 < Wombert> so you can build an XMLRPC interface (remember, XMLRPC is always an HTTP request via POST with instructrions on what to run in the body) and your stuff still works
23:18 < splatch`> hmm
23:18 < splatch`> Wombert: do you going to add support for soap in Agavi? :)
23:19 < Wombert> yes
23:19 < Wombert> there is a ticket for it
23:19 < Wombert> ...
23:19 < splatch`> Wombert: Are you need help? :]
23:20 < Wombert> nope, I just didn't have time yet
23:20 < Wombert> I actually started on it already
23:20 < Wombert> I also have the REST stuff lying around, I just need a free minute or so
23:20 < Wombert> maybe tomorrow
23:20 < Wombert> thanks :)
23:20 < splatch`> splatch is needless :|
23:20 < splatch`> ;(((
23:21 * splatch` depression
23:21 < Wombert> ewww
23:21 < Wombert> gotta run
23:21 < Wombert> l8rs
23:21 < MrJeep> I guess I'll have to study this REST think to really know what exacly this is.. there is so much stuff in the web today hehe
23:21 < MrJeep> cya
23:25 < splatch`> MrJeep: what's rest? That only query string and xml response :)
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23:58 < Wombert> re
23:58 < splatch`> er :)
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00:35 * Wombert slaps impl
00:35 < impl> OW!
00:35 < Wombert> !
00:35 < impl> oh, sorry :P
00:35 < Wombert> :>
00:38 < splatch`> blah
00:38 < splatch`> kazek drinkin' now
00:38 < splatch`> again? ;)
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11:48 < sho[a]n> wtf...did the agavi mailserver all of sudden wake up?
11:48 < sho[a]n> got 108 mails today
11:51 < Karl_Koch> omg .. that's a lot ..
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12:20 < sho[a]n> v-dogg: hows it going?
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12:40 < v-dogg> huomenta
12:40 < v-dogg> sho[a]n: ok, thanks
12:40 < v-dogg> what's going down in India
12:41 * Wombert yawns
12:42 < v-dogg> morning Wombert
12:42 < v-dogg> what's going down in Germany
12:42 < Wombert> uh
12:42 < Wombert> holy crap
12:42 < Wombert> did dominik do the mailing lists or what!?
12:42 < Wombert> nice
12:43 < Wombert> or
12:43 < Wombert> hmm
12:43 < Wombert> noooo
12:43 * Wombert scratches head
12:44 < sho[a]n> Wombert: got 108 (trac+commits) mails
12:45 < Wombert> yes
12:45 < Wombert> trac mails are very recent
12:45 < Wombert> svn aren't
12:46 < sho[a]n> my last mail was on 22/9
12:47 < Wombert> oO
12:49 < sho[a]n> Wombert: nope the commit mail on 22/9 was r1059
12:49 < sho[a]n> the first mail today is r1060
12:50 < sho[a]n> the last trac mail was for #327
12:50 < sho[a]n> the first one today was for #329
12:50 < Wombert> mine was for 336
12:51 < Wombert> from bob's server!
12:51 < Wombert> wtf!?
12:56 < v-dogg> why doesn't this piece of junk let me access my windows partition
12:56 < Wombert> the good linux?
12:56 < Wombert> whaahha
12:56 < Wombert> www.apple.com/getamac/works.html
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13:51 < sho[a]n> v-dogg: what error do you get?
13:51 < sho[a]n> ntfs?
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14:45 < v-dogg> sho[a]n: yes, ntfs
15:11 < codecop> hi all
15:11 < codecop> u are using uml2php5 export?
15:11 < codecop> in DIA uml
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16:31 < sho[a]n> v-dogg: did you get it working?
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18:32 < Whisller> Hi :)
18:51 < v-dogg> evening
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19:48 < epaulin> http://www.symfony-project.com/weblog/2006/10/28/yahoo-bookmarks-uses-symfony.html
19:51 < Whisller> o
19:55 < epaulin> not unobtrusive, yahoo bookmark sucks. xD
19:55 < Whisller> hmm
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22:10 < Wombert> mmmh nice
22:10 < Wombert> v-dogg: you should sue yahoo
22:10 < Wombert> xD
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22:56 < splatch`> omg, my head
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22:56 < ttj> OMG, my school work is going to hell.
22:58 < splatch`> ttj: why? :)
22:58 < ttj> One word: work.
22:58 < splatch`> time?
22:58 < ttj> I've been putting work ahead of my studies and now it's starting to bite me in the arse.
23:00 < splatch`> ttj: i've school and work too.
23:00 < ttj> What's your secret? How do you balance things?
23:01 < splatch`> i don't balance, monday-friday work
23:02 < splatch`> saturday and sunday school
23:02 < ttj> Ouch.
23:03 < splatch`> twice per month
23:03 < ttj> What're you studying?
23:03 < splatch`> computer science, first year
23:04 < ttj> Ok.
23:04 < splatch`> ttj: and you?
23:04 < splatch`> :)
23:05 < ttj> Majoring in computer science (focusing on software business), 3rd year.
23:06 < ttj> And this whole Bologna process is biting me in the arse too.
23:07 < ttj> The change from Finnish ov (study credits) to ECTS conversion set me back a bit.
23:10 < ttj> Anyway, time to go read more Kotler & Keller.
23:11 < splatch`> must back to work
23:11 < splatch`> *I must
23:17 < Wombert> ttj: oh, putting work ahead of studies bit you in the arse
23:17 < Wombert> good to know
23:17 < Wombert> since that's what I do :D
23:18 < ttj> Wombert: Well, it's ok as long as you find a balance, I would guess.
23:18 < ttj> But right now I've been blatantly disregarding my studies.
23:18 < Wombert> just like me
23:20 < ttj> :-)
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23:59 < splatch`> Warning: DOMDocument::loadXML() Entity 'nbsp' not defined
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03:54 < Wombert> splatch`: yes, of course
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07:52 < v-dogg> huomenta
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08:51 < v-dogg> morning lukoko
08:51 < lukoko> hi
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08:54 < v-dogg> what's up
08:54 < impl> Too... early/late...
08:55 < lukoko> What does it mean "couple" in English?
08:56 < lukoko> Say "Agavi took a couple of days off." in agavi.org..
08:57 < v-dogg> a few days, but apparently it took longer than anyone expected :)
08:57 < lukoko> ok
09:04 < v-dogg> what OS do you guys use?
09:08 < lukoko> i use linux and windows
09:09 < v-dogg> what do you use for development on linux?
09:09 < lukoko> scite
09:10 < impl> Mm, scite is nice
09:11 < lukoko> some people say that nusphere is good for php developing.
09:11 < lukoko> i have never tried it..
09:11 < impl> If you're looking for a big IDE, I highly recommend Eclipse + Zend's PHPIDE
09:12 < v-dogg> I use Zend Studio on Windows
09:12 < impl> Does Zend still look like ass?
09:12 < impl> I haven't used it since like 2.6
09:12 < v-dogg> I've also tried nusphere but there was something that I didn't like about it
09:13 < impl> Mm
09:14 < impl> Zend doesn't look too bad
09:14 < impl> Would look better if it used SWT though
09:18 < v-dogg> uhm... I'm so lost with this ubuntu :)
09:19 < eremit> morning
09:19 < eremit> can i help you v-dogg ?
09:19 < kaos> <v-dogg> uhm... I'm so lost with this ubuntu :) <-- you remember that url wombert posted yesterday ? :D
09:19 < kaos> i can only agree (sadly, but i have to)
09:19 < kaos> this fcuking ubuntu shit
09:19 < eremit> oO
09:20 < kaos> doesn't even let me run 1680x1050
09:20 < kaos> stupid "frickelscheisse"
09:20 < kaos> :D
09:20 < eremit> kaos you're doing something wrong ...
09:20 < v-dogg> hehe
09:20 < kaos> nop
09:20 < kaos> es
09:20 < kaos> if you look at the amount of threads
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09:21 < kaos> regarding widescreen and intel i8xx or i9xx chipsets
09:21 < kaos> you can definitly see that something is severely broken there ;D
09:21 < eremit> uh ... maybe consider buying a real graphics card ?
09:21 < kaos> no
09:21 < kaos> thats a dell pc
09:21 < kaos> its quiet
09:21 < eremit> yeah, here too ...
09:21 < kaos> and it shall stay so ;)
09:21 < epaulin> Debian SID + ZDE
09:22 < eremit> and i have an i9x chipset too ... but bought a ati x600 together with the comp
09:22 < kaos> well, i have debian (from stable to unstable) everywhere
09:22 < kaos> where i don't have to "work"
09:23 < kaos> i'm just not a linux desktop fan
09:23 < eremit> uh ... i just removed debian everywhere :P ...even the servers ...
09:23 < kaos> lol :D
09:23 < kaos> and replaced it with ?
09:23 < kaos> mac os X server ?
09:23 < kaos> :P
09:23 < epaulin> I use debian everywhere too, including my desktop, xD
09:23 < eremit> servers with ubuntu 6.06 lts ...
09:23 < kaos> omg ^^
09:23 < eremit> which basically is debian ...
09:23 < kaos> yah
09:23 < kaos> basicly ;)
09:24 < eremit> hey ... runs smooth ...
09:24 < kaos> thats what my debian does too ;)
09:24 < eremit> ah in the server installations the only difference is in the packages ... :P
09:24 < kaos> i guess my router would be running for 3 or 4 years now
09:24 < epaulin> I only have one ubuntu installed for my friends, cause i can;t find a debian install CD, :-)
09:24 < kaos> if i wouldn't have been in holidays in between
09:24 < kaos> and thats debian unstable
09:24 < kaos> (which is really unstable ... because it fucks up with kinda everything on almopst every update :D)
09:25 < kaos> lol epaulin :]
09:25 < eremit> yeah and that's the reason for me leaving debian ...
09:25 < eremit> gentoo was nice (tried it on 2 servers) but it's a time sink ...
09:25 < epaulin> why not use stable for server?
09:25 < kaos> <epaulin> why not use stable for server? <-- thats what i do
09:25 < eremit> no php5 ... epaulin ?
09:25 < kaos> eremit: agavi.org
09:25 < kaos> runs on debian stable
09:25 < epaulin> build you self
09:25 < kaos> nope
09:25 < v-dogg> I can't even remember how to switch between desktops anymore :)
09:26 < kaos> dotdeb.org
09:26 < epaulin> nice
09:26 < kaos> backports.org
09:26 < kaos> all you need ;)
09:26 < epaulin> yeah, i use backports.org for my test server
09:26 < eremit> yea ... but our internal firm policy says ... servers are required to have clean repositories ...
09:26 < kaos> (ok, i had to install trac per hand ... but i can really live with that :D)
09:26 < eremit> only distribution ones allowed :P
09:26 < kaos> nice company :D
09:26 < eremit> that's why i went to ubuntu :P
09:26 < kaos> well, backports.org
09:26 < kaos> are official packets
09:27 < kaos> just recompiled
09:27 < kaos> (in the most basic sense ;o)
09:27 < kaos> or whatever
09:27 < eremit> basically yes ... but it's not an official repository :P
09:27 < kaos> (did i mention, that i just got home from partying ? :D)
09:27 < epaulin> :-)
09:27 < eremit> and backporting myself ? ... omg then i could also install gentoo :P
09:27 < kaos> :D
09:27 < kaos> definitly
09:27 < eremit> loool ... it's 8.3o am ... nice party huh?
09:28 < kaos> yah
09:28 < kaos> normal stuff
09:28 < kaos> techno/electro ^^
09:28 < eremit> Oo
09:28 < kaos> if you'd be crazy
09:28 < kaos> you'd go to the afterhour now
09:28 < kaos> and for the completely crazy
09:28 < kaos> we had an after after hour in munich during summer
09:28 < kaos> sunday 6pm- monday open end
09:29 < kaos> thats how you party! \o/
09:29 < eremit> omfg ...
09:29 < kaos> its just insane
09:29 < kaos> ppl stuff their bodies with drugs
09:29 < kaos> just to be able to handle that ^^
09:29 < eremit> bah ...
09:30 < kaos> yup
09:30 < kaos> thats why i am at home now :D
09:30 < kaos> my body just doesn't want to move anymore
09:30 < kaos> not a single step
09:30 < kaos> (i wonder if i even will make it to bed from my pc :D)
09:30 < eremit> hrhr ... you lucky one .. i had to get up at 6am just to ensure our sms daemon works correctly after the time change :/
09:31 < kaos> :s
09:31 < v-dogg> hehe
09:31 < kaos> well, almost as good as me once
09:31 < kaos> waiting for the sysadmin
09:31 < v-dogg> guys.. how do I switch between desktops?-)
09:31 < kaos> at 1 at night
09:31 < kaos> you mean between ttys ?
09:31 < eremit> v-dogg ... alt+f X ?
09:32 < eremit> kaos: 1 at night ... definately to early for a sysadmin to work :P
09:32 < kaos> yah
09:32 < eremit> <-- night shift starts at 3 am
09:32 < kaos> and quite funny waiting 3 hours
09:32 < v-dogg> no, not ttys, workspaces
09:32 < kaos> for nobody to show up ^^
09:32 < eremit> v-dogg: at least for me alt + f-key works in the desktop env ...
09:32 < eremit> ah ... try strg + f-key
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09:33 < kaos> www.apple.com/getamac/works.html
09:33 < kaos> !
09:33 < kaos> :p
09:33 < v-dogg> dammit...
09:33 < kaos> that remembers of those bad quakenet jokes
09:33 < kaos> press alt-f4 to get some cheat in counterstrike
09:34 < kaos> \ooo/
09:34 < eremit> kaos: i would like to buy a mac ... but's atm it's a bit to expensive for me ...
09:34 < kaos> same for me
09:34 < kaos> i would have bought one
09:34 < eremit> and working with a hacked mac os is nothing really funny ... even if my hardware is fully supported (thx dell)
09:35 < kaos> but for now
09:35 < kaos> i'm stuck to xp
09:35 < kaos> "stuck"
09:36 < eremit> :( ... i was stuck to it last semester ... because our university software only worked on mac or windows :/
09:36 < kaos> you see, your university knows whats good for you :P
09:37 < eremit> :P ... buying a mac without money is not good ...
09:37 < kaos> well, a mac mini
09:37 < kaos> is actually really affordable
09:37 < eremit> and their decision to remove the fully working hpux installation and installing a windows network was senseless
09:37 < kaos> but i just don't have any money for pc upgrades (which i don't need anyways)
09:37 < eremit> sure but why should i trade my superior dell pc with a slow mac mini ?
09:38 < kaos> because IT JUST WORKS
09:38 < kaos> :D
09:38 < eremit> :D ... i had to decide between buying a mac on my own ...
09:38 < kaos> ^^
09:38 < kaos> btw
09:39 < eremit> or to get 2x dell dimension 5150c (p4-3.4, 2gig ram each) from my firm :P
09:39 < kaos> compiling the timezone data
09:39 < kaos> ONLY takes 2.5 minutes
09:39 < eremit> the decision was made easy
09:39 < kaos> should be recompile those files when debug is on ? :P
09:40 < kaos> (which is the way i am currently working \o/)
09:40 < kaos> this feels even worse then c++ at times :D
09:40 < v-dogg> so far I haven't seen any proofs that mac's wouldn't cost a hell of a lot more than a pc laptop with the same hardware
09:40 < kaos> there i at least have precompiled headers and shit *gg*
09:41 < eremit> v-dogg: there is no proof because a mac isn't really more expensive ...
09:41 < kaos> (oh, and if i'd put all the timezone data in 1 file
09:41 < kaos> that file would be > 1 mb)
09:42 < eremit> Oo
09:42 < kaos> yah
09:42 < kaos> all nice stuff for speed
09:42 < kaos> \o/
09:42 < kaos> well, i will compile the timezone data a little bit different
09:42 < kaos> a) it will be made a phing task
09:42 < kaos> (since the data is quite static and adding your own rules is quite senseless ^^)
09:43 < kaos> which will compile a single file for each timezone (since you'd usually only use 1 timezone at all that is quite ok i think)
09:44 < kaos> (well, i know the reason why its so slow too :D it uses the calendar ;)
09:44 < kaos> and i think it has to calculate
09:44 < kaos> uhm
09:44 < kaos> i dunno
09:44 < kaos> but definitly a few 10k different dates
09:50 < kaos> i will be so damn happy when this olson stuff is finished
09:51 < kaos> thats the last big thing which would hold back the release until not finished
09:51 < kaos> and this entire i18n stuff is really getting on my nerves slowly
09:51 < kaos> haven't been doing ANYTHING else but this "shit" the last 2 months
09:55 < kaos> .oO(what a monologue :D)
09:55 * epaulin listening
09:56 < kaos> :]
09:56 < kaos> well, 05.11 will be marked with many big X in my calendar (or at least in my head :D)
09:57 < kaos> finally a little less stress (hahaha ... now the fun only begins, since that means back to customer work instead of agavi \o/)
09:59 < epaulin> hmmm. why customer work make more fun?
09:59 < kaos> i was kidding :D
09:59 < epaulin> xD
09:59 < kaos> well, the problem is that i am simply overly bored with the i18n stuff right now
09:59 < v-dogg> can I somehow disable the extremely annoying pc beep when I'm trying to complete something in the terminal?
10:00 < kaos> yes, cut the wire to your pc beep
10:00 < kaos> :p
10:01 < epaulin> v-dogg: which desktop env do you use? GNOME or KDE
10:01 < v-dogg> gnome
10:03 < v-dogg> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/TurnOffBeep
10:03 < epaulin> you can edit your profiles
10:03 < epaulin> :-)
10:04 < v-dogg> aahh... silence...
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11:32 < v-dogg> morning Karl_Koch
11:51 < Karl_Koch> morning..
11:52 < Karl_Koch> really stormy day today.. ;( .. autumn is coming
11:54 < lukoko> i have mojavi application, and i want to import it to eclipse phpide, i am new to eclipse, how could i do this?
12:05 < Karl_Koch> you can create a new project an specify the existing application in this project..
12:06 < Karl_Koch> when u use mojavi u should install aptana - this IDE also supports some javascript frameworks..
12:06 < Karl_Koch> you can get it here http://aptana.org/
12:16 < digitarald> Abd if u use agavi u can automate tasks in eclipse with Ant ;)
12:17 * v-dogg is downloading eclipse
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12:20 < v-dogg> but what plugin to use?
12:20 < horros> <- cried and laughs at the same time
12:20 < horros> cries too
12:20 < v-dogg> what's up
12:21 < horros> v-dogg: remember my friday afternoon fuckup?
12:21 < horros> it was worse than anticipated
12:21 < horros> apparently clicking "no, you do not maintain our mail servers" in the DNS-settings page for the hosting provider...
12:21 < horros> ...deleted all our mail accounts and denied access to the mail admin page
12:22 < horros> even if I re-enabled said setting in the page
12:22 < horros> one would think they'd mention something about it on the page though.
12:22 < v-dogg> f... sounds nice
12:23 < horros> since it's a DNS-zone setting, you'd reckon it only removes the MXes from the DNS zone
12:23 < horros> which it did. but also a shitload of other stuff I really really didn't want it to
12:23 < horros> also, nobody answers the phone there :(
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12:29 < v-dogg> digitarald: you use Eclipse, right?
12:31 < horros> v-dogg: I do too
12:31 < horros> where the smeg has my home directory gone?
12:32 < v-dogg> with what plugin?
12:32 < horros> v-dogg: xored's trustudio
12:32 < v-dogg> ah, that's right
12:40 < Karl_Koch> in comparison to phpeclipse - is xored studio better or not ?
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12:43 < digitarald> v-dogg: eclipse, right
12:44 < horros> gah
12:45 < horros> stupid debian
12:45 < horros> #)¤(%
12:45 < horros> Karl_Koch: I've not used phpeclipse for a while, but last time I used it (6 months ago or so) it was a buggy heap of dung
12:45 < horros> Karl_Koch: you couldn't even turn off short_open_tags anywhere
12:46 < Karl_Koch> is xored studio also free ?
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12:47 < horros> the base version of it. not proffessional.
12:47 < horros> although they've stopped developing it because they have a deal or the other with zend
12:47 < horros> so zend now produces the php plugin for eclipse, and xored makes the tcl/python plugins
12:48 < Karl_Koch> sometimes it's messy to work with phpeclipse..
12:48 < horros> or rather the "dynamic languages framework doohickey"
12:48 < Karl_Koch> ah - that's new to me..
12:49 < v-dogg> what's the status of the Zend plugin?
12:50 < horros> v-dogg: works, but falls over like small animals in strong wind
12:50 < horros> :)
12:51 < v-dogg> "works" in the sense of "works like anything build by Zend"
12:52 < Karl_Koch> ;)
12:52 < v-dogg> although I know I will regret this I'm going to try it
12:53 < horros> v-dogg: instead of wasting your time with that, go put on my winter tyres for me :)
12:56 < v-dogg> uh... two things that really annoy me in firefox: (1) the default download destination is _Desktop_, (2) the default searching method is Google's Feeling Lucky
12:57 < v-dogg> and you have to hack some userpref.js to alter the second one
12:57 < v-dogg> I have _never_ found this feelingluckynonsense to be usefull
12:57 < splatch`> hello
12:57 < splatch`> Karl_Koch: Are you ski jumber? :)
13:00 < toby_swe> hi, is there a way to validate two or more input fields of the same type with the same validator definition, to avoid having to write validator parameters and errors loads of times when they should be the same for all fields?
13:01 < toby_swe> some kind of outer wrapping for a group of validators
13:01 < splatch`> toby_swe: use <arguments>
13:01 < v-dogg> don't know if that helps
13:01 < v-dogg> because the validator then has to support validating the fields one by one
13:01 < splatch`> toby_swe: you can use xinclude too
13:03 < v-dogg> hmm... I wonder if it would be possible to write a IteratingValidator or something that would validate all fields using a validator given in parameters...
13:04 < toby_swe> <arguments> kind of worked, but all fields got "errored", even those that were right
13:11 < toby_swe> would be nice if it was possible just to write
13:11 < toby_swe> <validators class="date">
13:11 < toby_swe> <validator name="invalid_start">
13:11 < toby_swe> <arguments>
13:11 < toby_swe> <argument>startdate</argument>
13:11 < toby_swe> </argument>
13:11 < toby_swe> </validator>
13:11 < toby_swe> <validator name="invalid_end">
13:11 < toby_swe> <arguments>
13:11 < toby_swe> <argument>enddate</argument>
13:11 < toby_swe> </arguments>
13:11 < toby_swe> </validator>
13:11 < toby_swe> </validators>
13:12 < toby_swe> or some similar construction with an outer wrapper
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13:16 < Whisller> Hi :)
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13:32 < codecop> hi
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14:15 < toby_swe> I'm using phprenderer and want to have some custom functions that should be available in all templates. What would be the best way to include such functions?
14:50 < Wombert> simple functions?
14:50 < Wombert> you could include them whereever you like
14:50 < Wombert> e.g. in config.php
14:57 < digitarald> create a static class to wrap them, like HtmlHelper or something like that. Than put all your helpers in that static class
15:04 * sho[a]n yawns
15:08 < Wombert> or extend PHPRenderer so you can do $this->blah (you have the context and everything then)
15:08 < horros> errm, can anyone access www.tenue.fi?
15:10 < toby_swe> wombert: can I do the $this->blah() stuff from the template i I extend the renderer?
15:11 < toby_swe> ..if I..
15:11 < Wombert> yes
15:11 < Wombert> you could also add the method to the view
15:11 < Wombert> and do
15:11 < Wombert> $this->getView()->method()
15:11 < toby_swe> ok, both options sounds good to me
15:12 < toby_swe> another question, I can't get <validator required=false> to work. I get an error on empty input field
15:13 < Wombert> latest SVN?
15:13 < toby_swe> updated 2 mins ago
15:18 < toby_swe> the same happens if I set password validator required=false in the sample app
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16:00 < splatch`> hello
16:00 < splatch`> i've problem with validators
16:01 < splatch`> i've two fields (boolean), validator manager mode=tainted
16:01 < splatch`> the fields aren't validated
16:01 < splatch`> i can cast value to boolean
16:02 < splatch`> but.. i don't got this parameters
16:02 < splatch`> anyone got my problem? :)
16:04 < splatch`> validator manager has two modes - strict and tainted, right Wombert?
16:16 < splatch`> :|
16:37 < digitarald> right, imho
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16:50 < Wombert> normal, tainted and strict
16:51 < Wombert> jake: ping?
16:57 < horros> ugh
16:57 < horros> so exhausted
16:57 < horros> :(
16:57 < Wombert> why
16:57 < horros> changed winter tyres
16:57 < horros> == carried two sets of tyres five floors down and up :(
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17:05 < splatch`> Wombert :)
17:05 < splatch`> Wombert: normal, tainted and strict doesn't pass non-validate parameters
17:06 < splatch`> (svn version_
17:06 < splatch`> *)
17:06 < splatch`> btw, Wombert i'm looking for new server, some time ago you gave me an links but i lost it
17:08 < splatch`> Wombert: can you give me this links? :)
17:08 < Wombert> uh
17:08 < Wombert> www.strato.de or so
17:08 < Wombert> www.server4u.de
17:08 < Wombert> maybe
17:08 < Wombert> no
17:08 < Wombert> www.server4you.de
17:09 < eremit> omg ...
17:09 < Wombert> ...
17:09 < Wombert> he was looking for something affordable IIRC
17:09 < eremit> www.hetzner.de
17:09 < Wombert> yes
17:09 < Wombert> except they suck and charge too much money
17:09 < Wombert> strato actually has excellent features
17:09 < Wombert> like free backup space
17:09 < eremit> how do they suck ? and what's too much money ?
17:12 < Wombert> because you have to pay extra for everything
17:12 < Wombert> you get backup space at strato
17:12 < Wombert> and a serial remote console, too
17:12 < Wombert> and other stuff I can't remember you usually have to pay for with other companies
17:13 < eremit> maybe you should take a look what they give out :P
17:13 < eremit> ok, there's no serial console ... but nobody needs a serial console :P
17:13 < Wombert> oh
17:13 < Wombert> really
17:13 < Wombert> and what if your server doesn't boot anymore
17:13 < Wombert> ..
17:14 < splatch`> hmm
17:14 < eremit> start the rescue mode ?
17:14 < splatch`> http://www.strato.de/server/highend/index.html
17:14 < splatch`> MR3
17:14 < Wombert> eremit: look at their traffic "flatrate"
17:14 < Wombert> ...
17:15 < Wombert> oooh, 50GB backup space... mmmhmmmh
17:15 < Wombert> etc etc
17:15 < eremit> wombert, i know about their traffic flatrate ... since i have 2 dozens of server there :P
17:15 < Wombert> it sucks
17:15 < eremit> and better being polite and tell about how they do their "flatrate" than having strato, which suddenly turns of your computer :P
17:16 < Wombert> they don't, we never had any trouble :p
17:16 < eremit> i had 2 strato servers and 3 server4you servers ...
17:16 < eremit> and they all have been migrated to hetzner ... since we tested all major distributors ...
17:17 < eremit> and hetzner was the only one which had (1) support (2) support which knows what they talk about and (3) good prices
17:21 < splatch`> ok, so .. who is better?
17:25 < eremit> i would go to hetzner :P ... but it's a philosophical question
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17:27 < ociu> hi
17:27 < splatch`> ho :)
17:27 < Wombert> welcome to agavi, ociu
17:27 < ociu> splatch :P
17:27 < splatch`> next agavi user from poland! :)
17:28 < ociu> :)
17:29 < ociu> only me and you are online ?
17:29 < splatch`> eremit: i'm need server cheeper than 55 euro
17:29 < splatch`> cheaper
17:30 < eremit> womby gave you 2 links and i gave you one ...
17:30 < eremit> the decision is up to you ...
17:30 < Wombert> http://www.hetzner.de/rootserver.html maybe the DS 3000
17:30 < Wombert> but
17:30 < Wombert> 99 euro setup
17:31 < splatch`> Wombert: i thought about this
17:31 < ociu> hehe, i was wrong :P
17:31 < splatch`> but 99 euro is to much
17:31 < eremit> yes Wombert and 30days to end the contract .. instead of being 1 year bound ...
17:31 < splatch`> Wombert: 140 euro at start
17:32 < eremit> so they're mainly even
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17:54 < ociu> :/
17:54 < ociu> i must back to my homework :/
17:54 < ociu> see you
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18:06 < splatch`> what does minds "Inclusive Domains"
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18:07 < Wombert> that number of domains are included in the price
18:07 < Wombert> "means" by the way
18:07 < splatch`> can i register more domains?
18:07 < Wombert> you can
18:07 < Wombert> ...
18:08 < Wombert> that many domains are included in the price
18:08 < Wombert> you don't have to pay for these
18:10 < splatch`> Wombert: i don't see connection speed
18:10 < Wombert> usually 100MBit/s
18:10 < Wombert> I don't know
18:11 < splatch`> Wombert: are you sure - 100 MBit?!
18:11 < Wombert> as I said
18:11 < Wombert> I don't know
18:11 < splatch`> that's normal connection speed in germany? :)
18:12 < Wombert> uhm
18:12 < Wombert> for servers, yes
18:13 < splatch`> What does means: "Preis/Monat, Zahlweise monatlich"
18:13 < Wombert> http://hetzner.de/rootserver.html
18:13 < Wombert> has 100MBit connection
18:13 < Wombert> price per month
18:13 < Wombert> montly payment
18:13 < Wombert> monthly
18:14 < Wombert> but
18:14 < Wombert> I suggest you look for hosters in poland again
18:14 < Wombert> I'm not sure if you can order from outside germany
18:15 < Wombert> I think hetzner allows it
18:15 < splatch`> we'll see, but in poland servers are more expensive than in germany, france and others
18:15 < Wombert> not sure
18:16 < Whisller[a]> that's true
18:16 < splatch`> " it
18:16 < Whisller[a]> tak :)
18:16 < Whisller[a]> yes ;)
18:16 < splatch`> Wombert: and.. "Vertragslaufzeiten wahlweise 12 oder 18 Monate"?
18:17 < Wombert> contract duration
18:17 < Wombert> still
18:17 < Wombert> I suggest you rent a server in poland
18:17 < Wombert> it's a bit dangerous otherwise, because you don't understand half of the stuff
18:17 < Wombert> you know what I mean?
18:18 < splatch`> Wombert: yes
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18:46 < v-dogg> evening
18:46 < v-dogg> any linux gurus awake?-)
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19:03 < jake> Wombert: pong
19:03 < Wombert> jake, we need better names for the validation modes
19:04 < Wombert> are you familiar with them
19:04 < jake> I'm not. I could be though :)
19:05 < Wombert> "normal" mode just makes all request params available in the action
19:05 < Wombert> "tainted" only forwards those that have been validated IF there was a validation xml for that action
19:05 < Wombert> strict always only forwards validated params no matter if a validation.xml was there or not
19:06 < jake> okay. Those are actually good names so far
19:06 < v-dogg> exept tainted is not good
19:07 < Wombert> yeah or is it?
19:07 < Wombert> we'll let the native speaker decide ;)
19:07 < Wombert> and there is a param for the routing
19:07 < jake> I think it's okay. Although I would argue that perhaps tainted implies that validation occured and you allowed the forward anyhow
19:07 < Wombert> <routing ... constraint="write" /> restricts the rule to be tested only when the request method is write
19:07 < Wombert> I'm not overly happy with that either I think
19:08 < jake> Instead of 'normal', 'tainted' and 'strict' I might use 'none', 'normal' and 'strict'
19:08 < Wombert> good idea
19:08 < jake> Although I think there actually is a 'tainted', which might be; Allow forward, even if validation fails
19:08 < jake> THEN you have tainted data
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19:09 < v-dogg> but tainted comes from perl (afaik) where the data is tainted unless validated
19:09 < v-dogg> and that is not really how it works in agavi, is it?
19:11 < jake> That's true (the first statement), I think. However tainted can also mean that although validation has occured and failed, you are electing to continue with 'tainted' data
19:12 < jake> perhaps 'invalid' data is a more appropriate term :)
19:12 < v-dogg> mode="invalid" sounds... well... not good :)
19:13 * horro1 delurkifies
19:13 < horro1> I vote "fubar"
19:13 * horro1 lurkifies
19:14 < v-dogg> lurkers don't have a say
19:14 * horro1 delurkifies
19:14 < horro1> I concur.
19:14 * horro1 lurkifies
19:15 < v-dogg> did you sorted your domains and dns already?
19:15 < v-dogg> -ed
19:17 < v-dogg> I have an old PII 466 machine and I started erasing a 15Gb hard disk with it this morning (using dd)
19:17 < jake> heh, true :)
19:17 < v-dogg> it's still doing it after 8 hours
19:17 < v-dogg> should I worry?
19:17 < horro1> well, not really. I ended up with a warning: problem talking to service rewrite: Success
19:17 < horro1> so I thought screw this, I'll fix it tomorrow :D
19:18 < v-dogg> heh, that error message sounds like something that windows would tell you
19:18 < horro1> well, it's in fact postfix
19:19 * v-dogg rewinds
19:19 < v-dogg> heh, that error message sounds like something that linux would tell you
19:19 < horro1> well, it is, in fact, a bsd box.
19:19 < horro1> ok, it's not.
19:19 < horro1> :D
19:20 < v-dogg> same shit, different label
19:20 < v-dogg> but if it was a MAC! then not only would it "just work", it would give good error message AND look cool!
19:21 < v-dogg> and ofcourse it would make you look cool, too
19:21 < horro1> whereafter the keyboard and display would break
19:21 < horro1> :)
19:23 < v-dogg> heh, our living rooms clock is still an hour ahead and I almost got fooled by it
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19:24 < v-dogg> hey sho[a]n, we were just talking about macs and how crappy they are
19:24 < v-dogg> join our happy discussion group
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19:27 < ociu> hello
19:32 < Wombert> so
19:32 < Wombert> what do we name the validation methods now
19:32 < Wombert> "none" might be a bit misleading as in no validation will occur or so I guess
19:33 < Wombert> we could also rename the "tainted" to "development" mode because that's primarily what it's for
19:34 < jake> Isn't that what the first one meant? All request params are always available in the action, does validation occur or does it just allow failures?
19:35 < v-dogg> development is not good either in my opinion. misleading and un-informative
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19:35 < Wombert> it allows failures
19:35 < jake> ahh, I see
19:35 < Wombert> tainted and strict only forward values that didn't fail
19:36 < Wombert> AND
19:36 < Wombert> only those which have a validator
19:36 < Wombert> so you have to validate all params in order to access them
19:37 < jake> Okay. Well, the appropriate modes then might be 'accept', 'conditional' and 'deny' ?
19:38 < jake> In the first you accept all data. In the second you conditionally accept it. And in the third you deny all that is bad.?
19:38 < v-dogg> conditional is ok
19:38 < Wombert> be back in ten
19:38 < jake> By using those terms too, they are consistent in that they always describe how the data is treated based on the validation
19:38 < ociu> ok, i've a question
19:38 < v-dogg> ociu: shoot
19:38 < ociu> how to: forms and their validation in agavi
19:39 < ociu> it will be nice when to give me some examples :)
19:39 < v-dogg> ociu: how much do you know about that now?
19:39 < v-dogg> have you checked out the sample app?
19:39 < ociu> v-dogg: in agavi, nothing
19:40 < v-dogg> I'll descrive the basic idea and then you can check out the sample app, ok?
19:40 < v-dogg> describe, even
19:40 < ociu> yeah
19:41 < v-dogg> there are three ways to validate your input (normally form fields)
19:41 < ociu> mhm
19:41 < v-dogg> (i) define validators in modules/MyModule/validate/MyAction.xml
19:42 < v-dogg> (ii) define validators in MyAction::register[Write|Read]Validators (not sure about the function name)
19:42 < v-dogg> (iii) manually validate the data in MyAction::validate (again, not sure about the function name)
19:43 < v-dogg> for i and ii you have to have a validator class that does the validation (and also normalizes the data should you wish that too)
19:44 < ociu> and forms ? i've just create on template ?
19:44 < v-dogg> agavi ships with a few validators and you can write your own easily
19:44 < v-dogg> yes, you write your forms yourself
19:45 < v-dogg> but you don't have to output the field values, there's the FormPopulationFilter that can do that for you
19:47 < v-dogg> validators are quite flexible. you can have validators depending on others, you can normalize the data during the validation (ie. normalize date fields into int timestamp), you can have nested validators and so on and so on...
19:48 < v-dogg> s/ie/eg/
19:49 < ociu> mhm
19:49 < v-dogg> because our documentation is still under development the best way to get to know all this is to play aroung with the sample app and ask when you don't understand something
19:54 < ociu> ok, so tell me, for what in ./samples/app/ is dir. models, when in modules is directory models too ?
19:54 < ociu> that dir. is for every module ?
19:54 < v-dogg> that's for global models used by more than one module
19:55 < v-dogg> and modules can have models of their own, too
19:55 < ociu> yea, ./app/modules/models
19:56 < ociu> so, how to appeal to global model ?
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19:59 < v-dogg> ociu: didn't get that
19:59 < v-dogg> do you mean how do you call a global model?
19:59 < ociu> yes, sory ;)
19:59 < ociu> i am still learning
20:00 < v-dogg> $this->getContext()->getModel(ModelName, [ModuleName])
20:00 < v-dogg> agavi handles loading and initializing the class
20:01 < v-dogg> if you leave ModuleName blank, it tries to load a global model
20:01 < jake> v-dogg, can you have a singleton model? I can't remember....
20:02 < v-dogg> you can, but I'm not sure how... I think you only have to implement SingletonModel interface
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20:03 < jake> ahh, that's right
20:04 < v-dogg> bbl ->
20:04 < ociu> bbl ?
20:05 < jake> be back later
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20:13 < Wombert> yep, implements AgaviISingletonModel is enough
20:26 < ociu> hm... execute, executeRead ?
20:26 < ociu> what is that ?
20:26 < Wombert> it's documented in the phpdoc for the mehtod
20:28 < ociu> is it online ?
20:31 < Wombert> no
20:31 < Wombert> in the method declaration in the sample app
20:31 < Wombert> = phpdoc
20:31 < ociu> :)
21:14 < splatch`> btw Wombert, Agavi doesn't support file inputs with array name
21:14 < splatch`> image[]
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21:52 < Wombert> splatch`: you there?
21:52 < Wombert> hello?
21:52 < Wombert> uuuh
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22:36 < splatch`> Wombert: yes, I am
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23:55 < Wombert> re
23:55 < Wombert> splatch`: yes that's possible!
23:55 < Wombert> <arguments base="image">
23:55 < Wombert> and then... I think one empty argument, right, kaos ?
23:56 < Wombert> <arguments base="image">
23:56 < Wombert> <argument></argument>
23:56 < Wombert> </arguments>
23:56 < kaos> yes
23:56 < splatch`> base attribute are available for array values?
23:56 < kaos> should work that way
23:56 < Wombert> yes, it will then validate all image files
23:57 < Wombert> <arguments base="image">
23:57 < Wombert> <argument>foo</argument>
23:57 < Wombert> </arguments>
23:57 < kaos> well, that base stuff is quite hard to get
23:57 < Wombert> that will only validate image[foo]
23:57 < Wombert> if you have image[foo][], you must do
23:57 < Wombert> <arguments base="image[foo]">
23:57 < Wombert> <argument></argument>
23:57 < Wombert> </arguments>
23:58 < Wombert> aaaah
23:59 < Wombert> wait
23:59 < Wombert> it doesn't work because the file validators still use $_FILE
23:59 < Wombert> I think
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00:19 < kaos> only the isuploadedimagevalidator
00:22 < Wombert> but does isUploadedImage work with [] ?
00:33 < splatch`> Wombert: (Do/Are) you have new design?
00:33 < Wombert> yep
00:33 < Wombert> I'm waiting for darek to talk to me in ICQ ;)
00:33 < Wombert> there are no changes right now
00:33 < splatch`> Does ICQ have transport to jabber?
00:35 < Wombert> no but he has an icq account
00:35 < splatch`> kzk666? ;)
00:35 < Wombert> don't know
00:35 < Wombert> adium displays what I enter
00:36 < splatch`> that's he default login ;)
00:36 < splatch`> anyway, i must write OPT Renderer
00:36 < Wombert> :>
00:37 < toby_swe> if I play around with sample app and set password and username validators to required=false, I still can't get past validation with empty fields. Is that the way it's supposed to work?
00:37 < toby_swe> or am I misunderstanding somehing? (quite possible ;)
00:38 < splatch`> Wombert: are validation modes works?
00:39 < splatch`> normal/strict and tainted works same
00:39 < splatch`> doesn't pass not validated values
00:40 < kaos> toby_swe: required means that the validator will not fail when the value is not set at all
00:40 < kaos> an empty value is still a set value
00:40 < kaos> so it passes the required test
00:40 < kaos> and gets handled by the validator
00:40 < kaos> which decides that an empty string is a little to less input ;)
00:41 < kaos> and hence throws an error
00:41 < Wombert> uhm
00:41 < Wombert> hang on a second
00:41 < splatch`> hmm
00:41 < Wombert> on the web, empty fields are always an empty string
00:41 < splatch`> required msg error?
00:41 < Wombert> (except checkboxes)
00:41 < Wombert> so required="false" should skip on ""
00:41 < kaos> no
00:41 < Wombert> yes
00:41 < kaos> no!
00:41 < splatch`> yno!
00:41 < kaos> thats the job of the validator
00:42 < splatch`> :)
00:42 < toby_swe> ?
00:43 < splatch`> toby_swe: hold on, we have a small discussion
00:43 < toby_swe> yep
00:43 < splatch`> so what for isset validator exists?
00:44 < splatch`> for conditions
00:44 < splatch`> required in Mojavi 3 = "" empty string, value not set
00:46 < splatch`> Doest severity attribute works?
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01:16 < splatch`> q
01:17 < Wombert> won the discussion
01:17 < Wombert> :>
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01:19 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
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01:38 < Wombert> toby_swe: fixed
01:42 < toby_swe> so, now the sample app should say it's ok to have an empty username if I just do <validator class="string" name="username_too_short" required="false"> (as an example)?
01:42 < Wombert> yeah
01:42 < Wombert> BUT I think the code sets a validation error if the username doesn't match
01:42 < Wombert> so you might still see an error
01:43 < toby_swe> hmm, true
01:46 < toby_swe> if username is empty, I get the too_few_char-error, if username is more than five chars but doesn't match I get the wrong_username-error
01:47 < toby_swe> should I really get the to_few_chars-error with required=false?
01:48 < toby_swe> shouldn't it be the wrong_username-error if the parameter got through validation?
02:07 < Wombert> hm
02:07 < Wombert> you shouldn't get that error
02:07 < Wombert> hmh
02:09 < toby_swe> no
02:09 < Wombert> errr wait a minute
02:09 < Wombert> I messed something up there
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02:11 < Wombert> crrrrrap
02:11 < impl> Wombert: I quite enjoyed that music btw :)
02:11 < Wombert> impl: good to hear
02:12 < Wombert> let me know if you need an album or so
02:12 < impl> I'll have to listen to them again, but sure
02:12 * impl runs the garbage outside
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02:17 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
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02:17 < impl> Lovely commit message there :P
02:39 < toby_swe> bedtime...
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03:43 < Wombert> mmmh yes that's better
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03:47 < MrJeep> why is it considered unsafe to user the request parameter ?
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03:49 < Wombert> it's not unsafe to use them
03:51 < MrJeep> what's the difference between the request->getParameter and the $parameters->getParameter function ?
03:51 < MrJeep> value slashing ?
03:51 < Wombert> by default, the values are identical
03:51 < MrJeep> ok
03:51 < Wombert> but
03:51 < Wombert> you could write a global filter that strips possible XSS stuff from all parameters
03:51 < Wombert> and
03:52 < Wombert> validation can validate and, possibly, modify arguments
03:52 < MrJeep> kk
03:52 < MrJeep> thnx
03:52 < Wombert> also, assuming validation is set to "strict"
03:52 < Wombert> only those parameters you validated will arrive
03:52 < Wombert> which is good if you want to write secure apps
03:53 < Wombert> another example... let's say you have three fields for month, day and year
03:53 < Wombert> you'd write a small validator that validates this date and then only sets a unix timestamp in the parameters
03:53 < Wombert> so if you change the form field from three separate ones to a large one (e.g. used by a date picker widget), you don't have to change your action
03:54 < Wombert> or... you could cast values to integers or floats right away
03:54 < Wombert> or think about how americans enter 123.45, while germans write 123,45
03:54 < Wombert> all that stuff
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08:43 < v-dogg> hla
08:47 < epaulin> moin
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11:03 < Wombert> re
11:03 < Wombert> pear.agavi.org channel moved to new server
11:04 < Wombert> mailing lists should be operational tomorrow or so
11:05 < Wombert> toby_swe: the required="false" problem is fixed
11:06 < Wombert> let me know if you have any further problems
11:08 < toby_swe> yeah I saw that. Thanks Wombert!
11:08 < v-dogg> morning wonbert
11:09 < Wombert> hi v-dogg
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11:09 < Wombert> toby_swe: it now works like this
11:09 < Wombert> an error withour "for" is the "generic" message
11:09 < v-dogg> ubuntu live cd just made my day
11:09 < Wombert> and an error with "min" is for the case the message is too short
11:10 < Wombert> so it's now possible to have a field optional, but with min length
11:10 < Wombert> v-dogg: why
11:12 < v-dogg> I was able to rescue some important files from a computer with a crashed hard drive
11:13 < v-dogg> saved me the trouble of getting that computer from our machine room and pluging that hard drive to another machine
11:13 < Wombert> oO
11:13 < Wombert> nice
11:24 < horros> friggen postfix+postgres+courier-imap
11:24 < horros> :(
11:25 < Wombert> mmmh?
11:25 < Wombert> :S
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11:52 < KarlKoch> mornin ;)..
11:53 < v-dogg> morning
11:54 < KarlKoch> i want to include mysql in the sample app - how can i include it in the AgaviSampleAppUser.class.php
11:58 < KarlKoch> i already changed settings in the config files - but don't know how to setup the database"stuff" for the app
12:02 < Wombert> $context->getDatabaseConnection()
12:02 < Wombert> getResource() on that probably if you want to use mysql
12:02 < Wombert> but I recommend you use PDO
12:02 < Wombert> or some other layer
12:02 < Wombert> v-dogg: didn't you have some trouble with propel and duplicate connections or somethign
12:03 < KarlKoch> hmm-never used pdo before..
12:03 < KarlKoch> that's maybe a problem ;(
12:04 < Wombert> learn it
12:04 < Wombert> ...
12:05 < KarlKoch> ;) i know
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12:07 < KarlKoch> hmm seems to be not so complex - when i look at the wikipage..
12:10 < KarlKoch> how do i include a Connection Class ? i inserted a new entry in the databases.xml with the connection strings ..
12:10 < Wombert> yes
12:10 < Wombert> as I said
12:10 < Wombert> $context->getDatabaseConnection()
12:11 < Wombert> from that, you usually get the PDO connection with getConnection()
12:11 < KarlKoch> okay - but the sample app crashes with Class 'PDODatabase' not found
12:11 < Wombert> or $context->getDatabaseManager()->getConnection()
12:11 < Wombert> AgaviPdoDatabase
12:14 < KarlKoch> okay--
12:46 < v-dogg> Wombert: that issue is still to be figured out
12:46 < v-dogg> something weird does happen there
12:56 < Wombert> v-dogg: we should try to sort that before the weekend
12:56 < v-dogg> uh.. ok :)
12:59 < Wombert> six days left until 0.11RC1
12:59 < Wombert> so if you don't have anything planned for the weekend yet...
12:59 < Wombert> tell the missus you gotta code and build a website and write documentation ;)
13:12 < v-dogg> oukey :)
13:12 < Wombert> it looks like the website design will be finished tomorrow
13:12 < Wombert> logo design... not 100% sure yet, we gotta decide on a font first
13:13 < Wombert> I want to put up the teaser page with the techno plant on friday
13:13 < Wombert> pear channel works, too, and it seems mailing lists are up and running as well, we just need a dns change for that
13:13 < Wombert> I gotta mail bob for irc channel admin, gmane access, and CIA
13:13 < digitarald> wow ... agavi is back ... soon
13:14 < Wombert> yes, it'll be a lot of work until sunday, but we'll make it
13:14 < Wombert> if anyone has some free time, please help out
13:14 < Wombert> for example, the config file comments are all outdated and still describe the ini format
13:14 < Wombert> and we sure could use a 0.11 migration guide ;)
13:15 < digitarald> its a must-have
13:15 < digitarald> framework
13:15 < Wombert> write it ;)
13:15 < digitarald> must have documentation
13:15 < digitarald> i would, if i had time ... but i'll fly tomorrow to germany
13:15 < Wombert> I'll work on all the trac hooks, nightly snapshot crons, documentation cron jobs etc
13:15 < Wombert> v-dogg: we have a phing task for building docs now, right?
13:15 < Wombert> (manual)
13:16 < v-dogg> we have a non-working phing task afaik
13:16 < Wombert> :S
13:17 < v-dogg> firstly it was made before the splitting of the books
13:17 < v-dogg> and also there was some problem with fetching the stylesheets from the net
13:17 < v-dogg> shouldn't be difficult to fix though
13:18 < Wombert> hm
13:18 < Wombert> I just did phing manual-html
13:18 < Wombert> worked
13:19 < v-dogg> ok then :)
13:20 < Wombert> the XSL needs some love tho
13:20 < Wombert> it doesn't handle "delete" tags
13:35 < Wombert> ewwwwww
13:47 < v-dogg> woot
13:52 < Wombert> wanna know a secret?
13:52 < Wombert> I am convinced that phing
13:52 < Wombert> is the worst piece of crap
13:52 < digitarald> me me me ;)
13:52 < Wombert> ever invented
13:52 < digitarald> tags?
13:52 < Wombert> or actually ant, which phing mimics
13:53 < Wombert> no, the entire concept
13:53 < Wombert> it sucks
13:53 < Wombert> I'm getting sick every time I look at a build.xml
13:53 < Wombert> it's all hacky, confusing and... just plain ugly
13:58 < Wombert> okay sports racers
13:58 < Wombert> it's time for some tickets
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14:48 < ociu> hi
15:00 < v-dogg> hello
15:04 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
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15:06 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
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15:06 < ociu> hm..
15:06 < v-dogg> Wombert: update bot's url template
15:07 < Wombert> v-dogg: yeah
15:07 < Wombert> actually I gotta change the URL of the RSS feed, because that's where the URLs are from
15:08 < v-dogg> ah
15:09 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/timeline :
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15:09 < AgaviBot> 2) http://trac.agavi.bitxtender.net/ticket/339 : Ticket #339 (task created): Add cron jobs for nightly documentation snapshots
15:09 < Wombert> you know what's cool?
15:09 < Wombert> I can do this at runtime :D
15:09 < Wombert> changed the feeds.xml config (ReturnArrayConfigHandler)
15:10 < Wombert> and told the bot to read the file again in the query
15:10 < Wombert> let's see if that works :D
15:10 < Wombert> mh
15:10 < Wombert> no
15:10 < Wombert> it doesn't
15:10 < Wombert> didn't implement it yet xD
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15:12 < ociu> Wombert: :)))
15:13 < ociu> request -> moveFile($name, $file, $fileMode = 0666, $create = true, $dirMode = 0777)
15:14 < ociu> hm..
15:14 < ociu> ($InputName, './directory/to/upload/') ?
15:14 < Wombert> ...
15:14 < Wombert> * @param string A file name.
15:14 < Wombert> * @param string An absolute filesystem path to where you would like
15:14 < Wombert> * the file moved. This includes the new filename, too,
15:14 < Wombert> * since uploaded files are stored with random names.
15:14 < Wombert> * @param int The octal mode to use for the new file.
15:14 < Wombert> * @param bool Indicates that we should make the directory before
15:14 < Wombert> * moving the file.
15:14 < Wombert> * @param int The octal mode to use when creating the directory.
15:15 < Wombert> it's all in the docs, my friend ;)
15:16 < ociu> i see, i see
15:16 < ociu> now i see :P
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15:28 < Wombert> 20 users!
15:28 < Wombert> :>
15:33 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.org/timeline :
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15:36 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.org/timeline :
15:36 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/344 : Ticket #344 (task created): Add SVN precommit hooks
15:36 < AgaviBot> 2) http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/343 : Ticket #343 (task created): Make CIA work again
15:43 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.org/timeline :
15:43 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/345 : Ticket #345 (task created): Add SVN postcommit hooks
15:45 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.org/timeline :
15:45 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/347 : Ticket #347 (task created): Enable notification emails for Trac changes
15:45 < AgaviBot> 2) http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/346 : Ticket #346 (task created): Enable notification emails for SVN commits
15:47 < v-dogg> slow down wonbie! tons of work... :)
15:48 < Wombert> it's all the stuff we need to finish by friday
15:48 < Wombert> and a bit more, actually
15:48 < Wombert> I have to finish CEF
15:48 < Wombert> and add the ability to specify filters for translators
15:49 < Wombert> I believe dominik has now set up a new kernel with grsecurity
15:49 < Wombert> so you'll all get your shell accounts (and thus svn and trac access) back
15:50 < v-dogg> grsecurity?
15:50 < Wombert> a linux kernel mod that allows rbac etc
15:50 < Wombert> finer grained security
15:51 < v-dogg> oh, never heard of such
15:52 < ociu> hm... setAttribute('redirect', $this->getContext()->getRequest()->getUrl(), 'org.agavi.SampleApp.login');
15:52 < Wombert> yeah?
15:53 < ociu> that is reditect page to login action ?
15:53 < Wombert> no
15:53 < Wombert> it sets the URL of the current page in the session
15:53 < Wombert> if the login form wasn't called directly
15:54 < Wombert> so when you click on a link that requires login
15:54 < Wombert> the url of that page is stored, and the login box is shown
15:54 < Wombert> after a login, you're redirected back to that page
15:54 < Wombert> if you click login directly, that doesn't happen
15:54 < ociu> mhm, thanks
15:55 < Wombert> 'org.agavi.SampleApp.login' is just the namespace where the 'redirect' attribute is set
15:56 < ociu> what is SampleApp ?
15:57 < Wombert> ...
15:57 < Wombert> the sample application :p
15:57 < Wombert> 'com.Microsoft.Office2007.cliparts' could be a namespace, too
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15:59 < ociu> ekhm, i mean, it can be org.agavi.somethingitdon'tknowwhatbecouseitunnecessary ?
16:00 < ociu> itisunnecessary :)
16:00 < Wombert> yes
16:00 < Wombert> a namespace :p
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17:50 < v-dogg> evening agavians
17:57 < sho[a]n_> evening v-dogg
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18:03 < splatch`> hello
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18:18 < Whisller> hi
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18:41 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.org/timeline :
18:41 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/1204 : Changeset [1204]: strikethrough for docbook css
18:42 < splatch`> documentation!
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18:46 < Whisller[a]> :>
18:46 < Whisller[a]> where?
18:46 < splatch`> in your ass ;P
18:46 * splatch` is gone
18:47 < Whisller[a]> i to see only css style
18:47 < Whisller[a]> splatch`, :P
18:47 < Whisller[a]> go away ;)
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18:52 < CIA-11> david * r1205 /trunk/docs/docbook/manual.xml: some manual fixes
18:52 < Wombert> ah now it works
18:52 < Wombert> wonderful
18:54 < AgaviBot> News from Agavi: Timeline at http://trac.agavi.org/timeline :
18:54 < AgaviBot> 1) http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/343#comment:1 : Ticket #343 (task closed): Make CIA work again
18:54 < AgaviBot> 2) http://trac.agavi.org/changeset/1205 : Changeset [1205]: some manual fixes
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19:19 < splatch`> Wombert: i need help
19:20 < Wombert> just ask your question
19:21 < splatch`> IE downloading my pages, header with content type ?
19:21 < Wombert> ?
19:22 < splatch`> on IE my page are saved to disc
19:22 < Whisller[a]> I have a problem :/ My action name is AddSong. But agavi return a AgaviViewException
19:22 < Whisller[a]> Module "Songs" does not contain the view "AddSongErrorView" or the file "C:\Instalacje\VertrigoServ\www\teksty_piosenek\app/modules/Songs/views/AddSongErrorView.class.php" is unreadable
19:23 < Whisller[a]> tfu :/
19:23 < Whisller[a]> sorry
19:23 < Whisller[a]> But when my action name is test everything is ok
19:24 < Wombert> splatch`: no idea, maybe a wrong content type header or IE problem
19:24 < Wombert> splatch`: it's certainly not agavi related
19:25 < Wombert> Whisller[a]: yes, because that view doesn't exist, but agavi tries to run the error view for some reason
19:25 < Whisller[a]> Wombert, exists :)
19:25 < Whisller[a]> I have AddSongView.class.php
19:25 < Wombert> no, it doesn't, or agavi wouldn't throw the error
19:26 < Wombert> yes, and that is wrong
19:26 < Wombert> look at the error message
19:27 < Whisller[a]> AddSongAction-> return 'Input'; In views, AddSongInputView.class.php
19:27 < splatch`> fucking smarty
19:28 < Whisller[a]> I still don't to understand
19:28 < Whisller[a]> heh
19:30 < splatch`> Whisller[a]: check prefix in class name
19:30 < splatch`> if file exists
19:30 < splatch`> Songs_AddSongErrorView
19:30 < Whisller[a]> class Songs_AddSongInputView
19:30 < splatch`> you see the difference? ;)
19:31 < Whisller[a]> no :>
19:31 < splatch`> handleWriteError(AgaviParameterHolder $e) { return 'Input'; }
19:31 < splatch`> add this method to you action
19:31 < splatch`> write/read = posg/get
19:31 < splatch`> *post
19:32 < Whisller[a]> nothing
19:33 < splatch`> handleReadError, handleError
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19:34 < Whisller[a]> now agavi return a view
19:34 < Whisller[a]> handleReadError
19:34 < splatch`> if validation fail default view name/type is Error
19:34 < splatch`> you can override this in your action
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19:35 < Whisller[a]> but where is error? i don't change enything.
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19:35 < Whisller[a]> when i change action name agavi don't return error
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19:35 < Whisller[a]> then is ok
19:36 < Whisller[a]> but with action AddSong are errors
19:37 < Whisller[a]> only with this action name are problems
19:37 < v-dogg> Whisller[a]: let's go over this step by step, ok?
19:37 < Whisller[a]> ok
19:37 < v-dogg> you have an action called AddSong
19:37 < Whisller[a]> Yes
19:38 < v-dogg> have you defined validators for it?
19:38 < Wombert> that dude needs a hug
19:38 < Wombert> !hug v-dogg
19:38 * AgaviBot hugs v-dogg
19:38 < Wombert> !hug v-dogg
19:38 * AgaviBot hugs v-dogg
19:38 < Wombert> :>
19:38 < v-dogg> grazy Germy
19:38 < splatch`> ;)
19:38 < Whisller[a]> and she(Songs_AddSongAction) return "return 'Input';"
19:38 < splatch`> !hug v-dogg
19:38 * AgaviBot hugs v-dogg
19:38 < splatch`> !hug v-dogg
19:38 * AgaviBot hugs v-dogg
19:38 < splatch`> v-dogg: and poland ;)
19:39 < v-dogg> ok, calm down boys
19:39 < v-dogg> Whisller[a]: still there?
19:39 < Whisller[a]> ?
19:39 < v-dogg> did you read my last line?
19:39 < v-dogg> have you defined validators for the action?
19:40 < Whisller[a]> validators? routing configuration?
19:40 < v-dogg> no, input validators
19:40 < Whisller[a]> no
19:41 < v-dogg> ok
19:41 < v-dogg> what functions do you have in you action?
19:41 < v-dogg> execute? executeRead? executeWrite?
19:41 < v-dogg> getDefaultView?
19:41 < v-dogg> handleError?
19:41 < Whisller[a]> execute and getDefaultViewName
19:41 < v-dogg> and what do they return?
19:41 < Whisller[a]> "Input"
19:42 < v-dogg> both of them?
19:42 < Whisller[a]> yes
19:43 < v-dogg> and you get "Module "Songs" does not contain the view "AddSongErrorView"" when calling that action?
19:43 < Whisller[a]> yes
19:43 < v-dogg> hmm..
19:44 < Whisller[a]> but file AddSongInputView.class.php exist
19:44 < v-dogg> sure
19:44 < Wombert> yes, but it doesn't call that one
19:45 < v-dogg> and you are really really sure there's no validation enabled? no xml files in you app/modules/Songs/validate/ ?
19:45 < jake> morning all
19:45 < Wombert> morning jake
19:46 < v-dogg> Whisller[a]: define a method "handleError(AgaviParameterHolder $parameters)" and return "Input" from there
19:46 < Whisller[a]> v-dogg, i'm stupid, ooo i'm soo stupid
19:46 < Whisller[a]> heh
19:46 < Wombert> } else {
19:46 < Wombert> // validation failed
19:46 < Wombert> $handleErrorMethod = 'handle' . $method . 'Error';
19:46 < Whisller[a]> yes there are AddSong
19:46 < Wombert> v-dogg: not the right approach
19:47 < v-dogg> Wombert: just want to now if that's what's returning the "Error"
19:47 < Wombert> :D okay
19:47 < Wombert> yeah it is, nothing else does that ;)
19:47 < Whisller[a]> validator is set :/
19:47 < Whisller[a]> fuck
19:47 < splatch`> Whisller[a]: yes, you are! :)
19:47 < v-dogg> there :)
19:47 < Whisller[a]> splatch`, i'm know it ;)
19:47 < splatch`> Whisller[a]: just like me!
19:47 < Whisller[a]> now i'm know it ;)
19:48 < Whisller[a]> This is weariness ;)
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19:49 < Whisller[a]> Ok it's time to english :]
19:49 * Whisller[a] studing
19:50 < Whisller[a]> Thanking guys :)
19:51 < v-dogg> no problem
19:51 < splatch`> Whisller[a]: really, no problem, just next beer ;)
19:51 < Whisller[a]> splatch`, come and get it :D
19:52 < splatch`> Whisller[a]: no, you are my debtor
19:52 < Whisller[a]> o! that is good idea
19:52 < Whisller[a]> beer
19:52 < Whisller[a]> splatch`, ok :)
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19:53 < Whisller[a]> What beer do you like :P
19:53 < impl> Wow, the channel population is shooting up!
19:53 * impl reproduces
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19:56 < splatch`> Wombert: hm.. ubr!
20:00 < Wombert> ?
20:00 < splatch`> Wombert: sorry
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20:10 < raidman> wow .... 20!
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20:13 < Wombert> !hug kaos
20:13 * AgaviBot hugs kaos
20:13 < kaos> :<
20:13 < kaos> !hug TEH GOOD LUNIX
20:13 * AgaviBot hugs TEH
20:14 < Wombert> eww
20:15 < raidman> !hug THE_GOOD_GNU/Linux
20:15 * AgaviBot hugs THE_GOOD_GNU/Lin
20:15 < raidman> another one
20:15 < kaos> well
20:15 < kaos> if this ubuntu shit
20:15 < kaos> still refuses to boot with a 2.4 kernel
20:16 < kaos> i will drive to mr. shuttleworth and chop of his damn head
20:16 < kaos> %$"&/($/"$
20:16 < kaos> (and install debian on the box :P)
20:20 < raidman> yes debian rox
20:21 < raidman> os[Linux 2.6.8-2-386 i686] distro[Debian 3.1] cpu[1 x AMD Sempron(tm) 2200+ @ 1.50GHz] mem[Physical : 250MB, 8.2% free] disk[Total : 46.49GB/60.31GB Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT]] sound[]
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20:21 < MrJeep> hi, I have another question about 0.11. Will the translation function create a .pot file ?
20:22 < MrJeep> or will I have to find all the words to translate in the code
20:24 < v-dogg> no, it won't. it doesn't help you translate, it helps you to use your translated resources
20:29 < Wombert> but
20:29 < Wombert> you can use xgettext of course
20:30 < Wombert> see samples/dev/createpot.sh
20:30 < MrJeep> ahh ok :)
20:30 < Wombert> after that, translate to .po files and compile them with msgfmt -c -v -o out.mo in.po
20:31 < Wombert> or
20:31 < Wombert> write your own translator that uses a database or something
20:31 < MrJeep> ok I'm taking a look
20:31 < Wombert> we'll likely add XLIFF support one day
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20:50 < MrJeep> I'm looking at the translation config file now and... well.. what's the text domain stuff ?
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21:09 < kaos> thats for gettext actually
21:10 < kaos> to define the location of the file which contains the translations for that text domain
21:11 < kaos> thats actually a gettext mechanism and doesn't really have anything to do with agavi
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21:26 < kaos> GOD DAMN OPEN SOURCE PILE OF CRAP (&$")/("&$)"$'#
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22:10 < ociu> hi
22:13 < Whisller> hi ociu
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22:29 < MrJeep> hi
22:30 < MrJeep> how can I get a configuration... I mean, I used to use AG_TEMPLATE_DIR to get my global template directory
22:30 < MrJeep> but it looks like those constants are gone
22:32 < v-dogg> MrJeep: AgaviConfig::get('core. ... ');
22:32 < v-dogg> http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/ConfigurationDirectives
22:32 < MrJeep> oh nice there is a little doc online
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00:43 < MrJeep> anyone can explain me whats the use of the rbac_definition file ?
00:44 < MrJeep> it looks like a giant credential file
00:45 < Wombert> it defines credentials for groups
00:45 < Wombert> you then assign groups to users
00:45 < Wombert> and he gets the credentials
00:46 < MrJeep> ok, and.. hum.. how's the doc going ?
00:46 < MrJeep> hehehe
00:47 < MrJeep> ;P
00:49 < Wombert> :p
00:49 < Wombert> feel free to contribute
00:50 < MrJeep> I sure will once I understand it
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02:22 < Whisller> hi :)
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04:23 < Whisller> Are here anyone? I've got problem with validator :) It dosen't work :)
04:27 < Whisller> *it's not working
04:37 < Whisller> Ok. everything is ok :)
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08:31 < v-dogg> huomenta
08:32 < ttj> Huomen.
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10:20 < raidman> morning
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12:58 < horros> this is _so_ starting to piss me off :(
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13:04 < ociu> hi
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13:39 < horros> GRUMBLE
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13:59 < shoan> hohoh
14:10 < v-dogg> hey hoy
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15:08 < digitarald> huhu
15:08 < raidman> haha :P
15:19 < eremit> heyho
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15:28 < Whisller> hi all :)
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17:21 < MrJeep> hi
17:22 < MrJeep> I'm currently porting my app on the next version
17:22 < MrJeep> so, I have a user class, extended from the agavi user class
17:22 < MrJeep> and I'm wondering, in this class, how I can set a cookie
17:23 < MrJeep> the cookies methods are in the response
17:23 < MrJeep> and the response is not in the context anymore...
17:23 < MrJeep> well, never been there anyway I guess
17:24 < eremit> hi
17:24 < MrJeep> :)
17:24 < eremit> simply use the set attributes in the user
17:25 < eremit> they are stored in the session
17:25 < MrJeep> ok, actually, I want to clear a cookie
17:25 < MrJeep> I'm not storing user data into the cookie
17:25 < MrJeep> just the autologin infos
17:25 < MrJeep> and, in the logout method, I looking to clear those cookies.. because I don't want the user to be automatically loged in again
17:27 < MrJeep> so, what's the correct way to proceed ?
17:28 < eremit> uh ...
17:28 < eremit> good question
17:30 < MrJeep> of course, I could use the php cookie function.. but the framework was not designed that way
17:31 < eremit> no definately not ...
17:31 < eremit> but cant you access the response object in the action ? ...
17:32 < eremit> (i'm not sure about it since it's some time ago i coded the cookie part of my app)
17:33 < MrJeep> nop, not in the action, only the view
17:34 < MrJeep> makes sense.. however, I can't totally encapsulate everything I need in my UserObject
17:35 < MrJeep> maybe it's better that way
17:36 < MrJeep> I have another similar problem
17:36 < MrJeep> i seems it's not safe to user the getParameter from the request
17:37 < MrJeep> only from the agavi parameter object
17:37 < MrJeep> that means, if I'm right, that only the action can user input parameters
17:37 < MrJeep> no custom classes
17:38 < MrJeep> use*
17:40 < eremit> what kind of custom classes du you want to use ?
17:41 < MrJeep> well, I used input parameter in the getCredential method
17:41 < MrJeep> www.pokeramateurleagues.com
17:41 < MrJeep> I have to know if given user can manage a given league
17:42 < eremit> this should be stored in the user as credential shouldn't it ?
17:43 < MrJeep> yes this is, but I have to compare a league's id with the user's manageable leagues ids
17:43 < MrJeep> and I get this id from the request
17:44 < MrJeep> I surely have to think about a better system, but still, this is a problem
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17:44 < MrJeep> accessing get or post variables
17:46 < MrJeep> should this league validation be put into the validate method ?
17:46 < MrJeep> and beat the crap out of the user if he tries to administer a league he should'nt
17:47 < eremit> i would suggest using a validator ...
17:47 < eremit> catch the error as early as possible
17:47 < MrJeep> ok, I agree with you
17:48 < MrJeep> oh by the way, did something change with the validate* method
17:48 < MrJeep> I mean.. in the "old" days, to set an error i used the request method to set it with setError
17:48 < MrJeep> something changed with this method ?
17:49 < eremit> yes it's still that way ... $request->setError(name, message)
17:49 < eremit> at least i hope ... my app relies on this behauviour ... Oo
17:50 < MrJeep> hehe ;O
17:52 < MrJeep> do you think agavi 0.11 will be online on november 5th ?
17:52 < MrJeep> i wish but ...
17:52 < eremit> i dont know ...
17:53 < eremit> i have missed about 3 days here ...
18:04 < MrJeep> ok
18:05 < eremit> and currently i'm fighting with a broken pear installation ... that's why i'm a little bind absent minded ...
18:06 < eremit> s/bind/bit
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18:50 < Whisller> I've got a question. When I have action AddSong(adding songs) with two others form, for users and administrators. Is good idea create one action with two others Views or two others actions(for users and administrators) :>
18:58 < lukoko> i think its better to keep actions separate
18:59 < lukoko> even if you save some lines of code, you would lose some explicisity
19:01 < Whisller> thank you :)
19:01 < lukoko> on the other hand agavi alloves to have several views to one action, but i would keep them separate if i were you
19:01 < MrJeep> I have yet another question.. what's execution order of execute(), executeRead, executeWrite and validate*()
19:03 < MrJeep> i mean, if I have the execute function, will executeRead and executeWrite will be executed ?
19:03 < eremit> only the first match
19:04 < eremit> e.g. executeWrite, executeRead, execute is the order
19:04 < eremit> this is not really correct, because agavi determines it another way, but the result is the same
19:04 < MrJeep> ok
19:05 < eremit> it's more logic like use execute if POST and no method executeWrite is found, use execute if GET and no method executeRead is found ...
19:06 < MrJeep> ok i see
19:06 < MrJeep> thankx
19:07 < MrJeep> anyone know if it's possible to get the module's title via AgaviConfig ?
19:43 < MrJeep> jeez, I can't user hte or ç tag in any xml files :S
19:50 < eremit> yes ... that was a point i was complaining about too ...
19:50 < eremit> and womberts answer was ... use utf-8 and no tags ...
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19:55 < MrJeep> :S
20:20 < MrJeep> eremit, have you ever used an action chain to get the result of a module and put it into a template variable ?
20:31 < MrJeep> hum, problem here
20:31 < MrJeep> i can't use $controller->forward() anymore, I have an exception : "or security reasons, Request Parameters cannot be accessed directly. ..."
20:35 < raidman> MrJeep, action chain in agavi?!
20:36 < raidman> or mojavi?
20:36 < MrJeep> raidman, I imported the action into agavi from mojavi
20:37 < raidman> then you should convert your action chains to decorator an decoration...
20:37 < raidman> and*
20:39 < MrJeep> I don't think they are doing the same thing
20:39 < MrJeep> because, if I understand, with decorators, you only have the "content" variable
20:39 < raidman> no, you can have slots too
20:40 < MrJeep> lets say I have a new page which display a given new and the last news from the author
20:40 < raidman> $content is content of current module::action
20:40 < MrJeep> I make a simple module which only display the news from the author part
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20:41 < raidman> v-dogg, wb :)
20:41 < v-dogg> evening
20:41 < raidman> evening
20:41 < v-dogg> what's up
20:41 < MrJeep> and, on my news module'S template, I display the new and the news from the author
20:41 < MrJeep> another example
20:42 < MrJeep> www.pokeramateurleagues.com
20:42 < MrJeep> the Default module is decorated
20:42 < MrJeep> decorated with my "global layout" decorator
20:42 < MrJeep> but on this page, I also want to display my news module, ads module ...
20:42 < raidman> v-dogg, nothing, but I have a news, I'll start a new project with agavi very soon :)
20:43 < raidman> MrJeep, I see...
20:43 < MrJeep> I don't know if you understand what I mean...
20:43 < raidman> MrJeep, you know you should do it with decorator
20:43 < MrJeep> I use decorators for my global layouts
20:44 < MrJeep> banner and stuff
20:44 < MrJeep> my problem is, I want to display slot inside the $content variable
20:44 < raidman> oh I got now
20:44 < MrJeep> is that possible
20:45 < raidman> somthin like multi layer decorator
20:45 < MrJeep> exacly
20:45 < raidman> v-dogg, is it possible?
20:45 < v-dogg> unfortunately no
20:45 < raidman> MrJeep, I thing you should write another view that extends agavi view
20:45 < MrJeep> allready done
20:46 < v-dogg> be right back ->
20:46 < MrJeep> I have my defaultView which setup the decorator and everything
20:47 < raidman> I have a ugly code for this situation for mojavi in PHP4 ..... wait...
20:47 < MrJeep> ok
20:47 < MrJeep> well, I plan to use the action chain again. or something similar. Maybe implement it in the view
20:47 < MrJeep> but the place which fails is on the forward method
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20:49 < raidman> then I'm not sure my code could be usefull, but just take a look at that...
20:49 < raidman> http://osc-dev.opensourceclub.ir/browser/trunk/webapp/engine/view/OSC_View.class.php
20:50 < MrJeepLaptop> I sure will
20:50 < raidman> se I have a decorator function and another one *decorateBlocks*
20:51 < raidman> decorateBlocks will decorate ads, etc
20:51 < MrJeepLaptop> i see
20:51 < MrJeepLaptop> however, I think this code would have the same problem I have
20:51 < raidman> exactly
20:52 < MrJeepLaptop> try the current agavi version and try this : $this->getContext()->getController()->redirect(...)
20:52 < raidman> this code is part of a CMS
20:52 < MrJeepLaptop> it will display an exception
20:52 < MrJeepLaptop> something about the request parameters not begin safe
20:52 < MrJeepLaptop> err
20:52 < MrJeepLaptop> not redirect
20:52 < MrJeepLaptop> but forward
20:53 < MrJeepLaptop> the web request parameters are locked so it display an exeption
20:53 < raidman> yes
20:54 < raidman> you right
20:54 < MrJeepLaptop> hehe, well, how can I use the forward method now is the big "?"
20:58 < MrJeepLaptop> :S
20:58 < raidman> did you search log files?
20:58 < MrJeepLaptop> good idea... no i did not
21:05 < MrJeepLaptop> didnt find anything good
21:07 < raidman> oh, sorry... I'll start a new project with agavi. I don't have any experience with agavi, but I know your problem is mine
21:07 < raidman> I'll program a wiki with agavi
21:08 < splatch`> hello
21:08 < raidman> splatch`, hi :)
21:08 < raidman> splatch`, what's up?
21:09 < splatch`> raidman: just another autumn evening when i coding some stuff ;)
21:09 < raidman> :)
21:10 < splatch`> raidman: and you? :]
21:10 * splatch` tea*
21:10 < raidman> I'm know just checking agavi src
21:11 < raidman> now
21:11 < splatch`> hehe, they're works, works fine ;)
21:12 < v-dogg> MrJeepLaptop: you forward by returning array('Module', 'Action' [, parameters]) from View::execute
21:13 < raidman> splatch`, I know :)
21:14 < MrJeepLaptop> :s
21:16 < MrJeepLaptop> .. i guess I need to rethink a way to make a multi-layer decorator...
21:16 < MrJeepLaptop> my old action chain won't work anymore, anyhow
21:17 < v-dogg> or rethink the whole thing and get rid of multi-layer decorators
21:19 < MrJeepLaptop> I don't think using a single "decorator" is a good way
21:19 < MrJeepLaptop> I currently have a lot of "block" modules
21:19 < MrJeepLaptop> and they are really usefull
21:20 < MrJeepLaptop> you would put all those block modules into the same thing ?
21:21 < MrJeepLaptop> and copy pasting everything when you need it ? i.e. a news module which is displayed into a lot of pages
21:21 < MrJeepLaptop> copy paste the module into each pages ?
21:21 < MrJeepLaptop> doesn't seem right
21:23 < v-dogg> I would have 1-n (where 1 < n < ~5) master templates with conditional slots
21:24 < raidman> then you have a master action too?
21:24 < v-dogg> <?php if(isset($slot['news']): ?> newsnewsnewsnews: <?= $slot['news']; ?> <?php endif; ?>
21:24 < MrJeepLaptop> however, how would you put a slot inside the $template['content'] variable
21:24 < v-dogg> you wouldn't
21:25 < MrJeepLaptop> sounds pretty messy
21:26 < v-dogg> I don't know your situation that well, but I'd say less messy than multi-level decorators
21:26 < MrJeepLaptop> with the last version of agavi
21:26 < MrJeepLaptop> i had an ActionChain, imported from Mojavi
21:26 < v-dogg> M2?
21:27 < MrJeepLaptop> yeah
21:27 < MrJeepLaptop> $chain->register('module', 'action', params...);
21:27 < MrJeepLaptop> $chain->execute($context);
21:27 < MrJeepLaptop> then
21:27 < MrJeepLaptop> $this->setAttribute('mymodule', $chain->fetch('module'));
21:27 < MrJeepLaptop> pretty clean
21:28 < v-dogg> I can't see why you couldn't do this with one master template with conditional slots
21:29 < v-dogg> you would just set the slots you want to be shown in view
21:30 < v-dogg> plus you'd be able to add a presentation layer for, say, xml-rpc that wouldn't get decorated
21:30 < MrJeepLaptop> i just don't think it would work
21:30 < MrJeepLaptop> I use decorators for my site layout
21:30 < MrJeepLaptop> the banner, the login box, the adds, stuff that are displayed on every page
21:30 < MrJeepLaptop> take a look, www.pokeramateurleagues.com
21:31 < MrJeepLaptop> the login box, the adds, the banner, navigation.. this is my decorator with the slots
21:31 < MrJeepLaptop> the news, the games and the results are Block modules and they are displayed in the Default module, which is decorated allready
21:32 < MrJeepLaptop> I don't know how I could use more than 1 decorator on a view
21:32 < v-dogg> the more I think about this (and now that I'
21:32 < v-dogg> (err)
21:33 < v-dogg> ..now that I've seen you site) the more convinced I am that this would be an easy task using normal agavi features
21:34 < MrJeepLaptop> hehe, I wish it could be
21:34 < MrJeepLaptop> maybe I just don't understand the Decorator well
21:34 < MrJeepLaptop> I have 4 View classes extended from the main AgaviView
21:34 < MrJeepLaptop> DefaultView uses this decorator
21:34 < MrJeepLaptop> MessageView which use another decorator
21:35 < MrJeepLaptop> ConfirmView
21:35 < MrJeepLaptop> BlankView used for Block module
21:36 < MrJeepLaptop> then my action is extended from one of those view
21:36 < MrJeepLaptop> the proper decorator is used and the content is placed in the middle
21:37 < v-dogg> take http://www.pokeramateurleagues.com/index.php?module=News_Index for example
21:37 < MrJeepLaptop> Whenever I see there is a module, or some stuff in a module I could use more than once, I make it a BlockModule
21:37 < MrJeepLaptop> yhea, those are 2 block module
21:37 < MrJeepLaptop> the Lastest news and the news list
21:38 < v-dogg> let me tell how I'd do that page with agavi
21:38 < MrJeepLaptop> ok
21:39 < v-dogg> action Index in module News is called, it load four news items and some archived news, returns 'Success'
21:41 < v-dogg> IndexSuccessView loads master template with conditional slots for login form, poll, menus and adds and sets those using $this->setSlot('mainmenu', 'Default', 'MainMenu');, $this->setSlot('loginform', 'Default', 'LoginForm') and so on;
21:42 < v-dogg> the master template can also have slots for some thing else but as you don't set them, they aren't showed
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21:42 < v-dogg> then the view set the actual template that shows the news
21:42 < v-dogg> and that's it
21:42 < v-dogg> not even extending AgaviView is needed
21:44 < MrJeepLaptop> don't you think there is a lot of code which will be copy / pasted on a large scale project programmed this way ?
21:44 < MrJeepLaptop> on the main page, I need to load all those slots again
21:44 < MrJeepLaptop> plus loading the lastest headlines
21:44 < v-dogg> the main page can use the same master template!
21:44 < v-dogg> all pages can
21:45 < v-dogg> and there's more! (wait a sec, I'm a slow writer when I'm writing English :)
21:45 < MrJeepLaptop> it's ok
21:46 < v-dogg> the beuty of all this really shows when you add another presentation to your app. lets take xml-rpc for an example. your xml-rpc client (another website, desktop clien, whatever) can request the news index (four most recent news)
21:47 < v-dogg> it can call the very same action (News.Index)
21:47 < v-dogg> you just tell agavi not to decorate for xmp-rpc output, and it won't
21:47 < v-dogg> write a simple xml template for listing the news and you are done
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21:48 < v-dogg> Wombert to the rescue!
21:48 < raidman> illusina has a method for this problem (I mean copy/paste)
21:48 < raidman> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Mojavi_3_Book/Tutorials/Decorator_Profiling
21:49 < v-dogg> Wombert: read the last 25 mins of the back log and help me out here :)
21:49 < raidman> MrJeep, It is a method for reusing decorator stufff....
21:49 < MrJeepLaptop> hehe
21:50 < raidman> I'm not sure this is right or not
21:50 < raidman> Wombert, wb :)
21:50 < MrJeepLaptop> well, I could use my old ActionChain, however, when I try to use the forward method, I have an exception...
21:50 < MrJeepLaptop> this is, i think, my problem
21:51 < raidman> v-dogg, what you think about that Decorator_Profiling?
21:52 < v-dogg> hm... not sure
21:53 < Wombert> re
21:53 < Wombert> will do, but I don't feel very well
21:53 < Wombert> give me some more time
21:53 < MrJeepLaptop> i'll be right back
21:54 < v-dogg> MrJeepLaptop: there are issues with current decorator/slot scheme but I think you still can easily accomplish what you need for now
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21:59 < raidman> !hugs armen
21:59 * AgaviBot hugs raidman
22:00 < raidman> !hugs Armen Bghumian
22:00 * AgaviBot hugs raidman
22:00 < Wombert> !hug Armen
22:00 * AgaviBot hugs Armen
22:00 < raidman> o
22:00 < raidman> !hug Armen Bghumian
22:00 * AgaviBot hugs Armen
22:00 < raidman> !hug AgaviBot
22:00 * AgaviBot hugs AgaviBot
22:00 < raidman> :)
22:04 < v-dogg> come on now lads, lets not overdo it (again :)
22:07 < raidman> :P
22:09 * splatch` order new notebook
22:10 * Whisller is listening to 22. Chlopcy z Placu Broni - Kocham Wolnosc
22:10 < Whisller> great song
22:11 < Whisller> :]
22:11 < splatch`> Whisller: really, i never heard it ;)
22:11 < Whisller> pff
22:11 < Whisller> you don't know what is good
22:12 < splatch`> Whisller: that's only music, you can took that
22:12 < raidman> Shhhhhhhh! I'm listening to [Tatu - Gomenasai] length[3:42]
22:12 < splatch`> umc umc
22:13 < splatch`> raidman: tatu roxx :)
22:13 < Whisller> tatu... O.o
22:13 < raidman> splatch`, yeah :)
22:15 < Whisller> I also like tatu...two girls and I between them :D
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22:17 < raidman> Whisller, lol
22:17 < raidman> Whisller, err, me not you >:(
22:17 < splatch`> Whisller: yes, i see that too, two girls and you between.. with teddy-bear ;)
22:17 < raidman> lol
22:17 < Whisller> pfff
22:17 < Whisller> :)
22:18 < splatch`> Whisller: clean up you monitor ;)
22:18 < Whisller> hehe
22:19 < Wombert> behave guys :p
22:19 * Whisller to dreaming.....where are my tatu....
22:20 < Wombert> MrJeep: good catch there with the response!
22:20 < Wombert> I'll fix that
22:20 < splatch`> Whisller: haha, that only dreams ;)
22:20 < Whisller> sorry if I "breaking" english ....
22:20 < Whisller> splatch`, hehe
22:21 < splatch`> yes, we're sorry!
22:21 < Whisller> but you can speaking in polish :D this will by nice ;)
22:21 < splatch`> no tak, zapomialem o tym ;)
22:22 < Wombert> MrJeep: you can simply type utf-8 in your config files
22:22 < Whisller> :)
22:22 < splatch`> [oh, yes, I forgot about this]
22:22 < splatch`> ok, i must back to work
22:22 < Wombert> if you don't want to use utf-8, set the encoding (e.g. iso-8859-1) in the xml prolog
22:22 < Wombert> agavi will then convert the encodings
22:24 < Wombert> raidman: kaos (Dominik) wrote a very simple wiki with agavi in about 30 minutes the other day
22:25 < Wombert> hmm
22:25 < raidman> really
22:25 < Wombert> I believe we _could_ make the slots available in the content template
22:26 < Wombert> re, v-dogg
22:27 < v-dogg> hey mate
22:27 < v-dogg> feeling any better?
22:27 < Wombert> mmh
22:27 < Wombert> a bit, yes
22:27 < Wombert> I woke up with a huuuuge headache this morning
22:27 < Wombert> and didn't get out of bed and take a painkiller
22:28 < Wombert> I woke up at 5pm or so then
22:28 < Wombert> with the worst headache I ever had in my life
22:28 < Wombert> and some sort of migraine I think because my stomach needed to be emptied several times
22:28 < raidman> :(
22:28 < Wombert> dude was I fucked up...
22:28 < Wombert> but I'm a lot better now, yeah
22:28 < Wombert> just gotta start it slow
22:29 < Wombert> btw, xmlrpc doesn't need templates
22:29 < Wombert> you simply set data in the response
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22:30 < raidman> btw, my wiki will be completly WYSIWYG, it will convert HTML directlly to Wiki markup, it will be powerd by lots of feature in agavi
22:32 < raidman> It will have anti spam, a User management with agavi role based access control stuff....
22:32 < Wombert> btw
22:32 < Wombert> the agavi.org server has a faulty harddrive
22:32 < Wombert> we don't wanna risk restarting it or anything right now, it wouldn't boot again
22:32 < Wombert> tons of bad blocks
22:32 < Wombert> I'll try to get a replacement tomorrow
22:32 < Wombert> but yes, we have full backups
22:35 < v-dogg> the dog and and then to bed
22:36 < v-dogg> Wombert: I have a shit load of work to do so I'll be working sat-sun
22:36 < v-dogg> can't help you too much with the release but will be on-line and available for small tasks
22:36 < Wombert> okay :)
22:37 < v-dogg> I have to get two projects done by monday morning...
22:38 < v-dogg> already warned missus and she wasn't happy at all
22:38 < splatch`> Wombert: you need an account? ;)
22:38 < Wombert> hey man, no problem! :)
22:38 < Wombert> splatch`: ?
22:38 < splatch`> "tons of bad blocks", i can give account you, on server in france ;)
22:39 < MrJeep> back
22:39 < MrJeep> ok
22:39 < Wombert> splatch`: thanks for the offer, but that wouldn't help much ;)
22:39 < MrJeep> I've been thinking, would it be nice to add a "setInnerSlot" method to the view ?
22:39 < splatch`> Wombert: you remember the end of M4? ;)
22:39 < MrJeep> to assigne a slot in the module template
22:40 < Wombert> yes, splatch`, but we have backups ;)
22:40 < splatch`> Wombert: ach, right ;)
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22:41 * splatch` *work
22:46 < MrJeep> "<Wombert> I believe we _could_ make the slots available in the content template" -> that would be great
22:46 < MrJeep> using block module saves a lot of development time
22:48 < MrJeep> and makes everything a lot more clean
22:54 < MrJeep> splatch`: So M4 is officially dead ?
22:54 < Wombert> yep it is
22:54 < MrJeep> :(
22:55 < Wombert> why?
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22:55 < Wombert> there's agavi :)
22:57 < MrJeep> hehe
22:58 < MrJeep> well, I hope you'll add the slots variables into the content :D
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